From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 1 00:30:35 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:30:35 -0500 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <45984A29.8030607@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311229.31730.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45984A29.8030607@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200612311930.36062.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> What order of steps should I take? ./configure make sudo make install sudo checkinstall make install I am wondering if i should do it in this fashion instead? ./configure make sudo checkinstall make install and skip the "sudo make install" step. Larry On Sunday 31 December 2006 18:39, Tez wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > > 1. Oops, apologies, not intentional. > > No problem, we all make mistakes :-) > > > 2. Thanx. I guessed there was a fairly simple way of doing this, but > > what I could find in the forums only discussed it in conjunction of > > adding projects to online repositories, etc--all I wanted was something > > for myself. > > Like I said, there are quite a few ways, the way I said is good if you > want a deb package that you are going to install anyway. But there are > other ways too, each more complex than the last :-P but useful in their > own ways > > > Larry > > Tez From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 1 00:35:17 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 00:35:17 +0000 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200612311930.36062.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311229.31730.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45984A29.8030607@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311930.36062.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <45985745.9050500@blueyonder.co.uk> Larry Hartman wrote: > What order of steps should I take? > > ./configure > make > sudo make install > sudo checkinstall make install > > I am wondering if i should do it in this fashion instead? > > ./configure > make > sudo checkinstall make install > > and skip the "sudo make install" step. > > > Larry > > Yes, you're right, sorry I didn't explain it well. ./configure make sudo checkinstall make install is the correct procedure (or at least quicker) Tez From claydoh at claydoh.com Mon Jan 1 00:40:51 2007 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:51 -0500 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200612311930.36062.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk> <45984A29.8030607@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311930.36062.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200612311941.04669.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Sunday 31 December 2006 7:30 pm, Larry Hartman wrote: > What order of steps should I take? > > ./configure > make > sudo make install > sudo checkinstall make install > > I am wondering if i should do it in this fashion instead? > > ./configure > make > sudo checkinstall make install > > and skip the "sudo make install" step. > > > Larry ./confgure make sudo checkinstall that's all you need, though sometimes ./configure needs some options, so it is a good idea to first run ./configure --help to see if there are any options you need/want to set once you get comfortable with the process -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps could you drop some feedback here into this list :) If you have account in Launchpad, then you can write/edit articles at help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com Log in/register at https://launchpad.net/+login Some other links, what might be useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootingFromUSB https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbFlashDrives https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GPGKeyOnUSBDrive https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/install/ https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/ - Ubuntu 6.10 Best Regards, Edmund From dan_axtell at yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 01:49:31 2007 From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:49:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver In-Reply-To: <4596BA80.1060102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15418.46767.qm@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> chmod +x NVIDIA* sudo init 3 sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run sudo init 5 OK, I've got a recent Egdy install, plus a few packages. Then I download the NVida drives. I do sudo init 3, but that doesn't seem to shutdown X. So I try another suggestion and shutdown KDM. I run the Nvidia script, every thing goes OK. I do startx and everything seems fine. The trouble starts when I go to log out. There's no option to reboot, shutdown, etc. only "end session". I get a ksmserver crashed error and I'm back in console mode with message about locking in ~/.Xauthority. When I reboot I end up in console mode. ps shows kdm is running but I have no idea how to get to back to X. If I shutdown kdm and run 'startx' I get an error from the Nvidia driver that it failed to initialize the kernel module. If I go through the Nvidia driver install script again, I'm able to start X manually, but I'm back where I started. How do I get the machine to boot into X with the Kde login? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 1 03:51:42 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:51:42 -0500 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200612311943.37244.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311941.04669.claydoh@claydoh.com> <200612311943.37244.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <200612312251.42451.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> thanx for clarification Looks all too easy, undoubtedly some widget will go haywire in my attempt (according to statistics garnished from personal experience) and as a result I will spend some hours troubleshooting to realize that I should have turned on one of those pesky options I didnt checkout when I first begun. Just a tad sarcastic and cynical. Happy New Years (depending on which time zone your located in). Larry On Sunday 31 December 2006 19:43, claydoh wrote: > On Sunday 31 December 2006 7:40 pm, claydoh wrote: > > ./confgure > > make > > sudo checkinstall > > > > that's all you need, though sometimes ./configure needs some options, so > > it is a good idea to first run > > > > ./configure --help > > to see if there are any options you need/want to set once you get > > comfortable with the process > > Replying to my self :) > checkinstall both builds the package and installs it for you From dan_axtell at yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 04:32:03 2007 From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:32:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Edgy and mysql 5.0 -- server won't run Message-ID: <831951.35770.qm@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I installed MySQL server 5.024a-9 via adept, along with related packages. Whenever I try to start the server I get this error in syslog mysqld got signal 4; Dec 31 23:27:54 ithilien mysqld[8696]: This could be because you hit a bug. It is also possible that this binary Dec 31 23:27:54 ithilien mysqld[8696]: or one of the libraries it was linked against is corrupt, improperly built, Dec 31 23:27:54 ithilien mysqld[8696]: or misconfigured. This error can also be caused by malfunctioning hardware. Dec 31 23:27:54 ithilien mysqld[8696]: We will try our best to scrape up some info that will hopefully help diagnose Dec 31 23:27:54 ithilien mysqld[8696]: the problem, but since we have already crashed, something is definitely wrong Dec 31 23:27:54 ithilien mysqld[8696]: and this may fail. This was after I finally got Nvidia drivers to run; I don't suppose that could have anything to do with it? Should I be getting MySQL binaries straight from MySQL rather than via ubuntu's package management system? Thanks for any input. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 1 03:51:42 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:51:42 -0500 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200612311943.37244.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311941.04669.claydoh@claydoh.com> <200612311943.37244.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <200612312251.42451.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> thanx for clarification Looks all too easy, undoubtedly some widget will go haywire in my attempt (according to statistics garnished from personal experience) and as a result I will spend some hours troubleshooting to realize that I should have turned on one of those pesky options I didnt checkout when I first begun. Just a tad sarcastic and cynical. Happy New Years (depending on which time zone your located in). Larry On Sunday 31 December 2006 19:43, claydoh wrote: > On Sunday 31 December 2006 7:40 pm, claydoh wrote: > > ./confgure > > make > > sudo checkinstall > > > > that's all you need, though sometimes ./configure needs some options, so > > it is a good idea to first run > > > > ./configure --help > > to see if there are any options you need/want to set once you get > > comfortable with the process > > Replying to my self :) > checkinstall both builds the package and installs it for you From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com Mon Jan 1 05:41:09 2007 From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:41:09 +0000 Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive In-Reply-To: <4598223F.1010501@gmail.com> References: <4598223F.1010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Preston Smith wrote: > Hi! > > I have XP SP 2 on my laptop and would like to install Kubuntu. Can I > install it on my USB drive? Where should I install Grub or a similar > boot loader? do you mean a hard drive which is connected to the PC using the USB cable, or a usb flash drive (memory stick)? -- ac From golfbuf at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 14:36:12 2007 From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:12 -0500 Subject: Stickykeys not sticky In-Reply-To: <880dece00612290231o7232ac1cve74de6abebb06f4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00612160211w181d3ff8pb1d44b8a28837694@mail.gmail.com> <835a7820612261955n5d09a4d7mbda56eca1de4d1e4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612290231o7232ac1cve74de6abebb06f4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <835a7820701010636q36206f1fvcadfe6f2c32c1bb5@mail.gmail.com> On 12/29/06, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Yes, I'm on KDE 3.5.5. And I've got nothing that will disable them. > Note that I've no problem with the sticky keys being disabled in the > middle of work, rather at startup. And yes, the box IS checked for > sticky keys, they however do not function. Unchecking and rechecking > the box, then resaving the config, restores stickykeys. It's better here, as I said. I haven't had to select / unselect for a weeks now. FWIW ..I did creat a new ~/.kde when upgrading to kde-3.5.5. Also, I made this change to xorg.conf: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" # Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:win_switch" EndSection Not sure if either will make a difference in your case. regards, From golfbuf at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 14:42:38 2007 From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:42:38 -0500 Subject: usb sl-modem driving me nuts In-Reply-To: <4587C016.1000504@gmail.com> References: <4587C016.1000504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <835a7820701010642v64729723la3739e3fba9e7370@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/06, O. Sinclair wrote: > I am trying to install a usb modem that uses the Smartlink sl-modem > drivers (they actually provide them though compiling them go bust). works fine here .. you probably are using an obsolete version of slmodem. Check out http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/ Also, the linmodems.org mailing list is a good resource for help. regards, From pvossen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 17:00:15 2007 From: pvossen at yahoo.com (Patrick Vossen) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:00:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Automattix2 problems Message-ID: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Kubuntu users, I did an additional system update to Edgy and lost my sound. To make a long story short I couldn't remedy it after a few suggested solutions. That being the case I attempted to reformat and install Ubuntu again. It didn't work. No problem I installed Kubuntu Edgy. It worked fine and I had sound again. Ok, now to my problem. In my attempt to reinstall former programs I tried using EasyUbuntu which had been successful before. Well, it didn't install. So I went to Automattix2, it installed successfully. I had problems running Automatti2 and it froze up. Automattix2 locked up at Sun Java RE 2 and then after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, it keeps on recycling that Sun Java RE and now the package managers both Synaptic and Adept won't install anything. They keep on referring to an upgrade to Sun Java RE which jams the system. I think I have two options. Reinstall Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate suggestions? Appreciate anything guys and gals. Patrick Vossen North Platte, NE USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan_axtell at yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 21:00:46 2007 From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:00:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Edgy and mysql 5.0 -- server won't run In-Reply-To: <831951.35770.qm@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <288225.9297.qm@web33815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Answering my own question here, but I found that the statically linked MySQL binaries from mysql.com work fine with 64-bit Edgy. The dynamicaly linked ones fail because they want libstc++ 5, and Edgy uses 6, which is sufficiently different to break MySQL. I'm still not sure why the MySQL 5.0 in the distribution crashes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 21:05:59 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:05:59 +0200 Subject: Stickykeys not sticky In-Reply-To: <835a7820701010636q36206f1fvcadfe6f2c32c1bb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00612160211w181d3ff8pb1d44b8a28837694@mail.gmail.com> <835a7820612261955n5d09a4d7mbda56eca1de4d1e4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612290231o7232ac1cve74de6abebb06f4c@mail.gmail.com> <835a7820701010636q36206f1fvcadfe6f2c32c1bb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701011305i696b12fbq861fe5360edd0ccb@mail.gmail.com> On 01/01/07, golfer wrote: > On 12/29/06, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Yes, I'm on KDE 3.5.5. And I've got nothing that will disable them. > > Note that I've no problem with the sticky keys being disabled in the > > middle of work, rather at startup. And yes, the box IS checked for > > sticky keys, they however do not function. Unchecking and rechecking > > the box, then resaving the config, restores stickykeys. > > It's better here, as I said. I haven't had to select / unselect for a weeks now. > > FWIW ..I did creat a new ~/.kde when upgrading to kde-3.5.5. > > Also, I made this change to xorg.conf: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Generic Keyboard" > Driver "kbd" > Option "CoreKeyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xorg" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > # Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" > Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:win_switch" > EndSection > > Not sure if either will make a difference in your case. > > regards, > Thanks. This is a KDE issue, however, not an X issue, as evidenced by the fact that in terminals 1-6 I don't have sticky keys. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/602/abstract_rude.php http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/how_can_i_be_safe_online.html From jjesse at iserv.net Mon Jan 1 21:08:58 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:08:58 -0500 Subject: Edgy and mysql 5.0 -- server won't run In-Reply-To: <288225.9297.qm@web33815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <288225.9297.qm@web33815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds like a bug would need to be filed about that then? ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Axtell To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Edgy and mysql 5.0 -- server won't run Answering my own question here, but I found that the statically linked MySQL binaries from mysql.com work fine with 64-bit Edgy. The dynamicaly linked ones fail because they want libstc++ 5, and Edgy uses 6, which is sufficiently different to break MySQL. I'm still not sure why the MySQL 5.0 in the distribution crashes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 21:46:07 2007 From: suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com (suleiman mostamandy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:46:07 +0300 Subject: Which version of kubuntu Message-ID: I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo si-1520 core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should choose. please help me kind people. Thanks. Best regards. 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Good luck From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Jan 1 22:05:11 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:05:11 -0700 Subject: Which version of kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701011505.11920.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 01 January 2007 14:46, suleiman mostamandy wrote: > I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo si-1520 > core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should choose. please > help me kind people. > Thanks. > Best regards. Edgy 386 is a safe bet Fujitsu's are good solid machines mine died after a year my fault they fixed it and upgraded it at no charge didn't ask any questions about Linux on it instead of Win$ux refreshing attitude will probably buy another > > Suleiman Mostamandy > mailto:suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com From xurxo13 at terra.es Mon Jan 1 22:18:05 2007 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:18:05 +0100 Subject: Which version of kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701011505.11920.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200701011505.11920.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1167689885.5188.5.camel@D4L> 2007-01-01 (月) の 15:05 -0700 に Grumpy_Penguin さんは書きました: > On Monday 01 January 2007 14:46, suleiman mostamandy wrote: > > I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo si-1520 > > core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should choose. please > > help me kind people. > > Thanks. > > Best regards. > Edgy 386 is a safe bet > Fujitsu's are good solid machines mine died after a year my fault > they fixed it and upgraded it at no charge didn't ask any questions about > Linux on it instead of Win$ux refreshing attitude will probably buy another I have problems with my works amilo pro 2040 (not sure about the model number). Sound stops working after i come back from suspend to ram. It worked on dapper though. It has to do with the intel soundcard but i was hoping next kernel update will fix it. From suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 22:27:57 2007 From: suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com (suleiman mostamandy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 01:27:57 +0300 Subject: Which version of kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701011505.11920.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200701011505.11920.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: 2007/1/2, Grumpy_Penguin : > > On Monday 01 January 2007 14:46, suleiman mostamandy wrote: > > I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo si-1520 > > core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should choose. > please > > help me kind people. > > Thanks. > > Best regards. > Edgy 386 is a safe bet > Fujitsu's are good solid machines mine died after a year my fault > they fixed it and upgraded it at no charge didn't ask any questions about > Linux on it instead of Win$ux refreshing attitude will probably buy > another > > > > > Suleiman Mostamandy > > mailto:suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users which PC 64bit or 32bit should i choose. I think that my cpu Intel Core 2 duo T5600 is 64 bit What is the diffirent between dapper and edgy Thanks Best regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From markwarner1954 at att.net Mon Jan 1 23:46:06 2007 From: markwarner1954 at att.net (Mark Warner) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:46:06 -0500 Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive References: <4598223F.1010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Preston Smith wrote: > > I have XP SP 2 on my laptop and would like to install Kubuntu. Can I > install it on my USB drive? Where should I install Grub or a similar > boot loader? Assuming a usb connected hard drive (as opposed to a thumb/flash drive), the trick is to have the bios set to boot from the usb drive first. During the install, install grub to the mbr of the usb drive, not the main hard drive. Then, to boot to Linux, just make sure the usb drive is plugged in and powered up before starting the machine. I believe this amount of control over the grub installation would require using the Alternate CD instead of the Desktop (Live) CD. -- Mark Warner lose .inhibitions when replying From brymelvin at melvinart.com Tue Jan 2 02:27:29 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:27:29 -0700 Subject: DNS Serving form desktop In-Reply-To: <223C16E5-BDB6-47F4-9D22-EC0A3EE14688@mac.com> References: <223C16E5-BDB6-47F4-9D22-EC0A3EE14688@mac.com> Message-ID: <1167704849.20365.48.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 07:29 +1100, Peter Gort wrote: > Hi All, > > I've set up and old iMac 600 with Kubuntu 6.10, and after turning off > text anti-aliasing, it seems quite reasonable. > > I've got two goals in mind for this box, I need a DNS server in my > little home-office network, and a spare computer for 8 year old. > Accordingly I chose the desktop over the server install of Kubuntu. > > So now: what recommendations are there for running a DNS server on > my box, bearing in mind that it I want it to start with the system > and not be affected by junior logging in and out. Also, if there > exists a gui app for configuring it? (I've got a BIND config file on > my Mac OS X Server if I need to grab it for a template, I just need > DNS running on a separate box from the OSX Server). > > Peter > I have a hard time trying to figure why to bother with DNS on a home network. I have a WORK network/home use also /network all together 7 machines plus router switch etc. The only nameserver use is internet on a local coop WLAN accessing the internet. Locally it is simpler to use a Hosts list. Ubuntu does this easiest it seems (gnome) we have Ubuntu+Kubuntu desktop on our machines Just add the hosts and fixed IPs 192.168... We had some problems writing to files with both KDE and GNOME so we stick to the original Gnome utilities here. We use DHCP for wireless accesses of course, so they won't be in the hosts list. instead of setting up a full nameserver for our network I have the most used machine set up as a WINS server in SAMBA. which helps. Despite no windows machines we have found Samba most useful. Next time you do an install aimed at using it as a server try doing a server install, then command line apt or aptitude etc install Kubuntu Desktop. I really don't see the need for DHCP/DNS on a small network. Think <10 machines is simpler to use fixed addresses except for whatever machines are wireless. Not sure your 8 year old will be satisfied with this setup BTW my grandkids need to access stuff for school (8 and 11) and like to access the Yahoo kids etc. The GPLflash available for the imac isn't up to mapping kids games etc.(they're using ibooks with 606.1) for now. I just put surplus i86 machines together for them to overcome this deficiency. I also added crossover and MSOffice so that stuff sent home from school works right every time. Using OO.org isn't worth screwing up their grades because formatting doesn't carry over. Bryann From jferrando at netplc.com Tue Jan 2 06:19:40 2007 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 07:19:40 +0100 Subject: DNS Serving form desktop In-Reply-To: <1167704849.20365.48.camel@localhost> References: <223C16E5-BDB6-47F4-9D22-EC0A3EE14688@mac.com> <1167704849.20365.48.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4599F97C.4050508@netplc.com> Hi Peter, I use DNS server (local caching), DHCP and FIREWALL (iptables script) in ubuntu dapper for my local network at home and the network of my company. I edit the scripts with vim or any other editor. I had some time learning how to configure them 2 years ago, but it was worth the time. If you need them, please mail me and I will send you all. bryann escribió: > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 07:29 +1100, Peter Gort wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I've set up and old iMac 600 with Kubuntu 6.10, and after turning off >> text anti-aliasing, it seems quite reasonable. >> >> I've got two goals in mind for this box, I need a DNS server in my >> little home-office network, and a spare computer for 8 year old. >> Accordingly I chose the desktop over the server install of Kubuntu. >> >> So now: what recommendations are there for running a DNS server on >> my box, bearing in mind that it I want it to start with the system >> and not be affected by junior logging in and out. Also, if there >> exists a gui app for configuring it? (I've got a BIND config file on >> my Mac OS X Server if I need to grab it for a template, I just need >> DNS running on a separate box from the OSX Server). >> >> Peter >> >> > I have a hard time trying to figure why to bother with DNS on a home > network. I have a WORK network/home use also /network all together 7 > machines plus router switch etc. > The only nameserver use is internet on a local coop WLAN accessing the > internet. > > Locally it is simpler to use a Hosts list. > Ubuntu does this easiest it seems (gnome) we have Ubuntu+Kubuntu desktop > on our machines Just add the hosts and fixed IPs 192.168... We had some > problems writing to files with both KDE and GNOME so we stick to the > original Gnome utilities here. > > We use DHCP for wireless accesses of course, so they won't be in the > hosts list. instead of setting up a full nameserver for our network I > have the most used machine set up as a WINS server in SAMBA. which > helps. Despite no windows machines we have found Samba most useful. > > Next time you do an install aimed at using it as a server try doing a > server install, then command line apt or aptitude etc install Kubuntu > Desktop. > > I really don't see the need for DHCP/DNS on a small network. Think <10 > machines is simpler to use fixed addresses except for whatever machines > are wireless. > > Not sure your 8 year old will be satisfied with this setup BTW my > grandkids need to access stuff for school (8 and 11) and like to access > the Yahoo kids etc. The GPLflash available for the imac isn't up to > mapping kids games etc.(they're using ibooks with 606.1) for now. > > I just put surplus i86 machines together for them to overcome this > deficiency. I also added crossover and MSOffice so that stuff sent home > from school works right every time. Using OO.org isn't worth screwing up > their grades because formatting doesn't carry over. > > Bryann > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 07:59:04 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:59:04 +0200 Subject: usb sl-modem driving me nuts In-Reply-To: <835a7820701010642v64729723la3739e3fba9e7370@mail.gmail.com> References: <4587C016.1000504@gmail.com> <835a7820701010642v64729723la3739e3fba9e7370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459A10C8.9000803@gmail.com> golfer wrote: > On 12/19/06, O. Sinclair wrote: >> I am trying to install a usb modem that uses the Smartlink sl-modem >> drivers (they actually provide them though compiling them go bust). > > works fine here .. you probably are using an obsolete version of > slmodem. Check out > http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/ > > Also, the linmodems.org mailing list is a good resource for help. > > regards, > Thanks for the link, in the end I gave up ans swapped to hw-modem using serial port. I think part of the problem is that SL-modem was actually installed and working with an internal modem that "died" one day. But still kppp refuses to work, I had to swap to wvdial instead. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 09:27:49 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:27:49 +0200 Subject: Which version of kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459A2595.4060202@gmail.com> suleiman mostamandy wrote: > I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo si-1520 > core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should choose. > please help me kind people. > Thanks. > Best regards. > > Suleiman Mostamandy mailto:suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com > I would go Dapper unless there is something you think you absolutely need from Edgy (like better dial-up modem support). Only downside is you will have to first install, once done install a kernel for smp-support if you want to get the best out of your CPU. Not difficult but a bit time-consuming. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 10:28:59 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:28:59 +0200 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <45921253.201@gmail.com> <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Chris Miller wrote: >>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed >>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes in >>> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the >>> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black >>> backdrop). >>> >>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save files >>>> on smb shares? >>>> >>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? >>>> >>>> Mike >> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about >> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in >> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of >> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. >> >> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a >> proper check on the boxes I have working. >> >> Sinclair > > Sinclair, > > Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't even > open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it will open > read only. > > I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's home > directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any desktop in > the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I just add the > parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the various users homes? > I take it I would have to assign each user account on each desktop the same > UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow with kde to the appropriate > home upon login. > > Mike > Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, fmask=0111,dmask=0000' then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't remember at this moment. Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to mount their shares. Sinclair From almilis at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 11:27:38 2007 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:27:38 +0700 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance Message-ID: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> 1. USB storage problem I have already fixed my USB stick twice by using M$ disk tools, reclaiming hundreds(!) of megabytes diskspace! (See also bug 61946 https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 ) 2. K3b does not like "Nero" (?) Can not do multi-sessions with k3b, if the previous session was burned with Nero. Solution: back to M$ Nero (this is bug #1 :). 3. Can not install Grub on previous Grub installation We have to clean the previous grub first before we can do a clean installation. -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Jan 2 12:44:32 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:44:32 +1100 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87irfpionj.fsf@rimspace.net> "Ali Milis" writes: > 1. USB storage problem > > I have already fixed my USB stick twice by using M$ > disk tools, reclaiming hundreds(!) of megabytes > diskspace! (See also bug 61946 > https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 ) You should also be able to fix the file system damage under Ubuntu with the command: sudo umount /media/my-usb-stick sudo fsck.vfat /dev/disk/by-label/my-usb-stick See the manual page for fsck.vfat(8) for details, since some of the options are doubtless relevant to you. > 2. K3b does not like "Nero" (?) > > Can not do multi-sessions with k3b, if the previous session was burned > with Nero. Solution: back to M$ Nero (this is bug #1 :). You might try alternative burning software -- cdrecord or cdrdao, depending on which you were using. This could be a fault with one of them. Alternately report this, since it should (theoretically) be possible to do this, as I understand things. > 3. Can not install Grub on previous Grub installation > > We have to clean the previous grub first before we can > do a clean installation. Strange -- you should report this as well. It worked for me(tm) when I upgraded this laptop, and should just work, so definitely a bug. Don't forget to include the error messages, including the fault code GRUB reported after the failed install. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 14:14:05 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:14:05 +0200 Subject: Not reading 1GB XD card Message-ID: <880dece00701020614g3f8236f9j71ad5ce76fdf0bb1@mail.gmail.com> I've a Fuji 5500 that uses XD picture cards. When I place a card in my card reader I can browse it in Konqi under /media/usbdisk. I can see the thumbnails, but cannot open the pictures. I've tried opening them in Konqueror, Gimp, and KolourPaint. Also, when I copy the pictures, the pictures on the disk are only 32 KB in size. On the card they were over a meg each. The new pictures display as thumbnails, but when I try to open them I get a black image that is 1600*1200 pixels in size. What is wrong, and how can I correct this? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/xss.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/95/bush.html From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 1 20:36:10 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:10 -0400 Subject: Automattix2 problems References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Patrick Vossen wrote: > I did an additional system update to Edgy and lost my sound. > To make a long story short I couldn't remedy it after a > few suggested solutions. That being the case I attempted > to reformat and install Ubuntu again. It didn't work. No surprise. Sorry, but Automatix is _known_ not to play well with Ubuntu. > after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, dpkg? > I think I have two options. Reinstall > Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, > but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate > suggestions? You've b0rked apt by using automatix, so you need to fix it by removing automatix. From diiar at yahoo.com Tue Jan 2 15:25:29 2007 From: diiar at yahoo.com (nutchanat sattayakawee) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:25:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: can't play wmv files Message-ID: <173212.20532.qm@web60719.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a problem with playing .wmv files. Before, I could play it. I don't know what's wrong now. Whenever, I tried to open it with Kaffeine, it creashed. If I tried mplayer, it said error to initialize video output device. Another problem also annoys me. Why can't I play the plugin windows media video in konqueror? I mean on the website. It just doesn't run. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance. Diiar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 2 15:45:29 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ali Milis wrote: > 1. USB storage problem > > I have already fixed my USB stick twice by using M$ > disk tools, reclaiming hundreds(!) of megabytes > diskspace! (See also bug 61946 > https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 ) That doesn't look related. > > 2. K3b does not like "Nero" (?) > > Can not do multi-sessions with k3b, if the previous session > was burned with Nero. Solution: back to M$ Nero (this is bug #1 :). I'm not at all certain you should expect to be able to burn multi-sessions with either different hardware _or_ software... > > 3. Can not install Grub on previous Grub installation > > We have to clean the previous grub first before we can > do a clean installation. Without any details, this is just a rant. Why not start 3 threads, with each of these problems, and give us a detailed explanation of your problems? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 2 15:37:50 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:37:50 -0400 Subject: Which version of kubuntu References: <200701011505.11920.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <1167689885.5188.5.camel@D4L> Message-ID: Xurxo F. wrote: > 2007-01-01 (?) ? 15:05 -0700 ? Grumpy_Penguin ????????: >> On Monday 01 January 2007 14:46, suleiman mostamandy wrote: >> > I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo >> > si-1520 core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should >> > choose. please help me kind people. >> > Thanks. >> > Best regards. >> Edgy 386 is a safe bet >> Fujitsu's are good solid machines mine died after a year my fault >> they fixed it and upgraded it at no charge didn't ask any questions about >> Linux on it instead of Win$ux refreshing attitude will probably buy >> another > > I have problems with my works amilo pro 2040 (not sure about the model > number). Sound stops working after i come back from suspend to ram. It > worked on dapper though. It has to do with the intel soundcard but i was > hoping next kernel update will fix it. Don't count on it. Sometimes my sound (also intel) _only_ works after a suspend/resume sequence. Most times it doesn't, and it just isn't worth the trouble to me to hunt it down. I did fresh installs twice just before Christmas - the first time, I initially had sound. The second time, I didn't... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 2 15:39:43 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:39:43 -0400 Subject: Which version of kubuntu References: <459A2595.4060202@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair wrote: > suleiman mostamandy wrote: >> I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop *fujitsu-siemens amilo si-1520 >> core 2 duo*. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should choose. >> please help me kind people. >> Thanks. >> Best regards. >> >> Suleiman Mostamandy >> mailto:suleiman.mostamandy at gmail.com >> > I would go Dapper unless there is something you think you absolutely > need from Edgy (like better dial-up modem support). Only downside is you > will have to first install, once done install a kernel for smp-support > if you want to get the best out of your CPU. Not difficult but a bit > time-consuming. Only time-consuming if you don't have a high-speed internet connection, as the kernel is available precompiled, but that itself would seem to be enough reason to go with Edgy, which is perfectly fine - and more advanced. -- derek From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com Tue Jan 2 16:46:07 2007 From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:46:07 +0000 Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive In-Reply-To: References: <4598223F.1010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mark Warner wrote: > Preston Smith wrote: >> >> I have XP SP 2 on my laptop and would like to install Kubuntu. Can I >> install it on my USB drive? Where should I install Grub or a similar >> boot loader? > > Assuming a usb connected hard drive (as opposed to a thumb/flash drive), > the trick is to have the bios set to boot from the usb drive first. > During the install, install grub to the mbr of the usb drive, not the > main hard drive. Then, to boot to Linux, just make sure the usb drive is > plugged in and powered up before starting the machine. > > I believe this amount of control over the grub installation would > require using the Alternate CD instead of the Desktop (Live) CD. > Using a live CD (Desktop) and choosing manual install, it is possible to create and use a separate boot partition. I am not sure if this means the mbr would be used on the usb drive though? -- ac From dan_axtell at yahoo.com Tue Jan 2 17:41:07 2007 From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:41:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Edgy and mysql 5.0 -- server won't run In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070102174107.57584.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jonathan Jesse wrote: Sounds like a bug would need to be filed about that then? I would like to, went to the kubuntu.org page, and couldn't really figure out how to post a bug. Pathetic, I know, but it was easier to find a work-around than to figure out how to post a bug report. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 19:07:13 2007 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:07:13 -0600 Subject: Has X changed? Screen Flicker Problems In-Reply-To: <200612241236.01594.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200612241236.01594.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0701021107m10192a08v350e3452692deec5@mail.gmail.com> On 12/24/06, Robert Tilley wrote: > Have there been any changes to Xorg lately that could have introduced this > change? Before, during a Kubuntu install, everything would be stable and > now, even booting off the install CD for a fresh install, my screen in Linux > is unstable. I didn't see a reply to this thread (though I noticed you posted more than once)... I have an old Mac running Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper LTS) Xubuntu/Kubuntu/Ubuntu (right now using KDE more than Xfce). IN ANY case... yes, there must have been an update to xorg sometime in the last month because my screen resolution was askew after a reboot last week. (Normally I go weeks without a reboot so I don't have any idea when the update happened. I shut down due to anticipated thunderstorms.) Fortunately all was completely corrected by going to a virtual terminal and using the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and accepting all the defaults. Now all is fine on mine. (If it hadn't been, the reconfigure process saves any customized xorg.conf file with a date so it's easy to restore.) As for a change that would have affected booting from the CD, Maybe you need to reset the parameter memory in your display -- maybe it's hanging on to a less-than-optimal default setting. From fairless at ieee.org Tue Jan 2 19:38:46 2007 From: fairless at ieee.org (Gayle Lee Fairless) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:38:46 -0600 Subject: smp kernels Message-ID: <459AB4C6.7060603@ieee.org> Which kernels are smp? I have a Pentium 4 Prescott on a socket 478 motherboard (ASUS). I have LiveCD's for both Dapper Drake 6.06 LTS and Edgy 6.10. Can you choose which partition on which to install? (I have Windows XP Pro on the first partition.) From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 19:44:03 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:44:03 -0600 Subject: smp kernels In-Reply-To: <459AB4C6.7060603@ieee.org> References: <459AB4C6.7060603@ieee.org> Message-ID: yes you can. it will walk you through the install process and if you are familiar with qtparted you will know what to do as far as selecting a partition. as for the smp kernels, i overlooked this during my install, but (k)ubuntu identifies it at as smp. so i'm not sure if they use separate kernels as i did not see any when i installed kubuntu. On 1/2/07, Gayle Lee Fairless wrote: > > Which kernels are smp? I have a Pentium 4 Prescott on a socket 478 > motherboard (ASUS). I have LiveCD's for both Dapper Drake 6.06 LTS and > Edgy 6.10. Can you choose which partition on which to install? (I have > Windows XP Pro on the first partition.) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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K3b does not like "Nero" (?) > > Can not do multi-sessions with k3b, if the previous session > was burned with Nero. Solution: back to M$ Nero (this is bug #1 :). If you have a registered copy of Nero windows, download NeroLinux. It is not open source, not free, and has a very clunky interface, but I have found that it does things well that k3b refuses to do. First I try k3b, and if that doesn't work, I use NeroLinux. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mp3s on CDR don't play on all standard CD players. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 20:11:06 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:11:06 -0600 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701021502.47856.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701021502.47856.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: what is one of those annoyances? On 1/2/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 06:27, Ali Milis wrote: > > 2. K3b does not like "Nero" (?) > > > > Can not do multi-sessions with k3b, if the previous session > > was burned with Nero. Solution: back to M$ Nero (this is bug #1 :). > > If you have a registered copy of Nero windows, download NeroLinux. It is > not > open source, not free, and has a very clunky interface, but I have found > that > it does things well that k3b refuses to do. > > First I try k3b, and if that doesn't work, I use NeroLinux. > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you must convert, save your original mp3 as suggested to avoid further degradation if you convert again. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From scarselli at faunalia.it Tue Jan 2 20:13:16 2007 From: scarselli at faunalia.it (Daniele Scarselli) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:13:16 +0100 Subject: nvidia settings Message-ID: <459ABCDC.10302@faunalia.it> I've a problem with my Nvidia Ge-force. Every time I reboot my system the settings of my graphic card reset and I have to relaunch the nvidia-settings. The results of a shel is the follow: ERROR: Error parsing configuration file '/home/daniele/.nvidia-settings-rc' on line 33: 'casa:0.0/RedBrightness=0.000000' (Trailing garbage). X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 157 Major opcode: 146 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 157 Major opcode: 146 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device Any ideas? Thanks Daniele -- Daniele Scarselli email+jabber: scarselli at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Cell: (+39) 348-7044067 Tel+Fax: (+39) 0587-213742 Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 2 20:16:29 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:16:29 -0500 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200612302336.15276.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca> <200612302336.15276.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701021516.31011.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 December 2006 23:36, Larry Hartman wrote: > I downloaded the latest KMyMoney tar.bz2 from sf.net. I unarchived it to a > new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make install. > The program runs without errors. I wish to turn it into a *.deb in order > for it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager. Can someone list > out the command line steps for this? Larry, Please start a new thread when you have a new question instead of hijacking an existing thread. It makes reading easier for those of us who use kmail or thunderbird or gmail or other threaded mail readers. That said, use the following steps. ./configure make checkinstall -D -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I unarchived it > to a > > new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make > install. > > The program runs without errors. I wish to turn it into a *.deb in > order > > for it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager. Can someone > list > > out the command line steps for this? > > Larry, > > Please start a new thread when you have a new question instead of > hijacking an > existing thread. It makes reading easier for those of us who use kmail or > thunderbird or gmail or other threaded mail readers. > > That said, use the following steps. > > ./configure > make > checkinstall -D > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did install xtightvncviewer, but it is apparently the same annoying program that I was refering to in my original post. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/59/16/ac-dc/dirty_deeds_done_dirt_cheap_.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/electromagnet.html From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Tue Jan 2 21:04:00 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:04:00 -0700 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021525.25508.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021525.25508.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <200701021404.00583.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 13:25, claydoh wrote: > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 2:47 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > I have a Lightscribe capible DVD writer the Lightscribe linux package is > > avaible ..but only as an .rpm package > > can somebody give me ID-10T proof directions for converting them using > > alien? -- > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > Some people lean from books > > some people learn fro experience > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > Will Rodgers > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in Dapper > (unless they have released a newer version of the lightscribe software) > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > i.e.: > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > then issue this command : > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of the rpm file > here > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From claydoh at claydoh.com Tue Jan 2 21:19:29 2007 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:19:29 -0500 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021404.00583.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021525.25508.claydoh@claydoh.com> <200701021404.00583.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200701021619.29597.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in Dapper > > (unless they have released a newer version of the lightscribe software) > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > i.e.: > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > > > then issue this command : > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of the rpm file > > here > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > -- > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > Some people lean from books > some people learn fro experience > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > Will Rodgers It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, but other distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The software did not work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed Dapper in a dual boot on this machine just to see if it worked, and it did :) http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 :D -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Tue Jan 2 21:47:40 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:47:40 -0700 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021619.29597.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021404.00583.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021619.29597.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <200701021447.40204.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in Dapper > > > (unless they have released a newer version of the lightscribe software) > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > i.e.: > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of the rpm > > > file here > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > -- > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > Some people lean from books > > some people learn fro experience > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > Will Rodgers > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, but other > distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The software did not work > in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed Dapper in a dual boot on this > machine just to see if it worked, and it did :) no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > :D -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 2 21:56:36 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:56:36 -0500 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021447.40204.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021619.29597.claydoh@claydoh.com> <200701021447.40204.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200701021656.36523.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> For Lightscribe on Edgy, check this thread out: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 Suggests a workaround to "fool" Edgy into thinking it is Dapper for the sake of Lightscribe disks via chroot. Has all of the instructions for installing *.rpm files as well. I will be employing this soon for my Edgy system to see if it works. Larry On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:47, Grumpy wrote: > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in > > > > Dapper (unless they have released a newer version of the lightscribe > > > > software) > > > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > > > i.e.: > > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of the rpm > > > > file here > > > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > > > -- > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > Some people lean from books > > > some people learn fro experience > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > Will Rodgers > > > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, but other > > distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The software did not > > work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed Dapper in a dual boot on > > this machine just to see if it worked, and it did :) > > no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > > > :D > > -- > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > Some people lean from books > some people learn fro experience > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > Will Rodgers From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 2 22:00:42 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:00:42 -0500 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: References: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca> <200701021516.31011.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701021700.42426.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Should I start a new one, titled: "how I managed to upset half the people in the world by hijacking a thread?" I'll take my licks and laugh at it too.... Larry On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:21, Lokeey wrote: > thread-jacking - hahahaha...i didn't catch that! > > On 1/2/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Saturday 30 December 2006 23:36, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > I downloaded the latest KMyMoney tar.bz2 from sf.net. I unarchived it > > > > to a > > > > > new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make > > > > install. > > > > > The program runs without errors. I wish to turn it into a *.deb in > > > > order > > > > > for it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager. Can someone > > > > list > > > > > out the command line steps for this? > > > > Larry, > > > > Please start a new thread when you have a new question instead of > > hijacking an > > existing thread. It makes reading easier for those of us who use kmail > > or thunderbird or gmail or other threaded mail readers. > > > > That said, use the following steps. > > > > ./configure > > make > > checkinstall -D > > > > > > -- > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Art Alexion > > > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > > alarm. Info @ > > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From xurxo13 at terra.es Tue Jan 2 22:10:43 2007 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:10:43 +0100 Subject: VBA emulator Message-ID: <1167775843.5928.5.camel@D4L> Hi, I just installed vba and the frontend vbaexpress. I tried to play a few old gameboy games i have (gameboy and gameboy color (all legit). Problem is that speed goes up to 200%, making it unplayable. I read the man and googled it up but i dont know how to reduce speed. It works in windows. Thanks in advance, From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 22:17:56 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:17:56 -0600 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200701021700.42426.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <459728FD.7090007@videotron.ca> <200701021516.31011.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701021700.42426.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: hahahhaaha....thread jacker! On 1/2/07, Larry Hartman wrote: > > Should I start a new one, titled: "how I managed to upset half the people > in > the world by hijacking a thread?" I'll take my licks and laugh at it > too.... > > Larry > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:21, Lokeey wrote: > > thread-jacking - hahahaha...i didn't catch that! > > > > On 1/2/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > > On Saturday 30 December 2006 23:36, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > > I downloaded the latest KMyMoney tar.bz2 from sf.net. I unarchived > it > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > new directory on my Desktop, performed the ./configure, make, make > > > > > > install. > > > > > > > The program runs without errors. I wish to turn it into a *.deb in > > > > > > order > > > > > > > for it to be installed, and tracked by a package manager. Can > someone > > > > > > list > > > > > > > out the command line steps for this? > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > Please start a new thread when you have a new question instead of > > > hijacking an > > > existing thread. It makes reading easier for those of us who use > kmail > > > or thunderbird or gmail or other threaded mail readers. > > > > > > That said, use the following steps. > > > > > > ./configure > > > make > > > checkinstall -D > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Art Alexion > > > > > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > > > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > > > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need > for > > > alarm. 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URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 2 22:20:44 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:20:44 +0000 Subject: how to make a *.deb package from source In-Reply-To: <200701021520.09334.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <4597C33B.1040709@blueyonder.co.uk> <200612311930.36062.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45985745.9050500@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701021520.09334.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <459ADABC.7070101@blueyonder.co.uk> Art Alexion wrote: > On Sunday 31 December 2006 19:35, Tez wrote: > >> sudo checkinstall make install >> > > I've been using checkinstall since Red Hat 7.x. > > sudo checkinstall -D > > for a deb > > su -c checkinstall -R > > for a Fedora RPM. > And why in the name of all that is holy would you want an RPM :-P Tez From xurxo13 at terra.es Tue Jan 2 22:42:48 2007 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:42:48 +0100 Subject: VBA emulator In-Reply-To: <1167775843.5928.5.camel@D4L> References: <1167775843.5928.5.camel@D4L> Message-ID: <1167777768.5928.9.camel@D4L> 2007-01-02 (火) の 23:10 +0100 に Xurxo F. さんは書きました: > Hi, I just installed vba and the frontend vbaexpress. I tried to play a > few old gameboy games i have (gameboy and gameboy color (all legit). > Problem is that speed goes up to 200%, making it unplayable. > I read the man and googled it up but i dont know how to reduce speed. It > works in windows. > Thanks in advance, I kinda solved the problem. I can whether vba --throttle=100 "GAME" or set the cfg file with throttle=65 Now I wonder why those 65 works. Logic says it should be 100 too. > From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Tue Jan 2 23:29:31 2007 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:31 -0600 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:10 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote > Patrick Vossen wrote: > > > I did an additional system update to Edgy and lost my sound. > > To make a long story short I couldn't remedy it after a > > few suggested solutions. That being the case I attempted > > to reformat and install Ubuntu again. It didn't work. > > No surprise. Sorry, but Automatix is _known_ not to play well with Ubuntu. > > > after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, > > dpkg? > > > I think I have two options. Reinstall > > Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, > > but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate > > suggestions? > > You've b0rked apt by using automatix, so you need to fix it by removing > automatix. Hmmm.... That MUST be why the latest issue of Linux Magazine just published an article titled 'Tweaking Ubuntu' which walks you through installing Automatix. Come to think of it, the FIRST tweak they start with is how to enable the Root account again... Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 2 23:55:41 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:55:41 -0500 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021656.36523.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021447.40204.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021656.36523.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701021855.41819.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Response to my earlier post, I followed the How-to on the forum listed below concerning Lightscribe and am burning a label to my disc as I type....the drive light is on...I think this is a go. For me this is another issue resolved in my conversion from (insert that other name brand) to Kubuntu. I did not think this would be solved so quickly from when I first tried Kubuntu three months ago. On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Larry Hartman wrote: > For Lightscribe on Edgy, check this thread out: > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 > > Suggests a workaround to "fool" Edgy into thinking it is Dapper for the > sake of Lightscribe disks via chroot. Has all of the instructions for > installing *.rpm files as well. I will be employing this soon for my Edgy > system to see if it works. > > Larry > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:47, Grumpy wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in > > > > > Dapper (unless they have released a newer version of the > > > > > lightscribe software) > > > > > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > > > > > i.e.: > > > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > > > > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of the > > > > > rpm file here > > > > > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, but > > > other distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The software > > > did not work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed Dapper in a > > > dual boot on this machine just to see if it worked, and it did :) > > > > no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > > > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > > > > > :D > > > > -- > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > Some people lean from books > > some people learn fro experience > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > Will Rodgers From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 00:04:00 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:04:00 -0600 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021855.41819.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021447.40204.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021656.36523.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701021855.41819.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: you got me hype now cause i haven't even touched my lightscribe thinking it wasn't possible on linux. On 1/2/07, Larry Hartman wrote: > > Response to my earlier post, I followed the How-to on the forum listed > below > concerning Lightscribe and am burning a label to my disc as I type....the > drive light is on...I think this is a go. For me this is another issue > resolved in my conversion from (insert that other name brand) to > Kubuntu. I > did not think this would be solved so quickly from when I first tried > Kubuntu > three months ago. > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Larry Hartman wrote: > > For Lightscribe on Edgy, check this thread out: > > > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 > > > > Suggests a workaround to "fool" Edgy into thinking it is Dapper for the > > sake of Lightscribe disks via chroot. Has all of the instructions for > > installing *.rpm files as well. I will be employing this soon for my > Edgy > > system to see if it works. > > > > Larry > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:47, Grumpy wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in > > > > > > Dapper (unless they have released a newer version of the > > > > > > lightscribe software) > > > > > > > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e.: > > > > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > > > > > > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of the > > > > > > rpm file here > > > > > > > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > > > > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, but > > > > other distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The software > > > > did not work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed Dapper in a > > > > dual boot on this machine just to see if it worked, and it did :) > > > > > > no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > > > > > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > > > > > > > :D > > > > > > -- > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > Some people lean from books > > > some people learn fro experience > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > Will Rodgers > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 3 00:10:55 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:10:55 -0500 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021855.41819.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701021910.55867.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> The how-to is not immensely difficult, just be prepared to spend time as your machine downloads and chunks numbers. 4 minutes to go until lightscribe burn is done. proof is in the pudding. Larry On Tuesday 02 January 2007 19:04, Lokeey wrote: > you got me hype now cause i haven't even touched my lightscribe thinking it > wasn't possible on linux. > > On 1/2/07, Larry Hartman wrote: > > Response to my earlier post, I followed the How-to on the forum listed > > below > > concerning Lightscribe and am burning a label to my disc as I type....the > > drive light is on...I think this is a go. For me this is another issue > > resolved in my conversion from (insert that other name brand) to > > Kubuntu. I > > did not think this would be solved so quickly from when I first tried > > Kubuntu > > three months ago. > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > For Lightscribe on Edgy, check this thread out: > > > > > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 > > > > > > Suggests a workaround to "fool" Edgy into thinking it is Dapper for the > > > sake of Lightscribe disks via chroot. Has all of the instructions for > > > installing *.rpm files as well. I will be employing this soon for my > > > > Edgy > > > > > system to see if it works. > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:47, Grumpy wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work in > > > > > > > Dapper (unless they have released a newer version of the > > > > > > > lightscribe software) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e.: > > > > > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut /home/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > > > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of > > > > > > > the rpm file here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > > > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > > > > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, but > > > > > other distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The > > > > > software did not work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed > > > > > Dapper in a dual boot on this machine just to see if it worked, and > > > > > it did :) > > > > > > > > no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > > > > > > > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > > > > > > > > > :D > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 3 00:16:04 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:16:04 -0500 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021910.55867.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021910.55867.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701021916.04911.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> One labeled disc! On Tuesday 02 January 2007 19:10, Larry Hartman wrote: > The how-to is not immensely difficult, just be prepared to spend time as > your machine downloads and chunks numbers. 4 minutes to go until > lightscribe burn is done. proof is in the pudding. > > Larry > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 19:04, Lokeey wrote: > > you got me hype now cause i haven't even touched my lightscribe thinking > > it wasn't possible on linux. > > > > On 1/2/07, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > Response to my earlier post, I followed the How-to on the forum listed > > > below > > > concerning Lightscribe and am burning a label to my disc as I > > > type....the drive light is on...I think this is a go. For me this is > > > another issue resolved in my conversion from (insert that other name > > > brand) to Kubuntu. I > > > did not think this would be solved so quickly from when I first tried > > > Kubuntu > > > three months ago. > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > > For Lightscribe on Edgy, check this thread out: > > > > > > > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 > > > > > > > > Suggests a workaround to "fool" Edgy into thinking it is Dapper for > > > > the sake of Lightscribe disks via chroot. Has all of the > > > > instructions for installing *.rpm files as well. I will be employing > > > > this soon for my > > > > > > Edgy > > > > > > > system to see if it works. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:47, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does work > > > > > > > > in Dapper (unless they have released a newer version of the > > > > > > > > lightscribe software) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e.: > > > > > > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut > > > > > > > > /home/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > > > > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name of > > > > > > > > the rpm file here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > > > > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > > > > > > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, > > > > > > but other distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The > > > > > > software did not work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I installed > > > > > > Dapper in a dual boot on this machine just to see if it worked, > > > > > > and it did :) > > > > > > > > > > no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > > > > > > > > > > > :D > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 3 00:40:00 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:40:00 -0500 Subject: Converting RPM packages In-Reply-To: <200701021916.04911.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701021247.35615.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701021910.55867.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701021916.04911.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701021940.00516.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> This is awesome, Linux has outdone that other software (again)! I inserted the already labeled lightscribe disc back into the drive and burned another label onto it. I couldn't do that before, as the lightscribe surface on the disc would be completely used. Happier than a pig in fresh mud! Larry On Tuesday 02 January 2007 19:16, Larry Hartman wrote: > One labeled disc! > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 19:10, Larry Hartman wrote: > > The how-to is not immensely difficult, just be prepared to spend time as > > your machine downloads and chunks numbers. 4 minutes to go until > > lightscribe burn is done. proof is in the pudding. > > > > Larry > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 19:04, Lokeey wrote: > > > you got me hype now cause i haven't even touched my lightscribe > > > thinking it wasn't possible on linux. > > > > > > On 1/2/07, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > > Response to my earlier post, I followed the How-to on the forum > > > > listed below > > > > concerning Lightscribe and am burning a label to my disc as I > > > > type....the drive light is on...I think this is a go. For me this is > > > > another issue resolved in my conversion from (insert that other name > > > > brand) to Kubuntu. I > > > > did not think this would be solved so quickly from when I first tried > > > > Kubuntu > > > > three months ago. > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > > > For Lightscribe on Edgy, check this thread out: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 > > > > > > > > > > Suggests a workaround to "fool" Edgy into thinking it is Dapper for > > > > > the sake of Lightscribe disks via chroot. Has all of the > > > > > instructions for installing *.rpm files as well. I will be > > > > > employing this soon for my > > > > > > > > Edgy > > > > > > > > > system to see if it works. > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:47, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:19, claydoh wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 4:04 pm, Grumpy wrote: > > > > > > > > > First off, the software will not work in Edgy, but does > > > > > > > > > work in Dapper (unless they have released a newer version > > > > > > > > > of the lightscribe software) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Konsole, cd to the directory containing the rpm files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e.: > > > > > > > > > cd ~/My_RPM_dir/ ##the '~' is a shortcut > > > > > > > > > /home/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then issue this command : > > > > > > > > > sudo alien --scripts bla-xxxx.rpm ##substitiute the name > > > > > > > > > of the rpm file here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then install the resulting deb files as usual: > > > > > > > > > sudo dpkg -i bla-xxxx.deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah I see what's happening I get a segfault > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was compiled using "older" libraries that Edgy does not use, > > > > > > > but other distros may include as a "compatibility" package. The > > > > > > > software did not work in Fedora Core 6 for me either. I > > > > > > > installed Dapper in a dual boot on this machine just to see if > > > > > > > it worked, and it did :) > > > > > > > > > > > > no biggie I'm dual booting Mandriva 2007 on this box > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :D > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > > > > > > Some people lean from books > > > > > > some people learn fro experience > > > > > > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > > > > > > Will Rodgers > > > > > > > > -- > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From almilis at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 00:56:24 2007 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:56:24 +0700 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600701021656m1948ae08sbc7886cb37e970e8@mail.gmail.com> >> 3. Can not install Grub on previous Grub installation >> We have to clean the previous grub first before we can >> do a clean installation. > Without any details, this is just a rant. Why not start 3 threads, with > each of these problems, and give us a detailed explanation of your > problems? Because I do not expect that *ubuntu will be as reliable as Debian anymore. It is only as good as other ''distros with deadlines'' like Mandriva , Fedora, and SuSE -- nevertheless -- I can live with those annoyances above. I just want to confirm if there are others with the same problems and how they overcome them. About grub: The problem can be solved with emergency boot; and than manually reinstall grub. PS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/35819 -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ From pvossen at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 01:30:11 2007 From: pvossen at yahoo.com (Patrick Vossen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:30:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <20070103013011.88884.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Scott, I will try to uninstall Automattix2 then look for that info from the latest newsletter. I also will erase the automattix2 line from the sources.list. If things are still unstable I'm able to reinstall Kubuntu. Patrick --- Scott Mazur wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:10 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote > > Patrick Vossen wrote: > > > > > I did an additional system update to Edgy and lost my sound. > > > To make a long story short I couldn't remedy it after a > > > few suggested solutions. That being the case I attempted > > > to reformat and install Ubuntu again. It didn't work. > > > > No surprise. Sorry, but Automatix is _known_ not to play well > with Ubuntu. > > > > > after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, > > > > dpkg? > > > > > I think I have two options. Reinstall > > > Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, > > > but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate > > > suggestions? > > > > You've b0rked apt by using automatix, so you need to fix it by > removing > > automatix. > > Hmmm.... That MUST be why the latest issue of Linux Magazine just > published > an article titled 'Tweaking Ubuntu' which walks you through > installing > Automatix. Come to think of it, the FIRST tweak they start with is > how to > enable the Root account again... > > > Scott > > -- > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pvossen at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 01:33:31 2007 From: pvossen at yahoo.com (Patrick Vossen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:33:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <87tzzas77h.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <650921.54661.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Suggestion John. It looks like if I edit my sources.list now or make sure the adept or synaptic package managers aren't looking for that same Sun.Java package repository I'll be ok. Patrick --- John L Fjellstad wrote: > Patrick Vossen writes: > > > froze up. Automattix2 locked up at Sun Java RE 2 and then > > after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, > > it keeps on recycling that Sun Java RE and now the package > > managers both Synaptic and Adept won't install anything. > > They keep on referring to an upgrade to Sun Java RE which > > jams the system. I think I have two options. Reinstall > > Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, > > but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate > > suggestions? > > From the commandline, try > sudo dpkg --configure -a > > -- > John L. Fjellstad > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos > custodes > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Wed Jan 3 01:46:53 2007 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:46:53 -0600 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <20070103013011.88884.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com[0701!02.193019.ZqJC]> References: <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> <20070103013011.88884.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com[0701!02.193019.ZqJC]> Message-ID: <20070103013806.M78750@littlefish.ca> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:30:11 -0800 (PST), Patrick Vossen wrote > Thanks Scott, > > I will try to uninstall Automattix2 then look for > that info from the latest newsletter. I also will > erase the automattix2 line from the sources.list. > If things are still unstable I'm able to reinstall > Kubuntu. Dang! I forgot the winkies again ;) My comment on Automatix2 was simple sarcasm. According to a good number of happy users (and now a respected magazine publisher), Automatix appears to be just the thing to get your Ubuntu based distro out of the gates once you've got it out of the box. I've managed to bork my Kubuntu install quite nicely all on my own. It's a fragile beast when you start to tinker. Someday it really will 'just work' out of the box, then there'll be no need to tinker ;) <-- note the winkie! Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Wed Jan 3 02:02:08 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:02:08 -0700 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <20070103013806.M78750@littlefish.ca> References: <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> <20070103013011.88884.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com[0701!02.193019.ZqJC]> <20070103013806.M78750@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200701021902.08355.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 18:46, Scott Mazur wrote: > Someday it really will 'just work' > out of the box, then there'll be no need to tinker ;)  <-- note the winkie! Wheres the fun in that ;-) -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From fairless at ieee.org Wed Jan 3 02:11:42 2007 From: fairless at ieee.org (Gayle Lee Fairless) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:11:42 -0600 Subject: smp kernels In-Reply-To: References: <459AB4C6.7060603@ieee.org> Message-ID: <459B10DE.8020801@ieee.org> Lokeey wrote: > yes you can. it will walk you through the install process and if you > are familiar with qtparted you will know what to do as far as > selecting a partition. as for the smp kernels, i overlooked this > during my install, but (k)ubuntu identifies it at as smp. so i'm not > sure if they use separate kernels as i did not see any when i > installed kubuntu. > > > On 1/2/07, *Gayle Lee Fairless* > wrote: > > Which kernels are smp? I have a Pentium 4 Prescott on a socket 478 > motherboard (ASUS). I have LiveCD's for both Dapper Drake 6.06 > LTS and > Edgy 6.10. Can you choose which partition on which to > install? (I have > Windows XP Pro on the first partition.) > > Although I have not used qtparted, it can't be too different from cfdisk. I think it was cfdisk that I've used before. If I remember correctly, the 250 GB Seagate has 3 big partitions and a small one or two made for swap partitions. Two of the big ones were for Linux and Windows. The third one was meant for a common data area. Thanks for your reply! From pgort at mac.com Wed Jan 3 04:47:39 2007 From: pgort at mac.com (Peter Gort) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:47:39 +1100 Subject: DNS Serving form desktop In-Reply-To: <1167704849.20365.48.camel@localhost> References: <223C16E5-BDB6-47F4-9D22-EC0A3EE14688@mac.com> <1167704849.20365.48.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4ECE6B6C-0EEE-4431-8F37-753EDA17C539@mac.com> Hi Bryann, Oh how I wish it were that simple. For work reasons (this is not optional I have to do this) I am running a Mac OS X Server as a development server in my little home/ office network. There is no choice in the matter of DNS, it has to have it. Lots of services break if it doesn't have a DNS server separate from itself. "A" & "PTR" records are compulsory, and MX record as well if I choose to run the mail server (which I sometimes need to do when testing something I've written). The server has 3 IP interfaces, ethernet, wireless, and firewire. Firewire networking performance in a small office has to be seen to be believed, whole CD images copy faster than I can get out to the kitchen and put the coffee pot on;-) I take your point about installing server and adding KDE to it, that probably would have been simpler in the long run. Might do that this evening or tomorrow. For the moment I found a nice little utility that configures Bind in Mac OS X, so it's idling in OSX at the moment, with junior champing at the bit.....he really digs KDE and can play around in it for hours, just exploring. And it's school holidays until the end of January . School work isn't a problem, he's a year or three away yet from writing assignments on the computer. Besides, he can get time on the Powerbook if he can kick his mother and sister off it for long enough ;-) Peter On 02/01/2007, at 1:27 PM, bryann wrote: > I have a hard time trying to figure why to bother with DNS on a home > network. I have a WORK network/home use also /network all together 7 > machines plus router switch etc. > The only nameserver use is internet on a local coop WLAN accessing the > internet. > > Locally it is simpler to use a Hosts list. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 04:59:05 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:59:05 +0200 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> Scott Mazur wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:10 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote >> Patrick Vossen wrote: >> >>> I did an additional system update to Edgy and lost my sound. >>> To make a long story short I couldn't remedy it after a >>> few suggested solutions. That being the case I attempted >>> to reformat and install Ubuntu again. It didn't work. >> No surprise. Sorry, but Automatix is _known_ not to play well with Ubuntu. >> >>> after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, >> dpkg? >> >>> I think I have two options. Reinstall >>> Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, >>> but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate >>> suggestions? >> You've b0rked apt by using automatix, so you need to fix it by removing >> automatix. > > Hmmm.... That MUST be why the latest issue of Linux Magazine just published > an article titled 'Tweaking Ubuntu' which walks you through installing > Automatix. Come to think of it, the FIRST tweak they start with is how to > enable the Root account again... > I am also not overly fond of Automatix that seems to be trying to do too much at the same time - like seriously edit your sourceslist w/o asking. I prefer EasyUbuntu that does not try to do "everything". Sinclair From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Wed Jan 3 05:32:56 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:32:56 +0100 Subject: How to properly install RealPlayer for Linux Message-ID: <459B4008.1060703@bluewin.ch> Hi, all. When I tried to install the version of Realplayer (v 8.0.11) proposed by Adept, the response I got from Adept manager in the 'Requested' column was a "BREAK (install)" in red color, with an ensuing message to the effect that the object in the repository is broken. I then turned to the real.com website, where I found two Linux options available: RealPlayer10GOLD.bin or RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm. My Firefox browser is set up to routinely download files onto the desktop (is that the best choice?), but I'm so dumb I don't know 1) which of the two suggested options would be better nor 2) how to install that better option so it will land in the proper place (folder ...) to operate properly. Also, is the installer going to automatically provide for an application menu entry or is that something that will need to be done manually? Any help will be thankfully appreciated. john _______________________ kubuntu 6.06 LTS on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Wed Jan 3 06:53:29 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:53:29 -0700 Subject: Amarok 1.4.4 has flat-out stopped working Message-ID: It won't even launch from a terminal. I type "Amarok" at a bash prompt in Konsole and the cursor just sits there. There is simply no response. I suppose I should just start over from scratch. In fact I tried to do that and it seems I've not deleted all the appropriate files. I deleted ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok And the problem persists. I'm running Amarok 1.4.4 on (K)Ubuntu 6.10 (i386). I don't get this. Amarok was running just fine a week ago. Thanks. -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com © 2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved From jeff_yowell at cox.net Wed Jan 3 06:56:00 2007 From: jeff_yowell at cox.net (Jeff Yowell) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:56:00 -0600 Subject: Which version of kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1167688746.5188.1.camel@D4L> References: <1167688746.5188.1.camel@D4L> Message-ID: <4B71CDD3-DF9A-4D3B-9B25-888058020B52@cox.net> Breezy - All the way. On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Xurxo F. wrote: > 2007-01-02 (火) の 00:46 +0300 に suleiman mostamandy さんは > 書きました: >> I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop fujitsu-siemens amilo >> si-1520 core 2 duo. I dont know which version of kubuntu i should >> choose. please help me kind people. >> Thanks. >> Best regards. > > I'd suggest trying kubuntu dapper for a first try. I'm using edgy > right > now but some things didnt work from the begging. > Good luck > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ > listinfo/kubuntu-users From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Jan 3 06:39:37 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:39:37 +1100 Subject: How to properly install RealPlayer for Linux References: <459B4008.1060703@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <87odpgobpy.fsf@rimspace.net> "john d. herron" writes: > When I tried to install the version of Realplayer (v 8.0.11) proposed > by Adept, the response I got from Adept manager in the 'Requested' > column was a "BREAK (install)" in red color, with an ensuing message > to the effect that the object in the repository is broken. I then > turned to the real.com website, where I found two Linux options > available: RealPlayer10GOLD.bin or RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm. My Firefox > browser is set up to routinely download files onto the desktop (is > that the best choice?), but I'm so dumb I don't know 1) which of the > two suggested options would be better nor 2) how to install that > better option so it will land in the proper place (folder ...) to > operate properly. The best answer, which isn't very intuitive, is that you shouldn't install either. There are a number of free alternatives that are capable of playing most real content -- and all of it, using their binary CODECs. You should look to installing the w32codecs package as described in the Ubuntu wiki under "RestrictedFormats"[1]. Then use the 'kmplayer' plugin, or just the ordinary playback tools like Amarok, to play the content using the xine engine. Finally, mplayer also supports using the w32codecs to play back real content. That way you don't suffer the indignity of discovering that even if installed the RealPlayer Linux version is, well, not very impressive. Practically, in most cases, unusably so. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From ian at themagictree.co.uk Wed Jan 3 07:24:16 2007 From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:24:16 +0000 Subject: How to properly install RealPlayer for Linux In-Reply-To: <459B4008.1060703@bluewin.ch> References: <459B4008.1060703@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <459B5A20.1030508@themagictree.co.uk> john d. herron wrote: > Hi, all. > When I tried to install the version of Realplayer (v 8.0.11) proposed > by Adept, the response I got from Adept manager in the 'Requested' > column was a "BREAK (install)" in red color, with an ensuing message > to the effect that the object in the repository is broken. > I then turned to the real.com website, where I found two Linux options > available: RealPlayer10GOLD.bin or RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm. > My Firefox browser is set up to routinely download files onto the > desktop (is that the best choice?), but I'm so dumb I don't know 1) > which of the two suggested options would be better nor 2) how to > install that better option so it will land in the proper place (folder > ...) to operate properly. > Also, is the installer going to automatically provide for an > application menu entry or is that something that will need to be done > manually? > Any help will be thankfully appreciated. > john > _______________________ > kubuntu 6.06 LTS on i586 w/ 512 MB > > > Since you are using Dapper , you can add the dapper-commercial repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list, with the line: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main And then just sudo apt-get install realplay ( references: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods ) -- Ian From daniel at rimspace.net Wed Jan 3 07:48:47 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:48:47 +1100 Subject: Amarok 1.4.4 has flat-out stopped working References: Message-ID: <87irfoo8io.fsf@rimspace.net> Scott writes: > It won't even launch from a terminal. > I type "Amarok" at a bash prompt in Konsole and the cursor just sits there. > There is simply no response. I would guess that the audio engine is wedged while trying to open the sound device. > I suppose I should just start over from scratch. In fact I tried to > do that and it seems I've not deleted all the appropriate files. > > I deleted > > ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc > ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok > > And the problem persists. > I'm running Amarok 1.4.4 on (K)Ubuntu 6.10 (i386). > I don't get this. Amarok was running just fine a week ago. I understand that. Perhaps this will assist in locating some more detail of where, exactly, it is hanging: sudo aptitude install strace strace -f amarok Wait until that blocks, then see what it shows it was doing at the end. I suspect that something like 'open("/dev/dsp"...)' will be on the list... You can also use this to find out all the files it opens: strace -fe open amarok Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Wed Jan 3 10:00:27 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:00:27 -0700 Subject: Amarok 1.4.4 has flat-out stopped working In-Reply-To: <87irfoo8io.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <87irfoo8io.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: Daniel Pittman spake thusly on 01/03/2007 12:48 AM: >.... Perhaps this will assist in locating some more > detail of where, exactly, it is hanging: > > sudo aptitude install strace > strace -f amarok > > Wait until that blocks, then see what it shows it was doing at the end. > I suspect that something like 'open("/dev/dsp"...)' will be on the > list... What do you mean by "blocks"? It's giving me (as I write this) a never ending screen of > [pid 15167] nanosleep({0, 100000}, NULL) = 0 > [pid 15167] waitpid(15169, 0xbf994720, WNOHANG) = 0 Does that eventually stop after 10 minutes or so? > > You can also use this to find out all the files it opens: > > strace -fe open amarok Well I got bored with the previous step after 5 minutes of the same thing repeating itself so I tried this and ... $ ubuntu at scottbox:~$ strace -fe open amarok open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libpng12.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libz.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXext.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libX11.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libSM.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libICE.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libaudio.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXt.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXi.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXrender.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXft.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXau.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libutil.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libidn.so.11", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libkdefx.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 open("/usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3 Process 15174 attached [pid 15174] open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libpng12.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libz.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXext.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libX11.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libSM.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libICE.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libaudio.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXt.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXi.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXrender.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXft.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXau.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/home/ubuntu/.DCOPserver_scottbox__0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4 [pid 15174] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15174] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15174] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15174] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 Process 15174 detached --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- Process 15175 attached [pid 15175] open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libpng12.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libz.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXext.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libX11.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libSM.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libICE.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libaudio.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXt.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXi.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXrender.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXft.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXau.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/home/ubuntu/.DCOPserver_scottbox__0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4 [pid 15175] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15175] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15175] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15175] open("/home/ubuntu/.ICEauthority", O_RDONLY) = 5 [pid 15175] open("/home/ubuntu/.Xauthority", O_RDONLY) = 7 -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com © 2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Wed Jan 3 10:54:58 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:54:58 -0700 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair spake thusly on 01/02/2007 09:59 PM: > I am also not overly fond of Automatix that seems to be trying to do too > much at the same time - like seriously edit your sourceslist w/o asking. > I prefer EasyUbuntu that does not try to do "everything". I prefer doing it the old fashioned way.. One by one. -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com © 2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved From machines at centurytel.net Wed Jan 3 13:26:26 2007 From: machines at centurytel.net (Marc) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:26:26 -0600 Subject: Win4lin on edgy Message-ID: <200701030726.26760.machines@centurytel.net> Has anyone here had any success getting win4lin working with edgy? I keep getting the error message 'done. /opt/win4linpro/bin/mergepro-oneclick: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: /home/marc/Downloads/Win4Lin/win4linpro_6.3.5-01_i386.deb Press to exit...' After digging around I have been unable to find libgtk-1.2.so.0. I thought that I had all the correct C Compilers and libs installed. What am I missing? Thanks in advance Marc From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 3 13:32:37 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:32:37 -0400 Subject: smp kernels References: <459AB4C6.7060603@ieee.org> Message-ID: Lokeey wrote: > yes you can. it will walk you through the install process and if you are > familiar with qtparted you will know what to do as far as selecting a > partition. as for the smp kernels, i overlooked this during my install, > but (k)ubuntu identifies it at as smp. so i'm not sure if they use > separate kernels as i did not see any when i installed kubuntu. > > > On 1/2/07, Gayle Lee Fairless wrote: >> >> Which kernels are smp? Edgy kernels are all SMP. In dapper, afaik, you had to make a choice - but I don't know if the installer contained both versions. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 3 13:36:46 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:36:46 -0400 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701021502.47856.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > If you have a registered copy of Nero windows, download NeroLinux. It is > not open source, not free, and has a very clunky interface, but I have > found that it does things well that k3b refuses to do. Don't tease us Art! Can you give some examples (I'm far from a k3b power user, but it's always worked well for me). -- derek From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 14:39:24 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:39:24 -0600 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> Message-ID: easyubuntu is nice, but for some reason it stopped working for me. did anyone else have this problem? On 1/2/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Scott Mazur wrote: > > On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:10 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote > >> Patrick Vossen wrote: > >> > >>> I did an additional system update to Edgy and lost my sound. > >>> To make a long story short I couldn't remedy it after a > >>> few suggested solutions. That being the case I attempted > >>> to reformat and install Ubuntu again. It didn't work. > >> No surprise. Sorry, but Automatix is _known_ not to play well with > Ubuntu. > >> > >>> after I had to cancel. I did a dkpackage -a fix. But, > >> dpkg? > >> > >>> I think I have two options. Reinstall > >>> Kubuntu, or alter my sources.list which I've done before, > >>> but wanted to avoid. What does anyone have for alternate > >>> suggestions? > >> You've b0rked apt by using automatix, so you need to fix it by removing > >> automatix. > > > > Hmmm.... That MUST be why the latest issue of Linux Magazine just > published > > an article titled 'Tweaking Ubuntu' which walks you through installing > > Automatix. Come to think of it, the FIRST tweak they start with is how > to > > enable the Root account again... > > > I am also not overly fond of Automatix that seems to be trying to do too > much at the same time - like seriously edit your sourceslist w/o asking. > I prefer EasyUbuntu that does not try to do "everything". > > Sinclair > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 3 14:42:33 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:42:33 -0400 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <36135600701021656m1948ae08sbc7886cb37e970e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ali Milis wrote: >>> 3. Can not install Grub on previous Grub installation >>> We have to clean the previous grub first before we can >>> do a clean installation. >> Without any details, this is just a rant. Why not start 3 threads, with >> each of these problems, and give us a detailed explanation of your >> problems? > > Because I do not expect that *ubuntu will be as reliable as Debian > anymore. Ah. So it is just a rant. > > PS: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/35819 What it appears to show is that grub can't find a partition to install on. Now that is certainly an error, but that doesn't mean it's a generic "can not install Grub...". You casually dismissed the most likely scenario. If you can fix it by creating /dev/i2o nodes, then it probably _is_ a matter of not having i2o in the initrd image. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 3 15:08:10 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:08:10 -0400 Subject: Automattix2 problems References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070102232034.M4823@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: Scott Mazur wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:10 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote >> You've b0rked apt by using automatix, so you need to fix it by removing >> automatix. > > Hmmm.... That MUST be why the latest issue of Linux Magazine just > published an article titled 'Tweaking Ubuntu' which walks you through > installing Automatix. I'm sure there are ways to use automatix without screwing up apt - perhaps if the OP had read the article it wouldn't have been a problem. Just because someone saw fit to write an article about installing automatix doesn't mean it's the smart way to do something. In this case, automatix certainly seems to have messed up his apt database, and the simplest fix would be to remove automatix. > Come to think of it, the FIRST tweak they start with is how to > enable the Root account again... QED. -- derek From jeremy at jdli.net Wed Jan 3 15:24:47 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (jeremy anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701031024.47459.jeremy@jdli.net> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 05:54, Scott wrote: > O. Sinclair spake thusly on 01/02/2007 09:59 PM: > > I am also not overly fond of Automatix that seems to be trying to do too > > much at the same time - like seriously edit your sourceslist w/o asking. > > I prefer EasyUbuntu that does not try to do "everything". > > I prefer doing it the old fashioned way.. One by one. > > -- > Scott > http://angrykeyboarder.com > © 2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved I have been reading this thread for a while and I don't care which way you prefer but it would be nice if the ones that don't like automatix or easyubuntu would help point the newbies or the ones that don't know to some of the right places. One example would be, in kde, go to konqueror. Under konqueror go to Kubuntu Desktop Guide. Under Common Tasks go through all the steps and it should give you most of the information that you need to come up with what automatix and easyubuntu give you step by step. Please don't take this as a stab at those that said they don't like the automated ways, but please think about adding a little more to the pile if you don't like those things and have a good way of going through the steps. Just my 2cents Jeremy From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 3 15:39:12 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:39:12 -0700 Subject: How to properly install RealPlayer for Linux In-Reply-To: <459B5A20.1030508@themagictree.co.uk> References: <459B4008.1060703@bluewin.ch> <459B5A20.1030508@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: <1167838753.5987.43.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 07:24 +0000, Ian Rose wrote: > john d. herron wrote: > > Hi, all. > > When I tried to install the version of Realplayer (v 8.0.11) proposed > > by Adept, the response I got from Adept manager in the 'Requested' > > column was a "BREAK (install)" in red color, with an ensuing message > > to the effect that the object in the repository is broken. > > I then turned to the real.com website, where I found two Linux options > > available: RealPlayer10GOLD.bin or RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm. > > My Firefox browser is set up to routinely download files onto the > > desktop (is that the best choice?), but I'm so dumb I don't know 1) > > which of the two suggested options would be better nor 2) how to > > install that better option so it will land in the proper place (folder > > ...) to operate properly. > > Also, is the installer going to automatically provide for an > > application menu entry or is that something that will need to be done > > manually? > > Any help will be thankfully appreciated. > > john > > _______________________ > > kubuntu 6.06 LTS on i586 w/ 512 MB > > > > OK I understand:-) I'm going to say a bit more than a simple answer as I assume the goal is to be USING realplayer for streaming audio/video. My Kubuntu on a pc was done by adding Kubuntu desktop so I can't Guarantee it will work from a Kubuntu disk install but; I used the tar.gz ran it in a root terminal. If you don't have a root terminal use Sudo. I don' t know if current versions put a root terminal in the menu either my installation has been set up since Hoary. It put a listing in the menu and I believe the Desktop at least it did here or rather IIRC replaced the realplayer 10 icon I already had on the Desktop from Realplayer10 Gold win32 (via Wine). The problem I ran into is the sound drivers. It seems the helix/Real player for linux only supports OSS. My default install (Ubuntu) +kubuntu desktop was running alsa and thus needed the alsa OSS package and changes made in the multimedia settings. with an arts install this may differ. FWIW after installing all codecs etc for everything to play (restricted formats page) I find that most news videos etc dont play worth a dam. Also be careful which associations are created, as realplayer is a nuisance to play albums on the linux version. End results for actual usage (not playing with the computer) are: Movies DVDs totem xine (works smoother than win +cyberdvd) Audio Rythm box or Amarok Streaming audio video WINDOWS realplayer 10 on wine with Firefox windows version OR Windows mediaplayer with ie6 on Crossover. The above applies to the machines faster than 700mhz My hubbies very old p2 450 actually plays streaming radio via realplayer linux best The only TV shows that seem to work well on Linux players seem to be ABC all the others hang no matter what player I use. Using firefox (for win32) with wine or crossover with windows plugins seems to work much better here, although it is necessary to kill the processes manually often when you're done viewing . Oh and before you try all the windows stuff on wine getting THAT working IS a lot of work unless you know how to manipulate wine or crossover well. You need to add a lot of things to the default install ( ole and scripting flash shockwave etc) ALL of the above is NA on power pc MAC ..the only option for that is GPLflash ( most streaming video needs flash) and that doesn't work well except on a few sites. the DRM for buying music from REAL doesn't work here in any case, on linux. I've still needed a win partition for that. I suspect that Rhapsody might work well but I refer pay as I buy, not a monthly fee. OH and if you are going through a router REAL often chokes going through routers no matter what version you use. But /THAT is another subject. This sounds bad,,,but actually with a bit of work it can be done,my computers are the ONLY multimedia we use. We are Very remote and use them for news, music and even radio listening. Bryann From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 3 15:13:02 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:13:02 -0400 Subject: DNS Serving form desktop References: <223C16E5-BDB6-47F4-9D22-EC0A3EE14688@mac.com> <1167704849.20365.48.camel@localhost> <4ECE6B6C-0EEE-4431-8F37-753EDA17C539@mac.com> Message-ID: Peter Gort wrote: > Hi Bryann, > > Oh how I wish it were that simple. > > For work reasons (this is not optional I have to do this) I am > running a Mac OS X Server as a development server in my little home/ > office network. There is no choice in the matter of DNS, it has to > have it. Lots of services break if it doesn't have a DNS server > separate from itself. "A" & "PTR" records are compulsory, and MX > record as well if I choose to run the mail server (which I sometimes > need to do when testing something I've written). That sounds as if you might be better off just using a simple router. Most routers have DNS built in - forwarding to the Internet if they're connected to it, but capable of serving up a local domain, too. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 3 17:43:08 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:43:08 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701021547.56580.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701031243.24730.art.alexion@verizon.net> I guess what threw me off was that I wasn't the original poster, and never characterized anything an annoyance. The best way to explain why I sometimes use NeroLinux instead of k3b is that k3b sometimes refuses to burn DVDs that Nero has no trouble with. On those VIDEO_TS collections, k3b immediately complains that it cannot determine the ISO size and quits. Nero burns the same DVD without complaint or problem. I have not isolated what it is about the DVDs that k3b has problems with. I used to think it was 16:9 DVDs, but k3b burns some of them without problems. I never use Nero for audio or data CDs. While Nero burns MP3 to AudioCD (CDDA) out of the box, it won't burn flac without some esoteric configuration. I found mp3 capability in k3b easy to enable. On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:57, you wrote: > well, i was just wanting to know what one of those annoyances that you > experience in k3b that you don't with nero, other than the multi-session. > that was all. where did you get the nero-linux from? > > On 1/2/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > I don't understand your question. Perhaps rephrase? > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:11, Lokeey wrote: > > > what is one of those annoyances? > > > > > > On 1/2/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 06:27, Ali Milis wrote: > > > > > 2. K3b does not like "Nero" (?) > > > > > > > > > > Can not do multi-sessions with k3b, if the previous session > > > > > was burned with Nero. Solution: back to M$ Nero (this is bug #1 :). > > > > > > > > If you have a registered copy of Nero windows, download NeroLinux. > > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > open source, not free, and has a very clunky interface, but I have > > > > found > > > > > > that > > > > it does things well that k3b refuses to do. > > > > > > > > First I try k3b, and if that doesn't work, I use NeroLinux. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > Art Alexion > > > > > > > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > > > > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > > > > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need > > > > for > > > > > > alarm. Info @ > > > > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Art Alexion > > > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > > alarm. Info @ > > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > > _____________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It makes reading easier for those of us who use kmail > > > or thunderbird or gmail or other threaded mail readers. > > > > > > That said, use the following steps. > > > > > > ./configure > > > make > > > checkinstall -D -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some people support other computers with other distros. Here in the US, it seems hard to "sell" a corporate customer on anything other than RHEL or SUSe. They think they get what they pay for and therefore insist on paying. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From claydoh at claydoh.com Wed Jan 3 20:23:40 2007 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:23:40 -0500 Subject: Automattix2 problems In-Reply-To: <200701031024.47459.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> <200701031024.47459.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <459C10CC.4010902@claydoh.com> jeremy anderson wrote: > I have been reading this thread for a while and I don't care which way you > prefer but it would be nice if the ones that don't like automatix or > easyubuntu would help point the newbies or the ones that don't know to some > of the right places. One example would be, in kde, go to konqueror. Under > konqueror go to Kubuntu Desktop Guide. Under Common Tasks go through all the > steps and it should give you most of the information that you need to come up > with what automatix and easyubuntu give you step by step. > > Please don't take this as a stab at those that said they don't like the > automated ways, but please think about adding a little more to the pile if > you don't like those things and have a good way of going through the steps. > > Just my 2cents > > Jeremy > > I do exactly this in my forum postings, with links to the relevant wiki/help pages, which do a decent job of explaining the hows *and* the why's, if I give all the right links. Clay Weber loafing at work From dsterken at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 00:06:15 2007 From: dsterken at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:06:15 -0700 Subject: KAudioCreator Message-ID: I decided to use KAudioCreator for the first time today but I was shocked that I couldn't find an option to configure the compression rate for the LAME mp3 encoder. Am I missing it somewhere or does version 1.13 simply omit those options? Thanks in advance -- Dave Sterken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almilis at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 01:00:54 2007 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:00:54 +0700 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <36135600701021656m1948ae08sbc7886cb37e970e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600701031700x594b2673t117df7cb1c89d2@mail.gmail.com> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/35819 > What it appears to show is that grub can't find a partition to install on. > Now that is certainly an error, but that doesn't mean it's a generic "can > not install Grub...". You casually dismissed the most likely scenario. If > you can fix it by creating /dev/i2o nodes, then it probably _is_ a matter > of not having i2o in the initrd image. ZCZC Perhaps... Previously, what I did was trying to install kubuntu 5.10. In the past, that version never had installation problems. But, recently I tried to install 5.10 after failing to install 6.10 (grub problem), I received a same grub error message. Therefore, I suspected that there is a problem with the grub code that is in the disk partition. Like I wrote before, I solve this problem by reinstalling grub after emergency boot (from CD-ROM). NNNN END OF RANT. -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Thu Jan 4 01:13:26 2007 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:13:26 -0500 Subject: Can I change the Konqueror FTP-Xfer Menu? Message-ID: <200701032013.26826.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> When transferring files between the local copy of my website-in-progress and my FTP space, a menu that comes up (Move, Copy, etc.). This is normal. My issue comes when I accidentally select "Move" rather than "Copy". As I really only Copy files from local to FTP, is there a way to remove the Copy option from the file xfer menu? In an ideal world, this would be a simple mod to a Konqueror config file. In the real world, is it possible??? Thanks, Bob -- You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 3 20:16:55 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:16:55 -0400 Subject: Automattix2 problems References: <20070101170015.686.qmail@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <459B3819.10104@gmail.com> <200701031024.47459.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: jeremy anderson wrote: > Please don't take this as a stab at those that said they don't like the > automated ways, but please think about adding a little more to the pile if > you don't like those things and have a good way of going through the > steps. Thanks for that - I certainly don't take it as a stab. I don't know enough about what automatix _does_ to help someone get out of the problems it's caused - I only know that those who _do_ know continually advise against using Automatix on Ubuntu. If automatix had been around (or at least if I'd known about it) when I first installed Ubuntu, I might have been tempted to use it too. Instead, I had to figure out from the archives where to get the things I wanted that aren't part of Ubuntu. fwiw, I really wish Ubuntu would _ask_ at install time about using Universe/Multiverse, since I believe part of what leads people to using Automatix is that they don't have even basic parts of what I'd consider a usable system without Universe. -- derek From mehul.forums at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 05:57:48 2007 From: mehul.forums at gmail.com (mehul) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:27:48 +0530 Subject: Win4lin on edgy In-Reply-To: <200701030726.26760.machines@centurytel.net> References: <200701030726.26760.machines@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1375fd8a0701032157i66ce0a06l97bc9f9abaa2d5ad@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/07, Marc wrote: > > Has anyone here had any success getting win4lin working with edgy? I > keep > getting the error message > 'done. > /opt/win4linpro/bin/mergepro-oneclick: error while loading shared > libraries: > libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > Errors were encountered while processing: > /home/marc/Downloads/Win4Lin/win4linpro_6.3.5-01_i386.deb > Press to exit...' > > After digging around I have been unable to find libgtk-1.2.so.0. > > I thought that I had all the correct C Compilers and libs installed. > What am I missing? > Search for package called gtk-1.2 or libgtk-1.2 and install it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel at rimspace.net Thu Jan 4 04:18:46 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:18:46 +1100 Subject: Win4lin on edgy References: <200701030726.26760.machines@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <87d55vxw49.fsf@rimspace.net> Marc writes: > Has anyone here had any success getting win4lin working with edgy? I keep > getting the error message > 'done. > /opt/win4linpro/bin/mergepro-oneclick: error while loading shared libraries: > libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > Errors were encountered while processing: > /home/marc/Downloads/Win4Lin/win4linpro_6.3.5-01_i386.deb > Press to exit...' > > After digging around I have been unable to find libgtk-1.2.so.0. You need the GTK 1.2 packages installed: 'sudo aptitude install libgtk1.2' You might also want to investigate the 'apt-file' tool, which when updated can allow you to more easily find which package contains the file in question. Finally you can search the content of packages at http://packages.ubuntu.com -- searching for a substring, such as 'libgtk-1.2' is often better than using the full version numbered string with libraries. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From aikurn at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 07:37:43 2007 From: aikurn at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leticia_Hern=E1ndez?=) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:37:43 +0100 Subject: KAudioCreator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2007/1/4, Dave : > > I decided to use KAudioCreator for the first time today but I was shocked > that I couldn't find an option to configure the compression rate for the > LAME mp3 encoder. Am I missing it somewhere or does version 1.13 simply > omit those options? I don't have my computer to check it now, but IIRC you can configure those settings from KControl. It's under multimedia or sound, I can't remember that. Hope it helps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200701032013.26826.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200701032013.26826.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <459CC88A.8060905@myrealbox.com> As it shows up in the menu, it's just a matter of holding control when you drop the file. holding ctrl: copy file holding shift: move file holding ctrl-shift: link file You also have the ctrl-c ctrl-v option En l'instant précis du 01/04/07 02:13, Robert Tilley s'exprimait dans toute sa noblesse: > When transferring files between the local copy of my website-in-progress and > my FTP space, a menu that comes up (Move, Copy, etc.). This is normal. > > My issue comes when I accidentally select "Move" rather than "Copy". > > As I really only Copy files from local to FTP, is there a way to remove the > Copy option from the file xfer menu? In an ideal world, this would be a > simple mod to a Konqueror config file. In the real world, is it possible??? > > Thanks, Bob > From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Wed Jan 3 15:45:17 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:45:17 -0700 Subject: Locked out Message-ID: <200701030845.17503.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Whenever I try to sudo into anything I get the message conversation with su failed whot happened? -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 14:06:26 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:06:26 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701021502.47856.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701040906.47514.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 08:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > If you have a registered copy of Nero windows, download NeroLinux. It is > > not open source, not free, and has a very clunky interface, but I have > > found that it does things well that k3b refuses to do. > > Don't tease us Art! Can you give some examples (I'm far from a k3b power > user, but it's always worked well for me). For me, k3b has refused to burn certain video DVDs. Nero burns them without complaint. I have yet to figure out what it is about the particular DVDs that gives k3b a problem. The symptoms are that as soon as you click OK in the burn dialog, the first message is something like "Error! Can't determine ISO size." and then it aborts. The DVDs that I have then burnt using Nero (which makes no such complaint) play fine. As a note, I use dvdauthor and qdvdauthor to create the DVD structures. However, the video sources from the problem DVDs come various unknown sources (I collect Jazz performances from European and Japanese TV). This does not seem to be a PAL vs. NSTC problem, nor a full vs. wide screen problem. BTW anything interesting is very hard to do with dvdauthor, and although qdvdauthor helps simplify this, it is very, very buggy. I can't wait to get decent DVD authoring tools for Linux. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A reboot solved...I know it's not elegant, but whatever works > -- > Registered Linux Mangler #003 > Some people lean from books > some people learn fro experience > and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence > Will Rodgers -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 14:45:23 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:45:23 -0500 Subject: KAudioCreator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701040945.24989.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 19:06, Dave wrote: > I decided to use KAudioCreator for the first time today but I was shocked > that I couldn't find an option to configure the compression rate for the > LAME mp3 encoder. Am I missing it somewhere or does version 1.13 simply > omit those options? Kaudiocreator has two tabs: something like 'basic' and 'details'. It opens with ogg format selected in 'basic' view. Before adding files go to the 'detail' or 'advanced' tab and select your compression level and other options there. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you give some examples (I'm far from a k3b power > > user, but it's always worked well for me). > > For me, k3b has refused to burn certain video DVDs. Nero burns them > without complaint. I have yet to figure out what it is about the > particular DVDs that gives k3b a problem. The symptoms are that as soon as > you click OK in the burn dialog, the first message is something like > "Error! Can't determine ISO size." and then it aborts. The DVDs that I > have then burnt using Nero (which makes no such complaint) play fine. As a > note, I use dvdauthor and qdvdauthor to create the DVD structures. > However, the video sources from the problem DVDs come various unknown > sources (I collect Jazz performances from European and Japanese TV). This > does not seem to be a PAL vs. NSTC problem, nor a full vs. wide screen > problem. > > BTW anything interesting is very hard to do with dvdauthor, and although > qdvdauthor helps simplify this, it is very, very buggy. I can't wait to > get decent DVD authoring tools for Linux. I am no way an expert with k3b but I have found that a reduction of speed on the copy for some burns has kept me away from errors. Worth a try anyway. If it works for you too then maybe nero has a better way of taking care of this in auto mode... Again not an expert but try and see if it works for you. One of my burns I had to go down to the lowest setting. jeremy From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 4 15:29:22 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:29:22 -0400 Subject: search widget in konqueror References: <200701040951.15149.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > I've been meaning to ask this question, but keep forgetting. > > When I upgraded from breezy to dapper, the search widget disappeared from > the location toolbar, and I can't find anywhere to re-enable it. > > I realize that, by default, if I enter a few search terms separated by > spaces in the regular location field, that konqueror will search google > for them, but with the specialized widget, a la firefox, I had additional > search tools enabled in the drop-down. > > I also know that I can use web shortcuts, like gg:/ in the location bar, > but I > don't want to configure and remember them. I want my search widget back! > > Please help. I'm afraid I have no help for you - I lost mine too until I did a fresh Edgy install just before Christmas. Even then, the darn thing won't show if I'm browsing a directory, only a URL. Dammit! I like my konqueror windows to stay the same, I don't _want_ to see a difference between browsing the local filesystem and a remote web page. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 16:13:27 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:13:27 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041002.41038.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701040906.47514.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041002.41038.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701041113.50395.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:02, jeremy anderson wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 09:06, Art Alexion wrote: > > For me, k3b has refused to burn certain video DVDs. Nero burns them > > without complaint. I have yet to figure out what it is about the > > particular DVDs that gives k3b a problem. The symptoms are that as soon > > as you click OK in the burn dialog, the first message is something like > > "Error! Can't determine ISO size." and then it aborts. The DVDs that I > > have then burnt using Nero (which makes no such complaint) play fine. As > > a note, I use dvdauthor and qdvdauthor to create the DVD structures. > > However, the video sources from the problem DVDs come various unknown > > sources (I collect Jazz performances from European and Japanese TV). > > This does not seem to be a PAL vs. NSTC problem, nor a full vs. wide > > screen problem. > > I am no way an expert with k3b but I have found that a reduction of speed > on the copy for some burns has kept me away from errors. Worth a try > anyway. If it works for you too then maybe nero has a better way of taking > care of this in auto mode... Again not an expert but try and see if it > works for you. One of my burns I had to go down to the lowest setting. Jeremy, Thanks, but this cannot be a speed issue because the very first thing k3b does -- before it does any burning or even accessing the drive itself -- is complain that it cannot determine the ISO size and then aborts. It is probably a growisofs problem more than a k3b problem, and Nero probably uses something other than growisofs. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeremy at jdli.net Thu Jan 4 16:20:29 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (jeremy anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:20:29 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041113.50395.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041002.41038.jeremy@jdli.net> <200701041113.50395.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701041120.30195.jeremy@jdli.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:13, Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:02, jeremy anderson wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 09:06, Art Alexion wrote: > > > For me, k3b has refused to burn certain video DVDs. Nero burns them > > > without complaint. I have yet to figure out what it is about the > > > particular DVDs that gives k3b a problem. The symptoms are that as > > > soon as you click OK in the burn dialog, the first message is something > > > like "Error! Can't determine ISO size." and then it aborts. The DVDs > > > that I have then burnt using Nero (which makes no such complaint) play > > > fine. As a note, I use dvdauthor and qdvdauthor to create the DVD > > > structures. However, the video sources from the problem DVDs come > > > various unknown sources (I collect Jazz performances from European and > > > Japanese TV). This does not seem to be a PAL vs. NSTC problem, nor a > > > full vs. wide screen problem. > > > > I am no way an expert with k3b but I have found that a reduction of speed > > on the copy for some burns has kept me away from errors. Worth a try > > anyway. If it works for you too then maybe nero has a better way of > > taking care of this in auto mode... Again not an expert but try and see > > if it works for you. One of my burns I had to go down to the lowest > > setting. > > Jeremy, > > Thanks, but this cannot be a speed issue because the very first thing k3b > does -- before it does any burning or even accessing the drive itself -- is > complain that it cannot determine the ISO size and then aborts. It is > probably a growisofs problem more than a k3b problem, and Nero probably > uses something other than growisofs. Sorry I missed that part. I can't help you anymore then because I have not had any problems with any other part of k3b and I am constantly burning video dvds of my kids and because I have kids I backup their kids movies so not to scratch the originals. My wife is also an amateur movie maker and she uses k3b for burning without problems. I will keep an eye out for something on other forums for you though. Jeremy From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 16:35:22 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:35:22 -0500 Subject: search widget in konqueror In-Reply-To: References: <200701040951.15149.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701041135.29898.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:29, Derek Broughton wrote: >  Even then, the darn thing won't show if I'm > browsing a directory, only a URL.  Dammit!  I like my konqueror windows to > stay the same, I don't _want_ to see a difference between browsing the > local filesystem and a remote web page. This was the case with breezy and hoary, too. I didn't mind it because it appeared in a blank page. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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A shift by only a few pixels would > cascade down the sides of my LCD screen. > > My windows install on my new Windows box is rock-solid and stable, so the > point of trouble is not my LCD monitor. (Dell, good quality.) > > Have there been any changes to Xorg lately that could have introduced this > change? Before, during a Kubuntu install, everything would be stable and > now, even booting off the install CD for a fresh install, my screen in Linux > is unstable. > > Perhaps some hardware gurus know something I don't. > > Thanks, Bob > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From mariof2000 at videotron.ca Thu Jan 4 17:13:26 2007 From: mariof2000 at videotron.ca (Mario Frechette) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:13:26 -0500 Subject: Scons do not find KDE includes for Rosegarden Message-ID: <459D35B6.50101@videotron.ca> Hello list i am running DAPPER 6.06 LTS and I am trying to compile Rosegarden 1.4 with Scons as they say in the HELP file .. and i had no trouble to export the QTDIR to PATH but I can't figure how to set up the kde includes ?? here's waht append when I run ."scons configure" hecking for kde-config : kde-config was found as /usr/bin/kde-config Checking for kde version : 3.5.2 Checking for the qt library : qt is in /usr/share/qt3 Checking for uic : uic was found as /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic Checking for moc : moc was found as /usr/share/qt3/bin/moc Checking for the qt includes : the qt headers were found in /usr/include/qt3/ Checking for the kde includes : The kde includes were NOT found does this means something to anybody ??? there's my PATH too echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/share/qt3:/usr/include/qt3/ Thanks for reading Mario ..the french guy From fsunoles at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 17:33:50 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:33:50 -0700 Subject: Running an old 32 bit app on AMD64 Message-ID: <75db45220701040933r2a716479i22e3723f2174cde2@mail.gmail.com> I have a program I'm trying to get to run on an AMD64 6.10 machine. I have an rpm of the program. In the past I've successfully used alien to install said program, but I'm not getting it done on the AMD64 machine. If I try to install an alien created deb file (created on another machine), it works with --force-architecture but I get this error when I try to run it: "error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" I have libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev installed . If I try to create a deb file with alien on the AMD64 machine I get these errors: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libpam (soname 0, path libpam.so.0, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libncurses.so.5 dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libncurses (soname 5, path libncurses.so.5, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libXext (soname 6, path libXext.so.6, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libX11 (soname 6, path libX11.so.6, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libXrender (soname 1, path libXrender.so.1, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libSM (soname 6, path libSM.so.6, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libICE (soname 6, path libICE.so.6, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libstdc++ (soname 5, path libstdc++.so.5, dependency field Depends) dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libncurses.so.5 dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libncurses (soname 5, path libncurses.so.5, dependency field Depends) dh_gencontrol dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386) dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 All he above packages are installed. From lists at ptfd.org Thu Jan 4 12:31:54 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:31:54 -0500 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org> <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701040731.54792.lists@ptfd.org> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:28, O. Sinclair wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Chris Miller wrote: > >>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed > >>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes in > >>> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the > >>> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black > >>> backdrop). > >>> > >>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save > >>>> files on smb shares? > >>>> > >>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >> > >> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about > >> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in > >> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of > >> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. > >> > >> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a > >> proper check on the boxes I have working. > >> > >> Sinclair > > > > Sinclair, > > > > Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't > > even open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it > > will open read only. > > > > I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's > > home directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any > > desktop in the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I > > just add the parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the > > various users homes? I take it I would have to assign each user account > > on each desktop the same UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow > > with kde to the appropriate home upon login. > > > > Mike > > Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 > server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) > Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string > > 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o > username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, > fmask=0111,dmask=0000' > > then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users > loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't > remember at this moment. > > Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to > mount their shares. > How do you allow the "user" to execute it on login, do you have to edit sudoers? Mike From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 18:14:53 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:14:53 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041120.30195.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041113.50395.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041120.30195.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701041315.01435.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:20, jeremy anderson wrote: > I am constantly burning video > dvds of my kids Maybe you can help me with something else. What do you use to convert the DV from the video recorder to a DVD file structure? dvdauthor? do you use qdvdauthor as a gui? have you found something better? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 4 18:20:01 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:20:01 -0400 Subject: search widget in konqueror References: <200701040951.15149.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041135.29898.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:29, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Even then, the darn thing won't show if I'm >> browsing a directory, only a URL.  Dammit!  I like my konqueror windows >> to stay the same, I don't _want_ to see a difference between browsing the >> local filesystem and a remote web page. > > This was the case with breezy and hoary, too. I didn't mind it because it > appeared in a blank page. Somewhere in there I had a search widget that existed in both. Then I ended up with the URL browser having two (slightly different) search widgets, and I must have got rid of the wrong one (playing with the toolbar menu), because then I had none... -- derek From samp at arial-concept.com Thu Jan 4 18:37:08 2007 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:37:08 +0100 Subject: Wireless connect to CP without WEP Key (Edgy) Message-ID: <459D4954.5070109@arial-concept.com> Hi, On Edgy there is no way to connect to a wireless AP without Key ? I have the ESSID, chanel, and MAC address, how to do that, on Windows I have no problem to connect it with the same machine, and on an other AC with WEP key I succeeded to connect without problem too on Edgy. Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. From fsunoles at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 19:01:12 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:01:12 -0700 Subject: Running an old 32 bit app on AMD64 In-Reply-To: <75db45220701040933r2a716479i22e3723f2174cde2@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701040933r2a716479i22e3723f2174cde2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75db45220701041101x70e6ac7fg9830452fc4732d95@mail.gmail.com> On 1/4/07, Gary Hodges wrote: > I have a program I'm trying to get to run on an AMD64 6.10 machine. I > have an rpm of the program. In the past I've successfully used alien > to install said program, but I'm not getting it done on the AMD64 > machine. > > If I try to install an alien created deb file (created on another > machine), it works with --force-architecture but I get this error when > I try to run it: > > "error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory" > > I have libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev installed . If I try to create > a deb file with alien on the AMD64 machine I get these errors: > > dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for > shared library libpam (soname 0, path libpam.so.0, dependency field ==some deletion== > All he above packages are installed. I was able to install the program using chroot. I followed these directions: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&highlight=32-bit+chroot From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 4 19:14:12 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:14:12 -0500 Subject: Scons do not find KDE includes for Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <459D35B6.50101@videotron.ca> References: <459D35B6.50101@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200701041414.12777.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 04 January 2007 12:13 pm, Mario Frechette wrote: > but I can't figure how to set up the kde includes ?? If I were you, I'd skip all that and get a snapshot of SVN. It's got good bug fixes and a new build system without breaking anything that wasn't broken in 1.4 that I'm aware of, and I just built it on Dapper, so I can tell you how to do it! :) First, get the source. svn co \ https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/trunk/rosegarden Next, download the pre-compiled binary version of the newest CMake (the one in Dapper is too old) cd /tmp wget http://www.cmake.org/files/v2.4/cmake-2.4.5-Linux-i386.sh cd /usr/local sudo sh /tmp/cmake-2.4.5-Linux-i386.sh Answer Y to the GPL, answer N to the next question. (This installs CMake to /usr/local) Now you want to do the following to get your build environment set up. sudo apt-get build-dep rosegarden4 sudo apt-get install \ dssi-* \ sndfile-programs \ xdialog \ lilypond \ flac \ libxml-twig-perl \ fftw3-dev \ liblircclient-dev \ kdialog \ sox \ mpg321 \ liblircclient-dev Now go back to wherever your rosegarden/ directory is and ccmake . I think you press C and then G. The defaults should be good. cmake . make sudo make install You should be good to go, unless I've missed something. I just went through this a few days ago myself on a new Dapper box, and tried to write down the recipe as I went. (I'm a Rosegarden developer, and a Kubuntu user.) My brother-in-law died, and I'm going to be out of town for a couple of days, so forgive me for ignoring any questions you might have, or for leaving something out. -- D. Michael McIntyre From jeremy at jdli.net Thu Jan 4 19:36:30 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (jeremy anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041315.01435.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041120.30195.jeremy@jdli.net> <200701041315.01435.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701041436.31226.jeremy@jdli.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 13:14, Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:20, jeremy anderson wrote: > > I am constantly burning video > > dvds of my kids > > Maybe you can help me with something else. What do you use to convert the > DV from the video recorder to a DVD file structure? dvdauthor? do you use > qdvdauthor as a gui? have you found something better? have you tried the combination of kino and cinellera. Tux magazine #16 has an article on kino. Here is a website that helped my wife and I get started and has some pretty good information. I hope this helps.... http://users.dslextreme.com/~craig.lawson/linux_notes/video.html If I am not fully answering your question I apologize in advance and just write back and I will see if I can help you further. Jeremy From lists at ptfd.org Thu Jan 4 20:42:47 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:42:47 -0500 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org> <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701041542.47664.lists@ptfd.org> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:28, O. Sinclair wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Chris Miller wrote: > >>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed > >>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes in > >>> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the > >>> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black > >>> backdrop). > >>> > >>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save > >>>> files on smb shares? > >>>> > >>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >> > >> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about > >> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in > >> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of > >> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. > >> > >> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a > >> proper check on the boxes I have working. > >> > >> Sinclair > > > > Sinclair, > > > > Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't > > even open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it > > will open read only. > > > > I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's > > home directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any > > desktop in the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I > > just add the parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the > > various users homes? I take it I would have to assign each user account > > on each desktop the same UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow > > with kde to the appropriate home upon login. > > > > Mike > > Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 > server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) > Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string > > 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o > username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, > fmask=0111,dmask=0000' > > then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users > loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't > remember at this moment. > > Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to > mount their shares. > > Sinclair Is this in your opinion the best and esiest way to share ~home 's so you can login from anywhere in an office? Or would nfs be better? or another better solution? Mike From philsf at ufrj.br Thu Jan 4 20:57:02 2007 From: philsf at ufrj.br (Felipe Figueiredo) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:57:02 -0200 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> Em Friday 29 December 2006 10:32, Tez escreveu: > You have to change the line "default 0" (or similar) to "default saved" > for that to work. Ok, I changed, and now it works... sort of. I lost my default option with that choice. It now boots for the last booted option. Can't I have the best of two cases (i.e., have a default boot option AND be able to choose an option for the next reboot)? regards FF From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 21:02:07 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:02:07 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041436.31226.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041315.01435.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041436.31226.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701041602.08473.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 14:36, jeremy anderson wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 13:14, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:20, jeremy anderson wrote: > > > I am constantly burning video > > > dvds of my kids > > > > Maybe you can help me with something else. What do you use to convert > > the DV from the video recorder to a DVD file structure? dvdauthor? do > > you use qdvdauthor as a gui? have you found something better? > > have you tried the combination of kino and cinellera. > What repository do I need for cinelerra? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 21:04:33 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:04:33 -0500 Subject: search widget in konqueror In-Reply-To: References: <200701040951.15149.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041135.29898.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701041604.34550.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 13:20, Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:29, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Even then, the darn thing won't show if I'm > >> browsing a directory, only a URL.  Dammit!  I like my konqueror windows > >> to stay the same, I don't _want_ to see a difference between browsing > >> the local filesystem and a remote web page. > > > > This was the case with breezy and hoary, too. I didn't mind it because > > it appeared in a blank page. > > Somewhere in there I had a search widget that existed in both. Then I > ended up with the URL browser having two (slightly different) search > widgets, and I must have got rid of the wrong one (playing with the toolbar > menu), because then I had none... That reminds me. I had two for a while too. Back in hoary I believe. I remember enabling something to get it and then having two. Disabling it again and then having one. I like KDE-brand konqueror. I hate the way Kubuntu messes with it. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeremy at jdli.net Thu Jan 4 21:18:09 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (jeremy anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:18:09 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041602.08473.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041436.31226.jeremy@jdli.net> <200701041602.08473.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701041618.09392.jeremy@jdli.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 16:02, Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 14:36, jeremy anderson wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 13:14, Art Alexion wrote: > > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:20, jeremy anderson wrote: > > > > I am constantly burning video > > > > dvds of my kids > > > > > > Maybe you can help me with something else. What do you use to convert > > > the DV from the video recorder to a DVD file structure? dvdauthor? do > > > you use qdvdauthor as a gui? have you found something better? > > > > have you tried the combination of kino and cinellera. > > What repository do I need for cinelerra? http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README From claydoh at claydoh.com Thu Jan 4 21:34:28 2007 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (clay weber) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:34:28 -0500 Subject: search widget in konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701041604.34550.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701040951.15149.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041135.29898.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041604.34550.