edubuntu-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 10
David Groos
djgroos at gmail.com
Mon May 17 23:17:35 BST 2010
Hi Jordan,
I always wondered how useful that manual is since software and
hardware are always evolving. Do you have a sense of this? I don't
have the technical knowledge to confidently judge this. Which
sections might be better? Which to avoid?
Thanks,
David
On May 17, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Jordan Erickson wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Paper size for printing would be handled in CUPS configuration for
> each
> printer you have. Keyboard layout is normallly handled by the lts.conf
> option "XKBDLAYOUT" (see page 51 of the LTSP manual available at:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp/files/Docs-Admin-Guide/
> LTSPManual.pdf/download
> )
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Jordan
>
>
>
> On 05/16/2010 11:28 PM, ps wrote:
>> Hello - How can I set a global configuration (e.g. paper size,
>> area-specific keyboard layout, etc.)?
>>
>> Any hint is appreciated!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> edubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:17:47 +0300
>>> From: ps <ps at gedec.org>
>>> Subject: Re: edubuntu-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 9
>>> To: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>
>>> Dear List
>>>
>>> About 10.04 ltsp, I wrote a while ago about the problembut so far
>>> there
>>> was response that would help in any way. However, I found that if
>>> you
>>> nstall 9.10 and then upgradeto 10.04 ltsp at least tries to work by
>>> giving thin client an ip address but no image. It seems that
>>> there is no
>>> tc image ready and you have to create it first and place it in the
>>> correct folder. Then it should work.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> edubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: ltsp-gui (Peter)
>>>> 2. Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages? (David Groos)
>>>> 3. Re: ltsp-gui (dbclinton)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:27:42 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Peter <mittwit at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui
>>>> To: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> Message-ID: <loom.20100515T131136-699 at post.gmane.org>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people
>>>>> just as
>>>>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider
>>>>> than just
>>>>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under
>>>>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session (and it
>>>>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live
>>>>> CD) I saw
>>>>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the
>>>>> menu item
>>>>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my
>>>>> configurations
>>>>> from the live CD session).
>>>>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and
>>>>> played
>>>>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo
>>>>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.
>>>>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past installs,
>>>>> but I am
>>>>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and
>>>> had clients
>>>> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to
>>>> find I had to
>>>> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed edu
>>>> 10.04 on my
>>>> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a
>>>> script somewhere
>>>> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat
>>>> clients and want to
>>>> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the
>>>> same way as before
>>>> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just
>>>> try and see what
>>>> happens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:42:32 -0500
>>>> From: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages?
>>>> To: Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: edubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-education
>>>> <ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com>, Edubuntu Users Group
>>>> <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <AANLkTik8NMyqau8XNKWU3zYENPEHHDq8ftfWVFhxlCqd at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Gavin and Sim?n thanks for your offers to help me write some good
>>>> pages--I'll take you up on all of it, starting with the iTALC.
>>>> Also, thanks
>>>> for the history--something which I think is important to
>>>> include, briefly,
>>>> in the wiki as well. Hopefully, others in the community with
>>>> additional
>>>> knowledge, both from a programming and implementation-
>>>> perspective, will
>>>> chime in as needed.
>>>>
>>>> For starters, it would be a great time-saver on my part if
>>>> people would
>>>> direct me to good reference articles on iTALC for Ubuntu (I know
>>>> it's used
>>>> with Windows as well but I'm not focusing on that). I of course
>>>> could do a
>>>> google search on iTALC (done it many times, actually), however,
>>>> I don't know
>>>> what is outdated or applies to the areas of interest. The info
>>>> I'm looking
>>>> for is:
>>>> --History of the project
>>>> --Accuracy of the ubuntu page on italc (it says it is only good
>>>> for Hardy)
>>>> --Differences between versions for Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid
>>>> (I'll be
>>>> focusing on Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid)
>>>> --Successful applications of iTALC
>>>> --CURRENT issues--limitations--with iTALC.
>>>> --Theory on iTALC.
