About bootstrap server , size and dedicate or share it for applications or not

[Vahric Muhtaryan]

Hello Mark 

:) Actually I think that instead of install bootstrap server and client
separately , in cloud, deploy an Ubuntu Desktop and access it with VNC :)

Maybe we can provide image base backup solution for customer to keep
single juju bootstrap server, I guess juju bootstrap server could be down
and if no need deploy additional thing or update something, all deployed
services should be run , isn¹t it ? Or bootstrap always should be up ?

Thanks for your answers
Take a care
VM

On 15/01/15 15:37, "Mark Shuttleworth" <mark at ubuntu.com> wrote:

>On 15/01/15 15:25, Vahric Muhtaryan wrote:
>> I m so new to juju and try to learn it.
>> We are cloud provider and we would like to push our customers use it .
>
>Welcome!
>
>> My question is a bootstrap server is need but this means additional
>>resource
>> is needed , means customer need to pay more
>>
>> What is not clear for me , what is the min or recommended bootstrap
>>server
>> config ? 
>
>
>The next version of Juju should support using the same Juju server
>("bootstrap") for many environments. So, on a single Juju server you can
>have many environments. So you only need one Juju server, or you might
>want one Juju server per customer.
>
>The other thing to consider is high availability. Juju supports HA
>today, which means you can tell it to use 3 servers and if one fails
>everything keeps running, with a spare just in case.
>
>So, a typical high-end configuration will be 3xHA Juju systems per
>customer, which will serve all their environments.
>
>
>> Also if customer want to use bootstrap server as a service node , for
>> example install apache on it , is it allowed ? And recommended or not ?
>
>Yes, we do this quite a lot for dense OpenStack deployments. The Juju
>server itself is not very busy for a single environment of typical scale.
>
>> One more , if I have ubuntu desktop and juju-core installed, can I also
>>use
>> ubuntu desktop as a bootstrap server ?
>
>Yes, but don't walk out the door with it on your laptop :)
>
>Mark
>