[Bug 173267] Re: Kernel ACL support for NFS/CIFS in 8.04?

[Axel Pospischil]

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
- affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. And it affects both the
- NFSv3/v4 and the CIFS(samba) network file system support of the ubuntu
- kernel and user tools (get/setfacl - nfs4-acl-tools, see [3]).
+ affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. It is both, a bug for the
+ former 6.06 LTS, the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
+ LTS).
  
- It is both, a bug for the former 6.06 LTS, the actual gutsy and a
- wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04 LTS).
- 
- I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
- links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
+ It affects both the NFSv3/v4 and the CIFS(samba) network file system
+ support for ACL's of the ubuntu kernel and user tools - accordingly
+ patched get/setfacl - lacking of nfs4-acl-tools, see [3].
  
  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem
  is, if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with
  acl out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL
  support came for SMB (see [4] page 133). So the kernel must be major and
  the tools exist.
  
  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour and user tools, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the
  official side (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on
  giving a solution to both client and server's side.
  
- [4] (see links below) gives a very excellent and detailed view of the
- actual state in NFS/CIFS linux development.
+ I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information. I also filed a Bug #173324 (Will nfs4-acl-tools bei in 8.04?).
+ [4] (see links below) gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in NFS/CIFS linux development.
  
  Conclusion:
  
  1. With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
- NFS/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide - and
- ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should not
- be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.
+ NFS/SMB(2)/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide -
+ and ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should
+ not be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.
  
  2. One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers
  are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs and handle acl's
  properly.
  
  Sincerely yours Axel
  
  Links:
  >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
  >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
  affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. It is both, a bug for the
  former 6.06 LTS, the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
  LTS).
  
  It affects both the NFSv3/v4 and the CIFS(samba) network file system
  support for ACL's of the ubuntu kernel and user tools - accordingly
  patched get/setfacl - lacking of nfs4-acl-tools, see [3].
  
  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem
  is, if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with
  acl out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL
  support came for SMB (see [4] page 133). So the kernel must be major and
  the tools exist.
  
  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour and user tools, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the
  official side (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on
  giving a solution to both client and server's side.
  
- I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information. I also filed a Bug #173324 (Will nfs4-acl-tools bei in 8.04?).
- [4] (see links below) gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in NFS/CIFS linux development.
+ I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
+ links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
+ I also filed a Bug #173324 (Will nfs4-acl-tools bei in 8.04?).
  
  Conclusion:
  
  1. With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
  NFS/SMB(2)/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide -
  and ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should
  not be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.
  
  2. One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers
  are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs and handle acl's
  properly.
  
  Sincerely yours Axel
  
  Links:
- >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
+ >> [4] gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in NFS/CIFS linux development.
+ 
+ [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
- >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
+ [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

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Kernel ACL support for NFS/CIFS in 8.04?
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