[Bug 1033226] Re: No close option, only restart

Fjodor sune at molgaard.org
Thu Feb 7 19:24:02 UTC 2013


Mathhew: I still can't thank you enough for actually working on this,
but I'm afraid I still disagree with some of the premises:

1) No update (except kernel if you aren't running ksplice) should
require a restart for it's own sake. dpkg does provide for restarting
daemons, in which case they will load the newly installed versions of
any shared libraries. This is OS 101 (at least before MS DLL Hell)

2) If we can't convince maintainers of packages that would benefit from
a restart *of the program* to do a micro-version release that restarts
it (which we probably can in the vast majority of cases), display a list
of daemons that would benefit from a restart.

3) Whereas I'll commend you for your own 2), 4), and 5),  in the comment
above, I still believe that:

A) Only kernel upgrades are actually valid reasons to reboot (if you
require the new kernel). Ksplice seems to alleviate that somewhat. The
premise for this assumption is that newly instantiated programs will
pick the newest of the available libraries (unless their programmers
came from MS land).

B) In re A), there still isn't a valid use case for replicating MS
behaviour such as requiring reboots on a whim, when restarting the
relevant programs will suffice.

C) What I'm describing here is the actual behaviour (and modus operandi)
for most of the APT system, so I still have a hard time figuring out why
anyone would want to, unnecessarily, replicate one of the most hated
-bugs- / "features" of Windows...

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Title:
  No close option, only restart

Status in “update-manager” package in Ubuntu:
  Triaged

Bug description:
  The latest updates to "software updater" in 12.10 has only given one
  option in the pop up after installing updates and that is to restart,
  where is my restart later or close option?

  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Launching_automatically>:
  "Software Updater should launch automatically ... when ... security
  updates require a restart to finish installing, and it has been at
  least 24 hours since you were told about this; or ... non-security
  updates require a restart to finish installing, and the “When there
  are other updates” interval has passed since Software Updater was last
  open (either automatically or manually)."

  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#restart>: "If no updates are
  installable, but a restart is required to finish installing previous
  updates, a “Software Updater” alert should appear, with text “This
  computer needs to restart to finish installing updates”, and
  “Settings…”, “Restart Later” and “Restart Now…” buttons."

  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#alert>: "If appropriate, the
  alert should have secondary text: “The computer also needs to restart
  to finish installing previous updates.”"

  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#After_installing>: "After
  installing, Software Updater should behave as if it has just finished
  a manual check for updates ... whether it be showing updates that
  remain uninstallable, showing that a restart is required, showing both
  at once, or showing that everything is up to date."

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