From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 1 02:24:16 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:24:16 -0400 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 In-Reply-To: <200708311208.45384.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200708311208.45384.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <46D8CD50.8080102@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 31 August 2007, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > >> Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list >> kubuntu-users >> >> We have received a request for the removal of your email address, >> "bmarsh at bmarsh.com" from the kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com mailing >> list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, >> simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. 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Frank Arnold Steven Vollom wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Steven Vollom > *To:* Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 10:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 > > Steven Vollom wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> On Friday 31 August 2007, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >>> >>>> Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> We have received a request for the removal of your email address, >>>> "bmarsh at bmarsh.com" from the kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com mailing >>>> list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, >>>> simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. 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If you think you are being maliciously >>>> removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to >>>> kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 1 03:45:02 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:45:02 -0400 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 31 August 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > Hi there! does anyone know Rosegarden (midi editor for KDE)? I've heard of it. http://www.linux.com/articles/59775 > System timer resolution is too low You've gotten good advise so far. Change out your kernel for the one in Ubuntu Studio. That's what I'm using (a quasi Kubuntu Studio) with good success. I did this install as Ubuntu Studio from DVD with "kubuntu-desktop" tacked on, but it should work just as well in the other direction. -- D. Michael McIntyre From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Sep 1 05:02:32 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:02:32 +0300 Subject: Scribus Apt-Key Problem In-Reply-To: <20070831234614.090cdea0@graham-desktop> References: <20070831234614.090cdea0@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <46D8F268.9080001@rmk.co.il> Graham wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I've added the > Scribus repos (that its web page says is the correct ones for Kubuntu) > to my sources.list file. I've downloaded the correct GPG key on that > page (0xEEF818CF) and added it by apt-key (which showed OK to say it > had been added). > > When I run > > sudo apt-get update > > I get the following error: > > Reading package lists... Done > W: GPG error: http://debian.scribus.net feisty Release: The following > signatures were invalid: BADSIG 5BC4CFB8EEF818CF Scribus Debian Archive > Signing Key > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > > Is anyone else experiencing the same problem? > > If not, where do I get the correct key with a good sig? > > - -- > > Graham > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy > > iD8DBQFG2Jo2k/lTyNG98YcRAodLAJwMUiFHT/qIsZZCyyhnCl0Hv/GPcACgnKIm > 4vsFgg1efxiYcdAuo9/Ky1I= > =mM4D > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I just got the same problem and have had the same repo in my sources.list for ages - have sent an email to the Scribus mailing list.......... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From ancient.rocker at googlemail.com Sat Sep 1 05:34:21 2007 From: ancient.rocker at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 06:34:21 +0100 Subject: Scribus Apt-Key Problem In-Reply-To: <46D8F268.9080001@rmk.co.il> References: <20070831234614.090cdea0@graham-desktop> <46D8F268.9080001@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <20070901063421.1115727c@graham-desktop> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:02:32 +0300 Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just got the same problem and have had the same repo in my > sources.list for ages > - have sent an email to the Scribus mailing list.......... > > Blessings, > > Nigel Thanks. Good to know its not my system at fault, anyway :) And thanks for referring to to Scribus mailing list. -- Graham From sergelinux at free.fr Sat Sep 1 07:07:26 2007 From: sergelinux at free.fr (Serge) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:07:26 +0200 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 In-Reply-To: <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> References: <001301c7ec40$61fcd490$94f9d545@studio25> <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> Message-ID: <200709010907.27128.sergelinux@free.fr> On Saturday 01 September 2007 05:43:05 Frank Arnold wrote: > I do not understandd why I aam getting these emails. > I DO NOT wish to unsubscribe from this list. > Frank Arnold > > Steven Vollom wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Steven Vollom > > *To:* Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > > > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 10:27 PM > > *Subject:* Re: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 > > > > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Bruce Marshall wrote: > >>> On Friday 31 August 2007, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > >>>> Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list > >>>> kubuntu-users > >>>> > >>>> We have received a request for the removal of your email address, > >>>> "bmarsh at bmarsh.com" from the kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >>>> mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this > >>>> mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: > >>>> header intact. Or visit this web page: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/kubuntu-users/2bd7a2b5570261f > >>>>8e2cc 8811afe0dd303d07dca8 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in > >>>> a message to kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com: > >>>> > >>>> confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 > >>>> > >>>> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work > >>>> from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in > >>>> the right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). > >>>> > >>>> If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply > >>>> disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously > >>>> removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to > >>>> kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users I have recieved the same message to. From ansari.farid at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 07:52:42 2007 From: ansari.farid at gmail.com (Farid Ansari) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:52:42 +0500 Subject: Sound problem Message-ID: <27b81ea70709010052n379a2222y340d3a105a4032b@mail.gmail.com> The sound has stopped working on my Kubuntu 7.04. It does not recognise the Creative sound card on PCI slot although on another hard disk this works fine with Ubuntu 7.04. Please someone advise how to get this sound card working instead of the built-in sound on the Intel motherboard. My system is P IV, 3.0 Ghz, 1024 ddr. Thanks & Regards, Farid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulvarjak at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 08:59:49 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:59:49 +0200 Subject: SOLVED: nulock ON before logging in Message-ID: <5e33e3860709010159s419c9f48ve8a12f69c079b541@mail.gmail.com> Finally I solved it as follows: sudo apt-get install numlockx Edit the file /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup adding: # Activate numlock before log in if [ -x /usr/bin/numlockx ]; then /usr/bin/numlockx on fi The problem is that (I think) this change can be lost when updating kde or Xserver, but I'm not sure. Thanks to everybody for the help. Paul. From wheelscribe at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 09:46:35 2007 From: wheelscribe at gmail.com (ben miller) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 04:46:35 -0500 Subject: Amarok/xine drivers problems Message-ID: <200709010446.35863.wheelscribe@gmail.com> Amarok won't recognize my xine drivers. Any time I try to play anything I get the message 'xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.' Xine is installed I can can play any type of audio file through xmms or rythmbox without problem. I've tried deleting amarok preferences and reinstalling xine but all to no avail. Any insights are much appreciated. thanks, ben From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 1 13:08:08 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:08:08 -0500 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 In-Reply-To: <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> References: <200708311208.45384.bmarsh@bmarsh.com><46D8CD50.8080102@sbcglobal.net> <46D8CE2E.9020808@sbcglobal.net> <001301c7ec40$61fcd490$94f9d545@studio25> <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> Message-ID: <46D96438.6050305@swbell.net> On 08/31/2007 Frank Arnold wrote: > I do not understandd why I aam getting these emails. > I DO NOT wish to unsubscribe from this list. > Frank Arnold It appears that bmarsh at marsh.com asked to leave the list. For some reason the list settings appear to be set to send a notification to the whole list. If your not bmarsh just ignore. If you are bmarsh and wish to leave follow the instructions. If you don't wish to leave the list don't follow the instructions. No need to reply with quotation to the list. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sat Sep 1 14:11:25 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:11:25 +0100 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:33:17 +0200 "O. Sinclair" wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > I have installed many programs using adept and I have never been asked > > for the CD/DVD. Is this something that is new to Feisty? I thought that > > adept always installed via the internet and never needed the CD. > > > > I would be interested to know, thanks > Just sudo edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment off the lines that > start with "deb cdrom..." and the problem is gone > > Sinclair I tried that and got an error message:- unknown mime type for sources.list and I was not allowed to continue with the edit. I haven't come across this before. Is there something I can do to sort this please? Neil Winchurst From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 14:41:37 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:41:37 +0200 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> > I tried that and got an error message:- > > unknown mime type for sources.list Sounds like you tried to edit the file through a gui by double clicking it. Best to open it from a command line like so: sudo kedit /etc/sources.list or, just learn vi, sudo vi /etc/sources.list hth, /d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 1 14:53:06 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:53:06 -0400 Subject: Sound problem In-Reply-To: <27b81ea70709010052n379a2222y340d3a105a4032b@mail.gmail.com> References: <27b81ea70709010052n379a2222y340d3a105a4032b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709011053.06878.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 01 September 2007, Farid Ansari wrote: > The sound has stopped working on my Kubuntu 7.04. It does not recognise the > Creative sound card on PCI slot although on another hard disk this works > fine with Ubuntu 7.04. > Please someone advise how to get this sound card working instead of the > built-in sound on the Intel motherboard. I would expect it to recognize and make use of both. Are you sure it isn't doing that? I've never found any rhyme or reason to which card ends up hw:0 and which hw:1, so the only way I know to guarantee that something will be hw:0 is to make it the only card on the system. In your case, you can probably accomplish that by going into your BIOS configuration, and disabling the built-in Intel sound chip. That will leave just the one for the auto configuration scripts to find and load a driver for, and it will end up as hw:0, where everything expects to find it. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 1 14:54:29 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:54:29 -0400 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709011054.29377.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 31 August 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > You've gotten good advise so far. Change out your kernel for the one in AdviCe. I can't espeek my own langweej. -- D. Michael McIntyre From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Sep 1 15:10:37 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:10:37 +0200 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 In-Reply-To: <46D96438.6050305@swbell.net> References: <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> <46D96438.6050305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709011710.37959.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 01 September 2007 15:08, Billie Walsh wrote: (snip) > It appears that bmarsh at marsh.com asked to leave the list. For some > reason the list settings appear to be set to send a notification to the > whole list. (snip) I really doubt the settings are so, more simply bmarsh just sent his confirmation to kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com instead of replying to kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #278: The Dilithium Crystals need to be rotated From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sat Sep 1 15:18:14 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:18:14 +0100 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:41:37 +0200 Donn wrote: > > > I tried that and got an error message:- > > > > unknown mime type for sources.list > > Sounds like you tried to edit the file through a gui by double clicking > it. Best to open it from a command line like so: > sudo kedit /etc/sources.list > > or, just learn vi, sudo vi /etc/sources.list > > hth, > /d > Not at all, I opened a terminal screen and typed in the command there. I was brought up with DOS so I am used to typing in commands. I have never had any problems with editing text files before. I tried your suggestion and got quite a response. X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server. kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session. Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0 DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-5601' to 'kded' kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed. So it didn't like that one bit. Neil Winchurst From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 1 15:19:52 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:19:52 -0400 Subject: Sound problem In-Reply-To: <200709011053.06878.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <27b81ea70709010052n379a2222y340d3a105a4032b@mail.gmail.com> <200709011053.06878.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46D98318.9030504@sbcglobal.net> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 01 September 2007, Farid Ansari wrote: > > >> The sound has stopped working on my Kubuntu 7.04. It does not recognise the >> Creative sound card on PCI slot although on another hard disk this works >> fine with Ubuntu 7.04. >> Please someone advise how to get this sound card working instead of the >> built-in sound on the Intel motherboard. >> > > I would expect it to recognize and make use of both. Are you sure it isn't > doing that? > > I've never found any rhyme or reason to which card ends up hw:0 and which > hw:1, so the only way I know to guarantee that something will be hw:0 is to > make it the only card on the system. In your case, you can probably > accomplish that by going into your BIOS configuration, and disabling the > built-in Intel sound chip. That will leave just the one for the auto > configuration scripts to find and load a driver for, and it will end up as > hw:0, where everything expects to find it. > I am not terrible experienced, so just take this as a possibility and something to look into. Having had similar problems in the past, I found the solution in turning off or removing the offending extra hardware. In the case of built-in sound, you should be able to disable the onboard sound. When you do that, your add-on card should take over. If not, it is probably an installation or driver problem. If you can't find an approved alternate driver, try different drivers for other of your soundcard type. Somehow when the problem has occurred, I have been able to solve the problem using this technique. Like I said, I am not very knowledgeable, but I had sound problems, and now my sound works even better than when it was supporting the XP OS. Hope it helps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 15:22:55 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:22:55 +0200 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <46D983CF.1090808@gmail.com> Oops - Try: kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list Sorry. /d From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Sep 1 15:36:16 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:36:16 +0200 Subject: Archives for this list Message-ID: <200709011736.16115.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Hi, I couldn't find a link to the archives. Can some help or confirm that the old mails are irretrievably lost? Thanks Perry -- BOFH excuse #315: The recent proliferation of Nuclear Testing From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Sep 1 15:49:29 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:49:29 +0100 Subject: Archives for this list In-Reply-To: <200709011736.16115.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200709011736.16115.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <46D98A09.9040600@tiscali.co.uk> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Hi, > > I couldn't find a link to the archives. > Can some help or confirm that the old mails are irretrievably lost? > > Thanks Perry > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sat Sep 1 15:52:18 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:52:18 +0100 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <46D983CF.1090808@gmail.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D983CF.1090808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070901165218.160d9592.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:22:55 +0200 Donn wrote: > Oops - > Try: > kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list > > Sorry. > /d > > -- OK. Tried that. Had some error messages again ..... X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device kbuildsycoca running... but it did open up the file. I am trying this on my computer at home and it is my brother's computer which needs the editing of this file, so I can't test it properly. I will try again when I go over there. Meanwhile, I still don't understand my original message about mime type. Very strange. Neil Winchurst From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 15:57:54 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:57:54 +0200 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <20070901165218.160d9592.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D983CF.1090808@gmail.com> <20070901165218.160d9592.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <46D98C02.3040606@gmail.com> > Meanwhile, I still don't understand my original message about mime > type. Very strange. As far as I grok, the mime type is a fancy way of saying "the file extension type". So, your system is saying "WTF is this file and what do I open it with?" :) If you peel open kcontrol, you can find a place to associate apps with filestypes (mime types) and then you could associate the .list file with kedit, but that's overkill. /d From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Sep 1 15:39:23 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:39:23 -0300 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 References: <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> <46D96438.6050305@swbell.net> <200709011710.37959.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Saturday 01 September 2007 15:08, Billie Walsh wrote: > (snip) >> It appears that bmarsh at marsh.com asked to leave the list. For some >> reason the list settings appear to be set to send a notification to the >> whole list. > (snip) > > I really doubt the settings are so, more simply bmarsh just sent his > confirmation to kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com instead of replying to > kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com. > That was my guess, too, but most Mailman is actually capable of intercepting obvious subscribe/unsubscribe requests (and confirmations thereof) so one would hope that this list would do the same... Mr. Vollom's (not likely his real name) reposting of the original messages appear to be purely malicious. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Sep 1 15:41:03 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:41:03 -0300 Subject: Rosegarden References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709011054.29377.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 31 August 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> You've gotten good advise so far. Change out your kernel for the one in > > AdviCe. > > I can't espeek my own langweej. Licence/license, defence/defense - it's close enough :-) -- derek From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Sep 1 16:22:13 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:22:13 +0200 Subject: Archives for this list In-Reply-To: <46D98A09.9040600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200709011736.16115.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <46D98A09.9040600@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709011822.13275.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Wulfy wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I couldn't find a link to the archives. > > Can some help or confirm that the old mails are irretrievably lost? > > > > Thanks Perry > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ > Thanks Wulfy, My apologies, I should have found it, I visited https://lists.ubuntu.com/ and searched there for archives, then I clicked ont the link "kubuntu-users" and decided it was not the right page, but it was here : "visit the kubuntu-users Archives." Perry -- BOFH excuse #238: You did wha... oh _dear_.... From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 1 16:23:36 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:23:36 -0400 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709011223.36693.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 01 September 2007, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I tried your suggestion and got quite a response. The edit command is a symlink that's supposed to provide a sane editor, so this was a reasonable suggestion for the guy to make. However, in this case it seems to be pointing to something unexpected, which is trying to run graphically. You're getting the X server error, because sudo runs the command as root, and root doesn't have access to your display. (You can change that, but let's not get too far away from the subject at hand.) Since you're getting this screwy MIME type nonsense, I would stick with a command line editor like vim, nano, or emacs. I don't think any of them use the old WordStar commands you might be used to from DOS, so it's just a toss-up. Nano is the most approachable for people in a hurry to get something done without sitting down with a book. I use vim. -- D. Michael McIntyre From kassube at gmx.net Sat Sep 1 16:40:40 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:40:40 +0200 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <200709011223.36693.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709011223.36693.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709011840.40822.kassube@gmx.net> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > Since you're getting this screwy MIME type nonsense, I would stick with > a command line editor like vim, nano, or emacs. I don't think any of > them use the old WordStar commands you might be used to from DOS, so > it's just a toss-up. Nano is the most approachable for people in a > hurry to get something done without sitting down with a book. I use > vim. If you are familiar with WordStar (or the DOS command edit), install package joe. It includes various versions with individual key bindings. You should start jstar if you want WordStar key bindings. Since that great editor exists I never had an incentive to learn vi or emacs. Nils From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 17:15:38 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:15:38 -0400 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 In-Reply-To: References: <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> <46D96438.6050305@swbell.net> <200709011710.37959.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709011015t67c07919v2fcfe34d0a6b4cdf@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/07, Derek Broughton wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > > On Saturday 01 September 2007 15:08, Billie Walsh wrote: > > (snip) > >> It appears that bmarsh at marsh.com asked to leave the list. For some > >> reason the list settings appear to be set to send a notification to the > >> whole list. > > (snip) > > > > I really doubt the settings are so, more simply bmarsh just sent his > > confirmation to kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com instead of replying to > > kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com. > > > That was my guess, too, but most Mailman is actually capable of intercepting > obvious subscribe/unsubscribe requests (and confirmations thereof) so one > would hope that this list would do the same... > > Mr. Vollom's (not likely his real name) reposting of the original messages > appear to be purely malicious. > -- > derek ... I think Mr. Vollom's (likely his real name) reposting of the original messages appear to be pure confusion rather than "purely malicious". Steven Vollom is a member of this list and I highly doubt that he would send out emails to be purely "malicious". Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Sep 1 17:23:49 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:23:49 +0200 Subject: Boot video problem In-Reply-To: <46D8A81F.3040109@gmail.com> References: <46D8A81F.3040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709011923.50525.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 01 September 2007 01:45, Stew Schneider wrote: > I post this periodically, hoping somebody might have come across it. So, > here goes, again. > > I'm running Feisty. If I turn the machine off, then restart it, the > video shows the Gateway splash screen, then "Kubuntu" with the blue > progress bar, but a wide vertical bar on the right side that I can clear > by hitting Auto on the LCD. Looks like a video problem to me. > > Booting proceeds, and I get a wristwatch for a mouse cursor, then an > arrow. The arrow then freezes, a white square appears in the center of > the screen, and that's that for booting. What do you mean, in your previous post (Jul 25) you mentionned a black screen? Could a video problem freeze the computer? If not you should be able to get some noticeable reaction (disk activity) from the computer with keyboard shortcuts, try ctr-alt + or ctrl-alt - for screen resolution, or crtl-alt bksp to kill x server, or alt F2 and a command. What happens when you boot in text mode? Have you tried another monitor or that monitor on another computer (or another systemif available)? > > If, on the other hand, I put in ANY live CD (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Knoppix -- > doesn't seem to matter), and choose Boot from First Harddrive, I'm good > to go. Video is normal and I get to the login screen just fine. I can't explain that. I thought a "CD boot from First Harddrive" would only provide its bootloader, then take all settings from hard drive. (Maybe I'm wrong) You probably have tried succesive reboots without the CD and got consistent results, haven't you? > > So, the put-in-a-liveCD workaround works around the problem, but that's > a dorky way to fix it. Anybody have any idea what's going on? > > stew Hi Stew, Im not a specialist, I only hope my questions would help clarify if the problem is with the video or something else. It could be in the greeting page of Kubuntu (KMenu/SystemSettings/(advanced tab) Connexion Manager) and I would try to change something there and save, just to see, and also play with screen resolutions. It doesn't make sense to me why you can boot with the CD'help but when I have a problem on my machine I often solve it by trying almost everything. Perry P.S. I swear the BOFH excuse below was randomly selected, but I am amazed how often it seems related to the mail's subject. -- BOFH excuse #161: monitor VLF leakage From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sat Sep 1 18:13:25 2007 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:13:25 +0200 Subject: rsync daily image Message-ID: <200709012013.25327.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hi, I want to use rsync (to save some traffic) to test a daily build of kubuntu. What is wrong with the following; rsync -avP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso /media/hda2/isoKubuntu/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso @ERROR: Unknown module 'kubuntu' rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9] Thx Karl _________________________________ Have a look at www.kubuntu.org From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Sep 1 18:19:45 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:19:45 -0300 Subject: confirm 2bd7a2b5570261f8e2cc8811afe0dd303d07dca8 References: <46D8DFC9.40204@svpal.org> <46D96438.6050305@swbell.net> <200709011710.37959.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <9bed467e0709011015t67c07919v2fcfe34d0a6b4cdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13noq4-nbj.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On 9/1/07, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Mr. Vollom's (not likely his real name) reposting of the original >> messages appear to be purely malicious. > > ... I think Mr. Vollom's (likely his real name) reposting of the > original messages appear to be pure confusion rather than "purely > malicious". Steven Vollom is a member of this list and I highly doubt > that he would send out emails to be purely "malicious". That was the point of "not likely his real name". The real "Steven Vollom" probably wouldn't, but I tend to suspect _any_ multiple reposting of the same message without new content as malicious, if it can't be demonstrated to merely be from some complete newbie. -- derek From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Sep 1 20:02:23 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:02:23 +0100 Subject: rsync daily image In-Reply-To: <200709012013.25327.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200709012013.25327.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200709012102.23269.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Saturday 01 September 2007 19:13:25 Karl wrote: > Hi, > > I want to use rsync (to save some traffic) to test a daily build of > kubuntu. What is wrong with the following; > > rsync -avP > rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-i386.is >o /media/hda2/isoKubuntu/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso @ERROR: Unknown module > 'kubuntu' > rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) > [receiver=2.6.9] It should be rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/... From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 1 20:22:44 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:22:44 -0400 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <20070901165218.160d9592.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D983CF.1090808@gmail.com> <20070901165218.160d9592.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709011622.44203.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 01 September 2007, Neil Winchurst wrote: > OK. Tried that. Had some error messages again ..... > > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 > Major opcode: 144 This is Ubuntu stupidity. The default xorg.conf file has lines for a Wacom tablet, and if you don't have a Wacom tablet, you get these errors every time you run any X application. Your ~/.xsession-errors can swell to monumental proportions if you don't keep an eye on it. The solution is to edit that crap out of xorg.conf, but I won't get into that, as it has been discussed to death already, and instructions should be readily googleable. -- D. Michael McIntyre From macariov at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 01:42:18 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (Macario Valle) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:42:18 -0400 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <200709011622.44203.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D983CF.1090808@gmail.com> <20070901165218.160d9592.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709011622.44203.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1188697338.2494.8.camel@mvalle.valle> I really did not like this "feature" as well. Not knowing enough xorg configuration, and not having enough time to learn, i installed OpenSuse on a different partition. I, then, Backed uo my Kubuntu xorg.conf and replaced it with the one from OpenSuse. Needless to say, all those unwanted features are a thing of the past for me now. On Sat, 2007-09-01 at 16:22 -0400, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 01 September 2007, Neil Winchurst wrote: > > OK. Tried that. Had some error messages again ..... > > > > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 > > Major opcode: 144 > > This is Ubuntu stupidity. The default xorg.conf file has lines for a Wacom > tablet, and if you don't have a Wacom tablet, you get these errors every time > you run any X application. Your ~/.xsession-errors can swell to monumental > proportions if you don't keep an eye on it. > > The solution is to edit that crap out of xorg.conf, but I won't get into that, > as it has been discussed to death already, and instructions should be readily > googleable. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:00:30 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:00:30 +0300 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support Message-ID: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> Got this message when opening K3B: Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin not found. K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin. This means that you will not be able to create Audio CDs from Mp3 files. Many Linux distributions do not include Mp3 support for legal reasons. פתרון: To enable Mp3 support, please install the MAD Mp3 decoding library as well as the K3b MAD Mp3 decoder plugin (the latter may already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad). Some distributions allow installation of Mp3 support via an online update tool (i.e. SuSE's YOU). So, how do I fix this? I can play mp3 files with mplayer. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- אבגדהוזחטיךכלםמןנסעףפץצקרשת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Sep 2 10:10:11 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:10:11 +0100 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support In-Reply-To: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709021110.11608.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 02 September 2007 11:00:30 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Got this message when opening K3B: > > Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin not found. > K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin. This means that you > will not be able to create Audio CDs from Mp3 files. Many Linux > distributions do not include Mp3 support for legal reasons. > To enable Mp3 support, please install the MAD Mp3 decoding > library as well as the K3b MAD Mp3 decoder plugin (the latter may > already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad). > Some distributions allow installation of Mp3 support via an online > update tool (i.e. SuSE's YOU). > > So, how do I fix this? I can play mp3 files with mplayer. Thanks. IIRC you need to install libmad. Either use the Adept Manager or type sudo apt-get install libmad0 from Konsole From joantur at cancullet.org Sun Sep 2 10:32:20 2007 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:32:20 +0200 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support In-Reply-To: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709021232.22384.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Diumenge, 2 de Setembre de 2007, en Dotan Cohen va escriure: | Got this message when opening K3B: | | Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin not found. | K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin. This means that you | will not be able to create Audio CDs from Mp3 files. Many Linux | distributions do not include Mp3 support for legal reasons. | פתרון: To enable Mp3 support, please install the MAD Mp3 decoding | library as well as the K3b MAD Mp3 decoder plugin (the latter may | already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad). | Some distributions allow installation of Mp3 support via an online | update tool (i.e. SuSE's YOU). | | So, how do I fix this? I can play mp3 files with mplayer. Thanks. I've got mp3 support under k3b through the libk3b2-mp3 package: quini at quinilg:/$ aptitude search k3b i k3b - A sophisticated KDE CD burning application - Medibuntu packag p k3b-i18n - Internationalized (i18n) files for k3b p libk3b-dev - The KDE cd burning application library - development files - i libk3b2 - The KDE cd burning application library - runtime files - Medi i libk3b2-mp3 - The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder - Medibu It seems to be in the medibuntu repository: deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ feisty free non-free -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 11:14:53 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:14:53 +0300 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support In-Reply-To: <200709021110.11608.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> <200709021110.11608.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00709020414y44adfd5cub4b83ea2d2240e5b@mail.gmail.com> On 02/09/07, Mark Fraser wrote: > On Sunday 02 September 2007 11:00:30 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Got this message when opening K3B: > > > > Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin not found. > > K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin. This means that you > > will not be able to create Audio CDs from Mp3 files. Many Linux > > distributions do not include Mp3 support for legal reasons. > > To enable Mp3 support, please install the MAD Mp3 decoding > > library as well as the K3b MAD Mp3 decoder plugin (the latter may > > already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad). > > Some distributions allow installation of Mp3 support via an online > > update tool (i.e. SuSE's YOU). > > > > So, how do I fix this? I can play mp3 files with mplayer. Thanks. > > IIRC you need to install libmad. Either use the Adept Manager or type > sudo apt-get install libmad0 > from Konsole > I already have libmad. Might K3B not see it? ubuntu at ubuntu-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install libmad0 Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libmad0 is already the newest version. libmad0 set to manual installed. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. ubuntu at ubuntu-laptop:~$ Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- אבגדהוזחטיךכלםמןנסעףפץצקרשת From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Sep 2 12:12:31 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:12:31 +0100 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support In-Reply-To: <880dece00709020414y44adfd5cub4b83ea2d2240e5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> <200709021110.11608.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00709020414y44adfd5cub4b83ea2d2240e5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709021312.31978.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 02 Sep 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 02/09/07, Mark Fraser wrote: > > I already have libmad. Might K3B not see it? > > ubuntu at ubuntu-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install libmad0 > Password: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > libmad0 is already the newest version. > libmad0 set to manual installed. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. > ubuntu at ubuntu-laptop:~$ > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- Dotan, I think I had this one too. Looking back through my history file, I seem to have issued the command sudo apt-get install madcodec at some time. Can't remember where I found it, but maybe it will sort you out? Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 13:09:34 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:09:34 +0300 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support In-Reply-To: <200709021232.22384.joantur@cancullet.org> References: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> <200709021232.22384.joantur@cancullet.org> Message-ID: <880dece00709020609j38bd5c3co3ed6fdaf97ea0fe3@mail.gmail.com> On 02/09/07, Joan Tur wrote: > I've got mp3 support under k3b through the libk3b2-mp3 package: > > quini at quinilg:/$ aptitude search k3b > i k3b - A sophisticated KDE > CD burning application - Medibuntu packag > p k3b-i18n - Internationalized > (i18n) files for k3b > p libk3b-dev - The KDE cd burning > application library - development files - > i libk3b2 - The KDE cd burning > application library - runtime files - Medi > i libk3b2-mp3 - The KDE cd burning > application library - MP3 decoder - Medibu > > > It seems to be in the medibuntu repository: > > deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ feisty free non-free > Installing libk3b2-mp3 worked. Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- אבגדהוזחטיךכלםמןנסעףפץצקרשת From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 2 14:11:10 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:11:10 -0500 Subject: Repo's Message-ID: <46DAC47E.10007@swbell.net> First: I have been using OpenSuSE almost exclusively for to years. I decided I wanted to see what all the fuss over Ubuntu was about. Not liking Gnome, for whatever reason, I decided on Kubuntu. I've been using it exclusively for about a month, and have only broken it once [ knock on wood ]. Pretty much a record for me on a new OS. Second: I'm not much for CLI. I know that may upset many of the purists in the Linux Community, but oh well. I'm not a "guru" or a "geek". I'm NOT a power user. I don't particularly like to install from source. For some reason "tar balls" don't seem to like me very well. I AM probably the quintessential home user. So if I can get by on a day to day basis with Linux then anyone can. Third: In OpenSuSE they have a list of repos that have things that aren't included in the release. Some of the things that Linux users aren't supposed to be able to use [ BS ]. The listing isn't easy to find, but it's there. Now: Are there such repos for Kubuntu? Is there such a listing for Kubuntu? Reasoning and methodology: Yesterday I sort of bumped into the same thing that someone else has asked about. The MAD-MP3 thing for K3B. It wasn't something that I needed for what I was doing at the time but is something I may need in the future. I have a project that I started a couple years ago copying my old vinyl and burning them onto CD's. It isn't a priority project so it's been slow going. I first went to Adept. There are some MP3 packages available but they don't specify if they are the "MAD-MP3" packages. From the description given I would think they are, or at least provide the same functionality. In one of the posts a CLI command was given [ sudo apt-get.... ] that returned a package not found. Next I went to my best friend on the web, Google. Found the home page for MAD, or at least what looked like the home page. Found a source download. *<[:oP Searched through the Kubuntu page and didn't find much. Looked through some of the KDE pages and still nothing. I have managed to get just about everything functioning. A little time digging around in Adept found most everything pretty quick. I stumbled into the medibuntu site and that helped tremendously. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 14:53:29 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:53:29 -0400 Subject: Repo's In-Reply-To: <46DAC47E.10007@swbell.net> References: <46DAC47E.10007@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709020753r2ef09390x62e7b0f7a804aa45@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > First: > > I have been using OpenSuSE almost exclusively for to years. I decided I > wanted to see what all the fuss over Ubuntu was about. Not liking Gnome, > for whatever reason, I decided on Kubuntu. I've been using it > exclusively for about a month, and have only broken it once [ knock on > wood ]. Pretty much a record for me on a new OS. Congratulations! Your track record is already better than mine. ; ) > Second: > > I'm not much for CLI. I know that may upset many of the purists in the > Linux Community, but oh well. I'm not a "guru" or a "geek". I'm NOT a > power user. I don't particularly like to install from source. For some > reason "tar balls" don't seem to like me very well. I AM probably the > quintessential home user. So if I can get by on a day to day basis with > Linux then anyone can. That's understandable. I have always been interested in mastering the command line, but I realize that others aren't. There are a lot of people who get by without the command line, but it may be good to know how to use the command to install things ("sudo apt-get install [name of package]"). You can use adept if you really want to, but, in this case, I find that the command line way is much simpler and quicker. > Third: > In OpenSuSE they have a list of repos that have things that aren't > included in the release. Some of the things that Linux users aren't > supposed to be able to use [ BS ]. The listing isn't easy to find, but > it's there. > > Now: > > Are there such repos for Kubuntu? > > Is there such a listing for Kubuntu? I can up you one. This website has a huge sources.list file. Before you use it, though, you should know that it really isn't necessary (see bottom of post). http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/ If you decide to use it for some reason, you can just copy and paste the contents of that file into your own file at /etc/apt/sources.list. Make sure you edit the file as root (so you can save the changes). > Reasoning and methodology: > > Yesterday I sort of bumped into the same thing that someone else has > asked about. The MAD-MP3 thing for K3B. It wasn't something that I > needed for what I was doing at the time but is something I may need in > the future. I have a project that I started a couple years ago copying > my old vinyl and burning them onto CD's. It isn't a priority project so > it's been slow going. > > I first went to Adept. There are some MP3 packages available but they > don't specify if they are the "MAD-MP3" packages. From the description > given I would think they are, or at least provide the same > functionality. In one of the posts a CLI command was given [ sudo > apt-get.... ] that returned a package not found. Next I went to my best > friend on the web, Google. Found the home page for MAD, or at least what > looked like the home page. Found a source download. *<[:oP Searched > through the Kubuntu page and didn't find much. Looked through some of > the KDE pages and still nothing. I believe that the answer to the mad-mp3 problem was to install libk3b2-mp3. sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 This is probably one of the times that the command line might be more useful. > I have managed to get just about everything functioning. A little time > digging around in Adept found most everything pretty quick. I stumbled > into the medibuntu site and that helped tremendously. Realistically, there aren't a whole lot of things to install. If you are using medibuntu, you should be covered. Although, you should know that it has been found that medibuntu (and automatix) may damage the system when upgrading the distro (which you will probably be doing in a couple of months). A safer way to get everything you need is to visit this link on the Ubuntu website: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats You can use the sources.list file from Treveno's blog if you would like, but I don't really see the point. I think it may end up being more work than its worth. Also, if I ever have a problem with Kubuntu, I always google for "ubuntu [problem/program/topic/etc.]" because most everything that works for a Ubuntu user will work for a Kubuntu user (they're built on the same system). > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 2 15:37:30 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 10:37:30 -0500 Subject: Repo's In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0709020753r2ef09390x62e7b0f7a804aa45@mail.gmail.com> References: <46DAC47E.10007@swbell.net> <9bed467e0709020753r2ef09390x62e7b0f7a804aa45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DAD8BA.3070902@swbell.net> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > > > Congratulations! Your track record is already better than mine. ; ) Well, two years on another distro taught me a lot. I killed off SuSE about two or three times a week when I first started. > > > That's understandable. I have always been interested in mastering the > command line, but I realize that others aren't. There are a lot of > people who get by without the command line, but it may be good to know > how to use the command to install things ("sudo apt-get install [name > of package]"). You can use adept if you really want to, but, in this > case, I find that the command line way is much simpler and quicker. I do use it some. Especially if all I have to do is copy/paste the command in. I'm not real comfortable with the syntax and just worry about killing my system. I'm learning over time. I pay attention to what's posted on the lists. > > > I can up you one. This website has a huge sources.list file. Before > you use it, though, you should know that it really isn't necessary > (see bottom of post). > > http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/ > > If you decide to use it for some reason, you can just copy and paste > the contents of that file into your own file at /etc/apt/sources.list. > Make sure you edit the file as root (so you can save the changes). I'll take a look at it. > > > I believe that the answer to the mad-mp3 problem was to install libk3b2-mp3. > sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 > This is probably one of the times that the command line might be more useful. I got that from one of the posts on the K3B thread. But thanks anyway. > > > Realistically, there aren't a whole lot of things to install. If you > are using medibuntu, you should be covered. Although, you should know > that it has been found that medibuntu (and automatix) may damage the > system when upgrading the distro (which you will probably be doing in > a couple of months). A safer way to get everything you need is to > visit this link on the Ubuntu website: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats I'll take a look at that one to. I'm not real big on grabbing the "latest and greatest". If I upgrade it usually is well into the release of the system. Give some time for the early bugs to get worked out. In SuSE they have a "factory" repo. I learned the hard way about using that repo in Yast, like Adept. Get to much bleeding edge stuff in there and things tend to break. If there is something you just absolutely have to have download it and install from a local directory. Which brings up another question. Is it possible to add a local directory as an install source? I could do it in SuSE. I usually download everything to a "Download" directory. That way everything is where I can find it. > > You can use the sources.list file from Treveno's blog if you would > like, but I don't really see the point. I think it may end up being > more work than its worth. Also, if I ever have a problem with > Kubuntu, I always google for "ubuntu [problem/program/topic/etc.]" > because most everything that works for a Ubuntu user will work for a > Kubuntu user (they're built on the same system). > I'm still learning my way around Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but I like my experience so far. Thank you for your reply. It is greatly appreciated. Aside: Kudos to everyone on the list. The people here are SO much nicer than on another list I'm on. I have yet to see someone reply "RTFM!" to some poor noobs silly question [ much like mine ]. Very much a part of my nice experience. Thank you. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Sep 2 15:44:30 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:44:30 +0300 Subject: Memory question Message-ID: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> I have a six year old Toshiba Satellite that I added an extra 128 MB RAM module to shortly after buying it. Recently the memory (the 128 extra) started to randomly work/not work until it stopped working altogether (the randomness was only apparent during restarts). I want to buy another module - this time 256 MB but am concerned that it might be the slot that's the problem and not the memory module - is that a possibility? I only have one available slot in the laptop so can't check the 128 MB module somewhere else. I really want to get Kubuntu back onto this laptop as Feather Linux (I now only have 64 MB RAM) is not really for me - I got used to all the nice KDE easy_to_work_with_goodies Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 2 16:25:48 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:25:48 -0500 Subject: Memory question In-Reply-To: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> References: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <46DAE40C.50700@swbell.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I have a six year old Toshiba Satellite that I added an extra 128 MB RAM module to > shortly after buying it. Recently the memory (the 128 extra) started to randomly > work/not work until it stopped working altogether (the randomness was only > apparent during restarts). > I want to buy another module - this time 256 MB but am concerned that it might be > the slot that's the problem and not the memory module - is that a possibility? > I only have one available slot in the laptop so can't check the 128 MB module > somewhere else. > > I really want to get Kubuntu back onto this laptop as Feather Linux (I now only > have 64 MB RAM) is not really for me - I got used to all the nice KDE > easy_to_work_with_goodies > > Blessings, > > Nigel > Take the memory module out and use some of that canned air to blow out the socket. If you have a REAL soft, small, paint brush you might try brushing it out also, then blow out again. Put the module back in and see if it helped. I've cured some memory problems this way. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Sep 2 16:28:42 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:28:42 +0200 Subject: Boot video problem In-Reply-To: <46D9FB87.7080403@gmail.com> References: <46D8A81F.3040109@gmail.com> <200709011923.50525.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <46D9FB87.7080403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709021828.42477.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Hi Stew, *Foreword* Contrary to some other people on lists I don't object receiving mail from a list in my name. Remember that writing to the list may increase the odds of getting a valid answer, In any case do report to the list if you find a solution. On Sunday 02 September 2007 01:53, Stew Schneider wrote: > > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > Could a video problem freeze the computer? If not you should be able > > to get some noticeable reaction (disk activity) from the computer with > > keyboard shortcuts, try ctr-alt + or ctrl-alt - for screen resolution, or > > crtl-alt bksp to kill x server, or alt F2 and a command. > > > Nothing for any commands. I'm using a wired USB keyboard. Nothing, no disk activity? Please try something that is sure to cause some disk activity such as : alt F2 oowriter /home/stew/mydocument.odt > > What happens when you boot in text mode? > > Have you tried another monitor or that monitor on another computer (or > > another system if available)? > > > No...it's the only one here. I haven't tried text mode. I didn't see > that in your message before just now. > > > (snip, other mail) > > Hi Stew, (snip) > > Perry > > Well, I checked "log in after X crash, and I got in this time without a > LiveCD assist, but in the midst of booting, the text screen came up, > something that's not happened before, and it began checking one of my > drives. In the course of that, I saw references to wacom go by. I took > the wacom references out of my xorg.conf a very long time ago. > > Oh me... > > stew So it appears the computer freezes at the point it should display the Ubuntu greeting. I doubt the video may be responsible. The only suggestion I can still make at this point is *the magical cure* against corrupt configuration files, namely to rename or best to move "/home.kde" ( kde will create this folder anew). *Warning* you will lose all your personal settings and other important things (address-book, old mails...) but you just have to overwrite the new .kde with your old file to revert if the problem persists. If the problem is cured you may want to restore the old files progressively until the problem reapears and you can identify the corrupt file. good luck Perry -- BOFH excuse #85: Windows 95 undocumented "feature" From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Sep 2 16:49:51 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:49:51 +0300 Subject: Memory question In-Reply-To: <46DAE40C.50700@swbell.net> References: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> <46DAE40C.50700@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46DAE9AF.90804@rmk.co.il> Billie Walsh wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I have a six year old Toshiba Satellite that I added an extra 128 MB RAM module to >> shortly after buying it. Recently the memory (the 128 extra) started to randomly >> work/not work until it stopped working altogether (the randomness was only >> apparent during restarts). >> I want to buy another module - this time 256 MB but am concerned that it might be >> the slot that's the problem and not the memory module - is that a possibility? >> I only have one available slot in the laptop so can't check the 128 MB module >> somewhere else. >> >> I really want to get Kubuntu back onto this laptop as Feather Linux (I now only >> have 64 MB RAM) is not really for me - I got used to all the nice KDE >> easy_to_work_with_goodies >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > > Take the memory module out and use some of that canned air to blow out > the socket. If you have a REAL soft, small, paint brush you might try > brushing it out also, then blow out again. Put the module back in and > see if it helped. > > I've cured some memory problems this way. > Thanks - I already cleaned it (and the module's contacts) with and 'Electronic Cleaning Solvent' ( Servisol AERO KLENE 50) but no joy :-( Thanks anyway. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From stew.schneider at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 17:38:07 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:38:07 -0400 Subject: Boot video problem SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200709021828.42477.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <46D8A81F.3040109@gmail.com> <200709011923.50525.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <46D9FB87.7080403@gmail.com> <200709021828.42477.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <46DAF4FF.9060409@gmail.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Hi Stew, > > *Foreword* > Contrary to some other people on lists I don't object receiving mail from a > list in my name. Remember that writing to the list may increase the odds of > getting a valid answer, In any case do report to the list if you find a > solution. > *Backward* Ooops. I never saw your first posting on the list. It came to me directly, and I thought, for some reason, you objected to responding on-list, so was trying to follow your lead. Sorry. > > On Sunday 02 September 2007 01:53, Stew Schneider wrote: > >>> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >>> Could a video problem freeze the computer? If not you should be able >>> to get some noticeable reaction (disk activity) from the computer with >>> keyboard shortcuts, try ctr-alt + or ctrl-alt - for screen resolution, or >>> crtl-alt bksp to kill x server, or alt F2 and a command. >>> >>> >> Nothing for any commands. I'm using a wired USB keyboard. >> > > Nothing, no disk activity? Please try something that is sure to cause some > disk activity such as : alt F2 oowriter /home/stew/mydocument.odt > Tried quite a few things -- no disk activity at all. On a hunch, though, I edited the boot sequence and removed 'quiet' from it. Kubuntu came up like a charm. Go figger. Many thanks for the help, Perry. stew From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 18:01:24 2007 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:01:24 -0400 Subject: Troubles with KPilot Message-ID: <200709021401.24335.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> I am having rouble trying to link my Z22 pdf with dapper kubuntu. Executing KPilot I get the following log: Version: KPilot 4.6.0 (blivit) Version: pilot-link 0.11.8 Version: KDE 3.5.2 Version: Qt 3.3.6 HotSync Log 13:39:32 Starting the KPilot daemon ... 13:39:32 Daemon status is `not running' 13:39:32 Pilot device /dev/pilot does not exist. Probably it is a USB device and will appear during a HotSync. 13:39:44 Device link ready. 13:39:56 Unable to read system information from Pilot 13:41:06 Changed username to `gie'. 13:41:06 Next HotSync will be: HotSync. Please press the HotSync button. 13:41:20 Trying to open device /dev/pilot... 13:41:20 Device link ready. 13:41:32 Next sync will be a Fast Sync. Please press the HotSync button. 13:41:32 Next HotSync will be: FastSync. Please press the HotSync button. 13:41:52 Unable to read system information from Pilot 13:42:17 Trying to open device /dev/pilot... 13:42:17 Device link ready. 13:42:46 Unable to read system information from Pilot with the progress bar stopped at 30%. I have a suspicion that some daemon is not installed but I have not idea which or what one. Comments greatly appreciated. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Sep 2 18:28:33 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:28:33 +0300 Subject: Troubles with KPilot In-Reply-To: <200709021401.24335.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200709021401.24335.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DB00D1.8040207@rmk.co.il> Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > I am having rouble trying to link my Z22 pdf with dapper kubuntu. > > Executing KPilot I get the following log: > > Version: KPilot 4.6.0 (blivit) > Version: pilot-link 0.11.8 > Version: KDE 3.5.2 > Version: Qt 3.3.6 > > HotSync Log > > 13:39:32 Starting the KPilot daemon ... > 13:39:32 Daemon status is `not running' > 13:39:32 Pilot device /dev/pilot does not exist. Probably it is a USB device > and will appear during a HotSync. > 13:39:44 Device link ready. > 13:39:56 Unable to read system information from Pilot > 13:41:06 Changed username to `gie'. > 13:41:06 Next HotSync will be: HotSync. Please press the HotSync button. > 13:41:20 Trying to open device /dev/pilot... > 13:41:20 Device link ready. > 13:41:32 Next sync will be a Fast Sync. Please press the HotSync button. > 13:41:32 Next HotSync will be: FastSync. Please press the HotSync button. > 13:41:52 Unable to read system information from Pilot > 13:42:17 Trying to open device /dev/pilot... > 13:42:17 Device link ready. > 13:42:46 Unable to read system information from Pilot > > with the progress bar stopped at 30%. > > I have a suspicion that some daemon is not installed but I have not idea which > or what one. > > Comments greatly appreciated. I have a Palm Z22 and to get it to sync I have to first start Kpilot (which complains that "Daemon status is `not running'"); then, from a terminal, run 'kpilotDaemon' (as a normal user - without the quotes); then, when it complains that it can't sync, go to 'Settings' > Configure KPilot > click on 'Device' (left panel) and under 'Pilot Device' change the '/dev/ttyUSB1' to '/dev/ttyUSB2' - click apply - then change it back to '/dev/ttyUSB1' THEN, having previously clicked the 'Sync' icon on my Palm, it will connect :-) What an effort! But it works - sometimes I have to change the device back and forth between '/dev/ttyUSB1' & '/dev/ttyUSB2' several times to get it to sync - it's a pain. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 20:05:21 2007 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:05:21 -0400 Subject: Troubles with KPilot In-Reply-To: <46DB00D1.8040207@rmk.co.il> References: <200709021401.24335.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <46DB00D1.8040207@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200709021605.22098.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> On Sunday 02 September 2007 2:28 pm, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > > I am having rouble trying to link my Z22 pdf with dapper kubuntu. > > > > Executing KPilot I get the following log: > > > > Version: KPilot 4.6.0 (blivit) > > Version: pilot-link 0.11.8 > > Version: KDE 3.5.2 > > Version: Qt 3.3.6 > > > > HotSync Log > > > > 13:39:32 Starting the KPilot daemon ... > > 13:39:32 Daemon status is `not running' > > 13:39:32 Pilot device /dev/pilot does not exist. Probably it is a USB > > device and will appear during a HotSync. > > 13:39:44 Device link ready. > > 13:39:56 Unable to read system information from Pilot > > 13:41:06 Changed username to `gie'. > > 13:41:06 Next HotSync will be: HotSync. Please press the HotSync button. > > 13:41:20 Trying to open device /dev/pilot... > > 13:41:20 Device link ready. > > 13:41:32 Next sync will be a Fast Sync. Please press the HotSync button. > > 13:41:32 Next HotSync will be: FastSync. Please press the HotSync button. > > 13:41:52 Unable to read system information from Pilot > > 13:42:17 Trying to open device /dev/pilot... > > 13:42:17 Device link ready. > > 13:42:46 Unable to read system information from Pilot > > > > with the progress bar stopped at 30%. > > > > I have a suspicion that some daemon is not installed but I have not idea > > which or what one. > > > > Comments greatly appreciated. > > I have a Palm Z22 and to get it to sync I have to first start Kpilot (which > complains that "Daemon status is `not running'"); then, from a terminal, > run 'kpilotDaemon' (as a normal user - without the quotes); then, when it > complains that it can't sync, go > to 'Settings' > Configure KPilot > click on 'Device' (left panel) and under > 'Pilot Device' change the '/dev/ttyUSB1' to '/dev/ttyUSB2' - click apply - > then change it back to '/dev/ttyUSB1' THEN, having previously clicked the > 'Sync' icon on my Palm, it will connect :-) > > What an effort! But it works - sometimes I have to change the device back > and forth between '/dev/ttyUSB1' & '/dev/ttyUSB2' several times to get it > to sync - it's a pain. I get less indication of any contact. For some reason, only a /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1 were created despite my entering *USB2. (?) KinfoCenter does show the "Palm Handheld" on UHCI Host Controller (1). -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sun Sep 2 20:33:53 2007 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:33:53 -0400 Subject: K3b: no mp3 support In-Reply-To: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709020300g44880a30h32c87bc15687c251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709021633.53420.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Sunday 02 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Got this message when opening K3B: > > Mp3 Audio Decoder plugin not found. Doing a Google search on: "K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin" Leads right to the correct answer. Seriously, folks, Google'ing on specific error messages should be the first step in figuring out problems! From harold_hartley at verizon.net Sun Sep 2 23:19:08 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:19:08 -0400 Subject: networking project Message-ID: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> I am running kubuntu with two nic cards. First,I have the eth0 running fine with my DSL connection which the computer is assigned the ip address, not the DSL modem. Second, I have a eth1 that connects to a router(WRT54GL). I am trying to get the router to talk to eth1, but seems like I'm not doing something right. Once I get the router talking to eth1 on the computer, then I need to set it up so it can use the eth0 for the internet. I do have iptables installed, but can see anything blocking it from working. Oh, btw, I have assigned the eth1 with a static ip of 192.168.1.1 and the router is 192.168.1.3. (The router has wireless for my laptop to use for my laptop) For the life of me, I can't seem to find the problem why it does not want to work..... Harold From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 00:11:55 2007 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:11:55 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0709021711m67a5075crb86470d9fe45dc7b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/07, Harold Hartley wrote: > > Once I get the router talking to eth1 on the computer, then I need to > set it up so it can use the eth0 for the internet. > I do have iptables installed, but can see anything blocking it from > working. > > Oh, btw, I have assigned the eth1 with a static ip of 192.168.1.1 and > the router is 192.168.1.3. (The router has wireless for my laptop to use > for my laptop) > > For the life of me, I can't seem to find the problem why it does not > want to work..... > Let's see. What you want is to have traffic from eth0 routed to eth1 and traffic from eth1 routed to eth0. But iptables works by looking at the destination address. So your rules would have traffic to 192.168.1.0 delivered via interface eth1 and traffic to everything else delivered via interface eth0. If you send the output of the "route" command, we can identify which one of these is not correct. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(The router has wireless for my laptop to use > for my laptop) > > For the life of me, I can't seem to find the problem why it does not > want to work..... > > Harold > Why are you running through the computer? -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From harold_hartley at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 01:06:33 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:06:33 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: >> I am running kubuntu with two nic cards. >> >> First,I have the eth0 running fine with my DSL connection which the >> computer is assigned the ip address, not the DSL modem. >> >> Second, I have a eth1 that connects to a router(WRT54GL). >> I am trying to get the router to talk to eth1, but seems like I'm not >> doing something right. >> Once I get the router talking to eth1 on the computer, then I need to >> set it up so it can use the eth0 for the internet. >> I do have iptables installed, but can see anything blocking it from working. >> >> Oh, btw, I have assigned the eth1 with a static ip of 192.168.1.1 and >> the router is 192.168.1.3. (The router has wireless for my laptop to use >> for my laptop) >> >> For the life of me, I can't seem to find the problem why it does not >> want to work..... >> >> Harold >> > > Why are you running through the computer? > Because I am a ham and is setting up a ham gateway for packet radio and then plan to run a web server as well plus another project that requires a system that receives the inet ip... Harold From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 3 01:57:50 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:57:50 -0500 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46DB6A1E.4080008@swbell.net> Harold Hartley wrote: >> > Because I am a ham and is setting up a ham gateway for packet radio and > then plan to run a web server as well plus another project that requires > a system that receives the inet ip... > > Harold > > OK. The reason I asked that silly question is because normally it's Modem > Router > Computer, not Modem > Computer > Router. For a very short time we had two high speed internet services while we decided which to keep. I tried to get two nic cards to work at the same time. My idea was to have one for uplink and one for downlink. I never could get more than one card to function at a time. Course I didn't work at it all that hard either. It was more an exercise in silliness than a serious effort. I can't say I know enough about what you got planned to be of much help. I've heard of it but never messed with it at all. One way I can see that might work is to use an internal DSL modem. You could then feed the output from the computer to the router to share the connection. It would only require one nic. With our broadband card we have to run the output from the computer to a switch then to the router. Straight from the computer to a router won't work. Something about spoofing an address for the router to see. That might be a concern with your setup also. Don't believe them when they tell you you can't share a connection with a broadband card. OK, now you know everything about the subject I know. I wish you well in your endeavor. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh KA5LSU WQHG921 The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From drden2000 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 3 04:51:13 2007 From: drden2000 at hotmail.com (D T) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:51:13 -0700 Subject: installing print drivers Message-ID: Hello, I'm new to Linux but I know MS windows very well. I have tried to go to Linux at least 5 times in the last 10 years. It seems that I am cursed for not being able to do anything in Linux. I've tried to install my printer, a Canon pixma IP3000 and failed. So then I tried my Nieces Dell 1110 Laser and failed again. Then I went to the old shed to pull out the Brother MFC 3820-CN that my Brother-in-law kept stored, failed again. I cannot remember all the new terms with Linux so I need to print out the sheets I find in Google. So can anyone tell me a simple way to get a printer installed on Kububtu? I have a file:///home/dt/Desktop/iP4200_Linux_260.tar.gz Canon japan driver IP4200??? that some say will work but I cant get it to install. I can see it with the program that works like (Win-Rar, Win-Zip) but it wont install, It's actually the extension .RPM (fedora Package)? Then I found out I need to open it with a package installer but I dont have the one that Ubuntu guide has (the one under "system settings" -> "administration"). I find it so hard to use this stuff the way it is. Do I really have to find a Japanese driver then open it to view it, then get a separate package installer to install it? Will it go in then? Or is there more to do than this? There has got to be one installer that does them all? right? Is there really no drivers (in America?) for a Canon IP 3000, a Dell 1110 and a Brother 3820CN? These are all very common printers are they not? Canon has a driver for some of the printer but not mine and the are .tz extension. I'm so frustrated, I hate MS with passion but ... 3 days and all I have is only the stuff that came on the original cd I downloaded and burned. I even went back to my 4 year old computer (it ran the "live cd's) because I couldn't install most of the stuff (drivers) on a new system it would just lock up. My 18 month old $2000.00 Dell 9400 ATI x1400, 17" ultra bright LCD, 2.0 gig dual core intel cpu, 2 gig ram, 100 gig 7200 rpm hd. wont even come up with the "live" CD (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, fedora, Dream-linux, Kororag, Puppy-linux, freespire, suse10.2. Well at least this time I can get on the internet, first time that has happened so I must be getting better, trying to stay positive, I would love to leave MS. Any help will be appreciated. If not? I'll wait another 2 years and try it again. Thank-you! _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.mcglone at att.net Mon Sep 3 05:47:56 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 01:47:56 -0400 Subject: Adept Package manager Message-ID: <200709030147.56694.david.mcglone@att.net> I re -- David M. From franka at svpal.org Mon Sep 3 05:50:23 2007 From: franka at svpal.org (Frank Arnold) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:50:23 -0700 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DBA09F.9060409@svpal.org> D T wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to Linux but I know MS windows very well. I have tried to go > to Linux at least 5 times in the last 10 years. It seems that I am > cursed for not being able to do anything in Linux. I've tried to > install my printer, a Canon pixma IP3000 and failed. So then I tried > my Nieces Dell 1110 Laser and failed again. Then I went to the old > shed to pull out the Brother MFC 3820-CN that my Brother-in-law kept > stored, failed again. I cannot remember all the new terms with Linux > so I need to print out the sheets I find in Google. So can anyone > tell me a simple way to get a printer installed on Kububtu? I have a > file:///home/dt/Desktop/iP4200_Linux_260.tar.gz Canon japan driver > IP4200??? that some say will work but I cant get it to install. I can > see it with the program that works like (Win-Rar, Win-Zip) but it wont > install, It's actually the extension .RPM (fedora Package)? Then I > found out I need to open it with a package installer but I dont have > the one that Ubuntu guide has (the one under "system settings" -> > "administration"). > > I find it so hard to use this stuff the way it is. Do I really have > to find a Japanese driver then open it to view it, then get a separate > package installer to install it? Will it go in then? Or is there > more to do than this? There has got to be one installer that does > them all? right? Is there really no drivers (in America?) for a Canon > IP 3000, a Dell 1110 and a Brother 3820CN? These are all very common > printers are they not? Canon has a driver for some of the printer but > not mine and the are .tz extension. I'm so frustrated, I hate MS with > passion but ... 3 days and all I have is only the stuff that came on > the original cd I downloaded and burned. I even went back to my 4 > year old computer (it ran the "live cd's) because I couldn't install > most of the stuff (drivers) on a new system it would just lock up. My > 18 month old $2000.00 Dell 9400 ATI x1400, 17" ultra bright LCD, 2.0 > gig dual core intel cpu, 2 gig ram, 100 gig 7200 rpm hd. wont even > come up with the "live" CD (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, fedora, Dream-linux, > Kororag, Puppy-linux, freespire, suse10.2. Well at least this time I > can get on the internet, first time that has happened so I must be > getting better, trying to stay positive, I would love to leave MS. > Any help will be appreciated. If not? I'll wait another 2 years and > try it again. > > Thank-you! **************************************************************************** Printers can be difficult in Linux as many companies only release drivers for windows. You may need more help than this, but try: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi You should there find out whether a driver is available or not. Frank Arnold ******************************************************************************* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! > From david.mcglone at att.net Mon Sep 3 05:52:48 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 01:52:48 -0400 Subject: Adept package manager Message-ID: <200709030152.48629.david.mcglone@att.net> Oops I accidentally hit the touchpad with the cursor on the send button. Anyway, I recall a discussion somewhere about Adept locking up after a crash and the solution was to delete a lock file somewhere. Well today my desktop crashed and now Adept package manager is complaining that another process is using the database or something to that effect, and I can't find nor recall where the lock file was that needs to be removed to get adept working again. Anyone know? Thanks. -- David M. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Sep 3 06:40:15 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:40:15 +0100 Subject: Adept package manager In-Reply-To: <200709030152.48629.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709030152.48629.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46DBAC4F.7070901@stdin.me.uk> David McGlone wrote: > Oops I accidentally hit the touchpad with the cursor on the send button. > > Anyway, I recall a discussion somewhere about Adept locking up after a crash > and the solution was to delete a lock file somewhere. > > Well today my desktop crashed and now Adept package manager is complaining > that another process is using the database or something to that effect, and I > can't find nor recall where the lock file was that needs to be removed to get > adept working again. > > Anyone know? > > Thanks. > If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 06:52:00 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:52:00 +0200 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46DBAF10.7080009@gmail.com> > Oh, btw, I have assigned the eth1 with a static ip of 192.168.1.1 and > the router is 192.168.1.3. (The router has wireless for my laptop to use > for my laptop) I know zip-all about networks except to notice how similar yours is to my own (which, ironically is not working - but used to!). What you could try is to masquerade packets from your eth1 IP. Do this: 1. Enable forwarding, done only once, as root: echo '1'>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 2. Setup the table: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE Now, test the connection from your laptop. If it works, then put that iptables command into /etc/init.d/netshare (I think, I am not on my Kubuntu machine, and my experience is with Dapper) I hope that helps some, /d From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Mon Sep 3 07:08:50 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:08:50 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709030908.50724.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Saturday 01 September 2007 05:45:02 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 31 August 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > Hi there! does anyone know Rosegarden (midi editor for KDE)? > > I've heard of it. > > > http://www.linux.com/articles/59775 > > > > System timer resolution is too low > > You've gotten good advise so far. Change out your kernel for the one in > Ubuntu Studio. That's what I'm using (a quasi Kubuntu Studio) with good > success. I did this install as Ubuntu Studio from DVD with > "kubuntu-desktop" tacked on, but it should work just as well in the other > direction. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre Thanks for the advice. I downloaded the utilities from ubuntu studio but it still says the same thing! I tried with other sequencer timers, with no success. Below I post the output message of Rosegarden's actual sequencer status, in case that could contain vital infos: Rosegarden 1.4.0 - AlsaDriver - alsa-lib version 1.0.13 JackDriver::initialiseAudio - JACK server not running ALSA Client information: 14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0) (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype 655362, cap 99] 16,0 - (SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P], EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART)) (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype 589826, cap 127] 17,0 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 0) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] 17,1 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 1) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] 17,2 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 2) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] 17,3 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 3) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] Creating device 0 in Play mode for connection 17:0 Emu10k1 Port 0 (write) Default device name for this device is MIDI soundcard synth Creating device 1 in Play mode for connection 17:1 Emu10k1 Port 1 (write) Default device name for this device is MIDI soundcard synth 2 Creating device 2 in Play mode for connection 17:2 Emu10k1 Port 2 (write) Default device name for this device is MIDI soundcard synth 3 Creating device 3 in Play mode for connection 17:3 Emu10k1 Port 3 (write) Default device name for this device is MIDI soundcard synth 4 Creating device 4 in Play mode for connection 16:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (duplex) Default device name for this device is MIDI external device Creating device 5 in Record mode for connection 16:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (duplex) Default device name for this device is MIDI hardware input device Creating device 6 in Play mode for connection 14:0 Midi Through Port-0 (duplex) (not connecting) Default device name for this device is MIDI output system device Creating device 7 in Record mode for connection 14:0 Midi Through Port-0 (duplex) (not connecting) Default device name for this device is MIDI input system device System timer is only 250Hz, sending a warning Current timer set to "system timer" WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution! AlsaDriver::initialiseMidi - initialised MIDI subsystem Current timer set to "EMU10K1 timer" ALSA Client information: 14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0) (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype 655362, cap 99] 16,0 - (SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P], EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART)) (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype 589826, cap 127] 17,0 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 0) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] 17,1 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 1) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] 17,2 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 2) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] 17,3 - (Emu10k1 WaveTable, Emu10k1 Port 3) (WRITE ONLY) [ctype 2, ptype 327710, cap 66] -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 3 07:15:25 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:15:25 +0100 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070903081525.7b70b36b@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:51:13 -0700 D T wrote: > I find it so hard to use this stuff the way it is. Do I really have > to find a Japanese driver then open it to view it, then get a > separate package installer to install it? Will it go in then? Or is > there more to do than this? There has got to be one installer that > does them all? right? Is there really no drivers (in America?) for a > Canon IP 3000, a Dell 1110 and a Brother 3820CN? These are all very > common printers are they not? Canon has a driver for some of the > printer but not mine and the are .tz extension. I'm so frustrated, I > hate MS with passion but ... 3 days and all I have is only the stuff > that came on the original cd I downloaded and burned. I even went > back to my 4 year old computer (it ran the "live cd's) because I > couldn't install most of the stuff (drivers) on a new system it would > just lock up. [snipped] Manufacturers, by and large, ignore the Linux community and produce drivers for Windows alone. This leaves the Linux community to back-engineer is own drivers (which might be illegal in some places) or to write its own code. This isn't a matter of the printers being common, its a fact of life when you seek to leave the hand holding in the Windows world for a different OS system. No, there is not one installer that "does them all", but libraries of drivers available that various packages call upon to enable them to print output. When installing Kubuntu I make sure that CUPS, gutenprint libraries, and gimp-print are installed to make sure my printer(s) have the necessary drivers. By Googling, I found this: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP3000 which shows that gutenprint is the library package you want to install the driver. There are two ways of doing this, by apt-get: sudo apt-get install libgutenprint2 libgutenprint-dev or through Synaptic or Adept: search on gutenprint, then install all packages shown I found that virtually everything searched upon was installed by other packages (depending on what you have installed on your system, you might find the same). When I reinstall Kubuntu, I always search on "print" (no quotes) when using Synaptic and install as a matter of course gimp-print and libgutenprint2 which with CUPS covers most of the problems I shall find. Now, as to getting .rpm files installed in a Debian universe (like K/Ubuntu) you should first install the package alien: sudo apt-get install alien then cd to the directory when the .rpm file is located and run sudo alien --to-deb This will generate a .deb package in the same directory as the .rpm package. Then run: sudo dpkg -i You might get some problems with dependencies, and if this is so then run: sudo apt-get -f install This will force an install from packages downloaded from the repositories specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list, so make sure you have listed there the repositories in which the dependencies are to be found. Remember that Windows and Linux regard package management in fundamentally different ways. In Windows, you download an executable file which has everything (together with the Windows OS) to run the program, even if you have blocks of code that do the same job duplicated in various packages. Linux is more modular, in that each package is really calling on other libraries and blocks of code, and each of those blocks of code is improved and maintained by different people. As an example, a word processor would have a gui which depends on the integration of, say, gtk in the desktop, and the dictionaries maintained by others, etc. But this means you can also address these programs (dependencies) directly through the command-line which means in turn having some proficiency with the CLI and using basic tools. Linux is a world of choice, not tied to proprietary standards. Enjoy! - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG27ShthMHx1h/UZYRAt+mAKCEkeHaXseRmK1L1BC5cUDTE1SevwCfUtEw vHgg+PRf3aNfMvqr1RsYYdA= =epy7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 07:19:32 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:19:32 +0200 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <46DBA09F.9060409@svpal.org> References: <46DBA09F.9060409@svpal.org> Message-ID: <46DBB584.4030107@gmail.com> > http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi While this is not an answer to your problem, it might be. I visited that site and others and chose a well supported printer and then sourced it (damn hard to do in South Africa, I'll tell you) and - luckily - bought it. It's an Epson Stylus CX3200 and it works like a bomb (scanning and printing) with the Gutenprint (I think) drivers. So, that's a route. /d From paulvarjak at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 08:00:07 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:00:07 +0200 Subject: Memory question In-Reply-To: <46DAE9AF.90804@rmk.co.il> References: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> <46DAE40C.50700@swbell.net> <46DAE9AF.90804@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <5e33e3860709030100s7d817ed2qaa637359ff44fcc6@mail.gmail.com> Hello Nigel. It can, of course, be a problem of the memory slot. But the probability laws are playing in your team. It's almost sure you'll solve the problem changing the memory module, so give it a try. If not you will have to invest some money in a rhum bottle just to forget. Nothing happens. Paul. From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Sep 3 09:16:36 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:16:36 +0300 Subject: Scribus Apt-Key Problem In-Reply-To: <20070901063421.1115727c@graham-desktop> References: <20070831234614.090cdea0@graham-desktop> <46D8F268.9080001@rmk.co.il> <20070901063421.1115727c@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <46DBD0F4.8040302@rmk.co.il> Graham wrote: > On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:02:32 +0300 > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I just got the same problem and have had the same repo in my >> sources.list for ages >> - have sent an email to the Scribus mailing list.......... >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel > > Thanks. Good to know its not my system at fault, anyway :) > > And thanks for referring to to Scribus mailing list. Got a reply from the Debian Scribus folks: * Nigel Ridley [2007-09-03 08:26:03 +0300]: > > Running Kubuntu Feisty Fawn > > > > This has just occurred since the day before yesterday - I've had the same > > repo for ages: > > > > W: GPG error: http://debian.scribus.net feisty Release: The following > > signatures were invalid: BADSIG 5BC4CFB8EEF818CF Scribus Debian Archive > > Signing Key > > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > > > > Is there a new signature? > > > > Blessings, > > > > Nigel No new signature. I uploaded experimental 1.3.5svn packages for Debian unstable and testing into repos and forgot to sign the release files. It should be ok now. Sorry about that. Cheers, Alex. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From Scott at scotttesterman.com Mon Sep 3 09:36:15 2007 From: Scott at scotttesterman.com (T. Scott Testerman) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:36:15 -0400 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709030536.16081.Scott@scotttesterman.com> Printing on Linux seems to be the only area where Linux can't really begin to compete with Windows. This is entirely due to the manufacturers and their support or lack thereof. Canon USA's consumer division has been a nightmare, in my experience, with regards to Linux. Even after parent company Canon Japan released Linux driver packages, the USA division refused to even acknowledge their existence. This means that you could get your printer to work fine, as long as you could read Japanese. Interestingly, most of the Canon commercial line have Linux drivers of one kind or another available. Keep the printer if you still want to use it in Windows (they're great printers, btw) but otherwise you may as well sell it and cease to support Canon until they support you. That Dell 1110 is a Samsung that they didn't even bother to disguise in a Dell black tux, and Samsung printers work quite well, even having official support from Samsung. Linuxprinting.org reports that the ML-1610 built-in driver works in 600x600 resolution, which IIRC is the max for the 1110, so you'll probably get great output. You won't get any function out of the Dell toner management system, which means you'll have to take the trouble of noticing of your toner has run out. :-D Samsung's official drivers can break scanning on your Kubuntu system unless you're using an all-in-one Samsung, so I can't recommend them unless you're OK with that or willing to fix the permissions issues. Another excellent suggestion for your Dellsung is Splix, a set of open source Samsung drivers. (Splix is available in Adept, although it's a slightly old version.) Splix supports my Samsung ML-2250 better than the official Samsung drivers, even enabling 1200dpi printing. The only caveat is that envelopes print with a bizarre barcode-like gibberish around the outer edges, but this appears to be a per-printer problem, so your model may work perfectly. I have a second copy of my printer installed using PCL6 that I use solely for envelopes and keep the Splix copy for the bells and whistles. Brother is another manufacturer who seems to have seen the light and is working hard to support Linux across their entire line. I can report a complete lack of success in trying to get the Brother driver installed on a friend's Kubuntu system, but it was a very low-end laser, so a generic PCL install worked quite well, albeit without any 1200dpi support. If you want to give Brother's official driver a shot, you can find it here: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install2.html _______________ Scott From harold_hartley at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 12:32:11 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:32:11 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB6A1E.4080008@swbell.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DB6A1E.4080008@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46DBFECB.6050004@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: >> Because I am a ham and is setting up a ham gateway for packet radio and >> then plan to run a web server as well plus another project that requires >> a system that receives the inet ip... >> >> Harold >> >> > > OK. The reason I asked that silly question is because normally it's > Modem > Router > Computer, not Modem > Computer > Router. > > For a very short time we had two high speed internet services while we > decided which to keep. I tried to get two nic cards to work at the same > time. My idea was to have one for uplink and one for downlink. I never > could get more than one card to function at a time. Course I didn't work > at it all that hard either. It was more an exercise in silliness than a > serious effort. > > I can't say I know enough about what you got planned to be of much help. > I've heard of it but never messed with it at all. > > One way I can see that might work is to use an internal DSL modem. You > could then feed the output from the computer to the router to share the > connection. It would only require one nic. With our broadband card we > have to run the output from the computer to a switch then to the router. > Straight from the computer to a router won't work. Something about > spoofing an address for the router to see. That might be a concern with > your setup also. > > Don't believe them when they tell you you can't share a connection with > a broadband card. > > OK, now you know everything about the subject I know. I wish you well in > your endeavor. > I'm not sure about the DMZ part in the router if that would help me or if the port forwarding would still work while in DMZ mode... See, currently the ip passes through the dsl and would go to either computer or router... Harold From harold_hartley at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 12:35:14 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:35:14 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DBAF10.7080009@gmail.com> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DBAF10.7080009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DBFF82.4000508@verizon.net> Donn wrote: >> Oh, btw, I have assigned the eth1 with a static ip of 192.168.1.1 and >> the router is 192.168.1.3. (The router has wireless for my laptop to use >> for my laptop) > > I know zip-all about networks except to notice how similar yours is to > my own (which, ironically is not working - but used to!). > > What you could try is to masquerade packets from your eth1 IP. Do this: > > 1. Enable forwarding, done only once, as root: > echo '1'>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > 2. Setup the table: > iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE > > Now, test the connection from your laptop. If it works, then put that > iptables command into /etc/init.d/netshare (I think, I am not on my > Kubuntu machine, and my experience is with Dapper) > > I hope that helps some, > /d > I will check it out and see what my files has in them... Harold From bach.michael at gmx.net Mon Sep 3 13:07:15 2007 From: bach.michael at gmx.net (Michael Bach (gmx)) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:07:15 +0200 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> Harold Hartley wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Harold Hartley wrote: >>> I am running kubuntu with two nic cards. >>> >>> First,I have the eth0 running fine with my DSL connection which the >>> computer is assigned the ip address, not the DSL modem. >>> >>> Second, I have a eth1 that connects to a router(WRT54GL). >>> I am trying to get the router to talk to eth1, but seems like I'm not >>> doing something right. >>> Once I get the router talking to eth1 on the computer, then I need to >>> set it up so it can use the eth0 for the internet. >>> I do have iptables installed, but can see anything blocking it from working. >>> >>> Oh, btw, I have assigned the eth1 with a static ip of 192.168.1.1 and >>> the router is 192.168.1.3. (The router has wireless for my laptop to use >>> for my laptop) >>> >>> For the life of me, I can't seem to find the problem why it does not >>> want to work..... >>> >>> Harold >>> >> Why are you running through the computer? >> > Because I am a ham and is setting up a ham gateway for packet radio and > then plan to run a web server as well plus another project that requires > a system that receives the inet ip... > > Harold > Hi Harold, here are two suggestions: As Billie Walsh wrote, the default setup is the modem -> router -> computer setup. I guess I would go with that (the linksys router is actually a full computer, so it's all about software and configuration). What software (firmware) is the router running? The standard linksys software is maybe too limited for more advanced setups of port forwarding or packet routing. You can replace the original linksys firmware by openwrt [1] (I actually run my router with this). Openwrt can be extended by additional packages. This gives opportunities with virtually no limits. For easy installtion of an openwrt-webgui, see [2]. With the ips, couldn't a service like dyndns[3] help? For the modem -> computer -> router solution: Years ago at uni I had a pc-router, it ran the ipcop firewall distribution [4,5]. That, whenever necessary, was a snap to install, to configure and to update. [1] http://openwrt.org/ [2] http://x-wrt.org/ [3] http://www.dyndns.com/ [4] http://www.ipcop.org/ [5] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ipcop That's pretty much my whole wisdom on this matter. Hope it helps. Mike From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 3 13:16:47 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:16:47 +0200 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709031516.47726.kassube@gmx.net> Harold Hartley wrote: > I am running kubuntu with two nic cards. > > First,I have the eth0 running fine with my DSL connection which the > computer is assigned the ip address, not the DSL modem. > > Second, I have a eth1 that connects to a router(WRT54GL). > I am trying to get the router to talk to eth1, but seems like I'm not > doing something right. > Once I get the router talking to eth1 on the computer, then I need to > set it up so it can use the eth0 for the internet. > I do have iptables installed, but can see anything blocking it from > working. Could you be a bit more specific about your planned network design? Your Router has 2 interfaces ("internet" and internal switch connected to sockets "1" to "4" + WLAN). Which one do you want to connect to your eth1? In another mail in this thread you write about a packet radio gateway and a web server. Where do you intend to connect those? If you clarify these items, it is probably much easier to help you. Nils From bootgr at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 13:55:39 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:55:39 -0600 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <200709031516.47726.kassube@gmx.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <200709031516.47726.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709030655u1334efcesdb8328d261adef58@mail.gmail.com> On 9/3/07, Nils Kassube wrote: > Harold Hartley wrote: > > I am running kubuntu with two nic cards. > > > > First,I have the eth0 running fine with my DSL connection which the > > computer is assigned the ip address, not the DSL modem. > > > > Second, I have a eth1 that connects to a router(WRT54GL). > > I am trying to get the router to talk to eth1, but seems like I'm not > > doing something right. > > Once I get the router talking to eth1 on the computer, then I need to > > set it up so it can use the eth0 for the internet. > > I do have iptables installed, but can see anything blocking it from > > working. > > Could you be a bit more specific about your planned network design? Your > Router has 2 interfaces ("internet" and internal switch connected to > sockets "1" to "4" + WLAN). Which one do you want to connect to your > eth1? In another mail in this thread you write about a packet radio > gateway and a web server. Where do you intend to connect those? If you > clarify these items, it is probably much easier to help you. > > > Nils > Or there's Tomato ( http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato ) which is a nice simple one that DOES have some DMZ settings but I don't use them. Just bringing up options. g -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 14:34:10 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:34:10 +0200 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <46DC1B62.1000109@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:41:37 +0200 > Donn wrote: > >>> I tried that and got an error message:- >>> >>> unknown mime type for sources.list >> Sounds like you tried to edit the file through a gui by double clicking >> it. Best to open it from a command line like so: >> sudo kedit /etc/sources.list >> >> or, just learn vi, sudo vi /etc/sources.list >> Sorry I should have been clearer in my first mail. Simplest way (I think) for an ex-DOS hacker: Open Konsole window type "sudo nano /etc/sources.list" comment away the deb:cdrom line with an initial # on the line Save and try updating/installing after that. Sinclair From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 3 14:44:20 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:44:20 -0500 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> On 09/03/2007 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > The standard linksys > software is maybe too limited for more advanced setups of port > forwarding or packet routing. You can replace the original linksys > firmware by openwrt [1] (I actually run my router with this). Openwrt > can be extended by additional packages. Yikes! I had forgotten about the openwrt thing. By all means if you are running a Linksys install the new software to it. It makes a monster machine out of them. We've got two running and they kick booty. [ Don't tell anyone I told you but you can crank them babies up to about a quarter watt output for some real WIFI connectivity. Don't recommend it for long term use but............... We run ours at about 100/125mW. ] IF you try to access the router from a windows machine use Firefox, NOT IE. When we changed over our first one Tracie, who has to have Windows for her work, thought she had killed the router. IE wouldn't show all the menus, and trashed what it did show. I logged in with Firefox on Linux and everything was fine. She opened up Firefox and logged in and it was fine. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 3 14:56:52 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:56:52 +0100 Subject: Scribus Apt-Key Problem In-Reply-To: <46DBD0F4.8040302@rmk.co.il> References: <20070831234614.090cdea0@graham-desktop> <46D8F268.9080001@rmk.co.il> <20070901063421.1115727c@graham-desktop> <46DBD0F4.8040302@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <20070903155652.4bf5df4f@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:16:36 +0300 Nigel Ridley wrote: > No new signature. I uploaded experimental 1.3.5svn packages for Debian > unstable and testing into repos and forgot to sign the release files. > It should be ok now. Sorry about that. > > Cheers, > > Alex. > > Blessings, > > Nigel Sorry, Nigel, still doesn't work. I reloaded the key into gpg via kgpg and then exported it as scribus.asc. I then did: sudo apt-key add scribus.asc and it showed OK Then I did: sudo apt-get update and then got this error message: W: GPG error: http://debian.scribus.net feisty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 5BC4CFB8EEF818CF Scribus Debian Archive Signing Key I'll try it again tomorrow to see if the key has been reseeded from other keyservers. - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG3CDIthMHx1h/UZYRAl1gAJoCzX9RZ6KSNw+2uVSnUoI+TFapEwCeLnK4 fBT08qaeKcxYrnKo5mQPycU= =V5Z4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Mon Sep 3 15:02:11 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:02:11 +0100 Subject: Edgy/Feisty setup re installs In-Reply-To: <46DC1B62.1000109@gmail.com> References: <20070831130408.26d4ea0a.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D80A8D.2070109@gmail.com> <20070901151125.d26ce4b6.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46D97A21.6060704@gmail.com> <20070901161814.6f421a2f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46DC1B62.1000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070903160211.80bf17e7.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:34:10 +0200 "O. Sinclair" wrote: > Sorry I should have been clearer in my first mail. Simplest way (I > think) for an ex-DOS hacker: > Open Konsole window > type "sudo nano /etc/sources.list" > comment away the deb:cdrom line with an initial # on the line > > Save and try updating/installing after that. > > Sinclair I will try that on my brother's computer. It seems to work on mine, although I had no need to actually edit anything. Incidentally, the path should be /etc/apt/sources.list I will report back Thanks Neil Winchurst From david.mcglone at att.net Mon Sep 3 15:11:58 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:11:58 -0400 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <46DBB584.4030107@gmail.com> References: <46DBA09F.9060409@svpal.org> <46DBB584.4030107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709031111.58899.david.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 03 September 2007 3:19:32 am Donn wrote: > > http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi > > While this is not an answer to your problem, it might be. I visited that > site and others and chose a well supported printer and then sourced it > (damn hard to do in South Africa, I'll tell you) and - luckily - bought > it. It's an Epson Stylus CX3200 and it works like a bomb (scanning and > printing) with the Gutenprint (I think) drivers. > > So, that's a route. I've had the same printer for the last 4 or 5 years. It has worked great for me on every distro I've tried and used using the gimp printer drivers. -- David M. From harold_hartley at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 16:24:27 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:24:27 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46DC353B.8040307@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2007 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > >> The standard linksys >> software is maybe too limited for more advanced setups of port >> forwarding or packet routing. You can replace the original linksys >> firmware by openwrt [1] (I actually run my router with this). Openwrt >> can be extended by additional packages. >> > > Yikes! I had forgotten about the openwrt thing. By all means if you are > running a Linksys install the new software to it. It makes a monster > machine out of them. We've got two running and they kick booty. [ Don't > tell anyone I told you but you can crank them babies up to about a > quarter watt output for some real WIFI connectivity. Don't recommend it > for long term use but............... We run ours at about 100/125mW. ] > > IF you try to access the router from a windows machine use Firefox, NOT > IE. When we changed over our first one Tracie, who has to have Windows > for her work, thought she had killed the router. IE wouldn't show all > the menus, and trashed what it did show. I logged in with Firefox on > Linux and everything was fine. She opened up Firefox and logged in and > it was fine. > > I run the WRT54GL router by linksys and will look into it... Harold From harold_hartley at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 16:33:05 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:33:05 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46DC3741.2000502@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2007 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > >> The standard linksys >> software is maybe too limited for more advanced setups of port >> forwarding or packet routing. You can replace the original linksys >> firmware by openwrt [1] (I actually run my router with this). Openwrt >> can be extended by additional packages. >> > > Yikes! I had forgotten about the openwrt thing. By all means if you are > running a Linksys install the new software to it. It makes a monster > machine out of them. We've got two running and they kick booty. [ Don't > tell anyone I told you but you can crank them babies up to about a > quarter watt output for some real WIFI connectivity. Don't recommend it > for long term use but............... We run ours at about 100/125mW. ] > > IF you try to access the router from a windows machine use Firefox, NOT > IE. When we changed over our first one Tracie, who has to have Windows > for her work, thought she had killed the router. IE wouldn't show all > the menus, and trashed what it did show. I logged in with Firefox on > Linux and everything was fine. She opened up Firefox and logged in and > it was fine. > > Do you have to run windows to install the software to the router or can I use linux to do that. Harold From bach.michael at gmx.net Mon Sep 3 16:50:37 2007 From: bach.michael at gmx.net (Michael Bach (gmx)) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:50:37 +0200 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DC3741.2000502@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> <46DC3741.2000502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46DC3B5D.7070507@gmx.net> Harold Hartley wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 09/03/2007 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: >> >>> The standard linksys >>> software is maybe too limited for more advanced setups of port >>> forwarding or packet routing. You can replace the original linksys >>> firmware by openwrt [1] (I actually run my router with this). Openwrt >>> can be extended by additional packages. >>> >> Yikes! I had forgotten about the openwrt thing. By all means if you are >> running a Linksys install the new software to it. It makes a monster >> machine out of them. We've got two running and they kick booty. [ Don't >> tell anyone I told you but you can crank them babies up to about a >> quarter watt output for some real WIFI connectivity. Don't recommend it >> for long term use but............... We run ours at about 100/125mW. ] >> >> IF you try to access the router from a windows machine use Firefox, NOT >> IE. When we changed over our first one Tracie, who has to have Windows >> for her work, thought she had killed the router. IE wouldn't show all >> the menus, and trashed what it did show. I logged in with Firefox on >> Linux and everything was fine. She opened up Firefox and logged in and >> it was fine. >> >> > Do you have to run windows to install the software to the router or can > I use linux to do that. > > Harold > > Both windows (with ie and ff) and linux (with ff) work with the linksys firmware upgrade. I usually enable/allow all java script and disable any adblocker for such procedures. And if the web frontend says that upgrading takes a while, it's usually in the range of two to three minutes, it shouldn't take much longer. Mike From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Sep 3 17:12:16 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:12:16 +0200 Subject: Boot video problem SOLVED In-Reply-To: <46DAF4FF.9060409@gmail.com> References: <46D8A81F.3040109@gmail.com> <200709021828.42477.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <46DAF4FF.9060409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709031912.16714.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Sunday 02 September 2007 19:38, Stew Schneider wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > Hi Stew, > > > > *Foreword* > > Contrary to some other people on lists I don't object receiving mail from > > a list in my name. Remember that writing to the list may increase the > > odds of getting a valid answer, In any case do report to the list if you > > find a solution. > > *Backward* > Ooops. I never saw your first posting on the list. It came to me > directly, and I thought, for some reason, you objected to responding > on-list, so was trying to follow your lead. Sorry. *Go figure, im my sent-mail folder I have :* Re: Boot video problem From: Sylviane et Perry White To: stew.schneider at gmail.com, Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: Saturday 19:23:49 (and the following text that you know) *and I neither don't have it my Ubuntu received mail* Also I didn't receive a related "undeliverable mail" notice. Sorry for misleading you, it was unintended and I still don't understand why it happend. (snip) > Tried quite a few things -- no disk activity at all. On a hunch, though, > I edited the boot sequence and removed 'quiet' from it. Kubuntu came up > like a charm. > > Go figger. Many thanks for the help, Perry. > > stew Glad you "solved" it, so you edited something in Grub (?). The bootloader was the only thing that was different when you booted from a CD, so it was reasonable to try this. I just wouldn't have suspected a failing boot to go this far before dying. Gretings Perry -- BOFH excuse #397: T1's congested due to porn traffic to the news server From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 3 17:37:27 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:37:27 -0500 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DC3741.2000502@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> <46DC3741.2000502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46DC4657.6060608@swbell.net> On 09/03/2007 Harold Hartley wrote: > Do you have to run windows to install the software to the router or > can > I use linux to do that. > > Harold Usually Tracie handles that stuff. She has to have Windows for her work so she uses Windows to do the upgrade. From what she says you download the software. Log into the router. Go to "Update Firmware". Show it where you downloaded the software to and stand back. You don't want to do anything till it's complete. I would think that process would run just as well in either system. It sounds like the router actually does whatever, not the OS. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Sep 3 18:18:16 2007 From: werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk (Rod Joyce) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:18:16 +0100 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709031918.16920.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> On Monday 03 September 2007 05:51:13 D T wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to Linux but I know MS windows very well. I have tried to go to > Linux at least 5 times in the last 10 years. It seems that I am cursed for > not being able to do anything in Linux. I've tried to install my printer, > a Canon pixma IP3000 and failed. So then I tried my Nieces Dell 1110 Laser > and failed again. Then I went to the old shed to pull out the Brother MFC > 3820-CN that my Brother-in-law kept stored, failed again. I cannot > remember all the new terms with Linux so I need to print out the sheets I > find in Google. So can anyone tell me a simple way to get a printer > installed on Kububtu? I have a > file:///home/dt/Desktop/iP4200_Linux_260.tar.gz Canon japan driver > IP4200??? that some say will work but I cant get it to install. I can see > it with the program that works like (Win-Rar, Win-Zip) but it wont install, > It's actually the extension .RPM (fedora Package)? Then I found out I > need to open it with a package installer but I dont have the one that > Ubuntu guide has (the one under "system settings" -> "administration"). > > I find it so hard to use this stuff the way it is. Do I really have to > find a Japanese driver then open it to view it, then get a separate package > installer to install it? Will it go in then? Or is there more to do than > this? There has got to be one installer that does them all? right? Is > there really no drivers (in America?) for a Canon IP 3000, a Dell 1110 and > a Brother 3820CN? These are all very common printers are they not? Canon > has a driver for some of the printer but not mine and the are .tz > extension. I'm so frustrated, I hate MS with passion but ... 3 days and > all I have is only the stuff that came on the original cd I downloaded and > burned. I even went back to my 4 year old computer (it ran the "live cd's) > because I couldn't install most of the stuff (drivers) on a new system it > would just lock up. My 18 month old $2000.00 Dell 9400 ATI x1400, 17" > ultra bright LCD, 2.0 gig dual core intel cpu, 2 gig ram, 100 gig 7200 rpm > hd. wont even come up with the "live" CD (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, fedora, > Dream-linux, Kororag, Puppy-linux, freespire, suse10.2. Well at least this > time I can get on the internet, first time that has happened so I must be > getting better, trying to stay positive, I would love to leave MS. Any > help will be appreciated. If not? I'll wait another 2 years and try it > again. > > Thank-you! > _________________________________________________________________ > Explore the seven wonders of the world > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE Unfortunately, Hewlett Packard seem to be the only printer manufacturer to take Linux seriously - most if not all distros, including Ubuntu and Kubuntu come with the HPLIP toolkit which is usually quicker and easier to use than fiddling around with the Windows driver CD for the same models. I have a PSC 2115 and a Photosmart 320 connected to my machine and they've never given me any trouble. I also have a Canon Pixma i4200 which I couldn't find any useful drivers for until I discovered Turboprint for Linux. While I firmly believe in open source software, I'm prepared to sacrifice my principles when necessary, as long as it's not too expensive. You can get a commercial driver for the IP3000 at http://www.turboprint.de/english.html. - there is a deb package available for Debian/Ubuntu, and the installation instructions are clearly explained on the website. You can download a free trial version (which will print an irritating banner at random across whatever you print), but this will (a) show you that it's really not that difficult to install a printer driver, and (b) can be converted to the full version by paying 29.95 euros (about 38 USD) for the keyfile. I'm afraid I can't help with the Dell or the Brother, have you tried googling? BTW you won't have the installer mentioned in the Ubuntu guide as this Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop. The installer in Kubuntu is Adept. You can install a tar.gz file with the console on either version. You CAN'T install a package ending in .rpm straight onto Ubuntu or Kubuntu as rpm packages are actually designed for use with Fedora, Suse Linux, and their derivatives. However, you can convert rpm packages to deb packages (and vice versa) using a command line program called alien. But that's another story Don't give up. I was driven insane by Windows 98, which crashed so often I was in danger of losing customers (I was a freelance translator at the time), and switched to Suse Linux in 2001, even though I didn't know much about computers. Since then I've learnt a lot, although I'm no expert. I use Kubuntu because I like KDE, and because for some reason I can't fathom, Kubuntu runs much better than either Fedora or SuSe Linux on my main 64-bit PC (a very old Dell and even older HP are running the latest 32-bit versions of Kubuntu and Suse respectively quite happily). Win XP stinks - I have to use it at work, and it crashes at least twice a day... Rod From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Sep 3 19:20:29 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:20:29 -0400 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709030908.50724.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200708312345.02321.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709030908.50724.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <200709031520.29741.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 03 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I downloaded the utilities from ubuntu studio but it > still says the same thing! Step 1, go to a command line somewhere, and run: uname -r You should see: 2.6.20-16-lowlatency (Or whatever the most recent kernel is. Key word is the "lowlatency" mostly.) > I tried with other sequencer timers, with no > success. Below I post the output message of Rosegarden's actual sequencer > status, in case that could contain vital infos: The best one to use is "(auto)" if it works. Some of the other ones can freeze your system. I forget all the details on this stuff. It's pretty arcane. > Rosegarden 1.4.0 - AlsaDriver - alsa-lib version 1.0.13 Also, that's a very old version, if you're up for building a newer one. I don't think it would have any effect on this particular problem one way or the other. I can't really remember what we've done since 1.4.0. Anyway, let's start here. If you have the right kernel installed, and you've booted it, then we're looking at something more nasty. There *is* a bug report from someone who keeps getting this message even though he is supposed to have fixed his kernel. On SuSE, I think. So there may be some precedent for a real problem here. Although I'm running Ubuntu Studio myself, and not experiencing that problem, so chances are very high it's a config/setup issue on your system. -- D. Michael McIntyre From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 20:10:36 2007 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:10:36 -0400 Subject: Firefox on Dapper/AMD64 Message-ID: <200709031610.36404.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Curretly I am running Dapper/AMD64 desktop and the installed Firefox is version 1.5.0.6. On my laptop with Ubuntu(32) Feisty, Firefox is 2.0.0.6. The later will handle XML whereas the former will not. I did an apt-get upgrade/update on the former and nothing happened to Firefox I assume that more drastic operations are needed. Is Firefox available for an AMD64 system? Lastly, what is the easiest/practical procedure to upgrade the Dapper desktop to Feisty? Many thanks for comments. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 21:01:05 2007 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:01:05 -0400 Subject: dvifusion gold 5 rt dvd card Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0709031401l6e568d18qd266896fdf262e28@mail.gmail.com> I have been researching how to install the gold 5 card for some time and have yet found anything that makes since to me. Does anyone here have any idea's about this. Uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From drden2000 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 03:40:30 2007 From: drden2000 at hotmail.com (D T) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:40:30 -0700 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <20070903081525.7b70b36b@graham-desktop> References: <20070903081525.7b70b36b@graham-desktop> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply! you wrote this part "or through Synaptic or Adept: search on gutenprint, then install all packages shown I found that virtually everything searched upon was installed by otherpackages (depending on what you have installed on your system, youmight find the same). When I reinstall Kubuntu, I always search on"print" (no quotes) when using Synaptic and install as a matter ofcourse gimp-print and libgutenprint2 which with CUPS covers most of theproblems I shall find."I tried that and my Adept does not find those packages. Are they available for Kubuntu? I do understand that there is going to be a learning curve here. I appreciate you trying to help me. I have tried to do what you have said several times, but have failed. I have no "Synaptic" that I can find anywhere. I might not have the right stuff, I downloaded the CD from the Ubuntu website, the link at the bottom right "Kubuntu". I don't know about the additional libraries. I think that maybe I have made a mistake with this distro, maybe I should try another one. It seems funny to me but if someone could write a program that can help making the install process easier for beginners. Than I think there would be a lot more people turning to Linux. I think that maybe some of the real smart Linux people have forgotten how hard it is to learn Linux when you first start. You wrote: "Linux is a world of choice, not tied to proprietary standards. Enjoy!"Choices are good, how about a choice to install a print driver without having to do 6 or 7 completely different steps to do 1 thing. I don't have the patience. At this rate with Linux that way it is. It will take a month just to set it up. No wonder the manufacturers don't make drivers. They have to install Linux OS to make drivers for it and it just takes too long to make it work. Thank-you!I'll wait a couple of more years and try Linux again. Hopefully by then it will work easier. Thanks again for your help. > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:15:25 +0100 > From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: installing print drivers > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:51:13 -0700 > D T wrote: > > > I find it so hard to use this stuff the way it is. Do I really have > > to find a Japanese driver then open it to view it, then get a > > separate package installer to install it? Will it go in then? Or is > > there more to do than this? There has got to be one installer that > > does them all? right? Is there really no drivers (in America?) for a > > Canon IP 3000, a Dell 1110 and a Brother 3820CN? These are all very > > common printers are they not? Canon has a driver for some of the > > printer but not mine and the are .tz extension. I'm so frustrated, I > > hate MS with passion but ... 3 days and all I have is only the stuff > > that came on the original cd I downloaded and burned. I even went > > back to my 4 year old computer (it ran the "live cd's) because I > > couldn't install most of the stuff (drivers) on a new system it would > > just lock up. > [snipped] > > Manufacturers, by and large, ignore the Linux community and produce > drivers for Windows alone. This leaves the Linux community to > back-engineer is own drivers (which might be illegal in some places) or > to write its own code. This isn't a matter of the printers being > common, its a fact of life when you seek to leave the hand holding in > the Windows world for a different OS system. > > No, there is not one installer that "does them all", but libraries of > drivers available that various packages call upon to enable them to > print output. When installing Kubuntu I make sure that CUPS, > gutenprint libraries, and gimp-print are installed to make sure my > printer(s) have the necessary drivers. > > By Googling, I found this: > > http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP3000 > > which shows that gutenprint is the library package you want to install > the driver. There are two ways of doing this, by apt-get: > > sudo apt-get install libgutenprint2 libgutenprint-dev > > or through Synaptic or Adept: > > search on gutenprint, then install all packages shown > > I found that virtually everything searched upon was installed by other > packages (depending on what you have installed on your system, you > might find the same). When I reinstall Kubuntu, I always search on > "print" (no quotes) when using Synaptic and install as a matter of > course gimp-print and libgutenprint2 which with CUPS covers most of the > problems I shall find. > > Now, as to getting .rpm files installed in a Debian universe (like > K/Ubuntu) you should first install the package alien: > > sudo apt-get install alien > > then cd to the directory when the .rpm file is located and run > > sudo alien --to-deb > > This will generate a .deb package in the same directory as the .rpm > package. Then run: > > sudo dpkg -i > > You might get some problems with dependencies, and if this is so then > run: > > sudo apt-get -f install > > This will force an install from packages downloaded from the > repositories specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list, so make sure you > have listed there the repositories in which the dependencies are to be > found. > > Remember that Windows and Linux regard package management in > fundamentally different ways. In Windows, you download an executable > file which has everything (together with the Windows OS) to run the > program, even if you have blocks of code that do the same job > duplicated in various packages. Linux is more modular, in that each > package is really calling on other libraries and blocks of code, and > each of those blocks of code is improved and maintained by different > people. As an example, a word processor would have a gui which depends > on the integration of, say, gtk in the desktop, and the dictionaries > maintained by others, etc. But this means you can also address these > programs (dependencies) directly through the command-line which means > in turn having some proficiency with the CLI and using basic tools. > > Linux is a world of choice, not tied to proprietary standards. 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URL: From drden2000 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 04:22:27 2007 From: drden2000 at hotmail.com (D T) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:22:27 -0700 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <200709031918.16920.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200709031918.16920.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: My XP never crashed at all. it ran good but... I just got tired of having to re-install it every year or 2 because of a virus or something weird happening. Plus I got tired of MS "have to upgrade mindset. Oh ok? now we are no longer supporting XP so now upgrade and pay another $200.00." That stinks. I think the "prove it's a copy you paid for" attitude is crap too. I mean do I really have to prove it to them 3 times. Next they are going to require a DNA sample with it. Regardless of all those things. I still cannot print. I've downloaded several things to try to make it print and they are just sitting on the desktop. I did get instructions about how to do it but It's like 10 different steps that make no sense to me. I mean Gee I just want to install a printer so my computer can print. That is about as basic and simple as it gets. I mean this is like getting gas in your car simple. EXCEPT with Linux it's first go find some gas somewhere... Then hire a special truck to go get it... then change trucks to one that can put it in the gas tank at the station... Find a pump somewhere, hook it up... Then get a special valve to fit my car, then get someone else to pump it that has a "pumper license open source!" not the "open source pumper license" or the "open source license pumper" I'm glad you are happy with it. You were forced to go it because of your lock-ups, and they were worse than learning a new OS to you. For me it is worse trying to learn all the special little open source names that make no sense, so many choices that none make sense than to pay $200.00 every 1 to 2 years and re-installing MS because of virus or whatever?... killed my Windows. At least I can install it, make my printers work, do all the basic stuff pretty good. Thanks for the help and good luck! I think I am done with Linux for another 2 years or so. Slap that cake back in the oven cause it's not done yet. > From: werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: installing print drivers > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:18:16 +0100 > > On Monday 03 September 2007 05:51:13 D T wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm new to Linux but I know MS windows very well. I have tried to go to > > Linux at least 5 times in the last 10 years. It seems that I am cursed for > > not being able to do anything in Linux. I've tried to install my printer, > > a Canon pixma IP3000 and failed. So then I tried my Nieces Dell 1110 Laser > > and failed again. Then I went to the old shed to pull out the Brother MFC > > 3820-CN that my Brother-in-law kept stored, failed again. I cannot > > remember all the new terms with Linux so I need to print out the sheets I > > find in Google. So can anyone tell me a simple way to get a printer > > installed on Kububtu? I have a > > file:///home/dt/Desktop/iP4200_Linux_260.tar.gz Canon japan driver > > IP4200??? that some say will work but I cant get it to install. I can see > > it with the program that works like (Win-Rar, Win-Zip) but it wont install, > > It's actually the extension .RPM (fedora Package)? Then I found out I > > need to open it with a package installer but I dont have the one that > > Ubuntu guide has (the one under "system settings" -> "administration"). > > > > I find it so hard to use this stuff the way it is. Do I really have to > > find a Japanese driver then open it to view it, then get a separate package > > installer to install it? Will it go in then? Or is there more to do than > > this? There has got to be one installer that does them all? right? Is > > there really no drivers (in America?) for a Canon IP 3000, a Dell 1110 and > > a Brother 3820CN? These are all very common printers are they not? Canon > > has a driver for some of the printer but not mine and the are .tz > > extension. I'm so frustrated, I hate MS with passion but ... 