>>>>
>>>> Any favorite links or mini-lessons would be much appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> PS--Sounds like we need a tutorial on installing Edubuntu/LTSP
>>>> from recent
>>>> list-server e-mails--it's not that people are dumb, it's that
>>>> wiki pages
>>>> need improving!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Sim?n Ruiz
>>>> <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, David Groos
>>>>> <djgroos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just turned in my final last night for my statistics class
>>>>>> so can now
>>>>>> dedicate some more time to edubuntu, again, and, teaching will
>>>>>> be out for
>>>>>> the year in just about 4 weeks. Like many users of edubuntu,
>>>>>> I need help
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> install/upgrade/troubleshoot/fix things. One key resource for
>>>>>> self-help
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> the wiki. People have been working hard to improve it as a
>>>>>> whole. I'm
>>>>>> suggesting to choose maybe a dozen 'hot spots'--topics that
>>>>>> are critical
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> make edubuntu work in a school setting, and make great wiki
>>>>>> pages on
>>>>>>
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the work of
>>>>>> Gavin and his
>>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
>>>>>> ThinClientHowtoNAT page.
>>>>>>
>>>>> While
>>>>>
>>>>>> it is true that 3 other people have also improved that page,
>>>>>> Gavin made a
>>>>>> big effort to make sure this critical task was CLEARLY and
>>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>>> explained. There is no such thing as perfect but there is
>>>>>> excellent and
>>>>>> that page is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've spent I don't know how many hours battling iTALC and
>>>>>> alkisg has
>>>>>>
>>>>> spent
>>>>>
>>>>>> at least 2 or 3 hours trying to help me. He one time groaned
>>>>>> when I told
>>>>>> him that I had followed the directions on the wiki. These
>>>>>> might have
>>>>>>
>>>>> been
>>>>>
>>>>>> pretty good for Hardy, but I had Jaunty and just hoped it
>>>>>> would work; it
>>>>>> didn't, nor does it still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some possible 'sticky points'. There might be some
>>>>>> good wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>> pages
>>>>>
>>>>>> on them now, but when I first tackled these tasks, they were
>>>>>> lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They
>>>>>
>>>>>> are critical to many school setups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --iTALC setup
>>>>>> --Basic squid proxy setup
>>>>>> --Localapps setup
>>>>>> --Backup System
>>>>>> --using flash
>>>>>> --using java
>>>>>> --setting up file-sharing systems for one's classes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to understand iTALC and make it work. I would be more
>>>>>> than happy
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> polish this iTALC wiki page. I'll need mentoring, a lot at
>>>>>> the start,
>>>>>>
>>>>> but a
>>>>>
>>>>>> great wiki page saves time for everyone and helps edubuntu
>>>>>> users feel
>>>>>> confident. Is there anyone who knows iTALC that would serve
>>>>>> as my
>>>>>>
>>>>> technical
>>>>>
>>>>>> mentor on this wiki page? What would you add to or remove
>>>>>> from the list
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> sticky points?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I had quite a bit of experience with iTALC back in 2006, in
>>>>> fact the
>>>>> article I wrote back then on compiling iTALC from source for
>>>>> Dapper
>>>>> <
>>>>> http://indianalinux.blogspot.com/2007/02/howto-install-italc-
>>>>> from-source-on.html
>>>>>
>>>>> is still, according to Google Analytics, the single most visited
>>>>> article on my somewhat comatose blog.
>>>>>
>>>>> My big problem was simply that there weren't up to date iTALC
>>>>> packages
>>>>> for Ubuntu, and building from source gave me that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was working on just "normal" Desktops, though, so I have
>>>>> *absolutely* no experience with iTALC on LTSP. (no experience with
>>>>> LTSP yet, really)
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, I may be able to help if your questions are basically just
>>>>> iTALC-related. What problems are you having?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> David G
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sim?n R
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. Just in case you're unaware: iTALC 1.x development ground
>>>>> to a
>>>>> halt as the developer (a college student who codes in his free
>>>>> time)
>>>>> works on version 2.0. The latest version, 1.0.10, was just
>>>>> released
>>>>> after a couple of years break, and it pretty much just includes
>>>>> bug
>>>>> fixes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 23:37:42 -0400
>>>> From: dbclinton <dbclin at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui
>>>> To: Peter <mittwit at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> Message-ID: <1273981062.1820.11.camel at rishon>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Here's what I discovered about my problem:
>>>> My best guess is that ltsp failed to properly install (during
>>>> the actual
>>>> hard disk install process) because it couldn't get past my proxy
>>>> server.
