From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Fri Dec 1 14:40:53 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:40:53 -0300 Subject: Mouse problem Message-ID: <200612011140.53592.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> After over two weeks of efforts I have finally finished downloading the Kubuntu DVD .iso, and burned it. First problem: I booted the live CD, and the mouse does not work. Now, this is a bog-standard serial two-buttons mouse. What could be wrong ? TIA, Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River.. -- Gli nomini si debbano o vezzeggiate o peguere; perche' si vendiciano delle leggieri offese, delle gravi non possono. -- Niccolo Machiavelli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Dec 1 15:39:38 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:39:38 -0700 Subject: USB printing Message-ID: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under Kubuntu or Ubuntu it seems that cups does not detect usb printers nor does anything else any suggestions? From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 16:35:18 2006 From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:35:18 -0800 Subject: USB printing In-Reply-To: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20061201083518.384d8ce6@rodney-desktop> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:39:38 -0700 "Grumpy" wrote: > I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under Kubuntu or Ubuntu > it seems that cups does not detect usb printers nor does anything else > any suggestions? > I have that printer sitting here right in front of me, and it works. You need to use their software to install it, and get it to work. I don't remember the link for their updated software, but that's what worked for me. -- Rodney D. Myers Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA, Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River.. -- Gli nomini si debbano o vezzeggiate o peguere; perche' si vendiciano delle leggieri offese, delle gravi non possono. -- Niccolo Machiavelli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From sob at iol.ie Fri Dec 1 17:58:40 2006 From: sob at iol.ie (=?UTF-8?B?U8OpYW1hcyDDkyBCcsOzZ8OhaW4=?=) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:58:40 +0000 Subject: Keyboard layouts Message-ID: <45706D50.2060501@iol.ie> I wonder whether anyone can help me with a problem concerning keyboard layouts (Kubuntu 6.10). My requirement is to have the left [alt] key (rather than the right) function as "AltGr". I've tried all the options offered in the KDE Control Centre > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Layout > Xkb Options, but none of them work. (Could the physical keyboard---an old generic 102-key keyboard---have a bearing on this?) The X11/xkb/symbols files are very complex, and I have failed in all attempts to find a reference for the syntax. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Séamas Ó Brógáin ---------------- From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sat Dec 2 01:40:13 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:40:13 -0700 Subject: USB printing In-Reply-To: <20061201083518.384d8ce6@rodney-desktop> References: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <20061201083518.384d8ce6@rodney-desktop> Message-ID: <200612011840.13166.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 01 December 2006 09:35, Rodney D. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:39:38 -0700 > > "Grumpy" wrote: > > I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under Kubuntu or > > Ubuntu it seems that cups does not detect usb printers nor does anything > > else any suggestions? > > I have that printer sitting here right in front of me, and it works. > > You need to use their software to install it, and get it to work. I > don't remember the link for their updated software, but that's what > worked for me. I used the script on their cd but I notice that the readme says that you have to already have a print system running if you use Debian or Kubuntu/Ubuntu From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Dec 1 20:48:31 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:48:31 -0500 Subject: USB printing In-Reply-To: <200612011840.13166.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <20061201083518.384d8ce6@rodney-desktop> <200612011840.13166.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200612011548.32005.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 01 December 2006 20:40, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: >On Friday 01 December 2006 09:35, Rodney D. Myers wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:39:38 -0700 >> >> "Grumpy" wrote: >> > I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under Kubuntu >> > or Ubuntu it seems that cups does not detect usb printers nor does >> > anything else any suggestions? >> >> I have that printer sitting here right in front of me, and it works. >> >> You need to use their software to install it, and get it to work. I >> don't remember the link for their updated software, but that's what >> worked for me. > >I used the script on their cd but I notice that the readme says that you > have to already have a print system running if you use Debian or > Kubuntu/Ubuntu Yes, and for some reason I haven't fathomed, the *buntu install doesn't add a client.conf file to /etc/cups, so one must be created before you can use a printer out on your local lan. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gismo at iol.ie Fri Dec 1 22:21:14 2006 From: gismo at iol.ie (Steve) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:21:14 +0000 Subject: USB printing In-Reply-To: <200612011548.32005.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612011840.13166.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612011548.32005.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200612012221.15055.gismo@iol.ie> > On Friday 01 December 2006 20:40, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > >> "Grumpy" wrote: > >> > I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under > >> > Kubuntu or Ubuntu it seems that cups does not detect usb > >> > printers nor does anything else any suggestions? Did you try: sudo foomatic-cleanupdrivers that worked for my ml1755 rgds steve From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Fri Dec 1 23:33:20 2006 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:33:20 -0700 Subject: Bookmark toolbar in Konqueror Message-ID: Is there a way to configure Konqueror so that the bookmark toolbar is always displayed when Konqueror starts? I tried saving the view profile, but I still get the toolbar only about half the time. -- Jeffrey Barish From hawkwind at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:41:32 2006 From: hawkwind at gmail.com (Cliff Wade) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:41:32 -0600 Subject: Bookmark toolbar in Konqueror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/1/06, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > > Is there a way to configure Konqueror so that the bookmark toolbar is > always > displayed when Konqueror starts? I tried saving the view profile, but I > still get the toolbar only about half the time. > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Save a custom profile and then start kfmclient openProfile and it works every time here. You can also do konqueror --profile and it will work. I have a profile of let's say 'everyday' that I use. I just start it with this: kfmclient openProfile everyday And my bookmarks toolbar is always present on startup. -- With kind regards, Cliff Wade (Hawkwind) Registered Linux User #362532 Registered Kubuntu User #331 http://seerofsouls.com http://linuxfordummies.org http://urpmi-addmedia.org IRC Channels (irc.freenode.net): #LFD #Kubuntu #Ulteo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xurxo13 at terra.es Sat Dec 2 00:55:08 2006 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:55:08 +0100 Subject: .Trash In-Reply-To: References: <200611300811.37409.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <1165020908.5535.2.camel@D4L> 2006-11-29 (水) の 13:22 -0700 に Dave さんは書きました: > Thanks David, > > I found the trash right where you said it was, and just in time too! ubuntu/gnome has trash in ~/.Trash... did you installeed ubuntu and the kubuntu-desktop? From dsterken at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 04:07:55 2006 From: dsterken at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:07:55 -0700 Subject: .Trash In-Reply-To: <1165020908.5535.2.camel@D4L> References: <200611300811.37409.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> <1165020908.5535.2.camel@D4L> Message-ID: Yes, I installed Ubuntu Breezy Badger, then installed kubuntu-desktop and then (later) upgraded to Dapper 6.06. I still have the ~/.Trash directory but my system no longer stores trash there, it now sends it to ~/.local/share/Trash. I am still curious why trash needs to be "shared" though. Any thoughts? On 12/1/06, Xurxo F. wrote: > > 2006-11-29 (水) の 13:22 -0700 に Dave さんは書きました: > > Thanks David, > > > > I found the trash right where you said it was, and just in time too! > > ubuntu/gnome has trash in ~/.Trash... did you installeed ubuntu and the > kubuntu-desktop? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Dave Sterken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sat Dec 2 06:02:51 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:02:51 -0700 Subject: .Trash In-Reply-To: References: <1165020908.5535.2.camel@D4L> Message-ID: <200612012302.51332.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 01 December 2006 21:07, Dave wrote: > Yes, I installed Ubuntu Breezy Badger, then installed kubuntu-desktop and > then (later) upgraded to Dapper 6.06. I still have the ~/.Trash directory > but my system no longer stores trash there, it now sends it to > ~/.local/share/Trash. > I am still curious why trash needs to be "shared" though. Any thoughts? It depends on who's trash it is ;-) From lists at ptfd.org Sat Dec 2 06:30:07 2006 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:30:07 -0500 Subject: Oracle Callander In-Reply-To: References: <200611202134.13725.lists@ptfd.org> <200611211442.23102.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200612020130.07225.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 08:08, Derek Broughton wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 November 2006 01:40, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >> On Tuesday 21 November 2006 12:58 am, Rob Blomquist wrote: > >> > What you need to do is figure out what package or packages will > >> > provide these libraries. I usually just google them, and all my google > >> > queries point to glibc as the package you want. > >> > >> It's complaining about fundamental core libraries that can't possibly be > >> missing. I know nothing about this "Oracle Callander" thing, but these > >> errors indicate a serious incompatibility between whatever this is and > >> the system he's trying to install it on. > >> > >> I don't have enough information to offer any further suggestions about > >> this particular whatever it is he's installing, and have no idea if it's > >> possible to hack around this rather serious stumbling block. > >> > >> I would bet it's a lost cause, but I'm a jaded, cynical pessimist. > > > > Could this be due to using sudo and not really running the script as > > root? > > No. sudo IS really running scripts as root. > > Much more likely, Calendar expects the libraries to be somewhere other than > the defaults on a Debian/Ubuntu system - you might need to play with > ldconfig. I finally solved this issue, (at least installation) by applying the info on teh following link to the file for ocal, http://www.zend.com/support/knowledgebase.php?kbid=184&view_only=1 The only remaining problem is that the linux client will not connect to teh server, it says it cannot reach teh server, even though the same version only windowes, running in vmware-player on teh same machine works fine?? Mike From alain.muls at telenet.be Sat Dec 2 08:58:02 2006 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:58:02 +0100 Subject: proxy settings Message-ID: <200612020958.02921.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I use py Dell at work and at home. At work, I need to specify a proxy, at home no proxy is used. I tried using the "autodetect proxy settings" feauture in kcontrol, but it does not detect the proxy at work and I cannot surf the web or use adept e.g., and at home I get regular messages that "no suitable proxy settings were detected", but I can still surf the net. I also use knetworkmanager (where are its configurationfiles??) to connect. This means that I cannot create a script (either in bashrc or in Autostart) that would define a global proxy settings, beacuse both script would be executed before knetworkmanger connects the interface. How should I proceed to define suitable settings according to my workplace? Tx Alain From linux_milano at yahoo.it Sat Dec 2 09:36:52 2006 From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (pol) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:36:52 +0100 Subject: icon positions Message-ID: <20061202093652.GA3422@finn> How to assign the area where to place icons on the desktop? I do not like icons of new media plugged in pop up on the left top corner. thank you -- Pol From xurxo13 at terra.es Sat Dec 2 10:45:04 2006 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: OT question number one: MS Outlook.... In-Reply-To: <200611301258.23235.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <00d901c713f0$dec54ee0$1700a8c0@Edicion5> <200611291942.15371.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <456E53D4.5000704@gmail.com> <200611301258.23235.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1165056304.5528.9.camel@D4L> > > >> Bookmarks: You can install Firefox in Windows ( after install FF import > > >> the bookmarks of IE). Later, you can export the bookmarks from FF. Or just export IE bookmarks to bookmark.htm file, then go to your mozilla-firefox folder, copy your bookmark.htm file and rename to bookmarks.html. > > >> > > >> Outlook: Copy thesse dirs to safe place: > > >> > > >> C:\Documents and Settings\your-user\Local Settings\Application > > >> Data\Microsoft\Outlook > > >> C:\Documents and Settings\your-user\Application Data\Microsoft\Address > > >> Book I havent had luck importing my address book to evolution. Thunderbird removes the "middle name" field and i dont like that. In kontact you can export your address book to csv file in outlook or Outlook express and then import To save all mail it might be a good idea to install thunderbird in windows and import, then move everything to linux. Windows thunderbird has a dll to import mail and addresses. From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Dec 2 12:11:28 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:11:28 +0000 Subject: .Trash In-Reply-To: References: <200611300811.37409.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> <1165020908.5535.2.camel@D4L> Message-ID: <45716D70.3060305@blueyonder.co.uk> Dave wrote: > Yes, I installed Ubuntu Breezy Badger, then installed kubuntu-desktop > and then (later) upgraded to Dapper 6.06. I still have the ~/.Trash > directory but my system no longer stores trash there, it now sends it > to ~/.local/share/Trash. I am still curious why trash needs to be > "shared" though. Any thoughts? > > -- > Dave Sterken The trash directory is not "shared" at all, in fact if you run: ls -ld .local/share/Trash/ you'll see that only the user that owns the directory, you, has any access to it at all. Tez From Chiphazard56 at aol.com Sat Dec 2 13:35:59 2006 From: Chiphazard56 at aol.com (Chiphazard56 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 08:35:59 EST Subject: apt-get Message-ID: hi all my on going problem rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction no such file or directory rm /var/lib/rpm/_db* no such file or directory rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock no such file or directory and i still can't update ,this is a fresh installation ??? chip hazard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Kubuntu Edgy, since yesterday, I think, when I open firefox, instead of going fullscreen, it only opens on the left half of the screen and I have to maximize it every time. I know this is low on the importance list, but it is starting to be a pain in the butt and I have no idea why it is being this way. Thanks! -Steven From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Dec 2 15:41:18 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:41:18 +0100 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 02 December 2006 16:07, Steven Pasternak wrote: > Hi! On Kubuntu Edgy, since yesterday, I think, when I open > firefox, instead of going fullscreen, it only opens on the left > half of the screen and I have to maximize it every time. I know > this is low on the importance list, but it is starting to be a > pain in the butt and I have no idea why it is being this way. > Thanks! Maximaze it, right-click the top bar --> Advanced --> Special application Settings . Then choose 'remember' for position and size. Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Dec 2 15:47:22 2006 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:47:22 -0500 Subject: Keyboard layouts In-Reply-To: <45706D50.2060501@iol.ie> References: <45706D50.2060501@iol.ie> Message-ID: <200612021047.22730.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 01 December 2006 12:58 pm, Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: > Options, but none of them work. (Could the physical keyboard---an old > generic 102-key keyboard---have a bearing on this?) I have no idea if it could or not, but I have an old keyboard from '91, and I've never been able to get the Xkb options to work properly on any version of KDE or X11 on any distro on any Linux kernel dating back to 2001. Maybe it *is* my keyboard. I never thought about it. I've asked for help at various times, and gotten a lot of arcane old fashioned X11 suggestions I never bothered to play with. I just let it go, because I don't know where half of the things are I could get with that key are anyway, so I switch back to English to type them. -- D. Michael McIntyre Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/ From ian at themagictree.co.uk Sat Dec 2 15:52:26 2006 From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:52:26 +0000 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Saturday 02 December 2006 16:07, Steven Pasternak wrote: > >> Hi! On Kubuntu Edgy, since yesterday, I think, when I open >> firefox, instead of going fullscreen, it only opens on the left >> half of the screen and I have to maximize it every time. I know >> this is low on the importance list, but it is starting to be a >> pain in the butt and I have no idea why it is being this way. >> Thanks! >> > > Maximaze it, right-click the top bar --> Advanced --> Special > application Settings . Then choose 'remember' for position and > size. > > Kaj Haulrich. > That can result in all Firefox windows opening maximised - including the download manager and the save dialog. The way I discovered is to drag the Firefox window edges to the screen edges (maximising manually, NOT by using the maximise button) - the middle window control button will then change from "maximise" to the "restore" icon. Then close Firefox and next time you open it, it starts maximised. -- Ian From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Sat Dec 2 16:04:42 2006 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:04:42 +0100 Subject: USB printing In-Reply-To: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <4571A41A.6000901@bluewin.ch> While I'm not technically savvy, I can report that I've been using an USB-connected HP DeskJet 5940 for a few months now on a Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) box without any problems. It would seem, then, that at least Kubuntu does support some USB printers. Could your difficulty stem from a possible printer driver inconsistency? john Grumpy wrote: > I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under Kubuntu or Ubuntu > it seems that cups does not detect usb printers nor does anything else > any suggestions? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Right after I connect my MP3 player, dmesg shows this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [17284715.416000] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 [17284717.488000] scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [17284717.488000] usb-storage: device found at 4 [17284717.488000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [17284722.492000] Vendor: Packard Model: Portable Player Rev: 0100 [17284722.492000] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 [17284722.496000] SCSI device sda: 2039040 512-byte hdwr sectors (1044 MB) [17284722.500000] sda: Write Protect is off [17284722.500000] sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 [17284722.500000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through [17284722.512000] SCSI device sda: 2039040 512-byte hdwr sectors (1044 MB) [17284722.512000] sda: Write Protect is off [17284722.512000] sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 [17284722.512000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through [17284722.512000] sda: sda1 [17284722.520000] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda [17284722.520000] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 [17284722.524000] usb-storage: device scan complete -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so it seems the devices are still detected. They also show up with lsusb. The problem is that nothing else happens. No desktop icons, nothing. I'm fairly sure it's a Kubuntu problem; the same computer with an up-to-date Ubuntu Dapper sees and mounts everything OK. Is there something wrong with hal, udev etc? Has somebody had the same problem? I suspect it is a conflict with KDE, since there was people with the same problem in the debian-kde mailing list. I recall there was an udev update about the time I began to have this problem. Could this be the cause? I have a HP-nc6120 laptop running an up-to-date Kubuntu Dapper with the 686 kernel and KDE 3.5.5. Thanks in advance, - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 18:42:24 2006 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:42:24 -0600 Subject: apt-get In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612021242.24716.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 02 December 2006 7:35 am, Chiphazard56 at aol.com wrote: > hi all > my on going problem > rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction no such file or directory > rm /var/lib/rpm/_db* no such file or directory > rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock no such file or directory > and i still can't update ,this is a fresh installation ??? > chip hazard the attached text file shows that the /var/cache/apt/archives/lock file IS there, its just write protected. do an "lsof | grep lock" and see what's got it open, and shut it down. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From silentph03nix at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 19:10:36 2006 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:10:36 -0600 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? In-Reply-To: <200612021840.30627.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200612021840.30627.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200612021310.36585.silentph03nix@gmail.com> On Saturday 02 December 2006 11:40, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > Since about a week ago I can't automount any USB device (MP3 player, > camera, etc). They worked perfectly before, but now I don't see the desktop > icon anymore. I have to mount the device manually. > > > so it seems the devices are still detected. They also show up with lsusb. > The problem is that nothing else happens. No desktop icons, nothing. I'm > fairly sure it's a Kubuntu problem; the same computer with an up-to-date > Ubuntu Dapper sees and mounts everything OK. > > Is there something wrong with hal, udev etc? Has somebody had the same > problem? I suspect it is a conflict with KDE, since there was people with > the same problem in the debian-kde mailing list. I recall there was an udev > update about the time I began to have this problem. Could this be the > cause? > > I have a HP-nc6120 laptop running an up-to-date Kubuntu Dapper with the > 686 kernel and KDE 3.5.5. > I'm seeing the exact same problem on up to date kubuntu dapper and as with you GNOME on the same box sees and mounts the devices perfectly. -- Ph03nix ---------------------------------------------------------- We come to bury DOS, not to praise it. -- Paul Vojta, vojta at math.berkeley.edu From sergicles at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 19:16:46 2006 From: sergicles at gmail.com (Serg B.) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 06:16:46 +1100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? In-Reply-To: <200612021310.36585.silentph03nix@gmail.com> References: <200612021840.30627.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612021310.36585.silentph03nix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1680c5ca0612021116t6fcf986et1886668730ad582d@mail.gmail.com> I have the same problem (haven't verified on GNOME) on Kubutu 6.10. On 03/12/06, Silent Ph03nix wrote: > > On Saturday 02 December 2006 11:40, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > > Since about a week ago I can't automount any USB device (MP3 > player, > > camera, etc). They worked perfectly before, but now I don't see the > desktop > > icon anymore. I have to mount the device manually. > > > > > > > so it seems the devices are still detected. They also show up with > lsusb. > > The problem is that nothing else happens. No desktop icons, nothing. I'm > > fairly sure it's a Kubuntu problem; the same computer with an up-to-date > > Ubuntu Dapper sees and mounts everything OK. > > > > Is there something wrong with hal, udev etc? Has somebody had the > same > > problem? I suspect it is a conflict with KDE, since there was people > with > > the same problem in the debian-kde mailing list. I recall there was an > udev > > update about the time I began to have this problem. Could this be the > > cause? > > > > I have a HP-nc6120 laptop running an up-to-date Kubuntu Dapper > with the > > 686 kernel and KDE 3.5.5. > > > > I'm seeing the exact same problem on up to date kubuntu dapper and as with > you > GNOME on the same box sees and mounts the devices perfectly. > -- > Ph03nix > ---------------------------------------------------------- > We come to bury DOS, not to praise it. > -- Paul Vojta, vojta at math.berkeley.edu > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Serg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Sat Dec 2 19:42:36 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:42:36 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? In-Reply-To: <1680c5ca0612021116t6fcf986et1886668730ad582d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612021840.30627.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612021310.36585.silentph03nix@gmail.com> <1680c5ca0612021116t6fcf986et1886668730ad582d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612022042.36522.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Saturday 02 December 2006 20:16, Serg B. wrote: > I have the same problem (haven't verified on GNOME) on Kubutu 6.10. Three cases in a row. Looks like it's time for a bug report. Has anyone reported this already? Cheers, - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Dec 3 04:24:02 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:24:02 -0700 Subject: USB printing In-Reply-To: <4571A41A.6000901@bluewin.ch> References: <200612010839.38436.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <4571A41A.6000901@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200612022124.02304.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:04, john d. herron wrote: > While I'm not technically savvy, I can report that I've been using an > USB-connected HP DeskJet 5940 for a few months now on a Kubuntu 6.06 > (Dapper) box without any problems. > It would seem, then, that at least Kubuntu does support some USB printers. > Could your difficulty stem from a possible printer driver inconsistency? > john > > Grumpy wrote: > > I am still not able to get my Samsung ML 2010 to print under Kubuntu or > > Ubuntu it seems that cups does not detect usb printers nor does anything > > else any suggestions? possible probable even although I have never had trouble with other distros [except fedora...ducks and runs] From jeff_yowell at cox.net Sat Dec 2 21:27:05 2006 From: jeff_yowell at cox.net (Jeff Yowell) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 15:27:05 -0600 Subject: FS: D-Link DWL-G650 Ubuntu Compatible Cardbus $32 shipped Message-ID: I have an extra D-Link DWL-G650 Mac Compatible Cardbus Wireless card up for sale. It is fantastic when used with Ubuntu Linux on a PowerBook G3 or G4 - does not even require any extra drivers or configuring! The internet is sooo fast using this card under Ubuntu. Asking $32.00 shipped. I will ship internationally also, just ask. Paypal OK eBay ID: powercomputing From jgomezdans at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 22:28:56 2006 From: jgomezdans at gmail.com (Jose Gomez-Dans) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:28:56 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? In-Reply-To: <200612022042.36522.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200612021840.30627.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612021310.36585.silentph03nix@gmail.com> <1680c5ca0612021116t6fcf986et1886668730ad582d@mail.gmail.com> <200612022042.36522.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <91d218430612021428j40cd650u84771918a11f39f3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 12/2/06, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > Three cases in a row. Looks like it's time for a bug report. Has anyone > reported this already? It started earlier. See my previous posts about a week ago. I solved the problem going back to the debs from Jonathan Riddell KDE 3.5.5 (they have a "1" in the end, rather than a "2"). All works fine now. I suggest that maybe the upstream (Ubuntu official) debs didn't get the changes Jonathan applied to these packages. But definitely, the current version is busted :( Here's a brief note that I found useful in the past. It appears that HAL has been problematic for a while for us living on the KDE 3.5.5 world: Go ahead and file a bug, From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Sun Dec 3 00:32:14 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:32:14 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. Message-ID: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no visible reason: For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) you will still need a special admin account; so what is the point of making this different from root ? Impression, Kubuntu is for geeks; As installed, the serial mouse did not work, and I had to vi xorg.conf to get it working. As installed, the network cards were not configured; when I ran the config it offered me eth0 and eth1, without telling me what card was on each, and I had to try an IP adress on one, and go to a console to try to ping my firewall, to know which was which. As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the listed repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so I had to vi source.list to get that working. How is the non-geek user, fresh from MS Windows, supposed to deal with things like that ? Cheers, Ron. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From jeff_yowell at cox.net Sun Dec 3 00:37:01 2006 From: jeff_yowell at cox.net (Jeff Yowell) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:37:01 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: 6.06 is 6 months old, and many people have tried it. The newest version is 6.10, and may have fixed many of the issues you spoke of. On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: > > Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no > visible reason: > > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? > > The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) > you will > still need a special admin account; so what is the point of making > this > different from root ? > > > Impression, Kubuntu is for geeks; > > As installed, the serial mouse did not work, and I had to vi > xorg.conf to get > it working. > > As installed, the network cards were not configured; when I ran the > config it > offered me eth0 and eth1, without telling me what card was on each, > and I had > to try an IP adress on one, and go to a console to try to ping my > firewall, > to know which was which. > > As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the > listed > repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so I > had to vi > source.list to get that working. > > How is the non-geek user, fresh from MS Windows, supposed to deal > with things > like that ? > > > Cheers, > > Ron. > -- > Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. > If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's > throats. > -- > Howard Aiken > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > listinfo/kubuntu-users ---------------------------------- Jeff Yowell jeff_yowell at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Sun Dec 3 00:58:51 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:58:51 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <4572214B.7040001@optonline.net> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: > >Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no visible reason: > >For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? > > Fedora, from which I just recently switched to Kubuntu does the same. I think the logic is that ¨media¨ will make more sense to Joe User. If I remember correctly, I think OSX does something similar, too. >The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) you will >still need a special admin account; so what is the point of making this >different from root ? > > Ideally, as I understand it, only the administrator will be have access to a password for sudo, and/or, be able to set passwords and permissions for its use by other users, being able to grant others access to all or only some sudo functions. I still kind of struggle with this one myself. Perhaps from habit, having a root account makes sense to me. Then again, I never logged in as root when I had that option, really, but simply logged into my user account, and accessed su functions in the terminal, which is hardly any different from doing sudo psswd root at terminal, anyway. Others on this list can justify the sudo thing better than I can, I am sure. > >Impression, Kubuntu is for geeks; > >As installed, the serial mouse did not work, and I had to vi xorg.conf to get >it working. > >As installed, the network cards were not configured; when I ran the config it >offered me eth0 and eth1, without telling me what card was on each, and I had >to try an IP adress on one, and go to a console to try to ping my firewall, >to know which was which. > >As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the listed >repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so I had to vi >source.list to get that working. > >How is the non-geek user, fresh from MS Windows, supposed to deal with things >like that ? > > >Cheers, > >Ron. >-- > Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. > If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. > -- Howard Aiken > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > > > From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 3 00:59:04 2006 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:59:04 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612021959.04517.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> I dont consider myself a slouch with a computer, but Ubuntu/Kubuntu is my first tour of Linux. None of the concerns presented here gave me any headaches...my problems were very specific to hardware found on my laptop, which are problems noted Linux community-wide, as I discovered. In three weeks I loaded 6.06 and recently finished an upgrade to 6.10. The bottom line with any Linux is that if you want it to work properly you have to be committed to the effort, both learning, and with troubleshooting....but so far I am MS free with very little loss of capability. Larry On Saturday 02 December 2006 19:37, Jeff Yowell wrote: > 6.06 is 6 months old, and many people have tried it. > The newest version is 6.10, and may have fixed many of the issues you > spoke of. > > On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: > > > > Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no > > visible reason: > > > > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? > > > > The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) > > you will > > still need a special admin account; so what is the point of making > > this > > different from root ? > > > > > > Impression, Kubuntu is for geeks; > > > > As installed, the serial mouse did not work, and I had to vi > > xorg.conf to get > > it working. > > > > As installed, the network cards were not configured; when I ran the > > config it > > offered me eth0 and eth1, without telling me what card was on each, > > and I had > > to try an IP adress on one, and go to a console to try to ping my > > firewall, > > to know which was which. > > > > As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the > > listed > > repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so I > > had to vi > > source.list to get that working. > > > > How is the non-geek user, fresh from MS Windows, supposed to deal > > with things > > like that ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ron. > > -- > > Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. > > If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's > > throats. > > -- > > Howard Aiken > > > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > > listinfo/kubuntu-users > > ---------------------------------- > Jeff Yowell > jeff_yowell at cox.net From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Sun Dec 3 01:10:16 2006 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:10:16 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612030110.16788.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Hi there, On Sunday 03 December 2006 00:32, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: Actually Kubuntu is at 6.10 now, which has several enhancements, but in any case... > Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no visible > reason: > > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? It is standard for removeable devices: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT > The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) you will > still need a special admin account; so what is the point of making this > different from root ? This can be a point of contention, however, the first user setup is a 'power user' that can use sudo by typing their own password. Presumably schools and other institutions would know this and this would be the admin account when it is setup. Many think that using sudo instead of logging in as root is safer for various reasons. For example you have to explicitly type sudo to execute a command as root so there is a reduced chance of running commands as root when that wasn't the intention and sudo will also periodically ask for your password so even if you left a terminal unlocked for a time, chances are sudo would ask for the user's password again if someone else were to come along try and do something mischievous. > As installed, the serial mouse did not work, and I had to vi xorg.conf to > get it working. > > As installed, the network cards were not configured; when I ran the config > it offered me eth0 and eth1, without telling me what card was on each, and > I had to try an IP adress on one, and go to a console to try to ping my > firewall, to know which was which. Sounds like you have a non-standard setup. Most people have PS/2 or USB mice which generally work out of the box. Also most people only have one network card and in general this is setup automatically too. Yes it needs some work on this, but hardware setup is something that most Linux distros have trouble with because there are so many hardware configurations out there. > As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the listed > repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so I had to vi > source.list to get that working. Adept, the official Kubuntu package manager can edit the source list file for you. No need for the console and vi. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From garryknight at gmx.net Sun Dec 3 01:53:27 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:53:27 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; Me too. > The root user has been done away with; My /etc/passwd shows this as the first line: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash And my /etc/shadow has this: root:$1$kjA38ZAR$UAtExMHffbFqsMNxrTtIb.:13482:0:99999:7::: And I haven't made any changes to either file, other than adding two regular users, using the 'Users and Groups' dialog from the System menu. In what way has root been done away with on your system? -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 02:25:21 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:25:21 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Sure he's not talking about the whole "sudo" paradigm... On 12/2/06, Garry Knight wrote: > Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; > > Me too. > > > The root user has been done away with; > > My /etc/passwd shows this as the first line: > > root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash > > And my /etc/shadow has this: > > root:$1$kjA38ZAR$UAtExMHffbFqsMNxrTtIb.:13482:0:99999:7::: > > And I haven't made any changes to either file, other than adding two regular > users, using the 'Users and Groups' dialog from the System menu. In what > way has root been done away with on your system? > > -- > Garry Knight > garryknight at gmx.net > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From lists at ptfd.org Sun Dec 3 03:31:42 2006 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:31:42 -0500 Subject: kubuntu desktop, win2003 server home dir's In-Reply-To: <456E5575.3000909@gmail.com> References: <200611291238.13734.lists@ptfd.org> <456E5575.3000909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612022231.42478.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 29 November 2006 22:52, O. Sinclair wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > We are attempting to convert our desktops to kubuntu and have a few > > remaining hurdles, one being Oracle Calendar, the other is that in > > windows all teh users of the various desktops are sharing space on teh > > server for their "my docs" While using samba we can set this up fairly > > seamlessly, but Open Office won't open or write to samba shares. > > > > Any advice on solving this issue? > > > > Mike > > KDE and MS server 2003 is a tricky beast and one that works flawless in > Gnome Ubuntu. I had headaches with this too. > > In my experience there are 3 solutions; > 1 there is a security setting "somewhere" in MS 2003 server to change. > Never got that one working and not recommended Can't do this one, ms is insecure enough.. > 2 for each user you can automount via a script the share in question; > mount -t cifs //ip-numberofserver/servershare /mount/validmountdir -o > username='validserverusername',password='passwordofsameuseronserver' > this works though it is a very crude solution. SMB protocol does not This does work although a little problematic, it needs tobe root to mount. I am considering adding everyones /home directories to fstab and mounting them at boot, wouldn't that clean it up a bit? > 3 install the Gnome VFS + openoffice.org integration. works after that > but user will be asked for password 2-3 extra times Can't find this one, repository? Mike From henrigira at numericable.fr Sun Dec 3 05:09:31 2006 From: henrigira at numericable.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:09:31 +0100 Subject: apt-get message error Message-ID: Hi Is there a way to clean this problem ? each time i use apt-get it ended with it I am on kubuntu edgy thanks Henri Paramétrage de k3d (0.5.12.0-1ubuntu2) ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1348, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1342, in main rv = action.run(global_options) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 865, in run pkg.read_version_info() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 535, in read_version_info raise PyCentralError, "package has no field Python-Version" __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version dpkg : erreur de traitement de k3d (--configure) : le sous-processus post-installation script a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1 Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : k3d E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 05:14:16 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:14:16 -0800 Subject: apt-get message error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't speak french, but there was some kind of problem with python. Check for bad dpendencies and malconfigured packages. On 12/2/06, Henri Girard wrote: > Hi > Is there a way to clean this problem ? > each time i use apt-get it ended with it > I am on kubuntu edgy > thanks > Henri > > > Paramétrage de k3d (0.5.12.0-1ubuntu2) ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1348, in ? > main() > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1342, in main > rv = action.run(global_options) > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 865, in run > pkg.read_version_info() > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 535, in read_version_info > raise PyCentralError, "package has no field Python-Version" > __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version > dpkg: erreur de traitement de k3d (--configure): > le sous-processus post-installation script a retourné une erreur de > sortie d'état 1 > Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution: > k3d > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From mdhirsch at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 06:39:49 2006 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:39:49 -0700 Subject: Sun Java In-Reply-To: <456EB9B5.8030601@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <456E0D78.4090206@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200611300833.40179.piero.ottuzzi@omnys.it> <456EB9B5.8030601@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0612022239t2eaf1ea3pe5b13ca2362d74cc@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Piero Ottuzzi wrote: > > Hi Neil, > > > > DO NOT USE adept to install sun-java packages... you will be asked to accept a > > license but in adept you cannot press the OK button. > > Simply use apt-get from console... it will be safer :) > > > > Bye > > Piero > > > > Alle 23:45, mercoledì 29 novembre 2006, Neil Winchurst ha scritto: > > > >> I am using Kubuntu Edgy. > >> > >> My browsers do not include Java run-time. Should I install sun-java5-bin > >> using Adept? And if I do will java then appear as one of my plugins? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Neil Winchurst > >> > > > > > This is not quite true. When you use Adept there is a button marked > 'Details'. If you click on that you go to a window like a console screen > and you see all that is happening. You can accept the licence by > pressing enter for the OK button. That's what I thought, but when I tried it it didn't work. It was a little messy to recover from so I wouldn't recommend trying it. Michael From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 08:15:51 2006 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:15:51 +0200 Subject: kubuntu desktop, win2003 server home dir's In-Reply-To: <200612022231.42478.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200611291238.13734.lists@ptfd.org> <456E5575.3000909@gmail.com> <200612022231.42478.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <457287B7.2030301@gmail.com> Hi, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Wednesday 29 November 2006 22:52, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>> We are attempting to convert our desktops to kubuntu and have a few >>> remaining hurdles, one being Oracle Calendar, the other is that in >>> windows all teh users of the various desktops are sharing space on teh >>> server for their "my docs" While using samba we can set this up fairly >>> seamlessly, but Open Office won't open or write to samba shares. >>> >>> Any advice on solving this issue? >>> >>> Mike >> KDE and MS server 2003 is a tricky beast and one that works flawless in >> Gnome Ubuntu. I had headaches with this too. >> >> In my experience there are 3 solutions; >> 1 there is a security setting "somewhere" in MS 2003 server to change. >> Never got that one working and not recommended > > Can't do this one, ms is insecure enough.. > >> 2 for each user you can automount via a script the share in question; >> mount -t cifs //ip-numberofserver/servershare /mount/validmountdir -o >> username='validserverusername',password='passwordofsameuseronserver' >> this works though it is a very crude solution. SMB protocol does not > > This does work although a little problematic, it needs tobe root to mount. Sorry, forgot sudo at the beginning... > > I am considering adding everyones /home directories to fstab and mounting them > at boot, wouldn't that clean it up a bit? Have never got that working am afraid though I did try. fstab and cifs doesn't seem to like one another. I had to make a script and have it run at login for each user. > > >> 3 install the Gnome VFS + openoffice.org integration. works after that >> but user will be asked for password 2-3 extra times > Can't find this one, repository? Just do synaptic or adept and search for vfs, you will them. They should be in restricted. If you go ubuntu-forums or kubuntu forums there are some threads re this. Sadly it is a KDE problem, not really a "ubuntu" problem. Sinclair From daniel at rimspace.net Sun Dec 3 08:54:01 2006 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:54:01 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" writes: > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: > > Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no visible > reason: > > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? As others have pointed out this is actually a move to /more/ standardisation, not less, and is part of the FHS that most distributions have agreed to follow. > The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) you > will still need a special admin account; so what is the point of > making this different from root ? Run 'man 8 sudo_root' to get the detailed explanation from the Ubuntu developers; if you look at their disadvantages summary you will note that they do identify that some "special cases" don't fit so well with this. The Ubuntu Server project is, by the way, addressing that particular foible (directory service integration) in an organised fashion, and one which the other client variants are likely to benefit from. > Impression, Kubuntu is for geeks; > > As installed, the serial mouse did not work, and I had to vi xorg.conf > to get it working. Serial mice have never really been possible to autodetect and, frankly, are no longer really a supported or interesting item. Directly connected and external dedicated hardware is almost uniformly PS/2 these days, which is automatically detected. Other mice are USB and, again, are automatically detected -- and hot-plug capable -- out of the box. > As installed, the network cards were not configured; That should have happened out of the box -- even with multiple network cards. If you submit a bug report including the install log I am sure the developers will be interested in fixing the problem. Assuming, of course, that you didn't have the machine disconnected from the network and answer "leave it unconfigured" to the network questions. > when I ran the config it offered me eth0 and eth1, without telling me > what card was on each, and I had to try an IP adress on one, and go to > a console to try to ping my firewall, to know which was which. Multiple network cards is not a common configuration, and is less well tested. If you had a cable plugged into only one interface then the installer would have defaulted to that, and the LiveCD should have found it and used that after installation. If you had cables plugged into both then, yes, you need to tell Ubuntu which you intend to use as your primary interface -- and configure the second by hand. As to the lack of information on which card is which, well, that is an unsolvable problem. The best that could have been done was to tell you what hardware was driving each port, which is highly technical and in many cases identical on both ports in a machine. There is no way, short of magic, to tell which physical connector on a machine is related to which Linux interface -- because there is no standard there. > As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the > listed repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so > I had to vi source.list to get that working. > > How is the non-geek user, fresh from MS Windows, supposed to deal with > things like that ? Normally people don't install Ubuntu without a network connection, on a machine with two network cards, and expect it to intuit what configuration it should use out of the box. The comment on the 'sources.list' file is probably relevant, and you might choose to file a bug report on it, or on the other issues you felt were in the installer. Those bug reports or enhancement requests are the only way that you are likely to see things improve, by the way. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From mwimmer at mindspin.de Sun Dec 3 10:20:21 2006 From: mwimmer at mindspin.de (mwimmer at mindspin.de) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:20:21 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? Message-ID: <4572A4E5.2090204@mindspin.de> Hi, same problem here, I "fixed" it by adding a line to /etc/fstab after dectecting the UUID of the usb-device UUID=CC54-89A1 /media/stick auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 now I can manually mount the Stick. Hopefully this will be solved soon mindspin From frode at ubuntu.com Sun Dec 3 10:49:14 2006 From: frode at ubuntu.com (Frode =?utf-8?B?TS4gRMO4dmluZw==?=) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:49:14 +0100 Subject: apt-get In-Reply-To: <200612021242.24716.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4642625.2JZAbfSd4Z@ubuntu.com> At Saturday 02 December 2006 19:42, you wrote: > On Saturday 02 December 2006 7:35 am, Chiphazard56 at aol.com wrote: > > hi all > > my on going problem > > rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction no such file or directory > > rm /var/lib/rpm/_db* no such file or directory > > rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock no such file or directory > > and i still can't update ,this is a fresh installation ??? > > chip hazard > > the attached text file shows that the /var/cache/apt/archives/lock file IS > there, its just write protected. do an "lsof | grep lock" and see what's got > it open, and shut it down. You can also use: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/cache/apt/archives/lock' .to kill the programs using the file. - Frode From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Sun Dec 3 10:54:26 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 11:54:26 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? In-Reply-To: <4572A4E5.2090204@mindspin.de> References: <4572A4E5.2090204@mindspin.de> Message-ID: <200612031154.27382.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Sunday 03 December 2006 11:20, mwimmer at mindspin.de wrote: > Hi, same problem here, I "fixed" it by adding a line to /etc/fstab > after dectecting the UUID of the usb-device I can still mount USB devices manually without tweaking /etc/fstab, but it's good to know this trick just in case ;-). Thanks! - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Sun Dec 3 12:15:14 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:15:14 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Sunday 03 December 2006 05:54, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Daniel Pittman who wrote: > Serial mice have never really been possible to autodetect Is it that difficult, when no mouse is detected, to launch a small app that asks the user about his mouse, and the port he uses ? > and, frankly, are no longer really a supported or interesting item. > Directly connected and external dedicated hardware is almost uniformly > PS/2 these days, which is automatically detected.  Other mice are USB > and, again, are automatically detected -- and hot-plug capable -- out of > the box. There are millions of them still living in the wilds, specially in the poor third world where we tend to recycle and reuse old junk from the first world; most of the computers I help maintain at the kid's school are 486s or P1s. So is Kubuntu only for the all-new-hardware elite only ? Cheers, Ron. PS Both Mandriva and Knoppix seem to manage installing serial mice; so it must not be _that_ big a problem.... -- Sed nescio quo modo nihil tam absurde dici potest quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From ejviolet at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 14:29:27 2006 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions Message-ID: <20061203142927.13414.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" writes: > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? *buntu is Debian based and my Debian machine does this in 3.1 which is well over a year old. > The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) you > will still need a special admin account; so what is the point of > making this different from root ? You can still get to root by going to a terminal entering the following code: sudo passwd root and following the instructions on screen. Use CTRL-ALT-F1 to get to a console and log in as root. In a terminal, at the command prompt, enter: su > As installed, because there was no Internet working yet, all the > listed repositories in /etc/apt/source-list had been commented out; so > I had to vi source.list to get that working. > > How is the non-geek user, fresh from MS Windows, supposed to deal with > things like that ? This happens in Debian Stable too. No Internet, no sources. Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From rbmorse at comcast.net Sun Dec 3 15:33:22 2006 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:33:22 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> If you're determined to not like Kubuntu, I suppose there are any number of reasons you will find to not like it. Cheers. RBM On Sunday 03 December 2006 05:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > So is Kubuntu only for the all-new-hardware elite only ? > > Cheers, > > Ron. > > PS Both Mandriva and Knoppix seem to manage installing > serial mice; so it must not be _that_ big a problem.... > -- > Sed nescio quo modo nihil tam absurde dici > potest quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum. -- > Marcus Tullius Cicero > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org > -- From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Sun Dec 3 15:36:29 2006 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:36:29 +0000 Subject: Sun Java In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0612022239t2eaf1ea3pe5b13ca2362d74cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <456E0D78.4090206@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200611300833.40179.piero.ottuzzi@omnys.it> <456EB9B5.8030601@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <9c2aabaf0612022239t2eaf1ea3pe5b13ca2362d74cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4572EEFD.9010806@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Michael Hirsch wrote: > On 11/30/06, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> Piero Ottuzzi wrote: >> >>> Hi Neil, >>> >>> DO NOT USE adept to install sun-java packages... you will be asked to accept a >>> license but in adept you cannot press the OK button. >>> Simply use apt-get from console... it will be safer :) >>> >>> Bye >>> Piero >>> >>> Alle 23:45, mercoledì 29 novembre 2006, Neil Winchurst ha scritto: >>> >>> >>>> I am using Kubuntu Edgy. >>>> >>>> My browsers do not include Java run-time. Should I install sun-java5-bin >>>> using Adept? And if I do will java then appear as one of my plugins? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Neil Winchurst >>>> >>>> >>> >> This is not quite true. When you use Adept there is a button marked >> 'Details'. If you click on that you go to a window like a console screen >> and you see all that is happening. You can accept the licence by >> pressing enter for the OK button. >> > > That's what I thought, but when I tried it it didn't work. It was a > little messy to recover from so I wouldn't recommend trying it. > > Michael > > As a follow-up I did install sun java using a console and apt-get install. I had to accept the licence but it all worked OK and I now have java available on both browsers. Neil Winchurst From raphink at ubuntu.com Sun Dec 3 16:12:09 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:12:09 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <8ce271500612030812n29c7912y7a805277778df614@mail.gmail.com> Hi Renaud, > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? This is the standard. The standard for Linux is called Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) and specifies that peripherals should be mounted to /media. /mnt is to be used by the administrator to manually mount an additional partition that was not planned in the fstab. It is a mistake according to the standards to create several directories in /mnt to mount all your partitions. You can read about Linux hierarchy standards on this page: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ , > The root user has been done away with; in many cases (schools etc) you will > still need a special admin account; so what is the point of making this > different from root ? > The root account does exist on Ubuntu systems but no password is assigned to it by default, because the system uses sudo instead of su by default. As for the /mnt thingy, this is a different approach that is partly shared with Debian (Debian proposes to use sudo at install). MacOSX also uses sudo by default because it has a lot of advantages. At work, we tend to use sudo more and more instead of the root account on servers, because this allows to have a better control of the rights of each user on the machine. You can read more about sudo in the sudo_root manpages (`man sudo_root` in a console or `man:/sudo_root`in Konqueror). I hope we can have a constructive talk on standards. Regards, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians From henrigira at numericable.fr Sun Dec 3 16:11:34 2006 From: henrigira at numericable.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:11:34 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> Message-ID: HI :) I discovered kubuntu 6 months ago for many years i used mandrake and redhat... But now i am on kubuntu edgy and keep to it because they are so many "installation" ways i didn't like sudo (and still don't like it) but they are so many advantages with kub that i forget this "backward"... use automatix and many installation problems disapears... so now i keep to it and discover each day new good surprises regards HG On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:33:22 +0100, Ron Morse wrote: > If you're determined to not like Kubuntu, I suppose there > are any number of reasons you will find to not like it. > > Cheers. > > RBM > > > On Sunday 03 December 2006 05:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati > wrote: >> >> So is Kubuntu only for the all-new-hardware elite only ? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ron. >> >> PS Both Mandriva and Knoppix seem to manage installing >> serial mice; so it must not be _that_ big a problem.... >> -- >> Sed nescio quo modo nihil tam absurde dici >> potest quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum. -- >> Marcus Tullius Cicero >> >> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org >> -- > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Sun Dec 3 18:31:35 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:31:35 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED Message-ID: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Saturday 02 December 2006 23:28, you wrote: > It started earlier. See my previous posts about a week ago. I solved > the problem going back to the debs from Jonathan Riddell KDE 3.5.5 > (they have a "1" in the end, rather than a "2"). All works fine now. I > suggest that maybe the upstream (Ubuntu official) debs didn't get the > changes Jonathan applied to these packages. This solved it. I went to http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/hal , downloaded the package hal_0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1_i386.deb , installed it and restarted the computer. Voila! My icons are back; now everything works like it should. Thank you everybody for your input; now let's hope the developers fix the official hal package as soon as possible . . . - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Sun Dec 3 18:33:19 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:33:19 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? Message-ID: <200612031933.20051.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Saturday 02 December 2006 23:28, you wrote: > Go ahead and file a bug, Done;it's bug number 74236. Cheers, - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From silentph03nix at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 19:51:35 2006 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:51:35 -0600 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? In-Reply-To: <200612031933.20051.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200612031933.20051.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200612031351.35696.silentph03nix@gmail.com> On Sunday 03 December 2006 12:33, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > On Saturday 02 December 2006 23:28, you wrote: > > Go ahead and file a bug, > > Done;it's bug number 74236. I have added my comments to this bug. -- Ph03nix ---------------------------------------------------------- When I was little, I went into a pet shop and they asked how big I'd get. -- Rodney Dangerfield From claydoh at claydoh.com Sun Dec 3 20:37:59 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:37:59 -0500 Subject: apt-get message error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457335A7.70900@claydoh.com> Henri Girard wrote: > Hi > Is there a way to clean this problem ? > each time i use apt-get it ended with it > I am on kubuntu edgy > thanks > Henri > > > Paramétrage de k3d (0.5.12.0-1ubuntu2) ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1348, in ? > main() > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1342, in main > rv = action.run(global_options) > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 865, in run > pkg.read_version_info() > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 535, in read_version_info > raise PyCentralError, "package has no field Python-Version" > __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version > dpkg : erreur de traitement de k3d (--configure) : > le sous-processus post-installation script a retourné une erreur de > sortie d'état 1 > Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : > k3d > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=303289&page=2&highlight=k3d From lists at ptfd.org Sun Dec 3 21:24:07 2006 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 16:24:07 -0500 Subject: beryl Message-ID: <200612031624.07463.lists@ptfd.org> I am attempting to set up beryl, I got it working sort of but if there are any windows open when beryl starts the window decorations disappear, since I frequently need to leave konqueror sessions open and have them reload on teh laptop when I next start up this is not working well. After some googleing I found this, http://ifacethoughts.net/2006/11/25/beryl-on-kubuntu-edgy-eft-610/ which I really like as you basically now have kde or kde-beryl at your disposal, and it should start beryl before kde, so it should solve my problem, however whenever I try and log in to the beryl session kde won't start, I just get kdm again. Anyone have any ideas? Mike From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Sun Dec 3 21:30:39 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:30:39 -0500 Subject: no sound for user Message-ID: <457341FF.9030003@optonline.net> Hi, I´m completely confused. I set my daughter up as a user on my machine, and there is no sound when she is logged in. I don´t understand. All of the settings for the sound system are exactly the same for her as for me. KMix doesn´t find a mixer, whatever that means, which makes no sense to me, since KMix is fine when I am logged in. The truth is, I don´t run KMix and have no trouble with sound anyway, when I am logged in. But under my daughter´s username, I get no sound, either with or without KMix running. Furthermore, and likely this deserves separate thread, I must be confused about how sudo works... When I logged in under my daughter´s username and tried to get into terminal to poke around and see if I could determine or repair this issue, my password does not allow me to sudo. But hers does...I don´t want her to have sudo access. I though only I had sudo access, and that only my password would open sudo, and that I could do so from terminal regardless of what user is logged in. That makes sense to me, perhaps because I am accustomed to having su/root. But that is not what is happening here, and that scares me. Somehow, this little bit of news has completely befuddled my understanding and confidence in this whole sudo bit. Perhaps someone could explain to me where I am wrong in thinking that it appears as though any user has access to sudo, and the real administrator (me) can only sudo when I am logged in under my username, as opposed to having root access regardless of who is logged in. tony From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Dec 3 21:39:20 2006 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:39:20 +0200 Subject: Syncing Palm Message-ID: <45734408.4040009@rmk.co.il> I just bought a Palm Z22 and was impressed the way that Kpilot automatically configured it and synced. I was even able to load a Bible study program onto the Palm. However, since that first successful connection Kpilot refuses to connect again. I have tried disconnecting the Palm (usb) and reconnecting, closing Kpilot and restarting it. As an alternative option I installed gnome-pilot-conduits but can't figure out how to start it (I'm using KDE). I can sync using Evolution but I want to be able to install other apps. Also, how can I remove apps that I have installed from my Palm? TIA Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ Messianic E-Cards.com http://www.messianicecards.com/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Dec 3 21:41:27 2006 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:41:27 +0200 Subject: Syncing Palm Message-ID: <45734487.1060906@rmk.co.il> I just bought a Palm Z22 and was impressed the way that Kpilot automatically configured it and synced. I was even able to load a Bible study program onto the Palm. However, since that first successful connection Kpilot refuses to connect again. I have tried disconnecting the Palm (usb) and reconnecting, closing Kpilot and restarting it. I did actually manage it by trying /dev/tty/USB3 but now it also doesn't work. Is there a way to find out which number USB I need to use and does it change every time I disconnect and reconnect the USB cable? As an alternative option I installed gnome-pilot-conduits but can't figure out how to start it (I'm using KDE). I can sync using Evolution but I want to be able to install other apps. Also, how can I remove apps that I have installed from my Palm? TIA Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ Messianic E-Cards.com http://www.messianicecards.com/ From mail at lobraun.de Sun Dec 3 21:40:48 2006 From: mail at lobraun.de (Lothar Braun) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:40:48 +0100 Subject: no sound for user In-Reply-To: <457341FF.9030003@optonline.net> References: <457341FF.9030003@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200612032240.53902.mail@lobraun.de> Hi Anthony, On Sunday 03 December 2006 22:30, anthony baldwin wrote: > I´m completely confused. > I set my daughter up as a user on my machine, and there is no sound when > she is logged in. Make sure she is in the audio group. Add her to that group, log her in again and she should have sound. > Furthermore, and likely this deserves separate thread, I must be > confused about how sudo works... > When I logged in under my daughter´s username and tried to get into > terminal to poke around and > see if I could determine or repair this issue, my password does not > allow me to sudo. > But hers does...I don´t want her to have sudo access. I though only I > had sudo access, and that only > my password would open sudo, and that I could do so from terminal > regardless of what user is logged in. Sudo always works with the users password. The sudo-configuration tells sudo which users may use sudo. The default edgy /etc/sudoers allows all users in the admin group to use sudo. Remove your daughters account from that group, log her in and she should not be able to use sudo any longer. 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I am not determined to like or dislike Kubuntu, yet. Just now I am trying to understand it so I can make up my mind. As in any change, there are good and bad points; I am trying to understand better the reasons behind some of those, because this will help me decide if I can live with what I'm not used to for now, or not. Earl Violet wrote: > > For instance, why mount partitions on /media/ instead of /mnt/ ? > *buntu is Debian based and my Debian machine does this in 3.1 which > is well over a year old. I have been toying with Linux since Slackware 2.0, a looong time ago, and I started using Mandrake as my only desktop OS some years back, in the days of Mdk 6.1, whenever this was. And I had never before met a /media/ mounting dir; must be a new thing. "Raphaël Pinson" wrote: > You can read about Linux hierarchy > standards on this page:  http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ , Thanks for the link, I'll have a look. > I hope we can have a constructive talk on standards. So do I. "Henri Girard" who wrote: > i didn't like sudo (and still don't like it) but they are so many   > advantages with kub that i forget this "backward"... Thanks, I'll try to do the same. Cheers, Ron. -- Measure twice, cut once. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From jferrando at netplc.com Sun Dec 3 23:29:12 2006 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:29:12 +0100 Subject: no sound for user In-Reply-To: <457341FF.9030003@optonline.net> References: <457341FF.9030003@optonline.net> Message-ID: <45735DC8.8020508@netplc.com> Hi Anthony: Does the user belong to the system groups that grant access to sound (audio?)? When I create new users I grant them access to the following groups: * audio*, cdrom, floppy, fuse, games, plugdev, saned, scanner, tty, users anthony baldwin escribió: > Hi, > > I´m completely confused. > I set my daughter up as a user on my machine, and there is no sound when > she is logged in. > I don´t understand. All of the settings for the sound system are > exactly the same for her as for me. > KMix doesn´t find a mixer, whatever that means, which makes no sense to > me, since KMix > is fine when I am logged in. > The truth is, I don´t run KMix and have no trouble with sound anyway, > when I am logged in. > But under my daughter´s username, I get no sound, either with or without > KMix running. > > Furthermore, and likely this deserves separate thread, I must be > confused about how sudo works... > When I logged in under my daughter´s username and tried to get into > terminal to poke around and > see if I could determine or repair this issue, my password does not > allow me to sudo. > But hers does...I don´t want her to have sudo access. I though only I > had sudo access, and that only > my password would open sudo, and that I could do so from terminal > regardless of what user is logged in. > That makes sense to me, perhaps because I am accustomed to having su/root. > But that is not what is happening here, and that scares me. > Somehow, this little bit of news has completely befuddled my > understanding and confidence in this whole sudo bit. > Perhaps someone could explain to me where I am wrong in thinking that it > appears as though any user has > access to sudo, and the real administrator (me) can only sudo when I am > logged in under my username, > as opposed to having root access regardless of who is logged in. > > tony > > > > -- *Jordi Ferrando Fabra* Director Técnico NETPLC Camino Viejo Castellón-Onda SN 12540 Vila-real (Castellón) España Tlf: +34 964 506174 Fax: +34 964 506173 www.netplc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From belred at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 00:38:02 2006 From: belred at gmail.com (Bryan) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:38:02 -0800 Subject: new computer Message-ID: can anyone recommend a good desktop and laptop to buy to run kubuntu? should i get 2 MB RAM or is 1 MB ok? also, is there any disadvantage to getting 64-bit hardware? are there any brands recommend or stay away from? thanks, bryan From 03taxi at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 23:42:40 2006 From: 03taxi at gmail.com (Michel Daggelinckx) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:42:40 +0100 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457360F0.5080706@gmail.com> Bryan wrote: > can anyone recommend a good desktop and laptop to buy to run kubuntu? > should i get 2 MB RAM or is 1 MB ok? also, is there any disadvantage to > getting 64-bit hardware? are there any brands recommend or stay away from? > > thanks, > > bryan > > > you probably mean 2GB RAM. more ram is better. a 64 bit system will be able to run both 32 and 64 bit software. 64bit software support is getting better al the time so 64bit hardware is a good investment. i'm running a 64bit ubuntu "server" on a cheap asrock k8nf4g motherboard and all hardware works out of the box. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Dec 4 00:46:34 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:46:34 -0700 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612031746.35037.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Sunday 03 December 2006 17:38, Bryan wrote: > can anyone recommend a good desktop and laptop to buy to run kubuntu? > should i get 2 MB RAM or is 1 MB ok? also, is there any disadvantage to > getting 64-bit hardware? are there any brands recommend or stay away from? Assuming the you mean 1Gb instead of 1Mg ram ;-) should be more than plenty Currently there is no significant advantage to using a 64 bit OS although this will rapidly change > > thanks, > > bryan From jeff_yowell at cox.net Mon Dec 4 00:47:05 2006 From: jeff_yowell at cox.net (Jeff Yowell) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:47:05 -0600 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> Get a Mac - any PCI-based Mac (G3 or G4) will work. On Dec 3, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Bryan wrote: > can anyone recommend a good desktop and laptop to buy to run kubuntu? > should i get 2 MB RAM or is 1 MB ok? also, is there any > disadvantage to > getting 64-bit hardware? are there any brands recommend or stay > away from? > > thanks, > > bryan > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > listinfo/kubuntu-users ---------------------------------- Jeff Yowell jeff_yowell at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tez From jeff_yowell at cox.net Mon Dec 4 01:01:00 2006 From: jeff_yowell at cox.net (Jeff Yowell) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:01:00 -0600 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Somebody I want to be a "they" or one of the ones with the "general feeling." I have Ubuntu running on a PowerBook G4 and everything works. On Dec 3, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Tez wrote: > Jeff Yowell wrote: >> Get a Mac - any PCI-based Mac (G3 or G4) will work. >> * >> * >> ---------------------------------- >> *Jeff Yowell* >> ** >> jeff_yowell at cox.net >> >> > > I've heard that getting Linux to run on a Mac can be difficult, any > truth in that? > Also, if you get a Mac, things like w32codecs to play (the evil) wma/v > format won't work on Mac, > the general feeling is that Linux runs best on PC hardware. > > Tez > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > listinfo/kubuntu-users ---------------------------------- Jeff Yowell jeff_yowell at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Dec 3, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Tez wrote: > Jeff Yowell wrote: >> Get a Mac - any PCI-based Mac (G3 or G4) will work. >> * >> * >> ---------------------------------- >> *Jeff Yowell* >> ** >> jeff_yowell at cox.net >> >> > > I've heard that getting Linux to run on a Mac can be difficult, any > truth in that? > Also, if you get a Mac, things like w32codecs to play (the evil) wma/v > format won't work on Mac, > the general feeling is that Linux runs best on PC hardware. > > Tez > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > listinfo/kubuntu-users ---------------------------------- Jeff Yowell jeff_yowell at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Dec 4 01:38:55 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:38:55 +0000 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <739BD971-E131-4A04-AF91-0F12B051EBBC@cox.net> References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> <739BD971-E131-4A04-AF91-0F12B051EBBC@cox.net> Message-ID: <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> Jeff Yowell wrote: > Somebody I want to be a "they" or one of the ones with the "general > feeling." I think I'll be rich and powerful then. > > I have Ubuntu running on a PowerBook G4 and everything works. > > The whole idea behind Linux is that it is platform independent. > > > > * > * > ---------------------------------- > *Jeff Yowell* > ** > jeff_yowell at cox.net > > Yes, Linux is platform independent, it'll run on pretty much anything. I was just saying what I've heard and asking if it was true. I don't have a Mac so I don't know. But it is true that packages like w32codecs (and maybe flash, I don't know) don't work on the Mac hardware, but, as I say, I don't have a Mac, so I don't know. Tez From jeff_yowell at cox.net Mon Dec 4 01:45:17 2006 From: jeff_yowell at cox.net (Jeff Yowell) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:45:17 -0600 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> <739BD971-E131-4A04-AF91-0F12B051EBBC@cox.net> <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Mplayer - FREE software - also platform independent - works on Mac hardware. Also works under Windows and Linux. Plays those codecs you spoke of and others. Actually, the Mac itself (out of the box) uses Unix, which is where Linux was born. Hate to sound like a crusader, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever, but you and others like you get your info from heresay instead of facts. Please use the web to educate yourself, and save yourself some time and (ultimately) frustration. Peace. Jeff On Dec 3, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Tez wrote: > Jeff Yowell wrote: >> Somebody I want to be a "they" or one of the ones with the "general >> feeling." I think I'll be rich and powerful then. >> >> I have Ubuntu running on a PowerBook G4 and everything works. >> >> The whole idea behind Linux is that it is platform independent. >> >> >> >> * >> * >> ---------------------------------- >> *Jeff Yowell* >> ** >> jeff_yowell at cox.net >> >> > > Yes, Linux is platform independent, it'll run on pretty much > anything. I > was just saying what I've heard and asking if it was true. I don't > have > a Mac so I don't know. > But it is true that packages like w32codecs (and maybe flash, I don't > know) don't work on the Mac hardware, but, as I say, I don't have a > Mac, > so I don't know. > > Tez > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > listinfo/kubuntu-users ---------------------------------- Jeff Yowell jeff_yowell at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mangg at yahoo.com Mon Dec 4 01:56:21 2006 From: mangg at yahoo.com (Joseph) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:56:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20061204015621.82036.qmail@web56110.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello Jeff, Sure you can buy an Apple but generally you will get a higher price tag vs Intel/Amd alternatives. Good news is you have a ton of choices. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport for some examples. Thanks, J Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:47:05 -0600 From: Jeff Yowell Subject: Re: new computer To: belred at gmail.com, Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Message-ID: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Get a Mac - any PCI-based Mac (G3 or G4) will work. From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 02:43:45 2006 From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:43:45 -0800 Subject: What happened to us.archive.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> I've been attempting all day to get to this repository, but it keeps timing out. Is it alive or D.O.A., and need to be changed to something else? Thanks -- Rodney D. Myers Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. 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Also works under Windows and Linux. > Plays those codecs you spoke of and others. > > Actually, the Mac itself (out of the box) uses Unix, which is where > Linux was born. > > Hate to sound like a crusader, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever, > but you and others like you > get your info from heresay instead of facts. > > Please use the web to educate yourself, and save yourself some time > and (ultimately) frustration. > > Peace. > > Jeff > > > > * > * > ---------------------------------- > *Jeff Yowell* > ** > jeff_yowell at cox.net > > The web is exactly the the place where the hearsay comes from (and no disrespect taken). I just thought that because the w32codecs package contains dll's for the PC/Intel architecture that it won't work on the Mac. That opinion was also formed from the Ubuntu help page on Restricted Formats [1] I am also well aware that most of the packages on *ubuntu work as well on the Mac as on a PC, I have just heard or some cases that people need help installing Linux on a Mac. Let me also make clear that I have never use a Mac, let alone installed Linux on one, so what I'm saying is, exactly, hearsay. And that I'm also being informed by the information you are giving to me, and I thank you for that. Tez From hawkwind at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 02:49:59 2006 From: hawkwind at gmail.com (Cliff Wade) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:49:59 -0600 Subject: What happened to us.archive.ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> References: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> Message-ID: On 12/3/06, Rodney D. Myers wrote: > > I've been attempting all day to get to this repository, but it keeps > timing out. > > Is it alive or D.O.A., and need to be changed to something else? > > Thanks > > -- > Rodney D. Myers > Registered Linux User #96112 > ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: > 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a > little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. > Ben Franklin - 1759 > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > It's been down for a while. Just remove the us. portion and update again. You can also specify a certain mirror such as se. or some other country code. I personally use se. and I'm in the USA. Tremendous speeds for me. -- With kind regards, Cliff Wade (Hawkwind) Registered Linux User #362532 Registered Kubuntu User #331 http://seerofsouls.com http://linuxfordummies.org http://urpmi-addmedia.org IRC Channels (irc.freenode.net): #LFD #Kubuntu #Ulteo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Dec 4 02:56:37 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:56:37 +0000 Subject: What happened to us.archive.ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> References: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> Message-ID: <45738E65.9090307@blueyonder.co.uk> Rodney D. Myers wrote: > I've been attempting all day to get to this repository, but it keeps > timing out. > > Is it alive or D.O.A., and need to be changed to something else? > > Thanks > > us.archive.ubuntu.com is actually hosted at so that may be down. What I do is add a few different sources to my sources.list, I'm in the UK so I have, in order: fr.archive.ubuntu.com (because I get a good ping from them), then www.mirrorservice.org (a UK mirror), then gb.archive.ubuntu.com (which is actually the same as archive.ubuntu.com) I have the main ubuntu archive last to save on the ubuntu bandwidth, so apt will try the fr archive forst, then mirrorservice, and only if that fails it will go to the default ubuntu archive. I suggest you add some other sources to your sources.list to resolve the problem until mirror.mcs.anl.gov comes back online Tez From daniel at rimspace.net Mon Dec 4 02:43:48 2006 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:43:48 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" writes: > On Sunday 03 December 2006 05:54, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Daniel Pittman who wrote: > >> Serial mice have never really been possible to autodetect > > Is it that difficult, when no mouse is detected, to launch a small app > that asks the user about his mouse, and the port he uses ? No idea; I don't develop the Ubuntu installer components. >> and, frankly, are no longer really a supported or interesting item. >> Directly connected and external dedicated hardware is almost >> uniformly PS/2 these days, which is automatically detected.  Other >> mice are USB and, again, are automatically detected -- and hot-plug >> capable -- out of the box. > > There are millions of them still living in the wilds, specially in the > poor third world where we tend to recycle and reuse old junk from the > first world; most of the computers I help maintain at the kid's school > are 486s or P1s. > > So is Kubuntu only for the all-new-hardware elite only? No, but older hardware is not so well supported in favor of better modern hardware. A better place to ask these questions would be of the developers, and the mechanism for that is likely a bug report on the installer or LiveCD component. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 03:15:50 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:15:50 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87psb1nyvq.fsf@rimspace.net> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: On 12/3/06, Daniel Pittman wrote: > "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" writes: > > On Sunday 03 December 2006 05:54, my mailbox was graced by a missive > > from Daniel Pittman who wrote: > > > >> Serial mice have never really been possible to autodetect > > > > Is it that difficult, when no mouse is detected, to launch a small app > > that asks the user about his mouse, and the port he uses ? > > No idea; I don't develop the Ubuntu installer components. If udev can't find a mouse, there isn't a mouse there that can be used by the installer. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if your mouse is there, if it's weird and unsupported, then it's not going to work. Besides, a little keyboarding never hurt anybody... -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Mon Dec 4 03:19:29 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:19:29 -0500 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> <739BD971-E131-4A04-AF91-0F12B051EBBC@cox.net> <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <457393C1.4090902@optonline.net> Tez wrote: >Jeff Yowell wrote: > > >>Somebody I want to be a "they" or one of the ones with the "general >>feeling." I think I'll be rich and powerful then. >> >>I have Ubuntu running on a PowerBook G4 and everything works. >> >>The whole idea behind Linux is that it is platform independent. >> >> >> > >Yes, Linux is platform independent, it'll run on pretty much anything. I >was just saying what I've heard and asking if it was true. I don't have >a Mac so I don't know. >But it is true that packages like w32codecs (and maybe flash, I don't >know) don't work on the Mac hardware, but, as I say, I don't have a Mac, >so I don't know. > >Tez > > > > Flash works fine on a mac. I used to have a nifty little iBook, ran OSX mostly, ran lotso FOSS with fink, but also ran Gentoo on it for a bit (what was I thinking?!). That little machine was awesome...wish I still had it...it was stolen. tony From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Mon Dec 4 03:26:54 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:26:54 -0500 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> <739BD971-E131-4A04-AF91-0F12B051EBBC@cox.net> <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4573957E.4060908@optonline.net> Jeff Yowell wrote: > > > Actually, the Mac itself (out of the box) uses Unix, which is where > Linux was born. Well, Macs run an OS loosely built upon BSD, as I understand, which, like Linux, is also ¨Unix-based¨. But to say they run Unix is not exactly accurate, I don´t think. > > Hate to sound like a crusader, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever, > but you and others like you > get your info from heresay instead of facts. > > Please use the web to educate yourself, and save yourself some time > and (ultimately) frustration. Wait a minute...avoid hearsay? use the internet to educate yourself? I don´t get it... Crikey, I could sit all day and read Micro$lop FUD on the internet and it wouldn´t make me a bit wiser... Yes, there are many opportunities to educate oneself online, but if one comes to the internet without enough discretion separate the wheat from the chaff, to discern hearsay from higher learning, FUD from fact, one could very likely end up worse off than better. Therefore, I would say, educate yourself BEFORE you try to surf the internet...or something like that. peace tony > Peace. > > Jeff > > From stevenp500 at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 4 02:23:26 2006 From: stevenp500 at bellsouth.net (Steven Pasternak) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:23:26 -0500 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4573869E.6090808@bellsouth.net> Tez wrote: > Jeff Yowell wrote: > >> Get a Mac - any PCI-based Mac (G3 or G4) will work. >> * >> * >> ---------------------------------- >> *Jeff Yowell* >> ** >> jeff_yowell at cox.net >> >> >> > > I've heard that getting Linux to run on a Mac can be difficult, any > truth in that? > Also, if you get a Mac, things like w32codecs to play (the evil) wma/v > format won't work on Mac, > the general feeling is that Linux runs best on PC hardware. > > Tez > > > How 'bout the new intel macs? How well does linux work on those? -Steven From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 04:04:40 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:04:40 -0800 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <4573869E.6090808@bellsouth.net> References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> <4573869E.6090808@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On 12/3/06, Steven Pasternak wrote: > Tez wrote: > > Jeff Yowell wrote: > > > >> Get a Mac - any PCI-based Mac (G3 or G4) will work. > >> * > >> * > >> ---------------------------------- > >> *Jeff Yowell* > >> ** > >> jeff_yowell at cox.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > I've heard that getting Linux to run on a Mac can be difficult, any > > truth in that? > > Also, if you get a Mac, things like w32codecs to play (the evil) wma/v > > format won't work on Mac, > > the general feeling is that Linux runs best on PC hardware. > > > > Tez > > > > > > > How 'bout the new intel macs? How well does linux work on those? According to a friend of mine: really well. He put it on a Mac Pro and hasn't had a problem yet. I don't know which distro he used though. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Mon Dec 4 10:35:56 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:35:56 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <200612040735.56998.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Sunday 03 December 2006 23:43, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Daniel Pittman who wrote: > A better place to ask these questions would be of the developers, and > the mechanism for that is likely a bug report on the installer or LiveCD > component. A bug report already exists, files over two years ago..... Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Mon Dec 4 10:43:39 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:43:39 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <200612040743.39536.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Monday 04 December 2006 00:15, my mailbox was graced by a missive from "Lord Sauron" who wrote: > If udev can't find a mouse, there isn't a mouse there that can be used > by the installer.  Simple as that. No, but once again it can be the signal to ask the user what kind of mouse he has, and on what port; Mandrake does it. > It doesn't matter if your mouse is there, if it's weird and > unsupported, then it's not going to work. Serial mouse weird and unsupported ? > Besides, a little keyboarding never hurt anybody... Do you want Kubunto to spread to the masses of Windows users, or do you want it to remain closed to all but keyboarding geeks ? Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From raphink at ubuntu.com Mon Dec 4 11:20:44 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:20:44 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com> On 12/4/06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > As in any change, there are good and bad points; I am trying to understand > better the reasons behind some of those, because this will help me decide if > I can live with what I'm not used to for now, or not. > This is about innovation. A few things change but the whole thing is still quite the same. > I have been toying with Linux since Slackware 2.0, a looong time ago, and I > started using Mandrake as my only desktop OS some years back, in the days of > Mdk 6.1, whenever this was. > > And I had never before met a /media/ mounting dir; must be a new thing. > > > "Raphaël Pinson" wrote: > > > You can read about Linux hierarchy > > standards on this page: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ , To try and be a bit more specific (and save you some search), here is an abstract from FHS 2.3: [quote] 3.11. /media : Mount point for removeable media 3.11.1. Purpose This directory contains subdirectories which are used as mount points for removeable media such as floppy disks, cdroms and zip disks. Historically there have been a number of other different places used to mount removeable media such as /cdrom, /mnt or /mnt/cdrom. Placing the mount points for all removeable media directly in the root directory would potentially result in a large number of extra directories in /. Although the use of subdirectories in /mnt as a mount point has recently been common, it conflicts with a much older tradition of using /mnt directly as a temporary mount point. [/quote] > "Henri Girard" who wrote: > > > i didn't like sudo (and still don't like it) but they are so many > > advantages with kub that i forget this "backward"... > As a side note, for people who don't like to prepend sudo before all there admin commands, there are ways to get permanent administrator privileges without having to set a password for root (which is not recommended): * sudo -i : this option makes you root with your own password. You are logged as root, your home directory becomes /root (unless you changed ~root home in /etc/password). `sudo -i` is the equivalent for `sudo su -` or `sudo su - root` if you will. Note that combined with the -u switch ─ used to execute as another user ─ this can allow you to switch to another user account with your own password (provided you have the proper rights for that). For example, `sudo -i -u john` will have you log as user john. * sudo -s : this is a recommended option for a permanent administration shell. You become root, but you keep your own settings and home directory. sudo allows a great management of users rights on systems, allowing to set administrative privileges for some users on some machines and some commands. You can then allow some users to execute a few commands as root, without given the root password to everybody. See the sudoers manual for more infos on it (or man:/sudoers in Konqueror). Regards, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians From mike_po at streamyx.com Mon Dec 4 14:50:59 2006 From: mike_po at streamyx.com (michaelpo@myjaring.net) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:50:59 +0800 Subject: cisco aironet 350 In-Reply-To: <457435B0.6040209@streamyx.com> References: <457435B0.6040209@streamyx.com> Message-ID: <457435D3.9020506@streamyx.com> Hi, I have tried both ubuntu 6.06 and kubuntu 6.06 Why only kubuntu can connect using cisco? How to make ubuntu recognise cisco? How do I set such that kubuntu will connect to wifi automatically once login? From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Mon Dec 4 17:28:53 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:28:53 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> Message-ID: <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> Just to add my 2 cents worth... I recently switched to Kubuntu coming from years of mandrake/mandriva. My hand was forced to switch after a seriously bad Mandriva 2007 install (your mileage may vary). Kubuntu got a serious 'wow' reaction. Very nice. I'm really not keen on the whole 'sudo' thing. On a single user machine I can see how this would be the cat's pajamas. On a multi-user machine I think it's just plain bad user management. For every one who argues sudo is safer than logging on as root, I reply it's just as easy to blindly type sudo when ever there's a problem (which you'll get used to in a hurry because the fingers always type faster than the brain can follow). But I can 'tweak' the system to fit my view of the world, it's not a big deal. Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions that are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out there's no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked install. OpenOffice requires java but there is no java dependency in apt. Now granted, OO works without java installed, but without it OO takes forrreeevvvverr to start. I mean seriously long, to the point most users will either given up on it or clicked the icon a few more times to be sure. Installing j2re fixed it up pronto, but that's beside the point. Now I realize that Ubuntu can't put a dependency on java in OO, but the OO config does have a 'no use java' option. So the OO package should at least go that route, or at least have the smarts to see if java is installed or available first. (new to deb packaging, so I don't know how it all fits together). I really miss the 'service' command from redhat based distros. Near as I can tell nothing more than a simple bash script is needed to 'simulate' this command on deb based distros. It would be a nice transitional tool that would make moving between distros easier. I don't understand why the bash 'tab auto complete' feature is commented out. It's extremely useful and user friendly (especially on a new system were not all files are where you've come to expect them). Having to turn it on after install seems rather unfriendly. The theme, fonts, icons are absolutely smashing! This the first distro to come close to my 'personal' preferences and I didn't have to go about the system tweaking eye candy settings to get things back to usable. I would have prefered kwrite over kate as the default text editor (kate is far better for working on projects, but mostly I just want to work on a file at a time). I like that changing the system is more hands on config file editing. Mandriva gui tools were nice when they worked, but more often than not you needed to hand edit the config files anyway, and then you risked having the gui tool stomp all over your changes. I also like that I can depend on 'other' gui tools like the KDE config tools to do the same job now. It's a good shift in strategy in my opinion, although I think new users will prefer to see more how-tos using the standard desktop config tools to do these things rather than hand editing config files. Apt-get is sooo much better than Mandriva update but there seem to be several 'update' tools in the menus, with slightly different interfaces. Adding the extra repositories should have been a no brainer but it actually took a fair bit of googling to get straight what goes where. I'm still not entirely sure I've got all of them the way I want. Spent far to much time learning that the 'login window preferences' only applied to gdm. Probably because for starters, it only works if you logged in through gdm (and dies silently if you don't). Kubuntu should take a wee bit more time ensuring that the kdm login manager and menu items are in sync. Now if only someone could find a way to add a Kubuntu theme to kdm so that it integrates with the kde login manager instead of bypassing it! Great work Kubuntu! Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From nalon at terra.com.br Mon Dec 4 17:51:56 2006 From: nalon at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Alexandre_Nalon?=) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:51:56 -0200 Subject: Touchpad Message-ID: <200612041551.57038.nalon@terra.com.br> Greetings, I have been using Kubuntu Dapper for some time now, and there are some things that don't work quite as expected. I got to solve a lot of them searching the list archives, wikis and sites, but couldn't solve all of them. These are not big problems, but small things that I would like to see working. To begin with: I have a Toshiba Satellite A75, and, although the touchpad works, two things are not as expected: I can't configure vertical and horizontal scrolling; and I can't "double-tap" to emulate mouse click and hold. I tried installing ksynaptics, but it doesn't seem to have any effect at all. I tried manually changing xorg.conf (it solved a lot of problems, but not those). The relevant part of the file follows below. Any hint of what to do will be appreciated: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "event" Option "LeftEdge" "120" Option "RightEdge" "830" Option "TopEdge" "120" Option "BottomEdge" "650" Option "FingerLow" "14" Option "FingerHigh" "15" Option "MaxTapTime" "80" Option "MaxTapMove" "50" Option "ClickTime" "0" Option "MaxDoubleTapTime" "100" Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75" Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" Option "MinSpeed" "0.45" Option "MaxSpeed" "0.75" Option "AccelFactor" "0.020" Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed" "200" Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed" "200" Option "UpDownScrolling" "1" Option "CircularScrolling" "1" Option "CircScrollDelta" "0.1" Option "CircScrollTrigger" "2" Option "SHMConfig" "on" EndSection -- José Alexandre Nalon nalon at terra.com.br From jjesse at iserv.net Mon Dec 4 18:12:39 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:12:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > > Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions > that > are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out > there's > no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked > install. > I work on the documentation team so my interst is always sparked when I hear comments like. Are the how-tos and screen captures part of the wiki/system documentation or are they found elsewhere on the net? If they are in the system documentation for Kubuntu showing Gnome usuage please let me know what docs/sections this is so we can get this fixed for Feisty. Thanks -- Jonathan Jesse From thcsp at online.no Mon Dec 4 19:28:18 2006 From: thcsp at online.no (Thomas Sperre) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:28:18 +0100 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <200612031746.35037.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612031746.35037.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200612042028.19046.thcsp@online.no> Måndag 04 desember 2006 01:46 skreiv Grumpy_Penguin: > Currently there is no significant advantage to using a 64 bit OS although > this will rapidly change This is just not true, it depends completely on what you are trying to do with the computer. If you want to run memory intensive calculations then yes a 64 bit OS is a significant advantage, in fact the only thing that makes it possible if meory requirement exceeds approx 2-3 Gb (depending on application memory management issues). From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 19:39:30 2006 From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:39:30 -0800 Subject: What happened to us.archive.ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> References: <20061203184345.06ecbbb9@rodney-desktop> Message-ID: <20061204113930.5cbeb99f@rodney-desktop> Thanks gents, removed that from the source.list, and things work better -- Rodney D. Myers Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Dec 4 19:40:30 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:40:30 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200612041240.30302.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 04 December 2006 11:12, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions > > that > > are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out > > there's > > no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked > > install. > > > I work on the documentation team so my interst is always sparked when I > hear comments like. Are the how-tos and screen captures part of the > wiki/system documentation or are they found elsewhere on the net? If they > are in the system documentation for Kubuntu showing Gnome usuage please > let me know what docs/sections this is so we can get this fixed for > Feisty. > > Thanks If I can put n my 2cents USB device detction is not all that great I'm still trying to get my USB printer to work > > -- > Jonathan Jesse From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Dec 4 19:57:53 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:57:53 -0700 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <200612042028.19046.thcsp@online.no> References: <200612031746.35037.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612042028.19046.thcsp@online.no> Message-ID: <200612041257.53415.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 04 December 2006 12:28, Thomas Sperre wrote: > Måndag 04 desember 2006 01:46 skreiv Grumpy_Penguin: > > Currently there is no significant advantage to using a 64 bit OS although > > this will rapidly change > > This is just not true, it depends completely on what you are trying to do > with the computer. If you want to run memory intensive calculations then > yes a 64 bit OS is a significant advantage, in fact the only thing that > makes it possible if meory requirement exceeds approx 2-3 Gb (depending on > application memory management issues). Give me a real world example. I admit high end video processing will eat up a lot of RAM and processor time ...but my copy of mymia is still optimized for a 32 bit processor it runs somewhat faster on my 64 bit box [2.2 gig Athlon 64 X2 but not a lot From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 20:09:50 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:09:50 -0800 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <200612041257.53415.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612031746.35037.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612042028.19046.thcsp@online.no> <200612041257.53415.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: On 12/4/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > On Monday 04 December 2006 12:28, Thomas Sperre wrote: > > Måndag 04 desember 2006 01:46 skreiv Grumpy_Penguin: > > > Currently there is no significant advantage to using a 64 bit OS although > > > this will rapidly change > > > > This is just not true, it depends completely on what you are trying to do > > with the computer. If you want to run memory intensive calculations then > > yes a 64 bit OS is a significant advantage, in fact the only thing that > > makes it possible if meory requirement exceeds approx 2-3 Gb (depending on > > application memory management issues). > Give me a real world example. > I admit high end video processing will eat up a lot of RAM and processor > time ...but my copy of mymia is still optimized for a 32 bit processor it > runs somewhat faster on my 64 bit box [2.2 gig Athlon 64 X2 but not a lot Real world example? Okay, you asked for it. Calculating fractals (higher precision is a huge help) and high-precision computations (ie. running a calculator). The advantages of a 64-bit processor only really begin to kick in when you start to use stuff like compilers, image editors, video processing, and other things like that. Basically it's just the stuff which involves a bunch of numbers. F/I, I used 64-bit technology to increase my precision in calculating the values of Pascal's Triangle by two (switching from a 32-bit integer to a 64-bit integer - I was very happy with myself.) True, the 64-bit integers still work on 32-bit platforms, but: o each addition/subtraction operation takes 2x as long o each multiplication/division operation takes 4x as long I love 64-bit technology. It's the coolest thing to me. I love reving up my Athlon 64, beating out some 64-bit code in KDevelop, and watching it fly. However, if you're just going to read your email and browse the web, I'd go with something like a AMD Athlon64, not one of the X2's. The 64's are cheap, insanely effective, and they're not prone to most of the problems that Intel chips are (my dad had to write a CPU bugfix for a Intel Pentium II that would give numbers when you divided by zero!). In addition, if you go with some of the really cool ultra-low profile, ultra-cool ITX/Nano ITX/Mini ATX boards/chips they're coming out with, you can save a lot of power. They're cool. (no pun intended) -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Mon Dec 4 20:16:53 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:16:53 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <200612041240.30302.grumpypenguin@qwest.net[0612!04.134042.ViJC]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200612041240.30302.grumpypenguin@qwest.net[0612!04.134042.ViJC]> Message-ID: <20061204201653.M21041@littlefish.ca> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:40:30 -0700, Grumpy_Penguin wrote > If I can put n my 2cents USB device detction is not all that great > I'm still trying to get my USB printer to work I had the same problem? Cups found the printer and set it up fine but anything sent to the printer just sat in the queue. Spent far too much time googling cups errors. In the end all I did was remove the printer from cups then add it new and it works fine now. I think it might have been a cups upgrade that did it. For reasons I haven't found an answer for yet, some users can plug in usb drives just fine, others get a 'malformed url' message. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Mon Dec 4 20:20:40 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:20:40 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> Message-ID: <20061204202040.M76239@littlefish.ca> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:12:39 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > > > > Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions > > that > > are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out > > there's > > no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked > > install. > > > > I work on the documentation team so my interst is always sparked > when I hear comments like. Are the how-tos and screen captures part > of the wiki/system documentation or are they found elsewhere on the > net? If they are in the system documentation for Kubuntu showing > Gnome usuage please let me know what docs/sections this is so we can > get this fixed for Feisty. On closer review, those probably came from else where on the net. Google doesn't discriminate between kubuntu and ubunutu near as well as I'd like. Guess I'll have to get in the habit of searching the Kubuntu documentation first before extending my reach. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From garryknight at gmx.net Mon Dec 4 20:36:00 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:36:00 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <87wt58mlcr.fsf@rimspace.net> <200612040743.39536.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Monday 04 December 2006 00:15, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from "Lord Sauron" who wrote: > >> If udev can't find a mouse, there isn't a mouse there that can be used >> by the installer.  Simple as that. > > No, but once again it can be the signal to ask the user what kind of mouse > he has, and on what port; Mandrake does it. I tried installing Mandriva 2007 recently. It had no problem recognising my bog-standard 3-button PS/2 mouse during installation. Once it booted to the KDE desktop, the mouse didn't work. I've been using Linux since 1997 so I had a few clues on what to do about it. I wonder how a new user would get on. -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Dec 4 20:42:51 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:42:51 -0700 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: <200612041257.53415.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200612041342.51135.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 04 December 2006 13:09, Lord Sauron wrote: > On 12/4/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > > On Monday 04 December 2006 12:28, Thomas Sperre wrote: > > > Måndag 04 desember 2006 01:46 skreiv Grumpy_Penguin: > > > > Currently there is no significant advantage to using a 64 bit OS > > > > although this will rapidly change > > > > > > This is just not true, it depends completely on what you are trying to > > > do with the computer. If you want to run memory intensive calculations > > > then yes a 64 bit OS is a significant advantage, in fact the only thing > > > that makes it possible if meory requirement exceeds approx 2-3 Gb > > > (depending on application memory management issues). > > > > Give me a real world example. > > I admit high end video processing will eat up a lot of RAM and processor > > time ...but my copy of mymia is still optimized for a 32 bit processor it > > runs somewhat faster on my 64 bit box [2.2 gig Athlon 64 X2 but not a lot > > Real world example? Okay, you asked for it. > > Calculating fractals (higher precision is a huge help) and > high-precision computations (ie. running a calculator). The > advantages of a 64-bit processor only really begin to kick in when you > start to use stuff like compilers, image editors, video processing, > and other things like that. Basically it's just the stuff which > involves a bunch of numbers. F/I, I used 64-bit technology to > increase my precision in calculating the values of Pascal's Triangle > by two (switching from a 32-bit integer to a 64-bit integer - I was > very happy with myself.) True, the 64-bit integers still work on > 32-bit platforms, but: > o each addition/subtraction operation takes 2x as long > o each multiplication/division operation takes 4x as long > > I love 64-bit technology. It's the coolest thing to me. I love > reving up my Athlon 64, beating out some 64-bit code in KDevelop, and > watching it fly. However, if you're just going to read your email and > browse the web, I'd go with something like a AMD Athlon64, not one of > the X2's. The 64's are cheap, insanely effective, and they're not > prone to most of the problems that Intel chips are (my dad had to > write a CPU bugfix for a Intel Pentium II that would give numbers when > you divided by zero!). In addition, if you go with some of the really > cool ultra-low profile, ultra-cool ITX/Nano ITX/Mini ATX boards/chips > they're coming out with, you can save a lot of power. They're cool. > (no pun intended) yes I know I have a Mini ITX form factor box running puppy linux and sometimes dsl-linux > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 20:58:13 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:58:13 -0800 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <200612041342.51135.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612041257.53415.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612041342.51135.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: Very cool. I'm too cheap to have many many many computers. I just have my Desktop, my laptop, and my little iMac G3 (it's so nice...) oh, and the server. I know it's a lot, but I rationalize that I'm allowed to since I'm a programmer and it's sort of my job. On 12/4/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > On Monday 04 December 2006 13:09, Lord Sauron wrote: > > On 12/4/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > > > On Monday 04 December 2006 12:28, Thomas Sperre wrote: > > > > Måndag 04 desember 2006 01:46 skreiv Grumpy_Penguin: > > > > > Currently there is no significant advantage to using a 64 bit OS > > > > > although this will rapidly change > > > > > > > > This is just not true, it depends completely on what you are trying to > > > > do with the computer. If you want to run memory intensive calculations > > > > then yes a 64 bit OS is a significant advantage, in fact the only thing > > > > that makes it possible if meory requirement exceeds approx 2-3 Gb > > > > (depending on application memory management issues). > > > > > > Give me a real world example. > > > I admit high end video processing will eat up a lot of RAM and processor > > > time ...but my copy of mymia is still optimized for a 32 bit processor it > > > runs somewhat faster on my 64 bit box [2.2 gig Athlon 64 X2 but not a lot > > > > Real world example? Okay, you asked for it. > > > > Calculating fractals (higher precision is a huge help) and > > high-precision computations (ie. running a calculator). The > > advantages of a 64-bit processor only really begin to kick in when you > > start to use stuff like compilers, image editors, video processing, > > and other things like that. Basically it's just the stuff which > > involves a bunch of numbers. F/I, I used 64-bit technology to > > increase my precision in calculating the values of Pascal's Triangle > > by two (switching from a 32-bit integer to a 64-bit integer - I was > > very happy with myself.) True, the 64-bit integers still work on > > 32-bit platforms, but: > > o each addition/subtraction operation takes 2x as long > > o each multiplication/division operation takes 4x as long > > > > I love 64-bit technology. It's the coolest thing to me. I love > > reving up my Athlon 64, beating out some 64-bit code in KDevelop, and > > watching it fly. However, if you're just going to read your email and > > browse the web, I'd go with something like a AMD Athlon64, not one of > > the X2's. The 64's are cheap, insanely effective, and they're not > > prone to most of the problems that Intel chips are (my dad had to > > write a CPU bugfix for a Intel Pentium II that would give numbers when > > you divided by zero!). In addition, if you go with some of the really > > cool ultra-low profile, ultra-cool ITX/Nano ITX/Mini ATX boards/chips > > they're coming out with, you can save a lot of power. They're cool. > > (no pun intended) > yes I know I have a Mini ITX form factor box running puppy linux and sometimes > dsl-linux > > > > -- > > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Mon Dec 4 21:40:58 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:40:58 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612040743.39536.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612041840.59103.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Monday 04 December 2006 17:36, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Garry Knight who wrote: > Once it booted to the > KDE desktop, the mouse didn't work. I've been using Linux since 1997 so I > had a few clues on what to do about it. I wonder how a new user would get > on. I had a similar funny problem with a serial mouse woth Mandriva 2006: the mouse would work every second boot. Removing the Kudzu hardware prog solved that problem. Cheers, Ron. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From xaviermasr at ya.com Mon Dec 4 22:50:15 2006 From: xaviermasr at ya.com (xavier mas) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:50:15 +0100 Subject: new in kubuntu Message-ID: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> Hi all, I am a new user in Kubuntu coming from Mandriva after six years with it. So far, I think Kubuntu is fast and reliable, tough don't like so much the missing superuser and sudo commad. However, I have a questions about it that is: how can I see in Konqueror the directory tree? I have only my home directory and media directory in it. Also I'd like to know if there is any work around to create a superuser. Cheers, -- Xavier Mas From dgvirtual at akl.lt Mon Dec 4 22:49:04 2006 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:49:04 +0200 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! Message-ID: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Today i did mkswap on my root partition mkswap /dev/hda5 Dont ask me why because i already feel very stupid. And of course the system no longer boots. Could someone adwise me on how to recover from this disaster? HELP !!!! -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Dec 4 23:08:08 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:08:08 -0700 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: <200612041342.51135.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200612041608.09105.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 04 December 2006 13:58, Lord Sauron wrote: > Very cool. I'm too cheap to have many many many computers. I just > have my Desktop, my laptop, and my little iMac G3 (it's so nice...) > oh, and the server. I know it's a lot, but I rationalize that I'm > allowed to since I'm a programmer and it's sort of my job. not me just a Linux whore ;-) > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 23:19:32 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:19:32 -0800 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: <200612041608.09105.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612041342.51135.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612041608.09105.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: On 12/4/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > On Monday 04 December 2006 13:58, Lord Sauron wrote: > > Very cool. I'm too cheap to have many many many computers. I just > > have my Desktop, my laptop, and my little iMac G3 (it's so nice...) > > oh, and the server. I know it's a lot, but I rationalize that I'm > > allowed to since I'm a programmer and it's sort of my job. > not me just a Linux whore ;-) How 'bout "IT Enthusiast." People make money just knowing how to work Linux, you know. They make money off of me, come to think of it. I pay for managed hosting by people that use Red Hat Linux. I'm paying their IT guys to maintain the software and hardware for me. Linux is a skill you can make money from if you want. I use it because it's perfect for programmer nerds like myself. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 23:22:13 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:22:13 -0800 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! In-Reply-To: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: I don't know about recovery, but you'll need to reformat your drive to begin using Linux again. There are ways to recover data, assuming that the swap partition was not written to. However, I'm not familiar with any recovery techniques, though I do know that most of them start with a Live CD. On 12/4/06, Donatas G. wrote: > Today i did mkswap on my root partition > > mkswap /dev/hda5 > > Dont ask me why because i already feel very stupid. And of course the system > no longer boots. Not as stupid as I felt after unmerging GCC on Gentoo. Dang, that was nasty... -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From kaj at haulrich.net Mon Dec 4 23:41:20 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:41:20 +0100 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> Message-ID: <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> On Monday 04 December 2006 23:50, xavier mas wrote: > Hi all, > > I am a new user in Kubuntu coming from Mandriva after six years > with it. So far, I think Kubuntu is fast and reliable, tough > don't like so much the missing superuser and sudo commad. > However, I have a questions about it that is: how can I see in > Konqueror the directory tree? I have only my home directory and > media directory in it. Also I'd like to know if there is any work > around to create a superuser. About Konqueror : In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains directories to hide from view in Konqueror. You can edit that file - but don't delete it. For example : sudo mc (to open Midnight Commander) then F4 to edit and F2 to save. But don't delete the file ! Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 00:05:01 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:05:01 -0300 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <200612042105.01861.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Monday 04 December 2006 20:41, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Kaj Haulrich who wrote: > In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains > directories to hide from view in Konqueror.  You can edit that > file - but don't delete it. I have no such file, either in / or in ~ Is this a new thing in 6.10 ? Cheers, Ron. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From thcsp at online.no Tue Dec 5 00:44:04 2006 From: thcsp at online.no (Thomas Sperre) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:44:04 +0100 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612042105.01861.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> <200612042105.01861.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> Tysdag 05 desember 2006 01:05 skreiv Renaud (Ron) Olgiati: > On Monday 04 December 2006 20:41, my mailbox was graced by a missive > > from Kaj Haulrich who wrote: > > In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains > > directories to hide from view in Konqueror.  You can edit that > > file - but don't delete it. > > I have no such file, either in / or in ~ > > Is this a new thing in 6.10 ? > Yes, IIRC. From gismo at iol.ie Tue Dec 5 01:09:27 2006 From: gismo at iol.ie (Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:09:27 +0000 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> On Sun 3 December 2006 18:31, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > On Saturday 02 December 2006 23:28, you wrote: > > It started earlier. See my previous posts about a week ago. I > > solved the problem going back to the debs from Jonathan Riddell > > KDE 3.5.5 (they have a "1" in the end, rather than a "2"). All > > works fine now. I suggest that maybe the upstream (Ubuntu > > official) debs didn't get the changes Jonathan applied to these > > packages. > > This solved it. I went to > > http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/hal , > > downloaded the package hal_0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1_i386.deb , installed > it and restarted the computer. Voila! My icons are back; now > everything works like it should. > > Thank you everybody for your input; now let's hope the developers > fix the official hal package as soon as possible . . . > > - Urtzi - > > -- > Urtzi Jauregi > Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani > Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana > Slovenija > > Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 > e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Thanks for the fix worked great.....that bug was annoying me steve From garryknight at gmx.net Tue Dec 5 01:17:09 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:17:09 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612040743.39536.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612041840.59103.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > I had a similar funny problem with a serial mouse woth Mandriva 2006: the > mouse would work every second boot. > > Removing the Kudzu hardware prog solved that problem. Thanks for that. If I ever install Mandriva again, I'll try it. -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 02:37:24 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:37:24 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612041840.59103.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612042337.24339.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Monday 04 December 2006 22:17, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Garry Knight who wrote: > > Removing the Kudzu hardware prog solved that problem. > Thanks for that. If I ever install Mandriva again, I'll try it. More precisely, stopping the Kudzu service at startup cured it. Cheers, Ron. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From garryknight at gmx.net Tue Dec 5 02:48:24 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:48:24 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612041840.59103.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612042337.24339.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > More precisely, stopping the Kudzu service at startup cured it. In other words, remove it from /etc/rcX.d, yes? [Or I could lose my geek cred and use one of those GUI things...] -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From vayu at sklinks.com Tue Dec 5 02:59:07 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:59:07 -0800 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> References: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> Message-ID: <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> Is it the 18.2 versions that don't work? When looking in synaptic, it shows I have 18.2 installed, can I just install 18.1 over that? What about some of the other HAL libs that also show 18.2, do I have to track down everything 18.2 and replace with 18.1? I did a dist-upgrade to get those packages. After that my system would lock up after 10 min. I played around with a bunch of stuff, finally got it working (one of those I don't know what I did right times, possibly unrelated beryl problem) except that the automount is now worse than before. Before it wouldn't show an icon, but I could go to /media and see the device there. If it was a memory card I could then right click to safely remove, now the devices don't even appear in /media. Also the initial dialog that would come up to open still comes up but closes and does nothing when I click ok. lsusb shows the device, I don't know what to check beyond that. I have no access any more. What would be the /dev/?? to try to manually mount? $ lsusb Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0781:9219 SanDisk Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Steve wrote: > On Sun 3 December 2006 18:31, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > >> On Saturday 02 December 2006 23:28, you wrote: >> >>> It started earlier. See my previous posts about a week ago. I >>> solved the problem going back to the debs from Jonathan Riddell >>> KDE 3.5.5 (they have a "1" in the end, rather than a "2"). All >>> works fine now. I suggest that maybe the upstream (Ubuntu >>> official) debs didn't get the changes Jonathan applied to these >>> packages. >>> >> This solved it. I went to >> >> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/hal , >> >> downloaded the package hal_0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1_i386.deb , installed >> it and restarted the computer. Voila! My icons are back; now >> everything works like it should. >> >> Thank you everybody for your input; now let's hope the developers >> fix the official hal package as soon as possible . . . >> >> - Urtzi - >> >> -- >> Urtzi Jauregi >> Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani >> Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana >> Slovenija >> >> Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 >> e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si >> > > Thanks for the fix worked great.....that bug was annoying me > steve > > From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 04:12:35 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:12:35 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612042337.24339.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612050112.35410.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Monday 04 December 2006 23:48, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Garry Knight who wrote: > > More precisely, stopping the Kudzu service at startup cured it. > In other words, remove it from /etc/rcX.d, yes? > [Or I could lose my geek cred and use one of those GUI things...] Probably lost mine, used MCC => Services to stop it ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 04:43:51 2006 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:43:51 +0200 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> <200612042105.01861.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> Message-ID: <4574F907.2050008@gmail.com> It is in / directory and it is hidden. Use Konqueror and set it to view hidden files then you will find it. And I have found very few persons who likes this concept... Sinclair Thomas Sperre wrote: > Tysdag 05 desember 2006 01:05 skreiv Renaud (Ron) Olgiati: >> On Monday 04 December 2006 20:41, my mailbox was graced by a missive >> >> from Kaj Haulrich who wrote: >>> In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains >>> directories to hide from view in Konqueror. You can edit that >>> file - but don't delete it. >> I have no such file, either in / or in ~ >> >> Is this a new thing in 6.10 ? >> > > Yes, IIRC. > From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 04:51:23 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:51:23 -0300 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4574F907.2050008@gmail.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> <4574F907.2050008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612050151.24130.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 01:43, my mailbox was graced by a missive from "O. Sinclair" who wrote: > >>> In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains > >>> directories to hide from view in Konqueror. You can edit that > >>> file - but don't delete it. > >> I have no such file, either in / or in ~ > >> Is this a new thing in 6.10 ? > > Yes, IIRC. > It is in / directory and it is hidden. Use Konqueror and set it to view > hidden files then you will find it. O No its is Not ! At least not in 6.06. Cheers, Ron. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 06:11:24 2006 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:11:24 +0200 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612050151.24130.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> <4574F907.2050008@gmail.com> <200612050151.24130.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <45750D8C.5040302@gmail.com> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 01:43, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from "O. Sinclair" who wrote: > >>>>> In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains >>>>> directories to hide from view in Konqueror. You can edit that >>>>> file - but don't delete it. > >>>> I have no such file, either in / or in ~ >>>> Is this a new thing in 6.10 ? > >>> Yes, IIRC. > >> It is in / directory and it is hidden. Use Konqueror and set it to view >> hidden files then you will find it. > > O No its is Not ! > > At least not in 6.06. > I thought the query was regarding 6.10? In 6.06 I don't remember having the problem? But in 6.10 I assure you it is in / and hidden. Sinclair From jgomezdans at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 07:53:36 2006 From: jgomezdans at gmail.com (Jose Gomez-Dans) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:53:36 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> References: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <91d218430612042353w26635095m325567f65faa4a11@mail.gmail.com> Hi! On 12/5/06, Vayu wrote: > Is it the 18.2 versions that don't work? When looking in synaptic, it > shows I have 18.2 installed, can I just install 18.1 over that? What > about some of the other HAL libs that also show 18.2, do I have to track > down everything 18.2 and replace with 18.1? Well, I replaced the three packages from the KDE 3.5.5 hal directory in the dapper repository, and things worked fine after that. Hopefully, a newer version with this bug fixed will be available soon through dist-upgrade :) Cheers, J From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Dec 5 08:29:56 2006 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:29:56 +0200 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! In-Reply-To: References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <45752E04.1070306@akl.lt> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On 12/4/06, Donatas G. wrote: >> Today i did mkswap on my root partition >> >> mkswap /dev/hda5 Lord Sauron wrote: > I don't know about recovery, but you'll need to reformat your drive to > begin using Linux again. There are ways to recover data, assuming > that the swap partition was not written to. However, I'm not familiar > with any recovery techniques, though I do know that most of them start > with a Live CD. Has anyone ever been in a situation like that and recovered any information from the hard disk? I do have some info that I do not have a backup of.... Would be very bad to loose it... Donatas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRXUuA/DtAb8AVdgrAQKpDQP5AdyieUwB6LLF3XULVcFwYYnJloMhffiX SLn2WVwZhD3yq0cyMZdBYoo0HclrSNhKhy4CrU6HgrVSGpOQHzuAjS+SXBHaceNk 2jBikLTNqOfJI9VikW4hefQiLHQBLofGsRaAuge2i1hTBtCqhIxhZEV6zs34wB2e rGj1iKF94pg= =6wON -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Tue Dec 5 09:17:11 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:17:11 +0100 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> References: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200612051017.12639.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 03:59, Vayu wrote: > Is it the 18.2 versions that don't work? When looking in synaptic, it > shows I have 18.2 installed, can I just install 18.1 over that? What > about some of the other HAL libs that also show 18.2, do I have to track > down everything 18.2 and replace with 18.1? Vayu, I just installed that one package and everything worked fine. Yes, apt complains about downgrading, but carries it out anyway. I needed no other changes. - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From angusprune at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 09:43:01 2006 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:43:01 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061204202040.M76239@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <20061204202040.M76239@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <18cdd8230612050143v5d79fa79w92aa467be3e62a35@mail.gmail.com> On 04/12/06, Scott Mazur wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:12:39 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > > > > > > Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions > > > that > > > are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out > > > there's > > > no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked > > > install. > > > > > > > I work on the documentation team so my interst is always sparked > > when I hear comments like. Are the how-tos and screen captures part > > of the wiki/system documentation or are they found elsewhere on the > > net? If they are in the system documentation for Kubuntu showing > > Gnome usuage please let me know what docs/sections this is so we can > > get this fixed for Feisty. > > On closer review, those probably came from else where on the net. Google > doesn't discriminate between kubuntu and ubunutu near as well as I'd like. > Guess I'll have to get in the habit of searching the Kubuntu documentation > first before extending my reach. This is something that I've noticed aswell. I guess its part and parcel of being the little sister but I find the lack of *k*ubuntu material on the net extremely annoying. I keep being tempted to switch to ubuntu just for what feels like the extra support. But from everything I've experienced so far it just seems KDE fits my style far better. (Only started using Linux properly with 6.06). James From gismo at iol.ie Tue Dec 5 10:18:06 2006 From: gismo at iol.ie (Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:18:06 +0000 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> References: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200612051018.06405.gismo@iol.ie> On Tue 5 December 2006 02:59, Vayu wrote: > Is it the 18.2 versions that don't work? Yes you need to download : http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/hal/hal_0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1_i386.deb I simply downloaded the 1 file to a directory then right clicked on it scrolled down to kubuntu package manager and selected the install option.......it complains about installing an older package but works fine. there may be better ways to do this, there are certainly other ways to do this as there always is in linux.I think that's one of the reasons I like the OS so much. Steve From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Tue Dec 5 12:48:50 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:48:50 -0500 Subject: change log-in page Message-ID: <45756AB2.9030606@optonline.net> For some reason, no change I make to the log-in page from the login manager works. Where can I find it to manually alter it? If it makes any difference, I am using the Ichthux version of Kubuntu, and the Ichthux log in page is stuck in it´s particular configuration. I´m trying to change to an option that lists users (like ye olde Microslop log in page) to facilitate log in for the Mrs., who is pretty knew to Linux, and my 7 year old linux veteran daughter(although, she, like me, is more accustomed to Fedora). tony From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Dec 5 13:12:57 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:12:57 +0000 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45750D8C.5040302@gmail.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> <4574F907.2050008@gmail.com> <200612050151.24130.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45750D8C.5040302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45757059.2080904@blueyonder.co.uk> O. Sinclair wrote: > I thought the query was regarding 6.10? In 6.06 I don't remember having > the problem? But in 6.10 I assure you it is in / and hidden. > > Sinclair > > The file .hidden is in / (the root of the FS), this was a new feature introduced in Edgy (6.10). For the people that don't like it, me being one, you can edit the file, either in a term or open your favourite text editor as root like, kdesu kate /.hidden You will also be pleased to know that this feature will be removed in the next release of kubuntu (7.04 Feisty Fawn). Tez From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Dec 5 14:51:06 2006 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:51:06 +0200 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <45752E04.1070306@akl.lt> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45752E04.1070306@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200612051651.06603.dgvirtual@akl.lt> OK, so here is the miracle: I took the computer to THE linux expert of lithuania, who took a live cd slax, boot it with option slaw noswap (so that it would not touch the swap partitions), then ran fsck.ext3 /dev/hda5 and corrected all the errors found. Then the system booted and we could not detect any corruption. So my data, and - so far it seems so - the programs are saved. Now there is a serious problem in ubuntu - or maybe mount command. Look at this: root at bala:~# fdisk -l Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 243 1951866 b W95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 * 244 1293 8434125 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda3 1294 9729 67762170 5 Extended /dev/hda5 1294 3251 15727603+ 83 Linux /dev/hda6 3252 3382 1052226 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda7 3383 9729 50982246 b W95 FAT32 ## here you can see that the swap partition is /dev/hda6 (correct) and the root partition is /dev/hda5 And now the output of mount: root at bala:~# mount /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 type vfat (rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000) /dev/hda2 on /media/hda2 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=0222) /dev/hda7 on /media/hda7 type vfat (rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dg) /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) ### so here the root partition is, suddenly, /dev/hda6 - which is INCORRECT! I will file a bug report regarding this problem. Donatas antradienis 05 gruodis 2006 10:29, Donatas G. rašė: > > On 12/4/06, Donatas G. wrote: > >> Today i did mkswap on my root partition > >> > >> mkswap /dev/hda5 > > Lord Sauron wrote: > > I don't know about recovery, but you'll need to reformat your drive to > > begin using Linux again. There are ways to recover data, assuming > > that the swap partition was not written to. However, I'm not familiar > > with any recovery techniques, though I do know that most of them start > > with a Live CD. > > Has anyone ever been in a situation like that and recovered any > information from the hard disk? > > I do have some info that I do not have a backup of.... Would be very bad > to loose it... > > Donatas -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From ofarfan at cirma.org.gt Tue Dec 5 14:58:54 2006 From: ofarfan at cirma.org.gt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Farf=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:58:54 -0600 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! In-Reply-To: <45752E04.1070306@akl.lt> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45752E04.1070306@akl.lt> Message-ID: <4575892E.5080103@cirma.org.gt> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at lobraun.de Tue Dec 5 15:02:06 2006 From: mail at lobraun.de (Lothar Braun) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:02:06 +0100 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612051651.06603.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45752E04.1070306@akl.lt> <200612051651.06603.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200612051602.10240.mail@lobraun.de> Hi, On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:51, Donatas G. wrote: > root at bala:~# mount > /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) > proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) > varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) > procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) > devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw) > /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 type vfat (rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000) > /dev/hda2 on /media/hda2 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=0222) > /dev/hda7 on /media/hda7 type vfat (rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000) > binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dg) > /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat > (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharse >t=utf8) > > ### so here the root partition is, suddenly, /dev/hda6 - which is > INCORRECT! > > I will file a bug report regarding this problem. Did you do a normal startup or did you boot into single user mode? Which parameters did you pass to the kernel? - Lothar -- Manchmal verliert man, manchmal gewinnen die anderen. http://const-cast.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 16:06:58 2006 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:06:58 -0700 Subject: update available or not? Message-ID: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> More update weirdness... (Why is it that update issues seem to consume so much reflector bandwidth? Or is it just me imagining it?) So... 0. Using dapper. 1. I am running amarok 1.4.3. 2. Adept Notifier tells me that there are three updates available [is there some way to discover from which apt source it thinks they are available??] 3. The three packages to be updated are all amarok related 4. For example, current amarok package is: 2.1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 and the candidate updtae package is: 2.1.4.4-0kubuntu2 5. Open synaptic to perform the update 6. Execute "Mark all upgrades" 7.The status bar of synaptic says: 18509 packages listed, 1416 installed, 0 broken, 0 to install/upgrade. 0 to remove 8. If I select "amarok" and check its properties, synaptic says that it's installed and upgradeable. What's going on? Can anyone please explain in plain English? From mike_po at streamyx.com Tue Dec 5 13:30:13 2006 From: mike_po at streamyx.com (michaelpo@myjaring.net) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:30:13 +0800 Subject: cisco aironet 350 In-Reply-To: <457435D3.9020506@streamyx.com> References: <457435B0.6040209@streamyx.com> <457435D3.9020506@streamyx.com> Message-ID: <45757465.4050105@streamyx.com> Hi, I have tried both ubuntu 6.06 and kubuntu 6.06 Why only kubuntu can connect using cisco? How to make ubuntu recognise cisco aironet 350 wifi card? How do I set such that kubuntu will connect to wifi automatically once login? Is ubuntu and kubuntu 6.10 edgy better at recognise the cisco card? From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Tue Dec 5 16:53:48 2006 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:53:48 -0700 Subject: Bookmark toolbar in Konqueror References: Message-ID: After rebooting, all Konqueror windows that I open do not have a bookmark toolbar. I look at ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/webbrowsing Under the line [Main Window Settings Toolbar bookmarkToolBar] I see Hidden=false This entry makes me expect to see a bookmark toolbar. On one of the Konqueror windows that I opened (which does not have a bookmark toolbar), I go to Settings | Toolbars and select Bookmark Toolbar. Now the bookmark toolbar appears on all subsequent Konqueror windows that I open. If I change the setting in webbrowsing to Hidden=true, I still get a bookmark toolbar when I open a new Konqueror window. Konqueror is not using the profile to decide whether to display the bookmark toolbar. The file ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc contains the entry [KonqMainWindow Toolbar bookmarkToolBar] with Hidden=false If I change this line to Hidden=true and open a new Konqueror window, the bookmark toolbar is not displayed. If I restore it, the toolbar does appear. So this is the file Konqueror reads, not the profile. Apparently, this Hidden entry is changing at some time other than when I change it using Settings | Toolbars. Sure enough, if I exit the session and log in again, the line Hidden=false is gone and the bookmark toolbar does not appear. I guess that when KDE saves the session, it forgets to save the state of Hidden for the bookmarkToolBar. Looks like a bug. I was still wondering what the Hidden entry in the profile is for. Since the Konqueror windows that get restored when I log in all have the bookmark toolbar, I figured that Konqueror might be reading the profile during start up. However, when I change Hidden to true and exit/log in, I still get the bookmark toolbars on the restored Konqueror windows. I haven't found any situation in which Konqueror is reading the Hidden setting from the profile. Weird. -- Jeffrey Barish From rbmorse at comcast.net Tue Dec 5 17:08:11 2006 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:08:11 -0700 Subject: update available or not? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612051008.11992.rbmorse@comcast.net> If you attempt to update the package(s) using updater rather than Synaptic, do they? RBM On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:06, D. R. Evans wrote: > More update weirdness... (Why is it that update issues seem to consume > so much reflector bandwidth? Or is it just me imagining it?) > > So... > > 0. Using dapper. > 1. I am running amarok 1.4.3. > 2. Adept Notifier tells me that there are three updates available [is > there some way to discover from which apt source it thinks they are > available??] > 3. The three packages to be updated are all amarok related > 4. For example, current amarok package is: 2.1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 > and the candidate updtae package is: 2.1.4.4-0kubuntu2 > 5. Open synaptic to perform the update > 6. Execute "Mark all upgrades" > 7.The status bar of synaptic says: 18509 packages listed, 1416 > installed, 0 broken, 0 to install/upgrade. 0 to remove > 8. If I select "amarok" and check its properties, synaptic says that > it's installed and upgradeable. > > What's going on? Can anyone please explain in plain English? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From vayu at sklinks.com Tue Dec 5 17:24:36 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:24:36 -0800 Subject: Mounting of USB devices broken in Dapper? - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612051018.06405.gismo@iol.ie> References: <200612031931.35950.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200612050109.27883.gismo@iol.ie> <4574E07B.8060607@sklinks.com> <200612051018.06405.gismo@iol.ie> Message-ID: <4575AB54.9070500@sklinks.com> Thanks all, that did it for me too. Something interesting, it doesn't work entirely with beryl. It does pop up the dialog asking what I want to do. It will then open a konqueror window. It also shows the device in /media. It won't show the icon on the desktop. It works perfectly with kwin. Much improved over the 18.2 version. Steve wrote: > On Tue 5 December 2006 02:59, Vayu wrote: > >> Is it the 18.2 versions that don't work? >> > Yes you need to download : > http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/hal/hal_0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1_i386.deb > I simply downloaded the 1 file to a directory then right clicked on it > scrolled down to kubuntu package manager and selected the install > option.......it complains about installing an older package but works > fine. > there may be better ways to do this, there are certainly other ways to > do this as there always is in linux.I think that's one of the reasons > I like the OS so much. > Steve > > From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Dec 5 17:50:11 2006 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:50:11 +0200 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612051602.10240.mail@lobraun.de> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200612051651.06603.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200612051602.10240.mail@lobraun.de> Message-ID: <200612051950.11974.dgvirtual@akl.lt> antradienis 05 gruodis 2006 17:02, Lothar Braun rašė: > Hi, > > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:51, Donatas G. wrote: > > root at bala:~# mount > > /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) > > proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > > /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > > varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) > > varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) > > procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) > > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) > > devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > > lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw) > > /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 type vfat (rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000) > > /dev/hda2 on /media/hda2 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=0222) > > /dev/hda7 on /media/hda7 type vfat (rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000) > > binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > > /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dg) > > /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat > > (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iochar > >se t=utf8) > > > > ### so here the root partition is, suddenly, /dev/hda6 - which is > > INCORRECT! > > > > I will file a bug report regarding this problem. > > Did you do a normal startup or did you boot into single user mode? Which > parameters did you pass to the kernel? I did a normal startup, as before the catastrophe. And, I had the same situation before the catastrophe - that is why, in part, I did what I did to my / partition (since hda6 was /, hda5 must be swap, i thought). By the way, this is not the first time I get this problem of mixed up partition names. I had during dapper installation on a different computer. I was doing it into a computer with windows and debian, and I have played with partitions a lot. So in the Dapper installer partitioner I saw the partitions numbered in a wrong way. I guest the right one by it"s size at that time. -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From brymelvin at melvinart.com Tue Dec 5 18:39:13 2006 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:39:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bookmark toolbar in Konqueror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49167.96358.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jeffrey Barish wrote: > After rebooting, all Konqueror windows that I open > do not have a bookmark > toolbar. I look at > > ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/webbrowsing > > Under the line > > [Main Window Settings Toolbar bookmarkToolBar] > > I see > > Hidden=false > > This entry makes me expect to see a bookmark > toolbar. On one of the > Konqueror windows that I opened (which does not have > a bookmark toolbar), I > go to Settings | Toolbars and select Bookmark > Toolbar. Now the bookmark > toolbar appears on all subsequent Konqueror windows > that I open. If I > change the setting in webbrowsing to Hidden=true, I > still get a bookmark > toolbar when I open a new Konqueror window. > Konqueror is not using the > profile to decide whether to display the bookmark > toolbar. > > The file ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc contains > the entry > > [KonqMainWindow Toolbar bookmarkToolBar] > > with > > Hidden=false > > If I change this line to Hidden=true and open a new > Konqueror window, the > bookmark toolbar is not displayed. If I restore it, > the toolbar does > appear. So this is the file Konqueror reads, not > the profile. Apparently, > this Hidden entry is changing at some time other > than when I change it > using Settings | Toolbars. Sure enough, if I exit > the session and log in > again, the line Hidden=false is gone and the > bookmark toolbar does not > appear. I guess that when KDE saves the session, it > forgets to save the > state of Hidden for the bookmarkToolBar. Looks like > a bug. > > I was still wondering what the Hidden entry in the > profile is for. Since > the Konqueror windows that get restored when I log > in all have the bookmark > toolbar, I figured that Konqueror might be reading > the profile during start > up. However, when I change Hidden to true and > exit/log in, I still get the > bookmark toolbars on the restored Konqueror windows. > I haven't found any > situation in which Konqueror is reading the Hidden > setting from the > profile. Weird. > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > When a new user is established,,,and then runs Konqueror the first time it gets the setup from that profile, Bryann ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From diddledan at googlemail.com Tue Dec 5 18:44:19 2006 From: diddledan at googlemail.com (Daniel 'Fremen' Llewellyn) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:44:19 +0000 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612051950.11974.