3 days and > > all I have is only the stuff that came on the original cd I downloaded and > > burned. I even went back to my 4 year old computer (it ran the "live cd's) > > because I couldn't install most of the stuff (drivers) on a new system it > > would just lock up. My 18 month old $2000.00 Dell 9400 ATI x1400, 17" > > ultra bright LCD, 2.0 gig dual core intel cpu, 2 gig ram, 100 gig 7200 rpm > > hd. wont even come up with the "live" CD (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, fedora, > > Dream-linux, Kororag, Puppy-linux, freespire, suse10.2. Well at least this > > time I can get on the internet, first time that has happened so I must be > > getting better, trying to stay positive, I would love to leave MS. Any > > help will be appreciated. If not? I'll wait another 2 years and try it > > again. > > > > Thank-you! > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Explore the seven wonders of the world > > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE > > Unfortunately, Hewlett Packard seem to be the only printer manufacturer to > take Linux seriously - most if not all distros, including Ubuntu and Kubuntu > come with the HPLIP toolkit which is usually quicker and easier to use than > fiddling around with the Windows driver CD for the same models. I have a PSC > 2115 and a Photosmart 320 connected to my machine and they've never given me > any trouble. > I also have a Canon Pixma i4200 which I couldn't find any useful drivers for > until I discovered Turboprint for Linux. While I firmly believe in open > source software, I'm prepared to sacrifice my principles when necessary, as > long as it's not too expensive. You can get a commercial driver for the > IP3000 at http://www.turboprint.de/english.html. - there is a deb package > available for Debian/Ubuntu, and the installation instructions are clearly > explained on the website. You can download a free trial version (which will > print an irritating banner at random across whatever you print), but this > will (a) show you that it's really not that difficult to install a printer > driver, and (b) can be converted to the full version by paying 29.95 euros > (about 38 USD) for the keyfile. I'm afraid I can't help with the Dell or the > Brother, have you tried googling? > BTW you won't have the installer mentioned in the Ubuntu guide as this Ubuntu > uses the Gnome desktop. The installer in Kubuntu is Adept. You can install a > tar.gz file with the console on either version. You CAN'T install a package > ending in .rpm straight onto Ubuntu or Kubuntu as rpm packages are actually > designed for use with Fedora, Suse Linux, and their derivatives. However, you > can convert rpm packages to deb packages (and vice versa) using a command > line program called alien. But that's another story > Don't give up. I was driven insane by Windows 98, which crashed so often I was > in danger of losing customers (I was a freelance translator at the time), and > switched to Suse Linux in 2001, even though I didn't know much about > computers. Since then I've learnt a lot, although I'm no expert. I use > Kubuntu because I like KDE, and because for some reason I can't fathom, > Kubuntu runs much better than either Fedora or SuSe Linux on my main 64-bit > PC (a very old Dell and even older HP are running the latest 32-bit versions > of Kubuntu and Suse respectively quite happily). > Win XP stinks - I have to use it at work, and it crashes at least twice a > day... > Rod > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drden2000 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 04:43:48 2007 From: drden2000 at hotmail.com (D T) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:43:48 -0700 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <200709030536.16081.Scott@scotttesterman.com> References: <200709030536.16081.Scott@scotttesterman.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response. I already tried that several times but could not make them work. I tried installing the Samsung ML-1610 driver too and no success. I downloaded the Brother driver several times but could only get errors trying to install. I tried the Canon drivers for other printers but that failed too. Is splix available through adept? I searched it and cannot find it. Thanks for the help but I have spent 4 days on this, over 30 hours just to get a printer to print, any 3 of the ones I have. I have not had good luck with Linux. I still have copies of red hat from '96, gentoo from '98, Caldera from '00, something from '02, 5 different ones in '04/'05 and now Ubuntu/Kubuntu from '07. I'm going back to virus-prone, memory hogging, money-hungry Windows again. Thanks for your help again. I really do appreciate you trying to help me. Good luck to you. > From: Scott at scotttesterman.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: installing print drivers > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:36:15 -0400 > > Printing on Linux seems to be the only area where Linux can't really begin to > compete with Windows. This is entirely due to the manufacturers and their > support or lack thereof. > > Canon USA's consumer division has been a nightmare, in my experience, with > regards to Linux. Even after parent company Canon Japan released Linux > driver packages, the USA division refused to even acknowledge their > existence. This means that you could get your printer to work fine, as long > as you could read Japanese. Interestingly, most of the Canon commercial line > have Linux drivers of one kind or another available. Keep the printer if you > still want to use it in Windows (they're great printers, btw) but otherwise > you may as well sell it and cease to support Canon until they support you. > > That Dell 1110 is a Samsung that they didn't even bother to disguise in a Dell > black tux, and Samsung printers work quite well, even having official support > from Samsung. Linuxprinting.org reports that the ML-1610 built-in driver > works in 600x600 resolution, which IIRC is the max for the 1110, so you'll > probably get great output. You won't get any function out of the Dell toner > management system, which means you'll have to take the trouble of noticing of > your toner has run out. :-D Samsung's official drivers can break scanning > on your Kubuntu system unless you're using an all-in-one Samsung, so I can't > recommend them unless you're OK with that or willing to fix the permissions > issues. > > Another excellent suggestion for your Dellsung is Splix, a set of open source > Samsung drivers. (Splix is available in Adept, although it's a slightly old > version.) Splix supports my Samsung ML-2250 better than the official Samsung > drivers, even enabling 1200dpi printing. The only caveat is that envelopes > print with a bizarre barcode-like gibberish around the outer edges, but this > appears to be a per-printer problem, so your model may work perfectly. I > have a second copy of my printer installed using PCL6 that I use solely for > envelopes and keep the Splix copy for the bells and whistles. > > Brother is another manufacturer who seems to have seen the light and is > working hard to support Linux across their entire line. I can report a > complete lack of success in trying to get the Brother driver installed on a > friend's Kubuntu system, but it was a very low-end laser, so a generic PCL > install worked quite well, albeit without any 1200dpi support. If you want > to give Brother's official driver a shot, you can find it here: > > http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install2.html > > _______________ > Scott > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drden2000 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 05:34:03 2007 From: drden2000 at hotmail.com (D T) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:34:03 -0700 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? Message-ID: Hello Ubuntu and kubuntu programmers Just some questions and suggestions. I'm a newbie Linux user, or I should say "tried to be". I have been with MS when-does (Windows) since 3.0 I have owned all of the OS MS has put out since it started. But, I have tried to switch to Linux many times. It might be smart to have a Windows user try to setup your Kubuntu / Ubuntu OS. Not just install it but try to setup a printer driver that they would have to download. Or setup their router properly, or share files between Linux and MS. I think you'd really get some good input to improve your OS by doing this. To all the 'Linux is better' people out there that say 'He's a newbie! He don't know anything!' I say, 'Remember everyone starts as a newbie' and if the 'newbies' like me? cant stay with Linux long enough to become experienced then it will go away eventually. Now a simple Question to all the Linux programmers out there? Why can't Kubuntu get the drivers from where it gets the applications. Just make a "Drivers" area?... Get all the drivers for all the Distro's? Put them in one place. So it would be 'add/remove Programs/DRIVERS' OS goes out to the web. Then you go to the 'DRIVERS' directory, then go to 'PRINTERS'. Cant it be that way? What about an application that works with Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse and "whatever others" that are different to work INSTALLING to whatever Distro? Something that combines "alien with apt-get or adept"? Program it to make a .tz and .RPM (or whatever) to work with (whatever) Distro I have. If it is 'Open-source' then the "Application" should be able to tell the difference between them. Why don't they (programmers) make the Distro's work together easier? Is it possible to give Ubuntu / Kubuntu an option that looks like the desktop of "When-does" (Windows) even more than Free-spire? With a similar "File manager and similar (My Computer, My documents, Control Panel) icons"? For the Newbies that want to switch but need more time to learn? I know that MS Word came out with a way that law offices could switch from "Word Perfect" by making "Word" work like WP. 40% switched. What good is all the freedom of choices, open-source, free applications, everybody holding hands singing "He's got the world in his hands" if beginners can't even set up their OS to work a printer. Remember how it was when you started. How long did it take you? How'd you learn? A class? A friend? Could you set up everything? Yes I am a Newbie! You were too at one time. Thank-you! Newbie (that has tried to switch about 6 times in the last 10 years.) _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 06:07:55 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:07:55 +0200 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First of all I was a MS Windows user too. I made the switch and don't know why you can't. Maybe you can tell us and we could help you? Yes, there have been times when it was hard and also a year when I duel booted until I was good enough and Linux was good enough to make a full switch. Making Linux look like windows with the "MY" everything could be done but I for one have always thought that was the worst sort of egocentric naming ever. I am glad that I don't have to see it here much. Next as for making everything the same. Yes, it would make like easier and is a good thing in some ways but there is a reason that there are about 400 distros on distrowatch. It is because many people feel that things should be done some special way. So what do you want? It all to be the same or do you want it to be just right for you? With that in mind there are distros that are just for people like you, ones that try to be MS without getting sued off the planet and also Linux at the same time. Look on distrowatch and find one. And the last point of things not working. I too have problems with printers. I am having one now. My printer will not work at all and it did work last year with Kubuntu. I have asked for help here and no one could help me. This is life with Linux. The printer was free and would be nice if I could make it work. 5 years ago it was much worse. It has become so much better that many people as starting to switch to Linux but I for one still see Linux as a bit to young for this. Maybe in 2 more years with the way things are going it will be 90% closer to that goal than now. In the mean time watching it grow up is almost as exciting as watching my kids grow up. One last thought. If you want a computer to run Linux then buy a Linux computer (one that has Linux certified parts, look at redhats site for a list: https://hardware.redhat.com/ ). You would not expect MS to run on Apples would you? One last though, Yes, Linux can do a lot to get better and become much easier to use. Also when you write software 10% of the time is is the writing. 90% is in the polishing and debugging and that does not include writing the documentation. To all the programmers out there, please work on making better documentation because this is where I see the real failing on many projects. Also to everyone, please date all written docs. I can't tell you how many times I have found just what I need, only to find out it was written 10 years before and does not work anymore. I would be great to have a way to search for docs that are only for the version that you are using at that time. Fantasy, right? All in all I think Linux is doing very well for a $ free system. You all so could pay for help you know (Redhat etc). Douglas PS I have never used Redhad and don't work for them. LOL From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Tue Sep 4 06:21:14 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:21:14 +0200 Subject: Weeding out duplicate odt/doc files Message-ID: <46DCF95A.8060407@bluewin.ch> I have this box equipped with a single 40GB harddrive shared by Win98SE / SuSE9.2 / Kubuntu 7.04. There are two partitions that harbor respectively Kubuntu (hda3 - ext3 - 11GB) and SuSE9.2 (hda5 - ext3 - 13GB). While the contents of these two partitions differ considerably from one another, hda5 still contains several hundred text files (some Word docs, some OO odt's) that are identical with files on hda3. I'm going to continue working with Kubuntu (my favorite distro) but must clear the SuSE partition to make room for other stuff. The idea is to delete any duplicate text/doc versions from hda5 (SuSE) and move all the non-duplicate ones to hda3 (Kubuntu) before I reformat hda5. For good measure I've backed up the /home folders of both distros and some other items like e.g. Thunderbird profiles. My question: is there a good way of determining which text/doc files are identical across the two distros (by filename and modification date, or by content), short of doing it manually? Any help will be thankfully appreciated jdh _________________ kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 4 07:45:41 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:45:41 +0100 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070904084541.409a3e1a@mepis1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:34:03 -0700 D T wrote: > Now a simple Question to all the Linux programmers out there? Why > can't Kubuntu get the drivers from where it gets the applications. > Just make a "Drivers" area?... Get all the drivers for all the > Distro's? Put them in one place. So it would be 'add/remove > Programs/DRIVERS' OS goes out to the web. Then you go to the > 'DRIVERS' directory, then go to 'PRINTERS'. Cant it be that way? > What about an application that works with Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse and > "whatever others" that are different to work INSTALLING to whatever > Distro? Something that combines "alien with apt-get or adept"? > Program it to make a .tz and .RPM (or whatever) to work with > (whatever) Distro I have. [snipped] I am not a Linux programmer/developer, but I am a Linux user exclusively, so I'll try to answer some of your questions. For a more comprehensive account, I'm afraid you will have to read a book such as "Rebel Code" by Glyn Moody, which is the story of the development of Linux. There is a system which will work with all distros: compiling the source code from scratch. However, package management tools to make that basic facility easier for users have evolved (.rpm, .deb, etc). Slackware still uses this basic system (with one or two improvements). Printer drivers for all distros are housed in certain libraries which you can download depending on the package management system your distro uses, and install them. The problem is that you can't download anything that isn't available and often manufacturers will not work with the Linux community to produce drivers for our operating system. And there are patents in place, or other licensing restrictions, which quite often prevent developers from producing code. So this prevents code being "lumped together" because law suits against code developers are not unknown (see the libdvdcss saga for an example). In these cases it is the manufacturers who are myopic: there's a whole community of users who could be a new market for them if only they'd work with our community. Since you have posted this on the Kubuntu users list, I presume you are a Kubuntu user, and can download code for all version of the Ubuntu family and it will work in your distro. The Ubuntu family is a fork of Debian, which works in the same basic way: you download a Linux kernel and other basic system tools then you can download all the software you want from the repositories. The software will be packaged in a form your distro can install automatically (similar to the Windows .exe system). Any distro using the Debian repositories (Knoppix, Shift Linux, etc) will be able to download the software available. In Debian at any rate, there are very clear rules about how software gets assigned different "labels" within repositories and this is another reason why software would not get lumped together. You have asked that Linux looks and feels more like Windows, but they are two operating systems which are fundamentally different in the way they work. The KDE desktop is about as Windows-like as you're likely to get given the copyright, patent, and other licensing issues: put it bluntly, Micro$oft won't allow it. But there is no reason why we should follow the Redmond giant. The Ubuntu family produce CDs (or CD .iso) that contain free software, that is free as in freedom, free from licensing constraints (except the GPL and other Open Source libraries) which can be used anywhere in the world. If you have the ability, you can rewrite an application or amend the source code and offer it to others (providing the source code accompanies it). Micro$oft doesn't work that way: they sell you a licence to USE their software under certain circumstances (you don't own it), and there's no chance of altering/improving their code because it is closed-source, so you are totally in their hands. As a newbie, you have come to Linux expecting it to be like Windows. In the old days of computing, you chose the hardware to work with whatever software you were using. You can get secondhand printers very cheaply these days, so why not Google to find which printers work with Kubuntu "out of the box" and get one to work with the operating system of your choice if that is the only problem you have. When I was a Linux newbie (about 10 years ago now), I was suffering the effects of a stroke and I deliberately wanted to use an operating system with lots of command-line use because I was trying to use and co-ordinate my hand movements and not become totally paralysed. I had to learn and there was nobody around to show me, so I had to learn from the 'net and most of the information came from nntp newsgroups and also irc channels. After a while I was teaching Linux to other disabled people in my Stroke Club. One day, a local computer company donated some Windows PCs: disabled people who had never used a computer before they used Linux were totally floored by Windows. The feedback I got was that it was difficult and illogical to use, so could they please go back to Red Hat Linux? They couldn't understand why Windows couldn't be taken off (the donating company had said they would maintain the machines for free - as long as Windows was running on them), and Linux returned. This is much the same as your position, but in reverse. Modern variants of Windows are very good at what they do. If it is absolutely necessary to use one application that runs in Windows only, use Windows. Kubuntu and other Linux variants are good at what they (can) do, so if you like them, move to Linux - or get multiple computers - or dual boot in some way. HTH - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG3Q03thMHx1h/UZYRAp3qAJ910pTWnwNit5/nScNF5n2R8p72gQCfUC2X Uiw+83fMvRKekVknaTmN+Ck= =B8pR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 08:06:24 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:06:24 +0200 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DD1200.3020507@gmail.com> I am sure your source code for the suggested ideas will be gratefully accepted. I am not being facetious, but you need to give Gnu/Linux a little more time to sink into your bones. It's not perfect. It's not ideal. It's a bunch of hard work done (mostly) selflessly by other people and that's the spirit in which it should be used. /d From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 4 11:09:00 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:09:00 -0500 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DD3CCC.2050606@swbell.net> I've been toying with Linux for about four years. I dual booted at first and just used Linux when I didn't have anything in particular to do for a while. About two years ago I felt comfortable enough to make the switch to Linux 99.9999% of the time. Was it always easy? NO!!!!!! Was it always fun? NO!!!! BUT, I hung in there and learned over time. After all this time I still consider myself very much a "newbie". There are still things I have trouble with. Right now I have a printer problem also. It will print like a charm in the setup "test print" but no application will print right. Still fumbling around with it. In OpenSuSE, on the same machine, it works a treat. I haven't been to the list yet because I still have things I want to try on my own. I look at it as a learning experience. Next time around it will make things a little easier. I still have issues with CLI. I started a "how-to" text file that I can copy CLI commands to for later reference. This isn't Windows. You have control of your computer. Not Redmond. [ If you don't believe they have control of your computer read the EULA.] If you seriously want to make the switch I would suggest you dual boot for a while at least. Or maybe better yet set it up on a second computer. That way you are not desperate to make something work. You have time to get used to things. Maybe break it a few times [ I certainly did it a bunch my first year or so. ]. Every time you break it and have to start over you learn something new. On this computer I have OpenSuSE, Kubuntu, and XP. I probably haven't booted into the XP drive for three months. I have a second computer sitting here that shares the keyboard, monitor, and mouse that has OpenSuSE and XP. Quite often it will be sitting there idling in XP for weeks on end. You see, there are still a few things I haven't found a Linux replacement for. Don't give up. Just work at it smarter. Have patience. Rome wasn't built in a day. You aren't going to be a Linux expert in one either. I figure in about another ten years I will [ might ] get out of "newbie" status. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 4 11:58:32 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:58:32 -0400 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: References: <20070903081525.7b70b36b@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200709040758.32676.david.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 03 September 2007 11:40:30 pm D T wrote: > Thank-you!I'll wait a couple of more years > and try Linux again. Hopefully by then it will work easier. Thanks again > for your help. Sounds like you have given up to easily. Why not just periodically boot into linux on your spare time and mess around with it instead of giving up all together? I think being persistant is the key to switching from MS to Linux. Join your local LUG, I bet they could help tremendously. All in all, don't just give up. -- David M. From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 4 12:09:58 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:09:58 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) Message-ID: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> Hi all, Apologies to the list mod for accidentally sending this to the request list. Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this list. Can anyone give me some help here. I am completely stumped. My desktop computer keeps shutting down when anything too much is done on it. the system log says it is overheating. But here is where I am completely stumped kubuntu is reporting my system temperature as -270 C (-454 F) which in my opinion would be the hardest block of ice on earth and when it shuts down, the system log says the temp was critical at -264 C. In my opinion it's still darn frozen. I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it sounds like a no brainer. My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so there is no need to switch the fan on. I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this issue, but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a solution. Anyone have any ideas? -- David M. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 12:18:05 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:18:05 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> Damn, this is a first! An underheating processor. :) Sorry, I don't mean to laugh at your predicament, but it is a little amusing. I would check the BIOS first, there might be something you can do in there. What about changing the fan? /d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 12:27:44 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:27:44 +0200 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: <46DD3CCC.2050606@swbell.net> References: <46DD3CCC.2050606@swbell.net> Message-ID: > 9/4/07, Billie Walsh wrote: >You see, there are still a few things I haven't found a > Linux replacement for. Just wondering what it is you still must use XP for? Douglas From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 12:29:50 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:29:50 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: What about dust? I have to clean my CPU about 4 times a year. Also what type of computer are you running? Douglas From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 12:44:48 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:44:48 +0200 Subject: Free nvidia drivers need help!! Message-ID: I just read this artical http://www.linux.com/feature/118833 about making the Free Nvidia drivers and then look at this page http://people.freedesktop.org/~jpakkane/ren/ You can see what card you have by looking at the output of this command to get the PCI ID. You can obtain this with the command lspci -n Hard to read but it seems to be that last number on my system. 07:00.0 0300: 10de:0392 (rev a1) So for me it was: 0392 G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] Thu Aug 23 23:26:00 2007 To find this in the list just use alt F in firefox and then type your card type after being on the web page with the list of course. If you don't know your card type then look in system info under openGL or when the system boots. As you can see almost 1/2 of the cards have never been seen by the group. I am willing to bet that someone on this list has those missing cards and can help them out. This is any easy way to help Linux out without being some great programmer. One of the main reasons we don't have very flashy 3d desktops is because the free drivers are not out there for us to use to make it happen. If you have these cards please help them out. Also if you are on some other list like this maybe you could ask them to help to. Together we can make it happen. Douglas From Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de Tue Sep 4 14:13:02 2007 From: Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de (Michael Zoet) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:13:02 +0200 Subject: Weeding out duplicate odt/doc files In-Reply-To: <46DCF95A.8060407@bluewin.ch> References: <46DCF95A.8060407@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <46DD67EE.3010008@michaelzoet.de> > I have this box equipped with a single 40GB harddrive shared by > Win98SE / SuSE9.2 / Kubuntu 7.04. > There are two partitions that harbor respectively Kubuntu (hda3 - ext3 > - 11GB) and SuSE9.2 (hda5 - ext3 - 13GB). > While the contents of these two partitions differ considerably from > one another, hda5 still contains several hundred text files (some Word > docs, some OO odt's) that are identical with files on hda3. > I'm going to continue working with Kubuntu (my favorite distro) but > must clear the SuSE partition to make room for other stuff. > The idea is to delete any duplicate text/doc versions from hda5 (SuSE) > and move all the non-duplicate ones to hda3 (Kubuntu) before I > reformat hda5. > For good measure I've backed up the /home folders of both distros and > some other items like e.g. Thunderbird profiles. > My question: is there a good way of determining which text/doc files > are identical across the two distros (by filename and modification > date, or by content), short of doing it manually? There are some nice tools to get the work done: cmp - compare two files byte by byte on the command line diff - compare files line by line on the command line Please see "man cmp" and "man diff" for the full feature set. These are the old school Unix tools every Unix/Linux system should have. With diff you can compare hole directories: diff With compare you have to provide every file by hand. Or make use of a loop (for, while, etc.) on the command line or write a shell script. If you like GUIs more: last week I stumpled over a KDE programm called "komparator": "Komparator is a KDE application that allows the user to search two directories and synchronize them interactively. Unlike other (command line) tools the user has intuitive control over what is done." I tested it once and it seems to work. Install it with "sudo apt-get install komparator". Also there are two other tools specializing in directory and file synchronisation: rsync - command line only. Install it with "sudo apt-get install rsync" unison - command line and GUI programm. Install it with "sudo apt-get install unison" for the command line and "sudo apt-get install unison-gtk" for the GUI version. ATTENTION: please read the manual pages before using rsync or unison and make backup copies of the directories for the first use. If you do something wrong you might delete your files! For your problem I would use unison. Greetings, Michael P.S.: the manual page for unision is build in. Type "unison -doc topics" on a command line to get the topics and "unison -doc tutorial | less" for the tutorial. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 15:00:28 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:00:28 -0700 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Isn't there some Windows-GUI clone version of Linux? You know, the one that looks identical down to the very start menu? I remember reading about it, though for the life of me I can't remember the name. From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 4 15:02:33 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:02:33 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709041102.33534.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 8:18:05 am Donn wrote: > Damn, this is a first! An underheating processor. :) Sorry, I don't mean > to laugh at your predicament, but it is a little amusing. I find it amusing too. According to Kubuntu I should have a block of ice sitting there. > > I would check the BIOS first, there might be something you can do in > there. What about changing the fan? I've checked the BIOS. There is nothing in there at all related to temperature. -- David M. From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 4 15:06:17 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:06:17 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709041106.17250.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 8:29:50 am Knapp wrote: > What about dust? I have to clean my CPU about 4 times a year. Dust has been taken care of. > > Also what type of computer are you running? It's just a stock e-machine with a celron processor with onboard graphics etc. It's just a basic computer. > > Douglas -- David M. From harold_hartley at verizon.net Tue Sep 4 15:11:29 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:11:29 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DD75A1.9000601@verizon.net> Chris Miller wrote: > Isn't there some Windows-GUI clone version of Linux? You know, the > one that looks identical down to the very start menu? I remember > reading about it, though for the life of me I can't remember the name. > > If you want a windows type linux, then you might want to check out http://www.linux-xp.com Harold From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 15:21:50 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:21:50 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709041106.17250.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> <200709041106.17250.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709040821x5f37b8c8g4f4f4954438b757c@mail.gmail.com> > > What about dust? I have to clean my CPU about 4 times a year. > > Dust has been taken care of. > > > > Also what type of computer are you running? > > It's just a stock e-machine with a celron processor with onboard graphics etc. > It's just a basic computer. > > > Douglas > -- > David M. > Did you install and configure the lm-sensors package ? That should give you an accurate report of what the temperatures are for the sensors that are installed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780 Unfortunately it's a bit complicated, but if you're really worried it'll be worth the trouble. And the directions are pretty easy to follow. -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 16:16:53 2007 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:16:53 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it is called lindows On 9/4/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > Isn't there some Windows-GUI clone version of Linux? You know, the > one that looks identical down to the very start menu? I remember > reading about it, though for the life of me I can't remember the name. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 16:17:48 2007 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:17:48 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe Freedows ? something like that On 9/4/07, Phil Pinkerton wrote: > > I think it is called lindows > > On 9/4/07, Chris Miller wrote: > > > > Isn't there some Windows-GUI clone version of Linux? You know, the > > one that looks identical down to the very start menu? I remember > > reading about it, though for the life of me I can't remember the name. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted.frater at virgin.net Tue Sep 4 16:30:24 2007 From: ted.frater at virgin.net (Ted Frater) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:30:24 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46DD8820.1090806@virgin.net> David McGlone wrote: >Hi all, > >Apologies to the list mod for accidentally sending this to the request list. > >Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this list. > >Can anyone give me some help here. I am completely stumped. My desktop >computer keeps shutting down when anything too much is done on it. the system >log says it is overheating. But here is where I am completely stumped kubuntu >is reporting my system temperature as -270 C (-454 F) which in my opinion >would be the hardest block of ice on earth and when it shuts down, the system >log says the temp was critical at -264 C. In my opinion it's still darn >frozen. > >I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it sounds >like a no brainer. > >My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on again. >I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so there is no >need to switch the fan on. > >I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this issue, but >none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a solution. > >Anyone have any ideas? > > As its not much use as it is, why not connect the fan wires to the appropriate voltage line that feeds one of the other items, like cd rom. that has a 5 volt and a 12 v line input. your fan will then run all the time but at least your pc will run. Youll need to check the voltage with a meter it will be either 5 or 12 v. also chewck the polarity as its dc. Let us know how you get on. From brombo at comcast.net Tue Sep 4 16:42:33 2007 From: brombo at comcast.net (Alan Bromborsky) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:42:33 -0400 Subject: Video Output from Laptop Message-ID: <46DD8AF9.2060004@comcast.net> I have a Dell laptop with an intel i945 video card. The laptop has three video outputs a DVI connector, S-video connector, and a D-sub connector. Is it possible, without additional hardware (except for a DVI to HDMI cable), to software configure x11 to produce a 1080i signal to display my laptop output on my TV? From miron.florea at web.de Tue Sep 4 16:51:24 2007 From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:51:24 +0300 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709041951.24540.miron.florea@web.de> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 19:17:48 Phil Pinkerton wrote: > Maybe Freedows ? something like that > Close... It's called Freespire now (http://www.freespire.org) There is also a pay-for version called Linspire (was formerly known as Lindows till Microsoft kicked in) From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 17:06:33 2007 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:06:33 -0400 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <200709040758.32676.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <20070903081525.7b70b36b@graham-desktop> <200709040758.32676.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0709041006l7274d497yf3764d1000bb1419@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/07, David McGlone wrote: > > On Monday 03 September 2007 11:40:30 pm D T wrote: > > Thank-you!I'll wait a couple of more years > > and try Linux again. Hopefully by then it will work easier. Thanks > again > > for your help. > > Sounds like you have given up to easily. Why not just periodically boot > into > linux on your spare time and mess around with it instead of giving up all > together? > > I think being persistant is the key to switching from MS to Linux. > > Join your local LUG, I bet they could help tremendously. > > All in all, don't just give up. > > -- > David M. > > -- > I dual boot xp and linux. My main os is still xp but I am learning linux > in a gradual mode and conceptualize it more like a good puzzle to keep my > mind from ossifying. I am slowly getting the hang of it without the > pressure of having to do it all right now for a report due tomorrow. By the > time everyone is forced into that bloated drm crippled vista I dont expect > to need ms anymore. I did not learn dos or win in a few days either. Try a > gradual unforced approach. Right now I do all my internet browsing and > email on linux as well as word processing. (I was lucky my antique hp > lasserjet 4 ran out of the box and my next printer will be one supported by > linux also) Right now my big trouble area is getting my hdtv capture card > to work and linux is still short on the video programs I need so I will > continue to use xp for that unless I set up a virtual machine. I am a > psychologist and none of this comes easy to me but I am fortunate that my > profession has shown me the value of patience and gradual movement. Uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 17:13:31 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:13:31 -0600 Subject: current kernel source package? Message-ID: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> Argh! Running amd64 dapper. I installed the recent kernel update and forgot that I also have to install the new sources manually in order to get the nvidia driver to work on the updated system. So now I am stuck with only the terminal interface, and I can't remember the correct package name to get the new kernel sources (so I can build the nvidia driver package for the updated system). Can someone please tell me the correct command to get the sources so I can get a graphical system again? (1. I read the apt-get man page, but I didn't see anything that looked useful. 2. I trued using GRUB to boot into the old version of the system, but for some reason thae mouse no longer works, so it's pretty useless.) From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 17:30:22 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:30:22 -0600 Subject: current kernel source package? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <256f4e900709041030i35e508bby91d691b8bb6f741e@mail.gmail.com> On 04/09/07, D. R. Evans wrote: > Argh! > > Running amd64 dapper. > > I installed the recent kernel update and forgot that I also have to > install the new sources manually in order to get the nvidia driver to > work on the updated system. > > So now I am stuck with only the terminal interface, and I can't > remember the correct package name to get the new kernel sources (so I > can build the nvidia driver package for the updated system). > > Can someone please tell me the correct command to get the sources so I > can get a graphical system again? > > (1. I read the apt-get man page, but I didn't see anything that looked useful. > 2. I trued using GRUB to boot into the old version of the system, but > for some reason thae mouse no longer works, so it's pretty useless.) > Never mind... I booted into the nv driver and then enough worked that I could download the headers for the update, so I could build the new kernel module. From prlewis at letterboxes.org Tue Sep 4 17:30:51 2007 From: prlewis at letterboxes.org (Peter Lewis) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:30:51 +0100 Subject: KNotes not being saved. Message-ID: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> Hi all, I wonder if anyone might be able to help me figure out what's going on here. with knotes. I haven't ever really used knotes before, but noticed that it was running the other day, so clicked on it and wrote down some stuff that I needed to. The day after, when I turned on my computer, I noticed that the note had disappeared. I clicked "show all notes" and it wasn't there. Firstly, I thought that I must have forgotten to save it or something, but then noticed that there wasn't an option to (other than to export the note) and that instead it used its own KDE resource. I have all my KDE resources set to use an IMAP folder through kmail, and this works fine for my calendar and to-dos. Checking the IMAP folder labelled "notes", I notice that there is an item created at the time I wrote the note, but I can't read it in kmail, and knotes doesn't seem to be loading it. Can anyone help? Thanks! Pete. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 4 17:38:35 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:38:35 +0100 Subject: current kernel source package? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DD981B.1010101@tiscali.co.uk> D. R. Evans wrote: > Argh! > > Running amd64 dapper. > > I installed the recent kernel update and forgot that I also have to > install the new sources manually in order to get the nvidia driver to > work on the updated system. > > So now I am stuck with only the terminal interface, and I can't > remember the correct package name to get the new kernel sources (so I > can build the nvidia driver package for the updated system). > > Can someone please tell me the correct command to get the sources so I > can get a graphical system again? > > (1. I read the apt-get man page, but I didn't see anything that looked useful. > 2. I trued using GRUB to boot into the old version of the system, but > for some reason thae mouse no longer works, so it's pretty useless.) > > sudo apt-get install linux-source (or aptitude if you prefer that...) should drag in the source package for the latest version in your arch. There's also linux-headers... which may serve the same purpose for the nVidia driver module. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 17:59:22 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:59:22 -0600 Subject: current kernel source package? In-Reply-To: <46DD981B.1010101@tiscali.co.uk> References: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> <46DD981B.1010101@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <46DD9CFA.2020201@gmail.com> Wulfy said the following at 09/04/2007 11:38 AM : > > There's also linux-headers... which may serve the same purpose for the > nVidia driver module. Yep, that's the one that I tried, and indeed it was sufficient. Thanks very much. I am hopeful that in more recent versions of kubuntu than dapper this is handled more automatically. It's far too easy for me to forget to get the new headers after getting a kernel update :-( (Since 8.04 is supposed to be the next Ubuntu LTS version, I expect to be making that move next year, and I do hope that this will be a thing of the past at that point.) From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 4 18:50:22 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:50:22 +0300 Subject: Scribus Apt-Key Problem In-Reply-To: <20070903155652.4bf5df4f@graham-desktop> References: <20070831234614.090cdea0@graham-desktop> <46D8F268.9080001@rmk.co.il> <20070901063421.1115727c@graham-desktop> <46DBD0F4.8040302@rmk.co.il> <20070903155652.4bf5df4f@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <46DDA8EE.5070207@rmk.co.il> Graham Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:16:36 +0300 > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> No new signature. I uploaded experimental 1.3.5svn packages for Debian >> unstable and testing into repos and forgot to sign the release files. >> It should be ok now. Sorry about that. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alex. >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel > > Sorry, Nigel, still doesn't work. > > I reloaded the key into gpg via kgpg and then exported it as > scribus.asc. I then did: > > sudo apt-key add scribus.asc > > and it showed OK > > Then I did: > > sudo apt-get update > > and then got this error message: > > W: GPG error: http://debian.scribus.net feisty Release: The following > signatures were invalid: BADSIG 5BC4CFB8EEF818CF Scribus Debian Archive > Signing Key > > I'll try it again tomorrow to see if the key has been reseeded from > other keyservers. > - -- > > Graham Todd > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy > > iD8DBQFG3CDIthMHx1h/UZYRAl1gAJoCzX9RZ6KSNw+2uVSnUoI+TFapEwCeLnK4 > fBT08qaeKcxYrnKo5mQPycU= > =V5Z4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I wrote to the maintainer again (a couple of days ago) and have got a reply saying that there was a problem but that it is now fixed. I just did an 'apt-get update' and everything is fine :-) Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 18:57:03 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:57:03 -0500 Subject: current kernel source package? In-Reply-To: <46DD9CFA.2020201@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> <46DD981B.1010101@tiscali.co.uk> <46DD9CFA.2020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709041157q4cd388e8ja5333e3ca67f0f61@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/07, D. R. Evans wrote: > Wulfy said the following at 09/04/2007 11:38 AM : > > > > > There's also linux-headers... which may serve the same purpose for the > > nVidia driver module. > > Yep, that's the one that I tried, and indeed it was sufficient. Thanks very > much. > > I am hopeful that in more recent versions of kubuntu than dapper this is > handled more automatically. It's far too easy for me to forget to get the > new headers after getting a kernel update :-( (Since 8.04 is supposed to be > the next Ubuntu LTS version, I expect to be making that move next year, and > I do hope that this will be a thing of the past at that point.) > The one thing I learned about apt that I had to remember is: apt-cache search [term] Don't have to sudo it, works for everyone. Pipe that bad boy into pg so you can read it and viola, you have a package name to install. Note the search term is able to be multiple words and is case insensitive, and if necessary you can use a general search and pipe it into grep. And I don't remember what Dapper did, but now if I get a new kernel the headers come with it automatically after I'd installed them. Not sure about kernel source because I don't have that loaded. g -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From pausanias at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 19:43:35 2007 From: pausanias at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_C._Louren=E7o_de_Lima?=) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:43:35 -0300 Subject: blinking capslock and freezing Message-ID: <1b6ac7500709041243x7bb4ce0bq51559f5a23e894b3@mail.gmail.com> What does it mean when Dapper completely freezes (ctrl-alt-del, ctrl-alt-backspace, etc don't work), and capslock keeps blinking? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 4 19:48:52 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:48:52 +0100 Subject: current kernel source package? In-Reply-To: <46DD9CFA.2020201@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> <46DD981B.1010101@tiscali.co.uk> <46DD9CFA.2020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DDB6A4.3050103@tiscali.co.uk> D. R. Evans wrote: > I am hopeful that in more recent versions of kubuntu than dapper this is > handled more automatically. It's far too easy for me to forget to get the > new headers after getting a kernel update :-( (Since 8.04 is supposed to be > the next Ubuntu LTS version, I expect to be making that move next year, and > I do hope that this will be a thing of the past at that point.) > > > I'm using Feisty and all that is taken care of by linux-restricted-modules... I have an nVidia card and have had no problems with getting the right driver. I assume that when we get to the next LTS, it will have this as well... or something even better, perhaps, who knows? :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Tue Sep 4 20:30:58 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:30:58 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709031520.29741.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709030908.50724.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709031520.29741.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> # uname -r 2.6.20-16-lowlatency # I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the second HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed Kubuntu). Actually, I'm running Kubuntu and - to my astonishment - Rosegarden started without the error message... But there's another thing. When I boot into Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it won't make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. Any idea??? Laurent On Monday 03 September 2007 21:20:29 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 03 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. I downloaded the utilities from ubuntu studio but > > it still says the same thing! > > Step 1, go to a command line somewhere, and run: > > uname -r > > You should see: > > 2.6.20-16-lowlatency > > (Or whatever the most recent kernel is. Key word is the "lowlatency" > mostly.) > > > I tried with other sequencer timers, with no > > success. Below I post the output message of Rosegarden's actual sequencer > > status, in case that could contain vital infos: > > The best one to use is "(auto)" if it works. Some of the other ones can > freeze your system. I forget all the details on this stuff. It's pretty > arcane. > > > Rosegarden 1.4.0 - AlsaDriver - alsa-lib version 1.0.13 > > Also, that's a very old version, if you're up for building a newer one. I > don't think it would have any effect on this particular problem one way or > the other. I can't really remember what we've done since 1.4.0. > > Anyway, let's start here. If you have the right kernel installed, and > you've booted it, then we're looking at something more nasty. There *is* a > bug report from someone who keeps getting this message even though he is > supposed to have fixed his kernel. On SuSE, I think. So there may be some > precedent for a real problem here. > > Although I'm running Ubuntu Studio myself, and not experiencing that > problem, so chances are very high it's a config/setup issue on your system. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 20:40:49 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:40:49 -0500 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709030908.50724.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709031520.29741.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <720b310e0709041340o6fea618q38257149daee23b8@mail.gmail.com> > # uname -r > 2.6.20-16-lowlatency > # > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the second HDD > (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed Kubuntu). Actually, > I'm running Kubuntu and - to my astonishment - Rosegarden started without the > error message... But there's another thing. When I boot into Ubuntu Studio, I > get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it won't make a sound.... > XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. > > Any idea??? > Laurent > Do you mean it won't make ANY sound or that it doesn't make the sounds you expect from Kubuntu ? Did you check system sounds in the settings ? Maybe they just don't have many default sounds in Ubuntu Studio. From Scott at scotttesterman.com Tue Sep 4 20:47:12 2007 From: Scott at scotttesterman.com (T. Scott Testerman) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:47:12 -0400 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: References: <200709030536.16081.Scott@scotttesterman.com> Message-ID: <200709041647.12655.Scott@scotttesterman.com> This seems a good time to ask: are you using a current version of Kubuntu, or something older? If you return to Windows you'll definitely have to use a current version of everything to get it all to work together; you shouldn't expect less using a quality operating system. Using Canon drivers for other models is usually fruitless; Canon doesn't use exactly the same language for all models. What did linuxprinting.org say about your model? You could purchase TurboPrint, which supports pretty much all the Canon models, if it's that important to you to have a color inkjet on Linux. http://www.turboprint.info/ Have you tried the Generic PCL drivers for the Brother? Check the manual for the language support for your model. PCL is backward compatible though, so you might just start with PCL 5 and see what you get, even if your model supports 6. Splix (for Samsungs) is definitely available through Adept, and that's where I got it from this time. The first appearance of Splix is in Feisty Fawn (7.04), so if you're still using Edgy Eft you'll need to install it by hand. Full information on Splix is here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/text/splix also: apt-cache show splix Package: splix Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 816 Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers Original-Maintainer: Till Kamppeter Architecture: i386 Version: 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libcupsimage2 (>= 1.2.5), libcupsys2 (>= 1.2.7), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-31), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-31) Filename: pool/main/s/splix/splix_1.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Size: 47674 MD5sum: 3bf60652e744874e049e62e10847ef85 SHA1: 86dd9c86727928f3778fe10e8bffdaebc0853c48 SHA256: 0512f47e86c13e196c968c63aeab934a65ac346e53cf45694caae41e92a46625 Description: Driver for Samsung's SPL2 (bw) and SPLc (color) laser printers Support for printing to SPL2- and SPLc-based printers. These are most of the cheaper Samsung laser printers which do not understand standard languages like PostScript or PCL. Both monochrome (ML-15xx, ML-16xx, ML-17xx, ML-2xxx) and color (CLP-5xx, CLP-6xx) models are supported. Also some rebranded Samsungs like the Xerox Phaser 6100 work with this driver. . Note that older SPL1-based models (ML-12xx, ML-14xx) do not work. Use these printers with the older "gdi" driver which is built into ESP GhostScript. . Home Page: http://splix.ap2c.org/ Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Origin: Ubuntu In trying to get printers to work on Linux, I've only managed to utterly fail at two: a Lexmark all-in-one inkjet that I didn't even bother with since it's a known doorstop (the owner didn't care because it was free, and worth exactly as much as he paid for it), and an IBM Network Printer 17, which "supports" PCL 5 but won't print using it, or even ESC/P2 or ProPrinter. My Canon inkjet prints fine, albeit the color quality sucks unless I want to shell out for TurboPrint. I'd rather just funnel that money toward somebody who seems to care, like Samsung or HP. If you go back to Windows, I certainly feel for you. My last adventure into Windows XP as a dual-boot option sent me screaming back to Kubuntu. Windows is simply too slow and too difficult to use to get any real daily work done, and everything depends on updating something else. It's a nightmare of a system, and every time I use it I remember why I switched in the first place (the front door of my computer must still be around here somewhere!). My experience with Vista has thus far left me nonplussed. _______________ Scott On Tuesday 04 September 2007 12:43:48 am D T wrote: > Thanks for the response. I already tried that several times but could not > make them work. I tried installing the Samsung ML-1610 driver too and no > success. I downloaded the Brother driver several times but could only get > errors trying to install. I tried the Canon drivers for other printers but > that failed too. Is splix available through adept? I searched it and > cannot find it. > > Thanks for the help but I have spent 4 days on this, over 30 hours just to > get a printer to print, any 3 of the ones I have. I have not had good luck > with Linux. I still have copies of red hat from '96, gentoo from '98, > Caldera from '00, something from '02, 5 different ones in '04/'05 and now > Ubuntu/Kubuntu from '07. I'm going back to virus-prone, memory hogging, > money-hungry Windows again. Thanks for your help again. I really do > appreciate you trying to help me. Good luck to you. > > > From: Scott at scotttesterman.com > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: installing print drivers > > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:36:15 -0400 > > > > Printing on Linux seems to be the only area where Linux can't really > > begin to compete with Windows. This is entirely due to the manufacturers > > and their support or lack thereof. > > > > Canon USA's consumer division has been a nightmare, in my experience, > > with regards to Linux. Even after parent company Canon Japan released > > Linux driver packages, the USA division refused to even acknowledge their > > existence. This means that you could get your printer to work fine, as > > long as you could read Japanese. Interestingly, most of the Canon > > commercial line have Linux drivers of one kind or another available. > > Keep the printer if you still want to use it in Windows (they're great > > printers, btw) but otherwise you may as well sell it and cease to support > > Canon until they support you. > > > > That Dell 1110 is a Samsung that they didn't even bother to disguise in a > > Dell black tux, and Samsung printers work quite well, even having > > official support from Samsung. Linuxprinting.org reports that the > > ML-1610 built-in driver works in 600x600 resolution, which IIRC is the > > max for the 1110, so you'll probably get great output. You won't get any > > function out of the Dell toner management system, which means you'll have > > to take the trouble of noticing of your toner has run out. :-D > > Samsung's official drivers can break scanning on your Kubuntu system > > unless you're using an all-in-one Samsung, so I can't recommend them > > unless you're OK with that or willing to fix the permissions issues. > > > > Another excellent suggestion for your Dellsung is Splix, a set of open > > source Samsung drivers. (Splix is available in Adept, although it's a > > slightly old version.) Splix supports my Samsung ML-2250 better than the > > official Samsung drivers, even enabling 1200dpi printing. The only > > caveat is that envelopes print with a bizarre barcode-like gibberish > > around the outer edges, but this appears to be a per-printer problem, so > > your model may work perfectly. I have a second copy of my printer > > installed using PCL6 that I use solely for envelopes and keep the Splix > > copy for the bells and whistles. > > > > Brother is another manufacturer who seems to have seen the light and is > > working hard to support Linux across their entire line. I can report a > > complete lack of success in trying to get the Brother driver installed on > > a friend's Kubuntu system, but it was a very low-end laser, so a generic > > PCL install worked quite well, albeit without any 1200dpi support. If > > you want to give Brother's official driver a shot, you can find it here: > > > > http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install > >2.html > > > > _______________ > > Scott > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 20:56:17 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:56:17 -0500 Subject: installing print drivers In-Reply-To: <200709041647.12655.Scott@scotttesterman.com> References: <200709030536.16081.Scott@scotttesterman.com> <200709041647.12655.Scott@scotttesterman.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709041356ifb12695g1acf01ea96ec8654@mail.gmail.com> http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP3000 From Scott at scotttesterman.com Tue Sep 4 20:56:40 2007 From: Scott at scotttesterman.com (T. Scott Testerman) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:56:40 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709041102.33534.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD4CFD.6090804@gmail.com> <200709041102.33534.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709041656.40378.Scott@scotttesterman.com> Sorry to jump in, but I have weird sensor reporting on my M/B too, so I know a little about this. You said before that Kubuntu is reporting a temperature from your computer. I'm guessing that means you installed lm-sensors? If so, did you run sensors-detect? If you installed a package with an alarm function to help shut down your PC when it goes outside preset limits, that would explain the shutdowns. If you didn't, then it means your hardware is doing it for you, and you do have a real problem. Since some of my sensors are reversed I had to edit /etc/sensors.conf to get them in the correct order. This is probably not your problem, but keep it in mind just in case. The temperature reading in your BIOS Setup should match the output of the 'sensors' command fairly closely. If not, then it's time to edit sensors.conf. The file isn't difficult to navigate, but it could take you some time if you have to start editing a formula (again, probably not necessary; maybe just uncomment one that's already there). Good luck with your frozen PC! _______________ Scott On Tuesday 04 September 2007 11:02:33 am David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2007 8:18:05 am Donn wrote: > > Damn, this is a first! An underheating processor. :) Sorry, I don't mean > > to laugh at your predicament, but it is a little amusing. > > I find it amusing too. According to Kubuntu I should have a block of ice > sitting there. > > > I would check the BIOS first, there might be something you can do in > > there. What about changing the fan? > > I've checked the BIOS. There is nothing in there at all related to > temperature. > > > > -- > David M. From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Tue Sep 4 21:29:23 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:29:23 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709041340o6fea618q38257149daee23b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709041340o6fea618q38257149daee23b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709042329.24312.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 22:40:49 Greg Booth wrote: > > # uname -r > > 2.6.20-16-lowlatency > > # > > > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the second > > HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed Kubuntu). > > Actually, I'm running Kubuntu and - to my astonishment - Rosegarden > > started without the error message... But there's another thing. When I > > boot into Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, > > but it won't make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound > > card. > > > > Any idea??? > > Laurent > > Do you mean it won't make ANY sound or that it doesn't make the sounds > you expect from Kubuntu ? Did you check system sounds in the settings > ? Maybe they just don't have many default sounds in Ubuntu Studio. No, system sounds are fine! It's only Rosegarden that won't make the music it is expected to make! Any other multimedia software (like XMMS, or any Wave-editor) works fine with sound and all. Only Rosegarden makes no sound. Laurent -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From pausanias at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 23:00:29 2007 From: pausanias at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_C._Louren=E7o_de_Lima?=) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:00:29 -0300 Subject: unable to handle kernel paging request at address Message-ID: <1b6ac7500709041600n1b53a4c6ida334f3c16a2b3a@mail.gmail.com> Does an error such as this one a Kubuntu's bug or a kernel's bug? There is a lot of very advanced and techinical discussion about this from google, but I am unable to understand what to do exactly. Any clues? Thanks. BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at address 00e401c4 printing eip: c026a00a *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0000 [#1] Modules linked in: udf nls_cp437 isofs radeon ... etc etc etc etc ...... CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[] __alloc_skb+0x43/0x100 [] do_sync_write+0xd5/0x130 [] autoremove_wake_function|6x0/0x40 [] unix_icctl+0x6e/0xb0 [] vfs_write+0x161/0x170 [] sys_write+0x41/0x70 [] sysenter_past_esp+0x5d/0x69 ======================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 4 23:43:58 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:43:58 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709041943.59487.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > include writing the documentation. To all the programmers out there, > please work on making better documentation because this is where I see > the real failing on many projects. I keep trying to say something here without running on, and two hours later, I don't have anything simple to say on this topic. If I'm going to write an essay about the vagaries of documenting Linux projects, I may as well do it right, and publish it on a blog or something. Or better yet, figure out some way to get someone to pay me to publish it. :D The jist of it, though, is that it's a crappy and nearly impossible job. > Also to everyone, please date all > written docs. I definitely agree with this. One of my top three biggest rants. -- D. Michael McIntyre From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 23:54:05 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:54:05 -0700 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: <200709041943.59487.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709041943.59487.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: I suppose I'm in the guilty camp then (http://fsdev.net/SourceScope.html) - I haven't documented a single bit of it IIRC. It's been a while since I've touched that codebase, however. I really need to finish that project... It's really difficult to properly document code. Some bits leave you wondering how on earth someone could not understand the code that you just wrote, and those often are the parts that need documenting the most. Coders have a notorious lack on an internal barometer to tell them when to doc and when not to doc. It's not something that saying something can fix. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 5 00:05:11 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:05:11 -0400 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709031520.29741.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <200709042005.11216.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the second > HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed Kubuntu). Incidentally... Since this is the Kubuntu list, I assume you'd rather not have to use GNOME for anything. If you install "kubuntu-desktop" on top of Ubuntu Studio, you miss out on all the look and feel stuff they intend, but you get to run a normal, sensible desktop environment without all that ghastly gnomish crap everywhere. That's what I'm running myself. It started life as the Ubuntu Studio DVD, and kubuntu-desktop on top of it made it downright usable. > Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it won't > make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. Now you get to explore the complicated stuff. Run QJackCtl, get JACK working, then run QSynth, and configure it to play via JACK. My book is old, but that part should still be enough to give you a more detailed explanation of what I just said: http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2 (If it still seems complicated, that's because it is. "How do I get sound working" is my albatross.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 5 00:09:42 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:09:42 -0400 Subject: blinking capslock and freezing In-Reply-To: <1b6ac7500709041243x7bb4ce0bq51559f5a23e894b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6ac7500709041243x7bb4ce0bq51559f5a23e894b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709042009.42455.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Eduardo C. Lourenço de Lima wrote: > What does it mean when Dapper completely freezes (ctrl-alt-del, > ctrl-alt-backspace, etc don't work), and capslock keeps blinking? Thanks. It means something is horribly, horribly wrong on a deep level. The only software things that can go wrong enough to cause something like this are the kernel, and video drivers; especially if you're using the non-free NVIDIA or ATI drivers. Or it could be hardware too, or some combination thereof. Did this just start? Did you change something? If you had a stable Dapper that just suddenly began to exhibit this behavior, I'd suspect your motherboard is getting ready to tank. If you just installed for the first time, you probably need to try a different kernel, or a different video driver, or a newer distro. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 5 01:11:05 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:11:05 -0500 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: <46DD3CCC.2050606@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46DE0229.2000405@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: >> 9/4/07, Billie Walsh wrote: >> You see, there are still a few things I haven't found a >> Linux replacement for. > > Just wondering what it is you still must use XP for? > Douglas > A couple are: Microsoft Streets and Trips - I haven't found a mapping/routing software to compare with it. A program called GR Level Three. This one is a real time, live, radar program. It allows us to log into any NWS radar site and watch the radar live [ well, a couple seconds delay ]. It also takes GPS readings and plots our position on the screen. Pretty handy when out storm chasing. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 07:02:44 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:02:44 +0200 Subject: KNotes not being saved. In-Reply-To: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> References: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <46DE5494.2060601@gmail.com> On Knotes, I tried them and then heard about tomboy. Oh boy! I know it's gnomish and uses mono (which is a pig) but on my new machine it's pretty quick. Tomboy is really kick-ass. So simple and focussed. I which there was a KDE equivalent! I rsync my tomboy notes daily to keep a backup and now my note-taking world is just about ferpect ! :) Sorry for not actually helping, but I had to suggest it. /d From casperskovby at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 09:36:19 2007 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:36:19 +0200 Subject: Cannot get acces to my web bank Message-ID: <46DE7893.6030505@gmail.com> Hi, I am running kubuntu feisty and use firefox as browser. I have troubles entering my web bank. When I try to change the path to the login file I get the message: "The folder contents could not be displayed". Does anybody know what to do about that? Regards Casper From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 09:52:58 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:52:58 +0200 Subject: Cannot get acces to my web bank In-Reply-To: <46DE7893.6030505@gmail.com> References: <46DE7893.6030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DE7C7A.3010403@gmail.com> > When I try to change the path to the login file I > get the message: "The folder contents could not be displayed". Does it do that with another browser (on that *other* os) ? Try Opera and Konqueror too. It does look like an error on the bank side of things, it sounds like a web-server message; perhaps the bank is doing stuff and you should wait a while. hth /d From casperskovby at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 12:33:28 2007 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:33:28 +0200 Subject: Cannot get acces to my web bank Message-ID: <46DEA218.6030207@gmail.com> Hi, I am running kubuntu feisty and use firefox as browser. I have troubles entering my web bank. When I try to change the path to the login file I get the message: "The folder contents could not be displayed". Does anybody know what to do about that? Regards Casper Does it do that with another browser (on that *other* os) ? Try Opera and Konqueror too. It does look like an error on the bank side of things, it sounds like a web-server message; perhaps the bank is doing stuff and you should wait a while. hth /d I tried using Konqueror and Opera. It did work with Opera but not with Konqueror. I think I will just use Opera unless somebody has an idea of how to solve the problem with firefox... Thanks! Regards Casper From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 12:38:31 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:38:31 +0200 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: <46DE0229.2000405@swbell.net> References: <46DD3CCC.2050606@swbell.net> <46DE0229.2000405@swbell.net> Message-ID: >D. Michael McIntyre: I keep trying to say something here without running on, and two hours later, I >don't have anything simple to say on this topic. If I'm going to write an >essay about the vagaries of documenting Linux projects, I may as well do it r>ight, and publish it on a blog or something. Or better yet, figure out some >way to get someone to pay me to publish it. :D >The jist of it, though, is that it's a crappy and nearly impossible job. >Criss Miller: It's really difficult to properly document code. Some bits leave you >wondering how on earth someone could not understand the code that you >just wrote, and those often are the parts that need documenting the >most. Coders have a notorious lack on an internal barometer to tell >them when to doc and when not to doc. It's not something that saying >something can fix. Anyone that write code can write docs (but maybe not in English). Maybe not good ones but they can do it. If they put the time in to do it, it will help. Once they have done that it makes it much easier for the next poor soul to come along and make it better writing. I see no reason that programmer can not do this. Yes, we all hate it but don't we all hate lots of things we do everyday? And would the world not be much better, if we all spent half our programming time doing docs? I think there are 2 types of docs being talked about here. One is the documentation of code and the other is the book that goes with the program. I was talking about the book in the first place but talking about documenting code is also very important. So that brings me to a question. Have you ever gone back to your code 3 years later that was done in some language that you have for gotten and tried to figure out what you were doing in the undocumented obvious code sections? I think that every line or at least every loop and function should have documentation. Old code is a bear to understand! Now what about that poor person who comes after you and just learned that old no longer used language after you retire? Nether type of doc is fun (at least to me) but both types are a total must do; if we are to make anything that others will ever use or update. Douglas From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:02:18 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:02:18 -0600 Subject: KNotes not being saved. In-Reply-To: <46DE5494.2060601@gmail.com> References: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> <46DE5494.2060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DEB6EA.3040307@gmail.com> Donn said the following at 09/05/2007 01:02 AM : > Tomboy is really kick-ass. So simple and focussed. I which there was a > KDE equivalent! in a word: basKet From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:17:12 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:17:12 +0200 Subject: KNotes not being saved. In-Reply-To: <46DEB6EA.3040307@gmail.com> References: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> <46DE5494.2060601@gmail.com> <46DEB6EA.3040307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DEBA68.8090701@gmail.com> > in a word: basKet Yeah? I tried it a few years ago and found it hard to use. But, when my bloody internet gets going on Kubu then I'll have another go. /d From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 17:06:16 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:06:16 -0600 Subject: KNotes not being saved. In-Reply-To: <46DEBA68.8090701@gmail.com> References: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> <46DE5494.2060601@gmail.com> <46DEB6EA.3040307@gmail.com> <46DEBA68.8090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DEE208.3070407@gmail.com> Donn said the following at 09/05/2007 08:17 AM : >> in a word: basKet > > Yeah? I tried it a few years ago and found it hard to use. But, when my > bloody internet gets going on Kubu then I'll have another go. > I discovered it a few months ago, and while I can think of lots of things to add to it (and have indeed suggested them to the author), I find the current version perfectly serviceable as-is. I find it to be one of those (rare) applications that is good enough now that you can see what enormous potential it has a year or two down the road. Anyway, we should probably let this thread get back to its original topic now :-) From prlewis at letterboxes.org Wed Sep 5 17:13:27 2007 From: prlewis at letterboxes.org (Peter Lewis) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:13:27 +0100 Subject: KNotes not being saved. In-Reply-To: <46DEE208.3070407@gmail.com> References: <200709041830.51841.prlewis@letterboxes.org> <46DEBA68.8090701@gmail.com> <46DEE208.3070407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709051813.27634.prlewis@letterboxes.org> On Wednesday 05 September 2007 18:06:16 D. R. Evans wrote: > Anyway, we should probably let this thread get back to its original topic > now :-) No, as the OP I can say that this is quite interesting. > Donn said the following at 09/05/2007 08:17 AM : > >> in a word: basKet > > > > Yeah? I tried it a few years ago and found it hard to use. But, when my > > bloody internet gets going on Kubu then I'll have another go. > > I discovered it a few months ago, and while I can think of lots of things > to add to it (and have indeed suggested them to the author), I find the > current version perfectly serviceable as-is. > > I find it to be one of those (rare) applications that is good enough now > that you can see what enormous potential it has a year or two down the > road. I just installed basket and had a bit of a play. To be honest, it seems a bit overkill for what I want - just the computer equivalent of scribbling on a piece of paper. Having them on the desktop is also great, and the addition of (in theory, at least) being able to store them on an IMAP server sounds perfect. But, it doesn't seem to work... :-/ Pete. From trym.side at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Sep 5 21:19:22 2007 From: trym.side at blueyonder.co.uk (Jim MacLeod) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:19:22 +0100 Subject: Cannot get acces to my web bank References: <46DEA218.6030207@gmail.com> Message-ID: Casper Skovby wrote: > I tried using Konqueror and Opera. It did work with Opera but not with > Konqueror. I think I will just use Opera unless somebody has an idea of > how to solve the problem with firefox... > How about using Konqueror but setting it to identify it as Opera Jim From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 5 23:54:27 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:54:27 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: <46DE0229.2000405@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709051954.27800.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 05 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > Anyone that write code can write docs (but maybe not in English). > Maybe not good ones but they can do it. They could, but they won't. Programmers don't want to write docs. They have n hours to play with, and they want to spend them programming, not writing docs. Getting programmers to document their own features, even just that much, just add a blurb in the manual about your new feature; even that is like pulling teeth. > but don't we all hate lots of things we do everyday? And would the > world not be much better, if we all spent half our programming time > doing docs? Honestly? Probably not. I think the time would be better spent developing applications and systems that do what people expect without any explanation. People don't turn to documentation unless they can't understand something without it, and the kind of people who can't understand things without documentation are, in my experience, usually not that great at understanding when they *have* documentation either. They're mostly the sort of folks who need hands-on training from a personal teacher. Documentation is useful for teachers to have, I grant you, but with our limited resources, I don't agree it's the most effective way to invest development hours. I, for example, have been substantially successful as a teacher without any good textbooks. The other problem, and the biggest problem, is shelf life. The shelf life of Linux text is about six months, and then it's junk. Writing one takes about a year. How do you reconcile that? One way would be to cut development down by requiring programmers to spend half their time writing, and thereby producing less code less often, giving the docs time to catch up. But users would HATE that. > program. I was talking about the book in the first place but talking > about documenting code is also very important. Anyway, I'm venturing into essay territory again, or memoir territory. I'd better not get wound up, because I've got stuff to do. -- D. Michael McIntyre From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 00:02:53 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:02:53 -0700 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: <46DD3CCC.2050606@swbell.net> <46DE0229.2000405@swbell.net> Message-ID: On 9/5/07, Knapp wrote: > >D. Michael McIntyre: I keep trying to say something here without > running on, and two hours later, I > >don't have anything simple to say on this topic. If I'm going to write an > >essay about the vagaries of documenting Linux projects, I may as well do it > r>ight, and publish it on a blog or something. Or better yet, figure out some > >way to get someone to pay me to publish it. :D > >The jist of it, though, is that it's a crappy and nearly impossible job. > > >Criss Miller: It's really difficult to properly document code. Some > bits leave you > >wondering how on earth someone could not understand the code that you > >just wrote, and those often are the parts that need documenting the > >most. Coders have a notorious lack on an internal barometer to tell > >them when to doc and when not to doc. It's not something that saying > >something can fix. > > > Anyone that write code can write docs (but maybe not in English). > Maybe not good ones but they can do it. If they put the time in to do Let me explain "The Zone" to you then. "The Zone" is a programming phenomena which occurs when you can literally see entire directories of code in your head, all at once. It's a kind of nirvana that you search for, mainly because code from this state is only very rarely buggy or slow. I hypothesize that it's a result of the subconscious brain depositing a finished product into the consciousness of the individual. Aside from my crude explanations, let me make my point. When in the zone, it's like stopping an oil tanker at sea. From the time the skipper calls all stop and the engine room locks the screws, it take about six miles or more for that boat to come to a full and complete dead-in-the-water stop. Same thing for a programmer in the zone. I have come out of the zone realizing I haven't eaten a meal and it's time for the next meal. Unfortunately, docs aren't part of the zone. Thus why the best and most useful parts of applications have zero docs. > it, it will help. Once they have done that it makes it much easier for > the next poor soul to come along and make it better writing. Yes, I agree there. > I see no reason that programmer can not do this. Yes, we all hate it > but don't we all hate lots of things we do everyday? And would the > world not be much better, if we all spent half our programming time > doing docs? Most of my time is spent reading docs to best use existing APIs. Not so much with APIs I'm familiar with, but for me to get really comfy with an API it takes about 7,000 lines of real jewel code to get to that level of comprehension. If you cut that code time in half again, I'd never get anything done! > I think there are 2 types of docs being talked about here. One is the > documentation of code and the other is the book that goes with the > program. I was talking about the book in the first place but talking > about documenting code is also very important. Oh................ That was stoopid of me My meter stick of program design is: if it needs a book, YOU DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT! > So that brings me to a question. Have you ever gone back to your code > 3 years later that was done in some language that you have for gotten > and tried to figure out what you were doing in the undocumented > obvious code sections? I think that every line or at least every loop No, my memory isn't actually that bad for stuff I've written. I spend most of that nostalgia time going "man, I was a complete and total n00b three years ago, this could be done better..." > and function should have documentation. Old code is a bear to > understand! Now what about that poor person who comes after you and > just learned that old no longer used language after you retire? > > Nether type of doc is fun (at least to me) but both types are a total > must do; if we are to make anything that others will ever use or > update. My general stance is that if you can't figure out what SourceScope does, then I really can't help you at all. I agree, however, larger programs (think GIMP in size) need to be documented. But the entire UNIX philosophy is to build large systems using small blocks. Hence manpages and all the command line functionality. Much of Linux is command-line centric, and booting itself is a command-line activity. You could technically type in the commands necessary to boot after you had a working tty. It'd take for-freaking-ever, but it's possible. Beats the heck out of Windows and it's dynamically linked libraries with archives of undocumented functions you need to call. I should share a Vista story, but I'll do it in another thread. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 6 00:12:41 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:12:41 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709052012.41678.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 05 September 2007, Chris Miller wrote: > Unfortunately, docs aren't part of the zone. Thus why the best and > most useful parts of applications have zero docs. Docs can be a zone unto themselves, but I don't think it's possible to be in both zones simultaneously, or switch back and forth rapidly. I've never been able to do that. I'm either in doc writer mode or programmer mode, but never both. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 6 00:15:36 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:15:36 -0400 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: <200709052012.41678.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709052012.41678.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709052015.36742.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 05 September 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > been able to do that. I'm either in doc writer mode or programmer mode, > but never both. Though my programmer self tries to leave little hints laying around for my doc writer self to pick up when the time comes, and my doc writer self tries to leave my programmer self feature requests and bug reports to chew on later. They work together, but not simultaneously, and usually separated by weeks or months. -- D. Michael McIntyre From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 6 01:04:09 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:04:09 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709041656.40378.Scott@scotttesterman.com> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709041102.33534.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709041656.40378.Scott@scotttesterman.com> Message-ID: <200709052104.09813.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 4:56:40 pm T. Scott Testerman wrote: > Sorry to jump in, but I have weird sensor reporting on my M/B too, so I > know a little about this. > > You said before that Kubuntu is reporting a temperature from your computer. > I'm guessing that means you installed lm-sensors? If so, did you run > sensors-detect? If you installed a package with an alarm function to help > shut down your PC when it goes outside preset limits, that would explain > the shutdowns. If you didn't, then it means your hardware is doing it for > you, and you do have a real problem. I have lm-sensors installed. I did run sensors-detect and it detected everything. But, I don't know about any package for alarm functions. Any idea what I should be looking for or how to find out if I have any packages of such? This may be something of importance. If what you say is true, then If I don't have any packages installed of such, then it would point to hardware failure. > > Since some of my sensors are reversed I had to edit /etc/sensors.conf to > get them in the correct order. This is probably not your problem, but keep > it in mind just in case. The temperature reading in your BIOS Setup should > match the output of the 'sensors' command fairly closely. I have nothing in the BIOS that gives any information on temperature. All I have to go by is lm-sensors. > If not, then > it's time to edit sensors.conf. The file isn't difficult to navigate, but > it could take you some time if you have to start editing a formula (again, > probably not necessary; maybe just uncomment one that's already there). -- David M. From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 6 01:06:37 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:06:37 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <46DD8820.1090806@virgin.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD8820.1090806@virgin.net> Message-ID: <200709052106.37138.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 12:30:24 pm Ted Frater wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >Apologies to the list mod for accidentally sending this to the request > > list. > > > >Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this list. > > > >Can anyone give me some help here. I am completely stumped. My desktop > >computer keeps shutting down when anything too much is done on it. the > > system log says it is overheating. But here is where I am completely > > stumped kubuntu is reporting my system temperature as -270 C (-454 F) > > which in my opinion would be the hardest block of ice on earth and when > > it shuts down, the system log says the temp was critical at -264 C. In my > > opinion it's still darn frozen. > > > >I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it > > sounds like a no brainer. > > > >My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on > > again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so > > there is no need to switch the fan on. > > > >I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this issue, > > but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a > > solution. > > > >Anyone have any ideas? > > As its not much use as it is, > why not connect the fan wires to the appropriate voltage line that feeds > one of the other items, like cd rom. that has a 5 volt and a 12 v line > input. > your fan will then run all the time but at least your pc will run. > Youll need to check the voltage with a meter it will be either 5 or 12 > v. also chewck the polarity as its dc. > Let us know how you get on. Why would I want to destroy a 600.00 computer for a free Kubuntu download? -- David M. From philbieber at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 06:08:06 2007 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:08:06 +0200 Subject: The compiz-kde package. How do you get it working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0709052308g2297210bn42e7fe0e57a97668@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/07, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: > I installed it. But now what do I do? > > This seems to be a much smoother process on the GNOME (i.e. Ubuntu) side. > > All I can find on this subject relates to installing Beryl. > > I don't need Beryl. I don't want exploding or burning windows. The > shadowing (and to a lesser degree, the wobbly stuff) is all that I'm > interested in. I've got it working fine in GNOME (thanks to the > handy-dandy "desktop-effects" program). > > The compiz-kde package is in the Ubuntu feisty repo, so there must be a > reason for that. :) > > Curiously, > > -- > Scott > http://angrykeyboarder.com > (c)2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wites Wesewved > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hi! I'm not using Feisty right now, so I can't check if it works. Looking for the same thing. just for Gutsy, I stumbled upon this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=508769 It's a script that compiles and installs Compiz Fusion with a launscher and everything and the people in the Forum seem to be quite content when I read it. Maybe it works for you. Cheers Philipp Bieber -- Are there any experienced suicide bombers? You, you, and you: Panic. The rest of you, come with me. GPG KEY ID: 7C26EE5B0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 06:10:16 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:10:16 +0200 Subject: For you Linux programmers out there? In-Reply-To: <200709052015.36742.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709052012.41678.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709052015.36742.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: I am going to try and replay to all the things written at one go. So first the Zone. I used to write professionally for the C-64, a much simpler system that what we all use now. At that time I actually became hypothermic from getting up and programming until 3 pm without eating, turning on the heat or getting dressed. OK, yes, I know it was strange. I wrote complete programs then without error or need of debugging 2 times (about 10 pages of c64 basic). But during this time I documented my code. Not well but enough to know what was going on with it. I find it hard to beliave that anyone can understand there code well after a long time of not seeing it. Maybe my example of 3 years was to short a time. And yes, good coding helps a lot, as does OOP! I don't have any trouble write code and documenting it at the same time because what I write for docs is just saying what is already in my head about the code as I write it. But writing the book like part is totally different way of thinking for me too. As to a program not needing user docs, I would say yes, sure, if you are writing pac-man. If you are writing a big API or code libraries or something like Blender 3d then there is no way to use it without reading the docs. Or how about vim, FlightGear, CrystalSpace, Panda3d, Or Open Office? I don't think you can or ever could use any of these programs well without any documentation. And in most of these cases I would not change much about the way they are designed, they are complex because once you have learned them you become efficient. Often there is a trade between user-friendlyness and efficiency. Of course sometimes you can get both in the best of designs but this is not always possible. I think we are getting way off topic for the list but I have been having fun. LOL Douglas From ted.frater at virgin.net Thu Sep 6 07:56:21 2007 From: ted.frater at virgin.net (Ted Frater) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:56:21 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709052106.37138.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD8820.1090806@virgin.net> <200709052106.37138.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46DFB2A5.9070800@virgin.net> David McGlone wrote: >On Tuesday 04 September 2007 12:30:24 pm Ted Frater wrote: > > >>David McGlone wrote: >> >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Apologies to the list mod for accidentally sending this to the request >>>list. >>> >>>Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this list. >>> >>>Can anyone give me some help here. I am completely stumped. My desktop >>>computer keeps shutting down when anything too much is done on it. the >>>system log says it is overheating. But here is where I am completely >>>stumped kubuntu is reporting my system temperature as -270 C (-454 F) >>>which in my opinion would be the hardest block of ice on earth and when >>>it shuts down, the system log says the temp was critical at -264 C. In my >>>opinion it's still darn frozen. >>> >>>I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it >>>sounds like a no brainer. >>> >>>My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on >>>again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so >>>there is no need to switch the fan on. >>> >>>I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this issue, >>>but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a >>>solution. >>> >>>Anyone have any ideas? >>> >>> >>As its not much use as it is, >>why not connect the fan wires to the appropriate voltage line that feeds >>one of the other items, like cd rom. that has a 5 volt and a 12 v line >>input. >> your fan will then run all the time but at least your pc will run. >>Youll need to check the voltage with a meter it will be either 5 or 12 >>v. also chewck the polarity as its dc. >> Let us know how you get on. >> >> > >Why would I want to destroy a 600.00 computer for a free Kubuntu download? > > > > I hope you are able to resolve your fan problem via software, however if you dont youve a dud 600.00 computer anyway. you might destroy it but I wouldnt suggest anything I wouldnt do myself. Its not as if your taking the fan/heatsink off the processor. If your not sure how to do what I wrote, then ask a IT /pc tech to do it for you. Its a 5 min job. From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Thu Sep 6 09:22:37 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:22:37 +0200 Subject: Behringer guitar link UCG102 & Kubuntu ? Message-ID: <20070906092237.136940@gmx.net> Hi there! I'd like to buy the Guitar Link UCG102 from Behringer. With this USB-device, I can connect a guitar to the PC and record directly without any amps or mics. But I don't know if it is compatible with Kubuntu. It is not on any hardware compatibility list on the net and googling around did not find that either. Could anyone out there give me a hint about this? Thanks! Laurent Asorne -- Laurent Asorne Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From pupeno at pupeno.com Thu Sep 6 13:00:31 2007 From: pupeno at pupeno.com (J. Pablo =?iso-8859-1?q?Fern=E1ndez?=) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:00:31 +0100 Subject: Do not show this question again Message-ID: <200709061400.32170.pupeno@pupeno.com> Hello, I accidentally clicked the "Do not show again" checkbox on Konqueror's "there are other tabs open, are you sure you want to exit" dialog. How do I get it back? Thanks. -- J. Pablo Fernández (http://pupeno.com) From creasen at barrowsonline.com Thu Sep 6 13:42:07 2007 From: creasen at barrowsonline.com (Creasen Pillay) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:42:07 +0200 Subject: onyx voice recording software Message-ID: <46E003AF.1070004@barrowsonline.com> Hi ALL I'm do helpdesk and related stuff at my company so i have to use Linux and windows. We used a onyx voice recording device some time ago and saved the recordings. Now a few months later the directors want to use the recorded stuff and this software refuses to recognize the old files. They are saved with a .gsc extension. Any ideas on how to convert them to mp3 or wav or any other standard format please. Thanks Creasen From paulvarjak at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 15:32:25 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:32:25 +0200 Subject: Firefox on Dapper/AMD64 In-Reply-To: <200709031610.36404.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200709031610.36404.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e33e3860709060832k5232d5dcs89100193cbd8dc39@mail.gmail.com> It's available. If you need also flash support you can also use Swiftfox, which has embedded flash support for flash. The easyest way to install swiftfox is to use Automatix2 to do it. Paul. From bootgr at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 15:48:10 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:48:10 -0500 Subject: Firefox on Dapper/AMD64 In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709060832k5232d5dcs89100193cbd8dc39@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709031610.36404.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <5e33e3860709060832k5232d5dcs89100193cbd8dc39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709060848v21a5b2bepf2afca5f62140fac@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/07, Paul Varjak wrote: > It's available. > > If you need also flash support you can also use Swiftfox, which has > embedded flash support for flash. The easyest way to install swiftfox > is to use Automatix2 to do it. > > Paul. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > And this is what happens if you try and install Swiftfox with Automatix. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227051 -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From stan10x10 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 19:46:57 2007 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:46:57 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <46DFB2A5.9070800@virgin.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DD8820.1090806@virgin.net> <200709052106.37138.david.mcglone@att.net> <46DFB2A5.9070800@virgin.net> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0709061246t1e1924b1mc09d75ba05cc270@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/07, Ted Frater wrote: > > David McGlone wrote: > > >On Tuesday 04 September 2007 12:30:24 pm Ted Frater wrote: > > > > > >>David McGlone wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>> > >>>Apologies to the list mod for accidentally sending this to the request > >>>list. > >>> > >>>Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this list. > >>> > >>>Can anyone give me some help here. I am completely stumped. My desktop > >>>computer keeps shutting down when anything too much is done on it. the > >>>system log says it is overheating. But here is where I am completely > >>>stumped kubuntu is reporting my system temperature as -270 C (-454 F) > >>>which in my opinion would be the hardest block of ice on earth and when > >>>it shuts down, the system log says the temp was critical at -264 C. In > my > >>>opinion it's still darn frozen. > >>> > >>>I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it > >>>sounds like a no brainer. > >>> > >>>My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on > >>>again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so > >>>there is no need to switch the fan on. > >>> > >>>I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this > issue, > >>>but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a > >>>solution. > >>> > >>>Anyone have any ideas? > >>> > >>> > >>As its not much use as it is, > >>why not connect the fan wires to the appropriate voltage line that feeds > >>one of the other items, like cd rom. that has a 5 volt and a 12 v line > >>input. > >> your fan will then run all the time but at least your pc will run. > >>Youll need to check the voltage with a meter it will be either 5 or 12 > >>v. also chewck the polarity as its dc. > >> Let us know how you get on. > >> > >> > > > >Why would I want to destroy a 600.00 computer for a free Kubuntu > download? > > > > > > > > > I hope you are able to resolve your fan problem via software, > however if you dont youve a dud 600.00 computer anyway. > you might destroy it but I wouldnt suggest anything I wouldnt do myself. > Its not as if your taking the fan/heatsink off the processor. > If your not sure how to do what I wrote, then ask a IT /pc tech to do it > for you. > Its a 5 min job. > > > > > > -- > To make it a no brainer there are fans that come with standard plugs that will plug into any extra power leads that come from your power supply. Plug it up and replace your old fan or if the case has a place to add an extra exhaust fan just add it there and get better cooling in the bargain Uriah.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan10x10 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 19:51:02 2007 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:51:02 -0400 Subject: Behringer guitar link UCG102 & Kubuntu ? In-Reply-To: <20070906092237.136940@gmx.net> References: <20070906092237.136940@gmx.net> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0709061251j513c2245q1c8d9d7cff60172a@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/07, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > Hi there! I'd like to buy the Guitar Link UCG102 from Behringer. With this > USB-device, I can connect a guitar to the PC and record directly without any > amps or mics. But I don't know if it is compatible with Kubuntu. It is not > on any hardware compatibility list on the net and googling around did not > find that either. > > Could anyone out there give me a hint about this? Thanks! > Laurent Asorne > -- > Laurent Asorne > > You might also want to post to the Medubuntu list as I suspect you will find more people there into those sorts of applications. Uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shuston at ohiohills.com Thu Sep 6 20:27:03 2007 From: shuston at ohiohills.com (Huston) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:27:03 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net><46DD8820.1090806@virgin.net><200709052106.37138.david.mcglone@att.net><46DFB2A5.9070800@virgin.net> <69c7ddfb0709061246t1e1924b1mc09d75ba05cc270@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004501c7f0c4$499890a0$111ea8c0@RHO> Some machines have settings in the bios to make the fan run all the time. You may want to look at your bios settings and check this out first. ----- Original Message ----- From: uriah heep To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) On 9/6/07, Ted Frater wrote: David McGlone wrote: >On Tuesday 04 September 2007 12:30:24 pm Ted Frater wrote: > > >>David McGlone wrote: >> >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Apologies to the list mod for accidentally sending this to the request >>>list. >>> >>>Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this list. >>> >>>Can anyone give me some help here. I am completely stumped. My desktop >>>computer keeps shutting down when anything too much is done on it. the >>>system log says it is overheating. But here is where I am completely >>>stumped kubuntu is reporting my system temperature as -270 C (-454 F) >>>which in my opinion would be the hardest block of ice on earth and when >>>it shuts down, the system log says the temp was critical at -264 C. In my >>>opinion it's still darn frozen. >>> >>>I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it >>>sounds like a no brainer. >>> >>>My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on >>>again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so >>>there is no need to switch the fan on. >>> >>>I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this >>>issue, >>>but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a >>>solution. >>> >>>Anyone have any ideas? >>> >>> >>As its not much use as it is, >>why not connect the fan wires to the appropriate voltage line that feeds >>one of the other items, like cd rom. that has a 5 volt and a 12 v line >>input. >> your fan will then run all the time but at least your pc will run. >>Youll need to check the voltage with a meter it will be either 5 or 12 >>v. also chewck the polarity as its dc. >> Let us know how you get on. >> >> > >Why would I want to destroy a 600.00 computer for a free Kubuntu download? > > > > I hope you are able to resolve your fan problem via software, however if you dont youve a dud 600.00 computer anyway. you might destroy it but I wouldnt suggest anything I wouldnt do myself. Its not as if your taking the fan/heatsink off the processor. If your not sure how to do what I wrote, then ask a IT /pc tech to do it for you. Its a 5 min job. -- To make it a no brainer there are fans that come with standard plugs that will plug into any extra power leads that come from your power supply. Plug it up and replace your old fan or if the case has a place to add an extra exhaust fan just add it there and get better cooling in the bargain Uriah.. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 22:26:35 2007 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:26:35 -0600 Subject: WengoPhone vs. Skype In-Reply-To: References: <46D2F322.1070906@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0709061526k421bfe7bo9f9025bb4a8215f8@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/07, Jonathan Kaye wrote: > Given a choice between Wengo & Skype I'd choose Ekiga for both audio + > video. For audio only, I like Twinklephone. Jonathan, Have you been able to actually video connect with anyone? I've been trying to talk to people with ekiga, but never had any success. I can connect to the audio mirrors no problem, but I've never been able to get anyone else to connect with me. What clients on Windows or Mac can video connect with ekiga? Thanks, Michael From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 6 23:09:32 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:09:32 -0400 Subject: Do not show this question again In-Reply-To: <200709061400.32170.pupeno@pupeno.com> References: <200709061400.32170.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: <200709061909.32125.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 06 September 2007, J. Pablo Fernández wrote: > "there are other tabs open, are you sure you want to exit" dialog. How do I > get it back? Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Tabbed Browsing -> Advanced Options -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 6 23:35:36 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:35:36 -0400 Subject: Behringer guitar link UCG102 & Kubuntu ? In-Reply-To: <20070906092237.136940@gmx.net> References: <20070906092237.136940@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709061935.36911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 06 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > Hi there! I'd like to buy the Guitar Link UCG102 from Behringer. With this > USB-device, I can connect a guitar to the PC and record directly without > any amps or mics. But I don't know if it is compatible with Kubuntu. It is > not on any hardware compatibility list on the net and googling around did > not find that either. I can't find any Linux info either. I'm looking at the manual. It says it will plug and play on PC or Mac without installing a driver, though you should install the special driver for Windows for best results. This makes it very likely that it will work as an audio device with the snd-usb-audio driver. It sounds like half of the cool features described in the manual come directly from the bundled software, which is an amp modeling/effects deal. You'd have to struggle to try to get this to work via WINE, and that's not a struggle I'd want to suffer myself. I'd say it's rather unlikely to be a satisfying experience. You might get by without the "stomp box" part of the software by plumbing the audio via JACK to something like JACK Rack, and thence to LADSPA effects plugins, but as far as I know, we have nothing like a guitar amp modeler for Linux, and you'd be dead in the water on that score. Sounds like you might get some limited use out of it, but it sounds likely that you'd be disappointed with what use you could get out of it via Linux. I'd suggest going with a dedicated amp modeling/effects box (like whatever the modern incarnation of the DigiTech RP-200 is), and hooking its audio to a PC soundcard through more conventional cables. I have a setup like this, and it works well. -- D. Michael McIntyre From list.dhooge at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 05:08:30 2007 From: list.dhooge at gmail.com (Michel D'HOOGE) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:08:30 +0200 Subject: Do not show this question again In-Reply-To: <200709061400.32170.pupeno@pupeno.com> References: <200709061400.32170.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: <200709070708.31160.list.dhooge@gmail.com> On Thursday 06 September 2007 15:00:31 J. Pablo Fernández wrote: > I accidentally clicked the "Do not show again" checkbox on Konqueror's > "there are other tabs open, are you sure you want to exit" dialog. How do I > get it back? It's a bit hidden - especially if you look for something like "all kinds of pop-up to be shown". So in the configuration panel, go to the "web behaviour" tab (the 5th one for me). In the middle, you have "Displaying tabs" -> advanced options. The 3rd one must be what you're looking for. Cheers -- Michel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Even "gpkg-reconfigure kdm" didn't help. I have changed to gdm but want kdm back, can somebody help me? Jan From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Sep 7 09:15:39 2007 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:15:39 -0400 Subject: kde4 beta2 Message-ID: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> I'm trying to upgrade a kde4 beta1 install to beta2. I have backports enabled. According to the announcement I should install kde-workspace, but no such package appears in Adept. Moreover, the only kde4 packages that are marked as version 3.93 are kde-base, kde-base-data and kde-base-dev, which should be upgraded. All other kde4 packages, including those that are installed as well as those that are not, are marked as version 3.92, which, I thought, was beta1. What gives? Shouldn't everything be marked as 3.93 or were only 3 packages upgraded w/ beta2. Paul From jriddell at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 7 10:12:00 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:12:00 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070907101159.GG31474@muse.19inch.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 05:15:39AM -0400, Paul Kaplan wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade a kde4 beta1 install to beta2. I have backports > enabled. According to the announcement I should install kde-workspace, but > no such package appears in Adept. Moreover, the only kde4 packages that are > marked as version 3.93 are kde-base, kde-base-data and kde-base-dev, which > should be upgraded. All other kde4 packages, including those that are > installed as well as those that are not, are marked as version 3.92, which, I > thought, was beta1. Unfortunately the backports build servers are being slow as usual. Keep an eye on this page for kdebase-workspace being done in the next hour or two https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty2 that will give you a functional kde 4 desktop. after that all the other modules will start compiling, which will take until tomorrow at least. Jonathan From Scott at scotttesterman.com Fri Sep 7 10:34:30 2007 From: Scott at scotttesterman.com (T. Scott Testerman) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:34:30 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709052104.09813.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709041656.40378.Scott@scotttesterman.com> <200709052104.09813.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709070634.30472.Scott@scotttesterman.com> OK, so if lm-sensors is installed that explains where you're getting temperature readings, but it doesn't explain why you're getting outer space readings for your temperatures. Have you checked /etc/sensors.conf for your sensors and motherboard? It already has many of the known troublesome boards and chips documented, along with the correct lines to make them function. The full documentation and forums are at http://lm-sensors.org/ and could be of help. Also, are there really current motherboards out there that don't have at least rudimentary temperature reporting in the BIOS? I know that it's been common on even cheap boards since around 2000/2001, so I would be surprised if your board doesn't have it. If you have sensors to dectect at all, then it would be surprising if you don't have a report in the BIOS configuration somewhere, otherwise there would be no purpose in having the sensors. _______________ Scott On Wednesday 05 September 2007 09:04:09 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2007 4:56:40 pm T. Scott Testerman wrote: > > Sorry to jump in, but I have weird sensor reporting on my M/B too, so I > > know a little about this. > > > > You said before that Kubuntu is reporting a temperature from your > > computer. I'm guessing that means you installed lm-sensors? If so, did > > you run sensors-detect? If you installed a package with an alarm > > function to help shut down your PC when it goes outside preset limits, > > that would explain the shutdowns. If you didn't, then it means your > > hardware is doing it for you, and you do have a real problem. > > I have lm-sensors installed. I did run sensors-detect and it detected > everything. But, I don't know about any package for alarm functions. Any > idea what I should be looking for or how to find out if I have any packages > of such? This may be something of importance. If what you say is true, then > If I don't have any packages installed of such, then it would point to > hardware failure. > > > Since some of my sensors are reversed I had to edit /etc/sensors.conf to > > get them in the correct order. This is probably not your problem, but > > keep it in mind just in case. The temperature reading in your BIOS Setup > > should match the output of the 'sensors' command fairly closely. > > I have nothing in the BIOS that gives any information on temperature. All I > have to go by is lm-sensors. > > > If not, then > > it's time to edit sensors.conf. The file isn't difficult to navigate, > > but it could take you some time if you have to start editing a formula > > (again, probably not necessary; maybe just uncomment one that's already > > there). > > -- > David M. From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Fri Sep 7 15:05:01 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:05:01 +0200 Subject: Flash troubles... Message-ID: <46E1689D.9010604@bluewin.ch> I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had first installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one day, it just stopped cold. Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this message came up: "The video timed out attempting to play. Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, how can I deactivate them? Any help will be thankfully appreciated jdh _________________ kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bootgr at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 15:14:52 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:14:52 -0500 Subject: Flash troubles... In-Reply-To: <46E1689D.9010604@bluewin.ch> References: <46E1689D.9010604@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <720b310e0709070814g1f869f88x977ece417945870c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/07, john d. herron wrote: > > I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had first > installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one day, it > just stopped cold. > > Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this message > came up: > "The video timed out attempting to play. > Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." > > What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, how > can I deactivate them? > Any help will be thankfully appreciated > jdh > _________________ Noscript would be my first guess. Adblock Plus would be my second guess. IF you have either just go into the preferences and poke around and make sure they're not blocking anything. G -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Sep 7 17:34:54 2007 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:34:54 +0200 Subject: migration assistant - which package? Message-ID: <200709071934.54075.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Which package contains the migration assistant that scanned my other distro for KDE settings? I'd like to run it on other dists as well. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.stop1984.com http://www.againsttcpa.com From jdkaye10 at yahoo.es Fri Sep 7 18:39:18 2007 From: jdkaye10 at yahoo.es (Jonathan Kaye) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:39:18 +0200 Subject: WengoPhone vs. Skype References: <46D2F322.1070906@rmk.co.il> <9c2aabaf0709061526k421bfe7bo9f9025bb4a8215f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael Hirsch wrote: > On 8/28/07, Jonathan Kaye wrote: > >> Given a choice between Wengo & Skype I'd choose Ekiga for both audio + >> video. For audio only, I like Twinklephone. > > Jonathan, > > Have you been able to actually video connect with anyone? I've been > trying to talk to people with ekiga, but never had any success. I can > connect to the audio mirrors no problem, but I've never been able to > get anyone else to connect with me. > > What clients on Windows or Mac can video connect with ekiga? > > Thanks, > > Michael Hi Michael, I have video conferenced with a Windows client a while ago so I don't remember the details. With Mac I video conference regularly and it works perfectly. The mac user uses Xmeeting and I use Ekiga and they get along fine together. HTH, Jonathan -- Registerd Linux user #445917 at http://counter.li.org/ Please do not send me copies of list mail. I read the lists. Thanks! From manchicken at notsosoft.net Fri Sep 7 18:51:45 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:51:45 -0500 Subject: Flash troubles... In-Reply-To: <46E1689D.9010604@bluewin.ch> References: <46E1689D.9010604@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200709071351.45671.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Friday 07 September 2007 10:05:01 john d. herron wrote: > I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had > first installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one > day, it just stopped cold. > > Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this > message came up: > "The video timed out attempting to play. > Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." > > What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, > how can I deactivate them? > Any help will be thankfully appreciated > jdh > _________________ > kubuntu 7.04 on > i586 w/ 512 MB Is it just CNN with this problem or are other sites having similar issues? Nintendo.com, YouTube.com, and NewGrounds.com seem like good benchmarks for me. From lists at ptfd.org Fri Sep 7 18:58:19 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:58:19 -0400 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <20070907101159.GG31474@muse.19inch.net> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <20070907101159.GG31474@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200709071458.19524.lists@ptfd.org> kdebase-workspace says it depends on kde4base, but also conflicts with kde4base?? Mike On Friday 07 September 2007 06:12:00 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 05:15:39AM -0400, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade a kde4 beta1 install to beta2. I have backports > > enabled. According to the announcement I should install kde-workspace, > > but no such package appears in Adept. Moreover, the only kde4 packages > > that are marked as version 3.93 are kde-base, kde-base-data and > > kde-base-dev, which should be upgraded. All other kde4 packages, > > including those that are installed as well as those that are not, are > > marked as version 3.92, which, I thought, was beta1. > > Unfortunately the backports build servers are being slow as usual. > > Keep an eye on this page for kdebase-workspace being done in the next > hour or two > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feis >ty2 > > that will give you a functional kde 4 desktop. > > after that all the other modules will start compiling, which will take > until tomorrow at least. > > Jonathan From almilis at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:32:10 2007 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:32:10 +0700 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? Message-ID: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am not a pro C programmer, I recall that I could "man" the C stdio.h library (eg. "man putchar") - CMIIW. May I know which package that I should install? BTW: By accident (cut and paste), I've declared a new variable in the middle of a C program. The compiler did not complain. Is that legal? Eg. if (ii > 0) { aa = bb; int jj = 0; ... } regards, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From bootgr at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:38:28 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:38:28 -0500 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? In-Reply-To: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709071338v1ee5d6efi8c3b94ee9255b23f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/07, Ali Milis wrote: > Hi, > > I am not a pro C programmer, I recall that I could "man" > the C stdio.h library (eg. "man putchar") - CMIIW. > May I know which package that I should install? > > BTW: > By accident (cut and paste), I've declared a new > variable in the middle of a C program. The compiler > did not complain. Is that legal? Eg. > > if (ii > 0) { > aa = bb; > int jj = 0; > ... > } > > regards, > > -- > Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis > Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ > Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > Yeah, that's legal, but you can only use jj inside your if statement. It disappears after that. -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:42:04 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:42:04 -0400 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? In-Reply-To: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860709071342x405bc5c8k88f073f6b0e8b27@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/07, Ali Milis wrote: > Hi, > > I am not a pro C programmer, I recall that I could "man" > the C stdio.h library (eg. "man putchar") - CMIIW. > May I know which package that I should install? You could just go to google and type in "man stdio.h" and get plenty of online versions of the man page. > BTW: > By accident (cut and paste), I've declared a new > variable in the middle of a C program. The compiler > did not complain. Is that legal? Eg. > > if (ii > 0) { > aa = bb; > int jj = 0; > ... > } C++ allows for this and its only local to the if statement. > regards, > > -- > Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis > Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ > Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From macariov at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:42:12 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (Macario Valle) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:42:12 -0400 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? In-Reply-To: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189197732.5898.16.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> Yes, but it will only exist while inside the if statement. As for the man pages. I have no idea. i always keep my reference books close by when doing programming these days, not often. maybe some else knows. On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 03:32 +0700, Ali Milis wrote: > Hi, > > I am not a pro C programmer, I recall that I could "man" > the C stdio.h library (eg. "man putchar") - CMIIW. > May I know which package that I should install? > > BTW: > By accident (cut and paste), I've declared a new > variable in the middle of a C program. The compiler > did not complain. Is that legal? Eg. > > if (ii > 0) { > aa = bb; > int jj = 0; > ... > } > > regards, > > -- > Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis > Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ > Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > From almilis at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:59:25 2007 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:59:25 +0700 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860709071342x405bc5c8k88f073f6b0e8b27@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860709071342x405bc5c8k88f073f6b0e8b27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600709071359m63f9ec82q185131ef0ee48b3f@mail.gmail.com> Jared Greenwald wrote: > You could just go to google and type in "man stdio.h" and get plenty > of online versions of the man page. The package name was "manpages-dev" (thanks to Fajran). That package is quit handy to find out a function syntax as well as which header file to include. >> if (ii > 0) { >> aa = bb; >> int jj = 0; >> ... > C++ allows for this and its only local to the if statement. Yes, Java and C++ allow this. But does C? (It took me a while to find out, why my "jj" variable acts very funny. thank you for all, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Sep 7 21:42:13 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:42:13 -0700 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? References: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860709071342x405bc5c8k88f073f6b0e8b27@mail.gmail.com> <36135600709071359m63f9ec82q185131ef0ee48b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871wdagnka.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Ali Milis" writes: > Yes, Java and C++ allow this. But does C? C99 allows for this. C89 with GNU extensions also allow for this. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Sep 8 02:16:31 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:16:31 +0100 Subject: C Language Library Manual: which package? In-Reply-To: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600709071332t794f256aq5c6127ba195cb573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E205FF.1080903@stdin.me.uk> Ali Milis wrote: > Hi, > > I am not a pro C programmer, I recall that I could "man" > the C stdio.h library (eg. "man putchar") - CMIIW. > May I know which package that I should install? > > And to answer you original question, the development manpages are in the manpages-dev package. There are also some other language manpages in the manpages-??-dev packages (where '??' is the language code). Terence From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Sep 8 02:26:36 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:26:36 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <200709071458.19524.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <20070907101159.GG31474@muse.19inch.net> <200709071458.19524.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <46E2085C.20002@stdin.me.uk> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > kdebase-workspace says it depends on kde4base, but also conflicts with > kde4base?? > > Mike > That should be fixed now. Just so everyone knows, the main beta2 packages _should_ all now be available. However, some of the other beta2 modules (like kde4pim and kde4addons) are still from beta1, so not all packages are beta2 yet. Terence From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 07:40:10 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:40:10 +0200 Subject: apt-get error Message-ID: I don't understand this error. What is full, root is not and home is not, I checked? Thanks Douglas Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.29 (using .../linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb) ... The directory /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic still exists. Continuing as directed. Done. Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./boot/System.map-2.6.20-16-generic': No space left on device dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic Found kernel: /memtest86+.bin Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) From 316097 at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 08:21:56 2007 From: 316097 at gmail.com (Pierre Hansson) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:21:56 +0200 Subject: Video is not showing Message-ID: <200709081021.58129.316097@gmail.com> Hi everyone! I got a little problem that I haven't had before. I have a laptop sitting in it's dock, attached to it there's a monitor, keyboard etc. The problem is when playing videofiles or watching tv then the attached monitor doesn't show any video, but it does show on the laptop itself. It has worked before, but now, suddenly it doesn't, does anyone have a clue? Everything else show up fine, everything but video, all I get is black where the video is supposed to show up, and In all programs, well, things like YouTube and stuff works. Any help is appreciated. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Sep 8 10:25:36 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:25:36 +0100 Subject: apt-get error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E278A0.3070109@stdin.me.uk> Knapp wrote: > I don't understand this error. What is full, root is not and home is > not, I checked? > Thanks > Douglas > > > Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.29 (using > .../linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb) ... > The directory /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic still exists. Continuing > as directed. > Done. > Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic ... > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb > (--unpack): > failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during > `./boot/System.map-2.6.20-16-generic': No space left on device > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. > You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! > > Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub > Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst > Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... > Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic > Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic > Found kernel: /memtest86+.bin > Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done > > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > Do you have a separate /boot? What does "df -h" show? Terence From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 11:53:20 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:53:20 +0200 Subject: apt-get error In-Reply-To: <46E278A0.3070109@stdin.me.uk> References: <46E278A0.3070109@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 30G 8.5G 20G 31% / varrun 1006M 88K 1006M 1% /var/run varlock 1006M 0 1006M 0% /var/lock procbususb 1006M 108K 1006M 1% /proc/bus/usb udev 1006M 108K 1006M 1% /dev devshm 1006M 0 1006M 0% /dev/shm lrm 1006M 39M 968M 4% /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile /dev/sda1 37M 34M 1.1M 97% /boot /dev/sda7 88G 82G 1.3G 99% /home /dev/sda6 30G 30G 439M 99% /windows Yes, and so what should I erase to make this work? Some old kernel? How? What files? Thanks for the help! DEK On 9/8/07, Terence Simpson wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > I don't understand this error. What is full, root is not and home is > > not, I checked? > > Thanks > > Douglas > > > > > > Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.29 (using > > .../linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb) ... > > The directory /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic still exists. Continuing > > as directed. > > Done. > > Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic ... > > dpkg: error processing > > /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb > > (--unpack): > > failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during > > `./boot/System.map-2.6.20-16-generic': No space left on device > > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > > Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. > > You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! > > > > Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub > > Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst > > Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... > > Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic > > Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic > > Found kernel: /memtest86+.bin > > Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done > > > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic_2.6.20-16.31_amd64.deb > > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > > > Do you have a separate /boot? What does "df -h" show? > > Terence > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From bootgr at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 12:03:52 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:03:52 -0500 Subject: apt-get error In-Reply-To: References: <46E278A0.3070109@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <720b310e0709080503u73d8ddb7ldc762fdb5d7e114f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/8/07, Knapp wrote: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda5 30G 8.5G 20G 31% / > varrun 1006M 88K 1006M 1% /var/run > varlock 1006M 0 1006M 0% /var/lock > procbususb 1006M 108K 1006M 1% /proc/bus/usb > udev 1006M 108K 1006M 1% /dev > devshm 1006M 0 1006M 0% /dev/shm > lrm 1006M 39M 968M 4% > /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile > /dev/sda1 37M 34M 1.1M 97% /boot > /dev/sda7 88G 82G 1.3G 99% /home > /dev/sda6 30G 30G 439M 99% /windows > > Yes, and so what should I erase to make this work? Some old kernel? > How? What files? > Thanks for the help! > DEK > /dev/sda1 37M 34M 1.1M 97% /boot Is your problem, you can remove any OLD images you have installed by removing them with apt-get remove (image name) I see it found 20-15 you could remove it using apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic Greg From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 12:36:53 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:36:53 +0200 Subject: apt-get error -> resizing partitions. Message-ID: > apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic > > Greg > Thanks for that apt-get command! It is all working (I have not rebooted but it is still running well now.) Also I was wondering about the fact that root has only 31% usage and boot and home need room. Can the extra space be transfered somehow? How? Without backing up everything and reformatting the drive? Maybe I just need to buy a new drive? Thanks Douglas From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 8 13:32:48 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:32:48 -0400 Subject: apt-get error -> resizing partitions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709080932.49185.