>>>> Now, while in the live CD gui, I had configured my proxy info
>>>> including
>>>> authentication, but that information doesn't seem to have been
>>>> passed to
>>>> the actual installed system (I know that because I had to set it
>>>> again
>>>> once the install was done).
>>>> Here's what I did to install ltsp on the HD (thanks to the guys
>>>> a irc
>>>> #edubuntu - if you don't have a proxy server, ignore the "export
>>>> http..." line):
>>>> First:
>>>> use synaptic to install ltsp-server-standalone (NOT ltsp-server,
>>>> but
>>>> ltsp-server-standalone!)
>>>> Then, from terminal:
>>>> sudo -i
>>>> export
>>>> http_proxy=http://[yourproxyusername]:[proxypassword]@
>>>> [proxyipaddress]:[proxyport]/
>>>> ltsp-build-client
>>>> Good luck
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:27 +0000, Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people
>>>>>> just as
>>>>>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider
>>>>>> than just
>>>>>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under
>>>>>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session
>>>>>> (and it
>>>>>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live
>>>>>> CD) I saw
>>>>>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the
>>>>>> menu item
>>>>>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my
>>>>>> configurations
>>>>>> from the live CD session).
>>>>>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and
>>>>>> played
>>>>>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo
>>>>>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.
>>>>>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past
>>>>>> installs, but I am
>>>>>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and
>>>>> had clients
>>>>> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to
>>>>> find I had to
>>>>> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed
>>>>> edu 10.04 on my
>>>>> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a
>>>>> script somewhere
>>>>> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat
>>>>> clients and want to
>>>>> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the
>>>>> same way as before
>>>>> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just
>>>>> try and see what
>>>>> happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 16:37:40 -0500
>>> From: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: edubuntu-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 9
>>> To: ps <ps at gedec.org>
>>> Cc: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTinrRAybvsx4hmxg4wB8CFcb3C2rVnWr2Nk9ZFzv at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your continued effort at communicating your
>>> experiences with
>>> this. Personally, I've not yet gotten to try and install Lucid
>>> with LTSP
>>> and thus don't have much to say but, 'good luck!' :) Well
>>> actually I was
>>> working on it, got repeatedly stymied and have put it on the back
>>> burner
>>> till the school year is out and I've got more time to address it.
>>>
>>> Have you seen this
>>> page<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
>>> LTSPQuickInstall#Installing%20on%20top%20of%20an%20already%
>>> 20running%20desktop%20system>?
>>> It's not so easy to find but I've heard it's up to date with Lucid.
>>> This page <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP> is the
>>> mother-load
>>> of LTSP-related links... though of course of varying states of
>>> up-to-datedness.
>>>
>>> What has been your experience searching for needed info related to
>>> installing Lucid/Edubuntu?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:17 PM, ps <ps at gedec.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear List
>>>>
>>>> About 10.04 ltsp, I wrote a while ago about the problembut so
>>>> far there
>>>> was response that would help in any way. However, I found that
>>>> if you
>>>> nstall 9.10 and then upgradeto 10.04 ltsp at least tries to work by
>>>> giving thin client an ip address but no image. It seems that
>>>> there is no
>>>> tc image ready and you have to create it first and place it in the
>>>> correct folder. Then it should work.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> edubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>>>>> Send edubuntu-users mailing list submissions to
>>>>> edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>
>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>> edubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>
>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>> edubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>
>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>>>>> specific
>>>>> than "Re: Contents of edubuntu-users digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: ltsp-gui (Peter)
>>>>> 2. Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages? (David Groos)
>>>>> 3. Re: ltsp-gui (dbclinton)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:27:42 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: Peter <mittwit at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui
>>>>> To: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>> Message-ID: <loom.20100515T131136-699 at post.gmane.org>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people
>>>>>> just as
>>>>>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider
>>>>>> than just
>>>>>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under
>>>>>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session
>>>>>> (and it
>>>>>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live
>>>>>> CD) I saw
>>>>>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the
>>>>>> menu item
>>>>>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my
>>>>>> configurations
>>>>>> from the live CD session).