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200612051651.06603.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200612051602.10240.mail@lobraun.de> <200612051950.11974.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <6b4a3100612051044k7ba6a20dn47c22f9b9c8f9869@mail.gmail.com> On 05/12/06, Donatas G. wrote: > I did a normal startup, as before the catastrophe. And, I had the same > situation before the catastrophe - that is why, in part, I did what I did to > my / partition (since hda6 was /, hda5 must be swap, i thought). > > By the way, this is not the first time I get this problem of mixed up > partition names. I had during dapper installation on a different computer. I > was doing it into a computer with windows and debian, and I have played with > partitions a lot. So in the Dapper installer partitioner I saw the partitions > numbered in a wrong way. I guest the right one by it"s size at that time. it seems to me, though I may be wrong, that hda6 is indeed your / when using the partition table as presented because you created hda5 (the swap) BEFORE creating the hda6 (/), but put it at the end of the free space. there is a limit in the partitioner that it doesn't reorder the entries in the partition table so that they are in the order presented on the disk. This means that you could have a primary partition at the end of your disk (say hda3 for instance) and the extended partition sandwiched between hda3 and the primaries earlier in the disk, which would give you something like the following in the partitioner: | hda1 | hda2 | extended ( hda6 : hda7 : hda5 ) | hda3 -- Regards, Daniel "Fremen" Llewellyn From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Dec 5 18:48:46 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:48:46 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: > > Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no visible > reason: Impression: You've taken a look at Kubuntu, and decided that it's "departed from Linux standards" without any attempt to google and see why all this was done. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Dec 5 18:47:20 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:47:20 -0400 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: Ian Rose wrote: > That can result in all Firefox windows opening maximised - including the > download manager and the save dialog. The way I discovered is to drag > the Firefox window edges to the screen edges (maximising manually, NOT > by using the maximise button) - the middle window control button will > then change from "maximise" to the "restore" icon. Then close Firefox > and next time you open it, it starts maximised. > afaik, dragging the window edges until the icon switches to "maximized" is identical to maximizing it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Dec 5 18:45:45 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:45:45 -0400 Subject: apt-get References: <200612020850.12505.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: claydoh wrote: > On Saturday 02 December 2006 8:35 am, Chiphazard56 at aol.com wrote: >> hi all >> my on going problem >> rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction no such file or directory >> rm /var/lib/rpm/_db* no such file or directory >> rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock no such file or directory >> and i still can't update ,this is a fresh installation ??? >> chip hazard >>> >>>ninja at kubuntu:~$ rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock >>>rm: remove write-protected regular empty file > `/var/cache/apt/archives/lock'? y >>>rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/lock': Permission denied > > Try using sudo to remove the offending file: > sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock > > The other files you are trying to remove aren't there to begin with so you > probably can ignore the other commands I suspect that he's trying to run dpkg and/or rpm as himself, instead of using sudo. Getting rid of the lock isn't the real problem... -- derek From ian at themagictree.co.uk Tue Dec 5 20:11:59 2006 From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:11:59 +0000 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ian Rose wrote: > > >> That can result in all Firefox windows opening maximised - including the >> download manager and the save dialog. The way I discovered is to drag >> the Firefox window edges to the screen edges (maximising manually, NOT >> by using the maximise button) - the middle window control button will >> then change from "maximise" to the "restore" icon. Then close Firefox >> and next time you open it, it starts maximised. >> >> > afaik, dragging the window edges until the icon switches to "maximized" is > identical to maximizing it. > Indeed, I would have thought so too - but for some reason Firefox in Edgy doesn't remember the maximised state if you use the maximise button, only if you manually drag it to this state does it remember it when you next open it - at least for me (and the original poster). A very bizarre bug that had me very frustrated until I discovered this workaround! -- Ian From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 20:28:14 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:28:14 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612051728.14656.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:48, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Derek Broughton who wrote: > > Just finished installing Kubuntu 6.06; first impressions: > > Impression, Kubuntu has departed from Linux standards, for no visible > > reason: > Impression:  You've taken a look at Kubuntu, and decided that it's > "departed from Linux standards" without any attempt to google and see why > all this was done. Wrong. I Googled, found bugger all, and took my query to this (and some other) list in the hope some kind soul would give me an intelligent answer. Dont put yourself out, others have already replied. Cheers, Ron. -- You need only two tools, a hammer and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use the hammer. If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From diddledan at googlemail.com Tue Dec 5 21:21:39 2006 From: diddledan at googlemail.com (Daniel 'Fremen' Llewellyn) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:21:39 +0000 Subject: new computer In-Reply-To: References: <5A88EE10-435D-4AFD-B367-0AB8351D7012@cox.net> <45737212.4040305@blueyonder.co.uk> <739BD971-E131-4A04-AF91-0F12B051EBBC@cox.net> <45737C2F.8040104@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <6b4a3100612051321s3406c763pe3ad3fc0c7929c90@mail.gmail.com> On 04/12/06, Jeff Yowell wrote: > Actually, the Mac itself (out of the box) uses Unix, which is where Linux > was born. actually, Linux was born on Minix which was a mini unix-"like" environment, just as Linux is unix"like" -- Regards, Daniel "Fremen" Llewellyn From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 21:35:10 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:35:10 -0300 Subject: NFS support ? Message-ID: <200612051835.10441.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Having installed Kubuntu 6.06, I now have to configure it. One problem I met is mounting the NFS shares on the other boxes of the LAN; When I try this with System Settings => Disks & Filesystems => New... and choose a NFS type I get a warning message that this file system is currently unavailable on the kernel. How do I make it available, I need to access my data ;-3( TIA, Ron. -- You need only two tools, a hammer and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use the hammer. If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From garryknight at gmx.net Tue Dec 5 22:26:56 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:26:56 +0000 Subject: NFS support ? References: <200612051835.10441.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > One problem I met is mounting the NFS shares on the other boxes of the > LAN You need the nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common packages. You can install them with apt-get, dpkg, adept or synaptic. The quickest way is to do this in a terminal: sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server sudo apt-get install nfs-common -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Tue Dec 5 22:49:26 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:49:26 -0600 Subject: change log-in page In-Reply-To: <45756AB2.9030606@optonline.net[0612!05.064858.KpSC]> References: <45756AB2.9030606@optonline.net[0612!05.064858.KpSC]> Message-ID: <20061205223423.M50105@littlefish.ca> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:48:50 -0500, anthony baldwin wrote > For some reason, no change I make to the log-in page from the login > manager works. > Where can I find it to manually alter it? > > If it makes any difference, I am using the Ichthux version of > Kubuntu, and the Ichthux log in page is stuck in it´s particular configuration. > I´m trying to change to an option that lists users (like ye olde > Microslop log in page) to facilitate log in for the Mrs., who is > pretty knew to Linux, and my 7 year old linux veteran > daughter(although, she, like me, is more accustomed to Fedora). Sounds to me like the classic kdm theme problem. The kdm config file (/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc) contains an option to set a 'theme' for the kdm login manager. Kubuntu, like nearly every other distro, pre-builds this with a configuration for a Kubuntu login theme. The problem is, the KDE login manager preferences tool has no way to change or remove the theme. In fact the login preferences tool seems to have no knowlege of themes at all. The theme over-rides your choices for login screen. So no matter what you change, the login screen is always going to look like the Kubutu default. To disable the theme, you have to manually edit the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file. Find the line that says 'UseTheme=true' and change it to 'UseTheme=false'. You'll probably have to logout and restart the xserver to make this current (ctrl-alt-backspace). This is not a Kubuntu specific problem. I see it in other distros as well. It's a sad state. I too want to have icons for users on the login page (my kids know what icon to click to login into the kids user without having to type it in). I'm also sick and tired of having to manually turn themes off in the kdmrc file. Does anyone have any more information as to why: A) The KDE login manager preferences has no ablilty change the theme? B) Why there's even a theme option available to kdm if there's no (A)? C) Why themes don't respect the 'list user' options? Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Dec 5 22:52:53 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:52:53 +0000 Subject: update available or not? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk> D. R. Evans wrote: > More update weirdness... (Why is it that update issues seem to consume > so much reflector bandwidth? Or is it just me imagining it?) > > So... > > 0. Using dapper. > 1. I am running amarok 1.4.3. > 2. Adept Notifier tells me that there are three updates available [is > there some way to discover from which apt source it thinks they are > available??] > 3. The three packages to be updated are all amarok related > 4. For example, current amarok package is: 2.1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 > and the candidate updtae package is: 2.1.4.4-0kubuntu2 > 5. Open synaptic to perform the update > 6. Execute "Mark all upgrades" > 7.The status bar of synaptic says: 18509 packages listed, 1416 > installed, 0 broken, 0 to install/upgrade. 0 to remove > 8. If I select "amarok" and check its properties, synaptic says that > it's installed and upgradeable. > > What's going on? Can anyone please explain in plain English? > > Ff you run the command: apt-cache policy [package] (no need for sudo) it will tell you the current installed version, the latest version available and what versions are available from which source. You can also try doing the update from the command line to see if there are actually any updates: sudo apt-get upgrade Tez From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Tue Dec 5 22:52:59 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:52:59 -0600 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45757059.2080904@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!05.071309.QpSC]> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050144.04149.thcsp@online.no> <4574F907.2050008@gmail.com> <200612050151.24130.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45750D8C.5040302@gmail.com> <45757059.2080904@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!05.071309.QpSC]> Message-ID: <20061205225259.M12002@littlefish.ca> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:12:57 +0000, Tez wrote > The file .hidden is in / (the root of the FS), this was a new feature > introduced in Edgy (6.10). > For the people that don't like it, me being one, you can edit the > file, either in a term or open your favourite text editor as root > like, kdesu kate /.hidden You will also be pleased to know that this > feature will be removed in the next release of kubuntu (7.04 Feisty > Fawn). Yeh!!!!!!!!! One more item to remove from my post install tweak list. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Tue Dec 5 23:26:22 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:26:22 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> Message-ID: <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:12:39 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > > > > Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions > > that > > are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out > > there's > > no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked > > install. > > > > I work on the documentation team so my interst is always sparked > when I hear comments like. Are the how-tos and screen captures part > of the wiki/system documentation or are they found elsewhere on the > net? If they are in the system documentation for Kubuntu showing > Gnome usuage please let me know what docs/sections this is so we can > get this fixed for Feisty. OK, I think this is part of the problem (for example): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories The Ubuntu wiki is smack full of Kubuntu information. Google can't help but confuse the two on searches. In fact if you search the Ubuntu wiki for the word 'Kubuntu' it would be easy to assume there's no Kubuntu wiki at all. Hmmm... On further inspection of all the Kubuntu information available on the Ubuntu wiki, I'm kind of wondering just where the Kubuntu wiki is heading in the first place? Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Dec 6 01:14:41 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:14:41 -0500 Subject: I applied mkswap on root partition: help! - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <6b4a3100612051044k7ba6a20dn47c22f9b9c8f9869@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612050049.06325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200612051950.11974.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <6b4a3100612051044k7ba6a20dn47c22f9b9c8f9869@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612052014.43350.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:44, Daniel 'Fremen' Llewellyn wrote: > On 05/12/06, Donatas G. wrote: > > I did a normal startup, as before the catastrophe. And, I had the same > > situation before the catastrophe - that is why, in part, I did what I did > > to my / partition (since hda6 was /, hda5 must be swap, i thought). > > > > By the way, this is not the first time I get this problem of mixed up > > partition names. I had during dapper installation on a different > > computer. I was doing it into a computer with windows and debian, and I > > have played with partitions a lot. So in the Dapper installer partitioner > > I saw the partitions numbered in a wrong way. I guest the right one by > > it"s size at that time. > > it seems to me, though I may be wrong, that hda6 is indeed your / when > using the partition table as presented because you created hda5 (the > swap) BEFORE creating the hda6 (/), but put it at the end of the free > space. there is a limit in the partitioner that it doesn't reorder the > entries in the partition table so that they are in the order presented > on the disk. This means that you could have a primary partition at the > end of your disk (say hda3 for instance) and the extended partition > sandwiched between hda3 and the primaries earlier in the disk, which > > would give you something like the following in the partitioner: > | hda1 | hda2 | extended ( hda6 : hda7 : hda5 ) | hda3 But this doesn't explain why mount/mtab and fdisk provide conflicting information. I once deleted a partition that had a lot of data. I paniced too much to realize it at the time, but it is probably because the device I associated it with looking at the output of df or at fstab was different than what fdisk thought it was. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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It's like the KDE I use has broken away from the KDE applications that are installed. Is there menu cleanup utility or something I can run to restore my KDE menus? I know it's not right to have a 'lost and found' menu item, so just what the heck went wrong? Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Wed Dec 6 02:22:31 2006 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:22:31 -0500 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? Message-ID: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> When Konqueror displays a web page with multiple paragraphs of text, why do small yellow squares sometimes pop onto the screen with single letters? This is a "feature" of Konqueror that means something. Can anyone help me to understand? Thanks, Bob -- .net is microsofts perverted version of a java networked environment uglified for windows-specific crap From Neckenrode at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 02:23:11 2006 From: Neckenrode at gmail.com (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:23:11 -0500 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 21:22, Robert Tilley wrote: > When Konqueror displays a web page with multiple paragraphs of text, why do > small yellow squares sometimes pop onto the screen with single letters? If you press the Control key without any other key you will receive these popups. If you then use the letter that is in the box, you will be able to follow that link without using your mouse. > > This is a "feature" of Konqueror that means something. Can anyone help me > to understand? These are quite handy for people with disabilities, minimizing mouse usage, or just plain old handy navigation. > > > Thanks, Bob you are welcome, Nathan > -- > .net is microsofts perverted version of a java networked > environment uglified for windows-specific crap From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Wed Dec 6 06:11:43 2006 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:11:43 +0100 Subject: Minimizing a window per keyboard instead of mouse Message-ID: <45765F1F.4030302@bluewin.ch> Having to rely on the mouse as the only means to minimize a window is something I find quite annoying. A keyboard combo of Alt+Spacebar+Underline works well e.g. in Win98, but not in Linux. Am I overlooking something? Any help will be appreciated. jdh _________________ kubuntu 6.06 LTS on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone help > > me to understand? > > These are quite handy for people with disabilities, minimizing mouse usage, > or just plain old handy navigation. Correct. If you want to disable them, see here: http://tinyurl.com/ykou76 (It's the second tip from the bottom) HTH, bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Highlight Minimize, select the Custom radio button below, and press the keycombo you want to do the minimizing. Apply/OK, and enjoy! -- .:Richard Johnson .:nixternal at ubuntu.com .:ubuntu.com .:kubuntu.com .:edubuntu.com .:xubuntu.com .:http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 6 07:26:13 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:26:13 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk> Scott Mazur wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:12:39 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > >>> Many of the Kubuntu how-tos show screen captures and contain instructions >>> that >>> are very specifically Gnome usage. It took me some time to figure out >>> there's >>> no system->administration menu in kde, and it wasn't just a borked >>> install. >>> >>> >> >> I work on the documentation team so my interst is always sparked >> when I hear comments like. Are the how-tos and screen captures part >> of the wiki/system documentation or are they found elsewhere on the >> net? If they are in the system documentation for Kubuntu showing >> Gnome usuage please let me know what docs/sections this is so we can >> get this fixed for Feisty. >> > > OK, I think this is part of the problem (for example): > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories > > The Ubuntu wiki is smack full of Kubuntu information. Google can't help but > confuse the two on searches. In fact if you search the Ubuntu wiki for the > word 'Kubuntu' it would be easy to assume there's no Kubuntu wiki at all. > > Hmmm... On further inspection of all the Kubuntu information available on the > Ubuntu wiki, I'm kind of wondering just where the Kubuntu wiki is heading in > the first place? > > Scott > > The Kubuntu wiki is the Ubuntu wiki, both are one and the same, anything on the Ubuntu wiki will also be on the Kubuntu wiki and vice-verse. Tez From tchize at myrealbox.com Wed Dec 6 08:39:07 2006 From: tchize at myrealbox.com (Tchize) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:39:07 +0100 Subject: Minimizing a window per keyboard instead of mouse In-Reply-To: <45765F1F.4030302@bluewin.ch> References: <45765F1F.4030302@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <457681AB.8080702@myrealbox.com> System settings (known as kde control panel) -> keyboard and mouse -> keyboard shortcuts -> window -> minimize Personally i like to play with winkey + wsxc (or zsxc on qwery layout) to handle respectively move to previous desktop, maximize, minimize, move to next desktop ^^ ) You can change the shortcut to fit your win98 style needs john d. herron a écrit : > Having to rely on the mouse as the only means to minimize a window is > something I find quite annoying. > A keyboard combo of Alt+Spacebar+Underline works well e.g. in Win98, > but not in Linux. > Am I overlooking something? Any help will be appreciated. > jdh > _________________ > kubuntu 6.06 LTS on > i586 w/ 512 MB > > > From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Dec 5 23:19:03 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:19:03 -0300 Subject: NFS support ? In-Reply-To: References: <200612051835.10441.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612052019.03518.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 19:26, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Garry Knight who wrote: > You need the nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common packages. You can install > them with apt-get, dpkg, adept or synaptic. The quickest way is to do this > in a terminal: > > sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server > sudo apt-get install nfs-common Many thanks, In between time I tried, and copied into /etc/fstab the relevant section of the fstab file of my former Mandrake 10.1 install, did a sudo mount -a, and lo and behold my nfs partitions are mounted. But quite frankly, I dont understand how it solved this problem ;-3( Interestingly enough the creation of the mounts did not work in Webmin either, but now that I have butchered fstab webmin recognizes them too. Cheers, Ron. -- You need only two tools, a hammer and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use the hammer. If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 08:59:01 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:59:01 +0200 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00612060059s512339aakea2ef10b1ec9cd1@mail.gmail.com> On 06/12/06, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 21:22, Robert Tilley wrote: > > When Konqueror displays a web page with multiple paragraphs of text, why do > > small yellow squares sometimes pop onto the screen with single letters? > If you press the Control key without any other key you will receive these > popups. If you then use the letter that is in the box, you will be able to > follow that link without using your mouse. > > > > This is a "feature" of Konqueror that means something. Can anyone help me > > to understand? > These are quite handy for people with disabilities, minimizing mouse usage, or > just plain old handy navigation. > > > > > > Thanks, Bob > you are welcome, > Nathan And to answer the question in the subject line: No, this is not specific to Kubuntu. This is a built-in feature on Konqueror in all KDE 3.x builds. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/linux.html http://english-lyrics.com/ From antonioricardo.correia at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 09:06:50 2006 From: antonioricardo.correia at gmail.com (arcorreia) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:06:50 +0000 Subject: kde apps missing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612060906.50931.antonioricardo.correia@gmail.com> Install kappfinder and run it. It should find most of your missing apps. I say it should because for some strange reason it doesn't find all of them and sometimes a reboot is needed for them to show up in the menus. I do also have gnome-desktop installed and oddly enough using the equivalent command in gnome (update-menus in the command line) finds both gnome and kde new apps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 09:28:20 2006 From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:28:20 +0800 Subject: kde apps missing? In-Reply-To: <20061206020231.M97934@littlefish.ca> References: <20061206020231.M97934@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612061728.21085.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:09, Scott Mazur wrote: > Just looking through the /usr/share/applications/kde directory. There > seems to be a number of applications in here that are missing from my KDE > menus. > > For instance kdmtheme.desktop (which should have shown up in the KDE > control center next to kdm.desktop) and kfind.desktop (which should show up > in Konqueror as a tool menu item). There's a bug in Edgy that causes the KDM Theme Manager not to show up beside the Login Manager in System Settings. You can still access it in KControl. Press Alt+F2, and type in "kcontrol". It will be under the System Administration group. Find, in Konqueror, is still there. You have to be viewing a directory (Konqueror in File Management mode/profile) to see it under the Tools menu. or you can press Ctrl+F. KFind is also in the K Menu, labeled as Find Files/Folders. From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Wed Dec 6 09:43:46 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:43:46 +0100 Subject: Oversized auxiliary file systems in Dapper; why? Message-ID: <200612061043.47056.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Hello everybody, When I want to check the available space on my hard disk, I get the following: urtzi at escher:~$ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 5.0G 3.5G 1.3G 74% / varrun 248M 88K 248M 1% /var/run varlock 248M 4.0K 248M 1% /var/lock udev 248M 140K 248M 1% /dev devshm 248M 0 248M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda3 64G 43G 18G 71% /home I am quite surprised by the four 248-MB filesystems. I have checked quite often, and these filsystems are never more than 1% full. How can I tweak the system to remove or make them smaller (I mean, does udev need 250 MB to work at all?)? Do I actually need all of them? If it has to be like that, I'd like to know how do I get in exchange for losing a whole GB of disk space! ;-) It just occurred to me: maybe these four systems are another way to display the swap partition? I have a 1 GB swap at /dev/hda2, but I can't see it here. Thanks in advance, - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From tchize at myrealbox.com Wed Dec 6 10:40:23 2006 From: tchize at myrealbox.com (Tchize) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:40:23 +0100 Subject: Oversized auxiliary file systems in Dapper; why? In-Reply-To: <200612061043.47056.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200612061043.47056.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <45769E17.3070305@myrealbox.com> Urtzi Jauregi a écrit : > Hello everybody, > > When I want to check the available space on my hard disk, I get the > following: > > urtzi at escher:~$ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 5.0G 3.5G 1.3G 74% / > varrun 248M 88K 248M 1% /var/run > varlock 248M 4.0K 248M 1% /var/lock > udev 248M 140K 248M 1% /dev > devshm 248M 0 248M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda3 64G 43G 18G 71% /home > > I am quite surprised by the four 248-MB filesystems. I have checked quite > often, and these filsystems are never more than 1% full. > You hardrive use is only represented by the lines having /dev/hda Those are mounted as tmpfs (type mount to get details on your mounts). Detailed documentation on what is tmpfs can be found here: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt, but average user don't need to read it. You just have to know that it's a temporary "in memory/swap" filseystem that grow and shrink to use only the memory required by it's current content. You are so using a bit more than 232K of memory for you tmpfs. Not a great deal. The "filesystem size" is just the maximum size the tmpfs can use. > How can I tweak the system to remove or make them smaller (I mean, does udev > need 250 MB to work at all?)? Do I actually need all of them? > Considering my previous paragraph, am not sure you want to tweak this :). Anyway, the default maximum size of a tmpfs is half of available RAM memory (swap excluded). however you can change it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs, just then read the doc about tmpfs before choosing a size. Does udev need 250M to work? not at all, but as tmpfs is not using less memory if you change it's maximum size, it's not big deal. Your udev currently use about 140k of memory. Do you need them? Well question is, do you need such volatile data stored on you hard disk and a script at startup to clean all the mess? Or do you prefer those volatile data to just die along with power off? > If it has to be like that, I'd like to know how do I get in exchange for > losing a whole GB of disk space! ;-) > It's stored only in RAM, no hd space used (except in swap if those little 140k get swapped out) > It just occurred to me: maybe these four systems are another way to display > the swap partition? I have a 1 GB swap at /dev/hda2, but I can't see it here. > To see your swap, don't use df, type cat /proc/swaps > Thanks in advance, > > - Urtzi - > > From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Wed Dec 6 10:51:22 2006 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:51:22 +0100 Subject: Oversized auxiliary file systems in Dapper; why? In-Reply-To: <45769E17.3070305@myrealbox.com> References: <200612061043.47056.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <45769E17.3070305@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200612061151.22703.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:40, Tchize wrote: > You hardrive use is only represented by the lines having /dev/hda > > Those are mounted as tmpfs (type mount to get details on your mounts). > Detailed documentation on what is tmpfs can be found here: [. . .] Tchize, Thank you for your informative answer. I'm glad to know that the 248 MB figure is the upper bound to fislesystem size, not acual usage! A few hundred actual KBs make much more sense. I think I'll not mess with the memory file systems then . . . Thank you again, - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Dec 6 10:16:56 2006 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:16:56 +1100 Subject: Oversized auxiliary file systems in Dapper; why? References: <200612061043.47056.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <877ix5jplz.fsf@rimspace.net> Urtzi Jauregi writes: > Hello everybody, > > When I want to check the available space on my hard disk, I get the > following: > > urtzi at escher:~$ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 5.0G 3.5G 1.3G 74% / > varrun 248M 88K 248M 1% /var/run > varlock 248M 4.0K 248M 1% /var/lock > udev 248M 140K 248M 1% /dev > devshm 248M 0 248M 0% /dev/shm > I am quite surprised by the four 248-MB filesystems. I have checked > quite often, and these filsystems are never more than 1% full. > > How can I tweak the system to remove or make them smaller (I mean, > does udev need 250 MB to work at all?)? Do I actually need all of > them? Yes, you need them, and you should just leave them alone, because... > If it has to be like that, I'd like to know how do I get in exchange > for losing a whole GB of disk space! ;-) ...you have not lost anything at all. Those are all memory and swap backed file systems, used to hold data that is useless after a reboot. The "size" is the maximum memory that can be allocated on them, and they really only use the memory they show as "Used." So, in this case you have around 229K of memory (and/or swap) used to provide these scratch areas and system management tools. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Wed Dec 6 11:30:24 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:30:24 -0300 Subject: Newbee question on desktop media icon. Message-ID: <200612060830.25485.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> When I put a CD in the CDROM reader, an icon appears on the desktop for that drive, giving me the option to open a file manager or whatever. When I right-click on the icon, and choose "Eject" to change the CD, I get an error mesage "Only Root can umount /dev/hdc from /media/cdrom0" Must I "sudo umount" in a konsole every time in order to change CD ? TIA, Ron. -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 11:35:10 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:35:10 +0200 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00612060335w5e243bbfuc6920d902dc1a5b1@mail.gmail.com> On 05/12/06, Ian Rose wrote: > Indeed, I would have thought so too - but for some reason Firefox in > Edgy doesn't remember the maximised state if you use the maximise > button, only if you manually drag it to this state does it remember it > when you next open it - at least for me (and the original poster). A > very bizarre bug that had me very frustrated until I discovered this > workaround! > It's not a bug- that's Firefox being the _size_ of a maximized window, but it's still not maximized from the window manager's perspective. Just try to maximize/ unmaximize it. See, it stays the same! The reason that you think that Fx is open maximized is that it's openin in the last unmaximized state it was in. If that happens to be the size of a maximized window, then so be it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/firefox.html http://english-lyrics.com/ From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Wed Dec 6 11:58:35 2006 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:58:35 +0000 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: <4576B06B.4060301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Ian Rose wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Ian Rose wrote: >> >> >> >>> That can result in all Firefox windows opening maximised - including the >>> download manager and the save dialog. The way I discovered is to drag >>> the Firefox window edges to the screen edges (maximising manually, NOT >>> by using the maximise button) - the middle window control button will >>> then change from "maximise" to the "restore" icon. Then close Firefox >>> and next time you open it, it starts maximised. >>> >>> >>> >> afaik, dragging the window edges until the icon switches to "maximized" is >> identical to maximizing it. >> >> > Indeed, I would have thought so too - but for some reason Firefox in > Edgy doesn't remember the maximised state if you use the maximise > button, only if you manually drag it to this state does it remember it > when you next open it - at least for me (and the original poster). A > very bizarre bug that had me very frustrated until I discovered this > workaround! > > And I found exactly the same thing. It took me a while to find out how to have the browser window maximised when Firefox was started. Yes I am using Edgy. Neil Winchurst From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Wed Dec 6 12:06:34 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:06:34 -0300 Subject: Other newbee question on desktop media icon. Message-ID: <200612060906.35337.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> In my configuration of Konqueror I have a key shortcut (F12) that opens the tty emulator. When I click on the desktop icon of a mounted media a Konqueror window opens. But the F12 key binding does not exist in this. ??????? TIA, Ron. -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 6 13:15:40 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:15:40 +0000 Subject: Newbee question on desktop media icon. In-Reply-To: <200612060830.25485.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612060830.25485.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <4576C27C.7050408@blueyonder.co.uk> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > When I put a CD in the CDROM reader, an icon appears on the desktop for that > drive, giving me the option to open a file manager or whatever. > > When I right-click on the icon, and choose "Eject" to change the CD, I get an > error mesage "Only Root can umount /dev/hdc from /media/cdrom0" > > Must I "sudo umount" in a konsole every time in order to change CD ? > > TIA, > > Ron. > -- > Make sure you're in the 'disk' group also that /etc/fstab has 'user' on the line with /dev/hdc Tez From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Wed Dec 6 13:55:02 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:55:02 -0300 Subject: Newbee question on desktop media icon. In-Reply-To: <4576C27C.7050408@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200612060830.25485.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4576C27C.7050408@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612061055.03086.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:15, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Tez who wrote: > Make sure you're in the 'disk' group > also that /etc/fstab has 'user' on the line with /dev/hdc Thanks, Ron. -- Those of you who think you know everything are annoying those of us who do. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From Neckenrode at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 13:49:05 2006 From: Neckenrode at gmail.com (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:49:05 -0500 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <880dece00612060059s512339aakea2ef10b1ec9cd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612060059s512339aakea2ef10b1ec9cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612060849.06530.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 03:59, Dotan Cohen wrote: > And to answer the question in the subject line: No, this is not > specific to Kubuntu. This is a built-in feature on Konqueror in all > KDE 3.x builds. > I realized after I clicked 'Send' that I had left that part of the question unanswered. Thanks for covering that. > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/linux.html > http://english-lyrics.com/ From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Dec 6 14:43:49 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:43:49 -0500 Subject: kde apps missing? In-Reply-To: <200612060906.50931.antonioricardo.correia@gmail.com> References: <200612060906.50931.antonioricardo.correia@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612060943.51310.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 04:06, arcorreia wrote: > Install kappfinder and run it. It should find most of your missing apps. > I say it should because for some strange reason it doesn't find all of them > and sometimes a reboot is needed for them to show up in the menus. I think kappfinder only finds non-KDE apps. Scott wanted to update the menu for missing KDE apps. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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In-Reply-To: <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> Message-ID: <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:26:13 +0000, Tez wrote > The Kubuntu wiki is the Ubuntu wiki, both are one and the same, > anything on the Ubuntu wiki will also be on the Kubuntu wiki and > vice-verse. OK, right there, that's a confusing statement. Especially when there are two URLS with different badging for each. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu To the common eye these look like entirely independent wiki. If they are truly the one and the same wiki under the hood then the confusion between the 'Gnome way' and the 'KDE way' will be never ending. If the content is merely mirrored between two different wiki then can't the kubuntu content in the ubuntu wiki be linked in instead of copied? Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 15:30:56 2006 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:30:56 -0700 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? Message-ID: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> I am fairly paranoid about not installing unsigned packages on to my system, but this is the first time I think I've come across a signed package for which I cannot find the key. Doing an apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://archive.czessi.net dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A714EB87D1B1F415 And I can't find the key A714EB87D1B1F415 anywhere in any of the places I normally look for keys. Does anyone know where it is? From czessi at czessi.net Wed Dec 6 15:54:37 2006 From: czessi at czessi.net (Marcus Czeslinski) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:54:37 +0100 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612061654.44281.czessi@czessi.net> Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2006 16:30 schrieb D. R. Evans: > I am fairly paranoid about not installing unsigned packages on to my > system, but this is the first time I think I've come across a signed > package for which I cannot find the key. > > Doing an apt-get update: > > W: GPG error: http://archive.czessi.net dapper Release: The following > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not > available: NO_PUBKEY A714EB87D1B1F415 > > And I can't find the key A714EB87D1B1F415 anywhere in any of the > places I normally look for keys. > Does anyone know where it is? wget http://archive.czessi.net/ubuntu/kczessi.gpg sudo apt-key add kczessi.gpg or http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD1B1F415&op=index -- Gruß Marcus Czeslinski http://www.czessi.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Dec 6 16:05:11 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:05:11 -0400 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 21:22, Robert Tilley wrote: >> When Konqueror displays a web page with multiple paragraphs of text, why >> do small yellow squares sometimes pop onto the screen with single >> letters? > If you press the Control key without any other key you will receive these > popups. If you then use the letter that is in the box, you will be able to > follow that link without using your mouse. >> >> This is a "feature" of Konqueror that means something. Can anyone help >> me to understand? > These are quite handy for people with disabilities, minimizing mouse > usage, or just plain old handy navigation. Is the time delay configurable? I'm html-savvy enough to have realized, the first time I did it, exactly what it was and it is a very good feature - I just don't need it :-) -- derek From tchize at myrealbox.com Wed Dec 6 16:26:19 2006 From: tchize at myrealbox.com (Tchize) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:26:19 +0100 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? In-Reply-To: <200612061654.44281.czessi@czessi.net> References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> <200612061654.44281.czessi@czessi.net> Message-ID: <4576EF2B.5000007@myrealbox.com> Marcus Czeslinski a écrit : > Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2006 16:30 schrieb D. R. Evans: > >> I am fairly paranoid about not installing unsigned packages on to my >> system, but this is the first time I think I've come across a signed >> package for which I cannot find the key. >> >> Doing an apt-get update: >> >> W: GPG error: http://archive.czessi.net dapper Release: The following >> signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not >> available: NO_PUBKEY A714EB87D1B1F415 >> >> And I can't find the key A714EB87D1B1F415 anywhere in any of the >> places I normally look for keys. >> Does anyone know where it is? >> > > wget http://archive.czessi.net/ubuntu/kczessi.gpg > sudo apt-key add kczessi.gpg > > or > > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD1B1F415&op=index > > Some day, someone should explain me why this isn't listening to a classical http port. I can't use gpg at work because the all keyservers are inaccessible thru my company firewall on that damn strange 11371 port. From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Dec 6 16:14:46 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:14:46 -0400 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> <880dece00612060335w5e243bbfuc6920d902dc1a5b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 05/12/06, Ian Rose wrote: >> Indeed, I would have thought so too - but for some reason Firefox in >> Edgy doesn't remember the maximised state if you use the maximise >> button, only if you manually drag it to this state does it remember it >> when you next open it - at least for me (and the original poster). A >> very bizarre bug that had me very frustrated until I discovered this >> workaround! >> > > It's not a bug- that's Firefox being the _size_ of a maximized window, > but it's still not maximized from the window manager's perspective. > Just try to maximize/ unmaximize it. See, it stays the same! The > reason that you think that Fx is open maximized is that it's openin in > the last unmaximized state it was in. If that happens to be the size > of a maximized window, then so be it. > It still seems like a bug. If it's smart enough to change the icon to "maximized", because it's the size of a maximized window, then it should _be_ maximized. That's the behaviour I've seen elsewhere. Other apps simply don't change the icon as you enlarge them - in which case, you don't assume that it _is_ maximized. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Dec 6 16:11:03 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:11:03 -0400 Subject: Newbee question on desktop media icon. References: <200612060830.25485.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4576C27C.7050408@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Tez wrote: > Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >> When I put a CD in the CDROM reader, an icon appears on the desktop for >> that drive, giving me the option to open a file manager or whatever. >> >> When I right-click on the icon, and choose "Eject" to change the CD, I >> get an error mesage "Only Root can umount /dev/hdc from /media/cdrom0" >> >> Must I "sudo umount" in a konsole every time in order to change CD ? >> > Make sure you're in the 'disk' group He shouldn't have been able to mount it at all, if he wasn't in the right group. > also that /etc/fstab has 'user' on the line with /dev/hdc that seems to present the same problem - how did he get it mounted? -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 17:20:55 2006 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:20:55 -0700 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? In-Reply-To: <200612061654.44281.czessi@czessi.net> References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> <200612061654.44281.czessi@czessi.net> Message-ID: <256f4e900612060920i4425474dq20d15a14ffc893ad@mail.gmail.com> On 06/12/06, Marcus Czeslinski wrote: \ > or > > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD1B1F415&op=index OK... so now the question morphs to become: how do I add that keyserver to my list of keyservers? I tried adding: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com http://keyserver.ubuntu.com http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371 and kgpg still insists that it can't find the key (even though when I go to the URL you gave, it does indeed say that the key exists). (One could also wonder why on Earth this keyserver isn't synchronized with all the other major keyservers, but I guess that's a philosophical one and I'd rather deal with the practical one of adding it to my list of servers that are checked for keys.) From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Dec 6 17:11:11 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:11:11 -0400 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> <200612061654.44281.czessi@czessi.net> <4576EF2B.5000007@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: Tchize wrote: > Some day, someone should explain me why this isn't listening to a > classical http port. I can't use gpg at work because the all keyservers > are inaccessible thru my company firewall on that damn strange 11371 port. Because, despite the http: prefix it isn't speaking real http? I don't really know, but I wish more key servers were set to use port 80 (I know it's possible), because I have exactly the same problem. For a long time, our company firewall actually blocked the SSH port too. Now that's security :-( -- derek From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Wed Dec 6 17:51:28 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:51:28 -0300 Subject: Newbee question on desktop media icon. In-Reply-To: References: <200612060830.25485.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4576C27C.7050408@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612061451.29162.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 13:11, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Derek Broughton who wrote: > >> When I put a CD in the CDROM reader, an icon appears on the desktop for > >> that drive, giving me the option to open a file manager or whatever. > >> When I right-click on the icon, and choose "Eject" to change the CD, I > >> get an error mesage "Only Root can umount /dev/hdc from /media/cdrom0" > >> Must I "sudo umount" in a konsole every time in order to change CD ? > > Make sure you're in the 'disk' group > He shouldn't have been able to mount it at all, if he wasn't in the right > group. My user was _not_ in the disk group, yet it auto-mounted with no problem. > > also that /etc/fstab has 'user' on the line with /dev/hdc > that seems to present the same problem - how did he get it mounted? user _was_ and still is in fstab for the removable media lines. I also have the same problem with a USB pen drive.. Cheers, Ron. -- Toute institution qui ne suppôse pas le peuple bon, et le magistrat corruptible, est vicieuse. -- Maximilien Robespierre -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From jjesse at iserv.net Wed Dec 6 17:59:40 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:59:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:26:13 +0000, Tez wrote > >> The Kubuntu wiki is the Ubuntu wiki, both are one and the same, >> anything on the Ubuntu wiki will also be on the Kubuntu wiki and >> vice-verse. > > OK, right there, that's a confusing statement. Especially when there are > two > URLS with different badging for each. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu > > To the common eye these look like entirely independent wiki. > > If they are truly the one and the same wiki under the hood then the > confusion > between the 'Gnome way' and the 'KDE way' will be never ending. > > If the content is merely mirrored between two different wiki then can't > the > kubuntu content in the ubuntu wiki be linked in instead of copied? > > Scott > > -- > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > I'm a little confused as to the question... I sign into wiki.ubuntu.com and am using the Kubuntu theme and it is the same as loging to wiki.kubuntu.com with the same username and password. As far as I know it is the SAME wiki just enter it differently, i.e. wiki.kubuntu.com/RecentChanges is the same as wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges. -- Jonathan Jesse From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Wed Dec 6 19:24:56 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:24:56 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> Message-ID: <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:59:40 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > I'm a little confused as to the question... I sign into wiki.ubuntu.com > and am using the Kubuntu theme and it is the same as loging to > wiki.kubuntu.com with the same username and password. As far as I > know it is the SAME wiki just enter it differently, i.e. > wiki.kubuntu.com/RecentChanges is the same as wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges. You may get the Kubuntu theme logging in. You don't get the Kubuntu theme (well I don't anyway) unless you specifically go to the wiki.kubuntu.org URL. I can open both those pages in different tabs and get the ubuntu theme on the ubuntu URL and the kubuntu theme on the kubuntu URL (although I see the content is exactly the same). (BTW, the fonts in the kubuntu wicki theme are, erm, 'hard on the eyes', where as they look beautiful in the ubuntu theme). But on closer look I see that typing 'kubuntu' in the search for either theme brings up the same list of results, and the results (themed respectively are also the same). So yep, I see you were right all along. It's the same wiki. So now that I feel violated and duped that there REALLY IS NO KUBUNTU WIKI AND NEVER WAS, all I can say is bad call to reskin the ubuntu wiki and pretend it's a kubuntu wiki :( Guess I've been wasting my time searching the kubuntu wiki for help. Especially when I get all that helpful Gnome advice (under a nice kubuntu theme). I would have been much more comfortable searching wiki.ubuntu.com for kubuntu topics knowing full well where I was. So does that mean the kubuntu forum is bogus too? Is this mailing list simply forwarded from the ubuntu-users list? (I'm kidding of course, but put out none the less). Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From jjesse at iserv.net Wed Dec 6 19:31:33 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:31:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <40815.198.105.65.197.1165433493.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:59:40 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > >> I'm a little confused as to the question... I sign into wiki.ubuntu.com >> and am using the Kubuntu theme and it is the same as loging to >> wiki.kubuntu.com with the same username and password. As far as I >> know it is the SAME wiki just enter it differently, i.e. >> wiki.kubuntu.com/RecentChanges is the same as >> wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges. > > You may get the Kubuntu theme logging in. You don't get the Kubuntu theme > (well I don't anyway) unless you specifically go to the wiki.kubuntu.org > URL. > I can open both those pages in different tabs and get the ubuntu theme on > the > ubuntu URL and the kubuntu theme on the kubuntu URL (although I see the > content is exactly the same). > > (BTW, the fonts in the kubuntu wicki theme are, erm, 'hard on the eyes', > where > as they look beautiful in the ubuntu theme). > > But on closer look I see that typing 'kubuntu' in the search for either > theme > brings up the same list of results, and the results (themed respectively > are > also the same). So yep, I see you were right all along. It's the same > wiki. > > So now that I feel violated and duped that there REALLY IS NO KUBUNTU WIKI > AND > NEVER WAS, all I can say is bad call to reskin the ubuntu wiki and pretend > it's a kubuntu wiki :( > > Guess I've been wasting my time searching the kubuntu wiki for help. > Especially when I get all that helpful Gnome advice (under a nice kubuntu > theme). > > I would have been much more comfortable searching wiki.ubuntu.com for > kubuntu > topics knowing full well where I was. > > So does that mean the kubuntu forum is bogus too? Is this mailing list > simply > forwarded from the ubuntu-users list? (I'm kidding of course, but put out > none the less). > > Scott > > -- > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > So should all Kubuntu docs on the wiki be under Kubuntu/ ? -- Jonathan Jesse From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 20:03:34 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:03:34 +0200 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> On 06/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: > Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > > > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 21:22, Robert Tilley wrote: > >> When Konqueror displays a web page with multiple paragraphs of text, why > >> do small yellow squares sometimes pop onto the screen with single > >> letters? > > If you press the Control key without any other key you will receive these > > popups. If you then use the letter that is in the box, you will be able to > > follow that link without using your mouse. > >> > >> This is a "feature" of Konqueror that means something. Can anyone help > >> me to understand? > > These are quite handy for people with disabilities, minimizing mouse > > usage, or just plain old handy navigation. > > Is the time delay configurable? I'm html-savvy enough to have realized, the > first time I did it, exactly what it was and it is a very good feature - I > just don't need it :-) The time delay is configurable. Just decide how much time you want to wait, THEN hit the CTRL key :) Dotan Cohen http://dotancohen.com/ http://what-is-what.com/what_is/protocol.html From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 20:09:30 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:09:30 +0200 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> <880dece00612060335w5e243bbfuc6920d902dc1a5b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00612061209x6aab49b4k8bb6015e94816c8f@mail.gmail.com> On 06/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > On 05/12/06, Ian Rose wrote: > >> Indeed, I would have thought so too - but for some reason Firefox in > >> Edgy doesn't remember the maximised state if you use the maximise > >> button, only if you manually drag it to this state does it remember it > >> when you next open it - at least for me (and the original poster). A > >> very bizarre bug that had me very frustrated until I discovered this > >> workaround! > >> > > > > It's not a bug- that's Firefox being the _size_ of a maximized window, > > but it's still not maximized from the window manager's perspective. > > Just try to maximize/ unmaximize it. See, it stays the same! The > > reason that you think that Fx is open maximized is that it's openin in > > the last unmaximized state it was in. If that happens to be the size > > of a maximized window, then so be it. > > > It still seems like a bug. If it's smart enough to change the icon > to "maximized", because it's the size of a maximized window, then it should > _be_ maximized. That's the behaviour I've seen elsewhere. Other apps > simply don't change the icon as you enlarge them - in which case, you don't > assume that it _is_ maximized. Derek, I think you're right. I never noticed that the icon changes. In that case, then I _do_ consider the window maximized. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/bios.html http://lyricslist.com/ From claydoh at claydoh.com Wed Dec 6 20:16:18 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:16:18 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <45772512.2050308@claydoh.com> Scott Mazur wrote: > So does that mean the kubuntu forum is bogus too? Is this mailing list simply > forwarded from the ubuntu-users list? (I'm kidding of course, but put out > none the less). > > Scott > > As a moderator at http://kubuntuforums.net, I can attest that it definitely is not the same :) claydoh (clay weber) http://kubuntuforums.net http:claydoh.com http:emacdogsports.com From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 20:36:53 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:36:53 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <45772512.2050308@claydoh.com> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> <45772512.2050308@claydoh.com> Message-ID: I've been on this list for a while now, and there's nothing going on to suggest that this list is in any way depreciated by another resource. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Wed Dec 6 20:42:34 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:42:34 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <40815.198.105.65.197.1165433493.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.133012.pB]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> <40815.198.105.65.197.1165433493.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.133012.pB]> Message-ID: <20061206202730.M60520@littlefish.ca> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:31:33 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > So should all Kubuntu docs on the wiki be under Kubuntu/ ? I don't think it matters where they reside, as long as the user (me) knows where it's at. If I'm on the ubuntu wiki (as known from the URL and theme) looking for kubuntu information, I know to keep my eyes open for information that may be ubuntu specific and not relevant to my problem. However when I'm on the kubuntu wiki (again as known from the URL and theme) I expect all the information to be kubuntu specific and anything else is just confusing chaff. Being that the two wiki are the same (as I've now discovered) I really see no point to a kubuntu theme and URL. It's just plain confusing. If we're serious about a kubuntu wiki (and I hope we are), then I think it should be separate entity. If the current ubuntu wiki can be physically split then ideally all kubuntu information would be removed from ubuntu and all ubunutu information would be left out of kubunutu. We know kubuntu is a derivative of ubunutu, so it's not a stretch to go back and search the ubuntu wiki if kubuntu doesn't have the goods. Just so long as we know where we are. At the very least it would be nice if the links in the current wiki were 'cross-linked' in such a way that following a kubuntu item would switch you over to the kubuntu URL/theme and following a ubuntu item would do the same. Nothing spells change of context like a page theme change from orange to blue. But I'm betting the existing wiki really wouldn't benefit from switching relative links to hard links, if it's even technically possible. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From jjesse at iserv.net Wed Dec 6 20:59:48 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:59:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061206202730.M60520@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> <40815.198.105.65.197.1165433493.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.133012.pB]> <20061206202730.M60520@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <24166.198.105.65.197.1165438788.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:31:33 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote >> So should all Kubuntu docs on the wiki be under Kubuntu/ ? > > I don't think it matters where they reside, as long as the user (me) knows > where it's at. > > If I'm on the ubuntu wiki (as known from the URL and theme) looking for > kubuntu information, I know to keep my eyes open for information that may > be > ubuntu specific and not relevant to my problem. > > However when I'm on the kubuntu wiki (again as known from the URL and > theme) I > expect all the information to be kubuntu specific and anything else is > just > confusing chaff. > > Being that the two wiki are the same (as I've now discovered) I really see > no > point to a kubuntu theme and URL. It's just plain confusing. > > If we're serious about a kubuntu wiki (and I hope we are), then I think it > should be separate entity. If the current ubuntu wiki can be physically > split > then ideally all kubuntu information would be removed from ubuntu and all > ubunutu information would be left out of kubunutu. We know kubuntu is a > derivative of ubunutu, so it's not a stretch to go back and search the > ubuntu > wiki if kubuntu doesn't have the goods. Just so long as we know where we > are. > > At the very least it would be nice if the links in the current wiki were > 'cross-linked' in such a way that following a kubuntu item would switch > you > over to the kubuntu URL/theme and following a ubuntu item would do the > same. > Nothing spells change of context like a page theme change from orange to > blue. > > But I'm betting the existing wiki really wouldn't benefit from switching > relative links to hard links, if it's even technically possible. > > Scott > > -- > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > I disagree that we need a totally different wiki. There are lots of pages that are not specific to Ubuntu or Kubuntu but are relevant. For example all of the pages under LaptopTestingTeam/ should help out someone decide if their latpop is supported by (ED)(K)(X)ubuntu. A large number of other documents deal with the underpining infrastructure that is the same whether or not you are running (K)(X)Ubuntu. I think the confusion and amount of work of having a totally separte wiki would outwiegh the difference between searching and receiving ubuntu specific information instead of Kubuntu specific inforamtion on the current wiki. I would vote against this idea personally -- Jonathan Jesse From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Wed Dec 6 21:13:58 2006 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:13:58 -0700 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down Message-ID: Has anyone else noticed that the repository at us.archive.ubuntu.com has been down at least since Su. Considering that the duration of the failure is now at least 4 days, I keep expecting an announcement somewhere about the problem and a prognosis, but I haven't seen anything. I'm new to (K)ubuntu, so I'm wondering whether this situation is unusual. -- Jeffrey Barish From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 21:20:05 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:20:05 -0800 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I seem to remember there being issues with us.archive.ubuntu.com before. This is beginning to qualify as a reocurring problem. On 12/6/06, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the repository at us.archive.ubuntu.com has > been down at least since Su. Considering that the duration of the failure > is now at least 4 days, I keep expecting an announcement somewhere about > the problem and a prognosis, but I haven't seen anything. I'm new to > (K)ubuntu, so I'm wondering whether this situation is unusual. > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From jjesse at iserv.net Wed Dec 6 21:22:02 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:22:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29859.198.105.65.197.1165440122.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > Has anyone else noticed that the repository at us.archive.ubuntu.com has > been down at least since Su. Considering that the duration of the failure > is now at least 4 days, I keep expecting an announcement somewhere about > the problem and a prognosis, but I haven't seen anything. I'm new to > (K)ubuntu, so I'm wondering whether this situation is unusual. > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing listhttp://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/11/distributor-patches.html > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > The situation is unusual, but I don't know if a lot of people have noticed. I for one didn't as my sources are archive.ubuntu.co and not us.archive.ubuntu.com -- Jonathan Jesse From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 21:21:33 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:21:33 -0800 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Found the old soultion. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tez Date: Dec 3, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: What happened to us.archive.ubuntu.com To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Rodney D. Myers wrote: > I've been attempting all day to get to this repository, but it keeps > timing out. > > Is it alive or D.O.A., and need to be changed to something else? > > Thanks > > us.archive.ubuntu.com is actually hosted at so that may be down. What I do is add a few different sources to my sources.list, I'm in the UK so I have, in order: fr.archive.ubuntu.com (because I get a good ping from them), then www.mirrorservice.org (a UK mirror), then gb.archive.ubuntu.com (which is actually the same as archive.ubuntu.com) I have the main ubuntu archive last to save on the ubuntu bandwidth, so apt will try the fr archive forst, then mirrorservice, and only if that fails it will go to the default ubuntu archive. I suggest you add some other sources to your sources.list to resolve the problem until mirror.mcs.anl.gov comes back online Tez -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == On 12/6/06, Lord Sauron wrote: > I seem to remember there being issues with us.archive.ubuntu.com > before. This is beginning to qualify as a reocurring problem. > > On 12/6/06, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that the repository at us.archive.ubuntu.com has > > been down at least since Su. Considering that the duration of the failure > > is now at least 4 days, I keep expecting an announcement somewhere about > > the problem and a prognosis, but I haven't seen anything. I'm new to > > (K)ubuntu, so I'm wondering whether this situation is unusual. > > -- > > Jeffrey Barish > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From kubuntu at kitterman.com Wed Dec 6 21:22:07 2006 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:22:07 -0500 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612061622.07409.kubuntu@kitterman.com> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 16:13, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the repository at us.archive.ubuntu.com has > been down at least since Su. Considering that the duration of the failure > is now at least 4 days, I keep expecting an announcement somewhere about > the problem and a prognosis, but I haven't seen anything. I'm new to > (K)ubuntu, so I'm wondering whether this situation is unusual. No. It's not down. I just connected and updated after I got your message. Scott K From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Wed Dec 6 21:44:07 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:44:07 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <24166.198.105.65.197.1165438788.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.145840.6B]> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030915.14345.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612030833.23056.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200612032013.25354.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612040320u68f2fb2bx54fee6c53e749ee5@mail.gmail.com[0612!04.052128.WhJC]> <20061204165432.M61994@littlefish.ca> <46988.198.105.65.197.1165255959.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!04.121121.HiJC]> <20061205232622.M13286@littlefish.ca> <45767095.5080804@blueyonder.co.uk[0612!06.012620.0wSC]> <20061206152512.M26724@littlefish.ca> <46155.198.105.65.197.1165427980.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.115819.fB]> <20061206190346.M13465@littlefish.ca> <40815.198.105.65.197.1165433493.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.133012.pB]> <20061206202730.M60520@littlefish.ca> <24166.198.105.65.197.1165438788.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.145840.6B]> Message-ID: <20061206213433.M92450@littlefish.ca> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:59:48 -0500 (EST), Jonathan Jesse wrote > I disagree that we need a totally different wiki. There are lots of > pages that are not specific to Ubuntu or Kubuntu but are relevant. > For example all of the pages under LaptopTestingTeam/ should help > out someone decide if their latpop is supported by (ED)(K)(X)ubuntu. > A large number of other documents deal with the underpining > infrastructure that is the same whether or not you are running (K)(X) Non-specific pages do not need to be included in both (nor should they). I suggest that the primary wiki will always be ubuntu as this is the distro and that's where people will look (especially for non-specific pages). It's the kubuntu specific information that should reside in it's own wiki (if at all) with plenty of references to return to the ubuntu wiki for more general information. > Ubuntu. I think the confusion and amount of work of having a totally > separte wiki would outwiegh the difference between searching and > receiving ubuntu specific information instead of Kubuntu specific > inforamtion on the current wiki. I would vote against this idea personally Fair enough. I totally agree it's more work and complication, and maybe not worth it. But we should stop pretending to be a kubuntu wiki by applying a kde theme. Re-skinning an existing wiki is just plain wrong, bordering on fraud. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Wed Dec 6 22:23:42 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:42 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu, first impressions. In-Reply-To: <20061206213433.M92450@littlefish.ca> References: <200612022132.14723.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <24166.198.105.65.197.1165438788.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net[0612!06.145840.6B]> <20061206213433.M92450@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612061523.42450.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 14:44, Scott Mazur wrote: > Re-skinning an existing wiki is just plain wrong, bordering on fraud kinda like calling a Pontiac a Buick [for non us members they are built in the same plant and have only cosmetic differences] From silentph03nix at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 22:58:53 2006 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:58:53 -0600 Subject: S/MIME cert and kleopatra/kmail Message-ID: <200612061658.54121.silentph03nix@gmail.com> I'm attempting to get S/MIME working in kleopatra/kmail. I'm running up to date ubuntu dapper with kde 3.5.5. I've got gpg certs working correctly in kmail already. I have a cert from Thawte from their freemail site. This cert installs fine in konq, firefox, and in windows and firefox in windows. However when I try to import the cert in keopatra I get the message that decryption failed. I did some google searching and got gnupg-agent running which then prompted me for the password. Now, it asks me for the password, and the passsword I'm going to use to protect it, and then I get the decryption failed message. I really need to get S/MIME certs working with email to do some testing for work. Also, when I send a signed email from our Exchange server (signed with a cert from our internal win2k3 ca), kmail always says there is not enough information to verify the cert. I haven't tested this with the agent running yet, however. I'll do that once I get home this evening. I have the certs from work imported into kleopatra and they all show up. Any info would be appreciated. -- Ph03nix ---------------------------------------------------------- BOFH excuse #441: Hash table has woodworm From kandew at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 23:29:30 2006 From: kandew at gmail.com (Liz Young) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:29:30 -0800 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612061529.30439.kandew@gmail.com> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 13:13, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the repository at us.archive.ubuntu.com > has been down at least since Su. I noticed that the us.archive was really unreliable for some time, so I switched to the main archive until I found another mirror. I now use http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu (Portland State Uni, west coast USA) for Dapper and Edgy. It's stable, up to date, and really fast. HTH, -Liz From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Thu Dec 7 00:08:29 2006 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:08:29 -0500 Subject: k3b permissions error Message-ID: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a burning group) didn't work. What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an installation error? (I never touched it until today.) Running kdesu k3b worked fine. Paul From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Thu Dec 7 00:26:53 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:26:53 -0700 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200612061726.53880.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 17:08, Paul Kaplan wrote: > I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a > permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a > burning group) didn't work. > > What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an > installation error? (I never touched it until today.) > > Running kdesu k3b worked fine. > > Paul No this has been around for a while K3b setup will set all the permissions for you BTW if you use K3b to burn an iso file set your burning speed to no more than 1/3 max speed From garryknight at gmx.net Thu Dec 7 00:43:57 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:43:57 +0000 Subject: Minimizing a window per keyboard instead of mouse References: <45765F1F.4030302@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: john d. herron wrote: > Having to rely on the mouse as the only means to minimize a window is > something I find quite annoying. I use Alt+F3 to open the Window Menu, then 'n' to minimize. You'll find quite a few useful features on the Window Menu... -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From almilis at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 05:21:25 2006 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:21:25 +0700 Subject: Minimize All: How? Message-ID: <36135600612062121h2d8ce8cq8ee0f499cd6a14cc@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is there a "minimize all" button in KDE/Kubuntu? I tried to google; but I can not find anything workable. thank you, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ From manuel at mclure.org Thu Dec 7 06:17:25 2006 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:17:25 -0800 Subject: Minimize All: How? In-Reply-To: <36135600612062121h2d8ce8cq8ee0f499cd6a14cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600612062121h2d8ce8cq8ee0f499cd6a14cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 21:21, Ali Milis wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a "minimize all" button in KDE/Kubuntu? > I tried to google; but I can not find anything workable. Add the "Show Desktop" applet to your panel. That does what you want. -- Manuel A. McLure KE6TAW ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From list.dhooge at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 06:19:46 2006 From: list.dhooge at gmail.com (Michel D'HOOGE) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:19:46 +0100 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612070719.46466.list.dhooge@gmail.com> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 16:30, D. R. Evans wrote: > I am fairly paranoid about not installing unsigned packages Thanks for saying that because IMHO it seems to be a common behaviour that I think quite odd & risky! I explain: Indeed, why do you believe you are safer once you downloaded the public key of someone you don't know? As long as there is no "GPG trust path" between you and the guy providing the packages, nothing has changed. Well in fact AFAIK something has changed, and not to the good side. If the guy (or someone who got into his system) now decides to provide a trojan version of an essential package (say, libc), you will install it without noticing anything. So unless I can find a way to know the origin of the packets, I'd rather stay with unsigned repositories except for canonical ones. One can also argue that I can't trust them either but this is a level of risk I accept to live with ;-) Maybe it's already available but I haven't found it so far - I use aptitude. What I'd like is at least 3 levels that I could assign to the repositories. It would be even better if I could have several disconnected groups (one for Canonical, one for multimedia stuff, ...). Or maybe simply to display the repository from which a package is downloaded. Cheers -- Michel From almilis at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 07:15:06 2006 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:15:06 +0700 Subject: Minimize All: How? In-Reply-To: <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> References: <36135600612062121h2d8ce8cq8ee0f499cd6a14cc@mail.gmail.com> <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: <36135600612062315y5995e2d1w54a7e9a77702fc93@mail.gmail.com> >> Is there a "minimize all" button in KDE/Kubuntu? >> I tried to google; but I can not find anything workable. > Add the "Show Desktop" applet to your panel. That does what you want. Thank you very much! Was there any other way (besides posting to this list) to find out the relation between "minimize all" and "show desktop"? regards, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Wed Dec 6 19:35:03 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:35:03 -0300 Subject: Root login Message-ID: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> This morning I tried, as I usually do once a month, to log in as root to do the monthly housekeeping, back up all the ~ directories on the network, etc. Problem: the KDE login manager tells me root logins are not allowed. How do I unblock this ? TIA, Ron. -- La culture, c'est ce qui reste quand on a oublié tout le reste. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 7 11:00:18 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:00:18 +0000 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > This morning I tried, as I usually do once a month, to log in as root to do > the monthly housekeeping, back up all the ~ directories on the network, etc. > > Problem: the KDE login manager tells me root logins are not allowed. > > How do I unblock this ? > > TIA, > > Ron. > -- > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. You need to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and change AllowRootLogin=false to AllowRootLogin=true It'll be around line #256 Tez From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Thu Dec 7 11:29:36 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:29:36 -0300 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:00, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Tez who wrote: > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as > I assume you know all about that, This, often heard as a quasi-religious injunction, is crap. While loggin in as root has risks, ans should not be done for every day desktop use, there are sysadmin / netadmin tasks that can only be done as root. Which is, I suppose, why root was invented in the first place ;-3) > and just tell you how to do it. Many thanks. Cheers, Ron. -- To be trusted is a greater compliment than to be loved. -- George Mac Donald -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From henrigira at numericable.fr Thu Dec 7 12:52:12 2006 From: henrigira at numericable.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:52:12 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr> thanks too... because sudo is really crap :) Henri Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:00, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Tez who wrote: > > >> I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as >> I assume you know all about that, >> > > This, often heard as a quasi-religious injunction, is crap. > > While loggin in as root has risks, ans should not be done for every day > desktop use, there are sysadmin / netadmin tasks that can only be done as > root. > > Which is, I suppose, why root was invented in the first place ;-3) > > >> and just tell you how to do it. >> > > Many thanks. > > Cheers, > > Ron. > -- > To be trusted is a greater compliment than to be loved. > -- George Mac Donald > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > > From raphink at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 7 12:56:58 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:56:58 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:00, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Tez who wrote: > > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as > > I assume you know all about that, > > This, often heard as a quasi-religious injunction, is crap. > > While loggin in as root has risks, ans should not be done for every day > desktop use, there are sysadmin / netadmin tasks that can only be done as > root. > > Which is, I suppose, why root was invented in the first place ;-3) While it is a mere choice (which is not recommended) to use root login instead of sudo on Kubuntu, it is a really bad idea to login as root graphically, which is why login as root is disabled in kdmrc. You can access administrative sections of the settings with sudo on Kubuntu, aswell as login as root in a console if you really want to. Sysadmin/netadmin tasks don't usually require a graphical interface, and when they do, Kubuntu is set to provide an administrative interface with sudo, so you never need to login as root. Regards, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 13:39:18 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:39:18 -0500 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? In-Reply-To: <200612070719.46466.list.dhooge@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> <200612070719.46466.list.dhooge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612070839.29003.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 01:19, Michel D'HOOGE wrote: > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 16:30, D. R. Evans wrote: > > I am fairly paranoid about not installing unsigned packages > > Thanks for saying that because IMHO it seems to be a common behaviour that > I think quite odd & risky! I explain: > > Indeed, why do you believe you are safer once you downloaded the public key > of someone you don't know? As long as there is no "GPG trust path" between > you and the guy providing the packages, nothing has changed. Good point, except one thing. A pgp key at least insures that you continue to deal with the same person. Even outside repositories and email, we did not necessarily have a "trust path" for most people we deal with. Trust evolves over repeated dealings. At some point we take a chance, then after a positive course of experience, we develop trust. There are people on mailing lists that I will never meet, nor have a trust path connection. However, I can see what they write over time and decide whether or not to trust them. Once I develop that trust, the pgp signature insures that I am dealing with them. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Thu Dec 7 13:10:10 2006 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:10:10 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu - some first thoughts Message-ID: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Some one else has already commented of their first thoughts about kubuntu Edgy so I thought I would have a go. Numlock On installation this defaults to Off. It was easy to alter, but I think the default is wrong. Panel I like to have the panel out of the way when I am working - purely a personal thing. With all my previous distros (Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva) I have simply clicked on the panel hiding buttons to slide it out of the way. They were missing. It was easy to add them, but again I think the default is wrong. I have now changed the panel configuration to 'allow other windows to cover the panel' which I think is great. Now I don't have to bother with hiding/revealing the panel any more. I just ignore it and opening a window (eg browser, console, home folder) uses all of the screen right to the bottom. Great. Root folders I was surprised not to see anything in the root folder. With some help from the group I sorted that out, but it seemed strange. I have since heard that this 'feature' will be removed for the next version. Mouse The default was that one click activated the icon, file whatever. I find it easier to use a double-click (again purely a personal thing). It was easy to change it. Desktop Icons On installation the desktop was completely empty, wow! I have been used to having at least an icon for Home be there. Yes I know about the menus but I also like to have icons available for often-used items. It took some help from the group again to enable me to add a shortcut for Home on to the desktop. Others were simple to add. OK, I know that lots of people like an empty desktop. Fine, but I like to have a choice between icons or menus. Just to annoy those who prefer none, I have 25 icons on my desktop at the moment. (Stand by ready for all the flak.) I also often use alt-F2 as well. Apt-get, Adept Much better than the RPM system I am used to. I had a bit of trouble when I tried to install Sun Java using adept but with some help from the group I sorted that out and eventually used apt-get. Incidentally I have been using computers for more years than I care to remember so I am quite happy to enter commands into a console window. Console When working in a folder window, eg Home, I like to be able to move to a console window while staying in the current directory. These had always been available with previous distros by using ctrl-t (for terminal). This did not work in kubuntu so I had to add the relevant button to the toolbar. Easy enough. Repositories I read up about these lists and thought it was a great idea. My problem was that I had to find out how to add the extra repositories so that I had a complete list of all available files. This took a bit of research and some errors on my part but I have it set up now. It could have been a bit easier though. I have used Linux for more that five years, but a beginner would probably struggle. Please note that these are all comments, I am not complaining. I will certainly stay with kubuntu from now on. Much better than previous distros that I have used. As a last comment, I agree with recent emails about making it easier to distinguish between kubuntu and ubuntu in wikis, help files and books. I have the 'Official Ubuntu Book' which does have just one chapter devoted to kubuntu. A lot of the rest of the book is not relevant and/or incorrect for me. A lot of it was helpful though. I do realise that, due to the quick release of new versions, it is not possible for books to be up to date. That is why on-line help is so necessary. And that is why it is important to be clear about which help is for ubuntu, which is for kubuntu and which is for either. I look forward to any comments, corrections, complaints etc. Neil Winchurst From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 13:47:36 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as > I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I use Mondo -- doesn't work with sudo. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Thu Dec 7 13:56:18 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:56:18 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu - some first thoughts In-Reply-To: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612071056.18785.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:10, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Neil Winchurst who wrote: > Numlock > On installation this defaults to Off. It was easy to alter, but I think > the default is wrong. How do you alter this ? > Panel > I like to have the panel out of the way when I am working - purely a > personal thing. With all my previous distros (Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva) I > have simply clicked on the panel hiding buttons to slide it out of the > way. They were missing. It was easy to add them, but again I think the > default is wrong. > > I have now changed the panel configuration to 'allow other windows to > cover the panel' which I think is great. Now I don't have to bother with > hiding/revealing the panel any more. I just ignore it and opening a > window (eg browser, console, home folder) uses all of the screen right > to the bottom. Great. Configure panel to "auto-hide". Comes up when you move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen, and it goes away automatically (after a cinfigurable time) when the pointer is no longer in the panel. Cheers, Ron. -- Chaos is King and Magic is loose in the world. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From jjesse at iserv.net Thu Dec 7 14:00:40 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:00:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Minimize All: How? In-Reply-To: <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> References: <36135600612062121h2d8ce8cq8ee0f499cd6a14cc@mail.gmail.com> <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: <32034.198.105.65.197.1165500040.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> wow thanks for that... i've been looking for something like. seriously thanks for the tip > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 21:21, Ali Milis wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there a "minimize all" button in KDE/Kubuntu? >> I tried to google; but I can not find anything workable. > > Add the "Show Desktop" applet to your panel. That does what you want. > > -- > Manuel A. McLure KE6TAW > ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, > no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Jonathan Jesse From claydoh at claydoh.com Thu Dec 7 14:03:11 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:03:11 -0500 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> Raphaël Pinson wrote: > On 12/7/06, *Renaud (Ron) Olgiati* > wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:00, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Tez > who wrote: > > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" > part, as > > I assume you know all about that, > > This, often heard as a quasi-religious injunction, is crap. > > While loggin in as root has risks, ans should not be done for > every day > desktop use, there are sysadmin / netadmin tasks that can only be > done as > root. > > Which is, I suppose, why root was invented in the first place ;-3) > > > > While it is a mere choice (which is not recommended) to use root > login instead of sudo on Kubuntu, it is a really bad idea to login as > root graphically, which is why login as root is disabled in kdmrc. You > can access administrative sections of the settings with sudo on > Kubuntu, aswell as login as root in a console if you really want to. > > Sysadmin/netadmin tasks don't usually require a graphical interface, > and when they do, Kubuntu is set to provide an administrative > interface with sudo, so you never need to login as root. > > > Regards, > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com > http://www.raphink.info > Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians I also won't get into the why/why not/how-to, etc. Having happily used sudo exclusively since shortly after switching distros to Hoary, I don't see any reason for using root on my systems. I am not against it at all, but I think for comparison and illustrative purposes it might be a good thing for someone to list what they *cannot* do using sudo so users have even more information and perhaps those items can be addressed. I personally have not yet found anything that needs root in my day to day use. A real sysadmin may need/want it and can do so easily, but that does not mean sudo is bad. I think sudo was invented to improve and enhance control over who can do various tasks from a catchall root account, heck sudo and root work together as a sysadmin can grant non-root users specific rights without giving them full access to the system. What I truly don't understand is the general reactions I see on this subject as I don't see it as an earth-shattering difference between the two ways, really. Clay http://claydoh.com http://kubuntuforums.net From raphink at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 7 14:03:39 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:03:39 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as > > I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. > > Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I use Mondo > -- > doesn't work with sudo. > -- How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use this program just the same as if you were logged as user root. Regards -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at claydoh.com Thu Dec 7 14:17:06 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:17:06 -0500 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45782262.5040407@claydoh.com> Raphaël Pinson wrote: > On 12/7/06, *Art Alexion* > wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" > part, as > > I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. > > Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I > use Mondo -- > doesn't work with sudo. > -- > > > How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? > > `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use > this program just the same as if you were logged as user root. > > Regards > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com > http://www.raphink.info > Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians I think at least mondo has issues calling growisofs with sudo http://copilotconsulting.com/mail-archives/mondo.2006/msg01393.html clay From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Thu Dec 7 21:28:21 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:28:21 -0700 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612071428.21146.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 07:03, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > On 12/7/06, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: > > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as > > > I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. > > > > Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I use > > Mondo -- > > doesn't work with sudo. > > -- > > How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? > > `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use this > program just the same as if you were logged as user root. and this is better than using su ?....How? > > Regards From raphink at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 7 14:41:38 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:41:38 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071428.21146.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> <200612071428.21146.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <8ce271500612070641n2b24b989yc7611b57b418debb@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 07:03, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > > On 12/7/06, Art Alexion wrote: > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: > > > > I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, > as > > > > I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. > > > > > > Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I use > > > Mondo -- > > > doesn't work with sudo. > > > -- > > > > How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? > > > > `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use > this > > program just the same as if you were logged as user root. > and this is better than using su ?....How? This allows to have the same functionalities as su while using a system made to use sudo. sudo allows a much finer control of privileges rights than su. If you really want to have a permanent root shell, `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` let you have that. If it's really too hard for you to type that many characters, you can set an alias, e.g. `alias sd='sudo -s'` so you don't have more than 2 characters to type to get root privileges. And if typing your password is also tiring, you can set a NOPASSWD option in /etc/sudoers so you can get a root shell without typing a password. 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URL: From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Thu Dec 7 14:47:25 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:47:25 -0300 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:03, my mailbox was graced by a missive from clay weber who wrote: > What I truly don't understand is the general reactions I see on this > subject as I don't see it as an earth-shattering difference between the > two ways, really. I see it as a strange schizophrenic turn of mind, on the one hand claiming that (unlike those people at Redmont, whom we all love to hate) "Linux is all about freedom of choice", and on the other hand telling us the same time that "We are K/Ubuntu of Borg, resistance is futile, you shall not use Root or su". Cheers, Ron. -- Mit der Dummheit käpfen Götter selbst vergebens. -- Friedrich von Schiller -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Thu Dec 7 15:20:09 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:20:09 -0700 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <200612070820.09472.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 07:47, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:03, my mailbox was graced by a missive > > from clay weber who wrote: > > What I truly don't understand is the general reactions I see on this > > subject as I don't see it as an earth-shattering difference between the > > two ways, really. > > I see it as a strange schizophrenic turn of mind, on the one hand claiming > that (unlike those people at Redmont, whom we all love to hate) "Linux is > all about freedom of choice", and on the other hand telling us the same > time that "We are K/Ubuntu of Borg, resistance is futile, you shall not use > Root or su". > > Cheers, > > Ron. As seldom as I agree with Ron ..I'll have to agree > -- > Mit der Dummheit käpfen Götter selbst vergebens. > -- Friedrich von Schiller > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From raphink at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 7 15:25:48 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:25:48 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070820.09472.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070820.09472.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <8ce271500612070725s5d51d200h9e74420f2efe74ea@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Grumpy wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 07:47, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:03, my mailbox was graced by a missive > > > > from clay weber who wrote: > > > What I truly don't understand is the general reactions I see on this > > > subject as I don't see it as an earth-shattering difference between > the > > > two ways, really. > > > > I see it as a strange schizophrenic turn of mind, on the one hand > claiming > > that (unlike those people at Redmont, whom we all love to hate) "Linux > is > > all about freedom of choice", and on the other hand telling us the same > > time that "We are K/Ubuntu of Borg, resistance is futile, you shall not > use > > Root or su". I'm just not sure you see the implication of choosing sudo as default superuser layer in Ubuntu and derivatives. A lot of programs (especially graphical ones) have been patched to use it by default. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has been entirely rethought and patched to use sudo instead of su. It's not that you don't have the choice to use su if you prefer it, but it just goes against the entire logic of the distribution. I'm totally fine with people using the root account and su, just as long as su doen't get advised to newbies without proper information being given to the way we aim superuser rights to be obtained in Ubuntu, which is by using sudo. I care that newbies don't get turned to a solution that is not optimal on Ubuntu (but is on other systems that have not been so heavily patched for sudo) when they could learn about sudo from the beginning. 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From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Thu Dec 7 16:15:35 2006 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:15:35 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu - some first thoughts In-Reply-To: <200612071056.18785.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200612071056.18785.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <45783E27.3030500@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:10, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Neil Winchurst who wrote: > > >> Numlock >> On installation this defaults to Off. It was easy to alter, but I think >> the default is wrong. >> > > How do you alter this ? > > K Menu > System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard. You will see 'Numlock on KDE Startup'. Choose 'Turn on'. >> Panel >> I like to have the panel out of the way when I am working - purely a >> personal thing. With all my previous distros (Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva) I >> have simply clicked on the panel hiding buttons to slide it out of the >> way. They were missing. It was easy to add them, but again I think the >> default is wrong. >> >> I have now changed the panel configuration to 'allow other windows to >> cover the panel' which I think is great. Now I don't have to bother with >> hiding/revealing the panel any more. I just ignore it and opening a >> window (eg browser, console, home folder) uses all of the screen right >> to the bottom. Great. >> > > Configure panel to "auto-hide". > > Comes up when you move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen, and it > goes away automatically (after a cinfigurable time) when the pointer is no > longer in the panel. > > Cheers, > > Ron. > Yes, I saw that as well, but I prefer 'Allow other windows to cover panel'. Others may prefer the auto setting. Neil > - > Chaos is King and Magic is loose in the world. > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > > From vayu at sklinks.com Thu Dec 7 16:24:59 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:24:59 -0800 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <4578405B.3000503@sklinks.com> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:00, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Tez who wrote: > > >> I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as >> I assume you know all about that, >> > > This, often heard as a quasi-religious injunction, is crap. > > While loggin in as root has risks, ans should not be done for every day > desktop use, there are sysadmin / netadmin tasks that can only be done as > root. > > Which is, I suppose, why root was invented in the first place ;-3) > > He skipped the explanation and he gave you help, so why are you barking? From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Dec 7 16:25:56 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:25:56 -0600 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com[0612!07.065704.hD]> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com[0612!07.065704.hD]> Message-ID: <20061207155440.M10380@littlefish.ca> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:56:58 +0100, Raphaël Pinson wrote > While it is a mere choice (which is not recommended) to use root > login instead of sudo on Kubuntu, it is a really bad idea to login > as root graphically, which is why login as root is disabled in > kdmrc. You can access administrative sections of the settings with > sudo on Kubuntu, aswell as login as root in a console if you really > want to. > > Sysadmin/netadmin tasks don't usually require a graphical interface, > and when they do, Kubuntu is set to provide an administrative > interface with sudo, so you never need to login as root. Nobody ever 'needs' to login as root. This has been a unix first commandment long before the graphical desktop. But it's a heck of alot more convenient. When computers evolved from punched cards, to telex terminals nobody ever suggested that a telex terminal was 'unsafe' and we should stick to punched cards 'serious root stuff' (even though it was no a 1000 times easier to make mistakes on a telex terminal). It was a better interface tool and punch cards became extinct. Now we have the graphical desktop which is a 1000 times better interface tool than a console terminal ever was. I grew up on telex printers and believe me, the GUI isn't just new, it's better and I for one prefer it at all times, root usage included. To suggest otherwise is just a refusal to accept progress. Go back to your horse and buggy if that's what you prefer, I'll take this new fangled horseless buggy called the car thanks. The desktop 'can' be a safer environment for root actions as it provides layer between the user and the system which could be used to prevent 'stupid user tricks' like deleting the root directory. The power of sudu on a console is infinitely more dangerous as there is no limit to what the user can do with it. The console is also a scary and confusing world for the user who is accustomed to the GUI. They 'will not' fully understand what they're doing and will be just as likely to mis-type a command or try something they read else where in a different context. And once they've totally blotted their system with an sudo command they didn't understand, there will be no recourse but to re-install and we're back into MS windows land. The safest way to give users root privileges when they need it is to give them a root login and let them work in he environment they are accustomed to. If the desktop is so unsafe that it's risky to use as root, then this is a problem that should be addressed, not just shuffled under the carpet with the more scary tales of the evils of root login. (In my personal opinion with +20 years of hacking computers) Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From vayu at sklinks.com Thu Dec 7 16:27:47 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:27:47 -0800 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> Message-ID: <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:03, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from clay weber who wrote: > > >> What I truly don't understand is the general reactions I see on this >> subject as I don't see it as an earth-shattering difference between the >> two ways, really. >> > > I see it as a strange schizophrenic turn of mind, on the one hand claiming > that (unlike those people at Redmont, whom we all love to hate) "Linux is all > about freedom of choice", and on the other hand telling us the same time > that "We are K/Ubuntu of Borg, resistance is futile, you shall not use Root > or su". > > Cheers, > > Ron. > -- > Mit der Dummheit käpfen Götter selbst vergebens. > -- Friedrich von Schiller > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > > You can enable a root user, you can also use sudo as root, you can use sudo as a user, where is the lack of choice? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Dec 7 16:35:41 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:35:41 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu - some first thoughts In-Reply-To: <45783E27.3030500@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk[0612!07.102142.CE]> References: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200612071056.18785.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45783E27.3030500@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk[0612!07.102142.CE]> Message-ID: <20061207162725.M79504@littlefish.ca> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:15:35 +0000, Neil Winchurst wrote > K Menu > System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard. You will see > 'Numlock on KDE Startup'. Choose 'Turn on'. That's all well and good, but what's up with choose 'Leave Unchanged'. This should be the default. For those with numeric keypads on the keyboard, the numlock key should be the first place to go to when it's set incorrectly. Kubuntu is the first distro I've tried that can't return the keyboard numlock key to it's previous state without specifically setting it to either 'turn on' or 'turn off'. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Dec 7 16:47:43 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:47:43 -0600 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com[0612!07.102727.GE]> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com[0612!07.102727.GE]> Message-ID: <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:27:47 -0800, Vayu wrote > You can enable a root user, you can also use sudo as root, you can > usesudo as a user, where is the lack of choice? Enabling the root user requires giving it a password. Which immediately breaks the user sudo. Users continue to get popup password prompts, even though their user password no longer works with sudo. And even worse some applications carry on as if the user really did have sudo privileges and report the actions were completed, even though nothing is changed (I believe Armarok tried to install a missing package, went through all the motions and finished with 'successful', even though it didn't do a darn thing because the user didn't have sudo privileges anymore). You can't have it both ways without significant 're-organizing' of the system. The users may not need to know or care, but administrators are going to be spending a significant amount of time 'undoing' the Kubuntu sudo changes after every install. Seems that energy (from both sides) could be better spent making the distro safer in other ways. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From raphink at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 7 16:55:52 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:55:52 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <20061207155440.M10380@littlefish.ca> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <4577F442.6090803@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <20061207155440.M10380@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <8ce271500612070855u4e9822f5x3d63fc2feb3fac85@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Scott Mazur wrote: > > The desktop 'can' be a safer environment for root actions as it provides > layer > between the user and the system which could be used to prevent 'stupid > user > tricks' like deleting the root directory. The power of sudu on a console > is > infinitely more dangerous as there is no limit to what the user can do > with > it. The console is also a scary and confusing world for the user who is > accustomed to the GUI. They 'will not' fully understand what they're > doing > and will be just as likely to mis-type a command or try something they > read > else where in a different context. And once they've totally blotted their > system with an sudo command they didn't understand, there will be no > recourse > but to re-install and we're back into MS windows land. > On the contrary, sudo is much safer when dealt with properly, because you can restrict the privileges to some commands, on some hosts, for some users. For example, using Cmnd_Alias PBUILDER = /usr/sbin/pbuilder %pbuilder ALL = NOPASSWD: PBUILDER allows members of the pbuilder unix group to call /usr/sbin/pbuilder as root on all hosts without entering a password, but nothing else. It can be extended to a lot of things, so that a computer that is properly configured with sudo is actually safer, and only a few users can have access to a few commands. Typically, I think my mom should be able to upgrade her computer with adept, but not use rm or such commands as root. So I would give her sudo rights on adept/apt-get and so on but only on that. Regards, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the more than undoing the sudo stuff in Kubuntu would mean rebuilding quite a lot of packages without patches, and possible breaking a lot of things. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rscrawford at mossroot.com Thu Dec 7 17:01:52 2006 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard Crawford) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:01:52 -0800 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com[0612!07.102727.GE]> <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612070901.52909.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:47, Scott Mazur wrote: > The users may not need to know or care, but administrators are going to be > spending a significant amount of time 'undoing' the Kubuntu sudo changes > after every install.  Seems that energy (from both sides) could be better > spent making the distro safer in other ways. At the risk of sounding like an ass: if the distro does not suit your purpose or meet your needs, switch to one that does, rather than continue to point out why Kubuntu does *not* meet your needs. That's choice, and it's a perfectly good option. I myself prefer Kubuntu for both desktop and server installations, and have never found sudo a hindrance, nor do I miss su (I have root login disabled on my non-Kubuntu systems). In fact, when administering my FC systems, I frequently miss sudo. -- Richard S. Crawford (http://www.mossroot.com) "That which does not kill me makes me stranger." -Llewellyn, from Ozy & Millie From vayu at sklinks.com Thu Dec 7 17:08:36 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:08:36 -0800 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com[0612!07.102727.GE]> <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <45784A94.7020207@sklinks.com> Scott Mazur wrote: > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:27:47 -0800, Vayu wrote > >> You can enable a root user, you can also use sudo as root, you can >> usesudo as a user, where is the lack of choice? >> > > Enabling the root user requires giving it a password. Which immediately > breaks the user sudo. Users continue to get popup password prompts, even > though their user password no longer works with sudo. And even worse some > applications carry on as if the user really did have sudo privileges and > report the actions were completed, even though nothing is changed (I believe > Armarok tried to install a missing package, went through all the motions and > finished with 'successful', even though it didn't do a darn thing because the > user didn't have sudo privileges anymore). > > You can't have it both ways without significant 're-organizing' of the system. > > The users may not need to know or care, but administrators are going to be > spending a significant amount of time 'undoing' the Kubuntu sudo changes after > every install. Seems that energy (from both sides) could be better spent > making the distro safer in other ways. > > Scott > > On FreeBSD I installed sudo. I then had both root and sudo available. Might you be able to enable root, then uninstall and then reinstall sudo? From raphink at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 7 17:08:53 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:08:53 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070901.52909.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> <200612070901.52909.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <8ce271500612070908m7f02f011m1f7da5527922e253@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Richard Crawford wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:47, Scott Mazur wrote: > > The users may not need to know or care, but administrators are going to > be > > spending a significant amount of time 'undoing' the Kubuntu sudo changes > > after every install. Seems that energy (from both sides) could be better > > spent making the distro safer in other ways. > > At the risk of sounding like an ass: if the distro does not suit your > purpose > or meet your needs, switch to one that does, rather than continue to point > out why Kubuntu does *not* meet your needs. That's choice, and it's a > perfectly good option. > > I myself prefer Kubuntu for both desktop and server installations, and > have > never found sudo a hindrance, nor do I miss su (I have root login disabled > on > my non-Kubuntu systems). In fact, when administering my FC systems, I > frequently miss sudo. Indeed, I consider the default use of sudo one of the most interesting traits of Ubuntu and derivatives, and since almost all other distros don't use it, it's just very easy to choose another one that uses su by default, instead of batteling with sudo. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vayu at sklinks.com Thu Dec 7 17:18:29 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:18:29 -0800 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612070901.52909.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com[0612!07.102727.GE]> <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> <200612070901.52909.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <45784CE5.1090004@sklinks.com> Richard Crawford wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:47, Scott Mazur wrote: > >> The users may not need to know or care, but administrators are going to be >> spending a significant amount of time 'undoing' the Kubuntu sudo changes >> after every install. Seems that energy (from both sides) could be better >> spent making the distro safer in other ways. >> > > At the risk of sounding like an ass: if the distro does not suit your purpose > or meet your needs, switch to one that does, rather than continue to point > out why Kubuntu does *not* meet your needs. That's choice, and it's a > perfectly good option. > > I myself prefer Kubuntu for both desktop and server installations, and have > never found sudo a hindrance, nor do I miss su (I have root login disabled on > my non-Kubuntu systems). In fact, when administering my FC systems, I > frequently miss sudo. > > I'm in agreement here. I can't imagine being that dis-satisfied with something and constantly complaining about what I can't change to people that don't have the same complaint nor an ability to change it either. I was also hesitant to suggest finding another distro as well because I'm not usually fond of the love it or leave it mentality, but at some point one has to either surrender or go get what you need. Besides all that, this distro is a gift. If someone gives me a shirt I don't like and it can't be returned or easily altered, I say (and feel) thank you, and then don't wear it. From T.Six at gmx.de Thu Dec 7 17:34:25 2006 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:34:25 +0100 Subject: Minimize All: How? In-Reply-To: <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> References: <36135600612062121h2d8ce8cq8ee0f499cd6a14cc@mail.gmail.com> <200612062217.26029.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: Manuel McLure wrote the following on 07.12.2006 07:17: > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 21:21, Ali Milis wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there a "minimize all" button in KDE/Kubuntu? >> I tried to google; but I can not find anything workable. > > Add the "Show Desktop" applet to your panel. That does what you want. Not sure about kde but in gnome ALT+STRG+d does this, too. If not set allready you probably can set in kcontrol. bye Thilo -- i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE - some friend of mine gpg key: 0x4A411E09 From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:55:39 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:55:39 -0700 Subject: KDE Wallet AWOL Message-ID: <200612071055.39976.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> after a recent upgrade KDE wallet went missing..Anyone else having this problem? From henrigira at numericable.fr Thu Dec 7 17:57:37 2006 From: henrigira at numericable.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:57:37 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <8ce271500612070456w3934bc8fs602fa2c0e8cac674@mail.gmail.com> <45781F1E.8050600@claydoh.com> <200612071147.26007.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <45785611.7080206@numericable.fr> I don't want anybody to choose for me... enaugh of politicians or bill gates on xp bullshit... You know : it's not a matter of lazyness or anything.. just a matter of principle... worse i went on fc6 and people got mad when i had problem with root and asked how to get rid of it... young people thing old are useless... old thing yuong are useless... an old story as old as the earth :) lol But i like kubuntu edgy and i choose to accept this "singularity"... soon feisty ... so i can play with it all day :) thanks XXX buntu teams and even if you say craps sometimes i forgive you for your great work :) lol Henri Vayu wrote: > Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >> On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:03, my mailbox was graced by a missive >> from clay weber who wrote: >> >> >>> What I truly don't understand is the general reactions I see on this >>> subject as I don't see it as an earth-shattering difference between the >>> two ways, really. >>> >> >> I see it as a strange schizophrenic turn of mind, on the one hand claiming >> that (unlike those people at Redmont, whom we all love to hate) "Linux is all >> about freedom of choice", and on the other hand telling us the same time >> that "We are K/Ubuntu of Borg, resistance is futile, you shall not use Root >> or su". >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ron. >> -- >> Mit der Dummheit käpfen Götter selbst vergebens. >> -- Friedrich von Schiller >> >> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >> >> > > You can enable a root user, you can also use sudo as root, you can use > sudo as a user, where is the lack of choice? > From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 18:07:46 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:07:46 -0500 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45784103.3070307@sklinks.com[0612!07.102727.GE]> <20061207163630.M67085@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612071308.00343.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:47, Scott Mazur wrote: > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:27:47 -0800, Vayu wrote > > > You can enable a root user, you can also use sudo as root, you can > > usesudo as a user, where is the lack of choice? > > Enabling the root user requires giving it a password. Which immediately > breaks the user sudo. Users continue to get popup password prompts, even > though their user password no longer works with sudo. This is just incorrect. I enabled the root user back when I used Warty, and I can still enter my user password when I want to use sudo -- which is most of the time. Some programs just don't work with sudo: some firewalls and mondo come to mind as examples. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some backup software -- I use > > Mondo -- > > doesn't work with sudo. > > -- > > How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? Try it. If you try to back up any files that you don't own, it tells you that it can't (or won't) do it with sudo. I 'su -c mondo' and everything works fine. > > `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use this > program just the same as if you were logged as user root. So if you get a root console, with all of its insecurities, why is doing it that way better than just su? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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Everyone's home directory is full of hidden files but no-one ever complains about that. cheers, -- Simon Edwards             | KDE-NL, Guidance tools, Guarddog Firewall simon at simonzone.com       | http://www.simonzone.com/software/ Nijmegen, The Netherlands | "ZooTV? You made the right choice." From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 18:21:47 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:21:47 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu - some first thoughts In-Reply-To: <20061207162725.M79504@littlefish.ca> References: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <45783E27.3030500@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk[0612!07.102142.CE]> <20061207162725.M79504@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612071321.49114.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:35, Scott Mazur wrote: > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:15:35 +0000, Neil Winchurst wrote > > > K Menu > System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard. You will see > > 'Numlock on KDE Startup'. Choose 'Turn on'. > > That's all well and good, but what's up with choose 'Leave Unchanged'. > This should be the default. For those with numeric keypads on the > keyboard, the numlock key should be the first place to go to when it's set > incorrectly. > > Kubuntu is the first distro I've tried that can't return the keyboard > numlock key to it's previous state without specifically setting it to > either 'turn on' or 'turn off'. > First off, the numlock thing is an X default, not a Kubuntu thing. Second, having KDE turn it on isn't enough if you want to use the numlock with the KDM login because, X turns numlock off. There is a way to get X to leave or turn numlock on. I did it, but I don't remember how anymore. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Dec 7 18:59:51 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:59:51 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu - some first thoughts In-Reply-To: <200612071321.49114.art.alexion@verizon.net[0612!07.122218.vE]> References: <457812B2.5030307@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <45783E27.3030500@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk[0612!07.102142.CE]> <20061207162725.M79504@littlefish.ca> <200612071321.49114.art.alexion@verizon.net[0612!07.122218.vE]> Message-ID: <20061207184717.M80234@littlefish.ca> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:21:47 -0500, Art Alexion wrote > On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:35, Scott Mazur wrote: > > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:15:35 +0000, Neil Winchurst wrote > > > > > K Menu > System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard. You will see > > > 'Numlock on KDE Startup'. Choose 'Turn on'. > > > > That's all well and good, but what's up with choose 'Leave Unchanged'. > > This should be the default. For those with numeric keypads on the > > keyboard, the numlock key should be the first place to go to when it's set > > incorrectly. > > > > Kubuntu is the first distro I've tried that can't return the keyboard > > numlock key to it's previous state without specifically setting it to > > either 'turn on' or 'turn off'. > > > > First off, the numlock thing is an X default, not a Kubuntu thing. > Second, having KDE turn it on isn't enough if you want to use the > numlock with the KDM login because, X turns numlock off. There is a > way to get X to leave or turn numlock on. I did it, but I don't > remember how anymore. Hey! You're right! I just played with different combinations of loging in and out of with nunlock set/off on my old system and each logout turned it back on in KDM and each login turned it back on in KDE. Hmmm... Guess that's what the 'numlock' daemon was for. Shame KDE isn't smart enough by now to check and remember on it's own. Can anyone explain why 'on' wasn't chosen for the default setting? Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Thu Dec 7 19:02:01 2006 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:02:01 -0300 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <45784CE5.1090004@sklinks.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070901.52909.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <45784CE5.1090004@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200612071602.01986.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Thursday 07 December 2006 14:18, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Vayu who wrote: > I'm in agreement here.  I can't imagine being that dis-satisfied with > something and constantly complaining about what I can't change to people > that don't have the same complaint nor an ability to change it either.   You may not have noticed, but since this thread began I have learned how to activate the root account, how to enable root graphical login, and most of my problems with Kubuntu are slowly getting solved. > I was also hesitant to suggest finding another distro as well because > I'm not usually fond of the love it or leave it mentality, but at some > point one has to either surrender or go get what you need. It is because I do like it that I keep tryi,h to tailor it to my taste and needs; otherwise I would already have gone somewhere else. > Besides all that, this distro is a gift.  If someone gives me a shirt > I don't like and it can't be returned or easily altered, I say (and feel) > thank you, and then don't wear it. Different turn of mind, I try to retailor it to my taste, so I can wear it. Cheers, Ron. -- If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then you clearly don't understand the situation. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Thu Dec 7 18:35:48 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:35:48 -0800 Subject: KDE Wallet AWOL References: <200612071055.39976.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <87y7pja70b.fsf@fjellstad.org> Grumpy writes: > after a recent upgrade KDE wallet went missing..Anyone else having this > problem? In Edgy, kwallet doesn't seem to show up until you first use it. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Dec 7 19:11:10 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:11:10 -0600 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612071925.32494.simon@simonzone.com[0612!07.122118.uE]> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <45750D8C.5040302@gmail.com> <45757059.2080904@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612071925.32494.simon@simonzone.com[0612!07.122118.uE]> Message-ID: <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:25:32 +0100, Simon Edwards wrote > Just out of curiosity, what are you people typically doing with > Konqueror in /bin, /usr etc? > > Everyone's home directory is full of hidden files but no-one ever > complains about that. Maybe more people are logging in as root and expecting to see a fully populated / directory ;) I think the comparison with home directory is missing the point. If you need to see hidden files in home, it's as simple as selecting 'show hidden files' in the menu. You can even make it your personal preference. However with the .hiddens file, you have no options to view or hide it anymore. Newbies may not care, but anyone who's spent any time at all in KDE is going to get a little concerned when the system directories appear to be missing or un-reachable. Myself, I like have the whole directory tree at my disposal. If I need to drag files from one system folder to another, I can do that straight across the navigator panel. I can't do that if the navigator panel is crippled. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From obsidion at ihug.co.nz Thu Dec 7 19:29:00 2006 From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:29:00 +1300 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612071925.32494.simon@simonzone.com[0612!07.122118.uE]> <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612080829.00740.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> Around Friday 08 December 2006 08:11, Scott Mazur wibbled of : > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:25:32 +0100, Simon Edwards wrote > > > Just out of curiosity, what are you people typically doing with > > Konqueror in /bin, /usr etc? > > > > Everyone's home directory is full of hidden files but no-one ever > > complains about that. > > Maybe more people are logging in as root and expecting to see a fully > populated / directory ;) > Personally I use yakuake when I want to search my my home directory for files and ls -a > I think the comparison with home directory is missing the point. If you > need to see hidden files in home, it's as simple as selecting 'show hidden > files' in the menu. You can even make it your personal preference. > > However with the .hiddens file, you have no options to view or hide it > anymore. Newbies may not care, but anyone who's spent any time at all in > KDE is going to get a little concerned when the system directories appear > to be missing or un-reachable. > Where it is a real pain is if you are trying to find a helper add for say firefox. I see it has been removed in Feisty, good it was a very short-sighted thing to do imho. -- ~~~ Aaargh no it's mail from some weirdo ~~~ homepages http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~obsidion http://obsidion.kwister.com Linux user # 215413 From james at gray.net.au Thu Dec 7 19:51:26 2006 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:51:26 +1100 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612050041.20796.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: On 05/12/2006, at 10:41 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Monday 04 December 2006 23:50, xavier mas wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am a new user in Kubuntu coming from Mandriva after six years >> with it. So far, I think Kubuntu is fast and reliable, tough >> don't like so much the missing superuser and sudo commad. >> However, I have a questions about it that is: how can I see in >> Konqueror the directory tree? I have only my home directory and >> media directory in it. Also I'd like to know if there is any work >> around to create a superuser. > > About Konqueror : > > In your / directory there is a file called @.hidden which contains > directories to hide from view in Konqueror. You can edit that > file - but don't delete it. > > For example : sudo mc (to open Midnight Commander) > then F4 to edit and F2 to save. Be careful running mc with sudo; it (mc) has a tendency to write out its settings file in your home directory, and if it does that after being executed with sudo the settings file will be owned by root. Then the next time you run mc as your normal user account, you wont be able to save any settings. Same applies to any other program you execute as root. All is not lost! Simply add the "-H" switch to sudo befpre running a program and that will tell it to use root's home instead of yours :) If you really want to get fancy you could alias "sudo -H" to "mysudo". Edit ~/.bash_profile and add the following line: alias mysudo="sudo -H" While you're at it, you could also add a "rshell" alias for "root shell": alias rshell="sudo -H -s" Voila! Who needs a "real" root account?! (man sudo is your friend) Cheers, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2426 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simon at simonzone.com Thu Dec 7 20:12:28 2006 From: simon at simonzone.com (Simon Edwards) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:12:28 +0100 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200612072112.28167.simon@simonzone.com> On Thursday 07 December 2006 20:11, Scott Mazur wrote: > I think the comparison with home directory is missing the point. If you > need > to see hidden files in home, it's as simple as selecting 'show hidden files' > in the menu. You can even make it your personal preference. > > However with the .hiddens file, you have no options to view or hide it > anymore. You have the same option as with the home directory. => 'show hidden files'. It will work in the root directory too. > Newbies may not care, but anyone who's spent any time at all in KDE > is going to get a little concerned when the system directories appear to be > missing or un-reachable. True. But isn't that more an issue of education, and clearer docs. > Myself, I like have the whole directory tree at my disposal. If I need to > drag files from one system folder to another, I can do that straight across > the navigator panel. I can't do that if the navigator panel is crippled. But when was the last time that you did that considering that most (all?) of the directories that are hidden are also only writable by root? In the last week? month? year even? cheers, -- Simon Edwards             | KDE-NL, Guidance tools, Guarddog Firewall simon at simonzone.com       | http://www.simonzone.com/software/ Nijmegen, The Netherlands | "ZooTV? You made the right choice." From kandew at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 20:24:51 2006 From: kandew at gmail.com (Liz Young) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:24:51 -0800 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612071925.32494.simon@simonzone.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <45757059.2080904@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612071925.32494.simon@simonzone.com> Message-ID: <200612071224.51334.kandew@gmail.com> On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:25, Simon Edwards wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what are you people typically doing with > Konqueror in /bin, /usr etc? I'm not one of "you people" in this thread, but I'm browsing /usr/share/ to learn more about the how the system works. When I want to see the contents of a bunch of files, it's easier to browse around with dolphin or konqi and open scripts/readme's with the built-in viewer (or kate for syntax highlighting) then to cat/less. Is that not recommended in Kubuntu? Thanks for your work Simon. -Liz From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Thu Dec 7 20:52:52 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:52:52 -0700 Subject: KDE Wallet AWOL In-Reply-To: <87y7pja70b.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <200612071055.39976.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <87y7pja70b.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200612071352.52774.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:35, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Grumpy writes: > > after a recent upgrade KDE wallet went missing..Anyone else having this > > problem? > > In Edgy, kwallet doesn't seem to show up until you first use it. does this mean that I have to reinstall kmail? [thats where I keep the account passwords] > > -- > John L. Fjellstad > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From vayu at sklinks.com Thu Dec 7 21:04:36 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:04:36 -0800 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612071224.51334.kandew@gmail.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <45757059.2080904@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612071925.32494.simon@simonzone.com> <200612071224.51334.kandew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <457881E4.3030700@sklinks.com> Liz Young wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:25, Simon Edwards wrote: > >> Just out of curiosity, what are you people typically doing with >> Konqueror in /bin, /usr etc? >> > > I'm not one of "you people" in this thread, but I'm browsing /usr/share/ > to learn more about the how the system works. When I want to see the > contents of a bunch of files, it's easier to browse around with dolphin > or konqi and open scripts/readme's with the built-in viewer (or kate > for syntax highlighting) then to cat/less. Is that not recommended in > Kubuntu? > > Thanks for your work Simon. > > -Liz > > Me too, I use konqueror for exploration and maintenance regularly. I find the visual overview invaluable. From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Dec 7 21:13:48 2006 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:13:48 -0800 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612072112.28167.simon@simonzone.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> <200612072112.28167.simon@simonzone.com> Message-ID: <200612071313.48162.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Thursday 07 December 2006 12:12 pm, Simon Edwards wrote: > But when was the last time that you did that considering that most (all?) > of the directories that are hidden are also only writable by root? In the > last week? month? year even? I just browsed /var/Log to read dpkg.log to see if the updates I did this morning had included updates to Konqueror (they did), as I suddenly can't load any of my saved view profiles -- the menu item is missing and the toolbar icon doesn't do anything. :-( John Vifian -- Justify my text? I'm sorry but it has no excuse. From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 7 21:45:18 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:45:18 +0000 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071428.21146.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> <200612071428.21146.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <45788B6E.1020402@blueyonder.co.uk> Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 07:03, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > >> On 12/7/06, Art Alexion wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: >>> >>>> I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as >>>> I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. >>>> >>> Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I use >>> Mondo -- >>> doesn't work with sudo. >>> -- >>> >> How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? >> >> `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use this >> program just the same as if you were logged as user root. >> > and this is better than using su ?....How? > In that example it's the same as su. But that's just one example of using sudo. Tez From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 7 21:48:03 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:48:03 +0000 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071315.44296.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> <200612071315.44296.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45788C13.2090609@blueyonder.co.uk> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:03, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > >> On 12/7/06, Art Alexion wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 07 December 2006 06:00, Tez wrote: >>> >>>> I'm going to skip the whole "why you shouldn't log in as root" part, as >>>> I assume you know all about that, and just tell you how to do it. >>>> >>> Renaud wanted to log in for a backup. Some backup software -- I use >>> Mondo -- >>> doesn't work with sudo. >>> -- >>> >> How do you mean it doesn't work with sudo? >> > > Try it. If you try to back up any files that you don't own, it tells you that > it can't (or won't) do it with sudo. I 'su -c mondo' and everything works > fine. > > >> `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use this >> program just the same as if you were logged as user root. >> > > So if you get a root console, with all of its insecurities, why is doing it > that way better than just su? > > > Because, 1) only members of the adm group can get a root shell and 2) you don't have to give out a root password for more than 1 user to run privileged commands. Tez From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Dec 7 22:51:40 2006 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:51:40 -0600 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612072112.28167.simon@simonzone.com[0612!07.140830.PF]> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <20061207190026.M11948@littlefish.ca> <200612072112.28167.simon@simonzone.com[0612!07.140830.PF]> Message-ID: <20061207224252.M40444@littlefish.ca> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:12:28 +0100, Simon Edwards wrote > You have the same option as with the home directory. => 'show hidden > files'. It will work in the root directory too. Yes, in the main window, but not in the navigation window. It also sucks (and this is in no way kubuntu related) that the navigation window won't show hidden directories no way no how. > > Newbies may not care, but anyone who's spent any time at all in KDE > > is going to get a little concerned when the system directories appear to be > > missing or un-reachable. > > True. But isn't that more an issue of education, and clearer docs. Certainly. I wasn't even aware KDE had a .hidden file feature. After it was pointed out on the list here, I emptied it and now I'm happy as a clam. Maybe it's not a bad thing, but it certainly is odd. Besides, Konqueror should be defaulting to the user's home directory anyway (it is isn't it?) So the common user probaly won't even know or care what exists outside of home. Which sort of circles back to why hide anything when they do venture out? > > Myself, I like have the whole directory tree at my disposal. If I need to > > drag files from one system folder to another, I can do that straight across > > the navigator panel. I can't do that if the navigator panel is crippled. > > But when was the last time that you did that considering that most > (all?) of the directories that are hidden are also only writable by > root? In the last week? month? year even? You've been missing the previous heated discussions regarding root login ;) Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Dec 7 23:10:48 2006 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:10:48 -0800 Subject: new in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200612071313.48162.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200612042350.16156.xaviermasr@ya.com> <200612072112.28167.simon@simonzone.com> <200612071313.48162.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200612071510.48141.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Thursday 07 December 2006 1:13 pm, John L Vifian wrote: > I suddenly can't > load any of my saved view profiles -- the menu item is missing So I edited my ~/kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc and added: because it seemed likely that with an that it would be the correct syntax. It apparently was as I got the menu item back. However this raises another question of what possible menu items there might be that we aren't getting, how to find out what these might be. For instance, I can add two terminal Icons to the toolbars to either open a separate terminal or to open one in the current Konqueror screen. AFAIK there is no menu option for either of these. How do I find out what the correct "Action" is to add these? John Vifian -- Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control! From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Thu Dec 7 23:16:34 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:16:34 -0500 Subject: sudo free-for-all Message-ID: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> Could someone pelase explain to me why every user I have added to my system has access to sudo, when I have not added them to admin, sudo or root? Nor have I added sudo, admin or root to their accounts. How do I disable this? And, why is it that every user on the system can access everyone else´s /home? Shouldn´t each individual´s /home only be accessible to that particular user? I thought security was supposed to be better with sudo, or something, but I´m not seeing that. I mean, I suppose perhaps from outside the system, I don´t know, but within it, it´s a free-for-all. I want to be the only user on the system with sudo, and I don´t want anyone to be able to access my /home, or anyone else´s, besides their own (like I had it in Fedora...well, okay, I was the only with root, not sudo, but you get the idea)... tony From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 23:22:14 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:22:14 -0800 Subject: sudo free-for-all In-Reply-To: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> Message-ID: There is a file called "sudoers" in /etc which you can use to specify which UIDs/GIDs can gain root access. On 12/7/06, anthony baldwin wrote: > Could someone pelase explain to me why every user I have added > to my system has access to sudo, when I have not added them > to admin, sudo or root? Nor have I added sudo, admin or root to their > accounts. > How do I disable this? > And, why is it that every user on the system can access everyone else´s > /home? Shouldn´t each individual´s /home only be accessible to that > particular user? > I thought security was supposed to be better with sudo, or something, > but I´m not seeing that. I mean, I suppose perhaps from outside the > system, I don´t know, but within it, it´s a free-for-all. > > I want to be the only user on the system with sudo, and I don´t want > anyone to be able to access my /home, or anyone else´s, besides their > own (like I had it in Fedora...well, okay, > I was the only with root, not sudo, but you get the idea)... > > tony > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Thu Dec 7 23:35:35 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:35:35 -0500 Subject: sudo free-for-all In-Reply-To: References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4578A547.9000804@optonline.net> Lord Sauron wrote: >There is a file called "sudoers" in /etc which you can use to specify >which UIDs/GIDs can gain root access. > > Okay, well that solves one problem, but what about locking down /home dirs? Oddly, everyone can access everyone else´s /home, but can´t access the other users´ /home/Desktop. I find that odd. I think the /home should be locked down. Thanks for helping out with sudoers. tony >On 12/7/06, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>Could someone pelase explain to me why every user I have added >>to my system has access to sudo, when I have not added them >>to admin, sudo or root? Nor have I added sudo, admin or root to their >>accounts. >>How do I disable this? >>And, why is it that every user on the system can access everyone else´s >>/home? Shouldn´t each individual´s /home only be accessible to that >>particular user? >>I thought security was supposed to be better with sudo, or something, >>but I´m not seeing that. I mean, I suppose perhaps from outside the >>system, I don´t know, but within it, it´s a free-for-all. >> >>I want to be the only user on the system with sudo, and I don´t want >>anyone to be able to access my /home, or anyone else´s, besides their >>own (like I had it in Fedora...well, okay, >>I was the only with root, not sudo, but you get the idea)... >> >>tony >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>kubuntu-users mailing list >>kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > > > From kaj at haulrich.net Thu Dec 7 23:51:26 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:51:26 +0100 Subject: sudo free-for-all In-Reply-To: <4578A547.9000804@optonline.net> References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <4578A547.9000804@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200612080051.26955.kaj@haulrich.net> On Friday 08 December 2006 00:35, anthony baldwin wrote: > Okay, well that solves one problem, but what about locking down > /home dirs? Oddly, everyone can access everyone else´s /home, but > can´t access the other users´ /home/Desktop. > I find that odd. I think the /home should be locked down. Well, I'm new to Kubuntu as well and it surprised me too. Maybe the overall 'philosophy' of Kubuntu is to have one user only ? Nevermind, it's easy enough to correct : In a terminal : cd /home sudo chmod 700 Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Thu Dec 7 23:53:00 2006 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:53:00 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IHN1ZG8gZnJlZS1mb3ItYWxsIChlZGl0aW5nIHN1ZG9lcnM/ICA=?= =?UTF-8?B?bWFuIHN1ZG9lcnMgZGlkbsK0dCBoZWxwKQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4578A95C.1070106@optonline.net> Lord Sauron wrote: >There is a file called "sudoers" in /etc which you can use to specify >which UIDs/GIDs can gain root access. > > Okay, I´m not sure what to do to disable access for the other users. I read man sudoers, but it seems to tell me how to enable access for users, but not disable it. All I have in sudoers now is: # User privilege specification root ALL=(ALL) ALL # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL But I am the only user in the admin group....So why do my other users have access to sudo? They´re not in admin, nor in the sudo group... I´m a bit lost. I don´t see where it says that anyone other than root and myself (the only member of the admin group) can get sudo, but, nonetheless, other users can get sudo... tony >On 12/7/06, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>Could someone pelase explain to me why every user I have added >>to my system has access to sudo, when I have not added them >>to admin, sudo or root? Nor have I added sudo, admin or root to their >>accounts. >>How do I disable this? >>And, why is it that every user on the system can access everyone else´s >>/home? Shouldn´t each individual´s /home only be accessible to that >>particular user? >>I thought security was supposed to be better with sudo, or something, >>but I´m not seeing that. I mean, I suppose perhaps from outside the >>system, I don´t know, but within it, it´s a free-for-all. >> >>I want to be the only user on the system with sudo, and I don´t want >>anyone to be able to access my /home, or anyone else´s, besides their >>own (like I had it in Fedora...well, okay, >>I was the only with root, not sudo, but you get the idea)... >> >>tony >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>kubuntu-users mailing list >>kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > > > From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Thu Dec 7 23:59:38 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:59:38 -0700 Subject: sudo free-for-all In-Reply-To: <200612080051.26955.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <4578A547.9000804@optonline.net> <200612080051.26955.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <200612071659.38405.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:51, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Friday 08 December 2006 00:35, anthony baldwin wrote: > > Okay, well that solves one problem, but what about locking down > > /home dirs? Oddly, everyone can access everyone else´s /home, but > > can´t access the other users´ /home/Desktop. > > I find that odd. I think the /home should be locked down. > > Well, I'm new to Kubuntu as well and it surprised me too. Maybe the > overall 'philosophy' of Kubuntu is to have one user only ? > > Nevermind, it's easy enough to correct : > > In a terminal : > cd /home > sudo chmod 700 O.K,\. we have a work around for a problem that should never have arisen in the first place > > Kaj Haulrich. > -- > *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** > ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Thu Dec 7 23:15:43 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:15:43 -0800 Subject: KDE Wallet AWOL References: <200612071055.39976.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <87y7pja70b.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200612071352.52774.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <87ac1znvq8.fsf@fjellstad.org> Grumpy writes: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:35, John L Fjellstad wrote: >> Grumpy writes: >> > after a recent upgrade KDE wallet went missing..Anyone else having this >> > problem? >> >> In Edgy, kwallet doesn't seem to show up until you first use it. > does this mean that I have to reinstall kmail? > [thats where I keep the account passwords] No, I mean when you first use an application that uses kwallet (kmail, konqueror, kopete, whatever), kwallet shows up. It's still running in the background, it's just not showing on the panel anymore (for some reason). It's a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/57696 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129161 -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From james at gray.net.au Fri Dec 8 00:11:46 2006 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:11:46 +1100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070829.37011.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr> Message-ID: <200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au> On Thursday 07 December 2006 23:52, Henri Girard wrote: > thanks too... because sudo is really crap :) > Henri sudo, like many other tools has its place. However, on a single-user system where the only user is also the administrator, I agree - sudo is pretty pointless...but the same logic can be applied in that case for the existence of a real root account being pointless too ("su -" versus "sudo -H -s"...both of which can be aliased down to a single character if you want). Where sudo comes into its own is when you have a shared system with multiple admins. Not all admins were created equal (sadly) and you probably don't want every admin having "full root" privileges. By using "sudo" the more senior/experienced admins can limit the scope of the junior admins. Like I said in the first paragraph, where there is only a single admin, the use of sudo is more a religious argument than a practical one. Peace, James -- Beware of Bigfoot! From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Dec 8 00:31:04 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:31:04 -0700 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr> <200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <200612071731.04648.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Thursday 07 December 2006 17:11, James Gray wrote: > Where sudo comes into its own is when you have a shared system with > multiple admins.  Not all admins were created equal (sadly) and you > probably don't want every admin having "full root" privileges.  By using > "sudo" the more senior/experienced admins can limit the scope of the junior > admins.  Like I said in the first paragraph, where there is only a single > admin, the use of sudo is more a religious argument than a practical one. Which kind of misses the point as most of us are single users/administrators the power users are not using Kubuntu anyway -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 02:09:47 2006 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Lord Sauron) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:09:47 -0800 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_sudo_free-for-all_(editing_s?