From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 1 03:01:37 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:01:37 -0500 Subject: Help with Acer 24" monitor In-Reply-To: <139133.91650.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <139133.91650.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200712312201.37074.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 31 December 2007, cherryfinals wrote: > P241w model. > older Asus motherboard > My problem is that only 1280x1024 will fill the screen properly. If I > set resolution to 1920x1200, it becomes wider than the monitor and you > have to scroll around. What you're seeing is the desktop is 1920x1200, but the actual display window is some other size, probably 1280x1024 I'm guessing. Honestly, if I were in this situation, I would just reach for a live CD of some type, and hope it got the X config right, then copy it over to my hard drive. Also, if you have Windows on that thing, what does Windows do with it? (If you don't, no complaints here mind you. Just saying if you have it...) Ooops, gotta run. Maybe somebody else will follow up. -- D. Michael McIntyre From h_taheri at isc.iranet.net Tue Jan 1 07:34:23 2008 From: h_taheri at isc.iranet.net (homayoon taheri) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:04:23 +0330 Subject: How to add new ttf fonts ? Message-ID: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> How can I add new ttf fonts to kubuntu 7.10 From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 1 08:17:16 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 03:17:16 -0500 Subject: How to add new ttf fonts ? In-Reply-To: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> References: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> Message-ID: <200801010317.16188.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 01 January 2008, homayoon taheri wrote: > How can I add new ttf fonts to kubuntu 7.10 I'll answer you (hic) after I wake up (hic) tomrrow (hic) with a massive, gigantic (hic) hangowver. Herry New Year1 (Its prteey ease, but not so obvouisu.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Tue Jan 1 08:19:09 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:19:09 +0100 Subject: How to add new ttf fonts ? In-Reply-To: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> References: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> Message-ID: <200801010919.09459.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> tirsdag den 1. Januar 2008 kvad homayoon taheri: > How can I add new ttf fonts to kubuntu 7.10 Press Alt+F2 Run command: help:/kubuntu/config-desktop/tips.html#fonts Best regards Johnny :o) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 08:59:47 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:59:47 +0200 Subject: How to add new ttf fonts ? In-Reply-To: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> References: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> Message-ID: <200801011059.47120.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > How can I add new ttf fonts to kubuntu 7.10 Shameless plug: You could use Fonty Python and then keep all your fonts in a folder somewhere and only install the ones you need at any one time. This has the advantage of keeping your font chooser dialogues shorter (and trust me, if you install font packages from the repos you *will* be scrolling through vast gobi deserts of fonts looking for one you can use!). Here's the link: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ It's not a KDE app, but fits right-in anyway. It does not solve the "where do I get fonts from in the first place" problem, but there are many free fonts available on the web. \d From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 1 10:38:54 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:38:54 +1100 Subject: Change Default to T/Bird & Firefox Message-ID: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> I have just loaded Kbuntu. Question: I want to change my default Email to Thunderbird (and Firefox browser) but the method given in Q/A 7077 (see below for link) is to " Navigate to System \ Preferences \ Preferred Applications" I can find System in the K Menu but there is only an array of programs; Adept, Dolphin etc. I can't find any trace of Preferences can someone help. Clark https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+question/7077 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 10:58:38 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:58:38 +0200 Subject: Change Default to T/Bird & Firefox In-Reply-To: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> References: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801011258.38987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I can't find any trace of Preferences can someone help. K -> System Settings (it's a program, not a menu item) hth \d From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Tue Jan 1 11:09:09 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 03:09:09 -0800 Subject: Off Topic: OpenOffice.org Base HSQLD Help Message-ID: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> I have a table that holds generic personal info: TABLE1: AUTHID: INTEGER auto-indexed, key LNAME: VARCHAR FNAME: VARCHAR MNAME: VARCHAR I have LISTBOX1 in a subform that uses QUERY1 for listing contents. QUERY1 has this HSQLDB code in it: SELECT CASE WHEN "MNAME" <> '' THEN CONVERT("AUTHID", VARCHAR) || '-' || "LNAME" || ', ' || "FNAME" || ' ' || "MNAME" ELSE CONVERT("AUTHID", VARCHAR) || '-' || "LNAME" || ', ' || "FNAME" END AS "NAME" FROM "TBL-AUTHORS" The HSQLDB code converts the "AUTHID" INTEGER to VARCHAR and concatenates it with LNAME, FNAME, and MNAME and places the results into a single VARCHAR field NAMEID. The codes has a test to determine if MNAME is empty. I tested QUERY1 by itself and it appears functional. The LISTBOX1 is intended to take output from QUERY1 for its list. When selected information will go into NAMEID field of TABLE2. Despite the fact that QUERY1 works by itself, LISTBOX1 will not load its list when pointed to QUERY1 as its list source. Neither will it update its list if I use the code from QUERY1 as an SQL [Native] statement. I have also tried making a table view of QUERY1 as TABLE3. When I set LISTBOX1 to source its list to TABLE3, I still get an empty list. Any ideas what I am missing here? Larry From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 1 11:10:17 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:10:17 +1100 Subject: Change Default to T/Bird & Firefox In-Reply-To: <200801011258.38987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> <200801011258.38987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <477A1F99.7040003@optusnet.com.au> Donn wrote: >> I can't find any trace of Preferences can someone help. >> > K -> System Settings (it's a program, not a menu item) > > hth > \d > > I had tried System Settings before and there was no indication of preferences or preferred applications, either in System Settings or System Settings Advanced. C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jan 1 15:14:45 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:14:45 -0500 Subject: How to add new ttf fonts ? In-Reply-To: <200801011059.47120.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> <200801011059.47120.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801011014.47218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 01 January 2008, Donn wrote: >> How can I add new ttf fonts to kubuntu 7.10 > >Shameless plug: You could use Fonty Python and then keep all your fonts in a >folder somewhere and only install the ones you need at any one time. > > This has the advantage of keeping your font chooser dialogues shorter (and >trust me, if you install font packages from the repos you *will* be > scrolling through vast gobi deserts of fonts looking for one you can use!). > >Here's the link: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ > >It's not a KDE app, but fits right-in anyway. > >It does not solve the "where do I get fonts from in the first place" > problem, but there are many free fonts available on the web. > >\d To shorten the OP's search, I've found goldenweb.it a virtual gold mine of high quality fonts. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Neutrinos have bad breadth. From jpatrickdavies at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 16:02:01 2008 From: jpatrickdavies at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:02:01 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Bug Triage Message-ID: <200801011702.06896.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> Happy New Year everyone! And so, here you have it, the Kubuntu Tutorials Day's Bug Triage in PDF, with LaTeX source too. It can be downloaded from the same location as the packaging one: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/ Have a fanastic 2008! Jonathan -- Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Tue Jan 1 21:34:14 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:34:14 -0800 Subject: Off Topic: OpenOffice.org Base HSQLD Help In-Reply-To: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200801011334.15151.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 01 January 2008 03:09:09 am Larry Hartman wrote: > I have a table that holds generic personal info: > > TABLE1: > AUTHID: INTEGER auto-indexed, key > LNAME: VARCHAR > FNAME: VARCHAR > MNAME: VARCHAR > > I have LISTBOX1 in a subform that uses QUERY1 for listing contents. > > QUERY1 has this HSQLDB code in it: > > SELECT CASE WHEN "MNAME" <> '' THEN CONVERT("AUTHID", > VARCHAR) || '-' || "LNAME" || ', ' || "FNAME" || ' ' || "MNAME" ELSE > CONVERT("AUTHID", VARCHAR) || '-' || "LNAME" || ', ' || "FNAME" END AS > "NAME" FROM "TBL-AUTHORS" > > The HSQLDB code converts the "AUTHID" INTEGER to VARCHAR and concatenates > it with LNAME, FNAME, and MNAME and places the results into a single > VARCHAR field NAMEID. The codes has a test to determine if MNAME is empty. > I tested QUERY1 by itself and it appears functional. > > The LISTBOX1 is intended to take output from QUERY1 for its list. When > selected information will go into NAMEID field of TABLE2. > > Despite the fact that QUERY1 works by itself, LISTBOX1 will not load its > list when pointed to QUERY1 as its list source. Neither will it update its > list if I use the code from QUERY1 as an SQL [Native] statement. I have > also tried making a table view of QUERY1 as TABLE3. When I set LISTBOX1 to > source its list to TABLE3, I still get an empty list. > > Any ideas what I am missing here? > > Larry As an answer to my earlier question above for anyone looking to load a single column list box with data from multiple columns. I placed the code below in a BASE Query, then assigned that query as the source of the listbox. SELECT COALESCE( "TBL-AUTHORS"."LNAME", '' ) + CHAR( 44 ) + CHAR ( 32 ) + COALESCE( "TBL-AUTHORS"."FNAME", '' ) + CHAR( 32 ) + COALESCE( "TBL-AUTHORS"."MNAME", '' ) AS "NAMEID", "AUTHID" FROM "TBL-AUTHORS" ORDER BY "NAMEID" ASC The listbox shows a singel column with all three fields LNAME, FNAME, and MNAME. The AUTHID field is not shown but loaded. The bound property of the Listbox is set to "1" and looks toward "AUTHID" for the listbox value when selection is made. Listbox apparently does not recognize any SQL concatenate function statements....I don't know the internals well enough to understand why. CHAR ( 44) is a comma, CHAR( 32 ) is a space. Larry From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:47:44 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:47:44 +0200 Subject: Off Topic: OpenOffice.org Base HSQLD Help In-Reply-To: <200801011334.15151.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200801011334.15151.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200801012347.44338.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > concatenate function statements....I don't know the internals well enough > to understand why. CHAR ( 44) is a comma, CHAR( 32 ) is a space. I don't know OOO Base from a hole in the ground, but those chars are ascii values. 32 is space, 44 a comma, 65 is A, 66 B and so on. \d From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 1 22:08:32 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:08:32 +1100 Subject: Change Default to T/Bird & Firefox In-Reply-To: <477A2815.6010204@bielenberg.id.au> References: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> <200801011258.38987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <477A2040.2070005@bielenberg.id.au> <477A2495.1040204@optusnet.com.au> <477A2815.6010204@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <477AB9E0.9030701@optusnet.com.au> Thanks, not quite as intuitive as some, command line is more and more the way to go. Clark. cary Bielenberg wrote: > Clark wrote: >> cary Bielenberg wrote: >>> Donn wrote: >>>>> I can't find any trace of Preferences can someone help. >>>>> >>>> K -> System Settings (it's a program, not a menu item) >>>> >>>> hth >>>> \d >>>> >>>> >>> Donn, >>> K button -> System Settings -> Default Applications -> >>> Email Client >>> >>> >>> Cheers Cary >> Thanks, >> >> Clark >> > I sent a screen shot before but It got moderated for being too large :'( > > > Cary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 1 23:32:30 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:32:30 +1100 Subject: Need Startup Help Kbuntu In-Reply-To: <200712310552.lBV5q4e1019370@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200712310552.lBV5q4e1019370@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477ACD8E.9070903@optusnet.com.au> Hi Donn, follow on from previous query re OOO spellcheck your knowledge please. I have come up with a reference (a new set of dictionaries) from the people who sold me the Kbuntu distribution. The instructions seem to leave a few steps out (my questions in brackets) and you are right, this seems to be a bug that no one has picked up on; what should be done about that? The suggested solution: *OpenOffice.org* *Australian English dictionary* Full version Right click on the following link and save the full version of the dictionary files. en_AU_V2.2.0.zip (right click didn't work, left click and save to desktop - is this OK) Kelvin version (Our preferred dictionary.) Right click on the following link and save our preferred spelling dictionary files. kelvin_en_AU_V2.2.0.zip *Australian English Hyphenation file* This version of the hyphenation file corrects an error. Right click on the following link and save the hyphenation file. hyph_en_AU.dic (this one was different, it downloaded a file starts with an ISO No. already unpacked?) *Australian English Thesaurus file* We have made a first pass of the Thesaurus file and removed numerous obvious entries which are generally not considered the way to spell the word in Australia. For example the word "color" has been removed. Right click on the following link and save the Thesaurus file. th_en_AU_2.2.1.zip (Download as for Dict) The file names within the zip file is kept is v2 in keeping with the file naming standards introduced with OpenOffice.org V2.x. File release date: 9 December 2006 NOTE: Version 2.2.1 fixes an error reported by Scott Steele. Thanks. *Australian English Dictionary.lst file* The dictionary.lst file is the file which lets OpenOffice.org know which language files to use. The following file is set up to work with all the above language files. You should review this file to see that it meets your needs. If you wish to use additional languages to Australian English you should manually modify the dictionary.lst file to meet your needs. Right click on the following link and save the dictionary.lst file. dictionary.lst NOTE: One person has reported this file downloading as "dictionary.lst.txt". If this happens rename the file back to "dictionary.lst". NOTE: Thanks to Tauroka for advising that Linux/Unix/BSD are sensitive to a final carriage return at the end of files. For Linux/Unix/BSD a final carriage return needs to be added to the dictionary.lst file. How to install Australian English Dictionary for OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu Download Dictionary files from this page. Unzip the downloaded dictionary files If you're using *Ubuntu (Gnome)*, press Alt-F2 and type gksudo nautilus If you're using *Kubuntu (KDE)*, press Alt-F2 and type kdesu konqueror (this doesn't work but I can open a terminal if this is what is needed ?) If you're using *Xubuntu (XFCE)*, press Alt-F2 and type gksudo thunar Go to (do I do this in command line ?? if so where do I get command line instructions) /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo Find the file dictionary.lst rename it to dictionary.lstold This will allow you to get it back if you need to drag the unzipped dictionary files into /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo (this suggests that it is done in windows, is that possible / ok) Close the window and restart OpenOffice.org. You will now have Australian English as your default dictionary The Ubuntu instructions were provided by Gareth Humphreys. Thank you for taking the time to contribute the instructions for the benefit of others. (I am a little suspicious that this will still have the same problem if the bug is due to the combination of options selected on start-up which I am fairly sure is the case) You did ask that I keep you posted on any progress with this issue and your comment and advice is still much needed. Cheers, Clark. >> I hope you enjoy the fun and free world of Kubuntu, come back any time >> to ask >> for help! >> >> \d >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 1 23:47:12 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:47:12 +1100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? Message-ID: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> Another problem, 1. Dolphin gives an error message on closure "Dolphin can't save bookmarks ......" 2. How do I copy the error message so I can paste it into a Email and forward it. Thanks, Clark. From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 2 00:41:48 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:41:48 +1100 Subject: Further ? OOO Message-ID: <477ADDCC.6090608@optusnet.com.au> Hi Donn, Looking at the amount of time the OOO Spell bug has cost me I have an alternative suggestion. 1. I delete / remove OOO How? 2. Reinstall How? 3. run with defaults unchanged and if spell works 4. Personalise the options 1by 1 until it stops working This way I will be able to report the Bug with specific causes. Is this a viable option? Your help with the Hows? please, I suspect command line is the way to go. Clark. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Wed Jan 2 01:38:52 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:38:52 -0800 Subject: Off Topic: OpenOffice.org Base HSQLD Help In-Reply-To: <200801012347.44338.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200801011334.15151.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200801012347.44338.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801011738.53117.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 01 January 2008 01:47:44 pm Donn wrote: > > concatenate function statements....I don't know the internals well enough > > to understand why. CHAR ( 44) is a comma, CHAR( 32 ) is a space. > > I don't know OOO Base from a hole in the ground, but those chars are ascii > values. 32 is space, 44 a comma, 65 is A, 66 B and so on. > > \d I assumed as much but nothing definitive to tell me. Took me three hours or so today to find a sample code for making a button open another form. While I wish not to say this, it does appear that MS VBA is far easier and more intuitive to learn than Star Basic, and the MS documentation is much better structured and easier to digest....such is the dismal state of Star Basic used in Open Office. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Wed Jan 2 01:43:15 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:43:15 -0800 Subject: Off Topic: OpenOffice.org Base HSQLD Help In-Reply-To: <200801011738.53117.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200801012347.44338.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801011738.53117.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200801011743.15367.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 01 January 2008 05:38:52 pm Larry Hartman wrote: > On Tuesday 01 January 2008 01:47:44 pm Donn wrote: > > > concatenate function statements....I don't know the internals well > > > enough to understand why. CHAR ( 44) is a comma, CHAR( 32 ) is a > > > space. > > > > I don't know OOO Base from a hole in the ground, but those chars are > > ascii values. 32 is space, 44 a comma, 65 is A, 66 B and so on. > > > > \d > > I assumed as much but nothing definitive to tell me. > > > > Took me three hours or so today to find a sample code for making a button > open another form. While I wish not to say this, it does appear that MS > VBA is far easier and more intuitive to learn than Star Basic, and the MS > documentation is much better structured and easier to digest....such is the > dismal state of Star Basic used in Open Office. > > From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Wed Jan 2 01:49:45 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:49:45 -0800 Subject: Off Topic: OpenOffice.org Base HSQLD Help In-Reply-To: <200801011738.53117.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200801010309.10024.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200801012347.44338.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801011738.53117.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200801011749.45932.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 01 January 2008 05:38:52 pm Larry Hartman wrote: > On Tuesday 01 January 2008 01:47:44 pm Donn wrote: > > > concatenate function statements....I don't know the internals well > > > enough to understand why. CHAR ( 44) is a comma, CHAR( 32 ) is a > > > space. > > > > I don't know OOO Base from a hole in the ground, but those chars are > > ascii values. 32 is space, 44 a comma, 65 is A, 66 B and so on. > > > > \d > > I assumed as much but nothing definitive to tell me. > > > > Took me three hours or so today to find a sample code for making a button > open another form. While I wish not to say this, it does appear that MS > VBA is far easier and more intuitive to learn than Star Basic, and the MS > documentation is much better structured and easier to digest....such is the > dismal state of Star Basic used in Open Office. > > For anyone interested....below is the code snippet I found in the openoffice.org foums for opening another form in Base via a button planted on one form. Just replace the Sub lien with you own name and the "FRM-DOCUMENTS" with your form's name. I don't know how it all works yet, but it does seem to work well. Larry ==================================================== Sub OpenFormDocuments OpenForm(getFormsTC, getConnectionTC,"FRM-DOCUMENTS") End Sub Function OpenForm(formContainer as variant, oConnection as variant, sFormName as string) as variant Dim aProp(1) As New com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue aProp(0).Name = "ActiveConnection" aProp(0).Value = oConnection aProp(1).Name = "OpenMode" aProp(1).Value = "open" OpenForm = formContainer.loadComponentFromURL(sFormName,"_blank",0,aProp()) End Function Function getFormsTC() as variant getFormsTC = thisComponent.Parent.getFormDocuments End Function Function getConnectionTC() as variant getConnectionTC = thisComponent.Drawpage.Forms(0).ActiveConnection End Function From tim at johnsons-web.com Wed Jan 2 02:21:58 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:21:58 -0900 Subject: Automatically Starting a Script Message-ID: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> Using kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) I have the following setup: System Settings (Advanced Tab) ->Session Manager Under "General" I have checked: "Confirm Logout" "Offer Shutdown Options" Under "On Login" I have checked: "Restore Previous Session" Under "Default Shutdown Option" I have checked: "End current Session" Problem is: I start my editor (emacs22-x, emacs compiled for X) as up to four different instances started by 4 different executable shell scripts: Example: #!/bin/sh emacs22-x --title Py-Macs -geometry 132x72+1+1 -eval "(color-theme-tj-dark-blue)" ;; NOTE my mail is wrapping the second line When I restart my session, the shell scripts are _not_ executed. Any ideas of how to get the scripts to automatically be launched? Thanks Tim From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 2 02:53:50 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:53:50 -0500 Subject: Automatically Starting a Script In-Reply-To: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <200801012153.51001.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> > When I restart my session, the shell scripts are _not_ > executed. > Any ideas of how to get the scripts to automatically be > launched? I bet it's because they're shell scripts, and the session manager is only looking at applications that are running directly, instead of underneath an invisible instance of a shell. I don't know if that's true, and I have no insider knowledge of how any of that works, but I do have an idea for a workaround. Why not start one instance of each out of a run box, so instead of having something like this in the process table: /bin/bash /home/you/bin/emacs-foo-script You'll have something like this instead: /bin/emacs option option option foo foo foo (Or xemacs or whatever. I don't speak emacs.) Why not try setting it up that way and save the session, then see what happens? If it was a stupid suggestion, at least it shouldn't waste vast amounts of your time or cause any irreparable harm to anything. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 03:58:36 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:58:36 +0200 Subject: Need Startup Help Kbuntu In-Reply-To: <477ACD8E.9070903@optusnet.com.au> References: <200712310552.lBV5q4e1019370@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <477ACD8E.9070903@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801020558.36144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Clark, I'll give it a go. > I have come up with a reference (a new set of dictionaries) from the > people who sold me the Kbuntu distribution. Unusual to have been *sold* Kubuntu. Not impossible I suppose, just news. > seems to be a bug that no one has picked up on; what should be done > about that? If you can pin the bug down and reproduce it, then I'd go looking for a bug reporting web site related to OOO development, join it and check that it's not already known. If not, then post your bug and the steps to trigger it. > en_AU_V2.2.0.zip > > (right click didn't work, left click and save to desktop - is this OK) Sure, that's just gui behaviour that depends on what app is handling the link. There are many flavours of what may happen, all depending on user settings etc. As long as you get the file okay. > hyph_en_AU.dic > (this one was different, it downloaded a file starts with an ISO No. > already unpacked?) Not sure - I'm trying the URL but can't connect. It's not impossible for a URL named X to actually download Y, but it's not kosher. If you expect blah.dic and *don't* get blah.dic then you prob. have the wrong file. > NOTE: Thanks to Tauroka for advising that Linux/Unix/BSD are sensitive > to a final carriage return at the end of files. For Linux/Unix/BSD a > final carriage return needs to be added to the dictionary.lst file. This one is irksome, but not rocket-science. You can append an enter in a text editor and save. > If you're using *Kubuntu (KDE)*, press Alt-F2 and type > kdesu konqueror (this doesn't work but I can open a terminal if this is > what is needed ?) What happens when you try? I just did: ALT-F2 Run Command window opens, I typed: kdesu konqueror Konqueror opened and I can now root around my system with it. The steps you need to take involve many operations like changing directories and unzipping stuff, I'd focus on getting Konqueror to open in root mode and leave the command line (konsole, console etc.) for another day. > Go to (do I do this in command line ?? if so where do I get command line > instructions) They mean once you have konqueror open as root (kdesu) go to that path. You can go there as a normal user, only you can't write or rename files. > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo FYI: From the command line (cli) this is: cd /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo [cd means Change Directory] > Find the file > dictionary.lst > rename it to dictionary.lstold This sounds odd, assuming OOO needs 'dictionary.lst' if you rename it then it's not there anymore - I'd make a copy. Don't forget to add the enter at the end of the file - open it in Kate (from Konqueror, double-click should work; else right-click->open with) > drag the unzipped dictionary files into /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo > (this suggests that it is done in windows, is that possible / ok) Nothing to do with windows, most file managing apps use drag and drop. Konqueror is no different. Just locate the right files and select them in whatever way (I use ctrl key and click them to select) and then, an easier way, Copy them (ctrl + C, or right click selection-> Copy). Then go to the new directory and Paste them (Ctrl + V). To do this from the cli can get a little hairy for a new-comer. You'd use the cp (copy) command. At this point, I'd really stick to Konqueror. > (I am a little suspicious that this will still have the same problem if > the bug is due to the combination of options selected on start-up which > I am fairly sure is the case) It sounds like it may work - mainly because the app, on startup, is expecting to find X,Y and Z in certain places and if it finds them then it will setup itself accordingly; so give it a go. > You did ask that I keep you posted on any progress with this issue and > your comment and advice is still much needed. Good on you. I hope I didn't miss anything and that this gets you a step closer. BTW: If you use the ">" character in your emails and weave your questions around the pasted text then it shows up in email clients in a way that's far easier to read. It was kind of hard to spot your questions from the rest of the text. Eg: >> Some text >Some reply to text Most recent comment on the above This way, on reply, the email client will keep adding '>' and things become clearer. Also edit the email and delete sundry stuff not pertinent to the flow. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 04:06:31 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:06:31 +0200 Subject: Further ? OOO In-Reply-To: <477ADDCC.6090608@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ADDCC.6090608@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801020606.31232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Clark, > 1. I delete / remove OOO > How? Given that OOO comes as a package on *buntu I'd *hope* one could remove it via the manager (Adept or Synaptic) - but it may be too tightly bound to a bunch of other packages to actually give you a pain-free time of it. > 2. Reinstall > How? If the packaged version is the problem then re-using it won't really help. It sounds like one of those times that going to the latest version is needed. I would fetch the app from OOO's website and figure out how to install it - and then install it to some totally different directory, maybe /opt which is where stuff like that goes. > 3. run with defaults unchanged and if spell works > 4. Personalise the options 1by 1 until it stops working Yes sounds good. You will burn a lot of time though. Perhaps a web-search of bugs already reported will yield better results. After that, I'd try to use the OOO version, as-installed by *buntu, and document the steps to demonstrate the bug. Include your O/S version and OOO version numbers and then report that as a bug. No need to get all forensic, simply show others how to fall over the same problem. > I suspect command line is the way to go. The cli is always the way to go :D But you don't need to add suffering to woe right now - it's a thing worth learning, but KISS for the moment. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 04:10:26 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:10:26 +0200 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801020610.26177.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 2. How do I copy the error message so I can paste it into a Email and > forward it. I have not bothered with Dolphin, but the general recipe is to start apps from a konsole when you are keen on seeing output. Not all apps will output anything, but some have flags that tell them to. You can then select that and paste it into wherever. So: 1. Open konsole 2. Type: dolphin 3. Hit enter. 4. Do what you did to get the error, look at the output on the cli. Failing all that, you'd have to start taking screenshots :( (install ksnapshot, that's quite handy.) \d From tim at johnsons-web.com Wed Jan 2 05:17:52 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:17:52 -0900 Subject: Automatically Starting a Script In-Reply-To: <200801012153.51001.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200801012153.51001.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801012017.52354.tim@johnsons-web.com> On Tuesday 01 January 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > When I restart my session, the shell scripts are _not_ > > executed. > > Any ideas of how to get the scripts to automatically be > > launched? > > I bet it's because they're shell scripts, and the session manager is only > looking at applications that are running directly, instead of underneath an > invisible instance of a shell. I don't know if that's true, and I have no > insider knowledge of how any of that works, but I do have an idea for a > workaround. Why not start one instance of each out of a run box, so > instead of having something like this in the process table: > > /bin/bash /home/you/bin/emacs-foo-script > > You'll have something like this instead: > > /bin/emacs option option option foo foo foo > > (Or xemacs or whatever. I don't speak emacs.) > > Why not try setting it up that way and save the session, then see what > happens? If it was a stupid suggestion, at least it shouldn't waste vast > amounts of your time or cause any irreparable harm to anything. Hi: Thanks for bringing that up. I did the following: From the 'run command' dialog box, executed emacs22-x --title Py-Macs -geometry 132x72+1+1 -eval "(color-theme-tj-dark-blue)" and the instance started as requested. Logged out and logged back in. KDE just restarted emacs _without_ the options. Would be really cool if KDE had a sort of init.d where you could specificy scripts or applications with specific options. cheers tim From karlok at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 2 05:28:22 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:28:22 -0800 Subject: Automatically Starting a Script In-Reply-To: <200801012017.52354.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200801012153.51001.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801012017.52354.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <477B20F6.7030305@fastmail.fm> Tim Johnson wrote: > Would be really cool if KDE had a sort of init.d where you > could specificy scripts or applications with specific options. > It is: ~/.kde/Autostart Karl From deeguz at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 07:33:17 2008 From: deeguz at gmail.com (deguz) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:33:17 +0100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: > 1. Dolphin gives an error message on closure "Dolphin can't save > bookmarks ......" Hi! This helped me in the same problem: Try: sudo chown I hope it helps. deguz From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 2 08:40:25 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:40:25 +0000 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> Clark wrote: > Another problem, > > 1. Dolphin gives an error message on closure "Dolphin can't save > bookmarks ......" > 2. How do I copy the error message so I can paste it into a Email and > forward it. > > Thanks, > > Clark. > > expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. This happens when you run dolphin (or any GUI) with sudo (as opposed to kdesu/kdesudo). Terence From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Jan 2 09:07:37 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:07:37 +0100 Subject: Further ? OOO In-Reply-To: <200801020606.31232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477ADDCC.6090608@optusnet.com.au> <200801020606.31232.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801021007.37630.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 05:06, Donn wrote: > After that, I'd try to use the OOO version, as-installed by *buntu, and > document the steps to demonstrate the bug. Perhaps submit this to the list and see if someone can confirm the bug. > Include your O/S version and OOO > version numbers and then report that as a bug. First check it hasn't been already reported. > No need to get all forensic, > simply show others how to fall over the same problem. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #345: Having to manually track the satellite From cschult at gmx.de Wed Jan 2 09:12:47 2008 From: cschult at gmx.de (Christian Schult) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:12:47 +0100 Subject: How to add new ttf fonts ? In-Reply-To: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> References: <200801011104.23613.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> Message-ID: <20080102091247.GA28403@jazz.cocis.de> Hello homayoon, * homayoon taheri : > How can I add new ttf fonts to kubuntu 7.10 With KDE: K-Menu -> System Settings -> Appearance -> Font Installer. You can install fonts into your home, what I would prefer, or use administrator mode to install fonts into the system for all users. The downloaded fonts you want to install should be unzipped to an temporary directory before to select them from there. Christian -- (morganj): 0 is false and 1 is true, correct? (alec_eso): 1, morganj (morganj): bastard. http://www.bash.org/?10958 From cschult at gmx.de Wed Jan 2 10:08:02 2008 From: cschult at gmx.de (Christian Schult) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:08:02 +0100 Subject: procmail - can it send a notification email? In-Reply-To: <200712302257.38435.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200712302257.38435.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <20080102100802.GA6837@jazz.cocis.de> Hello David, David Fletcher wrote: [...] > >from bash on the server "just works" and sends the email to me via my service > provider. What I want to do if possible is work this command into a > procmailrc recipe so that procmail notifies me that she has email, without > saying what the email is or where it's from. That's her business. > > What I have at the moment is this:- > > :0 > * ^To.*wife@ > { > :0: > wife > > :0 A > (sendEmail \ > -f procmail at example.com \ > -t me at example.com \ > -u "Notification" \ > -m "Your wife has new email" \ > -s auth.smtp.example.com \ > -xu userid -xp password) > } > > which is made up from what I've found in the man pages and google. The message > gets delivered to the mail box, but I can't get it to send the notification. > Am I taking a reasonable approach or is this completely wrong? Looks good to me, maybe the round brackets aren't needed. What's in the logfiles? Turn logging on in .procmailrc: PMDIR="$HOME/.procmail # where your procmail files reside LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log LOGABSTRACT=all VERBOSE=on Also look into the log of sendEmail to see if the mail was even generated and track the way the mail took. Christian From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Jan 2 12:25:58 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:25:58 +0100 Subject: KMail from many platforms In-Reply-To: <1866838.vUIY1VpRIm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200712051910.17327.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200712311853.54987.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <1866838.vUIY1VpRIm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801021325.58691.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 31 December 2007 20:17, Derek Broughton wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > I installed postfix and created an IMAP account in KMail. > > KMail first connected to localhost but the IMAP folder never got new mail > > (although I could copy some there from within KMail ) > > Almost certainly because postfix is dropping mail in /var/mail/$USER/ or > dovecot is looking for it in ~/Maildir/ Not so, I get new mail in ~/Maildir/... > > > I played for days with the postfix and dovecot config files and > > ownership/authorisations of my folders and as a result I messed up things > > that functionned previously. Now KMail tells me it cannot connect to > > localhost. > > dovecot's not running. Right, thanks, it was running at some time ( I checked with ps) but at some point it stopped. I didn't notice because (to be sure it would take modifications of the config file) I used to stop and restart it... the sudo /etc/init.d/dovecot start was silent and ineffective. I had tried to reinstall dovecot to no avail. It started to work again after a sudo apt-get --purge remove dovecot-common dovecot-imapd and reinstall (well I guess) :o):o) As a bonus I receive the log messages. Dovecot-log: dovecot: Jan 01 18:37:10 Error: IMAP(Perry): mkdir(/home/Perry/Maildir/cur) failed: Permission denied (*)see more about that later Sendmail does send new messages in the new directory next to this cur (which exists already) I have been fighting with this for weeks, trying to change owner and permissions for Maildir and settings in config file. (*)Then I noticed there is no /home/Perry/Maildir/cur, only a /home/perry/Maildir/cur (no capital on perry). The capital P probably comes from my account in KMail, I'll investigate... Have to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd to have perry uncapitalised also. The dummer the mistake, the harder to correct. Great, now it works, I get mail in the IMAP folder. :o)) I will now experiment and probably come back with new questions. Thanks a lot Perry -- BOFH excuse #200: The monitor needs another box of pixels From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 2 14:07:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:07:21 -0400 Subject: Automatically Starting a Script References: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200801012153.51001.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <7903059.jGMBmD0g8z@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> When I restart my session, the shell scripts are _not_ >> executed. >> Any ideas of how to get the scripts to automatically be >> launched? > > I bet it's because they're shell scripts, and the session manager is only > looking at applications that are running directly, The "session manager" is, I believe, only actually handling the _KDE_ session - I don't think even Firefox is handled by the session manager (though it has session management, it seems different - so I believe it handles it itself). I'm not sure why KDE moved (I think in the migration from 2.x to 3.0) the Autostart folder off the desktop (or perhaps it never was standard in KDE but that's where it was when I started in Corel Linux), but that's what you need, as Karl said. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 2 14:15:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:15:19 -0400 Subject: KMail from many platforms References: <200712051910.17327.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200712311853.54987.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <1866838.vUIY1VpRIm@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801021325.58691.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <1238050.6WYd6LqlLl@cedar.serverforest.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Monday 31 December 2007 20:17, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >> > I installed postfix and created an IMAP account in KMail. >> > KMail first connected to localhost but the IMAP folder never got new >> > mail (although I could copy some there from within KMail ) >> >> Almost certainly because postfix is dropping mail in /var/mail/$USER/ or >> dovecot is looking for it in ~/Maildir/ > Not so, I get new mail in ~/Maildir/... So you said, but you're not seeing it in KMail - so either it's directly related to the fact that dovecot wasn't running, or dovecot is looking elsewhere... see below. > As a bonus I receive the log messages. > > Dovecot-log: > dovecot: Jan 01 18:37:10 Error: IMAP(Perry): > mkdir(/home/Perry/Maildir/cur) > failed: Permission denied (*)see more about that later Ah so - obviously, dovecot _is_ looking elsewhere. > > Sendmail does send new messages in the new directory next to this cur > (which exists already) > I have been fighting with this for weeks, trying to change owner and > permissions for Maildir and settings in config file. > > (*)Then I noticed there is no /home/Perry/Maildir/cur, only > a /home/perry/Maildir/cur (no capital on perry). > The capital P probably comes from my account in KMail, I'll investigate... Yes. > Have to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd to have perry uncapitalised also. NO!!! In fact, you shouldn't ever need to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd - it's all pam based, and if the mail user has a linux account, that should be used. I hadn't even realized I _could_ modify passwords directly - I just create a non-login user account for every extra mail account I want. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 16:41:23 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:41:23 +0200 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) Message-ID: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, I'd like to have a site that I can brain-dump to now and then - to cover my few dev projects and house tutorials and so forth. Can anyone reccommend sites? I ain't got no money, so it has to be free. I'd be uploading images and files now and then, so some space too. Or am I smoking my socks :) \d From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 16:44:09 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:44:09 -0500 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2008 11:41 AM, Donn wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to have a site that I can brain-dump to now and then - to cover > my > few dev projects and house tutorials and so forth. Can anyone reccommend > sites? I ain't got no money, so it has to be free. I'd be uploading images > and files now and then, so some space too. > > Or am I smoking my socks :) > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hi Donn, Have you looked into WordPress yet? http://wordpress.org/ That should cover all of the bases for you. --Robert Menes (Kubuntu user and loving it!) -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ============================== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1.2 GCS/S/M/MU d- s+: a28 C++(+++) UL++++>$ P++ L+++ E+ W+ N+ o+ K++ w--- O- M !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP(+) t+ 5++ X++ R tv b+++ DI+++ D++(---) G++ e+ h- r++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 16:46:12 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:46:12 -0500 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801020846o54328a34uf7823a631beb28b5@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 2, 2008 11:41 AM, Donn wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to have a site that I can brain-dump to now and then - to cover my > few dev projects and house tutorials and so forth. Can anyone reccommend > sites? I ain't got no money, so it has to be free. I'd be uploading images > and files now and then, so some space too. > > Or am I smoking my socks :) > > \d Maybe Wordpress: http://wordpress.com/ Or Google's Blogger: http://www.blogger.com/ There are plenty of free weblogging sites out there, but these two are pretty popular. Wordpress also makes free and easy to install blogging software if you ever look at maintaining your own server... HTH, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 16:59:46 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:59:46 +0200 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801020846o54328a34uf7823a631beb28b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9bed467e0801020846o54328a34uf7823a631beb28b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801021859.46942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Thanks - I'll go have a look. \d From tim at johnsons-web.com Wed Jan 2 17:03:22 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:03:22 -0900 Subject: Automatically Starting a Script In-Reply-To: <7903059.jGMBmD0g8z@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801011721.58934.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200801012153.51001.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <7903059.jGMBmD0g8z@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801020803.22150.tim@johnsons-web.com> On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > The "session manager" is, I believe, only actually handling the _KDE_ > session - I don't think even Firefox is handled by the session manager > (though it has session management, it seems different - so I believe it > handles it itself). > > I'm not sure why KDE moved (I think in the migration from 2.x to 3.0) the > Autostart folder off the desktop (or perhaps it never was standard in KDE > but that's where it was when I started in Corel Linux), but that's what you > need, as Karl said. Yes. All I needed was symlinks in ~/.kde/Autostart Thanks folks. That was very useful help. cheers tim From kevin at kevinkempterllc.com Wed Jan 2 17:15:45 2008 From: kevin at kevinkempterllc.com (Kevin Kempter) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:15:45 -0700 Subject: recommended wireless PCMCIA cards? Message-ID: <200801021015.45511.kevin@kevinkempterllc.com> Hi List; I'm setting up linux for a friend on an AMD box with a built-in broadcom wireless chip and I'm done trying to get the broadcom chip to work. Can someone recommend a PCMCIA wireless card that works well with ndiswrapper ? Thanks in advance From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 17:38:55 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:38:55 +0200 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801020846o54328a34uf7823a631beb28b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9bed467e0801020846o54328a34uf7823a631beb28b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801021938.56056.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > http://wordpress.com/ > http://www.blogger.com/ From what I can tell WP offers 50m of storage (but I can't upload tars or zips or svgs). Blogger offers 1gig! of space (again, only images from what I can tell) and it sounds like another whole set of login stuff to hassle with. Anyone have a favourite, and a reason? \d From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 17:58:43 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: <200801021841.23081.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <366022.88120.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> wordpress.com is a good site. Have fun! --- Donn wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to have a site that I can brain-dump to now and then - to > cover my > few dev projects and house tutorials and so forth. Can anyone > reccommend > sites? I ain't got no money, so it has to be free. I'd be uploading > images > and files now and then, so some space too. > > Or am I smoking my socks :) > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jan 2 18:06:58 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:06:58 -0500 Subject: recommended wireless PCMCIA cards? In-Reply-To: <200801021015.45511.kevin@kevinkempterllc.com> References: <200801021015.45511.kevin@kevinkempterllc.com> Message-ID: <200801021306.58529.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Kevin Kempter wrote: >Hi List; > >I'm setting up linux for a friend on an AMD box with a built-in broadcom >wireless chip and I'm done trying to get the broadcom chip to work. Can >someone recommend a PCMCIA wireless card that works well with ndiswrapper ? > >Thanks in advance Almost any Atheros based card will work. Probably OOTB once you've configured the network settings. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Leona, I want to CONFESS things to you ... I want to WRAP you in a SCARLET ROBE trimmed with POLYVINYL CHLORIDE ... I want to EMPTY your ASHTRAYS ... From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 2 18:31:29 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:31:29 -0500 Subject: recommended wireless PCMCIA cards? In-Reply-To: <200801021306.58529.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200801021015.45511.kevin@kevinkempterllc.com> <200801021306.58529.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <477BD881.7050001@sbcglobal.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Kevin Kempter wrote: > >> Hi List; >> >> I'm setting up linux for a friend on an AMD box with a built-in broadcom >> wireless chip and I'm done trying to get the broadcom chip to work. Can >> someone recommend a PCMCIA wireless card that works well with ndiswrapper ? >> >> Thanks in advance >> > > Almost any Atheros based card will work. Probably OOTB once you've configured > the network settings. > > The best working PCMCIA cards for Linux are the Orinoco Gold cards and their real cheap on Ebay. Go onto ebay.com and do a search for "Orinoco Gold Cards" I can also use the Gold Cards with a PCI adapter on a PC. Go onto google and do a search for "pcipc" and you will see a pci adapter that will work right out of the box with a Orinoco Gold Card plugged in. Goto website below and see pci adapter I'm speaking of, there are number of pci adapters out there, but you only want to get the adapter that has the main chipset of a Texas Instument Logo on it , and the crosshatch in where the pcmcia card goes. The pci adapters that have a PLX or Ricoh cipset won't work in Linux. http://houston.craigslist.org/sys/493864939.html From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jan 2 19:28:21 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:28:21 -0600 Subject: PCI Wireless Card Message-ID: <477BE5D5.7030207@swbell.net> We have a Belkin PCI wireless card with an Atheros chip set. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? I'm thinking that it would probably work because the PCMCIA card work. From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 2 19:51:03 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:51:03 +1100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <477BEB27.3020409@optusnet.com.au> Terence Simpson wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> Another problem, >> >> 1. Dolphin gives an error message on closure "Dolphin can't save >> bookmarks ......" >> 2. How do I copy the error message so I can paste it into a Email and >> forward it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Clark. >> >> >> > expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): > ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. > This happens when you run dolphin (or any GUI) with sudo (as opposed to > kdesu/kdesudo). > > Terence > > > Thanks Terence, as a someone new to Linux the above though no doubt helpful to the experienced Linux user, is meaningless to me. Can you or someone explain or describe more fully what this means, how much of the above is entered on the command line, is the ~ a literal entry or does it imply prior knowledge. Assistance please, what goes where and how much. And by the way is this a reported Bug? Clark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 2 20:20:05 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:20:05 +0000 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477BEB27.3020409@optusnet.com.au> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <477BEB27.3020409@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477BF1F5.8060109@stdin.me.uk> Clark wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: >> Clark wrote: >> >>> Another problem, >>> >>> 1. Dolphin gives an error message on closure "Dolphin can't save >>> bookmarks ......" >>> 2. How do I copy the error message so I can paste it into a Email >>> and forward it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Clark. >>> >>> >> expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): >> ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. >> This happens when you run dolphin (or any GUI) with sudo (as opposed to >> kdesu/kdesudo). >> >> Terence >> >> >> > Thanks Terence, > > as a someone new to Linux the above though no doubt helpful to the > experienced Linux user, is meaningless to me. Can you or someone > explain or describe more fully what this means, how much of the above > is entered on the command line, is the ~ a literal entry or does it > imply prior knowledge. Assistance please, what goes where and how > much. And by the way is this a reported Bug? > > Clark > > Hi, Everything inside the quotes is supposed to go on the command line, just copy & paste that line (when you enter ~ into a shell it get's replaced by the location of your home directory, usually /home/username). This particular bug happens when the application is ran with sudo (the command you prefix other commands to run them with root privileges), so when that application tries to save a file (your bookmarks in this case) it writes it as root. The problem with sudo is that it keeps your current home directory set, rather than setting it to roots, this can cause problems as you've found out. The bug as been reported against kdesudo a while ago (and has been fixed to my knowledge). kdesu and kdesudo do some special things to set the right environment up before running the graphical application that sudo does not (as it's only supposed to be used for command line applications), so just remember to use kdesu to run graphical applications as root if you ever need to. The link to the bug report is I hope this has answered all your questions :) Terence From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 2 20:40:03 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:40:03 +0100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> Terence Simpson wrote: > expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): > ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. I think the command should rather be this: sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ Nils From laurent.asorne at gmx.lu Wed Jan 2 20:46:31 2008 From: laurent.asorne at gmx.lu (Laurent) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:46:31 +0100 Subject: Virtual Screen Resolution Message-ID: <200801022146.31869.laurent.asorne@gmx.lu> Hi there! For a friend of mine, I need to know how I can set my screen resolution so that my desktop is larger than my screen. I know I have to edit /etc/xorg.conf file but what must I put in there? It should have the effect of a screen magnifier where the whole desktop is enlarged (a simple magnifier would just enlarge a part of the screen). I've searched for that topic in kubuntu forums, but only found mails which talk about the other way round (= of how to get rid of virtual resolution). Thanks for your advice! Laurent -- And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. From cschult at gmx.de Wed Jan 2 20:57:35 2008 From: cschult at gmx.de (Christian Schult) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:57:35 +0100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477BF1F5.8060109@stdin.me.uk> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <477BEB27.3020409@optusnet.com.au> <477BF1F5.8060109@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <20080102205735.GB6837@jazz.cocis.de> Hello Terence, Terence Simpson wrote: > Hi, Everything inside the quotes is supposed to go on the command line, > just copy & paste that line (when you enter ~ into a shell it get's > replaced by the location of your home directory, usually /home/username). > This particular bug happens when the application is ran with sudo (the > command you prefix other commands to run them with root privileges), so > when that application tries to save a file (your bookmarks in this case) > it writes it as root. The problem with sudo is that it keeps your > current home directory set, rather than setting it to roots, this can > cause problems as you've found out. It's not a bug in sudo, it works as designed. See option -H. Christian From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 2 21:15:24 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:15:24 +1100 Subject: Options To get Working Message-ID: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Thunderbird without the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a photo but it is huge; I selected storage media from the system menu to save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, the relevant Help files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the message no help files; I tried to Rip a DVD and KB3 just sits there without moving, it won't even play the DVD. It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or is this "what you see is what you get Linux". Clark From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Wed Jan 2 21:49:55 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:49:55 +1100 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B7F4@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> >> http://wordpress.com/ >> http://www.blogger.com/ >From what I can tell WP offers 50m of storage (but I can't upload tars or zips >or svgs). Blogger offers 1gig! of space (again, only images from what I can >tell) and it sounds like another whole set of login stuff to hassle with. > >Anyone have a favourite, and a reason? > >\d Most (if not all) free blog hosts won't let you upload files (other than images)...typically files aren't involved in a blog post anyways (usually just words, images and links). As for a favourite, the two top free ones, WordPress and Googles Blogger cater for differing audiences: WordPress is fantastic if you want to do lots of customisation to your layout and structure (even if you're leaving it hosted on their servers) and as mentioned you can even host it on your own server if you want to tinker with it even more (it's a nice blogging engine and easy to play around with, much easier than TypePad IMO). Blogger is the best if you just want to get straight in there and write your thoughts, forget about making it look too personal, just dive straight in and write away. In a nutshell, for customisation and personalisation (and the choice of running it on your own server later, so you can include file upload etc), WordPress is the go (although its default theme is ugly IMO) however if you want ease of use and want to get typing ASAP, I'd say go with Blogger. Good luck! -Mal From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jan 2 22:28:38 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:28:38 -0500 Subject: recommended wireless PCMCIA cards? In-Reply-To: <477BD881.7050001@sbcglobal.net> References: <200801021015.45511.kevin@kevinkempterllc.com> <200801021306.58529.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <477BD881.7050001@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200801021728.38577.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Jim wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Kevin Kempter wrote: >>> Hi List; >>> >>> I'm setting up linux for a friend on an AMD box with a built-in broadcom >>> wireless chip and I'm done trying to get the broadcom chip to work. Can >>> someone recommend a PCMCIA wireless card that works well with ndiswrapper >>> ? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >> >> Almost any Atheros based card will work. Probably OOTB once you've >> configured the network settings. > >The best working PCMCIA cards for Linux are the Orinoco Gold cards and >their real cheap on Ebay. >Go onto ebay.com and do a search for "Orinoco Gold Cards" > >I can also use the Gold Cards with a PCI adapter on a PC. Go onto >google and do a search for "pcipc" >and you will see a pci adapter that will work right out of the box with >a Orinoco Gold Card plugged in. > >Goto website below and see pci adapter I'm speaking of, there are number >of pci adapters out there, but you only >want to get the adapter that has the main chipset of a Texas Instument >Logo on it , and the crosshatch in where >the pcmcia card goes. The pci adapters that have a PLX or Ricoh cipset >won't work in Linux. > > http://houston.craigslist.org/sys/493864939.html Thanks, but is that not the same chipset under the stickers? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will never change our minds. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 2 22:34:21 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:34:21 +0000 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <20080102205735.GB6837@jazz.cocis.de> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <477BEB27.3020409@optusnet.com.au> <477BF1F5.8060109@stdin.me.uk> <20080102205735.GB6837@jazz.cocis.de> Message-ID: <477C116D.4080104@stdin.me.uk> Christian Schult wrote: > Hello Terence, > > Terence Simpson wrote: > > >> Hi, Everything inside the quotes is supposed to go on the command line, >> just copy & paste that line (when you enter ~ into a shell it get's >> replaced by the location of your home directory, usually /home/username). >> This particular bug happens when the application is ran with sudo (the >> command you prefix other commands to run them with root privileges), so >> when that application tries to save a file (your bookmarks in this case) >> it writes it as root. The problem with sudo is that it keeps your >> current home directory set, rather than setting it to roots, this can >> cause problems as you've found out. >> > > It's not a bug in sudo, it works as designed. See option -H. > > > Christian > > I didn't say it was a bug in sudo, I said there was a bug in kdesudo. Terence From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 2 22:35:13 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:35:13 +0000 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> Nils Kassube wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > >> expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): >> ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. >> > > I think the command should rather be this: > > sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ > > > Nils > > Both work, if you don't fill in a group it uses your primary group. Terence From anton at wilddsl.net.au Thu Jan 3 02:23:15 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:23:15 +1100 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477C4713.9070901@wilddsl.net.au> Hi Clark, Clark wrote: > I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Thunderbird without > the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a > photo but it is huge; I selected storage media from the system menu to > save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, the relevant Help > files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the > message no help files; I tried to Rip a DVD and KB3 just sits there > without moving, it won't even play the DVD. > It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. > Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or > is this "what you see is what you get Linux". > > Clark You will find any new operating system difficult to get used to at first. It's been a year for me and I feel pretty comfortable with Kubuntu now. I've got lots of prior console experience on other systems, though. (I recommend learning the console, it gives you more understanding and control.) Help for the DVD issue can be found at http://ubuntuforums.org Just search until you find a guide that is right for your version of Kubuntu. I'm on Kubuntu Feisty, and instructions similar to this page worked for me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413624 What's your version of Kubuntu ? Regards, Anton. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 06:20:55 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:20:55 +0200 Subject: How would I start a blog (for free) In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B7F4@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B7F4@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <200801030820.55505.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Thanks all, I went with Wordpress and I'll fiddle until I get the idea. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 07:00:57 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:00:57 +0200 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801030900.57512.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Clark, > It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. > Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or > is this "what you see is what you get Linux". I can see where you're coming from, and also where you are wrong. On one hand, there is a lot of noise about *buntu and Gnu/Linux being ready and a good "alternative". On the other there is the very different culture that produces Free (emancipated) software. The former makes is reasonable that people come to Kubuntu and expect it to 'just work'. The latter is what scares the same group away. Your only choice is to decide to stick with it - then you will be open to solving problems, and contributing back into the loop - versus deciding to move-on. You will find Ubuntu similar. You will find any distro similar. Perhaps some of the more commercial ones like Suse will handle some things better, but there will be other things that freak you out. Ask yourself if Windows (or Mac) ever did that to you; I'm sure the answer is yes. Software is software and to bug is human :) > I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Yes - that does suck. It's outrageous. But you went a long way towards fixing it and that makes it less of a problem for next time. Same as anything anywhere. > Thunderbird without > the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a > photo but it is huge; The right-click send stuff (AFAIK) is a desktop thing, not Tbird, and you can get handy menu extensions to do all kinds of tricks. I can send you one I created to let you compress to a size you are happy with before it attaches anything to email. Just an example, there are options. > I selected storage media from the system menu to > save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, Floppies have been getting less and less important. I noticed this shift a few years ago and I also had to battle to get them working. State of the situation I'm afraid. > the relevant Help > files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the > message no help files; Thus the opportunity to learn something new (about the cli, in this case). You have to think in terms like that or Gnu/Linux (or any new o/s) will drive you mad. I hope you stick around, it's very rewarding and you'll find that most problems are quickly resolved (keep notes!), and that others one learns to live with and wait for new versions. Or, roll your own! \d From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jan 3 06:29:05 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:29:05 +0100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801030729.05467.kassube@gmx.net> Terence Simpson wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > > Terence Simpson wrote: > >> expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): > >> ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. > > > > I think the command should rather be this: > > > > sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ > > > > > > Nils > > Both work, if you don't fill in a group it uses your primary group. Ah, it is nice to learn something new on this list every other day. However, the second $(whoami) wasn't the reason for my mail. The real reason was that there is no sudo option "-r" or command "-r". OTOH, to make sure there is no other file left with wrong permissions, it might be wise to change the entire $HOME or at least $HOME/.kde/ directory. Nils From stdin at stdin.me.uk Thu Jan 3 07:23:25 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:23:25 +0000 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <200801030729.05467.kassube@gmx.net> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> <200801030729.05467.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <477C8D6D.7040207@stdin.me.uk> Nils Kassube wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Nils Kassube wrote: >> >>> Terence Simpson wrote: >>> >>>> expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): >>>> ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. >>>> >>> I think the command should rather be this: >>> >>> sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ >>> >>> >>> Nils >>> >> Both work, if you don't fill in a group it uses your primary group. >> > > Ah, it is nice to learn something new on this list every other day. > However, the second $(whoami) wasn't the reason for my mail. The real > reason was that there is no sudo option "-r" or command "-r". > > OTOH, to make sure there is no other file left with wrong permissions, it > might be wise to change the entire $HOME or at least $HOME/.kde/ > directory. > > > Nils > > Well, yes, that's the quick and dirty way ;) As long as you don't change the actual permissions (just the user:group) that would be 100% safe to do. Terence From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 09:59:34 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:59:34 +0200 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477CB206.9080003@gmail.com> Clark wrote: > I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Thunderbird without > the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a > photo but it is huge; I selected storage media from the system menu to > save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, the relevant Help > files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the > message no help files; I tried to Rip a DVD and KB3 just sits there > without moving, it won't even play the DVD. > It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. > Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or > is this "what you see is what you get Linux". > I suspect that KFloppy is not installed - see the "Add/Remove Program" in the menu and you will find it. As for not playing DVD that has got to do with restrictions on licensing. Start Adept (in System in menu) and find "kubuntu-restricted-extras" and install, I think that will fix it. Sinclair From cschult at gmx.de Thu Jan 3 10:45:57 2008 From: cschult at gmx.de (Christian Schult) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:45:57 +0100 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20080103104557.GA28251@jazz.cocis.de> Hello Clark, Clark wrote: > I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Maybe you have to install myspell-en-au to have spellchecking with openoffice.org. Christian -- This is a test of the emergency signature system. Were this an actual signature, you would see amusing mottos, disclaimers, a zillion net addresses, or edifying philisophical statements. This is only a test. From valtermura at yahoo.it Thu Jan 3 10:47:00 2008 From: valtermura at yahoo.it (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:47:00 +0100 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801031147.01109.valtermura@yahoo.it> Il mercoledì 2 gennaio 2008 22:15:24 Clark ha scritto: Hi Clark, I'm also quite new to Linux > I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; my system works well, also with spellchecker (if you mean grammar check, actually is not developed in OOo) > Thunderbird without > the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a > photo but it is huge; Well, I don't use TB, but with Kmail (please try it) it is very easy, you just right click in Dolphin (the file manager/browser) on a picture and it opens a new message with the attachment. > I selected storage media from the system menu to > save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, Well, do you still use floppy disks? ;-) > the relevant Help > files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the > message no help files; there are the man pages that help you in an extensive way, remember that the most Linux systems are developed by volunteers and some things lacks, but man system is good (imho) > I tried to Rip a DVD and KB3 just sits there > without moving, it won't even play the DVD. I've already ripped DVD and CD and KB3 worked quite well, perhaps you wrong something in some passages... > It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. > Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or > is this "what you see is what you get Linux". I thought the same before, and I still have some problems with some hardware, but you need to start thinking that Linux doesn't work in the same way than Windows. Uncle Bill doesn't want us to think in front of a comp, Linux system does. I realized that with Windows you just press idiotically the keys in the keyboard while in Linux you need (for more complex problems) "also" to think. Linux also offers to you the opportunity to know what are you doing inside "your comp", while Windows doesn't in most cases (have you ever read its licence agreement? Painfully) This is my humble opinion, the one of a very newbie in this world. If you have problems, the community is here to help you! Cheers -- Valter Gnupg key: 0x9A058949 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo. From spwhite at freesurf.ch Thu Jan 3 10:45:15 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:45:15 +0100 Subject: KMail from many platforms In-Reply-To: <1238050.6WYd6LqlLl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200712051910.17327.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801021325.58691.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <1238050.6WYd6LqlLl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801031145.15324.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 15:15:19 Derek Broughton wrote: > > (*)Then I noticed there is no /home/Perry/Maildir/cur, only > > a /home/perry/Maildir/cur (no capital on perry). > > The capital P probably comes from my account in KMail, I'll > > investigate... > > Yes. > > > Have to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd to have perry uncapitalised also. > > NO!!! In fact, you shouldn't ever need to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd - Dovecot was trying to make a dir in /home/Perry/Maildir/ (capital "P") because my IMAP account in KMail had Perry as the user. I could not login as perry (small "p") because my /etc/dovecot/passwd file contained: perry:{PLAIN}Mypassword I had to make it match. > it's all pam based, and if the mail user has a linux account, that should > be used. Not sure I understand. I have a Linux account, I guess ;-) (whoami =>perry) but the dovecot Mypassword is not my sudoers password. > I hadn't even realized I _could_ modify passwords directly - I > just create a non-login user account for every extra mail account I want. Are you suggesting I create a sylvianeMail account for my wife with a sylvianeMail:{PLAIN}Herpassword and another IMAP account in KMail? That would allow for independant mail systems and necessitate a /home/sylviane/Maildir, interresting possibility but not wanted now. Or are you suggesting I create a psmail user and the corresponding account(s) in dovecot and KMail? Then I don't understand the reason why, perhaps safety, I must upgrade my notions about that and stuff like "non-login user account". P.S. Everything snaps together now, I discovered I could fetch new mail from the net the usual way in KMail, apply the filters (manually only) to incoming mail, have them delivered in the IMAP folders, and modifications from KMail of those folders was reflected (as you said) in ~/Maildir. I could also populate the folders in ~/Maildir with my old "KMail" files and see them appear in IMAP KMail. Just what I wanted ;-) I must experiment further, from the other KUbuntu account and then from Suse. I hope I will be able to answer by myself to most questions wether practical or theoretical but there is one question I don't expect to be able to answer, why does KMail keep a mailbox in /home/perry/.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap/ ? your help has been invaluable Perry -- BOFH excuse #35: working as designed From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 3 11:31:30 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:31:30 -0500 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <200801030729.05467.kassube@gmx.net> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> <200801030729.05467.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200801030631.30673.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 03 January 2008, Nils Kassube wrote: >Terence Simpson wrote: >> Nils Kassube wrote: >> > Terence Simpson wrote: >> >> expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): >> >> ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. >> > >> > I think the command should rather be this: >> > >> > sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ >> > >> > >> > Nils >> >> Both work, if you don't fill in a group it uses your primary group. > >Ah, it is nice to learn something new on this list every other day. >However, the second $(whoami) wasn't the reason for my mail. The real >reason was that there is no sudo option "-r" or command "-r". > >OTOH, to make sure there is no other file left with wrong permissions, it >might be wise to change the entire $HOME or at least $HOME/.kde/ >directory. > > >Nils You missed the fact its an uppercase -R, it means chown/chmod etc should operate recursively into any subdirs it finds in the given path. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) static from nylon underwear From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jan 3 14:52:07 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:52:07 -0600 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477C4713.9070901@wilddsl.net.au> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> <477C4713.9070901@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <477CF697.3000900@swbell.net> Clark wrote: > I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Thunderbird without > the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a > photo but it is huge; I selected storage media from the systemmenu to > save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, the relevant Help > files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the > message no help files; I tried to Rip a DVD and KB3 just sits there > without moving, it won't even play the DVD. > It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. > Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or > is this "what you see is what you get Linux". > > Clark > Clark, don't let it get you down. About three years ago I decided that I had enough of Windows. XP was taking away "my" computer. It was either do it "their" way or no way. I had a lot invested in PC architecture so a Mac was not a real option [ $$$ ]. That pretty much left Linux. It was VERY intimidating. Most things didn't work "Right Out Of The Box". It took me a while to get everything working as it should. I "broke" it quite a few times before I learned what to do and what not to do. OK, some suggestions: Remember, Google is your friend. Especially Google Linux. Read the WIKI pages. Read the mail list. Ask questions. My old teachers said that the only stupid question was one not asked. Play with the buttons and switches. Don't be afraid to break it. It's tougher than it looks. Only as "Administrator" can you do any major damage. AND, IF, by some chance, you should break it just reinstall and don't do that again. Every time you get something to work, or break it, is a learning experience. Use it to your advantage. Above all, DON'T GIVE UP! Linux is a great OS [ pick your favorite flavor ]. Think of Windows as your computer on training wheels. Windows keeps you from getting all skinned up by falling over. Linux takes off the training wheels. [ Remember when your folks took off the training wheels on your bike? ] It's REALLY wobbly at first but soon your flying all over the neighborhood like an old pro. Remember that old poster of a kitten hanging off the side of a branch? Remember the caption? "Hang in there baby" From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 3 19:33:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:33:35 -0400 Subject: KMail from many platforms References: <200712051910.17327.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801021325.58691.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <1238050.6WYd6LqlLl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801031145.15324.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <2732710.ho4IaqyPii@cedar.serverforest.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Wednesday 02 January 2008 15:15:19 Derek Broughton wrote: >> > (*)Then I noticed there is no /home/Perry/Maildir/cur, only >> > a /home/perry/Maildir/cur (no capital on perry). >> > The capital P probably comes from my account in KMail, I'll >> > investigate... >> >> Yes. >> >> > Have to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd to have perry uncapitalised also. >> >> NO!!! In fact, you shouldn't ever need to modify /etc/dovecot/passwd - > Dovecot was trying to make a dir in /home/Perry/Maildir/ (capital "P") > because my IMAP account in KMail had Perry as the user. > I could not login as perry (small "p") because my /etc/dovecot/passwd file > contained: perry:{PLAIN}Mypassword > I had to make it match. >> it's all pam based, and if the mail user has a linux account, that should >> be used. > Not sure I understand. Exactly what I said. It's _pam_ based. There shouldn't even _be_ an /etc/dovecot/passwd file. Dovecot is practically installed complete when you apt-get it - the only thing I can think of that has to be modified is to actually enable the imap service. If you have a passwd file, you've been messing too much with the config. > Are you suggesting I create a sylvianeMail account for my wife with a > sylvianeMail:{PLAIN}Herpassword NO. > and another IMAP account in KMail? > That would allow for independant mail systems and necessitate a > /home/sylviane/Maildir, interresting possibility but not wanted now. So what? It's _just_ a directory. What's the problem with it? -- derek From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Thu Jan 3 22:30:12 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:30:12 +0000 Subject: procmail - can it send a notification email? Yes it can [solved] In-Reply-To: <20080102100802.GA6837@jazz.cocis.de> References: <200712302257.38435.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <20080102100802.GA6837@jazz.cocis.de> Message-ID: <200801032230.12430.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Here's what I have found to work for me:- :0 * ^To.*wife@ {  :0 c:  wife  :0  | (sendEmail \   -f procmail at example.com \   -t me at example.com \   -u "Notification" \   -m "Your wife has new email" \   -s auth.smtp.example.com \   -xu userid -xp password) } AFAICT the recipe terminates at the first delivery to a mailbox unless the c flag is used to tell it that it's a copy of the email and we're intending to do something else further on. Dave -- FACT - Millions of people worldwide continue to pay money to the richest person in the world to use his products, even though perfectly good software is given away completely free of charge by the open source community! I can't understand it either. Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From phillipd at oem.doe.gov Thu Jan 3 23:08:10 2008 From: phillipd at oem.doe.gov (Douglas Phillipson) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:08:10 -0800 Subject: Audio chatters when video plays in forefront Message-ID: <477D6ADA.6040302@oem.doe.gov> I'm using a GForce FX5200 video card, although this problem also exhibits itself on a Predator LT 4 PCI on Gutsy. Whenever I play video through any player, the audio chatters. If I place a terminal window or any other window in front of the Video the audio is fine. The audio gradually clears up as I slowly move any window in front of the video. Any ideas? LSPCI shows: 00:07.3 Bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-766 [ViperPlus] ACPI (rev 01) 00:07.4 USB Controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-766 [ViperPlus] USB (rev 07) 00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) 00:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 08) lsmod for sound stuff shows shows: snd_emu10k1_synth 8192 0 snd_emux_synth 35456 1 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_virmidi 8064 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth snd_emu10k1 137248 3 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_ac97_codec 100644 1 snd_emu10k1 ac97_bus 3200 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss 44672 0 snd_mixer_oss 17664 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 80388 4 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 11400 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd_util_mem 5760 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_hwdep 10244 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_seq_dummy 4740 0 snd_seq_oss 33152 0 snd_seq_midi 9600 0 snd_rawmidi 25728 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 8448 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 53232 10 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event cfi_cmdset_0002 24832 8 cfi_util 4480 1 cfi_cmdset_0002 jedec_probe 17920 0snd 54660 17 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device serio_raw 8068 0 i2c_amd756 7684 0 i2c_core 26112 1 i2c_amd756 soundcore 8800 1 snd snd_timer 24324 4 snd_rtctimer,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 4 07:11:18 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:11:18 +1100 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477CF697.3000900@swbell.net> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> <477C4713.9070901@wilddsl.net.au> <477CF697.3000900@swbell.net> Message-ID: <477DDC16.7080702@optusnet.com.au> Thanks for the kind words Billie, I'm locked in now but like you say "computing without training wheels" makes for some greatly expanded highs and unfortunately lows but the promise seems unlimited. Thanks again, Clark. Billie Walsh wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> I have a system that gives OOO without spellcheck; Thunderbird without >> the option of right click send photo in condensed form, it will send a >> photo but it is huge; I selected storage media from the systemmenu to >> save a file to Floppy and it can't find the Floppy, the relevant Help >> files either speak in command line (which I don't understand or give the >> message no help files; I tried to Rip a DVD and KB3 just sits there >> without moving, it won't even play the DVD. >> It seems I have wasted more than a week on Kbuntu, time to move on. >> Is there any chance that Ubuntu or some other distribution would work or >> is this "what you see is what you get Linux". >> >> Clark >> >> >> > > Clark, don't let it get you down. About three years ago I decided that I > had enough of Windows. XP was taking away "my" computer. It was either > do it "their" way or no way. I had a lot invested in PC architecture so > a Mac was not a real option [ $$$ ]. That pretty much left Linux. It was > VERY intimidating. Most things didn't work "Right Out Of The Box". It > took me a while to get everything working as it should. I "broke" it > quite a few times before I learned what to do and what not to do. > > OK, some suggestions: > > Remember, Google is your friend. Especially Google Linux. > > Read the WIKI pages. > > Read the mail list. > > Ask questions. My old teachers said that the only stupid question was > one not asked. > > Play with the buttons and switches. Don't be afraid to break it. It's > tougher than it looks. Only as "Administrator" can you do any major > damage. AND, IF, by some chance, you should break it just reinstall and > don't do that again. Every time you get something to work, or break it, > is a learning experience. Use it to your advantage. > > Above all, DON'T GIVE UP! Linux is a great OS [ pick your favorite > flavor ]. Think of Windows as your computer on training wheels. Windows > keeps you from getting all skinned up by falling over. Linux takes off > the training wheels. [ Remember when your folks took off the training > wheels on your bike? ] It's REALLY wobbly at first but soon your flying > all over the neighborhood like an old pro. > > Remember that old poster of a kitten hanging off the side of a branch? > Remember the caption? "Hang in there baby > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Fri Jan 4 10:56:14 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:56:14 +0000 Subject: Options To get Working In-Reply-To: <477CF697.3000900@swbell.net> References: <477BFEEC.5040405@optusnet.com.au> <477C4713.9070901@wilddsl.net.au> <477CF697.3000900@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20080104105333.6761C12882A@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 14:52 03/01/2008, you wrote: >Read the mail list. This is VERY important. Even if they don't seem relevant to you personally at the time, try to take a glance at all the threads. For instance, a couple of months or maybe longer ago there was one about the keyboard setting in xorg.conf being changed by installing an nvidia driver. This was of no relevance to me at the time but a few weeks ago I built a new dual core Athlon PC with an nvidia graphics card. I didn't want to buy an nvidia card, but chose that card because it has no fan so it is silent, it plugs into a PCI-E x16 socket, it has a DVI connector and a reviewer on ebuyer stated that it works with his Linux setup. Given this specification the choice of models is rather limited. Running it with the analog connector was never a problem but when I decided to move all my work over to this new machine during the Christmas break, and use the DVI connector instead, the damn thing just would not configure to use my 20 inch 1600x1200 TFT monitor properly. The only way I could get it to work properly was by installing the nvidia driver. Then came the interesting part. I always use kgpg to do symmetrical encryption on my backups because I keep copies all over the place, including the car glove box (off site storage!). When I needed to decrypt my backup on the new machine, kgpg insisted the password was wrong. I couldn't recover my backup. Damn Blast and everything else. Then remembered the posting about the nvidia driver. AHA! Fired up a text editor and tried some shifted number keys. The keyboard mapping was changed to the US settings! Tried all the keys to find out which ones produced the non-alpha numeric codes I used in the password, substituted these in the kgpg decryption dialog and PHEW this time it worked. It was a simple matter to then open xorg.conf with vim or joe, change "us" keyboard back to "gb" keyboard, reboot and everything was working properly. Yes, I could have plugged the old machine back in to do a non encrypted backup but that would have been a PITA, more time consuming and not half as much fun as finding out what was wrong. So, 1) Never wipe your old hard drive until you're up and running on the new one - just in case 2) If you encrypt your backups always use the symmetrical encryption option - your gpg keys will be inside the encrypted backup file therefore not available to you :'( 3) READ THE LIST Dave From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:55:04 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:55:04 +0200 Subject: FireWall and Virus In-Reply-To: <477E2487.7070906@optusnet.com.au> References: <477E1B6F.5040409@optusnet.com.au> <200801041355.35729.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <477E2487.7070906@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hey Clark, > I have discovered (according to the adverts on line) that even Linux is > prone to problems on line. Sure, any O/S is vulnerable to crack attempts - that's attempts to login to your machine from outside so that bad things can be done. In general Kubuntu is safe, but networking is a stultifying brain-overloading complexity of pain and I never did get into it. Here's what I know: 1. There *are* virii that can attack Linux, but they are so rare that I think you can count the last 10 years' worth on one hand. I have never heard of one being a problem for anyone - not on a blog, an rss feed, on a list, and I have been using Gnu/Linux for close to 10 years now. The only person who wiped my home folder once... was me :) 2. There is no question that malicious people can write code in hundreds of ways that will launch when you open a document (in whatever app) and that can then go erase your home folder (at least) and further (if you run as root). I always think people who say that only your home folder is in danger and therefore the risk is low are smoking something stupid - I mean, heck, all your work and private files are in home! 3. Given point 2, be wary of OOO files with macros. Same as on any O/S. Be aware of what scripts you run and where they come from. This is one good reason to stick to the trusted Ubuntu repos. 4. Given point 3, if you need to run something and you are not sure about it - then make a new user login (call him 'victim' :) ) and then copy the file to his home folder (/home/victim/) and login as 'victim' and run/open things there. If there's an explosion then only that folder will get hit. (I have only done this once with an unknown OOO file that I had to open.) You can also get virus scanners - clamAV and Grisoft AVG are two that pop into my head. (BTW - Grisoft AVG free for windows is a great virus scanner. Free (of cost) and functional, a good combo for that O/S.) 5. There is a built-in 'firewall' call iptables. No-one with an IQ lower than Stephen Hawkins' can use it. Relax, you are in good company in total hopelessness when it comes to using it :) There are nice front-ends you can install to make it easier to use, but I always found them painful. Basically, after a while, one comes to trust Kubuntu and relax. One is called 'guarddog' - you can try that. 6. If you have a 'thing' between your computer and your Internet connection - a router of some kind - then you are already well on the road to being safe from intruders. That router *is* your firewall (for practical values of firewall). Well, that's my best. Sorry it's low on specifics. Ask more on the list, there are some bright sparks around. I would just plain not worry about it for a while. You can get all paranoid and start encrypting and locking down zones on your drives, setting tripwires and loggin every byte-fart emitted - to the extent that the FBI will come to you for tips, but there's really not much reason for it. I always get a shock when I have to use XP - with the endless anti-virus updates and sheer terror at each turn. It's so nice in Kubuntu-land. \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Fri Jan 4 13:36:24 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:36:24 +0200 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? Message-ID: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> My daughter is complaining that her gutsy install only has gimp rc (release candidate) available - and that there are loads of things that don't work. Why is there no 'stable' version available - or at least one that works [mostly]? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 4 17:38:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:38:19 -0400 Subject: FireWall and Virus References: <477E1B6F.5040409@optusnet.com.au> <200801041355.35729.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <477E2487.7070906@optusnet.com.au> <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2002888.MT4ppdMQ8D@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: > 5. There is a built-in 'firewall' call iptables. No-one with an IQ lower > than Stephen Hawkins' can use it. Relax, you are in good company in total > hopelessness when it comes to using it :) LOL. I've been using Linux since before iptables (and even before its precursor - ipchains) but I agree completely. I barely understood ipchains and never really got a handle on iptables. > There are nice front-ends you can install to make it easier to use, but I > always found them painful. Basically, after a while, one comes to trust > Kubuntu and relax. > One is called 'guarddog' - you can try that. Precisely. Guarddog was the best firewall tool I used, but I've been running firewall-less for a couple of years now (noting that there are _two_ NAT routers between me and the Internet). -- derek From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Fri Jan 4 17:58:49 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:58:49 +0000 Subject: FireWall and Virus In-Reply-To: <2002888.MT4ppdMQ8D@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <477E1B6F.5040409@optusnet.com.au> <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2002888.MT4ppdMQ8D@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801041758.49695.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Donn wrote: > > > 5. There is a built-in 'firewall' call iptables. No-one with an IQ lower > > than Stephen Hawkins' can use it. Relax, you are in good company in total > > hopelessness when it comes to using it :) > > LOL. I've been using Linux since before iptables (and even before its > precursor - ipchains) but I agree completely. I barely understood ipchains > and never really got a handle on iptables. > I don't understand it properly either, but if you just want to protect a desktop machine or server from intrusion I reckon it's not too hard to set up some rules if you use webmin. It has an option to do the basic set up for you, then you can add your own rules to accept packets for things like CUPS, apcupsd or https, restricting it to the local network or specific source addresses if you like. Dave -- FACT - Millions of people worldwide continue to pay money to the richest person in the world to use his products, even though perfectly good software is given away completely free of charge by the open source community! I can't understand it either. Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Jan 4 18:08:24 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:08:24 +0100 Subject: FireWall and Virus In-Reply-To: <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477E1B6F.5040409@optusnet.com.au> <477E2487.7070906@optusnet.com.au> <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801041908.24213.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Friday 04 January 2008 13:55, Donn wrote: > Hey Clark, > > > I have discovered (according to the adverts on line) that even Linux is > > prone to problems on line.   > > Sure, any O/S is vulnerable to crack attempts - that's attempts to login to > your machine from outside so that bad things can be done. John Meyer on said yesterday: Just another reminder, Security Exists Between the Keyboard and the Chair. Some people get caught by pfishing and even give out their bank account and password; but how is one to react when he is trying to see a video on internet and have a requester pop up asking him to install the newest version of FleshMediaPlayer and type his sudoer password? (just an example ;O)) ) Being scared of opening an Oo document or a HTML message is a pain. The 'thing' between your computer and your Internet connection - (a router of some kind) is probably a good protection against any attack that does not need your "collaboration" but of little or no value against the other type of attack. I'm not even sure *any* virus scanners could effectively protect me against myself. (I still have to dig deeper into that) I have been in the way of creating a "victim" user as you suggest, with nothing "sensible" (i.e. secret) on his home, and nothing "important" (i.e. that I don't want destroyed), that does not have a copy elswhere. *Addendum*: the only "scary" thing that happened to me was being warned that my computer (or was it my mail account or my internet connexion?) was being used to send spam, that was a long time ago (~1yr?) and I never had a proof of it, those warning happened only 2 or 3 times and then I had no more. (I could search my old mails to find that again...time consuming) Still I bet ohter people got mail from spwhite at ... that I didn't write because I got some myself. I'm glad this topic about security issues appears on this list. Perry -- BOFH excuse #215: High nuclear activity in your area From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 4 18:21:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:21:38 -0400 Subject: FireWall and Virus References: <477E1B6F.5040409@optusnet.com.au> <477E2487.7070906@optusnet.com.au> <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801041908.24213.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <2071594.gURDtC6E0b@cedar.serverforest.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > *Addendum*: the only "scary" thing that happened to me was being warned > that my computer (or was it my mail account or my internet connexion?) was > being used to send spam, that was a long time ago (~1yr?) and I never had > a proof of it, Those "warnings" are usually bounce messages from poorly configured mail systems that received an email using your name as sender. The mail never came anywhere near your system, but the recipient bounces a response to you instead of doing what it should have done and verifying that the mail actually came from you in the first place. -- derek From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Fri Jan 4 18:46:53 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:46:53 +0100 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? Message-ID: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> Hi, (auxiliary question : why aren't my emails making it to the list ? I don't receive them, and nor do I see them on the list archives... 3rd attempt) I'm desperately trying to record audio (from TV - I have no problem with capturing the video) that's plugged on the Line in jack of my ASUS P5B deluxe card. This is an intel HD audio codec (Analog Devices AD1988B), on a ICH8 chipset. I think I tried almost everything : I tried arecord, audacity (and sox also), but I never get one sound recorded. I get at most some noise. Still I *hear* the audio on the PC speakers ! I can mute this audio doing : amixer set Line off or amixer set 'Analog Mix' off I can also change volumes and so on using kmixer or alsamixer, and Line is selected as an input source in the recording properties of the mixers. So I'm wondering what else I could try ? Why can't I get any audio recorder from the Line source ? The alsa changelogs do not seem to show many things have been improved concerning the snd_hda_intel module, so I'm wondering if it's worth spending time trying the 1.0.15 version instead of the Gutsy 1.0.14 ... Would you have any hint on what else I could try or who I should contact ? Thanks && regards From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Fri Jan 4 21:30:39 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:30:39 +0000 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <200801042130.39621.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Hi Fred On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > I'm desperately trying to record audio (from TV - I have no problem with > capturing the video) that's plugged on the Line in jack of my ASUS P5B > deluxe card. This is an intel HD audio codec (Analog Devices AD1988B), on a > ICH8 chipset. [Snip] > > So I'm wondering what else I could try ? Why can't I get any audio recorder > from the Line source ? The alsa changelogs do not seem to show many things > have been improved concerning the snd_hda_intel module, so I'm wondering if > it's worth spending time trying the 1.0.15 version instead of the Gutsy > 1.0.14 ... Assuming you are already using Gutsy, you could try enabling the backports repository, which I think it is labelled Unsupported Updates in Adept, and then install linux-backports-modules as this contains version 1.0.15 of the ALSA drivers for Gutsy. I installed this just today on my Toshiba laptop to fix a couple of issues with my sound using the same snd_hda_intel module (It is now much louder and plugging in headphones cuts off the speakers as it should do). Do you also have the following line at the end of your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base or something similar? options snd-hda-intel model=asus You will need to reboot for this change to take effect unless you can unload and reload all the sound modules. I have seen the line above fix issues for other ASUS owners. Hope that helps. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From nali at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 4 21:30:53 2008 From: nali at ubuntu.com (Nick Ali) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:30:53 -0500 Subject: nice post by Aaron Seigo Message-ID: <954321e10801041330g3822ed26oda8270820a84dae0@mail.gmail.com> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html nick -- http://boredandblogging.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 00:04:42 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:04:42 +1100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <477EC99A.5090304@optusnet.com.au> Terence Simpson wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Terence Simpson wrote: >> >> >>> expanding on what deguz said, "sudo -r chown $(whoami): >>> ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" will fix that. >>> >>> >> I think the command should rather be this: >> >> sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ >> >> >> Nils >> >> >> > Both work, if you don't fill in a group it uses your primary group. > > Terence > > > Whatever the niceties of the options above, all way above my head, by inserting a literal copy including spaces and Capitals, Dolphin no longer does peculiar things on shut down. Is Sudo the Linux command language and if so where do I access the hand book? 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The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mplayer: Depends: libaa1 (>= 1.2) but it is not installable Depends: libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta11-1) but it is not installable Depends: libcucul0 (>= 0.99.beta11-1) but it is not installable Depends: libdv4 but it is not installable Depends: libfaac0 (>= 1.24clean) but it is not installable Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.2.1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) but it is not installable Depends: liblircclient0 but it is not installable Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not installable Depends: libmp4v2-0 (>= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp) but it is not installable Depends: libx264-54 but it is not installable Depends: libxvidcore4 (>= 1:1.0.0-0.0) but it is not installable Depends: mplayer-skins but it is not installable E: Broken packages Clark. From tim at johnsons-web.com Sat Jan 5 00:55:18 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:55:18 -0900 Subject: Like to see bootup messages Message-ID: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> I just installed kubuntu 7.10 on an older laptop with 512 meg of RAM and it boots *very* slowly. I find the black screen during bootup to be disquieting. I'd like to see bootup messages like I would see on redhat or slackware. I commented out the quiet directive in menu.lst but it doesn't make any differences. Any other ideas? Thanks Tim From maxaeran at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 00:55:06 2008 From: maxaeran at gmail.com (eran) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:55:06 -0600 Subject: eran sent you a friend request on Yaari... Message-ID: <880687c233d2ff6dccd47da1ca0f58a3@localhost.localdomain> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 01:19:11 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:19:11 -0500 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477EC99A.5090304@optusnet.com.au> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> <477EC99A.5090304@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801041719n7d312c5ej5042d36539acd221@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 4, 2008 7:04 PM, Clark wrote: > Whatever the niceties of the options above, all way above my head, by > inserting a literal copy including spaces and Capitals, Dolphin no longer > does peculiar things on shut down. Is Sudo the Linux command language and > if so where do I access the hand book? > > Thanks Terence and Nils, > > Clark. Let's break this down for you ;) sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ Sudo -- is not the Linux command language, it is actually a program. Sudo let's you (a normal user) *DO* things as a *Super User* (not sure if that's officially what it stands for, but that's how I think about it). This is useful when you want to tamper with system files or run certain commands and you don't want to login as root (which is actually disabled by default in K/Ubuntu for security concerns). When you run a command with "sudo" at the front, it means that the system will run the command like you are root and not a normal user. In your case, you needed to have sudo at the front of the command because you were changing the ownership of all the files in a directory and root is the only user allowed to make those kinds of changes. If you now understand the concept of "sudo", then congratulations, you have become geeky enough to chuckle at this comic: http://xkcd.com/149/ chown -- CHange OWNership. Changes the ownership of a given file or directory. -R -- this option means that chown will change the ownership of the directory *Recursively*, meaning that it will change the ownership of _everything_ (file or folder) within the given folder. $(whoami):$(whoami) -- this may seem complex, but really isn't. Whoami is a program that returns the name of the user that runs the program. If your user is "clark" then running whoami will return "clark". $(whoami) is just a dynamic way of specifying the user/group and, if your user is "clark", $(whoami):$(whoami) is semantically equal to saying clark:clark. The purpose of this part of the command was to specify the user (clark) and group (clark) that would be the new owner of the directory; note that before the colon you are specifying the user and after you are specifying the group (user:group). If you really want to know what a group is, do some independent research. ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ -- this is the folder of which the ownership you are changing. The folder "~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/" contains user-specific settings and other stuff you probably don't care much about (unless, as in your case, the folder belongs to the wrong user). The "~/" is a shortcut for saying "/home/clark/" (assuming the name of your user is "clark" again). The "." in ".kde" means that the folder is hidden. This also works for hiding files. I hope this clears up some of the confusion. Note: The official language of the Linux shell is called shell script. There are _plenty_ of online and offline resources for shell script. Try googling "bash shell script tutorials" or picking up an O'Reilly book. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From stew.schneider at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 01:53:57 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:53:57 -0500 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801041719n7d312c5ej5042d36539acd221@mail.gmail.com> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> <477EC99A.5090304@optusnet.com.au> <9bed467e0801041719n7d312c5ej5042d36539acd221@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477EE335.3060600@gmail.com> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 7:04 PM, Clark wrote: > >> Whatever the niceties of the options above, all way above my head, by >> inserting a literal copy including spaces and Capitals, Dolphin no longer >> does peculiar things on shut down. Is Sudo the Linux command language and >> if so where do I access the hand book? >> >> Thanks Terence and Nils, >> >> Clark. >> Andrew has done a smashing job of explaining this, but it occurred to me that there may be one piece of it that is still puzzling to you, if you are coming from the Windows world. One of the reasons Linux is more secure than Windows is the idea of "permissions". A permission (as applied to a file) means just that -- what a particular user can do with a particular file. In Windows, you're constantly running as superuser (Computer Administrator) unless you specifically don't (Limited User). That means you can do as my father did with the first computer I gave him -- delete all those files that he didn't know what they were. In his case, that would have been the operating system. In a *nix system, those files belong to a user called root, and only that user can write or change them, because the permissions are set up that way. Let's say you had a system file and you looked at it with the command ls -l, which is like dir in the command window of a Windows box. You'd see something like: -rwx------ 1 root root 9248 2007-03-03 22:37 important.fl The file is owned by the user root, and belongs to the group root. It was created 03/03/2007 at 22:37 and is named important.fl Now, in a Windows system, running as a computer administrator, you could do anything you wanted to this file, even delete it. In Linux, only the owner could do anything with this file, because of the way the permissions are set. -rwx --- --- I divided the permissions up into three sections for clarity. The first section, rwx, means that the owner (root) can read, write or execute the file. The next group of three, ---, are the group permissions. A member of the root group who *isn't* root can do nothing with the file. The last three are similarly the permissions for everybody else, and they can't do anything with it, either. By carefully setting the permissions and ownership of files (and commands are files, too), you can control who can do what to which file. Pulling it together, something in your Dolphin installation made the file belong to somebody other than you. So, you need to change the ownership to fix it. Let's say the file (sitting in your ,kde folder) was called myfile. ls -l might show: -rwxr-xr-x bruce bruce 9248 2007-03-03 22:37 myfile For it to operate properly, assume it needs to be: -rwxr-xr-x clark clark 9248 2007-03-03 22:37 myfile BUT, the file doesn't belong to you, so you don't have permission to do anything to it, including changing the ownership from bruce to you, and until you do, you can't write to that file because only bruce has write permission. Enter the super user, again. You can't log in as root, as a security precaution, but you can *masquerade* as root, *if* you're in the sudoers group (that keeps bad guys from logging in and messing with your files). Since root can do anything to any file, using sudo you can correct the ownership error. stew From paulatgm at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 02:15:49 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:15:49 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> Clark said the following on 01/04/2008 07:46 PM: > Hi, > > I tried to run a video (WMV) with Mplayer without success so I tried > using apt cache search, no luck, then I tried sudo apt-get install > Mplayer (and got this??? Any suggestions) > > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > mplayer: Depends: libaa1 (>= 1.2) but it is not installable > Depends: libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta11-1) but it is not installable > Depends: libcucul0 (>= 0.99.beta11-1) but it is not installable > Depends: libdv4 but it is not installable > Depends: libfaac0 (>= 1.24clean) but it is not installable > Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.2.1) but it is not going to be installed > Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) but it is not installable > Depends: liblircclient0 but it is not installable > Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not installable > Depends: libmp4v2-0 (>= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp) but it > is not installable > Depends: libx264-54 but it is not installable > Depends: libxvidcore4 (>= 1:1.0.0-0.0) but it is not installable > Depends: mplayer-skins but it is not installable > E: Broken packages > usually indicates that some of your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list are not enabled. regards, From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 02:48:04 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:48:04 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801042148.04657.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 04 January 2008, Paul S wrote: > usually indicates that some of your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list are > not enabled. multiverse -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 02:49:38 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:49:38 -0500 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 04 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > My daughter is complaining that her gutsy install only has gimp rc > (release candidate) available - and that there are loads of things that > don't work. > Why is there no 'stable' version available - or at least one that works > [mostly]? What doesn't work? I'm having a lot of trouble finding some things that have moved around, but it seems to be working just fine so far as I've encountered with what I've tried. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 02:56:23 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:56:23 -0500 Subject: FireWall and Virus In-Reply-To: <2002888.MT4ppdMQ8D@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <477E1B6F.5040409@optusnet.com.au> <200801041455.05144.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2002888.MT4ppdMQ8D@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801042156.23715.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 04 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > LOL. I've been using Linux since before iptables (and even before its > precursor - ipchains) but I agree completely. I barely understood ipchains > and never really got a handle on iptables. I love the "simple" tutorials too. 10) root:~> /sbin/iptables -L -n --line-numbers Chain INPUT (policy DROP) num target prot opt source destination 1 LOG tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp flags:!0x16/0x02 state NEW LOG flags 0 level 4 prefix `NEW NOT SYN: ' 2 DROP tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp flags:!0x16/0x02 state NEW (http://www.cse.msu.edu/~minutsil/iptables.html) Oh yeah, that's perfectly clear now. Thanks. -- D. Michael McIntyre From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 05:05:20 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:05:20 +0200 Subject: Like to see bootup messages In-Reply-To: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <477F1010.8010102@gmail.com> Tim Johnson wrote: > I just installed kubuntu 7.10 on an older laptop with 512 meg of RAM > and it boots *very* slowly. I find the black screen during bootup to > be disquieting. I'd like to see bootup messages like I would see on > redhat or slackware. I commented out the quiet directive in menu.lst > but it doesn't make any differences. You are on the right track. On the line that states the kernel to use there is an option "quiet". Remove it or change it to "noquiet". Sinclair From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 05:10:05 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:10:05 +1100 Subject: Dolphin Can't save Bookmarks? In-Reply-To: <477EE335.3060600@gmail.com> References: <477AD100.9090004@optusnet.com.au> <477B4DF9.4080303@stdin.me.uk> <200801022140.03111.kassube@gmx.net> <477C11A1.2030206@stdin.me.uk> <477EC99A.5090304@optusnet.com.au> <9bed467e0801041719n7d312c5ej5042d36539acd221@mail.gmail.com> <477EE335.3060600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <477F112D.3040404@optusnet.com.au> Thanks Andrew and Stew, this really helps sort some misconceptions right at the start. Clark. Stew Schneider wrote: > Andrew Jarrett wrote: > >> On Jan 4, 2008 7:04 PM, Clark wrote: >> >> >>> Whatever the niceties of the options above, all way above my head, by >>> inserting a literal copy including spaces and Capitals, Dolphin no longer >>> does peculiar things on shut down. Is Sudo the Linux command language and >>> if so where do I access the hand book? >>> >>> Thanks Terence and Nils, >>> >>> Clark. >>> >>> > Andrew has done a smashing job of explaining this, but it occurred to me > that there may be one piece of it that is still puzzling to you, if you > are coming from the Windows world. > > One of the reasons Linux is more secure than Windows is the idea of > "permissions". A permission (as applied to a file) means just that -- > what a particular user can do with a particular file. In Windows, you're > constantly running as superuser (Computer Administrator) unless you > specifically don't (Limited User). That means you can do as my father > did with the first computer I gave him -- delete all those files that he > didn't know what they were. In his case, that would have been the > operating system. > > In a *nix system, those files belong to a user called root, and only > that user can write or change them, because the permissions are set up > that way. > > Let's say you had a system file and you looked at it with the command ls > -l, which is like dir in the command window of a Windows box. You'd see > something like: > > -rwx------ 1 root root 9248 2007-03-03 22:37 important.fl > > The file is owned by the user root, and belongs to the group root. It > was created 03/03/2007 at 22:37 and is named important.fl > > Now, in a Windows system, running as a computer administrator, you could > do anything you wanted to this file, even delete it. In Linux, only the > owner could do anything with this file, because of the way the > permissions are set. > -rwx --- --- > > I divided the permissions up into three sections for clarity. The first > section, rwx, means that the owner (root) can read, write or execute the > file. The next group of three, ---, are the group permissions. A member > of the root group who *isn't* root can do nothing with the file. The > last three are similarly the permissions for everybody else, and they > can't do anything with it, either. > > By carefully setting the permissions and ownership of files (and > commands are files, too), you can control who can do what to which file. > > Pulling it together, something in your Dolphin installation made the > file belong to somebody other than you. So, you need to change the > ownership to fix it. Let's say the file (sitting in your ,kde folder) > was called myfile. ls -l might show: > > -rwxr-xr-x bruce bruce 9248 2007-03-03 22:37 myfile > > For it to operate properly, assume it needs to be: > > -rwxr-xr-x clark clark 9248 2007-03-03 22:37 myfile > > BUT, the file doesn't belong to you, so you don't have permission to do > anything to it, including changing the ownership from bruce to you, and > until you do, you can't write to that file because only bruce has write > permission. > > Enter the super user, again. You can't log in as root, as a security > precaution, but you can *masquerade* as root, *if* you're in the sudoers > group (that keeps bad guys from logging in and messing with your files). > Since root can do anything to any file, using sudo you can correct the > ownership error. > > stew > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 05:19:43 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:19:43 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> Thanks to Paul s. and D. Michael Mcintyre for the response but is anyone there who can translate this into beginner speak please? or at least something I can work on even if I don't understand what I'm doing. usually indicates that some of your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list are not enabled. Thanks, Clark. From anton at wilddsl.net.au Sat Jan 5 05:27:49 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:27:49 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477F1555.7090605@wilddsl.net.au> Before I can be sure I can help you, I need to know: What version of Kubuntu are you running ? Anton. Clark wrote: > Thanks to Paul s. and D. Michael Mcintyre for the response but is anyone > there who can translate this into beginner speak please? or at least > something I can work on even if I don't understand what I'm doing. > > usually indicates that some of your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list are > not enabled. > > Thanks, > > Clark. From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 05:52:09 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:52:09 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV - Anton In-Reply-To: <477F1555.7090605@wilddsl.net.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> <477F1555.7090605@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <477F1B09.90703@optusnet.com.au> Apologies Anton Kubuntu version is 7.10, the most current I think. Clark. Anton Rolls wrote: > Before I can be sure I can help you, I need to know: > > What version of Kubuntu are you running ? > > Anton. > > Clark wrote: > >> Thanks to Paul s. and D. Michael Mcintyre for the response but is anyone >> there who can translate this into beginner speak please? or at least >> something I can work on even if I don't understand what I'm doing. >> >> usually indicates that some of your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list are >> not enabled. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Clark. >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 06:07:59 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:07:59 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Clark wrote: > there who can translate this into beginner speak please? or at least > something I can work on even if I don't understand what I'm doing. I don't know the official graphical tool way to do it. The unofficial, unsupported, evil, horribly hacky way to do it is to go edit /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and uncomment (get rid of the # symbols) this bit: ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. #deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse #deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse (Yours may say something other than "gutsy" here. The key word is multiverse.) Then update and so forth in the usual fashion. From the unspeakably evil command line, it would be something like: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mplayer You probably have to install the "w32codecs" package explicitly too, in order to play WMV files. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 06:23:05 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:23:05 +0200 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801050823.05262.donn.ingle@gmail.com> To clarify: Only remove the # symbols in front of these two lines: > #deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > #deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From karlok at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 5 06:35:46 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:35:46 -0800 Subject: Like to see bootup messages In-Reply-To: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <477F2542.7000105@fastmail.fm> Tim Johnson wrote: > I just installed kubuntu 7.10 on an older laptop with 512 meg of RAM > and it boots *very* slowly. I find the black screen during bootup to > be disquieting. I'd like to see bootup messages like I would see on > redhat or slackware. I commented out the quiet directive in menu.lst > but it doesn't make any differences. > > Any other ideas? > Thanks > Tim > Even with quiet you should get some messages, not a black screen. Did you remove "splash" from the kernel line? Karl From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 06:41:44 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:41:44 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <477F26A8.1040106@optusnet.com.au> Tried this (suggestion below) and got this in reply: edit /etc/apt/sources.list Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*" Error: no write permission for file "/etc/apt/sources.list" D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2008, Clark wrote: > > >> there who can translate this into beginner speak please? or at least >> something I can work on even if I don't understand what I'm doing. >> > > I don't know the official graphical tool way to do it. The unofficial, > unsupported, evil, horribly hacky way to do it is to go > edit /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and uncomment (get rid of the # symbols) > this bit: > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu > ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to > ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in > ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu > ## security team. > #deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > #deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > > (Yours may say something other than "gutsy" here. The key word is > multiverse.) > > Then update and so forth in the usual fashion. From the unspeakably evil > command line, it would be something like: > > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get install mplayer > > You probably have to install the "w32codecs" package explicitly too, in order > to play WMV files. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 07:06:36 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:06:36 +0200 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <477F26A8.1040106@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <477F26A8.1040106@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Clark, Your first stop should be: http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/index/C/index.html To get some basics under wraps. > edit /etc/apt/sources.list He meant 'edit' as a verb, not a program name. You need to use kedit or kate to actually open the file for editing. You also have to do it as root, so: 1. Alt+F2, type: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list Enter your normal user password. Find the lines in question and remove the (single) # symbols. Do NOT EDIT ANYTHING ELSE. Don't stuff that file up! Save file and close kate. 2. Then open konsole and type: sudo apt-get update Type your password again. Wait for it to finish, look out for errors. 3. Then: sudo apt-get install mplayer (may have to retype password) That *should* do the trick. I know for codecs and stuff, I usually go to the mplayer website and download their codecs pack and put them in a folder on my drive. It's a little intricate, but mplayer works well for me. hth \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From tlenze at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 08:20:29 2008 From: tlenze at gmail.com (Troy Lenze) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:20:29 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477EE855.4030106@gmail.com> <477F136F.7020407@optusnet.com.au> <200801050107.59462.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1199521230.9012.2.camel@Galactica> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 01:07 -0500, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2008, Clark wrote: > > > there who can translate this into beginner speak please? or at least > > something I can work on even if I don't understand what I'm doing. > > I don't know the official graphical tool way to do it. The unofficial, > unsupported, evil, horribly hacky way to do it is to go > edit /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and uncomment (get rid of the # symbols) > this bit: *snip* Graphical way: 1. Open Adept Package Manager 2. Go to Adept->Manage Repositories 3. Check the box next to Multiverse 4. Close and click the Reload button From charles.trois at orange.fr Sat Jan 5 14:09:35 2008 From: charles.trois at orange.fr (Charles Trois) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:09:35 +0100 Subject: Printing text In-Reply-To: <200712311442.21633.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4778DCDF.2020108@orange.fr> <200712311442.21633.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <477F8F9F.3040700@orange.fr> Donn a écrit : >> I should be grateful to anybody who can throw some light on this problem >> of printing text at a reasonable speed. > It's not the quality being set too high is it? Check DPI and driver settings > for the printer. You were right: changing the printout mode from "normal" to "draft" did it. Thank you for the hint. Charles From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 14:43:06 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:43:06 +0100 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd Message-ID: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Hi all, I had to reinstall dhcdbd (accidentally, I removed it). Since then I get the message that configuring of dhcdbd failed. A result of this is, that network-manager, network-manager-kde and knetworkmanager cannot be configured as well (because they depend on dhcdbd). The output after an 'apt-get upgrade' is following: Richte dhcdbd ein (2.0-5ubuntu1) ... * Reloading system message bus config... [ OK ] * Starting DHCP D-Bus daemon dhcdbd invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcdbd, action "start" failed. dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von dhcdbd (--configure): Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück Does anybody have an idea how I can solve this problem? The versions of called packages are the ones in the Kubuntu 7.10 repositories. -- Thanks, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 15:00:29 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:00:29 +0200 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd In-Reply-To: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von dhcdbd (--configure): > Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück Not likely to get much help unless you can translate that message for us. \d http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 15:06:36 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:06:36 +0100 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd In-Reply-To: <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801051606.37031.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Also schrieben Sie am Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 16:00:29: > > dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von dhcdbd (--configure): > > Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück > > Not likely to get much help unless you can translate that message for us. It says something like: "error with processing of dhcdbd (--configure): child process post-installation script exited with error code 1". (HTH ;-) -- Greetz, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 5 15:05:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:05:38 -0400 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1974822.uLmJpW9v51@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: >> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von dhcdbd (--configure): >> Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück > Not likely to get much help unless you can translate that message for us. What? You've never seen that message? It's something to the effect of: configuration failed for package dhcbd a post-installation script exited with return code 1" The real message should be above, but: invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcdbd, action "start" failed. isn't informative. I know I've had this happen, but can't remember why, or how to fix it. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 15:22:46 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:22:46 +0200 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd In-Reply-To: <200801051606.37031.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051606.37031.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200801051722.46633.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > It says something like: "error with processing of dhcdbd (--configure): > child process post-installation script exited with error code 1". Hmmm. Which post installation script did the failing is the question? What does dmesg and/or the log have to say? Is there an apt error log somewhere? You could try run /the/right/dir/dhcdbd --configure And see what it says. You might have gathered that I'm clueless :) Just trying to prompt your grey-cells. \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 15:23:10 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:23:10 +0200 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd In-Reply-To: <1974822.uLmJpW9v51@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1974822.uLmJpW9v51@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801051723.10854.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > What? You've never seen that message? I've lived a sheltered life :) \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 15:19:40 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:19:40 +0100 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd In-Reply-To: <1974822.uLmJpW9v51@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1974822.uLmJpW9v51@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801051619.40411.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 16:05:38 schrieb Derek Broughton: > The real message should be above, but: > invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcdbd, action "start" failed. > isn't informative. I would hope that the script behaved with more verbosity. > I know I've had this happen, but can't remember why, or how to fix it. Until now it isn't a big problem. But for consistency reasons (and to prevent it from becomming a real problem in the future), I would really like to have it fixed . . . I allready reinstalled the packages, but that did not help. -- Greetz, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Jan 5 15:27:01 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:27:01 +0100 Subject: KMail from many platforms In-Reply-To: <2732710.ho4IaqyPii@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200712051910.17327.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801031145.15324.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <2732710.ho4IaqyPii@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801051627.01604.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Thursday 03 January 2008 20:33, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> it's all pam based, and if the mail user has a linux account, that > >> should be used. > > > > Not sure I understand. > > Exactly what I said.  It's _pam_ based.  There shouldn't even _be_ > an /etc/dovecot/passwd file.  Dovecot is practically installed complete > when you apt-get it - the only thing I can think of that has to be modified > is to actually enable the imap service.  If you have a passwd file, you've > been messing too much with the config. Thanks, I'll have a look into that. I'll never know if that much messing was a resut of attempting to download sources not tailored for Kubbuntu (remember, "adept-installer is the stupid little brother"), or only of my complete ignorance about those topics. Now at least I feel I can experiment. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #148: Insert coin for new game From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 15:47:40 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:47:40 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <477F26A8.1040106@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Donn wrote: > He meant 'edit' as a verb, not a program name. Well, I did, but if he's at a command line, "edit" really is a verb on Debian systems. I think it defaults to Nano. Thanks for pointing out my stupidity with the "remove all the #" bit. It was late. It should ultimately look like this (except the "gutsy" part might differ, and so might the "us" part): ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse -- D. Michael McIntyre From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 5 16:09:30 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:09:30 +0100 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <200801042130.39621.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> <200801042130.39621.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <477FABBA.4080902@wanadoo.fr> Hi, Thanks for the answer :) Actually, I'm indeed running Gutsy, so I may try to use backports to see if it helps. I just checked, I don't have snd-hda-intel (or snd_hda_intel ?) anywhere in /etc : maybe the module is loaded in the initrd ? In that case, I'll try to regenerate the initrd files... Thanks for the suggestions, I'm going to try all this :) Regards Colin Pinkney a écrit : > Hi Fred > > On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > >> I'm desperately trying to record audio (from TV - I have no problem with >> capturing the video) that's plugged on the Line in jack of my ASUS P5B >> deluxe card. This is an intel HD audio codec (Analog Devices AD1988B), on a >> ICH8 chipset. >> > [Snip] > >> So I'm wondering what else I could try ? Why can't I get any audio recorder >> from the Line source ? The alsa changelogs do not seem to show many things >> have been improved concerning the snd_hda_intel module, so I'm wondering if >> it's worth spending time trying the 1.0.15 version instead of the Gutsy >> 1.0.14 ... >> > > Assuming you are already using Gutsy, you could try enabling the backports > repository, which I think it is labelled Unsupported Updates in Adept, and > then install linux-backports-modules as this contains version 1.0.15 of the > ALSA drivers for Gutsy. I installed this just today on my Toshiba laptop to > fix a couple of issues with my sound using the same snd_hda_intel module (It > is now much louder and plugging in headphones cuts off the speakers as it > should do). > > Do you also have the following line at the end of > your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base or something similar? > > options snd-hda-intel model=asus > > You will need to reboot for this change to take effect unless you can unload > and reload all the sound modules. I have seen the line above fix issues for > other ASUS owners. > > Hope that helps. > > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 16:17:00 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:17:00 +0200 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I think Troy took the right tack: Graphical way: 1. Open Adept Package Manager 2. Go to Adept->Manage Repositories 3. Check the box next to Multiverse 4. Close and click the Reload button Clark is new to Kubuntu and our cli angle will mangle his brain :) \d From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 16:51:31 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:51:31 +0100 Subject: speech to text program Message-ID: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Hi all, does anybody have heard about a program that lets you convert spoken text into ascii? It would be nice if I could dictate the text to the computer, and have it written down in text. -- Greetz, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 17:03:38 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:03:38 +0200 Subject: speech to text program In-Reply-To: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200801051903.39051.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > does anybody have heard about a program that lets you convert spoken text > into ascii? I think there's one called "fingers 1.0" - most people come with ten pre-installed :) Sorry, no idea. From tim at johnsons-web.com Sat Jan 5 17:33:48 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:33:48 -0900 Subject: Like to see bootup messages In-Reply-To: <477F2542.7000105@fastmail.fm> References: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> <477F2542.7000105@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200801050833.48874.tim@johnsons-web.com> On Friday 04 January 2008, Karl wrote: > Even with quiet you should get some messages, not a black screen. Did > you remove "splash" from the kernel line? Hi Karl and Sinclair : No Carl, I did not, I did change `quiet' to `noquiet'. Below is the automagic kernels list for my menu.lst ############################################ title Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=ef315234-5f10-478f-978f-c407ae845b5b ro noquiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic # quiet title Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic (recovery mode) root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=ef315234-5f10-478f-978f-c407ae845b5b ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic title Ubuntu 7.10, memtest86+ root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin quiet ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian # ones. title Other operating systems: root ######################################################## Thanks to all for the responses. cheers tim From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 17:38:52 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:38:52 +0100 Subject: speech to text program In-Reply-To: <200801051903.39051.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051903.39051.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801051838.52579.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Also schrieben Sie am Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 18:03:38: > > does anybody have heard about a program that lets you convert spoken text > > into ascii? > > I think there's one called "fingers 1.0" - most people come with ten > pre-installed :) > > Sorry, no idea. Ten? that's more than the three I have. And I wouldn't call them pre-installed. The installation procedure lasted for more than twenty years now, and it isn't that fast though. -- Greetzt, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 17:42:35 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:42:35 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer Message-ID: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> I have two computers and I'd like to be able to transfer files between them. One is running PClinuxOs 2007 and the other is running Kubuntu 6.06. Is there an easy way to network them together so that I can transfer files between them? Most of the time I would want to transfer from the PClinuxOs machine to the other. Thanks for your help. Eric Jackson From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 18:02:10 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:02:10 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801051302.10516.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Donn wrote: > I think Troy took the right tack: > Graphical way: > Clark is new to Kubuntu and our cli angle will mangle his brain :) Oh, surely so. I'm just too stupid to understand how to use the easy tools. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 18:17:34 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:17:34 -0500 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <477FABBA.4080902@wanadoo.fr> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> <200801042130.39621.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> <477FABBA.4080902@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > I just checked, I don't have snd-hda-intel (or snd_hda_intel ?) anywhere > in /etc : maybe the module is loaded in the initrd ? In that case, I'll > try to regenerate the initrd files... You won't find a kernel module in /etc. The modules are the various .ko files under /lib/modules/$YOUR_KERNEL_VERSION, but you have no reason to go screwing around with any of that. The modules are not going to be loaded by your initd, which is only for critical modules necessary for booting, like the drivers for filesystems and various kinds of storage hardware. What you want to start with is lsmod to see which modules are loaded. You'll probably find your snd_hda_intel there. I don't know how to fix your problem, but I deal with how_to_get_sound_working issues constantly, and I've seen a lot of people reporting problems with Intel and HD in them, to the point where I really hate that chip, even though I don't know anything about it. I'd try the ALSA upgrade first. Who knows. -- D. Michael McIntyre From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 5 18:29:05 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:29:05 +0100 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> <200801042130.39621.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> <477FABBA.4080902@wanadoo.fr> <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <477FCC71.4050608@wanadoo.fr> LOL ! Considering the time I spent searching for a solution before posting, I starting to feel like you about this chip ;) Thanks, I actually knew where to find modules. Thing is I don't know yet why snd_hda_intel is actually loaded : fred:~$ lsmod | grep snd_hda snd_hda_intel 263712 1 snd_pcm 80388 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss snd 54660 11 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device snd_page_alloc 11400 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm But as I said, nothing is in /etc : it's why I was guessing it was loaded at boot time, by initrd. Could the module have been loaded because it was a dependency for something else ? D. Michael McIntyre a écrit : > On Saturday 05 January 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > >> I just checked, I don't have snd-hda-intel (or snd_hda_intel ?) anywhere >> in /etc : maybe the module is loaded in the initrd ? In that case, I'll >> try to regenerate the initrd files... >> > > You won't find a kernel module in /etc. The modules are the various .ko files > under /lib/modules/$YOUR_KERNEL_VERSION, but you have no reason to go > screwing around with any of that. The modules are not going to be loaded by > your initd, which is only for critical modules necessary for booting, like > the drivers for filesystems and various kinds of storage hardware. > > What you want to start with is lsmod to see which modules are loaded. You'll > probably find your snd_hda_intel there. I don't know how to fix your > problem, but I deal with how_to_get_sound_working issues constantly, and I've > seen a lot of people reporting problems with Intel and HD in them, to the > point where I really hate that chip, even though I don't know anything about > it. > > I'd try the ALSA upgrade first. Who knows. > From karlok at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 5 18:58:19 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:58:19 -0800 Subject: Like to see bootup messages In-Reply-To: <200801050833.48874.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> <477F2542.7000105@fastmail.fm> <200801050833.48874.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <477FD34B.7050800@fastmail.fm> Tim Johnson wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2008, Karl wrote: > >> Even with quiet you should get some messages, not a black screen. Did >> you remove "splash" from the kernel line? > Hi Karl and Sinclair : > No Carl, I did not, I did change `quiet' to `noquiet'. Below is the > automagic kernels list for my menu.lst > ############################################ > title Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic > root (hd0,1) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic > root=UUID=ef315234-5f10-478f-978f-c407ae845b5b ro noquiet splash Get rid of the splash at the end of this line. It is supposed to display a graphical boot screen with a progress bar, which isn't working on your system. Without the splash you will see the boot messages. The quiet just reduces the number of messages you see. Karl From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 5 19:00:54 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:00:54 -0500 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <477FCC71.4050608@wanadoo.fr> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <477FCC71.4050608@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <200801051400.54217.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > LOL ! > Considering the time I spent searching for a solution before posting, I > starting to feel like you about this chip ;) :) > Thing is I don't know yet why snd_hda_intel is actually loaded : I haven't looked lately, but this sort of thing used to be done by Debian's Discover utility, at boot time. -- D. Michael McIntyre From tim at johnsons-web.com Sat Jan 5 19:15:33 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:15:33 -0900 Subject: Like to see bootup messages In-Reply-To: <477FD34B.7050800@fastmail.fm> References: <200801041555.18706.tim@johnsons-web.com> <200801050833.48874.tim@johnsons-web.com> <477FD34B.7050800@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200801051015.33474.tim@johnsons-web.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Karl wrote: > > Get rid of the splash at the end of this line. It is supposed to > display a graphical boot screen with a progress bar, which isn't working > on your system. Without the splash you will see the boot messages. The > quiet just reduces the number of messages you see. Karl, you nailed it. Thanks a lot. Regards Tim From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Sat Jan 5 20:31:11 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:31:11 +0000 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <477FCC71.4050608@wanadoo.fr> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <477FCC71.4050608@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <200801052031.11253.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Saturday 05 Jan 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > But as I said, nothing is in /etc : it's why I was guessing it was > loaded at boot time, by initrd. > Could the module have been loaded because it was a dependency for > something else ? What I was actually getting at was that you may need to pass a parameter to the snd_hda_intel module to enable the correct mixing configuration, which might enable the sound recording to work properly. It looks like you do not have any options setup, so you could try adding the following line to the end of /etc/modules.d/alsa-base: options snd-hda-intel model=asus and then reboot. There are several model strings you could try as detailed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto Not that it is important since the correct sound modules are loading, but I believe the kernel has lists of the PCI and other IDs for various hardware and automatically loads corresponding modules when it sees matching hardware. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 5 21:20:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:20:54 -0400 Subject: error configuring dhcdbd References: <200801051543.06678.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <200801051700.29549.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1974822.uLmJpW9v51@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801051723.10854.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8902756.bAZCDiJM5e@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: >> What? You've never seen that message? > I've lived a sheltered life :) LOL. I did something not too long ago that mucked up slocate, and it seemed every time I fixed it, the problem would come back. I got this message a lot (and, as I say, I'm sure I've seen it with dhcdbd, too). -- derek From paulatgm at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 01:04:23 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:04:23 -0500 Subject: speech to text program In-Reply-To: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <47802917.4020406@gmail.com> Ulrich Grün said the following on 01/05/2008 11:51 AM: > Hi all, > > does anybody have heard about a program that lets you convert spoken text into > ascii? It would be nice if I could dictate the text to the computer, and > have it written down in text. paul :~$ apt-cache search speech recognition libgsm1 - Shared libraries for GSM speech compressor libgsm1-dev - Development libraries for a GSM speech compressor libgsm-tools - User binaries for a GSM speech compressor libsphinx2-dev - speech recognition library - development kit libsphinx2g0 - speech recognition library libtorch3-dev - State of the art machine learning library - development files libtorch3c2 - State of the art machine learning library - runtime library sphinx2-bin - speech recognition utilities sphinx2-hmm-6k - speech recognition library - default acoustic model I don't know anything about them. Also, there is/was IBM viavoice for linux .. you'll have to google around for info. regards, From cary at bielenberg.id.au Tue Jan 1 10:52:55 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (cary Bielenberg) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:52:55 +1000 Subject: Change Default to T/Bird & Firefox In-Reply-To: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> References: <477A183E.8000807@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <477A1B87.105@bielenberg.id.au> Clark wrote: > I have just loaded Kbuntu. > Question: > I want to change my default Email to Thunderbird (and Firefox browser) > but the method given in Q/A 7077 (see below for link) is to " Navigate > to System \ Preferences \ Preferred Applications" I can find System in > the K Menu but there is only an array of programs; Adept, Dolphin etc. > I can't find any trace of Preferences can someone help. > > Clark > > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+question/7077 > > Clark, Just copy mine! Cheers Cary -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: snapshot1.png Type: image/png Size: 83143 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 6 01:30:54 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:30:54 -0500 Subject: speech to text program In-Reply-To: <47802917.4020406@gmail.com> References: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <47802917.4020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801052030.54768.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 05 January 2008, Paul S wrote: > I don't know anything about them. Also, there is/was IBM viavoice for > linux .. you'll have to google around for info. Was. It's unobtanium now. This thread is a rehash of one we just had on the Ubuntu Studio list. I've attached the most helpful response from that thread to this reply. It was from Susan Cragin, and it was a recipe for using Windows software with WINE. It seems like sensible advice, given the experience I had trying to do something with Sphinx. -- D. Michael McIntyre -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Susan Cragin Subject: Re: Speech Recognition Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:03:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Size: 4500 URL: From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 05:25:06 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 00:25:06 -0500 Subject: speech to text program In-Reply-To: <200801052030.54768.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801051751.31519.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <47802917.4020406@gmail.com> <200801052030.54768.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801052125u2888af46v9c2171ee554ea115@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 5, 2008 8:30 PM, D. Michael McIntyre < michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com> wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2008, Paul S wrote: > > I don't know anything about them. Also, there is/was IBM viavoice for > > linux .. you'll have to google around for info. > > Was. It's unobtanium now. > > This thread is a rehash of one we just had on the Ubuntu Studio list. > I've > attached the most helpful response from that thread to this reply. It was > from Susan Cragin, and it was a recipe for using Windows software with > WINE. > > It seems like sensible advice, given the experience I had trying to do > something with Sphinx. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > I am considering buying dragon software speech to test. Unfortunately it > only works on some Microsoft programs such as word. I am in a position > where in I must output enormous quantities of work by keyboard. > Unfortunately I am saddled with several learning disabilities/prenatal brain > damage which results in deficits in motor control which make it impossible > for me to type rapidly. If this program works under wine I have no idea at > this time. I hope it does but again I do not know. This sort of thing is > why I keep my computer a dual boot system. Perhaps this works under VM but > I am a newbie and have not got there yet. " I have seen this program work > well on a p4 3 gigahertz machine with 1 gig memory under win xp. > Good Luck Uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Jan 6 06:10:11 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:10:11 +0200 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478070C3.7090308@rmk.co.il> Eric wrote: > I have two computers and I'd like to be able to transfer files between > them. One is running PClinuxOs 2007 and the other is running Kubuntu 6.06. > > Is there an easy way to network them together so that I can transfer > files between them? Most of the time I would want to transfer from the > PClinuxOs machine to the other. > > Thanks for your help. > > Eric Jackson > nfs works great for me. You will need to install the server on the Kubuntu machine and the client on the PClinuxOs machine. You will of course need to read some documentation on how to set it all up - man nfs You could instead think about setting up a local ftp server on the Kubuntu machine. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 6 06:53:37 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:53:37 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <478070C3.7090308@rmk.co.il> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> <478070C3.7090308@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801060153.38208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > You will of course need to read some documentation on how to set it all > up - man nfs > > You could instead think about setting up a local ftp server on the > Kubuntu machine. NFS is supposed to be great, but the few times I've played with it, I couldn't figure out how to set it up quickly enough, and I got bored. What I've always done is more secure and easier to use than FTP though. I run the ssh server on any box I want to copy files to, and simply scp or rsync files there. This sounds like more of a command line dork kind of approach though, and I bet most normal humans would want to get NFS working, so they could drag and drop across the network. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 07:05:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:05:33 +0200 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801060905.33922.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Is there an easy way to network them together so that I can transfer > files between them? Most of the time I would want to transfer from the > PClinuxOs machine to the other. NFS is fine, I used it once (literally) years ago. Even for a newb-sans-clewb it was not too hard to setup. You can also try ssh, ftp and http. \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Jan 6 07:33:17 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:33:17 +0000 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:42:35 -0500 Eric wrote: > Is there an easy way to network them together so that I can transfer > files between them? Most of the time I would want to transfer from > the PClinuxOs machine to the other. [snipped] I don't know as I've never tried this except on Ubuntu and Debian based systems (and PCLinuxOS uses an .rpm packaging system), but if you are talking about files rather than applications, try a firewire link. You will need firewire ports in both computers (so this usually means installing a firewire card in each) and a firewire cable to connect them. It works well for me connecting a PowerMac to a Kubuntu Gutsy machine, and Edubuntu to the same Kubuntu Gutsy machine. By why mess about with a networking solution when usb memory sticks are so inexpensive these days? -- Graham Todd From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jan 6 08:16:53 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:16:53 +0100 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801060153.38208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> <478070C3.7090308@rmk.co.il> <200801060153.38208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801060916.53774.kassube@gmx.net> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > What I've always done is more secure and easier to use than FTP though. > I run the ssh server on any box I want to copy files to, and simply > scp or rsync files there. > > This sounds like more of a command line dork kind of approach though, > and I bet most normal humans would want to get NFS working, so they > could drag and drop across the network. Drag and drop across the network can be done with ssh as well, if you use konqueror (don't know about this newfangled thing called dolphin). Just enter "fish://user at server" in the address bar for the remote side. You will be asked for the password of the remote account once. Then you can navigate to the desired directory on the remote server and drag and drop files between local and remote machine as usual. However, it is slower than NFS due to the ssh encryption. Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 09:14:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:14:33 +0200 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801061114.33968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > By why mess about with a networking solution when usb memory sticks are > so inexpensive these days? It seems horribly primitive to resort to a sneaker-network... \d http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Jan 6 10:14:34 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:14:34 +0200 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4780AA0A.6060208@rmk.co.il> Graham wrote: > On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:42:35 -0500 > Eric wrote: > >> Is there an easy way to network them together so that I can transfer >> files between them? Most of the time I would want to transfer from >> the PClinuxOs machine to the other. > [snipped] > > I don't know as I've never tried this except on Ubuntu and Debian based > systems (and PCLinuxOS uses an .rpm packaging system), but if you are > talking about files rather than applications, try a firewire link. > > You will need firewire ports in both computers (so this usually means > installing a firewire card in each) and a firewire cable to connect > them. It works well for me connecting a PowerMac to a Kubuntu Gutsy > machine, and Edubuntu to the same Kubuntu Gutsy machine. > > By why mess about with a networking solution when usb memory sticks are > so inexpensive these days? 'cause you loose all your permissions - unless you format the thing to ext2. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 6 11:48:02 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:48:02 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> Thank goodness for the graphical ui is all I'll say thanks Troy and all But the sate of play is: Multiverse and universe are selected Canonical (Main) and Proprietary (restricted) are not selected ??. I then tried to install the following with Adept M, as advised by the Help page from the K icon on bottom panel / toolbar. As you will see the results are 50:50 success, needless to say still no go with Kafine or K3b. transcode BREAK (install) no go libexvidcore4 install OK sox BREAK (install) no go mjpegtools BREAK (install) no go toolame install OK libdvdread3 install OK There seems to be a lot of issues tied up with the Codecs etc.. so I'll keep on trying. I did try following through with the instructions to get DVD read capability but this is what happened: sudo: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh: command not found cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ I get the feeling I'm digging myself a hole to fall into but it is interesting. Donn wrote: > I think Troy took the right tack: > Graphical way: > 1. Open Adept Package Manager > 2. Go to Adept->Manage Repositories > 3. Check the box next to Multiverse > 4. Close and click the Reload button > > Clark is new to Kubuntu and our cli angle will mangle his brain :) > > \d > > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 12:15:47 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:15:47 +0200 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801061415.47191.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 06 January 2008 13:48:02 Clark wrote: > I get the feeling I'm digging myself a hole to fall into but it is > interesting. Lol :) I feel that way quite often. I actually went on the whole 'play DVDs' kick back in the dark days before Dapper and I never got a total solution. Since I don't own any DVDs and rarely stumble across one worth watching, I have let that whole thing go. I know I can watch individual .vob files in mplayer or VLCplayer - so I'm quite happy to open a DVD and play the individual files one by one. I never did get the funky DVD menu things working. They just get in the way. VLC player is another one worth trying Clark, search for 'vlc' \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 6 14:25:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:25:32 -0400 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> <478070C3.7090308@rmk.co.il> <200801060153.38208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1228517.ektlXnB6V4@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> You will of course need to read some documentation on how to set it all >> up - man nfs >> >> You could instead think about setting up a local ftp server on the >> Kubuntu machine. > > NFS is supposed to be great, but the few times I've played with it, I > couldn't figure out how to set it up quickly enough, and I got bored. > > What I've always done is more secure and easier to use than FTP though. I > run the ssh server on any box I want to copy files to, and simply scp or > rsync files there. Yeah, I hear you. In the end, it always seems easier to just use sftp://... or fish:// (kio slaves rock!). > This sounds like more of a command line dork kind of approach though, and > I bet most normal humans would want to get NFS working, so they could drag > and drop across the network. Did I just say kio slaves rock? Drag and drop, too... With fish: you don't even need the FTP server. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 6 14:58:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:58:16 -0400 Subject: Double size icons in Konqueror Message-ID: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> Suddenly, yesterday, when browsing filesystems in Tree-view in konqueror, the file icons started to show up at twice the usual size (and correspondingly the text rows appear double-spaced). This seems to be true of _every_ directory except my /home/derek folder! Does anyone have an idea what controls this? Fumbling with konqueror settings hasn't helped. The same double-sized icons exist in the Info- and Detailed-List views, but not in the text view (indicating that it's probably the icons causing the double-spacing, and not double-spacing the text causing it to use larger icons). It's a fairly safe bet that there's an alt- or ctrl- key combo that did it (in fact, I'd bet it's alt- as I've been playing with virtual-box recently and use a lot of right-alt combos). -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jan 6 15:14:34 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:14:34 -0600 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801061114.33968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> <200801061114.33968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4780F05A.9030509@swbell.net> I just used Dolphin to test the transfer between my XP machine and the Kubuntu machine using Samba. It worked like a charm. I didn't have the secondary machine booted into Linux so didn't try a transfer that way but would expect it to work. YMMV From jdkaye10 at yahoo.es Sun Jan 6 15:28:59 2008 From: jdkaye10 at yahoo.es (Jonathan Kaye) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:28:59 +0100 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Fred Schaer wrote: > Hi, > > (auxiliary question : why aren't my emails making it to the list ? I don't > receive them, and nor do I see them on the list archives... 3rd attempt) > > I'm desperately trying to record audio (from TV - I have no problem with > capturing the video) that's plugged on the Line in jack of my ASUS P5B > deluxe card. This is an intel HD audio codec (Analog Devices AD1988B), on > a ICH8 chipset. > > I think I tried almost everything : I tried arecord, audacity (and sox > also), but I never get one sound recorded. I get at most some noise. > > Still I *hear* the audio on the PC speakers ! > I can mute this audio doing : > amixer set Line off > or > amixer set 'Analog Mix' off > > I can also change volumes and so on using kmixer or alsamixer, and Line is > selected as an input source in the recording properties of the mixers. > > So I'm wondering what else I could try ? Why can't I get any audio > recorder from the Line source ? The alsa changelogs do not seem to show > many things have been improved concerning the snd_hda_intel module, so I'm > wondering if it's worth spending time trying the 1.0.15 version instead of > the Gutsy 1.0.14 ... > > Would you have any hint on what else I could try or who I should contact ? > Thanks && regards Hi Fred, Assuming you're using alsa, try the alsamixer and go into input mode. Make sure the mic capture and mic input volume are set correctly. Cheers, Jonathan -- Registerd Linux user #445917 at http://counter.li.org/ Please do not send me copies of list mail. I read the lists. Thanks! From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 16:04:33 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer Message-ID: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> Thanks for all the suggestions. People have suggested ssh, ftp, nfs and using a USB stick for sneakerware. I'll have do some more reading for all of those except the USB stick. I've tried NFS before and I couldn't get it to work and I tried ftp this morning and I couldn't get that to work. I haven't tried ssh. Anybody got links to good easy to follow tutorials on any of these? I also thought about using DCC through IRC. Any thoughts? Eric Jackson From karlok at fastmail.fm Sun Jan 6 16:12:35 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:12:35 -0800 Subject: Double size icons in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4780FDF3.70504@fastmail.fm> Derek Broughton wrote: > Suddenly, yesterday, when browsing filesystems in Tree-view in konqueror, > the file icons started to show up at twice the usual size (and > correspondingly the text rows appear double-spaced). This seems to be true > of _every_ directory except my /home/derek folder! > > Does anyone have an idea what controls this? Fumbling with konqueror > settings hasn't helped. The same double-sized icons exist in the Info- and > Detailed-List views, but not in the text view (indicating that it's > probably the icons causing the double-spacing, and not double-spacing the > text causing it to use larger icons). > > It's a fairly safe bet that there's an alt- or ctrl- key combo that did it > (in fact, I'd bet it's alt- as I've been playing with virtual-box recently > and use a lot of right-alt combos). Did you try View -> Icon Size ? Karl From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 16:41:08 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:41:08 +0200 Subject: Double size icons in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801061841.08968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I can't even get Konq to show me detailed-view as the default - it keeps changing to icon-view, despite all my attempts :| Drives me nuts. Your situation sounds odd. I found, by mistake, that ctrl+scroll mousewheel changes the icon size, perhaps you can try that over the tree view. \d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 6 16:41:37 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:41:37 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <1228517.ektlXnB6V4@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> <200801060153.38208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1228517.ektlXnB6V4@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801061141.37922.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Yeah, I hear you. In the end, it always seems easier to just use > sftp://... or fish:// (kio slaves rock!). > Did I just say kio slaves rock? Drag and drop, too... I'll remember this for next time I'm dishing out suggestions. In practice, I still do almost all of my file management straight from the command line. Graphical file management has just never caught on with me for some reason. -- D. Michael McIntyre From karlok at fastmail.fm Sun Jan 6 16:55:01 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:55:01 -0800 Subject: Double size icons in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <200801061841.08968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801061841.08968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478107E5.7020709@fastmail.fm> Donn wrote: > I can't even get Konq to show me detailed-view as the default - it keeps > changing to icon-view, despite all my attempts :| Drives me nuts. > Go to Settings/Config Konqeror/File Associations. Select Inode - directory. Click the Embedded tab and move the view you want to the top. This question keeps cropping up from time to time. There really should be a less obscure way of doing this. Karl From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 6 17:05:34 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:05:34 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Eric wrote: > ssh. Anybody got links to good easy to follow tutorials on any of these? I don't see anything that isn't way more involved than you need to get the most basic kind of setup going. Both machines should have the ssh client applications available, but you won't have a server running unless you start it yourself. You need to install the "openssh-server" package on the destination computer. So let me run through it here at home. Step 1: I turn on my wife's Dapper box and see if she is running sshd $ pgrep sshd She is, but if she weren't, I'd just run $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server and leave all of its defaults in place. Step 2: Now that she's running a server, I need her IP address, or an entry for her computer in my /etc/hosts $ cat /etc/hosts # blah blah blah (privacy stuff deleted) # Wife's computer 192.168.0.101 swmbo So now let's try Derek's trick and see what happens. I have a picture from my camera in ~/Pictures that I want to copy to her desktop. Step 3: So I open ~/Pictures in Konqueror and find the file IMG_1234.JPG [imagine picture] Step 4: Open a new window, and type fish://wife at swmbo Lo, I get a password box thingie, enter her top secret magic password ("myHusbandIsAMegaAwesomeLinuxH4x0r" but don't tell anybody her secret!!) and now I'm in. [imagine picture] So now I can just drag IMG_1234.JPG from me to her, et voilà, it shows up on her box as /home/wife/where/I/put/the/file/IMG_1234.JPG. It's pretty much that simple if you don't want to set up ssh keys for passwordless copying, and with this fish:// protocol thing, it might not be worth the bother. Especially with the [x] Remember password box. (Or you could use scp from the command line like a real man, but I assume most people in the world today aren't raging dweebs like me, so I won't get into that.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 17:13:50 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:13:50 +0200 Subject: Double size icons in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <478107E5.7020709@fastmail.fm> References: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801061841.08968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478107E5.7020709@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200801061913.50889.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > This question keeps cropping up from time to time. There really should > be a less obscure way of doing this. Whoa - that was obscure, but thanks a million! \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 17:22:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:22:59 +0200 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801061923.00076.donn.ingle@gmail.com> :D Comedy and education in one post! Gotta love it. \d From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:06:41 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:06:41 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <478118B1.3020902@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > # Wife's computer > 192.168.0.101 swmbo Thanks for the information. That sounds easy enough. A couple questions. What does swmbo mean or what does it do? If the server is installed, do I need to start it or is it running already if it's installed. Eric Jackson > > So now let's try Derek's trick and see what happens. I have a picture from my > camera in ~/Pictures that I want to copy to her desktop. > > Step 3: So I open ~/Pictures in Konqueror and find the file IMG_1234.JPG > > [imagine picture] > > Step 4: Open a new window, and type fish://wife at swmbo > > Lo, I get a password box thingie, enter her top secret magic password > ("myHusbandIsAMegaAwesomeLinuxH4x0r" but don't tell anybody her secret!!) and > now I'm in. > > [imagine picture] > > So now I can just drag IMG_1234.JPG from me to her, et voilà, it shows up on > her box as /home/wife/where/I/put/the/file/IMG_1234.JPG. > > It's pretty much that simple if you don't want to set up ssh keys for > passwordless copying, and with this fish:// protocol thing, it might not be > worth the bother. Especially with the [x] Remember password box. (Or you > could use scp from the command line like a real man, but I assume most people > in the world today aren't raging dweebs like me, so I won't get into that.) From stew.schneider at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:25:39 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:25:39 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <478118B1.3020902@gmail.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <478118B1.3020902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47811D23.1020806@gmail.com> Eric wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > >> # Wife's computer >> 192.168.0.101 swmbo >> > > Thanks for the information. That sounds easy enough. > > A couple questions. > > What does swmbo mean or what does it do? > swmbo = She Who Must Be Obeyed. MY question is what is this dude doing with MY wife??? stew From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:37:21 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:37:21 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47811FE1.20207@gmail.com> Graham wrote: > > I don't know as I've never tried this except on Ubuntu and Debian based > systems (and PCLinuxOS uses an .rpm packaging system), but if you are > talking about files rather than applications, try a firewire link. > > You will need firewire ports in both computers (so this usually means > installing a firewire card in each) and a firewire cable to connect > them. It works well for me connecting a PowerMac to a Kubuntu Gutsy > machine, and Edubuntu to the same Kubuntu Gutsy machine. What software did you use with the Firewire cable? I've never used Firewire at all. Both the computers came with Firewire ports. Eric Jackson From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:40:24 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:40:24 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> using a fresh instal of Gutsy (7.10) When attempting to download VLC through apt get I got a notice of 4 broken files. I attempted to uninstall and to reinstall with no luck. I then started getting error this might break and no additional programs would be installed at one time started from command line to load java and the picture for java came up but there was no place to say ok I accept and the process hung there 1. How can I unlock apt get? 2. How can I delete broken files witch seem to be preventing my installing anything else? From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 6 18:56:13 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:56:13 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <47811D23.1020806@gmail.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <478118B1.3020902@gmail.com> <47811D23.1020806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801061356.13652.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > > What does swmbo mean or what does it do? > > swmbo = She Who Must Be Obeyed. MY question is what is this dude doing > with MY wife??? LMAO! For the other guy's benefit, it's her computer's hostname. -- D. Michael McIntyre From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 6 19:30:12 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:30:12 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <47811D23.1020806@gmail.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <478118B1.3020902@gmail.com> <47811D23.1020806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801061430.12483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Stew Schneider wrote: >Eric wrote: >> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>> # Wife's computer >>> 192.168.0.101 swmbo >> >> Thanks for the information. That sounds easy enough. >> >> A couple questions. >> >> What does swmbo mean or what does it do? > >swmbo = She Who Must Be Obeyed. MY question is what is this dude doing >with MY wife??? > >stew Damn he gets around, mine too, Stew. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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URL: From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 21:51:14 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:51:14 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <47814D52.4090706@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Eric wrote: >> ssh. Anybody got links to good easy to follow tutorials on any of these? > > I don't see anything that isn't way more involved than you need to get the > most basic kind of setup going. > > Both machines should have the ssh client applications available, but you won't > have a server running unless you start it yourself. You need to install > the "openssh-server" package on the destination computer. Wow, that was very easy to set up on both machines. It couldn't have been much easier! Thank you very much. There is an option to have the server start when the computer is booting up. Is that good to do? Do you think it would be better to just start the server when I need to transfer files? Eric Jackson > > So let me run through it here at home. > > Step 1: I turn on my wife's Dapper box and see if she is running sshd > > $ pgrep sshd > > She is, but if she weren't, I'd just run > > $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server > > and leave all of its defaults in place. > > Step 2: Now that she's running a server, I need her IP address, or an entry > for her computer in my /etc/hosts > > $ cat /etc/hosts > > # blah blah blah (privacy stuff deleted) > > # Wife's computer > 192.168.0.101 swmbo > > So now let's try Derek's trick and see what happens. I have a picture from my > camera in ~/Pictures that I want to copy to her desktop. > > Step 3: So I open ~/Pictures in Konqueror and find the file IMG_1234.JPG > > [imagine picture] > > Step 4: Open a new window, and type fish://wife at swmbo > > Lo, I get a password box thingie, enter her top secret magic password > ("myHusbandIsAMegaAwesomeLinuxH4x0r" but don't tell anybody her secret!!) and > now I'm in. > > [imagine picture] > > So now I can just drag IMG_1234.JPG from me to her, et voilà, it shows up on > her box as /home/wife/where/I/put/the/file/IMG_1234.JPG. > > It's pretty much that simple if you don't want to set up ssh keys for > passwordless copying, and with this fish:// protocol thing, it might not be > worth the bother. Especially with the [x] Remember password box. (Or you > could use scp from the command line like a real man, but I assume most people > in the world today aren't raging dweebs like me, so I won't get into that.) From joemburgess at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:18:30 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:18:30 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478161C6.6090901@gmail.com> As for the locked apt-get, are you running it as root (as in with sudo) or do you have the add/remove programs window open or the update manager open? I know these are simple things, but sometimes people forget. -Joe uriah heep wrote: > using a fresh instal of Gutsy (7.10) > > When attempting to download VLC through apt get I got a notice of 4 > broken files. I attempted to uninstall and to reinstall with no luck. > > I then started getting error this might break and no additional > programs would be installed > > at one time started from command line to load java and the picture for > java came up but there was no place to say ok I accept and the process > hung there > > 1. How can I unlock apt get? > 2. How can I delete broken files witch seem to be preventing my > installing anything else? > > From anton at wilddsl.net.au Mon Jan 7 01:50:34 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:50:34 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> Hi Clark, Clark wrote: > Thank goodness for the graphical ui is all I'll say thanks Troy and all > But the sate of play is: > > Multiverse and universe are selected > Canonical (Main) and Proprietary (restricted) are not selected ??. > > I then tried to install the following with Adept M, as advised by the > Help page from the K icon on bottom panel / toolbar. As you will see > the results are 50:50 success, needless to say still no go with Kafine > or K3b. > > transcode BREAK (install) no go > libexvidcore4 install OK > sox BREAK (install) no go > mjpegtools BREAK (install) no go > toolame install OK > libdvdread3 install OK > > There seems to be a lot of issues tied up with the Codecs etc.. so I'll > keep on trying. I did try following > through with the instructions to get DVD read capability but this is > what happened: > > sudo: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh: command not found > cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ > > I get the feeling I'm digging myself a hole to fall into but it is > interesting. Yes, the graphical route is probably the best way. Avoid shell scripts - one can't tell from the outside whether they play nicely with the package system or not - *unless* you are willing to look inside to see whether they do or not. (On my system, I found and looked inside /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh and it uses dpkg -i to install a .deb file, so I think it does play nicely. But, in general, don't trust other scripts, like Automatix, for example.) I'm on Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty), and to get DVDs playing it should be necessary to do this: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Graphical method: Go into Adept, and "Manage Repositories", click "Third Party Software" tab and enable Medibuntu packages. Click Close. Press "Fetch Updates". Now install the libdvdcss2, libdvdread3 and libxine1-ffmpeg packages. Type each one into the search bar until it shows up in the list, click on the package to open it, click "Request install". Then click "Apply Changes". After this, Kaffeine should be able to play DVDs. If you install VLC, it should be able to as well. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Console method (nearly equivalent to Graphical method): sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 libxine1-ffmpeg sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/feisty.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list (that's one line, by the way) wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update (that's also one line) sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 All done. Testing: kaffeine dvd mplayer dvd:// vlc dvd:// - - - - - - - - - Wait a minute, for WMV, it's probably necessary to also install package w32codecs, but I haven't tried it myself. - - - - - - - - References: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs Regards, Anton. From anton at wilddsl.net.au Mon Jan 7 02:02:56 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:02:56 +1100 Subject: Audio chatters when video plays in forefront In-Reply-To: <477D6ADA.6040302@oem.doe.gov> References: <477D6ADA.6040302@oem.doe.gov> Message-ID: <47818850.5090903@wilddsl.net.au> Hi Douglas, Douglas Phillipson wrote: > I'm using a GForce FX5200 video card, although this problem also > exhibits itself on a Predator LT 4 PCI on Gutsy. Whenever I play video > through any player, the audio chatters. If I place a terminal window or > any other window in front of the Video the audio is fine. The audio > gradually clears up as I slowly move any window in front of the video. > Any ideas? What graphics driver is in use ? Anton. From d.mcglone at att.net Mon Jan 7 02:08:31 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:08:31 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801062108.31691.d.mcglone@att.net> On Sunday 06 January 2008 12:05:34 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Eric wrote: > > ssh. Anybody got links to good easy to follow tutorials on any of these? > > I don't see anything that isn't way more involved than you need to get the > most basic kind of setup going. > > Both machines should have the ssh client applications available, but you > won't have a server running unless you start it yourself. You need to > install the "openssh-server" package on the destination computer. > > So let me run through it here at home. > > Step 1: I turn on my wife's Dapper box and see if she is running sshd > > $ pgrep sshd > > She is, but if she weren't, I'd just run > > $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server > > and leave all of its defaults in place. > > Step 2: Now that she's running a server, I need her IP address, or an > entry for her computer in my /etc/hosts > > $ cat /etc/hosts > > # blah blah blah (privacy stuff deleted) > > # Wife's computer > 192.168.0.101 swmbo > > So now let's try Derek's trick and see what happens. I have a picture from > my camera in ~/Pictures that I want to copy to her desktop. > > Step 3: So I open ~/Pictures in Konqueror and find the file IMG_1234.JPG > > [imagine picture] > > Step 4: Open a new window, and type fish://wife at swmbo > > Lo, I get a password box thingie, enter her top secret magic password > ("myHusbandIsAMegaAwesomeLinuxH4x0r" but don't tell anybody her secret!!) > and now I'm in. > > [imagine picture] > > So now I can just drag IMG_1234.JPG from me to her, et voilà, it shows up > on her box as /home/wife/where/I/put/the/file/IMG_1234.JPG. > > It's pretty much that simple if you don't want to set up ssh keys for > passwordless copying, and with this fish:// protocol thing, it might not be > worth the bother. Especially with the [x] Remember password box. (Or you > could use scp from the command line like a real man, but I assume most > people in the world today aren't raging dweebs like me, so I won't get into > that.) -- > D. Michael McIntyre Why not just use samba and file sharing. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Mon Jan 7 02:39:24 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:39:24 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <478161C6.6090901@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <478161C6.6090901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801062139.24973.d.mcglone@att.net> On Sunday 06 January 2008 6:18:30 pm Joe Burgess wrote: > As for the locked apt-get, are you running it as root (as in with sudo) > or do you have the add/remove programs window open or the update manager > open? I know these are simple things, but sometimes people forget. A good certified technician always starts with the most simple of things. -- David M. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Jan 7 03:07:09 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:07:09 -0500 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <47814D52.4090706@gmail.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <200801061205.34846.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <47814D52.4090706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801062207.09515.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Eric wrote: > Wow, that was very easy to set up on both machines. It couldn't have > been much easier! Thank you very much. Sure, you're welcome. > There is an option to have the server start when the computer is booting > up. Is that good to do? Do you think it would be better to just start > the server when I need to transfer files? I'm going to let someone else weigh in on that one, because I don't talk security in public. -- D. Michael McIntyre From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 7 04:45:42 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:45:42 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> Thanks Anton, I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 and as you suggested I have tracked the Medibuntu repositories, I think this one should do but not entirely sure where and how much to paste into the repository source box but I tried Medibuntu on its own in the source box first and now Adept Manager is hung and when I tried a reload it returned: E: Type 'Medibuntu' is not known on line 67 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read. Looks like I may have to learn how to use kate to delete line 67 but that will take time. Any other suggestions appreciated. The proper repository add. follows but do I enter the line or from medibuntu or ??? * Ubuntu 7.10 "*Gutsy* Gibbon": sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list Anton Rolls wrote: > Hi Clark, > > Clark wrote: > >> Thank goodness for the graphical ui is all I'll say thanks Troy and all >> But the sate of play is: >> >> Multiverse and universe are selected >> Canonical (Main) and Proprietary (restricted) are not selected ??. >> >> I then tried to install the following with Adept M, as advised by the >> Help page from the K icon on bottom panel / toolbar. As you will see >> the results are 50:50 success, needless to say still no go with Kafine >> or K3b. >> >> transcode BREAK (install) no go >> libexvidcore4 install OK >> sox BREAK (install) no go >> mjpegtools BREAK (install) no go >> toolame install OK >> libdvdread3 install OK >> >> There seems to be a lot of issues tied up with the Codecs etc.. so I'll >> keep on trying. I did try following >> through with the instructions to get DVD read capability but this is >> what happened: >> >> sudo: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh: command not found >> cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ >> >> I get the feeling I'm digging myself a hole to fall into but it is >> interesting. >> > > Yes, the graphical route is probably the best way. > Avoid shell scripts - one can't tell from the outside > whether they play nicely with the package system or not - > *unless* you are willing to look inside to see whether > they do or not. > (On my system, I found and looked inside > /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh > and it uses dpkg -i to install a .deb file, so I think > it does play nicely. But, in general, don't trust other > scripts, like Automatix, for example.) > > I'm on Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty), and to get DVDs playing > it should be necessary to do this: > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Graphical method: > > Go into Adept, and "Manage Repositories", click > "Third Party Software" tab and enable Medibuntu packages. > Click Close. > > Press "Fetch Updates". > > Now install the libdvdcss2, libdvdread3 and libxine1-ffmpeg > packages. Type each one into the search bar until it > shows up in the list, click on the package to open it, > click "Request install". Then click "Apply Changes". > > After this, Kaffeine should be able to play DVDs. > If you install VLC, it should be able to as well. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Console method (nearly equivalent to Graphical method): > > sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 libxine1-ffmpeg > > sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/feisty.list -O > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list > (that's one line, by the way) > > wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | > sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update > (that's also one line) > > sudo apt-get update > > sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 > > All done. > > Testing: > > kaffeine dvd > > mplayer dvd:// > > vlc dvd:// > > - - - - - - - - - > > Wait a minute, for WMV, it's probably necessary to also > install package w32codecs, but I haven't tried it myself. > > - - - - - - - - > > References: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs > > Regards, > > Anton. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 04:54:48 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:54:48 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <200801062139.24973.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <478161C6.6090901@gmail.com> <200801062139.24973.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801062054j4cc0f7bepbaa7ce78ad7bb46f@mail.gmail.com> I was using the KDE apt get program but to the best of my knowledge shut it down. Obviously something is not closed as I keep getting message that another program is using apt get. What I do not know. I just want to be able to close what ever it is. And then replace the broken files. If someone will tell me specificly what to enter I am fine doing it at command line as I need to learn how to use it more. Thanks Uriah On 1/6/08, David McGlone wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2008 6:18:30 pm Joe Burgess wrote: > > As for the locked apt-get, are you running it as root (as in with sudo) > > or do you have the add/remove programs window open or the update manager > > open? I know these are simple things, but sometimes people forget. > > A good certified technician always starts with the most simple of things. > > -- > David M. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Jan 7 05:44:44 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:44:44 +0100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801070644.44425.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 07 January 2008 05:45, Clark wrote: > E: Type 'Medibuntu' is not known on line 67 in source list > /etc/apt/sources.list > E: The list of sources could not be read. Are you sure it is no 'medibuntu' (uncapitalisez 'm') > Looks like I may have to learn how to use kate to delete line 67 but > that will take time. Don't do that, but If you've ever used word or notepad or something similar you'll figure it out in only a minute, kate is very intuitive. You don't need to paste either now but there is a nice trick that works in most of kde apps: instead of the traditional cut/copy and paste (ctrl+x/ctrl+c and ctrl+v) you can just highlight the text (click and drag mouse is one way), then position the cursor and press the middle mouse button to paste. cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #316: Elves on strike (Why do they call EMAG Elf Magic?) From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:02:41 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 01:02:41 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0801062054j4cc0f7bepbaa7ce78ad7bb46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <478161C6.6090901@gmail.com> <200801062139.24973.d.mcglone@att.net> <69c7ddfb0801062054j4cc0f7bepbaa7ce78ad7bb46f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801062202y67d06203hfe0679a759be432b@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 6, 2008 11:54 PM, uriah heep wrote: > I was using the KDE apt get program but to the best of my knowledge > shut it down. Obviously something is not closed as I keep getting > message that another program is using apt get. What I do not know. I > just want to be able to close what ever it is. And then replace the > broken files. > > If someone will tell me specificly what to enter I am fine doing it at > command line as I need to learn how to use it more. > > Thanks > Uriah Maybe try: sudo dpkg --configure -a This should unstick the database. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 7 06:01:52 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:01:52 +0000 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> uriah heep wrote: > using a fresh instal of Gutsy (7.10) > > When attempting to download VLC through apt get I got a notice of 4 > broken files. I attempted to uninstall and to reinstall with no luck. > > I then started getting error this might break and no additional > programs would be installed > > at one time started from command line to load java and the picture for > java came up but there was no place to say ok I accept and the process > hung there > > 1. How can I unlock apt get? > 2. How can I delete broken files witch seem to be preventing my > installing anything else? > > Try: sudo dpkg --configure -a which should give you, at least, an error message that you can copy and paste here... Hopefully it will bring up the Java license in a form that you can complete it properly. If that happens, the block will clear and you'll be able to install VLC. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From karlok at fastmail.fm Mon Jan 7 06:11:21 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:11:21 -0800 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0801062054j4cc0f7bepbaa7ce78ad7bb46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <478161C6.6090901@gmail.com> <200801062139.24973.d.mcglone@att.net> <69c7ddfb0801062054j4cc0f7bepbaa7ce78ad7bb46f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4781C289.3020307@fastmail.fm> uriah heep wrote: > I was using the KDE apt get program but to the best of my knowledge > shut it down. Obviously something is not closed as I keep getting > message that another program is using apt get. What I do not know. I > just want to be able to close what ever it is. And then replace the > broken files. > This command will list the processes using the package system lock file and ask if you want to kill them: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock Karl From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:59:48 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:59:48 +0200 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> What does VLC (vlc video player, right?) have to do with Java? \d From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 7 07:00:10 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:00:10 +0000 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> Donn wrote: > What does VLC (vlc video player, right?) have to do with Java? > > \d > > Nothing directly, I think. But the OP was trying to install Java and it failed thus blocking any other installs... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 11:07:25 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:07:25 +0000 Subject: Issue with Updating and Upgrading Message-ID: <200801071107.25721.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> Hi Does anyone know what this could be about when I run 'sudo apt-get update' ?? Fetched 14B in 5s (3B/s) Reading package lists... Error! E: Problem parsing dependency Depends E: Error occurred while processing kexi (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. AMD64, mostly working fine apart from the above. -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 12:50:24 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:50:24 -0500 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <3dde113c0801070450x74f024c3t530d527520a47889@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 6, 2008 11:45 PM, Clark wrote: > E: Type 'Medibuntu' is not known on line 67 in source list > /etc/apt/sources.list > E: The list of sources could not be read. > > Looks like I may have to learn how to use kate to delete line 67 but that > will take time. Any other suggestions appreciated. The proper repository > add. follows but do I enter the line or from medibuntu or ??? > > > - > > Ubuntu 7.10 "*Gutsy* Gibbon": > > sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list > > > If you run the command just above, it will put the right information into a separate file, which makes it easier to manage. I don't know how you changed sources.list, but it looks like a comment line was uncommented. I would try and undo what you did and see what happens. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 13:43:18 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:43:18 +0200 Subject: Upgrade existing Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) to =?iso-8859-1?q?Kubuntu=097=2E10?=(GutsyGibbon) in one step In-Reply-To: <87lk71rdzw.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <0JSK009KEM4LDT00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <475C1887.4040101@gmail.com> <87lk71rdzw.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200801071543.18626.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 7.10 doesn't have long-term support. 8.04 will have long term support. App. not Kubuntu 8.04, due to KDE 4. \d http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 14:00:55 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:00:55 -0500 Subject: Upgrade existing Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 7.10(GutsyGibbon) in one step In-Reply-To: <87lk71rdzw.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <0JSK009KEM4LDT00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <475C1887.4040101@gmail.com> <87lk71rdzw.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <47823097.4030609@gmail.com> John L Fjellstad wrote: > Eric writes: > >> I'm glad I could help. I wasn't so fortunate as you. As I mentioned I >> had gone from from 6.06 to 6.6 to 7.04 successfully. When I tried to >> upgrade to 7.10 the computer crashed somewhere near the end of the >> installation. I have reinstalled 6.06 and I'm trying to decide what to >> do. 6.06 has long term support as does 7.10. > > 7.10 doesn't have long-term support. 8.04 will have long term support. > I posted that awhile ago. I even tried again to install 7.10, going through each release, step by step. No luck again when I got to 7.10. I could see during the installation process that it was having a problem opening a device a number of times. I went back to using 6.06 and I'm happy. Thanks for pointing out that 7.10 is not an LTS release. Eric Jackson From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 14:20:11 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:20:11 +0200 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" Message-ID: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is behaving very odd. How can I go back to "non Enterprise" version? Sinclair From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 14:34:42 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:34:42 +0100 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 07 January 2008 15:20:11 O. Sinclair wrote: > I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" > Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to > how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is > behaving very odd. I got it. Right click on the folder, the one before last option. One thing I can't find is the beautiful import option that kmail had. Where has it gone? -- lanzen From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 14:49:16 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:49:16 +0200 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801071649.16619.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > How can I go back to "non Enterprise" version? I didn't even know there was such a thing... How would one install it vs the standard kmail stuff? \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 15:06:39 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:06:39 +0200 Subject: Two links to free Gnu/Linux ebooks. Message-ID: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Thought these were nice: http://freebooks.homelinux.org/ and http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/ HTH \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 15:04:32 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:04:32 -0500 Subject: Two links to free Gnu/Linux ebooks. In-Reply-To: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2008 10:06 AM, Donn wrote: > Thought these were nice: > http://freebooks.homelinux.org/ > and > http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/ > > > HTH > \d > -- > I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: > http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Wow Donn, you really hit the honeypot! :) Thanks! --Rob (Kubuntu user and damn proud of it!) -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. 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I can not find the option to >> how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is >> behaving very odd. > > I got it. Right click on the folder, the one before last option. thanks! If I could now just figure out how to rearrange the panes in Contact I might feel at home again... From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Jan 7 15:16:24 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:16:24 -0500 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801071016.24660.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Monday 07 January 2008 9:34:42 am lanzen wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2008 15:20:11 O. Sinclair wrote: > > I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" > > Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to > > how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is > > behaving very odd. > > I got it. Right click on the folder, the one before last option. > > One thing I can't find is the beautiful import option that kmail had. Where > has it gone? > > -- >lanzen Kmail's email import applet is in a separate package called kmailcvt, so you may need to check if it is installed (can't remember if it is by default or not) -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Jan 7 15:36:11 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:36:11 -0500 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801071036.11746.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Monday 07 January 2008 9:20:11 am O. Sinclair wrote: > I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" > Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to > how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is > behaving very odd. > > How can I go back to "non Enterprise" version? > > Sinclair You would have to build from source :( The enterprise branch of Kontact, which it seems Suse and possibly mandriva ship as well, have more bug fixes in them, as in the huge imap bugs there used to be. As for folder expiry, my kmail (Gutsy) has the Expire option if I right-click on a folder, click 'expire', and edit the settings from there. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Jan 7 15:39:07 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:39:07 +0200 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> My daughter is complaining that her gutsy install only has gimp rc >> (release candidate) available - and that there are loads of things that >> don't work. >> Why is there no 'stable' version available - or at least one that works >> [mostly]? > > What doesn't work? > > I'm having a lot of trouble finding some things that have moved around, but it > seems to be working just fine so far as I've encountered with what I've > tried. Sorry for taking so long to reply - I finally managed to get my daughter to write down the problem: She wants to add a border to an image. She right-clicks > Filters > Decor > Border. She chooses a size in the dialogue box (1 for both x & y) then OK. The Gimp starts the process but ends with an error message: Gimp Message Plug-in 'Add Border' left image undo in inconsistent state, closing open undo groups. Any ideas? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 7 15:38:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:38:48 -0400 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2008 15:20:11 O. Sinclair wrote: > >> I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" >> Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to >> how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is >> behaving very odd. > > I got it. Right click on the folder, the one before last option. ?? There is no "Enterprise" version, only some different views. > One thing I can't find is the beautiful import option that kmail had. > Where has it gone? That was never part of kmail. The package is called kmailcvt. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 7 15:36:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:36:59 -0400 Subject: Upgrade existing Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 7.10(GutsyGibbon) in one step References: <0JSK009KEM4LDT00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <475C1887.4040101@gmail.com> <87lk71rdzw.fsf@fjellstad.org> <200801071543.18626.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2944278.2M3LvBENuA@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: >> 7.10 doesn't have long-term support. 8.04 will have long term support. > App. not Kubuntu 8.04, due to KDE 4. That's not what I understood - Kubuntu will still have LTS, it just won't have KDE4. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 7 15:33:06 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:33:06 -0400 Subject: Double size icons in Konqueror References: <6243390.DWO6uectkj@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801061841.08968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478107E5.7020709@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1463301.mcDgKMnoTI@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl wrote: > Donn wrote: >> I can't even get Konq to show me detailed-view as the default - it keeps >> changing to icon-view, despite all my attempts :| Drives me nuts. >> > > Go to Settings/Config Konqeror/File Associations. > > Select Inode - directory. Click the Embedded tab and move the view you > want to the top. > > This question keeps cropping up from time to time. There really should > be a less obscure way of doing this. Indeed. I know how to do it, now, because I had to ask here twice (having forgotten how after the first time). Thanks for pointing out the Icon Size, Karl. That's actually considerably less obscure than the file association issue (in fact, for everything but my home dir it was set to Medium), but now I have to wonder what's special about the home directory (which was set to Default). Fortunately changing it to Default in another directory worked for everything. -- derek From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 15:55:27 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:55:27 -0500 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 10:39 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > > >> My daughter is complaining that her gutsy install only has gimp rc > >> (release candidate) available - and that there are loads of things that > >> don't work. > >> Why is there no 'stable' version available - or at least one that works > >> [mostly]? > > I noticed that my version, just doing regular updates, is now at 2.4.2. This is not an RC version, but an update to 2.4 Maybe doing an update via the Gutsy repositories will help? > Sorry for taking so long to reply - I finally managed to get my daughter > to write down the problem: > > She wants to add a border to an image. She right-clicks > Filters > > Decor > Border. She chooses a size in the dialogue box (1 for both x & > y) then OK. > The Gimp starts the process but ends with an error message: > > Gimp Message > Plug-in 'Add Border' left image undo in inconsistent state, closing open > undo groups. > This works fine for me. I would suggest doing an update (command line would be something like: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade) and see if you get a newer version with more bug-fixes. I have 2.4.2 now. The other would be checking memory usage and swap space usage. Perhaps doing this operation when first starting GIMP would work, while later when more memory is in use it would not. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 7 15:35:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:35:43 -0400 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer References: <477FC18B.8070709@gmail.com> <200801060153.38208.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1228517.ektlXnB6V4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801061141.37922.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1309250.ibln1AX2gm@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Yeah, I hear you. In the end, it always seems easier to just use >> sftp://... or fish:// (kio slaves rock!). > >> Did I just say kio slaves rock? Drag and drop, too... > > I'll remember this for next time I'm dishing out suggestions. In > practice, I still do almost all of my file management straight from the > command line. Graphical file management has just never caught on with me > for some reason. Well, it's not a criticism of your advice, in any way, because I generally stick to command line solutions for advice, anyway. It's much easier to be explicit in email with command line examples. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 16:12:43 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:12:43 +0200 Subject: Upgrade existing Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) to =?utf-8?q?Kubuntu=097=2E10?=(GutsyGibbon) in one step In-Reply-To: <2944278.2M3LvBENuA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <0JSK009KEM4LDT00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <200801071543.18626.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2944278.2M3LvBENuA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801071812.43862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > That's not what I understood - Kubuntu will still have LTS, it just won't > have KDE4. I got my info from an RSS feed: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/frequently-asked-questions/ From that: It seems the blog posts about Kubuntu Hardy and LTS were too long and too complex, so some people still wonder what the plan is. Here’s a short and foolproof FAQ about it. Q: Is Kubuntu 8.04 “Hardy Heron” going to ship KDE 4.0 ? A: Yes, if nothing goes wrong, it is going to ship (as in ShipIt) a Live CD with a KDE4.0 desktop and some KDE3 applications that are not ready yet (Amarok, Kaffeine, digiKam, Kontact etc). Q: Is there going to be a Kubuntu Hardy KDE3 Live CD, too? A: Yes, you will be able to download it from kubuntu.org. Q: What happens when I upgrade from Kubuntu Gutsy to Hardy? A: You will get a KDE3 desktop. You can easily install the KDE4.0 one from the repositories if you would like to try it. Q: Is Kubuntu Hardy going to be an LTS? A: No. \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Jan 7 16:34:53 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:34:53 +0100 Subject: Two links to free Gnu/Linux ebooks. In-Reply-To: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801071734.54016.