>>>>>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and
>>>>>> played
>>>>>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo
>>>>>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.
>>>>>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past
>>>>>> installs, but I am
>>>>>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and had
>>>> clients
>>>>> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to
>>>>> find I
>>>> had to
>>>>> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed
>>>>> edu 10.04 on
>>>> my
>>>>> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a
>>>>> script
>>>> somewhere
>>>>> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat
>>>>> clients and
>>>> want to
>>>>> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the
>>>>> same way as
>>>> before
>>>>> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just
>>>>> try and see
>>>> what
>>>>> happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:42:32 -0500
>>>>> From: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages?
>>>>> To: Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: edubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-education
>>>>> <ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com>, Edubuntu Users Group
>>>>> <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <AANLkTik8NMyqau8XNKWU3zYENPEHHDq8ftfWVFhxlCqd at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Gavin and Sim?n thanks for your offers to help me write some good
>>>>> pages--I'll take you up on all of it, starting with the iTALC.
>>>>> Also,
>>>> thanks
>>>>> for the history--something which I think is important to include,
>>>> briefly,
>>>>> in the wiki as well. Hopefully, others in the community with
>>>>> additional
>>>>> knowledge, both from a programming and implementation-
>>>>> perspective, will
>>>>> chime in as needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> For starters, it would be a great time-saver on my part if
>>>>> people would
>>>>> direct me to good reference articles on iTALC for Ubuntu (I
>>>>> know it's
>>>> used
>>>>> with Windows as well but I'm not focusing on that). I of
>>>>> course could do
>>>> a
>>>>> google search on iTALC (done it many times, actually), however,
>>>>> I don't
>>>> know
>>>>> what is outdated or applies to the areas of interest. The info
>>>>> I'm
>>>> looking
>>>>> for is:
>>>>> --History of the project
>>>>> --Accuracy of the ubuntu page on italc (it says it is only good
>>>>> for
>>>> Hardy)
>>>>> --Differences between versions for Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid
>>>>> (I'll be
>>>>> focusing on Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid)
>>>>> --Successful applications of iTALC
>>>>> --CURRENT issues--limitations--with iTALC.
>>>>> --Theory on iTALC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any favorite links or mini-lessons would be much appreciated!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> PS--Sounds like we need a tutorial on installing Edubuntu/LTSP
>>>>> from
>>>> recent
>>>>> list-server e-mails--it's not that people are dumb, it's that
>>>>> wiki pages
>>>>> need improving!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Sim?n Ruiz
>>>>> <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, David Groos
>>>>>> <djgroos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just turned in my final last night for my statistics class
>>>>>>> so can now
>>>>>>> dedicate some more time to edubuntu, again, and, teaching
>>>>>>> will be out
>>>> for
>>>>>>> the year in just about 4 weeks. Like many users of edubuntu,
>>>>>>> I need
>>>> help
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> install/upgrade/troubleshoot/fix things. One key resource for
>>>> self-help
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the wiki. People have been working hard to improve it as a
>>>>>>> whole. I'm
>>>>>>> suggesting to choose maybe a dozen 'hot spots'--topics that are
>>>> critical
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make edubuntu work in a school setting, and make great wiki
>>>>>>> pages on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the work of
>>>>>>> Gavin and
>>>> his
>>>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
>>>>>>> ThinClientHowtoNAT page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> While
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it is true that 3 other people have also improved that page,
>>>>>>> Gavin made
>>>> a
>>>>>>> big effort to make sure this critical task was CLEARLY and
>>>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>>>> explained. There is no such thing as perfect but there is
>>>>>>> excellent
>>>> and
>>>>>>> that page is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've spent I don't know how many hours battling iTALC and
>>>>>>> alkisg has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at least 2 or 3 hours trying to help me. He one time groaned
>>>>>>> when I
>>>> told
>>>>>>> him that I had followed the directions on the wiki. These
>>>>>>> might have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pretty good for Hardy, but I had Jaunty and just hoped it
>>>>>>> would work;
>>>> it
>>>>>>> didn't, nor does it still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are some possible 'sticky points'. There might be some
>>>>>>> good wiki
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on them now, but when I first tackled these tasks, they were