= =?UTF-8?Q?udoers=3F_man_sudoers_didn=C2=B4t_help)?= In-Reply-To: <4578A95C.1070106@optonline.net> References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <4578A95C.1070106@optonline.net> Message-ID: Mine is a bit more lengthy than that. it says all this: Welcome to fish, the friendly interactive shell Type help for instructions on how to use fish lsauron at localhost ~> cat /etc/sudoers cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied lsauron at localhost ~> sudo cat /etc/sudoers ## Sudoers allows particular users to run various commands as ## the root user, without needing the root password. ## ## Examples are provided at the bottom of the file for collections ## of related commands, which can then be delegated out to particular ## users or groups. ## ## This file must be edited with the 'visudo' command. ## Host Aliases ## Groups of machines. You may prefer to use hostnames (perhap using ## wildcards for entire domains) or IP addresses instead. # Host_Alias FILESERVERS = fs1, fs2 # Host_Alias MAILSERVERS = smtp, smtp2 ## User Aliases ## These aren't often necessary, as you can use regular groups ## (ie, from files, LDAP, NIS, etc) in this file - just use %groupname ## rather than USERALIAS # User_Alias ADMINS = jsmith, mikem ## Command Aliases ## These are groups of related commands... ## Networking Cmnd_Alias NETWORKING = /sbin/route, /sbin/ifconfig, /bin/ping, /sbin/dhclient, /usr/bin/net, /sbin/iptables, /usr/bin/rfcomm, /usr/bin/wvdial, /sbin/iwconfig, /sbin/mii-tool ## Installation and management of software Cmnd_Alias SOFTWARE = /bin/rpm, /usr/bin/up2date, /usr/bin/yum ## Services Cmnd_Alias SERVICES = /sbin/service, /sbin/chkconfig ## Updating the locate database Cmnd_Alias LOCATE = /usr/sbin/updatedb ## Storage Cmnd_Alias STORAGE = /sbin/fdisk, /sbin/sfdisk, /sbin/parted, /sbin/partprobe, /bin/mount, /bin/umount ## Delegating permissions Cmnd_Alias DELEGATING = /usr/sbin/visudo, /bin/chown, /bin/chmod, /bin/chgrp ## Processes Cmnd_Alias PROCESSES = /bin/nice, /bin/kill, /usr/bin/kill, /usr/bin/killall ## Drivers Cmnd_Alias DRIVERS = /sbin/modprobe # Defaults specification # # Disable "ssh hostname sudo ", because it will show the password in clear. # You have to run "ssh -t hostname sudo ". # Defaults requiretty Defaults env_reset Defaults env_keep = "COLORS DISPLAY HOSTNAME HISTSIZE INPUTRC KDEDIR \ LS_COLORS MAIL PS1 PS2 QTDIR USERNAME \ LANG LC_ADDRESS LC_CTYPE LC_COLLATE LC_IDENTIFICATION \ LC_MEASUREMENT LC_MESSAGES LC_MONETARY LC_NAME LC_NUMERIC \ LC_PAPER LC_TELEPHONE LC_TIME LC_ALL LANGUAGE LINGUAS \ _XKB_CHARSET XAUTHORITY" ## Next comes the main part: which users can run what software on ## which machines (the sudoers file can be shared between multiple ## systems). ## Syntax: ## ## user MACHINE=COMMANDS ## ## The COMMANDS section may have other options added to it. ## ## Allow root to run any commands anywhere root ALL=(ALL) ALL ## Allows members of the 'sys' group to run networking, software, ## service management apps and more. # %sys ALL = NETWORKING, SOFTWARE, SERVICES, STORAGE, DELEGATING, PROCESSES, LOCATE, DRIVERS ## Allows people in group wheel to run all commands # %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL ## Same thing without a password # %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL ## Allows members of the users group to mount and unmount the ## cdrom as root # %users ALL=/sbin/mount /mnt/cdrom, /sbin/umount /mnt/cdrom ## Allows members of the users group to shutdown this system # %users localhost=/sbin/shutdown -h now %users ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/local/AMD/CodeAnalyst/bin/ca_oprofiledaemon %lsauron ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL Maybe there's something in there which is more helpful. I don't know. I've only got one user account and maybe I have your problem but I just don't know it. HTH. NOTE: that config file came from Fedora Core 6. YMMV. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From daniel at rimspace.net Fri Dec 8 02:30:41 2006 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:30:41 +1100 Subject: sudo free-for-all (editing sudoers? man sudoers =?iso-8859-1?Q?didn=B4t?= help) References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <4578A95C.1070106@optonline.net> Message-ID: <87veknf7am.fsf@rimspace.net> anthony baldwin writes: > Lord Sauron wrote: > >>There is a file called "sudoers" in /etc which you can use to specify >>which UIDs/GIDs can gain root access. > > Okay, I´m not sure what to do to disable access for the other users. > I read man sudoers, but it seems to tell me how to enable access for > users, but not disable it. > > All I have in sudoers now is: > > # User privilege specification > root ALL=(ALL) ALL > > # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges > %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL > > > But I am the only user in the admin group....So why do my other users > have access to sudo? They´re not in admin, nor in the sudo group... Well, they then shouldn't have access via sudo to anything. Can you log in as 'someotheruser' and run: id -a sudo id -a Let us know what the output is, so we can see what is going on. > I´m a bit lost. I don´t see where it says that anyone other than root > and myself (the only member of the admin group) can get sudo, but, > nonetheless, other users can get sudo... When you say "get sudo" you do mean "change to another user" rather than just, say, run the sudo binary and get told they don't have permissions? Oh, and I just checked; on 6.10 a new user isn't in admin, and has no access via sudo to root or any other user. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Dec 8 03:55:31 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:55:31 -0800 Subject: sudo free-for-all References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> Message-ID: <87slfrf3d8.fsf@fjellstad.org> anthony baldwin writes: > And, why is it that every user on the system can access everyone else´s > /home? Shouldn´t each individual´s /home only be accessible to that > particular user? It's a Debian thing. No secrets unless the user specifically ask for it (for instance, setting the ~/.ssh directory to 700). You can set the default permission for the home directories for any subsequent created user by editing /etc/adduser.conf. Set DIR_MODE to 750. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Fri Dec 8 06:40:00 2006 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:40:00 -0700 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down References: <200612061529.30439.kandew@gmail.com> Message-ID: Liz Young wrote: > I now use http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu (Portland State Uni, west coast > USA) for Dapper and Edgy.  It's stable, up to date, and really fast. Nice. It is working great for me too and Portland isn't too far from me. Do you have a mirror for security.ubuntu.com also? Here's another thing: I originally installed Edgy (6.10RC). It took a while before I noticed, but all the entries in the sources.list referred to dapper. In addition to switching to the mirror, I also changed dapper to edgy. I now have 762 upgradable packages. Have people found it safe to execute such a large upgrade? If I copy /usr and /etc to a spare partition, will I get back to where I started if I copy them back after an unsuccessful attempt to upgrade? -- Jeffrey Barish From raphink at ubuntu.com Fri Dec 8 07:13:19 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:13:19 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071731.04648.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au> <200612071731.04648.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200612080813.26996.raphink@ubuntu.com> Le Vendredi 8 Décembre 2006 01:31, Grumpy a écrit : > On Thursday 07 December 2006 17:11, James Gray wrote: > > Where sudo comes into its own is when you have a shared system with > > multiple admins.  Not all admins were created equal (sadly) and you > > probably don't want every admin having "full root" privileges.  By using > > "sudo" the more senior/experienced admins can limit the scope of the > > junior admins.  Like I said in the first paragraph, where there is only a > > single admin, the use of sudo is more a religious argument than a > > practical one. > > Which kind of misses the point as most of us are single > users/administrators the power users are not using Kubuntu anyway > Do you have any sources to claim that? I work as a Linux sysadmin and I a vast majority of the sysadmins in my service (that I would consider as power users) run Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu on their desktop machine. As of the server machines, we mostly have Debian sarge machines currently, and are in the process of switching them to sudo rights management, to refine the rights we can give to sysadmins, developers, marketting teams, etc. Regards, -- Raphaël Pinson Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings http://www.ubuntulinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From list.dhooge at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 07:53:43 2006 From: list.dhooge at gmail.com (Michel D'HOOGE) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:53:43 +0100 Subject: Security issue when importing GPG keys [was: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415?] Message-ID: <200612080853.54305.list.dhooge@gmail.com> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 16:30, D. R. Evans wrote: > > > I am fairly paranoid about not installing unsigned packages On Thursday 07 December 2006 01:19, Michel D'HOOGE wrote: > > Why do you believe you are safer once you downloaded the public > > key of someone you don't know? As long as there is no "GPG trust path" > > between you and the guy providing the packages, nothing has changed. On Thursday 07 December 2006 14:39, Art Alexion wrote: > Good point, except one thing. A pgp key at least insures that you continue > to deal with the same person. Yes. Good point for you too :-) > Even outside repositories and email, we did > not necessarily have a "trust path" for most people we deal with. Trust > evolves over repeated dealings. At some point we take a chance, then after > a positive course of experience, we develop trust. I fully agree with that too. We don't have to physically meet the person to give trust to him - there is a life outside of signing parties ;-) However, what worries me is that everywhere (wikis, forums, MLs) you read that to get rid of the APT warnings, you simply have to import GPG keys. Technically, this is perfectly true. But as long as you don't know the providers (most cases I guess), it would be even simpler to just go back to old apt-get versions where the signatures weren't verified... -- Michel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 483 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:59:32 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 07:59:32 -0700 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612080813.26996.raphink@ubuntu.com> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612071731.04648.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612080813.26996.raphink@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200612080759.32465.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 08 December 2006 00:13, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > Le Vendredi 8 Décembre 2006 01:31, Grumpy a écrit : > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 17:11, James Gray wrote: > > > Where sudo comes into its own is when you have a shared system with > > > multiple admins.  Not all admins were created equal (sadly) and you > > > probably don't want every admin having "full root" privileges.  By > > > using "sudo" the more senior/experienced admins can limit the scope of > > > the junior admins.  Like I said in the first paragraph, where there is > > > only a single admin, the use of sudo is more a religious argument than > > > a practical one. > > > > Which kind of misses the point as most of us are single > > users/administrators the power users are not using Kubuntu anyway > > Do you have any sources to claim that? > I work as a Linux sysadmin and I a vast majority of the sysadmins in my > service (that I would consider as power users) run Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu > on their desktop machine. OK possibly they are so the built in un-newbie friendly features are deliberate? You have given arcane additions to the sudo command but still no compelling reason why on a single administrator system sudo would be superior to su If you are running a multiple administrator system [which sounds like a recipe for disaster to me] then I can see the use of sudo as necessary > > As of the server machines, we mostly have Debian sarge machines currently, > and are in the process of switching them to sudo rights management, to > refine the rights we can give to sysadmins, developers, marketting teams, > etc. You let marketing people near the / directory? (shudders those people are mostly windows types .....according to the BOFH) ;-) > > > Regards, From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Fri Dec 8 08:49:47 2006 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:49:47 +0000 Subject: Upgrades Message-ID: <4579272B.7000003@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Using Kubuntu Edgy. Today I noticed that I had some upgrades waiting. When I looked there were 47 files to be upgraded! I ran it in Adept and luckily I clicked on Show Details because I had to accept a few things (I just chose OK each time) and it all ran just fine. Everything seems to work as usual. It occurred to me to wonder - has anyone had any problems when upgrading? Is it always safe to just go ahead and to it? Neil Winchurst From Herve at lucidia.net Fri Dec 8 10:26:27 2006 From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:26:27 -0200 Subject: Upgrades In-Reply-To: <4579272B.7000003@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <4579272B.7000003@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <4413284c0612080226t2a5e0861s928145bde9d65e72@mail.gmail.com> There was once a problem with an X upgrade, but I doubt that will happen again. Updating is generally safe, and keeps your system patched for security issues as they are discovered. Hervé. On 12/8/06, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Using Kubuntu Edgy. > > Today I noticed that I had some upgrades waiting. When I looked there > were 47 files to be upgraded! I ran it in Adept and luckily I clicked on > Show Details because I had to accept a few things (I just chose OK each > time) and it all ran just fine. Everything seems to work as usual. > > It occurred to me to wonder - has anyone had any problems when > upgrading? Is it always safe to just go ahead and to it? > > Neil Winchurst > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Dec 8 01:13:03 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:13:03 -0400 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 06/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Nathan Eckenrode wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 21:22, Robert Tilley wrote: >> >> When Konqueror displays a web page with multiple paragraphs of text, >> >> why do small yellow squares sometimes pop onto the screen with single >> >> letters? >> > If you press the Control key without any other key you will receive >> > these popups. If you then use the letter that is in the box, you will >> > be able to follow that link without using your mouse. >> >> >> >> This is a "feature" of Konqueror that means something. Can anyone >> >> help me to understand? >> > These are quite handy for people with disabilities, minimizing mouse >> > usage, or just plain old handy navigation. >> >> Is the time delay configurable? I'm html-savvy enough to have realized, >> the first time I did it, exactly what it was and it is a very good >> feature - I just don't need it :-) > > The time delay is configurable. Just decide how much time you want to > wait, THEN hit the CTRL key :) Argh!!! Very funny :-) The problem is that I keep holding the key down too long. A nice Windows () feature is that when that happens, it suspects you may have keyboard difficulties and pops up a message asking if you want the Accessibility options turned on. If you tell it not to bother you again, it won't, otherwise iirc it asks how long it should wait before doing this sort of thing. Even MS gets things right sometimes. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Dec 8 01:14:58 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:14:58 -0400 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> <880dece00612060335w5e243bbfuc6920d902dc1a5b1@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612061209x6aab49b4k8bb6015e94816c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 06/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> > On 05/12/06, Ian Rose wrote: >> >> Indeed, I would have thought so too - but for some reason Firefox in >> >> Edgy doesn't remember the maximised state if you use the maximise >> >> button, only if you manually drag it to this state does it remember it >> >> when you next open it - at least for me (and the original poster). A >> >> very bizarre bug that had me very frustrated until I discovered this >> >> workaround! >> >> >> > >> > It's not a bug- that's Firefox being the _size_ of a maximized window, >> > but it's still not maximized from the window manager's perspective. >> > Just try to maximize/ unmaximize it. See, it stays the same! The >> > reason that you think that Fx is open maximized is that it's openin in >> > the last unmaximized state it was in. If that happens to be the size >> > of a maximized window, then so be it. >> > >> It still seems like a bug. If it's smart enough to change the icon >> to "maximized", because it's the size of a maximized window, then it >> should >> _be_ maximized. That's the behaviour I've seen elsewhere. Other apps >> simply don't change the icon as you enlarge them - in which case, you >> don't assume that it _is_ maximized. > > Derek, I think you're right. I never noticed that the icon changes. In > that case, then I _do_ consider the window maximized. Since this discussion came up, I have yet to find another application where the icon changes when the borders are dragged to the edges, but it was no surprise to me when the OP mentioned it in Firefox, because I knew I _had_ seen it happen. I wish I could remember what else does this... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Dec 8 01:10:10 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:10:10 -0400 Subject: Where to get key A714EB87D1B1F415? References: <256f4e900612060730m2db641c9k7f1f9f8b27ed93a8@mail.gmail.com> <200612070719.46466.list.dhooge@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michel D'HOOGE wrote: > Maybe it's already available but I haven't found it so far - I use > aptitude. What I'd like is at least 3 levels that I could assign to the > repositories. It would be even better if I could have several disconnected > groups (one for Canonical, one for multimedia stuff, ...). Or maybe simply > to display the repository from which a package is downloaded. "apt-cache policy" tells you what repos in your sources contain a package, and which one yours came from. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Dec 8 01:18:23 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:18:23 -0400 Subject: k3b permissions error References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612061726.53880.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: Grumpy wrote: > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 17:08, Paul Kaplan wrote: >> I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a >> permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a >> burning group) didn't work. >> >> What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an >> installation error? (I never touched it until today.) >> >> Running kdesu k3b worked fine. >> > No this has been around for a while K3b setup will set all the permissions Not ime. If your burner is seen as scsi, I've always had to add a udev rule, but I can't get Scott to agree that it's correct so I can't get the fix into udev :-( If it's complaining about /dev/sg*, make sure that udev sets the owning group of that device to cdrom. -- derek From samp at arial-concept.com Fri Dec 8 14:31:30 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:31:30 +0100 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 Message-ID: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> Hi, I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't display the root file system but only some directory, my account have "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? How to show the full root directory on user account ? Thanks in advance. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From mail at lobraun.de Fri Dec 8 15:17:51 2006 From: mail at lobraun.de (Lothar Braun) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:17:51 +0100 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612081617.55893.mail@lobraun.de> Hi Sam, On Friday 08 December 2006 15:31, Sam Przyswa wrote: > I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't > display the root file system but only some directory, my account have > "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? > > How to show the full root directory on user account ? please have a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles Best regards, Lothar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 15:28:05 2006 From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 23:28:05 +0800 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612082328.05262.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> On Friday 08 December 2006 22:31, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Hi, > > I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't > display the root file system but only some directory, my account have > "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? > > How to show the full root directory on user account ? > The directories are simply hidden. You can follow the instructions on this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles From jjesse at iserv.net Fri Dec 8 15:29:45 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:29:45 -0500 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612081531.kB8FVDFv024719@mail2.iserv.net> In Edgy only /home /media are displayed everything else is hidden, this was recently discussed on how to change it on the list archives. Also this behavior will be changed back to what it was for feisty -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Sam Przyswa Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:32 AM To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 Hi, I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't display the root file system but only some directory, my account have "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? How to show the full root directory on user account ? Thanks in advance. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From brymelvin at melvinart.com Fri Dec 8 15:40:38 2006 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 07:40:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: <200612080720.25930.kandew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <81944.93668.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Liz Young wrote: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 22:40, Jeffrey Barish > wrote: > > Nice. It is working great for me too and Portland > isn't too far from > > me. Do you have a mirror for security.ubuntu.com > also? > > The same, http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu. edgy-security, > dapper-security. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Just a thought here: That site is a US govt sponsored server witha a heavy load. Kubuntu puts even a heavier load. Watching my firewall one day I found that the KDE cd ripper accessed it every time it was started. How many KDE apps have code in them to check for updates on their own? Is it feasible that KDE is helping cause the problem? does Argonne have a lmit to band with from different sections. I found that Argonne was being accessed constantly by my computer for updates several times an hour and put blocks in place, changed to another repo for updates. It seems some KDE apps hit the servers on their own based on the language/locale settings. Developers: is that the case? Bryann ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 15:56:38 2006 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:56:38 -0700 Subject: update available or not? In-Reply-To: <4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> <4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <256f4e900612080756x28f68c19q8810d7f26a6c1c63@mail.gmail.com> On 05/12/06, Tez wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: > > More update weirdness... (Why is it that update issues seem to consume > > so much reflector bandwidth? Or is it just me imagining it?) > > > > So... > > > > 0. Using dapper. > > 1. I am running amarok 1.4.3. > > 2. Adept Notifier tells me that there are three updates available [is > > there some way to discover from which apt source it thinks they are > > available??] > > 3. The three packages to be updated are all amarok related > > 4. For example, current amarok package is: 2.1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 > > and the candidate updtae package is: 2.1.4.4-0kubuntu2 > > 5. Open synaptic to perform the update > > 6. Execute "Mark all upgrades" > > 7.The status bar of synaptic says: 18509 packages listed, 1416 > > installed, 0 broken, 0 to install/upgrade. 0 to remove > > 8. If I select "amarok" and check its properties, synaptic says that > > it's installed and upgradeable. > > > > What's going on? Can anyone please explain in plain English? > > > > > Ff you run the command: > apt-cache policy [package] > (no need for sudo) it will tell you the current installed version, the > latest version available and what versions are available from which source. > [H:~] apt-cache policy amarok amarok: Installed: 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 Candidate: 2:1.4.4-0kubuntu2 Version table: 2:1.4.4-0kubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.czessi.net dapper/main Packages *** 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages > You can also try doing the update from the command line to see if there > are actually any updates: > sudo apt-get upgrade > [H:~] sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following packages have been kept back: amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine So on the one hand it seems to be telling me that updates are available, but when I try to install them, it refuses to do so (without telling me why). So I am afraid that I'm no closer to understanding what's going on than I was when the GUI tools behaved essentially the same way :-( (although I do at least know now where the packages are that are causing the trouble -- but I still don't know why apt won't install the packages. From claydoh at claydoh.com Fri Dec 8 16:01:47 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:01:47 -0500 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: <81944.93668.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <81944.93668.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200612081101.47068.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Friday 08 December 2006 10:40 am, Bry Melvin wrote: s > > Just a thought here: That site is a US govt sponsored > server witha a heavy load. Kubuntu puts even a heavier > load. Watching my firewall one day I found that the > KDE cd ripper accessed it every time it was started. > How many KDE apps have code in them to check for > updates on their own? > > Is it feasible that KDE is helping cause the problem? > does Argonne have a lmit to band with from different > sections. I found that Argonne was being accessed > constantly by my computer for updates several times an > hour and put blocks in place, changed to another repo > for updates. It seems some KDE apps hit the servers on > their own based on the language/locale settings. > > Developers: is that the case? > > Bryann > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ >_________ Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com The cd ripper isn't looking for updates, it is looking for cd track information via CDDB, and i think it checks for a connection when it starts up. This action can be turned off in its settings. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From brymelvin at melvinart.com Fri Dec 8 16:02:16 2006 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:02:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Upgrades In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612080226t2a5e0861s928145bde9d65e72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061208160216.74784.qmail@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Hervé Fache wrote: > There was once a problem with an X upgrade, but I > doubt that will happen again. > > Updating is generally safe, and keeps your system > patched for security > issues as they are discovered. > > Hervé. > > On 12/8/06, Neil Winchurst > wrote: > > Using Kubuntu Edgy. > > > > Today I noticed that I had some upgrades waiting. > When I looked there > > were 47 files to be upgraded! I ran it in Adept > and luckily I clicked on > > Show Details because I had to accept a few things > (I just chose OK each > > time) and it all ran just fine. Everything seems > to work as usual. > > > > It occurred to me to wonder - has anyone had any > problems when > > upgrading? Is it always safe to just go ahead and > to it? > > > > Neil Winchurst > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Except for ONCE which was widely publicized the Ubuntu updates have been pretty safe. My experience for Kubuntu specific updates has not been the case. In fact on Kubuntu we have found something broken on our test machines EVERY time we have updated. We have reverted to using KDE apps and a default Gnome desktop due to this on all production machines. Actually though that creates conflicts that cuases KDE to be marginally useful. One other thing we found is that mixing command line utilities and Kcontrol is bad. It creates a mess. We had to manually go back in and re set up Samba by editing the config files. Once that is done NEVER use Kcontrol again to change SAMBA. HPILP is an other problem area. the Ubuntu repositories versions have a lot of missing parts.(allin in one scanning functions hp device manager and correct interaction with cups) We have had to compile the full version and Never let them updatefrom the repositories.ALSO NEVER use system settings or Kcontrol to change printer settings once this is fixed. We had a network printer server go down because of this. Bottom line is particulaly with KDE never trust an update on a prduction machine until you test it on a noncritical machine. Reliablity is an Area Kubuntu is weak in for 6.06. If Kubuntu is to keep pace sith UbuntuLTS versions for business use someone needs to do a LOT more certification tye testing. We have found it useful to remove Kubuntu desktop Ubuntu desktop meta packages and evaluate each update individually. It seems to keep "just works" from changing to "what the H happened" Bryann ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Dec 8 15:37:08 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:37:08 -0800 Subject: Root login References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612071731.04648.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612080813.26996.raphink@ubuntu.com> <200612080759.32465.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <87y7pipfff.fsf@fjellstad.org> Grumpy_Penguin writes: > You have given arcane additions to the sudo command but still no > compelling reason why on a single administrator system sudo would be > superior to su sudo lets me run multiple commands with root privileges without having to give me root password before each command or staying as root the whole time. Say I'm editing the samba config file. sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart sudo will remember that I have given my password (within certain timelimits). do this as su su -c 'vi /etc/samba/smb.conf' su -c '/etc/init.d/samba restart' Of course, I could do the unsafe part, and just stay as root until I'm certain I'm finished. But then again, I could do that with sudo too. So sudo offer an additional convenience for me. But then again, when I did use su (before sudo came on the scene), I always used the 'su -c ...' -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From brymelvin at melvinart.com Fri Dec 8 16:15:08 2006 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:15:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: <200612081101.47068.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <966929.19744.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- claydoh wrote: > On Friday 08 December 2006 10:40 am, Bry Melvin > wrote: > s > > > > Just a thought here: That site is a US govt > sponsored > > server witha a heavy load. Kubuntu puts even a > heavier > > load. Watching my firewall one day I found that > the > > KDE cd ripper accessed it every time it was > started. > > How many KDE apps have code in them to check for > > updates on their own? > > > > Is it feasible that KDE is helping cause the > problem? > > does Argonne have a lmit to band with from > different > > sections. I found that Argonne was being accessed > > constantly by my computer for updates several > times an > > hour and put blocks in place, changed to another > repo > > for updates. It seems some KDE apps hit the > servers on > > their own based on the language/locale settings. > > > > Developers: is that the case? > > > > Bryann > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > >_________ Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > beta. > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > The cd ripper isn't looking for updates, it is > looking for cd track > information via CDDB, and i think it checks for a > connection when it starts > up. This action can be turned off in its settings. > -- > Clay Weber > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://claydoh.com > http://emacdogsports.com > I don't believe Argonne hosts CDDB Also it still did that with cddb turned off and manually hitting CDDB showed a different address in the firewall. and after blocking Argonne in the firewall CDDB still worked. Although this could all be explained by reidrects, It didn;t look that way. This was in Breezy it may have been changed later. I dont know. After several Glitches with Gnomebaker AND K3b and the questionable use of Codecs We changed to Commercial CD software so now we don't have a potential codec licensing problem. That problem would now be Nero's. Bryann ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From samp at arial-concept.com Fri Dec 8 16:16:03 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:16:03 +0100 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612082328.05262.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> <200612082328.05262.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45798FC3.7010107@arial-concept.com> Juan Carlos Torres a écrit : > On Friday 08 December 2006 22:31, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't >> display the root file system but only some directory, my account have >> "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? >> >> How to show the full root directory on user account ? >> >> > > The directories are simply hidden. You can follow the instructions on this > page: > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles > Ok thanks, but it would be nice to put a feature to manage that other than manually edit the /.hidden file Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 17:07:23 2006 From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:07:23 +0800 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <45798FC3.7010107@arial-concept.com> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> <200612082328.05262.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> <45798FC3.7010107@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612090107.23793.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> On Saturday 09 December 2006 00:16, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Ok thanks, but it would be nice to put a feature to manage that other > than manually edit the /.hidden file This "feature" is gone in Feisty (the next release, currently in development). So it's quite pointless to make such a feature. I think they will be implementing something else, though. Not really sure. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Dec 8 17:08:59 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:08:59 -0700 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612081617.55893.mail@lobraun.de> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> <200612081617.55893.mail@lobraun.de> Message-ID: <200612081008.59433.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 08 December 2006 08:17, Lothar Braun wrote: > Hi Sam, > > On Friday 08 December 2006 15:31, Sam Przyswa wrote: > > I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't > > display the root file system but only some directory, my account have > > "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? > > > > How to show the full root directory on user account ? > > please have a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles > > Best regards, > Lothar Something is wrong none of the remedies given there work -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Dec 8 17:21:16 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:21:16 -0700 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612090107.23793.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> <45798FC3.7010107@arial-concept.com> <200612090107.23793.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612081021.17011.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 08 December 2006 10:07, Juan Carlos Torres wrote: > On Saturday 09 December 2006 00:16, Sam Przyswa wrote: > > Ok thanks, but it would be nice to put a feature to manage that other > > than manually edit the /.hidden file > > This "feature" is gone in Feisty (the next release, currently in > development). So it's quite pointless to make such a feature. I think they > will be implementing something else, though. Not really sure. I hope so it (the "feature") is almost a deal breaker for me. I ain't geeky enough for some ...but don't insult my intelligence by crippling my system to protect me from my self. If this is part of the Kubuntu philosophy I'm afraid that it is doomed [hell you might as well be using Lindows] -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From kandew at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 17:37:00 2006 From: kandew at gmail.com (Liz Young) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:37:00 -0800 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: <81944.93668.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <81944.93668.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200612080937.00304.kandew@gmail.com> On Friday 08 December 2006 07:40, Bry Melvin wrote: > Just a thought here: That site is a US govt sponsored > server witha a heavy load. Kubuntu puts even a heavier > load. Watching my firewall one day I found that the > KDE   cd ripper accessed it every time it was started. > How many KDE apps have code in them to check for > updates on their own? .edu 's are public institutions in the US so you could say they are govt sponsored. Did you look at http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu ? They host a lot of free software projects. I don't think heavy load is an issue -- it's a fast mirror. If they didn't want *ubuntu traffic, they wouldn't host it. Not sure what "KDE cd ripper" you're referring to, but I'll guess it was looking for track titles. Can't comment more without seeing a capture of the network traffic. Adept_updater runs on every start unless you disable it. > Is it feasible that KDE is helping cause the problem? > does Argonne have a lmit to band with from different > sections.  I found that Argonne was being accessed > constantly by my computer for updates several times an > hour and put blocks in place, changed to another repo > for updates. It seems some KDE apps hit the servers on > their own based on the language/locale settings. ? I don't know what Argonne is and what your computer was updating so often without more info. Post a new thread with some traffic details if you think it's a problem. -Liz From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Dec 8 19:04:33 2006 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:04:33 +0000 Subject: update available or not? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612080756x28f68c19q8810d7f26a6c1c63@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com> <4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk> <256f4e900612080756x28f68c19q8810d7f26a6c1c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4579B741.2040904@blueyonder.co.uk> D. R. Evans wrote: > > > So on the one hand it seems to be telling me that updates are > available, but when I try to install them, it refuses to do so > (without telling me why). > > So I am afraid that I'm no closer to understanding what's going on > than I was when the GUI tools behaved essentially the same way :-( > (although I do at least know now where the packages are that are > causing the trouble -- but I still don't know why apt won't install > the packages. > > Ahh, it's an "unofficial" repository, you have to expect some trouble with them. apt is holding the packages back because they require some other action, like installing/removing other packages Try doing a distribution upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and look at what packages are going to be installed/removed. If some packages are still being held back, then try "sudo apt-get install [package name]" to force apt tell you why it's not going to be installed. Maybe the updated package has a dependency that apt can't find, foe example. Tez From samp at arial-concept.com Fri Dec 8 20:05:28 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:05:28 +0100 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612090107.23793.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> References: <45797742.1070508@arial-concept.com> <200612082328.05262.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> <45798FC3.7010107@arial-concept.com> <200612090107.23793.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4579C588.6000204@arial-concept.com> Juan Carlos Torres a écrit : > On Saturday 09 December 2006 00:16, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Ok thanks, but it would be nice to put a feature to manage that other >> than manually edit the /.hidden file >> > > This "feature" is gone in Feisty (the next release, currently in development). > So it's quite pointless to make such a feature. I think they will be > implementing something else, though. Not really sure. > It's nice because I spend à lot of time, change lot of permissions on the directories, change my main group to "root" and some others things. Thanks again to all for your help. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Dec 8 20:30:30 2006 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:30:30 -0500 Subject: sudo free-for-all In-Reply-To: <87slfrf3d8.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <87slfrf3d8.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200612081530.30838.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:55 pm, John L Fjellstad wrote: > It's a Debian thing. No secrets unless the user specifically ask for it > (for instance, setting the ~/.ssh directory to 700). I think the Debian installer asks you a question about this now, but this behavior is the default. I don't like it either, but it's a very small point in the scheme of things. As for the other issue, the one with sudo, I have to wonder if this guy is confusing the fact that everyone can *run* sudo, but it only actually works if the user is authorized. If they aren't in the admin group with his sudoers file as posted, then sudo should just fail. Like this: $ sudo ls We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: #1) Respect the privacy of others. #2) Think before you type. #3) With great power comes great responsibility. Password: Sorry, try again. Password: Sorry, try again. Password: Sorry, try again. sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts I'm typing his password correctly. It always fails, because this user isn't in the admin group, and so he can never actually run anything as root. I'll be really surprised to learn that isn't what the original poster is experiencing. -- D. Michael McIntyre Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/ From vayu at sklinks.com Fri Dec 8 20:44:02 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:44:02 -0800 Subject: kmix always starts as an open application Message-ID: <4579CE92.2080200@sklinks.com> Kmix always opens when KDE starts. It opens as a window on the desktop. I want it to only open in the taskbar as a volume control. It will open as a volume control in the taskbar when I go to settings and check "dock into panel", but it also starts as an open window. If I don't check "dock into panel", it still opens as a window on the desktop just with no volume on the panel. There is no entry for it in Autostart. Any ideas on how it's getting started? I've tried closing it then saving the session with "restore manually saved session" as my session behavior, it still opens as a window next time I start KDE. From vayu at sklinks.com Fri Dec 8 20:53:11 2006 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:53:11 -0800 Subject: Upgrades In-Reply-To: <4579272B.7000003@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <4579272B.7000003@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <4579D0B7.7080903@sklinks.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Using Kubuntu Edgy. > > Today I noticed that I had some upgrades waiting. When I looked there > were 47 files to be upgraded! I ran it in Adept and luckily I clicked on > Show Details because I had to accept a few things (I just chose OK each > time) and it all ran just fine. Everything seems to work as usual. > > It occurred to me to wonder - has anyone had any problems when > upgrading? Is it always safe to just go ahead and to it? > > Neil Winchurst > > I've had mostly success in updates, however on at least three times over the past year and a half, I've had things break after an update. I generally look at what is being updated and decide if the items would be critical for me if broken. If that's the case I don't update until I know I have a couple of days or so that I could live with that item broken. dist-upgrades to a new version can be entirely traumatic. :) From lists at ptfd.org Fri Dec 8 21:08:18 2006 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:08:18 -0500 Subject: communication issue? Message-ID: <200612081608.18984.lists@ptfd.org> I have some sort of port/communication issue. I have installed vmware-player, w/xp-pro, on my kubuntu edgy laptop. I also have wine, as well. To set the stage, I have an app from oracle, for th euniversity I work for, OCAL client, to access a collaboration calendar server, it works fine under vmware in xp. The Linux version installs natively, but says it cannot reach the server, the setup is identical. The windows client installed with wine also cannot reach teh server? ie in wine works fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Anyone out there running teh Ocal client natively on linux? We want to convert most of teh desktop machines in teh office to kubuntu but this is a stumbling block... Mike From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 22:28:26 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 00:28:26 +0200 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00612081428n4cb6d364q52aa9c9784bce63c@mail.gmail.com> On 08/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Argh!!! Very funny :-) The problem is that I keep holding the key down too > long. A nice Windows () feature is that when that happens, it > suspects you may have keyboard difficulties and pops up a message asking if > you want the Accessibility options turned on. If you tell it not to bother > you again, it won't, otherwise iirc it asks how long it should wait before > doing this sort of thing. Even MS gets things right sometimes. The behaviour that you are referring to is for activating Sticky Keys, a feature that KDE has as well (I use it). The CTRL-Get-Numbers-for-Links feature MS's IE does not have. The only other browser that has it built in is Opera, and it is available as an extension to Firefox (I use it). Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/html.html http://nirot.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 22:30:38 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 00:30:38 +0200 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen In-Reply-To: References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> <880dece00612060335w5e243bbfuc6920d902dc1a5b1@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612061209x6aab49b4k8bb6015e94816c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00612081430k2c81242x40cb43be41835fed@mail.gmail.com> On 08/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Since this discussion came up, I have yet to find another application where > the icon changes when the borders are dragged to the edges, but it was no > surprise to me when the OP mentioned it in Firefox, because I knew I _had_ > seen it happen. I wish I could remember what else does this... Worked for me in Kate. Didn't try anything else. It might depend on what KDE style you are using. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/virus.html http://hohah.com From jlwallen at monkeypantz.net Fri Dec 8 22:37:05 2006 From: jlwallen at monkeypantz.net (jack wallen) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:37:05 -0500 Subject: unreliable syncing with treo 680 and anything Message-ID: <1165617425.25823.2.camel@maryjanecapri> using Ubuntu Dapper and trying to sync my new 680 with pretty much anything. i've managed to sync it a few times via usb but it's random and i can't seem to re-create the steps when it works (primarily because it seems to randomly work). i've tried: evolution kpilot jpilot and the only one i've manage to get to work is evolution. does anyone have any suggestions on making this work a bit more frequently? this is getting rather frustrating. thank you. -- jack wallen, jr /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign spreading the word of \ / Respect for open standards gender equality and the FSF X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.monkeypantz.net / \ No M$ Word docs in email From garryknight at gmx.net Sat Dec 9 00:52:05 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 00:52:05 +0000 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612081428n4cb6d364q52aa9c9784bce63c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > The behaviour that you are referring to is for activating Sticky Keys, ... > it is available as an extension to Firefox To save me hunting through hundreds of available extensions, could you please tell me the name of this extension? -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Dec 9 00:25:52 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:25:52 -0800 Subject: sudo free-for-all References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <87slfrf3d8.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200612081530.30838.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <87d56tncdr.fsf@fjellstad.org> "D. Michael McIntyre" writes: > On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:55 pm, John L Fjellstad wrote: > >> It's a Debian thing. No secrets unless the user specifically ask for it >> (for instance, setting the ~/.ssh directory to 700). > > I think the Debian installer asks you a question about this now, but > this behavior is the default. I don't like it either, but it's a very > small point Possibly. I don't think I've installed a Debian system since Woody. Once installed, you usually upgrade a Debian system, so it's not like you meet the installer more than once :-) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 8 23:26:59 2006 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:26:59 -0500 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: <200612080937.00304.kandew@gmail.com> References: <81944.93668.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200612080937.00304.kandew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612081826.59610.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> .edu's are not necessarily gov't funded. Quite a few schools get license to offer degrees from their respective state dept of educations, stand up their website as a .edu and do not get one ounce of funding. On Friday 08 December 2006 12:37, Liz Young wrote: > On Friday 08 December 2006 07:40, Bry Melvin wrote: > > Just a thought here: That site is a US govt sponsored > > server witha a heavy load. Kubuntu puts even a heavier > > load. Watching my firewall one day I found that the > > KDE   cd ripper accessed it every time it was started. > > How many KDE apps have code in them to check for > > updates on their own? > > .edu 's are public institutions in the US so you could say they are govt > sponsored. Did you look at http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu ? They host a > lot of free software projects. I don't think heavy load is an issue -- > it's a fast mirror. If they didn't want *ubuntu traffic, they wouldn't > host it. > > Not sure what "KDE cd ripper" you're referring to, but I'll guess it was > looking for track titles. Can't comment more without seeing a capture > of the network traffic. > Adept_updater runs on every start unless you disable it. > > > Is it feasible that KDE is helping cause the problem? > > does Argonne have a lmit to band with from different > > sections.  I found that Argonne was being accessed > > constantly by my computer for updates several times an > > hour and put blocks in place, changed to another repo > > for updates. It seems some KDE apps hit the servers on > > their own based on the language/locale settings. > > ? I don't know what Argonne is and what your computer was updating so > often without more info. Post a new thread with some traffic details > if you think it's a problem. > > -Liz From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Dec 9 02:23:45 2006 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:23:45 -0500 Subject: sudo free-for-all In-Reply-To: <87d56tncdr.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <200612081530.30838.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <87d56tncdr.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200612082123.45883.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 08 December 2006 7:25 pm, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Possibly. I don't think I've installed a Debian system since Woody. > Once installed, you usually upgrade a Debian system, so it's not like > you meet the installer more than once :-) True, but I install on lots of people's computers in my quest to get everyone in my corner of the world to stop asking me to fix Windows, so I've seen the Debian Installer evolving bit by bit over the years. When Kubuntu rolled onto the scene, I started feeding that to people instead. Now I'm the last to switch, running it here at home myself. I really like Kubuntu. -- D. Michael McIntyre Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/ From brymelvin at melvinart.com Sat Dec 9 02:36:23 2006 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:36:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down In-Reply-To: <200612080937.00304.kandew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521074.26680.qm@web33512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Liz Young wrote: > On Friday 08 December 2006 07:40, Bry Melvin wrote: > > Just a thought here: That site is a US govt > sponsored >SNIP > ? I don't know what Argonne is and what your > computer was updating so > often without more info. Post a new thread with > some traffic details > if you think it's a problem. > > -Liz > > -- m FWIW the facility that us.archive connects to does not belong to a University. It belongs to Argonne National Labratory. this facility belongs to the US. A University is paid to run it and the various research projects, After all that is how Doctoral students get their research. Look at the IP address you are accessing in the firewall connections. Do a who is us.archive.ubuntu.com invariably connects to Argonne National Labaratory,, at least here. The fact that it's at a National Libarary shouldn't surprise anyone. Lawerence Livermore contributed programs in the early Linux years. (Remeber Xdir) The Internet Core was derived from Arpanet/Milnet servers A system connecting these Labratories and Universities with the DOD. I checked: cddb was not the culprit. Back in my Breezy computer for some Obscure reason KAudiocdcreator was attaching and connecting to the ubuntu archive. It was connecting for several minutes at full dialup bandwith. I never got an answer from anyone why so I dlocked that IP address and changed the repository I never got a good answer anywhere as to why, although I did ask. The only response I got WAS from Argonne, and they verified that My network HAD accessed the archive at that time. Sorry for the interest in that but as a retired military person I am curious when Civilian computers start accessing National Labratories. And no it wasn't cddb: it wasn't the updater. The effect was repeatable and predictable. When KAudiocdcreator was started the computer would immediately contact the same IP. When cddb was connected it went to a different IP address. My point was this KDE app for some reason contacted the archive every start, and if OTHER KDE apps do the same there would probably be unneccesary traffic. Bryann Melvin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Dec 9 07:32:10 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:32:10 -0800 Subject: sudo free-for-all References: <4578A0D2.2040704@optonline.net> <200612081530.30838.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <87d56tncdr.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200612082123.45883.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <87u005h6dh.fsf@fjellstad.org> "D. Michael McIntyre" writes: > On Friday 08 December 2006 7:25 pm, John L Fjellstad wrote: > >> Possibly. I don't think I've installed a Debian system since Woody. >> Once installed, you usually upgrade a Debian system, so it's not like >> you meet the installer more than once :-) > > True, but I install on lots of people's computers in my quest to get > everyone in my corner of the world to stop asking me to fix Windows, > so I've seen the Debian Installer evolving bit by bit over the years. > > When Kubuntu rolled onto the scene, I started feeding that to people > instead. > Now I'm the last to switch, running it here at home myself. > > I really like Kubuntu. That's basically my story too. I started to install convert people I had converted to Debian to Kubuntu. I still keep my servers on Debian, even though I run Kubuntu on the desktop -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 09:17:01 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:17:01 +0200 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612081428n4cb6d364q52aa9c9784bce63c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00612090117v680ab340od627662866495c51@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/06, Garry Knight wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > The behaviour that you are referring to is for activating Sticky Keys, > ... > > it is available as an extension to Firefox > > To save me hunting through hundreds of available extensions, could you > please tell me the name of this extension? Sure, it's: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/879/ Note that's for the keyboard-navigation, not for sticky keys. Sticky keys is built into KDE: Kcontrol -> Local and Accessability Options -> Accessability (translated from Hebrew) Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/414/puff_daddy.php http://what-is-what.com/what_is/open_office.html From garryknight at gmx.net Sat Dec 9 10:09:09 2006 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 10:09:09 +0000 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612081428n4cb6d364q52aa9c9784bce63c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612090117v680ab340od627662866495c51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/879/ Thanks. -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 11:59:18 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 13:59:18 +0200 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> On 07/12/06, Paul Kaplan wrote: > I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a > permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a > burning group) didn't work. > > What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an installation > error? (I never touched it until today.) > > Running kdesu k3b worked fine. > > Paul Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems, and the discs are readable by regular users (they don't support unix file permissions). Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/short_answer/why_are_internet_greeting_cards_dangerous.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/skype.html From henrigira at numericable.fr Sat Dec 9 12:40:38 2006 From: henrigira at numericable.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 13:40:38 +0100 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457AAEC6.60503@numericable.fr> On kubuntu you choose advanced setting in k3b and it 's setting you the roots rights ... i think it's a proper way :) regards Henri Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 07/12/06, Paul Kaplan wrote: > >> I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a >> permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a >> burning group) didn't work. >> >> What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an installation >> error? (I never touched it until today.) >> >> Running kdesu k3b worked fine. >> >> Paul >> > > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as > root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems, > and the discs are readable by regular users (they don't support unix > file permissions). > > Dotan Cohen > > http://technology-sleuth.com/short_answer/why_are_internet_greeting_cards_dangerous.html > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/skype.html > > From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Dec 9 14:17:29 2006 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:17:29 -0500 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 09 December 2006 6:59 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as > root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems I'm not going to flame you. I have to do this too, and I don't understand why. K3B scans for permissions at startup, and does not detect any problems. If I run the setup utility manually, it finds nothing to complain about. Yet whenever I try to burn something, I get a message similar to "I/O Error! See log for details." The log is always empty of any clue at all. It just fails for no apparent reason, and I have no clue what to do about it. It's got to be permissions on something that k3bsetup doesn't check for, but what? I've tried to strace it to no avail, tried various other ideas. At the end, I just run it as root and sigh. -- D. Michael McIntyre Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/ From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 15:44:41 2006 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:44:41 +0700 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612071315.44296.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612070847.37151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8ce271500612070603q20c3317dmd898d901d557b5a3@mail.gmail.com> <200612071315.44296.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340612090744odc6340di49d8a605415d1873@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 12/8/06, Art Alexion wrote: > > > So if you get a root console, with all of its insecurities, why is doing > it > that way better than just su? Because su is not provided by default and you would only go there when you needed to use it such as when you used mondo. There is no reason to change the design just because you don't like it. Just get another distro if it worries you. Bob -- On any list, if X is the bandwidth wasted on off-topic posts, NX is the bandwidth wasted on discussing the evils of off-topic posts where 5 <= N <= 10. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Dec 9 15:52:04 2006 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:52:04 -0500 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> <200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Saturday 09 December 2006 9:17 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 09 December 2006 6:59 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as > > root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems > > I'm not going to flame you. I have to do this too, and I don't understand > why. K3B scans for permissions at startup, and does not detect any > problems. If I run the setup utility manually, it finds nothing to complain > about. Yet whenever I try to burn something, I get a message similar to > "I/O Error! See log for details." The log is always empty of any clue at > all. It just fails for no apparent reason, and I have no clue what to do > about it. > > It's got to be permissions on something that k3bsetup doesn't check for, > but what? I've tried to strace it to no avail, tried various other ideas. > At the end, I just run it as root and sigh. > Yeah. I've tried setting the suid bit on /usr/bin/cdrecord, /usr/bin/cdrdao, and /usr/bin/cdparanoia. Obviiously something else is needed. Clearly a bug or oversight in k3bsetup, unless it's a feature...but for what purpose? Paul From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Dec 10 16:07:32 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:07:32 -0700 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200612100907.33043.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Saturday 09 December 2006 08:52, Paul Kaplan wrote: > On Saturday 09 December 2006 9:17 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Saturday 09 December 2006 6:59 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as > > > root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems > > > > I'm not going to flame you. I have to do this too, and I don't > > understand why. K3B scans for permissions at startup, and does not > > detect any problems. If I run the setup utility manually, it finds > > nothing to complain about. Yet whenever I try to burn something, I get a > > message similar to "I/O Error! See log for details." The log is always > > empty of any clue at all. It just fails for no apparent reason, and I > > have no clue what to do about it. > > > > It's got to be permissions on something that k3bsetup doesn't check for, > > but what? I've tried to strace it to no avail, tried various other > > ideas. At the end, I just run it as root and sigh. > > Yeah. I've tried setting the suid bit on /usr/bin/cdrecord, > /usr/bin/cdrdao, and /usr/bin/cdparanoia. Obviiously something else is > needed. > Clearly a bug or oversight in k3bsetup, unless it's a feature...but for > what purpose? > Paul I have had this error message before make sure that the cdrom is *NOT* mounted as that is usually the cause [damn automount] From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Sat Dec 9 16:45:59 2006 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 09:45:59 -0700 Subject: us.archive.ubuntu.com down References: <200612061529.30439.kandew@gmail.com> Message-ID: Liz Young wrote: > I noticed that the us.archive was really unreliable for some time, so I > switched to the main archive until I found another mirror. > > I now use http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu (Portland State Uni, west coast > USA) for Dapper and Edgy. It's stable, up to date, and really fast. > > HTH, > -Liz The mirrors at pdx worked great for me the first time I tried them (on Thursday) and never again. Here's a small sample of the output from apt-get update: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz Cannot initiate the connection to mirrors.cat.pdx.edu:80 (2001:468:1f04:200:2e0:81ff:fe2b:f564). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:468:1f04:200:2e0:81ff:fe2b:f564 80] I also still cannot connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com after a week of trying: Errhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release.gpg Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out Fetched 137kB in 4m0s (570B/s) Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release.gpg Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out Is there any chance that there is something in my system that is preventing the connection to either repository? I have no problem pinging either one. -- Jeffrey Barish From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Dec 9 17:00:14 2006 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:00:14 -0500 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612100907.33043.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612100907.33043.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200612091200.14307.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:07 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > On Saturday 09 December 2006 08:52, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > On Saturday 09 December 2006 9:17 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > On Saturday 09 December 2006 6:59 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b > > > > as root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions > > > > problems > > > > > > I'm not going to flame you. I have to do this too, and I don't > > > understand why. K3B scans for permissions at startup, and does not > > > detect any problems. If I run the setup utility manually, it finds > > > nothing to complain about. Yet whenever I try to burn something, I get > > > a message similar to "I/O Error! See log for details." The log is > > > always empty of any clue at all. It just fails for no apparent reason, > > > and I have no clue what to do about it. > > > > > > It's got to be permissions on something that k3bsetup doesn't check > > > for, but what? I've tried to strace it to no avail, tried various > > > other ideas. At the end, I just run it as root and sigh. > > > > Yeah. I've tried setting the suid bit on /usr/bin/cdrecord, > > /usr/bin/cdrdao, and /usr/bin/cdparanoia. Obviiously something else is > > needed. > > Clearly a bug or oversight in k3bsetup, unless it's a feature...but for > > what purpose? > > Paul > > I have had this error message before make sure that the cdrom is *NOT* > mounted as that is usually the cause [damn automount] Interesting. Then I should just be able to umount /mnt/cdrom and solve the problem. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Dec 10 17:10:56 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:10:56 -0700 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612091200.14307.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612100907.33043.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612091200.14307.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200612101010.56884.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Saturday 09 December 2006 10:00, Paul Kaplan wrote: > On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:07 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > > On Saturday 09 December 2006 08:52, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > > On Saturday 09 December 2006 9:17 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > > On Saturday 09 December 2006 6:59 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > > > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b > > > > > as root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > I'm not going to flame you. I have to do this too, and I don't > > > > understand why. K3B scans for permissions at startup, and does not > > > > detect any problems. If I run the setup utility manually, it finds > > > > nothing to complain about. Yet whenever I try to burn something, I > > > > get a message similar to "I/O Error! See log for details." The log > > > > is always empty of any clue at all. It just fails for no apparent > > > > reason, and I have no clue what to do about it. > > > > > > > > It's got to be permissions on something that k3bsetup doesn't check > > > > for, but what? I've tried to strace it to no avail, tried various > > > > other ideas. At the end, I just run it as root and sigh. > > > > > > Yeah. I've tried setting the suid bit on /usr/bin/cdrecord, > > > /usr/bin/cdrdao, and /usr/bin/cdparanoia. Obviiously something else is > > > needed. > > > Clearly a bug or oversight in k3bsetup, unless it's a feature...but for > > > what purpose? > > > Paul > > > > I have had this error message before make sure that the cdrom is *NOT* > > mounted as that is usually the cause [damn automount] > > Interesting. Then I should just be able to umount /mnt/cdrom and solve the > problem. There was a thing about it on the K3b list BTW if you feel adventurous K3B v !.0 is out as source code [bleeding edge stuff] From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 18:17:24 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:17:24 +0200 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612101010.56884.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612100907.33043.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200612091200.14307.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200612101010.56884.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <880dece00612091017q1f4d835va94cf7db40f5612d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > There was a thing about it on the K3b list BTW if you feel adventurous K3B > v !.0 is out as source code [bleeding edge stuff] > If you're using it for backups, them don't go with the bleeding edge. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/html.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/513/wilson_phillips.php From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Dec 9 20:01:02 2006 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:01:02 +0200 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457B15FE.2020402@rmk.co.il> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 07/12/06, Paul Kaplan wrote: >> I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a >> permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a >> burning group) didn't work. >> >> What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an installation >> error? (I never touched it until today.) >> >> Running kdesu k3b worked fine. >> >> Paul > > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as > root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems, > and the discs are readable by regular users (they don't support unix > file permissions). You have to be careful there - I just recently did a backup of my girls box and forgot to set the "Backup - preserve file permissions' and when I went to restore everything (it was a clean install of Edgy) things wouldn't run properly (KDE wouldn't start) because all the files, including the important dot files, were 'read only'! I had to manually fix all the permissions to what they should have been :-( > > Dotan Cohen > > http://technology-sleuth.com/short_answer/why_are_internet_greeting_cards_dangerous.html > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/skype.html > Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ Messianic E-Cards.com http://www.messianicecards.com/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Dec 9 20:13:17 2006 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:13:17 +0200 Subject: unreliable syncing with treo 680 and anything In-Reply-To: <1165617425.25823.2.camel@maryjanecapri> References: <1165617425.25823.2.camel@maryjanecapri> Message-ID: <457B18DD.5020501@rmk.co.il> jack wallen wrote: > using Ubuntu Dapper and trying to sync my new 680 with pretty much > anything. i've managed to sync it a few times via usb but it's random > and i can't seem to re-create the steps when it works (primarily because > it seems to randomly work). > > i've tried: > > evolution > kpilot > jpilot > > and the only one i've manage to get to work is evolution. > > does anyone have any suggestions on making this work a bit more > frequently? this is getting rather frustrating. > > thank you. > Strange you should mention that. I have just bought a Palm Z22 and am having the same problems. Using Kpilot it will sometime sync and most times not. I have had the most success by quitting Kpilot, and the daemon, if it's still running (sometimes it is sometimes it isn't) and restarting Kpilot when I next want to sync. However, sometimes the Kpilot daemon doesn't kick in (Kpilot gives an error message stating so) and I the have to start it from the cmd line - it is actually 'kpilotDaemon'). I'm sure that it is a bug with Kpilot as if I use Evolution (and have gpilotd running) then the Palm syncs every time. If you find a fix let us know. Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ Messianic E-Cards.com http://www.messianicecards.com/ From meldroc at frii.com Sat Dec 9 20:44:31 2006 From: meldroc at frii.com (Doug Holland) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 13:44:31 -0700 Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612081531.kB8FVDFv024719@mail2.iserv.net> References: <200612081531.kB8FVDFv024719@mail2.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200612091344.39294.meldroc@frii.com> I'm glad to hear that this "feature" is being changed back. I want to see my entire file system in Konqueror - if I wanted details of my system hidden from me, I'd be running Windows. (and one of the first things I do to Windows systems when I get them is turn off its extension hiding, file hiding and other features Microsoft puts in to protect me from myself. Bleah!) On Friday 08 December 2006 08:29, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > In Edgy only /home /media are displayed everything else is hidden, this was > recently discussed on how to change it on the list archives. Also this > behavior will be changed back to what it was for feisty > > -----Original Message----- > From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Sam Przyswa > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:32 AM > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 > > Hi, > > I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't > display the root file system but only some directory, my account have > "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? > > How to show the full root directory on user account ? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sam. > > > -- > Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner > pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de > suspect n'a été trouvé. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(and one of the first things I do > to Windows systems when I get them is turn off its extension hiding, file > hiding and other features Microsoft puts in to protect me from myself. > Bleah!) > > On Friday 08 December 2006 08:29, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > In Edgy only /home /media are displayed everything else is hidden, this > > was recently discussed on how to change it on the list archives. Also > > this behavior will be changed back to what it was for feisty > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > > [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Sam Przyswa > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:32 AM > > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Subject: Konqueror problem with Kubuntu 6.10 > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm just upgraded to Kubuntu 6.10 buy now on my account Konqueror don't > > display the root file system but only some directory, my account have > > "root" as main group and the directories are group readable !? > > > > How to show the full root directory on user account ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Sam. > > > > > > -- > > Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner > > pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de > > suspect n'a été trouvé. > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 22:27:17 2006 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:27:17 -0600 Subject: Firefox Lockups Message-ID: <200612091627.18108.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Has anyone else had problems with Firefox (2.0) just locking up? I can be browsing along on any website, with any kind of content, and at completely random times Firefox will just freeze up. There's no reason or rhyme, and no consistency about what kind of content, how many tabs, or anything else. Are there any known issues with the following extensions: Bibleserver Toolbar 2.0.0.0 checky 2.5 (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) ContextMenu Extensions 4.0.2006011301 (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) DownThemAll 0.9.9.7 Forecastfox 0.9.3.1 Google Toolbar for Firefox 2.1.20060807L ImageZoom 0.2.5 (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) Also it happens running the Default Firefox Theme, as well as the Doodle Classic 2.0.0.3 theme. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 22:53:10 2006 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:53:10 -0600 Subject: Firefox Lockups In-Reply-To: <200612091627.18108.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200612091627.18108.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612091653.10380.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 09 December 2006 4:27 pm, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > Has anyone else had problems with Firefox (2.0) just locking up? I can be > browsing along on any website, with any kind of content, and at completely > random times Firefox will just freeze up. > There's no reason or rhyme, and no consistency about what kind of content, > how many tabs, or anything else. Are there any known issues with the > following extensions: > Bibleserver Toolbar 2.0.0.0 > checky 2.5 (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) > ContextMenu Extensions 4.0.2006011301 (says its not compatible, but I have > no way to uninstall) > DownThemAll 0.9.9.7 > Forecastfox 0.9.3.1 > Google Toolbar for Firefox 2.1.20060807L > ImageZoom 0.2.5 (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) > Also it happens running the Default Firefox Theme, as well as the Doodle > Classic 2.0.0.3 theme. I finally found the Checky, ContextMenu, and ImageZoom packages in Synaptic, and removed them. However, it happened anyway. (I found ImageZoom 0.2.7 which is compatible with FF 2) -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From pubmb01 at skynet.be Sat Dec 9 23:15:20 2006 From: pubmb01 at skynet.be (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:15:20 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? Message-ID: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> Hello, is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. Bye, Bruno From jjesse at iserv.net Sat Dec 9 23:44:53 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:44:53 -0500 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> Message-ID: <200612092346.kB9NkJmN009689@mail2.iserv.net> -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Costacurta Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:15 PM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? Hello, is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. Bye, Bruno -- I use knetworkmanger to manage both my wireless and wired connections. Are you getting error messages when you try to mange your wired networks? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 00:18:15 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 02:18:15 +0200 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <457B15FE.2020402@rmk.co.il> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> <457B15FE.2020402@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <880dece00612091618t39cef4b1je02ef121c44da5e4@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/06, Nigel Ridley wrote: > You have to be careful there - I just recently did a backup of my girls > box and forgot to set the "Backup - preserve file permissions' and when > I went to restore everything (it was a clean install of Edgy) things > wouldn't run properly (KDE wouldn't start) because all the files, > including the important dot files, were 'read only'! I had to manually > fix all the permissions to what they should have been :-( > Thanks for that tip. I've so far only had to recover documents, so I haven't run into that. But it's best to learn from others' mistakes :) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/protocol.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/61/16/ac-dc/high_voltage.php From alvonsius.albert at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 04:07:49 2006 From: alvonsius.albert at gmail.com (Alvonsius Albert) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:07:49 +0700 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612092346.kB9NkJmN009689@mail2.iserv.net> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612092346.kB9NkJmN009689@mail2.iserv.net> Message-ID: <9dcecb110612092007r40e9b12cjb8944f8fcb46e95e@mail.gmail.com> On 12/10/06, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Bruno > Costacurta > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:15 PM > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? > > Hello, > > is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? > I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. > > Bye, > Bruno > > -- > > I use knetworkmanger to manage both my wireless and wired connections. Are > you getting error messages when you try to mange your wired networks? > > Is there any tutorial or howto out there? I didn't find any wired option on knetworkmanager. And another question, is it only for DHCP? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alvonsius Albert N System Designer / Web Developer PT Gamatechno Indonesia "Do whatever you like, but remember to take care all the responsibilities" Currently Blog at http://alvonsius.blogsome.com From jlwallen at monkeypantz.net Sun Dec 10 04:17:34 2006 From: jlwallen at monkeypantz.net (jack wallen) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:17:34 -0500 Subject: udev/kernel issue Message-ID: <1165724254.5669.14.camel@maryjanecapri> I've been trying to get my Treo 680 to sync with Dapper. After much looking around I believe it has come down to a kernel issue with udev. I'm not really sure what to do at this point other than wait for the kernel bug to be fixed. the only other choice I might have is to move the kernel back to an earlier version. But I've only recently started working with Ubuntu (worked with Red Hat/Fedora for 10 years). So i'm not really sure where to begin. I can't honestly imagine this issue being resolved any time soon with the kernel dev team. But would any on this list have any idea how to resolve the issue? Am I way off base here? Thanks so much. -- jack wallen, jr /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign spreading the word of \ / Respect for open standards gender equality and the FSF X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.monkeypantz.net / \ No M$ Word docs in email From pubmb01 at skynet.be Sun Dec 10 10:02:57 2006 From: pubmb01 at skynet.be (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:02:57 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <9dcecb110612092007r40e9b12cjb8944f8fcb46e95e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612092346.kB9NkJmN009689@mail2.iserv.net> <9dcecb110612092007r40e9b12cjb8944f8fcb46e95e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612101102.57482.pubmb01@skynet.be> On Sunday 10 December 2006 05:07, Alvonsius Albert wrote: > On 12/10/06, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > > [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Bruno > > Costacurta > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:15 PM > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? > > > > Hello, > > > > is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? > > I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. > > > > Bye, > > Bruno > > > > -- > > > > I use knetworkmanger to manage both my wireless and wired connections. > > Are you getting error messages when you try to mange your wired networks? > > Is there any tutorial or howto out there? I didn't find any wired > option on knetworkmanager. And another question, is it only for DHCP? > > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alvonsius Albert N > System Designer / Web Developer > PT Gamatechno Indonesia > > "Do whatever you like, but remember to take care all the responsibilities" > > Currently Blog at http://alvonsius.blogsome.com I'm not getting any information at all about (even when active) wired network, all given informations / menus are linked to wireless. The eth0 interface (wired network) do not use DHCP (I only use static address at home). Bye, Bruno From lure at ubuntu.com Sun Dec 10 11:11:56 2006 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:11:56 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612101102.57482.pubmb01@skynet.be> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <9dcecb110612092007r40e9b12cjb8944f8fcb46e95e@mail.gmail.com> <200612101102.57482.pubmb01@skynet.be> Message-ID: <200612101211.56470.lure@ubuntu.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:02, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > > is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? > > > I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. > I'm not getting any information at all about (even when active) wired > network, all given informations / menus are linked to wireless. > > The eth0 interface (wired network) do not use DHCP (I only use static > address at home). Network-manager 0.6.x can only manage DHCP interfaces. If you have static IP configured on the interface, network-manager will not show it. Next version (0.7) is supposed to have also support for static IP and I hope it will be included in Feisty (it is planned for Feb-Mar 2007). Regard, Luka From pubmb01 at skynet.be Sun Dec 10 11:30:19 2006 From: pubmb01 at skynet.be (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:30:19 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612101211.56470.lure@ubuntu.com> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101102.57482.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101211.56470.lure@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:11, Luka Renko wrote: > On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:02, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > > > is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? > > > > I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. > > > > I'm not getting any information at all about (even when active) wired > > network, all given informations / menus are linked to wireless. > > > > The eth0 interface (wired network) do not use DHCP (I only use static > > address at home). > > Network-manager 0.6.x can only manage DHCP interfaces. If you have static > IP configured on the interface, network-manager will not show it. > Next version (0.7) is supposed to have also support for static IP and I > hope it will be included in Feisty (it is planned for Feb-Mar 2007). > > Regard, > Luka Luka, thanks for clarification. Meantime is there any tools (within KDE ?) to manage all network interfaces ? I'm struggling to find someting complete and useful under (k)ubuntu. My other Linux experience is Fedora where tools under KDE (even based on Gnome) are available. I have the feeling that ubuntu lacks this. Thanks to all. Bye, Bruno From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 11:49:47 2006 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:49:47 +0200 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101102.57482.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101211.56470.lure@ubuntu.com> <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> Message-ID: <457BF45B.5040606@gmail.com> Bruno Costacurta wrote: > On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:11, Luka Renko wrote: >> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:02, Bruno Costacurta wrote: >>>>> is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? >>>>> I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. >>> I'm not getting any information at all about (even when active) wired >>> network, all given informations / menus are linked to wireless. >>> >>> The eth0 interface (wired network) do not use DHCP (I only use static >>> address at home). >> Network-manager 0.6.x can only manage DHCP interfaces. If you have static >> IP configured on the interface, network-manager will not show it. >> Next version (0.7) is supposed to have also support for static IP and I >> hope it will be included in Feisty (it is planned for Feb-Mar 2007). >> >> Regard, >> Luka > > Luka, thanks for clarification. > Meantime is there any tools (within KDE ?) to manage all network interfaces ? > > I'm struggling to find someting complete and useful under (k)ubuntu. > My other Linux experience is Fedora where tools under KDE (even > based on Gnome) are available. I have the feeling that ubuntu lacks this. > > Thanks to all. > Bye, > Bruno > Bruno - what tools are these? If you name them possibly someone can give you a repository where they can be loaded from? Sinclair From daniel at rimspace.net Sun Dec 10 12:04:47 2006 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:04:47 +1100 Subject: udev/kernel issue References: <1165724254.5669.14.camel@maryjanecapri> Message-ID: <87ac1wj6sg.fsf@rimspace.net> jack wallen writes: > I've been trying to get my Treo 680 to sync with Dapper. After much > looking around I believe it has come down to a kernel issue with udev. > I'm not really sure what to do at this point other than wait for the > kernel bug to be fixed. the only other choice I might have is to move > the kernel back to an earlier version. But I've only recently started > working with Ubuntu (worked with Red Hat/Fedora for 10 years). So i'm > not really sure where to begin. > > I can't honestly imagine this issue being resolved any time soon with > the kernel dev team. But would any on this list have any idea how to > resolve the issue? Am I way off base here? The path to getting it fixed is simple: file a bug report in Launchpad, against udev or the kernel, with as much technical detail and analysis as possible. Ideally you can actually identify the buy and supply a an exact cause, but anything is better than nothing. Then work with the bug manager to push it upstream, if necessary. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From alain.muls at telenet.be Sun Dec 10 12:53:25 2006 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:53:25 +0100 Subject: Firefox Lockups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612101353.25582.alain.muls@telenet.be> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:04, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Has anyone else had problems with Firefox  (2.0) just locking up?  I can be > browsing along on any website, with any kind of content, and at completely > random times Firefox will just freeze up. > There's no reason or rhyme, and no consistency about what kind of content, > how many tabs, or anything else.  Are there any known issues with the > following extensions: > Bibleserver Toolbar 2.0.0.0 > checky 2.5  (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) > ContextMenu Extensions 4.0.2006011301  (says its not compatible, but I have > no way to uninstall) > DownThemAll 0.9.9.7 > Forecastfox 0.9.3.1 > Google Toolbar for Firefox 2.1.20060807L > ImageZoom 0.2.5 (says its not compatible, but I have no way to uninstall) > Also it happens running the Default Firefox Theme, as well as the Doodle > Classic 2.0.0.3 theme. Hi, I have similar problems using either FF v.1.5.0.7 or FF v2.0. I removed all themes, all extensions and all plugins but the random locking up persisted. I posted 3 times for that problem on this list, but in vain. I now use konqueror for browsing and have since had no problems. It is a pitty since I really liked FF, but it was not usable anymore. Sorry that I cannot help -- mvg/Alain ________________________________________________________ Alain Muls Tel +32.2.7426340 Royal Military Academy Fax +32.2.7426472 Dep CISS-ASGE alain.muls at telenet.be ________________________________________________________ From gismo at iol.ie Sun Dec 10 13:10:35 2006 From: gismo at iol.ie (Steve) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:10:35 +0000 Subject: Firefox Lockups In-Reply-To: <200612101353.25582.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200612101353.25582.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200612101310.35624.gismo@iol.ie> On Sun 10 December 2006 12:53, Alain Muls wrote: > Hi, > > I have similar problems using either FF v.1.5.0.7 or FF v2.0. > I removed all themes, all extensions and all plugins but the random > locking up persisted. I posted 3 times for that problem on this > list, but in vain. I now use konqueror for browsing and have since > had no problems. It is a pitty since I really liked FF, but it was > not usable anymore. > > Sorry that I cannot help > > -- > > mvg/Alain Yep I had the same problems I have gone back to 1.5.0.8 as 2 just kept locking up all the time. steve From pubmb01 at skynet.be Sun Dec 10 14:13:14 2006 From: pubmb01 at skynet.be (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:13:14 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <457BF45B.5040606@gmail.com> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> <457BF45B.5040606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612101513.14892.pubmb01@skynet.be> On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:49, O. Sinclair wrote: > Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:11, Luka Renko wrote: > >> On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:02, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > >>>>> is knetworkmanager only for wireless interface usage ? > >>>>> I cannot manage / access my wired network from knetworkmanager. > >>> > >>> I'm not getting any information at all about (even when active) wired > >>> network, all given informations / menus are linked to wireless. > >>> > >>> The eth0 interface (wired network) do not use DHCP (I only use static > >>> address at home). > >> > >> Network-manager 0.6.x can only manage DHCP interfaces. If you have > >> static IP configured on the interface, network-manager will not show it. > >> Next version (0.7) is supposed to have also support for static IP and I > >> hope it will be included in Feisty (it is planned for Feb-Mar 2007). > >> > >> Regard, > >> Luka > > > > Luka, thanks for clarification. > > Meantime is there any tools (within KDE ?) to manage all network > > interfaces ? > > > > I'm struggling to find someting complete and useful under (k)ubuntu. > > My other Linux experience is Fedora where tools under KDE (even > > based on Gnome) are available. I have the feeling that ubuntu lacks this. > > > > Thanks to all. > > Bye, > > Bruno > > Bruno - what tools are these? If you name them possibly someone can give > you a repository where they can be loaded from? > > Sinclair Under Fedora, these tools are named system-config-.., ie. system-config-network allows you to define interfaces, dhcp or static address, start at boot time..etc.. Bruno From lure at ubuntu.com Sun Dec 10 14:16:34 2006 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:16:34 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101211.56470.lure@ubuntu.com> <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> Message-ID: <200612101516.35057.lure@ubuntu.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:30, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > Luka, thanks for clarification. > Meantime is there any tools (within KDE ?) to manage all network interfaces > ? No, there is no one tool for all networking. :-( knetworkconf (System Settings -> Network Settings) provides you full control over your network interfaces, the only real limitation is that it does not have WPA support (only WEP). However static config and profiles does not help you much with mobile users, where knetworkmanager is the right answer. Some improvement in this area are planned to be addressed with better network roaming support in Feisty: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-roaming The idea is to have network manager (knetworkmanager) by default and link it to static network config (knetworkconf in KDE) when interfaces need static config. This will improve the situation as users will not be confused by missing interfaces in the knetworkmanager. Regards, Luka From diego.destefani at unife.it Sun Dec 10 15:42:15 2006 From: diego.destefani at unife.it (Diego De Stefani) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:42:15 +0100 Subject: knetworkmanager : only for wireless ? In-Reply-To: <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> References: <200612100015.20120.pubmb01@skynet.be> <200612101211.56470.lure@ubuntu.com> <200612101230.20070.pubmb01@skynet.be> Message-ID: <200612101642.15504.diego.destefani@unife.it> On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:30, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > Network-manager 0.6.x can only manage DHCP interfaces. If you have static > > IP configured on the interface, network-manager will not show it. > > Next version (0.7) is supposed to have also support for static IP and I > > hope it will be included in Feisty (it is planned for Feb-Mar 2007). > > > > Regard, > > Luka > > Luka, thanks for clarification. > Meantime is there any tools (within KDE ?) to manage all network interfaces > ? There another tool similar to network-manager called Connection Manager, and there's a thread on Ubuntu forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299462 AFAIK, it can handle both static IP and dhcp-based networks... have a look. -- Diego De Stefani, PhD student Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine University of Ferrara diego.destefani at unife.it From samp at arial-concept.com Sun Dec 10 17:29:30 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:29:30 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 Message-ID: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> Hi, How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on Kubuntu 6.10 ? I tried the repository: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) But I got dependency errors. Thanks for your help. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From kaj at haulrich.net Sun Dec 10 18:33:54 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:33:54 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Hi, > > How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on > Kubuntu 6.10 ? > > I tried the repository: > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) > > But I got dependency errors. > > Thanks for your help. > > Sam. Have you tried Automatix2 ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From samp at arial-concept.com Sun Dec 10 18:48:09 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:48:09 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : > On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on >> Kubuntu 6.10 ? >> >> I tried the repository: >> >> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) >> >> But I got dependency errors. >> >> >> > Have you tried Automatix2 ? > No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer plugin ? Sam. -- Sam Przyswa - Chef de projet Arial Concept - Intégrateur Internet 36, rue de Turin - 75008 - Paris - France Tel: 01 40 54 86 04 - 0870 444 596 - Fax: 01 40 54 83 01 Skype ID: arial-concept Web: http://www.arial-concept.com - Email: Info at arial-concept.com -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From macem at chello.at Sun Dec 10 18:57:18 2006 From: macem at chello.at (Merk Matthias) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:57:18 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612101957.18775.macem@chello.at> On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Kaj Haulrich a écrit : > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on > >> Kubuntu 6.10 ? > >> > >> I tried the repository: > >> > >> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) > >> > >> But I got dependency errors. > > > > Have you tried Automatix2 ? > > No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer plugin ? > > Sam. yep, try automatix2. it does that automagically for you :) http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation From thcsp at online.no Sun Dec 10 19:10:21 2006 From: thcsp at online.no (Thomas Sperre) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:10:21 +0100 Subject: k3b permissions error In-Reply-To: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200612102010.22032.thcsp@online.no> Torsdag 07 desember 2006 01:08 skreiv Paul Kaplan: > I just tried to use k3b to recored a cdrom on Edgy and was met with a > permissions error for cdrecord. The fix suggested in k3bsetup (using a > burning group) didn't work. > > What are the correct permissions and for which files. Is this an > installation error? (I never touched it until today.) > > Running kdesu k3b worked fine. > > Paul For what it's worth, on my old computer I just could not run k3b. I got some strange error messages but basically it would just hang up, freexe completely and do no work at all until I happened to replace the CD-ROM burner with a newer DVD - rom burner....then everything worked fine. I even reported this as a bug but the replacing of the old CDROM burner took place before we were able to trap the bug...it was something kdeish..... From kaj at haulrich.net Sun Dec 10 19:25:35 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:25:35 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612102025.35674.kaj@haulrich.net> On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Kaj Haulrich a écrit : > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on > >> Kubuntu 6.10 ? > >> > >> I tried the repository: > >> > >> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and > >> stable) > >> > >> But I got dependency errors. > > > > Have you tried Automatix2 ? > > No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer > plugin ? No, Automatix is a easy-to-use installer. It can install lots of non-free stuff such as Mplayer, Flash, Acrobat Reader, RealPlayer and whatnot. Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Dec 10 19:47:16 2006 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: write to floppy Message-ID: <457C6444.5030403@midmaine.com> I have been able to use kfloppy to format a floppy in dos mode so I can move a dos file to floppy for a dos box. My problem seems that as a regular user, I can not write to floppy disk of the files I need for it. But in superuser mode I can do so just fine. I just want to move dos files to my dos box which is a stand alone system. Can anyone tell me if I am over looking something. Harold From samp at arial-concept.com Sun Dec 10 20:16:36 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:16:36 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612102025.35674.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> <200612102025.35674.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <457C6B24.6060201@arial-concept.com> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : > On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : >> >>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on >>>> Kubuntu 6.10 ? >>>> >>>> I tried the repository: >>>> >>>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and >>>> stable) >>>> >>>> But I got dependency errors. >>>> >>> Have you tried Automatix2 ? >>> >> No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer >> plugin ? >> > > No, Automatix is a easy-to-use installer. It can install lots of > non-free stuff such as Mplayer, Flash, Acrobat Reader, RealPlayer > and whatnot. > This is curious, I have upgraded in 6.10 two machines one installed with the mozilla-mplayer on Firefox and after upgrade the plugin stay installed and running, the other one *without* mozilla-mplayer installed and on this machine there is no way to install it !? Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From samp at arial-concept.com Sun Dec 10 20:26:42 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:26:42 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612101957.18775.macem@chello.at> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101933.54777.kaj@haulrich.net> <457C5669.9020806@arial-concept.com> <200612101957.18775.macem@chello.at> Message-ID: <457C6D82.80407@arial-concept.com> Merk Matthias a écrit : > On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : >> >>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on >>>> Kubuntu 6.10 ? >>>> >>>> I tried the repository: >>>> >>>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) >>>> >>>> But I got dependency errors. >>>> >>> Have you tried Automatix2 ? >>> >> No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer plugin ? >> >> Sam. >> > > yep, try automatix2. it does that automagically for you :) > http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation > I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From kaj at haulrich.net Sun Dec 10 22:19:40 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:19:40 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457C6D82.80407@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101957.18775.macem@chello.at> <457C6D82.80407@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612102319.40390.kaj@haulrich.net> On Sunday 10 December 2006 21:26, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Merk Matthias a écrit : > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : > >>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox > >>>> on Kubuntu 6.10 ? > >>>> > >>>> I tried the repository: > >>>> > >>>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and > >>>> stable) > >>>> > >>>> But I got dependency errors. > >>> > >>> Have you tried Automatix2 ? > >> > >> No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as > >> mplayer plugin ? > >> > >> Sam. > > > > yep, try automatix2. it does that automagically for you :) > > http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation > > I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my > sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY > 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? You need to install the public key. Instructions here : http://www.debianadmin.com/install-automatix2-in-ubuntukubuntuxubuntu.html Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Dec 11 02:18:40 2006 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:18:40 -0500 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457C6D82.80407@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101957.18775.macem@chello.at> <457C6D82.80407@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612102118.40938.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 15:26, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Merk Matthias a écrit : > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : > >>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on > >>>> Kubuntu 6.10 ? > >>>> > >>>> I tried the repository: > >>>> > >>>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) > >>>> > >>>> But I got dependency errors. > >>> > >>> Have you tried Automatix2 ? > >> > >> No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer plugin > >> ? > >> > >> Sam. > > > > yep, try automatix2. it does that automagically for you :) > > http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation > > I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my > sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY > 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google for the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, curious. From neil.linux at iinet.net.au Mon Dec 11 02:39:35 2006 From: neil.linux at iinet.net.au (neil.linux) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:39:35 +1100 Subject: Movies and Sound freezes in Firefox Message-ID: <457CC4E7.2090803@iinet.net.au> I'm using Kubuntu Edgy as a clean install with all repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) for the edgy main, edgy-backports, edgy-security and edgy-proposed and the extras found using Automatix and Easy Ubuntu. I'm using ALSA sound on a Intel IC5/ICH5R AC'97 Audio Controller sound card. My video card is an ATI Radion 9200 Pro (RV280) using the ATI driver installed as the default. My problem is that embedded movies streamed over the Internet freeze after the first 15 to 30 seconds when using Firefox 2.0 (Although the video still continues to download). I have no problem streaming them through Kaffeine except I get intermittent sound (ie sound for 15 seconds then nothing then maybe sound again after about a minute) . I had the same problem with Firefox 1.5.x under Dapper. When playing from the hard drive they play all the way through but with intermittent sound (see above). This happens with both mplayer and xine based plugins and players. What steps could I be doing to troubleshoot this and does anyone know of a workaround that might address this issue? Many thanks in advance for any help people may be able to offer. Neil Blenkiron Melbourne, Australia From samp at arial-concept.com Mon Dec 11 03:05:36 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:05:36 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612102118.40938.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612101957.18775.macem@chello.at> <457C6D82.80407@arial-concept.com> <200612102118.40938.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <457CCB00.8060002@arial-concept.com> Brendan a écrit : > On Sunday 10 December 2006 15:26, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Merk Matthias a écrit : >> >>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 19:48, Sam Przyswa wrote: >>> >>>> Kaj Haulrich a écrit : >>>> >>>>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 18:29, Sam Przyswa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on >>>>>> Kubuntu 6.10 ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried the repository: >>>>>> >>>>>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) >>>>>> >>>>>> But I got dependency errors. >>>>>> >>>>> Have you tried Automatix2 ? >>>>> >>>> No !? - Is it able to play WMV files into the browser as mplayer plugin >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Sam. >>>> >>> yep, try automatix2. it does that automagically for you :) >>> http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation >>> >> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my >> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY >> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? >> > > Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google for the > answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to blow the signal > to noise ratio, do you? > > In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY > > And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, curious. > Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Dec 11 03:08:23 2006 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:08:23 -0500 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457CCB00.8060002@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612102118.40938.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <457CCB00.8060002@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612102208.24109.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 22:05, you wrote: > >> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my > >> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY > >> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? > > > > Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google for > > the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to blow > > the signal to noise ratio, do you? > > > > In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY > > > > And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, > > curious. > > Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? With that search string? Nope. I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. From claydoh at claydoh.com Mon Dec 11 03:29:44 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Charles Weber) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:29:44 -0500 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612102208.24109.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <457CCB00.8060002@arial-concept.com> <200612102208.24109.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 10:08 pm, Brendan wrote: > On Sunday 10 December 2006 22:05, you wrote: > > >> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my > > >> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY > > >> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? > > > > > > Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google > > > for the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to > > > blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? > > > > > > In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY > > > > > > And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, > > > curious. > > > > Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? > > With that search string? Nope. > I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to > try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. Forget automatix, if you have to edit your sources.list, might as well enable the extra repositories and use a package manager and also avoid having to do the gpg thing altogether for most things https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu Then you can get the packages you need for mozilla-mplayer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for the codecs, etc you will need But the search string mentioned earlier will definitely fix you up super fast :) -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to > > > > blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? > > > > > > > > In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY > > > > > > > > And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, > > > > curious. > > > > > > Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? > > > > With that search string? Nope. > > I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to > > try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. > > Forget automatix, if you have to edit your sources.list, might as well > enable the extra repositories and use a package manager and also avoid > having to do the gpg thing altogether for most things > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu > Then you can get the packages you need for mozilla-mplayer > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats > for the codecs, etc you will need > > But the search string mentioned earlier will definitely fix you up super > fast :) Total agreement here. Automatix is for people who want to continuously fix their systems instead of learning a few things up front. Nothing wrong with the software itself, but it just takes an hour or so to learn enough apt-get to be very dangerous. From priyadarsanroy at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 05:51:52 2006 From: priyadarsanroy at gmail.com (Priyadarsan Roy) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:21:52 +0530 Subject: Firefox Lockups In-Reply-To: <200612101310.35624.gismo@iol.ie> References: <200612101353.25582.alain.muls@telenet.be> <200612101310.35624.gismo@iol.ie> Message-ID: <457CF1F8.2090101@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaj at haulrich.net Mon Dec 11 08:11:37 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:11:37 +0100 Subject: Movies and Sound freezes in Firefox In-Reply-To: <457CC4E7.2090803@iinet.net.au> References: <457CC4E7.2090803@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <200612110911.37589.kaj@haulrich.net> On Monday 11 December 2006 03:39, neil.linux wrote: > I'm using Kubuntu Edgy as a clean install with all repositories > (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) for the edgy main, > edgy-backports, edgy-security and edgy-proposed and the extras > found using Automatix and Easy Ubuntu. > I'm using ALSA sound on a Intel IC5/ICH5R AC'97 Audio Controller > sound card. My video card is an ATI Radion 9200 Pro (RV280) using > the ATI driver installed as the default. > > > My problem is that embedded movies streamed over the Internet > freeze after the first 15 to 30 seconds when using Firefox 2.0 > (Although the video still continues to download). I have no > problem streaming them through Kaffeine except I get intermittent > sound (ie sound for 15 seconds then nothing then maybe sound > again after about a minute) . > I had the same problem with Firefox 1.5.x under Dapper. > > When playing from the hard drive they play all the way through > but with intermittent sound (see above). This happens with both > mplayer and xine based plugins and players. > > What steps could I be doing to troubleshoot this and does anyone > know of a workaround that might address this issue? > > Many thanks in advance for any help people may be able to offer. > > Neil Blenkiron > Melbourne, Australia Looks like a Flash problem. Strangely enough Adobe seems to update their Flash9 beta without giving notice. I had the same problem, but after re-installing flashplayer it disappeared. You can download the latest and greatest player here : http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ then copy the *.so file into your various plugins directories. Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From neil.linux at iinet.net.au Mon Dec 11 08:49:27 2006 From: neil.linux at iinet.net.au (neil.linux) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:49:27 +1100 Subject: Movies and Sound freezes in Firefox In-Reply-To: <200612110911.37589.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <457CC4E7.2090803@iinet.net.au> <200612110911.37589.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <457D1B97.3090504@iinet.net.au> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Monday 11 December 2006 03:39, neil.linux wrote: > >> >> >> My problem is that embedded movies streamed over the Internet >> freeze after the first 15 to 30 seconds when using Firefox 2.0 >> (Although the video still continues to download). I have no >> problem streaming them through Kaffeine except I get intermittent >> sound (ie sound for 15 seconds then nothing then maybe sound >> again after about a minute) . >> I had the same problem with Firefox 1.5.x under Dapper. >> >> When playing from the hard drive they play all the way through >> but with intermittent sound (see above). This happens with both >> mplayer and xine based plugins and players. >> >> What steps could I be doing to troubleshoot this and does anyone >> know of a workaround that might address this issue? >> >> Many thanks in advance for any help people may be able to offer. >> >> Neil Blenkiron >> Melbourne, Australia >> > > Looks like a Flash problem. Strangely enough Adobe seems to update > their Flash9 beta without giving notice. I had the same problem, > but after re-installing flashplayer it disappeared. You can > download the latest and greatest player here : > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > then copy the *.so file into your various plugins directories. > > Kaj Haulrich. > Thanks for the advice Kaj. I updated Flash as suggested but still have the movie freezing. I couldn't even play the advert before the short film at http://www.atomfilms.com/film/punk_group_fat.jsp?mid=232889693 without the video freezing. I Notice that flash animations on adverts in the sidebar keep working. Could the problem be in a config file for mplayer or a setting in Firefox itself? Neil Blenkiron Melbourne, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaj at haulrich.net Mon Dec 11 09:27:22 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:27:22 +0100 Subject: Movies and Sound freezes in Firefox In-Reply-To: <457D1B97.3090504@iinet.net.au> References: <457CC4E7.2090803@iinet.net.au> <200612110911.37589.kaj@haulrich.net> <457D1B97.3090504@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <200612111027.22408.kaj@haulrich.net> On Monday 11 December 2006 09:49, neil.linux wrote: > Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Monday 11 December 2006 03:39, neil.linux wrote: > >> > >> > >> My problem is that embedded movies streamed over the Internet > >> freeze after the first 15 to 30 seconds when using Firefox 2.0 > >> (Although the video still continues to download). I have no > >> problem streaming them through Kaffeine except I get > >> intermittent sound (ie sound for 15 seconds then nothing then > >> maybe sound again after about a minute) . > >> I had the same problem with Firefox 1.5.x under Dapper. > >> > >> When playing from the hard drive they play all the way through > >> but with intermittent sound (see above). This happens with > >> both mplayer and xine based plugins and players. > >> > >> What steps could I be doing to troubleshoot this and does > >> anyone know of a workaround that might address this issue? > >> > >> Many thanks in advance for any help people may be able to > >> offer. > >> > >> Neil Blenkiron > >> Melbourne, Australia > > > > Looks like a Flash problem. Strangely enough Adobe seems to > > update their Flash9 beta without giving notice. I had the same > > problem, but after re-installing flashplayer it disappeared. > > You can download the latest and greatest player here : > > > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > > > then copy the *.so file into your various plugins directories. > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > Thanks for the advice Kaj. > > I updated Flash as suggested but still have the movie freezing. I > couldn't even play the advert before the short film at > http://www.atomfilms.com/film/punk_group_fat.jsp?mid=232889693 > without the video freezing. I Notice that flash animations on > adverts in the sidebar keep working. > > Could the problem be in a config file for mplayer or a setting in > Firefox itself? I don't think MPlayer has anything to do with flash. On my system certainly nothing. I just copied the flashplayer.so --> plugins dir. You could try to adjust the memory settings in flash by right-clicking the movie and increase memory. Otherwise I'm out of ideas... Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From samp at arial-concept.com Mon Dec 11 14:12:05 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:12:05 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <457CCB00.8060002@arial-concept.com> <200612102208.24109.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> Charles Weber a écrit : > On Sunday 10 December 2006 10:08 pm, Brendan wrote: > >> On Sunday 10 December 2006 22:05, you wrote: >> >>>>> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my >>>>> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY >>>>> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? >>>>> >>>> Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google >>>> for the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to >>>> blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? >>>> >>>> In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY >>>> >>>> And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, >>>> curious. >>>> >>> Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? >>> >> With that search string? Nope. >> I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to >> try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. >> > > Forget automatix, if you have to edit your sources.list, might as well enable > the extra repositories and use a package manager and also avoid having to do > the gpg thing altogether for most things > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu > Then you can get the packages you need for mozilla-mplayer > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats > for the codecs, etc you will need > Thanks a lot for these links, but it seems that mplayer and mozilla-mplayer are not supported yet on Firefox 2.0 in 6.10. It's strange because an upgrade to 6.10 on machine with mplayer and mozilla-mplayer installed is working !? Can you explain that ? Thanks again. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Tue Dec 12 15:04:54 2006 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:04:54 -0700 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612120804.54137.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 11 December 2006 07:12, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Charles Weber a écrit : > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 10:08 pm, Brendan wrote: > >> On Sunday 10 December 2006 22:05, you wrote: > >>>>> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my > >>>>> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY > >>>>> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? > >>>> > >>>> Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google > >>>> for the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to > >>>> blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? > >>>> > >>>> In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY > >>>> > >>>> And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, > >>>> curious. > >>> > >>> Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? > >> > >> With that search string? Nope. > >> I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to > >> try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. > > > > Forget automatix, if you have to edit your sources.list, might as well > > enable the extra repositories and use a package manager and also avoid > > having to do the gpg thing altogether for most things > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu > > Then you can get the packages you need for mozilla-mplayer > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats > > for the codecs, etc you will need > > Thanks a lot for these links, but it seems that mplayer and > mozilla-mplayer are not supported yet on Firefox 2.0 in 6.10. It's > strange because an upgrade to 6.10 on machine with mplayer and > mozilla-mplayer installed is working !? > > Can you explain that ? > > Thanks again. > > Sam. Try easy ubuntu http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ > > > > -- > Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner > pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de > suspect n'a été trouvé. From claydoh at claydoh.com Mon Dec 11 15:36:45 2006 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Charles Weber) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:36:45 -0500 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <200612111037.07314.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Monday 11 December 2006 9:12 am, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Charles Weber a écrit : > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 10:08 pm, Brendan wrote: > >> On Sunday 10 December 2006 22:05, you wrote: > >>>>> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my > >>>>> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY > >>>>> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? > >>>> > >>>> Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google > >>>> for the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to > >>>> blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? > >>>> > >>>> In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY > >>>> > >>>> And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, > >>>> curious. > >>> > >>> Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? > >> > >> With that search string? Nope. > >> I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to > >> try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. > > > > Forget automatix, if you have to edit your sources.list, might as well > > enable the extra repositories and use a package manager and also avoid > > having to do the gpg thing altogether for most things > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu > > Then you can get the packages you need for mozilla-mplayer > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats > > for the codecs, etc you will need > > Thanks a lot for these links, but it seems that mplayer and > mozilla-mplayer are not supported yet on Firefox 2.0 in 6.10. It's > strange because an upgrade to 6.10 on machine with mplayer and > mozilla-mplayer installed is working !? > > Can you explain that ? > > Thanks again. > > Sam. > > > It woked for me on a fresh install, but I had to adjust settings for it (in a video, right-click, select "Configure") and adjust the Audio/video selections until you find the combination that works. You need to close and reopen the video window for any changes to take effect For me, X11 and OSS fork for me using CCC's news videos -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From samp at arial-concept.com Mon Dec 11 16:24:06 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:24:06 +0100 Subject: [solved] Re: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <200612120804.54137.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> <200612120804.54137.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <457D8626.3040507@arial-concept.com> Grumpy_Penguin a écrit : > On Monday 11 December 2006 07:12, Sam Przyswa wrote: > >> Charles Weber a écrit : >> >>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 10:08 pm, Brendan wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday 10 December 2006 22:05, you wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> I put the "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" in my >>>>>>> sources.list but in "apt-get update" I got a GPG error NO_PUBKEY >>>>>>> 18B52FE3521A9C7C !? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Remember, before you hit send...see if you can check a FAQ or Google >>>>>> for the answer. It's not rocket science, and you don't really want to >>>>>> blow the signal to noise ratio, do you? >>>>>> >>>>>> In Konqueror, that's: gg: GPG error NO_PUBKEY >>>>>> >>>>>> And on that first search page, there is your EXACT answer...Hmmmm, >>>>>> curious. >>>>>> >>>>> Did you find an answer to my first question about mozilla-mplayer ? >>>>> >>>> With that search string? Nope. >>>> I'm sure another search would yield something, but it is not up to me to >>>> try. I don't have the issue. Give it a shot. >>>> >>> Forget automatix, if you have to edit your sources.list, might as well >>> enable the extra repositories and use a package manager and also avoid >>> having to do the gpg thing altogether for most things >>> >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu >>> Then you can get the packages you need for mozilla-mplayer >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats >>> for the codecs, etc you will need >>> >> Thanks a lot for these links, but it seems that mplayer and >> mozilla-mplayer are not supported yet on Firefox 2.0 in 6.10. It's >> strange because an upgrade to 6.10 on machine with mplayer and >> mozilla-mplayer installed is working !? >> >> Can you explain that ? >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Sam. >> > Try easy ubuntu > http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ > I succeed to install mplayer and mozilla-mplayer by hand, I got the .deb on "packages.ubuntu.com" that's work fine but I don't know why these packages are not in universe or multiverse repository !? Thanks a lot for your help, and sorry for the signal to noise ratio of some of my posts. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Mon Dec 11 17:05:43 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:05:43 -0800 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <87slfm2wig.fsf@fjellstad.org> Sam Przyswa writes: > Hi, > > How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on Kubuntu 6.10 ? > > I tried the repository: > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) > > But I got dependency errors. > > Thanks for your help. First off, you are better off using an Ubuntu repository rather than a Debian repository. debian-multimedia.org is a debian repository. Second, what are the dependency problems? You need to post them. Third, both the mplayer and mozilla-mplayer are in the multiverse repository. Check out the ubuntu wiki for how to enable them. Fourth, to really see and hear 'windows media', you are probably going to need non-free codecs. Search for 'penguin liberation front' and 'Ubuntu restricted formats'. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Dec 11 17:17:52 2006 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:17:52 -0500 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <45788C13.2090609@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612071315.44296.art.alexion@verizon.net> <45788C13.2090609@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612111217.59390.art.alexion@verizon.net> Sorry, Tez, I don't mean to be difficult. I LIKE sudo most of the time, but... On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:48, Tez wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:03, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > >> `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use > >> this program just the same as if you were logged as user root. > > > > So if you get a root console, with all of its insecurities, why is doing > > it that way better than just su? > > Because, > 1) only members of the adm group can get a root shell and And how is this different/better than only giving admins the root password? > 2) you don't have to give out a root password for more than 1 user to > run privileged commands. And letting people use their own password to perform root activities is more secure than restricting who gets a password because ... ? I like sudo. I find it easier than su -c. I also feel that those who play loose with root logins are asking for trouble. Root security is not just about multiple users; its about being careful about running certain potentially damaging commands. That said, I don't understand the religious zeal that people have about sudo, pro or con. Typing sudo just ain't that big a deal most of the time for sudo haters, and having to get and use a separate root password can't be less secure than using the same one for everything. > > Tez -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just get another distro if it > worries you. C'mon ... That's what open source is all about. If you have the skills and knowledge you can customize it to work the way you want. Using it the way it comes out of the box is proprietary thinking. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X developers using laptops that don't have separate numpad keys? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From polydad8 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 17:47:09 2006 From: polydad8 at yahoo.com (Ess Jay) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:47:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Wireless connectivity on Lenovo C100 laptop Message-ID: <982298.10195.qm@web37214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, folks -- I can't seem to get wireless connectivity from Kubuntu on my Lenovo laptop. Hints/suggestions/help? best, Joel --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raphink at ubuntu.com Mon Dec 11 18:13:32 2006 From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:13:32 +0100 Subject: Root login In-Reply-To: <200612111217.59390.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> <200612071315.44296.art.alexion@verizon.net> <45788C13.2090609@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612111217.59390.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8ce271500612111013j77da43afi2fc8af44bcc0286c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/11/06, Art Alexion wrote: > > Sorry, Tez, I don't mean to be difficult. I LIKE sudo most of the time, > but... > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:48, Tez wrote: > > Art Alexion wrote: > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:03, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > > > >> `sudo -i` and `sudo -s` provide you a root console that lets you use > > >> this program just the same as if you were logged as user root. > > > > > > So if you get a root console, with all of its insecurities, why is > doing > > > it that way better than just su? > > > > Because, > > 1) only members of the adm group can get a root shell and > > And how is this different/better than only giving admins the root > password? Because anytime you can remove people from this group and thus take away their rights without changing the admin password. If you have a root account, you have to change the password if you want someone to stop administrating the machine, and let all the other admins know about the change. > 2) you don't have to give out a root password for more than 1 user to > > run privileged commands. > > And letting people use their own password to perform root activities is > more > secure than restricting who gets a password because ... ? For the same reason than the one I just told a few lines up. Just as using ssh-keys is more secure than using password logins, because you can just remove the key of a user and he stops getting an access... Easy and secure. Regards -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphaël Pinson - raphink at ichthux.com http://www.raphink.info Ichthux - http://www.ichthux.com - Linux for Christians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Herve at lucidia.net Mon Dec 11 18:24:05 2006 From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:24:05 -0200 Subject: Wireless connectivity on Lenovo C100 laptop In-Reply-To: <982298.10195.qm@web37214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <982298.10195.qm@web37214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4413284c0612111024j65a89668j4c5a9cb54a24e406@mail.gmail.com> What's your wireless chipset? Hint: lspci Hervé. On 12/11/06, Ess Jay wrote: > Hello, folks -- > > I can't seem to get wireless connectivity from Kubuntu on my Lenovo laptop. > Hints/suggestions/help? > > best, > > Joel > > > ________________________________ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Dec 11 18:29:18 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:29:18 -0400 Subject: k3b permissions error References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com> <200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: Paul Kaplan wrote: > On Saturday 09 December 2006 9:17 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> On Saturday 09 December 2006 6:59 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> > Paul, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this, I always run k3b as >> > root. It's the only 100% sure way to avoid those permissions problems >> >> I'm not going to flame you. I have to do this too, and I don't >> understand >> why. K3B scans for permissions at startup, and does not detect any >> problems. If I run the setup utility manually, it finds nothing to >> complain >> about. Yet whenever I try to burn something, I get a message similar to >> "I/O Error! See log for details." The log is always empty of any clue >> at >> all. It just fails for no apparent reason, and I have no clue what to do >> about it. >> >> It's got to be permissions on something that k3bsetup doesn't check for, >> but what? I've tried to strace it to no avail, tried various other >> ideas. At the end, I just run it as root and sigh. >> > Yeah. I've tried setting the suid bit on /usr/bin/cdrecord, > /usr/bin/cdrdao, > and /usr/bin/cdparanoia. Obviiously something else is needed. > Clearly a bug or oversight in k3bsetup, unless it's a feature...but for > what purpose? I wouldn't _flame_ you for running as root - but it's not the right way to do it :-) What's the device name of your burner? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Dec 11 18:27:04 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:27:04 -0400 Subject: Firefox opens on half the screen References: <457196AA.2010701@bellsouth.net> <200612021641.18715.kaj@haulrich.net> <4571A13A.9040502@themagictree.co.uk> <4575D28F.60501@themagictree.co.uk> <880dece00612060335w5e243bbfuc6920d902dc1a5b1@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612061209x6aab49b4k8bb6015e94816c8f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612081430k2c81242x40cb43be41835fed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 08/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Since this discussion came up, I have yet to find another application >> where the icon changes when the borders are dragged to the edges, but it >> was no surprise to me when the OP mentioned it in Firefox, because I knew >> I _had_ >> seen it happen. I wish I could remember what else does this... > > Worked for me in Kate. Didn't try anything else. It might depend on > what KDE style you are using. Yes! So that's exactly the behaviour I'd expect from Firefox - or else to simply not change the icon if you resize to fill the screen, so that one can tell it's not actually maximized. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Dec 11 18:15:44 2006 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:15:44 -0400 Subject: KDE Question -- Is this specific to Kubuntu? References: <200612052122.31936.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200612052123.11730.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <880dece00612061203h5d2e9ce9kb38b2fcd04b747b5@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612081428n4cb6d364q52aa9c9784bce63c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 08/12/06, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Argh!!! Very funny :-) The problem is that I keep holding the key down >> too >> long. A nice Windows () feature is that when that happens, it >> suspects you may have keyboard difficulties and pops up a message asking >> if >> you want the Accessibility options turned on. If you tell it not to >> bother you again, it won't, otherwise iirc it asks how long it should >> wait before >> doing this sort of thing. Even MS gets things right sometimes. > > The behaviour that you are referring to is for activating Sticky Keys, > a feature that KDE has as well (I use it). The > CTRL-Get-Numbers-for-Links feature MS's IE does not have. I realize that, but they certainly seemed related (though, it's not "numbers for links" - it's whatever the shortcut key is defined as; perhaps if no shortcuts are defined, it uses the tab-order). Now that I look at it more closely, I see that it's not a function of how long I depress the key, as it occurs on release, so can't be the sticky keys. Now I find myself in the situation where HTML in mail does this, but it never happens in Konqueror itself... -- derek From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Mon Dec 11 21:20:25 2006 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:20:25 -0800 Subject: [solved] Re: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <200612102230.08789.claydoh@claydoh.com> <457D6735.9060008@arial-concept.com> <200612120804.54137.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <457D8626.3040507@arial-concept.com> Message-ID: <87bqmaqgdi.fsf@fjellstad.org> Sam Przyswa writes: > I succeed to install mplayer and mozilla-mplayer by hand, I got the .deb > on "packages.ubuntu.com" that's work fine but I don't know why these > packages are not in universe or multiverse repository !? > > Thanks a lot for your help, and sorry for the signal to noise ratio of > some of my posts. They are in the multiverse repositories: liem at minerva:~$ apt-cache policy mplayer mozilla-mplayer mplayer: Installed: 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 Candidate: 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 Version table: *** 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status mozilla-mplayer: Installed: 3.31-1 Candidate: 3.31-1 Version table: *** 3.31-1 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From samp at arial-concept.com Mon Dec 11 23:38:55 2006 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:38:55 +0100 Subject: Firefox and Mplayer plugin on 6.10 In-Reply-To: <87slfm2wig.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <457C43FA.70705@arial-concept.com> <87slfm2wig.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <457DEC0F.8090001@arial-concept.com> John L Fjellstad a écrit : > Sam Przyswa writes: > > >> Hi, >> >> How to get the Mplayer plugin (mozilla-mplayer) in Firefox on Kubuntu 6.10 ? >> >> I tried the repository: >> >> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main (and stable) >> >> But I got dependency errors. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> > > First off, you are better off using an Ubuntu repository rather than a > Debian repository. debian-multimedia.org is a debian repository. > Second, what are the dependency problems? You need to post them. > Third, both the mplayer and mozilla-mplayer are in the multiverse > repository. Check out the ubuntu wiki for how to enable them. > Fourth, to really see and hear 'windows media', you are probably going > to need non-free codecs. Search for 'penguin liberation front' and > 'Ubuntu restricted formats'. > I have in my sources.list the universe and multiverse enabled, and after the "www.debian-multimedia.org" repository disabled there is no more dependency problem and now the apt-cache policy return: root at arial-2:/home/samp # apt-cache policy mplayer mozilla-mplayer mplayer: Installé : 1.0cvs Candidat : 1.0cvs Table de version : *** 1.0cvs 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status mozilla-mplayer: Installé : 3.31-1 Candidat : 3.31-1 Table de version : *** 3.31-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Thanks. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 07:55:36 2006 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:55:36 +0200 Subject: Kmail links opening in Kate Message-ID: <880dece00612112355h419b53bam7a5938e4fd01563f@mail.gmail.com> Ever since upgrading to Kubuntu 6.10, every time I hit the Print Screen button Ksnapshot comes up and annoys me. My "real keyboard" borke and I'm typing on a POS keyboard that always has me hitting Print Screen when I want delete. How do I prevent Ksnapshot from popping up? I've looked at the keyboard shortcuts in Kcontrol, and it's not listed there. I don't see where ksnapshot has any of it's own options. I removed the Print Screen key from the keyboard, but on the rare occasion that I actually need it (for a screenshot via CTRL-PrintScreen) I cannot remove it. So I tryed removing Ksnapshot, but apt wants to remove other stuff, like Tidy, KDEpim, KcolourEdit, etc when I do: dotancohen at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get remove ksnapshot Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: knetwalk kpat kde-amusements kdepim ksokoban kolf blinken libconvert-binhex-perl krec korn kppp libattr1-dev kshisen kmoon kmahjongg klaptopdaemon ksig kdelibs4-dev ksim kwifimanager kcharselect kjumpingcube kdeartwork-style knewsticker-scripts kdeartwork-misc kcoloredit artsbuilder kdessh kanagram ktip libaspell-dev libpth20 libtunepimp-bin kmrml katomic libcvsservice0 kleopatra kdemultimedia-dev kdegames-card-data kruler ktux klettres libnss3 libaudio-dev kgoldrunner kbackgammon kpoker dirmngr kdepim-kfile-plugins libkiten1 ksnapshot kpackage kenolaba kblackbox kdebase comerr-dev atlantikdesigner konsolekalendar libpcre3-dev klatin kfloppy kstars ttf-dustin ksame kbruch kpager liblualib50-dev libkdegames1 kde-core kcalc libpisock9 keduca libxmu-headers kandy libfinance-quote-perl kdeedu-data kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data mesa-common-dev kdeartwork-theme-icon kweather kmplot kalzium ksirc librss1 klinkstatus klickety libkrb5-dev qt3-dev-tools kpovmodeler libsasl2-dev ksayit libogg-dev libjasper-1.701-dev kmouth kalarm noatun-plugins kubuntu-desktop kworldclock mpeglib kalzium-data kdewebdev kdegames kicker-applets amor kdict libpcrecpp0 ktouch ktnef khexedit kdeaccessibility kedit foomatic-db-hpijs kbounce kvoctrain kdetoys kimagemapeditor atlantik liblua50-dev tidy libtidy-0.99-0 kwordquiz lua50 libavahi-qt3-dev kview libdb4.3++c2 ktron ttf-sjfonts libacl1-dev libglu1-mesa-dev ksync cvs kdenetwork libtiff-tools kttsd libqt3-mt-dev kdeartwork-emoticons dcoprss ksysv hspell kwin4 kdewallpapers libio-stringy-perl kuser libxslt1-dev libhtml-tableextract-perl klettres-data libssl-dev kdeaddons kreversi libxt-dev kde kdf libksba8 libxmu-dev kspaceduel kig gnupg-agent juk noatun klines fifteenapplet kdemultimedia kfaxview kstars-data edict lskat bogofilter libarts1-mpeglib kaddressbook-plugins kgamma kviewshell kfilereplace libtiff4-dev kommander networkstatus libnspr4 kdeutils kdegraphics kaboodle khangman libindex0 libmime-perl libqt3-headers kanjidic libasound2-dev kdeartwork-theme-window libtiffxx0c2 libgl1-mesa-dev ksmiletris libkadm55 libarts1-audiofile kxsldbg quanta kbattleship kiconedit kdeadmin kpilot kasteroids kfouleggs libmyspell3c2 libmal1 libkdeedu3 libkgantt0 knewsticker ksnake kdelibs kiten libxml2-utils kappfinder eyesapplet libartsc0-dev libopenexr-dev kdat kdeedu kdelirc kpercentage superkaramba kjots libmng-dev kfax secpolicy ksirtet kmines kdvi kget pinentry-qt kdesdk-scripts libcupsys2-dev kgpg libvorbis-dev konquest kate-plugins libboost-python1.33.1 kolourpaint gpgsm gnupg2 kdeaddons-kfile-plugins gettext-kde libarts1-xine libidn11-dev kdepim-wizards libbz2-dev ktuberling kturtle ktimer quanta-data kmid kteatime kverbos libarts1-dev libnews-nntpclient-perl kdeartwork kodo Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: kde kdegraphics ksnapshot kubuntu-desktop 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 590kB disk space will be freed. So, how do I tell KDE not to pop Ksnapshot in my face? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/question/how_can_i_be_safe_online.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/spyware.html From peter.boholdt at bluebottle.com Tue Dec 12 08:34:17 2006 From: peter.boholdt at bluebottle.com (Peter Boholdt) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:34:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice Message-ID: Hi, I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP. I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with KOffice? Thanks. /Peter From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 08:49:40 2006 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:49:40 +0200 Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457E6D24.4010209@gmail.com> Peter Boholdt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP. > > I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with KOffice? > > Thanks. > > /Peter > Peter, Kubuntu comes with OpenOffice preinstalled so no problmems whatsoever. Now you can choose to use Koffice instead of course - and the question fo fileformats then someone else has to reply to. Sinclair From kaj at haulrich.net Tue Dec 12 08:51:20 2006 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:51:20 +0100 Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612120951.20832.kaj@haulrich.net> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 09:34, Peter Boholdt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP. > > I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact > with KOffice? I don't know, but why not just continue with Open Office on linux ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From jferrando at netplc.com Tue Dec 12 08:57:52 2006 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:57:52 +0100 Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457E6F10.4040907@netplc.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henrigira at numericable.fr Tue Dec 12 09:51:07 2006 From: henrigira at numericable.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:51:07 +0100 Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <457E6F10.4040907@netplc.com> References: <457E6F10.4040907@netplc.com> Message-ID: <457E7B8B.5000203@numericable.fr> Word 2007 is not good in ooo (even not with other words) and as long as you use older versions you shouldn't have too much trouble... Tough you will have to learn another way of working as writer is a bit different from word... and other apps too... I got read of xp in june when dapper came out... And I don't regret it !!! The only backward is when i have to use xp i have too many problems and i don't know how i could stand these all these years !! lol good look Henri Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > My experience is that koffice is still not ready for serious work with > complex openoffice documents. Maybe 1 year more. You can still use > openoffice on Kubuntu. > The version of openoffice that comes with etch has serious problems > with stability and font rendering. I have ended up uinstalling the > packaged version, downloading openoffice 2.04 from www.openoffice.org, > copying old freetype libraries from dapper and starting openoffice with: > LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.8 openoffice.org-2.0 > -writer %U > > Regards, Jordi. > > Peter Boholdt escribió: >> Hi, >> >> I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP. >> >> I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with KOffice? >> >> Thanks. >> >> /Peter >> >> > From Herve at lucidia.net Tue Dec 12 11:07:25 2006 From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:07:25 -0200 Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4413284c0612120307q50efe1d6wd89a2cc5a6dc789b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, Peter Boholdt wrote: > I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP. I think it a wise thing to do ;-) > I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with KOffice? Not so well in my experience. Numbering seems to get messed up in the way. I personally stick to OpenOffice for now, which is the default in Kubuntu anyway. > Thanks. You are very welcome! > /Peter Hervé. From oozypal at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 11:31:58 2006 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:31:58 +0300 Subject: A working mobile phone with KMobileTools Message-ID: <299ffe0d0612120331i19d6ddc8kb7f2b5906415fc0@mail.gmail.com> I have posted this question in Ubuntu list but I did not get a satisfying answer. Anyone in Kubutu list can help? I am getting sick using WinXP for syncing my appointments and contacts. I want to buy a new mobile so I can use it with Kmobiletools and Ubuntu. Does anyone having a luck with any mobile and Kmobiletools. I don't want much. All what I need is to sync my contact and appointments. It will be nice if it also works with Bluetooth for syncing. Please post your mobile model if it works with Kmobile tools. Thank you -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From stranger1121 at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 12:21:31 2006 From: stranger1121 at gmail.com (stranger1121) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:21:31 +0100 Subject: A working mobile phone with KMobileTools In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0612120331i19d6ddc8kb7f2b5906415fc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0612120331i19d6ddc8kb7f2b5906415fc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My Nokia E60(and all Symbian phones) working with Evolution via bluetooth.How-to is on Ubuntu forum. On 12/12/06, OOzy Pal wrote: > I have posted this question in Ubuntu list but I did not get a > satisfying answer. Anyone in Kubutu list can help? > > I am getting sick using WinXP for syncing my appointments and > contacts. I want to buy a new mobile so I can use it with Kmobiletools > and Ubuntu. > > Does anyone having a luck with any mobile and Kmobiletools. I don't > want much. All what I need is to sync my contact and appointments. It > will be nice if it also works with Bluetooth for syncing. > > Please post your mobile model if it works with Kmobile tools. > > Thank you > > -- > OOzy > Kubuntu-Edgy > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From nalon at terra.com.br Tue Dec 12 13:43:47 2006 From: nalon at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Alexandre_Nalon?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:43:47 -0200 Subject: Umounting of USB devices Message-ID: <200612121143.47250.nalon@terra.com.br> Greetings, I recently updated KDE to 3.5.5 using automatix2. I got the USB mounting problem, but using the tips from another thread earlier this month, I got it working again. But it's not working as it used to. Actually, mounting the device (an iPod, a pendrive or a camera, that's what I use) is no problem. I get the dialog asking what to do, the device is mounted and I can copy files to and from without any problems. It won't umount, though. I click on the icon, select "Safely Remove", and it just stays there. I can even continue to transfer files. My pendrive is a Kingston DataTraveler -- it used to blink a light when flushing the files. It is not happening anymore. The icon on the desktop (and on the Panel) will only disappear if I physically remove the device from the USB port. Before the update, I had no problems. Any thoughts on what I can do to get it working the same way it used to? Thanks in advance. -- José Alexandre Nalon nalon at terra.com.br From Neckenrode at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 14:19:21 2006 From: Neckenrode at gmail.com (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:19:21 -0500 Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <457E6F10.4040907@netplc.com> References: <457E6F10.4040907@netplc.com> Message-ID: <200612120919.22115.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 03:57, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > My experience is that koffice is still not > ready for serious work with complex openoffice documents. Maybe 1 year > more. You can still use openoffice on Kubuntu. i have been using Koffice for my University papers, including Maths. I am able to insert formulas into the paper in order to complete some pretty complex homework problems, as well as inserting spreadsheets. I work with these directly in the paper I am writing. I do find that after I have constructed a paper that is nearly ten pages long with about thirty formula instances and several spreadsheet instances performance issues become prevalent. I save the file, quit Koffice and then open Koffice and the file again and I am able to work again in a reasonable matter. Finally, I print the result directly to PDF as my university only uses standards from proprietary commercial sources. > The version of openoffice that comes with etch has serious problems > with stability and font rendering. I have ended up uinstalling the > packaged version, downloading openoffice 2.04 from www.openoffice.org > copying old freetype libraries from dapper and starting openoffice > with: /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.8 openoffice.org-2.0-writer > I don't use OpenOffice, takes too long to open, does not have a good formula editor, is difficult for me to insert images, spreadsheets, database records, etc. and is slow on my computer. > Regards, Jordi. > > Peter Boholdt escribió: >
> 
Hi,
>
> I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP.
>
> I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with
> KOffice?
Koffice uses ODF as its default file, it was the first Office Suite to adopt 
this format as default, so there is little to no problem in this regard.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Peter
>