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 08 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > Also I was wondering about the fact that root has only 31% usage and > boot and home need room. Can the extra space be transfered somehow? > How? Without backing up everything and reformatting the drive? Maybe I > just need to buy a new drive? It's supposed to be possible to resize and rearrange partitions, but the no-risk quick and dirty alternative would be to simply use symlinks. That's what I usually do myself when I find I haven't given enough space to hold a particular directory. For example, you've got a few extra gigabytes on the / partition, and /home is running low, so you could create, say, a /data directory, chown/chmod it to give your user access, then create a symlink in your own /home/you directory so that /home/you/data points to /home/data. It would be easier to do this with a directory other than /boot. It's been so long since I fiddled with /boot that I can't predict what would happen if you moved your kernels from one partition to another. I'd have to go experiment, and I'm not really feeling that adventuresome this morning. -- D. Michael McIntyre From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Sep 8 14:54:51 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:54:51 +0200 Subject: apt-get error In-Reply-To: References: <46E278A0.3070109@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200709081654.51424.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 08 September 2007 13:53, Knapp wrote: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda5 30G 8.5G 20G 31% / > varrun 1006M 88K 1006M 1% /var/run > varlock 1006M 0 1006M 0% /var/lock > procbususb 1006M 108K 1006M 1% /proc/bus/usb > udev 1006M 108K 1006M 1% /dev > devshm 1006M 0 1006M 0% /dev/shm > lrm 1006M 39M 968M 4% > /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile > /dev/sda1 37M 34M 1.1M 97% /boot > /dev/sda7 88G 82G 1.3G 99% /home > /dev/sda6 30G 30G 439M 99% /windows > > Yes, and so what should I erase to make this work? Some old kernel? > How? What files? > Thanks for the help! > DEK > (snip) Hi, Greg correctly stated /dev/sda1 37M 34M 1.1M 97% /boot was the problem, since this is where a linux-image has to go. I don't know how well Linux manages a partition 99% full but I've always heard that you pay a heavy penalty with M$, the files tend to get fragmented and all disk activity will take longer. I also belive it is an invitation for disaster to have some installation suddently halt for lack of space. I am sure you can back up or discard plenty of stuff to make some more room. Else get a second drive. Perry -- BOFH excuse #61: not approved by the FCC From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Sep 8 15:04:59 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:04:59 +0200 Subject: apt-get error In-Reply-To: <200709081654.51424.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200709081654.51424.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200709081704.59769.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 08 September 2007 16:54, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: (snip) > I am sure you can back up or discard plenty of stuff to make some more > room. Else get a second drive. Ooops, sorry for redundant answer, this thread "apt-get error" was finished and I failed to notice a new related one, "apt-get error -> resizing partitions." had started and got answered. Perry -- BOFH excuse #141: disks spinning backwards - toggle the hemisphere jumper From ansari.farid at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 15:13:56 2007 From: ansari.farid at gmail.com (Farid Ansari) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:13:56 +0500 Subject: Run Command Message-ID: <27b81ea70709080813y3bfc2207q583b5b494b6a59a8@mail.gmail.com> *I am unable to locate the Run command on Ubuntu 7.04. * *Please someone help.* *Thanks,* *Farid* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sat Sep 8 15:38:18 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:38:18 +0200 Subject: Run Command In-Reply-To: <27b81ea70709080813y3bfc2207q583b5b494b6a59a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <27b81ea70709080813y3bfc2207q583b5b494b6a59a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709081738.18759.kassube@gmx.net> Farid Ansari wrote: > *I am unable to locate the Run command on Ubuntu 7.04. * Use key shortcut Alt+F2 or you can find it in the K-menu. Nils From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Sep 8 15:56:12 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:56:12 +0300 Subject: Memory question In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709030100s7d817ed2qaa637359ff44fcc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> <46DAE40C.50700@swbell.net> <46DAE9AF.90804@rmk.co.il> <5e33e3860709030100s7d817ed2qaa637359ff44fcc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E2C61C.1040506@rmk.co.il> Paul Varjak wrote: > Hello Nigel. > > It can, of course, be a problem of the memory slot. But the > probability laws are playing in your team. It's almost sure you'll > solve the problem changing the memory module, so give it a try. If not > you will have to invest some money in a rhum bottle just to forget. > Nothing happens. > > Paul. > I just checked on another laptop which uses the same [similar] memory modules - my memory modules works in the other laptop and its memory doesn't work in my laptop - which means that my slot is dead :-( So, Feather Linux will have to stay (I'm left with only 64 MB RAM) :-( Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From macariov at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 15:58:29 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (Macario Valle) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:58:29 -0400 Subject: Run Command In-Reply-To: <200709081738.18759.kassube@gmx.net> References: <27b81ea70709080813y3bfc2207q583b5b494b6a59a8@mail.gmail.com> <200709081738.18759.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1189267109.5898.22.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> On Kubuntu the Run Command is un the menu fourth up from bottom. On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 17:38 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > Farid Ansari wrote: > > *I am unable to locate the Run command on Ubuntu 7.04. * > > Use key shortcut Alt+F2 or you can find it in the K-menu. > > > Nils > From macariov at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 16:00:11 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (Macario Valle) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:00:11 -0400 Subject: Memory question In-Reply-To: <46E2C61C.1040506@rmk.co.il> References: <46DADA5E.4000204@rmk.co.il> <46DAE40C.50700@swbell.net> <46DAE9AF.90804@rmk.co.il> <5e33e3860709030100s7d817ed2qaa637359ff44fcc6@mail.gmail.com> <46E2C61C.1040506@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1189267211.5898.25.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> Either that or replace the rom software and buy a much bigger RAM module. ... and who know your current rom might just support larger modules. On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 18:56 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Paul Varjak wrote: > > Hello Nigel. > > > > It can, of course, be a problem of the memory slot. But the > > probability laws are playing in your team. It's almost sure you'll > > solve the problem changing the memory module, so give it a try. If not > > you will have to invest some money in a rhum bottle just to forget. > > Nothing happens. > > > > Paul. > > > > I just checked on another laptop which uses the same [similar] memory modules - my > memory modules works in the other laptop and its memory doesn't work in my laptop > - which means that my slot is dead :-( > > So, Feather Linux will have to stay (I'm left with only 64 MB RAM) :-( > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > > > From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Sep 8 17:16:44 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:16:44 -0700 Subject: current kernel source package? References: <256f4e900709041013l5b704a5er4c73ccabcd12b1fb@mail.gmail.com> <46DD981B.1010101@tiscali.co.uk> <46DD9CFA.2020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <874pi5hybn.fsf@fjellstad.org> "D. R. Evans" writes: > I am hopeful that in more recent versions of kubuntu than dapper this > is handled more automatically. It's far too easy for me to forget to > get the new headers after getting a kernel update :-( (Since 8.04 is > supposed to be the next Ubuntu LTS version, I expect to be making that > move next year, and I do hope that this will be a thing of the past at > that point.) Just install linux-headers-generic and linux-image-generic. Then both gets tracked to the latest version -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Sep 9 10:21:34 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:21:34 +0100 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order Message-ID: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> I've just bought an iriver T60 music player. The ogg tracks I've ripped using grip play without problems and the sound is excellent, but does anybody know how to get them to play in the same order as they are on the album? I have always ripped tracks so that they appear in alphabetical order, and using Rhythmbox on the PC they all play in the correct order, but the T60 scrambles the playing order every time. I've tried with both ogg and mp3 formats, it makes no difference. Does anybody know how to get them to play in the correct order on the T60 please? Dave Fletcher -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Sep 9 10:37:05 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:37:05 +0100 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order In-Reply-To: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200709091137.05639.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 09 September 2007 11:21:34 David Fletcher wrote: > I've just bought an iriver T60 music player. > > The ogg tracks I've ripped using grip play without problems and the sound > is excellent, but does anybody know how to get them to play in the same > order as they are on the album? > > I have always ripped tracks so that they appear in alphabetical order, and > using Rhythmbox on the PC they all play in the correct order, but the T60 > scrambles the playing order every time. > > I've tried with both ogg and mp3 formats, it makes no difference. > > Does anybody know how to get them to play in the correct order on the T60 > please? > > Dave Fletcher Have you tried renaming them so that the file name starts with the track number? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 10:37:06 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:37:06 +0200 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order In-Reply-To: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <46E3CCD2.8050506@gmail.com> > Does anybody know how to get them to play in the correct order on the T60 > please? I don't know that player, but on mine I have taken to padding the song names with 000x so that 0001, 0002, 0003 and so forth will provide proper sorting. hth /d From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Sep 9 10:46:46 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:46:46 +0100 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order In-Reply-To: <200709091137.05639.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709091137.05639.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709091146.46501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 09 Sep 2007, Mark Fraser wrote: > On Sunday 09 September 2007 11:21:34 David Fletcher wrote: > > Have you tried renaming them so that the file name starts with the track > number? I've tried 0x_name.ogg, t0x_name.ogg, track0x.ogg, track0x.mp3 none of which worked for me. I'll try padding with an extra couple of zeros like Donn suggests in a little while. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From bootgr at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 12:53:16 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:53:16 -0600 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order In-Reply-To: <200709091146.46501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709091137.05639.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200709091146.46501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709090553o74bd4c5bp5f7e313f00f16626@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/07, David Fletcher wrote: > On Sunday 09 Sep 2007, Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Sunday 09 September 2007 11:21:34 David Fletcher wrote: > > > > Have you tried renaming them so that the file name starts with the track > > number? > > I've tried 0x_name.ogg, t0x_name.ogg, track0x.ogg, track0x.mp3 none of which > worked for me. > > I'll try padding with an extra couple of zeros like Donn suggests in a little > while. > > Dave > I don't know why you'd need more than one 0 padding, I can't see any album getting over 99 songs, even the "collected works of" type setups. -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From paulvarjak at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 13:16:25 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:16:25 +0200 Subject: automatix2 Message-ID: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> I don't like it, so I uninstalled it. But anyone knows what happens with the apps I installed with it? Thanks. Paul. From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Sep 9 13:52:22 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:52:22 +0300 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order In-Reply-To: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <46E3FA96.50809@rmk.co.il> David Fletcher wrote: > I've just bought an iriver T60 music player. > > The ogg tracks I've ripped using grip play without problems and the sound is > excellent, but does anybody know how to get them to play in the same order as > they are on the album? > > I have always ripped tracks so that they appear in alphabetical order, and > using Rhythmbox on the PC they all play in the correct order, but the T60 > scrambles the playing order every time. > > I've tried with both ogg and mp3 formats, it makes no difference. > > Does anybody know how to get them to play in the correct order on the T60 > please? > > Dave Fletcher > > Courtesy of Matt Flaschen from an earlier thread (Re: KAudioCreator and Mp3 player playing order): [You need to use id3v2] KAudioCreator uses lame's command-line interface already. Here's how to add the option: 1. Open KAudioCreator. 2. Click the "Settings" menu. 3. Click Configure KAudioCreator... 4. Click the Encoder tab (on left). 5. Click Lame in the top list. 6. Click "Configure" in the upper right. 7. Add " --id3v2-only" (no quotes but a space before the --) at the end of the "Command-line field" Tell me how that works out. Matt Flaschen Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 15:41:40 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:41:40 +0200 Subject: automatix2 In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know but I assume that the best way to get rid of the apps that it installed would be to use it to do it. On the other hand I could be wrong about that and would love to hear others thoughts about that. Douglas From tim at johnsons-web.com Sun Sep 9 23:34:14 2007 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:34:14 -0800 Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' Message-ID: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> I'm using Feisty Fawn - Kernel 2.6.20-16-generic x86_64, KDE 3.5.6 Frequently, the "Run Command" Dialogue "Freezes" IOWS: The dialogue launches, but I am unable to type in a command and Attempts to `kill` the window are ignored. I must then restart X to resume functionality. Any ideas? Thanks Tim From werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Sep 10 05:33:18 2007 From: werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk (Rod Joyce) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:33:18 +0100 Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' In-Reply-To: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <200709100633.18614.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> On Monday 10 September 2007 00:34:14 Tim Johnson wrote: > I'm using Feisty Fawn - Kernel 2.6.20-16-generic x86_64, KDE 3.5.6 > > Frequently, the "Run Command" Dialogue "Freezes" > > IOWS: The dialogue launches, but I am unable to type in a command and > Attempts to `kill` the window are ignored. I must then restart X to > resume functionality. > > Any ideas? > Thanks > Tim Have you tried killing the window from Ksysguard or Konsole? Rod From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 06:56:31 2007 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:56:31 +0200 Subject: Problems installing Matlab 7.04 Message-ID: <46E4EA9F.2080208@gmail.com> Hi, I have problems installing Matlab 7.04 in Kubuntu Feisty. Here is what I did. I first copied the license file to //opt/matlab/. Then I mounted the iso file with the command /sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /media/cdrom0/cdrom0/Mathworks.Matlab.R2007a.UNIX.DVD.ISO-TBE/matu2k7l.iso /media/mountpoint1/./ Then I started the installation, /sudo sh /media/mountpoint1/install./ I chose the Matlab root directory location, //opt/matlab./ I marked the x86 platform and all the items. When the installation was done a pushed the "exit"-botton. Then I got the following error messages in the console: /The following messages were written to standard error while running 'xsetup' the X Window System version of 'install'. Error reading /media/mountpoint1/update/pd/matlab/glnx86/tar.enc Error reading /media/mountpoint1/update/pd/toolbox/stateflo/tar.enc Error reading /media/mountpoint1/update/pd/toolbox/mdce/tar.enc /Nevertheless I continued the installation process with the command, /sudo sh /opt/matlab/install_matlab/. I answered /yes/ to all the questions and the installation should be finished. Then when I tryed to run Matlab I got the following error message: /Warning: Cannot locate Java Runtime Environment (JRE) . . . 1. Either a correct JRE was not available for redistribution when this release was shipped, in which case you should refer to the Release Notes for additional information about how to get it. 2. Or you have tried to use the MATLAB_JAVA environment variable to specify an alternate JRE, but MATLAB cannot find it. Please run 'matlab -n' to determine what value you are using for MATLAB_JAVA and fix accordingly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- matlab: No MATLAB executable for this machine architecture. /opt/matlab/bin/glnx86/MATLAB does not exist!/ The first error regarding Java I corrected by changing a path to Java in the file //usr/local/bin/matlab. /So now I am stuck with this error: /matlab: No MATLAB executable for this machine architecture. /opt/matlab/bin/glnx86/MATLAB does not exist! / Has anybody got the same problems or does anybody know what to do about it...? Regards Casper From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 07:00:25 2007 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:00:25 +0200 Subject: Problems installing Matlab 7.4.0 (correction) Message-ID: <46E4EB89.4060500@gmail.com> Sorry it was Matlab 7.4.0 and not Matlab 7.0.4. Regards Casper From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 07:05:31 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:05:31 +0200 Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' In-Reply-To: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <46E4ECBB.2000907@gmail.com> > Attempts to `kill` the window are ignored. I must then restart X to > resume functionality. I am not on Kubuntu right now, but I think the magic keys are: Ctrl + Alt + Esc That should give you a little skull and crossbones which will murderize anything you click on. Beware: It will kill kdesktop if you miss! Hit esc to clear the function. hth /d From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Mon Sep 10 11:31:00 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:31:00 +0100 Subject: lexpat Message-ID: <20070910123100.48e68853.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> I am trying to install the latest version of gpsbabel from source. I get the error message when I run make install. /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lexpat collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [gpsbabel] Error 1 Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Neil Winchurst From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 11:50:43 2007 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:50:43 +0400 Subject: lexpat In-Reply-To: <20070910123100.48e68853.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070910123100.48e68853.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <46E52F93.3000705@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I am trying to install the latest version of gpsbabel from source. I > get the error message when I run make install. > > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lexpat > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make: *** [gpsbabel] Error 1 > > Can anyone point me in the right direction please? > > Neil Winchurst > > Try to install expat XML parsing library before compilation. Most probably this could be done by sudo apt-get install libexpat1 From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Mon Sep 10 15:10:50 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:10:50 +0100 Subject: lexpat In-Reply-To: <46E52F93.3000705@gmail.com> References: <20070910123100.48e68853.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46E52F93.3000705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070910161050.e57e8315.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:50:43 +0400 Alexander Smirnov wrote: > > > Try to install expat XML parsing library before compilation. Most > probably this could be done by > sudo apt-get install libexpat1 > I have done that and libexpat1 is now installed. I still get the same error message. Neil From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 10 15:45:51 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200 Subject: lexpat In-Reply-To: <20070910161050.e57e8315.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070910123100.48e68853.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46E52F93.3000705@gmail.com> <20070910161050.e57e8315.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709101745.51940.kassube@gmx.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:50:43 +0400 > > Alexander Smirnov wrote: > > Try to install expat XML parsing library before compilation. Most > > probably this could be done by > > sudo apt-get install libexpat1 > > I have done that and libexpat1 is now installed. I still get the same > error message. Probably you need package libexpat1-dev as well. Nils From tim at johnsons-web.com Mon Sep 10 16:03:52 2007 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:03:52 -0800 Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' In-Reply-To: <200709100633.18614.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200709100633.18614.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709100803.52578.tim@johnsons-web.com> On Sunday 09 September 2007, Rod Joyce wrote: > > Have you tried killing the window from Ksysguard or Konsole? > Rod No, but that would probably work. As for Neil's comment: I just realized that some combinations of ctrl-alt-escape don't work, but found one that does. However, it gets worse. If I kill the dialogue, the next instance doesn't work either. And now, if I log out, instead of getting kdm, I get a black screen - not a console and must do a hard reboot. I had this same problem when I first installed kubuntu, and I was informed that it is related to a known bug that can be 'fixed' by an edit in xorg.conf. I made that edit but :-( I don't remember what it was that was changed. Now that I have installed a new monitor and kubuntu has rewritten xorg.conf, I'm beginning to suspect that the same edit is needed. Tim From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 10 16:00:20 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:00:20 -0400 Subject: Today's Gutsy updates broke my display Message-ID: <200709101200.30011.art.alexion@verizon.net> I can't do a screen shot because that doesn't show the problem. After running the daily updates via aptitude and rebooting (there was a kernel update) a horizontal black band, approximately 1/6 of my screen in vertical height, running the full width of my screen obscures my work space. I tried poking around in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what to change. Hardware is Intel i810 video chipset and a Dell 4:3 flatscreen monitor which likes 1280x1024 60hz If this isn't clear, I can do a screen shot and paint the black band with the Gimp. The mouse disappears in the black band. There is no problem with the other character based ttys. Knoppix boot disc does not display the band. I don't think this is relevant, but the monitor/keyboard/mouse is connected to a kvm with this kubuntu gutsy box, an xubuntu feisty box and a win XP box. All working fine except this one. Please help. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 10 16:20:11 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:20:11 -0400 Subject: Today's Gutsy updates broke my display Message-ID: <200709101220.21309.art.alexion@verizon.net> I can't do a screen shot because that doesn't show the problem. After running the daily updates via aptitude and rebooting (there was a kernel update) a horizontal black band, approximately 1/6 of my screen in vertical height, running the full width of my screen obscures my work space. I tried poking around in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what to change. Hardware is Intel i810 video chipset and a Dell 4:3 flatscreen monitor which likes 1280x1024 60hz If this isn't clear, I can do a screen shot and paint the black band with the Gimp. The mouse disappears in the black band. There is no problem with the other character based ttys. Knoppix boot disc does not display the band. 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URL: From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Mon Sep 10 16:22:13 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:22:13 +0100 Subject: lexpat In-Reply-To: <200709101745.51940.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20070910123100.48e68853.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46E52F93.3000705@gmail.com> <20070910161050.e57e8315.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709101745.51940.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20070910172213.dc36a7e1.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200 Nils Kassube wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:50:43 +0400 > > > > Alexander Smirnov wrote: > > > Try to install expat XML parsing library before compilation. Most > > > probably this could be done by > > > sudo apt-get install libexpat1 > > > > I have done that and libexpat1 is now installed. I still get the same > > error message. > > Probably you need package libexpat1-dev as well. > > > Nils Thanks, that sorted it. Now I just have to find out how to use it!!! Neil From bach.michael at gmx.net Mon Sep 10 18:39:28 2007 From: bach.michael at gmx.net (Michael Bach (gmx)) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:39:28 +0200 Subject: Today's Gutsy updates broke my display In-Reply-To: <200709101220.21309.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200709101220.21309.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46E58F60.1050902@gmx.net> Art Alexion wrote: > I can't do a screen shot because that doesn't show the problem. After running > the daily updates via aptitude and rebooting (there was a kernel update) a > horizontal black band, approximately 1/6 of my screen in vertical height, > running the full width of my screen obscures my work space. I tried poking > around in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what to change. > > Hardware is Intel i810 video chipset and a Dell 4:3 flatscreen monitor which > likes 1280x1024 60hz > > If this isn't clear, I can do a screen shot and paint the black band with the > Gimp. > > The mouse disappears in the black band. There is no problem with the other > character based ttys. Knoppix boot disc does not display the band. > > I don't think this is relevant, but the monitor/keyboard/mouse is connected to > a kvm with this kubuntu gutsy box, an xubuntu feisty box and a win XP box. > All working fine except this one. Please help. > Hi Alex, two things come to my mind: 1.) Is the black band already present when you boot (grub-menu if any, boot splash)? 2.) Change the refresh rate in xorg.conf and see what happens. regards, Mike From werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Sep 10 19:31:30 2007 From: werepenguin at blueyonder.co.uk (Rod Joyce) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:31:30 +0100 Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' In-Reply-To: <200709100803.52578.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200709100633.18614.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> <200709100803.52578.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <200709102031.30343.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> On Monday 10 September 2007 17:03:52 Tim Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 09 September 2007, Rod Joyce wrote: > > Have you tried killing the window from Ksysguard or Konsole? > > Rod > > No, but that would probably work. As for Neil's comment: > I just realized that some combinations of ctrl-alt-escape don't > work, but found one that does. > However, it gets worse. If I kill the dialogue, the next instance doesn't > work either. And now, if I log out, instead of getting kdm, I get a black > screen - not a console and must do a hard reboot. > > I had this same problem when I first installed kubuntu, and I was informed > that it is related to a known bug that can be 'fixed' by an edit in > xorg.conf. I made that edit but :-( I don't remember what it was that was > changed. > > Now that I have installed a new monitor and kubuntu has rewritten > xorg.conf, I'm beginning to suspect that the same edit is needed. > > Tim Ah Ha! I had problems after my old CRT monitor died last month. I replaced it with a TFT one with a manufacturer's recommended resolution of 1280x1024 at 60MHz and found that 1) sometimes the picture would freeze 2) no matter what resolution I chose in KDE System Settings -> Monitor & Display, the system would reset itself to 640x480 every time the computer booted so I could only see a quarter of the desktop at a time 3) only the default user (me) had a picture, any other user (the rest of the family who rapidly got very fed up) had a desktop that was possibly at 1280x1024 but so full of snow and ghost images that nothing worked 4) my pc didn't take any notice of ctrl-alt-escape 5) when booting from the live/install DVD the resolution I wanted (and recommended by he manufacturer) 1280x1024 was selected and ran faultlessly In the end I went into console mode on booting and copied the xorg.conf file from the live DVD to /etc/X11/. This was a partially satisfactory solution, as it was still unstable at times, the resolutions in System Settings-> Monitor and Display were inaccurate and I couldn't make any permanent changes that way. I finally cured the problem by following the hint in xorg.conf itself to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg This gave me a stable 1024x768 desktop. I couldn't and still can't persuade the package configurator to let me enter any resolution at all other than the three it preselects from 1024x768 downwards so I edited xorg.conf manually. The relevant sections are Section "Monitor" identifier "Generic Monitor" vendorname "Generic" modelname "1280x1024 @ 60 Hz" HorizSync 31.5-64.3 VertRefresh 50-70 modeline "640x480 at 60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync modeline "800x600 at 56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync modeline "800x600 at 60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync modeline "1024x768 at 70" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync modeline "1024x768 at 60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync modeline "1280x960 at 60" 102.1 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 994 -hsync +vsync modeline "1280x1024 at 60" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync gamma 1.0 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Generic Video Card" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" depth 24 virtual 1280 1024 modes "1280x1024 at 60" "1280x960 at 60" "1024x768 at 60" "1024x768 at 70" "800x600 at 60" "800x600 at 56" "640x480 at 60" EndSubSection EndSection and Section "screen" # identifier "screen1" device "device1" defaultdepth 24 monitor "monitor1" EndSection Why this should work, I do not know, but it does. I bought the monitor from the shop round the corner, it was a bargain, and I'm pleased with it, but it's an I-Inc and the only specs I could find were in Chinese... Rod From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 10 19:47:07 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:47:07 -0400 Subject: Today's Gutsy updates broke my display In-Reply-To: <46E58F60.1050902@gmx.net> References: <200709101220.21309.art.alexion@verizon.net> <46E58F60.1050902@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709101547.14078.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 10 September 2007 14:39:28 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > 1.) Is the black band already present when you boot (grub-menu if any, > boot splash)? No. Nor is it visible on tty3 or tty1 (runlevel 3) Only with X at every resolution. > 2.) Change the refresh rate in xorg.conf and see what happens. Please be more specific. The monitor likes 1280x1024 @ 60hz The following provides further details Display Mode Horizontal Vertical Pixel Clock Sync Polarity (hor./vert.) VESA, 1280 x 1024 64.0 60.0 108.0 +/+ VESA, 1280 x 1024 80.0 75.0 135.0 +/+ One last thing, version 2.11.92 of Evolution, which version is part of Gutsy, is needed for my work. The version in Feisty does not access certain necessary features on an Exchange server. So, with the monitor problem, I upgraded the xubuntu feisty box to gutsy, and now the same problem is there too. It was not present on feisty today, nor was the problem present with Gutsy last week. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tim at johnsons-web.com Mon Sep 10 20:20:42 2007 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:20:42 -0800 Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' In-Reply-To: <200709102031.30343.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200709091534.15016.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200709100803.52578.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200709102031.30343.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709101220.42689.tim@johnsons-web.com> On Monday 10 September 2007, Rod Joyce wrote: > Why this should work, I do not know, but it does. > > I bought the monitor from the shop round the corner, it was a bargain, and > I'm pleased with it, but it's an I-Inc and the only specs I could find were > in Chinese... :-) I've been a programmer for 20 years, but I swear, there's still so much that still looks like chinese to me (regardless of the source). Your input is serendipitious - I've got an issue with my monitor for sure, but I also found that some(body|nome|bot) had commented out the following line: TerminateServer=true in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc in the [X-:*-Core] section. Enabling the directive solves the logout problem, it may be some time before or if any problems with the "Run Command" dialogue resurface. In the meantime, I must look over your xorg code regarding my monitor. thanks Rod. Tim From knightlust at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 10 20:25:49 2007 From: knightlust at ubuntu.com (Dax Solomon Umaming) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:25:49 +0800 Subject: automatix2 In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709110426.05569.knightlust@ubuntu.com> On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:16:25 Paul Varjak wrote: > I don't like it, so I uninstalled it. But anyone knows what happens > with the apps I installed with it? The apps remains installed. It really doesn't affect anything. You can also uninstall the said apps using Adept or Aptitude. -- Dax Solomon Umaming http://knightlust.com/ GPG: 0x715C3547 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 21:17:28 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:17:28 -0400 Subject: Color Profile ! Message-ID: <200709101717.28135.cms0009@gmail.com> is there a application or setting to set the lcd to a certain color profile ? I want to use sRGB for all application, and inlcuding printing. TIA Richard From bach.michael at gmx.net Mon Sep 10 22:47:51 2007 From: bach.michael at gmx.net (Michael Bach (gmx)) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:47:51 +0200 Subject: Today's Gutsy updates broke my display In-Reply-To: <200709101547.14078.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200709101220.21309.art.alexion@verizon.net> <46E58F60.1050902@gmx.net> <200709101547.14078.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46E5C997.5010602@gmx.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 10 September 2007 14:39:28 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: >> 1.) Is the black band already present when you boot (grub-menu if any, >> boot splash)? > > No. Nor is it visible on tty3 or tty1 (runlevel 3) Only with X at every > resolution. > >> 2.) Change the refresh rate in xorg.conf and see what happens. > > Please be more specific. You could boot the system with knoppix or a working ubuntu flavor and see how the automatic hardware detection configures the refresh rates (xorg.conf). Without knoppix/ubuntu, you can safely try a refresh rate of 70Hz. Are you providng a single value (I assume that would be the 60Hz) or a range? Else, without changing refresh rates, you can try to switch to the X frame buffer driver. This will reduce graphics performance, but since the frame-buffer boot-splash is ok, chances are that X will be ok as well. The driver is called "vesafb" or only "vesa". Can somebody please confirm or correct on the driver name?! If the frame-buffer works, that would show that you're ok with the refresh rates. However, what is strange is, that you're saying the band does not appear on screen-shots. It sounds like as there may be something wrong with the graphics drivers. Have you gone through the gutsy changelogs to find anything happened to the graphics-drivers? > > The monitor likes 1280x1024 @ 60hz > > The following provides further details > Display Mode Horizontal Vertical Pixel Clock Sync Polarity (hor./vert.) > VESA, 1280 x 1024 64.0 60.0 108.0 +/+ > VESA, 1280 x 1024 80.0 75.0 135.0 +/+ > > One last thing, version 2.11.92 of Evolution, which version is part of Gutsy, > is needed for my work. The version in Feisty does not access certain > necessary features on an Exchange server. So, with the monitor problem, I > upgraded the xubuntu feisty box to gutsy, and now the same problem is there > too. It was not present on feisty today, nor was the problem present with > Gutsy last week. > > > From paulvarjak at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 23:26:13 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:26:13 +0200 Subject: automatix2 In-Reply-To: <200709110426.05569.knightlust@ubuntu.com> References: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> <200709110426.05569.knightlust@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <5e33e3860709101626s44da583ayaa85b33553d3033b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. Before your answer I reinstalled automatix, I uninstalled the apps and I uninstalled automatix again. After that it came the work of installing again my apps... which was not quite difficult so I'm happy to have got rid of automatix. Thanks. Paul. On 9/10/07, Dax Solomon Umaming wrote: > On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:16:25 Paul Varjak wrote: > > I don't like it, so I uninstalled it. But anyone knows what happens > > with the apps I installed with it? > > The apps remains installed. It really doesn't affect anything. You can also > uninstall the said apps using Adept or Aptitude. > > -- > Dax Solomon Umaming > http://knightlust.com/ > GPG: 0x715C3547 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > From mmorse757 at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 23:44:47 2007 From: mmorse757 at gmail.com (J. Michael Morse) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:44:47 -0500 Subject: nVidia Driver Message-ID: Ver 6.06 LTS I am trying to install the nVidia driver for my card. I get the following error: " Unable to find the kernal source tree." I used Synaptic to download the kernal sources (I think that is what it installed . . . ) but I don't know what directory it was put in. Sooooo . . . what directory are the kernal source files in with a 6.06 system? Thanks! Michael -- "Careful. We don't want to learn from this." - Calvin From lists at ptfd.org Tue Sep 11 02:33:42 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:33:42 -0400 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <46E2085C.20002@stdin.me.uk> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200709071458.19524.lists@ptfd.org> <46E2085C.20002@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200709102233.42475.lists@ptfd.org> Thanks, Terence, works now. Now however the install is just plain. I setup according to the instructions on kubuntu.org. I can loginto a kde4 session, but there is no menu, kicker, etc... only a wallpaper saying a new desktop. And some toolbox that for the most part is non functional. now, I hope noone flames me, I am well aware this is BETA! I like using beta software and attempting to assist a developer in finding bugs... etc... but is this all kde4 is at this time? I did try and install some other kde4 stuff that comes up with the kubuntu installer by filtering on kde4. everything went ok.. Is this it, or is there anissue with my system. My 3.5.7 works great with a small hal problem that I need to repair. Mike On Friday 07 September 2007 10:26:36 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > kdebase-workspace says it depends on kde4base, but also conflicts with > > kde4base?? > > > > Mike > > That should be fixed now. > > Just so everyone knows, the main beta2 packages _should_ all now be > available. However, some of the other beta2 modules (like kde4pim and > kde4addons) are still from beta1, so not all packages are beta2 yet. > > Terence From lists at ptfd.org Tue Sep 11 02:39:32 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:39:32 -0400 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) Message-ID: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> I have a specific software need for my fire department. I have preplans that are now organized into a mssql database and app made for winblows. I curreently use vmplayer and xp to run it, but I think there should be som linux native stuff that would do this. 1. mapping. I need to be able to enter an address into the toughbook in the fire truck or ambulance and have the mapping app show me where it is. I dont care so much about directions just a location. 2. Preplanning. Organizing all my preplanning documents for all my occupancies (businesses, homes etc...) so a fire officer can graphically pull the information up and display it. It needs to be easy to find and quick no matter the type of info, ie .jpg's, .pdf's, cad drawings, msds, etc.... Any ideas appreciated. I am trying to get my Fire department away from the vmplayer and xp sessions and totally native linux. Mike From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 10 14:07:13 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:07:13 -0300 Subject: automatix2 References: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > I don't know but I assume that the best way to get rid of the apps > that it installed would be to use it to do it. On the other hand I > could be wrong about that and would love to hear others thoughts about > that. Doesn't automatix just add repositories for apt? In which case, all the packages remain on the system, but can be removed by normal apt tools or will be updated from the other repositories in your sources.list if newer versions become available. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 10 14:04:17 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:04:17 -0300 Subject: apt-get error -> resizing partitions. References: <200709080932.49185.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <2gvfr4-u24.ln1@pointerstop.ca> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 08 September 2007, Knapp wrote: >> Also I was wondering about the fact that root has only 31% usage and >> boot and home need room. Can the extra space be transfered somehow? >> How? Without backing up everything and reformatting the drive? Maybe I >> just need to buy a new drive? > > It's supposed to be possible to resize and rearrange partitions, but the > no-risk quick and dirty alternative would be to simply use symlinks. > That's what I usually do myself when I find I haven't given enough space > to hold a particular directory. ... > It would be easier to do this with a directory other than /boot. It's > been so long since I fiddled with /boot that I can't predict what would > happen if you > moved your kernels from one partition to another. I'd have to go > experiment, and I'm not really feeling that adventuresome this morning. I would suggest that, unless it is necessary to have a /boot because you're sharing it with multiple other OSes (unlikely with a mere 37M partition), you'd be better off to just move all of /boot back under /, completely remove the /boot partition, and reinstall grub (so that it points to the right partition). The major problem with having a /boot partition is that it's a complete waste of space to give it more room than you need for at most two images, but occasionally you want a third, or fourth... -- derek From sniffy at rogers.com Tue Sep 11 04:30:29 2007 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:30:29 -0400 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <200709102233.42475.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <46E2085C.20002@stdin.me.uk> <200709102233.42475.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200709110030.29555.sniffy@rogers.com> I can say that I seem to be in a similar situation. I just upgraded to gutsy and followed the instructions on kubuntu. When I log into the KDE 4 session, I get: - runner - plasma developer toolbox - where kicker is/supposed to be I get two widgets that say: This object could not be created I was under the impression that a number of additional plasma applets were included/available with the beta (judging from articles from the dot and such). As it is, there isn't a lot that I can do within a kde 4 session atm? Even exiting the session I resorted to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE :O. Will the kubuntu kde4 packages get updated periodically or is this it till the next kde beta? I'm not familiar with kdebase-workspace, what is it supposed to include that isn't in any of the 'standard' kde packages (libs, pimlibs, base...)? I sort of assumed that it would include goodies that haven't made it into the kde trunk yet. thanks -- chris On Monday 10 September 2007 22:33:42 Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > Thanks, Terence, works now. > > Now however the install is just plain. I setup according to the > instructions on kubuntu.org. I can loginto a kde4 session, but there is no > menu, kicker, etc... only a wallpaper saying a new desktop. And some > toolbox that for the most part is non functional. > now, I hope noone flames me, I am well aware this is BETA! I like using > beta software and attempting to assist a developer in finding bugs... > etc... but is this all kde4 is at this time? I did try and install some > other kde4 stuff that comes up with the kubuntu installer by filtering on > kde4. everything went ok.. > > Is this it, or is there anissue with my system. My 3.5.7 works great with a > small hal problem that I need to repair. > > Mike > > On Friday 07 September 2007 10:26:36 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > > kdebase-workspace says it depends on kde4base, but also conflicts with > > > kde4base?? > > > > > > Mike > > > > That should be fixed now. > > > > Just so everyone knows, the main beta2 packages _should_ all now be > > available. However, some of the other beta2 modules (like kde4pim and > > kde4addons) are still from beta1, so not all packages are beta2 yet. > > > > Terence From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 05:01:04 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:01:04 +0200 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) In-Reply-To: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: Hello Mike, I would bet being a fire department that you would be able to get a lot of help setting this up. We all like to be saved and I think many would like to help you do it. If others don't have ideas perhaps you could start a small open source project to get what you need. So open source there are 2 main programs for SQL mysql and postgree sql. Mysql is not totally open source as best I can tell but is still used by a lot of people but owned by one company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysql PostgreSQL is totally open source and is very good too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL Well that is all I can add. I know others will follow with much more info. Good luck! Douglas From kassube at gmx.net Tue Sep 11 05:21:54 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:21:54 +0200 Subject: nVidia Driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709110721.54718.kassube@gmx.net> J. Michael Morse wrote: > Ver 6.06 LTS > > I am trying to install the nVidia driver for my card. I get the > following error: " Unable to > find the kernal source tree." I used Synaptic to download the kernal > sources (I think that > is what it installed . . . ) but I don't know what directory it was > put in. Sooooo . . . what directory are the kernal source files in > with a 6.06 system? I never downloaded the entire kernel source, only the kernel headers. That is enough for the nvidia driver compilation. Anyway, have a look at the directory /usr/src where you will find one or more subdirectories with the kernel source / headers. The actual directory name depends on the kernel version. Nils From stdin at stdin.me.uk Tue Sep 11 06:26:18 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:26:18 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <200709110030.29555.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <46E2085C.20002@stdin.me.uk> <200709102233.42475.lists@ptfd.org> <200709110030.29555.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46E6350A.7020407@stdin.me.uk> Chris Gow wrote: > I can say that I seem to be in a similar situation. I just upgraded to gutsy > and followed the instructions on kubuntu. When I log into the KDE 4 session, > I get: > > - runner > - plasma developer toolbox > - where kicker is/supposed to be I get two widgets that say: This object could > not be created > > I was under the impression that a number of additional plasma applets were > included/available with the beta (judging from articles from the dot and > such). As it is, there isn't a lot that I can do within a kde 4 session atm? > Even exiting the session I resorted to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE :O. > > Will the kubuntu kde4 packages get updated periodically or is this it till the > next kde beta? > > I'm not familiar with kdebase-workspace, what is it supposed to include that > isn't in any of the 'standard' kde packages (libs, pimlibs, base...)? I sort > of assumed that it would include goodies that haven't made it into the kde > trunk yet. > > thanks > > -- chris > > On Monday 10 September 2007 22:33:42 Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >> Thanks, Terence, works now. >> >> Now however the install is just plain. I setup according to the >> instructions on kubuntu.org. I can loginto a kde4 session, but there is no >> menu, kicker, etc... only a wallpaper saying a new desktop. And some >> toolbox that for the most part is non functional. >> now, I hope noone flames me, I am well aware this is BETA! I like using >> beta software and attempting to assist a developer in finding bugs... >> etc... but is this all kde4 is at this time? I did try and install some >> other kde4 stuff that comes up with the kubuntu installer by filtering on >> kde4. everything went ok.. >> >> Is this it, or is there anissue with my system. My 3.5.7 works great with a >> small hal problem that I need to repair. >> >> Mike >> This is what KDE4b2 is like right now, the reason that it's not very usable is that there are no packages for the replacement to kicker (and some other thing). They are all still in heavy development and just have not been releases with beta2. In all likelihood the Kubuntu packages will _not_ be updated, not unless the KDE project releases them as some sort of pre-beta3 (not likely). Chris: kdebase-workspace was split from kdebase, it has all the core workspace applications and the startkde script. It is a 'standard' KDE package, it's just been split off from the man kdebase package. Terence From ejviolet at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 07:14:27 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Run Comand Dialogue 'Freezes' In-Reply-To: <200709102031.30343.werepenguin@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <101405.41208.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Rod Joyce wrote: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "Generic Video Card" > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > depth 24 > virtual 1280 1024 > I did: DefaultDepth 16 That got my Debian Etch on a lcd to do higher resolution. Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From misc at daminator.com Tue Sep 11 08:11:01 2007 From: misc at daminator.com (damian) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:11:01 +0100 Subject: Contact management Message-ID: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> I have a small business and would like a contact management system which is easy to browse contacts and look at all previous correspondence. It would also be good to be able to 'tag' people into different categories (eg friend, supplier, customer). Ideally it would be good to be able to set up my own fields for input but I worry that the more I configure something the more chance there is that I'll break it and loose everything. The thought of loosing all the data, or the data becoming obsolete because I used the wrong program is enough to keep me just having individual txt files in a directory at the moment. Any thoughts? Cheers Damian From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 09:59:37 2007 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:59:37 +0400 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> Message-ID: <46E66709.2050506@gmail.com> damian wrote: > I have a small business and would like a contact management system which > is easy to browse contacts and look at all previous correspondence. It > would also be good to be able to 'tag' people into different categories > (eg friend, supplier, customer). Ideally it would be good to be able to > set up my own fields for input but I worry that the more I configure > something the more chance there is that I'll break it and loose > everything. The thought of loosing all the data, or the data becoming > obsolete because I used the wrong program is enough to keep me just > having individual txt files in a directory at the moment. > > Any thoughts? > > Cheers > Damian > > > Hmmm.. I doubt, but have a look at SugarCRM From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 10:33:04 2007 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:33:04 -0400 Subject: nspluginwrapper which viewer ? Message-ID: <46E66EE0.8070207@gmail.com> The last Gutsy upgrade, dist-upgrade resulted in the following message. What viewer is it looking for ? apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: gnome-app-install The following packages will be upgraded: bluez-cups bluez-utils cpp-4.2 devscripts espeak espeak-data g++-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base gcj-4.2 gcj-4.2-base gdb gfortran-4.2 gij-4.2 grub human-icon-theme imagemagick launchpad-integration lib32gcc1 lib32stdc++6 libecj-java libespeak1 libexiv2-0 libgcc1 libgcj-doc libgcj8-1 libgcj8-1-awt libgcj8-dev libgcj8-jar libgdome2-cpp-smart0c2a libgfortran2 libgomp1 libid3-3.8.3c2a libkpathsea4 liblaunchpad-integration0 liblpint-bonobo0 libmad0 libmagick9 libmms0 libmusicbrainz4c2a libnm-glib0 libnm-util0 libopenexr-dev libopenexr2c2a libstdc++6 libstdc++6-4.2-dev libtunepimp5 libuniconf4.3 libwpd-stream8c2a libwpd8c2a libwps-0.1-1 libwvstreams4.3-base libwvstreams4.3-extras lshw network-manager python-launchpad-bugs python-launchpad-integration rss-glx tomboy xfce4-session xvnc4viewer 61 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 104MB of archives. After unpacking 307kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y snip ... update went ok apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: sexy-python The following NEW packages will be installed: python-sexy The following packages will be upgraded: flashplugin-nonfree gnome-app-install 2 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 497kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.0ubuntu9) ... Installing from local file /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz Flash Plugin installed. /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libXcomposite.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so Phil From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 10:46:43 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:46:43 +0200 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> Message-ID: <46E67213.9040407@gmail.com> damian wrote: > I have a small business and would like a contact management system which > is easy to browse contacts and look at all previous correspondence. It > would also be good to be able to 'tag' people into different categories > (eg friend, supplier, customer). Ideally it would be good to be able to > set up my own fields for input but I worry that the more I configure > something the more chance there is that I'll break it and loose > everything. The thought of loosing all the data, or the data becoming > obsolete because I used the wrong program is enough to keep me just > having individual txt files in a directory at the moment. > Am not using myself but SugarCRM seems the thing, also found this; http://www.vtiger.com/index.php Facturalux is in the repositories for me at least but I find no online info regarding it. Sinclair From southern.tim at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:56:43 2007 From: southern.tim at gmail.com (Tim M) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:56:43 -0500 Subject: automatix2 In-Reply-To: References: <5e33e3860709090616q5a74c5efn52f94bed9fa33f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9fc2408f0709110556q3c39b41cm86fd43cb780c23d3@mail.gmail.com> > Doesn't automatix just add repositories for apt? In which case, all the > packages remain on the system, but can be removed by normal apt tools or > will be updated from the other repositories in your sources.list if newer > versions become available. > -- > derek Despite all the dire warnings I have used Automatix to install Nvidia drivers and a few other programs. When I have had a problem with the Automatix I got extremely quick answers to my questions from their forum. If a program is added with Automatix it can be removed using command lines or Synaptic. However if you still have Automatix on your machine it should be used to uninstall because (at least to my knowledge) Automatix will not know that the program has been removed. The programs gets a lot of bad press on this list and might indeed break things . . . but I am so good at breaking things that I seldom notice. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 11 13:58:12 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:58:12 +0100 Subject: VRML97 player? Message-ID: <46E69EF4.3000801@tiscali.co.uk> I'm trying to play the following file: . I've tried everything I can find in the repos and noting will play it. I even downloaded FreeWRL from sourceforge to see if that would play it. Are there any plug ins for Firefox? Or stand-alone players that work? Or is VRML a windows-only format despite being a standard?????? Kubuntu Feisty. Linux localhost 2.6.20-16-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 31 00:58:46 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:10:50 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:10:50 -0500 Subject: VRML97 player? In-Reply-To: <46E69EF4.3000801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <46E69EF4.3000801@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <720b310e0709110710g13988bd0x699970d72a1beda2@mail.gmail.com> On 9/11/07, Wulfy wrote: > I'm trying to play the following file: > . I've tried > everything I can find in the repos and noting will play it. I even > downloaded FreeWRL from sourceforge to see if that would play it. > > Are there any plug ins for Firefox? Or stand-alone players that work? > Or is VRML a windows-only format despite being a standard?????? > > Kubuntu Feisty. > > Linux localhost 2.6.20-16-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 31 00:58:46 > UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > Try: ttp://www.openvrml.org/ -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:16:10 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:16:10 -0500 Subject: VRML97 player? In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709110710g13988bd0x699970d72a1beda2@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E69EF4.3000801@tiscali.co.uk> <720b310e0709110710g13988bd0x699970d72a1beda2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709110716l2179227fyaad8c55af4e311dd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/11/07, Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/11/07, Wulfy wrote: > > I'm trying to play the following file: > > . I've tried > > everything I can find in the repos and noting will play it. I even > > downloaded FreeWRL from sourceforge to see if that would play it. > > > > Are there any plug ins for Firefox? Or stand-alone players that work? > > Or is VRML a windows-only format despite being a standard?????? > > > > Kubuntu Feisty. > > > > Linux localhost 2.6.20-16-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 31 00:58:46 > > UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux > > > > -- > > Blessings > > > > Wulfmann > > > > Wulf Credo: > > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > > > > Try: ttp://www.openvrml.org/ > or even sudo apt-get install Package: openvrml-lookat from the universe repositories. apt-cache search vrml shows a few things. > -- > The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 11 14:49:50 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:49:50 +0100 Subject: VRML97 player? In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709110716l2179227fyaad8c55af4e311dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E69EF4.3000801@tiscali.co.uk> <720b310e0709110710g13988bd0x699970d72a1beda2@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709110716l2179227fyaad8c55af4e311dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E6AB0E.6040600@tiscali.co.uk> Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/11/07, Greg Booth wrote: > >> Try: ttp://www.openvrml.org/ >> > > or even sudo apt-get install Package: openvrml-lookat from the > universe repositories. > > apt-cache search vrml shows a few things. > I tried that package... and gtklookat... and vrweb... they all just stay as black screen. FreeWRL crashes when I try to open the file... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 11 15:12:02 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:12:02 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709111112.02598.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 8:09:58 am David McGlone wrote: > I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it > sounds like a no brainer. > > My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on > again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so there > is no need to switch the fan on. > > I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this issue, > but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find a > solution. I downloaded the latest FC release and fan works properly with live CD. I just tried the beta 5 live CD release of Kubuntu. Sad to say the temp problem still hasn't been addressed. Before I lose valuable hardware, I'll switch to another distro. I believe Kubuntu is going to lose their users if this behavior continues. This is a *MAJOR* problem. Yet still ignored. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 11 15:35:41 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:35:41 -0400 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) In-Reply-To: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200709111135.41764.david.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 10 September 2007 10:39:32 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > I have a specific software need for my fire department. > I have preplans that are now organized into a mssql database and app made > for winblows. I curreently use vmplayer and xp to run it, but I think there > should be som linux native stuff that would do this. > > 1. mapping. I need to be able to enter an address into the toughbook in the > fire truck or ambulance and have the mapping app show me where it is. I > dont care so much about directions just a location. > > 2. Preplanning. Organizing all my preplanning documents for all my > occupancies (businesses, homes etc...) so a fire officer can graphically > pull the information up and display it. It needs to be easy to find and > quick no matter the type of info, ie .jpg's, .pdf's, cad drawings, msds, > etc.... > > > Any ideas appreciated. I am trying to get my Fire department away from the > vmplayer and xp sessions and totally native linux. I find this funny. Here I am running Kubuntu with overheating problems and yet there's a fireman wanting to use it. Don't know what you would call it but, it sounds like bad karma to me. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 11 16:25:28 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:25:28 -0400 Subject: Today's Gutsy updates broke my display In-Reply-To: <46E5C997.5010602@gmx.net> References: <200709101220.21309.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200709101547.14078.art.alexion@verizon.net> <46E5C997.5010602@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709111225.29220.art.alexion@verizon.net> Workaround found. Problem was with xserver-xorg-core. I downgraded to the previous package and am back in business. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/137604 Now I need help with the following resulting problem: With this temporary workaround, aptitude now wants to upgrade it. I am a bit confused as to how to run the daily updates while excluding this one. I know that there is a command (I don't remember it now) that tells apt to leave it alone, but that seems it would prevent upgrading to the eventual fix. Any suggestions other than saying no to aptitude upgrade and the doing individual installs of every other upgraded package? On Monday 10 September 2007 18:47:51 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 10 September 2007 14:39:28 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > >> 1.) Is the black band already present when you boot (grub-menu if any, > >> boot splash)? > > > > No. Nor is it visible on tty3 or tty1 (runlevel 3) Only with X at > > every resolution. > > > >> 2.) Change the refresh rate in xorg.conf and see what happens. > > > > Please be more specific. > > You could boot the system with knoppix or a working ubuntu flavor and > see how the automatic hardware detection configures the refresh rates > (xorg.conf). > Without knoppix/ubuntu, you can safely try a refresh rate of 70Hz. Are > you providng a single value (I assume that would be the 60Hz) or a range? > > Else, without changing refresh rates, you can try to switch to the X > frame buffer driver. This will reduce graphics performance, but since > the frame-buffer boot-splash is ok, chances are that X will be ok as well. > The driver is called "vesafb" or only "vesa". Can somebody please > confirm or correct on the driver name?! > If the frame-buffer works, that would show that you're ok with the > refresh rates. > > However, what is strange is, that you're saying the band does not appear > on screen-shots. It sounds like as there may be something wrong with the > graphics drivers. Have you gone through the gutsy changelogs to find > anything happened to the graphics-drivers? > > > The monitor likes 1280x1024 @ 60hz > > > > The following provides further details > > Display Mode Horizontal Vertical Pixel Clock Sync Polarity (hor./vert.) > > VESA, 1280 x 1024 64.0 60.0 108.0 +/+ > > VESA, 1280 x 1024 80.0 75.0 135.0 +/+ > > > > One last thing, version 2.11.92 of Evolution, which version is part of > > Gutsy, is needed for my work. The version in Feisty does not access > > certain necessary features on an Exchange server. So, with the monitor > > problem, I upgraded the xubuntu feisty box to gutsy, and now the same > > problem is there too. It was not present on feisty today, nor was the > > problem present with Gutsy last week. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From paulvarjak at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 17:07:04 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:07:04 +0200 Subject: curious mouse behavior Message-ID: <5e33e3860709111007i22988a33mb97dfe3bf956c60f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, In the right side of my task bar there's a small arrow to hide it. If I stay with the pointer over this arrow and then I arrive to the right border of the desktop moving it some pixels right, the pointer goes instantaneously around 300 o 400 pixels up. This means that when I go again left with my mouse instead of arriving again to the arrow I'm more or less 300 o 400 pixels vertically over it... I hope I'm explaining it more or less well. Too lazy to record a video. Does anyone have the same "problem"? Paul. From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 11 17:33:17 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:33:17 +0300 Subject: Color Profile ! In-Reply-To: <200709101717.28135.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709101717.28135.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E6D15D.9020303@rmk.co.il> Rick wrote: > is there a application or setting to set the lcd to a certain color profile ? > I want to use sRGB for all application, and inlcuding printing. > > TIA > Richard > Here are a few links to check: http://www.normankoren.com/color_management.html You probably know this stuff already http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/iccprofiles/iccprofiles_linux.html icc profile downloads from adobe http://www.littlecms.com/ A free color management engine in 100K. Doing an apt-cache search on color management brings up: liblcms1 - Color management library HTH Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From johndecarlo at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 19:24:31 2007 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:24:31 -0400 Subject: Problems with latest Gutsy kernel update Message-ID: <3dde113c0709111224o286caf3co3cae6c9bea522c6b@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I don't see anything about this in Google, so I may have something different about my setup. In fact, I suspect that it may be related to having encrypted my entire hard drive (except grub and /boot). Here are some symptoms when I ran aptitude dist-upgrade: First the error message, then I try to configure by hand until I find the root issue. ============ [snip] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-generic: linux-image-generic depends on linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic; however: Package linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic is not configured yet. linux-image-generic depends on linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic; however: Package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing linux-image-generic (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-restricted-modules-generic: linux-restricted-modules-generic depends on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-11-generic; however: Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-11-generic is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing linux-restricted-modules-generic (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-11-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic ============ # dpkg --configure linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic Setting up linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic (2.6.22-11.32) ... Running depmod. sh: /usr/bin/mkinitramfs: not found Failed to create initrd image. dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic ============ Now there was also an recent update to initramfs-tools, don't know if that is relevant. Note that /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs exists, but nothing in /usr/bin. I would be surprised if there were supposed to be something in /usr/bin, but what do I know? Thanks in advance -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjsvt at sover.net Tue Sep 11 19:53:19 2007 From: wjsvt at sover.net (WJ Seidl) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:53:19 -0400 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> Message-ID: <46E6F22F.6040206@sover.net> damian wrote: >
I have a > small business and would like a contact management system which is > easy to browse contacts and look at all previous correspondence. It > would also be good to be able to 'tag' people into different > categories (eg friend, supplier, customer). Ideally it would be good > to be able to set up my own fields for input but I worry that the more > I configure something the more chance there is that I'll break it and > loose everything. The thought of loosing all the data, or the data > becoming obsolete because I used the wrong program is enough to keep > me just having individual txt files in a directory at the moment. > > Any thoughts? > > Cheers > Damian > > > >
> Damian: Might I suggest a program for email, such as Thunderbird? I too run a small business, and archive email correspondence from clients, friends, suppliers, vendors, etc. I use Thunderbird. My contact list runs to about 2000 entries now, sorted into different "groups" such as the above. Worth looking into. Best, Wayne From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Tue Sep 11 19:59:48 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:59:48 +0100 Subject: iriver T60 track playing order In-Reply-To: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709091121.34122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200709112059.48234.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Thanks to everybody who's made suggestions, but what it actually does is read the tracks from the flash memory in the same order as they were written. It does no sorting of them at all. The shop I bought it from provided me with this link:- http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=55402&highlight=t60+playlist and sure enough if I manually create the folder then drag each file individually to the T60 in the order I want them to play, giving a few seconds for it to write, they then play in the correct order. So what I now need to look into is writing a little script to do that for me, or find out how to write a play list file. The latter would be the better solution in my opinion. Anybody know how to do that one? Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Tue Sep 11 19:55:53 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:55:53 -0700 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <87bqc9genq.fsf@fjellstad.org> Knapp writes: > Mysql is not totally open source as best I can tell but is still used > by a lot of people but owned by one company. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysql I liked to hear your definition of 'totally open source', considering MySQL is licensed under GPL (and used to be licensed under LGPL) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From manchicken at notsosoft.net Tue Sep 11 20:22:28 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:22:28 -0500 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> Message-ID: <200709111522.28573.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 03:11:01 damian wrote: > I have a small business and would like a contact management system which > is easy to browse contacts and look at all previous correspondence. It > would also be good to be able to 'tag' people into different categories > (eg friend, supplier, customer). Ideally it would be good to be able to > set up my own fields for input but I worry that the more I configure > something the more chance there is that I'll break it and loose > everything. The thought of loosing all the data, or the data becoming > obsolete because I used the wrong program is enough to keep me just > having individual txt files in a directory at the moment. > > Any thoughts? > > Cheers > Damian I'm not sure if you've looked at the contact manager in kontact and korganizer, but it's fantastic, and I do a lot of what you're talking about, too. The only thing I don't have directly there is tracking correspondence. For that I usually just use embedded Baskets in Kontact. From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 20:35:22 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:35:22 -0400 Subject: Problems with latest Gutsy kernel update In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0709111224o286caf3co3cae6c9bea522c6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0709111224o286caf3co3cae6c9bea522c6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E6FC0A.4090300@gmail.com> John DeCarlo said the following on 09/11/2007 03:24 PM: > Hello, > > I don't see anything about this in Google, so I may have something > different about my setup. In fact, I suspect that it may be related to > having encrypted my entire hard drive (except grub and /boot). > > Here are some symptoms when I ran aptitude dist-upgrade: > > First the error message, then I try to configure by hand until I find > the root issue. > ============ > [snip] > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-generic: > linux-image-generic depends on linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic; however: > Package linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic is not configured yet. > linux-image-generic depends on linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic; > however: > Package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic is not configured yet. > dpkg: error processing linux-image-generic (--configure): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of > linux-restricted-modules-generic: > linux-restricted-modules-generic depends on > linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-11-generic; however: > Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-11-generic is not configured yet. > dpkg: error processing linux-restricted-modules-generic (--configure): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Errors were encountered while processing: > linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic > linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-11-generic > linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic > linux-image-generic > linux-restricted-modules-generic > > ============ > # dpkg --configure linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic > Setting up linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic (2.6.22-11.32) ... > Running depmod. > sh: /usr/bin/mkinitramfs: not found > Failed to create initrd image. > dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 > Errors were encountered while processing: > linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic > ============ > > Now there was also an recent update to initramfs-tools, don't know if > that is relevant. > > Note that /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs exists, but nothing in /usr/bin. I > would be surprised if there were supposed to be something in /usr/bin, > but what do I know? Most likely you got stuck between partial upload of updates. For gutsy, you should be using "aptitude safe-upgrade" to avoid removing needed packages before the newer update appears in the repository. FWIW, on my box with encrypted root, the kernel updated ok, but the nvidia (restricted-modules) package is still missing. So, I don't think encryption is your problem. Go back to your feisty partition and wait a day for more gutsy updates to reach the repos before using gutsy again. HTH From labradley at mindspring.com Tue Sep 11 21:10:53 2007 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:10:53 -0500 Subject: How to install vga fonts for doseum in Kubuntu? Message-ID: <46E7045D.80405@mindspring.com> Running Feisty Fawn Kubuntu. Prior to Feisty, I had dosemu working with my favorite font vga12x30.pcf.gz in /usr/local/share/dosemu/Xfonts. My fonts line in ~.dosemurc is: $_X_font = "vga12x30" # The biggest 11" wide x 8.5"high Now it doesn't seem to work. I have tried: sudo mkfontdir /usr/local/share/dosemu/Xfonts sudo fc-cache -f -v sudo xset fp rehash xlsfonts |grep 10x30 with no result. I also tried making a soft link with: sudo ln -s /usr/share/fonts/Xfonts /usr/local/share/dosemu/Xfonts and repeating the commands. What do I need to do for xdosemu to recognize my fonts? Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Kubuntu From misc at daminator.com Tue Sep 11 21:49:31 2007 From: misc at daminator.com (damian) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:49:31 +0100 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E6F22F.6040206@sover.net> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> <46E6F22F.6040206@sover.net> Message-ID: <46E70D6B.3010208@daminator.com> >> Damian: >> > Might I suggest a program for email, such as Thunderbird? > I too run a small business, and archive email correspondence from > clients, friends, suppliers, vendors, etc. > I use Thunderbird. > My contact list runs to about 2000 entries now, sorted into different > "groups" such as the above. > Worth looking into. > Best, > Wayne > Thunderbird was my first choice, but the contact stuff seems a bit lacking. I'd like to be able to 'tag' a contact into different categories, but I don't think that's possible. Also, if I use the notes section to add lots of notes into the contacts, there's no way to search those notes is there? I'll be glad to hear that I'm wrong. Damian From misc at daminator.com Tue Sep 11 21:51:40 2007 From: misc at daminator.com (damian) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:51:40 +0100 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <200709111522.28573.manchicken@notsosoft.net> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> <200709111522.28573.manchicken@notsosoft.net> Message-ID: <46E70DEC.60003@daminator.com> > > I'm not sure if you've looked at the contact manager in kontact and > korganizer, but it's fantastic, and I do a lot of what you're talking about, > too. The only thing I don't have directly there is tracking correspondence. > For that I usually just use embedded Baskets in Kontact. > > Is it significantly better than Thunderbird ? Thunderbird is my email app of choice. I don't really want to move everything over to something that's not cross platform without a really good reason. I'd like to hear (or see if there are any online demos) why it's so good though. Damian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From misc at daminator.com Tue Sep 11 21:55:37 2007 From: misc at daminator.com (damian) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:55:37 +0100 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E67213.9040407@gmail.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> <46E67213.9040407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E70ED9.6030100@daminator.com> > Hmmm.. I doubt, but have a look at SugarCRM > Am not using myself but SugarCRM seems the thing, also found this; > http://www.vtiger.com/index.php > > Facturalux is in the repositories for me at least but I find no online > info regarding it. > > Sinclair > > Thanks you two for the CRM pointers. I'd never even heard of CRM and then lost an hour or so looking at different ones. They seem very impressive, but maybe a bit too overkill for our small business. Only 2 employees and 30 or 40 new contacts per year. They also felt a bit sluggish due to their depth and looked like they would take quite a while to set up. I'd love to hear anyones experience of them though. Damian From misc at daminator.com Tue Sep 11 21:57:49 2007 From: misc at daminator.com (damian) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:57:49 +0100 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> Message-ID: <46E70F5D.2010202@daminator.com> damian wrote: > I have a small business and would like a contact management system which > is easy to browse contacts and look at all previous correspondence. It > would also be good to be able to 'tag' people into different categories > (eg friend, supplier, customer). Ideally it would be good to be able to > set up my own fields for input but I worry that the more I configure > something the more chance there is that I'll break it and loose > everything. The thought of loosing all the data, or the data becoming > obsolete because I used the wrong program is enough to keep me just > having individual txt files in a directory at the moment. > > Any thoughts? > > Cheers > Damian > > > Having considered this more today, I'm thinking of setting up a TiddlyWiki for my contacts. It would be easily accessible and searchable, easy to teach how to use and quick to navigate. I use the D3 Tiddlywiki extensively for 'Get Things Done' already, so although I wouldn't have anything like mail merge etc I think it could be a good option. Any thoughts? Damian From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 11 23:44:45 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:44:45 -0400 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) In-Reply-To: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200709111944.45572.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 10 September 2007, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > 1. mapping. I need to be able to enter an address into the toughbook in the > fire truck or ambulance and have the mapping app show me where it is. I > dont care so much about directions just a location. I'm a truck driver, and mapping/routing is a subject close to my heart. I've never found a Linux native solution, though I have had success making do with Google Maps. Google Earth seems to be Google Maps rolled up into a cute 3D globe thingie, and there is a native Linux version available. You might play with that. I'm not sure how useful it could be, as I haven't tried to use it for this purpose. Otherwise, I think you're probably stuck with the need to have a useably fast internet connection to get your maps, which is probably a bad thing in a fire department. How do you get your maps when everything is all to hell, and the internet is busted? Not cool! Beyond that, Windows, I fear. > 2. Preplanning. Organizing all my preplanning documents for all my > occupancies (businesses, homes etc...) No real insight about any of this. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 11 23:48:06 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:48:06 -0400 Subject: apt-get error -> resizing partitions. In-Reply-To: <2gvfr4-u24.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709080932.49185.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <2gvfr4-u24.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200709111948.06885.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 10 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > I would suggest that, unless it is necessary to have a /boot because you're > sharing it with multiple other OSes (unlikely with a mere 37M partition), > you'd be better off to just move all of /boot back under /, completely > remove the /boot partition, and reinstall grub (so that it points to the > right partition). The major problem with having a /boot partition is that > it's a complete waste of space to give it more room than you need for at > most two images, but occasionally you want a third, or fourth... I second all of this wholeheartedly. I shied away from proposing this solution because I'm not sure what happens with GRUB, and especially not with this weird new partition naming scheme. Color me too lazy to go look up the answer. But yes, a separate /boot hasn't actually been necessary for years, and it's so hard to pick a good size. -- D. Michael McIntyre From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Tue Sep 11 23:55:10 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott (angrykeyboarder)) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:55:10 -0700 Subject: The compiz-kde package. How do you get it working? In-Reply-To: <3b27fa9d0709052308g2297210bn42e7fe0e57a97668@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b27fa9d0709052308g2297210bn42e7fe0e57a97668@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Phil Bieber spake thusly : > On 8/29/07, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: >> I installed it. But now what do I do? >> >> This seems to be a much smoother process on the GNOME (i.e. Ubuntu) side. >> >> All I can find on this subject relates to installing Beryl. >> >> I don't need Beryl. I don't want exploding or burning windows. The >> shadowing (and to a lesser degree, the wobbly stuff) is all that I'm >> interested in. I've got it working fine in GNOME (thanks to the >> handy-dandy "desktop-effects" program). >> >> The compiz-kde package is in the Ubuntu feisty repo, so there must be a >> reason for that. :) > I'm not using Feisty right now, so I can't check if it works. > Looking for the same thing. just for Gutsy, I stumbled upon this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=508769 > > It's a script that compiles and installs Compiz Fusion with a > launscher and everything and the people in the Forum seem to be quite > content when I read it. > > Maybe it works for you. > > Cheers > Philipp Bieber There are all kinds of "outside" ways of getting fancy desktop stuff. I'm trying to make it work with what Ubuntu provides. -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com ©2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wites Wesewved From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:43:57 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:43:57 +0200 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) In-Reply-To: <87bqc9genq.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> <87bqc9genq.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: "The company develops and maintains the system, selling support and service contracts, as well as proprietary-licensed copies of MySQL", wikipedea. That is why I said that. Douglas > I liked to hear your definition of 'totally open source', considering > MySQL is licensed under GPL (and used to be licensed under LGPL) From lists at ptfd.org Wed Sep 12 01:39:15 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:39:15 -0400 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) In-Reply-To: <200709111944.45572.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> <200709111944.45572.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709112139.15427.lists@ptfd.org> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 07:44:45 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 10 September 2007, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > 1. mapping. I need to be able to enter an address into the toughbook in > > the fire truck or ambulance and have the mapping app show me where it is. > > I dont care so much about directions just a location. > > I'm a truck driver, and mapping/routing is a subject close to my heart. > I've never found a Linux native solution, though I have had success making > do with Google Maps. > > Google Earth seems to be Google Maps rolled up into a cute 3D globe > thingie, and there is a native Linux version available. You might play > with that. I'm not sure how useful it could be, as I haven't tried to use > it for this purpose. > > Otherwise, I think you're probably stuck with the need to have a useably > fast internet connection to get your maps, which is probably a bad thing in > a fire department. How do you get your maps when everything is all to > hell, and the internet is busted? Not cool! What about this? it might be a little old, but the tiger maps are as current as the latest census.. I havent built it yet but may give it a whirl. Mike http://roadmap.digitalomaha.net/ > Beyond that, Windows, I fear. > > > 2. Preplanning. Organizing all my preplanning documents for all my > > occupancies (businesses, homes etc...) > > No real insight about any of this. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre From amachu at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 12 05:03:34 2007 From: amachu at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?b?4K6G4K6u4K6+4K6a4K+N4K6a4K+B?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:33:34 +0530 Subject: how to install non-free softwares.. In-Reply-To: <200709111948.06885.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <2gvfr4-u24.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200709111948.06885.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709121033.34247.amachu@ubuntu.com> Hi, I am running Kubuntu Feisty, that was upgraded from Edgy. I wish to un-install all non-free softwares which might have got installed, when I installed Kubuntu. How to do it? Regards, Sri Ramadoss M From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Sep 12 04:52:28 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:52:28 -0700 Subject: software suggestions (fire department) References: <200709102239.32455.lists@ptfd.org> <87bqc9genq.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <87wsuwtrhv.fsf@fjellstad.org> Knapp writes: > "The company develops and maintains the system, selling support and > service contracts, as well as proprietary-licensed copies of MySQL", > wikipedea. > > That is why I said that. This means it is dual-licensed. For instance, QT is also dual-licensed. Do you consider that not 'totally open source', whatever that means. Firefox is dual-licensed. How about OpenOffice.org? Do you consider that not 'totally open source'? -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 07:34:23 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:34:23 +0200 Subject: software suggestions; open source Message-ID: >This means it is dual-licensed. For instance, QT is also >dual-licensed. Do you consider that not 'totally open source', whatever >that means. Firefox is dual-licensed. How about OpenOffice.org? Do >you consider that not 'totally open source'? Edges are always blurry in the real world. I guess the answer to your question would have to do with what you get under each license. For example with Firefox what would you get if you payed for it? If without paying you get something that is incomplete, is full of ads, or has limits, like you can not use it for profit or whatever, then I would call it cripple ware, ad ware or perhaps to be nice sample software. If you get everything and the software is totally free (as in speech, not beer) then I would think of it as open source. I don't think Linux would be were it is at today if there had been two versions of it. "Although the OSI definition of "open-source software" is widely accepted, a small number of people and organizations use the term to refer to software where the source is available for viewing, but which may not legally be modified or redistributed. Such software is more often referred to as source-available, or as shared source, a term coined by Microsoft in opposition to open source." Wikipedia I think it is important that we all have some idea of what open source is all about as MS seems to be trying to blur the definition in an attempt to kill it, take it over or control it. Why have proprietary-licenses if the software is really open source? On the other hand it if does have a GNU license than why do they also have the Proprietary license? If they are truly into the OSI thing that why not give it all away for free? Yes, because they want to control it and make a profit. They want to force people to have to pay for the good stuff in most cases. As a medical person, I have watched what this for profit thing has done. It has made the whole USA health system only good for the rich and even then it is not in the best interests of the drug companies to cure you. It is better if they can treat you forever, same for us doctors. So how do you make a medical system that makes doctors excel? It is called subscription medicine. You pay the doctor (NOT the insurance companies) a set yearly fee. Then you can go to him as much as you like. It is in his best interests to keep you healthy because then he can have more patients per year. And if you get sick it is in his best interests to make you healthy as fast as possible. If our whole economic system was set up this way you would see a lot of changes in how the world was run. Yes, there are holes in this system too. As users and supporters of open source, I think that we should all know what is happening and make a choice of what we feel needs to be supported. There are profit companies that I really like, like Google, Canonical and ones that I am not so happy with like MS. Then there are the people that make things like Linux. Pick who you like and support them. I really don't want to spend my time paying 50 companies 5$ each to make their software save what I have written or work in some needed special way. LOL. For me the more whole, complete and open the better. I have chosen to support PostgreSQL. Maybe I am wrong in not being into MySQL more. Have you read the wiki entry where it gets into the licensing Issues of MySQL? Did you see where they say that they could change the license but promise not to? What if I invest in their software and they drop the GPL license? Will the community pick it up? PostgreSQL works for me. It is totally free, well supported for free by the community and unowned. I am very open to you showing me where I am wrong. I am here to learn and to help others when I can. Douglas From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 08:28:30 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:28:30 +0200 Subject: Contact management In-Reply-To: <46E70ED9.6030100@daminator.com> References: <46E64D95.5060609@daminator.com> <46E67213.9040407@gmail.com> <46E70ED9.6030100@daminator.com> Message-ID: <46E7A32E.2090402@gmail.com> damian wrote: > > >> Hmmm.. I doubt, but have a look at SugarCRM > > >> Am not using myself but SugarCRM seems the thing, also found this; >> http://www.vtiger.com/index.php >> >> Facturalux is in the repositories for me at least but I find no online >> info regarding it. >> >> Sinclair >> >> > Thanks you two for the CRM pointers. I'd never even heard of CRM and > then lost an hour or so looking at different ones. > They seem very impressive, but maybe a bit too overkill for our small > business. Only 2 employees and 30 or 40 new contacts per year. They also > felt a bit sluggish due to their depth and looked like they would take > quite a while to set up. > > I'd love to hear anyones experience of them though. > No such experience myself but given the size of business and your mailer of choice I would scout/google/search for Thunderbird extensions/add-ons that could help. You might not find something "perfect" but possibly good enough. Some links (with more links) that I found: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-must-have-thunderbird-addons-25-more/ http://www.ghacks.net/2006/10/06/the-ten-most-useful-thunderbird-add-ons/ http://entropicprincipal.blogspot.com/2005/09/using-thunderbird-to-get-things-done.html https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/browse/type:1 Good luck Sinclair From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 12:12:39 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:12:39 +0300 Subject: Cannot open KDE Component Chooser Message-ID: <880dece00709120512w20648cfdhe99d107858c2cd55@mail.gmail.com> In Kcontrol the KDE Component Chooser is missing. This was also the case in a previous Ubuntu install, however in that one I could simply open /usr/share/applications/kde/componentchooser.desktop in Konqueror and use it. In this install, I cannot. What can I do? Is there a file that I can manually edit? I need to set Thunderbird as the default email client. Thanks in advance Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת From bootgr at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 12:40:36 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:40:36 -0500 Subject: Cannot open KDE Component Chooser In-Reply-To: <880dece00709120512w20648cfdhe99d107858c2cd55@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709120512w20648cfdhe99d107858c2cd55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709120540qada9cao415b2ea02c5e52f0@mail.gmail.com> > In Kcontrol the KDE Component Chooser is missing. This was also the > case in a previous Ubuntu install, however in that one I could simply > open /usr/share/applications/kde/componentchooser.desktop in Konqueror > and use it. In this install, I cannot. What can I do? Is there a file > that I can manually edit? I need to set Thunderbird as the default > email client. > > Thanks in advance > > Dotan Cohen > update-alternatives --config ????? should do it but I'm not sure what the option is. -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From almilis at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 12:40:38 2007 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:40:38 +0700 Subject: How to set a permanent process priority? Message-ID: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have just changed my PC from a Pentium 4/HT (3 GHz) to Intel Core 2 (2.13 GHz). The Disk is SATA (was PATA) and the memory is more and faster! However, my ''audacity'' does not sound smooth!? Therefore, I have to re-nice it with ''-5'' permanently. I know how to re-nice a process by using top; and I have been told on how to use KDE System Guard. But is there a way to set a permanent priority? regards, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 12 12:35:20 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:35:20 -0300 Subject: apt-get error -> resizing partitions. References: <200709080932.49185.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <2gvfr4-u24.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200709111948.06885.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <813lr4-ita.ln1@pointerstop.ca> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 10 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: >> I would suggest that, unless it is necessary to have a /boot because >> you're sharing it with multiple other OSes (unlikely with a mere 37M >> partition), you'd be better off to just move all of /boot back under /, >> completely remove the /boot partition, and reinstall grub (so that it >> points to the >> right partition). The major problem with having a /boot partition is >> that it's a complete waste of space to give it more room than you need >> for at most two images, but occasionally you want a third, or fourth... > > I second all of this wholeheartedly. I shied away from proposing this > solution because I'm not sure what happens with GRUB, and especially not > with this weird new partition naming scheme. Yeah, it's going to cause a headache. I should have suggested that it be done slightly differently. 1) _copy_ (not move) all of the /boot files under the / partition 2) _add_ (not change) a boot stanza to grub, renaming the boot partition appropriately. 3) boot into the new settings - if you got it wrong, boot to the old settings :-) 4) if it booted to the new settings, you can drop the /boot partition and the boot stanzas for it in grub. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 12 13:28:44 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:28:44 -0300 Subject: how to install non-free softwares.. References: <2gvfr4-u24.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200709111948.06885.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709121033.34247.amachu@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: ??????? wrote: > Hi, > > I am running Kubuntu Feisty, that was upgraded from Edgy. I wish to > un-install all non-free softwares which might have got installed, when I > installed Kubuntu. Install the package "vrms" (the Virtual Richard M. Stallman). Run it, and "aptitude purge" any packages it lists. Personally, I don't agree with it - it's just as aggravating as the real Richard M. Stallman, but it's worth running occasionally just to see what it lists. I would suggest that _no_ non-free software got installed when you installed Kubuntu, except possibly drivers from the "restricted" repository - and if they were installed you probably needed them. -- derek From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Sep 12 15:06:39 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:06:39 -0700 Subject: Cannot open KDE Component Chooser References: <880dece00709120512w20648cfdhe99d107858c2cd55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871wd3kjnk.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Dotan Cohen" writes: > In Kcontrol the KDE Component Chooser is missing. This was also the > case in a previous Ubuntu install, however in that one I could simply > open /usr/share/applications/kde/componentchooser.desktop in Konqueror > and use it. In this install, I cannot. What can I do? Is there a file > that I can manually edit? I need to set Thunderbird as the default > email client. System Settings->Default Applications -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From manchicken at notsosoft.net Wed Sep 12 16:06:29 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:06:29 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) In-Reply-To: <200709111112.02598.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709111112.02598.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709121106.29264.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 10:12:02 David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2007 8:09:58 am David McGlone wrote: > > > > I don't know if it's a hardware or software problem. But at -270 C it > > sounds like a no brainer. > > > > My fan comes on shortly while booting but after boot it never comes on > > again. I suspect this is because it thinks it's frozen to oblivion so > > there is no need to switch the fan on. > > > > I have checked the kubuntu forums, found some bugs relating to this > > issue, but none that came close to my problem. I just can't seem to find > > a solution. > > > > I downloaded the latest FC release and fan works properly with live CD. > > I just tried the beta 5 live CD release of Kubuntu. Sad to say the temp > problem still hasn't been addressed. > > Before I lose valuable hardware, I'll switch to another distro. I believe > Kubuntu is going to lose their users if this behavior continues. > > This is a *MAJOR* problem. Yet still ignored. > > -- > David M. > > If I received .01 cent for every person > that has to put in their .02 cents > I'd be rich! Have you followed up with the Ubuntu-Kernel team? This sounds like it would be a kernel issue. From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Sep 12 17:06:41 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:06:41 -0400 Subject: OT: Evolution list Message-ID: <200709121306.41646.art.alexion@verizon.net> I can't seem to find an active list or forum for Evolution. Nothing on ximian and the Novell forum link is broken. My friend, Google, thinks I want to discuss biological phenomena. Does anyone know of community support via list or forum? (or, I guess, are there members of this list with knowledge of evolution-exchange esoterica?) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From bootgr at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 17:33:10 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:33:10 -0500 Subject: OT: Evolution list In-Reply-To: <200709121306.41646.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200709121306.41646.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709121033w23d2a06u8bf76fc70fe3207a@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, Art Alexion wrote: > I can't seem to find an active list or forum for Evolution. Nothing on ximian > and the Novell forum link is broken. > > My friend, Google, thinks I want to discuss biological phenomena. > > Does anyone know of community support via list or forum? > > (or, I guess, are there members of this list with knowledge of > evolution-exchange esoterica?) We assume you tried: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 12 18:20:46 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:20:46 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu causing computer to overheat. (I think) References: <200709040809.58313.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709111112.02598.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: David McGlone wrote: > This is a MAJOR problem. Yet still ignored. Every few weeks I see something like this. I'm sure that, for you, it's a major problem, but really Ubuntu has no _major_ problems. Generally, it runs well for most of us. If you've encountered a bug - or even just a poorly written BIOS/DSDT - that few other people have encountered, you get four choices. Document it and file a bug (in this case, it would involve acpi); give up on Linux altogether; find a distro that works; or just wait until (if) it gets fixed. It would be best all around if you could do the first, but we know that that isn't an option for everybody, but please don't gripe about the fact that bugs that affect you aren't given priority by unpaid developers. I guarantee that my laptop does, in fact, run hotter under Linux (only really tested with Ubuntu) than under Windows, but it runs within spec (which makes me wonder if Windows completely ignores the temperature and uses something silly like CPU load). Unlike yours, though, the fan _does_ come on occasionally. -- derek From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Wed Sep 12 19:45:21 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:45:21 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709042005.11216.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709042005.11216.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Wednesday 05 September 2007 02:05:11 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the second > > HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed Kubuntu). > > Incidentally... Since this is the Kubuntu list, I assume you'd rather not > have to use GNOME for anything. If you install "kubuntu-desktop" on top of > Ubuntu Studio, you miss out on all the look and feel stuff they intend, but > you get to run a normal, sensible desktop environment without all that > ghastly gnomish crap everywhere. > > That's what I'm running myself. It started life as the Ubuntu Studio DVD, > and kubuntu-desktop on top of it made it downright usable. > > > Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it won't > > make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. > > Now you get to explore the complicated stuff. Run QJackCtl, get JACK > working, then run QSynth, and configure it to play via JACK. > > My book is old, but that part should still be enough to give you a more > detailed explanation of what I just said: > > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2 > > (If it still seems complicated, that's because it is. "How do I get sound > working" is my albatross.) Thanks for all that, but it still won't do any sound... lsmod | grep snd showed me: # lsmod | grep snd snd_rtctimer 4384 0 snd_emu10k1_synth 8192 4 snd_emux_synth 35968 10 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_virmidi 8576 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth snd_emu10k1 121248 12 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_emu10k1 ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss 45056 0 snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 10888 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd_util_mem 5760 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_hwdep 10500 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 snd_seq_oss 33408 0 snd_seq_midi 9600 2 snd_rawmidi 25856 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 8448 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 53232 29 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 24196 4 snd_rtctimer,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 9100 8 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 54788 26 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore 9440 1 snd # THis picture shows the sound card I have installed. perhaps you could find something in there which could be of importance. I looked at your tutorial and found that e.g. the audio device is different. Could that be the source of the problem, because my audio device is no EMU10k1 ? Laurent Asorne -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From bootgr at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 19:55:14 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:55:14 -0500 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709042230.59238.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709042005.11216.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <720b310e0709121255h16a0e39dne86b6bf1a672f108@mail.gmail.com> > On Wednesday 05 September 2007 02:05:11 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the second > > > HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed Kubuntu). > > > > Incidentally... Since this is the Kubuntu list, I assume you'd rather not > > have to use GNOME for anything. If you install "kubuntu-desktop" on top of > > Ubuntu Studio, you miss out on all the look and feel stuff they intend, but > > you get to run a normal, sensible desktop environment without all that > > ghastly gnomish crap everywhere. > > > > That's what I'm running myself. It started life as the Ubuntu Studio DVD, > > and kubuntu-desktop on top of it made it downright usable. > > > > > Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it won't > > > make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. > > > > Now you get to explore the complicated stuff. Run QJackCtl, get JACK > > working, then run QSynth, and configure it to play via JACK. > > > > My book is old, but that part should still be enough to give you a more > > detailed explanation of what I just said: > > > > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2 > > > > (If it still seems complicated, that's because it is. "How do I get sound > > working" is my albatross.) > > Thanks for all that, but it still won't do any sound... > > lsmod | grep snd showed me: > # lsmod | grep snd > snd_rtctimer 4384 0 > snd_emu10k1_synth 8192 4 > snd_emux_synth 35968 10 snd_emu10k1_synth > snd_seq_virmidi 8576 1 snd_emux_synth > snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth > snd_emu10k1 121248 12 snd_emu10k1_synth > snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_emu10k1 > ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec > snd_pcm_oss 45056 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > snd_page_alloc 10888 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm > snd_util_mem 5760 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > snd_hwdep 10500 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 > snd_seq_oss 33408 0 > snd_seq_midi 9600 2 > snd_rawmidi 25856 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq_midi_event 8448 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq 53232 29 > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event > snd_timer 24196 4 snd_rtctimer,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq > snd_seq_device 9100 8 > snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq > snd 54788 26 > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device > soundcore 9440 1 snd > # > > THis picture shows the sound card I have installed. perhaps you could find > something in there which could be of importance. I looked at your tutorial > and found that e.g. the audio device is different. Could that be the source > of the problem, because my audio device is no EMU10k1 ? > > Laurent Asorne > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss Do you have your on board sound system enabled on top of a 3rd party sound card ? That'll drive Kubuntu NUTS, I had it happen to me. Greg From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Wed Sep 12 20:03:17 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:03:17 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709121255h16a0e39dne86b6bf1a672f108@mail.gmail.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121255h16a0e39dne86b6bf1a672f108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709122203.18480.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Wednesday 12 September 2007 21:55:14 Greg Booth wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 September 2007 02:05:11 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the > > > > second HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed > > > > Kubuntu). > > > > > > Incidentally... Since this is the Kubuntu list, I assume you'd rather > > > not have to use GNOME for anything. If you install "kubuntu-desktop" > > > on top of Ubuntu Studio, you miss out on all the look and feel stuff > > > they intend, but you get to run a normal, sensible desktop environment > > > without all that ghastly gnomish crap everywhere. > > > > > > That's what I'm running myself. It started life as the Ubuntu Studio > > > DVD, and kubuntu-desktop on top of it made it downright usable. > > > > > > > Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it > > > > won't make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. > > > > > > Now you get to explore the complicated stuff. Run QJackCtl, get JACK > > > working, then run QSynth, and configure it to play via JACK. > > > > > > My book is old, but that part should still be enough to give you a more > > > detailed explanation of what I just said: > > > > > > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2 > > > > > > (If it still seems complicated, that's because it is. "How do I get > > > sound working" is my albatross.) > > > > Thanks for all that, but it still won't do any sound... > > > > lsmod | grep snd showed me: > > # lsmod | grep snd > > snd_rtctimer 4384 0 > > snd_emu10k1_synth 8192 4 > > snd_emux_synth 35968 10 snd_emu10k1_synth > > snd_seq_virmidi 8576 1 snd_emux_synth > > snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth > > snd_emu10k1 121248 12 snd_emu10k1_synth > > snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_emu10k1 > > ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec > > snd_pcm_oss 45056 0 > > snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss > > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > > snd_page_alloc 10888 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm > > snd_util_mem 5760 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > > snd_hwdep 10500 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > > snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 > > snd_seq_oss 33408 0 > > snd_seq_midi 9600 2 > > snd_rawmidi 25856 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi > > snd_seq_midi_event 8448 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > > snd_seq 53232 29 > > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_os > >s,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 24196 4 > > snd_rtctimer,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 9100 8 > > snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,sn > >d_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 54788 26 > > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd > >_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd > >_seq_device soundcore 9440 1 snd > > # > > > > THis picture shows the sound card I have installed. perhaps you could > > find something in there which could be of importance. I looked at your > > tutorial and found that e.g. the audio device is different. Could that be > > the source of the problem, because my audio device is no EMU10k1 ? > > > > Laurent Asorne > > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > > Do you have your on board sound system enabled on top of a 3rd party > sound card ? > > That'll drive Kubuntu NUTS, I had it happen to me. > > Greg I don't have any onboard sound system... Laurent Asorne -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From bootgr at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 20:14:13 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:14:13 -0500 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709122203.18480.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121255h16a0e39dne86b6bf1a672f108@mail.gmail.com> <200709122203.18480.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, Laurent Asorne wrote: > On Wednesday 12 September 2007 21:55:14 Greg Booth wrote: > > > On Wednesday 05 September 2007 02:05:11 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > > > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the > > > > > second HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed > > > > > Kubuntu). > > > > > > > > Incidentally... Since this is the Kubuntu list, I assume you'd rather > > > > not have to use GNOME for anything. If you install "kubuntu-desktop" > > > > on top of Ubuntu Studio, you miss out on all the look and feel stuff > > > > they intend, but you get to run a normal, sensible desktop environment > > > > without all that ghastly gnomish crap everywhere. > > > > > > > > That's what I'm running myself. It started life as the Ubuntu Studio > > > > DVD, and kubuntu-desktop on top of it made it downright usable. > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but it > > > > > won't make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound card. > > > > > > > > Now you get to explore the complicated stuff. Run QJackCtl, get JACK > > > > working, then run QSynth, and configure it to play via JACK. > > > > > > > > My book is old, but that part should still be enough to give you a more > > > > detailed explanation of what I just said: > > > > > > > > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2 > > > > > > > > (If it still seems complicated, that's because it is. "How do I get > > > > sound working" is my albatross.) > > > > > > Thanks for all that, but it still won't do any sound... > > > > > > lsmod | grep snd showed me: > > > # lsmod | grep snd > > > snd_rtctimer 4384 0 > > > snd_emu10k1_synth 8192 4 > > > snd_emux_synth 35968 10 snd_emu10k1_synth > > > snd_seq_virmidi 8576 1 snd_emux_synth > > > snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth > > > snd_emu10k1 121248 12 snd_emu10k1_synth > > > snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_emu10k1 > > > ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec > > > snd_pcm_oss 45056 0 > > > snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss > > > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > > > snd_page_alloc 10888 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm > > > snd_util_mem 5760 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > > > snd_hwdep 10500 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > > > snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 > > > snd_seq_oss 33408 0 > > > snd_seq_midi 9600 2 > > > snd_rawmidi 25856 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi > > > snd_seq_midi_event 8448 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > > > snd_seq 53232 29 > > > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_os > > >s,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 24196 4 > > > snd_rtctimer,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 9100 8 > > > snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,sn > > >d_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 54788 26 > > > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd > > >_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd > > >_seq_device soundcore 9440 1 snd > > > # > > > > > > THis picture shows the sound card I have installed. perhaps you could > > > find something in there which could be of importance. I looked at your > > > tutorial and found that e.g. the audio device is different. Could that be > > > the source of the problem, because my audio device is no EMU10k1 ? > > > > > > Laurent Asorne > > > > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > > > > Do you have your on board sound system enabled on top of a 3rd party > > sound card ? > > > > That'll drive Kubuntu NUTS, I had it happen to me. > > > > Greg > > I don't have any onboard sound system... > > Laurent Asorne > Then I may have a misconception. I thought ac97 codec was normally used by the generic onboard sound systems. Anyone know if that's correct or not ? Have you checked the bios for any configuration options of an onboard audio device ? Greg From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Wed Sep 12 20:18:01 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:18:01 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709122203.18480.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709122218.01685.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Wednesday 12 September 2007 22:14:13 Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/12/07, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 September 2007 21:55:14 Greg Booth wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 05 September 2007 02:05:11 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > > > > > I dowloaded the ubuntu studio DVD-image and installed it onto the > > > > > > second HDD (sata, the first HDD is an IDE, where i have installed > > > > > > Kubuntu). > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally... Since this is the Kubuntu list, I assume you'd > > > > > rather not have to use GNOME for anything. If you install > > > > > "kubuntu-desktop" on top of Ubuntu Studio, you miss out on all the > > > > > look and feel stuff they intend, but you get to run a normal, > > > > > sensible desktop environment without all that ghastly gnomish crap > > > > > everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > That's what I'm running myself. It started life as the Ubuntu > > > > > Studio DVD, and kubuntu-desktop on top of it made it downright > > > > > usable. > > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu Studio, I get Rosegarden started without any problem, but > > > > > > it won't make a sound.... XMMS works okay, so it's not the sound > > > > > > card. > > > > > > > > > > Now you get to explore the complicated stuff. Run QJackCtl, get > > > > > JACK working, then run QSynth, and configure it to play via JACK. > > > > > > > > > > My book is old, but that part should still be enough to give you a > > > > > more detailed explanation of what I just said: > > > > > > > > > > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2 > > > > > > > > > > (If it still seems complicated, that's because it is. "How do I > > > > > get sound working" is my albatross.) > > > > > > > > Thanks for all that, but it still won't do any sound... > > > > > > > > lsmod | grep snd showed me: > > > > # lsmod | grep snd > > > > snd_rtctimer 4384 0 > > > > snd_emu10k1_synth 8192 4 > > > > snd_emux_synth 35968 10 snd_emu10k1_synth > > > > snd_seq_virmidi 8576 1 snd_emux_synth > > > > snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth > > > > snd_emu10k1 121248 12 snd_emu10k1_synth > > > > snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_emu10k1 > > > > ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec > > > > snd_pcm_oss 45056 0 > > > > snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss > > > > snd_pcm 80260 5 > > > > snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 10888 > > > > 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm > > > > snd_util_mem 5760 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > > > > snd_hwdep 10500 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 > > > > snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 > > > > snd_seq_oss 33408 0 > > > > snd_seq_midi 9600 2 > > > > snd_rawmidi 25856 3 > > > > snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 8448 > > > > 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq > > > > 53232 29 > > > > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_se > > > >q_os s,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 24196 4 > > > > snd_rtctimer,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 9100 > > > > 8 > > > > snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_os > > > >s,sn d_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 54788 26 > > > > snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > > > >,snd > > > > _mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_time > > > >r,snd _seq_device soundcore 9440 1 snd > > > > # > > > > > > > > THis picture shows the sound card I have installed. perhaps you could > > > > find something in there which could be of importance. I looked at > > > > your tutorial and found that e.g. the audio device is different. > > > > Could that be the source of the problem, because my audio device is > > > > no EMU10k1 ? > > > > > > > > Laurent Asorne > > > > > > snd_pcm 80260 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > > > > > > Do you have your on board sound system enabled on top of a 3rd party > > > sound card ? > > > > > > That'll drive Kubuntu NUTS, I had it happen to me. > > > > > > Greg > > > > I don't have any onboard sound system... > > > > Laurent Asorne > > Then I may have a misconception. I thought ac97 codec was normally > used by the generic onboard sound systems. Anyone know if that's > correct or not ? Have you checked the bios for any configuration > options of an onboard audio device ? > > Greg There is, as far as i can see, no option for onboard sound systems in my bios... I'll check it out though! Laurent Asorne -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 20:50:52 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:50:52 -0600 Subject: Error message with recent dapper kernel update Message-ID: <46E8512C.2040409@gmail.com> Just in case this is affecting anyone else... After installing the most recent dapper amd64 kernel update on my dual-core 64-bit system, I noticed that during boot time, I began to see an error message: MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC Adding the "noapic" option to the boot options removed the error message and (at least so far) seems to have had no adverse effects. This is with an ASUS A8N-SLI Premium mobo. From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Wed Sep 12 21:59:34 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:59:34 +0100 Subject: Graphics cards Message-ID: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> I'm intending to rebuild the PC in the fairly near future. I don't need a powerful graphics card, I want it fanless, and I want it to be PCI Express x16. Sorry to have to ask here, but has anybody used either of these yet? Sapphire HD 2400 Pro 256MB VGA DVI TVO PCI-E Graphics Card http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=128951 GPU - ATI 2400Pro Asus EN6200LE 64MB Turbocache supporting 256MB DDR DVI PCI-E Graphics Card http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=116473 NVIDIA GeForce 6200LE GPU There is an ebuyer customer feedback on the Nvidia card, stating that it works with Suse 10.2. The report here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=828&num=4 suggests that the ATI chip is supported by a Linux driver. I have to say that since the announcements about AMD supporting the Open Source community with drivers for ATI chips, I would prefer to buy an ATI based card again. Can anybody comment please? Thanks, Dave Fletcher -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From macariov at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 22:16:07 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (macariov at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:16:07 +0000 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <1683416023-1189635373-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174142108-@bxe120.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have the NVIDIA GeForce 6200LE GPU On one of my desktops. I have run the last three iterations of (xk)ubuntu as well as kanotix, opensuse, mandriva 2007-1 and windows xp. I have yet to see it fail. The only problem is that the native nvidia linux driver did not work for me, so I had to go with the free one, no a big deal for me, whatever works. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David Fletcher Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:59:34 To:kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Graphics cards I'm intending to rebuild the PC in the fairly near future. I don't need a powerful graphics card, I want it fanless, and I want it to be PCI Express x16. Sorry to have to ask here, but has anybody used either of these yet? Sapphire HD 2400 Pro 256MB VGA DVI TVO PCI-E Graphics Card http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=128951 GPU - ATI 2400Pro Asus EN6200LE 64MB Turbocache supporting 256MB DDR DVI PCI-E Graphics Card http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=116473 NVIDIA GeForce 6200LE GPU There is an ebuyer customer feedback on the Nvidia card, stating that it works with Suse 10.2. The report here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=828&num=4 suggests that the ATI chip is supported by a Linux driver. I have to say that since the announcements about AMD supporting the Open Source community with drivers for ATI chips, I would prefer to buy an ATI based card again. Can anybody comment please? Thanks, Dave Fletcher -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From paulvarjak at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 22:33:29 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:33:29 +0200 Subject: ATI X1600PRO + 8.41.7 Message-ID: <5e33e3860709121533t35431e5dwdfaec38e7a2073d0@mail.gmail.com> Hi... Has anyone tried the 8.41.7 version of ATI drivers with an ATI X1600Pro? How it was? What about the TV out? Is possible to output full screen video? Thanks, Paul. From prlewis at letterboxes.org Wed Sep 12 23:25:08 2007 From: prlewis at letterboxes.org (Peter Lewis) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:25:08 +0100 Subject: ATI X1600PRO + 8.41.7 In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709121533t35431e5dwdfaec38e7a2073d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860709121533t35431e5dwdfaec38e7a2073d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709130025.08694.prlewis@letterboxes.org> Hi, On Wednesday 12 September 2007 23:33:29 Paul Varjak wrote: > Has anyone tried the 8.41.7 version of ATI drivers with an ATI X1600Pro? I wanted to try the new driver after reading various reviews, but on the ATI website all I could find was this page: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html ...offering version 8.40.4. Is the new one available? Pete. From paulatgm at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 23:30:56 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:30:56 -0400 Subject: Graphic cards Message-ID: <46E876B0.1040605@gmail.com> I think you will always prefer to run the binary blob to get the best 3D effects, so which one has the better binary blob support. In my experience, it's nvidia. Another question to think about it is: will nvidia's binary blob be better than the open source driver for the ati? I think the answer is also yes to this question. A third issue is timing. You are buying this now, but the ati binary blob is still problematic, so how long will you have to suffer until the driver improves. Most likely months. With nvidia, the answer is that they support their cards with good drivers (certainly better than anything from open source or ati.) FWIW, From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 12 23:35:35 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:35:35 -0400 Subject: How to set a permanent process priority? In-Reply-To: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Ali Milis wrote: > But is there a way to set a permanent priority? I can't find one. A common suggestion among the articles I found is to wrap it in a script. To avoid problems with upgrades, you could put the script in /usr/local/bin, and ensure your PATH puts /usr/local first, which I think is pretty typical out of the box. For example, /usr/bin/audacity becomes #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/audacity renice -5 $(pidof audacity) Or something like that. Running "audacity" would find the script in /usr/local/bin first. This wouldn't work if launching from an icon or menu entry that's pointing directly at /usr/bin/audacity. You'd have to change this. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 12 23:38:37 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:38:37 -0400 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709122203.18480.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709121938.37486.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Greg Booth wrote: > Then I may have a misconception. I thought ac97 codec was normally > used by the generic onboard sound systems. It is, but the emu10k1 also uses this driver. It's normal. I have experience with the hardware first-hand. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 12 23:46:54 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:46:54 -0400 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709042005.11216.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <200709121946.54782.