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <459D72E4.8030205@claydoh.com> Art Alexion wrote: > That reminds me. I had two for a while too. Back in hoary I believe. I > remember enabling something to get it and then having two. Disabling it > again and then having one. > > I like KDE-brand konqueror. I hate the way Kubuntu messes with it. > > I think it is that there is a google search and a google suggest http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5255.0 so sort of kinda in a way there really aren't two of them, sort of :) Though how you tell them apart, I couldn't tell you. I only had the dual search boxes in one of my upgrades though. Even if its a little off, I prefer Kubuntu's kde setup over a bone stock kde setup as I have much less to adjust to make it to my liking Clay Weber From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 22:20:26 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:20:26 -0800 Subject: can't play wmv files In-Reply-To: <173212.20532.qm@web60719.mail.yahoo.com> References: <173212.20532.qm@web60719.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: configure mplayer and try a few different video drivers. the x11 plugin works fairly well for me, though I'm running AIGLX. Curiously enough the OpenGL plugins don't work that well... isn't that weird? One would think that with AIGLX going that the GL plugins would work quite nicely.... strange. On 1/2/07, nutchanat sattayakawee wrote: > Hi all, > I have a problem with playing .wmv files. Before, I > could play it. I don't know what's wrong now. > Whenever, I tried to open it with Kaffeine, it > creashed. If I tried mplayer, it said error to > initialize video output device. > > Another problem also annoys me. Why can't I play the > plugin windows media video in konqueror? I mean on the > website. It just doesn't run. > > Can anyone help me? > > Thanks in advance. > Diiar > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From dhcolesj at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 00:19:11 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:19:11 -0600 Subject: upstart going away? Message-ID: <200701041819.12309.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Can anyone tell my why my Adept update wants to remove upstart? Has this project been abandoned for some reason? -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jan 5 00:47:22 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:47:22 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701041618.09392.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041602.08473.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041618.09392.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701041948.00058.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 16:18, jeremy anderson wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 16:02, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 14:36, jeremy anderson wrote: > > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 13:14, Art Alexion wrote: > > > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:20, jeremy anderson wrote: > > > > > I am constantly burning video > > > > > dvds of my kids > > > > > > > > Maybe you can help me with something else. What do you use to > > > > convert the DV from the video recorder to a DVD file structure? > > > > dvdauthor? do you use qdvdauthor as a gui? have you found something > > > > better? > > > > > > have you tried the combination of kino and cinellera. > > > > What repository do I need for cinelerra? > > http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README Thanks. I successfully installed it, now I'm going to give it a try. I already installed kino, but that seems to be designed to edit DV files from cameras and edit and convert them to things like mpegs, etc. Doesn't seem to work with files already in mpeg or avi format. Am I missing something with that? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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What do you use to > > > > > convert the DV from the video recorder to a DVD file structure? > > > > > dvdauthor? do you use qdvdauthor as a gui? have you found > > > > > something better? > > > > > > > > have you tried the combination of kino and cinellera. > > > > > > What repository do I need for cinelerra? > > > > http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README > > Thanks. I successfully installed it, now I'm going to give it a try. > > I already installed kino, but that seems to be designed to edit DV files > from cameras and edit and convert them to things like mpegs, etc. Doesn't > seem to work with files already in mpeg or avi format. Am I missing > something with that? http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_5.html#SEC63 From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 5 02:44:15 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:44:15 +0000 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> Message-ID: <459DBB7F.6090201@blueyonder.co.uk> Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > Em Friday 29 December 2006 10:32, Tez escreveu: > >> You have to change the line "default 0" (or similar) to "default saved" >> for that to work. >> > > > Ok, I changed, and now it works... sort of. I lost my default option with that > choice. > > It now boots for the last booted option. Can't I have the best of two cases > (i.e., have a default boot option AND be able to choose an option for the > next reboot)? > > regards > FF > I'm not sure exactly, the option for the next boot is stored in a file (/boot/grub/default), that's how grub knows what to choose. You can add the line "savedefault" to the end of the menu entry in menu.lst to make that option the default on next boot. Or, you can also use the command 'grub-set-default' to set the default for the next reboot. I suppose you could add that command to /etc/rc.local, so after boot it will be reset to whatever option you want to be default unless you choose another one before reboot. So if you add: grub-set-default 0 to /etc/rc.local, then after boot it will grub will be reset to choose the 1st menu item when you reboot. If you choose another option before reboot then that one will be chosen instead. let me know if it works :-) Tez From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 03:50:38 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:50:38 +0200 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <200701041542.47664.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org> <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> <200701041542.47664.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <459DCB0E.8010808@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:28, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Chris Miller wrote: >>>>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed >>>>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes in >>>>> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the >>>>> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black >>>>> backdrop). >>>>> >>>>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>>>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save >>>>>> files on smb shares? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about >>>> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in >>>> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of >>>> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. >>>> >>>> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a >>>> proper check on the boxes I have working. >>>> >>>> Sinclair >>> Sinclair, >>> >>> Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't >>> even open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it >>> will open read only. >>> >>> I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's >>> home directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any >>> desktop in the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I >>> just add the parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the >>> various users homes? I take it I would have to assign each user account >>> on each desktop the same UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow >>> with kde to the appropriate home upon login. >>> >>> Mike >> Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 >> server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) >> Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string >> >> 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o >> username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, >> fmask=0111,dmask=0000' >> >> then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users >> loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't >> remember at this moment. >> >> Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to >> mount their shares. >> >> Sinclair > > Is this in your opinion the best and esiest way to share ~home 's so you can > login from anywhere in an office? Or would nfs be better? or another better > solution? > > Mike From anywhere in the office it is not a good working solution as I see it since you have to set up these scripts "everywhere". I would then rather go nfs or even simply downgrade the server to W2000 server - if that is an option... note the problem is def. Ooo, smb and KDE - in Gnome Ubuntu this is a non-existent problem. That is why I thought to gnome vfs might help. I had it working at one time but you had to give username/password a couple of times extra. I have never managed to mount an smb share on a W2003 server so that Ooo can open r/w using fstab etc. Sadly. So if users are not KDE-addicted you could opt for Gnome Ubuntu instead, I am no hardliner myself. Sinclair > From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 03:52:45 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:52:45 +0200 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <200701040731.54792.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200612291318.20686.lists@ptfd.org> <459A33EB.4010009@gmail.com> <200701040731.54792.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <459DCB8D.7080802@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:28, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Chris Miller wrote: >>>>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed >>>>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes in >>>>> my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in the >>>>> swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety black >>>>> backdrop). >>>>> >>>>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>>>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save >>>>>> files on smb shares? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped about >>>> the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in >>>> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead of >>>> smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. >>>> >>>> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a >>>> proper check on the boxes I have working. >>>> >>>> Sinclair >>> Sinclair, >>> >>> Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it won't >>> even open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and gnome-vfs it >>> will open read only. >>> >>> I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's >>> home directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any >>> desktop in the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can I >>> just add the parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the >>> various users homes? I take it I would have to assign each user account >>> on each desktop the same UID, and then set it up to authenticate somehow >>> with kde to the appropriate home upon login. >>> >>> Mike >> Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 >> server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) >> Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string >> >> 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o >> username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, >> fmask=0111,dmask=0000' >> >> then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users >> loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't >> remember at this moment. >> >> Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to >> mount their shares. >> > > How do you allow the "user" to execute it on login, do you have to edit > sudoers? > > Mike Sorry unclear about that, you have to be logged in as the user in question when you do this setup. Sinclair > From jjesse at iserv.net Fri Jan 5 04:01:38 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:01:38 -0500 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu Message-ID: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work and need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. 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I would like to, went to the kubuntu.org page, and couldn't really figure out how to post a bug. Pathetic, I know, but it was easier to find a work-around than to figure out how to post a bug report. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 5 04:26:37 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:26:37 +0000 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> Message-ID: <459DD37D.8000301@blueyonder.co.uk> Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work and need to > run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB 2.0 drive that is > currently formatted in NTFS. > > How do delete everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better > filesystem for running such a large USB drive on? > > If the device is called sda1 (you can check /var/log/messages), then you would run: sudo mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 that will format the 1st partition on the drive as ext3 Tez From daniel at rimspace.net Fri Jan 5 05:40:02 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:40:02 +1100 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> Message-ID: <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> "Jonathan Jesse" writes: > Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work > and need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB > 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. How do delete > everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better filesystem > for running such a large USB drive on? Well, pretty easily: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXXX # replace XXX with your device node You might also want to use VFAT for compatibility with other platforms, even if it is slightly less useful on the same machine. Do be warned that most real Unix file systems are not that usefully portable to other Unix machines -- no translation of UID values happens, so unless your users are identical they can be difficult to use. Anyway, if you choose VFAT the solution is: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdXXX That solution also works for other file systems, using the obvious convention to locate the appropriate formatting tool. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Fri Jan 5 06:47:25 2007 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:47:25 -0500 Subject: Kate spell checking Message-ID: <200701050147.25746.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> I found an older thread from October on this while searching google. It complains with, "The spelling program could not be started. Please make sure you have set the correct spelling program and that it is properly configured and in your PATH." Apparently when I load a .php file it won't spellcheck. As soon as I toss in the stuff into the editor it will no longer spellcheck :( -- | Jason Straight | SkyCon.net 231-627-3528 | Jabber: leejunfan at jabber.org | Yahoo: jasonrstraight | ICQ: 1796276 | MSN: glock21-45cal at hotmail.com | AIM: JasonRStraight From james at gray.net.au Fri Jan 5 06:48:11 2007 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:48:11 +1100 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> Daniel Pittman wrote: > "Jonathan Jesse" writes: > >> Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work >> and need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB >> 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. How do delete >> everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better filesystem >> for running such a large USB drive on? > > Well, pretty easily: > > sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXXX # replace XXX with your device node I'd caution against using a journaling file system (ext3/reiserfs/jfs/xfs) on a USB drive as these formats tend to require a bit more I/O bandwidth than their non-journaling cousins (ext3/vfat/etc). When you're operating on a bandwidth-challenged bus (like USB) the difference between journaling and not-journaling can be quite noticeable. If you REALLY need the journal, then by all means use it...but be aware of the overheads. YYMV, James From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 5 06:59:01 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:59:01 +0000 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <459DF735.3030906@blueyonder.co.uk> James Gray wrote: > Daniel Pittman wrote: > >> "Jonathan Jesse" writes: >> >> >>> Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work >>> and need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB >>> 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. How do delete >>> everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better filesystem >>> for running such a large USB drive on? >>> >> Well, pretty easily: >> >> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXXX # replace XXX with your device node >> > > I'd caution against using a journaling file system > (ext3/reiserfs/jfs/xfs) on a USB drive as these formats tend to require > a bit more I/O bandwidth than their non-journaling cousins > (ext3/vfat/etc). When you're operating on a bandwidth-challenged bus > (like USB) the difference between journaling and not-journaling can be > quite noticeable. > > If you REALLY need the journal, then by all means use it...but be aware > of the overheads. > > YYMV, > > James > > Yes, that's a point, but you can still use ext2 (same as ext3, but without journal), just remove the '-j' from the command. Tez From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 5 07:08:51 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:08:51 +0000 Subject: Kate spell checking In-Reply-To: <200701050147.25746.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <200701050147.25746.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <459DF983.3090601@blueyonder.co.uk> Jason Straight wrote: > I found an older thread from October on this while searching google. It > complains with, "The spelling program could not be started. Please make sure > you have set the correct spelling program and that it is properly configured > and in your PATH." > > Apparently when I load a .php file it won't spellcheck. As soon as I toss in > the stuff into the editor it will no longer spellcheck :( > > > It happens with any type of script, you should still be able to access spellcheck from the "Tools" menu. Tez From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 12:33:28 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:33:28 +0200 Subject: System notification sounds "gone" Message-ID: <459E4598.40409@gmail.com> Suddenly something happened to my System Notifications! I like the little sounds from stuff like Kopete etc. but they are all now dead silent and if I try and play them via System Settings / system notifications nothing is heard! Amarok, Kaffeine etc works fine though? Any assistance is as usual appreciated.... Sinclair From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Fri Jan 5 13:12:11 2007 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:12:11 +0000 Subject: New users - possible problems Message-ID: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> There has been some discussion recently about getting computer users off Windows and on to Linux. I think that is a great idea. However I suggest that some help and hand-holding will be required. Here are some thoughts that I recently set down. **************************************************************************** Setting up Kubuntu Edgy. There has been some chat recently about getting Windows users to migrate to Linux with particular reference to Kubuntu. I have used Linux for years I installed Edgy the day that it came out and I have been pleased so far. It might be interesting to look at the changes and tweaks that I have made so far. My point is that as it installed out of the box so to speak, it was not yet ready for me. It worked, of course, but I had to do quite a bit of customisation before I was happy with it. What will people new to Linux think I wonder. *** Please note that these are not criticisms, merely some thoughts and comments re possible problems for people new to Linux *** First of all I made the Num Lock turn on at log on. The default to have it off seems odd to me. I could not see any files in the root folder so, with help from the group, I sorted that out. I had some problems with my browsers (Firefox and Galeon) Again with help I traced this to having IPv6 enabled. With help from the group I disabled it and all is now well. New users could find this rather obscure and difficult to sort out. I had to add extra repositories before I could see a complete list of available files. I had a floppy drive in my new computer (I know, but it was there) and it took a while and quite a lot of help from the group to get it working. Adding new files using Adept seemed fine, but I had to learn to deal with packages that needed me to answer some questions along the way. At first I thought it had died on me. My printer was found OK, but I couldn't get any utilities to work with it (eg checking ink quantity) at first. Eventually I installed escputil and all is now well. There were no icons on the desktop at all. OK, some people like to work that way. I suggest that those new to Linux will want and expect to find some icons already there. I have added a few for myself (26 in fact). They were fairly easy to set up except for Home. I had to be pointed in the right place for that one. I like using a terminal screen. I had to add the necessary icon in Konqueror so that I can call it up from any folder. And yes, I do often use alt-F2. I couldn't get any sounds at first. Luckily I knew about Kmix. I found that everything was switched off. Seems strange. Anyway, I got it sorted out but a newcomer to Linux is going to be baffled I suggest. ********************************************************************************* As I say, just some first thoughts. We need to look after any newcomers, agreed?? Neil Winchurst From jjesse at iserv.net Fri Jan 5 13:16:33 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:16:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > Daniel Pittman wrote: >> "Jonathan Jesse" writes: >> >>> Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work >>> and need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB >>> 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. How do delete >>> everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better filesystem >>> for running such a large USB drive on? >> >> Well, pretty easily: >> >> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXXX # replace XXX with your device node > > I'd caution against using a journaling file system > (ext3/reiserfs/jfs/xfs) on a USB drive as these formats tend to require > a bit more I/O bandwidth than their non-journaling cousins > (ext3/vfat/etc). When you're operating on a bandwidth-challenged bus > (like USB) the difference between journaling and not-journaling can be > quite noticeable. > > If you REALLY need the journal, then by all means use it...but be aware > of the overheads. > > YYMV, > > James > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > SO will vfat support up to 120gigs? Or is there a limit? -- Jonathan Jesse From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 5 13:21:28 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:21:28 +0000 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> Jonathan Jesse wrote: >> Daniel Pittman wrote: >> >>> "Jonathan Jesse" writes: >>> >>> >>>> Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work >>>> and need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB >>>> 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. How do delete >>>> everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better filesystem >>>> for running such a large USB drive on? >>>> >>> Well, pretty easily: >>> >>> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXXX # replace XXX with your device node >>> >> I'd caution against using a journaling file system >> (ext3/reiserfs/jfs/xfs) on a USB drive as these formats tend to require >> a bit more I/O bandwidth than their non-journaling cousins >> (ext3/vfat/etc). When you're operating on a bandwidth-challenged bus >> (like USB) the difference between journaling and not-journaling can be >> quite noticeable. >> >> If you REALLY need the journal, then by all means use it...but be aware >> of the overheads. >> >> YYMV, >> >> James >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > SO will vfat support up to 120gigs? Or is there a limit? > > I think vfat (fat32) only supports up to 32GB partitions Tez From oli at aurait.eu Fri Jan 5 13:22:51 2007 From: oli at aurait.eu (Olivier Picquenot) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:22:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <59181.195.6.79.14.1168003371.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> >> > SO will vfat support up to 120gigs? Or is there a limit? > It will support 120GB. The limit's much higher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table Lists the limit as being 8TB for FAT32. Also, to format disks with a GUI I'd suggest qtparted or gparted. Regards, Olivier From oli at aurait.eu Fri Jan 5 13:24:27 2007 From: oli at aurait.eu (Olivier Picquenot) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:24:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> >>> >>> >> SO will vfat support up to 120gigs? Or is there a limit? >> >> > I think vfat (fat32) only supports up to 32GB partitions > > Tez > It supports muche more than 32GB, cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table But: "Windows 2000 and Windows XP can read and write to FAT32 filesystems of any size, but the format program on these platforms can only create FAT32 filesystems up to 32 GB. Thompson and Thompson (2003) write[5] that “Bizarrely, Microsoft states that this behavior is by design.” Microsoft's knowledge base article 184006[4] indeed confirms the limitation and the by design statement, but gives no rationale or explanation. Peter Norton's opinion[6] is that “Microsoft has intentionally crippled the FAT32 file system." Regards, Olivier From jjesse at iserv.net Fri Jan 5 13:33:57 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:33:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> Message-ID: <44151.198.105.65.197.1168004037.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> >>>> >>>> >>> SO will vfat support up to 120gigs? Or is there a limit? >>> >>> >> I think vfat (fat32) only supports up to 32GB partitions >> >> Tez >> > > It supports muche more than 32GB, cf > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table > But: > "Windows 2000 and Windows XP can read and write to FAT32 filesystems of > any size, but the format program on these platforms can only create FAT32 > filesystems up to 32 GB. Thompson and Thompson (2003) write[5] that > “Bizarrely, Microsoft states that this behavior is by design.” Microsoft's > knowledge base article 184006[4] indeed confirms the limitation and the by > design statement, but gives no rationale or explanation. Peter Norton's > opinion[6] is that “Microsoft has intentionally crippled the FAT32 file > system." > > Regards, > Olivier > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > That's interesting, will i then be able to use a 120gig formated drive in a windows environment? -- Jonathan Jesse From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 5 02:38:47 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:38:47 -0400 Subject: upstart going away? References: <200701041819.12309.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > Can anyone tell my why my Adept update wants to remove upstart? > Has this project been abandoned for some reason? Nope. But something's probably trying to push sysvinit on you... -- derek From oli at aurait.eu Fri Jan 5 13:44:15 2007 From: oli at aurait.eu (Olivier Picquenot) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:44:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <44151.198.105.65.197.1168004037.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> <44151.198.105.65.197.1168004037.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <59714.195.6.79.14.1168004655.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> > That's interesting, will i then be able to use a 120gig formated drive in > a windows environment? > > -- > Jonathan Jesse > Yes you will. Olivier PICQUENOT From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 5 02:37:24 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:37:24 -0400 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> Message-ID: <48q074-bqe.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca> Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > Em Friday 29 December 2006 10:32, Tez escreveu: >> You have to change the line "default 0" (or similar) to "default saved" >> for that to work. > > > Ok, I changed, and now it works... sort of. I lost my default option with > that choice. > > It now boots for the last booted option. Can't I have the best of two > cases (i.e., have a default boot option AND be able to choose an option > for the next reboot)? > Yes. grub-reboot does that. It just doesn't do it nearly as well as lilo. -- derek From jjesse at iserv.net Fri Jan 5 13:54:51 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:54:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <59714.195.6.79.14.1168004655.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> <15899.198.105.65.197.1168002993.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> <44151.198.105.65.197.1168004037.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <59714.195.6.79.14.1168004655.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> Message-ID: <33673.198.105.65.197.1168005291.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > >> That's interesting, will i then be able to use a 120gig formated drive >> in >> a windows environment? >> >> -- >> Jonathan Jesse >> > > Yes you will. > > Olivier PICQUENOT > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Thank you all very much for your help :) -- Jonathan Jesse From rwallace at sunyrockland.edu Fri Jan 5 13:57:38 2007 From: rwallace at sunyrockland.edu (rwallace at sunyrockland.edu) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:57:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: New users - possible problems In-Reply-To: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <1172.24.161.117.4.1168005458.squirrel@imap1.sunyrockland.edu> I agree VERY STRONGLY. I think that there are two things that are still keeping Linux from taking off. The first is peripherals still not having good drivers, and the second is that experienced Linux users seem to think that the world was born being able to write shell scripts. 90% of computer users still don't know what a shell script is. Linux is a lot safer than XP and the world is now full of still usable machines that have Windows installs on them that Microsoft no longer supports. Why should a company dump all of it's pentium 2 processors when their people are only doing word processing on them? Why should a company on a tight budget like a government entity or maybe a college student have to pay $100 per machine just to upgrade windows? The world is ready for Linux, but Linux is still a bit less than ready for the world. You still can't get streaming video working in Kubuntu right out of the box, and that is as far as the average computer user can go. > There has been some discussion recently about getting computer users off > Windows and on to Linux. I think that is a great idea. However I suggest > that some help and hand-holding will be required. Here are some thoughts > that I recently set down. > > **************************************************************************** > > Setting up Kubuntu Edgy. > > There has been some chat recently about getting Windows users to migrate > to Linux with particular reference to Kubuntu. I have used Linux for > years I installed Edgy the day that it came out and I have been pleased > so far. It might be interesting to look at the changes and tweaks that I > have made so far. My point is that as it installed out of the box so to > speak, it was not yet ready for me. It worked, of course, but I had to > do quite a bit of customisation before I was happy with it. What will > people new to Linux think I wonder. > > *** Please note that these are not criticisms, merely some thoughts and > comments re possible problems for people new to Linux *** > > > > First of all I made the Num Lock turn on at log on. The default to have > it off seems odd to me. > > I could not see any files in the root folder so, with help from the > group, I sorted that out. > > I had some problems with my browsers (Firefox and Galeon) Again with > help I traced this to having IPv6 enabled. With help from the group I > disabled it and all is now well. New users could find this rather > obscure and difficult to sort out. > > I had to add extra repositories before I could see a complete list of > available files. > > I had a floppy drive in my new computer (I know, but it was there) and > it took a while and quite a lot of help from the group to get it working. > > Adding new files using Adept seemed fine, but I had to learn to deal > with packages that needed me to answer some questions along the way. At > first I thought it had died on me. > > My printer was found OK, but I couldn't get any utilities to work with > it (eg checking ink quantity) at first. Eventually I installed escputil > and all is now well. > > There were no icons on the desktop at all. OK, some people like to work > that way. I suggest that those new to Linux will want and expect to > find some icons already there. I have added a few for myself (26 in > fact). They were fairly easy to set up except for Home. I had to be > pointed in the right place for that one. > > I like using a terminal screen. I had to add the necessary icon in > Konqueror so that I can call it up from any folder. And yes, I do often > use alt-F2. > > I couldn't get any sounds at first. Luckily I knew about Kmix. I found > that everything was switched off. Seems strange. Anyway, I got it sorted > out but a newcomer to Linux is going to be baffled I suggest. > > ********************************************************************************* > > > As I say, just some first thoughts. We need to look after any newcomers, > agreed?? > > Neil Winchurst > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jan 5 14:01:57 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:01:57 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701042127.16410.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701041948.00058.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701042127.16410.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701050902.06144.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 21:27, Jeremy Anderson wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 19:47, Art Alexion wrote: > > Thanks. I successfully installed it, now I'm going to give it a try. > > > > I already installed kino, but that seems to be designed to edit DV files > > from cameras and edit and convert them to things like mpegs, etc. > > Doesn't seem to work with files already in mpeg or avi format. Am I > > missing something with that? > > http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_5.html >#SEC63 Thanks for the link. I was going to go looking for a manual an tutorial next. Any good tutorials you can recommend? My above question was aimed more at kino. I don't have a dv camcorder. Most of the files I will be working with are already in mpeg or avi format. I want a gui program that foremost converts them to VIDEO_TS and secondarily might allow me to create DVD menus. Do I even need kino? Will cinelerra do what I want? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It invokes grub to actually rebuild the boot sector, when grub-set-default will simply change which option is chosen automatically. grub-reboot will _force_ that option to be chosen (no timeout) but grub-set-default is much simpler. After all, the only reason I'd usually use it is because I have a bad tendency to forget to choose a new option when the system restarts. A little gui that would read menu.lst, give you the text names of all the menu options and let you select one, would be nice. -- derek From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 5 14:13:51 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:13:51 +0000 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> <459DBB7F.6090201@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <459E5D1F.9000805@blueyonder.co.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Tez wrote: > > >> I'm not sure exactly, the option for the next boot is stored in a file >> (/boot/grub/default), that's how grub knows what to choose. >> You can add the line "savedefault" to the end of the menu entry in >> menu.lst to make that option the default on next boot. >> Or, you can also use the command 'grub-set-default' to set the default >> for the next reboot. >> > > Beats the heck out of me why grub-reboot goes through such convolutions. It > invokes grub to actually rebuild the boot sector, when grub-set-default > will simply change which option is chosen automatically. > > grub-reboot will _force_ that option to be chosen (no timeout) but > grub-set-default is much simpler. After all, the only reason I'd usually > use it is because I have a bad tendency to forget to choose a new option > when the system restarts. > > A little gui that would read menu.lst, give you the text names of all the > menu options and let you select one, would be nice. > There is a little GUI that dose that, when you click log out from the Kmenu you have to set boot manager to grub in system settings -> Login Manager, Shutdown then you have all the menu items in a drop down list. Tez From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 5 13:55:09 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:55:09 -0400 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <87r6uam3pp.fsf@rimspace.net> <459DF4AB.1050003@gray.net.au> Message-ID: James Gray wrote: > Daniel Pittman wrote: >> "Jonathan Jesse" writes: >> >>> I have an 120 gig USB >>> 2.0 drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. How do delete >>> everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better filesystem >>> for running such a large USB drive on? >> >> Well, pretty easily: >> >> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXXX # replace XXX with your device node > > I'd caution against using a journaling file system > (ext3/reiserfs/jfs/xfs) on a USB drive as these formats tend to require > a bit more I/O bandwidth than their non-journaling cousins > (ext3/vfat/etc). When you're operating on a bandwidth-challenged bus > (like USB) the difference between journaling and not-journaling can be > quite noticeable. > > If you REALLY need the journal, then by all means use it...but be aware > of the overheads. I'm afraid I just treat journalling as a black box, but is it not actually possible to put the journal on a different device? That would seem to be a win/win - with the caveat that remounting that device on another system could then get _really_ ugly. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jan 5 14:24:35 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:24:35 -0500 Subject: search widget in konqueror In-Reply-To: References: <200701040951.15149.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701041135.29898.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701050924.44747.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 January 2007 13:20, Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:29, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Even then, the darn thing won't show if I'm > >> browsing a directory, only a URL.  Dammit!  I like my konqueror windows > >> to stay the same, I don't _want_ to see a difference between browsing > >> the local filesystem and a remote web page. > > > > This was the case with breezy and hoary, too. I didn't mind it because > > it appeared in a blank page. > > Somewhere in there I had a search widget that existed in both. Then I > ended up with the URL browser having two (slightly different) search > widgets, and I must have got rid of the wrong one (playing with the toolbar > menu), because then I had none... FOUND IT! Settings->Extensions->Tools -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Jan 5 14:51:02 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:51:02 -0700 Subject: Audicity problem Message-ID: <200701050751.02758.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> OK I screwed up again I could not get Audicity to initialize the audio layer a reboot did not solve it so I decided to remove it completely and then reinstall it It got removed but I am unable to reinstall it -- Registered Linux Mangler #003 Some people lean from books some people learn fro experience and some people just keep peeing on the electric fence Will Rodgers From jeremy at jdli.net Fri Jan 5 15:27:32 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (jeremy anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:27:32 -0500 Subject: The kubuntu annoyance In-Reply-To: <200701050902.06144.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <36135600701020327q39102eb3xf2d337b3ceabe613@mail.gmail.com> <200701042127.16410.jeremy@jdli.net> <200701050902.06144.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701051027.32940.jeremy@jdli.net> On Friday 05 January 2007 09:01, Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 21:27, Jeremy Anderson wrote: > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 19:47, Art Alexion wrote: > > > Thanks. I successfully installed it, now I'm going to give it a try. > > > > > > I already installed kino, but that seems to be designed to edit DV > > > files from cameras and edit and convert them to things like mpegs, etc. > > > Doesn't seem to work with files already in mpeg or avi format. Am I > > > missing something with that? > > > > http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_5.ht > >ml #SEC63 > > Thanks for the link. I was going to go looking for a manual an tutorial > next. Any good tutorials you can recommend? > > My above question was aimed more at kino. I don't have a dv camcorder. > Most of the files I will be working with are already in mpeg or avi format. > I want a gui program that foremost converts them to VIDEO_TS and > secondarily might allow me to create DVD menus. Do I even need kino? Will > cinelerra do what I want? I will have to ask the wife. I don't do those kind of conversions very often or at all really. I will have to get back to you this weekend. Jeremy From ejviolet at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 17:20:21 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Konqueror to FireFox Bookmarks Message-ID: <20070105172021.6731.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know of a way to move Konqueror bookmarks to FireFox? Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From m-wright at eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 17:30:07 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:30:07 -0800 Subject: Can I change the Konqueror FTP-Xfer Menu? In-Reply-To: <459CC88A.8060905@myrealbox.com> References: <200701032013.26826.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <459CC88A.8060905@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200701050930.07710.m-wright@eskimo.com> I'm running Kubuntu 6.06 LTS on a Toshiba Satellite laptop that has no parallel port. I'm using the USB port to connect to my HP LaserJet4+ printer, but I don't see a driver for that printer in the downloads I've found in the repositories. Is there one out there? The hardware I have lashed together worked fine for printing from RedHat 8. Thanks, Maynard From garryknight at gmx.net Fri Jan 5 17:42:24 2007 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:42:24 +0000 Subject: Konqueror to FireFox Bookmarks References: <20070105172021.6731.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Earl Violet wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to move Konqueror bookmarks to FireFox? In Konqueror, go to Bookmarks, Edit Bookmarks. In the Bookmark Editor window, go to File, Export, Export to Mozilla Bookmarks. You'll want to save them in ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/bookmarks.html, where the xxxxxxxx is a series of characters unique to your Firefox profile. -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From m-wright at eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 17:41:09 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:41:09 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu driver for HP LaserJet4+ Message-ID: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> I'm resending this message with its own subject line. I didn't really mean to hijack the other thread for something entirely unrelated. Sorry. Maynard -------------------------------------- I'm running Kubuntu 6.06 LTS on a Toshiba Satellite laptop that has no parallel port.  I'm using the USB port to connect to my HP LaserJet4+ printer, but I don't see a driver for that printer in the downloads I've found in the repositories.  Is there one out there?  The hardware I have lashed together worked fine for printing from RedHat 8. Thanks, Maynard From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 18:43:30 2007 From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 02:43:30 +0800 Subject: Konqueror to FireFox Bookmarks In-Reply-To: References: <20070105172021.6731.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701060243.30468.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> On Saturday 06 January 2007 01:42, Garry Knight wrote: > > ... You'll want to > save them in ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/bookmarks.html, where the > xxxxxxxx is a series of characters unique to your Firefox profile. Actually, you could save them anywhere. Firefox has its own bookmark manager (Bookmarks menu -> Organize Bookmarks) and can import those bookmarks from a file, without overwriting existing bookmarks. Regards, Juan Carlos Torres -- http://jucato.org/ From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 5 18:51:13 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:51:13 -0400 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> <459DBB7F.6090201@blueyonder.co.uk> <459E5D1F.9000805@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> Tez wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> A little gui that would read menu.lst, give you the text names of all the >> menu options and let you select one, would be nice. >> > There is a little GUI that dose that, when you click log out from the > Kmenu you have to set boot manager to grub in system settings -> Login > Manager, Shutdown > then you have all the menu items in a drop down list. Cool! Of course, it's yet another item that doesn't show in my "System Settings" applet, only in kControl. When do I get the dropdown list? On the "End Session for ..." popup, I still see the usual "End Current Session", "Turn off...", "Restart...", "Suspend..." (interesting since my laptop doesn't _have_ suspend) & "Hibernate..." options. I don't much want to test it by clicking on "Turn off" or "Restart" at this time... -- derek From 03taxi at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 19:12:18 2007 From: 03taxi at gmail.com (Michel) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:12:18 +0100 Subject: New users - possible problems In-Reply-To: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701052012.18454.03taxi@gmail.com> On Friday 05 January 2007 14:12, Neil Winchurst wrote: > There has been some discussion recently about getting computer users off > Windows and on to Linux. I think that is a great idea. However I suggest > that some help and hand-holding will be required. Here are some thoughts > that I recently set down. > > *************************************************************************** >* > > Setting up Kubuntu Edgy. > > There has been some chat recently about getting Windows users to migrate > to Linux with particular reference to Kubuntu. I have used Linux for > years I installed Edgy the day that it came out and I have been pleased > so far. It might be interesting to look at the changes and tweaks that I > have made so far. My point is that as it installed out of the box so to > speak, it was not yet ready for me. It worked, of course, but I had to > do quite a bit of customisation before I was happy with it. What will > people new to Linux think I wonder. > a list of linux programs that can replace windows programs eg. nero == k3b m$ office == ooo ...... -- Google: your number one source of not sounding retarded. From lure at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 5 20:14:56 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:14:56 +0100 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <459E5D1F.9000805@blueyonder.co.uk> <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> Message-ID: <200701052114.56560.lure@ubuntu.com> On Friday 05 January 2007 19:51, Derek Broughton wrote: > Cool! Of course, it's yet another item that doesn't show in my "System > Settings" applet, only in kControl. When do I get the dropdown list? On > the "End Session for ..." popup, I still see the usual "End Current > Session", "Turn off...", "Restart...", "Suspend..." (interesting since my > laptop doesn't _have_ suspend) & "Hibernate..." options. I don't much want > to test it by clicking on "Turn off" or "Restart" at this time... Logout dialog present Suspend and Hibernate options depending on what HAL claims that your HW supports. You can check this from command line by calling: lshal | grep can_suspend In Feisty, it will be also possible to disable suspend/hibernate options in Logout dialog and Guidance Power Manager completely with config file (this will be used on Live CD where suspend/hibernate cannot work properly). Regards, Luka From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 5 22:10:44 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:10:44 -0500 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <459E50D8.4060900@blueyonder.co.uk> <59210.195.6.79.14.1168003467.squirrel@webmail.empirebongo.eu> Message-ID: <200701051710.44152.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Regardless of who says what I am presently running a 65+ GB harddrive as single VFAT partition... Larry Hartman On Friday 05 January 2007 08:24, Olivier Picquenot wrote: > >> SO will vfat support up to 120gigs? Or is there a limit? > > > > I think vfat (fat32) only supports up to 32GB partitions > > > > Tez > > It supports muche more than 32GB, cf > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table > But: > "Windows 2000 and Windows XP can read and write to FAT32 filesystems of > any size, but the format program on these platforms can only create FAT32 > filesystems up to 32 GB. Thompson and Thompson (2003) write[5] that > “Bizarrely, Microsoft states that this behavior is by design.” Microsoft's > knowledge base article 184006[4] indeed confirms the limitation and the by > design statement, but gives no rationale or explanation. Peter Norton's > opinion[6] is that “Microsoft has intentionally crippled the FAT32 file > system." > > Regards, > Olivier From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 5 22:14:44 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:14:44 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu driver for HP LaserJet4+ In-Reply-To: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <200701051714.44911.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Hah! Another thread hijacker like me, I love it! You are forgiven my friend! Larry On Friday 05 January 2007 12:41, Maynard Wright wrote: > I'm resending this message with its own subject line. I didn't really mean > to hijack the other thread for something entirely unrelated. Sorry. > > Maynard > > -------------------------------------- > > I'm running Kubuntu 6.06 LTS on a Toshiba Satellite laptop that has no > parallel port.  I'm using the USB port to connect to my HP LaserJet4+ > printer, but I don't see a driver for that printer in the downloads I've > found in the repositories.  Is there one out there?  The hardware I have > lashed together worked fine for printing from RedHat 8. > > Thanks, > > Maynard From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 5 22:43:39 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:43:39 -0500 Subject: New users - possible problems In-Reply-To: <200701052012.18454.03taxi@gmail.com> References: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200701052012.18454.03taxi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701051743.39441.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> I am a fairly new user myself. I tried Linux three years ago (libra) and it was very robust at the time, but completely overwhelming due to the things that I had to learn all at once. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has made that learning curve much more managable. I am not afraid to get my hands dirty with technology, so I jumped right in and promptly, unintentionally, and inadvertantly destroyed my MS partition! I wanted to run dual boot for a while, but was forced by these events to take on Linux all at once. As a result, when I introduced a friend on mine to Linux I was able to walk him through how to install dual boot properly. I spent lots of time on various forum pages getting gadgets and gizmos on my laptop to function, and not only function, but function farely transparent/automatically to me. Afterall I did not spend money on a computer to serve it, but to have it serve me. I still have a ways to go, but have learned enough to determine that Kubuntu is a keeper and I am once again back to doing productive work with my computer. I did note one difference between Dapper and Edgy that is subtle but significant to new users. Edgy did do a better job at my hardware recognition and setup, and as a result I had much less manual tweaking to do with shells, scripts, and *.conf files. I can not speak much about other distributions, but with Ubuntu, nearly all of the answers I needed was on the Ubuntu/Kubuntu forums and WIKIs with a little digging. Perhaps a good early lesson for new users is how to research topics on the forum and WIKI pages.... Right now it would be very hard for me to return to MS after what I know about the strategic directions MS is taking and with the quality of opensource software that is available in Linux. Larry Hartman On Friday 05 January 2007 14:12, Michel wrote: > On Friday 05 January 2007 14:12, Neil Winchurst wrote: > > There has been some discussion recently about getting computer users off > > Windows and on to Linux. I think that is a great idea. However I suggest > > that some help and hand-holding will be required. Here are some thoughts > > that I recently set down. > > > > ************************************************************************* > >** * > > > > Setting up Kubuntu Edgy. > > > > There has been some chat recently about getting Windows users to migrate > > to Linux with particular reference to Kubuntu. I have used Linux for > > years I installed Edgy the day that it came out and I have been pleased > > so far. It might be interesting to look at the changes and tweaks that I > > have made so far. My point is that as it installed out of the box so to > > speak, it was not yet ready for me. It worked, of course, but I had to > > do quite a bit of customisation before I was happy with it. What will > > people new to Linux think I wonder. > > > a list of linux programs that can replace windows programs > eg. nero == k3b > m$ office == ooo > ...... > > -- > Google: your number one source of not sounding retarded. From lokeey at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 23:18:38 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:18:38 -0600 Subject: Free eBooks Message-ID: hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, but i didn't want to thread jack the "new users" posting. here's a site that has loads of FREE ebooks that you can download. you'll have to register with an email address and they will send you your passwd. so for you new users out there, they have loads of ebooks that normally cost anywhere from $30 - $60 for Free that will help you in your quest to learn more about linux and the likes of scripting and all other good things linux. i've been using linux since the red hat 5.x days and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i was. i can get around very well and i understand lots of things, but after a while i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books to get my answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! http://www.pdfchm.com/ -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 1/5/07, Lokeey wrote: > > hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, but i didn't > want to thread jack the "new users" posting. here's a site that has loads of > FREE ebooks that you can download. you'll have to register with an email > address and they will send you your passwd. so for you new users out there, > they have loads of ebooks that normally cost anywhere from $30 - $60 for > Free that will help you in your quest to learn more about linux and the > likes of scripting and all other good things linux. i've been using linux > since the red hat 5.x days and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i > was. i can get around very well and i understand lots of things, but after a > while i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books to get my > answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > > -- > "I am what I am because of who we all are" -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Fri Jan 5 23:47:33 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:47:33 -0500 Subject: New users - possible problems In-Reply-To: <200701052012.18454.03taxi@gmail.com> References: <459E4EAB.5070301@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200701052012.18454.03taxi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <459EE395.9040204@optonline.net> Michel wrote: >On Friday 05 January 2007 14:12, Neil Winchurst wrote: > > >>There has been some discussion recently about getting computer users off >>Windows and on to Linux. I think that is a great idea. However I suggest >>that some help and hand-holding will be required. Here are some thoughts >>that I recently set down. >> >>*************************************************************************** >>* >> >>Setting up Kubuntu Edgy. >> >>There has been some chat recently about getting Windows users to migrate >>to Linux with particular reference to Kubuntu. I have used Linux for >>years I installed Edgy the day that it came out and I have been pleased >>so far. It might be interesting to look at the changes and tweaks that I >>have made so far. My point is that as it installed out of the box so to >>speak, it was not yet ready for me. It worked, of course, but I had to >>do quite a bit of customisation before I was happy with it. What will >>people new to Linux think I wonder. >> >> >> > >a list of linux programs that can replace windows programs >eg. nero == k3b >m$ office == ooo >...... > > > When I was teaching 7 and 8 grade English a few years ago, I took a couple machines built from spare parts into my classroom, loaded with Fedora based K12Linux. My students logged right on and wrote papers, made presentations, researched the internet, etc., without even realizing they were using something new. They just thought I´d ¨customized΅windows until I explained the difference. They were in a school with both Macs and PCs, so were able to handle a little diveristy. Of course, most people stuck in offices using computers know nothing and aren´t as adaptable and clever as 8th graders. /tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 02:16:59 2007 From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney Myers) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:16:59 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu driver for HP LaserJet4+ In-Reply-To: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <2CD399EF-8196-493B-B797-65829CDCEAD3@gmail.com> On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Maynard Wright wrote: > I'm resending this message with its own subject line. I didn't > really mean to > hijack the other thread for something entirely unrelated. Sorry. > > Maynard > > -------------------------------------- > > I'm running Kubuntu 6.06 LTS on a Toshiba Satellite laptop that has no > parallel port. I'm using the USB port to connect to my HP LaserJet4+ > printer, but I don't see a driver for that printer in the downloads > I've > found in the repositories. Is there one out there? The hardware I > have > lashed together worked fine for printing from RedHat 8. > > Thanks, > > Maynard > /lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From my kubuntu box the my HP laserjet 4 w/network card, I use the recommend foomatic driver, and it just works. So I guess you need to add the foomatic drivers? --- Rodney D. Myers Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jan 6 05:14:54 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:14:54 +0000 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> <459DBB7F.6090201@blueyonder.co.uk> <459E5D1F.9000805@blueyonder.co.uk> <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> Message-ID: <459F304E.10209@blueyonder.co.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Tez wrote: > > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> > > >>> A little gui that would read menu.lst, give you the text names of all the >>> menu options and let you select one, would be nice. >>> >>> >> There is a little GUI that dose that, when you click log out from the >> Kmenu you have to set boot manager to grub in system settings -> Login >> Manager, Shutdown >> then you have all the menu items in a drop down list. >> > > Cool! Of course, it's yet another item that doesn't show in my "System > Settings" applet, only in kControl. When do I get the dropdown list? On > the "End Session for ..." popup, I still see the usual "End Current > Session", "Turn off...", "Restart...", "Suspend..." (interesting since my > laptop doesn't _have_ suspend) & "Hibernate..." options. I don't much want > to test it by clicking on "Turn off" or "Restart" at this time... > It's on system settings, has been at least since dapper. For me (on edgy) it's located at: System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager -> (Admin mode) -> Shut down tab, under "Miscellaneous". The drop down menu under "Boot manager:" just choose grub, click apply. You need to logout and back in for it to take effect. Tez From gooly at gmx.at Sat Jan 6 11:22:56 2007 From: gooly at gmx.at (gooly at gmx.at) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:22:56 +0100 Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701061222.56021.gooly@gmx.at> Hmm, is this spam? When i open your link I saw some interesting books (if they were free) but nothing to register.. please provide a better link, Carl Am Samstag, 6. Januar 2007 00:36 schrieb Lokeey: > oh yeah...i forgot to mention that you can read these books on that > other OS and in Linux. if you download chm books, you will need to > install xchm to read them which you can find on adept pkg mngr. > > On 1/5/07, Lokeey wrote: > > hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, but i > > didn't want to thread jack the "new users" posting. here's a site > > that has loads of FREE ebooks that you can download. you'll have to > > register with an email address and they will send you your passwd. > > so for you new users out there, they have loads of ebooks that > > normally cost anywhere from $30 - $60 for Free that will help you > > in your quest to learn more about linux and the likes of scripting > > and all other good things linux. i've been using linux since the > > red hat 5.x days and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i was. > > i can get around very well and i understand lots of things, but > > after a while i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books > > to get my answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! > > > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > > > > -- > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" From michaelpo at myjaring.net Sat Jan 6 12:34:02 2007 From: michaelpo at myjaring.net (michaelpo at myjaring.net) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:34:02 +0800 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459F973A.4060802@myjaring.net> Free? nope. Need my credit card. Lokeey wrote: > oh yeah...i forgot to mention that you can read these books on that > other OS and in Linux. if you download chm books, you will need to > install xchm to read them which you can find on adept pkg mngr. > > On 1/5/07, *Lokeey* > wrote: > > hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, but i > didn't want to thread jack the "new users" posting. here's a site > that has loads of FREE ebooks that you can download. you'll have to > register with an email address and they will send you your passwd. > so for you new users out there, they have loads of ebooks that > normally cost anywhere from $30 - $60 for Free that will help you in > your quest to learn more about linux and the likes of scripting and > all other good things linux. i've been using linux since the red hat > 5.x days and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i was. i can get > around very well and i understand lots of things, but after a while > i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books to get my > answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > > -- > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > > > > -- > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > From lokeey at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 14:37:38 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 08:37:38 -0600 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <459F973A.4060802@myjaring.net> References: <459F973A.4060802@myjaring.net> Message-ID: did you register? did you supply an email? did you receive a passwd after you registered? *For download all files please, login to your member profile or fill free registration form * you won't be able to download any unless you register. On 1/6/07, michaelpo at myjaring.net wrote: > > Free? nope. > Need my credit card. > > > > Lokeey wrote: > > oh yeah...i forgot to mention that you can read these books on that > > other OS and in Linux. if you download chm books, you will need to > > install xchm to read them which you can find on adept pkg mngr. > > > > On 1/5/07, *Lokeey* > wrote: > > > > hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, but i > > didn't want to thread jack the "new users" posting. here's a site > > that has loads of FREE ebooks that you can download. you'll have to > > register with an email address and they will send you your passwd. > > so for you new users out there, they have loads of ebooks that > > normally cost anywhere from $30 - $60 for Free that will help you in > > your quest to learn more about linux and the likes of scripting and > > all other good things linux. i've been using linux since the red hat > > 5.x days and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i was. i can get > > around very well and i understand lots of things, but after a while > > i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books to get my > > answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! > > > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > > > > -- > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lokeey at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 14:45:19 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 08:45:19 -0600 Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701061222.56021.gooly@gmx.at> References: <200701061222.56021.gooly@gmx.at> Message-ID: okay, i don't mean to sound like an ass so please don't take this the wrong way, but there is a tab at the top of the page that says "My Profile". Its next to Search. If you click on that you'll see where you can enter your email and passwd and you'll see two links next to that...Forgot your passwd? & No member account ? Fill out the registration form. I normally provide a bogus email that I use for stuff like this so I don't received spam to my email account that I use on a daily basis. so if you don't want to receive spam create yourself a junk email account. On 1/6/07, gooly at gmx.at wrote: > > Hmm, > is this spam? > When i open your link I saw some interesting books (if they were free) > but nothing to register.. > > please provide a better link, > Carl > > Am Samstag, 6. Januar 2007 00:36 schrieb Lokeey: > > oh yeah...i forgot to mention that you can read these books on that > > other OS and in Linux. if you download chm books, you will need to > > install xchm to read them which you can find on adept pkg mngr. > > > > On 1/5/07, Lokeey wrote: > > > hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, but i > > > didn't want to thread jack the "new users" posting. here's a site > > > that has loads of FREE ebooks that you can download. you'll have to > > > register with an email address and they will send you your passwd. > > > so for you new users out there, they have loads of ebooks that > > > normally cost anywhere from $30 - $60 for Free that will help you > > > in your quest to learn more about linux and the likes of scripting > > > and all other good things linux. i've been using linux since the > > > red hat 5.x days and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i was. > > > i can get around very well and i understand lots of things, but > > > after a while i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books > > > to get my answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! > > > > > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > > > > > > -- > > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 15:13:45 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:13:45 -0700 Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver In-Reply-To: <45970177.1030202@mail.ee> References: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com> <45970177.1030202@mail.ee> Message-ID: <459FBCA9.6080101@gmail.com> Edmund Laugasson said the following at 12/30/2006 05:16 PM : >> So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver? > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia > I already have the old ones that this installs. That is why I asked for precise details of how to update the driver. More precisely: 1. I have the restricted packages enabled. 2. The version of the nvidia driver installed by those packages is 1.0-8776. 3. On the nvidia website, the current version of the driver is 1.0-9746. So I want to know how to install the *real* latest version of the driver. > > Try also search using keyword "nvidia": > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=nvidia&titlesearch=Titles > "Latest Nvidia Dapper" looked hopeful... but when one reads it in detail, one sees that it explicitly states which versions of the drivers the various solutions work for... and 9746 is not included :-( I am beginning to conclude that this is not something that can be done easily and safely. So I shall have to live without Google Earth (much to the amusement of my Windows friends). From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 15:19:45 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:19:45 -0700 Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver In-Reply-To: <4596BA80.1060102@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com> <4596BA80.1060102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <459FBE11.9060505@gmail.com> Michel Daggelinckx said the following at 12/30/2006 12:14 PM : >> The instructions then say to run "sh >> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run". But when I do that, the >> installation program complains that I am running an X server. >> >> I tried logging out and running the program from a console session, >> but it still made the same complaint. >> >> So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver? >> >> > > chmod +x NVIDIA* > sudo init 3 > sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run > sudo init 5 > > Nope. That gave precisely the same error. From rbmorse at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 15:29:04 2007 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 08:29:04 -0700 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: References: <459F973A.4060802@myjaring.net> Message-ID: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> This looks like simple theft, to me. Every one of those titles is in the publisher's current catalog. I don't understand how they can be distributed for "free." RBM On Saturday 06 January 2007 07:37, Lokeey wrote: > did you register? did you supply an email? did you receive a passwd > after you registered? > > *For download all files please, login > to your member profile or fill free > registration form * > you won't be able to download any unless you register. > > On 1/6/07, michaelpo at myjaring.net wrote: > > Free? nope. > > Need my credit card. > > > > Lokeey wrote: > > > oh yeah...i forgot to mention that you can read these books on > > > that other OS and in Linux. if you download chm books, you will > > > need to install xchm to read them which you can find on adept > > > pkg mngr. > > > > > > On 1/5/07, *Lokeey* > > > wrote: > > > > > > hey all, i don't normally send these types of emails out, > > > but i didn't want to thread jack the "new users" posting. > > > here's a site that has loads of FREE ebooks that you can > > > download. you'll have to register with an email address and > > > they will send you your passwd. so for you new users out there, > > > they have loads of ebooks that normally cost anywhere from $30 > > > - $60 for Free that will help you in your quest to learn more > > > about linux and the likes of scripting and all other good > > > things linux. i've been using linux since the red hat 5.x days > > > and i can say i'm still not a guru. i wish i was. i can get > > > around very well and i understand lots of things, but after a > > > while i have to dig for info, howto's, and read up on books to > > > get my answer. so i hope this helps....ENJOY! > > > > > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > > > > > > -- > > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 17:03:43 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:03:43 -0700 Subject: Running an old 32 bit app on AMD64 In-Reply-To: <75db45220701041101x70e6ac7fg9830452fc4732d95@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701040933r2a716479i22e3723f2174cde2@mail.gmail.com> <75db45220701041101x70e6ac7fg9830452fc4732d95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459FD66F.9070107@gmail.com> Gary Hodges said the following at 01/04/2007 12:01 PM : > I was able to install the program using chroot. I followed these directions: > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&highlight=32-bit+chroot > When you followed these instructions, did the step: dpkg-reconfigure locales work OK? When I reached that point, I got: ----- root at homebrew:/# dpkg-reconfigure locales perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Current default timezone: 'UTC'. Local time is now: Sat Jan 6 17:01:54 UTC 2007. Universal Time is now: Sat Jan 6 17:01:54 UTC 2007. Run 'tzconfig' if you wish to change it. root at homebrew:/# ----- And similar messages appeared with monotonous regularity in the following steps, to the point where it seems like something is definitely wrong. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Jan 6 16:46:10 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:46:10 -0800 Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver References: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com> <4596BA80.1060102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <874pr414tp.fsf@fjellstad.org> Michel Daggelinckx <03taxi at gmail.com> writes: > chmod +x NVIDIA* > sudo init 3 > sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run > sudo init 5 That won't help, since in Debian based distros there is no difference between runlevels 2-5. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Jan 6 16:45:34 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:45:34 -0800 Subject: Q: howto for updating NVIDIA driver References: <256f4e900612301001w61638e81ibd3b49f1a748e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <878xgg14up.fsf@fjellstad.org> "D. R. Evans" writes: > The instructions then say to run "sh > NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run". But when I do that, the > installation program complains that I am running an X server. > > I tried logging out and running the program from a console session, > but it still made the same complaint. > > So how *exactly* do I go about updating the video driver? How did you drop down to a console session? Did you switch by doing ctrl-alt-f1? If you log out to kdm, there should be an option to drop down to console. You could also at the console, do /etc/init.d/kdm stop. This will stop kdm. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From m-wright at eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 17:08:12 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:08:12 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu driver for HP LaserJet4+ In-Reply-To: <2CD399EF-8196-493B-B797-65829CDCEAD3@gmail.com> References: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> <2CD399EF-8196-493B-B797-65829CDCEAD3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701060908.12696.m-wright@eskimo.com> On Friday 05 January 2007 18:16, Rodney Myers wrote: > On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Maynard Wright wrote: > > I'm resending this message with its own subject line. I didn't > > really mean to > > hijack the other thread for something entirely unrelated. Sorry. > > > > Maynard > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > I'm running Kubuntu 6.06 LTS on a Toshiba Satellite laptop that has no > > parallel port. I'm using the USB port to connect to my HP LaserJet4+ > > printer, but I don't see a driver for that printer in the downloads > > I've > > found in the repositories. Is there one out there? The hardware I > > have > > lashed together worked fine for printing from RedHat 8. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Maynard > > /lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From my kubuntu box the my HP laserjet 4 w/network card, I use the > recommend foomatic driver, and it just works. > > So I guess you need to add the foomatic drivers? > > --- > Rodney D. Myers > Registered Linux User #96112 > ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: > 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a > little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. > Ben Franklin - 1759 I have the foomatic drivers, but something isn't working right. I have the following setup: Local printer description: GENERIC PostScript Printer URI: ipp://localhost:631/printers/Trout device: hp:/par/HP_Laserjet_4_Plus?device=/dev/parport3 model: hp Laserjet 1020 Foomatic/foo2zjs(recommended) Printing system currently in use = CUPS I can send an OpenOffice document or a PDF file to the printer but the printed output is garbled. The same printer currently works fine from another laptop running RedHat 8 via a parallel port and it used to work from the Toshiba Satellite that's now running Kubuntu using the USB port through the same USB hub to the parallel port of the printer when I was running RedHat 8 on the Satellite prior to installing Kubuntu. I didn't partition the disk when I installed Kubuntu, but wrote over the RedHat 8 installation. What am I missing here? Thanks, Maynard From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 17:58:57 2007 From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney Myers) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:58:57 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu driver for HP LaserJet4+ In-Reply-To: <200701060908.12696.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <200701050941.09806.m-wright@eskimo.com> <2CD399EF-8196-493B-B797-65829CDCEAD3@gmail.com> <200701060908.12696.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <4E797FDC-4116-4A9A-9E6E-180A69B6E1DA@gmail.com> On Jan 6, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Maynard Wright wrote: > On Friday 05 January 2007 18:16, Rodney Myers wrote: >> On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Maynard Wright wrote: >>> I'm resending this message with its own subject line. I didn't >>> really mean to >>> hijack the other thread for something entirely unrelated. Sorry. >>> >>> Maynard >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> >>> I'm running Kubuntu 6.06 LTS on a Toshiba Satellite laptop that >>> has no >>> parallel port. I'm using the USB port to connect to my HP >>> LaserJet4+ >>> printer, but I don't see a driver for that printer in the downloads >>> I've >>> found in the repositories. Is there one out there? The hardware I >>> have >>> lashed together worked fine for printing from RedHat 8. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Maynard >>> /lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> From my kubuntu box the my HP laserjet 4 w/network card, I use the >> recommend foomatic driver, and it just works. >> >> So I guess you need to add the foomatic drivers? >> > > I have the foomatic drivers, but something isn't working right. I > have the > following setup: > > Local printer > description: GENERIC PostScript Printer > URI: ipp://localhost:631/printers/Trout > > device: hp:/par/HP_Laserjet_4_Plus?device=/dev/parport3 > model: hp Laserjet 1020 Foomatic/foo2zjs(recommended) > > Printing system currently in use = CUPS > > I can send an OpenOffice document or a PDF file to the printer but > the printed > output is garbled. The same printer currently works fine from > another laptop > running RedHat 8 via a parallel port and it used to work from the > Toshiba > Satellite that's now running Kubuntu using the USB port through the > same USB > hub to the parallel port of the printer when I was running RedHat 8 > on the > Satellite prior to installing Kubuntu. I didn't partition the disk > when I > installed Kubuntu, but wrote over the RedHat 8 installation. > > What am I missing here? > > > Thanks, > > > Maynard > I have the jetdirect (?) network card installed in the printer, so take this for what it's worth. Cups installed on my kubuntu system as well. device: socket://:9100 make and model: HP Laserjet 4 foomatic/hpijs --- Rodney D. Myers Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sat Jan 6 18:20:41 2007 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:20:41 +0100 Subject: kpowersave Message-ID: <200701061920.41965.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hi, I've installed kpowersave through adept. On the first usage of kpoersave i could enable the CPU frequency policy. Now it has gone... I know that my laptop supports frequency scaling (Pentium M 760). Now i'm working on the max.frequency and this is killing my battery. Any ideas? Thancks! Karl From obsidion at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 6 19:58:37 2007 From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:58:37 +1300 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> References: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> On Sunday 07 January 2007 04:29, Ron Morse wrote: > This looks like simple theft, to me. Every one of those titles is in > the publisher's current catalog. I don't understand how they can be > distributed for "free" To me it is spam but if you have evidence that it is theft report that to the publisher. One thing the "linux" community doesn't need is to be in any way associated with theft. If it is found by the mainstream media it will be reported as linux stealing books. From lokeey at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 22:42:51 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:42:51 -0600 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> References: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: i don't think this has anything to do with linux. i just stumbled upon the site when i was looking for a book. they just offer free books, but you don't feel comfortable with it, then don't use it. it's simple as that. On 1/6/07, Rebel Lion wrote: > > On Sunday 07 January 2007 04:29, Ron Morse wrote: > > This looks like simple theft, to me. Every one of those titles is in > > the publisher's current catalog. I don't understand how they can be > > distributed for "free" > > To me it is spam but if you have evidence that it is theft report that to > the > publisher. One thing the "linux" community doesn't need is to be in any > way > associated with theft. If it is found by the mainstream media it will be > reported as linux stealing books. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 02:58:25 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:58:25 -0600 Subject: upstart going away? In-Reply-To: References: <200701041819.12309.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701062058.25286.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Thursday 04 January 2007 8:38 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > Can anyone tell my why my Adept update wants to remove upstart? > > Has this project been abandoned for some reason? > > Nope. But something's probably trying to push sysvinit on you... That's what I'm afraid is happening. I just can't figure out what. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 7 04:04:58 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:04:58 -0500 Subject: RANT: sound on Linux is EVIL Message-ID: <200701062304.58173.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> DISCLAIMER: I'm ranting, plain and simple. I'm not asking for help. I've been helping people with this very issue for years, and if I can't figure it out, money says you can't figure it out either. Sound. Sound is so evil. "Honey, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to rip all your CDs to the hard drive so you don't clutter the den up with stacks of plastic. Then you can play them right off the computer like a jukebox. Does that sound cool?" "Um. I guess. It depends on how hard it is to play them." "Oh. It's really easy. Look." Click, click, click. Silence. An hour later, my wife left in disgust about 50 minutes ago, and I still DON'T HAVE A PEEP OUT OF THIS DAMN COMPUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! It ran for 90 days or something, but I shut it off to go out of town. I came back, booted, and boom. No sound. I have no freaking idea what's wrong. What the hell COULD be wrong? I only have one kernel. I built it myself. It ran for three months, and everything was good and perfect with the universe. I turn off my computer, and everything goes all to hell. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 7 05:02:10 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 00:02:10 -0500 Subject: RANT: sound on Linux is EVIL In-Reply-To: <200701062304.58173.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701062304.58173.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701070002.10368.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 06 January 2007 11:04 pm, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > An hour later, my wife left in disgust about 50 minutes ago, and I still > DON'T HAVE A PEEP OUT OF THIS DAMN COMPUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Two hours and four reboots later. What actually woke sound up was booting the live CD and then rebooting back to the hard drive. Bizarre. I hate computers. -- D. Michael McIntyre From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Sun Jan 7 05:41:16 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:41:16 -0500 Subject: RANT: sound on Linux is EVIL In-Reply-To: <200701070002.10368.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701062304.58173.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701070002.10368.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <45A087FC.4020505@optonline.net> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >On Saturday 06 January 2007 11:04 pm, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > >>An hour later, my wife left in disgust about 50 minutes ago, and I still >>DON'T HAVE A PEEP OUT OF THIS DAMN COMPUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> > >Two hours and four reboots later. What actually woke sound up was booting the >live CD and then rebooting back to the hard drive. > >Bizarre. > >I hate computers. > > > D at mned things were invented by the Devil... A friend once told me: ¨Se tem pneus ou seios, vai te dar problemas...¨ He should have added ¨disco duro¨ to that list... /tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 7 06:50:09 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:50:09 -0500 Subject: RANT: sound on Linux is EVIL In-Reply-To: <200701070002.10368.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701062304.58173.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701070002.10368.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701070150.09635.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 07 January 2007 00:02, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >On Saturday 06 January 2007 11:04 pm, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> An hour later, my wife left in disgust about 50 minutes ago, and I >> still DON'T HAVE A PEEP OUT OF THIS DAMN COMPUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Two hours and four reboots later. What actually woke sound up was > booting the live CD and then rebooting back to the hard drive. > But this is a clue too. You did a warm boot, so whatever initialization the cd boot did, survived. Now the trick is to do a cold boot, make a copy of the lsmod and dmesg, then do a cold boot from the cd, make another copy of the lsmod and dmesg listings, followed by a warm boot, and see what differences there are between the lsmod and dmesg listings. Someplace in all that I'm betting there is going to be a forehead slapper. Like maybe building something into your kernel that for some strange reason doesn't work when builtin? >Bizarre. >I hate computers. So do I, they waste entirely too much time with stuff like this.. :) -- Cheers Michael, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 7 01:28:06 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:28:06 -0400 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <459E5D1F.9000805@blueyonder.co.uk> <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> <200701052114.56560.lure@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <6uu574-bkh.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Luka Renko wrote: > On Friday 05 January 2007 19:51, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Cool! Of course, it's yet another item that doesn't show in my "System >> Settings" applet, only in kControl. When do I get the dropdown list? On >> the "End Session for ..." popup, I still see the usual "End Current >> Session", "Turn off...", "Restart...", "Suspend..." (interesting since my >> laptop doesn't _have_ suspend) & "Hibernate..." options. I don't much >> want to test it by clicking on "Turn off" or "Restart" at this time... > > Logout dialog present Suspend and Hibernate options depending on what HAL > claims that your HW supports. You can check this from command line by > calling: > > lshal | grep can_suspend Yeah, I probably just had to restart kdm - after I'd rebooted, it was there. -- derek From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 7 16:38:28 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:38:28 -0500 Subject: RANT: sound on Linux is EVIL In-Reply-To: <200701070150.09635.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200701062304.58173.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701070002.10368.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701070150.09635.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701071138.28214.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 07 January 2007 1:50 am, Gene Heskett wrote: > But this is a clue too. You did a warm boot, so whatever initialization > the cd boot did, survived. True. I must have done the same thing when I installed Kubuntu originally. I could solve the real problem, or just keep the CD handy. :) I wonder if I could accomplish the same thing by installing a stock kernel, booting that, and then rebooting. Interesting. > slapper. Like maybe building something into your kernel that for some > strange reason doesn't work when builtin? I didn't build anything in. I gave up on that a long time ago, and change a distro stock config absolutely as little as possible. I changed three items in this case, no more than four. -- D. Michael McIntyre From noiano at x-privat.org Sun Jan 7 22:34:41 2007 From: noiano at x-privat.org (Noiano) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:34:41 +0100 Subject: System notification sounds "gone" In-Reply-To: <459E4598.40409@gmail.com> References: <459E4598.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair wrote: > Suddenly something happened to my System Notifications! I like the > little sounds from stuff like Kopete etc. but they are all now dead > silent and if I try and play them via System Settings / system > notifications nothing is heard! > > Amarok, Kaffeine etc works fine though? > > Any assistance is as usual appreciated.... > > Sinclair > Well I have experienced your problem and I haven't solved it yet. However, in my case, the system notifications go and come in the sense that if they do not work if I reboot the system they probably work again. So many times I reboot my system hoping that the system notifications work again. The only advice I can give to you is to check whether you have ALSA selected in the "sound and multimedia" menu, in the control panel. As soon as I selected ALSA in the "sound and multimedia" menu the system notification started to work more frequently. I hope this helps and forgive my terrible English. Regards Noiano From jongleur at liripipe.com Mon Jan 8 00:06:34 2007 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:06:34 -0800 Subject: Slow Log-in Message-ID: <200701071606.34822.jongleur@liripipe.com> Recently when logging in to kubuntu I have found that it takes about a minute after the KDE desktop comes up for konqueror to read directories, and for apps like kmail and kopete to be able to access the wallet. Previously opened apps (like firefox) will open during this time, as will kopete (unconnected) but not kontact. I tried reverting to a recent .kde/share/config but to no avail. Interestingly this doesn't happen with gnome -- I can open konqueror to read dirs immediately. I've looked but can not find any log file in /var/log that has any pertinent data. I would love some help with this. John L Vifian -- Define the Universe and give three examples. - Anonymous From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 04:31:06 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:31:06 +0200 Subject: System notification sounds "gone" In-Reply-To: References: <459E4598.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A1C90A.6010605@gmail.com> Noiano wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Suddenly something happened to my System Notifications! I like the >> little sounds from stuff like Kopete etc. but they are all now dead >> silent and if I try and play them via System Settings / system >> notifications nothing is heard! >> >> Amarok, Kaffeine etc works fine though? >> >> Any assistance is as usual appreciated.... >> >> Sinclair >> > > Well I have experienced your problem and I haven't solved it yet. > However, in my case, the system notifications go and come in the sense > that if they do not work if I reboot the system they probably work > again. So many times I reboot my system hoping that the system > notifications work again. > The only advice I can give to you is to check whether you have ALSA > selected in the "sound and multimedia" menu, in the control panel. > As soon as I selected ALSA in the "sound and multimedia" menu the system > notification started to work more frequently. > > I hope this helps and forgive my terrible English. > Not everyone is an ecglish speaker by birth so no problems (neither am I in fact). As for rebooting etc - have not made any difference whatsoever. But I can tell you that sometimes my audio device "go missing" on booting and then only a reboot will help. But then no sound whatsoever can be heard of course... Something to do with my HDA device I suspect. Sinclair From r.wehrens at science.ru.nl Mon Jan 8 08:21:17 2007 From: r.wehrens at science.ru.nl (Ron Wehrens) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:21:17 +0100 Subject: kmail filters: sharing between computers Message-ID: <200701080921.17239.r.wehrens@science.ru.nl> I use kmail at work as well as at home. At work I have set up an extensive list of filters to throw away spam etc. Is there a way to copy these filters to my home computer so that I can read my work email at home without having to skip at least three screens of meaningless messages every day? Where are these filters stored? Ron -- Ron Wehrens Institute for Molecules and Materials (IMM) - Analytical Chemistry Radboud University Nijmegen http://www.science.ru.nl/cac From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 08:30:52 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:30:52 +0200 Subject: System notification sounds "gone" In-Reply-To: References: <459E4598.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A2013C.8010307@gmail.com> Noiano wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Suddenly something happened to my System Notifications! I like the >> little sounds from stuff like Kopete etc. but they are all now dead >> silent and if I try and play them via System Settings / system >> notifications nothing is heard! >> >> Amarok, Kaffeine etc works fine though? >> >> Any assistance is as usual appreciated.... >> >> Sinclair >> > > Well I have experienced your problem and I haven't solved it yet. > However, in my case, the system notifications go and come in the sense > that if they do not work if I reboot the system they probably work > again. So many times I reboot my system hoping that the system > notifications work again. > The only advice I can give to you is to check whether you have ALSA > selected in the "sound and multimedia" menu, in the control panel. > As soon as I selected ALSA in the "sound and multimedia" menu the system > notification started to work more frequently. > > I hope this helps and forgive my terrible English. > Sadly it has made no difference whatsoever but thanks for the effort, Sinclair From gismo at iol.ie Mon Jan 8 08:42:00 2007 From: gismo at iol.ie (Steve) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:42:00 +0000 Subject: kmail filters: sharing between computers In-Reply-To: <200701080921.17239.r.wehrens@science.ru.nl> References: <200701080921.17239.r.wehrens@science.ru.nl> Message-ID: <200701080842.00645.gismo@iol.ie> On Mon 8 January 2007 08:21, Ron Wehrens wrote: > I use kmail at work as well as at home. At work I have set up an > extensive list of filters to throw away spam etc. Is there a way to > copy these filters to my home computer so that I can read my work > email at home without having to skip at least three screens of > meaningless messages every day? Where are these filters stored? > > Ron > -- > Ron Wehrens > > Institute for Molecules and Materials (IMM) - Analytical Chemistry > Radboud University Nijmegen > http://www.science.ru.nl/cac My home directory is called steve you are looking for a file called kmailrc that file contains all the filters among other stuff if you copy that over it should do the trick just back up the kmailrc or rename it .old before you do it. here is the path to mine /home/steve/.kde/share/config/kmailrc rgds steve From gert.gast at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 12:52:18 2007 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:52:18 +1100 Subject: Fwd: [SLED] Second Life to go open source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79cc94fa0701080452p57337ee3p37ef80f7f970664c@mail.gmail.com> Hi group, This might interest the Kubuntu community Cheers, Gert ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pathfinder Linden Date: Jan 8, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: [SLED] Second Life to go open source To: Educators Mailing List http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/07/technology/secondlife.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007010807 And so it begins... -Pathfinder -- John Lester Community and Education Manager, Linden Lab http://pathfinderlinden.com "In order to attain the impossible, one must attempt the absurd." -Miguel de Cervantes _______________________________________________ Educators mailing list To unsubscribe https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators -- _____________________'Making Internet Work for You'____________________ Dr Gert Gast -- CommunicationsDesign -- +61+2 66848 015, mobile 041 8260 834 48 Parkway Drive,Ewingsdale NSW 2481, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <200701041819.12309.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200701062058.25286.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/8/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > > On Thursday 04 January 2007 8:38 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> > Can anyone tell my why my Adept update wants to remove upstart? > >> > Has this project been abandoned for some reason? > >> > >> Nope. But something's probably trying to push sysvinit on you... > > > > That's what I'm afraid is happening. I just can't figure out what. > > > Given that upstart isn't vital at this stage, I'd probably let Adept do > what > it wants, then: > > # sudo aptitude install upstart > > and see what conflicts arise. I thought about doing that, but I haven't had the time to spare if it really hoses things up. 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I just can't figure out what. > > > Given that upstart isn't vital at this stage, I'd probably let Adept do > what > it wants, then: > > # sudo aptitude install upstart > > and see what conflicts arise. I thought about doing that, but I haven't had the time to spare if it really hoses things up. So, I'll probably do that tonight while I'm watch the BCS game tonight. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rasputin1575 at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 15:05:38 2007 From: rasputin1575 at gmail.com (B.K.Ashley Hoolash) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:05:38 +0400 Subject: kubuntu edgy-eft (6.10) Network Prb Message-ID: Hello peeps, Am struggling to have a decent internet connection. I have a laptop with windows xp which uses MYT and the livebox rooter. my connection works fine there. I have another laptop with linux (Kubuntu 6.10). The prb that i have is my internet conn. works for a while and then i lose it. On a lucky day it might work for an hr or so, but otherwise, its a pain in the neck. I dont use a network hub, its just the old-fashion way: a cable which i disconnect from the windows laptop and connect it to the kubuntu's one. Could u pls share the file /etc/network/interfaces with me so that i have a look on how you configured this thing. Rgds, ash -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prbasmith at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 15:37:36 2007 From: prbasmith at gmail.com (Preston Smith) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:37:36 -0400 Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive In-Reply-To: References: <4598223F.1010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A26540.7050909@gmail.com> Hi AC, Mark and others who replied! Happy New Year! Thank you for your thoughtful suggestions. I apologize for the late response but alligators were nipping at my vitals The bios of my Compaq V2414NR laptop bought in Dec 2005 does not have the ability to boot from a USB drive. So what are my options with this additional info? Thanks Preston ac said the following on 02/01/2007 12:46 PM: > Mark Warner wrote: >> Preston Smith wrote: >>> I have XP SP 2 on my laptop and would like to install Kubuntu. Can I >>> install it on my USB drive? Where should I install Grub or a similar >>> boot loader? >> Assuming a usb connected hard drive (as opposed to a thumb/flash drive), >> the trick is to have the bios set to boot from the usb drive first. >> During the install, install grub to the mbr of the usb drive, not the >> main hard drive. Then, to boot to Linux, just make sure the usb drive is >> plugged in and powered up before starting the machine. >> >> I believe this amount of control over the grub installation would >> require using the Alternate CD instead of the Desktop (Live) CD. >> > > Using a live CD (Desktop) and choosing manual install, it is possible > to create and use a separate boot partition. I am not sure if this > means the mbr would be used on the usb drive though? From ejviolet at yahoo.com Mon Jan 8 17:26:33 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:26:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive In-Reply-To: <45A26540.7050909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <636054.29547.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Preston Smith wrote: > The bios of my Compaq V2414NR laptop bought in Dec 2005 does not > have > the ability to boot from a USB drive. So what are my options with > this > additional info? There is a program that fits on a floppy called SMB (small boot manager) that could help. I don't remember where I found it. I use it for OLD machines that won't boot from CDROM. Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 8 17:25:34 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:25:34 -0400 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <45950AC4.5030608@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701041857.03066.philsf@ufrj.br> <459DBB7F.6090201@blueyonder.co.uk> <459E5D1F.9000805@blueyonder.co.uk> <1aj274-jak.ln1@othello.mar.dfo-mpo.ca> <459F304E.10209@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Tez wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Cool! Of course, it's yet another item that doesn't show in my "System >> Settings" applet, only in kControl. >> > It's on system settings, has been at least since dapper. That would be why I said "yet another"... People are always reporting things that are in System Settings, but I don't see them. I did a fresh edgy install just before Christmas, and I _still_ don't have a "Login Manager" in System Settings, only in KControl. > You need to logout and back in for it to take effect. So I discovered. Thanks. -- derek From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jan 8 18:17:11 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:11 -0500 Subject: libc6 upgrade? Message-ID: <200701081317.12217.lists@ptfd.org> Is the libc6 upgrade today in edgy safe, I tried it and now libc6-dev is broken and the other 2 libc6 packages will not upgrade because of it. It reports that glibc was found in an incorrect directory? Mike From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jan 8 18:22:10 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:22:10 -0500 Subject: libc6 upgrade? Message-ID: <200701081322.10255.lists@ptfd.org> Is the libc6 upgrade today in edgy safe, I tried it and now libc6-dev is broken and the other 2 libc6 packages will not upgrade because of it. It reports that glibc was found in an incorrect directory? A copy of glibc was found in an unexpected directory. It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation; please remove that copy of the C library and try again. dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.4-1ubuntu12.1_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.4-1ubuntu12.1_i386.deb Mike From philsf at ufrj.br Mon Jan 8 20:17:12 2007 From: philsf at ufrj.br (Felipe Figueiredo) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:17:12 -0200 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <459F304E.10209@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701081817.12212.philsf@ufrj.br> Em Monday 08 January 2007 15:25, Derek Broughton escreveu: > Tez wrote: > > > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > >> Cool! Of course, it's yet another item that doesn't show in my "System > >> Settings" applet, only in kControl. > >> > > It's on system settings, has been at least since dapper. > > That would be why I said "yet another"... People are always reporting > things that are in System Settings, but I don't see them. I did a fresh > edgy install just before Christmas, and I _still_ don't have a "Login > Manager" in System Settings, only in KControl. This I can answer: that's because in edgy now System Settings has two tabs: general and advanced. The one you are looking for is in the advanced tab. regards FF From noiano at x-privat.org Mon Jan 8 21:47:43 2007 From: noiano at x-privat.org (Noiano) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0100 Subject: System notification sounds "gone" In-Reply-To: <45A2013C.8010307@gmail.com> References: <459E4598.40409@gmail.com> <45A2013C.8010307@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair wrote: > Noiano wrote: >> O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Suddenly something happened to my System Notifications! I like the >>> little sounds from stuff like Kopete etc. but they are all now dead >>> silent and if I try and play them via System Settings / system >>> notifications nothing is heard! >>> >>> Amarok, Kaffeine etc works fine though? >>> >>> Any assistance is as usual appreciated.... >>> >>> Sinclair >>> >> Well I have experienced your problem and I haven't solved it yet. >> However, in my case, the system notifications go and come in the sense >> that if they do not work if I reboot the system they probably work >> again. So many times I reboot my system hoping that the system >> notifications work again. >> The only advice I can give to you is to check whether you have ALSA >> selected in the "sound and multimedia" menu, in the control panel. >> As soon as I selected ALSA in the "sound and multimedia" menu the system >> notification started to work more frequently. >> >> I hope this helps and forgive my terrible English. >> > Sadly it has made no difference whatsoever but thanks for the effort, > Sinclair > I have no more advice to give you....sorry! Noiano From infopipe at gmx.net Mon Jan 8 21:51:45 2007 From: infopipe at gmx.net (Bernhard Breinbauer) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:51:45 +0100 Subject: cron.daily Message-ID: <200701082251.50204.infopipe@gmx.net> Hi list! I'm having a problem with a daily cron job. I would like to execute my backup script every day, therefore i copied it into /etc/cron.daily: # ls -l /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9704 2006-12-11 15:04 /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh But it isn't executed, anacron puts the following in /var/log/syslog: Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' started Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[6705]: Updated timestamp for job `cron.daily' to 2007-01-08 Jan 8 07:40:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[7152]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/mcelog -a ! -e /etc/mcelog-disabled & & /usr/sbin/mcelog --ignorenodev --filter >> /var/log/mcelog) Jan 8 07:41:25 localhost exiting on signal 15 Jan 8 07:41:26 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#18ubuntu6: restart. Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' terminated Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Normal exit (1 job run) As you can see anacron says "1 job run" but there are more files in my cron.daily directory: # ls /etc/cron.daily/ 0anacron aptitude find.notslocate man-db samba standard tetex-bin apt bsdmainutils logrotate my_flexbackup.sh slocate sysklogd I have no clue what is wrong with my cron jobs. When I execute the script manually it runs without error. Any hints? regards, bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to execute > my backup script every day, therefore i copied it into /etc/cron.daily: > # ls -l /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9704 2006-12-11 15:04 /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh > > But it isn't executed, anacron puts the following in /var/log/syslog: > > Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' started > Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[6705]: Updated timestamp for job > `cron.daily' to 2007-01-08 > Jan 8 07:40:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[7152]: (root) CMD > (test -x /usr/sbin/mcelog -a ! -e /etc/mcelog-disabled & > & /usr/sbin/mcelog --ignorenodev --filter >> /var/log/mcelog) > Jan 8 07:41:25 localhost exiting on signal 15 > Jan 8 07:41:26 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#18ubuntu6: restart. > Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' terminated > Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Normal exit (1 job run) > > As you can see anacron says "1 job run" but there are more files in > my cron.daily directory: > > # ls /etc/cron.daily/ > 0anacron aptitude find.notslocate man-db samba > standard tetex-bin apt bsdmainutils logrotate > my_flexbackup.sh slocate sysklogd > > I have no clue what is wrong with my cron jobs. > When I execute the script manually it runs without error. > Any hints? Did you restart the crond service? Normally cron looks for changes to the /etc/crontab file. If this file hasn't changed, cron won't go looking for your changes until it gets restarted. I was recently burned on this myself :) You should also note that anacron and cron are two different tools. I typically don't run anacron and I'm not clear on how (according to your logs) the two are entangled on your machine. So my advice may be nothing more than a smoke screen. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From jim at jimbyers.com Tue Jan 9 01:56:07 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:56:07 -0600 Subject: Samba Cups and Windows Client Message-ID: <45A2F637.6050206@jimbyers.com> I have just joined the list and apologize for posting the first day, but I have worked most of the day on my problems and was unsuccessful. My configuration is: Kubuntu installed on PC workstation which has ethernet card and a USB Brother Printer Three laptops - two with Windows XP and one with Windows XP Pro The computers are connected by a wireless router. Belkin Pre-N My main goal was to print from my Windows XP laptops to the Brother Pinter. I have my Brother Printer printing locally, but have not been able to see it or find it from the Windows clients. I installed Samba and made several modifications recommended on Ubuntu forums. I modified Cups conf file as well. I can see the Kubuntu network from my Windows laptops, but when I try to enter network, I get a Windows logon popup asking for username and password. I have tried the Samba username and password as well as the Kubuntu username and password, but neither combination worked. From what I have written, can anyone help me? Other than this important (for me) issue, I really like Kubuntu. Thanks, Jim From daniel at rimspace.net Tue Jan 9 02:44:47 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:44:47 +1100 Subject: cron.daily References: <200701082251.50204.infopipe@gmx.net> Message-ID: <87r6u4vrz4.fsf@rimspace.net> Bernhard Breinbauer writes: > I'm having a problem with a daily cron job. I would like to execute my > backup script every day, therefore i copied it into /etc/cron.daily: # > ls -l /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9704 > 2006-12-11 15:04 /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh > > But it isn't executed, anacron puts the following in /var/log/syslog: > > Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' started [...] > Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Normal exit (1 job run) > > As you can see anacron says "1 job run" but there are more files in my > cron.daily directory: The 'cron.daily' job is (effectively) this: run-parts /etc/cron.daily run-parts is a tool that executes all the scripts in a given location. So, as far as (ana)cron is concerned it did run *one* job. The fact that job executed multiple scripts is invisible (and irrelevant) to the cron process. > I have no clue what is wrong with my cron jobs. > When I execute the script manually it runs without error. > Any hints? It may be that run-parts does not like your script name; try: run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily You may find a name without an underscore is better liked. Alternately it may be that the different cron environment, without your PATH settings, is causing issues. Don't assume much about the path in cron jobs. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From vayu at sklinks.com Tue Jan 9 04:10:03 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:10:03 -0800 Subject: disable passive in konqueror ftp Message-ID: <45A3159B.2010201@sklinks.com> I have an FTP site that requires disabling passive mode. Does anyone know of a way to do that within konqueror rather than in "settings/internet & network/connection settings"? Thanks much From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 9 05:47:38 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 05:47:38 +0000 Subject: Samba Cups and Windows Client In-Reply-To: <45A2F637.6050206@jimbyers.com> References: <45A2F637.6050206@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45A32C7A.4080201@blueyonder.co.uk> Jim Byers wrote: > I have just joined the list and apologize for posting the first day, but > I have worked most of the day on my problems and was unsuccessful. My > configuration is: > > Kubuntu installed on PC workstation which has ethernet card and a > USB Brother Printer > Three laptops - two with Windows XP and one with Windows XP Pro > The computers are connected by a wireless router. Belkin Pre-N > > My main goal was to print from my Windows XP laptops to the Brother > Pinter. > > I have my Brother Printer printing locally, but have not been able to > see it or find it from the Windows clients. I installed Samba and made > several modifications recommended on Ubuntu forums. I modified Cups conf > file as well. I can see the Kubuntu network from my Windows laptops, > but when I try to enter network, I get a Windows logon popup asking for > username and password. I have tried the Samba username and password as > well as the Kubuntu username and password, but neither combination worked. > > From what I have written, can anyone help me? Other than this > important (for me) issue, I really like Kubuntu. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > First you should change "security = USER" (or whatever it's set to) to "security = SHARE" that should stop windows asking for a password. Then, I found this guide on the ubuntu help site which may be useful to you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP That should be all you need Tez From infopipe at gmx.net Tue Jan 9 06:37:33 2007 From: infopipe at gmx.net (Bernhard Breinbauer) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:33 +0100 Subject: cron.daily In-Reply-To: <87r6u4vrz4.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <200701082251.50204.infopipe@gmx.net> <87r6u4vrz4.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <200701090737.38022.infopipe@gmx.net> Am Dienstag 09 Januar 2007 03:44 schrieb Daniel Pittman: > Bernhard Breinbauer writes: > > I'm having a problem with a daily cron job. I would like to execute my > > backup script every day, therefore i copied it into /etc/cron.daily: # > > ls -l /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9704 > > 2006-12-11 15:04 /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh > > > > But it isn't executed, anacron puts the following in /var/log/syslog: > It may be that run-parts does not like your script name; try: > > run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily > > You may find a name without an underscore is better liked. Thank you very much. Renaming it to a name without .sh was the solution. regards, bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to execute > > my backup script every day, therefore i copied it into /etc/cron.daily: > > # ls -l /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9704 2006-12-11 15:04 > > /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh > > > > But it isn't executed, anacron puts the following in /var/log/syslog: > > > > Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' started > > Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[6705]: Updated timestamp for job > > `cron.daily' to 2007-01-08 > > Jan 8 07:40:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[7152]: (root) CMD > > (test -x /usr/sbin/mcelog -a ! -e /etc/mcelog-disabled & > > & /usr/sbin/mcelog --ignorenodev --filter >> /var/log/mcelog) > > Jan 8 07:41:25 localhost exiting on signal 15 > > Jan 8 07:41:26 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#18ubuntu6: restart. > > Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' terminated > > Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Normal exit (1 job run) > > > > As you can see anacron says "1 job run" but there are more files in > > my cron.daily directory: > > > > # ls /etc/cron.daily/ > > 0anacron aptitude find.notslocate man-db samba > > standard tetex-bin apt bsdmainutils logrotate > > my_flexbackup.sh slocate sysklogd > > > > I have no clue what is wrong with my cron jobs. > > When I execute the script manually it runs without error. > > Any hints? > > Did you restart the crond service? Normally cron looks for changes to the > /etc/crontab file. If this file hasn't changed, cron won't go looking for > your changes until it gets restarted. I was recently burned on this myself > :) Eh?? $ cat crontab # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' # command to install the new version when you edit this file. # This file also has a username field, that none of the other crontabs do. ...and from the crond man page: Additionally, cron checks each minute to see if its spool directory's modtime (or the modtime on /etc/crontab) has changed, and if it has, cron will then examine the modtime on all crontabs and reload those which have changed. Thus cron need not be restarted whenever a crontab file is modified. Whatever bit you, had little to do with restarting cron :) Cheers, James -- A couple more shots of whiskey, women 'round here start looking good. [something about a 10 being a 4 after a six-pack? 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From jim at jimbyers.com Tue Jan 9 12:28:25 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:28:25 -0600 Subject: Samba Cups and Windows Client In-Reply-To: <45A32C7A.4080201@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <45A2F637.6050206@jimbyers.com> <45A32C7A.4080201@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <45A38A69.1060604@jimbyers.com> Tez, I cannot thank you enough. Your simple one line comment now has me connected to my Kubuntu desktop. Thanks again!! Jim Tez wrote: > Jim Byers wrote: > >> I have just joined the list and apologize for posting the first day, but >> I have worked most of the day on my problems and was unsuccessful. My >> configuration is: >> >> Kubuntu installed on PC workstation which has ethernet card and a >> USB Brother Printer >> Three laptops - two with Windows XP and one with Windows XP Pro >> The computers are connected by a wireless router. Belkin Pre-N >> >> My main goal was to print from my Windows XP laptops to the Brother >> Pinter. >> >> I have my Brother Printer printing locally, but have not been able to >> see it or find it from the Windows clients. I installed Samba and made >> several modifications recommended on Ubuntu forums. I modified Cups conf >> file as well. I can see the Kubuntu network from my Windows laptops, >> but when I try to enter network, I get a Windows logon popup asking for >> username and password. I have tried the Samba username and password as >> well as the Kubuntu username and password, but neither combination worked. >> >> From what I have written, can anyone help me? Other than this >> important (for me) issue, I really like Kubuntu. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> >> > First you should change "security = USER" (or whatever it's set to) to > "security = SHARE" > that should stop windows asking for a password. > Then, I found this guide on the ubuntu help site which may be useful to you: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP > > That should be all you need > > Tez > > > > From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 9 13:11:56 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:11:56 +0000 Subject: Java install with Adept In-Reply-To: <45A379A7.4050803@tudza.com> References: <45A379A7.4050803@tudza.com> Message-ID: <45A3949C.3040008@blueyonder.co.uk> tudza wrote: > Two problems I need help with, both stem from trying to install the Sun > Java JRE. > > The first attempt failed because the license agreement did not display > properly. I was lucky to even realize it was there, but I happened to > decide to hit Show Details. I could not get to the part of the document > that allowed me to accept the license. > > What do I do about that? > > > Also, this seems to have locked up the Adept database, even across a > full restart of the system. How do I clear that? > > For some reason you can't accept the licence with Adept, It's a known issue. You have to do it from Konsole, or Synaptic (of you have it installed). So open Konsole from: Kmenu -> System -> Konsole and in it type: sudo dpkg --configure -a that should continue from adept and ask you to accept the licence, if nothing happens use: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre On to problem number two, also use this if you get an error about /var/lib/dpkg/lock when trying to use dpkg or apt-get this command (also in konsole) should help: sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock if not then use: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock Now you should have Java JRE installed, and adept will work again. Tez From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 9 14:06:53 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:06:53 -0400 Subject: cron.daily References: <200701082251.50204.infopipe@gmx.net[0701!08.154951.2O]> <20070109005618.M64746@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: Scott Mazur wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:51:45 +0100, Bernhard Breinbauer wrote >> >> I'm having a problem with a daily cron job. I would like to execute >> my backup script every day, therefore i copied it into /etc/cron.daily: >> # ls -l /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9704 2006-12-11 15:04 >> /etc/cron.daily/my_flexbackup.sh >> >> But it isn't executed, anacron puts the following in /var/log/syslog: >> >> Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' started >> Jan 8 07:38:30 localhost anacron[6705]: Updated timestamp for job >> `cron.daily' to 2007-01-08 >> Jan 8 07:40:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[7152]: (root) CMD >> (test -x /usr/sbin/mcelog -a ! -e /etc/mcelog-disabled & >> & /usr/sbin/mcelog --ignorenodev --filter >> /var/log/mcelog) >> Jan 8 07:41:25 localhost exiting on signal 15 Is this your backup? Clearly, it failed (or at least was terminated). >> Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Job `cron.daily' terminated >> Jan 8 07:41:36 localhost anacron[5005]: Normal exit (1 job run) >> >> As you can see anacron says "1 job run" but there are more files in >> my cron.daily directory: There is however only 1 _anacron_ job - that is "cron.daily". If it was also running other anacron jobs at the same time, you'd get a higher count. >> I have no clue what is wrong with my cron jobs. >> When I execute the script manually it runs without error. >> Any hints? Make it output _anything_ in the script, and you'll get that emailed to you (always assuming you have email on the local machine). > > You should also note that anacron and cron are two different tools. Yes, but anacron's primary purpose (ie, what it does automatically as soon as it is installed) is to run cron jobs that have been missed when the system is down. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 9 13:47:18 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <459F304E.10209@blueyonder.co.uk> <200701081817.12212.philsf@ufrj.br> Message-ID: <70jc74-7fb.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > Em Monday 08 January 2007 15:25, Derek Broughton escreveu: >> People are always reporting >> things that are in System Settings, but I don't see them. I did a fresh >> edgy install just before Christmas, and I _still_ don't have a "Login >> Manager" in System Settings, only in KControl. > > This I can answer: that's because in edgy now System Settings has two > tabs: general and advanced. The one you are looking for is in the advanced > tab. > Doh! I never even noticed the "advanced" tab. Thanks! I prefer "System Settings" to kcontrol, but frequently couldn't find all the options in "System Settings". -- derek From prbasmith at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 16:21:39 2007 From: prbasmith at gmail.com (Preston Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:21:39 -0400 Subject: ntfsclone and ntfsresize Message-ID: <45A3C113.5020103@gmail.com> I am using the Gparted live CD v 0.3.3.0 to reduce the size of the ntfs partition on my USB external drive from 230GB to 100 GB and then create a Linux partition with the remaining unallocated space Gparted won't do the task and tells me there is a problem and that I should should run ntfsclone -rescue, then chkdsk /f /r, reboot twice, then run ntfsresize - bad-sectors. I am a total neophyte at this stuff so I have some questions. 1) Running chkdsk from XP Home finds nothing wrong with the drive so it appears that the Linux ntfs utilities are more sensitive then XP's. Is this so? 2) I thought Gparted is based on the Linux-NTFS project and that ntfsclone and ntfs resize are an integral part of gparted. Am I wrong? 3) Is ntfsresize and ntfsresue directly accessable gotr Kubuntu and Ubuntu? Thanks for the help Preston From dan_axtell at yahoo.com Tue Jan 9 16:26:38 2007 From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:26:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell Message-ID: <874669.70606.qm@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm trying to set up a new Edgy AMD-64 system as my main development box, and MySQL is killing me. The story so far: tried MySQL 5.0.24a-9 from Adept, but the server crashes. Submitted a bug report. 4.1 won't install Downloaded the dynamic binary from MySQL, but won't run because of libstdc++ 5/6 incompatibilities Dowloaded static 5.0 binaries from MySQL, runs, but here's the dilemma - copied all my MySQL data into /home/mysql with correct permissions. I don't want data in /var/lib or /usr/local/mysql as I want all my data on different partition than the system stuff come upgrade time. - edited /etc/mysql/my.conf to reflect the fact that MySQL is now in /usr/local/mysql and data is in /home/mysql. Looked around in /usr/local/mysql for anything that similar and edited it. - running /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe always looks for data in /usr/local/mysql/data, so configuration files appear to be ignored. - try to force the issue by using mysqld_safe --user=mysql --datadir=/home/mysql Logging onto server allows me to connect to my databases, show the tables, but I can't select anything: I get error 1146 (42S02) Table doesn't exist. I've never had this much difficulty running MySQL on many different Linux distributions, so I'm concluding Edgy just isn't fit for work. Does anyone know of any workarounds? Thanks, Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Tue Jan 9 17:48:59 2007 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:48:59 -0600 Subject: cron.daily In-Reply-To: <200701091826.54995.james@gray.net.au[0701!09.012546.qP]> References: <200701082251.50204.infopipe@gmx.net[0701!08.154951.2O]> <20070109005618.M64746@littlefish.ca> <200701091826.54995.james@gray.net.au[0701!09.012546.qP]> Message-ID: <20070109173752.M3692@littlefish.ca> On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:26:54 +1100, James Gray wrote > On Tuesday 09 January 2007 12:05, Scott Mazur wrote: > > Did you restart the crond service? Normally cron looks for changes to the > > /etc/crontab file. If this file hasn't changed, cron won't go looking for > > your changes until it gets restarted. I was recently burned on this > > myself :) > > Eh?? > > $ cat crontab > # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab > # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' > # command to install the new version when you edit this file. > # This file also has a username field, that none of the other crontabs do. > > ...and from the crond man page: > > Additionally, cron checks each minute to see if its spool > directory's modtime > (or the modtime on /etc/crontab) has changed, and if it has, cron > will then examine the modtime on all crontabs and reload those which > have changed. Thus cron need not be restarted whenever a crontab > file is modified. > > Whatever bit you, had little to do with restarting cron :) Yes, you're right. cron checks /etc/crontab automatically to see if there are any changes, no restart required, and by definition, run-parts re-scans the hourly, daily, weekly, monthly when they run so changes in these directories will be picked up automatically as well. I got bit on the /etc/cron.d directory which is not picked up automatically unless cron is restarted (or the /etc/crontab file is changed to trigger a refresh). But my experience didn't apply to the OP (cron.daily) anyway. The hand types faster than the brain thinks :) Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 9 17:31:33 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:31:33 -0400 Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell References: <874669.70606.qm@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Daniel Axtell wrote: > I've never had this much difficulty running MySQL on many different Linux > distributions, so I'm concluding Edgy just isn't fit for work. Does > anyone know of any workarounds? How do you expect help with that kind of attitude? -- derek From dan_axtell at yahoo.com Tue Jan 9 20:05:58 2007 From: dan_axtell at yahoo.com (Daniel Axtell) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:05:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <481765.18597.qm@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I've never had this much difficulty running MySQL on many different Linux > distributions, so I'm concluding Edgy just isn't fit for work. Does > anyone know of any workarounds? How do you expect help with that kind of attitude? -- Oh, I didn't realize that spending hours struggling to get the most popular open source database working on a stock installation was supposed to make me prefer Kubuntu to every other distribution I've tried or used over the years (Mandrake, Cent OS, Red Hat) which have never had this problem. How silly of me, guess I forgot to drink the Koolaid. The Edgy desktop looks and runs great. Not being able to use my machine for work kind of undercuts the thrill. Let's see what OpenSUSE can do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lure at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 9 20:25:59 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:25:59 +0100 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot In-Reply-To: <70jc74-7fb.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <200701081817.12212.philsf@ufrj.br> <70jc74-7fb.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701092125.59797.lure@ubuntu.com> On Tuesday 9. January 2007 14:47, Derek Broughton wrote: > Doh! I never even noticed the "advanced" tab. Thanks! I prefer "System > Settings" to kcontrol, but frequently couldn't find all the options > in "System Settings". That is why you have also search box on the top. Just try it and enjoy! Regards, Luka From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jan 9 21:22:03 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:22:03 -0500 Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell In-Reply-To: <481765.18597.qm@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <481765.18597.qm@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701091622.03901.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 15:05, Daniel Axtell wrote: > >> I've never had this much difficulty running MySQL on many different > >> Linux distributions, so I'm concluding Edgy just isn't fit for work. > >> Does anyone know of any workarounds? >> >>How do you expect help with that kind of attitude? Unforch, your reply was below the commonly accepted marker for .sig attachments, (a dash dash space) so it is not included in this reply until I copy & paste it: >Oh, I didn't realize that spending hours struggling to get the most >popular open source database working on a stock installation was >supposed to make me prefer Kubuntu to every other distribution I've >tried or used over the years (Mandrake, Cent OS, Red Hat) which have >never had this problem. How silly of me, guess I forgot to drink the >Koolaid. > The Edgy desktop looks and runs great. Not being able to use my machine >for work kind of undercuts the thrill. > Let's see what OpenSUSE can do. The flavor of the Koolaid has nothing to do with it IMO. So if the distro, any distro, has a problem with what you are trying to do, then its the distro who should fix it. But they only can fix it with concrete facts and bug reports, which your rant certainly isn't. Coming in here like a Roman Emperor ready to call the guards and make heads roll just because it doesn't work OOTB is considered very poor form and will get you buzz off replies, everytime, on ANY distro's mailing list. Bear in mind that MySQL recently changed the license, potentially making it incompatible with a truly opensource distribution, so you may want to take a look at postgreSQL which in my observations seems to be the more capable SQL of the two. We have looked at both for various duties around the tv station several times since starting to do things with linux in 1997 and have chosen postgreSQL everytime. And I for one, will never trust the Koolaid openSUSE serves, its tainted beyond recovery with microsoft seasonings now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From james at gray.net.au Tue Jan 9 23:18:58 2007 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:18:58 +1100 Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell In-Reply-To: <874669.70606.qm@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <874669.70606.qm@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701101019.02272.james@gray.net.au> On Wednesday 10 January 2007 03:26, Daniel Axtell wrote: > I'm trying to set up a new Edgy AMD-64 system as my main development box, > and MySQL is killing me. PEBCAC - I've had both MySQL 5 and 4.1, running on this Edgy box straight from the standard repos. James -- Every cloud has a silver lining; you should have sold it, and bought titanium. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They can be read from nVidia documents: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/chapter-03-section-02.html Config options: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-d.html E.g. I like to use some more parameters e.g. to hide boot logo, etc. But check also your driver version - there might be differences with earlier versions. > I've a problem with my Nvidia Ge-force. Every time I reboot my system > the settings of my graphic card reset and I have to relaunch the > nvidia-settings. The results of a shel is the follow: > > > ERROR: Error parsing configuration file > '/home/daniele/.nvidia-settings-rc' on > line 33: 'casa:0.0/RedBrightness=0.000000' (Trailing garbage). From ed.lau at mail.ee Tue Jan 9 23:35:39 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:35:39 +0200 Subject: VNC Viewer In-Reply-To: <880dece00701021236j1066040bu2216dfb19fe2c3c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com> <200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com> <14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com> <458E85F6.30908@mail.ee> <880dece00612240647t31388bf4i55095b8985eb5253@mail.gmail.com> <14cf5ea70612260451s23746ef1u25ec7c4a94210ae0@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701021236j1066040bu2216dfb19fe2c3c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A426CB.7030605@mail.ee> >> TightVNC is in the repos (universe i think not sure) >> do sudo aptitude update & aptitude search tightvnc >> then sudo aptitude install "the name that appears" > Thanks. I did install xtightvncviewer, but it is apparently the same > annoying program that I was refering to in my original post. Check this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/x11vnc It works for me in different Linux distros (Ubuntu, Suse, CentOS) and desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox)... From fsunoles at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 23:51:53 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:51:53 -0700 Subject: Require password to stop Message-ID: <75db45220701091551t7fca5421r8ddbe98114e2bb9d@mail.gmail.com> If I set up the screensaver to "Require password to stop" I don't get the results I'm after. That is, I never have to provide my password. It is as if I never selected the option. I can lock the screen and invoke the screensaver with the lock icon the ability is there. From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Wed Jan 10 00:10:48 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:10:48 -0500 Subject: Require password to stop In-Reply-To: <75db45220701091551t7fca5421r8ddbe98114e2bb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701091551t7fca5421r8ddbe98114e2bb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A42F08.4000705@optonline.net> Gary Hodges wrote: >If I set up the screensaver to "Require password to stop" I don't get >the results I'm after. That is, I never have to provide my password. >It is as if I never selected the option. I can lock the screen and >invoke the screensaver with the lock icon the ability is there. > > > Heh...with the lock option set, I always have to lock the screen with the icon, or right click on the desktop, otherwise the screensaver doesn´t even start. It´s weird...Nonetheless, I choose to keep it that way, since my entire business is on my computer, financial files, work, etc...I can´t afford to have childrens and such poking around and messing stuff up. tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 10 00:16:15 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:16:15 -0500 Subject: ntfsclone and ntfsresize In-Reply-To: <45A3C113.5020103@gmail.com> References: <45A3C113.5020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701091916.23351.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 11:21, Preston Smith wrote: > 1) Running chkdsk from XP Home finds nothing wrong with the drive so it > appears that the Linux ntfs utilities are more sensitive then XP's.  Is > this so? 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Does > > anyone know of any workarounds? > > How do you expect help with that kind of attitude? > -- > Oh, I didn't realize that spending hours struggling to get the most popular > open source database working on a stock installation was supposed to make > me prefer Kubuntu to every other distribution I've tried or used over the > years (Mandrake, Cent OS, Red Hat) which have never had this problem. How > silly of me, guess I forgot to drink the Koolaid. > > The Edgy desktop looks and runs great. Not being able to use my machine > for work kind of undercuts the thrill. > > Let's see what OpenSUSE can do. Obviously, he doesn't want help. He just wants to complain. Sometimes its OK to just blow off steam. The worst is when people actually take offense, respond and turn something like this into a lengthy thread. Oops! 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You may download Realplayer for Linux - http://www.real.com/ If you will go there under Linux, the web page recognizes your operating system and will offer Linux version - RealPlayer10GOLD.bin Download it, change it executable (chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin). Then run it as root - sudo ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin 2. You may install Helix Player: sudo apt-get install helix-player Also other stuff is available: sudo apt-cache search helixplayer From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 10 00:53:02 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:53:02 -0500 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet Message-ID: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> I'm a little stuck and cant find the full answer on the (k)ubuntu forums. On Sat morning my wife's laptop, running XP corrupted itself to oblivion, so I spent 12 hours reloading her entire system. This was a fairly urgent reload as she is taking online courses. The thought occured to me while I was reloading XP that she could use my laptop--Kubuntu Edgy--to access her courseware. So I tried to login to her courseware website and got everything to work except the lectures that are built in Quicktime videos. When I went digging through the forums, I discovered I didnt have VLC, so I downloaded it and successfully tested it with *.mov videos on my harddrive. I then set up Konqueror to recognize VLC as the default player for the quicktime file type. When I click on a video link from the web VLC launches, attempts to load, then aborts the play. I get the same effect with Konqueror using KMplayer for quicktime. Kmplayer aborts play immediately when using GStreamer and Mplayer. When it is set to use XINE, I get a very brief flash inside the movie player that reminds one of poor reception on a UHF/VHF television signal, then XINE immediately aborts the play. No error messages are displayed during any of the aborts. My gut feeling says I am close to a solution, but obviously not close enough, can someone give me some pointers or a link to a website? No ranting here, I am very pleased with Kubuntu... ...and hopefully I sent this without hijacking another thread! :-) Larry From nixternal at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 10 01:29:31 2007 From: nixternal at ubuntu.com (Rich Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:29:31 -0600 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701091929.35143.nixternal@ubuntu.com> Have you installed w32codecs as explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb ^^ download and install that file. You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting install. 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Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and hit > enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should fix your > problem. I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled it to no avail. I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe my software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there any decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be looking for? I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based combination, then I have isolated the problem some. Larry From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 10 01:40:15 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:40:15 -0400 Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell References: <481765.18597.qm@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Daniel Axtell wrote: >>> I've never had this much difficulty running MySQL on many different >>> Linux distributions, so I'm concluding Edgy just isn't fit for >>> work.  Does anyone know of any workarounds? >> >> How do you expect help with that kind of attitude? > Oh, I didn't realize that spending hours struggling to get the most > popular open source database working on a stock installation was supposed > to make me prefer Kubuntu to every other distribution I've tried or used I haven't said it should. However, asking for help, while giving details of the problem, is sure to get more helpful responses than saying "edgy just isn't fit for work", which is completely incorrect _and_ annoying. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 10 01:45:27 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:45:27 -0400 Subject: selecting GRUB option for next reboot References: <200612290755.32936.philsf@ufrj.br> <200701081817.12212.philsf@ufrj.br> <70jc74-7fb.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200701092125.59797.lure@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Luka Renko wrote: > On Tuesday 9. January 2007 14:47, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Doh! I never even noticed the "advanced" tab. Thanks! I prefer "System >> Settings" to kcontrol, but frequently couldn't find all the options >> in "System Settings". > > That is why you have also search box on the top. Just try it and enjoy! > When one thinks he can see all the items to be searched, searching doesn't seem very necessary :-) Anyway, I think I'd already dismissed it - it doesn't work very reliably. Now that I try it again, putting "login" in the search box, it says "2 hits in General / 1 hit in Advanced". That would have been enough to clue me in to the advanced tab, but there don't really seem to _be_ any applets related to "login" on the general tab - at least nothing is highlighted, as "Login Manager" is on the advanced tab. Anyway, thanks for putting me straight. -- derek From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 10 02:26:04 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:26:04 -0500 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <200701092102.22593.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701091929.35143.nixternal@ubuntu.com> <200701092102.22593.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701092126.04307.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Response to my earlier post. Firefox didn't work for me either.... Just wondering, are there different versions of quicktime video streaming out there? When I loaded a version of quicktime on my wife's XP laptop the video lectures didnt play....then I upgraded quicktime to the latest version off the web they worked fine. On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:02, Larry Hartman wrote: > On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:29, Rich Johnson wrote: > > Have you installed w32codecs as explained at > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? > > > > http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022 > >-0 .0_i386.deb > > > > ^^ download and install that file. > > > > You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting > > install. Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and hit > > enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should fix your > > problem. > > I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the > package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled it > to no avail. > > I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe my > software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there any > decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be looking > for? > > I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based > combination, then I have isolated the problem some. > > Larry From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 10 02:26:04 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:26:04 -0500 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <200701092102.22593.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701091929.35143.nixternal@ubuntu.com> <200701092102.22593.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701092126.04307.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Response to my earlier post. Firefox didn't work for me either.... Just wondering, are there different versions of quicktime video streaming out there? When I loaded a version of quicktime on my wife's XP laptop the video lectures didnt play....then I upgraded quicktime to the latest version off the web they worked fine. On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:02, Larry Hartman wrote: > On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:29, Rich Johnson wrote: > > Have you installed w32codecs as explained at > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? > > > > http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022 > >-0 .0_i386.deb > > > > ^^ download and install that file. > > > > You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting > > install. Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and hit > > enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should fix your > > problem. > > I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the > package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled it > to no avail. > > I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe my > software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there any > decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be looking > for? > > I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based > combination, then I have isolated the problem some. > > Larry From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 03:04:56 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:04:56 -0600 Subject: proc - cpuinfo Message-ID: anyone know if you edit /proc/cpuinfo if it will do anything or is this just a file that is read by the system and if you edit it nothing happens? -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vayu at sklinks.com Wed Jan 10 03:08:38 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:38 -0800 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <200701092126.04307.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701091929.35143.nixternal@ubuntu.com> <200701092102.22593.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701092126.04307.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> There are different versions. I believe I can only play up to version 6 on Linux, whereas for Windows and Mac it's up to 7.something. I think the newer apple authoring software makes it so that you need the latest version. See if you can play a .mov from another source, this link plays for me in both Konqueror and Firefox (even though it says it requires version 7): http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/sweetland/trailer/ If this doesn't work for you, you might want to try what I did. I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org. I noticed when I went to the site just now it went to an Edgy page, but I think they have a Dapper page somewhere if you look for it (if that's what you need). Larry Hartman wrote: > Response to my earlier post. Firefox didn't work for me either.... > > Just wondering, are there different versions of quicktime video streaming out > there? When I loaded a version of quicktime on my wife's XP laptop the video > lectures didnt play....then I upgraded quicktime to the latest version off > the web they worked fine. > > On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:02, Larry Hartman wrote: > >> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:29, Rich Johnson wrote: >> >>> Have you installed w32codecs as explained at >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? >>> >>> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022 >>> -0 .0_i386.deb >>> >>> ^^ download and install that file. >>> >>> You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting >>> install. Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and hit >>> enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should fix your >>> problem. >>> >> I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the >> package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled it >> to no avail. >> >> I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe my >> software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there any >> decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be looking >> for? >> >> I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based >> combination, then I have isolated the problem some. >> >> Larry >> > > From vayu at sklinks.com Wed Jan 10 03:33:14 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:33:14 -0800 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701091929.35143.nixternal@ubuntu.com> <200701092102.22593.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701092126.04307.