>>>>>>> lacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are critical to many school setups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --iTALC setup
>>>>>>> --Basic squid proxy setup
>>>>>>> --Localapps setup
>>>>>>> --Backup System
>>>>>>> --using flash
>>>>>>> --using java
>>>>>>> --setting up file-sharing systems for one's classes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to understand iTALC and make it work. I would be
>>>>>>> more than
>>>> happy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> polish this iTALC wiki page. I'll need mentoring, a lot at
>>>>>>> the start,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> great wiki page saves time for everyone and helps edubuntu
>>>>>>> users feel
>>>>>>> confident. Is there anyone who knows iTALC that would serve
>>>>>>> as my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> technical
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mentor on this wiki page? What would you add to or remove
>>>>>>> from the
>>>> list
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sticky points?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had quite a bit of experience with iTALC back in 2006, in
>>>>>> fact the
>>>>>> article I wrote back then on compiling iTALC from source for
>>>>>> Dapper
>>>>>> <
>>>>>>
>>>> http://indianalinux.blogspot.com/2007/02/howto-install-italc-
>>>> from-source-on.html
>>>>>> is still, according to Google Analytics, the single most visited
>>>>>> article on my somewhat comatose blog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My big problem was simply that there weren't up to date iTALC
>>>>>> packages
>>>>>> for Ubuntu, and building from source gave me that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was working on just "normal" Desktops, though, so I have
>>>>>> *absolutely* no experience with iTALC on LTSP. (no experience
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> LTSP yet, really)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, I may be able to help if your questions are basically just
>>>>>> iTALC-related. What problems are you having?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sim?n R
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Just in case you're unaware: iTALC 1.x development ground
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>> halt as the developer (a college student who codes in his free
>>>>>> time)
>>>>>> works on version 2.0. The latest version, 1.0.10, was just
>>>>>> released
>>>>>> after a couple of years break, and it pretty much just
>>>>>> includes bug
>>>>>> fixes.
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 23:37:42 -0400
>>>>> From: dbclinton <dbclin at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui
>>>>> To: Peter <mittwit at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>> Message-ID: <1273981062.1820.11.camel at rishon>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> Here's what I discovered about my problem:
>>>>> My best guess is that ltsp failed to properly install (during
>>>>> the actual
>>>>> hard disk install process) because it couldn't get past my
>>>>> proxy server.
>>>>> Now, while in the live CD gui, I had configured my proxy info
>>>>> including
>>>>> authentication, but that information doesn't seem to have been
>>>>> passed to
>>>>> the actual installed system (I know that because I had to set
>>>>> it again
>>>>> once the install was done).
>>>>> Here's what I did to install ltsp on the HD (thanks to the guys
>>>>> a irc
>>>>> #edubuntu - if you don't have a proxy server, ignore the "export
>>>>> http..." line):
>>>>> First:
>>>>> use synaptic to install ltsp-server-standalone (NOT ltsp-
>>>>> server, but
>>>>> ltsp-server-standalone!)
>>>>> Then, from terminal:
>>>>> sudo -i
>>>>> export
>>>>> http_proxy=http://
>>>> [yourproxyusername]:[proxypassword]@[proxyipaddress]:[proxyport]/
>>>>> ltsp-build-client
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:27 +0000, Peter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other
>>>>>>> people just as
>>>>>>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider
>>>>>>> than just
>>>>>>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under
>>>>>>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session
>>>>>>> (and it
>>>>>>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live
>>>>>>> CD) I saw
>>>>>>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the
>>>>>>> menu item
>>>>>>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my
>>>>>>> configurations
>>>>>>> from the live CD session).
>>>>>>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and
>>>>>>> played
>>>>>>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo
>>>>>>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.
>>>>>>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past
>>>>>>> installs, but I
>>>> am
>>>>>>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and
>>>>>> had
>>>> clients
>>>>>> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed
>>>>>> to find I
>>>> had to
>>>>>> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed
>>>>>> edu 10.04
>>>> on my
>>>>>> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a
>>>>>> script
>>>> somewhere
>>>>>> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat
>>>>>> clients and
>>>> want to
>>>>>> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the
>>>>>> same way
>>>> as before
>>>>>> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just
>>>>>> try and
>>>> see what
>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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