From claydoh at claydoh.com  Tue Dec 12 14:34:39 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Charles Weber)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:34:39 -0500
Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612120934.53018.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 3:34 am, Peter Boholdt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP.
>
> I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with
> KOffice?
>
> Thanks.
>
> /Peter
If you use Koffice 1.6.1, threr is very good ODF support. I use OOo at work 
and home for basic word processing and some spreadsheet work. All my text 
docs open and are properly formatted when opened in Kword, and my small 
number of spreadsheets open and work the same in Kspread. One of my sheets 
has some conditional formatting that even works the same between the 2 
applications. MS Office conversions are sometimes iffy in OOo, and I have yet 
to open any complex MS Office docs in Koffice.

OOo may be more "professional' but Koffice is  still very nice. My wife 
prefers it over OOo (and MS office) because it has a simpler cleaner 
interface. try both and pick what you like :)
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 12 14:55:04 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:55:04 -0200
Subject: A working mobile phone with KMobileTools
In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0612120331i19d6ddc8kb7f2b5906415fc0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <299ffe0d0612120331i19d6ddc8kb7f2b5906415fc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612120655m4253b0abife87fb0bcfbd178c@mail.gmail.com>

It seems there site is very clear: avoid Nokia! Go for Motorola oe
Sony Ericsson. See:
http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/211

Hervé.

On 12/12/06, OOzy Pal  wrote:
> I have posted this question in Ubuntu list but I did not get a
> satisfying answer. Anyone in Kubutu list can help?
>
> I am getting sick using WinXP for syncing my appointments and
> contacts. I want to buy a new mobile so I can use it with Kmobiletools
> and Ubuntu.
>
> Does anyone having a luck with any mobile and Kmobiletools. I don't
> want much. All what I need is to sync my contact and appointments. It
> will be nice if it also works with Bluetooth for syncing.
>
> Please post your mobile model if it works with Kmobile tools.
>
> Thank you
>
> --
> OOzy
> Kubuntu-Edgy
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

From joantur at cancullet.org  Tue Dec 12 15:06:15 2006
From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:06:15 +0100
Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612121606.17896.joantur@cancullet.org>

Es Dimarts, 12 de Desembre de 2006 09:34, en Peter Boholdt va escriure:
| Hi,
|
| I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP.
|
| I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with
| KOffice?
OOo file formats are standard Oasis Opendocument, and so is Koffice (at least 
1.6.1), so you can use your Opendocument files with any of them (I've opened 
a text created with OpenOffice using Koffice 1.6.1 with no problems...  ;) 

-- 
Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain
    Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org
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From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 12 15:22:13 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:22:13 -0500
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
Message-ID: <200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Monday 11 December 2006 1:29 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:

> I wouldn't _flame_ you for running as root - but it's not the right way to
> do it :-)
>
> What's the device name of your burner?

You weren't talking to me, but I'll answer.  It's /dev/sg0, and it's 666 
root:cdrom, and I'm in the cdrom group.

Any insight?

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 

Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/



From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 12 17:21:31 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:21:31 -0200
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: <200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612120921u50753c47qe8f6506d3040d54c@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't there a /dev/scd* device as well? What are its permissions?

Hervé.

On 12/12/06, D. Michael McIntyre  wrote:
> On Monday 11 December 2006 1:29 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't _flame_ you for running as root - but it's not the right way to
> > do it :-)
> >
> > What's the device name of your burner?
>
> You weren't talking to me, but I'll answer.  It's /dev/sg0, and it's 666
> root:cdrom, and I'm in the cdrom group.
>
> Any insight?
>
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre
>
> Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
> See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

From lists at ptfd.org  Tue Dec 12 19:29:42 2006
From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:29:42 -0500
Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <200612121606.17896.joantur@cancullet.org>
References: 
	<200612121606.17896.joantur@cancullet.org>
Message-ID: <200612121429.42669.lists@ptfd.org>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 10:06, Joan Tur wrote:
> Es Dimarts, 12 de Desembre de 2006 09:34, en Peter Boholdt va escriure:
> | Hi,
> |
> | I'm considering switching to Kubuntu from Windows XP.

Do this immediatly!!


> | I'm using OpenOffice on XP. How does OO's file formats interact with
> | KOffice?

I have and do use both. I like koffice because it is light, opens quick etc... 
Really since 1.6.1 it is a good suite. For me it is a little more difficult 
to understand, but if I took the time i'm sure it would be great.  I have one 
spreadsheet created in Office, that I use in OOo, it is for time cards works 
well, but for instance when I open and save it with Kspread it fills all 
blank cells woith zeros even though it is in ods format. Never figured it 
out.

The most of my work is done in OOo, 2.0.4 and have and do play around with 2.1 
development sometimes. I have found no stability issues, infact it recovers 
documents better than Ms ever has for me.

Mike



From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec 12 21:02:55 2006
From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:02:55 -0500
Subject: FTP has stopped working?
Message-ID: <200612121602.56461.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com>

My Kubuntu Dapper Drake box is no longer a good web development platform.

For unknown reasons, FTP no longer works.  I can use Konqueror, open the 
storage space for my home page, and drag-n-drop files to my web space.  They 
start, and then the transfer speed drops by half until the connection stalls.
The same results occur with KBear, Kasablanca, etc.

It tells me that 100% of a file is transferred then stalls until another 
dialog appears with "Transfer failed" or words to that affect.

Only a few days ago, FTP worked perfectly and I was able to transfer an entire 
website of 20-30 files.  Would anything have changed in Dapper in the past 
week or two that might cause these problems?  Otherwise, I may have to invest 
in a new wireless router.

Thanks, Bob
-- 
"Your butt is mine."
		-- Michael Jackson, Bad



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Tue Dec 12 21:27:15 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:27:15 -0500
Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <200612121429.42669.lists@ptfd.org>
References: 
	<200612121606.17896.joantur@cancullet.org>
	<200612121429.42669.lists@ptfd.org>
Message-ID: <200612121627.35464.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:29, Michael W. Holdeman wrote:
> The most of my work is done in OOo, 2.0.4 and have and do play around with
> 2.1 development sometimes. I have found no stability issues

So the Kubuntu default 2.0.4 co-exists with 2.1 (released today)?

Did you install it in /opt or /usr/local?
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
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Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 12 22:12:52 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:12:52 -0500
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612120921u50753c47qe8f6506d3040d54c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<4413284c0612120921u50753c47qe8f6506d3040d54c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612121712.52450.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 12:21 pm, Hervé Fache wrote:
> Isn't there a /dev/scd* device as well? What are its permissions?

 666 brw-rw-rw-    1 root     cdrom     11,   0 Oct 31 22:06 /dev/scd0
 666 crw-rw-rw-    1 root     cdrom     21,   0 Oct 31 22:06 /dev/sg0

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 

Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 12 22:41:47 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:47 -0500
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: <200612121712.52450.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<4413284c0612120921u50753c47qe8f6506d3040d54c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612121712.52450.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612121741.47839.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 5:12 pm, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

>  666 brw-rw-rw-    1 root     cdrom     11,   0 Oct 31 22:06 /dev/scd0
>  666 crw-rw-rw-    1 root     cdrom     21,   0 Oct 31 22:06 /dev/sg0

And to note:

This is /dev/s*0

I've been up for 41 days.  Hence the old dates on devices created at boot 
time.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 

Author of Rosegarden Companion http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
See my new music stand unfolding at http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 12 22:47:21 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:47:21 -0500
Subject: FTP has stopped working?
In-Reply-To: <200612121602.56461.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com>
References: <200612121602.56461.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200612121747.22049.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 4:02 pm, Robert Tilley wrote:

> entire website of 20-30 files.  Would anything have changed in Dapper in
> the past week or two that might cause these problems?  Otherwise, I may
> have to invest in a new wireless router.

I haven't been looking with an eye toward this possibility, but all the 
updates I half remember in the last couple of weeks seemed pretty unambiguous 
and harmless, or I wouldn't have blithely installed them without 
investigating what was changing why.

I suspect trouble somewhere else.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Wed Dec 13 23:52:07 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:52:07 -0300
Subject: Strange behaviour
Message-ID: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On a freshly installed 6.06 Kubuntu:

When I start a graphical app from the konsole, I get the following error 
messages in the console before the prog starts:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
  Major opcode:  144
  Minor opcode:  3
  Resource id:  0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
  Major opcode:  144
  Minor opcode:  3
  Resource id:  0x0
Failed to open device

I had a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf where I was surprised to fid the following, 
given I have a bog-standard keyboard and (serial) mouse, but nothing like 
those:

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver "wacom"
  Identifier "stylus"
  option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to 
  option "Type" "stylus"
  option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
  # /dev/input/event
  # for USB
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver "wacom"
  Identifier "eraser"
  option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to 
  option "Type" "eraser"
  option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
  # /dev/input/event
  # for USB
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver "wacom"
  Identifier "cursor"
  option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to 
  option "Type" "cursor"
  option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
  # /dev/input/event
  # for USB
EndSection

Would these devices be the cause of the error messages I am getting ?

Can I remove those entries, or is there a risk of finding myself without X11 ?

TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                             Of all the animals,
                      the boy is the most unmanageable.
                                               -- Plato
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --




From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Wed Dec 13 23:52:44 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:52:44 -0300
Subject: Strange file names
Message-ID: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

After upgrading to Kubuntu, I find some file names (mainly those of German 
traditional tunes on mp3) with characters that do not disply properly.

Any simple cure ?
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                 O Lord, grant that we may always be right, 
               for Thou knowest we will never change our minds.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca  Wed Dec 13 14:09:03 2006
From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:09:03 -0600
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org[0612!13.065609.vp]>
References: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org[0612!13.065609.vp]>
Message-ID: <20061213140257.M18515@littlefish.ca>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:52:07 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote
> On a freshly installed 6.06 Kubuntu:
> 
> When I start a graphical app from the konsole, I get the following 
> error messages in the console before the prog starts:
> 
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
>   Major opcode:  144
>   Minor opcode:  3
>   Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
>   Major opcode:  144
>   Minor opcode:  3
>   Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
> 
> I had a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf where I was surprised to fid the 
> following, given I have a bog-standard keyboard and (serial) mouse,
>  but nothing like those:
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Driver "wacom"
>   Identifier "stylus"
>   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to 
>   option "Type" "stylus"
>   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
>   # /dev/input/event
>   # for USB
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Driver "wacom"
>   Identifier "eraser"
>   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to 
>   option "Type" "eraser"
>   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
>   # /dev/input/event
>   # for USB
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Driver "wacom"
>   Identifier "cursor"
>   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to 
>   option "Type" "cursor"
>   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
>   # /dev/input/event
>   # for USB
> EndSection
> 
> Would these devices be the cause of the error messages I am getting ?
> 
> Can I remove those entries, or is there a risk of finding myself 
> without X11 ?

The curse of the wacom.  Interesting choice of kubuntu to default this into
the Xconfig, I'm sure the world must just be full of wacom tablet users
flocking to Kubuntu...

You can safely remove these "InputDevice" entries.  When you do, also look for
the section "ServerLayout" and remove the respective 'stylus', 'cursor' and
'eraser' from there as well.


Scott

-- 
Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org
Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near!
(http://www.littlefish.ca)




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 13 15:29:33 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:29:33 -0500
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20061213140257.M18515@littlefish.ca>
References: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org[0612!13.065609.vp]>
	<20061213140257.M18515@littlefish.ca>
Message-ID: <200612131029.34006.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 9:09 am, Scott Mazur wrote:

> The curse of the wacom.  Interesting choice of kubuntu to default this into
> the Xconfig, I'm sure the world must just be full of wacom tablet users
> flocking to Kubuntu...

It should probably be an install time detection thing.  I do actually run one 
box where this was an unexpected boon, and it's the only time I ever saw a 
Wacom tablet work out of the box.  However, the stupid X11 errors are very 
irritating for everyone else, and have probably eaten up billions of bits of 
internet bandwidth with people repeating the same searches endlessly trying 
to figure out what they're all about.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 13 15:33:46 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:33:46 -0500
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612131033.46721.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 6:52 pm, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> After upgrading to Kubuntu, I find some file names (mainly those of German
> traditional tunes on mp3) with characters that do not disply properly.
>
> Any simple cure ?

Your filenames are probably in some ISO encoding, and now you're looking at 
them in UTF-8.  I had the same problem, but since I only had one file with a 
foreign character in it, I just took the easy way out and changed the 
filename.

I think you want to run convmv to fix this.  I didn't bother with it myself, 
so have no first-hand knowledge.

You could also convert your locale back to one of the old non-UTF-8 ones.  I 
elected not to go that route, because it seems UTF-8 is the inevitable pull 
of the future.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From angasule at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 16:00:11 2006
From: angasule at gmail.com (Matias D'Ambrosio)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:00:11 -0300
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <200612131033.46721.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612131033.46721.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <20fe1d130612130800i3fbf769ek97f66453f1295fb9@mail.gmail.com>

 I used convmv for this same issue, and it worked great. Keep in mind
that convmv's default is to *not* do anything, it just reads the
current filenames and tells you what it *would* do, until you
specifically give it the switch to do the conversion. So it's rather
safe to try it a few times and see what the output would be.



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 16:55:54 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:55:54 -0600
Subject: Firefox Lockups
In-Reply-To: <457CF1F8.2090101@gmail.com>
References: 
	<200612101310.35624.gismo@iol.ie> <457CF1F8.2090101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612131055.54916.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Sunday 10 December 2006 11:51 pm, Priyadarsan Roy wrote:
>  Steve wrote:
> On Sun 10 December 2006 12:53, Alain Muls wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have similar problems using either FF v.1.5.0.7 or FF v2.0.
> I removed all themes, all extensions and all plugins but the random
> locking up persisted. I posted 3 times for that problem on this
> list, but in vain. I now use konqueror for browsing and have since
> had no problems. It is a pitty since I really liked FF, but it was
> not usable anymore.
>
> Sorry that I cannot help
>
> --
>
> mvg/Alain
>
>
> Yep I had the same problems I have gone back to 1.5.0.8 as 2 just kept
> locking up all the time.
> steve
>
>
>  I too had the problem, but the culprit was an add on.

Which Add-on?  Was it any of the few I listed in my OP?

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From mariof2000 at videotron.ca  Wed Dec 13 17:25:15 2006
From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:25:15 -0500
Subject: iptables port fowarding rules help ..
Message-ID: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca>

Hi .. I  will trie to explain my problem as clearly as as i can
..english in not my native language so..

there it goes

i have just installed ubuntu server 6.06 LTS and iptables as a firewall
router and dhcp server . that use "dnsmasq" and it  works fine for DHCP
& NAT except for "Ip forwarding part"
i would like to port forward an application   like " anypc " to a
windows xp host on  my private network

anypc ..needs tcp  port 5479  for connection & 4379 for file transfering

eth0=internal IP ..LAN on the router 192.168.123.105
eth1=external IP "modem" xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
192.168.123.107= XP host that runs "anypc"

here 's my script

#!/bin/sh

start() {


/sbin/ifup eth1
iptables -F
iptables -X

#
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT

#NAT & MANGLE tables
iptables -t nat -F
iptables -t nat -X
iptables -t nat -P PREROUTING ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -P OUTPUT ACCEPT

iptables -t mangle -F
iptables -t mangle -X
iptables -t mangle -P PREROUTING ACCEPT
iptables -t mangle -P OUTPUT ACCEPT


#Accepting local connections
iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT


#####port forwarding rules ##########################################

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
5279 \
--sport 5279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:5279
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
4279 \
--sport 4279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:4279
iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth1  -o eth0 -d 192.168.123.107 --dport
5279 --sport 5279 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth1 -o eth0  -d 192.168.123.107 --dport
4279 --sport 4279 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT

iptables -A FORWARD -o eth1 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j
ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

###########################################################################
# activation of forwarding in the kernel

echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.123.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE

}

stop() {
        echo 0 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
        ifdown eth1
}

case "$1" in
start)
        start
        ;;

stop)
        stop
        ;;
restart)
        stop && start
        ;;
*)
        echo "Usage $0 {start|stop|restart}"
        exit 1
esac

exit 0
########################################

i don't get anny error when I run /etc/init.d/iptables restart  on the
router part

I am testing this connection  with a kubuntu station that runs VMWARE "
win2000-pro-image"
"anypc" works fine when I run the internal address 192.168.123.107...but
when I try to connect throuh
the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx address "anypc" complains  about the host not
running the services.. and ask to install
the "anypc software" on the host..xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

i am not a Pro at IPTABLES  but is there anything obviously wrong with
this script ??

or i am i wrong all the way ???

thanks for help

mario













From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Dec 13 17:50:30 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:50:30 -0200
Subject: iptables port fowarding rules help ..
In-Reply-To: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca>
References: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612130950m6546ffe4w22330bf4879ace44@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/06, Mario Frechette  wrote:
> i am not a Pro at IPTABLES  but is there anything obviously wrong with
> this script ??

If you're not a pro at iptables, where does this script come from?
It's far too complicated to me!

I would only have 8 rules:
- accept port #1 from wan
- forward port #1 from wan to machine on lan
- accept port #2 from wan
- forward port #2 from wan to machine on lan
- masquerade from lan to wan
- block unwanted input from wan
- block unwanted forward from wan

The last three rules are available at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuWirelessRouter

Hervé.

From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 17:53:04 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:53:04 -0600
Subject: OOo 2.1
Message-ID: <200612131153.04726.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

Considering all the "unstable" messages around 2.0.4 I was just wondering if 
there was going to be a port of 2.1 back to Edgy and Dapper?

it would really be nice I think.

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From lists at ptfd.org  Wed Dec 13 18:11:23 2006
From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:11:23 -0500
Subject: KOffice and OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <200612121627.35464.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: 
	<200612121429.42669.lists@ptfd.org>
	<200612121627.35464.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200612131311.24062.lists@ptfd.org>

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 16:27, Art Alexion wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:29, Michael W. Holdeman wrote:
> > The most of my work is done in OOo, 2.0.4 and have and do play around
> > with 2.1 development sometimes. I have found no stability issues
>
> So the Kubuntu default 2.0.4 co-exists with 2.1 (released today)?
>
> Did you install it in /opt or /usr/local?
I doubt they would co-exist when the .deb's are released and in teh repo's it 
will probably be an upgrade. I didn't see the release, I just got them from 
openoffice.org and installed them, primarily to provide some dual screen 
support for presentations at church (song lyrics on teh big screen)

I installed into /usr/local, but if it now released I will probably remove 
when it is in repos, and then install from there the released version.

Mike



From mariof2000 at videotron.ca  Wed Dec 13 18:21:11 2006
From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:21:11 -0500
Subject: iptables port fowarding rules help ..
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612130950m6546ffe4w22330bf4879ace44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca>
	<4413284c0612130950m6546ffe4w22330bf4879ace44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45804497.4070402@videotron.ca>

Hervé Fache a écrit :
> On 12/13/06, Mario Frechette  wrote:
>   
>> i am not a Pro at IPTABLES  but is there anything obviously wrong with
>> this script ??
>>     
>
> If you're not a pro at iptables, where does this script come from?
> It's far too complicated to me!
>
> I would only have 8 rules:
> - accept port #1 from wan
> - forward port #1 from wan to machine on lan
> - accept port #2 from wan
> - forward port #2 from wan to machine on lan
> - masquerade from lan to wan
> - block unwanted input from wan
> - block unwanted forward from wan
>
> The last three rules are available at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuWirelessRouter
>
> Hervé.
>   
sorry forgot to tell it comes from the net ..
and i'am only trying to learn this stuff ..

i have put the hole script in case something in misconfigured in there

and as i said only the port forwarding part won't work
DHCP&NAT and MASQUARADE is ok
as i understood the first part ..should block anything by default
then.. how to port forward   ??

this was part of the script i found ...and yes i have RTFM and google a
 lot but still can't understand how to do it !

wich rules can i use in your link to replace this one ??

thanks

mario

#####port forwarding rules ##########################################

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
5279 \
--sport 5279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:5279
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
4279 \
--sport 4279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:4279
iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth1  -o eth0 -d 192.168.123.107 --dport
5279 --sport 5279 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth1 -o eth0  -d 192.168.123.107 --dport
4279 --sport 4279 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT

iptables -A FORWARD -o eth1 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j
ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

###########################################################################
# activation of forwarding in the kernel

echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.123.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE








From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 13 21:14:03 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:14:03 -0500
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200612131153.04726.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612131153.04726.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612131614.04299.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:53, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> Considering all the "unstable" messages around 2.0.4 I was just wondering
> if there was going to be a port of 2.1 back to Edgy and Dapper?
>
> it would really be nice I think.

Michael Holdeman successfully installed in /usr/local

I doubt it will make it to Dapper of Edgy as the versions are locked.  It may 
make it to a backport repo.

-- 

_____________________________________________________________
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 13 21:17:55 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:17:55 -0500
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612131617.56278.art.alexion@verizon.net>

I have identical problems on a 6.06 dapper system upgraded from breezy.

Mine is a bit different

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
  Major opcode:  146
  Minor opcode:  3
  Resource id:  0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
  Major opcode:  146
  Minor opcode:  3
  Resource id:  0x0
Failed to open device


On Wednesday 13 December 2006 18:52, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> On a freshly installed 6.06 Kubuntu:
>
> When I start a graphical app from the konsole, I get the following error
> messages in the console before the prog starts:
>
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
>   Major opcode:  144
>   Minor opcode:  3
>   Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
>   Major opcode:  144
>   Minor opcode:  3
>   Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
>
> I had a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf where I was surprised to fid the
> following, given I have a bog-standard keyboard and (serial) mouse, but
> nothing like those:
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Driver "wacom"
>   Identifier "stylus"
>   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
>   option "Type" "stylus"
>   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
>   # /dev/input/event
>   # for USB
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Driver "wacom"
>   Identifier "eraser"
>   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
>   option "Type" "eraser"
>   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
>   # /dev/input/event
>   # for USB
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Driver "wacom"
>   Identifier "cursor"
>   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
>   option "Type" "cursor"
>   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
>   # /dev/input/event
>   # for USB
> EndSection
>
> Would these devices be the cause of the error messages I am getting ?
>
> Can I remove those entries, or is there a risk of finding myself without
> X11 ?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ron.
> --
>                              Of all the animals,
>                       the boy is the most unmanageable.
>                                                -- Plato
>
>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --

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From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 22:10:00 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:10:00 -0600
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200612131614.04299.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <200612131153.04726.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<200612131614.04299.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200612131610.00337.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 3:14 pm, Art Alexion wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:53, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> > Considering all the "unstable" messages around 2.0.4 I was just wondering
> > if there was going to be a port of 2.1 back to Edgy and Dapper?
> >
> > it would really be nice I think.
>
> Michael Holdeman successfully installed in /usr/local
>
> I doubt it will make it to Dapper of Edgy as the versions are locked.  It
> may make it to a backport repo.

I would hope that they would at least do a backport of it, especially to edgy.  
I don't know why it would be frozen, its supposed to be "edgy" :-).

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 09:56:37 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:56:37 -0300
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr>
	<200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au>
Message-ID: <200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Thursday 07 December 2006 21:11, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from James Gray  who wrote:

>  However, on a single-user system
> where the only user is also the administrator, I agree - sudo is pretty
> pointless

And on a singlr usr system where the user is not the admin it is worse than 
senseless, it is useless. 
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                      Put no trust in cryptic comments.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Wed Dec 13 23:49:32 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:49:32 -0700
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au>
	<200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612131649.32927.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 02:56, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> On Thursday 07 December 2006 21:11, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>
>  from James Gray  who wrote:
> >  However, on a single-user system
> > where the only user is also the administrator, I agree - sudo is pretty
> > pointless
>
> And on a singlr usr system where the user is not the admin it is worse than
> senseless, it is useless.
We at least ought to have the option of screwing up out root directories
What is this Windows?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
> --
>                       Put no trust in cryptic comments.
>
>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From labradley at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 14 00:00:41 2006
From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:00:41 -0600
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
Message-ID: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com>

How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening 
"Locate - search for local files" window which contains:

Home Folder
Storage Media
Network Folders
Trash
Applications
About Kubuntu


Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to 
allow me to browse to /.

Larry

-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Linux



From labradley at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 14 00:37:21 2006
From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:37:21 -0600
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
In-Reply-To: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com>
References: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <45809CC1.7070304@mindspring.com>

Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the 
root heirachy.

Larry


Larry Alkoff wrote:
> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening 
> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
> 
> Home Folder
> Storage Media
> Network Folders
> Trash
> Applications
> About Kubuntu
> 
> 
> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to 
> allow me to browse to /.
> 
> Larry
> 


-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Linux



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 00:47:45 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:47:45 -0300
Subject: Rescanning new hardware
Message-ID: <200612132147.45844.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

Following a storm (6" of rain in half an hour) I have just changed my 
motherboard.

Now, how do I get Kubuntu to rescan the hardware and configure module to 
suit ? 
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                      Blessed is he who expects nothing,
                     for he shall never be disappointed.
                                       -- Alexander Pope
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Thu Dec 14 01:12:47 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:12:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rescanning new hardware
In-Reply-To: <200612132147.45844.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <178352.70897.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati"
 wrote:

> Following a storm (6" of rain in half an hour) I
> have just changed my 
> motherboard.
> 
> Now, how do I get Kubuntu to rescan the hardware and
> configure module to 
> suit ? 
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Ron.
> --
>                       Blessed is he who expects
>
I recently had a computer die and put the HD in a mew
machine, Although there are probably numerous ways tto
do this I used dpkg to install the configure-debian
package. then without ever even TRYING the GUI I used
"sudo configure-debian" to completely reconfigure
ubuntu on the new system.

although it DID leave behind configurations for a non
existant nic etc, that needed to be deleted It DID let
me configure KDE Gnome new nics graphics card etc etc
quite easily from a menu driven program.

You MIGHT have to get the configure-debian package
from another computer of course as you need this to
configure things. I dont know if it is on any of the
distro CDs. I already had it on aonther computer in
the apt archives.

Bryann


 
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From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Thu Dec 14 02:07:20 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:07:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200612131614.04299.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Art Alexion  wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:53, Howard Coles
> Jr. wrote:
> > Considering all the "unstable" messages around
> 2.0.4 I was just wondering
> > if there was going to be a port of 2.1 back to
> Edgy and Dapper?
> >
> > it would really be nice I think.
> 
> Michael Holdeman successfully installed in
> /usr/local
> 
> I doubt it will make it to Dapper of Edgy as the
> versions are locked.  It may 
> make it to a backport repo.
> 
> -- 
> 
businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
"LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
really want to keep the Business users that have moved
over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
Office suite somewhat current,

It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
answered by references to upgrading to a six month 
version. Without the 3year/five year version we would
have migrated to Novell here. We and I'm sure others
put Dapper in with idea to keep it at least two years,
Testing and updating every six monts is too much. Like
many businesses we need to carry over some  windows
apps. Basic installation of what we need per machine
would be 200 USD for Red Hat 60 for the latest Novell
assuming Xen would work as needed,100 if we still
needed Crossover. and 40 USD for Ubuntu plus
Crossover. Even adding more paid support for Ubuntu
comes out the winner for a small business.  But this
won't work if backports aren't kept up of the LTS
versions.



Bryann


 
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From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Thu Dec 14 01:19:20 2006
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:19:20 +0100
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
References: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <87fybj1dgn.fsf@fjellstad.org>

Larry Alkoff  writes:

> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening 
> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
>
> Home Folder
> Storage Media
> Network Folders
> Trash
> Applications
> About Kubuntu
>
>
> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to 
> allow me to browse to /.

View->Show Hidden Files

or see here
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Thu Dec 14 02:30:48 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:30:48 -0500
Subject: Rescanning new hardware
In-Reply-To: <200612132147.45844.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612132147.45844.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612132130.48209.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 7:47 pm, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> Following a storm (6" of rain in half an hour) I have just changed my
> motherboard.
>
> Now, how do I get Kubuntu to rescan the hardware and configure module to
> suit ?

Debian's and the kernel's boot time hardware detection stuff has taken my hard 
drive through four generations of computers without any hassle, other than 
X11.  I expect everything should just work, and if you didn't change video 
cards, or video chipsets, then X should work too.

To reconfigure X, I think you should be fine with

	dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

though I haven't had to do this on Kubuntu yet.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Thu Dec 14 03:15:43 2006
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:15:43 +0100
Subject: iptables port fowarding rules help ..
References: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <87hcvzkw0w.fsf@fjellstad.org>

Mario Frechette  writes:

> i don't get anny error when I run /etc/init.d/iptables restart  on the
> router part
>
> I am testing this connection  with a kubuntu station that runs VMWARE "
> win2000-pro-image"
> "anypc" works fine when I run the internal address 192.168.123.107...but
> when I try to connect throuh
> the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx address "anypc" complains  about the host not
> running the services.. and ask to install
> the "anypc software" on the host..xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
>
> i am not a Pro at IPTABLES  but is there anything obviously wrong with
> this script ??
>
> or i am i wrong all the way ???

Off hand I can' see anything wrong, so I'm guessing it's a rule
problem. As in, you haven't opened the right port or forwarded the right
package.

In this instance, I would just create a logging rule, so you can see
what the package actually look like.
Do something like
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 5279 -j LOG

(or even remove the dport if you want to log everything).

That way you can actually see if the package that comes in actually come
from somewhere with source port 5279

Basically, your rule 
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
5279 \
--sport 5279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:5279

says a tcp package coming in on interface eth1 with destination
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and destination port 5279 AND with source port 5279 gets
sent to 192.168.123.107 on port 5279

I'm thinking this rule is too specific (does it really come from port
5279?) 

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 04:09:11 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:09:11 -0600
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612132209.11513.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 8:07 pm, Bry Melvin wrote:
> --- Art Alexion  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:53, Howard Coles
> >
> > Jr. wrote:
> > > Considering all the "unstable" messages around
> >
> > 2.0.4 I was just wondering
> >
> > > if there was going to be a port of 2.1 back to
> >
> > Edgy and Dapper?
> >
> > > it would really be nice I think.
> >
> > Michael Holdeman successfully installed in
> > /usr/local
> >
> > I doubt it will make it to Dapper of Edgy as the
> > versions are locked.  It may
> > make it to a backport repo.
> >
> > --
>
> businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
> any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
> "LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
> for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
> really want to keep the Business users that have moved
> over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
> Office suite somewhat current,
>
> It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
> answered by references to upgrading to a six month
> version. Without the 3year/five year version we would
> have migrated to Novell here. We and I'm sure others
> put Dapper in with idea to keep it at least two years,
> Testing and updating every six monts is too much. Like
> many businesses we need to carry over some  windows
> apps. Basic installation of what we need per machine
> would be 200 USD for Red Hat 60 for the latest Novell
> assuming Xen would work as needed,100 if we still
> needed Crossover. and 40 USD for Ubuntu plus
> Crossover. Even adding more paid support for Ubuntu
> comes out the winner for a small business.  But this
> won't work if backports aren't kept up of the LTS
> versions.

In a way I see your point, however, businesses usually don't want to upgrade 
versions of office suites any more often than they want to upgrade the OS.  
The only reason they may want 2.1 would be if it fixes bugs they're fighting, 
has a filter they need, etc. AND it has no major interface changes that would 
require retraining.  So, I too would expect a 2.1 backport in the works to 
cover those with the kind of bugs it fixes, and other such things.  I would 
also, on a normal basis simply  expect minor bug fixes, and security patches 
to be realeased for the LTS version but no major changes.

Also with so many complaining of problems, I'd assume this would be a no 
brainer if OOo 2.1 fixes bugs.  I know I want it 'cause I'm tired of my word 
processing session just disappearing.

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From newslists at resrequest.com  Thu Dec 14 08:17:32 2006
From: newslists at resrequest.com (Richard Howes)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:17:32 +0200
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612131649.32927.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612131649.32927.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612141017.32365.newslists@resrequest.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 01:49, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> We at least ought to have the option of screwing up out root directories
> What is this Windows?

And that is the point (at least to me). I always liked the fact that on Unix I 
could 'rm -R *' from / if I wanted to, or was careless enough, and it would 
just happen.

Risky? Sure. But, call me crazy, I dont like being second guessed by a 
machine ;-D

Cheers
Richard

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From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Thu Dec 14 08:58:16 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:58:16 -0700
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612141017.32365.newslists@resrequest.com>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612131649.32927.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612141017.32365.newslists@resrequest.com>
Message-ID: <200612140158.16345.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 01:17, Richard Howes wrote:
> On Thursday 14 December 2006 01:49, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> > We at least ought to have the option of screwing up out root directories
> > What is this Windows?
>
> And that is the point (at least to me). I always liked the fact that on
> Unix I could 'rm -R *' from / if I wanted to, or was careless enough, and
> it would just happen.
You won't do it but once....call it a learning experience
>
> Risky? Sure. But, call me crazy, I dont like being second guessed by a
> machine ;-D
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 00:58:35 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:58:35 -0300
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20061213140257.M18515@littlefish.ca>
References: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org[0612!13.065609.vp]>
	<20061213140257.M18515@littlefish.ca>
Message-ID: <200612132158.35427.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 11:09, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "Scott Mazur"  who wrote:

> You can safely remove these "InputDevice" entries.  When you do, also look
> for the section "ServerLayout" and remove the respective 'stylus', 'cursor'
> and 'eraser' from there as well.

Thanks, I had missed the Server section when I had tried to remove the Wacom 
entries, and X would no longer start  ;-3(
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                      Blessed is he who expects nothing,
                     for he shall never be disappointed.
                                       -- Alexander Pope
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From newslists at resrequest.com  Thu Dec 14 09:13:25 2006
From: newslists at resrequest.com (Richard Howes)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:13:25 +0200
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612140158.16345.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612141017.32365.newslists@resrequest.com>
	<200612140158.16345.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612141113.25986.newslists@resrequest.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 10:58, Grumpy wrote:
> You won't do it but once....call it a learning experience

Haven't done that yet. Just as bad though - I have deleted all files on a 
machine starting with the letter 'r' though - you can imagine how that can 
happen ;-)

Cheers
Richard

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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Dec 14 09:17:22 2006
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:17:22 +0100
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
References: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com> <45809CC1.7070304@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: 

Larry Alkoff wrote:

> Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
> and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the
> root heirachy.
> 
> Larry

Great!
and what is the answer that you found?

Eberhard




From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 10:04:34 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:04:34 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612131617.56278.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <200612132052.08032.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612131617.56278.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140204y6c26f21aiadfe23241ad50324@mail.gmail.com>

I believe this is support for tablets or some strange input device we
do not have.
It would be nice not to receive an error every time though!

Hervé.

On 12/13/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> I have identical problems on a 6.06 dapper system upgraded from breezy.
>
> Mine is a bit different
>
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
>  Major opcode:  146
>  Minor opcode:  3
>  Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
>  Major opcode:  146
>  Minor opcode:  3
>  Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
>
>
> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 18:52, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> > On a freshly installed 6.06 Kubuntu:
> >
> > When I start a graphical app from the konsole, I get the following error
> > messages in the console before the prog starts:
> >
> > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
> >   Major opcode:  144
> >   Minor opcode:  3
> >   Resource id:  0x0
> > Failed to open device
> > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
> >   Major opcode:  144
> >   Minor opcode:  3
> >   Resource id:  0x0
> > Failed to open device
> >
> > I had a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf where I was surprised to fid the
> > following, given I have a bog-standard keyboard and (serial) mouse, but
> > nothing like those:
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Driver "wacom"
> >   Identifier "stylus"
> >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> >   option "Type" "stylus"
> >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> >   # /dev/input/event
> >   # for USB
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Driver "wacom"
> >   Identifier "eraser"
> >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> >   option "Type" "eraser"
> >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> >   # /dev/input/event
> >   # for USB
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Driver "wacom"
> >   Identifier "cursor"
> >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> >   option "Type" "cursor"
> >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> >   # /dev/input/event
> >   # for USB
> > EndSection
> >
> > Would these devices be the cause of the error messages I am getting ?
> >
> > Can I remove those entries, or is there a risk of finding myself without
> > X11 ?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ron.
> > --
> >                              Of all the animals,
> >                       the boy is the most unmanageable.
> >                                                -- Plato
> >
> >                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
> --
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Art Alexion
>
> PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
> Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
> The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for
> alarm.  Info @
> http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
> _____________________________________________________________
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>
>
>

From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 10:13:20 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:13:20 -0200
Subject: iptables port fowarding rules help ..
In-Reply-To: <87hcvzkw0w.fsf@fjellstad.org>
References: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca> <87hcvzkw0w.fsf@fjellstad.org>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140213o4f0bee5aq25d9e0f9247aad01@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, John L Fjellstad  wrote:
> Basically, your rule
> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
> 5279 \
> --sport 5279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:5279
>
> says a tcp package coming in on interface eth1 with destination
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and destination port 5279 AND with source port 5279 gets
> sent to 192.168.123.107 on port 5279
>
> I'm thinking this rule is too specific (does it really come from port
> 5279?)

And I did not see (but I looked very quickly) whether you had a rule
to allow input of the port, like:
iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 --dport 5279
I remember doing port forwarding and needing both the  INPUT and
FORWARD rules for it to work (but I have been wrong before ;-).

HTH
Hervé.

From diiar at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 14 11:44:42 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:44:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140204y6c26f21aiadfe23241ad50324@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I also have the same errors as Art Alexion. However, when I deleted the entires of "wacom", I didn't have this error message BUT kubuntu couldn't find my data files in fat32 partitition anymore.  So I just leave the errors as before. Can anyone explain what the "wacom" driver for?

Cheers,
Diiar

Hervé Fache  wrote: I believe this is support for tablets or some strange input device we
do not have.
It would be nice not to receive an error every time though!

Hervé.

On 12/13/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> I have identical problems on a 6.06 dapper system upgraded from breezy.
>
> Mine is a bit different
>
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
>  Major opcode:  146
>  Minor opcode:  3
>  Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
>  Major opcode:  146
>  Minor opcode:  3
>  Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
>
>
> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 18:52, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> > On a freshly installed 6.06 Kubuntu:
> >
> > When I start a graphical app from the konsole, I get the following error
> > messages in the console before the prog starts:
> >
> > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
> >   Major opcode:  144
> >   Minor opcode:  3
> >   Resource id:  0x0
> > Failed to open device
> > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
> >   Major opcode:  144
> >   Minor opcode:  3
> >   Resource id:  0x0
> > Failed to open device
> >
> > I had a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf where I was surprised to fid the
> > following, given I have a bog-standard keyboard and (serial) mouse, but
> > nothing like those:
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Driver "wacom"
> >   Identifier "stylus"
> >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> >   option "Type" "stylus"
> >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> >   # /dev/input/event
> >   # for USB
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Driver "wacom"
> >   Identifier "eraser"
> >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> >   option "Type" "eraser"
> >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> >   # /dev/input/event
> >   # for USB
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Driver "wacom"
> >   Identifier "cursor"
> >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> >   option "Type" "cursor"
> >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> >   # /dev/input/event
> >   # for USB
> > EndSection
> >
> > Would these devices be the cause of the error messages I am getting ?
> >
> > Can I remove those entries, or is there a risk of finding myself without
> > X11 ?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ron.
> > --
> >                              Of all the animals,
> >                       the boy is the most unmanageable.
> >                                                -- Plato
> >
> >                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
> --
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Art Alexion
>
> PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
> Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
> The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for
> alarm.  Info @
> http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
> _____________________________________________________________
>
>
> --
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>
>
>
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From jjesse at iserv.net  Thu Dec 14 12:22:11 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:22:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
In-Reply-To: <45809CC1.7070304@mindspring.com>
References: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com> <45809CC1.7070304@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <49023.198.105.65.197.1166098931.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

Larry,

Would you mind sharing the answer?
> Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
> and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the
> root heirachy.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening
>> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
>>
>> Home Folder
>> Storage Media
>> Network Folders
>> Trash
>> Applications
>> About Kubuntu
>>
>>
>> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to
>> allow me to browse to /.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
>
> --
> Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
> Using Thunderbird on Linux
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>


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From jjesse at iserv.net  Thu Dec 14 12:22:21 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:22:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
Message-ID: <49273.198.105.65.197.1166098941.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

Larry,

Would you mind sharing the answer?
> Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
> and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the
> root heirachy.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening
>> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
>>
>> Home Folder
>> Storage Media
>> Network Folders
>> Trash
>> Applications
>> About Kubuntu
>>
>>
>> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to
>> allow me to browse to /.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
>
> --
> Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
> Using Thunderbird on Linux
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>


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From jjesse at iserv.net  Thu Dec 14 12:22:22 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:22:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
Message-ID: <49541.198.105.65.197.1166098942.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

Larry,

Would you mind sharing the answer?
> Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
> and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the
> root heirachy.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening
>> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
>>
>> Home Folder
>> Storage Media
>> Network Folders
>> Trash
>> Applications
>> About Kubuntu
>>
>>
>> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to
>> allow me to browse to /.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
>
> --
> Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
> Using Thunderbird on Linux
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>


-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 13 13:17:35 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:35 -0400
Subject: k3b permissions error
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: 

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On Monday 11 December 2006 1:29 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>> I wouldn't _flame_ you for running as root - but it's not the right way
>> to do it :-)
>>
>> What's the device name of your burner?
> 
> You weren't talking to me, but I'll answer.  It's /dev/sg0, and it's 666
> root:cdrom, and I'm in the cdrom group.
> 
> Any insight?

Are you sure it's always sg0?  Mine comes up sometimes as sg0 and sometimes
as sg1.  By default the udev rule makes sg0 owned by cdrom but not any
other sg* devices.  I thought I had a working rule that established which
sg device was associated with /dev/scd0 (which is also the cdrom), but
trying to do backups last night I found it had lost the group ownership
again.

When k3b says it can't open the device, click on the "Show debugging output"
button - it's usually pretty obvious there what the problem is. 
-- 
derek




From art.alexion at verizon.net  Thu Dec 14 14:05:54 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:05:54 -0500
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200612131610.00337.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612131153.04726.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<200612131614.04299.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<200612131610.00337.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612140905.55507.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 17:10, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
>  don't know why it would be frozen, its supposed to be "edgy" :-).

If the upgrade cycle holds, six months from now, Edgy will be Elderly.
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
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From Neckenrode at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 14:03:32 2006
From: Neckenrode at gmail.com (Nathan Eckenrode)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:03:32 -0500
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 06:44, nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:
> Hi,
> I also have the same errors as Art Alexion. However, when I deleted the
> entires of "wacom", I didn't have this error message BUT kubuntu couldn't
> find my data files in fat32 partitition anymore.  So I just leave the
> errors as before. Can anyone explain what the "wacom" driver for?
The wacom drivers are to incorporate using a pen stylus and tablet as an input 
device which the best and most popular are made by a company called Wacom. 
They are very helpful for a natural freehand drawing action rather than using 
a mouse which is clumsy and awkward when it comes to artistic drawing.
>
> Cheers,
> Diiar
>
> Hervé Fache  wrote: I believe this is support for
> tablets or some strange input device we do not have.
> It would be nice not to receive an error every time though!
>
> Hervé.
>
> On 12/13/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> > I have identical problems on a 6.06 dapper system upgraded from breezy.
> >
> > Mine is a bit different
> >
> > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
> >  Major opcode:  146
> >  Minor opcode:  3
> >  Resource id:  0x0
> > Failed to open device
> > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
> >  Major opcode:  146
> >  Minor opcode:  3
> >  Resource id:  0x0
> > Failed to open device
> >
> > On Wednesday 13 December 2006 18:52, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> > > On a freshly installed 6.06 Kubuntu:
> > >
> > > When I start a graphical app from the konsole, I get the following
> > > error messages in the console before the prog starts:
> > >
> > > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
> > >   Major opcode:  144
> > >   Minor opcode:  3
> > >   Resource id:  0x0
> > > Failed to open device
> > > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
> > >   Major opcode:  144
> > >   Minor opcode:  3
> > >   Resource id:  0x0
> > > Failed to open device
> > >
> > > I had a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf where I was surprised to fid the
> > > following, given I have a bog-standard keyboard and (serial) mouse, but
> > > nothing like those:
> > >
> > > Section "InputDevice"
> > >   Driver "wacom"
> > >   Identifier "stylus"
> > >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> > >   option "Type" "stylus"
> > >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> > >   # /dev/input/event
> > >   # for USB
> > > EndSection
> > >
> > > Section "InputDevice"
> > >   Driver "wacom"
> > >   Identifier "eraser"
> > >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> > >   option "Type" "eraser"
> > >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> > >   # /dev/input/event
> > >   # for USB
> > > EndSection
> > >
> > > Section "InputDevice"
> > >   Driver "wacom"
> > >   Identifier "cursor"
> > >   option "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
> > >   option "Type" "cursor"
> > >   option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
> > >   # /dev/input/event
> > >   # for USB
> > > EndSection
> > >
> > > Would these devices be the cause of the error messages I am getting ?
> > >
> > > Can I remove those entries, or is there a risk of finding myself
> > > without X11 ?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Ron.
> > > --
> > >                              Of all the animals,
> > >                       the boy is the most unmanageable.
> > >                                                -- Plato
> > >
> > >                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
> >
> > --
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________
> > Art Alexion
> >
> > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
> > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
> > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for
> > alarm.  Info @
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
> > _____________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --
> > kubuntu-users mailing list
> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users



From labradley at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 14 14:18:25 2006
From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:18:25 -0600
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
In-Reply-To: <49023.198.105.65.197.1166098931.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <45809429.8020601@mindspring.com> <45809CC1.7070304@mindspring.com>
	<49023.198.105.65.197.1166098931.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <45815D31.2040900@mindspring.com>

My apologies for not sharing the answer. It was a serious oversight on 
my part.  I especially apologize because I hate it when others don't.

First of all, the thread that helped me was
konqueror not displaying all folders
in October 2006.

What I gleaned was the following info that is unfortunately not clearly 
documented.

Konqueror seems to have two separate modes,
one for using it as a File Manager
and one for using it for a Web browser.

They are selected by
Settings -> View -> Load View Profile -> Load Kubuntu File Manager _or_ 
Ubuntu Web.

Select Ubuntu File Manager if not already selected.

Next use F9 to bring up a vertical menu on the left hand side.

The default selection seems to be "Home Folder", represented by an icon 
that looks like a little house.
Next to the icon column is a listing of directories and files starting 
from the user's home folder making it easy to browse anywhere in the 
users /home directory.

Near the bottom is an icon of a folder which says Root Folder" when you 
hover.  Click this and the listing of directories now starts with the 
Root Folder / and gives access to the entire system.

Larry


Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> Larry,
> 
> Would you mind sharing the answer?
>> Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
>> and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the
>> root heirachy.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening
>>> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
>>>
>>> Home Folder
>>> Storage Media
>>> Network Folders
>>> Trash
>>> Applications
>>> About Kubuntu
>>>
>>>
>>> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to
>>> a


-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Linux



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Thu Dec 14 14:29:08 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:29:08 -0500
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612140929.17335.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 21:07, Bry Melvin wrote:
> --- Art Alexion  wrote:


> > I doubt it will make it to Dapper of Edgy as the
> > versions are locked.  It may
> > make it to a backport repo.
> >
>
> businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
> any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
> "LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
> for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
> really want to keep the Business users that have moved
> over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
> Office suite somewhat current,

Agreed, but it hasn't happened before, and I have been using [K]Ubuntu since 
Warty.  Kubuntu already dumped Dapper with the AmaroK updates -- not a 
business app, but one which Kubuntu was regularly updating until Edgy was 
released.


>
> It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
> answered by references to upgrading to a six month
> version. 

My upgrade to Dapper was disastrous.  I gave up a stable Breezy install for 
one where I can't get hal to work.  But I had to do it if I wanted to upgrade 
my apps to versions with fewer bugs.


-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
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From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 14:37:49 2006
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:37:49 +0200
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458161BD.4050503@gmail.com>


> businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
> any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
> "LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
> for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
> really want to keep the Business users that have moved
> over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
> Office suite somewhat current,
> 
> It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
> answered by references to upgrading to a six month 
> version. Without the 3year/five year version we would
> have migrated to Novell here. We and I'm sure others
> put Dapper in with idea to keep it at least two years,
> Testing and updating every six monts is too much. Like
> many businesses we need to carry over some  windows
> apps. Basic installation of what we need per machine
> would be 200 USD for Red Hat 60 for the latest Novell
> assuming Xen would work as needed,100 if we still
> needed Crossover. and 40 USD for Ubuntu plus
> Crossover. Even adding more paid support for Ubuntu
> comes out the winner for a small business.  But this
> won't work if backports aren't kept up of the LTS
> versions.
I would assume that businesses want to test the offered upgrade (eg Oo 
2.1) on 1 or 2 machines and if satisified go the full way. There is 
nothing that says because there are upgrades made available, be they 
security or others (Amarok etc etc) that one has to install them.

An assumption again would be that in a business environment access to 
sudo is locked down, at least the type of business who willingly dosh 
out money for subscription to support.

I see it as very logical to offer upgrades along the way on an LTS and 
not have a completely static distribution just because it is LTS.

Am looking forward to see Oo 2.1 show up as upgrade.

Sinclair



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Thu Dec 14 15:00:04 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:00:04 -0500
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 09:03, Nathan Eckenrode wrote:
> On Thursday 14 December 2006 06:44, nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I also have the same errors as Art Alexion. However, when I deleted the
> > entires of "wacom", I didn't have this error message BUT kubuntu couldn't
> > find my data files in fat32 partitition anymore.  So I just leave the
> > errors as before. Can anyone explain what the "wacom" driver for?
>
> The wacom drivers are to incorporate using a pen stylus and tablet as an
> input device which the best and most popular are made by a company called
> Wacom. They are very helpful for a natural freehand drawing action rather
> than using a mouse which is clumsy and awkward when it comes to artistic
> drawing.

OK. But I suspect that 98% or more Kubuntu users don't use one.  (Sorry folks, 
but Kubuntu would not be my distro of choice for creating graphics.)  So why 
not comment out the driver by default to avoid errors for the overwhelming 
majority of users who don't have the tablet installed?

-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Thu Dec 14 15:04:37 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:04:37 -0500
Subject: k3b cddb lookup errors
Message-ID: <200612141004.37902.art.alexion@verizon.net>

I can't remember the last time I used k3b to copy a CD, so I don't know when 
this problem started.

k3b gives connection errors when attempting freedb.org lookups.  kscd, 
disc-cover and koverartist have no problem with lookups.  I configured k3b 
with the same settings as koverartist and ran the search on the same disc 
within minutes.  koverartist properly found the data, k3b proceeded with 
a "connection error".  Is this a new bug with k3b?  Am I doing something 
wrong?
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html
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From labradley at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 14 14:38:15 2006
From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:15 -0600
Subject: How to configure Konqueror for / ?
In-Reply-To: <49541.198.105.65.197.1166098942.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <49541.198.105.65.197.1166098942.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <458161D7.30406@mindspring.com>

I apologize for my oversight in not explaining my findings.  It's 
especially unforgivable because I hate it when others do this.

First the thread that helped me was
konqueror not displaying all folders (edgy) in October 2006.

Konqueror _seems_ to have two distinct modes as a File Browser or Web 
Browser selected in Settings -> Load View Profile -> Kubuntu File 
Manager or Kubuntu Web.

Make sure File Manager is selected.

Use F9 to bring up a side menu with a column of icons on the left and a 
column of folders to the right of that starting with Home Folder and 
including all folders in the home directory.  I think you have to do 
something else to show hidden files that start with a dot.

The Home Folder is selected with an icon on the left side that looks 
like a little house.  However, down near the bottom of the left side 
icons is one that looks like a file folder and says Root Folder.

Selecting Root Folder changes the column of folders to those in the / 
directory in a form easy to browse with the mouse.

Larry


Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> Larry,
> 
> Would you mind sharing the answer?
>> Never mind.  I found the answer in an Edgy Eft thread
>> and can now easily open Konqueror in File Manager mode and select the
>> root heirachy.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>> How I change Konqueror to _include_ the / root folder in the opening
>>> "Locate - search for local files" window which contains:
>>>
>>> Home Folder
>>> Storage Media
>>> Network Folders
>>> Trash
>>> Applications
>>> About Kubuntu
>>>
>>>
>>> Changing Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Home URL doesn't work to
>>> allow me to browse to /.
>>>
>>> Larry

-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Linux



From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 15:24:30 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:30 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> OK. But I suspect that 98% or more Kubuntu users don't use one.  (Sorry folks,
> but Kubuntu would not be my distro of choice for creating graphics.)  So why
> not comment out the driver by default to avoid errors for the overwhelming
> majority of users who don't have the tablet installed?

Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages are
invisible for most users anyway.

Tablets are useful for people with some disabilities, who could not
install them if they didn't work to start with.

Hervé.

From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Thu Dec 14 15:24:11 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:24:11 -0500
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612140158.16345.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612141017.32365.newslists@resrequest.com>
	<200612140158.16345.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612141024.11352.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 3:58 am, Grumpy wrote:

> > Unix I could 'rm -R *' from / if I wanted to, or was careless enough, and
> > it would just happen.
>
> You won't do it but once....call it a learning experience

Heh.  Takes me back to some of my earliest days.

"Hey honey!  Look at this!  I'm not root, so this attempt to obliterate all my 
files will fail!  Watch this!"

rm -rf /
permission denied
permission denied
permission denied
[...]

All fine and dandy until it iterated into /home

Oooooops.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Thu Dec 14 15:35:49 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:35:49 -0700
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612140835.49562.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 08:24, Hervé Fache wrote:
> On 12/14/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> > OK. But I suspect that 98% or more Kubuntu users don't use one.  (Sorry
> > folks, but Kubuntu would not be my distro of choice for creating
> > graphics.)  So why not comment out the driver by default to avoid errors
> > for the overwhelming majority of users who don't have the tablet
> > installed?
>
> Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages are
> invisible for most users anyway.
>
> Tablets are useful for people with some disabilities, who could not
> install them if they didn't work to start with.
Works great with inkscape
http://inkscape.sourceforge.net/
>
> Hervé.



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 15:58:35 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:58:35 -0300
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612141258.35458.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

In a root Konsole, I try to launch Konqueror.

root at ron:/home/ron# konqueror
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

How do I get the server to accept the connection ?
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                 Windows is not an answer, it is a question;
                            and the answer is NO !
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Thu Dec 14 16:27:55 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:27:55 +0000
Subject: Upgrades
Message-ID: <45817B8B.8080601@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

In Edgy I have had several occasions to upgrade files. This has gone 
well, but I am just wondering.

Do I automatically get upgrades for any and all programs on my disk? For 
example, a new version of Digikam is due soon. Will that be included as 
an upgrade for me? Or are only certain repositories included?

Thanks

Neil Winchurst



From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 16:33:00 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:33:00 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612141258.35458.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612141258.35458.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140833ncf8325fv347f2d6e46722608@mail.gmail.com>

As user: sudo konqueror

X won't accept connections unless you change the DM configuration.

Hervé.

On 12/14/06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati  wrote:
> In a root Konsole, I try to launch Konqueror.
>
> root at ron:/home/ron# konqueror
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
>
> How do I get the server to accept the connection ?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ron.
> --
>                 Windows is not an answer, it is a question;
>                            and the answer is NO !
>
>                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca  Thu Dec 14 16:40:30 2006
From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:40:30 -0600
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.092439.1s]>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.092439.1s]>
Message-ID: <20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:30 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages 
> are invisible for most users anyway.

No just a darn minute there.  I'm not sure Kubuntu really know just who
'everybody' is.  Particulary the largest percentage of users who represent the
'silent majority'.  And the not as large percentage who try it, find out it
doesn't 'Just Work' for them and move on to another distro without so much as
a whisper.

If everything 'Just Works' users wouldn't be looking for these messages in the
first place.  Finding them just creates one more wild goose to go chasing
after when something doesn't work.  There simply is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY
DISTRO TO KNOWINGLY ACCEPT ERROR MESSAGES.  That's a completely irresponsible
approach to develpment and in no way benefits the community.

If this is all Kubuntu has to offer, then I've already wasted too much time
with it.

Scott

-- 
Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org
Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near!
(http://www.littlefish.ca)




From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Dec 14 16:56:01 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:56:01 +0000
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>	<45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr>	<200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au>
	<200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <45818221.8090302@blueyonder.co.uk>

Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> On Thursday 07 December 2006 21:11, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>  from James Gray  who wrote:
>
>   
>>  However, on a single-user system
>> where the only user is also the administrator, I agree - sudo is pretty
>> pointless
>>     
>
> And on a singlr usr system where the user is not the admin it is worse than 
> senseless, it is useless. 
>   
On a single user system the user is the admin, or else there is no admin
and then no need for su either.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Ron.
> --
>                      
>
>   

Tez




From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Dec 14 17:02:04 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:02:04 +0000
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612141258.35458.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612141258.35458.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <4581838C.2040402@blueyonder.co.uk>

Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> In a root Konsole, I try to launch Konqueror.
>
> root at ron:/home/ron# konqueror
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
>
> How do I get the server to accept the connection ?
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Ron.
>
>  

As the normal use run:
xhost +LOCAL:
That will allow a local user (e.g. root) to have access to your X server.
To undo that after:
xhost -LOCAL:

Tez





From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 17:20:48 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:20:48 -0200
Subject: Root login
In-Reply-To: <45818221.8090302@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612061635.03277.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<45780E7C.8020308@numericable.fr>
	<200612081111.46822.james@gray.net.au>
	<200612140656.38017.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<45818221.8090302@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140920n4bc05ebao2f82b20969e5f11f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Tez  wrote:
> On a single user system the user is the admin, or else there is no admin
> and then no need for su either.

Still, having to enter a password before performing an administrative
task prevents a virus acting in the user's name from doing it.

Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 17:30:17 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:17 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>

Shame you snipped the second part of my reply, which justified
accepting these (hopefully temporary) error messages to allow people
with disabilities to use Kubuntu with tablets.

Ubuntu is 'for human beings', and that's what I meant by ''everybody'.
Not my cat or your dog, but my blind neighbour, your deaf parent and
that guy who lost his fingers in an accident. These people are human
beings, and if something can be done to give them access to computers,
it will be in Ubuntu.

And if that means two error messages when starting some apps from the
console in 6.10, then so be it. For your information, KDE always had a
tendency to spit loads of messages, and that was fixed in Edgy. So
yes, these guys do care and act upon these things, one at a time, with
priorities.

I hope to have given an incentive to stay with Kubuntu, and if I can
be of help, please let me know.

Hervé.

On 12/14/06, Scott Mazur  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:30 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> > Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages
> > are invisible for most users anyway.
>
> No just a darn minute there.  I'm not sure Kubuntu really know just who
> 'everybody' is.  Particulary the largest percentage of users who represent the
> 'silent majority'.  And the not as large percentage who try it, find out it
> doesn't 'Just Work' for them and move on to another distro without so much as
> a whisper.
>
> If everything 'Just Works' users wouldn't be looking for these messages in the
> first place.  Finding them just creates one more wild goose to go chasing
> after when something doesn't work.  There simply is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY
> DISTRO TO KNOWINGLY ACCEPT ERROR MESSAGES.  That's a completely irresponsible
> approach to develpment and in no way benefits the community.
>
> If this is all Kubuntu has to offer, then I've already wasted too much time
> with it.
>
> Scott
>
> --
> Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org
> Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near!
> (http://www.littlefish.ca)
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 17:42:22 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:42:22 -0200
Subject: Upgrades
In-Reply-To: <45817B8B.8080601@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <45817B8B.8080601@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612140942h5996ef51rfd27e3f1979f5216@mail.gmail.com>

You need you have the update and security repositories enabled
matching those for main. I mean, if you have main restricted, you need
update restricted and security restricted too.

As an example, here is my /etc/apt/sources.list:
deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe
# deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe

deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe
# deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main
restricted universe

deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe
# deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main
restricted universe

# deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main
restricted universe multiverse
# deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main
restricted universe multiverse

Security fixes will appear as updates, together with some bug fixes.
Do not expect new versions of packages though, unless you enable
backports too, and are very lucky!

HTH,
Hervé.

On 12/14/06, Neil Winchurst  wrote:
> In Edgy I have had several occasions to upgrade files. This has gone
> well, but I am just wondering.
>
> Do I automatically get upgrades for any and all programs on my disk? For
> example, a new version of Digikam is due soon. Will that be included as
> an upgrade for me? Or are only certain repositories included?
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil Winchurst
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca  Thu Dec 14 18:13:30 2006
From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:13:30 -0600
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.113048.Ht]>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.113048.Ht]>
Message-ID: <20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>

I snipped the second part because quite frankly it doesn't apply.  Don't get
me wrong.  I applaud Ubuntu's efforts to make it more accessible.

But using accessibility as an excuse to slop in broken configurations is
nothing more than an excuse.  An install time check for the existence of a
tablet would have been the correct way to do this.

You can quote it all you want but the 'for human beings' mantra (and a cheap
shot at that, given you don't know who's behind this keyboard) means nothing
unless Ubunutu supports OTHER alternate input devices out of the box as well.
 Not just the waco tablets so much prefered by graphic artists.

KDE's tendency to spit loads of messages is a KDE issue, not an Ubuntu distro
issue, and it doesn't deserve bandwidth on this list.  Kubuntu's  waco error
messages how ever are entirely the responsibility (or lack) of the Kubuntu 'guys'.

And no, accessibility does not justify 'two more error messages when starting
some apps'.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:17 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> Shame you snipped the second part of my reply, which justified
> accepting these (hopefully temporary) error messages to allow people
> with disabilities to use Kubuntu with tablets.
> 
> Ubuntu is 'for human beings', and that's what I meant by 
> ''everybody'. Not my cat or your dog, but my blind neighbour, your 
> deaf parent and that guy who lost his fingers in an accident. These 
> people are human beings, and if something can be done to give them 
> access to computers, it will be in Ubuntu.
> 
> And if that means two error messages when starting some apps from the
> console in 6.10, then so be it. For your information, KDE always had 
> a tendency to spit loads of messages, and that was fixed in Edgy. So 
> yes, these guys do care and act upon these things, one at a time,
>  with priorities.
> 
> I hope to have given an incentive to stay with Kubuntu, and if I can
> be of help, please let me know.
> 
> Hervé.
> 
> On 12/14/06, Scott Mazur  wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:30 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> > > Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages
> > > are invisible for most users anyway.
> >
> > No just a darn minute there.  I'm not sure Kubuntu really know just who
> > 'everybody' is.  Particulary the largest percentage of users who represent the
> > 'silent majority'.  And the not as large percentage who try it, find out it
> > doesn't 'Just Work' for them and move on to another distro without so much as
> > a whisper.
> >
> > If everything 'Just Works' users wouldn't be looking for these messages in the
> > first place.  Finding them just creates one more wild goose to go chasing
> > after when something doesn't work.  There simply is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY
> > DISTRO TO KNOWINGLY ACCEPT ERROR MESSAGES.  That's a completely irresponsible
> > approach to develpment and in no way benefits the community.
> >
> > If this is all Kubuntu has to offer, then I've already wasted too much time
> > with it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --
> > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org
> > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near!
> > (http://www.littlefish.ca)
> >
> >
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Thu Dec 14 18:19:41 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:19:41 -0500
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612141319.42637.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 12:30, Hervé Fache wrote:
> Ubuntu is 'for human beings', and that's what I meant by ''everybody'.
> Not my cat or your dog, but my blind neighbour, your deaf parent and
> that guy who lost his fingers in an accident. These people are human
> beings, and if something can be done to give them access to computers,
> it will be in Ubuntu.
>
> And if that means two error messages when starting some apps from the
> console in 6.10, then so be it.

Wouldn't the better way be to detect or configure input devices at setup, like 
the setup procedure that sets up the mouse and keyboard.  I don't care if you 
are blind, deaf or fingerless.  Somehow, you have to get the distro 
installed, and whether you do it yourself or with help, the tablet should be 
enabled -- if and only if appropriate -- during installation.  

I can think of a zillion different things that -=someone=- might need, but 
those aren't all installed by default.

This "just works for everyone" excuse is lame.  (as in lame is not installed 
by default and a lot more people need that.)
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From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 18:24:44 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:24:44 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612141024g2751e0f8la866dea097876865@mail.gmail.com>

You did it again! You snipped part of my answer, thus making me look
like I said something I didn't!

Below are your and my texts. Note how you cut the "from the console",
thus making it look like everybody was getting these error messages,
which is not the case: I don't. I use Alt-F2 instead. Others use the K
menu.

Hervé.

On 12/14/06, Scott Mazur  wrote:
> And no, accessibility does not justify 'two more error messages when starting
> some apps'.
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:17 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> > And if that means two error messages when starting some apps from the
> > console in 6.10, then so be it.

From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca  Thu Dec 14 18:33:31 2006
From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:33:31 -0600
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612141024g2751e0f8la866dea097876865@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.122451.Pt]>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141024g2751e0f8la866dea097876865@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.122451.Pt]>
Message-ID: <20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>

Snipped part of your answer??  The complete copy of your response was in that
message.  Or did you feel I 'mis-quoted' you?

Perhaps you haven't checked you .xsession-errors file recently, which is were
those error messsages that can't go to the console are going.  Just because
you can't seem them doesn't magically make them disappear.  And yes, that does
mean EVERYBODY is getting those error messages (at least those without waco
tablets).

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:24:44 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> You did it again! You snipped part of my answer, thus making me look
> like I said something I didn't!
> 
> Below are your and my texts. Note how you cut the "from the console",
> thus making it look like everybody was getting these error messages,
> which is not the case: I don't. I use Alt-F2 instead. Others use the 
> K menu.
> 
> Hervé.
> 
> On 12/14/06, Scott Mazur  wrote:
> > And no, accessibility does not justify 'two more error messages when starting
> > some apps'.
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:17 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> > > And if that means two error messages when starting some apps from the
> > > console in 6.10, then so be it.
> -- 
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users


Scott

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Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near!
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From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 18:33:36 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:33:36 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612141319.42637.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612141319.42637.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612141033m730df31bp6374a8b8f4feb4ee@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> Wouldn't the better way be to detect or configure input devices at setup, like
> the setup procedure that sets up the mouse and keyboard.  I don't care if you
> are blind, deaf or fingerless.  Somehow, you have to get the distro
> installed, and whether you do it yourself or with help, the tablet should be
> enabled -- if and only if appropriate -- during installation.
>
> I can think of a zillion different things that -=someone=- might need, but
> those aren't all installed by default.
>
> This "just works for everyone" excuse is lame.  (as in lame is not installed
> by default and a lot more people need that.)

Ideally, X should use the kernel auto-detection to add support for any
input. I don't know why these do not play well, but I think future
versions of X.org will fix exactly this, which is probably why no time
was wasted trying to fix a temporary error message (with no other
consequences than confusing some users) in Ubuntu.

Now if someone here wants to try and fix it, they are welcome.
Remember that Ubuntu is a community distro: many developers work in
their free time, for no money. While you would pay MS at least $100
for a bare OS, you just had to download Kubuntu and got loads of
applications up and running in the process.

Hervé.

From doc.evans at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 18:37:27 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:37:27 -0700
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458199E7.9010501@gmail.com>

Bry Melvin said the following at 12/13/2006 07:07 PM :

> businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
> any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
> "LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
> for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
> really want to keep the Business users that have moved
> over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
> Office suite somewhat current,
> 
> It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
> answered by references to upgrading to a six month 
> version. 

I have nothing to say except... I couldn't agree more.

I sure hope that someone at Canonical reads this reflector.








From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 14 18:24:56 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:24:56 -0400
Subject: Strange behaviour
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Hervé Fache wrote:

> Shame you snipped the second part of my reply, which justified
> accepting these (hopefully temporary) error messages to allow people
> with disabilities to use Kubuntu with tablets.
> 
> Ubuntu is 'for human beings', and that's what I meant by ''everybody'.
> Not my cat or your dog, but my blind neighbour, your deaf parent and
> that guy who lost his fingers in an accident. These people are human
> beings, and if something can be done to give them access to computers,
> it will be in Ubuntu.
> 
> And if that means two error messages when starting some apps from the
> console in 6.10, then so be it. 

Why on earth should we be confronted with error messages simply because the
system is configured to be able to use non-existent hardware.  It really
wouldn't be that difficult to fix X to automatically disable sections of
the config if those sections generated errors indicating that the hardware
isn't installed.

I've got no problem with adding this sort of thing by default (though I
really have some trouble believing that a wacom tablet is actually an
accessibility feature) but that's no excuse for having it cause errors. 
Even Windows wouldn't install support for a wacom tablet unless the wacom
tablet had (at some time) been connected.

> For your information, KDE always had a 
> tendency to spit loads of messages, and that was fixed in Edgy. 

Was _this_ fixed in edgy?  I don't think so...
-- 
derek




From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 18:40:10 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:40:10 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612141040x2d62ca8eoa2626f55b1d3b9fd@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Scott Mazur  wrote:
> Snipped part of your answer??  The complete copy of your response was in that
> message.  Or did you feel I 'mis-quoted' you?

I did :-(

> Perhaps you haven't checked you .xsession-errors file recently, which is were
> those error messsages that can't go to the console are going.  Just because
> you can't seem them doesn't magically make them disappear.  And yes, that does
> mean EVERYBODY is getting those error messages (at least those without waco
> tablets).

Indeed this is correct: the KDE debug now goes to .xsession-errors. A
fix is actually being worked on. As you said, this is a KDE problem.
And as you can see, Kubuntu devs feel it is their problem, as they
deliver a product to users and want it as perfect as possible.

Hervé.

From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca  Thu Dec 14 18:46:52 2006
From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:46:52 -0600
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612141040x2d62ca8eoa2626f55b1d3b9fd@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.124018.Yt]>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141040x2d62ca8eoa2626f55b1d3b9fd@mail.gmail.com[0612!14.124018.Yt]>
Message-ID: <20061214184253.M48039@littlefish.ca>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:40:10 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> Indeed this is correct: the KDE debug now goes to .xsession-errors. A
> fix is actually being worked on. As you said, this is a KDE problem.
> And as you can see, Kubuntu devs feel it is their problem, as they
> deliver a product to users and want it as perfect as possible.

Please tell me you didn't just imply that the Kubuntu devs are 'fixing' it so
that KDE errors will be silently ignored instead of logged as they should be
(where they should be).  Surely I've mis-understood your statements?

Scott

-- 
Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org
Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near!
(http://www.littlefish.ca)




From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 17:07:12 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:07:12 -0300
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <20fe1d130612130800i3fbf769ek97f66453f1295fb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612131033.46721.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<20fe1d130612130800i3fbf769ek97f66453f1295fb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 13:00, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "Matias D'Ambrosio"  who wrote:

>  I used convmv for this same issue, and it worked great. Keep in mind
> that convmv's default is to *not* do anything, it just reads the
> current filenames and tells you what it *would* do, until you
> specifically give it the switch to do the conversion. So it's rather
> safe to try it a few times and see what the output would be.

Got convmv, but have the problem that it need to know the original encoding 
used.

Would this be kept somewhere in my /etc/ directory ? (I keep a copy of /etc 
in /home/etc, can be a great help after upgrading or reinstalling the OS) 
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                        One should always be in love.
                  That is the reason one should never marry.
                                              -- Oscar Wilde
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --




From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 18:54:34 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:54:34 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20061214184253.M48039@littlefish.ca>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214184253.M48039@littlefish.ca>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612141054u77df69far44dfe4cd68681bcd@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Scott Mazur  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:40:10 -0200, Hervé Fache wrote
> > Indeed this is correct: the KDE debug now goes to .xsession-errors.
>
> Please tell me you didn't just imply that the Kubuntu devs are 'fixing' it so
> that KDE errors will be silently ignored instead of logged as they should be
> (where they should be).  Surely I've mis-understood your statements?

KDE errors are not silently ignored, hence this thread. Debug messages
are (as I said in my original post quoted above).

Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 14 18:58:26 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:58:26 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612141054u77df69far44dfe4cd68681bcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214184253.M48039@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141054u77df69far44dfe4cd68681bcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612141058kbf8c683i766ec145a54f26ca@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Hervé Fache  wrote:
> KDE errors are not silently ignored, hence this thread. Debug messages
> are (as I said in my original post quoted above).

...stored in a log file: .xsession-errors.
This file is ever-growing and a fix for that will be implemented in Feisty.

Sorry for the confusion, I hope that clarifies matters now.
Hervé.

From jriddell at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec 14 19:12:24 2006
From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:12:24 +0000
Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <458199E7.9010501@gmail.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<458199E7.9010501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>

On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 11:37:27AM -0700, D. R. Evans wrote:
> Bry Melvin said the following at 12/13/2006 07:07 PM :
> 
> > businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
> > any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
> > "LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
> > for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
> > really want to keep the Business users that have moved
> > over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
> > Office suite somewhat current,
> > 
> > It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
> > answered by references to upgrading to a six month 
> > version. 
> 
> I have nothing to say except... I couldn't agree more.
> 
> I sure hope that someone at Canonical reads this reflector.

The purpose of a long term supported release is to be stable, doing a
major upgrade of the largest package we have isn't compatible with
that.

But if interest exists in doing backports for dapper, you should talk
to the backports team about having that happen.

Jonathan



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 14 18:33:22 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:33:22 -0400
Subject: Strange behaviour
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Hervé Fache wrote:

> On 12/14/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
>> OK. But I suspect that 98% or more Kubuntu users don't use one.  (Sorry
>> folks,
>> but Kubuntu would not be my distro of choice for creating graphics.)  So
>> why not comment out the driver by default to avoid errors for the
>> overwhelming majority of users who don't have the tablet installed?
> 
> Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages are
> invisible for most users anyway.

No, that's not good enough.  "For everybody" should still mean that it
_works_ for those who _are_ going to see the messages.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 14 18:36:53 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:36:53 -0400
Subject: Strange behaviour
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141024g2751e0f8la866dea097876865@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57i854-6fr.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Hervé Fache wrote:

> You did it again! You snipped part of my answer, thus making me look
> like I said something I didn't!

You _did_ say that it's ok to produce two more error messages.
> 
> Below are your and my texts. Note how you cut the "from the console",
> thus making it look like everybody was getting these error messages,
> which is not the case: I don't. I use Alt-F2 instead. Others use the K
> menu.

That's just not relevant.  The errors are there.  If you insist that that's
OK, what about the overhead?  Every time it has to generate messages, it's
actually trying to enable these devices.  It's just plain sloppy.
-- 
derek




From doc.evans at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 20:10:25 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:10:25 -0700
Subject: update available or not?
In-Reply-To: <4579B741.2040904@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<256f4e900612080756x28f68c19q8810d7f26a6c1c63@mail.gmail.com>
	<4579B741.2040904@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <256f4e900612141210m4a7e0006pd6fbe1a59d7508a7@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/12/06, Tez  wrote:

> Try doing a distribution upgrade
> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

That worked. Thank you very much.

There is obviously sime fundamental difference that I don't understand
between apt and RPM-based systems. I had kept my system scrupulously
up to date by using synaptic to install every update as identified by
adept-updater.

I thought that that meant that my system was current and that "apt-get
dist-upgrade" would be a no-op. But it certainly wasn't, and my music
is now happily playing under amarok 1.4.4.



From doc.evans at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 20:26:06 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:26:06 -0700
Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<458199E7.9010501@gmail.com> <20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>

> The purpose of a long term supported release is to be stable, doing a
> major upgrade of the largest package we have isn't compatible with
> that.
>

OK, I can understand that rationale. Thank you for explaining.

(There does seem something not-quite-right in the fact that I
downloaded and installed the Windows version of OOo 2.1 yesterday
[with a five-year-old OS], but can't do the same with Kubuntu [with a
six-month-old OS]. I'd love to discover whether an annoying printing
problem that affects OOo in Kubuntu has been fixed.

> But if interest exists in doing backports for dapper, you should talk
> to the backports team about having that happen.
>

Half an hour later... OK, I give up. I can't figure out where to file
requests (or to see what's already been requested). "Use launchpad",
it says. So I've gone around and around in Launchpad trying to find
the right combination of magic incantations to get me somewhere
useful.

Does anyone know the right URL to look at requested backports for dapper?



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Thu Dec 14 20:38:01 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:38:01 -0500
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<20fe1d130612130800i3fbf769ek97f66453f1295fb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612141538.01659.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 12:07 pm, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:

> Would this be kept somewhere in my /etc/ directory ? (I keep a copy of /etc
> in /home/etc, can be a great help after upgrading or reinstalling the OS)

Good question.  So do I.

Looks like maybe /etc/environment ?  (My old /etc is from Debian though.)

That doesn't have the encoding, but it does show my old locale:

LANG=en_US

My new Kubuntu one shows:

LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
LANGUAGE="en"

So I think this may be it.  That won't tell you what ISO-XXXXX encoding you 
used to use, but you can probably extrapolate from there.

In any event, it was probably iso-8859-15 which is the newer version of 
Latin-1 that includes the € symbol.

Pure speculation, but it's a fairly good guess.  If it isn't 8859-15, it's 
probably 8859-1, and I expect the difference between these two encodings 
would not affect your outcome either way.

I'd test in a small area if possible though.  Remembering always that I am an 
American, and the symbols for French and Spanish have always worked without 
my having to investigate and learn anything in particular, so I only barely 
have any clue what I'm going on about here.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Thu Dec 14 20:41:58 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:41:58 -0500
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<20fe1d130612130800i3fbf769ek97f66453f1295fb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612141541.58975.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

Actually, another quick thought.  If you open Konsole and navigate to a point 
where you're looking at mangled filenames, you can play with Settings -> 
Encoding and piddle around until you find something that makes the characters 
appear normal again.  That's your encoding, or close enough for your 
purposes, surely.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 21:11:18 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:11:18 -0300
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612140930y5565fd00s6e94db39d83632a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612141811.18488.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 14:30, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "Hervé Fache"  who wrote:

> Shame you snipped the second part of my reply, which justified
> accepting these (hopefully temporary) error messages to allow people
> with disabilities to use Kubuntu with tablets.

I would have thought that Kubuntu could be relied on to detect tablets (and 
other hardware), and install the proper drivers only when they are needed ?
 
Or do you believe in installing drivers for inexistent hardware, just in case 
they may be of use to some users ?

And in such case, what about installing by default the driver for serial mice, 
and overwriting it with another mouse driver if a mouse of a different 
persuasion is detected ?

That could be a _lot_ more useful to the community at large than the tablet 
drivers.

Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                                   Eschew
                                circumlocutory
                                 obfuscation
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 21:12:33 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:12:33 -0300
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4581838C.2040402@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612141258.35458.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<4581838C.2040402@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612141812.34050.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 14:02, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Tez  who wrote:

> As the normal use run:
> xhost +LOCAL:
> That will allow a local user (e.g. root) to have access to your X server.
> To undo that after:
> xhost -LOCAL:

Ta, but.
 
Ron.
--
                                   Eschew
                                circumlocutory
                                 obfuscation
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 21:30:47 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:30:47 -0300
Subject: login manager problem
Message-ID: <200612141830.47163.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

Kubuntu 6.06

Been trying to change the aspect of the screen shown by the login manager, 
changing the background, welcome message, etc with the Login Manager in 
System Services.

Login screen does not take any of the changes into account.

What am I doing wrong ? 
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                    When we can't dream any longer we die.
                                           -- Emma Goldman
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Dec 14 21:33:04 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:33:04 -0300
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <200612141541.58975.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612141541.58975.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612141833.04780.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 17:41, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "D. Michael McIntyre"  who wrote:

> Actually, another quick thought.  If you open Konsole and navigate to a
> point where you're looking at mangled filenames, you can play with Settings
> -> Encoding and piddle around until you find something that makes the
> characters appear normal again.  That's your encoding, or close enough for
> your purposes, surely.

Brilliant use of lateral thinking !
 