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 07 January 2008 16:06, Donn wrote: > Thought these were nice: > http://freebooks.homelinux.org/ > and > http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/ > > > HTH > \d > -- > I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: > http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ I just had a look at the front pages, looks like a gold mine, some day I will have to dig into that more deeply. Thanks a lot Perry -- BOFH excuse #22: monitor resolution too high From k7qo at commspeed.net Mon Jan 7 16:38:25 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:38:25 -0700 Subject: kmail thread Message-ID: <200801070938.26070.k7qo@commspeed.net> Thanks to the individuals that have been running the Kmail thread. I was wondering why certain things were happening aperiodically and now I know. In Settings->ConfigureKmail down at the bottom of the pull-down menu is Misc. And somewhere there is a default of "delete trash" upon program exit. I would never ever set that and certainly wish it was not the default. I lost some stuff that I wanted to retrieve, even though I did a delete the messages. I assumed that they would remain there until I personally came along and deleted them from the trash. It is the equivalent of carrying out the trash once a week thing at home. Don't come and pick up the trash until I say it is OK and I put it on the front curb.... :-) FYI Chuck -- Chuck Adams, K7QO k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jan 7 16:51:33 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:51:33 -0600 Subject: Upgrade existing Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 7.10(GutsyGibbon) in one step In-Reply-To: <200801071812.43862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <0JSK009KEM4LDT00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <200801071543.18626.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2944278.2M3LvBENuA@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801071812.43862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47825895.9070504@swbell.net> Donn wrote: >> That's not what I understood - Kubuntu will still have LTS, it just won't >> have KDE4. >> > I got my info from an RSS feed: > http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/frequently-asked-questions/ > From that: > > It seems the blog posts about Kubuntu Hardy and LTS were too long and too > complex, so some people still wonder what the plan is. Here’s a short and > foolproof FAQ about it. > Q: Is Kubuntu 8.04 “Hardy Heron” going to ship KDE 4.0 ? > A: Yes, if nothing goes wrong, it is going to ship (as in ShipIt) a Live CD > with a KDE4.0 desktop and some KDE3 applications that are not ready yet > (Amarok, Kaffeine, digiKam, Kontact etc). > Q: Is there going to be a Kubuntu Hardy KDE3 Live CD, too? > A: Yes, you will be able to download it from kubuntu.org. > Q: What happens when I upgrade from Kubuntu Gutsy to Hardy? > A: You will get a KDE3 desktop. You can easily install the KDE4.0 one from > the repositories if you would like to try it. > Q: Is Kubuntu Hardy going to be an LTS? > A: No. > > \d > That raises a question or two in my mind: Q: Will Ubuntu 8.04 have LTS? Q: Does that mean that Kubuntu will have to wait two more years? [ If above yes ] From phillipd at oem.doe.gov Mon Jan 7 17:14:10 2008 From: phillipd at oem.doe.gov (Douglas Phillipson) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:14:10 -0800 Subject: Audio chatters when video plays in forefront In-Reply-To: <47818850.5090903@wilddsl.net.au> References: <477D6ADA.6040302@oem.doe.gov> <47818850.5090903@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <47825DE2.9090502@oem.doe.gov> Anton Rolls wrote: > Hi Douglas, > > Douglas Phillipson wrote: > >> I'm using a GForce FX5200 video card, although this problem also >> exhibits itself on a Predator LT 4 PCI on Gutsy. Whenever I play video >> through any player, the audio chatters. If I place a terminal window or >> any other window in front of the Video the audio is fine. The audio >> gradually clears up as I slowly move any window in front of the video. >> Any ideas? >> > > What graphics driver is in use ? > > Anton. > > I've tried both the "nv" and the proprietary one through the "restricted-manager". The chattering occurs using both. Doug P From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 7 17:27:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:27:11 -0400 Subject: kmail thread References: <200801070938.26070.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <15384898.mO5InOuZaA@cedar.serverforest.com> Chuck Adams wrote: > > In Settings->ConfigureKmail down at the bottom of > the pull-down menu is Misc. And somewhere there > is a default of "delete trash" upon program exit. > I would never ever set that and certainly wish it > was not the default. I lost some stuff that I > wanted to retrieve, even though I did a delete > the messages. I assumed that they would > remain there until I personally came along and > deleted them from the trash. > > It is the equivalent of carrying out the trash once > a week thing at home. Don't come and pick up > the trash until I say it is OK and I put it on the > front curb.... :-) In KMail's defence, I'd say (a) I believe it's default IMAP behaviour, so not unreasonable for their local folders; and (b) how did the stuff get in the trash in the first place? - You _did_ put the trash on the curb - it's not unreasonable for the garbage collector to pick it up! -- derek From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de Mon Jan 7 18:30:53 2008 From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:30:53 +0100 Subject: kmail Mailadress Message-ID: <200801071930.53969.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Hello, i have i problem with kmail. When i type in the adressfeld of a new mail, kamil offers me a list of adresses fom my adressbook. I type two or three letters and scrolls then in the list to the adress, where I'm looking for. Kmail puts the name of every adress I scroll over, in front in the adressfield. It looks like: "Brown, "Tom, "Mail-Echo" Is this a bug in kmail or is somthing wrong in my properties? Thanks Thomas From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Jan 7 18:54:34 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:54:34 +0200 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> John DeCarlo wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 10:39 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>> On Friday 04 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> >>>> My daughter is complaining that her gutsy install only has gimp rc >>>> (release candidate) available - and that there are loads of things that >>>> don't work. >>>> Why is there no 'stable' version available - or at least one that works >>>> [mostly]? > > > I noticed that my version, just doing regular updates, is now at 2.4.2. > This is not an RC version, but an update to 2.4 > > Maybe doing an update via the Gutsy repositories will help? > > >> Sorry for taking so long to reply - I finally managed to get my daughter >> to write down the problem: >> >> She wants to add a border to an image. She right-clicks > Filters > >> Decor > Border. She chooses a size in the dialogue box (1 for both x & >> y) then OK. >> The Gimp starts the process but ends with an error message: >> >> Gimp Message >> Plug-in 'Add Border' left image undo in inconsistent state, closing open >> undo groups. >> > > This works fine for me. > > I would suggest doing an update (command line would be something like: > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade) and see if you get a newer version with more > bug-fixes. I have 2.4.2 now. > > The other would be checking memory usage and swap space usage. Perhaps > doing this operation when first starting GIMP would work, while later when > more memory is in use it would not. > > It is a fresh gutsy install with all updates (just did an update; dist-upgrade). The Gimp is still 'Release Candidate'. I played with the 'decor' scripts in the 'filters' menu and all but the first two (border and bevel border) work. Border gives the error message whilst bevel border doesn't do anything. After trying any of the two border effects, I have to close and restart the Gimp in order for those scripts to start [trying to] work again. I will try on another gusty machine tomorrow..... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de Mon Jan 7 19:06:25 2008 From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:06:25 +0100 Subject: kmail Mailadress In-Reply-To: <200801071930.53969.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> References: <200801071930.53969.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <200801072006.25533.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Am Montag 07 Januar 2008 19:30:53 schrieb Thomas Amberger: > Hello, > > i have i problem with kmail. When i type in the adressfeld of a new mail, > kamil offers me a list of adresses fom my adressbook. I type two or three > letters and scrolls then in the list to the adress, where I'm looking for. > > Kmail puts the name of every adress I scroll over, in front in the > adressfield. It looks like: > > "Brown, "Tom, "Mail-Echo" > > Is this a bug in kmail or is somthing wrong in my properties? > > Thanks > > Thomas I fogott something: I use Kubuntu 7.10 and this issue is since i updateted from the erlier version From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 7 20:21:12 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:21:12 +0100 Subject: sound recording does not work on intel HD audio ?? In-Reply-To: <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <477E7F1D.8000604@wanadoo.fr> <200801042130.39621.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> <477FABBA.4080902@wanadoo.fr> <200801051317.35037.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <478289B8.9060702@wanadoo.fr> Hi, Just for fun : I'm still trying things, but here are some results : I managed recording audio with arecord with following command : arecord -r 44100 -c 2 -f S16_LE | lame -x - out.mp3 Thing is that in order to get that, I had to - I'm using the alsa option model=6stack - have "Front Mic" selected as 1st input source (inpurt sources 2 and 3 don't seem to work at all) - It is *Line in* controls that change the sound on the PC speakers - Headphones have top be unmuted in alsa play section (why ??) - in the alsamixer, "Digital" has to be about "-3.50" dB, otherwise, there's either no sound or just cracking noise (!) -- by the way : is this normal this gain can be set between -30 and +30 dB ?? I doubt these values are usefull... - capture volume does not seem to have any effect... As you see, this is really really weird... I'm going to retry with no module option, to see if it helped or not (considering the Digital dB behaviour, I had no chance tweaking settings with kmix - dB values were far too low or too high when adjusted with mouse...) Cheers P.S : I had no luck recording audio with mencoder , still trying but I fear alsa recording is buggy there ;) D. Michael McIntyre a écrit : > On Saturday 05 January 2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > >> I just checked, I don't have snd-hda-intel (or snd_hda_intel ?) anywhere >> in /etc : maybe the module is loaded in the initrd ? In that case, I'll >> try to regenerate the initrd files... >> > > You won't find a kernel module in /etc. The modules are the various .ko files > under /lib/modules/$YOUR_KERNEL_VERSION, but you have no reason to go > screwing around with any of that. The modules are not going to be loaded by > your initd, which is only for critical modules necessary for booting, like > the drivers for filesystems and various kinds of storage hardware. > > What you want to start with is lsmod to see which modules are loaded. You'll > probably find your snd_hda_intel there. I don't know how to fix your > problem, but I deal with how_to_get_sound_working issues constantly, and I've > seen a lot of people reporting problems with Intel and HD in them, to the > point where I really hate that chip, even though I don't know anything about > it. > > I'd try the ALSA upgrade first. Who knows. > From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 21:02:45 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:02:45 +0100 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801072202.45766.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 07 January 2008 16:38:48 Derek Broughton wrote: > That was never part of kmail.  The package is called kmailcvt. Thanks Derek and Clay! I felt pretty sure I had it installed _with_ kontact in fiesty, but I might be wrong. Actually I feel that keeping it separate is a more reasonable way of going about it: one just installs it whenever needed and takes it off once done as it's not a daily necessity, really. But I'm sure I was using KMail 1.9.7 - no enterprise - after an upgrade while in fiesty. Oh well, beam me up, Scottie! ;) -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 22:17:57 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:17:57 +0100 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <200801072202.45766.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801072202.45766.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801072317.57462.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Quoting myself: > Actually I feel that keeping it separate is a more reasonable way of > going about it Well, heck, I don't believe me eyes! Now, this is a clean Kubuntu install - I just wanted a clean, fresh gutsy - and I went to adept just to see what the kmailcvt package looked like, not that i wanted to get it, but just in case I needed it some time or another, so there it was... kmailcvt... what!!! installed! I never! It has always been there! So, I guess, if you have kmail or kontact you should have it too. Please, try to run kmailcvt in a terminal and let me know. Now, again, on afterthought, I'm pretty sure It was listed in a kmail's menu in a previous version. -- lanzen From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 01:32:05 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:32:05 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> the below was what I got when I invoked the suggested commands in konsole sudo dpkg –configure -a gives below result [sudo] password for uriah: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sunwderby: sunwderby depends on sun-java5-jre; however: Package sun-java5-jre is not installed. dpkg: error processing sunwderby (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of imq: imq depends on sun-java5-jre; however: Package sun-java5-jre is not installed. dpkg: error processing imq (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of glassfish-bin: glassfish-bin depends on sunwderby (>= 1.0-1); however: Package sunwderby is not configured yet. glassfish-bin depends on imq (>= 1.0-1); however: Package imq is not configured yet. glassfish-bin depends on sun-java5-jre; however: Package sun-java5-jre is not installed. dpkg: error processing glassfish-bin (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: sunwderby imq glassfish-bin uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock [sudo] password for uriah: uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ sudo apt-get -f apt 0.7.6ubuntu14 for i386 compiled on Oct 15 2007 20:39:10 Usage: apt-get [options] command apt-get [options] install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...] apt-get [options] source pkg1 [pkg2 ...] apt-get is a simple command line interface for downloading and installing packages. The most frequently used commands are update and install. Commands: update - Retrieve new lists of packages upgrade - Perform an upgrade install - Install new packages (pkg is libc6 not libc6.deb) remove - Remove packages purge - Remove and purge packages source - Download source archives build-dep - Configure build-dependencies for source packages dist-upgrade - Distribution upgrade, see apt-get(8) dselect-upgrade - Follow dselect selections clean - Erase downloaded archive files autoclean - Erase old downloaded archive files check - Verify that there are no broken dependencies Options: -h This help text. -q Loggable output - no progress indicator -qq No output except for errors -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives -s No-act. Perform ordering simulation -y Assume Yes to all queries and do not prompt -f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails -m Attempt to continue if archives are unlocatable -u Show a list of upgraded packages as well -b Build the source package after fetching it -V Show verbose version numbers -c=? Read this configuration file -o=? Set an arbitrary configuration option, eg -o dir::cache=/tmp See the apt-get(8), sources.list(5) and apt.conf(5) manual pages for more information and options. This APT has Super Cow Powers. uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ The error message I get when trying to load a program (abcde) there was an error committing changes. possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the committ would break packages The packages that are broken are glassfish-bin suns open source java (TM) EE 5 application server ing sun java (tm) system message que sunwderby java (tm) db Anyone got any ideas or should I just wipe it and reinstall? uriah On Jan 7, 2008 2:00 AM, Wulfy wrote: > Donn wrote: > > What does VLC (vlc video player, right?) have to do with Java? > > > > \d > > > > > Nothing directly, I think. But the OP was trying to install Java and it > failed thus blocking any other installs... > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. 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URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 8 01:44:31 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:44:31 +0000 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4782D57F.1020302@tiscali.co.uk> uriah heep wrote: > the below was what I got when I invoked the suggested commands in konsole > > > sudo dpkg –configure -a > > gives below result > > > [sudo] password for uriah: > > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sunwderby: > > sunwderby depends on sun-java5-jre; however: > > Package sun-java5-jre is not installed. > Do you have a Java runtime installed? That seems to be what is missing according to the error messages. And it should be the java5 not the java6 stuff... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jan 8 02:03:56 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:03:56 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0801070450x74f024c3t530d527520a47889@mail.gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> <3dde113c0801070450x74f024c3t530d527520a47889@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4782DA0C.70600@wilddsl.net.au> Hi Clark, John DeCarlo wrote: > I don't know how you changed sources.list, but it looks like a comment > line was uncommented. I would try and undo what you did and see what > happens. I agree with John, it looks like it is a missing comment problem. Lines beginning with # are comments. Anything that reads like plain English in these files should be commented. If you show us the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list (and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list , if it exists) then we can tell you easily if there is a misplaced or missing comment. Regards, Anton. From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 03:26:23 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:26:23 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <4782D57F.1020302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> <4782D57F.1020302@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801071926k4ae7b01bk4e1bf21598bac2e1@mail.gmail.com> Not that I am aware of. To be positive how do I do a search? Uriah On Jan 7, 2008 8:44 PM, Wulfy wrote: > uriah heep wrote: > > the below was what I got when I invoked the suggested commands in > konsole > > > > > > sudo dpkg –configure -a > > > > gives below result > > > > > > [sudo] password for uriah: > > > > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sunwderby: > > > > sunwderby depends on sun-java5-jre; however: > > > > Package sun-java5-jre is not installed. > > > > > Do you have a Java runtime installed? That seems to be what is missing > according to the error messages. And it should be the java5 not the > java6 stuff... > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 8 05:24:12 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:24:12 +0000 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0801071926k4ae7b01bk4e1bf21598bac2e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> <4782D57F.1020302@tiscali.co.uk> <69c7ddfb0801071926k4ae7b01bk4e1bf21598bac2e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478308FC.4010902@tiscali.co.uk> uriah heep wrote: > Not that I am aware of. To be positive how do I do a search? > Uriah At the Konsole: java --version If you have Java installed, it'll tell you what version it is. If not, you get an error message. :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From spwhite at freesurf.ch Tue Jan 8 05:41:53 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:41:53 +0100 Subject: kmail thread In-Reply-To: <15384898.mO5InOuZaA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801070938.26070.k7qo@commspeed.net> <15384898.mO5InOuZaA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801080641.53826.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 07 January 2008 18:27, Derek Broughton wrote: > > a week thing at home.  Don't come and pick up > > the trash until I say it is OK and I put it on the > > front curb.... :-):-) > > In KMail's defence, I'd say (a) I believe it's default IMAP behaviour, so > not unreasonable for their local folders; and (b) how did the stuff get in > the trash in the first place? - You _did_ put the trash on the curb - it's > not unreasonable for the garbage collector to pick it up! OTHO desktop trashcan wait for you to empty them. This difference in behaviour might desserve a warning. Occasionnaly I have used the trashcan to store files because it is an already made folder, that is usually empty (mine at least) and easy to find. Perry -- BOFH excuse #268: Neutrino overload on the nameserver From k7qo at commspeed.net Tue Jan 8 05:55:51 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:55:51 -0700 Subject: kmail thread In-Reply-To: <200801080641.53826.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801070938.26070.k7qo@commspeed.net> <15384898.mO5InOuZaA@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801080641.53826.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801072255.51110.k7qo@commspeed.net> On Monday 07 January 2008 22:41:53 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2008 18:27, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > a week thing at home.  Don't come and pick up > > > the trash until I say it is OK and I put it on the > > > front curb.... :-):-) > > > > In KMail's defence, I'd say (a) I believe it's default IMAP behaviour, so > > not unreasonable for their local folders; and (b) how did the stuff get > > in the trash in the first place? - You _did_ put the trash on the curb - > > it's not unreasonable for the garbage collector to pick it up! > > OTHO desktop trashcan wait for you to empty them. This difference in > behaviour might desserve a warning. > Occasionnaly I have used the trashcan to store files because it is an > already made folder, that is usually empty (mine at least) and easy to > find. > > Perry > > -- > BOFH excuse #268: Neutrino overload on the nameserver When I delete a mail item, it goes into the Kmail trash folder. That is (IMHO) like putting papers from the desk to the trash receptacle next to the desk. Or in the trash bin. The trash man doesn't come into the house and empty my trash. To me, that is what Kmail is doing. I thought that it would not be deleted from the file system until I deleted from the trash folder in Kmail. That is what I'm saying. Evolution does not delete until I delete the item from the trash folder. If two programs like evolution and kmail differ in behaviour then I think that the first time the program is run a message or information should be noted to the user. Thought for the masses and program developers. Authors of books would be the first to write the behaviour in the program chapter. I think I might go back to UNIX mail or pine...... :-) FYI -- Chuck Adams, K7QO k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 06:20:01 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:20:01 +0200 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47831611.9040006@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > lanzen wrote: > >> On Monday 07 January 2008 15:20:11 O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" >>> Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to >>> how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is >>> behaving very odd. >> I got it. Right click on the folder, the one before last option. > > ?? There is no "Enterprise" version, only some different views. Quote from www.kubuntu.org release notes on v 7.10 "Kontact, the Personal Information Manager in Kubuntu 7.10, unites an entire suite of PIM applications in one central environment. We now include the Enterprise version of Kontact, for advanced functionality." According to kde-pim-users mailing list this will be supported longer than "normal" version after release of KDE4 since it is maintained by a company in Sweden who uses it for commercial clients/purposes Sinclair From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 09:32:40 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:32:40 +0100 Subject: Google at it's best! Message-ID: SEARCH: husemannstr. 1 45879 Gelsenkirchen Did you mean: hosemonster. 1 45879 Gelsenkirchen DEK From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:00:11 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:00:11 +0200 Subject: Google at it's best! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478349AB.2000203@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > SEARCH: husemannstr. 1 45879 Gelsenkirchen > > Did you mean: hosemonster. 1 45879 Gelsenkirchen > > DEK > Slightly ;-) off topic but still good fun! From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 8 12:17:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:17:45 -0400 Subject: kmail Mailadress References: <200801071930.53969.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <200801072006.25533.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <2639412.fxacVu1bfS@cedar.serverforest.com> Thomas Amberger wrote: > Am Montag 07 Januar 2008 19:30:53 schrieb Thomas Amberger: >> Hello, >> >> i have i problem with kmail. When i type in the adressfeld of a new mail, >> kamil offers me a list of adresses fom my adressbook. I type two or three >> letters and scrolls then in the list to the adress, where I'm looking >> for. >> >> Kmail puts the name of every adress I scroll over, in front in the >> adressfield. It looks like: >> >> "Brown, "Tom, "Mail-Echo" >> >> Is this a bug in kmail or is somthing wrong in my properties? > > I use Kubuntu 7.10 and this issue is since i updateted from the erlier > version Can you try to explain this in a little more detail? If I enter a single character, most of my address book will pop up and scrolling down (using the cursor keys) will pop each one into the address field in turn, but every one replaces the previous setting - so there's only ever one address in the box. So I wonder what you are doing differently. Also, is that exactly what you're seeing? It's interesting that you have two unterminated strings in the address field - which would indicate it isn't even pulling in the whole field. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 8 13:09:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:09:08 -0400 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801072202.45766.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3250981.dxvCEoEf4T@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2008 16:38:48 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> That was never part of kmail.  The package is called kmailcvt. > > Thanks Derek and Clay! > > I felt pretty sure I had it installed _with_ kontact in fiesty, but I > might be wrong. No, I'm pretty sure you're right (at least that it was installed as a dependency of kubuntu-desktop, once). > Actually I feel that keeping it separate is a more > reasonable way of going about it: one just installs it whenever needed and > takes it off once done as it's not a daily necessity, really. > > But I'm sure I was using KMail 1.9.7 - no enterprise - after an upgrade > while in fiesty. Oh well, beam me up, Scottie! ;) There has been some work to give KMail the option of an Outlook-like interface (ugh!), but afaik anything that could be called "Enterprise" is just options. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 8 13:12:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:12:32 -0400 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> <47831611.9040006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5947878.8gDIEQx5l1@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> lanzen wrote: >> >>> On Monday 07 January 2008 15:20:11 O. Sinclair wrote: >>> >>>> I am not really enjoying the switchover to the "Enterprise" >>>> Kontact/Kmail that came with Gutsy 7.10. I can not find the option to >>>> how long folders should keep messages and the Contacts editing page is >>>> behaving very odd. >>> I got it. Right click on the folder, the one before last option. >> >> ?? There is no "Enterprise" version, only some different views. > Quote from www.kubuntu.org release notes on v 7.10 > "Kontact, the Personal Information Manager in Kubuntu 7.10, unites an > entire suite of PIM applications in one central environment. We now > include the Enterprise version of Kontact, for advanced functionality." > > According to kde-pim-users mailing list this will be supported longer > than "normal" version after release of KDE4 since it is maintained by a > company in Sweden who uses it for commercial clients/purposes But what I was saying is that there are not two different kontacts in kubuntu - it's the same kontact, different selected options, afaict. After all, there's only one package with "kontact" in the name in Ubuntu. -- derek From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 8 13:26:42 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:26:42 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <5947878.8gDIEQx5l1@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <200801071534.42663.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <14286171.bIH73F6kup@cedar.serverforest.com> <47831611.9040006@gmail.com> <5947878.8gDIEQx5l1@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080108132642.GC9116@muse.19inch.net> On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:12:32AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > But what I was saying is that there are not two different kontacts in > kubuntu - it's the same kontact, different selected options, afaict. After > all, there's only one package with "kontact" in the name in Ubuntu. There are two versions. the Enterprise branch is used in default 7.10. You can get the KDE normal 3.5.8 version from gutsy-backports. Jonathan From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 8 13:15:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:15:37 -0400 Subject: broken files and apt get locked References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1737100.74g9i7NqSx@cedar.serverforest.com> uriah heep wrote: > the below was what I got when I invoked the suggested commands in konsole > > > sudo dpkg ?configure -a > > gives below result ... # sudo aptitude -f install IE, don't forget the "install". -- derek From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de Tue Jan 8 14:10:03 2008 From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:10:03 +0100 Subject: kmail Mailadress In-Reply-To: <2639412.fxacVu1bfS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801071930.53969.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <200801072006.25533.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <2639412.fxacVu1bfS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801081510.04389.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Hello, Am Dienstag 08 Januar 2008 13:17:45 schrieb Derek Broughton: > Can you try to explain this in a little more detail? > i will try it: I open a new mail in kmail (I use Kontakt, but in kmail direkt its the same). When i type one (or more) character in the to-field, kmail offers me a list of adresses from my adressbook. Then i scroll to the adress, i wanted. If its for example the third adress, kmail puts for every adress i scroll over the first string of the name in front of the to-field. On the adress i want, i press return and the adress will be added behind the beginnings of the adresses before in the list. It looks like: "Will, "Mark, "Mail-Echo" I must delete the two false parts af the adress. I used kmail in the two kubuntu-versions before 7.10 and it works ok. Thanks Thomas From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Jan 8 14:14:51 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:14:51 -0500 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <20080108132642.GC9116@muse.19inch.net> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <5947878.8gDIEQx5l1@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080108132642.GC9116@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200801080914.51768.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 08 January 2008 8:26:42 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:12:32AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > > But what I was saying is that there are not two different kontacts in > > kubuntu - it's the same kontact, different selected options, afaict. > > After all, there's only one package with "kontact" in the name in Ubuntu. > > There are two versions. the Enterprise branch is used in default > 7.10. You can get the KDE normal 3.5.8 version from gutsy-backports. > > Jonathan How do we select the backports version? It is not listed for me, backports enabled. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 8 14:31:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:31:52 -0400 Subject: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <5947878.8gDIEQx5l1@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080108132642.GC9116@muse.19inch.net> <200801080914.51768.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4643230.IdxnQsIyjQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2008 8:26:42 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:12:32AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > But what I was saying is that there are not two different kontacts in >> > kubuntu - it's the same kontact, different selected options, afaict. >> > After all, there's only one package with "kontact" in the name in >> > Ubuntu. >> >> There are two versions. the Enterprise branch is used in default >> 7.10. You can get the KDE normal 3.5.8 version from gutsy-backports. > > How do we select the backports version? It is not listed for me, backports > enabled. > I see the same: # grep -r backports /etc/apt/source* | grep gutsy /etc/apt/sources.list~:deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ \ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse # apt-cache policy kontact kontact: Installed: 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 Candidate: 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 Version table: *** 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 8 14:33:06 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:33:06 -0400 Subject: kmail Mailadress References: <200801071930.53969.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <200801072006.25533.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <2639412.fxacVu1bfS@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801081510.04389.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <6426845.0MDQQAxue6@cedar.serverforest.com> Thomas Amberger wrote: > Am Dienstag 08 Januar 2008 13:17:45 schrieb Derek Broughton: >> Can you try to explain this in a little more detail? > > i will try it: > > I open a new mail in kmail (I use Kontakt, but in kmail direkt its the > same). > When i type one (or more) character in the to-field, kmail offers me a > list > of adresses from my adressbook. Then i scroll to the adress, i wanted. If > its for example the third adress, kmail puts for every adress i scroll > over the first string of the name in front of the to-field. On the adress > i want, i press return and the adress will be added behind the beginnings > of the adresses before in the list. It looks like: > > "Will, "Mark, "Mail-Echo" > > I must delete the two false parts af the adress. > I used kmail in the two kubuntu-versions before 7.10 and it works ok. Sorry, all I can say is it doesn't work that way for me :-( -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 16:09:31 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:09:31 +0100 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: Kontact Enterprise or "normal" In-Reply-To: <20080108132642.GC9116@muse.19inch.net> References: <4782351B.5020601@gmail.com> <5947878.8gDIEQx5l1@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080108132642.GC9116@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200801081709.31248.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 08 January 2008 14:26:42 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > There are two versions.  the Enterprise branch is used in default > 7.10.  You can get the KDE normal 3.5.8 version from gutsy-backports. Oh yes, that was what I was using in fiesty: I upgraded to 3.5.8. I seem to remember it was a beta or RC. Has it reach the stable status? -- lanzen From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Jan 8 18:03:35 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:03:35 +0200 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <4783BAF7.6090009@rmk.co.il> Nigel Ridley wrote: > John DeCarlo wrote: >> On Jan 7, 2008 10:39 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>>> On Friday 04 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>> >>>>> My daughter is complaining that her gutsy install only has gimp rc >>>>> (release candidate) available - and that there are loads of things that >>>>> don't work. >>>>> Why is there no 'stable' version available - or at least one that works >>>>> [mostly]? >> >> I noticed that my version, just doing regular updates, is now at 2.4.2. >> This is not an RC version, but an update to 2.4 >> >> Maybe doing an update via the Gutsy repositories will help? >> >> >>> Sorry for taking so long to reply - I finally managed to get my daughter >>> to write down the problem: >>> >>> She wants to add a border to an image. She right-clicks > Filters > >>> Decor > Border. She chooses a size in the dialogue box (1 for both x & >>> y) then OK. >>> The Gimp starts the process but ends with an error message: >>> >>> Gimp Message >>> Plug-in 'Add Border' left image undo in inconsistent state, closing open >>> undo groups. >>> >> This works fine for me. >> >> I would suggest doing an update (command line would be something like: >> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade) and see if you get a newer version with more >> bug-fixes. I have 2.4.2 now. >> >> The other would be checking memory usage and swap space usage. Perhaps >> doing this operation when first starting GIMP would work, while later when >> more memory is in use it would not. >> >> > > It is a fresh gutsy install with all updates (just did an update; > dist-upgrade). The Gimp is still 'Release Candidate'. > I played with the 'decor' scripts in the 'filters' menu and all but the > first two (border and bevel border) work. Border gives the error message > whilst bevel border doesn't do anything. After trying any of the two > border effects, I have to close and restart the Gimp in order for those > scripts to start [trying to] work again. > > I will try on another gusty machine tomorrow..... > > Blessings, > > Nigel > I tried on another gutsy machine, and it too has Gimp Release Candidate ant it too produces the same error whilst trying to create a border on an image. Anybody else have similar results? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From T.Six at gmx.de Tue Jan 8 18:33:18 2008 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:33:18 +0100 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: Nigel Ridley wrote the following on 07.01.2008 19:54 > Nigel > $ apt-cache policy gimp gimp: Installiert:(keine) Mögliche Pakete:2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1 Versions-Tabelle: 2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1 0 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-proposed/main Packages ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 0 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages HTH -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Jan 8 19:30:53 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:30:53 +0200 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <4783CF6D.9030003@rmk.co.il> Thilo Six wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote the following on 07.01.2008 19:54 > > > >> Nigel >> > > $ apt-cache policy gimp > gimp: > Installiert:(keine) > Mögliche Pakete:2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1 > Versions-Tabelle: > 2.4.2-0ubuntu0.7.10.1 0 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-proposed/main Packages > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 0 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages > > > HTH If I understand correctly, I have to add: http://il.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-proposed/main Packages to my sources.list (il - I live in Israel) to get the stable version of the gimp. So why does the default sources.list give a Release Candidate version? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From T.Six at gmx.de Tue Jan 8 21:23:58 2008 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:23:58 +0100 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <4783CF6D.9030003@rmk.co.il> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <200801042149.38356.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4782479B.5070305@rmk.co.il> <3dde113c0801070755r6e749c1bmcc9fa698442b8c83@mail.gmail.com> <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> <4783CF6D.9030003@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: Nigel Ridley wrote the following on 08.01.2008 20:30 > So why does the default sources.list give a Release Candidate version? Well there is structure behind the ubuntu archives: *-security - as it´s name says *-updates - bugfixes for the stable branch which are less restrictive then "only pure security fixes" *-proposed - "public beta" for fixes that will be later on moved over to *-updates. That is due to QA reasons. so *-proposed has always to activated manually, as this means: "Yes i am aware of less tested bugfixes and would like to help them to go into the official archive"-Policy. > Blessings, > > Nigel bye -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Tue Jan 8 21:51:38 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:51:38 +0000 Subject: Looping through folders in KMail Message-ID: <200801082151.44411.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> I'm using KMail 1.9.6 under Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) In the past I've used the setting to Loop in All Folders to go through unread mail, and it's worked fine. Unfortunately, in this release it seems not to be working. Once mail in one folder has been read, pressing <+> no longer moves to the next folder with unread mail. Somebody has suggested that this is a Gutsy problem, no a KMail problem Is somebody right? 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When I returned she said she wanted XP because Kubuntu was illogical (which of course fried my brain since I find it 100% _more_ intuitive than most other OSs) so I pressed her to list the things that caused her to say that. They were: 1/ The font names were all different (Okay, can't help that one but I'm sure we could work through relearning that little pest) AND 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) It got me thinking...that is one of the things that first annoyed me about KDE, that it is _cool_ to name your program starting with a "K". I realise that it serves a small purpose (identifying KDE vs Gnome programs and ducking TM issues) but surely to anyone trying to MOVE to Kubuntu, it would look a bit...immature (like putting "z" on the end of words to make you 1337). It just feels like and in-joke that needs to die if KDE wants to be taken even more seriously. Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. From jarosser06 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 22:34:26 2008 From: jarosser06 at gmail.com (Jim Rosser) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:34:26 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: I agree it does kind of get annoying but it does help to easily identify between desktops. However KDE is not the only one who does this i have seen alot of programs starting with G for gnome as well. On Jan 8, 2008 4:25 PM, WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > I gave my friend, a very educated young lass, a live CD of Kubuntu as > she was wanting me to downgrade her Vista laptop to XP and I thought it > was my civic duty to show her another option. I said "Play around with > it for a day and see if it does what you want" which, after some > convincing, she did. > > When I returned she said she wanted XP because Kubuntu was illogical > (which of course fried my brain since I find it 100% _more_ intuitive > than most other OSs) so I pressed her to list the things that caused her > to say that. They were: > > 1/ The font names were all different (Okay, can't help that one but I'm > sure we could work through relearning that little pest) AND > > 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > > It got me thinking...that is one of the things that first annoyed me > about KDE, that it is _cool_ to name your program starting with a "K". I > realise that it serves a small purpose (identifying KDE vs Gnome > programs and ducking TM issues) but surely to anyone trying to MOVE to > Kubuntu, it would look a bit...immature (like putting "z" on the end of > words to make you 1337). It just feels like and in-joke that needs to > die if KDE wants to be taken even more seriously. > > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Once mail in one folder has been read, pressing <+> no longer > moves to the next folder with unread mail. > > Somebody has suggested that this is a Gutsy problem, no a KMail problem Is > somebody right? > > Rosie > From james at gray.net.au Tue Jan 8 22:41:00 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:41:00 +1100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <5A2A9621-0B34-42F8-A1AC-FB8E1967ACC8@gray.net.au> On 09/01/2008, at 9:25 AM, WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. One of the most popular KDE applications, that is actually installed on many Gnome desktops too, is "Amarok". It's a media player al la "iTunes" and extremely good at what it does. In many ways (even as a Mac user[1]) I still prefer Amarok over iTunes :P But I agree, the incessant naming everything with a "K" is starting to wear thin, the same as Apple sticking "i" in front of everything (we're over it....move on Steve!). I don't have a problem if the KDE project wants to name their core applications, like Kontact, Koffice, etc, with a "K" to identify them as kore (pun intended) but the third party developers (like me) need to get a little more imaginative with their naming schemes. Cheers, James [1] I run Kubuntu on my desktop at work. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I said "Play around with > it for a day and see if it does what you want" which, after some > convincing, she did. > > When I returned she said she wanted XP because Kubuntu was illogical > (which of course fried my brain since I find it 100% _more_ intuitive > than most other OSs) so I pressed her to list the things that caused her > to say that. They were: > > 1/ The font names were all different (Okay, can't help that one but I'm > sure we could work through relearning that little pest) AND > > 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > > It got me thinking...that is one of the things that first annoyed me > about KDE, that it is _cool_ to name your program starting with a "K". I > realise that it serves a small purpose (identifying KDE vs Gnome > programs and ducking TM issues) but surely to anyone trying to MOVE to > Kubuntu, it would look a bit...immature (like putting "z" on the end of > words to make you 1337). It just feels like and in-joke that needs to > die if KDE wants to be taken even more seriously. > > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get a blank stare. K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 01:36:50 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:36:50 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > a blank stare. > > K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. > > Dotan Cohen K3B is such a great app though its name doesnt matter. If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? Anyone who uses the distros knows what the apps are so i dont see a problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunagin at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 01:52:18 2008 From: edunagin at gmail.com (Edward Dunagin) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:52:18 -0700 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2af451740801081752t41d23498o96829b979bc3d59a@mail.gmail.com> Hey Guy's and Gal's, On Jan 8, 2008 6:36 PM, Martin Walshe wrote: > > > > > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > > > > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > > a blank stare. > > > > K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > K3B is such a great app though its name doesnt matter. If you want the > normal why are you on a linux distro? Anyone who uses the distros knows what > the apps are so i dont see a problem. You know you can always change the name of the application to whatever you want. That's what the mv command is all about Edward Dunagin-Dunigan-Dunnigan 4646 Glenwood Drive Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 http://doas.montanalinux.org From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:25:43 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:25:43 -0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) Winamp WinSCP winword winrar winmine win.com (yup... windows/system32 in winxp) c'mon, would you just configure your kde correctly and end this subject already or would you like me to start talking about iHaveAPattentForThatBeforeYou and iLLSueYou too? Regards, Norberto From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Wed Jan 9 02:42:49 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:42:49 +1100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Norberto Bensa wrote: >>WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: >> 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > >c'mon, would you just configure your kde correctly and end this >subject >already or would you like me to start talking about >iHaveAPattentForThatBeforeYou and iLLSueYou too? >Regards, >Norberto If you'd actually bothered to _read_ the entire email it wasn't _me_ personally complaining. Simply put, a _potential_ user saw an incredibly minor aesthetic issue and it turned her off using the entire system (what a shame). Spouting out a list of WinXP programs (winword is the executable not the program name, the only others that ring a bell being WinRar, a utility and WinAmp, a now considerably unpopular [to what it used to be] media player) isn't addressing what IS an issue. My argument still stands, adding "Win" to the front of a program seems to identify it to Windows, misspelling a work with "K" on the front to someone not familiar with KDE looks like just that, a misspelling. I hope all minor criticisms aren't met with such dismissal, it just seems arrogant. I accept that it may not be something that will ever be changed but cutting off feedback from a missed user is a terribly silly thing to do! Everyone was a KDE newbie at one stage. -Mal From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 9 03:04:40 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <200801082204.40809.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 08 January 2008, WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. I think the real bottom line here has nothing to do with the names, but with everything being different. People hate different. It goes the other way too. My wife never did much with a computer until she finally had some reason to start exchanging email. She went straight from DOS 3.X to Ubuntu Dapper or so, and this is all she knows of the modern world. I did a business-related experiment on her box, and set it up to boot Windows Vista as the default OS for awhile, with the whole Microsoft Office suite and a ton of other normal mainstream "real" software. I actually thought she'd like it better, since Windows is the king of the universe and stuff, but nothing could have been further from the truth. She totally despised everything about Windows, and couldn't figure out how to do anything, because the fonts had different names, and all the applications looked strange, and had weird names. Like WinAmp instead of MPlayer, or Outlook instead of KMail, and most importantly of all, where was KMahjongg? That was the deal breaker right there. I heard no end of bitching until I obliterated Windows and fixed her computer. Anyway, Rosegarden's name dates back to way before KDE. The current KDE-based version is the third remake of the original. -- D. Michael McIntyre From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 03:05:20 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:05:20 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <478439F0.7@gmail.com> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Simply put, a _potential_ user saw an incredibly minor aesthetic issue > and it turned her off using the entire system (what a shame). We are clear, aren't we, that the naming convention, in all likelihood, *wasn't* the problem? I don't disagree that the K naming convention is cute to the point of pointlessness, but that's hardly the problem. The problem is that KDE is different. Sit down at anybody else's computer. Try to do anything. Does not, "this is *wrong*", scream at you, even if the computer is well maintained and functioning? It's just human inertia. We don't like to change things after we've become used to something else. For most folks "the computer" is synonymous with MS Windows. Ask most folks where the computer is and they'll point to the screen. The box is just there to hold the carpet down. The Start button is at the lower left, because that is where it was prophesied to be by the prophet Jeremiah and it darn well better have that Windows thing on it. Most folks have no idea what an operating system is, and don't care to. What they want to do is type a letter or browse the web and anything that gets in the way of their doing that by being different or looking different screams "this is wrong". This is part of the reason why VISTA uptake is so slow. It's different. Of course, the rest of the reason is that it's trash, but I digress.... Linux users tend to be those too cussed to deal with Microsoft's nuttiness, or interested enough to know why "the computer" has to have that box hooked onto it, or people who actually know and care what goes on inside the box. We're a distinct subset of the typical computer user. It's like the Jimmy Dean sausage commercial. Sun is cooking up a Jimmy Dean breakfast and offering it to Cloud. Cloud says he only eats cold cereal. Sun asks "Come on! Why wouldn't you try something different?" Cloud responds, "Cereal is cold and wet. It's a cloud thing. You wouldn't understand." Windows is cold and wet. It's an ordinary user thing... Just my 2 cents worth. stew From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jan 9 03:25:53 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:25:53 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <47843EC1.6020202@swbell.net> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > I gave my friend, a very educated young lass, a live CD of Kubuntu as > she was wanting me to downgrade her Vista laptop to XP and I thought it > was my civic duty to show her another option. I said "Play around with > it for a day and see if it does what you want" which, after some > convincing, she did. > > When I returned she said she wanted XP because Kubuntu was illogical > (which of course fried my brain since I find it 100% _more_ intuitive > than most other OSs) so I pressed her to list the things that caused her > to say that. They were: > > 1/ The font names were all different (Okay, can't help that one but I'm > sure we could work through relearning that little pest) AND > > 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > > It got me thinking...that is one of the things that first annoyed me > about KDE, that it is _cool_ to name your program starting with a "K". I > realise that it serves a small purpose (identifying KDE vs Gnome > programs and ducking TM issues) but surely to anyone trying to MOVE to > Kubuntu, it would look a bit...immature (like putting "z" on the end of > words to make you 1337). It just feels like and in-joke that needs to > die if KDE wants to be taken even more seriously. > > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. > > In fact it's not just Kubuntu/KDE. It's pretty much a Linux problem. I know, I know. The names are usually acronyms [ although for the life of me I can't think of a great example off the top of my head - senior moment { this hair is not blond, it's gray } ]. But, they are hard for a noob to figure out the first time they see some of them. [ how the hell does a noob see "kooka" and KNOW it's scanning/OCR software - if it didn't tell you in the menu ] Hell, I still get the giggles when I see some of the names things get [ I mean where the hell did "airsnort" come from - airsniff maybe .................... but airsnort?????? ] It doesn't take long to figure out what things do despite the names. But I can see where it might put someone off. It's not that the software is poor, most is at the very least as good as the commercial stuff and mostly better, it's just that the names could use a bit of help. How are people supposed to take it serious when a list of program names reads like a Robin Williams monologue. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 9 04:03:30 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:03:30 -0500 Subject: Gimp rc on Gutsy - why? In-Reply-To: <4783BAF7.6090009@rmk.co.il> References: <477E3658.3040500@rmk.co.il> <4782756A.2040003@rmk.co.il> <4783BAF7.6090009@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801082303.30892.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 08 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > ant it too produces the same error whilst trying to create a border on > an image. > > Anybody else have similar results? Yes. Same error here. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 9 04:05:20 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:05:20 -0500 Subject: Upgrade existing Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 7.10(GutsyGibbon) in one step In-Reply-To: <47825895.9070504@swbell.net> References: <0JSK009KEM4LDT00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <200801071812.43862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47825895.9070504@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801082305.20682.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 07 January 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > That raises a question or two in my mind: > > Q: Will Ubuntu 8.04 have LTS? > > Q: Does that mean that Kubuntu will have to wait two more years? [ If > above yes ] Yes, and I assume yes. -- D. Michael McIntyre From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 04:19:23 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:19:23 -0300 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <20080109011923.fyzi6ihq84o0gsks@mail.bensa.ar> Quoting WANSTALL Malcolm : > Simply put, a _potential_ user saw an incredibly minor aesthetic issue... I guess that very same user had no problem with WINsomething and iSomething. I don't see why Gsomething and Ksomething is a problem for him/her. And no. It was not an attack on you. I'm sorry very much if you took that way. I'm subscribed to many MLs (Gentoo, Kubuntu, KDE*) and this topic comes every now and then (more often than I'd like) and I would like it to die already. K* and G* is an easy way to know which environment does the application run (which libraries do you need, etc.) Regards, Norberto ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Wed Jan 9 04:37:50 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:37:50 +1100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109011923.fyzi6ihq84o0gsks@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Norberto Bensa wrote: >I guess that very same user had no problem with WINsomething and >iSomething. I don't see why Gsomething and Ksomething is a problem for >him/her. > >And no. It was not an attack on you. I'm sorry very much if you took >that way. I'm subscribed to many MLs (Gentoo, Kubuntu, KDE*) and this >topic comes every now and then (more often than I'd like) and I would >like it to die already. K* and G* is an easy way to know which >environment does the application run (which libraries do you need, >etc.) After initially Googling this topic to see if I could find any strong words for it, I couldn't however if, as you say, this topic won't die, then maybe I certainly _do_ have a point. I would hate to think something as trivial as an unprofessional naming convention could get in the way of someone discovering such a fantastic OS/windows manager (which in some cases it clearly is). I'm not going to rebut any of the Win*/i* comments more than to say the Win* products (whilst in the VAST minority of Windows programs) do _not_ encourage the intentional and trite misspelling of words...as for the i-Suite, I don't use them therefore can't comment but I'd say they'd also fall into the "trendy" bucket of programs that people new to them may not take seriously...there is also the millions of dollars Apple pours in to branding to help sell those silly names. Being involved with an international company juggling over 40 brands I know how important names are to the adoption of products sight unseen and as a Linux and open source fan I hate to see our products sold short. It's a part of Linux where I see massive potential and a simple way to reach more people. Oh, and I didn't take it personally, I just didn't think it was ready to die! :) And thanks to Rosie earlier for the ms fonts package! I'd gotten so used to Linux fonts I'd forgotten about it. -Mal From stan10x10 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 04:56:10 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:56:10 -0500 Subject: broken files and apt get locked In-Reply-To: <1737100.74g9i7NqSx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <69c7ddfb0801061040t22f451a1j50ac15aeb664de22@mail.gmail.com> <4781C050.1020700@tiscali.co.uk> <200801070859.48638.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4781CDFA.5000206@tiscali.co.uk> <69c7ddfb0801071732u599aed74p49127bbdf8d1c14e@mail.gmail.com> <1737100.74g9i7NqSx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801082056k731d829by9e71eeae4744f17d@mail.gmail.com> In konsole I invoked sudo aptitude -f install I got sudo] password for uriah: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Initializing package states... Done Writing extended state information... Done Building tag database... Done The following packages are BROKEN: glassfish-bin imq sunwderby The following packages have been kept back: glassfish sun-java5-bin 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. The following packages have unmet dependencies: sunwderby: Depends: sun-java5-jre but it is not installable glassfish-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre but it is not installable imq: Depends: sun-java5-jre but it is not installable Resolving dependencies... E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the glassfish package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java5-bin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Install the following packages: sun-java5-jre [1.5.0-13-0ubuntu1 (gutsy)] Score is 41 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] y The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: sun-java5-jre The following packages have been kept back: glassfish sun-java5-bin The following NEW packages will be installed: sun-java5-jre The following partially installed packages will be configured: glassfish-bin imq sunwderby 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 16.6MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y Writing extended state information... Error! E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the glassfish package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java5-bin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) uriah at The-Fourth-Horseman:~$ Is there any way to remove the broken packages. I tried using remove from aptitude and got the same old error message Thank you folks for your help Uriah On Jan 8, 2008 8:15 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > uriah heep wrote: > > > the below was what I got when I invoked the suggested commands in > konsole > > > > > > sudo dpkg ?configure -a > > > > gives below result > > ... > > # sudo aptitude -f install > > IE, don't forget the "install". > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Jan 9 05:02:01 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:02:01 +1000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47845549.2040201@bielenberg.id.au> Martin Walshe wrote: > > > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will > get > a blank stare. > > K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. > > Dotan Cohen > > > K3B is such a great app though its name doesnt matter. If you want the > normal why are you on a linux distro? Anyone who uses the distros > knows what the apps are so i dont see a problem. > Ok, lets jump the fence for a moment! What the hell is Nero? or Adobe Acrobat,? Windows has it's fair share of weird names! Just as someone now to computing has a learning curve so do new users to KDE or Gnome. I struggled at 1st with the names but now it is 2nd nature. My wife who is a typical Windows user (past tense) had Kubuntu thrust upon her when her Windows machine kept blue screening while on a deadline to finish an assignment last year, I got her to get out my laptop, log in & pointed her to the shares where her files were on the server & bingo she was back in action. Her learning curve was not that great & now she is a great ambassador to Linux/Kubuntu (she even wears a Kubuntu polo to work some days) The reason for my ramble is anything different has a learning curve! If you have the motivation or need you will learn very easily. On a lighter side one of her friends was complaining about her machine blue screening, her response was "whats a blue screen?" Cary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 05:15:27 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:15:27 -0300 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> Quoting WANSTALL Malcolm : > Win* products (whilst in the VAST minority of Windows programs) do _not_ > encourage the intentional and trite misspelling of words... What misspelling? Konqueror for Conqueror? Kontact for Contact? You know KDE was born in Germany and people there actually speak German, don't you? :) Would you had a problem if it was named Kcontact? Kconqueror? What does winamp mean? What does it do? Microsoft Word. It doesn't mean anything to me. Because guess what: I speak SPANISH! Would Microsoft rename it Microsoft Palabra? And while we are at it. What does Microsoft Word do? Is it a spellchecker? On the other hand. OpenOffice Calc is named OpenOffice Planilla de Cálculo if you install language-pack-es and it is a big plus for us non-us/gb people ;) Don't let potential users use Linux on their own. Guide them. Show them. Tell them Linux is different. It does has all the things they need but they're just named different. Don't leave them alone... And just one more thing. The real problem is: most people think a computer is Windows. It won't change. Never. > Being involved with an international company juggling over 40 brands I > know how important names are to the adoption of products sight unseen > and as a Linux and open source fan I hate to see our products sold > short. It's a part of Linux where I see massive potential and a simple > way to reach more people. Then you know how many greens are involved in branding and marketing. And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be meanful to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... Regards, Norberto ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Wed Jan 9 05:45:21 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:45:21 +1100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Norberto Bensa wrote: >Would you had a problem if it was named Kcontact? Kconqueror? No, actually that seems to make it look more silly. As someone pointed out earlier, I have less of an issue with the core products, more the 3rd party ones tend to be pushing the limit...realising these core ones do have some brand behind them it's a bit adventurous for me to want a change. >Microsoft Word. It doesn't mean anything to me. Because guess what: I >speak SPANISH! Would Microsoft rename it Microsoft Palabra? And while >we are at it. What does Microsoft Word do? Is it a spellchecker? I beg to differ, Microsoft Word _does_ mean something to you, as a branded product. You know _exactly_ what it does because of the amount of money behind the brand and all kinds of advertising. Products with less financial clout have to be more clever to be seen. >On the other hand. OpenOffice Calc is named OpenOffice Planilla de >Cálculo if you install language-pack-es and it is a big plus for us >non-us/gb people ;) That's a VERY clever feature of OOo and please note I'm not trying to take away from any software itself (especially not OOo since I use it, and all of the K* programs daily) >And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be meanful >to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... That's a valid point and I take that on board. I think we're both aiming at different points a little here, I'm not trying to argue with the internationalisation of KDE, I think that is fantastic, what I would like to see is some more creativity and thought put into the branding (thus naming) of top notch software. It does have a habit of scaring away some new people and I'd like to see the barriers to entry as low as possible. Possibly there is a new position to add to open source dev teams, even for little projects, someone with some marketing experience...someone from...the outside world. :) -Mal From roger at rogerchrisman.com Wed Jan 9 06:46:59 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:46:59 -0800 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801082246s62c72cr9dfed0bb55474fc5@mail.gmail.com> K3B, a great brand name. Who can forget it? I'd say it stands for KDEBurner but I'd probably be wrong[1]. K3B sure beats KDEB or KDEBurner. Programmers cleave to short snappy names like the rest of us. I don't think there is a problem with the names. I read this whole thread, from top to here, with interest. Names are important. Names are as names do. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K3b Cheers, Roger Chrisman I *like* my name :-) From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 9 07:16:39 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:16:39 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <200801090816.39376.kassube@gmx.net> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > I gave my friend, a very educated young lass, a live CD of Kubuntu as > she was wanting me to downgrade her Vista laptop to XP and I thought it > was my civic duty to show her another option. I said "Play around with > it for a day and see if it does what you want" which, after some > convincing, she did. If some convincing is necessary, it is no wonder if she came up with some silly arguments why not to use the new thing. What she meant was really "I don't want to learn something new". Even if the program names were brilliant, there would be some other reason why not to use it. In that situation there is no chance to convert someone - don't force people to use Linux. I have given Linux distros to several people. I have never heard anyone complaining about all those application names with a K instead of a C. Either people are willing to try something new or there is no chance at all. Nils From sonoftheclayr at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 07:18:57 2008 From: sonoftheclayr at gmail.com (Luke Knowles) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:18:57 +1100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801082246s62c72cr9dfed0bb55474fc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <21ec8dcb0801082246s62c72cr9dfed0bb55474fc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There's nothing wrong with thw KDE naming convention for most of the apps. KTorrent for example is a good one. It identifies itself as being a KDE app and at the same time a BitTorrent client. It's a better name than Transmission for new users. But, then again, not many new users would know what BitTorrent is. For apps like Firefox it isn't just the name that people identify it with, it's also the icon. Someone who has been using the internet for a short while gets a friend who installs Firefox on their computer. They see the world icon and think it must be something to do with the Internet. And for them the Internet is a web browser. Easy. The KOffice app names are great, like KTorrent they identify as being a KDE app and what they do. And going through my menu now (I have a SUSE-style menu, but I'm fairly sure it's the same for the KMenu) most of the apps don't have their names highlighted. It has something like "Image Viewer" and under it in grey writing that doesn't stick out is "Gwenview". No new user is going to know what Gwenview is but they will know what an Image Viewer is. I think in the KMenu it's something like "Image Viewer (Gwenview)". So methinks that as long as something like this is in place we don't have to worry about the names of apps. Names are just something you call it. The description tells you what it is. It's the description that counts. Not the name. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 07:26:23 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:26:23 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4782DA0C.70600@wilddsl.net.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> <3dde113c0801070450x74f024c3t530d527520a47889@mail.gmail.com> <4782DA0C.70600@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> The plot thickens with Gutsy now refusing to open "add Remove Programs" or let me enter "Adept Manager", the error message is: "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." In response to this I went to terminal and entered the above, with the result: cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ sudo apt-setup [sudo] password for cpm: sudo: apt-setup: command not found cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ sudo apt-setup adept manager sudo: apt-setup: command not found cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ sudo apt-setup adept sudo: apt-setup: command not found cpm at cpm-desktop:~$ Though I was beginning to get some idea about the processes but with this I'm quite bewildered, It seems to me that the program that enables repairs is off line. Is it a complete reload? Suggestions please? Anton Rolls wrote: > Hi Clark, > > John DeCarlo wrote: > > >> I don't know how you changed sources.list, but it looks like a comment >> line was uncommented. I would try and undo what you did and see what >> happens. >> > > I agree with John, it looks like it is a missing comment problem. > > Lines beginning with # are comments. Anything that reads like > plain English in these files should be commented. > > If you show us the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list > (and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list , if it exists) > then we can tell you easily if there is a misplaced or missing > comment. > > Regards, > > Anton. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 07:50:23 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:50:23 +0200 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4782DA0C.70600@wilddsl.net.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801090950.23414.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect > APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and > apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." I can't find 'apt-setup' either. Sounds like a bad error message. Sorry you are having such hassles Clark, you are the expection that proves the rule I'm afraid :) It sounds like the database is locked in some way. I can't recall the steps to unlock it. You could try this: 1. Reboot your machine. 2. Open a konsole: 3. sudo apt-get update 4. Check for errors, if none: 5. sudo apt-get upgrade 6. Check for errors, if none: 7. Run the Adept GUI again. Let us know. \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 08:20:59 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:20:59 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <200801050906.36423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801051047.40544.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801051817.01053.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4780BFF2.2000609@optusnet.com.au> <4781856A.8010607@wilddsl.net.au> <4781AE76.2050500@optusnet.com.au> <3dde113c0801070450x74f024c3t530d527520a47889@mail.gmail.com> <4782DA0C.70600@wilddsl.net.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> Thanks for a response I can take some action on. apt contains two folders; 1. apt.conf.d, containing 9 files of total space 5.496 KB, 0 sub files 2. sources.list.d no items, total space 4KB these are the only files / folders under the apt sub directory. Empty sources list doesn't look very bright to me unless I can replace them from my Kubunti cononical CD. Hopefully, Clark. >> Hi Clark, >> >> John DeCarlo wrote: >> >> >>> I don't know how you changed sources.list, but it looks like a comment >>> line was uncommented. I would try and undo what you did and see what >>> happens. >>> >> >> I agree with John, it looks like it is a missing comment problem. >> >> Lines beginning with # are comments. Anything that reads like >> plain English in these files should be commented. >> >> If you show us the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list >> (and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list , if it exists) >> then we can tell you easily if there is a misplaced or missing >> comment. >> >> Regards, >> >> Anton. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 08:44:45 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:44:45 +0200 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Empty sources list doesn't look very bright to me unless I can replace > them from my Kubunti cononical CD. Yes, sounds like the directory has been erased. What ever have you been up to? :P Have a look on the CD, that's the best place to get it from. Copy sources.list into /etc/apt/ and then do the update, upgrade tango again. If you can't find sources.list, I can send you mine, but it's oriented towards South African servers and will likely not help you. I know there is a website that let's you build a new one, but you'd have to search. Others may post theirs, what's your physical location in the world? \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Wed Jan 9 08:57:26 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:57:26 +0100 Subject: Looping through folders in KMail In-Reply-To: <200801082151.44411.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200801082151.44411.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801090957.26939.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> tirsdag den 8. Januar 2008 kvad Rosalind Mitchell: > I'm using KMail 1.9.6 under Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) > > In the past I've used the setting to Loop in All Folders to go > through unread mail, and it's worked fine. Unfortunately, in this > release it seems not to be working. Once mail in one folder has > been read, pressing <+> no longer moves to the next folder with > unread mail. > > Somebody has suggested that this is a Gutsy problem, no a KMail > problem Is somebody right? No. I use KMail 1.9.6 on Kubuntu 7.10, and that exact feature works fine here. I use it exclusively to navigate my new mail. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Wed Jan 9 08:59:34 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:59:34 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:46:46 +0200 "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > a blank stare. [snipped] That's because, in general, Micro$oft has patented or copyrighted names and will go after others using them. However, the mighty M$ have come up with some titles in the past which don't make much sense. Ever heard of Access or Works: from their names can you tell what they do? K3B is the burning application in KDE. Once you know that, you will know for burning you go to K3B. Its actually part of KDE-Extragear, which from the KDE website is described as: "KDE-Extragear: Extragear is a collection of applications associated with the KDE project, not part of the official release for various reasons." So its not part of the KDE project and therefore (presumably) not subject to any naming standard that you'd like to impose on the KDE project..... Firefox, is of course, nothing to do with KDE but I thought it was a pretty neat name for a browser: anyway, what does Outlook or Outlook Express mean? Surely those names have taken on a description by people being aware of what the applications DO? You mention the "someone off the street": if that had been "someone off the street who uses Linux", they would know what Amarok and Firefox are, and there are many Windows and Mac users too who are quite aware of what Firefox is - and use it. So my experience is that you would not get a blank stare from many of the people I know...but my experience may be different to yours. -- Graham Todd From gert.gast at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 09:04:46 2008 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:04:46 +1100 Subject: Screencapture Message-ID: <79cc94fa0801090104p6ee5540em9e9c00a1e5047283@mail.gmail.com> Hi List, just a question, what do we have available for creating screen captures in Kubuntu? Not just single images, but making movie animations for tutorials etc. Camtasia is the Windows frontrunner I suppose. Anything like it for Linux? -- Dr Gert Gast Senior Lecturer, SAE Institute Byron Bay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 09:20:34 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:20:34 +0200 Subject: Screencapture In-Reply-To: <79cc94fa0801090104p6ee5540em9e9c00a1e5047283@mail.gmail.com> References: <79cc94fa0801090104p6ee5540em9e9c00a1e5047283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801091120.34476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 09 January 2008 11:04:46 Gert Gast wrote: > Hi List, just a question, what do we have available for creating screen > captures in Kubuntu? Not just single images, but making movie animations > for tutorials etc. Camtasia is the Windows frontrunner I suppose. Anything > like it for Linux? Try: aptitude search ~dcapture The (very) weird ~d bit tells it to search the descriptions. Odd as heck. On my end I see one called 'recordmydesktop'. I used something years ago to record stuff I was doing in Blender, but I can't recall the name now. It was something I fetched and compiled - fragile as glass, but it worked okay. So, there are options. \d -- I have a low-traffic blog for basic news: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Jan 9 11:29:30 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:29:30 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <47845549.2040201@bielenberg.id.au> References: <47845549.2040201@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <200801091229.30246.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 06:02, cary Bielenberg wrote: > On a lighter > side one of her friends was complaining about her machine blue > screening, her response was "whats a blue screen?" That's a good one. ;O) Perry -- BOFH excuse #169: broadcast packets on wrong frequency From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 11:43:31 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:43:31 -0300 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <20080109084331.s9fbhvrhw8ko4cc4@mail.bensa.ar> Quoting WANSTALL Malcolm : > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> Microsoft Word. It doesn't mean anything to me. > > I beg to differ, Microsoft Word _does_ mean something to you, as a > branded product. You know _exactly_ what it does because of the > amount of money behind the brand and all kinds of advertising. No no no and no. I know what Word does because I used it. Someone mentioned K3b. I know what K3b does because I used it. And because in my "K" menu it's called "CD & DVD burning (k3b)" You don't type it's name in a terminal anymore and you don't actually need to know how it is called. In my particular case, money has nothing to do with a successful application. You make a good application, I use it. (and NO Word is not a good application. It's bloated. But it's what everybody else uses in the Windows world) And BTW, do you know why is it called Microsoft Word? Do you remember Word Perfect? Wordstar? Microsoft took the name of well established products and then they'll sue you if you used "Word" to refer to a word processor application. That's why we don't have "OpenOffice Word" but "OpenOffice Write." And I think Writer is a much better name than Word: "this is what you use to _write_ something..." You say you don't have a problem with core applications, but when you started this thread you mentioned Konqueror and Kontact... Then, what are the 3rd party applications that you are referring to? Regards, Norberto ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From kfulks at knology.net Wed Jan 9 13:31:41 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:31:41 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <4784CCBD.7060601@knology.net> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> Would you had a problem if it was named Kcontact? Kconqueror? > > No, actually that seems to make it look more silly. As someone pointed out earlier, I have less of an issue with the core products, more the 3rd party ones tend to be pushing the limit...realising these core ones do have some brand behind them it's a bit adventurous for me to want a change. > >> Microsoft Word. It doesn't mean anything to me. Because guess what: I >> speak SPANISH! Would Microsoft rename it Microsoft Palabra? And while >> we are at it. What does Microsoft Word do? Is it a spellchecker? > > I beg to differ, Microsoft Word _does_ mean something to you, as a branded product. You know _exactly_ what it does because of the amount of money behind the brand and all kinds of advertising. Products with less financial clout have to be more clever to be seen. > >> On the other hand. OpenOffice Calc is named OpenOffice Planilla de >> Cálculo if you install language-pack-es and it is a big plus for us >> non-us/gb people ;) > > That's a VERY clever feature of OOo and please note I'm not trying to take away from any software itself (especially not OOo since I use it, and all of the K* programs daily) > >> And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be meanful >> to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... > > That's a valid point and I take that on board. I think we're both aiming at different points a little here, I'm not trying to argue with the internationalisation of KDE, I think that is fantastic, what I would like to see is some more creativity and thought put into the branding (thus naming) of top notch software. It does have a habit of scaring away some new people and I'd like to see the barriers to entry as low as possible. Possibly there is a new position to add to open source dev teams, even for little projects, someone with some marketing experience...someone from...the outside world. :) > > -Mal > The "core" products for KDE did not necessarily start as core products. At least some of what we now consider core products started as "third party" products and have reached a point where they are now main streamed into the core. In one of your early messages you mentioned Kontact, well that is relatively new. You see it is comprised of KMail, Kaddressbook, Korganizer, Aggregator, Knode, Knotes, etc. And even those were not necessarily core applications initially. So if you were starting a new KDE based program and wanted to catch the eye of the KDE community, you would likely want to name your program with a K as the first letter. There are multiple reasons for this actually. First, the community has bought into that branding just as the Apple community has bought into the "i" branding. Second, your application would appear with the other KDE applications in most package management systems and would thus be seen by folks looking for a KDE program. Third, you avoid a potential name change for your application if it happens to become accepted into the core products. All the core products do not start with K, but many do. You mention in your message that we know what Microsoft Word does because of the branding and the money that Microsoft pours into it. You are correct, but KDE does not have the money poured into it that Microsoft or Apple pour into their brands. Such clever tricks as the K help to build the recognition of the "brand". I am, however, thankful that they don't attempt to chase down everyone using words starting with the letter K and sue them into submission, because they would be after me (look at my name below). -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Wed Jan 9 13:25:36 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:25:36 +0000 Subject: Remote printer head cleaning Message-ID: <20080109132243.1ADED128840@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> I've got a networked Hewlett Packard Deskjet 1220C connected via a Netgear Ethernet - USB print server. Jobs are submitted as postscript to a server running CUPS on Ubuntu Dapper Server. Does anybody know if it's possible to command the printer to do a head cleaning cycle? How? I know how to do it with my Epson that's connected to the USB port on the machine, but I've no idea about this one. Thanks Dave From jpatrickdavies at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:04:33 2008 From: jpatrickdavies at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:04:33 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801091504.37762.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 01:46:46 Dotan Cohen wrote: > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? It stands for Burn Baby Burn and with KDE: K3B Patrick -- Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would have to be a KMail problem, but I haven't got it to loop through all folders since before Gutsy. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 9 14:02:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:02:42 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <8905528.mqs5Azrmz2@cedar.serverforest.com> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > When I returned she said she wanted XP because Kubuntu was illogical > (which of course fried my brain since I find it 100% _more_ intuitive > than most other OSs) so I pressed her to list the things that caused her > to say that. They were: > > 1/ The font names were all different (Okay, can't help that one but I'm > sure we could work through relearning that little pest) AND > > 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > > It got me thinking...that is one of the things that first annoyed me > about KDE, that it is _cool_ to name your program starting with a "K". I > realise that it serves a small purpose (identifying KDE vs Gnome > programs and ducking TM issues) but surely to anyone trying to MOVE to > Kubuntu, it would look a bit...immature (like putting "z" on the end of > words to make you 1337). It just feels like and in-joke that needs to > die if KDE wants to be taken even more seriously. That has always been a complaint of mine against anything *nix-ish. There are far too many juvenile in-jokes (I filed a bug report against a KDE app - fortunately now forgotten - that shipped with a truly inane help file, with the note that it would have been far better received by users if it had no documentation at all than with the childish file attached. I was simply told that it wouldn't be fixed unless I rewrote the help file myself). But really, why bother trying to push the product on anyone who's only complaints about the programs are their names! The reaction is as juvenile as what she's complaining about. (Though even that's fixable - if you change the menu to show only Descriptions, not Names, she wouldn't have even noticed.) > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. I disagree. Unless distros start separating their repositories into kde & gnome, it's much more convenient for us to be able to tell at a glance which desktop they're for. -- derek From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:38:54 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:38:54 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <200801091538.58001.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> On Tuesday 08 January 2008 23:25:22 WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > It got me thinking...that is one of the things that first annoyed me > about KDE, that it is _cool_ to name your program starting with a "K". I > realise that it serves a small purpose (identifying KDE vs Gnome > programs and ducking TM issues) but surely to anyone trying to MOVE to > Kubuntu, it would look a bit...immature (like putting "z" on the end of > words to make you 1337). It just feels like and in-joke that needs to > die if KDE wants to be taken even more seriously. > > Does anyone else see this as a bit of a marketing blunder and is there > _any_ community push to change this? Surely good names like Amarok, > Rosegarden and Bluefish aren't that hard to come up with...they > certainly make a better first impression on people new to KDE/Linux. I think uou'll all be pleased to know that this has changed in KDE 4 and several apps do not follow the old-school naming. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 9 14:41:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:41:25 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2231291.rjoTU78UxD@cedar.serverforest.com> Graham wrote: > However, the mighty M$ have come up with some titles in the past which > don't make much sense. Ever heard of Access or Works: from their names > can you tell what they do? Access is the worst. Have you ever tried to google about "accessing" anything? That brings up a very good reason for sticking to the KDE naming conventions. When I google (if I ever did) "Explorer", I will get a lot of references to something other than the browser. When I google "konqueror", I'm _always_ going to get browsers. "Works" of course is an application of an age-old advertising maxim: "if you want people to think the product does something it doesn't, put it in the name"! > Firefox, is of course, nothing to do with KDE but I > thought it was a pretty neat name for a browser: anyway, what does > Outlook or Outlook Express mean? Surely those names have taken on a > description by people being aware of what the applications DO? "Outlook Express" is another use of the maxim - if you know what Outlook does, you might expect "Outlook Express" to do something similar. It doesn't. Even the address books are incompatible. And people who rail against Outlook for it's ignorance of email standards are almost always actually talking about OE (Though Outlook is far worse...) -- derek From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 9 15:03:13 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:13 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <47843EC1.6020202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <878x2zujm6.fsf@fjellstad.org> Billie Walsh writes: > In fact it's not just Kubuntu/KDE. It's pretty much a Linux problem. It's not a Linux thing, it's a unix thing. It actually follows a pretty long history of naming programs. So you know, for instance screensaver is for the command line, and xscreensaver is for X-Window. KDE and Gnome people just follow that naming convention. That said, for some reason, some English speaking people has a bug up their ass when it comes to the letter K. As a Norwegian speaker, the K letter actually is more 'normal' than the G letter. Like Kontact would probably be translated to Kontakt in Norwegian -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 9 14:52:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:52:48 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <21ec8dcb0801082246s62c72cr9dfed0bb55474fc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1268666.9DckLeHVkJ@cedar.serverforest.com> roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > K3B, a great brand name. Who can forget it? I'd say it stands for > KDEBurner but I'd probably be wrong[1]. Yeah, but it's nowhere near as good a name as "abcde" (a better cd encoder). >From that, you could of course make a gnome front-end "abcdefg" (for gnome), but it would be awkward to do anything for KDE. -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jan 9 16:27:05 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:27:05 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <878x2zujm6.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <47843EC1.6020202@swbell.net> <878x2zujm6.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <4784F5D9.2030304@swbell.net> John L Fjellstad wrote: > Billie Walsh writes: > > >> In fact it's not just Kubuntu/KDE. It's pretty much a Linux problem. >> > > It's not a Linux thing, it's a unix thing. I know nothing of Unix so my first experience was with Linux. > > > It actually follows a pretty long history of naming programs. So you > know, for instance screensaver is for the command line, and xscreensaver > is for X-Window. KDE and Gnome people just follow that naming > convention. > I don't particularly have a problem with things like "kget" ot "gftp". I know immediately which gui they belong to, "k" or "g", and what they do. It's some of the just plain silly names things get that I have a problem with. [ Read further down my original message on this thread ] > That said, for some reason, some English speaking people has a bug up > their ass when it comes to the letter K. As a Norwegian speaker, the K > letter actually is more 'normal' than the G letter. Like Kontact would > probably be translated to Kontakt in Norwegian > Back in another life I worked for a Mercedes dealer so I got an education in some German spelling and terminology. It's been a long time but it seems that "k" is used just about anywhere a hard "c" would be used in English. I would assume, one should never do that, that any language derived from the same root would have about the same rule. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:33:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:33:14 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > > > > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > > a blank stare. > > > > K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > K3B is such a great app though its name doesnt matter. Er, names do matter. K3B might be a ha-ha funny name, but it does not tell me what the program does. > If you want the > normal why are you on a linux distro? Linux is not the norm? It's only for freaks and weirdos? Would you not like Linux to be the norm? > Anyone who uses the distros knows what > the apps are so i dont see a problem. I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of them could even guess what K3B means. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:36:43 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:36:43 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <2af451740801081752t41d23498o96829b979bc3d59a@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <2af451740801081752t41d23498o96829b979bc3d59a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801091036j58979111i4a62e2790afd45ef@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Edward Dunagin wrote: > You know you can always change the name of the application to whatever > you want. That's what the mv command is all about I'm not sure if you are being smug or not, but I'm installing Linux on people's computers who expect it to work. Not after Dotan changes this and renames that, rather it should just work. And if the person needs help, should they google the real name of the program, or whatever Dotan changed it to? How will they even know? In contrast to two years ago, [K]Ubuntu is almost at that point (other distros are not). One of the last remaining hurdles is the terrible program names. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:40:39 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:40:39 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801091040re2b0880tb4e4d8eb16f371c1@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: > >>WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > >> 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > > > >c'mon, would you just configure your kde correctly and end this > >subject > >already or would you like me to start talking about > >iHaveAPattentForThatBeforeYou and iLLSueYou too? > >Regards, > >Norberto > > If you'd actually bothered to _read_ the entire email it wasn't _me_ > personally complaining. > > Simply put, a _potential_ user saw an incredibly minor aesthetic issue > and it turned her off using the entire system (what a shame). I've had it happen to me too. They take one look at the programs menu and are done. It's amazing that people actually expect descriptive program names. > Spouting > out a list of WinXP programs (winword is the executable not the program > name, the only others that ring a bell being WinRar, a utility and > WinAmp, a now considerably unpopular [to what it used to be] media > player) isn't addressing what IS an issue. My argument still stands, > adding "Win" to the front of a program seems to identify it to Windows, > misspelling a work with "K" on the front to someone not familiar with > KDE looks like just that, a misspelling. There was recently a similar discussion on the python list. Many management would not consider a language with such a silly name. > I hope all minor criticisms aren't met with such dismissal, it just > seems arrogant. I accept that it may not be something that will ever be > changed but cutting off feedback from a missed user is a terribly silly > thing to do! Everyone was a KDE newbie at one stage. > > -Mal Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:48:25 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:48:25 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <478439F0.7@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478439F0.7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801091048s6778552en5ca93f44c0a5bfae@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > > Simply put, a _potential_ user saw an incredibly minor aesthetic issue > > and it turned her off using the entire system (what a shame). > > We are clear, aren't we, that the naming convention, in all likelihood, > *wasn't* the problem? I don't disagree that the K naming convention is > cute to the point of pointlessness, but that's hardly the problem. The > problem is that KDE is different. > > Sit down at anybody else's computer. Try to do anything. Does not, "this > is *wrong*", scream at you, even if the computer is well maintained and > functioning? It's just human inertia. We don't like to change things > after we've become used to something else. > > For most folks "the computer" is synonymous with MS Windows. Ask most > folks where the computer is and they'll point to the screen. The box is > just there to hold the carpet down. The Start button is at the lower > left, because that is where it was prophesied to be by the prophet > Jeremiah and it darn well better have that Windows thing on it. Most > folks have no idea what an operating system is, and don't care to. What > they want to do is type a letter or browse the web and anything that > gets in the way of their doing that by being different or looking > different screams "this is wrong". This is part of the reason why VISTA > uptake is so slow. It's different. Of course, the rest of the reason is > that it's trash, but I digress.... > > Linux users tend to be those too cussed to deal with Microsoft's > nuttiness, or interested enough to know why "the computer" has to have > that box hooked onto it, or people who actually know and care what goes > on inside the box. We're a distinct subset of the typical computer user. > > It's like the Jimmy Dean sausage commercial. Sun is cooking up a Jimmy > Dean breakfast and offering it to Cloud. Cloud says he only eats cold > cereal. > > Sun asks "Come on! Why wouldn't you try something different?" > Cloud responds, "Cereal is cold and wet. It's a cloud thing. You > wouldn't understand." > > Windows is cold and wet. It's an ordinary user thing... > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > stew Very well written, and the point about the computer being the screen is well taken. Despite your many valid points, my mother in law has no problem navigating and clicking around her new Kubuntu installation. She never configures anything, so as long as there are icons on her desktop for Firefox, OOo, Skype, and all her files (yes, all saved to the desktop), she is fine. She had no problem that the blue I is now an orange fox, and that the big W is now a dove. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:50:13 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:50:13 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109011923.fyzi6ihq84o0gsks@mail.bensa.ar> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109011923.fyzi6ihq84o0gsks@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <880dece00801091050s7fd9febu1402057339d819c7@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Norberto Bensa wrote: > Quoting WANSTALL Malcolm : > > > Simply put, a _potential_ user saw an incredibly minor aesthetic issue... > > I guess that very same user had no problem with WINsomething and > iSomething. I don't see why Gsomething and Ksomething is a problem for > him/her. > > And no. It was not an attack on you. I'm sorry very much if you took > that way. I'm subscribed to many MLs (Gentoo, Kubuntu, KDE*) and this > topic comes every now and then (more often than I'd like) and I would > like it to die already. K* and G* is an easy way to know which > environment does the application run (which libraries do you need, etc.) Then call it Kburn instead of K3B. There is no problem with the K, as you well know, it's the rest of the name that is difficult. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Jan 9 18:50:41 2008 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:50:41 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 19:33:14 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of > them could even guess what K3B means. How about : K Burn, Baby, Burn ? > > Dotan Cohen Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 7.04) ********* From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:57:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:57:49 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Norberto Bensa wrote: > And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be meanful > to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... I don't speak English either. In fact, we don't even use Latin letters, or even write from left to right! Despite all that, my users _still_ demand meaningful names. I'm not giving you _my_ opinion, because I personally don't care. I'm reporting what is reported to me by many users. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 19:17:34 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:17:34 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <1268666.9DckLeHVkJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <21ec8dcb0801082246s62c72cr9dfed0bb55474fc5@mail.gmail.com> <1268666.9DckLeHVkJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801091117t1cd6d4efn357a0a5028c0f63d@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > > > K3B, a great brand name. Who can forget it? I'd say it stands for > > KDEBurner but I'd probably be wrong[1]. > > Yeah, but it's nowhere near as good a name as "abcde" (a better cd encoder). > From that, you could of course make a gnome front-end "abcdefg" (for > gnome), but it would be awkward to do anything for KDE. A Better CD Encoder For Grasping Hardly Intuitive Jargon of KDE Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 19:21:09 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:21:09 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> References: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> Message-ID: <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of > > them could even guess what K3B means. > > How about : K Burn, Baby, Burn ? I only learned that a few weeks ago. You know, if it was listed in the Programs menu as K Burn, Baby, Burn I'd have less of a problem with the name. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 9 19:26:36 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:26:36 +0100 Subject: Looping through folders in KMail In-Reply-To: <200801082151.44411.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200801082151.44411.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801092026.36748.kassube@gmx.net> Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > In the past I've used the setting to Loop in All Folders to go through > unread mail, and it's worked fine. Unfortunately, in this release it > seems not to be working. Once mail in one folder has been read, > pressing <+> no longer moves to the next folder with unread mail. Settings -> Configure KMail ... -> Misc / Folders -> In the line "When trying to find unread messages:" select "Loop in All Folders". Nils From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Jan 9 19:40:31 2008 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:40:31 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080109194035.TDSJ10583.fep46.mail.dk@haulrich.local> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 20:21:09 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of > > > them could even guess what K3B means. > > > > How about : K Burn, Baby, Burn ? > > I only learned that a few weeks ago. You know, if it was listed > in the Programs menu as K Burn, Baby, Burn I'd have less of a > problem with the name. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il Dofan, just out of curiosity, what does the Hebrew letters say ?--------------------> > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read > text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 7.04) ********* From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 19:42:02 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:42:02 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091117t1cd6d4efn357a0a5028c0f63d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <1268666.9DckLeHVkJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801091117t1cd6d4efn357a0a5028c0f63d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801091442.02907.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >On 09/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: >> > K3B, a great brand name. Who can forget it? I'd say it stands for >> > KDEBurner but I'd probably be wrong[1]. >> >> Yeah, but it's nowhere near as good a name as "abcde" (a better cd >> encoder). From that, you could of course make a gnome front-end "abcdefg" >> (for gnome), but it would be awkward to do anything for KDE. > >A Better CD Encoder For Grasping Hardly Intuitive Jargon of KDE > ROTFLMAO! Thanks Dotan. >Dotan Cohen > >http://what-is-what.com >http://gibberish.co.il >א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > >A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The big cities of America are becoming Third World countries. -- Nora Ephron From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 9 19:51:42 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:51:42 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801092051.42122.kassube@gmx.net> Graham wrote: > That's because, in general, Micro$oft has patented or copyrighted names > and will go after others using them. Well, the program names are trademarked - there is no patent or copyright on program names. However, they use common names for which there is only a very limited protection. And going after others who use similar names did already backfire. When Lindows threatened to have the MS Windows trademark canceled, Microsoft payed Lindows to change their name. Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 20:10:26 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:10:26 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109194035.TDSJ10583.fep46.mail.dk@haulrich.local> References: <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> <20080109194035.TDSJ10583.fep46.mail.dk@haulrich.local> Message-ID: <880dece00801091210x5bf68f33wc9c70ca90c01e6b6@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Dofan, just out of curiosity, what does the Hebrew letters > say ?--------------------> > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת It is the Hebrew alphabet. I run gibberish.co.il, which translates wrongly-encoded Hebrew into legible Hebrew. In order to do that, I need as many samples of wrongly-encoded Hebrew as possible. So I attach those letters to every message, and when people respond back with the wrong encoding, I can modify my code and add support. Mailing lists are a great source, as people from all over the world, with many different encodings, reply and much my beautiful Hebrew! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 20:13:22 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:13:22 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801092051.42122.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <200801092051.42122.