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > THis picture shows the sound card I have installed. perhaps you could find > something in there which could be of importance. I looked at your tutorial > and found that e.g. the audio device is different. Could that be the source > of the problem, because my audio device is no EMU10k1 ? First we need to establish what kind of "sound" you mean. Are you trying to play audio files (.wav) or MIDI? For MIDI, did you run asfxload and load a soundfont into the card? Did you turn up the mixer volume? The mixer on the emu10k1 is a serious bastard to figure out. I recommend using QAMix. This is apparently a real package now, at least on my Ubuntu Studio based system. ii qamix 0.0.7e-0ubuntu2 Configurable mixer for ALSA Look for the "synth" channel, and make sure it's up. Actually, now that you mention it, I have this card reinstalled. I took it out after the "synth" (or maybe it was "music?" whatever I said in my book) channel disappeared from the mixer, and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work again. I put it back in a couple years later, when I thought my other soundcard was dying. I'm playing with it now, and there's no damn "synth" channel under QAMix. How helpful. I have no idea why this is, and the soundcard is completely obsolete now anyway. Maybe try QSynth. -- D. Michael McIntyre From edulix at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 23:55:42 2007 From: edulix at gmail.com (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:55:42 +0200 Subject: How to set a permanent process priority? In-Reply-To: <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709130155.43135.edulix@gmail.com> El Jueves, 13 de Septiembre de 2007, D. Michael McIntyre escribió: > On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Ali Milis wrote: > > But is there a way to set a permanent priority? > > I can't find one. A common suggestion among the articles I found is to > wrap it in a script. > > To avoid problems with upgrades, you could put the script in > /usr/local/bin, and ensure your PATH puts /usr/local first, which I think > is pretty typical out of the box. > > For example, /usr/bin/audacity becomes > > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/audacity > renice -5 $(pidof audacity) > > Or something like that. Running "audacity" would find the script > in /usr/local/bin first. This wouldn't work if launching from an icon or > menu entry that's pointing directly at /usr/bin/audacity. You'd have to > change this. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre Solution: move audacity binary to /usr/bin/audacity2, then put the script in /usr/bin/audacity. Sometimes I've used this technique for example to see with which arguments is a program calling ifconfig or whatever command. (You could also debug it anyway). It works fine, although it's a bit hackish to be honest. Isn't this kind of thing what dtrace brings to the table in OpenSolaris? -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." (George Bernard Shaw) From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 13 00:06:30 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: How to set a permanent process priority? In-Reply-To: <200709130155.43135.edulix@gmail.com> References: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709130155.43135.edulix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709122006.30931.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > Solution: move audacity binary to /usr/bin/audacity2, then put the script > in /usr/bin/audacity. Yeahbut if you do this, it gets undone the next time you upgrade the package. Unless you pin it or something, etc. and blah. Easier just to leave the distro package where it wants to be, and work around it. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 13 02:34:04 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:34:04 -0500 Subject: Atheros Wireless card Message-ID: <46E8A19C.9010707@swbell.net> TP-LINK TL-610G PCMCIA Wireless Wi-Fi 802.11 G+/g/b 32-bit CardBus Adapter PC Card Newest Atheros AR5005GS + AR2414A Chipset From my limited knowledge of wireless with Linux I have seen that Atheros chip sets are to be preferred. Does anyone know if the above board is a good one for use with Kubuntu Feisty? -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 05:21:02 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:21:02 +0200 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <1683416023-1189635373-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174142108-@bxe120.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <1683416023-1189635373-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174142108-@bxe120.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I am running an Nvidia Geforce 7600 gs. I run it with it's fan unplugged and with the Nvidia made driver. It has a heat monitor and even running 3d aps the hottest it gets is one line into the yellow. I have been doing this for one year with no problems. In the beginning I was going to put a resistor in the fan to slow it down to a quiet level but never got to it. I also mounted the HDs in the CD bays with hair rubber bands so they make almost no noise. Then For the DVD player I use a little program,"setcd -x 1", to run it at speed 1x when watching movies. Douglas From kassube at gmx.net Thu Sep 13 06:41:19 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:41:19 +0200 Subject: How to set a permanent process priority? In-Reply-To: <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709130841.19940.kassube@gmx.net> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > For example, /usr/bin/audacity becomes > > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/audacity > renice -5 $(pidof audacity) > > Or something like that. That something would be more like this (but it has only limited value, see below): #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/audacity & pid=`jobs -p 1` sudo renice -5 $pid But there are (at least) 3 problems here: First, you can renice your own processes to get a lower priority (higher nice value), but only root may rise the priority to negative nice values. That's why we need sudo here. Second, only users in the admin group can use this trick to improve the priority. Third, you will only see the password prompt on the terminal if audacity doesn't hide the terminal. And you have to start the script from a terminal to get the password prompt at all. Nils From erebus at rogers.com Thu Sep 13 11:11:37 2007 From: erebus at rogers.com (Frank) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:11:37 -0400 Subject: Atheros Wireless card In-Reply-To: <46E8A19C.9010707@swbell.net> References: <46E8A19C.9010707@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > > TP-LINK TL-610G PCMCIA Wireless Wi-Fi > 802.11 G+/g/b 32-bit CardBus Adapter PC Card > Newest Atheros AR5005GS + AR2414A Chipset > > > From my limited knowledge of wireless with Linux I have seen that > Atheros chip sets are to be preferred. Does anyone know if the above > board is a good one for use with Kubuntu Feisty? > > I bought a nice Acer laptop that came with a built-in Atheros chipset. After 2 weeks of fighting with it I bought a D-Link USB 802.11G adapter which Kubuntu recognized immediately. Best money I ever spent. Frank near Toronto, Canada From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 12:18:41 2007 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:18:41 -0400 Subject: Atheros Wireless card In-Reply-To: <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> References: <46E8A19C.9010707@swbell.net> <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/13/07, Frank wrote: > > Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > TP-LINK TL-610G PCMCIA Wireless Wi-Fi > > 802.11 G+/g/b 32-bit CardBus Adapter PC Card > > Newest Atheros AR5005GS + AR2414A Chipset > > > > > > From my limited knowledge of wireless with Linux I have seen that > > Atheros chip sets are to be preferred. Does anyone know if the above > > board is a good one for use with Kubuntu Feisty? > > > > > I bought a nice Acer laptop that came with a built-in Atheros chipset. > After 2 weeks of fighting with it I bought a D-Link USB 802.11G adapter > which Kubuntu recognized immediately. Best money I ever spent. > > Frank > near Toronto, Canada Interesting I also bought an Acer installed Ubuntu Feisty amd64 on the 3rd partition and since upgraded to Gutsy. My Atheros worked from the very start on both WindowsXP 32 bit and Linux 64bit , I still dual boot as the only hardware on the Acer that does not wokr with Linux is the built in web cam. -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Sep 13 13:22:55 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:22:55 +0300 Subject: OT changing default number of characters in email messages Message-ID: <46E939AF.6070001@rmk.co.il> This somewhat relevant: I know that it is email etiquette to use 75(?) characters per line but how can I use different number of characters for different purposes (like non-mailing list messages) using Thunderbird? Blessings, Nigel From lists at pavri.net Thu Sep 13 16:24:47 2007 From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:54:47 +0530 Subject: Atheros Wireless card In-Reply-To: <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> References: <46E8A19C.9010707@swbell.net> <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070913162447.GA7540@natrum> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Frank wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > TP-LINK TL-610G PCMCIA Wireless Wi-Fi > > 802.11 G+/g/b 32-bit CardBus Adapter PC Card > > Newest Atheros AR5005GS + AR2414A Chipset > > > > > > From my limited knowledge of wireless with Linux I have seen that > > Atheros chip sets are to be preferred. Does anyone know if the above > > board is a good one for use with Kubuntu Feisty? > > > > > I bought a nice Acer laptop that came with a built-in Atheros chipset. > After 2 weeks of fighting with it I bought a D-Link USB 802.11G adapter > which Kubuntu recognized immediately. Best money I ever spent. > > Frank > near Toronto, Canada www.madwifi.org/ hth Sharukh -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. Reisner's Rule of Conceptual Inertia: If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it. From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 16:38:17 2007 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:38:17 -0400 Subject: Atheros Wireless card In-Reply-To: <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> References: <46E8A19C.9010707@swbell.net> <46E91AE9.2080403@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/13/07, Frank wrote: > > Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > TP-LINK TL-610G PCMCIA Wireless Wi-Fi > > 802.11 G+/g/b 32-bit CardBus Adapter PC Card > > Newest Atheros AR5005GS + AR2414A Chipset > > > > > > From my limited knowledge of wireless with Linux I have seen that > > Atheros chip sets are to be preferred. Does anyone know if the above > > board is a good one for use with Kubuntu Feisty? > > > > > I bought a nice Acer laptop that came with a built-in Atheros chipset. > After 2 weeks of fighting with it I bought a D-Link USB 802.11G adapter > which Kubuntu recognized immediately. Best money I ever spent. > > Frank > near Toronto, Canada Can you provide more specific details on the problems you encountered ?? Phil -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 17:58:03 2007 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:58:03 -0600 Subject: nspluginwrapper which viewer ? In-Reply-To: <46E66EE0.8070207@gmail.com> References: <46E66EE0.8070207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0709131058o5ca5d269j9b994de5bcafbdf@mail.gmail.com> On 9/11/07, Phil Pinkerton wrote: > The last Gutsy upgrade, dist-upgrade resulted in the following message. > What viewer is it looking for ? > > Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.0ubuntu9) ... > Installing from local file > /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz > Flash Plugin installed. > /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading > shared libraries: libXcomposite.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory > > nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for > /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so I think that npviewer.bin is the appropriate viewer, but it is complaining that it can't find or can't load libXcompasite.so.1. Makes me wonder if libXcomposite is now on version 2, or is no longer installed. I remember getting very bad error messages while trying to get nspluginwrapper working. I can't recall what I did that solved it. I think I just had to look really hard for the right packages. Michael From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:13:12 2007 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:13:12 -0600 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709122145.22195.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121255h16a0e39dne86b6bf1a672f108@mail.gmail.com> <200709122203.18480.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0709131113r516d36aated036b6f0716c13d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, Greg Booth wrote: > > Then I may have a misconception. I thought ac97 codec was normally > used by the generic onboard sound systems. Anyone know if that's > correct or not ? Have you checked the bios for any configuration > options of an onboard audio device ? my understanding is that ac97 is a standard for interfacing to a sound chip. I have often seen it used for onboard sound, but I don't think there is any reason if couldn't be used on a PCI sound card, or anything else. Michael From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:17:57 2007 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:17:57 -0600 Subject: How to set a permanent process priority? In-Reply-To: <200709130841.19940.kassube@gmx.net> References: <36135600709120540u5c0f0079v7a525cd6ba9ac35f@mail.gmail.com> <200709121935.35499.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709130841.19940.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0709131117vd9ed300h2a16227bcaaedd76@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Nils Kassube wrote: > That something would be more like this (but it has only limited value, see > below): > > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/audacity & > pid=`jobs -p 1` > sudo renice -5 $pid > > But there are (at least) 3 problems here: > > First, you can renice your own processes to get a lower priority (higher > nice value), but only root may rise the priority to negative nice values. > That's why we need sudo here. > > Second, only users in the admin group can use this trick to improve the > priority. > > Third, you will only see the password prompt on the terminal if audacity > doesn't hide the terminal. And you have to start the script from a > terminal to get the password prompt at all. For this last objection, you can either edit your /etc/sudoers file (using visudo) to give you permission to run the command without a password, or use kdesu instead of sudo. That will give you a graphical password box. But I think a better solution is to check out one of the low latency kernels and see if you can just fix the responsiveness on your new machine. It really should not be hiccupping. Michael From paulvarjak at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:18:59 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:18:59 +0200 Subject: SWIFTFOX CRASH Message-ID: <5e33e3860709131118q7f496667ta290dac51b85c055@mail.gmail.com> Hello. Just upgraded from Swiftfox 2.0.0.0 to Swiftfox 2.0.0.6. Now when I try to start it: ~$ swiftfox (swiftfox-bin:12676): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. (swiftfox-bin:12676): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine", (swiftfox-bin:12676): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine", Segmentation fault (core dumped) ~$ uname -a Linux anacardico 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:16:15 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux Any clue on how to repair this? (KUBUNTU 7.04) Thanks. Paul From paulvarjak at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 19:18:46 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:18:46 +0200 Subject: ATI X1600PRO + 8.41.7 In-Reply-To: <200709130025.08694.prlewis@letterboxes.org> References: <5e33e3860709121533t35431e5dwdfaec38e7a2073d0@mail.gmail.com> <200709130025.08694.prlewis@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <5e33e3860709131218l580a9115x84437b54436caaac@mail.gmail.com> I haven't tried to download it, but I'm suscribed to the feed of ati drivers for linux and they sent me here: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.41.7.html On 9/13/07, Peter Lewis wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 12 September 2007 23:33:29 Paul Varjak wrote: > > Has anyone tried the 8.41.7 version of ATI drivers with an ATI X1600Pro? > > I wanted to try the new driver after reading various reviews, but on the ATI > website all I could find was this page: > > http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html > > ...offering version 8.40.4. > > Is the new one available? > > Pete. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 20:31:39 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:31:39 -0600 Subject: FF and TB running on wrong computer Message-ID: <46E99E2B.5030608@gmail.com> This is very strange... computer A is running dapper; computer B is a laptop running an old Mandrake distribution. Sitting at the terminal for computer A, I ssh into computer B. The login goes fine, although there is a not-very-comprehensible message about forwarding: ---- [H:~] ssh laptop n7dr at laptop's password: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Last login: Thu Sep 13 07:06:00 2007 from 192.168.0.190 [L:n7dr] ---- On the ssh command line for computer B I now start FF (or TB). The resulting session of FF or TB runs on computer *A*. How on Earth can that happen? And given that it is happening, how do I stop it? I sort-of assume that it has something to do with that message during login time, but it's still a bit of a mystery how a command to run a program on computer B causes it actually to run on computer A -- I can tell that it's the FF from computer A because all the bookmarks and history are those for computer A; in fact, the two computers don't even have the same version of FF, and it's definitely the computer A version that's started, even though I'm typing it on the command line for computer B. Really, really weird. The only programs that seem to do this are FF and TB. All other programs behave exactly as one would expect (i.e., the computer B version is started, but the window appears on the screen for computer A). Doc From stdin at stdin.me.uk Thu Sep 13 22:58:32 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:58:32 +0100 Subject: FF and TB running on wrong computer In-Reply-To: <46E99E2B.5030608@gmail.com> References: <46E99E2B.5030608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E9C098.7040800@stdin.me.uk> D. R. Evans wrote: > This is very strange... > > computer A is running dapper; computer B is a laptop running an old > Mandrake distribution. > > Sitting at the terminal for computer A, I ssh into computer B. > > The login goes fine, although there is a not-very-comprehensible message > about forwarding: > > ---- > > [H:~] ssh laptop > n7dr at laptop's password: > Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. > Last login: Thu Sep 13 07:06:00 2007 from 192.168.0.190 > [L:n7dr] > > ---- > > On the ssh command line for computer B I now start FF (or TB). The > resulting session of FF or TB runs on computer *A*. How on Earth can that > happen? And given that it is happening, how do I stop it? > > I sort-of assume that it has something to do with that message during login > time, but it's still a bit of a mystery how a command to run a program on > computer B causes it actually to run on computer A -- I can tell that it's > the FF from computer A because all the bookmarks and history are those for > computer A; in fact, the two computers don't even have the same version of > FF, and it's definitely the computer A version that's started, even though > I'm typing it on the command line for computer B. > > Really, really weird. > > The only programs that seem to do this are FF and TB. All other programs > behave exactly as one would expect (i.e., the computer B version is > started, but the window appears on the screen for computer A). > > Doc > > > > > > I get this too, but only if I have FF already running on computer A, else the version from B starts. To be honest I actually like this, because I run TB over ssh from my desktop machine so I can use it on my laptop. When I click a link in TB it will open in my local FF instead of starting a remote FF session. I don't think this has anything to do with the warning you see, I'm guessing it's just using an "older" X11-forwarding method than what's "standard" today. As to why this happens in the first place and a way to stop it (other than closing the local FF session first) I don't know. Terence From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Sep 14 07:53:42 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:53:42 -0700 Subject: software suggestions; open source References: Message-ID: <87tzpx8yyh.fsf@fjellstad.org> Knapp writes: > Edges are always blurry in the real world. I guess the answer to your > question would have to do with what you get under each license. For > example with Firefox what would you get if you payed for it? If > without paying you get something that is incomplete, is full of ads, > or has limits, like you can not use it for profit or whatever, then I > would call it cripple ware, ad ware or perhaps to be nice sample > software. If you get everything and the software is totally free (as > in speech, not beer) then I would think of it as open source. I don't > think Linux would be were it is at today if there had been two > versions of it. I think you have a serious misunderstanding of what open source software is. Here are the definition http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd The question of open source is not whether it is dual-licensed. The question of open-source is whether the software you receive follows the definition as laid out by OSI. MS open source initiative doesn't fall into the Open Source definition because you, as the receiver of the software, are in seriously restricted how you use the code. This doesn't apply to MySQL. With MySQL you have a choice of license. You can either accept it under GPL or under a propriatery license. If you accept the software under GPL, you get all the rights that GPL grants you. There is no 'sorta' open source about it. Of course, getting a software under GPL means that you (not being the copyright holder) have certain restrictions on how you distribute the software you receive. You are required to distribute the software under the GPL. Now, some companies can't distribute software under GPL for whatever reason. The copyright holders of MySQL have given these people another option. They can pay money to use the software under another license. The software itself doesn't get suddenly less 'open source' because of this. The people who received the software under GPL doesn't suddenly lose anything. In fact, any software can be relicensed by the copyright holder. It's just a matter of negotiating with the copyright holder and meeting their price. > I really don't want to spend my time paying 50 companies 5$ each to > make their software save what I have written or work in some needed > special way. LOL. For me the more whole, complete and open the better. Depends. Lets say you make $50/hr. To pay 50 companies $5, you would have to work 5 hours to cover the cost of the software. Let say you can get 50 equivalent software products for free, but it will take you 500 hours to get them to work (during which time you are not doing you primary business). Which one do you honestly think is more cost effective? > I have chosen to support PostgreSQL. Maybe I am wrong in not being > into MySQL more. Have you read the wiki entry where it gets into the > licensing Issues of MySQL? Did you see where they say that they could > change the license but promise not to? What if I invest in their > software and they drop the GPL license? Will the community pick it up? > PostgreSQL works for me. It is totally free, well supported for free > by the community and unowned. You do realize PostgreSQL can change their license if their copyright holders decide it? You do realize any software can be relicensed if the copyright holder decide it? In fact, PostgreSQL being BSD means that someone, somewhere can be using a propriatery extension to PostgreSQL without sharing it with the community... If you want to argue for PostgreSQL, argue that it's better (for different values of better), rather pointing to the license as the deciding factor (when both licenses are open source by definition). -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From manchicken at notsosoft.net Fri Sep 14 13:15:07 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:15:07 -0500 Subject: software suggestions; open source In-Reply-To: <87tzpx8yyh.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <87tzpx8yyh.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200709140815.07195.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Friday 14 September 2007 02:53:42 John L Fjellstad wrote: > Knapp writes: > > Edges are always blurry in the real world. I guess the answer to your > > question would have to do with what you get under each license. For > > example with Firefox what would you get if you payed for it? If > > without paying you get something that is incomplete, is full of ads, > > or has limits, like you can not use it for profit or whatever, then I > > would call it cripple ware, ad ware or perhaps to be nice sample > > software. If you get everything and the software is totally free (as > > in speech, not beer) then I would think of it as open source. I don't > > think Linux would be were it is at today if there had been two > > versions of it. > > I think you have a serious misunderstanding of what open source software > is. Here are the definition > http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > > The question of open source is not whether it is dual-licensed. The > question of open-source is whether the software you receive follows the > definition as laid out by OSI. MS open source initiative doesn't fall > into the Open Source definition because you, as the receiver of the > software, are in seriously restricted how you use the code. This > doesn't apply to MySQL. > > With MySQL you have a choice of license. You can either accept it under > GPL or under a propriatery license. If you accept the software under > GPL, you get all the rights that GPL grants you. There is no 'sorta' > open source about it. Of course, getting a software under GPL means > that you (not being the copyright holder) have certain restrictions on > how you distribute the software you receive. You are required to > distribute the software under the GPL. > > Now, some companies can't distribute software under GPL for whatever > reason. The copyright holders of MySQL have given these people another > option. They can pay money to use the software under another license. > The software itself doesn't get suddenly less 'open source' because of > this. The people who received the software under GPL doesn't suddenly > lose anything. > > In fact, any software can be relicensed by the copyright holder. It's > just a matter of negotiating with the copyright holder and meeting their > price. > > > I really don't want to spend my time paying 50 companies 5$ each to > > make their software save what I have written or work in some needed > > special way. LOL. For me the more whole, complete and open the better. > > Depends. > Lets say you make $50/hr. To pay 50 companies $5, you would have to > work 5 hours to cover the cost of the software. Let say you can get 50 > equivalent software products for free, but it will take you 500 hours to > get them to work (during which time you are not doing you primary > business). Which one do you honestly think is more cost effective? > > > I have chosen to support PostgreSQL. Maybe I am wrong in not being > > into MySQL more. Have you read the wiki entry where it gets into the > > licensing Issues of MySQL? Did you see where they say that they could > > change the license but promise not to? What if I invest in their > > software and they drop the GPL license? Will the community pick it up? > > PostgreSQL works for me. It is totally free, well supported for free > > by the community and unowned. > > You do realize PostgreSQL can change their license if their copyright > holders decide it? You do realize any software can be relicensed if the > copyright holder decide it? In fact, PostgreSQL being BSD means that > someone, somewhere can be using a propriatery extension to PostgreSQL > without sharing it with the community... > > If you want to argue for PostgreSQL, argue that it's better (for > different values of better), rather pointing to the license as the > deciding factor (when both licenses are open source by definition). > > -- > John L. Fjellstad > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Or better yet, read what Free Software is. MySQL--according to its GPLv2 license agreement--is Free Software under the GNU General Public license. http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html From hgladney at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 14:18:33 2007 From: hgladney at gmail.com (Henry Gladney) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:18:33 -0700 Subject: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Synaptic Package Manager Message-ID: <5e9e02e30709140718s1fa9436ao1df969cf4992abcd@mail.gmail.com> Operating system: Ubuntu 7.10 with all update patches until approx. 31st Aug 2007. An attempt to install VirtualBox from the download page, using "VirtualBox 1.5.0 for Linux Hosts: Ubuntu 7.04 ("Feisty Fawn") i386" failed about a week ago. Subsequently, every attempt to use the Synaptic Package Manager fails on open with the message that follows: E: The package virtualbox needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report. The Linux Ubuntu Update Manager fails similarly. Trying to accomplish the VirtualBox installation from scratch, again using "VirtualBox 1.5.0 for Linux Hosts: Ubuntu 7.04 ("Feisty Fawn") i386" fails as indicated by the attached screen shots. Whether I select the download option "use Debian package manager" or load the package into my system and then try to open it seems immaterial. Please let me know how to: (1) Clean up all vestiges of VirtualBox, or at least enough to avoid its interfering with the Synaptic Package Manager and Update Manager. (2) How to accomplish a working installation of VirtualBox. Presumably this would be after you believe the original problem repaired. This message is a copy of one already sent to the VirtualBox owners ( innotek.de) Best wishes, Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 14:42:27 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:42:27 -0600 Subject: FF and TB running on wrong computer In-Reply-To: <46E9C098.7040800@stdin.me.uk> References: <46E99E2B.5030608@gmail.com> <46E9C098.7040800@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <46EA9DD3.2080405@gmail.com> Terence Simpson said the following at 09/13/2007 04:58 PM : >> >> > I get this too, but only if I have FF already running on computer A, > else the version from B starts. I always have FF running on computer A; but I just tried it without and you are right: in that case the computer B version starts. This is driving me crazy, though, because apart from not seeming to make sense, it's not at all what I want. Computer B is sitting on a VPN that is not accessible to computer A, and I need to be able to run FF simultaneously on both computers. At a push, I suppose I could switch to using Konq on one of the machines, but that seems a real kludge (and not one that will work if I want some FF feature that Konq doesn't have). From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 14:46:07 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:46:07 -0400 Subject: off: Audio CD's and Microsoft Message-ID: <200709141046.07553.cms0009@gmail.com> http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070912/tc_pcworld/137106 Read, this..you thought DRM music encoded music was bad...this is sick. Tracking you.... Cheer's Richard From kassube at gmx.net Fri Sep 14 15:11:38 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:11:38 +0200 Subject: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Synaptic Package Manager In-Reply-To: <5e9e02e30709140718s1fa9436ao1df969cf4992abcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e9e02e30709140718s1fa9436ao1df969cf4992abcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709141711.38941.kassube@gmx.net> Henry Gladney wrote: > E: The package virtualbox needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an > archive for it. > E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report. Maybe you should add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian/ feisty non-free Then try to start synaptic again. Nils From pupeno at pupeno.com Fri Sep 14 15:14:16 2007 From: pupeno at pupeno.com (J. Pablo =?iso-8859-1?q?Fern=E1ndez?=) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:14:16 +0100 Subject: DNS search names Message-ID: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> Hello, How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. Thanks. -- J. Pablo Fernández (http://pupeno.com) From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Sep 14 15:27:36 2007 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:27:36 -0400 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <1683416023-1189635373-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174142108-@bxe120.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200709141127.36546.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 13 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > I am running an Nvidia Geforce 7600 gs. I run it with it's fan > unplugged and with the Nvidia made driver. It has a heat monitor and > even running 3d aps the hottest it gets is one line into the yellow. I > have been doing this for one year with no problems. In the beginning I > was going to put a resistor in the fan to slow it down to a quiet > level but never got to it. > > I also mounted the HDs in the CD bays with hair rubber bands so they > make almost no noise. > Then For the DVD player I use a little program,"setcd -x 1", to run it > at speed 1x when watching movies. Cool idea, BUT, there has been some research (no, I cannot think of where I read it) that seemed to heavily suggest that a hard drive needs a relatively rigid securing method due to the rotational/centripetal (sp?) force inside the drive. Something about it needing a rigid mounting so that it can "stop" and "start" the needle/head in the correct place. From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 14 15:41:48 2007 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:41:48 -0700 Subject: KNetworkManager Stopped Working Message-ID: <46EAABBC.5040809@rlknight.com> At some point in the last 2 weeks knetworkmanager stopped working. I didn't notice until I tried to use my wireless connection at home. I had been connected to my wired network at work and all seemed to be working. Now knetworkmanager does not see or configure my wireless nic. Until a couple of weeks ago it did see my wireless and my wired and allowed me to move between them without any errors or problems. I've found a work around using wpa_supplicant but I would like to get knetworkmanager working again. I'm using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn on an HP nc 8230 Notebook PC with an IPW2200 wireless NIC. The wireless networks I connect to are WPA-PSK-TKIP and they work fine except for one network that uses WEP. I cannot connect to it using wpa_supplicant. Also, I've lost the knetworkmanager icons in system tray. I can think of nothing I have installed over the last couple of weeks that might have caused this problem, but that is a possible. Thanks for any help. Rick From T.Six at gmx.de Fri Sep 14 16:01:05 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:01:05 +0200 Subject: DNS search names In-Reply-To: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: J. Pablo Fernández wrote the following on 14.09.2007 17:14 > Hello, > > How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? > Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. > > Thanks. When /etc is on ext3 then you could lock that file with: $ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf after editing it. unlocking with: $ sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf bye -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Sep 14 16:07:07 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:07 -0700 Subject: software suggestions; open source References: <87tzpx8yyh.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200709140815.07195.manchicken@notsosoft.net> Message-ID: <871wd1fcyc.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Michael D. Stemle, Jr." writes: > Or better yet, read what Free Software is. MySQL--according to its GPLv2 > license agreement--is Free Software under the GNU General Public license. > > http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html Well, yeah, but the issue seems to be whether MySQL can be considered open source because it's dual-licensed. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 14 16:09:04 2007 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:09:04 -0700 Subject: DNS search names In-Reply-To: References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: <46EAB220.2010502@rlknight.com> Thilo Six wrote: > J. Pablo Fernández wrote the following on 14.09.2007 17:14 > >> Hello, >> >> How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? >> Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. >> >> Thanks. >> > > When /etc is on ext3 then you could lock that file with: > $ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf > after editing it. > > unlocking with: > $ sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf > > bye > Try System Settings > Network Settings > Administrator Mode. You can change the name search there. If you get your IP from a DHCP server you can tell the dhcp client to not get nameserver information. Look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. Rick From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Fri Sep 14 16:13:09 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:13:09 +0100 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <200709141127.36546.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709141127.36546.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200709141713.09691.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Friday 14 Sep 2007, Brendan wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > > I am running an Nvidia Geforce 7600 gs. I run it with it's fan > > unplugged and with the Nvidia made driver. It has a heat monitor and > > even running 3d aps the hottest it gets is one line into the yellow. I > > have been doing this for one year with no problems. In the beginning I > > was going to put a resistor in the fan to slow it down to a quiet > > level but never got to it. > > > > I also mounted the HDs in the CD bays with hair rubber bands so they > > make almost no noise. > > Then For the DVD player I use a little program,"setcd -x 1", to run it > > at speed 1x when watching movies. > > Cool idea, BUT, there has been some research (no, I cannot think of where I > read it) that seemed to heavily suggest that a hard drive needs a > relatively rigid securing method due to the rotational/centripetal (sp?) > force inside the drive. Something about it needing a rigid mounting so that > it can "stop" and "start" the needle/head in the correct place. My son's Antec computer case has rubber grommets through which the mounting bolts pass, and I've run a hard drive for over a week just sitting on rubber bands laid on the desktop to silence it. -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From hgladney at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 17:41:59 2007 From: hgladney at gmail.com (Henry Gladney) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:41:59 -0700 Subject: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Re: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Synaptic Package Manager Message-ID: <5e9e02e30709141041m21f3ba42y19fc84a958bab594@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, Nils, for the prompt response, however ... Responding to 200709141711.38941.kassube at gmx.net which recommended: "Maybe you should add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:" deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian/ feisty non-free Tried this, but this did not repair Synaptic's reluctance to execute. Same error message, even after an intervening Linux boot. Best wishes, Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From southern.tim at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 18:36:40 2007 From: southern.tim at gmail.com (Tim M) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:36:40 -0500 Subject: KNetworkManager Stopped Working In-Reply-To: <46EAABBC.5040809@rlknight.com> References: <46EAABBC.5040809@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <9fc2408f0709141136k2f8766fajde07196625a0f211@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/07, Rick Knight wrote: > > At some point in the last 2 weeks knetworkmanager stopped working. I > didn't notice until I tried to use my wireless connection at home. I had > been connected to my wired network at work and all seemed to be working. > Now knetworkmanager does not see or configure my wireless nic. Until a > couple of weeks ago it did see my wireless and my wired and allowed me > to move between them without any errors or problems. I've found a work > around using wpa_supplicant but I would like to get knetworkmanager > working again. > > I'm using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn on an HP nc 8230 Notebook PC with an > IPW2200 wireless NIC. > The wireless networks I connect to are WPA-PSK-TKIP and they work fine > except for one network that uses WEP. I cannot connect to it using > wpa_supplicant. > Also, I've lost the knetworkmanager icons in system tray. > I can think of nothing I have installed over the last couple of weeks > that might have caused this problem, but that is a possible. > > Thanks for any help. > > Rick Rick, I am not sure this is helpful but the same thing happened to me on my Ubuntu machine after an update. The only way I could get my wireless card to work was through command lines. I was going to let it be until I returned home but decided to work on the problem here where I have access to an unsecured router. However, it became a pain to use command lines because every time I woke the computer up from hibernation I would have to guess whether my connection would be eth0 or wlam0. So I downloaded my wlan drives from Dell, completely removed ndiswrapper and then reinstalled ndiswrapper and finally my driver. My networkmanager is now working again. No one on Ubuntu forum had any real idea what happened but whatever happened did so after installing updates and rebooting. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Fri Sep 14 19:01:39 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:01:39 +0200 Subject: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Re: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Synaptic Package Manager In-Reply-To: <5e9e02e30709141041m21f3ba42y19fc84a958bab594@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e9e02e30709141041m21f3ba42y19fc84a958bab594@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709142101.39525.kassube@gmx.net> Henry Gladney wrote: > Thank you, Nils, for the prompt response, however ... > > Responding to 200709141711.38941.kassube at gmx.net which recommended: > "Maybe you should add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:" > > deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian/ feisty non-free > > Tried this, but this did not repair Synaptic's reluctance to execute. > Same error message, even after an intervening Linux boot. Did you reload the package information? If synaptic doesn't start at all, you can reload the package information with the command sudo apt-get update in a terminal (e.g. konsole). Or you could use the adept package manager. Nils From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Fri Sep 14 19:21:29 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:21:29 +0100 Subject: software suggestions; open source In-Reply-To: <871wd1fcyc.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <87tzpx8yyh.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200709140815.07195.manchicken@notsosoft.net> <871wd1fcyc.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <20070914202129.15a91de3@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:07 -0700 John L Fjellstad wrote: > Well, yeah, but the issue seems to be whether MySQL can be considered > open source because it's dual-licensed. And whether KDE itself can be considered free software as long as it is linked to the Trolltech libraries. See: http://www.uk.debian.org/~phil/KDE-FAQ.html - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG6t85thMHx1h/UZYRAqJ6AJ47qjUstzqaYsePPE5EJ/4+51eLGACcDZb9 OJ4V8uVSPcpYU3MiQU6RzW0= =fzt/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:56:33 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:56:33 +0200 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <200709141713.09691.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709141127.36546.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200709141713.09691.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: > > Cool idea, BUT, there has been some research (no, I cannot think of where I > > read it) that seemed to heavily suggest that a hard drive needs a > > relatively rigid securing method due to the rotational/centripetal (sp?) > > force inside the drive. Something about it needing a rigid mounting so that > > it can "stop" and "start" the needle/head in the correct place. > All I can say to that is that it has been going almost 24-7 for about 16 months with no problems yet. It has been rebooted about 70 times during this time. I will try and let you know should it fail. Douglas From manchicken at notsosoft.net Fri Sep 14 20:17:33 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:33 -0500 Subject: software suggestions; open source In-Reply-To: <20070914202129.15a91de3@graham-desktop> References: <871wd1fcyc.fsf@fjellstad.org> <20070914202129.15a91de3@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200709141517.33619.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Friday 14 September 2007 14:21:29 Graham wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:07 -0700 > > John L Fjellstad wrote: > > Well, yeah, but the issue seems to be whether MySQL can be considered > > open source because it's dual-licensed. > > And whether KDE itself can be considered free software as long as it is > linked to the Trolltech libraries. See: > > http://www.uk.debian.org/~phil/KDE-FAQ.html > > -- > > Graham Todd You do know that the document you're citing is 8 years old, and Qt has since been licensed under the GPLv2, don't you? From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Sep 14 21:02:07 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:02:07 -0700 Subject: software suggestions; open source References: <87tzpx8yyh.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200709140815.07195.manchicken@notsosoft.net> <871wd1fcyc.fsf@fjellstad.org> <20070914202129.15a91de3@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <87myvparlc.fsf@fjellstad.org> Graham writes: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:07 -0700 > John L Fjellstad wrote: > >> Well, yeah, but the issue seems to be whether MySQL can be considered >> open source because it's dual-licensed. > > And whether KDE itself can be considered free software as long as it is > linked to the Trolltech libraries. See: > > http://www.uk.debian.org/~phil/KDE-FAQ.html Oh, please, this issue is so old that I can't believe it's still brought up. QT has been GPL since v2.2 (released in 2000). The current KDE that comes in Feisty is linked against QT v3.3 (the FAQ talks about v2). I believe KDE 2.0 started using QT 2.2 (http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-1.94.php). Also, I'm pretty sure Debian 3.0 (Woody, released July 2002) included KDE. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 21:40:34 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:40:34 -0700 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709141127.36546.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200709141713.09691.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: On 9/14/07, Knapp wrote: > > > Cool idea, BUT, there has been some research (no, I cannot think of where I > > > read it) that seemed to heavily suggest that a hard drive needs a > > > relatively rigid securing method due to the rotational/centripetal (sp?) > > > force inside the drive. Something about it needing a rigid mounting so that > > > it can "stop" and "start" the needle/head in the correct place. > > > > All I can say to that is that it has been going almost 24-7 for about > 16 months with no problems yet. It has been rebooted about 70 times > during this time. > > I will try and let you know should it fail. I would think that this would increase the possibility of failure. If somehow something were to imbalance the drive's motion, it could begin to oscillate quite violently. Of course, it would probably end up throwing the imbalance violently against the drive housing were it anchored to the case. I think in this case some rubber padding is a good thing, but a total rubber band suspension system might not be terribly good. Just my $0.02. I've been building PCs for a while, and have a fairly good feel for 'em. I wouldn't suspend it in the CD bay, but using the rubber bands for some limited shock absorbtion in the normal HDD bays sounds like a more sound idea, if only for fear of my kinetic runaway theory becoming a known phenomena (I hope it doesn't, but just in case...) From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 14 23:20:53 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:20:53 -0300 Subject: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Synaptic Package Manager References: <5e9e02e30709140718s1fa9436ao1df969cf4992abcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Henry Gladney wrote: > Operating system: Ubuntu 7.10 with all update patches until approx. 31st > Aug 2007. > > An attempt to install VirtualBox from the download page, using "VirtualBox > 1.5.0 for Linux Hosts: Ubuntu 7.04 ("Feisty Fawn") ... > Please let me know how to: > > (1) Clean up all vestiges of VirtualBox, or at least enough to avoid its > interfering with the Synaptic Package Manager and Update Manager. # sudo aptitude purge virtualbox if that doesn't work # dpkg --force-all --purge virtualbox > (2) How to accomplish a working installation of VirtualBox. Presumably > this would be after you believe the original problem repaired. > > This message is a copy of one already sent to the VirtualBox owners ( > innotek.de) I could have sworn I installed VirtualBox (not necessarily that version) previously from the Ubuntu repos, but I don't find it there now. -- derek From hgladney at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 01:20:35 2007 From: hgladney at gmail.com (Henry Gladney) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:20:35 -0700 Subject: Virtualbox installation failure and consequent failure of Synaptic Package Manager Message-ID: <5e9e02e30709141820v1d636dbbu782f5c56707ab51d@mail.gmail.com> Thank you again for your response at 14 Sep 2007 21:01:39. No, I did not attempt to reinitialize the package information. "sudo apt-get update" worked. I.e., it executed with a couple of warnings (one relating to VirtualBox). Subsequently I was able to restart the Synaptic package mgr. properly. I will now wait to see whether the VirtualBox owners react to my inquiry before trying again to install that. -- Best wishes, Henry H.M. Gladney, Ph.D. HMG Consulting http://home.pacbell.net/hgladney/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 06:04:53 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:04:53 +0200 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709141127.36546.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200709141713.09691.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: I am not an expert but if a drive were that unbalanced would it not be broken anyway? I like my drive suspended because it is totally quiet. The only time I can here my computer is when I render Blender3d pictures and the CPU fan cranks up. Even then it is a very soft hum. With the drive bolted to the box It would make a loud clicking noise with seeking and would drive me nuts. I think it is worth whatever small risk that may go with this to have a quiet computer. How long is it supposed to take for this failure to happen? It has already been months with no problem and very active drive use. Also the drive just sits there. It is not like it jumps about or anything. I have watched it, after I installed it. One note, after a few months the rubber stopped working and now it is just in the strings of the hair rubber things but still works. Douglas > I would think that this would increase the possibility of failure. If > somehow something were to imbalance the drive's motion, it could begin > to oscillate quite violently. Of course, it would probably end up > throwing the imbalance violently against the drive housing were it > anchored to the case. I think in this case some rubber padding is a > good thing, but a total rubber band suspension system might not be > terribly good. > > Just my $0.02. I've been building PCs for a while, and have a fairly > good feel for 'em. I wouldn't suspend it in the CD bay, but using the > rubber bands for some limited shock absorbtion in the normal HDD bays > sounds like a more sound idea, if only for fear of my kinetic runaway > theory becoming a known phenomena (I hope it doesn't, but just in > case...) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From kassube at gmx.net Sat Sep 15 06:10:33 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:10:33 +0200 Subject: KNetworkManager Stopped Working In-Reply-To: <46EAABBC.5040809@rlknight.com> References: <46EAABBC.5040809@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <200709150810.33891.kassube@gmx.net> Rick Knight wrote: > At some point in the last 2 weeks knetworkmanager stopped working. I > didn't notice until I tried to use my wireless connection at home. I > had been connected to my wired network at work and all seemed to be > working. Now knetworkmanager does not see or configure my wireless nic. > Until a couple of weeks ago it did see my wireless and my wired and > allowed me to move between them without any errors or problems. I've > found a work around using wpa_supplicant but I would like to get > knetworkmanager working again. > > I'm using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn on an HP nc 8230 Notebook PC with an > IPW2200 wireless NIC. > The wireless networks I connect to are WPA-PSK-TKIP and they work fine > except for one network that uses WEP. I cannot connect to it using > wpa_supplicant. > Also, I've lost the knetworkmanager icons in system tray. > I can think of nothing I have installed over the last couple of weeks > that might have caused this problem, but that is a possible. On my machine (Feisty with latest updates) sometimes knetworkmanager dies shortly after login to KDE (then the symbol in the tray is missing). When I start it again, it works from then on. You can start knetworkmanager from the menu: K -> Internet -> Knetworkmanager. Maybe this is a dumb question: Did you logout of KDE or even reboot your laptop? While I always switch off while the machine is not in use, others may prefer to suspend to disk. Nils From paulvarjak at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 09:16:30 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:16:30 +0200 Subject: SWIFTFOX CRASH In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709131118q7f496667ta290dac51b85c055@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860709131118q7f496667ta290dac51b85c055@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e33e3860709150216i31f45896x1a9bb6b1ea63694f@mail.gmail.com> More info, in reply to myself and as info for the rest: I discovered that swiftfox fails only when there are multiple profiles defined via firefox -ProfileManager After defining more than one profile the program crashes and it's coredumped. I think this is a SWIFTFOX bug (it doesn't happen in FIREFOX 2.0.0.6). And a bit more: It only fails when you want to choose the profile on start. If you start with: /usr/bin/swiftfox -P then it works. Bye! Paul From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 11:41:35 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:41:35 +1000 Subject: Dial up difficulties on 7.04 64bit Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I have recently installed Kubuntu 7.04 on a friends 64 bit machine. I configured KPPP for his dial up internet connection ok and after starting it I ended up with a name server address in /etc/resolv.conf. I was able to ping that address without any problems, but Konqueror could not connect to any web pages at all. The previous working system was Kubuntu 5.x and had no problems with the dial up connection. Any clues? Thanks, Bob Parker From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 11:47:00 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:47:00 +1000 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> My friends Kubuntu 64 bit system is intended to be on line on a very slow and very expensive connection at least after the 500 Mb ceiling is reached. What I want to do is to leach the rest of the available debs on a Windows box connected via cable and transfer them via however many cds are required. What is the best way to go about this? Thanks, Bob Parker From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 12:10:04 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:10:04 +0200 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am sure that there are more answers to this but I would buy a slow cheep hard drive and use that. Maybe used off ebay or whatever. Douglas On 9/15/07, Robert Parker wrote: > My friends Kubuntu 64 bit system is intended to be on line on a very > slow and very expensive connection at least after the 500 Mb ceiling > is reached. > > What I want to do is to leach the rest of the available debs on a > Windows box connected via cable and transfer them via however many cds > are required. > > What is the best way to go about this? > > Thanks, > Bob Parker > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 12:11:28 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:11:28 +0200 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Second thought, can't you just put your friends HD in your computer? Douglas From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 15 12:45:08 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:45:08 -0400 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 15 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > Second thought, can't you just put your friends HD in your computer? That would be the easy way to go, if the hardware is similar enough that it would drop right in and boot up. Put his drive in your computer, download via the package management system, and go on. Problems with this include what if the Windows box isn't 64-bit, and the inconvenience, and risk to the hardware, if this has to be done more than once in a blue moon. To leech packages with Windows and burn them to CDs, I'm not sure what the best way would be, but I can tell you what *isn't* the best way. Downloading a bunch of .deb files and trying to dpkg -i them out of some directory doesn't work well at all. You'd want to do mirrors of the repositories somehow or other, so you could produce CDs that could be used as apt sources directly. I'm not sure how I'd solve it. I think I'd start with a Windows version of wget (I think it's available as a standalone, or you can get it through Cygwin) and try grabbing a copy of the entire repository like... Well, nevermind. I tried a handful, and none of them are set up to allow for this. Hrm. I don't know what I'd do then. A lot of tedious hand work I guess. Running a Linux box without a live internet connection SUCKS. You and your friend have my sympathy, but apparently not my really good ideas. -- D. Michael McIntyre From jferrando at netplc.com Sat Sep 15 14:43:41 2007 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:43:41 +0200 Subject: Dial up difficulties on 7.04 64bit In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EBEF9D.4000808@netplc.com> Hi Robert, I was able to dial up using my vodafone 3G card and these instructions: Mario Gianni escribió: > > > Guys > > > > > > Just to let you know. I was able to configure kppp. It's much nicer > > > that wvdial. It provides for example details on the connections with > > > logs so that you know how much traffic you have done with your card ( > > > e.g. I have 600mb included every 2 months). > > > > > > It's very easy. Just open kppp and create a new modem selecting > > > /dev/ttyUSB0. Then click on configure modem and put the 2 init strings > > > above (you can only put 2 init strings so I have condensed the above > > > in 2 strings): > > > > > > Init1 = ATZE0V1&D2&C1S0=0+IFC=2,2 > > > Init2 =AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.omnitel.it "; > > > > > > You need to select None as flow control otherwise modem won't be > > > detected. Then if you query the modem you'll be able to see it. > > > > > > At the end just create an account called Vodafone to put the phone > > > number (*99***1#) and username/pwd. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your help guys. > > > Mario > Robert Parker escribió: > Hi All, > > I have recently installed Kubuntu 7.04 on a friends 64 bit machine. I > configured KPPP for his dial up internet connection ok and after > starting it I ended up with a name server address in /etc/resolv.conf. > I was able to ping that address without any problems, but Konqueror > could not connect to any web pages at all. > > The previous working system was Kubuntu 5.x and had no problems with > the dial up connection. > > Any clues? > > Thanks, > Bob Parker > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 14:59:41 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:59:41 -0600 Subject: Error message with recent dapper kernel update In-Reply-To: <46E8512C.2040409@gmail.com> References: <46E8512C.2040409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EBF35D.5050406@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 09/12/2007 02:50 PM : > Just in case this is affecting anyone else... > > After installing the most recent dapper amd64 kernel update on my dual-core > 64-bit system, I noticed that during boot time, I began to see an error > message: > MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC > > Adding the "noapic" option to the boot options removed the error message > and (at least so far) seems to have had no adverse effects. > > This is with an ASUS A8N-SLI Premium mobo. > > > Turns out that "noapic" causes a complete system freeze after burning a CD with k3b :-( So right now I don't know how to get rid of the error message without causing other catastrophic problems. From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 16:01:59 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:01:59 +0200 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: I want to point out that if Windows is giving you any trouble you can boot a live Linux CD and go from there. Also why not just bring your friends computer to this fast connection and get him all set up? Douglas From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 17:32:45 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:32:45 +0300 Subject: Cannot open KDE Component Chooser In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709120540qada9cao415b2ea02c5e52f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709120512w20648cfdhe99d107858c2cd55@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709120540qada9cao415b2ea02c5e52f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709151032x70fea847g183b469310c0e84e@mail.gmail.com> On 12/09/2007, Greg Booth wrote: > > In Kcontrol the KDE Component Chooser is missing. This was also the > > case in a previous Ubuntu install, however in that one I could simply > > open /usr/share/applications/kde/componentchooser.desktop in Konqueror > > and use it. In this install, I cannot. What can I do? Is there a file > > that I can manually edit? I need to set Thunderbird as the default > > email client. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > update-alternatives --config ????? should do it but I'm not sure what > the option is. I also had thought of that, but none of the options seemed right: ubuntu at ubuntu-laptop:~$ ls /etc/alternatives/ ControlPanel ex.it.1.gz pack200 vi.pl.1.gz README ex.it.ISO8859-1.1.gz pack200.1.gz vi.pl.ISO8859-2.1.gz aclocal ex.it.UTF-8.1.gz pager vi.pl.UTF-8.1.gz aclocal.1.gz ex.pl.1.gz pager.1.gz vi.ru.1.gz automake ex.pl.ISO8859-2.1.gz pinentry view automake.1.gz ex.pl.UTF-8.1.gz pinentry-x11 view.1.gz awk ex.ru.1.gz pinentry-x11.1.gz view.fr.1.gz awk.1.gz firefox-homepage pinentry.1.gz view.fr.ISO8859-1.1.gz btcompletedir firefox-homepage-locales policytool view.fr.UTF-8.1.gz btcompletedir.1.gz firefox-javaplugin.so policytool.1.gz view.it.1.gz btdownloadcurses ftp qmake view.it.ISO8859-1.1.gz btdownloadcurses.1.gz ftp.1.gz qmake.1.gz view.it.UTF-8.1.gz btdownloadheadless gconftool rcp view.pl.1.gz btdownloadheadless.1.gz git rcp.1.gz view.pl.ISO8859-2.1.gz btlaunchmany global-assembly-cache-tool rename view.pl.UTF-8.1.gz btlaunchmany.1.gz gnome-text-editor rename.1.gz view.ru.1.gz btlaunchmanycurses gnome-text-editor.1.gz rlogin vim btlaunchmanycurses.1.gz gnome-video-thumbnailer rlogin.1.gz vimdiff btmakemetafile gnome-www-browser rmid vncpasswd btmakemetafile.1.gz gnome-www-browser.1.gz rmid.1.gz vncpasswd.1.gz btreannounce gs rmiregistry vncviewer btreannounce.1.gz gs.1.gz rmiregistry.1.gz vncviewer.1.gz btrename iceape-javaplugin.so rmt w btrename.1.gz iceweasel-javaplugin.so rmt.8.gz w.1.gz btshowmetainfo infobrowser rsh wish btshowmetainfo.1.gz infobrowser.1.gz rsh.1.gz wish.1 bttrack irc.protocol rview write bttrack.1.gz java rvim write.1.gz builtins.7.gz java.1.gz servertool www-browser c++ java_vm servertool.1.gz www-browser.1.gz c++.1.gz javaws ssh-askpass wx.pth c89 javaws.1.gz ssh-askpass.1.gz x-cursor-theme c89.1.gz jcontrol tclsh x-session-manager c99 keytool tclsh.1 x-session-manager.1.gz c99.1.gz keytool.1.gz telnet x-terminal-emulator cc libgksu-gconf-defaults telnet.1.gz x-terminal-emulator.1.gz cc.1.gz lrelease tnameserv x-window-decorator cli lrelease.1.gz tnameserv.1.gz x-window-manager cli-gacutil.1.gz lupdate uic x-window-manager.1.gz cli.1.gz lupdate.1.gz uic.1.gz x-www-browser cpp moc unpack200 x-www-browser.1.gz designer moc.1.gz unpack200.1.gz xinput-all_ALL designer.1.gz mozilla usplash-artwork.so xinput-ja_JP desktop-splash mozilla-javaplugin.so vi xinput-ko_KR editor mozilla.1.gz vi.1.gz xinput-zh_CN editor.1.gz mt vi.fr.1.gz xinput-zh_HK ex mt.1.gz vi.fr.ISO8859-1.1.gz xinput-zh_SG ex.1.gz nawk vi.fr.UTF-8.1.gz xinput-zh_TW ex.fr.1.gz nawk.1.gz vi.it.1.gz xvncviewer ex.fr.ISO8859-1.1.gz orbd vi.it.ISO8859-1.1.gz xvncviewer.1.gz ex.fr.UTF-8.1.gz orbd.1.gz vi.it.UTF-8.1.gz Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 17:33:11 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:33:11 +0300 Subject: Cannot open KDE Component Chooser In-Reply-To: <871wd3kjnk.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <880dece00709120512w20648cfdhe99d107858c2cd55@mail.gmail.com> <871wd3kjnk.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <880dece00709151033y13c57da2l4a9ca550ec45a5bf@mail.gmail.com> On 12/09/2007, John L Fjellstad wrote: > "Dotan Cohen" writes: > > > In Kcontrol the KDE Component Chooser is missing. This was also the > > case in a previous Ubuntu install, however in that one I could simply > > open /usr/share/applications/kde/componentchooser.desktop in Konqueror > > and use it. In this install, I cannot. What can I do? Is there a file > > that I can manually edit? I need to set Thunderbird as the default > > email client. > > System Settings->Default Applications > There it is! Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From alencar at paulofreire.org Sat Sep 15 17:51:10 2007 From: alencar at paulofreire.org (Anderson Fernandes de Alencar) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:51:10 -0300 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <1683416023-1189635373-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174142108-@bxe120.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <46EC1B8E.6090907@paulofreire.org> Hi Knapp! Hi, everyone! Could you tell us how you managed to make it work? I have the same card and it's giving me "kernel panic". Thanks, Alencar (Instituto Paulo Freire - Brazil) Knapp escreveu: > I am running an Nvidia Geforce 7600 gs. I run it with it's fan > unplugged and with the Nvidia made driver. It has a heat monitor and > even running 3d aps the hottest it gets is one line into the yellow. I > have been doing this for one year with no problems. In the beginning I > was going to put a resistor in the fan to slow it down to a quiet > level but never got to it. > > I also mounted the HDs in the CD bays with hair rubber bands so they > make almost no noise. > Then For the DVD player I use a little program,"setcd -x 1", to run it > at speed 1x when watching movies. > > Douglas > > From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 18:26:16 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:26:16 +0200 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <46EC1B8E.6090907@paulofreire.org> References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <1683416023-1189635373-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174142108-@bxe120.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <46EC1B8E.6090907@paulofreire.org> Message-ID: You might not like the answer but I just used automatix and installed the nvidia driver. On the other hand I have never had any problems with Nvidia's driver installs from Nvidia. I am just lazy. :-} I am running amd64 x2 maybe that makes a difference? Good luck. Douglas From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 19:53:01 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (msmarti58) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:53:01 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu Message-ID: I am completely new to Linux, and following PC Magazine's tips, installed Ubuntu with no problems. However, I was curious about Kubuntu, so I deleted Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could not mount my other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up automatically on my desktop. I just wondered what the difference is. I won't be using Kubuntu, it's too complicated for me. I am strictly a Windows user, for the most part. I don't know how to do things in the command window or any of that. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 15 20:09:27 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:09:27 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 15 September 2007, msmarti58 wrote: > I just wondered what the difference is. Ubuntu decided to standardize on GNOME as their desktop environment. Kubuntu was started to provide KDE packages that install onto an Ubuntu system, and thus make Ubuntu usable for those of us who love KDE. The default desktop environment is the *only* difference between the two distros. You can install KDE on a stock Ubuntu system, or you can install GNOME on a stock Kubuntu system (or you can even install the Kubuntu packages on top of an Ubuntu Studio system.) Everything else is the same. They share the same base of packages. If you installed the same version of each one (eg. Ubuntu Feisty vs. Kubuntu Feisty) then you should have had the same results with both. Any difference you experienced is most likely due to something you did differently yourself, without being aware of it. -- D. Michael McIntyre From manchicken at notsosoft.net Sat Sep 15 20:58:17 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:58:17 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709151558.17271.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Saturday 15 September 2007 15:09:27 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 15 September 2007, msmarti58 wrote: > > I just wondered what the difference is. > > Ubuntu decided to standardize on GNOME as their desktop environment. > Kubuntu was started to provide KDE packages that install onto an Ubuntu > system, and thus make Ubuntu usable for those of us who love KDE. > > The default desktop environment is the *only* difference between the two > distros. You can install KDE on a stock Ubuntu system, or you can install > GNOME on a stock Kubuntu system (or you can even install the Kubuntu > packages on top of an Ubuntu Studio system.) Everything else is the same. > They share the same base of packages. If you installed the same version of > each one (eg. Ubuntu Feisty vs. Kubuntu Feisty) then you should have had > the same results with both. Any difference you experienced is most likely > due to something you did differently yourself, without being aware of it. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre Well said. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 15 21:12:56 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:12:56 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> msmarti58 wrote: > I am completely new to Linux, and following PC Magazine’s tips, > installed Ubuntu with no problems. However, I was curious about Kubuntu, > so I deleted Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could > not mount my other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up > automatically on my desktop. I just wondered what the difference is. I > won’t be using Kubuntu, it’s too complicated for me. I am strictly a > Windows user, for the most part. I don’t know how to do things in the > command window or any of that. > > > > Thanks! > I've been a Linux user for a couple years. However I've only been using Kubuntu for about a month. One of the main reasons I wouldn't use Ubuntu before was the Gnome desktop. I can't tell anyone why I don't like it, I just don't. I DO like Kubuntu and am very happy with it. Marti, I would suggest that you stick around the list here. Dual boot your computer with Windows and (K)Ubuntu. [ Personally I would recommend Kubuntu - but that's just my personal opinion ] Play with (K)Ubuntu whenever you have a little extra time. Reading the list will give you insights on how to do things and where things are located. In a short time you will find that you do less and less in Windows. AND, most importantly, ask questions. Not everything has to be done with CLI. In fact I am NOT a CLI user. I "can" if someone posts the command to use by "Copy" and "Paste" method. I have found there is VERY little that you can't do with the graphical interface. If I could find replacements for a couple pieces of Windows software in Linux I would probably never use Windows again. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From harold_hartley at verizon.net Sat Sep 15 23:12:01 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:12:01 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46EC66C1.60305@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > msmarti58 wrote: >> I am completely new to Linux, and following PC Magazine’s tips, >> installed Ubuntu with no problems. However, I was curious about Kubuntu, >> so I deleted Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could >> not mount my other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up >> automatically on my desktop. I just wondered what the difference is. I >> won’t be using Kubuntu, it’s too complicated for me. I am strictly a >> Windows user, for the most part. I don’t know how to do things in the >> command window or any of that. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> > > I've been a Linux user for a couple years. However I've only been using > Kubuntu for about a month. One of the main reasons I wouldn't use Ubuntu > before was the Gnome desktop. I can't tell anyone why I don't like it, I > just don't. I DO like Kubuntu and am very happy with it. > > Marti, > > I would suggest that you stick around the list here. Dual boot your > computer with Windows and (K)Ubuntu. [ Personally I would recommend > Kubuntu - but that's just my personal opinion ] Play with (K)Ubuntu > whenever you have a little extra time. Reading the list will give you > insights on how to do things and where things are located. In a short > time you will find that you do less and less in Windows. AND, most > importantly, ask questions. > > Not everything has to be done with CLI. In fact I am NOT a CLI user. I > "can" if someone posts the command to use by "Copy" and "Paste" method. > I have found there is VERY little that you can't do with the graphical > interface. > > If I could find replacements for a couple pieces of Windows software in > Linux I would probably never use Windows again. > I thought the same thing about gnome and after trying gnome just once, I found it to be very complete and better organized and automatically installed the modules that was needed when using a web site... I never went back to kde after my use of gnome... Harold From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 16 00:36:40 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:36:40 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EC66C1.60305@verizon.net> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <46EC66C1.60305@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46EC7A98.4020502@swbell.net> On 09/15/2007 Harold Hartley wrote: > I thought the same thing about gnome and after trying gnome just > once, I > found it to be very complete and better organized and automatically > installed the modules that was needed when using a web site... > I never went back to kde after my use of gnome... > > Harold I've loaded Ubuntu (Gnome) a couple times. When I first started messing around with Linux [ SuSE 9.* ] I loaded both desktops and tried both for a while. As I have said before, I can't tell you why but I just don't care for Gnome. I find KDE to be much more comfortable, at least for me. I guess it's sort of like the reason they make both Fords and Chevy's. Some like one and some like the other. I like KDE and you like Gnome. And do you know the best part? We're both right. We both use the best desktop. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 03:54:33 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (msmarti58) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:54:33 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: >Ubuntu decided to standardize on GNOME as their desktop environment. Yes, I realize that, but they must have some other differences, since GNOME found my other disc drives right away, and KDE did not. I still have not found a way to make Kubuntu recognize those. Without it recognizing those other drives, it is useless to me, because those are where all my other files are, songs, documents, whatnot. I have three hard drives. One has Windows Vista on it, and is 300 gig, my old 40 gig hard drive I installed Ubuntu on to check it out, and the other 500 gig is an external network share for storage only between me and the rest of the family, no operating system. >If you installed the same version of each one (eg. Ubuntu Feisty vs. Kubuntu Feisty) then you should have had the same results with both. Any difference you experienced is most likely due to something you did differently yourself, without being aware of it. Now, you might have something there, I'm not sure which versions I put on of each one. I can't look right now, I am in Vista. But still, if it was so simple in GNOME to locate and mount my other hard drives, then I think KDE should have found them too. I did nothing differently that I know of. I did a clean install and specified that it write over the existing 40 gig hard drive. Now my main question really is (since I DO like the KDE interface), HOW do I make it see my other drives? They are NTFS drives. Well, actually it DOES see them, but it says something odd like I don't have proper permission to open them. It says I have to have root permission, and I don't know what that is. I have set myself up to be administrator. I have done some reading on it but it was WAYYY over my head. If it's too hard to describe here, can someone point me to a place where it tells me what to do step by step for newbies like me please? :) Marti From vineeth.chandran at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 04:26:31 2007 From: vineeth.chandran at gmail.com (vineeth.chandran at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:56:31 +0530 Subject: netgear wi-fi Message-ID: <63676fdd0709152126l14a73d8bu1ef5e8d75dc9d4b6@mail.gmail.com> Hi I have an Kubuntu 6.05 installed on my system. I want to know how to get the drivers for the usb netgear wi-fi stuff.I heard there is ndiswrapper which can be used? any idea does kubuntu support ndiswrapper? -- Vineeth Saraschandran Embedded software Developer Eaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 06:26:42 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:26:42 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00709152326n355e30d0ibbc1c80a36fe4e86@mail.gmail.com> On 16/09/2007, Billie Walsh wrote: > If I could find replacements for a couple pieces of Windows software in > Linux I would probably never use Windows again. What software? Have you contacted the vendors about a Linux version? They will never make one if we don't show interest, you know. As for KDE, it does take some tweaking, but I find it much more usable than Gnome. That's my personal preference. I usually install Ubuntu, and then add kde-base. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 07:08:47 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:08:47 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709160008i4478bee2ub8275f780718e878@mail.gmail.com> On 9/15/07, msmarti58 wrote: > >Ubuntu decided to standardize on GNOME as their desktop environment. > > Yes, I realize that, but they must have some other differences, since GNOME > found my other disc drives right away, and KDE did not. I still have not > found a way to make Kubuntu recognize those. Without it recognizing those > other drives, it is useless to me, because those are where all my other > files are, songs, documents, whatnot. I have three hard drives. One has > Windows Vista on it, and is 300 gig, my old 40 gig hard drive I installed > Ubuntu on to check it out, and the other 500 gig is an external network > share for storage only between me and the rest of the family, no operating > system. > > >If you installed the same version of each one (eg. Ubuntu Feisty vs. > Kubuntu Feisty) then you should have had the same results with both. Any > difference you experienced is most likely due to something you did > differently yourself, without being aware of it. > > Now, you might have something there, I'm not sure which versions I put on of > each one. I can't look right now, I am in Vista. But still, if it was so > simple in GNOME to locate and mount my other hard drives, then I think KDE > should have found them too. I did nothing differently that I know of. I did > a clean install and specified that it write over the existing 40 gig hard > drive. > > Now my main question really is (since I DO like the KDE interface), HOW do I > make it see my other drives? They are NTFS drives. Well, actually it DOES > see them, but it says something odd like I don't have proper permission to > open them. It says I have to have root permission, and I don't know what > that is. I have set myself up to be administrator. I have done some reading > on it but it was WAYYY over my head. If it's too hard to describe here, can > someone point me to a place where it tells me what to do step by step for > newbies like me please? :) > > Marti I am assuming that you can see the drives on your desktop or in /media. If it won't let you open the drives because it is set up for root access, try right-clicking and checking out the file permissions by clicking on properties or some such. If it won't let you change the file permissions, I am not sure of a newbie friendly (read: non command line) way to change that but someone else here might be able to help. A little bit about root: There is a user account on every linux system that is called root. This is the "god" of the system and can do anything that it wants to whether it is fixing or destroying it. In some linux distributions, you will set up a password for the root account and use that password to make changes to the system, but not in (k)ubuntu. In (k)ubuntu, there is a root account, but no one is allowed to log in as root and there is no password for root (as in the password doesn't exist, not that it is an empty string -> ""). (K)ubuntu users should do everything using their password to their account, not root's. Hope this helps, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 07:34:23 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:34:23 +0200 Subject: Error message with recent dapper kernel update In-Reply-To: <46EBF35D.5050406@gmail.com> References: <46E8512C.2040409@gmail.com> <46EBF35D.5050406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709160934.23997.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On 15/9/2007, D. R. Evans wrote: > So right now I don't know how to get rid of the error message without > causing other catastrophic problems. I've got that error on my desktop PC. I just let it be and all's well. I've got a couple of other errors here on my laptop. Using the same policy as above works. ;-) Now I don't know if that's the right way to go about it, but no harm's done apparently. -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 08:19:37 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:19:37 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709161019.37674.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On 16/9/2007, msmarti58 wrote: > But still, if it was so > simple in GNOME to locate and mount my other hard drives, then I think KDE > should have found them too. I have no problem in seeing ntfs drives in both Ubuntu and Kubuntu. You're right in the sense that, although the base is the same, the two desktop have different ways of going about. If production is not the issue here, I would advise you to download and try the very new next release, gutsy, still not even beta, but,I feel, quite stable. Get tha very last daily and you won't need to update so much. It has many things included by default and nfts support is one of them. By default on installation, K/ubuntus mount any found ntfs drive in /media/nameofyourwindisk. That's where you'll find them in kubuntu most likely, whereas in ubuntu they'll show linked on your desktop. I do prefer kubuntu, but I don't dislike gnome. I use them both. Only I feel kubuntu is a bit more... user friendly and has good dedicated programs, amarok to just name one. Just one more thing. Something unpleasant happened while I installed ubuntu on my desktop where I still have a partition with winxp. The boot manager didn't see winxp and I had to fiddle a tiny bit to make thing work as expected. What I mean is, if something like that happens, don't panic: there's an easy solution. -- lanzen From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 08:53:39 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:53:39 +1000 Subject: Dial up difficulties on 7.04 64bit In-Reply-To: <46EBEF9D.4000808@netplc.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> <46EBEF9D.4000808@netplc.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709160153j5d2bae6dt1d313a1fecf8bd72@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 9/16/07, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > > Hi Robert, > I was able to dial up using my vodafone 3G card and these instructions: kppp was never the problem. I am able to connect because I can ping the nameserver. The problem is being able to access web pages in Konqueror. Cheers, Bob From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Sep 16 10:53:03 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:53:03 +0100 Subject: netgear wi-fi In-Reply-To: <63676fdd0709152126l14a73d8bu1ef5e8d75dc9d4b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <63676fdd0709152126l14a73d8bu1ef5e8d75dc9d4b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070916115303.21b79c65@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:56:31 +0530 vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > I have an Kubuntu 6.05 installed on my system. I want to know how to > get the drivers for the usb netgear wi-fi stuff.I heard there is > ndiswrapper which can be used? any idea does kubuntu support > ndiswrapper? [snipped] First to the easy part of your question: yes, Kubuntu does support ndiswrapper. However, this may not be what you need. Is the usb wi-fi "stuff" a usb dongle? Or a usb modem? If it is a usb dongle, it *should* work as a a usb device, and any version of the kernel beyond 2.4.x will support it. However, I have heard of some usb wi-fi dongles which search for elements of the Windows operating system before activating (much like winmodems). You have not specified the hardware for which you want drivers so its impossible to say whether this is the case. For what its worth, I have found the TP-Link TL-WN321G dongle (or as they refer to it "wireless usb adaptor") to work well with a TP-Link TL-WR541G wireless router *and* a D-Link DI514 router, but only when there is no other wireless PCI adapter installed, there is no wired connection to the router through the NIC card, and there is "line of sight" between the dongle and the router. This has been confirmed under both Kubuntu and Mepis distros. I noticed, however, that the signal strength from my TP-Link router was not very high when tested on my wife's PowerMac G4 in another room, until I built a home made parabola for the antenna (with the help of some of the very helpful people on the list) and raised the router on top of a wardrobe. The point I am making is that your dongle might not be working due to factors other than the lack of software. Modems that are connected via the usb port are a different matter, and I would have to know the precise details of your wi-fi set-up before I could hazard a guess. - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG7QskthMHx1h/UZYRAsWwAJ9WiikMyraBtCqwqODgCiYOfgv3AwCfRm1e QeLrVf4Uow6xrhxH+Yh4a1g= =8Fns -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 12:49:38 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:49:38 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 15 September 2007 10:54:33 pm msmarti58 wrote: > >Ubuntu decided to standardize on GNOME as their desktop environment. > > Yes, I realize that, but they must have some other differences, since GNOME > found my other disc drives right away, and KDE did not. I still have not > found a way to make Kubuntu recognize those. Without it recognizing those > other drives, it is useless to me, because those are where all my other > files are, songs, documents, whatnot. I have three hard drives. One has > Windows Vista on it, and is 300 gig, my old 40 gig hard drive I installed > Ubuntu on to check it out, and the other 500 gig is an external network > share for storage only between me and the rest of the family, no operating > system. > > >If you installed the same version of each one (eg. Ubuntu Feisty vs. > > Kubuntu Feisty) then you should have had the same results with both. Any > difference you experienced is most likely due to something you did > differently yourself, without being aware of it. > > Now, you might have something there, I'm not sure which versions I put on > of each one. I can't look right now, I am in Vista. But still, if it was so > simple in GNOME to locate and mount my other hard drives, then I think KDE > should have found them too. I did nothing differently that I know of. I did > a clean install and specified that it write over the existing 40 gig hard > drive. > > Now my main question really is (since I DO like the KDE interface), HOW do > I make it see my other drives? They are NTFS drives. Well, actually it DOES > see them, but it says something odd like I don't have proper permission to > open them. It says I have to have root permission, and I don't know what > that is. I have set myself up to be administrator. I have done some reading > on it but it was WAYYY over my head. If it's too hard to describe here, can > someone point me to a place where it tells me what to do step by step for > newbies like me please? :) > > Marti Do this: 1 Install Ubuntu Plain, and play around with it. Get comfortable with the Linux way of doing things, and how it all fits together. What I sense in your messages is a lack of comfort, or as we say, there are no warm and fuzzies. 2. Once you have a handle on what's going on, or just realize you don't like Gnome (like the rest of us here), install the KDE packages from "synaptic" (which should install by default on Ubuntu). You can do this by command line, or synaptic, but the main package you want to start with is, "kubuntu-desktop" or "kde" and "kde-core" (these should get you the KDE desktop environment. In Synaptic click on the "Search" menu option at the top and type "kde" or "kubuntu" and hit enter and you'll find them in the lists that (finally) come up. There are literally thousands of applications, and utilities that are installable, so it can take a moment or two for the search to come back.. However, Overall I'd say once you get things Rolling with Linux, you'll soon want to kiss (or smack) Windows Goodbye! I keep it on my machines that are under warranty so I don't have to argue with the support people. The only reason I boot it up these days is to patch it. :-D -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sun Sep 16 12:55:14 2007 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:55:14 +0200 Subject: gtk font hinting - where to set? Message-ID: <200709161455.15034.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> How do change the font hinting settings for gtk2 apps in Kubuntu? The kcontrol settings don't affect gtk2 regarding hinting. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.stop1984.com http://www.againsttcpa.com From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 16 14:06:52 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:06:52 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: msmarti58 wrote: >>If you installed the same version of each one (eg. Ubuntu Feisty vs. >> Kubuntu Feisty) then you should have had the same results with both. Any >> difference you experienced is most likely due to something you did >> differently yourself, without being aware of it. > > Now, you might have something there, I'm not sure which versions I put on > of each one. I can't look right now, I am in Vista. But still, if it was > so simple in GNOME to locate and mount my other hard drives, then I think > KDE should have found them too. KDE & Gnome _don't_ generally find your fixed drives (USB connected drives are another matter). The fixed drives are listed in /etc/fstab and I guarantee the same version of Ubuntu & Kubuntu will find the same ones. afaik, the installer is identical (it makes no sense to use different ones) so the /etc/fstab should be identical. That said, if you have a valid Gnome desktop and would prefer KDE, do: # sudo aptitude install kde-desktop If you like the results, # sudo aptitude purge gnome-desktop -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 16 14:55:54 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:55:54 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00709152326n355e30d0ibbc1c80a36fe4e86@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <880dece00709152326n355e30d0ibbc1c80a36fe4e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ED43FA.4040609@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 16/09/2007, Billie Walsh wrote: >> If I could find replacements for a couple pieces of Windows software in >> Linux I would probably never use Windows again. > > What software? Have you contacted the vendors about a Linux version? > They will never make one if we don't show interest, you know. > > As for KDE, it does take some tweaking, but I find it much more usable > than Gnome. That's my personal preference. I usually install Ubuntu, > and then add kde-base. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת Well...........considering one of the pieces of software is from Microsoft I rather doubt they are interested in a Linux version. I need Microsoft Streets and Trips [ Yes, I've tried Delorme and Rand McNally and they don't work near as well ]. Well, really what I need good is mapping and routing software that is completely self contained on my computer [ Leaving Google and other online mapping software out ]. We do some storm chasing and having mapping running on one laptop with GPS support could be a life saver. The other piece is GRLevel3. It is a very near real time [ one or two seconds delay ] radar watching program that allows us to connect to virtually any weather service radar site in the country. It also supports GPS so we know exactly where we are in relation to any storm around. The GRLevel3 runs on a desktop in the back of the van which connects to the internet through a broadband card. My laptop is in the front, with me, connected either wireless or wired to the router in the back. In an emergency communications configuration we can supply connectivity to several other laptops as well as radio communications on multiple bands. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 15:30:59 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:30:59 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46ED43FA.4040609@swbell.net> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <880dece00709152326n355e30d0ibbc1c80a36fe4e86@mail.gmail.com> <46ED43FA.4040609@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> On 16/09/2007, Billie Walsh wrote: > Well...........considering one of the pieces of software is from > Microsoft I rather doubt they are interested in a Linux version. I need > Microsoft Streets and Trips [ Yes, I've tried Delorme and Rand McNally > and they don't work near as well ]. Well, really what I need good is > mapping and routing software that is completely self contained on my > computer [ Leaving Google and other online mapping software out ]. We do > some storm chasing and having mapping running on one laptop with GPS > support could be a life saver. Streets and Trips runs in Wine, but only at bronze: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3962&iTestingId=902 You could run it in a VMWare virtual machine. > The other piece is GRLevel3. It is a very near real time [ one or two > seconds delay ] radar watching program that allows us to connect to > virtually any weather service radar site in the country. It also > supports GPS so we know exactly where we are in relation to any storm > around. > > The GRLevel3 runs on a desktop in the back of the van which connects to > the internet through a broadband card. My laptop is in the front, with > me, connected either wireless or wired to the router in the back. In an > emergency communications configuration we can supply connectivity to > several other laptops as well as radio communications on multiple bands. That's real geek software. I'm near certain that the company that makes it would be interested in a Linux version. Contact them. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jferrando at netplc.com Sun Sep 16 15:37:02 2007 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:37:02 +0200 Subject: Dial up difficulties on 7.04 64bit In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340709160153j5d2bae6dt1d313a1fecf8bd72@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> <46EBEF9D.4000808@netplc.com> <8f6eb7340709160153j5d2bae6dt1d313a1fecf8bd72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ED4D9E.6010604@netplc.com> Ok Robert, There are two things regarding this: 1) Check $ cat /etc/resolv.conf Should contain the IP Addresses of the DNS servers. They should have been assigned automatically by kppp 2) What about the routes? $ route print ... Should see the routes 3) Set the default route: $ sudo route add default ppp0 (or whatever interface kppp assigns) If you want to remove the previous default interface (ex. eth0) $ sudo route del default eth0 I am writing it from my memory, the syntax can contain errors. Good luck. Robert Parker escribió: > Hi, > > On 9/16/07, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > >> Hi Robert, >> I was able to dial up using my vodafone 3G card and these instructions: >> > > kppp was never the problem. I am able to connect because I can ping > the nameserver. The problem is being able to access web pages in > Konqueror. > > Cheers, > Bob > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 16 15:56:16 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:56:16 -0500 Subject: netgear wi-fi In-Reply-To: <20070916115303.21b79c65@graham-desktop> References: <63676fdd0709152126l14a73d8bu1ef5e8d75dc9d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <20070916115303.21b79c65@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <46ED5220.4080109@swbell.net> If your having connectivity problems, low signal strength etc, and have a Linksys router, and possibly others, go to www.dd-wrt.com and check out their router software upgrades. We use it with our Linksys routers and LOVE it. We usually run our routers at about 125mW where factory standard is about 60mW output. It's possible to jack them up to 250mW but don't recommend it for long term use. Could blow out the finals Another thing that can cause problems is a cordless phone, or any other wireless stuff that uses the 2.4GHz band. We moved up to 5.8GHz cordless phones and stopped a lot of problems. If you live in an apartment complex, or close packed housing addition, your neighbors networks can cause loads of problems. Try moving to another channel. BUT, channels are VERY limited so................. In some instances about the only other choice is to convert your house into a Faraday Cage. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From ralph at ralphalvy.com Sun Sep 16 16:00:06 2007 From: ralph at ralphalvy.com (Ralph Alvy) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:00:06 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:53:01 -0700, msmarti58 wrote: > installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could not mount my > other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up automatically on my > desktop. Have you made sure you checked this page in the KDE Desktop Configuration: RightClick on Desktop Configure Desktop Behavior Device Icons From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Sep 16 16:33:14 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:33:14 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 16 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > KDE & Gnome _don't_ generally find your fixed drives (USB connected drives > are another matter). The fixed drives are listed in /etc/fstab and I > guarantee the same version of Ubuntu & Kubuntu will find the same ones. This is what I was getting at with my own assessment as well. I assumed the bits he wasn't seeing via Kubuntu should be in the category of stuff the installer would put into fstab, so it should be desktop-neutral. Now that I re-read and realize he said "NTFS" instead of "NFS" (I didn't think his perspective through, and I switched away from Windows before NTFS was common) I'm thinking it's probably something different at the desktop level, and the user is finding the GNOME way more intuitive for this. GNOME and KDE really are quite different, and maybe this issue really is a userland problem after all. It sounds like maybe the GNOME way of doing whatever this user is trying to do is more intuitive to him. I can't really understand the underlying issue, since I don't have any NTFS partitions, and seldom use graphical file browsers for anything. I'm afraid I can't relate well enough to be of further use. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Sep 16 16:42:36 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:42:36 -0400 Subject: Error message with recent dapper kernel update In-Reply-To: <200709160934.23997.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <46E8512C.2040409@gmail.com> <46EBF35D.5050406@gmail.com> <200709160934.23997.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709161242.36964.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 16 September 2007, lanzen wrote: > I've got a couple of other errors here on my laptop. Using the same policy > as above works. ;-) On this subject, I keep forgetting about this one. I get these: [2051091.046935] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) [2051111.879316] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) [2051158.127504] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) [2051163.383768] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) Perpetually. Pages and pages and pages of them. I looked into it once, and changed something to try to make them go away, but it apparently didn't work. Anyway, it seems to be a symptomless problem. Something isn't quite right, but everything I do with my computer works fine. Except logging out of KDE, actually. Logging out causes a hard freeze, but I think that's the damn ATI drivers. Maybe they're related, maybe not. I guess the bottom line is that things like this are probably best solved by buying a new computer, and not by spending hours wading through pages and pages of arcane kernel hacker gobbledegook in a futile effort to fix a problem whose nature is only comprehensible to total freaks. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 16 17:39:32 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:39:32 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <880dece00709152326n355e30d0ibbc1c80a36fe4e86@mail.gmail.com> <46ED43FA.4040609@swbell.net> <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> On 09/16/2007 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Streets and Trips runs in Wine, but only at bronze: > http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3962&iTestingId=902 > > You could run it in a VMWare virtual machine. I've never found anything to work to good with wine. Except maybe some mixed fruit or Seven Up, but that's a whole other story. Seriously, I've tried to get some things to work with wine but without much success. That was in another distro though. I notice that wine seems to be better integrated into Kubuntu than that other one. Perhaps I will try it again. As for vmware, well, I've never given it to much thought. I don't particularly want to run Windows in Linux. If I wanted to run Windows I would just run it. > That's real geek software. I'm near certain that the company that > makes it would be interested in a Linux version. Contact them. If by "geek software" you mean "special interest software", that it is. BUT, if your out storm chasing/watching in tornado alley it comes in REAL handy. It's ok to chase tornado's but you sure don't want to catch one by the tail. The only way I ever want to catch one is on video. Weather Channel pays pretty good for some good video. I wrote and asked if they, more like "he", had ever considered a Linux version. [ It appears that it is a one man operation. ] It says it requires "directx" to work. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Sep 16 17:50:53 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:50:53 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 16 September 2007, Billie Walsh wrote: > seems to be better integrated into Kubuntu than that other one. Perhaps > I will try it again. I've never found anything but disappointment with WINE myself, so if you never get it to do anything interesting, you're in good company. > If by "geek software" you mean "special interest software", that it is. Around here, we mean geek in a GOOD way. > I wrote and asked if they, more like "he", had ever considered a Linux > version. [ It appears that it is a one man operation. ] It says it > requires "directx" to work. I wonder if he could switch to OpenGL? That works on all platforms. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Sep 16 18:13:46 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:13:46 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709161413.46915.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 16 September 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I wonder if he could switch to OpenGL? That works on all platforms. Oh, and, just for the record, if you ask, and get laughed at, you're in good company there too. I don't actually share any of Dotan's optimism about getting people to change the world. I gave up on this years ago, after too many "We might think about supporting Linux sometime after 9743" or no responses at all. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 16 18:58:37 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:58:37 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46ED7CDD.6050206@swbell.net> On 09/16/2007 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I've never found anything but disappointment with WINE myself, so if > you never > get it to do anything interesting, you're in good company. Well, it looked like it might install but so far I can't see anything happening. It's been about twenty to thirty minutes. The last program I tried to install in wine was, I thought, a no-brainer. It is an OLD Win3.1 app that doesn't require much of anything except copy the files to a folder and run it. I've used it with every version up to XP without any problems. It wouldn't work. I'm not holding my breath on Streets and Trips. > Oh, and, just for the record, if you ask, and get laughed at, you're in good > company there too. I don't actually share any of Dotan's optimism about > getting people to change the world. I gave up on this years ago, after too > many "We might think about supporting Linux sometime after 9743" or no > responses at all. I figure it never hurts to ask. About the worst they can say is "F____ Off!" Several times I have pointed out that this website or that one doesn't work well with Firefox and/or Linux. Often I get a polite reply. At worst I hear nothing back. If "they" don't know "we" are out here why would they even consider it. The more times it gets brought to their attention the better. Especially if enough people that MIGHT spend some money with them complain. It's all about the $$$$$ and self interest. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From harold_hartley at verizon.net Sun Sep 16 19:14:58 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:14:58 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46ED7CDD.6050206@swbell.net> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46ED7CDD.6050206@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46ED80B2.40404@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/16/2007 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >> I've never found anything but disappointment with WINE myself, so if >> you never >> get it to do anything interesting, you're in good company. >> > > Well, it looked like it might install but so far I can't see anything > happening. It's been about twenty to thirty minutes. > > The last program I tried to install in wine was, I thought, a > no-brainer. It is an OLD Win3.1 app that doesn't require much of > anything except copy the files to a folder and run it. I've used it with > every version up to XP without any problems. It wouldn't work. I'm not > holding my breath on Streets and Trips. > > >> Oh, and, just for the record, if you ask, and get laughed at, you're in good >> company there too. I don't actually share any of Dotan's optimism about >> getting people to change the world. I gave up on this years ago, after too >> many "We might think about supporting Linux sometime after 9743" or no >> responses at all. >> > > I figure it never hurts to ask. About the worst they can say is "F____ > Off!" Several times I have pointed out that this website or that one > doesn't work well with Firefox and/or Linux. Often I get a polite reply. > At worst I hear nothing back. > > If "they" don't know "we" are out here why would they even consider it. > The more times it gets brought to their attention the better. Especially > if enough people that MIGHT spend some money with them complain. It's > all about the $$$$$ and self interest. > > Windows 3.1 won't install in wine as I have tried it myself.. The choices of support you have for apps pretty much anything between windows 95 to windowsXP. But not all apps or programs will run under wine... Have you tried VMware or VirtualBox to see how that works... Harold From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 19:26:05 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:26:05 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <880dece00709152326n355e30d0ibbc1c80a36fe4e86@mail.gmail.com> <46ED43FA.4040609@swbell.net> <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00709161226p28cac903k514e26e39e4b9b6a@mail.gmail.com> On 16/09/2007, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/16/2007 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Streets and Trips runs in Wine, but only at bronze: > > http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3962&iTestingId=902 > > > > You could run it in a VMWare virtual machine. > > I've never found anything to work to good with wine. Except maybe some > mixed fruit or Seven Up, but that's a whole other story. IE4Linux actually runs pretty well, as do most of the older pre-SP2 apps. Some stuff runs faster under Linux + Wine than under Windows + AntiVirus + Firewall + AntiSpyware + AntiSomethingElse. > Seriously, I've tried to get some things to work with wine but without > much success. That was in another distro though. I notice that wine > seems to be better integrated into Kubuntu than that other one. Perhaps > I will try it again. > > As for vmware, well, I've never given it to much thought. I don't > particularly want to run Windows in Linux. If I wanted to run Windows I > would just run it. If there's only one app open, then yes, that would make more sense! For my own use (testing websites in IE, for instance) VMWare running in another window is amazing. > > That's real geek software. I'm near certain that the company that > > makes it would be interested in a Linux version. Contact them. > > If by "geek software" you mean "special interest software", that it is. Yep, that's what I meant. It's not going to appeal to the myspace crowd :) > BUT, if your out storm chasing/watching in tornado alley it comes in > REAL handy. It's ok to chase tornado's but you sure don't want to catch > one by the tail. The only way I ever want to catch one is on video. > Weather Channel pays pretty good for some good video. > > I wrote and asked if they, more like "he", had ever considered a Linux > version. [ It appears that it is a one man operation. ] It says it > requires "directx" to work. He would have to port it to OpenGL, then. Not a big deal, but I doubt that he would do it for one customer. Let him know that people (you, at least) are interested in a Linux version, so that the next milestone release can be OpenGL. Not only would it be cross-platform then, but more secure and future-proof as well. I really cannot imagine why anyone (other than some extreme games) would use DirectX over OpenGL these days. Even Google Earth has an OpenGL port, and it's more stable than the DirectX version by far. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 19:30:26 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:30:26 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709161413.46915.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709161413.46915.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709161230m4fd7c623m73ab7b94335c9036@mail.gmail.com> On 16/09/2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > I wonder if he could switch to OpenGL? That works on all platforms. > > Oh, and, just for the record, if you ask, and get laughed at, you're in good > company there too. I don't actually share any of Dotan's optimism about > getting people to change the world. I gave up on this years ago, after too > many "We might think about supporting Linux sometime after 9743" or no > responses at all. Hehehe. I've actually had quite a bit of success turning people onto F/LOSS software. From both ends: programmers and end users. Just two weeks ago I installed Ubuntu on a friend's machine. When she found out it's "Linux" she got mad. I tell people (only if they ask) that it's Linux-based, not "Linux". "Linux" has a name for being difficult to use. Ubuntu is quite the opposite (with KDE, at least). Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From harold_hartley at verizon.net Sun Sep 16 19:36:50 2007 From: harold_hartley at verizon.net (Harold Hartley) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:36:50 -0400 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46ED85D2.8000800@verizon.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2007 Michael Bach (gmx) wrote: > > Yikes! I had forgotten about the openwrt thing. By all means if you are > running a Linksys install the new software to it. It makes a monster > machine out of them. We've got two running and they kick booty. [ Don't > tell anyone I told you but you can crank them babies up to about a > quarter watt output for some real WIFI connectivity. Don't recommend it > for long term use but............... We run ours at about 100/125mW. ] > Billy, what did you use for equipment to determine how much power output is running so you don't go over board with the power. I had to look back at this old thread to see who had done this as I noticed that my wireless only reaches 120 feet and I need to be able to reach another 60 - 70 feet more. I just don't want to try adjusting the power output without the right tools to gain the coverage I need... Harold From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 16 19:59:38 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:59:38 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: >> KDE & Gnome _don't_ generally find your fixed drives (USB connected >> drives >> are another matter). The fixed drives are listed in /etc/fstab and I >> guarantee the same version of Ubuntu & Kubuntu will find the same ones. > > This is what I was getting at with my own assessment as well. I assumed > the bits he wasn't seeing via Kubuntu should be in the category of stuff > the installer would put into fstab, so it should be desktop-neutral. > > Now that I re-read and realize he said "NTFS" instead of "NFS" (I didn't > think his perspective through, and I switched away from Windows before > NTFS was common) I'm thinking it's probably something different at the > desktop level, and the user is finding the GNOME way more intuitive for > this. It still shouldn't matter. The installer should have found it and set it up in /etc/fstab. > > GNOME and KDE really are quite different, and maybe this issue really is a > userland problem after all. It sounds like maybe the GNOME way of doing > whatever this user is trying to do is more intuitive to him. > > I can't really understand the underlying issue, since I don't have any > NTFS > partitions, and seldom use graphical file browsers for anything. I'm > afraid I can't relate well enough to be of further use. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he is expecting Gnome to put an icon on his desktop - which KDE _can_ do, but doesn't by default. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 16 20:01:30 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:01:30 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2007, Billie Walsh wrote: >> seems to be better integrated into Kubuntu than that other one. Perhaps >> I will try it again. > > I've never found anything but disappointment with WINE myself, so if you > never get it to do anything interesting, you're in good company. It's come a _long_ way in the last year - it might almost be ready to come out of "alpha" :-) Everything I've tried to run with WINE recently works well. -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 16 20:49:00 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:49:00 -0500 Subject: networking project In-Reply-To: <46ED85D2.8000800@verizon.net> References: <46DB44EC.9070306@verizon.net> <46DB5B85.7090400@swbell.net> <46DB5E19.4040909@verizon.net> <46DC0703.8060703@gmx.net> <46DC1DC4.7040507@swbell.net> <46ED85D2.8000800@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46ED96BC.6050907@swbell.net> On 09/16/2007 Harold Hartley wrote: > Billy, what did you use for equipment to determine how much power > output > is running so you don't go over board with the power. > I had to look back at this old thread to see who had done this as I > noticed that my wireless only reaches 120 feet and I need to be able > to > reach another 60 - 70 feet more. > I just don't want to try adjusting the power output without the right > tools to gain the coverage I need... > > Harold I'm going to tell you a little story. It's gonna sound like one of those "Not Shit" stories that no one ever believes. BUT, it's true. Our ISP uses WIFI. Right now we are on the third hop from the fiber. When I click on a link it take 3 nano seconds for my signal to hit the fiber. We've been working with him a lot. We are in the process of setting up a link on 10GHz to a different repeater. This should cut down our time to the fiber to about in half. Either tower is about seven or eight miles from us as the crow, or radio signal, flies. Right now we are feeding our signal, through separate routers, to two other people. One is off our Linksys router in our computer room at about 125mW about a block from the house. Our end uses just the small verticle antenna's on the router while their house uses a 10Db gain parabolic. The other, our daughter, is from a standard unmodified netgear router about a block in the other direction. This one uses a 30Db gain parabolic on our end and a 10Db gain on the other. She has max strength on her end. I haven't ever actually tested the output of the router. Don't have anything to test it with. Just trusted the software to control it properly. You just tell the software in the router how high you want it. The software max's out at 250mW but I feel that is pushing the final transistors a little hard without some serious cooling. I do know that you can watch the signal strength on the receiving end go up as the power is set higher. I don't know what you need to extend the range for but if it's a fixed position you could just try a parabolic antenna on either end. If it's not then crank up the power to 100mW and see what your signal strength does. We have in the past run 125mW for extended periods without any issues. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Sep 17 00:27:59 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:27:59 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709162028.00075.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 16 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > It's come a _long_ way in the last year - it might almost be ready to come > out of "alpha" :-) Everything I've tried to run with WINE recently works > well. Just in time, now that I shot all my old CDs full of holes. (Literally. It was fun.) Oh well. I'm making do. -- D. Michael McIntyre From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 17 00:56:48 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:56:48 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD Message-ID: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it before. Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a live CD and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you need any of that kind of info, just let me know. Thanks in advance, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From vineeth.chandran at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 04:33:40 2007 From: vineeth.chandran at gmail.com (vineeth.chandran at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:03:40 +0530 Subject: netgear wi-fi In-Reply-To: <20070916115303.21b79c65@graham-desktop> References: <63676fdd0709152126l14a73d8bu1ef5e8d75dc9d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <20070916115303.21b79c65@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <63676fdd0709162133sa170118vb8284df7c4fa197b@mail.gmail.com> I have an WG111v2 netgear wi-fi usb dongle.How can i verify after the installation that the usb dongle is working? do i need a router for communicating between 2 usb dongles? if so which router i need for WG111v2 . Vineeth On 9/16/07, Graham wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:56:31 +0530 > vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > > > I have an Kubuntu 6.05 installed on my system. I want to know how to > > get the drivers for the usb netgear wi-fi stuff.I heard there is > > ndiswrapper which can be used? any idea does kubuntu support > > ndiswrapper? > [snipped] > > First to the easy part of your question: yes, Kubuntu does support > ndiswrapper. > > However, this may not be what you need. Is the usb wi-fi "stuff" a usb > dongle? Or a usb modem? > > If it is a usb dongle, it *should* work as a a usb device, and any > version of the kernel beyond 2.4.x will support it. However, I have > heard of some usb wi-fi dongles which search for elements of the > Windows operating system before activating (much like winmodems). You > have not specified the hardware for which you want drivers so its > impossible to say whether this is the case. > > For what its worth, I have found the TP-Link TL-WN321G dongle (or as > they refer to it "wireless usb adaptor") to work well with a TP-Link > TL-WR541G wireless router *and* a D-Link DI514 router, but only when > there is no other wireless PCI adapter installed, there is no wired > connection to the router through the NIC card, and there is "line of > sight" between the dongle and the router. This has been confirmed under > both Kubuntu and Mepis distros. > > I noticed, however, that the signal strength from my TP-Link router was > not very high when tested on my wife's PowerMac G4 in another room, > until I built a home made parabola for the antenna (with the help of > some of the very helpful people on the list) and raised the router on > top of a wardrobe. The point I am making is that your dongle might not > be working due to factors other than the lack of software. > > Modems that are connected via the usb port are a different matter, and > I would have to know the precise details of your wi-fi set-up before I > could hazard a guess. > > - -- > > Graham Todd > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy > > iD8DBQFG7QskthMHx1h/UZYRAsWwAJ9WiikMyraBtCqwqODgCiYOfgv3AwCfRm1e > QeLrVf4Uow6xrhxH+Yh4a1g= > =8Fns > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Vineeth Saraschandran Embedded software Developer Eaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 05:06:13 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:06:13 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20070917060613.394c1946@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:59:10 -0500 Billie Walsh wrote: > Don't think it's come quite far enough. > > Streets and Trips won't install and work. 2004 version or 2007. > > I did download PAF5 from familysearch.org and it installed and seems > to run after a fashion. But PAF is hardly a mainstream application. Remember that Wine Is Not An Emulator :-) It provides a layer which simulates the layer some Windows programs use if they are not integrated with the Windows OS from Win '97 to Win2K. So *some* Windows programs (usually older ones) will run under Wine, whether they are mainstream or not. Wine has been integrated into the Crossover series of applications from Codeweavers and in that environment is a better substitute for running Windows programs natively in Linux....but you do have to pay for them and they are not "free" in the sense used by Debian nor software libre. I expect that the Redmond giant would sue or threaten to sue, anyone who wrote a complete emulator for Windows, and this is the decisive matter. So don't expect a program that will emulate the Windows OS in the near future..... Meantime we have Wine..... - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG7gtGthMHx1h/UZYRAgd1AJ9h6oLKBGPSCJrVCTJ7ySq3vr1GBQCfQxrT fTUs2IRYBFwEdx52c99vdZc= =b1kt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 05:27:30 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:27:30 +1000 Subject: Dial up difficulties on 7.04 64bit In-Reply-To: <46ED4D9E.6010604@netplc.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> <46EBEF9D.4000808@netplc.com> <8f6eb7340709160153j5d2bae6dt1d313a1fecf8bd72@mail.gmail.com> <46ED4D9E.6010604@netplc.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709162227v26561d22j64b98d28e8bf6e2e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jordi, On 9/17/07, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > > Ok Robert, > > There are two things regarding this: > 1) Check > $ cat /etc/resolv.conf > Should contain the IP Addresses of the DNS servers. They should have > been assigned automatically by kppp There is an entry and I can ping it. > 2) What about the routes? > $ route print > ... > Should see the routes > 3) Set the default route: > $ sudo route add default ppp0 > (or whatever interface kppp assigns) > If you want to remove the previous default interface (ex. eth0) > $ sudo route del default eth0 OK - my next attempt at this will be tomorrow about 24 hours away from the time of writing this. Thanks, Bob From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 05:35:01 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:35:01 +0100 Subject: Dell D600 Laptop In-Reply-To: <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20070917063501.2bb1d09a@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've been offered a Dell D600 at a very low price. Does anyone know of any difficulty running Kubuntu/Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop? Is the wi-fi card recognised? (This could be the decisive factor for me - - unfortunately I have no details of the card in place.) - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG7hIGthMHx1h/UZYRAlXRAJ9rrFDBuarm14fs4ojdvXFKafziWwCeKHrp fK8XY860SJNcC4pQyQqGdqw= =sAS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hattingh.fredre at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 07:21:10 2007 From: hattingh.fredre at gmail.com (Fredre Hattingh) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:21:10 +0200 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> Hi I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. You can try typing when in the shell that you get: modprobe piix exit It worked for me Good Luck, Fredre On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it before. > Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good > flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a live CD > and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > > > BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > (initramfs) > > Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you need > any of that kind of info, just let me know. > > Thanks in advance, > Andrew > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 07:49:54 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:49:54 +1000 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709170049n205d9b66v3e5a36dd052fe34f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Michael, On 9/15/07, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 15 September 2007, Knapp wrote: > > > Second thought, can't you just put your friends HD in your computer? > > That would be the easy way to go, if the hardware is similar enough that it > would drop right in and boot up. Put his drive in your computer, download > via the package management system, and go on. Problems with this include > what if the Windows box isn't 64-bit, and the inconvenience, and risk to the > hardware, if this has to be done more than once in a blue moon. The Win box is not my computer, if it was it would not be Windows. Also it's 32 bit not 64 bit so I think I'm stuck with transferring by some media, cd or maybe dvd. There are dvd burners at both ends. > > To leech packages with Windows and burn them to CDs, I'm not sure what the > best way would be, but I can tell you what *isn't* the best way. Downloading > a bunch of .deb files and trying to dpkg -i them out of some directory > doesn't work well at all. You'd want to do mirrors of the repositories > somehow or other, so you could produce CDs that could be used as apt sources > directly. That last idea is exactly what I don't know how to do. Maybe I'm stuck with dpkg and what ever problems I will get with that. > > I'm not sure how I'd solve it. I think I'd start with a Windows version of > wget (I think it's available as a standalone, or you can get it through > Cygwin) and try grabbing a copy of the entire repository like... > > Well, nevermind. I tried a handful, and none of them are set up to allow for > this. > > Hrm. wget would be the way to leach the stuff. I was always happy with using that when I had a Debian box 2 years ago. > > I don't know what I'd do then. A lot of tedious hand work I guess. Yes! > > Running a Linux box without a live internet connection SUCKS. You and your > friend have my sympathy, but apparently not my really good ideas. I've been trying to persuade him for some time that even a slow ADSL connection would be cheaper in the long run. Thanks, Bob > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Had God intended us to eat vegetables, She wouldn't have inspired us to invent spears, AK47s and such. From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 07:53:45 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:53:45 +1000 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709170053s2a01cbcfkb1dde436ecc3bd86@mail.gmail.com> Hi Douglas, On 9/16/07, Knapp wrote: > I want to point out that if Windows is giving you any trouble you can > boot a live Linux CD and go from there. > > Also why not just bring your friends computer to this fast connection > and get him all set up? I'm stuck with a 2 hour train journey each way between locations, so moving the computer is not really feasible. Also the fast machine is 32 bit the target 64 bit so I think I'm stuck with using media. Thanks, Bob From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 07:55:28 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:55:28 +0200 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46EE32F0.1080406@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > I want to point out that if Windows is giving you any trouble you can > boot a live Linux CD and go from there. > > Also why not just bring your friends computer to this fast connection > and get him all set up? try aptoncd: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 07:57:42 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:57:42 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46EE3376.3000407@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > msmarti58 wrote: >> I am completely new to Linux, and following PC Magazine’s tips, >> installed Ubuntu with no problems. However, I was curious about Kubuntu, >> so I deleted Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could >> not mount my other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up >> automatically on my desktop. I just wondered what the difference is. I >> won’t be using Kubuntu, it’s too complicated for me. I am strictly a >> Windows user, for the most part. I don’t know how to do things in the >> command window or any of that. >> >> there is some difference with the gnome-vfs (virtual file system) that makes eg connecting to win2003 servers easier than the KDE file system. So it might be a related issue but I am not an expert. Sinclair From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Mon Sep 17 08:23:59 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:23:59 +0100 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: <46EE32F0.1080406@gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <46EE32F0.1080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709170924.00111.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Monday 17 September 2007 08:55:28 O. Sinclair wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > I want to point out that if Windows is giving you any trouble you can > > boot a live Linux CD and go from there. > > > > Also why not just bring your friends computer to this fast connection > > and get him all set up? > > try aptoncd: > http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ Just looked at installing aptoncd and found that it required quite a few other packages to be installed like nautilus-cd-burner and as I'm using Kubuntu that plus a load of other packages were flagged as required. Is there an equivalent KDE package that uses Konqueror and K3B? From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Mon Sep 17 09:05:56 2007 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:05:56 +0200 Subject: Graphics cards - intel onboard? In-Reply-To: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709122259.34263.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200709171105.56976.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Wednesday 12 September 2007 23:59:34 David Fletcher wrote: > I'm intending to rebuild the PC in the fairly near future. I don't need a > powerful graphics card, I want it fanless, and I want it to be PCI Express > x16. I'd get me a board with intel onboard graphics and buy a card when the free-radeon-driver genie has done some magic. If it needs to happen Real Soon (TM) NVidia works alright with binary drivers. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.stop1984.com http://www.againsttcpa.com From ansari.farid at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 09:13:46 2007 From: ansari.farid at gmail.com (Farid Ansari) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:13:46 +0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EE3376.3000407@gmail.com> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <46EE3376.3000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27b81ea70709170213x6146a4dft8125900ba9263ae2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Billie, You switch back to Ubuntu or wait for the newer release thats expected in October 2007. The command line is not used very much in either Kubuntu or Ubuntu. These systems are much better then Windows and also they are not as vulnurable to viruses and worms as are windows. I have Win XP Home, Win XP Pro and Windows Vista Ultimate on 2 computers with dual boot system GRIB which is Linux based. Except for the Audio / Video chat which I have not been able to configure on Linux systems, all other things are equally user friendly like Windows. In Kubuntu its not possible to change the hardware address of the network card whereas it can be done in SuSE 10.2 or maybe I do not know how to. Stick to Linux and enjoy the freedom of opensource. Regards, Farid On 9/17/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Billie Walsh wrote: > > msmarti58 wrote: > >> I am completely new to Linux, and following PC Magazine's tips, > >> installed Ubuntu with no problems. However, I was curious about > Kubuntu, > >> so I deleted Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could > >> not mount my other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up > >> automatically on my desktop. I just wondered what the difference is. I > >> won't be using Kubuntu, it's too complicated for me. I am strictly a > >> Windows user, for the most part. I don't know how to do things in the > >> command window or any of that. > >> > >> > there is some difference with the gnome-vfs (virtual file system) that > makes eg connecting to win2003 servers easier than the KDE file system. > So it might be a related issue but I am not an expert. > > Sinclair > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vineeth On 9/17/07, vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > > I have an WG111v2 netgear wi-fi usb dongle.How can i verify after the > installation that the usb dongle is working? do i need a router for > communicating between 2 usb dongles? if so which router i need for WG111v2 . > > Vineeth > > > On 9/16/07, Graham wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:56:31 +0530 > > vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > > > > > I have an Kubuntu 6.05 installed on my system. I want to know how to > > > get the drivers for the usb netgear wi-fi stuff.I heard there is > > > ndiswrapper which can be used? any idea does kubuntu support > > > ndiswrapper? > > [snipped] > > > > First to the easy part of your question: yes, Kubuntu does support > > ndiswrapper. > > > > However, this may not be what you need. Is the usb wi-fi "stuff" a usb > > dongle? Or a usb modem? > > > > If it is a usb dongle, it *should* work as a a usb device, and any > > version of the kernel beyond 2.4.x will support it. However, I have > > heard of some usb wi-fi dongles which search for elements of the > > Windows operating system before activating (much like winmodems). You > > have not specified the hardware for which you want drivers so its > > impossible to say whether this is the case. > > > > For what its worth, I have found the TP-Link TL-WN321G dongle (or as > > they refer to it "wireless usb adaptor") to work well with a TP-Link > > TL-WR541G wireless router *and* a D-Link DI514 router, but only when > > there is no other wireless PCI adapter installed, there is no wired > > connection to the router through the NIC card, and there is "line of > > sight" between the dongle and the router. This has been confirmed under > > both Kubuntu and Mepis distros. > > > > I noticed, however, that the signal strength from my TP-Link router was > > not very high when tested on my wife's PowerMac G4 in another room, > > until I built a home made parabola for the antenna (with the help of > > some of the very helpful people on the list) and raised the router on > > top of a wardrobe. The point I am making is that your dongle might not > > be working due to factors other than the lack of software. > > > > Modems that are connected via the usb port are a different matter, and > > I would have to know the precise details of your wi-fi set-up before I > > could hazard a guess. > > > > - -- > > > > Graham Todd > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy > > > > iD8DBQFG7QskthMHx1h/UZYRAsWwAJ9WiikMyraBtCqwqODgCiYOfgv3AwCfRm1e > > QeLrVf4Uow6xrhxH+Yh4a1g= > > =8Fns > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > Vineeth Saraschandran > Embedded software Developer > Eaton > -- Vineeth Saraschandran Embedded software Developer Eaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Sep 17 09:59:56 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:59:56 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070917060613.394c1946@graham-desktop> References: <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> <20070917060613.394c1946@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200709170559.57084.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 17 September 2007, Graham wrote: > Wine has been integrated into the Crossover series of applications from > Codeweavers and in that environment is a better substitute for running > Windows programs natively in Linux....but you do have to pay for them > and they are not "free" in the sense used by Debian nor software libre. The buyer should also check the list of applications that can be expected to work very carefully. If what you want to run isn't on it, my experience has been that you are in effect simply giving a donation to Codeweavers in this case. Unsupported is unsupported. I had to install virtually everything with "Install Unsupported Application," and nothing worked. It wasn't a wise investment, but that was also probably 2005. Maybe things are better now, but I'd still check the current list of what they say will work very carefully. -- D. Michael McIntyre From james at saveker.org Mon Sep 17 10:18:05 2007 From: james at saveker.org (James Saveker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:18:05 +0100 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> Fredre Hattingh wrote: > Hi > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > modprobe piix > exit > > > It worked for me > > Good Luck, > Fredre > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it before. >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a live CD >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: >> >> >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off >> (initramfs) >> >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you need >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Andrew >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I can't remember what I changed though. Jimbo. From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:55:42 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:55:42 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: Okay here I am in KDE, over top of Ubuntu. I keep reading about this fstab folder, I don't have one. And once again, I can't find my usb drive, or my other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. In GNOME, the icon of the usb drive was right on my desktop and it was easy to add the other one as well. I can't even find them to add them TO the desktop, in KDE. And I'm a she, not a he. Hehe. I DO like KDE better, so I'll keep taking a stab at this. Marti > On Sunday 16 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > > KDE & Gnome _don't_ generally find your fixed drives (USB connected drives > > are another matter). The fixed drives are listed in /etc/fstab and I > > guarantee the same version of Ubuntu & Kubuntu will find the same ones. > > This is what I was getting at with my own assessment as well. I assumed the > bits he wasn't seeing via Kubuntu should be in the category of stuff the > installer would put into fstab, so it should be desktop-neutral. > > Now that I re-read and realize he said "NTFS" instead of "NFS" (I didn't think > his perspective through, and I switched away from Windows before NTFS was > common) I'm thinking it's probably something different at the desktop level, > and the user is finding the GNOME way more intuitive for this. > > GNOME and KDE really are quite different, and maybe this issue really is a > userland problem after all. It sounds like maybe the GNOME way of doing > whatever this user is trying to do is more intuitive to him. > > I can't really understand the underlying issue, since I don't have any NTFS > partitions, and seldom use graphical file browsers for anything. I'm afraid > I can't relate well enough to be of further use. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 17 11:12:21 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:12:21 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> Marti Andrews wrote: > I keep reading about this > fstab folder, I don't have one. Right - fstab is a configuration file which tells the system where to mount particular partitions. The location is /etc/fstab. > And once again, I can't find my usb > drive, or my other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. From the "System Menu" which is located in the system tray besides the "K-Menu" select "Storage Media". There you can find your USB drive and other hard drives. From there you can drag the drive to your desktop, select the option "Link Here" in the popup menu. Nils From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 17 11:27:20 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:27:20 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> Message-ID: <096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> Hi, Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It just put the same message back out. Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with anything I didn't know about. Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Saveker" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Fredre Hattingh wrote: > Hi > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > modprobe piix > exit > > > It worked for me > > Good Luck, > Fredre > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it before. >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a live >> CD >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: >> >> >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off >> (initramfs) >> >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you >> need >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Andrew >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I can't remember what I changed though. Jimbo. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From james at saveker.org Mon Sep 17 11:48:09 2007 From: james at saveker.org (James Saveker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:48:09 +0100 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> <096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com> Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > Hi, > > Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It just > put the same message back out. > > Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with > anything I didn't know about. > > Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Saveker" > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > Fredre Hattingh wrote: > > Hi > > > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > > > modprobe piix > > exit > > > > > > It worked for me > > > > Good Luck, > > Fredre > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it > before. > >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good > >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a > live > >> CD > >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > >> > >> > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > >> (initramfs) > >> > >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you > >> need > >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Andrew > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > >> > >> > >> > > > > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in > to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I > can't remember what I changed though. > > Jimbo. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Jimbo. In God we trust, Everyone else must have an X.509 certificate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 11:48:34 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:48:34 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: It's not there in the /etc folder! I was finally able to get the icons on my desktop by going to System Settings, Disk and Filesystems, but when I click on them now, it says I don't have access rights to them. Now I can't even get to the storage media choice, it has locked me out. Help! Marti > From: kassube at gmx.net > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:12:21 +0200 > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > I keep reading about this > > fstab folder, I don't have one. > > Right - fstab is a configuration file which tells the system where to > mount particular partitions. The location is /etc/fstab. > > > And once again, I can't find my usb > > drive, or my other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. > > From the "System Menu" which is located in the system tray besides > the "K-Menu" select "Storage Media". There you can find your USB drive > and other hard drives. From there you can drag the drive to your desktop, > select the option "Link Here" in the popup menu. > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 17 13:02:37 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:02:37 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com><46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org><096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> <240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook> My SATA operation is set to AHCI and the only other option is ATA; to switch to that, I need to turn off the Flash Cache Module. Should I change that? Is that what you're talking about, or am I looking at the wrong thing? Thanks for your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Saveker To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: Hi, Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It just put the same message back out. Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with anything I didn't know about. Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Saveker" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" < kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Fredre Hattingh wrote: > Hi > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > modprobe piix > exit > > > It worked for me > > Good Luck, > Fredre > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it before. >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a live >> CD >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: >> >> >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off >> (initramfs) >> >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you >> need >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Andrew >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I can't remember what I changed though. 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URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 17 13:02:58 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:02:58 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> Marti Andrews wrote: > It's not there in the /etc folder! Well, that's very strange. I don't know any Kubuntu version without the /etc/fstab file. Which Kubuntu version have you installed? Nils From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 17 12:41:51 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:41:51 -0300 Subject: Dell D600 Laptop References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> <20070917063501.2bb1d09a@graham-desktop> Message-ID: Graham wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've been offered a Dell D600 at a very low price. Does anyone know of > any difficulty running Kubuntu/Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop? > > Is the wi-fi card recognised? (This could be the decisive factor for me > - - unfortunately I have no details of the card in place.) Dells come with different wi-fi cards, depending on the options you choose. The intel ones are recognized. The others I can't be sure of. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 17 12:49:52 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:49:52 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: Marti Andrews wrote: Please don't top post. How are we supposed to have a conversation? > Okay here I am in KDE, over top of Ubuntu. I keep reading about this fstab > folder, I don't have one. Yes you do. > And once again, I can't find my usb drive, or my > other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. You're not reading very well. Hard drives don't get put on the desktop by default. If you want them you can have them, and instructions were given. However, it's pointless - Unix uses a unified filesystem view. Your windows partition is mounted wherever it says in /etc/fstab, and you browse to files in the NTFS partition the same way you find any other file on the system USB drives, otoh, should _always_ show up on the desktop _when_ you plug them in, and not before. I admit, mine stopped briefly last week, and I can't exactly remember what I restarted to fix it. I either did: # sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart which is a sort of catch-all that works almost as well as Windows reboot, or I went into the KDE menu > System Settings/Advanced/Service Manager, and restarted either the "Media Notifier Daemon" or the "KDED Media Manager" > In GNOME, the > icon of the usb drive was right on my desktop and it was easy to add the > other one as well. In KDE you should never need to "add" a usb drive to your desktop - it's either there, or not. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:19:43 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:19:43 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout Message-ID: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> In KDE 3.5.6 in Kubuntu Feisty 7.04 I have two keyboard layouts. I need to configure Alt-Shift to switch between them. I can configure any other key combination that I want, but when I try "Alt-Shift" I get "Shit+Shift_L". I've also tried "Shift+Alt", which sets "Alt+ISO_Prev_Group". This computer is used by a recent Windows convert and she is _not_ going to learn any key combination other than the Alt+Shift that she is familiar with. Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:21:35 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:21:35 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070917060613.394c1946@graham-desktop> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com> <46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net> <200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net> <20070917060613.394c1946@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <880dece00709170621p32c8dc70h9636f8e34684b718@mail.gmail.com> On 17/09/2007, Graham wrote: > > Remember that Wine Is Not An Emulator :-) > > It provides a layer which simulates the layer some Windows programs use > if they are not integrated with the Windows OS from Win '97 to Win2K. > So *some* Windows programs (usually older ones) will run under Wine, > whether they are mainstream or not. > > Wine has been integrated into the Crossover series of applications from > Codeweavers and in that environment is a better substitute for running > Windows programs natively in Linux....but you do have to pay for them > and they are not "free" in the sense used by Debian nor software libre. > > I expect that the Redmond giant would sue or threaten to sue, anyone who > wrote a complete emulator for Windows, and this is the decisive > matter. So don't expect a program that will emulate the Windows OS in > the near future..... > > Meantime we have Wine..... Er, ever heard of ReactOS? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From macariov at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:25:45 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (macariov at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:25:45 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00709170621p32c8dc70h9636f8e34684b718@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709160830p2085d24fl2bfb8c748c12a96d@mail.gmail.com><46ED6A54.5020509@swbell.net><200709161350.53935.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46EDD15E.40602@swbell.net><20070917060613.394c1946@graham-desktop><880dece00709170621p32c8dc70h9636f8e34684b718@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <897084258-1190035537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-996466853-@bxe119.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I Tried it about a year ago, on a small partition out of curiosity, and it was not even worth the download. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Dotan Cohen" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:21:35 To:"Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu On 17/09/2007, Graham wrote: > > Remember that Wine Is Not An Emulator :-) > > It provides a layer which simulates the layer some Windows programs use > if they are not integrated with the Windows OS from Win '97 to Win2K. > So *some* Windows programs (usually older ones) will run under Wine, > whether they are mainstream or not. > > Wine has been integrated into the Crossover series of applications from > Codeweavers and in that environment is a better substitute for running > Windows programs natively in Linux....but you do have to pay for them > and they are not "free" in the sense used by Debian nor software libre. > > I expect that the Redmond giant would sue or threaten to sue, anyone who > wrote a complete emulator for Windows, and this is the decisive > matter. So don't expect a program that will emulate the Windows OS in > the near future..... > > Meantime we have Wine..... Er, ever heard of ReactOS? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From hattingh.fredre at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:38:34 2007 From: hattingh.fredre at gmail.com (Fredre Hattingh) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:38:34 +0200 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> <096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> <240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com> <89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <9ef5f6de0709170638q3715ce67wb4f1f64e16748f6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Sorry for the wrong instructions earlier. The solution i found was located here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/99757 jerrylamos wrote on 2007-06-13: (permalink) There are a couple fixes which work for some people. See my post "Workarounds" in "Installation & Upgrades" in ubuntuforums.org. The first one to try is when you boot the CD Live disk and get boot options, push F6 At the end of the line after quiet splash, add: break=top which should look like: .........quiet splash break=top What is supposed to happen is that the boot will stop with a command line before getting the "can't access tty". Then enter modprobe piix presuming that works, then enter exit I have no idea what this actually does, except some people report that it works. I forgot about the break=top part. ps. Thats a acer Travelmate (long day) On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > My SATA operation is set to AHCI and the only other option is ATA; to switch > to that, I need to turn off the Flash Cache Module. Should I change that? Is > that what you're talking about, or am I looking at the wrong thing? > > Thanks for your help. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Saveker > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:48 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to > auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It just > > put the same message back out. > > > > Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with > > anything I didn't know about. > > > > Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Saveker" > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" < kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > > > Fredre Hattingh wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > > > > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > > > > > modprobe piix > > > exit > > > > > > > > > It worked for me > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Fredre > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it > before. > > >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a good > > >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a > live > > >> CD > > >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > > >> > > >> > > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > > >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > > >> (initramfs) > > >> > > >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > > >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if you > > >> need > > >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance, > > >> Andrew > > >> -- > > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in > > to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I > > can't remember what I changed though. > > > > Jimbo. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > Jimbo. > > In God we trust, > Everyone else must have an X.509 certificate. > > ________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 17 13:46:26 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:46:26 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <27b81ea70709170213x6146a4dft8125900ba9263ae2@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EC4AD8.8040305@swbell.net> <46EE3376.3000407@gmail.com> <27b81ea70709170213x6146a4dft8125900ba9263ae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE8532.3060108@swbell.net> On 09/17/2007 Farid Ansari wrote: > Hi Billie, > You switch back to Ubuntu or wait for the newer release thats > expected in October 2007. The command line is not used very much in > either Kubuntu or Ubuntu. These systems are much better then Windows > and also they are not as vulnurable to viruses and worms as are > windows. > I have Win XP Home, Win XP Pro and Windows Vista Ultimate on 2 > computers with dual boot system GRIB which is Linux based. Except for > the Audio / Video chat which I have not been able to configure on > Linux systems, all other things are equally user friendly like > Windows. > In Kubuntu its not possible to change the hardware address of the > network card whereas it can be done in SuSE 10.2 or maybe I do not > know how to. > Stick to Linux and enjoy the freedom of opensource. > Regards, > > Farid > > On 9/17/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Billie Walsh wrote: >> msmarti58 wrote: >> I am completely new to Linux, I think things are getting a bit confusing. I'm not the one thinking of giving up on Kubuntu. I'm quite happy with it. There are a few things I wish I could get to work a bit better but I'm working on it. I'm still pretty much a newby myself. I've only been using Linux for a couple years. Still a lot to learn. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:52:08 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:52:08 +0200 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: <200709170924.00111.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <46EE32F0.1080406@gmail.com> <200709170924.00111.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: A question for all. If he were to bring the hard drive to his 32 bit computer and save stuff to it with the 32 bit computer could the 64 bit computer still read all the files? Or is there some difference in the way the 64 bit and 32 bit systems assess and write to the HD? I am thinking that they do it the same way and it would make no difference provided he got the 64 bit packages and saved the 64 bit packages. Douglas From lists at ptfd.org Mon Sep 17 13:53:27 2007 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:53:27 -0400 Subject: Dell D600 Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <20070917063501.2bb1d09a@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200709170953.27955.lists@ptfd.org> On Monday 17 September 2007 08:41:51 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Graham wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I've been offered a Dell D600 at a very low price. Does anyone know of > > any difficulty running Kubuntu/Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop? > > > > Is the wi-fi card recognised? (This could be the decisive factor for me > > - - unfortunately I have no details of the card in place.) > > Dells come with different wi-fi cards, depending on the options you choose. > The intel ones are recognized. The others I can't be sure of. > -- > derek Dont get it if it is a DELL 1300, 0r 1400 card, the intel ipw2200 etc... cards are good. I had a D600 and had kubuntu on it and loved it, I just upgraded to an D820, and love it as well. Mike From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 14:05:55 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:05:55 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I know you are correct in saying that she will not learn. It always blows be away, how inflexible people really are. I don't just mean with computers ether. Computers just showcase the trait well. I always switch keyboards with a mouse click on the bottom right. Can she learn this (this is not sarcasm!)? Douglas On 9/17/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > In KDE 3.5.6 in Kubuntu Feisty 7.04 I have two keyboard layouts. I > need to configure Alt-Shift to switch between them. I can configure > any other key combination that I want, but when I try "Alt-Shift" I > get "Shit+Shift_L". I've also tried "Shift+Alt", which sets > "Alt+ISO_Prev_Group". This computer is used by a recent Windows > convert and she is _not_ going to learn any key combination other than > the Alt+Shift that she is familiar with. > > Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 14:21:03 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:21:03 +1000 Subject: Getting extra repositories for Kubuntu via CD In-Reply-To: <46EE32F0.1080406@gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150447u2dba3616l11d8b58f11c2da4e@mail.gmail.com> <200709150845.08199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46EE32F0.1080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709170721l78d0e03dvaa14412afd67f30b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/07, O. Sinclair wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > I want to point out that if Windows is giving you any trouble you can > > boot a live Linux CD and go from there. > > > > Also why not just bring your friends computer to this fast connection > > and get him all set up? > try aptoncd: > http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, I've just downloaded that. Will try leaching the repositories and using it to build the mirrors on cd. Cheers, Bob From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 17 14:14:21 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:14:21 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <9ef5f6de0709170638q3715ce67wb4f1f64e16748f6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com><46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org><096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook><240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com><89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170638q3715ce67wb4f1f64e16748f6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook> Thanks for those instructions; I think I'm one step further now, but I've run into another error message. After I followed the directions you (Fredre) gave, it went through the loading process until I got a screen with the following message: [106.86000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. It repeated this line 9 times over about 5 minutes, with a difference xxx.xxxxxx combination in the brackets at the front. By the last one, it sounded like the CD had stopped spinning, so I pressed my power button to reboot. When I did that, it went back to the "Kubuntu" screen, popped the CD out, and shut down. What do I do now? Thanks to all for their help! PS - I've said CD, but it's actually a DVD; does it make a difference? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredre Hattingh" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Hi, Sorry for the wrong instructions earlier. The solution i found was located here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/99757 jerrylamos wrote on 2007-06-13: (permalink) There are a couple fixes which work for some people. See my post "Workarounds" in "Installation & Upgrades" in ubuntuforums.org. The first one to try is when you boot the CD Live disk and get boot options, push F6 At the end of the line after quiet splash, add: break=top which should look like: .........quiet splash break=top What is supposed to happen is that the boot will stop with a command line before getting the "can't access tty". Then enter modprobe piix presuming that works, then enter exit I have no idea what this actually does, except some people report that it works. I forgot about the break=top part. ps. Thats a acer Travelmate (long day) On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > My SATA operation is set to AHCI and the only other option is ATA; to > switch > to that, I need to turn off the Flash Cache Module. Should I change that? > Is > that what you're talking about, or am I looking at the wrong thing? > > Thanks for your help. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Saveker > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:48 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to > auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It > > just > > put the same message back out. > > > > Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with > > anything I didn't know about. > > > > Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Saveker" > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" < > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > > > Fredre Hattingh wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > > > > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > > > > > modprobe piix > > > exit > > > > > > > > > It worked for me > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Fredre > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it > before. > > >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a > > >> good > > >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a > live > > >> CD > > >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > > >> > > >> > > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > > >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > > >> (initramfs) > > >> > > >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > > >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if > > >> you > > >> need > > >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance, > > >> Andrew > > >> -- > > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in > > to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I > > can't remember what I changed though. > > > > Jimbo. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > Jimbo. > > In God we trust, > Everyone else must have an X.509 certificate. > > ________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Mon Sep 17 14:58:27 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:58:27 +0100 Subject: Midi files Message-ID: <20070917155827.7300f311.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Using Kubuntu Edgy. What is the best program for playing midi files please? I have tried some of the sound files that are present on my computer but I can't seem to get any to work. Many thanks Neil Winchurst From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 17 14:32:30 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:32:30 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nils Kassube wrote: > Marti Andrews wrote: >> It's not there in the /etc folder! > > Well, that's very strange. I don't know any Kubuntu version without > the /etc/fstab file. Which Kubuntu version have you installed? How can you even get past the initial boot without /etc/fstab? -- derek From paulatgm at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 16:40:29 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:40:29 -0400 Subject: Midi files In-Reply-To: <20070917155827.7300f311.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070917155827.7300f311.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <46EEADFD.6070804@gmail.com> timidity Neil Winchurst said the following on 09/17/2007 10:58 AM: > Using Kubuntu Edgy. > > What is the best program for playing midi files please? I have tried > some of the sound files that are present on my computer but I can't > seem to get any to work. > > Many thanks > > Neil Winchurst > From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 17 16:48:28 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:48:28 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46EEAFDC.5020100@sbcglobal.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Marti Andrews wrote: > >> I keep reading about this >> fstab folder, I don't have one. >> > > Right - fstab is a configuration file which tells the system where to > mount particular partitions. The location is /etc/fstab. > > >> And once again, I can't find my usb >> drive, or my other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. >> > > >From the "System Menu" which is located in the system tray besides > the "K-Menu" select "Storage Media". There you can find your USB drive > and other hard drives. From there you can drag the drive to your desktop, > select the option "Link Here" in the popup menu. > > > Nils > > Dear Nils, I am a newbie who cannot keep up with things yet. Your suggestion on how to put a link on the desktop helped me very much. Thanks. If this interruption is rude, I apologize, I don't yet know the polite and proper way to participate . Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do have the following files in /etc/timidity freepats.cfg.dpkg-new timidity.cfg.dpkg-new Now I am lost. Neil From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 17 17:04:28 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:04:28 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EEAFDC.5020100@sbcglobal.net> References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <46EEAFDC.5020100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200709171904.28367.kassube@gmx.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > I am a newbie who cannot keep up with things yet. Your suggestion on > how to put a link on the desktop helped me very much. Thanks. If this > interruption is rude, I apologize, I don't yet know the polite and > proper way to participate . Thanks for the feedback. No, it isn't rude in any way. Nils From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 17:05:10 2007 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:05:10 -0600 Subject: Error message with recent dapper kernel update In-Reply-To: <200709160934.23997.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <46E8512C.2040409@gmail.com> <46EBF35D.5050406@gmail.com> <200709160934.23997.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EEB3C6.4020408@gmail.com> lanzen said the following at 09/16/2007 01:34 AM : > On 15/9/2007, D. R. Evans wrote: > >> So right now I don't know how to get rid of the error message without >> causing other catastrophic problems. > > I've got that error on my desktop PC. I just let it be and all's well. > > I've got a couple of other errors here on my laptop. Using the same policy as > above works. ;-) > > Now I don't know if that's the right way to go about it, but no harm's done > apparently. > I am getting random freezes if I don't set noapic, which may or may not be associated with the error message. Actually, I've been seeing random freezes ever since I first loaded dapper on this machine, and I'm wondering whether the new error message is trying to point toward the cause. I've been performing occasional google searches for months, and it seems like there is a small percentage of people who see random freezes with dapper, but there seems to be no obvious pattern or cause. A few people have reported that "noapic" makes the problem go away, which it seems to do in my case too, except that I can no longer burn a CD :-( I really wanted to wait until the next LTS before upgrading, but I'm now planning to try the latest gutsy tribe when I return from a business trip later in the week. I need to have a stable machine, and I need to be able to burn CDs, and there seems to be no way to have both with amd64 dapper on my ASUS A8N-SLI Premium mobo. Doc From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 18:34:16 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:34:16 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! Message-ID: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Lo, I took a stab, just now, at this samba lark and (like the last few times over a couple of years) that I have tried it, I only get so far and grind to a halt. I followed a thread on the ubuntu forums and on the Kubuntu side of things it all goes swimmingly. [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605] On XP Home I set my interface to WINS (whatever the heck that is) and reboot the machine, all per the thread's info. After that I try to map a network drive and I enter the folder (\\myhostname\Myfiles) and hit Finish. This is where the problem happens, it asks me for a username and password. Now, I had set that up (I thought) on Kubuntu to be 'donn' and 'ok' (just to test things), but whatever I enter in that window does nothing. It flashes away for a microsecond and comes right back again. I have tried changing the password (back on Kubuntu with smbpasswd to emulate variously, my Kubuntu password and my Windows password (blank) but nothing works. Anyone have any clues? /d From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Mon Sep 17 18:56:30 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:56:30 +0200 Subject: Rosegarden In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0709131113r516d36aated036b6f0716c13d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200708312218.41358.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <720b310e0709121314s1013fdf4jb6a517ceff27614b@mail.gmail.com> <9c2aabaf0709131113r516d36aated036b6f0716c13d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709172056.32011.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Thursday 13 September 2007 20:13:12 Michael Hirsch wrote: > On 9/12/07, Greg Booth wrote: > > Then I may have a misconception. I thought ac97 codec was normally > > used by the generic onboard sound systems. Anyone know if that's > > correct or not ? Have you checked the bios for any configuration > > options of an onboard audio device ? > > my understanding is that ac97 is a standard for interfacing to a sound > chip. I have often seen it used for onboard sound, but I don't think > there is any reason if couldn't be used on a PCI sound card, or > anything else. > > Michael It has perhaps to do with the Live!Drive connected to the SBLive! PCI Card? Laurent Asorne -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 20:02:12 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:02:12 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> On 17/09/2007, Knapp wrote: > I know you are correct in saying that she will not learn. It always > blows be away, how inflexible people really are. I don't just mean > with computers ether. Computers just showcase the trait well. > I always switch keyboards with a mouse click on the bottom right. Can > she learn this (this is not sarcasm!)? I'll float the idea by her, but she really, really wants Alt-Shift to switch layouts. This is a person who for the first month that she had Firefox (on windows) could not start the browser, because the icon was not blue. Switching Firefox to a blue icon with the letter E made Firefox easy to use for her. In any case, why can I not configure Alt+Shift to switch layouts? I've tested this on two other Ubuntu machines running KDE, and on both of them I could not configure Alt+Shift to switch layouts. Each machine had different behavior (this machine shows Alt+Shift when pressed, but as soon as the keys are released jumps back to the previous configuration) but on none of them could I configure the shortcut. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 21:46:34 2007 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:46:34 -0400 Subject: motherboards under linux Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0709171446j799b1b5jf1a3696c4b32cca1@mail.gmail.com> I will be installing a new motherboard I am looking at the asus p5b-e, p5b-plus and asus p5k se I have heard these boards have problems running under Linux. Inparticular with the lan chips. Does anyone have any experience with these motherboards. thanks uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And they don't show, and they are not mounted and they won't mount for me because I get a message that I don't have the right permissions. Marti > From: kassube at gmx.net > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:02:58 +0200 > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > It's not there in the /etc folder! > > Well, that's very strange. I don't know any Kubuntu version without > the /etc/fstab file. Which Kubuntu version have you installed? > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And they don't show, and they are not mounted and they won't mount for me because I get a message that I don't have the right permissions. Marti > From: kassube at gmx.net > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:02:58 +0200 > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > It's not there in the /etc folder! > > Well, that's very strange. I don't know any Kubuntu version without > the /etc/fstab file. Which Kubuntu version have you installed? > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:21:39 -0400 Subject: Midi files In-Reply-To: <20070917175251.019998dd.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070917155827.7300f311.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46EEADFD.6070804@gmail.com> <20070917175251.019998dd.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709171921.39138.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 17 September 2007, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Please check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg > freepats.cfg.dpkg-new > timidity.cfg.dpkg-new My (born as Ubuntu Studio) box has these without the ".dpkg-new" extensions. I'm not sure where that came from. Broken package? Some manual config step you're supposed to do? I have no idea, but I'd start by renaming those to freepats.cfg and timidity.cfg and see if that did the trick. Once you get TiMidity working, you can also start it as an ALSA synth client, and then play it with Rosegarden. If you want to twiddle the MIDI files, for example. Or you can use QSynth instead. QSynth sounds better IMHO, but it's more involved to get noise the first time. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 18 00:05:11 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:05:11 -0400 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 17 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > In any case, why can I not configure Alt+Shift to switch layouts? I've It was an interesting quest. I tried hacking the "kdeglobals" file to put Alt+Shift in by hand, since it was impossible to arrive at that using only the GUI. No dice. I can't figure it out. It seems this mechanism simply considers shift and alt to be modifier keys, and they can only be used in conjunction with a non-modifier key. I don't guess it has to be that way, but I don't know where to begin hacking to try to change this. KDE? X11? Something else? Seems to me your friend is going to have to get over it. May I suggest something like Alt+Shift+Space or Alt+Shift+Z that's easy to whack with one hand? I know the kind of user you're dealing with. I'm glad to be rid of the last of mine, to be honest about it. Except my wife, actually. She grew up on Linux though, so when I put Vista on her machine to play with (long story) she was totally pissed off about Windows having everything where she couldn't find it in plain sight. She DEMANDED that I expunge that madness immediately, and switch her back to Kubuntu. I complied. :) Anyway, sorry I failed my little quest. On the bright side, I've been using KDE since 2.1, and I never once investigated the keyboard shortcut configuration bit. I've been changing layouts with the damn icon for years (on Windows too.) If I had a nickel for every pointless mouse motion... -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 18 00:20:26 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:20:26 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 17 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: > I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND > new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be > intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the > etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. > Not there. Troy probably hit it. It's a file, not a folder, so it will be further down. I'm 100% positive you have an /etc/fstab file. Why are we looking for it again? Anyway, it sounds like part of the problem is you need to come to grips with the Unix way of handling filesystems, compared with the DOS way, which has continued forward to be the Windows way. The DOS/Windows way is really stupid. You install a new hard drive, or repartition an old one, and now what was F: is now G:, and G: is now H: and blah blah. You have to update links to everything when you change something, and this is particularly evil in the age of the Registry. The Unix way is utterly different, and mind-boggling at first, but it makes so much more sense at the end of the day. When you boot, you have to tell the kernel where to find the root partition. This becomes the / directory, and this is the base of the entire tree. Everything else will be mounted on this tree somewhere. A mountpoint is simply a directory. When you mount a filesystem volume (hard disk partition, CD, DVD, USB stick, etc.) onto the directory (um, directory and folder mean the same thing) it becomes the path through which you access the contents of the volume. Thus instead of F:\My Files\Foo you might wind up with something like /media/hdb6/My Files/Foo on your Linux system. I'm not sure what all the hullabaloo about not putting icons for your partitions is though. This is certainly possible. I guess I'm thinking of KNOPPIX where I've seen the desktop come up with links to /media/hdb6, /media/hda4 and whatever. Probably that configuration option they're all telling you about, but I don't use graphical froo froo for managing my filesystems as a rule, and I can't relate to how you next generation people think. -- D. Michael McIntyre From stew.schneider at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 00:37:10 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:37:10 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46EF1DB6.80303@gmail.com> On Monday 17 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: >> I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND >> new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be >> intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the >> etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. >> Not there. >> I haven't been following this closely, but my impression is that Marti has some NTFS formatted drives, containing her tunes and whatever other dark mysteries, and she wants access to them. She expected there to be icons on the desktop, and there are not, so how can she find them? Additionally, she thinks she has no /etc/fstab file. She is using the Kubuntu desktop on 7.04 Ubuntu. Is that all correct, Marti? If so, she needs help: 1. Reading/writing ntfs drives 2. Placing icons on the Kubuntu desktop The search for /etc/fstab is sort of secondary, it seems to me. Now, this is the place where I am helpful, except that I opened this session in Ubuntu just for giggles, and I don't remember what has to be done in Kubuntu to accomplish these two things. If someone could help her out, that would be great. Otherwise, I'll be in Kubuntu later and maybe I can help. stew From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 01:11:08 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:11:08 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: I understand all this already. My problem is that I cannot seem to mount my disks, which are ntfs. Okay, I will walk you thru it. I go to System Settings, Disk and Filesystems, first of all. They are listed there, in all their glory. I mount them, seemingly successfully, they appear on my desktop, I try to go into them to see the files, and it tells me I don't have root permission. Marti > From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:20:26 -0400 > > On Monday 17 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND > > new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be > > intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the > > etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. > > Not there. > > Troy probably hit it. It's a file, not a folder, so it will be further down. > I'm 100% positive you have an /etc/fstab file. > > Why are we looking for it again? > > Anyway, it sounds like part of the problem is you need to come to grips with > the Unix way of handling filesystems, compared with the DOS way, which has > continued forward to be the Windows way. > > The DOS/Windows way is really stupid. You install a new hard drive, or > repartition an old one, and now what was F: is now G:, and G: is now H: and > blah blah. You have to update links to everything when you change something, > and this is particularly evil in the age of the Registry. > > The Unix way is utterly different, and mind-boggling at first, but it makes so > much more sense at the end of the day. When you boot, you have to tell the > kernel where to find the root partition. This becomes the / directory, and > this is the base of the entire tree. Everything else will be mounted on this > tree somewhere. A mountpoint is simply a directory. When you mount a > filesystem volume (hard disk partition, CD, DVD, USB stick, etc.) onto the > directory (um, directory and folder mean the same thing) it becomes the path > through which you access the contents of the volume. > > Thus instead of F:\My Files\Foo you might wind up with something > like /media/hdb6/My Files/Foo on your Linux system. > > I'm not sure what all the hullabaloo about not putting icons for your > partitions is though. This is certainly possible. I guess I'm thinking of > KNOPPIX where I've seen the desktop come up with links > to /media/hdb6, /media/hda4 and whatever. Probably that configuration option > they're all telling you about, but I don't use graphical froo froo for > managing my filesystems as a rule, and I can't relate to how you next > generation people think. > > > -- > D. 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Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Burgess" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Thanks for those instructions; I think I'm one step further now, but I've run into another error message. After I followed the directions you (Fredre) gave, it went through the loading process until I got a screen with the following message: [106.86000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. It repeated this line 9 times over about 5 minutes, with a difference xxx.xxxxxx combination in the brackets at the front. By the last one, it sounded like the CD had stopped spinning, so I pressed my power button to reboot. When I did that, it went back to the "Kubuntu" screen, popped the CD out, and shut down. What do I do now? Thanks to all for their help! PS - I've said CD, but it's actually a DVD; does it make a difference? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredre Hattingh" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Hi, Sorry for the wrong instructions earlier. The solution i found was located here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/99757 jerrylamos wrote on 2007-06-13: (permalink) There are a couple fixes which work for some people. See my post "Workarounds" in "Installation & Upgrades" in ubuntuforums.org. The first one to try is when you boot the CD Live disk and get boot options, push F6 At the end of the line after quiet splash, add: break=top which should look like: .........quiet splash break=top What is supposed to happen is that the boot will stop with a command line before getting the "can't access tty". Then enter modprobe piix presuming that works, then enter exit I have no idea what this actually does, except some people report that it works. I forgot about the break=top part. ps. Thats a acer Travelmate (long day) On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > My SATA operation is set to AHCI and the only other option is ATA; to > switch > to that, I need to turn off the Flash Cache Module. Should I change that? > Is > that what you're talking about, or am I looking at the wrong thing? > > Thanks for your help. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Saveker > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:48 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to > auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It > > just > > put the same message back out. > > > > Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with > > anything I didn't know about. > > > > Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Saveker" > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" < > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > > > Fredre Hattingh wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > > > > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > > > > > modprobe piix > > > exit > > > > > > > > > It worked for me > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Fredre > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it > before. > > >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a > > >> good > > >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a > live > > >> CD > > >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > > >> > > >> > > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > > >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > > >> (initramfs) > > >> > > >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > > >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if > > >> you > > >> need > > >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance, > > >> Andrew > > >> -- > > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in > > to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I > > can't remember what I changed though. > > > > Jimbo. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > Jimbo. > > In God we trust, > Everyone else must have an X.509 certificate. > > ________________________________ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 18 01:52:59 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:52:59 -0400 Subject: Installation In-Reply-To: <46EF29C6.3050308@gmail.com> References: <46EF29C6.3050308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709172152.59850.david.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 17 September 2007 9:28:38 pm Michael wrote: > I currently have a dual boot system with XP on hda1 on Debian 4.0 on > hdb1. I am wanting to install Kubuntu on my second hard drive, > replacing Debian. I am experimenting/practicing installing 7.04 on a > second computer but can't seem to accomplish my goal. The Debian > install has a bunch of different mount points, where K/Ubuntu, afaict, > only use two - a swap and the root . . . ? > > I want Kubuntu to use the same directory structure that Debian uses. My > goal is to keep my /home/users directories intact. How would I go about > doing this? take note of the partitions /, /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var are on in your case /hdb1=/ 5=/usr, 6=var, 8=tmp, and 9=/home. Then during the install you will be presented with partition options, choose the "custom" the next screen will show you the same partition list. click on each partition and click on "edit" and set the mount point to the same mount point as what you had written down previously and choose to format all the partitions *EXCEPT* your /home partition. (hdb9) -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 18 01:55:42 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:55:42 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709172155.42343.david.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 17 September 2007 7:09:58 pm Marti Andrews wrote: > I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND > new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be > intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the > etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. > Not there. Open a terminal, what do you get if you type: cat /etc/fstab? What about: whereis fstab or sudo find / -name fstab? -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 18 01:57:06 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:57:06 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709172157.06650.david.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 17 September 2007 7:09:58 pm Marti Andrews wrote: > I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND > new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be > intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the > etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. > Not there. Oh, by the way, fstab is a file in the /etc folder, it is not a folder. That is why your not finding it, you're looking for a folder and not a file. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From cms0009 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 04:34:12 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:34:12 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader Message-ID: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, why is that... example a pdf file, would only print to half of the page, and at 100%, but adobe reader would print to more than 3/4 of the page, at 100 % Now it both are at 100% for size..then what is going on in the print? very odd. Anyone ? Thanks - Richard From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Tue Sep 18 05:54:31 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:54:31 +0200 Subject: Weeding out duplicate odt/doc files (almost fully solved...) In-Reply-To: <46DD67EE.3010008@michaelzoet.de> References: <46DCF95A.8060407@bluewin.ch> <46DD67EE.3010008@michaelzoet.de> Message-ID: <46EF6817.3000804@bluewin.ch> Thank for your help, Michael. I've tested Komparator and it seems to be just right for my purpose. Michael Zoet wrote: > There are some nice tools to get the work done: > > cmp - compare two files byte by byte on the command line > > diff - compare files line by line on the command line > > Please see "man cmp" and "man diff" for the full feature set. > > These are the old school Unix tools every Unix/Linux system should have. > > With diff you can compare hole directories: > > diff > > With compare you have to provide every file by hand. Or make use of a > loop (for, while, etc.) on the command line or write a shell script. > > If you like GUIs more: last week I stumpled over a KDE programm called > "komparator": > > "Komparator is a KDE application that allows the user to search two > directories and synchronize them interactively. Unlike other (command > line) tools the user has intuitive control over what is done." > > I tested it once and it seems to work. Install it with "sudo apt-get > install komparator". > > Also there are two other tools specializing in directory and file > synchronisation: > > rsync - command line only. Install it with "sudo apt-get install rsync" > > unison - command line and GUI programm. Install it with "sudo apt-get > install unison" for the command line and "sudo apt-get install > unison-gtk" for the GUI version. > > ATTENTION: please read the manual pages before using rsync or unison > and make backup copies of the directories for the first use. If you do > something wrong you might delete your files! > > For your problem I would use unison. > > Greetings, > > Michael > > P.S.: the manual page for unision is build in. Type "unison -doc > topics" on a command line to get the topics and "unison -doc tutorial > | less" for the tutorial. John Herron wrote: >> I have this box equipped with a single 40GB harddrive shared by >> Win98SE / SuSE9.2 / Kubuntu 7.04. >> There are two partitions that harbor respectively Kubuntu (hda3 - >> ext3 - 11GB) and SuSE9.2 (hda5 - ext3 - 13GB). >> While the contents of these two partitions differ considerably from >> one another, hda5 still contains several hundred text files (some >> Word docs, some OO odt's) that are identical with files on hda3. >> I'm going to continue working with Kubuntu (my favorite distro) but >> must clear the SuSE partition to make room for other stuff. >> The idea is to delete any duplicate text/doc versions from hda5 >> (SuSE) and move all the non-duplicate ones to hda3 (Kubuntu) before I >> reformat hda5. >> For good measure I've backed up the /home folders of both distros and >> some other items like e.g. Thunderbird profiles. >> My question: is there a good way of determining which text/doc files >> are identical across the two distros (by filename and modification >> date, or by content), short of doing it manually? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 06:14:42 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:14:42 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> On 18/09/2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > In any case, why can I not configure Alt+Shift to switch layouts? I've > > It was an interesting quest. I tried hacking the "kdeglobals" file to put > Alt+Shift in by hand, since it was impossible to arrive at that using only > the GUI. > > No dice. I can't figure it out. It seems this mechanism simply considers > shift and alt to be modifier keys, and they can only be used in conjunction > with a non-modifier key. > > I don't guess it has to be that way, but I don't know where to begin hacking > to try to change this. KDE? X11? Something else? > > Seems to me your friend is going to have to get over it. May I suggest > something like Alt+Shift+Space or Alt+Shift+Z that's easy to whack with one > hand? No dice. I've got her on Gnome for now, but we both dislike Gnome. The keyboard shortcut is _that_ important. Yes, Gnome works with Shift+Alt. > I know the kind of user you're dealing with. I'm glad to be rid of the last > of mine, to be honest about it. Except my wife, actually. She grew up on > Linux though, so when I put Vista on her machine to play with (long story) > she was totally pissed off about Windows having everything where she couldn't > find it in plain sight. She DEMANDED that I expunge that madness > immediately, and switch her back to Kubuntu. > > I complied. :) > > Anyway, sorry I failed my little quest. On the bright side, I've been using > KDE since 2.1, and I never once investigated the keyboard shortcut > configuration bit. I've been changing layouts with the damn icon for years > (on Windows too.) If I had a nickel for every pointless mouse motion... Bug filed: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149958 Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Sep 18 06:22:30 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:22:30 +0300 Subject: kde-look.org downloads open in kate Message-ID: <200709180922.30855.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Hi, I have an annoying problem on my kubuntu 7.04. Much of the time I want to download something (like a karamba theme) from kde-look.org the download opens by default in Kate. Of course it becomes useless, I have to reopen the page in Firefox to get it.... How do I change that behaviour? -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Tue Sep 18 06:27:04 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:27:04 +0200 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! Message-ID: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze accounting program called Banana. It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) and an installable version on an original CD. To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed wine 0.9.83 via adept. However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how to use it. KDE app menus show the following options: Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I seem to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). 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However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how to use it. KDE app menus show the following options: Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I seem to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). I'm rather confused on what to do to try and get this Banana application running in Wine. Can anyone help? Any newbie-speak suggestions will be thankfully appreciated. jdh _________________ kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 06:32:06 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:32:06 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> >I try to go into them to see the files, and it tells me I don't > have root permission. Marti, stick with this thread - the fstab file is where you set permissions to various mountpoints, so it's important that you find it. From a terminal: locate fstab *should* show you where it is. Then get back to us. hth /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 06:34:52 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:34:52 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! Message-ID: <200709180834.52101.donn.ingle@gmail.com> (Second send; kmail is suffering to and from gmail and I can't be sure this went to the list) Lo, I took a stab, just now, at this samba lark and (like the last few times over a couple of years) that I have tried it, I only get so far and grind to a halt. I followed a thread on the ubuntu forums and on the Kubuntu side of things it all goes swimmingly. [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605] On XP Home I set my interface to WINS (whatever the heck that is) and reboot the machine, all per the thread's info. After that I try to map a network drive and I enter the folder (\\myhostname\Myfiles) and hit Finish. This is where the problem happens, it asks me for a username and password. Now, I had set that up (I thought) on Kubuntu to be 'donn' and 'ok' (just to test things), but whatever I enter in that window does nothing. It flashes away for a microsecond and comes right back again. I have tried changing the password (back on Kubuntu with smbpasswd to emulate variously, my Kubuntu password and my Windows password (blank) but nothing works. Anyone have any clues? /d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 06:37:08 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:37:08 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would suggest that you ask at the KDE lists or IRC. Maybe a KDE Dev might have an idea? I am sure they would want to know about Gnome beating them. LOL Douglas On 9/18/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 18/09/2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Monday 17 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > In any case, why can I not configure Alt+Shift to switch layouts? I've > > > > It was an interesting quest. I tried hacking the "kdeglobals" file to put > > Alt+Shift in by hand, since it was impossible to arrive at that using only > > the GUI. > > > > No dice. I can't figure it out. It seems this mechanism simply considers > > shift and alt to be modifier keys, and they can only be used in conjunction > > with a non-modifier key. > > > > I don't guess it has to be that way, but I don't know where to begin hacking > > to try to change this. KDE? X11? Something else? > > > > Seems to me your friend is going to have to get over it. May I suggest > > something like Alt+Shift+Space or Alt+Shift+Z that's easy to whack with one > > hand? > > No dice. I've got her on Gnome for now, but we both dislike Gnome. The > keyboard shortcut is _that_ important. Yes, Gnome works with > Shift+Alt. > > > I know the kind of user you're dealing with. I'm glad to be rid of the last > > of mine, to be honest about it. Except my wife, actually. She grew up on > > Linux though, so when I put Vista on her machine to play with (long story) > > she was totally pissed off about Windows having everything where she couldn't > > find it in plain sight. She DEMANDED that I expunge that madness > > immediately, and switch her back to Kubuntu. > > > > I complied. :) > > > > Anyway, sorry I failed my little quest. On the bright side, I've been using > > KDE since 2.1, and I never once investigated the keyboard shortcut > > configuration bit. I've been changing layouts with the damn icon for years > > (on Windows too.) If I had a nickel for every pointless mouse motion... > > Bug filed: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149958 > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From kassube at gmx.net Tue Sep 18 06:41:56 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:41:56 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> Marti Andrews wrote: > I believe it's Feisty. Is that 7.0.4? OK, so Feisty Fawn it is (=7.04). > I'm still totally new to typing > stuff in the command window, it is so different from Windows! Well, that's how I feel when I boot to Windows - nothing works as expected :) > I still can't find > my other drives, just the one drive that Ubuntu is on. When I installed Kubuntu 7.04 on my laptop, the other partitons were mounted below the /media folder - maybe you have a look there. But there is another option. I read the entire thread again, and I found a mail from Ralph Alvy. He wrote: | Have you made sure you checked this page in the KDE Desktop | Configuration: | | RightClick on Desktop | Configure Desktop | Behavior | Device Icons But there is one thing he didn't tell you: On that page that comes up, you should check the box for "mounted hard disk partitions" (or something similar - this is just my translation) or maybe all boxes. Next hit "apply" and "OK". Then logout of KDE and login again. Now there should be symbols on the desktop for your partitions. If that worked, there is one problem left: you probably can't write to your NTFS partition. However I can't elp you with that problem. Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 06:47:55 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:47:55 +0200 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! In-Reply-To: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> References: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: Have you looked at all the Linux accounting programs? Perhaps that might be easier than setting up wine. I use GNUcash and love it for home and business. It also runs on Windows and Apple if your work computer is not Linux. Here are some others to think about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_accounting_software Douglas On 9/18/07, john d. herron wrote: > > For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze > accounting program called Banana. > It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. > Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) and > an installable version on an original CD. > To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed wine > 0.9.83 via adept. > However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how to > use it. KDE app menus show the following options: > Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine > configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I seem > to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). > I'm rather confused on what to do to try and get this Banana application > running in Wine. Can anyone help? > Any newbie-speak suggestions will be thankfully appreciated. > jdh From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 18 07:03:41 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:03:41 +0100 Subject: Installing/Running a Win98SE accounting app in Wine In-Reply-To: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> References: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20070918080341.103dea4e@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:28:47 +0200 "john d. herron" wrote: > For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze > accounting program called Banana. [snipped] First of all (as the acronym says), Wine Is Not an Emulator. It merely adds a layer which will replicate the calls a Windows program makes to work, when the Windows operating system itself is not being called. Put another way if a program calls upon routines in the Windows operating system itself, it probably won't run under Wine. To test whether a program runs on YOUR setup, the usual way is first to run winecfg from a console (as we are using Kubuntu that would probably be Konsole) which would set up virtual Windows locations. Next, to run Wine and the program of your choice you enter into Konsole a command after the fashion: wine so your command to get Banana on device hda1 working under Wine would probably be: wine /dev/hda1//banana.exe I don't know if it will work, but you might like to try. Wine is developed as an open source project by Codeweavers, and they have incorporated its code into their Crossover series. Crossover Office, for instance, allows Microsoft Office to be run directly in Linux. A side effect of the Crossover series is that it more efficiently runs most Windows programs that are potentially run under Wine. The Crossover series is not free (either in the terms of software libre or no cost), but if Banana is a must-have application for which there is no Linux alternative, its worth considering. More details from: http://www.codeweavers.com/ HTH - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG73hmthMHx1h/UZYRAlnMAKCCHXDHovP9HsTe0EH2E9aodyTycQCeMf+Z 3fSFvQtWd731kOXocdR4hXs= =vOP1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hattingh.fredre at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 07:11:39 2007 From: hattingh.fredre at gmail.com (Fredre Hattingh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:11:39 +0200 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <4CFB234D344349398D57D4EE39B5EFC4@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> <096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> <240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com> <89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170638q3715ce67wb4f1f64e16748f6a@mail.gmail.com> <50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook> <4CFB234D344349398D57D4EE39B5EFC4@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <9ef5f6de0709180011g3455c5c7lb4f8b9169d227fb@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I never experienced that error my self but this thread in the forums looks to be a close match... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=469158 Maybe that can help out? ps. What hardware are you using ? Fredre On 9/18/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > I don't want to be pushy, but can anyone help me with this (problem below)? > I'd really like to give Kubuntu a try! > > Thanks! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Burgess" > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > Thanks for those instructions; I think I'm one step further now, but I've > run into another error message. After I followed the directions you (Fredre) > gave, it went through the loading process until I got a screen with the > following message: > > [106.86000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available > or load failed. > > It repeated this line 9 times over about 5 minutes, with a difference > xxx.xxxxxx combination in the brackets at the front. By the last one, it > sounded like the CD had stopped spinning, so I pressed my power button to > reboot. When I did that, it went back to the "Kubuntu" screen, popped the CD > out, and shut down. What do I do now? > > Thanks to all for their help! > > PS - I've said CD, but it's actually a DVD; does it make a difference? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredre Hattingh" > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > Hi, > > Sorry for the wrong instructions earlier. The solution i found was located > here: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/99757 > > > jerrylamos wrote on 2007-06-13: (permalink) > > There are a couple fixes which work for some people. See my post > "Workarounds" in "Installation & Upgrades" in ubuntuforums.org. > > The first one to try is when you boot the CD Live disk and get boot > options, push F6 > At the end of the line after quiet splash, add: break=top which should > look like: > .........quiet splash break=top > > What is supposed to happen is that the boot will stop with a command > line before getting the "can't access tty". Then enter > modprobe piix > presuming that works, then enter > exit > > I have no idea what this actually does, except some people report that it > works. > > > I forgot about the break=top part. > > ps. Thats a acer Travelmate (long day) > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > > My SATA operation is set to AHCI and the only other option is ATA; to > > switch > > to that, I need to turn off the Flash Cache Module. Should I change that? > > Is > > that what you're talking about, or am I looking at the wrong thing? > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: James Saveker > > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:48 AM > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to > > auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It > > > just > > > put the same message back out. > > > > > > Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess with > > > anything I didn't know about. > > > > > > Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "James Saveker" > > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" < > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM > > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > > > > > > Fredre Hattingh wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > > > > > > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > > > > > > > modprobe piix > > > > exit > > > > > > > > > > > > It worked for me > > > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Fredre > > > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it > > before. > > > >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a > > > >> good > > > >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a > > live > > > >> CD > > > >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > > > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > > > >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > > > >> (initramfs) > > > >> > > > >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > > > >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if > > > >> you > > > >> need > > > >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks in advance, > > > >> Andrew > > > >> -- > > > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > > > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > >> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going in > > > to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I > > > can't remember what I changed though. > > > > > > Jimbo. > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jimbo. > > > > In God we trust, > > Everyone else must have an X.509 certificate. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 07:26:09 2007 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:26:09 +0400 Subject: Installing/Running a Win98SE accounting app in Wine In-Reply-To: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> References: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <46EF7D91.5000201@gmail.com> john d. herron wrote: > For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze > accounting program called Banana. > It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. > Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) > and an installable version on an original CD. > To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed > wine 0.9.83 via adept. > However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how > to use it. KDE app menus show the following options: > Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine > configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I > seem to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). > I'm rather confused on what to do to try and get this Banana > application running in Wine. Can anyone help? > Any newbie-speak suggestions will be thankfully appreciated. > jdh > _________________ > kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB > > > Hello, To run windows application under Linux just run wine from folder where is located. in your case i think you should install Banana from original disk first, and then copy your old working directory from hda1 to new location (probably to ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files). After this is done, try wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files// From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 07:28:59 2007 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:28:59 +0400 Subject: kde-look.org downloads open in kate In-Reply-To: <200709180922.30855.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200709180922.30855.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <46EF7E3B.1010403@gmail.com> Donatas G. wrote: > Hi, I have an annoying problem on my kubuntu 7.04. Much of the time I want to > download something (like a karamba theme) from kde-look.org the download > opens by default in Kate. Of course it becomes useless, I have to reopen the > page in Firefox to get it.... > > How do I change that behaviour? > > Hello, is this happen for all kinds of content(i.e. pictures, karamba themes, zip files)? you can select the program to open downloaded file with in Konqueror > Settings > Configure Konqueror > File Associations From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 07:32:36 2007 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:32:36 +0400 Subject: Installing/Running a Win98SE accounting app in Wine In-Reply-To: <46EF7D91.5000201@gmail.com> References: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> <46EF7D91.5000201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EF7F14.2080004@gmail.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > john d. herron wrote: > >> For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze >> accounting program called Banana. >> It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. >> Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) >> and an installable version on an original CD. >> To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed >> wine 0.9.83 via adept. >> However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how >> to use it. KDE app menus show the following options: >> Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine >> configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I >> seem to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). >> I'm rather confused on what to do to try and get this Banana >> application running in Wine. Can anyone help? >> Any newbie-speak suggestions will be thankfully appreciated. >> jdh >> _________________ >> kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB >> >> >> >> > Hello, > > To run windows application under Linux just run > wine > from folder where is located. > > in your case i think you should install Banana from original disk first, > and then copy your old working directory from hda1 to new location > (probably to ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files). After this is done, try > > wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files// > > as Knapp noted in neighbor thread, i think in the future it is reasonable to search for linux analog for your favorite application. I can advise Kmymoney, it is good double-entry accounting program too. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 06:44:14 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:44:14 +0200 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! In-Reply-To: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> References: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200709180844.14405.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Near a I can tell, from Kubuntu you go to the folder (on windows) where the .exe is, open a konsole and: wine banana.exe hth d/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 08:09:38 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:09:38 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> On 18/09/2007, Knapp wrote: > I would suggest that you ask at the KDE lists or IRC. Maybe a KDE Dev > might have an idea? I am sure they would want to know about Gnome > beating them. LOL > Douglas I don't see it as Gnome "beating them" but I understand how some people might see it that way. I think that bugzilla is the proper place to report it, but if I ever bother to learn to use IRC I might head over to #KDE and mention it. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 08:17:39 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:17:39 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That was intended more as a joke in the spirit of good natured competition. >I don't see it as Gnome "beating them" but I understand how some >people might see it that way. Douglas From paulvarjak at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 08:27:12 2007 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Paul Varjak) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:27:12 +0200 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! In-Reply-To: <200709180844.14405.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> <200709180844.14405.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e33e3860709180127x55b2d595xaabb81e265f5064f@mail.gmail.com> And if at first you need to install it wine setup.exe finish the installation, find the exe of banana and: wine banana.exe I was very surprised and very happy when wine was able to handle the program mp3tagstudio, the best mp3 tagging program all over the world. After trying a lot under linux I decide to stay with this one. Good luck, Paul. From technowizard at gmx.net Tue Sep 18 08:48:20 2007 From: technowizard at gmx.net (Jan Michelsburg) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:48:20 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> Hallo Marti > If that worked, there is one problem left: you probably can't write to > your NTFS partition. However I can't elp you with that problem. You need ntfs-3g and ntfs-config. Install them and then start the "NTFS Configuration Tool" under "System Tools". Activate ntfs-3g for internal and external drives and configure automatically. Now you should habe write access. Jan From pupeno at pupeno.com Tue Sep 18 09:42:18 2007 From: pupeno at pupeno.com (J. Pablo =?iso-8859-1?q?Fern=E1ndez?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:42:18 +0100 Subject: DNS search names In-Reply-To: <46EAB220.2010502@rlknight.com> References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> <46EAB220.2010502@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <200709181042.18413.pupeno@pupeno.com> On Friday 14 September 2007 17:09:04 Rick Knight wrote: > Thilo Six wrote: > > J. Pablo Fernández wrote the following on 14.09.2007 17:14 > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? > >> Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. > >> > >> Thanks. > > > > When /etc is on ext3 then you could lock that file with: > > $ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf > > after editing it. > > > > unlocking with: > > $ sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf > > > > bye > > Try System Settings > Network Settings > Administrator Mode. > > You can change the name search there. If you get your IP from a DHCP > server you can tell the dhcp client to not get nameserver information. > Look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. Actually, I want to get the nameserver information, just not the name search list. -- J. Pablo Fernández (http://pupeno.com) From pupeno at pupeno.com Tue Sep 18 09:44:21 2007 From: pupeno at pupeno.com (J. Pablo =?iso-8859-1?q?Fern=E1ndez?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:44:21 +0100 Subject: DNS search names In-Reply-To: References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: <200709181044.21594.pupeno@pupeno.com> On Friday 14 September 2007 17:01:05 Thilo Six wrote: > J. Pablo Fernández wrote the following on 14.09.2007 17:14 > > > Hello, > > > > How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? > > Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. > > > > Thanks. > > When /etc is on ext3 then you could lock that file with: > $ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf > after editing it. > > unlocking with: > $ sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf > > bye > -- > Thilo > > key: 0x4A411E09 I still want to get the name servers the DHCP server assing to me. The only thing I want is to provide my own namesearch list. -- J. Pablo Fernández (http://pupeno.com) From pupeno at pupeno.com Tue Sep 18 09:49:59 2007 From: pupeno at pupeno.com (J. Pablo =?iso-8859-1?q?Fern=E1ndez?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:49:59 +0100 Subject: DNS search names In-Reply-To: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: <200709181049.59611.pupeno@pupeno.com> On Friday 14 September 2007 16:14:16 J. Pablo Fernández wrote: > Hello, > > How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? > Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. > > Thanks. Note: the dhcp client seems not even trying to get the name search list. Any ideas how to get it? -- J. Pablo Fernández (http://pupeno.com) From k.a.manzoor at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 09:56:28 2007 From: k.a.manzoor at gmail.com (Asad Manzoor) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:56:28 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well Kubuntu uses KDE enviroment and Ubuntu uses Gnome. Both are good it depend son what flavour you prefer. KDE contains lots of apps and hence takes a bit longer to load than ubuntu. I used to used KDE and then I decided to use Gnome so inistalled Ubuntu. its not hard to mount ntfs drives, I had to do it in manually in unbuntu. I dont know what verison of ubuntu your are using, but go here. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty or http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper On 15/09/2007, msmarti58 wrote: > > I am completely new to Linux, and following PC Magazine's tips, installed > Ubuntu with no problems. However, I was curious about Kubuntu, so I deleted > Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu. Well once I did that I could not mount my > other ntfs drives. With Ubuntu, they showed up automatically on my desktop. > I just wondered what the difference is. I won't be using Kubuntu, it's too > complicated for me. I am strictly a Windows user, for the most part. I don't > know how to do things in the command window or any of that. > > > > Thanks! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Tue Sep 18 10:41:19 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:41:19 +0100 Subject: Midi files In-Reply-To: <200709171921.39138.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <20070917155827.7300f311.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <46EEADFD.6070804@gmail.com> <20070917175251.019998dd.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709171921.39138.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <20070918114119.9951db93.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:21:39 -0400 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2007, Neil Winchurst wrote: > > Please check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg > > > freepats.cfg.dpkg-new > > timidity.cfg.dpkg-new > > My (born as Ubuntu Studio) box has these without the ".dpkg-new" extensions. > I'm not sure where that came from. Broken package? Some manual config step > you're supposed to do? > > I have no idea, but I'd start by renaming those to freepats.cfg and > timidity.cfg and see if that did the trick. > OK, thanks, That worked. To play safe I copied the files to the new names so that all four are now available. > Once you get TiMidity working, you can also start it as an ALSA synth client, > and then play it with Rosegarden. If you want to twiddle the MIDI files, for > example. Or you can use QSynth instead. QSynth sounds better IMHO, but it's > more involved to get noise the first time. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > I will have a look at all that later. Meanwhile, I can now play midi files. Thanks Neil From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:34:45 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:34:45 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> Rick said the following on 09/18/2007 12:34 AM: > I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, > it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, > why is that... > > example a pdf file, would only print to half of the page, > and at 100%, but adobe reader would print to more than 3/4 of the page, > at 100 % > > Now it both are at 100% for size..then what is going on > in the print? very odd. Same problem here .. it's a reason to keep adobe even though it spys on us. I never found a fix. regards, From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:44:53 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:44:53 -0400 Subject: kde4 not working Message-ID: <46EFBA35.5060806@gmail.com> I keep seeing reviews of kde4 so wanted to try it. I installed the packages per kubuntu.org and logged into to the full session. However, I don't get the desktop, just a window with a clipboard in the upper left corner, a new wallpaper, a taskbar with two boxes on it across the bottom .. within the boxes are words saying it could not render properly. There's no menu button. A mouse right click just gives a brief menu with the run dialog being the only thing useful. It's nothing functional or able to be tested. Yet, I still am seeing more and more reviews of kde4, so perhaps I'm doing something wrong. Has anyone been able to get a full (testable) session running from the packages from kubuntu.org? Did you have to do anything different than the instructions listed there? From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:52:16 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:52:16 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> On 18/09/2007, Knapp wrote: > That was intended more as a joke in the spirit of good natured competition. > > >I don't see it as Gnome "beating them" but I understand how some > >people might see it that way. > > Douglas Understood. One of the few things that I don't like about Ubuntu is the childish attitude of many members of the community. The Ubuntu forms are full of "KDE sucks" or "Mplayer sucks" or other infintile declarations of opinion. I was suprised to see a similar reaction from you, Knapp, and was a bit frightened that such attitudes were spreading in the community. I don't use Gnome, but I'll not flatly declare that Gnome, or Windows, or any other software product "sucks". Dell hardware, on the other hand, might soon find itself with such a label from myself... (just kidding) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 18 11:54:19 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:54:19 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <9ef5f6de0709180011g3455c5c7lb4f8b9169d227fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com><46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org><096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook><240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com><89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook><9ef5f6de0709170638q3715ce67wb4f1f64e16748f6a@mail.gmail.com><50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook><4CFB234D344349398D57D4EE39B5EFC4@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709180011g3455c5c7lb4f8b9169d227fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the link; being a complete beginner, I didn't understand most of it, but I'll read it again later when I have a bit more time. It seemed that the problem there happened after they'd loaded Linux, but I can't even do that . I have a Intel Core 2 Duo CPU T5250 @ 1.50GHz processor, with 2GB of RAM. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredre Hattingh" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD Hi, I never experienced that error my self but this thread in the forums looks to be a close match... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=469158 Maybe that can help out? ps. What hardware are you using ? Fredre On 9/18/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > I don't want to be pushy, but can anyone help me with this (problem > below)? > I'd really like to give Kubuntu a try! > > Thanks! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Burgess" > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > Thanks for those instructions; I think I'm one step further now, but I've > run into another error message. After I followed the directions you > (Fredre) > gave, it went through the loading process until I got a screen with the > following message: > > [106.86000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not > available > or load failed. > > It repeated this line 9 times over about 5 minutes, with a difference > xxx.xxxxxx combination in the brackets at the front. By the last one, it > sounded like the CD had stopped spinning, so I pressed my power button to > reboot. When I did that, it went back to the "Kubuntu" screen, popped the > CD > out, and shut down. What do I do now? > > Thanks to all for their help! > > PS - I've said CD, but it's actually a DVD; does it make a difference? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredre Hattingh" > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > Hi, > > Sorry for the wrong instructions earlier. The solution i found was located > here: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/99757 > > > jerrylamos wrote on 2007-06-13: (permalink) > > There are a couple fixes which work for some people. See my post > "Workarounds" in "Installation & Upgrades" in ubuntuforums.org. > > The first one to try is when you boot the CD Live disk and get boot > options, push F6 > At the end of the line after quiet splash, add: break=top which should > look like: > .........quiet splash break=top > > What is supposed to happen is that the boot will stop with a command > line before getting the "can't access tty". Then enter > modprobe piix > presuming that works, then enter > exit > > I have no idea what this actually does, except some people report that it > works. > > > I forgot about the break=top part. > > ps. Thats a acer Travelmate (long day) > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > > My SATA operation is set to AHCI and the only other option is ATA; to > > switch > > to that, I need to turn off the Flash Cache Module. Should I change > > that? > > Is > > that what you're talking about, or am I looking at the wrong thing? > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: James Saveker > > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:48 AM > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > Go into the BIOS and change the SATA operation from RAID only to > > auto-detect. My problem, same as yours, went away instantly. > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Fredre: I tried typing that in, but it didn't seem to do anything. It > > > just > > > put the same message back out. > > > > > > Jimbo: I looked around in the BIOS a bit, but I didn't want to mess > > > with > > > anything I didn't know about. > > > > > > Thanks for your help. Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "James Saveker" > > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" < > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 AM > > > Subject: Re: Problems with a live CD > > > > > > > > > Fredre Hattingh wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I had the same problem with my Dell TravelMate 5320. > > > > > > > > You can try typing when in the shell that you get: > > > > > > > > modprobe piix > > > > exit > > > > > > > > > > > > It worked for me > > > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Fredre > > > > > > > > On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'm really new to Kubuntu, and actually Linux; I've never used it > > before. > > > >> Recently I've wanted to give it a try and heard that Kubuntu was a > > > >> good > > > >> flavour (is that what you call it?) to start with. I burnt myself a > > live > > > >> CD > > > >> and tried to boot from it, but I got the following error message: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) > > > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands > > > >> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off > > > >> (initramfs) > > > >> > > > >> Can anyone tell me what this means and what to do to fix it? It was > > > >> suggested to me that it might be a hardware compatibility issue; if > > > >> you > > > >> need > > > >> any of that kind of info, just let me know. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks in advance, > > > >> Andrew > > > >> -- > > > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > > > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > >> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I had the same problem on my Dell Dimension. I resolved it by going > > > in > > > to the BIOS and changing the RAID config around.. for the life of me I > > > can't remember what I changed though. > > > > > > Jimbo. > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jimbo. > > > > In God we trust, > > Everyone else must have an X.509 certificate. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From stdin at stdin.me.uk Tue Sep 18 12:09:24 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:09:24 +0100 Subject: kde4 not working In-Reply-To: <46EFBA35.5060806@gmail.com> References: <46EFBA35.5060806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EFBFF4.5030608@stdin.me.uk> Paul S wrote: > I keep seeing reviews of kde4 so wanted to try it. I installed the > packages per kubuntu.org and logged into to the full session. However, > I don't get the desktop, just a window with a clipboard in the upper > left corner, a new wallpaper, a taskbar with two boxes on it across the > bottom .. within the boxes are words saying it could not render > properly. There's no menu button. A mouse right click just gives a > brief menu with the run dialog being the only thing useful. It's > nothing functional or able to be tested. Yet, I still am seeing more > and more reviews of kde4, so perhaps I'm doing something wrong. Has > anyone been able to get a full (testable) session running from the > packages from kubuntu.org? Did you have to do anything different than > the instructions listed there? > > > This has been asked about before on this list, see my reply[1] Terence [1] From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 12:23:30 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:23:30 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709180823.30447.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Paul S wrote: >Rick said the following on 09/18/2007 12:34 AM: >> I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, >> it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, >> why is that... >> >> example a pdf file, would only print to half of the page, >> and at 100%, but adobe reader would print to more than 3/4 of the page, >> at 100 % >> >> Now it both are at 100% for size..then what is going on >> in the print? very odd. > >Same problem here .. it's a reason to keep adobe even though it spys on >us. I never found a fix. > >regards, That comment prompted me to fire up the new 8.1.1 version of the reader, after starting a tcpdump session just to see what traffic it might generate. I opened a local file for display and paged through it some, and not a single byte went out to the network from my machine that wasn't related to fetchmail and spamassassin activity. Over a period of several minutes. So I believe that comment to be unfounded paranoia. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The computer is to the information industry roughly what the central power station is to the electrical industry. -- Peter Drucker From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:25:48 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:25:48 -0400 Subject: knetworkmanager issues Message-ID: <2759cf860709180525k58f384c0pd5c4b840b6fdc50b@mail.gmail.com> I seem to be having some issues with networkmanager. I'm working off a laptop with both wired and wireless (ipw3945) connections. The wireless is setup and connected without any security or anything - just a straight connection and the connection seems fine. I need to be able to connect to a vpn for work. There are two vpn solutions: cisco's vpnc and an openvpn connection. In the past I've had issues with the interaction between networkmanager and the openvpn connection. Mainly, the openvpn connection seems to keep getting reset by networkmanager. I figured that the approved networkmanger-openvpn plugin would help in this regard, but for some reason network manager keeps thinking that I have no active device. So, the question is, how do I get my clearly active device that's connected to the net seen under network manager? Thanks, Jared From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 12:30:31 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:30:31 -0400 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! In-Reply-To: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> References: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200709180830.31185.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, john d. herron wrote: >For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze >accounting program called Banana. >It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. >Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) >and an installable version on an original CD. >To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed wine >0.9.83 via adept. >However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how to >use it. KDE app menus show the following options: >Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine >configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I >seem to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). >I'm rather confused on what to do to try and get this Banana application >running in Wine. Can anyone help? >Any newbie-speak suggestions will be thankfully appreciated. >jdh >_________________ >kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB AIUI, and I've not used it more than once or twice as I've never run windows just to get a job done, you treat wine like it was a shell, using syntax something like: #> wine name-of-program-to-run Which may not be 100% correct, but I believe that is the general idea. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift? A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register. From stew.schneider at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:31:21 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:31:21 -0400 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <200709180834.52101.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709180834.52101.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EFC519.8080400@gmail.com> Hi Donn Your first post made it, but gmail won't echo it to you. Drives everybody nutz. Everybody but you sees your post. stew Donn wrote: > (Second send; kmail is suffering to and from gmail and I can't be sure this > went to the list) > Lo, > I took a stab, just now, at this samba lark and (like the last few times over > a couple of years) that I have tried it, I only get so far and grind to a > halt. > > I followed a thread on the ubuntu forums and on the Kubuntu side of things it > all goes swimmingly. > [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605] > > On XP Home I set my interface to WINS (whatever the heck that is) and reboot > the machine, all per the thread's info. After that I try to map a network > drive and I enter the folder (\\myhostname\Myfiles) and hit Finish. This is > where the problem happens, it asks me for a username and password. > > Now, I had set that up (I thought) on Kubuntu to be 'donn' and 'ok' (just to > test things), but whatever I enter in that window does nothing. It flashes > away for a microsecond and comes right back again. I have tried changing the > password (back on Kubuntu with smbpasswd to emulate variously, my Kubuntu > password and my Windows password (blank) but nothing works. > > Anyone have any clues? > > /d > > From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:25:20 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:25:20 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > Now, I had set that up (I thought) on Kubuntu to be 'donn' and 'ok' (just > to test things), but whatever I enter in that window does nothing. It > flashes away for a microsecond and comes right back again. I have tried > changing the password (back on Kubuntu with smbpasswd to emulate > variously, my Kubuntu password and my Windows password (blank) but nothing > works. > > Anyone have any clues? Yes. I think... Which way are you trying to go? I think you're trying to read files on the XP system from the Linux system, in which case, it's got nothing to do with smbpasswd. smbpasswd that sets the username/password that Windows clients will use to access the linux box. The username/password for the Linux client to access the Windows boxen is set in KDE System Settings/Sharing/Local Network Browsing. However, iirc, SMB is NOT capable of using blank passwords. If you are going to restrict shares to specific users you MUST give the user a password. This isn't a Linux Samba restriction, it's a Windows SMB restriction. If your file access is in the other direction, it's generally easier... -- derek From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:55:32 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:55:32 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709172020.26911.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Okay, done this. Able to mount internal ntfs, not external usb ntfs. > From: donn.ingle at gmail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:32:06 +0200 > CC: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com > > >I try to go into them to see the files, and it tells me I don't > > have root permission. > Marti, stick with this thread - the fstab file is where you set permissions to > various mountpoints, so it's important that you find it. > > From a terminal: > locate fstab > > *should* show you where it is. > > Then get back to us. > > hth > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:07:04 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:07:04 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181507.04893.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On 18/9/2007, Marti Andrews wrote: > Okay, done this. Able to mount internal ntfs, not external usb ntfs. > Did you get ntfs-config? If not you can download it with adept, synaptic or, in konsole. sudo apt-get install ntfs-config We'll go from there after you've done that. -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:58:30 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:58:30 -0300 Subject: DNS search names References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> <200709181049.59611.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: J. Pablo Fernández wrote: > On Friday 14 September 2007 16:14:16 J. Pablo Fernández wrote: >> Hello, >> >> How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? >> Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. >> >> Thanks. > > Note: the dhcp client seems not even trying to get the name search list. > Any ideas how to get it? > request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope; is the default in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:30:24 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:30:24 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Marti Andrews wrote: > I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND > new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be > intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the > etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. > Not there. Oh, oh. This looks like a nasty bit of handholding that someone thought was a feature. >From a terminal session (I trust you can start konsole), try: cat /etc/fstab and if that shows you something: sudo rm /etc/.hidden -v sudo rm /.hidden -v It's like Windows - they don't think you should be able to see "System" files, and someone in KDE development actually thought that was a good thing. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:53:26 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:53:26 -0300 Subject: Installing/Running a Win98SE accounting app in Wine References: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> <20070918080341.103dea4e@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <6bu4s4-j3n.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Graham wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:28:47 +0200 > "john d. herron" wrote: > >> For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze >> accounting program called Banana. > [snipped] > > First of all (as the acronym says), Wine Is Not an Emulator. That's not at all helpful. Even the Wine developers rarely actually say that. imo, Wine IS an emulator. The people who say it isn't simply qualify their opinion by considering an emulator to mean "hardware emulator". Wine provides a linux implementation of the Windows API, allowing Linux to _emulate_ at least a large part of Windows. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:34:03 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:34:03 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nils Kassube wrote: > But there is one thing he didn't tell you: On that page that comes up, you > should check the box for "mounted hard disk partitions" (or something > similar - this is just my translation) or maybe all boxes. You can, but it really isn't necessary. > If that worked, there is one problem left: you probably can't write to > your NTFS partition. However I can't elp you with that problem. imo, nobody can. I ran the ntfs-3g filesystem driver for a year or so, and it eventually corrupted the ntfs partition. Even after fixing the partition I was unable to read from it. I went back to using the readonly driver and have no trouble. -- derek From manchicken at notsosoft.net Tue Sep 18 13:24:00 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:24:00 -0500 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860709180127x55b2d595xaabb81e265f5064f@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> <200709180844.14405.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <5e33e3860709180127x55b2d595xaabb81e265f5064f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709180824.00874.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 03:27:12 Paul Varjak wrote: > And if at first you need to install it > > wine setup.exe > > finish the installation, find the exe of banana and: > > wine banana.exe > > I was very surprised and very happy when wine was able to handle the > program mp3tagstudio, the best mp3 tagging program all over the world. > After trying a lot under linux I decide to stay with this one. > > Good luck, > Paul. And good news, you don't even have to hit the command-line. Just open the folder that has the executables in it with the file manager program (for now it is Konqueror) and then click on them. I hope this helps. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:49:19 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:49:19 -0300 Subject: -> Kubuntu list !!! References: <46EF6FB8.6090506@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: john d. herron wrote: > For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze > accounting program called Banana. > It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. > Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) > and an installable version on an original CD. > To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed wine > 0.9.83 via adept. Wow. I've only got 0.9.45 and I got it from winehq! I expect it's actually 0.9.33, which is in universe :-) > However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how to > use it. KDE app menus show the following options: In a terminal: # env WINEPREFIX=~/banana wineprefixcreate # env WINEPREFIX=~/banana wine "D:\setup.exe" (or whatever the install program is called on the CD) In most cases, that will actually be enough to put an icon on your desktop. If it doesn't, # env WINEPREFIX=~/banana wine "C:\Program Files\Banana\banana.exe" is pretty likely to be close to the command to actually run the program. Note, most HOWTOs probably don't bother with the WINEPREFIX business, but I like to keep every wine install in its own sandbox (or "wine bottle" as CodeWeavers call it). Note also, the Wine Application database and winehq.org almost certainly has more specific instructions for banana, if there are banana users telling you that it runs well in Wine (somehow, bananas and wine just take me back to my early days making fruit wines, and I really don't want to go there...). btw, please use more descriptive subject lines. Many people would just delete a thread with a title like this, unread. I would on a busier day... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 12:57:00 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:57:00 -0300 Subject: DNS search names References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> <200709181044.21594.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: J. Pablo Fernández wrote: > On Friday 14 September 2007 17:01:05 Thilo Six wrote: >> J. Pablo Fernández wrote the following on 14.09.2007 17:14 >> >> > How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? >> > Modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten. >> > > > I still want to get the name servers the DHCP server assing to me. The > only thing I want is to provide my own namesearch list. You want to modify /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; will put 127.0.0.1 as the first name server, then the DHCP assigned ones following. Obviously, you can specify another IP, and you can also use "append" to have your server searched last (not that I can think why you would!). -- derek From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:30:53 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:30:53 -0400 Subject: kde4 not working In-Reply-To: <46EFBFF4.5030608@stdin.me.uk> References: <46EFBA35.5060806@gmail.com> <46EFBFF4.5030608@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <46EFD30D.7000301@gmail.com> Terence Simpson said the following on 09/18/2007 08:09 AM: > This has been asked about before on this list, see my reply[1] Thanks .. sorry I missed this before. I'll wait like everyone else. regards, From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 18 13:33:58 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:33:58 -0500 Subject: Installing/Running a Win98SE accounting app in Wine In-Reply-To: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> References: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <46EFD3C6.1070904@swbell.net> john d. herron wrote: > For many years I've used a simple but efficient double-entry Windoze > accounting program called Banana. > It is said (by users who've tried) to run well on top of Wine. > Have a working version of it in a dedicated folder on /hda1 (Win98SE) > and an installable version on an original CD. > To try it out in my current Kubuntu 7.04 environment I've installed wine > 0.9.83 via adept. > However, haven't found any (to me) understandable instructions on how to > use it. KDE app menus show the following options: > Wine file, Wine help browser + Wine notepad (in Utilities); Wine > configuration + Wine RegEdit (in Settings); and (but that's not what I > seem to be needing right now...) Wine Software Uninstaller (in System). > I'm rather confused on what to do to try and get this Banana application > running in Wine. Can anyone help? > Any newbie-speak suggestions will be thankfully appreciated. > jdh > _________________ > kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB > > > I don't know if i do it right or not, but............... I open Winefile. [ It's like filemanager/Windows Explorer - sorta ] Find the installation program I want to try to install and double click [ Windows remember ]. I usually get a shortcut on the desktop when it's done. Don't hold your breath that it's gonna work. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:35:25 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:35:25 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181507.04893.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181507.04893.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: Indeed I did. It only found the one drive when I ran it and I mounted the internal hard drive okay. Now I am trying to edit fstab but it says I don't have write access. Not in the konsole, I don't know how to do that. I am giving up for now. I have been up all night. > From: lanzenesi at gmail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:07:04 +0200 > > On 18/9/2007, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > Okay, done this. Able to mount internal ntfs, not external usb ntfs. > > > > Did you get ntfs-config? If not you can download it with adept, synaptic or, > in konsole. > > sudo apt-get install ntfs-config > > We'll go from there after you've done that. > > -- > lanzen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 13:37:53 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:37:53 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: First, don't top post, for 2 reasons. One, this isn't a windows list so we don't expect to see much from OE and its crippled output, and two, it screws with the normal flow of a conversation. Use the down arrow and put your answer below the question as its common netiquite(sp?). >Okay, done this. Able to mount internal ntfs, not external usb ntfs. > Do you have usb-storage showing in an lsmod output? >> From: donn.ingle at gmail.com >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:32:06 +0200 >> CC: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com >> >> >I try to go into them to see the files, and it tells me I don't >> > have root permission. >> >> Marti, stick with this thread - the fstab file is where you set >> permissions to various mountpoints, so it's important that you find it. >> >> From a terminal: >> locate fstab >> >> *should* show you where it is. >> >> Then get back to us. >> >> hth >> /d >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) QOTD: Silence is the only virtue he has left. From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:44:56 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:44:56 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181507.04893.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709180644v11a52052v1f93ae5cc60454fc@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > Indeed I did. It only found the one drive when I ran it and I mounted the > internal hard drive okay. Now I am trying to edit fstab but it says I don't > have write access. Not in the konsole, I don't know how to do that. > > I am giving up for now. I have been up all night. To edit fstab, or any system file for that matter, you need to edit the file with root access. To do this, type this in a Konsole session: kdesu kate /etc/fstab This should bring up a dialog asking for your user password. After you enter your user password, kate (KDE Advanced Text Editor) should come up with the file. From there you should be able to make changes to the file. As for what you need to change, maybe someone else can help you with that. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 18 13:45:31 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:45:31 -0500 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EFD67B.8000208@swbell.net> Paul S wrote: > Rick said the following on 09/18/2007 12:34 AM: >> I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, >> it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, >> why is that... >> >> example a pdf file, would only print to half of the page, >> and at 100%, but adobe reader would print to more than 3/4 of the page, >> at 100 % >> >> Now it both are at 100% for size..then what is going on >> in the print? very odd. > > Same problem here .. it's a reason to keep adobe even though it spys on > us. I never found a fix. > > regards, > > I think a bigger question is why doesn't either one print the whole page per page? Mine always does regardless which I use. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:54:34 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:54:34 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181554.34597.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Yes. I think... Which way are you trying to go? I think you're trying to > read files on the XP system from the Linux system, Yes, kind of. Well, to tell the truth I wanted to have a 2 way street and just see what samba was all about. > in which case, it's got > nothing to do with smbpasswd. smbpasswd that sets the username/password > that Windows clients will use to access the linux box. So, that username/password that XP is asking me for (when trying to map a network drive to //donnsbox/Myfiles is not asking me for my samba password? Seems weird. > The username/password for the Linux client to access the Windows boxen is > set in KDE System Settings/Sharing/Local Network Browsing. Cool, I'm off to visit kcontrol. > However, iirc, > SMB is NOT capable of using blank passwords. If you are going to restrict > shares to specific users you MUST give the user a password. Tah, I'll give my user on XP a password and see what gives. /d From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:00:56 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:00:56 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181507.04893.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181600.56923.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On 18/9/2007, Marti Andrews wrote: > Indeed I did. It only found the one drive when I ran it and I mounted the > internal hard drive okay. Now I am trying to edit fstab but it says I don't > have write access. Not in the konsole, I don't know how to do that. > > I am giving up for now. I have been up all night. > Good night then! ;) In the morning, try sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.back sudo kate /etc/fstab But then again, you shouldn't need the above. Not all usb disks are easily recognised. So, find out what your usb disk name is then: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatevernameyou'vefound /media/winusbmediskie If it doesn't work try adding -o force at the end of the line, like so: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatevernameyou'vefound /media/winusbmediskie -o force (just one line) -- lanzen From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:09:24 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:09:24 +0200 Subject: kde-look.org downloads open in kate In-Reply-To: <46EF7E3B.1010403@gmail.com> References: <200709180922.30855.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <46EF7E3B.1010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: Could also be firefox -> edit -> prefrences -> contents file types manage -> change action Douglas On 9/18/07, Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Donatas G. wrote: > > Hi, I have an annoying problem on my kubuntu 7.04. Much of the time I want to > > download something (like a karamba theme) from kde-look.org the download > > opens by default in Kate. Of course it becomes useless, I have to reopen the > > page in Firefox to get it.... > > > > How do I change that behaviour? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 18 14:12:53 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:12:53 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Marti Andrews wrote: > >> I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND >> new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be >> intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the >> etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. >> Not there. > > Oh, oh. This looks like a nasty bit of handholding that someone thought was > a feature. > >>From a terminal session (I trust you can start konsole), try: > > cat /etc/fstab > > and if that shows you something: > > sudo rm /etc/.hidden -v > sudo rm /.hidden -v > > It's like Windows - they don't think you should be able to see "System" > files, and someone in KDE development actually thought that was a good > thing. Hang in there Marti!! I'm learning a lot with this tread also. Stuff that's sort of bugged me for a long time but wasn't really all that necessary to my own use. Anyway, I did some major digging and found something that might be of help, to both of us. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=137740&highlight=mount+hard+drives I haven't tried it myself yet. I found it late last night and was to tired to trust myself. The one thing it doesn't really explain is how to add the other Linux drive. As has been said, fstab is a file, not a folder. Konqueror has to be told to show "hidden" files and directories/folders. [ View > Show Hidden Files ] -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:14:29 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:14:29 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Nah, I am just too thick to get Samba to work. I tried to monkey-copy-monkey-paste my way through it, but 'taint happening! I have tried every combination of username and password on both sides of the O/S divide and one simply cannot see the other. Can anyone take me by the hand as I aim for: 1. Open an Exploder window on XP and browse a folder on Kubuntu (with rw) 2. Open a Konqy on Kubuntu and browse a folder on XP (with rw) 3. Be secure about it! Any boffins out there? /d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:15:03 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:15:03 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What really drives me nuts is that I use a dvorak keyboard and it comes up as a little USA flag but the others that us the computer use the USA qwerty keyboard. It comes up with, you guessed it, a USA flag. How do you now what you are typing on or choosing? Who designed that? Douglas On 9/18/07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 18/09/2007, Knapp wrote: > > That was intended more as a joke in the spirit of good natured competition. > > > > >I don't see it as Gnome "beating them" but I understand how some > > >people might see it that way. > > > > Douglas > > Understood. One of the few things that I don't like about Ubuntu is > the childish attitude of many members of the community. The Ubuntu > forms are full of "KDE sucks" or "Mplayer sucks" or other infintile > declarations of opinion. I was suprised to see a similar reaction from > you, Knapp, and was a bit frightened that such attitudes were > spreading in the community. I don't use Gnome, but I'll not flatly > declare that Gnome, or Windows, or any other software product "sucks". > > Dell hardware, on the other hand, might soon find itself with such a > label from myself... (just kidding) > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 18 14:23:40 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:23:40 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0709180644v11a52052v1f93ae5cc60454fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181507.04893.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <9bed467e0709180644v11a52052v1f93ae5cc60454fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EFDF6C.5080103@swbell.net> On 09/18/2007 Andrew Jarrett wrote: > To edit fstab, or any system file for that matter, you need to edit > the file with root access. To do this, type this in a Konsole > session: > > kdesu kate /etc/fstab > > Right click on the file you want to edit in Konqueror and choose "Edit as Root" -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:31:00 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:31:00 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> Message-ID: For all you trying to get a better understanding of Linux I suggest that you make a very small partition so that you can duel boot and install Gentoo Linux the long way. You might not get a working system the first time but I guarantee you will learn a LOT! Don't think of this as a one weekend project but a month long one, done one hour at a time. It is fun and the system you end up with will be very fast. (at the cost of lots of hours of your time). It is a great way to learn Linux basics like a true hacker and come to love what Ubuntu has done for you. Douglas On 9/18/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > > >> I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm BRAND > >> new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all be > >> intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to the > >> etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking alphabetically. > >> Not there. > > > > Oh, oh. This looks like a nasty bit of handholding that someone thought was > > a feature. > > > >>From a terminal session (I trust you can start konsole), try: > > > > cat /etc/fstab > > > > and if that shows you something: > > > > sudo rm /etc/.hidden -v > > sudo rm /.hidden -v > > > > It's like Windows - they don't think you should be able to see "System" > > files, and someone in KDE development actually thought that was a good > > thing. > > > Hang in there Marti!! > > I'm learning a lot with this tread also. Stuff that's sort of bugged me > for a long time but wasn't really all that necessary to my own use. > > Anyway, I did some major digging and found something that might be of > help, to both of us. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=137740&highlight=mount+hard+drives > > I haven't tried it myself yet. I found it late last night and was to > tired to trust myself. > > The one thing it doesn't really explain is how to add the other Linux drive. > > As has been said, fstab is a file, not a folder. Konqueror has to be > told to show "hidden" files and directories/folders. [ View > Show > Hidden Files ] > > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:38:54 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:38:54 -0400 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709180738q4764ed83pda7e03cb02fb8294@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Donn wrote: > Nah, I am just too thick to get Samba to work. I tried to > monkey-copy-monkey-paste my way through it, but 'taint happening! > > I have tried every combination of username and password on both sides of the > O/S divide and one simply cannot see the other. > > Can anyone take me by the hand as I aim for: > 1. Open an Exploder window on XP and browse a folder on Kubuntu (with rw) > 2. Open a Konqy on Kubuntu and browse a folder on XP (with rw) > 3. Be secure about it! > > Any boffins out there? > > /d I am not sure if this would stop SMB from working, but are you sure that both computers are on the same domain (i.e. "MSHOME")? IANAE, but it seems like it could make a difference. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 14:29:26 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:29:26 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181554.34597.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6v35s4-58o.