Thanks,
 
Ron.
--
                    When we can't dream any longer we die.
                                           -- Emma Goldman
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From angasule at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 21:51:26 2006
From: angasule at gmail.com (Matias D'Ambrosio)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:51:26 -0300
Subject: Strange file names
In-Reply-To: <200612141833.04780.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612132052.44507.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612141407.12743.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612141541.58975.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612141833.04780.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <20fe1d130612141351t4a8da92fx72d0e076ec56d188@mail.gmail.com>

 Good guesses for most europeans are iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15, I believe.



From paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Dec 14 23:26:18 2006
From: paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk (paul cooke)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:26:18 +0000
Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>
	<256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612142326.20716.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 20:26, D. R. Evans wrote:
> > The purpose of a long term supported release is to be stable, doing a
> > major upgrade of the largest package we have isn't compatible with
> > that.
>
> OK, I can understand that rationale. Thank you for explaining.
>
> (There does seem something not-quite-right in the fact that I
> downloaded and installed the Windows version of OOo 2.1 yesterday
> [with a five-year-old OS], but can't do the same with Kubuntu [with a
> six-month-old OS]. I'd love to discover whether an annoying printing
> problem that affects OOo in Kubuntu has been fixed.
>

I wouldn't know, I pulled the Ubuntu version of OOo  off all my boxes and 
created my own debs for the official OOo 2.0.4 by using alien on the 
extracted rpm files out of the .tgz download package. I'm slightly miffed 
that 2.1 came out just a month after having done this, but it was good 
training, so I just buckled down and repeated the process.

> > But if interest exists in doing backports for dapper, you should talk
> > to the backports team about having that happen.
>
> Half an hour later... OK, I give up. I can't figure out where to file
> requests (or to see what's already been requested). "Use launchpad",
> it says. So I've gone around and around in Launchpad trying to find
> the right combination of magic incantations to get me somewhere
> useful.
>
> Does anyone know the right URL to look at requested backports for dapper?

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47

and 

https://launchpad.net/projects/ubp




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 15 00:17:53 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:17:53 -0400
Subject: Strange behaviour
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>
	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<20061214163019.M50352@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214173524.M32026@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
	<20061214184253.M48039@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141054u77df69far44dfe4cd68681bcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4413284c0612141058kbf8c683i766ec145a54f26ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Hervé Fache wrote:

> On 12/14/06, Hervé Fache  wrote:
>> KDE errors are not silently ignored, hence this thread. Debug messages
>> are (as I said in my original post quoted above).
> 
> ...stored in a log file: .xsession-errors.
> This file is ever-growing and a fix for that will be implemented in
> Feisty.

Actually, the fix for _that_ was implemented in Edgy.  That's just another
way to ignore the errors.
-- 
derek




From doc.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 02:04:02 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:04:02 -0700
Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200612142326.20716.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>	<256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612142326.20716.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45820292.1030009@gmail.com>


> https://launchpad.net/projects/ubp

That's the one I couldn't find. Thank you very much.






From matt.modica at comcast.net  Fri Dec 15 02:31:24 2006
From: matt.modica at comcast.net (Matt Modica)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:31:24 -0500
Subject: Random log outs when playing Armagetron
Message-ID: <200612142131.24608.matt.modica@comcast.net>

For some reason, whenever I play Armagetron Advanced (an OpenGL 3D Tron Game), 
I randomly get logged out after awhile. I don't get an error message, I just 
get taken to the log in screen. It does this every time I play. I also notice 
that if I play and then exit the game, it will log me out eventually even 
though I quit the game. Many times, the screen will turn black and it will 
show text for a split second (I can't read it unfortunatley) and then log me 
out. And one time, it froze for about 10 seconds and then logged me out.

It works fine on all my other games, including SuperTux, TuxPuck, Pinball, 
Pingus, EnemyLines3, Starfighter, Airstrike, KETM, KBall, and KQ. This seems 
very odd. I am using the XFree86 driver on a SiS card on my Acer Aspire 3000. 
I am running it on medium settings at 1024 x 768 (I can post exactly what 
they are if necessary) and am getting 30 - 45 FPS. The game itself runs fine, 
it occasionally "hiccups", but it is no big deal. Its the fact that it just 
suddenly terminates that is very annoying. 

I ran with the command 'armagetron > armagetron.log 2>&1' so it would make a 
log file, but when it logged me out and I looked at the log file, it was 
empty. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and help to resolve this, 
as it is one of my favorite games. Thanks in advance!
-- 
-Matt Modica
http://www.mattmodica.com/



From significants at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 04:32:32 2006
From: significants at gmail.com (Simon Schuster)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:32:32 -0800
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
Message-ID: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm really new to all this, so I'm unclear of how even to check if
it's possible, but for instance, I'm installing the java runtime
environment from the self-extracting .bin ... and I'm realizing how
much of this sort of thing will have to end up in my home directory,
or does sudo also take care of the write permissions? not that this is
a problem, it will just result in a really mucked up home directory
and a distant, alien and unused /usr one. :)



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 15 05:18:47 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:18:47 -0500
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
In-Reply-To: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612150018.47781.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 11:32 pm, Simon Schuster wrote:
> I'm really new to all this, so I'm unclear of how even to check if
> it's possible, but for instance, I'm installing the java runtime
> environment from the self-extracting .bin 

It's probably possible, though I didn't bother, since I'm the only user on 
this machine now that I kicked everyone else off to another server.

> ... and I'm realizing how 
> much of this sort of thing will have to end up in my home directory,
> or does sudo also take care of the write permissions? not that this is
> a problem, it will just result in a really mucked up home directory
> and a distant, alien and unused /usr one. :)

I just have Sun's Java thingie, the Real Player, and probably the Flash plugin 
installed in ~, so unless you have much greater needs for unfriendly 
pre-compiled binary nonsense than I do, you probably don't have that much to 
worry about.  (Unless you have multiple users.)

If the installer for whatever proprietary bit of nonsense is too stupid to put 
something in /usr/local then you can almost certainly get it to run from 
there after moving it yourself.  You want to make the directories and 
executable files 755 (-rwxr-xr-x), and all the data 644 (-rw-r--r--).

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From daniel at rimspace.net  Fri Dec 15 05:26:55 2006
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:26:55 +1100
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
References: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877iwtk9uo.fsf@rimspace.net>

"Simon Schuster"  writes:

> I'm really new to all this, so I'm unclear of how even to check if
> it's possible, but for instance, I'm installing the java runtime
> environment from the self-extracting .bin ... 

Note: this is not a good idea; suitable packages for the Java runtimes
exist in Ubuntu as documented here:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats

I will carry on, though, on the assumption that you were using that as a
specific example of a general question...


> and I'm realizing how much of this sort of thing will have to end up
> in my home directory, 

In my experience self-extracting packages of whatever sort follow the
traditional Unix model:

 * they assume you are the super-user to install them
 * they install into one of /usr/local or /opt
 * they generally behave relatively politely

Almost none of the self extracting stuff out there will install into
your home directory at all, and less of it by default.

The Java code /may/ be an exception.


> or does sudo also take care of the write permissions? 

Not as such, no.  What sudo does is change the user that runs the
software.

That change may, or may not, result allow it to "take care of write
permissions" -- root can write anywhere, for example.


If you were intent on installing commercial software then running the
installer as root will, typically, be necessary, and will also allow the
software to install into the global tree.

> not that this is a problem, it will just result in a really mucked up
> home directory and a distant, alien and unused /usr one. :)

Your question or comment here isn't really clear to me.  Perhaps you can
restate it in a different fashion?

Regards,
        Daniel
-- 
Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure
Phone: 0401 155 707        email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au
                 http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 15 07:11:46 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:11:46 -0500
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
In-Reply-To: <877iwtk9uo.fsf@rimspace.net>
References: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
	<877iwtk9uo.fsf@rimspace.net>
Message-ID: <200612150211.46144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 15 December 2006 12:26 am, Daniel Pittman wrote:

> Note: this is not a good idea; suitable packages for the Java runtimes
> exist in Ubuntu as documented here:

Just to note, in my defense, I still had the Sun Java thingie in ~ from when I 
was running Debian.  It was the first time I ever saw Java actually work in 
many years of Linux, so I just left it alone when I switched to Kubuntu.

I'm glad to hear there is an official Kubuntu Way(tm) to do this. 

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 15 07:17:50 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:17:50 +0000
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: 
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>	<200612140903.33230.Neckenrode@gmail.com>	<200612141000.05768.art.alexion@verizon.net>	<4413284c0612140724s75680bb0s2e4b4b0157387c89@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <45824C1E.1070803@blueyonder.co.uk>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Hervé Fache wrote:
>
>   
>> On 12/14/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
>>     
>>> OK. But I suspect that 98% or more Kubuntu users don't use one.  (Sorry
>>> folks,
>>> but Kubuntu would not be my distro of choice for creating graphics.)  So
>>> why not comment out the driver by default to avoid errors for the
>>> overwhelming majority of users who don't have the tablet installed?
>>>       
>> Because we want Kubuntu to Just Work for everybody. These messages are
>> invisible for most users anyway.
>>     
>
> No, that's not good enough.  "For everybody" should still mean that it
> _works_ for those who _are_ going to see the messages.
>   
It still works, even if you are seeing those messages. It doesn't stop
the application from working.
At most the errors are annoying and If you really want them gone, it's
not even hard to do, edit your xorg.conf.

I, for one, can deal with a minor annoyance for the sake of it helping
someone else.

Tez





From toby at tarind.com  Fri Dec 15 09:00:27 2006
From: toby at tarind.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:00:27 +0000
Subject: Automatic mounting
Message-ID: 

Im using kde 355 on dapper, and I have a problem with mounting of removeable
media.

KDE is mounting *every* connected device automatically at login, and then
leaving them mounted after logout. This causes problems for the next user:
they cant eject the CD because it is still mounted by the first user.

Is there any way to get KDE to automatically unmount everything mounted by
that user at logout? Second best, is there any way to prevent it mounting
everything at login?

Thanks in advance,




From Herve at lucidia.net  Fri Dec 15 10:36:48 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:36:48 -0200
Subject: update available or not?
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612141210m4a7e0006pd6fbe1a59d7508a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<256f4e900612080756x28f68c19q8810d7f26a6c1c63@mail.gmail.com>
	<4579B741.2040904@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<256f4e900612141210m4a7e0006pd6fbe1a59d7508a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612150236g40e20c9bte8bd65de92532614@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, D. R. Evans  wrote:
> There is obviously sime fundamental difference that I don't understand
> between apt and RPM-based systems. I had kept my system scrupulously
> up to date by using synaptic to install every update as identified by
> adept-updater.
>
> I thought that that meant that my system was current and that "apt-get
> dist-upgrade" would be a no-op. But it certainly wasn't, and my music
> is now happily playing under amarok 1.4.4.

There is something weird here: my understanding is that adept_updater
uses dist-upgrade. But you also mention synaptic...

Do you not install the updates directly from adept_updater then?
Why use Synaptic in a Kubuntu system, where the default tool is adept_manager?

Hervé.

From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 15 10:59:22 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:59:22 +0000
Subject: update available or not?
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612150236g40e20c9bte8bd65de92532614@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612050806i1b895f9cv5f8f4cbc8e5f572d@mail.gmail.com>	<4575F845.7060307@blueyonder.co.uk>	<256f4e900612080756x28f68c19q8810d7f26a6c1c63@mail.gmail.com>	<4579B741.2040904@blueyonder.co.uk>	<256f4e900612141210m4a7e0006pd6fbe1a59d7508a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4413284c0612150236g40e20c9bte8bd65de92532614@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4582800A.4090201@blueyonder.co.uk>

Hervé Fache wrote:
> On 12/14/06, D. R. Evans  wrote:
>   
>> There is obviously sime fundamental difference that I don't understand
>> between apt and RPM-based systems. I had kept my system scrupulously
>> up to date by using synaptic to install every update as identified by
>> adept-updater.
>>
>> I thought that that meant that my system was current and that "apt-get
>> dist-upgrade" would be a no-op. But it certainly wasn't, and my music
>> is now happily playing under amarok 1.4.4.
>>     
>
> There is something weird here: my understanding is that adept_updater
> uses dist-upgrade. But you also mention synaptic...
>
> Do you not install the updates directly from adept_updater then?
> Why use Synaptic in a Kubuntu system, where the default tool is adept_manager?
>
> Hervé.
>   
I don't use adept, but I know it has something called "full update", or
something to that effect, which is a dist-upgrade.
However, I find synaptic just easier and more powerful. Like viewing
changelogs before you download the update, hold packages, force versions
etc..
Synaptic also has a update-notifier, which is, IMHO, just better, at
least for me.
Plus you can install Java with synaptic without it failing.

But, as with anything else in open source, what you use is up to you.

Tez





From Herve at lucidia.net  Fri Dec 15 11:04:20 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:04:20 -0200
Subject: Latest Updates
In-Reply-To: <213251.6248.qm@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <213251.6248.qm@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612150304x68a05194r43c55a33db740e02@mail.gmail.com>

update-manager is not /yet/ the prefered way of updating a Kubuntu
system. I suggest the following instead:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade

I have seen my computers telling me my packages were not authenticated
before, and it was always due to a problem when running apt-get
update, so I suggest you run it again in a terminal, and the problem
either will go, or will appear very clearly.

Hervé.

P.S.: cross-posting to Kubuntu-users

On 12/15/06, Anthony Gardner  wrote:
> Am running Kubuntu dapper and have just gone to use update-manager to get
> the latest updates but it tells me that that they're not authenticated.
>
> A little worrying as there are linux-headers in there!!
>
> -Ants

From Herve at lucidia.net  Fri Dec 15 12:24:21 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:24:21 -0200
Subject: Latest Updates
In-Reply-To: <191339.38781.qm@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <4413284c0612150304x68a05194r43c55a33db740e02@mail.gmail.com>
	<191339.38781.qm@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612150424l538663c0vdb4f53798a44c1a3@mail.gmail.com>

There will be soon. Update-manager works for Ubuntu, should work for
Xubuntu in Feisty (there was a little issue for Edgy), and Kubuntu
should get something similar too, but I don't know what or when.

Hervé.

On 12/15/06, Anthony Gardner  wrote:
> yeah, that's another thought I had. Why isn't there just ONE update manager
> and just ONE package manager for all the *ubuntu distros.

> Hervé Fache  wrote:
> update-manager is not /yet/ the prefered way of updating a Kubuntu
> system. I suggest the following instead:
> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade

From padrongj at fq.uh.cu  Fri Dec 15 13:57:16 2006
From: padrongj at fq.uh.cu (Juan Alexander Padron)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:57:16 -0500
Subject: Almost a SciFi question...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>

Dear pals:

I've ran Kubuntu for a couple of months after a fatal experience with Debian. 
And I love it. So much that I would like to have it exactly as I have it now 
(with tons of extra packages) in my next job (in another country). Is there a 
way to make, not a backup, but an script to run after the normal installation 
that apt-get all my extra packages?

Best Regards,

Alex
-- 
L-----Q               Juan Alexander Padron Garcia
 C---T       Laboratorio de Quimica Computacional y Teorica   
  U.H     Facultad de Quimica, Universidad de la Habana  
 L---Q                    padrongj at fq.uh.cu 
C-----T              padron.alexander at gmail.com



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 15 14:24:01 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:24:01 +0000
Subject: Almost a SciFi question...
In-Reply-To: <200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
References: 
	<200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
Message-ID: <4582B001.2000706@blueyonder.co.uk>

Juan Alexander Padron wrote:
> Dear pals:
>
> I've ran Kubuntu for a couple of months after a fatal experience with Debian. 
> And I love it. So much that I would like to have it exactly as I have it now 
> (with tons of extra packages) in my next job (in another country). Is there a 
> way to make, not a backup, but an script to run after the normal installation 
> that apt-get all my extra packages?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Alex
>   
Yes, there is.
dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt

take that file with you (selections.txt), then on the new system do:
sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt
sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade

Then it will go and install all the packages you have installed now on
the new system.
If you want thinks *exactly* the same then you'd want to copy your /etc
and /home directory's to the new system too to copy all the
configuration over.

Tez





From Herve at lucidia.net  Fri Dec 15 14:33:49 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:33:49 -0200
Subject: Almost a SciFi question...
In-Reply-To: <4582B001.2000706@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: 
	<200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
	<4582B001.2000706@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612150633p309f548j86aea9be7bfa4a4e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, Tez  wrote:
> dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt
>
> take that file with you (selections.txt), then on the new system do:
> sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt
> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
>
> Then it will go and install all the packages you have installed now on
> the new system.
> If you want thinks *exactly* the same then you'd want to copy your /etc
> and /home directory's to the new system too to copy all the
> configuration over.

This is great! Is there a way to get more info, such as date of install?

Is there a selections file for the default install somewhere (so I can
know what I have installed myself using diff)?

Sorry if I'm asking too much!
Hervé.

From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 15 14:50:59 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:50:59 +0000
Subject: Almost a SciFi question...
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612150633p309f548j86aea9be7bfa4a4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: 	<200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>	<4582B001.2000706@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<4413284c0612150633p309f548j86aea9be7bfa4a4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4582B653.7040106@blueyonder.co.uk>

Hervé Fache wrote:
> On 12/15/06, Tez  wrote:
>   
>> dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt
>>
>> take that file with you (selections.txt), then on the new system do:
>> sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt
>> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
>>
>> Then it will go and install all the packages you have installed now on
>> the new system.
>> If you want thinks *exactly* the same then you'd want to copy your /etc
>> and /home directory's to the new system too to copy all the
>> configuration over.
>>     
>
> This is great! Is there a way to get more info, such as date of install?
>   
I'm not sure if you can get the exact date of install, tho it will
probably be in /var/log somewhere
> Is there a selections file for the default install somewhere (so I can
> know what I have installed myself using diff)?
>   
I think there is a list of default packages installed that you can
compare with [1]
> Sorry if I'm asking too much!
>   
nah, you not asking enough! :-p
> Hervé.
>   

Tez
(for Edgy)
[1]
http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.manifest





From lists at pavri.net  Fri Dec 15 17:03:52 2006
From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:33:52 +0530
Subject: Almost a SciFi question...
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612150633p309f548j86aea9be7bfa4a4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
	<4582B001.2000706@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<4413284c0612150633p309f548j86aea9be7bfa4a4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061215170352.GB5769@localhost>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Herv? Fache wrote:

> On 12/15/06, Tez  wrote:
> > dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt
> >
> > take that file with you (selections.txt), then on the new system do:
> > sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt
> > sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
> >
> > Then it will go and install all the packages you have installed now on
> > the new system.
> > If you want thinks *exactly* the same then you'd want to copy your /etc
> > and /home directory's to the new system too to copy all the
> > configuration over.
> 
> This is great! Is there a way to get more info, such as date of install?
> 
> Is there a selections file for the default install somewhere (so I can
> know what I have installed myself using diff)?

dpkg -l > list_of_installed_packages

should do the trick.

> 
> Sorry if I'm asking too much!

that's the only way to learn.
> Hervé.

Sharukh.
-- 
Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.  			Homoeopath, Linuxer.
  A girl's conscience doesn't really keep her from doing anything
           wrong-- it merely keeps her from enjoying it.



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Fri Dec 15 17:33:37 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:33:37 -0500
Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>
	<256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612151233.47400.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 15:26, D. R. Evans wrote:
> (There does seem something not-quite-right in the fact that I
> downloaded and installed the Windows version of OOo 2.1 yesterday
> [with a five-year-old OS], but can't do the same with Kubuntu [with a
> six-month-old OS].

Not only are we talking apples and oranges here, but that may have a bit to 
contribute to windows instability as compared to linux.  The more 
windows-like we make the guts of this OS, the more it could resemble windows 
instability.
-- 

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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Fri Dec 15 17:42:55 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:42:55 -0500
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612141040x2d62ca8eoa2626f55b1d3b9fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141040x2d62ca8eoa2626f55b1d3b9fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612151242.56474.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 13:40, Hervé Fache wrote:
> As you said, this is a KDE problem.

No its a kubuntu problem.  I wasn't getting the errors with the same version 
of KDE on Breezy
-- 

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From Herve at lucidia.net  Fri Dec 15 18:07:47 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:07:47 -0200
Subject: Strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <200612151242.56474.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <996235.96246.qm@web60712.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20061214182654.M3366@littlefish.ca>
	<4413284c0612141040x2d62ca8eoa2626f55b1d3b9fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612151242.56474.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612151007p6621e12fmdda3b9c8f92fd622@mail.gmail.com>

The post I was replying to was talking about the debug that KDE
applications output, which used to be visible on the console and is
now redirected to the file ~/.xsession-errors. This is a KDE problem.

I agree with you that the error messages that appeared in Edgy are
specific to the way Ubuntu was designed (some driver lines added to
the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file).

Hervé.

On 12/15/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> On Thursday 14 December 2006 13:40, Hervé Fache wrote:
> > As you said, this is a KDE problem.
>
> No its a kubuntu problem.  I wasn't getting the errors with the same version
> of KDE on Breezy

From art.alexion at verizon.net  Fri Dec 15 18:13:32 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:13:32 -0500
Subject: Using LiveCD [dapper]
Message-ID: <200612151313.32944.art.alexion@verizon.net>

My installation seems to have a permanently hosed hal.  It creates a lot of 
problems and I will probably have to backup some directories and reinstall 
from scratch.  A real pain since I have been customizing for my wants and 
needs since Warty.

Anyway, for a temporary workaround, I wan to use my iPod with amarok, but its 
not working very well without hal.  Hal works when I boot from the live CD.  

What is the best way to get amarok on the Live CD to use my collection?  I 
think the mySQL database is in /dev/hda2/var/lib/mysql and the collection 
itself is in /dev/hde1
-- 

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From fxfrpt at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 19:46:48 2006
From: fxfrpt at gmail.com (FX Fraipont)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:46:48 +0100
Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200612151233.47400.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<20061214191224.GW3858@muse.19inch.net>	<256f4e900612141226s2f0c758bu605490936db1b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612151233.47400.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4582FBA8.3070300@gmail.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Thursday 14 December 2006 15:26, D. R. Evans wrote:
>   
>> (There does seem something not-quite-right in the fact that I
>> downloaded and installed the Windows version of OOo 2.1 yesterday
>> [with a five-year-old OS], but can't do the same with Kubuntu [with a
>> six-month-old OS].
>>     
>
> Not only are we talking apples and oranges here, but that may have a bit to 
> contribute to windows instability as compared to linux.  The more 
> windows-like we make the guts of this OS, the more it could resemble windows 
> instability.
>   
I am a new Kubuntu user, after having used SuSe for 8 years. I did 
exactly that yesterday (install the latest OpenOffice 2.1), and it all 
went without a hitch.

I used alien to convert the rpm's to deb's and then installed with dpkg. 
OO 2.1 is now installed in /opt/openoffice.org2.1.

By the way, I've just installed firefox 2.0 and copied it to 
/opt/firefox and it does not freeze anymore when there's java or flash. 
Don't really know why by the way.

fx





From mariof2000 at videotron.ca  Fri Dec 15 20:54:49 2006
From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:54:49 -0500
Subject: iptables port fowarding rules help ..RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612140213o4f0bee5aq25d9e0f9247aad01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4580377B.1080501@videotron.ca> <87hcvzkw0w.fsf@fjellstad.org>
	<4413284c0612140213o4f0bee5aq25d9e0f9247aad01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45830B99.40205@videotron.ca>

Hi list
I finaly resolved this ..port forwarding stuff .the  forwarding rule i 
had was assuming a source port ..and it was wrong and my personnal rule 
was keeping me from connecting to local PC with the anypc software

thanks to every one who helped me  get back one the  track

here is the hole iptable script to   NAT &PORT FORWARD (dnsmasq in 
already installed)

Mario Fréchette

#!/bin/sh
#
# Basic firewall & sharing connection + example of port forwarding
#
#inspired from Mjules_at_ifrance.com
#I did my best to translate correctly

start() {
# suppose  internet  interface is eth1

/sbin/ifup eth1


#empty all chains
iptables -F
#destruction of personnal rules
iptables -X

#default policies
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT

#init of tables NAT & MANGLE (optional i dont have any MANGLE rules 
..but it does't bother here)
iptables -t nat -F
iptables -t nat -X
iptables -t nat -P PREROUTING ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -P OUTPUT ACCEPT



iptables -t mangle -F
iptables -t mangle -X
iptables -t mangle -P PREROUTING ACCEPT
iptables -t mangle -P OUTPUT ACCEPT


# Accept local connection (between LAN process )
iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT

##########Example of port forwarding..here anyplace remote softw. 
forward to a local XP machine.###############
################ anyplace#####################################

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 5279 -j DNAT --to 
192.168.123.107:5279
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 4279 -j DNAT --to 
192.168.123.107:4279

iptables -A FORWARD -d 192.168.123.107 -p tcp --dport 5279 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -d 192.168.123.107 -p tcp --dport 4279 -j ACCEPT

########################end 
anyplace###############################################################

#here a personnal rule
iptables -N MAregle

#this rule accept new connection that does not ! come from the internet 
interface and accept all ESTABLISHED &
#RELATED connections


iptables -A MAregle -m state --state NEW -i! eth1 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A MAregle -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

#applies this personnal rule to connection sharing
iptables -A INPUT -j MAregle
iptables -A FORWARD -j MAregle

#forwarding activation in the kernel (without this nothing works )

echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
#NAT activation to get through the internet ...a must too

iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.123.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE

########this last part is bash script to restart the internet interface 
if needed #################################
}

stop() {
        echo 0 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
        ifdown eth1
}

case "$1" in
 start)
        start
        ;;

stop)
        stop
        ;;
restart)
        stop && start
        ;;
*)
        echo "Usage $0 {start|stop|restart}"
        exit 1
esac

exit 0



Hervé Fache a écrit :
> On 12/14/06, John L Fjellstad  wrote:
>   
>> Basically, your rule
>> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport
>> 5279 \
>> --sport 5279 -j DNAT --to 192.168.123.107:5279
>>
>> says a tcp package coming in on interface eth1 with destination
>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and destination port 5279 AND with source port 5279 gets
>> sent to 192.168.123.107 on port 5279
>>
>> I'm thinking this rule is too specific (does it really come from port
>> 5279?)
>>     
>
> And I did not see (but I looked very quickly) whether you had a rule
> to allow input of the port, like:
> iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 --dport 5279
> I remember doing port forwarding and needing both the  INPUT and
> FORWARD rules for it to work (but I have been wrong before ;-).
>
> HTH
> Hervé.
>   





From ed.lau at mail.ee  Fri Dec 15 21:28:30 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:28:30 +0200
Subject: how to reinstall KDE in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS?
Message-ID: <4583137E.3030906@mail.ee>

Hello!

My problem is, that KDE 3.5.5 is installed onto Kubuntu 6.06 LTS. But as 
mr. Riddell says, KDE 3.5.5 is not meant for Kubuntu 6.06 even here is 
tutorial for that - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
This is very strange, that this webpage suggests to install KDE 3.5.5 
into Kubuntu 6.06 LTS if it causes so much problems... It causes also a 
lot of problems to me - I installed several Kubuntu 6.06 LTS machines 
with KDE 3.5.5 and now people have a lot of problems e.g. printing from 
QT-based applications... So the following problem is in multiple 
machines and therefore quite critical.

I'm confused about the question - how to install KDE 3.5.4 if KDE 3.5.5 
is already installed in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS ???

I found note, that if you want to install KDE into Ubuntu, then just type:

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop


So:

* I changed kde-stable to the kde-354  in /etc/apt/sources.list

* sudo apt-get update

* sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall

It reinstalled me version 0.86 again

Result - nothing :(  Still I have KDE 3.5.5, which have several errors. 
The biggest problem - it does not do shut down - very often system just 
hangs... Also CUPS does not work on QT-based programs and USB memory 
sticks does not mount in Konqueror but pmount /dev/sda1 works at command 
line.

Well, mr. Riddell explained me those things and now is perhaps 
possibility to fix them.

Actually I did not receive any update to HAL as mr. Riddell promised. I 
still have the mount problem in Konqueror. Hopefully KDE 3.5.4 will fix 
those problems...

I checked about kubuntu-desktop:

sudo apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop


It shows me a lot of packages in which it depends:
acpi, acpi-support, acpid, adept, akregator, amarok, anacron, apmd, ark, 
arts, bc, bicyclerepair, bluez-cups, bluez-pcmcia-support, bluez-utils, 
bogofilter, brltty, cdparanoia, cdrdao, cdrecord, cupsys, cupsys-bsd, 
cupsys-client, cupsys-driver-gutenprint, dbus, dc, diveintopython, 
doc-base, doc-debian, dvd+rw-tools, example-content, foo2zjs, 
foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint, 
foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, foomatic-filters-ppds, fortune-mod, 
gs-esp, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, gwenview, hal, hotkey-setup, hplip, 
hplip-ppds, irssi, k3b, kaddressbook, kaffeine-xine, kamera, karm, 
katapult, kate, kaudiocreator, kcontrol, kcron, kde-guidance, 
kde-systemsettings, kdeadmin-kfile-plugins, kdebase-kio-plugins, 
kdebluetooth, kdegraphics-kfile-plugins, kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins, 
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kdenetwork-filesharing, 
kdenetwork-kfile-plugins, kdepasswd, kdepim-kio-plugins, kdepim-wizards, 
kdeprint, kdesktop, kdm, kdnssd, keep, kfind, kghostview, khelpcenter, 
kicker, kio-apt, kio-locate, klaptopdaemon, klipper, kmail, kmailcvt, 
kmenuedit, kmilo, kmix, kmplayer-konq-plugins, knetworkconf, knotes, 
konq-plugins, konqueror, konqueror-nsplugins, konsole, kontact, 
konversation, kooka, kopete, korganizer, kpdf, kpf, kppp, krdc, krfb, 
krita, kscd, kscreensaver, ksmserver, ksnapshot, ksplash, 
ksplash-engine-moodin, ksvg, ksysguard, ksystemlog, ktorrent, 
kubuntu-artwork-usplash, kubuntu-default-settings, kubuntu-docs, 
kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, kwalletmanager, kwin, landscape-client, 
language-selector-qt, lftp, libarts1-akode, libgl1-mesa, libglut3, 
libnss-mdns, libpam-foreground, libsasl2-modules, libstdc++5, libxp6, 
min12xxw, mkisofs, openoffice.org, openoffice.org-kde, pmount, pnm2ppa, 
powermanagement-interface, powernowd, python-adns, python-apt, 
python-cddb, python-clientcookie, python-crypto, python-egenix-mxproxy, 
python-egenix-mxstack, python-egenix-mxtexttools, python-egenix-mxtools, 
python-epydoc, python-eunuchs, python-examples, python-gadfly, 
python-gd, python-gdbm, python-genetic, python-geoip, 
python-gnupginterface, python-htmlgen, python-htmltmpl, python-id3lib, 
python-imaging, python-imaging-sane, python-jabber, python-kjbuckets, 
python-ldap, python-mysqldb, python-netcdf, python-newt, python-numeric, 
python-pam, python-parted, python-pexpect, python-pgsql, python-pisock, 
python-pqueue, python-pyao, python-pylibacl, python-pyopenssl, 
python-pyorbit, python-pyvorbis, python-pyxattr, python-reportlab, 
python-simpletal, python-soappy, python-sqlite, python-stats, 
python-syck, python-unit, python-xdg, python-xmpp, python2.4-dbus, 
python2.4-dictclient, python2.4-librdf, python2.4-libxml2, 
python2.4-libxslt1, python2.4-pycurl, qca-tls, readahead, scim-qtimm, 
screen, skim, slocate, smbclient, speedcrunch, ttf-arabeyes, 
ttf-arphic-uming, ttf-baekmuk, ttf-bitstream-vera, ttf-dejavu, 
ttf-freefont, ttf-gentium, ttf-indic-fonts, ttf-kochi-gothic, 
ttf-kochi-mincho, ttf-lao, ttf-malayalam-fonts, ttf-mgopen, 
ttf-thai-tlwg, unzip, usplash, vorbis-tools, wlassistant, wvdial, 
x-ttcidfont-conf, x-window-system-core, xcursor-themes, 
xkeyboard-config, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, xterm, zip


Shall I reinstall all of them? I mean, shall I write:

sudo apt-get install 
{all_the_package_mentioned_above_separated_by_spaces} --reinstall

This is my main question.

Thank you in advance for answers,
Edmund Laugasson



From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com  Fri Dec 15 21:50:17 2006
From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:50:17 +0000
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
In-Reply-To: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Simon Schuster wrote:
> I'm really new to all this, so I'm unclear of how even to check if
> it's possible, but for instance, I'm installing the java runtime
> environment from the self-extracting .bin ... and I'm realizing how
> much of this sort of thing will have to end up in my home directory,
> or does sudo also take care of the write permissions? not that this is
> a problem, it will just result in a really mucked up home directory
> and a distant, alien and unused /usr one. :)
> 

I recently did  similar thing, but later discovered the java stuff is 
in the ubuntu repositories anyway. However iirc the bin worked ok, and 
I enquired of more experienced mortals where I should have installed 
it....

Convention seems to suggest that I should have used something like
/opt/bin   which I told the java install bin to use. Not sure if I had 
to create the directory first though.

Use of sudo will be likely to arrange a system wide install for all 
allowed users since it is being installed by root user (sudo) privileges.

If you only install into your home area, then it is cluttered etc and 
if only with user privileges (?) then its actions are limited.

I am not any expert though, as those who are will be able to tell.  :-)

btw if you can use the ubuntu repos and not an independent binary, 
them (security) updates wlill be very much easier, if not automatic. 
Also a ubuntu repos will be likely safer in general. from malware, 
which can be in principle  be installed by unsuspecting users. Malware 
is relevant in linux - *if* you install it!

-- 
ac




From thcsp at online.no  Fri Dec 15 22:48:22 2006
From: thcsp at online.no (Thomas Sperre)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:48:22 +0100
Subject: How to fix a broken account?
Message-ID: <200612152348.22620.thcsp@online.no>

One of my accounts has been badly bruised some time in the past month. 

The problems I have experienced include:
- at login, something configures my machine with an xrandr -s 1 which is just 
one of my dual displays. This only happens on this single account, but it 
also seems to make Twinview rather erratic when i counter it by giving the 
command xrandr -s 0.
- system settings menyu: i am not able to edit screen set-up
- my katapult stopped working :( it no longer responds to input
- my at shutdown, my applications crash with a sigsegv error message. Almost 
all of them, almost all the time.
- screensaver sometimes starts, other times not, sometimes lock, other times 
not, and sometimes it just seems to freeze the entire system (never actually 
been able to log in and see what is going on, but I ecpect the screen saver 
somehow makes my CPU go to 100%).

I checked that my memory is not corrupted, that is not what creates the 
SIGSEGV error messages when I log out. 

I also created another user, and voila, problems are not there. I think what I 
have to do is somehow restore the troubled account using default values or 
values from the new user account that did not have any trouble.

However, how do I do that?



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 16 00:19:48 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:19:48 -0500
Subject: How to fix a broken account?
In-Reply-To: <200612152348.22620.thcsp@online.no>
References: <200612152348.22620.thcsp@online.no>
Message-ID: <200612151919.48864.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 15 December 2006 5:48 pm, Thomas Sperre wrote:

> I also created another user, and voila, problems are not there. I think
> what I have to do is somehow restore the troubled account using default
> values or values from the new user account that did not have any trouble.
>
> However, how do I do that?

Since it sounds like this is probably all related to your KDE config, probably 
the thing to do here would be to set your current ~/.kde off to the side, 
take a copy of the generic one from the new user, then manually copy in the 
config files from your saved directory that would cost you the most time to 
reconfigure from scratch (eg. kmailrc).

Are these suggestions too generic?

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 03:30:45 2006
From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney Myers)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:30:45 -0800
Subject: Samba/netwprk printing
Message-ID: <9BE6CC64-B099-4980-8E02-F46F62201399@gmail.com>

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I'm running kubuntu edgy.

I just got an apple laptop, and for the life of me I cannot get it to  
print to my kubuntu machine Is there anyplace that has a tutorial to  
get that working?

Thanks

- ---
Rodney D. Myers 
Registered Linux User #96112
ICQ#:     AIM#:       YAHOO:
18002350  mailman452  mailman42_5

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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From cfroebel at web.de  Sat Dec 16 05:47:41 2006
From: cfroebel at web.de (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?Fr=F6bel?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:47:41 +0100
Subject: bluetooth: pairing fails
Message-ID: <200612160647.41853.cfroebel@web.de>

Hi there,

I noticed that I cannot pair my cell phone with my computer running Edgy. I 
think I worked under Dapper but I'm not 100% sure as I'm rarely using 
bluetooth.

My computer is visible to my cell phone. When I initiate pairing from the cell 
phone it asks me for a pass. I enter it and the pairing fails immediately. 
KBluetoothD pops up an error message, stating an authentication error.

The other way around it doesn't work neither. For example: I try to 
access/open OBEX file transfer with Konqueror. Then, on my cell I first 
confirm that I want to exchange data with my computer and after that I'm 
asked for a pass. I enter it and after a while the pairing fails.

I was wondering why I only had to enter the pass on my cell phones and not on 
my computer. I'm not very familiar with the BlueZ stuff. But I found out 
that /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf is the place for the configuration. I had a 
look inside. In the options section I found this:

options {
	# Automatically initialize new devices
	autoinit yes;

	# Security Manager mode
	#   none - Security manager disabled
	#   auto - Use local PIN for incoming connections
	#   user - Always ask user for a PIN
	security user;

	# Pairing mode
	#   none  - Pairing disabled
	#   multi - Allow pairing with already paired devices
	#   once  - Pair once and deny successive attempts
	pairing multi;

	# Default PIN code for incoming connections
	passkey "1234";
}

Ok, I though, so there is a default pass. But using this pass on my cell 
didn't work.

Then I tried to set "security auto" which I think uses the pass given 
in /etc/bluetooth/pin (also 1234). No luck with that, too.

After that I tried "security user" with the following line:
pin_helper /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin;
as I found on the net somewhere. And I commented-out the passkey-line. This 
was supposed to bring up a dialog every time I need to enter a pass. But that 
didn't work, too.

So, what's this all about?

Thanks and regards,
  Christian



From lure at ubuntu.com  Sat Dec 16 07:36:55 2006
From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:36:55 +0100
Subject: Almost a SciFi question...
In-Reply-To: <200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
References: 
	<200612150857.16221.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
Message-ID: <200612160836.55190.lure@ubuntu.com>

On Friday 15 December 2006 14:57, Juan Alexander Padron wrote:
> I've ran Kubuntu for a couple of months after a fatal experience with
> Debian. And I love it. So much that I would like to have it exactly as I
> have it now (with tons of extra packages) in my next job (in another
> country). Is there a way to make, not a backup, but an script to run after
> the normal installation that apt-get all my extra packages?

You can use selections as mentioned before, but you can also look if AptOnCD 
is useful for you: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
This is particularly useful for machines that are not on internet.

Regards,
Luka



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 10:11:48 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:11:48 +0200
Subject: Stickykeys not sticky
Message-ID: <880dece00612160211w181d3ff8pb1d44b8a28837694@mail.gmail.com>

Everytime I reboot, I must reconfigure stickykeys. In Kcontrol, the
options are properly set, however, I must unset them, then set them
again before stickykeys will work. Why is this, and what can I do to
aliviate the problem?

Thank you.

Dotan Cohen

http://technology-sleuth.com/short_answer/what_is_a_firewall.html
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/524/zz_top.php



From thcsp at online.no  Sat Dec 16 10:32:25 2006
From: thcsp at online.no (Thomas Sperre)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:32:25 +0100
Subject: How to fix a broken account?
In-Reply-To: <200612151919.48864.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612152348.22620.thcsp@online.no>
	<200612151919.48864.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612161132.26148.thcsp@online.no>

Laurdag 16 desember 2006 01:19 skreiv D. Michael McIntyre:
> On Friday 15 December 2006 5:48 pm, Thomas Sperre wrote:
> > I also created another user, and voila, problems are not there. I think
> > what I have to do is somehow restore the troubled account using default
> > values or values from the new user account that did not have any trouble.
> >
> > However, how do I do that?
>
> Since it sounds like this is probably all related to your KDE config,
> probably the thing to do here would be to set your current ~/.kde off to
> the side, take a copy of the generic one from the new user, then manually
> copy in the config files from your saved directory that would cost you the
> most time to reconfigure from scratch (eg. kmailrc).
>
> Are these suggestions too generic?
>

Yes, and no. I am pretty konfident that it will work, but it will also be 
quite time consuming to figure out which files in .kde is safe to keep and 
which should be removed. However, if manual is the only way, then...

Is it an alternative to backup ~./kde and then progressively delete files in 
the installed folder, assuming that kde will replace the missing ones with 
default values? It looks to me like there is a system to get values from a 
default location if there is nothing particular in the user accounts  
~/.kde/share/config?

Another question, where is the more valuable files located, typically? I can 
see that kmailrc is one I would like to keep, but I guess stuff like my 
konqueror bookmarks, contact list from kopete, etc is also donw there 
somewhere? 



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 10:58:00 2006
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:58:00 +0700
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340612160258h431891d5h7fda4bececa56fd4@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

On 12/16/06, ac <"aec$news"@candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>
>
> Convention seems to suggest that I should have used something like
> /opt/bin   which I told the java install bin to use. Not sure if I had
> to create the directory first though.


The procedure I use for 3rd party non-packaged software is to install to
/opt//bin.
After that, rather than clutter up my $PATH with many entries, I put a
symlink in /usr/local/bin to the executeable.

Apart from those symlinks, I use /usr/local/bin for home grown programs and
scripts.

You can follow a similar method for man pages.

Bob
-- 
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bandwidth wasted on discussing the evils of off-topic posts where
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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sat Dec 16 11:06:20 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:06:20 -0300
Subject: installing software to places like /usr/local
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340612160258h431891d5h7fda4bececa56fd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c1d2d910612142032w97f4217j8160f0abccd9408a@mail.gmail.com>
	
	<8f6eb7340612160258h431891d5h7fda4bececa56fd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612160806.20250.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 07:58, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "Robert Parker"  who wrote:

> > Convention seems to suggest that I should have used something like
> > /opt/bin   which I told the java install bin to use. Not sure if I had
> > to create the directory first though.

> The procedure I use for 3rd party non-packaged software is to install to
> /opt//bin.
> After that, rather than clutter up my $PATH with many entries, I put a
> symlink in /usr/local/bin to the executeable.

I use a similar procedure, but to avoid the overwriting of /opt when 
installing a new OS I have a /home/opt dir on my /home disk; and my /opt is a 
link to /home/opt
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From Herve at lucidia.net  Sat Dec 16 11:34:04 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:34:04 -0200
Subject: how to reinstall KDE in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS?
In-Reply-To: <4583137E.3030906@mail.ee>
References: <4583137E.3030906@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612160334s2013bd88h833e833a177159ea@mail.gmail.com>

Problem is, the system will not install older versions unless you
force it to. This is called downgrading, but I have no idea how to do
it, and would not recommend it.

As a fix exists [0], I'd recommend updating instead.

Herve.

[0] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/65901

On 12/15/06, Edmund Laugasson  wrote:
> Hello!
>
> My problem is, that KDE 3.5.5 is installed onto Kubuntu 6.06 LTS. But as
> mr. Riddell says, KDE 3.5.5 is not meant for Kubuntu 6.06 even here is
> tutorial for that - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
> This is very strange, that this webpage suggests to install KDE 3.5.5
> into Kubuntu 6.06 LTS if it causes so much problems... It causes also a
> lot of problems to me - I installed several Kubuntu 6.06 LTS machines
> with KDE 3.5.5 and now people have a lot of problems e.g. printing from
> QT-based applications... So the following problem is in multiple
> machines and therefore quite critical.
>
> I'm confused about the question - how to install KDE 3.5.4 if KDE 3.5.5
> is already installed in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS ???
>
> I found note, that if you want to install KDE into Ubuntu, then just type:
>
> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
>
>
> So:
>
> * I changed kde-stable to the kde-354  in /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> * sudo apt-get update
>
> * sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall
>
> It reinstalled me version 0.86 again
>
> Result - nothing :(  Still I have KDE 3.5.5, which have several errors.
> The biggest problem - it does not do shut down - very often system just
> hangs... Also CUPS does not work on QT-based programs and USB memory
> sticks does not mount in Konqueror but pmount /dev/sda1 works at command
> line.
>
> Well, mr. Riddell explained me those things and now is perhaps
> possibility to fix them.
>
> Actually I did not receive any update to HAL as mr. Riddell promised. I
> still have the mount problem in Konqueror. Hopefully KDE 3.5.4 will fix
> those problems...
>
> I checked about kubuntu-desktop:
>
> sudo apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop
>
>
> It shows me a lot of packages in which it depends:
> acpi, acpi-support, acpid, adept, akregator, amarok, anacron, apmd, ark,
> arts, bc, bicyclerepair, bluez-cups, bluez-pcmcia-support, bluez-utils,
> bogofilter, brltty, cdparanoia, cdrdao, cdrecord, cupsys, cupsys-bsd,
> cupsys-client, cupsys-driver-gutenprint, dbus, dc, diveintopython,
> doc-base, doc-debian, dvd+rw-tools, example-content, foo2zjs,
> foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint,
> foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, foomatic-filters-ppds, fortune-mod,
> gs-esp, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, gwenview, hal, hotkey-setup, hplip,
> hplip-ppds, irssi, k3b, kaddressbook, kaffeine-xine, kamera, karm,
> katapult, kate, kaudiocreator, kcontrol, kcron, kde-guidance,
> kde-systemsettings, kdeadmin-kfile-plugins, kdebase-kio-plugins,
> kdebluetooth, kdegraphics-kfile-plugins, kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins,
> kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kdenetwork-filesharing,
> kdenetwork-kfile-plugins, kdepasswd, kdepim-kio-plugins, kdepim-wizards,
> kdeprint, kdesktop, kdm, kdnssd, keep, kfind, kghostview, khelpcenter,
> kicker, kio-apt, kio-locate, klaptopdaemon, klipper, kmail, kmailcvt,
> kmenuedit, kmilo, kmix, kmplayer-konq-plugins, knetworkconf, knotes,
> konq-plugins, konqueror, konqueror-nsplugins, konsole, kontact,
> konversation, kooka, kopete, korganizer, kpdf, kpf, kppp, krdc, krfb,
> krita, kscd, kscreensaver, ksmserver, ksnapshot, ksplash,
> ksplash-engine-moodin, ksvg, ksysguard, ksystemlog, ktorrent,
> kubuntu-artwork-usplash, kubuntu-default-settings, kubuntu-docs,
> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, kwalletmanager, kwin, landscape-client,
> language-selector-qt, lftp, libarts1-akode, libgl1-mesa, libglut3,
> libnss-mdns, libpam-foreground, libsasl2-modules, libstdc++5, libxp6,
> min12xxw, mkisofs, openoffice.org, openoffice.org-kde, pmount, pnm2ppa,
> powermanagement-interface, powernowd, python-adns, python-apt,
> python-cddb, python-clientcookie, python-crypto, python-egenix-mxproxy,
> python-egenix-mxstack, python-egenix-mxtexttools, python-egenix-mxtools,
> python-epydoc, python-eunuchs, python-examples, python-gadfly,
> python-gd, python-gdbm, python-genetic, python-geoip,
> python-gnupginterface, python-htmlgen, python-htmltmpl, python-id3lib,
> python-imaging, python-imaging-sane, python-jabber, python-kjbuckets,
> python-ldap, python-mysqldb, python-netcdf, python-newt, python-numeric,
> python-pam, python-parted, python-pexpect, python-pgsql, python-pisock,
> python-pqueue, python-pyao, python-pylibacl, python-pyopenssl,
> python-pyorbit, python-pyvorbis, python-pyxattr, python-reportlab,
> python-simpletal, python-soappy, python-sqlite, python-stats,
> python-syck, python-unit, python-xdg, python-xmpp, python2.4-dbus,
> python2.4-dictclient, python2.4-librdf, python2.4-libxml2,
> python2.4-libxslt1, python2.4-pycurl, qca-tls, readahead, scim-qtimm,
> screen, skim, slocate, smbclient, speedcrunch, ttf-arabeyes,
> ttf-arphic-uming, ttf-baekmuk, ttf-bitstream-vera, ttf-dejavu,
> ttf-freefont, ttf-gentium, ttf-indic-fonts, ttf-kochi-gothic,
> ttf-kochi-mincho, ttf-lao, ttf-malayalam-fonts, ttf-mgopen,
> ttf-thai-tlwg, unzip, usplash, vorbis-tools, wlassistant, wvdial,
> x-ttcidfont-conf, x-window-system-core, xcursor-themes,
> xkeyboard-config, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, xterm, zip
>
>
> Shall I reinstall all of them? I mean, shall I write:
>
> sudo apt-get install
> {all_the_package_mentioned_above_separated_by_spaces} --reinstall
>
> This is my main question.
>
> Thank you in advance for answers,
> Edmund Laugasson
>
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>



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 11:44:17 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:44:17 +0200
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
Message-ID: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all, I see quite a few files/ folders that I don't understand what
they are when I do "ls -a". Could someone explain to me what these
are:

.registry
.gtk_qt_engine_rc
.hk_classes
.subversion
.bashrc
.ICEauthority
.config
.update-notifier
.cpan
.DCOPserver_ubuntu__0
.kderc
.DCOPserver_ubuntu_:0
.lesshst
.local
.lpoptions
.dmrc
.mcop
.wapi
.mcoprc
.windows-label
.esd_auth
.metacity
.Xauthority
.xcompmgrrc
.fullcircle
.gconf
.gconfd
.giFT
.xsession-errors
.gksu.lock
.gnome2_private
.gnupg

Also, what is safe to remove when I'm backing up to save space? Thanks
in advance.

Dotan Cohen

http://dotancohen.com/eng/israel_attacks.php
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/157/devo.php



From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Sat Dec 16 12:27:48 2006
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:27:48 +0100
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>

"Dotan Cohen"  writes:

> Hey all, I see quite a few files/ folders that I don't understand what
> they are when I do "ls -a". Could someone explain to me what these
> are:

> .subversion

subversion configuration directory

> .bashrc

according to BASH manual:
      ~/.bashrc
              The individual per-interactive-shell startup file

> .config
> .local

freedesktop configuration locations. Used by both GNOME and KDE

> .metacity

Looks like metacity configuration file.  I think GNOME uses metacity as
WM.

> .Xauthority

Used by Xserver

> .gconf
> .gconfd

I believe used by GNOME for their local registry

> .xsession-errors

output of X server.  Don't need to back it up.

> .gnupg

Contains your public and private GPG keys

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From mwimmer at mindspin.de  Sat Dec 16 14:36:34 2006
From: mwimmer at mindspin.de (mwimmer at mindspin.de)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:36:34 +0100
Subject: broken language settings
Message-ID: <45840472.7080707@mindspin.de>

Hi list, here's a rather long one:

Some days ago (I guess it was 2 weeks ago) usb devices were not any more
automounted.(dapper on a thinkpad t40, kde 3.5.5 ) After some search in
the forum I deceided to "downgrade" hal by installing Riddel's
hal_0.5.7-1ubuntu18.1_i386.deb and everything seemed to be fine.

Unfortunally I accepted the latest hal update this week, and my keyboard
went "crazy". I had to push every button for about a second to show up.
This behaviour was only experienced in X, not after console log in. The
only solution I found was mentioned in the forum: editing xorg as
follows: Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "Generic Keyboard"
# Manually changed this:-
#       Driver          "kbd"
# to this:-
        Driver          "keyboard"
# so as to use the "XkbDisable" option below.
        Option          "CoreKeyboard"
        Option          "XkbRules"      "xorg"
        Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
        Option          "XkbLayout"     "de"
        Option          "XkbVariant"    "nodeadkeys"
        Option          "XkbOptions"    "lv3:ralt_switch"
# Manually added this:-
        Option          "XkbDisable"    "true"
# because otherwise there are keyboard problems.
EndSection

Typing speed was fine but now my german charset was broken. I solved it
by adding de-language versions of several programs ( OO, Firefox,
thunderbird) and managed to type german special characters again ( in
some apps)
I never managed to type an @, AltGr + shows nothing. The consolescrean
shows weird signs and some keys have strange funktions now.
dpkg-reconfigure locales or localeconf  gives my some perl errors about
language settings, after typing
export LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF-8 the error won't show up
but the charset is still broken. When trying to add a new user (to check
wether only my personal settings are corrupted) system settings says
that the user and group modules are not installed, or broken.
Great news for me :-(

I'm happy that this is my machine and not a customers, because they
would have nailed me to the wall meanwhile, but its difficult to work
with it. So what could be a solution?

thanks in advance

mindspin








From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 14:50:40 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:50:40 +0200
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: <87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, John. That cleared some things up for me. Anybody else have
any info on the others?

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/
http://what-is-what.com/



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 16 14:58:08 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:58:08 -0500
Subject: How to fix a broken account?
In-Reply-To: <200612161132.26148.thcsp@online.no>
References: <200612152348.22620.thcsp@online.no>
	<200612151919.48864.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612161132.26148.thcsp@online.no>
Message-ID: <200612160958.08655.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 5:32 am, Thomas Sperre wrote:

> Yes, and no. I am pretty konfident that it will work, but it will also be
> quite time consuming to figure out which files in .kde is safe to keep and
> which should be removed. However, if manual is the only way, then...

The only way I know.  There could be better ways I guess.  I have no idea.  
I've had to do this on occasion.  In all the upgrades and updates since KDE 
2.1 I've had to gut ~/.kde probably no more than three times, so I haven't 
invested a lot of effort trying to come up with a more focused approach.

> Is it an alternative to backup ~./kde and then progressively delete files
> in the installed folder, assuming that kde will replace the missing ones
> with default values? It looks to me like there is a system to get values
> from a default location if there is nothing particular in the user accounts
> ~/.kde/share/config?

That could work, but the number of files you really need to keep is probably 
smaller.  Do you have a clue which config files to start shooting down?

> Another question, where is the more valuable files located, typically? I
> can see that kmailrc is one I would like to keep, but I guess stuff like my
> konqueror bookmarks, contact list from kopete, etc is also donw there
> somewhere?

It varies by application, and it tends to be fairly obvious what config files 
belong to what.

find ~/.kde -name kopete\*

(or use a graphical searcher thingie if you prefer, of course)

I usually catch things on an as-needed basis when I run something and see how 
tall an order it's going to be putting it back the way I had it by hand.

One of the trickier ones is the address book, which stores its stuff in

~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/*

That and my kmailrc are probably the ones I go for first, filling in any 
blanks thereafter case by case.  Just a question of whether it's quicker to 
click a few checkboxes or figure out which file to import, stop the app, copy 
the file, and restart it.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From garryknight at gmx.net  Sat Dec 16 16:40:32 2006
From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:40:32 +0000
Subject: Midnight Commander session in Konsole as root
Message-ID: 

If I select "New Root Midnight Commander" in mc's Session menu, a shell
opens in a new tab, asking for a password. I enter the password (at the
moment, my user password is the same as root's), mc thinks about it for a
second or two, then the tab closes. In other words, no root mc session.

Of course, I can just start a new root shell and enter 'mc', but that
defeats the object of having it in the session list (not to mention the
extra typing).

I'm using Midnight Commander 4.6.1, Konsole 1.6.5, KDE 3.5.5, Kubuntu 6.06
LTS, if it makes a difference.

-- 
Garry Knight
garryknight at gmx.net





From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 17:47:17 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:47:17 +0200
Subject: Mouse pointer in text field
Message-ID: <880dece00612160947r66125dd7uab1535c3d3f2c3e7@mail.gmail.com>

How does one hide the mouse pointer when typing in text fields? I've
seen this recently on a KDE slackware laptop, so I know that it's
possible in KDE, but I can't find it in Kcontrol. Thanks in advance.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/malware.html



From achimz1 at sympatico.ca  Sat Dec 16 17:57:58 2006
From: achimz1 at sympatico.ca (achimz)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:57:58 -0500
Subject: Install confusion
Message-ID: <1166291878.5112.9.camel@control-port>

Hello

I love this software and for the first time have a real desire to get
educated in it. Kubuntu 6.10 amd 64 desktop just refuses to like my
machine. It's an abit kv8 pro, via chipset..amd 64 3400 on the 754
platform..empty harddrives..2 of them to chose from...I load the cd
Kubuntu 6.10 amd 64 bit version desk top ..and the following happens
every time. I can't see around this.

the screen is black with 10 lines of the following top to bottom and the
system moves no further.

"user not known to the underlying authentication module"

What could be the problem?

Help please




From haroldh at midmaine.com  Sat Dec 16 21:05:24 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:05:24 -0500
Subject: firefox crashing
Message-ID: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>

I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to crash and on my 
desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I can not 
figure out what may be the problem.
Anyone having the same problem.

I'm even noticing that when I log out and shut down the laptop, it also 
doesn't fully turn off but it just sits there with the kubuntu logo.

Harold




From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com  Sat Dec 16 21:14:11 2006
From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:14:11 +0000
Subject: Install confusion
In-Reply-To: <1166291878.5112.9.camel@control-port>
References: <1166291878.5112.9.camel@control-port>
Message-ID: 

achimz wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I love this software and for the first time have a real desire to get
> educated in it. Kubuntu 6.10 amd 64 desktop just refuses to like my
> machine. It's an abit kv8 pro, via chipset..amd 64 3400 on the 754
> platform..empty harddrives..2 of them to chose from...I load the cd
> Kubuntu 6.10 amd 64 bit version desk top ..and the following happens
> every time. I can't see around this.
> 
> the screen is black with 10 lines of the following top to bottom and the
> system moves no further.
> 
> "user not known to the underlying authentication module"
> 
> What could be the problem?

where did you get the CD from I wonder? How sure are you that the CD 
is completely valid and correct?
Can you verify the md5sum?
-- 
ac




From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com  Sat Dec 16 21:21:59 2006
From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:21:59 +0000
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>
	<880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Thanks, John. That cleared some things up for me. Anybody else have
> any info on the others?
> 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://lyricslist.com/
> http://what-is-what.com/
> 

try google perhaps?
They all seem to be hidden files, rather than your data. So backing up 
your actual data wil be most important.

Have you made an attempt to find out how large these hidden files 
total up to?

If you backup with say, rdiff-backup then you will find it uses space 
very economically. (IIRC it is also used in Keep but in my own 
experience Keep is not working yet in distros I have used, including 
Kubuntu).

hth
-- 
ac




From kubuntu at kitterman.com  Sat Dec 16 21:26:53 2006
From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:26:53 -0500
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200612161626.53896.kubuntu@kitterman.com>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:05, Harold Hartley wrote:
> I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
> Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to crash and on my
> desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
> I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I can not
> figure out what may be the problem.
> Anyone having the same problem.
>
If you have Flash of any kind installed, that's probably your problem.  FF 2.0 
and Flash do not appear to play well together.

Scott K



From haroldh at midmaine.com  Sat Dec 16 21:36:46 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:36:46 -0500
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <200612161626.53896.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
	<200612161626.53896.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
Message-ID: <458466EE.4010604@midmaine.com>

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:05, Harold Hartley wrote:
>   
>> I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
>> Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to crash and on my
>> desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
>> I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I can not
>> figure out what may be the problem.
>> Anyone having the same problem.
>>
>>     
> If you have Flash of any kind installed, that's probably your problem.  FF 2.0 
> and Flash do not appear to play well together.
>
> Scott K
>
>   
It works very well on my desktop with flash and java.
If it works fine on my desktop with kubuntu 6.10 then my laptop should 
work the same way, but it does not.
Oh BTW, I didn't have flash on my laptop at the time.

Harold




From claydoh at claydoh.com  Sat Dec 16 22:51:51 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:51 -0500
Subject: Midnight Commander session in Konsole as root
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612161752.04987.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 11:40 am, Garry Knight wrote:
> If I select "New Root Midnight Commander" in mc's Session menu, a shell
> opens in a new tab, asking for a password. I enter the password (at the
> moment, my user password is the same as root's), mc thinks about it for a
> second or two, then the tab closes. In other words, no root mc session.
>
> Of course, I can just start a new root shell and enter 'mc', but that
> defeats the object of having it in the session list (not to mention the
> extra typing).
>
> I'm using Midnight Commander 4.6.1, Konsole 1.6.5, KDE 3.5.5, Kubuntu 6.06
> LTS, if it makes a difference.
>
> --
> Garry Knight
> garryknight at gmx.net

Actually, the session menu is Konsole's, and you can easily fix this.
Open a konsole, go to Settings - Configure Konsole, then click on the Session 
tab. Select 'Root Midnight Commander', and in the 'Execute' section, replace 
the command there with 'sudo mc' (no quotes).

Click 'Save Session' then 'Apply' and it should work

-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From kubuntu at kitterman.com  Sat Dec 16 22:52:22 2006
From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:52:22 -0500
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <458466EE.4010604@midmaine.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
	<200612161626.53896.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
	<458466EE.4010604@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:36, Harold Hartley wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:05, Harold Hartley wrote:
> >> I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
> >> Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to crash and on my
> >> desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
> >> I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I can not
> >> figure out what may be the problem.
> >> Anyone having the same problem.
> >
> > If you have Flash of any kind installed, that's probably your problem. 
> > FF 2.0 and Flash do not appear to play well together.
> >
> > Scott K
>
> It works very well on my desktop with flash and java.
> If it works fine on my desktop with kubuntu 6.10 then my laptop should
> work the same way, but it does not.
> Oh BTW, I didn't have flash on my laptop at the time.
>
OK.  Then I don't know.  That's the only source of FF instability I've 
noticed.

Scott K



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sat Dec 16 23:28:13 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:28:13 -0300
Subject: Compiling drivers
Message-ID: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

New motherboard, comes with instructions to compile the sound and NIC drivers 
for Linux.

First problem was it wanted make; so I installed make

Then when running make, 
	ron at ron:/home/opt/src$ sudo make install
	Makefile:16: *** Linux kernel source not found.  Stop.

Looked for "kernel source" with synaptic, cannot find anything.

HELP ! 
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From kaj at haulrich.net  Sat Dec 16 23:39:22 2006
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:39:22 +0100
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612170039.22354.kaj@haulrich.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 00:28, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> New motherboard, comes with instructions to compile the sound and
> NIC drivers for Linux.
>
> First problem was it wanted make; so I installed make
>
> Then when running make,
> 	ron at ron:/home/opt/src$ sudo make install
> 	Makefile:16: *** Linux kernel source not found.  Stop.
>
> Looked for "kernel source" with synaptic, cannot find anything.
>
> HELP !

You must enable the source repos. In synaptic, 
click 'settings' --> 'repositories' .  In there, enable the 'src' 
entries (greyed out by default).

Kaj Haulrich.
-- 
*** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer ***
********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) *********



From fltzk at cass.net  Sun Dec 17 00:10:30 2006
From: fltzk at cass.net (F. P. Lietzke Jr.)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:10:30 -0500
Subject: Install confusion
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1166291878.5112.9.camel@control-port> 
Message-ID: <200612161910.30572.fltzk@cass.net>

If you have an ATI video card that may be the problem. Does Safe Graphics Mode 
work? If not try to set it up for 4X from 8x in the bios. I have about the 
same setup and it worked for me.


On Saturday 16 December 2006 4:14 pm, ac wrote:
> achimz wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I love this software and for the first time have a real desire to get
> > educated in it. Kubuntu 6.10 amd 64 desktop just refuses to like my
> > machine. It's an abit kv8 pro, via chipset..amd 64 3400 on the 754
> > platform..empty harddrives..2 of them to chose from...I load the cd
> > Kubuntu 6.10 amd 64 bit version desk top ..and the following happens
> > every time. I can't see around this.
> >
> > the screen is black with 10 lines of the following top to bottom and the
> > system moves no further.
> >
> > "user not known to the underlying authentication module"
> >
> > What could be the problem?
>
> where did you get the CD from I wonder? How sure are you that the CD
> is completely valid and correct?
> Can you verify the md5sum?
> --
> ac



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 17 03:18:05 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:18:05 +0000
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <4584B6ED.5030300@blueyonder.co.uk>

Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> New motherboard, comes with instructions to compile the sound and NIC drivers 
> for Linux.
>
> First problem was it wanted make; so I installed make
>
> Then when running make, 
> 	ron at ron:/home/opt/src$ sudo make install
> 	Makefile:16: *** Linux kernel source not found.  Stop.
>
> Looked for "kernel source" with synaptic, cannot find anything.
>
> HELP ! 
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Ron.
> --
>                      It is impossible to defend perfectly
>                  against the attack of those who want to die.
>                                     
>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
>   
Ok, if you're going to compile anything you'll need a few different
packages, fortunately you can get them all with a metapackage:
build-essential
If you're building modules (drivers), you need the kernel source, or at
least the headers. You can install either (or both) of:
(for Edgy)
linux-source-2.6.17
linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic

Usually all you'll need is the headers, so try that first, as the source
is around 40MB

Tez





From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 03:43:37 2006
From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:43:37 -0800
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <4584B6ED.5030300@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<4584B6ED.5030300@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

On 12/16/06, Tez  wrote:
> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> > New motherboard, comes with instructions to compile the sound and NIC drivers
> > for Linux.
> >
> > First problem was it wanted make; so I installed make
> >
> > Then when running make,
> >       ron at ron:/home/opt/src$ sudo make install
> >       Makefile:16: *** Linux kernel source not found.  Stop.
> >
> > Looked for "kernel source" with synaptic, cannot find anything.
> >
> > HELP !
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ron.
> > --
> >                      It is impossible to defend perfectly
> >                  against the attack of those who want to die.
> >
> >                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
> >
> >
> Ok, if you're going to compile anything you'll need a few different
> packages, fortunately you can get them all with a metapackage:
> build-essential
> If you're building modules (drivers), you need the kernel source, or at
> least the headers. You can install either (or both) of:
> (for Edgy)
> linux-source-2.6.17
> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
>
> Usually all you'll need is the headers, so try that first, as the source
> is around 40MB

Also, I've found that the sources generally hang around /usr/src.
This was on Gentoo, so YMMV on Ubuntu.

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 07:35:15 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:35:15 +0200
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: 
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>
	<880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <880dece00612162335m2279777fy1642fd2c78497921@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/12/06, ac <"aec$news"@candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
> try google perhaps?
> They all seem to be hidden files, rather than your data. So backing up
> your actual data wil be most important.
>
> Have you made an attempt to find out how large these hidden files
> total up to?
>
> If you backup with say, rdiff-backup then you will find it uses space
> very economically. (IIRC it is also used in Keep but in my own
> experience Keep is not working yet in distros I have used, including
> Kubuntu).

Thanks, of couse I STFW before I asked. A few of them (.bashrc for
example) I could have taken off the list, but I figured that I'd get
more info if I asked about them as well. There were of course others
(.kde, .mozilla, etc) that I did not post, as they were obvious enough
that I didn't need to.

I've discovered that I prefer to use cp to backup, as I often need one
complete file as it was at xxx date in time. So long as it all fits on
one disc, I prefer not even to tar it so that I can access it more
readiliy.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/sitepoint.html
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/121/114/chapman_tracy/matters_of_the_heart.php



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 17 07:48:17 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:48:17 +0000
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>	<4584B6ED.5030300@blueyonder.co.uk>
	
Message-ID: <4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>

Chris Miller wrote:
> On 12/16/06, Tez  wrote:
>   
>> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
>>     
>>> New motherboard, comes with instructions to compile the sound and NIC drivers
>>> for Linux.
>>>
>>> First problem was it wanted make; so I installed make
>>>
>>> Then when running make,
>>>       ron at ron:/home/opt/src$ sudo make install
>>>       Makefile:16: *** Linux kernel source not found.  Stop.
>>>
>>> Looked for "kernel source" with synaptic, cannot find anything.
>>>
>>> HELP !
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Ron.
>>> --
>>>                      It is impossible to defend perfectly
>>>                  against the attack of those who want to die.
>>>
>>>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Ok, if you're going to compile anything you'll need a few different
>> packages, fortunately you can get them all with a metapackage:
>> build-essential
>> If you're building modules (drivers), you need the kernel source, or at
>> least the headers. You can install either (or both) of:
>> (for Edgy)
>> linux-source-2.6.17
>> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
>>
>> Usually all you'll need is the headers, so try that first, as the source
>> is around 40MB
>>     
>
> Also, I've found that the sources generally hang around /usr/src.
> This was on Gentoo, so YMMV on Ubuntu.
>
>   
Yes, if you install the source it will go in /usr/src (and you usually
have to extract it), the headers also go there.
Some install scripts look for /lib/modules/[kernel version]/build which
is a symlink to the headers in /usr/src but if it asks for the location
use "linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic" for the headers (normally enough
for drivers).

Tez





From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com  Sun Dec 17 10:14:20 2006
From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:14:20 +0000
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612162335m2279777fy1642fd2c78497921@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>	<880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>	
	<880dece00612162335m2279777fy1642fd2c78497921@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 16/12/06, ac <"aec$news"@candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>> try google perhaps?
>> They all seem to be hidden files, rather than your data. So backing up
>> your actual data wil be most important.
>>
>> Have you made an attempt to find out how large these hidden files
>> total up to?
>>
>> If you backup with say, rdiff-backup then you will find it uses space
>> very economically. (IIRC it is also used in Keep but in my own
>> experience Keep is not working yet in distros I have used, including
>> Kubuntu).
> 
> Thanks, of couse I STFW before I asked. A few of them (.bashrc for
> example) I could have taken off the list, but I figured that I'd get
> more info if I asked about them as well. There were of course others
> (.kde, .mozilla, etc) that I did not post, as they were obvious enough
> that I didn't need to.
> 
> I've discovered that I prefer to use cp to backup, as I often need one
> complete file as it was at xxx date in time. So long as it all fits on
> one disc, I prefer not even to tar it so that I can access it more
> readiliy.

I know that rdiff-backup is a little more complex, and I used copy for 
things initially also.
However, rdiff-backup produces a mirror file, compressed only if you 
wish, and manages increments fairly elegantly, with dates and times.
-- 
ac




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 10:28:11 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:28:11 +0200
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: 
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>
	<880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>
	
	<880dece00612162335m2279777fy1642fd2c78497921@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <880dece00612170228h1eb148f3t40400beaa2cb1ba3@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/12/06, ac <"aec$news"@candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
> I know that rdiff-backup is a little more complex, and I used copy for
> things initially also.
> However, rdiff-backup produces a mirror file, compressed only if you
> wish, and manages increments fairly elegantly, with dates and times.

Thanks for the information. I do know the merits of rdiff and a few
other options, however for the specific need that I have cp does seems
to be the best option. Also, I'd like to keep this thread on-topic as
regardless of what backup method I use, I'd very much like to know
what the files on my machine are doing there. For the time being I
accept the black majic of what happens on most of the file system,
however, the files in /home/user are very interesting to me at the
moment as they must be specific to my user account.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/528/12_stones.php
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/java.html



From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au  Sun Dec 17 11:14:14 2006
From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:14:14 +1100
Subject: Install seamonkey- better
Message-ID: <45852686.5000701@ozemail.com.au>

Seems the Debian repos will never have Seamonkey, and thus nor will the 
(k)ubuntu repos which so far are mainly snapshots of Debian, who have 
had a dispute with the mozilla open source team about, can you believe 
it trademarks!
The seamonkey linux full installer runs fine in Kubuntu with 
flash-plugin and does not crash direct from the mozilla-seamonkey website.
You best install it as root first though.

A little glitch in Kubuntu etch, it forgets :-( its monitor power saving 
installed as administrator after rebooting each time.
Can this be fixed?
Cheers
Rod



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sun Dec 17 11:35:59 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:35:59 -0300
Subject: Hardware detection
Message-ID: <200612170835.59437.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

I have change some hardware (new motherboard, so new video, new sound, new lan 
etc).

Where can I find software like Mandrake Control Center, that will let me 
detect and configure the new hardware ? 
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From diiar at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 17 12:42:27 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:42:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: built-in webcam
Message-ID: <20061217124227.67603.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I have a built-in webcam with ACER Aspire 5560 laptop
but it seems like kubuntu doesn't see this webcam(I'm
not sure). How can I check if it detects my webcam? I
want to use my webcam with Kopete but video device
configuration is empty. However, when I plugged
another webcam, it could detect. But I want to use the
built-in webcam because the resolution is better.
Could anyone help me?
Thanks in advance.
Diiar

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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sun Dec 17 13:35:51 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:35:51 -0300
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	
	<4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612171035.52084.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 04:48, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Tez  who wrote:

> Yes, if you install the source it will go in /usr/src (and you usually
> have to extract it), the headers also go there.

Did this, tried again, now get an error:

checking for kernel version... The 
file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/include/linux/version.h does not exist.

Where does one get sources with a version.h included ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From haroldh at midmaine.com  Sun Dec 17 14:26:54 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:26:54 -0500
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>	<200612161626.53896.kubuntu@kitterman.com>	<458466EE.4010604@midmaine.com>
	<200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
Message-ID: <458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:36, Harold Hartley wrote:
>   
>> Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>     
>>> On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:05, Harold Hartley wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
>>>> Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to crash and on my
>>>> desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
>>>> I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I can not
>>>> figure out what may be the problem.
>>>> Anyone having the same problem.
>>>>         
>>> If you have Flash of any kind installed, that's probably your problem. 
>>> FF 2.0 and Flash do not appear to play well together.
>>>
>>> Scott K
>>>       
>> It works very well on my desktop with flash and java.
>> If it works fine on my desktop with kubuntu 6.10 then my laptop should
>> work the same way, but it does not.
>> Oh BTW, I didn't have flash on my laptop at the time.
>>
>>     
> OK.  Then I don't know.  That's the only source of FF instability I've 
> noticed.
>
> Scott K.
>   
I believe its the version of flash.
The web sites are using the newer type of flash and we're still using 
version 7.
I think they new to release the flash 9 for linux even though it hasn't 
been released yet.
I'd use it even in beta for flash 9.
Does anyone have a link to the flash 9.

Harold





From T.Six at gmx.de  Sun Dec 17 14:40:54 2006
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:40:54 +0100
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>	<200612161626.53896.kubuntu@kitterman.com>	<458466EE.4010604@midmaine.com>	<200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
	<458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: 

Harold Hartley wrote the following on 17.12.2006 15:26:



> Does anyone have a link to the flash 9.
> 
> Harold

http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-flash-9.html

I use the local installation and removed flashplugin-nonfree.


bye Thilo
-- 
i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
- some friend of mine

gpg key: 0x4A411E09




From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com  Sun Dec 17 15:13:01 2006
From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:13:01 +0000
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612170228h1eb148f3t40400beaa2cb1ba3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>	<880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>		<880dece00612162335m2279777fy1642fd2c78497921@mail.gmail.com>	
	<880dece00612170228h1eb148f3t40400beaa2cb1ba3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 17/12/06, ac <"aec$news"@candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>> I know that rdiff-backup is a little more complex, and I used copy for
>> things initially also.
>> However, rdiff-backup produces a mirror file, compressed only if you
>> wish, and manages increments fairly elegantly, with dates and times.
> 
> Thanks for the information. I do know the merits of rdiff and a few
> other options, however for the specific need that I have cp does seems
> to be the best option. Also, I'd like to keep this thread on-topic as
> regardless of what backup method I use, I'd very much like to know
> what the files on my machine are doing there. For the time being I
> accept the black majic of what happens on most of the file system,
> however, the files in /home/user are very interesting to me at the
> moment as they must be specific to my user account.

understood.
I am aware also that other users also backup stuff in user related 
system areas too (/opt? others?), so when you are done with /home , 
there may be other directories to deal with.

-- 
ac




From kaj at haulrich.net  Sun Dec 17 15:43:08 2006
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:43:08 +0100
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
	<200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
	<458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200612171643.08608.kaj@haulrich.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 15:26, Harold Hartley wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:36, Harold Hartley wrote:
> >> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:05, Harold Hartley wrote:
> >>>> I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
> >>>> Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to
> >>>> crash and on my desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
> >>>> I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I
> >>>> can not figure out what may be the problem.
> >>>> Anyone having the same problem.
> >>>
> >>> If you have Flash of any kind installed, that's probably your
> >>> problem. FF 2.0 and Flash do not appear to play well
> >>> together.
> >>>
> >>> Scott K
> >>
> >> It works very well on my desktop with flash and java.
> >> If it works fine on my desktop with kubuntu 6.10 then my
> >> laptop should work the same way, but it does not.
> >> Oh BTW, I didn't have flash on my laptop at the time.
> >
> > OK.  Then I don't know.  That's the only source of FF
> > instability I've noticed.
> >
> > Scott K.
>
> I believe its the version of flash.
> The web sites are using the newer type of flash and we're still
> using version 7.
> I think they new to release the flash 9 for linux even though it
> hasn't been released yet.
> I'd use it even in beta for flash 9.
> Does anyone have a link to the flash 9.

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html

Kaj Haulrich.
-- 
*** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer ***
********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) *********



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Dec 17 17:07:50 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:07:50 -0500
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
	<200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
	<458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200612171207.50666.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 09:26, Harold Hartley wrote:
>Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:36, Harold Hartley wrote:
>>> Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>>> On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:05, Harold Hartley wrote:
>>>>> I just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop and also firefox.
>>>>> Now I have noticed that most sites will cause firefox to crash and
>>>>> on my desktop, it doesn't have any problem.
>>>>> I never had any problem with firefox on dapper drake and I can not
>>>>> figure out what may be the problem.
>>>>> Anyone having the same problem.
>>>>
>>>> If you have Flash of any kind installed, that's probably your
>>>> problem. FF 2.0 and Flash do not appear to play well together.
>>>>
>>>> Scott K
>>>
>>> It works very well on my desktop with flash and java.
>>> If it works fine on my desktop with kubuntu 6.10 then my laptop
>>> should work the same way, but it does not.
>>> Oh BTW, I didn't have flash on my laptop at the time.
>>
>> OK.  Then I don't know.  That's the only source of FF instability I've
>> noticed.
>>
>> Scott K.
>
>I believe its the version of flash.
>The web sites are using the newer type of flash and we're still using
>version 7.
>I think they new to release the flash 9 for linux even though it hasn't
>been released yet.
>I'd use it even in beta for flash 9.
>Does anyone have a link to the flash 9.
>
I googled for 'linux flash player 9', and it appears its out of beta now.
The link to labs.adobe.com for it was about 4 or 5 down from the top of 
the list google returned.  Unfortunately, the link to the full 9 release, 
when clicked on, links to FP7, not FP9 even though the text in the link 
says its flash player 9, but with a 9*.  Down at the bottom, in greyed 
out text, it says *for winderz & macs.  So I just backed out to the 
initial page at  and 
grabbed the beta via the top link.

Installed, it has been stable so far and I've hit several sites using 
anims without problems.

>Harold

-- 
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Sun Dec 17 17:25:17 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:25:17 -0500
Subject: Understanding files in /home/user
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612160344s33038ddbt46465773238791c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r6v081q3.fsf@fjellstad.org>
	<880dece00612160650s6324e41cq908134c876c2a018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612171225.18852.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 09:50, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Thanks, John. That cleared some things up for me. Anybody else have
> any info on the others?

They are each per-user configuration files.  If you need to know more about 
individual files, google might be your friend (often it just returns a sample 
of the file itself), some of them have their own man page, and sometimes just 
looking at them answers your question.  I would definitely back them up if 
saving your customized configuration is a concern to you. 

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 17 17:50:44 2006
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:50:44 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


I'm having trouble as a normal user to access my usb scanner. This is
NOT a device I want reserved for sudoers... 

Can anyone tell me what I need to do to give scan permissions to ALL
normal users???

sane-find-scanner Does find my scanner (as normal user)

- -> found USB scanner (vendor=0x05d8, product=0x4005, chip=GT-6816?) at
- -> libusb:001:002
- ->   # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be
- ->   supported by
- ->   # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

This is what happens when I try to access the scanner with scanimage -L
as normal user, then as a sudoer:

J(tWdy)P -> /home/jtwdyp
> scanimage -L

No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
J(tWdy)P -> /home/jtwdyp
> su  {login name of sudoer account NOT shown}
Password:
AsudoeR -> /home/jtwdyp
> scanimage -L

No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
AsudoeR -> /home/jtwdyp
> sudo scanimage -L
Password:
device `artec_eplus48u:libusb:001:002' is a Memorex MEM 48U USB flatbed scanner
AsudoeR -> /home/jtwdyp
>   

I figure there must be some file somewheres with restrictive permissions...
BUT:

J(tWdy)P -> /proc/bus/usb
> ls -l
total 0
dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-11-30 04:51 001
dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-11-30 04:51 002
- -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-30 04:51 devices
J(tWdy)P -> /proc/bus/usb
> ls -l 001
total 0
- -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 43 2006-11-30 04:51 001
- -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 50 2006-11-30 04:51 002
J(tWdy)P -> /proc/bus/usb
> ls -l 002
total 0
- -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 43 2006-11-30 04:51 001
J(tWdy)P -> /proc/bus/usb
>        
I don't see anything here that would require root permissions... So I
thought it must be something to do with sane's files

:r!ls -l /usr/share/sane
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-11-17 14:32 artec_eplus48u
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-12-12 12:19 gt68xx
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396 2005-10-25 07:53 sane-style.rc
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4762 2005-10-25 07:53 xscanimage-icon-32x32-2.xpm

:r!ls -l /usr/share/sane/artec_eplus48u
total 8
- -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8192 2002-02-26 10:55 Artec48.usb

:r!ls -l /etc/sane.d
total 280
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    25 2005-09-27 10:14 abaton.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    14 2005-09-27 10:14 agfafocus.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    24 2005-09-27 10:14 apple.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    26 2005-09-27 10:14 artec.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11657 2006-04-06 03:12 artec_eplus48u.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  6435 2006-01-08 08:30 artec_eplus48u.conf.dpkg-old
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   535 2006-04-06 03:12 avision.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    29 2005-09-27 10:14 bh.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   193 2005-09-27 10:14 canon630u.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    35 2005-09-27 10:14 canon.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1160 2005-09-27 10:14 canon_pp.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   754 2005-09-27 10:14 coolscan2.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    34 2005-09-27 10:14 coolscan.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   984 2005-09-27 10:14 dc210.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   984 2005-09-27 10:14 dc240.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   704 2005-09-27 10:14 dc25.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   832 2006-04-06 03:12 dll.conf
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2005-12-12 12:26 dll.d
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    12 2005-09-27 10:14 dmc.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   847 2006-04-06 03:12 epson.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   428 2005-09-27 10:14 fujitsu.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   586 2006-04-06 03:12 genesys.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1149 2005-09-27 10:14 gphoto2.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  6447 2006-04-06 03:12 gt68xx.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    76 2006-04-06 03:12 hp4200.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   238 2005-09-27 10:14 hp5400.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   497 2005-09-27 10:14 hp.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    22 2005-09-27 10:14 hpsj5s.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    38 2005-09-27 10:14 ibm.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   113 2005-09-27 10:14 leo.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    41 2006-04-06 03:12 lexmark.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   187 2005-09-27 10:14 ma1509.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   666 2005-09-27 10:14 matsushita.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   279 2005-09-27 10:14 microtek2.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   268 2005-09-27 10:14 microtek.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2125 2006-04-06 03:12 mustek.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3824 2006-04-06 03:12 mustek_pp.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   809 2005-09-27 10:14 mustek_usb.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13 2005-09-27 10:14 nec.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   286 2005-09-27 10:14 net.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  9108 2006-01-08 08:32 OLDartec_eplus48u.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    75 2005-09-27 10:14 pie.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3882 2005-09-27 10:14 plustek.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   943 2006-04-06 03:12 plustek_pp.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   391 2005-09-27 10:14 qcam.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    29 2005-09-27 10:14 ricoh.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13 2005-09-27 10:14 s9036.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   658 2005-09-27 10:14 saned.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    48 2005-09-27 10:14 sceptre.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1464 2005-09-27 10:14 sharp.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   115 2006-04-06 03:12 sm3840.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2197 2006-04-06 03:12 snapscan.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    10 2005-09-27 10:14 sp15c.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2224 2005-09-27 10:14 st400.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    28 2005-09-27 10:14 tamarack.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   355 2005-09-27 10:14 teco1.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   636 2005-09-27 10:14 teco2.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   217 2005-09-27 10:14 teco3.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1807 2005-09-27 10:14 test.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1495 2005-09-27 10:14 u12.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   386 2005-09-27 10:14 umax1220u.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3094 2005-09-27 10:14 umax.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1684 2005-09-27 10:14 umax_pp.conf
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   204 2005-09-27 10:14 v4l.conf

/etc/sane.d/artec_eplus48u.conf points at this firmware file

=> option artecFirmwareFile /usr/share/sane/artec_eplus48u/Artec48.usb

:r!ls -l /usr/lib/sane
total 5176
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-abaton.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-abaton.so.1 -> libsane-abaton.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  40672 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-abaton.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    946 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-agfafocus.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-agfafocus.so.1 -> libsane-agfafocus.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  48480 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-agfafocus.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-apple.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-apple.so.1 -> libsane-apple.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  52532 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-apple.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    981 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-artec_eplus48u.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     32 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-artec_eplus48u.so.1 -> libsane-artec_eplus48u.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  84088 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-artec_eplus48u.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-artec.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-artec.so.1 -> libsane-artec.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  67964 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-artec.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    911 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-as6e.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     22 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-as6e.so.1 -> libsane-as6e.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  21044 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-as6e.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-avision.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-avision.so.1 -> libsane-avision.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123484 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-avision.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    897 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-bh.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     20 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-bh.so.1 -> libsane-bh.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  76580 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-bh.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    946 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-canon630u.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-canon630u.so.1 -> libsane-canon630u.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  52096 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-canon630u.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-canon.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    939 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-canon_pp.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     26 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-canon_pp.so.1 -> libsane-canon_pp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  47892 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-canon_pp.so.1.0.17
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-canon.so.1 -> libsane-canon.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  84808 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-canon.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    946 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-coolscan2.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-coolscan2.so.1 -> libsane-coolscan2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  72328 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-coolscan2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    939 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-coolscan.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     26 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-coolscan.so.1 -> libsane-coolscan.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  72244 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-coolscan.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dc210.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-dc210.so.1 -> libsane-dc210.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  26884 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dc210.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dc240.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-dc240.so.1 -> libsane-dc240.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  31404 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dc240.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    911 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dc25.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     22 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-dc25.so.1 -> libsane-dc25.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  35216 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dc25.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dll.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-dll.so.1 -> libsane-dll.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  19572 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dll.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dmc.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-dmc.so.1 -> libsane-dmc.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  38896 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-dmc.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-epson.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-epson.so.1 -> libsane-epson.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  98140 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-epson.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-fujitsu.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-fujitsu.so.1 -> libsane-fujitsu.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 117968 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-fujitsu.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-genesys.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-genesys.so.1 -> libsane-genesys.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 169812 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-genesys.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1031 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-gphoto2.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-gphoto2.so.1 -> libsane-gphoto2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  30980 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-gphoto2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-gt68xx.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-gt68xx.so.1 -> libsane-gt68xx.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 128024 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-gt68xx.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hp4200.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-hp4200.so.1 -> libsane-hp4200.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  55312 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hp4200.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hp5400.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-hp5400.so.1 -> libsane-hp5400.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  46920 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hp5400.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    897 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hp.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hpsj5s.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-hpsj5s.so.1 -> libsane-hpsj5s.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  26508 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hpsj5s.so.1.0.17
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     20 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-hp.so.1 -> libsane-hp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 143772 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-hp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-ibm.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-ibm.so.1 -> libsane-ibm.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  47812 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-ibm.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-leo.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-leo.so.1 -> libsane-leo.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  47300 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-leo.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-lexmark.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-lexmark.so.1 -> libsane-lexmark.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  53540 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-lexmark.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-ma1509.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-ma1509.so.1 -> libsane-ma1509.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  55232 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-ma1509.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    953 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-matsushita.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     28 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-matsushita.so.1 -> libsane-matsushita.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  49684 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-matsushita.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    946 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-microtek2.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-microtek2.so.1 -> libsane-microtek2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 120924 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-microtek2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    939 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-microtek.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     26 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-microtek.so.1 -> libsane-microtek.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  80608 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-microtek.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    946 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek_pp.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-mustek_pp.so.1 -> libsane-mustek_pp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  89364 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek_pp.so.1.0.17
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-mustek.so.1 -> libsane-mustek.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 146024 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    960 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek_usb2.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     29 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-mustek_usb2.so.1 -> libsane-mustek_usb2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 148636 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek_usb2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    953 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek_usb.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     28 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-mustek_usb.so.1 -> libsane-mustek_usb.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 149560 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-mustek_usb.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-nec.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-nec.so.1 -> libsane-nec.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  60768 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-nec.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-net.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-net.so.1 -> libsane-net.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  42784 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-net.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-niash.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-niash.so.1 -> libsane-niash.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  55540 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-niash.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-pie.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-pie.so.1 -> libsane-pie.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  68976 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-pie.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-plustek.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    953 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-plustek_pp.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     28 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-plustek_pp.so.1 -> libsane-plustek_pp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 166668 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-plustek_pp.so.1.0.17
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-plustek.so.1 -> libsane-plustek.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181572 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-plustek.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    911 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-qcam.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     22 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-qcam.so.1 -> libsane-qcam.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  33084 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-qcam.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-ricoh.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-ricoh.so.1 -> libsane-ricoh.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  47076 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-ricoh.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-s9036.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-s9036.so.1 -> libsane-s9036.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  38860 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-s9036.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sceptre.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-sceptre.so.1 -> libsane-sceptre.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  45408 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sceptre.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sharp.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-sharp.so.1 -> libsane-sharp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  72192 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sharp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sm3600.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-sm3600.so.1 -> libsane-sm3600.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  50268 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sm3600.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    925 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sm3840.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     24 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-sm3840.so.1 -> libsane-sm3840.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  92272 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sm3840.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    939 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-snapscan.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     26 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-snapscan.so.1 -> libsane-snapscan.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 110968 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-snapscan.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sp15c.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-sp15c.so.1 -> libsane-sp15c.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  51512 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-sp15c.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-st400.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-st400.so.1 -> libsane-st400.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  40140 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-st400.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    939 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-tamarack.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     26 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-tamarack.so.1 -> libsane-tamarack.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  41448 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-tamarack.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-teco1.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-teco1.so.1 -> libsane-teco1.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  47508 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-teco1.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-teco2.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-teco2.so.1 -> libsane-teco2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  56308 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-teco2.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    918 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-teco3.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     23 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-teco3.so.1 -> libsane-teco3.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  47188 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-teco3.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    911 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-test.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     22 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-test.so.1 -> libsane-test.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  56700 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-test.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-u12.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-u12.so.1 -> libsane-u12.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  98052 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-u12.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    946 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-umax1220u.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-umax1220u.so.1 -> libsane-umax1220u.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  59648 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-umax1220u.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    911 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-umax.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    932 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-umax_pp.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     25 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-umax_pp.so.1 -> libsane-umax_pp.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 211968 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-umax_pp.so.1.0.17
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     22 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-umax.so.1 -> libsane-umax.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 148840 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-umax.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    904 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-v4l.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     21 2006-06-08 09:44 libsane-v4l.so.1 -> libsane-v4l.so.1.0.17
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  24636 2006-04-06 03:12 libsane-v4l.so.1.0.17

Any help would be appreciated...

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From angusprune at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 18:35:06 2006
From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:35:06 +0000
Subject: [Edgy] Unable to access share folder dialogue
Message-ID: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  I'm running a fresh install of Kubuntu 6.10 with all updates applied
and just the restriced codecs installed.

When I right click a folder (called 'Music' in 'Home'), goto
Properties, Share, then click on 'Configfure File sharing' it asks for
my sudo passowrd, which I enter then it shows the following dialogue.

http://angusprune.googlepages.com/SharingError.png

On my other edgy box this dialogue appears correctly, what do I need
to do to get this working?


James



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sun Dec 17 21:20:02 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:20:02 -0300
Subject: Configuring mice
Message-ID: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me configure my mouse, 
fix the number of buttons, test that they work properly, similar to the mouse 
utility in Mandrake ? 
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sun Dec 17 21:33:39 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:33:39 -0300
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	
	<4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612171833.39598.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

Not managed to run the config yet, but I notice I am advised to:
	Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the
	distribution          (Please refer to the attached modules.conf)

Now I looked, I cannot find either /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules on my 
Kubuntu install.

a locate modules |grep conf did not bring any useful information.

Where the hell is modules.conf or conf.modules ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From kaj at haulrich.net  Sun Dec 17 22:11:18 2006
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:11:18 +0100
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612172311.18688.kaj@haulrich.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 22:20, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me
> configure my mouse, fix the number of buttons, test that they
> work properly, similar to the mouse utility in Mandrake ?

Can't Konqueror file browser do that ? -  Services --> Settings --> 
Peripherals --> Mouse.

Kaj haulrich.
-- 
*** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer ***
********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) *********



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Dec 17 23:10:37 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Ed Lau)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:10:37 +0200
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <20061218011037.57074f24.ed.lau@mail.ee>

> Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me configure my mouse, 
> fix the number of buttons, test that they work properly, similar to the mouse 
> utility in Mandrake ? 

If you are using KDE - run KControl:

1) press ALT+F2
2) type kcontrol
3) press Enter
4) look Hardware and then Mouse

Rgrds,
Edmund



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Dec 17 23:17:31 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Ed Lau)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:17:31 +0200
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20061218011731.eba2a004.ed.lau@mail.ee>

> I'm having trouble as a normal user to access my usb scanner. This is
> NOT a device I want reserved for sudoers... 
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to give scan permissions to ALL
> normal users???

Perhaps is there same problem as described here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1421275

In other words - remove (or rename) the directory /etc/sane.d/dll.d

I hope, it helps...



From claydoh at claydoh.com  Sun Dec 17 22:23:09 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:23:09 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612171723.09338.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 12:50 pm, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> I'm having trouble as a normal user to access my usb scanner. This is
> NOT a device I want reserved for sudoers...
>
> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to give scan permissions to ALL
> normal users???
>
Snipped
>
> /etc/sane.d/artec_eplus48u.conf points at this firmware file
>
> => option artecFirmwareFile /usr/share/sane/artec_eplus48u/Artec48.usb
>
Do you actually have the firmware file copied over to the location specified, 
and the filename is spelled exactly as it is in the config file?
It can be found on the driver disk, or in a windows dir, probably
c:\windows\system32\drivers
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Dec 17 23:23:59 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Ed Lau)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:23:59 +0200
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <20061217124227.67603.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20061217124227.67603.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061218012359.f924e1da.ed.lau@mail.ee>

> How can I check if it detects my webcam?

at the Konsole, try:

mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l

Or if you want e.g. 800x600 picture, try:

mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l -vop scale=800


Certainly, you need to install mplayer, which is available, if you
enable universe/multiverse repositories at /etc/apt/sources.list
Then install mplayer and its codecs.

Usually webcam is device like /dev/video0
If you have also TV-card at the same time, then there might be webcam
as /dev/video1, etc.



From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sun Dec 17 22:29:34 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:29:34 -0300
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <20061218011037.57074f24.ed.lau@mail.ee>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<20061218011037.57074f24.ed.lau@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <200612171929.34587.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 20:10, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Ed Lau  who wrote:

> > Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me configure my
> > mouse, fix the number of buttons, test that they work properly, similar
> > to the mouse utility in Mandrake ?

> If you are using KDE - run KControl:

Only covers "soft" config of the mouse, not harware.

Frinstance no wat to tell the bloody machine that my mouse has four buttons !
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Sun Dec 17 16:10:31 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:10:31 -0700
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <200612171929.34587.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<20061218011037.57074f24.ed.lau@mail.ee>
	<200612171929.34587.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612170910.31428.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 15:29, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> On Sunday 17 December 2006 20:10, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>
>  from Ed Lau  who wrote:
> > > Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me configure my
> > > mouse, fix the number of buttons, test that they work properly, similar
> > > to the mouse utility in Mandrake ?
> >
> > If you are using KDE - run KControl:
>
> Only covers "soft" config of the mouse, not harware.
>
> Frinstance no wat to tell the bloody machine that my mouse has four buttons
> !
look for imwheel
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
> --
>                      It is impossible to defend perfectly
>                  against the attack of those who want to die.
>
>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --

-- 
Registered Linux Mangler #003
Some people lean from books
some people learn fro experience
and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence
Will Rodgers



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Mon Dec 18 00:16:08 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Ed Lau)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:16:08 +0200
Subject: how to reinstall KDE in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS?
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612160334s2013bd88h833e833a177159ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4583137E.3030906@mail.ee>
	<4413284c0612160334s2013bd88h833e833a177159ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061218021608.0d63c599.ed.lau@mail.ee>

> Problem is, the system will not install older versions unless you
> force it to.

Yes, I know it. But apt-get does not contain "force install" action:
http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apt-get.8.html

But I found this URL -
http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/DowngradingKDE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Incase you have upgraded to a version of KDE and are having issues and
want to roll back to an older version, here is a quick way to do it.
This will assume you are using a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list
similar to the following:

deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ dapper main

Here is what you need to prepare for the downgrade.

You'll need to edit, or create, a file called preferences in
the /etc/apt/ directory. Do the following commands:

kdesu kate /etc/apt/preferences

Then add the following lines to that file and then save it:

Package: *
Pin: origin kubuntu.org
Pin-Priority: 1001

Then you need to change the sources.list line we showed you above to
match the following:

deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ dapper main

Then perform the following commands:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

If you get any errors on packages not installing, then perform the
following command:

sudo apt-get install -f

This should finish the downgrade without any further problems. Once
that is done, perform the following command:

sudo rm -f /etc/apt/preferences

You should now have KDE 3.5.3 installed once again if you followed the
directions exactly as above since we used KDE 3.5.3 as an example.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, it seems like I will try this... No better solution I did not
found.

If it fails, well - then it seems like I need to just reinstall my
computer. Well - I let you know, when I have time to probe this
solution... If there is better solution - you may suggest it.

I found also similar themes:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html



From meldroc at frii.com  Sun Dec 17 23:44:06 2006
From: meldroc at frii.com (Doug Holland)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:44:06 -0700
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>
	<200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>
	<458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200612171644.12143.meldroc@frii.com>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 07:26, Harold Hartley wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:36, Harold Hartley wrote:
>
> I believe its the version of flash.
> The web sites are using the newer type of flash and we're still using
> version 7.
> I think they new to release the flash 9 for linux even though it hasn't
> been released yet.
> I'd use it even in beta for flash 9.
> Does anyone have a link to the flash 9.
>
> Harold

apt-get install automatix2, and use it - it will automagically install Flash 9 
if you want.
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From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sun Dec 17 23:45:45 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:45:45 -0500
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <200612171833.39598.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<200612171833.39598.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <200612171845.46118.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 4:33 pm, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> Not managed to run the config yet, but I notice I am advised to:
> 	Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the

> Where the hell is modules.conf or conf.modules ?

Advised by what?  I've been running Debian (or now a derivative) for getting 
close to five years now, and I've *never* had to fool with /etc/*modules* for 
anything.  I have no idea what mechanism Debian uses for this purpose, 
because I've never had to tinker with it by hand.

If you're running into a situation that the automatic boot time configuration 
bits aren't handling correctly (eg. Debian/Kubuntu aren't installing the 
snd-seq-midi module out of the box, among a few trouble spots I've 
encountered), and need to manually intervene to install a module by hand, 
then do yourself a *big* favor.

Install the "modconf" utility, if it's not already installed, and use that to 
install your module.  Please ignore generic "edit /etc/modules.conf" 
instructions you find out there on the web, and use modconf instead.

The tricky part is figuring out where the bloody hell the module you need is 
hiding in the complicated tree.  I have no thing particularly helpful to 
offer there.  Once you find it and load it, modconf takes care of whatever 
config guts stuff Debian uses for this purpose, and you can keep your hands 
clean.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Sun Dec 17 17:26:32 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:26:32 -0700
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <200612171644.12143.meldroc@frii.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com> <458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
	<200612171644.12143.meldroc@frii.com>
Message-ID: <200612171026.32643.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 16:44, Doug Holland wrote:
> On Sunday 17 December 2006 07:26, Harold Hartley wrote:
> > Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:36, Harold Hartley wrote:
> >
> > I believe its the version of flash.
> > The web sites are using the newer type of flash and we're still using
> > version 7.
> > I think they new to release the flash 9 for linux even though it hasn't
> > been released yet.
> > I'd use it even in beta for flash 9.
> > Does anyone have a link to the flash 9.
> >
> > Harold
>
> apt-get install automatix2, and use it - it will automagically install
> Flash 9 if you want.
go here first
http://www.howtoforge.com/automatix_ubuntu

-- 
Registered Linux Mangler #003
Some people lean from books
some people learn fro experience
and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence
Will Rodgers



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 18 04:19:03 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:19:03 +0000
Subject: Hardware detection
In-Reply-To: <200612170835.59437.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612170835.59437.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <458616B7.7010901@blueyonder.co.uk>

Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> I have change some hardware (new motherboard, so new video, new sound, new lan 
> etc).
>
> Where can I find software like Mandrake Control Center, that will let me 
> detect and configure the new hardware ? 
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Ron.
> --
>                      It is impossible to defend perfectly
>                  against the attack of those who want to die.
>                                     
>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
>   
Just plug it in, you'll probably need to run "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xorg" to get the X server running again, but after that, you can
just use System Settings to configure the rest.

Tez




From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 18 04:24:01 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:24:01 +0000
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <200612171035.52084.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>		<4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<200612171035.52084.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>

Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> On Sunday 17 December 2006 04:48, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>  from Tez  who wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, if you install the source it will go in /usr/src (and you usually
>> have to extract it), the headers also go there.
>>     
>
> Did this, tried again, now get an error:
>
> checking for kernel version... The 
> file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
>
> Where does one get sources with a version.h included ?
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Ron.
> --
>                 
To get the source ready to be compiled against it has to be, at least
partially, compiled.
If you use the headers it should work. Otherwise you may have to compile
the kernel (someone correct me if there is a better way)


Tez





From diiar at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 18 09:21:17 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:21:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <20061218012359.f924e1da.ed.lau@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <166980.46259.qm@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ed Lau  wrote:

> > How can I check if it detects my webcam?
> 
> at the Konsole, try:
> 
> mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l
> 
> Or if you want e.g. 800x600 picture, try:
> 
> mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l -vop scale=800
> 
> 
> Certainly, you need to install mplayer, which is
> available, if you
> enable universe/multiverse repositories at
> /etc/apt/sources.list
> Then install mplayer and its codecs.
> 
> Usually webcam is device like /dev/video0
> If you have also TV-card at the same time, then
> there might be webcam
> as /dev/video1, etc.
> 

Thank you for that. It seems that it doesn't detect my
webcam. Does anyone know how I can make my webcam
work? Do I have to install webcam driver? It worked
when I had Windows but I had to install the driver.

Thank you for your help
Diiar

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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Mon Dec 18 09:24:11 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:24:11 -0300
Subject: Hardware detection
In-Reply-To: <458616B7.7010901@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612170835.59437.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<458616B7.7010901@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612180624.11514.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Monday 18 December 2006 01:19, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Tez  who wrote:

> Just plug it in, you'll probably need to run "dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xorg" to get the X server running again, but after that, you can
> just use System Settings to configure the rest.

Just did that; buggered my video, but did not offer any options for the mouse.

Thanks,
 
Ron.

PS Do not worry over the video, I checked xorg.conf and repaired the video 
section with vi before I tried it.
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From angasule at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 10:31:25 2006
From: angasule at gmail.com (Matias D'Ambrosio)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:31:25 -0300
Subject: [Edgy] Unable to access share folder dialogue
In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20fe1d130612180231i1ff91f4ay20a26666f24db571@mail.gmail.com>

 I get the same when I go to Settings->Sharing->File Sharing and
switch to Administrator Mode in Edgy. Resizing the window doesn't
allow reaching the checkbox I assume is somewhere up there.



From angusprune at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 10:34:46 2006
From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:34:46 +0000
Subject: [Edgy] Unable to access share folder dialogue
In-Reply-To: <20fe1d130612180231i1ff91f4ay20a26666f24db571@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20fe1d130612180231i1ff91f4ay20a26666f24db571@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18cdd8230612180234u5567568ay2567c82e0cde05fd@mail.gmail.com>

If there isn't a solution to this has it been logged as a bug?

The dialogue appears fine on my other edgy box.


On 18/12/06, Matias D'Ambrosio  wrote:
>  I get the same when I go to Settings->Sharing->File Sharing and
> switch to Administrator Mode in Edgy. Resizing the window doesn't
> allow reaching the checkbox I assume is somewhere up there.



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Mon Dec 18 10:53:53 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:53:53 +0200
Subject: firefox crashing
In-Reply-To: <200612171644.12143.meldroc@frii.com>
References: <45845F94.9060808@midmaine.com>	<200612161752.22230.kubuntu@kitterman.com>	<458553AE.2010009@midmaine.com>
	<200612171644.12143.meldroc@frii.com>
Message-ID: <45867341.8080805@mail.ee>

> apt-get install automatix2, and use it - it will automagically install Flash 9 
> if you want.


I do not suggest Automatix - this program screwed up my Ubuntu system 
totally (I tried it on 5.10 and 6.06), that I needed to reinstall it. 
There are some items twice or similar programs for same purpose or same 
program and different versions (old and new ones). In other words - 
Automatix is messed up and there is hard to understand, what is right 
choices.

Instead Automatix I suggest EasyUbuntu:
http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - main page
https://translations.launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu - translation and 
bug management

Easyubuntu works all the time and does not change any system 
configuration. It has clear design and easy to decide and choose 
choices. I suggest to download *.tar.gz version and run it using python, 
which is included by default in Ubuntu. I suggest to open terminal at 
first and then run this python script from there. Reason - this script 
needs some interactive answers and if you run this script without 
command prompt, you won't see those questions and cannot answer.

In short, type at the command line:

wget http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu-3.023.tar.gz
tar -zxf easyubuntu-3.023.tar.gz
cd easyubuntu
sudo python easyubuntu.in

In the future version might be higher - so watch Easyubuntu's webpage 
(http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/) to get the latest version.

Best Regards,
Edmund Laugasson



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Mon Dec 18 11:00:37 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:00:37 +0200
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <200612171929.34587.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>	<20061218011037.57074f24.ed.lau@mail.ee>
	<200612171929.34587.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <458674D5.10905@mail.ee>

>>> Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me configure my
>>> mouse, fix the number of buttons, test that they work properly, similar
>>> to the mouse utility in Mandrake ?
> 
>> If you are using KDE - run KControl:
> 
> Only covers "soft" config of the mouse, not harware.
> 
> Frinstance no wat to tell the bloody machine that my mouse has four buttons !


Then you need to configure X.org configuration file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf

What mouse you exactly have?

Some links I found so far, that might help you:
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=147865
http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/mouse-driver.4.html - good tutorial
http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/mouse/


I searched so - http://www.google.ee/search?q=four+button+mouse+linux

After changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf you need to log off and then log in to 
have changes in effect. Or just do restart if logging of did not have 
effect. I mentioned, that in Ubuntu e.g. changing modeline it does not 
help if I log off (doing restart to X server) - I need to restart 
computer to have changes in effect.


Best Regards,
Edmund Laugasson



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 13:02:04 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:02:04 +0200
Subject: KDE shortcuts
Message-ID: <880dece00612180502x53736f5arbecc8b7a50c5753@mail.gmail.com>

I have KDE in Hebrew. Whenever I need to use a keyboard shortcut, I
must switch over to English, perform the shortcut, then switch back to
Hebrew. How can I set up KDE to recognize the shortcuts in Hebrew,
like Windows does?

For instance, CTRL-ב should be recognized as CTRL-C for "copy". I
don't want to remap all the shortcuts in all the applications
(including non-KDE apps such as Firefox). Is this maybe an X.org
issue, and should I maybe ask there?