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801091213p2df9532g11e0ccb98bb8a397@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Nils Kassube wrote: > Graham wrote: > > That's because, in general, Micro$oft has patented or copyrighted names > > and will go after others using them. > > Well, the program names are trademarked - there is no patent or copyright > on program names. However, they use common names for which there is only > a very limited protection. And going after others who use similar names > did already backfire. When Lindows threatened to have the MS Windows > trademark canceled, Microsoft payed Lindows to change their name. It is a great story, I like the part where MS payed to settle a lawsuit that they brought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._Lindows Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Jan 9 20:18:39 2008 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:18:39 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091210x5bf68f33wc9c70ca90c01e6b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080109194035.TDSJ10583.fep46.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091210x5bf68f33wc9c70ca90c01e6b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080109201842.TFRC21659.fep43.mail.dk@haulrich.local> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 21:10:26 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Dofan, just out of curiosity, what does the Hebrew letters > > say ?--------------------> > > > > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > It is the Hebrew alphabet. I run gibberish.co.il, which > translates wrongly-encoded Hebrew into legible Hebrew. In order > to do that, I need as many samples of wrongly-encoded Hebrew as > possible. So I attach those letters to every message, and when > people respond back with the wrong encoding, I can modify my code > and add support. Mailing lists are a great source, as people from > all over the world, with many different encodings, reply and much > my beautiful Hebrew! Ah.... Beautiful glyphs. No caps? . BTW aren't most people using UTF-8 these days? Kaj Haulrich. *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 7.04) ********* From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 20:28:26 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:28:26 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 7:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I only learned that a few weeks ago. You know, if it was listed in the > Programs menu as K Burn, Baby, Burn I'd have less of a problem with > the name. > > Dotan Cohen > > > Do you have a problem that in the program list its listed as "K3B - CD & DVD burning". If people cant understand that then they need help. That for more descriptive than any menu entry in windows which just lists "nero" guess what i do. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Wed Jan 9 20:47:01 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:47:01 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801092047.01809.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > a blank stare. This is my KDE menu: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1512/menugo8.png I can't remember if the settings are the default in Kubuntu, but it's certainly very easy to put the application description next to the name (Right click panel->Panel Menu->Configure Panel->Menus). So what is so confusing about this? As other people in this thread have pointed out, there are plenty of weirdly named applications on Windows too and people simply get used to them like a brand name. In fact if an application gets so popular its name becomes synonymous with the application type, like people call PDFs "Acrobat files" or say a picture was "Photoshopped". And have you ever tried Googling for something like 'Media Player'? Yes, you get MS Windows Media Player as the top hit, simply because of how many people use it since it is bundled with Windows, but that's no good if you're after help on a specific KDE media player (and if we're talking about computer novices they probably will not know to put "KDE" in their search terms either). Certainly if there is an opportunity to create a unique name that also hints at its functionality we should go with that and I thought there had been a slight push towards this for main KDE apps that were being renamed/rewritten for KDE 4 although I can't think of any that they have really achieved with this. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 21:47:34 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:47:34 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478540F6.6010208@optusnet.com.au> Canonical CD, root/etc/apt is exactly the same as my root/etc/apt at 30.3 KB. Perhaps the problem lies elsewhere? Canonical also has an empty folder called sources.list.d ( 4KB). Had a look at some files in apt with kate and I now see where the # symbol and comment issue arises. Incidentally are these files here for a backup purpose, their names: secring.gpg ; sources.list ; sources.list.distUpgrade ; sources.list.save and some others. The following is a few lines from sources.list: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe multiverse main restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted I am reluctant to take any high risk options as at least I can still use Firefox. Looks like I start again with a reload but before I do can you tell me if there is a Ubuntu version that is a) stable b) supported as Gutsy 7.10 seems to be neither and if I am going to dump and download (at 1.5 meg it will be slow) I'd be better served with a long term support, stable distribution. C Donn wrote: >> Empty sources list doesn't look very bright to me unless I can replace >> them from my Kubunti cononical CD. >> > Yes, sounds like the directory has been erased. What ever have you been up > to? :P > > Have a look on the CD, that's the best place to get it from. Copy sources.list > into /etc/apt/ and then do the update, upgrade tango again. > > If you can't find sources.list, I can send you mine, but it's oriented towards > South African servers and will likely not help you. I know there is a website > that let's you build a new one, but you'd have to search. > > Others may post theirs, what's your physical location in the world? > > \d > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Wed Jan 9 22:10:41 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:10:41 +1100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B960@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >On 09/01/2008, Norberto Bensa wrote: >> And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be >>meanful >> to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... > >I don't speak English either. In fact, we don't even use Latin >letters, or even write from left to right! Despite all that, my users >_still_ demand meaningful names. I'm not giving you _my_ opinion, >because I personally don't care. I'm reporting what is reported to me >by many users. > >Dotan Cohen Thanks Dotan, I am in exactly the same boat. Personally, I'm completely used to all the program names, use them every day _but_ I experienced someone who did find it difficult. I'm just not sure why it seems to be such a sore point with some. Norberto, We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, we're not getting anywhere or adding anything to the list and you're obviously a staunch anti-MS person (big companies always suffer from tall poppy syndrome). I prefer OOo because it's free, but I can also admit that MS Word is a good application (just because you prefer one thing doesn't mean you have to hate the rest). I use Linux at home, Windows at work, I prefer Linux but just blindly bashing MS and all it's products is a little "last year"... Thanks to all who contributed, the woman I mentioned in the original post is going to borrow one of my Kubuntu desktops for a week and said she'd give it an honest go and I said I'd give her a few lessons to boot (I've also printed her out some shortcut keys) so the experiment continues! -Mal From stew.schneider at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 22:49:37 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:37 -0500 Subject: Access Message-ID: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> You know, one of the most recurrent problems is entering an office that has an Access app and realizing that this one app is going to keep them from the Linux world unless you are willing to dump the data to mysql or some such and then (the biggest headache) recreate the forms, queries and reports from scratch. I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody know of one? stew From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:49:47 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:49:47 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47854F8B.3070207@optusnet.com.au> Hi Donn, I missed the location query, I am in Australia. Cheers, C Donn wrote: >> Empty sources list doesn't look very bright to me unless I can replace >> them from my Kubunti cononical CD. >> > Yes, sounds like the directory has been erased. What ever have you been up > to? :P > > Have a look on the CD, that's the best place to get it from. Copy sources.list > into /etc/apt/ and then do the update, upgrade tango again. > > If you can't find sources.list, I can send you mine, but it's oriented towards > South African servers and will likely not help you. I know there is a website > that let's you build a new one, but you'd have to search. > > Others may post theirs, what's your physical location in the world? > > \d > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 22:56:06 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:56:06 -0800 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 2:49 PM, Stew Schneider wrote: > You know, one of the most recurrent problems is entering an office that > has an Access app and realizing that this one app is going to keep them > from the Linux world unless you are willing to dump the data to mysql or > some such and then (the biggest headache) recreate the forms, queries > and reports from scratch. > > I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody know of one? Wine? VMWare? Useful while you're recreating. I know of nothing that really does it like magic, though recently using Joomla and Fabrik I was able to easily create forms and tables and rot like that without excessive pain. It's not really powerful unless you want to write custom PHP scripts to handle some postprocessing, but it does work. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman John 3:16! If Microsoft is the Wal*Mart of the Software World, then Linux is the Home Depot From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jan 9 22:59:18 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:59:18 +0000 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <478540F6.6010208@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478540F6.6010208@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <478551C6.5020100@tiscali.co.uk> Clark wrote: > Canonical CD, root/etc/apt is exactly the same as my root/etc/apt at > 30.3 KB. Perhaps the problem lies elsewhere? Canonical also has an > empty folder called sources.list.d ( 4KB). Had a look at some files > in apt with kate and I now see where the # symbol and comment issue > arises. Incidentally are these files here for a backup purpose, their > names: secring.gpg ; sources.list ; sources.list.distUpgrade ; > sources.list.save and some others. > > The following is a few lines from sources.list: > > deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ > gutsy main restricted > # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to > # newer versions of the distribution. > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted > > ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the > ## distribution. > deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > multiverse main restricted > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main > restricted > > > I am reluctant to take any high risk options as at least I can still > use Firefox. Looks like I start again with a reload but before I do > can you tell me if there is a Ubuntu version that is a) stable b) > supported as Gutsy 7.10 seems to be neither and if I am going to dump > and download (at 1.5 meg it will be slow) I'd be better served with a > long term support, stable distribution. > > C You might want to try and generate a sources.list using the tool at [1]. You'll need to move your original sources.list out of the way [2] and copy the file produced by the source-o-matic to /etc/apt in place of it (you can do this in Konqueror) then [3]. [1] In Konsole: [2] sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list sources.list.old [3] sudo chown root:root /etc/apt/sources.list -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 23:23:16 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:23:16 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <478551C6.5020100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478540F6.6010208@optusnet.com.au> <478551C6.5020100@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <47855764.6050609@optusnet.com.au> Thanks W, file:///etc/apt/sources.list file:///etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade file:///etc/apt/sources.list.save file:///etc/apt/trustdb.gpg file:///etc/apt/trusted.gpg file:///etc/apt/trusted.gpg~ I have used Dolphin to verify all od these files are exactly the same size in both my and the Kubuntu apt directory. Is it still necessary to go through the following procedure? C > You might want to try and generate a sources.list using the tool at > [1]. You'll need to move your original sources.list out of the way [2] > and copy the file produced by the source-o-matic to /etc/apt in place of > it (you can do this in Konqueror) then [3]. > > > [1] > > In Konsole: > > [2] sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list sources.list.old > > [3] sudo chown root:root /etc/apt/sources.list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are other ways to fix this, no doubt. Did you fix the Medibuntu line? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 23:56:33 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:56:33 +1100 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <47855BA8.1040604@tiscali.co.uk> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478540F6.6010208@optusnet.com.au> <478551C6.5020100@tiscali.co.uk> <47855764.6050609@optusnet.com.au> <47855BA8.1040604@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <47855F31.5040704@optusnet.com.au> Thanks Wulfy, When I entered Medibuntu in the rep graphic box in Adept this word was appended to the end of my sources list. Removing it seems to have solved the problem. C. Wulfy wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> Thanks W, >> >> file:///etc/apt/sources.list >> file:///etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade >> file:///etc/apt/sources.list.save >> file:///etc/apt/trustdb.gpg >> file:///etc/apt/trusted.gpg >> file:///etc/apt/trusted.gpg~ >> >> I have used Dolphin to verify all od these files are exactly the same >> size in both my and the Kubuntu apt directory. Is it still necessary >> to go through the following procedure? >> >> C >> > What I outlined for you is an option. There are other ways to fix this, > no doubt. Did you fix the Medibuntu line? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Wed Jan 9 23:59:56 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:59:56 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801092359.57007.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > You know, one of the most recurrent problems is entering an office that > has an Access app and realizing that this one app is going to keep them > from the Linux world unless you are willing to dump the data to mysql or > some such and then (the biggest headache) recreate the forms, queries > and reports from scratch. > > I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody know of one? Kexi in Koffice is very similar to MS Access and has early support for importing MDB files. It at least can import table schema and data. Obviously as MS Access has been around for so long, Kexi isn't going to be as mature but it looks quite solid to me. See the Kexi website for more: http://www.kexi-project.org/ -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 10 00:00:43 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:00:43 +1100 Subject: Floppy still no go In-Reply-To: <477DDEDD.5090002@optusnet.com.au> References: <477CBF75.4060706@optusnet.com.au> <477DDEDD.5090002@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4785602B.8060305@optusnet.com.au> I have installed Kfloppy but still can't find my floppy drive? Any ideas? Clark. From nbensa at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 00:14:22 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:14:22 -0300 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B960@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B960@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <20080109211422.8npa69ehc80g4s8o@mail.bensa.ar> Quoting WANSTALL Malcolm : > Norberto, We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, I promise not to participate in any similar thread never again. I have my opinion: names mean nothing. Make useful applications, and people will use them, or you can make ugly applications and put lots of money on marking and people will use them too. Regards, Norberto ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Jan 10 00:17:47 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:17:47 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801091917.48062.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Despite all that, my users _still_ demand meaningful names. I can't speak on behalf of all volunteer developers, but I sure know how I feel about demands like this. Tell them not to let Linux hit them in the ass on their way back to Windows. If they won't use my stuff because they don't like the name, then they won't use my stuff until I change this and that and the other too. People like that are never happy, and it is a waste of time bothering with them. Good riddance. -- D. Michael McIntyre From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jan 10 00:17:43 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:17:43 +0000 Subject: Video Problem WMV In-Reply-To: <47855F31.5040704@optusnet.com.au> References: <477ED35C.4030604@optusnet.com.au> <4784771F.2090609@optusnet.com.au> <478483EB.6070402@optusnet.com.au> <200801091044.45773.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478540F6.6010208@optusnet.com.au> <478551C6.5020100@tiscali.co.uk> <47855764.6050609@optusnet.com.au> <47855BA8.1040604@tiscali.co.uk> <47855F31.5040704@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47856427.5000807@tiscali.co.uk> Clark wrote: > Thanks Wulfy, > > When I entered Medibuntu in the rep graphic box in Adept this word was > appended to the end of my sources list. > > Removing it seems to have solved the problem. > > C. I'm glad everything seems to have worked out fine. :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 00:34:10 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:34:10 -0500 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801092359.57007.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <200801092359.57007.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <200801091934.11132.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> I use knoda; it is more mature than kexi and has more functionality. You may also want to check into Rekall. Unfortunately developement has slowed down considerably. I understand kexi is better integrated with kde; knoda is qt based but not necessarily with kde in mind. I was reading comments on a kde4 develpment/future type discussion on the subject. Apparently the kde people want to standardize on one system. kexi, knoda, and rekall were mentioned as possible solutions. On Wednesday 09 January 2008 18:59:56 Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > > You know, one of the most recurrent problems is entering an office that > > has an Access app and realizing that this one app is going to keep them > > from the Linux world unless you are willing to dump the data to mysql or > > some such and then (the biggest headache) recreate the forms, queries > > and reports from scratch. > > > > I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody know of one? > > Kexi in Koffice is very similar to MS Access and has early support for > importing MDB files. It at least can import table schema and data. > Obviously as MS Access has been around for so long, Kexi isn't going to be > as mature but it looks quite solid to me. > > See the Kexi website for more: http://www.kexi-project.org/ > > -- > Colin Pinkney > http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Thu Jan 10 02:49:24 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:49:24 -0800 Subject: PHP5 code within HTML/XHTML documents Message-ID: <200801091849.24848.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> This one is really wierd: I installed LAMP server on clean install of Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy). I posted following issue on Ubuntu forums 4 hours ago under the same title as subject line in email message. I have not seen anyone with this particular issue. The install was very vanilla. No errors noted. I changed Apache2 document root to /media/Abraham/01--ACADRC/ I also changed MySQL base directory to /media/Abraham/01--ACADRC/data/ I symlinked phpmyadmin to /media/Abraham/01--ACADRC/php/phpmyadmin/ I installed mediawiki 1.9 and symlinked to /media/Abraham.01--ACADRC/wiki/ I am able to view phpmyadmin properly, able to setup new databases, tables, etc. I am able to view the mediawiki start page properly Here is output on bad URL: Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 Server at home.acadrc.site Port 80 What I cannot do is properly run php scripts inside my html documents The following line will not display output in firefox/konqueror when placed within index.html: When I run this line: Hello World

';?> I get the following results when I view the page in Firefox/Konqueror: Hello World'; ?> These results show me that PHP is either not being processed/parsed or, if so, only marginally. From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Thu Jan 10 02:56:14 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:14 -0500 Subject: PHP5 code within HTML/XHTML documents In-Reply-To: <200801091849.24848.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: On 1/9/08 9:49 PM, "Larry Hartman" wrote: > The following line will not display output in firefox/konqueror when placed > within index.html: HTML documents (ie. *.html) don't process as php by default. You can either change the filename to *.php or you can set .html files to be rendered as php in your conf, your vhost container, or a .htaccess file. I believe the directive you want is: AddHandler php5-script .html I could be wrong about that though... Consult the Apache docs if that doesn't work... Really though id just use the proper extension if I were you. -ant From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 10 02:59:41 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:59:41 +1100 Subject: New Problem Wine? Message-ID: <47858A1D.7070205@optusnet.com.au> I have an Encyclopaedia package that I want to run but it needs Microsoft so I downloaded "Wine" which gives 3 options: browse C:\ drive; Configure Wine and uninstall. Given that configure seems to be the best otion to open Wine, I went for that however at the eighth bounce of the ball the entire system "locks" the only way out is to push the reset button on the PC. Two options: a) get assistance for Wine fault or b) forget Wine and ask for directions to a partitioning tool and tutorial - my Canonical CD is supposed to have partitioning software but I can'' seem to find it. Suggestions with either or both would be appreciated. I am trawling the FAQs Clark. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Thu Jan 10 03:09:49 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:09:49 -0800 Subject: PHP5 code within HTML/XHTML documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801091909.49982.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> got it, here is what I did: I edited /etc/apache2/mods-enable/php5.conf I add .html and .htm to the first AddType line. Restarted apache2, now running. You know I couldn't figure this out.....went and reloaded my whole system thinking my apache2/php5 config files were permanently deranged.....not for naught though, as my system was on its third upgrade and had all sorts of buggy affects, the fresh install sorted all of that out and made it runtwice as fast! thanx for your help.....you were thinking in the same lines as the solution I discovered in the ubuntu forums. Larry On Wednesday 09 January 2008 06:56:14 pm Ant Cunningham wrote: > On 1/9/08 9:49 PM, "Larry Hartman" wrote: > > The following line will not display output in firefox/konqueror when > > placed within index.html: > > HTML documents (ie. *.html) don't process as php by default. You can either > change the filename to *.php or you can set .html files to be rendered as > php in your conf, your vhost container, or a .htaccess file. I believe the > directive you want is: > > AddHandler php5-script .html > > I could be wrong about that though... Consult the Apache docs if that > doesn't work... Really though id just use the proper extension if I were > you. > > -ant From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Thu Jan 10 03:13:55 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:13:55 -0500 Subject: PHP5 code within HTML/XHTML documents In-Reply-To: <200801091909.49982.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: On 1/9/08 10:09 PM, "Larry Hartman" wrote: > the fresh install sorted all of that out and made it runtwice > as fast! Definitely worth it then :-) -ant From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Jan 10 04:12:54 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:12:54 -0500 Subject: New Problem Wine? In-Reply-To: <47858A1D.7070205@optusnet.com.au> References: <47858A1D.7070205@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47859B46.2030503@gatech.edu> Clark wrote: > I have an Encyclopaedia package that I want to run but it needs > Microsoft so I downloaded "Wine" which gives 3 options: browse C:\ > drive; Configure Wine and uninstall. Those are not the only options. What you want to do is run the Encyclopedia setup program with a command something like: wine setup.exe Of course, you replace setup.exe with the path to the setup program. Matt Flaschen From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 10 05:03:33 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:03:33 +1100 Subject: Wine Failure bug report Message-ID: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> Content of Wine bug file, many lines of (no debugging symbols found) have been deleted (Clark): (no debugging symbols found) [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1235244848 (LWP 8197)] (no debugging symbols found) [KCrash handler] #6 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #7 0xb6655875 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #8 0xb6657201 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #9 0xb68606e0 in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #10 0xb685df65 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #11 0xb685dfa2 in std::terminate () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #12 0xb685e0ca in __cxa_throw () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #13 0x080624e2 in ?? () #14 0x0805e731 in ?? () #15 0x0805d57f in ?? 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URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Thu Jan 10 05:10:54 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:10:54 +0000 Subject: Wine Failure bug report In-Reply-To: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> References: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4785A8DE.7070505@stdin.me.uk> Clark wrote: > Content of Wine bug file, many lines of (no debugging symbols found) > have been deleted (Clark): > (no debugging symbols found) > [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] > [New Thread -1235244848 (LWP 8197)] > > (no debugging symbols found) > [KCrash handler] > #6 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () > #7 0xb6655875 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 > #8 0xb6657201 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 > #9 0xb68606e0 in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler () > from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #10 0xb685df65 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #11 0xb685dfa2 in std::terminate () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #12 0xb685e0ca in __cxa_throw () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #13 0x080624e2 in ?? () > #14 0x0805e731 in ?? () > #15 0x0805d57f in ?? () > #16 0xb6641050 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 > #17 0x0805d2f1 in ?? () > > Just so you know the proper place to report bugs is on the bug tracker[1]. Also that backtrace is completely useless so it's not worth including it. Terence [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 06:06:24 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:06:24 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109201842.TFRC21659.fep43.mail.dk@haulrich.local> References: <20080109194035.TDSJ10583.fep46.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091210x5bf68f33wc9c70ca90c01e6b6@mail.gmail.com> <20080109201842.TFRC21659.fep43.mail.dk@haulrich.local> Message-ID: <880dece00801092206u56a56173m52d848e6fe80ad44@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > Dofan, just out of curiosity, what does the Hebrew letters > > > say ?--------------------> > > > > > > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > > > It is the Hebrew alphabet. I run gibberish.co.il, which > > translates wrongly-encoded Hebrew into legible Hebrew. In order > > to do that, I need as many samples of wrongly-encoded Hebrew as > > possible. So I attach those letters to every message, and when > > people respond back with the wrong encoding, I can modify my code > > and add support. Mailing lists are a great source, as people from > > all over the world, with many different encodings, reply and much > > my beautiful Hebrew! > > Ah.... Beautiful glyphs. No caps? . No caps. We only have one case of letters. > BTW aren't most people using UTF-8 these days? Many people are, but not everybody. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 06:08:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:08:10 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801092208s24df7ba5i295cc46be007c63b@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > > I only learned that a few weeks ago. You know, if it was listed in the > > Programs menu as K Burn, Baby, Burn I'd have less of a problem with > > the name. > > Do you have a problem that in the program list its listed as "K3B - CD & DVD > burning". If people cant understand that then they need help. That for more > descriptive than any menu entry in windows which just lists "nero" guess > what i do. I do configure the menu to show descriptions as well. It looks terribly cluttered, but it helps. And yes, I agree that the cluttered KDE menu is much better than the standard Windows menu. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 06:11:40 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:11:40 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801092047.01809.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <200801092047.01809.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00801092211m592422deo747e5f7215a3a43f@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/2008, Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > > > > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > > a blank stare. > > This is my KDE menu: > > http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1512/menugo8.png > > I can't remember if the settings are the default in Kubuntu, but it's > certainly very easy to put the application description next to the name > (Right click panel->Panel Menu->Configure Panel->Menus). So what is so > confusing about this? Nothing, and that is what I do. > As other people in this thread have pointed out, there are plenty of weirdly > named applications on Windows too and people simply get used to them like a > brand name. In fact if an application gets so popular its name becomes > synonymous with the application type, like people call PDFs "Acrobat files" > or say a picture was "Photoshopped". I say that is a "gimped" photo. It's a great way to introduce the app. I've never heard "acrobat files" before. > And have you ever tried Googling for something like 'Media Player'? Yes, you > get MS Windows Media Player as the top hit, simply because of how many people > use it since it is bundled with Windows, but that's no good if you're after > help on a specific KDE media player (and if we're talking about computer > novices they probably will not know to put "KDE" in their search terms > either). I agree that the unique names are good for googling. > Certainly if there is an opportunity to create a unique name that also hints > at its functionality we should go with that and I thought there had been a > slight push towards this for main KDE apps that were being renamed/rewritten > for KDE 4 although I can't think of any that they have really achieved with > this. We'll see. As I'm a heavy Kontact user, I'll be waiting for KDE 4.1 or so before switching. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 06:14:52 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:14:52 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <20080109211422.8npa69ehc80g4s8o@mail.bensa.ar> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B960@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109211422.8npa69ehc80g4s8o@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <880dece00801092214s461c70c5o50d3856a35d462c1@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Norberto Bensa wrote: > > Norberto, We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, > > I promise not to participate in any similar thread never again. I'm out too. When I have some valid complains _and_ suggestions I'll make them in bugzilla. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:16:44 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:16:44 +0200 Subject: Looping through folders in KMail In-Reply-To: <1974877.N3l3HfGnU3@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801082151.44411.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <1974877.N3l3HfGnU3@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4785D46C.4060600@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > >> I'm using KMail 1.9.6 under Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) >> >> In the past I've used the setting to Loop in All Folders to go through >> unread >> mail, and it's worked fine. Unfortunately, in this release it seems not >> to >> be working. Once mail in one folder has been read, pressing <+> no longer >> moves to the next folder with unread mail. >> >> Somebody has suggested that this is a Gutsy problem, no a KMail problem >> Is somebody right? > > I can't see how it could be. It would have to be a KMail problem, but I > haven't got it to loop through all folders since before Gutsy. I (being on Gutsy etc) set the Option "Loop through all folders", it was previously set to not looping. Then I tried with <+> when I had mail and got a pop-up question if I wanted to go to next unread mail in next folder (something like that). There was also a tick-box "do not ask this next time". You might not by mistake have clicked "no" and ticked this box? I ticked the box, clicked "Yes" and now <+> works in taking me to next unread mail in next folder (or whatever folder has unread mail). Sinclair From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Jan 10 09:11:20 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:11:20 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:37 -0500 Stew Schneider wrote: > You know, one of the most recurrent problems is entering an office that > has an Access app and realizing that this one app is going to keep them > from the Linux world unless you are willing to dump the data to mysql or > some such and then (the biggest headache) recreate the forms, queries > and reports from scratch. > > I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody know of one? > > stew > > Back in the days when I used Windows I used to write databases for small companies. I used Borland Paradox which was similar to Access but IMHO much better. Anyway I was quite successful and made a reasonable career out of it. I have been using just Linux for about six years now. I found that everything I wanted to do was available except a database in the Access, Paradox style. I have always considered this to be a big problem for Linux users and over the years since then I have not seen the situation get much better. I have looked at Rekall, Knoda, Kexi and others but, as far as I know, there is still not anywhere in Linux an equivalent to Access or Paradox, even after six years of waiting. What I am referring to here is a program which contains everything in the one package, the so called monolithic database. Yes, I know that there are front ends to mysql et al and I accept that that is one way to go. But, I still believe that an all-in-one database package for Linux, à la Access, is needed and would be welcomed by many. Just my two pennyworth. Neil Winchurst From whitover-1 at btconnect.com Thu Jan 10 09:13:05 2008 From: whitover-1 at btconnect.com (John Hansen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:13:05 +0000 Subject: Share Portfolio Management Software Message-ID: <4785E1A1.20201@btconnect.com> In Windows I use Fairshares from Updata to monitor our various shareholdings. Is there a similar good program for Kubuntu which may be recommended? John From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jan 10 12:55:51 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:55:51 -0600 Subject: New Problem Wine? In-Reply-To: <47859B46.2030503@gatech.edu> References: <47858A1D.7070205@optusnet.com.au> <47859B46.2030503@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <478615D7.20705@swbell.net> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> I have an Encyclopaedia package that I want to run but it needs >> Microsoft so I downloaded "Wine" which gives 3 options: browse C:\ >> drive; Configure Wine and uninstall. >> > > Those are not the only options. What you want to do is run the > Encyclopedia setup program with a command something like: > > wine setup.exe > > Of course, you replace setup.exe with the path to the setup program. > > Matt Flaschen > > Use the "Browse C:\" option. Navigate to the drive/directory where the setup file is. Cross your fingers, say a prayer to the gods of computers and windows, and double click the setup file. If everything works right................................ From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 13:27:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:27:05 -0400 Subject: Wine Failure bug report References: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> <4785A8DE.7070505@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <15610450.EIqmyVyifP@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > Clark wrote: >> Content of Wine bug file, many lines of (no debugging symbols found) >> have been deleted (Clark): >> (no debugging symbols found) ... > Also that backtrace is completely useless so it's not worth including it. I beg to differ. Perhaps you know Wine well enough to be certain, but I've diagnosed many errors from programs compiled without debugging information. When you get right down to it, this one failed in: >> #16 0xb6641050 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 which is sometimes all you need to know. Personally, I don't mind if people post kubuntu bug reports here - though they can't count on a solution - but this isn't KDE related. -- derek From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Thu Jan 10 13:59:01 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:59:01 -0800 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200801100559.01865.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> I started working with OpenOffice.org Base two weeks ago and spent hours learning how to make a button control on one form open another form....there is potential with this program but the documentation is woefully inadequate to get people started quickly. There is strong potential here to solve this problem, but lots of development needed yet to make it mature. As I begun working, I soon realized that HTML MySQL PHP, while heavier applications, would be much easier to learn and program than a Base file. The documentation for all of these applications are far richer both online and commercially than anything I saw for the Visual Basic and UNO system that OpenOffice.org employs--so while the learning curve is steeper, it has much more efficient tools to help climb the hill. Larry On Thursday 10 January 2008 01:11:20 am Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:37 -0500 > > Stew Schneider wrote: > > You know, one of the most recurrent problems is entering an office that > > has an Access app and realizing that this one app is going to keep them > > from the Linux world unless you are willing to dump the data to mysql or > > some such and then (the biggest headache) recreate the forms, queries > > and reports from scratch. > > > > I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody know of one? > > > > stew > > Back in the days when I used Windows I used to write databases for > small companies. I used Borland Paradox which was similar to Access but > IMHO much better. Anyway I was quite successful and made a reasonable > career out of it. > > I have been using just Linux for about six years now. I found that > everything I wanted to do was available except a database in the > Access, Paradox style. I have always considered this to be a big > problem for Linux users and over the years since then I have not seen > the situation get much better. > > I have looked at Rekall, Knoda, Kexi and others but, as far as I know, > there is still not anywhere in Linux an equivalent to Access or > Paradox, even after six years of waiting. What I am referring to here > is a program which contains everything in the one package, the so > called monolithic database. Yes, I know that there are front ends to > mysql et al and I accept that that is one way to go. But, I still > believe that an all-in-one database package for Linux, à la Access, is > needed and would be welcomed by many. > > Just my two pennyworth. > > Neil Winchurst From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 13:23:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:23:17 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2515972.NGTNCSTCLC@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Norberto Bensa wrote: >> And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be meanful >> to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... > > I don't speak English either. In fact, we don't even use Latin > letters, or even write from left to right! Despite all that, my users > _still_ demand meaningful names. I'm not giving you _my_ opinion, > because I personally don't care. I'm reporting what is reported to me > by many users. Neatly sidestepping the issue of what your users consider a "meaningful name" :-) Which side of this fence are you and your users on? Could you give some examples? imo (and I'm sure there's a well-researched body of knowledge in the advertising field to prove or disprove) a good name is readily identified with the product, easy to use and easy to remember. Names like Word and Access meet the last two criteria, but fail on the first because they are so commonplace. abcde fails on the second (because it's five syllables with no simple way to pronounce) and fails on the third in any language where it isn't an acronym (probably all of them that aren't English). On those grounds, many of the KDE names are actually very good. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 13:36:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:36:31 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B960@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <1773090.2EAKOdBDX9@cedar.serverforest.com> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Thanks Dotan, I am in exactly the same boat. Personally, I'm completely > used to all the program names, use them every day _but_ I experienced > someone who did find it difficult. I'm just not sure why it seems to be > such a sore point with some. That's easy. As a group, we tend not to suffer fools gladly, and ditching an OS because you don't like it's names is the epitome of foolishness. > I prefer OOo because it's free, but I can also admit that MS > Word is a good application No, Word is a good "concept", but when I have to teach secretaries who have used Word since it's initial creation how to use it, it's obviously failing on usability grounds (and I'm no expert - still wrestle with it every time I use it). Of course, ooo is worse... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 13:32:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:32:22 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > > I have been using just Linux for about six years now. I found that > everything I wanted to do was available except a database in the > Access, Paradox style. I have always considered this to be a big > problem for Linux users and over the years since then I have not seen > the situation get much better. > > I have looked at Rekall, Knoda, Kexi and others but, as far as I know, > there is still not anywhere in Linux an equivalent to Access or > Paradox, even after six years of waiting. What I am referring to here > is a program which contains everything in the one package, the so > called monolithic database. Yes, I know that there are front ends to > mysql et al and I accept that that is one way to go. But, I still > believe that an all-in-one database package for Linux, à la Access, is > needed and would be welcomed by many. This seems like an unsolvable problem. Such a package would require a massive development effort, which means the resources of a large corporation behind it. But large corporations really _hate_ the proliferation of Access databases, because it fosters data "islanding" - every part of the company has its databases jealously guarded, and no sharing is happening. My entire livelihood consists of getting stuff out of Access and Excel and into enterprise databases. -- derek From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Jan 10 14:58:35 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:58:35 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801100559.01865.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801100559.01865.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <20080110145835.c8636adc.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:59:01 -0800 Larry Hartman wrote: > I started working with OpenOffice.org Base two weeks ago and spent hours > learning how to make a button control on one form open another form....there > is potential with this program but the documentation is woefully inadequate > to get people started quickly. There is strong potential here to solve this > problem, but lots of development needed yet to make it mature. > Which is the sort of thing that I mean. Getting a button on one form to open another form was utterly simple in Paradox (and Access) more than ten years ago. Yet here we are in Linux land all that time later and it is still a huge learning curve. Crazy. Neil Winchurst From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Jan 10 15:09:11 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:09:11 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:32:22 -0400 Derek Broughton wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > > > I have been using just Linux for about six years now. I found that > > everything I wanted to do was available except a database in the > > Access, Paradox style. I have always considered this to be a big > > problem for Linux users and over the years since then I have not seen > > the situation get much better. > > > > This seems like an unsolvable problem. Such a package would require a > massive development effort, which means the resources of a large > corporation behind it. But large corporations really _hate_ the > proliferation of Access databases, because it fosters data "islanding" - > every part of the company has its databases jealously guarded, and no > sharing is happening. My entire livelihood consists of getting stuff out > of Access and Excel and into enterprise databases. > -- > derek > I understand that. However I used to write these databases in Paradox for small companies only. They needed just the one database, perhaps with a maximum of two or three computers linked together, and not a huge file of records. They did not need, and indeed could not afford, anything more than that. I am not suggesting for a moment that this kind of DB would be any use for a big company with many departments. What I am saying is that there is a need for such a program, **as well as** not instead of the current mysql etc ones available now. Nowadays, if I were approached by a similar small (very small) company needing something similar to those I used to create I would have to say that there is nothing suitable in Linux at the moment. As I say, as well as, not instead of ...... Neil Winchurst From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 15:24:31 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:31 +0200 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:32:22 -0400 > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >>> I have been using just Linux for about six years now. I found that >>> everything I wanted to do was available except a database in the >>> Access, Paradox style. I have always considered this to be a big >>> problem for Linux users and over the years since then I have not seen >>> the situation get much better. >>> >> This seems like an unsolvable problem. Such a package would require a >> massive development effort, which means the resources of a large >> corporation behind it. But large corporations really _hate_ the >> proliferation of Access databases, because it fosters data "islanding" - >> every part of the company has its databases jealously guarded, and no >> sharing is happening. My entire livelihood consists of getting stuff out >> of Access and Excel and into enterprise databases. >> -- >> derek >> > I understand that. However I used to write these databases in Paradox > for small companies only. They needed just the one database, perhaps > with a maximum of two or three computers linked together, and not a huge > file of records. They did not need, and indeed could not afford, > anything more than that. I am not suggesting for a moment that this > kind of DB would be any use for a big company with many departments. > > What I am saying is that there is a need for such a program, **as well > as** not instead of the current mysql etc ones available now. Nowadays, > if I were approached by a similar small (very small) company needing > something similar to those I used to create I would have to say that > there is nothing suitable in Linux at the moment. > > As I say, as well as, not instead of ...... > > Neil Winchurst > I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end I don't know. Gambas? Sinclair From nepal.roade at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 15:35:37 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:35:37 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801101535.38302.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > I've never found a package that will do that. Anybody > know of one? > > stew Have you looked at DataKiosk? It uses a sql back end but has forms generation. It is in the repos. nepal. From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Jan 10 16:04:23 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:04:23 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080110160423.f2eff6f8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:31 +0200 "O. Sinclair" wrote: > > > I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end > I don't know. Gambas? > > Sinclair > Yes, I have looked at that. But that is one of the points that I was making. I am talking about an all-in-one, everything-included program in the style of Access and Paradox, a so called monolithic program. You suggest SQLite, but then I must look for a front-end program. I am talking about a program which would already include tables, forms, queries, reports etc all in the one package. No need to look for a front-end or anything else. This kind of program is still missing in Linux, as far as I know. Neil Winchurst From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:03:41 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:03:41 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <1775649.piPM7XCcxi@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I understand that. However I used to write these databases in Paradox > for small companies only. They needed just the one database, perhaps > with a maximum of two or three computers linked together, and not a huge > file of records. They did not need, and indeed could not afford, > anything more than that. I am not suggesting for a moment that this > kind of DB would be any use for a big company with many departments. I understood that - but the problem is that it's the sort of application that isn't going to be created by a small development team. The only people I can see who might have the interest in doing it, and the resources, are the OOO developers. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:04:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:04:43 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5908665.f3PgGt1ZBl@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end > I don't know. Gambas? Ideally, such an application front-end would work with any relational database, so SQLite or MySQL or PostGreSQL is irrelevant. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:10:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:10:09 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B924@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801091040re2b0880tb4e4d8eb16f371c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1313939.usulX7IiX2@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > There was recently a similar discussion on the python list. Many > management would not consider a language with such a silly name. And yet they probably wouldn't have an issue with "jython". Programming languages are actually expected to have silly names - the problem with python, I think, is actually that it seems _trivial_. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:17:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:17:28 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: >> > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell >> > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? >> > >> > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet >> > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. >> > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get >> > a blank stare. >> > >> > K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. >> > >> > Dotan Cohen >> >> K3B is such a great app though its name doesnt matter. > > Er, names do matter. K3B might be a ha-ha funny name, but it does not > tell me what the program does. No, names matter, but the origin of the name does _not_ matter. I know (now, because I looked it up) what k3b means (my guess was "burn, bash and bury", which only tells you I was a Boy Scout and when...). If they had used the full origin as a name, _that_ would be silly. k3b, otoh, is no sillier than GNU or UNIX or Access. k3b is a fine name - it's definitive (you always know what it means, if you've seen it once), it's simple, and it's memorable. > >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? That's lowering the argument to name calling. > Linux is not the norm? It's only for freaks and weirdos? Would you not > like Linux to be the norm? Why? Of course I wouldn't. I want it to be usable, but I couldn't care less if it's ever "the norm", and I don't believe that's what we should be striving for. >> Anyone who uses the distros knows what >> the apps are so i dont see a problem. > > I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of them > could even guess what K3B means. They don't need to (or probably want to). They need to be shown it once, and they'll never forget it. _That_ is what makes it a good name. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:20:00 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1547295.Ks4zUSTyC8@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 7:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> I only learned that a few weeks ago. You know, if it was listed in the >> Programs menu as K Burn, Baby, Burn I'd have less of a problem with >> the name. > > Do you have a problem that in the program list its listed as "K3B - CD & > DVD burning". If people cant understand that then they need help. That for > more descriptive than any menu entry in windows which just lists "nero" > guess what i do. Actually, that's just the default. It can be (from memory): K3B - CD & DVD burning K3B CD & DVD burning CD & DVD burning (K3B) Take your pick. I prefer the last. -- derek From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Jan 10 16:35:55 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:35:55 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <5908665.f3PgGt1ZBl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <5908665.f3PgGt1ZBl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:04:43 -0400 Derek Broughton wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > > > I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end > > I don't know. Gambas? > > Ideally, such an application front-end would work with any relational > database, so SQLite or MySQL or PostGreSQL is irrelevant. > -- > derek > I have used knoda as a front-end to mysql and it is not too bad. However, I can't get it to do all that I want yet. Could be me of course. I have not tried gambas yet. But again I come back to the idea of the all in one package where the "front-end" is part of it already. Neil From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Jan 10 16:37:21 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:37:21 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <1775649.piPM7XCcxi@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1775649.piPM7XCcxi@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080110163721.3bd07b9c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:03:41 -0400 Derek Broughton wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > > I understand that. However I used to write these databases in Paradox > > for small companies only. They needed just the one database, perhaps > > with a maximum of two or three computers linked together, and not a huge > > file of records. They did not need, and indeed could not afford, > > anything more than that. I am not suggesting for a moment that this > > kind of DB would be any use for a big company with many departments. > > I understood that - but the problem is that it's the sort of application > that isn't going to be created by a small development team. The only > people I can see who might have the interest in doing it, and the > resources, are the OOO developers. > > -- > derek > It is not looking very hopeful then!! I have looked at Open Office Base and it is nowhere near ready yet. Neil From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 16:40:00 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:40:00 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2008 4:17 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? > > That's lowering the argument to name calling. > > Sorry i phrased that badly. What i was getting at is if people are unwilling to accept change then they should stick to the normal that they are used to be that windows or mac. My problem with this topic is i feel that the person merely used the applications names as an excuse to hide an unwillingness to change from their preferred windows environment Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:18:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:18:35 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1850086.akAR2rHLbF@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> > I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of >> > them could even guess what K3B means. >> >> How about : K Burn, Baby, Burn ? > > I only learned that a few weeks ago. You know, if it was listed in the > Programs menu as K Burn, Baby, Burn I'd have less of a problem with > the name. otoh, I hate it. It's silly, it's too complicated, but it is at least memorable. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:21:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:21:36 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <20080109185043.TDKB21281.fep48.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091121s113b69dcx8399b8901a0849f@mail.gmail.com> <20080109194035.TDSJ10583.fep46.mail.dk@haulrich.local> <880dece00801091210x5bf68f33wc9c70ca90c01e6b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2996658.fXd0aaZAiA@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/01/2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> Dofan, just out of curiosity, what does the Hebrew letters >> say ?--------------------> >> > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > It is the Hebrew alphabet. I run gibberish.co.il, which translates > wrongly-encoded Hebrew into legible Hebrew. In order to do that, I > need as many samples of wrongly-encoded Hebrew as possible. So I > attach those letters to every message, and when people respond back > with the wrong encoding, I can modify my code and add support. Mailing > lists are a great source, as people from all over the world, with many > different encodings, reply and much my beautiful Hebrew! That's really terribly clever :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 16:25:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:25:42 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <1268666.9DckLeHVkJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801091117t1cd6d4efn357a0a5028c0f63d@mail.gmail.com> <200801091442.02907.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1971271.3roIdSGtQC@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>On 09/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: >>> > K3B, a great brand name. Who can forget it? I'd say it stands for >>> > KDEBurner but I'd probably be wrong[1]. >>> >>> Yeah, but it's nowhere near as good a name as "abcde" (a better cd >>> encoder). From that, you could of course make a gnome front-end >>> "abcdefg" (for gnome), but it would be awkward to do anything for KDE. >> >>A Better CD Encoder For Grasping Hardly Intuitive Jargon of KDE >> > ROTFLMAO! Thanks Dotan. LOL. See, you can grasp the concept of KDE naming, Dotan :-) -- derek From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Jan 10 17:02:04 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:02:04 +0100 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <20080110163721.3bd07b9c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1775649.piPM7XCcxi@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110163721.3bd07b9c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <47864F8C.1060601@free.fr> gambas2 is used in laurus (accounting ) and pgdesigner (postgres modeler) and other things ... It looks like vb but is much more :) Can use many database engines Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:03:41 -0400 > Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >> >>> I understand that. However I used to write these databases in Paradox >>> for small companies only. They needed just the one database, perhaps >>> with a maximum of two or three computers linked together, and not a huge >>> file of records. They did not need, and indeed could not afford, >>> anything more than that. I am not suggesting for a moment that this >>> kind of DB would be any use for a big company with many departments. >>> >> I understood that - but the problem is that it's the sort of application >> that isn't going to be created by a small development team. The only >> people I can see who might have the interest in doing it, and the >> resources, are the OOO developers. >> >> -- >> derek >> >> > It is not looking very hopeful then!! I have looked at Open Office Base > and it is nowhere near ready yet. > > Neil > > From james at heaver.org Thu Jan 10 17:06:32 2008 From: james at heaver.org (James Heaver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:06:32 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <93a11b110801100906r668404cbu70448a38b38af49c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > On 09/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > >> > There really should be a movement towards better names. What the hell > >> > is K3B? And what program should I burn a disk with? > >> > > >> > Microsoft has great names: Office for an office suit, Internet > >> > Explorer for an Internet web browser, Media Player for a media player. > >> > Ask someone off the street what Amarok or Firefox do, and you will get > >> > a blank stare. > >> > > >> > K3B has to be the worst of the bunch. > >> > > >> > Dotan Cohen > >> > >> K3B is such a great app though its name doesnt matter. > > > > Er, names do matter. K3B might be a ha-ha funny name, but it does not > > tell me what the program does. > > No, names matter, but the origin of the name does _not_ matter. I know > (now, because I looked it up) what k3b means (my guess was "burn, bash and > bury", which only tells you I was a Boy Scout and when...). If they had > used the full origin as a name, _that_ would be silly. k3b, otoh, is no > sillier than GNU or UNIX or Access. k3b is a fine name - it's definitive > (you always know what it means, if you've seen it once), it's simple, and > it's memorable. > > > >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? > > That's lowering the argument to name calling. > > > Linux is not the norm? It's only for freaks and weirdos? Would you not > > like Linux to be the norm? > > Why? Of course I wouldn't. I want it to be usable, but I couldn't care > less if it's ever "the norm", and I don't believe that's what we should be > striving for. And for some users they claim that they find it less usable because 'everything has weird K names that look the immature'. It may be that we decide that it is either an edge case, or just an excuse. Why does Microsoft redesign the GUI style and artwork for each version of windows? Its because it makes it **look** newer, better, faster and shinier than the old version. This means that people are more likely to use it, be more excited about using it and feel that they've got one up on the jones's who still use that old fashioned windows XP. The fact is that if we want to create linux for human beings we need to pay attention to human beings. If 1 person tells you that they won't use ubuntu unless the background is green you can dismiss them as a crank. When 10,000 people tell you that they won't use ubuntu unless the background is green then its probably worth listening to them no matter how trivial the issue. Kubuntu is here to make the transition from geek to human being. In this process the K's may or may not become a sticking point, but just becuase its a silly problem doesn't mean it won't scupper kubuntu being used by human beings. Human beings are strange illogical creatures that should never be underestimated. -- aLittleBitBetter.co.uk "Little choices make your world a little bit better" From mlsoft at videotron.ca Thu Jan 10 17:57:36 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:57:36 -0500 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <20080110160423.f2eff6f8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <20080110160423.f2eff6f8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On January 10, 2008 11:04:23 Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:31 +0200 > "O. Sinclair" wrote: > > > > > I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end > > I don't know. Gambas? > > > > Sinclair > > > Yes, I have looked at that. But that is one of the points that I was > making. I am talking about an all-in-one, everything-included > program in the style of Access and Paradox, a so called monolithic > program. > > You suggest SQLite, but then I must look for a front-end > program. I am talking about a program which would already include > tables, forms, queries, reports etc all in the one package. No need to > look for a front-end or anything else. This kind of program is still > missing in Linux, as far as I know. > > Neil Winchurst > All applications include a frontend and a backend. Wathever you call them, they procees as such. the frontend and the backend, do not need to be linked together to consist of ONE Application. Many windows applications includes many dll and are called monolythic apps. Are you referrign to an application with one EXEcutable and a thousand unknown references? Or an application using many known references ? Or wathever it is ?? Kexi with Sqlite, is the monolythic way, Kexi with Mysql, is the distributed way Choose the one you need, and let us use the other, if I or someone else think the other way is the better. Anyway, you end up with a monolithic app, with many options. And the user wont care of the way, if it is useable, simple, and clean. Philosophy is'nt debatable, and this thread is deriving this way. Truly yours. -- Martin Laberge, 30 years of unix admin... and still learning! mlsoft at videotron.ca (418) 575-2945 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 18:23:15 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:23:15 +0200 Subject: Floppy still no go In-Reply-To: <4785602B.8060305@optusnet.com.au> References: <477CBF75.4060706@optusnet.com.au> <477DDEDD.5090002@optusnet.com.au> <4785602B.8060305@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801102023.15278.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I have installed Kfloppy but still can't find my floppy drive? At the risk of being slapped - have you tried the front panel on your computer :D \d From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 18:53:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:53:28 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1716533.gqDdfzqZv1@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 4:17 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? >> >> That's lowering the argument to name calling. >> >> > Sorry i phrased that badly. > What i was getting at is if people are unwilling to accept change then > they should stick to the normal that they are used to be that windows or > mac. My problem with this topic is i feel that the person merely used the > applications names as an excuse to hide an unwillingness to change from > their preferred windows environment And I agree, but it's clear that there's no consensus even among people who love the distro on what constitutes a reasonable name. Take my new favorite app - Tellico. Is it a good, bad, or indifferent name? It seems that some here would say it's good simply because it isn't either named kTellico or TelliKo. Maybe it would help if you knew what it was? It's a collection management program. It _was_ called (iirc) BookDB - back before Robby realized it could manage far more than your book collection. Personally, I hate the name, but it meets all of my criteria: it's simple, it's memorable, and it's identifiable. It's a better name than Access. Whatever your position, I think it's a safe bet that (a) the k will continue for a long, long, time and (b) people will continue to think up some really stupid names - and most of us won't really care. As for the argument itself - I think it's important to have this discussion, though I'm not sure it'll affect much development. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 18:57:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:57:39 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <5908665.f3PgGt1ZBl@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <4164306.BLedySE8KC@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:04:43 -0400 > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> O. Sinclair wrote: >> >> > I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what >> > front-end I don't know. Gambas? >> >> Ideally, such an application front-end would work with any relational >> database, so SQLite or MySQL or PostGreSQL is irrelevant. >> > I have used knoda as a front-end to mysql and it is not too bad. > However, I can't get it to do all that I want yet. Could be me of > course. I have not tried gambas yet. But again I come back to the idea > of the all in one package where the "front-end" is part of it already. I don't think you're _ever_ going to find that in a Linux environment. What's the value? Linux users mostly don't care if it's all-in-one, and developers are actively against it. It breaks the principles of using one tool for one action, decoupling interface from implementation, and enabling migration of data. -- derek From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Thu Jan 10 19:23:38 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:23:38 -0600 Subject: Floppy still no go In-Reply-To: <200801102023.15278.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603B66226@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> > > I have installed Kfloppy but still can't find my floppy drive? > At the risk of being slapped - have you tried the front panel on your > computer :D /me slap Donn with a large trout ;P ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 19:42:21 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:42:21 +0200 Subject: Floppy still no go In-Reply-To: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603B66226@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> References: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603B66226@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> Message-ID: <200801102142.21881.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > /me slap Donn with a large trout /d ducks and rebuts with halibut :P \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From bbales at cox.net Thu Jan 10 20:21:00 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:21:00 -0600 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> Hi, All, About a month after converting from kubuntu Dapper to kubuntu 7.10, I lost all sound. Apparently at about the same time, In addition, I was no longer able to access /dev/video0 for the tv video input. I think the problem began about the time I tried to add my name to the geneweb group. (That didn't work, but geneweb is working for me.) The kmix box comes up empty. alsamixer returns: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device but sudo alsamixer brings up the mixer. alsaplayer installs a null plugin and no sound, but sudo alsaplayer works. ls -l /usr/bin/alsamixer -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39028 2007-09-03 21:52 /usr/bin/alsamixer So alsamixer is executable by anyone, but not me, apparently. mpg321 foo.mp3 gives ALSA lib confmisc.c:769:(parse_card) cannot find card '' ls -l /usr/bin/mpg321 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 36888 2004-08-13 23:03 /usr/bin/mpg321 cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg cat: /dev/video0: Permission denied This does work if I put sudo in front of cat. mplayer test.mpg then shows the picture without sound, but sudo mplayer shows it with sound. ls -l /dev/video0 crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/video0 ls -l /dev/dsp crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/dsp ls -l /dev/video0 crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/video0 Maybe there is some simple obvious solution to this, but I can't find it. Anyone have any ideas? bruce From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Thu Jan 10 20:40:53 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:40:53 +0000 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> References: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200801102040.53889.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Hi Bruce On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > I think the problem began about the time I tried to add my name to the > geneweb group. (That didn't work, but geneweb is working for me.) > > The kmix box comes up empty. > alsamixer returns: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device > but sudo alsamixer brings up the mixer. > > alsaplayer installs a null plugin and no sound, but sudo alsaplayer works. > > ls -l /usr/bin/alsamixer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39028 2007-09-03 21:52 /usr/bin/alsamixer > > So alsamixer is executable by anyone, but not me, apparently. It looks like you somehow managed to remove yourself from the default secondary groups. alsamixer is executing as you, but cannot open the mixer device due to lack of permission when running under your account and so bombs out. > ls -l /dev/video0 > crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/video0 > > ls -l /dev/dsp > crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/dsp > > ls -l /dev/video0 > crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/video0 > > Maybe there is some simple obvious solution to this, but I can't find it. > Anyone have any ideas? If you notice with the permissions above, only the root user (or anyone running sudo) and users in the groups audio and video can read and write to the video and audio devices. Type 'id' at the command line and it will list the groups you are a member of. By default the list should look something like this: groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46 (plugdev),100(users),104(scanner),112(netdev),113(lpadmin),115(powerdev),118 (admin) You need to be in the audio and video groups for all these audio/video applications to work and if they're missing when you enter the 'id' command then this is your problem. To correct it at the command line you can type a series of commands like this (assuming 'bruce' is your actual username): sudo adduser bruce audio sudo adduser bruce video ... Alternatively you can open the System Settings in KDE and click User Management, switch to Administrator Mode (bottom right) and modify your user account to include these groups as secondary groups. NOTE: You will probably need to log out and back in again for these changes to take effect. HTH -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:41:44 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:41:44 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <2515972.NGTNCSTCLC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> <2515972.NGTNCSTCLC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801101241x1cf27006s49bfd14f607c76c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > On 09/01/2008, Norberto Bensa wrote: > >> And remember: not everyone speaks English... So what should be meanful > >> to you, it's not to the other 6 billions people out there... > > > > I don't speak English either. In fact, we don't even use Latin > > letters, or even write from left to right! Despite all that, my users > > _still_ demand meaningful names. I'm not giving you _my_ opinion, > > because I personally don't care. I'm reporting what is reported to me > > by many users. > > Neatly sidestepping the issue of what your users consider a "meaningful > name" :-) Which side of this fence are you and your users on? Could you > give some examples? I was planning on avoiding further discussion on the subject, but in the interest of conclusion I'll play. I personally open programs with ALT-F2. The shorter the name, the better. K3B is a great, short name that does not repeat a finger in typing. For me, it's almost perfect. My users, however, need to know what programs do. The horrible Linux names (not only KDE/Gnome, and not the K* and G* convention) are a huge turn off. I understand them. I will start making a list of specifics and details, that may find themselves in bugzilla. > imo (and I'm sure there's a well-researched body of knowledge in the > advertising field to prove or disprove) a good name is readily identified > with the product, easy to use and easy to remember. Names like Word and > Access meet the last two criteria, but fail on the first because they are > so commonplace. abcde fails on the second (because it's five syllables > with no simple way to pronounce) and fails on the third in any language > where it isn't an acronym (probably all of them that aren't English). On > those grounds, many of the KDE names are actually very good. KDE names have merit (googlability, for instance) however for the newbie they are a pain. There are workarounds (such as displaying the description as well as the name) but they come at a price. The wife is waiting, and I cannot elaborate fully, but I think that you get the idea. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:44:32 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:32 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > No, names matter, but the origin of the name does _not_ matter. I know > (now, because I looked it up) what k3b means (my guess was "burn, bash and > bury", which only tells you I was a Boy Scout and when...). If they had > used the full origin as a name, _that_ would be silly. k3b, otoh, is no > sillier than GNU or UNIX or Access. k3b is a fine name - it's definitive > (you always know what it means, if you've seen it once), it's simple, and > it's memorable. Memorable it is not. That may be it's failing point. KDE, while not much worse a name than K3B, is memorable and I hear no komplains about it. (K intended) > > > >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? > > That's lowering the argument to name calling. I was going to say the same thing. > > Linux is not the norm? It's only for freaks and weirdos? Would you not > > like Linux to be the norm? > > Why? Of course I wouldn't. I want it to be usable, but I couldn't care > less if it's ever "the norm", and I don't believe that's what we should be > striving for. > > >> Anyone who uses the distros knows what > >> the apps are so i dont see a problem. > > > > I have over a dozen friends that I switched to Linux. None of them > > could even guess what K3B means. > > They don't need to (or probably want to). They need to be shown it once, > and they'll never forget it. _That_ is what makes it a good name. Like said, K3B specifically is not memorable. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:46:31 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:46:31 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > > > On Jan 10, 2008 4:17 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > > >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? > > > > That's lowering the argument to name calling. > > > > > > > > Sorry i phrased that badly. > What i was getting at is if people are unwilling to accept change then they > should stick to the normal that they are used to be that windows or mac. My > problem with this topic is i feel that the person merely used the > applications names as an excuse to hide an unwillingness to change from > their preferred windows environment > > Marty > Marty, these are people who asked me to install Linux for them, not people that I recruited. You know, those who don't like viruses, infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice acronym. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:00:26 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:00:26 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801102300.26172.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > viruses, infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. > Hey, that could make a nice acronym. Lol :D I almost rolled on the floor laughing my a$$ off too. First time on a list. Ever! \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:52:53 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) Message-ID: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> Does kmail threading work well (compare to outlook -ouch), can't seem to get it right Want Threading descending and group by threads, Plus, watch threads in front would be nice... TIA Richard From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:03:52 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:03:52 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801102303.52929.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Memorable it is not. That may be it's failing point. KDE, while not > much worse a name than K3B, is memorable and I hear no komplains about > it. (K intended) I dunno 4 sure, but isn't k3B written by Russian koders (:)) - so perhaps it's meaningfull in that context. I don't have a problem remembering it - taking into account the options : command line burning (oh yeah baby grow iso my fs) or that hideous X burning thing from heck. K3B : Kopy, Keep, Kickass, Bigtime! \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:56:42 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:56:42 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2008 8:46 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Marty, these are people who asked me to install Linux for them, not > people that I recruited. You know, those who don't like viruses, > infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice > acronym. > > Then i cant see why something like a name can hold them back. One thing then if the names are such a problem could you/them suggest alternate appropriate names which are both descriptive and catchy and also dont violate any form of copy right. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:11:38 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:11:38 +0200 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801102311.38926.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:52:53 Richard wrote: > Does kmail threading work well (compare to outlook -ouch), > can't seem to get it right It's a little odd. Go to Folder -> Thread Messages to get it threaded. Then when you click the "Order of arrival" column it actually changes function a few times, so click it more than once. That's my limit of skillz. \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 21:09:43 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:09:43 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110091120.ad4ca1d9.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <12147332.NTtveSQoRm@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110150911.9335b658.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <5908665.f3PgGt1ZBl@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:35:55 +0000 Neil Winchurst wrote: > But again I come back to the idea > of the all in one package where the "front-end" is part of it already. [snipped] Linux is a modular system. Take an application like Claws-Mail as an example: the core of the program is there with a GTK+ interface, but spelll checking is done by aspell or ispell, a whole load of plugins allow other applications to perform specific functions (such as spam checking, encryption, html being shown, etc). Each application is developed by a small team (often of one!) and updated as needed. The Claws-Mail developers have nothing to do with Bogofilter (for instance) but use its array of functions, which are also available to other applications (KMail uses Bogofilter, for instance). Using the "front end" should call the application automagically, so there's no problem for the user, and it gives the maximum amount of flexibility, and avoids "reinventing the wheel". In Windows, you download a monolithic bunch of code that is often duplicated if you download a similar application, and this is for the most part avoided in Linux. This is the "Linux way", a deliberate design strategy when Gnu/Linux was developed. I believe its one of its strengths as it allows small group of coders to keep applications up-to-date. So I wouldn't think that there's any place for the "all-in-one package", except the appearance of one for users. - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFHhom2thMHx1h/UZYRAoC+AJ4wDUtgwnj4rIfmrusQLbXXZOLAKwCeKT44 FXahoUrD8BlQ4jweE7OhFqE= =OXLx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:23:43 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:23:43 -0500 Subject: Flash installer Broken (K)ubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> Well, I did un/install flashplugin-nonfree several times, and still can't get Konqueror to see flashplayer, the last time I did the install threw the terminal and found this: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree [sudo] password for rn: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Suggested packages: firefox ttf-xfree86-nonfree xfs The following NEW packages will be installed: flashplugin-nonfree 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 18.1kB of archives. After unpacking 160kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12 [18.1kB] Fetched 18.1kB in 0s (34.2kB/s) Preconfiguring packages ... Selecting previously deselected package flashplugin-nonfree. (Reading database ... 86429 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from .../flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12_i386.deb) ... Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12) ... Downloading... --23:48:41-- http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get...9_linux.tar.gz => `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' Resolving fpdownload.macromedia.com... 72.246.126.70 Connecting to fpdownload.macromedia.com|72.246.126.70|:80... connected. 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What new steps does one have to take to INSTALL flashplayer into Konqueror ??? Thanks in Advances !! Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bbales at cox.net Thu Jan 10 21:27:17 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:27:17 -0600 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801102040.53889.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> <200801102040.53889.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <200801101527.17194.bbales@cox.net> On Thursday 10 January 2008 14:40:53 Colin Pinkney wrote: > Hi Bruce > > On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > > I think the problem began about the time I tried to add my name to the > > geneweb group. (That didn't work, but geneweb is working for me.) > > > > The kmix box comes up empty. > > alsamixer returns: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such > > device but sudo alsamixer brings up the mixer. > > > > alsaplayer installs a null plugin and no sound, but sudo alsaplayer > > works. > > > > ls -l /usr/bin/alsamixer > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39028 2007-09-03 21:52 /usr/bin/alsamixer > > > > So alsamixer is executable by anyone, but not me, apparently. > > It looks like you somehow managed to remove yourself from the default > secondary groups. alsamixer is executing as you, but cannot open the mixer > device due to lack of permission when running under your account and so > bombs out. > > > ls -l /dev/video0 > > crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/video0 > > > > ls -l /dev/dsp > > crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/dsp > > > > ls -l /dev/video0 > > crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-10 11:29 /dev/video0 > > > > Maybe there is some simple obvious solution to this, but I can't find it. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > If you notice with the permissions above, only the root user (or anyone > running sudo) and users in the groups audio and video can read and write to > the video and audio devices. Type 'id' at the command line and it will list > the groups you are a member of. By default the list should look something > like this: > > groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video), >46 > (plugdev),100(users),104(scanner),112(netdev),113(lpadmin),115(powerdev),11 >8 (admin) > > You need to be in the audio and video groups for all these audio/video > applications to work and if they're missing when you enter the 'id' command > then this is your problem. > > To correct it at the command line you can type a series of commands like > this (assuming 'bruce' is your actual username): > > sudo adduser bruce audio > sudo adduser bruce video > ... > > Alternatively you can open the System Settings in KDE and click User > Management, switch to Administrator Mode (bottom right) and modify your > user account to include these groups as secondary groups. > > NOTE: You will probably need to log out and back in again for these changes > to take effect. > > HTH > > -- > Colin Pinkney > http://www.cpinkney.org.uk Yes, that did it. Thank you very much. I have been using linux for almost nine years, exclusively for seven years and I have never heard of secondary groups. I'll bet that ntp hasn't been working for the same reason. Is there any danger in adding myself to any group that looks likely in /etc/group ? I see mysql, geneweb, admin, saned. Would there be a list somewhere? bruce From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Thu Jan 10 21:32:15 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:32:15 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603B66411@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> >viruses, > infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice > acronym. HAHA! Funniest thing I've seen all day! Tim ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 21:18:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:18:53 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> <2515972.NGTNCSTCLC@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101241x1cf27006s49bfd14f607c76c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1385408.YYuBWcAjUA@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > KDE names have merit (googlability, for instance) however for the > newbie they are a pain. There are workarounds (such as displaying the > description as well as the name) but they come at a price. The wife is > waiting, and I cannot elaborate fully, but I think that you get the > idea. Well, I really _don't_ get the idea. If you work from the menu, use the descriptions. If you work from the command line, you need to know the names. If you do both, it's worthwhile to put them both in the menu so that you can make the connection, but not really necessary. The Windows user doesn't even _know_ the name of the program they execute. When they open Word, they never find out that the program is named winword - so they have _no_ option to access it in the command line. KDE programs are better behaved and when I open a KDE program it will generally show me the program name in the title bar, and _always_ in the About. Word won't even show me that name in the About. I think what this really comes down to is a user complaint that being told the real name of the program is confusing. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 21:24:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:50 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Like said, K3B specifically is not memorable. Perhaps it's a cultural thing - I've never had a problem since the first time I used it. Nobody else here seems to. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 21:25:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:25:44 -0400 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1760508.5xyMfPGfqS@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard wrote: > Does kmail threading work well (compare to outlook -ouch), "Outlook" threading doesn't work at all, you must mean Outlook Express. > can't seem to get it right > > Want Threading descending and group by threads, Afaict, you're just asking about display formats, not threading - which is specifically about linking each mail to a previous one via either "References:" or "In-Reply-To:" headers. KMail threads, and it even lets you cheat and include messages with the same subject that have no references (because so may OE versions didn't bother to include them). Then it displays the threads in a standard tree format. > Plus, watch threads in front would be nice... I've no idea what this means, but KMail doesn't have any particular options for watched threads. -- derek From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Thu Jan 10 21:41:19 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:41:19 +0000 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801101527.17194.bbales@cox.net> References: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> <200801102040.53889.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> <200801101527.17194.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200801102141.19386.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > On Thursday 10 January 2008 14:40:53 Colin Pinkney wrote: > > groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video > >), 46 > > (plugdev),100(users),104(scanner),112(netdev),113(lpadmin),115(powerdev), > >11 8 (admin) > > > > You need to be in the audio and video groups for all these audio/video > > applications to work and if they're missing when you enter the 'id' > > command then this is your problem. > > > > To correct it at the command line you can type a series of commands like > > this (assuming 'bruce' is your actual username): > > > > sudo adduser bruce audio > > sudo adduser bruce video > > ... > > > > Alternatively you can open the System Settings in KDE and click User > > Management, switch to Administrator Mode (bottom right) and modify your > > user account to include these groups as secondary groups. > > Yes, that did it. Thank you very much. I have been using linux for almost > nine years, exclusively for seven years and I have never heard of secondary > groups. I'll bet that ntp hasn't been working for the same reason. > > Is there any danger in adding myself to any group that looks likely > in /etc/group ? I see mysql, geneweb, admin, saned. Would there be a list > somewhere? > bruce /etc/group is the complete list of user groups on your system AFAIK and also stored who belongs to which. However, you should use 'adduser' or the User Management screen in System Settings to modify which groups you are in. If you make your groups list match the ones I listed above (plus the group with the same name as your username) then everything on your system should in theory work ok. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 10 21:23:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:23:21 -0400 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 References: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> <200801102040.53889.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <20716060.0IXjQNx1gD@cedar.serverforest.com> Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: >> I think the problem began about the time I tried to add my name to the >> geneweb group. (That didn't work, but geneweb is working for me.) Ding! You used usermod and forgot the -a option. # sudo usermod -a -G geneweb bruce adds the group "geneweb" to your secondary groups. # sudo usermod -G geneweb bruce _makes_ "geneweb" your secondary group That's one of the stupidest default options I've ever seen, but I've been forced to do it a lot recently, because I've somehow b0rked the KDE user maintenance program (of course, fixing kuser might be a good idea...). -- derek From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Thu Jan 10 21:57:15 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:57:15 +0000 Subject: Flash installer Broken (K)ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801102157.15626.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Richard wrote: > Well, I did un/install flashplugin-nonfree several times, and still can't get Konqueror to see flashplayer, the last time I did the install threw the terminal and found this: > > 2850K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 97% 1.54 MB/s > 2900K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 99% 1.07 MB/s > 2950K .......... .... 100% 2.81 MB/s > > 23:48:43 (1.15 MB/s) - `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' saved [3036127/3036127] > > Download done. > md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz > The Flash plugin is NOT installed. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone I don't know what going on, but this states that flash player was NOT installed... now the $64.00 question is what's broken konqueror kubuntu or ? > > What new steps does one have to take to INSTALL flashplayer into Konqueror ??? > > Thanks in Advances !! > Richard > I asked the same question a couple of weeks back. Apparently it's because Adobe changed the package. So now that I've been reminded about it, I'll ask a new question - does it just need somebody to update the md5sum? If so, how long does it take? And what does it take? Somebody to download the latest flash plugin and generate a new md5sum? I could probably manage that myself, only I wouldn't know how to install the update for everybody else to benefit. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From bbales at cox.net Thu Jan 10 22:00:55 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:00:55 -0600 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801102141.19386.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> <200801101527.17194.bbales@cox.net> <200801102141.19386.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <200801101600.55838.bbales@cox.net> On Thursday 10 January 2008 15:41:19 Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > > On Thursday 10 January 2008 14:40:53 Colin Pinkney wrote: > > > groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(vid > > >eo ), 46 > > > (plugdev),100(users),104(scanner),112(netdev),113(lpadmin),115(powerdev > > >), 11 8 (admin) > > > > > > You need to be in the audio and video groups for all these audio/video > > > applications to work and if they're missing when you enter the 'id' > > > command then this is your problem. > > > > > > To correct it at the command line you can type a series of commands > > > like this (assuming 'bruce' is your actual username): > > > > > > sudo adduser bruce audio > > > sudo adduser bruce video > > > ... > > > > > > Alternatively you can open the System Settings in KDE and click User > > > Management, switch to Administrator Mode (bottom right) and modify your > > > user account to include these groups as secondary groups. > > > > Yes, that did it. Thank you very much. I have been using linux for > > almost nine years, exclusively for seven years and I have never heard of > > secondary groups. I'll bet that ntp hasn't been working for the same > > reason. > > > > Is there any danger in adding myself to any group that looks likely > > in /etc/group ? I see mysql, geneweb, admin, saned. Would there be a > > list somewhere? > > bruce > > /etc/group is the complete list of user groups on your system AFAIK and > also stored who belongs to which. However, you should use 'adduser' or the > User Management screen in System Settings to modify which groups you are > in. > > If you make your groups list match the ones I listed above (plus the group > with the same name as your username) then everything on your system should > in theory work ok. > > -- > Colin Pinkney > http://www.cpinkney.org.uk Thanks again, Colin. My education continues. bruce From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Thu Jan 10 22:06:17 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:06:17 +1100 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 36, Issue 43 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B96E@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> James Heaver wrote: >Kubuntu is here to make the transition from geek to human being. In >this process the K's may or may not become a sticking point, but just >becuase its a silly problem doesn't mean it won't scupper kubuntu >being used by human beings. > >Human beings are strange illogical creatures that should never be >underestimated. I can't begin to say how much I completely agree with this attitude! This captures the original intent of my post, written about 1000 times more eloquently that I could've! :D It's one of the major things I learnt throughout my (albeit short so far compared to some) career...geeks go in search of great IT solutions, and find them regardless of name/ugliness/...humans (for the most part) don't. -Mal (Who is very sick of hot weather and envying all you Northern Hemisphere folk!) From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jan 10 22:09:45 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:09:45 +0100 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801102309.45156.kassube@gmx.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > You know, those who don't like viruses, > infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice > acronym. Makes a nice advert too: Nils From stdin at stdin.me.uk Thu Jan 10 22:21:34 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:21:34 +0000 Subject: Wine Failure bug report In-Reply-To: <15610450.EIqmyVyifP@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> <4785A8DE.7070505@stdin.me.uk> <15610450.EIqmyVyifP@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47869A6E.6090802@stdin.me.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > >> Clark wrote: >> >>> Content of Wine bug file, many lines of (no debugging symbols found) >>> have been deleted (Clark): >>> (no debugging symbols found) >>> > ... > >> Also that backtrace is completely useless so it's not worth including it. >> > > I beg to differ. Perhaps you know Wine well enough to be certain, but I've > diagnosed many errors from programs compiled without debugging information. > When you get right down to it, this one failed in: > > >>> #16 0xb6641050 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 >>> > > which is sometimes all you need to know. > > All that line says is something in main() failed. Which would always happen when the application crashes. From darryl.tidd at daaokc.com Thu Jan 10 22:34:12 2008 From: darryl.tidd at daaokc.com (Darryl Tidd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:34:12 -0600 Subject: Flash installer Broken (K)ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200004452.5949.10.camel@ubuntu-server> On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 16:23 -0500, Richard wrote: > Well, I did un/install flashplugin-nonfree several times, and still > can't get Konqueror to see flashplayer, the last time I did the > install threw the terminal and found this: > > sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree > > [sudo] password for rn: > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state information... Done > > Suggested packages: > > firefox ttf-xfree86-nonfree xfs > > The following NEW packages will be installed: > > flashplugin-nonfree > > 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. > > Need to get 18.1kB of archives. > > After unpacking 160kB of additional disk space will be used. > > Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse > flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12 [18.1kB] > > Fetched 18.1kB in 0s (34.2kB/s) > > Preconfiguring packages ... > > Selecting previously deselected package flashplugin-nonfree. > > (Reading database ... 86429 files and directories currently > installed.) > > Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from .../flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.2 > +really0ubuntu12_i386.deb) ... > > Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12) ... > > Downloading... > > --23:48:41-- http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get...9_linux.tar.gz > > => `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' > > Resolving fpdownload.macromedia.com... 72.246.126.70 > > Connecting to fpdownload.macromedia.com|72.246.126.70|:80... > connected. > > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK > > Length: 3,036,127 (2.9M) [application/x-gzip] > > 0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 1% 316.34 > KB/s > > 50K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 3% 810.06 > KB/s > > 100K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 5% 1.15 > MB/s > > 150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 6% 1.20 > MB/s > > 200K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 8% 1.42 > MB/s > > 250K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 10% 1.27 > MB/s > > 300K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 11% 1.18 > MB/s > > 350K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 13% 1.38 > MB/s > > 400K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 15% 1.14 > MB/s > > 450K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 16% 1.21 > MB/s > > 500K 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.... 100% 2.81 MB/s > > 23:48:43 (1.15 MB/s) - `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' saved > [3036127/3036127] > > Download done. > > md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz > > The Flash plugin is NOT installed. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone I don't know what going on, but this states that flash player > was NOT installed... now the $64.00 question is what's broken > konqueror kubuntu or ? > > What new steps does one have to take to INSTALL flashplayer into > Konqueror ??? > > Thanks in Advances !! > > Richard > I ran into the same problem on ubuntu 7.10 same md5sum mismatch message. I went to the Adobe site and downloaded from there. worked fine from there. Darryl From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 01:41:53 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:41:53 +0200 Subject: Icon size redux Message-ID: <200801110341.53510.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Here's a poser: I have made the inode setting that tells Konqueror to use "detailed list view" by default and for the most part it's working, but ... when one returns from a web-page to a folder (in the same page) the big icon size is always chosen. I mean, go to a web url, then press the Home button (to go to one's home folder) and the icons all display as large icons, not the default view I prefer. I hope there's a quick setting for this one too! \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 11 01:44:14 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:44:14 -0600 Subject: Floppy still no go In-Reply-To: <200801102023.15278.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <477CBF75.4060706@optusnet.com.au> <477DDEDD.5090002@optusnet.com.au> <4785602B.8060305@optusnet.com.au> <200801102023.15278.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4786C9EE.1010803@swbell.net> Donn wrote: >> I have installed Kfloppy but still can't find my floppy drive? >> > At the risk of being slapped - have you tried the front panel on your > computer :D > > \d > > Me thinks you need a bit more than a slap for that one. *<[:o)(o:]>**<[:o)(o:]>* From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 11 02:22:54 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:22:54 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4786D2FE.3020906@swbell.net> On 01/10/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 10/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 2008 4:17 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: > >> > > > >>>> > > >> If you want the normal why are you on a linux distro? > >> > > > >> > > That's lowering the argument to name calling. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sorry i phrased that badly. > > > What i was getting at is if people are unwilling to accept change > then they > > > should stick to the normal that they are used to be that windows > or mac. My > > > problem with this topic is i feel that the person merely used the > > > applications names as an excuse to hide an unwillingness to > change from > > > their preferred windows environment > > > > > > Marty > > > > > Marty, these are people who asked me to install Linux for them, not > people that I recruited. You know, those who don't like viruses, > infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice > acronym. > > Dotan Cohen Dotan, that's REALLY bad. *<[:oD From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Jan 11 03:15:11 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:15:11 -0500 Subject: Organizing Shares Message-ID: <200801102215.11873.d.mcglone@att.net> Hi all, I have a configuration question. I want to know how everybody else manages their remote shares. For the longest time I have edited fstab to mount my shares in /media, but I am wondering if it's easier to just use the "samba shares" folder in "remote places". Matter of fact I would actually prefer to use it in this way, because it is so much easier for, I don't have to fool around with fstab on newly installed systems. My question is; is it possible to put those shares in a place that is more accessible? like on the desktop or kicker instead of having to go to remote places->samba shares? The reason this came up is because I decided to upgrade my laptop to 7.10 and I went with a fresh install and I'm so surprised at how far kubuntu has come for me in terms of hardware. What I mean is that _finally_ my wireless broadcom card was almost a _snap_ to set up. I was happy that the driver was in the "restricted" drivers and I didn't have to install ndiswrapper and all that crap. BUT.... Don't get your hopes up. ;-) My complaint is that the driver was on the repositories, Ah Darn, how am I gonna access the internet with no working connection, unless of course I hard wire my laptop to my router, which wasn't that bad of a thing, but still I think I made my point.. LOL Maybe, just maybe in the future kubuntu could put it on the disk. I don't know much about copyright issues et cetera, but come on it's a no brainer. It's like taking a 4 foot kid in a candy store and give him money to buy candy from a 10 foot shelve. :-) -- David M. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Jan 11 03:25:20 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:25:20 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801102225.20866.