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Donn wrote: >> Yes. I think... Which way are you trying to go? I think you're trying >> to read files on the XP system from the Linux system, > Yes, kind of. Well, to tell the truth I wanted to have a 2 way street and > just see what samba was all about. > >> in which case, it's got >> nothing to do with smbpasswd. smbpasswd that sets the username/password >> that Windows clients will use to access the linux box. > So, that username/password that XP is asking me for (when trying to map a > network drive to //donnsbox/Myfiles is not asking me for my samba > password? Seems weird. If "donnsbox" is the linux machine, then yes, it's looking for the username/password set via smbpasswd. When XP is the client, it asks you for the server's (the linux box) username/password. When Linux is the client it asks for the Windows username/password. Of course, both machines could be using the same Domain Controller, in which case the credentials are the same, but lets not confuse things too much! >> The username/password for the Linux client to access the Windows boxen is >> set in KDE System Settings/Sharing/Local Network Browsing. > Cool, I'm off to visit kcontrol. > >> However, iirc, >> SMB is NOT capable of using blank passwords. If you are going to >> restrict shares to specific users you MUST give the user a password. > Tah, I'll give my user on XP a password and see what gives. I can't remember where I know that from, but I'm fairly confident I'm right :-) -- derek From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 18 14:42:10 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:42:10 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net><200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2DB2FEB6DE1B48C9AF0264DF295F88BF@AndrewNotebook> > For all you trying to get a better understanding of Linux I suggest > that you make a very small partition so that you can duel boot and > install Gentoo Linux the long way. You might not get a working system > the first time but I guarantee you will learn a LOT! Don't think of > this as a one weekend project but a month long one, done one hour at a > time. It is fun and the system you end up with will be very fast. (at > the cost of lots of hours of your time). It is a great way to learn > Linux basics like a true hacker and come to love what Ubuntu has done > for you. > Douglas I think I might do that, since I'm completely new to Linux and keep getting crypitc errors when I try boot a Kubuntu live CD. How would I go about that? On 9/18/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > > >> I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm > >> BRAND > >> new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all > >> be > >> intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to > >> the > >> etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking > >> alphabetically. > >> Not there. > > > > Oh, oh. This looks like a nasty bit of handholding that someone thought > > was > > a feature. > > > >>From a terminal session (I trust you can start konsole), try: > > > > cat /etc/fstab > > > > and if that shows you something: > > > > sudo rm /etc/.hidden -v > > sudo rm /.hidden -v > > > > It's like Windows - they don't think you should be able to see "System" > > files, and someone in KDE development actually thought that was a good > > thing. > > > Hang in there Marti!! > > I'm learning a lot with this tread also. Stuff that's sort of bugged me > for a long time but wasn't really all that necessary to my own use. > > Anyway, I did some major digging and found something that might be of > help, to both of us. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=137740&highlight=mount+hard+drives > > I haven't tried it myself yet. I found it late last night and was to > tired to trust myself. > > The one thing it doesn't really explain is how to add the other Linux > drive. > > As has been said, fstab is a file, not a folder. Konqueror has to be > told to show "hidden" files and directories/folders. [ View > Show > Hidden Files ] > > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:51:33 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:51:33 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <6v35s4-58o.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181554.34597.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <6v35s4-58o.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200709181651.33630.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Derek, > If "donnsbox" is the linux machine, then yes, it's looking for the > username/password set via smbpasswd. > When XP is the client, it asks you > for the server's (the linux box) username/password. Okay, that's what I assumed. Kubuntu is running the Samba server. But why will XP not accept my un/pw combo when I try to "map a drive" ? > When Linux is the > client it asks for the Windows username/password. Does that mean I have to get a samba server running on XP in order to reach across from Kubuntu to XP? I am really confused about which way samba goes and how. > Of course, both machines > could be using the same Domain Controller, in which case the credentials > are the same, but lets not confuse things too much! Damn skippy Mr Spock ;D > I can't remember where I know that from, but I'm fairly confident I'm > right :-) I set a un/pwd in that kcontrol place and I still could not get a drive mapped. I (naturally) assume I am being daft! /d From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 18 14:51:51 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:51:51 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> On 09/18/2007 Knapp wrote: > For all you trying to get a better understanding of Linux I suggest > that you make a very small partition so that you can duel boot and > install Gentoo Linux the long way. You might not get a working system > the first time but I guarantee you will learn a LOT! Don't think of > this as a one weekend project but a month long one, done one hour at a > time. It is fun and the system you end up with will be very fast. (at > the cost of lots of hours of your time). It is a great way to learn > Linux basics like a true hacker and come to love what Ubuntu has done > for you. > Douglas What's so special about Gentoo? I went to their website and tried to see what it was about but about all I found was a LOT of braggadocio. Lots of "How great we are" without much actual information. I guess it must be good. Larry the cow thinks it's great. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:52:37 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:52:37 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0709180738q4764ed83pda7e03cb02fb8294@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9bed467e0709180738q4764ed83pda7e03cb02fb8294@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181652.37375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I am not sure if this would stop SMB from working, but are you sure > that both computers are on the same domain (i.e. "MSHOME")? IANAE, > but it seems like it could make a difference. My XP laptop has a workgroup (same thing?) called "HOME". I refer to that in smb.conf. How do I get Kubuntu onto the same "workgroup"? Or is there some better scheme? /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:54:46 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:54:46 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <2DB2FEB6DE1B48C9AF0264DF295F88BF@AndrewNotebook> References: <2DB2FEB6DE1B48C9AF0264DF295F88BF@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <200709181654.46893.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I think I might do that, since I'm completely new to Linux and keep getting > crypitc errors when I try boot a Kubuntu live CD. How would I go about > that? Gentoo? Begin by planting a single bamboo sprout under your chair. Then download and burn the ISO. Begin hacking. Either the bamboo will kill you or Gentoo will -- the question is; which will hurt less? :D Just kidding, I am too scared to go there, but I hear great things about Gentoo and it's ilk. /d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:56:21 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:56:21 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <2DB2FEB6DE1B48C9AF0264DF295F88BF@AndrewNotebook> References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> <2DB2FEB6DE1B48C9AF0264DF295F88BF@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: http://www.gentoo.org/ This is there home page. You just download there live CD and follow the handbook. Please note that his is a big project and you may find it to much as a total newbie! Even if you fail though you will learn something. Think of it as wanting to learn about car repair you get a free kit-car with a good manual. Douglas On 9/18/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > For all you trying to get a better understanding of Linux I suggest > > that you make a very small partition so that you can duel boot and > > install Gentoo Linux the long way. You might not get a working system > > the first time but I guarantee you will learn a LOT! Don't think of > > this as a one weekend project but a month long one, done one hour at a > > time. It is fun and the system you end up with will be very fast. (at > > the cost of lots of hours of your time). It is a great way to learn > > Linux basics like a true hacker and come to love what Ubuntu has done > > for you. > > Douglas > > I think I might do that, since I'm completely new to Linux and keep getting > crypitc errors when I try boot a Kubuntu live CD. How would I go about that? > > On 9/18/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > > >> I don't know, you tell me! Is it hidden or something? Remember, I'm > > >> BRAND > > >> new to all this, I haven't done any reading yet, figuring it should all > > >> be > > >> intuitive. I'm clicking on System Menu, Users Folders, navigating to > > >> the > > >> etc folder, and looking for a folder called fstab. Looking > > >> alphabetically. > > >> Not there. > > > > > > Oh, oh. This looks like a nasty bit of handholding that someone thought > > > was > > > a feature. > > > > > >>From a terminal session (I trust you can start konsole), try: > > > > > > cat /etc/fstab > > > > > > and if that shows you something: > > > > > > sudo rm /etc/.hidden -v > > > sudo rm /.hidden -v > > > > > > It's like Windows - they don't think you should be able to see "System" > > > files, and someone in KDE development actually thought that was a good > > > thing. > > > > > > Hang in there Marti!! > > > > I'm learning a lot with this tread also. Stuff that's sort of bugged me > > for a long time but wasn't really all that necessary to my own use. > > > > Anyway, I did some major digging and found something that might be of > > help, to both of us. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=137740&highlight=mount+hard+drives > > > > I haven't tried it myself yet. I found it late last night and was to > > tired to trust myself. > > > > The one thing it doesn't really explain is how to add the other Linux > > drive. > > > > As has been said, fstab is a file, not a folder. Konqueror has to be > > told to show "hidden" files and directories/folders. [ View > Show > > Hidden Files ] > > > > > > -- > > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > > Billie Walsh > > The three best words in the English Language: > > "I LOVE YOU" > > Pass them on! > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > -- > Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, > doch völlig sinnlos. > -Loriot > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:58:03 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:58:03 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: I don't know what you mean, top post. I thought it meant don't post to the list, one person said to not top post, so I sent it to his email address instead, and then he says I shouldn't have done that either. I just click reply and type. I don't know any other way. This isn't on a website somewhere is it? All these messages come to my email account. Sorry if I was doing something wrong. In any case, I am thru bugging you all. I went back to GNOME. It simply works. It's ugly but it works. On KDE everything was hanging and crashing and not behaving at all well. Why bother? I couldn't even run Second Life, my 3D chat program. I can on GNOME. Marti > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:37:53 -0400 > From: gene.heskett at verizon.net > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: > > First, don't top post, for 2 reasons. One, this isn't a windows list so we > don't expect to see much from OE and its crippled output, and two, it screws > with the normal flow of a conversation. Use the down arrow and put your > answer below the question as its common netiquite(sp?). > > >Okay, done this. Able to mount internal ntfs, not external usb ntfs. > > > Do you have usb-storage showing in an lsmod output? > > >> From: donn.ingle at gmail.com > >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:32:06 +0200 > >> CC: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com > >> > >> >I try to go into them to see the files, and it tells me I don't > >> > have root permission. > >> > >> Marti, stick with this thread - the fstab file is where you set > >> permissions to various mountpoints, so it's important that you find it. > >> > >> From a terminal: > >> locate fstab > >> > >> *should* show you where it is. > >> > >> Then get back to us. > >> > >> hth > >> /d > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > QOTD: > Silence is the only virtue he has left. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:02:57 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:02:57 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net> <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> <46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> Message-ID: I use Kubuntu for a reason! I like to have a nice system made for me but I have installed Gentoo 3 times to learn and as a challenge. What is great about it is that you get to build your own system and thus learn all about your own system and Linux from the ground up. You build a system just for you. Because of this the system is tuned to your computer. All the software is compiled for your computer by your computer and all the settings are set for your computer to run best. All the kernel moduals are just for your computers parts and thus it is small and loads fast. Of course this is provided you really understood what you were setting. Fans of it want their computer to be the fastest it can be or they have special desires that can be easily fulfilled with custom settings or software and they have the skills, time and knowledge to keep it working. Douglas > > What's so special about Gentoo? I went to their website and tried to see > what it was about but about all I found was a LOT of braggadocio. Lots > of "How great we are" without much actual information. > > I guess it must be good. Larry the cow thinks it's great. From cms0009 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:07:13 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181107.13746.cms0009@gmail.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 7:34:45 am Paul S wrote: > Rick said the following on 09/18/2007 12:34 AM: > > I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, > > it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, > > why is that... > > > > example a pdf file, would only print to half of the page, > > and at 100%, but adobe reader would print to more than 3/4 of the page, > > at 100 % > > > > Now it both are at 100% for size..then what is going on > > in the print? very odd. > > Same problem here .. it's a reason to keep adobe even though it spys on > us. I never found a fix. > > regards, Thanks Paul.. Thought it was me.. well just for giggles, how come the boys, at kde, could not find a fix ? (since) we all want to go opensource. Regards - Richard From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:07:46 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:07:46 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: I have gotten evil email about top posting too! I had no clue what they were talking about. At this point I think it means not to write under the first persons text but over it, like I am doing now. Gnome works, if you like it. I run Second Life and all that fine in KDE though. What is a 3d chat program? Douglas PS If I am wrong about this, then everyone has excepted that I am an idiot and stopped sending me evil email. So Marti don't let them scare you off! You must have a think skin in public sometimes. On 9/18/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > I don't know what you mean, top post. I thought it meant don't post to the > list, one person said to not top post, so I sent it to his email address > instead, and then he says > I shouldn't have done that either. I just click reply and type. I don't know > any other way. This isn't on a website somewhere is it? All these messages > come to my email account. > > Sorry if I was doing something wrong. > > In any case, I am thru bugging you all. I went back to GNOME. It simply > works. It's ugly but it works. On KDE everything was hanging and crashing > and not behaving at all well. Why bother? I couldn't even run Second Life, > my 3D chat program. I can on GNOME. > > Marti From hattingh.fredre at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:22:38 2007 From: hattingh.fredre at gmail.com (Fredre Hattingh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:22:38 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9ef5f6de0709180822h60fb9263yd1bfb6f6b83befaa@mail.gmail.com> Why stop at Gentoo ? After installing use it as a host system for Linux from scratch On 9/18/07, Knapp wrote: > I have gotten evil email about top posting too! I had no clue what > they were talking about. At this point I think it means not to write > under the first persons text but over it, like I am doing now. > > Gnome works, if you like it. I run Second Life and all that fine in > KDE though. What is a 3d chat program? > > Douglas > > PS If I am wrong about this, then everyone has excepted that I am an > idiot and stopped sending me evil email. So Marti don't let them scare > you off! You must have a think skin in public sometimes. > > On 9/18/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > I don't know what you mean, top post. I thought it meant don't post to the > > list, one person said to not top post, so I sent it to his email address > > instead, and then he says > > I shouldn't have done that either. I just click reply and type. I don't know > > any other way. This isn't on a website somewhere is it? All these messages > > come to my email account. > > > > Sorry if I was doing something wrong. > > > > In any case, I am thru bugging you all. I went back to GNOME. It simply > > works. It's ugly but it works. On KDE everything was hanging and crashing > > and not behaving at all well. Why bother? I couldn't even run Second Life, > > my 3D chat program. I can on GNOME. > > > > Marti > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:26:26 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:26:26 +0200 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709181107.13746.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> <200709181107.13746.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you guys tried the other PDF viewers? Same problem? Douglas On 9/18/07, Rick wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 7:34:45 am Paul S wrote: > > Rick said the following on 09/18/2007 12:34 AM: > > > I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, > > > it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, > > > why is that... > > > > > > example a pdf file, would only print to half of the page, > > > and at 100%, but adobe reader would print to more than 3/4 of the page, > > > at 100 % > > > > > > Now it both are at 100% for size..then what is going on > > > in the print? very odd. > > > > Same problem here .. it's a reason to keep adobe even though it spys on > > us. I never found a fix. > > > > regards, > > Thanks Paul.. > > Thought it was me.. well just for giggles, how come the boys, at kde, > could not find a fix ? (since) we all want to go opensource. > > Regards - > Richard > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:29:10 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:29:10 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709180823.30447.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <46EFB7D5.5080603@gmail.com> <200709180823.30447.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46EFEEC6.7060402@gmail.com> Gene Heskett said the following on 09/18/2007 08:23 AM: > That comment prompted me to fire up the new 8.1.1 version of the reader, after > starting a tcpdump session just to see what traffic it might generate. I > opened a local file for display and paged through it some, and not a single > byte went out to the network from my machine that wasn't related to fetchmail > and spamassassin activity. Over a period of several minutes. > > So I believe that comment to be unfounded paranoia. > It's my understanding that it sends info on documents that include options to provide feedback. So, by itself, it may not. But, with the javascript plugin enabled, it will whenever the document is set up to spy. Somewhere was a thread explaining this when they came out with the last version, which included the nasty plugin. I've always disabled javascript but I'm not sure that works. regards, From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 15:24:34 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:24:34 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: >I don't know what you mean, top post. I thought it meant don't post to the > list, one person said to not top post, so I sent it to his email address > instead, and then he says I shouldn't have done that either. I just click > reply and type. I don't know any other way. This isn't on a website > somewhere is it? All these messages come to my email account. > >Sorry if I was doing something wrong. > >In any case, I am thru bugging you all. I went back to GNOME. It simply > works. It's ugly but it works. On KDE everything was hanging and crashing > and not behaving at all well. Why bother? I couldn't even run Second Life, > my 3D chat program. I can on GNOME. > >Marti [huge snippage so _maybe_ you see this on your first screen] "Top posting" means that you are putting your replies always at the top of the message text you are replying to. This screws up the normal order folks read stuff in and makes it difficult to properly follow the conversation. Either use the down arrow as I previously suggested, to put the entry marker cursor under the question you are being asked, and enter your answer there, or switch email agents to something that can be configured to do so by placing the cursors default location at the bottom of the message text being replied to. I suspect that your apparent refusal to do what you are being asked to do here is because you aren't even scrolling down through the message to see the question. Winderz habits, a pox on them. As for Second Life, I've heard of the game, but not the chat agent. Running FC6 here, with kde, and our package manager has no such chat agent available. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) All other things being equal, a bald man cannot be elected President of the United States. -- Vic Gold From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:38:53 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:38:53 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709180838k51261286mb9efda3ca93bf546@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Knapp wrote: > I have gotten evil email about top posting too! I had no clue what > they were talking about. At this point I think it means not to write > under the first persons text but over it, like I am doing now. To clear things up: You are top posting (bad). Bottom posting (good) is the opposite of what you are doing now. Top posting is when you reply to an email and write your response *above* the other person's email such as your reply to Marti that I am responding to. Notice that I am posting a reply *below* the part of the message that I am replying to rather than above (at the "top"). This format is considered normal nettiquette on a mailing list like this. Here is an example why top posting can become confusing: (What you're doing now) I believe that would be 25. > What is five times five? (What you should be doing) It would make more sense if it was like this: > What is five times five? I believe that would be 25. Get it? This is only a simple example, but the problem can compound itself when there are lengthy discussions going on. You don't always have to post at the *very bottom* of an email if it makes more sense to interrupt a reply like so: > What is five times five? I believe that would be 25? > What is six times six? I'm afraid I can't help you there. Maybe someone else can. Additionally, you can snip parts of a post if you are only replying to a certain part of a message: > What is five times five? > > When I was a young lad growing up, my teacher would always ask...(goes on forever) 25. becomes: > What is five times five? [snip] <-- (this is not required, but some people put it here) 25. I am not trying to arouse a debate on top posting, just trying to clear things up. Hope this helps, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:44:21 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:44:21 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: > "Top posting" means that you are putting your replies always at the top of the > message text you are replying to. This screws up the normal order folks read > stuff in and makes it difficult to properly follow the conversation. > > Either use the down arrow as I previously suggested, to put the entry marker > cursor under the question you are being asked, and enter your answer there, > or switch email agents to something that can be configured to do so by > placing the cursors default location at the bottom of the message text being > replied to. > > I suspect that your apparent refusal to do what you are being asked to do here > is because you aren't even scrolling down through the message to see the > question. Winderz habits, a pox on them. > > As for Second Life, I've heard of the game, but not the chat agent. Running > FC6 here, with kde, and our package manager has no such chat agent available. > > -- > Cheers, Gene No not a refusal. It was just never clear what top posting was. I think it is because I use Gmail. I can read the post above the reply area and then write from that. I for one will start writing under things now that that is finally clear. All those of you who complain about top posting need to do as Gene did and clearly explain what the heck you are talking about. I am sure most of us top posters are just new to the whole thing and not out to make your lives a living hell. ;-) Thanks Douglas From jjesse at iserv.net Tue Sep 18 15:47:31 2007 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:47:31 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 11:44:21 Knapp wrote: > > "Top posting" means that you are putting your replies always at the top > > of the message text you are replying to. This screws up the normal order > > folks read stuff in and makes it difficult to properly follow the > > conversation. > > > > Either use the down arrow as I previously suggested, to put the entry > > marker cursor under the question you are being asked, and enter your > > answer there, or switch email agents to something that can be configured > > to do so by placing the cursors default location at the bottom of the > > message text being replied to. > > > > I suspect that your apparent refusal to do what you are being asked to do > > here is because you aren't even scrolling down through the message to see > > the question. Winderz habits, a pox on them. > > > > As for Second Life, I've heard of the game, but not the chat agent. > > Running FC6 here, with kde, and our package manager has no such chat > > agent available. > > > > -- > > Cheers, Gene > > No not a refusal. It was just never clear what top posting was. I > think it is because I use Gmail. I can read the post above the reply > area and then write from that. I for one will start writing under > things now that that is finally clear. > > All those of you who complain about top posting need to do as Gene did > and clearly explain what the heck you are talking about. I am sure > most of us top posters are just new to the whole thing and not out to > make your lives a living hell. ;-) > > Thanks > > Douglas If top posting is bad, why do some many mail clients do top posting? Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, Outlook, Outlook Express, and even the last time I used Lotus Notes all do top posting. JOnathan From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 18 16:01:38 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:01:38 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net><200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net><46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knapp" To: ; "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu I use Kubuntu for a reason! I like to have a nice system made for me but I have installed Gentoo 3 times to learn and as a challenge. What is great about it is that you get to build your own system and thus learn all about your own system and Linux from the ground up. You build a system just for you. Because of this the system is tuned to your computer. All the software is compiled for your computer by your computer and all the settings are set for your computer to run best. All the kernel moduals are just for your computers parts and thus it is small and loads fast. Of course this is provided you really understood what you were setting. Fans of it want their computer to be the fastest it can be or they have special desires that can be easily fulfilled with custom settings or software and they have the skills, time and knowledge to keep it working. Douglas On second thought, I don't think I have the time to build my own system (Grade 12 doesn't leave much free time :) I'd really like to give Kubuntu a try, if I could only get it started. The error message I'm getting right now is this bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. Anyone have any idea what this means?!?! I get this when trying to boot from a live CD, right at the end of the booting process (I assume). Would it work if I just used an alternate CD and actually installed it? Thanks so much for your help! Andrew > > What's so special about Gentoo? I went to their website and tried to see > what it was about but about all I found was a LOT of braggadocio. Lots > of "How great we are" without much actual information. > > I guess it must be good. Larry the cow thinks it's great. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:05:27 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:05:27 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709180905m50829365y8a96bc6bde55166c@mail.gmail.com> > If top posting is bad, why do some many mail clients do top posting? Gmail, > Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, Outlook, Outlook Express, and even the last time I used > Lotus Notes all do top posting. > > JOnathan > Because, in a simple email conversation it's easy to keep track of who said what. This is a conversation between hundreds ( dare I say thousands ? ) of people who will come into the conversation at any time, even after it's finished since some people receive daily or weekly digests. Top posting becomes confusing because you get the answer before the question. Greg From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:00:47 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:00:47 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> References: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> Message-ID: <200709181800.47463.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > If top posting is bad, why do some many mail clients do top posting? > Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, Outlook, Outlook Express, and even the last > time I used Lotus Notes all do top posting. Said the first Lemming to the second ;) /d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:17:29 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:17:29 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net> <46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> Message-ID: > On second thought, I don't think I have the time to build my own system > (Grade 12 doesn't leave much free time :) I'd really like to give Kubuntu a > try, if I could only get it started. The error message I'm getting right now > is this > > bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load > failed. > > Anyone have any idea what this means?!?! I get this when trying to boot from > a live CD, right at the end of the booting process (I assume). Would it work > if I just used an alternate CD and actually installed it? I don't know this error but the first thing I would do is to check the MD5 checksum after downloading and also make the CD burner check that it burned the CD the right way (check CD for errors). What kind of computer are you using? memory, etc? Perhaps someone else here knows more about this error. As for Gentoo, don't let me scare you off. Give up one TV show a day and you will get though it and learn a lot. Also do note that I said dual boot. This way you have a working system as you learn and so that you can go online and find answers to your questions. Douglas PS LOOK, I am no longer and Evil Top Poster. Now if I could just learn to spell. LOL From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:23:57 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:23:57 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> Message-ID: > > > Either use the down arrow as I previously suggested, to put the entry > > > marker cursor under the question you are being asked, and enter your > > > answer there, or switch email agents to something that can be configured > > > to do so by placing the cursors default location at the bottom of the > > > message text being replied to. Okay, this here is bottom posting. Happy? I use Hotmail, and, in Windows, Outlook. When I come here, it puts a line up top and the message below, and I figured that was where I was supposed to type. It's that way in Windows and always has been. > > > I suspect that your apparent refusal to do what you are being asked to do > > > here is because you aren't even scrolling down through the message to see > > > the question. Winderz habits, a pox on them. Um, we ALL started with Windows, did we not? And do we not still use Windows? I play The Sims 2 a lot, I can't play that in Linux. There are a lot of things I CANNOT do in Linux. > > > As for Second Life, I've heard of the game, but not the chat agent. It's a chat program, I meant. 3D. Works fine here on GNOME. In KDE all the graphics were messed up. Marti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 16:26:07 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:26:07 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181554.34597.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <6v35s4-58o.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200709181651.33630.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > Derek, >> If "donnsbox" is the linux machine, then yes, it's looking for the >> username/password set via smbpasswd. >> When XP is the client, it asks you >> for the server's (the linux box) username/password. > Okay, that's what I assumed. Kubuntu is running the Samba server. But why > will XP not accept my un/pw combo when I try to "map a drive" ? > >> When Linux is the >> client it asks for the Windows username/password. > Does that mean I have to get a samba server running on XP in order to > reach across from Kubuntu to XP? Both machines are "SMB" servers - all Windows systems have SMB built in. You don't actually put a "Samba" server in Windows, because "Samba" is the linux implementation of Microsoft's SMB. > I am really confused about which way samba goes and how. The machine with the shared folders is the "server", the machine that wants to access them is the client. The same machine can be both (which is really handy for testing purposes - try accessing smb://localhost/ from "donnsbox" in konqueror) > >> Of course, both machines >> could be using the same Domain Controller, in which case the credentials >> are the same, but lets not confuse things too much! > Damn skippy Mr Spock ;D I'm not sure anybody ever said "Damn skippy" to Mr. Spock and lived to tell... >> I can't remember where I know that from, but I'm fairly confident I'm >> right :-) > I set a un/pwd in that kcontrol place and I still could not get a drive > mapped. I (naturally) assume I am being daft! I'd start by setting up one or more shares on "donnsbox", then trying to get at them via the smb: protocol in konqueror. When that works, try the next step of accessing them from the Windows machine. After that, you may want to work on getting to the Windows box from the Linux box, but for a two machine setup, I usually just make one box hold all the shares. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 16:45:33 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:45:33 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> Message-ID: Jonathan Jesse wrote: > If top posting is bad, why do some many mail clients do top posting? > Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, Outlook, Outlook Express, and even the last > time I used Lotus Notes all do top posting. Top posting is evil. Bottom posting is almost as evil. You should trim, and respond to points/questions inline. If the cursor is automatically placed at the bottom of the quoted text, practically nobody would ever trim anything. But placing the cursor at the top of the text does _not_ mean that you should proceed to write your entire response there, it means you should start the process of trimming and replying at that point. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:08:24 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:08:24 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181651.33630.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181908.24396.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'm not sure anybody ever said "Damn skippy" to Mr. Spock and lived to > tell... Yeah, l hear tell he has an entire planet where he stashes the bodies :) > I'd start by setting up one or more shares on "donnsbox", then trying to > get at them via the smb: protocol in konqueror.   Good plan. I'll start there. thx /d From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 16:30:31 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:30:31 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9bed467e0709180738q4764ed83pda7e03cb02fb8294@mail.gmail.com> <200709181652.37375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <72b5s4-2jo.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Donn wrote: >> I am not sure if this would stop SMB from working, but are you sure >> that both computers are on the same domain (i.e. "MSHOME")? IANAE, >> but it seems like it could make a difference. > My XP laptop has a workgroup (same thing?) called "HOME". I refer to that > in smb.conf. How do I get Kubuntu onto the same "workgroup"? Or is there > some better scheme? Of course. I think Andrew's hit on at least part of the problem - because everytime I use KDE to modify /etc/smb.conf, it loses my workgroup name. There's a comment that just says "Change this to the workgroup/NT-domain", but there's no "this". I think it should be: workgroup = HOME (at least for compatibility to your Windows setup) but mine is blank once again. fwiw, a workgroup is not a domain, but you don't actually have a domain (in the SMB sense), so it makes little difference. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 16:42:07 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:42:07 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0ob5s4-iko.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Knapp wrote: > I have gotten evil email about top posting too! I very much doubt anyone sent evil email to Marti. She was asked nicely not to top-post. (and if you don't know what a term means, for heaven's sake, please _google_ ) I expect when she referred to email, she meant me - and I asked her to please keep list mail ON the list, and I'd respond there. It's not fair to others who are trying to learn too, and it ensures that the OP gets good advice - because if we give bad advice, someone will quickly correct us. > I had no clue what > they were talking about. At this point I think it means not to write > under the first persons text but over it, like I am doing now. No, it means DON'T do that. It's impossible to have a conversation if people ignore the conventions. > Gnome works, if you like it. I run Second Life and all that fine in > KDE though. What is a 3d chat program? Marti sent me the contents of her fstab, and it looks completely messed up - everything outside the usual tree is mounted at /media (rather than a mount point within /media). Frankly I think Gnome probably did that... (no, I don't, I really don't know what did, but that's at the heart of the problems). I'll guarantee that one problem is that there's an entry there for /dev/sdc1 - which I suspect is the usb drive - and KDE is happier with removables not in fstab at all. I told her to post it here and we'd fix it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 16:31:59 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:31:59 -0300 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > What really drives me nuts is that I use a dvorak keyboard and it > comes up as a little USA flag but the others that us the computer use > the USA qwerty keyboard. It comes up with, you guessed it, a USA flag. > How do you now what you are typing on or choosing? Who designed that? The flag isn't a keyboard map indicator, afaik, it's the language bindings indicator - and that I would think is the same for both keyboards. -- derek From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Tue Sep 18 17:31:17 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:31:17 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> Message-ID: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:23:57 -0400 Marti Andrews wrote: > Um, we ALL started with Windows, did we not? And do we not still use Windows? I play The Sims 2 a lot, I can't play that in Linux. There are a lot of things I CANNOT > do in Linux. > I. personally, haven't used Windows at all for about six years. Neil Winchurst From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 17:36:54 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Gutsy] Dolphin vs. Konqueror Message-ID: <200709181337.01019.art.alexion@verizon.net> Before I use kcontrol to disable it in favor of sticking with konqueror for all file management, I'm wondering what advantages dolphin might have over konqueror. I am assuming it is lighter weight and faster, but anything else? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 18 17:40:27 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:40:27 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] [Gutsy] Dolphin vs. Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200709181337.01019.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200709181337.01019.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20070918174027.GV17824@muse.19inch.net> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:36:54PM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > Before I use kcontrol to disable it in favor of sticking with konqueror for > all file management, I'm wondering what advantages dolphin might have over > konqueror. > > I am assuming it is lighter weight and faster, but anything else? Better user interface. Bookmarks down the side, information panel instead of tooltips and nicer address bar. Jonathan From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:54:33 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:54:33 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: > I. personally, haven't used Windows at all for about six years. > > Neil Winchurst I have not used it for years ether. Fun to get to say that at last! Douglas From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:56:56 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:56:56 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > The flag isn't a keyboard map indicator, afaik, it's the language bindings > indicator - and that I would think is the same for both keyboards. > -- > derek No, the flag shows the keyboard. It is the KDE keyboard tool. Douglas From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:58:02 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:58:02 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> > > Um, we ALL started with Windows, did we not? And do we not still use Windows? I play The Sims 2 a lot, I can't play that in Linux. There are a lot of things I CANNOT > > do in Linux. > > > I. personally, haven't used Windows at all for about six years. > > Neil Winchurst I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All applications were installed to hard drive and started from command line. You'll find the linux community tends to be older than most online communities. G From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:16:29 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:16:29 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709181116k7fe61ed1m8960f566500c427d@mail.gmail.com> On 18/09/2007, Knapp wrote: > What really drives me nuts is that I use a dvorak keyboard and it > comes up as a little USA flag but the others that us the computer use > the USA qwerty keyboard. It comes up with, you guessed it, a USA flag. > How do you now what you are typing on or choosing? Who designed that? > Douglas You can probably change it. Poke around /usr/share/locale/l10n and maybe grep the term dvorak. I also use dvorak, I have the language indicator set to " " for US-English, and "D" for dvorak so that I can tell which is selected. Start a new thread on the subject and don't hijack! (That was with a smile). Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 18 18:21:37 2007 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:21:37 +0100 Subject: Installing/Running a Win98SE accounting app in Wine In-Reply-To: <6bu4s4-j3n.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <46EF701F.2050803@bluewin.ch> <20070918080341.103dea4e@graham-desktop> <6bu4s4-j3n.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <20070918192137.20ab3912@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:53:26 -0300 Derek Broughton wrote: > > First of all (as the acronym says), Wine Is Not an Emulator. > > That's not at all helpful. Even the Wine developers rarely actually > say that. imo, Wine IS an emulator. The people who say it isn't > simply qualify their opinion by considering an emulator to mean > "hardware emulator". Wine provides a linux implementation of the > Windows API, allowing Linux to _emulate_ at least a large part of > Windows. Well, I think its helpful to remember that, because many people try to use it as a replacement for the Windows operating system in Linux. As you say, Wine provides a Linux version (and not a full emulation) of the Windows API. This means that a program in Windows may be able to run under Linux using Wine, if - and only if - it makes calls on the Windows API, but even that is not certain. Wine is not a hardware emulator nor is it an emulator for the Windows operating system. If it were, Micro$oft would have long ago taken legal action against the Wine Project and Codeweavers in particular. What Wine has become is a useful open source tool to help people run some Windows programs under Linux, and no more. It comes into its own, however, in applications like Codeweavers Office, in which the coding for Wine is integrated into an application which will run many more Windows applications more efficiently. However, this leaves the concept of software libre and free software behind.... - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFG8BdHthMHx1h/UZYRAg7YAKCD1xLXIWdkQpteciJZtGDSS5g+iQCbByZ3 iCiWhETHb+5eIcOAPvEC/0o= =JRR9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 18:24:02 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:24:02 -0300 Subject: [Gutsy] Dolphin vs. Konqueror References: <200709181337.01019.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20070918174027.GV17824@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <2nh5s4-5cp.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:36:54PM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: >> Before I use kcontrol to disable it in favor of sticking with konqueror >> for all file management, I'm wondering what advantages dolphin might have >> over konqueror. >> >> I am assuming it is lighter weight and faster, but anything else? > > Better user interface. Bookmarks down the side, information panel > instead of tooltips and nicer address bar. > And on the minus side? C'mon Jonathan, it can't all be roses, can it? -- derek From manuel at mclure.org Tue Sep 18 18:06:34 2007 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:58:02 Greg Booth wrote: > I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All > applications were installed to hard drive and started from command > line. You'll find the linux community tends to be older than most > online communities. Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, and finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working with Xenix and UNIX.) -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 18:16:03 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:16:03 -0300 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709171302x1cb98b67na6660586a723933c@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180109o78d78918ya5ab33164d2e527b@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00709180452m7f4e9a23w23e776e795daf475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38h5s4-5cp.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Knapp wrote: >> The flag isn't a keyboard map indicator, afaik, it's the language >> bindings indicator - and that I would think is the same for both >> keyboards. > > No, the flag shows the keyboard. It is the KDE keyboard tool. Yes, but when you go to "System Settings / Regional & Language / Keyboard Layout" you select a "layout" of "US English". This is what the flag represents. Then you select a "layout variant" below that which includes "basic", "intl" and various dvorak layouts. -- derek From manchicken at notsosoft.net Tue Sep 18 18:39:58 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Gutsy] Dolphin vs. Konqueror In-Reply-To: <2nh5s4-5cp.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709181337.01019.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20070918174027.GV17824@muse.19inch.net> <2nh5s4-5cp.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200709181339.58765.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 13:24:02 Derek Broughton wrote: > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:36:54PM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > >> Before I use kcontrol to disable it in favor of sticking with konqueror > >> for all file management, I'm wondering what advantages dolphin might > >> have over konqueror. > >> > >> I am assuming it is lighter weight and faster, but anything else? > > > > Better user interface. Bookmarks down the side, information panel > > instead of tooltips and nicer address bar. > > And on the minus side? C'mon Jonathan, it can't all be roses, can it? > -- > derek I like it. I've been using dolphin for a while now and I think it's pretty easy to use. I like it. I'd be interested in seeing some tabs though. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 18 18:22:44 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:22:44 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:23:57 -0400 > Marti Andrews wrote: > >> Um, we ALL started with Windows, did we not? And do we not still use >> Windows? I play The Sims 2 a lot, I can't play that in Linux. There are a >> lot of things I CANNOT do in Linux. >> > I. personally, haven't used Windows at all for about six years. And, while I personally started with TR-DOS, and was using a computer for years before Windows came along, many less dinosauric people started with Apple and never touched Windows (of course, they're probably still happy with their lot and weren't included in Marti's "we" :-) ) I don't think there are a "lot" of things that can't be done in Linux, but according to the Wine AppDB, it's true that "The Sims 2" is one of them... -- derek From manchicken at notsosoft.net Tue Sep 18 18:42:12 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:42:12 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709181342.12609.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 12:31:17 Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:23:57 -0400 > > Marti Andrews wrote: > > Um, we ALL started with Windows, did we not? And do we not still use > > Windows? I play The Sims 2 a lot, I can't play that in Linux. There are a > > lot of things I CANNOT do in Linux. > > I. personally, haven't used Windows at all for about six years. > > Neil Winchurst I do not use any Win32 software on my own personal time. For my job, unfortunately, I do need to use windows for testing. From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:42:45 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:42:45 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: <720b310e0709181142kaef04ai9f6a063c2e210608@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Manuel McLure wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:58:02 Greg Booth wrote: > > I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All > > applications were installed to hard drive and started from command > > line. You'll find the linux community tends to be older than most > > online communities. > > Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes > for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a > 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, and > finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working with > Xenix and UNIX.) > Well, I did have a TI-994a with a tape drive and cassettes only, but I'm not sure I'd call that a computer... G From stew.schneider at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:45:29 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:45:29 -0400 Subject: Double mounting? Message-ID: <46F01CC9.3090501@adelphia.net> I stopped by one of the churches whose computers I maintain and noticed that the USB external drive that houses the backup files (I use rsnapshot) is not only mounted at /var/cache/rsnapshot, but also appears on /media/usb I'm not real sure how that happened, but since no one but me can see that (the Linux box is headless, and I'm the only one who knows how to reach it), is there any harm in the double mounting? stew -- J. Stewart Schneider, J.D. Temporary Supply Community Presbyterian Church of Bellefonte http://CommunityPresbyterian.org The little church that could From stew.schneider at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:52:17 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:52:17 -0400 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <72b5s4-2jo.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9bed467e0709180738q4764ed83pda7e03cb02fb8294@mail.gmail.com> <200709181652.37375.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <72b5s4-2jo.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <46F01E61.3080004@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Donn wrote: > > >> My XP laptop has a workgroup (same thing?) called "HOME". I refer to that >> in smb.conf. How do I get Kubuntu onto the same "workgroup"? Or is there >> some better scheme? >> > > Of course. I think Andrew's hit on at least part of the problem - because > everytime I use KDE to modify /etc/smb.conf, it loses my workgroup name. > There's a comment that just says "Change this to the workgroup/NT-domain", > but there's no "this". I think it should be: > > workgroup = HOME I'm pretty sure the workgroup is important. At least, I've never been able to get Windows and Linux to play nice together unless it is consistent. It's set in /etc/samba/smb.conf as: workgroup = HOME I don't know if case is important. Samba then has to be restarted (sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart) I have noticed that if I enter workgroup = WORKGROUP and restart samba, my workgroup designation disappears. I don't have a clue why, but it WOULD be nice if it didn't. stew From manchicken at notsosoft.net Tue Sep 18 18:53:44 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:53:44 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709181142kaef04ai9f6a063c2e210608@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <720b310e0709181142kaef04ai9f6a063c2e210608@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181353.44543.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 13:42:45 Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/18/07, Manuel McLure wrote: > > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:58:02 Greg Booth wrote: > > > I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All > > > applications were installed to hard drive and started from command > > > line. You'll find the linux community tends to be older than most > > > online communities. > > > > Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with > > cassettes for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual > > boot on a 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and > > SCO UNIX, and finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while > > still working with Xenix and UNIX.) > > Well, I did have a TI-994a with a tape drive and cassettes only, but > I'm not sure I'd call that a computer... > > G /me started on a Commodore64, then went to GeOS, then Win3.1, then around the time win95 came out discovered GNU/Linux with TWM. From southern.tim at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:54:29 2007 From: southern.tim at gmail.com (Tim M) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:54:29 -0500 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9fc2408f0709181154yb718647m6de5a8869ff37845@mail.gmail.com> Nah, I am just too thick to get Samba to work. I tried to > monkey-copy-monkey-paste my way through it, but 'taint happening! > > I have tried every combination of username and password on both sides of > the > O/S divide and one simply cannot see the other. > > Can anyone take me by the hand as I aim for: > 1. Open an Exploder window on XP and browse a folder on Kubuntu (with rw) > 2. Open a Konqy on Kubuntu and browse a folder on XP (with rw) > 3. Be secure about it! > > Any boffins out there Donn, SAMBA is a hard nut to crack. If anyone is to thick to get Samba running it is ME. But I kept at it and finally got it working. I am on the road so I don't have access to my server (didn't get it completed before I left) but if I remember correctly smb.conf was a source of a lot of the problems. I found a book that helped me set it up. Ubuntu Hacks I believe is the name. While it is not perfect it gives you the steps to follow. I would try to set it up on an old machine first . . . I finally got SAMBA working only to to find that ssh didn't work. It took lot of time but now both work well. Good luck and don't give up. Remember the most fun is in the journey . . . have fun with it. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some days, I'd go through five or six tubes of electrons, and have to go back to the 'Shack for more. And it was 25 miles away. Up hill! Both ways! stew From manchicken at notsosoft.net Tue Sep 18 19:08:48 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:08:48 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181408.48878.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 14:02:46 Stew Schneider wrote: > Manuel McLure wrote: > > Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with > > cassettes for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual > > boot on a 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and > > SCO UNIX, and finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while > > still working with Xenix and UNIX.) > > Harumph! I started with Level I Basic on an 8K TRS-80, and had to supply > my own electrons. Radio Shack sold them in little cardboard tubes like > those you bought BB's in. Some days, I'd go through five or six tubes of > electrons, and have to go back to the 'Shack for more. And it was 25 > miles away. Up hill! Both ways! > > stew Only 25 miles? Pft. From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:33:58 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:33:58 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: > I don't think there are a "lot" of things that can't be done in Linux, but > according to the Wine AppDB, it's true that "The Sims 2" is one of them... You are saying I CAN run The Sims 2 within Wine, or I cannot? I've got everything working fine now and am happy. I can even get to the network printer in GNOME, which I could not in KDE. I don't know why, if KDE is just not as user friendly, but it didn't even have my particular printer listed, a Canon Pixma MP780 hooked up to an XP Pro machine on the network (we just have the two machines on the network). Marti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:35:23 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:35:23 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All > applications were installed to hard drive and started from command > line. 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URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:38:33 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:38:33 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: If you have time to play Sim2 then you could be learning how to install Gentoo instead. ;-) Douglas On 9/18/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > > > ________________________________ > > I don't think there are a "lot" of things that can't be done in Linux, but > > according to the Wine AppDB, it's true that "The Sims 2" is one of them... > > You are saying I CAN run The Sims 2 within Wine, or I cannot? I've got > everything working fine now and am happy. I can even get to the network > printer in GNOME, > which I could not in KDE. I don't know why, if KDE is just not as user > friendly, but it didn't even have my particular printer listed, a Canon > Pixma MP780 hooked up to an XP Pro machine on the network (we just have the > two machines on the network). > > Marti > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From m-wright at eskimo.com Tue Sep 18 19:37:12 2007 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:37:12 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709181237.12095.m-wright@eskimo.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:54, Knapp wrote: > > I. personally, haven't used Windows at all for about six years. > > > > Neil Winchurst > > I have not used it for years ether. Fun to get to say that at last! > Douglas In 1966, I used a Bendix G-15, IIRC, with a rotating drum memory and lots of tubes (12AT7s, I think) to design an antenna system. Since I was mostly a slide rule guy at the time, I got a lot of help from a friend who was pretty good at assembly code. I ventured into DOS (and UNIX) after CP/M but, except to help friends, I haven't used Windows for years. My last use of Windows for an employer was W98SE. I confess to having a really old laptop (floppies only) with 95 on it, but it's not in use and I suppose I ought to figure out how to put Linux on it one of these days. I'm sticking with Dapper LTS for the time being because I want to have a stable OS that I don't have to "tune" as I have other things that I need to do with the computer. I suspect that there are quite a few like me, who really don't want to fiddle with their OS (for the time being), but who like various aspects of Linux and, consequently, haven't used Windows for awhile. Maynard From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:42:02 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:42:02 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <0ob5s4-iko.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709180832.06750.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709180937.53902.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <0ob5s4-iko.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: > Marti sent me the contents of her fstab, and it looks completely messed up - > everything outside the usual tree is mounted at /media (rather than a mount > point within /media). Frankly I think Gnome probably did that... (no, I > don't, I really don't know what did, but that's at the heart of the > problems). I'll guarantee that one problem is that there's an entry there > for /dev/sdc1 - which I suspect is the usb drive - and KDE is happier with > removables not in fstab at all. > I told her to post it here and we'd fix it. Well I'm happy with GNOME now and it seems more stable, at least, on MY system. For the sake of others, here is my fstab in GNOME (my only gripe is if I reboot, I have to mount the internal hard disc again every time, but not the usb drive, it stays constant. Which was the opposite within KDE. I am clueless as to why. All I know is everything works seamlessly now. I dunno, is there a ghost in my machine? I have never understood computers, they never seem to work the same way twice. I just tinker until they DO work. # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/sdb1 UUID=04588fe5-ec92-4eb8-80b6-d2b13d890c5a / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # /dev/sdb5 UUID=b7c6a42e-47dd-48db-b504-4e74800d515b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 18 19:47:07 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:47:07 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: <46F02B3B.3030602@swbell.net> Manuel McLure wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:58:02 Greg Booth wrote: >> I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All >> applications were installed to hard drive and started from command >> line. You'll find the linux community tends to be older than most >> online communities. > > Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes > for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a > 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, and > finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working with > Xenix and UNIX.) > My first was a TI 99-4A. From there I went to a CoCo. [ Both of which I still have in working condition. ] Then it was an old Leading Edge 8088 XT. Ran 7MHz in TURBO Mode. Came with two 5.25 floppy drives. I changed them out for 3.5 floppies. Didn't even have a place, or interface, for a hard drive. I had to Southern Engineer one in an old scsi case with a separate power supply running the ribbon cable out the card slot in the back from the IDE card to the drive. Had DOS 3 and Windows 1. Still have both of those around here somewhere to. I had a "Rampat" board that I had 100M of memory on. The computer couldn't access all that memory directly so I used it as a ramdisk. The bat files I used to run everything would copy the program from the hard drive to the ramdisk and run it from there. It ran much faster from the ramdisk than it could from the hard drive. I've got an old TRS-80 that just needs the boot floppies to run. Also have a Xerox double 8.5 floppy drive with a box of software on 8.5 floppies. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:51:37 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:51:37 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: > If you have time to play Sim2 then you could be learning how to > install Gentoo instead. ;-) Man, give me a break! :) I just got everything how I like it! Let me learn this first, though there's really not much to learn - well, other than Wine, maybe. Do tell me what Gentoo is, though, and where I get it and what is involved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:53:39 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:53:39 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout and see what it is. No longer talking about keyboard switching with ctr-alt which is still unsolved. Message-ID: >You can probably change it. Poke around /usr/share/locale/l10n and >maybe grep the term dvorak. I also use dvorak, I have the language >indicator set to " " for US-English, and "D" for dvorak so that I can >tell which is selected. >Start a new thread on the subject and don't hijack! (That was with a smile). >Dotan Cohen > Yes, but when you go to "System Settings / Regional & Language / Keyboard > Layout" you select a "layout" of "US English". This is what the flag > represents. Then you select a "layout variant" below that which > includes "basic", "intl" and various dvorak layouts. > -- > derek > I am not sure it is hijacking. Are we not still talking about keyboard switching? Not that I would mind a new subject heading. :-) Did not mean to hijack anything. I guess we are not talking about ctrl alt keyboard switch. The flag shows "Keyboard Layout". Yes, it is English but what kind? This is like calling you Derek in a class with 5 Dereks. Also if you think about it, most likely a person using keyboard switch with Dvorak would be switching from normal to Dvorak. How did you change the language indicator? I tried that a back when they first changed the flag icon but had no luck. Douglas Douglas From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:56:40 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:56:40 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F02B3B.3030602@swbell.net> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <46F02B3B.3030602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709181256kdc0ac00ia48580a84119e28f@mail.gmail.com> > My first was a TI 99-4A. From there I went to a CoCo. [ Both of which I > still have in working condition. ] Then it was an old Leading Edge 8088 and I thought my wife was a pack rat. > XT. Ran 7MHz in TURBO Mode. Came with two 5.25 floppy drives. I changed > them out for 3.5 floppies. Didn't even have a place, or interface, for a > hard drive. I had to Southern Engineer one in an old scsi case with a > separate power supply running the ribbon cable out the card slot in the > back from the IDE card to the drive. Had DOS 3 and Windows 1. Still have > both of those around here somewhere to. I had a "Rampat" board that I > had 100M of memory on. The computer couldn't access all that memory > directly so I used it as a ramdisk. The bat files I used to run woo ramdisk ! I remember that. > everything would copy the program from the hard drive to the ramdisk and > run it from there. It ran much faster from the ramdisk than it could > from the hard drive. > > I've got an old TRS-80 that just needs the boot floppies to run. Also > have a Xerox double 8.5 floppy drive with a box of software on 8.5 floppies. And now back to our regularly scheduled programs !! As for Gnome / KDE, it's all preference, at least it's Linux. G From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:59:40 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:59:40 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: Sorry just teasing. There is a thread here already today about that. But to be easy check out: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml Gentoo is like the kitcar of Linux. Lots of work and lots of learning. Douglas On 9/18/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > > > ________________________________ > > If you have time to play Sim2 then you could be learning how to > > install Gentoo instead. ;-) > > Man, give me a break! :) I just got everything how I like it! Let me learn > this first, though there's really not much to learn - well, other than Wine, > maybe. Do tell me what Gentoo is, though, and where I get it and what is > involved. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From bootgr at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 20:05:07 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:05:07 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709181305g5e5bb57ay22ec570ae19b9932@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Knapp wrote: > Sorry just teasing. There is a thread here already today about that. > But to be easy check out: > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml > Gentoo is like the kitcar of Linux. Lots of work and lots of learning. > Douglas Is Gentoo the one that runs entirely off of source ? The "repositories" are source, you pull down source and it compiles it right there... ? Or is that Slackware ? G From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 20:34:19 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:34:19 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709181305g5e5bb57ay22ec570ae19b9932@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181305g5e5bb57ay22ec570ae19b9932@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, mostly true but they do have some compiled stuff too. Douglas On 9/18/07, Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/18/07, Knapp wrote: > > Sorry just teasing. There is a thread here already today about that. > > But to be easy check out: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml > > Gentoo is like the kitcar of Linux. Lots of work and lots of learning. > > Douglas > > Is Gentoo the one that runs entirely off of source ? The > "repositories" are source, you pull down source and it compiles it > right there... ? > > Or is that Slackware ? > > G > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ein Leben ohne Mops ist möglich, doch völlig sinnlos. -Loriot From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 18 20:34:56 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net><46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> Message-ID: <728F234703AA4222A55EEC738830BC53@AndrewNotebook> > bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load > failed. > > Anyone have any idea what this means?!?! I get this when trying to boot > from > a live CD, right at the end of the booting process (I assume). Would it > work > if I just used an alternate CD and actually installed it? I don't know this error but the first thing I would do is to check the MD5 checksum after downloading and also make the CD burner check that it burned the CD the right way (check CD for errors). What kind of computer are you using? memory, etc? Perhaps someone else here knows more about this error. I checked the MD5 checksum of the ISO file, burnt a new CD, and checked the CD for errors; the checksum was fine and the CD had no errors, but I still got the error when trying to boot. I'm going to google it tonight, but if anyone else has any idea what to do, I'd be really grateful . . . Andrew From darryl.tidd at daaokc.com Tue Sep 18 20:41:16 2007 From: darryl.tidd at daaokc.com (Darryl Tidd) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:41:16 -0500 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. Message-ID: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> I am Running KUBUNTU 7.04. I have the screen saver set and have selected to require password to stop. However, when it is time for the screen saver to start, I get a blank screen. I have checked the auto power settings and what have you, and there is no problem there. I am not using power off settings. So I am looking for ideas on how to get my screen saver functioning properly. -- Darryl From T.Six at gmx.de Tue Sep 18 20:55:48 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:55:48 +0200 Subject: DNS search names In-Reply-To: References: <200709141614.17055.pupeno@pupeno.com> <200709181044.21594.pupeno@pupeno.com> Message-ID: Derek Broughton wrote the following on 18.09.2007 14:57 Hola Pupeno, hi List > You want to modify /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. > > prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; > > will put 127.0.0.1 as the first name server, then the DHCP assigned ones > following. Obviously, you can specify another IP, and you can also > use "append" to have your server searched last (not that I can think why > you would!). follow Derek´s advice, it will do what you are looking for. chao -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 18 20:57:25 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:57:25 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171312.21670.kassube@gmx.net><200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <00t4s4-dlm.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46EFDCE5.8020407@swbell.net><46EFE607.60809@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F03BB5.9010203@tiscali.co.uk> Andrew Burgess wrote: > The error message I'm getting right now is this > > bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load > failed. > > Anyone have any idea what this means?!?! Google is your friend! it seems to be related to some wireless card... you need a driver... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 18 22:13:26 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:13:26 -0400 Subject: Double mounting? In-Reply-To: <46F01CC9.3090501@adelphia.net> References: <46F01CC9.3090501@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <200709181813.26835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: > I'm not real sure how that happened, but since no one but me can see > that (the Linux box is headless, and I'm the only one who knows how to > reach it), is there any harm in the double mounting? Probably hotplug, udev or whatever picked up the drive and mounted it for you. Double mounting is harmless in of itself, although it can lead to confusion, and confusion can encourage stupidity. I don't think I'd be especially worried in the scenario you've outlined. Just remember what's what, and don't do anything stupid. -- D. Michael McIntyre From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 18 22:14:29 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:14:29 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F04DC5.3070009@sbcglobal.net> Stew Schneider wrote: > Manuel McLure wrote: > >> Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes >> for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a >> 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, and >> finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working with >> Xenix and UNIX.) >> >> > Harumph! I started with Level I Basic on an 8K TRS-80, and had to supply > my own electrons. Radio Shack sold them in little cardboard tubes like > those you bought BB's in. Some days, I'd go through five or six tubes of > electrons, and have to go back to the 'Shack for more. And it was 25 > miles away. Up hill! Both ways! > > stew > > How do you think like that? Laughter with tears. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 18 22:25:57 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:25:57 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Rick wrote: > I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, > it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, > why is that... Specific example? I use KPDF a great deal, and I've never seen anything like the problem you describe. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Sep 18 23:37:00 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:37:00 -0400 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709181937.00929.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > No dice. I've got her on Gnome for now, but we both dislike Gnome. The > keyboard shortcut is _that_ important. Yes, Gnome works with > Shift+Alt. Betcha if you feel like getting really hacky, you could make the GNOME keyboard switcher thingie work with KDE somehow or other. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 19 00:03:03 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:03:03 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <4CFB234D344349398D57D4EE39B5EFC4@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook> <4CFB234D344349398D57D4EE39B5EFC4@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 17 September 2007, Andrew Burgess wrote: > bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available > or load failed. > PS - I've said CD, but it's actually a DVD; does it make a difference? DVD seems likely to play into the first problem you had (threads about the busybox problem talked about DVDs and SATA hard drives, mostly.) This problem looks more like something with your wireless NIC (network interface card?) I wouldn't actually expect a NIC issue to be a deal breaker. Maybe you should try letting it sit there for a few (maybe up to 15) minutes and see if it will time out. Or type Control+C to see if you can encourage it to time out, and continue the boot sequence. Most likely the internet will be busted, but at least you might get somewhere from there. Anyway, it looks like a pretty clear example of pain in the ass hardware. Sad truth about Linux is that hardware either works effortlessly, or you're gambling a fortune in time for no better than a 50/50 shot that it might work somehow. Especially as a newbie. I hate to tell you to move along and look elsewhere, but I hate to see you get wet from pissing in the wind too. Do you have another computer to try? Have you tried other distros, or other versions of K/Ubuntu? -- D. Michael McIntyre From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 00:22:33 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: Double mounting? In-Reply-To: <200709181813.26835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <46F01CC9.3090501@adelphia.net> <200709181813.26835.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46F06BC9.7070606@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: > >> I'm not real sure how that happened, but since no one but me can see >> that (the Linux box is headless, and I'm the only one who knows how to >> reach it), is there any harm in the double mounting? >> > > Probably hotplug, udev or whatever picked up the drive and mounted it for you. > > Double mounting is harmless in of itself, although it can lead to confusion, > and confusion can encourage stupidity. I don't think I'd be especially > worried in the scenario you've outlined. Just remember what's what, and > don't do anything stupid. > That's pretty much the way I analyzed it, up to the part about not doing anything stupid. I have more stupid uptime than the server. Seems a shame to .... you know...leave a tradition like that... Thanks. stew From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 19 01:11:59 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:11:59 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook><4CFB234D344349398D57D4EE39B5EFC4@AndrewNotebook> <200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote: DVD seems likely to play into the first problem you had I burnt it on a CD now , and that seemed to work. I wouldn't actually expect a NIC issue to be a deal breaker. Maybe you should try letting it sit there for a few (maybe up to 15) minutes and see if it will time out. Or type Control+C to see if you can encourage it to time out, and continue the boot sequence. Most likely the internet will be busted, but at least you might get somewhere from there. I'll give this a try. Do you have another computer to try? Have you tried other distros, or other versions of K/Ubuntu? I tried on my Dad's XP desktop; booted perfectly, not a problem at all. Also Ubuntu Feisty worked on the desktop, but was even worse on my laptop; had a problem with the X session (I think that's what it was). There was a massive error report and really weird screens. I gave Gentoo a try from a Live CD; I got to the desktop with no real errors, although there was some message about not being able to use themes, screensaver, etc. Wulfmann wrote: Google is your friend! it seems to be related to some wireless card... you need a driver... D. Michael McIntyre wrote: This problem looks more like something with your wireless NIC (network interface card?) >From what I've found, it is a wireless card issue. One site ( https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/329 ) suggested to use the command sudo aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh This won't work, however, because I can't put commands into the screen I get this error on. I also found a site ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-March/070868.html ) that said it was a with the "ndiswrapper " (whatever that is) and gave a driver to install from here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/ . That's no good either, because I can't install anything until I get to the desktop. Knapp wrote: What kind of computer are you using? memory, etc? I'm using a Dell Inspiron 1520, with a Intel Core 2 Duo Cpu T5250 @ 1.50GHz 1.50 GHz, 2GB of RAM, 32-BIT Operating System. Thank you all for your help and time; I hope we're getting closer to the solution! Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Crappy pain in the ass chipset from hell, I fear. I hate hardware problems. I gave up on Mom's laptop. It didn't seem impossible, but success was always just out of reach. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 19 01:35:57 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:35:57 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181237.12095.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <200709181237.12095.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <200709182135.57373.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Maynard Wright wrote: > I'm sticking with Dapper LTS for the time being because I want to have a > stable OS that I don't have to "tune" as I have other things that I need to > do with the computer. Funny thing there is I finally got rid of Dapper after sound got busted horribly. All I ever did to it was apply security updates, and I have no idea WTF happened, but it was nasty. I thought my hardware was tanking, but no, it's perfectly fine. It was Dapper. Something broke it badly, and I would have bet money that wasn't possible, and lost. TRS-80 Color Computer here, while we're trotting out ancient history. -- D. Michael McIntyre From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 01:31:36 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:31:36 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > >> I don't think there are a "lot" of things that can't be done in Linux, >> but according to the Wine AppDB, it's true that "The Sims 2" is one of >> them... > > You are saying I CAN run The Sims 2 within Wine, or I cannot? Apparently _not_, I'm afraid. There are quite a few people who've tried, but they can't get past the copy protection on the CD. For a similarly protected CD, I was able to just install into my Windows partition, and copy the entire directory from C:\Program Files\ over to my Ubuntu partition, but I don't think that's going to work for The Sims 2. -- derek From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Sep 19 01:43:20 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:43:20 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709182143.20456.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > protected CD, I was able to just install into my Windows partition, and > copy the entire directory from C:\Program Files\ over to my Ubuntu > partition, but I don't think that's going to work for The Sims 2. I have no idea what the context was, but once upon a time, I ripped an ISO, then mounted it as a loopback device.... -- D. Michael McIntyre From m.wanstall.lists at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 02:10:09 2007 From: m.wanstall.lists at gmail.com (Mal Wanstall) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:10:09 +1000 Subject: Have to put login password in twice before accepted Message-ID: <6c0ca2f50709181910g4ad90d80p286a52887f8f6cc3@mail.gmail.com> Not sure whether this is more suited to the KDE list but thought I'd try my luck here. Whenever I first boot up the computer to login to Feisty I enter my username and password and hit enter and it gives me the "Password Incorrect" message, however the second time when I enter the _exact_ same password, it accepts it. At first I thought it might be my stubby fingers but I have meticulously checked that the first time I enter the password it is correct. This happens every single time I try to login... It's not the end of the world but I'd really like to know why it's happening. Thanks, - Mal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From david.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 19 02:43:07 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:43:07 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <728F234703AA4222A55EEC738830BC53@AndrewNotebook> References: <728F234703AA4222A55EEC738830BC53@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <200709182243.07767.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 4:34:56 pm Andrew Burgess wrote: > > bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load > > failed. > > > > Anyone have any idea what this means?!?! I get this when trying to boot > > from > > a live CD, right at the end of the booting process (I assume). Would it > > work > > if I just used an alternate CD and actually installed it? > > I don't know this error but the first thing I would do is to check the > MD5 checksum after downloading and also make the CD burner check that > it burned the CD the right way (check CD for errors). > > What kind of computer are you using? memory, etc? > > Perhaps someone else here knows more about this error. > > I checked the MD5 checksum of the ISO file, burnt a new CD, and checked the > CD for errors; the checksum was fine and the CD had no errors, but I still > got the error when trying to boot. I'm going to google it tonight, but if > anyone else has any idea what to do, I'd be really grateful . . . The bcm43xx is a wireless network driver for the broadcom chipset. I was getting the same error when I was booting the kubuntu 5 beta, but despite the error the computer proceeded to boot. I have always blacklisted this driver when using K/Ubuntu because it conflicts with the bcmwl5 driver I have to use with ndiswrapper to get my broadcom BCM4318 Airforce one card working. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 02:58:34 2007 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:58:34 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170021n4a990b17n64b0aef8deef6c59@mail.gmail.com> <46EE545D.7040105@saveker.org> <096C48DA990049C79C67EB7A81F3AE5D@AndrewNotebook> <240f61c20709170448o44edf4b5mdcdeb02afe59800c@mail.gmail.com> <89C3FA884DA947268F008FEE29F8579D@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709170638q3715ce67wb4f1f64e16748f6a@mail.gmail.com> <50C7A6CDB60248A8B8B23098D5D218B2@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <9bed467e0709181958x7814c00do4747976338098b54@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > Thanks for those instructions; I think I'm one step further now, but I've > run into another error message. After I followed the directions you (Fredre) > gave, it went through the loading process until I got a screen with the > following message: > > [106.86000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available > or load failed. > > It repeated this line 9 times over about 5 minutes, with a difference > xxx.xxxxxx combination in the brackets at the front. By the last one, it > sounded like the CD had stopped spinning, so I pressed my power button to > reboot. When I did that, it went back to the "Kubuntu" screen, popped the CD > out, and shut down. What do I do now? > > Thanks to all for their help! > > PS - I've said CD, but it's actually a DVD; does it make a difference? I have received this error code when using Kubuntu Feisty 64-bit. Don't recall the problem using 32-bit Feisty though. The error is definitely because of the Broadcom Wireless chip. I don't know how helpful this knowledge is if you can't get to a command line though. Here are a couple of suggestions: 1. Wait for like 15 minutes (already suggested). I think that if you wait long enough it will probably give up and continue onwards to KDE. 2. Try to use switch between ttys with that keyboard shortcut (I think it is Ctl + Alt + [F2-F4]) to see if you can get a login prompt. This probably won't work if Feisty gets stuck during the boot process. 3. I was going to say you could try removing the wireless card, but this isn't feasible since you are using a laptop. You might be able to disable the wireless card from within the BIOS, but I am not sure if this will affect Kubuntu's booting process. While you're at it, you could also try pressing the Disable/Enable Wireless button that I am sure is somewhere on your Inspiron while it is booting (I don't think it would do anything before Kubuntu starts to boot). 4. If all else fails, grab the sledgehammer. Works for me. On second thought, you may want to hear what other people have to say before trying this one... Hope this helps, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 04:25:18 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:25:18 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 17 September 2007 05:55:42 am Marti Andrews wrote: > Okay here I am in KDE, over top of Ubuntu. I keep reading about this fstab > folder, I don't have one. And once again, I can't find my usb drive, or my > other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. In GNOME, the > icon of the usb drive was right on my desktop and it was easy to add the > other one as well. I can't even find them to add them TO the desktop, in > KDE. And I'm a she, not a he. Hehe. > > I DO like KDE better, so I'll keep taking a stab at this. > > Marti > > > On Sunday 16 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > KDE & Gnome _don't_ generally find your fixed drives (USB connected > > > drives are another matter). The fixed drives are listed in /etc/fstab > > > and I guarantee the same version of Ubuntu & Kubuntu will find the same > > > ones. > > > > This is what I was getting at with my own assessment as well. I assumed > > the bits he wasn't seeing via Kubuntu should be in the category of stuff > > the installer would put into fstab, so it should be desktop-neutral. > > > > Now that I re-read and realize he said "NTFS" instead of "NFS" (I didn't > > think his perspective through, and I switched away from Windows before > > NTFS was common) I'm thinking it's probably something different at the > > desktop level, and the user is finding the GNOME way more intuitive for > > this. > > > > GNOME and KDE really are quite different, and maybe this issue really is > > a userland problem after all. It sounds like maybe the GNOME way of > > doing whatever this user is trying to do is more intuitive to him. > > > > I can't really understand the underlying issue, since I don't have any > > NTFS partitions, and seldom use graphical file browsers for anything. > > I'm afraid I can't relate well enough to be of further use. > > -- > > D. Michael McIntyre > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users I haven't read through the VERY long now, thread so forgive me if anyone has mentioned this. You may need to delete the ".hidden" (note: the period is important, its a signal to Linux to hide a file) files in both / (the root of the Directory structure) and in /media type this in a text console: sudo rm /.hidden then type this: sudo rm /media/.hidden If sudo asks for a password its YOUR password. Then you should be able to view all the directories on your system. Also if you: sudo su - (make sure you include the dash "-" at the end.) you can just browse around as root and compare what you see in the window as you. to open a konqueror window as root you'll need "sux" installed. sudo apt-get install sux is the command. Once that's done: sudo sux - instead of sudo su - and you'll be able to open graphical utilities from the shell. :-D (If you hit [Alt]+[F2] you'll get a run command line similar to Windoze, type "konsole" and hit enter and you'll get a command shell). -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 05:21:58 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:21:58 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <200709181937.00929.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <200709172005.11933.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709172314k68ce1c2bob9213b384736e2fa@mail.gmail.com> <200709181937.00929.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709182221u67a4a22md8a837b2142c4c7@mail.gmail.com> On 19/09/2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > No dice. I've got her on Gnome for now, but we both dislike Gnome. The > > keyboard shortcut is _that_ important. Yes, Gnome works with > > Shift+Alt. > > Betcha if you feel like getting really hacky, you could make the GNOME > keyboard switcher thingie work with KDE somehow or other. :) The keyboard switcher is a rather integral part of the desktop, it's not like getting Gedit to work in KDE (which is of course trivial). It would be easier and more appropriate to fix the KDE switcher. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From alain.muls at telenet.be Wed Sep 19 05:36:01 2007 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:36:01 +0200 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader Message-ID: <46F0B541.3000604@telenet.be> I sometimes have problems with kpdf. Some documents will not just get printed and I have to use acrobat reader to print them. No idea what the reason is. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: alain.muls.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 242 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 05:43:22 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:43:22 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> Message-ID: <200709190143.23522.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: [...] >Um, we ALL started with Windows, did we not? And do we not still use > Windows? I play The Sims 2 a lot, I can't play that in Linux. There are a > lot of things I CANNOT do in Linux. No Marti, some of us didn't. I've had in chronological order starting in 1978, a Quest Super Elf, a Timex 1000, a TI99/4a I still have, about a half a dozen TRS-80 Color Computers that all run a mini-unix called OS-9, a couple of full blown amiga's, and now on my 6th x86 home built box, and none of them other than an HP lappy I bought with XP on it, has ever ran windows cuz it has never been installed. The lappy's total uptime under XP in something over 2 years now is probably less than 12 hours total as it currently can dual boot F7 and XP. Default boot on the lappy is F7, Kubuntu-6.06 out in the workshop where that machine runs my cnc milling machine, FC6 here, but home made kernel 2.6.23-rc6 (now that's bleeding edge), I have spare blood the blood banks don't want cuz at 73, I've been married too many times & it might be tainted with something or other. I guess they don't trust blood from old, now disarmed by sugar, tomcats. And there is very little you can do in windows that I can't do here except stay ahead of the ever changing video encoding at www.cnn.com, I can play all the other networks videos, and I could play cnn's stuff 2 weeks ago. >> > > As for Second Life, I've heard of the game, but not the chat agent. > >It's a chat program, I meant. 3D. Works fine here on GNOME. In KDE all the > graphics were messed up. > I use the various IRC programs, all of which work on the machine I might be in front of ATM, but other than smiley translations, that is all text based. It gets the job done, and its universal whereas a lot of the yahoo etc offerings are both proprietary, and because they are non std, lock non users out. That's not how I play the game. >Marti The name '3D' still doesn't ring any bells, nothing remotely resembling that shows up in the smart list, smart being the package manager I use here. If I think of it, I'll check the listing adept gives me on the kubuntu box tomorrow. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) According to my best recollection, I don't remember. -- Vincent "Jimmy Blue Eyes" Alo From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 05:56:03 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:56:03 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> References: <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: <200709190156.05833.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Manuel McLure wrote: >On Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:58:02 Greg Booth wrote: >> I also started on DOS 6.0, that file manager was SLICK baby !! All >> applications were installed to hard drive and started from command >> line. You'll find the linux community tends to be older than most >> online communities. > >Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes >for "file management." Gotcha beat, a Quest Super ELF, circa 1977-78, 256 bytes of ram. I expanded it some, built some special I/O for it including video, and left it doing a job at KRCR-TV for the next 12+ years. I've done that with TRS-80 Color Computers too, emulating Grass Valleys $20,000 EDISK, 4x faster and better (english filenames!) for about $300. >From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a >286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, > and finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era Infidel. :-) The only reason I booted XP on the lappy was to find out what radio was in it, and where the driver was so's I could setup ndiswrapper for linux. Works perfectly. And to prove to the guy's at circuit city that the dvd writer had died when it did. > (while still working with Xenix and UNIX.) > >-- >Manuel A. McLure WW1FA >...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, >no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft I don't know about that, one wag, here about a year ago said that while there were "so many cats, but too few good recipes" :-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Humor in the Court: Q: What is your relationship with the plaintiff? A: She is my daughter. Q: Was she your daughter on February 13, 1979? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 05:57:39 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:57:39 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709190157.39530.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: >Manuel McLure wrote: >> Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes >> for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a >> 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, >> and finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working >> with Xenix and UNIX.) > >Harumph! I started with Level I Basic on an 8K TRS-80, and had to supply >my own electrons. Radio Shack sold them in little cardboard tubes like >those you bought BB's in. Some days, I'd go through five or six tubes of >electrons, and have to go back to the 'Shack for more. And it was 25 >miles away. Up hill! Both ways! > >stew You wouldn't tell a fib now would you, Stew? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Adore, v.: To venerate expectantly. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 05:56:47 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:56:47 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <0ob5s4-iko.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200709190756.47973.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 21:42, Marti Andrews wrote: > I have never understood computers, they never seem to work the same way > twice. I just tinker until they DO work. Heh :) That's almost exactly my take! You might pick up a trick or two along the way but you have the right approach. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 06:02:51 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:02:51 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <46F01E61.3080004@gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <72b5s4-2jo.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46F01E61.3080004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709190802.51987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > workgroup = HOME > I don't know if case is important. Samba then has to be restarted (sudo > /etc/init.d/samba restart) My smb.conf has that exact line. On Derek's advice I am leaving XP out of the picture and only trying to get to smb://donnsbox/MyFiles from Konqueror. So far, all I get is "Timeout on server" and I have restarted samba. I don't get it cos the people on the original thread that I followed are all greatfull to the OP for how well it worked. I do the exact same thing and ... fizzzzz... They really should have called it "Dirge" rather than Samba! /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 06:14:55 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:14:55 +0200 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. In-Reply-To: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> References: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> Message-ID: <200709190814.55232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 22:41, Darryl Tidd wrote: > However, when it is time for the screen saver to > start, I get a blank screen. Just a wild stab in the dark, but are you using 3D savers? If so, perhaps your 3d drivers are the problem. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 06:21:03 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:21:03 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181237.12095.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <200709181237.12095.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <200709190821.03462.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I suspect that there are quite a few like me, who > really don't want to fiddle with their OS (for the time being), but who > like various aspects of Linux and, consequently, haven't used Windows for > awhile. LTS is nice. I dislike the 6 month "Scrap it all and clear the next month of weekends" cycle. I have been off Windows for almost 6 years, except recently when Kubuntu simply could not connect to my ISP via VPN and I was forced onto the XP laptop (which is a Toshiba upon which Kubuntu is another whole story). I am so happy to be back on Kubuntu (via pppoe) -- everything is just so superior to XP. Oh yeah: Z80A on various plastic boxes, a little C/PM, then DOS and finally all the Window Pains up to XP before I made the jump. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 06:27:43 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:27:43 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709190827.43909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > sudo sux - > instead of > sudo su - > and you'll be able to open graphical utilities from the shell. I nearly got all excited, then: ~:$ sudo sux - Password: sudo: sux: command not found I agree, that sux :D /d From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 19 11:28:18 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:28:18 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <200709182133.08761.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709182133.08761.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <17E709ED7F554F4289697A4A1BE88597@AndrewNotebook> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: Did you get all the way into a graphical desktop on the live CD that time? No I didn't. In fact, the only way I can get it to boot at all (with CD or DVD) is pressing F6 at the boot options screen, adding "break=top" to the line that pops up, and them adding "modprobe piix" and then "exit" to the next screen it stops at. Otherwise, I'll get another error. I have no idea what this does, I just learned it here earlier this week. Andrew Jarret wrote: 1. Wait for like 15 minutes (already suggested). I think that if you wait long enough it will probably give up and continue onwards to KDE. 2. Try to use switch between ttys with that keyboard shortcut (I think it is Ctl + Alt + [F2-F4]) to see if you can get a login prompt. This probably won't work if Feisty gets stuck during the boot process. I put it on to boot last night before going to bed; this morning it was a black screen. As soon as I finished this email, I'm going to try again and watch it the whole way through. 3. I was going to say you could try removing the wireless card, but this isn't feasible since you are using a laptop. You might be able to disable the wireless card from within the BIOS, but I am not sure if this will affect Kubuntu's booting process. While you're at it, you could also try pressing the Disable/Enable Wireless button that I am sure is somewhere on your Inspiron while it is booting (I don't think it would do anything before Kubuntu starts to boot). I tried turned the wireless card off when booting, but that didn't change anything. Also, I made sure the drivers for my Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller were up to date; I assume that's the piece that's causing the problem. I could disable it from the Device Manager, but I don't want to hurt anything. If it's almost impossible to fix a hardware problem, I might be better off using Gentoo . . . at least it loaded without any errors. I'm willing to try almost anything to get Kubuntu running, but I don't know what any of this means. (At least in windows, I can understand the error messages ;-) Thanks, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For some reason PClinuxOS has beaten Ubuntu on Distrowatch so that might be good to try also. This maybe lazy but I find it often easier to burn a few cds and test them than to fix the problem. On the other hand you learn more fixing the problem. I also would recommend there weekly free net publication to all who want to learn and keep up with Linux. Be sure to read the users comments. If you are having problems I would stay away from Gentoo unless you just have a lot of time and want to learn. Sabayon is based on Gentoo as Ubuntu is based on Dibian. But before you give up, is there not a setting when booting from the CD to turn off options and stuff? Maybe someone can say what to turn off there? Of course all those other posted ideas look good too! Good luck. Douglas From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 11:46:30 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:46:30 -0400 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <200709190802.51987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <72b5s4-2jo.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46F01E61.3080004@gmail.com> <200709190802.51987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> Donn wrote: >> workgroup = HOME >> I don't know if case is important. Samba then has to be restarted (sudo >> /etc/init.d/samba restart) >> > > My smb.conf has that exact line. On Derek's advice I am leaving XP out of the > picture and only trying to get to smb://donnsbox/MyFiles from Konqueror. So > far, all I get is "Timeout on server" and I have restarted samba. > > I don't get it cos the people on the original thread that I followed are all > greatfull to the OP for how well it worked. I do the exact same thing and ... > fizzzzz... > > They really should have called it "Dirge" rather than Samba! Hehehehe...I like it! I know it's obvious, and you've already tried and all, but...can you ping one box to the other? stew From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Wed Sep 19 11:53:01 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:53:01 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> References: <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <720b310e0709181058y7fef4e45m896d9330345e71c8@mail.gmail.com> <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> Message-ID: <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:06:34 -0700 Manuel McLure wrote: > > Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes > for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a > 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, and > finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working with > Xenix and UNIX.) > > -- > Manuel A. McLure WW1FA > ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, > no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft > Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. Anyone remember that one? Neil Winchurst From will04 at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 12:06:30 2007 From: will04 at gmail.com (Will) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:06:30 -0400 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. In-Reply-To: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> References: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> Message-ID: <79e83c70709190506i42f61d66wc9e5cf3bbc7700bd@mail.gmail.com> I have this problem too, without using paswwords. It worked after my install for 1 or 2 days last week. Now there is just a blank screen coming up. Monitor power settings are off. Will On 9/18/07, Darryl Tidd wrote: > > I am Running KUBUNTU 7.04. I have the screen saver set and have selected > to > require password to stop. However, when it is time for the screen saver > to > start, I get a blank screen. I have checked the auto power settings and > what > have you, and there is no problem there. I am not using power off > settings. > So I am looking for ideas on how to get my screen saver functioning > properly. > > -- > Darryl > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From will04 at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 12:16:14 2007 From: will04 at gmail.com (Will) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:16:14 -0400 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <9fc2408f0709181154yb718647m6de5a8869ff37845@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709181614.29618.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9fc2408f0709181154yb718647m6de5a8869ff37845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79e83c70709190516y1bde5cady5b4a1c90e6a85eab@mail.gmail.com> I'm guessing the ext2 program for windows does not do what you want? I browse my Kubuntu partition files from windows. Bill On 9/18/07, Tim M wrote: > > Nah, I am just too thick to get Samba to work. I tried to > > > monkey-copy-monkey-paste my way through it, but 'taint happening! > > > > I have tried every combination of username and password on both sides of > > the > > O/S divide and one simply cannot see the other. > > > > Can anyone take me by the hand as I aim for: > > 1. Open an Exploder window on XP and browse a folder on Kubuntu (with > > rw) > > 2. Open a Konqy on Kubuntu and browse a folder on XP (with rw) > > 3. Be secure about it! > > > > Any boffins out there > > > Donn, SAMBA is a hard nut to crack. If anyone is to thick to get Samba > running it is ME. But I kept at it and finally got it working. I am on the > road so I don't have access to my server (didn't get it completed before I > left) but if I remember correctly smb.conf was a source of a lot of the > problems. I found a book that helped me set it up. Ubuntu Hacks I believe is > the name. While it is not perfect it gives you the steps to follow. I would > try to set it up on an old machine first . . . I finally got SAMBA working > only to to find that ssh didn't work. It took lot of time but now both work > well. Good luck and don't give up. Remember the most fun is in the journey . > . . have fun with it. > > Tim > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 12:17:13 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:17:13 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709190827.43909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200709190827.43909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709190717.13941.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 01:27:43 am Donn wrote: > > sudo sux - > > instead of > > sudo su - > > and you'll be able to open graphical utilities from the shell. > > I nearly got all excited, then: > > ~:$ sudo sux - > Password: > sudo: sux: command not found > > I agree, that sux :D > > > /d you have to apt-get it. Its not installed by default. If you read my original message I told him how to install it. sudo apt-get install sux Its worth it. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 12:09:48 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:09:48 +0200 Subject: Have to put login password in twice before accepted In-Reply-To: <6c0ca2f50709181910g4ad90d80p286a52887f8f6cc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c0ca2f50709181910g4ad90d80p286a52887f8f6cc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709191409.48513.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On 19/9/2007, Mal Wanstall wrote: > Not sure whether this is more suited to the KDE list but thought I'd try my > luck here. Whenever I first boot up the computer to login to Feisty I enter > my username and password and hit enter and it gives me the "Password > Incorrect" message, however the second time when I enter the _exact_ same > password, it accepts it. At first I thought it might be my stubby fingers > but I have meticulously checked that the first time I enter the password it > is correct. This happens every single time I try to login... It's happening to me quite often and not only at boot. It's probably a misspelling issue, but I've notice that it happens if I hit the Enter key too fast after the last letter. Waiting just a second more before entering usually solves it. -- lanzen From will04 at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 12:59:05 2007 From: will04 at gmail.com (Will) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:59:05 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79e83c70709190559i5a05d319s26ed736c66168868@mail.gmail.com> I installed the latest Kubuntu with KDE 3.5, as a dual boot with XP, switching from SUSE 10.2 Gnome. My USB stick, CDRoms and USB drive all pop up with cute icon pictures on my desktop. Great for a light user like me. Thought you should know while evaluating KDE. Will On 9/19/07, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Monday 17 September 2007 05:55:42 am Marti Andrews wrote: > > Okay here I am in KDE, over top of Ubuntu. I keep reading about this > fstab > > folder, I don't have one. And once again, I can't find my usb drive, or > my > > other hard drive, in order to get to the contents of them. In GNOME, the > > icon of the usb drive was right on my desktop and it was easy to add the > > other one as well. I can't even find them to add them TO the desktop, in > > KDE. And I'm a she, not a he. Hehe. > > > > I DO like KDE better, so I'll keep taking a stab at this. > > > > Marti > > > > > On Sunday 16 September 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > > KDE & Gnome _don't_ generally find your fixed drives (USB connected > > > > drives are another matter). The fixed drives are listed in > /etc/fstab > > > > and I guarantee the same version of Ubuntu & Kubuntu will find the > same > > > > ones. > > > > > > This is what I was getting at with my own assessment as well. I > assumed > > > the bits he wasn't seeing via Kubuntu should be in the category of > stuff > > > the installer would put into fstab, so it should be desktop-neutral. > > > > > > Now that I re-read and realize he said "NTFS" instead of "NFS" (I > didn't > > > think his perspective through, and I switched away from Windows before > > > NTFS was common) I'm thinking it's probably something different at the > > > desktop level, and the user is finding the GNOME way more intuitive > for > > > this. > > > > > > GNOME and KDE really are quite different, and maybe this issue really > is > > > a userland problem after all. It sounds like maybe the GNOME way of > > > doing whatever this user is trying to do is more intuitive to him. > > > > > > I can't really understand the underlying issue, since I don't have any > > > NTFS partitions, and seldom use graphical file browsers for anything. > > > I'm afraid I can't relate well enough to be of further use. > > > -- > > > D. Michael McIntyre > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > I haven't read through the VERY long now, thread so forgive me if anyone > has > mentioned this. > > You may need to delete the ".hidden" (note: the period is important, its a > signal to Linux to hide a file) files in both / (the root of the Directory > structure) and in /media > > type this in a text console: > sudo rm /.hidden > then type this: > sudo rm /media/.hidden > > If sudo asks for a password its YOUR password. > Then you should be able to view all the directories on your system. > > Also if you: > sudo su - > > (make sure you include the dash "-" at the end.) > > you can just browse around as root and compare what you see in the window > as > you. > > to open a konqueror window as root you'll need "sux" installed. > > sudo apt-get install sux > > is the command. > Once that's done: > > sudo sux - > instead of > sudo su - > and you'll be able to open graphical utilities from the shell. :-D > > (If you hit [Alt]+[F2] you'll get a run command line similar to Windoze, > type "konsole" and hit enter and you'll get a command shell). > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 12:36:11 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:36:11 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709161233.14924.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709182325.18326.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > to open a konqueror window as root you'll need "sux" installed. > > sudo apt-get install sux > Huh? How about "sudo konqueror" or "kdesu konqueror" (the latter which you can also run from alt-f2 or katapult). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 12:46:00 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:46:00 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <72b5s4-2jo.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <46F01E61.3080004@gmail.com> <200709190802.51987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99i7s4-26v.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Stew Schneider wrote: > Donn wrote: >>> workgroup = HOME >>> I don't know if case is important. Samba then has to be restarted (sudo >>> /etc/init.d/samba restart) >>> >> >> My smb.conf has that exact line. On Derek's advice I am leaving XP out of >> the picture and only trying to get to smb://donnsbox/MyFiles from >> Konqueror. So far, all I get is "Timeout on server" and I have restarted >> samba. >> >> I don't get it cos the people on the original thread that I followed are >> all greatfull to the OP for how well it worked. I do the exact same thing >> and ... fizzzzz... >> >> They really should have called it "Dirge" rather than Samba! > Hehehehe...I like it! > > I know it's obvious, and you've already tried and all, but...can you > ping one box to the other? Donn; first try smb://localhost/ - as Stew is pointing out, first you have to rule out network issues. Also check: # sudo netstat -plant | grep smb tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd If you don't see those two sockets, samba isn't working properly. Try "telnet localhost 139" (and again for port 145) and if you don't get "Connected to localhost", you have a network problem (possibly firewall related). If that works, do the same for host "donnsbox" - again if you can't connect it's a network issue. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 12:32:10 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:32:10 -0300 Subject: Have to put login password in twice before accepted References: <6c0ca2f50709181910g4ad90d80p286a52887f8f6cc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mal Wanstall wrote: > Not sure whether this is more suited to the KDE list but thought I'd try > my luck here. Whenever I first boot up the computer to login to Feisty I > enter my username and password and hit enter and it gives me the "Password > Incorrect" message, however the second time when I enter the _exact_ same > password, it accepts it. At first I thought it might be my stubby fingers > but I have meticulously checked that the first time I enter the password > it is correct. This happens every single time I try to login... > > It's not the end of the world but I'd really like to know why it's > happening. Is this in the kdm login screen? Is there perhaps (and I don't know how it could happen) an extra character in either field before you start typing. Try backspacing across the fields first, so that you know nothing is in there before you type. -- derek From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 19 13:27:58 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:27:58 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <17E709ED7F554F4289697A4A1BE88597@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com><200709182133.08761.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <17E709ED7F554F4289697A4A1BE88597@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <429305F8BF43436681BC848BCF984BF8@AndrewNotebook> Andrew Jarret wrote: 2. Try to use switch between ttys with that keyboard shortcut (I think it is Ctl + Alt + [F2-F4]) to see if you can get a login prompt. This probably won't work if Feisty gets stuck during the boot process. THIS WORKED!! I was able to get to a prompt! What do I put in now? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Wed Sep 19 13:41:23 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:41:23 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM > mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the > beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. > Anyone remember that one? Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) Nils From darryl.tidd at daaokc.com Wed Sep 19 13:41:42 2007 From: darryl.tidd at daaokc.com (Darryl Tidd) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:41:42 -0500 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. In-Reply-To: <200709190814.55232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> <200709190814.55232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709190841.42865.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> It happens regardless of the screen saver type. I have used both 3d and non-3d. Also, it works fine if I hit ctrl+alt+l to lock the screen, screen saver comes up fine then. On Wednesday 19 September 2007 01:14:55 am Donn wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 22:41, Darryl Tidd wrote: > > However, when it is time for the screen saver to > > start, I get a blank screen. > > Just a wild stab in the dark, but are you using 3D savers? If so, perhaps your > 3d drivers are the problem. > > /d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Darryl Tidd PC Specialist Dealers Auto Auction of OKC 1028 S. Portland Oklahoma City, OK 73108 (405)947-2886 From hattingh.fredre at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:52:16 2007 From: hattingh.fredre at gmail.com (Fredre Hattingh) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:52:16 +0200 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <429305F8BF43436681BC848BCF984BF8@AndrewNotebook> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook> <200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709182133.08761.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <17E709ED7F554F4289697A4A1BE88597@AndrewNotebook> <429305F8BF43436681BC848BCF984BF8@AndrewNotebook> Message-ID: <9ef5f6de0709190652u6581ec73qb8b08450ce9fda4b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/19/07, Andrew Burgess wrote: > > > Andrew Jarret wrote: > 2. Try to use switch between ttys with that keyboard shortcut (I think > it is Ctl + Alt + [F2-F4]) to see if you can get a login prompt. This > probably won't work if Feisty gets stuck during the boot process. > > THIS WORKED!! I was able to get to a prompt! What do I put in now? Hi, Did it ask you for a user name/password ? If not try the command: startx to try and start the X server From ap_burgess at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 19 14:09:16 2007 From: ap_burgess at yahoo.ca (Andrew Burgess) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:09:16 -0400 Subject: Problems with a live CD In-Reply-To: <9ef5f6de0709190652u6581ec73qb8b08450ce9fda4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <78A4937F1020437394DAA64554C54C74@AndrewNotebook><200709182003.03846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com><200709182133.08761.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com><17E709ED7F554F4289697A4A1BE88597@AndrewNotebook><429305F8BF43436681BC848BCF984BF8@AndrewNotebook> <9ef5f6de0709190652u6581ec73qb8b08450ce9fda4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20489092EC974F7C972A1B3888A0F06A@AndrewNotebook> Fredre wrote: If not try the command: startx to try and start the X server. It doesn't ask me for a username/password, so I gave this a try and got "Fatal Error: No Screen" (or something like that). Right under that was the same old bcm43xx error. 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URL: From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 14:12:07 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:12:07 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for > somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference > engine with Charles Babbage :)) Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. I think we made the right decision. stew From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 14:21:43 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:21:43 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709190802.51987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709191621.43912.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I know it's obvious, and you've already tried and all, but...can you > ping one box to the other? Yup sure can. I ssh from Xp to Kubuntu quite often too. I could just use ssh both ways, but thought I'd give samba a shake. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 14:30:03 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:30:03 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <99i7s4-26v.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> <99i7s4-26v.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200709191630.03726.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Also check: > # sudo netstat -plant | grep smb > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd Right - I don't get these lines. How can I see what's choking smb? I have looked in /var/log/samba and most are empty. There is something odd in log.nmbd.1.gz: [2007/03/13 12:56:45, 0] param/loadparm.c:map_parameter(2649) Unknown parameter encountered: "iterfaces" Which continues in that fashion for a while. Seems there may be a spelling error in the c code itself. I dunno. I checked the smb.conf and it does not contain "iterfaces" anywhere. I get no obvious errors when I start samba. > If you don't see those two sockets, samba isn't working properly. > Try "telnet localhost 139" (and again for port 145) and if you don't > get "Connected to localhost", you have a network problem (possibly firewall > related). I am pretty sure I have no firewall running. I have been trying to learn iptables and all I have at the moment is a masquerade through to the XP box for sharing the net. My Kubuntu box has two network cards. /d From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:53:49 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:53:49 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> Message-ID: Okay, I did this, and can now access my internal ntfs hard drive, but I cannot access my usb external hard drive, also ntfs. I can mount it, but I cannot open it. We're getting there, I think! Marti > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:48:20 +0200 > From: technowizard at gmx.net > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > > Hallo Marti > > > If that worked, there is one problem left: you probably can't write to > > your NTFS partition. However I can't elp you with that problem. > You need ntfs-3g and ntfs-config. Install them and then start the "NTFS > Configuration Tool" under "System Tools". Activate ntfs-3g for internal > and external drives and configure automatically. > > Now you should habe write access. > > Jan > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 14:30:37 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:30:37 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <79e83c70709190516y1bde5cady5b4a1c90e6a85eab@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9fc2408f0709181154yb718647m6de5a8869ff37845@mail.gmail.com> <79e83c70709190516y1bde5cady5b4a1c90e6a85eab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709191630.38007.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'm guessing the ext2 program for windows does not do what you want? I > browse my Kubuntu partition files from windows. That would be my approach for sure, but I have two machines - one per O/S. /d From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 19 14:33:31 2007 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:31 -0400 Subject: Is this the right place to ask questions about installing Compiz-Fusion? Message-ID: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Or is it such a specialized topic that I should refer this to a website forum? I'm trying to install compiz-fusion on Kubuntu Feisty KDE and having absolutely no success. I follow the instructions at http://sathyasays.com/?p=34 and the only response after a "compiz --replace" is for all but one window to disappear. That window also loses it's border with the various Close, Minimize, Expand buttons and the Title Bar. There is thus no way to move or resize it. I must then log out through the K menu and never restart compiz. Thanks, Bob -- Good day to let down old friends who need help. From will04 at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 14:50:44 2007 From: will04 at gmail.com (Will) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:50:44 -0400 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. In-Reply-To: <200709190841.42865.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> References: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> <200709190814.55232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709190841.42865.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> Message-ID: <79e83c70709190750k5f0afa0flcffcb58ccb397d05@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the tip. It is better than the blank screen. Reminds me of when I goofed a Linux install a few years back and I lost my Win partition and everything with it. My interest is returning with Ubuntu. Will On 9/19/07, Darryl Tidd wrote: > > It happens regardless of the screen saver type. I have used both 3d and > non-3d. Also, it works fine if I hit ctrl+alt+l to lock the screen, > screen > saver comes up fine then. > > > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 01:14:55 am Donn wrote: > > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 22:41, Darryl Tidd wrote: > > > However, when it is time for the screen saver to > > > start, I get a blank screen. > > > > Just a wild stab in the dark, but are you using 3D savers? If so, > perhaps > your > > 3d drivers are the problem. > > > > /d > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > Darryl Tidd > PC Specialist > Dealers Auto Auction of OKC > 1028 S. Portland > Oklahoma City, OK 73108 > (405)947-2886 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulatgm at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 15:09:42 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:09:42 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46F13BB6.3090408@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre said the following on 09/18/2007 06:25 PM: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Rick wrote: > >> I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, >> it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, >> why is that... > > Specific example? I use KPDF a great deal, and I've never seen anything like > the problem you describe. Try this: https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/requestformfinal.pdf From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 14:41:59 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:41:59 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stew Schneider wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference >> engine with Charles Babbage :)) > Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can > humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree as > "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I suggested > that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" > would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. > > I think we made the right decision. Heck, even that one mention resulted in snorty noises here. Of course, on first reading I saw "snotty noses", which happens too :-) -- derek From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Wed Sep 19 15:30:51 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:30:51 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20070919163051.f4fc3dc8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:41:23 +0200 Nils Kassube wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM > > mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the > > beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. > > Anyone remember that one? > > Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for > somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference > engine with Charles Babbage :)) > > > Nils > No, I can't quite remember meeting him, nor Ada Lovelace mores the pity if pictures of her are anything to go by. Neil From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 19 15:46:49 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:46:49 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F14469.6080803@tiscali.co.uk> Stew Schneider wrote: > Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can > humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree as > "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I suggested > that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" > would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. > > I think we made the right decision. > > stew I'm so glad your view prevailed! After all, it's bad enough that the root of the tree is at the top, how confusing would it have been if the bottom was at the top??? :@þ -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From nalon at terra.com.br Wed Sep 19 16:03:32 2007 From: nalon at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Alexandre_Nalon?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:03:32 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070919163051.f4fc3dc8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <20070919163051.f4fc3dc8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709191303.32227.nalon@terra.com.br> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:30:51 Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:41:23 +0200 > > Nils Kassube wrote: > > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > > Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM > > > mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the > > > beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. > > > Anyone remember that one? > > > > Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for > > somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference > > engine with Charles Babbage :)) > > > > > > Nils > > No, I can't quite remember meeting him, nor Ada Lovelace mores the pity > if pictures of her are anything to go by. > > Neil Pft. Difference Engines. You kids have it easy these days. In my time, we had to carve 0's and 1's in clay tablets, and bake them to retain some data. Programming was not for every- one, since debugging consisted in dealing with plagues of locusts. And don't get me started with these "download" things -- we didn't have downloads, it was uphill both ways, and those damn tablets were heavy! Sorry. -- José Alexandre Nalon nalon at terra.com.br From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 16:02:37 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:02:37 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200709191202.37602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Neil Winchurst wrote: >On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:06:34 -0700 > >Manuel McLure wrote: >> Bah, newbie. I started on a TRS-80 Model I (Level II Basic) with cassettes >> for "file management." From there I moved to QNX and DOS (dual boot on a >> 286-based PC with 30 megs of HD space,) from there to Xenix and SCO UNIX, >> and finally started using Windows in the late 3.1 era (while still working >> with Xenix and UNIX.) >> >> -- >> Manuel A. McLure WW1FA >> ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, >> no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft > >Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM >mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the >beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. >Anyone remember that one? > >Neil Winchurst In the middle-late 1950's, I saw the machine used to grade the Iowa Tests then used in the school systems to evaluate kids, but I don't know if it would actually qualify as a computer. It used a modified Harris printing press to present the test forms to the photocell array, and a 12,000 tube (12AU7's IIRC) processor that may have been one of the first eniacs. SUI built the building it was in around it, probably the most air conditioned building on campus in Iowa City at the time. But I didn't work on it, not having been infected with the digital virus yet. The folks who were afraid I was gonna put fingerprints on 'their' baby weren't aware of the score I made on the test they were grading either. :-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is sweet to let the mind unbend on occasion. -- Quintus Horatius Flaccus (Horace) From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 15:57:05 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:57:05 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> <99i7s4-26v.