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <45A45E7A.2030201@sklinks.com> Vayu wrote: > There are different versions. I believe I can only play up to version 6 > on Linux, whereas for Windows and Mac it's up to 7.something. I think > the newer apple authoring software makes it so that you need the latest > version. > > See if you can play a .mov from another source, this link plays for me > in both Konqueror and Firefox (even though it says it requires version 7): > http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/sweetland/trailer/ > > If this doesn't work for you, you might want to try what I did. I > followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org. I noticed when I went to > the site just now it went to an Edgy page, but I think they have a > Dapper page somewhere if you look for it (if that's what you need). > > > PS. I did spend a bit of time getting the plugins in the right directories. I had to make symlinks from where they were installed to some other directories. Then finally in Konqueror I had to go to a kcontrol type of screen somewhere and tell it to update plugins. If you can't play the above video and can't get it to work after following ubuntuguide, I can look up exactly where I have what. > Larry Hartman wrote: > >> Response to my earlier post. Firefox didn't work for me either.... >> >> Just wondering, are there different versions of quicktime video streaming out >> there? When I loaded a version of quicktime on my wife's XP laptop the video >> lectures didnt play....then I upgraded quicktime to the latest version off >> the web they worked fine. >> >> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:02, Larry Hartman wrote: >> >> >>> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:29, Rich Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Have you installed w32codecs as explained at >>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? >>>> >>>> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022 >>>> -0 .0_i386.deb >>>> >>>> ^^ download and install that file. >>>> >>>> You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting >>>> install. Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and hit >>>> enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should fix your >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> >>> I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the >>> package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled it >>> to no avail. >>> >>> I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe my >>> software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there any >>> decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be looking >>> for? >>> >>> I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based >>> combination, then I have isolated the problem some. >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 10 05:55:20 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:55:20 -0500 Subject: proc - cpuinfo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701100055.20217.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 10:04 pm, Lokeey wrote: > anyone know if you edit /proc/cpuinfo if it will do anything or is this > just a file that is read by the system and if you edit it nothing happens? It's not a real file, and you can't edit it. If you want to edit it for some reason, you can take a copy, and edit that as a text file, though you can't affect the real pseudo file in any way. man proc for more details. -- D. Michael McIntyre From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 08:15:05 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:15:05 +0200 Subject: VNC Viewer In-Reply-To: <45A426CB.7030605@mail.ee> References: <880dece00612221009v38337680w92a1cc4866609dfa@mail.gmail.com> <200612221613.08977.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00612221644g68b271bbydb52768344c71cb7@mail.gmail.com> <14cf5ea70612240349n30196903ge1085a8815a6650d@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00612240527p7278fc42g7cdb38e902042cc8@mail.gmail.com> <458E85F6.30908@mail.ee> <880dece00612240647t31388bf4i55095b8985eb5253@mail.gmail.com> <14cf5ea70612260451s23746ef1u25ec7c4a94210ae0@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701021236j1066040bu2216dfb19fe2c3c3@mail.gmail.com> <45A426CB.7030605@mail.ee> Message-ID: <880dece00701100015j4948b257u255c714039d14d3b@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/07, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > >> TightVNC is in the repos (universe i think not sure) > >> do sudo aptitude update & aptitude search tightvnc > >> then sudo aptitude install "the name that appears" > > Thanks. I did install xtightvncviewer, but it is apparently the same > > annoying program that I was refering to in my original post. > > > Check this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/x11vnc > > It works for me in different Linux distros (Ubuntu, Suse, CentOS) and > desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox)... > Thank you, that seems rather useful. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/97/321/madonna/the_immaculate_collection.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/skype.html From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Wed Jan 10 09:17:03 2007 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:17:03 +0000 Subject: Edgy/MySQL hell In-Reply-To: <200701101019.02272.james@gray.net.au> References: <874669.70606.qm@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200701101019.02272.james@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <45A4AF0F.9020403@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> James Gray wrote: > On Wednesday 10 January 2007 03:26, Daniel Axtell wrote: > >> I'm trying to set up a new Edgy AMD-64 system as my main development box, >> and MySQL is killing me. >> > > PEBCAC - I've had both MySQL 5 and 4.1, running on this Edgy box straight from > the standard repos. > > James > To add to that, I have had mysql 5.0.24a-9 running on my Kubuntu Edgy box straight from the standard install with no problems. Neil Winchurst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 10 10:41:34 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:41:34 -0500 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <45A45E7A.2030201@sklinks.com> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> <45A45E7A.2030201@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> If you dont mind please provide the how-to for plugin placement. The link you provided loaded, but aborted play. Just another think to learn and overcome. Thank you Larry On Tuesday 09 January 2007 22:33, Vayu wrote: > Vayu wrote: > > There are different versions. I believe I can only play up to version 6 > > on Linux, whereas for Windows and Mac it's up to 7.something. I think > > the newer apple authoring software makes it so that you need the latest > > version. > > > > See if you can play a .mov from another source, this link plays for me > > in both Konqueror and Firefox (even though it says it requires version > > 7): http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/sweetland/trailer/ > > > > If this doesn't work for you, you might want to try what I did. I > > followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org. I noticed when I went to > > the site just now it went to an Edgy page, but I think they have a > > Dapper page somewhere if you look for it (if that's what you need). > > PS. > > I did spend a bit of time getting the plugins in the right directories. > I had to make symlinks from where they were installed to some other > directories. > > Then finally in Konqueror I had to go to a kcontrol type of screen > somewhere and tell it to update plugins. > > If you can't play the above video and can't get it to work after > following ubuntuguide, I can look up exactly where I have what. > > > Larry Hartman wrote: > >> Response to my earlier post. Firefox didn't work for me either.... > >> > >> Just wondering, are there different versions of quicktime video > >> streaming out there? When I loaded a version of quicktime on my wife's > >> XP laptop the video lectures didnt play....then I upgraded quicktime to > >> the latest version off the web they worked fine. > >> > >> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:02, Larry Hartman wrote: > >>> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:29, Rich Johnson wrote: > >>>> Have you installed w32codecs as explained at > >>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? > >>>> > >>>> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061 > >>>>022 -0 .0_i386.deb > >>>> > >>>> ^^ download and install that file. > >>>> > >>>> You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting > >>>> install. Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and > >>>> hit enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should fix > >>>> your problem. > >>> > >>> I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the > >>> package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled > >>> it to no avail. > >>> > >>> I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe > >>> my software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there > >>> any decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be > >>> looking for? > >>> > >>> I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based > >>> combination, then I have isolated the problem some. > >>> > >>> Larry From stranger1121 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 11:06:13 2007 From: stranger1121 at gmail.com (stranger1121) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:06:13 -0100 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> <45A45E7A.2030201@sklinks.com> <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Try kaffeine and kaffeine plugin to the firefox.Others multimedia plugins to firefox remove. 2007/1/10, Larry Hartman : > If you dont mind please provide the how-to for plugin placement. The link > you > provided loaded, but aborted play. Just another think to learn and > overcome. > > Thank you > > Larry > > > On Tuesday 09 January 2007 22:33, Vayu wrote: > > Vayu wrote: > > > There are different versions. I believe I can only play up to version 6 > > > on Linux, whereas for Windows and Mac it's up to 7.something. I think > > > the newer apple authoring software makes it so that you need the latest > > > version. > > > > > > See if you can play a .mov from another source, this link plays for me > > > in both Konqueror and Firefox (even though it says it requires version > > > 7): http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/sweetland/trailer/ > > > > > > If this doesn't work for you, you might want to try what I did. I > > > followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org. I noticed when I went to > > > the site just now it went to an Edgy page, but I think they have a > > > Dapper page somewhere if you look for it (if that's what you need). > > > > PS. > > > > I did spend a bit of time getting the plugins in the right directories. > > I had to make symlinks from where they were installed to some other > > directories. > > > > Then finally in Konqueror I had to go to a kcontrol type of screen > > somewhere and tell it to update plugins. > > > > If you can't play the above video and can't get it to work after > > following ubuntuguide, I can look up exactly where I have what. > > > > > Larry Hartman wrote: > > >> Response to my earlier post. Firefox didn't work for me either.... > > >> > > >> Just wondering, are there different versions of quicktime video > > >> streaming out there? When I loaded a version of quicktime on my wife's > > >> XP laptop the video lectures didnt play....then I upgraded quicktime to > > >> the latest version off the web they worked fine. > > >> > > >> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:02, Larry Hartman wrote: > > >>> On Tuesday 09 January 2007 20:29, Rich Johnson wrote: > > >>>> Have you installed w32codecs as explained at > > >>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats? > > >>>> > > >>>> > http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061 > > >>>>022 -0 .0_i386.deb > > >>>> > > >>>> ^^ download and install that file. > > >>>> > > >>>> You can install it by clicking on it or right clicking and selecting > > >>>> install. Or you can open up Konsole (Alt+Space then type konsole and > > >>>> hit enter, or Alt+F2 then type konsole and hit enter). This should > fix > > >>>> your problem. > > >>> > > >>> I did this a long time ago, but I just checked and confirmed that the > > >>> package was the same version. I also just deinstalled and reinstalled > > >>> it to no avail. > > >>> > > >>> I am assuming that the Quicktime video is DivX compression. I believe > > >>> my software is installed correctly as best as I can tell. Are there > > >>> any decompression/bitrate/frequency-type settings that I need to be > > >>> looking for? > > >>> > > >>> I am going to check out Firefox, if it works in a Firefox based > > >>> combination, then I have isolated the problem some. > > >>> > > >>> Larry > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 10 14:04:29 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:04:29 -0800 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> <45A45E7A.2030201@sklinks.com> <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <874pqz7zbm.fsf@fjellstad.org> Larry Hartman writes: > If you dont mind please provide the how-to for plugin placement. The > link you provided loaded, but aborted play. Just another think to > learn and overcome. Do you have the mozilla-mplayer package installed? -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From jim at jimbyers.com Wed Jan 10 14:38:38 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:38:38 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation Message-ID: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> Would someone be so kind to give me specific instructions for installing Java and Flash on 32bit Firefox application? Thanks much, Jim From jcsanchez2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 14:47:56 2007 From: jcsanchez2 at gmail.com (JuanCarlos) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:47:56 +0100 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45A4FC9C.9080609@gmail.com> you can take a look here, with some helpful tips..... Jim Byers escribió: > Would someone be so kind to give me specific instructions for installing > Java and Flash on 32bit Firefox application? > > Thanks much, > > Jim > > From jcsanchez2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 14:52:14 2007 From: jcsanchez2 at gmail.com (JuanCarlos) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:52:14 +0100 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <45A4FC9C.9080609@gmail.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A4FC9C.9080609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A4FD9E.3080706@gmail.com> ups forgot to copy the link http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy with more detail here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Java_.26_Non-Media_Browser_Plug-ins Regards jc JuanCarlos escribió: > you can take a look here, with some helpful tips..... > > Jim Byers escribió: > >> Would someone be so kind to give me specific instructions for installing >> Java and Flash on 32bit Firefox application? >> >> Thanks much, >> >> Jim >> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have downloaded jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin, but I have not been able to fakeroot make, ..... per the directions. I would welcome some more suggestions for a newbie. Thanks, Jim JuanCarlos wrote: > > ups forgot to copy the link > > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy > > with more detail here: > > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Java_.26_Non-Media_Browser_Plug-ins > > > Regards > > jc > JuanCarlos escribió: >> you can take a look here, with some helpful tips..... >> >> Jim Byers escribió: >> >>> Would someone be so kind to give me specific instructions for installing >>> Java and Flash on 32bit Firefox application? >>> >>> Thanks much, >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 16:58:03 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:58:03 +0200 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <45A51818.90804@jimbyers.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A4FD9E.3080706@gmail.com> <45A51818.90804@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701101858.03905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I have downloaded > jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin Sounds like you have a binary file there. You can't 'make' those. Try this: sudo sh jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin And then type your password and hope! Better to use apt (aptitude/Synaptic) Just a guess - Java ain't my thing. /d From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 16:58:38 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:58:38 -0600 Subject: Kafefine not working.. Message-ID: Hey all, I'm not sure where to begin as far as troubleshooting this semi-minor issue. Recently I installed Edgy...prior to that I had a Dapper on there and everything was working fine with Kaffeine. Even websites that have Realplayer stuff playing on there would work just fine with Kaffeine. For instance, if you got to nfl.com they have some video playing there and it would show the video and play it. Now it just shows Kaffeine Plugin and nothing plays. Or Kaffeine will launch and I can hear sound, but no video. Also, this worked fine before with any type of wave file. For some reason now all I get is sound, but no video. Okay, here's the killer part...I'm able to view videos that I previously had backed up prior to installing Edgy, but not able to view any videos that I download now. YouTube use to play just fine, now like nfl.com, Kaffeine launches but nothing. I'm stumped and not sure where to begin troubleshooting this issue. -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 17:20:22 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0200 Subject: Kafefine not working.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701101920.22179.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > YouTube use to > play just fine, now like nfl.com, Kaffeine launches but nothing. Far as I know YouTube uses Flash to play vids - perhaps Kaf is fine and Flash is b0rked ? /d From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 17:26:13 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:26:13 -0600 Subject: Kaffeine not working.. Message-ID: interesting...i see flashplugin-nonfree in adept mngr and i see i have swf-player installed...should i do the nonfree one? On 1/10/07, Donn wrote: > > > YouTube use to > > play just fine, now like nfl.com, Kaffeine launches but nothing. > Far as I know YouTube uses Flash to play vids - perhaps Kaf is fine and > Flash > is b0rked ? > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Flash is only non-free, so you don't have a choice if you need it. /d From vayu at sklinks.com Wed Jan 10 18:30:20 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:30:20 -0800 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45A458B6.5060608@sklinks.com> <45A45E7A.2030201@sklinks.com> <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <45A530BC.2010303@sklinks.com> Larry Hartman wrote: > If you dont mind please provide the how-to for plugin placement. The link you > provided loaded, but aborted play. Just another think to learn and overcome. > > Thank you > > Larry > > > I followed ubuntuguide.org to install Multimedia codecs. sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base \ gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse \ gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse w32codecs I installed mozilla-mplayer sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer So I believe I have everything in these two directories: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/firefox/plugins You can type about:plugins in firefox to see what it thinks is installed. Mine shows quicktime 6, via mplayer 3.25. You also can go to Konqueror/settings/configure konqueror/plugins You can see what plugins it has, you can also scan for plugins /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.xpt /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nphelix.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libunixprintplugin.so From jim at jimbyers.com Wed Jan 10 19:11:10 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:11:10 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <200701101858.03905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A4FD9E.3080706@gmail.com> <45A51818.90804@jimbyers.com> <200701101858.03905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A53A4E.3090601@jimbyers.com> Donn, Thanks for the insight on initiating the bin file and for aptitude-synaptic. I have not been able to install flash plugin after kicking off the bin file. I know you said Java was not your cup of tea, so to speak, but maybe some can give me additional hints where to go from here. Thanks again, Jim Donn wrote: >> I have downloaded >> jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin >> > > Sounds like you have a binary file there. You can't 'make' those. > Try this: > sudo sh jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin > And then type your password and hope! > > Better to use apt (aptitude/Synaptic) > > Just a guess - Java ain't my thing. > /d > > From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 19:21:52 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:21:52 +0000 Subject: Kaffeine not working.. In-Reply-To: <200701102004.29812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701102004.29812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes you need flashplugin-nonfree. -- Freddy Martinez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 19:26:19 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:26:19 +0200 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <45A53A4E.3090601@jimbyers.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <200701101858.03905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45A53A4E.3090601@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701102126.19574.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > aptitude-synaptic. I have not been able to install flash plugin after > kicking off the bin file. I am confused here - what is the relationship between Flash and Java? Did Java install okay? Have you tested it by running an app or something? /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 19:33:38 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:33:38 +0200 Subject: Kafefine not working.. In-Reply-To: References: <200701101920.22179.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701102133.38199.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Which flash package do you have installed? > Which Java package do you have installed? > What extensions do you have installed? I confess to ignorance - I did 'em all through Automatix and now it all "just works". :) My ~/.mozilla/plugins looks like this flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so mplayerplug-in.so HTH /d From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 19:35:42 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:35:42 +0000 Subject: Kafefine not working.. In-Reply-To: <200701102133.38199.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701101920.22179.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701102133.38199.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: about:plugins in your address bar will show more detail. Does it work now? On 1/10/07, Donn wrote: > > > Which flash package do you have installed? > > Which Java package do you have installed? > > What extensions do you have installed? > I confess to ignorance - I did 'em all through Automatix and now it all > "just > works". :) > > My ~/.mozilla/plugins looks like this > flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so mplayerplug-in.so > > HTH > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 19:35:58 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:35:58 -0600 Subject: Kafefine not working.. In-Reply-To: <200701102133.38199.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701101920.22179.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701102133.38199.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: hahaahahah...i'll have to check it out when i get home. i just got to work. On 1/10/07, Donn wrote: > > > Which flash package do you have installed? > > Which Java package do you have installed? > > What extensions do you have installed? > I confess to ignorance - I did 'em all through Automatix and now it all > "just > works". :) > > My ~/.mozilla/plugins looks like this > flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so mplayerplug-in.so > > HTH > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at jimbyers.com Wed Jan 10 19:47:21 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:47:21 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <200701102126.19574.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <200701101858.03905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45A53A4E.3090601@jimbyers.com> <200701102126.19574.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A542C9.8020502@jimbyers.com> I need Java installed for sync with my remote ldap address book. Thus far that is still not working. I want flash and other plugins so I can view video in Firefox. I see that you are now at work, but I certainly appreciate your diligence. Jim Donn wrote: >> aptitude-synaptic. I have not been able to install flash plugin after >> kicking off the bin file. >> > I am confused here - what is the relationship between Flash and Java? > > Did Java install okay? Have you tested it by running an app or something? > > > /d > > From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 10 21:19:29 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:19:29 -0800 Subject: Java 5 Installation References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A4FC9C.9080609@gmail.com> <45A4FD9E.3080706@gmail.com> <45A51818.90804@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <87hcuyvau6.fsf@fjellstad.org> Jim Byers writes: > I have tried following the steps and commands on the Ubuntu page you > reference, but my ignorance is a barrier. I have downloaded > jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin, but I have not been able to fakeroot make, > ..... per the directions. I would welcome some more suggestions for a > newbie. If you are running Edgy, you could have just done aptitude install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin Since you finished the installation of jre*bin, you have to make symlink of all your binaries in /bin to /usr/local/bin (for instance, java and javaws) To make java work in firefox, you need to make a symlink from /jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. I would do one thing at a time. First get java working, then work on flash. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From mike at depolis.com Wed Jan 10 22:39:23 2007 From: mike at depolis.com (Mike DePolis) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:39:23 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <87hcuyvau6.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A4FC9C.9080609@gmail.com> <45A4FD9E.3080706@gmail.com> <45A51818.90804@jimbyers.com> <87hcuyvau6.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <45A56B1B.4060304@depolis.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't currently have mysql installed, but i do have a backup of krecipes db that used it, I may install it just to see if I can reproduce this. Could be a bug, maybe not. lets not completely dismiss this just because It Works For Me. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at jimbyers.com Wed Jan 10 23:12:55 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:12:55 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <45A56B1B.4060304@depolis.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A4FC9C.9080609@gmail.com> <45A4FD9E.3080706@gmail.com> <45A51818.90804@jimbyers.com> <87hcuyvau6.fsf@fjellstad.org> <45A56B1B.4060304@depolis.com> Message-ID: <45A572F7.2050202@jimbyers.com> I have installed flash and adobe and both are working with Firefox. I have installed Java and moved and have discovered that I am missing > libjavaplugin_oji.so I downloaded this file from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202537&highlight=firefox+plugins In the directions he says that I should be able to double click this file and use "Gedebi" to install it. When I double click, I can find no action option for Gedebi. Can you advise? If that does not work, I will follow your suggestion on Automatix. Should I go down that path, will I have to uninstall Firefox and start over? Thanks, Jim Mike DePolis wrote: > Alternatively, you could just use Automatix to accomplish this. Very > easy and automatic. Just install Automatix and choose the components > you want. > > John L Fjellstad wrote: >> Jim Byers writes: >> >> >>> I have tried following the steps and commands on the Ubuntu page you >>> reference, but my ignorance is a barrier. I have downloaded >>> jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin, but I have not been able to fakeroot make, >>> ..... per the directions. I would welcome some more suggestions for a >>> newbie. >>> >> >> If you are running Edgy, you could have just done >> aptitude install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin >> >> Since you finished the installation of jre*bin, you have to make symlink >> of all your binaries in /bin to /usr/local/bin >> (for instance, java and javaws) >> To make java work in firefox, you need to make a symlink from >> /jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to >> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. >> >> I would do one thing at a time. First get java working, then work on >> flash. >> From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 23:15:33 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:15:33 -0600 Subject: Kaffeine not working.. In-Reply-To: References: <200701102004.29812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: here's the error i'm getting.... A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: cook.so On 1/10/07, Freddy Martinez wrote: > > Yes you need flashplugin-nonfree. > -- > Freddy Martinez > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 23:27:02 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:27:02 +0200 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <45A572F7.2050202@jimbyers.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A56B1B.4060304@depolis.com> <45A572F7.2050202@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701110127.02941.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > If that does not work, I > will follow your suggestion on Automatix. Should I go down that path, > will I have to uninstall Firefox and start over? Automatix is the way to peace and harmony. You should not have to uninstall anything. If you are worried, save your bookmarks (Bookmarks > Manage Bookmarks > etc) and then you are set. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 23:28:46 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:28:46 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine not working.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701110128.46479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: cook.so I looked for that file: $ locate cook.so /home/donn/.gnome2/totem-addons/cook.so.6.0 /home/donn/.gnome2/totem-addons/cook.so /usr/lib/codecs/cook.so /usr/lib/codecs/cook.so.6.0 /usr/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0 /usr/lib/win32/cook.so So, you need to find it. I got it along with mplayer ( I think ) - via Automatix. /d From jim at jimbyers.com Wed Jan 10 23:28:03 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:28:03 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <200701110127.02941.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A56B1B.4060304@depolis.com> <45A572F7.2050202@jimbyers.com> <200701110127.02941.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A57683.7020100@jimbyers.com> Thanks to you and all who have been kind enough to hold my hand. Have a great evening. Donn wrote: >> If that does not work, I >> will follow your suggestion on Automatix. Should I go down that path, >> will I have to uninstall Firefox and start over? >> > Automatix is the way to peace and harmony. > > You should not have to uninstall anything. If you are worried, save your > bookmarks (Bookmarks > Manage Bookmarks > etc) and then you are set. > > /d > > From lokeey at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 00:28:18 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:28:18 -0600 Subject: Kaffeine not working.. In-Reply-To: <200701110128.46479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701110128.46479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: interesting...i'm able to view some .wmv and mostly all .mpg, but for some reason i'm only getting sound out of other .wmv my system is completely up-to-date on all the latest lib's and dependancies. i tried to install codecs through EasyUbuntu, but i got an error stating that the one i have installed is the latest. On 1/10/07, Donn wrote: > > > A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: cook.so > I looked for that file: > $ locate cook.so > /home/donn/.gnome2/totem-addons/cook.so.6.0 > /home/donn/.gnome2/totem-addons/cook.so > /usr/lib/codecs/cook.so > /usr/lib/codecs/cook.so.6.0 > /usr/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0 > /usr/lib/win32/cook.so > > So, you need to find it. I got it along with mplayer ( I think ) - via > Automatix. > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at jimbyers.com Thu Jan 11 00:47:49 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:47:49 -0600 Subject: Java 5 Installation In-Reply-To: <200701110127.02941.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A4FA6E.1040308@jimbyers.com> <45A56B1B.4060304@depolis.com> <45A572F7.2050202@jimbyers.com> <200701110127.02941.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A58935.8060809@jimbyers.com> Donn, You were not kidding that Automatix is the road to peace and harmony. My life is now much better. Thanks again. Jim Donn wrote: >> If that does not work, I >> will follow your suggestion on Automatix. Should I go down that path, >> will I have to uninstall Firefox and start over? >> > Automatix is the way to peace and harmony. > > You should not have to uninstall anything. If you are worried, save your > bookmarks (Bookmarks > Manage Bookmarks > etc) and then you are set. > > /d > > From lokeey at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 00:52:15 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:52:15 -0600 Subject: high mem Message-ID: I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing that it's up around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to manage mem usage better. -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edulix at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 01:03:42 2007 From: edulix at gmail.com (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:03:42 +0100 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701110203.47547.edulix@gmail.com> El Jueves, 11 de Enero de 2007 01:52, Lokeey escribió: > I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing that it's up > around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to manage mem usage better. Well, that's the way Linux manages memory: it uses as much as possible. Why would you want to have unused memory? Most probably, most of it is just cache. Don't worry it's normal and it's good. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 01:53:41 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:53:41 +0000 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: <200701110203.47547.edulix@gmail.com> References: <200701110203.47547.edulix@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, this way you don't have your memory idling, Unlike some non-free Operating Systems, which keep your system resources to themselves (regardless of how much you have), GNU/Linux keeps your system "prepared" to be used. It's smart like that. On 1/11/07, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > > El Jueves, 11 de Enero de 2007 01:52, Lokeey escribió: > > I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing that it's > up > > around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to manage mem usage > better. > > Well, that's the way Linux manages memory: it uses as much as possible. > Why > would you want to have unused memory? Most probably, most of it is just > cache. Don't worry it's normal and it's good. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lokeey at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 03:03:04 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:03:04 -0600 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: References: <200701110203.47547.edulix@gmail.com> Message-ID: i kinda figured that...i just wanted to make sure...as i never really noticed this until i started using karamba more 'n more with the cool widgets they offer. cool! thnk guys! On 1/10/07, Freddy Martinez wrote: > > Yes, this way you don't have your memory idling, Unlike some non-free > Operating Systems, which keep your system resources to themselves > (regardless of how much you have), GNU/Linux keeps your system "prepared" to > be used. It's smart like that. > > On 1/11/07, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > > > El Jueves, 11 de Enero de 2007 01:52, Lokeey escribió: > > > I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing that it's > > up > > > around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to manage mem usage > > better. > > > > Well, that's the way Linux manages memory: it uses as much as possible. > > Why > > would you want to have unused memory? Most probably, most of it is just > > cache. Don't worry it's normal and it's good. > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Freddy Martinez > Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. > www.chi.ubuntu-us.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel at rimspace.net Thu Jan 11 04:16:51 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:16:51 +1100 Subject: high mem References: Message-ID: <87ejq219l8.fsf@rimspace.net> Lokeey writes: > I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing that it's > up around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to manage mem usage > better. Others have pointed out that this is caused by Linux using your memory to cache disk content and is, consequently, a good thing(tm). You may find it interesting to fire up a console and run the command 'free', giving output like this: daniel at enki:~$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1035164 1020364 14800 0 10984 310948 -/+ buffers/cache: 698432 336732 Swap: 2409592 108012 2301580 As you can see my machine, with 1GB, uses the whole lot -- but 300MB or so of that is actually available once buffers and cache are taken into consideration. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From ian at themagictree.co.uk Thu Jan 11 05:48:49 2007 From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:48:49 +0000 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: <87ejq219l8.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <87ejq219l8.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <45A5CFC1.4070706@themagictree.co.uk> Daniel Pittman wrote: > Lokeey writes: > > >> I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing that it's >> up around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to manage mem usage >> better. >> > > Others have pointed out that this is caused by Linux using your memory > to cache disk content and is, consequently, a good thing(tm). > > You may find it interesting to fire up a console and run the command > 'free', giving output like this: > > daniel at enki:~$ free > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1035164 1020364 14800 0 10984 310948 > -/+ buffers/cache: 698432 336732 > Swap: 2409592 108012 2301580 > > As you can see my machine, with 1GB, uses the whole lot -- but 300MB or > so of that is actually available once buffers and cache are taken into > consideration. > > Regards, > Daniel > Also there is a nice real-time visual tool that gives you information about your memory (both physical and swap) which also gives the explanation about the value of disk cache. From the K-menu, System > KInfoCentre > Memory -- Ian From tudza at tudza.com Thu Jan 11 09:04:53 2007 From: tudza at tudza.com (tudza) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:04:53 -0800 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine Message-ID: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> I just installed Kubuntu on a machine that replaced my old Kubuntu machine. I used to be able to connect over ssh, but my connections are refused by this new install. I can ping the machine, so I know it's there, I have the correct ports forwarded on my router. Is there some firewall business in 6.0.6 that I somehow have running now that I didn't on my previous machine, updated from Hoary to Dapper? From jcsanchez2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 10:11:01 2007 From: jcsanchez2 at gmail.com (JuanCarlos) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:11:01 +0100 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> References: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> Message-ID: <45A60D35.6020605@gmail.com> just to be sure, but did you check that now you have ssh client an server installed in the new machine? check it out by doing dpkg -l |grep ssh and if is not there......you know: sudo apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server hope is just that....... jc tudza escribió: > I just installed Kubuntu on a machine that replaced my old Kubuntu machine. > > I used to be able to connect over ssh, but my connections are refused by > this new install. I can ping the machine, so I know it's there, I have > the correct ports forwarded on my router. > > Is there some firewall business in 6.0.6 that I somehow have running now > that I didn't on my previous machine, updated from Hoary to Dapper? > > From dgvirtual at akl.lt Thu Jan 11 10:31:36 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:31:36 +0200 Subject: Annoying reappearance of bookmarks toolbar in Konqueror Message-ID: <200701111231.36912.dgvirtual@akl.lt> I don't like to have Konqueror window cluttered with unimportant things, So I turn of the display of bookmarks toolbar. However, it constantly reappears. It happens in both the file browser and web browser profiles. Is this a bug? Is there a way to end with that? -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 10:42:23 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:42:23 +0200 Subject: Annoying reappearance of bookmarks toolbar in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701111231.36912.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200701111231.36912.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200701111242.23712.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I turn of the display of bookmarks toolbar. However, it constantly > reappears. It happens in both the file browser and web browser profiles. I use Kubuntu 6.06 and have not upgraded KDE - my Konqy is okay. Bookmarks stay away until I need 'em. Dunno how to help ya. We could cmp config files if you can find 'em. /d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 11 14:27:10 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:27:10 -0500 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <45A60D35.6020605@gmail.com> References: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> <45A60D35.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701110927.10512.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 11 January 2007 5:11 am, JuanCarlos wrote: > and if is not there......you know: > sudo apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server > > hope is just that....... I suspect it is. I've done two Kubuntu Dapper installs in the past while, and neither of them had the server installed out of the box (client, yes). I thought it was something more nefarious too, at first, since I can't remember the last time a distro installed without an ssh server, but there you go. -- D. Michael McIntyre From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 14:31:31 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:31:31 -0600 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <200701110927.10512.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> <45A60D35.6020605@gmail.com> <200701110927.10512.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: there should be a space. dpkg -l | grep ssh On 1/11/07, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Thursday 11 January 2007 5:11 am, JuanCarlos wrote: > > and if is not there......you know: > > sudo apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server > > > > hope is just that....... > > I suspect it is. I've done two Kubuntu Dapper installs in the past while, > and > neither of them had the server installed out of the box (client, yes). I > thought it was something more nefarious too, at first, since I can't > remember > the last time a distro installed without an ssh server, but there you go. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 14:40:21 2007 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:40:21 -0700 Subject: Annoying reappearance of bookmarks toolbar in Konqueror References: <200701111231.36912.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: Donatas G. wrote: > I don't like to have Konqueror window cluttered with unimportant things, > So I turn of the display of bookmarks toolbar. However, it constantly > reappears. It happens in both the file browser and web browser profiles. > > Is this a bug? Is there a way to end with that? I posted a message a few weeks ago about the opposite problem: I want the bookmarks toolbar always to appear but it constantly disappears. Do a search for that thread to see whether your situation is the same. I believe that there is a bug in the way Konqueror stores its configuration when KDE shuts down. -- Jeffrey Barish From jjesse at iserv.net Thu Jan 11 14:48:57 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:48:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: frustrations w/ usb drive being mounted read only Message-ID: <10844.198.105.65.197.1168526937.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Hello, I am currently running Edgy and it appears that maybe since a recent update my USB drive is being mounted read only or is changing in the midst of using it to read only. Let me explain, if you recall earlier I started a thread about my 120 Gig USB drive and the lsit helped me format it in vfat. SO I am trying to run some VMs off it and it seems in 4/5 reboots my USB drive is mounted read only if I have plugged in upon restart. Also it is "randomly" becoming read only in the midst of operations. Is the file system that I picked causing the problems? Should I have picked something better like ext3 or something? Any help on why a drive would suddenly become read only? -- Jonathan Jesse From jjesse at iserv.net Thu Jan 11 14:48:58 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:48:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: frustrations w/ usb drive being mounted read only Message-ID: <10925.198.105.65.197.1168526938.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Hello, I am currently running Edgy and it appears that maybe since a recent update my USB drive is being mounted read only or is changing in the midst of using it to read only. Let me explain, if you recall earlier I started a thread about my 120 Gig USB drive and the lsit helped me format it in vfat. SO I am trying to run some VMs off it and it seems in 4/5 reboots my USB drive is mounted read only if I have plugged in upon restart. Also it is "randomly" becoming read only in the midst of operations. Is the file system that I picked causing the problems? Should I have picked something better like ext3 or something? Any help on why a drive would suddenly become read only? -- Jonathan Jesse From jjesse at iserv.net Thu Jan 11 14:50:31 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:50:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: frustrations w/ usb drive being mounted read only In-Reply-To: <10925.198.105.65.197.1168526938.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <10925.198.105.65.197.1168526938.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <18336.198.105.65.197.1168527031.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> > Hello, > > I am currently running Edgy and it appears that maybe since a recent > update my USB drive is being mounted read only or is changing in the midst > of using it to read only. > Let me explain, if you recall earlier I started a thread about my 120 Gig > USB drive and the lsit helped me format it in vfat. > SO I am trying to run some VMs off it and it seems in 4/5 reboots my USB > drive is mounted read only if I have plugged in upon restart. Also it is > "randomly" becoming read only in the midst of operations. > Is the file system that I picked causing the problems? Should I have > picked something better like ext3 or something? > > Any help on why a drive would suddenly become read only? > > > -- > Jonathan Jesse > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Apologies for double posting, hit the send button twice cause I'm impatient -- Jonathan Jesse From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Thu Jan 11 17:33:07 2007 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:33:07 -0600 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070111171910.M95676@littlefish.ca> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:52:15 -0600, Lokeey wrote > I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing > that it's up around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to > manage mem usage better. The Linux Kernel will cache disk access to memory where ever and when ever it can. This increases performance by not having to go back to the hard drive every time a file is re-read. The cached memory is immediately released to applications when it's needed. Kinfocenter will give you an easy to read status of your memory, showing how much is used, and how much of it is disk cache vs application use. If disk cache is using up all your memory, that's perfectly normal. If applications are using up your memory, that's not normal. Application data will be copied in and out of swap space as required if they need more than the available memory. Applications can get shuffled to swap if you're running a large number applications at the same time, but with 1GB this shouldn't happen often. If you're filling up swap space, this is also not normal. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From lokeey at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 18:03:23 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:03:23 -0600 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: <20070111171910.M95676@littlefish.ca> References: <20070111171910.M95676@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: i haven't noticed my swap being used at all at home...work is different. i have the same amount of memory (1GB) on my work pc and swap usually hits up between 300-500. but i've never noticed any decrease in performance. On 1/11/07, Scott Mazur wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:52:15 -0600, Lokeey wrote > > I currently have 1GB of RAM installed and I've been noticing > > that it's up around 946 and as high as 980. is there a way to > > manage mem usage better. > > The Linux Kernel will cache disk access to memory where ever and when ever > it > can. This increases performance by not having to go back to the hard > drive > every time a file is re-read. The cached memory is immediately released > to > applications when it's needed. > > Kinfocenter will give you an easy to read status of your memory, showing > how > much is used, and how much of it is disk cache vs application use. If > disk > cache is using up all your memory, that's perfectly normal. If > applications > are using up your memory, that's not normal. Application data will be > copied > in and out of swap space as required if they need more than the available > memory. Applications can get shuffled to swap if you're running a large > number applications at the same time, but with 1GB this shouldn't happen > often. If you're filling up swap space, this is also not normal. > > Scott > > -- > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at depolis.com Thu Jan 11 18:18:15 2007 From: mike at depolis.com (Mike DePolis) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:18:15 -0600 Subject: high mem In-Reply-To: <20070111171910.M95676@littlefish.ca> References: <20070111171910.M95676@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <45A67F67.5010501@depolis.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for your time. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam - -- GnomeFreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito https://launchpad.net/people/gnomefreak http://freewebs.com/ubuntufreak Linux User# 414246 Ubuntu User# 8175 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpoP3qig4QTwcPCoRAnc/AJ41WrX5UG7BkZBEzVAlwFsrU9g0BACcCofp uYQk4yJi1BdQTfjykKPilLM= =7teC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 11 19:28:53 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:28:53 -0400 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine References: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> <45A60D35.6020605@gmail.com> <200701110927.10512.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: Freddy Martinez wrote: > there should be a space. dpkg -l | grep ssh All sorts of problems here. 1) Please don't top post, 2) Why quote at all if you aren't going to quote the part _relevant_ to what you're saying? and 3) What???? "dpkg -l |grep ssh" gives exactly the same result as "dpkg -l | grep ssh" -- derek From gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jan 11 20:37:19 2007 From: gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:37:19 +0000 Subject: K9copy Problems Message-ID: <20070111203719.33d80de4@rocker-desktop> I sent the message below to the Kde list without any replies, so I wonder if any Kubuntu users have experienced similar? I want to copy some of my DVDs as backup. I started to use K9copy because it is stated on the website that the video strem is compresed to make it fit on a 4.5Gb recordable DVD. If the original file(s) are less than 4.5Gb, copying with K9copy goes well, but I could just as easily use K3b to copy the DVD. However, when the original files are (say) 8GB, K9copy refuses to copy them and halts with an error report. Changing the size of the DVD settings to 8000mb in Settings->DVD doesn't work. Has anybody got any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? 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Changing the size of the DVD settings to 8000mb in Settings->DVD doesn't work. Has anybody got any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? Using Kubuntu Edgy here BTW -- Graham From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 21:08:43 2007 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:08:43 -0700 Subject: Firefox bug Message-ID: My system (6.10) has sporadically (~1x/wk) been going into a thrashing mode from which it was impossible to recover. Today, for the first time, I caught it just as it started thrashing so I was able to kill running programs sequentially. The thrashing stopped when I killed Firefox -- and I got a message indicating that the program was not responding. I had Firefox running for several days before this happened. I suspect a memory leak. Has anyone else seen this behavior? (Firefox v2.0) -- Jeffrey Barish From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 21:24:29 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:24:29 -0600 Subject: Firefox bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs That may help. If that doesn't, file a bug against Launchpad.net so we can help you further. On 1/11/07, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > > My system (6.10) has sporadically (~1x/wk) been going into a thrashing > mode > from which it was impossible to recover. Today, for the first time, I > caught it just as it started thrashing so I was able to kill running > programs sequentially. The thrashing stopped when I killed Firefox -- and > I got a message indicating that the program was not responding. I had > Firefox running for several days before this happened. I suspect a memory > leak. Has anyone else seen this behavior? (Firefox v2.0) > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 21:35:06 2007 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:35:06 -0700 Subject: Firefox bug References: Message-ID: Freddy Martinez wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs > That may help. If that doesn't, file a bug against Launchpad.net so we can > help you further. Following the directions on the page you directed me to, I ran firefox -ProfileManager, but I just get a normal firefox window. -- Jeffrey Barish From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 11 21:51:48 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:51:48 -0500 Subject: Annoying reappearance of bookmarks toolbar in Konqueror In-Reply-To: References: <200701111231.36912.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200701111651.48722.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 11 January 2007 9:40 am, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > search for that thread to see whether your situation is the same. I > believe that there is a bug in the way Konqueror stores its configuration > when KDE shuts down. I doubt it, unless Konqueror is crashing during shutdown. That is very possible, and happens to me sometimes. If a KDE application crashes, whatever configuration changes you made, recent files viewed, window positions, etc., do not get written out to the application's *rc file. If it closes normally, this should not and is not likely to happen, although it is possible to make coding errors that cause KConfig settings amnesia. In an application as widely used as Konqueror, I'd be very surprised if that turned out to be the case here. -- D. Michael McIntyre From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jan 11 22:40:40 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:40:40 -0500 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine In-Reply-To: References: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> Message-ID: <200701111740.41819.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 11 January 2007 14:28, Derek Broughton wrote: >  "dpkg -l |grep ssh" gives exactly the same result as > "dpkg -l | grep ssh" So it does. I didn't know that. I still have a bad dos habit of typing 'cd/home/arthur' instead of 'cd /home/arthur'. That doesn't work and I always assumed that you need to surround the 'pipe' (|) with spaces, too. How about the redirects (< & >)? Can I get away with no spaces there? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 11 22:57:56 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:57:56 -0500 Subject: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <200701111740.41819.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45A5FDB5.1090901@tudza.com> <200701111740.41819.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701111757.56253.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 11 January 2007 5:40 pm, Art Alexion wrote: > I still have a bad dos habit of typing 'cd/home/arthur' instead > of 'cd /home/arthur'. That doesn't work and I always assumed that you > need to surround the 'pipe' (|) with spaces, too. How about the redirects > (< & > > >)? Can I get away with no spaces there? Yes. $echo foo|grep foo>/tmp/bar $cat /tmp/bar foo You do have to have a space before putting a 2>&1 at the end. -- D. Michael McIntyre From cheefoo2k at yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 00:04:55 2007 From: cheefoo2k at yahoo.com (cheefoo) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:04:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libaio|libaio 1 Message-ID: <20070112000455.34536.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been trying to install the oracle database express on ubuntu and i kept getting the Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libaio|libaio 1. I tried installing from the terminal as well and it was the same error. please help, tell me what to do. TEMITAYO More Powerful is he who has himself in his power; ----- Original Message ---- From: "kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com" To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:58:02 PM Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 24, Issue 41 Send kubuntu-users mailing list submissions to kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kubuntu-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Mozilla Team (John Vivirito) 2. Re: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine (Derek Broughton) 3. K9copy Problems (Graham) 4. K9copy Problems (Graham) 5. Firefox bug (Jeffrey Barish) 6. Re: Firefox bug (Freddy Martinez) 7. Re: Firefox bug (Jeffrey Barish) 8. Re: Annoying reappearance of bookmarks toolbar in Konqueror (D. Michael McIntyre) 9. Re: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine (Art Alexion) 10. Re: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine (D. Michael McIntyre) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:37:44 -0500 From: John Vivirito Subject: Mozilla Team To: ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-motu at lists.ubuntu.com, kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Cc: Freddy Martinez Message-ID: <45A683F8.5070007 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is an anouncment of a new Ubuntu team that is rising. We are the Ubuntu-mozillateam. We are here to triage mozilla bugs, and just all around lighten the load of mozilla related bugs being reported. If you would like to learn more i will list some links for you to look at and see if this is a team you would like to join. We are in #ubuntu-mozillateam on irc.freenode.net to answer any questions you might have about the team or the bugs we work with. If you feel this team is for you please feel free to join us on https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam. Thank you for your time. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam - -- GnomeFreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito https://launchpad.net/people/gnomefreak http://freewebs.com/ubuntufreak Linux User# 414246 Ubuntu User# 8175 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpoP3qig4QTwcPCoRAnc/AJ41WrX5UG7BkZBEzVAlwFsrU9g0BACcCofp uYQk4yJi1BdQTfjykKPilLM= =7teC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:28:53 -0400 From: Derek Broughton Subject: Re: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Freddy Martinez wrote: > there should be a space. dpkg -l | grep ssh All sorts of problems here. 1) Please don't top post, 2) Why quote at all if you aren't going to quote the part _relevant_ to what you're saying? and 3) What???? "dpkg -l |grep ssh" gives exactly the same result as "dpkg -l | grep ssh" -- derek ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:37:19 +0000 From: Graham Subject: K9copy Problems To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20070111203719.33d80de4 at rocker-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I sent the message below to the Kde list without any replies, so I wonder if any Kubuntu users have experienced similar? I want to copy some of my DVDs as backup. I started to use K9copy because it is stated on the website that the video strem is compresed to make it fit on a 4.5Gb recordable DVD. If the original file(s) are less than 4.5Gb, copying with K9copy goes well, but I could just as easily use K3b to copy the DVD. However, when the original files are (say) 8GB, K9copy refuses to copy them and halts with an error report. Changing the size of the DVD settings to 8000mb in Settings->DVD doesn't work. Has anybody got any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? Using Kubuntu Edgy here BTW -- Graham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 243 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20070111/ad40b46c/attachment-0001.pgp ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:41:02 +0000 From: Graham Subject: K9copy Problems To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20070111204102.2f022c1d at rocker-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I sent the message below to the Kde list without any replies, so I wonder if any Kubuntu users have experienced similar? I want to copy some of my DVDs as backup. I started to use K9copy because it is stated on the website that the video strem is compresed to make it fit on a 4.5Gb recordable DVD. If the original file(s) are less than 4.5Gb, copying with K9copy goes well, but I could just as easily use K3b to copy the DVD. However, when the original files are (say) 8GB, K9copy refuses to copy them and halts with an error report. Changing the size of the DVD settings to 8000mb in Settings->DVD doesn't work. Has anybody got any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? Using Kubuntu Edgy here BTW -- Graham ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:08:43 -0700 From: Jeffrey Barish Subject: Firefox bug To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My system (6.10) has sporadically (~1x/wk) been going into a thrashing mode from which it was impossible to recover. Today, for the first time, I caught it just as it started thrashing so I was able to kill running programs sequentially. The thrashing stopped when I killed Firefox -- and I got a message indicating that the program was not responding. I had Firefox running for several days before this happened. I suspect a memory leak. Has anyone else seen this behavior? (Firefox v2.0) -- Jeffrey Barish ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:24:29 -0600 From: "Freddy Martinez" Subject: Re: Firefox bug To: jeff_barish at earthlink.net, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs That may help. If that doesn't, file a bug against Launchpad.net so we can help you further. On 1/11/07, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > > My system (6.10) has sporadically (~1x/wk) been going into a thrashing > mode > from which it was impossible to recover. Today, for the first time, I > caught it just as it started thrashing so I was able to kill running > programs sequentially. The thrashing stopped when I killed Firefox -- and > I got a message indicating that the program was not responding. I had > Firefox running for several days before this happened. I suspect a memory > leak. Has anyone else seen this behavior? (Firefox v2.0) > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20070111/e5006e08/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:35:06 -0700 From: Jeffrey Barish Subject: Re: Firefox bug To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Freddy Martinez wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs > That may help. If that doesn't, file a bug against Launchpad.net so we can > help you further. Following the directions on the page you directed me to, I ran firefox -ProfileManager, but I just get a normal firefox window. -- Jeffrey Barish ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:51:48 -0500 From: "D. Michael McIntyre" Subject: Re: Annoying reappearance of bookmarks toolbar in Konqueror To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Message-ID: <200701111651.48722.michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Thursday 11 January 2007 9:40 am, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > search for that thread to see whether your situation is the same. I > believe that there is a bug in the way Konqueror stores its configuration > when KDE shuts down. I doubt it, unless Konqueror is crashing during shutdown. That is very possible, and happens to me sometimes. If a KDE application crashes, whatever configuration changes you made, recent files viewed, window positions, etc., do not get written out to the application's *rc file. If it closes normally, this should not and is not likely to happen, although it is possible to make coding errors that cause KConfig settings amnesia. In an application as widely used as Konqueror, I'd be very surprised if that turned out to be the case here. -- D. Michael McIntyre ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:40:40 -0500 From: Art Alexion Subject: Re: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <200701111740.41819.art.alexion at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Thursday 11 January 2007 14:28, Derek Broughton wrote: > ?"dpkg -l |grep ssh" gives exactly the same result as > "dpkg -l | grep ssh" So it does. I didn't know that. I still have a bad dos habit of typing 'cd/home/arthur' instead of 'cd /home/arthur'. That doesn't work and I always assumed that you need to surround the 'pipe' (|) with spaces, too. How about the redirects (< & >)? Can I get away with no spaces there? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20070111/8e2d383c/attachment-0001.pgp ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:57:56 -0500 From: "D. Michael McIntyre" Subject: Re: Can not connect to Kubuntu machine To: art.alexion at verizon.net, Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Message-ID: <200701111757.56253.michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" On Thursday 11 January 2007 5:40 pm, Art Alexion wrote: > I still have a bad dos habit of typing 'cd/home/arthur' instead > of 'cd /home/arthur'. That doesn't work and I always assumed that you > need to surround the 'pipe' (|) with spaces, too. How about the redirects > (< & > > >)? Can I get away with no spaces there? Yes. $echo foo|grep foo>/tmp/bar $cat /tmp/bar foo You do have to have a space before putting a 2>&1 at the end. -- D. Michael McIntyre ------------------------------ -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users End of kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 24, Issue 41 ********************************************* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Jan 12 00:20:37 2007 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:20:37 -0500 Subject: power manager problem Message-ID: <200701111920.37946.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Can anyone explain why the default power manager on edgy/kde doesn't appear in the system tray when my laptop boots on battery power but does when it's on AC? How to fix? TIA Paul From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 12 00:35:05 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:35:05 -0400 Subject: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libaio|libaio 1 References: <20070112000455.34536.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: cheefoo wrote: > I have been trying to install the oracle database express on ubuntu and i > kept getting the Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libaio|libaio 1. I > tried installing from the terminal as well and it was the same error. > please help, tell me what to do. Why on earth would you reply to A DIGEST - quoting the whole thing - to ask a new question?????? You don't deserve a response but you need to add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and use apt not dpkg. I'm fairly certain Oracle tells you that. deb http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ unstable main non-free Please try to behave in future... -- derek From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 02:28:58 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:28:58 -0600 Subject: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libaio|libaio 1 In-Reply-To: References: <20070112000455.34536.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Perhaps you can review the Cod, especially the part that reads "We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack" -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 08:20:00 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:20:00 +0200 Subject: Getdeb.net Message-ID: <45A744B0.8030606@gmail.com> Just found this on the internet, thought it might interest the community; http://www.getdeb.net/ Sinclair From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 12 10:40:52 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:40:52 -0500 Subject: Quicktime *.mov video from internet In-Reply-To: <45A530BC.2010303@sklinks.com> References: <200701091953.02488.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <200701100541.34970.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> <45A530BC.2010303@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200701120540.52383.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> OK I had some more time to work on this. I downloaded all of the packages suggested in this post and in earlier posts on the same topic. I also downloaded MPlayer/KMPlayer/Mozilla-MPlayer. What was posted here has allowed me to baseline my installation with what others have installed and has worked. The quicktime movies buffer to about about 15-20 percent, then stall, then abort. Same results regardless of which package I choose to use. Konqueror crashes, Firefox shows Quicktime 7 recognized in its plugins but does nothing more than the others. I am thinking that the issue is some sort of configuration that has to do with how streams are downloaded, buffered, recognized, and played. Anymore help on the topic would be appreciated. I will go back to digging on the forums this weekend. Larry On Wednesday 10 January 2007 13:30, Vayu wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > > If you dont mind please provide the how-to for plugin placement. The > > link you provided loaded, but aborted play. Just another think to learn > > and overcome. > > > > Thank you > > > > Larry > > I followed ubuntuguide.org to install Multimedia codecs. > > sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base \ gstreamer0.10-plugins-good > gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse \ > gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse w32codecs > > I installed mozilla-mplayer > > sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer > > > So I believe I have everything in these two directories: > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins > > You can type about:plugins in firefox to see what it thinks is > installed. Mine shows quicktime 6, via mplayer 3.25. > > You also can go to Konqueror/settings/configure konqueror/plugins > You can see what plugins it has, you can also scan for plugins > > > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.xpt > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nphelix.xpt > > > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.xpt > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-gmp.so > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-rm.so > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-qt.so > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libunixprintplugin.so From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Fri Jan 12 11:01:36 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:01:36 +0100 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: References: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:42:51 -0600 Lokeey wrote: > > To me it is spam but if you have evidence that it is theft report that to > > the > > publisher. One thing the "linux" community doesn't need is to be in any > > way > > associated with theft. If it is found by the mainstream media it will be > > reported as linux stealing books. > > If you search a bit you'll find it falls under Russian legislation. Under that it is allowed to offer copyrighted material for reading in public places like libraries. That's the trick. You're allowed to read and they're allowed to offer. You're stealing if you take (or download) a copy home. -- Good luck, HarM. From lokeey at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 12:27:00 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:27:00 -0600 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: ah, so that's what that is...thought it was too good to be true...disregard my previous post then. On 1/12/07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:42:51 -0600 > Lokeey wrote: > > > > To me it is spam but if you have evidence that it is theft report that > to > > > the > > > publisher. One thing the "linux" community doesn't need is to be in > any > > > way > > > associated with theft. If it is found by the mainstream media it will > be > > > reported as linux stealing books. > > > > > If you search a bit you'll find it falls under Russian legislation. Under > that it is allowed to offer copyrighted material for reading in public > places like libraries. That's the trick. > > You're allowed to read and they're allowed to offer. You're stealing if > you take (or download) a copy home. > -- > > Good luck, > HarM. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gert.gast at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 12:42:41 2007 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:42:41 +1100 Subject: Getdeb.net In-Reply-To: <45A744B0.8030606@gmail.com> References: <45A744B0.8030606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79cc94fa0701120442s11a3596fv3e999e1813221e0e@mail.gmail.com> Click and run software? Whatś the best way to install these packages on kubuntu ? Cheers, Gert On 1/12/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Just found this on the internet, thought it might interest the community; > http://www.getdeb.net/ > > Sinclair > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- _____________________'Making Internet Work for You'____________________ Dr Gert Gast -- CommunicationsDesign -- +61+2 66848 015, mobile 041 8260 834 48 Parkway Drive,Ewingsdale NSW 2481, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Fri Jan 12 12:43:35 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:43:35 +0100 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: References: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <20070112134335.7e361365.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:27:00 -0600 Lokeey wrote: > > ah, so that's what that is...thought it was too good to be true...disregard > my previous post then. Well the moment you agree on "storing" the book for them and keeping it public (ergo you become part of the "library") you're in compliance. I haven't looked very deeply but I suspect they'll be using a p2p style of file sharing. Actually, I think it's a nice way to browse through books as you would in a store and then decide to buy it or not. Dead tree books are much nicer and easier on the eyes than the on-screen stuff. -- Good luck, HarM. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 12:51:49 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:51:49 +0200 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <20070112134335.7e361365.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070112134335.7e361365.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Actually, I think it's a nice way to browse through books as you would in a I think I missed the URL ... /d From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Fri Jan 12 12:59:55 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:59:55 +0100 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20070112134335.7e361365.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070112135955.e3fa1251.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:51:49 +0200 Donn wrote: > > Actually, I think it's a nice way to browse through books as you would in a > I think I missed the URL ... > http://www.pdfchm.com/ and BTW "kchmviewer" does a nice job next to "xchm" on a kubunti box. ;-) -- Good luck, HarM. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Jan 12 13:29:26 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:29:26 -0700 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20070112134335.7e361365.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701120629.27034.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 12 January 2007 05:51, Donn wrote: > > Actually, I think it's a nice way to browse through books as you would in > > a > > I think I missed the URL ... if you like Science fiction try this [no catches] http://www.baen.com/library/ > > > /d From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jan 12 13:46:35 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:46:35 -0500 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] Message-ID: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> I downloaded 2.1 from the OOo website and converted the RPMs to DEBs. It installs in /opt and seems to run fine. I have no use for the OOo 2.0 the comes with Kubuntu Dapper. Can I safely remove or will it break something else? How do I tell apt-get to remove 2.0 and not 2.1? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:52:02 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:52:02 +0200 Subject: Getdeb.net In-Reply-To: <79cc94fa0701120442s11a3596fv3e999e1813221e0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A744B0.8030606@gmail.com> <79cc94fa0701120442s11a3596fv3e999e1813221e0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A79282.2090300@gmail.com> Gert Gast wrote: > Click and run software? > > Whatś the best way to install these packages on kubuntu ? > > Cheers, Gert > > On 1/12/07, *O. Sinclair* < o.sinclair at gmail.com > > wrote: > > Just found this on the internet, thought it might interest the > community; > http://www.getdeb.net/ > donwnload the file (a deb-package) and at least in KDE right-click on it and choose "Install package" Sinclair From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Fri Jan 12 14:26:01 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:26:01 +0100 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701120629.27034.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <20070112134335.7e361365.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701120629.27034.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20070112152601.6f538620.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:29:26 -0700 Grumpy_Penguin wrote: > http://www.baen.com/library/ Thank you for that link. I can only heartily agree to their way of thinking. -- Good luck, HarM. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:04:16 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:04:16 +0200 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <20070112135955.e3fa1251.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070112135955.e3fa1251.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <200701121704.19956.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > http://www.pdfchm.com/ Okay - I went there but I can' see any way to browse the book online, there's a 'buy' button and a thumbnail of the cover ( I searched for 'Linux' and clicked a result). I'm using Konqy, maybe I should try Firefox? > and BTW "kchmviewer" does a nice job next to "xchm" on a kubunti box. ;-) Thx - I prefer KDE apps to GTK ones and I didn't know about this one! /d From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Fri Jan 12 15:34:40 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:34:40 +0100 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <200701121704.19956.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701121451.52699.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070112135955.e3fa1251.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701121704.19956.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070112163440.8c47406b.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:04:16 +0200 Donn wrote: > > > http://www.pdfchm.com/ > Okay - I went there but I can' see any way to browse the book online, there's > a 'buy' button and a thumbnail of the cover ( I searched for 'Linux' and > clicked a result). I'm using Konqy, maybe I should try Firefox? You obviously need to register and accept their policies before you can browse/read or download. I think it's beyond the scope of this list to explain how to find your way around that site. Keep looking using common sense (or FAQ's) and you'll get there. :-) -- Good luck, HarM. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:41:08 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:41:08 +0200 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <20070112163440.8c47406b.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <200701121704.19956.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070112163440.8c47406b.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <200701121741.12049.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > You obviously need to register and accept their policies before you can > browse/read or download. Duh! My thick is strong today. 'Nuff said :D /d From jeff_barish at earthlink.net Fri Jan 12 15:45:50 2007 From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:45:50 -0700 Subject: Firefox bug References: Message-ID: Freddy Martinez wrote: > you need to cd to ~/.mozilla/firefox iirc. Doesn't make any difference. I tried adding -jsconsole to get the error console. Among the dozens of "Declaration dropped" messages is the warning "unrecognized command line flag -ProfileManager". -- Jeffrey Barish From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:01:07 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:01:07 +0200 Subject: USB devices - howdoi? Message-ID: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, This is the opposite of a howto - it's a howdi :) It's all about USB stuff. 1. This might sound extremely daft, but how would I go about making a sound play when I plug in a USB device and another when I unplug it? 2. How do I get particular USB hard drives to *always* use the same mount point? When I plug in my Maxtor (for example) I always want it to be in /media/maxtor. At the moment it's kinda done by 'magic'. I see /media/sda1, /media/sdb1, /media/sdc1 and the mount point seems to cycle upwards everytime I connect a new device. 3. Have you noticed? This happens quite often, I'll describe the steps: a. plugin USB hdd. An icon appears on desktop name "120G Media" b. I right-click it and choose "Mount" c. It mounts fine. d. I work with it. Later I unmount it. e. I unplug and plug it in again - maybe I took drive away for a time. f. The icon appears g. I right click on it but there is no "Mount" option. It's just not there. h. I must open a console and sudo mount it. Sometimes what happens at point d and e is that something I do crashes the usb system and I am forced to umount as root from the console. Then when I try to remount from the icon, it's the same as g. That's the lot. /d -- "You know, I've gone to a lot of psychics, and they've told me a lot of different things, but not one of them has ever told me 'You are an undercover policewoman here to arrest me.'" -- New York City undercover policewoman From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Jan 12 16:04:24 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701121104.24612.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 12 January 2007 8:46 am, Art Alexion wrote: > I downloaded 2.1 from the OOo website and converted the RPMs to DEBs. It > installs in /opt and seems to run fine. I have no use for the OOo 2.0 the > comes with Kubuntu Dapper. Can I safely remove or will it break something > else? How do I tell apt-get to remove 2.0 and not 2.1? Your package manager doesn't know anything about /opt, so if you uninstall the distro package, that should be that. -- D. Michael McIntyre From gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 12 16:37:14 2007 From: gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:37:14 +0000 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <200701060829.04748.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200701070858.37295.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <20070112163714.671a9848@rocker-desktop> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:01:36 +0100 "H.J.Bathoorn" wrote: > If you search a bit you'll find it falls under Russian legislation. > Under that it is allowed to offer copyrighted material for reading in > public places like libraries. That's the trick. [snipped] I didn't catch the start of this thread as I'm new on the list, so the following information might be off-topic. I use Project Gutenberg very often to get copies of books (even audio copes of books) which I can read in my browser or PDA. There's a nice picture on the webpage of an ebook on a Palm handset. Occasionally, I download the text and print it off to use in my university course; the University of Kent here in the UK RECOMMENDS that students use PG as a source for texts. PG has as many copies as is possible at any one time of books that are in the public domain in the USA, and this means books created by a public body for the purposes of education, as well as books whose copyright has expired. PG also has a number of copyrighted works whose authors have agreed to be distributed under the terms that PG lays down. The license is very much like the GPL in that it stipulates that the content of ebooks may not change from the version in PG, and that ebooks may be distributed freely and without cost. Their link is http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page Nevertheless, just because the text of an ebook is in the public domain in the USA, or because Russian legislation allows it to be read, doesn't mean that ebooks may be downloaded to computers, or even printed, in your country. As a principle, most countries do follow the definition of 'in the public domain' set out by the Library of Congress and the British Library and enshrined in law by the United States. However, legal systems vary and it is always worth checking. If you download a book from PG to print off as a saleable book, you are obliged under the terms of their license to pay a small fee to PG. I don't know how this works in practice, but since PG still have their digital copy online, I don't see how you could be stealing the text of the ebook if no fee is paid. PG could institute a case for breaking the terms of their contract (which is a civil matter) but not for stealing the text (which is a criminal matter). The intellectual property rights for the most part exist with the original author, and in the case of books out of copyright, such rights that are left do not include the right to block the texts being distributed. So again I do not see how it could be considered stealing from the author. I agree that the Linux community doesn't want to be "infected" by some practices in the market place, but the Linux community was created out of a desire to distribute programs freely and accessibly so we must have a similar mechanism for texts that does not infringing the rights (including copyright) of the writers. The Project Gutenberg model seems to me to be a pretty good one for ebooks. -- Graham From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:47:19 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:47:19 +0200 Subject: Free eBooks In-Reply-To: <20070112163714.671a9848@rocker-desktop> References: <20070112120136.b23c15cc.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070112163714.671a9848@rocker-desktop> Message-ID: <200701121847.22680.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I won't join that Russian site, my spidey sense is tingling. Thanks for the info on PG, I have taken advantage of it once or twice and I agree that we should stay on the up and up. /d From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 12 15:08:49 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:08:49 -0400 Subject: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libaio|libaio 1 References: <20070112000455.34536.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1tkk74-0t7.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Freddy Martinez wrote: > Perhaps you can review the Cod, especially the part that reads "We might > all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that > frustration to turn into a personal attack" Perhaps you might learn to quote _properly_. There was no personal attack, there was a tortured plea that you not behave so badly in future - and then I gave you exactly the answer you needed! -- derek From barry_haddow at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 20:16:52 2007 From: barry_haddow at yahoo.com (Barry Haddow) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:16:52 +0000 Subject: "Unknown host" in konqueror Message-ID: <200701032016.53029.barry_haddow@yahoo.com> Hi Konqueror constantly gives me "unknown host" when I try to use it to browse the internet, yet Firefox (and all other internet applications) work fine. Does anyone know why this happens? I've seen various reports of this problem in different forums but couldn't find a definitive explanation. Konqueror is unusable as a web browser on my system. I'm using Konqueror 3.5.2, and I connect to the internet via a router, but dns is configured to point to my isp's dns servers, rather than the router. cheers Barry From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 17:20:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:20:41 +0200 Subject: "Unknown host" in konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701032016.53029.barry_haddow@yahoo.com> References: <200701032016.53029.barry_haddow@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701121920.44418.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Konqueror constantly gives me "unknown host" when I try to use it to browse Hi - All I can think of is maybe your proxy is set funny. Settings -> Configure Konq -> Proxy HTH /d From lure at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 12 17:47:34 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:47:34 +0100 Subject: power manager problem In-Reply-To: <200701111920.37946.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200701111920.37946.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200701121847.34930.lure@ubuntu.com> On Friday 12. January 2007 01:20, Paul Kaplan wrote: > Can anyone explain why the default power manager on edgy/kde doesn't appear > in the system tray when my laptop boots on battery power but does when it's > on AC? How to fix? I would suggest that you open a bug to kde-guidance package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+filebug You should attach the following information: - output of "dmidecode" command - output of "lshal" command when on battery power - output of "lshal" command when on main power - output of "guidance-power-manager" command when on battery power Thanks, Luka From obsidion at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 12 18:08:54 2007 From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:08:54 +1300 Subject: Getdeb.net In-Reply-To: <45A79282.2090300@gmail.com> References: <45A744B0.8030606@gmail.com> <79cc94fa0701120442s11a3596fv3e999e1813221e0e@mail.gmail.com> <45A79282.2090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701130708.54789.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> On Saturday 13 January 2007 02:52, O. Sinclair wrote: > Gert Gast wrote: > > Click and run software? > > > > Whatś the best way to install these packages on kubuntu ? > > > > Cheers, Gert > > > > On 1/12/07, *O. Sinclair* < o.sinclair at gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > Just found this on the internet, thought it might interest the > > community; > > http://www.getdeb.net/ > > donwnload the file (a deb-package) and at least in KDE right-click on it > and choose "Install package" > Or if you want to get adventurous, open a terminal and sudo dpkg -i thepackage name. -- BOFH excuse #8: static buildup From jeremy at jdli.net Fri Jan 12 18:22:58 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (Jeremy Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:22:58 -0500 Subject: K9copy Problems In-Reply-To: <20070111204102.2f022c1d@rocker-desktop> References: <20070111204102.2f022c1d@rocker-desktop> Message-ID: <200701121322.58512.jeremy@jdli.net> On Thursday 11 January 2007 15:41, Graham wrote: > I sent the message below to the Kde list without any replies, so I > wonder if any Kubuntu users have experienced similar? > > I want to copy some of my DVDs as backup. I started to use K9copy > because it is stated on the website that the video strem is compresed > to make it fit on a 4.5Gb recordable DVD. > > If the original file(s) are less than 4.5Gb, copying with K9copy goes > well, but I could just as easily use K3b to copy the DVD. However, > when the original files are (say) 8GB, K9copy refuses to copy them and > halts with an error report. > > Changing the size of the DVD settings to 8000mb in Settings->DVD > doesn't work. > > Has anybody got any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? > > Using Kubuntu Edgy here BTW > > -- > > Graham Are you trying to copy straight to a dvd or to your hard drive first? I have found it more successful to go to the hard drive first and then k3b it to the dvd. Could you tell us the error please? Jeremy From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 19:04:25 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:04:25 +0200 Subject: USB devices - howdoi? In-Reply-To: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701122104.28164.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > This is the opposite of a howto - it's a howdi :) Perhaps I should have said: Kubuntu Dapper and please help! :D /d From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jan 12 19:39:41 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:39:41 -0500 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701121104.24612.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121104.24612.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 12 January 2007 11:04, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 8:46 am, Art Alexion wrote: > > I downloaded 2.1 from the OOo website and converted the RPMs to DEBs. It > > installs in /opt and seems to run fine. I have no use for the OOo 2.0 > > the comes with Kubuntu Dapper. Can I safely remove or will it break > > something else? How do I tell apt-get to remove 2.0 and not 2.1? > > Your package manager doesn't know anything about /opt, so if you uninstall > the distro package, that should be that. I gave it a shot and aborted. In addition to openoffice-* The following packages will be REMOVED: aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common gnome-spell kubuntu-desktop mozilla-thunderbird myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us What are the chances that I can reinistall these packages without reinstalling OOo 2.0.2? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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I've seen various reports of this > problem in different forums but couldn't find a definitive explanation. > Konqueror is unusable as a web browser on my system. > > I'm using Konqueror 3.5.2, and I connect to the internet via a router, but > dns is configured to point to my isp's dns servers, rather than the router. I have a possibly related problem that leads me to to think that konqueror is accessing DNS differently than Firefox. That is, konqueror is much slower at loading pages and during the delay, it claims to be looking up host. I asked this question a while ago, and nobody would say that there is different DNS approach to konqueror, but I think there is. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Fri Jan 12 20:01:13 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:01:13 +0100 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121104.24612.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20070112210113.2f3a2cf3.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:39:41 -0500 Art Alexion wrote: > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common gnome-spell kubuntu-desktop > mozilla-thunderbird myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us > > What are the chances that I can reinistall these packages without reinstalling > OOo 2.0.2? I'd say pretty good as they are'nt specifically Ooo related. Strange that apt wants to uninstall those, tho. -- Good luck, HarM. From kfulks at knology.net Fri Jan 12 20:32:27 2007 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:32:27 -0600 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121104.24612.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45A7F05B.7080200@knology.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 11:04, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> On Friday 12 January 2007 8:46 am, Art Alexion wrote: >>> I downloaded 2.1 from the OOo website and converted the RPMs to DEBs. It >>> installs in /opt and seems to run fine. I have no use for the OOo 2.0 >>> the comes with Kubuntu Dapper. Can I safely remove or will it break >>> something else? How do I tell apt-get to remove 2.0 and not 2.1? >> Your package manager doesn't know anything about /opt, so if you uninstall >> the distro package, that should be that. > > I gave it a shot and aborted. In addition to openoffice-* > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common gnome-spell kubuntu-desktop > mozilla-thunderbird myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us > > What are the chances that I can reinistall these packages without reinstalling > OOo 2.0.2? > kubuntu-desktop is simply a meta-package that has dependencies on a number of packages to force their installation. You probably can't install it without getting OOo 2.0.2, but I would guess that the others would go back with little difficulty. Since I am at work (forced into the windows desktop world here for now), I can't look at the dependencies of the other packages. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 20:38:22 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:38:22 -0600 Subject: Firefox bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make sure to kill the running processes of Firefox. Next, change directory to the directory firefox is installed and use the "./firefox -profilemanager" command. That should work. Hmm. On 1/12/07, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > > Freddy Martinez wrote: > > > you need to cd to ~/.mozilla/firefox iirc. > > Doesn't make any difference. > > I tried adding -jsconsole to get the error console. Among the dozens > of "Declaration dropped" messages is the warning "unrecognized command > line > flag -ProfileManager". > -- > Jeffrey Barish > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. 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In-Reply-To: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701121608.26064.jeremy@jdli.net> On Friday 12 January 2007 11:01, Donn wrote: > Hi, > This is the opposite of a howto - it's a howdi :) > It's all about USB stuff. > > 1. > This might sound extremely daft, but how would I go about making a sound > play when I plug in a USB device and another when I unplug it? > > 2. > How do I get particular USB hard drives to *always* use the same mount > point? When I plug in my Maxtor (for example) I always want it to be > in /media/maxtor. > At the moment it's kinda done by 'magic'. I > see /media/sda1, /media/sdb1, /media/sdc1 and the mount point seems to > cycle upwards everytime I connect a new device. > > 3. > Have you noticed? > This happens quite often, I'll describe the steps: > a. plugin USB hdd. An icon appears on desktop name "120G Media" > b. I right-click it and choose "Mount" > c. It mounts fine. > d. I work with it. Later I unmount it. > e. I unplug and plug it in again - maybe I took drive away for a time. > f. The icon appears > g. I right click on it but there is no "Mount" option. It's just not there. > h. I must open a console and sudo mount it. > Sometimes what happens at point d and e is that something I do crashes the > usb system and I am forced to umount as root from the console. Then when I > try to remount from the icon, it's the same as g. > > That's the lot. > /d > > -- > "You know, I've gone to a lot of psychics, and they've told me a lot of > different things, but not one of them has ever told me 'You are an > undercover policewoman here to arrest me.'" > -- New York City undercover policewoman for the mounting of the usb for now on you can follow these directions. Don't forget to add the line into /etc/fstab http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/15776-how-mount-usb-flash-drives-linux.html flash and usb hdd should be the same results. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Fri Jan 12 21:47:54 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:47:54 -0700 Subject: USB devices - howdoi? In-Reply-To: <200701121608.26064.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701121608.26064.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701121447.54702.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Friday 12 January 2007 14:08, Jeremy Anderson wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 11:01, Donn wrote: > > Hi, > > This is the opposite of a howto - it's a howdi :) > > It's all about USB stuff. > > > > 1. > > This might sound extremely daft, but how would I go about making a sound > > play when I plug in a USB device and another when I unplug it? > > > > 2. > > How do I get particular USB hard drives to *always* use the same mount > > point? When I plug in my Maxtor (for example) I always want it to be > > in /media/maxtor. > > At the moment it's kinda done by 'magic'. I > > see /media/sda1, /media/sdb1, /media/sdc1 and the mount point seems to > > cycle upwards everytime I connect a new device. > > > > 3. > > Have you noticed? > > This happens quite often, I'll describe the steps: > > a. plugin USB hdd. An icon appears on desktop name "120G Media" > > b. I right-click it and choose "Mount" > > c. It mounts fine. > > d. I work with it. Later I unmount it. > > e. I unplug and plug it in again - maybe I took drive away for a time. > > f. The icon appears > > g. I right click on it but there is no "Mount" option. It's just not > > there. h. I must open a console and sudo mount it. > > Sometimes what happens at point d and e is that something I do crashes > > the usb system and I am forced to umount as root from the console. Then > > when I try to remount from the icon, it's the same as g. > > > > That's the lot. > > /d > > > > -- > > "You know, I've gone to a lot of psychics, and they've told me a lot of > > different things, but not one of them has ever told me 'You are an > > undercover policewoman here to arrest me.'" > > -- New York City undercover policewoman > > for the mounting of the usb for now on you can follow these directions. > Don't forget to add the line into /etc/fstab > > http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/ >15776-how-mount-usb-flash-drives-linux.html > > flash and usb hdd should be the same results. that one definitely goes in my reference folder From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 13 00:13:34 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:13:34 -0500 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <45A7F05B.7080200@knology.net> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> <45A7F05B.7080200@knology.net> Message-ID: <200701121913.34494.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> I did this in Edgy.....after some thought I decided to deinstall the older version first...when done, then I converted the new versions RPMs to DEBs and installed it. Not had a bit of trouble...been over three weeks and I use OOO quite a bit. On Friday 12 January 2007 15:32, Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Friday 12 January 2007 11:04, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >> On Friday 12 January 2007 8:46 am, Art Alexion wrote: > >>> I downloaded 2.1 from the OOo website and converted the RPMs to DEBs. > >>> It installs in /opt and seems to run fine. I have no use for the OOo > >>> 2.0 the comes with Kubuntu Dapper. Can I safely remove or will it > >>> break something else? How do I tell apt-get to remove 2.0 and not 2.1? > >> > >> Your package manager doesn't know anything about /opt, so if you > >> uninstall the distro package, that should be that. > > > > I gave it a shot and aborted. In addition to openoffice-* > > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common gnome-spell kubuntu-desktop > > mozilla-thunderbird myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us > > > > What are the chances that I can reinistall these packages without > > reinstalling OOo 2.0.2? > > kubuntu-desktop is simply a meta-package that has dependencies on a > number of packages to force their installation. You probably can't > install it without getting OOo 2.0.2, but I would guess that the others > would go back with little difficulty. Since I am at work (forced into > the windows desktop world here for now), I can't look at the > dependencies of the other packages. > > -- > Kelly L. Fulks > Home Account > near Huntsville, AL From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 13 06:24:29 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:24:29 -0500 Subject: "Unknown host" in konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701121442.55185.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701032016.53029.barry_haddow@yahoo.com> <200701121442.55185.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701130124.29361.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 12 January 2007 2:42 pm, Art Alexion wrote: > > of this problem in different forums but couldn't find a definitive > > explanation. Konqueror is unusable as a web browser on my system. > I have a possibly related problem that leads me to to think that konqueror > is accessing DNS differently than Firefox. That is, konqueror is much Just a thought with no research. This sounds like one of those "go disable IPV6" things. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 07:56:24 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:56:24 +0200 Subject: USB devices - howdoi? In-Reply-To: <200701121608.26064.jeremy@jdli.net> References: <200701121801.08448.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701121608.26064.jeremy@jdli.net> Message-ID: <200701130956.25300.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > for the mounting of the usb for now on you can follow these directions. > Don't forget to add the line into /etc/fstab > > http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/ >15776-how-mount-usb-flash-drives-linux.html > flash and usb hdd should be the same results. Thx for the link. I'll hit it during the day. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 08:03:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:03:41 +0200 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121104.24612.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701131003.41599.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I gave it a shot and aborted. In addition to openoffice-* > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common gnome-spell kubuntu-desktop > mozilla-thunderbird myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us This part of Kubuntu bugs me too. It really leaves you in no doubt that *you* are not the master if your situation. I have learned to just shrug and ignore the software that I don't want but CANNOT remove. My example is Amarok. I was worried about removing "kubuntu-desktop" because I don't know what that would do. I also didn't know how that would affect an upgrade of Dapper at a later stage. So, I live with Amarok (never used) and I added xmms (always used) You *could* try aptitude: sudo aptitude remove XYZ Where XYZ = open office package name Oh yeah - one moe thing. Install Koffice. It's many times quicker than OOO and it seems (not confirmed) to save .doc files (at least). /d From lure at ubuntu.com Sat Jan 13 12:04:20 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:04:20 +0100 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701131003.41599.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701131003.41599.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701131304.20940.lure@ubuntu.com> On Saturday 13. January 2007 09:03, Donn wrote: > > I gave it a shot and aborted. In addition to openoffice-* > > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common gnome-spell kubuntu-desktop > > mozilla-thunderbird myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us > > This part of Kubuntu bugs me too. It really leaves you in no doubt that > *you* are not the master if your situation. I have learned to just shrug > and ignore the software that I don't want but CANNOT remove. > > My example is Amarok. I was worried about removing "kubuntu-desktop" > because I don't know what that would do. I also didn't know how that would > affect an upgrade of Dapper at a later stage. kubuntu-desktop is so-called "meta" package. It means it does not install any files, but has the only purpose to depend/recommend other packages. This way Kubuntu developers decide what you shall get installed in the default install (and on Desktop CD). It is completely safe to remove kubuntu-desktop, the only side effect is that when you will upgrade between versions (Edgy -> Feisty), you will not automatically get all default applications that may have been added for Feisty. So after upgrade to Feisty, you may want to consider installing "kubuntu-desktop" package again to see what new updated it may bring to you. In Feisty some packages that kubuntu-desktop brings by default have moved from Depends to Recommend state: they will still be installed by default, but the Recommended you will be able to uninstall without removal of kubuntu-desktop. Examples are knetworkmanager and kde-guidance-powermanager as some desktop users do not need networkmanager and laptop power management applet and may want to remove it. Question to Jonathan: should we make openoffice package Recommend - some users would probably replace it with Koffice and would remove OOo. Lp, Luka From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 12:25:17 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:25:17 +0200 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701131304.20940.lure@ubuntu.com> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701131003.41599.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701131304.20940.lure@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200701131425.17969.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Luka, thank you for the information. I posted a question like this on the Ubuntu forum and got no real information, only a bunch of others people wondering the same thing! I'll go find it again and update it. > It is completely safe to remove > kubuntu-desktop, the only side effect is that when you will upgrade between > versions (Edgy -> Feisty), you will not automatically get all default > applications that may have been added for Feisty. After having no luck going from Dapper to Edgy, I have decided to stay on Dapper for a few years. It works and I like it. (The problem was mainly that there are no proper instructions for Kubuntu upgrading as the ones on the Ubuntu site all refer to an "upgrade manager" which Kubu hasn't got.) In this case, I will remove Amarok and Kubuntu-Desktop and not worry about it. (Amarok is amazing, but my machine is just too slow for it to work properly, it skips and jerks and slows things down. I think it's all that ruby ... ) > So after upgrade to > Feisty, you may want to consider installing "kubuntu-desktop" package again > to see what new updated it may bring to you. I will do that when the time comes. One point -- Some of us (like me) live in backwards countries (like South Africa) where bandwidth is horrifyingly expensive and downloading MORE packages than we want is a problem. I don't know what the solution is, but a screen with tick-boxes where I could choose the packs I want from the Desktop meta package would be cool. > In Feisty some packages that kubuntu-desktop brings by default have moved > from Depends to Recommend state: they will still be installed by default, > but the Recommended you will be able to uninstall without removal of > kubuntu-desktop. Examples are knetworkmanager and kde-guidance-powermanager > as some desktop users do not need networkmanager and laptop power > management applet and may want to remove it. Also good to know. > Question to Jonathan: should we make openoffice package Recommend - some > users would probably replace it with Koffice and would remove OOo. My (uninvited) take : Keep OOO. It's becoming a standard. Koffice is really nice and quick, but I still used Writer to open the docs I saved in Kword to check that they worked! I think when Koffice hits Windows desktops, that's the time that OOO will have real competition! /d From lure at ubuntu.com Sat Jan 13 13:48:19 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:48:19 +0100 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701131425.17969.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701131304.20940.lure@ubuntu.com> <200701131425.17969.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701131448.19179.lure@ubuntu.com> On Saturday 13. January 2007 13:25, Donn wrote: > After having no luck going from Dapper to Edgy, I have decided to stay on > Dapper for a few years. It works and I like it. (The problem was mainly > that there are no proper instructions for Kubuntu upgrading as the ones on > the Ubuntu site all refer to an "upgrade manager" which Kubu hasn't got.) Another good news: Feisty should get similar update manager for KDE. More info: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-update-manager > I will do that when the time comes. > One point -- > Some of us (like me) live in backwards countries (like South Africa) where > bandwidth is horrifyingly expensive and downloading MORE packages than we > want is a problem. I don't know what the solution is, but a screen with > tick-boxes where I could choose the packs I want from the Desktop meta > package would be cool. This one is tricky: this is why Ubuntu distributes CDs and we want to really package best packages to the last byte on it. I am not sure if Desktop CD will get any kind of selection of SW in future. > My (uninvited) take : Keep OOO. It's becoming a standard. Koffice is really > nice and quick, but I still used Writer to open the docs I saved in Kword > to check that they worked! I think when Koffice hits Windows desktops, > that's the time that OOO will have real competition! OOo will stay default in Feisty (KOffice will be reconsidered with KDE4 release again): I have only suggested to consider making it recommended which would allow removing it without removal of kubuntu-desktop. Similar could be done for amarok, digikam and other "more heavy" apps that users might want to remove. Regards, Luka From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Jan 13 15:55:42 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:55:42 -0500 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701131003.41599.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701121439.42881.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701131003.41599.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701131055.42835.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Saturday 13 January 2007 03:03, Donn wrote: > You *could* try aptitude: > sudo aptitude remove XYZ > Where XYZ = open office package name I am told not to mix apt-get with aptitude. > > Oh yeah - one moe thing. Install Koffice. It's many times quicker than OOO > and it seems (not confirmed) to save .doc files (at least). Koffice is vastly improved and will someday be great. It is not yet ready for serious stuff, though. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Jan 13 18:00:46 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:00:46 +0200 Subject: "Unknown host" in konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701130124.29361.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701032016.53029.barry_haddow@yahoo.com> <200701121442.55185.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701130124.29361.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <45A91E4E.3010004@mail.ee> > Just a thought with no research. This sounds like one of those "go disable > IPV6" things. This can be done by: sudo echo 'KDE_NO_IPV6=1' >> /etc/environment ... at command line (e.g. Konsole if you use KDE). Perhaps you could also use "TRUE" instead of "1" You could also search: http://www.google.com/search?q=KDE_NO_IPV6 http://www.google.com/search?q=KDE_USE_IPV6 http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+speed+up+Konqueror From jim at jimbyers.com Sat Jan 13 20:14:55 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:14:55 -0600 Subject: Firefox and Thunderbird Message-ID: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to Thunderbird or Kmail the default email anytime an email link it clicked within Firefox. Next, how does one make Firefox the systems default web browser. Thanks, Jim From obsidion at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 13 20:41:27 2007 From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:41:27 +1300 Subject: Firefox and Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> References: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701140941.27766.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> On Sunday 14 January 2007 09:14, Jim Byers wrote: > Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to Thunderbird or Kmail the > default email anytime an email link it clicked within Firefox. Next, how > does one make Firefox the systems default web browser. > 1) open the following URL in Firefox: about:config 2) set the option "network.protocol-handler.external.mailto" to true 3) Set a new string to Create the option "network.protocol-handler.app.mailto" cut an paste that bit without the quotes of course. 4) Then in the next window set it to preferred mailer eg kmail To set as default system settings -- default applications -- web browser -- st to firefox. -- BOFH excuse #130: new management From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Sat Jan 13 20:55:27 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:55:27 -0500 Subject: Firefox and Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> References: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45A9473F.5060608@optonline.net> Jim Byers wrote: >Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to Thunderbird or Kmail the >default email anytime an email link it clicked within Firefox. > >Next, how >does one make Firefox the systems default web browser. > > This part´s easy: Go to ¨system settings¨, choose ¨KDE Components¨ choose default programs, choose web browser, select Firefox. I wish I could figure out how to make Firefox work with any mail program. I´ve never succeeded in doing so, and, as such, I choose to continue to use Mozilla. /tony > >Thanks, > >Jim > > > -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From jim at jimbyers.com Sat Jan 13 21:03:55 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:03:55 -0600 Subject: Firefox and Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <200701140941.27766.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> References: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> <200701140941.27766.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <200701131503.55575.jim@jimbyers.com> On Saturday 13 January 2007 14:41, Rebel Lion wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 09:14, Jim Byers wrote: > > Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to Thunderbird or Kmail the > > default email anytime an email link it clicked within Firefox. Next, how > > does one make Firefox the systems default web browser. > > 1) open the following URL in Firefox: > about:config > > 2) set the option "network.protocol-handler.external.mailto" to true > > 3) Set a new string to Create the option > "network.protocol-handler.app.mailto" cut an paste that bit without the > quotes of course. > > > 4) Then in the next window set it to preferred mailer eg kmail > > > To set as default system settings -- default applications -- web browser -- > st to firefox. > Jim Byers wrote: Great directions and it worked perfectly. Thanks much Rebel Lion. Jim From obsidion at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 13 21:43:58 2007 From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:43:58 +1300 Subject: Firefox and Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <200701131503.55575.jim@jimbyers.com> References: <200701131414.55472.jim@jimbyers.com> <200701140941.27766.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> <200701131503.55575.jim@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701141043.58843.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> On Sunday 14 January 2007 10:03, Jim Byers wrote: > On Saturday 13 January 2007 14:41, Rebel Lion wrote: > > Great directions and it worked perfectly. Thanks much Rebel Lion. > > Jim Anytime I have that saved to my gmail account and trot it out when needed :) -- BOFH excuse #157: Incorrect time synchronization From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 22:35:17 2007 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:35:17 -0500 Subject: Adept hangup Message-ID: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Adept noted about 44 updates to my system so I proceeded to start the process. Since this is a somewhat length process I left the computer to its devices and returned about 40 minutes later with the screen showing about 3% completion on installing one of the updates. The downloads had been completed. But, after several moments, the Adept still showed 3% completion and it became obvious that Adept was in hyperspace. I tried everything I could think of to get Adept to cleanly quit but to no avail. Even after rebooting I now get the message: "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one." whenever I try to execute Adept. A "ps -A" gives me no clue as to what might be running and suspect that some file or directory has been locked. HELP! How do I get this cleaned up. Many thanks. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From obsidion at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 13 22:56:47 2007 From: obsidion at ihug.co.nz (Rebel Lion) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:56:47 +1300 Subject: Adept hangup In-Reply-To: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141156.47444.obsidion@ihug.co.nz> On Sunday 14 January 2007 11:35, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > Adept noted about 44 updates to my system so I proceeded to start the > process. Since this is a somewhat length process I left the computer to its > devices and returned about 40 minutes later with the screen showing about > 3% completion on installing one of the updates. The downloads had been > completed. > > But, after several moments, the Adept still showed 3% completion and it > became obvious that Adept was in hyperspace. I tried everything I could > think of to get Adept to cleanly quit but to no avail. > > Even after rebooting I now get the message: > > "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, > remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging > system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or > aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one." > > whenever I try to execute Adept. A "ps -A" gives me no clue as to what > might be running and suspect that some file or directory has been locked. > > HELP! How do I get this cleaned up. > A couple of ideas may help sudo apt-get install -f from a terminal Failing that if you remember the hung package cd to /var/cache/apt/archives and sudo dpkg -i packagename You might need to add the dependencies to the line with a space between sudo dpkg -i packagename dependencyname anotherdname -- BOFH excuse #197: I'm sorry a pentium won't do, you need an SGI to connect with us. From rbmorse at comcast.net Sat Jan 13 23:03:21 2007 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:03:21 -0700 Subject: Adept hangup In-Reply-To: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701131603.21792.rbmorse@comcast.net> On Saturday 13 January 2007 15:35, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > ...Even after rebooting I now get the message: > > "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way > (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is > using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept > application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other > application before using this one." > > whenever I try to execute Adept. A "ps -A" gives me no clue as to > what might be running and suspect that some file or directory has > been locked. > > HELP! How do I get this cleaned up. Try to run this command from konsole: $ 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a' That will ask you if you want to kill the process locking the dpkg database. From mike at depolis.com Sat Jan 13 23:04:52 2007 From: mike at depolis.com (Mike DePolis) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:04:52 -0600 Subject: Adept hangup In-Reply-To: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200701131735.17786.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A96594.3090605@depolis.com> I would guess you are running into a problem with leftover lock file(s) since the application couldn't close cleanly. This forum message describes how to get rid of the lock files... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=331923 Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > Adept noted about 44 updates to my system so I proceeded to start the process. > Since this is a somewhat length process I left the computer to its devices > and returned about 40 minutes later with the screen showing about 3% > completion on installing one of the updates. The downloads had been > completed. > > But, after several moments, the Adept still showed 3% completion and it became > obvious that Adept was in hyperspace. I tried everything I could think of to > get Adept to cleanly quit but to no avail. > > Even after rebooting I now get the message: > > "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, > remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging > system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or > aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one." > > whenever I try to execute Adept. A "ps -A" gives me no clue as to what might > be running and suspect that some file or directory has been locked. > > HELP! How do I get this cleaned up. > > Many thanks. > > From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 14 01:28:01 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:28:01 -0500 Subject: MToolsFM Message-ID: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> I installed mtoolsfm and used it to copy 3 files to floppies. Since then, I have not been able to copy any dos files to floppy. I just keep getting an "input/output error" when I try to copy a file to floppy. The disk is good, the drive is good but not able to get it to work right. Does anyone have a solution to this problem. Harold From lists at ptfd.org Sun Jan 14 03:16:30 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:16:30 -0500 Subject: vmware-player Message-ID: <200701132216.30602.lists@ptfd.org> OK I should have created my winxp vm with 10 meg, instead of 7 meg drive, How do I increase it? Mike From rbmorse at comcast.net Sun Jan 14 03:38:42 2007 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:38:42 -0700 Subject: vmware-player In-Reply-To: <200701132216.30602.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200701132216.30602.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200701132038.43016.rbmorse@comcast.net> I don't think you can with Player. Actually, I don't think you can with With VMware workstation, either, but Workstation will let you can add an additional virtual disk partition to get more storage space for the VM. RBM On Saturday 13 January 2007 20:16, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > OK I should have created my winxp vm with 10 meg, instead of 7 meg > drive, How do I increase it? > > Mike From mike at depolis.com Sun Jan 14 07:06:16 2007 From: mike at depolis.com (Mike DePolis) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:06:16 -0600 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <45A9D668.9010308@depolis.com> Yup, got one for you. Follow these steps carefully and your problem will be solved. 1) Gently open computer case. Be sure to save all screws / plastic attachments. 2) Disconnect power from floppy drive. 3) Disconnect ribbon cable from floppy drive. 4) unscrew, and remove floppy drive from case. 5) Put floppy drive 10 yards down range from current position. 6) Cock hammer, aim, pull trigger, make .44 go boom and dispatch floppy drive from further existence. Sorry, not trying to be a smart arse here, but floppies? Really? Harold Hartley wrote: > I installed mtoolsfm and used it to copy 3 files to floppies. > Since then, I have not been able to copy any dos files to floppy. I just > keep getting an "input/output error" when I try to copy a file to floppy. > The disk is good, the drive is good but not able to get it to work right. > Does anyone have a solution to this problem. > > Harold > > > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 08:09:29 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:09:29 +0200 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200701141009.29548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > The disk is good, the drive is good but not able to get it to work right. > Does anyone have a solution to this problem. How do you know the disk and drive are good? Have you tested them under another O/S or tried with a brand new floppy disk? It sounds as though Linux and Mtools are working fine, that error is about a bad disk or bad drive. IANAE, HTH /d From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sun Jan 14 11:15:41 2007 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:15:41 -0500 Subject: vmware-player In-Reply-To: <200701132038.43016.rbmorse@comcast.net> References: <200701132216.30602.lists@ptfd.org> <200701132038.43016.rbmorse@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200701140615.41164.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Saturday 13 January 2007 10:38 pm, Ron Morse wrote: > I don't think you can with Player. Actually, I don't think you can > with With VMware workstation, either, but Workstation will let you > can add an additional virtual disk partition to get more storage > space for the VM. > > RBM > > On Saturday 13 January 2007 20:16, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > OK I should have created my winxp vm with 10 meg, instead of 7 meg > > drive, How do I increase it? > > > > Mike WS does let you increase virtual disks under w2k, so I'll bet it'll work under xp too. There's explicit instructions in the documentation. Paul From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 11:46:44 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:46:44 +0200 Subject: Getting rid of Windows Borders Message-ID: <880dece00701140346m7e14deb6k35c9f51edd52fd1b@mail.gmail.com> I've discovered that I don't really need the borders around windows, and I've begun eliminating them on a one-by-one basis. I've looked inKcontrol for a way to disable them completely, but I cannot find it. How does one disable windows broders in Kcontrol? Dotan Cohen http://essentialinux.com/locale.php http://laurieotto.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 12:32:56 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:32:56 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror Message-ID: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> When I try to browse the web in Konqueror, the first page comes up fine. The next link I click prompts me to open in Firefox or to save to disk. How can I have Konqueror behave like a normal web browser and display the web pages? I do have kde set to open html files in Kate. I cannot change that- I have lots of html files that I must edit regularly. I want local files to open in Kate, and files clicked on links on the web to open in the same browser window in konqi. How do I do that? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/35/anouk.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/website.html From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 12:42:25 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:42:25 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141442.26061.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > When I try to browse the web in Konqueror, the first page comes up > fine. The next link I click prompts me to open in Firefox or to save > to disk. How can I have Konqueror behave like a normal web browser and > display the web pages? I'll quote another post from earlier, maybe it will help > > This part´s easy: > > Go to ¨system settings¨, choose ¨KDE Components¨ > > choose default programs, choose web browser, select Firefox. > > > > I wish I could figure out how to make Firefox work with any mail program. > > I´ve never succeeded in doing so, and, as such, I choose to continue to > > use Mozilla. > > > > /tony /d From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 14 12:46:40 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:46:40 -0500 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701141009.29548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701141009.29548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AA2630.5070403@midmaine.com> Donn wrote: >> The disk is good, the drive is good but not able to get it to work right. >> Does anyone have a solution to this problem. >> > How do you know the disk and drive are good? Have you tested them under > another O/S or tried with a brand new floppy disk? > > It sounds as though Linux and Mtools are working fine, that error is about a > bad disk or bad drive. > > IANAE, HTH > > /d > > Its doing this on my laptop and my desktop. The desktop just got a new floppy drive that I have had around for a spare and the floppy in the laptop has be checked out, so I'll try another floppy or get some newer ones. Harold From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 14 12:53:56 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:53:56 -0500 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <45A9D668.9010308@depolis.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <45A9D668.9010308@depolis.com> Message-ID: <45AA27E4.6070204@midmaine.com> Mike DePolis wrote: > Yup, got one for you. Follow these steps carefully and your problem > will be solved. > > 1) Gently open computer case. Be sure to save all screws / plastic > attachments. > 2) Disconnect power from floppy drive. > 3) Disconnect ribbon cable from floppy drive. > 4) unscrew, and remove floppy drive from case. > 5) Put floppy drive 10 yards down range from current position. > 6) Cock hammer, aim, pull trigger, make .44 go boom and dispatch floppy > drive from further existence. > > Sorry, not trying to be a smart arse here, but floppies? Really? > > > Harold Hartley wrote: > >> I installed mtoolsfm and used it to copy 3 files to floppies. >> Since then, I have not been able to copy any dos files to floppy. I just >> keep getting an "input/output error" when I try to copy a file to floppy. >> The disk is good, the drive is good but not able to get it to work right. >> Does anyone have a solution to this problem. >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> > > Floppy drives are still made today and connect via USB ports and still sell flppy disk too.. Harold From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 13:47:12 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:47:12 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141442.26061.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140445u14373056q1fa46ec15d9b8cdb@mail.gmail.com> <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Donn wrote: > > I want it to stay in Konqi if I click on a link in a webpage that > > I opened in konqi. > The problem sounds very much like a mime issue. You should dig around in the > KDE control panel (kcontrol from ALT-F2) -> File Associations. > > IANAE - I think by setting 'html' to Kate, you have kind of nixed Konqueror as > a candidate too. > > Try that panel - I reckon it's your best bet. > > I find that I can drag and drop html files into Kate (or get Quanta!!!) just > as easily as double-clicking them. Or open the filesystem browser in Kate and > use that. Or setup an action menu in KDE to open-with Kate. > Thanks, Don. This is how it worked in Fedora, and how I'd like to set it up in Kubuntu: 1) I visit google.com in Konqueror- it opens in konqueror 2) I click on a link to google.com in Kmail- it opens in Firefox 3) I click on an html file stored on my hard drive- it opens in Kate. Firefox is my main broswer, but I test webpage designs in Opera and Konqi (and IE 6.0 in wine). So I want email links to open in Firefox, but I want to be able to browse the web in Konqi should the need arise. I appriciate your advice of "try kcontrol" but naturally I have spent much time trying to configre kcontrol before writing to the list. Maybe you know better than I _what_ to change in Kcontrol? Simply changing the file associations affects both Kmail and Konqueror. However, I remember that Konqueror once had 'profiles'. I think that is what I need, but I cannot find the profile configuration now. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/35/anouk.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/website.html From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 14:00:00 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:00:00 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I appriciate your advice of "try kcontrol" but naturally I have spent > much time trying to configre kcontrol before writing to the list. Sorry to waste your time - I am not exactly sure of what to change and I don't really want to risk stuffing up my own system! I hope you get an answer and post it -- or better make a howto on one of the *buntu forums. If I think of anything I'll let you know. Good luck. /d From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 14 13:58:33 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:58:33 -0500 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701141009.29548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701141009.29548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AA3709.8060901@midmaine.com> Donn wrote: >> The disk is good, the drive is good but not able to get it to work right. >> Does anyone have a solution to this problem. >> > How do you know the disk and drive are good? Have you tested them under > another O/S or tried with a brand new floppy disk? > > It sounds as though Linux and Mtools are working fine, that error is about a > bad disk or bad drive. > > IANAE, HTH > > /d > > Well, I found out that when doing a format in dos doesn't tell me much about the disk. But KDE floppy formatter does tell me more about the floppy and finding that some of my disk are bad. Harold From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 14:09:06 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:09:06 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Donn wrote: > > I appriciate your advice of "try kcontrol" but naturally I have spent > > much time trying to configre kcontrol before writing to the list. > > Sorry to waste your time No waste of my time, only yours! No harm done :) > I am not exactly sure of what to change and I don't > really want to risk stuffing up my own system! Naturally- I wouldn't expect anybody to go mucking up their own systems. Maybe I need to get my hands on a Fedora install and poke around a bit. > I hope you get an answer and post it -- or better make a howto on one of the > *buntu forums. If I do figure this out, then I will certainly post it on a wiki or other public place. > If I think of anything I'll let you know. > > Good luck. > /d > Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ram.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/74/blaque.html From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 14:14:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:14:34 +0200 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <45AA3709.8060901@midmaine.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701141009.29548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45AA3709.8060901@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200701141614.35352.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > floppy and finding that some of my disk are bad. Ah! Yes floppies are notorious for that! Good luck. /d From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 14 14:27:41 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:27:41 -0500 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AA3DDD.2080102@midmaine.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 14/01/07, Donn wrote: > >>> I appriciate your advice of "try kcontrol" but naturally I have spent >>> much time trying to configre kcontrol before writing to the list. >>> >> Sorry to waste your time >> > > No waste of my time, only yours! No harm done :) > > >> I am not exactly sure of what to change and I don't >> really want to risk stuffing up my own system! >> > > Naturally- I wouldn't expect anybody to go mucking up their own > systems. Maybe I need to get my hands on a Fedora install and poke > around a bit. > > >> I hope you get an answer and post it -- or better make a howto on one of the >> *buntu forums. >> > > If I do figure this out, then I will certainly post it on a wiki or > other public place. > > >> If I think of anything I'll let you know. >> >> Good luck. >> /d >> >> > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ram.html > http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/74/blaque.html > > If your having so much trouble with konqueror then try a reinstall or try firefox. I use firefox and have flash, java, realplayer, quicktime, windows media player and vrml working with my firefox and this is in kubuntu 6.10... So try what I said earlier. reinstall or try firefox. Harold From jim at jimbyers.com Sun Jan 14 14:39:09 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0600 Subject: Cannot access Adpept or Command Line Message-ID: <45AA408D.7080409@jimbyers.com> Last night before I turned in, I re-installed Automatix 2, and all appeared to be working well. This morning all was well, but when I tried to do an Adept Update, my password would not appear as entered. I thin tried to enter password as su but my password would not appear as typed. I did restart the computer and was able to login normally. Any guidance to resolve this problem would be greatly appreciated. Jim From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 15:08:23 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:08:23 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <45AA3DDD.2080102@midmaine.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> <45AA3DDD.2080102@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701140708w22a2d052qa6d77ae1f77120d1@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Harold Hartley wrote: > If your having so much trouble with konqueror then try a reinstall or > try firefox. > I use firefox and have flash, java, realplayer, quicktime, windows media > player and vrml working with my firefox and this is in kubuntu 6.10... > So try what I said earlier. reinstall or try firefox. > I'll start from the beginning: I use Firefox as my primary web browser. I love Firefox. I currently have Firefox as my default browser, and links that I click on in Kmail open in Firefox. HTML documents that I have stored on my hard drive open in Kate (because if it's stored locally, then I'm opening it to edit it). I design and test websites in Konqueror, Opera, and IE in wine. So I need to be able to browse the web in those browsers as well. When I type and address into Opera, I can browse the website. When I type and address into Firefox, I can browse the website. When I type and address into IE, I can browse the website. When I type and address into Konqueror, I am prompted to open the page in Firefox. I don't want that- I want to browse the web in Konqueror. But I want webpages that I click on in Kmail to open in my default browser- Firefox. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/488/ub40.html http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/how_can_i_be_safe_online.html From harijs at info-shelter.net Sun Jan 14 15:11:58 2007 From: harijs at info-shelter.net (Harijs Buss) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:11:58 +0200 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701141614.35352.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <45AA3709.8060901@midmaine.com> <200701141614.35352.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:14, Donn rakstija: > > floppy and finding that some of my disk are bad. > Ah! Yes floppies are notorious for that! Good luck. Specially floppies produced in last years are particularly bad and unreliable. Old floppies are often much better, if kept out of dust. When I (rarely nowadays) need to use a floppy, I have bunch of relicts which were once part of an IBM OS/2 installation package about 10 years ago :-) They still are 100% good, no i/o errors whatsoever. Probably the best part of OS/2 still in use :) Oh wait, I have nice dark purple OS/2 mug as well. Harijs From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 15:18:10 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:18:10 +0200 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701141614.35352.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> Message-ID: <200701141718.11975.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Probably the best part > of OS/2 still in use :) Oh wait, I have nice dark purple OS/2 mug as well. Ha! :D Somewhere, I still have Visual Basic 3 on stiffy disks - I think there were almost 20 of them! Crazy stuff. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 15:31:24 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:31:24 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141731.25217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hey Dotan - you gonna owe me a beer for this: Go into kcontrol and setup Kate as the second in the list of applications associated with .html files. Make sure Konqueror is first in the list. Now the magic: Middle click to open in Kate Left d-click to open in Konqy. :D This is on a virgin (as far as mime types go) Kubuntu Dapper install with only my having added kate (well, kedit) to that list. HTH /d From iddingdj05 at comcast.net Sun Jan 14 15:34:47 2007 From: iddingdj05 at comcast.net (Donald Iddings) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:34:47 -0500 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu Message-ID: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user & like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? It's a good strong pc bout 2 years old built it myself, plenty of storage space left, 1G of ram, 2.8Ghz cpu so from hrdw perspective can more than handle it. iddingdj05 at comcast.net From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 14 15:41:13 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:41:13 -0500 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <880dece00701140708w22a2d052qa6d77ae1f77120d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141502.11387.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140547t5f89afe8n7297a52466e37f6@mail.gmail.com> <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> <45AA3DDD.2080102@midmaine.com> <880dece00701140708w22a2d052qa6d77ae1f77120d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AA4F19.9020302@midmaine.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 14/01/07, Harold Hartley wrote: >> If your having so much trouble with konqueror then try a reinstall or >> try firefox. >> I use firefox and have flash, java, realplayer, quicktime, windows media >> player and vrml working with my firefox and this is in kubuntu 6.10... >> So try what I said earlier. reinstall or try firefox. >> > > I'll start from the beginning: > I use Firefox as my primary web browser. I love Firefox. I currently > have Firefox as my default browser, and links that I click on in Kmail > open in Firefox. HTML documents that I have stored on my hard drive > open in Kate (because if it's stored locally, then I'm opening it to > edit it). > > I design and test websites in Konqueror, Opera, and IE in wine. So I > need to be able to browse the web in those browsers as well. > > When I type and address into Opera, I can browse the website. > When I type and address into Firefox, I can browse the website. > When I type and address into IE, I can browse the website. > When I type and address into Konqueror, I am prompted to open the page > in Firefox. I don't want that- I want to browse the web in Konqueror. > > But I want webpages that I click on in Kmail to open in my default > browser- Firefox. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/488/ub40.html > http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/how_can_i_be_safe_online.html > Now I understand what you are doing.. Harold From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 15:46:53 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:46:53 +0200 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701141746.54679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? Far as I know you can install KDE by: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop But you better check the Ubuntu forums for particulars and repos etc. Once you have that done, it's a matter of figuring-out how to boot into KDE or Gnome as you want to. I think you can switch at the login point. If you install other desktops (like XFCE or Fluxbox or E17) you get them as choices too. HTH /d From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 16:18:36 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:18:36 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701141731.25217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141600.01104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140609j7353d6e6mad69dc167af331ef@mail.gmail.com> <200701141731.25217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701140818q59bd436cm7b305259f30f2d21@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Donn wrote: > Hey Dotan - you gonna owe me a beer for this: > Go into kcontrol and setup Kate as the second in the list of applications > associated with .html files. > Make sure Konqueror is first in the list. > Now the magic: > Middle click to open in Kate > Left d-click to open in Konqy. > :D > > This is on a virgin (as far as mime types go) Kubuntu Dapper install with only > my having added kate (well, kedit) to that list. > > HTH > /d > You said the magic word. You find yourself in Haifa, first beer's on me! 054-788-1700 Either way, it's no-go on my machine. I've got Konqi as the first choice and Firefox as the second, and both left- and middle- clicking leaves me with the pages opening in Konqi. The only difference is that middle clicking opens in a new window. Beer still available, though! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/eula.html http://essentialinux.com/linux-software.php From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 16:48:43 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:48:43 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701141837.34842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141731.25217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140818q59bd436cm7b305259f30f2d21@mail.gmail.com> <200701141837.34842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701140848v4f9d97cxc1cd911f48ccd2f5@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Donn wrote: > I recall messing around with that mime stuff in Fedora 3 which I ran for about > a year. I thought I was being very careful but I stuffed everything up really > badly. After a while I had to put links to apps on my desktop so I could drag > and drop files to the links to open things! > Perhaps there's a way to restore things to default, or edit things in a text > config file, but I don't know how. > > Have you tried to set Firefox as your default browser > (K->SystemSettings->KDEComponents->DefaultApps) and then remove it from the > list of .html files in the filetype settings? > > /d > Donn, you are wanted in Haifa! Your beer is waiting... That was just what I needed. I set the default application to Firefox and the File Association to Konqueror, and it now behaves just how I would like: 1) I can browse the web in Konqi 2) E-mail links open in Firefox 3) I must right-click and select Open With to open local html files in kate. No big deal- I can live with that. Thank you very much! What beer do you drink? (I prefer Leff myself) Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/5/445/sepultura/schizophrenia.html http://dotancohen.com/eng/dell.php From mike at depolis.com Sun Jan 14 16:56:30 2007 From: mike at depolis.com (Mike DePolis) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:30 -0600 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45AA60BE.6010907@depolis.com> Donald Iddings wrote: > former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user & > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? > > It's a good strong pc bout 2 years old built it myself, plenty of > storage space left, 1G of ram, 2.8Ghz cpu so from hrdw perspective can > more than handle it. > > iddingdj05 at comcast.net > > > > No need to even do that! If you want you can run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop This will install KDE and a bunch of related items. This way you can run Gnome and KDE from the same installation. You just choose which one you want to fireup when you login. From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jan 14 16:56:49 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:56:49 +0000 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45AA60D1.4000308@blueyonder.co.uk> Donald Iddings wrote: > former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user & > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? > > It's a good strong pc bout 2 years old built it myself, plenty of > storage space left, 1G of ram, 2.8Ghz cpu so from hrdw perspective can > more than handle it. > > > Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same except for the desktop environment they use, so you can have both installed at the same time. No need to dual boot The easiest (and recommended) way is to open up Synaptic and install "kubuntu-desktop". That will install everything you would get in a fresh Kubuntu install. Once that's done, you'll be able to choose between a KDE session or a Gnome session at the login screen, either KDM or GDM (You'll be able to choose which you want to use) That's all you need for a full Kubuntu install, enjoy :) Tez From jim at jimbyers.com Sun Jan 14 16:59:30 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:59:30 -0600 Subject: Cannot access Adpept or Command Line CORRECTION to original post In-Reply-To: <45AA408D.7080409@jimbyers.com> References: <45AA408D.7080409@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45AA6172.5010505@jimbyers.com> Jim Byers wrote: > Last night before I turned in, I re-installed Automatix 2, and all > appeared to be working well. This morning all was well, but when I > tried to do an Adept Update, my password would not appear as entered. I > thin tried to enter password as su but my password would not appear as > typed. I did restart the computer and was able to login normally. > > Any guidance to resolve this problem would be greatly appreciated. > > Jim > > Jim Byers wrote: As it turns out I can not enter any text into any application after I login. I have run recovery and reinstalled the keyboard, but after my login I can bring up any applicaton yet cannot enter text. Can someone please help me on this apparent loss of keyboard funtionality? Jim From lokeey at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:02:07 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:02:07 -0600 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701141746.54679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <200701141746.54679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: i've done it this way where i've installed ubuntu and not a big fan of gnome, so i would install kde off the pkg mngr, but then you end up with a ton of other stuff, like, games, dev stuff, languages, etc etc, but this way you have an option of choosing which desktop to use, fluxbox, xfce, etc...so i tested out the two different builds and since i'm a kde fan, i ditched ubuntu and switched to kubuntu. you can definitely do the dual boot if you like, but if you're like me and prefer kde over gnome, then just install Kubuntu On 1/14/07, Donn wrote: > > > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? > Far as I know you can install KDE by: > sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop > But you better check the Ubuntu forums for particulars and repos etc. > Once you have that done, it's a matter of figuring-out how to boot into > KDE or > Gnome as you want to. I think you can switch at the login point. If you > install other desktops (like XFCE or Fluxbox or E17) you get them as > choices > too. > > HTH > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iddingdj05 at comcast.net Sun Jan 14 17:24:34 2007 From: iddingdj05 at comcast.net (Donald Iddings) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:24:34 -0500 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <200701141746.54679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> thanks all for the feedback. In the Synaptic Package Manager what is the difference between "KDE Desktop Environment" & "Kubutu-Desktop" On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 11:02 -0600, Lokeey wrote: > i've done it this way where i've installed ubuntu and not a big fan of > gnome, so i would install kde off the pkg mngr, but then you end up > with a ton of other stuff, like, games, dev stuff, languages, etc etc, > but this way you have an option of choosing which desktop to use, > fluxbox, xfce, etc...so i tested out the two different builds and > since i'm a kde fan, i ditched ubuntu and switched to kubuntu. > > you can definitely do the dual boot if you like, but if you're like me > and prefer kde over gnome, then just install Kubuntu > > On 1/14/07, Donn wrote: > > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE > desktop , can I > > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & > Kubuntu? > Far as I know you can install KDE by: > sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop > But you better check the Ubuntu forums for particulars and > repos etc. > Once you have that done, it's a matter of figuring-out how to > boot into KDE or > Gnome as you want to. I think you can switch at the login > point. If you > install other desktops (like XFCE or Fluxbox or E17) you get > them as choices > too. > > HTH > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > "I am what I am because of who we all are" From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:30:50 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:30:50 +0200 Subject: Cannot access Adpept or Command Line CORRECTION to original post In-Reply-To: <45AA6172.5010505@jimbyers.com> References: <45AA408D.7080409@jimbyers.com> <45AA6172.5010505@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701141930.50438.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > As it turns out I can not enter any text into any application after I > login. How do you login without being able to type a password? > I have run recovery and reinstalled the keyboard, What recovery? Re-install a keyboard? Did you run dpkg reconfigure? > but after my > login I can bring up any applicaton yet cannot enter text. Can someone > please help me on this apparent loss of keyboard funtionality? This really sounds like a b0rked keyboard. I dunno what else to say. Can you test it on another machine or O/S? /d From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:30:13 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:30:13 -0600 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <200701141746.54679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: IIRC, one installed base kde-base and the other installs kubuntu-desktop. The latter installs more packages. On 1/14/07, Donald Iddings wrote: > > thanks all for the feedback. In the Synaptic Package Manager what is the > difference between "KDE Desktop Environment" & "Kubutu-Desktop" > > On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 11:02 -0600, Lokeey wrote: > > i've done it this way where i've installed ubuntu and not a big fan of > > gnome, so i would install kde off the pkg mngr, but then you end up > > with a ton of other stuff, like, games, dev stuff, languages, etc etc, > > but this way you have an option of choosing which desktop to use, > > fluxbox, xfce, etc...so i tested out the two different builds and > > since i'm a kde fan, i ditched ubuntu and switched to kubuntu. > > > > you can definitely do the dual boot if you like, but if you're like me > > and prefer kde over gnome, then just install Kubuntu > > > > On 1/14/07, Donn wrote: > > > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE > > desktop , can I > > > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & > > Kubuntu? > > Far as I know you can install KDE by: > > sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop > > But you better check the Ubuntu forums for particulars and > > repos etc. > > Once you have that done, it's a matter of figuring-out how to > > boot into KDE or > > Gnome as you want to. I think you can switch at the login > > point. If you > > install other desktops (like XFCE or Fluxbox or E17) you get > > them as choices > > too. > > > > HTH > > /d > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can someone >> please help me on this apparent loss of keyboard funtionality? >> > This really sounds like a b0rked keyboard. I dunno what else to say. Can you > test it on another machine or O/S? > > /d > > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:35:33 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:35:33 +0200 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701141935.33264.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday 14 January 2007 19:24, Donald Iddings wrote: > thanks all for the feedback. In the Synaptic Package Manager what is the > difference between "KDE Desktop Environment" & "Kubutu-Desktop" It's amazing how much stuff I kinda-sorta-know-but-can't-really-swear-on-it :D Okay -- the one you want is "Kubuntu-Desktop" it has rules and stuff (i.e. I don't know) that makes it perform a proper Kubuntu install. If you just install the KDE one then you get only KDE. You won't get all the other stuff that "comes with" Kubuntu. Sometimes that can be a good thing, depending on your Internet speed etc, but I don't know if it will setup all the user-friendly stuff that Kubuntu gives you. It might force you into dependency hell, which is a lousy place to spend the day! HTH /d From lokeey at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:37:31 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:37:31 -0600 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701141935.33264.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> <200701141935.33264.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: right! so listen to these guys...probably want to play with the kubuntu one instead of just straight kde-desktop install...that was my prob, until i discovered what kubuntu was...ENJOY! On 1/14/07, Donn wrote: > > On Sunday 14 January 2007 19:24, Donald Iddings wrote: > > thanks all for the feedback. In the Synaptic Package Manager what is the > > difference between "KDE Desktop Environment" & "Kubutu-Desktop" > It's amazing how much stuff I > kinda-sorta-know-but-can't-really-swear-on-it :D > Okay -- the one you want is "Kubuntu-Desktop" it has rules and stuff (i.e. > I > don't know) that makes it perform a proper Kubuntu install. > If you just install the KDE one then you get only KDE. You won't get all > the > other stuff that "comes with" Kubuntu. Sometimes that can be a good thing, > depending on your Internet speed etc, but I don't know if it will setup > all > the user-friendly stuff that Kubuntu gives you. It might force you into > dependency hell, which is a lousy place to spend the day! > > HTH > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Sun Jan 14 17:19:26 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:19:26 -0500 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <1168795474.29992.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701141219.27606.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:24, Donald Iddings wrote: > thanks all for the feedback. In the Synaptic Package Manager what is the > difference between "KDE Desktop Environment" & "Kubutu-Desktop" Basically, with kde-desktop you are getting the generic kde environment. kubuntu-Dektop is the metapackage which sets up Ubuntu's version of KDE, there are some kde packages which are not included, and some other packages such as Open Office which are included in the kubuntu -desktop. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:42:28 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:42:28 +0200 Subject: Cannot access Adpept or Command Line CORRECTION to original post In-Reply-To: <45AA68FB.1040702@jimbyers.com> References: <45AA408D.7080409@jimbyers.com> <200701141930.50438.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45AA68FB.1040702@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <200701141942.28282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I am able to use the keyboard to login, but once I am in Kubuntu, the > keyboard seems to not work. Hmmm.... 1. Try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then setup the keyboard - you might have to run this from a console via ctrl-alt-f1 -- i.e. don't login at the graphic screen, switch to text directly. 2. If that still does not work, I am out of suggestions except my other one to test the keyboard on another machine. /d From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Sun Jan 14 17:43:47 2007 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (SteVe Cook) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:43:47 +0000 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <200701141746.54679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AA6BD3.3070309@googlemail.com> Lokeey wrote: > i've done it this way where i've installed ubuntu and not a big fan > of gnome, so i would install kde off the pkg mngr, but then you end > up with a ton of other stuff, like, games, dev stuff, languages, etc > etc, but this way you have an option of choosing which desktop to > use, fluxbox, xfce, etc...so i tested out the two different builds > and since i'm a kde fan, i ditched ubuntu and switched to kubuntu. > > you can definitely do the dual boot if you like, but if you're like > me and prefer kde over gnome, then just install Kubuntu > > On 1/14/07, *Donn* > wrote: > >> like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , > can I >> install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & >> Kubuntu? > Far as I know you can install KDE by: sudo aptitude install > kubuntu-desktop But you better check the Ubuntu forums for > particulars and repos etc. Once you have that done, it's a matter of > figuring-out how to boot into KDE or Gnome as you want to. I think > you can switch at the login point. If you install other desktops > (like XFCE or Fluxbox or E17) you get them as choices too. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php has some useful info on installing and removing different desktops. SteVe From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Sun Jan 14 17:25:32 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:25:32 -0500 Subject: Getting rid of Windows Borders In-Reply-To: <880dece00701140346m7e14deb6k35c9f51edd52fd1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140346m7e14deb6k35c9f51edd52fd1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141225.32748.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Sunday 14 January 2007 06:46, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I've discovered that I don't really need the borders around windows, > and I've begun eliminating them on a one-by-one basis. I've looked > inKcontrol for a way to disable them completely, but I cannot find it. > How does one disable windows broders in Kcontrol? > Best I can suggest: Kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Windows Decorations: Border Size ---> Tiny > Dotan Cohen > > http://essentialinux.com/locale.php > http://laurieotto.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 18:40:24 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:40:24 +0200 Subject: Getting rid of Windows Borders In-Reply-To: <200701141225.32748.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140346m7e14deb6k35c9f51edd52fd1b@mail.gmail.com> <200701141225.32748.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701141040w427f7c34g30a18f6562164cd@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 06:46, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I've discovered that I don't really need the borders around windows, > > and I've begun eliminating them on a one-by-one basis. I've looked > > inKcontrol for a way to disable them completely, but I cannot find it. > > How does one disable windows broders in Kcontrol? > > > Best I can suggest: > > Kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Windows Decorations: Border Size ---> Tiny > Thanks, tiny it is now. But eliminating them altogether nets me another line of text in Firefox. No big deal, but I'm obsessive about screen real estate (the task bar is on the right side already). Also, the interface looks much less clutered. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/134/457/spears_britney/_baby_one_more_time.html http://music-lyriks.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 18:44:13 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:44:13 +0200 Subject: Browsing the web in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200701141856.21872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140432x692533d6i2fe10af2df115995@mail.gmail.com> <200701141837.34842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701140848v4f9d97cxc1cd911f48ccd2f5@mail.gmail.com> <200701141856.21872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701141044y4d7ad39fmb069e25d27096529@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/07, Donn wrote: > > Donn, you are wanted in Haifa! Your beer is waiting... > :D > > > 1) I can browse the web in Konqi > > 2) E-mail links open in Firefox > > 3) I must right-click and select Open With to open local html files in > > kate. No big deal- I can live with that. > Number 3 is odd that it won't do that with a middle-click. > > Anyway, glad it's something you can live with now. > > Thank you very much! What beer do you drink? (I prefer Leff myself) > Heh - I live in South Africa and my favourite is called Amstel Lager, but it > might be local, I'm not sure. > > Cheers, > /d > Should have said so sooner, ya lecker! I intend to drink me an Amarula in South Africa one day... I think that Amstel is the name of the river running through Amsterdam. That'd make it a Dutch beer. Dotan Cohen http://gmail-com.com/faq.php http://dramatherapy.info From jim at jimbyers.com Sun Jan 14 20:01:01 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:01 -0600 Subject: Cannot access Adpept or Command Line CORRECTION to original post In-Reply-To: <200701141942.28282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45AA408D.7080409@jimbyers.com> <200701141930.50438.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45AA68FB.1040702@jimbyers.com> <200701141942.28282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AA8BFD.50008@jimbyers.com> Jim wrote: I have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command with current keyboard and then it again with another keyboard. Both keyboards work with XP on the dual boot system. My questions at this point are: 1. May I use Kubuntu installation disk to repair the current installation? 2. If not, will have have to start over with a new installation. Obviously, I would like to keep my current installation because with your previous help I have gotten to the point of enjoying Kubuntu more than any other distro. Thanks, Jim Donn wrote: >> I am able to use the keyboard to login, but once I am in Kubuntu, the >> keyboard seems to not work. >> > Hmmm.... > 1. Try: > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg > and then setup the keyboard - you might have to run this from a console via > ctrl-alt-f1 -- i.e. don't login at the graphic screen, switch to text > directly. > 2. If that still does not work, I am out of suggestions except my other one to > test the keyboard on another machine. > > > /d > > From brymelvin at melvinart.com Sun Jan 14 21:03:15 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:03:15 -0700 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <45AA3709.8060901@midmaine.com> <200701141614.35352.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> Message-ID: <1168808595.21161.24.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 17:11 +0200, Harijs Buss wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:14, Donn rakstija: > > > floppy and finding that some of my disk are bad. > > Ah! Yes floppies are notorious for that! Good luck. > > Specially floppies produced in last years are particularly bad and unreliable. > Old floppies are often much better, if kept out of dust. When I (rarely > nowadays) need to use a floppy, I have bunch of relicts which were once part > of an IBM OS/2 installation package about 10 years ago :-) They still are > 100% good, no i/o errors whatsoever. Probably the best part of OS/2 still in > use :) Oh wait, I have nice dark purple OS/2 mug as well. > > Harijs > hey OS/2 we used that for servers until 13 months ago when IBM put it to sleep. FWIW OS/2 is the ONLY way to fix some of these disks and even MAKE copies of the original W95 installation disks (except for disk1) Additionally there IS a quality problem with current disks, but it's not the disks; it's the stores. The disks sit around past reliable shelf life, AND The inventory and tracking used at Walmart etc etc install a small plastic radio chip on the box. it will also trigger the alarms at the stored. contrary to docs on the subject the use of this device damages the disks near to it in the box. I recently bought a box that 80% reported errors. Usually a few disks in the middle of the box will work OK but the ones near the tracker will be bad and if it is on the end of the box (usually is) the ones at the OTHER end of the box will be bad from the device on an adjacent box. I pulled my hair out until I figured this out. Now if I need floppies I fix them BEFORE using them, I fix them by erasing them with a bulk eraser meant for magnetic tape. and formatting them with a FULL format (not the erase quick format present in today's operating systems) works everytime. I also check them with an old OS/2 utility but most people won't have that. Preformatting is done on virtually ALL floppies on the market now, You need to start from an unformatted disk to get reliability today... They often sit in stock a long time and deteriorate. Here in the dry desert where static is a constant problem it is very apparent. Disks deteriorate Rapidly. FWIW I have OS/2 install disks back to 2.1 I have checked and refreshed them periodically back to last year when I quit OS/2 and eCS. OH and maybe it's overreaction as few except where I live actually carry a weapon but backing off ten paces and shooting a floppy drive with a 44 is gonna scatter debris at your neighbors. angle of incidence= angle of refraction. I wouldn't even shoot a rattler from that angle you risk shooting your neighbor a kilometer away. Bryann From harijs at info-shelter.net Sun Jan 14 21:38:09 2007 From: harijs at info-shelter.net (Harijs Buss) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:38:09 +0200 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <1168808595.21161.24.camel@localhost> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> <1168808595.21161.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701142338.09735.harijs@info-shelter.net> On Sunday 14 January 2007 23:03, bryann rakstija: > FWIW OS/2 is the ONLY way to fix some of these disks and even MAKE > copies of the original W95 installation disks (except for disk1) Probably that can be done from Linux as well. Maybe some Guru will give us idea how to do full Format and full Track-to-Track copy and verify of old good floppies? Even in case of strange formats like 1.8 Mb on standard 1.44 Mb diskette? Just in case :) Sure nowadays floppies seem to be more or less extinct, newer motherboards even do not have Floppy device connectors anymore. In my experience during last years I had to use floppies only to boot from them in case of firmware upgrades, and mainly on older boards not supporting boot from USB flash memory drives. > I recently bought a box that 80% reported errors. Usually a few disks > in the middle of the box will work OK but the ones near the tracker will > be bad and if it is on the end of the box (usually is) the ones at the > OTHER end of the box will be bad from the device on an adjacent box. Yep, that seems to be reasonable explanation. Thanks. Harijs From mike at depolis.com Sun Jan 14 22:43:29 2007 From: mike at depolis.com (Mike DePolis) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:43:29 -0600 Subject: Getting rid of Windows Borders In-Reply-To: <200701141225.32748.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701140346m7e14deb6k35c9f51edd52fd1b@mail.gmail.com> <200701141225.32748.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701141643.29545.mike@depolis.com> On Sunday 14 January 2007 11:25, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 06:46, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I've discovered that I don't really need the borders around windows, > > and I've begun eliminating them on a one-by-one basis. I've looked > > inKcontrol for a way to disable them completely, but I cannot find it. > > How does one disable windows broders in Kcontrol? > > Best I can suggest: > > Kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Windows Decorations: Border Size ---> Tiny > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > http://essentialinux.com/locale.php > > http://laurieotto.com If you can / want to use Beryl, there are some Beryl themes that have no borders. I think you can maybe turn them off on any of the themes through the beryl-manager as well. From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Jan 15 00:06:06 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:06:06 +0200 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> Message-ID: <45AAC56E.2000703@mail.ee> > Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work and > need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB 2.0 drive > that is currently formatted in NTFS. > How do delete everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better > filesystem for running such a large USB drive on? You may also use NTFS under Linux as read/write: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions Please see the "Accessing the Files on Your Windows Partition From Ubuntu" Also for further reading, please see - http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Jan 15 00:30:56 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:30:56 +0200 Subject: Installing Kububtu on USB drive In-Reply-To: <636054.29547.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <636054.29547.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45AACB40.3070101@mail.ee> >> The bios of my Compaq V2414NR laptop bought in Dec 2005 does not >> have >> the ability to boot from a USB drive. So what are my options with >> this >> additional info? > There is a program that fits on a floppy called SMB (small boot > manager) that could help. I don't remember where I found it. I use it > for OLD machines that won't boot from CDROM. Smart Boot Manager can be downloaded here: http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/download.html From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Jan 15 00:58:22 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:58:22 +0200 Subject: OOo 2.0 removal [dapper] In-Reply-To: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701120846.38844.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45AAD1AE.5050701@mail.ee> > I downloaded 2.1 from the OOo website and converted the RPMs to DEBs. It > installs in /opt and seems to run fine. I have no use for the OOo 2.0 the > comes with Kubuntu Dapper. Can I safely remove or will it break something > else? How do I tell apt-get to remove 2.0 and not 2.1? I used to remove: sudo apt-get remove language-support-en language-support-et openoffice.org openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-help-en-us openoffice.org-help-et openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-l10n-common openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-us openoffice.org-l10n-en-za openoffice.org-l10n-et openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-writer python-uno iestonian ispell mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb thunderbird-locale-en-gb wamerican wbritish 288,1 MB If you have another than *et* language - replace it as your is. My LUG has been repacked OOo as *.deb and then I just install them as usual: sudo dpkg -i * in folder of DEBS. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 06:51:20 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:51:20 +0200 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45AAC56E.2000703@mail.ee> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <45AAC56E.2000703@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200701150851.21429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 15 January 2007 02:06, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > > Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work and > > need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB 2.0 > > drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. > > How do delete everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a better > > filesystem for running such a large USB drive on? Search the Ubuntu forums with keywords like: format ext3 usb howto http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php Here is my own howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267869 There are some very good ones on partitioning and NTFS Read/Write support. /d From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 06:55:06 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:55:06 -0600 Subject: question on formating USB Drive in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701150851.21429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <001801c7307e$33a7b570$9af72050$@net> <45AAC56E.2000703@mail.ee> <200701150851.21429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Be warned that writing to NTFS not the most stable thing eve. On 1/15/07, Donn wrote: > > On Monday 15 January 2007 02:06, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > > > Ok I am slowly moving completely over to Linux on my laptop for work > and > > > need to run a bunch of Virtual Machines so I have an 120 gig USB 2.0 > > > drive that is currently formatted in NTFS. > > > How do delete everything that is on it and format it to ext3 or a > better > > > filesystem for running such a large USB drive on? > > Search the Ubuntu forums with keywords like: format ext3 usb howto > http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php > > Here is my own howto: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267869 > > > There are some very good ones on partitioning and NTFS Read/Write support. > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Jan 15 11:22:30 2007 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:22:30 +0000 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701142338.09735.harijs@info-shelter.net> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701141711.58501.harijs@info-shelter.net> <1168808595.21161.24.camel@localhost> <200701142338.09735.harijs@info-shelter.net> Message-ID: <45AB63F6.5080806@yahoo.it> Harijs Buss wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 23:03, bryann rakstija: >> FWIW OS/2 is the ONLY way to fix some of these disks and even MAKE >> copies of the original W95 installation disks (except for disk1) > > Probably that can be done from Linux as well. Maybe some Guru will give us > idea how to do full Format and full Track-to-Track copy and verify of old > good floppies? Even in case of strange formats like 1.8 Mb on standard 1.44 > Mb diskette? Just in case :) Once a utility called HDCopy existed, I don't know about its current status but back then it was a simple DOS executable, cardware license, and could do lots of strange things like disk copy and disk formatting with 21 sectors x 84 tracks - the disks only worked on some floppy drives, but you could copy w95 disks and have some extra slack space on them :-D Oh look, wikipedia has something about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCopy I. -- Ignazio Palmisano Ph.D. Student - ignazio at csc.liv.ac.uk, ignazio_io at {yahoo.it, hotmail.com, skype}, palmisano at di.uniba.it From aajd at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 15 11:30:48 2007 From: aajd at xs4all.nl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_de_Boer?=) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:30:48 +0100 Subject: 2 question from a newbie Message-ID: <002a01c73898$9b155740$9f00000a@LOES> Hi, I hope someone can answers my questions: 1e question: On my laptop i have kubuntu (Drapper) installed. The Adept Manager shows only installed packages and no "not installed" packages. How can i change this? 2e question: On startup i have no wireless connection. How can i change the settings to have always a wireless connection. Thanks for the answers. André -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 12:06:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:06:41 +0200 Subject: 2 question from a newbie In-Reply-To: <002a01c73898$9b155740$9f00000a@LOES> References: <002a01c73898$9b155740$9f00000a@LOES> Message-ID: <200701151406.41621.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 1e question: > On my laptop i have kubuntu (Drapper) installed. > The Adept Manager shows only installed packages and no "not installed" > packages. How can i change this? Adept: Look in second row from the top (2nd big blue arrow). Click it. It shows a "Show:" section. There you can get what you need. OR K->Start->Add/Remove Programs That's a lot easier to use, perhaps it will help. > 2e question: > On startup i have no wireless connection. > How can i change the settings to have always a wireless connection. Search ubuntu forums. This is a difficult question as there is no real standard solution. HTH /d From jim at jimbyers.com Mon Jan 15 12:10:38 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:10:38 -0600 Subject: Samba and Windows Message-ID: <45AB6F3E.4060508@jimbyers.com> I have had to reinstall Dapper and am trying to setup Samba so XP Clients can see Dapper server. I can see my Samba server from XP and see the shared folders, but when I double click XP network workgroup icon I get a popup login. The first time I set Samba up I had the same problem and some one told me what to change to allow me to access server. I will print out and lock up the tip next time. Thanks, Jim From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jan 15 12:16:47 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:16:47 -0500 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <459DCB0E.8010808@gmail.com> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200701041542.47664.lists@ptfd.org> <459DCB0E.8010808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701150716.47674.lists@ptfd.org> On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:50, O. Sinclair wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:28, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >>> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: > >>>> Chris Miller wrote: > >>>>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed > >>>>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes > >>>>> in my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in > >>>>> the swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety > >>>>> black backdrop). > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >>>>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save > >>>>>> files on smb shares? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped > >>>> about the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in > >>>> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead > >>>> of smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. > >>>> > >>>> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a > >>>> proper check on the boxes I have working. > >>>> > >>>> Sinclair > >>> > >>> Sinclair, > >>> > >>> Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it > >>> won't even open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and > >>> gnome-vfs it will open read only. > >>> > >>> I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's > >>> home directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any > >>> desktop in the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can > >>> I just add the parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the > >>> various users homes? I take it I would have to assign each user account > >>> on each desktop the same UID, and then set it up to authenticate > >>> somehow with kde to the appropriate home upon login. > >>> > >>> Mike > >> > >> Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 > >> server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) > >> Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string > >> > >> 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o > >> username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, > >> fmask=0111,dmask=0000' > >> > >> then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users > >> loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't > >> remember at this moment. > >> > >> Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to > >> mount their shares. > >> > >> Sinclair > > > > Is this in your opinion the best and esiest way to share ~home 's so you > > can login from anywhere in an office? Or would nfs be better? or another > > better solution? > > > > Mike > > From anywhere in the office it is not a good working solution as I see > it since you have to set up these scripts "everywhere". I would then > rather go nfs or even simply downgrade the server to W2000 server - if > that is an option... Not really an option > note the problem is def. Ooo, smb and KDE - in Gnome Ubuntu this is a > non-existent problem. That is why I thought to gnome vfs might help. I > had it working at one time but you had to give username/password a > couple of times extra. I don't think that would really be a problem. > I have never managed to mount an smb share on a W2003 server so that Ooo > can open r/w using fstab etc. Sadly. > > So if users are not KDE-addicted you could opt for Gnome Ubuntu instead, > I am no hardliner myself. I did get the script to work, but not in ~/.kde/Autostart. I think this is perhaps because I have tried several times but cannot get the editing sudoers to work for me, I still have to execute it sudo and enter the password, since these users are not admin priveledge this will not work. I am close but really need to solve this soon... Mike From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jan 15 12:18:03 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:18:03 -0500 Subject: auto-logoff Message-ID: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> Is there any way to get kde to auto logoff instead of just auto locking the session after a designated period of time with no activity? Mike From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 12:48:00 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:48:00 +0200 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <200701150716.47674.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200701041542.47664.lists@ptfd.org> <459DCB0E.8010808@gmail.com> <200701150716.47674.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <45AB7800.9010809@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:50, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:28, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 01:27, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>> Chris Miller wrote: >>>>>>> I wasn't aware it didn't work. Are there any other more detailed >>>>>>> symptoms you can give me? So far I have two mysterious black boxes >>>>>>> in my head with a beige Cat5e cable strung between them suspended in >>>>>>> the swirling mists of my mind's eye (on the familar, soft velvety >>>>>>> black backdrop). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/26/06, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >>>>>>>> I srill must solve this issue, How can I get OOo to open and save >>>>>>>> files on smb shares? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have installed openoffice-gnome nd gnome-vfs, but still no go? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>> The problem is with Win2003 boxes, Chris. I am the one who tipped >>>>>> about the gnome-vfs that I have had working before. Ooo only opens in >>>>>> read-only on Win2003 shares unless you trick it by using cifs instead >>>>>> of smb or load the gnome-vfs that does not have the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike - I am home on Xmas leave, when I get back in office I will do a >>>>>> proper check on the boxes I have working. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sinclair >>>>> Sinclair, >>>>> >>>>> Here is what I have done, I try with just OOo-2.0.4 running and it >>>>> won't even open the docs, After installing openoffice-gnome, and >>>>> gnome-vfs it will open read only. >>>>> >>>>> I am now also considering that the department wants to mount everyone's >>>>> home directopries on this w2003 server, then they could login from any >>>>> desktop in the department and have the same home. Is this working? Can >>>>> I just add the parent share to fstab and mount it then just link to the >>>>> various users homes? I take it I would have to assign each user account >>>>> on each desktop the same UID, and then set it up to authenticate >>>>> somehow with kde to the appropriate home upon login. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>> Here is the full string for mounting r/w an smb-share on a Win2003 >>>> server (running fine on Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and Edgy 6.10) >>>> Create a file "whatever.sh" with this string >>>> >>>> 'mount -t cifs //server-ipnumber/validservershare /mnt/validmntfolder -o >>>> username=validuseronserver,password=passwordforthatuseronserver,user, >>>> fmask=0111,dmask=0000' >>>> >>>> then make the file executable. Then you have to include it in the users >>>> loginscript by copying it to /etc/init.d and run some command I can't >>>> remember at this moment. >>>> >>>> Alternatively have the user run the script with sudo when they want to >>>> mount their shares. >>>> >>>> Sinclair >>> Is this in your opinion the best and esiest way to share ~home 's so you >>> can login from anywhere in an office? Or would nfs be better? or another >>> better solution? >>> >>> Mike >> From anywhere in the office it is not a good working solution as I see >> it since you have to set up these scripts "everywhere". I would then >> rather go nfs or even simply downgrade the server to W2000 server - if >> that is an option... > Not really an option > >> note the problem is def. Ooo, smb and KDE - in Gnome Ubuntu this is a >> non-existent problem. That is why I thought to gnome vfs might help. I >> had it working at one time but you had to give username/password a >> couple of times extra. > I don't think that would really be a problem. >> I have never managed to mount an smb share on a W2003 server so that Ooo >> can open r/w using fstab etc. Sadly. >> >> So if users are not KDE-addicted you could opt for Gnome Ubuntu instead, >> I am no hardliner myself. > I did get the script to work, but not in ~/.kde/Autostart. I think this is > perhaps because I have tried several times but cannot get the editing sudoers > to work for me, I still have to execute it sudo and enter the password, since > these users are not admin priveledge this will not work. > > I am close but really need to solve this soon... > Well sorry Mike but I have exhausted my own tips/knowledge about this issue. I hope someone else can help you out! Or search ubuntuforums.org / Kubuntuforums.net for a solution. Sinclair From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 15 12:50:12 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:50:12 +0000 Subject: Samba and Windows In-Reply-To: <45AB6F3E.4060508@jimbyers.com> References: <45AB6F3E.4060508@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45AB7884.9090301@blueyonder.co.uk> Jim Byers wrote: > I have had to reinstall Dapper and am trying to setup Samba so XP > Clients can see Dapper server. I can see my Samba server from XP and > see the shared folders, but when I double click XP network workgroup > icon I get a popup login. The first time I set Samba up I had the same > problem and some one told me what to change to allow me to access > server. I will print out and lock up the tip next time. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > You probably need to change "security = USER" to "security = SHARE" in /etc/samba/smb.conf Tez From jim at jimbyers.com Mon Jan 15 12:57:30 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:57:30 -0600 Subject: Samba and Windows In-Reply-To: <45AB7884.9090301@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <45AB6F3E.4060508@jimbyers.com> <45AB7884.9090301@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <45AB7A3A.4000808@jimbyers.com> Tez wrote: > Jim Byers wrote: > >> I have had to reinstall Dapper and am trying to setup Samba so XP >> Clients can see Dapper server. I can see my Samba server from XP and >> see the shared folders, but when I double click XP network workgroup >> icon I get a popup login. The first time I set Samba up I had the same >> problem and some one told me what to change to allow me to access >> server. I will print out and lock up the tip next time. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> >> > You probably need to change "security = USER" to "security = SHARE" in > /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > Tez > Jim wrote: Thanks Tez, that was the change that fixed me last time thanks to you, but as I look at my smb.conf I see that I have made that change already, but still get the popup from XP. Is there something anything else that can be causing that problem? Jim > > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 13:01:05 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:01:05 +0200 Subject: Getting rid of Windows Borders In-Reply-To: <200701141643.29545.mike@depolis.com> References: <880dece00701140346m7e14deb6k35c9f51edd52fd1b@mail.gmail.com> <200701141225.32748.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <200701141643.29545.mike@depolis.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701150501n73930548tabb0e80a472f3218@mail.gmail.com> On 15/01/07, Mike DePolis wrote: > If you can / want to use Beryl, there are some Beryl themes that have no > borders. I think you can maybe turn them off on any of the themes through > the beryl-manager as well. > Beryl looks nice, but I'll not give up KDE. I'm surprised that this connat be configured at the kcontrol level, and must be set individually in each app at runtime. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/how_can_i_be_safe_online.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/eula.html From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 15 13:17:48 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:17:48 +0000 Subject: Samba and Windows In-Reply-To: <45AB7A3A.4000808@jimbyers.com> References: <45AB6F3E.4060508@jimbyers.com> <45AB7884.9090301@blueyonder.co.uk> <45AB7A3A.4000808@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45AB7EFC.9000909@blueyonder.co.uk> Jim Byers wrote: > Tez wrote: > >> Jim Byers wrote: >> >> >>> I have had to reinstall Dapper and am trying to setup Samba so XP >>> Clients can see Dapper server. I can see my Samba server from XP and >>> see the shared folders, but when I double click XP network workgroup >>> icon I get a popup login. The first time I set Samba up I had the same >>> problem and some one told me what to change to allow me to access >>> server. I will print out and lock up the tip next time. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >> You probably need to change "security = USER" to "security = SHARE" in >> /etc/samba/smb.conf >> >> >> Tez >> >> > Jim wrote: > > Thanks Tez, that was the change that fixed me last time thanks to you, > but as I look at my smb.conf I see that I have made that change already, > but still get the popup from XP. Is there something anything else that > can be causing that problem? > > Jim > >> >> > > Did you restart/reload samba after? as long as it's set to "SHARE" it shouldn't ask for a password Tez From jim at jimbyers.com Mon Jan 15 13:28:39 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:28:39 -0600 Subject: Samba and Windows In-Reply-To: <45AB7884.9090301@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <45AB6F3E.4060508@jimbyers.com> <45AB7884.9090301@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <45AB8187.1010806@jimbyers.com> Tez, I have egg on my face: I restarted XP and all is well with Samba. Thanks again. I will save your email should I need it in the future. Jim Tez wrote: > Jim Byers wrote: > >> I have had to reinstall Dapper and am trying to setup Samba so XP >> Clients can see Dapper server. I can see my Samba server from XP and >> see the shared folders, but when I double click XP network workgroup >> icon I get a popup login. The first time I set Samba up I had the same >> problem and some one told me what to change to allow me to access >> server. I will print out and lock up the tip next time. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> >> > You probably need to change "security = USER" to "security = SHARE" in > /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > Tez > > > > From prbasmith at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 15:34:26 2007 From: prbasmith at gmail.com (Preston Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:34:26 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 6.10 install problems - Grub and Wireless Message-ID: <45AB9F02.4040304@gmail.com> Hi folks! I am trying to install Kubuntu from a live CD to an external USB drive. The install process wants to install Grub on the MBR of hda and I would like to install it on the root directory located on the external drive (sda). The installer does not give me the option to make this change. Can someone point me in the right direction please? Also, when using Kubuntu from the live CD, my laptop's wireless system is not activated. I have tried to do so from the wizard without success. How do i go about this? Second wireless point - I have my router set up for WPA2, PSK, TKIP and I see no way of doing so from the wireless wizard. Also I would like to be able to use a pass phrase to get my key. Help please. Thanks Preston From harijs at info-shelter.net Mon Jan 15 15:53:39 2007 From: harijs at info-shelter.net (Harijs Buss) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:53:39 +0200 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <45AB63F6.5080806@yahoo.it> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701142338.09735.harijs@info-shelter.net> <45AB63F6.5080806@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701151753.39794.harijs@info-shelter.net> On Monday 15 January 2007 13:22, Ignazio Palmisano rakstija: > Harijs Buss wrote: > > Probably that can be done from Linux as well. > Once a utility called HDCopy existed, I don't know about its current > status but back then it was a simple DOS executable, cardware license, > and could do lots of strange things like disk copy and disk formatting Yep, thanks, I remember this one :) The trick would be to do such things in Linux. Harijs From brymelvin at melvinart.com Mon Jan 15 15:29:41 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:29:41 -0700 Subject: OOo and smb In-Reply-To: <45AB7800.9010809@gmail.com> References: <200612262119.45904.lists@ptfd.org> <200701041542.47664.lists@ptfd.org> <459DCB0E.8010808@gmail.com> <200701150716.47674.lists@ptfd.org> <45AB7800.9010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168874982.5005.15.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 14:48 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > > I am close but really need to solve this soon... > > > Well sorry Mike but I have exhausted my own tips/knowledge about this > issue. I hope someone else can help you out! Or search ubuntuforums.org > / Kubuntuforums.net for a solution. > > Sinclair > OK on my shop network (graphics shop) I have any number of files/apps that won;t open accross the network in the manner you are doing things. What has worked for me in some cases is putting applications AND homes in the same computer. this could be an application server setup OR if a login. Not sure what would be available to do this. Exactly...just that your batting your head against the wall. Maybe a server setup application server/home Or logging INTO the computer containing homes and apps (server client approach) is going to be more productive . Just a thought. I use this approach but am using macs and linux pcs, not windows so I couldn't give instructions. Ex I'm using Coreldraw for windows on a ppc mac via x and xdcmp. IOW how about a server, thin client solution. shared files AND apps. Brymelvin From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Jan 15 16:34:18 2007 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:34:18 +0000 Subject: MToolsFM In-Reply-To: <200701151753.39794.harijs@info-shelter.net> References: <45A98721.5060202@midmaine.com> <200701142338.09735.harijs@info-shelter.net> <45AB63F6.5080806@yahoo.it> <200701151753.39794.harijs@info-shelter.net> Message-ID: <45ABAD0A.8030004@yahoo.it> Harijs Buss wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 13:22, Ignazio Palmisano rakstija: >> Harijs Buss wrote: >>> Probably that can be done from Linux as well. > >> Once a utility called HDCopy existed, I don't know about its current >> status but back then it was a simple DOS executable, cardware license, >> and could do lots of strange things like disk copy and disk formatting > > Yep, thanks, I remember this one :) The trick would be to do such things in > Linux. What about trying it under wine? I've got no floppy on my linux machine so I cannot try it myself, but could work, I think. I. > > Harijs > -- Ignazio Palmisano Ph.D. Student - ignazio at csc.liv.ac.uk, ignazio_io at {yahoo.it, hotmail.com, skype}, palmisano at di.uniba.it From eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com Mon Jan 15 18:38:54 2007 From: eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com (eslic) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:38:54 +0000 Subject: About mEDUXa Message-ID: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Hi all, mEDUXa's deployment is taking longer than we though. Meanwhile we are fixing some of the major bugs we have found. This delay will make our community project to take the first step behind schedule. By now, you can know what we are doing reading my blog: www.agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com Bye -- Agustín Benito Bethencourt eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com abenito at grupocpd.com www.grupocpd.com www.agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com From jriddell at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 15 18:45:51 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:45:51 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] About mEDUXa In-Reply-To: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> References: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Message-ID: <20070115184550.GP10139@muse.19inch.net> On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:38:54PM +0000, eslic wrote: > Hi all, > > mEDUXa's deployment is taking longer than we though. Meanwhile we are fixing > some of the major bugs we have found. This delay will make our community > project to take the first step behind schedule. > > By now, you can know what we are doing reading my blog: > > www.agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com Very interesting, what was the issue with kdeglobals that caused kmail not to save its settings? You need to remove the www's from that URL for it to work. Jonathan From glgxg at mfire.com Thu Jan 11 19:33:04 2007 From: glgxg at mfire.com (NoOp) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:33:04 -0800 Subject: Mozilla Team In-Reply-To: <45A683F8.5070007@gmail.com> References: <45A683F8.5070007@gmail.com> Message-ID: John Vivirito wrote: > This is an anouncment of a new Ubuntu team that is rising. We are the > Ubuntu-mozillateam. We are here to triage mozilla bugs, and just all > around lighten the load of mozilla related bugs being reported. If you > would like to learn more i will list some links for you to look at and > see if this is a team you would like to join. We are in > #ubuntu-mozillateam on irc.freenode.net to answer any questions you > might have about the team or the bugs we work with. If you feel this > team is for you please feel free to join us on > https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam. Thank you for your time. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership > https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam Excellent! Will your team also work on Seamonkey issues as well? [Followup for this question set to gmane.linux.ubuntu.user] From jim at jimbyers.com Mon Jan 15 19:00:38 2007 From: jim at jimbyers.com (Jim Byers) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:00:38 -0600 Subject: Cups for XP Cients Message-ID: <45ABCF56.1060105@jimbyers.com> In my reinstall journey, I have been unable to get CUPS configured properly. Does anyone have a sample CUPS template that would work with XP clients? Thanks, Jim From jferrando at netplc.com Mon Jan 15 19:06:41 2007 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:06:41 +0100 Subject: Cups for XP Cients In-Reply-To: <45ABCF56.1060105@jimbyers.com> References: <45ABCF56.1060105@jimbyers.com> Message-ID: <45ABD0C1.4000600@netplc.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com Mon Jan 15 19:13:00 2007 From: eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com (eslic) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:13:00 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] About mEDUXa In-Reply-To: <20070115184550.GP10139@muse.19inch.net> References: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> <20070115184550.GP10139@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200701151913.01081.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Hi, ...correcting myself (what a shame). The URL is of course: agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com Answering Jonathan, the point was that we put the [$i] at the beginning of the kdeglobals instead of putting it for bloking each one of the restrictions we configured in the general section. We tried to put the [$i] for the whole General section and we had the same problem. This made kmail not to write user config (folders, account settings, etc.). We concluded with this configuration. This is our kdeglobals: [DesktopIcons][$i] Animated=true Size=48 [General] fixed[$i]=DejaVu Sans Mono,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 font[$i]=DejaVu Sans,11,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 menuFont[$i]=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 taskbarFont[$i]=DejaVu Sans,11,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 toolBarFont[$i]=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 widgetStyle[$i]=lipstik [Global Shortcuts][$i] Popup Launch Menu=default(Alt+F1);Win [KDE][$i] ChangeCursor=true EffectAnimateCombo=true EffectFadeMenu=false EffectFadeTooltip=false EffectsEnabled=true OpaqueResize=true ShowIconsOnPushButtons=true cursorTheme=kubuntu [KDE Action Restrictions][$i] action/bookmarks=false action/configdesktop=false action/font=false action/kwin_rmb=false action/openintab=false #action/openwith=false action/properties=false action/show_dot=false print/properties=false shell_access=true start_new_session=false user/root=true editable_desktop_icons=false [KSpell][$i] KSpell_Client=1 KSpell_Encoding=11 [Paths][$i] Trash=$HOME/Desktop/Papelera/ [PreviewSettings][$i] BoostSize=true MaximumSize=5242880 [WM][$i] activeFont=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0 El Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2007 18:45, Jonathan Riddell escribió: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:38:54PM +0000, eslic wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > mEDUXa's deployment is taking longer than we though. Meanwhile we are > > fixing some of the major bugs we have found. This delay will make our > > community project to take the first step behind schedule. > > > > By now, you can know what we are doing reading my blog: > > > > www.agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com > > Very interesting, what was the issue with kdeglobals that caused kmail > not to save its settings? > > You need to remove the www's from that URL for it to work. > > Jonathan Bye -- Agustín Benito Bethencourt eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com abenito at grupocpd.com www.grupocpd.com www.agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com From eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com Mon Jan 15 19:16:09 2007 From: eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com (eslic) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:16:09 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] About mEDUXa In-Reply-To: <200701151913.01081.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> References: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> <20070115184550.GP10139@muse.19inch.net> <200701151913.01081.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Message-ID: <200701151916.09127.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Hi all, maybe thi shows you better what we did. Bye El Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2007 19:13, eslic escribió: > Hi, > > ...correcting myself (what a shame). The URL is of course: > > agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com > > Answering Jonathan, the point was that we put the [$i] at the beginning of > the kdeglobals instead of putting it for bloking each one of the > restrictions we configured in the general section. We tried to put the [$i] > for the whole General section and we had the same problem. This made kmail > not to write user config (folders, account settings, etc.). We concluded > with this configuration. > > This is our kdeglobals: > > [DesktopIcons][$i] > Animated=true > Size=48 > > [General] > fixed[$i]=DejaVu Sans Mono,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 > font[$i]=DejaVu Sans,11,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 > menuFont[$i]=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 > taskbarFont[$i]=DejaVu Sans,11,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 > toolBarFont[$i]=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 > widgetStyle[$i]=lipstik > > [Global Shortcuts][$i] > Popup Launch Menu=default(Alt+F1);Win > > [KDE][$i] > ChangeCursor=true > EffectAnimateCombo=true > EffectFadeMenu=false > EffectFadeTooltip=false > EffectsEnabled=true > OpaqueResize=true > ShowIconsOnPushButtons=true > cursorTheme=kubuntu > > [KDE Action Restrictions][$i] > action/bookmarks=false > action/configdesktop=false > action/font=false > action/kwin_rmb=false > action/openintab=false > #action/openwith=false > action/properties=false > action/show_dot=false > print/properties=false > shell_access=true > start_new_session=false > user/root=true > editable_desktop_icons=false > > [KSpell][$i] > KSpell_Client=1 > KSpell_Encoding=11 > > [Paths][$i] > Trash=$HOME/Desktop/Papelera/ > > [PreviewSettings][$i] > BoostSize=true > MaximumSize=5242880 > > [WM][$i] > activeFont=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0 > > El Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2007 18:45, Jonathan Riddell escribió: > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:38:54PM +0000, eslic wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > mEDUXa's deployment is taking longer than we though. 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Does anyone have a sample CUPS template that would work with > XP clients? > > Thanks, > > Jim From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 22:32:16 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:32:16 -0600 Subject: Mozilla Team In-Reply-To: References: <45A683F8.5070007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes we will. We aim to work on all Mozilla Products: Camino, Seamonkey, Thunderbird et al. On 1/11/07, NoOp wrote: > > John Vivirito wrote: > > > This is an anouncment of a new Ubuntu team that is rising. We are the > > Ubuntu-mozillateam. We are here to triage mozilla bugs, and just all > > around lighten the load of mozilla related bugs being reported. If you > > would like to learn more i will list some links for you to look at and > > see if this is a team you would like to join. We are in > > #ubuntu-mozillateam on irc.freenode.net to answer any questions you > > might have about the team or the bugs we work with. 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URL: From thomasasta at gmx.net Mon Jan 15 23:14:38 2007 From: thomasasta at gmx.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_M=FCller=22?=) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:14:38 +0100 Subject: installing user kubuntu (help needed) In-Reply-To: <200701151916.09127.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> References: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> <20070115184550.GP10139@muse.19inch.net> <200701151913.01081.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> <200701151916.09127.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Message-ID: <20070115231438.19790@gmx.net> hi I choosed to install ubunto, the philosophy ist quite good. The desctop is much more like windows in k_ubuntu, I think. I installed it over alternate CD and text install, but it paused, because one software package could not be installed, So I choosed to use OEM Modus to isntall, but this process asked not for the username (after text install done) just asked for "password for the new user)... so i cannot start kubuntu, as the passwort to the username is not working., What is then teh username, if OEM is tnot creating one? the one I choosd with text install did not work and should be fortmated. Why is OEM not creating a usersaccoutn?? how can I add another useraccount or recover the username? Thanks for help -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 16 01:02:23 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:02:23 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] About mEDUXa In-Reply-To: <200701151913.01081.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> References: <200701151838.55062.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> <20070115184550.GP10139@muse.19inch.net> <200701151913.01081.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Message-ID: <200701152002.23297.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 15 January 2007 2:13 pm, eslic wrote: > Hi, > > ...correcting myself (what a shame). The URL is of course: > > agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com Now that is just muy extraño seeing a page escrito en English and español at the same vez. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre From iddingdj05 at comcast.net Tue Jan 16 01:03:30 2007 From: iddingdj05 at comcast.net (Donald Iddings) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:03:30 -0500 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45AA60D1.4000308@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <45AA60D1.4000308@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1168909411.6675.8.camel@localhost> thanks all works great, downloaded & installed "kubutu-desktop", logon screen click options & can choose either gnome or kde session & logon, I'll probably sort out which one I prefer eventually? the rest I'll figure out as I go along On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:56 +0000, Tez wrote: > Donald Iddings wrote: > > former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user & > > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? > > > > It's a good strong pc bout 2 years old built it myself, plenty of > > storage space left, 1G of ram, 2.8Ghz cpu so from hrdw perspective can > > more than handle it. > > > > > > > Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same except for the desktop environment they > use, so you can have both installed at the same time. No need to dual boot > The easiest (and recommended) way is to open up Synaptic and install > "kubuntu-desktop". That will install everything you would get in a fresh > Kubuntu install. Once that's done, you'll be able to choose between a > KDE session or a Gnome session at the login screen, either KDM or GDM > (You'll be able to choose which you want to use) > That's all you need for a full Kubuntu install, enjoy :) > > Tez > > > > From turgon at mike-leone.com Tue Jan 16 02:40:26 2007 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:40:26 -0500 Subject: Running Gnome app across the LAN from Windows Message-ID: <45AC3B1A.3080809@mike-leone.com> I have this Gnome app on a Ubuntu 6.06 server that I would like to have available to my Windows clients on my LAN. I don't want to run the Gnome app locally on my Windows hosts; I want to run the app across the LAN, but from Windows XP hosts. How would I do that? We're already SSHing to this server to do CLI work, but now I'd like to be able to access this Gnome app (tinyCA, a way of managing SSL certs) from my Windows boxes. I don't want to dual boot the Windows boxes, or anything like that. Ideally, I'd like to set an icon on the Windows boxes that points to the server and that particular app, just as I would in Windows. I realize that may not be completely feasible. Can anyone point me to some details of what is required, and how? Thanks From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 03:10:52 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:10:52 -0800 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1168909411.6675.8.camel@localhost> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <45AA60D1.4000308@blueyonder.co.uk> <1168909411.6675.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Also try installing xnest and xoo. That will allow you to open a new virtual desktop (like VirtualPC for Mac) of anything from anything. It's really cool. I've gone up to 15 levels of nesting (then I ran out of screen space ; ) On 1/15/07, Donald Iddings wrote: > thanks all works great, downloaded & installed "kubutu-desktop", logon > screen click options & can choose either gnome or kde session & logon, > I'll probably sort out which one I prefer eventually? the rest I'll > figure out as I go along > > On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:56 +0000, Tez wrote: > > Donald Iddings wrote: > > > former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user & > > > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > > > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? > > > > > > It's a good strong pc bout 2 years old built it myself, plenty of > > > storage space left, 1G of ram, 2.8Ghz cpu so from hrdw perspective can > > > more than handle it. > > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same except for the desktop environment they > > use, so you can have both installed at the same time. No need to dual boot > > The easiest (and recommended) way is to open up Synaptic and install > > "kubuntu-desktop". That will install everything you would get in a fresh > > Kubuntu install. Once that's done, you'll be able to choose between a > > KDE session or a Gnome session at the login screen, either KDM or GDM > > (You'll be able to choose which you want to use) > > That's all you need for a full Kubuntu install, enjoy :) > > > > Tez > > > > > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From iddingdj04 at comcast.net Tue Jan 16 03:18:30 2007 From: iddingdj04 at comcast.net (Donald Iddings) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:18:30 -0500 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <1168909411.6675.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701152218.30915.iddingdj04@comcast.net> On Monday 15 January 2007 22:10, Chris Miller wrote: ? tell me more about xnest & zoo > Also try installing xnest and xoo. > > That will allow you to open a new virtual desktop (like VirtualPC for > Mac) of anything from anything. > > It's really cool. I've gone up to 15 levels of nesting (then I ran > out of screen space ; ) > > On 1/15/07, Donald Iddings wrote: > > thanks all works great, downloaded & installed "kubutu-desktop", logon > > screen click options & can choose either gnome or kde session & logon, > > I'll probably sort out which one I prefer eventually? the rest I'll > > figure out as I go along > > > > On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:56 +0000, Tez wrote: > > > Donald Iddings wrote: > > > > former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user > > > > & like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , > > > > can I install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & > > > > Kubuntu? > > > > > > > > It's a good strong pc bout 2 years old built it myself, plenty of > > > > storage space left, 1G of ram, 2.8Ghz cpu so from hrdw perspective > > > > can more than handle it. > > > > > > Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same except for the desktop environment they > > > use, so you can have both installed at the same time. No need to dual > > > boot The easiest (and recommended) way is to open up Synaptic and > > > install "kubuntu-desktop". That will install everything you would get > > > in a fresh Kubuntu install. Once that's done, you'll be able to choose > > > between a KDE session or a Gnome session at the login screen, either > > > KDM or GDM (You'll be able to choose which you want to use) > > > That's all you need for a full Kubuntu install, enjoy :) > > > > > > Tez > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == -- iddingdj04 at comcast.net From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 03:26:06 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:26:06 -0800 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701152218.30915.iddingdj04@comcast.net> References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> <1168909411.6675.8.camel@localhost> <200701152218.30915.iddingdj04@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 1/15/07, Donald Iddings wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 22:10, Chris Miller wrote: > ? tell me more about xnest & zoo If you're logged in under Gnome/KDE and want to use the other, just open Xnest and it'll create a window which will have a new login screen. You can then log in with Gnome or KDE. It "nests" login windows. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 16 03:49:52 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:49:52 -0500 Subject: Running Gnome app across the LAN from Windows In-Reply-To: <45AC3B1A.3080809@mike-leone.com> References: <45AC3B1A.3080809@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <200701152249.53050.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 15 January 2007 9:40 pm, Mike Leone wrote: > I have this Gnome app on a Ubuntu 6.06 server that I would like to have > available to my Windows clients on my LAN. > [...] > How would I do that? We're already SSHing to this server to do CLI work, > but now I'd like to be able to access this Gnome app > [...] > Can anyone point me to some details of what is required, and how? This is really more of a Windows question. You want an X server for Windows with the ability to do ssh X tunnelling. The first search I did returned this: http://www.labf.com/winaxeplus/index.html I can't vouch for it, and have no idea what it costs, but I read far enough down the description page to have the sense it's the sort of thing you're looking for. I think you have to enable X11 over ssh on the server side via /etc/ssh/sshd_conf... Yeah, there's a line in there: X11Forwarding yes The config I'm looking at may be stock Kubuntu, so it may already be enabled. I remember having to turn this on by hand in the past though, so who knows. Anyway, that's the gist of it, and should offer enough to supply you with search terms for further research, if needed. Good luck! -- D. Michael McIntyre From 03taxi at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 05:06:09 2007 From: 03taxi at gmail.com (Michel Daggelinckx) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:06:09 +0100 Subject: Running Gnome app across the LAN from Windows In-Reply-To: <200701152249.53050.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45AC3B1A.3080809@mike-leone.com> <200701152249.53050.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1168923969.7573.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 22:49 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 9:40 pm, Mike Leone wrote: > > I have this Gnome app on a Ubuntu 6.06 server that I would like to have > > available to my Windows clients on my LAN. > > [...] > > How would I do that? We're already SSHing to this server to do CLI work, > > but now I'd like to be able to access this Gnome app > > [...] > > Can anyone point me to some details of what is required, and how? > > This is really more of a Windows question. You want an X server for Windows > with the ability to do ssh X tunnelling. > > The first search I did returned this: > > http://www.labf.com/winaxeplus/index.html > > I can't vouch for it, and have no idea what it costs, but I read far enough > down the description page to have the sense it's the sort of thing you're > looking for. > > I think you have to enable X11 over ssh on the server side > via /etc/ssh/sshd_conf... > > Yeah, there's a line in there: > > X11Forwarding yes > > The config I'm looking at may be stock Kubuntu, so it may already be enabled. > I remember having to turn this on by hand in the past though, so who knows. > > Anyway, that's the gist of it, and should offer enough to supply you with > search terms for further research, if needed. > > Good luck! > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > http://x.cygwin.com/ -- Google: your number one source of not sounding retarded. From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Jan 16 06:26:43 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:26:43 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu Message-ID: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Hi, I would like to modify the menu "System places" (see the attached picture) to include more of the often used places in the system. How do I do that? -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: System places.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14130 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 06:44:18 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:44:18 -0800 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: IIRC, in KDE all of those menus are stored as an XML file. If you could find that file, you could add whatever you could think of in there. On 1/15/07, Donatas G. wrote: > Hi, I would like to modify the menu "System places" (see the attached picture) > to include more of the often used places in the system. How do I do that? > > > -- > Donatas Glodenis > http://dg.lapas.info > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From guido.dom at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 07:56:56 2007 From: guido.dom at gmail.com (guido dom) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:56:56 +0100 Subject: kubuntu - ubuntu Message-ID: Hello I would like to share an experience. I had UBUNTU 6.04 working fine. I "apt-get installe kubuntu-desktop" and everything was OK, except the icons of OpenOffice; they disappeared after 2 seconds. I installed on the same emptied (thanks to RESCUECD") 20 giga drive KUBUNTU (from a magazine cover CD) and all was fine. Especially OpenOffice was OK. I "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and got only one error: "gnome utils" did not install; CRTL C was needed to get going again. Now the funny part: the icons of the two upper bars of OOo disappeared after 2 seconds?????? I downloaded the alternate install CD UBUNTU 6.10, burned it to cd, installed (using the entire drive) and the icons kept in place. Anyone able to explain what happened. -- Tel:+32 (0)58 239804 +32 (0)497 538736 Nog een mooie dag toegewenst. Guido (dompie) Dom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 08:08:56 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:08:56 +0200 Subject: kubuntu - ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701161008.56815.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Now the funny part: the icons of the two upper bars of OOo disappeared > after 2 seconds?????? > Anyone able to explain what happened. What you experienced is perfectly natural, there was code written that would have that exact effect. I kid you not. That code just happens to have a bug :D /d From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Jan 16 08:22:01 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:22:01 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <45AC8B29.2090704@akl.lt> Chris Miller wrote: > IIRC, in KDE all of those menus are stored as an XML file. > > If you could find that file, you could add whatever you could think of in there. > > On 1/15/07, Donatas G. wrote: >> Hi, I would like to modify the menu "System places" (see the attached picture) >> to include more of the often used places in the system. How do I do that? Hi, I cannot find it. Could someone help me? Should it be under /usr/share or perhaps /var ? Donatas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 08:32:17 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:32:17 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45AC8B29.2090704@akl.lt> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45AC8B29.2090704@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Hi, I cannot find it. Could someone help me? Should it be under > /usr/share or perhaps /var ? I have also been looking for it and can't find it at all. I don't see it in ~/.kde either. I am basically grepping around and so far -- nothing. /d From ian at themagictree.co.uk Tue Jan 16 10:52:26 2007 From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:52:26 +0000 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45AC8B29.2090704@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> Donn wrote: >> Hi, I cannot find it. Could someone help me? Should it be under >> /usr/share or perhaps /var ? >> > I have also been looking for it and can't find it at all. I don't see it in > ~/.kde either. I am basically grepping around and so far -- nothing. > > /d > > The menu is formed from .desktop files located in /usr/share/apps/systemview (hardly intuitive!) They are displayed alphabetically top to bottom (so you can be sneaky and give them names to control the ordering). -- Ian From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 11:09:50 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:09:50 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > The menu is formed from .desktop files located in > /usr/share/apps/systemview (hardly intuitive!) Bloody hell! I actually get a feeling of cold panic whenever I have to navigate out of /home - the tree is so complex and so seemingly random. Anyway, thanks for that info! How did you know it was there? I just looked at my console and my grep did find it, but it would have taken a while to locate it in all the results, I used: find /usr -iname "*" -exec grep -Hi "remote places" {} \; :) /d From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Tue Jan 16 11:19:20 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:19:20 -0500 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45ACB4B8.5040404@optonline.net> Donn wrote: >>The menu is formed from .desktop files located in >>/usr/share/apps/systemview (hardly intuitive!) >> >> >Bloody hell! > >I actually get a feeling of cold panic whenever I have to navigate out >of /home - the tree is so complex and so seemingly random. > >Anyway, thanks for that info! How did you know it was there? > >I just looked at my console and my grep did find it, but it would have taken a >while to locate it in all the results, I used: >find /usr -iname "*" -exec grep -Hi "remote places" {} \; >:) > >/d > > > I was watching this thread with interest. I just added some links to that folder, but they still do not appear in the menu from the taskbar. Do I need to edit some text file? (I opened the directory in konq as sudo and then simply created the links via rt-click, gui method.) tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com Tue Jan 16 12:02:15 2007 From: eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com (eslic) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:02:15 +0000 Subject: mEDUXa's apps Message-ID: <200701161202.15492.eslic@ejerciciosresueltos.com> Hi all, here you have an article about mEDUXa: http://www.grupocpd.com/archivos_documentos/info_meduxa/meduxa_project_released/PloneArticle_view at the end of the article we have included two documents with the apps included in mEDUXa. Although it is in spanish, the names are the original ones so you will undestand it. Bye -- Agustín Benito Bethencourt eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com abenito at grupocpd.com www.grupocpd.com www.agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Jan 16 12:02:49 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:02:49 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACB4B8.5040404@optonline.net> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACB4B8.5040404@optonline.net> Message-ID: <45ACBEE9.2070600@akl.lt> > I was watching this thread with interest. > I just added some links to that folder, but they still do not appear in > the menu from the taskbar. > Do I need to edit some text file? (I opened the directory in konq as > sudo and then > simply created the links via rt-click, gui method.) > > tony You have to add desktop files, like the files that are in that folder already. And then you have to restart kicker: so hit Alt+F2 and then run killall kicker ; kicker From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Jan 16 12:09:28 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:09:28 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACBEE9.2070600@akl.lt> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACB4B8.5040404@optonline.net> <45ACBEE9.2070600@akl.lt> Message-ID: <45ACC078.3030200@akl.lt> By the way, to make your menus user specific you can create a folder ~/.kde/share/apps/systemview/ and put all the user specific *.desktop files in there - just tried that! Donatas From ian at themagictree.co.uk Tue Jan 16 12:29:52 2007 From: ian at themagictree.co.uk (Ian Rose) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:29:52 +0000 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACC078.3030200@akl.lt> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACB4B8.5040404@optonline.net> <45ACBEE9.2070600@akl.lt> <45ACC078.3030200@akl.lt> Message-ID: <45ACC540.9000000@themagictree.co.uk> Donatas G. wrote: > By the way, to make your menus user specific you can create a folder > > ~/.kde/share/apps/systemview/ > > and put all the user specific *.desktop files in there - just tried that! > > Donatas > > > Now that's handy - when I first found the system-wide folder (by finding every file named "home"), I couldn't work out how to make it user-specific. Obvious when you point it out! -- Ian From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Jan 16 12:35:30 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:35:30 +0200 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACC540.9000000@themagictree.co.uk> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200701161032.18549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACAE6A.4030108@themagictree.co.uk> <200701161309.50994.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACB4B8.5040404@optonline.net> <45ACBEE9.2070600@akl.lt> <45ACC078.3030200@akl.lt> <45ACC540.9000000@themagictree.co.uk> Message-ID: <45ACC692.7070604@akl.lt> Ian Rose wrote: > Donatas G. wrote: >> By the way, to make your menus user specific you can create a folder >> >> ~/.kde/share/apps/systemview/ >> >> and put all the user specific *.desktop files in there - just tried that! >> >> Donatas >> >> >> > Now that's handy - when I first found the system-wide folder (by finding > every file named "home"), I couldn't work out how to make it > user-specific. Obvious when you point it out! Glad the experiments get us to a more usable desktop. I wonder if it is possible to create another menu besides "system menu" that we have just discussed. I guess Gnome has something like this, called "Drawers" It would also be handy to have a tool to graphically configure such things. Or maybe there is something already that I don't know about yet? Donatas From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 14:43:45 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:43:45 -0500 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACC692.7070604@akl.lt> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45ACC540.9000000@themagictree.co.uk> <45ACC692.7070604@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200701160944.02085.art.alexion@verizon.net> I had removed this menu from kicker a long time ago, and figured I'd have another look while reading this thread. What is the functional difference between this and the bookmarks applet (that allow both local and remote favorites)? On Tuesday 16 January 2007 07:35, Donatas G. wrote: > Ian Rose wrote: > > Donatas G. wrote: > >> By the way, to make your menus user specific you can create a folder > >> > >> ~/.kde/share/apps/systemview/ > >> > >> and put all the user specific *.desktop files in there - just tried > >> that! > >> > >> Donatas > > > > Now that's handy - when I first found the system-wide folder (by finding > > every file named "home"), I couldn't work out how to make it > > user-specific. Obvious when you point it out! > > Glad the experiments get us to a more usable desktop. > > I wonder if it is possible to create another menu besides "system menu" > that we have just discussed. I guess Gnome has something like this, > called "Drawers" > > It would also be handy to have a tool to graphically configure such > things. 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I know a fresh install from the Live CD will reformat my / partition, but is there a way to install the system from the alternate CD without messing up ~, /opt, and /usr/local which are on the same partition? I'd also like to save the installed debs as there are some installed locally with dpkg or checkinstall. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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VNC is not ideal, but it gets the job done quickly, and since the Gnome app will be intermittently used, an easier solution, I think. Thanks for the suggestions, tho. I'll see how well things work out. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 15:07:32 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:07:32 +0200 Subject: Fresh install from alternate CD In-Reply-To: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701161707.32356.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I know a fresh install from the Live CD will reformat my / partition, but > is there a way to install the system from the alternate CD without messing > up ~, /opt, and /usr/local which are on the same partition? I know how you feel. I too dread upgrades. As of now, in 5 years of Linux, I have never managed to upgrade from X to Y once without a lot of pain. In the end I have decided to simply erase and rewind. That said, perhaps rsync can be your friend. Keep home on another partition. Copy /opt there. Copy /usr/local there too. Wipe and install anew, then rsync those directories back. It *should* be able to insert only the files that are *not* there now (i.e. the new install's files). After that you can make spot changes to config files that did not copy across once you understand the new formats (if they have changed at all). Perhaps this will create new problems, but on the whole it should work. HTH /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 15:18:22 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:18:22 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper Message-ID: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi all, I have been wondering about this for a while, thought I would ask. A friend of mine still runs Windows 95. He just installed Firefox 2.0 the other day and it works. No problem. I'm here on Kubuntu Dapper and there's no FF 2.0 in the repos? Why? I downloaded it and can run it, but it mucks-up my extensions, chokes on plugins and crashes randomly. I had similar issues on Fedora 3. I couldn't run FF 1.5. I couldn't run the latest Inkscape (at the time 0.44 I think). So I had to upgrade and I went for Kubuntu. I feel ... rushed ... by this 6 month release cycle and also frustrated as the repos leave me behind. Assuming they do - I assume FF2.0 is out on Edgy/Feisty. What is it about Linux that makes it so fragile about the "generation" of software it can/cannot run? What am I not getting? /d From wheelscribe at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 15:21:35 2007 From: wheelscribe at gmail.com (ben miller) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:21:35 -0600 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <949e5dd60701160721o1ecc0a32p43a39dae62980004@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/07, Donn wrote: > Hi all, > I have been wondering about this for a while, thought I would ask. > A friend of mine still runs Windows 95. He just installed Firefox 2.0 the > other day and it works. No problem. FF 2.0 is available in Edgy, but that doesn't solve your current problem. You can also download the source and compile it. That said, I agree that it's frustrating that more recent software builds aren't available more swiftly. I've no insight into why that is. == ben From oli at aurait.eu Tue Jan 16 16:11:04 2007 From: oli at aurait.eu (Olivier Picquenot) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:11:04 +0100 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45ACF918.8070009@aurait.eu> Donn a écrit : > What is it about Linux that makes it so fragile about the "generation" of > software it can/cannot run? What am I not getting? > The whole point of running a *stable* distribution, like Ubuntu Dapper, is that it includes a fixed set of applications. These programs are supported by ubuntu, they receive security fixes (that are often backported from more recent releases), but they do not change during the lifetime of the distro. That way you know that if your computer works fine today, it'll most probably work fine tomorrow, even if firefox has been security updated 10 times. If you want the latest and greatest software, if you want to always be up to date, I suggest you switch to an unstable distro. Or install the software you need manually (from 3rd party repositories, or by downloading the .tgz on firefox.com). Regards, Olivier Picquenot From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 16:26:09 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: Fresh install from alternate CD In-Reply-To: <200701161707.32356.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701161707.32356.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701161126.10250.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 10:07, Donn wrote: > That said, perhaps rsync can be your friend. Keep home on another > partition. Copy /opt there. Copy /usr/local there too. Wipe and install > anew, then rsync those directories back. It *should* be able to insert only > the files that are *not* there now (i.e. the new install's files). But wouldn't I want to overright the default files that came with the fresh install with the customized versions from my backup? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Two thoughts: First, I installed FF 1.5 in /opt when kubuntu was sill on a much older version. Ran fine. Just had to replace the symlink in the path. It also fixed the autoupdate features built into FF that were disabled with a kubuntu root install. Did you try to install FF 2 in the /usr branch? Second. I think what makes Linux so fussy about upgrades is part of what makes it so stable. It isn't fragile, it is particular about what it will let you install. Another factor is dependencies. When a Linux app needs a particular lib version, it makes it known and requires you install it. Windows apps just include another version of the DLL in the install. This leaves multiple and conflicting versions of particular DLLs on your system, leading to instability and unpredictability. 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If you're afraid of Cygwin/X (I am) you can take a look at Xming http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming A XWindow server for windows, smaller and much more easy to install/configure than Cygwin/X And it's maintained Regards JJL -- http://kubuntu.free.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 16:40:48 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:40:48 +0200 Subject: Fresh install from alternate CD In-Reply-To: <200701161126.10250.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701161707.32356.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161126.10250.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701161840.48834.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > But wouldn't I want to overright the default files that came with the fresh > install with the customized versions from my backup? Bear in mind that I am winging it here... Rsync is my plan for my next "upgrade" (Dapper -> whatever) I would say yes and no. Perhaps some of those files are the same format as they were before, but they might have changed - say from flat to xml. Hard to tell. I would want a list of the files that did *not* get replaced so that I can work through them manually (and hope it's not too long). I am not sure how to get that list. I forsee a combination of rsync and dif in some arcane pipe love :) I might also just backup *all* those files and dump the old ones in and see what happens - perhaps newer applications will see that the config file is old and will complain and start afresh. Not a clean-cut approach, but this stuff never is. I sure want better ideas! /d From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 16:43:39 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:43:39 +0000 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161133.54275.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161133.54275.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Here is some help: See the community documentation. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion It works great. On 1/16/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 10:18, Donn wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have been wondering about this for a while, thought I would ask. > > A friend of mine still runs Windows 95. He just installed Firefox 2.0the > > other day and it works. No problem. > > > > I'm here on Kubuntu Dapper and there's no FF 2.0 in the repos? Why? > > I downloaded it and can run it, but it mucks-up my extensions, chokes on > > plugins and crashes randomly. > > > > What is it about Linux that makes it so fragile about the "generation" > of > > software it can/cannot run? What am I not getting? > > Two thoughts: > > First, I installed FF 1.5 in /opt when kubuntu was sill on a much older > version. Ran fine. Just had to replace the symlink in the path. It also > fixed the autoupdate features built into FF that were disabled with a > kubuntu > root install. Did you try to install FF 2 in the /usr branch? > > Second. I think what makes Linux so fussy about upgrades is part of what > makes > it so stable. It isn't fragile, it is particular about what it will let > you > install. Another factor is dependencies. When a Linux app needs a > particular lib version, it makes it known and requires you install it. > Windows apps just include another version of the DLL in the install. This > leaves multiple and conflicting versions of particular DLLs on your > system, > leading to instability and unpredictability. Makes windows easier to use > (n > terms of installs), but much more unstable. > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it because such huge changes happen in underlying API libraries every time? Is it because there are not enough people to test new binaries on old distros? Maybe a little of both? Is Linux so unpredictable that one cannot release *backwards* ? i.e. FF 2.0 (example) for Ubuntu latest version *and* older? > That way you know that if your computer works fine today, it'll most > probably work fine tomorrow, even if firefox has been security updated > 10 times. Um. Don't know if I agree. A security flaw is a flaw. It's not that the flaw is only potentially harmful for *that* distro. I could be wrong - just trying to understand. /d From lxrules at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 16:51:43 2007 From: lxrules at gmail.com (Scott W. McMikle) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:51:43 -0700 Subject: DHCP Times out Message-ID: <466c171c0701160851x317da09xb3ae4ec34779cac2@mail.gmail.com> I have been unable to find a solution to a problem that I have maintaining a connection to my router. I have Clearwire internet service and that is connected to my Linksys VOIP router. My Kubuntu box is then connected to the Linksys router. When I initially log on, the network connection is good and I am able to access the internet. At some point usually 12 hours or so, I am no longer able to access the internet and my connection to the router is lost. By using the command *dhclient eth0*, the connection is restored. I suspect that my DHCP is timing out and is not renewing. Any suggestions?? I have searched through various forums without finding an answer to my particular problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 16:56:35 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:56:35 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161133.54275.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701161856.35928.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Here is some help: See the community documentation. > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion > It works great. Thx for that, I'll go have a look, but this is about more than any one bit of software. I suffered with Inkscape, wxPython and Firefox (and others too, but they don't stick in my memory). It's a feeling of having to start over again from scratch every 12 months or be totally left behind by new versions of software that I don't like. Just wondering what the reasons are for this reality. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 16:54:19 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:54:19 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161133.54275.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161133.54275.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701161854.20153.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Did you try to install FF 2 in the /usr branch? I ran it from ~/bin/firefox/ would that make it unstable for some reason? > Another factor is dependencies. When a Linux app needs a > particular lib version, it makes it known and requires you install it. > Windows apps just include another version of the DLL in the install. Okay this is getting down to it. So a newer distro would have a *totally* new library (libBlah) that an earlier version would not have and all new software is thus compiled to talk to libBlah. Right, I can see that... but ... why do the API's have to change so often? Why can't libBlah support the old API's too? I don't code C, so these things are a little foreign, but I picture a set of functions and/or classes that can be used by an app, why can't libBlah keep those same names and parameters etc, just add newer ones on for the newer API? > This > leaves multiple and conflicting versions of particular DLLs on your system, > leading to instability and unpredictability. Makes windows easier to use (n > terms of installs), but much more unstable. I am not flaming here -- I really have not found Windows from 2000 onwards to be unstable. It just plain works. I hate it to pieces, don't get me wrong, but I won't ascribe problems to it that I have never experienced. What would be so wrong about having multiple versions of libBlah on a system? /d From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 17:02:10 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:02:10 -0600 Subject: DHCP Times out In-Reply-To: <466c171c0701160851x317da09xb3ae4ec34779cac2@mail.gmail.com> References: <466c171c0701160851x317da09xb3ae4ec34779cac2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: cool! it wasn't the only one experiencing this problem. i posted something similar on the forums about 4 weeks ago, but mine was setting the gateway of my router and would clear the other one...here is the help that i received. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=317721 On 1/16/07, Scott W. McMikle wrote: > > I have been unable to find a solution to a problem that I have maintaining > a connection to my router. I have Clearwire internet service and that is > connected to my Linksys VOIP router. My Kubuntu box is then connected to > the Linksys router. When I initially log on, the network connection is good > and I am able to access the internet. At some point usually 12 hours or so, > I am no longer able to access the internet and my connection to the router > is lost. By using the command *dhclient eth0*, the connection is > restored. I suspect that my DHCP is timing out and is not renewing. Any > suggestions?? I have searched through various forums without finding an > answer to my particular problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Scott > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So a newer distro would have a *totally* > new > library (libBlah) that an earlier version would not have and all new > software > is thus compiled to talk to libBlah. > Right, I can see that... but ... why do the API's have to change so often? > Why > can't libBlah support the old API's too? I don't code C, so these things > are > a little foreign, but I picture a set of functions and/or classes that can > be > used by an app, why can't libBlah keep those same names and parameters > etc, > just add newer ones on for the newer API? > > > This > > leaves multiple and conflicting versions of particular DLLs on your > system, > > leading to instability and unpredictability. Makes windows easier to use > (n > > terms of installs), but much more unstable. > I am not flaming here -- I really have not found Windows from 2000 onwards > to > be unstable. It just plain works. I hate it to pieces, don't get me wrong, > but I won't ascribe problems to it that I have never experienced. > > What would be so wrong about having multiple versions of libBlah on a > system? > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oli at aurait.eu Tue Jan 16 17:07:17 2007 From: oli at aurait.eu (Olivier Picquenot) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:07:17 +0100 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161847.13589.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45ACF918.8070009@aurait.eu> <200701161847.13589.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AD0645.5020909@aurait.eu> Donn a écrit : >> The whole point of running a *stable* distribution, like Ubuntu Dapper, >> is that it includes a fixed set of applications. > I reckon if I was running Edgy (which is unstable, no?) that the versions of software would also hit a cap when it moves out of cycle. i.e. It will be the same as Dapper at some point in the future. Edgy isn't unstable. Debian Sid is , and Grumpy Groundhog will be (as stated on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distribution) ). > But this has not really explained why new versions cannot run on it. Is it because such huge changes happen in underlying API libraries every time? New software versions can run on an older linux, but it might require a little more work, because of underlying libraries changes. >> That way you know that if your computer works fine today, it'll most >> probably work fine tomorrow, even if firefox has been security updated >> 10 times. > Um. Don't know if I agree. A security flaw is a flaw. It's not that the flaw is only potentially harmful for *that* distro. The question is more like this: why do you need a newer version of Firefox ? Isn't the one included in dapper fine ? I know it's fine for me, and if it wasn't , I'd investigate moving to edgy. And I know that having automatic security fixes from ubuntu is important to me. Regards, Olivier Picquenot From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 17:07:59 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:07:59 -0500 Subject: Fresh install from alternate CD In-Reply-To: <200701161840.48834.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701161126.10250.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701161840.48834.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701161208.00680.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 11:40, Donn wrote: > > But wouldn't I want to overright the default files that came with the > > fresh install with the customized versions from my backup? > > Bear in mind that I am winging it here... > > Rsync is my plan for my next "upgrade" (Dapper -> whatever) Oh. I plan on reinstalling Dapper. I just want to fix hal. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By the time Edgy is "stable" -- truly, not just theoretically -- its apps will be as out of date as Dapper's. I chose to stay with Dapper because of LTS. I just wish the LTS meant that there would be more backports. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 1/16/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 11:47, Donn wrote: > > > The whole point of running a *stable* distribution, like Ubuntu > Dapper, > > > is that it includes a fixed set of applications. > > > > I reckon if I was running Edgy (which is unstable, no?) that the > versions > > of software would also hit a cap when it moves out of cycle. i.e. It > will > > be the same as Dapper at some point in the future. > > I'm with you here, Donn. By the time Edgy is "stable" -- truly, not just > theoretically -- its apps will be as out of date as Dapper's. I chose to > stay with Dapper because of LTS. I just wish the LTS meant that there > would > be more backports. > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 17:25:57 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:25:57 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161212.09434.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701161225.58879.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 12:18, Freddy Martinez wrote: > well, there is the dapper-backports repo. Use at your own risk I'd say. No. FF 2. No OpenOffice 2.1. Both among the biggest and most important apps to me. > > On 1/16/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 11:47, Donn wrote: > > > > The whole point of running a *stable* distribution, like Ubuntu > > > > Dapper, > > > > > > is that it includes a fixed set of applications. > > > > > > I reckon if I was running Edgy (which is unstable, no?) that the > > > > versions > > > > > of software would also hit a cap when it moves out of cycle. i.e. It > > > > will > > > > > be the same as Dapper at some point in the future. > > > > I'm with you here, Donn. By the time Edgy is "stable" -- truly, not just > > theoretically -- its apps will be as out of date as Dapper's. I chose to > > stay with Dapper because of LTS. I just wish the LTS meant that there > > would > > be more backports. > > -- > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Art Alexion > > > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > > alarm. Info @ > > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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On 1/16/07, Donn wrote: > > > Now the funny part: the icons of the two upper bars of OOo disappeared > > after 2 seconds?????? > > Anyone able to explain what happened. > What you experienced is perfectly natural, there was code written that > would > have that exact effect. > > I kid you not. > > That code just happens to have a bug :D > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 17:38:32 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:38:32 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161854.20153.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161133.54275.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701161854.20153.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701161238.33499.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 11:54, Donn wrote: > > Did you try to install FF 2 in the /usr branch? > > I ran it from ~/bin/firefox/ would that make it unstable for some reason? Wouldn't think so. Haven't tried it. Should have the same effect as moving it to /opt. I haven't tried it with FF 2, I did it with FF 1.5 when I was on breezy. That worked fine. > > > Another factor is dependencies. When a Linux app needs a > > particular lib version, it makes it known and requires you install it. > > Windows apps just include another version of the DLL in the install. > > Okay this is getting down to it. So a newer distro would have a *totally* > new library (libBlah) that an earlier version would not have and all new > software is thus compiled to talk to libBlah. > Right, I can see that... but ... why do the API's have to change so often? > Why can't libBlah support the old API's too? You have it backwards. It isn't an issue of libBlah supporting older calls, it is a matter of package newappversion requiring calls that are found in libBlah-2, but not in the libBlah-1 that you have. What should work is that libBlah-2 should include the calls found in libBlah-1, and oldapps, buiilt for libBlah-1, should accept libBlah-2 as satisfying a dependency. What often happens with Kubuntu upgrades, though, is that libBlah gets renamed to something like libcoreBlah and the newappversion doesn't see libBlah as a version of libcoreBlah. Among the things that backporters do is make changes to newappversion-backport so that it recognizes these things. Another problem is that entire subsystems may change with new app versions. For instance amarok 1.4 just couldn't be made to run on the kde version that came with breezy because it had changed so fundamentally. > I don't code C, so these > things are a little foreign, but I picture a set of functions and/or > classes that can be used by an app, why can't libBlah keep those same names > and parameters etc, just add newer ones on for the newer API? > > > This > > leaves multiple and conflicting versions of particular DLLs on your > > system, leading to instability and unpredictability. Makes windows easier > > to use (n terms of installs), but much more unstable. > > I am not flaming here -- I really have not found Windows from 2000 onwards > to be unstable. It just plain works. I hate it to pieces, don't get me > wrong, but I won't ascribe problems to it that I have never experienced. > > What would be so wrong about having multiple versions of libBlah on a > system? /d -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 17:42:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:42:34 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <45AD0645.5020909@aurait.eu> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161847.13589.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45AD0645.5020909@aurait.eu> Message-ID: <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 19:07, Olivier Picquenot wrote: > New software versions can run on an older linux, but it might require a > little more work, because of underlying libraries changes. So, the reason that new stuff does not run easily is because what? It's too hard to do? It's too much work? I get the feeling that Linux is steaming forward very quickly and every version seems to throw support for older versions overboard. > The question is more like this: why do you need a newer version of > Firefox ? Why would I want a new version of anything? For new features. For bug fixes. For better performance. Really, it's not a mystery. > Isn't the one included in dapper fine ? I know it's fine for > me, and if it wasn't , I'd investigate moving to edgy. And I know that > having automatic security fixes from ubuntu is important to me. Yes automatic fixes is also important to me. No, I don't see why I must move to a whole new distro (that won't upgrade properly and usually forces me to do a wipe and re-install and then re-customize despite all the talk of leaving /home on another partition) just to be able to use the latest apps. Remember - I'm not flaming. I love Linux. I accept the situation. I am simply trying to understand so that I can explain it to others too! :) /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 17:44:31 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:44:31 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161854.20153.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701161944.31548.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > the best thing to do is not mix libraries. that is why you put it in /opt. Freddy, which part of my post was your reply above referring to? /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 18:02:54 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:02:54 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161238.33499.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161854.20153.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161238.33499.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > You have it backwards. It isn't an issue of libBlah supporting older > calls, it is a matter of package newappversion requiring calls that are > found in libBlah-2, but not in the libBlah-1 that you have. So, it's really a result of the rapid change of Linux apps, this synching problem between libraries and apps? > What should > work is that libBlah-2 should include the calls found in libBlah-1, and > oldapps, buiilt for libBlah-1, should accept libBlah-2 as satisfying a > dependency. My problem is that new apps won't run on old distro's... you have explained that's because the new apps have new demands. Right? > What often happens with Kubuntu upgrades, though, is that libBlah gets > renamed to something like libcoreBlah and the newappversion doesn't see > libBlah as a version of libcoreBlah. Among the things that backporters do > is make changes to newappversion-backport so that it recognizes these > things. Oh, so they have to mess with the source code and re-compile things to meet older library supplies. > Another problem is that entire subsystems may change with new app versions. > For instance amarok 1.4 just couldn't be made to run on the kde version > that came with breezy because it had changed so fundamentally. Wow. Alright. I get the overall impression of a wild, crazy, tazmanian devil ball of whirling software shooting across space. The change is rapid and unpredictable and it's amazing what the distros do to produce working "snapshots" of this mayhem every now and then. What is the reason for the seeming stability (i.e. backwards support) of Windows then? I have read recently (can't find link) about how hard Microsoft has to work to keep backwards compat going. Apparently they even hardcoded special cases into their kernel to run games like Sim City (or The Sims, I forget). So the answer to my question could be exactly this: Microsoft has made it a mission to keep compatibility, but Linux being mostly unpaid and chaotic has no such luxury. Still, seen from the pov of Windows, is it unnatural to want to move to newer version of software you need and use but *not* want to have to face an entire O/S upgrade (with hellish complexity) every time? It seems like a real problem, a catch-22. I know it causes me stress and I'm a 100% Linux user. I had another friend who tried Ubuntu for a while but got so irritated that she could not go to new versions (of FF and Thunderbird) that she gave up. Thx for the info. /d From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Tue Jan 16 17:18:14 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:18:14 +0100 Subject: Running Gnome app across the LAN from Windows In-Reply-To: References: <45AC3B1A.3080809@mike-leone.com> <200701152249.53050.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1168923969.7573.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070116145531.GD8840@localhost> Message-ID: <20070116181814.8abff3da.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:38:22 +0100 JJL wrote: > Hi, > > 2007/1/16, Mike Leone : > > > > Since we already use UltraVNC to control Windows boxes, it's easier to > > just > > install one copy of VNC on the Ubuntu box, than go through a complicated > > configuration of x.cygwin on multiple windows boxes, which I didn't want > > to > > do (and x.cygwin doesn't look to have been updated in well over a year, > > anyway - "We are currently searching for a new maintainer and developers. > > 2005-08-23" ). > > > If you're afraid of Cygwin/X (I am) you can take a look at Xming > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming > A XWindow server for windows, smaller and much more easy to > install/configure than Cygwin/X > And it's maintained > > Regards > JJL Now that was a link I hadn't seen yet....very nice. :-) Might just be the solution I've been looking for i.e. my savvy windows acquaintances have already got cygwin running ....it's the non-savvy ones that I want to grant "easy" access. Hope it's as easy as it looks and that it runs over "ssh". -- Good luck, HarM. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 16 17:43:58 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:43:58 -0400 Subject: Dual Boot Ubuntu & Kubuntu References: <1168788887.29992.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Donald Iddings wrote: > former Mandriva user & more used to the KDE desktop, new Ubuntu user & > like it lots, but wanted to try Kubuntu as uses the KDE desktop , can I > install Kubuntu on the same pc & dual boot between Ubuntu & Kubuntu? > You could, but you wouldn't really want to. Ubuntu/Kubuntu is just a choice of desktop. Install Ubuntu, install kubuntu-desktop, and then choose which desktop to use from the GDM login screen. Conversely, install Kubuntu, install ubuntu-desktop, and choose which desktop to use at the KDM login! Finally, you can do it either way, and choose whether to use KDM/GDM after the fact. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 19:27:59 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:27:59 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161238.33499.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701161428.07394.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 13:02, Donn wrote: > > You have it backwards. It isn't an issue of libBlah supporting older > > calls, it is a matter of package newappversion requiring calls that are > > found in libBlah-2, but not in the libBlah-1 that you have. > > So, it's really a result of the rapid change of Linux apps, this synching > problem between libraries and apps? It happens with Windows as well. Search a windows computer for a common DLL and you'll find many copies of identical and different versions. Improvements mean new versions. > > > What should > > work is that libBlah-2 should include the calls found in libBlah-1, and > > oldapps, buiilt for libBlah-1, should accept libBlah-2 as satisfying a > > dependency. > > My problem is that new apps won't run on old distro's... you have explained > that's because the new apps have new demands. Right? Right. > > > What often happens with Kubuntu upgrades, though, is that libBlah gets > > renamed to something like libcoreBlah and the newappversion doesn't see > > libBlah as a version of libcoreBlah. Among the things that backporters do > > is make changes to newappversion-backport so that it recognizes these > > things. > > Oh, so they have to mess with the source code and re-compile things to meet > older library supplies. Sometimes. Other times it is just adjusting the dependency needs stored in a deb so that apt knows that x need is also satisfied by y lib. > > > Another problem is that entire subsystems may change with new app > > versions. For instance amarok 1.4 just couldn't be made to run on the kde > > version that came with breezy because it had changed so fundamentally. > > Wow. > > Alright. I get the overall impression of a wild, crazy, tazmanian devil > ball of whirling software shooting across space. The change is rapid and > unpredictable and it's amazing what the distros do to produce > working "snapshots" of this mayhem every now and then. > > What is the reason for the seeming stability (i.e. backwards support) of > Windows then? It is a different programming philosophy. You may wish to read the introduction to Eric S. Raymond's book, The Art of Unix Programming". (maybe the "zen" of Unix programming, I lent my copy and never got it back. (It may be on that ebooks site that was mentioned here a week or so ago.) MS committed to backward compatibility with most of Windows. Some say that is why it is so cumbersome compared to Linux (Look at the size of a Linux vs. Windows package that serves a similar need.) Lets take k3b and Nero as an example. Nero is huge in part because it is self contained. I think it is somewhere between 40 and 60 MB. k3b is mere kilobytes. That is because it relies on cdrecord, cdrao, mkisofs, growisofs, etc. In turn other Linux cdrom GUIs can also use cdrecord, cdrao, mkisofs, growisofs, etc., while providing a different interface. Whenever possible, Linux programs strive to separate the interface from the engine, allowing other developers to provide alternative interfaces. Likewise, a gui can use alternative engines. This is a good open source model because it allows expansion of a program and reuse of good code in a new environment. Windows, OTOH, tends to distribute proprietary programs in self contained packages. Everything you need to run the program, other than the OS comes in setup.exe. This makes it easy to install a program and get it to work, but results in many copies and versions of some common components, results in bloat and may result in conflicts. I agree that problems with such conflicts have decreased with w2k, but the programming philosophy is the same. This model is the result of closed source. A program needs to be fully self contained because available components are closed and inaccessible to other programs. In windows you don't have someone maintaining cdrecord.exe so that Nero or Roxio or whatever can use it and concentrate on the GUI instead. Even if you did, Nero would distribute its own version of cdrecord.exe. In Linux where programs like cdrecord are open and used by other programs, you sometimes run into a problem that a gui like k3b version 3.x requires cdrecord 4.y or higher for its features. If your distro provides cdrecord 3.y, then you can't upgrade k3b to 3.x. > I have read recently (can't find link) about how hard Microsoft has to work > to keep backwards compat going. Apparently they even hardcoded special > cases into their kernel to run games like Sim City (or The Sims, I forget). > So the answer to my question could be exactly this: Microsoft has made it a > mission to keep compatibility, but Linux being mostly unpaid and chaotic > has no such luxury. Linux doesn't have much problem with backward compatibility; the problem is with "forward compatibility". And it isn't MS so much as windows software distributors who are responsible for the forward compatibility. If they need something new to make their program work, they include it if they can. If you don't think Windows has the same problem at least in part, try installing iTunes in windows 98. Can't do it because it relies too much on Windows 2000 or greater DRM management. Same with TurboTax. > > Still, seen from the pov of Windows, is it unnatural to want to move to > newer version of software you need and use but *not* want to have to face > an entire O/S upgrade (with hellish complexity) every time? It seems like a > real problem, a catch-22. I know it causes me stress and I'm a 100% Linux > user. I had another friend who tried Ubuntu for a while but got so > irritated that she could not go to new versions (of FF and Thunderbird) > that she gave up. As I said, this is true of windows, albeit to a lesser degree, also. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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The script offers to manually build the modules (kernel modules, from the look of it). So I download the kernel sources for it to find. Then it complains that it can't find the version.h file in the kernel source, which usually means that I haven't built the kernel myself. Correct; I haven't. And I don't want to, if I don't have to. So my question - has anyone gotten the vmware-tools to install in Ubuntu 6.06 LTS? If so, what did you have to do? These are customized mouse and other drivers, which make response times much quicker in the VMware session. You can run without them, but it's not recommended. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 16 22:51:49 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:49 -0500 Subject: Fresh install from alternate CD In-Reply-To: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701160953.06921.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701161751.49793.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 9:53 am, Art Alexion wrote: > As you can see, this is a mature setup honed over time since Warty. I > dread starting over again. I know the feeling. I ran Debian Sid continuously for several years, and I hated to wipe it out and start over. I eventually had one too many horrible dist-upgrades that I couldn't quite untangle, and too many things were broken. Including HAL, actually. So I hosed it in favor of Dapper. > I know a fresh install from the Live CD will reformat my / partition, but > is there a way to install the system from the alternate CD without messing > up ~, /opt, and /usr/local which are on the same partition? So you have /home/opt, /home/usr/local, and so on? If so, then the regular non-alternative live install CD is smart enough to help you avoid hosing that, as long as you DO NOT accept the "automatic" partition option. I forget exactly what you have to click in which order, but I installed Dapper without wiping out my original Debian /home (including /home/usr/local, /home/opt and kin). I also took a copy of /etc and put on /home/etc to mine for lost config files, which was invaluable. > I'd also like to save the installed debs as there are some installed > locally with dpkg or checkinstall. If you don't have the .deb files, you're pretty much screwed. You can take a copy of whatever the installed components are, but hacking the dpkg database so it knows about the packages is fraught with peril. I didn't pull it off. I know a guy who had a commercial interest in being able to retroactively make a package out of something that was installed, and he was not able to come up with any existing utility for that purpose. Nothing is impossible in Linuxdom, but it's probably just easier for you to rebuild that stuff from source. -- D. Michael McIntyre From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 01:10:38 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:10:38 -0600 Subject: DHCP Times out In-Reply-To: <466c171c0701160851x317da09xb3ae4ec34779cac2@mail.gmail.com> References: <466c171c0701160851x317da09xb3ae4ec34779cac2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: did this fix your problem??? On 1/16/07, Scott W. McMikle wrote: > > I have been unable to find a solution to a problem that I have maintaining > a connection to my router. I have Clearwire internet service and that is > connected to my Linksys VOIP router. My Kubuntu box is then connected to > the Linksys router. When I initially log on, the network connection is good > and I am able to access the internet. At some point usually 12 hours or so, > I am no longer able to access the internet and my connection to the router > is lost. By using the command *dhclient eth0*, the connection is > restored. I suspect that my DHCP is timing out and is not renewing. Any > suggestions?? I have searched through various forums without finding an > answer to my particular problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Scott > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 01:45:58 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty Message-ID: <200701161945.58649.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy would also work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From kubuntu at kitterman.com Wed Jan 17 02:01:14 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:01:14 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty Message-ID: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@[70.198.250.8]> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." wrote: >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy would also >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know about the rest. Scott K From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 02:04:12 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:04:12 -0800 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> Message-ID: On 1/16/07, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." > wrote: > >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? > >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy would > also > >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. > > Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know about > the rest. I thought that was accomplished with the "dist-upgrade" command? -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 17 02:11:19 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:11:19 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45AD0645.5020909@aurait.eu> <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 12:42 pm, Donn wrote: > So, the reason that new stuff does not run easily is because what? It's too > hard to do? It's too much work? I think the best way to understand why things are the way they are is to try to build the latest and greatest version of some application from source one time. You get the source, unpack it, configure it, and it fails on some dependency. So you have to go get the source for that dependency. That dependency fails to configure because it requires three other dependencies, and two out of those three dependencies each depend in turn on two more dependencies. At least one of these is going to break binary compatibility with 2/3 of the packages on your system, because some funky library is built in a way that doesn't allow concurrent installations of version X and version Y of the lib, so to install the next version of some dependency five layers down, you've got to rebuild 700 tarballs to keep everything working. That's what they call dependency hell, and for better or worse, it's a cornerstone of how this type of software works. This is what distros are all about. Dealing with all of this stuff for yourself is a real bitch. My approach is that I will try to build the newest version of something I desperately want from source, but if I start running into more than about two dependencies I have to update from source, or especially if I run into some library so new that it doesn't even have a proper build system yet, I pull the plug on the whole misbegotten project at that point. It's usually doomed to fail. I have no idea how any of this relates to the new version of Firefox. It's definitely not anything I can't wait for Feisty to see. -- D. Michael McIntyre From kubuntu at kitterman.com Wed Jan 17 02:21:27 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:21:27 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> Message-ID: <41160-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D338E0@[70.198.250.8]> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:04:12 -0800 "Chris Miller" wrote: >On 1/16/07, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." >> wrote: >> >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? >> >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy would >> also >> >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. >> >> Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know about >> the rest. > >I thought that was accomplished with the "dist-upgrade" command? > The problem is skipping Edgy. Skipping distros is not supported. Scott K From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 17 02:23:06 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:23:06 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701162123.06935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 9:11 pm, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > cornerstone of how this type of software works. This is what distros are > all about. Dealing with all of this stuff for yourself is a real bitch. I'll add that the scenario I outlined was probably based on trying to build Ardour five years ago, and it's probably grossly exaggerated compared with what you're going to find trying to fit the new Firefox or OO.o to Dapper. > I have no idea how any of this relates to the new version of Firefox. It's > definitely not anything I can't wait for Feisty to see. And I will admit ignorance. I thought Feisty was going to be another LTS, but I see not. Well I'll wait for the next LTS then. I juggled Debian Sid for years, and I'm tired of screwing around with broken toys now. Got a drawer full of T-shirts and a cookie, and it just isn't fun anymore. -- D. Michael McIntyre From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 03:05:57 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:05:57 -0600 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@[70.198.250.8]> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@[70.198.250.8]> Message-ID: <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 8:01 pm, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." > > wrote: > >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? > >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy would > > also > > >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. > > Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know about > the rest. I figured as much. How about the rest? Has anyone upgraded from Edgy to Fiesty? Its only in Alpha 2 so I'm not holding much hope that it goes like clockwork, I jut wondered what problems there were. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 03:11:50 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:11:50 -0800 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/16/07, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 8:01 pm, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." > > > > wrote: > > >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? > > >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy would > > > > also > > > > >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. > > > > Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know about > > the rest. > > I figured as much. How about the rest? Has anyone upgraded from Edgy to > Fiesty? Its only in Alpha 2 so I'm not holding much hope that it goes like > clockwork, I jut wondered what problems there were. As a developer (not for any *buntu projects, though) I feel obligated to tell you this: Alpha software is as-yet un-tested software. Testing goes something like: fix compile errors -> alpha test -> beta test -> release to public You're going to have an extremely bumpy ride. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 17 04:28:04 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:28:04 -0500 Subject: Static DNS addresses Message-ID: <200701162328.04828.larryhartman50@bellsouth.net> Two weeks ago I installed several VPN programs in Edgy. After install I lost my internet connection. I traced the issued to not having my DNS addresses registered in the system. I added them via the KDE control panel. Rebooted. Addresses disappeared after reboot. I did not change my router setup. I removed the installed VPN software. I have added the "prepend" line to the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and have remarked out the "new resolve conference" section from the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script file....both according to instructions on the Kubuntu forums. None of these resolved the issue. The problem is not a show-stopper, just a bit annoying. Any tips greatly appreciated. Larry From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 04:41:48 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:41:48 +0000 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: The way I updated to Herd 2 was the same way I always update, change your sources.list to point to Feisty instead of edgy. "dist-upgrade" will not update your system, you need a special command (iirc, kdesu "dist-manager -c" but that's probably wrong and to be used when Feisty is actually released. On 1/17/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > On 1/16/07, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 8:01 pm, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." < > dhcolesj at gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? > > > >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy > would > > > > > > also > > > > > > >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. > > > > > > Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know > about > > > the rest. > > > > I figured as much. How about the rest? Has anyone upgraded from Edgy > to > > Fiesty? Its only in Alpha 2 so I'm not holding much hope that it goes > like > > clockwork, I jut wondered what problems there were. > > As a developer (not for any *buntu projects, though) I feel obligated > to tell you this: > > Alpha software is as-yet un-tested software. Testing goes something like: > > fix compile errors -> alpha test -> beta test -> release to public > > You're going to have an extremely bumpy ride. > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From freddymartinez9 at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 04:49:31 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at gmail.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:49:31 +0000 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701162123.06935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701162123.06935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: installeing things is /opt was refering to the idea of installing FX in ~/usr/bin/firefox. This is a bad idea for several reasons. One it is installed locally and not in a system wide location. Two, installing it in /bin may cause Fx to point to old libraries which causes headaches for people developing Firefox on Ubuntu like the MozillaTeam Three, /opt is the place for things like this. Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard for more information. On 1/17/07, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 9:11 pm, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > cornerstone of how this type of software works. This is what distros > are > > all about. Dealing with all of this stuff for yourself is a real bitch. > > I'll add that the scenario I outlined was probably based on trying to > build > Ardour five years ago, and it's probably grossly exaggerated compared with > what you're going to find trying to fit the new Firefox or OO.o to Dapper. > > > I have no idea how any of this relates to the new version of > Firefox. It's > > definitely not anything I can't wait for Feisty to see. > > And I will admit ignorance. I thought Feisty was going to be another LTS, > but > I see not. Well I'll wait for the next LTS then. I juggled Debian Sid > for > years, and I'm tired of screwing around with broken toys now. Got a > drawer > full of T-shirts and a cookie, and it just isn't fun anymore. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 06:37:17 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:37:17 +0200 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45ADC41D.3080605@gmail.com> Freddy, how about this part of the original posting; > > I figured as much. How about the rest? Has anyone upgraded from > Edgy to > > Fiesty? Its only in Alpha 2 so I'm not holding much hope that it > goes like > > clockwork, I jut wondered what problems there were. > Also curious as to how well it works. Sinclair From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Wed Jan 17 07:33:18 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:33:18 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <45ADC41D.3080605@gmail.com> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <45ADC41D.3080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701170233.19298.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 01:37, O. Sinclair wrote: > Also curious as to how well it works. Well enough to send this email. ;-) From list.dhooge at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 06:04:08 2007 From: list.dhooge at gmail.com (Michel D'HOOGE) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:04:08 +0100 Subject: How to modify "System places" menu In-Reply-To: <45ACC692.7070604@akl.lt> References: <200701160826.43277.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <45ACC540.9000000@themagictree.co.uk> <45ACC692.7070604@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200701170704.15142.list.dhooge@gmail.com> > I wonder if it is possible to create another menu besides "system menu" > that we have just discussed. I guess Gnome has something like this, > called "Drawers" Yes, it is. And this is soooo simple that it took me months to find it! First, you create a folder in your home directory. In my case, it is called "Frequently Used Apps" and uses the icon "package_favourite". Then you drag&drop icons into it. For applications, you can use the applications view of Konqueror (URL: applications:/). To (maybe) save some space or at the very least to benefit from APT upgrade of the .desktop files, be sure to create symbolic links (by drag&dropping with Ctrl+Shift). Finally, drag&drop the folder to kicker and something like a Gnome drawer is created. Cheers -- Michel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 483 bytes Desc: not available URL: From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 17 08:22:16 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:22:16 +0000 Subject: installing vmware-tools in Ubuntu-6.06? In-Reply-To: <20070116195745.GP8840@localhost> References: <20070116195745.GP8840@localhost> Message-ID: <45ADDCB8.7060405@blueyonder.co.uk> Mike Leone wrote: > I have Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed as a VMware guest on my VMware server. And > I'm trying to install the VMware tools. They give you an RPM or a gzipped > source. So I unzipped the source, and ran the perl script. It said it > couldn't recognize my kernel or distribution (even though I saw it unpack > files with ubuntu in the name; I presume my kernel is a slightly later > version of what they expect). The script offers to manually build the > modules (kernel modules, from the look of it). So I download the kernel > sources for it to find. Then it complains that it can't find the version.h > file in the kernel source, which usually means that I haven't built the > kernel myself. > > Correct; I haven't. And I don't want to, if I don't have to. > > So my question - has anyone gotten the vmware-tools to install in Ubuntu > 6.06 LTS? If so, what did you have to do? > > These are customized mouse and other drivers, which make response times much > quicker in the VMware session. You can run without them, but it's not > recommended. > > > All you need to build the modules is the linux-headers package for you kernel, you can just run this from a console/terminal: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) you can also install the linux-headers mata-package for your architecture by: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|awk -F- '{print $3}') that way you will always have the version for your kernel installed. Tez From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 17 09:18:28 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:18:28 -0700 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45AD0645.5020909@aurait.eu> <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1169025508.18219.14.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 21:11 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > You get the source, unpack it, configure it, and it fails on some > dependency. > So you have to go get the source for that dependency. That dependency > fails > to configure because it requires three other dependencies, and two out > of > those three dependencies each depend in turn on two more dependencies. SNIP this is SO true...and unforseen problems arise. To use our equipment (all in ones and photo printers) I have had to compile hplip. It works with the make install but if I use checkinstall it breaks and breaks gutenprint too! We use dapper because of the LTS. We use these machines to work not play. nuisance but I needed it. As we do some web work I decided I better use Firefox2 also. BUT: as we already use wine and crossover for other win32 apps we need rather than install the linux version we simply use the win32 version' FWIW with Realplayer 10 and Windows Media Player 10 (in crossover) this has also solved some other headaches for us. I also have OOo2.1 in a crossover bottle eliminating the need to mess with the dapper distro setup. I DID add a newer version of OOo in linux form in breezy though, and had no big troubles. OH and if you decide to do as I have above you need to add the wine repos to your sources.list. The version of wine for dapper is unable to handle the graphics for firefox win32. bryann From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 10:08:01 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:08:01 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161942.35201.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701171208.01539.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, > You get the source, unpack it, configure it, and it fails on some > dependency. ... you've got to rebuild 700 tarballs to keep everything working. ... That's what they call dependency hell, and for better or worse, it's a cornerstone of how this type of software works. This is what distros are all about. Dealing with all of this stuff for yourself is a real bitch. What would you say the elemental difference is between the above and Windows 2000/XP ? I have written and distributed VB applications in my murky past. I recall having to include a reasonable amount of things like the ocx controls I was using and the runtime libraries (because they were not guaranteed to be installed), but after that I could rely on the GUI to work, I could rely on a rich and varied set of API calls to do any number of fancy things and that would always work from 95 to 2000 to XP. What is it about Linux that changes so radically that these 6 month plateaus in its evolution are effectively quarantined from one another? Do I have a point, or am I really off-base? I only ask to learn, not to complain without end. > My approach is that I will try to build ... but if I start running into more than about two dependencies ... I pull the plug on the whole misbegotten project at that point. It's usually doomed to fail. I have done my share of configure && make && make install and I know what you mean. (I admit, never anything as complex as Rosegarden.) I think the situation is sad. If I want to use the new stuff that developers have killed themselves putting into Rosegarden (for e.g.) -- I might have to upgrade to a whole new distro! And to expect the devs to keep producing binaries which maintain backwards support for every version of every distro is plain impossible. So, it seems to be a treadmill upwards for devs and users alike. This would almost be okay if upgrades worked slicker that cat shit off linoleum but they don't. And one has to keep up with the pace too. I can't upgrade from Dapper (in 2 yrs time) to Irate Iguana because I have F-H to go in-between. > I have no idea how any of this relates to the new version of Firefox. It's > definitely not anything I can't wait for Feisty to see. Well, far as I can tell FF 2 in Dapper ain't gonna happen unless you go out of your way and make some compromises, which I for one am not at all sure I want to make. Thanks for the input. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 10:10:06 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:10:06 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161212.09434.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161847.13589.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161212.09434.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701171210.06419.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'm with you here, Donn. By the time Edgy is "stable" -- truly, not just > theoretically -- its apps will be as out of date as Dapper's. I chose to > stay with Dapper because of LTS. I just wish the LTS meant that there > would be more backports. I think LTS should be called what it is : "Long Term Stagnation"! :D Okay, hold off the flame throwers! I am poking fun, while wondering how wrong I am in my perceptions. /d From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Wed Jan 17 10:09:57 2007 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Rita Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:09:57 +0100 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701171110.04823.schweingruber@pharma-traduction.ch> Am Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 04:11 schrieb Chris Miller: > As a developer (not for any *buntu projects, though) I feel obligated > to tell you this: > > Alpha software is as-yet un-tested software. Testing goes something like: > > fix compile errors -> alpha test -> beta test -> release to public > > You're going to have an extremely bumpy ride. Well, not as bumpy as I expected it to be. Right now I switched to GNOME because I did some mismatch in my KDE desktop with transparency and I can't read my screen (wholly my fault !), but everything works fine for me since 4 days. Of course, you should eventually update your system more often as some packages are hold behind every now and then, but I can work as usual. But of course, don't do this on a productive system unless you like to take risks :-) (Which I definitely do with Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my laptop, running it since Hoary Hedgehog and very often early Alpha versions). My desktop runs Dapper quietly, but this is my "emergency work" machine, I spend 98% of my time on the laptop. Greets, Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 11:00:45 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:00:45 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161428.07394.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161428.07394.