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> > If they won't use my stuff because they don't like the name, then they > won't use my stuff until I change this and that and the other too. People > like that are never happy, and it is a waste of time bothering with them. > > Good riddance. After reflecting on this at work all day, I want to add that I'm certainly open to suggestions, but there is a large measure of meeting somewhere in the middle to this. I'm railing against the sort of people who will stop at nothing less than demanding that you duplicate some commercial app feature for feature, menu for menu, and who aren't willing to concede anything for all the effort you've put in to get as far as you have, which might not be as far as you wanted to get, but was the best you could do, dammit. Writing this crap is really hard, you know. A lot of the people doing development work are professional software engineers by day, but then there are also a lot of people like me out here. I'm a truck driver with a BA in foreign languages. My last formal programming class was on an Apple IIe, and was probably based on Apple Pascal. It's very, very difficult for me to write code and work on modern, GUI-based, object-oriented software, and I do it out of love, even though everyone tells me I'm stupid for pissing away so much time in pursuit of something for which there is so little money that it would make a lot more sense to spend the time working at Burger King instead, if I wanted some reason not to spend time with my wife and kids. Then people come in and piss and moan to the end of the earth over something as trivial as a name. A name! Who gives a rat's ass what the damn thing is called, as long as it works?! It just hit a nerve in principle, even though nobody was actually pissing or moaning about Rosegarden's name. It's the kind of thing that makes me want to say the hell with everything, and give up. But then who would work on Rosegarden? I have only written maybe 7% of it, but my 7% mattered. The whole love thing. Damn. I think you have to be certifiably insane to do this kind of thing for a hobby. -- D. Michael McIntyre From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 05:07:58 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:07:58 -0500 Subject: Flash installer Broken (K)ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <1200004452.5949.10.camel@ubuntu-server> References: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> <1200004452.5949.10.camel@ubuntu-server> Message-ID: <200801110007.58330.cms0009@gmail.com> On Thursday 10 January 2008 5:34:12 pm Darryl Tidd wrote: > > > > 2900K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 99% 1.07 > > MB/s > > > > 2950K .......... .... 100% 2.81 MB/s > > > > 23:48:43 (1.15 MB/s) - `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' saved > > [3036127/3036127] > > > > Download done. > > > > md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz > > > > The Flash plugin is NOT installed. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--------- > > > > Anyone I don't know what going on, but this states that flash player > > was NOT installed... now the $64.00 question is what's broken > > konqueror kubuntu or ? > > > > What new steps does one have to take to INSTALL flashplayer into > > Konqueror ??? > > > > Thanks in Advances !! > > > > Richard > > I ran into the same problem on ubuntu 7.10 same md5sum mismatch message. > I went to the Adobe site and downloaded from there. worked fine from > there. > Darryl Sorry, it did not for me... infact, allot of people post varies websites, to download the latest version, okay, no-problem..At least they install correctly.. However, THEY All Crash Konqueror (going to youtube or veoh) I went to adobe site, and downloaded theres... NOPE. Crash and BURN. There something wrong with .115 version plugin. this would be my 18th time installing flash... funning running 7.04 I install flash first shot. Regards- Richard From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 06:38:45 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:38:45 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801102225.20866.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> <200801102225.20866.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801110838.46050.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Writing this crap is really hard, you know. Amen. And I don't even get past the Python level! > Then people come in and piss and moan to the end of the earth over > something as trivial as a name. A name! Who gives a rat's ass what the > damn thing is called, as long as it works?! Hear-hear. It only dawned on me a few years *after* switching to Kubuntu that the entirety of this thing called Gnu/Linux is written by ordinary Joe's who get no special thanks or profit out of it. I would also moan about how casual it was, how much duplication of work there seemed to be, how many bugs, how much was missing, blah, blah, blah... There are exceptions, like Linus (who only profited after all his hard work and by way of thanks, which was nice), but largely it's just work done for the love of it, because we can, because we feel we can contribute. When seen that way, Gnu/Linux is a real testament to altruism. It's proof that people can work together in the face of many threats and despite 'public' opinion and accepted facts of what's possible. > Damn. I think you have to be > certifiably insane to do this kind of thing for a hobby. That or you just can't sleep when that damn routine's not working :D \d From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 07:03:20 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:03:20 +0200 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <20080110160423.f2eff6f8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <478714B8.8010209@gmail.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On January 10, 2008 11:04:23 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:31 +0200 >> "O. Sinclair" wrote: >>> I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end >>> I don't know. Gambas? >>> >>> Sinclair >>> >> Yes, I have looked at that. But that is one of the points that I was >> making. I am talking about an all-in-one, everything-included >> program in the style of Access and Paradox, a so called monolithic >> program. >> >> You suggest SQLite, but then I must look for a front-end >> program. I am talking about a program which would already include >> tables, forms, queries, reports etc all in the one package. No need to >> look for a front-end or anything else. This kind of program is still >> missing in Linux, as far as I know. >> >> Neil Winchurst >> > > All applications include a frontend and a backend. > > Wathever you call them, they procees as such. > > the frontend and the backend, do not need to be linked > together to consist of ONE Application. > > Many windows applications includes many dll > and are called monolythic apps. > > Are you referrign to an application with one EXEcutable > and a thousand unknown references? > > Or an application using many known references ? > > Or wathever it is ?? > > Kexi with Sqlite, is the monolythic way, > Kexi with Mysql, is the distributed way > Still in the subject I notice that in my repos Kexis has an mdb-plugin and some sort of migrator för Access databases. More and more interesting. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 06:59:10 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:59:10 +0200 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <20080110160423.f2eff6f8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On January 10, 2008 11:04:23 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:31 +0200 >> "O. Sinclair" wrote: >>> I think SQLite might be what you are looking for but with what front-end >>> I don't know. Gambas? >>> >>> Sinclair >>> >> Yes, I have looked at that. But that is one of the points that I was >> making. I am talking about an all-in-one, everything-included >> program in the style of Access and Paradox, a so called monolithic >> program. >> >> You suggest SQLite, but then I must look for a front-end >> program. I am talking about a program which would already include >> tables, forms, queries, reports etc all in the one package. No need to >> look for a front-end or anything else. This kind of program is still >> missing in Linux, as far as I know. >> >> Neil Winchurst >> > > All applications include a frontend and a backend. > > Wathever you call them, they procees as such. > > the frontend and the backend, do not need to be linked > together to consist of ONE Application. > > Many windows applications includes many dll > and are called monolythic apps. > > Are you referrign to an application with one EXEcutable > and a thousand unknown references? > > Or an application using many known references ? > > Or wathever it is ?? > > Kexi with Sqlite, is the monolythic way, > Kexi with Mysql, is the distributed way > > Choose the one you need, and let us use the other, > if I or someone else think the other way is the better. > > Anyway, you end up with a monolithic app, with many options. > > And the user wont care of the way, if it is useable, simple, and clean. > I think Kexi might be what you are looking for, this is from the Kexi FAQ: " Q1.2: How to use database servers with Kexi? A1.2: First, note that you do not need to use database servers at all - you can use file-based builtin database server built into Kexi (SQLite-based, very much like MS Access, but a bit more robust). If you want database servers, PostgreSQL and MySQL are supported. Create a new blank database project on server using Kexi's startup dialogs. Kexi will ask you to define connection data with connection dialog and select database name, so you will be able to just pick this predefined connection later. You can also use command line options to create and drop database projects. Also read here (october 2004)." I think I might try it out myself, I have "almost live" data in a interbase database from the windows-side I would like to build an app for. Sinclair From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Fri Jan 11 09:11:22 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:11:22 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478638AF.8010208@gmail.com> <20080110160423.f2eff6f8.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:59:10 +0200 "O. Sinclair" wrote: > I think Kexi might be what you are looking for, this is from the Kexi FAQ: > " Q1.2: How to use database servers with Kexi? > A1.2: First, note that you do not need to use database servers at > all - you can use file-based builtin database server built into Kexi > (SQLite-based, very much like MS Access, but a bit more robust). > If you want database servers, PostgreSQL and MySQL are supported. > Create a new blank database project on server using Kexi's startup > dialogs. Kexi will ask you to define connection data with connection > dialog and select database name, so you will be able to just pick this > predefined connection later. You can also use command line options to > create and drop database projects. Also read here (october 2004)." > > I think I might try it out myself, I have "almost live" data in a > interbase database from the windows-side I would like to build an app for. > > Sinclair > Thanks for that and for all the other answers received. It does look as though kexi is going to be the nearest one to what I am looking for. I will look at it more closely. At the moment I am using Edgy which is getting a bit old, so my version of kexi is also old. I expect to move to Hardy in April which should have more up to date versions of programs, and is the next LTS version I understand. Thanks again Neil Winchurst From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Fri Jan 11 10:12:45 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:12:45 +0100 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad Neil Winchurst: > At the moment I am using Edgy which is getting a bit old, so my > version of kexi is also old. I expect to move to Hardy in April > which should have more up to date versions of programs, and is the > next LTS version I understand. Kubuntu 8.4 (Hardy) will _not_ have LTS, because of the big transition to KDE 4.0 If you want a newer kexi, you could consider kubuntu 7.10, with the stable KDE 3.5.8. This will be supported until april 2009. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 10:35:47 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:35:47 +0200 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <47874683.8000703@gmail.com> Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad Neil Winchurst: >> At the moment I am using Edgy which is getting a bit old, so my >> version of kexi is also old. I expect to move to Hardy in April >> which should have more up to date versions of programs, and is the >> next LTS version I understand. > > Kubuntu 8.4 (Hardy) will _not_ have LTS, because of the big transition > to KDE 4.0 > Really? As I understood it 8.04 will be LTS but with KDE 3.5.something and not KDE4. KDE4 only available as an optional download. Sinclair From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 11 11:49:50 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:49:50 +1100 Subject: Floppy Is Solved (steam from ears) In-Reply-To: <478726A1.1050007@optusnet.com.au> References: <477CBF75.4060706@optusnet.com.au> <477DDEDD.5090002@optusnet.com.au> <4785602B.8060305@optusnet.com.au> <200801102023.15278.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478726A1.1050007@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <478757DE.2050603@optusnet.com.au> Places I have tried: Presumably you mean by "Front Panel" : Control Centre - Control centre; peripherals; storage media; medium types - All Mime Types (selected) System Menu - Media Dolphin Or possibly System Settings Advanced - Disk and File Systems As a long shot I went in through Konqueror Media I thought I was on to something when I found Kb Device Database but that was yet another blind alley Still no trace of a floppy Icon in any of the above only the hard drive, and or a CD Icon if there was a Disk inserted. I have checked the startup (black and white) page and the floppy is listed as 1.44 Meg, I further proved it is being registered by the system by leaving a floppy disk in the drive and the standard message comes up "non system disk please remove and hit any key" I have left messages in Launch, been to the Wiki, tried every Help page I can find. I haven't worked out how to do a search yet but I'm working on it. If there are any other little (possibly amusing) hidey holes that are hidden away in Kubuntu called "Front Panel" perhaps; I would really appreciate it if someone would tell me where they are so I can get access to the floppy. I am not trying to waste anyones' time, particularly my own. Perhaps I've missed the front panel, who knows but there is no floppy to be found. BUT WAIT ALL OF THE ABOVE IS REDUNDANT!!! I FOUND THE OBVIOUS (CUNNINGLY CONCEALED) IN FRONT OF MY NOSE - THE BEST OF ALL PLACES TO HIDE SOMETHING - I CAN SMELL THE FISH AND TO ME IT'S A BIT OFF, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR LEAVING THE FLOPPY OUT BUT ITS BEYOND ME. I don't know how much of your time would have been saved by the simple words "pull down menu on desktop - New - Link to device - Floppy Device; but I do know that I would have saved a great deal of my time over the last 12 days - may be of some value in future. Perhaps I'm expecting too much from a HELP and USER discussion group we all need a laugh. By the way is there some Priestly reason for leaving the floppy disk out of the auto initialisation in the first place, I'm curious anyone know? I trust my frustration provided some humour for all, and I promise to approach this Help and User discussion group circumspectly and with due reverence in future. Much reading to do on Wine and or Partitions before asking any other questions here. Cheers, Clark. Donn wrote: > I have installed Kfloppy but still can't find my floppy drive? > At the risk of being slapped - have you tried the front panel on your computer :D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 11:52:08 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:52:08 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! Message-ID: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) For instructions see RocK on! Terence From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:08:39 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:08:39 +0200 Subject: Floppy Is Solved (steam from ears) In-Reply-To: <478757DE.2050603@optusnet.com.au> References: <477CBF75.4060706@optusnet.com.au> <478726A1.1050007@optusnet.com.au> <478757DE.2050603@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801111408.40029.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Clark, > I don't know how much of your time would have been saved by the simple > words "pull down menu on desktop - New - Link to device - Floppy Device; That's news to me too. I did mention a few days ago that I was out of touch with how floppy's work, so my last post was just a leg puller. Well done on getting it to work. > last 12 days - may be of some value in future. Perhaps I'm expecting > too much from a HELP and USER discussion group we all need a laugh. We can only do our best, I think we all stand around in a dark room called Kubuntu holding our candles and torches trying to connect the cones of light, but there's a lot of gaps in-between. \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Fri Jan 11 11:54:49 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:54:49 +0100 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <47874683.8000703@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> <47874683.8000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111254.50016.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad O. Sinclair: > Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > > fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad Neil Winchurst: > >> At the moment I am using Edgy which is getting a bit old, so my > >> version of kexi is also old. I expect to move to Hardy in April > >> which should have more up to date versions of programs, and is > >> the next LTS version I understand. > > > > Kubuntu 8.4 (Hardy) will _not_ have LTS, because of the big > > transition to KDE 4.0 > > Really? As I understood it 8.04 will be LTS but with KDE > 3.5.something and not KDE4. KDE4 only available as an optional > download. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. Of course I haven't got a link to the "official" explanation, from which I got my understanding. The point was something along the lines of this: "We will not have enough developers for long term support of KDE 3, since they all now move to KDE 4 development." Has anyone got that link? Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:12:19 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:12:19 +0200 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <47875D23.9080200@gmail.com> Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad Neil Winchurst: >> At the moment I am using Edgy which is getting a bit old, so my >> version of kexi is also old. I expect to move to Hardy in April >> which should have more up to date versions of programs, and is the >> next LTS version I understand. > > Kubuntu 8.4 (Hardy) will _not_ have LTS, because of the big transition > to KDE 4.0 > > If you want a newer kexi, you could consider kubuntu 7.10, with the > stable KDE 3.5.8. > This will be supported until april 2009. After some diggin around on the net I admit it seems you are right. Kubuntu 8.04 "kde 3.5-flavor" will have 18 months support, 8.04 "kde 4.0-flavor" will get 6 months only. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:12:56 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:12:56 +0200 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801111254.50016.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> <47874683.8000703@gmail.com> <200801111254.50016.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <47875D48.6000604@gmail.com> Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad O. Sinclair: >> Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: >>> fredag den 11. Januar 2008 kvad Neil Winchurst: >>>> At the moment I am using Edgy which is getting a bit old, so my >>>> version of kexi is also old. I expect to move to Hardy in April >>>> which should have more up to date versions of programs, and is >>>> the next LTS version I understand. >>> Kubuntu 8.4 (Hardy) will _not_ have LTS, because of the big >>> transition to KDE 4.0 >> Really? As I understood it 8.04 will be LTS but with KDE >> 3.5.something and not KDE4. KDE4 only available as an optional >> download. > > I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. > > Of course I haven't got a link to the "official" explanation, from > which I got my understanding. > > The point was something along the lines of this: > > "We will not have enough developers for long term support of KDE 3, > since they all now move to KDE 4 development." > > Has anyone got that link? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002066.html Sinclair From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:40:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:40:10 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110440m6f80d4der78abc0eb5095f488@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 8:46 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Marty, these are people who asked me to install Linux for them, not > > people that I recruited. You know, those who don't like viruses, > > infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice > > acronym. > > Then i cant see why something like a name can hold them back. > One thing then if the names are such a problem could you/them suggest > alternate appropriate names which are both descriptive and catchy and also > dont violate any form of copy right. > I'll start to make an effort, and I will file my suggestion in Bugzilla. I'll update the thread with the bug number, but that may be a while off. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:42:05 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:42:05 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <1385408.YYuBWcAjUA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> <2515972.NGTNCSTCLC@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101241x1cf27006s49bfd14f607c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1385408.YYuBWcAjUA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110442q1ea0502by9cd6238c4c0eb010@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > KDE names have merit (googlability, for instance) however for the > > newbie they are a pain. There are workarounds (such as displaying the > > description as well as the name) but they come at a price. The wife is > > waiting, and I cannot elaborate fully, but I think that you get the > > idea. > > Well, I really _don't_ get the idea. If you work from the menu, use the > descriptions. If you work from the command line, you need to know the > names. If you do both, it's worthwhile to put them both in the menu so > that you can make the connection, but not really necessary. > > The Windows user doesn't even _know_ the name of the program they execute. > When they open Word, they never find out that the program is named > winword - so they have _no_ option to access it in the command line. KDE > programs are better behaved and when I open a KDE program it will generally > show me the program name in the title bar, and _always_ in the About. Word > won't even show me that name in the About. > > I think what this really comes down to is a user complaint that being told > the real name of the program is confusing. That may be. I'll start making sure that the K menu has the descriptions in place. I'll also make as much as a effort as possible to document complains of this type, and to understand them more fully. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:43:41 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:43:41 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801102309.45156.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00801101246g3febaf7eie4ed0de74c8ed4fb@mail.gmail.com> <200801102309.45156.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801110443u588a8024h3928c48e541ed6a0@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Nils Kassube wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > You know, those who don't like viruses, > > infections, spyware, trojans, and adware. Hey, that could make a nice > > acronym. > > Makes a nice advert too: > > That is really nice! I'll be sure to print it and attach it to the inevitable burned Vista CD's when they start showing up. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kfulks at knology.net Fri Jan 11 13:04:24 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:04:24 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47876958.8060900@knology.net> Norberto Bensa wrote: > WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: >> 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) > > > Winamp > WinSCP > winword > winrar > winmine > win.com (yup... windows/system32 in winxp) > > > c'mon, would you just configure your kde correctly and end this subject > already or would you like me to start talking about > iHaveAPattentForThatBeforeYou and iLLSueYou too? > > > Regards, > Norberto > Sorry to be replying to this so late and possibly stirring up a little bit of it again. But I just received this via email and thought that I would try to inject a little humor into the topic as we are seeming to wrap it up. However, I do think that there is relevance in the included quote. ----- begin quote of JOKE! ----- If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their infamous sketch, "Who's on First?" might have turned out something like this: COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? COSTELLO: Thanks. I'm setting up an office in my den and I'm thinking about buying a computer. ABBOTT: Mac? COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou. ABBOTT: Your computer? COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one. ABBOTT: Mac? COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou. ABBOTT: What about Windows? COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here? ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows? COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the windows? ABBOTT: Wallpaper. COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and software. ABBOTT: Software for Windows? COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use to write proposals, track expenses and run my business. What do you have? ABBOTT: Office. COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything? ABBOTT: I just did. COSTELLO: You just did what? ABBOTT: Recommend something. COSTELLO: You recommended something? ABBOTT: Yes. COSTELLO: For my office? ABBOTT: Yes. COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office? ABBOTT: Office. COSTELLO: Yes, for my office! ABBOTT: I recommend Office with Windows. COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's just say I'm sitting at my computer and I want to type a proposal. What do I need? ABBOTT: Word. COSTELLO: What word? ABBOTT: Word in Office. COSTELLO: The only word in office is office. ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows. COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows? ABBOTT: The Word you get when you click the blue "W". COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue "w" if you don't start with some straight answers. What about financial bookkeeping? You have anything I can track my money with? ABBOTT: Money. COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have? ABBOTT: Money. COSTELLO: I need money to track my money? ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer. COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer? ABBOTT: Money. COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer? ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge. COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How much? ABBOTT: One copy. COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money? ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy Money. COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money? ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT! (A few days later) ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off? ABBOTT: Click on "START"............. ----- end quote of JOKE! ----- -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:08:40 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:08:40 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> I do each step by always get the same error; Can't install kdebase-kde4, becouse exist dependencies not matched. El Friday 11 January 2008 08:52:08 Terence Simpson escribió: > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > For instructions see > > RocK on! > > Terence -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. 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From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:10:26 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:10:26 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Like said, K3B specifically is not memorable. > > Perhaps it's a cultural thing - I've never had a problem since the first > time I used it. Nobody else here seems to. It might be. Are you American? From what I've seen, Americans typically do not know the meanings of their own first and last names, much less the names of their cities, rivers, and other objects. For Americans, a name is often a bunch of meaningless letters, nothing more. So obviously a program name is no more important than any other name. For most other cultures, names have meanings. My name is the name of a valley near where I live. The name of my country (Israel) comes from a biblical man who wrestled with god, and the name means just that. Ubuntu means "unity", Firefox is a small bear, Kontact is what the program helps me keep, and Konqueror competes with Explorers and Navigators. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:12:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:12:37 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801102225.20866.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B95B@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080109021527.8r0f0owtq8soss8w@mail.bensa.ar> <880dece00801091057l7dd76d39i2969775f80e01ec4@mail.gmail.com> <200801102225.20866.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110512n69300478k7804fcfbc5155457@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > If they won't use my stuff because they don't like the name, then they > > won't use my stuff until I change this and that and the other too. People > > like that are never happy, and it is a waste of time bothering with them. > > > > Good riddance. > > After reflecting on this at work all day, I want to add that I'm certainly > open to suggestions, but there is a large measure of meeting somewhere in the > middle to this. I'm railing against the sort of people who will stop at > nothing less than demanding that you duplicate some commercial app feature > for feature, menu for menu, and who aren't willing to concede anything for > all the effort you've put in to get as far as you have, which might not be as > far as you wanted to get, but was the best you could do, dammit. That is what I'd expect from you. You are known for getting off your ass and getting things done (got you into the Rosegarden CVS). I'm rather known for that as well, though much less in the computer sense. However, as I'm sure you know, most of the real world people do _expect_ that a program will have a certain degree of functionality and useability. They don't realize, until it is explained to them and they see messages like this on a mailing list, that much of the work is done by volunteers. In the beginning, I was floored when guys like Dag or Larry Ewing would personally answer my questions on mailing lists. Even now, the maintainer of gspca is helping me get my Philips camera working in Ubuntu. Normal people expect that a program is _ready_, and never expect interaction with a dev. Much less being one. > Writing this crap is really hard, you know. A lot of the people doing > development work are professional software engineers by day, but then there > are also a lot of people like me out here. I'm a truck driver with a BA in > foreign languages. My last formal programming class was on an Apple IIe, and > was probably based on Apple Pascal. I know it's hard, and so do the users. However, minimal useability features that are not hard to implement are expected. Such as a useful name. > It's very, very difficult for me to write code and work on modern, GUI-based, > object-oriented software, and I do it out of love, even though everyone tells > me I'm stupid for pissing away so much time in pursuit of something for which > there is so little money that it would make a lot more sense to spend the > time working at Burger King instead, if I wanted some reason not to spend > time with my wife and kids. > > Then people come in and piss and moan to the end of the earth over something > as trivial as a name. A name! Who gives a rat's ass what the damn thing is > called, as long as it works?! The name is certainly not trivial. I just answered Derek on his idea that the importance of a name may be a cultural thing, see that email. > It just hit a nerve in principle, even though nobody was actually pissing or > moaning about Rosegarden's name. It's the kind of thing that makes me want > to say the hell with everything, and give up. > > But then who would work on Rosegarden? I have only written maybe 7% of it, > but my 7% mattered. The whole love thing. Damn. I think you have to be > certifiably insane to do this kind of thing for a hobby. Warden! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:13:50 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:13:50 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> Sorry The package I can't install is kde4-core El Friday 11 January 2008 10:08:40 Eduardo P. Román O. escribió: > I do each step by always get the same error; > Can't install kdebase-kde4, becouse exist dependencies not matched. > > El Friday 11 January 2008 08:52:08 Terence Simpson escribió: > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > For instructions see > > > > RocK on! > > > > Terence > > -- > Saludos Cordiales > > Eduardo P. Román O. > Ingeniero en informática > User #298254 http://counter.li.org. > Epro Software > > CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los > archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está > destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien > va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, > divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente > prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por > favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre > todos los archivos adjuntos. 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From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 11 13:15:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:15:03 -0400 Subject: Wine Failure bug report References: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> <4785A8DE.7070505@stdin.me.uk> <15610450.EIqmyVyifP@cedar.serverforest.com> <47869A6E.6090802@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <4924467.4VK7Au8Z5R@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> I beg to differ. Perhaps you know Wine well enough to be certain, but >> I've diagnosed many errors from programs compiled without debugging >> information. When you get right down to it, this one failed in: >> >>>> #16 0xb6641050 in __libc_start_main () from >>>> #/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 >> >> which is sometimes all you need to know. >> > All that line says is something in main() failed. Which would always > happen when the application crashes. You have missed some important data - what it says is that it failed in libc6-i686. I've had programs do that that didn't fail if you purged libc6-i686. -- derek From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 14:07:17 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:07:17 -0500 Subject: Flash problem, found out (konqueror) users... NOT GOOD Message-ID: <200801110907.17905.cms0009@gmail.com> Well, after some having emails and searching found this: ( it would appear, someone needs to stop working on eye candy and fix konqueror or we are going to loses it as a excellent web browser. =========================================================================== pulled from launchpad ============================================================================ Read Below Apparent Problems with These Fixes These problems are relevant to all of the supplied fixes. That is because all of these fixes are almost identical to each other, all employing Flash 9 Update 3. The fixes are only different packages or sometime just different locations from the same package. The new version of Flash is incompatible with Konqueror because it requires XEmbed (Launchpad Bug# 174343). 9.0.48.0 is the last version of flash to support Konqueror in its current state. The new version of Flash is only compatible with 9.50 Beta 2 of Opera (and later). Some sites, including disney.com and nick.com do not load properly. It would be great if someone tests these sites with an older flash plugin and with Windows Flash Update 3. On Launchpad Bug Comments, by selivanow Quote: Adobe updated the flash plugin. Due to their license, we must download and install their file. This breaks the Gutsy package. We have TWO choices: 1) Don't update the package and have a broken package that no-one can use (aside from the more technically minded) 2) Update the package and have a package that everyone can use, except for konqueror users. It seems that because we have no control over Adobe, the ball is in konqueror's court and they need to patch. (If their users plan on using flash) A third solution, if possible, would be to see if Adobe keeps older versions of flash available for download and update the package to pull that. Indeed, Adobe does keep older version of Flash available for download. However, it is not feasible for end users. The only way is through this archive of flash 9 releases (over 65 MB in size), including installers for all supported platforms). =================================================================================== Well there you go... I can almost hear my friend whom is a Vista users, saying... Hey! are you having problems viewing flash media on your (K)ubuntu Box... I Though Linux was better... > Regards- Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulatgm at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 14:24:37 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:24:37 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <47877C25.6030907@gmail.com> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > For instructions see It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started downloading here. regards, From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 14:34:09 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:34:09 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > For instructions see > > RocK on! > > Terence Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 14:58:17 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:17 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47877C25.6030907@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47877C25.6030907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> You Right men How I should do for install; With a apt-get install kde4 ???? El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > For instructions see > > It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > downloading here. > > regards, -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From kubuntu at virta.be Fri Jan 11 15:04:33 2008 From: kubuntu at virta.be (Tom) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:04:33 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47878581.4060001@virta.be> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've > very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. I don't know if the KDE 4 that my standard Ubuntu Hardy brought in this morning is the same thing, but if it is, I can be quite short: it looks better than I expected, but it acts as unstable as I was afraid it would. :) Just in fiddling around a bit with the settings, I managed it to crash three, four times. Which is when I logged out. :) As far as the russian roulette thing goes: I don't see anything to be afraid of. Settings are stored in .kde4 rather than .kde, or if you're really worried, you could just create a test user? Cheers, Tom -- np: Vromb - Superposition From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:05:06 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:05:06 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47877C25.6030907@gmail.com> <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111205.06178.eprosoft@gmail.com> This is what I got; root at epro-movil:/home/eroman# apt-get install kde4 Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete kde4 (in english Not found package kde4 ) root at epro-movil:/home/eroman# What do you think is the right command ??? El Friday 11 January 2008 11:58:17 Eduardo P. Román O. escribió: > You Right men > > How I should do for install; > With a apt-get install kde4 ???? > > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > > Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > > For instructions see > > > > It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > > downloading here. > > > > regards, > > -- > Saludos Cordiales > > Eduardo P. Román O. > Ingeniero en informática > User #298254 http://counter.li.org. > Epro Software > > CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los > archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está > destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien > va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, > divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente > prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por > favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre > todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. > CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or > attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use > of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of > this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you > received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and > delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. 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URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jan 11 14:09:29 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:09:29 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <47876958.8060900@knology.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> <47876958.8060900@knology.net> Message-ID: <200801110909.30026.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008, Kelly L. Fulks wrote: >Norberto Bensa wrote: >> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: >>> 2/ Things had stupid names (i.e. Kontact, Konquerer, Kolf etc...) >> >> Winamp >> WinSCP >> winword >> winrar >> winmine >> win.com (yup... windows/system32 in winxp) >> >> >> c'mon, would you just configure your kde correctly and end this subject >> already or would you like me to start talking about >> iHaveAPattentForThatBeforeYou and iLLSueYou too? >> >> >> Regards, >> Norberto > >Sorry to be replying to this so late and possibly stirring up a little >bit of it again. But I just received this via email and thought that I >would try to inject a little humor into the topic as we are seeming to >wrap it up. > >However, I do think that there is relevance in the included quote. > >----- begin quote of JOKE! ----- >If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their infamous sketch, >"Who's on First?" might have turned out something like this: > > >COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT > > >ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? >COSTELLO: Thanks. I'm setting up an office in my den and I'm thinking >about buying a computer. >ABBOTT: Mac? >COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou. >ABBOTT: Your computer? >COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one. >ABBOTT: Mac? >COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou. >ABBOTT: What about Windows? >COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here? >ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows? >COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the windows? >ABBOTT: Wallpaper. >COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and software. >ABBOTT: Software for Windows? >COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use to write >proposals, track expenses and run my business. What do you have? >ABBOTT: Office. >COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything? >ABBOTT: I just did. >COSTELLO: You just did what? >ABBOTT: Recommend something. >COSTELLO: You recommended something? >ABBOTT: Yes. >COSTELLO: For my office? >ABBOTT: Yes. >COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office? >ABBOTT: Office. >COSTELLO: Yes, for my office! >ABBOTT: I recommend Office with Windows. >COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's just say I'm >sitting at my computer and I want to type a proposal. What do I need? >ABBOTT: Word. >COSTELLO: What word? >ABBOTT: Word in Office. >COSTELLO: The only word in office is office. >ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows. >COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows? >ABBOTT: The Word you get when you click the blue "W". >COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue "w" if you don't start with some >straight answers. What about financial bookkeeping? You have anything I >can track my money with? >ABBOTT: Money. >COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have? >ABBOTT: Money. >COSTELLO: I need money to track my money? >ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer. >COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer? >ABBOTT: Money. >COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer? >ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge. >COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How much? >ABBOTT: One copy. >COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money? >ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy Money. >COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money? >ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT! >(A few days later) >ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? >COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off? >ABBOTT: Click on "START"............. >----- end quote of JOKE! ----- > >-- >Kelly L. Fulks >Home Account >near Huntsville, AL ROTFLMAO! And it also points out the absurdity of this whole thread in a very humorous manner.. K3b, and the explanation given earlier, for Kde's Burn, Baby, Burn was the best explanation I've heard yet. And easy to remember too. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I've no regrets. I was sincere in everything I said. -- Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, annoucing his new book From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:10:40 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:10:40 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47877C25.6030907@gmail.com> <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110710q2414670bna9988315b3a2e9d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > You Right men > > How I should do for install; > With a apt-get install kde4 ???? The OP put this link in there, which explains how to install: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:04:29 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:04:29 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> On Friday 11 January 2008 15:34:09 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've > very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. Mine works great on my laptop! Using the PPA instead of backports tho. I'd go for it and you can always remove it later. Patrick -- Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From paulatgm at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:35:34 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47877C25.6030907@gmail.com> <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47878CC6.9050500@gmail.com> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >>> For instructions see >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started >> downloading here. Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib package to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from above. regards, From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:38:32 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:38:32 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: I cant seem to make any changes to the panel for some reason. Any plasmoids i add to it i cannot move. At the moment everything is lumped down the bottom left which is no place for the nice new clock! Is there anyway to move these on the panel? Also i have somehow managed to remove the currently open programs from the panel. Is there anyway to get this back is driving me mad not having it there! (can still alt tab between programs fine) Martin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:43:30 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?utf-8?q?Rom=C3=A1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:43:30 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <200801111243.30527.eprosoft@gmail.com> How do you do to install ?? El Friday 11 January 2008 12:38:32 Martin Walshe escribió: > I cant seem to make any changes to the panel for some reason. > Any plasmoids i add to it i cannot move. At the moment everything is lumped > down the bottom left which is no place for the nice new clock! > Is there anyway to move these on the panel? > Also i have somehow managed to remove the currently open programs from the > panel. Is there anyway to get this back is driving me mad not having it > there! (can still alt tab between programs fine) > > Martin. -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:57:49 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:57:49 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111243.30527.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111243.30527.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008 3:43 PM, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > How do you do to install ?? Hi, I and others have explained this to you now several times. Please read the replys and also please stop top posting on replys it makes things hard to follow. Instructions i gave you above are First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. Run sudo apt-get update Sudo apt-get upgrade Sudo apt-get install kde4-core Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. Others also provided this link http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php Please attempt these. Martin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:59:03 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:59:03 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47878581.4060001@virta.be> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> <47878581.4060001@virta.be> Message-ID: <880dece00801110759i57c7fb2end2959dd28ade6d50@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Tom wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've > > very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. > > I don't know if the KDE 4 that my standard Ubuntu Hardy brought > in this morning is the same thing, but if it is, I can be quite > short: it looks better than I expected, but it acts as unstable > as I was afraid it would. :) Just in fiddling around a bit with > the settings, I managed it to crash three, four times. Which is > when I logged out. :) > > As far as the russian roulette thing goes: I don't see anything > to be afraid of. Settings are stored in .kde4 rather than .kde, > or if you're really worried, you could just create a test user? After I've seen a few people that have done that, and left KDE 3 intakt :) (freidian slip) I will try that. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:04:12 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?utf-8?q?Rom=C3=A1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:04:12 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111243.30527.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111304.12221.eprosoft@gmail.com> El Friday 11 January 2008 12:57:49 Martin Walshe escribió: > On Jan 11, 2008 3:43 PM, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > > How do you do to install ?? > > Hi, > I and others have explained this to you now several times. Please read the > replys and also please stop top posting on replys it makes things hard to > follow. > Instructions i gave you above are > > First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy > main to /etc/apt/sources.list. > Run sudo apt-get update > Sudo apt-get upgrade > Sudo apt-get install kde4-core > > Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. > > Others also provided this link > http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php > > Please attempt these. > > Martin. Don't Work it for me. in the apt-get install kde4-core, the package have dependencies and don't install it. From sniffy at rogers.com Fri Jan 11 16:10:01 2008 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:10:01 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> On Friday 11 January 2008 08:13:50 Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > Sorry > The package I can't install is kde4-core > Can you double check that you have deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main in /etc/apt/sources.list ? From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:55 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:14:55 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200801111314.55872.eprosoft@gmail.com> El Friday 11 January 2008 13:10:01 Chris Gow escribió: > On Friday 11 January 2008 08:13:50 Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > > Sorry > > The package I can't install is kde4-core > > Can you double check that you have > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main > > in /etc/apt/sources.list > > ? it's the same -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From eprosoft at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:16:03 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:16:03 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200801111316.03180.eprosoft@gmail.com> El Friday 11 January 2008 13:10:01 Chris Gow escribió: > On Friday 11 January 2008 08:13:50 Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > > Sorry > > The package I can't install is kde4-core > > Can you double check that you have > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main > > in /etc/apt/sources.list > > ? When I selected with adept, this sayd broken ...... -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From sniffy at rogers.com Fri Jan 11 16:17:47 2008 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:17:47 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:38:32 Martin Walshe wrote: > I cant seem to make any changes to the panel for some reason. > Any plasmoids i add to it i cannot move. At the moment everything is lumped > down the bottom left which is no place for the nice new clock! > Is there anyway to move these on the panel? > Also i have somehow managed to remove the currently open programs from the > panel. Is there anyway to get this back is driving me mad not having it > there! (can still alt tab between programs fine) > > Martin. IIRC, in 4.0.0 the panel is not resizable, I also don't think you can move anything either. Regarding your open programs missing, I /think/ you want the Task Manager widget, to add it to the panel, right-click on the desktop select Add Widgets, look for the Task Manager widget, drag the widget onto the panel. Same goes for any other widget. You can not currently drag a widget from the desktop and place it on the panel though (same goes the other way). If that doesn't work for you, if you log out and delete ~/.kde4 and relogin, you'll get a fresh desktop. hth -- chris From jcsanchez2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:19:46 2008 From: jcsanchez2 at gmail.com (JuanCarlos) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:19:46 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111314.55872.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> <200801111314.55872.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47879722.2040508@gmail.com> and just checking further, have you done apt-get update apt-get upgrade after modifying the sources.list?? i have just done it and had no problem at all..... Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > El Friday 11 January 2008 13:10:01 Chris Gow escribió: > >> On Friday 11 January 2008 08:13:50 Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: >> >>> Sorry >>> The package I can't install is kde4-core >>> >> Can you double check that you have >> >> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main >> >> in /etc/apt/sources.list >> >> ? >> > > it's the same > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 11 16:28:15 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:28:15 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4787991F.8030507@swbell.net> Updater popped up this morning with a whole long list of KDE 4.*.* updates. I said "a'right, go'head". It did it's thing and now when I look to see what version I still get KDE 3.5.8. Just seems odd to me that it supposedly installed a whole bunch of KDE 4 stuff and doesn't show up. There were no error messages of any kind. The "update" supposedly went off without a hitch. - - Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:31:07 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:31:07 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008 4:17 PM, Chris Gow wrote: > IIRC, in 4.0.0 the panel is not resizable, I also don't think you can move > anything either. > > Regarding your open programs missing, I /think/ you want the Task Manager > widget, to add it to the panel, right-click on the desktop select Add > Widgets, look for the Task Manager widget, drag the widget onto the panel. > Same goes for any other widget. You can not currently drag a widget from > the > desktop and place it on the panel though (same goes the other way). > > If that doesn't work for you, if you log out and delete ~/.kde4 and > relogin, > you'll get a fresh desktop. > > Many thanks Chris, Had completely missed the task manager widget. Is fine now after putting that back on the bar. Guess i will have to live with not being able to move my clock etc on the panel. Will have to get used to looking down the bottom left instead of right for awhile :) Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 11 16:33:23 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:33:23 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787991F.8030507@swbell.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> <4787991F.8030507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <47879A53.5070201@swbell.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Updater popped up this morning with a whole long list of KDE 4.*.* > updates. I said "a'right, go'head". It did it's thing and now when I > look to see what version I still get KDE 3.5.8. > > Just seems odd to me that it supposedly installed a whole bunch of KDE 4 > stuff and doesn't show up. > > There were no error messages of any kind. The "update" supposedly went > off without a hitch. > Reply to myself. This can't be good. Never mind, figured it out. From sniffy at rogers.com Fri Jan 11 16:39:25 2008 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:39:25 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111139.25413.sniffy@rogers.com> On Friday 11 January 2008 09:34:09 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've > very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. > Works ok for me. I've been following the development of 4.0.0 pretty closely, so I had a pretty good idea of what to expect user experience-wise. That said, here's what I've discovered so far: The Bad: - I can not distinguish between active and inactive windows in 4.0.0. The Oxygen theme uses grey (and it appears to be the same grey) for both active and inactive window title bars. Now, this might be ok if you have compositing turned on (so you can enable fading/shadows etc..) but my laptop doesn't have hardware acceleration. - System Settings allows me to select compositing even though I'm pretty sure it knows that my X is not capable of doing it (I need to remember how to disable KDE options) - There are a lot less plasmoids/widgets than I expected. Dunno if it is packaging releated (perhaps not built yet) or KDE decided to strip some out. For example there is no: - Way to change the Analog Clock to that old bedside table analog clock (the ones where the numbers flipped around) - No weather applet - No picture applet - Notes/twitter applet Some of these I've seen just on developer videos, others I had seen in the betas. The Good: - You can run 3.5.x apps alongside 4.0.0 apps, which is what I am doing with kontact. There doesn't seem to be any problems with that. You get a separate .kde4 directory so your mails and any 3.5 apps won't get corrupted. - I really like the new menu system. The search bar at the top makes it really easy to find apps that I know I want: I just type in the app name and the menu filters down to the applications that match. This is kind of humorous considering the KDE Program Naming Convention thread. - It seems faster. Application launching is about the same, but when an app is up the applciation seems more responsive - The UI is pretty slick, the menu (did I mention the menu) is much easier to work with than the one in 3.5 (I have a 3.5 environment on another PC and its annoying to go through the menu there :) All in all, I'm pretty happy with it so far. I've been running 4.0 for most of this week and was anxiously awaiting the 'official' announcement. I really can not wait to see what comes for 4.1 -- chris From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:41:48 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:41:48 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008 4:31 PM, Martin Walshe wrote: > Guess i will have to live with not being able to move my clock etc on the > panel. Will have to get used to looking down the bottom left instead of > right for awhile :) > > Marty > Ok found a way to hack around this in the mean time. After adding enough widgets to the panel they will default to going to the right hand side of the screen. Can then add what you want eg clock and pager. Previous widgets which have been added as padding to take up space can then be removed and the others will stay in place. Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:50:21 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:50:21 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > > > On Jan 11, 2008 4:31 PM, Martin Walshe wrote: > > Guess i will have to live with not being able to move my clock etc on the > panel. Will have to get used to looking down the bottom left instead of > right for awhile :) > > > > Marty > > > Ok found a way to hack around this in the mean time. > After adding enough widgets to the panel they will default to going to the > right hand side of the screen. Can then add what you want eg clock and > pager. Previous widgets which have been added as padding to take up space > can then be removed and the others will stay in place. > > Marty. File it and post the bug # here. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 16:56:48 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:56:48 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008 4:50 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > File it and post the bug # here. > > Dotan Cohen > Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is why I am considering the jump from Edgy to Hardy. Neil Winchurst From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 17:22:24 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:22:24 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > > File it and post the bug # here. > > Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. That should probably be: BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 18:15:51 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:15:51 -0500 Subject: Gaim or Pidgin Instant Messenger Message-ID: <4787B257.8040400@sbcglobal.net> Kubuntu-7.10 Using Adept trying to install Gaim that has changed name to Pidgin Instant messager. I can't find either in Adept, Add Remove programs. Please help. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 18:41:48 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:41:48 +0000 Subject: Wine Failure bug report In-Reply-To: <4924467.4VK7Au8Z5R@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> <4785A8DE.7070505@stdin.me.uk> <15610450.EIqmyVyifP@cedar.serverforest.com> <47869A6E.6090802@stdin.me.uk> <4924467.4VK7Au8Z5R@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4787B86C.1000508@stdin.me.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> I beg to differ. Perhaps you know Wine well enough to be certain, but >>> I've diagnosed many errors from programs compiled without debugging >>> information. When you get right down to it, this one failed in: >>> >>> >>>>> #16 0xb6641050 in __libc_start_main () from >>>>> #/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 >>>>> >>> which is sometimes all you need to know. >>> >>> >> All that line says is something in main() failed. Which would always >> happen when the application crashes. >> > > You have missed some important data - what it says is that it failed in > libc6-i686. I've had programs do that that didn't fail if you purged > libc6-i686. > libc6-i686 is the optimised c-library for i686, not a good idea to purge that! From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 18:46:57 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:46:57 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47879A53.5070201@swbell.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111013.50811.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111110.01980.sniffy@rogers.com> <4787991F.8030507@swbell.net> <47879A53.5070201@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4787B9A1.4070007@stdin.me.uk> Billie Walsh wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Updater popped up this morning with a whole long list of KDE 4.*.* >> updates. I said "a'right, go'head". It did it's thing and now when I >> look to see what version I still get KDE 3.5.8. >> >> Just seems odd to me that it supposedly installed a whole bunch of KDE 4 >> stuff and doesn't show up. >> >> There were no error messages of any kind. The "update" supposedly went >> off without a hitch. >> >> > > Reply to myself. This can't be good. > > Never mind, figured it out. > > It installs KDE4 along side KDE3 From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 18:51:24 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:51:24 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4787BAAC.5090108@stdin.me.uk> Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > I do each step by always get the same error; > Can't install kdebase-kde4, becouse exist dependencies not matched. > > > El Friday 11 January 2008 08:52:08 Terence Simpson escribió: > >> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >> For instructions see >> >> RocK on! >> >> Terence >> > > Just to note: if you get dependency errors make sure you install "kdebase-bin-kde4" first, then "kde4-core". If you still get errors like: Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed Then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports. Terence From paul at lemmons.name Fri Jan 11 19:09:49 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:09:49 -0700 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <4787BEFD.2020904@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: KDE 4.0.0! From: Terence Simpson To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 01/11/2008 04:52 AM > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > For instructions see > > RocK on! > > Terence > > > Ok, got it installed and have only been playing with it for about an hour, so these are only "First Impressions". - So far, I have not been able to crash it. This is good :) - Theme is attractive. I realize that this is not a technical enhancement but it is still nice. - Everything seems huge! Borders, Buttons, task bar, icons in status area - Can't seem to customize anything (overstatement) I am used to customizing - Panel seems fixed in place, construction and size - Desktop mouse actions can not be assigned. left-click and middle-click are dead - Pager no longer shows icons of running apps and no way to ask it to - Don't see the apt-notifier in status area. I know I have some packages that could be upgraded but the notifier is not there. I see it if I log into 3.5.8 - I have turned on a number of "Effects" but I do not see them. - I may not have done it right - Might be that I need something in xorg.conf that I do not have. - Started Knotes and it works. - Not sure what applications are update to 4.0. - This is good in that I can't tell the difference between 3.5.8 and 4.0 before selecting - This in not so good... don't know what to test - Will run what I normally do and cross my fingers - Runs well under VmWare Workstation 5.5. - vmware tools work - Can resize screen - Mouse is not captured - Mouse is fast - Networking works - vmware-toolbox works - can cut and past between host and guest - Clock is set correctly - I seem to remember a lot more widgets for the desktop ... (may be a memory fault) - All of the widgets I added worked - I can move them around and place them where I want - I can adjust their size and rotation - I have an analog clock that is upside down on my desktop (not very useful but interesting :) Still playing and may have more later. For now, though, the lack of ability to customize is what will keep me from adopting 4.0. I am looking forward to 4.1. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From paul at lemmons.name Fri Jan 11 19:20:07 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:07 -0700 Subject: Gaim or Pidgin Instant Messenger In-Reply-To: <4787B257.8040400@sbcglobal.net> References: <4787B257.8040400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4787C167.7090805@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Gaim or Pidgin Instant Messenger From: Jim To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 01/11/2008 11:15 AM > Kubuntu-7.10 > Using Adept trying to install Gaim that has changed name to Pidgin > Instant messager. > I can't find either in Adept, Add Remove programs. > Please help. > Here is what I get when I ssue the commands: sudo apt-get update apt-cache search pidgin sudo apt-get install pidginn gutsy:~$ sudo apt-get update gutsy:~$ apt-cache search pidgin nautilus-sendto - integrates Evolution and Pidgin into the Nautilus file manager gaim-extendedprefs - plugin for the instant messenger pidgin (transitional package) gaim-guifications - transitional package to pidgin-guifications gaim-hotkeys - Configurable global hotkeys for pidgin gaim-irchelper - IRC extensions for Pidgin (dummy transitional package) gaim-libnotify - display notification bubbles in pidgin gaim-thinklight - Transitional package to pidgin-thinklight pidgin-blinklight - Blinks your ThinkPad's ThinkLight upon new messgaes pidgin-encryption - pidgin plugin that provides transparent encryption pidgin-extprefs - extended preferences plugin for the instant messenger pidgin pidgin-guifications - toaster popups for pidgin pidgin-hotkeys - Configurable global hotkeys for pidgin pidgin-libnotify - display notification bubbles in pidgin pidgin-librvp - MS Exchange RVP instant messaging plugin for Pidgin pidgin-otr - Off-the-Record Messaging plugin for pidgin pidgin-plugin-pack - 30 useful plugins for pidgin telepathy-haze - libpurple connection manager for telepathy pidgin - graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X pidgin-data - multi-protocol instant messaging client - data files pidgin-dbg - Debugging symbols for Pidgin pidgin-dev - multi-protocol instant messaging client - development files gaim - transitional package to Pidgin gutsy:~$ sudo apt-get install pidginn Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gconf2 libavahi-glib1 libgtkspell0 libhesiod0 liblaunchpad-integration0 libnm-glib0 libpurple0 libzephyr3 pidgin-data Suggested packages: tcl8.4 tk8.4 evolution-data-server Recommended packages: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good The following NEW packages will be installed: gconf2 libavahi-glib1 libgtkspell0 libhesiod0 liblaunchpad-integration0 libnm-glib0 libpurple0 libzephyr3 pidgin pidgin-data 0 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Need to get 3820kB of archives. After unpacking 26.0MB of additional disk space will be used. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From bbales at cox.net Fri Jan 11 19:20:25 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:20:25 -0600 Subject: Lost sound and video input - kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <20716060.0IXjQNx1gD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801101421.00259.bbales@cox.net> <200801102040.53889.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> <20716060.0IXjQNx1gD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801111320.26517.bbales@cox.net> On Thursday 10 January 2008 15:23:21 Derek Broughton wrote: > Colin Pinkney wrote: > > On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > >> I think the problem began about the time I tried to add my name to the > >> geneweb group. (That didn't work, but geneweb is working for me.) > > Ding! > > You used usermod and forgot the -a option. > > # sudo usermod -a -G geneweb bruce > > adds the group "geneweb" to your secondary groups. > > # sudo usermod -G geneweb bruce > > _makes_ "geneweb" your secondary group > > That's one of the stupidest default options I've ever seen, but I've been > forced to do it a lot recently, because I've somehow b0rked the KDE user > maintenance program (of course, fixing kuser might be a good idea...). > -- > derek And thanks to you, Derek. I believe I tried sudo usermod -G -a geneweb bruce first and it complained about "No group -a" so I tried sudo usermod -G geneweb bruce I managed to do it on both my kubuntu 7-10 machines. bruce From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Fri Jan 11 19:31:50 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:31:50 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801111931.56574.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> On Friday 11 January 2008 11:52:08 Terence Simpson wrote: > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > For instructions see > > RocK on! > > Terence I'm using it as I write. Obviously it's very different from that which went before, and it will take some getting used to before it's really fair to pass comment. However, I can't help feeling that this is trying to get closer and closer to Windoze instead of trying to implement a really radical alternative. And already I'm frustrated because it took me longer than it should have to dig around and find 'Personal Information Manager' (it was a long way down the menu). I bit my tongue in the earlier discussion of application names. I never has a problem with things called Kontact and it was easy to find. I had further frustration trying to open a terminal, trying to open Kate, and so forth. I haven't yet discovered how to get links to these application where I can see them, but maybe I still need to assimilate myself into KDE4 culture and then all will become clear. Advice is always welcome. Knee-jerk reaction: it looks like something designed by marketing people (not a constituency I hold in high regard) rather than experienced systems professionals. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me go "wow!" and at this rate, come April when Hardy comes out, I might just find myself going over to Gn*me! Rosie -- Currently Reading GRAFTON, SUE: K is for Killer The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From paul at lemmons.name Fri Jan 11 19:36:19 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:36:19 -0700 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787BEFD.2020904@lemmons.name> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4787BEFD.2020904@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4787C533.2030401@lemmons.name> The new konsole is problematic... - The "New tab" button is gone - The "Close tab" button is gone - The ability to rearrange tabs is gone - The ability to right click rename tab is gone - Double click rename tab is gone - Right-click close tab is gone Was this supposed to be an upgrade? The scrollback options and split screen option might be good but I would rather have the tab controls back. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 19:36:29 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:36:29 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > >>> File it and post the bug # here. >>> >> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. >> > > bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. > That should probably be: > BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. Run sudo apt-get update Sudo apt-get upgrade Sudo apt-get install kde4-core Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. ERROR Message: ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Fri Jan 11 20:04:54 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:04:54 +0000 Subject: Flash installer Broken (K)ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801110007.58330.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> <1200004452.5949.10.camel@ubuntu-server> <200801110007.58330.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801112004.54605.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Friday 11 Jan 2008, Richard wrote: > There something wrong with .115 version plugin. > this would be my 18th time installing flash... funning running 7.04 > I install flash first shot. Adobe implemented some XRender stuff in this version of the Flash plugin in order to do proper full screen flash (not just a maximised browser window) but Konqueror does not support this in the Netscape Plugin framework - yet. The KDE developers are working on it, however and I suspect the patch will make its way into the Ubuntu updates repository because version 9.0.115 of the flash plugin has quite a few security updates. This is the problem with closed-source software. Linux distributions have no control over it and to top it off Adobe does not version the main download file and instead only offers the latest. So when you install the flashplugin-nonfree package it has to download from Adobe due to licencing and even if the package you install is versioned 9.0.48, it will simply download the latest available. The only way to install flash at the moment, which works with Konqueror, is to download the Flash 9 archive from Adobe, which contains all previous versions of the plugin, including 9.0.48, and install it manually. The download link is here and is 61MB: http://www.adobe.com/go/tn_14266 -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From paul at lemmons.name Fri Jan 11 20:07:54 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:07:54 -0700 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4787CC9A.1090002@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! From: Jim To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 01/11/2008 12:36 PM > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: >> >> >>>> File it and post the bug # here. >>>> >>>> >>> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. >>> >>> >> bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. >> That should probably be: >> BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! >> >> Dotan Cohen >> >> http://what-is-what.com >> http://gibberish.co.il >> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת >> >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> >> > Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 > I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get > install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. > > First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu > gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. > Run sudo apt-get update > Sudo apt-get upgrade > Sudo apt-get install kde4-core > > Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. > > > ERROR Message: > > ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to > be installed > Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be > installed > Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be > installed > E: Broken packages > > > /This is probably not it but... deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main/ in your example above I do not see the "/gutsy main" at the end of the line you added to sources.list / -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From dgvirtual at akl.lt Fri Jan 11 20:09:26 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:09:26 +0200 Subject: transfering files from PClinuxos to Kubuntu computer In-Reply-To: <200801062207.09515.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <4780FC11.7060708@gmail.com> <47814D52.4090706@gmail.com> <200801062207.09515.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801112209.27608.dgvirtual@akl.lt> On Monday 07 January 2008 05:07:09 D. Michael McIntyre rašė: > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Eric wrote: > > Wow, that was very easy to set up on both machines. It couldn't have > > been much easier! Thank you very much. > > Sure, you're welcome. > > > There is an option to have the server start when the computer is booting > > up. Is that good to do? Do you think it would be better to just start > > the server when I need to transfer files? It depends. If you do use firewall and can manage to make the ssh port open only to the local network (perhaps the right way to say it would be 192.168.1.0/24 range), or maybe you are always behind a router (so your computer is inaccessible from outside the local network), then why bother stopping sshd after the transfer is complete? And if you do not use firewall, and do sometimes get an external ip address, then you might be safer to stop any service you do not use while in the open internet. -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 20:12:01 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:12:01 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787BAAC.5090108@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> <4787BAAC.5090108@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <4787CD91.2080600@sbcglobal.net> Terence Simpson wrote: > Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > >> I do each step by always get the same error; >> Can't install kdebase-kde4, becouse exist dependencies not matched. >> >> >> El Friday 11 January 2008 08:52:08 Terence Simpson escribió: >> >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >>> For instructions see >>> >>> RocK on! >>> >>> Terence >>> >>> >> >> > Just to note: if you get dependency errors make sure you install > "kdebase-bin-kde4" first, then "kde4-core". > If you still get errors like: > > Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is > not going to be installed > > Then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or > just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports. > > Terence > > > Additional dependency, problems. I guess I'll just have to wait for awhile, and try again. $ sudo apt-get install kdebase-bin-kde4 [sudo] password for jim: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kdebase-bin-kde4: Depends: kdebase-runtime but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt4-qt3support (>= 4.3.2) but it is not installable E: Broken packages From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk Fri Jan 11 20:18:35 2008 From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:18:35 +0000 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <1760508.5xyMfPGfqS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> <1760508.5xyMfPGfqS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801112018.35604.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> On Thursday 10 January 2008 21:25, Derek Broughton wrote: > I've no idea what this means, but KMail doesn't have any > particular options for watched threads. Click on the message, right click, watch thread. AJH From paul at lemmons.name Fri Jan 11 20:18:50 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:18:50 -0700 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787CC9A.1090002@lemmons.name> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787CC9A.1090002@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4787CF2A.403@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! From: Paul Lemmons To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 01/11/2008 01:07 PM > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! > From: Jim > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 01/11/2008 12:36 PM > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >>> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>> File it and post the bug # here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. >>> That should probably be: >>> BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >>> http://what-is-what.com >>> http://gibberish.co.il >>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת >>> >>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >>> >>> >>> >> Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 >> I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get >> install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. >> >> First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu >> gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. >> Run sudo apt-get update >> Sudo apt-get upgrade >> Sudo apt-get install kde4-core >> >> Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. >> >> >> ERROR Message: >> >> ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have >> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable >> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created >> or been moved out of Incoming. >> >> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that >> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against >> that package should be filed. >> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >> >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to >> be installed >> Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be >> installed >> Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be >> installed >> E: Broken packages >> >> >> >> > /This is probably not it but... > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main/ > > in your example above I do not see the "/gutsy main" at the end of the > line you added to sources.list > / > > Nevermind... bitten by line split. I need to learn to read with my head cocked at 45 degrees -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 20:33:55 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:33:55 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787CC9A.1090002@lemmons.name> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787CC9A.1090002@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4787D2B3.70508@sbcglobal.net> Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! > From: Jim > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 01/11/2008 12:36 PM > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >>> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>> File it and post the bug # here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. >>> That should probably be: >>> BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >>> http://what-is-what.com >>> http://gibberish.co.il >>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת >>> >>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >>> >>> >>> >> Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 >> I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get >> install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. >> >> First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu >> gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. >> Run sudo apt-get update >> Sudo apt-get upgrade >> Sudo apt-get install kde4-core >> >> Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. >> >> >> ERROR Message: >> >> ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have >> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable >> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created >> or been moved out of Incoming. >> >> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that >> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against >> that package should be filed. >> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >> >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to >> be installed >> Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be >> installed >> Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be >> installed >> E: Broken packages >> >> >> >> > /This is probably not it but... > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main/ > > in your example above I do not see the "/gutsy main" at the end of the > line you added to sources.list > / > > I put the / as such, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/ gutsy main is this what you mean ? I'm still getting dependency problems. All the repo's in /etc/apt/sources-list is # out. From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Fri Jan 11 20:22:43 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:22:43 +0000 Subject: Organizing Shares In-Reply-To: <200801102215.11873.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200801102215.11873.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200801112022.43424.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Friday 11 Jan 2008, David McGlone wrote: > My question is; is it possible to put those shares in a place that is more > accessible? like on the desktop or kicker instead of having to go to remote > places->samba shares? You could always browse to Remote Places, find the Samba share and right click on it and select 'Bookmark this folder' so it always appears in the left Bookmarks column. Alternatively, on the desktop or in any local folder you can right click, select Create New->Link to URL and enter a URL in this format: smb://hostname/sharename You'll then get an icon that you can click on and go directly to that share. > The reason this came up is because I decided to upgrade my laptop to 7.10 > and I went with a fresh install and I'm so surprised at how far kubuntu has > come for me in terms of hardware. What I mean is that _finally_ my > wireless broadcom card was almost a _snap_ to set up. I was happy that the > driver was in the "restricted" drivers and I didn't have to install > ndiswrapper and all that crap. > > BUT.... Don't get your hopes up. ;-) My complaint is that the driver was on > the repositories, Ah Darn, how am I gonna access the internet with no > working connection, unless of course I hard wire my laptop to my router, > which wasn't that bad of a thing, but still I think I made my point.. LOL > > Maybe, just maybe in the future kubuntu could put it on the disk. I don't > know much about copyright issues et cetera, but come on it's a no brainer. > It's like taking a 4 foot kid in a candy store and give him money to buy > candy from a 10 foot shelve. :-) I believe the Broadcom driver uses firmware that must be downloaded and cannot be distributed on disk due to licencing issues. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Jan 11 20:46:57 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:46:57 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47878CC6.9050500@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> <47878CC6.9050500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: > Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > >>> For instructions see > >> > >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > >> downloading here. > > Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib package > to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from above. > > regards, I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it are so much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. -- David M. From girardhenri at free.fr Fri Jan 11 20:56:03 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:56:03 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787D2B3.70508@sbcglobal.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787CC9A.1090002@lemmons.name> <4787D2B3.70508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4787D7E3.2020603@free.fr> In fact it's not so easy to intall it ... I have gutsy (32) and hardy (64) For gutsy i gave up because ppa and mixed gutsy repos made problems I think it's better wait a little... They probably will correct the problems On hardy (32 and 64) I had no problems ... but kdecore-devel can't install... Jim a écrit : > Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! >> From: Jim >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> Date: 01/11/2008 12:36 PM >> >> >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> File it and post the bug # here. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. >>>> That should probably be: >>>> BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! >>>> >>>> Dotan Cohen >>>> >>>> http://what-is-what.com >>>> http://gibberish.co.il >>>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת >>>> >>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 >>> I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get >>> install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. >>> >>> First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu >>> gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. >>> Run sudo apt-get update >>> Sudo apt-get upgrade >>> Sudo apt-get install kde4-core >>> >>> Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. >>> >>> >>> ERROR Message: >>> >>> ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core >>> Reading package lists... Done >>> Building dependency tree >>> Reading state information... Done >>> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have >>> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable >>> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created >>> or been moved out of Incoming. >>> >>> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that >>> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against >>> that package should be filed. >>> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >>> >>> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >>> kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to >>> be installed >>> Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going >>> to be installed >>> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going >>> to be installed >>> Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be >>> installed >>> Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be >>> installed >>> E: Broken packages >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> /This is probably not it but... >> >> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main/ >> >> in your example above I do not see the "/gutsy main" at the end of the >> line you added to sources.list >> / >> >> >> > I put the / as such, > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/ gutsy main > > is this what you mean ? > > I'm still getting dependency problems. > All the repo's in /etc/apt/sources-list is # out. > > From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 21:09:58 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:09:58 -0500 Subject: Flash installer Broken (K)ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801112004.54605.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <200801101623.44020.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801110007.58330.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801112004.54605.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <200801111609.58811.cms0009@gmail.com> On Friday 11 January 2008 3:04:54 pm Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Friday 11 Jan 2008, Richard wrote: > > There something wrong with .115 version plugin. > > this would be my 18th time installing flash... funning running 7.04 > > I install flash first shot. > > Adobe implemented some XRender stuff in this version of the Flash plugin in > order to do proper full screen flash (not just a maximised browser window) > but Konqueror does not support this in the Netscape Plugin framework - yet. > > The KDE developers are working on it, however and I suspect the patch will > make its way into the Ubuntu updates repository because version 9.0.115 of > the flash plugin has quite a few security updates. > > This is the problem with closed-source software. Linux distributions have > no control over it and to top it off Adobe does not version the main > download file and instead only offers the latest. So when you install the > flashplugin-nonfree package it has to download from Adobe due to licencing > and even if the package you install is versioned 9.0.48, it will simply > download the latest available. > > The only way to install flash at the moment, which works with Konqueror, is > to download the Flash 9 archive from Adobe, which contains all previous > versions of the plugin, including 9.0.48, and install it manually. The > download link is here and is 61MB: > > http://www.adobe.com/go/tn_14266 > > -- > Colin Pinkney > http://www.cpinkney.org.uk Hi Colin, I did that, and got konqueror to work, but its the flash, its not working on all websites...like veoh.com they must be using a higher xxx flashplayer version. youtube.com works okay. odd. Richard From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 21:10:59 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:10:59 -0500 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200801112018.35604.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> <1760508.5xyMfPGfqS@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801112018.35604.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801111610.59525.cms0009@gmail.com> On Friday 11 January 2008 3:18:35 pm andrew wrote: > On Thursday 10 January 2008 21:25, Derek Broughton wrote: > > I've no idea what this means, but KMail doesn't have any > > particular options for watched threads. > > Click on the message, right click, watch thread. > > AJH Yeah, I figured it out. Rich From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jan 11 21:22:42 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:22:42 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47878CC6.9050500@gmail.com> <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: >On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: >> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: >> > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: >> >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >> >>> For instructions see >> >> >> >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started >> >> downloading here. >> >> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib package >> to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from above. >> >> regards, > >I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it are so >much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 propaganda as yet. >-- >David M. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 11 21:23:18 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:23:18 +1100 Subject: New problem / insight? Wine Message-ID: <4787DE46.40707@optusnet.com.au> I found in; system settings - advanced a wine glass icon with "windows applications" label; I selected it and a dialog box poped up with the message "It appears that you do not yet have a Windows drive set up. A fake Windows installation will be created for you in /home/cpm/.wine. This may take up to a minute" I waited ten minutes and the wheel was still going around so I selected OK and the wheel stopped as did the the entire system, another complete system freeze. I will try creating this file and see what happens - strikes me as a thouroughly untried / tested system this Wine, perhaps it should be spelled with an Wh. Any suggestions? Clark From ka8sep at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 21:42:57 2008 From: ka8sep at sbcglobal.net (TED FISCHER) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <885423.25530.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >(A few days later) >ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? >COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off? >ABBOTT: Click on "START"............. >----- end quote of JOKE! ----- > >-- >Kelly L. Fulks >Home Account >near Huntsville, AL ROTFLMAO! And it also points out the absurdity of this whole thread in a very humorous manner.. K3b, and the explanation given earlier, for Kde's Burn, Baby, Burn was the best explanation I've heard yet. And easy to remember too. :) Kelly, Very funny. My 2 cents, I liked the older graphics in K3B that had a penguin holding a disk and a blowtorch, while wearing a welders mask. That left little doubt to what the program was for. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 21:54:39 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:54:39 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> Jim wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: >> >> >>>> File it and post the bug # here. >>>> >>>> >>> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. >>> >>> >> bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. >> That should probably be: >> BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! >> >> Dotan Cohen >> >> http://what-is-what.com >> http://gibberish.co.il >> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת >> >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> >> > Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 > I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get > install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. > > First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu > gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. > Run sudo apt-get update > Sudo apt-get upgrade > Sudo apt-get install kde4-core > > Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. > > > ERROR Message: > > ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to > be installed > Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be > installed > Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be > installed > E: Broken packages > > Just try installing "kdebase-bin-kde4" first, then go for "kde4-core" Terence From paul at lemmons.name Fri Jan 11 21:59:24 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:59:24 -0700 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47878CC6.9050500@gmail.com> <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! From: Gene Heskett To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 01/11/2008 02:22 PM > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > >> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: >> >>> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: >>> >>>> El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: >>>> >>>>> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >>>>>> For instructions see >>>>>> >>>>> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started >>>>> downloading here. >>>>> >>> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib package >>> to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from above. >>> >>> regards, >>> >> I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it are so >> much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. >> >> > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 > propaganda as yet. > > >> -- >> David M. >> > > > > I think it is Personal Information Management on the menu but if you just wan KMail you can get to it by typing Kmail at a command line of your choice. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From gert.gast at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 22:05:50 2008 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:05:50 +1100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <79cc94fa0801111405n19edcdf6m3a819eec98eba454@mail.gmail.com> I´m on Dapper and get prompted from the package manager to dl KDE4, is that advisable, or better wait for next LTS Kubuntu version ? Cheers, Gert ____________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 22:08:24 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:08:24 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47878CC6.9050500@gmail.com> <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4787E8D8.6000507@stdin.me.uk> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > >> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: >> >>> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: >>> >>>> El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: >>>> >>>>> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >>>>>> For instructions see >>>>>> >>>>> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started >>>>> downloading here. >>>>> >>> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib package >>> to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from above. >>> >>> regards, >>> >> I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it are so >> much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. >> >> > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 > propaganda as yet. > Unfortunately the kdepim module didn't make it into the 4.0.0 release, so packages like: "kode schematest kung akonadi kagenda kcontactmanager akregator knode kmail kalarm kalarmd kaddressbook karm ktimetracker knotes kontact korganizer kpilot korn" won't be in the initial release. Terence From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 22:14:37 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:14:37 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787CD91.2080600@sbcglobal.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> <4787BAAC.5090108@stdin.me.uk> <4787CD91.2080600@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4787EA4D.20704@stdin.me.uk> Jim wrote: > Additional dependency, problems. > I guess I'll just have to wait for awhile, and try again. > > $ sudo apt-get install kdebase-bin-kde4 > [sudo] password for jim: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > kdebase-bin-kde4: Depends: kdebase-runtime but it is not going to be > installed > Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1) > but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libqt4-qt3support (>= 4.3.2) but it is not > installable > E: Broken packages > > Try with "sudo aptitude install kdebase-bin-kde4", aptitude is usually more verbose and has more advanced dependency handling. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 22:15:58 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:15:58 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <79cc94fa0801111405n19edcdf6m3a819eec98eba454@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111117.48293.sniffy@rogers.com> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801111405n19edcdf6m3a819eec98eba454@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4787EA9E.5090507@stdin.me.uk> Gert Gast wrote: > I´m on Dapper and get prompted from the package manager to dl KDE4, is that > advisable, or better wait for next LTS Kubuntu version ? > > Cheers, Gert > ____________________________ > > It's not available on Dapper, you shouldn't be getting any KDE4 notifications. From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Fri Jan 11 22:11:31 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:11:31 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111139.25413.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> <200801111139.25413.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200801112211.31332.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Friday 11 Jan 2008, Chris Gow wrote: > - There are a lot less plasmoids/widgets than I expected. Dunno if it is > packaging releated (perhaps not built yet) or KDE decided to strip some > out. For example there is no: > - Way to change the Analog Clock to that old bedside table analog clock > (the ones where the numbers flipped around) > - No weather applet > - No picture applet > - Notes/twitter applet Try installing extragear-plasma (do NOT install playground-plasma if you have it as that is an older package) Overall I like the look & feel. It seems more modern to me and I like the composite features, which seem to automatically disable if you are not able to run them like if running KDE in an Xnest. However it still has some very rough corners so I will continue to use 3.5.8 for now, but at least I couldn't get it to crash. :D I think some people are still expecting it to be complete judging by the number of "where's this app..." or "what about feature X" questions. People have to remember this is version 4.0.0, "Point zero" releases are always rough, so you are best sticking with the previous version if you want a stable desktop as v3.5.x isn't going away for a while. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Jan 11 22:35:35 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:35:35 -0800 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111435.36101.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 06:34:09 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 11/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > For instructions see > > > > RocK on! > > > > Terence > > Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've > very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Yeah, don't use these instructions...it not only gives you the KDE4 stuff, but also "upgrades" numerous KDE3 packages with those in the PPA repository....took me 45 minutes of purging these packages, fixing broken dependencies and reinstalling KDE3 from the main repositories. I nearly had a very bad problem on my hand. I think the below suggestion is far wiser and safer on your already installed KDE3: > It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > downloading here. My first install of KDE4 from PPA was not so nice....within 5 minutes of playing around KDE4, it crashed and I lost my panel. I could not retrieve it back, so I decided to purge the install delete the .kde4 directory from my home directory and reinstall. This is when I uncovered what PPA did to my KDE3 install. Larry From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Jan 11 22:35:08 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:35:08 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787D7E3.2020603@free.fr> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4787D2B3.70508@sbcglobal.net> <4787D7E3.2020603@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801111735.08569.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Friday 11 January 2008, Girard Henri wrote: No problems here. Probably something to do with the packages/repos on your box. > In fact it's not so easy to intall it ... > I have gutsy (32) and hardy (64) > For gutsy i gave up because ppa and mixed gutsy repos made problems > I think it's better wait a little... They probably will correct the > problems On hardy (32 and 64) I had no problems ... but kdecore-devel > can't install... > > Jim a écrit : > > Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! > >> From: Jim > >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > >> Date: 01/11/2008 12:36 PM > >> > >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>>> On 11/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > >>>>>> File it and post the bug # here. > >>>>> > >>>>> Will do so when http://bugs.kde.org/ is back up. > >>>> > >>>> bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch. > >>>> That should probably be: > >>>> BKO is currently /.ed. See you at 4.1! > >>>> > >>>> Dotan Cohen > >>>> > >>>> http://what-is-what.com > >>>> http://gibberish.co.il > >>>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > >>>> > >>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > >>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > >>> > >>> Kubuntu-7.10 ,1386 > >>> I did just exactly as per instruction but when I ran Sudo apt-get > >>> install kde4-core I got the ERROR message below. > >>> > >>> First add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu > >>> gutsy main to /etc/apt/sources.list. > >>> Run sudo apt-get update > >>> Sudo apt-get upgrade > >>> Sudo apt-get install kde4-core > >>> > >>> Log out and then select kde4 from the log in menu. > >>> > >>> > >>> ERROR Message: > >>> > >>> ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core > >>> Reading package lists... Done > >>> Building dependency tree > >>> Reading state information... Done > >>> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > >>> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > >>> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > >>> or been moved out of Incoming. > >>> > >>> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > >>> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > >>> that package should be filed. > >>> The following information may help to resolve the situation: > >>> > >>> The following packages have unmet dependencies: > >>> kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to > >>> be installed > >>> Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not > >>> going to be installed > >>> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going > >>> to be installed > >>> Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be > >>> installed > >>> Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to > >>> be installed > >>> E: Broken packages > >> > >> /This is probably not it but... > >> > >> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main/ > >> > >> in your example above I do not see the "/gutsy main" at the end of the > >> line you added to sources.list > >> / > > > > I put the / as such, > > > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/ gutsy main > > > > is this what you mean ? > > > > I'm still getting dependency problems. > > All the repo's in /etc/apt/sources-list is # out. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Jan 11 22:36:54 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:36:54 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111205.06178.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111158.17944.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111205.06178.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111736.54143.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Friday 11 January 2008, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: Maybe you should read the instrucciones, senor? > This is what I got; > root at epro-movil:/home/eroman# apt-get install kde4 > Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho > Creando árbol de dependencias > Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho > E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete kde4 (in english Not found package kde4 > ) root at epro-movil:/home/eroman# > > What do you think is the right command ??? > > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:58:17 Eduardo P. Román O. escribió: > > You Right men > > > > How I should do for install; > > With a apt-get install kde4 ???? > > > > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > > > Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > > > For instructions see > > > > > > It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > > > downloading here. > > > > > > regards, > > > > -- > > Saludos Cordiales > > > > Eduardo P. Román O. > > Ingeniero en informática > > User #298254 http://counter.li.org. > > Epro Software > > > > CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los > > archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está > > destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien > > va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, > > divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente > > prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por > > favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre > > todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. > > CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or > > attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for > > use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > > intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of > > this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you > > received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and > > delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. > > -- > Saludos Cordiales > > Eduardo P. Román O. > Ingeniero en informática > User #298254 http://counter.li.org. > Epro Software > > CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los > archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está > destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien > va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, > divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente > prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por > favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre > todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. > CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or > attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use > of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of > this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you > received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and > delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Fri Jan 11 22:50:47 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:50:47 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111435.36101.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> <200801111435.36101.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <4787F2C7.6020007@stdin.me.uk> Larry Hartman wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 06:34:09 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On 11/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >>> For instructions see >>> >>> RocK on! >>> >>> Terence >>> >> Please report back with installation issues and usage problems. I've >> very excited, but I cannot play russian rulette with my laptop. >> >> Dotan Cohen >> >> http://what-is-what.com >> http://gibberish.co.il >> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת >> >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> > > Yeah, don't use these instructions...it not only gives you the KDE4 stuff, but > also "upgrades" numerous KDE3 packages with those in the PPA > repository....took me 45 minutes of purging these packages, fixing broken > dependencies and reinstalling KDE3 from the main repositories. That's very *intentional* those packages are *needed*. (except amarok) > I nearly had > a very bad problem on my hand. > > I think the below suggestion is far wiser and safer on your already installed > KDE3: > > >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started >> downloading here. >> > > My first install of KDE4 from PPA was not so nice....within 5 minutes of > playing around KDE4, it crashed and I lost my panel. I could not retrieve it > back, so I decided to purge the install delete the .kde4 directory from my > home directory and reinstall. This is when I uncovered what PPA did to my > KDE3 install. > The only difference from the PPA kde3 packages to the ones in main are that an extra package has been added "kdebase-bin-kde3", you'll need that or kdebase-bin-kde4 in order to use KDE4. Just reinstall the -kde3 version if you're going to remove the packages. > Larry > > Terence From stew.schneider at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 22:53:28 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:53:28 -0500 Subject: SSH and OOo Message-ID: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> Box A is running as a file server, on Dapper, if I recall correctly. Box B (in the same office) is running Gutsy with a Gnome desktop (sorry!). I want Box B to access some shares from Box A. That shouldn't be too hard, should it? Well, I've made it pretty hard. Can someone tell me where I'm screwing up? On Box B: I click Places|Browsing and get nowhere. It will show the server, but clicking it reports that it cannot open any of the files. The account from which I'm running on Box A exists on Box B, and at least one of the shares is 777. So, I connect to the shares via ssh, and I can see the shares and the files. If I double click a document, OpenOffice tries to open it, but then throws a dialog saying User: mike and asks for the password. No matter what we enter, the dialog returns, now with no User field, still begging for a password. On the other hand, if I simply drag the file to the desktop and double click it, OOo opens it fine. Why can't OpenOffice open the file "where it sits" on Box A? Permissions are: rwxr_xr_x mike:staff stew From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Jan 11 23:25:48 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:25:48 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 11 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > [anti-American drivel deleted] You've definitely got balls to fill a dumptruck, Dotan. I hope you never use anything I've ever had a hand in creating, because while I can't legally do anything to stop you from doing so, you damn sure aren't welcome to it. Not one bit. I know exactly what all of my names mean, incidentally, and by the way, fuck you. -- D. Michael McIntyre From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 23:53:15 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:53:15 -0500 Subject: Firefox 3 Beta installs ?? Message-ID: <200801111853.15779.cms0009@gmail.com> Looking to install Firefox 3 Beta 2, via a .deb file if possible, but, want to make sure, I can upgrade it easy to the final version 3 when that comes out. in the repo's is firefox 3 alpha 8 Any Solutions. (K)ubuntu 7.10 TIA Richard From labradley at mindspring.com Sat Jan 12 00:23:44 2008 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:23:44 -0600 Subject: How to get scroll mouse working again? Message-ID: <47880890.4000301@mindspring.com> I am running Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10 and have just had the problem that my scroll mouse will not scroll in Firefox or Thunderbird. Normally it scrolls fine. I have tried various methods of getting the scroll working again including /etc/init.d/gpm restart and logging out of KDE and restarting it and checking that there were no changes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf by comparing it to a backup copy made over 2 months ago. The only thing that finally worked was to restart (cold boot) the computer. Is there any way to get the scroll mouse working again without a cold boot? -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Linux From eprosoft at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 01:13:34 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:13:34 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111736.54143.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111205.06178.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801111736.54143.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200801112213.34776.eprosoft@gmail.com> At last, I did it, but no all it's worked. El Friday 11 January 2008 19:36:54 Brendan escribió: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > > Maybe you should read the instrucciones, senor? > > > This is what I got; > > root at epro-movil:/home/eroman# apt-get install kde4 > > Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho > > Creando árbol de dependencias > > Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho > > E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete kde4 (in english Not found package > > kde4 ) root at epro-movil:/home/eroman# > > > > What do you think is the right command ??? > > > > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:58:17 Eduardo P. Román O. escribió: > > > You Right men > > > > > > How I should do for install; > > > With a apt-get install kde4 ???? > > > > > > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > > > > Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > > > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > > > > For instructions see > > > > > > > > It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > > > > downloading here. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > -- > > > Saludos Cordiales > > > > > > Eduardo P. Román O. > > > Ingeniero en informática > > > User #298254 http://counter.li.org. > > > Epro Software > > > > > > CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los > > > archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está > > > destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a > > > quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier > > > almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información > > > está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este > > > mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo > > > este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. > > > CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or > > > attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for > > > use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > > > intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy > > > of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If > > > you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message > > > and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. > > > > -- > > Saludos Cordiales > > > > Eduardo P. Román O. > > Ingeniero en informática > > User #298254 http://counter.li.org. > > Epro Software > > > > CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los > > archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está > > destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien > > va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, > > divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente > > prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por > > favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre > > todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. > > CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or > > attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for > > use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > > intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of > > this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you > > received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and > > delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From gert.gast at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 03:08:43 2008 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:08:43 +1100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787EA9E.5090507@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801111405n19edcdf6m3a819eec98eba454@mail.gmail.com> <4787EA9E.5090507@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <79cc94fa0801111908j778b810dl116a2e75d7b2e793@mail.gmail.com> But i do get the whole KDE 4.0 lot in Adept notifier on Dapper; how do I clean that out?? Gert On Jan 12, 2008 9:15 AM, Terence Simpson wrote: > Gert Gast wrote: > > I´m on Dapper and get prompted from the package manager to dl KDE4, is > that > > advisable, or better wait for next LTS Kubuntu version ? > > > > Cheers, Gert > > ____________________________ > > > > > It's not available on Dapper, you shouldn't be getting any KDE4 > notifications. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Dr Gert Gast Senior Lecturer, SAE Institute Byron Bay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Jan 12 03:18:32 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:18:32 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200801112218.33002.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 4:22:42 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > >On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: > >> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > >> > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > >> >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > >> >>> For instructions see > >> >> > >> >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already started > >> >> downloading here. > >> > >> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib package > >> to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from above. > >> > >> regards, > > > >I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it are > > so much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. > > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 > propaganda as yet. I'm still using Kontact. So I'm not sure. -- David M. From lists at ptfd.org Sat Jan 12 04:16:18 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:16:18 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801112218.33002.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200801112218.33002.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200801112316.18789.lists@ptfd.org> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:18:32 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 4:22:42 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > > >On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: > > >> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > > >> > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > > >> >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > >> >>> For instructions see > > >> >>> > > >> >> > > >> >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already > > >> >> started downloading here. > > >> > > >> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib > > >> package to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from > > >> above. > > >> > > >> regards, > > > > > >I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it are > > > so much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. > > > > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 > > propaganda as yet. > > I'm still using Kontact. So I'm not sure. > KDEPIM apps did not make the 4.0 release. Mike From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sat Jan 12 04:19:11 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:19:11 -0800 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801112019.11336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 03:25:48 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > [anti-American drivel deleted] > > You've definitely got balls to fill a dumptruck, Dotan. > > I hope you never use anything I've ever had a hand in creating, because > while I can't legally do anything to stop you from doing so, you damn sure > aren't welcome to it. Not one bit. > > I know exactly what all of my names mean, incidentally, and by the way, > fuck you. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre I don't have the whole conversation to see who said what to whom, not sure it matters, not into reading others angry words for fun. I just want to say that I sorry to see several people whom have been preeminently helpful and useful to the greater Kubuntu List--and folks who have earned my respect because of their help toward me--get tangled up with each other in this discussion. I am not making any judgments here, like I noted, I haven't seen the whole discussion, just want to suggest that maybe some cool down is necessary and perhaps this specific thread should be shut down. If a resolution can not be achieved, perhaps you folks should come to blows off line. After your done delivering blows to each other with electrons (a HALO3 contest?), declare a victor and come back to the list. I still need good advice from time to time. Larry From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Jan 12 04:18:45 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:18:45 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 4:59:24 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! > From: Gene Heskett > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 01/11/2008 02:22 PM > > > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > >> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: > >>> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > >>>> El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > >>>>> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > >>>>>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > >>>>>> For instructions see Well I got home a while ago and finally got a chance to look at kde 4, I have noticed that it is harder to use konq as a file manager, because I cannot find any way to "show hidden files" in konq. But it's there in dolphin. Anyone know anything about this? -- David M. From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 06:12:17 2008 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:12:17 +0100 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice Message-ID: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> Hi When I run: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade aptitude responds: tol at hp-laptop:~$ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Building tag database... Done The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: apturl deborphan docbook-xml gksu gnome-app-install gnome-icon-theme karbon kexi kivio kivio-data kpresenter kpresenter-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcairo-perl libcroco3 libgail-common libgail18 libgksu2-0 libglade2-0 libglib-perl libgnome2-canvas-perl libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgtk2-perl libgtkhtml2-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common liblaunchpad-integration0 libpqxx-2.6.9 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libscrollkeeper0 libvte-common libvte9 libwv2-1c2 python-cairo python-gconf python-gdbm python-glade2 python-gst0.10 python-gtk2 python-gtkhtml2 python-launchpad-integration python-numeric python-pyorbit python-sexy python-vte scrollkeeper sgml-data software-properties-gtk synaptic The following packages have been kept back: kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 kdepimlibs5 The following packages will be upgraded: kdelibs5-data kdepimlibs-data libdb4.4 libsoprano4 tzdata 5 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 63 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/4880kB of archives. After unpacking 131MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n Why does it want to remove KOffice? I dont want that to happen. My / etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security ## team. # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe main restricted multiverse # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu ## users. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security universe main multiverse restricted deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe main multiverse restricted # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free /Thomas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 07:44:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:44:17 +0200 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801120944.17787.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Why can't OpenOffice open the file "where it sits" on Box A? Permissions > are: As far as I now if you execute an app on another machine (over ssh) then it's going to run on *that* machine. So you need to forward X to get OOO's gui to appear on your box B. I have no idea how to forward X when the ssh is going through Konqueror or the Gnome file manager. On the command line its: ssh -X yourname at hostname \d From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 08:24:24 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:24:24 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801120024r70bf6c54re9a9df0803e5876e@mail.gmail.com> On 12/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > [anti-American drivel deleted] > > You've definitely got balls to fill a dumptruck, Dotan. That was certainly not anti-American drivel. It was factual observation, with no intention of insulting. Actually, I'm not sure how you could have been offended. What, specifically, was offensive? > I hope you never use anything I've ever had a hand in creating, because while > I can't legally do anything to stop you from doing so, you damn sure aren't > welcome to it. Not one bit. If that's the way you feel, then I'll respect your wishes and not use your software. Other than Rosegarden, let me know what other software you've had a hand in and I'll keep away so long as is feasible. You are overreacting and taking offense where non need be taken, but that's your right to do. > I know exactly what all of my names mean, incidentally, and by the way, fuck > you. While I'm being fucked, I'll let you know that _you_ actually, are the type of FOSS dev that I admire. I knew that you drive a truck before you mentioned it in this thread. And I know that is because you didn't finish your degree because the girlfriend->wife got pregnant. With no formal software background, your work on the docs got you into the Rosegarden CVS, and then you started adding code. There was a whole writeup a few months ago in some Linux mag, I'm sure that you know what I'm talking about. That's admirable, and I personally have nothing against you, your country, or any factual generalizations about your countrymen. Note that it was not _me_ that suggested that the naming convention be a cultural matter, rather, I supported the argument with an observation. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 08:28:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:28:10 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801112019.11336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801112019.11336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801120028q147574f4s19a7abe157e45078@mail.gmail.com> On 12/01/2008, Larry Hartman wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 03:25:48 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Friday 11 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > [anti-American drivel deleted] > > > > You've definitely got balls to fill a dumptruck, Dotan. > > > > I hope you never use anything I've ever had a hand in creating, because > > while I can't legally do anything to stop you from doing so, you damn sure > > aren't welcome to it. Not one bit. > > > > I know exactly what all of my names mean, incidentally, and by the way, > > fuck you. > > -- > > D. Michael McIntyre > > > I don't have the whole conversation to see who said what to whom, not sure it > matters, not into reading others angry words for fun. > > I just want to say that I sorry to see several people whom have been > preeminently helpful and useful to the greater Kubuntu List--and folks who > have earned my respect because of their help toward me--get tangled up with > each other in this discussion. > > I am not making any judgments here, like I noted, I haven't seen the whole > discussion, just want to suggest that maybe some cool down is necessary and > perhaps this specific thread should be shut down. > > If a resolution can not be achieved, perhaps you folks should come to blows > off line. After your done delivering blows to each other with electrons (a > HALO3 contest?), declare a victor and come back to the list. I still need > good advice from time to time. > > > Larry He was responding to this message from me: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu/24369 Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 08:54:54 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:54:54 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2008 4:18 AM, David McGlone wrote: > Well I got home a while ago and finally got a chance to look at kde 4, I > have > noticed that it is harder to use konq as a file manager, because I cannot > find any way to "show hidden files" in konq. But it's there in dolphin. > Anyone know anything about this? > > I had the same problem as well. Also was unable to create any new folder for some reason. Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801121112.09302.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Divendres, 11 de Gener de 2008, en Terence Simpson va escriure: | > ~$ sudo apt-get install kde4-core | > Reading package lists... Done | > Building dependency tree | > Reading state information... Done | > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have | > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable | > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created | > or been moved out of Incoming. | > | > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that | > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against | > that package should be filed. | > The following information may help to resolve the situation: | > | > The following packages have unmet dependencies: | >   kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to | > be installed | >              Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going | > to be installed | >              Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going | > to be installed | >              Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be | > installed | >              Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be | > installed | > E: Broken packages | > | >   | | Just try installing "kdebase-bin-kde4" first, then go for "kde4-core" Also, he can try using aptitude instead of apt-get; I've found it to solve problems better than apt-get... ;) -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let us know what you discover. \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 10:24:01 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:24:01 +0000 Subject: kubuntu 7.10, Sony Viao and a strange issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2008 10:08 AM, James Rodger wrote: > > I have recently installed K7.10 onto my laptop, and the only issue I find > is a "freeze" after the laptop has gone into sleep, the mouse moves and such > but I cannot use any buttons or keys........anyone seen this before? > > BTW what is the new release date for KDE4? > Hi, Afraid i cant help with the Viao issue but KDE 4 is now out. Take a look at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php on how to set up. Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 11:08:51 2008 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:08:51 +0100 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice In-Reply-To: <200801121228.00640.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> <200801121228.00640.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121208.53718.tanghus@gmail.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 11:28:00 Donn wrote: > Don't really know, but I have found that: > aptitude dist-upgrade > can fix some of these things. > > Let us know what you discover. > > \d It doesn't fix it but informs me that koffice is broken: tol at hp-laptop:~$ sudo aptitude dist-upgrade [sudo] password for tol: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Building tag database... Done The following packages are BROKEN: koffice2 The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: apturl deborphan docbook-xml gksu gnome-app-install gnome-icon-theme karbon kexi kivio kivio-data kpresenter kpresenter-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcairo-perl libcroco3 libgail-common libgail18 libgksu2-0 libglade2-0 libglib-perl libgnome2-canvas-perl libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgtk2-perl libgtkhtml2-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common liblaunchpad-integration0 libpqxx-2.6.9 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libscrollkeeper0 libvte-common libvte9 libwv2-1c2 python-cairo python-gconf python-gdbm python-glade2 python-gst0.10 python-gtk2 python-gtkhtml2 python-launchpad-integration python-numeric python-pyorbit python-sexy python-vte scrollkeeper sgml-data software-properties-gtk synaptic The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: dbus-x11 kdebase-runtime libphonon4 The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: kdebase-runtime-bin The following NEW packages will be installed: dbus-x11 kdebase-runtime libphonon4 The following packages will be REMOVED: kdebase-runtime-bin The following packages will be upgraded: kate kcontrol kde-icons-oxygen kde4libs-bin kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdepasswd kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind khelpcenter kicker klipper kmenuedit konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole ksmserver ksplash ksysguardd kwin libdb4.4 libkonq4 libsoprano4 tzdata 33 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 64 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1434kB/95,1MB of archives. After unpacking 141MB will be freed. The following packages have unmet dependencies: koffice2: Depends: kdebase-runtime-bin but it is not installable Resolving dependencies... The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: koffice2 Keep the following packages at their current version: ksmserver [4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy, now)] Score is 189 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Any idea whats going on? /Thomas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 11:27:47 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:27:47 +0200 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice In-Reply-To: <200801121208.53718.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> <200801121228.00640.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801121208.53718.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121327.47992.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Any idea whats going on? Urgh. This stuff hurts my head. It looks like you are in the soup. Have you been experimenting with KDE4.0 at all? Perhaps you should let it remove what it wants to, then do another update and another dist-upgrade. Keep going until it does not report anymore broken stuff, then try to install koffice again. Also, aptitude has a gui! Just run aptitude on it's own - perhaps that will show you something otherwise missed. Good luck, \d From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Jan 12 11:40:09 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:40:09 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801112316.18789.lists@ptfd.org> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801112218.33002.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801112316.18789.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801120640.10154.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 11:16:18 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 10:18:32 pm David McGlone wrote: > > On Friday 11 January 2008 4:22:42 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > > > >On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: > > > >> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > > > >> > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > > > >> >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > > >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > > >> >>> For instructions see > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already > > > >> >> started downloading here. > > > >> > > > >> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib > > > >> package to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from > > > >> above. > > > >> > > > >> regards, > > > > > > > >I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it > > > > are so much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. > > > > > > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the > > > 4.0 propaganda as yet. > > > > I'm still using Kontact. So I'm not sure. > > KDEPIM apps did not make the 4.0 release. it's from my install of 3.5.8 alongside 4.0. -- David M. From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 11:43:23 2008 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:43:23 +0100 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice - solved In-Reply-To: <200801121327.47992.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> <200801121208.53718.tanghus@gmail.com> <200801121327.47992.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121243.30637.tanghus@gmail.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 12:27:47 Donn wrote: > > Any idea whats going on? > > Urgh. This stuff hurts my head. It looks like you are in the soup. Have you > been experimenting with KDE4.0 at all? > > Perhaps you should let it remove what it wants to, then do another update > and another dist-upgrade. Keep going until it does not report anymore > broken stuff, then try to install koffice again. > > Also, aptitude has a gui! Just run aptitude on it's own - perhaps that will > show you something otherwise missed. > > Good luck, > \d I let it remove what it wanted and reinstalled koffice and it seems to be OK now. Don't know why it acted up like that. BTW: I haven't been playing with KDE4 at all - plan to wait the better part of a year before I do that. Thanks for the help. /Thomas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 12:04:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:04:33 +0200 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice - solved In-Reply-To: <200801121243.30637.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> <200801121327.47992.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801121243.30637.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121404.33351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Thanks for the help. Glad it worked out. Phew :) aptitude dodge bullet \d From paulatgm at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 12:54:36 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:54:36 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 7.10, Sony Viao and a strange issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4788B88C.1010709@gmail.com> James Rodger said the following on 01/12/2008 05:08 AM: > I have recently installed K7.10 onto my laptop, and the only issue I find is a "freeze" after the laptop has gone into sleep, the mouse moves and such but I cannot use any buttons or keys........anyone seen this before? If you have an nvidia, you need to edit /etc/default/acpi-support and set POST_VIDEO to false and SAVE_VBE_STATE to false. hth From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Jan 12 12:59:11 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:59:11 -0500 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice In-Reply-To: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801120759.12004.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 1:12:17 am Thomas Olsen wrote: > Hi > > When I run: > > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > > aptitude responds: > > tol at hp-laptop:~$ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Building tag database... Done > The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: > apturl deborphan docbook-xml gksu gnome-app-install gnome-icon-theme > karbon kexi kivio kivio-data > kpresenter kpresenter-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data > libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common > libcairo-perl libcroco3 libgail-common libgail18 libgksu2-0 libglade2-0 > libglib-perl > libgnome2-canvas-perl libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl libgnomecanvas2-0 > libgnomecanvas2-common > libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgtk2-perl > libgtkhtml2-0 libgtop2-7 > libgtop2-common liblaunchpad-integration0 libpqxx-2.6.9 librsvg2-2 > librsvg2-common libscrollkeeper0 > libvte-common libvte9 libwv2-1c2 python-cairo python-gconf python-gdbm > python-glade2 python-gst0.10 > python-gtk2 python-gtkhtml2 python-launchpad-integration python-numeric > python-pyorbit python-sexy > python-vte scrollkeeper sgml-data software-properties-gtk synaptic > The following packages have been kept back: > kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 kdepimlibs5 > The following packages will be upgraded: > kdelibs5-data kdepimlibs-data libdb4.4 libsoprano4 tzdata > 5 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 63 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > Need to get 0B/4880kB of archives. After unpacking 131MB will be freed. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n > > > Why does it want to remove KOffice? I dont want that to happen. > > My / etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: > > # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ > gutsy main restricted > # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to > # newer versions of the distribution. > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted > > ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the > ## distribution. > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main > restricted > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu > ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to > ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in > ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security > ## team. > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe main restricted > multiverse > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu > ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to > ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in > ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu > ## security team. > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' > ## repository. > ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as > ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes > ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. > ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review > ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. > deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted > universe multiverse > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main > restricted universe multiverse > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's > ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is > ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu > ## users. > deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner > # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security universe main > multiverse restricted > deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe main > multiverse restricted > # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free > > > /Thomas Many of your repositories have been disabled, probably due to some temporary problem with the servers you are using You can delete all the lines with the message "# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:" and you will also need to remove the "#" from all the lines that begin with "deb", as well as those with "deb-src" if you need access to the source packages. Then updating/upgrading should be fixed. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 12 13:48:31 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:48:31 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka8sep at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 14:10:00 2008 From: ka8sep at sbcglobal.net (TED FISCHER) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:10:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <331152.72275.qm@web82211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How much space is the KDE 4 upgrades taking? I my root drive is 10GB (SDB1) I have a stock instelation + firefox and thunderbird and i only have 2.5 GB left. I may have to resize and borrow some from my Home (SDB2) Thanks Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 14:19:18 2008 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:19:18 +0100 Subject: Aptitude wants to remove KOffice In-Reply-To: <200801120759.12004.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200801120712.20481.tanghus@gmail.com> <200801120759.12004.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200801121519.21281.tanghus@gmail.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 13:59:11 Clay Weber wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008 1:12:17 am Thomas Olsen wrote: > > Hi > > > > When I run: > > > > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > > > > aptitude responds: > > > > tol at hp-laptop:~$ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state information... Done > > Reading extended state information > > Initializing package states... Done > > Building tag database... Done > > The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: > > apturl deborphan docbook-xml gksu gnome-app-install gnome-icon-theme > > karbon kexi kivio kivio-data > > kpresenter kpresenter-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data > > libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common > > libcairo-perl libcroco3 libgail-common libgail18 libgksu2-0 libglade2-0 > > libglib-perl > > libgnome2-canvas-perl libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl > > libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common > > libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common > > libgtk2-perl libgtkhtml2-0 libgtop2-7 > > libgtop2-common liblaunchpad-integration0 libpqxx-2.6.9 librsvg2-2 > > librsvg2-common libscrollkeeper0 > > libvte-common libvte9 libwv2-1c2 python-cairo python-gconf python-gdbm > > python-glade2 python-gst0.10 > > python-gtk2 python-gtkhtml2 python-launchpad-integration python-numeric > > python-pyorbit python-sexy > > python-vte scrollkeeper sgml-data software-properties-gtk synaptic > > The following packages have been kept back: > > kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 kdepimlibs5 > > The following packages will be upgraded: > > kdelibs5-data kdepimlibs-data libdb4.4 libsoprano4 tzdata > > 5 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 63 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > > Need to get 0B/4880kB of archives. After unpacking 131MB will be freed. > > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n > > > > > > Why does it want to remove KOffice? I dont want that to happen. > > > > My / etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: > > > > # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ > > gutsy main restricted > > # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to > > # newer versions of the distribution. > > > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted > > > > ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the > > ## distribution. > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main > > restricted > > > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the > > Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy > > yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that > > software in ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the > > Ubuntu security ## team. > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe main restricted > > multiverse > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the > > Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy > > yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that > > software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the > > Ubuntu ## security team. > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse > > > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' > > ## repository. > > ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as > > ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it > > includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful > > features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT > > receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. > > deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted > > universe multiverse > > # deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main > > restricted universe multiverse > > > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's > > ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is > > ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu > > ## users. > > deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner > > # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner > > > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main > > restricted # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse > > # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: > > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security universe main > > multiverse restricted > > deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe main > > multiverse restricted > > # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse > > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free > > > > > > /Thomas > > Many of your repositories have been disabled, probably due to some > temporary problem with the servers you are using > > You can delete all the lines with the message > "# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:" > and you will also need to remove the "#" from all the lines that begin > with "deb", as well as those with "deb-src" if you need access to the > source packages. Oops - didn't notice those lines. Must pay more attention. > Then updating/upgrading should be fixed. Thanks. > > -- > Clay Weber > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://claydoh.com > http://emacdogsports.com From lists at ptfd.org Sat Jan 12 14:42:43 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:42:43 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801120640.10154.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801112316.18789.lists@ptfd.org> <200801120640.10154.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200801120942.43952.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 12 January 2008 06:40:09 am David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 11:16:18 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > On Friday 11 January 2008 10:18:32 pm David McGlone wrote: > > > On Friday 11 January 2008 4:22:42 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: > > > > >On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: > > > > >> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: > > > > >> > El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: > > > > >> >> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: > > > > >> >>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > > > >> >>> For instructions see > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> It seems to also be in gutsy-backports now, as it has already > > > > >> >> started downloading here. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sorry I mispoke .. backports just had an update to one kde4 lib > > > > >> package to 4.0.0. I'm now following the download instuctions from > > > > >> above. > > > > >> > > > > >> regards, > > > > > > > > > >I just installed KDE 4. First impression: Very nice! The looks of it > > > > > are so much more crisper and the colors are beautiful. > > > > > > > > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the > > > > 4.0 propaganda as yet. > > > > > > I'm still using Kontact. So I'm not sure. > > > > KDEPIM apps did not make the 4.0 release. > > it's from my install of 3.5.8 alongside 4.0. > Sorry, I was unclear, I was replying to the original that there werent any 4.0 PIM apps yet. I as well am running the 3.5.8 PIM stuff in 4.0, Though I am considering trying th 4.0 betas.. Mike From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Jan 12 15:10:50 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:10:50 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <4788D87A.6030206@free.fr> I guess you need time to jump ??? lol I am using kde4 for two months now... True there is a lot of nuisances But the final on kubuntu hardy 64 bist is quiete usable :) I am sure in a couple of years kde4 will have pass over kde3 :) Thanks kde4 teams ... I stoped vista which is really a rubbish compare to kde4 even with coreduo and 2 Gb RAM :) Fred Schaer a écrit : > > > Terence Simpson a écrit : >> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >> For instructions see >> >> RocK on! >> >> Terence >> >> >> > Hmm, I tried for about 2 hour, and was... disappointed. > > - I was damn unable to create a launch icon on the desktop !!! I could > create a standard icon "widget", but I could not change the icon > itself, nor could I give it a command line to launch... Can we put > other things then widgets on the desktop ?? I can't change the Desktop > icone size, and since I only have one, I like it beiing BIG :'( > > - tried to run kde4 inside Xephyr/KDE3 by running << (Xephyr -screen > 1280x1024 :1&) && export DISPLAY=:1 && /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde && > export DISPLAY=:0 >> : there, I see the desktop icon I have in KDE3, > but I also see a trash.dektop file that I don't see in KDE3. weird. > File is in ~/Desktop thought... When I click on it, I have an error > about malfomed URL : trash:/ . > > - Widgets : why are there such thick borders on those widgets ? That's > horrible, looks like vista. The "get new widgets" button it's always > greyed - is this normal ? > > - fonts : I feel reading text is painfull : maybe it's because of the > dirty grey, or because of the fonts, but I feel KDE3's fonts are much > more readable. I'm actually looking at Dolphin both in Kde4 and Kde3 : > i really feel latest is better. > > screenshot is here > > (http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9292/dolphinkde4vskde3qt3.png) > > I think I found a way to enhance this, and it is by forcing fonts DPI > to 96 in "Computer > system setting KDE4 > Fonts". I also changed > those fonts that were at 8px to 9px. > > - Kmenu : it looks like it's as unusable as Vista's one. Fortunately, > we are allowed to keep an old style one. But is is not as polished as > the Kmenu I've got in KDE3 : maybe it's because in the actual one, > I've got this nice theme/picture on the left ? Also, I can't get the > icons in that standard menu as big as in KDE3. This standard Kmenu > also displays artifacts when openning submenus... > > This is it for now, I hope all the anoyances we've all already seen > are gone soon in a maintenance release :] > I'll try to report all this at bugs.kde.org, as suggested ... > > Best wishes, > Fred > > P.S : by the way : I got Kde4 crashing when trying to logout from the > xephyr session From kfulks at knology.net Sat Jan 12 15:33:04 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:33:04 -0600 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> Stew Schneider wrote: > Box A is running as a file server, on Dapper, if I recall correctly. Box > B (in the same office) is running Gutsy with a Gnome desktop (sorry!). I > want Box B to access some shares from Box A. > > That shouldn't be too hard, should it? Well, I've made it pretty hard. > Can someone tell me where I'm screwing up? > > On Box B: I click Places|Browsing and get nowhere. It will show the > server, but clicking it reports that it cannot open any of the files. > The account from which I'm running on Box A exists on Box B, and at > least one of the shares is 777. > > So, I connect to the shares via ssh, and I can see the shares and the > files. If I double click a document, OpenOffice tries to open it, but > then throws a dialog saying User: mike and asks for the password. No > matter what we enter, the dialog returns, now with no User field, still > begging for a password. > > On the other hand, if I simply drag the file to the desktop and double > click it, OOo opens it fine. > > Why can't OpenOffice open the file "where it sits" on Box A? Permissions > are: > > rwxr_xr_x mike:staff > > stew > > First if you are doing Linux to Linux, I would use NFS instead of Samba to do the networking. If you want everything to happen automatically there are a few technologies that you might want to look into. First look into NIS for your passwords (NIS is a kind of domain authentication for Unix and has been around for a couple of decades now, it used to be called YP or YellowPages). The file server could also be your NIS server and then your passwords would stay the same between the two machines. NFS for your sharing of drive space is easy to setup when the username/userid's match between the two machines. Then you could look at autofs on the "client" machine so that the drive space would mount on-demand and unmount when not needed. As far as I know, OOo doesn't under stand "fish" (files over secure shell). I have tried that in the past, but always returned to NFS or Samba. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From edwin7 at web.de Sat Jan 12 15:37:07 2008 From: edwin7 at web.de (Edwin Sendjaja) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:37:07 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1200152227.5818.9.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> KDE 4.0.0 sooooo buggyyyyyy and complicate!! 1. open AMSN, bang! monitor black! 2. no setting for sound? 3 .keyboard setting default?click change, and only default on the list. not other 4. on K-menu. Systemsetting has no icon 5. some of wigdet cant be moved 6. no setting to change the size of the Tray (e.g. Clock). My clock is too big like i am blind 7. why do i need to login as root, when i go to adept manager? (which i have to solve this using sudo passwd root) 8. my Keyboard doenst work full as in KDE3. (play stop volume button doenst work) i just want to say, it's not worth it to install it now. better wait for the next release. I was just wondering, why they've released so buggy edition. edwin On Sa, 2008-01-12 at 14:48 +0100, Fred Schaer wrote: > > > Terence Simpson a écrit : > > > Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) > > For instructions see <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php> > > > > RocK on! > > > > Terence > > > > > > > > Hmm, I tried for about 2 hour, and was... disappointed. > > - I was damn unable to create a launch icon on the desktop !!! I could > create a standard icon "widget", but I could not change the icon > itself, nor could I give it a command line to launch... Can we put > other things then widgets on the desktop ?? I can't change the Desktop > icone size, and since I only have one, I like it beiing BIG :'( > > - tried to run kde4 inside Xephyr/KDE3 by running << (Xephyr -screen > 1280x1024 :1&) && export DISPLAY=:1 && /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde && > export DISPLAY=:0 >> : there, I see the desktop icon I have in KDE3, > but I also see a trash.dektop file that I don't see in KDE3. weird. > File is in ~/Desktop thought... When I click on it, I have an error > about malfomed URL : trash:/ . > > - Widgets : why are there such thick borders on those widgets ? That's > horrible, looks like vista. The "get new widgets" button it's always > greyed - is this normal ? > > - fonts : I feel reading text is painfull : maybe it's because of the > dirty grey, or because of the fonts, but I feel KDE3's fonts are much > more readable. I'm actually looking at Dolphin both in Kde4 and Kde3 : > i really feel latest is better. > > screenshot is here > (http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9292/dolphinkde4vskde3qt3.png) > > I think I found a way to enhance this, and it is by forcing fonts DPI > to 96 in "Computer > system setting KDE4 > Fonts". I also changed > those fonts that were at 8px to 9px. > > - Kmenu : it looks like it's as unusable as Vista's one. Fortunately, > we are allowed to keep an old style one. But is is not as polished as > the Kmenu I've got in KDE3 : maybe it's because in the actual one, > I've got this nice theme/picture on the left ? Also, I can't get the > icons in that standard menu as big as in KDE3. This standard Kmenu > also displays artifacts when openning submenus... > > This is it for now, I hope all the anoyances we've all already seen > are gone soon in a maintenance release :] > I'll try to report all this at bugs.kde.org, as suggested ... > > Best wishes, > Fred > > P.S : by the way : I got Kde4 crashing when trying to logout from the > xephyr session -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 16:15:58 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:15:58 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <331152.72275.qm@web82211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <331152.72275.qm@web82211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4788E7BE.70400@stdin.me.uk> TED FISCHER wrote: > How much space is the KDE 4 upgrades taking? I my root drive is 10GB (SDB1) I have a stock instelation + firefox and thunderbird and i only have 2.5 GB left. > > I may have to resize and borrow some from my Home (SDB2) > > Thanks > Ted > > Less that that. The base install should be no more than 190MB. Terence From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 16:19:04 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:04 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 4:59:24 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re:KDE 4.0.0! >> From: Gene Heskett >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> Date: 01/11/2008 02:22 PM >> >> >>> On Friday 11 January 2008, David McGlone wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday 11 January 2008 10:35:34 am Paul S wrote: >>>> >>>>> Eduardo P. Román O. said the following on 01/11/2008 09:58 AM: >>>>> >>>>>> El Friday 11 January 2008 11:24:37 Paul S escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Terence Simpson said the following on 01/11/2008 06:52 AM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, it's finally here and ready to install :) >>>>>>>> For instructions see >>>>>>>> > > > > Well I got home a while ago and finally got a chance to look at kde 4, I have > noticed that it is harder to use konq as a file manager, because I cannot > find any way to "show hidden files" in konq. But it's there in dolphin. > Anyone know anything about this? > > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? Terence From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 16:13:57 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:13:57 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <79cc94fa0801111908j778b810dl116a2e75d7b2e793@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801111405n19edcdf6m3a819eec98eba454@mail.gmail.com> <4787EA9E.5090507@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801111908j778b810dl116a2e75d7b2e793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4788E745.7030902@stdin.me.uk> Gert Gast wrote: > But i do get the whole KDE 4.0 lot in Adept notifier on Dapper; > how do I clean that out?? > > Gert > As I've said, KDE4 is _not_ available on Dapper, only Gutsy and Hardy. Terence From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 12 16:13:38 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:13:38 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801120024r70bf6c54re9a9df0803e5876e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801120024r70bf6c54re9a9df0803e5876e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > That was certainly not anti-American drivel. It was factual > observation, with no intention of insulting. Actually, I'm not sure > how you could have been offended. What, specifically, was offensive? I have real difficulty understanding that myself. I actually sat here for two hours writing and thinking, digging deep into myself in as objective a way as possible to try to root out that answer, and explain it in clear, rational terms. I don't have an answer, but I still want to punch you in the head, and I don't think I've ever wanted to punch anyone in the head before. What makes a man want to punch another man in the head? I can't answer that question either. I'm perplexed, but I think I have traded my mysterious and inexplicable rage for genuine curiosity about what makes the inside of my own head tick. Why not let's just end it there, and go in peace then. Sorry I told you to go fuck yourself, and try to be more careful with "factual observations" in the future, because apparently you never know when you're going to accidentally provoke some guy on the other side of the planet into wanting to punch you in the head for no clearly defined reason. Sorry too, everybody, that I have been unable to avoid this mysterious compulsion to work so hard at making a complete ass of myself in public over the last couple of days. -- D. Michael McIntyre From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 16:16:56 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:16:56 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200152227.5818.9.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> <1200152227.5818.9.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> Message-ID: <4788E7F8.8040804@stdin.me.uk> For those of you complaining that KDE4 is buggy etc. May I point you towards: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 Terence From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 16:50:39 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:50:39 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu Meeting Minutes (12/1/08) Message-ID: Today's meeting minutes are now available, they can be found at the same place as always (as kubuntu-meeting-20080112): http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ Next meeting is planned for 16th of January 23:00 UTC. Please see this page for more info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Jonathan From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Jan 12 16:50:37 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:50:37 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E7F8.8040804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <1200152227.5818.9.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <4788E7F8.8040804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801121150.37354.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > For those of you complaining that KDE4 is buggy etc. May I point you > towards: > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 It's not buggy at all. They are unintended features. From ka8sep at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 17:11:30 2008 From: ka8sep at sbcglobal.net (TED FISCHER) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:11:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>TED FISCHER wrote: >> How much space is the KDE 4 upgrades taking? I my root drive is 10GB (SDB1) I have a stock instelation + firefox and thunderbird and i only have 2.5 GB left. >> >> I may have to resize and borrow some from my Home (SDB2) >> >> Thanks >> Ted >> >> >Less that that. The base install should be no more than 190MB. > >Terence Thank you, Terence >> Well I got home a while ago and finally got a chance to look at kde 4, I have >> noticed that it is harder to use konq as a file manager, because I cannot >> find any way to "show hidden files" in konq. But it's there in dolphin. >> Anyone know anything about this? >> >> >Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did >you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? > >Terence Terrence, Before Dolphin came out with 7.10 Konq was both a file manager and a web browser! and it worked well. for some unkown reason, to most of us, they created Dolphin to be a File manager. they must have striped some of the functionality out of Konq for KDE4. Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:28:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:28:02 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801120024r70bf6c54re9a9df0803e5876e@mail.gmail.com> <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801120928k4706d556qf5515498f471792c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > That was certainly not anti-American drivel. It was factual > > observation, with no intention of insulting. Actually, I'm not sure > > how you could have been offended. What, specifically, was offensive? > > I have real difficulty understanding that myself. I actually sat here for two > hours writing and thinking, digging deep into myself in as objective a way as > possible to try to root out that answer, and explain it in clear, rational > terms. That's a start. Seriously, if you identify the offensive sentence I'd like to know. Truth is, my bluntness and non-sugar coating of thoughts has offended people in the past. If I can know what is considered offensive in English writing then I can learn to sugar-coat my ideas such that they will not offend. > I don't have an answer, but I still want to punch you in the head, and I don't > think I've ever wanted to punch anyone in the head before. What makes a man > want to punch another man in the head? I can't answer that question either. I have a smug reply to that, but I'll hold my [tounge||fingers]. Let's just be happy that we're settling our differences in writing, not punching. > I'm perplexed, but I think I have traded my mysterious and inexplicable rage > for genuine curiosity about what makes the inside of my own head tick. > > Why not let's just end it there, and go in peace then. Excellent. Peace it is. Thank you. > Sorry I told you to go > fuck yourself, and try to be more careful with "factual observations" in the > future, because apparently you never know when you're going to accidentally > provoke some guy on the other side of the planet into wanting to punch you in > the head for no clearly defined reason. I will try to identify where I can be more sensitive to other's offenses. Like said way back in this thread, it may be a cultural thing. In Israel, we are used to having our neighboring countries punch us in the head. However, we do not take that same violent attitude towards them in return. Nor do I with you. > Sorry too, everybody, that I have been unable to avoid this mysterious > compulsion to work so hard at making a complete ass of myself in public over > the last couple of days. You didn't make an ass of yourself. You expressed your offense at my words in the way that you know how. There may be others who got offended, yet did not have the "truckload of balls" to stand up for themselves. You stood up for them as well. I hope that at this point, it is known that I meant no offense (and I'm still interested in knowing which is the offensive sentence), and that no hard feelings are held from either side. That said, the name "K3B" has got to go! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 17:39:45 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:39:45 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> TED FISCHER wrote: > > Terrence, > > Before Dolphin came out with 7.10 Konq was both a file manager and a web browser! and it worked well. for some unkown reason, to most of us, they created Dolphin to be a File manager. they must have striped some of the functionality out of Konq for KDE4. > > > Ted > > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of Dolphin to manage files. The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why can't I use Firefox to move a file from one place to another", the answer is to use a file manager instead. Terence From lists at ptfd.org Sat Jan 12 16:14:12 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:14:12 -0500 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) Message-ID: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> OK I have been playing around with rc2 etc for a while. I uninstalled it scrubbed ~/.kde4 and installed 4.0. First impressions are good, very different from 3.5.8 but I am always open to learning to do things new ways. And it is really great colors etc... and at least my installation is VERY fast! I do need a little help in a few areas at this time tho. 1. attempting to run anything that requires kdesu wont work as kdesu is apparently broken. I can make them work by starting a konsole and running them with kdesudo, but this is not that great. How do we fix this? 2. If I add an app to the favorites in teh menu, when I reboot they are gone. 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging in? How do we restart apps like that when logging in? 4. battery plasmoid only shows the battery accurately on my Dell D820 when I select to always show both batteries, I only have one, the other shows blank, but takes up the space. 5. KDEPIM I realize was not ready, but can we get a repo with the betas? I tried them with the 3.97 rc that we had a while back and they were not that bad, I found some things I liked. Well more later but these things are my really only gripes now, other than that it seems to be working well enough that I rarely go back and log into 3.5.8. Mike From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:53:07 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:53:07 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801121953.08037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of > Dolphin to manage files. How do I draw a broken heart emoticon ? :( I just can't bleev they'd butcher perfection. I really hope newer versions of Dolphin bring back tabs and splits and view profiles -- at a minimum. \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:51:15 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:51:15 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00801120951h147630d3jfa682668171aa7c6@mail.gmail.com> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did > you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? > > Terence Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for KDE4. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:53:00 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:53:00 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E7F8.8040804@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> <1200152227.5818.9.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <4788E7F8.8040804@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00801120953g4648f556kf74c04f1c363bee2@mail.gmail.com> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > For those of you complaining that KDE4 is buggy etc. May I point you > towards: > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 > > Terence > That is very important, and should be much more prominent. Like, on the download page! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:57:34 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:34 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2008 4:19 PM, Terence Simpson wrote: > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did > you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? > > Terence > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Funny that seen as Konqueror's webpage describes it as "*Konqueror* is the file manager for the K Desktop Environment." So yes the file manager thats also a browser should do what a file manager should. 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 01:29:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:29:12 -0400 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> <1760508.5xyMfPGfqS@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801112018.35604.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <4998819.rrnrNnF4A6@cedar.serverforest.com> andrew wrote: > On Thursday 10 January 2008 21:25, Derek Broughton wrote: >> I've no idea what this means, but KMail doesn't have any >> particular options for watched threads. > > Click on the message, right click, watch thread. That makes a thread "watched" - I didn't say kmail doesn't have the ability to watch threads. All that does is let you mark a thread as watched, and I would expect to be able to filter based on it, but that's all. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 01:42:47 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:42:47 -0400 Subject: Wine Failure bug report References: <4785A725.8090607@optusnet.com.au> <4785A8DE.7070505@stdin.me.uk> <15610450.EIqmyVyifP@cedar.serverforest.com> <47869A6E.6090802@stdin.me.uk> <4924467.4VK7Au8Z5R@cedar.serverforest.com> <4787B86C.1000508@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <1753399.zGN5MrsUU0@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > libc6-i686 is the optimised c-library for i686, not a good idea to purge > that! It's not a "bad" idea. It's completely unnecessary, it's simply optimized. If you're getting errors in the optimized library, it's _always_ a good idea to check that they don't also happen with the unoptimized library. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 01:50:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:50:28 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111604.34599.jpatrick@kubuntu.org> <200801111243.30527.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2438709.4dpn4fBcmj@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008 3:43 PM, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > >> How do you do to install ?? > > > Hi, > I and others have explained this to you now several times. Please read > the replys and also please stop top posting on replys it makes things hard > to follow. Not to mention the 20 line stupid disclaimer after a 1 line post... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 01:59:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:59:20 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4230036.0kzxzVXeoQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > Like said, K3B specifically is not memorable. >> >> Perhaps it's a cultural thing - I've never had a problem since the first >> time I used it. Nobody else here seems to. > > It might be. Are you American? From what I've seen, Americans > typically do not know the meanings of their own first and last names, I'm not, but I'm through discussing this with you if you want to make it personal -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 01:58:04 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:58:04 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> <20080111170605.a175f165.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <1695269.PGupnMRCXQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Well, I could, except that I have seen many complaints about and > problems with Gutsy on the list, so I am a bit wary. That is why I am > considering the jump from Edgy to Hardy. LOL. You think there will be _fewer_ complaints about Hardy?? Gutsy has been the cleanest upgrade ever, imo. Of course there are lots of complaints about Gutsy - the only people who comment on an upgrade are the ones who have problems - but more people complained about Edgy. There's no safe upgrade path from Edgy to Hardy, and it's sure to be at least as problematic as Gutsy, anyway. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 02:03:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:03:10 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801090025.44094.nbensa@gmail.com> <47876958.8060900@knology.net> <200801110909.30026.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1948574.zWTCrzqIsm@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > ROTFLMAO! And it also points out the absurdity of this whole thread in a > very humorous manner.. The _thread's_ not absurd. I agree that dissing a distro, because you don't like the names is absurd, but naming conventions - like any convention - are important and discussing what makes a good name is not wasted. -- derek From stew.schneider at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 19:29:06 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:29:06 -0500 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> Message-ID: <47891502.1090509@gmail.com> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > First if you are doing Linux to Linux, I would use NFS instead of Samba > to do the networking. I've had a little time to play with it, and here's what I found: 1. I'm networking Linux to Linux, using an ssh connection, rather than Samba 2. I can drag an OpenOffice document to my desktop from the remote machine and open it 3. I can open a non-OpenOffice document in gedit just by clicking on it 4. If I click on an OpenOffice document, I get a dialog asking for my password on the IP of the remote machine. That password is the same as the password/username on the local machine. The dialog refuses to accept the password, and returns, this time without the username noted. 5. Clicking cancel gets me a "General Internet Error" dialog from OpenOffice. > If you want everything to happen automatically > there are a few technologies that you might want to look into. First > look into NIS for your passwords (NIS is a kind of domain authentication > for Unix and has been around for a couple of decades now, it used to be > called YP or YellowPages). The file server could also be your NIS > server and then your passwords would stay the same between the two > machines. NFS for your sharing of drive space is easy to setup when the > username/userid's match between the two machines. Then you could look > at autofs on the "client" machine so that the drive space would mount > on-demand and unmount when not needed. > Since neither machine "travels" (both are Desktops) I'd just as soon have a mount point in fstab, but for the life of me I can't get that going. Do you have a link to a good tutorial? Thanks! stew From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Jan 12 20:00:33 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:00:33 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801121500.33519.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 12:57:34 pm Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 12, 2008 4:19 PM, Terence Simpson wrote: > > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did > > you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? > > > > Terence > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Funny that seen as Konqueror's webpage describes it as "*Konqueror* is the > file manager for the K > Desktop Environment." > So yes the file manager thats also a browser should do what a file manager > should. Especially as Konqueror was there long before Dolphin. > > Marty. The View hidden files is currently broken. I have filed a bug report to http://bugs.kde.com as suggested by a KDE dev. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155565 A workaround for this I found is to open Dolphin, navigate to the directory desired, change view settings from there, then open Konqueror and go to that folder, or if it is already open in that directory, navigate somewhere else, and then go back. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Jan 12 20:07:42 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:07:42 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801121953.08037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801121953.08037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121507.42946.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 12:53:07 pm Donn wrote: > > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of > > Dolphin to manage files. > > How do I draw a broken heart emoticon ? > > :( > > I just can't bleev they'd butcher perfection. I really hope newer versions > of Dolphin bring back tabs and splits and view profiles -- at a minimum. > > \d > -- > Fonty Python and other dev news at: > http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ Konqueror still has tabs, view profiles, split views, and all that (assuming you meant Konq - Dolphin never had tabs), just a few things not wired up right yet -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Sat Jan 12 20:12:36 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:12:36 +0100 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) In-Reply-To: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801122112.36371.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> lørdag den 12. Januar 2008 kvad Michael W. Holdeman: [About KDE4] > 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging in? > How do we restart apps like that when logging in? I have not installed KDE4, but never the less... In KDE3 there is a folder ~/.kde/Autostart/ in which one can put thing one would like to - well - autostart on login. Has that been removed from KDE4? Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From lists at ptfd.org Sat Jan 12 20:32:28 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:32:28 -0500 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) In-Reply-To: <200801122112.36371.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> <200801122112.36371.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <200801121532.28423.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 12 January 2008 03:12:36 pm Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > lørdag den 12. Januar 2008 kvad Michael W. Holdeman: > [About KDE4] > > > 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging in? > > How do we restart apps like that when logging in? > > I have not installed KDE4, but never the less... > In KDE3 there is a folder ~/.kde/Autostart/ in which one can put thing > one would like to - well - autostart on login. > > Has that been removed from KDE4? If it isn't removed it is moved, or just absent and needs to be created. \ From kfulks at knology.net Sat Jan 12 21:05:12 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:05:12 -0600 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <47891502.1090509@gmail.com> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> <47891502.1090509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47892B88.3020607@knology.net> Stew Schneider wrote: > Kelly L. Fulks wrote: >> First if you are doing Linux to Linux, I would use NFS instead of Samba >> to do the networking. > I've had a little time to play with it, and here's what I found: > > 1. I'm networking Linux to Linux, using an ssh connection, rather than Samba > 2. I can drag an OpenOffice document to my desktop from the remote > machine and open it > 3. I can open a non-OpenOffice document in gedit just by clicking on it > 4. If I click on an OpenOffice document, I get a dialog asking for my > password on the IP of the remote machine. That password is the same as > the password/username on the local machine. The dialog refuses to accept > the password, and returns, this time without the username noted. > 5. Clicking cancel gets me a "General Internet Error" dialog from > OpenOffice. >> If you want everything to happen automatically >> there are a few technologies that you might want to look into. First >> look into NIS for your passwords (NIS is a kind of domain authentication >> for Unix and has been around for a couple of decades now, it used to be >> called YP or YellowPages). The file server could also be your NIS >> server and then your passwords would stay the same between the two >> machines. NFS for your sharing of drive space is easy to setup when the >> username/userid's match between the two machines. Then you could look >> at autofs on the "client" machine so that the drive space would mount >> on-demand and unmount when not needed. >> > Since neither machine "travels" (both are Desktops) I'd just as soon > have a mount point in fstab, but for the life of me I can't get that > going. Do you have a link to a good tutorial? > > Thanks! > > stew > > I have been using NFS for over 15 years, so I haven't looked at any tutorials in a while. However, a quick google search turned up this one that seems to cover the topic pretty well http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/network_administration_guides/NFS_tutorial/index.html Basically you have to install the nfs server on the file server. Then you have to export the directory structure that you want to remotely mount. Once that is completed, you should be able to put an entry into the fstab that will mount the file system on the client machine. The only way that I could get OOo (version 2.2 on Fiesty) to open a document using SSH was to enter the fish:// URL into the "file->open" dialog. However, I was then presented a message that stated that the fish protocol was only partially supported and that a local copy would be made and I could not save the file over the fish URL either. However, NFS works flawlessly. My home directory is on a file server that is shared between all the Linux systems here (home network). I hope that this helps. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:11:18 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:11:18 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <4230036.0kzxzVXeoQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <4230036.0kzxzVXeoQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801121311j32ecf8fdn7fb994f8357abcf1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > Like said, K3B specifically is not memorable. > >> > >> Perhaps it's a cultural thing - I've never had a problem since the first > >> time I used it. Nobody else here seems to. > > > > It might be. Are you American? From what I've seen, Americans > > typically do not know the meanings of their own first and last names, > > I'm not, but I'm through discussing this with you if you want to make it > personal I don't mean to make anything personal, nor offend anyone. You will see by reading the remainder of the thread that McIntyre had also taken offense at the question, that we had discussed the matter, and that I had learned not to generalize. I apologized for the generalization, which was made with no intend to offend. I stand by the observation, however, I understand now that generalizations are offensive to some people and I will try to avoid them. Please try to look past the generalization and understand the meaning of the message. You had suggested that the problem has it's roots in cultural differences. I supported your argument with an observation. To confirm or deny my generalization, today I asked two American friends of mine what are the meanings of the names "Misisipi", "Minisota", "Colorado", and "Washington". These were just four place names that I picked at random. They both knew that Washington was the first president of the United States, but one did not know that he was an army general (I happen to know that for some reason). Neither of them knew the original meaning of the other three (and neither do I). If the generalization is outdated then I'm happy to know that, but at least in the cases that I've been able to check, it is still valid. No offense intended, and I should mention that of the three Israelis that I asked today, none knew the meaning of the name Haifa. Though that is the only city that I could think of that I personally do not know the meaning of the name. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From stew.schneider at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:29:23 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:29:23 -0500 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <47892B88.3020607@knology.net> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> <47891502.1090509@gmail.com> <47892B88.3020607@knology.net> Message-ID: <47893133.40806@gmail.com> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > I have been using NFS for over 15 years, so I haven't looked at any > tutorials in a while. However, a quick google search turned up this one > that seems to cover the topic pretty well > > http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/network_administration_guides/NFS_tutorial/index.html This looks to be just the ticket. A quick glance seems to indicate that entries in /etc/export have to include static IP's (and no, I haven't read the whole manual). If that's so, I'll have some work to do with the DSL when I get back from school next week. I think we have the solution, though. Many thanks. stew From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 12 22:01:12 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:01:12 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801120928k4706d556qf5515498f471792c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801120928k4706d556qf5515498f471792c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > That's a start. Seriously, if you identify the offensive sentence I'd > like to know. Truth is, my bluntness and non-sugar coating of thoughts > has offended people in the past. If I can know what is considered > offensive in English writing then I can learn to sugar-coat my ideas > such that they will not offend. It's not an offensive sentence so much as an offensive comment in general, but I genuinely don't understand why I feel such a visceral reaction. I can't disagree that people in my country generally have no idea what names mean. Why, a lot of them can't even spell names correctly, and you have to look no further than my own father for that one. He named me, but can never remember if it's Micheal or Michael. (The disturbing thing is that Micheal isn't showing up in red, so there must be a lot of guys out there named Micheal, probably with sisters named Reneè.) I know what my names mean, and lot of other related linguistic trivia, but I am definitely not a typical American. I know that to be true because I can think back on a lifetime of having beautiful women dismiss me with a "You're weird." -- D. Michael McIntyre From gert.gast at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 22:39:59 2008 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:39:59 +1100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E745.7030902@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110850k40e115c7ub319559030274254@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801110922j7dd1df21kb9e0e60b6646cc0a@mail.gmail.com> <4787C53D.9000102@sbcglobal.net> <4787E59F.8000900@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801111405n19edcdf6m3a819eec98eba454@mail.gmail.com> <4787EA9E.5090507@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801111908j778b810dl116a2e75d7b2e793@mail.gmail.com> <4788E745.7030902@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <79cc94fa0801121439t362d9a38v858b181e4cd61c22@mail.gmail.com> Well now what do I do? My adept notifier on dapper lists the whole stackm so for example one of ca 20 items is kdebase-bin Section: kde Installed Size: 3016K Maintainer: Ubuintu Core Developers Candidate Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 Installed Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.2 and it says upradable. Now is that KDE 4? why is it on my Dapper notifier? Should I remove it from my notifier? How? Request removal? or request purging? I´m confused.. Cheers, Gert On Jan 13, 2008 3:13 AM, Terence Simpson wrote: > Gert Gast wrote: > > But i do get the whole KDE 4.0 lot in Adept notifier on Dapper; > > how do I clean that out?? > > > > Gert > > > As I've said, KDE4 is _not_ available on Dapper, only Gutsy and Hardy. > > Terence > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Dr Gert Gast Senior Lecturer, SAE Institute Byron Bay SAE Institute World Headquarters 373-391 Ewingsdale Road Byron Bay NSW 2481 Australia +61 (0)2 6639 6000 | Phone +61 (0)2 6685 6133 | Fax www.sae.edu | Web ggast at sae.edu | Mail National Provider Code: 0273 CRICOS Provider Code: NSW 00312F CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION : This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ____________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfulks at knology.net Sat Jan 12 22:50:26 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:50:26 -0600 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <47893133.40806@gmail.com> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> <47891502.1090509@gmail.com> <47892B88.3020607@knology.net> <47893133.40806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47894432.8000908@knology.net> Stew Schneider wrote: > Kelly L. Fulks wrote: >> I have been using NFS for over 15 years, so I haven't looked at any >> tutorials in a while. However, a quick google search turned up this one >> that seems to cover the topic pretty well >> >> http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/network_administration_guides/NFS_tutorial/index.html > This looks to be just the ticket. A quick glance seems to indicate that > entries in /etc/export have to include static IP's (and no, I haven't > read the whole manual). If that's so, I'll have some work to do with the > DSL when I get back from school next week. > > I think we have the solution, though. Many thanks. > > stew > > > Be careful about using NFS with no protection between you and the Internet. It is an insecure protocol in that it doesn't deal with authentication. I would only run NFS behind a firewall. Be sure to read section 6 of the How-To mentioned above before using NFS on an unprotected network. I also thought of another question concerning the password prompt when using the fish:// protocol. Do you have a private/public key that is used for ssh access to the remote machine? If so, did you try the password to your private key? -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Jan 12 23:01:13 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:01:13 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <79cc94fa0801121439t362d9a38v858b181e4cd61c22@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788E745.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801121439t362d9a38v858b181e4cd61c22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 5:39:59 pm Gert Gast wrote: > Well now what do I do? My adept notifier on dapper lists the whole stackm > so for example one of ca 20 items is > kdebase-bin > Section: kde > Installed Size: 3016K > Maintainer: Ubuintu Core Developers > Candidate Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 > Installed Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.2 > > and it says upradable. Now is that KDE 4? why is it on my Dapper notifier? > Should I remove it from my notifier? How? Request removal? or request > purging? > > I´m confused.. > > Cheers, Gert > > On Jan 13, 2008 3:13 AM, Terence Simpson wrote: > > Gert Gast wrote: > > > But i do get the whole KDE 4.0 lot in Adept notifier on Dapper; > > > how do I clean that out?? > > > > > > Gert > > > > As I've said, KDE4 is _not_ available on Dapper, only Gutsy and Hardy. > > > > Terence > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in package versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 for you, which is correct for dapper. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 23:14:33 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:14:33 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801120951h147630d3jfa682668171aa7c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4787E6BC.3060800@lemmons.name> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801120951h147630d3jfa682668171aa7c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478949D9.4020605@stdin.me.uk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did >> you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? >> >> Terence >> > > Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web > browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me > with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for > KDE4. > > Dotan Cohen > No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features. (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for this) Terence From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sat Jan 12 23:18:39 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:18:39 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788E745.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801121439t362d9a38v858b181e4cd61c22@mail.gmail.com> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> Clay Weber wrote: > I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in package > versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 for you, > which is correct for dapper. > An eopch is there to make a lower version number seem to be greater than the one already available, they are added when a version is included but then needs to be replaced with an older one. If you're wondering why every version after has the epoch, it's because once you add an epoch it can't be removed because the epoch version will always be higher. Terence From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Sat Jan 12 23:35:06 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:35:06 +0000 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) In-Reply-To: <4998819.rrnrNnF4A6@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801112018.35604.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> <4998819.rrnrNnF4A6@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801122335.06591.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Saturday 12 Jan 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > That makes a thread "watched" - I didn't say kmail doesn't have the ability > to watch threads. All that does is let you mark a thread as watched, and I > would expect to be able to filter based on it, but that's all. Watch a thread and then at the top right, select status 'Watched' to filter ;) -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sat Jan 12 23:55:30 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:55:30 +1300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788E745.7030902@stdin.me.uk> <79cc94fa0801121439t362d9a38v858b181e4cd61c22@mail.gmail.com> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <1200182130.5894.4.camel@angela> Well I have installed KDE 4.0 on two workstations and a laptop all went fine. One thing I have noticed is that Adept update seems to not know about SUDO and instead insistes on a root password. To get it to work I had to give root a password and updates then worked OK Not being able to use Pidgin is a pain but Kopete works OK so I will use that ------------------- Ron Wilson Write a wise saying and your name will live forever Anonymous -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stew.schneider at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 00:01:59 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:01:59 -0500 Subject: SSH and OOo In-Reply-To: <47894432.8000908@knology.net> References: <4787F368.4030402@gmail.com> <4788DDB0.2010301@knology.net> <47891502.1090509@gmail.com> <47892B88.3020607@knology.net> <47893133.40806@gmail.com> <47894432.8000908@knology.net> Message-ID: <478954F7.9030804@gmail.com> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > Be careful about using NFS with no protection between you and the > Internet. It is an insecure protocol in that it doesn't deal with > authentication. I would only run NFS behind a firewall. Be sure to > read section 6 of the How-To mentioned above before using NFS on an > unprotected network. > We should be in good shape. It's in a locked building, five boxes plus server, behind a router. I still need to deal with hosts.allow and hosts.deny when I get back from school next week, but I am astonished at how well it went with the aid of the howto you referred. > I also thought of another question concerning the password prompt when > using the fish:// protocol. Do you have a private/public key that is > used for ssh access to the remote machine? If so, did you try the > password to your private key? > Don't have a key established. NFS, however, is clearly the right solution for this application. We're a non-profit which provides referral and assistance to the needy. That means we run on hand-me-down boxes, usually encumbered by xp and moving glacially by the time we get them.On stations where Quickbooks don't have to be run, I'm moving them to Ubuntu. The performance pickup is very great. Thing is, I want to introduce as few Linux "eccentricities" as I can, because volunteers and social workers have to be able to run them. The surprising behavior of OpenOffice really bothered me, as it's so counter-intuitive. With the shares mounted as NFS, everything works "like Windows" (except better ;-) ) and they shouldn't have a problem. I'm very grateful for your help here. You done good! stew From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 13 00:04:46 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:04:46 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200182130.5894.4.camel@angela> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <1200182130.5894.4.camel@angela> Message-ID: <200801121904.46300.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:55:30 pm Ron Wilson wrote: > Well I have installed KDE 4.0 on two workstations and a laptop all went > fine. One thing I have noticed is that Adept update seems to not know > about SUDO and instead insistes on a root password. To get it to work I > had to give root a password and updates then worked OK > Not being able to use Pidgin is a pain but Kopete works OK so I will use > that > > > ------------------- > Ron Wilson > > > Write a wise saying and your name will live forever Anonymous If you don't want to mess around with root, try running Adept from alt-f2, a konsole, or run-command dialog : kdesudo adept_manager -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From glen20 at exemail.com.au Sun Jan 13 01:35:58 2008 From: glen20 at exemail.com.au (Glen Cunningham) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:35:58 +1100 Subject: What's in a Name [WAS] Re: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801131235.58190.glen20@exemail.com.au> On Sunday 13 January 2008 04:53, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > That said, the name "K3B" has got to go! > Perhaps "K9P" :-) The open source developers' creed - "If you ain't cuttin' code, you ain't producin'." So things like user documentation and meaningful application names are ignored. Cheers, Glen (WTIC) -- vi vi vi The editor of the beast. From eprosoft at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 02:04:47 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:04:47 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> At last, my experience with 4.0 was and mistake, I go Back wth my Kde 3.5.8 with compiz, it's the best, KDE 4.0 is slow and inestable, crash with frecuency. El Saturday 12 January 2008 20:18:39 Terence Simpson escribió: > Clay Weber wrote: > > I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in > > package versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 > > for you, which is correct for dapper. > > An eopch is there to make a lower version number seem to be greater than > the one already available, they are added when a version is included but > then needs to be replaced with an older one. > If you're wondering why every version after has the epoch, it's because > once you add an epoch it can't be removed because the epoch version will > always be higher. > > Terence -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. 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In-Reply-To: <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > At last, my experience with 4.0 was and mistake, I go Back wth my Kde 3.5.8 > with compiz, it's the best, KDE 4.0 is slow and inestable, crash with > frecuency. > > It's a .0.0 release, did you expect it to be super fast and rock solid? From edwin7 at web.de Sun Jan 13 03:22:21 2008 From: edwin7 at web.de (Edwin Sendjaja) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:22:21 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be beta version. I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super solid. On So, 2008-01-13 at 02:09 +0000, Terence Simpson wrote: > Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > > At last, my experience with 4.0 was and mistake, I go Back wth my Kde 3.5.8 > > with compiz, it's the best, KDE 4.0 is slow and inestable, crash with > > frecuency. > > > > > It's a .0.0 release, did you expect it to be super fast and rock solid? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 03:51:57 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:51:57 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> Message-ID: <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be > beta version. > I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. > Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a > better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super > solid. > > > If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Jan 13 04:54:55 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:54:55 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801120942.43952.lists@ptfd.org> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801120640.10154.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801120942.43952.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801122354.55684.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008 9:42:43 am Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > > > I'm still using Kontact. So I'm not sure. > > > > > > KDEPIM apps did not make the 4.0 release. > > > > it's from my install of 3.5.8 alongside 4.0. > > Sorry, I was unclear, I was replying to the original that there werent any > 4.0 PIM apps yet. I as well am running the 3.5.8 PIM stuff in 4.0, Though I > am considering trying th 4.0 betas.. That's cool. No need to be sorry. If you decide to try the betas let us know your opinions. :-) Hopefully kde 4 will keep the list alive for quite some time. -- David M. From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 04:55:01 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:55:01 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > > Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be > > beta version. > > I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. > > Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a > > better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super > > solid. > > If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then > you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work for M$. Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and over again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't resize, no customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously worried about running it. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Jan 13 04:58:21 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:58:21 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801122358.21757.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008 11:19:04 am Terence Simpson wrote: > > Well I got home a while ago and finally got a chance to look at kde 4, I > > have noticed that it is harder to use konq as a file manager, because I > > cannot find any way to "show hidden files" in konq. But it's there in > > dolphin. Anyone know anything about this? > > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did > you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? LOL man that sounds mean considering Konqueror has always had all the features of a file manager. I never expected the features to be ripped out so suddenly, if at all. -- David M. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 13 05:05:50 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:05:50 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801130005.50541.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of > expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work > for M$. My recollection is that the 3.0 series was just enough of an improvement over 2.2 to make it worth bothering with the buggy upgrade. 3.1 was an incremental improvement, but still plagued with problems, and everything since 3.2 has been an increasingly pointless upgrade. -- D. Michael McIntyre From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Jan 13 05:14:17 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:14:17 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478949D9.4020605@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801120951h147630d3jfa682668171aa7c6@mail.gmail.com> <478949D9.4020605@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801130014.17631.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:14:33 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did > >> you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? > >> > >> Terence > > > > Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web > > browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me > > with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for > > KDE4. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features. > (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for > this) Terence, first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me say RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've been using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a good 6 or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also from what I can see, I believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make more sense if dolphin was using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has been around as a file manager for a long long time. Matter of fact all dolphin is, is a stripped down and re-arranged konqueror with a different name. :-) -- David M. From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Sun Jan 13 05:22:39 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:22:39 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008 23:55:01 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > > Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > > > Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be > > > beta version. > > > I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. > > > Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a > > > better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super > > > solid. > > > > If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then > > you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. > > I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of > expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work > for M$. > > Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy > about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and over > again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't resize, no > customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously worried about > running it. I have to agree here. While I appreciate the effort into KDE4, and I'm sure it'll turn out to be a great piece of work (probably quite soon, KDE is usually pretty quick with updates) I don't think the current stage of KDE4.0 is really something that should be called anything more than beta quality. A final release should be able to run more than 24 hrs w/o crashing, should have all it's components (PIM,KDM) up to date and working, and certainly should have waited until the most anticipated part of it was more than 2 months old (plasma), and had it's features in place. I'm not at all dismayed with the work so far, just that it was rushed to be called RC, and gold. -- | Jason Straight | http://www.SkyCon.net | Yahoo: jasonrstraight | ICQ: 1796276 | MSN: glock21-45cal at hotmail.com | AIM: JasonRStraight --- RonPaul2008.com --- From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 06:15:17 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:15:17 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4789AC75.6090302@stdin.me.uk> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: >> >>> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be >>> beta version. >>> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. >>> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a >>> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super >>> solid. >>> >> If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then >> you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. >> > > I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of expecting > better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work for M$. > > Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy > about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and over > again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't resize, no > customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously worried about > running it. > > KDE 2.0 was not "as good" as KDE1, it wasn't for a while. Neither was KDE 3.0 as good as KDE2 for a while. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 06:19:13 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:19:13 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130014.17631.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801120951h147630d3jfa682668171aa7c6@mail.gmail.com> <478949D9.4020605@stdin.me.uk> <200801130014.17631.