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200709191630.03726.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: >> Also check: >> # sudo netstat -plant | grep smb >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd > Right - I don't get these lines. How can I see what's choking smb? > > I have looked in /var/log/samba and most are empty. > There is something odd in log.nmbd.1.gz: > > [2007/03/13 12:56:45, 0] param/loadparm.c:map_parameter(2649) > Unknown parameter encountered: "iterfaces" > > Which continues in that fashion for a while. Seems there may be a spelling > error in the c code itself. I dunno. I checked the smb.conf and it does > not contain "iterfaces" anywhere. btw, I trust you're checking the smb.conf in /etc/samba/smb.conf, not the one I just found in /usr/share/samba/smb.conf! -- derek From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 16:07:21 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:07:21 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709191207.21872.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Nils Kassube wrote: >Neil Winchurst wrote: >> Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM >> mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the >> beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. >> Anyone remember that one? > >Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference >engine with Charles Babbage :)) I'm an old fart, yes, but I'm afraid that really is before our times. But its an interesting concept, just exactly who would have been an intelligent enough contemporary to Charles that he could have had a meaningfull discussion with them, and without having his ideas stolen? Food for a novel maybe? >Nils -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Sometimes even to live is an act of courage. -- Seneca From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 16:10:04 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:10:04 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F149DC.2080009@sbcglobal.net> Stew Schneider wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference >> engine with Charles Babbage :)) >> > Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can > humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree as > "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I suggested > that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" > would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. > > I think we made the right decision. > > stew > > > I'm making snorting noises. Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 15:52:55 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:52:55 -0300 Subject: Samba Samba! References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <46F10C16.2020600@gmail.com> <99i7s4-26v.ln1@pointerstop.ca> <200709191630.03726.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: >> Also check: >> # sudo netstat -plant | grep smb >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31483/smbd > Right - I don't get these lines. How can I see what's choking smb? > > I have looked in /var/log/samba and most are empty. > There is something odd in log.nmbd.1.gz: > > [2007/03/13 12:56:45, 0] param/loadparm.c:map_parameter(2649) > Unknown parameter encountered: "iterfaces" > > Which continues in that fashion for a while. Seems there may be a spelling > error in the c code itself. I dunno. I checked the smb.conf and it does > not contain "iterfaces" anywhere. I wouldn't have thought. Now, you should really know better, Donn: google "param/loadparm.c:map_parameter". The first link I get is a reference to "winbind daemon not running". Somebody's obviously run into problems like this. A quick look suggests that you really need to believe the message and recheck smb.conf, since all the similar problems appear to be from reading the config file. > I get no obvious errors when I start samba. I'd say that was an obvious error :-) >> If you don't see those two sockets, samba isn't working properly. >> Try "telnet localhost 139" (and again for port 145) and if you don't >> get "Connected to localhost", you have a network problem (possibly >> firewall related). > I am pretty sure I have no firewall running. I have been trying to learn > iptables and all I have at the moment is a masquerade through to the XP > box for sharing the net. My Kubuntu box has two network cards. It's not the firewall - if you don't even have those sockets active, smbd has either failed, or at least not properly initialized. You can't do a thing without them. -- derek From lists at pavri.net Wed Sep 19 16:21:57 2007 From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:51:57 +0530 Subject: kdm not starting up -- sometimes Message-ID: <20070919162157.GD6660@natrum> Hi, I am using kubuntu feisty and I am encountering two problems. 1. When booting up, right after the grub prompt and the message saying: starting ... the screen goes blank. Boot up will only proceed if I press alt-F1. I have found this key combo purely by luck :). 2. Nine times out of ten, the screen goes blank right after the messages say reading /etc/rc.local. Nothing works at this moment. There is no response to any key press. I must use the reset switch. The kdm screeen comes up definitely the next time. This behaviour has started after a fortnight or so after the initial install. thanks, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds? From bootgr at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 16:29:18 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:29:18 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191202.37602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191202.37602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709190929j14f2ad2ar72cc0abe985f7c4@mail.gmail.com> > In the middle-late 1950's, I saw the machine used to grade the Iowa Tests then > used in the school systems to evaluate kids, but I don't know if it would > actually qualify as a computer. It used a modified Harris printing press to > present the test forms to the photocell array, and a 12,000 tube (12AU7's > IIRC) processor that may have been one of the first eniacs. SUI built the > building it was in around it, probably the most air conditioned building on > campus in Iowa City at the time. But I didn't work on it, not having been > infected with the digital virus yet. The folks who were afraid I was gonna > put fingerprints on 'their' baby weren't aware of the score I made on the > test they were grading either. :-) > > -- > Cheers, Gene Whoa, I live in North Liberty, just outside Iowa City. You still in corn land Gene ?? G From ejviolet at yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 16:40:15 2007 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191303.32227.nalon@terra.com.br> Message-ID: <3544.75687.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- José Alexandre Nalon wrote: > In my time, we had to carve 0's and 1's in clay tablets, WOW! You had 0! Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 16:34:27 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:34:27 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu References: <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <200709191207.21872.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Nils Kassube wrote: >>Neil Winchurst wrote: >>> Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM >>> mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the >>> beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. >>> Anyone remember that one? >> >>Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >>somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference >>engine with Charles Babbage :)) > > I'm an old fart, yes, but I'm afraid that really is before our times. > > But its an interesting concept, just exactly who would have been an > intelligent enough contemporary to Charles that he could have had a > meaningfull discussion with them, and without having his ideas stolen? > > Food for a novel maybe? Sterling & Gibson, /The Difference Engine/ -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 19 16:37:23 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:37:23 -0300 Subject: kdm not starting up -- sometimes References: <20070919162157.GD6660@natrum> Message-ID: <3rv7s4-o51.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > I am using kubuntu feisty and I am encountering two problems. > > 1. When booting up, right after the grub prompt and the message saying: > starting ... > > the screen goes blank. Boot up will only proceed if I press alt-F1. I have > found this key combo purely by luck :). > > > 2. Nine times out of ten, the screen goes blank right after the messages > say reading /etc/rc.local. > > Nothing works at this moment. There is no response to any key press. I > must use the reset switch. The kdm screeen comes up definitely the next > time. > > This behaviour has started after a fortnight or so after the initial > install. Are you certain it has hung? Sometimes there can be a long (~5 minutes) wait here if networking is configured poorly. What happens if you modify the boot options to include "nosplash" and exclude "quiet". Do you see more messages? -- derek From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Sep 19 17:10:17 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:10:17 +0100 Subject: kdm not starting up -- sometimes In-Reply-To: <20070919162157.GD6660@natrum> References: <20070919162157.GD6660@natrum> Message-ID: <46F157F9.80403@stdin.me.uk> Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > Hi, > > I am using kubuntu feisty and I am encountering two problems. > > 1. When booting up, right after the grub prompt and the message saying: > starting ... > > the screen goes blank. Boot up will only proceed if I press alt-F1. I have > found this key combo purely by luck :). > > > 2. Nine times out of ten, the screen goes blank right after the messages > say reading /etc/rc.local. > > Nothing works at this moment. There is no response to any key press. I > must use the reset switch. The kdm screeen comes up definitely the next > time. > > This behaviour has started after a fortnight or so after the initial install. > > thanks, > > Sharukh. > Just a guess, but try editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove all the words "splash" then save. It will disable the boot splash which may be causing the problem somehow. Terence From phillipd at oem.doe.gov Wed Sep 19 17:15:11 2007 From: phillipd at oem.doe.gov (Douglas Phillipson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:15:11 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F149DC.2080009@sbcglobal.net> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> <46F149DC.2080009@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <46F1591F.6050704@oem.doe.gov> Steven Vollom wrote: > Stew Schneider wrote: >> Nils Kassube wrote: >> >>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the >>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) >>> >> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can >> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree >> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I >> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting >> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. >> >> I think we made the right decision. >> >> stew >> >> >> > I'm making snorting noises. > Steven > Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? Doug P From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 17:21:00 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F15A7C.3000803@gmail.com> Marti Andrews wrote: > Okay, I did this, and can now access my internal ntfs hard drive, but I cannot access my usb external hard drive, also ntfs. I can mount it, but I cannot open it. > > We're getting there, I think! I visited with Marti via IM the other night. I couldn't mount her external USB drive, either. Marti told me that she hadn't formatted the drive, just plugged it in and recorded something on it. Guessing that it was FAT32 andthat it had been designated /dev/hdc1, I had her run fdisk on it and printed the table. It was hash. That could be the problem. stew From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 17:22:47 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:22:47 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F15AE7.8090802@gmail.com> Marti Andrews wrote: > Okay, I did this, and can now access my internal ntfs hard drive, but I cannot access my usb external hard drive, also ntfs. I can mount it, but I cannot open it. > > > Oh, and I recall we had a discussion of mounting NTFS USB drives earlier. I could not get ntfs-config to recognize mine. I eventually formatted it in ext3 and used IFS from the windows machine, but she may be having that same problem. Anybody else successfully mount a NTFS USB drive? stew From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Wed Sep 19 17:24:54 2007 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:24:54 +0200 Subject: Flash troubles... Message-ID: <46F15B66.5080602@bluewin.ch> Some 15 days ago I sent to the list the following 'help!' call: "I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had first installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one day, it just stopped cold. Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this message came up: "The video timed out attempting to play. Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, how can I deactivate them?" Someone who replied to my message (and I somehow managed to lose that reply: please forgive me...) wanted to know whether I'd tried out to view video files on other site, e.g. YouTube. Well, I did try a number of other sites (YouTube, Eurosport.com, jovianarchives.com, ...) with no success. However, on these attempts I got no messages of any kind: only the relevant page featuring a frozen video window. By the way: I'd installed the Flash 9 player from the Adobe website because Adept only offered Flash 7, which is apparently not supported on the sites of many providers of video material. Any help will be thankfully appreciated jdh _________________ kubuntu 7.04 on i586 w/ 512 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Douglas Phillipson wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Stew Schneider wrote: >> >>> Nils Kassube wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >>>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the >>>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) >>>> >>>> >>> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can >>> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree >>> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I >>> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting >>> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. >>> >>> I think we made the right decision. >>> >>> stew >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I'm making snorting noises. >> Steven >> >> > Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? > > Doug P > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << tc at tomcloyd.com >> (email) << TomCloyd.com >> (website & psychotherapy weblog) << sleightmind.wordpress.com >> (mental health issues weblog) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Sep 19 18:01:26 2007 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:01:26 +0200 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46F163F6.10105@rmk.co.il> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Rick wrote: > >> I notice something odd, with print within kpdf, >> it will not print correct size like Adobe Reader does, >> why is that... > > Specific example? I use KPDF a great deal, and I've never seen anything like > the problem you describe. Try printing a .pdf in landscape orientation. I switched to Adobe Reader because kpdf just wouldn't print in landscape - well it would print but it came out in portrait and only half the .pdf - perhaps it is OK now?? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 18:35:56 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:35:56 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F14469.6080803@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> <46F14469.6080803@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: > Stew Schneider wrote: > > Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can > > humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree as > > "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I suggested > > that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" > > would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. > > > > I think we made the right decision. > > > > stew > I'm so glad your view prevailed! After all, it's bad enough that the > root of the tree is at the top, how confusing would it have been if the > bottom was at the top??? > Less is more! Douglas From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 18:39:48 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:39:48 +0200 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. In-Reply-To: <79e83c70709190750k5f0afa0flcffcb58ccb397d05@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> <200709190814.55232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709190841.42865.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> <79e83c70709190750k5f0afa0flcffcb58ccb397d05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Just to pipe in. I had this problem too after changing my screen saver but then it started working again after about a week. I have no idea why. I am often changing things around. Douglas From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 18:54:53 2007 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:54:53 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> <46F14469.6080803@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20070919195453.6152fba4.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:35:56 +0200 Knapp wrote: K> Less is more! "Or more or less, but rather less than more" -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From darryl.tidd at daaokc.com Wed Sep 19 18:57:35 2007 From: darryl.tidd at daaokc.com (Darryl Tidd) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:57:35 -0500 Subject: Screen Saver Etc. In-Reply-To: References: <200709181541.17042.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> <79e83c70709190750k5f0afa0flcffcb58ccb397d05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709191357.35284.darryl.tidd@daaokc.com> Well, I guess since the screen saver is pretty low on my priority list right now, I may just get to wait around for a week to see what happens. On Wednesday 19 September 2007 01:39:48 pm Knapp wrote: > Just to pipe in. I had this problem too after changing my screen saver > but then it started working again after about a week. I have no idea > why. I am often changing things around. > Douglas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Darryl Tidd PC Specialist Dealers Auto Auction of OKC 1028 S. Portland Oklahoma City, OK 73108 (405)947-2886 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 19:13:31 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:13:31 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709191630.03726.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709192113.31835.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > A quick look suggests that you really need to believe > the message and recheck smb.conf, since all the similar problems appear to > be from reading the config file. Okay, I guess I'll have to go further afield to scrape-together a working smb.conf. Man, this thing is a pig! > > I get no obvious errors when I start samba. > I'd say that was an obvious error :-) Well, I meant right there on the command line after starting samba. Digging in a compressed log file is hardly obvious! > btw, I trust you're checking the smb.conf in /etc/samba/smb.conf, not the > one I just found in /usr/share/samba/smb.conf! Yes, I'm hacking the right one! Good call, though, the fool-force is strong with me :) /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 19:27:21 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:27:21 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <3544.75687.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3544.75687.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200709192127.21079.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > WOW!  You had 0!   Bwah Ha Ha Ha :D Oh man! :D /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 19:47:41 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:47:41 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt Message-ID: <200709192147.41394.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hello again, I have (yet another) problem with my Internet connection. My WISP has recently switched to pppoe. I ran pppoeconf and it generated /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, all good. I use pon dsl-provider to connect and that works too. The mystery is this: after a time (that varies) the tap seems to close and I cannot surf or get mail. The ppp0 interface is still up but the taps are off. I 'poff' and 'pon' again and instantly the flow is back. What could be causing this? Any clues? /d From tpankonien at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 21:38:38 2007 From: tpankonien at gmail.com (Trevor) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0500 Subject: Is this the right place to ask questions about installing Compiz-Fusion? In-Reply-To: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <46F196DE.2050404@gmail.com> Robert Tilley wrote: > Or is it such a specialized topic that I should refer this to a website forum? > > I'm trying to install compiz-fusion on Kubuntu Feisty KDE and having > absolutely no success. I follow the instructions at > http://sathyasays.com/?p=34 and the only response after a "compiz --replace" > is for all but one window to disappear. That window also loses it's border > with the various Close, Minimize, Expand buttons and the Title Bar. There is > thus no way to move or resize it. I must then log out through the K menu and > never restart compiz. > > Thanks, Bob I am pretty sure I ran into this issue with my laptop that has an unsupported ATI video card in it. Run 'fglrxinfo' from the command line and post the results and we can go from there. Trevor From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 21:52:32 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:52:32 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F1633E.2040504@comcast.net> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <20070919125301.f1f18177.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> <46F149DC.2080009@sbcglobal.net> <46F1591F.6050704@oem.doe.gov> <46F1633E.2040504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46F19A20.9080005@sbcglobal.net> Tom Cloyd wrote: > Jeez, Doug, if you don't like it don't read it! Personally, I thought > this thread to be full-on funny. One of the best pieces of spontaneous > humor I've seen on any list (and I'm on many) for a long time. It > priceless. Consider being tolerant of the wishes of others to have a > good time once in a while, OK? > > T. > > Douglas Phillipson wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> >> >>> Stew Schneider wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Nils Kassube wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >>>>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the >>>>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can >>>> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree >>>> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I >>>> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting >>>> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. >>>> >>>> I think we made the right decision. >>>> >>>> stew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I'm making snorting noises. >>> Steven >>> >>> >>> >> Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? >> >> Doug P >> >> >> > > > It was something I needed. Too long, too serious, too stressed, to impatient, too much in need of a change of attitude going toward too happy, but not too happy yet and for a long time. I hate to lose the rest. Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank Arnold franka at svpal.org From david.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 19 21:56:24 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:56:24 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F1591F.6050704@oem.doe.gov> References: <46F149DC.2080009@sbcglobal.net> <46F1591F.6050704@oem.doe.gov> Message-ID: <200709191756.24805.david.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 1:15:11 pm Douglas Phillipson wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > Stew Schneider wrote: > >> Nils Kassube wrote: > >>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for > >>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the > >>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) > >> > >> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can > >> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree > >> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I > >> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting > >> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. > >> > >> I think we made the right decision. > >> > >> stew > > > > I'm making snorting noises. > > Steven > > Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? Now I'm snorting ;-) -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 19 21:59:23 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:59:23 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191303.32227.nalon@terra.com.br> References: <20070919163051.f4fc3dc8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200709191303.32227.nalon@terra.com.br> Message-ID: <200709191759.23622.david.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:03:32 pm José Alexandre Nalon wrote: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:30:51 Neil Winchurst wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:41:23 +0200 > > > > Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > > > Dare I mention that the first computer I was involved with was an IBM > > > > mainframe in 1962? I saw the whole PC business right from the > > > > beginning. Yes, I started with DOS back then, and before that CP/M. > > > > Anyone remember that one? > > > > > > Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for > > > somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the difference > > > engine with Charles Babbage :)) > > > > > > > > > Nils > > > > No, I can't quite remember meeting him, nor Ada Lovelace mores the pity > > if pictures of her are anything to go by. > > > > Neil > > Pft. Difference Engines. You kids have it easy these days. > In my time, we had to carve 0's and 1's in clay tablets, and > bake them to retain some data. Programming was not for every- > one, since debugging consisted in dealing with plagues of > locusts. And don't get me started with these "download" > things -- we didn't have downloads, it was uphill both ways, > and those damn tablets were heavy! Look on the bright side, at least you can bake something. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 22:04:04 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:04:04 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191756.24805.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <46F149DC.2080009@sbcglobal.net> <46F1591F.6050704@oem.doe.gov> <200709191756.24805.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46F19CD4.2030109@sbcglobal.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 1:15:11 pm Douglas Phillipson wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Stew Schneider wrote: >>> >>>> Nils Kassube wrote: >>>> >>>>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >>>>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the >>>>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) >>>>> >>>> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can >>>> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree >>>> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I >>>> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting >>>> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. >>>> >>>> I think we made the right decision. >>>> >>>> stew >>>> >>> I'm making snorting noises. >>> Steven >>> >> Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? >> > > Now I'm snorting ;-) > > I've changed, now I am chortling. Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Sep 19 22:10:51 2007 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:10:51 -0400 Subject: Is this the right place to ask questions about installing Compiz-Fusion? In-Reply-To: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200709191810.51551.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 10:33:31 am Robert Tilley wrote: > Or is it such a specialized topic that I should refer this to a website > forum? > > I'm trying to install compiz-fusion on Kubuntu Feisty KDE and having > absolutely no success. I follow the instructions at > http://sathyasays.com/?p=34 and the only response after a "compiz > --replace" is for all but one window to disappear. That window also loses > it's border with the various Close, Minimize, Expand buttons and the Title > Bar. There is thus no way to move or resize it. I must then log out > through the K menu and never restart compiz. > > Thanks, Bob > -- > Good day to let down old friends who need help. one thing to check/try is to make sure you have the package 'kde-window-decorator' innstalled, and run compiz like this: compiz --replace && kde-window-decorator This may give you the titlebar and buttons, etc, and will look like a standard kubuntu window decoration. You also can try using the emerald window decorations, by installing emerald, and running compiz like this: compiz --replace && emerald --replace Then you can try out some of the themes To get back to your normal desktop, you can run this command from the kmenu's Run Command dialog; kwin --replace so you don't have to log out or kill your xserver -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Sep 19 22:11:43 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:11:43 +0100 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> Message-ID: <46F19E9F.7090107@stdin.me.uk> Frank Arnold wrote: > Anyone know where I might be able to download Kubuntu iso > as a localized Vietnamese version, or purchase such on CD? > Can't read Vietnamese from Google. > Frank Arnold > franka at svpal.org > > > I don't know if there is one, but you should ask on the Vietnamese list[1] or in the Ubuntu Vietnam channel on IRC #ubuntu-vn Terence [1] From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 22:19:55 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:19:55 -0400 Subject: Compiz-Fusion? In-Reply-To: <200709191810.51551.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200709191810.51551.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <46F1A08B.3020209@gmail.com> I'd love a how-to on running Compiz/Emerald, etc. I Google up a lot of stuff about installation, very little on what it does, how to make it do it, or why I'd want it to do it at all. Can anyone point me to a how-to? stew From david.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 19 22:22:41 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:22:41 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F19CD4.2030109@sbcglobal.net> References: <200709191756.24805.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F19CD4.2030109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200709191822.41350.david.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 6:04:04 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 1:15:11 pm Douglas Phillipson wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: > >>> Stew Schneider wrote: > >>>> Nils Kassube wrote: > >>>>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for > >>>>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the > >>>>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) > >>>> > >>>> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can > >>>> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree > >>>> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I > >>>> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting > >>>> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. > >>>> > >>>> I think we made the right decision. > >>>> > >>>> stew > >>> > >>> I'm making snorting noises. > >>> Steven > >> > >> Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? > > > > Now I'm snorting ;-) > > I've changed, now I am chortling. If I was literate enough to have known what chortling was, I would have joined you. Too late now. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From franka at svpal.org Wed Sep 19 22:43:52 2007 From: franka at svpal.org (Frank Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:43:52 -0700 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F19E9F.7090107@stdin.me.uk> References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> <46F19E9F.7090107@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <46F1A628.5060804@svpal.org> Probably didn't make myself clear here. Any distro will do. KDE preferred with Kubuntu at the top of the list. And thanks for the suggestion. Frank Terence Simpson wrote: > Frank Arnold wrote: > >> Anyone know where I might be able to download Kubuntu iso >> as a localized Vietnamese version, or purchase such on CD? >> Can't read Vietnamese from Google. >> Frank Arnold >> franka at svpal.org >> >> >> >> > I don't know if there is one, but you should ask on the Vietnamese > list[1] or in the Ubuntu Vietnam channel on IRC #ubuntu-vn > > Terence > > [1] > > From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:09:51 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (msmarti58) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:09:51 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181124.34358.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <20070918183117.b89f800f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: > You are saying I CAN run The Sims 2 within Wine, or I cannot? Apparently _not_, I'm afraid. There are quite a few people who've tried, but they can't get past the copy protection on the CD. For a similarly protected CD, I was able to just install into my Windows partition, and copy the entire directory from C:\Program Files\ over to my Ubuntu partition, but I don't think that's going to work for The Sims 2. Bummer. See there? That is exactly why I can't give up Windows. Also, I can't get Linux to work with my Logitech USB headset, and I can't run my Sam Broadcaster program on it either (I like to stream my own music on Second Life, and sometimes DJ). I just recently bought Vista and hate it so far, which is why, when I read a hand-holding article in PC Mag about how to install a distro of Linux, I jumped at the chance. I have a system with two processors, and Vista only sees the one processor, so I can't multitask at ALL in it. My system's a little older, though, but I've kept it pretty upgraded. Marti From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:21:09 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (msmarti58) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:21:09 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F15A7C.3000803@gmail.com> References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> <46F15A7C.3000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Stew Schneider Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:21 PM To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu Marti Andrews wrote: > Okay, I did this, and can now access my internal ntfs hard drive, but I cannot access my usb external hard drive, also ntfs. I can mount it, but I cannot open it. > > We're getting there, I think! I visited with Marti via IM the other night. I couldn't mount her external USB drive, either. Marti told me that she hadn't formatted the drive, just plugged it in and recorded something on it. Guessing that it was FAT32 andthat it had been designated /dev/hdc1, I had her run fdisk on it and printed the table. It was hash. That could be the problem. Yes, Stew, I looked when I was in Windows, and it said it was NTFS. KDE doesn't like it, but GNOME puts it right there on the desktop, right from the install sequence, so I dunno. I went back to GNOME. Why tear my hair out over KDE? It was slicker looking, and had lots of programs, but it was slower than GNOME, a lot of the programs kept hanging, and I wasn't getting anywhere. Being the tender footed newbie I am, I would hazard a guess that maybe the behavior between the two depends on how a person's computer is set up? Now, if KDE had gone right on and I had no trouble, I'd be saying how great it was. As it is, I'm saying I hate it. Marti From david.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 19 23:21:48 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:21:48 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 7:09:51 pm msmarti58 wrote: > > You are saying I CAN run The Sims 2 within Wine, or I cannot? > > Apparently _not_, I'm afraid. There are quite a few people who've tried, > but they can't get past the copy protection on the CD. For a similarly > protected CD, I was able to just install into my Windows partition, and > copy the entire directory from C:\Program Files\ over to my Ubuntu > partition, but I don't think that's going to work for The Sims 2. > > Bummer. See there? That is exactly why I can't give up Windows. I can't either. I just love Yuri's Revenge. (all command and conquer games for that matter) But I can run it using the free VMWare player, so I am saved from a reboot. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:23:06 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (msmarti58) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:23:06 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F15AE7.8090802@gmail.com> References: <200709171502.58993.kassube@gmx.net> <200709180841.56306.kassube@gmx.net> <46EF90D4.7040602@gmx.net> <46F15AE7.8090802@gmail.com> Message-ID: Marti Andrews wrote: > Okay, I did this, and can now access my internal ntfs hard drive, but I cannot access my usb external hard drive, also ntfs. I can mount it, but I cannot open it. > > Oh, and I recall we had a discussion of mounting NTFS USB drives earlier. I could not get ntfs-config to recognize mine. I eventually formatted it in ext3 and used IFS from the windows machine, but she may be having that same problem. Anybody else successfully mount a NTFS USB drive? I don't get why USB is such a big deal? If it's formatted NTFS, why wouldn't it just be seen as another NTFS drive? Marti From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:30:39 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (msmarti58) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:30:39 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709190143.23522.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <200709190143.23522.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: >No Marti, some of us didn't. I've had in chronological order starting in 1978, a Quest Super Elf, a Timex 1000, a TI99/4a I still have, about a half a dozen TRS-80 Color Computers that all run a mini-unix called OS-9, a couple of full blown amiga's, and now on my 6th x86 home built box, and none of them other than an HP lappy I bought with XP on it, has ever ran windows cuz it has never been installed. The lappy's total uptime under XP in something over 2 years now is probably less than 12 hours total as it currently can dual boot F7 and XP. May I pick your brain? I'm curious, when DOS came out, why didn't some of you start out with DOS, and then gravitate toward Windows? Or why not Apple? Were you all just tinkerers? Had you heard bad things about Microsoft? I started out with an Apple Macintosh, because I was working in a place that had them, and it made sense to have the same kind, so I could bring my work home. Then, I had heard so much about Windows machines, that my next big move was to Windows. I had heard of Linux, but had never seen any reason to gravitate towards it. It sounded intimidating, with all the stuff you supposedly had to type into a command window, myself being unused to that manner of interacting with a computer. >> > > As for Second Life, I've heard of the game, but not the chat agent. > >It's a chat program, I meant. 3D. Works fine here on GNOME. In KDE all >the graphics were messed up. > I use the various IRC programs, all of which work on the machine I might be in front of ATM, but other than smiley translations, that is all text based. It gets the job done, and its universal whereas a lot of the yahoo etc offerings are both proprietary, and because they are non std, lock non users out. That's not how I play the game. >The name '3D' still doesn't ring any bells, nothing remotely resembling that shows up in the smart list, smart being the package manager I use here. If I think of it, I'll check the listing adept gives me on the kubuntu box tomorrow. I think we are talking about two separate things. Go to http://www.secondlife.com They have a Linux version. It's a graphical chat, but much more. I wouldn't want to get you hooked, but once you go there, you WILL be hooked, I think. It's like playing The Sims 2, in that you have an avatar, but much better, and you can interact with people. Marti From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:31:06 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:31:06 -0700 Subject: Compiz-Fusion? In-Reply-To: <46F1A08B.3020209@gmail.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200709191810.51551.claydoh@midmaine.com> <46F1A08B.3020209@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not all is Kubuntu-applicable, but the info on how to enable it correctly is good (I find enabling it to be the hardest part, personally). http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz-Fusion On 9/19/07, Stew Schneider wrote: > I'd love a how-to on running Compiz/Emerald, etc. I Google up a lot of > stuff about installation, very little on what it does, how to make it do > it, or why I'd want it to do it at all. Can anyone point me to a how-to? > > stew > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:52:51 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:52:51 -0700 Subject: Compiz-Fusion? In-Reply-To: <46F1B415.1060409@gmail.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <200709191810.51551.claydoh@midmaine.com> <46F1A08B.3020209@gmail.com> <46F1B415.1060409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/19/07, Stew Schneider wrote: > Thanks. I'll take a look. I got the cubed desktops at one point, but > couldn't figure out how to spin them, or why I'd want to. The wobbly > pages get old quick. Other than these two things, and I'm not being > snarky, what's it good for? The primary advantage of letting the GPU handle GUI rendering is that it removes that strain from the CPU. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl It allows cool things like implementing the GUI layout manager entirely on GPU without CPU involvement. Hasn't been done yet AFAIK, but it makes it theoretically possible in the near future. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Sep 19 23:34:11 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:34:11 -0700 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> Message-ID: <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> Frank Arnold writes: > Anyone know where I might be able to download Kubuntu iso > as a localized Vietnamese version, or purchase such on CD? > Can't read Vietnamese from Google. I'm not sure KDE is completely translated yet (nor userspace tools for Linux). Although what I usually do is install the English version and then the Vietnamese language files. Not sure what would happen if you choose Vietnamese during installation. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From franka at svpal.org Thu Sep 20 01:36:50 2007 From: franka at svpal.org (Frank Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:36:50 -0700 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu In-Reply-To: <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <46F1CEB2.8040308@svpal.org> Thank you. That may be a viable option. Do you have a link for the Vietnamese files? Frank John L Fjellstad wrote: > Frank Arnold writes: > > >> Anyone know where I might be able to download Kubuntu iso >> as a localized Vietnamese version, or purchase such on CD? >> Can't read Vietnamese from Google. >> > > I'm not sure KDE is completely translated yet (nor userspace tools for > Linux). Although what I usually do is install the English version and > then the Vietnamese language files. Not sure what would happen if you > choose Vietnamese during installation. > > From bootgr at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 02:15:49 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:15:49 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709181147.31534.jjesse@iserv.net> <200709190143.23522.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709191915s6a5172bt852c8b024b67ca@mail.gmail.com> Second Life is a 3D game, but there's no "game" you just interact with the other people. Therefore it's a cross between a chat program and a game. >From what I hear ( never played/used it myself ) it's an entire online community, with shops, banks ( and scams ) and nightclubs, bands playing... very interesting stuff. Greg From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 20 02:29:36 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:29:36 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <46F13BB6.3090408@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46F13BB6.3090408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709192229.36556.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Paul S wrote: > Try this: https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/requestformfinal.pdf OK, I printed it out with KPDF, and it came out what I would have defined as perfectly. Everything was on the page, and it was perfectly legible. Then I installed Acroread, and printed it from there. There is a very negligible difference. Let's see... Solid boxes in the four corners. Width. KPDF printout: 0.260" Adobe printout: 0.249" Width of all the hollow boxes for Appartment No/Private Mailbox. KPDF: 2.61" Adobe: 2.51" (Yes, I got out my dial calipers. Whee!) So the Adobe printout is actually just a little smaller and more compact for me. I don't think I would have noticed the difference if I hadn't been looking for it though. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 20 02:32:44 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:32:44 -0400 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <880dece00709182221u67a4a22md8a837b2142c4c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <200709181937.00929.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709182221u67a4a22md8a837b2142c4c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709192232.44205.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Betcha if you feel like getting really hacky, you could make the GNOME > > keyboard switcher thingie work with KDE somehow or other. :) > > The keyboard switcher is a rather integral part of the desktop, it's > not like getting Gedit to work in KDE (which is of course trivial). It > would be easier and more appropriate to fix the KDE switcher. You aren't much of a geek, sir. Nobody said anything about easy or appropriate! :D -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 20 02:42:26 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:42:26 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> References: <200709181106.34678.manuel@mclure.org> <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709192242.26257.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: > those you bought BB's in. Some days, I'd go through five or six tubes of > electrons, and have to go back to the 'Shack for more. And it was 25 > miles away. Up hill! Both ways! Weenie. It was the same for me, but I had to walk up hill both ways in the snow. Naked. (That does bring back memories of when Radio Shack was more than a cellular phone store that sold overpriced cables. I used to be great friends with the manager of my local Radio Shack. It is a testament to his integrity that he got disgusted, and told them to piss off.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 20 02:43:42 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:43:42 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> References: <200709191541.23579.kassube@gmx.net> <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709192243.42594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: > that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" Gay!!! -- D. Michael McIntyre From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 02:53:16 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:53:16 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709190929j14f2ad2ar72cc0abe985f7c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709191202.37602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <720b310e0709190929j14f2ad2ar72cc0abe985f7c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709192253.16851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Greg Booth wrote: >> In the middle-late 1950's, I saw the machine used to grade the Iowa Tests >> then used in the school systems to evaluate kids, but I don't know if it >> would actually qualify as a computer. It used a modified Harris printing >> press to present the test forms to the photocell array, and a 12,000 tube >> (12AU7's IIRC) processor that may have been one of the first eniacs. SUI >> built the building it was in around it, probably the most air conditioned >> building on campus in Iowa City at the time. But I didn't work on it, not >> having been infected with the digital virus yet. The folks who were >> afraid I was gonna put fingerprints on 'their' baby weren't aware of the >> score I made on the test they were grading either. :-) >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene > >Whoa, I live in North Liberty, just outside Iowa City. You still in >corn land Gene ?? > >G Nah, took the first wife and left to go make a million in CA in 59, had some very interesting things happen there, but didn't settle in any one place west of the river for more than 10 years, leaving the 1st wife under a slab in Rapid City along the way, till a head hunter sent me to WV where WDTV needed a Chief Engineer in '84. That wasn't exactly what the 2nd missus wanted so she split, I found an old maid music teacher & married her in 89, so I've been a wannabe WV hillbilly for the last 23 years. Since then, life has been good. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) /me thinks ext2 code is more effectively encrypted than DVDs are ;) - Andrew Ebling on #kernelnewbies From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 03:19:36 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:19:36 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709190143.23522.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709192319.36705.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, msmarti58 wrote: >>No Marti, some of us didn't. I've had in chronological order starting in [...] > >May I pick your brain? I'm curious, when DOS came out, It was a kludge, broken at that. My experience with anything one could call a DOS was with OS-9 level one, running on a 64k TRS-80 Color Computer with 2 floppy drives at first. We did things with that that took M$ till W95 to come anywhere near close, and W95 didn't multiuser/multitask as well as a coco could. Radio Shack purposely tried to downgrade its appeal by making it a games machine so it wouldn't seem to be competition to their much more profitable X86 boxes they were trying to sell then. But turned loose and expanded with some third party stuff, it was smoother and noticeably faster than any of their 1000 series machines ever thought of being. >why didn't some of >you start out with DOS, and then gravitate toward Windows? Were already doing things windows couldn't. FWIW, one of the many coco's I still own is setup in the basement, bootable from its hard drive right now. One doesn't just pull the plug on an old friend that taught me what a DOS was supposed to be, and it sure wasn't the crashomatic crap Bill was selling. >Or why not Apple? Wayyyyy too expensive. >Were you all just tinkerers? Had you heard bad things about Microsoft? Even then, the M$ canines were showing. >I started out with an Apple Macintosh, because I was working in a place that >had them, and it made sense to have the same kind, so I could bring my work >home. Same story, but with the amiga's. We were doing some pretty heavy duty graphics work at the TV station, so I bought an A2000 and expanded it, running it as the main machine here for several years in the 90's. Same with linux. We started using linux boxes for servers, so I built one, put RH5.1 on it and brought it home, replacing the amiga when it died of a broken hard drive. >Then, I had heard so much about Windows machines, that my next big >move was to Windows. We also had windows machines to maintain, and TBT, trying to maintain a house full of winsucks boxes (about 50 of them now) that were always full of virus's was a headache I wasn't about to bring home. >I had heard of Linux, but had never seen any reason to >gravitate towards it. It sounded intimidating, with all the stuff you >supposedly had to type into a command window, myself being unused to that >manner of interacting with a computer. He/she who can type a single line of code and find a lost file from the command line is master of his universe. GUI's are nice, when they work... [...] >>The name '3D' still doesn't ring any bells, nothing remotely resembling [...] >I think we are talking about two separate things. Go to >http://www.secondlife.com They have a Linux version. It's a graphical chat, >but much more. I wouldn't want to get you hooked, but once you go there, you >WILL be hooked, I think. It's like playing The Sims 2, in that you have an >avatar, but much better, and you can interact with people. Sorry, that sort of game environment has never appealed to me, real life has enough problems to keep one 'out of the bars' so to speak. >Marti -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) To do nothing is to be nothing. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 03:32:12 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:32:12 -0400 Subject: Flash troubles... In-Reply-To: <46F15B66.5080602@bluewin.ch> References: <46F15B66.5080602@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200709192332.12223.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, john d. herron wrote: >Some 15 days ago I sent to the list the following 'help!' call: > >"I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had >first installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one >day, it just stopped cold. >Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this >message came up: >"The video timed out attempting to play. >Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." >What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, >how can I deactivate them?" > >Someone who replied to my message (and I somehow managed to lose that >reply: please forgive me...) wanted to know whether I'd tried out to >view video files on other site, e.g. YouTube. >Well, I did try a number of other sites (YouTube, Eurosport.com, >jovianarchives.com, ...) with no success. However, on these attempts I >got no messages of any kind: only the relevant page featuring a frozen >video window. >By the way: I'd installed the Flash 9 player from the Adobe website >because Adept only offered Flash 7, which is apparently not supported on >the sites of many providers of video material. > >Any help will be thankfully appreciated I can't offer any help, but I can confirm that exact problem here, on FC6 Whatever it is, it should also fix it for me. >jdh >_________________ >kubuntu 7.04 on >i586 w/ 512 MB -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 08:12:38 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:12:38 -0400 Subject: Flash troubles... In-Reply-To: <200709192332.12223.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <46F15B66.5080602@bluewin.ch> <200709192332.12223.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709200412.38321.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Wednesday 19 September 2007, john d. herron wrote: >>Some 15 days ago I sent to the list the following 'help!' call: >> >>"I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had >>first installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one >>day, it just stopped cold. >>Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this >>message came up: >>"The video timed out attempting to play. >>Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." >>What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, >>how can I deactivate them?" >> >>Someone who replied to my message (and I somehow managed to lose that >>reply: please forgive me...) wanted to know whether I'd tried out to >>view video files on other site, e.g. YouTube. >>Well, I did try a number of other sites (YouTube, Eurosport.com, >>jovianarchives.com, ...) with no success. However, on these attempts I >>got no messages of any kind: only the relevant page featuring a frozen >>video window. >>By the way: I'd installed the Flash 9 player from the Adobe website >>because Adept only offered Flash 7, which is apparently not supported on >>the sites of many providers of video material. >> >>Any help will be thankfully appreciated > >I can't offer any help, but I can confirm that exact problem here, on FC6 > >Whatever it is, it should also fix it for me. > Playing around here with rpms of the various flashplayer9 releases, I find that 9-r60 does this, 9-r48 works but may need to hit the second story before it does, and an even older 9-r31 also works about half the time. After finding the r48 worked, where 6 weeks ago it didn't on a cnn video, I put 9-r60 back in and got this error message again. As a beta, I wonder if adobe put an expiration in it. With this binary only crap, who knows... Anyway, I'm working here with the 9-r48 version of libflashplayer.so installed. >>jdh >>_________________ >>kubuntu 7.04 on >>i586 w/ 512 MB > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Kleeneness is next to Godelness. From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 20 10:05:36 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:05:36 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: How do you use the VMWare player, I haven't figured it out. I open it, and then what? Marti > From: david.mcglone at att.net > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:21:48 -0400 > > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 7:09:51 pm msmarti58 wrote: > > > You are saying I CAN run The Sims 2 within Wine, or I cannot? > > > > Apparently _not_, I'm afraid. There are quite a few people who've tried, > > but they can't get past the copy protection on the CD. For a similarly > > protected CD, I was able to just install into my Windows partition, and > > copy the entire directory from C:\Program Files\ over to my Ubuntu > > partition, but I don't think that's going to work for The Sims 2. > > > > Bummer. See there? That is exactly why I can't give up Windows. > > I can't either. I just love Yuri's Revenge. (all command and conquer games for > that matter) But I can run it using the free VMWare player, so I am saved > from a reboot. > > -- > David M. > > If I received .01 cent for every person > that has to put in their .02 cents > I'd be rich! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vineeth.chandran at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 10:29:40 2007 From: vineeth.chandran at gmail.com (vineeth.chandran at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:59:40 +0530 Subject: install ndiswrapper on kubuntu 6.06 Message-ID: <63676fdd0709200329s297de037lddf1e225236b7197@mail.gmail.com> hi I need to install ndiswrapper on kubuntu 6.06 using the command line. I tried it in the foll manner root at ubuntu:/home/eaton# apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 What could be the reason for failing and am i taking the right version of ndiswrapper -- Vineeth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 20 10:38:41 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:38:41 -0400 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007 6:05:36 am Marti Andrews wrote: > How do you use the VMWare player, I haven't figured it out. I open it, and > then what? Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install Windows using the VMWare player. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 20 10:45:39 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:45:39 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709192242.26257.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <46F020D6.3030806@gmail.com> <200709192242.26257.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709200645.39247.david.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 10:42:26 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: > > those you bought BB's in. Some days, I'd go through five or six tubes of > > electrons, and have to go back to the 'Shack for more. And it was 25 > > miles away. Up hill! Both ways! > > Weenie. It was the same for me, but I had to walk up hill both ways in the > snow. Naked. You're both weenies! I built my own in a cave way up yonder with sticks and stones and dinosaur bones. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 20 10:49:27 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:49:27 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709192243.42594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <46F12E37.4040309@gmail.com> <200709192243.42594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709200649.27559.david.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 10:43:42 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Stew Schneider wrote: > > that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting the bottom" > > Gay!!! Why? Are you looking for a mate? -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 20 10:58:06 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:58:06 -0400 Subject: install ndiswrapper on kubuntu 6.06 In-Reply-To: <63676fdd0709200329s297de037lddf1e225236b7197@mail.gmail.com> References: <63676fdd0709200329s297de037lddf1e225236b7197@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709200658.06788.david.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007 6:29:40 am vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > hi > > I need to install ndiswrapper on kubuntu 6.06 using the command line. > I tried it in the foll manner > > root at ubuntu:/home/eaton# apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 > > What could be the reason for failing and am i taking the right version of > ndiswrapper try sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper or ndiswrapper-utils. But I wouldn't advise using the ndiswrapper that is in the repository. I can't remember the reason, but I've read where many people had problems with it, so I always downloaded the .tar package from sourceforge. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From kassube at gmx.net Thu Sep 20 10:58:37 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:58:37 +0200 Subject: install ndiswrapper on kubuntu 6.06 In-Reply-To: <63676fdd0709200329s297de037lddf1e225236b7197@mail.gmail.com> References: <63676fdd0709200329s297de037lddf1e225236b7197@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709201258.37100.kassube@gmx.net> vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > I need to install ndiswrapper on kubuntu 6.06 using the command line. > I tried it in the foll manner > > root at ubuntu:/home/eaton# apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 The package is called ndiswrapper-utils without version number. Nils From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:22:36 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:22:36 -0400 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: > Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install Windows > using the VMWare player. Sorry to seem dumb, but it's not intuitive to me....I open it and it just gives me a choice of what to open, listing my folders and such. Do I insert Windows Vista in my drive and it will see it and then I install or what? Thanks much. Question...do any Gnome ppl hang out here or should I leave? No more Kubuntu for me. Ubuntu all the way baby! 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Sinclair) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:53:23 +0200 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46F26D43.3040704@gmail.com> Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install > Windows > > using the VMWare player. > > Sorry to seem dumb, but it's not intuitive to me....I open it and it > just gives me a choice of what to open, listing my folders and such. Do > I insert Windows Vista in my drive and it will see it and then I install > or what? Thanks much. > > Question...do any Gnome ppl hang out here or should I leave? No more > Kubuntu for me. Ubuntu all the way baby! Well not that I know if ANY Gnome users are on the list but clearly it is a KDE/Kubuntu list, right.. if I were you I would go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org where you will find all info you can dream of and a bit more. Sinclair From bootgr at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:54:22 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:54:22 -0500 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709200554m547ea91cle415b98223e6c5ed@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > ________________________________ > > Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install Windows > > using the VMWare player. > > Sorry to seem dumb, but it's not intuitive to me....I open it and it just > gives me a choice of what to open, listing my folders and such. Do I insert > Windows Vista in my drive and it will see it and then I install or what? > Thanks much. > > Question...do any Gnome ppl hang out here or should I leave? No more Kubuntu > for me. Ubuntu all the way baby! > > Marti The VMWare player is a player only. You'll have to download VM's from VMWare or off of Bit Torrent. To create your own Virtual Machines you need either VMWare Server ( free ) or VMWare Workstation ( not free ) or the very expensive VMWare E server(?). Both of these are free/not free as in beer, closed source and there's some controversy of whether VMWare violates the GPL license of the Linux kernel. They both work about the same but the paid version contains some nice stuff to share the hosts hard drive. You can do it with the free versions but it's much harder. Greg From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 13:05:26 2007 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:05:26 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709191822.41350.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709191756.24805.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F19CD4.2030109@sbcglobal.net> <200709191822.41350.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46F27016.7040100@sbcglobal.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 6:04:04 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> David McGlone wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 1:15:11 pm Douglas Phillipson wrote: >>> >>>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stew Schneider wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nils Kassube wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Reading all those stories from you oldtimers, I'm still waiting for >>>>>>> somebody to tell us how she / he discussed the design of the >>>>>>> difference engine with Charles Babbage :)) >>>>>>> >>>>>> Charles was terribly stubborn and wouldn't listen to me, but I can >>>>>> humbly confess to having designated the bottom of a filesystem tree >>>>>> as "root". At the time, everyone was calling it "bottom", but I >>>>>> suggested that since we were all geeks, too much talk of "mounting >>>>>> the bottom" would make us laugh backwards, resulting in snorty noises. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we made the right decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> stew >>>>>> >>>>> I'm making snorting noises. >>>>> Steven >>>>> >>>> Could this non-kubuntu discussion be taken elsewhere please? >>>> >>> Now I'm snorting ;-) >>> >> I've changed, now I am chortling. >> > > If I was literate enough to have known what chortling was, I would have joined > you. Too late now. > > > chortle \CHOR-tl\, transitive and intransitive verb: 1. To utter, or express with, a snorting, exultant laugh or chuckle. It's the Vista of snorts. Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can imagine how hard that was over the phone with a mother that does not like computers. Douglas From guido.dom at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 13:24:58 2007 From: guido.dom at gmail.com (guido dom) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:24:58 +0200 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709200554m547ea91cle415b98223e6c5ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> <720b310e0709200554m547ea91cle415b98223e6c5ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Why not try VirtualBox, completely free See latest (dutch) Linux Magazine 2007/9/20, Greg Booth : > > On 9/20/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > ________________________________ > > > Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install > Windows > > > using the VMWare player. > > > > Sorry to seem dumb, but it's not intuitive to me....I open it and it > just > > gives me a choice of what to open, listing my folders and such. Do I > insert > > Windows Vista in my drive and it will see it and then I install or what? > > Thanks much. > > > > Question...do any Gnome ppl hang out here or should I leave? No more > Kubuntu > > for me. Ubuntu all the way baby! > > > > Marti > > The VMWare player is a player only. You'll have to download VM's from > VMWare or off of Bit Torrent. To create your own Virtual Machines you > need either VMWare Server ( free ) or VMWare Workstation ( not free ) > or the very expensive VMWare E server(?). Both of these are free/not > free as in beer, closed source and there's some controversy of whether > VMWare violates the GPL license of the Linux kernel. They both work > about the same but the paid version contains some nice stuff to share > the hosts hard drive. You can do it with the free versions but it's > much harder. > > Greg > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Tel:+32 (0)58 239804 +32 (0)497 538736 Nog een mooie dag toegewenst. Guido (dompie) Dom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 13:38:43 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:38:43 +0200 Subject: Samba Samba! In-Reply-To: <5u4as4-pi3.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <200709172034.16489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709192113.31835.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <5u4as4-pi3.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200709201538.43629.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Yeah, I was kidding. Sorry - my humour meter is fritzed! I blame it on two months of Windows! /d From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 13:47:47 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:47:47 -0400 Subject: Replaygain tags Message-ID: <200709200947.47205.cms0009@gmail.com> is there any burner application, that support replaygain tags, when burning a audio cd ??? Otherwise, what the since of burning when you have all these different volume levels.. when making a audio cd. Please Anyone ? TIA Richard From kubuntu at wastedtimes.net Thu Sep 20 14:11:15 2007 From: kubuntu at wastedtimes.net (Mark Kelly) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:11:15 +0100 Subject: Replaygain tags In-Reply-To: <200709200947.47205.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709200947.47205.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709201511.15878.kubuntu@wastedtimes.net> Hi. On Thursday 20 September 2007 14:47, Rick wrote: > is there any burner application, that support replaygain tags, when > burning a audio cd ??? Replaygain is specifically designed to leave the original audio data untouched. It will only affect the replay of the file that has the tags applied, and only then if the player application supports it. To burn normalised versions of your tracks to CD, you'd be best off making a copy of all the files, then normalising those for burning. If your files are in mp3 format, look at mp3gain, for any other format you probably want to expand the files to .wav format and use normalize-audio before burning the wavs. Both of these programs are in the repos. HTH From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 20 14:22:33 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:22:33 -0400 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <46F26D43.3040704@gmail.com> References: <200709191921.48741.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F26D43.3040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Question...do any Gnome ppl hang out here or should I leave? No more > > Kubuntu for me. Ubuntu all the way baby! > Well not that I know if ANY Gnome users are on the list but clearly it > is a KDE/Kubuntu list, right.. if I were you I would go to > http://www.ubuntuforums.org > where you will find all info you can dream of and a bit more. Actually I've checked it out. I'll probably be weaning myself off here. Thanks for all your help, anyway! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 20 14:27:27 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:27:27 -0400 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: References: <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709201027.27723.david.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007 8:22:36 am Marti Andrews wrote: > > Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install > > Windows using the VMWare player. > > Sorry to seem dumb, Everyone needs guidance every once in a while. > but it's not intuitive to me....I open it and it just > gives me a choice of what to open, listing my folders and such. Do I insert > Windows Vista in my drive and it will see it and then I install or what? > Thanks much. first you need to build you a .vmx file. Here is an easy way to do it. http://dcgrendel.thewaffleiron.net/vmbuilder/2.01/ After you build your file save it in your /home or wherever you would like and then use VMWare player to open it, then you should be on your way to installing a copy of Windows. I may not be 100% correct here, since it's been a very long time since I had to do it myself, but I believe I have it dead on. Anyone see anything I'm missing? -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 14:48:05 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:48:05 -0400 Subject: Flash troubles... In-Reply-To: <200709200412.38321.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <46F15B66.5080602@bluewin.ch> <200709192332.12223.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200709200412.38321.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709201048.05442.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Gene Heskett wrote: >>On Wednesday 19 September 2007, john d. herron wrote: >>>Some 15 days ago I sent to the list the following 'help!' call: >>> >>>"I recently re-installed the Flash 9 player from Adobe's site. I had >>>first installed it about 1 month ago and it worked fine, but then, one >>>day, it just stopped cold. >>>Now, as I was attempting to load a videoclip on CNN's website, this >>>message came up: >>>"The video timed out attempting to play. >>>Please ensure that you do not have any Flash Blocking plugins active." >>>What would be considered 'Flash blocking plugins' and, if I find any, >>>how can I deactivate them?" >>> >>>Someone who replied to my message (and I somehow managed to lose that >>>reply: please forgive me...) wanted to know whether I'd tried out to >>>view video files on other site, e.g. YouTube. >>>Well, I did try a number of other sites (YouTube, Eurosport.com, >>>jovianarchives.com, ...) with no success. However, on these attempts I >>>got no messages of any kind: only the relevant page featuring a frozen >>>video window. >>>By the way: I'd installed the Flash 9 player from the Adobe website >>>because Adept only offered Flash 7, which is apparently not supported on >>>the sites of many providers of video material. >>> >>>Any help will be thankfully appreciated >> >>I can't offer any help, but I can confirm that exact problem here, on FC6 >> >>Whatever it is, it should also fix it for me. > >Playing around here with rpms of the various flashplayer9 releases, I find >that 9-r60 does this, 9-r48 works but may need to hit the second story > before it does, and an even older 9-r31 also works about half the time. > >After finding the r48 worked, where 6 weeks ago it didn't on a cnn video, I >put 9-r60 back in and got this error message again. As a beta, I wonder if >adobe put an expiration in it. With this binary only crap, who knows... > >Anyway, I'm working here with the 9-r48 version of libflashplayer.so >installed. > And I've since noted that the r60 version has disappeared from the adobe site. With its lip synch problems, that's just as well. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Feanor - license issues are important. If we don't watch our arses now, someone's gonna come up and bite us later... From anton at wilddsl.net.au Thu Sep 20 14:57:25 2007 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:57:25 +1000 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: <200709192147.41394.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Donn, Sounds like a timeout or keep-alive problem of some kind. Maybe some suggestions on this page will help. http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg45036.html Anton. > Hello again, > I have (yet another) problem with my Internet connection. > > My WISP has recently switched to pppoe. I ran pppoeconf and it > generated /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, all good. I use pon > dsl-provider to > connect and that works too. > > The mystery is this: after a time (that varies) the tap seems to > close and I > cannot surf or get mail. The ppp0 interface is still up but the > taps are off. > I 'poff' and 'pon' again and instantly the flow is back. > > What could be causing this? Any clues? > > /d From paulatgm at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 16:47:36 2007 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:47:36 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <200709192229.36556.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709181825.57510.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46F13BB6.3090408@gmail.com> <200709192229.36556.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <46F2A428.7010008@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre said the following on 09/19/2007 10:29 PM: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Paul S wrote: >> Try this: https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/requestformfinal.pdf > > OK, I printed it out with KPDF, and it came out what I would have defined as > perfectly. Everything was on the page, and it was perfectly legible. > > Then I installed Acroread, and printed it from there. There is a very > negligible difference. > > Let's see... Solid boxes in the four corners. Width. > > KPDF printout: 0.260" > Adobe printout: 0.249" > > Width of all the hollow boxes for Appartment No/Private Mailbox. > > KPDF: 2.61" > Adobe: 2.51" > > (Yes, I got out my dial calipers. Whee!) > > So the Adobe printout is actually just a little smaller and more compact for > me. I don't think I would have noticed the difference if I hadn't been > looking for it though. OK, I'll give kpdf another try. The last time I tried it was too big (cut off the margins). From lists at pavri.net Thu Sep 20 16:54:15 2007 From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:24:15 +0530 Subject: kdm not starting up -- sometimes In-Reply-To: <3rv7s4-o51.ln1@pointerstop.ca> References: <20070919162157.GD6660@natrum> <3rv7s4-o51.ln1@pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <20070920165415.GA6370@natrum> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > > I am using kubuntu feisty and I am encountering two problems. > > > > 1. When booting up, right after the grub prompt and the message saying: > > starting ... > > > > the screen goes blank. Boot up will only proceed if I press alt-F1. I have > > found this key combo purely by luck :). > > > > > > 2. Nine times out of ten, the screen goes blank right after the messages > > say reading /etc/rc.local. > > > > Nothing works at this moment. There is no response to any key press. I > > must use the reset switch. The kdm screeen comes up definitely the next > > time. > > > > This behaviour has started after a fortnight or so after the initial > > install. > > Are you certain it has hung? Sometimes there can be a long (~5 minutes) > wait here if networking is configured poorly. I've waited more than 15 mins. Networking is not down at all. > > What happens if you modify the boot options to include "nosplash" and > exclude "quiet". Do you see more messages? I get no splash screen at all and all the messages scroll past like the older versions of say redhat or debian. Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. What is the speed of darkness ? From lists at pavri.net Thu Sep 20 16:55:23 2007 From: lists at pavri.net (Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri.) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:25:23 +0530 Subject: kdm not starting up -- sometimes In-Reply-To: <46F157F9.80403@stdin.me.uk> References: <20070919162157.GD6660@natrum> <46F157F9.80403@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <20070920165523.GB6370@natrum> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Terence Simpson wrote: > Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am using kubuntu feisty and I am encountering two problems. > > > > 1. When booting up, right after the grub prompt and the message saying: > > starting ... > > > > the screen goes blank. Boot up will only proceed if I press alt-F1. I have > > found this key combo purely by luck :). > > > > > > 2. Nine times out of ten, the screen goes blank right after the messages > > say reading /etc/rc.local. > > > > Nothing works at this moment. There is no response to any key press. I > > must use the reset switch. The kdm screeen comes up definitely the next > > time. > > > > This behaviour has started after a fortnight or so after the initial install. > > > > thanks, > > > > Sharukh. > > > Just a guess, but try editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove all the > words "splash" then save. > It will disable the boot splash which may be causing the problem somehow. > > Terence Like I mentioned in my other mail, I don't get a splash screen at all. Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. Alcohol doesn't solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk. From msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:04:36 2007 From: msmarti_a58 at hotmail.com (Marti Andrews) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:04:36 -0400 Subject: Leaving mailing list - how? In-Reply-To: <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm going to leave this mailing list, but I can't remember how I even got here, let alone how to leave it. Anyone? Marti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sniffy at rogers.com Thu Sep 20 17:12:06 2007 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:12:06 -0400 Subject: Leaving mailing list - how? In-Reply-To: References: <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709201312.06603.sniffy@rogers.com> On Thursday 20 September 2007 13:04:36 Marti Andrews wrote: > I'm going to leave this mailing list, but I can't remember how I even got > here, let alone how to leave it. Anyone? > > Marti At the bottom of every email that is posted to the list there is link you can click on that will take you to the subscription page. The link is: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Keep in mind that you will probably need to enter your email address and the password you entered when you subscribed in order to change your settings (and unsubscribe). If you don't recall your password, there should be an option to get one mailed to you. hth -- chris From bootgr at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:13:41 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:13:41 -0500 Subject: Leaving mailing list - how? In-Reply-To: References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709201013v52da2a9ak2b9f8753bbeea887@mail.gmail.com> kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Notice the MODIFY SETTINGS OR UNSUBSCRIBE right next to the link ?? On 9/20/07, Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > > > ________________________________ > I'm going to leave this mailing list, but I can't remember how I even got > here, let alone how to leave it. Anyone? > > Marti > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Thu Sep 20 18:51:33 2007 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:51:33 -0400 Subject: Is this the right place to ask questions about =?iso-8859-1?q?installing=09Compiz-Fusion=3F?= In-Reply-To: <46F196DE.2050404@gmail.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <46F196DE.2050404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709201451.34507.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 05:38:38 pm Trevor wrote: > Robert Tilley wrote: > > Or is it such a specialized topic that I should refer this to a website > > forum? > > > > I'm trying to install compiz-fusion on Kubuntu Feisty KDE and having > > absolutely no success. I follow the instructions at > > http://sathyasays.com/?p=34 and the only response after a "compiz > > --replace" is for all but one window to disappear. That window also > > loses it's border with the various Close, Minimize, Expand buttons and > > the Title Bar. There is thus no way to move or resize it. I must then > > log out through the K menu and never restart compiz. > > > > Thanks, Bob > > I am pretty sure I ran into this issue with my laptop that has an > unsupported ATI video card in it. Run 'fglrxinfo' from the command line > and post the results and we can go from there. > > Trevor I can't find the package "fglrxinfo" for Kubuntu Feisty. I don't know if it's applicable as my Dell Dimension 2350 uses an Intel 82845G on-board graphics chip. I can't find any references to problems with this board and assume that compiz will work. If anyone knows anything about this issue, please post to this list or e-mail me directly at "tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com". Thanks, Bob -- Fortune: You will be attacked next Wednesday at 3:15 p.m. by six samurai sword wielding purple fish glued to Harley-Davidson motorcycles. Oh, and have a nice day! -- Bryce Nesbitt '84 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 20 19:08:45 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:08:45 -0500 Subject: Leaving mailing list - how? In-Reply-To: References: <200709151609.27681.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F2C53D.8090709@swbell.net> On 09/20/2007 Marti Andrews wrote: > > > > I'm going to leave this mailing list, but I can't remember how I even > got here, let alone how to leave it. Anyone? > > Marti > > > > -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify > settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Read the messages at the bottom of each post. *<[:oD -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 20 20:42:26 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:42:26 -0500 Subject: Install Message-ID: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> Is there a CD that can be downloaded and burned that will JUST install, not load then install? I set my laptop up to dual boot and wanted to install Kubuntu on the system. When I tried it tried to load like a "Live CD" then install. The laptop is a little bit short of memory for that technique. I did get Linspire installed because it JUST installed instead of trying to load into memory first. So far it seems to be working fine. Got a ways to go before I get it all setup, but......... I would much rather have Kubuntu. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 20:48:29 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:48:29 -0400 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried the alternate install cd? On 9/20/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > Is there a CD that can be downloaded and burned that will JUST install, > not load then install? > > I set my laptop up to dual boot and wanted to install Kubuntu on the > system. When I tried it tried to load like a "Live CD" then install. The > laptop is a little bit short of memory for that technique. I did get > Linspire installed because it JUST installed instead of trying to load > into memory first. > > So far it seems to be working fine. Got a ways to go before I get it all > setup, but......... I would much rather have Kubuntu. > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bootgr at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 20:49:36 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:49:36 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> Message-ID: <720b310e0709201349k45a56eeaj5a4bb4d2570a54f5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > Is there a CD that can be downloaded and burned that will JUST install, > not load then install? > > I set my laptop up to dual boot and wanted to install Kubuntu on the > system. When I tried it tried to load like a "Live CD" then install. The > laptop is a little bit short of memory for that technique. I did get > Linspire installed because it JUST installed instead of trying to load > into memory first. > > So far it seems to be working fine. Got a ways to go before I get it all > setup, but......... I would much rather have Kubuntu. > > Billie Walsh I believe if you catch the disc at bootup there's a non-graphical install option. It's only up for a few seconds though. Greg From bootgr at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 20:55:48 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:55:48 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Jared Greenwald wrote: > Have you tried the alternate install cd? Nope. The option I'm thinking of may only be on the alternate install disc. If you don't see the non-graphical installation option on the regular disc, then there's one on the alternate install disc. Or you could install the non-gui LAMP server !! Greg From david.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 20 21:12:21 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:12:21 -0400 Subject: Is this the right place to ask questions about =?iso-8859-1?q?installing=09Compiz-Fusion=3F?= In-Reply-To: <200709201451.34507.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200709191033.31779.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <46F196DE.2050404@gmail.com> <200709201451.34507.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200709201712.21738.david.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007 2:51:33 pm Robert Tilley wrote: > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 05:38:38 pm Trevor wrote: > > Robert Tilley wrote: > > > Or is it such a specialized topic that I should refer this to a website > > > forum? > > > > > > I'm trying to install compiz-fusion on Kubuntu Feisty KDE and having > > > absolutely no success. I follow the instructions at > > > http://sathyasays.com/?p=34 and the only response after a "compiz > > > --replace" is for all but one window to disappear. That window also > > > loses it's border with the various Close, Minimize, Expand buttons and > > > the Title Bar. There is thus no way to move or resize it. I must then > > > log out through the K menu and never restart compiz. > > > > > > Thanks, Bob > > > > I am pretty sure I ran into this issue with my laptop that has an > > unsupported ATI video card in it. Run 'fglrxinfo' from the command line > > and post the results and we can go from there. > > > > Trevor > > I can't find the package "fglrxinfo" for Kubuntu Feisty. I don't know if > it's applicable as my Dell Dimension 2350 uses an Intel 82845G on-board > graphics chip. > > I can't find any references to problems with this board and assume that > compiz will work. If anyone knows anything about this issue, please post > to this list or e-mail me directly at "tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com". > > Thanks, Bob > -- > Fortune: You will be attacked next Wednesday at 3:15 p.m. by six samurai > sword wielding purple fish glued to Harley-Davidson motorcycles. That is because it is for an ATI chipset not Intel. I have the 82845GL on board Graphics chip on my desktop and I use the i915G dri driver package from Intel's website. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Thu Sep 20 21:35:45 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:35:45 +0100 Subject: KDE Panel error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709202235.45869.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Thursday 20 September 2007 14:09:25 Knapp wrote: > I have my panel set to hide automatically and immediately. It is set > so that the bar is in the middle with 100% length. > > Ever now and then I put the mouse to the bottom of the page and the > bar does not come up as it should. I have learned that if I do alt-F1 > it comes up and then I can click configue. That comes up and I see > that the bar is set to the right not the center. I put it back to the > center and all is well. > > This error has been around for a long time, years, and on more than > one of my computers. Does anyone else have this error? Do you know how > to fix it? Yes, I've been getting it on two computers. Happened on one again tonight so I did what I ended up doing on the other one - turn it off and allow the windows to cover the bar!! I was actually starting to wonder if it was just me that was having problems with it. > It is a pain in the butt but not fatal. On the other hand it took out > my mothers computer for 2 months because the alt-f1 trick did not work > and she could not fix it any other way. She had to reinstall the > system. You can imagine how hard that was over the phone with a mother > that does not like computers. The other way is to do Alt-F2 type Kcontrol. Goto Desktop - Panels - Hiding and deselect 'Hide Automatically' > Douglas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 21:41:39 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:41:39 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709202341.39867.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Anton, Thanks for the link. > Sounds like a timeout or keep-alive problem of some kind. > Maybe some suggestions on this page will help. > http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg45036.html I checked the page and the only parameter I can find that is referenced in "man pppd" is "lcp-echo-interval" (along with the other lcp_ ones). But "keepalive" does not seem to be part of pppd, nor is "connect_poll" so I am not sure where to put them at all. I will try the lcp-echo-interval one, not that the man page makes much sense to me, but it has a kind of "stay busy" flavour about it :) The irksome thing is that the ppp0 link does not break, it stays up and all seems well but there is no data moving. /d -- "The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." -- Isaac Asimov From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 20 22:07:21 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:07:21 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/20/07, Jared Greenwald wrote: >> Have you tried the alternate install cd? > > Nope. The option I'm thinking of may only be on the alternate install > disc. If you don't see the non-graphical installation option on the > regular disc, then there's one on the alternate install disc. Or you > could install the non-gui LAMP server !! > > Greg > This works to answer both. No, never saw anything about an "alternate" CD, well except a couple mentions on the list. I presume you are talking about the Daper LT. That's about as close as I could see to an alternative to the regular ones. Didn't see anything for Fiesty. The GUI installer on Freespire worked like a charm. The OS [ KDE ] works fine, if a teeny bit slower than I'm used to [ but the laptop processor is less than half as fast as my desktop to ]. The whole problem was that Kubuntu tried to load and run as a "Live CD" instead of just installing without all that being loaded into memory I REALLY think it would have installed just fine if it hadn't tried to load the whole system into memory first, Like Freespire did. Install and Run Live CD should be two different options. Install shouldn't run the Live CD first. Just load the installer and go. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From stdin at stdin.me.uk Thu Sep 20 22:24:17 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:24:17 +0100 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> Billie Walsh wrote: > Greg Booth wrote: > >> On 9/20/07, Jared Greenwald wrote: >> >>> Have you tried the alternate install cd? >>> >> Nope. The option I'm thinking of may only be on the alternate install >> disc. If you don't see the non-graphical installation option on the >> regular disc, then there's one on the alternate install disc. Or you >> could install the non-gui LAMP server !! >> >> Greg >> >> > > This works to answer both. > > No, never saw anything about an "alternate" CD, well except a couple > mentions on the list. I presume you are talking about the Daper LT. > That's about as close as I could see to an alternative to the regular > ones. Didn't see anything for Fiesty. > > The GUI installer on Freespire worked like a charm. The OS [ KDE ] works > fine, if a teeny bit slower than I'm used to [ but the laptop processor > is less than half as fast as my desktop to ]. > > The whole problem was that Kubuntu tried to load and run as a "Live CD" > instead of just installing without all that being loaded into memory I > REALLY think it would have installed just fine if it hadn't tried to > load the whole system into memory first, Like Freespire did. > > Install and Run Live CD should be two different options. Install > shouldn't run the Live CD first. Just load the installer and go. > > http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ < link to the alternate cd, text mode installer that just installs. Terence From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 20 22:59:36 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:59:36 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <46F2FB58.1020909@swbell.net> Terence Simpson wrote: > http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ < link to the alternate cd, > text mode installer that just installs. > > Terence > > This will still install the complete Kubuntu just like the other one? -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From franka at svpal.org Thu Sep 20 23:50:02 2007 From: franka at svpal.org (Frank Arnold) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:50:02 -0700 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu solved In-Reply-To: <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <46F3072A.3020405@svpal.org> Well I may have solved the problem. Downloaded and wrote to CD Hacao216Pro which is a version of Puppy Linux localized for Vietnamese. Its available on Distrowatch. Unfortunately their search engine does not accept anything but distro names Frank Arnold John L Fjellstad wrote: > Frank Arnold writes: > > >> Anyone know where I might be able to download Kubuntu iso >> as a localized Vietnamese version, or purchase such on CD? >> Can't read Vietnamese from Google. >> > > I'm not sure KDE is completely translated yet (nor userspace tools for > Linux). Although what I usually do is install the English version and > then the Vietnamese language files. Not sure what would happen if you > choose Vietnamese during installation. > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 23:54:19 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:54:19 +0200 Subject: Cannot switch keyboard layout In-Reply-To: <200709192232.44205.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00709170619l3da1fa8akff53720f8bf09908@mail.gmail.com> <200709181937.00929.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00709182221u67a4a22md8a837b2142c4c7@mail.gmail.com> <200709192232.44205.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00709201654q1a3437ado28dd90a804c82c85@mail.gmail.com> On 20/09/2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > You aren't much of a geek, sir. Nobody said anything about easy or > appropriate! :D Hehe, good point. I can think of other endeavors that I've taken that were neither easy nor appropriate, and they were usually worth the effort... At least I did until I married... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 00:49:10 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:49:10 -0400 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F2FB58.1020909@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> <46F2FB58.1020909@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> yep. i believe the "kubuntu-ness" comes from installing the kubuntu-desktop package, so as long as that's there you're in. (Riddell or someone correct me if I'm wrong.) On 9/20/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > > http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ < link to the alternate cd, > > text mode installer that just installs. > > > > Terence > > > > > > This will still install the complete Kubuntu just like the other one? > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 01:15:27 2007 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:15:27 -0400 Subject: Leaving mailing list - how? In-Reply-To: References: <200709160749.39003.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709202115.27613.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007, Marti Andrews wrote: >I'm going to leave this mailing list, but I can't remember how I even got > here, let alone how to leave it. Anyone? > >Marti Do you not see the very last line of every message that comes through the server Marti? Some email agents will strip and do not display, anything that comes after the usual sig separator marker, which is "newline,dash,dash,space,newline". I hate such agents because they hide a lot of humor and occasionally knowledge, from the user. See if my sig magically appears now since I've added a leading space to that line. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Is a person who blows up banks an econoclast? From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Sep 21 01:26:33 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:26:33 -0400 Subject: kpdf vs Adobe Reader In-Reply-To: <46F2A428.7010008@gmail.com> References: <200709180034.13119.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709192229.36556.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <46F2A428.7010008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709202126.34053.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 20 September 2007, Paul S wrote: > OK, I'll give kpdf another try. The last time I tried it was too big > (cut off the margins). OK now, that sounds plausible given what I just reported. Mine was just a little too big too. Come to think of it, I did have margin problems with my Brother HL-1440, using the "hl-1250 (recommended)" driver. I remember some forms I used to print for work where I had to set the scaling in OpenOffice.org to around 98% to get them to fit correctly, for example. I have a HL-5170DN now, and I run it with the PPD that came off the Windows CD, in PostScript compatibility mode. Any margin problems I have are, um, marginal now, and I'm getting along with the printer famously. So there might be room to say your particular printer might have something to do with this, and/or especially some interaction between it and KDE, since the Adobe product doesn't seem to suffer the same ill. The Adobe software isn't using KDE's printing backend. Maybe therein lies the problem, and there might even be a real bug here. Dunno, man. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 21 02:03:11 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:03:11 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> <46F2FB58.1020909@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> On 09/20/2007 Jared Greenwald wrote: > yep. i believe the "kubuntu-ness" comes from installing the > kubuntu-desktop package, so as long as that's there you're in. > (Riddell or someone correct me if I'm wrong.) That's what I figured. But, sometimes it's best to ask. I would rather look stupid than be stupid. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr Fri Sep 21 06:57:05 2007 From: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr (Fragoulis Tomboulis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:57:05 +0300 Subject: Dazuko Installation Message-ID: Hello to everybody, I've recently installed the Kubuntu 7.04 and I want to install the free AVG Antivirus version. According to the installation procedure, as a prerequisite, is needed the installation of dazuko. Following now the instructions of dazuko 2.3.3 installation, and after a successful compilation, trying to insert the dazuko to the kernel using "/sbin/insmod dazuko.ko" I'm taking the following error: "insmod: error inserting 'dazuko.ko': -l Invalid parameters" Does anyone knows how to resolve this problem and continue the installation? Thanks in advance. Best Regards to all. Fragoulis Tomboulis IT Manager Minerva Pharmaceutical SA 132 Kifissou Avenue, 121 31 Phone: +30 210 5702229 Fax: +30 210 5728215 Mobile: +30 6979550122 Email: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 07:09:38 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:09:38 +0200 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> <46F2FB58.1020909@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F36E32.7020101@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/20/2007 Jared Greenwald wrote: >> yep. i believe the "kubuntu-ness" comes from installing the >> kubuntu-desktop package, so as long as that's there you're in. >> (Riddell or someone correct me if I'm wrong.) > > That's what I figured. But, sometimes it's best to ask. I would rather > look stupid than be stupid. The only difference is exactly what you are looking for: the alternate CD does not load Kubuntu graphical but is an installer with very simple graphics. All the packages etc. are the same. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 07:15:40 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:15:40 +0200 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F36F9C.6090502@gmail.com> > snip > According to the installation procedure, as a prerequisite, is needed > the installation of dazuko. Not really - dazuko is only needed if you think you want/need "on access scanning" of files. For scanning/checking when you choose to and for email scanning AVG should work fine w/o dazuko. Sinclair From f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr Fri Sep 21 07:43:28 2007 From: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr (Fragoulis Tomboulis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:43:28 +0300 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: <46F36F9C.6090502@gmail.com> References: <46F36F9C.6090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sinclair and thanks for your replay. You're right, but I would like the "on access scanning" option because It seems to me, to be more secure that way. So, do you have any ideas about the problem? Please notice that the error recorded in /var/log/messages is: "dazuko: failed to register" Fragoulis Tomboulis IT Manager Minerva Pharmaceutical SA 132 Kifissou Avenue, 121 31 Phone: +30 210 5702229 Fax: +30 210 5728215 Mobile: +30 6979550122 Email: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of O. Sinclair Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:16 AM To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Re: Dazuko Installation > snip > According to the installation procedure, as a prerequisite, is needed > the installation of dazuko. Not really - dazuko is only needed if you think you want/need "on access scanning" of files. For scanning/checking when you choose to and for email scanning AVG should work fine w/o dazuko. Sinclair -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users __________ NOD32 2543 (20070921) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From kassube at gmx.net Fri Sep 21 08:18:46 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:18:46 +0200 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709211018.46227.kassube@gmx.net> Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Following now the instructions of dazuko 2.3.3 installation, and after > a successful compilation, trying > to insert the dazuko to the kernel using "/sbin/insmod dazuko.ko" I'm > taking the following error: > > "insmod: error inserting 'dazuko.ko': -l Invalid parameters" Try "modprobe dazuko.ko" instead. AFAIK the insmod program doesn't check for module dependencies and only tries to load the module given as parameter. However modprobe checks for dependencies and loads other modules as well, if necessary. Nils From f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr Fri Sep 21 08:54:30 2007 From: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr (Fragoulis Tomboulis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:54:30 +0300 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: <200709211018.46227.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200709211018.46227.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hello Nils, and thanks for your reply too. Following your advice, is happening something very weird!!! Although the file dazuko.ko exists in the directory, the "/sbin/modprobe dazuko.ko" returns: "FATAL: Module dazuko.ko not found". Any ideas? Fragoulis Tomboulis IT Manager Minerva Pharmaceutical SA 132 Kifissou Avenue, 121 31 Phone: +30 210 5702229 Fax: +30 210 5728215 Mobile: +30 6979550122 Email: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Nils Kassube Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:19 AM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Dazuko Installation Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Following now the instructions of dazuko 2.3.3 installation, and after > a successful compilation, trying > to insert the dazuko to the kernel using "/sbin/insmod dazuko.ko" I'm > taking the following error: > > "insmod: error inserting 'dazuko.ko': -l Invalid parameters" Try "modprobe dazuko.ko" instead. AFAIK the insmod program doesn't check for module dependencies and only tries to load the module given as parameter. However modprobe checks for dependencies and loads other modules as well, if necessary. Nils -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users __________ NOD32 2543 (20070921) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From gwh at dsl.pipex.com Fri Sep 21 08:58:13 2007 From: gwh at dsl.pipex.com (Geoff Horn) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:58:13 +0100 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: References: <200709211018.46227.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200709210958.13500.gwh@dsl.pipex.com> On Friday 21 September 2007 09:54:30 Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Hello Nils, and thanks for your reply too. > Following your advice, is happening something very weird!!! > Although the file dazuko.ko exists in the directory, the "/sbin/modprobe > dazuko.ko" returns: "FATAL: Module dazuko.ko not found". > Any ideas? modprobe dazuko From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Sep 21 09:06:16 2007 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:06:16 -0400 Subject: VMware (Was Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709200638.41470.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709210506.16283.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007 6:38:41 am David McGlone wrote: > On Thursday 20 September 2007 6:05:36 am Marti Andrews wrote: > > How do you use the VMWare player, I haven't figured it out. I open it, > > and then what? > > Once you get VMWare player installed you will then have to install Windows > using the VMWare player. > You will also need to obtain a (VMWare-compatible) virtual disk image (shouldn't be difficult to find on the net). By definition it will be formatted, but it need not have anything installed. VM Player will allow you to open existing disks and install OSs, but will not allow you to make new disks from scratch. VM Workstation (non-free) allows you to create disks as well. The latter also has the ability to let the guest OS connect directly to the host OS using private IP address on the host whereas Player requires you to use a more convoluted approach. Paul From f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr Fri Sep 21 09:07:50 2007 From: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr (Fragoulis Tomboulis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:07:50 +0300 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: <200709210958.13500.gwh@dsl.pipex.com> References: <200709211018.46227.kassube@gmx.net> <200709210958.13500.gwh@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: Once again thanks all of you for your replies. Modprobe dazuko returns: "FATAL: Error inserting dazuko (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/fs/dazuko/dazuko.ko): Invalid argument Fragoulis Tomboulis IT Manager Minerva Pharmaceutical SA 132 Kifissou Avenue, 121 31 Phone: +30 210 5702229 Fax: +30 210 5728215 Mobile: +30 6979550122 Email: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Horn Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:58 AM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Dazuko Installation On Friday 21 September 2007 09:54:30 Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Hello Nils, and thanks for your reply too. > Following your advice, is happening something very weird!!! > Although the file dazuko.ko exists in the directory, the "/sbin/modprobe > dazuko.ko" returns: "FATAL: Module dazuko.ko not found". > Any ideas? modprobe dazuko -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users __________ NOD32 2543 (20070921) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From gwh at dsl.pipex.com Fri Sep 21 09:30:34 2007 From: gwh at dsl.pipex.com (Geoff Horn) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:30:34 +0100 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: References: <200709210958.13500.gwh@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <200709211030.34873.gwh@dsl.pipex.com> On Friday 21 September 2007 10:07:50 Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Once again thanks all of you for your replies. > > Modprobe dazuko returns: > > "FATAL: Error inserting dazuko > (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/fs/dazuko/dazuko.ko): Invalid > argument I haven't been following this thread but a little googling brought up this Ubuntu thread from last year, have you read it? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-201822.html If you haven't added any options anywhere by hand, maybe the last entry in the above thread will work. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 08:23:55 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:23:55 +0200 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: References: <46F36F9C.6090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F37F9B.5000502@gmail.com> Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Hello Sinclair and thanks for your replay. > You're right, but I would like the "on access scanning" option because > It seems to me, to be more secure that way. > So, do you have any ideas about the problem? > Please notice that the error recorded in /var/log/messages is: > > "dazuko: failed to register" No I have never tried dazuko myself. I am in a Windows-dominated environment but as far as I am concerned it is enough for me to do a scan now and then of my "home" and to keep an eye on incoming mail. You will soon notice what is virus anyhow in a linux-environment. For fun I have tried to click on some links etc. and all that happens is - nothing. When I scan my mailfolders it has happened that some winvirus was lurking there but nothing that can affect me. Hence I don't worry about on-access scanning. But check ubuntuforums.org or the forums at http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/ and I am sure you will find help. Sinclair From david.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 21 11:00:46 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:46 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List Message-ID: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> Is there anyone here that also subscribes to the kubuntu-devel list? I haven't seen 1 E-mail from that list since I subscribed a week ago. Have I been talking to myself on that list? :-) -- David M. From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com Fri Sep 21 11:41:56 2007 From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:41:56 +0100 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Walsh wrote: > Is there a CD that can be downloaded and burned that will JUST install, > not load then install? Yes this is the so called 'alternate' iso. It will boot into an install menu, and is not a live CD. It runs as an installer in text mode not GUI. see http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php and as a specific (UK) example http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ kubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso > I set my laptop up to dual boot If your laptop is already running as dual boot, then what are you using - as OS's and also which boot manager? (windows and linspire?) > and wanted to install Kubuntu on the > system. When I tried it tried to load like a "Live CD" then install. The > laptop is a little bit short of memory for that technique. I did get > Linspire installed because it JUST installed instead of trying to load > into memory first. > > So far it seems to be working fine. Got a ways to go before I get it all > setup, but......... I would much rather have Kubuntu. How do you intend to proceed? Will you delete the linspire and replace it with kubuntu? For example if you deleted the linspire partiton/s (probably including swap) to leave yourself with a large unused space, you might find this an easy install option which will be recognised by the installer. good luck -- ac From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:08:59 2007 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:08:59 +0200 Subject: KDE Panel error In-Reply-To: <200709202235.45869.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200709202235.45869.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes, sometimes I just ignore the problem and Alt-tab around my open windows. Can anyone reproduce the error at will? Then maybe we could fix it?? It has been around way to long and will mess up a newbies day! Douglas From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 21 12:30:51 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:30:51 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F3B97B.1060009@swbell.net> ac wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Is there a CD that can be downloaded and burned that will JUST install, >> not load then install? > > Yes this is the so called 'alternate' iso. > It will boot into an install menu, and is not a live CD. It runs as an > installer in text mode not GUI. > > see > http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php > and as a specific (UK) example > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ > kubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso Downloaded it, but haven't taken time to burn it yet. > >> I set my laptop up to dual boot > > If your laptop is already running as dual boot, then what are you > using - as OS's and also which boot manager? > (windows and linspire?) Win XP and Freespire 2.0 using Grub. > >> and wanted to install Kubuntu on the >> system. When I tried it tried to load like a "Live CD" then install. The >> laptop is a little bit short of memory for that technique. I did get >> Linspire installed because it JUST installed instead of trying to load >> into memory first. >> >> So far it seems to be working fine. Got a ways to go before I get it all >> setup, but......... I would much rather have Kubuntu. > > > How do you intend to proceed? Will you delete the linspire and replace > it with kubuntu? > > For example if you deleted the linspire partiton/s (probably including > swap) to leave yourself with a large unused space, you might find > this an easy install option which will be recognised by the installer. > > good luck That's kind of my intention. Just delete the partition and go for it with Kubuntu. What I should have done in the first place was wait for some answers here before I did something like install Freespire. Nothing is done that can't be fixed. I plan on kicking up the ram. That should help a bit. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 21 13:15:52 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:15:52 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F36E32.7020101@gmail.com> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201348r140944f5qbffbd89f111beef7@mail.gmail.com> <720b310e0709201355l7a40cb0fw6257c891bbe727f5@mail.gmail.com> <46F2EF19.5090006@swbell.net> <46F2F311.7090109@stdin.me.uk> <46F2FB58.1020909@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> <46F36E32.7020101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F3C408.5040803@swbell.net> Thanks to everyone that answered. I haven't got it installed just yet but think I am closer now. Need to burn the CD. Should have asked before hand. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From carlosdgtorres at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 13:19:43 2007 From: carlosdgtorres at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Torres) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:19:43 +0800 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709212119.43582.carlosdgtorres@gmail.com> On Friday 21 September 2007 7:00:46 pm David McGlone wrote: > Is there anyone here that also subscribes to the kubuntu-devel list? I > haven't seen 1 E-mail from that list since I subscribed a week ago. Have I > been talking to myself on that list? :-) Nope. It's a low traffic list. Most of the Kubuntu devs prefer IRC over ML it seems. From stew.schneider at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 13:49:21 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:49:21 -0400 Subject: List email headers In-Reply-To: <46F3C440.3060207@gmail.com> References: <46F3C440.3060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F3CBE1.90305@gmail.com> Michael wrote: > I am using K 7.04 and Thunderbird. When I retrieve my email, it is > sorted in to different folders, depending on what mailing list the email > comes from. This is done using Thunderbird's filter function. I use > the subject line for the others, but the Kubuntu mailing list does not > pre-pend the word Kubuntu in the subject so it fails the filter. I know > there are other headers I could use - I just don't know how to do it? > Can some one lead the way? Or is this question more appropriate on a > Thunderbird list? > No problem, Michael. I filter on list-id. If you hit View|Headers|All you can see all the headers. List-ID isn't one of the default filter options, but you can add it. Works a charm. stew From andre at bitwigglers.org Fri Sep 21 13:52:26 2007 From: andre at bitwigglers.org (Andre Haupt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:52:26 +0200 Subject: List email headers In-Reply-To: <46F3C440.3060207@gmail.com> References: <46F3C440.3060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070921135226.GA17005@ahaupt-debian-vm.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 08:16:48AM -0500, Michael wrote: > I am using K 7.04 and Thunderbird. When I retrieve my email, it is > sorted in to different folders, depending on what mailing list the email > comes from. This is done using Thunderbird's filter function. I use > the subject line for the others, but the Kubuntu mailing list does not > pre-pend the word Kubuntu in the subject so it fails the filter. I know > there are other headers I could use - I just don't know how to do it? > Can some one lead the way? Or is this question more appropriate on a > Thunderbird list? You can use the "To: or CC:" rule with kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com as address in thunderbird. HTH, Andre From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 14:06:16 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:06:16 -0400 Subject: encryption Message-ID: <200709211006.16626.cms0009@gmail.com> how does one turn on email encryption so that message sent have the caption boarder around it when the party received it ? (kmail) Otherwords, I want to send all my email pgp , but don't want every one to have to get a key. TIA Rick From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 21 14:33:28 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:33:28 -0300 Subject: encryption References: <200709211006.16626.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick wrote: > how does one turn on email encryption so that message sent have the > caption boarder around it when the party received it ? (kmail) > > Otherwords, I want to send all my email pgp , but don't want every one to > have to get a key. I presume you mean you want pgp _signing_, not encryption. In which case you click on the Options/Sign Message menu (or the corresponding icon on the toolbar). Or you go to the KMail config screen, select Security and the "Composing" tab, and check "Automatically Sign Messages". -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 15:22:05 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:22:05 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Have I been > talking to myself on that list? That would depend on whether you were replying! /d From bootgr at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 15:34:44 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:34:44 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709210834r7803bb20r90bfe2eb60adcc5e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/07, Donn wrote: > > Have I been > > talking to myself on that list? > That would depend on whether you were replying! > > > /d > And remember, it's ok to argue with yourself, but once you start losing the arguments you've got problems.... -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 21 16:15:22 2007 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:15:22 -0700 Subject: Dazuko Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F3EE1A.3090601@rlknight.com> Fragoulis Tomboulis wrote: > Hello to everybody, > > > > I've recently installed the Kubuntu 7.04 and I want to install the free AVG > Antivirus version. > > According to the installation procedure, as a prerequisite, is needed the > installation of dazuko. > > Following now the instructions of dazuko 2.3.3 installation, and after a > successful compilation, trying > > to insert the dazuko to the kernel using "/sbin/insmod dazuko.ko" I'm taking > the following error: > > > > "insmod: error inserting 'dazuko.ko': -l Invalid parameters" > > > > Does anyone knows how to resolve this problem and continue the installation? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Best Regards to all. > > > > > > Fragoulis Tomboulis > > IT Manager > > Minerva Pharmaceutical SA > > 132 Kifissou Avenue, 121 31 > > Phone: +30 210 5702229 > > Fax: +30 210 5728215 > > Mobile: +30 6979550122 > > Email: f.tomboulis at minervapharm.gr > > > > > > > > > There is a conflicting security module, capability, that must be loaded after the dazuko module. In order for this to happen, I had to write a shell script to unload capability, load dazuko and then reload capability. Dazuko works fine that way. Rick From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Sep 21 16:15:12 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:15:12 -0700 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> <46F1CEB2.8040308@svpal.org> Message-ID: <87abrghu5r.fsf@fjellstad.org> Frank Arnold writes: > Thank you. That may be a viable option. > Do you have a link for the Vietnamese files? > Frank just do a aptitude install kde-i18n-vi language-pack-kde-vi openoffice.org-l10n-vi xfonts-intl-asia Or use the adept package manager and search for vietnamese -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Sep 21 18:25:37 2007 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:25:37 +0200 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709212025.37648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Friday 21 September 2007 04:03, Billie Walsh wrote: > I would rather > look stupid than be stupid. This is wisdom. Others on the list gave good advice; I had problems on a test machine (an old one) with the normal install and had no problem with the alternate CD. Now that I know how (K)Ubuntu looks I don't see the point with using the "normal" install. I would have named the normal "demo" and the alternate "install" Welcome to (K)Ubuntu Perry -- BOFH excuse #117: the printer thinks it's a router From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:59:24 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:59:24 -0400 Subject: encryption In-Reply-To: References: <200709211006.16626.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709211459.24370.cms0009@gmail.com> On Friday 21 September 2007 10:33:28 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Rick wrote: > > how does one turn on email encryption so that message sent have the > > caption boarder around it when the party received it ? (kmail) > > > > Otherwords, I want to send all my email pgp , but don't want every one to > > have to get a key. > > I presume you mean you want pgp _signing_, not encryption. > > In which case you click on the Options/Sign Message menu (or the > corresponding icon on the toolbar). Or you go to the KMail config screen, > select Security and the "Composing" tab, and check "Automatically Sign > Messages". > -- > derek thanks... Derek From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com Fri Sep 21 19:37:11 2007 From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:37:11 +0100 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F3B97B.1060009@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <46F3B97B.1060009@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Walsh wrote: > ac wrote: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> Is there a CD that can be downloaded and burned that will JUST install, >>> not load then install? >> >> Yes this is the so called 'alternate' iso. >> It will boot into an install menu, and is not a live CD. It runs as an >> installer in text mode not GUI. >> >> see >> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php >> and as a specific (UK) example >> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/ >> kubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso > > Downloaded it, but haven't taken time to burn it yet. > >> >>> I set my laptop up to dual boot >> >> If your laptop is already running as dual boot, then what are you >> using - as OS's and also which boot manager? >> (windows and linspire?) > > Win XP and Freespire 2.0 using Grub. > >> >>> and wanted to install Kubuntu on the >>> system. When I tried it tried to load like a "Live CD" then install. The >>> laptop is a little bit short of memory for that technique. I did get >>> Linspire installed because it JUST installed instead of trying to load >>> into memory first. >>> >>> So far it seems to be working fine. Got a ways to go before I get it all >>> setup, but......... I would much rather have Kubuntu. >> >> >> How do you intend to proceed? Will you delete the linspire and replace >> it with kubuntu? >> >> For example if you deleted the linspire partiton/s (probably including >> swap) to leave yourself with a large unused space, you might find >> this an easy install option which will be recognised by the installer. >> >> good luck > > That's kind of my intention. Just delete the partition and go for it > with Kubuntu. What I should have done in the first place was wait for > some answers here before I did something like install Freespire. Nothing > is done that can't be fixed. > > I plan on kicking up the ram. That should help a bit. When you delete the freespire partition (the system partition and also probably the swap partition, probably at least two partitions) then note the sizes of what you have - note the size of the windows ntfs partition and note any other partitions - sometimes there is a 50Mb or so partition near the start (fat 32 maybe) - to aid diagnosis (from manufacturers such as Dell). The reason to note sizes is that when you are answering questions in the installer, or whatever, the sizes will help you to confirm your thinking and identification of the partitions or space that you are deciding about. -- ac From david.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 21 19:43:52 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:43:52 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709211543.52387.david.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 21 September 2007 11:22:05 am Donn wrote: > > Have I been > > talking to myself on that list? > > That would depend on whether you were replying! I was tempted to ;-) -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 21 19:51:16 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:51:16 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709210834r7803bb20r90bfe2eb60adcc5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <720b310e0709210834r7803bb20r90bfe2eb60adcc5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709211551.16917.david.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 21 September 2007 11:34:44 am Greg Booth wrote: > On 9/21/07, Donn wrote: > > > Have I been > > > talking to myself on that list? > > > > That would depend on whether you were replying! > > > > > > /d > > And remember, it's ok to argue with yourself, but once you start > losing the arguments you've got problems.... This list has made me laugh more in the last 3 days than I've laughed in I don't know how long. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From franka at svpal.org Fri Sep 21 22:32:03 2007 From: franka at svpal.org (Frank Arnold) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:32:03 -0700 Subject: Vietnamese kubuntu In-Reply-To: <87abrghu5r.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <46F19A0F.4050504@svpal.org> <87vea6teks.fsf@fjellstad.org> <46F1CEB2.8040308@svpal.org> <87abrghu5r.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <46F44663.4080209@svpal.org> Thank you very much. although the puppy variant is nice perhaps now I can stick with Kubuntu. Frank John L Fjellstad wrote: > Frank Arnold writes: > > >> Thank you. That may be a viable option. >> Do you have a link for the Vietnamese files? >> Frank >> > > just do a > aptitude install kde-i18n-vi language-pack-kde-vi openoffice.org-l10n-vi xfonts-intl-asia > Or use the adept package manager and search for vietnamese > > From marce34 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 20:40:28 2007 From: marce34 at gmail.com (Marcelino Luna) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:40:28 +0200 Subject: Screen goes blank loading X after upgrading memory Message-ID: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> I have this strange problem that is driving me nuts. Since I upgraded my PC (Kudoz 7 motherboard with a memory frequency of 266 Mhz, an Athlon 1400Mhz and an Nvidia Geforce 4200) with a 512MB DDR-333 module (a total of 1GB) Kubuntu seems to start but when the X server loads the image on the screen goes blank (the monitor 'says' it has no signal). Meanwhile I can hear what seems to be the desktop finishing the loading. The machine seems to work well with Windows and so it does Linux if I let it with just 512MB, the old two 256MB modules or the new one. I've tried to install Kubuntu on another hard disk and the problem arose just when I installed the Nvidia drivers. Any ideas? Thanks in advance //.arce From david.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 21 23:02:11 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:02:11 -0400 Subject: Screen goes blank loading X after upgrading memory In-Reply-To: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> References: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709211902.11344.david.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 21 September 2007 4:40:28 pm Marcelino Luna wrote: > I have this strange problem that is driving me nuts. > > Since I upgraded my PC (Kudoz 7 motherboard with a memory frequency of > 266 Mhz, an Athlon 1400Mhz and an Nvidia Geforce 4200) with a 512MB > DDR-333 module (a total of 1GB) Kubuntu seems to start but when the X > server loads the image on the screen goes blank (the monitor 'says' it > has no signal). Meanwhile I can hear what seems to be the desktop > finishing the loading. > > The machine seems to work well with Windows and so it does Linux if I > let it with just 512MB, the old two 256MB modules or the new one. > > I've tried to install Kubuntu on another hard disk and the problem arose > just when I installed the Nvidia drivers. > > Any ideas? Did you check to see how much memory windows was recognizing when you booted into it or did you just confirm a visual boot? -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From marce34 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 23:30:53 2007 From: marce34 at gmail.com (Marcelino Luna) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:30:53 +0200 Subject: Screen goes blank loading X after upgrading memory In-Reply-To: <200709211902.11344.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> <200709211902.11344.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46F302AD.90708@gmail.com> David McGlone wrote: > Did you check to see how much memory windows was recognizing when you > booted into it or did you just confirm a visual boot? Well, I must confess I didn't check the amount of memory, but now I do: Windows recognizes the whole 1GB, seen through Windows' System Properties and SiSoft Sandra. Cheers, //.arce From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 21 23:31:59 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:31:59 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <200709212025.37648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <2759cf860709201749q1538c51dlcf8829f352874e74@mail.gmail.com> <46F3265F.60202@swbell.net> <200709212025.37648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <46F4546F.3010905@swbell.net> On 09/21/2007 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > This is wisdom. > > Others on the list gave good advice; I had problems on a test machine > (an old > one) with the normal install and had no problem with the alternate > CD. Now > that I know how (K)Ubuntu looks I don't see the point with using the > "normal" install. I would have named the normal "demo" and the > alternate > "install" > > Welcome to (K)Ubuntu Perry Yeah, what he said. OR, maybe call the "normal" install disk "Live CD" and the "alternate" "Install". I don't know if I will get the install done tonight. But will sometime this weekend and let you all know how it went. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 00:20:12 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:20:12 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <46F3B97B.1060009@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F45FBC.80301@swbell.net> On 09/21/2007 ac wrote: > When you delete the freespire partition (the system partition and > also > probably the swap partition, probably at least two partitions) > then note the sizes of what you have - note the size of the windows > ntfs partition and note any other partitions - sometimes there is a > 50Mb or so partition near the start (fat 32 maybe) - to aid diagnosis > (from manufacturers such as Dell). > The reason to note sizes is that when you are answering questions in > the installer, or whatever, the sizes will help you to confirm your > thinking and identification of the partitions or space that you are > deciding about. I replaced the original drive with a blank 80G I partitioned into two 40G drives [ well as close as you can cause the "80" isn't really "80" - more like 79 something. ] As it turned out the Linux half turned out just a tiny bit larger. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 00:24:28 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:24:28 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <200709211551.16917.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709211722.05662.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <720b310e0709210834r7803bb20r90bfe2eb60adcc5e@mail.gmail.com> <200709211551.16917.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46F460BC.3040302@swbell.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 21 September 2007 11:34:44 am Greg Booth wrote: >> On 9/21/07, Donn wrote: >>>> Have I been >>>> talking to myself on that list? >>> That would depend on whether you were replying! >>> >>> >>> /d >> And remember, it's ok to argue with yourself, but once you start >> losing the arguments you've got problems.... > > This list has made me laugh more in the last 3 days than I've laughed in I > don't know how long. > We try. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 01:08:07 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:08:07 -0400 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <46F45FBC.80301@swbell.net> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <46F3B97B.1060009@swbell.net> <46F45FBC.80301@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2759cf860709211808o1d872be3r477251f6a42d70aa@mail.gmail.com> You may want to install windows first in that case. Otherwise you will need to use the windows bootloader instead of grub. -Jared On 9/21/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/21/2007 ac wrote: > > When you delete the freespire partition (the system partition and > > also > > probably the swap partition, probably at least two partitions) > > then note the sizes of what you have - note the size of the windows > > ntfs partition and note any other partitions - sometimes there is a > > 50Mb or so partition near the start (fat 32 maybe) - to aid diagnosis > > (from manufacturers such as Dell). > > The reason to note sizes is that when you are answering questions in > > the installer, or whatever, the sizes will help you to confirm your > > thinking and identification of the partitions or space that you are > > deciding about. > > I replaced the original drive with a blank 80G I partitioned into two > 40G drives [ well as close as you can cause the "80" isn't really "80" - > more like 79 something. ] As it turned out the Linux half turned out > just a tiny bit larger. > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 01:28:56 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:28:56 -0500 Subject: Install In-Reply-To: <2759cf860709211808o1d872be3r477251f6a42d70aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F2DB32.6040701@swbell.net> <46F3B97B.1060009@swbell.net> <46F45FBC.80301@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211808o1d872be3r477251f6a42d70aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F46FD8.4090704@swbell.net> On 09/21/2007 Jared Greenwald wrote: > You may want to install windows first in that case. Otherwise you > will need to use the windows bootloader instead of grub. > > -Jared Yeah. Did that. Although I understand there is a way to do it the other way round. Just never looked into it. I've always loaded Windows first and got it all set up then installed Linux. Well, I did get around to doing the Kubuntu install tonight after all. Went smooth as silk. A HUGE thanks to everyone for all the help. I'm now an "almost" happy camper. But that's fodder for future threads. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 01:55:17 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:55:17 -0500 Subject: wifi Message-ID: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> First of probably many questions I have a Belkin wifi card, model F5D7010. It has an Atheros chipset. According to Madwifi it is supposed to work. It is also listed with ndiswrapper. Which would be the better choice? I see madwifi listed in adept but not ndiswrapper. Do I need kwifimanager? -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 02:40:24 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:40:24 -0400 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > First of probably many questions > > I have a Belkin wifi card, model F5D7010. It has an Atheros chipset. > According to Madwifi it is supposed to work. It is also listed with > ndiswrapper. > > Which would be the better choice? I see madwifi listed in adept but not > ndiswrapper. I don't have any experience with either of these, but I would imagine that if its in adept, its probably been tested on ubuntu to work. (I have used wifi, but the cards I've used are usually supported.) > > Do I need kwifimanager? I don't think that you need this since knetworkmanager should be able to take care of these functions. > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 03:21:23 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:21:23 -0500 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> On 09/21/2007 Jared Greenwald wrote: > > I don't have any experience with either of these, but I would imagine > that if its in adept, its probably been tested on ubuntu to work. (I > have used wifi, but the cards I've used are usually supported.) > Kubuntu recognized the wifi card when I installed but the lights don't light up. That makes me wonder if I need drivers. > > > > > > Do I need kwifimanager? > > I don't think that you need this since knetworkmanager should be able > to take care of these functions. > It does show up in knetworkmanager. I was just wondering if kwifimanager would add functionality. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Sep 22 05:03:16 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:03:16 +0100 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/21/2007 Jared Greenwald wrote: > >> I don't have any experience with either of these, but I would imagine >> that if its in adept, its probably been tested on ubuntu to work. (I >> have used wifi, but the cards I've used are usually supported.) >> >> > > Kubuntu recognized the wifi card when I installed but the lights don't > light up. That makes me wonder if I need drivers. > > >>>> Do I need kwifimanager? >>>> >> I don't think that you need this since knetworkmanager should be able >> to take care of these functions. >> >> > > It does show up in knetworkmanager. I was just wondering if kwifimanager > would add functionality. > > If it works then you already have the driver, no need to install another one, and kwifimanager will not add any functionality that's not already in knetworkmanager. Like they say, if it ain't broke... Terence From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 06:19:14 2007 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:19:14 +0200 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709220819.14595.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On 22/9/2007, Jared Greenwald wrote: > On 9/21/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Which would be the better choice? I see madwifi listed in adept but not > > ndiswrapper. Ndiswrapper is there. I use the Acer internal Inproconn Ipn 2220 with it and it works well. > I don't have any experience with either of these, but I would imagine > that if its in adept, its probably been tested on ubuntu to work.  (I > have used wifi, but the cards I've used are usually supported.) I once tested, something like nearly a year ago, a Simply Mephis and was surprised to have my wlan starting at boot with the wireless switched off. It worked so well that it connected to my neighbour open net! No good... but I managed to find 64bit drivers and succeeded in getting kubuntu work all right. I've also noticed they have added support for other wifi cards in Gutsy. -- lanzen From kassube at gmx.net Sat Sep 22 06:16:57 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:16:57 +0200 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709220816.57706.kassube@gmx.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Kubuntu recognized the wifi card when I installed but the lights don't > light up. That makes me wonder if I need drivers. I have a different wifi card but the same effect. Wifi worked but the LED was off. Somehow I found out that there is a module option needed for the LED to work. In /etc/modprobe.d/options I have this entry: options ipw2200 led=1 Obviously this line will not work for you because you have another module, but you could try to replace the "ipw2200" with the module name of your card. Nils From david.mcglone at att.net Sat Sep 22 11:28:50 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:28:50 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Devel List In-Reply-To: <46F460BC.3040302@swbell.net> References: <200709210700.46450.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709211551.16917.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F460BC.3040302@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709220728.51167.david.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 21 September 2007 8:24:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Friday 21 September 2007 11:34:44 am Greg Booth wrote: > >> On 9/21/07, Donn wrote: > >>>> Have I been > >>>> talking to myself on that list? > >>> > >>> That would depend on whether you were replying! > >>> > >>> > >>> /d > >> > >> And remember, it's ok to argue with yourself, but once you start > >> losing the arguments you've got problems.... > > > > This list has made me laugh more in the last 3 days than I've laughed in > > I don't know how long. > > We try. It's nice to be able to goof off every once in a while without someone yelling we are off topic. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Sat Sep 22 11:49:38 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:49:38 -0400 Subject: Screen goes blank loading X after upgrading memory In-Reply-To: <46F302AD.90708@gmail.com> References: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> <200709211902.11344.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F302AD.90708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709220749.38583.david.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 20 September 2007 7:30:53 pm Marcelino Luna wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > Did you check to see how much memory windows was recognizing when you > > booted into it or did you just confirm a visual boot? > > Well, I must confess I didn't check the amount of memory, but now I > do: Windows recognizes the whole 1GB, seen through Windows' System > Properties and SiSoft Sandra. Ok that's good. I was thinking that your memory modules didn't match or one was bad, but that isn't the case. Have you checked to see what linux was recognizing with top? I know it's unlikely one or both of the modules are faulty, but it's always best to make sure. If I were you I would also check to see if the module(s) are seated properly. This is highly unlikely, but sometimes windows if flaky. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Sat Sep 22 12:07:33 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:07:33 -0400 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709220807.33951.david.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 21 September 2007 9:55:17 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > First of probably many questions > > I have a Belkin wifi card, model F5D7010. It has an Atheros chipset. > According to Madwifi it is supposed to work. It is also listed with > ndiswrapper. > > Which would be the better choice? I see madwifi listed in adept but not > ndiswrapper. > > Do I need kwifimanager? I would personally go with ndiswrapper. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 12:28:49 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:28:49 -0500 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> On 09/22/2007 Terence Simpson wrote: > If it works then you already have the driver, no need to install > another > one, and kwifimanager will not add any functionality that's not > already > in knetworkmanager. > Like they say, if it ain't broke... > > Terence I'm not so sure it is working. The lights on the card don't light at all. I put in the WEP key and "shared" and click connect, it gets so far and stalls. Knetwork manager does show all the networks available though. It does read the card but its sort of like the driver is wrong. Or at least something is "missing". -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From marce34 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 16:06:18 2007 From: marce34 at gmail.com (Marcelino Luna) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:06:18 +0200 Subject: Screen goes blank loading X after upgrading memory In-Reply-To: <200709220749.38583.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> <200709211902.11344.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F302AD.90708@gmail.com> <200709220749.38583.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <46F53D7A.1050304@gmail.com> David McGlone wrote: > Have you checked to see what linux was recognizing with top? I know it's > unlikely one or both of the modules are faulty, but it's always best to make > Top reports 1034756 Kbytes of total physical memory while booting without Nvidia driver. > sure. If I were you I would also check to see if the module(s) are seated > properly. This is highly unlikely, but sometimes windows if flaky. Wow, I checked it several hundred times... Cheers, //.arce From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Sep 22 22:00:20 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:00:20 -0400 Subject: fstab In-Reply-To: <46F55405.9020405@gmail.com> References: <46F55405.9020405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709221800.21216.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 22 September 2007, Michael wrote: > Debian and a few other distros use? There is no reason I need to have > it under /mnt/, I am just wondering what the reason for moving it was? I think it's part of the Linux Standards Base or something. LSB docs point to how the LSB include the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, and the FHS explanation for /media vs. /mnt can be found here: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Sep 22 22:20:14 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:20:14 -0500 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <200709220816.57706.kassube@gmx.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> <200709220816.57706.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F5951E.5040306@swbell.net> On 09/22/2007 Nils Kassube wrote: > I have a different wifi card but the same effect. Wifi worked but the > LED > was off. Somehow I found out that there is a module option needed for > the > LED to work. In /etc/modprobe.d/options I have this entry: > > options ipw2200 led=1 > > Obviously this line will not work for you because you have another > module, > but you could try to replace the "ipw2200" with the module name of > your > card. > > > Nils Where would I find this "module" thing? I thought maybe the file would just need something uncommented but......well......sometimes I shouldn't think. It just bugs the S___ out of me that the lights don't show anything is happening. I like to see when something is actually doing something. I'm not sure just what I did but it is now working. Some of the steps I went through are: Tried connecting with knetworkmanager. Just kept hanging during the "configuration". Gave up on that and installed ndiswrapper. Never could find any way to get it running. Went into System Settings > Network and set up the wifi connection. Knetworkmanager wouldn't release the card so I rebooted the machine to reset it. Tried to start ndiswrapper. No dice. Uninstalled. Knetwork manager didn't show the wireless stuff anymore so I installed kwifimanager. Started kwifimanager [ and it does give better wifi tools than knetworkmanager ] and the connection worked!!!! -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 23:33:17 2007 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:33:17 -0400 Subject: new motherboard Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0709221633p3e0718f7w1676b018a03020a3@mail.gmail.com> I am about to buy an Asus P5K motherboard. Has any got any experiene with this board and Kubuntu? uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nixternal at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 23 00:19:55 2007 From: nixternal at ubuntu.com (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:19:55 -0500 Subject: new motherboard In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0709221633p3e0718f7w1676b018a03020a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0709221633p3e0718f7w1676b018a03020a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709221919.58756.nixternal@ubuntu.com> On Saturday 22 September 2007, uriah heep wrote: | I am about to buy an Asus P5K motherboard. Has any got any experiene with | this board and Kubuntu? | | uriah That board works like a champ. I haven't tried the Crossfire stuff, but other than that, everything worked out of the box fine for me. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at ubuntu.com GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 00:41:05 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:41:05 -0500 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709221941.05483.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 22 September 2007 07:28:49 am Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/22/2007 Terence Simpson wrote: > > If it works then you already have the driver, no need to install > > another > > one, and kwifimanager will not add any functionality that's not > > already > > in knetworkmanager. > > Like they say, if it ain't broke... > > > > Terence > > I'm not so sure it is working. The lights on the card don't light at > all. I put in the WEP key and "shared" and click connect, it gets so far > and stalls. Knetwork manager does show all the networks available though. > > It does read the card but its sort of like the driver is wrong. Or at > least something is "missing". > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! What kind of Encryption (if any) is you WAP using? -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 02:11:47 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:11:47 -0500 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <200709221941.05483.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> <200709221941.05483.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F5CB63.2020707@swbell.net> On 09/22/2007 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > What kind of Encryption (if any) is you WAP using? Not WAP. Just WEP. Something, something, hex. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From david.mcglone at att.net Sun Sep 23 02:50:14 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:50:14 -0400 Subject: Screen goes blank loading X after upgrading memory In-Reply-To: <46F53D7A.1050304@gmail.com> References: <46F42C3C.3090709@gmail.com> <200709220749.38583.david.mcglone@att.net> <46F53D7A.1050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709222250.14899.david.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 22 September 2007 12:06:18 pm Marcelino Luna wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > Have you checked to see what linux was recognizing with top? I know it's > > unlikely one or both of the modules are faulty, but it's always best to > > make > > Top reports 1034756 Kbytes of total physical memory while booting > without Nvidia driver. That's just about 1GB so it seems even kubuntu is recognizing all the memory. > > > sure. If I were you I would also check to see if the module(s) are > > seated properly. This is highly unlikely, but sometimes windows if flaky. > > Wow, I checked it several hundred times... Never hurts to check several hundred and one times. ;-) Well It looks like hardware failure can be ruled out. I haven't a clue why Kubuntu is acting this way. I'm actually baffled here myself now. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Sep 23 06:07:55 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:07:55 +0100 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F602BB.4070105@stdin.me.uk> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/22/2007 Terence Simpson wrote: > >> If it works then you already have the driver, no need to install >> another >> one, and kwifimanager will not add any functionality that's not >> already >> in knetworkmanager. >> Like they say, if it ain't broke... >> >> Terence >> > > I'm not so sure it is working. The lights on the card don't light at > all. I put in the WEP key and "shared" and click connect, it gets so far > and stalls. Knetwork manager does show all the networks available though. > > It does read the card but its sort of like the driver is wrong. Or at > least something is "missing". > > Try using "open" instead of "shared" mose APs will use open authentication. Terence From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 23 06:19:16 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:19:16 +0200 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <46F5951E.5040306@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709220816.57706.kassube@gmx.net> <46F5951E.5040306@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/22/2007 Nils Kassube wrote: > > I have a different wifi card but the same effect. Wifi worked but the > > LED > > was off. Somehow I found out that there is a module option needed for > > the > > LED to work. In /etc/modprobe.d/options I have this entry: > > > > options ipw2200 led=1 > > > > Obviously this line will not work for you because you have another > > module, > > but you could try to replace the "ipw2200" with the module name of > > your > > card. > > Where would I find this "module" thing? I thought maybe the file would > just need something uncommented but......well......sometimes I > shouldn't think. It just bugs the S___ out of me that the lights don't > show anything is happening. I like to see when something is actually > doing something. You can find out the module name with the command lsmod | less in a terminal and search for the name that is related to your wifi card. Nils From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 08:01:32 2007 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:01:32 +1000 Subject: Dial up difficulties on 7.04 64bit In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340709162227v26561d22j64b98d28e8bf6e2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340709150441n4c71fe50y15824f3acc113710@mail.gmail.com> <46EBEF9D.4000808@netplc.com> <8f6eb7340709160153j5d2bae6dt1d313a1fecf8bd72@mail.gmail.com> <46ED4D9E.6010604@netplc.com> <8f6eb7340709162227v26561d22j64b98d28e8bf6e2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340709230101q1c78455am2a4edf4738248613@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jordi, On 9/17/07, Robert Parker wrote: > Hi Jordi, > > On 9/17/07, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > > > > Ok Robert, > > > > There are two things regarding this: > > 1) Check > > $ cat /etc/resolv.conf No problem. > > > 2) What about the routes? > > $ route print Before starting KPPP there is no route, once started there is a route to ppp0 and it shows the name of the isp. In spite of this I was still unable to connect using Konqueror. At that point I got fed up with it and downloaded and burnt (using another computer of course) the weekly snapshot of Debian Lenny. So I trashed the Kubuntu system in favour of Debian. My first action following that was to launch the Updater. During update download I could not connect a browser. Notably at times the download speed went as low as 2kbyte/sec. When I stopped the update download I was able to browse. It's not impossible that the original problem was simply a browser timeout due to low connection speed. The Debian system is working now so there it stays. Thanks for your input. Regards, Bob Parker From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 09:47:51 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:47:51 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: <200709202341.39867.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709202341.39867.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote the following on 20.09.2007 23:41 <<-snip->> > I checked the page and the only parameter I can find that is referenced > in "man pppd" is "lcp-echo-interval" (along with the other lcp_ ones). > But "keepalive" does not seem to be part of pppd, nor is "connect_poll" so I > am not sure where to put them at all. /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider <<-snip->> -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 11:12:11 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:11 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709202341.39867.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > But "keepalive" does not seem to be part of pppd, nor is "connect_poll" > > so I am not sure where to put them at all. > > /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider Yeah - I put it in there and pppd complained that it did not know what it was. I checked the man page and 'keepalive' is not mentioned. d/ From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Sep 23 11:47:33 2007 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:47:33 -0400 Subject: user admin kubuntu Message-ID: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Hello: I installed kubuntu on my wife's dell 6000 inspiron laptop as follows: I went through the installation and entered my name for the first user account created and later created a user account under her name. So, my account is the sudo account. I found that her account cannot read but not write to the r/w cd/dvd device. I now also find that her account cannot access a Palm z22 device I purchased this weekend. The system does create /dev/ttyUSB1 but she does not have access. How can I sort this out? From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Sep 23 11:41:06 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:41:06 +0100 Subject: user admin kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200709231241.07022.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 23 Sep 2007, Jesus Arocho wrote: > Hello: > > I installed kubuntu on my wife's dell 6000 inspiron laptop as follows: I > went through the installation and entered my name for the first user > account created and later created a user account under her name. So, my > account is the sudo account. I found that her account cannot read but not > write to the r/w cd/dvd device. I now also find that her account cannot > access a Palm z22 device I purchased this weekend. The system does create > /dev/ttyUSB1 but she does not have access. How can I sort this out? You don't say which version of Kubuntu you're using. Is it Dapper, Feisty or what? When I tried Dapper, I found that these resources were disabled by default to normal users. Feisty seemed to enable them by default for me. Anyway, I'd say to check your wife's group memberships in the User Management section of the System Settings application. As I recall, adding membership of the cdrom and plugdev groups enabled use of the CD drive and USB memory devices. Same with the scanner group. If you look in /dev you might find these groups in the properties of the devices. Does this help? Dave Fletcher -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 11:49:31 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:49:31 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709202341.39867.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote the following on 23.09.2007 13:12 >>> But "keepalive" does not seem to be part of pppd, nor is "connect_poll" >>> so I am not sure where to put them at all. >> /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider > Yeah - I put it in there and pppd complained that it did not know what it was. > I checked the man page and 'keepalive' is not mentioned. > > d/ seems to be a little misunderstanding. sorry for being mistakable. probably i should have quoted as: > I checked the page and the only parameter I can find that is referenced > in "man pppd" is "lcp-echo-interval" (along with the other lcp_ ones). <<-snip->> > i am not sure where to put them at all. so that it would have been more clear. lcp* defently belongs to /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 12:03:06 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:03:06 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709202341.39867.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote the following on 23.09.2007 13:12 >>> But "keepalive" does not seem to be part of pppd, nor is "connect_poll" >>> so I am not sure where to put them at all. >> /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider > Yeah - I put it in there and pppd complained that it did not know what it was. > I checked the man page and 'keepalive' is not mentioned. > > d/ > Have you tried: persist Do not exit after a connection is terminated; instead try to reopen the connection. The maxfail option still has an effect on persistent connections. ? Do you have set: idle n Specifies that pppd should disconnect if the link is idle for n seconds. The link is idle when no data packets (i.e. IP pack- ets) are being sent or received. Note: it is not advisable to use this option with the persist option without the demand option. If the active-filter option is given, data packets which are rejected by the specified activity filter also count as the link being idle. ? -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 12:10:15 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:10:15 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709231410.15381.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > so that it would have been more clear. lcp* defently belongs to > /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider Ah, thanks. I tried those LCP options and there is no appreciable difference. Another odd thing, while you are here: After a few hours pppd cannot connect via pppoe anymore. It does not matter what I do: restart networking, pull cables, rmmod pppoe, killall pppd - whatever I do, I get "PPPOE protocol not available" (from memory, I didn't make a note). I have to *shudder* restart ... Linux! ... the shame. After that the pppoe connects again just fine. This added to the "grinding halt" is making Kubuntu hell again. As if VPN wasn't bad enough. Perhaps I should just jump to the latest version and leave Dapper behind. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 12:13:55 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:13:55 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > persist > Do not exit after a connection is terminated; instead try to > reopen the connection. The maxfail option still has an effect on > persistent connections. Yup. I have tried this one too. I like the other options you mention, perhaps that idle one will force a disconnect and then the persist will try bring it up again? Anything has to be better than the bash script I have running at the moment: I ping google, upon and error result I murder the ppp0 connection, start it again, repeat. ;) I just find the man page for pppd so confusing - I am so not a network fundi, heck I'm not even on the path to first principles. Thx for the gen so far. I'll go look up the idle, demand and active-filter options. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 12:20:08 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:20:08 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709231420.08128.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Given the OP, here are two sections from the pppd man page. Can anyone help me grok them? demand Initiate the link only on demand, i.e. when data traffic is present. With this option, the remote IP address must be specified by the user on the command line or in an options file. Pppd will initially configure the interface and enable it for IP traffic without connecting to the peer. When traffic is available, pppd will connect to the peer and perform negotiation, authentication, etc. When this is completed, pppd will commence passing data packets (i.e., IP packets) across the link. The demand option implies the persist option. If this behaviour is not desired, use the nopersist option after the demand option. The idle and holdoff options are also useful in conjunction with the demand option. idle n Specifies that pppd should disconnect if the link is idle for n seconds. The link is idle when no data packets (i.e. IP packets) are being sent or received. Note: it is not advisable to use this option with the persist option without the demand option. If the active-filter option is given, data packets which are rejected by the specified activity filter also count as the link being idle. It sounds like I need persist (to reconnect). Then I need idle (to force the link down, so that it can reconnect) - but I can't figure that demand option out. For a start I don't know the remote IP (it gets found by pppoe magic). /d From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 12:56:42 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:56:42 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote the following on 23.09.2007 14:13 >> persist >> Do not exit after a connection is terminated; instead try to >> reopen the connection. The maxfail option still has an effect on >> persistent connections. > > Yup. I have tried this one too. I like the other options you mention, perhaps > that idle one will force a disconnect and then the persist will try bring it > up again? No i don´t think so (haven´t used idle myself since i always had a flat rate). If idle would have been set it would explain this error, that´s why i asked. <<-snip->> > /d I have used pppoe several years and it has been very reliable for me. So i suppose there are other problems in your setup (ISP). When you get disconnected, what´s the status of the DSL-Modem? (Usually it has some LEDs to show it´s status - it´s manual should explain them) ...and please post your /etc/network/interfaces. -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 13:10:54 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn Ingle) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:10:54 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > No i don´t think so (haven´t used idle myself since i always had a flat rate). > If idle would have been set it would explain this error, that´s why i asked. Oh. Bugger. I was on a roll :) > I have used pppoe several years and it has been very reliable for me. > So i suppose there are other problems in your setup (ISP). VERY likely - my ISP is a nice chap, but his network has been hell on Kubuntu. Works fine for Windows machines. He is using Fedora behind the scenes, so I don't know what is making it so hostile to Kubuntu. I contend that Windows is doing "stuff" to make the network connections just about fail-safe that Linux is *not* doing, being more inclined to let users set it up as they wish. The problem is that Windows just connects - no mess, no fuss. On Kubuntu I have had months of hassles with VPN and now the switch to PPPOE - both really suck. > When you get disconnected, what´s the status of the DSL-Modem? > (Usually it has some LEDs to show it´s status - it´s manual should explain them) I have no idea - the router is on the roof, connecting wirelessly to a base station far away. > ...and please post your /etc/network/interfaces. ------------ auto lo iface lo inet loopback address 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 #eth0 or 3 is the BOTTOM slot -- to the hub (local network) auto eth3 iface eth3 inet static address 172.16.200.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 #eth2 is the TOP SLOT -- in from the router/aerial iface eth2 inet dhcp auto dsl-provider iface dsl-provider inet ppp provider dsl-provider pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth2 up # line maintained by pppoeconf #iface eth2 inet static #address 192.168.1.56 #netmask 255.255.255.0 auto eth2 ----------------- I flip eth2 between static and DHCP (both seem to work) when I am at the cliff-face and it's all I can think to do before restarting Kubuntu to get pppoe back up. \d From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 13:53:26 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:53:26 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn Ingle wrote the following on 23.09.2007 15:10 <<-snip->> > > When you get disconnected, what´s the status of the DSL-Modem? >> (Usually it has some LEDs to show it´s status - it´s manual should explain them) > I have no idea - the router is on the roof, connecting wirelessly to a > base station far away. now you have to explain that. either you have a wlan router in your roof that´s connected to your ISP and your computer does 'usually' dhcp (via wireless) or that´s some kind of an technic i haven´t heard of until now. When you connect to that 'router' via 'normal' wireless (dhcp) then you shouldn´t configure pppoe on your computer. <<-snip custom /e/n/i->> I have used the following pppoe settings (translated to your setup) for years: <-------------------------------------- # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto dsl-provider iface dsl-provider inet ppp provider dsl-provider # added by pppoeconf auto eth2 iface eth2 inet manual --------------------------------------> -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 23 13:39:13 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:39:13 -0300 Subject: wifi References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709220807.33951.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <2t6is4-18k.ln1@pointerstop.ca> David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 21 September 2007 9:55:17 pm Billie Walsh wrote: >> First of probably many questions >> >> I have a Belkin wifi card, model F5D7010. It has an Atheros chipset. >> According to Madwifi it is supposed to work. It is also listed with >> ndiswrapper. >> >> Which would be the better choice? I see madwifi listed in adept but not >> ndiswrapper. There is no package named ndiswrapper. It's part of ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 (or perhaps some other version of ndiswrapper-utils). >> >> Do I need kwifimanager? > > I would personally go with ndiswrapper. And I'd personally go with madwifi before ndiswrapper :-) However, some chipsets that have two options work better with one than another. Mine is supposed to be supported with the native acx driver, but works better for me with ndiswrapper. So it's worth trying both. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 14:09:32 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn Ingle) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:09:32 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I have no idea - the router is on the roof, connecting wirelessly to a > > base station far away. > now you have to explain that. Heh :) >From my pov it's a white box on my roof with an ethernet cable coming down the wall and inside, into my eth2 port. I don't know what goes on inside that box. It connects to the ISP's network wirelessly in ways too arcane and voodoo for my simple mind to comprehend. > either you have a wlan router in your roof that´s connected to your ISP and > your computer does 'usually' dhcp That's it. I was given a static IP by chance when the ISP was here hacking it into shape. I use it when pppoe stops working, as I say, merely as a desperate attempt at "resetting" the networking on Kubuntu then pppoe goes *really* belly-up and starts giving me "pppoe no available protocol" (or something like that) messages. It has not worked. I still end up rebooting Kubuntu. This is a different problem to the grinding-halt one. I posted about it a bit earlier, but gmail messages are sometimes not being sent from kmail through the pop for some reason. (Unrelated to the mailing list "invisible OP" issues.) > I have used the following pppoe settings (translated to your setup) for years: > iface eth2 inet manual This is different from mine. Is 'manual' the same as 'static' ? \d From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 14:23:24 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:23:24 +0200 Subject: user admin kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jesus Arocho wrote the following on 23.09.2007 13:47 > Hello: > > I installed kubuntu on my wife's dell 6000 inspiron laptop as follows: I went > through the installation and entered my name for the first user account > created and later created a user account under her name. So, my account is > the sudo account. I found that her account cannot read but not write to the > r/w cd/dvd device. I now also find that her account cannot access a Palm z22 > device I purchased this weekend. The system does create /dev/ttyUSB1 but she > does not have access. How can I sort this out? > $ groups adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin That´s my first user You should add your wifes user to all groups your first is in with e.g: $ sudo usermod -G plugdev,floppy,audio,cdrom,dialout WIFES_USER_NAME -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 14:37:44 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:37:44 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn Ingle wrote the following on 23.09.2007 16:09 >>> I have no idea - the router is on the roof, connecting wirelessly to a >>> base station far away. >> now you have to explain that. > Heh :) > From my pov it's a white box on my roof with an ethernet cable coming > down the wall and inside, into my eth2 port. I don't know what goes on > inside that box. It connects to the ISP's network wirelessly in ways > too arcane and voodoo for my simple mind to comprehend. > >> either you have a wlan router in your roof that´s connected to your ISP and >> your computer does 'usually' dhcp > That's it. I was given a static IP by chance when the ISP was here > hacking it into shape. I use it when pppoe stops working, as I say, > merely as a desperate attempt at "resetting" the networking on Kubuntu > then pppoe goes *really* belly-up and starts giving me "pppoe no > available protocol" (or something like that) messages. It has not > worked. I still end up rebooting Kubuntu. > This is a different problem to the grinding-halt one. I posted about > it a bit earlier, but gmail messages are sometimes not being sent from > kmail through the pop for some reason. (Unrelated to the mailing list > "invisible OP" issues.) > >> I have used the following pppoe settings (translated to your setup) for years: >> iface eth2 inet manual > This is different from mine. Is 'manual' the same as 'static' ? > > \d > I really wonder how you could get online all the time. !? pppoe = Point-to-Point over Ethernet Which means this communication must be 'terminated' somewhere *usually* (which means it doesn´t apply to you ;-) ) one point is the BRAS and the other the end customer equipment. This 'end customer equipmen' can *EITHER* be a router doing pppoe externaly (WAN) and dhcp internal (LAN) or *WITHOUT* these kind of router a computer with pppoe configured. In the first case you do not have to have anything special configured in your computer (given dhcp is allways preconfigured) in the latter case you do not configure your WAN interface with both (dhcp AND pppoe). It is not possible to mix these two! So please before (being even able) to proced with debugging provide a bit more detailed information about your topology being used. -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 14:55:55 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:55:55 -0500 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F602BB.4070105@stdin.me.uk> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <2759cf860709211940p79f811dep23e56c3f287116df@mail.gmail.com> <46F48A33.7090905@swbell.net> <46F4A214.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <46F50A81.6040100@swbell.net> <46F602BB.4070105@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <46F67E7B.3090103@swbell.net> On 09/23/2007 Terence Simpson wrote: > Try using "open" instead of "shared" mose APs will use open > authentication. > > Terence Our network is set to use "shared". -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:02:32 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn Ingle) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:02:32 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > It is not possible to mix these two! Oh. I didn't know. > So please before (being even able) to proced with debugging provide a bit > more detailed information about your topology being used. Well, I did really. It's like this: "ISP" <--wireless--> Box (on my roof) <---ethernet cable ---> eth2 (Kubuntu) (And I have an internal network from eth3, but that's not part of the picture.) Usually I get an IP address on eth2 from the ISP. It may be coming from the box on the roof, I just don't know. Only sometimes do I use the static IP for eth2 - as described earlier. To do that, I edit the interfaces file and restart eth2. To begin with, I did a pppoeconf and went thru the steps. It discovered eth2 had the "access concentrator" and now I use 'pon dsl-provider' to connect. Works fine until it grinds to a stop, or until pppoe just refuses to connect again when I pon. Sorry I can't be more explicit, this is just not my field. I am waiting for another provider to come rolling into town (hopefully before the end of the month, but I have waited 2 months already) and then I'll try them, perhaps these problems will simply melt away. Thx for the focus and help you have given so far Thilo. \d From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 23 14:39:19 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:39:19 -0300 Subject: user admin kubuntu References: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thilo Six wrote: > Jesus Arocho wrote the following on 23.09.2007 13:47 >> Hello: >> >> I installed kubuntu on my wife's dell 6000 inspiron laptop as follows: I >> went through the installation and entered my name for the first user >> account >> created and later created a user account under her name. So, my account >> is >> the sudo account. I found that her account cannot read but not write to >> the >> r/w cd/dvd device. I now also find that her account cannot access a Palm >> z22 >> device I purchased this weekend. The system does create /dev/ttyUSB1 but >> she >> does not have access. How can I sort this out? >> > $ groups > adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin > powerdev admin > > That´s my first user > > > You should add your wifes user to all groups your first is in with e.g: > > $ sudo usermod -G plugdev,floppy,audio,cdrom,dialout WIFES_USER_NAME > Well, perhaps not "admin". I wouldn't trust my wife with that :-) -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 15:16:55 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:16:55 -0500 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709220816.57706.kassube@gmx.net> <46F5951E.5040306@swbell.net> <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> On 09/23/2007 Nils Kassube wrote: > You can find out the module name with the command > > lsmod | less > > in a terminal and search for the name that is related to your wifi > card. > > > Nils output: > Module Size Used by > appletalk 38316 2 > ax25 56272 2 > ipx 30116 2 > p8023 3072 1 ipx > binfmt_misc 12680 1 > rfcomm 40856 0 > l2cap 25856 5 rfcomm > bluetooth 55908 4 rfcomm,l2cap > ppdev 10116 0 > speedstep_lib 6148 0 > cpufreq_stats 7360 0 > cpufreq_conservative 8200 0 > cpufreq_powersave 2688 0 > cpufreq_userspace 5408 0 > cpufreq_ondemand 9228 0 > freq_table 5792 2 cpufreq_stats,cpufreq_ondemand > pcc_acpi 13184 0 > sony_acpi 6284 0 > dev_acpi 12292 0 > tc1100_wmi 8068 0 > asus_acpi 17308 0 > sbs 15652 0 > : I don't know what I'm looking for, but I don't see anything that looks to me like the wifi card. The card is a Belkin/Atheros. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Sep 23 15:21:40 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:21:40 +0100 Subject: user admin kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200709230747.33730.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200709231621.40562.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 23 Sep 2007, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Well, perhaps not "admin". I wouldn't trust my wife with that :-) > -- > derek Do we have any wives here, who wouldn't trust their husbands with the admin password? Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Sep 23 15:48:56 2007 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:48:56 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231312.11700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn Ingle wrote the following on 23.09.2007 17:02 <<-snip->> > "ISP" <--wireless--> Box (on my roof) <---ethernet cable ---> eth2 (Kubuntu) ^^^ `- ethernet cable can transport Ethernet and/or Point-to-Point over Ethernet So which Protocol do we choose here? (from that answer everything else further depend) A clear statement would be better then a wild guess. If unsure maybe look up the exact 'router' Name with model number and post it here. <<-snip->> -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Sep 23 16:02:37 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:02:37 +0100 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 23 September 2007 16:16:55 Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/23/2007 Nils Kassube wrote: > > You can find out the module name with the command > > > > lsmod | less > > > > in a terminal and search for the name that is related to your wifi > > card. > > > > > > Nils > > output: > > Module Size Used by > > appletalk 38316 2 > > ax25 56272 2 > > ipx 30116 2 > > p8023 3072 1 ipx > > binfmt_misc 12680 1 > > rfcomm 40856 0 > > l2cap 25856 5 rfcomm > > bluetooth 55908 4 rfcomm,l2cap > > ppdev 10116 0 > > speedstep_lib 6148 0 > > cpufreq_stats 7360 0 > > cpufreq_conservative 8200 0 > > cpufreq_powersave 2688 0 > > cpufreq_userspace 5408 0 > > cpufreq_ondemand 9228 0 > > freq_table 5792 2 cpufreq_stats,cpufreq_ondemand > > pcc_acpi 13184 0 > > sony_acpi 6284 0 > > dev_acpi 12292 0 > > tc1100_wmi 8068 0 > > asus_acpi 17308 0 > > sbs 15652 0 > > I don't know what I'm looking for, but I don't see anything that looks > to me like the wifi card. The card is a Belkin/Atheros. I think you need to press space to see the next pages from the lsmod command. Piping it through less means show a page at a time. BTW my card uses rt61. From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Sun Sep 23 16:41:08 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:41:08 +0200 Subject: Upgrading my motherboard & processor Message-ID: <200709231841.11543.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Hi there! I'd like to upgrade my motherboard & processor. Actually I have an old AMD K7 800MHz on some simple motherboard (don't know the specs of it...) and I'd like to order an AMD Athlon64 x2 3800+ (2x 2000 MHz) w/2x 512 KB Cache and an ASROCK AM2NF3-VSTA Mainboard SO.AM2 (that's what the catalogue says...). It has an nVidia nForce3 250 Chipset with onboard LAN and onboard sound. Is there anybody out there with some experience of this material and Kubuntu 7.04? What do I have to do in order to emigrate safely ? Thansk for any advice! Laurent Asorne -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 23 16:44:09 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:44:09 +0200 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709231844.09550.kassube@gmx.net> Mark Fraser wrote: > I think you need to press space to see the next pages from the lsmod > command. Piping it through less means show a page at a time. BTW my > card uses rt61. Hmm, not exactly. Either return for 1 line at a time or up / down arrows or pgup / pgdwn and q to quit. Sorry, I didn't explain it in my previous mail. Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 16:49:32 2007 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn Ingle) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:49:32 +0200 Subject: pppoe grinds to a halt In-Reply-To: References: <200709231413.55615.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > So which Protocol do we choose here? > (from that answer everything else further depend) > A clear statement would be better then a wild guess. I just don't know. I'll ask the ISP but it could take a while. > If unsure maybe look up the exact 'router' Name with model number and post it > here. Same here - will have to ask. \d From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 17:54:04 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:54:04 -0500 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <46F6A83C.3060209@swbell.net> Geez!!! Sometimes I can be SO stupid. Ya gotta run that "lsmod" on the laptop STUPID!!! DUH!!! From the laptop I get, snipped for brevity to whatever I saw that contained anything to do with "wlan" +/-: sb 16652 0 12c_ec 6016 1 sbs lp 12452 0 wlan_wep 7936 1 wlan_scan_sta 14976 1 ath_rate_sample 14080 1 joydev 10816 0 ath_pci 97312 0 wlan 204868 5 wlan_wep, wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample, ath_pci ath_hal 192592 3 ath_rate_sample, ath_pci snd_maestro3 27012 1 snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_maestro3 I didn't see anything that looked like it dealt with network cards. It all looked pretty much like the one I had been scanning on the desktop. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 18:09:09 2007 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:09:09 -0400 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <46F6A83C.3060209@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <46F6A83C.3060209@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2759cf860709231109w241a0099h4aa2a95d61bb300f@mail.gmail.com> I think the wlan stuff listed here is related to the wep/wifi auth that you're running. If this were irc or somwething , you might need to worry about brevity, but in this case, it's probably best to just list the whole output. I don't think that the list that's being generated by lsmod is in any order - so any module could be next to any other module. -Jared On 9/23/07, Billie Walsh wrote: > Geez!!! Sometimes I can be SO stupid. > > Ya gotta run that "lsmod" on the laptop STUPID!!! > > DUH!!! > > From the laptop I get, snipped for brevity to whatever I saw that > contained anything to do with "wlan" +/-: > > sb 16652 0 > 12c_ec 6016 1 sbs > lp 12452 0 > wlan_wep 7936 1 > wlan_scan_sta 14976 1 > ath_rate_sample 14080 1 > joydev 10816 0 > ath_pci 97312 0 > wlan 204868 5 > wlan_wep, wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample, ath_pci > ath_hal 192592 3 ath_rate_sample, ath_pci > snd_maestro3 27012 1 > snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_maestro3 > > I didn't see anything that looked like it dealt with network cards. It > all looked pretty much like the one I had been scanning on the desktop. > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 19:10:32 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:10:32 -0500 Subject: wifi - lsmod list Message-ID: <46F6BA28.7030004@swbell.net> I had to get e-mail setup on the laptop. I wasn't about to try typing the whole listing. *<[:oD Module Size Used by fuse 46612 1 savage 34048 2 drm 81044 3 savage rfcomm 40856 0 l2cap 25856 5 rfcomm bluetooth 55908 4 rfcomm,l2cap ppdev 10116 0 ipv6 268960 8 speedstep_lib 6148 0 cpufreq_userspace 5408 0 cpufreq_powersave 2688 0 cpufreq_conservative 8200 0 cpufreq_ondemand 9228 0 cpufreq_stats 7360 0 freq_table 5792 2 cpufreq_ondemand,cpufreq_stats dev_acpi 12292 0 sony_acpi 6284 0 pcc_acpi 13184 0 tc1100_wmi 8068 0 dock 10268 0 video 16388 0 ac 6020 0 : button 8720 0 container 5248 0 asus_acpi 17308 0 backlight 7040 1 asus_acpi battery 10756 0 sbs 15652 0 i2c_ec 6016 1 sbs lp 12452 0 wlan_wep 7936 1 wlan_scan_sta 14976 1 ath_rate_sample 14080 1 joydev 10816 0 ath_pci 97312 0 wlan 204868 5 wlan_wep,wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample,ath_pci ath_hal 192592 3 ath_rate_sample,ath_pci snd_maestro3 27012 1 snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_maestro3 ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss 44544 0 snd_mixer_oss 17408 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 79876 3 snd_maestro3,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 10888 1 snd_pcm snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 : snd_seq_oss 32896 0 pcmcia 39212 0 snd_seq_midi 9600 0 snd_rawmidi 25472 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 8448 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi pcspkr 4224 0 snd_seq 52592 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_m idi_event parport_pc 36388 1 snd_timer 23684 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 9100 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmi di,snd_seq parport 36936 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc serio_raw 7940 0 psmouse 38920 0 i2c_piix4 9740 0 i2c_core 22656 2 i2c_ec,i2c_piix4 snd 54020 12 snd_maestro3,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mix er_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore 8672 1 snd intel_agp 26140 1 agpgart 35400 2 drm,intel_agp yenta_socket 27532 3 : rsrc_nonstatic 14080 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core 40852 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic shpchp 34324 0 pci_hotplug 32576 1 shpchp af_packet 23816 6 evdev 11008 4 tsdev 8768 0 ext3 133128 1 jbd 59816 1 ext3 mbcache 9604 1 ext3 ide_cd 32672 0 cdrom 37664 1 ide_cd ide_disk 17024 3 generic 5124 0 [permanent] floppy 59524 0 uhci_hcd 25360 0 usbcore 134280 2 uhci_hcd e100 36232 0 mii 6528 1 e100 piix 10756 0 [permanent] ata_generic 9092 0 libata 125720 1 ata_generic scsi_mod 142348 1 libata : cdrom 37664 1 ide_cd ide_disk 17024 3 generic 5124 0 [permanent] floppy 59524 0 uhci_hcd 25360 0 usbcore 134280 2 uhci_hcd e100 36232 0 mii 6528 1 e100 piix 10756 0 [permanent] ata_generic 9092 0 libata 125720 1 ata_generic scsi_mod 142348 1 libata thermal 14856 0 processor 31048 1 thermal fan 5636 0 fbcon 42656 0 tileblit 3584 1 fbcon font 9216 1 fbcon bitblit 6912 1 fbcon softcursor 3200 1 bitblit vesafb 9220 0 capability 5896 0 commoncap 8192 1 capability (END) From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 23 21:10:47 2007 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:10:47 +0200 Subject: wifi - lsmod list In-Reply-To: <46F6BA28.7030004@swbell.net> References: <46F6BA28.7030004@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709232310.47507.kassube@gmx.net> Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Module Size Used by > ath_pci 97312 0 OK, this is the one for your wifi card. However, from modinfo ath_pci it seems there is no parameter to enable / disable the LED. Nils From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 21:48:15 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:48:15 -0500 Subject: wifi - lsmod list In-Reply-To: <200709232310.47507.kassube@gmx.net> References: <46F6BA28.7030004@swbell.net> <200709232310.47507.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F6DF1F.3080008@swbell.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >> Module Size Used by >> ath_pci 97312 0 > > OK, this is the one for your wifi card. However, from > > modinfo ath_pci > > it seems there is no parameter to enable / disable the LED. > > > Nils > Hmmmm. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 23 23:14:22 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:14:22 -0500 Subject: wifi - lsmod list In-Reply-To: <200709232310.47507.kassube@gmx.net> References: <46F6BA28.7030004@swbell.net> <200709232310.47507.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46F6F34E.6070703@swbell.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >> Module Size Used by >> ath_pci 97312 0 > > OK, this is the one for your wifi card. However, from > > modinfo ath_pci > > it seems there is no parameter to enable / disable the LED. > > > Nils > It appears that the wireless card uses madwifi 0.9.3.1 as a driver for the card. Some digging on the madwifi site finds a way, supposedly, to get the lights to work. I may give it a try one day. Right now it's a bit above my skill level. Thanks for all the kind help with this. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 02:12:07 2007 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:12:07 -0500 Subject: wifi In-Reply-To: <46F5CB63.2020707@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709221941.05483.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <46F5CB63.2020707@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200709232112.07889.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 22 September 2007 09:11:47 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/22/2007 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > What kind of Encryption (if any) is you WAP using? > > Not WAP. Just WEP. Something, something, hex. > > -- > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! Sorry about the long delay. WAP = Wireless Access Point Since I hear your WAP is now accessible, you're good to go. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Sep 24 12:19:07 2007 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:19:07 +0100 Subject: wifi - working In-Reply-To: <46F6A83C.3060209@swbell.net> References: <46F47605.1010109@swbell.net> <200709230819.16819.kassube@gmx.net> <46F68367.5010305@swbell.net> <200709231702.37884.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <46F6A83C.3060209@swbell.net> Message-ID: <46F7AB3B.9040202@stdin.me.uk> Billie Walsh wrote: > Geez!!! Sometimes I can be SO stupid. > > Ya gotta run that "lsmod" on the laptop STUPID!!! > > DUH!!! > > From the laptop I get, snipped for brevity to whatever I saw that > contained anything to do with "wlan" +/-: > > sb 16652 0 > 12c_ec 6016 1 sbs > lp 12452 0 > wlan_wep 7936 1 > wlan_scan_sta 14976 1 > ath_rate_sample 14080 1 > joydev 10816 0 > ath_pci 97312 0 > wlan 204868 5 > wlan_wep, wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample, ath_pci > ath_hal 192592 3 ath_rate_sample, ath_pci > snd_maestro3 27012 1 > snd_ac97_codec 98464 1 snd_maestro3 > > I didn't see anything that looked like it dealt with network cards. It > all looked pretty much like the one I had been scanning on the desktop. > > Those "ath_*" modules are the Atheros (madwifi) modules, those are the drivers for your network card. The wlan* modules are also part of the madwifi group of modules, they control/switch on parts of the hardware to enable built-in encryption and such. But the important part is, the ath_* modules are the ones you're interested in here. From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 14:35:19 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:35:19 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu or Ubuntu Message-ID: <200709241035.19294.cms0009@gmail.com> there seems to be more rss news feeds on ubuntu getting more and more new features, than kubuntu (kde) is there any upto date links, that show the new features kubuntu (7.10) and kde4 will have ? -Richard From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 24 14:37:24 2007 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:37:24 -0400 Subject: [gutsy] hotkey-setup config fails Message-ID: <200709241037.36511.art.alexion@verizon.net> For the past week I have been having a problem with upgrades. Most things update properly, but I am getting the following errors: Errors were encountered while processing: hotkey-setup kubuntu-desktop E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up hotkey-setup (0.1-17ubuntu19) ... KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 8a to keycode 205 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 87 to keycode 236 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 8b to keycode 227 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 89 to keycode 161 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 85 to keycode 224 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 86 to keycode 225 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 92 to keycode 226 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 81 to keycode 164 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 82 to keycode 128 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 83 to keycode 165 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 84 to keycode 163 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode a2 to keycode 164 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 90 to keycode 165 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode 99 to keycode 163 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode a4 to keycode 166 KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument failed to set scancode ed to keycode 226 invoke-rc.d: initscript hotkey-setup, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing hotkey-setup (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Am I the only one having this problem or is there an issue with the recent hotkey-setup upgrade? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <46F867B4.6030405@gmail.com> References: <46F867B4.6030405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <626fc97e0709241914t45f8e5bcj1ecd0247dd2a641@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, what's the problem? What is just not right? I don't get the point... In case you just wanted to share some feelings, maybe it's time to start your own blog! 2007/9/25, Stew Schneider : > > I went by one of the churches I maintain and checked on the server. It > struck me that the thing had been running for months, and, although I > drop by to see if from time to time, I never have to actually do > anything with it. The files get served to the Windows machines that rely > on it, the security of confidential files is maintained, the backups get > done, all without me worrying my pretty little head about it. > > It's just not right, I tell you... > > stew > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 04:15:30 2007 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:15:30 -0700 Subject: No problem, Mon... In-Reply-To: <626fc97e0709241914t45f8e5bcj1ecd0247dd2a641@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F867B4.6030405@gmail.com> <626fc97e0709241914t45f8e5bcj1ecd0247dd2a641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, fransex gmail wrote: > Sorry, what's the problem? What is just not right? I don't get the point... > > In case you just wanted to share some feelings, maybe it's time to start > your own blog! He's just mad because Windows can't run for a month straight to save Ballmer's stock options, but the little Linux box that could does 10x more than a windows box can and does it flawlessly for a month. It's what we in the business call irony. :) -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 If You Know What's Good For You, You'll Install Linux John 3:16! From "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com Tue Sep 25 07:22:27 2007 From: "aec$news" at candt.waitrose.com (ac) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:22:27 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu or Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200709241035.19294.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709241035.19294.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick wrote: > there seems to be more rss news feeds on ubuntu getting more and more new > features, than kubuntu (kde) is there any upto date links, that show the new > features kubuntu (7.10) and kde4 will have ? try http://www.kubuntu.org/ maybe -- ac From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 25 10:14:28 2007 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:14:28 -0500 Subject: No problem, Mon... In-Reply-To: <626fc97e0709241914t45f8e5bcj1ecd0247dd2a641@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F867B4.6030405@gmail.com> <626fc97e0709241914t45f8e5bcj1ecd0247dd2a641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F8DF84.1070801@swbell.net> On 09/24/2007 fransex gmail wrote: > Sorry, what's the problem? What is just not right? I don't get the > point... > > In case you just wanted to share some feelings, maybe it's time to > start your own blog! IMHO It was rather more tongue-in-cheek. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 12:57:08 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:57:08 +0200 Subject: Setting LANGUAGE parameters Message-ID: <880dece00709250557j6903f5c1yc51719f7aca883b2@mail.gmail.com> Where does one store language parameters that programs (specifically wine) use? I have been putting "export LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8" in ~/.bashrc, but now I know that only Konsole uses this file. What file do other programs use? I do have the proper settings in Kcontrol, but wine does not use the KDE config files. Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From karlok at fastmail.fm Tue Sep 25 14:43:20 2007 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:43:20 -0700 Subject: Setting LANGUAGE parameters In-Reply-To: <880dece00709250557j6903f5c1yc51719f7aca883b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709250557j6903f5c1yc51719f7aca883b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F91E88.6040700@fastmail.fm> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Where does one store language parameters that programs (specifically > wine) use? I have been putting "export LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8" in > ~/.bashrc, but now I know that only Konsole uses this file. What file > do other programs use? I do have the proper settings in Kcontrol, but > wine does not use the KDE config files. > > Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen I think what you are looking for is /etc/environment. This is what is in mine: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games" LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_DK.utf8" Karl From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 15:27:24 2007 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:27:24 +0200 Subject: Setting LANGUAGE parameters In-Reply-To: <46F91E88.6040700@fastmail.fm> References: <880dece00709250557j6903f5c1yc51719f7aca883b2@mail.gmail.com> <46F91E88.6040700@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <880dece00709250827k39a28acbvf1a9f5ed694b3e7f@mail.gmail.com> On 25/09/2007, Karl wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Where does one store language parameters that programs (specifically > > wine) use? I have been putting "export LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8" in > > ~/.bashrc, but now I know that only Konsole uses this file. What file > > do other programs use? I do have the proper settings in Kcontrol, but > > wine does not use the KDE config files. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > I think what you are looking for is /etc/environment. This is what is in > mine: > > PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games" > LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="en_DK.utf8" > > Karl > Thanks, Karl, but what is the user's equivilent? I don't want to change it system-wide. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From karlok at fastmail.fm Tue Sep 25 18:05:27 2007 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:05:27 -0700 Subject: Setting LANGUAGE parameters In-Reply-To: <880dece00709250827k39a28acbvf1a9f5ed694b3e7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00709250557j6903f5c1yc51719f7aca883b2@mail.gmail.com> <46F91E88.6040700@fastmail.fm> <880dece00709250827k39a28acbvf1a9f5ed694b3e7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F94DE7.5070204@fastmail.fm> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 25/09/2007, Karl wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Where does one store language parameters that programs (specifically >>> wine) use? I have been putting "export LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8" in >>> ~/.bashrc, but now I know that only Konsole uses this file. What file >>> do other programs use? I do have the proper settings in Kcontrol, but >>> wine does not use the KDE config files. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >> I think what you are looking for is /etc/environment. This is what is in >> mine: >> >> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games" >> LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" >> LC_TIME="en_DK.utf8" >> >> Karl >> > > Thanks, Karl, but what is the user's equivilent? I don't want to > change it system-wide. > From the bash man page: When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable. The --noprofile option may be used when the shell is started to inhibit this behavior. When a login shell exits, bash reads and executes commands from the file ~/.bash_logout, if it exists. When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if these files exist. This may be inhibited by using the --norc option. The --rcfile file option will force bash to read and execute commands from file instead of /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc. So my guess would be that ~/.bash_profile should do the trick. Karl From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Tue Sep 25 20:31:16 2007 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:31:16 +0100 Subject: Ripping Message-ID: <200709252131.16501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Does anybody else have a copy of "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield? Inserting it into the CD drive and running grip with freedb configured as the DB server, is there a crazy result for the CD title and track name? All other CDs I've ripped get this information correct. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Tue Sep 25 22:18:20 2007 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:18:20 -0700 Subject: Setting LANGUAGE parameters References: <880dece00709250557j6903f5c1yc51719f7aca883b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87d4w6xuc3.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Dotan Cohen" writes: > Where does one store language parameters that programs (specifically > wine) use? I have been putting "export LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8" in > ~/.bashrc, but now I know that only Konsole uses this file. What file > do other programs use? I do have the proper settings in Kcontrol, but > wine does not use the KDE config files. You can create a script to export this variable and store the script in ~/.kde/Autostart Whatever is in here is called whenever KDE is started I *think* you can create a file called ~/.xinitrc. This gets called whenever X starts -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 00:55:35 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:55:35 -0400 Subject: Server v. desktop Message-ID: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> In answer to my tongue-in-cheek remark on the stability of Dapper, one of the readers misunderstood, and tried to help, thinking I was experiencing a problem. I wasn't, but was gratified for the offer of help. In the course of our discussion, though, he suggested switching the ever-so-reliable server to the server edition. (It's now Dapper Kubuntu) This server by no means gets enough traffic to worry about, but it did make me think about the server editions. How different are they than the desktop editions? stew From bootgr at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 01:56:43 2007 From: bootgr at gmail.com (Greg Booth) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:56:43 -0500 Subject: Server v. desktop In-Reply-To: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> References: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <720b310e0709251856leb2fefcs590eb8a1764fc936@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Stew Schneider wrote: > In answer to my tongue-in-cheek remark on the stability of Dapper, one > of the readers misunderstood, and tried to help, thinking I was > experiencing a problem. I wasn't, but was gratified for the offer of > help. In the course of our discussion, though, he suggested switching > the ever-so-reliable server to the server edition. (It's now Dapper Kubuntu) > > This server by no means gets enough traffic to worry about, but it did > make me think about the server editions. How different are they than the > desktop editions? > > stew > Well, there's no X Server... it installs basic networking and apache, mail and something else ? Mod Perl ?? I know they call it LAMP, but forget what they stand for now. Not to say you couldn't do that and slap kde desktop on top of it. G From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 26 02:02:21 2007 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:02:21 +0100 Subject: Server v. desktop In-Reply-To: <720b310e0709251856leb2fefcs590eb8a1764fc936@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> <720b310e0709251856leb2fefcs590eb8a1764fc936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F9BDAD.3090601@tiscali.co.uk> Greg Booth wrote: > Well, there's no X Server... it installs basic networking and apache, > mail and something else ? Mod Perl ?? I know they call it LAMP, but > forget what they stand for now. > > Not to say you couldn't do that and slap kde desktop on top of it. > > G > > "Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl" -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From macariov at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 02:26:07 2007 From: macariov at gmail.com (Macario Valle) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:26:07 -0400 Subject: Server v. desktop In-Reply-To: <46F9BDAD.3090601@tiscali.co.uk> References: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> <720b310e0709251856leb2fefcs590eb8a1764fc936@mail.gmail.com> <46F9BDAD.3090601@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1190773567.9847.29.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> As i understood, might not be right, the kernel and headers are compiled a little bit tighter, and with no support for a lot of desktop hardware. This would translate on better performance, but then, I might be wrong. I would never put X on a server as it is too resource hungry and would slow down the other services. Managing lamp can be done through a web interface for the most part anyways. I ussually use ssh and a web gui combination. On the other hand if the outfit does not need that much on the ways of resources, I would just take out the X server after making sure there is web and ssh managing capabilities, and forget about changing to the server kernel, as that could just go wrong in so many ways, and means a down time your client might no be willing to allow. I must mention that I have done this setup only with Red Hat. On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 03:02 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Greg Booth wrote: > > Well, there's no X Server... it installs basic networking and apache, > > mail and something else ? Mod Perl ?? I know they call it LAMP, but > > forget what they stand for now. > > > > Not to say you couldn't do that and slap kde desktop on top of it. > > > > G > > > > > "Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl" > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 03:30:22 2007 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:30:22 -0400 Subject: Server v. desktop In-Reply-To: <1190773567.9847.29.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> References: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> <720b310e0709251856leb2fefcs590eb8a1764fc936@mail.gmail.com> <46F9BDAD.3090601@tiscali.co.uk> <1190773567.9847.29.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <46F9D24E.5020609@gmail.com> Thanks to all for the quick run-up on the differences. This server is already faster than the Windows boxes it is serving files to (which, at the end of the day, isn't all that difficult to do), but the load is so small (4-5 Windows boxes, most of which don't run simultaneously) that I won't monkey with it. Ain't broke, etc., but I am grateful to have some idea of the difference. stew From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 06:32:57 2007 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:32:57 +0200 Subject: Server v. desktop In-Reply-To: <46F9D24E.5020609@gmail.com> References: <46F9AE07.6070405@gmail.com> <720b310e0709251856leb2fefcs590eb8a1764fc936@mail.gmail.com> <46F9BDAD.3090601@tiscali.co.uk> <1190773567.9847.29.camel@mvalle-desktop.carolina.rr.com> <46F9D24E.5020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F9FD19.8080608@gmail.com> Stew Schneider wrote: > Thanks to all for the quick run-up on the differences. This server is > already faster than the Windows boxes it is serving files to (which, at > the end of the day, isn't all that difficult to do), but the load is so > small (4-5 Windows boxes, most of which don't run simultaneously) that I > won't monkey with it. Ain't broke, etc., but I am grateful to have some > idea of the difference. you might be interested in dabbling with this concept: http://ebox-platform.com/ Sinclair From cms0009 at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 18:05:09 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:05:09 -0400 Subject: Kontact issues Message-ID: <200709261405.09850.cms0009@gmail.com> working in kontact, setting up a new contact, however, when trying to select the new contact, for sending a IM to him, the message tell me that NO-Instant Messaging available. Why is that ? since have kopete installed -TIA Richard From manchicken at notsosoft.net Wed Sep 26 18:35:21 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:35:21 -0500 Subject: Kontact issues In-Reply-To: <200709261405.09850.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709261405.09850.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709261335.21724.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Wednesday 26 September 2007 13:05:09 Rick wrote: > working in kontact, setting up a new contact, > however, when trying to select the new contact, for sending a IM > to him, the message tell me that NO-Instant Messaging available. > > Why is that ? > since have kopete installed > > > -TIA > Richard How exactly are you doing this? From manchicken at notsosoft.net Wed Sep 26 18:48:23 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:48:23 -0500 Subject: Kontact issues In-Reply-To: <200709261444.52429.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709261405.09850.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709261335.21724.manchicken@notsosoft.net> <200709261444.52429.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709261348.23305.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Wednesday 26 September 2007 13:44:52 Rick wrote: > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 2:35:21 pm you wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 13:05:09 Rick wrote: > > > working in kontact, setting up a new contact, > > > however, when trying to select the new contact, for sending a IM > > > to him, the message tell me that NO-Instant Messaging available. > > > > > > Why is that ? > > > since have kopete installed > > > > > > > > > -TIA > > > Richard > > > > How exactly are you doing this? > > have a client in kontact, that has a IM address, > when selecting his IM address, there is text saying NO instant messaging > app available. > > Richard I can't replicate this issue. I would recommend posting a bug on launchpad. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 27 03:03:37 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:03:37 -0400 Subject: Upgrading my motherboard & processor In-Reply-To: <200709231841.11543.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200709231841.11543.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <200709262303.37851.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 23 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > Hi there! I'd like to upgrade my motherboard & processor. Actually I have > an old AMD K7 800MHz on some simple motherboard (don't know the specs of > it...) and I'd like to order an AMD Athlon64 x2 3800+ (2x 2000 MHz) w/2x > 512 KB Cache and an ASROCK AM2NF3-VSTA Mainboard SO.AM2 (that's what the > catalogue says...). It has an nVidia nForce3 250 Chipset with onboard LAN > and onboard sound. Is there anybody out there with some experience of this > material and Kubuntu 7.04? What do I have to do in order to emigrate safely > ? Leaving out the physical hardware issues, and I'm not sure if you can perform that upgrade without also pulling in a new power supply, your biggest problem getting up and running is going to be the difference between whatever you use for video now, and what you're moving to. If you already use some kind of NVIDIA, you can probably just boot it and go. The kernel/startup scripts automatically adjust to whatever is in the box for the most part, so it's no different from moving your hard drive to a different computer. The big and immediate deal breaker is usually video, like you had ATI or i810 before, and now you have NVIDIA, and your X server will be busted until you fix it from the command line. -- D. Michael McIntyre From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Thu Sep 27 08:35:19 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:35:19 +0200 Subject: Upgrading my motherboard & processor In-Reply-To: <200709262303.37851.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709231841.11543.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709262303.37851.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709271035.20680.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Thursday 27 September 2007 05:03:37 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 23 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > Hi there! I'd like to upgrade my motherboard & processor. Actually I have > > an old AMD K7 800MHz on some simple motherboard (don't know the specs of > > it...) and I'd like to order an AMD Athlon64 x2 3800+ (2x 2000 MHz) w/2x > > 512 KB Cache and an ASROCK AM2NF3-VSTA Mainboard SO.AM2 (that's what the > > catalogue says...). It has an nVidia nForce3 250 Chipset with onboard LAN > > and onboard sound. Is there anybody out there with some experience of > > this material and Kubuntu 7.04? What do I have to do in order to emigrate > > safely ? > > Leaving out the physical hardware issues, and I'm not sure if you can > perform that upgrade without also pulling in a new power supply, your > biggest problem getting up and running is going to be the difference > between whatever you use for video now, and what you're moving to. If you > already use some kind of NVIDIA, you can probably just boot it and go. The > kernel/startup scripts automatically adjust to whatever is in the box for > the most part, so it's no different from moving your hard drive to a > different computer. The big and immediate deal breaker is usually video, > like you had ATI or i810 before, and now you have NVIDIA, and your X server > will be busted until you fix it from the command line. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre Actually, my video card is an Riva TNT2 (think it has nvidia Gforce2 chipset) running alright with the nv driver. So, I don't think there will be any difficulty from the video side, even if the chipset changes? Laurent Asorne -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Sep 27 09:55:27 2007 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:55:27 -0400 Subject: Upgrading my motherboard & processor In-Reply-To: <200709271035.20680.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> References: <200709231841.11543.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709262303.37851.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200709271035.20680.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Message-ID: <200709270555.27415.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 27 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > Actually, my video card is an Riva TNT2 (think it has nvidia Gforce2 > chipset) running alright with the nv driver. So, I don't think there will > be any difficulty from the video side, even if the chipset changes? Nope. It should boot right up then. Now working and taking full advantage of the new hardware, you'll have two more concerns. First, I'm not sure if stock K/Ubuntu kernels are compiled for SMP. I think they are, but I'm not sure. You may need to swap in a new kernel to take advantage of both processors, but this is fairly trivial. The other thing is if you want to switch to a 64-bit distro, it is, of course, a total distro changeover. Your existing 32-bit stuff will work fine, and whether you should even bother with a 64-bit distro is a subject for a debate I won't rehash here. It's been argued to death, even right here. -- D. Michael McIntyre From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Sep 27 12:00:20 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:00:20 +0100 Subject: Changes to Adept? Message-ID: <20070927130020.50e4cf49.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> I use kubuntu Edgy. Recently I installed kubuntu Feisty on a laptop for my brother. He seems to be enjoying learning about it, so perhaps another convert. So to my question - when he uses Adept to install a file he is always asked to put the installation DVD into the computer. I have never been asked to do that ever. So, has something changed between Edgy and Feisty? I have now given him the DVD so that he can get some more programs if he wants, but meanwhile I am wondering about this, hence the question. Thanks Neil Winchurst From philbieber at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 12:12:12 2007 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:12:12 +0200 Subject: Changes to Adept? In-Reply-To: <20070927130020.50e4cf49.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20070927130020.50e4cf49.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0709270512u29e81193naf58b1f3e3fee963@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I can't say why it changed, but I can tell you what chenged :) The CD-ROM is still in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, the ressource where apt / aptitude / adept get their list of repositories from. Open the file ( /etc/apt/wources.list) as root (e.g. in the "Run Command" window type: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list) and put a pund sign ( # ) in front of the first line where it says deb /cdrom or something similiar. That should get you rid of putting in the cd to install apps. Cheers Philipp Bieber -- Are there any experienced suicide bombers? You, you, and you: Panic. The rest of you, come with me. GPG KEY ID: 7C26EE5B0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 On 9/27/07, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Edgy. Recently I installed kubuntu Feisty on a laptop for > my brother. He seems to be enjoying learning about it, so perhaps > another convert. > > So to my question - when he uses Adept to install a file he is always > asked to put the installation DVD into the computer. I have never been > asked to do that ever. > > So, has something changed between Edgy and Feisty? I have now given him > the DVD so that he can get some more programs if he wants, but > meanwhile I am wondering about this, hence the question. > > Thanks > > Neil Winchurst > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Sep 27 15:40:10 2007 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:40:10 +0100 Subject: Changes to Adept? In-Reply-To: <3b27fa9d0709270512u29e81193naf58b1f3e3fee963@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070927130020.50e4cf49.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <3b27fa9d0709270512u29e81193naf58b1f3e3fee963@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070927164010.a3984d5e.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:12:12 +0200 "Phil Bieber" wrote: > Hi! > > I can't say why it changed, but I can tell you what chenged :) > > The CD-ROM is still in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, the ressource > where apt / aptitude / adept get their list of repositories from. > > Open the file ( /etc/apt/wources.list) as root (e.g. in the "Run > Command" window type: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list) and put a > pund sign ( # ) in front of the first line where it says > deb /cdrom > or something similiar. > That should get you rid of putting in the cd to install apps. > > Cheers > Philipp Bieber > Thanks for the info. I wondered if it was something simple. I will make that change and see what happens. Neil Winchurst From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 20:18:07 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0400 Subject: Kontact issues In-Reply-To: <200709261348.23305.manchicken@notsosoft.net> References: <200709261405.09850.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709261444.52429.cms0009@gmail.com> <200709261348.23305.manchicken@notsosoft.net> Message-ID: <200709271618.07647.cms0009@gmail.com> On Wednesday 26 September 2007 2:48:23 pm Michael D. Stemle, Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 13:44:52 Rick wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 2:35:21 pm you wrote: > > > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 13:05:09 Rick wrote: > > > > working in kontact, setting up a new contact, > > > > however, when trying to select the new contact, for sending a IM > > > > to him, the message tell me that NO-Instant Messaging available. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? > > > > since have kopete installed > > > > > > > > > > > > -TIA > > > > Richard > > > > > > How exactly are you doing this? > > > > have a client in kontact, that has a IM address, > > when selecting his IM address, there is text saying NO instant messaging > > app available. > > > > Richard > > I can't replicate this issue. I would recommend posting a bug on > launchpad. So, your saying it works for you ? From dgvirtual at akl.lt Thu Sep 27 20:19:35 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:19:35 +0300 Subject: kmail refuses to check for new mail Message-ID: <200709272319.36130.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Strange thing: when I use a 3G modem to connect to internet in my laptop and not wireless/wired network connection, kmail refuses to check for new mail... Or rather, once I push "Check Mail On" button, the status bar of Kmail says: "Sending finished. No new letters". This happens on imap account that I know does have a lot of new mail, it happens also at an attempt to synch a folder... It does the same when there is no internet connection (previously kmail would still try and give a lot of „could not connect“ messages as a result... How do I troubleshoot that? Could that be some new feature of kmail, that it checks mail only when some network interface is up (and programmers forgot about ppp0)? The same strange behaviour was noticeable in Konqueror - it would say a webpage is not reachable at once without even trying (firefox opened pages fine). This behaviour stopped when I disabled usage of cachee for Konqueror. By the way, kmail still sends mail fine - this one got through! -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 20:25:42 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:25:42 -0400 Subject: icons size problem Message-ID: <200709271625.42344.cms0009@gmail.com> there seems to be a problem now with the icon size, in my konqueror file manager.... it would appear they have down size by themselves after I did a upgrade this morning. It would appear, the desktop size is at 32x32 but the file manager size is 16x16.. now what's funny is the control panel for the icons, states:for desktop/file manager..VERY ODD. so I did adjust it, the desktop icons get bigger, and smaller, BUT the file manager (konqueror) are not changing at all (in Size). TIA Richard 7.04 Fiesty (kubuntu) From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 27 23:39:18 2007 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:39:18 -0300 Subject: kmail refuses to check for new mail References: <200709272319.36130.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <7965660.Vx2QAshtEM@cedar.serverforest.com> Donatas G. wrote: > Strange thing: when I use a 3G modem to connect to internet in my laptop > and not wireless/wired network connection, kmail refuses to check for new > mail... I wouldn't say it's a "strange" thing. But it's a damned annoying one. It appears to be intentional, and related to Network Manager, and the "network status daemon" and possibly the "DNS-SD Service Watcher". They're b0rked, and I haven't seen any indication that there's a plan to fix this. > Or rather, once I push "Check Mail On" button, the status bar of Kmail > says: "Sending finished. No new letters". This happens on imap account > that I know does have a lot of new mail, In KMail, I suspect it's _specifically_ related only to IMAP folders. Since all my mail is on the local IMAP server, so I shouldn't need _any_ interfaces up, that's infuriating. > How do I troubleshoot that? Could that be some new feature of kmail, that > it checks mail only when some network interface is up (and programmers > forgot about ppp0)? Yes. That's exactly true. > The same strange behaviour was noticeable in Konqueror - it would say a > webpage is not reachable at once without even trying (firefox opened pages > fine). Yes, same error. > This behaviour stopped when I disabled usage of cachee for > Konqueror. Oh? That's news to me. Thanks. -- derek From G.De_Leeuw at eurofer.be Fri Sep 28 05:25:53 2007 From: G.De_Leeuw at eurofer.be (Guy Deleeuw) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:25:53 +0200 Subject: kmail bugs ? info Message-ID: <200709280725.54074.G.De_Leeuw@eurofer.be> Hello the list When I change my network (wifi to lan, or lan to wifi) with kmail openned kmail complains about the imap server cannot be connected. With thunderbird no problems. Regards Guy From dgvirtual at akl.lt Fri Sep 28 08:22:58 2007 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:22:58 +0300 Subject: kmail bugs ? info In-Reply-To: <200709280725.54074.G.De_Leeuw@eurofer.be> References: <200709280725.54074.G.De_Leeuw@eurofer.be> Message-ID: <20070928082258.GA15900@diedas.soften.ktu.lt> Could that be that same bug that I also wrote about in message "Kmail refuses to check..."? Should we perhaps file a bug report? Donatas G. On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 07:25:53AM +0200, Guy Deleeuw wrote: > Hello the list > > When I change my network (wifi to lan, or lan to wifi) with kmail openned > kmail complains about the imap server cannot be connected. > > With thunderbird no problems. > > Regards > Guy > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From david.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 28 11:46:02 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:46:02 -0400 Subject: sync with Motorola razr v3 Message-ID: <200709280746.02520.david.mcglone@att.net> Has anyone successfully used Kubuntu to sync with the V3xx via bluetooth? I can transfer files to the phone using kbluetoothd and konqueror but I can't sync my contacts or notes or calendar. I've spent 3 days and I've tried Moto4lin, kitchensync, BitPim and kmobiletools (both released version and the newest version in development) but still can't sync. Kmobiletools seems the most promising, I can grab my contact list off the phone and put it into Kontact, but I cannot sync my contacts from my computer to the phone. -- David M. From david.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 28 11:49:17 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:49:17 -0400 Subject: Ripping In-Reply-To: <200709252131.16501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200709252131.16501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200709280749.17114.david.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 4:31:16 pm David Fletcher wrote: > Does anybody else have a copy of "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield? > > Inserting it into the CD drive and running grip with freedb configured as > the DB server, is there a crazy result for the CD title and track name? > > All other CDs I've ripped get this information correct. Amarok's CDDB never did work for me but Kaffeine always got the correct CDDB. -- David M. From vineeth.chandran at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 12:10:07 2007 From: vineeth.chandran at gmail.com (vineeth.chandran at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:40:07 +0530 Subject: wg111v2 netgear wi-fi dongle Message-ID: <63676fdd0709280510n5c7ba3d2k60757380139095a3@mail.gmail.com> Hi I tried the foll link to install the drivers for wg111v2. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-netgear-wg111v2-wireless-dongle-card-on-ubuntu-edgy.html root at ubuntu:/home/eaton/vineeth/emily# iwlist wlan0 scanning wlan0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:1A:30:64:94:A0 ESSID:"" Protocol:IEEE 802.11g Mode:Managed Frequency:2.432 GHz (Channel 5) Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm Encryption key:on Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s 11 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:atim=0 Cell 02 - Address: 02:19:D2:00:00:28 ESSID:"default" Protocol:IEEE 802.11g Mode:Ad-Hoc Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11) Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm Encryption key:off Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:atim=0 Cell 03 - Address: 00:1A:30:64:96:F0 ESSID:"" Protocol:IEEE 802.11g Mode:Managed Frequency:2.447 GHz (Channel 8) Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm Encryption key:on Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s 11 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:atim=0 Cell 04 - Address: 02:1B:77:00:00:34 ESSID:"Free Public WiFi" Protocol:IEEE 802.11g Mode:Ad-Hoc Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm Encryption key:off Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:atim=0 root at ubuntu:/home/eaton/vineeth/emily# iwconfig wlan0 essid channel 10b Error : unrecognised wireless request "10b" root at ubuntu:/home/eaton/vineeth/emily# dhclient wlan0 Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.3 Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:18:4d:c3:19:52 Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:18:4d:c3:19:52 Sending on Socket/fallback DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. What could be the reason for not getting an ip? -- Vineeth Saraschandran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had the same problem, the problem was iwconfig was not setting the essid. I used the network settings in control panel to set the information and then it worked. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From vineeth.chandran at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 13:01:28 2007 From: vineeth.chandran at gmail.com (vineeth.chandran at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:31:28 +0530 Subject: wg111v2 netgear wi-fi dongle In-Reply-To: <200709280852.38140.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <63676fdd0709280510n5c7ba3d2k60757380139095a3@mail.gmail.com> <200709280852.38140.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <63676fdd0709280601h3e775743o79c0b097195483e8@mail.gmail.com> Hi David I have a server installed on my system. So there is no GUI present. Is it not possible through command line? Vineeth On 9/28/07, David McGlone wrote: > > On Friday 28 September 2007 8:10:07 am vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > > Hi > > > > I tried the foll link to install the drivers for wg111v2. > > > http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-netgear-wg111v2-wireless-dongle-ca > >rd-on-ubuntu-edgy.html > > > > root at ubuntu:/home/eaton/vineeth/emily# iwlist wlan0 scanning > > wlan0 Scan completed : > > Cell 01 - Address: 00:1A:30:64:94:A0 > > ESSID:"" > > Protocol:IEEE 802.11g > > Mode:Managed > > Frequency:2.432 GHz (Channel 5) > > Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise > level:-256 > > dBm > > Encryption key:on > > Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s > > 11 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 > Mb/s > > 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s > > Extra:bcn_int=100 > > Extra:atim=0 > > Cell 02 - Address: 02:19:D2:00:00:28 > > ESSID:"default" > > Protocol:IEEE 802.11g > > Mode:Ad-Hoc > > Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11) > > Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise > level:-256 > > dBm > > Encryption key:off > > Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s > > 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s > > 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s > > Extra:bcn_int=100 > > Extra:atim=0 > > Cell 03 - Address: 00:1A:30:64:96:F0 > > ESSID:"" > > Protocol:IEEE 802.11g > > Mode:Managed > > Frequency:2.447 GHz (Channel 8) > > Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise > level:-256 > > dBm > > Encryption key:on > > Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s > > 11 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 > Mb/s > > 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s > > Extra:bcn_int=100 > > Extra:atim=0 > > Cell 04 - Address: 02:1B:77:00:00:34 > > ESSID:"Free Public WiFi" > > Protocol:IEEE 802.11g > > Mode:Ad-Hoc > > Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) > > Quality:0/100 Signal level:-73 dBm Noise > level:-256 > > dBm > > Encryption key:off > > Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s > > 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s > > 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s > > Extra:bcn_int=100 > > Extra:atim=0 > > > > root at ubuntu:/home/eaton/vineeth/emily# iwconfig wlan0 essid channel 10b > > Error : unrecognised wireless request "10b" > > > > > > root at ubuntu:/home/eaton/vineeth/emily# dhclient wlan0 > > Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.3 > > Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium. > > All rights reserved. > > For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP > > > > Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:18:4d:c3:19:52 > > Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:18:4d:c3:19:52 > > Sending on Socket/fallback > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16 > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14 > > DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 > > No DHCPOFFERS received. > > No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. > > > > What could be the reason for not getting an ip? > > I had the same problem, the problem was iwconfig was not setting the > essid. I > used the network settings in control panel to set the information and then > it > worked. > > -- > David M. > > If I received .01 cent for every person > that has to put in their .02 cents > I'd be rich! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Vineeth Saraschandran Embedded software Developer Eaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darryl.tidd at daaokc.com Fri Sep 28 16:51:55 2007 From: darryl.tidd at daaokc.com (Darryl Tidd) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:51:55 -0500 Subject: .deb Package Message-ID: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> I downloaded a .deb package today, and when I click on it, it opens in Ark. What program should I open it with? D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(run "man dpkg" at a command prompt for help) From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 16:58:13 2007 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:58:13 -0400 Subject: .deb Package In-Reply-To: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> References: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> Message-ID: a package manager or "dpkg -i packagename.deb to install" On 9/28/07, Darryl Tidd wrote: > > I downloaded a .deb package today, and when I click on it, it opens in > Ark. What program should I open it with? > D > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What program should I open it with? > D > Hi Darryl, on the commandline, run the following command as root: "dpkg -i packagename.deb" Or as a user, run "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb" The "packagename.deb" can also include the whole path to your file, ie. "/home/darryl/downloads/package.deb" See "man dpkg" for more infos. Mike From darryl.tidd at daaokc.com Fri Sep 28 18:22:08 2007 From: darryl.tidd at daaokc.com (Darryl Tidd) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:22:08 -0500 Subject: .deb Package In-Reply-To: <46FD346A.8090703@gmail.com> References: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> <46FD346A.8090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD4650.4060405@daaokc.com> Ok, here are the results. I was trying to use open office that came packaged with Kubuntu, but when I tried to create forms with a wizard in OOoBase, nothing would happen. Someone else was having that problem and stated that they uninstalled the included package and downloaded the files from Openoffice.org. So that is what I did. The file came as a tar.gz to which I tar xvzf [filename].tar.gz This unpacked the files to a new directory. When I went to this directory, I found only .rpm files to which I sudo alien -d *.rpm Alien converted to .deb files all the files that were .rpm. Then I was left with a bunch of .deb files and couldn't figure out how to install with a package manager (adept) so someone here told me to dpkg -i [filename].deb So taking that advise and running as a user I sudo dpkg -i *.deb This actually installed all of the files in that directory with the .deb extension. Worked like a dream. Michael wrote: > Darryl Tidd wrote: > >> I downloaded a .deb package today, and when I click on it, it opens in >> Ark. What program should I open it with? >> D >> > > I tried using .deb files a long time ago but was to inexperienced to get > any use out of them. I got frustrated and chose to stick with the > packages that are in the repositories. You are a braver soul than I! > > If I am not mistaken, you can still use GUI front ends like Adept or > Synaptic to install the package. The more experienced users on the > list will probably be able to instruct you on how to install it with a > CLI program such as Aptitude or dpkg. > > > Mike > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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HTH, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Sat Sep 29 06:06:21 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott (angrykeyboarder)) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:06:21 -0700 Subject: .deb Package In-Reply-To: <46FD346A.8090703@gmail.com> References: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> <46FD346A.8090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael wrote: > Darryl Tidd wrote: >> I downloaded a .deb package today, and when I click on it, it opens in >> Ark. What program should I open it with? >> D > > I tried using .deb files a long time ago but was to inexperienced to get > any use out of them. I got frustrated and chose to stick with the > packages that are in the repositories. You are a braver soul than I! Ubuntu utilizes Debian (.deb) packages regardless of how you install them. The packages that are in the repositories are Debian packages as well... > > If I am not mistaken, you can still use GUI front ends like Adept or > Synaptic to install the package. Those only work for packages that are in repositories. They are front ends for APT. > The more experienced users on the > list will probably be able to instruct you on how to install it with a > CLI program such as Aptitude or dpkg. You can also right-click on a package in Konqueror and there should be an option to install the package from there (it's unique to Kubuntu). I'm running Gutsy right now and I don't see it, but I know it's in Feisty & Edgy. Kubuntu doesn't include it by default, but KDE has a nice GUI for package management called KPackage. If you uninstall it you can use it to easily install individual Debian packages. $ sudo apt-get install kpackage Once you've installed it, you can right-click on a .deb package in Konqueror and select "Open With ---> KPackage" -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com ©2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wites Wesewved From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Sat Sep 29 06:48:43 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott (angrykeyboarder)) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:48:43 -0700 Subject: Ripping In-Reply-To: <200709280749.17114.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709252131.16501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709280749.17114.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007 4:31:16 pm David Fletcher wrote: >> Does anybody else have a copy of "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield? >> >> Inserting it into the CD drive and running grip with freedb configured as >> the DB server, is there a crazy result for the CD title and track name? >> >> All other CDs I've ripped get this information correct. > > Amarok's CDDB never did work for me but Kaffeine always got the correct CDDB. Amarok actually utilizes Musicbrainz rather than CDDB. I've had good luck so far. And prefer Musicbrainz. It's much more accurate and better maintained. -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com ©2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wites Wesewved From geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com Sat Sep 29 06:50:43 2007 From: geekboy at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott (angrykeyboarder)) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:50:43 -0700 Subject: icons size problem In-Reply-To: <200709271625.42344.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200709271625.42344.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick wrote: > there seems to be a problem now with the icon size, in my konqueror file > manager.... it would appear they have down size by themselves after I did a > upgrade this morning. > > It would appear, the desktop size is at 32x32 but the file manager size is > 16x16.. now what's funny is the control panel for the icons, states:for > desktop/file manager..VERY ODD. so I did adjust it, the desktop icons get > bigger, and smaller, BUT the file manager (konqueror) are not changing at all > (in Size). Did you try adjusting the size with your mouse wheel? Hold down the control key while scrolling up for larger and down for smaller. -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com ©2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wites Wesewved From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Sep 29 06:55:31 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:55:31 +0100 Subject: .deb Package In-Reply-To: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> References: <46FD312B.3030509@daaokc.com> Message-ID: <200709290755.31815.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 28 September 2007 17:51:55 Darryl Tidd wrote: > I downloaded a .deb package today, and when I click on it, it opens in > Ark. What program should I open it with? > D If I right click on a .deb file here, one of the menu options is 'Kubuntu Package Menu' which allows me to install, uninstall or see the package details. This is with 7.04. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sat Sep 29 07:15:01 2007 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 2nd try. Use/Install problem Message-ID: <200709290715.AAA05096@xpresso.seaslug.org> Howdy folks; Some months ago I got Ubuntu 6.10, and couldn't get it to work, or install. I tried getting Kubuntu 6.10, and same story. Basically, it would go so far, and then present me with, "The Black Screen Of Death". Fiddling with the video modes got me a little further, but then again, the, "Black Screen". Near as I can figure, it may have something to do with my Matrox Mystique video card not having enough memory, or something like that, but I can't say for sure. Is there any way to get this puppy up and runnung? I really would like to get something newer/better than my old Caldera 2.2.14 going here. Thanks in advance. Bill -- From Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de Sat Sep 29 07:40:51 2007 From: Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de (Michael Zoet) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:40:51 +0200 Subject: 2nd try. Use/Install problem In-Reply-To: <200709290715.AAA05096@xpresso.seaslug.org> References: <200709290715.AAA05096@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <46FE0183.1070404@michaelzoet.de> Bill Vance schrieb: > Howdy folks; > > Some months ago I got Ubuntu 6.10, and couldn't get it to work, or install. > I tried getting Kubuntu 6.10, and same story. Basically, it would go so far, > and then present me with, "The Black Screen Of Death". Fiddling with the video > modes got me a little further, but then again, the, "Black Screen". > > Near as I can figure, it may have something to do with my Matrox Mystique > video card not having enough memory, or something like that, but I can't say > for sure. > > Is there any way to get this puppy up and runnung? I really would like to get > something newer/better than my old Caldera 2.2.14 going here. > Perhaps you should try the alternate install CD. After installation you must setup X11 manually and see what driver works best with your card. And you should try a current version of (K)Ubuntu (7.04, or wait until the end of the next month for 7.10) Michael > Thanks in advance. > > Bill > > > -- > > From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sat Sep 29 08:18:43 2007 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 2nd try. Use/Install problem In-Reply-To: <46FE0183.1070404@michaelzoet.de> from "Michael Zoet" at Sep 29, 2007 09:40:51 AM Message-ID: <200709290818.BAA05568@xpresso.seaslug.org> On Sat Sep 29 00:40:51 2007 Michael Zoet wrote: >Bill Vance schrieb: >> Howdy folks; >> >> Some months ago I got Ubuntu 6.10, and couldn't get it to work, or install. >> I tried getting Kubuntu 6.10, and same story. Basically, it would go so far, >> and then present me with, "The Black Screen Of Death". Fiddling with the video >> modes got me a little further, but then again, the, "Black Screen". >> >> Near as I can figure, it may have something to do with my Matrox Mystique >> video card not having enough memory, or something like that, but I can't say >> for sure. >> >> Is there any way to get this puppy up and runnung? I really would like to get >> something newer/better than my old Caldera 2.2.14 going here. >> >Perhaps you should try the alternate install CD. After installation you >must setup X11 manually and see what driver works best with your card. >And you should try a current version of (K)Ubuntu (7.04, or wait until >the end of the next month for 7.10) What alternate install CD? When I got these, (from amazon), all I was sent were the DVD's. Isn't this K/Ubuntu stuff advertised as being the most painless installation to date? I suppose I should know better than to believe the sales dweebs.....:-( Bill -- From guido.dom at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 08:31:54 2007 From: guido.dom at gmail.com (guido dom) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:31:54 +0200 Subject: 2nd try. Use/Install problem In-Reply-To: <200709290818.BAA05568@xpresso.seaslug.org> References: <46FE0183.1070404@michaelzoet.de> <200709290818.BAA05568@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: See the Ubuntu site on the download section. 2007/9/29, Bill Vance : > > On Sat Sep 29 00:40:51 2007 Michael Zoet wrote: > > >Bill Vance schrieb: > >> Howdy folks; > >> > >> Some months ago I got Ubuntu 6.10, and couldn't get it to work, or > install. > >> I tried getting Kubuntu 6.10, and same story. Basically, it would go > so far, > >> and then present me with, "The Black Screen Of Death". Fiddling with > the video > >> modes got me a little further, but then again, the, "Black Screen". > >> > >> Near as I can figure, it may have something to do with my Matrox > Mystique > >> video card not having enough memory, or something like that, but I > can't say > >> for sure. > >> > >> Is there any way to get this puppy up and runnung? I really would like > to get > >> something newer/better than my old Caldera 2.2.14 going here. > >> > >Perhaps you should try the alternate install CD. After installation you > >must setup X11 manually and see what driver works best with your card. > >And you should try a current version of (K)Ubuntu (7.04, or wait until > >the end of the next month for 7.10) > > > What alternate install CD? When I got these, (from amazon), all I was > sent > were the DVD's. Isn't this K/Ubuntu stuff advertised as being the most > painless installation to date? I suppose I should know better than to > believe the sales dweebs.....:-( > > Bill > > > -- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Tel:+32 (0)58 239804 +32 (0)497 538736 Nog een mooie dag toegewenst. Guido (dompie) Dom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bach.michael at gmx.net Sat Sep 29 11:15:07 2007 From: bach.michael at gmx.net (Michael Bach (gmx)) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:15:07 +0200 Subject: 2nd try. Use/Install problem In-Reply-To: <200709290818.BAA05568@xpresso.seaslug.org> References: <200709290818.BAA05568@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <46FE33BB.6040201@gmx.net> Bill Vance wrote: > On Sat Sep 29 00:40:51 2007 Michael Zoet wrote: > >> Bill Vance schrieb: >>> Howdy folks; >>> >>> Some months ago I got Ubuntu 6.10, and couldn't get it to work, or install. >>> I tried getting Kubuntu 6.10, and same story. Basically, it would go so far, >>> and then present me with, "The Black Screen Of Death". Fiddling with the video >>> modes got me a little further, but then again, the, "Black Screen". >>> >>> Near as I can figure, it may have something to do with my Matrox Mystique >>> video card not having enough memory, or something like that, but I can't say >>> for sure. >>> >>> Is there any way to get this puppy up and runnung? I really would like to get >>> something newer/better than my old Caldera 2.2.14 going here. >>> >> Perhaps you should try the alternate install CD. After installation you >> must setup X11 manually and see what driver works best with your card. >> And you should try a current version of (K)Ubuntu (7.04, or wait until >> the end of the next month for 7.10) > > > What alternate install CD? When I got these, (from amazon), all I was sent > were the DVD's. Isn't this K/Ubuntu stuff advertised as being the most > painless installation to date? I suppose I should know better than to > believe the sales dweebs.....:-( > >From my experience, there are various combinations (or even just single pieces) of hardware that cause trouble once in a while. And this applies to all(!) distributions, even the many "Redmond Distributions". A windows installation on a scsi raid system is a driver nightmare. Six years ago I installed a frame grabbeer on win2k, resulted in a hardware activation/deactivation reboot orgy. And so on. On Kubuntu 7.04 I ran into graphics and keyboard problems on my Thinkpad, so went back to 6.10. However, in the absence of dark, there's bright light! Just yesterday I installed ubuntu 7.10 (the beta) on my parents laptop. It's an about seven year old panasonic toughbook with 128MByte of ram, 4MByte video ram. The only halfway contemporary item in it is a 30GByte harddisk. The only way to get an [x|k]ubuntu linux on such a computer is just the alternative install cd. Alternative install cd's come with a very lightweight installer that runs on such a machine. The live-cd overhead just kills any attempt on a painless installation. Now, I will stop wiseguy mode here. To advice on your problem, you can do the following: - get the alternative install cd - start your system, wait at the initial menu, make selections for language, and then select to install a base system (I don't know how it is called exactly in the menu) If things go ok so far, you should have a working system with network support and login shell, but with no X and no KDE. Log in. - do a "sudo aptitude update" - then "sudo aptitude install hwinfo mc" "Hwinfo" is a program that detects your hardware. "mc" ist the midnight commander. This provides excellent file browsing and an easy to use editor on a terminal. - run "sudo hwinfo --gfxcard", the output on one of the bottom lines tells you the name of the X driver module Now comes the installation of X and KDE: - run "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop", this will probably take some time. After this is done you should be back on the commandline. Now configuring X. Important here: The actual driver name, the screen frequencies and possibly the bit-depth. - "sudo mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" -find a section called "Device", it should only be like 3 to 5 lines -if not already, replace the name in the quotes behind "Driver" with what you have found to be the driver name form running "hwinfo". - find a section called "Monitor", only a few lines long as well - check the horizontal and vertical frequencies and adapt them - find a section called "Screen", this section can be longer now - find the line which starts with "DefaultDepth", set the value to 16 - pressing F10 ends mcedit, save the file. Reboot. That's what I would do, hope it helps. Mike From manchicken at notsosoft.net Fri Sep 28 18:14:39 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:14:39 -0500 Subject: sync with Motorola razr v3 In-Reply-To: <200709280746.02520.david.mcglone@att.net> References: <200709280746.02520.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200709281314.39716.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Friday 28 September 2007 06:46:02 David McGlone wrote: > Has anyone successfully used Kubuntu to sync with the V3xx via bluetooth? I > can transfer files to the phone using kbluetoothd and konqueror but I can't > sync my contacts or notes or calendar. I've spent 3 days and I've tried > Moto4lin, kitchensync, BitPim and kmobiletools (both released version and > the newest version in development) but still can't sync. > > Kmobiletools seems the most promising, I can grab my contact list off the > phone and put it into Kontact, but I cannot sync my contacts from my > computer to the phone. > > -- > David M. Not to hijack, but I'd like to explore some of these possibilities as well. I've got a Blackberry Curve that I'd love to be able to sync with. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Sep 28 06:19:59 2007 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install problem Message-ID: <200709280619.XAA03003@xpresso.seaslug.org> Howdy folks; Some months ago I got Ubuntu 6.10, and had problems getting it to boot/install. It would get so far along, and then present me with, "The Black Screen Of Death". I tried getting a Kubuntu 6.10 DVD, and same story. Playing games with the video mode got me a little further, but then again presented me with the, "The Black Screen". I haven't had a lot of time to play with this, but near as I can figure, it might have something to do with my Matrox Mystique vidseo card not having enough memory, or something like that. Is there some way to get this puppy up and running? I'd really like to get something newer than my old Caldera 2.2.14 going. TIA Bill -- From devooght at comcast.net Sat Sep 29 14:23:33 2007 From: devooght at comcast.net (Lance DeVooght) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:23:33 -0400 Subject: Ripping In-Reply-To: References: <200709252131.16501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200709280749.17114.david.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: > David McGlone wrote: >> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 4:31:16 pm David Fletcher wrote: >>> Does anybody else have a copy of "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield? >>> >>> Inserting it into the CD drive and running grip with freedb configured as >>> the DB server, is there a crazy result for the CD title and track name? >>> >>> All other CDs I've ripped get this information correct. >> Amarok's CDDB never did work for me but Kaffeine always got the correct CDDB. > > Amarok actually utilizes Musicbrainz rather than CDDB. I've had good > luck so far. And prefer Musicbrainz. It's much more accurate and better > maintained. > People, The OP is talking about a music CD called, "AMAROK" by, Mike Oldfield (a musician). http://tubular.net/discography/Amarok.shtml He is not referring to the audio player for Linux called Amarok. Lance From Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de Sat Sep 29 16:22:21 2007 From: Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de (Michael Zoet) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:22:21 +0200 Subject: 2nd try. Use/Install problem In-Reply-To: <46FE33BB.6040201@gmx.net> References: <200709290818.BAA05568@xpresso.seaslug.org> <46FE33BB.6040201@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46FE7BBD.9040902@michaelzoet.de> > > ... > > Now, I will stop wiseguy mode here. To advice on your problem, you can > do the following: > - get the alternative install cd > - start your system, wait at the initial menu, make selections for > language, and then select to install a base system (I don't know how it > is called exactly in the menu) > If things go ok so far, you should have a working system with network > support and login shell, but with no X and no KDE. Log in. > - do a "sudo aptitude update" > - then "sudo aptitude install hwinfo mc" > "Hwinfo" is a program that detects your hardware. "mc" ist the midnight > commander. This provides excellent file browsing and an easy to use > editor on a terminal. > - run "sudo hwinfo --gfxcard", the output on one of the bottom lines > tells you the name of the X driver module > Now comes the installation of X and KDE: > - run "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop", this will probably take > some time. After this is done you should be back on the commandline. Now > configuring X. Important here: The actual driver name, the screen > frequencies and possibly the bit-depth. > - "sudo mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" > -find a section called "Device", it should only be like 3 to 5 lines > -if not already, replace the name in the quotes behind "Driver" with > what you have found to be the driver name form running "hwinfo". > - find a section called "Monitor", only a few lines long as well > - check the horizontal and vertical frequencies and adapt them > - find a section called "Screen", this section can be longer now > - find the line which starts with "DefaultDepth", set the value to 16 > - pressing F10 ends mcedit, save the file. Reboot. > > That's what I would do, hope it helps. Mike > > Really good explanation! You do not have to use mc, but it is a good programm. Any other editor will do (pico, nano, emacs, vi, ...). I am an "old school" Unix boy and use vi for deep down configuration editing ;-). Another way to configure X11 would be: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg With this you do not must edit the xorg.conf directly, if you do not like it. I think there are a lot of other ways to do this, as it is Linux/Unix. Good luck, Michael From tom.monaco at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 01:25:35 2007 From: tom.monaco at gmail.com (Tom Monaco) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:25:35 -0700 Subject: Dell Latitude x300 MediaBase audio Message-ID: <31c77ce0709291825k4b3dc417jab82d1bc4fd40cf@mail.gmail.com> When I'm on the windows partition, the system automatically switches to the (better) mediabase speakers when the machine is docked. Does anyone know how to do this in Kubuntu feisty? As it is now it always uses the tiny speaker on the laptop itself. Thanks! -- Tom Monaco tom.monaco at gmail.com http://www.ethergeek.com From cms0009 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 03:28:30 2007 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:28:30 -0400 Subject: [kubuntu-users] kde4 beta2 In-Reply-To: <46E6350A.7020407@stdin.me.uk> References: <200709070515.39790.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200709110030.29555.sniffy@rogers.com> <46E6350A.7020407@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200709292328.30261.cms0009@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 2:26:18 am Terence Simpson wrote: > This is what KDE4b2 is like right now, the reason that it's not very > usable is that there are no packages for the replacement to kicker (and > some other thing). They are all still in heavy development and just have > not been releases with beta2. In all likelihood the Kubuntu packages > will _not_ be updated, not unless the KDE project releases them as some > sort of pre-beta3 (not likely). So, guess well wait for kde 4 beta 3 ? then we should be good to go. Rich From david.mcglone at att.net Sun Sep 30 04:02:48 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:02:48 -0400 Subject: Ripping In-Reply-To: References: <200709252131.16501.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200709300002.48572.david.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 29 September 2007 10:23:33 am Lance DeVooght wrote: > Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: > > David McGlone wrote: > >> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 4:31:16 pm David Fletcher wrote: > >>> Does anybody else have a copy of "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield? > >>> > >>> Inserting it into the CD drive and running grip with freedb configured > >>> as the DB server, is there a crazy result for the CD title and track > >>> name? > >>> > >>> All other CDs I've ripped get this information correct. > >> > >> Amarok's CDDB never did work for me but Kaffeine always got the correct > >> CDDB. > > > > Amarok actually utilizes Musicbrainz rather than CDDB. I've had good > > luck so far. And prefer Musicbrainz. It's much more accurate and better > > maintained. > > People, > The OP is talking about a music CD called, "AMAROK" by, Mike Oldfield > (a musician). > http://tubular.net/discography/Amarok.shtml > > He is not referring to the audio player for Linux > called Amarok. HA!HA!HA! That was the biggest brain fart I've ever had. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From david.mcglone at att.net Sun Sep 30 04:14:38 2007 From: david.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:14:38 -0400 Subject: sync with Motorola razr v3 In-Reply-To: <200709281314.39716.manchicken@notsosoft.net> References: <200709280746.02520.david.mcglone@att.net> <200709281314.39716.manchicken@notsosoft.net> Message-ID: <200709300014.39024.david.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 28 September 2007 2:14:39 pm Michael D. Stemle, Jr. wrote: > On Friday 28 September 2007 06:46:02 David McGlone wrote: > > Has anyone successfully used Kubuntu to sync with the V3xx via bluetooth? > > I can transfer files to the phone using kbluetoothd and konqueror but I > > can't sync my contacts or notes or calendar. I've spent 3 days and I've > > tried Moto4lin, kitchensync, BitPim and kmobiletools (both released > > version and the newest version in development) but still can't sync. > > > > Kmobiletools seems the most promising, I can grab my contact list off the > > phone and put it into Kontact, but I cannot sync my contacts from my > > computer to the phone. > > > > -- > > David M. > > Not to hijack, but I'd like to explore some of these possibilities as well. > I've got a Blackberry Curve that I'd love to be able to sync with. No need to worry about a hijack. I'm not a tightwad. :-) Have you been able to transfer files to and from it? I am able to use kbluetooth to send my phone files and retrieve files but can't figure out how to sync. Also I cannot access all of the phone. For instance, I can only see files and photos I have put on the phone, but I can't see all the other files on the phone that were pre-installed. I wonder if kpilot would work with the Blackberry. -- David M. If I received .01 cent for every person that has to put in their .02 cents I'd be rich! From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Sep 30 08:37:29 2007 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:37:29 +0100 Subject: Dell Latitude x300 MediaBase audio In-Reply-To: <31c77ce0709291825k4b3dc417jab82d1bc4fd40cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <31c77ce0709291825k4b3dc417jab82d1bc4fd40cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709300937.29483.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 30 September 2007 02:25:35 Tom Monaco wrote: > When I'm on the windows partition, the system automatically switches > to the (better) mediabase speakers when the machine is docked. Does > anyone know how to do this in Kubuntu feisty? As it is now it always > uses the tiny speaker on the laptop itself. > > Thanks! You could try something similar to this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3375766 From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Sun Sep 30 13:26:40 2007 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent Asorne) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:26:40 +0200 Subject: Upgrading my motherboard & processor In-Reply-To: <200709270555.27415.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200709231841.11543.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709271035.20680.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> <200709270555.27415.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200709301526.41465.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> On Thursday 27 September 2007 11:55:27 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 27 September 2007, Laurent Asorne wrote: > > Actually, my video card is an Riva TNT2 (think it has nvidia Gforce2 > > chipset) running alright with the nv driver. So, I don't think there will > > be any difficulty from the video side, even if the chipset changes? > > Nope. It should boot right up then. Now working and taking full advantage > of the new hardware, you'll have two more concerns. First, I'm not sure if > stock K/Ubuntu kernels are compiled for SMP. I think they are, but I'm not > sure. You may need to swap in a new kernel to take advantage of both > processors, but this is fairly trivial. The other thing is if you want to > switch to a 64-bit distro, it is, of course, a total distro changeover. > Your existing 32-bit stuff will work fine, and whether you should even > bother with a 64-bit distro is a subject for a debate I won't rehash here. > It's been argued to death, even right here. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre I think i'd rather stick with this distro for the time of migration and install a 64bit version of Kubuntu beneath this one afterwards. So i have the time to check if all components work with Kubuntu before doing a new complete installation. That seems to be the best way to be sure everything would work fine. The easiest way would be to buy a completely new computer, but it would cost me too much €'s ... Laurent -- The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better'. So I installed LINUX