Thanks in advance.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/242/halliwell_geri.php
http://faq-google.com

From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 13:06:39 2006
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:06:39 +0200
Subject: [Edgy] Unable to access share folder dialogue
In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230612180234u5567568ay2567c82e0cde05fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>	<20fe1d130612180231i1ff91f4ay20a26666f24db571@mail.gmail.com>
	<18cdd8230612180234u5567568ay2567c82e0cde05fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4586925F.6030505@gmail.com>

I see the same problem on my laptop w Edgy. Screen resolution 1280*800

Sinclair

Angus Prune wrote:
> If there isn't a solution to this has it been logged as a bug?
> 
> The dialogue appears fine on my other edgy box.
> 
> 
> On 18/12/06, Matias D'Ambrosio  wrote:
>>  I get the same when I go to Settings->Sharing->File Sharing and
>> switch to Administrator Mode in Edgy. Resizing the window doesn't
>> allow reaching the checkbox I assume is somewhere up there.
> 



From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 13:36:56 2006
From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:36:56 +0800
Subject: KDE shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612180502x53736f5arbecc8b7a50c5753@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612180502x53736f5arbecc8b7a50c5753@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612182136.57533.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>

On Monday 18 December 2006 21:02, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> For instance, CTRL-ב should be recognized as CTRL-C for "copy". I
> don't want to remap all the shortcuts in all the applications
> (including non-KDE apps such as Firefox). Is this maybe an X.org
> issue, and should I maybe ask there?

Some of the basic, common keyboard shortcuts, like Copy, Cut, Paste, etc., can 
be globally set in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard 
Shortcuts -> Application Shortcuts tab. All KDE apps will follow those, 
unless you set something entirely different for the app.

Hope that helps.

-- 
Regards,
Juan Carlos Torres
http://jucato.org/



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 14:07:42 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:07:42 +0200
Subject: KDE shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <200612182136.57533.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612180502x53736f5arbecc8b7a50c5753@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612182136.57533.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00612180607u416b281r622135cbd89f1acb@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/12/06, Juan Carlos Torres  wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 21:02, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > For instance, CTRL-ב should be recognized as CTRL-C for "copy". I
> > don't want to remap all the shortcuts in all the applications
> > (including non-KDE apps such as Firefox). Is this maybe an X.org
> > issue, and should I maybe ask there?
>
> Some of the basic, common keyboard shortcuts, like Copy, Cut, Paste, etc., can
> be globally set in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard
> Shortcuts -> Application Shortcuts tab. All KDE apps will follow those,
> unless you set something entirely different for the app.

Actually, I tried that and it didn't work (not for Kmail and Firefox,
anyway). I set the Hebrew shortcuts as alternative shortcuts, but
actually performing them had no effect.

I'd like for CTRL-AnythingInHebrew to be seen as CTRL-ItsEnglishEquivilent.

Dotan Cohen

http://dotancohen.com/howto/portknocking.php
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/608/adam_ant.php

From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 15:28:12 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:28:12 -0200
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <166980.46259.qm@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20061218012359.f924e1da.ed.lau@mail.ee>
	<166980.46259.qm@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612180728i2a6b7dc8xb1d3b47ee8592a38@mail.gmail.com>

Does lsusb or lspci (from a console) give you any info on the chipset?

Hervé.

On 12/18/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
>
> --- Ed Lau  wrote:
>
> > > How can I check if it detects my webcam?
> >
> > at the Konsole, try:
> >
> > mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l
> >
> > Or if you want e.g. 800x600 picture, try:
> >
> > mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l -vop scale=800
> >
> >
> > Certainly, you need to install mplayer, which is
> > available, if you
> > enable universe/multiverse repositories at
> > /etc/apt/sources.list
> > Then install mplayer and its codecs.
> >
> > Usually webcam is device like /dev/video0
> > If you have also TV-card at the same time, then
> > there might be webcam
> > as /dev/video1, etc.
> >
>
> Thank you for that. It seems that it doesn't detect my
> webcam. Does anyone know how I can make my webcam
> work? Do I have to install webcam driver? It worked
> when I had Windows but I had to install the driver.
>
> Thank you for your help
> Diiar
>
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From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 15:47:07 2006
From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:47:07 -0800
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612180728i2a6b7dc8xb1d3b47ee8592a38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061218012359.f924e1da.ed.lau@mail.ee>
	<166980.46259.qm@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4413284c0612180728i2a6b7dc8xb1d3b47ee8592a38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On 12/18/06, Hervé Fache  wrote:
> Does lsusb or lspci (from a console) give you any info on the chipset?

I think lspci does.  Well, IIRC it tells you what's on the bus, and
that usually includes hardware specific to your chipset.

Worth a try.

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From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 16:09:58 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:09:58 -0200
Subject: Install seamonkey- better
In-Reply-To: <45852686.5000701@ozemail.com.au>
References: <45852686.5000701@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612180809j3af0ca30l50d440b7b2528759@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/06, Rod Lovett  wrote:
> Seems the Debian repos will never have Seamonkey, and thus nor will the
> (k)ubuntu repos which so far are mainly snapshots of Debian, who have
> had a dispute with the mozilla open source team about, can you believe
> it trademarks!

Debian people are like that, and I respect them for being faithful to
their ideals. This said, Ubuntu repositories contain a lot of software
not in Debian (look for versions in ...0ubuntu...).



> A little glitch in Kubuntu etch, it forgets :-( its monitor power saving
Kubuntu etch???
> installed as administrator after rebooting each time.
> Can this be fixed?

When Seamonkey is in Ubuntu (which I am not sure it is anytime soon),
report a bug against it.

Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 16:11:54 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:11:54 -0200
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612180811v69cfc69ajd1c85cebbf53c355@mail.gmail.com>

Mice usually worj out of the box in Ubuntu. If not, can you please
file a bug and see what comes out of it?

Hervé.

On 12/17/06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati  wrote:
> Where can I frind a graphical interface that will let me configure my mouse,
> fix the number of buttons, test that they work properly, similar to the mouse
> utility in Mandrake ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
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From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 16:18:34 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:18:34 -0200
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	
	<4584F641.7000806@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<200612171035.52084.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612180818m61327359l114db799d1393547@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/06, Tez  wrote:
> To get the source ready to be compiled against it has to be, at least
> partially, compiled.
> If you use the headers it should work. Otherwise you may have to compile
> the kernel (someone correct me if there is a better way)

Best is to use headers, as you said.

The config.h file gets created at the beginning of the compile, so one
could start and cancel the kernel compile at the right time to just
get it. But why bother?

Just install and use the headers, that´s what they´re for: compiling modules.

Hervé.

P.S.: Renaud, could you please let us know what hardware is not
supported out of the box by Edgy on your motherboard?

From diiar at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 18 16:39:30 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:39:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20061218163930.64581.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Chris Miller  wrote:

> On 12/18/06, Hervé Fache  wrote:
> > Does lsusb or lspci (from a console) give you any
> info on the chipset?
> 
> I think lspci does.  Well, IIRC it tells you what's
> on the bus, and
> that usually includes hardware specific to your
> chipset.
> 
> Worth a try.

Here is my result of lsusb :
Bus 005 Device 003: ID 046d:0892 Logitech, Inc.
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 15d9:0a37
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000

Here is my result of lspci :

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile
945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Expr
ess Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile
945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Expre
ss PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) High Definition Aud
io Controller (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) PCI Express Port 1 (r
ev 02)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) PCI Express Port 2 (r
ev 02)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) PCI Express Port 3 (r
ev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev
02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev
02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev
02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev
02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7
Family) USB2 EHCI Control
ler (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI
Bridge (rev e2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM
(ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (re                     
                                                      
                      v 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM
(ICH7 Family) Serial ATA S                            
                                                      
               torage Controller IDE (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family)
SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies
Inc Unknown device 71c5
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation
NetLink BCM5789 Gigabit Ethern                        
                                                      
                   et PCI Express (rev 21)
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation
PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Conne                    
                                                      
                       ction (rev 02)
0a:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments Unknown
device 8039
0a:06.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments
Unknown device 803a
0a:06.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments
Unknown device 803b
0a:06.3 Class 0805: Texas Instruments Unknown device
803c

I'm not sure if the Logitech one is for my webcam, but
why can't I use my webcam then? I searched the info
about ACER Orbicam and it said that Ubuntu doesn't
support the driver of the webcam yet.
Maybe, it doesn't really work.

Thanks for your help
Diiar

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From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Mon Dec 18 16:40:49 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:40:49 +0000
Subject: Foreign words
Message-ID: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

I am using kubuntu edgy.

I am wondering how to get the correct spelling of some foreign words 
that need an accent, eg words like cafe, fiancee which really need an 
accent on the letter e. I can manage fine in OO writer but how about an 
email client? Or how about when I am writing a blog in a browser? Can 
anyone help please?

Neil Winchurst



From diiar at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 18 16:52:46 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:52:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: KDE shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612180607u416b281r622135cbd89f1acb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <986941.21155.qm@web60723.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> On 18/12/06, Juan Carlos Torres
>  wrote:
> > On Monday 18 December 2006 21:02, Dotan Cohen
> wrote:
> > > For instance, CTRL-ב should be recognized as
> CTRL-C for "copy". I
> > > don't want to remap all the shortcuts in all the
> applications
> > > (including non-KDE apps such as Firefox). Is
> this maybe an X.org
> > > issue, and should I maybe ask there?
> >
> > Some of the basic, common keyboard shortcuts, like
> Copy, Cut, Paste, etc., can
> > be globally set in System Settings -> Keyboard &
> Mouse -> Keyboard
> > Shortcuts -> Application Shortcuts tab. All KDE
> apps will follow those,
> > unless you set something entirely different for
> the app.
> 
> Actually, I tried that and it didn't work (not for
> Kmail and Firefox,
> anyway). I set the Hebrew shortcuts as alternative
> shortcuts, but
> actually performing them had no effect.
> 
> I'd like for CTRL-AnythingInHebrew to be seen as
> CTRL-ItsEnglishEquivilent.
> 
> Dotan Cohen

I actually use CTRL-Space to switch between langauges.
You can also try this because CTRL and Space are the
same in every langauge keyboard. You can configure
that in System Settings -> Keyboard &
Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Global shortcuts and go
to last line (Switch to next keyboard layout). This
shortcut will only allow you to switch to next
keyboard but it doesn't turn round to the beginning
when there is no more keyboard layout. If you want
that it turns round, you have to configure you KDE
Keyboard Tool by right clicking on the flag of
language on the system tray. Click Configure.->
Switching options. Enable sticky switching.

I'm not sure if that's what you want.
Hope this helps.
Diiar

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From simozack at yahoo.it  Mon Dec 18 17:06:25 2006
From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:06:25 +0100
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4586CA91.6020508@yahoo.it>

Neil Winchurst ha scritto:
> I am using kubuntu edgy.
> 
> I am wondering how to get the correct spelling of some foreign words 
> that need an accent, eg words like cafe, fiancee which really need an 
> accent on the letter e. I can manage fine in OO writer but how about an 
> email client? Or how about when I am writing a blog in a browser? Can 
> anyone help please?

If you search on the OOo writer help, you can find a guide to write 
these special char under Linux. If you can't find it, read this link:

http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/

Bye,
Simone


Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! 
 http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com 




From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Mon Dec 18 16:35:36 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:35:36 -0300
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <200612171845.46118.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612171833.39598.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612171845.46118.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612181335.36929.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 20:45, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "D. Michael McIntyre"  who wrote:

> > Not managed to run the config yet, but I notice I am advised to:
> >       Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on
> > the
> >
> > Where the hell is modules.conf or conf.modules ?
>
> Advised by what?  

By the compile / install instructions given on the Linux drivers CD that came 
with the new motherboard.

Stupid of me, I know, I have been trying to follow instructions, since I know 
I dont know enough to do otherwise.
 
> Install the "modconf" utility, if it's not already installed, and use that
> to install your module.  Please ignore generic "edit /etc/modules.conf"
> instructions you find out there on the web, and use modconf instead.

When they are the only instructions I have, ....

Cheers,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 17:26:44 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:26:44 +0200
Subject: KDE shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <986941.21155.qm@web60723.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <880dece00612180607u416b281r622135cbd89f1acb@mail.gmail.com>
	<986941.21155.qm@web60723.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00612180926hc750374te571b8406a046975@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/12/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
> I actually use CTRL-Space to switch between langauges.
> You can also try this because CTRL and Space are the
> same in every langauge keyboard. You can configure
> that in System Settings -> Keyboard &
> Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Global shortcuts and go
> to last line (Switch to next keyboard layout). This
> shortcut will only allow you to switch to next
> keyboard but it doesn't turn round to the beginning
> when there is no more keyboard layout. If you want
> that it turns round, you have to configure you KDE
> Keyboard Tool by right clicking on the flag of
> language on the system tray. Click Configure.->
> Switching options. Enable sticky switching.
>
> I'm not sure if that's what you want.
> Hope this helps.
> Diiar
>

Thanks, Diiar, I also use ctrl-space to switch languages. That's not
what I need. I want ctrl-[C key] to be copy no matter what language
I'm in.

Foe example, in MS word, in Hebrew I can type ctrl-נ and the text
becomes bold, just like ctrl-B. That's because the letter נ shares a
key with B. I'd like this functionality in my KDE apps as well.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/636/warrant.php
http://nanir.com

From art.alexion at verizon.net  Mon Dec 18 17:56:30 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:56:30 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4586CA91.6020508@yahoo.it>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<4586CA91.6020508@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Monday 18 December 2006 12:06, Simone wrote:
> Neil Winchurst ha scritto:

> > I am wondering how to get the correct spelling of some foreign words
> > that need an accent, eg words like cafe, fiancee which really need an
> > accent on the letter e. I can manage fine in OO writer but how about an
> > email client? Or how about when I am writing a blog in a browser? Can
> > anyone help please?
>
> If you search on the OOo writer help, you can find a guide to write
> these special char under Linux. If you can't find it, read this link:
>
> http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/

I don't think he needs help entering the characters, but rather getting his 
spellchecker to recognize them correctly.

I can sympathize.  I use US-English dictionary.  The correct spelling is Café, 
but my spellchecker says that is wrong and wants cafe, which is wrong.  Same 
with résumé vs. resume.  Résumé is a curriculum vitae; resume means to start 
again.

It's annoying.

-- 

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From garryknight at gmx.net  Mon Dec 18 18:08:51 2006
From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:08:51 +0000
Subject: Midnight Commander session in Konsole as root
References: 
	<200612161752.04987.claydoh@claydoh.com>
Message-ID: 

claydoh wrote:

> replace the command there with 'sudo mc'

It worked, thanks. Before I changed it, it had su -c 'mc -c', which I would
have thought should work. It certainly works when typed directly into a
root terminal. Must be something to do with the way Ubuntu plays fast and
loose with root's privileges.

-- 
Garry Knight
garryknight at gmx.net




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 18:24:26 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:24:26 +0200
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<4586CA91.6020508@yahoo.it>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00612181024v5875b7c0v85d65e41ab633863@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
>
> I don't think he needs help entering the characters, but rather getting his
> spellchecker to recognize them correctly.
>
> I can sympathize.  I use US-English dictionary.  The correct spelling is Café,
> but my spellchecker says that is wrong and wants cafe, which is wrong.  Same
> with résumé vs. resume.  Résumé is a curriculum vitae; resume means to start
> again.
>
> It's annoying.
>

I don't think that he's talking about a spell checker, rather, how to
actually enter the characters. you need to add the correct keyboard in
Kcontrol (assuming KDE). Then you can shift-space to switch languages.

Dotan Cohen

http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/what_is_hdtv.html
http://dugry.com

From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com  Mon Dec 18 19:09:02 2006
From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (SteVe Cook)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:09:02 +0000
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<4586CA91.6020508@yahoo.it>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4586E74E.7070109@googlemail.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 12:06, Simone wrote:
>> Neil Winchurst ha scritto:
> 
>>> I am wondering how to get the correct spelling of some foreign words
>>> that need an accent, eg words like cafe, fiancee which really need an
>>> accent on the letter e. I can manage fine in OO writer but how about an
>>> email client? Or how about when I am writing a blog in a browser? Can
>>> anyone help please?
>> If you search on the OOo writer help, you can find a guide to write
>> these special char under Linux. If you can't find it, read this link:
>>
>> http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/
> 
> I don't think he needs help entering the characters, but rather getting his 
> spellchecker to recognize them correctly.
> 
> I can sympathize.  I use US-English dictionary.  The correct spelling is Café, 
> but my spellchecker says that is wrong and wants cafe, which is wrong.  Same 
> with résumé vs. resume.  Résumé is a curriculum vitae; resume means to start 
> again.
> 
> It's annoying.
> 
> 

Café and résumé are both recognised in Thunderbird with a GB-English 
dictionary, although I could've added them to my personal dictionary, 
which is what I do with words like fiancée and fête when they're not in 
the dictionary.


à la vôtre!

SteVe



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Mon Dec 18 19:16:04 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:16:04 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612181024v5875b7c0v85d65e41ab633863@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<880dece00612181024v5875b7c0v85d65e41ab633863@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612181416.05551.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Monday 18 December 2006 13:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 18/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> > I don't think he needs help entering the characters, but rather getting
> > his spellchecker to recognize them correctly.
> >
> > I can sympathize.  I use US-English dictionary.  The correct spelling is
> > Café, but my spellchecker says that is wrong and wants cafe, which is
> > wrong.  Same with résumé vs. resume.  Résumé is a curriculum vitae;
> > resume means to start again.
> >
> > It's annoying.
>
> I don't think that he's talking about a spell checker, rather, how to
> actually enter the characters. you need to add the correct keyboard in
> Kcontrol (assuming KDE). Then you can shift-space to switch languages.

If that is the case, and he is using them only occasionally, I suggest 
enabling "compose key" I assigned the windows key as the compose_key.  Now I 
can enter é by typing in sequence win_key+e+'.  § is win_key+s+o.  Google 
compose key.  I don't have the URL right now, but there are two really good 
pages about this, both setting up and using.  If you need the URLs, write 
back and I will look them up again and post them.
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
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From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 19:30:55 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:30:55 -0200
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <200612181322.58209.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<4413284c0612180811v69cfc69ajd1c85cebbf53c355@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612181322.58209.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612181130k4d2aafcbk7498bd3d86a82568@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati  wrote:


> What is needed is a tool like mousedrake, that asks you questions about your
> mouse, and generates the coresponding section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Can you tell us which mouse it is? How many buttons?
As I said, having installed Ubuntu on numerous computers, I have yet
to see a mouse failing to work.
What I have seen though, is the xorg.conf file using /dev/mouse
instead of /dev/input/mice after running some configuration tool,
which I had to correct. Does that help in anyway?

Hervé.

From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 19:49:52 2006
From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:49:52 -0800
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612181416.05551.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<880dece00612181024v5875b7c0v85d65e41ab633863@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612181416.05551.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: 

For people without the memory to remember those cool key combos,
there's always the character map.

-- 
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From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Mon Dec 18 20:13:53 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:13:53 -0700
Subject: Configuring mice
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612181130k4d2aafcbk7498bd3d86a82568@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200612171820.02138.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612181322.58209.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<4413284c0612181130k4d2aafcbk7498bd3d86a82568@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612181313.53213.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Monday 18 December 2006 12:30, Hervé Fache wrote:
> On 12/18/06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati  wrote:
> 
>
> > What is needed is a tool like mousedrake, that asks you questions about
> > your mouse, and generates the coresponding section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>
> Can you tell us which mouse it is? How many buttons?
> As I said, having installed Ubuntu on numerous computers, I have yet
> to see a mouse failing to work.
> What I have seen though, is the xorg.conf file using /dev/mouse
> instead of /dev/input/mice after running some configuration tool,
> which I had to correct. Does that help in anyway?
you are going to need a program called imwheel it is in the universe repo
>
> Hervé.

-- 
Registered Linux Mangler #003
Some people lean from books
some people learn fro experience
and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence
Will Rodgers



From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 20:16:31 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:16:31 -0200
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <20061218163930.64581.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>
References: 
	<20061218163930.64581.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612181216s22ee5345nd62cbbfd3ef9cb1c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 046d:0892 Logitech, Inc.

That´s the one indeed. See:
http://listing.driveragent.com/usb/046d/?q=vendor+046d+0892&PHPSESSID=b3ea6185475eda25fd078616979566f3

> I'm not sure if the Logitech one is for my webcam, but
> why can't I use my webcam then? I searched the info
> about ACER Orbicam and it said that Ubuntu doesn't
> support the driver of the webcam yet.
> Maybe, it doesn't really work.

Usually Logitech use Philips components for their webcams, so the pwc
driver might support it. I have seen people reporting problems with
the pwc driver in Edgy though... See:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282748

HTH,
Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 20:23:23 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:23:23 -0200
Subject: [Edgy] Unable to access share folder dialogue
In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18cdd8230612171035n1b2b4998y4ae2673f896c1f8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612181223r2acb718i34adda9ed570b5ba@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have Samba installed?

Hervé.

On 12/17/06, Angus Prune  wrote:
> Hi,
>  I'm running a fresh install of Kubuntu 6.10 with all updates applied
> and just the restriced codecs installed.
>
> When I right click a folder (called 'Music' in 'Home'), goto
> Properties, Share, then click on 'Configfure File sharing' it asks for
> my sudo passowrd, which I enter then it shows the following dialogue.
>
> http://angusprune.googlepages.com/SharingError.png
>
> On my other edgy box this dialogue appears correctly, what do I need
> to do to get this working?
>
>
> James
>
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>

From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 20:36:55 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:36:55 -0200
Subject: broken language settings
In-Reply-To: <45840472.7080707@mindspin.de>
References: <45840472.7080707@mindspin.de>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612181236n18ec4abaode188d131da35ff7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/06, mwimmer at mindspin.de  wrote:

> dpkg-reconfigure locales or localeconf  gives my some perl errors about
> language settings


Looks like libc and locales do not agree. Did you not upgrade any
package to a later version?

Please check you /etc/apt/sources.list file, make sure the same
version of Ubuntu is mentioned in all lines. Then fake an upgrade:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -dy dist-upgrade

Nothing should happen... please report!
Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Mon Dec 18 20:40:51 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:40:51 -0200
Subject: Samba/netwprk printing
In-Reply-To: <9BE6CC64-B099-4980-8E02-F46F62201399@gmail.com>
References: <9BE6CC64-B099-4980-8E02-F46F62201399@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612181240g710b6042ya14d3b4c4b0a8b2f@mail.gmail.com>

The Kubuntu machine has the printer setup in CUPS?
CUPS is configured ot listen on your network (not just localhost?
hint: /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf)?
The laptop is using the IPP protocol to try and print?

Hervé.

On 12/16/06, Rodney Myers  wrote:
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> I'm running kubuntu edgy.
>
> I just got an apple laptop, and for the life of me I cannot get it to
> print to my kubuntu machine Is there anyplace that has a tutorial to
> get that working?
>
> Thanks
>
> - ---
> Rodney D. Myers 
> Registered Linux User #96112
> ICQ#:     AIM#:       YAHOO:
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From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de  Mon Dec 18 20:44:40 2006
From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Th. Amberger)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:44:40 +0100
Subject: editor for mp3
Message-ID: <200612182144.40527.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>

Hello,
 does anyone know a prog to cut mp3? I have recordings from internet-radio and 
will change the beginning and the ending with a fade in (-out) without 
transcoding the mp3. With windows i used mp3DirectCut but i found nothing for 
linux. I use kubuntu 6.10.
Now i use audacity but it transcodes the the file.

Thanks for a tip.
Thomas



	
		
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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 18 20:54:00 2006
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:54:00 -0500
Subject: System Settings changes in Edgy? sigh! [was kmenuedit missing]
In-Reply-To: <200611271755.37420.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
References: <456A8BFF.8050007@bresnan.net>
	<200611271755.37420.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

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It would appear that on Nov 27, Juan Carlos Torres did say:

> A lot of changes were made to System Settings in Edgy,
> most of which were to avoid duplication.

Sounds like a good idea. But this can make things hard for those who only
vaguely remember how to find their way to a rarely used function by
looking for something that sounds like it, in the place that has now
been determined to be a duplication...

> Editing the K Menu is more properly done by right-clicking
> on the K Menu icon and selecting the Menu Editor.

Oh no... The reason I chose KDE over gnome is that I absolutely can't
abide having to remember where and how to click with that annoying
rodent like pointing device... The keyboard is/was/"will always be" my
preferred command input device. 


With KDE I can usually use Alt+F1 and then use the cursor keys to
navigate the menu. Especially important to me when I don't happen to
remember the actual command name of the application to feed to the Alt+F2
run prompt.

Please tell me that Kubuntu isn't going to become so mouse focused that
I'll no longer feel comfortable with it... ( I started with breezy, then
used "apt-get dist-upgrade" to get dapper. But if right clicking on
things is now considered a more proper way to do things than using the
keyboard to get there, I'm suddenly not so sure I'm going to like making
the switch to edgy and/or beyond... sigh!)


> (The manual way is to press Alt+F2 and type in "kmenuedit").

This is good. Actually it's my favorite method when I know the command
name.  But how does one get a list of unfamiliar command names
(preferably with function descriptions) of programs traditionally started
from the kmenu? Especially those that have been removed in favor of mouse
based initialization??? 

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From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Sun Dec 17 02:30:42 2006
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (mattflaschen)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:30:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	
Message-ID: <7912657.post@talk.nabble.com>



Derek Broughton-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> When k3b says it can't open the device, click on the "Show debugging
> output"
> button - it's usually pretty obvious there what the problem is. 
> -- 
> derek
> 
> 

Yes, that's what finally worked for me.  In my case, I didn't have
permissions for /dev/sg0 .  I solved that elegantly (in my view) by creating
a burning group (as recommended by K3B):

$ sudo addgroup burning

Adding myself to it:

$ sudo usermod -a -G burning matthew

and setting the group of /dev/sg0 to burning:

$ sudo chgrp burning /dev/sg0

Then, if I want to give someone the ability to burn CDs, I can just do:

$sudo usermod -a -G burning someone
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/k3b-permissions-error-tf2771718.html#a7912657
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From sniffy at rogers.com  Mon Dec 18 21:28:22 2006
From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:28:22 -0500
Subject: amarok collection disappears when using mysql or postgres as
	collection db
Message-ID: <200612181628.22340.sniffy@rogers.com>

Hello all:

I'd like to store my amarok music collection in an external database. However, 
whenever I try to use either pgsql or mysql after a short period of time (< 
2hrs) the collection disappears from amarok. The data is however still in the 
database. I've asked the question on the amarok forums but haven't received a 
response yet.

I think this is specific to my environment as I know someone else who uses 
pgsql to store his collection (he's using FC though).

There is no other amarok process using this database.

thanks

-- chris



From maurograuso at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 21:40:21 2006
From: maurograuso at gmail.com (Mauro Grauso)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:40:21 +0100
Subject: editor for mp3
In-Reply-To: <200612182144.40527.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>
References: <200612182144.40527.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: 

Hello Thomas,

Try out cutmp3 (and if you want also xcutmp3 which is a frontend for it).

http://www.puchalla-online.de/cutmp3.html
http://www.puchalla-online.de/xcutmp3.html

You have to compile it from source or use the binary though, since I'm
now aware of any Ubuntu package (I may be wrong though).

Cheers,
Mauro

On 12/18/06, Th. Amberger  wrote:
> Hello,
>  does anyone know a prog to cut mp3? I have recordings from internet-radio and
> will change the beginning and the ending with a fade in (-out) without
> transcoding the mp3. With windows i used mp3DirectCut but i found nothing for
> linux. I use kubuntu 6.10.
> Now i use audacity but it transcodes the the file.
>
> Thanks for a tip.
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de
>
>
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>
>



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 21:58:29 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:58:29 +0200
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612181416.05551.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<880dece00612181024v5875b7c0v85d65e41ab633863@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612181416.05551.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00612181358t6e21d50eg6d542c24014dabe4@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> If that is the case, and he is using them only occasionally, I suggest
> enabling "compose key" I assigned the windows key as the compose_key.  Now I
> can enter é by typing in sequence win_key+e+'.  § is win_key+s+o.  Google
> compose key.  I don't have the URL right now, but there are two really good
> pages about this, both setting up and using.  If you need the URLs, write
> back and I will look them up again and post them.

Windows key, what's that? Do you mean that one there in the corner
with the image of a penguin on it?

Dotan Cohen

http://dotancohen.com/eng/movies.php
http://olnu.com

From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 18 22:16:45 2006
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:16:45 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: <200612171723.09338.claydoh@claydoh.com>
References: 
	<200612171723.09338.claydoh@claydoh.com>
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

It would appear that on Sun Dec 17 2006, claydoh did say:

> On Sunday 17 December 2006 12:50 pm, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > I'm having trouble as a normal user to access my usb scanner. This is
> > NOT a device I want reserved for sudoers...
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what I need to do to give scan permissions to ALL
> > normal users???
> >
> Snipped
> >
> > /etc/sane.d/artec_eplus48u.conf points at this firmware file
> >
> > => option artecFirmwareFile /usr/share/sane/artec_eplus48u/Artec48.usb
> >
> Do you actually have the firmware file copied over to the location
> specified, and the filename is spelled exactly as it is in the config
> file?  It can be found on the driver disk, or in a windows dir, probably
> c:\windows\system32\drivers

Yup. In fact I had this all working for normal users in breezy before I
did the "apt-get dist-upgrade" to dapper.

But now if I use my preferred front end {kooka} as my normal (and usual)
user I see the files from previous scans but most of kooka is grayed out
due to not finding the scanner.

Yet if I login to my sudo user account and sudo kooka, I get a _WORKING_
scanner. But of course none of my normal users previous scans are there.
and if I want my normal user to have access to the resulting scan I have
to cp or mv it, and chown it first...

Actually what I want to do is to let my girlfriend use kooka with her
login to scan her photos (which she can just about figure out how to do)
But no way is she ready for sudo...

But thanks for the suggestion. As I recall back when I 1st got sane
working in Fedora Core 1 the firmware file was the biggest problem.
Now however my scanner does work, but only with root privileges. 

   #############################################################
   ##_if_you'd_prefer_an_clearsigned_".asc"_text_file_of_this_##
   ##message_as_an_mime_encoded_attachment,just_ask_me_while__##
   ##it's_STILL_IN_my_outbox_folder_._._._=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+;-)_##
   #gpg sig for: Joe (theWordy) Philbrook DSA key ID 0x6C2163DE#
   # You can find my public gpg key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu/ #
   #############################################################
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFFhxL2RZ/61mwhY94RAtPaAJ4li2yc8uggdIfGeCxZxYKi1k5ZDQCgiDor
SsCC5mN6ZnpySsOI+QjfLWc=
=G2jP
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-- 
|    ^^^   ^^^
|       	     Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|	 ^    		  J(tWdy)P
|	___	       <>
|           
|      




From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 18 22:32:19 2006
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:32:19 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: <20061218011731.eba2a004.ed.lau@mail.ee>
References: 
	<20061218011731.eba2a004.ed.lau@mail.ee>
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

It would appear that on Dec 18, Ed Lau did say:
 
> > I'm having trouble as a normal user to access my usb scanner. This is
> > NOT a device I want reserved for sudoers... 
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me what I need to do to give scan permissions to ALL
> > normal users???
> 
> Perhaps is there same problem as described here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1421275
> 
> In other words - remove (or rename) the directory /etc/sane.d/dll.d
> 
> I hope, it helps...

Well since the scanner DOES work with root privileges, and the
permissions for that directory and it's one file only differed in write
permissions, I didn't think it could be the problem. But I tested the
theory by temporarily moving that directory to /root/tmp/ and trying to
access the scanner. With the same results, sudoer can, normal user CAN'T.
But thanks for the suggestion. 

   #############################################################
   ##_if_you'd_prefer_an_clearsigned_".asc"_text_file_of_this_##
   ##message_as_an_mime_encoded_attachment,just_ask_me_while__##
   ##it's_STILL_IN_my_outbox_folder_._._._=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+;-)_##
   #gpg sig for: Joe (theWordy) Philbrook DSA key ID 0x6C2163DE#
   # You can find my public gpg key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu/ #
   #############################################################
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFFhxayRZ/61mwhY94RArffAKDR7oTjGjmdyNO9kziyAzQaSX6ifwCgo1ae
7OxIWKgDSOe1fkxS2sNxGZc=
=sAAJ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-- 
|    ^^^   ^^^
|       	     Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|	 ^    		  J(tWdy)P
|	___	       <>
|      '   `




From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Mon Dec 18 23:28:12 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:28:12 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4587240C.6030306@optonline.net>

Neil Winchurst wrote:

>I am using kubuntu edgy.
>
>I am wondering how to get the correct spelling of some foreign words 
>that need an accent, eg words like cafe, fiancee which really need an 
>accent on the letter e. I can manage fine in OO writer but how about an 
>email client? Or how about when I am writing a blog in a browser? Can 
>anyone help please?
>
>Neil Winchurst
>
>  
>
Set your keyboard layout to US-Intl.
That´s what I use, and I write in English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.
¿ é ö û ç ñ à, etc., etc., are all quite easy to type.

Tony
http://www.baldwinlinguas.com




From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Mon Dec 18 23:29:50 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:29:50 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<4586CA91.6020508@yahoo.it>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4587246E.9050602@optonline.net>

Art Alexion wrote:

>On Monday 18 December 2006 12:06, Simone wrote:
>  
>
>>Neil Winchurst ha scritto:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>I am wondering how to get the correct spelling of some foreign words
>>>that need an accent, eg words like cafe, fiancee which really need an
>>>accent on the letter e. I can manage fine in OO writer but how about an
>>>email client? Or how about when I am writing a blog in a browser? Can
>>>anyone help please?
>>>      
>>>
>>If you search on the OOo writer help, you can find a guide to write
>>these special char under Linux. If you can't find it, read this link:
>>
>>http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/
>>    
>>
>
>I don't think he needs help entering the characters, but rather getting his 
>spellchecker to recognize them correctly.
>
>I can sympathize.  I use US-English dictionary.  The correct spelling is Café, 
>but my spellchecker says that is wrong and wants cafe, which is wrong.  Same 
>with résumé vs. resume.  Résumé is a curriculum vitae; resume means to start 
>again.
>
>It's annoying.
>
>  
>
It´s easy enough to alter the language/dictionary for a portion of text.
Right click, choose ¨character¨ and change the language.

tony
http://www.baldwinlinguas.com




From maye.co at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 01:01:33 2006
From: maye.co at gmail.com (. m 4 y 3 . c 0 .)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:01:33 -0500
Subject: editor for mp3
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612182144.40527.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>
	
Message-ID: <836caaeb0612181701v5c6c540el1e2667491c6da33e@mail.gmail.com>

mp3splt
mp3splt-gtk


MY



On 12/18/06, Mauro Grauso  wrote:
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
> Try out cutmp3 (and if you want also xcutmp3 which is a frontend for it).
>
> http://www.puchalla-online.de/cutmp3.html
> http://www.puchalla-online.de/xcutmp3.html
>
> You have to compile it from source or use the binary though, since I'm
> now aware of any Ubuntu package (I may be wrong though).
>
> Cheers,
> Mauro
>
> On 12/18/06, Th. Amberger  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >  does anyone know a prog to cut mp3? I have recordings from
> internet-radio and
> > will change the beginning and the ending with a fade in (-out) without
> > transcoding the mp3. With windows i used mp3DirectCut but i found
> nothing for
> > linux. I use kubuntu 6.10.
> > Now i use audacity but it transcodes the the file.
> >
> > Thanks for a tip.
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail:
> http://mail.yahoo.de
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
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From pkaplan1 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 19 01:44:03 2006
From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:44:03 -0500
Subject: guidance power manager
Message-ID: <200612182044.03485.pkaplan1@comcast.net>

It seems that the tray icon for guidance power manager is not loading (or 
crashing) in edgy if I'm running on a Thinkpad T43 battery power.  As a 
result I'm not able to suspend by closing the lid.

Am I alone?  Any help appreciated.
TIA
Paul



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Tue Dec 19 02:22:57 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:22:57 -0700
Subject: editor for mp3
In-Reply-To: <836caaeb0612181701v5c6c540el1e2667491c6da33e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200612182144.40527.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>
	
	<836caaeb0612181701v5c6c540el1e2667491c6da33e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612181922.57852.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Monday 18 December 2006 18:01, . m 4 y 3 . c 0 . wrote:
I like Audacity
you can do fantastic things with it 
> mp3splt
> mp3splt-gtk
>
>
> MY
>
> On 12/18/06, Mauro Grauso  wrote:
> > Hello Thomas,
> >
> > Try out cutmp3 (and if you want also xcutmp3 which is a frontend for it).
> >
> > http://www.puchalla-online.de/cutmp3.html
> > http://www.puchalla-online.de/xcutmp3.html
> >
> > You have to compile it from source or use the binary though, since I'm
> > now aware of any Ubuntu package (I may be wrong though).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mauro
> >
> > On 12/18/06, Th. Amberger  wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >  does anyone know a prog to cut mp3? I have recordings from
> >
> > internet-radio and
> >
> > > will change the beginning and the ending with a fade in (-out) without
> > > transcoding the mp3. With windows i used mp3DirectCut but i found
> >
> > nothing for
> >
> > > linux. I use kubuntu 6.10.
> > > Now i use audacity but it transcodes the the file.
> > >
> > > Thanks for a tip.
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________________________
> > > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo!
> > > Mail:
> >
> > http://mail.yahoo.de
> >
> > > --
> > > kubuntu-users mailing list
> > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> >
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > kubuntu-users mailing list
> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users



From lcurrie at calacademy.org  Tue Dec 19 03:13:27 2006
From: lcurrie at calacademy.org (Currie, Larry)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:13:27 -0800
Subject: Help Locating php5-dev
Message-ID: 

When I ran "sudo pecl install yaz" in order to install yaz on my Kubuntu
system running PHP 5.1.6, I got the following: Downloading yaz-1.0.7.tgz 5
source files, building

running: phpize

sh: phpize: not found

ERROR: 'phpize' failed

 

Do I need to find a package called php5-dev?  If so, can anyone point me
toward a site I can add to my sources.list? 

 

Thanks.

 

Larry

 

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From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 19 03:55:45 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:55:45 -0500
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612180818m61327359l114db799d1393547@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<4413284c0612180818m61327359l114db799d1393547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612182255.45976.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Monday 18 December 2006 11:18 am, Hervé Fache wrote:

> P.S.: Renaud, could you please let us know what hardware is not
> supported out of the box by Edgy on your motherboard?

Now that he's said he's trying to follow the instructions packaged with the CD 
that came with his motherboard, I'm really curious about this too.  My own 
experience has been that these module sources that come with bits of hardware 
are usually just an invitation to waste a lot of time building an old version 
of a driver that was long since incorporated into the kernel tree, and 
already exists, ready to modprobe and go.

I hate out of date and/or situation-inappropriate documentation.  It's the 
bane of Linuxdom.  So many hapless folks lead into torment for no good reason 
at all.  I've been the tormentee on many occasions.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 19 04:08:56 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:08:56 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4587240C.6030306@optonline.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<4587240C.6030306@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Monday 18 December 2006 6:28 pm, anthony baldwin wrote:

> Set your keyboard layout to US-Intl.
> That´s what I use, and I write in English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.
> ¿ é ö û ç ñ à, etc., etc., are all quite easy to type.

I use the Spanish layout, since I don't need Portuguese, and it covers Spanish 
and French very nicely, and switch back and forth, because the US 
International layout drives me up the wall.

Anyway, I haven't seen this spelled out very clearly yet.  If you don't want 
to fool with an alternative keyboard layout, there are two more friendly 
options.  If you want to dig through *all* the characters, you can use 
KCharSelect from the Utilities menu, which allows you to find characters and 
copy them to the clipboard.  If you have a handful of things you use fairly 
often, you can put them on the "Character Selector" taskbar applet.  I keep 
the © and ® there, for example.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From mariof2000 at videotron.ca  Tue Dec 19 04:11:52 2006
From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:11:52 -0500
Subject: Help Locating php5-dev
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <45876688.6010300@videotron.ca>

Currie, Larry a écrit :
>
> When I ran "sudo pecl install yaz" in order to install yaz on my 
> Kubuntu system running PHP 5.1.6, I got the following: Downloading 
> yaz-1.0.7.tgz 5 source files, building
>
> running: phpize
>
> sh: phpize: not found
>
> ERROR: 'phpize' failed
>
>  
>
> Do I need to find a package called php5-dev?  If so, can anyone point 
> me toward a site I can add to my sources.list?
>
>  
>
> Thanks.
>
>  
>
> *Larry*
>
>  
>
try backports

maybe this repo can help you

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted 
universe multiverse

mario




From claydoh at claydoh.com  Tue Dec 19 04:26:37 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:26:37 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: 
References: 	<20061218011731.eba2a004.ed.lau@mail.ee>
	
Message-ID: <458769FD.80208@claydoh.com>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
>>  hope, it helps...
>>     
>
> Well since the scanner DOES work with root privileges, and the
> permissions for that directory and it's one file only differed in write
> permissions, I didn't think it could be the problem. But I tested the
> theory by temporarily moving that directory to /root/tmp/ and trying to
> access the scanner. With the same results, sudoer can, normal user CAN'T.
> But thanks for the suggestion. 
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>   
I may have missed it, but can sudo *use* the scanner (as opposed to just 
access)?

One thing to try and check (I don't know why I didn't think of it  
before) is to see if the users are part of the group 'scanner" in System 
Settings' User section, as it sounds more like a group permissions thing 
rather than a file permission thing. Users should be part of the scanner 
group automatically, I think.

clay




From daniel at rimspace.net  Tue Dec 19 04:58:05 2006
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:58:05 +1100
Subject: Help Locating php5-dev
References: 
Message-ID: <8764c8qy76.fsf@rimspace.net>

"Currie, Larry"  writes:

> When I ran "sudo pecl install yaz" in order to install yaz on my
> Kubuntu system running PHP 5.1.6, I got the following: Downloading
> yaz-1.0.7.tgz 5 source files, building
>
> running: phpize
> sh: phpize: not found
> ERROR: 'phpize' failed
>
> Do I need to find a package called php5-dev?  

Yes.

> If so, can anyone point me toward a site I can add to my sources.list?

You should already have it there, since php5-dev is:

    Package: php5-dev
    Section: devel

It is part of main, so you should be able to get it installed with a
simple 'sudo aptitude install php5-dev' on a machine with the network
repositories turned on.

Regards,
        Daniel
-- 
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From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Tue Dec 19 09:41:51 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:41:51 +0000
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<4587240C.6030306@optonline.net>
	<200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <4587B3DF.6060901@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 6:28 pm, anthony baldwin wrote:
>
>   
>> Set your keyboard layout to US-Intl.
>> That´s what I use, and I write in English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.
>> ¿ é ö û ç ñ à, etc., etc., are all quite easy to type.
>>     
>
> I use the Spanish layout, since I don't need Portuguese, and it covers Spanish 
> and French very nicely, and switch back and forth, because the US 
> International layout drives me up the wall.
>
> Anyway, I haven't seen this spelled out very clearly yet.  If you don't want 
> to fool with an alternative keyboard layout, there are two more friendly 
> options.  If you want to dig through *all* the characters, you can use 
> KCharSelect from the Utilities menu, which allows you to find characters and 
> copy them to the clipboard.  If you have a handful of things you use fairly 
> often, you can put them on the "Character Selector" taskbar applet.  I keep 
> the © and ® there, for example.
>
>   
This last item appears to be something that I could use. I didn't know 
about the character selector applet, but I have now put it on the 
taskbar. I would want only a handful of characters so this should do for 
me. BUT, although I have found out how to put an individual character 
into my text (middle mouse button) I can't find out how to add extra 
ones to the sub-set. Can anyone tell me please?

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From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Tue Dec 19 09:54:52 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:54:52 +0000
Subject: Epson printer utilities
Message-ID: <4587B6EC.3070607@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

I use kubuntu Edgy.

I have an Epson inkjet printer. It works fine. When I go to use the
printer utilities via System Settings > Printers > Admin Mode >
Printer > Printer tools it finds my EPSON Inkjet. So I click on that and
see a set of utilities.

When I try to use one of the utilities, eg Ink Level, I get the error
message

Unsupported connection type: epson

This has left me baffled. Can anyone tell me what is wrong please?

Neil Winchurst





From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 10:33:58 2006
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:33:58 +0200
Subject: usb sl-modem driving me nuts
Message-ID: <4587C016.1000504@gmail.com>

I am trying to install a usb modem that uses the Smartlink sl-modem 
drivers (they actually provide them though compiling them go bust).

So I have followed advice from various threads and links all over 
ubuntuforums.org with no luck whatsoever, Kppp does not find the modem, 
modprobe slamr provide no output and modprobe slusb hangs.

lsusb gives this output;
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0483:7554 SGS Thomson Microelectronics 56k SoftModem

I tried the advice of this link;
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=137264&highlight=smartlink+usb+modem
with different package for my kernel but they don't compile. And yes, I 
have all the necessary packages for compiling.

have also tried this link;
http://tinyurl.com/vpjcd
without any luck....

anyone who tried this seemingly simple task? The system is Kubuntu 
Dapper 6.06.1

Sinclair



From almilis at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 11:13:54 2006
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:13:54 +0700
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
Message-ID: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I would like to know, on how to read OO.o files in
MS Office, especially the fonts.
May I know how to add Free Fonts to MS Office?

-- 
Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/



From diiar at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 19 12:54:34 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:54:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612181216s22ee5345nd62cbbfd3ef9cb1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <560033.24464.qm@web60715.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Hervé Fache  wrote:

> On 12/18/06, nutchanat sattayakawee
>  wrote:
> > Bus 005 Device 003: ID 046d:0892 Logitech, Inc.
> 
> That´s the one indeed. See:
>
http://listing.driveragent.com/usb/046d/?q=vendor+046d+0892&PHPSESSID=b3ea6185475eda25fd078616979566f3
> 
> > I'm not sure if the Logitech one is for my webcam,
> but
> > why can't I use my webcam then? I searched the
> info
> > about ACER Orbicam and it said that Ubuntu doesn't
> > support the driver of the webcam yet.
> > Maybe, it doesn't really work.
> 
> Usually Logitech use Philips components for their
> webcams, so the pwc
> driver might support it. I have seen people
> reporting problems with
> the pwc driver in Edgy though... See:
> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282748
> 
> HTH,
> Hervé.
Thanks a lot Herve. Finally, I can make my webcam work
although it doesn't exactly come from your solution.
Now I have another question. I tried to follow the
instruction that you gave me with pwc driver but it
didn't work. In the instruction, the final step was
"sudo depmod -a". I didn't do "sudo modprobe pwc".
Without doing that, Is pwc installed in my laptop? The
problem is I want to uninstall pwc from my laptop. So
I did "sudo modprobe -r pwc", but when I checked the
files /lib/modules/`uname
-r`/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc, hey are still the
same. How can I check if pwc is really uninstalled
from my laptop? I just want to make my laptop clean.

BTW, for the solution that I get my webcam worked is
to download gspca driver from
http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/gspcav1-20061216.tar.gz
and follow the instruction of installing at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Spca5xx but just
changed spca5xx by gspca. It's so great, isn't it? 

Diiar

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From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 13:17:06 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:17:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
Message-ID: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

Good morning,

I shutdown my computer last night and when I turned it on this morning I
have a red X through KMix and no sound.  When I click on KMix to open it
up, under Current Mixer: there is nothing.
Any help?


-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 19 13:23:16 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:23:16 -0200
Subject: built-in webcam
In-Reply-To: <560033.24464.qm@web60715.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <4413284c0612181216s22ee5345nd62cbbfd3ef9cb1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<560033.24464.qm@web60715.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612190523r53313524u6af8361e5e4589d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
> Thanks a lot Herve. Finally, I can make my webcam work
> although it doesn't exactly come from your solution.

First I should point out that it is not me who wrote these
instructions... but I did check they made sense before pointing them
to you ;-)

> Now I have another question. I tried to follow the
> instruction that you gave me with pwc driver but it
> didn't work. In the instruction, the final step was
> "sudo depmod -a". I didn't do "sudo modprobe pwc".
> Without doing that, Is pwc installed in my laptop? The
> problem is I want to uninstall pwc from my laptop. So
> I did "sudo modprobe -r pwc", but when I checked the
> files /lib/modules/`uname
> -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc, hey are still the
> same. How can I check if pwc is really uninstalled
> from my laptop? I just want to make my laptop clean.

The instructions lead you to overwrite the Edgy pwc module with a more
recent one. I think you can leave that alone (especially as you don't
seem to need it anyway!).

> BTW, for the solution that I get my webcam worked is
> to download gspca driver from
> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/gspcav1-20061216.tar.gz
> and follow the instruction of installing at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Spca5xx but just
> changed spca5xx by gspca. It's so great, isn't it?

Indeed, thanks for that information!

Enjoy,
Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 19 13:30:25 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:30:25 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612190530r57737bd5k2c3aa31b72dab530@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> I shutdown my computer last night and when I turned it on this morning I
> have a red X through KMix and no sound.

Driver modules not loaded I'd say...

Hervé.

From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 13:36:24 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:36:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612190530r57737bd5k2c3aa31b72dab530@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4413284c0612190530r57737bd5k2c3aa31b72dab530@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58967.198.105.65.197.1166535384.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>


> On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I shutdown my computer last night and when I turned it on this morning I
>> have a red X through KMix and no sound.
>
> Driver modules not loaded I'd say...
>
> Hervé.
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>
I rebooted again to see if that was the problem and the reboot didn't
solve the problem.  How would I go about determining if my driver modules
aren't loaded?  Also why would it just happen like this out of the blue?

-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 19 13:51:55 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:51:55 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <58967.198.105.65.197.1166535384.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4413284c0612190530r57737bd5k2c3aa31b72dab530@mail.gmail.com>
	<58967.198.105.65.197.1166535384.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612190551t673436f6rbd81ba717dc68403@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
> I rebooted again to see if that was the problem and the reboot didn't
> solve the problem.

Maybe shutdown completely and boot again might do it?

> How would I go about determining if my driver modules
> aren't loaded?

This should give you all relevant sound modules loaded on your system:
sudo lsmod | grep snd

> Also why would it just happen like this out of the blue?

Indeed this is weird.

Also, can you give us the output of lspci and lsusb, so we can find
out which drivers to load?

Thanks,
Hervé.

From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 13:57:48 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:57:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612190551t673436f6rbd81ba717dc68403@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4413284c0612190530r57737bd5k2c3aa31b72dab530@mail.gmail.com>
	<58967.198.105.65.197.1166535384.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4413284c0612190551t673436f6rbd81ba717dc68403@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54159.198.105.65.197.1166536668.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod | grep snd
snd_atiixp             21388  0
snd_atiixp_modem       17800  0
snd_ac97_codec         97696  2 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem
snd_ac97_bus            3456  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm_oss            47360  0
snd_mixer_oss          19584  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                84612  4
snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer              25348  1 snd_pcm
snd                    58372  7
snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore              11232  1 snd
snd_page_alloc         11400  3 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_pcm
jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$


> On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
>> I rebooted again to see if that was the problem and the reboot didn't
>> solve the problem.
>
> Maybe shutdown completely and boot again might do it?
>
>> How would I go about determining if my driver modules
>> aren't loaded?
>
> This should give you all relevant sound modules loaded on your system:
> sudo lsmod | grep snd
>
>> Also why would it just happen like this out of the blue?
>
> Indeed this is weird.
>
> Also, can you give us the output of lspci and lsusb, so we can find
> out which drivers to load?
>
> Thanks,
> Hervé.
> --
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>


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From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 19 14:01:50 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:01:50 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
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References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
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Darn, the drivers are there ok!
Can you 'ps -ef | grep arts', please?
Maybe also check in System Settings -> Sound (or whatever it's called)
what you are using as backend (ALSA, OSS, Arts, ...).

Hervé.

On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod | grep snd
> snd_atiixp             21388  0
> snd_atiixp_modem       17800  0
> snd_ac97_codec         97696  2 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem
> snd_ac97_bus            3456  1 snd_ac97_codec
> snd_pcm_oss            47360  0
> snd_mixer_oss          19584  1 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm                84612  4
> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_timer              25348  1 snd_pcm
> snd                    58372  7
> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
> soundcore              11232  1 snd
> snd_page_alloc         11400  3 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_pcm
> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$
>
>
> > On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
> >> I rebooted again to see if that was the problem and the reboot didn't
> >> solve the problem.
> >
> > Maybe shutdown completely and boot again might do it?
> >
> >> How would I go about determining if my driver modules
> >> aren't loaded?
> >
> > This should give you all relevant sound modules loaded on your system:
> > sudo lsmod | grep snd
> >
> >> Also why would it just happen like this out of the blue?
> >
> > Indeed this is weird.
> >
> > Also, can you give us the output of lspci and lsusb, so we can find
> > out which drivers to load?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hervé.
> > --
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> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
>
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>

From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 14:14:54 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:14:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612190601j607223f0q2a54d7b3a08154b3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<54159.198.105.65.197.1166536668.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
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Message-ID: <24241.198.105.65.197.1166537694.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

Thanks so much for your quick response and help, IRC is blocked here at
work :(

jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$ ps -ef | grep arts
jjesse    4737  4695  0 08:12 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S
4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
jjesse    5844  5720  0 09:05 pts/1    00:00:00 grep arts
jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$

Under System Settings -> Sound -> Hardware the audio device is set to
Autodetect, which I haven't made any changes to that I'm aware of.  Should
I try one of the other drop down selections?  Also I noticed this section
doesn't have an Adminstrator section that gives me root access shouldn't
there be???

Thanks again,

Jonathan
> Darn, the drivers are there ok!
> Can you 'ps -ef | grep arts', please?
> Maybe also check in System Settings -> Sound (or whatever it's called)
> what you are using as backend (ALSA, OSS, Arts, ...).
>
> Hervé.
>
> On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
>> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod | grep snd
>> snd_atiixp             21388  0
>> snd_atiixp_modem       17800  0
>> snd_ac97_codec         97696  2 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem
>> snd_ac97_bus            3456  1 snd_ac97_codec
>> snd_pcm_oss            47360  0
>> snd_mixer_oss          19584  1 snd_pcm_oss
>> snd_pcm                84612  4
>> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
>> snd_timer              25348  1 snd_pcm
>> snd                    58372  7
>> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
>> soundcore              11232  1 snd
>> snd_page_alloc         11400  3 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_pcm
>> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$
>>
>>
>> > On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
>> >> I rebooted again to see if that was the problem and the reboot didn't
>> >> solve the problem.
>> >
>> > Maybe shutdown completely and boot again might do it?
>> >
>> >> How would I go about determining if my driver modules
>> >> aren't loaded?
>> >
>> > This should give you all relevant sound modules loaded on your system:
>> > sudo lsmod | grep snd
>> >
>> >> Also why would it just happen like this out of the blue?
>> >
>> > Indeed this is weird.
>> >
>> > Also, can you give us the output of lspci and lsusb, so we can find
>> > out which drivers to load?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Hervé.
>> > --
>> > kubuntu-users mailing list
>> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Jesse
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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>>
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>>
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From nalon at terra.com.br  Tue Dec 19 14:19:44 2006
From: nalon at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-15?q?Jos=E9_Alexandre_Nalon?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:19:44 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <54159.198.105.65.197.1166536668.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4413284c0612190551t673436f6rbd81ba717dc68403@mail.gmail.com>
	<54159.198.105.65.197.1166536668.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200612191219.44392.nalon@terra.com.br>

Greetings,

> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod | grep snd
> snd_atiixp             21388  0
> snd_atiixp_modem       17800  0
> snd_ac97_codec         97696  2 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem
> snd_ac97_bus            3456  1 snd_ac97_codec
> snd_pcm_oss            47360  0
> snd_mixer_oss          19584  1 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm                84612  4
> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_timer              25348  1 snd_pcm
> snd                    58372  7
> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pc
>m,snd_timer soundcore              11232  1 snd
> snd_page_alloc         11400  3 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_pcm
> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$

Is your laptop, by any chance, a Toshiba Satellite? I ask this
because I have one and I frequently get this problem. Usually,
turning off the computer and starting it again solves it.

-- 
José Alexandre Nalon
nalon at terra.com.br



From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 14:24:38 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:24:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <200612191219.44392.nalon@terra.com.br>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4413284c0612190551t673436f6rbd81ba717dc68403@mail.gmail.com>
	<54159.198.105.65.197.1166536668.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<200612191219.44392.nalon@terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <19625.198.105.65.197.1166538278.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>


> Greetings,
>
>> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod | grep snd
>> snd_atiixp             21388  0
>> snd_atiixp_modem       17800  0
>> snd_ac97_codec         97696  2 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem
>> snd_ac97_bus            3456  1 snd_ac97_codec
>> snd_pcm_oss            47360  0
>> snd_mixer_oss          19584  1 snd_pcm_oss
>> snd_pcm                84612  4
>> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
>> snd_timer              25348  1 snd_pcm
>> snd                    58372  7
>> snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pc
>>m,snd_timer soundcore              11232  1 snd
>> snd_page_alloc         11400  3 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_pcm
>> jjesse at jjesse-laptop:~$
>
> Is your laptop, by any chance, a Toshiba Satellite? I ask this
> because I have one and I frequently get this problem. Usually,
> turning off the computer and starting it again solves it.
>
> --
> José Alexandre Nalon
> nalon at terra.com.br
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>
Yes it is a Toshiba Satellite A75.  Do you have suspend working on yours?

-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From nalon at terra.com.br  Tue Dec 19 14:38:11 2006
From: nalon at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Alexandre_Nalon?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:38:11 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <19625.198.105.65.197.1166538278.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<200612191219.44392.nalon@terra.com.br>
	<19625.198.105.65.197.1166538278.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200612191238.11694.nalon@terra.com.br>

Greetings,

> Yes it is a Toshiba Satellite A75.  Do you have suspend working on yours?

The same as mine. I actually have two of them, and there are
some things that doesn't work well. The sound problem usually
happens no matter if I choose to boot Linux or Windows, so I
think it might be a problem with the hardware -- the sound
board probably is not initialized. I don't know much of the
process and don't know if there is an easy solution to this.
I don't get the problem too often, though.

Suspend (or hibernate) also doesn't work. I have already
tried a lot of things and I can't get it to work properly.
I can't get infrared to work also. The rest works without
flaws (including the card reader).

Despite these little problems, Linux work great on the machine.
These features I seldom use (except for sound) and wouldn't
find out about the infrared if I hadn't acquired a Palm that
can use the interface.

-- 
José Alexandre Nalon
nalon at terra.com.br



From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 15:00:02 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:00:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <200612191238.11694.nalon@terra.com.br>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<200612191219.44392.nalon@terra.com.br>
	<19625.198.105.65.197.1166538278.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<200612191238.11694.nalon@terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <54758.198.105.65.197.1166540402.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>


> Greetings,
>
>> Yes it is a Toshiba Satellite A75.  Do you have suspend working on
>> yours?
>
> The same as mine. I actually have two of them, and there are
> some things that doesn't work well. The sound problem usually
> happens no matter if I choose to boot Linux or Windows, so I
> think it might be a problem with the hardware -- the sound
> board probably is not initialized. I don't know much of the
> process and don't know if there is an easy solution to this.
> I don't get the problem too often, though.
>
> Suspend (or hibernate) also doesn't work. I have already
> tried a lot of things and I can't get it to work properly.
> I can't get infrared to work also. The rest works without
> flaws (including the card reader).
>
> Despite these little problems, Linux work great on the machine.
> These features I seldom use (except for sound) and wouldn't
> find out about the infrared if I hadn't acquired a Palm that
> can use the interface.
>
> --
> José Alexandre Nalon
> nalon at terra.com.br
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>

Hmm powered down the laptop and let it sit for a bit and powerd it backup
and thngs work great.  Thanks for the help on troubleshooting it
-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 15:11:09 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:11:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: question on dual monitors?
Message-ID: <10067.198.105.65.197.1166541069.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>

Is there an easy to understand how to on how to enable dual monitor
support my laptop?
What I would like is to be able to have dual monitors whenever the extra
monitor is connected and single when I just my screen.  Is this possible?


-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From claydoh at claydoh.com  Tue Dec 19 15:23:17 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:23:17 -0500
Subject: Epson printer utilities
In-Reply-To: <4587B6EC.3070607@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <4587B6EC.3070607@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612191023.33043.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 4:54 am, Neil Winchurst wrote:
> I use kubuntu Edgy.
>
> I have an Epson inkjet printer. It works fine. When I go to use the
> printer utilities via System Settings > Printers > Admin Mode >
> Printer > Printer tools it finds my EPSON Inkjet. So I click on that and
> see a set of utilities.
>
> When I try to use one of the utilities, eg Ink Level, I get the error
> message
>
> Unsupported connection type: epson
>
> This has left me baffled. Can anyone tell me what is wrong please?
>
> Neil Winchurst
You need to install the epson printer utility called escputil
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 19 15:40:02 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:40:02 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4587B3DF.6060901@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<4587B3DF.6060901@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612191040.02259.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 4:41 am, Neil Winchurst wrote:

> into my text (middle mouse button) I can't find out how to add extra
> ones to the sub-set. Can anyone tell me please?

I read this as "How do I add extra characters to the taskbar applet?"

If you hover over it, a little "grab bar" should appear (appearance and 
behavior varies with your KDE widget set).  Right click the grab bar and 
choose "Configure Character Selector" to yield a very simple dialog that 
allows you to enter and remove characters as desired.  Use KCharSelect to 
find the characters and paste them into this.

Sorry if I didn't answer the question you intended.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 19 16:01:47 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:01:47 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <54758.198.105.65.197.1166540402.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<200612191219.44392.nalon@terra.com.br>
	<19625.198.105.65.197.1166538278.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<200612191238.11694.nalon@terra.com.br>
	<54758.198.105.65.197.1166540402.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612190801led322ft9b1212040a8eb6e4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
> Hmm powered down the laptop and let it sit for a bit and powerd it backup
> and thngs work great.  Thanks for the help on troubleshooting it

A pain that we couldn't fix the problem. I suppose your only chance is
a BIOS update, as even Toshiba themselves did not fix it in their
Windows drivers.

Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Tue Dec 19 16:05:35 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:05:35 -0200
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <10067.198.105.65.197.1166541069.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <10067.198.105.65.197.1166541069.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612190805o2669f306we97effd0f511a89c@mail.gmail.com>

It's me again!

On 12/19/06, Jonathan Jesse  wrote:
> Is there an easy to understand how to on how to enable dual monitor
> support my laptop?
> What I would like is to be able to have dual monitors whenever the extra
> monitor is connected and single when I just my screen.  Is this possible?

It is possible, you want to look for 'xinerama' options. I don't know
much more about it, but maybe System Settings has some option under
that (a bit esoteric) name? Otherwise, GIYF.

Hervé.

From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Tue Dec 19 16:26:31 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:26:31 +0000
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612191040.02259.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>	<4587B3DF.6060901@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612191040.02259.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <458812B7.2040905@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 December 2006 4:41 am, Neil Winchurst wrote:
>
>   
>> into my text (middle mouse button) I can't find out how to add extra
>> ones to the sub-set. Can anyone tell me please?
>>     
>
> I read this as "How do I add extra characters to the taskbar applet?"
>
> If you hover over it, a little "grab bar" should appear (appearance and 
> behavior varies with your KDE widget set).  Right click the grab bar and 
> choose "Configure Character Selector" to yield a very simple dialog that 
> allows you to enter and remove characters as desired.  Use KCharSelect to 
> find the characters and paste them into this.
>
> Sorry if I didn't answer the question you intended.
>
>   
Yes that is what I meant. I had already found the 'Configure Character 
Selector' option. However it was not obvious how I could add or delete 
any characters in the list. I have now removed some that I don't want 
and added some that I do. Now I can easily include such words as fiancée 
or café and even garçon. I have also included ¼, ½ and ¾. There is 
plenty of choice and it is so easy and just what I was looking for. 
Thanks for all the help

Neil Winchurst
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From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Tue Dec 19 16:30:46 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:30:46 +0000
Subject: Epson printer utilities
In-Reply-To: <200612191023.33043.claydoh@claydoh.com>
References: <4587B6EC.3070607@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612191023.33043.claydoh@claydoh.com>
Message-ID: <458813B6.3070104@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

claydoh wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 December 2006 4:54 am, Neil Winchurst wrote:
>   
>> I use kubuntu Edgy.
>>
>> I have an Epson inkjet printer. It works fine. When I go to use the
>> printer utilities via System Settings > Printers > Admin Mode >
>> Printer > Printer tools it finds my EPSON Inkjet. So I click on that and
>> see a set of utilities.
>>
>> When I try to use one of the utilities, eg Ink Level, I get the error
>> message
>>
>> Unsupported connection type: epson
>>
>> This has left me baffled. Can anyone tell me what is wrong please?
>>
>> Neil Winchurst
>>     
> You need to install the epson printer utility called escputil
>   
I have already done that and I am using it. However it doesn't have any 
effect on the utilities referred to above. I still get the same error 
message. However it doesn't matter now of course, I will just use escputil.

Thanks

Neil Winchurst
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From vayu at sklinks.com  Tue Dec 19 16:57:52 2006
From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:57:52 -0800
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <10067.198.105.65.197.1166541069.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <10067.198.105.65.197.1166541069.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <45881A10.6070609@sklinks.com>

Which video card do you have?

I have an ATI and installed the fglrx driver and the fglrx control 
utility. With the fglrx driver it worked automatically without doing 
anything to xorg. The machine is running Dapper. It did it using Breezy 
too.

In Breezy I could use the control program to switch between clone and 
extended desktop modes. I updated the Driver to a compiled one and the 
control program broke. I can still use clone mode just by booting up 
with the second monitor plugged in and turned on, that allows me to use 
it on a projector at meetings. (nobody's commented on the wobbly windows 
yet :)






Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> Is there an easy to understand how to on how to enable dual monitor
> support my laptop?
> What I would like is to be able to have dual monitors whenever the extra
> monitor is connected and single when I just my screen.  Is this possible?
>
>
>   




From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 17:40:13 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:40:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <45881A10.6070609@sklinks.com>
References: <10067.198.105.65.197.1166541069.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<45881A10.6070609@sklinks.com>
Message-ID: <45973.198.105.65.197.1166550013.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>


> Which video card do you have?
>
> I have an ATI and installed the fglrx driver and the fglrx control
> utility. With the fglrx driver it worked automatically without doing
> anything to xorg. The machine is running Dapper. It did it using Breezy
> too.
>
> In Breezy I could use the control program to switch between clone and
> extended desktop modes. I updated the Driver to a compiled one and the
> control program broke. I can still use clone mode just by booting up
> with the second monitor plugged in and turned on, that allows me to use
> it on a projector at meetings. (nobody's commented on the wobbly windows
> yet :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jonathan Jesse wrote:
>> Is there an easy to understand how to on how to enable dual monitor
>> support my laptop?
>> What I would like is to be able to have dual monitors whenever the extra
>> monitor is connected and single when I just my screen.  Is this
>> possible?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>

Thanks for the help, according to System Settings -> Monitor & Display ->
Hardware I am using as the graphics card: ati and the driver: ati.

is it as simple as apt-get install fglrx and fglrx-control?
-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From jjesse at iserv.net  Tue Dec 19 17:51:45 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:51:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: question on dual monitors?
Message-ID: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>


> Which video card do you have?
>
> I have an ATI and installed the fglrx driver and the fglrx control
> utility. With the fglrx driver it worked automatically without doing
> anything to xorg. The machine is running Dapper. It did it using Breezy
> too.
>
> In Breezy I could use the control program to switch between clone and
> extended desktop modes. I updated the Driver to a compiled one and the
> control program broke. I can still use clone mode just by booting up
> with the second monitor plugged in and turned on, that allows me to use
> it on a projector at meetings. (nobody's commented on the wobbly windows
> yet :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jonathan Jesse wrote:
>> Is there an easy to understand how to on how to enable dual monitor
>> support my laptop?
>> What I would like is to be able to have dual monitors whenever the extra
>> monitor is connected and single when I just my screen.  Is this
>> possible?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>

Thanks for the help, according to System Settings -> Dispaly & Montitor
under the Hardware section the Driver is ati and the Graphics card is ati.
 Is it as simple as apt-get isntall flglrx and flgrx-control?
-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From vayu at sklinks.com  Tue Dec 19 18:12:56 2006
From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:12:56 -0800
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <45882BA8.1080207@sklinks.com>

Jonathan Jesse wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help, according to System Settings -> Dispaly & Montitor
> under the Hardware section the Driver is ati and the Graphics card is ati.
>  Is it as simple as apt-get isntall flglrx and flgrx-control?
>   

The fglrx driver itself is in the linux-restricted-modules.

So you'll have to find out your kernel version using:
uname -r

Then install the linux-restricted-modules for that kernel. Also install 
fglrx-control.

You can use apt-get, synaptic, adept or any of the package managers.

Then you'll have to change an entry in your /etx/X11/xorg.conf file.

There'll be an entry for the video device that will probably be set to 
ati that you will change to fglrx.

This is an overview off the top of my head. I believe there is a step by 
step page on the wiki.


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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Tue Dec 19 08:37:28 2006
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:37:28 -0300
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612171035.52084.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612190537.28941.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Monday 18 December 2006 01:24, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Tez  who wrote:

> To get the source ready to be compiled against it has to be, at least
> partially, compiled.

How do I do this ?
 
TIA,
 
Ron.
--
                     It is impossible to defend perfectly
                 against the attack of those who want to die.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --



From diiar at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 19 19:18:09 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:18:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: output audio
Message-ID: <930850.92443.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I have a bit annoying that I don't understand the
settings of output audio device. When I open KMix, in
the tab output, I can see PCM, Front, PC Speaker and
so on. The problem is when I listen to the songs or
sth, I have to move PCM and Front to adjust the
volume. I don't understand why these two and not PC
Speaker. Moreover, I have a hotkey for adjusting the
volume (Fn + volume up) but it adjusts for PC Speaker.
Then there has no change with the sound volume because
PC Speaker isn't used, but PCM and Front instead.
Could anyone explain me this? Is it the same in your
system?
Another problem is why I can't use 2 audio output
programs at the same time, for example, I can't use
Amarok when I'm talking in Skype and vice versa. It
just says problem with audio device, sth like that.
This could be done when I used Windows. Should I
configure something more?

Thank you in advance for your helps.
Diiar

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 20:38:16 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:38:16 +0200
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <458812B7.2040905@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<4587B3DF.6060901@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612191040.02259.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<458812B7.2040905@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/06, Neil Winchurst  wrote:
>  Yes that is what I meant. I had already found the 'Configure Character
> Selector' option. However it was not obvious how I could add or delete any
> characters in the list. I have now removed some that I don't want and added
> some that I do. Now I can easily include such words as fiancée or café and
> even garçon. I have also included ¼, ½ and ¾. There is plenty of choice and
> it is so easy and just what I was looking for. Thanks for all the help
>
>  Neil Winchurst
>

Neil, if you are going to use those characters then I suggest that you
make sure that others can see them. Don't send email in HTML, and make
sure that you use utf-8 encoding. Any other encoding wil depend upon
the recipricant using the same encoding, a requirement that is out of
your hands. If you need help in setting up your email client properly,
ask here. Be sure to mention which email client you use, and the
output of the "locale" command.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/webpage.html
http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/what_is_a_cellphone.html

From art.alexion at verizon.net  Tue Dec 19 21:50:25 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:50:25 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612181358t6e21d50eg6d542c24014dabe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612181416.05551.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<880dece00612181358t6e21d50eg6d542c24014dabe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612191650.26100.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Monday 18 December 2006 16:58, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 18/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> > If that is the case, and he is using them only occasionally, I suggest
> > enabling "compose key" I assigned the windows key as the compose_key. 
> > Now I can enter é by typing in sequence win_key+e+'.  § is win_key+s+o. 
> > Google compose key.  I don't have the URL right now, but there are two
> > really good pages about this, both setting up and using.  If you need the
> > URLs, write back and I will look them up again and post them.
>
> Windows key, what's that? Do you mean that one there in the corner
> with the image of a penguin on it?

No.  That would be the "Tux_key"

-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Tue Dec 19 21:53:47 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:53:47 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4586E74E.7070109@googlemail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4586E74E.7070109@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Monday 18 December 2006 14:09, SteVe Cook wrote:
> Café and résumé are both recognised in Thunderbird with a GB-English
> dictionary

Not surprising as GB is almost part of Europe.  We, on the other side of the 
Atlantic can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't just learn 
to "speak American" ;-)
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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From vayu at sklinks.com  Tue Dec 19 22:04:38 2006
From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:04:38 -0800
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
In-Reply-To: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458861F6.9070402@sklinks.com>

Ali Milis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know, on how to read OO.o files in
> MS Office, especially the fonts.
> May I know how to add Free Fonts to MS Office?
>
>   
I believe you could just drag the ones you want to the windows font 
directory. Window will automatically install them.

You'll have to find them in your Kubuntu system. I did a locate and 
found most everything is in directories off of /var/lib/defoma on my system.





From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com  Tue Dec 19 22:09:19 2006
From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (SteVe Cook)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:09:19 +0000
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>	<4586E74E.7070109@googlemail.com>
	<200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4588630F.4040604@googlemail.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 14:09, SteVe Cook wrote:
>> Café and résumé are both recognised in Thunderbird with a GB-English
>> dictionary
> 
> Not surprising as GB is almost part of Europe.  We, on the other side of the 
> Atlantic can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't just learn 
> to "speak American" ;-)
> 
Lyk wot george dus :-D

SteVe



From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Tue Dec 19 22:13:09 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:13:09 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612181256.31140.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4586E74E.7070109@googlemail.com>
	<200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <458863F5.1080300@optonline.net>

Art Alexion wrote:

> We, on the other side of the 
>Atlantic can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't just learn 
>to "speak American" ;-)
>  
>
I understand...English is very difficult (whether American or British).
some even say it´s an ugly language, but there I have to disagree...
I mean...Shakespeare, Donne, Wordsworth, TS Eliot...many other writers...
English is a beautiful, and very complex language...
Now, many say French is the sexiest language...I do like French, c´est 
magnifique,
le français, mais, la langue de l´amour?  je crois que non...
Those who insist it is the sexiest, just haven´t heard a Brasileira 
speaking Portuguese
(Não tem mulher mais sexy no mundo do que uma brasileira, não).
Of course, Spanish is spoken all over the world, too, and even 10% of 
the US population speak it.
when my wife first came to the US (from Brazil, of course) she first 
learned Spanish, because it was
so much easier to learn than English, and in these large metropolitan 
areas of Boston and NYC,
you can get by just fine with just Spanish...(Yes, she does speak 
English, now, too, but she HATES it!
which is why we speak portugues at home.  We spoke Spanish, though, 
until I began to learn portuguese).
And Spanish, too, is a beaufitul language. 
Y nadie puede negar que las latinas son muy guapas, también...
Basta...enough off-topic babbling on my part...Desculpa...

tony





From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Dec 19 23:54:20 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:54:20 +0000
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <200612190537.28941.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>	<200612171035.52084.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>	<458617E1.8010409@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<200612190537.28941.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <45887BAC.1090507@blueyonder.co.uk>

Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 01:24, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>  from Tez  who wrote:
>
>   
>> To get the source ready to be compiled against it has to be, at least
>> partially, compiled.
>>     
>
> How do I do this ?
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Ron.
> --
>                      It is impossible to defend perfectly
>                  against the attack of those who want to die.
>                                     
>                    -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
>   

A way you can do it, but I'm sure it's not a recommended one, is to
start the compile (there's howtos on the net) then wait until you see
version.h then hit Ctrl-C Then you should be able to compile against it.
Having said that, I have to ask, why don't you just use the kernel headers?

Tez





From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 19 23:21:57 2006
From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:21:57 -0500
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <45882BA8.1080207@sklinks.com>
References: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<45882BA8.1080207@sklinks.com>
Message-ID: <200612191821.57509.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>

I just went through weeks long troubleshooting with video cards and dual 
monitors starting with Dapper then on Edgy.  If you have a laptop (or 
desktop) with ATI Xpress 200M--apparently a fairly common card--then you will 
need to go through some steps.

With ATI Xpress 200M: If you are running Dapper, you must download and compile 
ATI fglrx driver ver 8.24.8.  If you are running Edgy, then you must download 
and compile ver. 8.32.5.  Other versions/distribution combinations will not 
run properly.

For all ATI cards, open a console, and type the command:

fglrxinfo

If you get ATI information, you are good to go--if you get VESA information, 
then your fglrx driver is not installed properly.


For ATI users, fglrx must be installed and working properly to enable full 
dual monitor capabilities.  Even after that, the ATI control panel may not 
operate properly, you may have to manually configure xorg.conf as I have 
done.  For the several options that exist for dual monitor setup, depending 
upon your hardware, start with this thread:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174

If you need to discuss ATI Xpress 200M video cards more, I will be happy to 
walk you through it--I've done it twice now--painful for a new linux user.

Larry Hartman

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 13:12, Vayu wrote:
> Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> > Thanks for the help, according to System Settings -> Dispaly & Montitor
> > under the Hardware section the Driver is ati and the Graphics card is
> > ati. Is it as simple as apt-get isntall flglrx and flgrx-control?
>
> The fglrx driver itself is in the linux-restricted-modules.
>
> So you'll have to find out your kernel version using:
> uname -r
>
> Then install the linux-restricted-modules for that kernel. Also install
> fglrx-control.
>
> You can use apt-get, synaptic, adept or any of the package managers.
>
> Then you'll have to change an entry in your /etx/X11/xorg.conf file.
>
> There'll be an entry for the video device that will probably be set to
> ati that you will change to fglrx.
>
> This is an overview off the top of my head. I believe there is a step by
> step page on the wiki.



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Wed Dec 20 00:31:38 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:31:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
In-Reply-To: <458861F6.9070402@sklinks.com>
Message-ID: <777624.48994.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Vayu  wrote:

> Ali Milis wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to know, on how to read OO.o files in
> > MS Office, especially the fonts.
> > May I know how to add Free Fonts to MS Office?
> >
> >   
> I believe you could just drag the ones you want to
> the windows font 
> directory. Window will automatically install them.
> 
> You'll have to find them in your Kubuntu system. I
> did a locate an
> found most everything is in directories off of
> /var/lib/defoma on my system.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> 
If you want Adobe type one fonts to work in MS Office
in windows  you might consider installing the Adobe
Type Manager for windows.

This is descendant/relative of the OS/2 Adobe type
Manager for WinOS2 and works well and installs fonts
easily and well. On OS2 I used it with MS Office 4.3 
and with Office 95 under ODIN (a relative of wine) I
did at one time also have it installed in Win95
OSR2.5.(that's the last windows I bought)
We're a Graphics Shop  we have used thousands of Adobe
fonts in MS Office this way. (ATM)

If you want them in wine, I'd have to defer or do some
reading :-)  I Use CrossoverStandard there is a GUI
means to do that  in
Applications/Crossover/Configuration on Ubuntu and
similiar in the KDE menu.


As Far AS Reading MS office files in OO.org. I
recommend saving them as Rich Text files. These will
read quite true in formatting.

Again I'm not sure if wine is much different than
Crossover here, but We still use Office 97 on Kubuntu
and have no trouble with most of the fonts Ubuntu
uses.
Hope this helps.

Bryann



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 03:01:27 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:01:27 -0600
Subject: VNC Question
Message-ID: <200612192101.27534.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

I have a desktop running exactly the same version of software as my laptop. 

I run:
vncserver -geometry 1024x768
on the desktop, which produces the following:
vncserver -geometry 1024x768

New 'homepc:1 (root)' desktop is homepc:1

Creating default startup script /root/.vnc/xstartup
Starting applications specified in /root/.vnc/xstartup
Log file is /root/.vnc/homepc:1.log

Now the above mentioned log has this:

Xvnc Free Edition 4.1.1
Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd.
See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC.
Underlying X server release 70000000, The X.Org Foundation


Tue Dec 19 20:35:58 2006
 vncext:      VNC extension running!
 vncext:      Listening for VNC connections on port 5901
 vncext:      created VNC server for screen 0
error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
Could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts/TTF/, removing from 
list!
Could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts/OTF, removing from list!
Could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from 
list!

Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'
xsetroot:  unable to open display 'homepc:1'
/root/.vnc/xstartup: 12: twm: not found
vncconfig: unable to open display "homepc:1"
Warning: This program is an suid-root program or is being run by the root 
user.
The full text of the error or warning message cannot be safely formatted
in this environment. You may get a more descriptive message by running the
program as a non-root user or by removing the suid bit on the executable.
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s

So, I run it as normal user.
homepc::~$vncserver -geometry 1024x768

New 'homepc:1 (userid)' desktop is homepc:1

Creating default startup script /home/userid/.vnc/xstartup
Starting applications specified in /home/userid/.vnc/xstartup
Log file is /home/userid/.vnc/homepc:1.log

Ok, check log mentioned above:
Xvnc Free Edition 4.1.1
Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd.
See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC.
Underlying X server release 70000000, The X.Org Foundation


Tue Dec 19 20:47:22 2006
 vncext:      VNC extension running!
 vncext:      Listening for VNC connections on port 5901
 vncext:      created VNC server for screen 0
error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
Could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts/TTF/, removing from 
list!
Could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts/OTF, removing from list!
Could not init font path element /usr/share/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from 
list!

Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'
xsetroot:  unable to open display 'homepc:1'
/home/userid/.vnc/xstartup: 12: twm: not found
vncconfig: unable to open display "homepc:1"
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: homepc:1

The question is, how can I get it to open, or be able to open this port?

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 20 03:09:01 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:09:01 -0500
Subject: Compiling drivers
In-Reply-To: <45887BAC.1090507@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200612162028.13532.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<200612190537.28941.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<45887BAC.1090507@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612192209.01854.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 6:54 pm, Tez wrote:

> version.h then hit Ctrl-C Then you should be able to compile against it.
> Having said that, I have to ask, why don't you just use the kernel headers?

I don't recommend ever trying to compile a kernel the old fashioned way on a 
Debian-based system.  Ignore all the generic instructions, and make friends 
with kernel-package.

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

If you need to build a third-party module, another handy Debian utility is 
module-assistant.  I'm not completely sure it will work for modules sources 
that don't come as Debian packages, but it might be possible.

This stuff is really very good.  I have to build my own kernels, because stock 
kernels on most distros in this day and age are completely useless for Linux 
audio and MIDI.  kernel-package and module-assistant are good friends.

Having said that, I don't think Renaud actually needs to do *any* of this.  
Chances are the driver on that CD is out of date anyway, and he already has a 
newer one in the stock kernel.  He should assume this is the case until he 
can prove he *really* needs to bother with compiling anything.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 20 03:13:13 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:13:13 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<458812B7.2040905@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 3:38 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> Neil, if you are going to use those characters then I suggest that you
> make sure that others can see them. Don't send email in HTML, and make
> sure that you use utf-8 encoding.

I love KMail.  I didn't even notice that message was in HTML.  It also sends 
messages in whatever encoding is necessary by default, so it will use 
whatever you need for people to be able to see your «àç©ß§ καρακτερ0ς € and  
whatnot.

At least nobody has ever complained about not being able to decipher special 
characters.  I only assume this actually works as I expect.
-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From almilis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 09:32:06 2006
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:32:06 +0700
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
In-Reply-To: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36135600612200132l54a61630o5b87169e81f6e317@mail.gmail.com>

> I would like to know, on how to read OO.o files in
> MS Office, especially the fonts.
> May I know how to add Free Fonts to MS Office?

Apology, perhaps my English was not clear and specific
enough. I would like to read "Nimbus*" fonts on
MS Office 2000.

I tried to Google, but perhaps I was using wrong
keywords. I have no clue at all, where to find the Nimbus fonts.
I looked into /usr/share/fonts/ and /var/lib/defoma/
but I still have no idea, where/what to find.

regards,

-- 
Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 10:53:41 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:53:41 +0200
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<458812B7.2040905@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00612200253o1c73db58h7dd8708b013e3dca@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/06, D. Michael McIntyre  wrote:
> I love KMail.  I didn't even notice that message was in HTML.  It also sends
> messages in whatever encoding is necessary by default, so it will use
> whatever you need for people to be able to see your «àç(c)ߧ καρακτερ0ς € and
> whatnot.
>
> At least nobody has ever complained about not being able to decipher special
> characters.  I only assume this actually works as I expect.

In the case of the Greek characters that you added, there are 3 Greek
encodings, including one very popular Microsoft encoding (cp1253).
However, if you send to me with this encoding, I will get Hebrew
characters, not Greek, because I see "cp" encodings as cp1255. You
have no way of knowing how my machine is configured, but with utf-8
you don't have to. Also, I've sent mail with Hebrew, Russian, and
English characters in the same mail- only utf-8 is capable of that.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ram.html
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/113/cetera_peter.php

From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Dec 20 11:29:02 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:29:02 -0200
Subject: output audio
In-Reply-To: <930850.92443.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <930850.92443.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612200329o13aa677q6ab87f082c2aa75a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:

> Another problem is why I can't use 2 audio output
> programs at the same time, for example, I can't use
> Amarok when I'm talking in Skype and vice versa. It
> just says problem with audio device, sth like that.
> This could be done when I used Windows. Should I
> configure something more?

Try using the ALSA version (1.3) of Skype. The default OSS (1.2)
version has this limitation.

Note: there is a bug on some computers that causes a temporary freeze
on receiving chats in Skype. Hopefully yours won´t be affected.

Hervé.

From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk  Wed Dec 20 10:15:07 2006
From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:15:07 +0100
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
In-Reply-To: <36135600612200132l54a61630o5b87169e81f6e317@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
	<36135600612200132l54a61630o5b87169e81f6e317@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612201115.07697.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk>

Onsdag 20 december 2006 10:32 kvad Ali Milis:
> > I would like to know, on how to read OO.o files in
> > MS Office, especially the fonts.
> > May I know how to add Free Fonts to MS Office?
>
> Apology, perhaps my English was not clear and specific
> enough. I would like to read "Nimbus*" fonts on
> MS Office 2000.
>
> I tried to Google, but perhaps I was using wrong
> keywords. I have no clue at all, where to find the Nimbus fonts.
> I looked into /usr/share/fonts/ and /var/lib/defoma/
> but I still have no idea, where/what to find.

Try this:
kdesu konqueror
Then enter fonts:/ in Konqueror's address bar.
You should be able to find and copy the Nimbus fonts from there 
(provided the Nimbus font is actually installed on your Linux 
sustem).

Best regards :o)

Johnny :o)



From diiar at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 11:44:52 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:44:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: output audio
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612200329o13aa677q6ab87f082c2aa75a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061220114453.30108.qmail@web60720.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Hervé Fache  wrote:

> On 12/19/06, nutchanat sattayakawee
>  wrote:
> 
> > Another problem is why I can't use 2 audio output
> > programs at the same time, for example, I can't
> use
> > Amarok when I'm talking in Skype and vice versa.
> It
> > just says problem with audio device, sth like
> that.
> > This could be done when I used Windows. Should I
> > configure something more?
> 
> Try using the ALSA version (1.3) of Skype. The
> default OSS (1.2)
> version has this limitation.
> 
> Note: there is a bug on some computers that causes a
> temporary freeze
> on receiving chats in Skype. Hopefully yours won´t
> be affected.
> 
> Hervé.

This still doesn't work. If I play Amarok and I want
to call someone with skype, it says ploblem with sound
device. So I can't call anyone. Any solutions?

Thanks in advance.
Diiar


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From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Dec 20 11:48:43 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:48:43 -0200
Subject: output audio
In-Reply-To: <20061220114453.30108.qmail@web60720.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <4413284c0612200329o13aa677q6ab87f082c2aa75a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061220114453.30108.qmail@web60720.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612200348y71ba8791sf948d6975b5902d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
> This still doesn't work. If I play Amarok and I want
> to call someone with skype, it says ploblem with sound
> device. So I can't call anyone. Any solutions?

But... but...
Can you trying changing the audio engine in Systems Settings? Maybe
try ALSA if it was using Arts...

What hardware is yours?

Hervé.

From diiar at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 11:50:21 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:50:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
Message-ID: <20061220115021.45131.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I'm trying to use vmware player. Now I can install
another OS(Windows) as a virtual machine. The problem
is I can't use the internet on the virtual machine. My
network is a LAN but it is restricted. I would like to
have the same IP and MAC in the virtual machine as in
the host machine. However, this is not my case. How
should I configure it to have the same IP and MAC?

Many thanks for helping
Diiar

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From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Dec 20 11:53:30 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:53:30 -0200
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <20061220115021.45131.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20061220115021.45131.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612200353i2e57540fm6ba3af23af30c152@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
> How should I configure it to have the same IP and MAC?

I would think it be the ´bridged networking´ option (or similar). Any
help on the VMWare site?

Hervé.

From diiar at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 11:55:06 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:55:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: output audio
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612200348y71ba8791sf948d6975b5902d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419640.78169.qm@web60723.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Hervé Fache  wrote:

> On 12/20/06, nutchanat sattayakawee
>  wrote:
> > This still doesn't work. If I play Amarok and I
> want
> > to call someone with skype, it says ploblem with
> sound
> > device. So I can't call anyone. Any solutions?
> 
> But... but...
> Can you trying changing the audio engine in Systems
> Settings? Maybe
> try ALSA if it was using Arts...

> What hardware is yours?

It's HDA Intel. I have ALSA v1.0.12 as a driver

Diiar


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From diiar at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 12:00:23 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:00:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612200353i2e57540fm6ba3af23af30c152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061220120023.41695.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Hervé Fache  wrote:

> On 12/20/06, nutchanat sattayakawee
>  wrote:
> > How should I configure it to have the same IP and
> MAC?
> 
> I would think it be the ´bridged networking´ option
> (or similar). Any
> help on the VMWare site?

I tried bridged networking but I don't have the same
IP and MAC. I looked for some information but it says
like :
"If you use bridged networking, your virtual machine
needs to have its own identity on the network. For
example, on a TCP/IP network, the virtual machine
needs its own IP address. "
So I don't know what I should configure more or do
anything. I used to do it in Windows but I don't
exactly remember because in the interface of vmware in
Windows, we can configure graphically and there are
more explanations.

Diiar 


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From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec 20 12:03:58 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:03:58 +0000
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612200353i2e57540fm6ba3af23af30c152@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061220115021.45131.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4413284c0612200353i2e57540fm6ba3af23af30c152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458926AE.8010009@blueyonder.co.uk>

Hervé Fache wrote:
> On 12/20/06, nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:
>   
>> How should I configure it to have the same IP and MAC?
>>     
>
> I would think it be the ´bridged networking´ option (or similar). Any
> help on the VMWare site?
>
> Hervé.
>   
Or maybe the NAT option would be good for that, as all traffic appears
to come from the real machine.

Tez





From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Dec 20 12:19:33 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:19:33 -0200
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <458926AE.8010009@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20061220115021.45131.qmail@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4413284c0612200353i2e57540fm6ba3af23af30c152@mail.gmail.com>
	<458926AE.8010009@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612200419n3d8699aak582ba2f4cd997ba9@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/06, Tez  wrote:
> Or maybe the NAT option would be good for that, as all traffic appears
> to come from the real machine.

Spot on! That´s what they say on their site. See:
http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_net.html

Hervé.

From kfulks at knology.net  Wed Dec 20 13:04:42 2006
From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:04:42 -0600
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <20061220120023.41695.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20061220120023.41695.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458934EA.5060809@knology.net>

nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:
> --- Hervé Fache  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/20/06, nutchanat sattayakawee
>>  wrote:
>>> How should I configure it to have the same IP and
>> MAC?
>>
>> I would think it be the ´bridged networking´ option
>> (or similar). Any
>> help on the VMWare site?
> 
> I tried bridged networking but I don't have the same
> IP and MAC. I looked for some information but it says
> like :
> "If you use bridged networking, your virtual machine
> needs to have its own identity on the network. For
> example, on a TCP/IP network, the virtual machine
> needs its own IP address. "
> So I don't know what I should configure more or do
> anything. I used to do it in Windows but I don't
> exactly remember because in the interface of vmware in
> Windows, we can configure graphically and there are
> more explanations.
> 
> Diiar 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
> http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 

As Tez states, you should be using the NAT option.  This will make
everything appear to be coming from your host system to the network.
However, there is no way you can look at the guest system and tell that
it is  using NAT.  What is happening internally is that VMWare is
setting up a network within your host computer using the vmnet module.
This network is then accessing the real LAN/WAN using the IP address and
MAC address of your host system.

You are extremely limited as to what you can configure using VMPlayer.
However, you can certainly do this by doing a right click on the
"Ethernet" button and selecting NAT.

-- 
Kelly L. Fulks
Home Account
near Huntsville, AL



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 20 14:14:01 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:14:01 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <4588630F.4040604@googlemail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<4588630F.4040604@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200612200914.12744.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 17:09, SteVe Cook wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
> > On Monday 18 December 2006 14:09, SteVe Cook wrote:
> >> Café and résumé are both recognised in Thunderbird with a GB-English
> >> dictionary
> >
> > Not surprising as GB is almost part of Europe.  We, on the other side of
> > the Atlantic can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't just
> > learn to "speak American" ;-)
>
> Lyk wot george dus :-D

Like I said, GB is _almost_ part of Europe...

-- 

_____________________________________________________________
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PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 20 14:18:32 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:18:32 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <458863F5.1080300@optonline.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<458863F5.1080300@optonline.net>
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On Tuesday 19 December 2006 17:13, anthony baldwin wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
> > We, on the other side of the
> >Atlantic can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't just learn
> >to "speak American" ;-)
>
> I understand...English is very difficult (whether American or British).


> Now, many say French is the sexiest language...I do like French, 


> Those who insist it is the sexiest, just haven´t heard a Brasileira
> speaking Portuguese


> Of course, Spanish is spoken all over the world, too, and even 10% of
> the US population speak it.

I want a keyboard that types African "click" languages ;-)

-- 

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Art Alexion

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Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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From oub at mat.ucm.es  Wed Dec 20 14:19:08 2006
From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:19:08 +0100
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
Message-ID: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>

Hello

That might be a possible FAQ, however I did not find it as such.


    -  Can  debian package be installed under 

    -  Can I just add say # Testing
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib 

to the source list? If so why isn't this the default?

    -  I was looking especially for XEmacs which is not part of the
       standard Kubuntu repository.

Thanks and regards

Uwe Brauer
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 20 14:28:52 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:28:52 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 22:13, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> I love KMail.  I didn't even notice that message was in HTML.  

I use kmail 1.9.5 on kde 3.5.5 and I noticed that the message was in HTML (and 
formatted "uncomfortably").

> At least nobody has ever complained about not being able to decipher
> special characters.  I only assume this actually works as I expect.

Some people using Outlook Express who have selected to always display messages 
as HTML get blank messages when you sent them plain text messages with kmail.  
The solution is on their end.  They have to select display as HTML when 
available, instead.  But if they are using OE, they probably don't know how 
to configure it, and think you are subversive for not using it.

So, while kmail is my choice now (mainly due to kontact integration and 
excellent spam filtering) it has its annoyances too.

-- 

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Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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From nixternal at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec 20 15:35:45 2006
From: nixternal at ubuntu.com (Rich Johnson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:35:45 -0600
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
In-Reply-To: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
References: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
Message-ID: <200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 08:19, Uwe Brauer wrote:
[SNIP]

|     -  Can  debian package be installed under

Some packages can be installed, and some cannot. Of course the MOTU goal is to 
make sure that all packages are interoperable like that.

|     -  Can I just add say # Testing
| deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian testing main contrib non-free
| deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib
| to the source list? If so why isn't this the default?

As of right now, if you did this, you could do 1 of 3 things to your system:
 
1. Nothing - version differences might be higher in Ubuntu, therefore making 
the Debian packages look older (not 100% sure on this)

2. End up with Debian and not Kubuntu

3. Broken! 

|     -  I was looking especially for XEmacs which is not part of the
|        standard Kubuntu repository.

XEmacs is in the Universe repository, which if you are using Edgy, should be 
setup by default. If you are familiar with your /etc/apt/sources.list and how 
to change them, here is a copy that I use (note I don't use 3rd party repos, 
these are all of the stock Ubuntu repos)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# APPLICATIONS
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe 
multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted universe 
multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted 
universe multiverse

# SECURITY
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted universe 
multiverse

# SOURCE CODE
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe 
multiverse
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted 
universe multiverse
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted 
universe multiverse
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted 
universe multiverse

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You do not need the # SOURCE CODE section unless you plan on doing some Ubuntu 
packaging. Once you have that, or something similar in 
your /etc/apt/sources.list, then do a 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get 
install xemacs21' without the '' of course.

-- 
Rich Johnson
nixternal at ubuntu.com
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From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Dec 20 16:10:49 2006
From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:10:49 +0000
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<200612182308.56408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>	<4587B3DF.6060901@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<200612191040.02259.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>	<458812B7.2040905@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45896089.9010401@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Neil, if you are going to use those characters then I suggest that you
> make sure that others can see them. Don't send email in HTML, and make
> sure that you use utf-8 encoding. Any other encoding wil depend upon
> the recipricant using the same encoding, a requirement that is out of
> your hands. If you need help in setting up your email client properly,
> ask here. Be sure to mention which email client you use, and the
> output of the "locale" command.
>
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com/what_is/webpage.html
> http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/what_is_a_cellphone.html
>   
Thanks for the advice, however I already do use utf-8 everywhere. And I 
avoid HTML with email. Anyway there should be only the rare occasion 
when I need to use one of these special characters. Meanwhile the method 
you have shown me will save a lot of hassle.

Thanks again

Neil



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 16:15:23 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:15:23 +0200
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612200918.33708.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612191653.48650.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<458863F5.1080300@optonline.net>
	<200612200918.33708.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00612200815s1ae96154gc559c2bfba9d9827@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> I want a keyboard that types African "click" languages ;-)

Mine does- out loud!

Dotan Cohen

http://essentialinux.com/packages.php
http://rorot.com



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 20 16:16:15 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:16:15 -0500
Subject: output audio
In-Reply-To: <419640.78169.qm@web60723.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <419640.78169.qm@web60723.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612201116.16005.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 6:55 am, nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:

> It's HDA Intel. I have ALSA v1.0.12 as a driver

The problem is that 99% of soundcards people actually have are only able to 
accept one connection from one application at a time.  If you are running 
some application that has opened the soundcard, then nothing else will be 
able to use it until that application relinquishes its hold on your hardware.

There are various ways to work around this problem.  I think what's supposed 
to happen in modern times is your hardware is supposed to magically get 
configured to use something called "dmix."

I've never had this working, and the instructions for getting it working run 
into dozens of pages of cryptic nonsense.  It's really arcane black magic 
looking stuff unless you're an insider.  I'm supposed to *be* an insider, and 
I'm still too stupid to make heads or tails of it.

That leaves the old fashioned way.  Sound servers like aRts for KDE or ESD for 
GNOME, or JACK, or some combination (aRts can use JACK, for example.)

Unfortunately, as of today, I have never found a way to get everything playing 
nice at the same time.  If I want to hear sound on a flash in a web browser, 
or if I want to edit an audio file with Sweep, or listen to something with 
the Real Player for Linux, I have to shut off aRts and JACK completely, and 
run just that one application I'm trying to use.

There are supposed to be ways around this, but I wrote the book on Rosegarden, 
have spent many hours trying to help users deal with these ugly questions, 
and I'd probably pay someone to come over to my house and show me how the 
bloody donkey shredding hell to set this nonsense up, once and for all.

Linux audio is evil.

Bah humbug.

I really miss my emu10k1.  The only soundcard I've ever found that doesn't 
suffer this problem.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 16:17:31 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:17:31 +0200
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00612200817u3f6a04a2t9c51c0e83bf006ce@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> Some people using Outlook Express who have selected to always display messages
> as HTML get blank messages when you sent them plain text messages with kmail.
> The solution is on their end.  They have to select display as HTML when
> available, instead.  But if they are using OE, they probably don't know how
> to configure it, and think you are subversive for not using it.
>
> So, while kmail is my choice now (mainly due to kontact integration and
> excellent spam filtering) it has its annoyances too.
>

Er, that's not an annoyance with Kmail, rather an annoyance with OE.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/php.html
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/534/22_pistepirkko.php



From lbarrueco at ispgrm.rimed.cu  Wed Dec 20 16:00:41 2006
From: lbarrueco at ispgrm.rimed.cu (luis barrueco gallardo)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:00:41 -0400
Subject: deactivate consoles...
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612200817u3f6a04a2t9c51c0e83bf006ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>	<880dece00612191238m503a80c4s6f6daeb50cce3a4@mail.gmail.com>	<200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>	<200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<880dece00612200817u3f6a04a2t9c51c0e83bf006ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45895E29.4030500@ispgrm.rimed.cu>

Hello.

I want to deactivate consoles from tty2 to tty6, to optimize the memory 
use.

In the version 6.07 of Kubuntu it was in the file inittab, now is in the 
/etc/event.d directory where are the files for each console, but which 
parameters should I change to deactivate them?

Thanks!

-- 
___________________________________________
Saludos...

Lic. Luis E. Barrueco Gallardo
Centro de Estudios de Software Educativos.
ISP: "Blas Roca Calderio"
Granma. Cuba.
Teléfono: 53 23 57174 (Trabajo)
Linux Registered User #422927
Ubuntu Registered User # 3201 (Kubuntu)
___________________________________________
"Satyât nâsti paro dharmah"
"alid jobel rachu"
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Wed Dec 20 17:11:46 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:11:46 +0200
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <200612191821.57509.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
References: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>	<45882BA8.1080207@sklinks.com>
	<200612191821.57509.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <45896ED2.10706@mail.ee>

> For all ATI cards, open a console, and type the command:
> 
> fglrxinfo

also if you use ATI driver from Ubuntu repositories, you may type:

aticonfig

For more information about config and usage:

aticonfig --help


If you want to run config from beginning, you may want to run:

aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf

Here you just show, where the X configuration file is located. I suggest 
at first backup the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf before changing it. If 
something goes wrong - you can easily restore old one to get X work at all.

I tried ATI driver also from ATI's webpage but it didn't work. But 
driver from Ubuntu repository - it worked. Unfortunately I have not 
tried dual monitor setup, because I do not need it.

To install ATI driver in Ubuntu:

sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control

It asks password, which is the password of logged in user.

Useful commands for command line usage, using ATI driver to test working 
3D acceleration and animation:

fgl_glxgears
fglrxinfo
fglrx_xgamma
glxdemo
glxgears
glxheads
glxinfo


> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174

also:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver



From diiar at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 17:31:50 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:31:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <458934EA.5060809@knology.net>
Message-ID: <407119.43721.qm@web60716.mail.yahoo.com>

First of all, thank you.

> However, there is no way you can look at the guest
> system and tell that
> it is  using NAT.  What is happening internally is
> that VMWare is
> setting up a network within your host computer using
> the vmnet module.
> This network is then accessing the real LAN/WAN
> using the IP address and
> MAC address of your host system.
> 

I had NAT virtual adapter with vmnet8. However, I
didn't configure the IP address and MAC address. What
do you mean by setting up a network? Is it as I did?
Or should I set up another network?


> You are extremely limited as to what you can
> configure using VMPlayer.
> However, you can certainly do this by doing a right
> click on the
> "Ethernet" button and selecting NAT.

I right clicked on "Ethernet" and select NAT. When I
clicked on the web browser, it did something different
from when I had bridged. But it took so long time to
find the web site like www.google.com and finally it
coudln't find the server :( 
Do you have any suggestion?

Diiar

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From diiar at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 17:43:10 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:43:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: network configuration in vmware player
In-Reply-To: <407119.43721.qm@web60716.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <640811.55667.qm@web60720.mail.yahoo.com>


--- nutchanat sattayakawee  wrote:

> First of all, thank you.
> 
> > However, there is no way you can look at the guest
> > system and tell that
> > it is  using NAT.  What is happening internally is
> > that VMWare is
> > setting up a network within your host computer
> using
> > the vmnet module.
> > This network is then accessing the real LAN/WAN
> > using the IP address and
> > MAC address of your host system.
> > 
> 
> I had NAT virtual adapter with vmnet8. However, I
> didn't configure the IP address and MAC address.
> What
> do you mean by setting up a network? Is it as I did?
> Or should I set up another network?
> 
> 
> > You are extremely limited as to what you can
> > configure using VMPlayer.
> > However, you can certainly do this by doing a
> right
> > click on the
> > "Ethernet" button and selecting NAT.
> 
> I right clicked on "Ethernet" and select NAT. When I
> clicked on the web browser, it did something
> different
> from when I had bridged. But it took so long time to
> find the web site like www.google.com and finally it
> coudln't find the server :( 
> Do you have any suggestion?
> 
> Diiar

Sorry now. I can make it work. Just stop the firewall.
Thanks again

Diiar

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From oub at mat.ucm.es  Wed Dec 20 18:18:05 2006
From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:18:05 +0100
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
References: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
	<200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <87d56eh1nm.fsf@mat.ucm.es>

>>>>> "Rich" == Rich Johnson  writes:


   Rich> |     -  Can  debian package be installed under

   Rich> Some packages can be installed, and some cannot. Of course
   Rich> the MOTU goal is to make sure that all packages are
   Rich> interoperable like that.


   Rich> # APPLICATIONS
   Rich> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
   Rich> universe  
   Rich> multiverse
   Rich> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main
   Rich> restricted universe  

   Rich> multiverse
   Rich> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main
   Rich> restricted  
   Rich> universe multiverse


[snip]

Thanks for the information. Why isn't your setting standard? That is
why isn't universe part of the standard installation.  With respect to
the interoperablity --although I presume this is already the subject
of blogs and flame ars--, I almost adore Kubuntu for its ease of the
installation and the superb configuration. However the fact that it is
not 100 % interoperable let me doubt to use it. Btw why isn't there in
the Kubuntu website a package search the way Debian provides. If you
hadn't answered my question I don't know whether I would have figured
out that XEmacs is in the universe tree.


Uwe Brauer 
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From jjesse at iserv.net  Wed Dec 20 18:20:16 2006
From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:20:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <45896ED2.10706@mail.ee>
References: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>	<45882BA8.1080207@sklinks.com>
	<200612191821.57509.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
	<45896ED2.10706@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <45443.198.105.65.197.1166638816.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>


>> For all ATI cards, open a console, and type the command:
>>
>> fglrxinfo
>
> also if you use ATI driver from Ubuntu repositories, you may type:
>
> aticonfig
>
> For more information about config and usage:
>
> aticonfig --help
>
>
> If you want to run config from beginning, you may want to run:
>
> aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
>
> Here you just show, where the X configuration file is located. I suggest
> at first backup the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf before changing it. If
> something goes wrong - you can easily restore old one to get X work at
> all.
> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/adeptguide/C/
> I tried ATI driver also from ATI's webpage but it didn't work. But
> driver from Ubuntu repository - it worked. Unfortunately I have not
> tried dual monitor setup, because I do not need it.
>
> To install ATI driver in Ubuntu:
>
> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control
>
> It asks password, which is the password of logged in user.
>
> Useful commands for command line usage, using ATI driver to test working
> 3D acceleration and animation:
>
> fgl_glxgears
> fglrxinfo
> fglrx_xgamma
> glxdemo
> glxgears
> glxheads
> glxinfo
>
>
>> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
>
> also:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>

Thanks for the help on things, I have setup the driver and it is working
correctly.  Through the use of the Fn keys on my laptop I should be abel
to redirect things the way I want monitor wise?

-- 
Jonathan Jesse





From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 20 19:17:31 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:17:31 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612200918.33708.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<458863F5.1080300@optonline.net>
	<200612200918.33708.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200612201417.31957.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 9:18 am, Art Alexion wrote:

> I want a keyboard that types African "click" languages ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_Keyboard

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 20 19:19:03 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:19:03 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612192213.13551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200612201419.03768.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 9:28 am, Art Alexion wrote:

> Some people using Outlook Express who have selected to always display
> messages as HTML get blank messages when you sent them plain text messages
> with kmail.