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > So, it's really a result of the rapid change of Linux apps, this synching > > problem between libraries and apps? > It happens with Windows as well. Search a windows computer for a common > DLL and you'll find many copies of identical and different versions. > Improvements mean new versions. Yeah, but then why does new software (largely) run on old versions of Windows and not on older versions of Linux, I mean if the same happens on Windows? > > My problem is that new apps won't run on old distro's... you have > > explained that's because the new apps have new demands. Right? > Right. Okay ... These new demands - they are met by new versions of other libraries right? So it's a concerted forward movement along all fronts. Linux is an army marching forwards on all fronts, all the time. Windows lurches forward every few years and fights a rear-guard action to keep that land supported. > > Oh, so they have to mess with the source code and re-compile things to > > meet older library supplies. > Sometimes. Other times it is just adjusting the dependency needs stored in > a deb so that apt knows that x need is also satisfied by y lib. Alright, so a certain amount of stuff can be done to new apps such that they will run on older distros, but it's hard work, time-consuming and only supports a limited number of versions backwards. Right? Windows apps can go backwards because they are like a small army carrying all their kit with them every time. I would say that Linux can't do that because of the radical change along all fronts (all it's various libraries and Gnu tools and other small tools) that leaves an old distro literally stranded in time. (I have seen Klick try this trick, not too successfully but it's a start I guess.) > > What is the reason for the seeming stability (i.e. backwards support) of > > Windows then? > It is a different programming philosophy. You may wish to read the > introduction to Eric S. Raymond's book, The Art of Unix Programming". > (maybe the "zen" of Unix programming, I lent my copy and never got it back. I'll have to go hunting. Is it to do with the "small tools piped together" thing? > MS committed to backward compatibility with most of Windows. Some say that > is why it is so cumbersome compared to Linux (Look at the size of a Linux > vs. Windows package that serves a similar need.) I dunno, after a few apt-gets I am shocked by the number of dependencies that then inflate things to many megabytes. It seems much of a muchness mostly. What's the difference between Nero at 40Mb and K3B at 2Mb (plus cdrecord + cdrao + mkisofs + growiso + Qt + KDE + etc + etc) ? It wouldn't be so bad if those deps didn't change so often. Perhaps there is a cool command-line to find all deps and tot their sizes up. That would be a way to see the facts. I might be totally wrong in my above contention. > Whenever possible, Linux programs strive to separate the interface from the > engine, allowing other developers to provide alternative interfaces. > Likewise, a gui can use alternative engines. Yes and no. The Model View Controller thing is an ideal that all programmers on all platforms should strive towards. Some make it, some don't (I have yet to figure that stuff out!). I think the essential "command line" tool idea becomes quite easy to wrap in a gui, but this is not a result of striving, it's more a result of wanting to make the cli easier to use. > Windows, OTOH, tends to distribute proprietary programs in self contained > packages. Everything you need to run the program, other than the OS comes > in setup.exe. I have distributed VB apps in my time. Linus forgive me, I have sinned :D The thing is that I only had to include the stuff that I knew was not 'out there', like fancy or custom activex controls and then the runtime libs. Other than that I could rely on rock solid, never-changing: 1. APIs 2. GUI functionality 3. Filesystem layout (okay, this one got a bit hairy in places) If the dlls that my app contained were fresher than the ones on the target machine, they would simply *replace* those. Other apps using that same dll would continue to work. No problems - most of the time. Okay - I had to use the latest version of Internet Explorer - that sucked. I didn't include it - I just declared it necessary and left it to the user. > This makes it easy to install a program and get it to work, > but results in many copies and versions of some common components, results > in bloat and may result in conflicts. I may be wrong, but I'm fairly sure from my experience that newer versions of dll's would overwrite (replace) older ones. Perhaps that's what I *thought* was happening but something else did instead. Regardless, with drive space the size it is today, I won't lose much sleep over multiple versions of libBlah if they mean I can run Firefox 2 on Dapper! > same. This model is the result of closed source. A program needs to be > fully self contained because available components are closed and > inaccessible to other programs. I must disagree for my above stated reasons. Again, I could be wrong. Perhaps there is a better system on Windows for keeping track of versions of libraries such that they do not clash and can co-exist. I dunno, I'm winging it here. > In windows you don't have someone maintaining cdrecord.exe so that Nero or > Roxio or whatever can use it and concentrate on the GUI instead. I can't totally agree here either. I used activeX controls that were written and maintained by others. You might be right, but my experience was that whatever I needed there was some solution out there. I never paid for anything, having little money, and so always relied on free solutions -- so they are out there for Windows. > Even if > you did, Nero would distribute its own version of cdrecord.exe. In Linux > where programs like cdrecord are open and used by other programs, you > sometimes run into a problem that a gui like k3b version 3.x requires > cdrecord 4.y or higher for its features. If your distro provides cdrecord > 3.y, then you can't upgrade k3b to 3.x. I see that and I can see how in the mesh of confusing links between packages it is easier to simply focus on going forward. > And it isn't MS so much as windows software > distributors who are responsible for the forward compatibility. If they > need something new to make their program work, they include it if they can. Okay. What are the reasons that Linux distributors cannot do the same such that (for e.g.) Firefox 2 can run on Dapper and Warty? Is this a result of the largely unpaid for, volunteer nature of open source? I suspect it is. It's simply too expensive to keep an app working on distros that have been left frozen in time. (I might be repeating myself, this email is taking too long!) > If you don't think Windows has the same problem at least in part, try > installing iTunes in windows 98. Can't do it because it relies too much on > Windows 2000 or greater DRM management. Same with TurboTax. Sure, I grant that there are exceptions. I bleev that Vista will do a lot of that too. Thanks for the info. /d From gmane at auxbuss.com Wed Jan 17 10:57:58 2007 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:57:58 -0000 Subject: KDE Menu Edit problem Message-ID: I have a habit of creating shortcuts on the desktop while testing, then migrating them to the menu if they prove useful. I can't find a simple way to do this with the KDE Menu. Unlike Windows, with KDE Menu you cannot drag and drop a shortcut directly onto the menu, since the menu will not open when the shortcut is dragged over it. Similarly, if you open KDE Menu Edit, you can't drag and drop items onto the list - in fact, this seems to sends it into a bit of a short nap. Finally, you can't copy and paste an item into the KDE Menu Edit list. So, my question is: Is there a straightforward way to create a KDE Menu item from an existing desktop shortcut/link? -- Cheers, Marc From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 17 11:19:47 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:19:47 +0000 Subject: KDE Menu Edit problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45AE0653.5010707@blueyonder.co.uk> marc wrote: > I have a habit of creating shortcuts on the desktop while testing, then > migrating them to the menu if they prove useful. I can't find a simple > way to do this with the KDE Menu. > > Unlike Windows, with KDE Menu you cannot drag and drop a shortcut > directly onto the menu, since the menu will not open when the shortcut > is dragged over it. > > Similarly, if you open KDE Menu Edit, you can't drag and drop items onto > the list - in fact, this seems to sends it into a bit of a short nap. > > Finally, you can't copy and paste an item into the KDE Menu Edit list. > > So, my question is: Is there a straightforward way to create a KDE Menu > item from an existing desktop shortcut/link? > > You should just be able to copy the link to ~/.kde/share/applnk/ in the subdirectory for the menu you want. For example yo can copy your link to coolapp to ~/.kde/share/applnk/Utilities/ then it would be in the Utilities menu Tez From gmane at auxbuss.com Wed Jan 17 13:42:24 2007 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:42:24 -0000 Subject: KDE Menu Edit problem References: <45AE0653.5010707@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Tez said... > marc wrote: > > I have a habit of creating shortcuts on the desktop while testing, then > > migrating them to the menu if they prove useful. I can't find a simple > > way to do this with the KDE Menu. > > > > Unlike Windows, with KDE Menu you cannot drag and drop a shortcut > > directly onto the menu, since the menu will not open when the shortcut > > is dragged over it. > > > > Similarly, if you open KDE Menu Edit, you can't drag and drop items onto > > the list - in fact, this seems to sends it into a bit of a short nap. > > > > Finally, you can't copy and paste an item into the KDE Menu Edit list. > > > > So, my question is: Is there a straightforward way to create a KDE Menu > > item from an existing desktop shortcut/link? > > > > > You should just be able to copy the link to ~/.kde/share/applnk/ in the > subdirectory for the menu you want. > For example yo can copy your link to coolapp to > ~/.kde/share/applnk/Utilities/ > then it would be in the Utilities menu Thanks, but it doesn't seem to work as I would expect. ~/.kde/share/applnk/ seems to expect .desktop files only. Instead, I tried to copy the links into the command entry in KDE Menu, but these then only work when the appropriate app is added. IOW, file associations are not applied. I'm surprised that there there doesn't appear to be a simply way to do this. Alternatively, is there a replacement for KDE Menu? Preferably, one that supports drag and drop. -- Cheers, Marc From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:08:32 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:08:32 -0600 Subject: File Sharing Issues... Message-ID: has anyone experienced any problems with sharing locking up? Menu > System Settings > Sharing I get in there and click Administrator Mode, enter my password and nothing happens. it shows the "Enable or Disable File Sharing" , but everything else is grayed out so it doesn't let me click on anything. i did notice there were some updates that i applied and it still does the same thing. anyone else have this problem? if so, what's the fix? -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To (maybe) save some space or at > the very least to benefit from APT upgrade of the .desktop files, be sure > to create symbolic links (by drag&dropping with Ctrl+Shift). Finally, > drag&drop the folder to kicker and something like a Gnome drawer is > created. This is great. I rarely use the cumbersome Kmenu, having my most used apps in a top-of-the-screen separate panel and using katapult for everything else. This will allow me to group apps in that panel by purpose, like Internet, Office and Music, by doing a separate folder for each. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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I have to update my system to Herd 2, will do that today and report back. On 1/17/07, Myriam Rita Schweingruber wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 04:11 schrieb Chris Miller: > > > As a developer (not for any *buntu projects, though) I feel obligated > > to tell you this: > > > > Alpha software is as-yet un-tested software. Testing goes something > like: > > > > fix compile errors -> alpha test -> beta test -> release to public > > > > You're going to have an extremely bumpy ride. > > Well, not as bumpy as I expected it to be. Right now I switched to GNOME > because I did some mismatch in my KDE desktop with transparency and I > can't > read my screen (wholly my fault !), but everything works fine for me since > 4 > days. Of course, you should eventually update your system more often as > some > packages are hold behind every now and then, but I can work as usual. > > But of course, don't do this on a productive system unless you like to > take > risks :-) (Which I definitely do with Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my laptop, running > it > since Hoary Hedgehog and very often early Alpha versions). My desktop runs > Dapper quietly, but this is my "emergency work" machine, I spend 98% of my > time on the laptop. > > Greets, Myriam > > -- > Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. 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Michael McIntyre wrote: > At least one of these is going to break binary compatibility with 2/3 of > the packages on your system, because some funky library is built in a way > that doesn't allow concurrent installations of version X and version Y of > the lib, so to install the next version of some dependency five layers > down, you've got to rebuild 700 tarballs to keep everything working. You forgot to mention that sometimes a dependency just won't install because it conflicts with a library or other dependency of other apps already installled. It is not just a matter of finding the dependencies, but also making sure they are compatible with existing software. Unlike apt, RPMs, though binary often presented this problem. The nice thing, Donn, is that the "big apps" like Firefox and OpenOffice, are usually self contained and can be installed in /opt without worrying about dependencies. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael McIntyre wrote: > > At least one of these is going to break binary compatibility with 2/3 of > > the packages on your system, because some funky library is built in a > way > > that doesn't allow concurrent installations of version X and version Y > of > > the lib, so to install the next version of some dependency five layers > > down, you've got to rebuild 700 tarballs to keep everything working. > > You forgot to mention that sometimes a dependency just won't install > because > it conflicts with a library or other dependency of other apps already > installled. It is not just a matter of finding the dependencies, but also > making sure they are compatible with existing software. > > Unlike apt, RPMs, though binary often presented this problem. > > The nice thing, Donn, is that the "big apps" like Firefox and OpenOffice, > are > usually self contained and can be installed in /opt without worrying about > dependencies. > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:37:29 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:37:29 -0600 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701162105.57320.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701170837.29600.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 9:11 pm, Chris Miller wrote: > On 1/16/07, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 January 2007 8:01 pm, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:45:58 -0600 "Howard Coles Jr." > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >Has anyone tried to in-place upgrade yet? > > > >I was wondering if the directions for upgrading from Dapper to Edgy > > > > would > > > > > > also > > > > > > >work for Edgy to Fiesty or Dapper to Fiesty. > > > > > > Dapper to Fiesty directly is definitely not supported. I don't know > > > about the rest. > > > > I figured as much. How about the rest? Has anyone upgraded from Edgy to > > Fiesty? Its only in Alpha 2 so I'm not holding much hope that it goes > > like clockwork, I jut wondered what problems there were. > > As a developer (not for any *buntu projects, though) I feel obligated > to tell you this: > > Alpha software is as-yet un-tested software. Testing goes something like: > > fix compile errors -> alpha test -> beta test -> release to public > > You're going to have an extremely bumpy ride. Yea, I've been there before. That's why I asked "What problems there were" instead of "Are there any problems." I used to run Debian SID as my primary Desktop OS. Believe it or not, it wasn't too bad. Mainly, I think, because of the Debian Dev.'s hang up on stability. Their idea of Alpha would probably be SUSE's idea of Release Candidate 1. =) -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 17 14:38:46 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:38:46 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <1169025508.18219.14.camel@localhost> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1169025508.18219.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701170938.47626.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 04:18, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > I also have OOo2.1 in a crossover bottle eliminating the need to mess > with the dapper distro setup. Totally unnecessary. OOo 2.1 RPMs are easily 'aliened' into debs that install in /opt without any conflicts. The only things you have to do are 1. use the alien --scripts flag when converting the openoffice-core* RPMs, and 2. create symlinks in your path and/or .desktop icons, and 3. optionally change your mimelinks to point to the new version rather than the OOo 2.02. 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From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 17 14:51:17 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:51:17 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701171208.01539.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701171208.01539.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701170951.18616.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 05:08, Donn wrote: > What would you say the elemental difference is between the above and > Windows 2000/XP ? > I have written and distributed VB applications in my murky past. I recall > having to include a reasonable amount of things like the ocx controls I was > using and the runtime libraries (because they were not guaranteed to be > installed), but after that I could rely on the GUI to work, I could rely on > a rich and varied set of API calls to do any number of fancy things and > that would always work from 95 to 2000 to XP. First, because you distributed the ocx controls and didn't rely on the users to have or install them. Second, the way Windows apps search for libraries benefits in this instance only in that they (these days) search in \Program Files\Common Files\ then in the system folder. If you look at \Program Files\Common Files\ you are likely to find lots of copies of the same libraries, sometimes different versions. Before w2k and this hierarchy, conflicting versions of libraries caused frequent windows crashes. Linux, on the other hand, keeps libraries in standard locations where all apps can find them. When needed, because of potential conflicts, you can install non-distro apps in either /usr/local or /opt. Use /opt for totally self-contained apps like Firefox, OpenOffice, Oracle, etc. Use /usr/local for apps that want to use the standard locations for libraries but are not native to your distro. They should the /usr/local tree should resemble your /usr tree with lib, share, bin and other subdirectories. This keeps them from interfering with your distro. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sinclair wrote: > > > Also curious as to how well it works. > > > > Well enough to send this email. ;-) > > That's nice, but what difficulties did you encounter before you could send > that email? :-D > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Freddy Martinez Kubuntu. GNU / Linux for human beings. www.chi.ubuntu-us.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:58:04 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:58:04 -0600 Subject: File Sharing Issues... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i forgot to mention that i'm experiencing this on dapper and edgy. On 1/17/07, Lokeey wrote: > > has anyone experienced any problems with sharing locking up? > > Menu > System Settings > Sharing > > I get in there and click Administrator Mode, enter my password and nothing > happens. it shows the "Enable or Disable File Sharing" , but everything else > is grayed out so it doesn't let me click on anything. > > i did notice there were some updates that i applied and it still does the > same thing. > > anyone else have this problem? if so, what's the fix? > > -- > "I am what I am because of who we all are" -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Wed Jan 17 15:03:12 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:03:12 -0500 Subject: File Sharing Issues... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701171003.13503.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 09:58, Lokeey wrote: > > anyone else have this problem? if so, what's the fix? you may have to install smb and nfs support in adept in order for this to work. You are not on a Mac are you? > > > > -- > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Wed Jan 17 15:08:43 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:08:43 -0500 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <200701170849.39893.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701170233.19298.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <200701170849.39893.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701171008.44150.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 09:49, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > That's nice, but what difficulties did you encounter before you could send > that email? :-D > I was going to say none yet, but I did have trouble trying to use Herd 1 - but then again IME Wind00ze is hard to peel away from the hardware. When I popped the freshly burned Herd 2 Release into the optical drive, it installed fairly simply. I migrated all my account settings from the backup directory and bang! It's mine. Then I did all the apt-gets and adept stuff I like and set it all up nice and pretty for myself and have been enjoying its SHINY Shinyness! Thanx so much n8k99. > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 15:12:12 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:12:12 -0600 Subject: File Sharing Issues... In-Reply-To: <200701171003.13503.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <200701171003.13503.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: hahahaa...no i'm using dapper and edgy...dapper at work, edgy at home. cool! i'll try that...thnx! On 1/17/07, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > > On Wednesday 17 January 2007 09:58, Lokeey wrote: > > > > anyone else have this problem? if so, what's the fix? > you may have to install smb and nfs support in adept in order for this to > work. You are not on a Mac are you? > > > > > > > -- > > > "I am what I am because of who we all are" > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 15:15:03 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:15:03 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701170958.44299.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701170958.44299.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701171715.03782.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > > > So, it's really a result of the rapid change of Linux apps, this > > > > synching problem between libraries and apps? > > > It happens with Windows as well. Search a windows computer for a > > > common DLL and you'll find many copies of identical and different > > > versions. Improvements mean new versions. > > Yeah, but then why does new software (largely) run on old versions of > > Windows and not on older versions of Linux, I mean if the same happens on > > Windows? > Donn, from some of your posts on other topics, I can tell that you are more > sophisticated than this. People try to answer your questions and explain > this to you and after getting answers you revert to your older questions > that people already answered. I think you are perhaps trying to tease us? No - I was confused by your wording. Please don't construe my queries as trolling. I have not behaved like one. If I don't understand something, then I must ask it again, surely? I understood you to be saying that old libraries also remain on Linux and thus I was wondering why new apps (on old distros) could not also have their (newer) versions of the lib they need on the system. Since then you have talked more about \Program Files\Common Files\ on Windows and I am starting to get a better picture. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 15:20:51 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:20:51 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701170951.18616.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171208.01539.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701170951.18616.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701171720.52362.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Okay - I get it on the whole, just a few more things, keep your cool now. :) > First, because you distributed the ocx controls and didn't rely on the > users to have or install them. I meant that they are no different to me distributing custom-made class files in a wxPython app on Linux - i.e. they are integral to the app, but not to the O/S. > Second, the way Windows apps search for > libraries benefits in this instance only in that they (these days) search > in \Program Files\Common Files\ then in the system > folder. If you look at \Program Files\Common Files\ you are likely to find > lots of copies of the same libraries, sometimes different versions. Before > w2k and this hierarchy, conflicting versions of libraries caused frequent > windows crashes. So, Windows has a clever way to allow apps to search for the libs they need while Linux has only one copy of the libs and no way for apps to look for others. Yeah? If so then I would hope that some way is found to imitate the search-for-libs thing Windows does, as this would mean distros can have lives > 6 to 12 months! > Use /opt for totally self-contained apps like Firefox, OpenOffice, Oracle, > etc. Right - got ya. Thanks. I'm going to assume it's no diff to using a dir in my home folder. Totally enclosed either way. > Use /usr/local for apps that want to use the standard locations for > libraries but are not native to your distro. They should the /usr/local > tree should resemble your /usr tree with lib, share, bin and other > subdirectories. This keeps them from interfering with your distro. This one has me a little confused. I confess I have never been really been 'at home' with /usr/local. What would the diff be between an app in /usr/local and one in /opt ? I mean that app can still think of /opt as it's root and find /opt/bin and /opt/share etc. No? /d From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Wed Jan 17 15:34:59 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:34:59 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701171720.52362.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701170951.18616.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701171720.52362.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701171035.00419.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 10:20, Donn wrote: > > So, Windows has a clever way to allow apps to search for the libs they need > while Linux has only one copy of the libs and no way for apps to look for > others. Yeah? > More like brute force - when you install a windows program on windows - they bring all the libraries with them -even if two or more programs use the exact same library. On linux there is an attempt to prevent replicating library structures by having multiple instances of the same library. From rbmorse at comcast.net Wed Jan 17 15:36:32 2007 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:36:32 -0700 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <45ADC41D.3080605@gmail.com> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <45ADC41D.3080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701170836.32729.rbmorse@comcast.net> I did it just before Herd 1...it mostly worked, but I ended up saving personal data and wiping/reinstalling from the Herd 1 CD when it became available because I was having a host of niggling little problems. Things were much better after the CD install, and I've been on apt-get dist-upgrade since (Adept updater is currently broken). All this on vanilla Intel hardware with the x86-generic kernel. In fact, Feisty is at a really interesting stage of development right now and there is _a lot_ of brokenness to savor and enjoy. One of the main things going in right now is the migration to Python 2.5 and that means a lot of redoing KDE and KDE applications. Also, things like Open Office were killed for awhile, but I think that one's been sorted. Today's update has a new flashplayer non-free package that totally and absolutely killed Firefox on one of my machines but not the other, so I'm still working on that one. Ron Morse. On Tuesday 16 January 2007 23:37, O. Sinclair wrote: > Freddy, how about this part of the original posting; > > > > I figured as much. How about the rest? Has anyone > > > upgraded from > > > > Edgy to > > > > > Fiesty? Its only in Alpha 2 so I'm not holding much hope > > > that it > > > > goes like > > > > > clockwork, I jut wondered what problems there were. > > Also curious as to how well it works. > > Sinclair From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 17 15:41:04 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:41:04 -0700 Subject: HPLIP checkinstal vs makeinstall was,Re: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701170933.13229.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1169025508.18219.14.camel@localhost> <200701170933.13229.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1169048465.4999.13.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 09:33 -0500, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 17 January 2007 04:18, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > > It works > > with the make install but if I use checkinstall it breaks and breaks > > gutenprint too! > > I thought checkinstall just called 'make install', rather than trying to > reinvent that wheel. Am I wrong? ah yes but here's what happens I have other printing libraries foomatic gimprint gets installed as part of Ubuntu/Kubuntu. the checkinstall makes fine but fails to install the debian saying it can't overwrite some foomatic files. If I remove the offending files and checkinstall nothing works.??? It somehow breaks (k)ubuntu printing entirely. as using make install alone as per instructions IN HPILP for dapper everything works. At least for my scanning printing cameras etc (which are all hp) segue point: I haven;t gotten the latest gutenprint to compile in 606 so printing from GIMP is still a total nuisance. (outdated drivers incompatible with HP printers >= to the Gimp 1.2 era. ( anything hi res) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 15:51:44 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:51:44 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701171035.00419.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171720.52362.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171035.00419.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701171751.44499.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > So, Windows has a clever way to allow apps to search for the libs they > > need while Linux has only one copy of the libs and no way for apps to > > look for others. Yeah? > > > > More like brute force - when you install a windows program on windows - > they bring all the libraries with them -even if two or more programs use > the exact same library. On linux there is an attempt to prevent replicating > library structures by having multiple instances of the same library. Nathan, without being called a Troll or flaming or anything - could I ask some more about this? If so, read on. Else quit now! :) I am wondering if this ability of Windows (to have multiple versions of a thing (call it libBlah.dll) without them overwriting each other and such that apps can find the ones they need) -- is this the main mechanism for what we see happening when things like Firefox2 can run on Windows 98? (I understand that FF for Windows will come with all those libs again, but I am thinking that this would not be a bad option on Linux too. I also understand that FF is a bad example cos it comes pretty much standalone. I am recalling my own hassles with wxPython and Inkscape and a few others. The main thing driving this thread is the feeling of "pressure" one has about staying on a distro for more than a year.) I don't propose to solve the problem, only to try and understand it. I am pretty sure to the above question must be 'yes' - given the things Art Alexion has been telling me. /d From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 17 15:50:55 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:50:55 -0700 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701170938.47626.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162111.20069.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1169025508.18219.14.camel@localhost> <200701170938.47626.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1169049056.4999.20.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 09:38 -0500, Art Alexion wrote: > This way you have a native OOo without the translation layer of > wine/crossover. > -- Sure I would assume this to be the case. I did this on breezy with OOo 2 However doing it this way I had rapidly available 2.1 without any Risk or trial on production machines, if it did't work I simply could simply delete the bottle. A side benefit is also allows me to use OOo via OLE with Corel Draw and Serif Publisher instead of MS WORD if I desire. Bryann From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 17 16:19:29 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:19:29 -0500 Subject: HPLIP checkinstal vs makeinstall was,Re: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <1169048465.4999.13.camel@localhost> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701170933.13229.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1169048465.4999.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701171119.30939.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 10:41, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > I haven;t gotten the latest gutenprint to compile in 606 > so printing from GIMP is still a total nuisance. (outdated drivers > incompatible with HP printers >= to the Gimp 1.2 era. > ( anything hi res) At your advice in a previous thread, I installed gutenprint as the default driver for kprinter. I had already installed it for the gimp. Everything works fine. I use Epson, not HP, though, if that makes a difference. In case it is in some other repo, I can send you my sources.list. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you look at \Program Files\Common Files\ you are likely to > > find lots of copies of the same libraries, sometimes different versions. > > Before w2k and this hierarchy, conflicting versions of libraries caused > > frequent windows crashes. > > So, Windows has a clever way to allow apps to search for the libs they need > while Linux has only one copy of the libs and no way for apps to look for > others. Yeah? No. Windows apps shearch their own sub-folder of the Program Files\Common Files hierarchy. Then, if they don't find it there, they search the \winnt and \winnt\system folders. There is always a danger, if they don't find it in Program Files\Common Files\ that they will find the wrong version in \winnt\*, leading to problems. > > If so then I would hope that some way is found to imitate the > search-for-libs thing Windows does, as this would mean distros can have > lives > 6 to 12 months! > No. This would be contrary to Linux/open source model of software components. Windows has to do it that way because most of the software that runs on it is proprietary. This is not a good thing. It is a way that relies on cheap ram and hard disc space rather than good design. > > > Use /opt for totally self-contained apps like Firefox, OpenOffice, > > Oracle, etc. > > Right - got ya. Thanks. I'm going to assume it's no diff to using a dir in > my home folder. Totally enclosed either way. > > > Use /usr/local for apps that want to use the standard locations for > > libraries but are not native to your distro. They should the /usr/local > > tree should resemble your /usr tree with lib, share, bin and other > > subdirectories. This keeps them from interfering with your distro. > > This one has me a little confused. I confess I have never been really been > 'at home' with /usr/local. What would the diff be between an app in > /usr/local and one in /opt ? I mean that app can still think of /opt as > it's root and find /opt/bin and /opt/share etc. No? Let me repeat: > > Use /opt for totally self-contained apps like Firefox, OpenOffice, > > Oracle, etc. > > > Use /usr/local for apps that want to use the standard locations for > > libraries but are not native to your distro. They should the /usr/local > > tree should resemble your /usr tree with lib, share, bin and other > > subdirectories. This keeps them from interfering with your distro. > -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ed.lau at mail.ee Wed Jan 17 16:33:04 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:33:04 +0200 Subject: installing vmware-tools in Ubuntu-6.06? In-Reply-To: <20070116195745.GP8840@localhost> References: <20070116195745.GP8840@localhost> Message-ID: <45AE4FC0.2040505@mail.ee> > I have Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed as a VMware guest on my VMware server. And > I'm trying to install the VMware tools. They give you an RPM or a gzipped > source. So I unzipped the source, and ran the perl script. It said it > couldn't recognize my kernel or distribution (even though I saw it unpack > files with ubuntu in the name; I presume my kernel is a slightly later > version of what they expect). The script offers to manually build the > modules (kernel modules, from the look of it). So I download the kernel > sources for it to find. Then it complains that it can't find the version.h > file in the kernel source, which usually means that I haven't built the > kernel myself. > > Correct; I haven't. And I don't want to, if I don't have to. > > So my question - has anyone gotten the vmware-tools to install in Ubuntu > 6.06 LTS? If so, what did you have to do? I installed: 1) sudo apt-get install make (UNIX make command to compile) 2) sudo apt-get install gcc GNU C Compiler to compile kernel modules 3) sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) 4) a - commercial, b - freeware (current stable versions) a) tar -zxvf VMware-workstation-5.5.3-34685.tar.gz b) tar -zxvf VMware-server-1.0.0-28343.tar.gz 5) sudo ./vmware_install.pl 6) agreed all default settings and after some installation voila! - it worked! 7) I also used this command for configuring dynamic linker run-time bindings: sudo ldconfig ... or do restart but this is not necessary. I used VM Ware 5.5.3 commercial licence, I bought to my organization. OS: Kubuntu 6.06 LTS with KDE 3.5.5 from kubuntu.org and universe/multiverse repositories enabled and frequently updated (using crontab). Best Regards, Edmund Laugasson Rapla, Estonia From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 17 16:38:39 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:38:39 -0700 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161428.07394.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:00 +0200, Donn wrote: cc basically dll hell :D we ran into this badly with w98 (new dlls killing needed apps and hardware compatibility with UMAX equipment) That's the point that we quit using windows but linux wasn't mature enough for us yet. We reverted to OS/2 where we could use easily multiple versions of dll using libpathstrict.libpathstrict in OS/2 let different versions of the same name dll be loaded into memory at the same time.If you are interested in looking at this in practical application look at http://melvinart.com/os2/mozilla Of course in OS/2 we could also run win32 via ODIN (wine relative) win16 and x11 apps via emx and xfree86 all at the same time. Java was also integrated into OS/2. This actually worked well for us until we couldn't get OOo 2 to function in ODIn wrapper and IBM pulled the plug 13 months ago. By then though we had started moving most things to x11 and complete migration to Linux plus wine/crossover was transparent to most users as we were already using a Gnome/KDE . I don't think WIN NT ,2000 maintained the libpathstrict capability although they are also partially descended from OS/2. Windows apps will let a newer version of the dll be in the app's directory OR in a system directory in the path. Problem is they DO (AFAIK)inherit the OS/2 characteristic of using the version of the same name dll that is in memory. So windows will work sometimes or crash sometimes depending which app is called first. In linux or any x11 application the cure for this is actually static built libraries which make a heavier installation. But other than Opera I haven't seen many apps that have used this recently for available versions.(for Ubuntu) I don't know a cure for dll hell in windows. Oh yes I do; linux + Crossover :-) Bryann From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 16:47:08 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:47:08 -0600 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <200701170836.32729.rbmorse@comcast.net> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <45ADC41D.3080605@gmail.com> <200701170836.32729.rbmorse@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200701171047.09055.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 9:36 am, Ron Morse wrote: > I did it just before Herd 1...it mostly worked, but I ended up saving > personal data and wiping/reinstalling from the Herd 1 CD when it > became available because I was having a host of niggling little > problems. Things were much better after the CD install, and I've > been on apt-get dist-upgrade since (Adept updater is currently > broken). All this on vanilla Intel hardware with the x86-generic > kernel. > > In fact, Feisty is at a really interesting stage of development right > now and there is _a lot_ of brokenness to savor and enjoy. One of the > main things going in right now is the migration to Python 2.5 and > that means a lot of redoing KDE and KDE applications. Also, things > like Open Office were killed for awhile, but I think that one's been > sorted. > > Today's update has a new flashplayer non-free package that totally and > absolutely killed Firefox on one of my machines but not the other, so > I'm still working on that one. Thanks, this is the kind of stuff I was looking for, but from someone who had upgraded from Edgy. It does answer some of my question anyway. I'm thinking about making the jump, I just wanted to know what I was getting myself into. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 17 16:48:02 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:48:02 -0700 Subject: HPLIP checkinstal vs makeinstall was,Re: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701171119.30939.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701170933.13229.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1169048465.4999.13.camel@localhost> <200701171119.30939.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1169052483.4999.58.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 11:19 -0500, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 17 January 2007 10:41, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > > I haven;t gotten the latest gutenprint to compile in 606 > > so printing from GIMP is still a total nuisance. (outdated drivers > > incompatible with HP printers >= to the Gimp 1.2 era. > > ( anything hi res) > > At your advice in a previous thread, I installed gutenprint as the default > driver for kprinter. I had already installed it for the gimp. Everything > works fine. I use Epson, not HP, though, if that makes a difference. In > case it is in some other repo, I can send you my sources.list. > yep it works...glad i gave that advice :-) doesn't work for me however on th pcs as I need hp AIO support for scanning present in HPLIP but not in Gutenprint. and I result in a conflict between the two. I tried compiling a custom version of Gutenprint to avoid this but haven;t got that to work out yet, I do use this on the powerpcs however as HPLIP scanning is broken there anyway. But thanks for the reminder and no I don't have alzheimers yet....I just never mentioned MY probs as you ARE using Epson. Wouldn,t apply. Bryann From ed.lau at mail.ee Wed Jan 17 17:00:28 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:00:28 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161428.07394.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45AE562C.2060203@mail.ee> You could try this script to install newest Firefox into your PC: http://pingviin.org/download.php?id=48 Best Regards, Edmund From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 17 16:37:22 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:37:22 -0800 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701170958.44299.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701171715.03782.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87hcupd2yl.fsf@fjellstad.org> Donn writes: > I understood you to be saying that old libraries also remain on Linux > and thus I was wondering why new apps (on old distros) could not also > have their (newer) versions of the lib they need on the system. They could, if someone sit down and create a package with necessary dependiencies, making sure it doesn't clash with anything already installed. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 17:33:18 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:33:18 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701171131.12512.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171720.52362.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171131.12512.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701171933.19352.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Thanks for your insights. I can't say that I have really satisfied my curiosity, perhaps our styles are too different. > Let me repeat: > > > They should the ... It was this wording that threw me, but thanks for repeating it. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 18:08:21 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:08:21 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701172008.22026.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Of course in OS/2 we could also run win32 via ODIN (wine relative) win16 > and x11 apps via emx and xfree86 all at the same time. Java was also > integrated into OS/2. Wow - I never knew all that about OS/2. Pity it was yanked. Thanks for the other info about ilbpathstrict. /d From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 17 17:13:29 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:13:29 -0800 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171720.52362.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171035.00419.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <200701171751.44499.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87d55dd1ae.fsf@fjellstad.org> Donn writes: > I am wondering if this ability of Windows (to have multiple versions > of a thing (call it libBlah.dll) without them overwriting each other > and such that apps can find the ones they need) -- is this the main > mechanism for what we see happening when things like Firefox2 can run > on Windows 98? Linux (and Unix in general) can have multiple versions of the same libraries installed. As long as the given application is tagged with the version it needs, the right library version will be loaded. So, no. Question: Where does the firefox package for Windows come from? Microsoft or Mozilla? Where does the firefox package for (k)Ubuntu (that you have installed) come from? (k)Ubuntu or Mozilla? I bet if you take the firefox package from Mozilla and install it on your Dapper system, it will work. Just like if you take the firefox package from Mozill and install the Windows version on a Win98, it will probably also just work. So the mozilla people have created a generic package for Linux that will run on probably all Linux distros out there. But that's not what you are asking for, is it? You probably want the firefox version that is packaged by the Ubuntu people (as in, customized for the distro) So the question is, why doesn't the Ubuntu (and Debian and RedHat and SuSe etc etc) create a package for firefox for their old distros. Of course, you want firefox (with all the plugins working, so they have to be repackaged too), and another person might need OpenOffice, and yet another version want amarok, krita, emacs, gimp, kernel etc etc At what point does the changes to Dapper become the same as Dapper+1? Where do you think the developers should focus their energy on? Note, all those packages with new version have already been released and tested (in Dapper+1). Basically, the problem, IMO, comes down to two factors: technical and manpower. Technically, some programs just won't install in older distros because the changes are too much (say newer KDE or GNOME apps might have dependencies on later functionality not available). Other programs might be able to run fine. Which lead to problem number two. Limited manpower, means that the developer can choose to work on getting the later distro out the door or keep working on keeping older distros up-to-date. Note, the Debian (and Ubuntu) people have a mechanism in place to put newer programs in old distros. It's called backports (http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page). You can request for an application to be backported, and if the technical issue is not there and they have the manpower, the application might be backported. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From johndecarlo at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 18:46:43 2007 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:46:43 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0701171046p6631bc19vdab57643c59e9a63@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/07, Donn wrote: > > I'm here on Kubuntu Dapper and there's no FF 2.0 in the repos? Why? > I downloaded it and can run it, but it mucks-up my extensions, chokes on > plugins and crashes randomly. I think this issue has been discussed to death, more or less (see below). > What is it about Linux that makes it so fragile about the "generation" of > software it can/cannot run? What am I not getting? Here is how I see it: 1) Distro makers love to tinker and have their own ideas about how software should run. So they make changes to the software. Some people can understand why. I can not. 2) Because they have made changes to the software, you have to wait for them to make the same or similar changes to any updates. If you use the repository/repositories from their distro. 3) What do I do? I pick some of my favorite / important software packages (at least Firefox and Thunderbird) and uninstall the Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Debian/SimplyMepis version. Then I download from the official site and install. Works great! Then I can update any way I want, including turning on automatic updates. And if an extension doesn't work, I can check with other Firefox or Thunderbird users, because I have the same version they do, and the problem will get fixed faster. If my problem with the extension is caused by my distro packager, forget about it. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbmorse at comcast.net Wed Jan 17 18:58:43 2007 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:58:43 -0700 Subject: Upgrade to Fiesty In-Reply-To: <200701171047.09055.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <141154-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C1D333FF@70.198.250.8> <200701170836.32729.rbmorse@comcast.net> <200701171047.09055.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701171158.43182.rbmorse@comcast.net> I'm sorry. I did the update from Edgy. Should have be more clear. What I would recommend right now is to start with a clean install of Herd 2 into an empty partition, leaving your existing Edgy installation intact. Then, copy over all the stuff from the /home in your existing Edgy into /home in the Feisty partition. Once that is set and running, you can decide if you want to keep the Edgy install or reclaim the disk space. Keep Fesity current with apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade (until they get Adept Updater fixed...after which you can use that). I personally would not recommend using Feisty as your main/only operating system because you can't predict when things are going to get even more interesting than they are now. The developers keep promising to deliver things that will be really spectacular if they work and go thermonuclear if they don't between now and Beta1. RBM On Wednesday 17 January 2007 09:47, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > Thanks, this is the kind of stuff I was looking for, but from > someone who had upgraded from Edgy. It does answer some of my > question anyway. I'm thinking about making the jump, I just wanted > to know what I was getting myself into. > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 17 19:00:10 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:00:10 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701171400.32962.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 11:38, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > In linux or any x11 application the cure for this is actually static > built libraries which make a heavier installation. But other than Opera > I haven't seen many apps that have used this recently for available > versions.(for Ubuntu) Some developers offer two versions of a package, one with static libraries that is much larger. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The best part is that it is free, www.getsvs.com for more information From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:10:29 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:10:29 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0701171046p6631bc19vdab57643c59e9a63@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <3dde113c0701171046p6631bc19vdab57643c59e9a63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701172310.29965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I think this issue has been discussed to death, more or less (see below). I'm getting that distinct feeling :D > 1) Distro makers love to tinker and have their own ideas about how > software should run. So they make changes to the software. Some people > can understand why. I can not. Given my ignorance about the details of the issue, I must agree with this. I have also got a feeling there are other reasons. Perhaps the time and money and focus that went into Windows really *is* something that Linux must still catch up with. I know it sounds radical, but why else should such a rapid rate of change be there. > 3) What do I do? I pick some of my favorite / important software packages > (at least Firefox and Thunderbird) and uninstall the > Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Debian/SimplyMepis version. Then I download from the > official site and install. Works great! Then I can update any way I want, > including turning on automatic updates. And if an extension doesn't work, > I can check with other Firefox or Thunderbird users, because I have the > same version they do, and the problem will get fixed faster. If my problem > with the extension is caused by my distro packager, forget about it. That's fine for those apps that bother to include all (most) the stuff needed to run. I had specific trouble with Inkscape an wxPython in Fedora 3 that forced me to have to move up -- so I came to Kubuntu Dapper. Anyway, I think this has been flagellated to a creamy death with a soggy brussel sprout now. Gnu/Linux is what it is and we all gotta do what we gotta do. :D /d From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 17 20:26:32 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:26:32 -0800 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701162002.55047.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701161428.07394.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701171300.45990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1169051920.4999.50.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87zm8hcscn.fsf@fjellstad.org> Bry Paula Melvin writes: > We reverted to OS/2 where we could use easily multiple versions of dll > using libpathstrict.libpathstrict in OS/2 let different versions of the > same name dll be loaded into memory at the same time.If you are > interested in looking at this in practical application look at > http://melvinart.com/os2/mozilla Unix has something similar in LD_LIBRARY_PATH: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From oozypal at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:38:18 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:38:18 +0300 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:41:47 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:41:47 -0800 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. Try "startx." What have you already tried to fix the problem? -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From wheelscribe at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:45:52 2007 From: wheelscribe at gmail.com (ben miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:45:52 -0600 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <949e5dd60701171345s7543a767n8e28658776befc3a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > > You might want to try 'dpkg --configure -a' first. See if that corrects the problem. From oozypal at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:48:07 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:48:07 +0300 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701171348h2e3f88b0q7dcbf9c81e1b9b14@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/07, Chris Miller wrote: > On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > Try "startx." What have you already tried to fix the problem? > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I tried startx and no help. I get XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From oozypal at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:53:34 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:53:34 +0300 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701171348h2e3f88b0q7dcbf9c81e1b9b14@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171348h2e3f88b0q7dcbf9c81e1b9b14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701171353j5731a7b9ic7c9c3b3e508554d@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > On 1/18/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > > > Try "startx." What have you already tried to fix the problem? > > > > -- > > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > I tried startx and no help. I get > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > > -- > OOzy > Kubuntu-Edgy > I tried dpkg --configure -a I did setting ups then I tried startx, I got same error XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining plus xauth: error in locking authority file /home/hab/.Xauthority OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 21:59:55 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:59:55 -0800 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701171353j5731a7b9ic7c9c3b3e508554d@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171348h2e3f88b0q7dcbf9c81e1b9b14@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171353j5731a7b9ic7c9c3b3e508554d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > On 1/18/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > On 1/18/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > > On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > > > > > Try "startx." What have you already tried to fix the problem? > > > > > > -- > > > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > > > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > > > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > I tried startx and no help. I get > > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > > > > > -- > > OOzy > > Kubuntu-Edgy > > > > I tried dpkg --configure -a > > I did setting ups then I tried startx, I got same error > > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > plus > > xauth: error in locking authority file /home/hab/.Xauthority > OOzy > Kubuntu-Edgy X11 is having trouble gaining a lock on the Xauth file and somehow it's having issues connecting to the local xserver from the looks of it. That's way over my head. Maybe someone with more experience here can help you? -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From oozypal at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 22:09:21 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:09:21 +0300 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171348h2e3f88b0q7dcbf9c81e1b9b14@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171353j5731a7b9ic7c9c3b3e508554d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701171409l5b5a9685w5d19cf6090a9df84@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/07, Chris Miller wrote: > On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > On 1/18/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > On 1/18/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > > > On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > > > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > > > > > > > Try "startx." What have you already tried to fix the problem? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > > > > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > > > > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > > > > -- > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > > I tried startx and no help. I get > > > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > > > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > > > > > > > > -- > > > OOzy > > > Kubuntu-Edgy > > > > > > > I tried dpkg --configure -a > > > > I did setting ups then I tried startx, I got same error > > > > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > > > plus > > > > xauth: error in locking authority file /home/hab/.Xauthority > > OOzy > > Kubuntu-Edgy > > X11 is having trouble gaining a lock on the Xauth file and somehow > it's having issues connecting to the local xserver from the looks of > it. That's way over my head. Maybe someone with more experience here > can help you? > > -- > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I think I am having a problem with my filesystem sudo fsck is giving me lots of errors. -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 22:09:58 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:09:58 -0600 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701171353j5731a7b9ic7c9c3b3e508554d@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171348h2e3f88b0q7dcbf9c81e1b9b14@mail.gmail.com> <299ffe0d0701171353j5731a7b9ic7c9c3b3e508554d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701171609.58365.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 3:53 pm, OOzy Pal wrote: > On 1/18/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > On 1/18/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > > On 1/17/07, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > > > > > Try "startx." What have you already tried to fix the problem? > > > > > > -- > > > == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == > > > == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == > > > == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > I tried startx and no help. I get > > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > > > > > -- > > OOzy > > Kubuntu-Edgy > > I tried dpkg --configure -a > > I did setting ups then I tried startx, I got same error > > XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining > > plus > > xauth: error in locking authority file /home/hab/.Xauthority > OOzy > Kubuntu-Edgy 1. Reboot into recovery mode (this sets the file systems to be checked for real when you reboot again) and see if you can edit the xorg.conf. 2. Try to delete the /home/hab/.Xauthority file or rename it. 3. Reboot normally, let the filesystem check finish and see if you can access the various file spaces, and watch for what gets written to the /var/log/ Xorg.0.log; kdm.log and dmesg if X will not start. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From turgon at mike-leone.com Thu Jan 18 03:41:13 2007 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:41:13 -0500 Subject: installing vmware-tools in Ubuntu-6.06? In-Reply-To: <45AE4FC0.2040505@mail.ee> References: <20070116195745.GP8840@localhost> <45AE4FC0.2040505@mail.ee> Message-ID: <45AEEC59.4000404@mike-leone.com> Edmund Laugasson wrote: >> I have Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed as a VMware guest on my VMware server. And >> I'm trying to install the VMware tools. They give you an RPM or a gzipped >> source. So I unzipped the source, and ran the perl script. It said it >> couldn't recognize my kernel or distribution (even though I saw it unpack >> files with ubuntu in the name; I presume my kernel is a slightly later >> version of what they expect). The script offers to manually build the >> modules (kernel modules, from the look of it). So I download the kernel >> sources for it to find. Then it complains that it can't find the version.h >> file in the kernel source, which usually means that I haven't built the >> kernel myself. >> >> Correct; I haven't. And I don't want to, if I don't have to. >> >> So my question - has anyone gotten the vmware-tools to install in Ubuntu >> 6.06 LTS? If so, what did you have to do? > > I installed: > > 1) sudo apt-get install make > (UNIX make command to compile) > > 2) sudo apt-get install gcc > GNU C Compiler to compile kernel modules > > 3) sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) > > 4) a - commercial, b - freeware (current stable versions) > a) tar -zxvf VMware-workstation-5.5.3-34685.tar.gz > b) tar -zxvf VMware-server-1.0.0-28343.tar.gz Why did you install all of vmware into Ubuntu, instead of just the vmware-tools? > > 5) sudo ./vmware_install.pl I don't want to install all of vmware (the vmware host is Windows 2000); just the vmware-tools into the ubuntu guest. > > 6) agreed all default settings and after some installation voila! - it > worked! > > 7) I also used this command for configuring dynamic linker run-time > bindings: > sudo ldconfig > > ... or do restart but this is not necessary. > > > I used VM Ware 5.5.3 commercial licence, I bought to my organization. > OS: Kubuntu 6.06 LTS with KDE 3.5.5 from kubuntu.org and > universe/multiverse repositories enabled and frequently updated (using > crontab). Thanks From daniel at rimspace.net Thu Jan 18 04:27:20 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:27:20 +1100 Subject: installing vmware-tools in Ubuntu-6.06? References: <20070116195745.GP8840@localhost> <45AE4FC0.2040505@mail.ee> <45AEEC59.4000404@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <87k5zlvu1j.fsf@rimspace.net> Mike Leone writes: > Edmund Laugasson wrote: G'day Mike. >>> I have Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed as a VMware guest on my VMware >>> server. And I'm trying to install the VMware tools. They give you an >>> RPM or a gzipped source. So I unzipped the source, and ran the perl >>> script. [...] > I don't want to install all of vmware (the vmware host is Windows > 2000); just the vmware-tools into the ubuntu guest. This will probably help then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Tools The Ubuntu Community documentation is generally a good place to look for information on installing third party software of any kind. Also, while small comfort right now you can look forward to a more pleasant experience with Ubuntu 7.04 -- the kernel team will be supplying the VMWare tools and kernel modules as part of the distribution, at least by their plan. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 06:35:41 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:35:41 -0800 Subject: Misbehaving /etc/init.d/powersaved Message-ID: This is a curious problem. Whenever I boot, KLaptopDaemon fails to recognize that my ancient Pentium M Ultra-Low Voltage processor does indeed have CPU Frequency Scaling. This lets me eke about 15 more minutes out of my three year old batter, which is the difference between a 45 minute hang time and a whole hour (yay!) Under Gentoo I'd have simply issued rc-update -a powersaved and forgotten about the whole thing, but Ubuntu doesn't have rc-update. Can anyone help me discover how to add a script to the boot order manually? -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From molecularbiophysics at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 13:13:26 2007 From: molecularbiophysics at gmail.com (Karthik) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:13:26 +0100 Subject: auto-logoff In-Reply-To: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: > Is there any way to get kde to auto logoff instead of just auto locking the > session after a designated period of time with no activity? http://kshutdown.sourceforge.net/ will do it for you. From buggerone at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 13:33:38 2007 From: buggerone at gmail.com (JJL) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:33:38 +0100 Subject: Misbehaving /etc/init.d/powersaved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2007/1/18, Chris Miller : > > Under Gentoo I'd have simply issued rc-update -a powersaved and > forgotten about the whole thing, but Ubuntu doesn't have rc-update. > Can anyone help me discover how to add a script to the boot order > manually? > There is There is also such a script in debian-like distros : *update-rc.d* See http://annys.eines.info/cgi-bin/man/man2html?update-rc.d+8 Regards JJL -- http://kubuntu.free.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess you are trying to point to a directory. try: less /etc/inittab Mauro On 1/18/07, Jeyson David Polanco wrote: > > Hi people > > I use Edgy but it has no '/etc/inittab/' ... where can I get this confing to > set the default run level? > > thnaks > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From lokeey at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 20:02:15 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:02:15 -0600 Subject: Scripting with Expect Message-ID: Hey all, I currently do some scripting with expect at work, but I had heard about AutoExpect. I tried to run autoexpect, but it said command not found. Has anyone ever used this and if so, does anyone know if this is separate package from Expect or just not in the build from the repo's? -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 18 20:39:01 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:39:01 -0400 Subject: about run level default References: <200701180842.37118.fractus@gawab.com> Message-ID: <5g2584-2be.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Mauro Grauso wrote: > /etc/inittab is there but it's not a dir, it's a file. I guess you are > trying to point to a directory. > > try: > less /etc/inittab Please don't top post. > On 1/18/07, Jeyson David Polanco wrote: >> >> I use Edgy but it has no '/etc/inittab/' ... where can I get this >> confing to set the default run level? I'm wondering too. I thought I had an inittab - it's not like I ever touch it, but I see it doesn't exist any more. -- derek From dhcolesj at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 23:14:34 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:14:34 -0600 Subject: about run level default In-Reply-To: <5g2584-2be.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200701180842.37118.fractus@gawab.com> <5g2584-2be.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701181714.34600.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Thursday 18 January 2007 2:39 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > Mauro Grauso wrote: > > /etc/inittab is there but it's not a dir, it's a file. I guess you are > > trying to point to a directory. > > > > try: > > less /etc/inittab > > Please don't top post. > > > On 1/18/07, Jeyson David Polanco wrote: > >> I use Edgy but it has no '/etc/inittab/' ... where can I get this > >> confing to set the default run level? > > I'm wondering too. I thought I had an inittab - it's not like I ever touch > it, but I see it doesn't exist any more. That's probably because you are running upstart, the sysv startup replacement. You'll need to look around for the startup file for it. I still haven't messed with it, so I have no idea myself which one it is. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From ed.lau at mail.ee Thu Jan 18 23:29:17 2007 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:29:17 +0200 Subject: auto-logoff In-Reply-To: References: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <45B002CD.20805@mail.ee> Karthik wrote: >> Is there any way to get kde to auto logoff instead of just auto locking the >> session after a designated period of time with no activity? > > http://kshutdown.sourceforge.net/ This is nice utility but I did not find any opportunity to put periodical issue. E.g. I would like, that computer will every day shut down at fixed time. It seems like this is not implemented yet... Is there any solution for Gnome (Ubuntu), XFCE (Xubuntu) and also for other ? I searched at Google but no results :( Best Regards, Edmund Laugasson From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 23:36:24 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:36:24 -0800 Subject: auto-logoff In-Reply-To: <45B002CD.20805@mail.ee> References: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> <45B002CD.20805@mail.ee> Message-ID: You could make a cronjob. I don't know enough about cron to be able to tell you how to make the specific time part work, but I do know that simply issuing the command "shutdown -hP now" will shutdown the machine for you. If it's done as a cronjob it will shut down (even if the machine is still in use) unless you make some cool advanced functionality that I'd have to beat through API docs to know how to make. Good luck! -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From brymelvin at melvinart.com Fri Jan 19 06:45:56 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:45:56 -0700 Subject: auto-logoff In-Reply-To: <45B002CD.20805@mail.ee> References: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> <45B002CD.20805@mail.ee> Message-ID: <1169189157.17549.4.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 01:29 +0200, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > Karthik wrote: > >> Is there any way to get kde to auto logoff instead of just auto locking the > >> session after a designated period of time with no activity? > > > > http://kshutdown.sourceforge.net/ > > This is nice utility but I did not find any opportunity to put > periodical issue. E.g. I would like, that computer will every day shut > down at fixed time. It seems like this is not implemented yet... > > Is there any solution for Gnome (Ubuntu), XFCE (Xubuntu) and also for > other ? I searched at Google but no results :( > > > Best Regards, > Edmund Laugasson > this isn't gui BUT; sudo shutdown -h -P xx:xx (desired time) will shutdown the computer at a specific time and turn power off I actually use this at times to listen to streaming radio when I want to go to bed :-) or when the computer is doing updates etc. and want to quit without having to come back to the computer. Bryann From lists at ptfd.org Fri Jan 19 01:15:45 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:15:45 -0500 Subject: auto-logoff In-Reply-To: References: <200701150718.03903.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200701182015.45950.lists@ptfd.org> On Thursday 18 January 2007 08:13, Karthik wrote: > > Is there any way to get kde to auto logoff instead of just auto locking > > the session after a designated period of time with no activity? > > http://kshutdown.sourceforge.net/ > > will do it for you. I have this but cant find an "idle time" option? Mike From richard.jenkins at internode.on.net Fri Jan 19 01:27:35 2007 From: richard.jenkins at internode.on.net (Irena and Richard Jenkins) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:27:35 +1100 Subject: Shutdown ===> Reboot ?? Message-ID: <680A2A51-1EC9-4063-8C1E-33283F36C707@internode.on.net> I am running Kubuntu 6.06 (updated) on my x86 desktop. Just a short while ago (before Xmas) the shutdown behaviour changed. When shutdown is now engaged, it goes through to completion ... waits a couple of seconds ... and then begins to reboot. I have to press and hold the power button on the case for the shutdown to take effect. Is this a phenomenon that other people have noticed?? Richard Irena and Richard Jenkins Canberra, Australia ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mez at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 19 05:51:36 2007 From: mez at ubuntu.com (Martin Meredith) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:51:36 +0000 Subject: Shutdown ===> Reboot ?? In-Reply-To: <680A2A51-1EC9-4063-8C1E-33283F36C707@internode.on.net> References: <680A2A51-1EC9-4063-8C1E-33283F36C707@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1169185896.10697.7.camel@apathy> I've actually noticed this - it was when I had a certain wireless network card plugged in Since I'm now back on wired... it's working again as it should do Have you installed any new hardware On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 12:27 +1100, Irena and Richard Jenkins wrote: > I am running Kubuntu 6.06 (updated) on my x86 desktop. Just a short > while ago (before Xmas) the shutdown behaviour changed. When shutdown > is now engaged, it goes through to completion ... waits a couple of > seconds ... and then begins to reboot. I have to press and hold the > power button on the case for the shutdown to take effect. Is this a > phenomenon that other people have noticed?? > > > Richard > > > > Irena and Richard Jenkins > Canberra, Australia > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From oozypal at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 06:47:16 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:47:16 +0300 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <200701180840.26323.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> <200701180840.26323.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701182247m5602853bp2c676afb66da8ecc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/07, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 17 January 2007 16:38, OOzy Pal wrote: > > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. > > Read-only fs problems are usually the result of fs corruption. Try booting > from a live CD and running fsck on the X11 partition. > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > I did reboot from a Live CD, It goes through a lot checks and it dumps many chars/numbers then it says there are still errors. But it solved (stupidetly) since I have an 80GB hard and it getting full, I took this chance and I bought a 250GB and I installed it. Then reinstalled Kubuntu. I have backup of everything even the hidden files in my home directory. Plus I mounted my old 80GB and I can see all my files. Any how thank you all. -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk Fri Jan 19 09:20:44 2007 From: neil at holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:20:44 +0000 Subject: Upgrading Message-ID: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> I have been using Linux for some years now (more than five). When Kubuntu Edgy came out in October I installed it. I have been very pleased with it, after some tweaks and changes. I am sure that I will stay with it. However, one thing that I have learnt over the years is that upgrades just don't work. Up to now I have always wiped the hard drive and installed as new each time I have gone for a newer or different distro. So Feisty is due out in April. So what do I do then? If I stay with Edgy, which is working just fine for me, will I have any problems? Am I right in thinking that, after April, Edgy will no longer be supported? Has anyone out there had a successful upgrade in Kubuntu? After a couple of disastrous attempts at upgrades in the past I am very wary. I know that some of you have been using (k)ubuntu much longer that I have. Any suggestions, help, warning etc gladly received. TIA Neil Winchurst From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 09:34:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:34:41 +0200 Subject: Upgrading In-Reply-To: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701191134.42514.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > So Feisty is due out in April. So what do I do then? If I stay with > Edgy, which is working just fine for me, will I have any problems? Am I > right in thinking that, after April, Edgy will no longer be supported? > Has anyone out there had a successful upgrade in Kubuntu? After a couple > of disastrous attempts at upgrades in the past I am very wary. > > I know that some of you have been using (k)ubuntu much longer that I > have. Any suggestions, help, warning etc gladly received. Hi. We had a bit of a talk about new software in old distros recently and that's related. I agree that upgrading is not easy. I still have not had the nerve to go from Dapper to Edgy. IMHO it's erase and install because it's just too hard to seek and destroy all the little things that don't work. So, because Dapper is working fine and my software is still not too stale... I will stay here for as long as I can. If something I need like Inkscape suddenly leaves me behind, then I'll "wipeGrade" up to a new Kubu. :D /d From newslists at resrequest.com Fri Jan 19 09:43:03 2007 From: newslists at resrequest.com (Richard Howes) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:43:03 +0200 Subject: Upgrading In-Reply-To: <200701191134.42514.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> <200701191134.42514.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701191143.03910.newslists@resrequest.com> On Friday 19 January 2007 11:34, Donn wrote: > So, because Dapper is working fine and my software is still not too > stale... I will stay here for as long as I can. If something I need like > Inkscape suddenly leaves me behind, then I'll "wipeGrade" up to a new Kubu. My problem is I have always been an eye-candy / bleeding edge junkie, despite the fact it's burnt me more than once. I just cant resist the newer, shinier releases. I am still on dapper but struggling to hold on ;-) Cheers Richard -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From skrueger at gmx.net Fri Jan 19 11:41:28 2007 From: skrueger at gmx.net (Stefan =?iso-8859-1?q?Kr=FCger?=) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:41:28 +0100 Subject: Howto change the different hibernate/suspend functions selectable at logout and in KLaptop Message-ID: <200701191241.28511.skrueger@gmx.net> Hello I am using Kubunut Edgy, with suspend2-kernel. I have scripts that make the computer suspends to disk fine. /usr/bin/hibernate-disk. Now i have two questions... It IS possible tell KLaptop to execute this command on a critical battery state, by filling the "execute command"-field. BUT, when i mouseclick the KLaptop-icon and choose hibernate, it executes something that doesn't work... has anyone got an idea where to change this behaviour?! Secondly, when i press Alt-Crtl-Delete, i get a KDE logout, reboot, suspend or hibernate selection with a nice gray faded background. The buttons on this menu also use the wrong methods to hibernate.. .Anyone knows where to change that?! Just for info: Programs s2ram and s2disk don't work on my Thinkpad z61m... maybe i should delete them and link them to hibernate-disk... sounds like a pretty dirty thing to do :-( Thank you very much Stefan Krüger From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Fri Jan 19 12:01:48 2007 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Rita Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:01:48 +0100 Subject: Upgrading In-Reply-To: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> References: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701191302.23999.schweingruber@pharma-traduction.ch> Hi Neil, Am Freitag, 19. Januar 2007 10:20 schrieb Neil Winchurst: ... > However, one thing that I have learnt over the years is that upgrades > just don't work. Up to now I have always wiped the hard drive and > installed as new each time I have gone for a newer or different distro. While this is certainly recommended if you change distro, I don't think this is necessary if you don't skip releases. I'm using Ubuntu/Kubuntu since the very early days and never experienced big difficulties upgrading. > So Feisty is due out in April. So what do I do then? If I stay with > Edgy, which is working just fine for me, will I have any problems? Am I > right in thinking that, after April, Edgy will no longer be supported? There is no reason you will have problems with Edgy beyond 07.04, usually the support for non-LTS releases is 18 months anyway. > Has anyone out there had a successful upgrade in Kubuntu? After a couple > of disastrous attempts at upgrades in the past I am very wary. To be sure your future upgrades work without problems, just keep in mind a few rules: - don't skip releases, as there is no upgrade possible, so upgrading from Dapper do Feisty for example would not work, one has to either do a clean install or upgrade Dapper -> Edgy -> Feisty. - don't upgrade to Alpha or Beta releases, be patient to wait for final releases. - make sure you have the kubuntu-desktop package installed. Even if it's not mandatory I found out that dist-upgrades work far better with this metapackage installed (at least for Dapper -> Edgy). - do the following _before_ your dist-upgrade: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean this cleans unnecessary files - after 07.04 edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change _every_ occurrence of "edgy" into "feisty" (keep in mind that dist-upgrades are supported to work only for official (e.g. "main") branches, so if you use "universe", "multiverse" and/or "restricted", some packages might not be upgraded in early stage release). - proceed to upgrade your distribution: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Dual boot installation users should backup their /boot/grub/menu.lst before, as there will be a new kernel installed which can cause problems for booting other OS. Hope I did not forget something "vital" but this proceeding works fine for me since Warty :-) Greets, Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 19 13:59:27 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:59:27 -0400 Subject: Upgrading References: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been using Linux for some years now (more than five). When > Kubuntu Edgy came out in October I installed it. I have been very > pleased with it, after some tweaks and changes. I am sure that I will > stay with it. > > However, one thing that I have learnt over the years is that upgrades > just don't work. My experience has been _very_ different. I started with Corel Linux (based on debian slink, iirc), dist-upgraded when they released a new version, then dist-upgraded to the corresponding Debian version when it became apparent Corel was going nowhere, dist-upgraded a couple of Debian versions & finally dist-upgraded to Ubuntu Hoary. Then I decided to do a clean install of Ubuntu, and have dist-upgraded through Edgy. I've occasionally had problems - but almost always while playing with not-yet-beta versions (and especially when they involved changes to libc6). Just before Christmas I did a fresh install of Edgy specifically so that I could reinstall Windows (purely so that I could get hardware support from Dell). > So Feisty is due out in April. So what do I do then? If I stay with > Edgy, which is working just fine for me, will I have any problems? Why should you? > Am I > right in thinking that, after April, Edgy will no longer be supported? No. iirc, security updates will be available for 18 months (from release - so another year after Feisty is released). > Has anyone out there had a successful upgrade in Kubuntu? As mentioned above :-) -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 15:37:39 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:37:39 +0200 Subject: Apt-get wants to downgrade my Digikam Message-ID: <880dece00701190737w715e4eeau756cd8f1ce2ae067@mail.gmail.com> I installed digikam 0.9.0 from source, as it's not in any ubuntu repo. I also installed exiv2 0.12 from source in order to install digikam. Now, when I run apt-get it wants to remove my Digikam: dotancohen at ubuntu:~$ sudo aptitude install konq-kim Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Initializing package states... Done Building tag database... Done The following packages are BROKEN: digikam digikamimageplugins The following packages have been automatically kept back: kppp kword-data libkadm55 libkrb5-dev librss1 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic linux-restricted-modules-common vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.17-10 xserver-xorg-core The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: imagemagick libmjpegtools0c2a libquicktime0 mjpegtools The following packages have been kept back: kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdnssd koffice-data koffice-libs kpf krdc krfb krita krita-data kspread kword libkrb53 libpoppler1 libpoppler1-qt poppler-utils tzdata wine The following NEW packages will be installed: imagemagick konq-kim libmjpegtools0c2a libquicktime0 mjpegtools 0 packages upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded. Need to get 1759kB of archives. After unpacking 6124kB will be used. The following packages have unmet dependencies: digikam: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 is installed. Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0) but 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 is installed. Depends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.7) but 3:3.3.6-3ubuntu3 is installed. Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.8) but 3.3.5-0.2 is installed. digikamimageplugins: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 is installed. Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0) but 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 is installed. Depends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.7) but 3:3.3.6-3ubuntu3 is installed. Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.8) but 3.3.5-0.2 is installed. Resolving dependencies... The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Downgrade the following packages: digikam [1:0.9.0~beta3-3 (now) -> 1:0.8.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy)] digikamimageplugins [0.9.0~beta3-3 (now) -> 0.8.2-3 (edgy, edgy)] Score is -130 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n Resolving dependencies... The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: digikamimageplugins Downgrade the following packages: digikam [1:0.9.0~beta3-3 (now) -> 1:0.8.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy)] Leave the following dependencies unresolved: digikam recommends digikamimageplugins Score is -591 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n Resolving dependencies... The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: digikam digikamimageplugins kubuntu-desktop Score is -1003 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n Resolving dependencies... *** No more solutions available *** What can I do to tell it to just ignore the digikam dependancies? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/energy.html http://dotancohen.com/howto/linksyssetup/index.php From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Jan 19 16:52:39 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:52:39 -0500 Subject: Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701171338ve7c08cncb52ab889c7b2bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701191152.39646.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 4:38 pm, OOzy Pal wrote: > I Can't start X, I am having a read-only filesystem problem. If you are having a read-only filesystem problem, then why are you worrying about X11? Even if you get it running, you won't be able to *do* anything with your computer until you fix this. I can't remember how Kubuntu handles not having a root account, etc. You can't exactly "enter root password for maintenance" when there is no root password. As such, the only sure thing I can suggest is booting off a live CD, and running fsck on any affected partitions from there. If your read-only filesystem is on /dev/hdb6 then run fsck -y /dev/hdb6 to tell it to answer yes to every question, and go ahead and fix everything the best it can manage. You'll probably lose some data. This kind of thing usually means you did not shut down your system properly, you did attempt to shut down properly, but it failed, or else your hard drive is thinking about crashing. -- D. Michael McIntyre From ofarfan at cirma.org.gt Fri Jan 19 22:35:20 2007 From: ofarfan at cirma.org.gt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Farf=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:35:20 -0600 Subject: having problems with automount dapper Message-ID: <45B147A8.7040203@cirma.org.gt> Hello there I'm having some problems reading my cd's. The thing is that when I insert the cdrom... it starts running and even gave me the dialog box asking what I want to do, it opens in konqueror the disk, but it doesn't show any files, then I press F5 and show the files.... any help? regards From lokeey at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 00:24:53 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:24:53 -0600 Subject: having problems with automount dapper In-Reply-To: <45B147A8.7040203@cirma.org.gt> References: <45B147A8.7040203@cirma.org.gt> Message-ID: check dmesg for errors? i had the same problem, happened in windows as well..turns out i had a bad cable. i swapped the cable...still had the same problem...turns out that this cd/dvd rom was the real problem....so make sure all that works first. i ended up replacing mine and everything works fine now. 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Harold From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 20 11:55:03 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:03 +0000 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to > block specific web sites that will work with firefox or with konqueror. > I need to block some site from my computer when someone is using the > computer. > I'm sure you parents out there must use something like I'm looking for. > > Harold > > > Perhaps dansguardian? I know it's available in Debian, so should be in Kubuntu, too. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From daniel at rimspace.net Sat Jan 20 12:01:36 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:01:36 +1100 Subject: Upgrading References: <45B08D6C.30407@holsdevon.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <87d559vrdr.fsf@rimspace.net> Neil Winchurst writes: > I have been using Linux for some years now (more than five). When > Kubuntu Edgy came out in October I installed it. I have been very > pleased with it, after some tweaks and changes. I am sure that I will > stay with it. > > However, one thing that I have learnt over the years is that upgrades > just don't work. Up to now I have always wiped the hard drive and > installed as new each time I have gone for a newer or different > distro. > > So Feisty is due out in April. So what do I do then? Simple: you take a full backup of your machine and then upgrade to Feisty. If things go terribly wrong you can restore the backup, but... ...unlike many other distributions Debian and Ubuntu are actually quite good at upgrades. Ubuntu has had some rough edges in the past, but now those are settling out and upgrades are starting to be as smooth as Debian. > If I stay with Edgy, which is working just fine for me, will I have > any problems? Am I right in thinking that, after April, Edgy will no > longer be supported? Once Edgy is no longer supported you will no longer have security updates so yes, inevitably *something* will go wrong for you. It may take quite some time for a suitable work or whatever but it will happen. > Has anyone out there had a successful upgrade in Kubuntu? After a > couple of disastrous attempts at upgrades in the past I am very wary. Yes. Through several versions, in fact, without any significant problems. > I know that some of you have been using (k)ubuntu much longer that I > have. Any suggestions, help, warning etc gladly received. Well, the best advice I can offer -- and something that many people don't seem to follow -- is to do this: 1. Wait six weeks after the release of the next version to let *someone else* find the first round of bugs. 2. Read the release notes for the next version. They will include detailed instructions on how to upgrade without running into that round of bugs. 3. Follow those instructions. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From brymelvin at melvinart.com Sat Jan 20 15:01:33 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:01:33 -0700 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1169305293.9828.22.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 11:55 +0000, Wulfy wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: > > I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to > > block specific web sites that will work with firefox or with konqueror. > > I need to block some site from my computer when someone is using the > > computer. > > I'm sure you parents out there must use something like I'm looking for. > > > > Harold > > > > > > > Perhaps dansguardian? I know it's available in Debian, so should be in > Kubuntu, too. > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > This can be done with the firewall software. Here we have our Kubuntu by adding the Kubuntudesktop to an Ubuntu install. Firestarter is installed by default. This can be done in the firewall rules from a gui. Firestarter is started by default if you are not on dialup but fails if ppp is not configured and started, It is pretty permissive by default, rquires sudo to change settings which are intact until changed again. (on startup rules stay intact even without starting the GUI for firestarter) We have grandkids so we have looked hard at this,...Addresses can be permissive with a blacklist or a whitelist only. We actually have the Linksys router on our network configured to only have time limited access from the computers in their bedrooms, so they can't sneak on in the night. Bryann From lists at ptfd.org Sat Jan 20 17:02:57 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:02:57 -0500 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701201202.57727.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 20 January 2007 06:55, Wulfy wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: > > I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to > > block specific web sites that will work with firefox or with konqueror. > > I need to block some site from my computer when someone is using the > > computer. > > I'm sure you parents out there must use something like I'm looking for. > > > > Harold > > Perhaps dansguardian? I know it's available in Debian, so should be in > Kubuntu, too. > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > Dansguardian and tinyproxy do this well. Mike From improfane at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 17:45:20 2007 From: improfane at gmail.com (Improfane) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:45:20 +0000 Subject: problem with booting/installing Message-ID: Upon booting from my Kudbuntu CD, I get a menu to boot or install into kubuntu and a "safe graphical mode kubuntu". If either of these are clicked, it loads for a while and puts me onto a console. I have tried CTRL+ALT+F7 but it is blank. What do I do now? I was expecting an installation screen or live cd. The ISO file name is kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso. I have used the facility on the disc to check for integrity. It reported fine. Can someone give me guidance on what I should do? Thanks From lokeey at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 17:59:10 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:59:10 -0600 Subject: sharing files... Message-ID: hey all, i'm having trouble copying files over from kubuntu (edgy) to my windows (xp) partition...i've enabled sharing, but it still does not allow me to do this. i'm able to view and copy from the windows partition to kubuntu but not the other way around. what's the best way to get this working. -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 18:22:47 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:22:47 +0200 Subject: sharing files... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701202022.49057.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday 20 January 2007 19:59, Lokeey wrote: > hey all, i'm having trouble copying files over from kubuntu (edgy) to my > windows (xp) partition...i've enabled sharing, but it still does not allow > me to do this. > > i'm able to view and copy from the windows partition to kubuntu but not the > other way around. Hi - as a quick guess I would say your Windows partition is using NTFS and that's read-only from kubuntu. You can get a new read/write driver for NTFS, but it's experimental. Still they claim a good track record. I am sorry for not having a link - search the ubu forums. /d From rscrawford at mossroot.com Sat Jan 20 18:30:54 2007 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:30:54 -0800 Subject: sharing files... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701201030.54808.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Saturday 20 January 2007 09:59, Lokeey wrote: > hey all, i'm having trouble copying files over from kubuntu (edgy) to my > windows (xp) partition...i've enabled sharing, but it still does not allow > me to do this. > > i'm able to view and copy from the windows partition to kubuntu but not the > other way around. > > what's the best way to get this working. Your XP partition is using the NTFS filesystem, which Linux does not talk to very well; Linux can read from NTFS filesystems fine, but writing to them is spotty at best. Someone has been developing an NTFS kernel module, but it's experimental and comes with plenty of warnings. Whenever I choose to have a partition shared between a Windows OS and Linux OS on one computer, I set up that partition as FAT32. I usually make that partition pretty small, since FAT32 is not as efficient as either NTFS or ext3, but both OSes talk to it just fine. I actually haven't done this for quite awhile, because I very rarely use Windows anymore, and because I have a fileserver where I keep most of my stuff anyway. -- Richard S. Crawford (http://www.mossroot.com) Editor In Chief at Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Check out the Cthulhu Wiki: http://www.mossroot.com/cthulhuwiki AIM: Buffalo2K / GTalk: underpope at gmail.com Skype/Gizmo: underpope "You can't trust your judgement when your imagination is out of focus." (Mark Twain) From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 20 18:27:19 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:27:19 -0400 Subject: having problems with automount dapper References: <45B147A8.7040203@cirma.org.gt> Message-ID: <7h3a84-5p7.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Oscar Farfán wrote: > Hello there > > I'm having some problems reading my cd's. > > The thing is that when I insert the cdrom... it starts running and even > gave me the dialog box asking what I want to do, it opens in konqueror > the disk, but it doesn't show any files, then I press F5 and show the > files.... Is your cdrom listed in /etc/fstab? Comment it out, and see what happens. When I first did a fresh install of edgy just before Christmas, automounting was working. For some reason it stopped. I didn't like the look of the entry in fstab, so commented it out and voila! Surprisingly, it started showing up after automounting as /dev/dvdrecorder instead of /dev/cdrom, but who cares? :-) -- derek From lokeey at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 19:03:24 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:03:24 -0600 Subject: sharing files... In-Reply-To: <200701201030.54808.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <200701201030.54808.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: okay cool...that's what i figured...thanks for the prompt reply guys! On 1/20/07, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 09:59, Lokeey wrote: > > hey all, i'm having trouble copying files over from kubuntu (edgy) to my > > windows (xp) partition...i've enabled sharing, but it still does not > allow > > me to do this. > > > > i'm able to view and copy from the windows partition to kubuntu but not > the > > other way around. > > > > what's the best way to get this working. > > Your XP partition is using the NTFS filesystem, which Linux does not talk > to > very well; Linux can read from NTFS filesystems fine, but writing to them > is > spotty at best. Someone has been developing an NTFS kernel module, but > it's > experimental and comes with plenty of warnings. > > Whenever I choose to have a partition shared between a Windows OS and > Linux OS > on one computer, I set up that partition as FAT32. I usually make that > partition pretty small, since FAT32 is not as efficient as either NTFS or > ext3, but both OSes talk to it just fine. I actually haven't done this > for > quite awhile, because I very rarely use Windows anymore, and because I > have a > fileserver where I keep most of my stuff anyway. > > -- > Richard S. Crawford (http://www.mossroot.com) > Editor In Chief at Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > Check out the Cthulhu Wiki: http://www.mossroot.com/cthulhuwiki > AIM: Buffalo2K / GTalk: underpope at gmail.com > Skype/Gizmo: underpope > "You can't trust your judgement when your imagination is out of focus." > (Mark Twain) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oozypal at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 20:17:49 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:17:49 +0300 Subject: Make Konsole Open tabs automatically Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> How can I make Konsole, when it starts, creates few tabs pointed to certain directories? -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 20 20:29:19 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:29:19 -0500 Subject: Make Konsole Open tabs automatically In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701201529.20021.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 20 January 2007 3:17 pm, OOzy Pal wrote: > How can I make Konsole, when it starts, creates few tabs pointed to > certain directories? I'm not going to go rooting around and potentially mess up my own setup, but if you open your tabs where you want them, you can save a session somehow or another with Settings -> Save Session Profile, and then there's some way to recall the saved session, or make this one the default. A little fiddling should get you there. I don't remember exactly what I did do, but my Konsole always opens with 10 tabs that have suggestive names for what each of them is for, etc. What you want can be done. I'm just not in the mood to potentially screw up my own config rooting around trying to give you a step by step procedure. -- D. Michael McIntyre From garryknight at gmx.net Sat Jan 20 21:11:57 2007 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:11:57 +0000 Subject: Web site blocking References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> Message-ID: Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to > block specific web sites Just to give you one more choice, SquidGuard will do this, but you'd also have to have Squid (a proxying server) installed as well. -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From vayu at sklinks.com Sun Jan 21 00:44:00 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:44:00 -0800 Subject: Make Konsole Open tabs automatically In-Reply-To: <200701201529.20021.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> <200701201529.20021.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <45B2B750.2010406@sklinks.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 20 January 2007 3:17 pm, OOzy Pal wrote: > >> How can I make Konsole, when it starts, creates few tabs pointed to >> certain directories? >> > > I'm not going to go rooting around and potentially mess up my own setup, but > if you open your tabs where you want them, you can save a session somehow or > another with Settings -> Save Session Profile, and then there's some way to > recall the saved session, or make this one the default. A little fiddling > should get you there. > > I don't remember exactly what I did do, but my Konsole always opens with 10 > tabs that have suggestive names for what each of them is for, etc. What you > want can be done. I'm just not in the mood to potentially screw up my own > config rooting around trying to give you a step by step procedure. > > Save the profile as the one that's in your menu, or on your panel, I believe the default one is named filemanagement. I put different buttons on my panel to have konqueror open to different directories. What I do is navigate an open konqueror window the way I want it, then under settings/save view profile I give it an appropriate name, for your example let's say tentabs. Then I make a new button on my panel and for executable I put: kfmclient openProfile tentabs (or whatever profile you want to open with that button). I put a description that shows up in the tool tips, and change the icon to something that helps me associate that button with the directory it opens. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 01:50:05 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:50:05 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b Message-ID: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> I'm tring to burn a DVD with K3b. When the burn window comes up, it complains of an input/output error By looking at the debig info, I think that I've narrowed down the problem to a bad cahracter encoding. This is the Debug info: System ----------------------- K3b Version: 0.12.17 KDE Version: 3.5.5 QT Version: 3.3.6 Kernel: 2.6.17-10-generic Devices ----------------------- _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A 1.05 (/dev/hdc, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite] LITE-ON LTR-48125S 1S05 (/dev/hdd, ) at /media/cdrom1 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM] [CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R] Used versions ----------------------- growisofs: 6.1 mkisofs: 2.1.1a03-unofficial-iconv growisofs ----------------------- INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, use -input-charset to override. /usr/X11R6/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - 'backup/אתי/מחלקת ×¢×'רות ו×"חזרים'. :-( write failed: Input/output error growisofs command: ----------------------- /usr/X11R6/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -speed=8 -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m -gui -graft-points -volid K3b data project -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2005 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-root/k3bYA8TUb.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-root/k3b2BOLZa.tmp -joliet -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-root/k3bIhZsGb.tmp -full-iso9660-filenames -disable-deep-relocation -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-root/k3b2jxeqc.tmp I have hundereds of folders in UTF-8, and I cannot simply rename them all to be compatable with k3b. Also, k3b has worked for me in the past. What must I do? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://dotancohen.com/terriblereferrer/index.php http://what-is-what.com/what_is/wikipedia.html From neil.linux at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 21 02:28:34 2007 From: neil.linux at iinet.net.au (neil.linux) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:28:34 +1100 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <45B2CFD2.4000203@iinet.net.au> Wulfy wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: > >> I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to >> block specific web sites that will work with firefox or with konqueror. >> I need to block some site from my computer when someone is using the >> computer. >> I'm sure you parents out there must use something like I'm looking for. >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> > Perhaps dansguardian? I know it's available in Debian, so should be in > Kubuntu, too. > > dansguardian is available in the Universe repository. You will need to add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Neil B Melbourne, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 21 05:56:48 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:56:48 -0500 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701210056.48413.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 16 January 2007 10:18 am, Donn wrote: > I have been wondering about this for a while, thought I would ask. > A friend of mine still runs Windows 95. He just installed Firefox 2.0 the > other day and it works. No problem. Well, after 30,000 messages of whining, I got bored and decided to install the new Firefox on Dapper. 1) go to firefox.com and click on the "get the new version" thingie 2) unpack the tarball 3) edit the existing Kicker icon for Firefox to point to the new path ~/firefox/firefox 4) put some simlinks into ~/firefox/plugins to link to the flash player and java Not exactly one click installation, but I can't see anything wrong with the new Firefox so far. It probably just underscores why Linux is too hard for the average user though. -- D. Michael McIntyre From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 06:15:22 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:15:22 -0800 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think there's a UTF-8 compatible format you can burn. If this is a routine backup, a temporary workaround is to tar up all the files and then burn them to dvd. On 1/20/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I'm tring to burn a DVD with K3b. When the burn window comes up, it > complains of an input/output error By looking at the debig info, I > think that I've narrowed down the problem to a bad cahracter encoding. > This is the Debug info: > > System > ----------------------- > K3b Version: 0.12.17 > > KDE Version: 3.5.5 > QT Version: 3.3.6 > Kernel: 2.6.17-10-generic > Devices > ----------------------- > _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A 1.05 (/dev/hdc, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; > CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] > [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-RW > Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double > Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; > RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite] > > LITE-ON LTR-48125S 1S05 (/dev/hdd, ) at /media/cdrom1 [CD-R; CD-RW; > CD-ROM] [CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; > RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R] > Used versions > ----------------------- > growisofs: 6.1 > mkisofs: 2.1.1a03-unofficial-iconv > > growisofs > ----------------------- > INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. > Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, > use -input-charset to override. > /usr/X11R6/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - > 'backup/אתי/מחלקת ×¢×'רות ו×"חזרים'. > :-( write failed: Input/output error > > growisofs command: > ----------------------- > /usr/X11R6/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -use-the-force-luke=notray > -use-the-force-luke=tty -speed=8 -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m -gui > -graft-points -volid K3b data project -volset -appid K3B THE CD > KREATOR (C) 1998-2005 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher > -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort > /tmp/kde-root/k3bYA8TUb.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list > /tmp/kde-root/k3b2BOLZa.tmp -joliet -hide-joliet-list > /tmp/kde-root/k3bIhZsGb.tmp -full-iso9660-filenames > -disable-deep-relocation -iso-level 2 -path-list > /tmp/kde-root/k3b2jxeqc.tmp > > I have hundereds of folders in UTF-8, and I cannot simply rename them > all to be compatable with k3b. Also, k3b has worked for me in the > past. What must I do? Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://dotancohen.com/terriblereferrer/index.php > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/wikipedia.html > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 07:05:06 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:05:06 +0200 Subject: Firefox 2 on Dapper In-Reply-To: <200701210056.48413.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701161718.22949.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701210056.48413.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701210905.07765.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Well, after 30,000 messages of whining, I got bored and decided to install > the new Firefox on Dapper. Well, if you read the OP it'll show the the focus was not entirely on FF2. Granted, the title of the post is prob. to blame. I still don't understand why FF can't be upgraded to FF2 by the normal apt repos. /d From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 08:00:45 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:00:45 +0800 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I'm tring to burn a DVD with K3b. K3b would have to be the least necessary program available in Kubuntu. Just 'man growisofs' I have never had a second of trouble with it. As it is K3b probably generates about 10% of the grief on this list and all it does finally (if you ever get it working that is) is to invoke growisofs to burn your dvd anyway. Just my 2 RM (I'm in Malaysia this month). 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From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 08:40:47 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:40:47 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <200701210926.27946.samedkonak@gmail.com> References: <200701210926.27946.samedkonak@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701211040.47813.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I prefer to you a program called KPename.. You can rename the whole files > you want.. Heck - try the 'rename' command at the command line - it kicks bottom ! :D /d From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 09:36:09 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:36:09 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <200701211040.47813.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701210926.27946.samedkonak@gmail.com> <200701211040.47813.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701210136i617e2594xecc036812b3610a8@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/07, Donn wrote: > > I prefer to you a program called KPename.. You can rename the whole files > > you want.. > Heck - try the 'rename' command at the command line - it kicks bottom ! > How exactly could I transliterate Hebrew to English with rename? A shell script, maybe, but not rename alone. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/short_answer/what_is_a_firewall.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/yahoo.html From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 09:53:46 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:53:46 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <880dece00701210136i617e2594xecc036812b3610a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701211040.47813.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701210136i617e2594xecc036812b3610a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701211153.47037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > How exactly could I transliterate Hebrew to English with rename? Yikes! Perhaps a gui thing would work better then. An idea for using rename on the cli: (I assume you understand the hebrew) 1. select the hebrew with the mouse -> Copy it. 2. rename -n 's///' That should work. (The -n is a trial-run flag so you can see the outcome without damage) HTH /d From gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jan 21 11:50:44 2007 From: gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:50:44 +0000 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20070121115044.51ada7ac@graham-desktop> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:11:57 +0000 Garry Knight wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: > > > I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow > > me to block specific web sites > > Just to give you one more choice, SquidGuard will do this, but you'd > also have to have Squid (a proxying server) installed as well. ...and another suggestion. Before you get any program, install a Hosts file to which you can add specific sites. This works by directing your browser to your own computer rather than the address of the site. There are files which need a little bit of tweaking to make them useful for Linux users, but probably the best one is at: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/ Next, get Privoxy to run as a proxy server. You can adjust the configuration file to block web sites and it will also block unwanted ads. -- Graham From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 12:07:45 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:07:45 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <200701211153.47037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701211040.47813.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00701210136i617e2594xecc036812b3610a8@mail.gmail.com> <200701211153.47037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701210407y750930fahd725031b9363d242@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/07, Donn wrote: > > How exactly could I transliterate Hebrew to English with rename? > Yikes! Perhaps a gui thing would work better then. > > An idea for using rename on the cli: > (I assume you understand the hebrew) > 1. select the hebrew with the mouse -> Copy it. > 2. rename -n 's///' filename here> > That should work. > > (The -n is a trial-run flag so you can see the outcome without damage) > > HTH > /d > Like said, I've got hundreds of files and directories. That ain't gonna cut it! I did like Chris Miller suggested and just tarred the whole thing up. Thanks, Chris and all who have helped! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/bios.html http://laurieotto.com From oozypal at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 14:12:04 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:12:04 +0300 Subject: Make Konsole Open tabs automatically In-Reply-To: <45B2B750.2010406@sklinks.com> References: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> <200701201529.20021.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <45B2B750.2010406@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701210612g488ff997j3b47431a9c7a9e34@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/07, Vayu wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 3:17 pm, OOzy Pal wrote: > > > >> How can I make Konsole, when it starts, creates few tabs pointed to > >> certain directories? > >> > > > > I'm not going to go rooting around and potentially mess up my own setup, but > > if you open your tabs where you want them, you can save a session somehow or > > another with Settings -> Save Session Profile, and then there's some way to > > recall the saved session, or make this one the default. A little fiddling > > should get you there. > > > > I don't remember exactly what I did do, but my Konsole always opens with 10 > > tabs that have suggestive names for what each of them is for, etc. What you > > want can be done. I'm just not in the mood to potentially screw up my own > > config rooting around trying to give you a step by step procedure. > > > > > Save the profile as the one that's in your menu, or on your panel, I > believe the default one is named filemanagement. > > I put different buttons on my panel to have konqueror open to different > directories. What I do is navigate an open konqueror window the way I > want it, then under settings/save view profile I give it an appropriate > name, for your example let's say tentabs. Then I make a new button on my > panel and for executable I put: > kfmclient openProfile tentabs (or whatever profile you want to open with > that button). I put a description that shows up in the tool tips, and > change the icon to something that helps me associate that button with > the directory it opens. > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I am really, I tried my best but could not do it. I will try to post this question in Forum but if have more info and help plz post. Thank you. -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 14:46:20 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:46:20 +0200 Subject: Make Konsole Open tabs automatically In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701210612g488ff997j3b47431a9c7a9e34@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> <45B2B750.2010406@sklinks.com> <299ffe0d0701210612g488ff997j3b47431a9c7a9e34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701211646.20536.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I am really, I tried my best but could not do it. I will try to post > this question in Forum but if have more info and help plz post. Okay - I spent a moment to try, this is my take: 1. open konsole. 2. open all the tabs you want 3. cd them all to where you want them to be 4. goto Settings->Save session profile 5. type a name like 'bozo' 6. close konsole (all tabs) 7. from another konsole or Alt-F2: konsole --profile bozo So, now you can setup a shortcut or an icon using that command. I still can't find how to make that the default. Even saving it as 'default' does not work. Settings->Save as default does not work either. HTH /d From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 21 14:42:46 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:42:46 -0400 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Robert Parker wrote: > On 1/21/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> I'm tring to burn a DVD with K3b. > > > > K3b would have to be the least necessary program available in Kubuntu. > Just 'man growisofs' I have never had a second of trouble with it. As it > is K3b probably generates about 10% of the grief on this list and all it BS. Every time somebody complains about k3b, the problem is in the backends. Very rarely is it a DVD problem, anyway - the problems usually stem from cdrecord, which is always problematic. > does finally (if you ever get it working that is) is to invoke growisofs > to burn your dvd anyway. Yeah, so then why do you think there's a problem with k3b? I don't plan to make backups by manually invoking a command line program with stupid undocumented options like "use-the-force-luke". K3b _worked_ for Dotan - it was growisofs that failed. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 16:18:34 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:34 +0200 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 Message-ID: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> Swiftfox (firefox builds optimized for a paricular processor) are available for these processors: * Pentium 4 * Pentium M * Pentium 3 * Pentium 3M * Pentium 2 * Prescott * Celeron (Willamette, Northwood, Celeron D) * Celeron M * Celeron (Coppermine, Tualatin) Which one should I choose if I've got an Intell Duo Core 2 proccessor? Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/194/falco.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/kde.html From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 16:52:54 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:52:54 +0200 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 In-Reply-To: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701211852.55466.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Which one should I choose if I've got an Intell Duo Core 2 proccessor? Hi Dotan, I don't know the answer, but I believe Automatix actually compiled swiftfox from source when I tried it on my machine. I could be wrong though. I recall a lot of make-ish type stuff scrolling past ... /d From Chiphazard56 at aol.com Sun Jan 21 17:01:36 2007 From: Chiphazard56 at aol.com (Chiphazard56 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:01:36 EST Subject: wireless adapter Message-ID: hi all I have being trying to make this pcmcia cardbus to work my system is 6.06 on a toughbook cf48 ,the card is a TI addon gwk140 what do i need to start it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oozypal at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 19:28:14 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:28:14 +0300 Subject: Make Konsole Open tabs automatically In-Reply-To: <200701211646.20536.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701201217r45ff393n6c16c4b73ce570d7@mail.gmail.com> <45B2B750.2010406@sklinks.com> <299ffe0d0701210612g488ff997j3b47431a9c7a9e34@mail.gmail.com> <200701211646.20536.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701211128n160b0f3qd844f5fc3dded126@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/07, Donn wrote: > > I am really, I tried my best but could not do it. I will try to post > > this question in Forum but if have more info and help plz post. > Okay - I spent a moment to try, this is my take: > 1. open konsole. > 2. open all the tabs you want > 3. cd them all to where you want them to be > 4. goto Settings->Save session profile > 5. type a name like 'bozo' > 6. close konsole (all tabs) > 7. from another konsole or Alt-F2: > konsole --profile bozo > > So, now you can setup a shortcut or an icon using that command. > I still can't find how to make that the default. Even saving it as 'default' > does not work. Settings->Save as default does not work either. > > HTH > /d > Less than a minutes. I did it in less than a min. It worked. Thank you -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From maye.co at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 21:03:45 2007 From: maye.co at gmail.com (. m 4 y 3 . c 0 .) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:03:45 -0500 Subject: Konqueror file association Message-ID: <836caaeb0701211303v1fb6e117l9d1d0868883911d7@mail.gmail.com> HI!! I'm a happy user of gnu/linux distro Kubuntu 6.10, here is the problem, I'm working with PHP and HTML files and I love Kate as my text editor so I set Kate as my default program for PHP and HTML files in Konqueror, but now when I want to see a website with .php or .html file Konqueror ask me if I want to open Kate, but I just want to open Kate locally, not over the web, is this wrong? thanks to KDE and Kubuntu from Panama! MY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 21:25:42 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:25:42 +0200 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 In-Reply-To: <200701211852.55466.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> <200701211852.55466.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701211325oa700103ld98b3cffc23f298d@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/07, Donn wrote: > > Which one should I choose if I've got an Intell Duo Core 2 proccessor? > Hi Dotan, I don't know the answer, but I believe Automatix actually compiled > swiftfox from source when I tried it on my machine. I could be wrong though. > I recall a lot of make-ish type stuff scrolling past ... > Thanks, Donn. I just found a post on the Swiftfox forums where the guy who builds them recommends Prescott. So I'll be using that. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/xss.html http://dotancohen.com/howto/linksyssetup/index.php From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Sun Jan 21 22:19:28 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:19:28 +0100 Subject: Konqueror file association In-Reply-To: <836caaeb0701211303v1fb6e117l9d1d0868883911d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <836caaeb0701211303v1fb6e117l9d1d0868883911d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070121231928.5f8b63e5.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:03:45 -0500 ". m 4 y 3 . c 0 ." wrote: > HI!! > I'm a happy user of gnu/linux distro Kubuntu 6.10, here is the problem, I'm > working with PHP and HTML files and I love Kate as my text editor so I set > Kate as my default program for PHP and HTML files in Konqueror, but now when > I want to see a website with .php or .html file Konqueror ask me if I want > to open Kate, but I just want to open Kate locally, not over the web, is > this wrong? > thanks to KDE and Kubuntu from Panama! > MY > You've got konq as a web and as a file browser. The profiles for each are in where you choose "kuuntu web" or "kubuntu file". -- Good luck, HarM. From m-wright at eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 23:50:42 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:50:42 -0800 Subject: PCMCIA trouble with Dapper In-Reply-To: <458E73D7.1080208@optonline.net> References: <456A8BFF.8050007@bresnan.net> <14cf5ea70612240355l7cec8facv5b5706ae26ff775b@mail.gmail.com> <458E73D7.1080208@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200701211550.43086.m-wright@eskimo.com> I'm using a PCMCIA modem for dialup access from Dapper (6.06 LTS) on a Toshiba Satellite L25-S19 laptop. I use KPPP to access the modem. About half the time, access works properly, with KPPP initially displaying "modem ready" and then properly dialing and connecting. On other occasions, attempting to dial from KPPP brings up "looking for modem" followed by "modem busy." The telephone line is known to be idle at this time. The only recourse is to reboot. Sometimes more than one reboot is required and, on occasion, I've had to shut down and boot from a cold start. Sometimes, several boots in a row are successful with no trouble noted. Examining pcmcia utils from the system services window in adminstrator mode doesn't yield much because it always shows pcmciautils "not running" even when the modem is in service and working fine. All the various modes are set to "start on boot." When I press the start button, an indication that pcmciautils has started is displayed, but the indication in the main system services window still says "not running." I've wondered whether it might be an intermittent hardware problem with the modem, but I'm not convinced that a reboot, without cycling the power to the card, would fix that. I can always get the modem up and running with one or more reboots, so I'm transitioning from RedHat 8 to Kubuntu as my primary operating system (Kubuntu is the only OS on this particular laptop), but I'd like to fix this minor irritant. Thanks, Maynard From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 01:03:19 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:03:19 +0200 Subject: Spreadsheet automatically capitalizing first letters. Make it stop Message-ID: <880dece00701211703r59184d1dv7c10b877fcafb312@mail.gmail.com> How do I tell Spreadsheet NOT to capitilize the first letter of every cell? I've never had this happen before. I'm on a fresh install of OOo 2.0.4 on FC6 in Hebrew. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://essentialinux.com/locale.php http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/131/108/carey_mariah/rainbow.html From bkpalmer at bigpond.net.au Mon Jan 22 01:08:55 2007 From: bkpalmer at bigpond.net.au (bkpalmer at bigpond.net.au) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:08:55 +1100 Subject: Spreadsheet automatically capitalizing first letters. Make it stop Message-ID: <3455906.1169428135649.JavaMail.root@web10ps> put a ' in front of the first letter. ---- Dotan Cohen wrote: > How do I tell Spreadsheet NOT to capitilize the first letter of every > cell? I've never had this happen before. I'm on a fresh install of OOo > 2.0.4 on FC6 in Hebrew. Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://essentialinux.com/locale.php > http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/131/108/carey_mariah/rainbow.html > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From daniel at rimspace.net Mon Jan 22 00:30:32 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:30:32 +1100 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 References: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871wlnlx7b.fsf@rimspace.net> "Dotan Cohen" writes: > Swiftfox (firefox builds optimized for a paricular processor) are > available for these processors: > > * Pentium 4 > * Pentium M > * Pentium 3 > * Pentium 3M > * Pentium 2 > * Prescott > * Celeron (Willamette, Northwood, Celeron D) > * Celeron M > * Celeron (Coppermine, Tualatin) > > Which one should I choose if I've got an Intell Duo Core 2 proccessor? Short answer: None of them. You should use the stock, unmodified version that is packaged as part of Ubuntu. The longer answer is: what do you think you will gain from this? >From the very, very few benchmarks available comparing Swiftfox to Firefox it shows a small but notable improvement on an essentially synthetic benchmark. It also shows a performance advantage of around one or two percent in the real world -- probably mostly due to the omission of support for layout outside Latin1. Is your web browser *really* a performance critical part of your day to day experience? Does it honestly consume enough CPU time to be worth the bother of optimizing? Are you sure you wouldn't gain more performance by sticking with the stock Firefox and putting a little effort into optimizing Pango rendering -- the most likely gain in the synthetic benchmark? Heck, are you sure you wouldn't gain more by doing some real profiling on Firefox and working out where it spends time working? Finally, you /are/ aware that this will not change the performance of the real high load applications through the web browser -- flash, video and PDF rendering are not going to be effected by this... Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From claydoh at claydoh.com Mon Jan 22 01:49:07 2007 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:49:07 -0500 Subject: Spreadsheet automatically capitalizing first letters. Make it stop In-Reply-To: <880dece00701211703r59184d1dv7c10b877fcafb312@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701211703r59184d1dv7c10b877fcafb312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701212049.44003.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Sunday 21 January 2007 8:03 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How do I tell Spreadsheet NOT to capitilize the first letter of every > cell? I've never had this happen before. I'm on a fresh install of OOo > 2.0.4 on FC6 in Hebrew. Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://essentialinux.com/locale.php > http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/131/108/carey_mariah/rainbow.html Look in Tools - autocorrect - options, there is a autocapitalize option you can uncheck. I tried to look this up in OOo at work (on winXP, but the help was broken lol so I looked on my Kubuntu box as soon as I got home :) ) -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 02:04:03 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:04:03 +0200 Subject: Spreadsheet automatically capitalizing first letters. Make it stop In-Reply-To: <200701212049.44003.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <880dece00701211703r59184d1dv7c10b877fcafb312@mail.gmail.com> <200701212049.44003.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701211804j5397d0e0xe7aa51edf574368c@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/07, claydoh wrote: > On Sunday 21 January 2007 8:03 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > How do I tell Spreadsheet NOT to capitilize the first letter of every > > cell? I've never had this happen before. I'm on a fresh install of OOo > > 2.0.4 on FC6 in Hebrew. Thanks. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > http://essentialinux.com/locale.php > > http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/131/108/carey_mariah/rainbow.html > > Look in Tools - autocorrect - options, there is a autocapitalize option you > can uncheck. > > I tried to look this up in OOo at work (on winXP, but the help was broken lol > so I looked on my Kubuntu box as soon as I got home :) ) > -- > Clay Weber > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://claydoh.com > http://emacdogsports.com Thanks, done. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/what_is_hdtv.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/drm.html From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 02:10:42 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:10:42 +0200 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 In-Reply-To: <871wlnlx7b.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> <871wlnlx7b.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <880dece00701211810m2fe65c98q3588a582488ad42d@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/07, Daniel Pittman wrote: > "Dotan Cohen" writes: > > > Swiftfox (firefox builds optimized for a paricular processor) are > > available for these processors: > > > > * Pentium 4 > > * Pentium M > > * Pentium 3 > > * Pentium 3M > > * Pentium 2 > > * Prescott > > * Celeron (Willamette, Northwood, Celeron D) > > * Celeron M > > * Celeron (Coppermine, Tualatin) > > > > Which one should I choose if I've got an Intell Duo Core 2 proccessor? > > Short answer: None of them. You should use the stock, unmodified > version that is packaged as part of Ubuntu. Iceweaslel? I hate the icon :) > The longer answer is: what do you think you will gain from this? A slightly more responsive firefox. On my last machine, a 1.3 gHz Duron, the difference between swiftfox and firefox was amazing. Simply amazing. I didn't benchmark it with anything other than the seat of my pants. And even the wife, who didn't know that I had changed anything, commented on how much faster firefox had become. > From the very, very few benchmarks available comparing Swiftfox to > Firefox it shows a small but notable improvement on an essentially > synthetic benchmark. For me it made a world of difference. > It also shows a performance advantage of around one or two percent in > the real world -- probably mostly due to the omission of support for > layout outside Latin1. I use Hebrew mostly. It supports Hebrew just fine. > Is your web browser *really* a performance critical part of your day to > day experience? Does it honestly consume enough CPU time to be worth > the bother of optimizing? Yes > Are you sure you wouldn't gain more performance by sticking with the > stock Firefox and putting a little effort into optimizing Pango > rendering -- the most likely gain in the synthetic benchmark? I might. Tell me more. I'm very, very interested. > Heck, are you sure you wouldn't gain more by doing some real profiling > on Firefox and working out where it spends time working? Like? > Finally, you /are/ aware that this will not change the performance of > the real high load applications through the web browser -- flash, video > and PDF rendering are not going to be effected by this... Flash and video I don't use. I'm often reading PDF's but I download them and read them in a standalone viewer. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/68/berlin.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/copyleft.html From daniel at rimspace.net Mon Jan 22 03:31:06 2007 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:31:06 +1100 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 References: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> <871wlnlx7b.fsf@rimspace.net> <880dece00701211810m2fe65c98q3588a582488ad42d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87sle3ka9x.fsf@rimspace.net> "Dotan Cohen" writes: > On 22/01/07, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> "Dotan Cohen" writes: >> >> > Swiftfox (firefox builds optimized for a paricular processor) are >> > available for these processors: [...] >> > Which one should I choose if I've got an Intell Duo Core 2 proccessor? >> >> Short answer: None of them. You should use the stock, unmodified >> version that is packaged as part of Ubuntu. > > Iceweaslel? I hate the icon :) No, Ubuntu have elected to stick with the Firefox name and brand. >> The longer answer is: what do you think you will gain from this? > > A slightly more responsive firefox. On my last machine, a 1.3 gHz > Duron, the difference between swiftfox and firefox was amazing. Simply > amazing. OK. Well, real world experience trumps bench tests any day. ;) I suspect that you will find less difference on the modern core 2 system, but your millage obviously may vary. [...] >> Are you sure you wouldn't gain more performance by sticking with the >> stock Firefox and putting a little effort into optimizing Pango >> rendering -- the most likely gain in the synthetic benchmark? > > I might. Tell me more. I'm very, very interested. > >> Heck, are you sure you wouldn't gain more by doing some real profiling >> on Firefox and working out where it spends time working? > > Like? Build the package with profiling support and generate results that way, or use oprofile. Like the previous option this requires being a developer, so possible not so useful unless you already know C++. Regards, Daniel -- Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure Phone: 0401 155 707 email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au http://digital-infrastructure.com.au/ From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 04:26:22 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:26:22 -0800 Subject: 3D KDE! Message-ID: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia The only how-to that worked for me. To distill what you need to do if you do not use an nvidia card, simply get your card working (be it Intel, ATI, SiS...) and then continue in that how-to right where the nvidia-specific instructions left off. It worked for me (I had better luck with the Xgl rendering option, thought YMMV obviously). Some of you are probably rolling your eyes saying "you just found this out?" Yes, I did just find this out. It took me the longest of times, and I'm willing to bet that someone out there has been wondering about this too and might possibly appreciate my findings. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 06:12:44 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:12:44 +0800 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Robert Parker wrote: > > BS. Every time somebody complains about k3b, the problem is in the > backends. > Very rarely is it a DVD problem, anyway - the problems usually stem from > cdrecord, which is always problematic. Maybe it is these days, it never was in the past. > does finally (if you ever get it working that is) is to invoke growisofs > > to burn your dvd anyway. > > Yeah, so then why do you think there's a problem with k3b? The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: 1. It is unnecessary. 2. There are many posts on list about problems with it. 3. I never managed to find any problem at all using growisofs manually. I don't plan to > make backups by manually invoking a command line program with stupid > undocumented options like "use-the-force-luke". Neither do I. If it's undocumented how did you find out about it? K3b _worked_ for Dotan - it was growisofs that failed. So K3b can find a way to make a program that just works fail. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 06:32:03 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:32:03 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701220832.03638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: > 1. It is unnecessary. I think the opposite. As much as I enjoy the command line, I must say that the technical details behind burning discs are simply too many. (My forgettery is highly advanced and it operates like a queue with one fact going in and pushing another out the other end! :) ) The other nice thing about a gui interface like K3B is that I can drag and drop a file from here, a bunch of stuff from there, a few folders from that other place and quickly drop them all onto the disc. To do that on the command-line is nigh-on impossible without a lot of (tab) typing of paths and after all that you still don't get a nice visual cue about how big all your data is. /d From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 10:59:41 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:59:41 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701220259i2034d0b0n39596ef7bff4166c@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/07, Robert Parker wrote: > > The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: > 1. It is unnecessary. What GUI program do you suggest that KDE users use, then? Seriously, I'd consider a gnome app if it were worth loading all the libs. I do that for F-Spot anyway. > 2. There are many posts on list about problems with it. Here's the address to the k3b list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/k3b-user Refer everybody to there, no? > 3. I never managed to find any problem at all using growisofs manually. And I wouldn't attempt it. I can replace the main bearings in my motor in a few hours with no problems. Would you attempt that? Just because I use a computer does not mean that I am professed in it's non-graphical operation. I am willing to learn, but only up to a certain point. > > I don't plan to > > make backups by manually invoking a command line program with stupid > > undocumented options like "use-the-force-luke". > > Neither do I. If it's undocumented how did you find out about it? The question was not asked at me, but I'll answer. I looked at the output of k3b's error. Furthermore, non-descriptive error messages and commands are counter-productive. It actually makes me mad, not laugh. > > K3b _worked_ for Dotan - it was growisofs that failed. > > So K3b can find a way to make a program that just works fail. No, Dotan can work around the fuckups. To be more accurate, Dotan can ask on the Kubuntu list and Chris can come and save his day! On another day Dotan might save Chris's day. That's what's great about these friendly communities. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/81/bolton_michael.html http://dapot.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 11:09:40 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:09:40 +0200 Subject: Swiftfox for Duo Core 2 In-Reply-To: <87sle3ka9x.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <880dece00701210818h4b4e8b1dj5fe31ebdcf7940fd@mail.gmail.com> <871wlnlx7b.fsf@rimspace.net> <880dece00701211810m2fe65c98q3588a582488ad42d@mail.gmail.com> <87sle3ka9x.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <880dece00701220309u33e2802fwdc60f007059424a3@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/07, Daniel Pittman wrote: > > Iceweaslel? I hate the icon :) > > No, Ubuntu have elected to stick with the Firefox name and brand. Excellent. > >> The longer answer is: what do you think you will gain from this? > > > > A slightly more responsive firefox. On my last machine, a 1.3 gHz > > Duron, the difference between swiftfox and firefox was amazing. Simply > > amazing. > > OK. Well, real world experience trumps bench tests any day. ;) > > I suspect that you will find less difference on the modern core 2 > system, but your millage obviously may vary. I was only using Firefox for a few minutes on this box, and it was 1.5 anyway. But I'm loyal to the bone ;) > >> Are you sure you wouldn't gain more performance by sticking with the > >> stock Firefox and putting a little effort into optimizing Pango > >> rendering -- the most likely gain in the synthetic benchmark? > > > > I might. Tell me more. I'm very, very interested. > > > >> Heck, are you sure you wouldn't gain more by doing some real profiling > >> on Firefox and working out where it spends time working? > > > > Like? > > Build the package with profiling support and generate results that way, > or use oprofile. Like the previous option this requires being a > developer, so possible not so useful unless you already know C++. Yes, definetely not my field. Thanks, though. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/143/425/red_hot_chili_peppers/mother_s_milk.html http://slashedot.org From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 22 13:43:57 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:43:57 -0400 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert Parker wrote: > The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: > 1. It is unnecessary. It's completely necessary. Most of us would rather drag-and-drop than build an ISO from the command line. > 2. There are many posts on list about problems with it. There are many posts on the list about problems with the backends. Almost all of them come about because the kernel developers and Jorge Schilling (cdrecord author) can't agree on the correct way to allow a program to have access to the CD burner. The latest ones have been because udev refuses to recognize the scsi-generic device as related to the burner. In all those cases though, cdrecord has the same problem whether you use k3b or not. > 3. I never managed to find any problem at all using growisofs manually. Lucky you. > I don't plan to >> make backups by manually invoking a command line program with stupid >> undocumented options like "use-the-force-luke". > > > Neither do I. If it's undocumented how did you find out about it? It's clearly used in the log Dotan posted. > K3b _worked_ for Dotan - it was growisofs that failed. > > So K3b can find a way to make a program that just works fail. When was the last time you created a DVD with growisofs and Hebrew file names? The problem is that growisofs either doesn't have the ability to use them, or wasn't passed the right parameter. If you know what it needs, I'm sure we can get k3b to pass it. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 14:29:59 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:29:59 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu Message-ID: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Yo, I have heard-tell of mysterious ways to hold several keys down and then cleverly combine others (like R + O = R in a circle thing, or e + ^ = e with a hat symbol :) ) to get special characters that are not on a normal us-english keyboard. What are your tips and tricks. Right now I am using K->Utilities->CharacterMap and copy-pasting -- which sucketh. /d From simozack at yahoo.it Mon Jan 22 14:43:32 2007 From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:43:32 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> Donn ha scritto: > What are your tips and tricks. Right now I am using K->Utilities->CharacterMap > and copy-pasting -- which sucketh. Alt + ^ + e = ê Alt + " + u = ü and so on... Simone Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 14:49:59 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:49:59 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Alt + ^ + e = ê > Alt + " + u = ü Hi Simone, This does not work for me at all. Just to check - do you mean: Alt (hold), SHIFT ' (for the " char), u, let go Alt, SHIFT ', let go, u Alt, ', let go, u I don't know the sequence of what to hold and when to let go. /d From simozack at yahoo.it Mon Jan 22 15:02:01 2007 From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:02:01 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4D1E9.8070905@yahoo.it> Donn ha scritto: > Just to check - do you mean: > Alt (hold), SHIFT ' (for the " char), u, let go > Alt, SHIFT ', let go, u > Alt, ', let go, u > > I don't know the sequence of what to hold and when to let go. The second one: Alt + Shift ', let go, u. You can test it in a Konsole session. Simone Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:09:08 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:09:08 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4D1E9.8070905@yahoo.it> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D1E9.8070905@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > The second one: Alt + Shift ', let go, u. You can test it in a Konsole > session. No - it must be something in your settings that has enabled this, I only get a plain u. :( /d From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:11:05 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:11:05 -0800 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D1E9.8070905@yahoo.it> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/22/07, Donn wrote: > > The second one: Alt + Shift ', let go, u. You can test it in a Konsole > > session. > No - it must be something in your settings that has enabled this, I only get a > plain u. > > :( Use KCharSelector. Then you can copy the oddball characters. From there you can use shift-insert (the one above the "delete" key) to insert things into a terminal window. IIRC, that key combo inserts for Gnome-Terminal and xterm as well as Konsole. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Mon Jan 22 15:18:31 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:18:31 -0500 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4D5C7.1030907@optonline.net> Donn wrote: >>Alt + ^ + e = ê >>Alt + " + u = ü >> >> >Hi Simone, >This does not work for me at all. > >Just to check - do you mean: >Alt (hold), SHIFT ' (for the " char), u, let go >Alt, SHIFT ', let go, u >Alt, ', let go, u > >I don't know the sequence of what to hold and when to let go. > >/d > > > It´s a lot easier with US-Intl keyboard: ô é à ç ü ¿¡ ñ tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:22:15 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:22:15 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701221722.15757.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Use KCharSelector. Then you can copy the oddball characters. Yes - I know about that one, the point of the thread is to get at ways to do it direct from the keyboard. I come up against the need for odd characters in names and some words quite often and finding them and copy/paste is too slow really. /d From simozack at yahoo.it Mon Jan 22 15:23:29 2007 From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:29 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D1E9.8070905@yahoo.it> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4D6F1.2070905@yahoo.it> Donn ha scritto: >> The second one: Alt + Shift ', let go, u. You can test it in a Konsole >> session. > No - it must be something in your settings that has enabled this, I only get a > plain u. > > :( You can read here: http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ It contain a lot of useful tricks on how type non english characters... Simone Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:30:10 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:30:10 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4D5C7.1030907@optonline.net> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D5C7.1030907@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200701221730.10375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > It´s a lot easier with US-Intl keyboard: > ô é à ç ü ¿¡ ñ Wow, are all those right on the keyboard? I have never even seen a keyboard for sale here like that! /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:32:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:32:34 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4D6F1.2070905@yahoo.it> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D6F1.2070905@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701221732.35104.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > You can read here: > http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ grazie, I'll go look now. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:37:32 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:37:32 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4D6F1.2070905@yahoo.it> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D6F1.2070905@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701221737.32671.