ltsp local apps + nat + ....

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Scott Balneaves<sbalneav at legalaid.mb.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:29:30PM -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote:
>
> The nat services are only required when running LTSP as a localapp, which is
> pretty much a new feature for Jaunty.
>
> Besides, go take a look at the old LTSP 4.2 wiki.  At least you don't have to
> re-compile kernels anymore :D

I'm not sure if you realize that with the K12LTSP, turning on NAT for
non-clients on a LAN was initially a matter of chkconfig xxxx on, and
later it was just automagic.  I know because I still deploy and
support Centos-based K12LTSP installations where the hardware profile
is old.  I use DRBL for newer hardware.  I am preparing to re-engage
Debian-Edu which, thanks to your explanations, is now the foundation
of the work Edubuntu.

>
>> Please consider changing the description of this project on the Users
>> mailing list until it becomes what it claims.  Until then, you are
>> damaging the good work that is already there and to which many are
>> pleasantly contributing.
>
> Not quite sure how to take this.  If the implication is that you perceive I'm
> damaging the project, then my apologies.  I'm simply passionate about this
> project, LTSP, and Linux in general, and calling the shots as I see them.
>
> All I'm saying is we need more help to accomplish the goals we'd like meet.  If
> you, or anyone else can point to anything I've posted on this thread, or
> indeed, any thread dating back to the beginning of edubuntu-devel,
> edubuntu-users, ltsp-discuss, or any of the other lists I'm involved with that
> I've actively been involved with that's been derogatory, or mean spirited, then
> I'll apologise for it.  And if you've mis-interpreted my passion for this as
> hectoring, I apologise for that too.
>
> But I beleive in this project.  It's accomplished some pretty cool things, and
> I want it to accomplish so much more.

You, Scott, are a brave and noble man to take ownership of "you".
Your commitment to the LTSP's success is beyond commendable, and you
must know how much I and certainly thousands of others appreciate it.
I truly do.  "You" is a terrible term for me to use in these
impassioned discussions because it can be both singular and plural.
It could be easily be read as you (Scott) when I mean you (amorphous
edubuntu entity/community).

Unless you alone made all these decisions, my use of "you" is more in
the plural and aimed towards that early collection of decisions not
only *not* to build upon Debian-Edu, at that time called Skolelinux,
but also to replace LTSP 4.2 with LTSP 5 between the Edubuntu 7.04.
and 7.10 releases.  It was, as we all know, a huge nightmare.  It's
great that things have changed.

There is no doubt that your work on the LTSP 4.2 and LTSP 5 will
resonate for years to come.  This is clear.  I just have a
single-minded focus on the end-user at times, and I have worried, and
expressed so, that the glorious light always shone by *buntu has
suffered here in the mud of making Edubuntu as automagic and as easy
as its promise.

Given the new hand-in-hand collaboration with Debian-Edu, I know that
it will be easier to focus on the features and distinctions that have
always made *buntu releases appealing.  Obviously there is a lot more
room for "we" in our future discussions.  I think most of these
stresses have been the function of unrealistic expectations.  Take
this out of the equation, and you've got a bunch of people who like
working on something together and are eager to see it succeed.

>
> Cheers,
> Scott

Aloha

--scott