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> David McGlone wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:14:33 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: >>> >>>> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did >>>> you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? >>>> >>>> Terence >>>> >>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web >>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me >>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for >>> KDE4. >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features. >> (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for >> this) >> > > Terence, > > first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? > Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me say RH > 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've been using > konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a good 6 or 8 years > and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also from what I can see, I > believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make more sense if dolphin was > using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has been around as a file manager > for a long long time. Matter of fact all dolphin is, is a stripped down and > re-arranged konqueror with a different name. :-) > > David, To answer your questions: 1) No 2) No 3) Didn't say it wasn't 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin KPart. I hope that answered all of those queries. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 06:20:42 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:20:42 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801122358.21757.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> <200801122358.21757.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <4789ADBA.6000404@stdin.me.uk> David McGlone wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008 11:19:04 am Terence Simpson wrote: > >>> Well I got home a while ago and finally got a chance to look at kde 4, I >>> have noticed that it is harder to use konq as a file manager, because I >>> cannot find any way to "show hidden files" in konq. But it's there in >>> dolphin. Anyone know anything about this? >>> >> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did >> you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? >> > > LOL man that sounds mean considering Konqueror has always had all the features > of a file manager. I never expected the features to be ripped out so > suddenly, if at all. > > > Suddenly? no. It's been planned and implemented for a while now. (You seem to "LOL" for someone who doesn't like what's happening) From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Sun Jan 13 06:21:09 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:21:09 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4789AC75.6090302@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4789AC75.6090302@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801130121.09369.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008 01:15:17 Terence Simpson wrote: > KDE 2.0 was not "as good" as KDE1, it wasn't for a while. Neither was > KDE 3.0 as good as KDE2 for a while. Yes, but 2.0->3.0 wasn't a regression in features or usability. Yeah, you could generally expect more bugs, but they usually weren't showstoppers either. KDE4.0 is a different beast, and I'm not talking about the code, but the stage of usability it is compared to other .0 releases. The problem isn't the code quality, it's the politics of releasing before ready that's hurting the image of KDE4. -- | Jason Straight | http://www.SkyCon.net | Yahoo: jasonrstraight | ICQ: 1796276 | MSN: glock21-45cal at hotmail.com | AIM: JasonRStraight --- RonPaul2008.com --- From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 06:35:24 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:35:24 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801121507.42946.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801121953.08037.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801121507.42946.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200801130835.24682.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Konqueror still has tabs, view profiles, split views, and all that > (assuming you meant Konq - Dolphin never had tabs), just a few things not > wired up right yet Phew! :D \d From h_taheri at isc.iranet.net Sun Jan 13 07:08:52 2008 From: h_taheri at isc.iranet.net (homayoon taheri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:38:52 +0330 Subject: Compile and Buils problem ? Message-ID: <200801131038.52398.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> In kubuntu 7.10, whenever I try to compile any tools from source by ./configure the following error in configure.log file stops the operation: Which is needed library ? configure: failed program was: | /* confdefs.h. */ | | #define PACKAGE_NAME "" | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "" | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "" | #define PACKAGE_STRING "" | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "" | #define PACKAGE "libdvdcss" | #define VERSION "1.2.9" | /* end confdefs.h. */ | | int | main () | { | | ; | return 0; | } configure:2423: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. From edwin7 at web.de Sun Jan 13 08:19:31 2008 From: edwin7 at web.de (Edwin Sendjaja) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:19:31 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <1200212372.18707.16.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> I dont see the point here. Why should I wait for 4.5.8 for equal standing =P Well I hope they release 4.5.8 very soon then. This guy is funny strange =P puih....so desperated to waiting......zzzzzzzzz On So, 2008-01-13 at 03:51 +0000, Terence Simpson wrote: > Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > > Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be > > beta version. > > I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. > > Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a > > better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super > > solid. > > > > > > > If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then > you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jan 13 08:22:25 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:22:25 +0100 Subject: Compile and Buils problem ? In-Reply-To: <200801131038.52398.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> References: <200801131038.52398.h_taheri@isc.iranet.net> Message-ID: <200801130922.25150.kassube@gmx.net> homayoon taheri wrote: > In kubuntu 7.10, whenever I try to compile any tools from source > by ./configure the following error in configure.log file stops the > operation: > > configure:2423: error: C compiler cannot create executables > See `config.log' for more details. Did you install the package "build-essential"? Nils From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 13 08:23:20 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:23:20 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4789CA78.3010800@free.fr> I don't know what is your configuration but kde4 works fine here... Some little problem like wallpaper doesn't display but a white screen. Even no need of compiz because kde4 has these effects. and it's two double speedy than kde3.5 on my coreduo 64 bits (kubuntu hardy) I wouldn't say it's good for production but i use it for a month and it's usuable in daily life Eduardo P. Román O. a écrit : > At last, my experience with 4.0 was and mistake, I go Back wth my Kde 3.5.8 > with compiz, it's the best, KDE 4.0 is slow and inestable, crash with > frecuency. > > > El Saturday 12 January 2008 20:18:39 Terence Simpson escribió: > >> Clay Weber wrote: >> >>> I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in >>> package versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 >>> for you, which is correct for dapper. >>> >> An eopch is there to make a lower version number seem to be greater than >> the one already available, they are added when a version is included but >> then needs to be replaced with an older one. >> If you're wondering why every version after has the epoch, it's because >> once you add an epoch it can't be removed because the epoch version will >> always be higher. >> >> Terence >> > > > > From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 13 08:25:35 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:25:35 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <4789CAFF.5020903@free.fr> true :) lol But as I am old enaugh i don't want to wait so long :) i started with kde1 in 1996 and you imagine how difficult it was :) Terence Simpson a écrit : > Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > >> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be >> beta version. >> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. >> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a >> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super >> solid. >> >> >> >> > If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then > you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. > > > From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 13 08:27:14 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:27:14 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4789CB62.3020906@free.fr> You are missing a good occasion of open software :) Howard Coles Jr. a écrit : > On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: >> >>> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be >>> beta version. >>> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. >>> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a >>> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super >>> solid. >>> >> If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then >> you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. >> > > I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of expecting > better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work for M$. > > Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy > about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and over > again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't resize, no > customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously worried about > running it. > > From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 13 08:28:34 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:28:34 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130005.50541.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200801130005.50541.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <4789CBB2.2060803@free.fr> kde3 wasn't so good at beginning :) more craps than kde4 D. Michael McIntyre a écrit : > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its >> supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I >> recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of >> expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work >> for M$. >> > > My recollection is that the 3.0 series was just enough of an improvement over > 2.2 to make it worth bothering with the buggy upgrade. 3.1 was an > incremental improvement, but still plagued with problems, and everything > since 3.2 has been an increasingly pointless upgrade. > From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 13 08:33:54 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:33:54 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <4789CCF2.2020900@free.fr> I guess the 11/1 was an US "marketing" date (11/10) ?? it should have been "ran" on 25/12/ at xchrismas for a more universal purpose ! lol Jason Straight a écrit : > On Saturday 12 January 2008 23:55:01 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: >> >>> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: >>> >>>> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be >>>> beta version. >>>> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. >>>> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a >>>> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super >>>> solid. >>>> >>> If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then >>> you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. >>> >> I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its >> supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I >> recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of >> expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you work >> for M$. >> >> Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy >> about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and over >> again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't resize, no >> customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously worried about >> running it. >> > > I have to agree here. While I appreciate the effort into KDE4, and I'm sure > it'll turn out to be a great piece of work (probably quite soon, KDE is > usually pretty quick with updates) I don't think the current stage of KDE4.0 > is really something that should be called anything more than beta quality. > > A final release should be able to run more than 24 hrs w/o crashing, should > have all it's components (PIM,KDM) up to date and working, and certainly > should have waited until the most anticipated part of it was more than 2 > months old (plasma), and had it's features in place. > > I'm not at all dismayed with the work so far, just that it was rushed to be > called RC, and gold. > > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 08:39:32 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:39:32 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801120928k4706d556qf5515498f471792c@mail.gmail.com> <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > That's a start. Seriously, if you identify the offensive sentence I'd > > like to know. Truth is, my bluntness and non-sugar coating of thoughts > > has offended people in the past. If I can know what is considered > > offensive in English writing then I can learn to sugar-coat my ideas > > such that they will not offend. > > It's not an offensive sentence so much as an offensive comment in general, but > I genuinely don't understand why I feel such a visceral reaction. I can't > disagree that people in my country generally have no idea what names mean. > Why, a lot of them can't even spell names correctly, and you have to look no > further than my own father for that one. He named me, but can never remember > if it's Micheal or Michael. (The disturbing thing is that Micheal isn't > showing up in red, so there must be a lot of guys out there named Micheal, > probably with sisters named Reneè.) Micheal / Michael is easy to remember. It obviously ends in "-el", as "el" means God in Hebrew. So all names such as Daniel, Israel, Michael, and so forth refer to God. If you say the name in parts "Mi Ka El" it means "Who is like God?": Mi: who Ka: is like El: God Explain it to your dad that way, see if he remembers now. > I know what my names mean, and lot of other related linguistic trivia, but I > am definitely not a typical American. I know that to be true because I can > think back on a lifetime of having beautiful women dismiss me with a "You're > weird." I think that's about par for a Linux list subscriber. (no offense :) ) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 09:03:28 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:03:28 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Mi: who > Ka: is like > El: God Interesting. He's very like God in that he has the instinct to smite. Calm down Mike -- I jest ! :D What does "Dotan" mean? My own name is a mystery to me. My Grandfather is "Don" so I guess they tacked another 'n' onto mine :) Am I supposed to call my (never to be) son "Donnn" :D I reckon you are right about meanings of names being largely unknown, but isn't that a general observation about *all* words? Etymology requires study and speciality and the "rest" of us just get along in meme-land. I know I have quite a store of computer-words(names) in my head, but that's just the geek in me :) \d -- Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 09:12:28 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:12:28 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4789ADBA.6000404@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> <200801122358.21757.d.mcglone@att.net> <4789ADBA.6000404@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 6:20 AM, Terence Simpson wrote: > Suddenly? no. It's been planned and implemented for a while now. > (You seem to "LOL" for someone who doesn't like what's happening) Hi Terence, Not that i doubt you or anything but do you have any links to where konqueror dev's have stated this just want to read about where they are going with it more. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 10:01:17 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:01:17 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > Mi: who > > Ka: is like > > El: God > Interesting. He's very like God in that he has the instinct to smite. Calm > down Mike -- I jest ! :D > > What does "Dotan" mean? It is the name of a valley in northern Israel, just south of today's Afula. > My own name is a mystery to me. My Grandfather is "Don" so I guess they tacked > another 'n' onto mine :) Am I supposed to call my (never to be) > son "Donnn" :D > > I reckon you are right about meanings of names being largely unknown, but > isn't that a general observation about *all* words? Etymology requires study > and speciality and the "rest" of us just get along in meme-land. I know I > have quite a store of computer-words(names) in my head, but that's just the > geek in me :) I would prefer that those who find that they do not know the meanings of their names, or the names of their places of residence, answer that. I believe that it is cultural, and in English (not only American) it is doubly compounded as the place names often come from different languages. Are there any Brits who could elaborate on the name London, for instance (without going to wikipedia)? I may have been insensitive to that as in Israel, most of the places have Hebrew, Arabic, or other Semetic names, which are still partially decypherable in everyday speech. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 10:29:41 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:29:41 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > What does "Dotan" mean? > It is the name of a valley in northern Israel, just south of today's Afula. Being a name of some other place is not the same as 'meaning'. Or am I wrong? > I would prefer that those who find that they do not know the meanings > of their names, or the names of their places of residence, answer > that. Oh, I wasn't asking, just observing my ignorance. > in Israel, most of the places have Hebrew, > Arabic, or other Semetic names, which are still partially decypherable > in everyday speech. That's another good point - English stems from a milkshake of older languages and we (I speak of my generation in South Africa) sure as heck did not learn Latin in school, and that's a huge disconnect as far as language goes. I think people in Europe and places that still speak "old" languages (or modern ones with a direct person-to-person link back in time) have an advantage as far as meaning/interpretation goes. \d From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 10:43:07 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:43:07 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 10:01 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Are there any Brits who could elaborate on the > name London, for instance (without going to wikipedia)? I may have > been insensitive to that as in Israel, most of the places have Hebrew, > Arabic, or other Semetic names, which are still partially decypherable > in everyday speech. > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > Im not British so i cheated a little (im Irish) and from reading the Wiki page about London im not sure if anyone really knows where the name comes from or what it means. Part of the problem is alot of names may come from latin which not many people speak. Or in Ireland come from Irish/Gaelic which also not many speak either. Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 10:54:47 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:54:47 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4789ADBA.6000404@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801130554.47361.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> I installed KDE 4.0.0, minor install problems but got it done. First problem is that the virtual size of the screen is larger than the physical size. I guess I could pan around if I new how. But, does this mean KDE4 is not using the default xorg.conf, if I switch back to the KDE3 session the screen returns to normal. Very slow on exit, I can see the system paint the lines across the screen as it changes the screen. From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Sun Jan 13 11:40:00 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:40:00 +0100 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) In-Reply-To: <200801121532.28423.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> <200801122112.36371.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> <200801121532.28423.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801131240.00319.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> lørdag den 12. Januar 2008 kvad Michael W. Holdeman: > > > 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging > > > in? How do we restart apps like that when logging in? > > > > I have not installed KDE4, but never the less... > > In KDE3 there is a folder ~/.kde/Autostart/ in which one can put > > thing one would like to - well - autostart on login. > > > > Has that been removed from KDE4? > > If it isn't removed it is moved, or just absent and needs to be > created. \ If it is just moved, it should be possible to find it using one of the file search tools. Have you tried that? Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Jan 13 11:52:17 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:52:17 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:01:17 +0200 "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > Are there any Brits who could elaborate on the > name London, for instance (without going to wikipedia)? I may have > been insensitive to that as in Israel, most of the places have Hebrew, > Arabic, or other Semetic names, which are still partially decypherable > in everyday speech. [snipped] Certainly. As a Brit, we were always told at school that the name comes from the Roman name for the Roman settlement on the River Thames - Londinium. -- Graham Todd From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 12:17:16 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:17:16 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130554.47361.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130554.47361.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Ignore this post. I can't believe I had never noticed that my kde 3 behaves in the same manner!!! After all these years... On Sunday 13 January 2008 05:54:47 Jesus Arocho wrote: > I installed KDE 4.0.0, minor install problems but got it done. First > problem is that the virtual size of the screen is larger than the physical > size. I guess I could pan around if I new how. But, does this mean KDE4 > is not using the default xorg.conf, if I switch back to the KDE3 session > the screen returns to normal. Very slow on exit, I can see the system > paint the lines across the screen as it changes the screen. From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 12:18:34 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:18:34 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 11:52 AM, Graham wrote: > Certainly. As a Brit, we were always told at school that the name > comes from the Roman name for the Roman settlement on the River Thames > - Londinium. > Have a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London#Etymology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 12:28:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:28:59 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130554.47361.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Ignore this post. I can't believe I had never noticed that my kde 3 > behaves in the same manner!!! After all these years... Ha! That takes the cake :D Did your mouse never bump into the side of the screen? \d -- When there's an emergency how come we never hear anyone shout "Let me through, I'm an aromatherapist!" -- unknown Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 12:31:57 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:31:57 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801130431sc8aa163jffc46afac401920e@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > > What does "Dotan" mean? > > It is the name of a valley in northern Israel, just south of today's Afula. > Being a name of some other place is not the same as 'meaning'. Or am I wrong? You are right. The "do" I am not sure of (maybe "two") but the "tan" probably refers to the animal, which is called in English hyena, and frequents the area. So "Dotan" could be "two hyenas". > > I would prefer that those who find that they do not know the meanings > > of their names, or the names of their places of residence, answer > > that. > Oh, I wasn't asking, just observing my ignorance. It would be interesting to know, if a bit OT for the Kubuntu list. > > in Israel, most of the places have Hebrew, > > Arabic, or other Semetic names, which are still partially decypherable > > in everyday speech. > That's another good point - English stems from a milkshake of older languages > and we (I speak of my generation in South Africa) sure as heck did not learn > Latin in school, and that's a huge disconnect as far as language goes. I > think people in Europe and places that still speak "old" languages (or modern > ones with a direct person-to-person link back in time) have an advantage as > far as meaning/interpretation goes. I know of at least one Latin speaker in attendance of this thread. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 12:37:25 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:37:25 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801130437g2f8cf226m79debba261b1a39f@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 13, 2008 11:52 AM, Graham wrote: > > Certainly. As a Brit, we were always told at school that the name > > comes from the Roman name for the Roman settlement on the River Thames > > - Londinium. > > > > Have a read of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London#Etymology > I already did. Even there the meaning of Londinium is not explained. Might be a nice permanent name for that elusive 117th element. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 12:42:32 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:42:32 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130437g2f8cf226m79debba261b1a39f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801130039y7f401ff5wa3165ebbb776fac2@mail.gmail.com> <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801130437g2f8cf226m79debba261b1a39f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 12:37 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I already did. Even there the meaning of Londinium is not explained. > Might be a nice permanent name for that elusive 117th element. > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > Indeed thats what i meant by it. There is also many possible meaning listed so it seems nobody can be sure what it truly means Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfulks at knology.net Sun Jan 13 13:35:50 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:35:50 -0600 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801131103.28996.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130201y7918f315t1b1ae5560cdda7e0@mail.gmail.com> <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A13B6.9070806@knology.net> Donn wrote: >>> What does "Dotan" mean? >> It is the name of a valley in northern Israel, just south of today's Afula. > Being a name of some other place is not the same as 'meaning'. Or am I wrong? > >> I would prefer that those who find that they do not know the meanings >> of their names, or the names of their places of residence, answer >> that. > Oh, I wasn't asking, just observing my ignorance. > >> in Israel, most of the places have Hebrew, >> Arabic, or other Semetic names, which are still partially decypherable >> in everyday speech. > That's another good point - English stems from a milkshake of older languages > and we (I speak of my generation in South Africa) sure as heck did not learn > Latin in school, and that's a huge disconnect as far as language goes. I > think people in Europe and places that still speak "old" languages (or modern > ones with a direct person-to-person link back in time) have an advantage as > far as meaning/interpretation goes. > > > \d > Now mix all of that English problem up in a country which was settled by the English, French, and Spanish. However, throw into that mix a native culture that already had names for some areas in languages that no longer are spoken. Also make it one of the larger countries in the world by land mass. Welcome to the U.S. (Canada probably has many of the same issue however). When many of our places are named using Native American (or Indian as we have called them for centuries) names, it is often difficult to understand the meaning. Many more are named using Spanish or French names. And we like the South African reference earlier are not taught Latin. Dotan mentioned "Colorado" in a previous post on this topic. I had no idea where that name came from, so went and looked it up. It turns out that Colorado means red in Spanish, so I guess if I spoke Spanish it would have helped. I will say, however, that this thread is going to make me more aware of names and their meanings. I don't know what impact that will have on the world as a whole, but it has served to open my eyes somewhat. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 13:42:20 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:42:20 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <200801130742.21207.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 11:22:39 pm Jason Straight wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008 23:55:01 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > > > Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > > > > Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should > > > > be beta version. > > > > I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has > > > > already. Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We > > > > just want a better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good > > > > amd super solid. > > > > > > If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then > > > you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. > > > > I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > > supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > > recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of > > expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you > > work for M$. > > > > Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy > > about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and > > over again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't > > resize, no customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously > > worried about running it. > > I have to agree here. While I appreciate the effort into KDE4, and I'm sure > it'll turn out to be a great piece of work (probably quite soon, KDE is > usually pretty quick with updates) I don't think the current stage of > KDE4.0 is really something that should be called anything more than beta > quality. > > A final release should be able to run more than 24 hrs w/o crashing, should > have all it's components (PIM,KDM) up to date and working, and certainly > should have waited until the most anticipated part of it was more than 2 > months old (plasma), and had it's features in place. > > I'm not at all dismayed with the work so far, just that it was rushed to be > called RC, and gold. Exactly. I think the quality of it is more important than the timing of it. Let the Trade rags say what they will, their bashing M$ for being late never hurt sales. I believe the guys who are working on KDE can and will get it right. As for KDE 3 being very buggy, I don't recall that at all, of course my memory has been known to be in beta as well, :-D. However, I do expect software ALL software to have problems, even KDE 3.5.8 has problems. That's not an issue. What I'm beginning to wonder is how much participation in Beta the Devs got. If they're thinking everyone thought this was gold code, then I wonder if the problem doesn't come back on us as a user community. I say that because I didn't see a whole heck of a lot of discussion about what was and what wasn't in KDE 4 feature wise, and what did and what didn't work function wise. Even in the KDE user list I don't see very much on it. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 13:55:07 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:55:07 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <478A13B6.9070806@knology.net> References: <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478A13B6.9070806@knology.net> Message-ID: <200801131555.07396.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I will say, however, that this thread is going to make me more aware of > names and their meanings. I don't know what impact that will have on > the world as a whole, but it has served to open my eyes somewhat. Yeah, and perhaps a lot of us are aware that we don't have a direct language connection to our past and that makes us feel ignorant when faced with it. I realized years ago that I'm a complete idiot, so it's not news anymore :) \d -- He had delusions of adequacy. -- Walter Kerr Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 13:48:41 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:48:41 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4789CBB2.2060803@free.fr> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130005.50541.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <4789CBB2.2060803@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801130748.41121.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008 02:28:34 am Girard Henri wrote: > kde3 wasn't so good at beginning :) > more craps than kde4 > > D. Michael McIntyre a écrit : > > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > >> supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > >> recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of > >> expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you > >> work for M$. > > > > My recollection is that the 3.0 series was just enough of an improvement > > over 2.2 to make it worth bothering with the buggy upgrade. 3.1 was an > > incremental improvement, but still plagued with problems, and everything > > since 3.2 has been an increasingly pointless upgrade. I can't remember that it was less usable than 2.2. I remember switching to it, when it was released and having a couple of issues. I think then I was running RedHat, and getting KDE was difficult already. That was one of the reasons I switched to SuSE. Of course, everyone's memory and mileage varies I guess. I may not have strained it very much back then. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 13:56:35 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:56:35 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801130856.36056.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008 07:28:59 Donn wrote: > > Ignore this post. I can't believe I had never noticed that my kde 3 > > behaves in the same manner!!! After all these years... > > Ha! That takes the cake :D Did your mouse never bump into the side of the > screen? > > \d > > > -- > When there's an emergency how come we never hear anyone shout "Let me > through, I'm an aromatherapist!" > -- unknown > > Fonty Python and other dev news at: > http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ That is the beauty of it, of course the mouse bumped against the edge. For some reason I convinced myself that this was new in kde 4 and spent 1/2 hour trying to fix it. On the other hand getting icons to the size I want was more difficult. It was not until I ran adept this morning that the icons responded to a new size, and then only if I restart the desktop, not when I click on apply. The panel icons, or whatever the new name is for the strip at the bottom of the screen, I have not been able to change. Also, I changed the background to a different picture and when I restarted the desktop I only got a white screen. Now I have to change the wallpaper every time I log in, unless I want a white screen. I am getting use to it and it is promising, but it is buggy. I have one laptop and four other desktops to change but will not do so until more stable. I thank all of the programmer involved!! From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Jan 13 13:51:06 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:51:06 +0100 Subject: KMail from many platforms In-Reply-To: <2732710.ho4IaqyPii@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200712051910.17327.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801031145.15324.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <2732710.ho4IaqyPii@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801131451.06582.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Hi, Just for feedback (but 2 questions at the end) On Thursday 03 January 2008 20:33, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> it's all pam based, and if the mail user has a linux account, that > >> should be used. Not sure in my case; that created different mailboxes :o( I wanted to access one mailbox from many places instead. So I created a non-login user account for that very mail account I wanted. ;O) I belive I got the situation about right on the Ubuntu side, at least it all works. (snip) > It's _pam_ based. (snip) > If you have a passwd file, you've been messing too much with the config. I took care of that too. It didn't take me very long. What took me a longer than expected was the Suse side. 9.3 is quite old and so was the dovecot version in Suse's repos, plus there was security warnings concerning Suse 9.3 and dovecot. So I installed from sources. I had no success with the dovecot.conf from Ubuntu: probably a pam problem. Trying to correct this I introduced other errors into that conf file, and the dummest the error, the harder to find (like having login_user = pmail instead of dovecot, the error messages led me to belive there was something wrong with pmail before I realised it was only in the wrong place). I gave up with pam and used a passdb passwd-file instead. I had to find out that when "/usr/local/sbin/dovecot -F" issued from a shell did not return the prompt I shouldn't "ctrl+c" it because it was nontheless active and able to issue error messages if I launched Kmail. I also figured out why "/etc/init.d/dovecot start" failed to work, simply because it had to be adapted for the different paths of my install. SO NOW IT WORKS :D Concerning the suggestion of Nils: changing the "folders=..." in kmailrc, I experienced problems when I changed that "folders=" from an old copy to the actual folders in Suse, that had an extra folder (the one for Ubuntu's list ;o) ) and lost (just a copy) of my mails. I cannot swear the loss of mail was really a consequence of this manipulation, but it makes me cautious. __________________________________ Some unanswered questions are: (1) Can I infer from dovecot "Build options: ioloop=poll notify=dnotify ipv6" that it was built without pam support? BTW ./configure --help says (snip) --with-pam Build with PAM support (default) (2) Are there more risk in using two versions of dovecot on the same set of data (Maildir) or in running the dovecot on Ubuntu from Suse (with the exec option in fstab for that partition) Perry -- BOFH excuse #5: static from plastic slide rules -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joemburgess at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 14:22:25 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:22:25 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130856.36056.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801130856.36056.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <478A1EA1.9060206@gmail.com> So wait in the KDE4, is Dolphin the only file manager choice? I was so mad when Kubuntu 7.10 changed to Dolphin it is no where near as powerful as konqueror, but thankfully in 7.10 I could switch back to konqueror, is this possible in KDE 4? thanks, Joe Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008 07:28:59 Donn wrote: >>> Ignore this post. I can't believe I had never noticed that my kde 3 >>> behaves in the same manner!!! After all these years... >> Ha! That takes the cake :D Did your mouse never bump into the side of the >> screen? >> >> \d >> >> >> -- >> When there's an emergency how come we never hear anyone shout "Let me >> through, I'm an aromatherapist!" >> -- unknown >> >> Fonty Python and other dev news at: >> http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ > > That is the beauty of it, of course the mouse bumped against the edge. For > some reason I convinced myself that this was new in kde 4 and spent 1/2 hour > trying to fix it. On the other hand getting icons to the size I want was > more difficult. It was not until I ran adept this morning that the icons > responded to a new size, and then only if I restart the desktop, not when I > click on apply. The panel icons, or whatever the new name is for the strip > at the bottom of the screen, I have not been able to change. > > Also, I changed the background to a different picture and when I restarted the > desktop I only got a white screen. Now I have to change the wallpaper every > time I log in, unless I want a white screen. > > I am getting use to it and it is promising, but it is buggy. I have one > laptop and four other desktops to change but will not do so until more > stable. I thank all of the programmer involved!! > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 14:31:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:31:27 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801131555.07396.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801131229.41856.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478A13B6.9070806@knology.net> <200801131555.07396.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801130631g76158bdcmcb0c129c33c525d2@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > I will say, however, that this thread is going to make me more aware of > > names and their meanings. I don't know what impact that will have on > > the world as a whole, but it has served to open my eyes somewhat. > Yeah, and perhaps a lot of us are aware that we don't have a direct language > connection to our past and that makes us feel ignorant when faced with it. I > realized years ago that I'm a complete idiot, so it's not news anymore :) So, we've settled on "Kburn" then? :) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 14:34:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:34:33 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130742.21207.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> <200801130742.21207.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801130634pe14879dp13a539bb823060f1@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > Exactly. I think the quality of it is more important than the timing of it. > Let the Trade rags say what they will, their bashing M$ for being late never > hurt sales. I believe the guys who are working on KDE can and will get it > right. > > As for KDE 3 being very buggy, I don't recall that at all, of course my memory > has been known to be in beta as well, :-D. However, I do expect software ALL > software to have problems, even KDE 3.5.8 has problems. That's not an issue. > What I'm beginning to wonder is how much participation in Beta the Devs got. > If they're thinking everyone thought this was gold code, then I wonder if the > problem doesn't come back on us as a user community. I say that because I > didn't see a whole heck of a lot of discussion about what was and what wasn't > in KDE 4 feature wise, and what did and what didn't work function wise. > > Even in the KDE user list I don't see very much on it. > Probably because not enough people used the RC. I, for one, knew from the begining that I'm waiting for a point-one release. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 14:48:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:48:33 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130631g76158bdcmcb0c129c33c525d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801131555.07396.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801130631g76158bdcmcb0c129c33c525d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131648.33428.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > So, we've settled on "Kburn" then? :) M'Kay, burn baby burn! :D \d -- "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From nepal.roade at virgin.net Sun Jan 13 14:43:31 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:43:31 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it > uses parts of Dolphin to manage files. Who did, and Why? what is the vested interest or is it a vendetta?? Who made the decision? does this apply to [K]ubuntu only? Why has someone deliberately *broken* konqueror in order to try to force me to use something that I do not and will never use, i.e. Dolphin.? IMO it is a horrible piece of crap. > The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why > can't I use Firefox to move a file from one place to > another", the answer is to use a file manager instead. That is very patronising, is that what you meant? > > Terence nepal. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 14:49:35 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:49:35 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, nepal wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it > > uses parts of Dolphin to manage files. > > Who did, and Why? what is the vested interest or is it a > vendetta?? Who made the decision? does this apply to > [K]ubuntu only? Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! Note: I love KDE and I'm rather dedicated to the software. However, I see many arbitrary decisions, such as this one, that seem to follow similar arbitrary decisions from MS. Guess how I feel about that? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From nepal.roade at virgin.net Sun Jan 13 14:54:47 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:54:47 +0000 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00801120928k4706d556qf5515498f471792c@mail.gmail.com> <200801121701.12621.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801131454.48079.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I know that to be true because I can > think back on a lifetime of having beautiful women > dismiss me with a "You're weird." > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre so there's nothing to worry about then. ;) nepal. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 15:04:25 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:04:25 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> Message-ID: <200801131704.25332.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Don't get upset - it will be what it is. I too hope Konqueror is not cut off at the knees, it's truly the "killer app" in my opinion. Last I read about it, it was mentioned that it's codebase has become too old to properly maintain (the horror) and Dolphin just gathered momentum. I hope they apply some KDE 4 love to Konqy because I don't know if I can live without it. \d -- # Benford's Law of Controversy: Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 15:07:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:07:33 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131707.33854.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Note: I love KDE and I'm rather dedicated to the software. However, I > see many arbitrary decisions, such as this one, that seem to follow > similar arbitrary decisions from MS. Guess how I feel about that? I also noted that similarity, but it's always seemed a natural one to me. I find 'browsing' to be an online/offline concept and Konqueror has taken it to sublime levels. I think it was less "copy MS" and more "this is just obvious" and I hope it sticks around. One could also point-out that distro's like Kubuntu come out with an office suit, a browser, email, news, etc. and are thus as guilty as MS in the whole "swamp" the competition game, but it's not the same playing field. \d -- All Bibles are man-made. -- Thomas Edison Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Sun Jan 13 15:23:28 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:23:28 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801130742.21207.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> <200801130742.21207.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131023.28271.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008 08:42:20 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > As for KDE 3 being very buggy, I don't recall that at all, of course my > memory has been known to be in beta as well, :-D.  However, I do expect > software ALL software to have problems, even KDE 3.5.8 has problems. >  That's not an issue. What I'm beginning to wonder is how much > participation in Beta the Devs got. If they're thinking everyone thought > this was gold code, then I wonder if the problem doesn't come back on us as > a user community.  I say that because I didn't see a whole heck of a lot of > discussion about what was and what wasn't in KDE 4 feature wise, and what > did and what didn't work function wise. Yeah, normally I would have run it and tested it in beta had I been able to use it more proficiently, but the problem for me was that even as a beta tester I required it to be more usable than it was at that stage. So in my opinion there were probably a lot of potential beta testers that were turned off from running it due to frustration that at the beta stage it was alpha or pre-alpha quality. -- | Jason Straight | http://www.SkyCon.net | Yahoo: jasonrstraight | ICQ: 1796276 | MSN: glock21-45cal at hotmail.com | AIM: JasonRStraight --- RonPaul2008.com --- From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Jan 13 15:28:01 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:28:01 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131704.25332.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <200801131704.25332.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:04:25 +0200 Donn wrote: > I hope they apply some KDE 4 love to Konqy because I don't know if > I can live without it. [snipped] I can quite easily live without it, but I wished the decision has been to use Krusader rather than Dolphin in KDE 4. THAT I can't live without..... -- Graham Todd From joemburgess at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 15:31:30 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:31:30 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131023.28271.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130022.39728.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> <200801130742.21207.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200801131023.28271.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <478A2ED2.2040401@gmail.com> well I think the key is that I and many others will just have to wait for I assume 4.0.1 even. There are just too many bugs, and worst of all they took out konqueror. I think that KDE4 will be wonderful when the .0.1 release comes out. Jason Straight wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008 08:42:20 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >> As for KDE 3 being very buggy, I don't recall that at all, of course my >> memory has been known to be in beta as well, :-D. However, I do expect >> software ALL software to have problems, even KDE 3.5.8 has problems. >> That's not an issue. What I'm beginning to wonder is how much >> participation in Beta the Devs got. If they're thinking everyone thought >> this was gold code, then I wonder if the problem doesn't come back on us as >> a user community. I say that because I didn't see a whole heck of a lot of >> discussion about what was and what wasn't in KDE 4 feature wise, and what >> did and what didn't work function wise. > > Yeah, normally I would have run it and tested it in beta had I been able to > use it more proficiently, but the problem for me was that even as a beta > tester I required it to be more usable than it was at that stage. > > So in my opinion there were probably a lot of potential beta testers that were > turned off from running it due to frustration that at the beta stage it was > alpha or pre-alpha quality. > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 15:45:16 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:45:16 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131704.25332.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131745.16331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I can quite easily live without it, but I wished the decision has been > to use Krusader rather than Dolphin in KDE 4. THAT I can't live > without..... Heathen! :D \d -- He is a fine friend. He stabs you in the front. -- Leonard Louis Levinson Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 15:42:35 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:42:35 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4789CAFF.5020903@free.fr> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <4789CAFF.5020903@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801131042.35422.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Girard Henri wrote: >true :) lol >But as I am old enaugh i don't want to wait so long :) That's my problem too. At 73 & diabetic now, I don't know if I'll survive till 4.5.8 given the schedule 3 used. >i started with kde1 in 1996 and you imagine how difficult it was :) I think I stated at about 1.3 or so, in '98. >Terence Simpson a écrit : >> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: >>> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be >>> beta version. >>> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. >>> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a >>> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super >>> solid. >> >> If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then >> you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. :-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Simon: "These are better than the Camberson's berries." River: "They are. Except they're poison." --Episode #5, "Safe" From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 15:45:13 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:45:13 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> Message-ID: <200801131045.13261.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008, nepal wrote: >On Saturday 12 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: >> Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it >> uses parts of Dolphin to manage files. > >Who did, and Why? what is the vested interest or is it a >vendetta?? Who made the decision? does this apply to >[K]ubuntu only? > >Why has someone deliberately *broken* konqueror in order to >try to force me to use something that I do not and will >never use, i.e. Dolphin.? IMO it is a horrible piece of >crap. Well, when it comes to file management, it is hard to beat our old standby, and one of the first things I install after first boot, is mc, aka Midnight Commander. A pretty face? No, but it Just Works(TM). >> The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why >> can't I use Firefox to move a file from one place to >> another", the answer is to use a file manager instead. > >That is very patronising, is that what you meant? > >> Terence > >nepal. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Put a rogue in the limelight and he will act like an honest man. -- Napoleon Bonaparte, "Maxims" From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 15:47:26 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:47:26 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131704.25332.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131047.26507.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Graham wrote: >On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:04:25 +0200 > >Donn wrote: >> I hope they apply some KDE 4 love to Konqy because I don't know if >> I can live without it. > >[snipped] > >I can quite easily live without it, but I wished the decision has been >to use Krusader rather than Dolphin in KDE 4. THAT I can't live >without..... I've looked at and installed Krusader. Its a pretty face, with 10% of mc's abilities. Guess which I run... >-- > >Graham Todd -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) So, is the glass half empty, half full, or just twice as large as it needs to be? From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 13 16:00:44 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:00:44 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131042.35422.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <4789CAFF.5020903@free.fr> <200801131042.35422.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <478A35AC.4030303@free.fr> In fact we won't have to wait too long :) I just installed "hardy" kubuntu with only kde4 And I am very pleased with it :) even compiz-fusion works Gene Heskett a écrit : > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Girard Henri wrote: > >> true :) lol >> But as I am old enaugh i don't want to wait so long :) >> > > That's my problem too. At 73 & diabetic now, I don't know if I'll survive > till 4.5.8 given the schedule 3 used. > > >> i started with kde1 in 1996 and you imagine how difficult it was :) >> > > I think I stated at about 1.3 or so, in '98. > > >> Terence Simpson a écrit : >> >>> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: >>> >>>> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be >>>> beta version. >>>> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. >>>> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a >>>> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super >>>> solid. >>>> >>> If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then >>> you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. >>> > > :-) > > From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 16:19:37 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:19:37 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 13, 2008 9:49 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 13/01/2008, nepal wrote: > > Who did, and Why? what is the vested interest or is it a > > vendetta?? Who made the decision? does this apply to > > [K]ubuntu only? > Not Kubuntu only, just KDE. > > Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows > Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! Except that never happened. They were never joined together. > > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sun Jan 13 16:23:41 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:23:41 +0000 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <1695269.PGupnMRCXQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> <20080111091122.87d983c5.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200801111112.45687.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> <20080111170605.a175f165.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1695269.PGupnMRCXQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080113162341.0e70d572.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:58:04 -0400 Derek Broughton wrote: > There's no safe upgrade path from Edgy to Hardy, and it's sure to be at > least as problematic as Gutsy, anyway. > -- > derek > Yes, I realise that. It will have to be a new install. Seeing that Edgy is working fine for me anyway, I well not bother. If is ain't broke ..... Neil Winchurst From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 16:23:19 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:23:19 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A1EA1.9060206@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801130856.36056.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <478A1EA1.9060206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A3AF7.6000705@stdin.me.uk> Joe Burgess wrote: > So wait in the KDE4, is Dolphin the only file manager choice? I was so > mad when Kubuntu 7.10 changed to Dolphin it is no where near as powerful > as konqueror, but thankfully in 7.10 I could switch back to konqueror, > is this possible in KDE 4? > > thanks, > Joe > > The reason Gutsy set Dolphin (or actually D3lphin) to the default file manager was because that's what KDE were doing for version 4, to give people a chance to adjust. Dolphin is more powerful and featured than D3lphin, don't judge the one on the other, they are officially different projects. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 16:31:32 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:31:32 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200212372.18707.16.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <1200212372.18707.16.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> Message-ID: <478A3CE4.9000801@stdin.me.uk> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > I dont see the point here. > Why should I wait for 4.5.8 for equal standing =P > Well I hope they release 4.5.8 very soon then. > This guy is funny strange =P > > puih....so desperated to waiting......zzzzzzzzz > Why wait until 4.5.8? well, because the KDE 3.x.x series has has a lot more time and work put into it, it's not fair to judge the abilities of of a baby to the abilities of the parent. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 16:33:50 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:33:50 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> Message-ID: <478A3D6E.3020009@stdin.me.uk> nepal wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it >> uses parts of Dolphin to manage files. >> > > Who did, and Why? what is the vested interest or is it a > vendetta?? Who made the decision? does this apply to > [K]ubuntu only? > No, the upstream KDE project decided to. > Why has someone deliberately *broken* konqueror in order to > try to force me to use something that I do not and will > never use, i.e. Dolphin.? IMO it is a horrible piece of > crap. > > >> The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why >> can't I use Firefox to move a file from one place to >> another", the answer is to use a file manager instead. >> > > That is very patronising, is that what you meant? > > >> Terence >> > > nepal. > > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jan 13 16:39:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:39:18 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A3EB6.6010604@swbell.net> On 01/13/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows > Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! Actually Windows Explorer replaced File Manager. I don't believe it was ever "part" of Internet Explorer. Up through ME you could still use File Manager if you chose. The file manager in Wine is styled after File Manager. Now, back to KDE 4.0.0 >From reading the list I think I will wait a bit before jumping on the band wagon. I was sorely tempted at first, having heard all the wonderful pre-release stuff. But anyway................ As for Dolphin, well............, to be truthful I kind of like it. OK, OK, I know it's not perfect. There are things I would like to be different. BUT, as I have made an effort to use it whenever possible and learn it's funny little quirks, I find it pretty usable. I'm sure it will evolve into a favorite if given the chance. KDE/Konqueror. Well, I suppose I've ever only used a "3" release so I can't really say which is better or worse. However, My better half says I'm anal. When I do something I take great pains to get it RIGHT. From what I see on this, and other lists, "I" would not have released KDE4 as a "release" maybe an "rc". I think there are just to many things that aren't completed yet. Can any of the developers, and I DO appreciate all their hard work [ God knows I can't do it so I can appreciate those that do ], Actually point to KDE4.0.0 and say with REAL PRIDE and sense of ACCOMPLISHMENT, "I did that." Would they want a HUGE billboard erected with their picture and the words, "I helped build KDE4.0.0!" OK, I'll shut up now and go back to lurking on this thread. From k7qo at commspeed.net Sun Jan 13 16:49:02 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:49:02 -0700 Subject: Card Reader for HP Slimline Message-ID: <200801130949.02187.k7qo@commspeed.net> I had not tried until a minutes ago the memory card reader in a HP Pavilion Slimline system with kubuntu 7.10. It does not recognize that a memory card has been plugged in. I have not had this problem with any other system running 7.10. Any one running a Slimline with AMD 64 x2 dual-core system? TIA Chuck -- Chuck Adams, K7QO k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Jan 13 17:09:51 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:09:51 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4789AC75.6090302@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801122255.01752.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4789AC75.6090302@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801131209.51782.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008 1:15:17 am Terence Simpson wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Saturday 12 January 2008 09:51:57 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > >>> Eduardo, I have the same opinion with you. Well, this version should be > >>> beta version. > >>> I hope they will fix and add some funktions that kde 3.5.8 has already. > >>> Who expect it to be supermega fast and supermega solid. We just want a > >>> better destop than kde3.5.8, which is already super good amd super > >>> solid. > >> > >> If you want to compare it to 3.5.8 then please wait until 4.5.8, then > >> you'll be comparing things on an equal standing. > > > > I have to disagree here. 4.0 is the NEXT release in the KDE series, its > > supposed to be better. KDE 3 was way better than KDE 2.whatever, as I > > recall, and KDE 2 was better than KDE 1. We have a long history of > > expecting better, not "as good". What you are saying sounds like you > > work for M$. > > > > Don't release a desktop just because its time, and expect me to act happy > > about it if its crap. Sorry, but I've read this thread, and over and > > over again I'm hearing "can't do this" and "can't do that". Can't > > resize, no customization, no this, and no that. It has me seriously > > worried about running it. > > KDE 2.0 was not "as good" as KDE1, it wasn't for a while. Neither was > KDE 3.0 as good as KDE2 for a while. have to agree here. When KDE 3.0 was rolled out, there were endless problems and crashes/freezes and more. 3.01 was out about a month and a half later, with quite a lot of fixes http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_0to3_0_1.php and 3.02, 3.03, and so on. New and missing features were added with many releases even into 3.5x And also note that 3.0 was at least in part still based on 2.2 code! KDE 4 is quite different from 3.x code wise, so I am rather impressed that it hasn't crashed on me yet :) I was part of a beta testing team (Lycoris, anyone remember that distro lol?) when KDE3.0 was released, and so far , though I am sure it is due to time and familiarity, this is going much smoother imo. And NOT releasing kdepim yet is wise, as kmail at least was terribly buggy back then. One thing about the 4.0 release is, compared to the 3.0 is that there are many many more linux users out there, so there will be many many more ideas, thoughts, and opinions out there, as you can see by this thread alone :) which is A Good Thing. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From joemburgess at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 17:20:56 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:20:56 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A3AF7.6000705@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801130856.36056.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <478A1EA1.9060206@gmail.com> <478A3AF7.6000705@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> So the Dolphin (Which is actually D3lphin) that is in 7.10 (KDE 3.5.8) is not the same as the Dolphin that is in KDE4? Am I correct? Terence Simpson wrote: > Joe Burgess wrote: >> So wait in the KDE4, is Dolphin the only file manager choice? I was so >> mad when Kubuntu 7.10 changed to Dolphin it is no where near as powerful >> as konqueror, but thankfully in 7.10 I could switch back to konqueror, >> is this possible in KDE 4? >> >> thanks, >> Joe >> >> > The reason Gutsy set Dolphin (or actually D3lphin) to the default file > manager was because that's what KDE were doing for version 4, to give > people a chance to adjust. Dolphin is more powerful and featured than > D3lphin, don't judge the one on the other, they are officially different > projects. > > From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 17:47:51 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:47:51 -0500 Subject: flashplugin Message-ID: <200801131247.52272.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Since installing kde4, I've been getting an error message that I need to install the flash plugin (konqueror and mozilla) when running both 3.5.7 and 4.0.0. The flashplugin-nonfree package is installed. Any ideas? Paul From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:13:10 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:13:10 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801131013i26f83f32y96b3f8f37947e731@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 11, 2008 8:10 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 10/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Like said, K3B specifically is not memorable. > > > > Perhaps it's a cultural thing - I've never had a problem since the first > > time I used it. Nobody else here seems to. > > It might be. Are you American? From what I've seen, Americans > typically do not know the meanings of their own first and last names, > much less the names of their cities, rivers, and other objects. For > Americans, a name is often a bunch of meaningless letters, nothing > more. So obviously a program name is no more important than any other > name. This is probably why your comment offended some people: it has the (unintentional) connotation that most Americans are ignorant. My intent is not to feed the embers, but I just wanted make a closed-ended statement: ignorance is a universal _human_ trait and not a _cultural_ one. Perhaps your country may understand their names well, but not Spanish, German, Russian, or Native American names. With America being a "melting-pot" of a tremendous amount of different cultural backgrounds, it is often hard to understand all names. Most people I know would be able to at least make an educated guess as to the background of a name (i.e. "San Francisco" -> Spanish). I just don't want you to walk away feeling that a certain _culture_ is inherently ignorant. All humans are inherently ignorant. I know you weren't trying to offend anyone with your observation. I just wanted to make some clarifications. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From stdin at stdin.me.uk Sun Jan 13 19:39:04 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:39:04 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130717.16517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200801131428.59492.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801130856.36056.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <478A1EA1.9060206@gmail.com> <478A3AF7.6000705@stdin.me.uk> <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A68D8.2000005@stdin.me.uk> Joe Burgess wrote: > So the Dolphin (Which is actually D3lphin) that is in 7.10 (KDE 3.5.8) > is not the same as the Dolphin that is in KDE4? Am I correct? > > Exactly. From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Sun Jan 13 19:53:09 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:53:09 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801120953g4648f556kf74c04f1c363bee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4788C52F.1030008@wanadoo.fr> <1200152227.5818.9.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <4788E7F8.8040804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801120953g4648f556kf74c04f1c363bee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A6C25.8020302@wanadoo.fr> Dotan Cohen a écrit : > On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > >> For those of you complaining that KDE4 is buggy etc. May I point you >> towards: >> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 >> >> Terence >> >> > > That is very important, and should be much more prominent. Like, on > the download page! > I agree... I did not expect to move directly to KDE 4.0 - I was just testing- , but I intend to report what I find not working, so that the soft can improve more quickly... and so that I can jump soon ;) From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:32 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:05:32 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801131013i26f83f32y96b3f8f37947e731@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142B832@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801081646v3f1ac151h708e8b0a81f45dd4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801091033v2d81f6e3uc9b6baa79d818e00@mail.gmail.com> <6211877.A5KuGOeaE7@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801101244h54abd4dcn7988caabeca6481a@mail.gmail.com> <1388494.eQCrgulKqf@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <9bed467e0801131013i26f83f32y96b3f8f37947e731@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801131205t48251870w26662ac936135c82@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Andrew Jarrett wrote: > This is probably why your comment offended some people: it has the > (unintentional) connotation that most Americans are ignorant. > > My intent is not to feed the embers, but I just wanted make a > closed-ended statement: ignorance is a universal _human_ trait and not > a _cultural_ one. Perhaps your country may understand their names > well, but not Spanish, German, Russian, or Native American names. > With America being a "melting-pot" of a tremendous amount of different > cultural backgrounds, it is often hard to understand all names. Most > people I know would be able to at least make an educated guess as to > the background of a name (i.e. "San Francisco" -> Spanish). I just > don't want you to walk away feeling that a certain _culture_ is > inherently ignorant. All humans are inherently ignorant. > > I know you weren't trying to offend anyone with your observation. I > just wanted to make some clarifications. Thanks, Andrew. We did come to that same conclusion earlier on the list. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 20:11:29 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:11:29 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A3EB6.6010604@swbell.net> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <478A3EB6.6010604@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801131211j6a4bbd8chb9a31a4643228bbf@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 01/13/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows > > Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! > > Actually Windows Explorer replaced File Manager. I don't believe it was > ever "part" of Internet Explorer. Up through ME you could still use File > Manager if you chose. The file manager in Wine is styled after File Manager. They may not have shared an executable, but one could type a url into Windows Explorer and surf, or type a local path into Internet Explorer and browse. IE7 and IE7+ have changed that. > Now, back to KDE 4.0.0 > > From reading the list I think I will wait a bit before jumping on the > band wagon. I was sorely tempted at first, having heard all the > wonderful pre-release stuff. But anyway................ > > As for Dolphin, well............, to be truthful I kind of like it. OK, > OK, I know it's not perfect. There are things I would like to be > different. BUT, as I have made an effort to use it whenever possible and > learn it's funny little quirks, I find it pretty usable. I'm sure it > will evolve into a favorite if given the chance. As I trust the KDE devs, I'm assuming also that this will be the case. > KDE/Konqueror. Well, I suppose I've ever only used a "3" release so I > can't really say which is better or worse. However, My better half says > I'm anal. When I do something I take great pains to get it RIGHT. From > what I see on this, and other lists, "I" would not have released KDE4 as > a "release" maybe an "rc". I think there are just to many things that > aren't completed yet. The problem is, that the testers pool was saturated. Nobody new was installing the RCs, so no bugs were being found. Now that the installation base is widening, and the usage patterns are more diverse, more bugs are being discovered. This is rather typical of point-o releases in my experience. Did nobody here install Firefox 2.0.0.0? Open Office 2.0? Windows Vista? > Can any of the developers, and I DO appreciate all their hard work [ God > knows I can't do it so I can appreciate those that do ], Actually point > to KDE4.0.0 and say with REAL PRIDE and sense of ACCOMPLISHMENT, "I did > that." Would they want a HUGE billboard erected with their picture and > the words, "I helped build KDE4.0.0!" > > OK, I'll shut up now and go back to lurking on this thread. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jan 13 20:46:25 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:46:25 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801131211j6a4bbd8chb9a31a4643228bbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <478A3EB6.6010604@swbell.net> <880dece00801131211j6a4bbd8chb9a31a4643228bbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A78A1.10404@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 13/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 01/13/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows >>> Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! >>> >> Actually Windows Explorer replaced File Manager. I don't believe it was >> ever "part" of Internet Explorer. Up through ME you could still use File >> Manager if you chose. The file manager in Wine is styled after File Manager. >> > > They may not have shared an executable, but one could type a url into > Windows Explorer and surf, or type a local path into Internet Explorer > and browse. IE7 and IE7+ have changed that. > I never tried to put a web address into Windows Explorer. Just never occurred to me to do that. > > > >> KDE/Konqueror. Well, I suppose I've ever only used a "3" release so I >> can't really say which is better or worse. However, My better half says >> I'm anal. When I do something I take great pains to get it RIGHT. From >> what I see on this, and other lists, "I" would not have released KDE4 as >> a "release" maybe an "rc". I think there are just to many things that >> aren't completed yet. >> > > The problem is, that the testers pool was saturated. Nobody new was > installing the RCs, so no bugs were being found. Now that the > installation base is widening, and the usage patterns are more > diverse, more bugs are being discovered. This is rather typical of > point-o releases in my experience. Did nobody here install Firefox > 2.0.0.0? Open Office 2.0? Windows Vista? > I can totally understand that. The beta/rc testing pool would be limited in equipment and usage. They probably didn't hammer it in ways that everyday users will. Firefox 2.0.0 came and went with very little fan fair as far as I was concerned. There were a couple minor annoyances but I just ignored them and went on. OOo I use very little so probably wouldn't have noticed any problem with it either. Vista, well...........I did install it for about three days. Played with it VERY sparingly. Then dumped it into the trash where it belongs. > > > Dotan Cohen > From nepal.roade at virgin.net Sun Jan 13 20:58:24 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:58:24 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A78A1.10404@swbell.net> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801131211j6a4bbd8chb9a31a4643228bbf@mail.gmail.com> <478A78A1.10404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801132058.24680.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > > They may not have shared an executable, but one could > > type a url into Windows Explorer and surf, or type a > > local path into Internet Explorer and browse. IE7 and > > IE7+ have changed that. > >   wasn't that the whole point of M$s idea of the integrated desktop so that one could do both file opertions and browsing via a single interface. nepal. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 13 23:22:20 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:22:20 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Note: I love KDE and I'm rather dedicated to the software. However, I > see many arbitrary decisions, such as this one, that seem to follow > similar arbitrary decisions from MS. Guess how I feel about that? Can't disagree with that principle. My first reaction to KDE4 was "Oh look, they're copying Windows Vista, with the little clock and everything." -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 13 23:35:11 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:35:11 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A68D8.2000005@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> <478A68D8.2000005@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801131835.11417.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > Exactly. It sounds like it's probably true. I don't really care so much about graphical file managers anyway, but when Kubuntu got "Dolphin" I did ditch it immediately, like after less than 30 seconds. Barf. But it sounds like the real Dolphin really shouldn't be that lame: http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ (I'm not planning to let KDE4 off of its live CD anytime soon though. I have other irons in the fire, and don't have time to fool with that right now.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 23:39:01 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:39:01 -0800 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 3:22 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > Note: I love KDE and I'm rather dedicated to the software. However, I > > see many arbitrary decisions, such as this one, that seem to follow > > similar arbitrary decisions from MS. Guess how I feel about that? > > Can't disagree with that principle. My first reaction to KDE4 was "Oh look, > they're copying Windows Vista, with the little clock and everything." How is the clock Vista-specific? I saw that in a ton of places long before Vista. gkrellem and similar applications (dekoration IIRC) had it long before Longhorn started rearing its ugly head. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman John 3:16! If Microsoft is the Wal*Mart of the Software World, then Linux is the Home Depot From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 13 23:39:04 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:39:04 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801131205t48251870w26662ac936135c82@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bed467e0801131013i26f83f32y96b3f8f37947e731@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801131205t48251870w26662ac936135c82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801131839.04138.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, Andrew. We did come to that same conclusion earlier on the list. Oh shut up before I punch you in the head again! You have a lot of nerve trying to lecture other people when you live in a country that writes everything backwards, with weird squiggly little letters, surrounded by lots of other countries that write everything backwards, with even weirder and squigglier little letters that have lots of crazy dots on top of them. Proof positive that you don't know what you're talking about. Especially when it comes to women. It's always about the women you know. (There. That's the normal me again. ) -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Jan 13 23:52:01 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:52:01 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote: > How is the clock Vista-specific? I saw that in a ton of places long > before Vista. gkrellem and similar applications (dekoration IIRC) had > it long before Longhorn started rearing its ugly head. They never had a desktop analog clock widget in, what, over a decade of development. Vista comes up with a desktop analog clock widget, and then so does KDE? Coincidence? I doubt it. I've only looked at both Vista and KDE4 briefly, but my quick impression of both was that the one seemed to be taking cues from the other. If this is true, it's not a crime. I'm still a jabbering KDE fanboy zealot who worships the KDE project, so calm down. -- D. Michael McIntyre From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 23:57:35 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:57:35 -0800 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 3:52 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote: > > How is the clock Vista-specific? I saw that in a ton of places long > > before Vista. gkrellem and similar applications (dekoration IIRC) had > > it long before Longhorn started rearing its ugly head. > > They never had a desktop analog clock widget in, what, over a decade of > development. Vista comes up with a desktop analog clock widget, and then so > does KDE? Coincidence? I'm pretty sure deKorator had one. > I doubt it. AIGLX/Xgl stole Expose. You're point? > I've only looked at both Vista and KDE4 briefly, but my quick impression of > both was that the one seemed to be taking cues from the other. Gee, they all have mice, cursors, windows, a taskbar, and a button that pulls up a larger menu of stuff to do. I'm just waiting for a OSS OS X clone :) > If this is true, it's not a crime. I'm still a jabbering KDE fanboy zealot > who worships the KDE project, so calm down. According to MS, Linux and all attached/associated projects are a crime. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman John 3:16! If Microsoft is the Wal*Mart of the Software World, then Linux is the Home Depot From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Jan 14 00:40:03 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:40:03 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801131940.03230.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote: > You're point? My point is that KDE4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista, and it doesn't really matter a rat's ass where the clock came from, does it? The first time I saw the clock, and the whole concept of putting little widgets on the desktop was in Windows Vista. The next time I saw the clock, and the whole concept of putting little widgets on the desktop was in the KDE 4 live CD. Therefore KDE 4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista. It doesn't matter if Babbage's difference engine had a clock widget on its desktop; this is still the sequence of exposure to the concept I experienced, and that sequence is totally indisputable. Therefore, KDE4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista. There is no possible argument here to counter the assertion that, as I asserted previously, it appears from my perspective that KDE is following Microsoft's lead. That might not be true, and I am not asserting that it is. Merely that is appears that way from my perspective. Which it does, indisputably. End of discussion. -- D. Michael McIntyre From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 23:19:04 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:19:04 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <2542977.kBtM01NEDQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > TED FISCHER wrote: >> >> Before Dolphin came out with 7.10 Konq was both a file manager and a web >> browser! and it worked well. for some unkown reason, to most of us, they >> created Dolphin to be a File manager. they must have striped some of the >> functionality out of Konq for KDE4. >> > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of > Dolphin to manage files. > The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why can't I use > Firefox to move a file from one place to another", the answer is to use > a file manager instead. Of COURSE it's a bug! We like Konqueror as the wonderful swiss-army knife it's always been. If it becomes impossible to browse _files_ with it in future, I may very well just give up on KDE. I'm well aware that there are people who believe that Web browsers shouldn't manage files. They have Nautilus and Firefox, and I'll be damned disappointed if KDE's going the same way. As for "it uses parts of Dolphin to manage files", that sucks. It's always been Konqueror's strength that it can swallow applications whole, and I see no reason Dolphin should be crippled inside Konqueror. -- derek From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Jan 14 01:06:11 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:06:11 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111008.40648.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478AB583.6000602@stdin.me.uk> Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > I do each step by always get the same error; > Can't install kdebase-kde4, becouse exist dependencies not matched. > > Try installing "kdebase-bin-kde4" first, or just do a full update. (and can you please not top-post, it disrupts the flow of a thread) From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 12 23:23:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:23:31 -0400 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) References: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <2431591.mvkqxQLJSQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > 1. attempting to run anything that requires kdesu wont work as kdesu is > apparently broken. I can make them work by starting a konsole and running > them with kdesudo, but this is not that great. How do we fix this? Since Gutsy, kdesu has only been a link to kdesudo, anyway. If I have it right, installing kdesudo moves kdesu to kdesu.distrib, and then creates the symlink. > 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging in? How do we > restart apps like that when logging in? !!! I really wish they'd worked the bugs out of network-manager _before_ they'd pushed it on us. I like it, I really do, but it _still_ isn't as good as it should be. -- derek From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Jan 14 01:13:52 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:13:52 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2542977.kBtM01NEDQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <2542977.kBtM01NEDQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801132013.52764.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:19:04 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > TED FISCHER wrote: > >> Before Dolphin came out with 7.10 Konq was both a file manager and a web > >> browser! and it worked well. for some unkown reason, to most of us, they > >> created Dolphin to be a File manager. they must have striped some of the > >> functionality out of Konq for KDE4. > > > > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of > > Dolphin to manage files. > > The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why can't I use > > Firefox to move a file from one place to another", the answer is to use > > a file manager instead. > > Of COURSE it's a bug! We like Konqueror as the wonderful swiss-army knife > it's always been. If it becomes impossible to browse _files_ with it in > future, I may very well just give up on KDE. > > I'm well aware that there are people who believe that Web browsers > shouldn't manage files. They have Nautilus and Firefox, and I'll be damned > disappointed if KDE's going the same way. > > As for "it uses parts of Dolphin to manage files", that sucks. It's always > been Konqueror's strength that it can swallow applications whole, and I see > no reason Dolphin should be crippled inside Konqueror. > -- > derek At least I am not the only one who reported this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155349 -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 00:59:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:59:31 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801120024r70bf6c54re9a9df0803e5876e@mail.gmail.com> <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1637032.iknHYyK4o9@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> That was certainly not anti-American drivel. It was factual >> observation, with no intention of insulting. Actually, I'm not sure >> how you could have been offended. What, specifically, was offensive? > > I have real difficulty understanding that myself. Well, I'm not American, and have little use for American culture myself, and even actually agree with some of his "observations", but that doesn't mean it's polite to say what he said. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 02:33:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:33:17 -0400 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention References: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801112019.11336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> Larry Hartman wrote: > I don't have the whole conversation to see who said what to whom, not sure > it matters, not into reading others angry words for fun. > > I just want to say that I sorry to see several people whom have been > preeminently helpful and useful to the greater Kubuntu List--and folks who > have earned my respect because of their help toward me--get tangled up > with each other in this discussion. > > I am not making any judgments here, like I noted, I haven't seen the whole > discussion, just want to suggest that maybe some cool down is necessary > and perhaps this specific thread should be shut down. I HATE when people say threads should be ended. Who are you to judge? This _is_ a valuable thread, and I'm stunned at the number of people who think it's a pointless argument. Specifically we've argued about whether k3b is a useful name. I think, though Dotan decided to make personal attacks, that he has a valid point - and I think I was right that it's cultural. As far as I'm concerned - and I think it goes for anyone raised with the Anglo- advertising consciousness - a brand name is _built_, and we come to connect the brand with the product. How the name is chosen isn't important. Dotan needs names to actually have intrinsic meaning. That makes no sense to _me_, but if people really need that, we need to consider it. I'm not sure people _do_ generally need that - even in Israel, I imagine there are many products sold that have names with no intrinsic connection to the product. otoh, in Portugal last spring, I noticed products with identical branding as in North America _except_ for the name ("Tide" comes to mind), so perhaps they were renaming them to make more sense in the culture. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 02:37:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:37:54 -0400 Subject: Threading in Kmail 7.10 (kubuntu) References: <200801101552.53171.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801112018.35604.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> <4998819.rrnrNnF4A6@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801122335.06591.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <5309161.NPqLmQaODh@cedar.serverforest.com> Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Saturday 12 Jan 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> That makes a thread "watched" - I didn't say kmail doesn't have the >> ability >> to watch threads. All that does is let you mark a thread as watched, and >> I would expect to be able to filter based on it, but that's all. > > Watch a thread and then at the top right, select status 'Watched' to > filter ;) You're still missing the point. I said I could do that. However, the OP wanted to do something special with watched threads. I couldn't figure out _what_, but I do know KMail doesn't do it - because all kmail can do is watch a thread or filter it. -- derek From jrodger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 03:25:43 2008 From: jrodger at hotmail.com (James Rodger) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:25:43 +1100 Subject: I have no x windows Message-ID: I tried to fix my windows stopping (after screen went to sleep only could move mouse everything else had stopped - Running Sony Viao with Nvidia drivers) but after changing /etc/default/acpi-support my screen went blank and now I can only get to text OS. 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From bardo88 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 03:51:33 2008 From: bardo88 at gmail.com (Brad Opferman) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:51:33 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! First Experience In-Reply-To: <200801132013.52764.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <2542977.kBtM01NEDQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801132013.52764.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <478ADC45.6080804@gmail.com> My first experience with KDE4 was very pleasant, but it left me disappointed. First I was tinkering around with the bottom tool bar, which ended up forcing the clock to the far left next to the K menu. I could not find any options or configurations in my brief examination of the new system to correct this problem. Next, I encountered a problem of when I minimized windows, the wouldn't show up in the bottom bar, rather I would have to Alt-tab to access them. Next I was moving icons around on the desktop and somehow grabbed the wallpaper and started moving it around the screen. The orientation and alignment of the background was corrected with logging out and then in again. I encountered these problems which will be deterring me from using KDE4 until there are further updates. Another thing that I found quite irritating was the fact that I could not drag on the desktop to select multiple icons, it would select nothing. I found multiple icons highlighted with a hover of the mouse, which is quite annoying. I also had some problems auto aligning icons on the desktop, they would have gaps and the grid feature didn't seem to snap objects to it. Some notable features that impressed me were the fantastic layout of the new system. It is quite user friendly and elegantly designed. The wallpapers are all quite colorful and well designed. Oxygen (I believe) provides some amazing new features and makes a very pleasant experience. My final thoughts on KDE4 are that it has been clearly planned out but still has some kinks to work out before it is ready for mainstream use. The problems I encountered really frustrated me. I will stick with KDE3 until there are more bug fixes. From jjesse at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 03:54:29 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:54:29 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! First Experience In-Reply-To: <478ADC45.6080804@gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <2542977.kBtM01NEDQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801132013.52764.claydoh@midmaine.com> <478ADC45.6080804@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am really enjoy KDE4 on Gutsy as well, along with the Live CD. BOth look and act great. Couple of problems I am having are with On SCreen Display with Konverstation and a couple of minor problems. Really enjoying this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 14 04:12:54 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:12:54 +1100 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? Message-ID: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. Thanks, Clark. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Jan 14 04:16:36 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:16:36 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <478AD76D.2020809@mike-leone.com> References: <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> <478AD76D.2020809@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <200801132316.36898.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mike Leone wrote: > There's a famous story about the advertising for the Chevy Nova car in > Hispanic countries. In Spanish, "no va" means "no go". You really don't > want to call your car the "No Go" ... I think it's probably an urban legend though. It's "Nova" not "no va," and they probably have the same word "nova" we do, pertaining to star stuff. Of course it's also the same word as "nueva" without the odd Spanish spelling shifts too (nova -> nueva, ferrum -> hierro, facere -> hacer, etc.) Snopes agrees: http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp Snopes doesn't have anything to say about the Toyota MR2. I don't see anything that directly refutes the possibility that they introduced the car with that name, though this site indicates they at least changed it: http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/mr2spyder/review.html The whole emm erre duh for merde does seem a lot more plausible than the "no va" story though, so maybe it's true. Or was true. Ah, those beautiful women who think I'm a dweeb don't know what they're missing. Etymology lessons in the middle of a night of romance baby. Who needs flowers when you can talk about the archaic future subjunctive mood in Spanish? (Just as well, since I'm married to quite possibly the only female human on this entire rock who doesn't think I'm weird. As for the beautiful part, that's why Al Gore invented beer. I'm so glad she doesn't ever check up on me with google. :) ) -- D. Michael McIntyre From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jan 14 04:19:30 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:19:30 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801132316.36898.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> <478AD76D.2020809@mike-leone.com> <200801132316.36898.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/08, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I think it's probably an urban legend though. It's "Nova" not "no va," and > they probably have the same word "nova" we do, pertaining to star stuff. Of > course it's also the same word as "nueva" without the odd Spanish spelling > shifts too (nova -> nueva, ferrum -> hierro, facere -> hacer, etc.) > > Snopes agrees: > > http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp Still useful as an illustrative tool, however. > that's why Al Gore invented beer. First time I've heard that Al invented beer. :-) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 04:27:02 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:27:02 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: References: <200801132316.36898.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801132327.02817.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Michael Leone wrote: >On 1/13/08, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> I think it's probably an urban legend though. It's "Nova" not "no va," >> and they probably have the same word "nova" we do, pertaining to star >> stuff. Of course it's also the same word as "nueva" without the odd >> Spanish spelling shifts too (nova -> nueva, ferrum -> hierro, facere -> >> hacer, etc.) >> >> Snopes agrees: >> >> http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp > >Still useful as an illustrative tool, however. > >> that's why Al Gore invented beer. > >First time I've heard that Al invented beer. :-) There is prior art on beer making, by about 5800 years. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It's a poor workman who blames his tools. From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 04:32:49 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:32:49 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131940.03230.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131940.03230.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801132232.49862.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008 06:40:03 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote: > > You're point? > > My point is that KDE4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista, and it doesn't > really matter a rat's ass where the clock came from, does it? The first > time I saw the clock, and the whole concept of putting little widgets on > the desktop was in Windows Vista. The next time I saw the clock, and the > whole concept of putting little widgets on the desktop was in the KDE 4 > live CD. Therefore KDE 4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista. It doesn't > matter if Babbage's difference engine had a clock widget on its desktop; > this is still the sequence of exposure to the concept I experienced, and > that sequence is totally indisputable. Therefore, KDE4 reminds me a lot of > Windows Vista. There is no possible argument here to counter the assertion > that, as I asserted previously, it appears from my perspective that KDE is > following Microsoft's lead. > > That might not be true, and I am not asserting that it is. Merely that is > appears that way from my perspective. Which it does, indisputably. > > End of discussion. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre Sorry about this, but, I want to note a couple of things that may help your comfort level with KDE and the Desktop widgets. MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba (which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's Vista's "Sidebar". And as a side note, the best I recall from pictures I've seen, and testimony, the first Xerox "windowing" environments displayed a large analog clock on them. :-D Sorry, Michael, just *had* to say it. Don't taz me. I know this may sound blasphemous on a Linux list, but everyone has to admit that Vista is pleasing to the eyes, at least to most folks. It doesn't please anything else, and is crappy as all get out, but it does look good. Which just goes to show you, beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is to the bone. :-D Please note the above was generally meant as humor, even though it does contain some truth. (disclaimer). -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 04:38:49 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:38:49 -0600 Subject: flashplugin In-Reply-To: <200801131247.52272.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200801131247.52272.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200801132238.49454.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008 11:47:51 am Paul Kaplan wrote: > Since installing kde4, I've been getting an error message that I need to > install the flash plugin (konqueror and mozilla) when running both 3.5.7 > and 4.0.0. The flashplugin-nonfree package is installed. > > Any ideas? > Paul Not sure, but this is what I had to do on some systems. copy the flash plugin .so files from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins (libflashplayer.so & flashplayer.xpt) to /.mozilla/plugins See if that works. You may have already done this, but new users on my system were getting those same kind of errors until I did this. Not sure why, but its a fairly recent problem. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 04:56:45 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:56:45 -0600 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Sunday 13 January 2008 10:12:54 pm Clark wrote: > Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of > Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. > Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. > > Thanks, > > Clark. By Partitioning are you asking for install orders of OS's so that you can dual boot, or how to and how much to assign to, partitions? the First is fairly easy. First create a partition of whatever size you want for Windoze, then install Kubuntu (or whatever distro) second. Otherwise MS will hose up your Master Boot Record and you'll lose the ability to boot into Linux. OR Lay out the partitioning strictly for Linux, giving a fairly large portion to /home. Then use VirtualBox, or VMWare free server to create a Windoze guest. This will let you reboot it faster when Windoze crashes, and allow you to run your needed app at the same time you're running Linux. Now, for Partitioning Schemes, i.e. how much and how many partitions to use. That is a whole other ball game. Reasons: 1. Depends on How big your hard drive is. 2. Depends on What you are going to do with it. 3. Depends on who you ask about it. If I were you I would start by Googling "partition layout linux how-to" You'll find a myriad of recommendations. IBM, Linux Documentation Project, Linuxforums.org, Linuxquestions.org, Linux How-to list, just to name a few places to go. My recommendation for starter desktops is that you at least create 4 partitions for Linux: 1. " / " called "root" Give this at least 15 - 20 GB (if your hard drive is large enough) 2. "/boot" Give this no more than 100 MB as it will never need all of that. This is just for the Kernel and its needed files. 3. "/home" Give this the lion Share of the drive because this is where you are going to put just about everything. 4. "swap" Probably wont need more than 2 GB (I know I've never needed it, for desktop setups anyway). Now, you can definitely get more advanced, but that usually works for a start. This layout allows you to install a hundred different distros and not lose your data in the /home directory, keeps you from having to do extended Partitions unless you have windoze as a separate one, and is easy to keep up with. :-D. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Mon Jan 14 05:27:48 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:27:48 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801132232.49862.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/08 11:32 PM, "Howard Coles Jr." wrote: > MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba > (which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system > monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's > Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's > Vista's "Sidebar". I find it highly more likely that M$ got its idea from Apple's Dashboard who in turn probably got the idea from Karamba/SuperKaramba. :-) Now... does anyone know how to move the panel and change its size? Cant find anything in System Settings but im not totally familiar with it because I normally use kControl... From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 06:44:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:44:11 +0200 Subject: I have no x windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801140844.11249.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > drivers) but after changing /etc/default/acpi-support my screen went blank All I can offer is a copy of my Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10) version of that file. Perhaps if you replace it again things will change. root at ddm:/etc/default# cat acpi-support # Comment the next line to disable ACPI suspend to RAM ACPI_SLEEP=true # Comment the next line to disable suspend to disk ACPI_HIBERNATE=true # Change the following to "standby" to use ACPI S1 sleep, rather than S3. # This will save less power, but may work on more machines ACPI_SLEEP_MODE=mem # Add modules to this list to have them removed before suspend and reloaded # on resume. An example would be MODULES="em8300 yenta_socket" # # Note that network cards and USB controllers will automatically be unloaded # unless they're listed in MODULES_WHITELIST MODULES="" # Add modules to this list to leave them in the kernel over suspend/resume MODULES_WHITELIST="" # Should we save and restore state using the VESA BIOS Extensions? SAVE_VBE_STATE=true # The file that we use to save the vbestate VBESTATE=/var/lib/acpi-support/vbestate # Should we attempt to warm-boot the video hardware on resume? POST_VIDEO=true # Save and restore video state? # SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true # Should we switch the screen off with DPMS on suspend? USE_DPMS=true # Use Radeontool to switch the screen off? Seems to be needed on some machines # RADEON_LIGHT=true # Uncomment the next line to switch away from X and back again after resume. # This is needed for some hardware, but should be unnecessary on most. # DOUBLE_CONSOLE_SWITCH=true # Set the following to "platform" if you want to use ACPI to shut down # your machine on hibernation HIBERNATE_MODE=shutdown # Comment this out to disable screen locking on resume LOCK_SCREEN=true # Uncomment this line to have DMA disabled before suspend and reenabled # afterwards # DISABLE_DMA=true # Uncomment this line to attempt to reset the drive on resume. This seems # to be needed for some Sonys # RESET_DRIVE=true # Add services to this list to stop them before suspend and restart them in # the resume process. STOP_SERVICES="" # Restart Infra Red services on resume - off by default as it crashes some # machines RESTART_IRDA=false # Switch to laptop-mode on battery power - off by default as it causes odd # hangs on some machines ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=false # Spindown time on battery SPINDOWN_TIME=12 HTH \d -- Atheism is myth understood. -- unknown Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 06:50:33 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:50:33 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <200801132232.49862.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860801132250m5f8f448ei51aa84b7638c7aea@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008 12:27 AM, Ant Cunningham wrote: > On 1/13/08 11:32 PM, "Howard Coles Jr." wrote: > > > MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba > > (which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system > > monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's > > Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's > > Vista's "Sidebar". > > I find it highly more likely that M$ got its idea from Apple's Dashboard who > in turn probably got the idea from Karamba/SuperKaramba. :-) > > Now... does anyone know how to move the panel and change its size? Cant find > anything in System Settings but im not totally familiar with it because I > normally use kControl... I've asked the same question in #kde and #plasma on freenode and apparently the answer to both is no at least for now. From what I understand, the size is hardcoded for the time being and the whole configuration dialog system for the panel isn't due till 4.1 since plasma as a whole is a relatively new piece of code. At least that's the impression I got. (I wondered how KDE as a whole could be out of beta without a configurable panel, but it's obviously not up to me.) Also, in case anyone cares (I did), I've been told that there is no more multi-display panel. Instead you should have two separate panels - one on each display. I've had multiple (2-3) displays for many years and this seems like a bit of a regression to me. I've been told by A Siego to not ever expect that as its apparently a broken concept (who knew). -Jared From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:14:51 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:14:51 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131940.03230.