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ grazie infinite Simone ! ! ú ü ® è é á etc -- so cool. :D /d From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 22 15:12:00 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:12:00 -0400 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <0r0f84-86m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Simone wrote: > Donn ha scritto: > >> What are your tips and tricks. Right now I am using >> K->Utilities->CharacterMap and copy-pasting -- which sucketh. > > Alt + ^ + e = ê > Alt + " + u = ü > > and so on... There's go to be more to it than that. I get the Edit menu when I get as far as the E. -- derek From golfbuf at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:54:46 2007 From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:54:46 -0500 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not Message-ID: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> I have an E1505 dell inspiron and am running 6.10. For me, hibernate works, but suspend won't come back. After selecting suspend, the system goes into a near shutdown state (but not completely down as in hibernate). When I hit the start button, nothing happens (in hibernate, it boots up). I have to hold the power button down and kill it, then restart the laptop. When it boots, it does the full boot, not the quick boot like restarting from hibernate. I see some others having problems also, but no solutions. How can I troubleshoot this? TIA, From simozack at yahoo.it Mon Jan 22 16:08:59 2007 From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:08:59 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221737.32671.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D6F1.2070905@yahoo.it> <200701221737.32671.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4E19B.50604@yahoo.it> Donn ha scritto: >> http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ > grazie infinite Simone ! ! > ú ü ® è é á etc -- so cool. E' stato un piacere! Simone Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 16:13:02 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:13:02 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > > > The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: > > 1. It is unnecessary. > > It's completely necessary. Most of us would rather drag-and-drop than build > an ISO from the command line. It's not even a matter of preference. My wife, for instance cannot learn to do that. > > 2. There are many posts on list about problems with it. > > There are many posts on the list about problems with the backends. Almost > all of them come about because the kernel developers and Jorge Schilling > (cdrecord author) can't agree on the correct way to allow a program to have > access to the CD burner. The latest ones have been because udev refuses to > recognize the scsi-generic device as related to the burner. In all those > cases though, cdrecord has the same problem whether you use k3b or not. > > > 3. I never managed to find any problem at all using growisofs manually. > > Lucky you. > > > I don't plan to > >> make backups by manually invoking a command line program with stupid > >> undocumented options like "use-the-force-luke". > > > > > > Neither do I. If it's undocumented how did you find out about it? > > It's clearly used in the log Dotan posted. > > > K3b _worked_ for Dotan - it was growisofs that failed. > > > > So K3b can find a way to make a program that just works fail. > > When was the last time you created a DVD with growisofs and Hebrew file > names? The problem is that growisofs either doesn't have the ability to > use them, or wasn't passed the right parameter. If you know what it needs, > I'm sure we can get k3b to pass it. Even if it's not Hebrew, UTF-8 is standard enough that it absolutly must be supported. Arabic, Russian, Thai, Amhari, Hindi, I could go on and on. The segment of the computer-using population that can make do with Latin-only letters is getting smaller day by day. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ajax.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/86/11/a-ha/memorial_beach.html From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 16:22:07 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:22:07 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <0r0f84-86m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4CD94.5000502@yahoo.it> <0r0f84-86m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701221822.07933.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > There's go to be more to it than that. I get the Edit menu when I get as > far as the E. Derek - this is the answer: http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 16:24:21 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:21 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701221824.21969.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > and on. The segment of the computer-using population that can make do > with Latin-only letters is getting smaller day by day. So true. I can't even say something is "double-dutch" or "Greek to me" anymore because someone will pipe-up and say "nonsense, I'm A Double Greek Dutchman!" :D /d From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jan 22 17:00:34 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:00:34 -0500 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D1E9.8070905@yahoo.it> <200701221709.08429.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701221200.34436.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 22 January 2007 10:09, Donn wrote: >> The second one: Alt + Shift ', let go, u. You can test it in a Konsole >> session. > >No - it must be something in your settings that has enabled this, I only > get a plain u. > So do I, and the alt + ^ + e gets me a string of 5 e's. >:( > >/d -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Mon Jan 22 17:28:36 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:28:36 -0500 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221730.10375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221649.59347.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4D5C7.1030907@optonline.net> <200701221730.10375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4F444.6040701@optonline.net> Donn wrote: >>It´s a lot easier with US-Intl keyboard: >>ô é à ç ü ¿¡ ñ >> >> >Wow, are all those right on the keyboard? I have never even seen a keyboard >for sale here like that! > >/d > > > Opa...I use a regular, cheapo keyboard I bought for $5. This is a keyboard setting you can modify in System Settings or KControl. Under keyboard layouts, choose US-Intl (you may have to ¨add¨ it first, I don´t remember). Once that´s done, you will have to type ¨ ~ ^ ` and ´ twice to get them normally, but ¨+u = ü (works with other letters) ´+e=é or ´+a=á (alt+e also works, same for á, too) `+a=à ~+n=ñ ^+o=ô (actually, you type the mark FIRST and then the letter, and the letter appears with the mark, which is why you must type the mark twice if you only want the mark). alt+c=ç alt+/=¿ alt+1=¡ alt+n=ñ alt+m = µ (with alt+ whatever, you press them simultaneously). I use all of those, except µ, since, as a translator, I often type en français, português, and español. This way, I have easy access to all of the marks I need, without switching keyboard layouts. Good luck. tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com - translations & interpreting http://www.photodharma.com - art & photography of a baldwin --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 17:42:22 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:42:22 +0200 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4F444.6040701@optonline.net> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221730.10375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4F444.6040701@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200701221942.23130.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Opa...I use a regular, cheapo keyboard I bought for $5. > This is a keyboard setting you can modify in System Settings or KControl. > Under keyboard layouts, choose US-Intl (you may have to ¨add¨ it first, > I don´t remember). Ah Okay. I do a bit of programming so I would find hitting some keys twice to be a PITA, so I'll go with the "multi-key" approach! Thx. /d From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Mon Jan 22 18:12:39 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:12:39 -0500 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221942.23130.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221730.10375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4F444.6040701@optonline.net> <200701221942.23130.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B4FE97.3080309@optonline.net> Donn wrote: >>Opa...I use a regular, cheapo keyboard I bought for $5. >>This is a keyboard setting you can modify in System Settings or KControl. >>Under keyboard layouts, choose US-Intl (you may have to ¨add¨ it first, >>I don´t remember). >> >> >Ah Okay. I do a bit of programming so I would find hitting some keys twice to >be a PITA, so I'll go with the "multi-key" approach! > > Oh, yeah..and that is one drawback. I do some web building, myself, and the ¨ from international keyboard, for some reason, does not function properly in html. Aside from that, it really is most convenient for me, since I type in 4 languages regularly. But in programming in which you need ¨ rather frequently, it would be a PITA, and if you don´t need the diacrytical marks much, why bother, eh. tony >Thx. > > > >/d > > > -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 18:22:32 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:22:32 -0800 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/22/07, golfer wrote: > I have an E1505 dell inspiron and am running 6.10. For me, hibernate > works, but suspend won't come back. After selecting suspend, the > system goes into a near shutdown state (but not completely down as in > hibernate). When I hit the start button, nothing happens (in > hibernate, it boots up). I have to hold the power button down and > kill it, then restart the laptop. When it boots, it does the full > boot, not the quick boot like restarting from hibernate. > > I see some others having problems also, but no solutions. > > How can I troubleshoot this? I'm having the same problem. What I diagnosed as happening is that the system is resuming from suspend successfully, but fails to begin writing to the screen. I tried all the tricks I know to get it to start rendering the screen, but it had no effect. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From brymelvin at melvinart.com Mon Jan 22 18:32:29 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:32:29 -0700 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169490750.3386.6.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 18:13 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 22/01/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Robert Parker wrote: > > > > > The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: > > > 1. It is unnecessary. SNI{{P > It's not even a matter of preference. My wife, for instance cannot > learn to do that. > SNIP I'll get spammed by the purists...again...as ususal... but this is the point where It would be nice for some and politically incorrect to mention that SOME people (actually the majority) want to USE a computer as they would any other tool or appliance...NOT invest time in learning command line functions. That said have you tried NEROLINUX it is a proprietary solution but has a free trial. AFIK it doesn't need GNOME just GTK. Bryann From xurxo13 at terra.es Mon Jan 22 21:28:46 2007 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:28:46 +0100 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169501326.5201.2.camel@D4L> 2007-01-22 (月) の 10:22 -0800 に Chris Miller さんは書きました: > On 1/22/07, golfer wrote: > > I have an E1505 dell inspiron and am running 6.10. For me, hibernate > > works, but suspend won't come back. After selecting suspend, the > > system goes into a near shutdown state (but not completely down as in > > hibernate). When I hit the start button, nothing happens (in > > hibernate, it boots up). I have to hold the power button down and > > kill it, then restart the laptop. When it boots, it does the full > > boot, not the quick boot like restarting from hibernate. > > > > I see some others having problems also, but no solutions. > > Are you using a fresh install of Edgy or upgraded from Dapper? I had problems with suspend after upgrading from Dapper because of the new way of naming partitions. It works on a fresh install in a inspiron 630m though. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 21:32:50 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:32:50 +0200 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <1169490750.3386.6.camel@localhost> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> <1169490750.3386.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <880dece00701221332i66fa3a2cl55c6ebc6e9deaaf7@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/07, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > I'll get spammed by the purists...again...as ususal... but this is the > point where It would be nice for some and politically incorrect to > mention that SOME people (actually the majority) want to USE a computer > as they would any other tool or appliance...NOT invest time in learning > command line functions. > > That said have you tried NEROLINUX it is a proprietary solution but has > a free trial. AFIK it doesn't need GNOME just GTK. > > Bryann I haven't yet tried it, but I have no problem with proprietary software. I'll look into it. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/short_answer/what_are_the_advantages_of_lcd_monitors.html http://lahes.com From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 21:37:46 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:37:46 -0800 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: <1169501326.5201.2.camel@D4L> References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> <1169501326.5201.2.camel@D4L> Message-ID: On 1/22/07, Xurxo F. wrote: > 2007-01-22 (月) の 10:22 -0800 に Chris Miller さんは書きました: > > On 1/22/07, golfer wrote: > > > I have an E1505 dell inspiron and am running 6.10. For me, hibernate > > > works, but suspend won't come back. After selecting suspend, the > > > system goes into a near shutdown state (but not completely down as in > > > hibernate). When I hit the start button, nothing happens (in > > > hibernate, it boots up). I have to hold the power button down and > > > kill it, then restart the laptop. When it boots, it does the full > > > boot, not the quick boot like restarting from hibernate. > > > > > > I see some others having problems also, but no solutions. > > > > > Are you using a fresh install of Edgy or upgraded from Dapper? I had > problems with suspend after upgrading from Dapper because of the new way > of naming partitions. > It works on a fresh install in a inspiron 630m though. I'm using a fresh install on an IBM X40 and it doesn't work, so I don't think that an install being "fresh" will make much of a difference. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From xurxo13 at terra.es Mon Jan 22 21:55:23 2007 From: xurxo13 at terra.es (Xurxo F.) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:55:23 +0100 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> <1169501326.5201.2.camel@D4L> Message-ID: <1169502923.5201.7.camel@D4L> 2007-01-22 (月) の 13:37 -0800 に Chris Miller さんは書きました: > On 1/22/07, Xurxo F. wrote: > > 2007-01-22 (月) の 10:22 -0800 に Chris Miller さんは書きました: > > > On 1/22/07, golfer wrote: > > > > I have an E1505 dell inspiron and am running 6.10. For me, hibernate > > > > works, but suspend won't come back. After selecting suspend, the > > > > system goes into a near shutdown state (but not completely down as in > > > > hibernate). When I hit the start button, nothing happens (in > > > > hibernate, it boots up). I have to hold the power button down and > > > > kill it, then restart the laptop. When it boots, it does the full > > > > boot, not the quick boot like restarting from hibernate. > > > > > > > > I see some others having problems also, but no solutions. > > > > > > > > Are you using a fresh install of Edgy or upgraded from Dapper? I had > > problems with suspend after upgrading from Dapper because of the new way > > of naming partitions. > > It works on a fresh install in a inspiron 630m though. > > I'm using a fresh install on an IBM X40 and it doesn't work, so I > don't think that an install being "fresh" will make much of a > difference. It did for me. And there is a bug filed for Edgy about how new naming method for partitions broke suspend. From rodolfo.novak at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 01:50:40 2007 From: rodolfo.novak at gmail.com (Rodolfo Novak) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:50:40 -0500 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues Message-ID: Hi, I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft on my Fujitsu Likebook S6231. I was wondering if somebody has the same system and was able to optimize for it. I couldnt find drivers. Even though the system runs, the mouse pad is a little sloppy, i cant hibernate, its overheating a bit. Overall I would like some tips from Fujitsu laptop users. Thanks! -- RODOLFO NOVAK rodolfo.novak at gmail.com www.rncreative.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Tue Jan 23 03:05:42 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0500 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701222205.42847.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Monday 22 January 2007 20:50, Rodolfo Novak wrote: > Hi, > > I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft on my Fujitsu Likebook S6231. I > was wondering if somebody has the same system and was able to optimize for > it. I couldnt find drivers. Even though the system runs, the mouse pad is a > little sloppy, i cant hibernate, its overheating a bit. Overall I would > like some tips from Fujitsu laptop users. Try cross posting this issue with th Laptop-Testing list as well. > > Thanks! From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 03:28:28 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:28 -0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <200701222205.42847.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <200701222205.42847.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try ensuring that /etc/init.d/powersaved for the overheating problem. I know that I had to add my user to the root group, add my user to the root privilages in /etc/sudoers, and then I had to create a small script to execute sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart whenever KDE starts. That worked for me, though YMMV. That solved my CPU throttling problem which is the cause of most of my overheating. HTH. On 1/22/07, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > On Monday 22 January 2007 20:50, Rodolfo Novak wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft on my Fujitsu Likebook S6231. I > > was wondering if somebody has the same system and was able to optimize for > > it. I couldnt find drivers. Even though the system runs, the mouse pad is a > > little sloppy, i cant hibernate, its overheating a bit. Overall I would > > like some tips from Fujitsu laptop users. > Try cross posting this issue with th Laptop-Testing list as well. > > > > > Thanks! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 23 04:20:52 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:20:52 -0500 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701221722.15757.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221722.15757.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701222320.55501.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 22 January 2007 10:22, Donn wrote: > > Use KCharSelector. Then you can copy the oddball characters. > > Yes - I know about that one, the point of the thread is to get at ways to > do it direct from the keyboard. I come up against the need for odd > characters in names and some words quite often and finding them and > copy/paste is too slow really. I use compose_key. I have set up the windows key as the compose_key. More here http://process-of-elimination.net/wiki/Means_of_Composing_Accented_Characters_in_X_Window_System and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stranger1121 at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 06:12:48 2007 From: stranger1121 at gmail.com (stranger1121) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:12:48 -0100 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <200701222344.23602.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> <1169490750.3386.6.camel@localhost> <200701222344.23602.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: K9copy converting dvd9 to dvd5. K3b can't. 2007/1/23, Art Alexion : > On Monday 22 January 2007 13:32, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > > That said have you tried NEROLINUX it is a proprietary solution but has > > a free trial. AFIK it doesn't need GNOME just GTK. > > I hate the clunky nerolinux interface, but I must say that it has burned > some > video dvds that k3b/nerolinux choked on. I was never able to isolate what > distinguished the problematic VIDEO_TS structures, but it worked. > > Side question as we discuss alternate software, is there any reason to > install > and use k9copy? Does it do anything that k3b can't? Does it do something > that both do, but better than k3b? > -- > > _____________________________________________________________ > Art Alexion > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > alarm. Info @ > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > _____________________________________________________________ > > From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 23 06:30:36 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:30:36 -0500 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <200701222344.23602.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701230130.54303.art.alexion@verizon.net> Thanks, and what are dvd9 and dvd5? On Tuesday 23 January 2007 01:12, stranger1121 wrote: > K9copy converting dvd9 to dvd5. K3b can't. > > 2007/1/23, Art Alexion : > > On Monday 22 January 2007 13:32, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > > > That said have you tried NEROLINUX it is a proprietary solution but has > > > a free trial. AFIK it doesn't need GNOME just GTK. > > > > I hate the clunky nerolinux interface, but I must say that it has burned > > some > > video dvds that k3b/nerolinux choked on. I was never able to isolate > > what distinguished the problematic VIDEO_TS structures, but it worked. > > > > Side question as we discuss alternate software, is there any reason to > > install > > and use k9copy? Does it do anything that k3b can't? Does it do > > something that both do, but better than k3b? > > -- > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Art Alexion > > > > PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A > > Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > > The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for > > alarm. Info @ > > http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html > > _____________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 07:35:00 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:35:00 +0200 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B5BAA4.50401@gmail.com> golfer wrote: > I have an E1505 dell inspiron and am running 6.10. For me, hibernate > works, but suspend won't come back. After selecting suspend, the > system goes into a near shutdown state (but not completely down as in > hibernate). When I hit the start button, nothing happens (in > hibernate, it boots up). I have to hold the power button down and > kill it, then restart the laptop. When it boots, it does the full > boot, not the quick boot like restarting from hibernate. > > I see some others having problems also, but no solutions. Strange, I have the opposite problem with the same PC (named 6400 in my part of the world). But I know it is cause I messed up the swap-partition to be too small for hibernate. One thread on ubuntuforums I have often checked for problems; http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257684&highlight=inspiron+6400 I did a clean Edgy install btw. but still found lots on that thread to help me out. Sinclair From alain.muls at telenet.be Tue Jan 23 08:04:07 2007 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:04:07 +0100 Subject: kerry & beagle Message-ID: <200701230904.07517.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi, I use beagle and kerry as a frontend, but I cannot find any info that is in a office file (either openoffice or microsoft office) though I have wv installed. How should I configure beagle for indexing these files. I also read that there is a problem with the version of wv. WHich one should I use for indexing? Tx/Alain From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 10:31:39 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (Lantiero Zenesi) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:31:39 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B4E19B.50604@yahoo.it> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221737.32671.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4E19B.50604@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701231131.39985.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Alle 17:08, lunedì 22 gennaio 2007, Simone ha scritto: > Donn ha scritto: > >> http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ > > > > grazie infinite Simone ! ! > > ú ü ® è é á etc -- so cool. > > E' stato un piacere! Are doing this via an english keyboard? And, is it possible to assign a different key instead of Alt_R, say... win key? One more thing, as I noticed you share my native language, ;-) I use to type certain letters and symbols by a Ctrl+Alt combination, such as @ or €, but on linux I can only access these by means of a Alt_R. Is there a way to obtain this. I've googled, but to no avail. TIA. -- lanzen From simozack at yahoo.it Tue Jan 23 10:53:18 2007 From: simozack at yahoo.it (Simone) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:53:18 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701231131.39985.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701221737.32671.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4E19B.50604@yahoo.it> <200701231131.39985.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B5E91E.8050508@yahoo.it> Lantiero Zenesi ha scritto: > Alle 17:08, lunedì 22 gennaio 2007, Simone ha scritto: > Are doing this via an english keyboard? And, is it possible to assign a > different key instead of Alt_R, say... win key? I'm using a normal italian keyboard. I've done nothing but a normal installation of Kubuntu selecting the italian keyboard layout... :) > One more thing, as I noticed you share my native language, ;-) I use to type > certain letters and symbols by a Ctrl+Alt combination, such as @ or €, but on > linux I can only access these by means of a Alt_R. > Is there a way to obtain this. I've googled, but to no avail. The program used by Linux to map this special characters is xmodmap. Try searching on google "xmodmap" and it will answer all of your questions. Try also the link I posted to ML: it also contains a useful example of the use of xmodmap. Ciao, Simone Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 11:15:41 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (Lantiero Zenesi) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:15:41 +0100 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <45B5E91E.8050508@yahoo.it> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701231131.39985.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <45B5E91E.8050508@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200701231215.41931.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Alle 11:53, martedì 23 gennaio 2007, Simone ha scritto: > The program used by Linux to map this special characters is xmodmap. Try > searching on google "xmodmap" and it will answer all of your questions. > > Try also the link I posted to ML: it also contains a useful example of > the use of xmodmap. Ok, I've found some links and I'll check them later on, In the meantime, grazie. ;-) -- lanzen From rlp1938 at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 11:26:08 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:26:08 +0800 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b In-Reply-To: <200701220832.03638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> <200701220832.03638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340701230326r40e9b40cla6a50807cb17453e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Donn, On 1/22/07, Donn wrote: > > > The reason I think there is a problem with K3b is that: > > 1. It is unnecessary. > I think the opposite. As much as I enjoy the command line, I must say that > the > technical details behind burning discs are simply too many. > (My forgettery is highly advanced and it operates like a queue with one > fact > going in and pushing another out the other end! :) ) My memory is as bad as yours I don't doubt. Just get your command set up right once and bury it in a tiny script. The CLI for growisofs is trivial for most stuff. K3b adds nothing but complication and delay. At CLI you get to decide the options to use, not some third party. I am not saying that K3b is a bad program, far from from it. It's predecessors may have been POS but K3b is merely unnecessary. The other nice thing about a gui interface like K3B is that I can drag and > drop a file from here, a bunch of stuff from there, a few folders from > that > other place and quickly drop them all onto the disc. > To do that on the command-line is nigh-on impossible without a lot of > (tab) > typing of paths and after all that you still don't get a nice visual cue > about how big all your data is. I do it the easy way, I burn out of 1 directory. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My wife, for instance cannot > > learn to do that. > > > SNIP > > I'll get spammed by the purists...again...as ususal... but this is the > point where It would be nice for some and politically incorrect to > mention that SOME people (actually the majority) want to USE a computer > as they would any other tool or appliance...NOT invest time in learning > command line functions. I agree. The reason I avoid K3b is that it takes much more time to learn and to use than a simple command. My original point was just that K3b has created an enormous amount of traffic on this and other lists while folks learn how to use it. I am not simply a CLI junky, eg I have no time for Lynx on the internet rather than Firefox. More horses for courses, and K3b just wastes too much time. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjesse at iserv.net Tue Jan 23 14:46:14 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: problems w/ kontact Message-ID: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> I've severely messed up Kontact and need to delete all of my configurations, is there a way to "reset" it back to the default w/o any accounts/calendars/etc in it so I can start "fresh"? -- Jonathan Jesse From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 15:09:08 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:09:08 +0200 Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200701231709.08735.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I've severely messed up Kontact and need to delete all of my > configurations, is there a way to "reset" it back to the default w/o any > accounts/calendars/etc in it so I can start "fresh"? I don't use Kontact but I am pretty sure if you go look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kontact/ you will find some config files which you can experiment with. Perhaps move them into another folder and run kontact to see what happens. HTH /d From jjesse at iserv.net Tue Jan 23 15:15:10 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <200701231709.08735.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231709.08735.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18604.198.105.65.197.1169565310.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> >> I've severely messed up Kontact and need to delete all of my >> configurations, is there a way to "reset" it back to the default w/o any >> accounts/calendars/etc in it so I can start "fresh"? > I don't use Kontact but I am pretty sure if you go look in > ~/.kde/share/apps/kontact/ you will find some config files which you can > experiment with. Perhaps move them into another folder and run kontact to > see > what happens. > > > HTH > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > thanks there is a /home/jjesse/.kde/share/apps/korganizer and ./kde/share/apps/kmail but not a kontact, can i delete both of those files -- Jonathan Jesse From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 23 15:35:58 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:35:58 -0500 Subject: Typing oddball characters in kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200701231131.39985.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200701221630.00260.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45B4E19B.50604@yahoo.it> <200701231131.39985.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701231035.59315.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 23 January 2007 05:31, Lantiero Zenesi wrote: > Alle 17:08, lunedì 22 gennaio 2007, Simone ha scritto: > > Donn ha scritto: > > >> http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ > > > > > > grazie infinite Simone ! ! > > > ú ü ® è é á etc -- so cool. > > > > E' stato un piacere! > > Are doing this via an english keyboard? And, is it possible to assign a > different key instead of Alt_R, say... win key? I use the win key. Instructions at http://process-of-elimination.net/wiki/Means_of_Composing_Accented_Characters_in_X_Window_System -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 15:41:21 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:41:21 +0200 Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <18604.198.105.65.197.1169565310.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231709.08735.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <18604.198.105.65.197.1169565310.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200701231741.22091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > >> I've severely messed up Kontact and need to delete all of my > >> configurations, is there a way to "reset" it back to the default w/o any > >> accounts/calendars/etc in it so I can start "fresh"? > thanks there is a /home/jjesse/.kde/share/apps/korganizer and > ./kde/share/apps/kmail but not a kontact, can i delete both of those files Okay, I see that 'Kontact' is really just a wrapper around a bunch of other k apps. I use kmail and akregator as separate apps because I want them on different desktops. What did you "mess up" in kontact? It's not really a mess-up-able thing :) Perhaps you stuffed one of the sub-apps. Either way, the config files live in ~/.kde/share/apps/XXXX where the Xs are the app name. The files INSIDE those folders (like korganizerui.rc for e.g.) are the thing you can play with to see what changes in the app. HTH /d From jjesse at iserv.net Tue Jan 23 16:08:42 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:08:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <200701231741.22091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231709.08735.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <18604.198.105.65.197.1169565310.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231741.22091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45726.198.105.65.211.1169568522.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> >> >> I've severely messed up Kontact and need to delete all of my >> >> configurations, is there a way to "reset" it back to the default w/o >> any >> >> accounts/calendars/etc in it so I can start "fresh"? > >> thanks there is a /home/jjesse/.kde/share/apps/korganizer and >> ./kde/share/apps/kmail but not a kontact, can i delete both of those >> files > > Okay, I see that 'Kontact' is really just a wrapper around a bunch of > other k > apps. I use kmail and akregator as separate apps because I want them on > different desktops. > > What did you "mess up" in kontact? It's not really a mess-up-able thing :) > Perhaps you stuffed one of the sub-apps. Either way, the config files live > in > ~/.kde/share/apps/XXXX where the Xs are the app name. The files INSIDE > those > folders (like korganizerui.rc for e.g.) are the thing you can play with to > see what changes in the app. > > HTH > > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > To be honest I have now idea what is messed up, but as soon as I open up Kontact my disk activity sparks and I can't do anything until I kill the process for kontact. -- Jonathan Jesse From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 16:19:25 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:19:25 +0200 Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <45726.198.105.65.211.1169568522.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231741.22091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45726.198.105.65.211.1169568522.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200701231819.25612.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > To be honest I have now idea what is messed up, but as soon as I open up > Kontact my disk activity sparks and I can't do anything until I kill the > process for kontact. Um .... You can try a few things, all from a konsole: 1. Run 'kontact' and watch for error messages. Ctrl-C will break. 2. Run the component elements of kontact like 'kmail', 'akregator' from the konsole too, also watching for errors. 3. Run kontact (from an icon) and then run 'top' on the konsole and watch what processes are chewing-up your CPU. The idea is to see what's happening when it goes into its crunch. Perhaps that will help. You can post any errors here and I'll try again. /d From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 23 17:36:39 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:36:39 -0400 Subject: Cannot burn DVD with k3b References: <880dece00701201750h55f306ci3d25a7c98b1eacd9@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340701210000o46f22064r1882763eaacd6606@mail.gmail.com> <6oac84-psc.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <8f6eb7340701212212w692c7f7dx2c6a32172dba939c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00701220813k7722b340j79e41b4de600d8c2@mail.gmail.com> <1169490750.3386.6.camel@localhost> <8f6eb7340701230333h3ad087a2w56be654667c24990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7mth84-sjt.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Robert Parker wrote: > I agree. The reason I avoid K3b is that it takes much more time to learn > and to use than a simple command. That's simply insupportable. If we KNEW how to get growisofs to accept UTF-8 filenames, we'd be able to get K3B to do it. The problem is that we don't know the right command for growisofs. K3b takes no time at all to learn, growisofs certainly does. Growisofs is _very_ far from a simple command - especially if you don't want to just copy an entire directory tree. > My original point was just that K3b has > created an enormous amount of traffic on this and other lists while folks > learn how to use it. It hasn't. And since almost all of the posts here have been for cdrecord permissions problems, they'd all have been unnecessary anyway if the posters had googled first. -- derek From scarselli at faunalia.it Tue Jan 23 20:03:54 2007 From: scarselli at faunalia.it (Daniele Scarselli) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:03:54 +0100 Subject: nvidia settings In-Reply-To: <45A42623.9020405@mail.ee> References: <459ABCDC.10302@faunalia.it> <45A42623.9020405@mail.ee> Message-ID: <45B66A2A.6080201@faunalia.it> Edmund Laugasson ha scritto: > As far as I remember, I never wrote any configuration as user. I edited > as root the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and wrote driver "nvidia" instead of > old "nv" and also generated some modelines using web-based generators. > Restarted X and everything worked fine. > Wonderful! This solution works fine. Thank you very much Daniele > I never used nvidia-settings utility. There is necessary change driver > name and that's it! > > Certainly if you need, you may want to use some other parameters. They > can be read from nVidia documents: > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/chapter-03-section-02.html > > > Config options: > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-d.html > > E.g. I like to use some more parameters e.g. to hide boot logo, etc. > > > But check also your driver version - there might be differences with > earlier versions. > > >> I've a problem with my Nvidia Ge-force. Every time I reboot my system >> the settings of my graphic card reset and I have to relaunch the >> nvidia-settings. The results of a shel is the follow: >> >> >> ERROR: Error parsing configuration file >> '/home/daniele/.nvidia-settings-rc' on >> line 33: 'casa:0.0/RedBrightness=0.000000' (Trailing garbage). >> > > > -- Daniele Scarselli email+jabber: scarselli at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Cell: (+39) 348-7044067 Tel+Fax: (+39) 0587-213742 Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy From golfbuf at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 20:22:16 2007 From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:22:16 -0500 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: <45B5BAA4.50401@gmail.com> References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> <45B5BAA4.50401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <835a7820701231222k6bf2fa7ew7c30f5416a2e4e86@mail.gmail.com> On 1/23/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > One thread on ubuntuforums I have often checked for problems; > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257684&highlight=inspiron+6400 > > I did a clean Edgy install btw. but still found lots on that thread to > help me out. Same here .. fresh install .. in fact, using encrypted root (per wiki). Hibernate did not work initially because I did not have a swap .. once I added swap, it started working. Still no luck on suspend. Also, I manually edited my /etc/fstab back to /dev/sda5 (et.al) when I did the encrypted root, because the lvm numbers somehow got scrambled and the wrong partitions were getting mounted in the wrong places. I notice a package called hibernate .. anyone tried it and have any experience to report? regards, From carloscarnero at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 20:39:13 2007 From: carloscarnero at gmail.com (Carlos A. Carnero Delgado) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:39:13 -0500 Subject: Intel D102GGC2 motherboard success? Is SATA II supported? Message-ID: <2cbf87d0701231239n4e080fdfv593a4cfea313ee25@mail.gmail.com> Hello, does anyone is using an Intel D102GGC2 motherboard under Edgy? I'm getting timeouts for sda (the SATA disks). Best regards, Carlos. -- grah windows just crashed again, unstable crap. Windows isn't unstable, it's just spontaneous. From jjesse at iserv.net Tue Jan 23 22:11:06 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:11:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <200701231819.25612.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231741.22091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45726.198.105.65.211.1169568522.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231819.25612.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49142.69.214.0.109.1169590266.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> >> To be honest I have now idea what is messed up, but as soon as I open up >> Kontact my disk activity sparks and I can't do anything until I kill the >> process for kontact. > Um .... You can try a few things, all from a konsole: > 1. Run 'kontact' and watch for error messages. Ctrl-C will break. > 2. Run the component elements of kontact like 'kmail', 'akregator' from > the > konsole too, also watching for errors. > 3. Run kontact (from an icon) and then run 'top' on the konsole and watch > what > processes are chewing-up your CPU. > > The idea is to see what's happening when it goes into its crunch. > > Perhaps that will help. You can post any errors here and I'll try again. > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Donn, Thanks so much for the help. Korgc is what is giving me a hard time. As soon as it is started my hard drive light stays on and everything thing slows down. Here is the error I get when I start KOrganizer from the Konsole: libkcal: ERROR: Can't read uid map file '/home/jjesse/.kde/share/apps/kcal/uidmaps/newexchange_4yGkxSLaOi' Don't know if that has anything to do w/ it -- Jonathan Jesse From fsunoles at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 22:17:52 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:17:52 -0700 Subject: Borked network Message-ID: <75db45220701231417o1006f058kac0376e0b2bfb544@mail.gmail.com> Kubuntu 6.06.1 New install. Everytime I boot I have to add the domain name and DNS servers back to get networking going again. Strange. From fsunoles at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 00:10:52 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:10:52 -0700 Subject: Why is updating so slow? Message-ID: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> I have an incredible connection at work. Updating 100-200 MB is painfull. Not in a 56k sense, but it takes way longer than it should. The download speed is never constant either. It will go from snail to blazing and back to snail. Rinse and repeat. As an example, time to completion will range from 5+ hours to 50 seconds depending at what part of the cycle I'm on. From fsunoles at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 00:12:29 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:12:29 -0700 Subject: Borked network In-Reply-To: <75db45220701231417o1006f058kac0376e0b2bfb544@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701231417o1006f058kac0376e0b2bfb544@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75db45220701231612g3c0ab6cco948a6436adb84854@mail.gmail.com> On 1/23/07, Gary Hodges wrote: > Kubuntu 6.06.1 > > New install. Everytime I boot I have to add the domain name and DNS > servers back to get networking going again. Strange. Solved. Sort of. I reinstalled for the fourth time today but this time I used the alternate install CD. That graphical install sucks. From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 01:28:07 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:28:07 -0800 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/23/07, Gary Hodges wrote: > I have an incredible connection at work. Updating 100-200 MB is > painfull. Not in a 56k sense, but it takes way longer than it should. > The download speed is never constant either. It will go from snail > to blazing and back to snail. Rinse and repeat. As an example, time > to completion will range from 5+ hours to 50 seconds depending at what > part of the cycle I'm on. I'd start noting when it's fast and when it's going slower. I'll bet that it's going slower when there are more people accessing the web more often. Consider trying to get QoS enforced at your workplace. QoS (Quality of Service) will put a limit on individual computers. You'll get a slower connection, but it will be more consistent. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Wed Jan 24 02:51:47 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:51:47 -0500 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> Gary Hodges wrote: >I have an incredible connection at work. Updating 100-200 MB is >painfull. Not in a 56k sense, but it takes way longer than it should. > The download speed is never constant either. It will go from snail >to blazing and back to snail. Rinse and repeat. As an example, time >to completion will range from 5+ hours to 50 seconds depending at what >part of the cycle I'm on. > > > Likely depends on traffic, bandwidth issues at either end, how many users are accessing the same files or repository at the same moment...that kind of thing. tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 04:29:30 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:29:30 +0200 Subject: hibernate works but suspend does not In-Reply-To: <835a7820701231222k6bf2fa7ew7c30f5416a2e4e86@mail.gmail.com> References: <835a7820701220754l20fb7560oa84388111a71c520@mail.gmail.com> <45B5BAA4.50401@gmail.com> <835a7820701231222k6bf2fa7ew7c30f5416a2e4e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B6E0AA.8000504@gmail.com> golfer wrote: > On 1/23/07, O. Sinclair wrote: >> One thread on ubuntuforums I have often checked for problems; >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257684&highlight=inspiron+6400 >> >> I did a clean Edgy install btw. but still found lots on that thread to >> help me out. > > Same here .. fresh install .. in fact, using encrypted root (per > wiki). Hibernate did not work initially because I did not have a swap > .. once I added swap, it started working. Still no luck on suspend. > > Also, I manually edited my /etc/fstab back to /dev/sda5 (et.al) when I > did the encrypted root, because the lvm numbers somehow got scrambled > and the wrong partitions were getting mounted in the wrong places. > Well, I have not used any encrypted root "per wiki" and am not using LVM as far as I know, my partitions are named sda1, -2 and so on. Don't know if that might help in any way. Sinclair From bonedu at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 09:45:28 2007 From: bonedu at gmail.com (Eduard Bonet) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:45:28 +0100 Subject: pcmcia card Vodafone 3G (huawei e620) Message-ID: <3e192e060701240145l41fe65d3ue49e4be3f47e4321@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a pcmcia card from the company Vodafone. The card is a Huawei e620. I just want to use it to get internet access but i can't. I have collected information from different websites and tried various options without succeeding. I am stucked with the line "Modem not responding" that you can see below. $ wvdial pin huewai_e620 --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.56 --> Cannot get information for serial port. --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: 7943 --> Sending: ATQ0 ATQ0 OK --> Re-Sending: 7943 --> Modem not responding. $ Note that 7943 is the pin associated to my pcmcia. Just in case it might be useful to someone i also copy here my wvdial.conf file: # wvdial for Vodacom Data. Created by Tazz_tux # Version 1.1 # Change Log: # # Changed the dialers to name_model # Added support for HSDPA. # Added Headers and version control. [Dialer Defaults] Phone = *99***1# Username = vodafone Password = vodafone Stupid Mode = 1 Dial Command = ATDT [Dialer pin] #Init1 = AT+CPIN=1234 #la línia anterior es la que ve per defecte i no l'accepta. La canvio per posar-hi el pin autèntic Init1 = 7943 [Dialer novatel_u630] Modem = /dev/ttyS1 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATE0V1&D2&C1S0=0+IFC=2,2 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer option_fusion] Modem = /dev/tts/USB0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer option_quad] Modem = /dev/tts/USB0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer motorola_e1000] Modem = /dev/usb/acm/0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer nokia_6680] Modem = /dev/usb/acm/0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer option_hsdpa] Modem = /dev/noz0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer novatel_u740] Modem = /dev/noz0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer huewai_e620] Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer huewai_e220] Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer onboard] Modem = /dev/ttySHSF0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem [Dialer 2gonly] Init4 = AT+COPS=0,0,"Vodacom-SA",0 [Dialer 3gonly] Init4 = AT+COPS=0,0,"Vodacom-SA",2 [Dialer internet] Init5 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet" [Dialer internetvpn] Init5 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetvpn" [Dialer myapn] Init5 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","myapn" [Dialer 384k] Init6 = AT+CGEQMIN=1,4,64,384,64,384 Init7 = AT+CGEQREQ=1,4,64,384,64,384 [Dialer 144k] Init6 = AT+CGEQMIN=1,4,64,144,64,144 Init7 = AT+CGEQREQ=1,4,64,144,64,144 [Dialer 64k] Init6 = AT+CGEQMIN=1,4,64,64,64,64 Init7 = AT+CGEQREQ=1,4,64,64,64,64 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jriddell at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 24 09:53:59 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:53:59 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] pcmcia card Vodafone 3G (huawei e620) In-Reply-To: <3e192e060701240145l41fe65d3ue49e4be3f47e4321@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e192e060701240145l41fe65d3ue49e4be3f47e4321@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070124095359.GX20766@muse.19inch.net> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:45:28AM +0100, Eduard Bonet wrote: > I have a pcmcia card from the company Vodafone. The card is a Huawei > e620. I just want to use it to get internet access but i can't. > I have collected information from different websites and tried various > options without succeeding. I am stucked with the line "Modem not > responding" that you can see below. I had problems in Feisty, but got it working in Dapper. Does dmesg and /var/log/syslog say it has been recognised? Make sure /dev/ttyS0 (or in your case ttyS1) really is the correct device. The files I used are at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/vodafone-3g-datacard/ wvdial.conf in /etc or course and wvdial in /etc/ppp/peers/ dialed with wvdial option 3gonly internet 384k My one didn't come with a pin set as far as I've seen, and I havn't needed it. I also needed to set resolv.conf manually. Jonathan From barros001 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 11:44:53 2007 From: barros001 at gmail.com (Carlos Barros) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:44:53 -0200 Subject: SAMBA and Windows Message-ID: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> Hi list! I've spent last night trying to share a printer with my Windows XP, and gave up. Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo smbpasswd user to set a password (is there a GUI way????). Ok, here is my doubt: Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) without a password?? 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Someone tried to explain it to me once, but it seems wrong. > Ok, here is my doubt: > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows > is kinda stupid :) Linux doesn't do it any more than Windows does - I just expect you set the same password in smbpasswd as you specified in your personal network configuration. With Windows you have to do the same - so either have the same password on both machines, or what I have done to allow my (XP) work machine to access my (linux) laptop is create a user (broughtond) on the laptop with the XP username, NO login access, and the same UID as my laptop user (derek). Now add that user (broughtond) to the Samba user database with smbpasswd, setting the password to the same value used on the XP machine. Now, nobody can actually log in to my machine with broughtond, but broughtond does have access to shares. -- derek From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 13:39:20 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:39:20 -0600 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 24 January 2007 05:44, Carlos Barros wrote: > Hi list! > I've spent last night trying to share a printer with my Windows XP, and > gave up. Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, > even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo smbpasswd > user > to set a password (is there a GUI way????). Ok, here is my doubt: > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows > is kinda stupid :) Will Windows not print through CUPS directly? I'm sure you know the ipp://hostname.or.ip:631/printers/printerqueue format, and you shouldn't have to fool with passwords there. I have an older Windoze PC here that I have setup to print through ipp, its just been a while since I have done it. As for a file share, it should ask for a password unless userids and passwords are the same. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 13:52:46 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:52:46 +0200 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B764AE.7010001@gmail.com> Didn't someone earlier says something about Samba having to be set to SHARE and not USER security? Not my cup of tea, just a hunch. Sinclair Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 24 January 2007 05:44, Carlos Barros wrote: >> Hi list! >> I've spent last night trying to share a printer with my Windows XP, and >> gave up. Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, >> even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo smbpasswd >> user >> to set a password (is there a GUI way????). Ok, here is my doubt: >> Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) >> without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows >> is kinda stupid :) > > Will Windows not print through CUPS directly? I'm sure you know the > ipp://hostname.or.ip:631/printers/printerqueue format, and you shouldn't have > to fool with passwords there. I have an older Windoze PC here that I have > setup to print through ipp, its just been a while since I have done it. > > As for a file share, it should ask for a password unless userids and passwords > are the same. > From barros001 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 14:37:34 2007 From: barros001 at gmail.com (Carlos Barros) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:37:34 -0200 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bb86df0701240637y30ea6416ib7fb59e0f18069ca@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Carlos Barros wrote: > > > Hi list! > > I've spent last night trying to share a printer with my Windows XP, and > > gave up. Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, > > As it should. The simplest workaround is to make your Windows password > the > same as the Samba (smbpasswd) password. Yes, but here we have another problem.. I donnot have a password at Windows, at least I didnt defined anything, as it logs in automaticaly. > even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo smbpasswd > > user to set a password (is there a GUI way????). > > Not afaik. I don't understand why Samba can't use regular pam routines > and > standard unix password methods. Someone tried to explain it to me once, > but it seems wrong. > > > Ok, here is my doubt: > > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) > > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows > > is kinda stupid :) > > Linux doesn't do it any more than Windows does - I just expect you set the > same password in smbpasswd as you specified in your personal network > configuration. But, if you do a smbclient -L localhost and hit enter when it asks for a password, I get a share lists.. I cant do that in windows! > With Windows you have to do the same - so either have the > same password on both machines, or what I have done to allow my (XP) work > machine to access my (linux) laptop is create a user (broughtond) on the > laptop with the XP username, NO login access, and the same UID as my > laptop > user (derek). Now add that user (broughtond) to the Samba user database > with smbpasswd, setting the password to the same value used on the XP > machine. Now, nobody can actually log in to my machine with broughtond, > but broughtond does have access to shares. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barros001 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 14:38:21 2007 From: barros001 at gmail.com (Carlos Barros) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:38:21 -0200 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> Well, I really dont know how windows can print using ipp protocol.. maybe some soft??? On 1/24/07, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 January 2007 05:44, Carlos Barros wrote: > > Hi list! > > I've spent last night trying to share a printer with my Windows XP, and > > gave up. Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, > > even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo smbpasswd > > user > > to set a password (is there a GUI way????). Ok, here is my doubt: > > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) > > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows > > is kinda stupid :) > > Will Windows not print through CUPS directly? I'm sure you know the > ipp://hostname.or.ip:631/printers/printerqueue format, and you shouldn't > have > to fool with passwords there. I have an older Windoze PC here that I have > setup to print through ipp, its just been a while since I have done it. > > As for a file share, it should ask for a password unless userids and > passwords > are the same. > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfulks at knology.net Wed Jan 24 15:36:04 2007 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:36:04 -0600 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B77CE4.8000002@knology.net> Carlos Barros wrote: > Well, I really dont know how windows can print using ipp protocol.. > maybe some soft??? > > On 1/24/07, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 24 January 2007 05:44, Carlos Barros wrote: >> > Hi list! >> > I've spent last night trying to share a printer with my Windows XP, and >> > gave up. Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, >> > even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo >> smbpasswd >> > user >> > to set a password (is there a GUI way????). Ok, here is my doubt: >> > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) >> > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows >> > is kinda stupid :) >> >> Will Windows not print through CUPS directly? I'm sure you know the >> ipp://hostname.or.ip:631/printers/printerqueue format, and you shouldn't >> have >> to fool with passwords there. I have an older Windoze PC here that I >> have >> setup to print through ipp, its just been a while since I have done it. >> >> As for a file share, it should ask for a password unless userids and >> passwords >> are the same. >> >> -- >> See Ya' >> Howard Coles Jr. >> John 3:16! >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > Look back into the archive for a thread on "Cups for XP Clients". Jordi Ferrando Fabra posted a message about this on 1/15/2007. The reply to his post was "that worked great." So if you follow the advice in his posting it should work for you as well. I have included a link to the article below. Unfortunately Jordi Ferrando Fabra posted in HTML so you have to figure out what is HTML and what is CUPS in the message. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20070115/88a397ea/attachment.htm -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From bonedu at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 15:51:29 2007 From: bonedu at gmail.com (Eduard Bonet) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:51:29 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] pcmcia card Vodafone 3G (huawei e620) In-Reply-To: <20070124095359.GX20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <3e192e060701240145l41fe65d3ue49e4be3f47e4321@mail.gmail.com> <20070124095359.GX20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <3e192e060701240751k441bcb61j96e6d895b2aeb94c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lot! Now i feel it closer. But i need a little bit more help. How can i check whether /dev/ttyS0 is the correct device? I had problems in Feisty, but got it working in Dapper. Does dmesg > and /var/log/syslog say it has been recognised? Make sure /dev/ttyS0 > (or in your case ttyS1) really is the correct device. Will it serve to me the same ip as you have in your resolv.conf? I also needed to set resolv.conf manually. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 17:09:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:09:34 +0200 Subject: Delete dialogue box Message-ID: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Yo. When you delete stuff in KDE, that dialogue box opens and takes a bunch of seconds to draw and then go away again. Is there any way to tell KDE to not show the box? Just delete. Zip. Gone. Don't tell me about it, I know -- I pressed delete. :) /d From lu at gusilu.net Wed Jan 24 18:00:02 2007 From: lu at gusilu.net (Lucia Sanchez) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:00:02 -0600 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B79EA2.2040705@gusilu.net> Carlos Barros wrote: > Well, I really dont know how windows can print using ipp protocol.. > maybe some soft??? On the Windows install disks there is something with a name similar to "Unix printing utilities"; intall that and it will be able to print using ipp. Then you don't need to configure Samba or anything, just make sure CUPS is exporting the printer through ipp (preferably a raw printer). -- Lu. ------------------------------------ I will live forever or die trying. ------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, the problem is: Windows ALWAYS ask for a password, > >> > even to list the shares! And the worst, I had to manually sudo > >> smbpasswd > >> > user > >> > to set a password (is there a GUI way????). Ok, here is my doubt: > >> > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available > ones) > >> > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, > windows > >> > is kinda stupid :) > >> > >> Will Windows not print through CUPS directly? I'm sure you know the > >> ipp://hostname.or.ip:631/printers/printerqueue format, and you > shouldn't > >> have > >> to fool with passwords there. I have an older Windoze PC here that I > >> have > >> setup to print through ipp, its just been a while since I have done it. > >> > >> As for a file share, it should ask for a password unless userids and > >> passwords > >> are the same. > >> > >> -- > >> See Ya' > >> Howard Coles Jr. > >> John 3:16! > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > >> > > > > Look back into the archive for a thread on "Cups for XP Clients". Jordi > Ferrando Fabra posted a message about this on 1/15/2007. The reply to > his post was "that worked great." So if you follow the advice in his > posting it should work for you as well. > > I have included a link to the article below. Unfortunately Jordi > Ferrando Fabra posted in HTML so you have to figure out what is HTML and > what is CUPS in the message. > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20070115/88a397ea/attachment.htm thanks for the link.. I'll check it out! -- > Kelly L. Fulks > Home Account > near Huntsville, AL > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jferrando at netplc.com Wed Jan 24 18:36:54 2007 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Cups for XP Cients] Message-ID: <45B7A746.1070004@netplc.com> Hi, See if you can read the plain text. Carlos, I think I have fixed the settings in Thunderbird to send both plain text and HTML. ------ Add a printer in XP with the "Add printer dialog", and set the URL: * http://ip_of_server:631/classes/name_of_cups_printer* You must also edit the file */etc/cups/cupsd.conf *and allow connection from network clients, add something like this to the entries in the file: Order allow,deny Allow localhost Allow 192.168.8.0/255.255.255.0 Allow 192.168.9.0/255.255.255.0 Allow @LOCAL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 24 20:07:22 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:07:22 -0700 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <45B79EA2.2040705@gusilu.net> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> <45B79EA2.2040705@gusilu.net> Message-ID: <1169669242.6134.12.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 12:00 -0600, Lucia Sanchez wrote: > Carlos Barros wrote: > > Well, I really dont know how windows can print using ipp protocol.. > > maybe some soft??? > > On the Windows install disks there is something with a name similar to > "Unix printing utilities"; intall that and it will be able to print > using ipp. Then you don't need to configure Samba or anything, just > make sure CUPS is exporting the printer through ipp (preferably a raw > printer). > This will work BUT a word of caution. Some printers like some HP all in ones work fine across the network we have *nix to *nix and even dos based windows by installing locally as a dummy(undetected) and then using the same win driver via network. However the XP (home) machine on our net at my son's house will not work as the win98 driver will not install in XP and the XP won't let you install the printer as a network printer as it's"unsupported" . There MIGHT be a work around for this...but I don't know windows well enough (we moved to Linux from OS/2 (eCS). We set our SMB setup as "user" with SAMBA on the main machine acting as a wins server This DOES simplify SAMBA use, but that machine needs to always be running. Bryann From bonedu at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 20:09:01 2007 From: bonedu at gmail.com (Eduard Bonet) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:09:01 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] pcmcia card Vodafone 3G (huawei e620) In-Reply-To: <3e192e060701240751k441bcb61j96e6d895b2aeb94c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e192e060701240145l41fe65d3ue49e4be3f47e4321@mail.gmail.com> <20070124095359.GX20766@muse.19inch.net> <3e192e060701240751k441bcb61j96e6d895b2aeb94c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e192e060701241209u6cba50f4q28638d94953afd65@mail.gmail.com> Following the instructions you gave I got the following error message: wvdial option 3gonly internet 384k --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.56 --> Cannot get information for serial port. --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ERROR 2007/1/24, Eduard Bonet : > > Thanks a lot! Now i feel it closer. But i need a little bit more help. > > How can i check whether /dev/ttyS0 is the correct device? > > I had problems in Feisty, but got it working in Dapper. Does dmesg > > and /var/log/syslog say it has been recognised? Make sure /dev/ttyS0 > > (or in your case ttyS1) really is the correct device. > > > > Will it serve to me the same ip as you have in your resolv.conf? > > I also needed to set resolv.conf manually. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lu at gusilu.net Wed Jan 24 20:22:13 2007 From: lu at gusilu.net (Lucia Sanchez) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:22:13 -0600 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <1169669242.6134.12.camel@localhost> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> <45B79EA2.2040705@gusilu.net> <1169669242.6134.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45B7BFF5.3010506@gusilu.net> bryann wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 12:00 -0600, Lucia Sanchez wrote: > >>Carlos Barros wrote: >> >>>Well, I really dont know how windows can print using ipp protocol.. >>>maybe some soft??? >> >>On the Windows install disks there is something with a name similar to >>"Unix printing utilities"; intall that and it will be able to print >>using ipp. Then you don't need to configure Samba or anything, just >>make sure CUPS is exporting the printer through ipp (preferably a raw >>printer). >> > > > This will work BUT a word of caution. Some printers like some HP all in > ones work fine across the network we have *nix to *nix and even dos > based windows by installing locally as a dummy(undetected) and then > using the same win driver via network. > > However the XP (home) machine on our net at my son's house will not work > as the win98 driver will not install in XP and the XP won't let you > install the printer as a network printer as it's"unsupported" . > > There MIGHT be a work around for this...but I don't know windows well > enough (we moved to Linux from OS/2 (eCS). > Check HP's website. Some of these printers will work in a network even though you won't find drivers for that particular model, but must use some other model's driver. For example, at home we had an HP PSC 2410, and when doing the ipp thing, on the windows machine I had to select the driver for a DeskJet 660 or something like that (I don't remember exactly and can't check right now). Si navigate through HP printers website and try to look for a FAQ or something like that and questions about networked printers. Good luck! -- Lu. ------------------------------------ I will live forever or die trying. ------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At least that's where it is in the older version of KDE I'm on now. I believe it's still the same in newer versions. Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 22:12:43 2007 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:12:43 +0100 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701242312.54569.tanghus@gmail.com> On Wednesday den 24. January 2007 18:09, Donn wrote: > Yo. > When you delete stuff in KDE, that dialogue box opens and takes a bunch of > seconds to draw and then go away again. Is there any way to tell KDE to not > show the box? > Just delete. Zip. Gone. Don't tell me about it, I know -- I pressed delete. 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From brymelvin at melvinart.com Thu Jan 25 00:29:01 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:29:01 -0700 Subject: SAMBA and Windows In-Reply-To: <45B7C55C.3050603@gusilu.net> References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <200701240739.20375.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <64bb86df0701240638w212d446fg4ae561684e25a68e@mail.gmail.com> <45B79EA2.2040705@gusilu.net> <1169669242.6134.12.camel@localhost> <45B7C55C.3050603@gusilu.net> Message-ID: <1169684942.4954.10.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 14:45 -0600, Lucia Sanchez wrote: > bryann wrote: > > However the XP (home) machine on our net at my son's house will not work > > as the win98 driver will not install in XP and the XP won't let you > > install the printer as a network printer as it's"unsupported" . > > > > See if this helps: > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&docname=bpu04830&product=303753&dlc=en〈=en#bpu04830_AlternatePrintDriver > > Thank you and yes many newer printers will use an Old pcl driver....even some lexmark winprinters can use a 500c hp driver. I had completely forgotten about this as most of what my kids want to print across the network is Photos from their digital camera. The resolution of these older drivers is usually <= 600dpi and therefore not extremely useful. What's fun about this situation is when I send them to my grandaughter's K6/2 350 running Xubuntu....to do what their 6 month old Dell with XP can't do :-). I just love that. Bryann From kubuntu at kitterman.com Thu Jan 25 01:24:59 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:24:59 -0500 Subject: Easy Version Upgrading In-Reply-To: <45B7ED3E.1030307@bellsouth.net> References: <45B7ED3E.1030307@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701242024.59121.kubuntu@kitterman.com> On Wednesday 24 January 2007 18:35, Steven Pasternak wrote: > Hi! I have a kubuntu dapper computer that I want to put edgy on. Is > there any easy way to upgrade. I searched google, but I could only find > "update-manager -c" for ubuntu, which requires that I install a lot of > gnome libraries that I don't want. I tried manually changing the > sources.list file on another system, but it was VERY painful. Is there > an easy kubuntu-based way to upgrade? Thanks! How about this.... open a Konsole window Type: cp /etc/apt/sources.list ~/ open Konqueror (your file manager) Click on sources.list (this should open the file in Kate) Use the replace function to replace dapper with edgy, save, and close the file. Go back to your Konsole window and type: sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/ sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude dist-upgrade Watch closely for any error messages. You can copy and paste them into a text file for later review if necessary. The errors may tell you are missing packages. If so, once the upgrade is done, go back and install them using: sudo aptitude install [package names here] Then you should be done. Scott K From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 02:57:55 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:57:55 -0700 Subject: how to cache fonts:/System Message-ID: <256f4e900701241857s73784517y8b325834576942b5@mail.gmail.com> When I display fonts:/System in Konq, I see nice previews of the fonts... but the machine seems to recalculate all the previews every time I display that URL. Even if I open a single font to view it in more detail and then go back to fonts:/System, it appears to re-generate the previews from scratch. Even on my dual-core 64-bit box, this takes forever. Does anyone know some way to force Konq to remember what the previews ofthe fonts look like, so it doesn't behave this way? From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 04:24:13 2007 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:24:13 -0700 Subject: Easy Version Upgrading In-Reply-To: <45B7ED3E.1030307@bellsouth.net> References: <45B7ED3E.1030307@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0701242024m49dc536sc1358ef7bffedf8a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/07, Steven Pasternak wrote: > Hi! I have a kubuntu dapper computer that I want to put edgy on. Is > there any easy way to upgrade. I searched google, but I could only find > "update-manager -c" for ubuntu, which requires that I install a lot of > gnome libraries that I don't want. I tried manually changing the > sources.list file on another system, but it was VERY painful. Is there > an easy kubuntu-based way to upgrade? Thanks! I recommend the instructions at kubuntu.org: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php They say: # In Konqueror go to /etc/apt, right click on sources.list and choose Actions -> Edit as Root # Change all instances of dapper to edgy # Launch a console with KMenu -> System -> Konsole # In the console run: sudo apt-get update # In the console run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and follow the prompts to upgrade # In the console run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal and follow the prompts to install # Reboot your computer Worked well for me. Michael From michael at weblore.com Thu Jan 25 04:31:26 2007 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:31:26 -0600 Subject: Screen saver not working Message-ID: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> I have a screen saver configured to start after 15 minutes. The problem is that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. What would cause it not to work? From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 25 04:35:25 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:35:25 -0500 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701242335.25466.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 24 January 2007 12:09 pm, Donn wrote: > Just delete. Zip. Gone. Don't tell me about it, I know -- I pressed delete. Isn't there a checkbox that says something like "[ ] Don't show this again" at the bottom left of the dialog somewhere? -- D. Michael McIntyre From kubuntu at kitterman.com Thu Jan 25 05:12:44 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:12:44 -0500 Subject: Easy Version Upgrading In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0701242024m49dc536sc1358ef7bffedf8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B7ED3E.1030307@bellsouth.net> <9c2aabaf0701242024m49dc536sc1358ef7bffedf8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701250012.44503.kubuntu@kitterman.com> On Wednesday 24 January 2007 23:24, Michael Hirsch wrote: > They say: # In Konqueror go to /etc/apt, right click on sources.list > and choose Actions -> Edit as Root Amazing, I've never noticed that button before. That'll come in handy. Thanks, Scott K From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 07:28:49 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:28:49 +0200 Subject: how to cache fonts:/System In-Reply-To: <256f4e900701241857s73784517y8b325834576942b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900701241857s73784517y8b325834576942b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701250928.50510.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Does anyone know some way to force Konq to remember what the previews > ofthe fonts look like, so it doesn't behave this way? I can't help you with konqueror, but I have written an app to view ttf files (and manage / install / uninstall them too). If you want to have a look it's at: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython It's still early days, so at the moment it only does .ttfs. The source code is all there so it's pretty easy to change it to include .otf files too. Type 1 and other esoteric fonts are not supported because I don't understand them yet! HTH /d -- When there's an emergency how come we never hear anyone shout "Let me through, I'm an aromatherapist!" -- unknown From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 07:32:09 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:32:09 +0200 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <20070124211201.M21358@littlefish.ca> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com[0701!24.110730.tvgB]> <20070124211201.M21358@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200701250932.09895.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Open Konqueror, go to Settings->Configure Konqueror. In the 'Behaviour' > section (which you should see by default), there's an area 'Ask > Confirmation For'. Just uncheck the 'Delete' option. Hi, thx for the input. The thing I want is a little different: I already have that 'confirm' thing unticked; I don't want the window that opens and shows a progress bar of the deletion. It's like the copy or move one that shows what's happening. I particularly hate the delete one because I usually delete one or two files here and there and that damn dialogue is so slooow. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 07:33:07 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:33:07 +0200 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701242335.25466.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701242335.25466.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701250933.07477.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Isn't there a checkbox that says something like "[ ] Don't show this again" > at the bottom left of the dialog somewhere? Good idea. I used dd to make a big file and then deleted it and I don't see any option like that. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 07:34:48 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:34:48 +0200 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <200701250934.48357.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to > configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. > What would cause it not to work? What saver is it? Perhaps its a GL thing and your 3d drivers are not working. Perhaps it's a dud saver. Hit the test button and see if the saver runs ok at all. /d From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Thu Jan 25 10:22:36 2007 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:22:36 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? Message-ID: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Hi, I'd need some help with keymap switching under KDE. I have two keyboard layouts in my system (Slovene and Spanish, with the first as default), and I have to switch often between them. I find it quite unconfortable to have to change the entire layout manually to be able to type just a few special characters (accents and the ñ) and then back. In the "Xkb Options" of the KDE Control Center I see there is the possibility to have some keys switch to another keymap just while pressed. That's ideal for me, because if I want a Spanish accent I just press key + accent, then the accented letter, and that's it; therefore, I set it so that the right CTRL switches keymaps while pressed. However, the changes I make seem to have no effect. Neither CTRL nor the Windows keys switch the keymaps at all. Anybody can tell me what is wrong? I am running a fresh Kubuntu Edgy w. KDE 3.5.5 and kernel 2.6.17-10-generic on a HP-Compaq nc6120 laptop. Thanks in advance for your help, - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 10:35:55 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:35:55 +0200 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200701251235.56071.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi - I really don't know about switching keyboard layouts, but this link will help you if you want a quick way to type unusual characters in the extended Latin set like ù ä and so on. http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ HTH /d From alain.muls at telenet.be Thu Jan 25 10:50:04 2007 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:50:04 +0100 Subject: korganizer Message-ID: <200701251150.04448.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hello, Since I started kontact, I am no longer able to open korganizer without opening kontact. How can I restore this? Tx/Alain From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Thu Jan 25 11:12:11 2007 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:12:11 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251235.56071.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251235.56071.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Thursday 25 January 2007 11:35, Donn wrote: > Hi - I really don't know about switching keyboard layouts, but this link > will help you if you want a quick way to type unusual characters in the > extended Latin set like ù ä and so on. > > http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ Don, Thank you for your help, but I was looking for a way to do it via KDE. Besides, I use OpenOffice often, and it looks like the method you suggest clashes with it. Maybe I should file a KDE bug report? - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 11:34:31 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:34:31 +0200 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251235.56071.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200701251334.32331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Thank you for your help, but I was looking for a way to do it via KDE. > Besides, I use OpenOffice often, and it looks like the method you suggest > clashes with it. Hi, I am not sure what you mean by "do it via KDE" -- I am sure I misunderstand you. The xmodmap is no different from any other Linux command -- I think it's related to X Windows itself which KDE sits on top of! Put it on the end of your ~/.bash_profile and forget about it. I have also just tested it in OOO Writer 2.0.2 and it works fine. Really, it's a dead-easy and great solution. HTH /d From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Thu Jan 25 11:34:52 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:34:52 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251235.56071.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <20070125123452.2b754d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:12:11 +0100 Urtzi wrote: > On Thursday 25 January 2007 11:35, Donn wrote: > > Hi - I really don't know about switching keyboard layouts, but this link > > will help you if you want a quick way to type unusual characters in the > > extended Latin set like ù ä and so on. > > > > http://www.3till7.net/2005/12/28/non-english-characters-in-linux/ > > Don, > > Thank you for your help, but I was looking for a way to do it via KDE. > Besides, I use OpenOffice often, and it looks like the method you suggest > clashes with it. > > Maybe I should file a KDE bug report? > > - Urtzi - You need to look at "kcontrol, "regional&accessibility", "keyboard shortcuts" right at the bottom, the last entry. The default combination is Alt+Ctrl+k but you can change to whatever you want. -- Good luck, HarM. From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Thu Jan 25 11:46:00 2007 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:46:00 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251334.32331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251334.32331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701251246.00482.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Thursday 25 January 2007 12:34, you wrote: > > Thank you for your help, but I was looking for a way to do it via KDE. > > Besides, I use OpenOffice often, and it looks like the method you suggest > > clashes with it. > > Hi, I am not sure what you mean by "do it via KDE" -- I am sure I > misunderstand you. With "do it via KDE" I mean that temporary layout switches should work just checking the approppriate checkbox in the KDE Control Center -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout -> Xkb Options. They don't and that bugs me (pun intended). > The xmodmap is no different from any other Linux > command -- I think it's related to X Windows itself which KDE sits on top > of! Put it on the end of your ~/.bash_profile and forget about it. > > I have also just tested it in OOO Writer 2.0.2 and it works fine. Really, > it's a dead-easy and great solution. I might have done something wrong, but it's not working for me . . . Thank you for your time anyway! - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Thu Jan 25 11:55:43 2007 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:55:43 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <20070125123452.2b754d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <20070125123452.2b754d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <200701251255.44069.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Thursday 25 January 2007 12:34, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > You need to look at "kcontrol, "regional&accessibility", "keyboard > shortcuts" right at the bottom, the last entry. The default combination is > Alt+Ctrl+k but you can change to whatever you want. That's what I'm doing now; the problem is that in order to use a nonstandard character, I have to a) Press the key combo to switch layouts; b) Type the character; c) Press the keys to switch back. I find it quite bothersome. The other option is to leave the layout as is, but that's also bothersome because the Slovene keyboard is QWERTZ whereas the Spanish one is QWERTY, and I often mis-type Zs and Ys. What I'd like is a way to have the Slovene keymap on by default, and when I want to type, say a Ñ (whose key in a Slovene keyboard is Č), press Meta + Č and get a Ñ (Meta being whatever special key I choose, preferently Right CTRL). That is, that Meta switches layouts *only for the key you press it with*. In GNOME this is completely straightforward and works perfectly, but not in KDE, and I don't know why. The checkboxes are there; they just don't work. - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From michael at weblore.com Thu Jan 25 14:55:20 2007 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:55:20 -0600 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <200701250934.48357.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701250934.48357.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> On Thursday 25 January 2007 01:34, Donn wrote: > > that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to > > configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. > > What would cause it not to work? > > What saver is it? Perhaps its a GL thing and your 3d drivers are not > working. Perhaps it's a dud saver. Hit the test button and see if the saver > runs ok at all. Works fine on test. From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Thu Jan 25 15:10:02 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:10:02 -0500 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701250934.48357.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> Michael Satterwhite wrote: >On Thursday 25 January 2007 01:34, Donn wrote: > > >>>that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to >>>configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. >>>What would cause it not to work? >>> >>> >>What saver is it? Perhaps its a GL thing and your 3d drivers are not >>working. Perhaps it's a dud saver. Hit the test button and see if the saver >>runs ok at all. >> >> > >Works fine on test. > > > I find that, for some unknown reason, screensavers do not work automatically for me (neither in Fedora nor Kubuntu, on this same hardware, although, at one time they did... just stopped once and never worked again). However, if I lock session, they come on just fine, which has become my practice. Could you be experiencing the same phenomenon? Try locking your session to check. tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From fsunoles at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 15:16:44 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:16:44 -0700 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> Message-ID: <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the comments. One thing I'm sure of it is not the connection at my end. Government lab with connections to the abilene backbone. I wish I could choose my mirror with (K)ubuntu like I do on all my Debian installs. With Debian I can pick a close university or gov lab on the Abilene network and the connection is always amazing. With (K)ubuntu you get what you get. Maybe I'm wrong on this though, as I can't claim to have done an exhaustive search on ubuntu mirrors. On 1/23/07, anthony baldwin wrote: > Gary Hodges wrote: > > >I have an incredible connection at work. Updating 100-200 MB is > >painfull. Not in a 56k sense, but it takes way longer than it should. > > The download speed is never constant either. It will go from snail > >to blazing and back to snail. Rinse and repeat. As an example, time > >to completion will range from 5+ hours to 50 seconds depending at what > >part of the cycle I'm on. > > > > > > > Likely depends on traffic, bandwidth issues at either end, > how many users are accessing the same files or repository at the same > moment...that kind of thing. > > tony > > -- > http://www.baldwinlinguas.com > http://www.photodharma.com > --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- > Version: 3.1 > GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ > --------END GEEK CODE---------- > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Thu Jan 25 16:01:56 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:01:56 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251255.44069.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251212.11658.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <20070125123452.2b754d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701251255.44069.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <20070125170156.5284542c.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:55:43 +0100 Urtzi wrote: > On Thursday 25 January 2007 12:34, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > You need to look at "kcontrol, "regional&accessibility", "keyboard > > shortcuts" right at the bottom, the last entry. The default combination is > > Alt+Ctrl+k but you can change to whatever you want. > > That's what I'm doing now; the problem is that in order to use a nonstandard > character, I have to a) Press the key combo to switch layouts; b) Type the > character; c) Press the keys to switch back. I find it quite bothersome. The > other option is to leave the layout as is, but that's also bothersome because > the Slovene keyboard is QWERTZ whereas the Spanish one is QWERTY, and I often > mis-type Zs and Ys. > > What I'd like is a way to have the Slovene keymap on by default, and when I > want to type, say a Ñ (whose key in a Slovene keyboard is Č), press Meta + Č > and get a Ñ (Meta being whatever special key I choose, preferently Right > CTRL). That is, that Meta switches layouts *only for the key you press it > with*. > > In GNOME this is completely straightforward and works perfectly, but not in > KDE, and I don't know why. The checkboxes are there; they just don't work. > > - Urtzi - > Ah, that's a whole different bundle of monkeys but ...... would indeed be "xmodmap". I tend to get all the characters I want using a US-intl lay out. If it's only the z and the y key why not re-map only those two?..or literally exchange them physically on the keyboard. I've got a qwertz (german) layout on one of my laptops and it's not really the z and y that's bothersome but the special characters like / | @ # that I've got to find. -- Good luck, HarM. From jjesse at iserv.net Thu Jan 25 16:18:49 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:18:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <200701231819.25612.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231741.22091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45726.198.105.65.211.1169568522.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231819.25612.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42847.198.105.65.197.1169741929.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> >> To be honest I have now idea what is messed up, but as soon as I open up >> Kontact my disk activity sparks and I can't do anything until I kill the >> process for kontact. > Um .... You can try a few things, all from a konsole: > 1. Run 'kontact' and watch for error messages. Ctrl-C will break. > 2. Run the component elements of kontact like 'kmail', 'akregator' from > the > konsole too, also watching for errors. > 3. Run kontact (from an icon) and then run 'top' on the konsole and watch > what > processes are chewing-up your CPU. > > The idea is to see what's happening when it goes into its crunch. > > Perhaps that will help. You can post any errors here and I'll try again. > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > So whenever I restart my computer, korgc starts running and my system will lock while it process, the hard drive light is constantly on, and things are super slow until I kill the processes of korgc or korgc crashes. Once korgc crashes I am unable to launch programs and receive an error saying DCOP can't find klauncher. Any ideas on what I can do to solve this problem? -- Jonathan Jesse From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 25 16:19:47 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:19:47 -0500 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251255.44069.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <20070125123452.2b754d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701251255.44069.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200701251119.47566.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 25 January 2007 6:55 am, Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > In GNOME this is completely straightforward and works perfectly, but not > in KDE, and I don't know why. The checkboxes are there; they just don't > work. I can offer no help, but I can confirm that the KDE Xkb options bits have never worked correctly for me through many generations of XFree86/X.org and KDE. I have no idea why. As you say, the checkboxes are there; they just don't work. I settled for having to go click the little flag icon in the system tray to change between English and Spanish layouts, and yes, it is really tedious to have to go through that just to pick up the odd ñ or é and switch back. I've looked for a solution off and on for years. People have tried to help me, and put me through complex rituals of trying this and that, but all of it was to no avail at all. At least you know you aren't missing something obvious. -- D. Michael McIntyre From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 16:27:18 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:27:18 -0800 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/25/07, Homer wrote: > Thanks for the comments. One thing I'm sure of it is not the > connection at my end. Government lab with connections to the abilene > backbone. I wish I could choose my mirror with (K)ubuntu like I do on > all my Debian installs. With Debian I can pick a close university or > gov lab on the Abilene network and the connection is always amazing. > With (K)ubuntu you get what you get. Maybe I'm wrong on this though, > as I can't claim to have done an exhaustive search on ubuntu mirrors. That's curious. I live right next to the Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Labratories (okay, in neighboring Pleasanton, but pretty dang close) and the lab's Debian servers were never the cream of the crop when I ran that-apt-utility-that-finds-the-fastest-mirror-that-I-forgot-the-name-of, yet the Ubuntu mirrors for me are roughly 3x as fast as the fastest Debian one. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 16:49:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:49:34 +0200 Subject: problems w/ kontact In-Reply-To: <42847.198.105.65.197.1169741929.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> References: <11623.198.105.65.197.1169563574.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> <200701231819.25612.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <42847.198.105.65.197.1169741929.squirrel@webmail.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200701251849.34335.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > So whenever I restart my computer, korgc starts running and my system will > lock while it process, the hard drive light is constantly on, and things > are super slow until I kill the processes of korgc or korgc crashes. Once > korgc crashes I am unable to launch programs and receive an error saying > DCOP can't find klauncher. > Any ideas on what I can do to solve this problem? Sorry, been having computer issues of me own. I really have no magic bullet for you. It seems the problem has been narrowed-down to korgc as well as that error: >libkcal: ERROR: Can't read uid map file >'/home/jjesse/.kde/share/apps/kcal/uidmaps/newexchange_4yGkxSLaOi' I would go into ~/.kde/share/apps/kcal/uidmaps and look around. What are the file permissions? Who are the owners? etc. Perhaps a little judicious deleting will solve the problem. Sorry that I can't be of more specific help. Perhaps others can give you more of a clue. /d From michael at weblore.com Thu Jan 25 16:48:02 2007 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:48:02 -0600 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> On Thursday 25 January 2007 09:10, anthony baldwin wrote: > Michael Satterwhite wrote: > >On Thursday 25 January 2007 01:34, Donn wrote: > >>>that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to > >>>configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. > >>>What would cause it not to work? > >> > >>What saver is it? Perhaps its a GL thing and your 3d drivers are not > >>working. Perhaps it's a dud saver. Hit the test button and see if the > >> saver runs ok at all. > > > >Works fine on test. > > I find that, for some unknown reason, screensavers do not work > automatically for me > (neither in Fedora nor Kubuntu, on this same hardware, although, at one > time they did... > just stopped once and never worked again). > However, if I lock session, they come on just fine, which has become my > practice. > Could you be experiencing the same phenomenon? Try locking your session > to check. The screen saver begins immediately when the session is locked. It's the automatic starting that doesn't work. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 16:59:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:59:34 +0200 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <200701251859.35892.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > The screen saver begins immediately when the session is locked. It's the > automatic starting that doesn't work. Just a random thought across my empty mind -- this sounds like a daemon is not running ... Perhaps there is a screend or something like that which is counting the time down to start a screensaver? Perhaps a service? /d From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Thu Jan 25 17:20:13 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:20:13 -0500 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <45B8E6CD.2030906@optonline.net> Michael Satterwhite wrote: >On Thursday 25 January 2007 09:10, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>Michael Satterwhite wrote: >> >> >>>On Thursday 25 January 2007 01:34, Donn wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to >>>>>configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. >>>>>What would cause it not to work? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>What saver is it? Perhaps its a GL thing and your 3d drivers are not >>>>working. Perhaps it's a dud saver. Hit the test button and see if the >>>>saver runs ok at all. >>>> >>>> >>>Works fine on test. >>> >>> >>I find that, for some unknown reason, screensavers do not work >>automatically for me >>(neither in Fedora nor Kubuntu, on this same hardware, although, at one >>time they did... >>just stopped once and never worked again). >>However, if I lock session, they come on just fine, which has become my >>practice. >>Could you be experiencing the same phenomenon? Try locking your session >>to check. >> >> > >The screen saver begins immediately when the session is locked. It's the >automatic starting that doesn't work. > > > > Yep..same thing I´ve been experiencing for a bit over a year. I´d like to see if you find a resolution. Tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From fsunoles at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 18:06:59 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:06:59 -0700 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75db45220701251006n26f50f78j27ef20b54f4c4aca@mail.gmail.com> On 1/25/07, Chris Miller wrote: > On 1/25/07, Homer wrote: > > Thanks for the comments. One thing I'm sure of it is not the > > connection at my end. Government lab with connections to the abilene > > backbone. I wish I could choose my mirror with (K)ubuntu like I do on > > all my Debian installs. With Debian I can pick a close university or > > gov lab on the Abilene network and the connection is always amazing. > > With (K)ubuntu you get what you get. Maybe I'm wrong on this though, > > as I can't claim to have done an exhaustive search on ubuntu mirrors. > > That's curious. I live right next to the Lawrence Livermore Nat'l > Labratories (okay, in neighboring Pleasanton, but pretty dang close) > and the lab's Debian servers were never the cream of the crop when I > ran that-apt-utility-that-finds-the-fastest-mirror-that-I-forgot-the-name-of, > yet the Ubuntu mirrors for me are roughly 3x as fast as the fastest > Debian one. Living next door may not be enough in my experience. If you are on the Abilene network and connect to another computer on the same network the speeds are amazing. That said, I've never tried connecting to LLNL. Lately my best successes have been with Oregon State, University of Chicago, Argonne Nat. Lab, and Berkeley. With Debian installs I can pick one of these locations which is nice. I've pulled 700 MB isos from these places in 5-7 minutes, so when a Kubuntu 150 MB update takes something like 30 minutes, it gets frustrating. From m-wright at eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 19:04:41 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:04:41 -0800 Subject: Dapper LTS boot failure References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> <45B8E6CD.2030906@optonline.net> Message-ID: <45B8FF49.2040109@eskimo.com> I'm using Dapper (6.06 LTS) on a Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 laptop. I've encountered a failure to boot up. The failure occurs at "mounting root filesystems." The system diverts to the built-in shell "ash" after the messages listed below are displayed: Is there any way to recover from this failure without reinstalling Kubuntu? ------------------------- Booting 'Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-23-386' root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1c00, size=0x15774d] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-23-386 [Linux-initrd @ 0xb81c000, 0x673bf7 bytes] savedefault boot Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel. mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: No such device mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory Target filesytem doesn't have /sbin/init BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 1:1.01-4ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off # -------------------------- Thanks, Maynard From oub at mat.ucm.es Thu Jan 25 19:13:19 2007 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:13:19 +0100 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? Message-ID: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Hello I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to install Kubuntu. In step 4 I have to resize the disk and to chose the file system for the different partions. To my surprise I find among others ex3 xfs jfs but not reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that option in a different way? Thanks Uwe Brauer From lure at ubuntu.com Thu Jan 25 19:39:52 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:39:52 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: <200701251246.00482.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251334.32331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701251246.00482.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <200701252039.52297.lure@ubuntu.com> On Thursday 25. of January 2007 12:46:00 Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > On Thursday 25 January 2007 12:34, you wrote: > > > Thank you for your help, but I was looking for a way to do it via KDE. > > > Besides, I use OpenOffice often, and it looks like the method you > > > suggest clashes with it. > > > > Hi, I am not sure what you mean by "do it via KDE" -- I am sure I > > misunderstand you. > > With "do it via KDE" I mean that temporary layout switches should work > just checking the approppriate checkbox in the KDE Control Center -> > Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout -> Xkb Options. They don't and that > bugs me (pun intended). > Exactly the same thing bothered me for some time (I am using English and Slovene and use slovene only occasionally). Then I have found the great "Compose" function. You just need to assign "Compose" function (sometimes also named Multi_key) to one of the keys on your keyboard. You can do this in: 1. System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout -> Xkb Options 2. Set "Enable xkb options" 3. Under "Options", find and select "Compose Key Position" 4. Select one of the available key mappings (I use "Menu is Compose") Now you can use Compose key to generate accented letters - for example: c c => č c s => š c z => ž s s => ß For a list of Compose combinations you can look into /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose file. Regards, Luka From xxmkrxx at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 19:42:14 2007 From: xxmkrxx at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:42:14 -0500 Subject: Dapper LTS boot failure In-Reply-To: <45B8FF49.2040109@eskimo.com> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701250855.21244.michael@weblore.com> <45B8C84A.1010703@optonline.net> <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> <45B8E6CD.2030906@optonline.net> <45B8FF49.2040109@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <8c2876850701251142u25e88c60ja06a77c67e258a2c@mail.gmail.com> Have you recently made any changes to boot order in the BIOS? The problem appears to start with it not finding /dev/hda1, which snowballs in to the other errors. On 1/25/07, Maynard Wright wrote: > I'm using Dapper (6.06 LTS) on a Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 laptop. > I've encountered a failure to boot up. The failure occurs at "mounting > root filesystems." The system diverts to the built-in shell "ash" after > the messages listed below are displayed: > > Is there any way to recover from this failure without reinstalling Kubuntu? > > > ------------------------- > > Booting 'Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-23-386' > > root (hd0,0) > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash > [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1c00, size=0x15774d] > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-23-386 > [Linux-initrd @ 0xb81c000, 0x673bf7 bytes] > savedefault > boot > Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel. > mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: No such device > mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or > directory > mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory > mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory > Target filesytem doesn't have /sbin/init > > BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 1:1.01-4ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off > # > > -------------------------- > > Thanks, > > Maynard > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From joantur at cancullet.org Thu Jan 25 19:58:56 2007 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:58:56 +0100 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? In-Reply-To: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Message-ID: <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 20:13, en Uwe Brauer va escriure: | Hello | | I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to install Kubuntu. In | step 4 I have to resize the disk and to chose the file system for the | different partions. To my surprise I find among others ex3 xfs jfs but | not reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that option in a | different way? Reiser is available through the alternate CD ;) -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Maynard ---------------------- MKR wrote: >Have you recently made any changes to boot order in the BIOS? > >The problem appears to start with it not finding /dev/hda1, which >snowballs in to the other errors. > >On 1/25/07, Maynard Wright wrote: > > >>I'm using Dapper (6.06 LTS) on a Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 laptop. >> I've encountered a failure to boot up. The failure occurs at "mounting >>root filesystems." The system diverts to the built-in shell "ash" after >>the messages listed below are displayed: >> >>Is there any way to recover from this failure without reinstalling Kubuntu? >> >> >>------------------------- >> >> Booting 'Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-23-386' >> >>root (hd0,0) >> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 >>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash >> [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1c00, size=0x15774d] >>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-23-386 >> [Linux-initrd @ 0xb81c000, 0x673bf7 bytes] >>savedefault >>boot >>Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel. >>mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: No such device >>mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or >>directory >>mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory >>mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory >>Target filesytem doesn't have /sbin/init >> >>BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 1:1.01-4ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) >>Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. >> >>/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off >># >> >>-------------------------- >> >>Thanks, >> >>Maynard >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>kubuntu-users mailing list >>kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > > From brymelvin at melvinart.com Thu Jan 25 20:54:00 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:54:00 -0700 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? In-Reply-To: <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> Message-ID: <1169758440.6664.3.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 20:58 +0100, Joan Tur wrote: > Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 20:13, en Uwe Brauer va escriure: > | Hello > | > | I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to install Kubuntu. In > | step 4 I have to resize the disk and to chose the file system for the > | different partions. To my surprise I find among others ex3 xfs jfs but > | not reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that option in a > | different way? > Reiser is available through the alternate CD ;) > I don't know how many and if other people work on maintenance of Reiser FS but: but the author has recently been arrested for murdering his wife. It is not clear if Reiser FS will continue at this time. From garryknight at gmx.net Thu Jan 25 21:15:34 2007 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:15:34 +0000 Subject: korganizer References: <200701251150.04448.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: Alain Muls wrote: > Since I started kontact, I am no longer able to open korganizer without > opening kontact. How can I restore this? You could just click the icon in the notification area at the right-hand end of your kicker bar - the one that looks like a calendar page with a handbell overlaid on it. Or you could press Alt+F2 to open a Run Command dialog and enter "/usr/bin/korganizer" (without the quotes). Or you could right-click the desktop and select Create New/Link to Application. Change the name on the General tab to Korganizer and click the icon then select the default Korganizer one (Enter 'korg' in the Search box to find it. On the Application tab, enter "/usr/bin/korganizer" (without the quotes) and anything you like for the Comment and Description. Press OK and you have a new icon on your desk. You could set up an entry on the menu for Korganizer by right-cliking the menu icon and selecting Menu Editor. Add a new entry using the same parameters you would use to set up the desktop icon. Once you've set up a menu icon, you can add it to the Kicker bar by right-clicking the Kicker, selecting Panel Menu, Add Application To Panel, and navigating to the menu item. There are probably other ways, but those should keep you busy for a while. :-) -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From lists at ptfd.org Thu Jan 25 21:30:14 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:30:14 -0500 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: <45B2CFD2.4000203@iinet.net.au> References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> <45B2CFD2.4000203@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <200701251630.14844.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 20 January 2007 09:28:34 pm neil.linux wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > > Harold Hartley wrote: > >> I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to > >> block specific web sites that will work with firefox or with konqueror. > >> I need to block some site from my computer when someone is using the > >> computer. > >> I'm sure you parents out there must use something like I'm looking for. > >> > >> Harold > > > > Perhaps dansguardian? I know it's available in Debian, so should be in > > Kubuntu, too. > > dansguardian is available in the Universe repository. You will need to add > this to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Harold, You get this working? Mike From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Thu Jan 25 22:25:27 2007 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:25:27 -0500 Subject: Samba Problem -- Can't login to local machine? Message-ID: <200701251725.28181.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> When I run SMB4K, there is a problem. When clicking on my workgroup, I am told "ACCESS WAS DENIED TO DESKTOP-TILLEYRW". DESKTOP-TILLEYRW is the default name that the Kubuntu installer gave to my deskop. I am trying to access my Windows share and can't do that unless I can open my local usergroup. Where can I turn for help? I think my basic configuration file has errors. Thanks, Bob -- Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. -- Shakespeare From haroldh at midmaine.com Thu Jan 25 22:51:12 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:51:12 -0500 Subject: Web site blocking In-Reply-To: <200701251630.14844.lists@ptfd.org> References: <45B1FDBA.8060309@midmaine.com> <45B20317.7010604@tiscali.co.uk> <45B2CFD2.4000203@iinet.net.au> <200701251630.14844.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <45B93460.6020503@midmaine.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Saturday 20 January 2007 09:28:34 pm neil.linux wrote: >> Wulfy wrote: >>> Harold Hartley wrote: >>>> I am wondering if anyone knows of a linux program that will allow me to >>>> block specific web sites that will work with firefox or with konqueror. >>>> I need to block some site from my computer when someone is using the >>>> computer. >>>> I'm sure you parents out there must use something like I'm looking for. >>>> >>>> Harold >>> Perhaps dansguardian? I know it's available in Debian, so should be in >>> Kubuntu, too. >> dansguardian is available in the Universe repository. You will need to add >> this to your /etc/apt/sources.list. > Harold, > You get this working? > > Mike > Yes I did and thanks for all the info... Works great.. Harold From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 25 23:10:11 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:10:11 -0400 Subject: SAMBA and Windows References: <64bb86df0701240344j4cc7b1cpc90e33d98d8eed77@mail.gmail.com> <64bb86df0701240637y30ea6416ib7fb59e0f18069ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Carlos Barros wrote: > On 1/24/07, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Carlos Barros wrote: >> >> > Ok, here is my doubt: >> > Is it possible to make Windows access a share (and list available ones) >> > without a password?? I know Linux does this, but all you know, windows >> > is kinda stupid :) >> >> Linux doesn't do it any more than Windows does - I just expect you set >> the same password in smbpasswd as you specified in your personal network >> configuration. > > But, if you do a smbclient -L localhost and hit enter when it asks for a > password, > I get a share lists.. I cant do that in windows! > But you have to give it a password too. Perhaps, _like_ Windows, it will try your current username/passwrod, but you _do_ give it a password - generally under "System Settings/Sharing/Local Network Browsing. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 25 23:14:18 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:14:18 -0400 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251334.32331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701251246.00482.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701252039.52297.lure@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Luka Renko wrote: > Now you can use Compose key to generate accented letters - for example: > c c => ? > c s => ? > c z => ? > s s => ß > > For a list of Compose combinations you can look > into /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose file. You know, I could have sworn I had tried this and it didn't work, but on retrying, sure enough it does. Thanks, Luka. -- derek From fsunoles at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 23:39:28 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:28 -0700 Subject: fstab, disk mounting problem Message-ID: <75db45220701251539g553fd116kc9c477fadb09fc6@mail.gmail.com> With 6.10 AMD64 installed, the following line in my fstab file worked fine: /dev/sdd1 /z ext3 defaults 0 2 The disk is a Seagate 750 GB SATA with an Addonics SATA/SCSI converter connected. I've since regressed my OS to 6.06.1 LTS i386 and now that same fstab line results in the following error on boot (exactly as presented): root at machine:~# s: command not foundhell and continue system startup.found. al If I exit the prompt at that point the boot up continues and the drive is mounted. I can read and write to the drive without problems. I'm at a loss on this one. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 25 23:15:31 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:15:31 -0400 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <20070125123452.2b754d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701251255.44069.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251119.47566.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I can offer no help, but I can confirm that the KDE Xkb options bits have > never worked correctly for me through many generations of XFree86/X.org > and > KDE. I have no idea why. As you say, the checkboxes are there; they just > don't work. Worked for me... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 25 23:16:59 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:16:59 -0400 Subject: korganizer References: <200701251150.04448.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: Garry Knight wrote: > Alain Muls wrote: > >> Since I started kontact, I am no longer able to open korganizer without >> opening kontact. How can I restore this? > > You could just click the icon in the notification area at the right-hand > end of your kicker bar - the one that looks like a calendar page with a > handbell overlaid on it. > > Or you could press Alt+F2 to open a Run Command dialog and > enter "/usr/bin/korganizer" (without the quotes). > > Or you could right-click the desktop and select Create New/Link to > Application. None of those will work. Once kontact is running, any attempt to open a kontact component will cause it to open inside kontact. I complained about that shortly after it was implemented, but apparently the devs think its proper behavior. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 25 23:19:39 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:19:39 -0400 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> <1169758440.6664.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: bryann wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 20:58 +0100, Joan Tur wrote: >> Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 20:13, en Uwe Brauer va escriure: >> | Hello >> | >> | I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to install Kubuntu. In >> | step 4 I have to resize the disk and to chose the file system for the >> | different partions. To my surprise I find among o >> | not reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that option in a >> | different way? >> Reiser is available through the alternate CD ;) >> > I don't know how many and if other people work on maintenance of Reiser > FS but: but the author has recently been arrested for murdering his > wife. It is not clear if Reiser FS will continue at this time. Whether true or not, making it available _only_ on the alternate CD seems a little extreme, since the last time I did a full install of Ubuntu I'm fairly sure it defaulted to Reiser. (In fact, this time I did everything with XFS because I have become somewhat disillusioned with Reiser). -- derek From fsunoles at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 23:59:54 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:59:54 -0700 Subject: lm-sensors Message-ID: <75db45220701251559k34ef7794g60e25ceb22aff2f3@mail.gmail.com> Kubuntu 6.06.1 i386 ASUS M2N32 WS motherboard I just went through the lm-sensors install and detect procedure as usual. The following was found: ########### # Generated by sensors-detect on Thu Jan 25 16:45:43 2007 # I2C adapter drivers # modprobe unknown adapter NVIDIA I2C Device i2c-isa # I2C chip drivers eeprom it87 I added those to /etc/modules, did a modprobe and have even rebooted, but the only temp I get with gkrellm is "thermal_zone/THRM" and that is always at 40.0C. No fans or voltages either. The MB is pretty recent, so maybe that's the problem, but I thought I'd toss it out there in case one of you have a suggestion or two. From rbmorse at comcast.net Fri Jan 26 00:25:52 2007 From: rbmorse at comcast.net (Ron Morse) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:25:52 -0700 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? In-Reply-To: References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <1169758440.6664.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701251725.52447.rbmorse@comcast.net> Ubuntu defaults to EXT3 Ron Morse On Thursday 25 January 2007 16:19, Derek Broughton wrote: > bryann wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 20:58 +0100, Joan Tur wrote: > >> Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 20:13, en Uwe Brauer va escriure: > >> | Hello > >> | > >> | I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to install > >> | Kubuntu. In step 4 I have to resize the disk and to chose the > >> | file system for the different partions. To my surprise I find > >> | among o > >> | not reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that > >> | option in a different way? > >> > >> Reiser is available through the alternate CD ;) > > > > I don't know how many and if other people work on maintenance of > > Reiser FS but: but the author has recently been arrested for > > murdering his wife. It is not clear if Reiser FS will continue at > > this time. > > Whether true or not, making it available _only_ on the alternate CD > seems a little extreme, since the last time I did a full install of > Ubuntu I'm fairly sure it defaulted to Reiser. > > (In fact, this time I did everything with XFS because I have become > somewhat disillusioned with Reiser). > -- > derek From garryknight at gmx.net Fri Jan 26 00:32:14 2007 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:32:14 +0000 Subject: korganizer References: <200701251150.04448.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: Derek Broughton wrote: > None of those will work. Once kontact is running, any attempt to open a > kontact component will cause it to open inside kontact. It shouldn't be a problem. If Kontact is running, Korganizer will open inside Kontact. If it isn't running, then it will open on its own. The OP didn't say that Kontact was running when he tried to open Korganizer. But on re-reading his post, that could be what he meant. I guess we'll just have to wait and see... -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Fri Jan 26 01:46:27 2007 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:46:27 -0500 Subject: Samba --> Cannot Access Local Machine? Message-ID: <200701252046.27956.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> In SMB4K, when I click on my local network the message "An error occurred trying to get the list of shares." is returned. Because of this, I cannot access my Windows shares __through the GUI__. Using the "Shares/Mount Manually" command, I can easily mount my Windows share. Something must be confusing Samba when browsing the local network. My knowledge is too limited to even guess at a reason. If anyone could lend an idea to my problem, I would spit-shine their toenails for a year! (Uggh! That's a nasty image.) Thanks, Bob -- Tomorrow, you can be anywhere. From brymelvin at melvinart.com Fri Jan 26 02:29:10 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (bryann) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:29:10 -0700 Subject: Samba --> Cannot Access Local Machine? In-Reply-To: <200701252046.27956.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200701252046.27956.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1169778550.10148.24.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 20:46 -0500, Robert Tilley wrote: > In SMB4K, when I click on my local network the message "An error occurred > trying to get the list of shares." is returned. Because of this, I cannot > access my Windows shares __through the GUI__. > > Using the "Shares/Mount Manually" command, I can easily mount my Windows > share. > > Something must be confusing Samba when browsing the local network. My > knowledge is too limited to even guess at a reason. If anyone could lend an > idea to my problem, I would spit-shine their toenails for a year! (Uggh! > That's a nasty image.) > > Thanks, Bob > -- > Tomorrow, you can be anywhere. > I have a mixed windows/samba/mac network here I found the Unnoficial Ubuntu guide section on networking very useful when I set it up. I use USER not SHARE for access If you DON'T use one machine either windows or linux/samba as a wins server you need to use fixed IP addresses AND a hosts file in windows Lastly I use firestarter or McCaffee(win32) firewall on all machines to controll access If something doesn't go through I want , I use the firewall gui to allow the service or connection from that IP address. I have the smb workgroup AND the TCPIP network dommain the SAME name. I have EVERYTHING on fixed ip addresses EVEN wireless machines and the full host file on all machines. The only things that DOESN'T work is win XP machines have trouble printing to some printers as there is no Network driver available of some of the printers. Legacy windows machines are fine as I can install the printer as a local, and then change it to network,not quite as crippled as XP. Also I haven't gotten a WinXP HOME computer to be able to access the linux/samba file servers IT CAN get to the gateway and Legacy windows machines "out of the box". I haven't had time to look at this yet in detail, as long as it accesses the internet it's user( my daughter in law) is happy. This is an authentication issue I think...It does access my printers but can;t print on some due to the aforementioned lack of driver. There are alternate drivers but the resolution suffers. FWIW all printers on the net are shared via SMB due to the mixed nature. Lastly NEVER use any kde or gnome smb gui OR swat if you edit smb.conf manually or vice versa. None of the gui tools work well with a manually edited config file,OR a file that has been edited with a different tool. (I learned this the hard way.) except for SWAT and that needs work to get running in Ubuntu (as does the cups we interface). Best results getting things started to work was copy and paste from the "unnoficial Ubuntu guide" If this helps I'll still pass up the offer about the toenails, Bryann From michael at weblore.com Fri Jan 26 03:18:22 2007 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:18:22 -0600 Subject: Screen saver not working In-Reply-To: <45B8E6CD.2030906@optonline.net> References: <200701242231.26405.michael@weblore.com> <200701251048.02945.michael@weblore.com> <45B8E6CD.2030906@optonline.net> Message-ID: <200701252118.22638.michael@weblore.com> On Thursday 25 January 2007 11:20, anthony baldwin wrote: > Michael Satterwhite wrote: > >On Thursday 25 January 2007 09:10, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>Michael Satterwhite wrote: > >>>On Thursday 25 January 2007 01:34, Donn wrote: > >>>>>that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to > >>>>>configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. > >>>>>What would cause it not to work? > >>>> > >>>>What saver is it? Perhaps its a GL thing and your 3d drivers are not > >>>>working. Perhaps it's a dud saver. Hit the test button and see if the > >>>>saver runs ok at all. > >>> > >>>Works fine on test. > >> > >>I find that, for some unknown reason, screensavers do not work > >>automatically for me > >>(neither in Fedora nor Kubuntu, on this same hardware, although, at one > >>time they did... > >>just stopped once and never worked again). > >>However, if I lock session, they come on just fine, which has become my > >>practice. > >>Could you be experiencing the same phenomenon? Try locking your session > >>to check. > > > >The screen saver begins immediately when the session is locked. It's the > >automatic starting that doesn't work. > > Yep..same thing I´ve been experiencing for a bit over a year. > I´d like to see if you find a resolution. I searched the KDE forums and finally found something similar. It was reported that the screensaver would not start if power management (in the Control Center under "Display") was disabled. I tested this on my system and it appears to be the issue. I've looked in the KDE Bug list, and I don't see this issue reported. I've just entered it into the database. From neil.linux at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 26 03:44:13 2007 From: neil.linux at iinet.net.au (neil.linux) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:44:13 +1100 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B9790D.1070301@iinet.net.au> Homer wrote: > Thanks for the comments. One thing I'm sure of it is not the > connection at my end. Government lab with connections to the abilene > backbone. I wish I could choose my mirror with (K)ubuntu like I do on > all my Debian installs. With Debian I can pick a close university or > gov lab on the Abilene network and the connection is always amazing. > With (K)ubuntu you get what you get. Maybe I'm wrong on this though, > as I can't claim to have done an exhaustive search on ubuntu mirrors. > > If you have a mirror in mind and it has the repositories you need why no just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the url to the mirror? This is assuming that you have root access to your machine and that their are no firewalls blocking access to the mirror ftp site. I've done this so I can access my ISPs mirror of the (k)ubuntu repositories and get good bandwidth speeds and am not charged for the downloads. Neil B Melbourne, Australia From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 06:51:08 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:51:08 +0200 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701260851.08651.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > When you delete stuff in KDE, that dialogue box opens and takes a bunch of > seconds to draw and then go away again. Is there any way to tell KDE to not > show the box? > Just delete. Zip. Gone. Don't tell me about it, I know -- I pressed delete. Any ideas? /d From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Jan 26 06:28:32 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:28:32 -0800 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> <1169758440.6664.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87r6ti8fov.fsf@fjellstad.org> bryann writes: > I don't know how many and if other people work on maintenance of > Reiser FS but: but the author has recently been arrested for murdering > his wife. It is not clear if Reiser FS will continue at this time. There is a whole company maintaining reiserfs, namely namesys. DARPA sponsors reiserfs4. The filesystem is also opensource and part of linux, so if it maintainence gets dropped by namesys, I bet someone will pick up the slack. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Fri Jan 26 08:32:38 2007 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:32:38 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251119.47566.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701260932.39212.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Friday 26 January 2007 00:15, Derek Broughton wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > I can offer no help, but I can confirm that the KDE Xkb options bits have > > never worked correctly for me through many generations of XFree86/X.org > > and > > KDE. I have no idea why. As you say, the checkboxes are there; they > > just don't work. > > Worked for me... Really? On Ubuntu Edgy, KDE 3.5.5? What did you do? - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From oub at mat.ucm.es Fri Jan 26 10:29:26 2007 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:29:26 +0100 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> Message-ID: <873b5yqdx5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> >>>>> "Joan" == Joan Tur writes: Joan> Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 20:13, en Uwe Brauer va Joan> escriure: | Hello Joan> | Joan> | I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to Joan> install Kubuntu. In step 4 I have to resize the disk and Joan> to chose the file system for the different partions. To Joan> my surprise I find among others ex3 xfs jfs but not Joan> reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that Joan> option in a different way? Reiser is available through Joan> the alternate CD ;) Sorry to show my ignorance, but what is the alternate CD. I just downloaded the official kubuntu CD from www.kubuntu.org. So where can I find the alternate? Uwe Brauer From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 10:31:42 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:31:42 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages Message-ID: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of what went wrong ;-) Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 10:41:23 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:41:23 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701261241.23849.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php Yeah, but not for Dapper :( /d From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 10:41:22 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:41:22 +0200 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? In-Reply-To: <873b5yqdx5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <200701252058.58693.joantur@cancullet.org> <873b5yqdx5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Message-ID: <45B9DAD2.4030408@gmail.com> Uwe Brauer wrote: >>>>>> "Joan" == Joan Tur writes: > > Joan> Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 20:13, en Uwe Brauer va > Joan> escriure: | Hello > Joan> | > Joan> | I have used Debian unstable for years and tried to > Joan> install Kubuntu. In step 4 I have to resize the disk and > Joan> to chose the file system for the different partions. To > Joan> my surprise I find among others ex3 xfs jfs but not > Joan> reiserfs. Is there any reason, or shall I select that > Joan> option in a different way? Reiser is available through > Joan> the alternate CD ;) > > Sorry to show my ignorance, but what is the alternate CD. I just > downloaded the official kubuntu CD from www.kubuntu.org. > > So where can I find the alternate? > You should go to kubuntu.org, choose downloads and opt for a location near you but here is a sample link; http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/ you open this and you see "Alternate CD" a bit down the page. It is a text-based installer and no "Live"-CD. Sinclair From tanghus at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 12:26:57 2007 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:26:57 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> On Friday den 26. January 2007 11:31, O. Sinclair wrote: > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > what went wrong ;-) Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > Sinclair -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thomas Olsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From infopipe at gmx.net Fri Jan 26 12:29:43 2007 From: infopipe at gmx.net (Bernhard Breinbauer) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:29:43 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701261329.48334.infopipe@gmx.net> Am Freitag 26 Januar 2007 schrieb O. Sinclair: > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > what went wrong ;-) Update was smooth. At the moment my only problem is that basket is missing in kontact. But this is probably my fault, i built basket myself. (Maybe someone has an idea why basket is not showing up in kontact?) regards, bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kubuntu at kitterman.com Fri Jan 26 12:41:52 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:41:52 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701260741.52363.kubuntu@kitterman.com> On Friday 26 January 2007 05:31, O. Sinclair wrote: > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > what went wrong ;-) > > Sinclair No problems here except I had to re-add an icon that I previously manually added. Scott K From lists at ptfd.org Fri Jan 26 13:14:56 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:14:56 -0500 Subject: raki-synce kde-3.5.6 broken Message-ID: <200701260814.57154.lists@ptfd.org> Raki seem broken with 3.5.6, it crashes everytime you try to sync your ppc.. No real messages when started with a console, just gets all the records from teh ppc and then crashes. Mike From jriddell at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 26 13:15:25 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:15:25 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 01:26:57PM +0100, Thomas Olsen wrote: > Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release not one with the latest packages. Jonathan From lists at ptfd.org Fri Jan 26 13:18:37 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:18:37 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701260818.37273.lists@ptfd.org> On Friday 26 January 2007 05:31:42 am O. Sinclair wrote: > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > what went wrong ;-) > > Sinclair The only thing I found so far is that raki now crashes when attempting to sync my pocketpc... Mike From joantur at cancullet.org Fri Jan 26 14:52:26 2007 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:52:26 +0100 Subject: korganizer In-Reply-To: References: <200701251150.04448.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200701261552.28503.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Dijous, 25 de Gener de 2007 22:15, en Garry Knight va escriure: | Or you could press Alt+F2 to open a Run Command dialog and | enter "/usr/bin/korganizer" (without the quotes). Al standard programs in linux are installed in the path, so writing "korganizer" is enough to run it ;) -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From golfbuf at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 14:59:49 2007 From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:59:49 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701260818.37273.lists@ptfd.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701260818.37273.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <835a7820701260659s21e582d5le1748451af5d1fa3@mail.gmail.com> On 1/26/07, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Friday 26 January 2007 05:31:42 am O. Sinclair wrote: > > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > > what went wrong ;-) works fine here .. thanks for the great job again. regards, From binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:34:22 2007 From: binary_y2k2 at blueyonder.co.uk (Tez) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:34:22 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BA1F7E.6030701@blueyonder.co.uk> O. Sinclair wrote: > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > what went wrong ;-) > > Sinclair > > Works great so far, it's also in the main feisty repo now :) Tez From ejviolet at yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 15:38:14 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:38:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Samba --> Cannot Access Local Machine? In-Reply-To: <200701252046.27956.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <287730.30361.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Robert Tilley wrote: > In SMB4K, when I click on my local network the message "An error > occurred > trying to get the list of shares." is returned. Because of this, I > cannot > access my Windows shares __through the GUI__. > > Using the "Shares/Mount Manually" command, I can easily mount my > Windows > share. > > Something must be confusing Samba when browsing the local network. > > Thanks, Bob This might not apply as I am running Debian Etch on my Sun Ultra 60 file server but this is the way I set up my Samba shares. I have Widows XP Home and Win2K (using Fat 32) computers on my home network. Everyone can see each other fine although Win XP has it's moments. I have mostly static IP addresses. ---------------- smb.conf file reads: [global] workgroup = rachea security = share server string = Samba Server [samba share] path = /samba writable = yes guest ok = yes ------------------ I then set the permissions for the directory /samba as follows: chmod 777 -R /samba Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From rcb at digitalanswers.biz Fri Jan 26 15:41:00 2007 From: rcb at digitalanswers.biz (Rick Chagouri-Brindle) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:41:00 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BA210C.3090005@digitalanswers.biz> O. Sinclair wrote: > I just saw that KDE 3.5.6 has been released with KDE packages; > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php > > any daring soul out there who has installed and have some experiences of > what went wrong ;-) > > Sinclair > No problems at all here, very smooth indeed!!! I was almost expecting issues because I did a manual update to OpenOffice 2.1 at the same time!!! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 16:03:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:03:41 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release > not one with the latest packages. What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? /d From jriddell at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 26 16:15:24 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:15:24 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:03:41PM +0200, Donn wrote: > > > Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > > I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release > > not one with the latest packages. > What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. Jonathan From kubuntu at kitterman.com Fri Jan 26 16:46:53 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:46:53 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200701261146.53338.kubuntu@kitterman.com> On Friday 26 January 2007 11:15, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:03:41PM +0200, Donn wrote: > > > > Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > > > > > > I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release > > > not one with the latest packages. > > > > What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? > > Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. > Yes, but Dapper was released with 3.5.2. You've published updated packages for 3.5.3 - 3.5.5. I would certainly appreciate it if you'd do the same for 3.5.6 with the (continued) understanding that the officially released KDE version (the one with the LTS guarantee) is 3.5.2. Scott K From netmaxd at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 26 16:55:26 2007 From: netmaxd at yahoo.ca (netMax d) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:55:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <937378.57381.qm@web34814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release > not one with the latest packages. What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? /d -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Humm, I does not understand the stable word very well! Dapper 6.06 LTS? 3 years for desktop? In kde 3.5.5, they have several bugs there to correct, (crash landing, wrong indentation. .etc). Kde 3.5.6 repairs these bugs. In my opinion, the version kde 3.5.6 makes more stable the series Kde 3.5. Version 3.5.6 is not a major change in the continuity of the series Kde 3.5! If I takes as example, in Konqueror: Does Fix crash landing when scanning for new plugins, Fix crash landing after have batch of cut&paste operations in tree view etc (see the changelog on Kde.org) Kubuntu Dapper LTS, Konqueror is stable ? Kde 3.5.6 makes version 3.5.5 more stable, and either unstable! --------------------------------- Personnalisez Yahoo! à votre goût Essayez Mon Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 17:19:30 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:19:30 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200701261919.30516.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. Okay, this will sound harsh and flame-like, bear in mind that I am a determined Linux user: Stable is a misleading word. What should be said is "static" or "stagnant". This problem of distros being left "frozen" in time is a real one. It means Linux can never compete with Windows because it's not one O/S it's a new one every 6 months. Each of those islands of O/S are left alone to gradually sink behind the horizon as new software releases keep pace with the latest release. Something is wrong with this picture. I do not say this to insult or hurt feelings. I say it with some insight to the complexity of a system like Ubuntu. Even so, I still feel that it's a problem. At the very least users should be able to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu from *any* prior version without having to go through all the animals inbetween. Donn. From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jan 26 16:17:22 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:17:22 -0500 Subject: kaffeine borked Message-ID: <200701261117.31271.art.alexion@verizon.net> I lost access to the some of the player engines and the entire playlist menu when I invoke kaffeine. Specifically, I can no longer choose between kaffeine.part and kaboodle.part. Seems the xine engine is stuck on kaboodle. The "Player" menu has no entries. Seems this happened when I switched to mplayer (or kmplayer) as the engine, and then switched back to xine. The kmplayer engine is unacceptable because (1) it insists on changing screen resolution, and (2) it traps the mouse in the screen area while playing. I have to stop by keyboard before doing anything else. I don't like kaboodle because I can't switch the display of elapsed vs. remaining time. I no longer have access to the screenshot toolbar button. kaffeine still uses kaffeine.part when embedded in konqueror, but no access to kaffeine menus and toolbars (only konqueror menus and toolbars). Kaffeine as kaboodle can't play DVDs. KDE 3.5.5 in Dapper. Any ideas how to restore this? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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Dapper 6.06 LTS? stable - plein, firme, dans le logiciel- prêt pour le dégagement public, par opposition au bêta / logiciel qui est expérimental, pour des réalisateurs seulement > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Personnalisez Yahoo! à votre goût *Essayez Mon Yahoo!* > -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com - translation & interpreting: English, Français, Español & Português http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From brymelvin at melvinart.com Fri Jan 26 18:53:34 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:53:34 -0700 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701261919.30516.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261919.30516.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169837615.5564.43.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 19:19 +0200, Donn wrote: > > Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. > Okay, this will sound harsh and flame-like, bear in mind that I am a > determined Linux user: Stable is a misleading word. What should be said > is "static" or "stagnant". > > This problem of distros being left "frozen" in time is a real one. It means > Linux can never compete with Windows because it's not one O/S it's a new one > every 6 months. Each of those islands of O/S are left alone to gradually sink > behind the horizon as new software releases keep pace with the latest > release. Something is wrong with this picture. > > I do not say this to insult or hurt feelings. I say it with some insight to > the complexity of a system like Ubuntu. Even so, I still feel that it's a > problem. At the very least users should be able to upgrade to the latest > Ubuntu from *any* prior version without having to go through all the animals > inbetween. > > > > Donn. > I have to agree with Mr Riddel on this one. I use 606 BECAUSE it is "stable" "stagnant" or possibly somewhat "dormant" vs. fluid. I actually would like to see SOME things done in backports like OOo, HPILP, gutenprint etc, but accept that it may not be practical to do so. People like me (small business) use 606 as an alternative to RHEL or Novell desktop/SuSE. We want something that is going to not have us asking questions and fixing the computers all the time. Once we get something added we want it to work for a good long period again before we risk breaking our systems with something new. I don't see this as a handicap vs windows. In fact I still DO have both a windows98 and ME machine that do specific tasks these machines are Frozen at an update level preceding the final one specifically to avoid conflicts with essential software. We're not alone: businesses all over do this. FWIW we have been able to cut down on using these obsolete machines drastically lately thanks to the release of Crossover6. We also tend to diverge from the "pure" distro which can cause other problems if we were to constantly update unnecessarily. EX I have several ppc and pc they all run dapper. They all have HPILP 1.6.12 later sane and later XSANE packages compiled by us along with some other items not even IN repositories these have been tested by us for our work, passed muster and kept to give full functionality to newer equipment. If something doesn't add an important function we don't really want to add it. Yes windows has constant updates in a totally linear manner. That's why businesses often don't implement those updates. Updates often break systems. Because businesses may need to add software NOT in the repos this complicates matters. There is also a chain effect. Should I put OUR hplip for dapper in the repos You would also need to remove all the repos scanning packages hpoj hpijs foomatic, and more, as there are conflicts with overwriting files that are in multiple pacakges. at some point the LTS distro would be getting into unstable untested area do to the vast differences between machines. Businesses add change things too but at a slower pace...for us items pertaining to graphics production, but not across the entire spectrum of software. We STILL have the stable base of Dapper to do our custom additions to. We only "stick our neck out" in areas applicable directly to our work. Bryann From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 19:33:29 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:33:29 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <1169837615.5564.43.camel@localhost> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261919.30516.