Yeah, as if I have anything to say to somebody who's actually using Outhouse 
Express to read email.  This is another kind of useful filter mechanism in 
KMail.  :D

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Wed Dec 20 19:25:49 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
In-Reply-To: <200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com>
References: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
	<200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <200612201425.49686.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 10:35 am, Rich Johnson wrote:

> As of right now, if you did this, you could do 1 of 3 things to your
> system:

> 3. Broken!

In my experience, this is the likely outcome of going in the other direction.  
Mixing Kubuntu with Debian is a train wreck.  Does mixing Debian with Kubuntu 
lead to the same train wreck from the opposite direction?  I don't know, but 
I don't plan to try it.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From kubuntu at kitterman.com  Wed Dec 20 19:40:28 2006
From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:40:28 -0500
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
In-Reply-To: <200612201425.49686.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
	<200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com>
	<200612201425.49686.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612201440.28199.kubuntu@kitterman.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 14:25, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2006 10:35 am, Rich Johnson wrote:
> > As of right now, if you did this, you could do 1 of 3 things to your
> > system:
> >
> > 3. Broken!
>
> In my experience, this is the likely outcome of going in the other
> direction. Mixing Kubuntu with Debian is a train wreck.  Does mixing Debian
> with Kubuntu lead to the same train wreck from the opposite direction?  I
> don't know, but I don't plan to try it.
>
By design Ubuntu distros are source compatible with Debian, but not 
necessarily binary compatible.

http://www.ubuntu.com/support/faq#head-6fb53908d9c87eb506d6d36c99cd9936ceffa8fa

http://tinyurl.com/qkj8t

So, if you need a package in Debian that isn't in Ubuntu, pull the source and 
build it yourself...

Scott K



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Wed Dec 20 20:01:17 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:01:17 +0200
Subject: VNC Question
In-Reply-To: <200612192101.27534.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612192101.27534.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4589968D.3000806@mail.ee>

> The question is, how can I get it to open, or be able to open this port?


I suggest the VNC server, what I use personally and which works in every 
Linux and other UNIX-like systems - x11vnc.

I wrote an article for that - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/x11vnc

Hope it helps.


There is also program called rfb (sudo apt-get install rfb).

You may also want to read it - 
http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/x0.html

More reading:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Legacy_Microsoft/vnc-and-similar.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vnc



Best regards,
Edmund Laugasson



From lure at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec 20 20:29:22 2006
From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:29:22 +0100
Subject: guidance power manager
In-Reply-To: <200612182044.03485.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
References: <200612182044.03485.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200612202129.23029.lure@ubuntu.com>

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 02:44, Paul Kaplan wrote:
> It seems that the tray icon for guidance power manager is not loading (or
> crashing) in edgy if I'm running on a Thinkpad T43 battery power.  As a
> result I'm not able to suspend by closing the lid.
>
> Am I alone?  Any help appreciated.

Can you start it from terminal (Konsole) with "guidance-power-manager" and 
provide the output it produces?
It also probably makes sense to open bug with this information.

Regards,
Luka



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 20 21:58:10 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:58:10 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612200817u3f6a04a2t9c51c0e83bf006ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<880dece00612200817u3f6a04a2t9c51c0e83bf006ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612201658.17903.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 11:17, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 20/12/06, Art Alexion  wrote:
> > Some people using Outlook Express who have selected to always display
> > messages as HTML get blank messages when you sent them plain text
> > messages with kmail. The solution is on their end.  They have to select
> > display as HTML when available, instead.  But if they are using OE, they
> > probably don't know how to configure it, and think you are subversive for
> > not using it.
> >
> > So, while kmail is my choice now (mainly due to kontact integration and
> > excellent spam filtering) it has its annoyances too.
>
> Er, that's not an annoyance with Kmail, rather an annoyance with OE.

Right.  That didn't come out as intended. I wanted to say that kmail had its 
share of annoyances, not that the OE bug was a kmail annoyance.  

The part about the OE bug was just a response to "kmail always gets it right, 
no matter what the recipient is using."

Rarely, but sometimes, HTML mail is appropriate.  I'd like to use tables and 
in line images occasionally.  Kmail won't do this.  I think kgpg support in 
kmail is inferior to enigmail support in Thunderbird.  There are other things 
I liked better about Thunderbird.  However, kmail has better spam filtering 
and its integration into kontact both seal it for me.  I like synching my 
contacts via kpilot with my Palm OS phone then using the contact info for 
kmail and OpenOffice.  Nothing is perfect.  You compromise.



-- 

_____________________________________________________________
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PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Wed Dec 20 22:00:17 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:00:17 -0500
Subject: Foreign words
In-Reply-To: <200612201419.03768.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <4586C491.20906@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk>
	<200612200928.53757.art.alexion@verizon.net>
	<200612201419.03768.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612201700.17860.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 14:19, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2006 9:28 am, Art Alexion wrote:
> > Some people using Outlook Express who have selected to always display
> > messages as HTML get blank messages when you sent them plain text
> > messages with kmail.
>
> Yeah, as if I have anything to say to somebody who's actually using
> Outhouse Express to read email.  This is another kind of useful filter
> mechanism in KMail.  :D

Right.... :-D

-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for 
alarm.  Info @ 
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Wed Dec 20 22:09:28 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:09:28 +0200
Subject: question on dual monitors?
In-Reply-To: <45443.198.105.65.197.1166638816.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <14628.198.105.65.197.1166550705.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>	<45882BA8.1080207@sklinks.com>	<200612191821.57509.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>	<45896ED2.10706@mail.ee>
	<45443.198.105.65.197.1166638816.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4589B498.5070705@mail.ee>

> Thanks for the help on things, I have setup the driver and it is working
> correctly.  Through the use of the Fn keys on my laptop I should be abel
> to redirect things the way I want monitor wise?


I hope so.



From claydoh at claydoh.com  Wed Dec 20 22:37:13 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:37:13 -0500
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
In-Reply-To: <87d56eh1nm.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
References: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
	<200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com>
	<87d56eh1nm.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
Message-ID: <200612201737.39261.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 1:18 pm, Uwe Brauer wrote:

>
> [snip]
>
> Thanks for the information. Why isn't your setting standard? That is
> why isn't universe part of the standard installation.  With respect to
> the interoperablity --although I presume this is already the subject
> of blogs and flame ars--, I almost adore Kubuntu for its ease of the
> installation and the superb configuration. However the fact that it is
> not 100 % interoperable let me doubt to use it. Btw why isn't there in
> the Kubuntu website a package search the way Debian provides. If you
> hadn't answered my question I don't know whether I would have figured
> out that XEmacs is in the universe tree.
>
>
> Uwe Brauer
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
Explains the different repositories
Basically there is no guarantee of support or security updates for them, or 
they contain non-free license-wise so they are not enabled by default
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Thu Dec 21 01:48:20 2006
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:48:20 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: <458769FD.80208@claydoh.com>
References: 
	<20061218011731.eba2a004.ed.lau@mail.ee>
	
	<458769FD.80208@claydoh.com>
Message-ID: 

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It would appear that on Dec 18, clay weber did say:

> I may have missed it, but can sudo *use* the scanner (as opposed to just 
> access)?

 YES! If I'm using a sudo enabled account, and remember to type "sudo
kooka" instead of just "kooka", I can scan any time I want...
But I want family members I wouldn't give sudo to, to be able
to use the scanner... sigh!
 
> One thing to try and check (I don't know why I didn't think of it  
> before) is to see if the users are part of the group 'scanner" in System 
> Settings' User section, as it sounds more like a group permissions thing 
> rather than a file permission thing. 

Good thought! I'd forgotten there was such a group. But yes the user
account I've been failing to access the scanner with is listed in both
the scanner and saned groups.

Errr at least according to /etc/group. I can't seam to get the gui
module called "Users & Groups" to load... I detest using gui tools for
system admin, I'd use either useradd or adduser to add a new user and
would most likely use "sudo adduser USER GROUP" to add a user to a
group. And since I've never tried to use the gui method on kubuntu, I
don't know how long selecting the user section of the system settings in
the gui would have resulted in this error message:

 - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - -

The module Users & Groups could not be loaded.

The diagnostics is:

Possible reasons:

	*An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
	*You have old third party modules lying around.

Check these points carefully and try to remove the module mentioned in the error message. If this fails, consider contacting your distributor or packager.

 - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - -

I haven't the slightest idea what kind of module it's talking about or
where to look for it. Nor what it's actual filename would be. Nor how to
remove it if I did find it... unless "rm FILENAME" is a safe way to do
it???????

But since the only way I ever upgraded kde on kubuntu was via 
"apt-get upgrade" and/or "apt-get dist-upgrade" I'm thinking this is the
right list to contact [my] "distributor or packager"...

But I can't see why a ["kde"?] module should prevent the shell command
"scanimage -L" from accessing the scanner... 

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From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Thu Dec 21 02:09:08 2006
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:09:08 +0100
Subject: possible FQA: debian and Kubuntu compatibility; Xemacs
References: <873b7airab.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
	<200612200935.48467.nixternal@ubuntu.com> <87d56eh1nm.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
Message-ID: <87fybaknjv.fsf@fjellstad.org>

Uwe Brauer  writes:

> However the fact that it is
> not 100 % interoperable let me doubt to use it. 

Is Debian stable 100% interoperable with testing/unstable?  
Well, there is a brief period after a release where stable is 100%
interoperable with testing, but I've never seen people recommending
mixing from the three.

*ubuntu is basically a snapshot of Sid at a given time.  They diverge and
 get together every six months.

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From claydoh at claydoh.com  Thu Dec 21 02:56:43 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:56:43 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<458769FD.80208@claydoh.com>
	
Message-ID: <200612202156.44121.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 8:48 pm, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> It would appear that on Dec 18, clay weber did say:
> > I may have missed it, but can sudo *use* the scanner (as opposed to just
> > access)?
>
>  YES! If I'm using a sudo enabled account, and remember to type "sudo
> kooka" instead of just "kooka", I can scan any time I want...
> But I want family members I wouldn't give sudo to, to be able
> to use the scanner... sigh!
>
> > One thing to try and check (I don't know why I didn't think of it
> > before) is to see if the users are part of the group 'scanner" in System
> > Settings' User section, as it sounds more like a group permissions thing
> > rather than a file permission thing.
>
> Good thought! I'd forgotten there was such a group. But yes the user
> account I've been failing to access the scanner with is listed in both
> the scanner and saned groups.
>
> Errr at least according to /etc/group. I can't seam to get the gui
> module called "Users & Groups" to load... I detest using gui tools for
> system admin, I'd use either useradd or adduser to add a new user and
> would most likely use "sudo adduser USER GROUP" to add a user to a
> group. And since I've never tried to use the gui method on kubuntu, I
> don't know how long selecting the user section of the system settings in
> the gui would have resulted in this error message:
>
>  - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - -
I don't think the System Settings module is causing any problems in regards to 
your scanner.

A possibility is there is a problem with the udev rules that assign 
permissions to plug and play devices, possibly caused during your upgrade. 
Look in /etc/udev/rules.d for a file called 45-libsane.rules, and see if your 
scanner is listed in there.

Mine shows these lines, around line 559:
# Memorex MEM 48U
SYSFS{idVendor}=="05d8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="4005", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner"

But on my Dapper running in vmware, your scanner is not listed there at all, 
not even under a different name. You can try 
adding the lines above to that file and try unplugging the scanner and 
plugging it back in. You also may need to restart udev:
sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart

I sure hope this fixes it as I am at a loss after this


-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From almilis at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 03:08:06 2006
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:08:06 +0700
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
In-Reply-To: <200612201115.07697.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk>
References: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
	<36135600612200132l54a61630o5b87169e81f6e317@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612201115.07697.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk>
Message-ID: <36135600612201908j58d424d4x1378a6d4760e47f8@mail.gmail.com>

Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
> Try this:
> kdesu konqueror
> Then enter fonts:/ in Konqueror's address bar.

Thank you! First, I have downloaded ''ATM'' from
http://www.adobe.com/products/atmlight/ .
Then, I copied the nimbus fonts from fonts:/Systems/
Unfortunately, I could not install them into M$Windows :(.
The message was "Activation Problem: Can not activate
[font]. The font files are invalid".
I tried to open the tar.gz files with no luck.

In Google, most are about including MS Fonts
into Linux, but not the reverse :(.

Thank you for more clues.

-- 
Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 03:40:34 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:40:34 -0600
Subject: VNC Question
In-Reply-To: <4589968D.3000806@mail.ee>
References: <200612192101.27534.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4589968D.3000806@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <200612202140.35318.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 2:01 pm, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
> > The question is, how can I get it to open, or be able to open this port?
>
> I suggest the VNC server, what I use personally and which works in every
> Linux and other UNIX-like systems - x11vnc.
>
> I wrote an article for that - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/x11vnc
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> There is also program called rfb (sudo apt-get install rfb).
>
> You may also want to read it -
> http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/x0.html
>
> More reading:
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Legacy_Microsoft/vnc-and-similar.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vnc

Sorry, but no.  Not one of those tells my why VNC was working just fine under 
Dapper, but now under edgy I get crap.

Why is vnc looking for "/etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy" when the xserver 
directory doesn't even exist?
Why can't vnc create the desktop on :1 like it used to?
I'm just not getting why I'm not required to spend days to figure out what 
just worked in the previous version.

The errors I get above are still what I get.  

I don't understand why we couldn't have kept vnc as easy to use in Edgy as it 
was in Dapper.
IN Dapper all I had to do was:
vncserver -geometry 1024x768 
Then from another machine:
vncviewer homepc:1
enter the password, and viola I was in.
Why can't that work now?

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 04:20:27 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:20:27 -0600
Subject: OOo 2.1
In-Reply-To: <458161BD.4050503@gmail.com>
References: <463699.52643.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<458161BD.4050503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612202220.27553.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Thursday 14 December 2006 8:37 am, O. Sinclair wrote:
> > businesses using Ubuntu/Kubuntu have no interest in
> > any version but dapper. If Canonical is serious about
> > "LTS" versions then we should probably see a version
> > for Dapper. I can understand skipping Edgy but if they
> > really want to keep the Business users that have moved
> > over from Novell and Red Hat they need to keep the
> > Office suite somewhat current,
> >
> > It's unsettling to see answers to problems with dapper
> > answered by references to upgrading to a six month
> > version. Without the 3year/five year version we would
> > have migrated to Novell here. We and I'm sure others
> > put Dapper in with idea to keep it at least two years,
> > Testing and updating every six monts is too much. Like
> > many businesses we need to carry over some  windows
> > apps. Basic installation of what we need per machine
> > would be 200 USD for Red Hat 60 for the latest Novell
> > assuming Xen would work as needed,100 if we still
> > needed Crossover. and 40 USD for Ubuntu plus
> > Crossover. Even adding more paid support for Ubuntu
> > comes out the winner for a small business.  But this
> > won't work if backports aren't kept up of the LTS
> > versions.
>
> I would assume that businesses want to test the offered upgrade (eg Oo
> 2.1) on 1 or 2 machines and if satisified go the full way. There is
> nothing that says because there are upgrades made available, be they
> security or others (Amarok etc etc) that one has to install them.
>
> An assumption again would be that in a business environment access to
> sudo is locked down, at least the type of business who willingly dosh
> out money for subscription to support.
>
> I see it as very logical to offer upgrades along the way on an LTS and
> not have a completely static distribution just because it is LTS.
>
> Am looking forward to see Oo 2.1 show up as upgrade.
>
> Sinclair

OK,   With all this going around the world, I'm still wondering, are we going 
to see 2.1 debs for Kubuntu Edgy at least / Dapper?

I think its should be unnecessary to have to "tell" the back ports folks, 
whoever they are, in some "official" way that people are interested.  
With all the questions on the OOo list, and here, it should be obvious.
I don't want to upgrade my whole stinking OS just to get this app, and I don't 
want to jump through hoops using alien.

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Thu Dec 21 06:10:26 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:10:26 +0200
Subject: VNC Question
In-Reply-To: <200612202140.35318.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612192101.27534.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4589968D.3000806@mail.ee>
	<200612202140.35318.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458A2552.30203@mail.ee>

> Sorry, but no.  Not one of those tells my why VNC was working just fine under 
> Dapper, but now under edgy I get crap.

I would like to say, that usually people would like to see the same 
desktop, which is logged in and they want not start new one. Therefore 
there was quite hard to find similar solution under Linux as in Windows 
it works.

> Why is vnc looking for "/etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy" when the xserver 
> directory doesn't even exist?

Also I hoped, that if you change VNC server software, you probably will 
be free from those problems.

> Why can't vnc create the desktop on :1 like it used to?

Original Ubuntu, which is based on Gnome desktop, uses vino-server 
package for VNC connections and this is also showing the same desktop, 
who is currently logged in.

> I don't understand why we couldn't have kept vnc as easy to use in Edgy as it 
> was in Dapper.

It seems like there is more programs, which are broken in Edgy and was 
working in Dapper... Some programs are fixed and new ones are broken... 
And that makes me most of sad :(  But I hope, that in one beautiful day 
will come out the Ubuntu version, where old bugs are fixed and new bugs 
are not serious...

> IN Dapper all I had to do was:
> vncserver -geometry 1024x768 
> Then from another machine:
> vncviewer homepc:1
> enter the password, and viola I was in.
> Why can't that work now?


As you probably noticed, there are several different VNC software - 
perhaps you could try them. Try to search:

1) sudo apt-get update
2) sudo apt-cache search vnc

But at first try to enable also universe/multiverse repositories to get 
whole bunch of choices.

Unfortunately I am not programmer and could not understand deep hooks in 
source code. Therefore I only can suggest to try another VNC software.
FreeNX has been promoted as fast and reliable solution.


Best Regards,
Edmund



From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk  Thu Dec 21 08:55:38 2006
From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:55:38 +0100
Subject: [OT] Adding Free Fonts to MS Office?!
In-Reply-To: <36135600612201908j58d424d4x1378a6d4760e47f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600612190313u1604ef18heec65e336c44d36c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612201115.07697.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk>
	<36135600612201908j58d424d4x1378a6d4760e47f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612210955.38502.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk>

Torsdag 21 december 2006 04:08 kvad Ali Milis:
> Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
> > Try this:
> > kdesu konqueror
> > Then enter fonts:/ in Konqueror's address bar.
>
> Thank you! First, I have downloaded ''ATM'' from
> http://www.adobe.com/products/atmlight/ .
> Then, I copied the nimbus fonts from fonts:/Systems/
> Unfortunately, I could not install them into M$Windows :(.
> The message was "Activation Problem: Can not activate
> [font]. The font files are invalid".
> I tried to open the tar.gz files with no luck.
>
> In Google, most are about including MS Fonts
> into Linux, but not the reverse :(.
>
> Thank you for more clues.

I have no more clues.
I do not use *Ubuntu myself at the moment.
I assumed though that the access to fonts through Konqueror would be 
the same on any Linux distribution.

Someone else will have to help.

---

Please do not send the same answer to both the list and in private.

Best regards :o)

Johnny :o)



From cilazma at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 12:38:08 2006
From: cilazma at gmail.com (mehmet Dilmac)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:38:08 +0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4911ff840612210438p2f6b3dc3h37125ce07e9a5320@mail.gmail.com>

Run fsck but re instal kubuntu !

2006/12/19, Jonathan Jesse :
>
> Good morning,
>
> I shutdown my computer last night and when I turned it on this morning I
> have a red X through KMix and no sound.  When I click on KMix to open it
> up, under Current Mixer: there is nothing.
> Any help?
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Jesse
>
>
>
> --
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From padrongj at fq.uh.cu  Thu Dec 21 15:46:49 2006
From: padrongj at fq.uh.cu (Juan Alexander Padron)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:46:49 -0500
Subject: NTFS issue
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612211046.50251.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>

Hi everybody:
I have a hdd with two partitions (FAT32 and NTFS). With my current fstab I 
read and write perfectly in FAT32, but I only can see the NTFS one logged as 
root. As a regular user i can't. Some help?

My fstab:
proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
/dev/hda7       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
/dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
/dev/hda1       /media/hda1     vfat    rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
/dev/hdb2       /media/hdb2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 
/dev/hdb5       /media/hdb5     vfat    rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
/dev/sda1       /media/sda1     vfat    rw,user,noauto  0        0
/dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1     vfat    rw,user,noauto  0        0
/dev/hdd1       /media/F/       vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0    0

Any ideas?
Best Regards,
Alex

-- 
L-----Q               Juan Alexander Padron Garcia
 C---T       Laboratorio de Quimica Computacional y Teorica   
  U.H     Facultad de Quimica, Universidad de la Habana  
 L---Q                    padrongj at fq.uh.cu 
C-----T              padron.alexander at gmail.com



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Thu Dec 21 16:25:27 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:25:27 -0700
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <4911ff840612210438p2f6b3dc3h37125ce07e9a5320@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4911ff840612210438p2f6b3dc3h37125ce07e9a5320@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1166718327.6126.15.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 14:38 +0200, mehmet Dilmac wrote:
> Run fsck but re instal kubuntu !
> 
> 2006/12/19, Jonathan Jesse :
>         Good morning,
>         
>         I shutdown my computer last night and when I turned it on this
>         morning I
>         have a red X through KMix and no sound.  When I click on KMix
>         to open it
>         up, under Current Mixer: there is nothing.
>         Any help? 
>         
>         
>         --
>         Jonathan Jesse
>         
>         
>         
Take a look at the devices seen by the OS  most likely your sound card
was not picked up by Ubuntu or bios when it started this time.

I've seen this before...often on PCs never on PPC FWIW

This is "plug and pray" hell.  Ubuntu Kubuntu rearrangges the order of
multiple NICS too. Usually ( for sound)the card is "cold" and doesn't
respond quick enough on boot. If you have windows also starting windows
so the card initializes might work. I'd try moving the card to a
different slot/reseating the card first too. My husband has a habit of
using SOUND so loud it rattles cards loose :-). Unless you trash the
file system it is unusual to have to reinstall linux. It isn't windows
98.

try this:

sudo shutdown -r -F now

This reboots the computer and runs a file system check on Linux

then when the computer reboots go into the bios. There is probably a
setting "reset configuration data" or something like that. This zeros
the PNP configuration when the computer reboots out of the bios.
Hopefully the bios and Ubunutu will then find the card.
> 





From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 21 17:16:40 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:16:40 -0200
Subject: problems w/ sound on Kubuntu (edgy)
In-Reply-To: <1166718327.6126.15.camel@localhost>
References: <34426.198.105.65.197.1166534226.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net>
	<4911ff840612210438p2f6b3dc3h37125ce07e9a5320@mail.gmail.com>
	<1166718327.6126.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612210916o5db97742vd4a1b3d3cacb660e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/06, bryann  wrote:

> This is "plug and pray" hell.


If it is, would not setting the BIOS option ´PNP OS´ to ´no´ solve the
problem? In this case the BIOS leaves it to the OS to initialise
devices...

Just a thought.
Hervé.

From Herve at lucidia.net  Thu Dec 21 17:20:07 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:20:07 -0200
Subject: NTFS issue
In-Reply-To: <200612211046.50251.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
References: 
	<200612211046.50251.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612210920w10238812nbd0644d2d67748f@mail.gmail.com>

NTFS mount options include ´umask´ I believe...
Try to mount with umask=777

Hervé.

On 12/21/06, Juan Alexander Padron  wrote:
> Hi everybody:
> I have a hdd with two partitions (FAT32 and NTFS). With my current fstab I
> read and write perfectly in FAT32, but I only can see the NTFS one logged as
> root. As a regular user i can't. Some help?
>
> My fstab:
> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
> /dev/hda7       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
> /dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     vfat    rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
> /dev/hdb2       /media/hdb2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0
> /dev/hdb5       /media/hdb5     vfat    rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
> /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     vfat    rw,user,noauto  0        0
> /dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1     vfat    rw,user,noauto  0        0
> /dev/hdd1       /media/F/       vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0    0
>
> Any ideas?
> Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> --
> L-----Q               Juan Alexander Padron Garcia
>  C---T       Laboratorio de Quimica Computacional y Teorica
>  U.H     Facultad de Quimica, Universidad de la Habana
>  L---Q                    padrongj at fq.uh.cu
> C-----T              padron.alexander at gmail.com
>
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Thu Dec 21 18:55:14 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:55:14 +0200
Subject: NTFS issue
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612210920w10238812nbd0644d2d67748f@mail.gmail.com>
References: 	<200612211046.50251.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
	<4413284c0612210920w10238812nbd0644d2d67748f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458AD892.9010902@mail.ee>


> NTFS mount options include ´umask´ I believe...
> Try to mount with umask=777

umask=000 would be better idea ;-)

Definition:
file rights=666-umask
folder rights=777-umask

If you say umask=777, then it means:
files will be 000 (no rights at all)
folders will be 000 (no rights at all)


For more information - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Thu Dec 21 19:05:53 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:05:53 +0200
Subject: NTFS issue
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0612210920w10238812nbd0644d2d67748f@mail.gmail.com>
References: 	<200612211046.50251.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
	<4413284c0612210920w10238812nbd0644d2d67748f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458ADB11.5080207@mail.ee>


> NTFS mount options include ´umask´ I believe...
> Try to mount with umask=777

I suggest:

1) open terminal

2) type: id - you will see the currently logged in user ID (UID) and 
group ID (GID) - remember them. Usually they are both 1000. If you need 
current user to access NTFS, then those are the ID-s, what you need.

3) into /etc/fstab write:

/dev/hdb2       /media/hdb2     ntfs 
defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0

You may also not use the umask parameter in /etc/fstab

4) The NTFS partition will be mounted with appropriate user rights:

sudo mount -a


For checking, what and where is mounted:

mount


5) You may want to set right permissions to the folder, where it will be 
mounted.


By the way - there are the project called Linux NTFS - 
http://www.linux-ntfs.org/

You may want to mount NTFS with full write access...


Best Regards,
Edmund Laugasson



From sniffy at rogers.com  Thu Dec 21 23:45:23 2006
From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:45:23 -0500
Subject: KDE gparted alternative?
Message-ID: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>

Hello:

I have come across the need to resize a couple of ext3 partitions on my 
Kubuntu system. I have heard of gparted, but I would rather stick with a KDE 
app mainly because I don't feel like bringing down a lot gnome stuff for a 
tool that I'm only going to use once.

I've seen kparted and qtparted. But from their sites it looks like neither do 
what I need to do. Does anyone know if they support resizing ext3 partitions? 
Or any other alternatives?

thanks

-- chris



From james at gray.net.au  Fri Dec 22 04:33:11 2006
From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:33:11 +1100
Subject: KDE gparted alternative?
In-Reply-To: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
References: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <200612221533.12112.james@gray.net.au>

On Friday 22 December 2006 10:45, Chris Gow wrote:
> I have come across the need to resize a couple of ext3 partitions on my
> Kubuntu system. I have heard of gparted, but I would rather stick with a
> KDE app mainly because I don't feel like bringing down a lot gnome stuff
> for a tool that I'm only going to use once.

You mean qtparted? 
http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/

As KDE is based on the Qt libraries, it follows that a Qt application would 
also be a native application under KDE. :)  

Cheers,

James
-- 
I am NOT a nut....



From markwarner1954 at att.net  Fri Dec 22 04:47:11 2006
From: markwarner1954 at att.net (Mark Warner)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:47:11 -0500
Subject: KDE gparted alternative?
References: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
Message-ID: 

Chris Gow wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I have come across the need to resize a couple of ext3 partitions on
> my Kubuntu system. I have heard of gparted, but I would rather stick
> with a KDE app mainly because I don't feel like bringing down a lot
> gnome stuff for a tool that I'm only going to use once.
>
> I've seen kparted and qtparted. But from their sites it looks like
> neither do what I need to do. Does anyone know if they support
> resizing ext3 partitions? Or any other alternatives?

GParted LiveCD:

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

-- 
Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying







From Herve at lucidia.net  Fri Dec 22 10:50:07 2006
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:50:07 -0200
Subject: KDE gparted alternative?
In-Reply-To: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
References: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0612220250y72271164o273ab03eb9128f2b@mail.gmail.com>

I usually use this kind of  tools from the command line.
If it is / you want to resize, you will definitely have to do it from
the LiveCD...

Hervé.

On 12/21/06, Chris Gow  wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I have come across the need to resize a couple of ext3 partitions on my
> Kubuntu system. I have heard of gparted, but I would rather stick with a KDE
> app mainly because I don't feel like bringing down a lot gnome stuff for a
> tool that I'm only going to use once.
>
> I've seen kparted and qtparted. But from their sites it looks like neither do
> what I need to do. Does anyone know if they support resizing ext3 partitions?
> Or any other alternatives?
>
> thanks
>
> -- chris
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

From doc.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 16:44:13 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:44:13 -0700
Subject: Setting "frequently used" on K menu
Message-ID: <256f4e900612220844va8841xf7df5ece4a8008af@mail.gmail.com>

Don't you just hate it when you know there's a configuration option
somewhere, but you can't find it?

Running KDE 3.5.5 on edgy (64-bit)...

I *know* that somewhere in the past I've seen an option to have
"frequently used" programs appear on my K menu.. But I'm blowed if I
can find it anywhere on this system. Anyone know where it is?



From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 17:53:17 2006
From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:53:17 +0800
Subject: Setting "frequently used" on K menu
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612220844va8841xf7df5ece4a8008af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612220844va8841xf7df5ece4a8008af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612230153.17359.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 00:44, D. R. Evans wrote:
> Don't you just hate it when you know there's a configuration option
> somewhere, but you can't find it?
>

Right-click on the Panel, select Configure Panel. In the Menus options, go to 
the QuickStart Menu items and select "Show the applications most frequently 
used."

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Juan Carlos Torres
-- 
http://jucato.org/



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 18:09:16 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:09:16 +0200
Subject: VNC Viewer
Message-ID: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having problems with vncviewer and xvncviewer (I think that they
are the same program). When I start it from the command line I get a
very small window that says "VNC Server:" and there I suppose that I
am to enter the foriegn address, such as "12.34.56.78:1234", which I
do. There is no OK button, so I simply press Enter on the keyboard.
After a few seconds I get a windows that says "Server Dialog" in the
title bar, with a small textbox and nothing else. I tryed entering my
password into there and pressed Enter, but that did nothing.

So, how does one use this utility? Are there any alternatives? Thanks.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/552/3x_krazy.php
http://kitha.com



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Fri Dec 22 18:15:43 2006
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:15:43 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: <200612202156.44121.claydoh@claydoh.com>
References: 
	<458769FD.80208@claydoh.com>
	
	<200612202156.44121.claydoh@claydoh.com>
Message-ID: 

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It would appear that on Wed, Dec 20 2006, claydoh did say:

> I don't think the System Settings module is causing any problems in
> regards to your scanner.  
> A possibility is there is a problem with the udev rules that assign
> permissions to plug and play devices, possibly caused during your
> upgrade.  Look in /etc/udev/rules.d for a file called 45-libsane.rules,
> and see if your scanner is listed in there.
> 
> Mine shows these lines, around line 559:
> # Memorex MEM 48U
> SYSFS{idVendor}=="05d8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="4005", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner"
> 
> But on my Dapper running in vmware, your scanner is not listed there at
> all, not even under a different name. You can try adding the lines above
> to that file and try unplugging the scanner and plugging it back in. You
> also may need to restart udev:
> sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
> 
> I sure hope this fixes it as I am at a loss after this

Thankyou! that was the problem... And I didn't even need to restart udev.



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From doc.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 18:18:50 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:18:50 -0700
Subject: Setting "frequently used" on K menu
In-Reply-To: <200612230153.17359.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612220844va8841xf7df5ece4a8008af@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612230153.17359.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458C218A.5000100@gmail.com>

Juan Carlos Torres said the following at 12/22/2006 10:53 AM :
> On Saturday 23 December 2006 00:44, D. R. Evans wrote:
>> Don't you just hate it when you know there's a configuration option
>> somewhere, but you can't find it?
>>
> 
> Right-click on the Panel, select Configure Panel. In the Menus options, go to 
> the QuickStart Menu items and select "Show the applications most frequently 
> used."
> 
> Hope that helps.

Wonderful! Thank you.

Oh, and I see now why I was going crazy not being able to find it... I have
a dapper system running exactly the same version of KDE, and on that system
one can get to the panel configuration directly from the "System Settings"
K menu item, which must be how I configured it in the past. I have no idea
why the two systems are different, since it's the same version of KDE on
both. (In fact, there are loads more options under "System Settings" on the
dapper KDE 3.5.5 than on the edgy box running KDE 3.5.5. Very strange.)




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 19:01:02 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:01:02 +0200
Subject: GNU Java vs. Sun Java: What's the difference, what is better?
Message-ID: <880dece00612221101nb4bcd01r6087dd352fe632ae@mail.gmail.com>

What are the differences between the GNU and Sun Javas? I know that
Sun invented Java and that it was just made open source. But what I
need to know are what are the differences from a user's perspective? I
intend to use Java in Firefox for some university work (they are
idiots, yes, I know, for writting in Java), and I don't know what
else, just yet. I've two machines: a 1.3gHz AMD box with 1GB RAM and a
2.0gHz Intel laptop with 2GB RAM.

Thanks.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/157/416/queen/live_killers.php
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/java.html



From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 19:59:33 2006
From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:59:33 -0800
Subject: GNU Java vs. Sun Java: What's the difference, what is better?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612221101nb4bcd01r6087dd352fe632ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221101nb4bcd01r6087dd352fe632ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

I perfer the Sun Java versions, because I program Java and I can't
work without generic types (JDK >=1.5) and all the GNU resources are
1.4.2.

I also find the Sun JREs to be slightly faster, but it doesn't have as
good of integration with Linux.

On 12/22/06, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> What are the differences between the GNU and Sun Javas? I know that
> Sun invented Java and that it was just made open source. But what I
> need to know are what are the differences from a user's perspective? I
> intend to use Java in Firefox for some university work (they are
> idiots, yes, I know, for writting in Java), and I don't know what
> else, just yet. I've two machines: a 1.3gHz AMD box with 1GB RAM and a
> 2.0gHz Intel laptop with 2GB RAM.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/157/416/queen/live_killers.php
> http://what-is-what.com/what_is/java.html
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


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From sniffy at rogers.com  Fri Dec 22 21:00:20 2006
From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:00:20 -0500
Subject: KDE gparted alternative?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com> 
Message-ID: <200612221600.20390.sniffy@rogers.com>

On Thursday 21 December 2006 23:47, Mark Warner wrote:
> Chris Gow wrote:
> > Hello:
> >
> > I have come across the need to resize a couple of ext3 partitions on
> > my Kubuntu system. I have heard of gparted, but I would rather stick
> > with a KDE app mainly because I don't feel like bringing down a lot
> > gnome stuff for a tool that I'm only going to use once.
> >
> > I've seen kparted and qtparted. But from their sites it looks like
> > neither do what I need to do. Does anyone know if they support
> > resizing ext3 partitions? Or any other alternatives?
>
> GParted LiveCD:
>
> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
excellent! thanks


-- chris



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 22:13:08 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:13:08 -0600
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Friday 22 December 2006 12:09 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I'm having problems with vncviewer and xvncviewer (I think that they
> are the same program). When I start it from the command line I get a
> very small window that says "VNC Server:" and there I suppose that I
> am to enter the foriegn address, such as "12.34.56.78:1234", which I
> do. There is no OK button, so I simply press Enter on the keyboard.
> After a few seconds I get a windows that says "Server Dialog" in the
> title bar, with a small textbox and nothing else. I tryed entering my
> password into there and pressed Enter, but that did nothing.
>
> So, how does one use this utility? Are there any alternatives? Thanks.
>
> Dotan Cohen

You get this figured out, and I'd like to know how.
I have tried to find out how to get vnc to run on edgy, and it just wont!

You should just be able to run vncserver on the machine you want to remotely 
control,
then run vncviewer ipaddress:displaynumber on the client machine.  Enter the 
server's password, and your in.  Now, if you want  to remotely control an 
active session, you'd use x11vnc as the server side process.  However, that's 
not what I wanted to do.


-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 00:23:38 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:23:38 +0200
Subject: Browsing the web in Konqi
Message-ID: <880dece00612221623u4c4b9551i9651ad301a00bb12@mail.gmail.com>

I can load webpages in Konqueror just fine, but whenever I click a
lick it asks me in what app I want to open the file. I understand that
this is because I have Firefox set up as my default browser. And I
want to keep it that way- when I click on a local HTML file or a link
in Kmail, I want it to open in Firefox. But if I'm already browsing in
Konqi, then I want it to stay in Konqi. That means, clicking a link in
a webpage will open the page in the same window that I'm in, not in
Firefox. How to set this up? Thanks.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/xss.html
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/592/aaron_hall.php



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 00:44:13 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:44:13 +0200
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/12/06, Howard Coles Jr.  wrote:
> You get this figured out, and I'd like to know how.
> I have tried to find out how to get vnc to run on edgy, and it just wont!
>
> You should just be able to run vncserver on the machine you want to remotely
> control,
> then run vncviewer ipaddress:displaynumber on the client machine.  Enter the
> server's password, and your in.  Now, if you want  to remotely control an
> active session, you'd use x11vnc as the server side process.  However, that's
> not what I wanted to do.

Try krdc. I was able to use it to connect to a remote VNC machine (Browsercam).

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/world_wide_web.html
http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/how_much_memory_will_i_need_for_my_digital_camera.html



From michael at weblore.com  Sat Dec 23 00:53:56 2006
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:53:56 -0600
Subject: Printing pictures
Message-ID: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>

In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without white
margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?

Thanks in advance




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 23 01:28:06 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:28:06 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 22 December 2006 7:53 pm, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
> pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
> flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without white
> margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?

Probably the best thing is KPrinter.  Be sure to click the "Properties" 
button, and play with the settings on the "Images" tab to try to get the best 
results.

The best isn't that good, in my opinion, but it's better than anything else 
I've tried.  Many people recommend using the GIMP to print, but I've never 
been able to figure out how to get that to work for anything that isn't on 
the list in the GIMP, and it doesn't include any printer or anything close to 
any printer I've ever tried to use, and if there are any clear instructions 
that make perfect sense, they're well disguised.

Printing photos is a bit of a trouble spot for Linux as far as I can see.  
Maybe someone will make both of us a better suggestion.

In the meantime, I do all my photo printing with commercial services.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Sat Dec 23 03:33:14 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:33:14 -0700
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <1166844794.5577.19.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 20:28 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Friday 22 December 2006 7:53 pm, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> > In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
> > pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
> > flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without white
> > margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?
> 
> Probably the best thing is KPrinter.  Be sure to click the "Properties" 
> button, and play with the settings on the "Images" tab to try to get the best 
> results.
> 
> The best isn't that good, in my opinion, but it's better than anything else 
> I've tried.  Many people recommend using the GIMP to print, but I've never 
> been able to figure out how to get that to work for anything that isn't on 
> the list in the GIMP, and it doesn't include any printer or anything close to 
> any printer I've ever tried to use, and if there are any clear instructions 
> that make perfect sense, they're well disguised.
> 
> Printing photos is a bit of a trouble spot for Linux as far as I can see.  
> Maybe someone will make both of us a better suggestion.
> 
> In the meantime, I do all my photo printing with commercial services.
> 
> -- 
> D. Michael McIntyre 
> 
This is probably going to get me flamed . The only satisfactory programs
I have for QUALITY printing to RECENT pcl3 printers are Picassa2 from
google and Corel Photopaint from the Corel 9 suite which runs on
Crossover beta. The latter only works on Postscript printers without
hacking a bit. The GIMPRINT drivers are woefully obsolete, for many
current printers the only working choice is to emualte an HP5xx era
printer at 300DPI which is useless.

Also I have compiled the full HPILP/HPJIS as the ubuntu version was
found wanting.

The trick to using GIMP if you so desire is to ALWAYS export it to a
Postscript File.  Then print the file. OR use Gimp to set up your pics
Gamma Contrast etc.then do your layout with Scribus.

for general purpose home use. I recommend googles picassa2 alone or
along with digikam.

I have been mostly using digikam and GIMP to access and adjust the
images. All of our digital camera pics are done 5-10 megapixels. I use
GIMP to bring them down to web size resolution etc. for PCL printers I
then use Picassa to make the prints. Digikam's cropping and adjustment
tools are usally used first though (red eye remover etc) as the pics are
ususally downloaded to my iBOOK immediately to check them out on a
screen not made for Lilliputians.

Bryann  (Melvin Graphics)






From claydoh at claydoh.com  Sat Dec 23 04:13:49 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:13:49 -0500
Subject: [dapper] can't access usb scanner as normal user???
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<200612202156.44121.claydoh@claydoh.com>
	
Message-ID: <200612222314.13641.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Friday 22 December 2006 1:15 pm, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> It would appear that on Wed, Dec 20 2006, claydoh did say:
> > I don't think the System Settings module is causing any problems in
> > regards to your scanner.
> > A possibility is there is a problem with the udev rules that assign
> > permissions to plug and play devices, possibly caused during your
> > upgrade.  Look in /etc/udev/rules.d for a file called 45-libsane.rules,
> > and see if your scanner is listed in there.
> >
> > Mine shows these lines, around line 559:
> > # Memorex MEM 48U
> > SYSFS{idVendor}=="05d8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="4005", MODE="664",
> > GROUP="scanner"
> >
> > But on my Dapper running in vmware, your scanner is not listed there at
> > all, not even under a different name. You can try adding the lines above
> > to that file and try unplugging the scanner and plugging it back in. You
> > also may need to restart udev:
> > sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
> >
> > I sure hope this fixes it as I am at a loss after this
>
> Thankyou! that was the problem... And I didn't even need to restart udev.
>
>
>
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Whew!!
/me wipes sweat from brow
I am glad it is working!

I remember having to jump through burning hoops to get a dirt cheap Mustek 
scannner to work a while back, then once it was fully supported in a stable 
version of sane, the darned thing died :)

-- 
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http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
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From ian at themagictree.co.uk  Sat Dec 23 08:54:14 2006
From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:54:14 +0000
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <1166844794.5577.19.camel@localhost>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>	<200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<1166844794.5577.19.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <458CEEB6.9010303@themagictree.co.uk>

bryann wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 20:28 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>   
>> On Friday 22 December 2006 7:53 pm, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
>>     
>>> In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
>>> pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
>>> flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without white
>>> margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?
>>>       
>> Probably the best thing is KPrinter.  Be sure to click the "Properties" 
>> button, and play with the settings on the "Images" tab to try to get the best 
>> results.
>>
>> The best isn't that good, in my opinion, but it's better than anything else 
>> I've tried.  Many people recommend using the GIMP to print, but I've never 
>> been able to figure out how to get that to work for anything that isn't on 
>> the list in the GIMP, and it doesn't include any printer or anything close to 
>> any printer I've ever tried to use, and if there are any clear instructions 
>> that make perfect sense, they're well disguised.
>>
>> Printing photos is a bit of a trouble spot for Linux as far as I can see.  
>> Maybe someone will make both of us a better suggestion.
>>
>> In the meantime, I do all my photo printing with commercial services.
>>
>> -- 
>> D. Michael McIntyre 
>>
>>     
> This is probably going to get me flamed . The only satisfactory programs
> I have for QUALITY printing to RECENT pcl3 printers are Picassa2 from
> google and Corel Photopaint from the Corel 9 suite which runs on
> Crossover beta. The latter only works on Postscript printers without
> hacking a bit. The GIMPRINT drivers are woefully obsolete, for many
> current printers the only working choice is to emualte an HP5xx era
> printer at 300DPI which is useless.
>
> Also I have compiled the full HPILP/HPJIS as the ubuntu version was
> found wanting.
>
> The trick to using GIMP if you so desire is to ALWAYS export it to a
> Postscript File.  Then print the file. OR use Gimp to set up your pics
> Gamma Contrast etc.then do your layout with Scribus.
>
> for general purpose home use. I recommend googles picassa2 alone or
> along with digikam.
>
> I have been mostly using digikam and GIMP to access and adjust the
> images. All of our digital camera pics are done 5-10 megapixels. I use
> GIMP to bring them down to web size resolution etc. for PCL printers I
> then use Picassa to make the prints. Digikam's cropping and adjustment
> tools are usally used first though (red eye remover etc) as the pics are
> ususally downloaded to my iBOOK immediately to check them out on a
> screen not made for Lilliputians.
>
> Bryann  (Melvin Graphics)
>
>
>
>
>   

I would use GIMP for any touch-up work, colour correction, cropping, 
contrast adjustment etc. The printing from GIMP is hard to recommend - 
for me the quality of its drivers are unusable even for very rough 
drafting. Having tried the range of both KDE and Gnome photo apps, and 
really wanting to use FOSS solutions, I find that Picasa2 is *by far* 
the best solution for printing and managing photos, despite being 
free-but-not-fully-open-source.

Printing to standard sizes is handled so easily it makes you weep - 4x6 
is supported btw, as are contact prints and some basic (but competent) 
image enhancements. (Of course if you want to print to a non-standard 
size, like 7x9, you appear to be out of luck!)

The .debs for Debian/Ubuntu can be found with full instructions via:

http://picasa.google.com/linux/

-- 
Ian




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Dec 23 13:53:18 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:53:18 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <458CEEB6.9010303@themagictree.co.uk>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com> <1166844794.5577.19.camel@localhost>
	<458CEEB6.9010303@themagictree.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612230853.18604.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 03:54, Ian Rose wrote:
>bryann wrote:
>> On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 20:28 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>>> On Friday 22 December 2006 7:53 pm, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
>>>> In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
>>>> pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
>>>> flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without
>>>> white margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?
>>>
>>> Probably the best thing is KPrinter.  Be sure to click the
>>> "Properties" button, and play with the settings on the "Images" tab
>>> to try to get the best results.
>>>
>>> The best isn't that good, in my opinion, but it's better than
>>> anything else I've tried.  Many people recommend using the GIMP to
>>> print, but I've never been able to figure out how to get that to work
>>> for anything that isn't on the list in the GIMP, and it doesn't
>>> include any printer or anything close to any printer I've ever tried
>>> to use, and if there are any clear instructions that make perfect
>>> sense, they're well disguised.
>>>
>>> Printing photos is a bit of a trouble spot for Linux as far as I can
>>> see. Maybe someone will make both of us a better suggestion.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I do all my photo printing with commercial services.
>>>
>>> --
>>> D. Michael McIntyre
>>
>> This is probably going to get me flamed . The only satisfactory
>> programs I have for QUALITY printing to RECENT pcl3 printers are
>> Picassa2 from google and Corel Photopaint from the Corel 9 suite which
>> runs on Crossover beta. The latter only works on Postscript printers
>> without hacking a bit. The GIMPRINT drivers are woefully obsolete, for
>> many current printers the only working choice is to emualte an HP5xx
>> era printer at 300DPI which is useless.
>>
>> Also I have compiled the full HPILP/HPJIS as the ubuntu version was
>> found wanting.
>>
>> The trick to using GIMP if you so desire is to ALWAYS export it to a
>> Postscript File.  Then print the file. OR use Gimp to set up your pics
>> Gamma Contrast etc.then do your layout with Scribus.
>>
>> for general purpose home use. I recommend googles picassa2 alone or
>> along with digikam.
>>
>> I have been mostly using digikam and GIMP to access and adjust the
>> images. All of our digital camera pics are done 5-10 megapixels. I use
>> GIMP to bring them down to web size resolution etc. for PCL printers I
>> then use Picassa to make the prints. Digikam's cropping and adjustment
>> tools are usally used first though (red eye remover etc) as the pics
>> are ususally downloaded to my iBOOK immediately to check them out on a
>> screen not made for Lilliputians.
>>
>> Bryann  (Melvin Graphics)
>
>I would use GIMP for any touch-up work, colour correction, cropping,
>contrast adjustment etc. The printing from GIMP is hard to recommend -
>for me the quality of its drivers are unusable even for very rough
>drafting. Having tried the range of both KDE and Gnome photo apps, and
>really wanting to use FOSS solutions, I find that Picasa2 is *by far*
>the best solution for printing and managing photos, despite being
>free-but-not-fully-open-source.
>
>Printing to standard sizes is handled so easily it makes you weep - 4x6
>is supported btw, as are contact prints and some basic (but competent)
>image enhancements. (Of course if you want to print to a non-standard
>size, like 7x9, you appear to be out of luck!)
>
>The .debs for Debian/Ubuntu can be found with full instructions via:
>
>http://picasa.google.com/linux/
>
>--
>Ian

Folks come in here and lambast gimp-print-plugin without ever giving it a 
chance & its getting a bit old...

Remove both it and gimp-print, then install gutenprint which is the new 
name for it, then reinstall the gimp-print-plugin.  If you've already a 
decent printer and here I'm a die-hard epson fan, jerk out foomatic by 
any means at your disposal including rm, and use the gutenprint drivers 
when you set the printer up with the cupsd web server at 
.  I think you'll be pleased with the results.

I have a now elderly epson C82, only a 4 color printer, but I have sold 
prints from that printer that were every bit as good as I can go into the 
darkroom and make, and I've been doing exactly that intermittently since 
the later '60's so I know what I'm doing there too, even to the extent of 
formulating my own color paper developer that was considerably more 
stable than the store stuff.

I also have a C88, a 6 color printer but haven't spent the time to 
fine-tune it yet.  The C82 ppd's are of course much more mature and are 
generally pretty well on target.  And in the epson case they are a huge 
improvement over the same drivers in gimp-print-4.2.7.

Maybe, when the distro's get off their duff and start supplying gutenprint 
as the default, things will improve.  In the meantime, send them 
nastygrams asking when they'll switch.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 23 15:31:40 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:31:40 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <200612230853.18604.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<458CEEB6.9010303@themagictree.co.uk>
	<200612230853.18604.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200612231031.40770.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 8:53 am, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Folks come in here and lambast gimp-print-plugin without ever giving it a
> chance & its getting a bit old...

Reading back over the thread, it is clear to me that all three of us who 
responded *have*, in fact, given the thing a chance.  By "without ever giving 
it a chance" I think you must mean "without ever getting it working."

They're not the same thing.

I've read back over what I said, and I find that it was calm, reasonable, and 
by no means a lambast.

Thank you for publishing a recipe that might achieve some good result with 
that thing.

Unfortunately, I won't be making use of it, because I no longer own a color 
printer.

> as the default, things will improve.  In the meantime, send them
> nastygrams asking when they'll switch.

Or better still, ask them politely, so your request is less likely to be 
ignored.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 23 16:23:06 2006
From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:23:06 -0500
Subject: Has X changed?  Screen Flicker Problems
Message-ID: <200612231123.06772.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com>

When I returned to my Kubuntu box yesterday morning, my screen was stuttering.  
Every second the screen would flicker.  A shift by only a few pixels would 
cascade down the sides of my LCD screen.

My windows install on my new Windows box is rock-solid and stable, so the 
point of trouble is not my LCD monitor.  (Dell, good quality.)

Have there been any changes to Xorg lately that could have introduced this 
change?  Before, during a Kubuntu install, everything would be stable and 
now, even booting off the install CD for a fresh install, my screen in Linux 
is unstable.

Perhaps some hardware gurus know something I don't.

Thanks, Bob



From padrongj at fq.uh.cu  Sat Dec 23 16:50:33 2006
From: padrongj at fq.uh.cu (Juan Alexander Padron)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:50:33 -0500
Subject: NTFS issue... solved!
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612231150.33716.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>

Hi, people,

Finally I decided to install ntfs-3g. And all my troubles are gone. My fstab 
looks now like this:

proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
/dev/hda7       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
/dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
/dev/hda1       /media/hda1     vfat    rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
/dev/hdb2       /media/hdb2     ntfs-3g 
silent,umask=0,locale=es_AR.utf8,no_def_opts,allow_other 0 0
/dev/hdb5       /media/hdb5     vfat    rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
/dev/sda1       /media/sda1     vfat    rw,user,noauto  0        0
/dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1     vfat    rw,user,noauto  0        0
/dev/hdd1       /media/F/       vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       
0

and ntfs-3g just do the trick! Now I have full access to the NTFS partition. I 
now that ntfs-3g keep saying that is still beta and not recommended, but it 
rocks! Anyway before doing that I tried your suggestions and NTFS was in fact 
visible. Thanks a lot.

Best Regards,


-- 
L-----Q               Juan Alexander Padron Garcia
 C---T       Laboratorio de Quimica Computacional y Teorica   
  U.H     Facultad de Quimica, Universidad de la Habana  
 L---Q                    padrongj at fq.uh.cu 
C-----T              padron.alexander at gmail.com



From diiar at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 23 17:06:25 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:06:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: increase mic volume
Message-ID: <419078.49439.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
Now, I find that my microphone must have some problem.
Before, it worked fine but now the volume of my
microphone is too soft that the person on the other
end of my line can't hear me when I'm using skype or
other apps. I don't know why. Do you know how to check
or how to increase the volume of the microphone? I
searched on the internet and I found this command to
increase the headphone volume and this is the result :

diiar at diiar-laptop:~$ amixer sset Headphone 1+
Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
  Capabilities: pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback [on]
  Front Right: Playback [on]

But nothing changes. My microphone is still too soft.
I would like to make sure that it's my mic that
doesn't work well or the settings.
Please help me find the solution if you know.

Thank you in advance.
Diiar

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From jriddell at ubuntu.com  Sat Dec 23 17:35:12 2006
From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:35:12 +0000
Subject: [kubuntu-users] KDE gparted alternative?
In-Reply-To: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
References: <200612211845.23713.sniffy@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20061223173512.GJ3858@muse.19inch.net>

On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 06:45:23PM -0500, Chris Gow wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I have come across the need to resize a couple of ext3 partitions on my 
> Kubuntu system. I have heard of gparted, but I would rather stick with a KDE 
> app mainly because I don't feel like bringing down a lot gnome stuff for a 
> tool that I'm only going to use once.
> 
> I've seen kparted and qtparted. But from their sites it looks like neither do 
> what I need to do. Does anyone know if they support resizing ext3 partitions? 
> Or any other alternatives?

I'd recommend gparted over qtparted, it's much better maintained.

Jonathan



From haroldh at midmaine.com  Sat Dec 23 19:19:29 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:19:29 -0500
Subject: increase mic volume
In-Reply-To: <419078.49439.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <419078.49439.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458D8141.2090400@midmaine.com>

nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:
> Hi
> Now, I find that my microphone must have some problem.
> Before, it worked fine but now the volume of my
> microphone is too soft that the person on the other
> end of my line can't hear me when I'm using skype or
> other apps. I don't know why. Do you know how to check
> or how to increase the volume of the microphone? I
> searched on the internet and I found this command to
> increase the headphone volume and this is the result :
>
> diiar at diiar-laptop:~$ amixer sset Headphone 1+
> Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
>   Capabilities: pswitch
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback [on]
>   Front Right: Playback [on]
>
> But nothing changes. My microphone is still too soft.
> I would like to make sure that it's my mic that
> doesn't work well or the settings.
> Please help me find the solution if you know.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Diiar
>
>   
I have the same problem as in dapper and edgy.
The mic doesn't allow anyone to hear me with skype or gizmo or other 
VoIP apps.
I have not yet found a way to fix the problem.

Harold




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Dec 23 20:01:19 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:01:19 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <200612231031.40770.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<200612230853.18604.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200612231031.40770.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612231501.19907.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 10:31, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>On Saturday 23 December 2006 8:53 am, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Folks come in here and lambast gimp-print-plugin without ever giving
>> it a chance & its getting a bit old...
>
>Reading back over the thread, it is clear to me that all three of us who
>responded *have*, in fact, given the thing a chance.  By "without ever
> giving it a chance" I think you must mean "without ever getting it
> working."
>
>They're not the same thing.
>
>I've read back over what I said, and I find that it was calm,
> reasonable, and by no means a lambast.
>
>Thank you for publishing a recipe that might achieve some good result
> with that thing.
>
>Unfortunately, I won't be making use of it, because I no longer own a
> color printer.
>
>> as the default, things will improve.  In the meantime, send them
>> nastygrams asking when they'll switch.
>
>Or better still, ask them politely, so your request is less likely to be
>ignored.
>
Chuckle, one must occasionally point out that gimp-print is now something 
like 3 years old, and that gutenprint is still being actively developed 
by the same very knowledgeable people from the same code base, only the 
name has changed.

Sugar coating may make it more palletable, but the facts ARE the facts.  
But yes, some sugar is needed in many cases where the packagers aren't 
particularly interested in quality hard copy.  Robert K. cannot demand 
they switch, but if enough users ask, it will probably happen.

>--
>D. Michael McIntyre

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Dec 23 20:02:53 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:02:53 -0500
Subject: increase mic volume
In-Reply-To: <419078.49439.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <419078.49439.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612231502.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 12:06, nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:
>Hi
>Now, I find that my microphone must have some problem.
>Before, it worked fine but now the volume of my
>microphone is too soft that the person on the other
>end of my line can't hear me when I'm using skype or
>other apps. I don't know why. Do you know how to check
>or how to increase the volume of the microphone? I
>searched on the internet and I found this command to
>increase the headphone volume and this is the result :
>
>diiar at diiar-laptop:~$ amixer sset Headphone 1+
>Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
>  Capabilities: pswitch
>  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>  Mono:
>  Front Left: Playback [on]
>  Front Right: Playback [on]
>
>But nothing changes. My microphone is still too soft.
>I would like to make sure that it's my mic that
>doesn't work well or the settings.
>Please help me find the solution if you know.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>Diiar

Your mixer panel should have a +20db gain switch, its probably been turned 
off somehow.

>__________________________________________________
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-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From m-wright at eskimo.com  Sat Dec 23 21:04:46 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:04:46 -0800
Subject: Access to repositories
Message-ID: <458D99EE.2080809@eskimo.com>

I've been happily using RedHat 8 for several years.  I have a spare 
laptop (Toshiba Satellite L25-S119: Celeron with 60 Mb disk) and I 
installed Kubuntu 6.06 LTS from a Canonical DVD.  I like it and the 
installed applications seem to work fine.  I can access the Web or the 
file system using Konqueror.  Kppp connects me properly.  Kmail works 
fine as does Open Office 2.0.

I'm not sure, though, that everything that I need is actually there. 
 Although there are various gcc 3.3 and 4.0 libraries and other files, 
there appear to be no gcc executables.  When I access Adept Installer 
via K Menu => Add/Remove Programs, the list of programs displayed 
remains pretty limited whether or not I change from "KDE" to "Any Suite" 
and check "unsupported" and "proprietary software."  The categories 
"development" and "science" remain empty.  I'm not sure how to determine 
just what ought to be there.

On installation, all the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list were commented 
out with the header:

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:

I uncommented the lines in sources.list that ought to give me access to 
the main repositories, the universe, and the multiverse with no change. 
 The options in the pulldown menus for Adept Installer are limited and 
lead me to believe that Adept Installer is not "seeing" the connection 
to the Internet.  The path Help => Adept Installer Handbook doesn't 
bring up the Handbook.  My Adept Installer is Version 2.0 Destroyer.  My 
KDE is Release 3.5.2.

I reinstalled Kubuntu from scratch and the results are the same.

Any thoughts?


Thanks in advance,


Maynard Wright
 






From haroldh at midmaine.com  Sat Dec 23 22:29:00 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:29:00 -0500
Subject: increase mic volume
In-Reply-To: <200612231502.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <419078.49439.qm@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200612231502.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <458DADAC.7080803@midmaine.com>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 23 December 2006 12:06, nutchanat sattayakawee wrote:
>   
>> Hi
>> Now, I find that my microphone must have some problem.
>> Before, it worked fine but now the volume of my
>> microphone is too soft that the person on the other
>> end of my line can't hear me when I'm using skype or
>> other apps. I don't know why. Do you know how to check
>> or how to increase the volume of the microphone? I
>> searched on the internet and I found this command to
>> increase the headphone volume and this is the result :
>>
>> diiar at diiar-laptop:~$ amixer sset Headphone 1+
>> Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
>>  Capabilities: pswitch
>>  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>>  Mono:
>>  Front Left: Playback [on]
>>  Front Right: Playback [on]
>>
>> But nothing changes. My microphone is still too soft.
>> I would like to make sure that it's my mic that
>> doesn't work well or the settings.
>> Please help me find the solution if you know.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Diiar
>>     
>
> Your mixer panel should have a +20db gain switch, its probably been turned 
> off somehow.
>
>   
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I even turned that on and does not help at all...

Harold




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 23 22:55:41 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:55:41 -0500
Subject: Access to repositories
In-Reply-To: <458D99EE.2080809@eskimo.com>
References: <458D99EE.2080809@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <200612231755.41847.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 4:04 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:

> I reinstalled Kubuntu from scratch and the results are the same.
>
> Any thoughts?

Changing sources.list doesn't update the package lists.

It looks like you want to Adept -> Fetch Updates and go from there, but I am 
just guessing.  I don't actually use any graphical package managers, being a 
dinosaur.

If all else fails, you can edit sources.list, then

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

which will get you completely up to date with all the latest versions of 
packages in the repository.  From there, you can install missing applications 
on an as-needed basis, probably even using the graphical tools like Adept and 
Synaptic.  Definitely with apt-get and aptitude.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From ejviolet at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 23 23:02:03 2006
From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:02:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Access to repositories
Message-ID: <796512.58689.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

>>I uncommented the lines in sources.list that ought to give me
access to the main repositories, the universe, and the multiverse
with no change. 

>>Any thoughts?

I had problems with repositories in 5.10. I edited sources.list and
deleted all instances of us in the repositories listings. I did the
same with 6.06 and haven't had any problems.

Earl

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From jh_sandberg at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 24 00:40:14 2006
From: jh_sandberg at yahoo.com (Juha Sandberg)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:40:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Printing pictures
Message-ID: <20061224004014.92167.qmail@web58201.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

There's one more very good solution for printing pictures in Kubuntu, and it's Open Office. First I download pictures from camera via usb with Digikam. Then I edit them with Digikam or Gimp, if necessary, and saving them somewhere I want. Then in Open Office Word Processor I open the picture, and there, resizing is very easy by dragging with mouse. And there's many changes to setup printerdriver before printing. My printer is HP6540, and  I've been satisfied quality of pictures doing like this. Even this isn't very professional way, I prompt you to try it!



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Satterwhite 
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions 
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:53:56 AM
Subject: Printing pictures

In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without white
margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?

Thanks in advance


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From michael at weblore.com  Sun Dec 24 00:54:03 2006
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:54:03 -0600
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <200612231501.19907.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>	<200612230853.18604.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<200612231031.40770.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612231501.19907.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <458DCFAB.8090103@weblore.com>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 23 December 2006 10:31, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>> On Saturday 23 December 2006 8:53 am, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Folks come in here and lambast gimp-print-plugin without ever giving
>>> it a chance & its getting a bit old...
>> Reading back over the thread, it is clear to me that all three of us who
>> responded *have*, in fact, given the thing a chance.  By "without ever
>> giving it a chance" I think you must mean "without ever getting it
>> working."
>>
>> They're not the same thing.
>>
>> I've read back over what I said, and I find that it was calm,
>> reasonable, and by no means a lambast.
>>
>> Thank you for publishing a recipe that might achieve some good result
>> with that thing.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I won't be making use of it, because I no longer own a
>> color printer.
>>
>>> as the default, things will improve.  In the meantime, send them
>>> nastygrams asking when they'll switch.
>> Or better still, ask them politely, so your request is less likely to be
>> ignored.
>>
> Chuckle, one must occasionally point out that gimp-print is now something 
> like 3 years old, and that gutenprint is still being actively developed 
> by the same very knowledgeable people from the same code base, only the 
> name has changed.
> 
> Sugar coating may make it more palletable, but the facts ARE the facts.  
> But yes, some sugar is needed in many cases where the packagers aren't 
> particularly interested in quality hard copy.  Robert K. cannot demand 
> they switch, but if enough users ask, it will probably happen.

I'M SO CONFUSED.....

>From reading this thread, it APPEARS that some (or all) of you have been
able to get 4x6 pictures to print in Linux, but I'm still not sure
*HOW*. Given that things aren't what they need to be, could one (all?
I'm easy) of you let me know a way to do it. Then I'll be glad to join
in the technical discussion of what works and what doesn't.

TIA
---Michael



From michael at weblore.com  Sun Dec 24 01:24:06 2006
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:24:06 -0600
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <20061224004014.92167.qmail@web58201.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20061224004014.92167.qmail@web58201.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458DD6B6.9020106@weblore.com>

Juha Sandberg wrote:
> There's one more very good solution for printing pictures in Kubuntu,
> and it's Open Office. First I download pictures from camera via usb with
> Digikam. Then I edit them with Digikam or Gimp, if necessary, and saving
> them somewhere I want. Then in Open Office Word Processor I open the
> picture, and there, resizing is very easy by dragging with mouse. And
> there's many changes to setup printerdriver before printing. My printer
> is HP6540, and I've been satisfied quality of pictures doing like this.
> Even this isn't very professional way, I prompt you to try it!

Actually, this is what I tried first - but I couldn't get it to print a
4x6 picture ... it only printed part of it. If it's working for you,
then obviously I'm doing something wrong.

What settings are you using for paper / portrait - landscape / etc.?



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Sun Dec 24 02:13:30 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:13:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <20061224004014.92167.qmail@web58201.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <398197.24100.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Juha Sandberg  wrote:

> There's one more very good solution for printing
> pictures in Kubuntu, and it's Open Office. First I
> download pictures from camera via usb with Digikam.
> Then I edit them with Digikam or Gimp, if necessary,
> and saving them somewhere I want. Then in Open
> Office Word Processor I open the picture, and there,
> resizing is very easy by dragging with mouse. And
> there's many changes to setup printerdriver before
> printing. My printer is HP6540, and  I've been
> satisfied quality of pictures doing like this. Even
> this isn't very professional way, I prompt you to
> try it!
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Satterwhite 
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> 
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:53:56 AM
> Subject: Printing pictures
> 
> In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend
> for printing
> pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital
> camera (I use a
> flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6
> (possibly without white
> margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for
> this?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
OK I STILL have to recommend picassa for this. for
these small prints we use Picassa. I don't know if the
stock hpilp/hjifs in ubuntu will print borderless
prints on 4by 6 paper.

Picassa CAN however print two 4by6 prints on a full
sheet with picassa on the stock hpilp as the printer
unprintable area is then not a factor.

We actually use this method to produce heavy card
stock  postcards on an older HP commercial printer
that needs larger margins than newer machines.

On gutenprint: that may or may not work well, but
Gimprint is obsolete.

As we use mainly  HP equipment we use HPILP compiled.
The Ubuntu implemetation is missing a lot of
functions.

FWIW we DO use pther programs to in particular Corel
Graphics suite via Crossover. GIMP is nice but it
cannot do everything yet. Particularly as professional
printing needs to use the Pantone
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Satterwhite 
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> 
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:53:56 AM
> Subject: Printing pictures
> 
> In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend
> for printing
> pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital
> camera (I use a
> flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6
> (possibly without white
> margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for
> this?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
OK I STILL have to recommend picassa for this. for
these small prints we use Picassa. I don't know if the
stock hpilp/hjifs in ubuntu will print borderless
prints on 4by 6 paper. One of our printers does this
directly from the Camera's card

Picassa CAN however definitely print two 4by6 prints
on a full sheet with picassa on the stock hpilp as the
printer unprintable area is then not a factor.

We actually use this method to produce heavy card
stock  postcards on an older HP commercial printer
that needs larger margins than newer machines.

On gutenprint: that may or may not work well, but
Gimprint is obsolete.

As we use mainly  HP equipment we use HPILP. Compiling
Gutenprint is something I haven't looked at. I HAVE
the ubuntu gutenprint debs...I haven't seen much
improvement.from installing them,

Picassa is the simplest we've found for quality prints
up to 8 by 10. It DOES take a long to to get ready to
print High resolution prints.

For Larger we use Corel Photo Paint via Crossover. a
Professional suite is necessary . AFAIK there isn't a
OSS solution to color seperations/Pantone system. Of
course the result of ANY graphics program GIMP
commercial etc output to Postscript  ps eps etc can be
handled well by Linux.  You DON't really need the
postscript printer.

Lastly I'm just saying what works for a professional
artist.  IF the purists want us to use all OSS then
please make it useable. Not angry not bitching I just
need to use what works.

Someone brought up Open Office. We had problems with
that with large format prints only printing an 8.5 by
14 area of a 14 by 29 sheet.(this was crossplatform
bug)I do not know if that has been fixed. It worked on
small paper sizes.

Bryann




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Dec 24 03:47:32 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:47:32 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <458DCFAB.8090103@weblore.com>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<200612231501.19907.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<458DCFAB.8090103@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <200612232247.33068.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:54, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Saturday 23 December 2006 10:31, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>>> On Saturday 23 December 2006 8:53 am, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>> Folks come in here and lambast gimp-print-plugin without ever giving
>>>> it a chance & its getting a bit old...
>>>
>>> Reading back over the thread, it is clear to me that all three of us
>>> who responded *have*, in fact, given the thing a chance.  By "without
>>> ever giving it a chance" I think you must mean "without ever getting
>>> it working."
>>>
>>> They're not the same thing.
>>>
>>> I've read back over what I said, and I find that it was calm,
>>> reasonable, and by no means a lambast.
>>>
>>> Thank you for publishing a recipe that might achieve some good result
>>> with that thing.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I won't be making use of it, because I no longer own a
>>> color printer.
>>>
>>>> as the default, things will improve.  In the meantime, send them
>>>> nastygrams asking when they'll switch.
>>>
>>> Or better still, ask them politely, so your request is less likely to
>>> be ignored.
>>
>> Chuckle, one must occasionally point out that gimp-print is now
>> something like 3 years old, and that gutenprint is still being
>> actively developed by the same very knowledgeable people from the same
>> code base, only the name has changed.
>>
>> Sugar coating may make it more palletable, but the facts ARE the
>> facts. But yes, some sugar is needed in many cases where the packagers
>> aren't particularly interested in quality hard copy.  Robert K. cannot
>> demand they switch, but if enough users ask, it will probably happen.
>
>I'M SO CONFUSED.....
>
>>From reading this thread, it APPEARS that some (or all) of you have been
>able to get 4x6 pictures to print in Linux, but I'm still not sure
>*HOW*. Given that things aren't what they need to be, could one (all?
>I'm easy) of you let me know a way to do it. Then I'll be glad to join
>in the technical discussion of what works and what doesn't.
>
Well, first I'll have to plead guilty to never having printed a 4x6 in my 
life, either in the darkroom or from my C82.  If I want say 4 prints to a 
page then they will be slightly under 4.25 x 5.5, and to do that I either 
have to remember the command line options to make imagemajik compose them 
for me, or just tell gimp-print I want such and such a size and run the 
paper through the printer 4 times, moving the target frame from one 
corner of the page to the next.  Rather cumbersome and time eating.  So a 
print that I want to be a good print, usually gets a sheet of good, 40-60 
pound matt finished paper to itself.

Somehow I've never convinced myself that a small printer that costs 2 to 
3x what the C88 costs today, is a worthwhile investment.  For those who 
are used to the photofinishers biggest prints, and equate that price at 
the finishers against the cost of one of those, then I suppose its a 
sellable item.  But that sheet of non-silver coated paper I feed the 
printer is now selling at 3x what I was paying for the silver based 
glossy color paper from somebody like Unichrome back then when I could 
turn out the lights and do an 8x10 glossy finished color print for a 
total cost of $0.65 if my time was free.  Sadly, those days are 25 years 
in the past, and its taken the digital print business until just 1-2 
years ago to even begin to be competitive quality wise if both were being 
fed high quality source images.  We have had a vast wasteland of wannabee 
stuff foisted off on us in the meantime.  IMO the cameras, if you bought 
the better ones, have been, and are still 2-3 generations ahead of the 
printers ability.  I have an Olympus C3020, 3.1 megapixel camera, $500 
new 5 years ago, and I'm just now beginning to see the chip 
miss-registration it has in the upper left quadrant of the image, but 
even at 3.1 megapixels I can make a usable print out of 20% of its image 
area blown up to 8x10, provided I stay away from that upper left corner 
of the image when I'm doing the blowup and cropping in the gimp.  If that 
gets to be a problem, well there is money to be thrown on the counter and 
a 10 megapixel camera gets bought.  Or put up with it, the choice is 
mine.  By the time I get around to fixing that, 30 megapixel stuff will 
be $149.95 at wallyworld.

>TIA
>---Michael

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Dec 24 03:50:11 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:50:11 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <20061224004014.92167.qmail@web58201.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20061224004014.92167.qmail@web58201.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612232250.12121.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:40, Juha Sandberg wrote:
>There's one more very good solution for printing pictures in Kubuntu,
> and it's Open Office. First I download pictures from camera via usb
> with Digikam. Then I edit them with Digikam or Gimp, if necessary, and
> saving them somewhere I want. Then in Open Office Word Processor I open
> the picture, and there, resizing is very easy by dragging with mouse.
> And there's many changes to setup printerdriver before printing. My
> printer is HP6540, and  I've been satisfied quality of pictures doing
> like this. Even this isn't very professional way, I prompt you to try
> it!

This is also true, I have composed and printed my photo christmas cards in 
openoffice for the last 3 years.  Works great,  You can even stretch 
things out a wee bit, tending to hide that bay window you just discovered 
you had.  :-)

>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Michael Satterwhite 
>To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions 
>Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:53:56 AM
>Subject: Printing pictures
>
>In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, what program do you recommend for printing
>pictures. e.g. If I have a jpg taken from my digital camera (I use a
>flash card reader) and want to print it to a 4x6 (possibly without white
>margins) on my HP 5440, what is the best package for this?
>
>Thanks in advance

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From rbmorse at comcast.net  Sun Dec 24 04:11:15 2006
From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:11:15 -0700
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <458DCFAB.8090103@weblore.com>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<200612231501.19907.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<458DCFAB.8090103@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <200612232111.15408.rbmorse@comcast.net>

> I'M SO CONFUSED.....
> 
> From reading this thread, it APPEARS that some (or all) of
> you have been able to get 4x6 pictures to print in Linux,
> but I'm still not sure *HOW*. Given that things aren't  
> what they need to be, could one (all? I'm easy) of you let 
> me know a way to do it. Then I'll be glad to join
> in the technical discussion of what works and what
> doesn't. 

Here's what I do... 

import images from the camera or card reader into a DigiKam 
album and adjust, color balance, fix, resize, etc. Use the 
transform aspect ratio crop tool with the aspect ratio set 
to 2:3 and crop as desired. Save. 

When I'm ready to print:

select the image
click print
click on printer settings
set paper size (4 X 6 photo index or photo with tab)
set orientation
click on margins tab and adjust as necessary for printer
click OK
make sure "print preview" box is enabled
click print
verify that what you see is what you want
click print. 

If your printer driver doesn't have a predefined setting for 
4 X 6 paper or photo paper with tab you may be screwed. You 
have to manually define a new custom paper size and 
associated settings.  This isn't hard, but the last time I 
tried to do it I couldn't make the custom paper 
definition "stick" and redoing it for each session got old.  




From rashid786 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 11:48:14 2006
From: rashid786 at gmail.com (Rashid ul Islam)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:48:14 +0000
Subject: Access to repositories
In-Reply-To: <796512.58689.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <796512.58689.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14cf5ea70612240348w455d77eap7605d2ab652a9afb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Are you sure you are using the proper Adept?

I know its confusing but for some reason there is the "Add/Remove" one
in the main K Menu and under System there is the proper Adept. Go
KMenu > System > Adept (might be called Package Manager or something
like that)

Hope that helps.

-Rashid



From rashid786 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 11:49:46 2006
From: rashid786 at gmail.com (Rashid ul Islam)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:49:46 +0000
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com>

Use Krdc and krfb. (client and server)

-Rashid



From rashid786 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 11:55:27 2006
From: rashid786 at gmail.com (Rashid ul Islam)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:55:27 +0000
Subject: System Settings changes in Edgy? sigh! [was kmenuedit missing]
In-Reply-To: 
References: <456A8BFF.8050007@bresnan.net>
	<200611271755.37420.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <14cf5ea70612240355l7cec8facv5b5706ae26ff775b@mail.gmail.com>

I dislike System Settings immensely. When I install cleanly, one of
the first things I do is remove the System Settings entry in the K
Menu and replace it with KControl (the original kde control centre).

As long as the Kubuntu teams leaves KControl alone, and the KDE team
doesn't go all gnome-simplicity-users-are-idiots on me, I'm happy :D

-Rashid



From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Sun Dec 24 12:34:31 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:34:31 -0500
Subject: System Settings changes in Edgy? sigh! [was kmenuedit missing]
In-Reply-To: <14cf5ea70612240355l7cec8facv5b5706ae26ff775b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <456A8BFF.8050007@bresnan.net>
	<200611271755.37420.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
	
	<14cf5ea70612240355l7cec8facv5b5706ae26ff775b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458E73D7.1080208@optonline.net>

Rashid ul Islam wrote:

>I dislike System Settings immensely. When I install cleanly, one of
>the first things I do is remove the System Settings entry in the K
>Menu and replace it with KControl (the original kde control centre).
>
>As long as the Kubuntu teams leaves KControl alone, and the KDE team
>doesn't go all gnome-simplicity-users-are-idiots on me, I'm happy :D
>
>-Rashid
>
>  
>
I concur.
I always use Kcontrol.

tony

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 13:27:14 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:27:14 +0200
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com>

On 24/12/06, Rashid ul Islam  wrote:
> Use Krdc and krfb. (client and server)
>
> -Rashid
>

Thanks, I had just discovered krdc. It seems that krdc is extremely
slow, however. A bit of googling led me to see that an older release
of the program claims to be slow because it uses only the outdated
protocols. I have seen no mention of this in the newer versions,
however, I find the default krdc program in Kubunu to be so slow as to
be unusable. I'd love to try TightVNC, but I can't seem to install it:
no ./configure script, and no executables in the tarball.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/333/mcintyre_joey.php
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ajax.html



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Dec 24 13:51:50 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:51:50 +0200
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>	<200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>	<880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>	<14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458E85F6.30908@mail.ee>

>> Use Krdc and krfb. (client and server)
> 
> Thanks, I had just discovered krdc. It seems that krdc is extremely
> slow, however. A bit of googling led me to see that an older release
> of the program claims to be slow because it uses only the outdated
> protocols. I have seen no mention of this in the newer versions,
> however, I find the default krdc program in Kubunu to be so slow as to
> be unusable. I'd love to try TightVNC, but I can't seem to install it:
> no ./configure script, and no executables in the tarball.

Perhaps would FreeNX have better perfomance (and security):
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97277
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
http://www.debianadmin.com/securely-administring-remote-machines-using-freenx-in-ubuntu.html

Packages:
http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/


For more results, please visit http://www.google.ee/search?q=freenx+ubuntu


Best Regards,
Edmund



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 14:47:49 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:47:49 +0200
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <458E85F6.30908@mail.ee>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<458E85F6.30908@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <880dece00612240647t31388bf4i55095b8985eb5253@mail.gmail.com>

On 24/12/06, Edmund Laugasson  wrote:
> >> Use Krdc and krfb. (client and server)
> >
> > Thanks, I had just discovered krdc. It seems that krdc is extremely
> > slow, however. A bit of googling led me to see that an older release
> > of the program claims to be slow because it uses only the outdated
> > protocols. I have seen no mention of this in the newer versions,
> > however, I find the default krdc program in Kubunu to be so slow as to
> > be unusable. I'd love to try TightVNC, but I can't seem to install it:
> > no ./configure script, and no executables in the tarball.
>
> Perhaps would FreeNX have better perfomance (and security):
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97277
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
> http://www.debianadmin.com/securely-administring-remote-machines-using-freenx-in-ubuntu.html
>
> Packages:
> http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/
>
>
> For more results, please visit http://www.google.ee/search?q=freenx+ubuntu
>

Thanks for that. I will definetly try this out. It won't help me
connect to Browsercam, but it may be good for connecting the laptop to
the home machine while I'm away.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com/what_is/rss.html
http://gmail-com.com/faq.php



From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com  Sun Dec 24 17:36:01 2006
From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:36:01 -0500
Subject: Has X changed?  Screen Flicker Problems
Message-ID: <200612241236.01594.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com>

When I returned to my Kubuntu box yesterday morning, my screen was
 stuttering. Every second the screen would flicker.  A shift by only a few
 pixels would cascade down the sides of my LCD screen.

My windows install on my new Windows box is rock-solid and stable, so the
point of trouble is not my LCD monitor.  (Dell, good quality.)

Have there been any changes to Xorg lately that could have introduced this
change?  Before, during a Kubuntu install, everything would be stable and
now, even booting off the install CD for a fresh install, my screen in Linux
is unstable.

Perhaps some hardware gurus know something I don't.

Thanks, Bob



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 20:17:58 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:47:58 +0330
Subject: Kontact questions
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I had some questions about Kontact:

1- Is it possible to hide Kontact in the tray?
2- When adding a new To-do item, two resources with the identical name
"Default KOrganizer resource" appear. Isn't this a bug?
2.5- What is a resource? :p
3- The remainders are not working, i.e I never see a remainder dialog
for the items I have created a remainder for.
4- Can I use a .ogg file as remainder audio alarm?

Best regards,
Behi

-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 20:24:55 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:54:55 +0330
Subject: Strange error when lunching programs
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612241224h35786351nf2132ec628ec113e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

When I run some programs (such as KOrganizer) from the shell, I
receive this error:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
  Major opcode:  145
  Minor opcode:  3
  Resource id:  0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
  Major opcode:  145
  Minor opcode:  3
  Resource id:  0x0
Failed to open device

Any ideas why does it show up and how can I fix it?

Regards,
Behi

-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 20:48:23 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:18:23 +0330
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612241248w2d07c0e9y2fd20b092cb7a366@mail.gmail.com>

Seems the problem for the reminder has to be with the same settings or
something similar. I ran KOrgarnizer from shell and I received these
errors:

behrangsa at behrangsa:~$ QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000
QTime::setHMS Invalid time -1:-1:-1.000

Any ideas how can I fix it?

Regards,
Behi

On 12/24/06, Behrang Saeedzadeh  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had some questions about Kontact:
>
> 1- Is it possible to hide Kontact in the tray?
> 2- When adding a new To-do item, two resources with the identical name
> "Default KOrganizer resource" appear. Isn't this a bug?
> 2.5- What is a resource? :p
> 3- The remainders are not working, i.e I never see a remainder dialog
> for the items I have created a remainder for.
> 4- Can I use a .ogg file as remainder audio alarm?
>
> Best regards,
> Behi
>
> --
> "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
> - Alan Turing
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh
> http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
> http://my.opera.com/behrangsa
>


-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From m-wright at eskimo.com  Sun Dec 24 05:20:35 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:20:35 -0800
Subject: Access to repositories
References: <458D99EE.2080809@eskimo.com>
	<200612231755.41847.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <458E0E23.2070305@eskimo.com>

  The procedure using apt-get below worked fine after I eliminated "us" 
from the locations specified in /etc/apt/sources.list as suggested by 
Earl Violet.

Thanks to both of you,


Maynard

------------------------------

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

>On Saturday 23 December 2006 4:04 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I reinstalled Kubuntu from scratch and the results are the same.
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>    
>>
>
>Changing sources.list doesn't update the package lists.
>
>It looks like you want to Adept -> Fetch Updates and go from there, but I am 
>just guessing.  I don't actually use any graphical package managers, being a 
>dinosaur.
>
>If all else fails, you can edit sources.list, then
>
>sudo apt-get update
>sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>
>which will get you completely up to date with all the latest versions of 
>packages in the repository.  From there, you can install missing applications 
>on an as-needed basis, probably even using the graphical tools like Adept and 
>Synaptic.  Definitely with apt-get and aptitude.
>
>  
>






From m-wright at eskimo.com  Sun Dec 24 21:31:00 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:31:00 -0800
Subject: Access to repositories
References: <458D99EE.2080809@eskimo.com>
	<200612231755.41847.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <458EF194.2070303@eskimo.com>

  The procedure using apt-get suggested by D. Michael McIntyre worked 
fine after I eliminated "us" from the locations specified in 
/etc/apt/sources.list as suggested by Earl Violet.  Thanks to both of you.

Thanks to Rashid ul Islam for suggesting KMenu > System > Adept.  I had 
assumed that KMenu > Add/Remove Programs would take me to the same 
place, but such is not the case.  I seem to be up and working now and 
will be able to download the software I need.


Maynard






From daniel at rimspace.net  Mon Dec 25 02:06:34 2006
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:06:34 +1100
Subject: Strange error when lunching programs
References: <2991d56c0612241224h35786351nf2132ec628ec113e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87fyb4bufp.fsf@rimspace.net>

"Behrang Saeedzadeh"  writes:

> When I run some programs (such as KOrganizer) from the shell, I
> receive this error:

Actually, when you run *any* X program you will get those.  Check
~/.xsession-errors for a lot more. ;)

> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
>   Major opcode:  145
>   Minor opcode:  3
>   Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
>   Major opcode:  145
>   Minor opcode:  3
>   Resource id:  0x0
> Failed to open device
>
> Any ideas why does it show up and how can I fix it?

They show up because the X configuration file has entries to support
graphics tablets included by default.  This is good for people who have
such a tablet because it will "just work."

The errors are harmless and can simply be ignored.  This is probably the
best plan.  However, if you /really/ feel strongly about it edit
/etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the additional input device definitions.

Regards,
        Daniel
-- 
Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure
Phone: 0401 155 707        email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au
                 http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/




From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch  Mon Dec 25 13:13:17 2006
From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Rita Schweingruber)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:13:17 +0100
Subject: Strange error when lunching programs
In-Reply-To: <87fyb4bufp.fsf@rimspace.net>
References: <2991d56c0612241224h35786351nf2132ec628ec113e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fyb4bufp.fsf@rimspace.net>
Message-ID: <200612251413.27323.schweingruber@pharma-traduction.ch>

Am Montag, 25. Dezember 2006 03:06 schrieb Daniel Pittman:
...
> The errors are harmless and can simply be ignored.  This is probably the
> best plan.  However, if you /really/ feel strongly about it edit
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the additional input device definitions.

In this case, don't forget to scroll down to the "ServerLayout" section and 
remove also the following definitions: "cursor", "eraser" and "stylus", else 
your Xserver will not start (silly things like this happen all the time when 
I venture into xorg.conf modifications /-) )

Regards, Myriam

-- 
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From haroldh at midmaine.com  Mon Dec 25 15:34:55 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:34:55 -0500
Subject: copy dos files from linux to floppy
Message-ID: <458FEF9F.8040006@midmaine.com>

I seem to have tried and tried to copy a dos file from my linux to a 
floppy and not working. I've read the man and I'm still having trouble.
Could someone tell me what is the command to do this and do I need to be 
in root when I do this.

Harold




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 23 20:53:08 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:53:08 -0400
Subject: k3b permissions error
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	 <7912657.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: 

mattflaschen wrote:

> Derek Broughton-2 wrote:

"2"???  I'm sure I'm the original :-)
>> 
>> When k3b says it can't open the device, click on the "Show debugging
>> output"
>> button - it's usually pretty obvious there what the problem is.
> 
> Yes, that's what finally worked for me.  In my case, I didn't have
> permissions for /dev/sg0 .  I solved that elegantly (in my view) by
> creating a burning group (as recommended by K3B):
> 
> $ sudo addgroup burning

Well, I just use cdrom - which is, after all, the owning group
for /dev/scd0.  The burning group may be a better idea if your system has
many users .
> 
> Adding myself to it:
> 
> $ sudo usermod -a -G burning matthew
> 
> and setting the group of /dev/sg0 to burning:
> 
> $ sudo chgrp burning /dev/sg0

Well, not too elegant I'm afraid - what do you do when you reboot?  /dev is
entirely in tmpfs, so it's rebuilt at boot.  Groups are set by udev.  I
filed a bug against udev, but Scott insists that it's an error in k3b or
cdrecord.  

-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 25 18:08:35 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:08:35 -0400
Subject: System Settings changes in Edgy? sigh! [was kmenuedit missing]
References: <456A8BFF.8050007@bresnan.net>
	<200611271755.37420.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
	
	<14cf5ea70612240355l7cec8facv5b5706ae26ff775b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3mg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>

Rashid ul Islam wrote:

> I dislike System Settings immensely. When I install cleanly, one of
> the first things I do is remove the System Settings entry in the K
> Menu and replace it with KControl (the original kde control centre).
> 
> As long as the Kubuntu teams leaves KControl alone, and the KDE team
> doesn't go all gnome-simplicity-users-are-idiots on me, I'm happy :D

I don't _dislike_ System Settings, but it's a royal pain in the arse, since
there are any number of things in kcontrol that don't seem to show up in
System Settings.  If I could do everything in System Settings that I can do
in kcontrol, I wouldn't care which we used.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 25 18:06:56 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:06:56 -0400
Subject: Kontact questions
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>

Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I had some questions about Kontact:
> 
> 1- Is it possible to hide Kontact in the tray?

I can't quite figure out what you mean, because you don't need to "hide"
kontact in the system tray, as it doesn't have a tray icon (kmail does &
the korganizer reminder daemon does).  otoh, if you mean you don't want it
on the "panel" but do want it in the system tray, I don't think you can...

> 2- When adding a new To-do item, two resources with the identical name
> "Default KOrganizer resource" appear. Isn't this a bug?

While they surely can't both be "default", you can have given two resources
the name "Default KOrganizer...".  So probably not.

> 2.5- What is a resource? :p

Well, it's ... a thing...  (I haven't quite worked that out either :-) )

> 3- The remainders are not working, i.e I never see a remainder dialog
> for the items I have created a remainder for.

Is korgac running?  

> 4- Can I use a .ogg file as remainder audio alarm?

afaik.  I'm pretty sure I've done that...
-- 
derek




From daniel at rimspace.net  Tue Dec 26 00:35:07 2006
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:35:07 +1100
Subject: copy dos files from linux to floppy
References: <458FEF9F.8040006@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <878xgvbikk.fsf@rimspace.net>

Harold Hartley  writes:

> I seem to have tried and tried to copy a dos file from my linux to a
> floppy and not working. I've read the man and I'm still having
> trouble.  Could someone tell me what is the command to do this and do
> I need to be in root when I do this.

I think you probably need to tell us a little more about what you mean.

When you say a "dos file" do you mean:

  * a file with DOS style line cr-lf endings?
  * a file you want to read with DOS?
  * something else?

Also, your floppy:

  * did you format it before trying to copy the file to it?
  * how did you try to copy the file?

Finally, a bit more about the "trouble:"

  * when you tried to copy the file what happened?
  * when you tried to access the file what happened?
  * what error messages were displayed?


The general process, by the way, is to click on the second icon from the
left on the task bar, select 'Storage Media', open the floppy, then copy
your data to it.

It shouldn't take /anything/ more than that.  You do /not/ need to be
root for this to work.

Regards,
        Daniel
-- 
Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure
Phone: 0401 155 707        email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au
                 http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/




From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Tue Dec 26 02:19:22 2006
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (mattflaschen)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	 <7912657.post@talk.nabble.com>
	
Message-ID: <8050458.post@talk.nabble.com>




Derek Broughton-2 wrote:
> 
>> $ sudo chgrp burning /dev/sg0
> 
> Well, not too elegant I'm afraid - what do you do when you reboot?  /dev
> is
> entirely in tmpfs, so it's rebuilt at boot.
> 
> 

Thanks.  I didn't realize that the permissions were lost.  I tried to change
it permanently by modifying /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules , but
that didn't seem to work.  I've now tried 90-modprobe.rules , in the same
directory, and I'll reboot now.
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/k3b-permissions-error-tf2771718.html#a8050458
Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.




From kc9aae at bresnan.net  Tue Dec 26 09:19:59 2006
From: kc9aae at bresnan.net (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 02:19:59 -0700
Subject: copy dos files from linux to floppy
In-Reply-To: <878xgvbikk.fsf@rimspace.net>
References: <458FEF9F.8040006@midmaine.com> <878xgvbikk.fsf@rimspace.net>
Message-ID: <4590E93F.8090904@bresnan.net>

Daniel Pittman wrote:
> Harold Hartley  writes:
> 
>> I seem to have tried and tried to copy a dos file from my linux to a
>> floppy and not working. I've read the man and I'm still having
>> trouble.  Could someone tell me what is the command to do this and do
>> I need to be in root when I do this.
> 
> I think you probably need to tell us a little more about what you mean.
> 
> When you say a "dos file" do you mean:
> 
>   * a file with DOS style line cr-lf endings?
>   * a file you want to read with DOS?
>   * something else?
> 
> Also, your floppy:
> 
>   * did you format it before trying to copy the file to it?
>   * how did you try to copy the file?
> 
> Finally, a bit more about the "trouble:"
> 
>   * when you tried to copy the file what happened?
>   * when you tried to access the file what happened?
>   * what error messages were displayed?
> 
> 
> The general process, by the way, is to click on the second icon from the
> left on the task bar, select 'Storage Media', open the floppy, then copy
> your data to it.
> 
> It shouldn't take /anything/ more than that.  You do /not/ need to be
> root for this to work.

All you have to do is install the package mtools. (apt-get install 
mtools)  Then just use a "mcopy filename(s) a:"  Easy, plus you get a 
few more tools with the package.

Dana



From dan_axtell at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 26 04:02:49 2006
From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:02:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
Message-ID: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've got a new machine that's fairly generic desktop (dual core, Nviidia card, no weird hardware) that was running Dapper quite well.  I thought I'd give Edgy a try before I started using the machine, so I followed the instructions for using apt-get to upgrade.  Big mistake -- I can't get the machine to boot now.
 
 I'm wondering if I do an Edgy install from scratch (because I want to try some of the newer version of KDE, etc.) is it likely to be a stable machine?  Or am I better off sticking with 6.06?  
 
 Is it possible to reinstall 6.06 without reformatting the disk?  I don't want to lose my home directory.
 
 Thanks,
 Dan
 
 
 
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From lensch at opensourcemedia.de  Tue Dec 26 10:57:59 2006
From: lensch at opensourcemedia.de (Christian Lensch)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:57:59 +0100
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45910037.5050108@opensourcemedia.de>

Hi Daniel,
if you want people here to be able to answer your question, you need to 
provide us with a bit more information about your problem.
Is it a grub error? What messages do you get, when the system doesn't 
boot? Your partitions on harddisk, etc.
Have you tried booting in failsafe-mode?

 > I'm wondering if I do an Edgy install from scratch (because I want to
 > try some of the newer version of KDE, etc.) is it likely to be a stable
 > machine?  Or am I better off sticking with 6.06?

Edgy should be stable in the same way as dapper was. As far as I know, 
the difference between them is the longer support-cycle (LTS) for dapper.
Nevertheless, the 'stable' should not be understood as in a generic 
debian (stable) system.

> Is it possible to reinstall 6.06 without reformatting the disk?  I don't 
> want to lose my home directory.

Why dont you boot your system with a live-cd and backup you home 
directory with all your config files?

Greetings
Christian



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:24:30 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:54:30 +0330
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Derek,


> I can't quite figure out what you mean, because you don't need to "hide"
> kontact in the system tray, as it doesn't have a tray icon (kmail does &
> the korganizer reminder daemon does).  otoh, if you mean you don't want it
> on the "panel" but do want it in the system tray, I don't think you can...

Yes, I don't want it to be on the panel and I want it to be in tray,
like Kopete, and also I want it to be loaded on startup.

> While they surely can't both be "default", you can have given two resources
> the name "Default KOrganizer...".  So probably not.

Actually I haven't created any resources myself. The first time I
added a todo item, those two resources were just there :-? Maybe a
Kubuntu-specific misconfig?

> Well, it's ... a thing...  (I haven't quite worked that out either :-) )

LOL! :))

> Is korgac running?

I am not sure but shouldn't it be running by default? Also did you see
my previous email on the errors on the console? Maybe that could
reveal what the problem is...

Regards,
Behi

-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:48:41 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:18:41 +0330
Subject: Strange error when lunching programs
In-Reply-To: <200612251413.27323.schweingruber@pharma-traduction.ch>
References: <2991d56c0612241224h35786351nf2132ec628ec113e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fyb4bufp.fsf@rimspace.net>
	<200612251413.27323.schweingruber@pharma-traduction.ch>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612260348x120875e1q31f693653ad5c865@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

-Behi

-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From rashid786 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 12:51:48 2006
From: rashid786 at gmail.com (Rashid ul Islam)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:51:48 +0000
Subject: VNC Viewer
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612240647t31388bf4i55095b8985eb5253@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<458E85F6.30908@mail.ee>
	<880dece00612240647t31388bf4i55095b8985eb5253@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14cf5ea70612260451s23746ef1u25ec7c4a94210ae0@mail.gmail.com>

TightVNC is in the repos (universe i think not sure)

do sudo aptitude update & aptitude search tightvnc

then sudo aptitude install "the name that appears"

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From rashid786 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 12:56:06 2006
From: rashid786 at gmail.com (Rashid ul Islam)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:56:06 +0000
Subject: System Settings changes in Edgy? sigh! [was kmenuedit missing]
In-Reply-To: <3mg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
References: <456A8BFF.8050007@bresnan.net>
	<200611271755.37420.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com>
	
	<14cf5ea70612240355l7cec8facv5b5706ae26ff775b@mail.gmail.com>
	<3mg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
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On 25/12/06, Derek Broughton  wrote:
>
> Rashid ul Islam wrote:
>
> > I dislike System Settings immensely. When I install cleanly, one of
> > the first things I do is remove the System Settings entry in the K
> > Menu and replace it with KControl (the original kde control centre).
> >
> > As long as the Kubuntu teams leaves KControl alone, and the KDE team
> > doesn't go all gnome-simplicity-users-are-idiots on me, I'm happy :D
>
> I don't _dislike_ System Settings, but it's a royal pain in the arse,
> since
> there are any number of things in kcontrol that don't seem to show up in
> System Settings.  If I could do everything in System Settings that I can
> do
> in kcontrol, I wouldn't care which we used.
> --
> derek



Same. Thats what I meant by disliking System Settings: it doesn't _let_ me
do the things I want to do, and KControl does.

I quite like the idea of the layout of System Settings...sort of. Needs a
bit more thought i think. And the search functionality is a gimmick- its
useless. I typed "mouse" on the main "page" and it returned no results.

The thing that worries me is the Appeal project is threatening to gnomify
KControl :'( http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Control_Center - read Cornelius's
thoughts :(

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From neckenrode at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 14:08:29 2006
From: neckenrode at gmail.com (nathan eckenrode)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:08:29 -0500
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/26/06, Behrang Saeedzadeh  wrote:
>
> Hi Derek,
>
>
> > I can't quite figure out what you mean, because you don't need to "hide"
> > kontact in the system tray, as it doesn't have a tray icon (kmail does &
> > the korganizer reminder daemon does).  otoh, if you mean you don't want
> it
> > on the "panel" but do want it in the system tray, I don't think you
> can...
>
> Yes, I don't want it to be on the panel and I want it to be in tray,
> like Kopete, and also I want it to be loaded on startup.


When you  launch Kontact, check your email and your RSS feeds then close the
window and both of those applications will have icons loaded in your system
tray. Kontact as itself will not exhibit this behavior as it is a shell
program which interconnects several kparts, ie Kmail, KAddressbook,
Korganizer, etc which can all run as freestanding applications.

As far as loading on boot/login, I selected under the Advanced Settings in
System Settings > Session Manager > Load Previous Session. Then whatever
applications I leave running when I shutdown, will restart the next time I
login.

>  While they surely can't both be "default", you can have given two
> resources
> > the name "Default KOrganizer...".  So probably not.
>
> Actually I haven't created any resources myself. The first time I
> added a todo item, those two resources were just there :-? Maybe a
> Kubuntu-specific misconfig?


Nope, this is a KDE specific thing - when you start the application for the
first time it creates a file in your home directory:
~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics is where your tasks and events get
saved. There are specific default resource locations for each part of
Kontact which means that the default resource is not duplicated.

> Well, it's ... a thing...  (I haven't quite worked that out either :-) )
>
> LOL! :))
>
> > Is korgac running?
>
> I am not sure but shouldn't it be running by default? Also did you see
> my previous email on the errors on the console? Maybe that could
> reveal what the problem is...


Your errors on the console have to do with built in support within Xorg for
people who use Wacom pads.

Regards,
> Behi
>
> --
> "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
> - Alan Turing
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh
> http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
> http://my.opera.com/behrangsa
>
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Tue Dec 26 14:09:25 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:09:25 +0200
Subject: copy dos files from linux to floppy
In-Reply-To: <458FEF9F.8040006@midmaine.com>
References: <458FEF9F.8040006@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <45912D15.8050803@mail.ee>

> I seem to have tried and tried to copy a dos file from my linux to a 
> floppy and not working. I've read the man and I'm still having trouble.
> Could someone tell me what is the command to do this and do I need to be 
> in root when I do this.


Please install graphical frontend for mtools:

1) enable universe repository
If needed, see here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu

2) sudo apt-get update

3) sudo apt-get install mtoolsfm

4) run it using command MToolsFM (it is case sensitive)

MS-DOS floppy does not need to be mounted - it can be used without 
mounting it. For that there is MToolsFM as graphical frontend and mtools 
as command line program.

Packages:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 4.10
http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 5.04
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 5.10
http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 6.06
http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 6.10
http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 7.04 
(will be released on April of 2007)

For more information:
http://www.core-coutainville.org/MToolsFM/ - main homepage


Best Regards,
Edmund Laugasson



From haroldh at midmaine.com  Tue Dec 26 14:20:58 2006
From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:20:58 -0500
Subject: copy dos files from linux to floppy
In-Reply-To: <45912D15.8050803@mail.ee>
References: <458FEF9F.8040006@midmaine.com> <45912D15.8050803@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <45912FCA.8050307@midmaine.com>

Edmund Laugasson wrote:
>> I seem to have tried and tried to copy a dos file from my linux to a 
>> floppy and not working. I've read the man and I'm still having trouble.
>> Could someone tell me what is the command to do this and do I need to be 
>> in root when I do this.
> 
> 
> Please install graphical frontend for mtools:
> 
> 1) enable universe repository
> If needed, see here:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
> 
> 2) sudo apt-get update
> 
> 3) sudo apt-get install mtoolsfm
> 
> 4) run it using command MToolsFM (it is case sensitive)
> 
> MS-DOS floppy does not need to be mounted - it can be used without 
> mounting it. For that there is MToolsFM as graphical frontend and mtools 
> as command line program.
> 
> Packages:
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 4.10
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 5.04
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 5.10
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 6.06
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 6.10
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/otherosfs/mtoolsfm - for Ubuntu 7.04 
> (will be released on April of 2007)
> 
> For more information:
> http://www.core-coutainville.org/MToolsFM/ - main homepage
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Edmund Laugasson
> 
Thank you
Harold




From padrongj at fq.uh.cu  Tue Dec 26 14:22:53 2006
From: padrongj at fq.uh.cu (Juan Alexander Padron)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:22:53 -0500
Subject: Printing over Windows
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612260922.54198.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>

Dear Pals:

I used send to print (when I was stuck with windows) over my local network all 
my documents, using a Laserjet 4L connected to a windows computer. Can I 
still do that in Kubuntu? How?

Best Regards,

-- 
L-----Q               Juan Alexander Padron Garcia
 C---T       Laboratorio de Quimica Computacional y Teorica   
  U.H     Facultad de Quimica, Universidad de la Habana  
 L---Q                    padrongj at fq.uh.cu 
C-----T              padron.alexander at gmail.com



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Tue Dec 26 18:01:56 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:01:56 -0500
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612261302.05117.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Friday 22 December 2006 20:28, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> Printing photos is a bit of a trouble spot for Linux as far as I can see.  
> Maybe someone will make both of us a better suggestion.

My Red Hat 7.x systems printed beautifully with the same hardware.  I think it 
is a Kubuntu problem.  Try setting up the Gimp for printing.  It is much 
better than the kprinter results.
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From dan_axtell at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 26 18:02:06 2006
From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:02:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <45910037.5050108@opensourcemedia.de>
Message-ID: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is it a grub error? What messages do you get, when the system doesn't 
boot? Your partitions on harddisk, etc.
Have you tried booting in failsafe-mode?

The hardware is pretty generic 64-bit system: dual-core pentium, nvidia card, and everything worked OK on 6.06 with the latest updates.  I had one big linux partition on the primary hard drive, windows on a secondary drive.
 
 After the update, the first time it booted it got stuck on the Kubuntu spash screen with no error message; subsequent boots do not show the GRUB menu at all after the POST.
 
 I booted with the 6.06 CD-ROM and can mount the file system, everything seems to be there; I tried to change the GRUB menu.lst file to make the older kernel boot, but that didnt' help, since I'm not sure now to make that 'stick' (I'm more familiar with LILO).
 
 As I see it, my options are
 1) try to fix the 6.10 install
 2) delete /boot, /usr, etc. and try and install 6.10 from a CD without formatting the drive so I don't lose my home directory (there's a ton of mp3s and such so I don't really want to back it up unless I have to)
 3) just get a new drive and start over, use the exiting drive as a backup.
 
 How difficult is option 1?  I'm burning a 6.10 CD-ROM, I'm just not sure how to proceed when something is this screwed up.  Is it possible to just do a reinstall over the exsiting software without reformatting?  I suspect that's likely to keep the same problem.
 
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From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Tue Dec 26 19:17:07 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:17:07 -0700
Subject: Printing pictures
In-Reply-To: <200612261302.05117.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: <458C7E24.7050808@weblore.com>
	<200612222028.06301.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612261302.05117.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1167160627.29601.18.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 13:01 -0500, Art Alexion wrote:
> On Friday 22 December 2006 20:28, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > Printing photos is a bit of a trouble spot for Linux as far as I can see.  
> > Maybe someone will make both of us a better suggestion.
> 
> My Red Hat 7.x systems printed beautifully with the same hardware.  I think it 
> is a Kubuntu problem.  Try setting up the Gimp for printing.  It is much 
> better than the kprinter results.

I haven't followed this thread well due to holidays but:

I use Kubuntu/ubuntu to produce prints of our artwork and photos eg a
Graphics shop/ commercial artist.

here's my recipe.

completely remove hpjfs and hpilp
compile the latest hpilp/hjifs from sourcefourge. There are simple
detailed instructions including for dapper in the docs.

Install digikam
install google's picassa2
Install scribus 

the installed gimprint is obsolete. redoing it with the full gutenprint
may help. I Don't know We use HP equipment and what I have outlined is
adequate. The Cups web interface and complete HP toolkit works with our
setup, it DOESN'T with the default install except on PPC for some
reason.

AS we need color separations etc we also run Corel software via
Crossover. That is unneccessary for a normal use. There is no visible
difference between printing an 8 by 10 with picassa and Corel Photo
Paint.

The important thing is getting behind the KDE interface to find the
options to enable the highest resolution your printers are capable
of.That can be elusive in KDE. These options usually don't show up in
the individual program's dialogs.

One workaround without modifying everything is to always use GIMP to
produce a high res postscript file for output. In the case of most
printers KDE/Ubuntu is going to use normal settings on normal paper
uness you dig to find the highest settings.