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1169837615.5564.43.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701262133.29439.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, thanks for your input. > People like me (small business) use 606 as an alternative to RHEL or > Novell desktop/SuSE. We want something that is going to not have us > asking questions and fixing the computers all the time. Once we get > something added we want it to work for a good long period again before > we risk breaking our systems with something new. I absolutely see your point. I am coming from a semi-business pov as designer. I use the computer for graphics tools and as such, the latest software is always important as each new version brings things that could not be done before. In terms of not wanting to take chances versus getting all the latest stuff, should there not be a compromise? Perhaps a dialog (or text file :) ) that lets you and me (the users) tick what stuff we want to keep "cutting-edge" and what stuff we want to keep conservative. Then apt-get and related systems could work around that. If (I should say when) a point comes that a new upgrade would require too much related newness then I would be facing a dist-upgrade and you would be fine as your long-term system is still exactly as you want it to be. This keeps my install fresh and keeps your install conservative. I freely confess that the devil is in the millions of tiny details that make one version of a distro differ from another. I may be being totally unreasonable with this line of thought. My basic quandry is: A. I want to keep up to date with certain essential software (like browsers, email clients, design apps, window managers, desktops, office apps). B. I want to install once and then rely on my /home folder always working (with small tweaks as per need). When I "move-in" to a distro this is a process of many little comforts: dozens of scripts to do stuff I want, right-click menu items written, paths setup and .bash* files changed. Address Books. Favourites. Downloads in progress. All manner of custom changes get made, especially over a period like a year. Now, along comes a new version of a distro... suddenly I must choose. If I go with A I kiss-off a lot of B. If I stay with B then I can't upgrade. Even you, with a business as described, might come to a day when you need software that just plain is not available. Now you face the horror of option A vs option B only on a far more complex set of customizations. Perhaps my point is a non-point. I just can't believe that this quandry is not known and planned-for. /d From jeremy at jdli.net Fri Jan 26 19:45:15 2007 From: jeremy at jdli.net (Jeremy Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:45:15 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200701261445.15585.jeremy@jdli.net> On Friday 26 January 2007 11:15, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:03:41PM +0200, Donn wrote: > > > > Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > > > > > > I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release > > > not one with the latest packages. > > > > What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? > > Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. > > Jonathan I normally don't respond to most of these types of discussions but I would like to comment on this one. In my opinion, I see long term support as a server environment. In that respect I don't care about, and normally don't have on my system, kde or much other gui type applications. On the desktop side, I see, like in windows world, that you test the upgrades in a "lab" type environment to make sure the upgrade works and if it does then you may want to change the rest of your desktops. This discussion is no where near new. It has been around since software has been around. It comes onto the business model and the IT support on what is best for your company. I am going to use the Window$ example. Server 2000 was around for quite a long time as a server install but there were many desktop applications that came and went around that server platform. Just my two cents. Jeremy From dreadgeek at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 21:12:37 2007 From: dreadgeek at gmail.com (Adrienne J Davis) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:12:37 -0800 Subject: Setting default Konqueror download behavior In-Reply-To: <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200701261312.37863.dreadgeek@gmail.com> Hey folks: I'm seeing the following problem. When I attempt to download a file from kde-look that is of file type .skz or .aiz (superkaramba files) Konqueror wants to open up the file in Kate and never asks what I want to do with the file. I know that it's a setting in Control Panel --> KDE Components --> File Associations but I can't, for the life of me, remember what I need to set to force Konqueror to ask if I want to save something as default behavior. Cheers Aj From fsunoles at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 22:24:58 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:24:58 -0700 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <45B9790D.1070301@iinet.net.au> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> <45B9790D.1070301@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <75db45220701261424l30f229f8lba0b9f6c3f810366@mail.gmail.com> On 1/25/07, neil.linux wrote: > Homer wrote: > > Thanks for the comments. One thing I'm sure of it is not the > > connection at my end. Government lab with connections to the abilene > > backbone. I wish I could choose my mirror with (K)ubuntu like I do on > > all my Debian installs. With Debian I can pick a close university or > > gov lab on the Abilene network and the connection is always amazing. > > With (K)ubuntu you get what you get. Maybe I'm wrong on this though, > > as I can't claim to have done an exhaustive search on ubuntu mirrors. > > > If you have a mirror in mind and it has the repositories you need why no > just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the url to the mirror? I guess because I didn't realize that I could select my own mirror. I always looked at the ubuntu sources file and saw the generic "us.archive.ubuntu.com" and figured that was the site. Anyway, I've now selected a specific site that should work well for me. From larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 26 22:51:44 2007 From: larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net (larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:51:44 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages Message-ID: <20070126225144.VSDN1538.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Folks: I realize that upgrading to 3.5.6 shud be easy but........ After loading the key according to instructions After adding the repository info to the sources.list according to instructions None of my package managers shows a hint of KDE 3.5.6 packages. No error messages. So now I am scratching my head because I like stuff that purportedly fixes bugs. Larry From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 26 20:11:14 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251119.47566.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701260932.39212.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <3s3q84-ibf.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > On Friday 26 January 2007 00:15, Derek Broughton wrote: >> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> > I can offer no help, but I can confirm that the KDE Xkb options bits >> > have never worked correctly for me through many generations of >> > XFree86/X.org and >> > KDE. I have no idea why. As you say, the checkboxes are there; they >> > just don't work. >> >> Worked for me... > > Really? On Ubuntu Edgy, KDE 3.5.5? What did you do? I have checked: Compose Key Position Right Ctrl is Compose This adds the "compose" option to the end of the "Command" field which, for me, is: setxkbmap -option lv3:lwin_switch,altwin:meta_alt,compose:rctrl -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 26 20:13:14 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:13:14 -0400 Subject: korganizer References: <200701251150.04448.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: Garry Knight wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> None of those will work. Once kontact is running, any attempt to open a >> kontact component will cause it to open inside kontact. > > It shouldn't be a problem. If Kontact is running, Korganizer will open > inside Kontact. If it isn't running, then it will open on its own. It's not a problem. It _is_ however, not what the OP asked for. > > The OP didn't say that Kontact was running when he tried to open Yes, he did. And it's reasonable to assume that he even had reason to suspect it would be otherwise, as I can still remember when this functionality began. > Korganizer. But on re-reading his post, that could be what he meant. I > guess we'll just have to wait and see... :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 26 20:15:53 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:15:53 -0400 Subject: installation of 6.10, no reiserfs? References: <87d552udgw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <1169758440.6664.3.camel@localhost> <200701251725.52447.rbmorse@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ron Morse wrote: > Ubuntu defaults to EXT3 Given the number of ways to actually install Ubuntu, and the number of versions available, that seems like a really hard to prove assertion. I'll accept that the last time you did an install, that's what you got... This time, however, I got XFS. There _wasn't_ iirc a default option when partitioning the system myself, using the alternate edgy CD. -- derek From sniffy at rogers.com Fri Jan 26 23:10:05 2007 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:10:05 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126225144.VSDN1538.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20070126225144.VSDN1538.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701261810.05527.sniffy@rogers.com> On Friday 26 January 2007 17:51:44 larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Folks: > > I realize that upgrading to 3.5.6 shud be easy but........ > > After loading the key according to instructions > After adding the repository info to the sources.list according to > instructions > > None of my package managers shows a hint of KDE 3.5.6 packages. No error > messages. So now I am scratching my head because I like stuff that > purportedly fixes bugs. > > Larry Strange. Are you running dapper, edgy or feisty? The update is not available for dapper. What package management tools did you try? I personally use adept (its easy, and I'm relatively new to kubuntu), after I applied the changes I selected full upgrade after which I was notified of all of the kde updates. -- chris From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 26 23:19:23 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:19:23 -0400 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261919.30516.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: >> Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. > Okay, this will sound harsh and flame-like, bear in mind that I am a > determined Linux user: Stable is a misleading word. What should be said > is "static" or "stagnant". > > This problem of distros being left "frozen" in time is a real one. It > means Linux can never compete with Windows because it's not one O/S it's a > new one every 6 months. Each of those islands of O/S are left alone to > gradually sink behind the horizon as new software releases keep pace with > the latest release. Something is wrong with this picture. Huh? How on earth does that differ from Windows? Except that our release periods are much shorter? -- derek From craig_p_drummond at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 26 23:50:10 2007 From: craig_p_drummond at yahoo.co.uk (Craig Drummond) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:50:10 +0000 Subject: how to cache fonts:/System In-Reply-To: <256f4e900701241857s73784517y8b325834576942b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900701241857s73784517y8b325834576942b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701262350.10219.craig_p_drummond@yahoo.co.uk> > Does anyone know some way to force Konq to remember what the previews > ofthe fonts look like, so it doesn't behave this way? The KDE 3.x font thumbnail code does not cache the previews, as they can change depending upon icon size. However, you can override that by editing: /usr/share/services/fontthumbnail.desktop And changing: CacheThumbnail=false to: CacheThumbnail=true For KDE4, the  font thumbnails will be cached. Craig. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From tanghus at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 23:52:02 2007 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:52:02 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126225144.VSDN1538.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20070126225144.VSDN1538.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200701270052.14264.tanghus@gmail.com> On Friday den 26. January 2007 23:51, larryhartman50 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Folks: > > I realize that upgrading to 3.5.6 shud be easy but........ > > After loading the key according to instructions > After adding the repository info to the sources.list according to > instructions > > None of my package managers shows a hint of KDE 3.5.6 packages. No error > messages. So now I am scratching my head because I like stuff that > purportedly fixes bugs. Did u do an "apt-get update"? -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thomas Olsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jh_sandberg at yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 00:03:18 2007 From: jh_sandberg at yahoo.com (Juha Sandberg) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Screen saver not working Message-ID: <876153.94688.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello! Try add to /home/user/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc following line (to Screensaver section): DPMS-dependent=false. It's work for me. I don't no why. I found it from Kubuntuforum. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Satterwhite To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:31:26 AM Subject: Screen saver not working I have a screen saver configured to start after 15 minutes. The problem is that it never starts. When I right click on the desktop, and go to configure desktop->screen saver, it looks right. What would cause it not to work? -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at ptfd.org Sat Jan 27 03:03:39 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:03:39 -0500 Subject: raki-synce kde-3.5.6 broken In-Reply-To: <200701260814.57154.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200701260814.57154.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200701262203.39159.lists@ptfd.org> On Friday 26 January 2007 08:14:56 am Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > Raki seem broken with 3.5.6, it crashes everytime you try to sync your > ppc.. > > No real messages when started with a console, just gets all the records > from teh ppc and then crashes. > > Mike sorry to post to my own post but I do have a backtrace if needed. Mike From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 27 03:52:28 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:52:28 -0500 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701260851.08651.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701260851.08651.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701262252.29097.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 26 January 2007 1:51 am, Donn wrote: > > Just delete. Zip. Gone. Don't tell me about it, I know -- I pressed > > delete. > > Any ideas? Yeah, Scott Mazur gave the real answer a few posts up: > Open Konqueror, go to Settings->Configure Konqueror. In the 'Behaviour' > section (which you should see by default), there's an area 'Ask > Confirmation For'. Just uncheck the 'Delete' option. It's right there on the first page on Dapper's Konqueror, and I remember this dialog being here since quite a long way back. I just forgot about it. No idea if it's the same in newer versions of KDE, but chances are it's similar. -- D. Michael McIntyre From vayu at sklinks.com Sat Jan 27 04:15:46 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:15:46 -0800 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> My interpretation of long term support, is quite opposite of unchanging. I interpret it as meaning changes continue for a long term. Regardless of interpretations, please note another user who would appreciate 3.5.6 on Dapper. Also please note: appreciate not expect is the word, thanks so much for all that you do. I desire not to upgrade my whole system which takes me through many time consuming issues, but I would like to have available individual upgrades that do not affect my entire system all at once (if that makes sense). For instance I tried to upgrade one machine to Edgy and it totally broke the entire install. I then installed fresh and it still took quite a bit of effort to get it to run properly as a stock install. I have not yet had the time to get it customized with my own individual settings, applications, printing, samba, multimedia, apache, MySQL, PHP, all my own programs, and way too numerous other things to recall. My main desktop machine still has Dapper with all the above intact, yet I also enjoy KDE 3.5.5, Flash 9, etc... My Windows XP install is going on 4 years untouched, but I still have relatively recent versions of most of my Apps. My idea of stable is that the underlying base remains stable and I don't have to redo the whole system every 6 months. My idea of long term support is that I have that stable base but keep everything relatively up to date. Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:03:41PM +0200, Donn wrote: > >>>> Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? >>>> >>> I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release >>> not one with the latest packages. >>> >> What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? >> > > Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. > > Jonathan > > From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 27 04:35:06 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:35:06 -0500 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251119.47566.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701262335.06313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 25 January 2007 6:15 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > > KDE. I have no idea why. As you say, the checkboxes are there; they > > just don't work. > > Worked for me... I've always wondered if it has something to do with my keyboard perchance. I have an old keyboard I've been typing on since 1991. One of the original Microsoft Natural keyboards, with all the keycaps worn down almost to nubs and about 10,000,000 words on it. I have a number of weird problems, and those KDE/xmodmap settings not working are only part of the story. I gave up trying to fix it years ago though, so I'm wondering out loud and not asking anyone to waste time thinking of solutions I will ignore. I'm used to the screwy way things are after all this time. -- D. Michael McIntyre From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 04:43:32 2007 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:43:32 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200701270543.43620.tanghus@gmail.com> On Saturday den 27. January 2007 05:15, Vayu wrote: > My interpretation of long term support, is quite opposite of unchanging. > I interpret it as meaning changes continue for a long term. > > Regardless of interpretations, please note another user who would > appreciate 3.5.6 on Dapper. Also please note: appreciate not expect is > the word, thanks so much for all that you do. > > I desire not to upgrade my whole system which takes me through many time > consuming issues, but I would like to have available individual upgrades > that do not affect my entire system all at once (if that makes sense). > > For instance I tried to upgrade one machine to Edgy and it totally broke > the entire install. I then installed fresh and it still took quite a bit > of effort to get it to run properly as a stock install. I have not yet > had the time to get it customized with my own individual settings, > applications, printing, samba, multimedia, apache, MySQL, PHP, all my > own programs, and way too numerous other things to recall. > > My main desktop machine still has Dapper with all the above intact, yet > I also enjoy KDE 3.5.5, Flash 9, etc... > > My Windows XP install is going on 4 years untouched, but I still have > relatively recent versions of most of my Apps. > > My idea of stable is that the underlying base remains stable and I don't > have to redo the whole system every 6 months. My idea of long term > support is that I have that stable base but keep everything relatively > up to date. Hear hear. And my deepest respect to the (K)ubuntu guys and gals! > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:03:41PM +0200, Donn wrote: > >>>> Anyone knows if there are plans of backporting to Dapper? > >>> > >>> I've no plans for that. Dapper is for those who want a stable release > >>> not one with the latest packages. > >> > >> What's so unstable about kde 3.5.6 ? > > > > Stable in my sentence above means unchanging. > > > > Jonathan -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thomas Olsen Now Playing: C. V. Jørgensen - Det blonde danske smil -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From neil.linux at iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 05:28:37 2007 From: neil.linux at iinet.net.au (neil.linux) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:28:37 +1100 Subject: Why is updating so slow? In-Reply-To: <75db45220701261424l30f229f8lba0b9f6c3f810366@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701231610i7926331bm336df9b442ebbd27@mail.gmail.com> <45B6C9C3.2080804@optonline.net> <75db45220701250716s59ecccf6x7b97fc42f4754f70@mail.gmail.com> <45B9790D.1070301@iinet.net.au> <75db45220701261424l30f229f8lba0b9f6c3f810366@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BAE305.8030607@iinet.net.au> Homer wrote: > On 1/25/07, neil.linux wrote: > >> Homer wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the comments. One thing I'm sure of it is not the >>> connection at my end. Government lab with connections to the abilene >>> backbone. I wish I could choose my mirror with (K)ubuntu like I do on >>> all my Debian installs. With Debian I can pick a close university or >>> gov lab on the Abilene network and the connection is always amazing. >>> With (K)ubuntu you get what you get. Maybe I'm wrong on this though, >>> as I can't claim to have done an exhaustive search on ubuntu mirrors. >>> >>> >> If you have a mirror in mind and it has the repositories you need why no >> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the url to the mirror? >> > > I guess because I didn't realize that I could select my own mirror. I > always looked at the ubuntu sources file and saw the generic > "us.archive.ubuntu.com" and figured that was the site. Anyway, I've > now selected a specific site that should work well for me. > > I'm glad I could help. Let us all know how the updates go. Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I pretty much reckon it's hard-wired into the code, so I don't think it can change. /d From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Jan 27 07:38:39 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:38:39 -0800 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <873b5w9aww.fsf@fjellstad.org> Vayu writes: > I desire not to upgrade my whole system which takes me through many > time consuming issues, but I would like to have available individual > upgrades that do not affect my entire system all at once (if that > makes sense). How would upgrading KDE (a desktop environment) not affect the whole system? -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From vayu at sklinks.com Sat Jan 27 08:25:29 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:25:29 -0800 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <873b5w9aww.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> <873b5w9aww.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <45BB0C79.6070703@sklinks.com> John L Fjellstad wrote: > Vayu writes: > > >> I desire not to upgrade my whole system which takes me through many >> time consuming issues, but I would like to have available individual >> upgrades that do not affect my entire system all at once (if that >> makes sense). >> > > How would upgrading KDE (a desktop environment) not affect the whole > system? > > Things can go wrong, I lost my screen saver and had automount problems upgrading KDE on my Dapper system (both of which I fairly easily found how to fix), but I unrecoverably broke two other systems trying to go from Dapper to Edgy. Upgrading the DE has not been monumental for me, whereas upgrading the whole distro has. I've done both several times. While one persons experience is not conclusive, I doubt that mine is a unique experience. From kubuntu at pusspaws.net Sat Jan 27 08:56:07 2007 From: kubuntu at pusspaws.net (Dave S) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:56:07 +0000 Subject: ksysguard adda applet to panel gone ? Message-ID: <200701270856.07841.kubuntu@pusspaws.net> Hi all, I just tried to add another ksysguard applet to my panel and its no longer in the 'add applet to panel' menu. apt-get install --reinstall ksysguard ksysguardd and a reboot did not fix it. Is it just me - or does everyone else have the same problem ? (ie is it a b0rkEd from a recent update ?) Dave PS existing ksysguard applets work fine (dapper) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 09:20:11 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:20:11 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BB0C79.6070703@sklinks.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <873b5w9aww.fsf@fjellstad.org> <45BB0C79.6070703@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200701271120.11471.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Upgrading the DE has not been monumental for me, whereas upgrading the > whole distro has. I've done both several times. While one persons > experience is not conclusive, I doubt that mine is a unique experience. I would have to agree. If the mindset or focus of the packagers and the boffins was "leave no-one behind" then we could still be running new desktops on Warty, along with the latest Firefox and Open Office! I don't say this with a whine in my voice, nor am I stamping my foot. I simply wonder why the focus is to speed ahead and leave broken islands of old versions behind. It seems counterproductive somehow. /d From infopipe at gmx.net Sat Jan 27 09:31:42 2007 From: infopipe at gmx.net (Bernhard Breinbauer) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:31:42 +0100 Subject: Setting default Konqueror download behavior In-Reply-To: <200701261312.37863.dreadgeek@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261312.37863.dreadgeek@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701271031.42901.infopipe@gmx.net> You should start a new thread for each topic. Your post might get lost otherwise. On Freitag 26 Januar 2007 wrote Adrienne J Davis: > Hey folks: > > I'm seeing the following problem. When I attempt to download a file from > kde-look that is of file type .skz or .aiz (superkaramba files) Konqueror > wants to open up the file in Kate and never asks what I want to do with the > file. I know that it's a setting in Control Panel --> KDE Components --> > File Associations but I can't, for the life of me, remember what I need to > set to force Konqueror to ask if I want to save something as default > behavior. Don't know how to change this behaviour but you can press the shift-key while klicking on the download link. This will save the file to disk. regards, bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I generally run Kubuntu with a fair spattering of Gnome programs, but have only KDE as my desktop. This seems reasonable to me. They are from the same Ubuntu "family" and for the most part use the same repositories. Changing the DE environment changes the way these various applications, dependencies, and their libraries relate to the whole distribution. You then can have the installation of, say, KDE 3.5.6 from 3.5.5 altering libraries,etc. I have upgraded and note that KDE 3.5.6 is faster but I am getting more applications "freezing". There could be many reasons for this, but it started with the installation of KDE 3.5.6 so perhaps its not mature enough yet. The Kubuntu web page says its not well supported. I'm reverting to KDE 3.5.5 where I didn't have this problem... -- Graham From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 11:34:36 2007 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:34:36 +0100 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701270859.57511.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701262252.29097.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701270859.57511.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701271234.46950.tanghus@gmail.com> On Saturday den 27. January 2007 07:59, Donn wrote: > > Yeah, Scott Mazur gave the real answer a few posts up: > > > Open Konqueror, go to Settings->Configure Konqueror. In the > > > 'Behaviour' section (which you should see by default), there's an area > > > 'Ask Confirmation For'. Just uncheck the 'Delete' option. > > Nah. That's to confirm whether you want to delete or not. I'm talking about > the progress-bar dialog that opens to show the delete happening. > I admit my OP was not clear -- I hit send before editing it! > > I pretty much reckon it's hard-wired into the code, so I don't think it can > change. Save the following as ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/deletenow.desktop (UNTESTED!!!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Desktop Entry] ServiceTypes=text/*,application/x-desktop Actions=DeleteNow [Desktop Action DeleteNow] Name=Delete Now Icon=delete Exec=kdesu "rm -rf" "%U" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > /d -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thomas Olsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's funny, but ever since I first posted about this I have not seen that dialog box once :) Weird. /d From jg at jguk.org Sat Jan 27 15:49:19 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:49:19 +0000 Subject: XMMS only plays a single track and then stops in Kubuntu 6.10 Message-ID: <45BB747F.4090008@jguk.org> Hello, I noticed that XMMS in Kubuntu 6.10 plays a single track from my playlist and then stops. I have to click the >> icon, and then play to get it move onto the next track. This probably isn't a Kubuntu bug, but anyone have any idea what happened to get it set like this? and how I can set it back? I have [S] (shuffle) ticked, and [R] (Repeat) is not ticked. Thanks for any tips. Please include my email address in any replies. Cheers Jon -- http://jguk.org/2007/01/d-language-c0x-and-threads.html From jg at jguk.org Sat Jan 27 15:58:16 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:58:16 +0000 Subject: Decent replacement for Kuickview in Kubuntu 6.10 which has Fit to Window and Advance PgUp/PgDown Message-ID: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> Hi I'm running Kubuntu 6.10 and noticed Kuickview is no longer available. I'm looking for a viewer which I can quickly go through my holiday snaps. My wants: * none or minimal window declarations * fit-to-window mode which can be set to stay on for images larger than the last window size. * PgUp/PgDown controls, which ar quick (Kview seems awfully slow for some reason!) Gwenview seems ok, but fit-to-window will not stay on, and the window declarations are huge. Any ideas appreciated! please include my email address in any replies. Cheers Jon -- http://jguk.org/2007/01/d-language-c0x-and-threads.html From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Jan 27 16:59:16 2007 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:59:16 +0100 Subject: Decent replacement for Kuickview in Kubuntu 6.10 which has Fit to Window and Advance PgUp/PgDown In-Reply-To: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> References: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> Message-ID: <200701271759.16572.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:58, Jon Grant wrote: > Hi > I'm running Kubuntu 6.10 and noticed Kuickview is no longer > available. I'm looking for a viewer which I can quickly go > through my holiday snaps. My wants: > > * none or minimal window declarations > * fit-to-window mode which can be set to stay on for images > larger than the last window size. > * PgUp/PgDown controls, which ar quick (Kview seems awfully slow > for some reason!) > > Gwenview seems ok, but fit-to-window will not stay on, and the > window declarations are huge. > Any ideas appreciated! > please include my email address in any replies. Cheers > Jon gThumb Image Viewer ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 6.10) ********* From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 27 17:32:21 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:32:21 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701271120.11471.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <45BB0C79.6070703@sklinks.com> <200701271120.11471.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 27 January 2007 4:20 am, Donn wrote: > I don't say this with a whine in my voice, nor am I stamping my foot. I > simply wonder why the focus is to speed ahead and leave broken islands of > old versions behind. It seems counterproductive somehow. After listening to this discussion for the last while, and trying to wrestle with explaining the why and how of it all, I have finally hit on what I should have opened with initially. Donn, and everyone else who wants to see Dapper remain a safe and steady snapshot of everything except the few latest and greatest goodies you simply must have, there *is* a solution to this. It's called a fork. Fork Dapper. Start your own distro. You want the latest KDE, Firefox and OO.o built on top of a core that keeps as much of the old Dapper as possible? Go create it. Make it available, maintain it. Problem solved. That's really what it comes down to in Linuxdom. I'm not being a smartass here, and it's really this simple. It's pointless to debate about the *why* of any of this. Just accept the facts as they are so obviously presented, and if you don't like the look of the facts, change them. We all have the tools at our disposal to do what distro maintainers do, and there are hundreds of distros out there due in large part to exactly the same sort of thing. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 18:00:05 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:00:05 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271120.11471.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > It's pointless to debate about the > *why* of any of this. This is where I have to ask -- why? What's wrong with asking this question? If we cannot ask certain questions and expect reasonable debate about them in a rational manner then things just ain't as open as they seem. > Just accept the facts as they are so obviously > presented, and if you don't like the look of the facts, change them. We > all have the tools at our disposal to do what distro maintainers do, and > there are hundreds of distros out there due in large part to exactly the > same sort of thing. This is part of the problem really -- Too many distros and too many sub-distros within each. IMHO each release of Ubuntu is a new distro -- one that gets "left behind" in time. Look, I don't want to get a reputation for constantly bitching about this thing. I wanted to have a frank and clear conversation about it but I see feathers get ruffled almost immediately. That tells me it's a sore-point and that's all the answer I need. Hopefully it's such a blatant problem that teams of very experienced, organized and cabable people (like the good people who *already* bring us Ubuntu) can see it and start to think along those lines. /d From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 27 18:33:56 2007 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:33:56 -0500 Subject: Circular Menus Message-ID: <200701271333.56595.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> This has probably been covered before. Do any programs exist to implement circular menus? A circular menu is when the menu title is clicked, the various sub-commands are arrayed in a circle. This minimizes mouse cursor movement and allows faster access to commands. Any information is most appreciated, Bob -- Q: What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous? A: A canary with the super-user password. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Jan 27 19:19:39 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:19:39 -0800 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701261327.12507.tanghus@gmail.com> <20070126131525.GI20766@muse.19inch.net> <200701261803.41704.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> <873b5w9aww.fsf@fjellstad.org> <45BB0C79.6070703@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <871wlgqnuc.fsf@fjellstad.org> Vayu writes: > Things can go wrong, I lost my screen saver and had automount problems > upgrading KDE on my Dapper system (both of which I fairly easily found > how to fix), but I unrecoverably broke two other systems trying to go > from Dapper to Edgy. Let me guess, you have automatix installed? -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Jan 27 19:21:44 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:21:44 -0800 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271120.11471.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> Donn writes: > Look, I don't want to get a reputation for constantly bitching about > this thing. I wanted to have a frank and clear conversation about it > but I see feathers get ruffled almost immediately. People explained why it was hard. You ignored it. > Hopefully it's such a blatant problem that teams of very experienced, > organized and cabable people (like the good people who *already* bring > us Ubuntu) can see it and start to think along those lines. They are. They are concentrating on one distro at a time to backport to, namely the latest release. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 20:17:15 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:17:15 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200701272217.16082.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > People explained why it was hard. You ignored it. Ah well, thanks for clearing that up then. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 20:26:46 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:26:46 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > They are. They are concentrating on one distro at a time to backport > to, namely the latest release. I must accept that this is the reality of Linux, fine, done. I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of life on the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. If there is better explanation of it then please point me there. /d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 27 20:39:36 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:39:36 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701271539.36767.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 27 January 2007 1:00 pm, Donn wrote: > This is part of the problem really -- Too many distros and too many > sub-distros within each. IMHO each release of Ubuntu is a new distro -- one > that gets "left behind" in time. Yes, we have established that this is true a dozen times over. That's the way it is, and this is by design. Ubuntu's latest stable snapshot is more recent than Debian's, which is largely the point of Ubuntu. People run Dapper for stability, not for the latest versions of applications. That's not what Dapper is FOR. If you want the latest versions of applications to come to you as tidy distro packages, and you're running Dapper, then you're running the WRONG DISTRO. It's really that simple. Feathers are starting to get ruffled because you are being so irritatingly obtuse here. You're obtuse, but not coming off as a hopeless moron, which is probably why anyone is still bothering to talk to you at all. We're trying to get things to click for you, so you understand the way things are, and why, and accept them, and move on to become a productive member of society. There is hope for you, Grasshopper. Linux is fundamentally different from Windows. This bit with getting the very latest software being a problem is one of the bitchy things about Linux. In contrast, moving a Linux hard drive from one computer to a completely different one is orders of magnitude less tedious and time consuming than the same trick on Windows. Linux has ups and downs. Windows has ups and downs. Widows isn't Linux isn't Windows. > Hopefully it's such a blatant problem that teams of very experienced, > organized and cabable people (like the good people who *already* bring us > Ubuntu) can see it and start to think along those lines. And that is really the crux of this whole thing. There is no "problem" here at all, except that you are hell bent on using a screwdriver to drive a nail. Sorry if I'm losing my patience. I'm stressed out right now, and my wife is nagging me, so I'm trying to write in a hurry. -- D. Michael McIntyre From juergen.sauer at automatix.de Sat Jan 27 21:06:52 2007 From: juergen.sauer at automatix.de (Juergen Sauer) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:06:52 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271120.11471.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701272206.56138.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Am Samstag, 27. Januar 2007 18:32 schrieb D. Michael McIntyre: > It's called a fork. Fork Dapper. Start your own distro. NO! Dapper is advertized as LTS. This means Long Time Support. For 5 Years. So it ist the releasmanagers duty to support the current line of KDE for this time range. KDE "WAS" Released officially for Dapper 6.06.01 LTS - refer to the release notice. > You want the latest KDE, Firefox and OO.o built on top of a core that > keeps as much of the old Dapper as possible? Go create it. Make it > available, maintain it. No. Kubuntu Team has to ! Definetively ! Or to fix every well known Problem of the already released KDE Packages !! I.e. the "logout Bug". (ksmserver crashes on logout if there are no optins for suspend/shudown/restart offered.... this is a most annoying BUG) > Problem solved. Excuse me, Sir, I am not convinced. Nothing is solved. Problems are generated. KDE 3.5.5 is released für 6.06.01 LTS - also it must be bugfixed or upgraded ! On the other hand the whole kubuntu project will loose any respect and credits of the users. If there is no fix/follow up release the Kubnuntu project stumbles into a big trouble ! mfG Jürgen Sauer automatiX Professionell Support (current on duty) -- Jürgen Sauer - AutomatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, jojo at automatix.de Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was 5 years for servers, but 3 years for desktops which is what we are discussing here. > So it ist the releasmanagers duty to support the current line of KDE for > this time range. > > KDE "WAS" Released officially for Dapper 6.06.01 LTS - refer to the > release notice. Yes. It was 3.5.2. > > You want the latest KDE, Firefox and OO.o built on top of a core that > > keeps as much of the old Dapper as possible? Go create it. Make it > > available, maintain it. > > No. > > Kubuntu Team has to ! Definetively ! No they don't. The version of KDE with the LTS guarantee is 3.5.2. > Or to fix every well known Problem of the already released KDE Packages !! > I.e. the "logout Bug". (ksmserver crashes on logout if there are no optins > for suspend/shudown/restart offered.... this is a most annoying BUG) No, backport support is likely limited to security fixes. > > Problem solved. > > Excuse me, Sir, I am not convinced. > Nothing is solved. Problems are generated. > > KDE 3.5.5 is released für 6.06.01 LTS - also it must be bugfixed or > upgraded ! The original Dapper release announcement says it's 3.5.2 that has LTS. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.06-lts-release.php > On the other hand the whole kubuntu project will loose any respect and > credits of the users. If there is no fix/follow up release the Kubnuntu > project stumbles into a big trouble ! Whining will get you nowhere. All that said, I would appreciate it if Kubuntu would build official, but your LTS warranty is void, 3.5.6 debs for Dapper. Scott K From lure at ubuntu.com Sat Jan 27 21:44:57 2007 From: lure at ubuntu.com (Luka Renko) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:44:57 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701272206.56138.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701272206.56138.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Message-ID: <200701272244.58007.lure@ubuntu.com> On Saturday 27. of January 2007 22:06:52 Juergen Sauer wrote: > Or to fix every well known Problem of the already released KDE Packages !! > I.e. the "logout Bug". (ksmserver crashes on logout if there are no optins > for suspend/shudown/restart offered.... this is a most annoying BUG) This bug is not in 6.06 LTS but in kubuntu.org packages which are there for early adopters and not part of 6.06 LTS release. > KDE 3.5.5 is released für 6.06.01 LTS - also it must be bugfixed or > upgraded ! KDE 3.5.5 is available in special kubuntu.org repository and not from regular ubuntu.com repositories. This is why it is not part of 6.06.01 release, but just add-on packages (like any other repo that you might find on internet). The only difference is that they are released by Jonathan Riddell (Kubuntu developer who does most of the KDE work) and are therefore considered by people more "trustful" than some other sources. > On the other hand the whole kubuntu project will loose any respect and > credits of the users. If there is no fix/follow up release the Kubnuntu > project stumbles into a big trouble ! I am all for fixing bugs, but some bug fixes are easier to port back others are harder (and risky). If you would like to better understand what kind of fixes you can anticipate for released Ubuntu version, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates Regards, Luka From ejviolet at yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 22:42:34 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:42:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <364438.75414.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I run Dapper because it's stable! The packages DON'T change. I don't want to update packages and fix all of the time. I want the damn thing to work. I'd still be running Breezy if it were supported. 3 years of bug fixes and security updates sounds great! If I want the latest and greatest, there's always Debian unstable or experimental. There is also the option of downloading the source code and taking your chances. Many of the maintainers are not paid and can't be wasting their time playing with all of these back ports. Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From juergen.sauer at automatix.de Sun Jan 28 00:08:03 2007 From: juergen.sauer at automatix.de (Juergen Sauer) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:08:03 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701271616.54840.kubuntu@kitterman.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272206.56138.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> <200701271616.54840.kubuntu@kitterman.com> Message-ID: <200701280108.06305.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Am Samstag, 27. Januar 2007 22:16 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > KDE "WAS" Released officially for Dapper 6.06.01 LTS - refer to the > > release notice. > > Yes. It was 3.5.2. No. In this case 3.5.5 had never been officially released for Kubuntu, from kubuntu project server. > No, backport support is likely limited to security fixes. Nonsense ! If the Kubuntu Server officially keeps KDE 3.5.5 for instlling in Dapper 6.06.01 it is part of the release. So nothing is void ! Ergo, keep fixing it ! J. Sauer -- Jürgen Sauer - AutomatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, jojo at automatix.de Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do this by SHIFT+DELETE > anyway. > > It's funny, but ever since I first posted about this I have not seen that > dialog box once :) Weird. > It won't help now, but there are dramatic changes planned for all dialogs in KDE4. Essentially it will be in a Kicker applet that allows you to check up on the progress of any action as necessary with out being an overbearing nuisance. > > /d From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Sun Jan 28 01:21:56 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701272021.58808.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Saturday 27 January 2007 03:26:46 pm Donn wrote: > > They are. They are concentrating on one distro at a time to backport > > to, namely the latest release. > > I must accept that this is the reality of Linux, fine, done. > > I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I > don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of life on > the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. > The prime mover to the upgrade cycle it that of Linux itself. Linux, as you maybe aware, is only the kernel which access the computer's central processer. That's it. All the other stuff, teh pretty desktops, the web browsers, the graphics kits, are all built on top of that. Within the world of kernel developers, there are two strains. One is called stable and the other, for lack of a more imaginative word, unstable. Unstable is where all the new features and prcesses are developed, such as built in support for wireless cards, etc. Once these are tested and proven they move into stable. The Linux kernel upon which Kubuntu Dapper Drake is built has twelve months less development than the kernel upon with Feisty is being built and six months less than Edgy. In order to set up your desktop environment upon the particular kernel which you are running there may or may not be additional support for the libraries that are required. If you absolutely must have the latest release number, then you may need to update your kernel. In order to update your kernel, you can do it the difficult way, ie yourself (ala Gentoo) or you can update the distribution release number you are running. That is one opinion of how it works and it is only offered in hopes that you will understand that this is a community of comuter users who are constantly making improvements on how the code which they are running works. There are occaisions where there are reversions, but generally speaking it is all improving. From the bottom up. > If there is better explanation of it then please point me there. > > > /d From golan at notreally.org Sun Jan 28 01:24:48 2007 From: golan at notreally.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Roncero Franco) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:24:48 +0100 Subject: ALSA and mpd Message-ID: <20070128012445.GA11211@momona2> Hi all, I am having some problems with my laptop setting up MPD (Music Player Daemon) to play nicely with my existing configuration, running the last release of kubuntu. Basically I cannot make mpd to play any song because I am getting access errors like: "Error opening alsa device "hw:0,0": Device or resource busy" So far, what I have read points me to have dmix support enabled by having a /etc/asound.conf, as it is said here: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration#ALSA_dmix_Output Thing is that it doesn't work, so I was just wondering if anyone here has some insight about what I should be doing wrong or what should I do to get this working nicely with KDE. My laptop is an IBM z60m with this soundcard: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) Thanks -- Jesús Roncero http://notreally.org From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jan 28 01:26:48 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:26:48 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> Message-ID: <200701272027.01739.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 26 January 2007 23:15, Vayu wrote: > My interpretation of long term support, is quite opposite of unchanging. > I interpret it as meaning changes continue for a long term. > > Regardless of interpretations, please note another user who would > appreciate 3.5.6 on Dapper. Also please note: appreciate not expect is > the word, thanks so much for all that you do. > > I desire not to upgrade my whole system which takes me through many time > consuming issues, but I would like to have available individual upgrades > that do not affect my entire system all at once (if that makes sense). I don't usually like "me too" emails but vayu expressed my sentiments exactly, and I would like to "vote" for this to the extent that it matters. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Jan 28 02:09:53 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:09:53 -0700 Subject: Delete dialogue box In-Reply-To: <200701272003.15928.Neckenrode@gmail.com> References: <200701241909.35425.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701271345.43298.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701272003.15928.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701271909.53769.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Saturday 27 January 2007 18:03, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > On Saturday 27 January 2007 06:45:43 am Donn wrote: > > > Save the following as > > > ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/deletenow.desktop > > > (UNTESTED!!!) > > > > I see where you are going and I am not sure if that progress box does > > come up when one bypasses the recycle bin or not. I do this by > > SHIFT+DELETE anyway. > > > > It's funny, but ever since I first posted about this I have not seen that > > dialog box once :) Weird. > > It won't help now, but there are dramatic changes planned for all dialogs > in KDE4. Essentially it will be in a Kicker applet that allows you to check > up on the progress of any action as necessary with out being an overbearing > nuisance. But...But ...I like being an overbearing nuisance. > > > /d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 28 03:26:21 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:26:21 -0500 Subject: ALSA and mpd In-Reply-To: <20070128012445.GA11211@momona2> References: <20070128012445.GA11211@momona2> Message-ID: <200701272226.22064.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 27 January 2007 8:24 pm, Jesús Roncero Franco wrote: > My laptop is an IBM z60m with this soundcard: > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) I don't know the fix, or if there is a fix, but I can tell you a lot of people have been having problems specifically with that chipset. -- D. Michael McIntyre From tudza at tudza.com Sun Jan 28 13:45:42 2007 From: tudza at tudza.com (tudza) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:45:42 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs Message-ID: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> I've had Kubuntu on two machines and with three different CD drives, so it's not the PC or the CD drive. I very rarely get any ripping software to work, the drive just sits and spins and spins at the end of one track or another. I move to Windows, no problems. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 14:00:18 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:00:18 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> Message-ID: <200701281600.18970.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I've had Kubuntu on two machines and with three different CD drives, so > it's not the PC or the CD drive. I very rarely get any ripping software > to work, the drive just sits and spins and spins at the end of one track > or another. > > I move to Windows, no problems. I've never had trouble ripping a music CD to disk. Not once ever and that's on old 386 PCs with questionable CD drives under Fedora right up to Kubuntu on an AMD. I really think your problem is the CD in question. Perhaps it's dirty? Can one "rip" songs from an iso? Perhaps you can make an iso of your entire CD and then try rip that? Whoa -- brain on fire ... must douse it :D HTH /d From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Jan 28 14:15:59 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:15:59 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701281600.18970.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701281600.18970.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701280715.59085.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Sunday 28 January 2007 07:00, Donn wrote: > > I've had Kubuntu on two machines and with three different CD drives, so > > it's not the PC or the CD drive. I very rarely get any ripping software > > to work, the drive just sits and spins and spins at the end of one track > > or another. > > > > I move to Windows, no problems. > > I've never had trouble ripping a music CD to disk. Not once ever and that's > on old 386 PCs with questionable CD drives under Fedora right up to Kubuntu > on an AMD. I really think your problem is the CD in question. Perhaps it's > dirty? > > Can one "rip" songs from an iso? Perhaps you can make an iso of your entire > CD and then try rip that? Whoa -- brain on fire ... must douse it :D > > HTH Do you have grip installed? > > /d From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 14:24:21 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:24:21 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> Message-ID: <200701280824.21251.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Sunday 28 January 2007 7:45:42 am tudza wrote: > I've had Kubuntu on two machines and with three different CD drives, so > it's not the PC or the CD drive. I very rarely get any ripping software > to work, the drive just sits and spins and spins at the end of one track > or another. > > I move to Windows, no problems. I've ripped all of mine to Ogg without a hitch. I needed a way to back them up because my wife tended to take the originals with her in the car. (leaving them on the seat, in the floor, etc.) I've used K3b, and grip, and once just from plain old Konqueror. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 14:37:14 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:37:14 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701280715.59085.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701281600.18970.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701280715.59085.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > I've never had trouble ripping a music CD to disk. Not once ever and > > that's on old 386 PCs with questionable CD drives under Fedora right up > > to Kubuntu on an AMD. I really think your problem is the CD in question. > > Perhaps it's dirty? > > Can one "rip" songs from an iso? Perhaps you can make an iso of your > > entire CD and then try rip that? Whoa -- brain on fire ... must douse it > Do you have grip installed? locate grip gives me "grip.ko" in kernel drivers joystick (which seems off base :) ), so I would say no. /d From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 15:08:25 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:08:25 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701281600.18970.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701280715.59085.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BCBC69.3020801@gmail.com> onn wrote: >>> I've never had trouble ripping a music CD to disk. Not once ever and >>> that's on old 386 PCs with questionable CD drives under Fedora right up >>> to Kubuntu on an AMD. I really think your problem is the CD in question. >>> Perhaps it's dirty? >>> Can one "rip" songs from an iso? Perhaps you can make an iso of your >>> entire CD and then try rip that? Whoa -- brain on fire ... must douse it >> Do you have grip installed? > locate grip gives me "grip.ko" in kernel drivers joystick (which seems off > base :) ), so I would say no. Well, I have ripped but am using KAudioCreator Ripper, not K3b. I tried K3b but it is like it is conflicting with mounting of the CD somehow. Sinclair From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 15:23:24 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:23:24 -0700 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701272027.01739.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <20070126161524.GK20766@muse.19inch.net> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> <200701272027.01739.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45BCBFEC.7020907@gmail.com> Art Alexion said the following at 01/27/2007 06:26 PM : > I don't usually like "me too" emails but vayu expressed my sentiments exactly, > and I would like to "vote" for this to the extent that it matters. > Ditto. From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jan 28 16:30:10 2007 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:30:10 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701271539.36767.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271232.22099.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701271539.36767.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <45BCCF92.7090609@mike-leone.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > Linux is fundamentally different from Windows. This bit with getting the very > latest software being a problem is one of the bitchy things about Linux. In > contrast, moving a Linux hard drive from one computer to a completely > different one is orders of magnitude less tedious and time consuming than the > same trick on Windows. Actually, I move Windows images all the time at work, with little to no problems. Sysprep first; Ghost the image; put on new machine. Add new drivers after Windows comes up, if necessary. All applications still there and working. Not that hard at all. > > Linux has ups and downs. Windows has ups and downs. Widows isn't Linux isn't > Windows. Truer words were never spoken. From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Jan 28 16:34:18 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:34:18 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701280715.59085.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701280934.18777.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Sunday 28 January 2007 07:37, Donn wrote: > > > I've never had trouble ripping a music CD to disk. Not once ever and > > > that's on old 386 PCs with questionable CD drives under Fedora right up > > > to Kubuntu on an AMD. I really think your problem is the CD in > > > question. Perhaps it's dirty? > > > Can one "rip" songs from an iso? Perhaps you can make an iso of your > > > entire CD and then try rip that? Whoa -- brain on fire ... must douse > > > it > > > > Do you have grip installed? > > locate grip gives me "grip.ko" in kernel drivers joystick (which seems off > base :) ), so I would say no. Grip or Ripper-X will do the job http://sourceforge.net/projects/grip/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/ripperx/ if you want MP3 capability's then you will also need Lame http://lame.sourceforge.net/index.php Audacity is also nice for editing http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ you can probably get all of them from the multiverse repository > > /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 16:46:21 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:46:21 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701280934.18777.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701280934.18777.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200701281846.21622.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Grip or Ripper-X will do the job > http://sourceforge.net/projects/grip/ > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ripperx/ > if you want MP3 capability's then you will also need Lame > http://lame.sourceforge.net/index.php > Audacity is also nice for editing > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > you can probably get all of them from the multiverse repository I hope the OP has taken note of all this as it was he who had the problem! Oh, and Audacity rocks! /d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 28 17:06:32 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BCCF92.7090609@mike-leone.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271539.36767.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <45BCCF92.7090609@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <200701281206.32235.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 28 January 2007 11:30 am, Mike Leone wrote: > > Linux. In contrast, moving a Linux hard drive from one computer to a > > completely different one is orders of magnitude less tedious and time > > consuming than the same trick on Windows. > > Actually, I move Windows images all the time at work, with little to no > problems. Sysprep first; Ghost the image; put on new machine. Add new > drivers after Windows comes up, if necessary. All applications still > there and working. Not that hard at all. Not hard. Tedious and time consuming. "New north bridge detected! Please feed me a CD! Then I will reboot!" "New south bridge detected! Please feed me a CD! Then I will reboot!" "New soundcard detected! Please feed me a CD! Then I will reboot!" "New video card detected. I will run at 640x480x16 until you feed me a CD! Then I will reboot!" Ad nauseam. Bleck. Compared with Linux, where moving to a new computer typically involves reconfiguring X11 and then you're good to go (or leaving it alone if you keep the same video chip manufacturer and display resolution along the way), I don't find this aspect of Windows impressive at all. This IS NOT a Windows rant, so let's please not get into a pissing contest here. Like I said (and you said): > > Linux has ups and downs. Windows has ups and downs. Windows isn't Linux > > isn't Windows. > > Truer words were never spoken. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 28 17:10:50 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:10:50 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701281846.21622.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701280934.18777.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <200701281846.21622.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701281210.50912.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 28 January 2007 11:46 am, Donn wrote: > I hope the OP has taken note of all this as it was he who had the problem! For my part, I rip with KAudioCreator or whatever it's called all the fliffin' time, usually with no problem. It doesn't seem to be able to cope with badly mangled discs as well as cdparanoia, so if I have something that makes the nice KDE tool spin its wheels for half an eternity, I get out the big guns. If cdparanoia -B can't rip it, it's too far gone to rip. -- D. Michael McIntyre From kubuntu at kitterman.com Sun Jan 28 17:35:41 2007 From: kubuntu at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:35:41 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701280108.06305.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701271616.54840.kubuntu@kitterman.com> <200701280108.06305.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Message-ID: <200701281235.41426.kubuntu@kitterman.com> On Saturday 27 January 2007 19:08, Juergen Sauer wrote: > Am Samstag, 27. Januar 2007 22:16 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > > KDE "WAS" Released officially for Dapper 6.06.01 LTS - refer to the > > > release notice. > > > > Yes. It was 3.5.2. > > No. In this case 3.5.5 had never been officially released for Kubuntu, > from kubuntu project server. > > > No, backport support is likely limited to security fixes. > > Nonsense ! > If the Kubuntu Server officially keeps KDE 3.5.5 for instlling in Dapper > 6.06.01 it is part of the release. Um. No. > So nothing is void ! > > Ergo, keep fixing it ! If you go install Kubuntu Dapper you will get 3.5.2. That is what's part of the official release. To get a later KDE you had to go enable a special repository for it. I may, if I get time, download and build 3.5.6 for Dapper myself, but would strongly prefer it if Jonathan Riddell would do it. Personally, if I were in his shows I'd be inclined not to do this sort of thing in the future due to all the complaining it's engendered. Fortunately, I'm not and I hope he continues to provide this valuable service to the community. Scott K From haroldh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 28 17:46:48 2007 From: haroldh at midmaine.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:46:48 -0500 Subject: Scribus Message-ID: <45BCE188.4060201@midmaine.com> I have installed and setting up all the stuff in scribus. I have encountered a slight problem under settings, I click color and end up with a pop up telling me: " Color management is supported but can not currently be enabled. Make sure you have ICC color profiles installed and that the profile path in the preferences point to where they're installed. " I wonder if anyone has setup Scribus on their system and can tell me where and how I need to get the ICC color profiles. I even wonder if they are really important enough for myself to be concern about it. Can I run Scribus ok without the ICC color profile. Harold From michaelpo at myjaring.net Sun Jan 28 17:55:27 2007 From: michaelpo at myjaring.net (michaelpo at myjaring.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:55:27 +0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <1170006308.5145.0.camel@michaelpo-laptop> References: <200701222205.42847.Neckenrode@gmail.com> <1170006308.5145.0.camel@michaelpo-laptop> Message-ID: <1170006927.5145.2.camel@michaelpo-laptop> how do I determine if my laptop is overheating or not? i have compaq presario 2819ap laptop On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 19:28 -0800, Chris Miller wrote: > Try ensuring that /etc/init.d/powersaved for the overheating problem. > I know that I had to add my user to the root group, add my user to the > root privilages in /etc/sudoers, and then I had to create a small > script to execute sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart whenever KDE > starts. That worked for me, though YMMV. That solved my CPU > throttling problem which is the cause of most of my overheating. > > HTH. > > On 1/22/07, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > > On Monday 22 January 2007 20:50, Rodolfo Novak wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft on my Fujitsu Likebook S6231. I > > > was wondering if somebody has the same system and was able to optimize for > > > it. I couldnt find drivers. Even though the system runs, the mouse pad is a > > > little sloppy, i cant hibernate, its overheating a bit. Overall I would > > > like some tips from Fujitsu laptop users. > > Try cross posting this issue with th Laptop-Testing list as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks! From lokeey at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 19:20:54 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:20:54 -0600 Subject: Recovery Message-ID: i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data from a hard drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition that i think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my linux data was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i just want to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can reinstall kubuntu. any ideas? -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejviolet at yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 20:14:16 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:14:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <608501.21663.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Lokeey wrote: > i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data > from a hard > drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition > that i > think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my > linux data > was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i > just want > to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can > reinstall > kubuntu. > > any ideas? If you used the Live CD to install, that should work fine. Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 20:18:52 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:18:52 +0200 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <1170006927.5145.2.camel@michaelpo-laptop> References: <1170006308.5145.0.camel@michaelpo-laptop> <1170006927.5145.2.camel@michaelpo-laptop> Message-ID: <200701282218.52827.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > how do I determine if my laptop is overheating or not? > i have compaq presario 2819ap laptop Try the egg test. If it fries then it's too hot. :D Sorry. I actually have no idea. /d From lokeey at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 20:19:29 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:19:29 +0000 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: <608501.21663.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <608501.21663.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: how so exactly? what i did prior to posting was install kubuntu on one of my other partitions on my 2nd HDD to see if i could extract the data some how, but i'm not sure exactly what to do? On 1/28/07, Earl Violet wrote: > > --- Lokeey wrote: > > > i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data > > from a hard > > drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition > > that i > > think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my > > linux data > > was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i > > just want > > to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can > > reinstall > > kubuntu. > > > > any ideas? > If you used the Live CD to install, that should work fine. > Earl > > URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net > Instant messenger: earlcoyote > ICQ:64033496 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > now. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jan 28 20:29:10 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:29:10 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <45BCBC69.3020801@gmail.com> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BCBC69.3020801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701281529.34896.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 28 January 2007 10:08, O. Sinclair wrote: > Well, I have ripped but am using KAudioCreator Ripper, not K3b. I tried > K3b but it is like it is conflicting with mounting of the CD somehow. k3b is for burning, not ripping. Two ways to rip in KDE (probably more): kaudiocreator is KDE's answer to grip (gnome). konqueror makes this easy. 1. insert a CD. 2. Open konqueror and type 'audiocd:/' in the location field. 3. Konqueror will display 'virtual folders' with names like 'ogg', 'mp3', 'wav', etc. 4. Open the folder that you want to rip, and just copy the 'virtual files' to the place you want the audio files on your hard drive. Drag and drop. That's it. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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January 2007 18:55, michaelpo at myjaring.net wrote: > how do I determine if my laptop is overheating or not? > i have compaq presario 2819ap laptop Yuo can try Kima: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33257 -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thomas Olsen My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. -- Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:41:45 -0500 Subject: Scribus In-Reply-To: <45BCE188.4060201@midmaine.com> References: <45BCE188.4060201@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200701281541.45518.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 28 January 2007 12:46 pm, Harold Hartley wrote: > I wonder if anyone has setup Scribus on their system and can tell me > where and how I need to get the ICC color profiles. I even wonder if > they are really important enough for myself to be concern about it. > Can I run Scribus ok without the ICC color profile. I don't know anything about color management, but it looks like Google does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_color_management http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/08/1712218 http://linux.vilars.com/ That looks like a good start getting background on the issue. Whether you need it or not, I expect if you don't know you need it, you probably don't need it. I haven't ever done more with Scribus than look at it briefly though. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 28 20:45:21 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:45:21 -0500 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: References: <608501.21663.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701281545.21637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 28 January 2007 3:19 pm, Lokeey wrote: > how so exactly? > > what i did prior to posting was install kubuntu on one of my other > partitions on my 2nd HDD to see if i could extract the data some how, but > i'm not sure exactly what to do? Did you format the partition, or just delete it? If you formatted it, I have no idea how to recover the data. If you deleted it, and if you can figure out what its boundaries used to be, you can re-create it using sfdisk. I did this several years ago, but I no longer remember enough of the details to give you a set of instructions. It was really complicated, and not at all for the faint of heart. I had some uberguru taking me by the hand, and I'm not enough of a guru to turn around and extend the same hand back to you, I'm afraid. -- D. Michael McIntyre From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sun Jan 28 20:35:43 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:35:43 -0800 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272000.05936.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87wt38p96f.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> Donn writes: > I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I > don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of > life on the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. In the About Ubuntu section of http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, on the first line: "Ubuntu is a free, open source Linux-based operating system that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months)" How much clearer can they make it? On of the raison d'être of Ubuntu has always been that it will be upgraded every six months. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sun Jan 28 20:37:37 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:37:37 -0800 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <45BAD1F2.3010003@sklinks.com> <873b5w9aww.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701272029.10767.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <87ac02j3am.fsf@fjellstad.org> Art Alexion writes: > On Saturday 27 January 2007 02:38, John L Fjellstad wrote: >> How would upgrading KDE (a desktop environment) not affect the whole >> system? > > Because it would have no effect on the non-KDE things of which there > are many. Almost half of the packages of a default installed Kubuntu installation are KDE related. The idea that updating KDE would be a minor event... not sure how to answer that -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Sun Jan 28 21:18:17 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:18:17 +0100 Subject: Converting or OCRing PDF to text Message-ID: <45BD1319.4080009@bluewin.ch> Hi, all. I have a few articles in .pdf format I'd need to convert (or OCR) to plain text, .odf or .doc format. Any advice for this Linux newbie? Any help will be thankfully appreciated jdh _________________ kubuntu 6.06 LTS on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 21:29:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:29:41 +0200 Subject: Converting or OCRing PDF to text In-Reply-To: <45BD1319.4080009@bluewin.ch> References: <45BD1319.4080009@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200701282329.41577.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I have a few articles in .pdf format I'd need to convert (or OCR) to > plain text, .odf or .doc format. > Any advice for this Linux newbie? Hi, check what these commands give you: pdftotext or pdftohtml I use them to read pdfs at the command-line. HTH /d From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Sun Jan 28 21:30:08 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (Grumpy_Penguin) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:30:08 -0700 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: <200701281545.21637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200701281545.21637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701281430.08413.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Sunday 28 January 2007 13:45, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 3:19 pm, Lokeey wrote: > > how so exactly? > > > > what i did prior to posting was install kubuntu on one of my other > > partitions on my 2nd HDD to see if i could extract the data some how, but > > i'm not sure exactly what to do? > > Did you format the partition, or just delete it? If you formatted it, I > have no idea how to recover the data. If you deleted it, and if you can > figure out what its boundaries used to be, you can re-create it using > sfdisk. I did this several years ago, but I no longer remember enough of > the details to give you a set of instructions. It was really complicated, > and not at all for the faint of heart. I had some uberguru taking me by > the hand, and I'm not enough of a guru to turn around and extend the same > hand back to you, I'm afraid. OK, you've now crossed over into the realm of super nerds, whereby even regular nerds steal your lunch money and throw rocks at you. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Sun Jan 28 21:36:41 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:36:41 +0100 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: References: <200701222205.42847.Neckenrode@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:28 -0800 Chris wrote: > Try ensuring that /etc/init.d/powersaved for the overheating problem. > I know that I had to add my user to the root group, add my user to the > root privilages in /etc/sudoers, and then I had to create a small > script to execute sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart whenever KDE > starts. That worked for me, though YMMV. That solved my CPU > throttling problem which is the cause of most of my overheating. > > HTH. > > On 1/22/07, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > > On Monday 22 January 2007 20:50, Rodolfo Novak wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft on my Fujitsu Likebook S6231. I > > > was wondering if somebody has the same system and was able to optimize for > > > it. I couldnt find drivers. Even though the system runs, the mouse pad is a > > > little sloppy, i cant hibernate, its overheating a bit. Overall I would > > > like some tips from Fujitsu laptop users. > > Try cross posting this issue with th Laptop-Testing list as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks! FWIW I had the almost similar issues on a Fujitsu lifebook E series. Kubuntu as well as Mandriva2007 give the same troubles. As of this moment I'm installing Slackware 11.0 on it with a 2.4 kernel, suspecting it' s a kernel thingy. Didn't get edgy to work on a 2.4 so i'll just give this a go. The laptop doesn't overheat using an ol' Slackware live CD, hence my trying the 2.4 kernel. I'll keep y'all posted if it works. -- Good luck, HarM. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 28 22:23:49 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:23:49 -0500 Subject: Converting or OCRing PDF to text In-Reply-To: <200701282329.41577.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45BD1319.4080009@bluewin.ch> <200701282329.41577.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701281723.49873.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 28 January 2007 4:29 pm, Donn wrote: > > I have a few articles in .pdf format I'd need to convert (or OCR) to > > plain text, .odf or .doc format. > > Any advice for this Linux newbie? > > Hi, check what these commands give you: > pdftotext > or > pdftohtml Same thing I was going to suggest, more or less. I use pdftohtml, then load the HTML into OpenOffice and export it or save as or whatever to convert it to OO.o-native format. (I think you have to export it or send it, so you don't wind up with an OO.o document that still behaves like a one-page HTML file, but I can't remember the details, and I just closed OO.o, and am too lazy to sit here while it warms back up.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From golan at notreally.org Sun Jan 28 22:33:52 2007 From: golan at notreally.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Roncero Franco) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:33:52 +0100 Subject: ALSA and mpd In-Reply-To: <200701272226.22064.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <20070128012445.GA11211@momona2> <200701272226.22064.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <20070128223352.GB11211@momona2> on 27/Jan/2007 at 22:26:21, D. Michael McIntyre wrote > On Saturday 27 January 2007 8:24 pm, Jesús Roncero Franco wrote: > > My laptop is an IBM z60m with this soundcard: > > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) > > High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) > > I don't know the fix, or if there is a fix, but I can tell you a lot of people > have been having problems specifically with that chipset. Oh, too bad. It seems that it's also having problems with lastfm's player because not getting the soundcard... Anyway, thanks -- Jesús Roncero http://notreally.org From gmane at auxbuss.com Sun Jan 28 22:57:05 2007 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:57:05 -0000 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension Message-ID: Hi, I just updated Firefox to the latest Dapper version via aptitude. When I load FF it now brings up a page at http://users.skynet.be stating: FATAL ERROR: The dynamic C library contained in the extension file could not be found. So, I dutifully removed and reinstalled the extension - ensuring I was using the correct version, but the problem remains. Any ideas? -- Cheers, Marc From m-wright at eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 23:34:39 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:34:39 -0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> How should one evaluate "hot"? My Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 runs warm, but if it were a cup of coffee, I'd consider it too cool to drink happily. My Dell Inspiron 3500 runs dead cold with RedHat 8. Maynard ------------------------------------------------ On Sunday 28 January 2007 13:36, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:28:28 -0800 > > Chris wrote: > > Try ensuring that /etc/init.d/powersaved for the overheating problem. > > I know that I had to add my user to the root group, add my user to the > > root privilages in /etc/sudoers, and then I had to create a small > > script to execute sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart whenever KDE > > starts. That worked for me, though YMMV. That solved my CPU > > throttling problem which is the cause of most of my overheating. > > > > HTH. > > > > On 1/22/07, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: > > > On Monday 22 January 2007 20:50, Rodolfo Novak wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft on my Fujitsu Likebook > > > > S6231. I was wondering if somebody has the same system and was able > > > > to optimize for it. I couldnt find drivers. Even though the system > > > > runs, the mouse pad is a little sloppy, i cant hibernate, its > > > > overheating a bit. Overall I would like some tips from Fujitsu laptop > > > > users. > > > > > > Try cross posting this issue with th Laptop-Testing list as well. > > > > > > > Thanks! > > FWIW I had the almost similar issues on a Fujitsu lifebook E series. > Kubuntu as well as Mandriva2007 give the same troubles. > > As of this moment I'm installing Slackware 11.0 on it with a 2.4 kernel, > suspecting it' s a kernel thingy. Didn't get edgy to work on a 2.4 so i'll > just give this a go. > The laptop doesn't overheat using an ol' Slackware live CD, hence my trying > the 2.4 kernel. > > I'll keep y'all posted if it works. > -- > > Good luck, > HarM. From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Mon Jan 29 00:37:39 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:37:39 +0100 Subject: Converting or OCRing PDF to text (solved) In-Reply-To: <200701281723.49873.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45BD1319.4080009@bluewin.ch> <200701282329.41577.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701281723.49873.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <45BD41D3.3040106@bluewin.ch> Thank you, Michael McIntyre and Donn. pdftotext works beautifully! jdh D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 4:29 pm, Donn wrote: > >>> I have a few articles in .pdf format I'd need to convert (or OCR) to >>> plain text, .odf or .doc format. >>> Any advice for this Linux newbie? >>> >> Hi, check what these commands give you: >> pdftotext >> or >> pdftohtml >> > > Same thing I was going to suggest, more or less. I use pdftohtml, then load > the HTML into OpenOffice and export it or save as or whatever to convert it > to OO.o-native format. (I think you have to export it or send it, so you > don't wind up with an OO.o document that still behaves like a one-page HTML > file, but I can't remember the details, and I just closed OO.o, and am too > lazy to sit here while it warms back up.) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tudza at tudza.com Mon Jan 29 01:48:39 2007 From: tudza at tudza.com (tudza) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:48:39 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs Message-ID: <45BD5277.6040600@tudza.com> Well lets see: I saw mention of virtual folders, making ripping and encoding a CD a drag and drop operation. I thought this was really cool way back when I found out about it, until I found that I got no warning if the process failed. I put in a CD and drag all the .ogg files over to a folder, I try and play them and find many do not work. X-ripper does indeed do a better job than the tools that come ready installed with Kubuntu. Maybe because it comes with the cd paranoia option? I think I have used gripper in the past, maybe under Linspire? Still, the same CD that does not work on my Linux machine, no matter what program I'm using, does succeed on my Windows machine. And that includes my previous Linux machine. You see, since I got a new machine to run Linux I thought I'd give CD ripping another chance. No dice. From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Mon Jan 29 01:55:32 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:55:32 +0100 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:34:39 -0800 Maynard wrote: > > How should one evaluate "hot"? My Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 runs warm, but > if it were a cup of coffee, I'd consider it too cool to drink happily. My > Dell Inspiron 3500 runs dead cold with RedHat 8. > > Maynard I'd say "hot" when it just shuts down or crashes. The thing just isn't usable and more than often wont even boot. Been running with 2.4 kernel (slackware 11) for more than 4 hours now without more than 40 degr. -- Good luck, HarM. From anthonybaldwin at optonline.net Mon Jan 29 02:00:21 2007 From: anthonybaldwin at optonline.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:00:21 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <200701281529.34896.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45BCA906.6010705@tudza.com> <200701281637.14658.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BCBC69.3020801@gmail.com> <200701281529.34896.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45BD5535.9050404@optonline.net> Art Alexion wrote: >On Sunday 28 January 2007 10:08, O. Sinclair wrote: > > >>Well, I have ripped but am using KAudioCreator Ripper, not K3b. I tried >>K3b but it is like it is conflicting with mounting of the CD somehow. >> >> I always use Grip. I know, it´s a gnome app, but, I like it. It works. tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com http://www.photodharma.com --------BEGIN GEEK CODE-------- Version: 3.1 GED/FA/H/L$ d-- s-:-- a C++ L+++ W++ w--- M PS++ PE-- PGP+ t+ tv-- b++++ G e++++ h---- r++++ y++++ --------END GEEK CODE---------- From tudza at tudza.com Mon Jan 29 02:43:20 2007 From: tudza at tudza.com (tudza) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:43:20 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <45BD5277.6040600@tudza.com> References: <45BD5277.6040600@tudza.com> Message-ID: <45BD5F48.3030307@tudza.com> Well, grip was a good suggestion. For the particular CDs in question, it is getting past the first several tracks that were completely stopping KAudioCreator and an alternative Java application. I'm not sure if it is the cd paranoia stuff or not. The Java ripper I tried has this as an option and I had it selected. Grip is still working much slower than the freeware ripper I use on Windows. I don't think it is a complete solution to the problem From vayu at sklinks.com Mon Jan 29 03:23:48 2007 From: vayu at sklinks.com (Vayu) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:23:48 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu useless for ripping CDs In-Reply-To: <45BD5F48.3030307@tudza.com> References: <45BD5277.6040600@tudza.com> <45BD5F48.3030307@tudza.com> Message-ID: <45BD68C4.1010505@sklinks.com> Maybe you don't have DMA enabled for your drive? sudo hdparm /dev/hdb Replace hdb for whatever your CD drive is. What does it say about dma? tudza wrote: > Well, grip was a good suggestion. > > For the particular CDs in question, it is getting past the first several > tracks that were completely stopping KAudioCreator and an alternative > Java application. > > I'm not sure if it is the cd paranoia stuff or not. The Java ripper I > tried has this as an option and I had it selected. > > Grip is still working much slower than the freeware ripper I use on > Windows. I don't think it is a complete solution to the problem > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 07:02:37 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:37 +0200 Subject: Circular Menus In-Reply-To: <200701271333.56595.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200701271333.56595.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701282302j33825d3dq9cdf534d89aad09a@mail.gmail.com> On 27/01/07, Robert Tilley wrote: > This has probably been covered before. Do any programs exist to implement > circular menus? A circular menu is when the menu title is clicked, the > various sub-commands are arrayed in a circle. This minimizes mouse cursor > movement and allows faster access to commands. > > Any information is most appreciated, Bob There is a wish-bug. Go vote for it: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123284 Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/450/sister_hazel.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/touch.html From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 07:15:46 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:15:46 -0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: I say a machine is too "hot" when it's warmer than room-temperature (assuming you're not in a classroom, which are always cold). On 1/28/07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:34:39 -0800 > Maynard wrote: > > > > > How should one evaluate "hot"? My Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 runs warm, but > > if it were a cup of coffee, I'd consider it too cool to drink happily. My > > Dell Inspiron 3500 runs dead cold with RedHat 8. > > > > Maynard > > I'd say "hot" when it just shuts down or crashes. > The thing just isn't usable and more than often wont even boot. > > Been running with 2.4 kernel (slackware 11) for more than 4 hours now without more than 40 degr. > > -- > > Good luck, > HarM. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 07:58:41 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:58:41 +0200 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <45BDA931.3090908@gmail.com> I would say that this is not so easy. What part of the laptop is hot? I have 2 Dell, one older 500m and one 6400 (Inspiron). The 500m has parts that are near scorching when you touch them after running for some time. Yet if I check the cpu temp it is OK and the laptop never have problems. the 6400 is reported to have problems with the cpu getting so hot it shuts down. I run a software to control the cpu fans and let the cpu oscillate between 35 - 50 C. Other parts of the laptop are again uncomfortably hot to touch or have on your lap. Am still not sure whether the cpu fan control is needed but run it to avoid potential problems. I would check ubuntuforums.org and similar for other users of same laptop and see if I find issues/solutions. Sinclair Chris Miller wrote: > I say a machine is too "hot" when it's warmer than room-temperature > (assuming you're not in a classroom, which are always cold). > > On 1/28/07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:34:39 -0800 >> Maynard wrote: >> >>> How should one evaluate "hot"? My Toshiba Satellite L25-S119 runs warm, but >>> if it were a cup of coffee, I'd consider it too cool to drink happily. My >>> Dell Inspiron 3500 runs dead cold with RedHat 8. >>> >>> Maynard >> I'd say "hot" when it just shuts down or crashes. >> The thing just isn't usable and more than often wont even boot. >> >> Been running with 2.4 kernel (slackware 11) for more than 4 hours now without more than 40 degr. >> >> -- >> >> Good luck, >> HarM. >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > From dgvirtual at akl.lt Mon Jan 29 08:21:51 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:21:51 +0200 Subject: Converting or OCRing PDF to text (solved) In-Reply-To: <45BD41D3.3040106@bluewin.ch> References: <45BD1319.4080009@bluewin.ch> <200701281723.49873.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <45BD41D3.3040106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200701291021.51998.dgvirtual@akl.lt> pirmadienis 29 sausis 2007, john d. herron rašė: > Thank you, Michael McIntyre and Donn. > pdftotext works beautifully! > jdh > > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Sunday 28 January 2007 4:29 pm, Donn wrote: > >>> I have a few articles in .pdf format I'd need to convert (or OCR) to > >>> plain text, .odf or .doc format. > >>> Any advice for this Linux newbie? > >> > >> Hi, check what these commands give you: > >> pdftotext > >> or > >> pdftohtml > > > > Same thing I was going to suggest, more or less. I use pdftohtml, then > > load the HTML into OpenOffice and export it or save as or whatever to > > convert it to OO.o-native format. (I think you have to export it or send > > it, so you don't wind up with an OO.o document that still behaves like a > > one-page HTML file, but I can't remember the details, and I just closed > > OO.o, and am too lazy to sit here while it warms back up.) You can also try Kword, which can import pdf files, including the graphics. It will suffice for the basic import, though it cannot handle more subtle things like tables. -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From juergen.sauer at automatix.de Mon Jan 29 08:23:16 2007 From: juergen.sauer at automatix.de (Juergen Sauer) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:23:16 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701281235.41426.kubuntu@kitterman.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701280108.06305.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> <200701281235.41426.kubuntu@kitterman.com> Message-ID: <200701290923.20254.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Am Sonntag, 28. Januar 2007 18:35 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > If you go install Kubuntu Dapper you will get 3.5.2. That is what's > part of the official release. To get a later KDE you had to go enable > a special repository for it. And KDE 3.5.x was released on kubuntu.org - from the origin kubuntu server for dapper. This implies to me and others, it _is_ officially released and part of kubuntu. > I may, if I get time, download and build 3.5.6 for Dapper myself, but > would strongly prefer it if Jonathan Riddell would do it. I'd prefer is like the same way. Building a Bugfix release is noa as easy as is looks to noobs. > Personally, if I were in his shows I'd be inclined not to do this sort > of thing in the future due to all the complaining it's engendered. > Fortunately, I'm not and I hope he continues to provide this valuable > service to the community. I hope also. The big problem behind is, that for many applications it is not possible to "upgrade" to edgy, because edgy breaks a lot of important compability, by dropping "linux-thread" support. i.E. "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1" does not work anymore. This breaks support for SapDB, SAP /R3 and other very important applications. regards J. Sauer automatiX GmbH, proffessionell Linux Support -- Jürgen Sauer - AutomatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, jojo at automatix.de Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Java ripper I > tried has this as an option and I had it selected. > > Grip is still working much slower than the freeware ripper I use on > Windows. I don't think it is a complete solution to the problem > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 08:49:09 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:49:09 +0200 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > So, I dutifully removed and reinstalled the extension - ensuring I was > using the correct version, but the problem remains. Don't know that extension, but if you remove it totally does the error go away and does FF work? If so, ditch the extension and find another. /d From gmane at auxbuss.com Mon Jan 29 09:14:15 2007 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:14:15 -0000 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension References: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn said... > > So, I dutifully removed and reinstalled the extension - ensuring I was > > using the correct version, but the problem remains. > Don't know that extension, but if you remove it totally does the error go away > and does FF work? Yes > If so, ditch the extension and find another. :-| It's a key tool for accessibility testing. If there is an equivalent alternative that would be great. As it is, Firefox has just become a dead weight on Linux... but works fine on Windows :-o -- Cheers, Marc From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 09:26:29 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:26:29 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Donn writes: > > I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I > > don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of > > life on the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. > In the About Ubuntu section of http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, on the > first line: > "Ubuntu is a free, open source Linux-based operating system that starts > with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months)" > How much clearer can they make it? John, I have learnt a lot more about Gnu/Linux in the last 4 days than I have in the last 4 years, and I am clear on why the latest apps won't run on "old" distros -- not crystal clear, but I have the big picture. Still, I must comment on your reply above. If you spoke that quote aloud to a Windows user they would look at you as if you had just spoke Klingon. Linux? Debian? Breadth of Debian? The regular releases part would not clarify an already wildly confused start. What I am saying is that users use apps not Windows, not Gnu/Linux, not Mac O/S etc. They use the apps they need and they like to keep using the latest version of those apps. The "upgrade treadmill" I refer to is not made clear by that quote at all. I am sorry, but normal people don't come to some mystical understanding about the realities of Gnu\Linux by reading something like that -- it is not clear at all. Something like this should be said, to maintain integrity: "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system. It makes many applications available at no cost during each of its 6 monthly releases. New versions of applications like Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office to name but a few will be available at each upgrade. You should be aware that should you wish to upgrade to a new version of a particular application, you may have to upgrade to the latest release of Ubuntu; for technical reasons many new applications cannot be run from older releases of Ubuntu." Now I ain't no copywriter and that can be made shorter, but the elemental confession about the "lifetime" of applications on Ubuntu ought to be spelled-out because it's vital information. If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over the one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any version can run on any Windows of any version. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 09:31:10 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:31:10 +0200 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension In-Reply-To: References: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291131.10905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > :-| It's a key tool for accessibility testing. If there is an equivalent > > alternative that would be great. As it is, Firefox has just become a > dead weight on Linux... but works fine on Windows :-o Hi -- I agree that FF on Windows is better. It's a horrible state of affairs, but it seems inevitable given how complex the world of Linux software is. As to the extension missing a C library ... Um... I am no expert, perhaps you can open the extensions source files (usually a form of javascript I think) in a text editor and look for the C library in question. Or try to find if FF keeps a log somewhere. The idea is to identify that C lib. After that you can see if it is on the machine and make links to fool the extension. If it's not on the machine you can try {apt-file search X} (install apt-file first, then apt-file update) where X is the name of the C lib. It should show you which packages include that lib and you at least have a way to get it. (or google it -- or tell me and I'll look for it here, perhaps I can email it to u) HTH /d From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 11:38:37 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:38:37 +0200 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension In-Reply-To: <200701291131.10905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701291131.10905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701290338t3ee8b204j8014e9aea1cd477c@mail.gmail.com> On 29/01/07, Donn wrote: > > :-| It's a key tool for accessibility testing. If there is an equivalent > > > > alternative that would be great. As it is, Firefox has just become a > > dead weight on Linux... but works fine on Windows :-o > Hi -- I agree that FF on Windows is better. It's a horrible state of affairs, > but it seems inevitable given how complex the world of Linux software is. > > As to the extension missing a C library ... Um... I am no expert, perhaps you > can open the extensions source files (usually a form of javascript I think) > in a text editor and look for the C library in question. Or try to find if FF > keeps a log somewhere. > The idea is to identify that C lib. After that you can see if it is on the > machine and make links to fool the extension. > If it's not on the machine you can try {apt-file search X} (install apt-file > first, then apt-file update) where X is the name of the C lib. It should show > you which packages include that lib and you at least have a way to get it. > (or google it -- or tell me and I'll look for it here, perhaps I can email it > to u) > > HTH > > /d Better yet, contact the developer tof the extension and inform him so that he can fix it. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/454/sonique.html http://kubuntu.info From lokeey at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 12:23:23 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:23:23 -0600 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: <200701281545.21637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <608501.21663.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200701281545.21637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: On 1/28/07, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Sunday 28 January 2007 3:19 pm, Lokeey wrote: > > how so exactly? > > > > what i did prior to posting was install kubuntu on one of my other > > partitions on my 2nd HDD to see if i could extract the data some how, > but > > i'm not sure exactly what to do? > > Did you format the partition, or just delete it? I believe I may have > formatted it. If you formatted it, I have > no idea how to recover the data. If you deleted it, and if you can figure > out what its boundaries used to be, you can re-create it using sfdisk. > Prior to formatting, I had attempted to perform sfdisk on it, but no good. > I did > this several years ago, but I no longer remember enough of the details to > give you a set of instructions. It was really complicated, and not at all > for the faint of heart. I had some uberguru taking me by the hand, and > I'm > not enough of a guru to turn around and extend the same hand back to you, > I'm > afraid. That's fine! I do appreciate your candid honesty, though. :) -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701251119.47566.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701262335.06313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 25 January 2007 6:15 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > KDE. I have no idea why. As you say, the checkboxes are there; they >> > just don't work. >> >> Worked for me... > > I've always wondered if it has something to do with my keyboard perchance. > I > have an old keyboard I've been typing on since 1991. One of the original > Microsoft Natural keyboards, with all the keycaps worn down almost to nubs > and about 10,000,000 words on it. It shouldn't - since the "command" field is just a setxkbmap command (which you could paste into a terminal session), then if you can make it work directly, it should work in KDE. If it isn't working in KDE, it must not even be attempting to execute that command. -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 14:29:59 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:29:59 +0200 Subject: mp3 to ogg Message-ID: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from terminal or is there a GUI of some kind? Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 14:52:24 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:52:24 +0200 Subject: mp3 to ogg In-Reply-To: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> References: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291652.25006.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 29 January 2007 16:29, O. Sinclair wrote: > I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from terminal > or is there a GUI of some kind? > > Sinclair A google on "linux mp3 to ogg" Pointed me to : http://www.mp3-howto.com/mp3-howto-9.html#ss9.6 Or you can lame to wav and oggenc to ogg. HTH /d From urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si Mon Jan 29 14:52:24 2007 From: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si (Urtzi Jauregi) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:52:24 +0100 Subject: "Key switches keyboard layout while pressed" -- how? In-Reply-To: References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701262335.06313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200701291552.24394.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> On Monday 29 January 2007 15:05, Derek Broughton wrote: > It shouldn't - since the "command" field is just a setxkbmap command (which > you could paste into a terminal session), then if you can make it work > directly, it should work in KDE.  If it isn't working in KDE, it must not > even be attempting to execute that command. It doesn't execute the command. I've tried exactly that, with no results. - Urtzi - -- Urtzi Jauregi Fakulteta za Matematiko in Fiziko, Univerza v Ljubljani Jadranska 19, Si-1000 Ljubljana Slovenija Tel: ++386 01 540 13 53 e-mail: urtzi at fmf.uni-lj.si From nixternal at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 29 15:02:26 2007 From: nixternal at ubuntu.com (Rich Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:26 -0600 Subject: mp3 to ogg In-Reply-To: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> References: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701290902.26699.nixternal@ubuntu.com> On Monday 29 January 2007, O. Sinclair wrote: | I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from terminal | or is there a GUI of some kind? | | Sinclair soundKonverter for GUI and over at KDE-Apps.org is an application called pacpl which is a perl application for converting that I use religiously now. -- Rich Johnson nixternal at ubuntu.com GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You would be far better off sonicly to locate the cd and re-rip it to the ogg format. To me, using similarly sized output files at the higher quality settings, q7 for ogg, 192khz for the mp3, the ogg clearly wins the listenability test here. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From juergen.sauer at automatix.de Mon Jan 29 14:59:44 2007 From: juergen.sauer at automatix.de (Juergen Sauer) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:59:44 +0100 Subject: mp3 to ogg In-Reply-To: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> References: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291559.48156.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 15:29 schrieb O. Sinclair: > I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from > terminal or is there a GUI of some kind? Audacity does do the job in a Gui (including editing). But for a single or huge batch job I'd prefer $ mpg123 -w out.wav $ oggenc out.wav ... those may be done as script ... but the tags are gone using mpg123 + oggenc, if those are not saved before ... Jojo -- Jürgen Sauer - AutomatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, jojo at automatix.de Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 15:24:36 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:36 +0200 Subject: mp3 to ogg In-Reply-To: <200701290902.26699.nixternal@ubuntu.com> References: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> <200701290902.26699.nixternal@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <45BE11B4.3020208@gmail.com> That did the trick, thanks. Sometimes this K business confuses, I search for soundconvert in Adept and came up with Gnomebased stuff only. Sinclair Rich Johnson wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007, O. Sinclair wrote: > | I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from terminal > | or is there a GUI of some kind? > | > | Sinclair > > soundKonverter for GUI > > and over at KDE-Apps.org is an application called pacpl which is a perl > application for converting that I use religiously now. > > From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 15:33:02 2007 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:33:02 +0100 Subject: mp3 to ogg In-Reply-To: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> References: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291633.13531.tanghus@gmail.com> On Monday 29 January 2007 15:29, O. Sinclair wrote: > I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from terminal > or is there a GUI of some kind? > > Sinclair $ apt-cache search mp32ogg mp32ogg - Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis tol at tanghus:~/Downloads$ apt-cache show mp32ogg Package: mp32ogg Priority: optional Section: universe/sound Installed-Size: 64 Maintainer: Julien Danjou Architecture: all Version: 0.11-6 Depends: perl, vorbis-tools, mpg321 (>= 0.2), libmp3-info-perl, libstring-shellquote-perl Filename: pool/universe/m/mp32ogg/mp32ogg_0.11-6_all.deb Size: 7462 MD5sum: f7a7ee357869a2d71117a14c4155381d Description: Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis This is a small script to convert recursively your MP3 files and directory to Ogg Vorbis. Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Origin: Ubuntu You'll have to enable the Universe repository. I bet you can find a Konqueror service menu for it at http://www.kde-apps.org -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thomas Olsen To get something clean, one has to get something dirty. 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References: <200701251122.36806.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> <200701262335.06313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200701291552.24394.urtzi@fmf.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <2bf194-jmb.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Urtzi Jauregi wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007 15:05, Derek Broughton wrote: >> It shouldn't - since the "command" field is just a setxkbmap command >> (which you could paste into a terminal session), then if you can make it >> work directly, it should work in KDE.  If it isn't working in KDE, it >> must not even be attempting to execute that command. > > It doesn't execute the command. I've tried exactly that, with no results. > Which is odd, since it seems to have done so for me. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 15:54:51 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:54:51 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <87ac02j3am.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272029.10767.art.alexion@verizon.net> <87ac02j3am.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200701291054.53194.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 28 January 2007 15:37, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Art Alexion writes: > > On Saturday 27 January 2007 02:38, John L Fjellstad wrote: > >> How would upgrading KDE (a desktop environment) not affect the whole > >> system? > > > > Because it would have no effect on the non-KDE things of which there > > are many. > > Almost half of the packages of a default installed Kubuntu installation > are KDE related. The idea that updating KDE would be a minor > event... not sure how to answer that John, your question was, "How would upgrading KDE (a desktop environment) not affect the whole system?", not whether it "would be a minor event". -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions for a fix other than a fresh install? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I noted in your email that you tried to drag and drop ogg. Did this take as long? -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 16:22:59 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:22:59 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> This is tiresome nonsense. Try running iTunes on Win9x -- can't do it. Or the latest Turbo Tax for that matter. Try running any win32 software on win3.1. For that matter try running OS X apps on MacOS 9.x -- can't do it. This is just how operating systems with shared libraries work. If you want to run the same OS version for 5+ years without a choice of upgrading to something truly different, stick with Windows. If you want THE CHOICE of frequent upgrades, Ubuntu is one of many Linux choices. On Monday 29 January 2007 04:26, Donn wrote: > > Donn writes: > > > I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I > > > don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of > > > life on the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. > > > > In the About Ubuntu section of http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, on the > > first line: > > "Ubuntu is a free, open source Linux-based operating system that starts > > with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months)" > > How much clearer can they make it? > > John, > I have learnt a lot more about Gnu/Linux in the last 4 days than I have in > the last 4 years, and I am clear on why the latest apps won't run on "old" > distros -- not crystal clear, but I have the big picture. > > Still, I must comment on your reply above. If you spoke that quote aloud to > a Windows user they would look at you as if you had just spoke Klingon. > Linux? Debian? Breadth of Debian? The regular releases part would not > clarify an already wildly confused start. > > What I am saying is that users use apps not Windows, not Gnu/Linux, not Mac > O/S etc. They use the apps they need and they like to keep using the latest > version of those apps. The "upgrade treadmill" I refer to is not made clear > by that quote at all. I am sorry, but normal people don't come to some > mystical understanding about the realities of Gnu\Linux by reading > something like that -- it is not clear at all. > > Something like this should be said, to maintain integrity: > "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system. It makes many applications > available at no cost during each of its 6 monthly releases. New versions of > applications like Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office to name but a few > will be available at each upgrade. You should be aware that should you wish > to upgrade to a new version of a particular application, you may have to > upgrade to the latest release of Ubuntu; for technical reasons many new > applications cannot be run from older releases of Ubuntu." > > Now I ain't no copywriter and that can be made shorter, but the elemental > confession about the "lifetime" of applications on Ubuntu ought to be > spelled-out because it's vital information. > > If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over > the one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any > version can run on any Windows of any version. > > > /d -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 16:39:37 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:39:37 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701291839.37754.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > This is tiresome nonsense. Art, please read my post before laying into a straw man. I am not complaining in any way and I even state that I have more insight about the issue now. My point was in how Ubuntu describes itself to new comers. > Try running iTunes on Win9x -- can't do it. Or > the latest Turbo Tax for that matter. Try running any win32 software on > win3.1. What you describe is certainly true, but they are the exceptions. /d From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 16:36:27 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:36:27 -0500 Subject: mp3 to ogg In-Reply-To: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> References: <45BE04E7.1050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291136.28867.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 09:29, O. Sinclair wrote: > I need to convert an mp3 file to ogg format. Can I do that from terminal > or is there a GUI of some kind? GUI -> SoundKonverter Command line oggdec for ogg to wav, then lame for wav to mp3 or edit this script I used to use before I got k3b #!/bin/bash for i in ./*.ogg; do sox -V ${i//ogg/ogg} ${i//ogg/cdr}; done cdrecord -v speed=10 dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree -dao -pad -overburn -audio ./*.cdr rm *.cdr Be aware that lossy ogg to lossy mp3 will further degrade the sound quality. I wanted to do this for loading ogg files into my iPod and found the best solution was the transcode script. This script converts ogg and flac files to aac on the fly while loading the iPod without disturbing the original file. That way you still retain the better quality original file on your HD. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From angusprune at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 16:43:39 2007 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:43:39 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <18cdd8230701290843r651a2bdah9e62a559ee6f9fac@mail.gmail.com> To be fair we're not talking about 5+ years, we're talking about a release less than a year ago. I'm not arguing that things should be run differently, and I don't know enough about the technical issues to have any opinion other than the official one on whether kde 3.5.6 should be backported BUT this user isn't talking about trying to run World of Warcraft on windows 3.1 He's talking about, to hijack your mac analogy running a piece of software on OSX(Big Cat -1). Something the whole non-linux world is able to do - I needn't update windows every 6 months, I needn't update OSX every 6 months to use the latest software(as far as I've heard). This is a new user, who hasn't made friends with his approach to this list, but he was confused by what the Long Term Support version of our operating system offered in terms of long term support. Perhaps we should take that away with us and work out whether this guy is just dim or whether these issues aren't made clear to new users. There is allot of /basic/ information about Linux which isn't handed to the new user on a plate when, in my opinion it should be. Perhaps this is yet another example of this. James On 1/29/07, Art Alexion wrote: > This is tiresome nonsense. Try running iTunes on Win9x -- can't do it. Or > the latest Turbo Tax for that matter. Try running any win32 software on > win3.1. For that matter try running OS X apps on MacOS 9.x -- can't do it. > > This is just how operating systems with shared libraries work. > > If you want to run the same OS version for 5+ years without a choice of > upgrading to something truly different, stick with Windows. If you want THE > CHOICE of frequent upgrades, Ubuntu is one of many Linux choices. > > > > On Monday 29 January 2007 04:26, Donn wrote: > > > Donn writes: > > > > I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I > > > > don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of > > > > life on the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. > > > > > > In the About Ubuntu section of http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, on the > > > first line: > > > "Ubuntu is a free, open source Linux-based operating system that starts > > > with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months)" > > > How much clearer can they make it? > > > > John, > > I have learnt a lot more about Gnu/Linux in the last 4 days than I have in > > the last 4 years, and I am clear on why the latest apps won't run on "old" > > distros -- not crystal clear, but I have the big picture. > > > > Still, I must comment on your reply above. If you spoke that quote aloud to > > a Windows user they would look at you as if you had just spoke Klingon. > > Linux? Debian? Breadth of Debian? The regular releases part would not > > clarify an already wildly confused start. > > > > What I am saying is that users use apps not Windows, not Gnu/Linux, not Mac > > O/S etc. They use the apps they need and they like to keep using the latest > > version of those apps. The "upgrade treadmill" I refer to is not made clear > > by that quote at all. I am sorry, but normal people don't come to some > > mystical understanding about the realities of Gnu\Linux by reading > > something like that -- it is not clear at all. > > > > Something like this should be said, to maintain integrity: > > "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system. It makes many applications > > available at no cost during each of its 6 monthly releases. New versions of > > applications like Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office to name but a few > > will be available at each upgrade. You should be aware that should you wish > > to upgrade to a new version of a particular application, you may have to > > upgrade to the latest release of Ubuntu; for technical reasons many new > > applications cannot be run from older releases of Ubuntu." > > > > Now I ain't no copywriter and that can be made shorter, but the elemental > > confession about the "lifetime" of applications on Ubuntu ought to be > > spelled-out because it's vital information. > > > > If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over > > the one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any > > version can run on any Windows of any version. > > > > > > /d > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 17:04:47 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:04:47 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230701290843r651a2bdah9e62a559ee6f9fac@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701290843r651a2bdah9e62a559ee6f9fac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > This is a new user, who hasn't made friends with his approach to this > list I was merely asking questions in order to learn. Making or losing friends was not the agenda. If I do not ask questions, even repeatedly until understanding dawns, then how can I learn? How can anyone? If the questions are in a tender area that draws flames, it becomes very tricky. Not my fault, but I am not a troll. > , but he was confused by what the Long Term Support version of our > operating system offered in terms of long term support. Perhaps we > should take that away with us and work out whether this guy is just > dim or whether these issues aren't made clear to new users. Yes - please take that away and think on it. I really do feel that if Ubuntu want to draw users away from Windows that they *must* realize what they are up against. Here it is in one sentence: "I want to run any version of my apps on any version of the O/S I currently have". It is summed-up by saying, "users use apps not operating systems." Now -- I am saying *IF* Gnu/Linux makes it impossible to do this *THEN* it should be spelled-out and quite apparent in all Ubuntu documentation. If it's not spelled-out, then many users (and I have experienced one personally and read many more on the forums) will leave in disgust and confusion. I am saying full disclosure; here are our skeletons, watch them dance! That's all. And I am pretty dim, in a room of 60 watters I'm the dark spot. :D > There is allot of /basic/ information about Linux which isn't handed > to the new user on a plate when, in my opinion it should be. Perhaps > this is yet another example of this. Yes - especially if Ubuntu is aiming at the Windows market. /d From angusprune at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 17:36:00 2007 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:36:00 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701290843r651a2bdah9e62a559ee6f9fac@mail.gmail.com> <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18cdd8230701290936u326be1f2ga36cf80318e08969@mail.gmail.com> On 1/29/07, Donn wrote: > > This is a new user, who hasn't made friends with his approach to this > > list > I was merely asking questions in order to learn. Making or losing friends was > not the agenda. If I do not ask questions, even repeatedly until > understanding dawns, then how can I learn? How can anyone? If the questions > are in a tender area that draws flames, it becomes very tricky. Not my fault, > but I am not a troll. > > > , but he was confused by what the Long Term Support version of our > > operating system offered in terms of long term support. Perhaps we > > should take that away with us and work out whether this guy is just > > dim or whether these issues aren't made clear to new users. > Yes - please take that away and think on it. I really do feel that if Ubuntu > want to draw users away from Windows that they *must* realize what they are > up against. Here it is in one sentence: "I want to run any version of my apps > on any version of the O/S I currently have". It is summed-up by > saying, "users use apps not operating systems." I'm not sure I'd expect the above users to be updating KDE anyway. Surely to those users KDE is part of the operating system rather than an app. Now I don't understand packaging, but isn't it relatively trivial to install 'unsupported' versions of apps on ubuntu by hand anyway (whether from a deb or from source)? So wouldn't those people who /really/ need the latest version of something be able to get it despite it not being supported? > Now -- I am saying *IF* Gnu/Linux makes it impossible to do this *THEN* it > should be spelled-out and quite apparent in all Ubuntu documentation. If it's > not spelled-out, then many users (and I have experienced one personally and > read many more on the forums) will leave in disgust and confusion. > > I am saying full disclosure; here are our skeletons, watch them dance! They aren't skeletons - in windows world you would get App v1.0 They would release a couple of intermediary versions, if at all. I few bug fixes and security updates. Then 18 moths later they would release App v2.0 which may or may not run on the same version of windows, may not save to the same file format, may not be compatible with the same plug-ins etc etc. Just try working in an office with old versions of MS Office on some machines - its a nightmare. In FOSS you will get several releases over that time which gradually add features and enhancements. This has several repercussions, it means, for instance, KDE won't be backported to dapper, it also means its harder to sell releases - there isn't a huge new feature set to sell to the users as they've been getting the features as they were produced. It isn't (and this is what I think has offended some people) a skeleton in the cupboard. It works differently to windows, that is all. You have highlighted however this 'feature' / aspect / difference about linux needs to be explained to new users more effectively. James From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 17:45:16 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:45:16 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <18cdd8230701290843r651a2bdah9e62a559ee6f9fac@mail.gmail.com> <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291245.18074.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 12:04, Donn wrote: > I really do feel that if Ubuntu > want to draw users away from Windows that they *must* realize what they are > up against. Since when is this the goal of Ubuntu, or any Linux for that matter? One of the attributes of being non-commercial is that making money is not the goal so you don't have to compete. I thought the goal of Ubuntu is to provide low cost computing to parts of the world where commercial software is prohibitive. I thought a parallel goal was to produce a Debian-based system with frequent, cutting edge updates. I think Ubuntu is succeeding on both of these goals. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, but afik, the guts haven't changed since w2k, and before that win95, and before that win3.x. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 17:59:00 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:59:00 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230701290936u326be1f2ga36cf80318e08969@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <18cdd8230701290936u326be1f2ga36cf80318e08969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291959.01430.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'm not sure I'd expect the above users to be updating KDE anyway. > Surely to those users KDE is part of the operating system rather than > an app. Yeah - I would put KDE in the O/S category. This thread kind of developed from an earlier comment about the latest KDE not being available on Dapper. Still, if it can be (reasonably) available I think it should be. > Now I don't understand packaging, but isn't it relatively trivial to > install 'unsupported' versions of apps on ubuntu by hand anyway > (whether from a deb or from source)? Yes and no. I have found Firefox 2 and Open Office to be kind of "semi static" in that they bring a bunch of libs and stuff with them and they can run out of a single directory. That's great. It even makes me wonder why they cannot then be brought swiftly into repos for old versions of Ubuntu. But, here's a possible reason, FF2 on Dapper is pretty shaky. It kept crashing on me and I eventually zapped the directory. > So wouldn't those people who /really/ need the latest version of > something be able to get it despite it not being supported? Yes, but then why emphasise apt-get and company? All my comments are in the light of the assumption that Ubuntu is trying to play in the same traffic that Windows plays in. > > Now -- I am saying *IF* Gnu/Linux makes it impossible to do this *THEN* > > it should be spelled-out and quite apparent in all Ubuntu documentation. > > If it's not spelled-out, then many users (and I have experienced one > > personally and read many more on the forums) will leave in disgust and > > confusion. > > I am saying full disclosure; here are our skeletons, watch them dance! > They aren't skeletons - in windows world you would get App v1.0 > They would release a couple of intermediary versions, if at all. I > few bug fixes and security updates. > Then 18 moths later they would release App v2.0 which may or may not > run on the same version of windows, may not save to the same file > format, may not be compatible with the same plug-ins etc etc. I give that I may have had an unusual experience, but my Windows years were nothing like that. I use the example of my pal in Johannesburg who is still on Windows 98 and he runs Firefox 2.0. That's what Windows users expect, it's "natural" (as it was to me before the truth began to dawn.) I never had a problem going from one version of something to the next. I used Dreamweaver 1 through 4. Freehand 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. Corel Draw - many versions. I used various browsers like Opera and Netscape, all with multiple versions. Oh I could spend ages recounting apps. They all worked no matter what Windows I used. > Just try working in an office with old versions of MS Office on some > machines - its a nightmare. My last experience with Office was early in Windows 2000 days. I grant you that since then it may have become more difficult. A lot of this is intentional as Microsoft is starting to edge Pirates out. > In FOSS you will get several releases over that time which gradually > add features and enhancements. This has several repercussions, it > means, for instance, KDE won't be backported to dapper, it also means > its harder to sell releases - there isn't a huge new feature set to > sell to the users as they've been getting the features as they were > produced. Yes - I understand this and I really like that things get better. While I may want to discuss alternative ways that Linux could keep getting better without limiting app-life to distro-life, the current point is to question whether Ubuntu is properly informing the users about this issue. (I really need a better way to say that :) ) > It isn't (and this is what I think has offended some people) a > skeleton in the cupboard. It works differently to windows, that is > all. I hope my slant on the thing is clearer now. > You have highlighted however this 'feature' / aspect / difference > about linux needs to be explained to new users more effectively. Cool. I should have skipped to the end of the email before I began answering! Mea culpa. /d From brymelvin at melvinart.com Mon Jan 29 17:56:11 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:56:11 -0700 Subject: Scribus In-Reply-To: <200701281541.45518.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <45BCE188.4060201@midmaine.com> <200701281541.45518.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1170093372.12247.5.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 15:41 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 12:46 pm, Harold Hartley wrote: > > I wonder if anyone has setup Scribus on their system and can tell me > > where and how I need to get the ICC color profiles. I even wonder if > > they are really important enough for myself to be concern about it. > > Can I run Scribus ok without the ICC color profile. > > I don't know anything about color management, but it looks like Google does. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_color_management > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/08/1712218 > http://linux.vilars.com/ > > That looks like a good start getting background on the issue. Whether you need > it or not, I expect if you don't know you need it, you probably don't need > it. > > I haven't ever done more with Scribus than look at it briefly though. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > There are numerous places to get icc profiles....often from the support of the hardware manufacturer themselves. profiles apply to all profile aware software. If you have been using programs like GIMP successfully without profiles You probably don't need them. If you have a problem getting your photos graphics etc to come out like you want them color wise you probably do. If you produce graphic art and outsource printing you should definitely look into them. Bryann melvinart.com From angusprune at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 17:58:15 2007 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:58:15 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291239.02316.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291123.00805.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701290843r651a2bdah9e62a559ee6f9fac@mail.gmail.com> <200701291239.02316.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <18cdd8230701290958p4da9c0fel4b1dbd715c90ac5b@mail.gmail.com> On 1/29/07, Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007 11:43, Angus Prune wrote: > > To be fair we're not talking about 5+ years, we're talking about a [windows] > > release less than a year ago. > > Yes, but afik, the guts haven't changed since w2k, and before that win95, and > before that win3.x. your square brackets are wrong, I meant [ubuntu] release. He's not trying to run new software on something 5+ years old. He's trying to run new software on something less than a year old. This doesn't affect whether its something that should be supported or not, but it makes it a much more reasonable expectation than running new software on a 5+ year old system. James From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 29 17:49:19 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:49:19 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > Something like this should be said, to maintain integrity: How do you maintain integrity by lying to people? > "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system. It makes many > applications available at no cost during each of its 6 monthly releases. > New versions of applications like Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office to > name but a few will be available at each upgrade. You should be aware that > should you wish to upgrade to a new version of a particular application, > you may have to upgrade to the latest release of Ubuntu; for technical > reasons many new applications cannot be run from older releases of > Ubuntu." That's just plain untrue. You can take the plunge and install any of those apps at any time you wish. Or you can wait for Ubuntu to package them painlessly. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:11:49 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:11:49 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291245.18074.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701291245.18074.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701292011.49551.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > I really do feel that if Ubuntu > > want to draw users away from Windows that they *must* realize what they > > are up against. > > Since when is this the goal of Ubuntu, or any Linux for that matter? One > of the attributes of being non-commercial is that making money is not the > goal so you don't have to compete. I should go on a quote-hunt but it's heading for bed-time here. I base my words on many of the blogs that role into Akregator from Ubuntu sources, and the many articles on Linux news sites. The things that MarkS says are very much "versus Windows" in spirit. I may be totally wrong here, but there is a Linux Zeitgeist that (for better or worse) is positioning itself *versus* Windows. For example Desktoplinux.com has an article titled "A Vista vs. Linux Matchup". > I thought the goal of Ubuntu is to provide low cost computing to parts of > the world where commercial software is prohibitive. I thought a parallel > goal was to produce a Debian-based system with frequent, cutting edge > updates. I think Ubuntu is succeeding on both of these goals. Good question. Am I wrong in my assumptions and impressions? If so then I must eat my hat (it's not red:)) Thoughts anyone? I wanted to quickly add that it's an irony that the country that MarkS hails from (South Africa, where I am) can be described as such a part of the world (where commercial software is prohibitive) and yet our Internet costs us almost the highest rate in the world. We cannot afford to download hundreds of megabytes every six months just to keep-up with the upgrades! We cannot afford to join the digital online world because of greed and a monopoly. I am lucky to have the connection I do have, I know plenty of people who can use a cell-phone but have no idea what email is. /d From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 29 17:05:29 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:05:29 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> Donn wrote: > If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over the > one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any version > can run on any Windows of any version. > > > /d > > Is that true? Can you run a WinXP program on WinME? Win98? Win95? Win3.1? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From peter.niedzinski at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:12:28 2007 From: peter.niedzinski at gmail.com (Peter Niedzinski) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:12:28 -0600 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <18b64b3f0701291012v66c42536t650d2c93fde6477e@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget Vista! On 1/29/07, Wulfy wrote: > > Donn wrote: > > If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over > the > > one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any > version > > can run on any Windows of any version. > > > > > > /d > > > > > Is that true? Can you run a WinXP program on WinME? Win98? Win95? > Win3.1? > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusprune at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:16:37 2007 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:16:37 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291959.01430.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291904.48070.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <18cdd8230701290936u326be1f2ga36cf80318e08969@mail.gmail.com> <200701291959.01430.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18cdd8230701291016i5fdc32c0gef3a5f57f4489273@mail.gmail.com> On 1/29/07, Donn wrote: > > I'm not sure I'd expect the above users to be updating KDE anyway. > > Surely to those users KDE is part of the operating system rather than > > an app. > Yeah - I would put KDE in the O/S category. This thread kind of developed from > an earlier comment about the latest KDE not being available on Dapper. Still, > if it can be (reasonably) available I think it should be. > > > Now I don't understand packaging, but isn't it relatively trivial to > > install 'unsupported' versions of apps on ubuntu by hand anyway > > (whether from a deb or from source)? > Yes and no. I have found Firefox 2 and Open Office to be kind of "semi static" > in that they bring a bunch of libs and stuff with them and they can run out > of a single directory. That's great. It even makes me wonder why they cannot > then be brought swiftly into repos for old versions of Ubuntu. But, here's a > possible reason, FF2 on Dapper is pretty shaky. It kept crashing on me and I > eventually zapped the directory. > > > So wouldn't those people who /really/ need the latest version of > > something be able to get it despite it not being supported? > Yes, but then why emphasise apt-get and company? All my comments are in the > light of the assumption that Ubuntu is trying to play in the same traffic > that Windows plays in. apt-get is something which windows has /no/ equivalent of. It has its drawbacks, upgrading apps on old distros and so on, but the /whole/ thing is an enhancement over windows. Unfortunately it has the consequence (IMHO) of meaning that less work has been done on installing software outside the repo world, but thats something which is being worked on by many people on many projects around the world. > > > Now -- I am saying *IF* Gnu/Linux makes it impossible to do this *THEN* > > > it should be spelled-out and quite apparent in all Ubuntu documentation. > > > If it's not spelled-out, then many users (and I have experienced one > > > personally and read many more on the forums) will leave in disgust and > > > confusion. > > > I am saying full disclosure; here are our skeletons, watch them dance! > > They aren't skeletons - in windows world you would get App v1.0 > > They would release a couple of intermediary versions, if at all. I > > few bug fixes and security updates. > > Then 18 moths later they would release App v2.0 which may or may not > > run on the same version of windows, may not save to the same file > > format, may not be compatible with the same plug-ins etc etc. > I give that I may have had an unusual experience, but my Windows years were > nothing like that. I use the example of my pal in Johannesburg who is still > on Windows 98 and he runs Firefox 2.0. That's what Windows users expect, > it's "natural" (as it was to me before the truth began to dawn.) But those are also the windows users who probably cause an absolute nightmare for every user of this list when they drag them round to clear all the spyware out of the gutter. Don't forget that for most windows users a new operating system ~= a new computer. > I never had a problem going from one version of something to the next. I used > Dreamweaver 1 through 4. Freehand 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. Corel Draw - many > versions. I used various browsers like Opera and Netscape, all with multiple > versions. Oh I could spend ages recounting apps. They all worked no matter > what Windows I used. > > Just try working in an office with old versions of MS Office on some > > machines - its a nightmare. > My last experience with Office was early in Windows 2000 days. I grant you > that since then it may have become more difficult. A lot of this is > intentional as Microsoft is starting to edge Pirates out. You missed my point in both this and the previous section - my point was that I cannot open a doc file created in Office 2003(?) with Office 97, in fact I have never been able to successfully (ie. that it works fully) open an office document with a previous version of office. Now this is a deliberate ploy - why would you update Office otherwise - but it doesn't change that fact that a windows box can /effectively/ (ie, it doesn't open what they want it to) for users more often than you think. One of the directors at work is stubbornly using his old 98 laptop with office 97 on it and it causes all sorts of problems for anyone that has to send anything to him. I think you are overestimating the ease of using windows. It wasn't until I went back to windows (on a laptop) after using linux for 9 months did I /really/ start to see allot of the things which are simply bizarre and unintuitive about it. These were things I just took for granted at the time as I grew up in the windows world - but coming back to windows it seems far more of a pain in the arse than linux. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:25:20 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:25:20 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system. It makes many > > applications available at no cost during each of its 6 monthly releases. > > New versions of applications like Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office to > > name but a few will be available at each upgrade. You should be aware > > that should you wish to upgrade to a new version of a particular > > application, you may have to upgrade to the latest release of Ubuntu; for > > technical reasons many new applications cannot be run from older releases > > of Ubuntu." > > That's just plain untrue. You can take the plunge and install any of those > apps at any time you wish. Or you can wait for Ubuntu to package them > painlessly. I'm more than willing to be shown to be wrong but I am not willfully lying. I have had personal experience of having to move-up to a new version of a distro before I could install the latest version of software. In my case I was on Fedora 3 and I could not get the latest Inkscape (0.44 I think) to work. I had similar trouble with wxPython. (I had to move to Fedora 4. I chose Kubuntu Dapper instead, hoping it would be better at things than Fedora.) More to the point, Firefox 2 is out. Looking at the apt-get update in Dapper, you would not say so. That's my whole point. Please see if you can read the whole thread, perhaps you missed some bits. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:29:10 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:29:10 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701292029.10460.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over > > the one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any > > version can run on any Windows of any version. > Is that true? Can you run a WinXP program on WinME? Win98? Win95? > Win3.1? I would say indubitably so. I know Firefox 2 runs on Windows 98 (unless my pal is fibbing) Admittedly I can't speak about Win 3.11 -- but who the heck does :) I can't speak for Vista either, but I would be confident that Microsoft would not break compatibility willy-nilly. As far as apps from 98 to 2000 to XP go, I have never once experienced a problem. No-one I directly know has either. I am not infallible, but I am confident based on experience. I am sure a few examples (like iTunes) could be made but they really are the exception. /d From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Jan 29 18:41:50 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:41:50 +0200 Subject: Plug and Pray rant Message-ID: <45BE3FEE.9040109@rmk.co.il> Just added a newish LCD 17" to a simple Compaq DesktopPro machine which is probably about 4 or 5 years old. Anyway, as soon as X kicked in (got to the login screen) the [LCD] screen pops up a message saying "Out of Range"; so I did an Ctrl Alt F1 to get to a terminal and after logging in did the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg'. After answering the questions as best I could and letting the auto-detect stuff do their thing, I restarted the computer. It wouldn't load X. So I thought to myself "never mind, I wanted to install Edgy anyway" When will Linux let simple folks add new hardware without getting them to pull their hair out and have to do a fresh install? Seriously, if the installer can auto-detect all the hardware why can't someone, at say Ubuntu, write a script to call up the auto-detect function to recognize and install the relevant drivers and config files such as xorg.conf for the newly installed hardware. A new screen is probably something that a lot of folks would add from time to time. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:44:01 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:44:01 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230701291016i5fdc32c0gef3a5f57f4489273@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291959.01430.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <18cdd8230701291016i5fdc32c0gef3a5f57f4489273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701292044.01692.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > Yes, but then why emphasise apt-get and company? All my comments are in > > the light of the assumption that Ubuntu is trying to play in the same > > traffic that Windows plays in. > > apt-get is something which windows has /no/ equivalent of. It has its > drawbacks, upgrading apps on old distros and so on, but the /whole/ > thing is an enhancement over windows. Oh I know that! I was impressed back in Fedora 1 (my first real distro) and it's yum thingy). > Unfortunately it has the consequence (IMHO) of meaning that less work > has been done on installing software outside the repo world, but thats > something which is being worked on by many people on many projects > around the world. This was more-or-less what I meant by "why emphasize apt-get?" I mean, either it's the bees-knees or it ain't. If the latest software can be apt-getted then it makes apt-get entirely worthwhile. If we have to pick and choose then it loses a lot of its power. I look forward to the new talk of a unified installation system. > > I give that I may have had an unusual experience, but my Windows years > > were nothing like that. I use the example of my pal in Johannesburg who > > is still on Windows 98 and he runs Firefox 2.0. That's what Windows users > > expect, it's "natural" (as it was to me before the truth began to dawn.) > > But those are also the windows users who probably cause an absolute > nightmare for every user of this list when they drag them round to > clear all the spyware out of the gutter. Maybe, maybe not. If they are using FF2 then they are pretty safe, They can also run AVG anti-virus for free on win 98 and be even safer. It does not defeat the point I made. > Don't forget that for most windows users a new operating system ~= a > new computer. I am not sure what you mean here. In my case, and the people I know, we all bought our machines almost 10 years ago and there is no plan to do so again until the rust has claimed the pins on the CPU! Money's too tight to mention ... oh oh oh moneyyyy. > You missed my point in both this and the previous section Sorry about that. I like the sound missed points make as they zip over my head :) > - my point > was that I cannot open a doc file created in Office 2003(?) with > Office 97, in fact I have never been able to successfully (ie. that it > works fully) open an office document with a previous version of > office. > Now this is a deliberate ploy - why would you update Office otherwise > - but it doesn't change that fact that a windows box can /effectively/ > (ie, it doesn't open what they want it to) for users more often than > you think. Sure, but Office 2003 will probably *run* (which is my point) on Windows 98 without missing a beat. I say that under advisement because I don't know. Microsoft make it an absolute point to maintain the "run anywhere" capacity, so I can say something like I did and be 90% sure I am right. > I think you are overestimating the ease of using windows. It wasn't > until I went back to windows (on a laptop) after using linux for 9 > months did I /really/ start to see allot of the things which are > simply bizarre and unintuitive about it. These were things I just > took for granted at the time as I grew up in the windows world Herein lies the nub. Whatever bizarre twisty-turns users have to make they have learned all the moves and that's reality to them. Anyway, this conversation is not about the "ease" of windows, it's about one point: "app run anywhere-ability" > coming back to windows it seems far more of a pain in the arse than > linux. Oh hell yeah - I cannot live without Konqueror. I am so spoiled now :) /d From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 29 18:36:17 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:36:17 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18b64b3f0701291012v66c42536t650d2c93fde6477e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701272226.46523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> <18b64b3f0701291012v66c42536t650d2c93fde6477e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE3EA1.3060906@tiscali.co.uk> Peter Niedzinski wrote: > Don't forget Vista! I was being "nice"... Vista, from what I've heard, is a nightmare that makes all other MS OSs look almost like Oss... :@þ -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 29 18:39:17 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:39:17 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292029.10460.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> <200701292029.10460.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> Donn wrote: >>> If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over >>> the one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any >>> version can run on any Windows of any version. >>> >> Is that true? Can you run a WinXP program on WinME? Win98? Win95? >> Win3.1? >> > I would say indubitably so. > > I know Firefox 2 runs on Windows 98 (unless my pal is fibbing) > > Admittedly I can't speak about Win 3.11 -- but who the heck does :) > I can't speak for Vista either, but I would be confident that Microsoft would > not break compatibility willy-nilly. > > As far as apps from 98 to 2000 to XP go, I have never once experienced a > problem. No-one I directly know has either. > > I am not infallible, but I am confident based on experience. I am sure a few > examples (like iTunes) could be made but they really are the exception. > > > /d > > Perhaps that's true for non-MS products, but I never did get any MS-products from later to run on WinME, which was my last MS OS. They kept telling me I had to upgrade to WinXP, which I couldn't do because my computer at the time couldn't run XP... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 19:07:02 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:07:02 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292029.10460.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200701292107.02485.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Perhaps that's true for non-MS products, but I never did get any > MS-products from later to run on WinME, which was my last MS OS. They > kept telling me I had to upgrade to WinXP, which I couldn't do because > my computer at the time couldn't run XP... Wow, I never knew that. I have never even seen WinMe, it was kind of a joke around here really. I would expect MS to push their own upgrades in any dirty way they could. Generally I am talking about non MS products, my last office was with 97 or 2000 I can't recall now. /d From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 19:03:29 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:03:29 +0200 Subject: KDE upgrades and HAL In-Reply-To: <200701291101.24473.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200701291101.24473.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45BE4501.7030903@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > The recent thread on whether kde 3.5.6 will be backported to Dapper made me > think of this possibility. > > I upgraded the KDE in Breezy to 3.5.4 (I think that was the last version > Jonathan Riddel posted). A dist-upgrade to Dapper went terribly wrong. I > fixed most things, but could never get hald to daemonize causing a lot of > problems with iPods, samba mounts, etc. I just read in the mentioned thread > that Dapper shipped with 3.5.2. > > My dist-upgrade retained 3.5.4, which I have since upgraded to 3.5.5. Could > this have been the cause of the hellish dist-upgrade? Any suggestions for a > fix other than a fresh install? > This quote from Mepis site might have some hints and could/should maybe also be read by those having an ongoing argument in another thread re upgrades. The quote is about the their coming release. Mepis is Dapper-based; "Q. Why isn't KDE 3.5.5 included? A. Starting with KDE 3.5.4 the KDE Project began changing the software technology they use for media notification. For example, they now require a newer version of libhal. That library is not compatible with the MEPIS/Dapper packages. For our purposes, KDE 3.5.4 and KDE 3.5.5 are unstable. If we updated to either of them, some functionality would be broken." Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 19:12:21 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:12:21 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292107.02485.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292029.10460.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> <200701292107.02485.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE4715.6020101@gmail.com> I put this in another thread but thought it could be of interest in this as well. Originally this thread was about upgrades if I remember :-) This quote is from Mepis site and might have some hints about upgrade problems. The quote is about the their coming release. Mepis is Dapper-based; "Q. Why isn't KDE 3.5.5 included? A. Starting with KDE 3.5.4 the KDE Project began changing the software technology they use for media notification. For example, they now require a newer version of libhal. That library is not compatible with the MEPIS/Dapper packages. For our purposes, KDE 3.5.4 and KDE 3.5.5 are unstable. If we updated to either of them, some functionality would be broken." Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 19:22:54 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 +0200 Subject: KDE upgrades and HAL In-Reply-To: <45BE4501.7030903@gmail.com> References: <200701291101.24473.art.alexion@verizon.net> <45BE4501.7030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701292122.55166.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > A. Starting with KDE 3.5.4 the KDE Project began changing the software > technology they use for media notification. For example, they now > require a newer version of libhal. That library is not compatible with > the MEPIS/Dapper packages. Do they explain more about the "not compatible with..." part on the Mepis site? I want to see why libhal is so toxic to Mepis/Dapper. In another post, John L. Fjellstad said: > Linux (and Unix in general) can have multiple versions of the same > libraries installed. As long as the given application is tagged with > the version it needs, the right library version will be loaded. This tells me that libhal could be installed in two versions thus satisfying KDE 3.5.4^ *and* older apps needing the older libhal. Just wondering, any off-list links would be cool. /d From nixternal at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 29 19:20:50 2007 From: nixternal at ubuntu.com (Rich Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:20:50 -0600 Subject: [MOVE TO SOUNDER] KDE 3.5.6 Released w/ Kubuntu packages Message-ID: <200701291320.53620.nixternal@ubuntu.com> Please, I am CC'ing this to Sounder as the Kubuntu-users list is a support channel. Carry on this thread over on sounder, thanks. -- Rich Johnson nixternal at ubuntu.com GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure thing, please explain what/where sounder is! /d From jg at jguk.org Mon Jan 29 19:22:45 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:22:45 +0000 Subject: Plug and Pray rant In-Reply-To: <45BE3FEE.9040109@rmk.co.il> References: <45BE3FEE.9040109@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <45BE4985.1050102@jguk.org> Hi Nigel [...] > > When will Linux let simple folks add new hardware without getting them > to pull their hair out and have to do a fresh install? > > > Seriously, if the installer can auto-detect all the hardware why can't > someone, at say Ubuntu, write a script to call up the auto-detect > function to recognize and install the relevant drivers and config files > such as xorg.conf for the newly installed hardware. A new screen is > probably something that a lot of folks would add from time to time. Agreed. The problem is that it needs developers, and Linux distros are so cheap because testing/development is cut out or community groups are relied on more. Either we pay more [0] or we find some company to pay/sponsor the missing parts we really need in the development model. (Reminds me of Government relying on the "Third Sector" in a similar way to cut their costs) All that is left is for us to file bug reports and hope it gets tackled at some point if we're sticking with the current distro development model. ... I really should highlight this recurring problem on my weblog. Cheers Jon [0]: I favour this model. -- Weblog: http://jguk.org/ From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 20:03:17 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:03:17 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292011.49551.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291245.18074.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701292011.49551.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291503.28841.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 13:11, Donn wrote: > > > I really do feel that if Ubuntu > > > want to draw users away from Windows that they *must* realize what they > > > are up against. > > > > Since when is this the goal of Ubuntu, or any Linux for that matter? One > > of the attributes of being non-commercial is that making money is not the > > goal so you don't have to compete. > > I should go on a quote-hunt but it's heading for bed-time here. I base my > words on many of the blogs that role into Akregator from Ubuntu sources, > and the many articles on Linux news sites. The things that MarkS says are > very much "versus Windows" in spirit. > > I may be totally wrong here, but there is a Linux Zeitgeist that (for > better or worse) is positioning itself *versus* Windows. Just because a lot of Linux adopters don't like windows and like to make comparisons doesn't mean that any given distro is competing with Windows. If at all, Linux Distros compete with each other. Ford doesn't compete with Mercury -- they are the same company, but loyal buyers may make zealous comparisons. > > For example Desktoplinux.com has an article titled "A Vista vs. Linux > Matchup". That's a comparison, not a competition. Kind of reminds of the teen music magazines of my youth "Beatles vs. Rolling Stones vs. Dave Clark Five". Just because the magazines created some kind of pseudo-competition doesn't mean the bands themselves did. > > > I thought the goal of Ubuntu is to provide low cost computing to parts of > > the world where commercial software is prohibitive. I thought a parallel > > goal was to produce a Debian-based system with frequent, cutting edge > > updates. I think Ubuntu is succeeding on both of these goals. > > Good question. Am I wrong in my assumptions and impressions? If so then I > must eat my hat (it's not red:)) Thoughts anyone? > > I wanted to quickly add that it's an irony that the country that MarkS > hails from (South Africa, where I am) can be described as such a part of > the world (where commercial software is prohibitive) and yet our Internet > costs us almost the highest rate in the world. We cannot afford to download > hundreds of megabytes every six months just to keep-up with the upgrades! That's why Cannonical has a free disc program. > We cannot afford to join the digital online world because of greed and a > monopoly. I am lucky to have the connection I do have, I know plenty of > people who can use a cell-phone but have no idea what email is. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All apologies to this list for the infraction. /d From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 20:11:40 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:11:40 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230701290958p4da9c0fel4b1dbd715c90ac5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291239.02316.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701290958p4da9c0fel4b1dbd715c90ac5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291511.42201.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 12:58, Angus Prune wrote: > On 1/29/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 29 January 2007 11:43, Angus Prune wrote: > > > To be fair we're not talking about 5+ years, we're talking about a > > > [windows] release less than a year ago. > > > > Yes, but afik, the guts haven't changed since w2k, and before that win95, > > and before that win3.x. > > your square brackets are wrong, I meant [ubuntu] release. > > He's not trying to run new software on something 5+ years old. He's > trying to run new software on something less than a year old. > > This doesn't affect whether its something that should be supported or > not, but it makes it a much more reasonable expectation than running > new software on a 5+ year old system. I agree. I am one of the people who wants to stick to Dapper because of LTS. I don't like doing dist-upgrades and then worrying about the things that used to work that don't anymore. I think "Big Apps", like FireFox and OpenOffice should be backported. But I understand that this is not trivial, and I understand why it is not being done. So, I install FF and OOo in /opt and now I have the newest versions without lib conflicts, etc. It is not ideal, as I can't update OOo via apt, but FF has its own built-in updater. 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Is there some clever way a single text file (with indenting) could be produced or even better, a set of linked html files of the whole thing? /d From jg at jguk.org Mon Jan 29 20:22:46 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:22:46 +0000 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension In-Reply-To: References: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE5796.4060903@jguk.org> marc elucidated on 29/01/07 09:14: > Donn said... >>> So, I dutifully removed and reinstalled the extension - ensuring I was >>> using the correct version, but the problem remains. >> Don't know that extension, but if you remove it totally does the error go away >> and does FF work? > > Yes > >> If so, ditch the extension and find another. > > :-| It's a key tool for accessibility testing. If there is an equivalent > alternative that would be great. As it is, Firefox has just become a > dead weight on Linux... but works fine on Windows :-o File a bug report on Mozilla bug DB or with the maintainer, or even better sponsor someone to fix it! Cheers Jon -- Weblog: http://jguk.org/ From jg at jguk.org Mon Jan 29 20:21:16 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:21:16 +0000 Subject: Decent replacement for Kuickview in Kubuntu 6.10 which has Fit to Window and Advance PgUp/PgDown In-Reply-To: <200701271759.16572.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> <200701271759.16572.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <45BE573C.6090205@jguk.org> >> Gwenview seems ok, but fit-to-window will not stay on, and the >> window declarations are huge. >> Any ideas appreciated! >> please include my email address in any replies. Cheers >> Jon > > gThumb Image Viewer ? > > Kaj Haulrich. Hi, Thanks for the suggestion It seems a bit clunky.. i wish someone would update Kuickview so it worked again, or maybe I should do it myself.. Jon -- Weblog: http://jguk.org/ From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Mon Jan 29 20:39:02 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (grumpypenguin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:39:02 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292107.02485.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> <200701292107.02485.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291339.03019.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 12:07, Donn wrote: > > Perhaps that's true for non-MS products, but I never did get any > > MS-products from later to run on WinME, which was my last MS OS. They > > kept telling me I had to upgrade to WinXP, which I couldn't do because > > my computer at the time couldn't run XP... > > Wow, I never knew that. I have never even seen WinMe, it was kind of a joke > around here really. I would expect MS to push their own upgrades in any > dirty way they could. Generally I am talking about non MS products, my last > office was with 97 or 2000 I can't recall now. Wait till you see Vista , I predict a lot of people will migrate to Linux rather than buy new computers > > > /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 20:43:54 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:43:54 +0200 Subject: Decent replacement for Kuickview in Kubuntu 6.10 which has Fit =?iso-8859-1?q?to=09Window_and_Advance?= PgUp/PgDown In-Reply-To: <45BE573C.6090205@jguk.org> References: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> <200701271759.16572.kaj@haulrich.net> <45BE573C.6090205@jguk.org> Message-ID: <200701292243.55076.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Thanks for the suggestion > It seems a bit clunky.. i wish someone would update Kuickview so it > worked again, or maybe I should do it myself.. Kuickview was great. There was also kview but they are both broken. We are left with gwenview which is not bad but a little slow to start up. You can also try plain old 'display somepic.jpg' from the CLI. Another really weird and funky image viewer is a gtk thing called 'feh'. /d From nathan at eckenrodehouse.net Mon Jan 29 20:49:57 2007 From: nathan at eckenrodehouse.net (Nathan Eckenrode) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:49:57 -0500 Subject: KDE upgrades and HAL In-Reply-To: <200701292122.55166.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701291101.24473.art.alexion@verizon.net> <45BE4501.7030903@gmail.com> <200701292122.55166.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291549.59581.Neckenrode@gmail.com> On Monday 29 January 2007 02:22:54 pm Donn wrote: > > A. Starting with KDE 3.5.4 the KDE Project began changing the software > > technology they use for media notification. For example, they now > > require a newer version of libhal. That library is not compatible with > > the MEPIS/Dapper packages. > > Do they explain more about the "not compatible with..." part on the Mepis > site? I want to see why libhal is so toxic to Mepis/Dapper. > Here is a major strength of Free/Open Source Software, you can find out by looking right there in the source for both. :-) > In another post, John L. Fjellstad said: > > Linux (and Unix in general) can have multiple versions of the same > > libraries installed. As long as the given application is tagged with > > the version it needs, the right library version will be loaded. > > This tells me that libhal could be installed in two versions thus > satisfying KDE 3.5.4^ *and* older apps needing the older libhal. Just > wondering, any off-list links would be cool. > Something tells me that its not nearly as simple as that, otherwise the maintainers would have done it already. > > > /d From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 20:54:53 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:54:53 -0500 Subject: KDE upgrades and HAL In-Reply-To: <45BE4501.7030903@gmail.com> References: <200701291101.24473.art.alexion@verizon.net> <45BE4501.7030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291555.02339.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 14:03, O. Sinclair wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > The recent thread on whether kde 3.5.6 will be backported to Dapper made > > me think of this possibility. > > > > I upgraded the KDE in Breezy to 3.5.4 (I think that was the last version > > Jonathan Riddel posted). A dist-upgrade to Dapper went terribly wrong. > > I fixed most things, but could never get hald to daemonize causing a lot > > of problems with iPods, samba mounts, etc. I just read in the mentioned > > thread that Dapper shipped with 3.5.2. > > > > My dist-upgrade retained 3.5.4, which I have since upgraded to 3.5.5. > > Could this have been the cause of the hellish dist-upgrade? Any > > suggestions for a fix other than a fresh install? > > This quote from Mepis site might have some hints and could/should maybe > also be read by those having an ongoing argument in another thread re > upgrades. The quote is about the their coming release. Mepis is > Dapper-based; > "Q. Why isn't KDE 3.5.5 included? > A. Starting with KDE 3.5.4 the KDE Project began changing the software > technology they use for media notification. For example, they now > require a newer version of libhal. That library is not compatible with > the MEPIS/Dapper packages. For our purposes, KDE 3.5.4 and KDE 3.5.5 are > unstable. If we updated to either of them, some functionality would be > broken." I wonder if it is feasible now to downgrade to KDE 3.5.2, and then re-upgrade to see if this will fix the problem. My Breezy install had a new (backported) KDE that the original Dapper release did. Or if there is a way to fix libhal. My libs are up to date, but I think I probably have something leftover that interferes. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am going to guess that this is a wide screen format, and that you were trying to use the wide screen settings. There is an Ubuntu wiki for doing this. The problem is that settings that shouldn't work, work better. I found that 1024x768 works perfectly with my 16:9 screen though it shouldn't. A support guy at Norwood, my monitor manufacturer, told me it worked with his. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fsunoles at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 21:25:59 2007 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:25:59 -0700 Subject: fstab, disk mounting problem In-Reply-To: <75db45220701251539g553fd116kc9c477fadb09fc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <75db45220701251539g553fd116kc9c477fadb09fc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75db45220701291325o2ab7a274ha5cebbe964b9115a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/25/07, Homer wrote: > With 6.10 AMD64 installed, the following line in my fstab file worked fine: > /dev/sdd1 /z ext3 defaults 0 2 > > The disk is a Seagate 750 GB SATA with an Addonics SATA/SCSI converter > connected. I've since regressed my OS to 6.06.1 LTS i386 and now that > same fstab line results in the following error on boot (exactly as > presented): > > root at machine:~# s: command not foundhell and continue system startup.found. al > > If I exit the prompt at that point the boot up continues and the drive > is mounted. I can read and write to the drive without problems. I'm > at a loss on this one. I received a response suggesting I fsck the drive. I did and it found a bunch of errors. The machine boots now as expected. From brymelvin at melvinart.com Mon Jan 29 21:36:55 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:36:55 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE2959.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> <200701292029.10460.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BE3F55.6000506@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1170106616.14919.19.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 18:39 +0000, Wulfy wrote: > Perhaps that's true for non-MS products, but I never did get any > MS-products from later to run on WinME, which was my last MS OS. > They > kept telling me I had to upgrade to WinXP, which I couldn't do > because > my computer at the time couldn't run XP... > guy's PLEASE kill this: this isn't much above spam. for one, comparing WINME (DOS based) with later (NT based) is apples and oranges. FWIW the situation you are describing IS similar with most of the linux distros business uses...changes are held 'till wider period releases. ALSO part of WHAT has made win32 very vulnerable is the attempt to maximize backwards compatibility. Linux distros don't have that problem as much as the whole spectrum of apps IS fluid and pacing the core...but has little backwards compatibility. Lastly if you NEED and app it can be compiled or pay someone support to do it. If you don't NEED it just WANT it.... I'll quit here and let you figure that out. as far as all the bitching about LTS....I have had little difficulty adding the items I NEED to do WORK from source. Should Ubuntu get too aggressive adding bells and whistles to an LTS it WOULD make it pretty much useless for business. Consider we moved to Ubuntu from OS/2(with XFree86 added) and SuSE 8.2 about two years ago,,, to try and get the mindset of a business running LTS. Bryann From aharrison at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 21:38:44 2007 From: aharrison at gmail.com (Andy Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:38:44 -0500 Subject: right alt key and kde Message-ID: I finally got around to investigating why my right alt key doesn't work as expected. xev shows my left alt key as "keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L)" and my right alt key as "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift)" so obviously it's intentional. I found other people asking questions about it, but I didn't turn up any answers other than how to fix it in gnome. Such as posts like this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-182854.html In KDE, I can go into System Settings, Keyboard, Keyboard Shorcuts, Modifier Keys tab, and see the mapping, but cannot modify it there. What is the appropriate way to fix this behavior? I could just do an xmodmap of course, but I'd rather fix it at the point where it is being configure this way rather than something that's fixed each time I log in... Any suggestions or linkage appreciated... Thanks! -- Andy Harrison From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 21:51:44 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:51:44 -0600 Subject: Plug and Pray rant In-Reply-To: <200701291605.54748.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45BE3FEE.9040109@rmk.co.il> <200701291605.54748.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 1/29/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 29 January 2007 13:41, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > Just added a newish LCD 17" to a simple Compaq DesktopPro machine which > > is probably about 4 or 5 years old. > > Anyway, as soon as X kicked in (got to the login screen) the [LCD] > > screen pops up a message saying "Out of Range"; so I did an Ctrl Alt F1 > > to get to a terminal and after logging in did the 'dpkg-reconfigure > > xserver xorg'. After answering the questions as best I could and letting > > the auto-detect stuff do their thing, I restarted the computer. It > > wouldn't load X. > > I am going to guess that this is a wide screen format, and that you were > trying to use the wide screen settings. There is an Ubuntu wiki for doing > this. The problem is that settings that shouldn't work, work better. > > I found that 1024x768 works perfectly with my 16:9 screen though it > shouldn't. > A support guy at Norwood, my monitor manufacturer, told me it worked with > his. > I have also found that sometimes you just have to plug the values in manually to the xorg.conf file because the newer monitors just haven't made their way fully into the autoconfig tools yet. Its not that there isn't a config tool, its just that the particular monitor you are using isn't really understood by the config files yet. You see, even though the monitor reports to Linux exactly what kind of monitor it is, it doesn't mean that Linux knows what that means. For example, I have a Viewsonic A90F at home, and it appeared (when it was first purchased) that Linux recognized it perfectly because the name and model showed up. However, when it went to set it up the hardware db had no idea what the settings should be. All Linux (and I"m using this term VERY loosely to generalize hardware ID routines) is doing is taking what the monitor said it was and showing it to me. The Hardware ID process tries its best to match what it got with something it has in the hardware db, but there may not be a match. There are just too many new gadgets and widgets coming out with no Linux support for devs to keep up with everything, so they do the best they can. I can sacrifice this functionality because I understand the hurtle they have to jump now better than I used to. However, the thing that still pegs my aggravation meter is that there still is no simple "setup" routine for software. Why can't software come with an install routine, or why can't distros setup a process that takes source and compiles and installs it with a click of the mouse (and knowing the root password for either)? I believe then, you could go by Linux software off the wal-mart shelf and more end users would be migrating more often. This would then lead to more hardware support, and fewer problems like Nigel and many others have to report. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garryknight at gmx.net Mon Jan 29 22:13:46 2007 From: garryknight at gmx.net (Garry Knight) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:13:46 +0000 Subject: right alt key and kde References: Message-ID: Andy Harrison wrote: > I finally got around to investigating why my right alt key doesn't > work as expected. xev shows my left alt key as "keycode 64 (keysym > 0xffe9, Alt_L)" and my right alt key as "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, > ISO_Level3_Shift)" so obviously it's intentional. Your right Alt key is probably an AltGr key. It's often used as a modifier. If I want to type in Spanish, complete with accents, I hold down the AltGr key, press the ';' key, let them both go, then press 'e' to get 'é', for example. Yours might be set up for something similar. -- Garry Knight garryknight at gmx.net From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 18:45:30 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:45:30 +0200 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension In-Reply-To: References: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701292045.30521.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > Don't know that extension, but if you remove it totally does the error go > > away and does FF work? If you get this solved, please pop in here again and 'splain it to us! /d From ejviolet at yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 00:32:27 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:32:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230701290936u326be1f2ga36cf80318e08969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <530246.94312.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I understand the question, a newbie would want to know "why can't I just upgrade firefox or openoffice or theGIMP like I can on Windows 2K?" Is that the thurst of the question? Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From auspex at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 00:36:57 2007 From: auspex at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:36:57 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> On Monday 29 January 2007 14:25, Donn wrote: Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > > That's just plain untrue. You can take the plunge and install any of > > those apps at any time you wish. Or you can wait for Ubuntu to package > > them painlessly. > > I'm more than willing to be shown to be wrong but I am not willfully lying. I didn't say that - but you asked that Ubuntu put up a disclaimer that would be untrue. > More to the point, Firefox 2 is out. Looking at the apt-get update in > Dapper, you would not say so. That's my whole point. Please see if you can > read the whole thread, perhaps you missed some bits. So? You've unfavorably compared us to Windows. How would you get the latest Firefox on Windows? I haven't tried to get it myself - I'm prepared to wait for it to show up in Ubuntu - but if I want Firefox 2, I would like to bet that I can get a copy OFF THE SAME PAGE as the Windows download. _Everything_ that's available for Ubuntu is available in tarballs that can be installed on your system. ./configure; make; sudo make install. Done. This is the usual anti-Linux argument. Set up a straw man comparing Windows and Linux, then show that Linux doesn't do something - invariably a closer analysis shows Windows doesn't either. -- derek From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jan 29 15:15:51 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:15:51 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <87ejpej3ds.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200701291126.29710.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701291015.51823.lists@ptfd.org> On Monday 29 January 2007 04:26:29 am Donn wrote: > > Donn writes: > > > I reckon this upgrade treadmill should not be hidden from new users. I > > > don't find any clear public explanation about this unusual fact of > > > life on the Ubuntu site, nor anywhere else really. > > > > In the About Ubuntu section of http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, on the > > first line: > > "Ubuntu is a free, open source Linux-based operating system that starts > > with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months)" > > How much clearer can they make it? > > John, > I have learnt a lot more about Gnu/Linux in the last 4 days than I have in > the last 4 years, and I am clear on why the latest apps won't run on "old" > distros -- not crystal clear, but I have the big picture. > > Still, I must comment on your reply above. If you spoke that quote aloud to > a Windows user they would look at you as if you had just spoke Klingon. > Linux? Debian? Breadth of Debian? The regular releases part would not > clarify an already wildly confused start. > > What I am saying is that users use apps not Windows, not Gnu/Linux, not Mac > O/S etc. They use the apps they need and they like to keep using the latest > version of those apps. The "upgrade treadmill" I refer to is not made clear > by that quote at all. I am sorry, but normal people don't come to some > mystical understanding about the realities of Gnu\Linux by reading > something like that -- it is not clear at all. > > Something like this should be said, to maintain integrity: > "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system. It makes many applications > available at no cost during each of its 6 monthly releases. New versions of > applications like Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office to name but a few > will be available at each upgrade. You should be aware that should you wish > to upgrade to a new version of a particular application, you may have to > upgrade to the latest release of Ubuntu; for technical reasons many new > applications cannot be run from older releases of Ubuntu." > > Now I ain't no copywriter and that can be made shorter, but the elemental > confession about the "lifetime" of applications on Ubuntu ought to be > spelled-out because it's vital information. > > If Ubuntu is going to aim at the Windows user then they can't gloss-over > the one thing that a Windows user is going to expect; applications of any > version can run on any Windows of any version. > At the risk of being anti win (I am ) let me say that is not true, I cant run several apps with my win2000 pro machine, I cant run many apps developed for vista on XP, and I certianly run VIsta on the same machine I am running XP on. True these are generalities but you get the picture. At least with edgy I can find either the repositories or .deb's or use alien and install OOo 2.1, kde-3.5.6 and even smb4k-0.8 to keep from destroying my sudopers file. I am not sure it is totally optimal as I came from Gentoo a few months ago, but I am learning to use kubuntu and find it working well for me, stable relatively up to date and a lot less work to keep it that way. Mike From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 04:18:13 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:18:13 +0200 Subject: Plug and Pray rant In-Reply-To: <200701291605.54748.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45BE3FEE.9040109@rmk.co.il> <200701291605.54748.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45BEC705.9070608@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007 13:41, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Just added a newish LCD 17" to a simple Compaq DesktopPro machine which >> is probably about 4 or 5 years old. >> Anyway, as soon as X kicked in (got to the login screen) the [LCD] >> screen pops up a message saying "Out of Range"; so I did an Ctrl Alt F1 >> to get to a terminal and after logging in did the 'dpkg-reconfigure >> xserver xorg'. After answering the questions as best I could and letting >> the auto-detect stuff do their thing, I restarted the computer. It >> wouldn't load X. > > I am going to guess that this is a wide screen format, and that you were > trying to use the wide screen settings. There is an Ubuntu wiki for doing > this. The problem is that settings that shouldn't work, work better. > > I found that 1024x768 works perfectly with my 16:9 screen though it shouldn't. > A support guy at Norwood, my monitor manufacturer, told me it worked with > his. It very likely has to do with the freqency sweep. A normal CRT will today work at 70-75 hz at least where as an LCD rarely works above 60 hz. This requires fiddling with xorg.conf to get it right. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 04:18:00 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:18:00 +0200 Subject: Decent replacement for Kuickview in Kubuntu 6.10 which has Fit to Window and Advance PgUp/PgDown In-Reply-To: <200701292243.55076.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> <200701271759.16572.kaj@haulrich.net> <45BE573C.6090205@jguk.org> <200701292243.55076.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BEC6F8.3090603@gmail.com> Donn wrote: >> Thanks for the suggestion >> It seems a bit clunky.. i wish someone would update Kuickview so it >> worked again, or maybe I should do it myself.. > Kuickview was great. There was also kview but they are both broken. > > We are left with gwenview which is not bad but a little slow to start up. > > You can also try plain old 'display somepic.jpg' from the CLI. > > Another really weird and funky image viewer is a gtk thing called 'feh'. > this from kde-apps might help you; http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52276 the guy is also missing Kuickview apparently Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 06:53:11 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:53:11 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in the fields. Anyway, didn't know 'CC' was rude. > I didn't say that - but you asked that Ubuntu put up a disclaimer that > would be untrue. And I argued why I thought it was not untrue. Anyway it's a conversation and nothing more. Cool down. > So? You've unfavorably compared us to Windows. How would you get the > latest Firefox on Windows? I haven't tried to get it myself - I'm prepared > to wait for it to show up in Ubuntu - but if I want Firefox 2, I would like > to bet that I can get a copy OFF THE SAME PAGE as the Windows download. I have answered this question many times in this thread. > _Everything_ that's available for Ubuntu is available in tarballs that can > be installed on your system. ./configure; make; sudo make install. Done. Sure, not the point. > This is the usual anti-Linux argument. Set up a straw man comparing > Windows and Linux, then show that Linux doesn't do something - invariably a > closer analysis shows Windows doesn't either. You need to chill. There's no need for aggression. I am not setting up strawmen or being anti-linux, read the thread. We have been asked not to continue this in kubuntu-users. I had to reply to your post because I don't take well to off-the-cuff attacks. I won't post here again. /d From oozypal at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 07:16:19 2007 From: oozypal at gmail.com (OOzy Pal) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:16:19 +0300 Subject: Where can I put my icons so they appear in KDEs Message-ID: <299ffe0d0701292316wd2b65bcv15800f37d80b92f@mail.gmail.com> Where can I put my icons so they appear in (Select Icon - KDE Menu Editor)? -- OOzy Kubuntu-Edgy From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 07:27:12 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:27:12 +0200 Subject: Where can I put my icons so they appear in KDEs In-Reply-To: <299ffe0d0701292316wd2b65bcv15800f37d80b92f@mail.gmail.com> References: <299ffe0d0701292316wd2b65bcv15800f37d80b92f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701300927.12668.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Where can I put my icons so they appear in (Select Icon - KDE Menu Editor)? If you are making your own png icons, put them anywhere and then choose the option in the icon-chooser for "other icons" and hit the browse button. OR: /usr/share/app-install/icons/ /usr/share/icons I used {locate icons | less} to look around. HTH /d From gmane at auxbuss.com Tue Jan 30 09:21:10 2007 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:21:10 -0000 Subject: Firefox and HTML Validator extension References: <200701291049.09655.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701291131.10905.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn said... > > :-| It's a key tool for accessibility testing. If there is an equivalent > > > > alternative that would be great. As it is, Firefox has just become a > > dead weight on Linux... but works fine on Windows :-o > Hi -- I agree that FF on Windows is better. It's a horrible state of affairs, > but it seems inevitable given how complex the world of Linux software is. I'm trying not to bitch about FF on Linux, well Debian-based Linux, but lately... :-| -- Cheers, Marc From jg at jguk.org Tue Jan 30 11:24:30 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:24:30 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BF2AEE.2090905@jguk.org> Donn elucidated on 30/01/07 06:53: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in the > fields. Anyway, didn't know 'CC' was rude. It's not rude Derek, it's polite netiquette and is standard form. The only problem I can see is that Ubuntu have set the Reply-To field to the mailing-list address. Cheers Jon -- Weblog: http://jguk.org/ From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 02:53:41 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:53:41 -0400 Subject: [MOVE TO SOUNDER] KDE 3.5.6 Released w/ Kubuntu packages References: <200701291320.53620.nixternal@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Rich Johnson wrote: > Please, I am CC'ing this to Sounder as the Kubuntu-users list is a support > channel. There's always someone wanting to disrupt a good discussion. Use your filters. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 03:01:27 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:01:27 -0400 Subject: right alt key and kde References: Message-ID: <71p294-vhi.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Andy Harrison wrote: > I finally got around to investigating why my right alt key doesn't > work as expected. xev shows my left alt key as "keycode 64 (keysym > 0xffe9, Alt_L)" and my right alt key as "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, > ISO_Level3_Shift)" so obviously it's intentional. It's certainly intentional that they should be different, otherwise it would be impossible to map them to different functions. Insisting that two different keys must do the same job is so Windowsish :-) > I found other people asking questions about it, but I didn't turn up > any answers other than how to fix it in gnome. Such as posts like > this > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-182854.html > > In KDE, I can go into System Settings, Keyboard, Keyboard Shorcuts, > Modifier Keys tab, and see the mapping, but cannot modify it there. Wrong place :-) Try "Regional & Language" (that was obvious, right?), "Keyboard Settings". "Xkb options". (Be warned that others are telling me this doesn't work, but it does for me). It's pretty obscure, though, so unless you understand setxkbmap (the command line for which is displayed below the checkboxes) you still may not be able to figure out what you want. > > What is the appropriate way to fix this behavior? I could just do an > xmodmap of course, but I'd rather fix it at the point where it is > being configure this way rather than something that's fixed each time > I log in... That's what KDE does, but this is the place to do it (as long as it works...). -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 11:53:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:53:34 +0200 Subject: [MOVE TO SOUNDER] KDE 3.5.6 Released w/ Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <200701291320.53620.nixternal@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200701301353.34480.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Rich Johnson wrote: > > Please, I am CC'ing this to Sounder as the Kubuntu-users list is a > > support channel. > > There's always someone wanting to disrupt a good discussion. Use your > filters. I'm new here (and to lists generally) so I don't really know the rules and traditions or the people involved. I don't want to continue the discussion if it's spamming the list and I seem to have unsettled a few posters. On the other hand, it was a fairly good talk and I thought it had some hope of being useful. /d From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jan 30 14:17:58 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:17:58 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701300918.11943.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 19:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > Please don't CC me, it's rude.  This is a _list_. This has been happening to me a lot lately also. It isn't necessary, perhaps not rude, but unnecessary. The list is configured so that replies default to the list. We subscribe to the list, so we get a copy anyway. I spend a lot of time deleting duplicates. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From angusprune at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 14:26:03 2007 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:26:03 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701300921.59012.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701300921.59012.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > > > > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in the > > fields. > > Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the reply-to field... James (Manually removed this time) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 15:03:40 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:03:40 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701300925.24131.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701300925.24131.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701301703.41091.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I see you are getting frustrated with some of us for the same reason that > we have gotten frustrated with you. We answer your question a hundred > different ways, and you just keep rewording the same questions responses. > We are going in circles. *sigh* From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 14:35:56 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:35:56 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701300921.59012.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Angus Prune wrote: > On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: >> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: >> > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. >> > >> > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in >> > the fields. >> >> Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. > > > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the reply-to > field... > GMail, unfortunately, doesn't handle lists well. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 14:37:44 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:37:44 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300920.44619.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007 19:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >> _Everything_ that's available for Ubuntu is available in tarballs that >> can be installed on your system.   ./configure; make; sudo make install. >> Done. > > Actually, its easier than that for FF. Just extract the precompiled > static > binaries to /opt and run. Done. Yes, I knew that. And many other apps even provide .debs, so that one day Ubuntu will catch up and supercede software you download direct from the creator. The tarball method is just a worst case scenario :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 14:41:36 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:41:36 -0400 Subject: Where can I put my icons so they appear in KDEs References: <299ffe0d0701292316wd2b65bcv15800f37d80b92f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <022494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> OOzy Pal wrote: > Where can I put my icons so they appear in (Select Icon - KDE Menu > Editor)? > >From the other direction, how do I find where an existing icon is located? The other day I was trying to create a special folder icon, and while I found many folder icons, I couldn't manage to track down the specific one that's used for the folders on my desktop. I was, however, surprised to find how easy it was with KIconEdit to merge two icons. -- derek From angusprune at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 15:15:48 2007 From: angusprune at gmail.com (Angus Prune) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:15:48 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701300921.59012.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18cdd8230701300715o547ed046pb9fb6f3ba7a573bd@mail.gmail.com> On 1/30/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > Angus Prune wrote: > > > On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > >> > > >> > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in > >> > the fields. > >> > >> Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. > > > > > > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the reply-to > > field... > > > GMail, unfortunately, doesn't handle lists well. Having conducted a straw poll (before my other post) of half a dozen different senders in this thread it is only Art's email which is appearing in the reply to other than the list. I know this may well be a gmail issue (hence declaring it) but it does seem odd that only Art's email would do this. James From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jan 30 15:17:19 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:17:19 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701300918.11943.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300918.11943.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701301017.19646.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 09:17, Art Alexion wrote: >On Monday 29 January 2007 19:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Please don't CC me, it's rude.  This is a _list_. > >This has been happening to me a lot lately also. It isn't necessary, > perhaps not rude, but unnecessary. The list is configured so that > replies default to the list. We subscribe to the list, so we get a > copy anyway. I spend a lot of time deleting duplicates. I doubt people > do this maliciously, but I wish they would stop. When it varies from list to list to list, and one is subbed to over a screens height of lists, its very difficult to ask us to keep track of how the individual list does it. Its much simpler to hit that a key so you know everyone will get a copy. That means the poster you are replying to will get 2 copies, which as you say, is a drag for the other poster. Here on this list for instance, using the reply to sender button, which should be a private reply, actually sets it to the list only. And this is not IMO, correct and should be fixed at the list server. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 14:35:17 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:35:17 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BF2AEE.2090905@jguk.org> Message-ID: <5m1494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Jon Grant wrote: > Donn elucidated on 30/01/07 06:53: >> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. >> Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in >> the fields. Anyway, didn't know 'CC' was rude. > > It's not rude Derek, it's polite netiquette and is standard form. It is neither. You CC someone only if they ask. CC'ing tends to bypass the recipients standard filters. > The > only problem I can see is that Ubuntu have set the Reply-To field to the > mailing-list address. How about for all of us who get the list via gmane, thank you? If I wanted to receive emails of all these posts, I'd use the list interface. -- derek From jg at jguk.org Tue Jan 30 15:49:54 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:49:54 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <5m1494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BF2AEE.2090905@jguk.org> <5m1494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <45BF6922.6040201@jguk.org> Hi, Derek Broughton elucidated on 30/01/07 14:35: > Jon Grant wrote: > >> Donn elucidated on 30/01/07 06:53: >>> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >>>> Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. >>> Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in >>> the fields. Anyway, didn't know 'CC' was rude. >> It's not rude Derek, it's polite netiquette and is standard form. > > It is neither. You CC someone only if they ask. CC'ing tends to bypass the > recipients standard filters. This could run and run I think.. I've not seen any suggestion to only include someone in the reply to their email if they request it. Typically the sender will be in the To: field, and the list will be in the CC: field, but it's apparent Ubuntu mailinglist has been incorrectly configured to set Reply-To, which prevents that from happening when I hit Reply All. CC'ing doesn't bypass any of my filters, perhaps you need to check your configuration. e.g. Thunderbird calls the filter option "To or CC" >> The >> only problem I can see is that Ubuntu have set the Reply-To field to the >> mailing-list address. > > How about for all of us who get the list via gmane, thank you? If I wanted > to receive emails of all these posts, I'd use the list interface. You'd need to speak to the people who maintain your mail2news gateway. There are obvious workarounds for gmane not supporting what you want, like subscribing from a noreply at yourhost.com email address. Or simply configure your client to delete any list email you receive if you never want it via that route. I'm not fond of workarounds like this myself, the issue should be tackled for all users who want the feature. Cheers Jon -- Weblog: http://jguk.org/ From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 15:49:59 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:49:59 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <726494-q7m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:53, Donn wrote: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in the > fields. Anyway, didn't know 'CC' was rude. You're still doing it. > > > I didn't say that - but you asked that Ubuntu put up a disclaimer that > > would be untrue. > > And I argued why I thought it was not untrue. Anyway it's a conversation > and nothing more. Cool down. I'm cool - you objected that you weren't lying, and I tried to point out that I never thought you were, simply that if Ubuntu were to say what you wanted _they_ (imo) would be lying. > > > So? You've unfavorably compared us to Windows. How would you get the > > latest Firefox on Windows? I haven't tried to get it myself - I'm > > prepared to wait for it to show up in Ubuntu - but if I want Firefox 2, > > I would like to bet that I can get a copy OFF THE SAME PAGE as the > > Windows download. > > I have answered this question many times in this thread. There wasn't a question (well, there was, but it was purely rhetorical). I'm saying that I can do with Ubuntu exactly what I would do with Windows. That is not always the case, I accept, but it is with firefox. I'm not even going to bet about that part, it's a fact - the bet was simply that for Firefox the download would be on the same page. > > _Everything_ that's available for Ubuntu is available in tarballs that > > can be installed on your system. ./configure; make; sudo make install. > > Done. > > Sure, not the point. Of course it's the point. You're complaining that you can't get updated software for Firefox from Ubuntu. You can't get updated software for Firefox from Microsoft either. The difference is that eventually Ubuntu will provide it, Microsoft won't. Meanwhile, if you want the latest and greatest, you go to the provider's site, where you will either find binaries packaged for Ubuntu (or perhaps Debian), just as you would for Windows, or you get at least a tarball, which requires just slightly more effort to install than most windows apps. > > > This is the usual anti-Linux argument. Set up a straw man comparing > > Windows and Linux, then show that Linux doesn't do something - > > invariably a closer analysis shows Windows doesn't either. > > You need to chill. You need to be more polite. > There's no need for aggression. It's insulting to start an argument and then accuse respondents of aggression. We disagree, nothing more. If you can't handle that, you really need to stay off the Internet. It's equally insulting to repeatedly tell me I'm wrong, without explaining why I'm wrong. I'm a big boy - if I've misunderstood your argument, I can accept that, but continually telling me to read the thread just suggests you don't actually _have_ an argument. > I am not setting up strawmen or being anti-linux, read the thread. I disagree. You have argued that Ubuntu is not as user-friendly as Windows because it doesn't provide continuous updates to non-Ubuntu software. Ubuntu's older products provide continuous updates to the core ("ubuntu") software for bug & security fixes, for the lifetime of the release, just as Windows does. Additionally, Ubuntu sometimes backports updates for other software, which Windows _never_ does. > > We have been asked not to continue this in kubuntu-users. The discussion started here, it stays here. I don't move threads because someone else can't handle filtering. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 15:53:49 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:53:49 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701300921.59012.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> <18cdd8230701300715o547ed046pb9fb6f3ba7a573bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Angus Prune wrote: > On 1/30/07, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Angus Prune wrote: >> >> > On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: >> >> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. >> >> > >> >> > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills >> >> > in the fields. >> >> >> >> Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. >> > >> > >> > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the reply-to >> > field... >> > >> GMail, unfortunately, doesn't handle lists well. > > Having conducted a straw poll (before my other post) of half a dozen > different senders in this thread it is only Art's email which is > appearing in the reply to other than the list. > > I know this may well be a gmail issue (hence declaring it) but it does > seem odd that only Art's email would do this. Well, Art suggested "reply to list", and gmail just doesn't have that, but I've seen KMail provide odd results when trying to reply to list mail, too. Unfortunately, I can't really say what might be different between Art's and other posts in this thread, because I'm reading through gmane news, which has its own issues (though I'd expect that would cause a difference between his headers and mine). -- derek From lists at pavri.net Tue Jan 30 16:19:52 2007 From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:49:52 +0530 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070130161952.GA8024@localhost> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Lokeey wrote: > i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data from a hard > drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition that i > think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my linux data > was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i just want > to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can reinstall > kubuntu. > > any ideas? I'm coming into this thread a little late, but what have you done ? deleted the partition entry or formatted the partition ? anyway take a look here http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition-Rescue.html I remember I had some links somewhere but can't find them just now. I'll hunt for them and send them if I find any. hth, Sharukh -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. Armored knights rose their visors to identify themselves when they rode past their king. That's how we got the modern military salute. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 16:01:00 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. Message-ID: Recently (after playing with Special Window Settings and Special Application Settings in Wine, to make Quicken's pop-up windows work), every single pop-up window produced in KDE is coming up full screen. So: password prompts from kdesu, file choosers, configure windows, etc, etc, etc. So I went back to the "Configure Window Behaviour" options (right click on a title bar) and deleted any application settings, and still everything pops up maximized. Does anybody have a clue what I've done? -- derek From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 16:37:38 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:37:38 -0600 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: <20070130161952.GA8024@localhost> References: <20070130161952.GA8024@localhost> Message-ID: nice find! thanks! On 1/30/07, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Lokeey wrote: > > > i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data from a > hard > > drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition that i > > think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my linux > data > > was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i just > want > > to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can > reinstall > > kubuntu. > > > > any ideas? > > I'm coming into this thread a little late, but what have you done ? > deleted the partition entry or formatted the partition ? > > anyway take a look here > > http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition-Rescue.html > > I remember I had some links somewhere but can't find them just now. I'll > hunt for them and send them if I find any. > > hth, > > Sharukh > -- > Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. > Armored knights rose their visors to identify themselves when they > rode past their king. That's how we got the modern military salute. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 16:52:32 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:52:32 -0600 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: <20070130161952.GA8024@localhost> References: <20070130161952.GA8024@localhost> Message-ID: i haven't done anything to fix it yet...i'm still looking for a tool to help me extract the data that's on that partition...i think what the partition is missing is a kde startup file, but i'm not 100% sure...also, when i received the first batch of errors, i fan fsck to answer your other question, what i originally did was format the partition that i thought was empty and not being used. On 1/30/07, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Lokeey wrote: > > > i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data from a > hard > > drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition that i > > think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my linux > data > > was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i just > want > > to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can > reinstall > > kubuntu. > > > > any ideas? > > I'm coming into this thread a little late, but what have you done ? > deleted the partition entry or formatted the partition ? > > anyway take a look here > > http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition-Rescue.html > > I remember I had some links somewhere but can't find them just now. I'll > hunt for them and send them if I find any. > > hth, > > Sharukh > -- > Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. > Armored knights rose their visors to identify themselves when they > rode past their king. That's how we got the modern military salute. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it > fills in > >> > the fields. > >> > >> Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. > > > > > > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the > reply-to > > field... > > > GMail, unfortunately, doesn't handle lists well. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 17:13:52 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:13:52 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <726494-q7m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <726494-q7m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'm cool - you objected that you weren't lying, and I tried to point out > that I never thought you were, simply that if Ubuntu were to say what you > wanted _they_ (imo) would be lying. I was putting out a suggestion based on what had been talked about earlier and by calling that suggestion a "lie" I perceived you to be aggressive. Rather than actually reading my posts and taking the time to see my point you have come down from on-high like a tonne of bricks. > There wasn't a question (well, there was, but it was purely rhetorical). > I'm saying that I can do with Ubuntu exactly what I would do with Windows. > That is not always the case, I accept, but it is with firefox. I'm not > even going to bet about that part, it's a fact - the bet was simply that > for Firefox the download would be on the same page. Okay -- I'll say it again : Firefox 2 the Linux binary from the official site *does* run on Dapper -- for a while. It crashes. This is my direct experience; I might be alone in this. I don't know why it does so. However this is not the gist of what I have been talking about recently. > You're complaining that you can't get updated I am not complaining. Please don't presume to speak for my intentions. > You need to be more polite. Yes Sir! > I disagree. You have argued that Ubuntu is not as user-friendly as Windows > because it doesn't provide continuous updates to non-Ubuntu software. Okay -- I'll lay it all out again: My "argument" is now (since I admitted my change in position due to recent education on the subject) that there is a disconnect for new users who have come from Windows. I am saying that *if* Ubuntu is aiming at replacing Windows (which seems to be the tacit aim, although I could be wrong) then it's my opinion that there is a problem when it comes to using the latest versions of software on the current version of Ubuntu you happen to run. I built this upon my prior discussions on the reasons why Gnu/Linux has trouble running certain software. It is a simple fact that a distro will age rapidly and in Ubuntu-land (and Fedoraville too) each "upgrade" is virtually a new distro. This leaves "islands" of users behind as the newer apps available in the repos are not available for them. Witness Firefox 2 which is not available for Dapper. My focus is not even so much on the repos, it's on the surprise and disappointment to a new user when they realize that they have hit a version-limit on the apps they use. In the Windows world it is perfectly natural to keep moving up to the latest versions of apps. One typically experiences no problem at all doing so. It is the standard and natural order of things. The authors of those apps are happy too because their users are mostly keeping pace with their development and bug reports are more on-target. Now that user comes to Ubuntu. All is fine for 6 months, perhaps a year. They rely on the apps in the repos because Synaptic and apt-get are emphasized. (Actually going to a website and downloading an install file is not common on Linux.) The app terrain is foreign to a new user; they have funny names and oddball requirements. It's natural to use Synaptic, for example, to get a feel for the choices. So, if the user is happy and makes it to the end of a year and then sees that ZingBling 2.5 is out and they check their Synaptic and it only shows 2.1 and they never see any new update icons for it, they may get a little worried. Now they go to ZingBling's website and find the Gnu/Linux binary and this is where the mellow software experience meets the cold hard ground of library hell and package formats and configure && make and outright crashes. I found (on Fedora 3) that even if I tried to build from source, the dep spiral was too complex to fulfill. (I was trying to use Inkscape 0.44). The autopackage did not work. The source could not compile. The repo did not offer it. The authors told me to move my distro to a newer version. That's what I am talking about. New users will not glibly accept the "Well you can stick to version 2.1 of ZingBling or you must update Ubuntu." "But I can run ZingBling 2.0 on Windows 98?" That's the disconnect. That's what I was addressing. I was saying *perhaps* there should be wording (in plain English, sans Linuxy buzzwords like "Debian") in the opening introduction to Ubuntu. Sure, new users will have to adjust to the reality and the operational facts of Ubuntu, this is about pre-warning them on this one issue. Now, I could be totally wrong, but it's merely a discussion. (pant pant pant) > The discussion started here, it stays here. I don't move threads because > someone else can't handle filtering. Fine, I assumed that was a mod telling us to move it to another list. /d PS -- If this CC's you then it ain't me doing it. I made sure only the list was in the To field in kmail. From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 17:13:56 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:13:56 -0600 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: oh the comedy!!!! seriously tho, what's really bothering you? On 1/30/07, Earl Violet wrote: > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > Earl > > --- Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Angus Prune wrote: > > > > > On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > >> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: > > >> > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > > >> > > > >> > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it > > fills in > > >> > the fields. > > >> > > >> Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. > > > > > > > > > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the > > reply-to > > > field... > > > > > GMail, unfortunately, doesn't handle lists well. > > -- > > derek > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net > Instant messenger: earlcoyote > ICQ:64033496 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! 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From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 17:23:35 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:23:35 +0200 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701301923.35564.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > So I went back to the "Configure Window Behaviour" options (right click on > a title bar) and deleted any application settings, and still everything > pops up maximized. Crazy man! I have no idea, but I can't wait to hear more about it! Is there a text file where those settings are kept? Perhaps I can show mine and it will help you suss yours? /d From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 17:56:40 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:56:40 -0400 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. References: <200701301923.35564.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: >> So I went back to the "Configure Window Behaviour" options (right click >> on a title bar) and deleted any application settings, and still >> everything pops up maximized. > > Crazy man! > I have no idea, but I can't wait to hear more about it! > Is there a text file where those settings are kept? Perhaps I can show > mine and it will help you suss yours? I'm certain there is, and I think I have figured out enough about what's happening to have a chance of searching for it, but there's a lot of text config files in ~/.kde/ and finding the right one isn't simple. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 17:34:07 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:34:07 -0400 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Earl Violet wrote: > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely different topic. This was just a natural evolution. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 17:30:34 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:30:34 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BF2AEE.2090905@jguk.org> <5m1494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <45BF6922.6040201@jguk.org> Message-ID: Jon Grant wrote: > I've not seen any suggestion to only include someone in the reply to > their email if they request it. Typically the sender will be in the To: > field, and the list will be in the CC: field, This isn't typical at all. Smart mail clients respond to the List-Post header. Otherwise, the "From" or "Reply-to" header is in the TO, and CCs are in the CC. afaict, nothing is actually "typical". > but it's apparent Ubuntu > mailinglist has been incorrectly configured to set Reply-To, which I don't think so, but I'm not reading via the list. > CC'ing doesn't bypass any of my filters, perhaps you need to check your > configuration. e.g. Thunderbird calls the filter option "To or CC" Not my situation at all, thanks. As I said, I get it via gmane news. However, again, smart mail clients filter on the List headers - in which case "to or CC" would be missed. Of course I DON'T want list posts filtered via To or CC, as I specifically want stuff posted TO me in my inbox. > >>> The >>> only problem I can see is that Ubuntu have set the Reply-To field to the >>> mailing-list address. >> >> How about for all of us who get the list via gmane, thank you? If I >> wanted to receive emails of all these posts, I'd use the list interface. > > You'd need to speak to the people who maintain your mail2news gateway. No, I don't. You're missing the point. Many of us using the Ubuntu lists read them via gmane. If we wanted mail, we'd subscribe to the list. There's nothing wrong with gmane's gateway, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE CC'd on everything. > There are obvious workarounds for gmane not supporting what you want, It's not gmane's problem, it's rude posters. > like subscribing from a noreply at yourhost.com email address. Or simply I don't want to prevent people talking to me, I just don't want you sending me copies I'm obviously going to see anyway. I have always made it a point of using valid email addresses on news & lists and I don't plan to change now. > configure your client to delete any list email you receive if you never > want it via that route. I'm not fond of workarounds like this myself, > the issue should be tackled for all users who want the feature. I'd rather try to educate users not to CC posters who are already going to see the mail. If, otoh, individuals like you and Donn insist on CC'ing me when I politely ask you not to, I'll just filter those individuals. As for tackling the issue for all users, just who should be doing that? _My_ mail client already behaves properly - if I reply, it goes to the list, if I reply-all it goes to the list and CCs the poster. Yours, apparently, misbehaves. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 17:55:27 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:55:27 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <726494-q7m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: >> I'm cool - you objected that you weren't lying, and I tried to point out >> that I never thought you were, simply that if Ubuntu were to say what you >> wanted _they_ (imo) would be lying. > I was putting out a suggestion based on what had been talked about earlier > and by calling that suggestion a "lie" You still wish to take this as a personal attack. I never once said you were lying, only that Ubuntu _would_ be lying to make such a statement. You, in saying it, were merely misguided - Ubuntu would know better, and thus it would be a lie. > I perceived you to be aggressive. > Rather than actually reading my posts and taking the time to see my point > you have come down from on-high like a tonne of bricks. Once again, you accuse me of your own faults. I did take the time to read your posts, but you keep accuse me of not doing so. > Okay -- I'll say it again : Firefox 2 the Linux binary from the official > site *does* run on Dapper -- for a while. It crashes. This is my direct > experience; I might be alone in this. You might. You might not, but that is a specific case, and a specific app. Taking your experience completely at face value, that simply means that one vendor has release one insufficiently test application. Funny, but I see that a lot in Windows, too. >> You're complaining that you can't get updated > I am not complaining. Please don't presume to speak for my intentions. Excuse me, but you keep accusing me of being unable to read, so I should be entitled to at least the same level of misunderstanding. It certainly reads like a complaint. >> I disagree. You have argued that Ubuntu is not as user-friendly as >> Windows because it doesn't provide continuous updates to non-Ubuntu >> software. > Okay -- I'll lay it all out again: > My "argument" is now (since I admitted my change in position due to recent > education on the subject) that there is a disconnect for new users who > have come from Windows. > I am saying that *if* Ubuntu is aiming at replacing > Windows (which seems to be the tacit aim, although I could be wrong) then > it's my opinion that there is a problem when it comes to using the latest > versions of software on the current version of Ubuntu you happen to run. That sounds like a complaint (and your premise is wrong). > > I built this upon my prior discussions on the reasons why Gnu/Linux has > trouble running certain software. It is a simple fact that a distro will > age rapidly and in Ubuntu-land (and Fedoraville too) each "upgrade" is > virtually a new distro. This leaves "islands" of users behind as the newer > apps available in the repos are not available for them. Witness Firefox 2 > which is not available for Dapper. It _is_ available for Dapper. It certainly doesn't crash for everybody. So, once again, your premise is disproved. > In the Windows world it is perfectly natural to keep moving up to the > latest versions of apps. One typically experiences no problem at all doing > so. It is the standard and natural order of things. The authors of those > apps are happy too because their users are mostly keeping pace with their > development and bug reports are more on-target. And it's exactly the same in the Ubuntu world - except that, for the most part, you will be able to update all of your apps without going out to every vendor's website. Like "Windows Update" but for much more than just the O/S software. > > Now that user comes to Ubuntu. All is fine for 6 months, perhaps a year. > They rely on the apps in the repos because Synaptic and apt-get are > emphasized. (Actually going to a website and downloading an install file > is not common on Linux.) Actually, it's very common on Linux, but not in the Debian-style distros. It's becoming less so in other distros, too. > So, if the user is happy and makes it to the end of a year and then sees > that ZingBling 2.5 is out and they check their Synaptic and it only shows > 2.1 and they never see any new update icons for it, they may get a little > worried. You do realize that Synaptic is _not_ the tool that the Ubuntu developers recommend to do the job? Since we're talking Kubuntu, the tool is Adept, and I'll accept that it's highly intimidating and doesn't have a way to automatically move you to the next release. That is simply a bug to file with Adept. > That's what I am talking about. New users will not glibly accept the "Well > you can stick to version 2.1 of ZingBling or you must update Ubuntu." > "But I can run ZingBling 2.0 on Windows 98?" > > That's the disconnect. That's what I was addressing. I was saying > *perhaps* there should be wording (in plain English, sans Linuxy buzzwords > like "Debian") in the opening introduction to Ubuntu. My personal preference would be that Ubuntu do exactly what Debian does - if I point my sources.list to "stable", it is never obsolete. Updates will continue forever. > > Sure, new users will have to adjust to the reality and the operational > facts of Ubuntu, this is about pre-warning them on this one issue. Then the warning you want to see is just something along the lines of "every six months or so, you will need to update one file to point to a new source of packages". It would be nice if that was automated for you, but it hardly makes life a living hell not to have it. It's still far above and beyond having to go out to every single app's website to get new releases. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 18:27:31 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:27:31 +0200 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701302027.33006.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > So I went back to the "Configure Window Behaviour" options (right click on > a title bar) and deleted any application settings, and still everything > pops up maximized. Right, I dug around. My per app settings are in /home/donn/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc Perhaps you will find entries for programmes that you don't want it to be remembering stuff about -- delete those. Also check it out (and the other kwin*) files. Still hacking around. /d From lokeey at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 18:51:52 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:51:52 -0600 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: right! also known as thread-jacking! On 1/30/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Earl Violet wrote: > > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > > > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely different > topic. This was just a natural evolution. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 18:55:39 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:39 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701302055.40196.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I won't argue with you. I'm not in the mood and you haven't bought a ticket. Let's get to the good stuff in your post: > > I built this upon my prior discussions on the reasons why Gnu/Linux has > > trouble running certain software. It is a simple fact that a distro will > > age rapidly and in Ubuntu-land (and Fedoraville too) each "upgrade" is > > virtually a new distro. This leaves "islands" of users behind as the > > newer apps available in the repos are not available for them. Witness > > Firefox 2 which is not available for Dapper. > > It _is_ available for Dapper. It certainly doesn't crash for everybody. > So, once again, your premise is disproved. Not at all. It is a fact that on Ubuntu (means *buntu) and Fedora a given distro has a set of apps that are frozen at some version number. If you want to go up your Ubuntu must also go up. Leave Firefox out then. I had the same trouble with Inkscape and wxPython. I am also not alone in coming-up against this issue. I can't really imagine how you cannot have experienced it, other than to think you must be very adept at upgrading Ubuntu and thus you would not have noticed it. > And it's exactly the same in the Ubuntu world - except that, for the most > part, you will be able to update all of your apps without going out to > every vendor's website. Like "Windows Update" but for much more than just > the O/S software. Yes -- to a set version limit. > > Now that user comes to Ubuntu. All is fine for 6 months, perhaps a year. > > They rely on the apps in the repos because Synaptic and apt-get are > > emphasized. (Actually going to a website and downloading an install file > > is not common on Linux.) > Actually, it's very common on Linux, but not in the Debian-style distros. > It's becoming less so in other distros, too. I was on Fedora for ages, it was common to use yum over there. It was rare to find an rpm and install it because of dep hell. Perhaps there are circles of experience within Linux and you move on a more advanced one than I do. > > So, if the user is happy and makes it to the end of a year and then sees > > that ZingBling 2.5 is out and they check their Synaptic and it only shows > > 2.1 and they never see any new update icons for it, they may get a little > > worried. > You do realize that Synaptic is _not_ the tool that the Ubuntu developers > recommend to do the job? Since we're talking Kubuntu, the tool is Adept, Sorry - mea culpa. > and I'll accept that it's highly intimidating and doesn't have a way to > automatically move you to the next release. That is simply a bug to file > with Adept. Sure thing. I was hoping there would be an 'upgrade helper' like the one in Ubuntu, but I have not seen that one yet. > My personal preference would be that Ubuntu do exactly what Debian does - > if I point my sources.list to "stable", it is never obsolete. Updates will > continue forever. Now, to keep me straight, when you say "stable" and "is never obsolete" do you mean that Debian's repos keep (many || most || some || all) apps up to date (i.e. on the latest stable version)? If so then I would totally agree with you, but perhaps I misunderstand the words. > > Sure, new users will have to adjust to the reality and the operational > > facts of Ubuntu, this is about pre-warning them on this one issue. > Then the warning you want to see is just something along the lines of > "every six months or so, you will need to update one file to point to a new > source of packages". It would be nice if that was automated for you, but > it hardly makes life a living hell not to have it. It's still far above > and beyond having to go out to every single app's website to get new > releases. -- Cool, that's where I was heading -- to have a go at the wording. In my neck of the woods, the Internet is very slow, restricted by caps, unreliable and intolerably expensive (South Africa). That's one reason why keeping Kubuntu updated is hard to do, not impossible but hard. There's also the "oops" factor involved when upgrading; loss of hardware functionality, loss of config files, odd problems. The very fact of the complexity of a distro almost guarantees this. To me this means there is no smooth, seamless, unseen slide into the next version -- hence, new users and users who cannot afford to "take a chance" will tend to stay on a single version. I really don't know how common this is, it's surely something we can discuss. Those two points were not complaints. I am observing facts from my pov, asking for argument to test those facts but building an argument from them in the meantime. From those points, I would argue that many users will stay on the version of Ubuntu they first install, especially if it happens to be a Long Term Support version. Thus they will run into the software jail I spoke of and thus I wanted to make the situation clear in the text, hence my version of the introduction. So, something like: "Every six months or so, if you find you cannot move to the latest versions of the apps you use, you will need to run the Ubuntu update wizard first. After that you will find all the latest stable versions become available. Please note that this will fetch many megabytes from the web and might take some time and certainly needs a fast connection. If your Internet is not up to the job, please be patient and order a new CD from which you can easily upgrade." And then I would say, concentrate on making the upgrade (from net or CD) as smooth as humanly possible! Right, bedtime real soon. /d PS - I meant to ask: I read the Ubuntu pages on this but I am not sure, will I be able to update Dapper LTS to XXX LTS, whatever XXX is in the future? I.e. does LTS update directly to LTS without having to go through all the animals in-between? From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Tue Jan 30 19:22:13 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (grumpypenguin) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:22:13 -0700 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:34, Derek Broughton wrote: > Earl Violet wrote: > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely different > topic. This was just a natural evolution. perhaps he dos not believe in thread evolution ;-) > -- > derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 30 19:23:39 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:23:39 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701302055.40196.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: >> > Now that user comes to Ubuntu. All is fine for 6 months, perhaps a >> > year. They rely on the apps in the repos because Synaptic and apt-get >> > are emphasized. (Actually going to a website and downloading an install >> > file is not common on Linux.) >> Actually, it's very common on Linux, but not in the Debian-style distros. >> It's becoming less so in other distros, too. > I was on Fedora for ages, it was common to use yum over there. It was rare > to find an rpm and install it because of dep hell. Perhaps there are > circles of experience within Linux and you move on a more advanced one > than I do. No, I mean that it used to be that the rpm-based distros all used rpmfind and tended to grab their rpms from anywhere, and the non-rpm, non-debian distros _always_ used to work from tarballs. Now the rpm-based distros are moving more and more towards apt, and even the big all-source distro, gentoo, has package management, and while I'm not sure any significant distro still works from tarballs, every app developer still produces them and almost all the users know what to do with them. > Sure thing. I was hoping there would be an 'upgrade helper' like the one > in Ubuntu, but I have not seen that one yet. I've been hoping too, and I've yet to see it. > >> My personal preference would be that Ubuntu do exactly what Debian does - >> if I point my sources.list to "stable", it is never obsolete. Updates >> will continue forever. > Now, to keep me straight, when you say "stable" and "is never obsolete" do > you mean that Debian's repos keep (many || most || some || all) apps up to > date (i.e. on the latest stable version)? I don't know what the current state of Debian is, but there are always three current versions, there is "stable", "testing" and "unstable". These are symlinks on the mirrors. Stable currently points to "sarge", unstable always points to "sid", and testing points to something else :-). When the current "testing" version is released, the symlinks are changed. Then stable will point to whatever testing points to now, testing will point to a new release, and unstable will still point to "sid". So if you are running servers pointing at stable, they will automatically be pointing at a new release eventually. If you're more cutting edge, you use "testing", and again, it will become a new release at some point. If Ubuntu was doing this, last summer stable would have linked to "dapper" & testing to "edgy", now stable links to "edgy" and testing to "feisty" (there would, of course, be really good reasons not to actually use the names "stable" and "testing"). > From those points, I would argue that many users will stay on the version > of Ubuntu they first install, especially if it happens to be a Long Term > Support version. Thus they will run into the software jail I spoke of and > thus I wanted to make the situation clear in the text, hence my version of > the introduction. Those who find updating tedious will do exactly what Windows users do - they'll order a new CD every so often, but they'll be able to get them more often than Windows users. > PS - I meant to ask: I read the Ubuntu pages on this but I am not sure, > will I be able to update Dapper LTS to XXX LTS, whatever XXX is in the > future? I.e. does LTS update directly to LTS without having to go through > all the animals in-between? I don't have a clue - I would hope so, because many people have been encouraged to stay with the LTS release. -- derek From james at gray.net.au Tue Jan 30 19:49:00 2007 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:49:00 +1100 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8DBD064F-5D84-405A-977C-C9DF4D7037BA@gray.net.au> On 31/01/2007, at 4:08 AM, Earl Violet wrote: > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > Earl It's a thread, it evolves. Just because you were involved/interested in the early part of the thread doesn't give you exclusive rights to drive its evolution. This is the Internet, not the 3rd grade :P Tis the nature of things :) Peace, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2417 bytes Desc: not available URL: From orbert at orbert.net Tue Jan 30 20:21:01 2007 From: orbert at orbert.net (Robert Morrison) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:21:01 -0600 Subject: kmail and saving threads In-Reply-To: <200701292221.32680.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200701292221.32680.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701301421.01505.orbert@orbert.net> On Monday 29 January 2007 14:21, Donn wrote: > I am viewing my kubuntu-users emails as a "thread" and I want to save a > thread > from the OP including all the replies into some kind of useful shape. Is > there some clever way a single text file (with indenting) could be produced > or even better, a set of linked html files of the whole thing? I'm not a kmail expert, but here are some suggestions/possibilities: 1) To save the thread to a single file: -- collapse the thread; select it -- use menu: File>Save As The result of this will be a file that contains all the mail, and is (I think) also a valid *nix 'mbox' file. 2) Searching: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mbox+to+html%22 finds: http://www.mhonarc.org/ which _may_ help you turn that mbox to a nice set of html files. 3) Best place for kmail questions: kdepim-users list: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users HTH, Robert From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Tue Jan 30 20:22:13 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:22:13 +0100 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:55:32 +0100 H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > I'd say "hot" when it just shuts down or crashes. > The thing just isn't usable and more than often wont even boot. > > Been running with 2.4 kernel (slackware 11) for more than 4 hours now without more than 40 degr. Thought I keep ya'll posted here. I discovered that ACPI is the culprit ---- in combination with a dying CPU. Whether it's ACPI that killed the CPU or not isn't clear but it will only boot in "battery mode" now. The 2.6 kernel is just too heavy a load (with or without ACPI) for the P3. -- Good luck, HarM. From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 21:21:38 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:21:38 -0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: On 1/30/07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:55:32 +0100 > H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > I'd say "hot" when it just shuts down or crashes. > > The thing just isn't usable and more than often wont even boot. > > > > Been running with 2.4 kernel (slackware 11) for more than 4 hours now without more than 40 degr. > > Thought I keep ya'll posted here. > > I discovered that ACPI is the culprit ---- in combination with a dying CPU. > > Whether it's ACPI that killed the CPU or not isn't clear but it will only boot in "battery mode" now. > The 2.6 kernel is just too heavy a load (with or without ACPI) for the P3. I highly doubt it's the kernel. The kernel itself only runs about 20 MB in memory, so I think it's the ACPI helper applications which extend the kernel functionality. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From kubuntulists at littlefish.ca Tue Jan 30 23:06:09 2007 From: kubuntulists at littlefish.ca (Scott Mazur) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:06:09 -0600 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages (hold up there!) In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701302055.40196.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070130220919.M88521@littlefish.ca> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:23:39 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote > No, I mean that it used to be that the rpm-based distros all used rpmfind > and tended to grab their rpms from anywhere, and the non-rpm, non-debian > distros _always_ used to work from tarballs. Now the rpm-based > distros are moving more and more towards apt, and even the big all- > source distro, gentoo, has package management, and while I'm not > sure any significant distro still works from tarballs, every app > developer still produces them and almost all the users know what to > do with them. Now that sounds like a boat load of crap that could only come from someone who's never lived outside the debian world. First of all it's never been true that rpm-based distros all used rpmfind. Rpmfind is a place of last resort to 'maybe' get an application that your 'rpm-based' distro never provided and there was no other way to get it. If you were lucky you might find an rpmfind version that was built specifically for your distro, and even then installing could very well lead into a long trip into dependency hell. Second, rpm-based distros are not moving more and more towards apt. In fact the last (dated) news I recall on the rpm/apt war front is that rpm is winning the battle. There's no point arguing which package manager is better (remember Beta vs VHS?), users simply don't care. One format will float to the top and the other will become a foot note in Linux history. And it will be decided by uninformed users who have no idea what the technical differences are. Third, the day 'most users' knew what to do with a tarball ended with the first person who discovered Linux has come far enough along that you can realistically ditch MS for it. 'Most Users' aren't developers and the number of tarball ignorant users is growing exponentially. To suggest most users even know what a tarball is, let alone how to install one is nothing more than arrogant denial of the changing world around us. I like Kubuntu. I think it's got alot of things going for it. It's also got some things I don't like, but then so did so does every other distro. Time will tell if it's got the stuff to hold in, but you can bet it will be a short life if (k)ubuntu doesn't open it's eyes to user criticisms (sorry for hijacking the thread...) Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Tue Jan 30 20:28:40 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (grumpypenguin) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:28:40 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701302055.40196.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701301328.40391.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 12:23, Derek Broughton wrote: > Donn wrote: > > > From those points, I would argue that many users will stay on the version > > of Ubuntu they first install, especially if it happens to be a Long Term > > Support version. Thus they will run into the software jail I spoke of and > > thus I wanted to make the situation clear in the text, hence my version > > of the introduction. > > Those who find updating tedious will do exactly what Windows users do - > they'll order a new CD every so often, but they'll be able to get them more > often than Windows users. And a hell of a lot cheaper > > > PS - I meant to ask: I read the Ubuntu pages on this but I am not sure, > > will I be able to update Dapper LTS to XXX LTS, whatever XXX is in the > > future? I.e. does LTS update directly to LTS without having to go through > > all the animals in-between? > > I don't have a clue - I would hope so, because many people have been > encouraged to stay with the LTS release. > -- > derek From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 30 23:29:03 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:29:03 -0500 Subject: Decent replacement for Kuickview in Kubuntu 6.10 which has Fit to Window and Advance PgUp/PgDown In-Reply-To: <45BEC6F8.3090603@gmail.com> References: <45BB7698.90106@jguk.org> <200701292243.55076.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BEC6F8.3090603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701301829.04059.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 29 January 2007 11:18 pm, O. Sinclair wrote: > this from kde-apps might help you; > http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52276 > the guy is also missing Kuickview apparently I saw this too. Sounds like you have to have working 3D support for this to do its thing, which is a shame. Kuickshow didn't require working 3D support, and it was at least twice as fast as Gwenview. Gwenview is fine, but it's such a slow dog to run. (Yeah, I can fix 3D support by building custom modules for my custom kernel, but every time I fool around with the proprietary ATI drivers my system gets unstable. Meh. It's not worth all that.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 30 23:43:00 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:43:00 -0500 Subject: right alt key and kde In-Reply-To: <71p294-vhi.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <71p294-vhi.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200701301843.00579.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 29 January 2007 10:01 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > It's certainly intentional that they should be different, otherwise it > would be impossible to map them to different functions. Insisting that two > different keys must do the same job is so Windowsish :-) But they don't. Left shift/Ctrl/Alt are for letters typed with the right hand, and right shift/Ctrl/Alt are for letters typed with the left hand. This hasn't worked correctly in ages either, come to think of it. Oh well. I'm used to typing things with the wrong fingers after all this time, and not bored enough to endeavor to do anything about this matter. -- D. Michael McIntyre From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Wed Jan 31 00:05:21 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:05:21 +0100 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:21:38 -0800 Chris wrote: > > I highly doubt it's the kernel. The kernel itself only runs about 20 > MB in memory, so I think it's the ACPI helper applications which > extend the kernel functionality. Well, I still have to discover how to run ACPI outside the kernel. I will try eventually as I've not discovered yet how to manipulate the fan w.o. ACPI and the 2.4.33 kernel can be compiled to include it, that's hopefull. With a bit of luck I can keep "speedstepping" out and just keep the CPU cool (i.e. the fan running), the BIOS alone isn't up to it, in this case. Quite frankly, I find that the inability of "cutting edge " distribs to run w.o. special kernel patches rather disturbing. It's one of the (my) reasons to move away from M$ stuf and another reason ( in linux perspective) to use Slackware again. Will keep you posted on progress, if any. -- Good luck, HarM. From jg at jguk.org Wed Jan 31 00:53:37 2007 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:53:37 +0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701292025.20461.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701292036.57438.auspex@pointerstop.ca> <200701300853.11965.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <45BF2AEE.2090905@jguk.org> <5m1494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <45BF6922.6040201@jguk.org> Message-ID: <45BFE891.20703@jguk.org> Hi Derek, Thanks for your reply. You make some interesting points. Derek Broughton elucidated on 30/01/07 17:30: > Jon Grant wrote: > >> I've not seen any suggestion to only include someone in the reply to >> their email if they request it. Typically the sender will be in the To: >> field, and the list will be in the CC: field, > > This isn't typical at all. Smart mail clients respond to the List-Post > header. Otherwise, the "From" or "Reply-to" header is in the TO, and CCs > are in the CC. afaict, nothing is actually "typical". Reply-to seems to override in the case of Thunderbird. >> but it's apparent Ubuntu >> mailinglist has been incorrectly configured to set Reply-To, which > > I don't think so, but I'm not reading via the list. > >> CC'ing doesn't bypass any of my filters, perhaps you need to check your >> configuration. e.g. Thunderbird calls the filter option "To or CC" > > Not my situation at all, thanks. As I said, I get it via gmane news. > However, again, smart mail clients filter on the List headers - in which > case "to or CC" would be missed. Of course I DON'T want list posts > filtered via To or CC, as I specifically want stuff posted TO me in my > inbox. >>>> The >>>> only problem I can see is that Ubuntu have set the Reply-To field to the >>>> mailing-list address. >>> How about for all of us who get the list via gmane, thank you? If I >>> wanted to receive emails of all these posts, I'd use the list interface. >> You'd need to speak to the people who maintain your mail2news gateway. > > No, I don't. You're missing the point. Many of us using the Ubuntu lists > read them via gmane. If we wanted mail, we'd subscribe to the list. > There's nothing wrong with gmane's gateway, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE CC'd on > everything. > >> There are obvious workarounds for gmane not supporting what you want, > > It's not gmane's problem, it's rude posters. There lies your problem. I think you need to agree there is an issue before you can resolve it. No poster is being rude by including your email address in a reply to the email you sent. You have a problem because you separate your sending/viewing and didn't check gmane fits with your approach. I don't personally see dups when I'm on lists as well as in To or CC. >> like subscribing from a noreply at yourhost.com email address. Or simply > > I don't want to prevent people talking to me, I just don't want you sending > me copies I'm obviously going to see anyway. I have always made it a point > of using valid email addresses on news & lists and I don't plan to change > now. It sounds like you're not on the "list" though, wherein lies the problem, you've adopted gmane without checking it fits. >> configure your client to delete any list email you receive if you never >> want it via that route. I'm not fond of workarounds like this myself, >> the issue should be tackled for all users who want the feature. > > I'd rather try to educate users not to CC posters who are already going to > see the mail. If, otoh, individuals like you and Donn insist on CC'ing me > when I politely ask you not to, I'll just filter those individuals. I don't have any records indicating I have been CC'ing you. as Ubuntu made a mistake and set the Reply-To to the list address Thunderbird simply replies to that. It's not a case of education, you have your view and you have adopted something unconventional i.e. gmane for reading an email discussion list. Solve the problem where it occurs (your gmane viewing/posting), not back up the chain at individuals and mailing list level. You'll never succeed in getting everyone to addopt something unconventional just to workaround your use of Gmane... > As for tackling the issue for all users, just who should be doing that? > _My_ mail client already behaves properly - if I reply, it goes to the > list, if I reply-all it goes to the list and CCs the poster. Yours, > apparently, misbehaves. I'm unsubbing from the list in a few hours as I'm not a regular here, so remember to include my email address in any reply if you'd like me to see it! (no pun intended!) I'm intending this reply to be constructive, so please don't take it any other way. -- Weblog: http://jguk.org/ From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 01:45:08 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:45:08 -0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: On 1/30/07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:21:38 -0800 > Chris wrote: > > I highly doubt it's the kernel. The kernel itself only runs about 20 > > MB in memory, so I think it's the ACPI helper applications which > > extend the kernel functionality. > > Well, I still have to discover how to run ACPI outside the kernel. I will try eventually as I've not discovered yet how to manipulate the fan w.o. ACPI and the 2.4.33 kernel can be compiled to include it, that's hopefull. no no no no no. The kernel will enable the ability of the software to use the hardware. It's like loading a driver in Microsoftnese. The kernel support itself is trivial for the CPU. The software may be a different story. ACPI is really just getting settled down (it's really new to Linux). The GUI software for it is legion because no body really knows what's the best way to deal with it. I prefer KPowerSave, others like the (spartan) little gizmo that Kubuntu comes with. I can't stand not being able to find out what my CPU is throttled at. Others could care less. It's all about choice. > With a bit of luck I can keep "speedstepping" out and just keep the CPU cool (i.e. the fan running), the BIOS alone isn't up to it, in this case. BIOS has nothing to do with it either. BIOS controls virtually no run-time behavior whatsoever beyond booting. It's all software. Speedstepping is extremely good if your processor supports it. It can save a load of power and reduce heat by a appreciable amount. When my laptop ran Windows XP (without throttling) it was running so hot I could have fried an egg on the underside of my laptop. I switched to Linux, which had CPU throttling. It runs at room temperature unless I'm running something CPU intensive at the time (read: I'm a programmer, so CPU intensive usually constitutes finding the nth digit of pi or the first ten digit prime number found in e.) > Quite frankly, I find that the inability of "cutting edge " distribs to run w.o. special kernel patches rather disturbing. It's one of the (my) reasons to move away from M$ stuf and another reason ( in linux perspective) to use Slackware again. I know of no kernel mods. Mine works just fine with none. I installed the powersave daemon 'cause it's the little guy which controls the hardware using kernel-supplied mechanisms. I installed kpowersaved because I like KDE. > Will keep you posted on progress, if any. Okey dokey. -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From brymelvin at melvinart.com Wed Jan 31 02:55:27 2007 From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Paula Melvin) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:55:27 -0700 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <148509.82903.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:22 -0700, grumpypenguin wrote: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:34, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Earl Violet wrote: > > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > > > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely different > > topic. This was just a natural evolution. > perhaps he dos not believe in thread evolution ;-) > > -- > > derek > does this mean we have to use "thread Intelligent Design" Sorry couldn't resist that. Bryann From aharrison at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 03:25:12 2007 From: aharrison at gmail.com (Andy Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:25:12 -0500 Subject: right alt key and kde In-Reply-To: <200701301843.00579.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <71p294-vhi.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200701301843.00579.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: On 1/30/07, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007 10:01 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > It's certainly intentional that they should be different, otherwise it > > would be impossible to map them to different functions. Insisting that two > > different keys must do the same job is so Windowsish :-) > > But they don't. Left shift/Ctrl/Alt are for letters typed with the right > hand, and right shift/Ctrl/Alt are for letters typed with the left hand. > > This hasn't worked correctly in ages either, come to think of it. Oh well. > I'm used to typing things with the wrong fingers after all this time, and not > bored enough to endeavor to do anything about this matter. > In case anyone else is interested, I just edit the /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/level3 file and changed the references to ISO_Level3_Shift into Alt_R. I probably didn't need to change *all* references, but it worked. -- Andy Harrison From terwilligerjones at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 03:27:11 2007 From: terwilligerjones at yahoo.com (Terwilliger Jones) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bluetooth and Tungsten E2 Message-ID: <413197.73667.qm@web52601.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to sync my Tungsten E2 by bluetooth. I can connect my handheld to the Kubuntu box, but I can't get either jpilot or kpilot to recognize it. On connection, /dev/rfcomm0 is created. I can list the files in the handheld to the Kubuntu box, so the problem doesn't seem to be with the bluetooth connectivity. jpilot has been tried with /dev/rfcomm0 and . with no success. kpilot likewise. KDE system settings show a policy of allow for * for Tungsten, which is: 115200 192.168.1.104:192.168.1.200 local ms-dns 127.0.0.1 noauth debug Any ideas? terwilliger --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grumpypenguin at qwest.net Wed Jan 31 03:31:37 2007 From: grumpypenguin at qwest.net (grumpypenguin) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:31:37 -0700 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> References: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701302031.37176.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 19:55, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:22 -0700, grumpypenguin wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:34, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Earl Violet wrote: > > > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > > > > > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely > > > different topic. This was just a natural evolution. > > > > perhaps he dos not believe in thread evolution ;-) > > > > > -- > > > derek > > does this mean we have to use "thread Intelligent Design" We could take it to the OT list....er you people have been issued asbestos undies ?..haven't you? > > > Sorry couldn't resist that. > > > > Bryann From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 07:36:11 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:36:11 +0200 Subject: kmail and saving threads In-Reply-To: <200701301421.01505.orbert@orbert.net> References: <200701292221.32680.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701301421.01505.orbert@orbert.net> Message-ID: <200701310936.12083.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 1) To save the thread to a single file: > -- collapse the thread; select it > -- use menu: File>Save As Thanks -- I don't know what I did when I tested this, but doing it as you said works. At least the entire thread is in one file now. > 2) Searching: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mbox+to+html%22 Cool, I would not have known to use the term :mbox: thanks for the tip. > http://www.mhonarc.org/ > which _may_ help you turn that mbox to a nice set of > html files. Whoa... I'll have to spend some time on this one, but it has all the right keywords, thanks again. > 3) Best place for kmail questions: kdepim-users list: > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users Right. I am starting to sense that there are mailing lists for just about anything! It must be my high midinerdian count :) Tah, /d From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Wed Jan 31 08:35:38 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:35:38 +0100 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <20070131093538.e0941d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:45:08 -0800 Chris wrote: > > BIOS has nothing to do with it either. BIOS controls virtually no > run-time behavior whatsoever beyond booting. It's all software. Well, I have an option to set the CPU in the bios to high, low or auto to extend battery life. If I set it to high performance it will double fault almost immediately at boot. Set at low performance it double faults just after ACPI chips in. It mentions setting the thermal zone and then halts 6 out of 10. The 2.4 kernel (slackware11) hasn't faulted yet so next step'll be enabling acpi as like your XP, it gets awful hot. > Speedstepping is extremely good if your processor supports it. I almost have the impression it doesn't, any more. All the heat certainly doesn't extend it's life span. > It can > save a load of power and reduce heat by a appreciable amount. When my > laptop ran Windows XP (without throttling) it was running so hot I > could have fried an egg on the underside of my laptop. I switched to > Linux, which had CPU throttling. It runs at room temperature unless > I'm running something CPU intensive at the time (read: I'm a > programmer, so CPU intensive usually constitutes finding the nth digit > of pi or the first ten digit prime number found in e.) This is my teenage daughters laptop. Doesn't do that much, though I have noticed that "amsn" (and kopete) when in use rocket cpu usage up to 90% or more. That's when the thing really gets hot, including the wireless pcmcia card. -- Good luck, HarM. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 09:13:49 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:49 +0200 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <20070131093538.e0941d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131093538.e0941d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <45C05DCD.6000600@gmail.com> H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:45:08 -0800 > Chris wrote: > >> BIOS has nothing to do with it either. BIOS controls virtually no >> run-time behavior whatsoever beyond booting. It's all software. > > Well, I have an option to set the CPU in the bios to high, low or auto to extend battery life. > If I set it to high performance it will double fault almost immediately at boot. > Set at low performance it double faults just after ACPI chips in. It mentions setting the thermal zone and then halts 6 out of 10. > The 2.4 kernel (slackware11) hasn't faulted yet so next step'll be enabling acpi as like your XP, it gets awful hot. > >> Speedstepping is extremely good if your processor supports it. > > I almost have the impression it doesn't, any more. All the heat certainly doesn't extend it's life span. > >> It can >> save a load of power and reduce heat by a appreciable amount. When my >> laptop ran Windows XP (without throttling) it was running so hot I >> could have fried an egg on the underside of my laptop. I switched to >> Linux, which had CPU throttling. It runs at room temperature unless >> I'm running something CPU intensive at the time (read: I'm a >> programmer, so CPU intensive usually constitutes finding the nth digit >> of pi or the first ten digit prime number found in e.) > > This is my teenage daughters laptop. Doesn't do that much, though I have noticed that "amsn" (and kopete) when in use rocket cpu usage up to 90% or more. That's when the thing really gets hot, including the wireless pcmcia card. > > I am not techie enough for this discussion but what I notice on my own laptop is that "the wireless area" (built-in in my Dell) gets uncomfortably hot, no matter what settings I choose. Have you used this lapotp w/o the wireless and checked how it behaves? And I have never noticed Kopete eating cpu - kmail does now and then but not Kopetee Am using Kubuntu 6.10 w kde 3.5.6 Sinclair From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 12:07:21 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:07:21 +0200 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701302031.37176.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> <200701302031.37176.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <880dece00701310407y1c5eb5ecvc600c88f1897f5eb@mail.gmail.com> On 31/01/07, grumpypenguin wrote: > > does this mean we have to use "thread Intelligent Design" > We could take it to the OT list....er you people have been issued asbestos > undies ?..haven't you? You should see the Fedora list (I'm subscribed there as well) for examples of going off on a tangent. A recent thread went well over 50 posts. The OP's question? How to unsubscribe from the list: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/229498/focus=230356 Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/protocol.html http://technology-sleuth.com/question/what_are_the_advantages_of_lcd_monitors.html From lokeey at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 13:45:27 2007 From: lokeey at gmail.com (Lokeey) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:45:27 -0600 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <880dece00701310407y1c5eb5ecvc600c88f1897f5eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> <200701302031.37176.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <880dece00701310407y1c5eb5ecvc600c88f1897f5eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: are you friggin kidding me?!?!?!?! HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE went over 50 posts/replies!!!! maybe they should attach a link to a "HOWTO" unsubscribe. hahahahhah!!! nothing but comedy. On 1/31/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 31/01/07, grumpypenguin wrote: > > > does this mean we have to use "thread Intelligent Design" > > We could take it to the OT list....er you people have been issued > asbestos > > undies ?..haven't you? > > You should see the Fedora list (I'm subscribed there as well) for > examples of going off on a tangent. A recent thread went well over 50 > posts. The OP's question? How to unsubscribe from the list: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/229498/focus=230356 > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/protocol.html > > http://technology-sleuth.com/question/what_are_the_advantages_of_lcd_monitors.html > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "I am what I am because of who we all are" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200701302055.40196.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20070130220919.M88521@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: Scott Mazur wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:23:39 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote >> No, I mean that it used to be that the rpm-based distros all used rpmfind >> and tended to grab their rpms from anywhere, and the non-rpm, non-debian >> distros _always_ used to work from tarballs. Now the rpm-based >> distros are moving more and more towards apt, and even the big all- >> source distro, gentoo, has package management, and while I'm not >> sure any significant distro still works from tarballs, every app >> developer still produces them and almost all the users know what to >> do with them. > > Now that sounds like a boat load of crap Nice language. > that could only come from someone > who's never lived outside the debian world. > > First of all it's never been true that rpm-based distros all used rpmfind. Sorry, never meant to say the distros all used rpmfind. My experience, however, is that users of those distros used to use rpmfind to get rpms from many places. > Rpmfind is a place of last resort to 'maybe' get an application that your > 'rpm-based' distro never provided and there was no other way to get it. Agreed. So I make a small mistake, and you call it a "boat load of crap" -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 31 13:54:23 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:54:23 -0400 Subject: right alt key and kde References: <71p294-vhi.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200701301843.00579.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 29 January 2007 10:01 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> It's certainly intentional that they should be different, otherwise it >> would be impossible to map them to different functions. Insisting that >> two different keys must do the same job is so Windowsish :-) > > But they don't. Left shift/Ctrl/Alt are for letters typed with the right > hand, and right shift/Ctrl/Alt are for letters typed with the left hand. Huh? As I said, it's intentional that the two keys give different codes. However, there's never (in Windows or KDE) been any predefined linkage between left-side characters and left ctrl or alt. Which is fortunate, because I only ever learned to use left ctrl & alt when touch typing. By default, the alt and ctrl characters on each side are given the same task, but they can be reassigned, even under Windows. > > This hasn't worked correctly in ages either, come to think of it. Oh > well. I'm used to typing things with the wrong fingers after all this > time, and not bored enough to endeavor to do anything about this matter. What did you want to see? -- derek From petkov23 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 15:40:51 2007 From: petkov23 at yahoo.com (Plamen Petkov) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:40:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: where should I install the boot loader? suggestions welcomes Message-ID: <386106.56769.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got 6.06 kubuntu, and I want to install it on my second hard drive - hdb. The drive is a slave and has a 70 Gig NTFS XP partition. I have re-partitioned it with a Linux partition and swap partition at the beginning. My question is where should I install the GRUB boot loader? I think Inside the MBR of hda is the best place. I'd hate to mess up my XP since it's a brand new install and all. --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 15:46:42 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:46:42 -0800 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: <45C05DCD.6000600@gmail.com> References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131093538.e0941d7e.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <45C05DCD.6000600@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/31/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:45:08 -0800 > > Chris wrote: > > > >> BIOS has nothing to do with it either. BIOS controls virtually no > >> run-time behavior whatsoever beyond booting. It's all software. > > > > Well, I have an option to set the CPU in the bios to high, low or auto to extend battery life. > > If I set it to high performance it will double fault almost immediately at boot. > > Set at low performance it double faults just after ACPI chips in. It mentions setting the thermal zone and then halts 6 out of 10. > > The 2.4 kernel (slackware11) hasn't faulted yet so next step'll be enabling acpi as like your XP, it gets awful hot. > > > >> Speedstepping is extremely good if your processor supports it. > > > > I almost have the impression it doesn't, any more. All the heat certainly doesn't extend it's life span. > > > >> It can > >> save a load of power and reduce heat by a appreciable amount. When my > >> laptop ran Windows XP (without throttling) it was running so hot I > >> could have fried an egg on the underside of my laptop. I switched to > >> Linux, which had CPU throttling. It runs at room temperature unless > >> I'm running something CPU intensive at the time (read: I'm a > >> programmer, so CPU intensive usually constitutes finding the nth digit > >> of pi or the first ten digit prime number found in e.) > > > > This is my teenage daughters laptop. Doesn't do that much, though I have noticed that "amsn" (and kopete) when in use rocket cpu usage up to 90% or more. That's when the thing really gets hot, including the wireless pcmcia card. > > > > > > I am not techie enough for this discussion but what I notice on my own > laptop is that "the wireless area" (built-in in my Dell) gets > uncomfortably hot, no matter what settings I choose. Have you used this Mine is an IBM X40 - the antennea is built into the screen. I've never had heat problems related with that. > lapotp w/o the wireless and checked how it behaves? > And I have never noticed Kopete eating cpu - kmail does now and then but > not Kopetee Kopete will chew through the CPU if you're doing a lot of IMing. > Am using Kubuntu 6.10 w kde 3.5.6 Kubuntu 6.10 w KDE 3.5.5 -- == == == Ƒ 5 |) 3 |/ == == == == ( 0 |) 3 \|/ 4 |2 |2 | 0 |2 == == == 7 | |\| µ Ж 6 µ |2 µ == == From nalon at terra.com.br Wed Jan 31 15:49:17 2007 From: nalon at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Alexandre_Nalon?=) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:49:17 -0200 Subject: Amarok context tab Message-ID: <200701311349.17107.nalon@terra.com.br> Hello, I hope this is not too much off-topic, and I am sorry if this is too basic, but I couldn't find an answer. I really like the context tab in Amarok, but every time I start the program it is gone, and only the music list is shown. I have to click in the left tab for it to appear again. When it appears, I have to resize it, as it is too small. While not a real problem, I would like it to keep the tab and its size when I start the program. Is there a way to do this? -- José Alexandre Nalon nalon at terra.com.br From petkov23 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 15:56:48 2007 From: petkov23 at yahoo.com (Plamen Petkov) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: where should I install the boot loader? suggestions welcomes Message-ID: <665567.66152.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got 6.06 kubuntu, and I want to install it on my second hard drive - hdb. The drive is a slave and has a 70 Gig NTFS XP partition. I have re-partitioned it with a Linux partition and swap partition at the beginning. My question is where should I install the GRUB boot loader? I think Inside the MBR of hda is the best place. I'd hate to mess up my XP since it's a brand new install and all. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com Wed Jan 31 16:31:57 2007 From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:31:57 +0000 Subject: where should I install the boot loader? suggestions welcomes In-Reply-To: <386106.56769.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <386106.56769.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Plamen Petkov wrote: > I got 6.06 kubuntu, and I want to install it on my second hard drive - > hdb. ok >The drive is a slave and has a 70 Gig NTFS XP partition. is this the second HD hdb? is the HD only 70GB size? what is on the first HD (hda) - windows?, just to be clear > I have > re-partitioned it with is my understanding correct here - second drive is 70 GB and has two partions which fill the space (?) > a Linux partition and swap partition at the > beginning. It sounds like you created the partitions and formatted also? which install method do you intend to use? install from live CD will most easily just work (with no manual decisions) if it sees (a windows partition and) an empty space or drive. Simply choose hdb - 'take over whole drive' > My question is where should I install the GRUB boot loader? the default install will modify your MBR to point also to the grub files in the main linux ( / ) partition I believe. (The MBR can be normalised back to windows only using ( fix mbr [check this]) or similar from a win startup diskette if you ever need to) >I think > Inside the MBR of hda is the best place. the mbr remains in original place, though modified, pointing elsewhere. Grub can go anywhere if you wish, but the default is pretty convenient > I'd hate to mess up my XP since it's a brand new install and all. understood hth -- ac From triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl Wed Jan 31 16:45:27 2007 From: triade-lists at zeelandnet.nl (H.J.Bathoorn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:45:27 +0100 Subject: Fujitsu Laptop Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20070128223641.078b669f.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <200701281534.39263.m-wright@eskimo.com> <20070129025532.38a09c37.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070130212213.6b509e43.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> <20070131010521.93d72bc7.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <20070131174527.4b0ae724.triade-lists@zeelandnet.nl> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:45:08 -0800 Chris wrote: > > Will keep you posted on progress, if any. > > Okey dokey. Well I used an acpi enabled 2.4.33 kernel. That way I can keep the CPU cool ..... but the moment speedstep chips in the laptop powers off ---bang!--- This happens on different levels of cpu usage so I'm fairly clueless at exactly where and how. I'm presuming speedstep overrides my "battery" setting in the BIOS and un-throttles a step up because of the program that's running. It certainly isn't a temperature problem. I'd at best like to turn off speedstep but am fairly clueless how. Changing/removing the states T1 and up in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling ??? Thought I'd ask for pointers before trying that. -- Good luck, HarM. From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 17:03:22 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:03:22 -0500 Subject: Trouble with BT Message-ID: <45C0CBDA.1020606@gmail.com> I'd like to sync my Tungsten E2 by bluetooth. I can connect my handheld to the Kubuntu box, but I can't get either jpilot or kpilot to recognize it. On connection, /dev/rfcomm0 is created. I can list the files in the handheld to the Kubuntu box, so the problem doesn't seem to be with the bluetooth connectivity. jpilot has been tried with /dev/rfcomm0 and . with no success. kpilot likewise. KDE system settings show a policy of allow for * for Tungsten, which is: 115200 192.168.1.104:192.168.1.200 local ms-dns 127.0.0.1 noauth debug Any ideas? From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:21:06 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:21:06 -0500 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701311221.08057.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 11:01, Derek Broughton wrote: > Recently (after playing with Special Window Settings and Special > Application Settings in Wine, to make Quicken's pop-up windows work), every > single pop-up window produced in KDE is coming up full screen. > > So: password prompts from kdesu, file choosers, configure windows, etc, > etc, etc. Yeah. It's a kwin feature that sounds good but isn't. > > So I went back to the "Configure Window Behaviour" options (right click on > a title bar) and deleted any application settings, and still everything > pops up maximized. > > Does anybody have a clue what I've done? No. When I reset it, it stopped. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at pavri.net Wed Jan 31 17:37:11 2007 From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:07:11 +0530 Subject: Recovery In-Reply-To: References: <20070130161952.GA8024@localhost> Message-ID: <20070131173711.GF7164@localhost> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Lokeey wrote: > i haven't done anything to fix it yet...i'm still looking for a tool to help > me extract the data that's on that partition...i think what the partition is > missing is a kde startup file, but i'm not 100% sure...also, when i received > the first batch of errors, i fan fsck > > to answer your other question, what i originally did was format the > partition that i thought was empty and not being used. Ouch :) First rule of recovery --- use your backups -- you _do_ have backups right ? Second rule --- don't even mount the hard disk you are trying to recover data from. Disk sync'ing _can_ play a bit of avoidable havoc. One way to go would be to attach another hard disk to the machine and use dd to copy over the entire partition to the new disk. Say your original hard disk is hda (priamry master) and you have attached a new disk at hdb (primary slave) and say your affected partition is hda2. Boot from a live cd, anything should do, a kubuntu live cd or a knoppix cd or even one of the tiny linux distros like rip or tomsrtbt. Create a partition on hdb say hdb1 of the same size as your deleted partition if possible or larger but definitely not smaller. make sure both hda and hdb are unmounted. use the mount command to check. then do dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/dev/hdb1 bs=1024 once that is done you will have a bit by bit raw copy of your original partition at hdb1. Mount this and do all your recovery attempts on this. If you do not want to fiddle with the partitions on hdb and you have an empty partition larger than hda2 you could also do dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/dev/hdb1/backup.iso bs=1024 you will then have to mount backup.iso on loopback. How to do that is left as an exercise to the reader :) also take a look here http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk let us know how things work. usual caveats apply -- you will do everything at your own risk. If you have data that you just cannot do without, you may want to look at some professional services. regards, Sharukh. > > > On 1/30/07, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > > >On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Lokeey wrote: > > > >> i was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to recover data from a > >hard > >> drive? i accidentally erased what i thought was unused partition that i > >> think had the boot label now the main partition where all of my linux > >data > >> was on is not able to mount or do anything else for that matter. i just > >want > >> to be able to removed the data from the partition so that i can > >reinstall > >> kubuntu. > >> > >> any ideas? > > > >I'm coming into this thread a little late, but what have you done ? > >deleted the partition entry or formatted the partition ? > > > >anyway take a look here > > > >http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition-Rescue.html > > > >I remember I had some links somewhere but can't find them just now. I'll > >hunt for them and send them if I find any. > > > >hth, > > > >Sharukh -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest. From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 18:19:04 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:19:04 -0500 Subject: Amarok context tab In-Reply-To: <200701311349.17107.nalon@terra.com.br> References: <200701311349.17107.nalon@terra.com.br> Message-ID: <200701311319.19503.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 10:49, José Alexandre Nalon wrote: > Hello, > > I hope this is not too much off-topic, and I am sorry if > this is too basic, but I couldn't find an answer. > > I really like the context tab in Amarok, but every time > I start the program it is gone, and only the music list > is shown. I have to click in the left tab for it to appear > again. When it appears, I have to resize it, as it is too > small. I don't know the answer, but you should post your question on Amarok mailing list Amarok at kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok The developers and users use the same list so the answers are generally authoritative. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wednesday 31 January 2007 12:19, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 10:49, José Alexandre Nalon wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I hope this is not too much off-topic, and I am sorry if > > this is too basic, but I couldn't find an answer. > > > > I really like the context tab in Amarok, but every time > > I start the program it is gone, and only the music list > > is shown. I have to click in the left tab for it to appear > > again. When it appears, I have to resize it, as it is too > > small. > > I don't know the answer, but you should post your question on > Amarok mailing list > Amarok at kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok > The developers and users use the same list so the answers are generally > authoritative. -- ~ Man-Chicken <>< (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer. The number of the beast - vi vi vi From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 31 18:45:06 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:45:06 -0400 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. References: <200701311221.08057.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 11:01, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Recently (after playing with Special Window Settings and Special >> Application Settings in Wine, to make Quicken's pop-up windows work), >> every single pop-up window produced in KDE is coming up full screen. >> >> So: password prompts from kdesu, file choosers, configure windows, etc, >> etc, etc. > > Yeah. It's a kwin feature that sounds good but isn't. > >> >> So I went back to the "Configure Window Behaviour" options (right click >> on a title bar) and deleted any application settings, and still >> everything pops up maximized. >> >> Does anybody have a clue what I've done? > > No. When I reset it, it stopped. Damn, I hate that :-) What, exactly did you reset? In the end I just deleted all of the ~/.kde/share/config/kwin* files (OK, I actually moved them elsewhere, in case of problems), which did resolve it. One of these days I'll just get rid of Quicken... -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 19:58:46 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:58:46 +0200 Subject: All pop-up windows are full screen. In-Reply-To: References: <200701311221.08057.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701312158.46349.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > In the end I just > deleted all of the ~/.kde/share/config/kwin* files (OK, I actually moved > them elsewhere, in case of problems), which did resolve it. Glad it worked out. /d From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 31 20:22:33 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:22:33 -0400 Subject: Amarok context tab References: <200701311349.17107.nalon@terra.com.br> <200701311319.19503.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701311248.15551.manchicken@notsosoft.net> Message-ID: <9da794-3db.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Man-Chicken wrote: > The number of the beast - vi vi vi I love it! :-) -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 20:43:48 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:43:48 -0500 Subject: quicken (was All pop-up windows are full screen.) Message-ID: <200701311543.57935.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:45, Derek Broughton wrote: > One of these days I'll just get rid of Quicken... Have you been able to run it in Ubuntu via wine? I am trying to run turbo tax. If you can run quicken, I should be able to run turbo tax. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 16:31:49 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:31:49 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <45BF6922.6040201@jguk.org> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <5m1494-etl.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <45BF6922.6040201@jguk.org> Message-ID: <200701311131.52166.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:49, Jon Grant wrote: > Typically the sender will be in the To: > field, and the list will be in the CC: field, but it's apparent Ubuntu > mailinglist has been incorrectly configured to set Reply-To, which > prevents that from happening when I hit Reply All. This is an old debate from a time when most lists were low traffic and allowed posting from non-subscribers. Reply All insured the unsubscribed sender got a copy. I may be wrong, but I don't think you can post to this list unless you subscribe, in which case Reply All should never be used. If you don't trust the Repy-to header, use Reply to List (L in kmail; not available when I last used tbird, but that's a tbird problem). -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 16:38:02 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:38:02 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <45BF6922.6040201@jguk.org> Message-ID: <200701311138.04659.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 12:30, Derek Broughton wrote: > > mailinglist has been incorrectly configured to set Reply-To, which > > I don't think so, but I'm not reading via the list. >   Yeah, it is. Your message contained these headers: Reply-to: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Mail-followup-to: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com II disagree that this is an "incorrect" set up. The default reply should be to the list, not the sender, and the Reply-to header insures that it works that way with most mail clients. Mailing lists that require subscription for posting should not be configured rply-to-sender. It defeats the purpose of the list. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 16:45:00 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:45:00 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <726494-q7m.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200701301913.53339.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701311144.52129.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 12:13, Donn wrote: > Firefox 2 the Linux binary from the official site > *does* run on Dapper -- for a while. It crashes. This is my direct > experience; I might be alone in this. I don't know if you are alone, but it works fine for me -- as does OOo 2.1 -- on Dapper. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 16:50:50 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:50:50 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701302055.40196.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701311150.56341.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 14:23, Derek Broughton wrote: > I'm not sure any significant > distro still works from tarballs I think slackware still does ,,. I guess it depends on what you mean by significant. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. 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In-Reply-To: <20070130220919.M88521@littlefish.ca> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <20070130220919.M88521@littlefish.ca> Message-ID: <200701311157.38456.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 18:06, Scott Mazur wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:23:39 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote > > > No, I mean that it used to be that the rpm-based distros all used rpmfind > > and tended to grab their rpms from anywhere, and the non-rpm, non-debian > > distros _always_ used to work from tarballs. Now the rpm-based > > distros are moving more and more towards apt, and even the big all- > > source distro, gentoo, has package management, and while I'm not > > sure any significant distro still works from tarballs, every app > > developer still produces them and almost all the users know what to > > do with them. > > Now that sounds like a boat load of crap that could only come from someone > who's never lived outside the debian world. > > First of all it's never been true that rpm-based distros all used rpmfind. > Rpmfind is a place of last resort to 'maybe' get an application that your > 'rpm-based' distro never provided and there was no other way to get it. If > you were lucky you might find an rpmfind version that was built > specifically for your distro, and even then installing could very well lead > into a long trip into dependency hell. I never used Fedora, or RedHat 8 or 9. However, I started with Red Hat 5.2, then 6.2, then 7.1, 7.2, 7.3. Yum didn't exist for them until the fedora project "backported" it. I used rpmfind.net to find what I needed and command line rpm much like I use dpkg now, the difference being that I only use dpkg for files not on repositories; with RH 5-7, that was my only choice (there was a gui wrapper, like adept for apt, but I prefer the command line when the options are decipherable and memorable). -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:02:37 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:02:37 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701300921.59012.art.alexion@verizon.net> <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701311202.31736.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 09:26, Angus Prune wrote: > On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: > > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > > > > > > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in > > > the fields. > > > > Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. > > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the reply-to > field... Thanks for pointing this out. I had misconfigured this account with a reply-to that lists apparently add to, rather than supercede. I have removed it. -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:09:18 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:09:18 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <18cdd8230701300626hd31e45ag3e78a35d1f796fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701311209.21651.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 09:35, Derek Broughton wrote: > Angus Prune wrote: > > On 1/30/07, Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 01:53, Donn wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:36, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > > Please don't CC me, it's rude. This is a _list_. > >> > > >> > Didn't do it intentionally. I usually hit 'a' in kmail and it fills in > >> > the fields. > >> > >> Try hitting 'l' (reply to list) instead. > > > > For me, using gmail, your email address is coming up in the reply-to > > field... > > GMail, unfortunately, doesn't handle lists well. That's what I was going to say until I check the header of my message that James replied to and found that he was right, and the message hadn't gone through gmail. I have an account that receives mail through a forwarding scheme such that the pop server that I retrieve from is different from the pop server that hosts the address. I set the account/identity in kmail with a reply-to for that account/identity so that people wouldn't reply to the wrong account. I thought it would be a good idea (though unnecessary) for all accounts. I also incorrectly thought that the list's reply-to header would strip and replace mine. I've since removed it from this account where it is unnecessary. > -- > derek -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:12:05 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:12:05 -0000 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> References: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200701311212.13714.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 14:22, grumpypenguin wrote: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:34, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Earl Violet wrote: > > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > > > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely > > different topic. This was just a natural evolution. > > perhaps he dos not believe in thread evolution ;-) a thread-creationist! -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:13:29 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:13:29 -0000 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> References: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200701311213.32535.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:55, Bry Paula Melvin wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:22 -0700, grumpypenguin wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:34, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Earl Violet wrote: > > > > I AM TIRED OF THIS HYJACKING THE THREAD > > > > > > Sorry, but Hijacking is the use of a thread to post a completely > > > different topic. This was just a natural evolution. > > > > perhaps he dos not believe in thread evolution ;-) > > > > > -- > > > derek > > does this mean we have to use "thread Intelligent Design" I think we have enough trouble with unintelligent threading... -- _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:25:43 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:25:43 -0000 Subject: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: <200701301017.19646.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <45B9D88E.9040602@gmail.com> <200701300918.11943.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200701301017.19646.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200701311217.04844.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:17, Gene Heskett wrote: >  Here on this list for instance, using the reply to sender > button, which should be a private reply, actually sets it to the list > only. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 15:25:58 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:25:58 -0000 Subject: ETIQUETTE WAS --- Re: KDE 3.5.6 released w Kubuntu packages In-Reply-To: References: <200701301222.14084.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <1170212128.29244.3.camel@localhost> <200701302031.37176.grumpypenguin@qwest.net> <880dece00701310407y1c5eb5ecvc600c88f1897f5eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00701310725x23d23770u7545a2637ce725ad@mail.gmail.com> On 31/01/07, Lokeey wrote: > are you friggin kidding me?!?!?!?! HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE went over 50 > posts/replies!!!! > > maybe they should attach a link to a "HOWTO" unsubscribe. hahahahhah!!! > nothing but comedy. > It's actually one of the best linux mailing lists I've been subscribed to: very helpful people. But they go off topic fast. And threads never die. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/how_can_i_be_safe_online.html http://lishon.com