From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Tue Dec 26 19:27:25 2006
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:27:25 -0700
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1167161245.29601.28.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 10:02 -0800, Daniel Axtell wrote:
>         Is it a grub error? What messages do you get, when the system
>         doesn't 
>         boot? Your partitions on harddisk, etc.
>         Have you tried booting in failsafe-mode?
>         
> The hardware is pretty generic 64-bit system: dual-core pentium,
> nvidia card, and everything worked OK on 6.06 with the latest updates.
> I had one big linux partition on the primary hard drive, windows on a
> secondary drive.
> 
> After the update, the first time it booted it got stuck on the Kubuntu
> spash screen with no error message; subsequent boots do not show the
> GRUB menu at all after the POST.
> 
> I booted with the 6.06 CD-ROM and can mount the file system,
> everything seems to be there; I tried to change the GRUB menu.lst file
> to make the older kernel boot, but that didnt' help, since I'm not
> sure now to make that 'stick' (I'm more familiar with LILO).
> 
> As I see it, my options are
> 1) try to fix the 6.10 install
> 2) delete /boot, /usr, etc. and try and install 6.10 from a CD without
> formatting the drive so I don't lose my home directory (there's a ton
> of mp3s and such so I don't really want to back it up unless I have
> to)
> 3) just get a new drive and start over, use the exiting drive as a
> backup.
> 
> How difficult is option 1?  I'm burning a 6.10 CD-ROM, I'm just not
> sure how to proceed when something is this screwed up.  Is it possible
> to just do a reinstall over the exsiting software without
> reformatting?  I suspect that's likely to keep the same problem.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
If you do install without formatting....make sure you delete all the
hidden directories in ~home removing all but your data files. Can't say
much about edgy. As a business user we only use dapper. IIRC the whole
boot process is changed for edgy to decrease boot times,there will be a
lot of incorrect settings in those hidden files possibly and probably if
you end up backing off to dapper.

An alternative would be to move all your data to the windows partition
temporarily and redo the entire install on the other hard drive. If you
use your computer for work not play I would say stick with dapper until
a new stable release is available.

Bryann




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Tue Dec 26 19:40:34 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:40:34 -0500
Subject: OT: way to make windows less obnoxious?
Message-ID: <200612261440.34543.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

I got a laptop for Christmas.  To my disdain, there are a few reasons why I'm 
going to leave Windows on this thing and set it up to dual boot.  It makes me 
a little nauseous, but there it is.  I've sure given Linux more than a fair 
shake, and there are a couple of things I just never have been able to do.  
Sigh.  I would never go buy a copy of Windows, but since I have it....

I'm coming at this as somebody who has been running KDE since 2001.  I've 
never used XP for any length of time, and I like it that way.  The most 
amusing thing to me is seeing how a lot of the things that have happened to 
KDE in the last while look just like Windows XP.  HAL/whatever and that 
little hardware detection "Removeable Dongle Detected, what do you want to do 
with it?" dialog box came right out of Windows, didn't they?

That actually makes it seem a little more homey from my perspective, even 
though I'm doing it all backwards.

I could make it more homey if I could solve any of these problems:

1) Can XP have more than one desktop?
2) Can XP have a real taskbar?
3) Can I PLEASE give this hideous looking pile of crap some window decorations 
that look more like Glow or Plastik or even Keramik?  PLEASE?  OMG the window 
decorations that come out of the box are HIDEOUS!! and the only choice out of 
the box is to pick a more Windows 95 looking set, which are only mildly less 
disturbing to behold.  (If I want to install more using the provided 
mechanism, I need to break out my wallet and pay money for more window 
decorations.  What bullshit.  I'm sure there are free window decorations out 
there, and 90-100% of them probably come bundled with some kind of spyware or 
something.  Ugh.  I've seen lots of spam emails with .EXE files that want me 
to install some cool emoticons or what have you.  Suuuuuure.  I have been 
grateful that .EXE files didn't work on Linux, because of all the damage my 
stupid users could do with that power, and I suspect for good reason.)

I actually started looking into running KDE on Windows, but the projects I 
found all look old and out of date, and I figure that's a futile avenue to 
pursue.  I did outfit this pile of monkey giblets with Cygwin, the GIMP, and 
OO.o.  If I could put KMail and Konqueror on there it would *almost* be 
usable, but I guess that's too much to hope for.

While I'm at it, how do I put Kubuntu on this bucket of pus without screwing 
up the factory install of XP for which I have no CDs?  I was prompted to burn 
a recovery DVD when I turned it on for the first time, but I have no idea if 
I can reinstall with that or not.  I imagine not.  As much as it pains me to 
need Windows, I really do.  I've been sitting here looking at a $250 
Mindstorms NXT kit for six months that I haven't been able to do anything 
with yet, for example.  (I bought it because the NQC guy made it sound like 
NQC would work with NXT before NXT even came out.  So much for that.  It 
still doesn't work as of a month ago or so, the last time I looked.)

I know all of this is totally off-topic, so please reply off-list.  I'm coming 
here because I'm already here.  I sure as hell don't want to go find some 
Windows-oriented mailing list and ask for help trying to manage using the 
putrid reeking mass of rotten gopher intestines as though it were a real 
desktop environment running on a real OS.  They'd just start yelling at me, 
and telling me how stupid I am for not loving the Teletubby interface, or the 
broken taskbar, or the single why the hell doesn't Windows have more than one 
desktop.

Thanks.

And ON topic...  How do I deal with the wireless on this thing and all the 
battery management stuff if and when I do put Kubuntu on here?  It's a crappy 
laptop from Wal-Mart.  Everex.  VIA C7 1.5 GHz, 512 MB.  I figure it's going 
to be hell when I try to boot Kubuntu on here, but I guess I will try it in 
six hours, when this virus scan finally finishes.

Virus scan.

Barf.

I'm expecting the wireless won't work without much pain.  That's my impression 
from investigating the possibility of moving my all-Linux network wireless.

So maybe I should get one of those external radio repeater dongles that hooks 
to the machine with a good ol' cat-5 cable, and forget about trying to get 
its 802.11/g thingie to work?

I guess we'll boot it and find out.  I currently don't have wireless working 
under Windows either, since I don't have a wireless broadcaster thingie.  But 
I really don't want to have to keep dragging this thing around tied to a 
wall, and want to get that working on at least one of the operating systems.

Ramble ramble ramble, I could go STFW and try to do my own digging, but I've 
answered a lot more than I've asked over the years, and I feel like being a 
lazy bastard, and asking people to please give me some free answers.

Happy new year.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 19:51:19 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:51:19 +1100
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <7a6a83370612260608s2cfb022er127bc8a8e892d52e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<7a6a83370612260608s2cfb022er127bc8a8e892d52e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612261151v7d392d6cnd32f247562751df4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nathan,

Thanks for the reply.

> Your errors on the console have to do with built in support within Xorg for
> people who use Wacom pads.

I can see that the KOrganizer reminder daemon is running. Do you mean
Wacom touchpads or pen pads? I have an IBM R5 which comes with a
Synaptics touchpad. Any ideas how can I fix the reminder problem?

-Behi

-- 
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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Tue Dec 26 19:59:47 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:59:47 -0500
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612261459.55273.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 13:02, Daniel Axtell wrote:
> After the update, the first time it booted it got stuck on the Kubuntu
> spash screen with no error message; subsequent boots do not show the GRUB
> menu at all after the POST.
>
>  I booted with the 6.06 CD-ROM and can mount the file system, everything
> seems to be there; I tried to change the GRUB menu.lst file to make the
> older kernel boot, but that didnt' help, since I'm not sure now to make
> that 'stick' (I'm more familiar with LILO).

I had a similar problem breezy -> dapper (hal still won't load), but I was 
able to get it to boot with the following steps.

Boot from the Live CD.
Mount your "/" file system on, e.g. /hard_drive
chroot /hard_drive
mount -a
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install linux-image

See if it boots.  Worked for me.  For some reason dist-upgrade did not update 
a lot of packages and deleted a lot of packages that had dapper versions.  
Among those not updated were the kernel and that prevented the boot.

After many cycles of apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade / -f install, I finally 
got a working system.  I reinstalled other packages as I determined they were 
missing.  

I upgraded warty -> hoary and hoary -> breezy without problems.  This 
breezy -> dapper upgrade was a disaster.  Sometimes it just works that way.  
Shouldn't, but it does.

>
>  As I see it, my options are
>  1) try to fix the 6.10 install

Try the above.


>  2) delete /boot, /usr, etc. and try and install 6.10 from a CD without
> formatting the drive so I don't lose my home directory (there's a ton of
> mp3s and such so I don't really want to back it up unless I have to) 

I don't think the install scripts will allow you to do this.

I have "/" /home /usr/local and /opt all on the same partition.  My plan is to 
copy them to DVD, do a fresh install, and then copy them back from the DVD.

Doing the same with /etc is probably a good idea, too.


> 3) 
> just get a new drive and start over, use the exiting drive as a backup.

If you don't have a DVD-R


>
>  How difficult is option 1?  I'm burning a 6.10 CD-ROM, I'm just not sure
> how to proceed when something is this screwed up.  Is it possible to just
> do a reinstall over the exsiting software without reformatting?  I suspect
> that's likely to keep the same problem.

-- 

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From art.alexion at verizon.net  Tue Dec 26 20:02:11 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:02:11 -0500
Subject: Printing over Windows
In-Reply-To: <200612260922.54198.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
References: 
	<200612260922.54198.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
Message-ID: <200612261502.11989.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 26 December 2006 09:22, Juan Alexander Padron wrote:
> Dear Pals:
>
> I used send to print (when I was stuck with windows) over my local network
> all my documents, using a Laserjet 4L connected to a windows computer. Can
> I still do that in Kubuntu? How?

Easy.  Share the printer on the computer it is connected to. (I assume this is 
already the case as you have been sharing it among windows computers.)

Install samba.  You may have done this already to share files.

Install the shared printer as a samba printer.

-- 

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Art Alexion

PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661  92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A
Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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From diiar at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 26 20:23:01 2006
From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:23:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: vmware nework
Message-ID: <20061226202301.71513.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I have installed vmware player for a moment and I
still have some problem with the network. I use NAT
for the guest OS(Windows XP). The problem is sometimes
I can't use the internet and the error is "the default
gateway is offline". I don't have much knowledge of
how the network works but I try to search for the
solution on the internet. Still I can't find any
solution to fix this problem. Sometimes, I can connect
to the internet without any problem, sometimes not. I
don't really know how this can happen. I don't do
anything with the configuration or the system. If
anyone knows what can cause this problem, please help
me.

Thanks in advance.
Diiar

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From prbasmith at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 20:27:35 2006
From: prbasmith at gmail.com (Preston Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:27:35 -0400
Subject: OT: way to make windows less obnoxious?
In-Reply-To: <200612261440.34543.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612261440.34543.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <459185B7.5070607@gmail.com>

Hi Michael!

It is very on -topic and I hope that the replies are posted on this 
list.  If you receive private replies I would appreciate if you would 
send them to me

I am facing the same dilemma wrt dual booting on a laptop as you do

Thanks and hope you had a Merry Christmas

Preston

D. Michael McIntyre said the following on 26/12/2006 3:40 PM:

> I know all of this is totally off-topic, so please reply off-list.  I'm coming 
> here because I'm already here.  I sure as hell don't want to go find some 
> Windows-oriented mailing list and ask for help trying to manage using the 
> putrid reeking mass of rotten gopher intestines as though it were a real 
> desktop environment running on a real OS.  They'd just start yelling at me, 
> and telling me how stupid I am for not loving the Teletubby interface, or the 
> broken taskbar, or the single why the hell doesn't Windows have more than one 
> desktop.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> And ON topic...  How do I deal with the wireless on this thing and all the 
> battery management stuff if and when I do put Kubuntu on here?  It's a crappy 
> laptop from Wal-Mart.  Everex.  VIA C7 1.5 GHz, 512 MB.  I figure it's going 
> to be hell when I try to boot Kubuntu on here, but I guess I will try it in 
> six hours, when this virus scan finally finishes.
> 
> Virus scan.
> 
> Barf.
> 
> I'm expecting the wireless won't work without much pain.  That's my impression 
> from investigating the possibility of moving my all-Linux network wireless.
> 
> So maybe I should get one of those external radio repeater dongles that hooks 
> to the machine with a good ol' cat-5 cable, and forget about trying to get 
> its 802.11/g thingie to work?
> 
> I guess we'll boot it and find out.  I currently don't have wireless working 
> under Windows either, since I don't have a wireless broadcaster thingie.  But 
> I really don't want to have to keep dragging this thing around tied to a 
> wall, and want to get that working on at least one of the operating systems.
> 
> Ramble ramble ramble, I could go STFW and try to do my own digging, but I've 
> answered a lot more than I've asked over the years, and I feel like being a 
> lazy bastard, and asking people to please give me some free answers.
> 
> Happy new year.
> 



From lu at gusilu.net  Tue Dec 26 21:00:20 2006
From: lu at gusilu.net (Lucia Sanchez)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:00:20 -0600
Subject: Printing over Windows
In-Reply-To: <200612261502.11989.art.alexion@verizon.net>
References: 	<200612260922.54198.padrongj@fq.uh.cu>
	<200612261502.11989.art.alexion@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <45918D64.3040709@gusilu.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 December 2006 09:22, Juan Alexander Padron wrote:
> 
>>Dear Pals:
>>
>>I used send to print (when I was stuck with windows) over my local network
>>all my documents, using a Laserjet 4L connected to a windows computer. Can
>>I still do that in Kubuntu? How?
> 
> 
> Easy.  Share the printer on the computer it is connected to. (I assume this is 
> already the case as you have been sharing it among windows computers.)
> 
> Install samba.  You may have done this already to share files.
> 
> Install the shared printer as a samba printer.
> 
> 

No need to install samba.  Create a new "raw" printer (instead of the
one you've installed by saying which printer model it is, etc to print
from Linux).  Share that printer using the CUPS interface through the
KDE printer configuration; I don't think there are any other options,
but you want to share it as IPP.  Write down the  IP of the computer it
is connected to, and the name of the raw printer.

Then on your Windows machine you have to install the "Unix printing"
utilities -- they are somewhere on the installation disk, but I guess
you should also be able to download them from somewhere.  Then add a new
printer -- this printer will be a remote printer whose address is
ipp://X.X.X.X:631/printers/name_of_the_raw_printer, select the driver
which is approriate for your printer.

And that's it :)

http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html
-- 
Lu.

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From rashid786 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 22:22:33 2006
From: rashid786 at gmail.com (Rashid ul Islam)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:22:33 +0000
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0612261151v7d392d6cnd32f247562751df4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<7a6a83370612260608s2cfb022er127bc8a8e892d52e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2991d56c0612261151v7d392d6cnd32f247562751df4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14cf5ea70612261422u2768988fgb6baabff75d007ab@mail.gmail.com>

You can make Kontact run in the system tray. Right click on the K Menu icon
and select menu editor. Find Kontact (its under Office) click on it and
check the system tray box.

About the default resources...id like to know too!

I tried to use the todo list feature but everytime i logged in and out most
of my todos would disappear, leaving one or two, duplicated.

I figured it was some sort of clash between the Todo kpart and the calendar
Kpart? Thats why theres two default resources? I dunno how to fix it
though...i just gave up trying to use Kontact/korganizer. Seems like a nice
app but till its fixed and stable and usable I'll stick with...well, staying
unorganised :P (I _really_  need to get that essay done :( not to mention...
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From lists at ptfd.org  Wed Dec 27 02:19:45 2006
From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:19:45 -0500
Subject: OOo and smb
Message-ID: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org>

I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save files on smb 
shares?

I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go?

Mike



From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 03:05:06 2006
From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:05:06 -0800
Subject: OOo and smb
In-Reply-To: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org>
References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org>
Message-ID: 

I wasn't aware it didn't work.  Are there any other more detailed
symptoms you can give me?  So far I have two mysterious black boxes in
my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the
swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black
backdrop).

On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman  wrote:
> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save files on smb
> shares?
>
> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go?
>
> Mike
>
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From golfbuf at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 03:55:57 2006
From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:55:57 -0500
Subject: Stickykeys not sticky
In-Reply-To: <880dece00612160211w181d3ff8pb1d44b8a28837694@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612160211w181d3ff8pb1d44b8a28837694@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835a7820612261955n5d09a4d7mbda56eca1de4d1e4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/06, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> Everytime I reboot, I must reconfigure stickykeys. In Kcontrol, the
> options are properly set, however, I must unset them, then set them
> again before stickykeys will work. Why is this, and what can I do to
> aliviate the problem?

Here, it's not every time, but only infrequently here ... and, it
seems less of a problem in kde-3.5.5 .. did you upgrade yet?  Also,
disable the gestures that can de-activate them.

regards,



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 06:27:31 2006
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:27:31 +0200
Subject: OOo and smb
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org>
	
Message-ID: <45921253.201@gmail.com>



Chris Miller wrote:
> I wasn't aware it didn't work.  Are there any other more detailed
> symptoms you can give me?  So far I have two mysterious black boxes in
> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the
> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black
> backdrop).
> 
> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman  wrote:
>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save files on smb
>> shares?
>>
>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go?
>>
>> Mike
The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about 
the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in 
read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of 
smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem.

Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a 
proper check on the boxes I have working.

Sinclair



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 06:32:10 2006
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:32:10 +0200
Subject: OT: way to make windows less obnoxious?
In-Reply-To: <200612261440.34543.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612261440.34543.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <4592136A.3060203@gmail.com>

That was a whole bunch of issues so I will top-post a few hints;
for changing Windows look go find Windowblinds or Object Desktop (just 
google). You should find just about every issue you raised there, 
taskbars, look/feel etc. And there is a free version of Windowblinds

As for "not messing up XP install" in my experience it is pretty 
riskfree, I never had a problem. But do burn the recovery CDs, they 
should assist you to reinstall XP but will likely overwrite Kubuntu.

As for the rest, battery etc etc, either go through 
ubuntuforums/kubuntuforums or simply give it a go. The LiveCD might 
help. And btw - I would go Dapper, not Edgy... even if Edgy is supposed 
to be better with laptops.

Sinclair

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> I got a laptop for Christmas.  To my disdain, there are a few reasons why I'm 
> going to leave Windows on this thing and set it up to dual boot.  It makes me 
> a little nauseous, but there it is.  I've sure given Linux more than a fair 
> shake, and there are a couple of things I just never have been able to do.  
> Sigh.  I would never go buy a copy of Windows, but since I have it....
> 
> I'm coming at this as somebody who has been running KDE since 2001.  I've 
> never used XP for any length of time, and I like it that way.  The most 
> amusing thing to me is seeing how a lot of the things that have happened to 
> KDE in the last while look just like Windows XP.  HAL/whatever and that 
> little hardware detection "Removeable Dongle Detected, what do you want to do 
> with it?" dialog box came right out of Windows, didn't they?
> 
> That actually makes it seem a little more homey from my perspective, even 
> though I'm doing it all backwards.
> 
> I could make it more homey if I could solve any of these problems:
> 
> 1) Can XP have more than one desktop?
> 2) Can XP have a real taskbar?
> 3) Can I PLEASE give this hideous looking pile of crap some window decorations 
> that look more like Glow or Plastik or even Keramik?  PLEASE?  OMG the window 
> decorations that come out of the box are HIDEOUS!! and the only choice out of 
> the box is to pick a more Windows 95 looking set, which are only mildly less 
> disturbing to behold.  (If I want to install more using the provided 
> mechanism, I need to break out my wallet and pay money for more window 
> decorations.  What bullshit.  I'm sure there are free window decorations out 
> there, and 90-100% of them probably come bundled with some kind of spyware or 
> something.  Ugh.  I've seen lots of spam emails with .EXE files that want me 
> to install some cool emoticons or what have you.  Suuuuuure.  I have been 
> grateful that .EXE files didn't work on Linux, because of all the damage my 
> stupid users could do with that power, and I suspect for good reason.)
> 
> I actually started looking into running KDE on Windows, but the projects I 
> found all look old and out of date, and I figure that's a futile avenue to 
> pursue.  I did outfit this pile of monkey giblets with Cygwin, the GIMP, and 
> OO.o.  If I could put KMail and Konqueror on there it would *almost* be 
> usable, but I guess that's too much to hope for.
> 
> While I'm at it, how do I put Kubuntu on this bucket of pus without screwing 
> up the factory install of XP for which I have no CDs?  I was prompted to burn 
> a recovery DVD when I turned it on for the first time, but I have no idea if 
> I can reinstall with that or not.  I imagine not.  As much as it pains me to 
> need Windows, I really do.  I've been sitting here looking at a $250 
> Mindstorms NXT kit for six months that I haven't been able to do anything 
> with yet, for example.  (I bought it because the NQC guy made it sound like 
> NQC would work with NXT before NXT even came out.  So much for that.  It 
> still doesn't work as of a month ago or so, the last time I looked.)
> 
> I know all of this is totally off-topic, so please reply off-list.  I'm coming 
> here because I'm already here.  I sure as hell don't want to go find some 
> Windows-oriented mailing list and ask for help trying to manage using the 
> putrid reeking mass of rotten gopher intestines as though it were a real 
> desktop environment running on a real OS.  They'd just start yelling at me, 
> and telling me how stupid I am for not loving the Teletubby interface, or the 
> broken taskbar, or the single why the hell doesn't Windows have more than one 
> desktop.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> And ON topic...  How do I deal with the wireless on this thing and all the 
> battery management stuff if and when I do put Kubuntu on here?  It's a crappy 
> laptop from Wal-Mart.  Everex.  VIA C7 1.5 GHz, 512 MB.  I figure it's going 
> to be hell when I try to boot Kubuntu on here, but I guess I will try it in 
> six hours, when this virus scan finally finishes.
> 
> Virus scan.
> 
> Barf.
> 
> I'm expecting the wireless won't work without much pain.  That's my impression 
> from investigating the possibility of moving my all-Linux network wireless.
> 
> So maybe I should get one of those external radio repeater dongles that hooks 
> to the machine with a good ol' cat-5 cable, and forget about trying to get 
> its 802.11/g thingie to work?
> 
> I guess we'll boot it and find out.  I currently don't have wireless working 
> under Windows either, since I don't have a wireless broadcaster thingie.  But 
> I really don't want to have to keep dragging this thing around tied to a 
> wall, and want to get that working on at least one of the operating systems.
> 
> Ramble ramble ramble, I could go STFW and try to do my own digging, but I've 
> answered a lot more than I've asked over the years, and I feel like being a 
> lazy bastard, and asking people to please give me some free answers.
> 
> Happy new year.
> 



From lensch at opensourcemedia.de  Wed Dec 27 07:08:28 2006
From: lensch at opensourcemedia.de (Christian Lensch)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:08:28 +0100
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061226180206.29127.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45921BEC.8040001@opensourcemedia.de>

Daniel Axtell schrieb:
> 
> I booted with the 6.06 CD-ROM and can mount the file system, everything 
> seems to be there; I tried to change the GRUB menu.lst file to make the 
> older kernel boot, but that didnt' help, since I'm not sure now to make 
> that 'stick' (I'm more familiar with LILO).

Once you booted from the 6.06CD:

mount your root-partition with write-permissions (probably /dev/sda1 or 
/dev/hda1)
Edit your menu.list in the chroot-environment (e.g. 
/mountpoint_of_root_partition/boot/grub/menu.list)
then execute
	chroot /mountpoint_of_root_partition

You can make it 'stick' by running:
	grub-install /dev/hda
or
	grub-install /dev/sda
depending on type of your hard-disk
IDE -> use /dev/hda
or
SCSI (SATA) -> /dev/sda
and grub will be installed in the MBR of that disk.



From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 27 10:36:02 2006
From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 05:36:02 -0500
Subject: KMyMoney in Edgy KDE 3.5.5
Message-ID: <200612270536.02822.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>

Has anyone here had any success in properly installing KMyMoney in Edgy so 
that all of the OFX features work correctly?  If you had, I suspect that you 
also needed to compile the package from the source....  

A growing number of folks (including me) would like a HowTo on the subject as 
it seems that not all of the widgets for KMyMoney got compiled for the Edgy 
distribution that were available in Dapper.

For anyone who has had success with this, I would like to direct your 
attention to the Kubuntu Forum:

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=12232.0

and the bug report:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney2/+bug/77139


Larry Hartman



From m-wright at eskimo.com  Wed Dec 27 15:24:02 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:24:02 -0800
Subject: OT: way to make windows less obnoxious?
References: <200612261440.34543.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<4592136A.3060203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45929012.5050300@eskimo.com>

I've just installed Dapper (6.06 LTS) on my Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 
and it seems to work very well.  Issues I had with RedHat 8 on the 
Toshiba that aren't issues with Dapper involve:

USB port operation
Wireless access
Automatic shutoff
Battery charge indication

I'm not blaming RedHat 8.  I've used it (and still do) for several years 
with hardly a blip on an older Dell laptop on which the issues above 
don't exist.  I found RH8 to be so stable and useful that I've used only 
Linux for several years.

I still have a few things to work out, but I'm pretty happy with Dapper. 
 I thank this group for some really useful help.

Maynard
 

O. Sinclair wrote:

>
>
>As for the rest, battery etc etc, either go through 
>ubuntuforums/kubuntuforums or simply give it a go. The LiveCD might 
>help. And btw - I would go Dapper, not Edgy... even if Edgy is supposed 
>to be better with laptops.
>
>Sinclair
>







From doc.evans at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 17:41:04 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:41:04 -0700
Subject: Q: program to read sqlite2 database
Message-ID: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of sqlite2 databases. Does anyone know what program in
the Kubuntu distro ought to be able to read/edit them? (Preferably a
nice GUI-based program :-) )



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 27 21:36:25 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:36:25 -0400
Subject: Kontact questions
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<7a6a83370612260608s2cfb022er127bc8a8e892d52e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2991d56c0612261151v7d392d6cnd32f247562751df4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:

> Hi Nathan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
>> Your errors on the console have to do with built in support within Xorg
>> for people who use Wacom pads.
> 
> I can see that the KOrganizer reminder daemon is running. 

That's korgac - so you should be getting the reminders.

Do you have the Korganizer icon on the System tray?  It's a calendar with a
handbell in front of it.  If you right-click that, maybe it actually has
reminders turned off...
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 27 21:42:26 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:42:26 -0400
Subject: Kontact questions
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<7a6a83370612260608s2cfb022er127bc8a8e892d52e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2991d56c0612261151v7d392d6cnd32f247562751df4@mail.gmail.com>
	<14cf5ea70612261422u2768988fgb6baabff75d007ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2v5b64-g49.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>

Rashid ul Islam wrote:

> You can make Kontact run in the system tray. Right click on the K Menu
> icon and select menu editor. Find Kontact (its under Office) click on it
> and check the system tray box.

Doesn't do anything for me...
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 27 21:47:58 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:47:58 -0400
Subject: k3b permissions error
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	 <7912657.post@talk.nabble.com>
	 <8050458.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: 

mattflaschen wrote:

> Derek Broughton-2 wrote:
>> 
>>> $ sudo chgrp burning /dev/sg0
>> 
>> Well, not too elegant I'm afraid - what do you do when you reboot?  /dev
>> is
>> entirely in tmpfs, so it's rebuilt at boot.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thanks.  I didn't realize that the permissions were lost.  I tried to
> change it permanently by modifying /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
> , but
> that didn't seem to work.  I've now tried 90-modprobe.rules , in the same
> directory, and I'll reboot now.

The brute force approach would just be to use:
KERNEL=="sg[0-9]", GROUP="burning"

in 40-permissions.rules (or better, in your own 50-local.rules).
-- 
derek




From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 23:44:00 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:44:00 -0600
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <2v5b64-g49.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<14cf5ea70612261422u2768988fgb6baabff75d007ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<2v5b64-g49.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 3:42 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Rashid ul Islam wrote:
> > You can make Kontact run in the system tray. Right click on the K Menu
> > icon and select menu editor. Find Kontact (its under Office) click on it
> > and check the system tray box.
>
> Doesn't do anything for me...
> --
> derek

If you open Kontact, then click on "Settings" -> "Configure 
Kontact" -> "Mail" -> "Appearance" Then find the "System Tray" tab across the 
top.  In it you'll see the option for the system tray icon, and another 
section that tells Kontact to show the icon always, or just when you have new 
mail.

If you have accounts set up in kontact (or kmail) you'll see the icon that 
looks like Kmail's icon show up in the system tray.  If you have unread mail  
a number (usually in blue) will hid the Kmail icon.

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 28 00:40:34 2006
From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:40:34 -0500
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<2v5b64-g49.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612271940.34551.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>

I have learned that having KMail set up to run as tray icon saps some 
processor performance.  As I was learning what all of the various programs in 
the KDE menus do, I discovered a handy little program called Korn--its sole 
function is to sit in your system tray and check your mail, when you get new 
mail it notifies you, and you can set it up to open Kmail if you click on the 
Korn icon in the system tray.  My bootup time has been tangibly reduced.  
Just a suggestion.


On Wednesday 27 December 2006 18:44, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 3:42 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Rashid ul Islam wrote:
> > > You can make Kontact run in the system tray. Right click on the K Menu
> > > icon and select menu editor. Find Kontact (its under Office) click on
> > > it and check the system tray box.
> >
> > Doesn't do anything for me...
> > --
> > derek
>
> If you open Kontact, then click on "Settings" -> "Configure
> Kontact" -> "Mail" -> "Appearance" Then find the "System Tray" tab across
> the top.  In it you'll see the option for the system tray icon, and another
> section that tells Kontact to show the icon always, or just when you have
> new mail.
>
> If you have accounts set up in kontact (or kmail) you'll see the icon that
> looks like Kmail's icon show up in the system tray.  If you have unread
> mail a number (usually in blue) will hid the Kmail icon.
>
> --
> See Ya'
> Howard Coles Jr.
> John 3:16!



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 01:26:54 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:26:54 +0000
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: 
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0jg564-v4v.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<2991d56c0612260324g58a9ff33w48cd253f57b14a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<7a6a83370612260608s2cfb022er127bc8a8e892d52e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2991d56c0612261151v7d392d6cnd32f247562751df4@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612271726he76100ax553db00df079613b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Derek,


>
> That's korgac - so you should be getting the reminders.
>
> Do you have the Korganizer icon on the System tray?  It's a calendar with a
> handbell in front of it.  If you right-click that, maybe it actually has
> reminders turned off...

Yes. And the reminders are on. I tested KOrganizer on another distro
andit looked like that the reminders I set was not working. Then
suddenly one of them popped up. I think the problem should be with
start date/due date but I am not sure yet. I'll investigate that
further though.

Thanks for your support,
Behi

-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 01:32:46 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:32:46 +0000
Subject: Poor Verdana Font Quality
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612271732s45b44e75o46c20dc8a44cfd04@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have installed the MS Verdana font on my Kubuntu setup. I usually
turn AA off cause my eyes are a little bit (1.5 ;-) weak and I can
read texts better when AA is off. I turn AA of even in Windows.

But Verdana is rendered very poorly on small sizes. I have uploaded a
screenshot here: http://files.myopera.com/behrangsa/files/verdana1.png

Could someone please have a look at the shot and let me know if the
low quality is reproducible on his/her machine or how can I fix it?
Please have a look at the first three lines, and the W and N
characters.

Regards,
Behi

-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Thu Dec 28 01:41:19 2006
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (mattflaschen)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:41:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: k3b permissions error
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	 <7912657.post@talk.nabble.com>
	 <8050458.post@talk.nabble.com>
	
Message-ID: <8070039.post@talk.nabble.com>




Derek Broughton-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> The brute force approach would just be to use:
> KERNEL=="sg[0-9]", GROUP="burning"
> 
> in 40-permissions.rules (or better, in your own 50-local.rules).
> 

Well, just sg0 in 90-modprobe.rules worked.  It may be a bit hackish :) but
I'm sticking to it for now.  Thanks for your help.

Matt

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/k3b-permissions-error-tf2771718.html#a8070039
Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.




From rbmorse at comcast.net  Thu Dec 28 02:23:09 2006
From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:23:09 -0700
Subject: Poor Verdana Font Quality
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0612271732s45b44e75o46c20dc8a44cfd04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612271732s45b44e75o46c20dc8a44cfd04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612271923.09851.rbmorse@comcast.net>

I can confirm it looks pretty bad, but I don't know what to do about 
it. 

RBM

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 18:32, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have installed the MS Verdana font on my Kubuntu setup. I usually
> turn AA off cause my eyes are a little bit (1.5 ;-) weak and I can
> read texts better when AA is off. I turn AA of even in Windows.
>
> But Verdana is rendered very poorly on small sizes. I have uploaded
> a screenshot here:
> http://files.myopera.com/behrangsa/files/verdana1.png
>
> Could someone please have a look at the shot and let me know if the
> low quality is reproducible on his/her machine or how can I fix it?
> Please have a look at the first three lines, and the W and N
> characters.
>
> Regards,
> Behi
>
> --
> "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary
> condition" - Alan Turing
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh
> http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
> http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 03:03:35 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:03:35 -0600
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: <200612271940.34551.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<200612271940.34551.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <200612272103.35947.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 6:40 pm, Larry Hartman wrote:
> I have learned that having KMail set up to run as tray icon saps some
> processor performance.  As I was learning what all of the various programs
> in the KDE menus do, I discovered a handy little program called Korn--its
> sole function is to sit in your system tray and check your mail, when you
> get new mail it notifies you, and you can set it up to open Kmail if you
> click on the Korn icon in the system tray.  My bootup time has been
> tangibly reduced. Just a suggestion.
>

Yes, I've noticed it soaks up the processor on boot time.  Takes a horribly 
long time to boot thanks to kontact starting up on boot.
I may look into korn.  I've avoided it because I thought it would need to be 
setup with all the account info, but I must overcome laziness =D.

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 28 03:14:11 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:14:11 -0400
Subject: k3b permissions error
References: <200612061908.29773.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	<880dece00612090359w711b1906xa3cb39094c8725ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612090917.29952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612091052.04413.pkaplan1@comcast.net>
	
	<200612121022.13208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	 <7912657.post@talk.nabble.com>
	 <8050458.post@talk.nabble.com>
	
	<8070039.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3dpb64-ssa.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>

mattflaschen wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Derek Broughton-2 wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The brute force approach would just be to use:
>> KERNEL=="sg[0-9]", GROUP="burning"
>> 
>> in 40-permissions.rules (or better, in your own 50-local.rules).
>> 
> 
> Well, just sg0 in 90-modprobe.rules worked.  It may be a bit hackish :)
> but
> I'm sticking to it for now.  Thanks for your help.

My own version has:

derek at othello:~$ grep sg /etc/udev/rules.d/*.rules
/etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules:KERNEL=="sg[0-9]", \
 IMPORT{parent}=="ID_*", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", GROUP="cdrom"

and I'm convinced that it really _should_ work (and right now,
where /dev/sg1 is associated with /dev/scd0, the ownership is correct), but
last week when I was actually doing some CD burning, I had to keep setting
the permissions on /dev/sg0.  I obviously have some work to do ... :-)
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 28 03:18:35 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:18:35 -0400
Subject: Kontact questions
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<14cf5ea70612261422u2768988fgb6baabff75d007ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<2v5b64-g49.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Howard Coles Jr. wrote:

> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 3:42 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Rashid ul Islam wrote:
>> > You can make Kontact run in the system tray. Right click on the K Menu
>> > icon and select menu editor. Find Kontact (its under Office) click on
>> > it and check the system tray box.
>>
>> Doesn't do anything for me...
>> --
>> derek
> 
> If you open Kontact, then click on "Settings" -> "Configure
> Kontact" -> "Mail" -> "Appearance" Then find the "System Tray" tab across
> the
> top.  In it you'll see the option for the system tray icon, and another
> section that tells Kontact to show the icon always, or just when you have
> new mail.

That's not at all the same thing as having kontact in the system tray -
that's having KMail in the tray.  That was my first question when this
thread started, because I routinely have KMail and Akregator in the tray.  
> 
> If you have accounts set up in kontact (or kmail) 

You can't just say "kontact or kmail", they're different beasts.

I came across an interesting "feature" while playing with this today,
though.  If I run kontact, and switch to KMail, and then close the window
with the close button on the top right, kmail (and kontact) don't close -
kmail is simply iconized.  If, however, I switch first to News (KNode), and
close the window, kontact (and kmail) close...  I love consistency.
-- 
derek




From claydoh at claydoh.com  Thu Dec 28 04:19:50 2006
From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:19:50 -0500
Subject: Kontact questions
In-Reply-To: 
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <200612272320.11523.claydoh@claydoh.com>

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 10:18 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:

> I came across an interesting "feature" while playing with this today,
> though.  If I run kontact, and switch to KMail, and then close the window
> with the close button on the top right, kmail (and kontact) don't close -
> kmail is simply iconized.  If, however, I switch first to News (KNode), and
> close the window, kontact (and kmail) close...  I love consistency.
> --
> derek
You may have a bug of some sort as it does not do this for me :)
I think I would have ditched kontact if it did, I would find that very very 
annoying
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://claydoh.com
http://emacdogsports.com 
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From vayu at sklinks.com  Thu Dec 28 07:46:16 2006
From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:46:16 -0800
Subject: Poor Verdana Font Quality
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0612271732s45b44e75o46c20dc8a44cfd04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0612271732s45b44e75o46c20dc8a44cfd04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45937648.5050704@sklinks.com>

I think it's a common custom to use anti-alias on larger font sizes and 
turn it off for smaller sizes. Your screen shot looks like your font 
size is large enough to be anti-aliased. There are several articles on 
setting your .fonts.conf file (in your home directory) on the ubuntu 
forums. There are other things like sub-pixel rendering and hinting that 
you can address too.

Here's mine, which is much simpler these days. I have AA always on. I 
used to turn it off for a certain size or below. I used to set 
attributes for specific fonts and weights. With Dapper and Beryl my 
fonts are finally looking almost as good as Cleartype on Windows.






none




true




hintmedium




true





Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have installed the MS Verdana font on my Kubuntu setup. I usually
> turn AA off cause my eyes are a little bit (1.5 ;-) weak and I can
> read texts better when AA is off. I turn AA of even in Windows.
>
> But Verdana is rendered very poorly on small sizes. I have uploaded a
> screenshot here: http://files.myopera.com/behrangsa/files/verdana1.png
>
> Could someone please have a look at the shot and let me know if the
> low quality is reproducible on his/her machine or how can I fix it?
> Please have a look at the first three lines, and the W and N
> characters.
>
> Regards,
> Behi
>
>   




From behrangsa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 12:31:09 2006
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:31:09 +1100
Subject: Poor Verdana Font Quality
In-Reply-To: <45937648.5050704@sklinks.com>
References: <2991d56c0612271732s45b44e75o46c20dc8a44cfd04@mail.gmail.com>
	<45937648.5050704@sklinks.com>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0612280431r4942a8fbgc98e10650bdad8a6@mail.gmail.com>

Vayu,

Thanks for the response. Actually the problem with bold N and W
letters of the Verdana font on Linux is that they are always rendered
ugly, no matter AA being on or off.

I think this must be a bug in the bytecode interpreter or maybe
somewhere else in the X11 subsystem. It would be nice if someone on
the Kubuntu team could discuss the matter with the X11 guys and let us
know what do they say.

Regards,
Behi

On 12/28/06, Vayu  wrote:
> I think it's a common custom to use anti-alias on larger font sizes and
> turn it off for smaller sizes. Your screen shot looks like your font
> size is large enough to be anti-aliased. There are several articles on
> setting your .fonts.conf file (in your home directory) on the ubuntu
> forums. There are other things like sub-pixel rendering and hinting that
> you can address too.
>
> Here's mine, which is much simpler these days. I have AA always on. I
> used to turn it off for a certain size or below. I used to set
> attributes for specific fonts and weights. With Dapper and Beryl my
> fonts are finally looking almost as good as Cleartype on Windows.
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> none
> 
> 
> 
> 
> true
> 
> 
> 
> 
> hintmedium
> 
> 
> 
> 
> true
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have installed the MS Verdana font on my Kubuntu setup. I usually
> > turn AA off cause my eyes are a little bit (1.5 ;-) weak and I can
> > read texts better when AA is off. I turn AA of even in Windows.
> >
> > But Verdana is rendered very poorly on small sizes. I have uploaded a
> > screenshot here: http://files.myopera.com/behrangsa/files/verdana1.png
> >
> > Could someone please have a look at the shot and let me know if the
> > low quality is reproducible on his/her machine or how can I fix it?
> > Please have a look at the first three lines, and the W and N
> > characters.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Behi
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


-- 
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
- Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 28 13:37:49 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:37:49 -0400
Subject: Kontact questions
References: <2991d56c0612241217o6c909a20q76c2358c728958b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612271744.00466.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	
	<200612272320.11523.claydoh@claydoh.com>
Message-ID: 

claydoh wrote:

> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 10:18 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>> I came across an interesting "feature" while playing with this today,
>> though.  If I run kontact, and switch to KMail, and then close the window
>> with the close button on the top right, kmail (and kontact) don't close -
>> kmail is simply iconized.  If, however, I switch first to News (KNode),
>> and
>> close the window, kontact (and kmail) close...  I love consistency.

> You may have a bug of some sort as it does not do this for me :)
> I think I would have ditched kontact if it did, I would find that very
> very annoying

I don't think most would - how often do you close your mail program?  I've
been using Kontact for 7 years (I think), and only discovered this
specifically because I was looking for ways to hide kontact in the system
tray.
-- 
derek




From doc.evans at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 15:44:40 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:44:40 -0700
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4593E668.9040208@gmail.com>

Daniel Axtell said the following at 12/25/2006 09:02 PM :
> I've got a new machine that's fairly generic desktop (dual core, Nviidia
> card, no weird hardware) that was running Dapper quite well.  I thought
> I'd give Edgy a try before I started using the machine, so I followed
> the instructions for using apt-get to upgrade.  Big mistake -- I can't
> get the machine to boot now.
> 
> I'm wondering if I do an Edgy install from scratch (because I want to
> try some of the newer version of KDE, etc.) is it likely to be a stable
> machine?  Or am I better off sticking with 6.06?

You should be fine if you do this. I was never able to complete an upgrade
from dapper to edgy successfully -- but from a fresh install, edgy has been
fine on the same machines.

> 
> Is it possible to reinstall 6.06 without reformatting the disk?  I don't
> want to lose my home directory.

I'll defer to others on that one. I always reformat completely when I
install from scratch, so it's not something I've ever tried.





From doc.evans at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 16:00:06 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:06 -0700
Subject: Q: Making Konq file manager view format sticky
Message-ID: <256f4e900612280800q2444d7c2qa4bff9909f86343b@mail.gmail.com>

A dead simple question:
  when I am using Konq as a file manager, most of the time it displays
directories in "Detailed List View" mode, which is what I want. Every
now and then, though, I navigate to a directory and it shows icons
instead. How do I tell Konq that I want it *always* to display
directories in "Detailed List View
 mode?

(KDE 3.5.5 on dapper 64-bit)



From rbmorse at comcast.net  Thu Dec 28 16:12:33 2006
From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:12:33 -0700
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
In-Reply-To: <4593E668.9040208@gmail.com>
References: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4593E668.9040208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612280912.33724.rbmorse@comcast.net>

If you have the "desktop" version CD you can boot that, mount your 
hard drive and copy /home off to some other mounted device or drive 
that won't be bothered by the fresh install. When the install is 
done, copy the old, saved /home over on top of the new one. 

Or, you can just restore the old /home from your backup into the new 
installation.   

RBM


On Thursday 28 December 2006 08:44, D. R. Evans wrote:

> Daniel Axtell said the following at 12/25/2006 09:02 PM :

> > Is it possible to reinstall 6.06 without reformatting the disk? 
> > I don't want to lose my home directory.
>
> I'll defer to others on that one. I always reformat completely when
> I install from scratch, so it's not something I've ever tried.



From kubuntu at pusspaws.net  Thu Dec 28 17:31:34 2006
From: kubuntu at pusspaws.net (Dave S)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:31:34 +0000
Subject: KDE task manager ?
Message-ID: <200612281731.34833.kubuntu@pusspaws.net>

OK I might have imagined this 

But is it possible to do something similar to a ctrl-alt-del in windows to get 
up a KDE task manager.

I thought I saw that it once on KDE ... but .... the brain gets foggy .... :)

Any suggestions ?

Dave



From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 28 17:44:09 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:44:09 -0700
Subject: KDE task manager ?
References: <200612281731.34833.kubuntu@pusspaws.net>
Message-ID: 

Dave S wrote:

> OK I might have imagined this
> 
> But is it possible to do something similar to a ctrl-alt-del in windows to
> get up a KDE task manager.
> 
> I thought I saw that it once on KDE ... but .... the brain gets foggy ....
> :)
> 
> Any suggestions ?
> 
> Dave

Try Ctrl-Esc.
-- 
Jeffrey Barish




From raphink at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec 28 17:46:05 2006
From: raphink at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:46:05 +0100
Subject: KDE task manager ?
In-Reply-To: <200612281731.34833.kubuntu@pusspaws.net>
References: <200612281731.34833.kubuntu@pusspaws.net>
Message-ID: <8ce271500612280946i4b63cfa3id06d4b4e234ccb25@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/06, Dave S  wrote:
>
> OK I might have imagined this
>
> But is it possible to do something similar to a ctrl-alt-del in windows to
> get
> up a KDE task manager.


It's ctrl+esc



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From kubuntu at pusspaws.net  Thu Dec 28 18:11:52 2006
From: kubuntu at pusspaws.net (Dave S)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:11:52 +0000
Subject: KDE task manager ?
In-Reply-To: <8ce271500612280946i4b63cfa3id06d4b4e234ccb25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200612281731.34833.kubuntu@pusspaws.net>
	<8ce271500612280946i4b63cfa3id06d4b4e234ccb25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612281811.52291.kubuntu@pusspaws.net>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 17:46, Raphaël Pinson wrote:
> On 12/28/06, Dave S  wrote:
> > OK I might have imagined this
> >
> > But is it possible to do something similar to a ctrl-alt-del in windows
> > to get
> > up a KDE task manager.
>
> It's ctrl+esc

Thanks everyone :)

Dave




From T.Six at gmx.de  Thu Dec 28 18:47:55 2006
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:47:55 +0100
Subject: Q: Making Konq file manager view format sticky
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612280800q2444d7c2qa4bff9909f86343b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612280800q2444d7c2qa4bff9909f86343b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

D. R. Evans wrote the following on 28.12.2006 17:00:
> A dead simple question:
>   when I am using Konq as a file manager, most of the time it displays
> directories in "Detailed List View" mode, which is what I want. Every
> now and then, though, I navigate to a directory and it shows icons
> instead. How do I tell Konq that I want it *always* to display
> directories in "Detailed List View
>  mode?
> 
> (KDE 3.5.5 on dapper 64-bit)

I can´t exactly remember how to turn it on/off but there is feature in
konqi to save the view per directory.
In the directory where it does not show as desired have look for a file
called: .directory (IIRC).
In there konqi saves how the show the current directory.
If you delete this file konqi will use the (your) default setting.

And somewhere this feature can be turned off completly - but as already
said i can´t remember where.

good luck

Thilo




From m-wright at eskimo.com  Thu Dec 28 19:21:28 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:21:28 -0800
Subject: mailing lists
Message-ID: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>

I'm using Kmail (under Kontact: 6.06 LTS) and it works well.  I can't seem to 
figure out, though, how to form a mailing list.  Any help out there?

Thanks,

Maynard



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 28 19:58:01 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:58:01 -0400
Subject: Dapper to Edgy problems
References: <224673.26870.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4593E668.9040208@gmail.com>
	<200612280912.33724.rbmorse@comcast.net>
Message-ID: 

Ron Morse wrote:

> If you have the "desktop" version CD you can boot that, mount your
> hard drive and copy /home off to some other mounted device or drive
> that won't be bothered by the fresh install. When the install is
> done, copy the old, saved /home over on top of the new one.
> 
> Or, you can just restore the old /home from your backup into the new
> installation.

If you keep /home on a separate partition, then you can install without
touching that partition (ie /home for the new install is on the root
partition), and simply mount the old /home when the install is finished. 
If you have multiple users, you'll probably want to restore
the /etc/passwd,/etc/shadow and /etc/group files from the original system
(so that everybody keeps the same uids).
-- 
derek




From doc.evans at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 21:30:59 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:30:59 -0700
Subject: Q: Making Konq file manager view format sticky
In-Reply-To: 
References: <256f4e900612280800q2444d7c2qa4bff9909f86343b@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <45943793.30404@gmail.com>

Thilo Six said the following at 12/28/2006 11:47 AM :

> In the directory where it does not show as desired have look for a file
> called: .directory (IIRC).

I can't recall which directory didn't display properly now :-( But I'll
remember this for next time it happens. I bet you're right and I'll find
that there's a .directory file there next time a directory doesn't display
properly.

Thanks very much.

  Doc



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 22:06:33 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:06:33 -0600
Subject: mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
References: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <200612281606.34035.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 1:21 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
> I'm using Kmail (under Kontact: 6.06 LTS) and it works well.  I can't seem
> to figure out, though, how to form a mailing list.  Any help out there?

Are you wanting to create a separate Mailing List, or receive and send email 
to a new mailing list?

Kmail is an email client, to "form" a new Mailing List you would have to use a 
List Server package.


-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From m-wright at eskimo.com  Fri Dec 29 00:52:11 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:52:11 -0800
Subject: mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <200612281606.34035.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
	<200612281606.34035.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612281652.11564.m-wright@eskimo.com>

Hi, Howard,

I want to form a local mailing list (using the phrase "mailing list" as does 
Mozilla) so that I can address an email using the name of that list and all 
members of the list will receive the email.  That's a feature built into 
Mozilla that I'm having trouble finding in Kontact.

Thanks,

Maynard

----------------------------

On Thursday 28 December 2006 14:06, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> On Thursday 28 December 2006 1:21 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
> > I'm using Kmail (under Kontact: 6.06 LTS) and it works well.  I can't
> > seem to figure out, though, how to form a mailing list.  Any help out
> > there?
>
> Are you wanting to create a separate Mailing List, or receive and send
> email to a new mailing list?
>
> Kmail is an email client, to "form" a new Mailing List you would have to
> use a List Server package.
>
>
> --
> See Ya'
> Howard Coles Jr.
> John 3:16!



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 01:52:01 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:52:01 -0600
Subject: mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <200612281652.11564.m-wright@eskimo.com>
References: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
	<200612281606.34035.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<200612281652.11564.m-wright@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <200612281952.01272.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 6:52 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
> Hi, Howard,
>
> I want to form a local mailing list (using the phrase "mailing list" as
> does Mozilla) so that I can address an email using the name of that list
> and all members of the list will receive the email.  That's a feature built
> into Mozilla that I'm having trouble finding in Kontact.
>

You know, now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it myself.  I normally 
think of what you're talking about as a "Group" or "email Distribution List".  
Heh.  

Well, I guess we need to "Request a feature".

-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 02:13:46 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:13:46 -0700
Subject: mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <200612281952.01272.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
	<200612281652.11564.m-wright@eskimo.com>
	<200612281952.01272.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612281913.46459.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 18:52, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> On Thursday 28 December 2006 6:52 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
> > Hi, Howard,
> >
> > I want to form a local mailing list (using the phrase "mailing list" as
> > does Mozilla) so that I can address an email using the name of that list
> > and all members of the list will receive the email.  That's a feature
> > built into Mozilla that I'm having trouble finding in Kontact.
>
> You know, now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it myself.  I normally
> think of what you're talking about as a "Group" or "email Distribution
> List". Heh.
>
> Well, I guess we need to "Request a feature".
I think you are looking in the wrong place set it up in your address book
>
> --
> See Ya'
> Howard Coles Jr.
> John 3:16!



From dhcolesj at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 02:29:37 2006
From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:29:37 -0600
Subject: mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <200612281913.46459.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
	<200612281952.01272.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<200612281913.46459.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612282029.38079.dhcolesj@gmail.com>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 8:13 pm, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> On Thursday 28 December 2006 18:52, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 December 2006 6:52 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
> > > Hi, Howard,
> > >
> > > I want to form a local mailing list (using the phrase "mailing list" as
> > > does Mozilla) so that I can address an email using the name of that
> > > list and all members of the list will receive the email.  That's a
> > > feature built into Mozilla that I'm having trouble finding in Kontact.
> >
> > You know, now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it myself.  I
> > normally think of what you're talking about as a "Group" or "email
> > Distribution List". Heh.
> >
> > Well, I guess we need to "Request a feature".
>
> I think you are looking in the wrong place set it up in your address book

Well, I'll be. 

I found it!!  
While in "Contacts" in Kontact, click on "Settings" in the menu bar at the 
top, then Click on "Show Extension Bar" -> "Distribution List editor"
It will replace the "Address Book Editor" whereever you have that placed on 
your screen.  You can then add lists.


-- 
See Ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!



From doc.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 02:34:20 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:34:20 -0700
Subject: Q: program to read sqlite2 database
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45947EAC.2090405@gmail.com>

D. R. Evans said the following at 12/27/2006 10:41 AM :
> I have a couple of sqlite2 databases. Does anyone know what program in
> the Kubuntu distro ought to be able to read/edit them? (Preferably a
> nice GUI-based program :-) )
> 

Second request... isn't there *any* GUI program for accessing sqlite2
databases? It seems like a very fundamental capability.

(I just spent more or less the entire afternoon trying to get something
called rsqlitegui installed and working, with no success :-( Now I have to
try to back out all the stuff that I had to manually install during that
process. Not fun.)



From m-wright at eskimo.com  Fri Dec 29 04:34:00 2006
From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:34:00 -0800
Subject: mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <200612282029.38079.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <200612281121.28776.m-wright@eskimo.com>
	<200612281913.46459.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612282029.38079.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612282034.00797.m-wright@eskimo.com>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 18:29, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> On Thursday 28 December 2006 8:13 pm, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 December 2006 18:52, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> > > On Thursday 28 December 2006 6:52 pm, Maynard Wright wrote:
> > > > Hi, Howard,
> > > >
> > > > I want to form a local mailing list (using the phrase "mailing list"
> > > > as does Mozilla) so that I can address an email using the name of
> > > > that list and all members of the list will receive the email.  That's
> > > > a feature built into Mozilla that I'm having trouble finding in
> > > > Kontact.
> > >
> > > You know, now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it myself.  I
> > > normally think of what you're talking about as a "Group" or "email
> > > Distribution List". Heh.
> > >
> > > Well, I guess we need to "Request a feature".
> >
> > I think you are looking in the wrong place set it up in your address book
>
> Well, I'll be.
>
> I found it!!
> While in "Contacts" in Kontact, click on "Settings" in the menu bar at the
> top, then Click on "Show Extension Bar" -> "Distribution List editor"
> It will replace the "Address Book Editor" whereever you have that placed on
> your screen.  You can then add lists.
>
>
> --
> See Ya'
> Howard Coles Jr.
> John 3:16!

That works just fine!  I would have had considerable trouble finding that one, 
I think.

Thanks,

Maynard





From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 29 06:20:26 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:20:26 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
Message-ID: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

If anyone caught my Windows/laptop thread, you noticed I had a certain 
reservation about Kubuntu on my shiny new super el-cheapass laptop.

I'm happy to report that I'm an ignorant luser who doesn't know jack diddly 
about wireless anything, and I'm happy to remain ignorant.

I bought a cheap wireless router at Wally World.  I plugged it into my 
existing wired router.  I figured out the IP address for the administrative 
web interface flummy and told the router to be an access point (would have 
bought an access point, but they didn't have one at Wally World).

Booted Dapper (I already had Dapper burned).  I wasn't expecting the wireless 
to work, given that there are millions of pages about wireless hell on Linux.

Well, it works.  I have no idea how it works, what driver, etc.  It just 
works.  Boom.  Boot the damn thing, and I can google from my laptop, running 
off the live CD, without any wires on it.

I plugged my printer into the wireless router, and then sent a job from one of 
my wired boxes.  It worked.  (The printer has its own ethernet print server 
flummy.)

I'd say my little tribulation is over, and there was no tribulation at all.  
The most difficult thing I have to wrestle with now is trying to decide how 
much space to give Winblows, and how much to give over to the Kubuntu install 
I'm about to put on the thing.

It's a bit of a hard question.  What am I going to use Winblows for anyway?  I 
have to admit some things about it are kind of cool, like having a DVD play 
without having to figure out how to 
mplayer /dev/foo/blah -diddle -piddle -flink.  But when you go to change out 
the crappy looking window decorations and it asks for $19.95, and when the 
proffered solution for the many failings of the crappy Windows desktop is 
$49.95, it begins to become obvious that it ain't worth it folks.  Windows 
users are morons for spending all that money on stupid froofrum.

Three cheers for Kubuntu.  I'm a jaded, cynical son of a bitch, and I'm 
impressed.

The only thing to bitch about is my crappy no name video on this thing is 
coming up in VESA mode at 1024x768 on a display fixed at 1280x800.  I'm not 
sure how I'll figure that out, and it probably loses Kubuntu some N00b L00z3r 
P0Int5 for presenting me with this complication.  No, no, I'm not bitching.  
I'll probably figure something out directly.
-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 06:26:22 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:26:22 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612282326.22994.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Thursday 28 December 2006 23:20, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> If anyone caught my Windows/laptop thread, you noticed I had a certain
> reservation about Kubuntu on my shiny new super el-cheapass laptop.
>
> I'm happy to report that I'm an ignorant luser who doesn't know jack diddly
> about wireless anything, and I'm happy to remain ignorant.
>
> I bought a cheap wireless router at Wally World.  I plugged it into my
> existing wired router.  I figured out the IP address for the administrative
> web interface flummy and told the router to be an access point (would have
> bought an access point, but they didn't have one at Wally World).
>
> Booted Dapper (I already had Dapper burned).  I wasn't expecting the
> wireless to work, given that there are millions of pages about wireless
> hell on Linux.
>
> Well, it works.  I have no idea how it works, what driver, etc.  It just
> works.  Boom.  Boot the damn thing, and I can google from my laptop,
> running off the live CD, without any wires on it.
>
> I plugged my printer into the wireless router, and then sent a job from one
> of my wired boxes.  It worked.  (The printer has its own ethernet print
> server flummy.)
>
> I'd say my little tribulation is over, and there was no tribulation at all.
> The most difficult thing I have to wrestle with now is trying to decide how
> much space to give Winblows, and how much to give over to the Kubuntu
> install I'm about to put on the thing.
>
> It's a bit of a hard question.  What am I going to use Winblows for anyway?
>  I have to admit some things about it are kind of cool, like having a DVD
> play without having to figure out how to
> mplayer /dev/foo/blah -diddle -piddle -flink.  But when you go to change
> out the crappy looking window decorations and it asks for $19.95, and when
> the proffered solution for the many failings of the crappy Windows desktop
> is $49.95, it begins to become obvious that it ain't worth it folks. 
> Windows users are morons for spending all that money on stupid froofrum.
>
> Three cheers for Kubuntu.  I'm a jaded, cynical son of a bitch, and I'm
> impressed.
>
> The only thing to bitch about is my crappy no name video on this thing is
> coming up in VESA mode at 1024x768 on a display fixed at 1280x800.  I'm not
> sure how I'll figure that out, and it probably loses Kubuntu some N00b
> L00z3r P0Int5 for presenting me with this complication.  No, no, I'm not
> bitching. I'll probably figure something out directly.
go into system settings and reconfigure your rez
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 29 07:04:32 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:04:32 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612290204.32928.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 1:20 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> If anyone caught my Windows/laptop thread, you noticed I had a certain
> reservation about Kubuntu on my shiny new super el-cheapass laptop.

Well here's a little bitch.  Playing with the installer, I managed to resize 
the Windows partition without committing anything.  I chose the manual 
option, piddled, and hit the back button, but the NTFS partition got resized 
anyway.

Kind of lame.

But oh well.  It just kind of cemented my decision before I had well and truly 
made it.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 07:09:14 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:09:14 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290204.32928.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290204.32928.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 00:04, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 1:20 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > If anyone caught my Windows/laptop thread, you noticed I had a certain
> > reservation about Kubuntu on my shiny new super el-cheapass laptop.
>
> Well here's a little bitch.  Playing with the installer, I managed to
> resize the Windows partition without committing anything.  I chose the
> manual option, piddled, and hit the back button, but the NTFS partition got
> resized anyway.
>
> Kind of lame.
>
> But oh well.  It just kind of cemented my decision before I had well and
> truly made it.
give it a couple of months and you will probably delete that Win$ux 
partition ;-)
of course you will need it then the very next day :-(
>
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 29 07:13:50 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:13:50 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290204.32928.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612290213.50915.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 2:09 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 00:04, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > On Friday 29 December 2006 1:20 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > > If anyone caught my Windows/laptop thread, you noticed I had a certain
> > > reservation about Kubuntu on my shiny new super el-cheapass laptop.
> >
> > Well here's a little bitch.  Playing with the installer, I managed to
> > resize the Windows partition without committing anything.  I chose the
> > manual option, piddled, and hit the back button, but the NTFS partition
> > got resized anyway.
> >
> > Kind of lame.
> >
> > But oh well.  It just kind of cemented my decision before I had well and
> > truly made it.
>
> give it a couple of months and you will probably delete that Win$ux
> partition ;-)
> of course you will need it then the very next day :-(
>
> > --
> > D. Michael McIntyre

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From dhensonuk at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Dec 29 07:46:29 2006
From: dhensonuk at dsl.pipex.com (Donald Henson)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:46:29 +0000
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612290746.29833.dhensonuk@dsl.pipex.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 06:20, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

>
> The only thing to bitch about is my crappy no name video on this thing is
> coming up in VESA mode at 1024x768 on a display fixed at 1280x800.  I'm not
> sure how I'll figure that out, and it probably loses Kubuntu some N00b
> L00z3r P0Int5 for presenting me with this complication.  No, no, I'm not
> bitching. I'll probably figure something out directly.
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre

I've found that very few Linux distributions cope with 1280x800 screens.  My 
laptop is 1280x800 and I usually have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file 
file by hand to get this recognised.

You might have to search on the Internet for a relevant modeline to add to the 
file, change your horizsync and vertrefresh and add "1280x800" to the display 
resolution section.  The relevant bits in my Kubuntu xorg.conf file are (for 
an E machines M5116 laptop):

in Section "Monitor"
HorizSync	28-64
VertRefresh	43-60

in Section "Screen"
and in SubSection "Display"
Modes	"1280x800"

This works for Kubuntu on my laptop.  For other distributions I have to add a 
Modeline	"1280x800" 83.91 1280 1312 16624 1656 800 816 824 841 in 
Section "Monitor".

I hope this helps.

Donald



From simozack at yahoo.it  Fri Dec 29 09:01:49 2006
From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:01:49 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290746.29833.dhensonuk@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290746.29833.dhensonuk@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4594D97D.3010301@yahoo.it>

Donald Henson ha scritto:

> I've found that very few Linux distributions cope with 1280x800 screens.  My 
> laptop is 1280x800 and I usually have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file 
> file by hand to get this recognised.


On my laptop, an Acer Aspire 5672 with an Ati X1400 video card, I had 
the same problem. I followed the how-to on the ubuntu wiki reguarding 
the installation of the Ati proprietary driver and all works fine. It 
also adjusted the resolution of the desktop (1280x800).

PS: I'm Italian: sorry for my bad English.. :)
Simone

Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! 
 http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com 




From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 29 09:07:21 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:07:21 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290204.32928.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 2:09 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:

> give it a couple of months and you will probably delete that Win$ux
> partition ;-)
> of course you will need it then the very next day :-(

Reminds me of when I finally switched to broadband...  I couldn't get them to 
play nicey nice with me without running their stupid Windows CD.  I wound up 
making a place for Windows (ME, the only version I could bum a CD for), and 
then spending several hours screwing around with it to get to a point where I 
had enough screen resolution to click the "Next" button on that retarded 
system that didn't let you drag a window with that Alt key.  Bleah.

But going through the usual KDE setup channels did not fix the resolution 
problem on this thing.  I had to edit xorg.conf by hand 
and %s/1024x768/1280x800/g which still didn't quite seem to get things right.

On the bright side...  Wow.  Windows is SO lame.  I rebooted to Windows at 
some point, and it went through some system restore rigamarole.  It reverted 
all the updates I had spent 10,000 hours clicking through stupid install 
wizard screens to get installed, and it obliterated all my user accounts.

The auto updater thingie is sitting here at 60% complete forever, which 
probably means I have a virus now or something.

People pay money to put up with this shit, and then come over here to talk 
trash about Linux?

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 29 09:17:31 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:17:31 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612290417.31364.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 4:07 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> People pay money to put up with this shit, and then come over here to talk
> trash about Linux?

On the bright side, GRUB went away, and now I only have the use of half of my 
hard drive.

Urf.
-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From philsf at ufrj.br  Fri Dec 29 09:55:32 2006
From: philsf at ufrj.br (Felipe Figueiredo)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:55:32 -0200
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
Message-ID: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>

Hello,

back when I used LILO (seems so long in the past...), KDE's logout could 
easily let me choose the booting kernel/OS and reboot into it, without 
prompting. 

Well, KDM also supports GRUB, and it supposedly lets me choose options, but 
they are jsut ignored and I am dumped into GRUB's menu (with default boot 
option highlighted). Does this thing actually work with GRUB for anyone?

Oh, I am using Edgy 6.10 up-to-date.

regards
FF



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 10:31:42 2006
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:31:42 +0200
Subject: Stickykeys not sticky
In-Reply-To: <835a7820612261955n5d09a4d7mbda56eca1de4d1e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00612160211w181d3ff8pb1d44b8a28837694@mail.gmail.com>
	<835a7820612261955n5d09a4d7mbda56eca1de4d1e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00612290231o7232ac1cve74de6abebb06f4c@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/12/06, golfer  wrote:
> On 12/16/06, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> > Everytime I reboot, I must reconfigure stickykeys. In Kcontrol, the
> > options are properly set, however, I must unset them, then set them
> > again before stickykeys will work. Why is this, and what can I do to
> > aliviate the problem?
>
> Here, it's not every time, but only infrequently here ... and, it
> seems less of a problem in kde-3.5.5 .. did you upgrade yet?  Also,
> disable the gestures that can de-activate them.
>

Yes, I'm on KDE 3.5.5. And I've got nothing that will disable them.
Note that I've no problem with the sticky keys being disabled in the
middle of work, rather at startup. And yes, the box IS checked for
sticky keys, they however do not function. Unchecking and rechecking
the box, then resaving the config, restores stickykeys.

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/113/19/adams_bryan/so_far_so_good.php
http://datip.com



From aikurn at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 11:47:42 2006
From: aikurn at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leticia_Hern=E1ndez?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:47:42 +0100
Subject: Q: program to read sqlite2 database
In-Reply-To: <45947EAC.2090405@gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45947EAC.2090405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

2006/12/29, D. R. Evans :
> Second request... isn't there *any* GUI program for accessing sqlite2
> databases? It seems like a very fundamental capability.

Yes, there is at least one: SQLite Database Browser [1].

And from it's Wikipedia page [2]:
"Since version 1.2x, SQLite Database Browser supports SQLite 3.x
databases, but is no longer compatible with SQLite 2.x databases."

Hope it helps.

[1] http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQLite_Database_Browser



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 12:25:10 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:25:10 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 02:07, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 2:09 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> > give it a couple of months and you will probably delete that Win$ux
> > partition ;-)
> > of course you will need it then the very next day :-(
>
> Reminds me of when I finally switched to broadband...  I couldn't get them
> to play nicey nice with me without running their stupid Windows CD.  I
> wound up making a place for Windows (ME, the only version I could bum a CD
> for), and then spending several hours screwing around with it to get to a
> point where I had enough screen resolution to click the "Next" button on
> that retarded system that didn't let you drag a window with that Alt key. 
> Bleah.
>
> But going through the usual KDE setup channels did not fix the resolution
> problem on this thing.  I had to edit xorg.conf by hand
> and %s/1024x768/1280x800/g which still didn't quite seem to get things
> right.
>
> On the bright side...  Wow.  Windows is SO lame.  I rebooted to Windows at
> some point, and it went through some system restore rigamarole.  It
> reverted all the updates I had spent 10,000 hours clicking through stupid
> install wizard screens to get installed, and it obliterated all my user
> accounts.
>
> The auto updater thingie is sitting here at 60% complete forever, which
> probably means I have a virus now or something.
>
> People pay money to put up with this shit, and then come over here to talk
> trash about Linux?
We used to say "Anyone with a 2 digit IQ can run Linux...unfortunately that is 
more than the average windows user has."

Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has been 
flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo with bald 
tires

>
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 12:27:25 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:27:25 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <4594D97D.3010301@yahoo.it>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290746.29833.dhensonuk@dsl.pipex.com>
	<4594D97D.3010301@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <200612290527.25816.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 02:01, Simone wrote:
> Donald Henson ha scritto:
> > I've found that very few Linux distributions cope with 1280x800 screens. 
> > My laptop is 1280x800 and I usually have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> > file file by hand to get this recognised.
>
> On my laptop, an Acer Aspire 5672 with an Ati X1400 video card, I had
> the same problem. I followed the how-to on the ubuntu wiki reguarding
> the installation of the Ati proprietary driver and all works fine. It
> also adjusted the resolution of the desktop (1280x800).
>
> PS: I'm Italian: sorry for my bad English.. :)
> Simone
Granpa always said Never make fun of someone who speaks bad English...chances 
are he speaks more than one language
>
> Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale!
>  http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 12:30:53 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:30:53 -0700
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
In-Reply-To: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
Message-ID: <200612290530.53430.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 02:55, Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> back when I used LILO (seems so long in the past...), KDE's logout could
> easily let me choose the booting kernel/OS and reboot into it, without
> prompting.
>
> Well, KDM also supports GRUB, and it supposedly lets me choose options, but
> they are jsut ignored and I am dumped into GRUB's menu (with default boot
> option highlighted). Does this thing actually work with GRUB for anyone?
>
> Oh, I am using Edgy 6.10 up-to-date.
If you are trying to get Windows to be the default boot ...don't as the system 
will become unstable due to windows rewriting the boot loader
[Windows does not play nice with other O/S es]
>
> regards
> FF



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 29 12:32:04 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:32:04 +0000
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
In-Reply-To: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
Message-ID: <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk>

Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> back when I used LILO (seems so long in the past...), KDE's logout could 
> easily let me choose the booting kernel/OS and reboot into it, without 
> prompting. 
>
> Well, KDM also supports GRUB, and it supposedly lets me choose options, but 
> they are jsut ignored and I am dumped into GRUB's menu (with default boot 
> option highlighted). Does this thing actually work with GRUB for anyone?
>
> Oh, I am using Edgy 6.10 up-to-date.
>
> regards
> FF
>
>   
You have to change the line "default 0" (or similar) to "default saved" 
for that to work.

Tez





From doc.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 15:47:56 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:47:56 -0700
Subject: Q: program to read sqlite2 database
In-Reply-To: 
References: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45947EAC.2090405@gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <256f4e900612290747n22754bej77973762056e72ef@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/12/06, Leticia Hernández  wrote:

> And from it's Wikipedia page [2]:
> "Since version 1.2x, SQLite Database Browser supports SQLite 3.x
> databases, but is no longer compatible with SQLite 2.x databases."
>
> Hope it helps.

Sorry, it doesn't :-( I specifically need sqlite2 support.

From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Fri Dec 29 15:47:28 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:47:28 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612291047.29172.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 7:25 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has been
> flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo with bald
> tires

I know the feeling.  I really wish I didn't have any use for it.

The last problem was kind of a Debian gotcha.  The update-grub or whatever 
script that finds your kernels and other OSes put an entry for what is 
apparently a recovery partition.  I booted that, which is what unwound all 
the work I had spent trying to make Windows less of a pile of crap.  Not very 
helpful.

I need to read up on how to override the defaults so I can still use the auto 
updater while maintaining some custom changes, if that is possible.  
Otherwise, so far, so good.  I'm still impressed that the wireless flummy is 
working.

Now I just have to tweak it up a bit with a real kernel and such, and I guess 
I have my first Linux laptop with no grey hair at all.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Fri Dec 29 15:58:52 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:58:52 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612291047.29172.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612291047.29172.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <45953B3C.4090608@optonline.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 7:25 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:

>>Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has been
>>flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo with bald
>>tires
>>    
>>
Yeah, and a cracked muffler and bad brakes,
and a loose steering column, and malicious squirrels living under
the hood trying to steer the thing to Uncle Ned´s World of Nuts...

-- 
http://www.baldwinlinguas.com
http://www.photodharma.com
--------BEGIN GEEK CODE--------
Version: 3.1
GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++
--------END GEEK CODE----------





From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 17:05:56 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:05:56 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <45953B3C.4090608@optonline.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612291047.29172.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<45953B3C.4090608@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <200612291005.57069.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 08:58, anthony baldwin wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 7:25 am, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> >>Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has been
> >>flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo with bald
> >>tires
>
> Yeah, and a cracked muffler and bad brakes,
> and a loose steering column, and malicious squirrels living under
> the hood trying to steer the thing to Uncle Ned´s World of Nuts...
Hey! leave my Squirrels out of it ;-)
>
> --
> http://www.baldwinlinguas.com
> http://www.photodharma.com
> --------BEGIN GEEK CODE--------
> Version: 3.1
> GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G
> e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE----------



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 29 16:41:32 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:41:32 -0400
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
Message-ID: 

Felipe Figueiredo wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> back when I used LILO (seems so long in the past...), KDE's logout could
> easily let me choose the booting kernel/OS and reboot into it, without
> prompting.
> 
> Well, KDM also supports GRUB, and it supposedly lets me choose options,
> but they are jsut ignored and I am dumped into GRUB's menu (with default
> boot option highlighted). Does this thing actually work with GRUB for
> anyone?
> 
> Oh, I am using Edgy 6.10 up-to-date.

It does, but it's nowhere near as simple as LILO.  Unfortunately.
-- 
derek




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Dec 29 17:28:02 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:28:02 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612291228.02897.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 07:25, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
>
>We used to say "Anyone with a 2 digit IQ can run Linux...unfortunately
> that is more than the average windows user has."
>
>Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has
> been flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo
> with bald tires

I thought we had recycled all those by now?

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 17:46:51 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:46:51 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612291228.02897.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290525.10539.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612291228.02897.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200612291046.51090.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 10:28, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 07:25, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> >We used to say "Anyone with a 2 digit IQ can run Linux...unfortunately
> > that is more than the average windows user has."
> >
> >Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has
> > been flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo
> > with bald tires
>
> I thought we had recycled all those by now?
I actually know a guy that collects them..can't figure out why anyone would 
want to ..but
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
> message by Gene Heskett are:
> Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 29 17:52:54 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:52:54 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290746.29833.dhensonuk@dsl.pipex.com>
	<4594D97D.3010301@yahoo.it>
	<200612290527.25816.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: 

Grumpy_Penguin wrote:

> On Friday 29 December 2006 02:01, Simone wrote:

>> PS: I'm Italian: sorry for my bad English.. :)
>> Simone

> Granpa always said Never make fun of someone who speaks bad
> English...chances are he speaks more than one language

LOL.  Granpa was a smart guy.  I definitely have to remember that line.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 29 17:56:21 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:56:21 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290009.14275.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	<200612290407.22144.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290417.31364.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <5f1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On Friday 29 December 2006 4:07 am, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> 
>> People pay money to put up with this shit, and then come over here to
>> talk trash about Linux?
> 
> On the bright side, GRUB went away, and now I only have the use of half of
> my hard drive.

Not a serious problem.  Just search the archives of this lists - I know I've
posted my solution for this twice within the last 10 days, and there are
numerous methods.
-- 
derek




From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Fri Dec 29 18:15:46 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:15:46 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290527.25816.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	
Message-ID: <200612291115.46522.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 10:52, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
> > On Friday 29 December 2006 02:01, Simone wrote:
> >> PS: I'm Italian: sorry for my bad English.. :)
> >> Simone
> >
> > Granpa always said Never make fun of someone who speaks bad
> > English...chances are he speaks more than one language
>
> LOL.  Granpa was a smart guy.  I definitely have to remember that line.
Wisest man I ever knew he was a Blacksmith
> --
> derek



From lists at ptfd.org  Fri Dec 29 18:18:16 2006
From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:18:16 -0500
Subject: OOo and smb
In-Reply-To: <45921253.201@gmail.com>
References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org>
	
	<45921253.201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org>

On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote:
> Chris Miller wrote:
> > I wasn't aware it didn't work.  Are there any other more detailed
> > symptoms you can give me?  So far I have two mysterious black boxes in
> > my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the
> > swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black
> > backdrop).
> >
> > On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman  wrote:
> >> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save files
> >> on smb shares?
> >>
> >> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go?
> >>
> >> Mike
>
> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about
> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in
> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of
> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem.
>
> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a
> proper check on the boxes I have working.
>
> Sinclair

Sinclair,

Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't even 
open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it will open 
read only.

I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's home 
directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any desktop in 
the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I just add the 
parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the various users homes? 
I take it I would have to assign each user account on each desktop the same 
UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow with kde to the appropriate 
home upon login.

Mike



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 29 17:51:48 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:51:48 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290746.29833.dhensonuk@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: 

Donald Henson wrote:

> On Friday 29 December 2006 06:20, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> 
>> The only thing to bitch about is my crappy no name video on this thing is
>> coming up in VESA mode at 1024x768 on a display fixed at 1280x800.
> 
> I've found that very few Linux distributions cope with 1280x800 screens. 

I did a fresh install of edgy last week, and it came up with 1280x800
automatically.  Yeah, edgy!  (I spent weeks getting that to work in
breezy).

> My laptop is 1280x800 and I usually have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> file file by hand to get this recognised.
> 
> You might have to search on the Internet for a relevant modeline to add to
> the file, change your horizsync and vertrefresh and add "1280x800" to the
> display
> resolution section.  The relevant bits in my Kubuntu xorg.conf file are
> (for an E machines M5116 laptop):

Search???  "gtf 1280 800 60" is all it takes.
> 
> in Section "Monitor"
> HorizSync     28-64
> VertRefresh   43-60

On a laptop, you should never need a range for VertRefresh - LCD screens run
at 60Hz.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 29 17:58:32 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:58:32 -0400
Subject: Q: program to read sqlite2 database
References: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45947EAC.2090405@gmail.com>
	
	<256f4e900612290747n22754bej77973762056e72ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8j1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>

D. R. Evans wrote:

> On 29/12/06, Leticia Hernández  wrote:
> 
>> And from it's Wikipedia page [2]:
>> "Since version 1.2x, SQLite Database Browser supports SQLite 3.x
>> databases, but is no longer compatible with SQLite 2.x databases."
>>
>> Hope it helps.
> 
> Sorry, it doesn't :-( I specifically need sqlite2 support.

So?  Get version 1.1.
-- 
derek




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Dec 29 18:54:11 2006
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:54:11 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612291046.51090.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612291228.02897.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200612291046.51090.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200612291354.11541.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 12:46, Grumpy_Penguin wrote:
[...]
>> >
>> >Whenever I have to use a Winblows system I feel like someone who has
>> > been flying an F-16 and all of a sudden they demote me to a 73 Yugo
>> > with bald tires
>>
>> I thought we had recycled all those by now?
>
>I actually know a guy that collects them..can't figure out why anyone
> would want to ..but

Indeed.  People like that bear watching, carefully.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



From art.alexion at verizon.net  Fri Dec 29 19:44:06 2006
From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:44:06 -0500
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
In-Reply-To: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
Message-ID: <200612291444.07977.art.alexion@verizon.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 04:55, Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> back when I used LILO (seems so long in the past...), KDE's logout could
> easily let me choose the booting kernel/OS and reboot into it, without
> prompting.
>
> Well, KDM also supports GRUB, and it supposedly lets me choose options, but
> they are jsut ignored and I am dumped into GRUB's menu (with default boot
> option highlighted). Does this thing actually work with GRUB for anyone?

Check the archives for this.  I succeeded in setting it up with instructions 
from this list.  I just don't remember how.
-- 

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From linux_milano at yahoo.it  Fri Dec 29 21:25:55 2006
From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (pol)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:25:55 +0100
Subject: keyboard issue
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I have just changed my keyboard layout from 'us' to 'italian'.
through the kde control panel. Yet accented characters are only displayed
in vim session; xterm and konsole session do not accept those chaarcters,
nothing is printed out. 
Lyx session prints empty squares.  
What is  wrong?

Also tried xkeycaps, no luck.
I am puzzled about which configuration files are actually used by ubuntu 


Thank you for your help 
--
Pol




From orbert at orbert.net  Fri Dec 29 22:11:55 2006
From: orbert at orbert.net (Robert Morrison)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:11:55 -0600
Subject: Java Question: libgtkpeer
Message-ID: <200612291611.55657.orbert@orbert.net>


Hi:

While trying to run a java app (specifically, NeurosDBM[1]),
I get the following error:

me at myhost:~/ndbm$ gij -jar NeurosDBM.1.49.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: 
gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
   at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(libgcj.so.70)
   at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(libgcj.so.70)
   at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.NeurosDBM.main(NeurosDBM.java:401)
Caused by: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: libgtkpeer: libgtkpeer.so: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory
   at java.lang.Runtime._load(libgcj.so.70)
(etc)

Based on the error message, I searched for 'gtkpeer' in 
Adept, found classpath-gtkpeer, and installed it. No change. 
Any suggestions appreciated.

(By the way: what's the kubuntu equivalent of 'rpm -qa'?)

TIA,
Robert


[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/neurosdbm/



From kaj at haulrich.net  Fri Dec 29 22:52:18 2006
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:52:18 +0100
Subject: keyboard issue
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200612292352.18793.kaj@haulrich.net>

On Friday 29 December 2006 22:25, pol wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have just changed my keyboard layout from 'us' to 'italian'.
> through the kde control panel. Yet accented characters are only
> displayed in vim session; xterm and konsole session do not accept
> those chaarcters, nothing is printed out.
> Lyx session prints empty squares.
> What is  wrong?
>
> Also tried xkeycaps, no luck.
> I am puzzled about which configuration files are actually used by
> ubuntu

Maybe change the locale settings in 'System Settings' --> 
Personal --> Regional & Language  (KDE) ?  -  Restart X.

Kaj Haulrich.
-- 
*** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer ***
********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) *********



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 30 00:42:24 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:42:24 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <5f1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290417.31364.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<5f1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <200612291942.24835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 12:56 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:

> > On the bright side, GRUB went away, and now I only have the use of half
> > of my hard drive.
>
> Not a serious problem.  Just search the archives of this lists - I know

Oh yeah, I know.  I fixed it.  I just thought that was spectacularly helpful 
of Windows.

Not.

Bleah.  It's interesting seeing Windows after all this time.  It gets some 
things right, some things wrong, and a lot of things just annoyingly 
different, but basically the same.

Plus for Windows, the software I couldn't get to run under WINE, and watching 
Youtube with the video actually synchronized to the audio.  Lots of stupid 
web content stuff is working that I never saw work before, which is sort of 
interesting.

On balance though, none of that glitzy froo froo is worth putting up with 
having every other thing you click offer to take your money to buy some 
stupid new dongle.  It's a lot worse now than it was at the turn of the 
century.  Or maybe five years of beer free software just spoiled me and made 
me a cheap bastard.

Either way...
-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 30 00:26:00 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:26:00 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612290527.25816.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
	
Message-ID: <200612291926.00125.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 12:52 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:

> > Granpa always said Never make fun of someone who speaks bad
> > English...chances are he speaks more than one language
>
> LOL.  Granpa was a smart guy.  I definitely have to remember that line.

It ain't a bad line, but it proves you wasn't borned where I was.  People 
talks bad English real regular, and it don't mean they knows no other ones 
neither.

:)

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From vayu at sklinks.com  Sat Dec 30 04:23:27 2006
From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:23:27 -0800
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <200612291942.24835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>	<200612290417.31364.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>	<5f1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<200612291942.24835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: <4595E9BF.8050900@sklinks.com>

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 12:56 pm, Derek Broughton wrote:
>
>   
>>> On the bright side, GRUB went away, and now I only have the use of half
>>> of my hard drive.
>>>       
>> Not a serious problem.  Just search the archives of this lists - I know
>>     
>
> Oh yeah, I know.  I fixed it.  I just thought that was spectacularly helpful 
> of Windows.
>
> Not.
>
> Bleah.  It's interesting seeing Windows after all this time.  It gets some 
> things right, some things wrong, and a lot of things just annoyingly 
> different, but basically the same.
>
> Plus for Windows, the software I couldn't get to run under WINE, and watching 
> Youtube with the video actually synchronized to the audio.  Lots of stupid 
> web content stuff is working that I never saw work before, which is sort of 
> interesting.
>
> On balance though, none of that glitzy froo froo is worth putting up with 
> having every other thing you click offer to take your money to buy some 
> stupid new dongle.  It's a lot worse now than it was at the turn of the 
> century.  Or maybe five years of beer free software just spoiled me and made 
> me a cheap bastard.
>
> Either way...
>   
With the beta of flash 9, I have no audio sync problems any more. Also 
with all the right codecs and mplayer, real player and java, it's rare 
that my Linux box can't display a web page that the windows box can. It 
took a while to get it all ironed out though.







From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 30 05:27:53 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:27:53 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu KFA
In-Reply-To: <4595E9BF.8050900@sklinks.com>
References: <200612290120.26263.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<200612291942.24835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
	<4595E9BF.8050900@sklinks.com>
Message-ID: <200612300027.53408.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 11:23 pm, Vayu wrote:

> With the beta of flash 9, I have no audio sync problems any more. Also
> with all the right codecs and mplayer, real player and java, it's rare
> that my Linux box can't display a web page that the windows box can. It
> took a while to get it all ironed out though.

Haven't tried the new beta flash, true enough.  Flash is a pain in the ass 
anyway, because it doesn't talk to JACK, and everything else I use does.  I 
can juggle it, but it's irritating.

As far as things on Windows only, one thing at the top of my list is the 
stupid online videos from the Survivor TV show.  One of my users was bitch 
bitch bitch bitch bitching about those @#!%@#@#@#% videos, and I spent maybe 
a hundred hours dicking around trying to get them to work.  No dice.  I can't 
begin to remember everything I tried, but it was a lot.  That *was* before 
the new Helix/Real Player came out.  That was going to be my hope of 
eventually solving the problem, actually, but the user got over it, and 
doesn't care anymore, so neither do I.

Many music-related searches lead to content that only works with special 
plugins that there is no hope of ever seeing on Linux.  Probably a Finale 
and/or a Sibelius plugin.  I never bothered trying to get some frigged up 
thing with WINE or whatever going.

There are some 3D plugin things, and Google Keyhole or something or other that 
don't work under Linux either.  I'd have to spend a lot of time reeling off a 
list, but there are a number of problems this user had that I never could 
solve with any amount of hackerly endeavor.

I finally got that irritating bitch to switch to Windows and leave me alone.  
Good riddance.

I'm basically looking at a lot of the same stuff with some amusement, after 
struggling so fruitlessly for so long to get that stupid froo froo to work on 
Linux.  Who needs it anyway.  The web is a place for 13 years olds these 
days.  Somebody talked me into getting a Myspace account, but after a month 
or so, I just couldn't see any point.

I guess I'm a geezer.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sat Dec 30 05:34:37 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:34:37 -0500
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
	
Message-ID: <200612300034.37593.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Friday 29 December 2006 11:41 am, Derek Broughton wrote:

> It does, but it's nowhere near as simple as LILO.  Unfortunately.

Nothing ever is.  I never really have gotten comfortable with GRUB.  It's 
supposed to be all powerful and marvelously fantastabulous or something, but 
I can't figure out how to get any of the higher end capabilities to work.  
Sure you can just type some stuff at the boot thingie, if you can remember 
the syntax without an internet to refer to.  Bah.

I eventually gave in and succumbed to the relentless tide though, and switched 
my last box over to GRUB a long time ago.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 06:37:58 2006
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 08:37:58 +0200
Subject: OOo and smb
In-Reply-To: <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org>
References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org>		<45921253.201@gmail.com>
	<200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org>
Message-ID: <45960946.4060004@gmail.com>

Michael W. Holdeman wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote:
>> Chris Miller wrote:
>>> I wasn't aware it didn't work.  Are there any other more detailed
>>> symptoms you can give me?  So far I have two mysterious black boxes in
>>> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the
>>> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black
>>> backdrop).
>>>
>>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman  wrote:
>>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save files
>>>> on smb shares?
>>>>
>>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about
>> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in
>> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of
>> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem.
>>
>> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a
>> proper check on the boxes I have working.
>>
>> Sinclair
> 
> Sinclair,
> 
> Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't even 
> open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it will open 
> read only.
> 
> I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's home 
> directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any desktop in 
> the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I just add the 
> parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the various users homes? 
> I take it I would have to assign each user account on each desktop the same 
> UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow with kde to the appropriate 
> home upon login.
> 
> Mike
> 
Mike,
am afraid I wont be in office until 2 jan 2007... well actually feel 
good about that :-)
but one thing I can tell you - I have never managed to get linux box and 
  Win2003 server shares to work in fstab. I had to write a short script 
that runs on login for the users that mounts the share in question using 
something like (this is what I have to get to office to verify...):
mount -t cifs //ipnumber of server/shareonserver /mnt/whatever -o 
username=validuseronserver,passwd=passwordofuser

A bit crude but then it works r/w
If you search around on ubuntuforums.org you should find this info, I 
and others have had threads around it.

Sinclair



From linux_milano at yahoo.it  Sat Dec 30 09:13:30 2006
From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (pol)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:13:30 +0100
Subject: keyboard issue
References:  <200612292352.18793.kaj@haulrich.net>
Message-ID: 


Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> Maybe change the locale settings in 'System Settings' -->
> Personal --> Regional & Language  (KDE) ?  -  Restart X.
> 

I solved my problem by replacing LANG="en_US.UTF-8" with LANG=it_IT at euro
in the 2nd line of /etc/environment, before the section reserved to
localeconf.
I do not remember that line has been added by me. If it has been added by
the linux distribution installation program, then maybe it is something 
to be fixed.

--
Pol       




From linux_milano at yahoo.it  Sat Dec 30 09:13:30 2006
From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (pol)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:13:30 +0100
Subject: keyboard issue
References:  <200612292352.18793.kaj@haulrich.net>
Message-ID: 


Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> Maybe change the locale settings in 'System Settings' -->
> Personal --> Regional & Language  (KDE) ?  -  Restart X.
> 

I solved my problem by replacing LANG="en_US.UTF-8" with LANG=it_IT at euro
in the 2nd line of /etc/environment, before the section reserved to
localeconf.
I do not remember that line has been added by me. If it has been added by
the linux distribution installation program, then maybe it is something 
to be fixed.

--
Pol       




From doc.evans at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 17:51:12 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:51:12 -0700
Subject: Q: program to read sqlite2 database
In-Reply-To: <8j1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
References: <256f4e900612270941y5b481e72mdb1df175e53908d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45947EAC.2090405@gmail.com>
	
	<256f4e900612290747n22754bej77973762056e72ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<8j1g64-9um.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <256f4e900612300951m12a4844es701458501554a175@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/12/06, Derek Broughton  wrote:
> D. R. Evans wrote:
>
> > On 29/12/06, Leticia Hernández  wrote:
> >
> >> And from it's Wikipedia page [2]:
> >> "Since version 1.2x, SQLite Database Browser supports SQLite 3.x
> >> databases, but is no longer compatible with SQLite 2.x databases."
> >>
> >> Hope it helps.
> >
> > Sorry, it doesn't :-( I specifically need sqlite2 support.
>
> So?  Get version 1.1.
> --

I thought I had looked and it wasn't available... but now that I look
more carefully I see that in fact it is available. So I'll try it.
Thanks.

From doc.evans at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 18:01:55 2006
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:01:55 -0700
Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver
Message-ID: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com>

Please be gentle with me; I've never done this before...

In an attempt to get google earth to work properly, it looks like I
need to update the nvidia video driver for my e-GeForce 6200 (it's
currently version 1.0-8776, according to the nvidia-settings program).

I have followed the instructions at nvidia.com and downloaded the file:
  NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run

The instructions then say to run "sh
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run". But when I do that, the
installation program complains that I am running an X server.

I tried logging out and running the program from a console session,
but it still made the same complaint.

So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver?



From sniffy at rogers.com  Sat Dec 30 18:36:15 2006
From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -0500
Subject: Converting MP3 to WAV
Message-ID: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>

Hello all:

I have a few MP3s that I would like to burn onto a CD. However, I am having 
issues converting the MP3 to WAV/getting K3B to burn the CD. Whenever I try 
to drag the MP3 in K3B it says its an unsupported format. Playing MP3s works 
fine though.

thanks

-- chris



From 03taxi at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 19:14:08 2006
From: 03taxi at gmail.com (Michel Daggelinckx)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:14:08 +0100
Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4596BA80.1060102@gmail.com>

D. R. Evans schreef:
> Please be gentle with me; I've never done this before...
>
> In an attempt to get google earth to work properly, it looks like I
> need to update the nvidia video driver for my e-GeForce 6200 (it's
> currently version 1.0-8776, according to the nvidia-settings program).
>
> I have followed the instructions at nvidia.com and downloaded the file:
>   NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run
>
> The instructions then say to run "sh
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run". But when I do that, the
> installation program complains that I am running an X server.
>
> I tried logging out and running the program from a console session,
> but it still made the same complaint.
>
> So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver?
>
>   

chmod +x NVIDIA*
sudo init 3
sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run
sudo init 5


-- 
Video games don't affect kids,
I mean if Pac Man affected us as kids,
we'd all run around in a darkened room 
munching pills and listening to repetitive music. 
- Kristian Wilson, 
CEO at Nintendo Gaming Corporation Inc.
	




From obsidion at ihug.co.nz  Sat Dec 30 19:44:23 2006
From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:44:23 +1300
Subject: Converting MP3 to WAV
In-Reply-To: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>
References: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <200612310844.24090.obsidion@ihug.co.nz>

On Sunday 31 December 2006 07:36, Chris Gow wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> I have a few MP3s that I would like to burn onto a CD. However, I am having
> issues converting the MP3 to WAV/getting K3B to burn the CD. Whenever I try
> to drag the MP3 in K3B it says its an unsupported format. Playing MP3s
> works fine though.
>
> thanks
>
> -- chris


I think you probably need to Install libk3b2-mp3, though there is no reason 
you can't just put them on a data cdr as is.



From pgort at mac.com  Sat Dec 30 20:29:57 2006
From: pgort at mac.com (Peter Gort)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:29:57 +1100
Subject: DNS Serving form desktop
Message-ID: <223C16E5-BDB6-47F4-9D22-EC0A3EE14688@mac.com>

Hi All,

I've set up and old iMac 600 with Kubuntu 6.10, and after turning off  
text anti-aliasing, it seems quite reasonable.

I've got two goals in mind for this box, I need a DNS server in my  
little home-office network, and a spare computer for 8 year old.   
Accordingly I chose the desktop over the server install of Kubuntu.

So now:  what recommendations are there for running a DNS server on  
my box, bearing in mind that it I want it to start with the system  
and not be affected by junior logging in and out.  Also, if there  
exists a gui app for configuring it? (I've got a BIND config file on  
my Mac OS X Server if I need to grab it for a template, I just need  
DNS running on a separate box from the OSX Server).

Peter



From grumpypenguin at qwest.net  Sat Dec 30 22:40:34 2006
From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:40:34 -0700
Subject: Converting MP3 to WAV
In-Reply-To: <200612310844.24090.obsidion@ihug.co.nz>
References: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>
	<200612310844.24090.obsidion@ihug.co.nz>
Message-ID: <200612301540.34640.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>

On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:44, Rebel Lion wrote:
> On Sunday 31 December 2006 07:36, Chris Gow wrote:
> > Hello all:
> >
> > I have a few MP3s that I would like to burn onto a CD. However, I am
> > having issues converting the MP3 to WAV/getting K3B to burn the CD.
> > Whenever I try to drag the MP3 in K3B it says its an unsupported format.
> > Playing MP3s works fine though.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > -- chris
>
> I think you probably need to Install libk3b2-mp3, though there is no reason
> you can't just put them on a data cdr as is.
When you convert them back you will lose quality..but if you must
install Audacity import each .MP3 file export as .wav file
then burn them



From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Sat Dec 30 22:54:24 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:54:24 -0500
Subject: Converting MP3 to WAV
In-Reply-To: <200612301540.34640.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
References: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>
	<200612310844.24090.obsidion@ihug.co.nz>
	<200612301540.34640.grumpypenguin@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4596EE20.2010503@optonline.net>

Grumpy_Penguin wrote:

>On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:44, Rebel Lion wrote:
>  
>
>>On Sunday 31 December 2006 07:36, Chris Gow wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hello all:
>>>
>>>I have a few MP3s that I would like to burn onto a CD. However, I am
>>>having issues converting the MP3 to WAV/getting K3B to burn the CD.
>>>Whenever I try to drag the MP3 in K3B it says its an unsupported format.
>>>Playing MP3s works fine though.
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>-- chris
>>>      
>>>
>>I think you probably need to Install libk3b2-mp3, though there is no reason
>>you can't just put them on a data cdr as is.
>>    
>>
>When you convert them back you will lose quality..but if you must
>install Audacity import each .MP3 file export as .wav file
>then burn them
>
>  
>
http://www.mpg123.de/

 for i in *.mp3; do mpg123 -w `basename $i .mp3`.wav $i; done 

or

http://www.mp3dev.org/mp3/

for i in *.mp3; do lame --decode $i `basename $i .mp3`.wav; done

or

http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/

 for i in *.mp3; do lame --decode $i `basename $i .mp3`.wav; done



/tony




-- 
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Dec 31 00:14:09 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:14:09 +0200
Subject: Converting MP3 to WAV
In-Reply-To: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>
References: <200612301336.15861.sniffy@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <459700D1.2070704@mail.ee>

> I have a few MP3s that I would like to burn onto a CD. However, I am having 
> issues converting the MP3 to WAV/getting K3B to burn the CD. Whenever I try 
> to drag the MP3 in K3B it says its an unsupported format. Playing MP3s works 
> fine though.

you may also use graphical front-end programs like soundkonverter (in 
multiverse repository) for KDE or soundconverter (in universe 
repository) for Gnome:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install soundkonverter

or

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install soundconverter

But at first be sure, that you have enabled universe/multiverse 
repositories:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu

All necessary additional codecs will be installed as dependencies if you 
install soundkonverter or soundconverter. It seems like soundkonverter 
will install more codecs than soundconverter. You may look:

sudo apt-cache show soundkonverter
sudo apt-cache show soundconverter

... and compare dependencies.

MP3 will need program called lame and WAV will need program called wavpack:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install lame wavpack

But yes - K3b is able to create audio CD directly from *.mp3 files and 
therefore you don't need to convert them. K3b will anyway convert them 
into *.wav and then burn. For that you need to install MP3 decoder for K3b:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3

Perhaps you would like to use FLAC instead of WAV in future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flac

K3b has also ability to burn audio CD-s from *.flac files.
FLAC is good replacement for WAV.


Best Regards,
Edmund



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Dec 31 00:16:55 2006
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:16:55 +0200
Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45970177.1030202@mail.ee>

> So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia


Try also search using keyword "nvidia":
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=nvidia&titlesearch=Titles



From mariof2000 at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 31 02:35:12 2006
From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:35:12 -0500
Subject: how to burn wav files to audio CD
Message-ID: <459721E0.8070809@videotron.ca>

hello list

I am trying to make a  audio CD from . wav file with k3b and i does't 
seem to recognize my .wav or mp3 files

when i try to add files to audio project

what should I do to make this work

excuse my english

Thank you

mario







From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Sun Dec 31 02:47:46 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:47:46 -0500
Subject: how to burn wav files to audio CD
In-Reply-To: <459721E0.8070809@videotron.ca>
References: <459721E0.8070809@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <459724D2.5090000@optonline.net>

Mario Frechette wrote:

>hello list
>
>I am trying to make a  audio CD from . wav file with k3b and i does't 
>seem to recognize my .wav or mp3 files
>
>when i try to add files to audio project
>
>what should I do to make this work
>
>excuse my english
>
>Thank you
>
>mario
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
You´re English is fine, aside from capitalization and punctuation,
which are hardly necessary for these purposes anyway. (what´s your 
native language?)
You probably need to add the necessary libraries for .wav and .mp3 to K3b.
Open Adept, make sure you have universe and multiverse repos added.
Search for the relevant libraries and install.
That would be my guess.
K3b doesn´t include these by default/out of the box, as it were.

tony

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From mariof2000 at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 31 03:05:33 2006
From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:05:33 -0500
Subject: how to burn wav files to audio CD
Message-ID: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>

i have opened universe and multiuniverse 7 backports ..and updated but 
    i cant see wich librairies to update ?? 
    k3b still doesn't see wav files 
    mario





From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net  Sun Dec 31 03:30:08 2006
From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:30:08 -0500
Subject: how to burn wav files to audio CD
In-Reply-To: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>
References: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <45972EC0.2010306@optonline.net>

Mario Frechette wrote:

>i have opened universe and multiuniverse 7 backports ..and updated but 
>    i cant see wich librairies to update ?? 
>    k3b still doesn't see wav files 
>    mario
>
>
>
>  
>
libk3b2-mp3
hmmm...that takes care of mp3.
for wav...I think libwavpack0, but don´t quote me on that.
I should have said ¨open synaptic¨
easier to search and find what you need.

bon chance

tony

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From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec 31 04:36:15 2006
From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:36:15 -0500
Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source
In-Reply-To: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>
References: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <200612302336.15276.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>

I downloaded the latest KMyMoney tar.bz2 from sf.net.  I unarchived it to a 
new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make install.  
The program runs without errors.  I wish to turn it into a *.deb in order for 
it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager.  Can someone list out  
the command line steps for this?

Thanx

Larry Hartman



From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com  Sun Dec 31 06:31:01 2006
From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 01:31:01 -0500
Subject: how to burn wav files to audio CD
In-Reply-To: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>
References: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <200612310131.01452.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>

On Saturday 30 December 2006 10:05 pm, Mario Frechette wrote:
> i have opened universe and multiuniverse 7 backports ..and updated but
>     i cant see wich librairies to update ??
>     k3b still doesn't see wav files

Doesn't see .wav files, or doesn't see the particular files you're trying to 
burn?

I find that many files are "unsupported" or some other error message, and I 
have to re-save them in a different flavor of .wav format in order to placate 
K3B.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre 



From gnomefreak at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 11:15:40 2006
From: gnomefreak at gmail.com (John Vivirito)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:15:40 -0500
Subject: howto for updating NVIDIA driver
Message-ID: <45979BDC.3020101@gmail.com>

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> Please be gentle with me; I've never done this before...
> 
> In an attempt to get google earth to work properly, it looks like I
> need to update the nvidia video driver for my e-GeForce 6200 (it's
> currently version 1.0-8776, according to the nvidia-settings program).
> 
> I have followed the instructions at nvidia.com and downloaded the file:
>   NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run
> 
> The instructions then say to run "sh
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run". But when I do that, the
> installation program complains that I am running an X server.
> 
> I tried logging out and running the program from a console session,
> but it still made the same complaint.
> 
> So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver?
> 
start kubuntu normally than in terminal type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
than you will be dropped to a text login. log in and run that command.
- --
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From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 31 14:03:39 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:03:39 +0000
Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source
Message-ID: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk>

> I downloaded the latest KMyMoney tar.bz2 from sf.net.  I unarchived it to a 
> new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make install.  
> The program runs without errors.  I wish to turn it into a *.deb in order for 
> it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager.  Can someone list out  
> the command line steps for this?
> 
> Thanx
> 
> Larry Hartman
> 

1st. please don't hijack a thread, it makes the subject more difficult to follow.

2nd. Install the package 'checkinstall' (in universe)
then in the source directory (where you ran make), just run "sudo checkinstall make install"
That will make a .deb and install it with dpkg

This isn't the only way to make a .deb of a package, just google for debian packaging guide
Some projects include the ability to make debs in the Makefile, so 'make deb' could work.

Tez






From linux_milano at yahoo.it  Sun Dec 31 15:38:44 2006
From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (pol)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:38:44 +0100
Subject: bluetooth not working
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I cannot use the bluetooth device, that should be built-in in my hp tc4200
tablet laptop.
Nothing results as i ask for listing of Bluetooth devices:
    hcitool dev

Clicking on the kbluetooth applet yields: 'no working bluetooth adapter
found. Only local services will be displayed"


Any ideas?
Thank you for your help 
--
Pol

--- inc. 
Here included. the relevant output from system logs and commands:

      lsmod |grep hidp
       hidp                   34176  2
       l2cap                  27136  11 bnep,hidp,rfcomm
       bluetooth              53476  6 bnep,hidp,rfcomm,l2cap

      lsmod|grp  rfcomm
       rfcomm                 42260  3
       l2cap                  27136  11 bnep,hidp,rfcomm
       bluetooth              53476  6 bnep,hidp,rfcomm,l2cap


   dmesg | grp -i blue
      [17179637.764000] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.8
      [17179637.764000] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager
initialized
      [17179637.764000] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
      [17179637.952000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8
      [17179637.952000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
      [17179637.956000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
      [17179637.956000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
      [17179637.956000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7


----




From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec 31 17:29:31 2006
From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:29:31 -0500
Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source
In-Reply-To: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200612311229.31730.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>

1.  Oops, apologies, not intentional.

2.  Thanx.  I guessed there was a fairly simple way of doing this, but what I 
could find in the forums only discussed it in conjunction of adding projects 
to online repositories, etc--all I wanted was something for myself.

Larry


On Sunday 31 December 2006 09:03, Tez wrote:
> > I downloaded the latest KMyMoney tar.bz2 from sf.net.  I unarchived it to
> > a new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make
> > install. The program runs without errors.  I wish to turn it into a *.deb
> > in order for it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager.  Can
> > someone list out the command line steps for this?
> >
> > Thanx
> >
> > Larry Hartman
>
> 1st. please don't hijack a thread, it makes the subject more difficult to
> follow.
>
> 2nd. Install the package 'checkinstall' (in universe)
> then in the source directory (where you ran make), just run "sudo
> checkinstall make install" That will make a .deb and install it with dpkg
>
> This isn't the only way to make a .deb of a package, just google for debian
> packaging guide Some projects include the ability to make debs in the
> Makefile, so 'make deb' could work.
>
> Tez



From prbasmith at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 20:49:03 2006
From: prbasmith at gmail.com (Preston Smith)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:49:03 -0400
Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive
Message-ID: <4598223F.1010501@gmail.com>

Hi!

I have XP SP 2 on my laptop and would like to install Kubuntu.  Can I 
install it on my USB drive?  Where should I install Grub or a similar 
boot loader?

Happy New Year!

Thanks

Preston



From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 31 23:39:21 2006
From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:39:21 +0000
Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source
In-Reply-To: <200612311229.31730.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<200612311229.31730.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <45984A29.8030607@blueyonder.co.uk>

Larry Hartman wrote:
> 1.  Oops, apologies, not intentional.
>   
No problem, we all make mistakes :-)
> 2.  Thanx.  I guessed there was a fairly simple way of doing this, but what I 
> could find in the forums only discussed it in conjunction of adding projects 
> to online repositories, etc--all I wanted was something for myself.
>   
Like I said, there are quite a few ways, the way I said is good if you 
want a deb package that you are going to install anyway. But there are 
other ways too, each more complex than the last :-P but useful in their 
own ways
> Larry
>
>
>   
Tez





From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 31 20:15:49 2006
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:15:49 -0400
Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot
References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br>
	
	<200612300034.37593.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com>
Message-ID: 

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On Friday 29 December 2006 11:41 am, Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>> It does, but it's nowhere near as simple as LILO.  Unfortunately.
> 
> Nothing ever is.  I never really have gotten comfortable with GRUB.  It's
> supposed to be all powerful and marvelously fantastabulous or something,

Well, it's more powerful & versatile - I've long ago stopped using lilo,
because I'm far less likely to b0rk my boot setup on a kernel upgrade with
grub than I used to be with lilo (only really matters if you're
self-compiling kernels).  lilo has simplicity going for it :-)

> but I can't figure out how to get any of the higher end capabilities to
> work. Sure you can just type some stuff at the boot thingie, if you can
> remember
> the syntax without an internet to refer to.  Bah.

It only takes a year or two to get used to it!
-- 
derek