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131940.03230.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801140914.51374.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > It doesn't matter if Babbage's difference engine had a clock widget on its desktop; Coffee-through-nose moment :D \d -- Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived. -- Oscar Wilde Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Mon Jan 14 07:08:13 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:08:13 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2759cf860801132250m5f8f448ei51aa84b7638c7aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/14/08 1:50 AM, "Jared Greenwald" wrote: > > I've asked the same question in #kde and #plasma on freenode and > apparently the answer to both is no at least for now. From what I > understand, the size is hardcoded for the time being and the whole > configuration dialog system for the panel isn't due till 4.1 since > plasma as a whole is a relatively new piece of code. At least that's > the impression I got. (I wondered how KDE as a whole could be out of > beta without a configurable panel, but it's obviously not up to me.) Well I guess I wont be using kde4 until 4.1... I agee it seems like a basic thing but im only a lowly web developer :-) > Also, in case anyone cares (I did), I've been told that there is no > more multi-display panel. Instead you should have two separate panels > - one on each display. I've had multiple (2-3) displays for many > years and this seems like a bit of a regression to me. I've been told > by A Siego to not ever expect that as its apparently a broken concept > (who knew). > Well I don't use multiple displays but im feering this whole new plasma pardigm will result in the removal of the Application Panel at the top of the screen ala OS X, since the first thing I do to a KDE system it to make it as much like my OS X configuration as possible. (awaits anti-apple rants) :-) From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:11:02 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:11:02 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860801132250m5f8f448ei51aa84b7638c7aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860801132311s238a5e3cge7163becc58ab57d@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008 2:08 AM, Ant Cunningham wrote: > On 1/14/08 1:50 AM, "Jared Greenwald" wrote: > > > > I've asked the same question in #kde and #plasma on freenode and > > apparently the answer to both is no at least for now. From what I > > understand, the size is hardcoded for the time being and the whole > > configuration dialog system for the panel isn't due till 4.1 since > > plasma as a whole is a relatively new piece of code. At least that's > > the impression I got. (I wondered how KDE as a whole could be out of > > beta without a configurable panel, but it's obviously not up to me.) > > Well I guess I wont be using kde4 until 4.1... I agee it seems like a basic > thing but im only a lowly web developer :-) > > > Also, in case anyone cares (I did), I've been told that there is no > > more multi-display panel. Instead you should have two separate panels > > - one on each display. I've had multiple (2-3) displays for many > > years and this seems like a bit of a regression to me. I've been told > > by A Siego to not ever expect that as its apparently a broken concept > > (who knew). > > > > Well I don't use multiple displays but im feering this whole new plasma > pardigm will result in the removal of the Application Panel at the top of > the screen ala OS X, since the first thing I do to a KDE system it to make > it as much like my OS X configuration as possible. > > (awaits anti-apple rants) :-) I'm with you on that - my fav KDE theme was baghira (still use it under KDE3). From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:40:32 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:40:32 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131835.11417.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> <478A68D8.2000005@stdin.me.uk> <200801131835.11417.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801132340r4b88593cpeb086576fe8edd3c@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > > > Exactly. > > It sounds like it's probably true. I don't really care so much about > graphical file managers anyway, but when Kubuntu got "Dolphin" I did ditch it > immediately, like after less than 30 seconds. Barf. > > But it sounds like the real Dolphin really shouldn't be that lame: > > http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ > > (I'm not planning to let KDE4 off of its live CD anytime soon though. I have > other irons in the fire, and don't have time to fool with that right now.) Thanks, I'm glad I read that. Though, in my opinion Konquerer should have stayed the file manager and the new addition should have been a separate web browser. Probably the only reason that they have done it this way is because web developers would kill the KDE devs had they come up with yet _another_ browser, even if it would be simply a rename of the kurrent KDE browser. More UAs to parse for. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:43:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:43:27 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801132343t38c553f6u3ecc21041a5575e9@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, Chris Miller wrote: > On Jan 13, 2008 3:52 PM, D. Michael McIntyre > wrote: > > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote: > > > How is the clock Vista-specific? I saw that in a ton of places long > > > before Vista. gkrellem and similar applications (dekoration IIRC) had > > > it long before Longhorn started rearing its ugly head. > > > > They never had a desktop analog clock widget in, what, over a decade of > > development. Vista comes up with a desktop analog clock widget, and then so > > does KDE? Coincidence? > > I'm pretty sure deKorator had one. I think that it first appeared in Super Karamba. At least, the SK, Vista, and KDE4 clocks all look _very_ similar. > > I doubt it. > > AIGLX/Xgl stole Expose. You're point? > > > I've only looked at both Vista and KDE4 briefly, but my quick impression of > > both was that the one seemed to be taking cues from the other. > > Gee, they all have mice, cursors, windows, a taskbar, and a button > that pulls up a larger menu of stuff to do. > > I'm just waiting for a OSS OS X clone :) ha! > > If this is true, it's not a crime. I'm still a jabbering KDE fanboy zealot > > who worships the KDE project, so calm down. > > According to MS, Linux and all attached/associated projects are a crime. Until someone finds a line of GPL code in Vista. Then they will have to legally open source the whole thing, like Linksys did. I'm waiting for that, the end of supposed security through obscurity. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:05:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:05:27 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801132343t38c553f6u3ecc21041a5575e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801132343t38c553f6u3ecc21041a5575e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> For those of us who want KDE 3.x as the standard in Kubuntu 8.04, here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 Add to it! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:07:39 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:07:39 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801131839.04138.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <9bed467e0801131013i26f83f32y96b3f8f37947e731@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801131205t48251870w26662ac936135c82@mail.gmail.com> <200801131839.04138.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801140107m787565fq558425587bac49d6@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thanks, Andrew. We did come to that same conclusion earlier on the list. > > Oh shut up before I punch you in the head again! > > You have a lot of nerve trying to lecture other people when you live in a > country that writes everything backwards, with weird squiggly little letters, > surrounded by lots of other countries that write everything backwards, with > even weirder and squigglier little letters that have lots of crazy dots on > top of them. > > Proof positive that you don't know what you're talking about. Especially when > it comes to women. > > It's always about the women you know. > > (There. That's the normal me again. ) I'm going to take that with a laugh. I think that was the intention. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:09:04 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:09:04 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <1637032.iknHYyK4o9@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801120024r70bf6c54re9a9df0803e5876e@mail.gmail.com> <200801121113.38973.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1637032.iknHYyK4o9@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801140109i3a62aa15q5da9c95eda8b40bf@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > >> That was certainly not anti-American drivel. It was factual > >> observation, with no intention of insulting. Actually, I'm not sure > >> how you could have been offended. What, specifically, was offensive? > > > > I have real difficulty understanding that myself. > > Well, I'm not American, and have little use for American culture myself, and > even actually agree with some of his "observations", but that doesn't mean > it's polite to say what he said. I didn't mean to be impolite. However, my nature is scientific: straight and to the point. No sugar coating. I apologize for my irresponsible choice of words. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 14 09:09:57 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:09:57 +0100 Subject: kubuntu hardy 64 bits kde4 Message-ID: <478B26E5.50607@free.fr> there is an annoying thing when updating kde4 on hardy 64 : It delete all kde4 !!! It doesn't do it on 32 bits I guess I have to wait the new debs but is there not a way to not delete kde4 while a new version or updating is coming ? or must I not update ? thanks Henri From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:13:42 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:13:42 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801112019.11336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801140113r2bca90a6i1f69562f4b5b8809@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > I HATE when people say threads should be ended. Who are you to judge? This > _is_ a valuable thread, and I'm stunned at the number of people who think > it's a pointless argument. > > Specifically we've argued about whether k3b is a useful name. I think, > though Dotan decided to make personal attacks, that he has a valid point - > and I think I was right that it's cultural. No, please, that was not a personal attack! Merely a bad choice of words on my point. > As far as I'm concerned - and > I think it goes for anyone raised with the Anglo- advertising > consciousness - a brand name is _built_, and we come to connect the brand > with the product. How the name is chosen isn't important. Dotan needs > names to actually have intrinsic meaning. That makes no sense to _me_, but > if people really need that, we need to consider it. I'm not sure people > _do_ generally need that - even in Israel, I imagine there are many > products sold that have names with no intrinsic connection to the product. > otoh, in Portugal last spring, I noticed products with identical branding > as in North America _except_ for the name ("Tide" comes to mind), so > perhaps they were renaming them to make more sense in the culture. That's why the Chevy "Nova" was not called "Nova" in South America. "No va" means "doesn't go" in Spanish, so far as I've been told. And "Coca-Cola" is "Goka-Kola" or something similar in China, so that the meaning will be "happiness in the mouth" instead of "frog in the mouth". "Amkor" refrigerators did not sell very well in Turkey, from what I understand, as "Am" is mother, and "kor" is a part of her that is not very nice to say in public. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:15:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:15:37 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <478AD76D.2020809@mike-leone.com> References: <880dece00801110510s402be8c2hb7843147c2bf727a@mail.gmail.com> <200801111825.49078.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801112019.11336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> <478AD76D.2020809@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801140115yd62d615k5f875bc5c178df84@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: > There's a famous story about the advertising for the Chevy Nova car in > Hispanic countries. In Spanish, "no va" means "no go". You really don't > want to call your car the "No Go" ... > Sorry, I should have read all the replies before posting... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:35:32 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:35:32 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <880dece00801140113r2bca90a6i1f69562f4b5b8809@mail.gmail.com> References: <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801140113r2bca90a6i1f69562f4b5b8809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141135.32282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> And let's not forget that old vacuum cleaner "Electrolux", the tagline for it was "Nothing **sucks** like Electrolux" :D Boy did that ever make an impression. \d -- Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From cary at bielenberg.id.au Mon Jan 14 09:38:08 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (cary Bielenberg) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:38:08 +1000 Subject: kubuntu hardy 64 bits kde4 In-Reply-To: <478B26E5.50607@free.fr> References: <478B26E5.50607@free.fr> Message-ID: <478B2D80.4010008@bielenberg.id.au> Girard Henri wrote: > there is an annoying thing when updating kde4 on hardy 64 : It delete > all kde4 !!! It doesn't do it on 32 bits > I guess I have to wait the new debs but is there not a way to not delete > kde4 while a new version or updating is coming ? > or must I not update ? > thanks > Henri > > > I got hit! back to kde3 for a while:-( Cary From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:43:31 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:43:31 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801141135.32282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <5217576.cMVKZ6P4MN@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00801140113r2bca90a6i1f69562f4b5b8809@mail.gmail.com> <200801141135.32282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B2EC3.1010304@gmail.com> Donn wrote: > And let's not forget that old vacuum cleaner "Electrolux", the tagline for it > was "Nothing **sucks** like Electrolux" :D Boy did that ever make an > impression. I suspect that was because Electrolux initially was Swedish and us guys in those days did not really have the understanding of what you might call "slang" or "deep" English. Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:59:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:59:06 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <478B2EC3.1010304@gmail.com> References: <200801141135.32282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478B2EC3.1010304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141159.06882.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I suspect that was because Electrolux initially was Swedish and us guys > in those days did not really have the understanding of what you might > call "slang" or "deep" English. I still recall seeing the ads in cinemas, before the movie; a deep red carpet with dirt on it. The vacuum passes across and HUGE letters, and exuberant voice-over, declared the tag line. The entire cinema was in uncontrolled laughter. It was classic :D \d -- With soap, baptism is a good thing. -- Robert Green Ingersoll Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 14 09:57:59 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:57:59 +1100 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B3227.8080408@optusnet.com.au> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008 10:12:54 pm Clark wrote: > >> Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of >> Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. >> Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Clark. >> > > By Partitioning are you asking for install orders of OS's so that you can dual > boot, or how to and how much to assign to, partitions? > > the First is fairly easy. > First create a partition of whatever size you want for Windoze, then install > Kubuntu (or whatever distro) second. Otherwise MS will hose up your Master > Boot Record and you'll lose the ability to boot into Linux. > > OR > > Lay out the partitioning strictly for Linux, giving a fairly large portion > to /home. Then use VirtualBox, or VMWare free server to create a Windoze > guest. This will let you reboot it faster when Windoze crashes, and allow > you to run your needed app at the same time you're running Linux. > > Now, for Partitioning Schemes, i.e. how much and how many partitions to use. > That is a whole other ball game. > Reasons: > 1. Depends on How big your hard drive is. > 2. Depends on What you are going to do with it. > 3. Depends on who you ask about it. > > If I were you I would start by Googling "partition layout linux how-to" > > You'll find a myriad of recommendations. IBM, Linux Documentation Project, > Linuxforums.org, Linuxquestions.org, Linux How-to list, just to name a few > places to go. > > My recommendation for starter desktops is that you at least create 4 > partitions for Linux: > 1. " / " called "root" Give this at least 15 - 20 GB (if your hard drive is > large enough) > 2. "/boot" Give this no more than 100 MB as it will never need all of that. > This is just for the Kernel and its needed files. > 3. "/home" Give this the lion Share of the drive because this is where you > are going to put just about everything. > 4. "swap" Probably wont need more than 2 GB (I know I've never needed it, > for desktop setups anyway). > > Now, you can definitely get more advanced, but that usually works for a start. > This layout allows you to install a hundred different distros and not lose > your data in the /home directory, keeps you from having to do extended > Partitions unless you have windoze as a separate one, and is easy to keep up > with. :-D. > > I opted for Kubuntu 7.10 to load (2 weeks ago - first Linux) without a partition, deleting my Ms completely. I recall seeing some options to establish partitions when I put the Canonical disk in initially but was unsure of my options so postponed the decision till later. I haven't been able to find the Partitioning software on the disk since. Now I realise that your suggestions above are a more rational approach and I'll do some reading at the referred sites in the hope of getting a better idea how to do it and more to the point what it all means. Thanks for the suggestions and references, Clark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 10:36:26 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:36:26 +0200 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <478B3227.8080408@optusnet.com.au> References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B3227.8080408@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801141236.26289.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'll do some reading at the referred sites in the hope of getting a > better idea how to do it and more to the point what it all means. Partitioning is a pretty fundamental thing - it leaves you with a hard drive 'cut up' into sections. My stress always goes through the roof when I have to do it because it's not something that happens all the time, only every few years when I happen to get a new drive. I think, if you don't mind wiping your data (please backup first), your best bet is to boot off the Gutsy (or whatever) CD and do what you did before, only this time use the partitioning wizard that comes up during the install process. I think it has help too. Use howard's advice on sizes etc. These are my settings: Partition 1 18Gb, mount point / (which is root), Type ext3 (which is a good choice for the filesystem type) Partition 2 1Gb, mount none, Type swap (the swap file has it's own type) Partition 3 XXGb (the rest), mount point /home, Type ext3 Then continue with the install. *IF* you want to dual-boot with Windows, then you *must* install Windows first. I can't recall how Win handles partitioning, it should be part of the deal on installation. You could make all the partitions needed for Kubuntu at that time (from Windows setup) too. Just make one extra one for the Windows C: drive. NOTE: After 3 "primary" partitions, things get horrible. One has to create "virtual" partitions within one of the primaries. So, if you are going with Windows too, then you need 4 partitions, so divide your first partition into two and make one / (root) and one swap. You should expect to do this several times before you get a clue :) You should also expect to then forget it all until next time. Repeat :) HTH \d -- "Like computer viruses, successful mind viruses will tend to be hard for their victims to detect. If you are the victim of one, the chances are that you won't know it, and may even vigorously deny it." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Mon Jan 14 10:44:39 2008 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:44:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> from "Clark" at Jan 14, 2008 03:12:54 PM Message-ID: <200801141044.CAA10506@xpresso.seaslug.org> On Sun Jan 13 20:12:54 2008 Clark wrote: >Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of >Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. >Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. > >Thanks, > >Clark. > >-- >kubuntu-users mailing list >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. > >Thanks, > >Clark. If you're dealling with kubuntu 7.04, hang it up; It's completely incapable of dealling with anything more complicated than a, "swap", partition, and a single, "/", partition, which contains everything. _ANY_ attempt to create more partitions, using any of the available file systems, simply generates a bazillion arcane mounting errors on bootup. Sometimes you can get past these, but they'll still bite you in the butt when you try to install software, or do anything else complex. 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LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!! ******************************************************************************** From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 10:39:45 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:39:45 +0200 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801141159.06882.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801141135.32282.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478B2EC3.1010304@gmail.com> <200801141159.06882.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801140239j48ffe87cufc9e0ce2d356931f@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > I suspect that was because Electrolux initially was Swedish and us guys > > in those days did not really have the understanding of what you might > > call "slang" or "deep" English. > I still recall seeing the ads in cinemas, before the movie; a deep red carpet > with dirt on it. The vacuum passes across and HUGE letters, and exuberant > voice-over, declared the tag line. The entire cinema was in uncontrolled > laughter. It was classic :D And you remember it. THAT'S good advertising. They might not have been as naive as you think. How about "KDE: The desktop that sucks!" Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 10:49:24 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:49:24 -0500 Subject: KDE Programs Naming Convention In-Reply-To: <200801132316.36898.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <478AD76D.2020809@mike-leone.com> <200801132316.36898.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801140549.24299.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> The nova story is an example of an advertising oversight. I lived through the advertising in Puerto Rico and it was used as a simple joke. The joke ran its course, several months, and that was about it. Companies are now quite aware of such possible 'gotcha' labeling and do a better job of checking the meaning of words in local languages. On Sunday 13 January 2008 23:16:36 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mike Leone wrote: > > There's a famous story about the advertising for the Chevy Nova car in > > Hispanic countries. In Spanish, "no va" means "no go". You really don't > > want to call your car the "No Go" ... > > I think it's probably an urban legend though. It's "Nova" not "no va," and > they probably have the same word "nova" we do, pertaining to star stuff. > Of course it's also the same word as "nueva" without the odd Spanish > spelling shifts too (nova -> nueva, ferrum -> hierro, facere -> hacer, > etc.) > > Snopes agrees: > > http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp > > Snopes doesn't have anything to say about the Toyota MR2. I don't see > anything that directly refutes the possibility that they introduced the car > with that name, though this site indicates they at least changed it: > > http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/mr2spyder/review.html > > The whole emm erre duh for merde does seem a lot more plausible than the > "no va" story though, so maybe it's true. Or was true. > > Ah, those beautiful women who think I'm a dweeb don't know what they're > missing. Etymology lessons in the middle of a night of romance baby. Who > needs flowers when you can talk about the archaic future subjunctive mood > in Spanish? > > (Just as well, since I'm married to quite possibly the only female human on > this entire rock who doesn't think I'm weird. As for the beautiful part, > that's why Al Gore invented beer. I'm so glad she doesn't ever check up on > me with google. :) ) > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 11:13:29 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:13:29 -0500 Subject: flashplugin In-Reply-To: <200801132238.49454.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200801131247.52272.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200801132238.49454.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801140613.30102.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008 11:38:49 pm Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008 11:47:51 am Paul Kaplan wrote: > > Since installing kde4, I've been getting an error message that I need to > > install the flash plugin (konqueror and mozilla) when running both 3.5.7 > > and 4.0.0. The flashplugin-nonfree package is installed. > > > > Any ideas? > > Paul > > Not sure, but this is what I had to do on some systems. > copy the flash plugin .so files from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins > (libflashplayer.so & flashplayer.xpt) to /.mozilla/plugins > See if that works. You may have already done this, but new users on my > system were getting those same kind of errors until I did this. Not sure > why, but its a fairly recent problem. > Interesting. libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt are already found in /.mozilla/plugins. However they are not to be found in /usr/lib/firefoxplugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins. Also, libflashplayer.so is listed as one of the installed konqueror plugins. Nevertheless, flash won't work in either konqi or mozilla. ??? Still frustrated. Paul From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Jan 14 11:19:57 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:19:57 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801132343t38c553f6u3ecc21041a5575e9@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > For those of us who want KDE 3.x as the standard in Kubuntu 8.04, here > is the bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 > > Add to it! > > Dotan Cohen > > Please note Kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release, so that bug is invalid. Also if you just upgrade from 7.10, you'll still have KDE3. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:21:05 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:21:05 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801132343t38c553f6u3ecc21041a5575e9@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B45A1.1030502@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > For those of us who want KDE 3.x as the standard in Kubuntu 8.04, here > is the bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 > > Add to it! > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? I commented and the following happened: "Kubuntu 8.04 will not be LTS anyway ** Changed in: meta-kde (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid" done by some Terence Simpson Sinclair From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:30:58 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:30:58 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 14 January 2008 05:19:57 am Terence Simpson wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > For those of us who want KDE 3.x as the standard in Kubuntu 8.04, here > > is the bug: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 > > > > Add to it! > > > > Dotan Cohen > > Please note Kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release, so that bug is invalid. > Also if you just upgrade from 7.10, you'll still have KDE3. They took away the LTS just because of KDE. STUPID! Keep KDE4 at a distance, or an "also can do" and keep Kubuntu at an equal level of release with the main Ubuntu distro. Otherwise things get very disjointed, and Kubuntu loses even more ground. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:37:03 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:37:03 -0600 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <200801141044.CAA10506@xpresso.seaslug.org> References: <200801141044.CAA10506@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <200801140537.03822.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 14 January 2008 04:44:39 am Bill Vance wrote: > On Sun Jan 13 20:12:54 2008 Clark wrote: > >Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of > >Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. > >Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Clark. > > > >-- > >kubuntu-users mailing list > >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Wine is way too > > exotic for me at this stage. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Clark. > > If you're dealling with kubuntu 7.04, hang it up; It's completely > incapable of dealling with anything more complicated than a, "swap", > partition, and a single, "/", partition, which contains everything. _ANY_ > attempt to create more partitions, using any of the available file systems, > simply generates a bazillion arcane mounting errors on bootup. Sometimes > you can get past these, but they'll still bite you in the butt when you try > to install software, or do anything else complex. > > Bill > That's funny, the partitioning Scheme I recommended I have used on every desktop I have setup for years. going back to 6.06 in Kubuntu, and SuSE 8 - 10, etc. I've never encountered problems like those. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:54:06 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:54:06 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS Message-ID: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks about this. I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in 7.10 what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might send a message to him and the other developers this way. Sinclair From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Mon Jan 14 12:01:27 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:01:27 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080114120127.4bdc738b.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:54:06 +0200 "O. Sinclair" wrote: > This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks > about this. > > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 > > what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might > send a message to him and the other developers this way. > > Sinclair > I have been reading the emails about KDE4, and it must be one of the biggest threads ever on the list. My thoughts are that I will not consider KDE4 until it has had a lot more work on it. I am planning to install Hardy when it is ready, but only if I can have it with KDE3.5, otherwise I won't bother. So I fully agree with you. Your poll has started with a yes. Neil Winchurst From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:13:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:13:06 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141413.06890.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 I'll take a longer view and say that my experience with Dapper was pretty cruddy after 2 years and I had to jump ship up to Gutsy anyway. I don't really *get* the whole LTS thing, but that could be because I develop some code now and then and get irked by old libs. I won't be bugging anyone to mess with their plans. \d -- "Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 14 12:09:11 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:09:11 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B50E7.7040806@free.fr> Personnally I think that's not a good option :) kde4 works fine and in few months should be much better :) It"s better to put all efforts improving kde4 O. Sinclair wrote: > This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks > about this. > > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 > > what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might > send a message to him and the other developers this way. > > Sinclair > > From balazs at rainstorm.org Mon Jan 14 12:22:13 2008 From: balazs at rainstorm.org (=?utf-8?q?H=C3=A9der_Bal=C3=A1zs?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:22:13 +0100 Subject: kde4 screen lock error Message-ID: <200801141322.14167.balazs@rainstorm.org> Hi, Has anybody managed to lock the screen under KDE 4? I've installed KDE 4.0.0 from http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu If I pushed screen lock button, the following error message appears: "Will not lock the screen, as unlocking would be impossible: No appropriate greeter plugin configured." Best Regards, Balázs Héder From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 13:12:58 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:58 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B5FDA.5090307@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks > about this. > > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 > > what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might > send a message to him and the other developers this way. > > Sinclair > > As far as i know, 8.04 will not become LTS. As for KDE4 as option - i think it is reasonable to leave KDE3.5 as option. At least for first Ubuntu release after KDE4 released. From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Jan 14 13:22:32 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:22:32 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B5FDA.5090307@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <478B5FDA.5090307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801140822.32868.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Monday 14 January 2008 8:12:58 am Alexander Smirnov wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > > This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks > > about this. > > > > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > > 7.10 > > > > what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might > > send a message to him and the other developers this way. > > > > Sinclair > > As far as i know, 8.04 will not become LTS. > > As for KDE4 as option - i think it is reasonable to leave KDE3.5 as > option. At least for first Ubuntu release after KDE4 released. Yes, *Canonical* (and not the Kubuntu dev(s) iirc) made the decision to not have a Kubuntu LTS. Yes, you will be able to choose KDE versions in Hardy, though I don't know if they have decided which will be the default, or maybe separate cd images, or whatever. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 13:23:28 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:23:28 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B5FDA.5090307@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <478B5FDA.5090307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B6250.8040006@gmail.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks >> about this. >> >> I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not >> being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. >> KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in >> 7.10 >> >> what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might >> send a message to him and the other developers this way. >> >> Sinclair >> >> > As far as i know, 8.04 will not become LTS. No - and that is one thing I think is wrong since this is due to putting a, from all mail I can see, fairly unstable and unfinished KDE4 as some sort of main option instead of KDE3.5. Not too late to change I hope. > > As for KDE4 as option - i think it is reasonable to leave KDE3.5 as > option. At least for first Ubuntu release after KDE4 released. I wouldn't want KDE4 as "main" until KDE PIM is ported and a lot of other apps. Wait until 4.1 or so I think. Sinclair From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:29:41 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:29:41 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <20080114120127.4bdc738b.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <1594280.p3ZXRIY1Ta@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been reading the emails about KDE4, and it must be one of the > biggest threads ever on the list. My thoughts are that I will not > consider KDE4 until it has had a lot more work on it. I am planning to > install Hardy when it is ready, but only if I can have it with KDE3.5, > otherwise I won't bother. Same here. I count 173 posts to the list in ~36 hours. > > So I fully agree with you. Your poll has started with a yes. But that doesn't make any sense. There's just no way to make a Kubuntu 8.04 LTS with or without KDE 4. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:23:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:23:03 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <478B5FDA.5090307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1443304.tXvNZQs71Q@cedar.serverforest.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks >> about this. >> >> I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not >> being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. >> KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in >> 7.10 >> >> what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might >> send a message to him and the other developers this way. >> > As far as i know, 8.04 will not become LTS. He didn't say it would - but he wants one, and I imagine there are quite a few people who feel that way. I don't think it's really possible - there won't be enough resources to maintain KDE 3.5 for an LTS, but there is no possibility that KDE 4 will be _ready_ for an LTS in April. Perhaps, it might be more reasonable that Kubuntu 8.10 be declared an LTS - but I suspect that is just as problematic, as it would mean maintaining all the common Ubuntu/Kubuntu components for the long-term, too. > > As for KDE4 as option - i think it is reasonable to leave KDE3.5 as > option. At least for first Ubuntu release after KDE4 released. It's not looking, at this time, as if KDE4 can even _be_ an option in 8.04. -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 13:35:25 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:35:25 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <1594280.p3ZXRIY1Ta@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <20080114120127.4bdc738b.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1594280.p3ZXRIY1Ta@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <478B651D.6000200@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> I have been reading the emails about KDE4, and it must be one of the >> biggest threads ever on the list. My thoughts are that I will not >> consider KDE4 until it has had a lot more work on it. I am planning to >> install Hardy when it is ready, but only if I can have it with KDE3.5, >> otherwise I won't bother. > > Same here. I count 173 posts to the list in ~36 hours. >> So I fully agree with you. Your poll has started with a yes. > > But that doesn't make any sense. There's just no way to make a Kubuntu 8.04 > LTS with or without KDE 4. Why? As someone posted that is a Canonical decision Sinclair From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:36:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -0400 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801141044.CAA10506@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <1247490.Bc3B52olbN@cedar.serverforest.com> Bill Vance wrote: > On Sun Jan 13 20:12:54 2008 Clark wrote: > >>Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of >>Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. >>Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. >> > If you're dealling with kubuntu 7.04, hang it up; It's completely > incapable of dealling with anything more complicated than a, "swap", > partition, and a > single, "/", partition, which contains everything. _ANY_ attempt to > create more partitions, using any of the available file systems, simply > generates What utter crap. What have you been smoking? I've been using separate /, /home, /var, /usr and swap partitions since Warty. Since that's too many for primary partitions, I've been using a mix of Primary and Logical partitions. Since Dapper, /home, /var and /usr have even been on an LVM. I'll admit that the LVM initially caused me a few headaches, and I'm still not convinced it was necessary or even wise, but separating (at least) /var and /home from the more static partitions is always a good idea. > a bazillion arcane mounting errors on bootup. Sometimes you can get past > these, but they'll still bite you in the butt when you try to install > software, or do anything else complex. No they won't. I've _never_ had an arcane mounting error, except when trying to mount unchecked fs'es which routinely tells you they have bad superblocks (which is arcane, but easily fixed). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:41:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:41:23 -0400 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <120034130.cx8Zsf3MMm@cedar.serverforest.com> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > My recommendation for starter desktops is that you at least create 4 > partitions for Linux: > 1. " / " called "root" Give this at least 15 - 20 GB (if your hard drive > is large enough) > 2. "/boot" Give this no more than 100 MB as it will never need all of > that. This is just for the Kernel and its needed files. > 3. "/home" Give this the lion Share of the drive because this is where > you are going to put just about everything. > 4. "swap" Probably wont need more than 2 GB (I know I've never needed > it, for desktop setups anyway). This isn't a bad method, but I disagree with bothering with a partition for /boot. It complicates grub configuration (because relative paths to the boot partition become /grub..., rather than /boot/grub...) and 100MB will no doubt not always be enough. When I used to keep a /boot partition, I think I made the partition 30MB - which was more than enough. Then kernels got too big for me to be able to have a "current" and "new" kernel at the same time... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:57:46 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:57:46 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85739418.NpxeTX2adO@cedar.serverforest.com> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2008 05:19:57 am Terence Simpson wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> > For those of us who want KDE 3.x as the standard in Kubuntu 8.04, here >> > is the bug: >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 >> > >> > Add to it! >> > >> > Dotan Cohen >> >> Please note Kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release, so that bug is invalid. >> Also if you just upgrade from 7.10, you'll still have KDE3. > > They took away the LTS just because of KDE. STUPID! Keep KDE4 at a > distance, or an "also can do" and keep Kubuntu at an equal level of > release with the main Ubuntu distro. It's not "stupid" - how are they going to be able to promise to keep KDE 3.5 maintained for 3 years? (or is it 5?) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:48:00 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:48:00 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6940603.OIhi4yz5Xi@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 13/01/2008, nepal wrote: >> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: >> > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it >> > uses parts of Dolphin to manage files. >> >> Who did, and Why? what is the vested interest or is it a >> vendetta?? Who made the decision? does this apply to >> [K]ubuntu only? > > Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows > Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! > > Note: I love KDE and I'm rather dedicated to the software. However, I > see many arbitrary decisions, such as this one, that seem to follow > similar arbitrary decisions from MS. Guess how I feel about that? It's _not_ arbitrary to remove the file managing from konqueror. konqueror is a container for kparts. It always has been, so making the file management a kpart (actually, I think it already was) is reasonable. It should be technically possible to use different kparts for file management - so those who prefer midnight commander could have an mc kpart and get the file management _and_ a pretty face. What boggles the mind is replacing the existing file management with something that doesn't do half as good a job. Multiple file manager tabs and split windows are absolutely mandatory imo. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 14:05:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:05:10 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> <478A68D8.2000005@stdin.me.uk> <200801131835.11417.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801132340r4b88593cpeb086576fe8edd3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1938347.cIoF6A0Z5p@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > in my opinion Konquerer should > have stayed the file manager and the new addition should have been a > separate web browser. Probably the only reason that they have done it > this way is because web developers would kill the KDE devs had they > come up with yet _another_ browser, even if it would be simply a > rename of the kurrent KDE browser. More UAs to parse for. That may happen yet - there's talk of making Konqueror use Webkit. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 13:51:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:51:45 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801131822.20199.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801131852.01551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00801132343t38c553f6u3ecc21041a5575e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6940605.lcGcPFMG2a@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> According to MS, Linux and all attached/associated projects are a crime. > > Until someone finds a line of GPL code in Vista. Then they will have > to legally open source the whole thing, like Linksys did. I'm waiting > for that, the end of supposed security through obscurity. That will never happen. If lines of GPL code are found in Vista, MS will rewrite them - exactly as parts of Linux have been rewritten from time to time when it's found that they infringed on other licenses. The worst that could happen to MS is that they'd pay a fine. It's not similar to Linksys, who had no real interest in keeping their router source closed and realized it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 14:02:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:02:09 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > On Jan 13, 2008 9:49 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows >> Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! > > Except that never happened. They were never joined together. Of course they were. I have _always_ used IE for file browsing, just as I use Konqueror for file browsing. The difference is that Konqueror, to this point, does it better. -- derek From G.De_Leeuw at eurofer.be Mon Jan 14 14:23:10 2008 From: G.De_Leeuw at eurofer.be (Guy Deleeuw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:23:10 +0100 Subject: FOP Message-ID: <478B704E.80205@eurofer.be> Hello This mail just to report that : libbatik-java libxmlgraphics-commons-java fop does not exists on the repository of kubuntu 7.10 Regards Guy From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Mon Jan 14 14:36:51 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:36:51 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <85739418.NpxeTX2adO@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <85739418.NpxeTX2adO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801141536.51605.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> mandag den 14. Januar 2008 kvad Derek Broughton: > It's not "stupid" - how are they going to be able to promise to > keep KDE 3.5 maintained for 3 years? (or is it 5?) 3 for desktop, 5 for server. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 14:52:50 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:52:50 +0200 Subject: FOP In-Reply-To: <478B704E.80205@eurofer.be> References: <478B704E.80205@eurofer.be> Message-ID: <200801141652.50670.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > This mail just to report that : A drive-by WTF? \d -- Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From edwin7 at web.de Mon Jan 14 14:45:36 2008 From: edwin7 at web.de (Edwin Sendjaja) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:45:36 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1200321936.4649.2.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> I think there is no way to change the size or move the panel. That's what I miss.Losing the freedom ist little bit hard. =P But they said, it will be in 4.1. On Mo, 2008-01-14 at 00:27 -0500, Ant Cunningham wrote: > On 1/13/08 11:32 PM, "Howard Coles Jr." wrote: > > > MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba > > (which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system > > monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's > > Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's > > Vista's "Sidebar". > > I find it highly more likely that M$ got its idea from Apple's Dashboard who > in turn probably got the idea from Karamba/SuperKaramba. :-) > > Now... does anyone know how to move the panel and change its size? Cant find > anything in System Settings but im not totally familiar with it because I > normally use kControl... > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 14:40:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:40:19 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <20080114120127.4bdc738b.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1594280.p3ZXRIY1Ta@cedar.serverforest.com> <478B651D.6000200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4982935.fGoal2FhL0@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >>> I have been reading the emails about KDE4, and it must be one of the >>> biggest threads ever on the list. My thoughts are that I will not >>> consider KDE4 until it has had a lot more work on it. I am planning to >>> install Hardy when it is ready, but only if I can have it with KDE3.5, >>> otherwise I won't bother. >> >> Same here. I count 173 posts to the list in ~36 hours. >>> So I fully agree with you. Your poll has started with a yes. >> >> But that doesn't make any sense. There's just no way to make a Kubuntu >> 8.04 LTS with or without KDE 4. > Why? As someone posted that is a Canonical decision Because (a) KDE 4 isn't ready yet, and it seems too close to April for it to _be_ ready; and (b) where would they get the developers to maintain KDE 3.5? I suppose Mark Shuttleworth could just choose to spend his own money to hire enough staff to work full-time keeping 3.5 working... -- derek From gmane at auxbuss.com Mon Jan 14 14:51:20 2008 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:51:20 -0000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair said... > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 and make > it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 I agree wholeheartedly. Because of the upgrade problems I've had with each upgrade since the last LTS, I had decided to stick to LTS versions only from now on - unless the upgrade process becomes a lot more robust. In the circumstances, I plan on moving away from (K)ubuntu. (I stopped recommending (K)ubuntu (for non-geeks) after the first upgrade to the last LTS.) I believe that the lack of a Kubuntu LTS is a bad decision. -- Cheers, Marc From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Jan 14 15:29:42 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:29:42 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2008 05:19:57 am Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> For those of us who want KDE 3.x as the standard in Kubuntu 8.04, here >>> is the bug: >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 >>> >>> Add to it! >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >> Please note Kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release, so that bug is invalid. >> Also if you just upgrade from 7.10, you'll still have KDE3. >> > > They took away the LTS just because of KDE. STUPID! Keep KDE4 at a distance, > or an "also can do" and keep Kubuntu at an equal level of release with the > main Ubuntu distro. > > Otherwise things get very disjointed, and Kubuntu loses even more ground. > > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Jan 14 15:31:10 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:31:10 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B803E.4060909@stdin.me.uk> O. Sinclair wrote: > This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks > about this. > > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > It's not our choice. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 > > what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might > send a message to him and the other developers this way. > > Sinclair > > From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 16:46:26 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:46:26 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Crashes, Third Time Message-ID: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> Kubuntu 7.10 Bootup and Ubuntu "Boot Menu" comes up and when Kubuntu starts , Error 15: File not found. .....Press any key to continue. I press key and get same error message. This is the third time that Kubuntu has crash like this on this Laptop and I have to reinstall each time. I have XP, Fedora, and Kubuntu installed on Laptop, Fedora 8 or XP doesn't have any problems of booting from Ubuntu Boot Menu, it's just Kubuntu that crashes. From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 16:52:12 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:52:12 -0800 Subject: Kubuntu Crashes, Third Time In-Reply-To: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> References: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008 8:46 AM, Jim wrote: > Kubuntu 7.10 > Bootup and Ubuntu "Boot Menu" comes up and when Kubuntu starts , Error > 15: File not found. .....Press any key to continue. I press key and > get same error message. > > This is the third time that Kubuntu has crash like this on this Laptop > and I have to reinstall each time. > I have XP, Fedora, and Kubuntu installed on Laptop, Fedora 8 or XP > doesn't have any problems of booting from > Ubuntu Boot Menu, it's just Kubuntu that crashes. Sounds like an error in how you (or your tool) wrote the sources.list in /boot. Check settings, it's probably indicating a nonexistant kernel. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman John 3:16! If Microsoft is the Wal*Mart of the Software World, then Linux is the Home Depot From colin at Spudulike.me.uk Mon Jan 14 16:51:53 2008 From: colin at Spudulike.me.uk (Colin Murphy) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:53 +0000 Subject: KMail crashing Message-ID: <478B9329.7080903@Spudulike.me.uk> On my Ubuntu Gutsy my KMail has now started to crash, even though I've been using it since full release of 7.10. I have all my filters and lists nicely placed and would hate to lose them permanently! The application will start up but when I go to download mail it locks up, the kmail window stops responding and I have to kill the application. I thought that deleting the .lock file would help, but it didn't. I have also, through Synaptic, 're-installed' and also 'completely uninstalled + installed afresh' without finding a cure. What log files do I start to look at to try and figure out the problem? Starting KMail from a terminal gives :- colin at colin-desktop:~$ kmail & [1] 8591 colin at colin-desktop:~$ WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 1) suspended. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 2) suspended. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 4) suspended. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 3) suspended. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "move_message_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "copy_message_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "jump_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "jump_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "cancel" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "inc_current_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "dec_current_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "select_current_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "inc_current_message" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "dec_current_message" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "select_current_message" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "delete" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "edit" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "use_template" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8060f80 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "display_message" *** KMail got signal 15 (Exiting) Does this give any clues? Hope someone can help. From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 16:53:16 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:53:16 -0500 Subject: Screencapture In-Reply-To: <200801091120.34476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <79cc94fa0801090104p6ee5540em9e9c00a1e5047283@mail.gmail.com> <200801091120.34476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141153.24638.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 04:20:34 Donn wrote: > On Wednesday, 09 January 2008 11:04:46 Gert Gast wrote: > > Hi List, just a question, what do we have available for creating screen > > captures in Kubuntu? Not just single images, but making movie animations > > for tutorials etc. Camtasia is the Windows frontrunner I suppose. > > Anything like it for Linux? > > Try: > aptitude search ~dcapture > > The (very) weird ~d bit tells it to search the descriptions. Odd as heck. > On my end I see one called 'recordmydesktop'. > > I used something years ago to record stuff I was doing in Blender, but I > can't recall the name now. It was something I fetched and compiled - > fragile as glass, but it worked okay. So, there are options. > I recall an interesting program called Wink that seemed to have a lot of features. Downloaded and installed to Dapper a while ago, but never used it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 17:05:12 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:05:12 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Crashes, Third Time In-Reply-To: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> References: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200801141905.12489.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 15: File not found. .....Press any key to continue. I press key and > get same error message. You need to somehow find what file it's looking for and where it thinks it is. > This is the third time that Kubuntu has crash like this on this Laptop > and I have to reinstall each time. Don't repeat things that don't work. Better to do some digging. If you can send us more details, that will help. \d -- "The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." -- Isaac Asimov Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 16:57:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:57:55 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141157.56873.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 14 January 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks >about this. > >I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not >being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. >KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in >7.10 > >what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might >send a message to him and the other developers this way. > >Sinclair I am very much in favor of it, provided some of the bugs in 3.5.8 or 3.5.9 are alleviated. As long as the kernel is relatively fixed so us EMC2 users can concentrate on EMC2, and the desktop works too, we'll be very happy campers. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Teachers have class. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 17:14:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:14:59 +0200 Subject: KMail crashing In-Reply-To: <478B9329.7080903@Spudulike.me.uk> References: <478B9329.7080903@Spudulike.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801141914.59803.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Try renaming your Mail folder (or wherever yours is) - to get it out of the picture. Try the same for your address book. I don't know where the filters live, but same there. Perhaps something is bad in a settings file or resource, is my thinking. \d -- The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. -- Albert Einstein Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 17:08:24 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:08:24 -0500 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <200801101257.36444.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141208.30526.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 01:59:10 O. Sinclair wrote: > I think Kexi might be what you are looking for, this is from the Kexi FAQ: > "    Q1.2: How to use database servers with Kexi? >      A1.2: First, note that you do not need to use database servers at > all - you can use file-based builtin database server built into Kexi > (SQLite-based, very much like MS Access, but a bit more robust). I think there are two problems, not yet implemented in Linux as far as I know. First, apps like Kexi import access tables, and links, but not forms, reports, etc. While the programmatic implementation might be complex, this isn't much help as you can always export from access and import elsewhere. ODBC can also help solve some of the data access issues. The problem is in importing a "desktop database application" consisting of tables, forms and reports. Second, haven't seen an app that reads and writes to access so that it can be implemented in a mixed environment like OO Writer and Calc can do with Word and Excel. 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URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 17:28:51 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:28:51 -0500 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <1695269.PGupnMRCXQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080111170605.a175f165.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1695269.PGupnMRCXQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801141228.58543.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 20:58:04 Derek Broughton wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > Well, I could, except that I have seen many complaints about and > > problems with Gutsy on the list, so I am a bit wary. That is why I am > > considering the jump from Edgy to Hardy. > > LOL.  You think there will be _fewer_ complaints about Hardy??  Gutsy has > been the cleanest upgrade ever, imo. I'm going to second this. I have never had so few problems with an upgrade. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 18:01:47 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:01:47 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <4164306.BLedySE8KC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141232.30494.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1771509.GVf7DuU94J@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 10 January 2008 13:57:39 Derek Broughton wrote: >> I don't think you're _ever_ going to find that in a Linux environment. >> What's the value?  Linux users mostly don't care if it's all-in-one, and >> developers are actively against it.  It breaks the principles of using >> one tool for one action, decoupling interface from implementation, and >> enabling migration of data. > > Right, but you can do something along the lines of Kontact that integrates > the parts. I completely agree, but the OP didn't want to do that. I think something that could provide an Access type form & report front-end to any relational database is workable, desirable, and might even get the resources needed for development, but to do it in a single app, tightly coupled to the database is just not likely to happen. If somebody could figure out how to import the forms & reports from access into such a tool, it would be a dynamite app (importing the queries is trivial, and ODBC can already handle the actual data and table definitions). > The killer, at this point, in heterogeneous environments is the > inability to work with the forms, queries and reports. I agree (there are tools that will handle the query part). -- derek From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 18:14:40 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:14:40 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Crashes, Third Time In-Reply-To: References: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <478BA690.6040006@sbcglobal.net> Chris Miller wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 8:46 AM, Jim wrote: > >> Kubuntu 7.10 >> Bootup and Ubuntu "Boot Menu" comes up and when Kubuntu starts , Error >> 15: File not found. .....Press any key to continue. I press key and >> get same error message. >> >> This is the third time that Kubuntu has crash like this on this Laptop >> and I have to reinstall each time. >> I have XP, Fedora, and Kubuntu installed on Laptop, Fedora 8 or XP >> doesn't have any problems of booting from >> Ubuntu Boot Menu, it's just Kubuntu that crashes. >> > > Sounds like an error in how you (or your tool) wrote the sources.list in /boot. > > Check settings, it's probably indicating a nonexistant kernel. > > The problem is; initrd.img is being changed to a BAK files, (as shown in /boot) initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.bak initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.dpkg-bak This is the , (as shown in /boot) vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic I did a rescue and performed the below command, mv initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.bak initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic And did a reboot and it booted into Kubuntu-7.10. WHAT'S CHANGING initrd.img to a BAK file ??? From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 18:08:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:08:28 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Crashes, Third Time References: <478B91E2.3050206@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1748385.9rdEFMMNb6@cedar.serverforest.com> Chris Miller wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 8:46 AM, Jim wrote: >> Kubuntu 7.10 >> Bootup and Ubuntu "Boot Menu" comes up and when Kubuntu starts , Error >> 15: File not found. .....Press any key to continue. I press key and >> get same error message. >> >> This is the third time that Kubuntu has crash like this on this Laptop >> and I have to reinstall each time. >> I have XP, Fedora, and Kubuntu installed on Laptop, Fedora 8 or XP >> doesn't have any problems of booting from >> Ubuntu Boot Menu, it's just Kubuntu that crashes. I like how you blame Kubuntu. When did you last upgrade Fedora? This sounds very much like you're letting both Fedora and Kubuntu update the MBR, and are surprised by the results! If you're going to install two Linux distros to the same machine, you're best off installing grub to the superblock of the respective partitions, and have grub (or another bootloader) chain to them the same way you chain to Windows now (fwiw, that's _exactly_ why booting to XP isn't an issue - and booting to Fedora works because the Ubuntu installer was smart enough to know it was there. Booting to Ubuntu isn't working because the _Fedora_ installer doesn't know about Ubuntu). > Sounds like an error in how you (or your tool) wrote the sources.list in > /boot. /boot/grub/menu.lst, actually > Check settings, it's probably indicating a nonexistant kernel. Yes. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 14 18:10:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:10:51 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or > not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even though KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. -- derek From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 18:44:40 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:44:40 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008 6:10 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even > though > KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. > Yea and 3.5.8 is still included but still Canonical chose not to give it LTS support. Its nothing to do with the Kubuntu teams so they are the wrong ones to point the negativity at. Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Jan 14 19:01:41 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:01:41 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <478BB195.4040304@stdin.me.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > >> *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or >> not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. >> > > Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even though > KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. > We chose KDE4 because we aren't going to be LTS, not the other way around. From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 19:16:10 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:16:10 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4787B9A1.4070007@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <47879A53.5070201@swbell.net> <4787B9A1.4070007@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801141416.21588.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 13:46:57 Terence Simpson wrote: > It installs KDE4 along side KDE3 Which is a wonderful thing as there are little annoyances that need to be worked out, like the Konqueror profiles, etc. It seems that most of the KDE 4 apps will run in 3.5.8. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jan 14 19:29:10 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:29:10 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Monday 14 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: | Terence Simpson wrote: | > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or | > not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. | | Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even though | KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. | -- | derek And we chose to release 7.10 with KDE 4 as well (ie. the KDE 4 Live CD). KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, Canonical assumed that KDE 3.5.x wouldn't be supported come 3 years down the road, which I am sure we all know it more than likely will due to collaboration between KDE and KDAB for one (KDE Pim Enterprise). There are to many large scale KDE 3 rollouts for KDE to stop supporting KDE 3, so honestly I think this is a booboo by Canonical, but who am I to say. Even if we decided not to release KDE 4 with 8.04, Canonical still made their mind up about not shipping Kubuntu as an LTS, so point your finger at Canonical, not Kubuntu developers. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ronw at paradise.net.nz Mon Jan 14 19:32:52 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (ronw at paradise.net.nz) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:32:52 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <1771509.GVf7DuU94J@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <4164306.BLedySE8KC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141232.30494.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1771509.GVf7DuU94J@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1200339172.478bb8e4c6ea9@www.paradise.net.nz> What about the base product included with OpenOffice? Quoting Derek Broughton : > Art Alexion wrote: > > > On Thursday 10 January 2008 13:57:39 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I don't think you're _ever_ going to find that in a Linux > environment. > >> What's the value? Â Linux users mostly don't care if it's all-in-one, > and > >> developers are actively against it. Â It breaks the principles of > using > >> one tool for one action, decoupling interface from implementation, > and > >> enabling migration of data. > > > > Right, but you can do something along the lines of Kontact that > integrates > > the parts. > > I completely agree, but the OP didn't want to do that. I think something > that could provide an Access type form & report front-end to any > relational > database is workable, desirable, and might even get the resources needed > for development, but to do it in a single app, tightly coupled to the > database is just not likely to happen. > > If somebody could figure out how to import the forms & reports from > access > into such a tool, it would be a dynamite app (importing the queries is > trivial, and ODBC can already handle the actual data and table > definitions). > > > The killer, at this point, in heterogeneous environments is the > > inability to work with the forms, queries and reports. > > I agree (there are tools that will handle the query part). > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > - Ron Wilson From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 20:19:11 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:19:11 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200801141519.11963.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 16:22:42 Gene Heskett wrote: > What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 > propaganda as yet. kmail will not get an update for KDE 4 Same version as KDE 3.5. Some of the development branch made it to earlier release candidates for 4.0 in error. It is not ready for release. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 20:22:42 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:22:42 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801112318.45677.d.mcglone@att.net> <4788E878.4080907@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801141522.42494.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Saturday 12 January 2008 11:19:04 Terence Simpson wrote: > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did > you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager? And Dolphin is a pi$$ poor file manager, and yes, Konqueror — when not crippled — is among the finest file managers and among the reasons some of us use KDE at all. As a web browser konqueror can be below adequate, not just in page rendering, but also in form processing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 14 20:23:50 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:23:50 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478BB195.4040304@stdin.me.uk> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> <478BB195.4040304@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <478BC4D6.5090902@free.fr> Good idea :) I just compiled kde4 on kubuntu hardy 64 bits because the debs are n't working... Very good compiling !!! i think hardy deserves kde4 Terence Simpson a écrit : > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Terence Simpson wrote: >> >> >> >>> *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or >>> not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. >>> >>> >> Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even though >> KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. >> >> > We chose KDE4 because we aren't going to be LTS, not the other way around. > > From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 20:30:51 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:30:51 -0800 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008 10:10 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or > > not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. > > Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even though > KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. It seems stable enough to me. I just think the rest of the KDE ecosystem needs to catch up. KNetworkManager, for instance. Starting it manually isn't fun. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman John 3:16! If Microsoft is the Wal*Mart of the Software World, then Linux is the Home Depot From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 20:51:06 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:06 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130014.17631.d.mcglone@att.net> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801141551.13184.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 13 January 2008 01:19:13 Terence Simpson wrote: > >>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web > >>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me > >>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for > >>> KDE4. > >>> > >>> Dotan Cohen > >>>       > >> > >> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features. > >> (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for > >> this) > >>     > > > >  Terence, > > > > first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? > > Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me say > > RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've been > > using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a good 6 > > or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also from what > > I can see, I believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make more sense if > > dolphin was using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has been around as > > a file manager for a long long time. Matter of fact all dolphin is, is a > > stripped down and re-arranged konqueror with a different name. :-) > > > >   > > David, > To answer your questions: > 1) No > 2) No > 3) Didn't say it wasn't > 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin KPart. I hope you are wrong. Is this a Kubuntu thing or the direction of upstream KDE? IMO Dolphin is the first successful Linux virus. If you are right, it destroyed my beloved Konqueror. Is there a way to restore the KDE 4 Konqueror to the previous profiles and capabilities? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jan 14 20:59:39 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:59:39 -0500 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) In-Reply-To: <200801131240.00319.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> <200801121532.28423.lists@ptfd.org> <200801131240.00319.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <200801141559.39504.lists@ptfd.org> On Sunday 13 January 2008 06:40:00 am Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > lørdag den 12. Januar 2008 kvad Michael W. Holdeman: > > > > 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging > > > > in? How do we restart apps like that when logging in? > > > > > > I have not installed KDE4, but never the less... > > > In KDE3 there is a folder ~/.kde/Autostart/ in which one can put > > > thing one would like to - well - autostart on login. > > > > > > Has that been removed from KDE4? > > > > If it isn't removed it is moved, or just absent and needs to be > > created. \ > > If it is just moved, it should be possible to find it using one of the > file search tools. > > Have you tried that? > > Best regards :o) > > Johnny :o) Yup, Nogo.. BTW googledesktop is nogo as well :( From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jan 14 21:00:09 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:00:09 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478BC4D6.5090902@free.fr> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <478BB195.4040304@stdin.me.uk> <478BC4D6.5090902@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801141500.13310.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Monday 14 January 2008, Girard Henri wrote: | Good idea :) | I just compiled kde4 on kubuntu hardy 64 bits because the debs are n't | working... | Very good compiling !!! | i think hardy deserves kde4 | | Terence Simpson a écrit : | > Derek Broughton wrote: | >> Terence Simpson wrote: | >>> *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or | >>> not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. | >> | >> Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even | >> though KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. | > | > We chose KDE4 because we aren't going to be LTS, not the other way | > around. The debs for hardy amd64 should hopefully be working shortly. The same issue was also in the i386 builds from yesterday. I think we have fixed the bug that caused some breakage and hopefully sometime today it will all be cleared up. Sorry up the inconvenience :( It is hitting me too right now as I am trying to work on some webkit/plasma love w/o having to build out svn today :) ya, I am lazy :p -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 21:05:46 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:05:46 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801141605.52120.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 11 January 2008 09:34:09 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please report back with installation issues and usage problems I have two Dells running kubuntu gutsy side by side one is a PIII, the other a P4. KDE4 installed and runs fine on the P4. Starts and exits immediately on the P3. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From phillipd at oem.doe.gov Mon Jan 14 22:35:05 2008 From: phillipd at oem.doe.gov (Douglas Phillipson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:35:05 -0800 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801141605.52120.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801110634h401d3b83k1be0a9dce3687312@mail.gmail.com> <200801141605.52120.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <478BE399.2070709@oem.doe.gov> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 09:34:09 Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Please report back with installation issues and usage problems >> > > I have two Dells running kubuntu gutsy side by side one is a PIII, the other a > P4. KDE4 installed and runs fine on the P4. Starts and exits immediately on > the P3. > After the upgrade, is KDE 3.x still available for selection at login time? Doug P From stdin at stdin.me.uk Mon Jan 14 22:53:42 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:53:42 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801141551.13184.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801130014.17631.d.mcglone@att.net> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> <200801141551.13184.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <478BE7F6.5020102@stdin.me.uk> Art Alexion wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008 01:19:13 Terence Simpson wrote: > >>>>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web >>>>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me >>>>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for >>>>> KDE4. >>>>> >>>>> Dotan Cohen >>>>> >>>>> >>>> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features. >>>> (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for >>>> this) >>>> >>>> >>> Terence, >>> >>> first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? >>> Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me say >>> RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've been >>> using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a good 6 >>> or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also from what >>> I can see, I believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make more sense if >>> dolphin was using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has been around as >>> a file manager for a long long time. Matter of fact all dolphin is, is a >>> stripped down and re-arranged konqueror with a different name. :-) >>> >>> >>> >> David, >> To answer your questions: >> 1) No >> 2) No >> 3) Didn't say it wasn't >> 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin KPart. >> > > I hope you are wrong. Is this a Kubuntu thing or the direction of upstream > KDE? > This is from upstream KDE > IMO Dolphin is the first successful Linux virus. If you are right, it > destroyed my beloved Konqueror. > > Is there a way to restore the KDE 4 Konqueror to the previous profiles and > capabilities? > Not unless those features are added upstream From devooght at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 23:45:03 2008 From: devooght at comcast.net (Lance DeVooght) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:45:03 -0500 Subject: Two links to free Gnu/Linux ebooks. In-Reply-To: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > Thought these were nice: > http://freebooks.homelinux.org/ > and > http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/ > > > HTH > \d I just get the following when I try to access the first link: ============================================================= Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) Server at freebooks.homelinux.org Port 80 ============================================================= Lance From johndecarlo at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 01:53:57 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:53:57 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008 9:02 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > John DeCarlo wrote: > > > On Jan 13, 2008 9:49 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > >> Probably because Microsoft separated Internet Explorer from Windows > >> Explorer. Got to follow the leader, you know! > > > > Except that never happened. They were never joined together. > > Of course they were. I have _always_ used IE for file browsing, just as I > use Konqueror for file browsing. The difference is that Konqueror, to this > point, does it better. While it is true that you can use the file:/// approach in any web browser for file browsing, IE has never been able to do any sort of file management. No moving of files, no deleting of files, etc. That capability has always been separate, whether in File Manager or Windows Explorer. In other words, the two capabilities have *never* been joined together in the Windows OS, as I said. Thanks for clearing up that you meant something different from what you said. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joemburgess at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:06:19 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:06:19 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801131835.11417.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <478A4878.6080009@gmail.com> <478A68D8.2000005@stdin.me.uk> <200801131835.11417.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <478C151B.4000908@gmail.com> The more that I use the dolphin, the more that I realize that it isn't that bad except for a few things, such as tabbed browsing and the ability to make those side bars smaller! Mostly it is that I am familiar with Konqureor and it there is no Killer feature in Dolphin. -Joe D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > > > It sounds like it's probably true. I don't really care so much about > graphical file managers anyway, but when Kubuntu got "Dolphin" I did ditch it > immediately, like after less than 30 seconds. Barf. > > But it sounds like the real Dolphin really shouldn't be that lame: > > http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ > > (I'm not planning to let KDE4 off of its live CD anytime soon though. I have > other irons in the fire, and don't have time to fool with that right now.) From joemburgess at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:08:26 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:08:26 -0500 Subject: I have no x windows In-Reply-To: <200801140844.11249.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801140844.11249.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478C159A.2040601@gmail.com> For the future, that is why it is good practice to create a backup of any configuration files that you are about to change! -Joe Donn wrote: >> drivers) but after changing /etc/default/acpi-support my screen went blank > All I can offer is a copy of my Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10) version of that file. > Perhaps if you replace it again things will change. > > root at ddm:/etc/default# cat acpi-support > > # Comment the next line to disable ACPI suspend to RAM > ACPI_SLEEP=true > > # Comment the next line to disable suspend to disk > ACPI_HIBERNATE=true > > # Change the following to "standby" to use ACPI S1 sleep, rather than S3. > # This will save less power, but may work on more machines > ACPI_SLEEP_MODE=mem > > # Add modules to this list to have them removed before suspend and reloaded > # on resume. An example would be MODULES="em8300 yenta_socket" > # > # Note that network cards and USB controllers will automatically be unloaded > # unless they're listed in MODULES_WHITELIST > MODULES="" > > # Add modules to this list to leave them in the kernel over suspend/resume > MODULES_WHITELIST="" > > # Should we save and restore state using the VESA BIOS Extensions? > SAVE_VBE_STATE=true > > # The file that we use to save the vbestate > VBESTATE=/var/lib/acpi-support/vbestate > > # Should we attempt to warm-boot the video hardware on resume? > POST_VIDEO=true > > # Save and restore video state? > # SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true > > # Should we switch the screen off with DPMS on suspend? > USE_DPMS=true > > # Use Radeontool to switch the screen off? Seems to be needed on some machines > # RADEON_LIGHT=true > > # Uncomment the next line to switch away from X and back again after resume. > # This is needed for some hardware, but should be unnecessary on most. > # DOUBLE_CONSOLE_SWITCH=true > > # Set the following to "platform" if you want to use ACPI to shut down > # your machine on hibernation > HIBERNATE_MODE=shutdown > > # Comment this out to disable screen locking on resume > LOCK_SCREEN=true > > # Uncomment this line to have DMA disabled before suspend and reenabled > # afterwards > # DISABLE_DMA=true > > # Uncomment this line to attempt to reset the drive on resume. This seems > # to be needed for some Sonys > # RESET_DRIVE=true > > # Add services to this list to stop them before suspend and restart them in > # the resume process. > STOP_SERVICES="" > > # Restart Infra Red services on resume - off by default as it crashes some > # machines > RESTART_IRDA=false > > # Switch to laptop-mode on battery power - off by default as it causes odd > # hangs on some machines > ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=false > > # Spindown time on battery > SPINDOWN_TIME=12 > > > > > HTH > \d From joemburgess at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:12:02 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:12:02 -0500 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <120034130.cx8Zsf3MMm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <120034130.cx8Zsf3MMm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <478C1672.2040509@gmail.com> Also if you are wondering about partitioning after the fact, there is a great file partitioner called GParted it is pretty easy to use and you can install it with apt-get install gparted. -Joe Derek Broughton wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> My recommendation for starter desktops is that you at least create 4 >> partitions for Linux: >> 1. " / " called "root" Give this at least 15 - 20 GB (if your hard drive >> is large enough) >> 2. "/boot" Give this no more than 100 MB as it will never need all of >> that. This is just for the Kernel and its needed files. >> 3. "/home" Give this the lion Share of the drive because this is where >> you are going to put just about everything. >> 4. "swap" Probably wont need more than 2 GB (I know I've never needed >> it, for desktop setups anyway). > > This isn't a bad method, but I disagree with bothering with a partition > for /boot. It complicates grub configuration (because relative paths to > the boot partition become /grub..., rather than /boot/grub...) and 100MB > will no doubt not always be enough. When I used to keep a /boot partition, > I think I made the partition 30MB - which was more than enough. Then > kernels got too big for me to be able to have a "current" and "new" kernel > at the same time... > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:16:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:16:37 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801141816i284b728an11c4fea2ea6e12ff@mail.gmail.com> On 15/01/2008, John DeCarlo wrote: > > Of course they were. I have _always_ used IE for file browsing, just as I > > use Konqueror for file browsing. The difference is that Konqueror, to this > > point, does it better. > > While it is true that you can use the file:/// approach in any web browser > for file browsing, IE has never been able to do any sort of file management. > No moving of files, no deleting of files, etc. > > That capability has always been separate, whether in File Manager or Windows > Explorer. > > In other words, the two capabilities have *never* been joined together in > the Windows OS, as I said. > > Thanks for clearing up that you meant something different from what you > said. > That wasn't me who said that. John != Dotan In the years that I had used MS Windows (95, 98, XP), I only had one Explorer button: My Computer. It would open up to the root of the file system, and I could either browse the file system from there, or enter a url and browse the web. When I get to the university tomorrow I'll sit at an XP machine with IE6 and verify that that behaviour is still valid. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 15 02:18:55 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:18:55 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <85739418.NpxeTX2adO@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <85739418.NpxeTX2adO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801142118.55902.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 14 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > It's not "stupid" - how are they going to be able to promise to keep KDE > 3.5 maintained for 3 years? (or is it 5?) Well, since you've raised this seemingly very reasonable point several times, I've actually had a bit of a think about it. Dapper is the current LTS, and it still has some really old version of KDE. How have they managed to maintain *that* for so long? I'm not a KDE developer, so I don't have insider knowledge, but I sincerely doubt Canonical is getting any special upstream help with maintaining KDE 3.5.2, so it's just as dead and forgotten as the current 3.5 variant will be soon. It's probably not as valid an argument as it seems on the surface. More likely, they are worried that KDE 4.x will become usable in the interim, and users will start making a lot of noise like the noises we've heard here about "Why can't I install the new Firefox on Dapper?" and so forth. A support nightmare. But I don't know, and am only speculating. I'm not really worried about it one way or the other anyway, because in spite of of my intention to stick with LTS releases, it just hasn't worked out that way. Not on my computer anyway. My wife is still running Dapper. -- D. Michael McIntyre From joemburgess at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:20:36 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:20:36 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <200801141157.56873.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <200801141157.56873.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <478C1874.9080608@gmail.com> Well assuming that Canonical is not going to LTS the Kubuntu release, and I assume only the Ubuntu release will be an LTS. As for having 3.5 as an option, I think that is a very good idea. I know that making it an option in the installer might be difficult, but I mean just keeping the packages for 3.5 around, and having it be pretty easy to remove the KDE4 packages and replace them with 3.5 would be nice. Of course the installer option or even just to different versions of the distro would be preferable. As for the LTS thing, I thought LTS was mostly for Servers. Production servers don't generally want to upgrade that often, so I thought the whole LTS thing was for servers. Desktops generally want to stay somewhat up to date. --Joe Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >> This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks >> about this. >> >> I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not >> being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. >> KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in >> 7.10 >> >> what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might >> send a message to him and the other developers this way. >> >> Sinclair > > I am very much in favor of it, provided some of the bugs in 3.5.8 or 3.5.9 are > alleviated. As long as the kernel is relatively fixed so us EMC2 users can > concentrate on EMC2, and the desktop works too, we'll be very happy campers. > From joemburgess at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:23:38 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:23:38 -0500 Subject: Screencapture In-Reply-To: <200801141153.24638.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <79cc94fa0801090104p6ee5540em9e9c00a1e5047283@mail.gmail.com> <200801091120.34476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801141153.24638.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <478C192A.2000608@gmail.com> There is a good program Istanbul that works very well for what you seem to want. It is in the ubuntu repos, just apt-get install instanbul. Also here is an article you might find interesting http://www.linux.com/articles/50069 -Joe Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 09 January 2008 04:20:34 Donn wrote: >> On Wednesday, 09 January 2008 11:04:46 Gert Gast wrote: >>> Hi List, just a question, what do we have available for creating screen >>> captures in Kubuntu? Not just single images, but making movie animations >>> for tutorials etc. Camtasia is the Windows frontrunner I suppose. >>> Anything like it for Linux? >> Try: >> aptitude search ~dcapture >> >> The (very) weird ~d bit tells it to search the descriptions. Odd as heck. >> On my end I see one called 'recordmydesktop'. >> >> I used something years ago to record stuff I was doing in Blender, but I >> can't recall the name now. It was something I fetched and compiled - >> fragile as glass, but it worked okay. So, there are options. >> > > I recall an interesting program called Wink that seemed to have a lot of > features. Downloaded and installed to Dapper a while ago, but never used it. > > From dhcolesj at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:28:46 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:28:46 -0600 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <120034130.cx8Zsf3MMm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <120034130.cx8Zsf3MMm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801142028.46807.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 14 January 2008 07:41:23 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > My recommendation for starter desktops is that you at least create 4 > > partitions for Linux: > > 1. " / " called "root" Give this at least 15 - 20 GB (if your hard drive > > is large enough) > > 2. "/boot" Give this no more than 100 MB as it will never need all of > > that. This is just for the Kernel and its needed files. > > 3. "/home" Give this the lion Share of the drive because this is where > > you are going to put just about everything. > > 4. "swap" Probably wont need more than 2 GB (I know I've never needed > > it, for desktop setups anyway). > > This isn't a bad method, but I disagree with bothering with a partition > for /boot. It complicates grub configuration (because relative paths to > the boot partition become /grub..., rather than /boot/grub...) and 100MB > will no doubt not always be enough. When I used to keep a /boot partition, > I think I made the partition 30MB - which was more than enough. Then > kernels got too big for me to be able to have a "current" and "new" kernel > at the same time... Which goes back to what I said before this part: It depends on who you ask. I like to separate /boot out, but there have been times when I just didn't want to mess with it. So, I could go either way. I have used the above for years (since about 2000) without a problem, so I guess its just habit. I don't know of a "technical" reason for separating it out anymore, I just still do, :-D. I have a server I'm going to be setting up (sometime this week), which I will leave that in with root. I'll create a /opt partition because of the application, and will do the same for /var because I expect a lot of temp files. / , /opt, swap and /var will be about it for this box. I usually throw in the exhortation to separate any file system you expect may at some time be used by regular users, or may fill up. Generally that'll work on any system. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From macariov at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 02:48:14 2008 From: macariov at gmail.com (macariov at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:48:14 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801141816i284b728an11c4fea2ea6e12ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk><200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net><880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com><3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com><4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com><3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com><880dece00801141816i284b728an11c4fea2ea6e12ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184577807-1200365273-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1449774650-@bxe104.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sorry, but cannot bootom post with crackberry. Yes, it would seem that ie can do file browser, but it cannot. All it does is call up an instance of explorer. By the same token, it does the same with excel, word, any office app. However, it is also true at at some level all of these MS apps share some common libraries. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Dotan Cohen" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:16:37 To:"Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Subject: Re: KDE 4.0.0! On 15/01/2008, John DeCarlo wrote: > > Of course they were. I have _always_ used IE for file browsing, just as I > > use Konqueror for file browsing. The difference is that Konqueror, to this > > point, does it better. > > While it is true that you can use the file:/// approach in any web browser > for file browsing, IE has never been able to do any sort of file management. > No moving of files, no deleting of files, etc. > > That capability has always been separate, whether in File Manager or Windows > Explorer. > > In other words, the two capabilities have *never* been joined together in > the Windows OS, as I said. > > Thanks for clearing up that you meant something different from what you > said. > That wasn't me who said that. John != Dotan In the years that I had used MS Windows (95, 98, XP), I only had one Explorer button: My Computer. It would open up to the root of the file system, and I could either browse the file system from there, or enter a url and browse the web. When I get to the university tomorrow I'll sit at an XP machine with IE6 and verify that that behaviour is still valid. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From edwin7 at web.de Tue Jan 15 04:29:48 2008 From: edwin7 at web.de (Edwin Sendjaja) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:29:48 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478A3CE4.9000801@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <1200212372.18707.16.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <478A3CE4.9000801@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <1200371388.17016.13.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> I think you are the one who has compared it, which is nonsense. At least now you realized it. On So, 2008-01-13 at 16:31 +0000, Terence Simpson wrote: > Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > > I dont see the point here. > > Why should I wait for 4.5.8 for equal standing =P > > Well I hope they release 4.5.8 very soon then. > > This guy is funny strange =P > > > > puih....so desperated to waiting......zzzzzzzzz > > > Why wait until 4.5.8? well, because the KDE 3.x.x series has has a lot > more time and work put into it, it's not fair to judge the abilities of > of a baby to the abilities of the parent. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spwhite at freesurf.ch Tue Jan 15 05:32:47 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:32:47 +0100 Subject: Access In-Reply-To: <200801141208.30526.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <478713BE.4020503@gmail.com> <200801141208.30526.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200801150632.47821.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 14 January 2008 18:08, Art Alexion wrote: > I think there are two problems, not yet implemented in Linux as far as I > know. I can hardly wait ;O) -- BOFH excuse #180: ether leak From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:36:54 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:36:54 +0200 Subject: Two links to free Gnu/Linux ebooks. In-Reply-To: References: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478C5486.5010607@gmail.com> Lance DeVooght wrote: > Donn wrote: >> Thought these were nice: >> http://freebooks.homelinux.org/ >> and >> http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/ >> >> >> HTH >> \d > I just get the following when I try to access the first link: > > ============================================================= > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) Server at freebooks.homelinux.org Port 80 First time I checked these links the first had been hacked so I think it has been taken offline. Sinclair From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 15 06:47:32 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:47:32 +1100 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <200801142028.46807.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <478AE146.7060103@optusnet.com.au> <200801132256.45689.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <120034130.cx8Zsf3MMm@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801142028.46807.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478C5704.3000708@optusnet.com.au> Thanks, all your advice on Partitions has been filed until a) I make the time to do some serious reading and or b) Wine actually stops freezing Kubuntu and comes with a bit more simple language help. Either way, my 30 plus year old DOS (beginners) command line and MS windows will take a lot of educating before I try messing with this stuff. I now have the use of a floppy (through root account only so far) and I can access the Writer files of my non root account so I can backup with minimal fuss now but the pull down menu that gives me access to the floppy just isn't there in the non root acc. I just wanted it to run Encyclopaedia Britannica and the more I look at whats on the web with my DSL 2, and 2 gigs download the more I think Windows, Wine and the above Encyclopaedia , for me are not really necessary. Who knows I may find an Encyclopaedia for Linux that works just as well or better than Britannica. Cheers, Clark. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:42:49 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:42:49 +0200 Subject: EMI music CD DRM issue Message-ID: <200801151142.49252.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, My friend bought me a Mozart CD on the EMI Classics label. I eagerly loaded it into Kubuntu and it comes up in Konqueror with all kinds of autorun Windowsy looking stuff. No actual music files that I can find. It says it's "Copy controlled" :( Does anyone have a clue? I assume that its a multi-session CD of some stripe - how can I have a look at the entire disk and/or rip the tracks off it so I can listen to them? If all else fails, I'll dust-off the laptop and see what it does. \d -- "There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable." -- Sam Harris Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Jan 15 09:57:10 2008 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:57:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <200801140537.03822.dhcolesj@gmail.com> from "Howard Coles Jr." at Jan 14, 2008 05:37:03 AM Message-ID: <200801150957.BAA12207@xpresso.seaslug.org> On Mon Jan 14 03:37:03 2008 Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >On Monday 14 January 2008 04:44:39 am Bill Vance wrote: >> On Sun Jan 13 20:12:54 2008 Clark wrote: >> >Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of >> >Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. >> >Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >Clark. >> > >> >-- >> >kubuntu-users mailing list >> >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Wine is way too >> > exotic for me at this stage. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >Clark. >> >> If you're dealling with kubuntu 7.04, hang it up; It's completely >> incapable of dealling with anything more complicated than a, "swap", >> partition, and a single, "/", partition, which contains everything. _ANY_ >> attempt to create more partitions, using any of the available file systems, >> simply generates a bazillion arcane mounting errors on bootup. Sometimes >> you can get past these, but they'll still bite you in the butt when you try >> to install software, or do anything else complex. >> >> Bill >> > >That's funny, the partitioning Scheme I recommended I have used on every >desktop I have setup for years. going back to 6.06 in Kubuntu, and SuSE 8 - >10, etc. I've never encountered problems like those. Neither have I. With three versions of Caldera, and one of SUSE, all had their little issues, but _nothing_ approaching the crap I went through trying to get a decent install with Kubuntu. It simply couldn't deal with the pre-existing Reiserfs partitions left over from SUSE. After numerous attempts, I gave each of the other fs's a bunch of tries, as well, and no go. I blew them all out, re-partitioned from scratch, and after many more attempts with each, I finally gave up and did it as described above. Attempts to follow advice from the list either didn't work, or made things worse. I'm _still_ browned off about the experience. What exists now is _mostly_ functional, but it doesn't help a bit, that several packages I wanted to get into are now on the, "broken", list. I may yet decide the agravation isn't worth it, and go back to SUSE. Bill -- ******************************************************************************** * * RKBA! * Blessings on thee, oh Israel!!! * 4-19! * * ******************************************************************************** An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured by | All Matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by Colt; | --Max Planck | weapon, sell his hand = Freedom | Dial | In the beginning was the | garment, and buy a on every side!! | 1-911-A1 | Word. --The Holy Bible | sword. --Jesus Christ ******************************************************************************** Constitutional Government is dead! LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!! ******************************************************************************** From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Jan 15 10:19:28 2008 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:19:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <1247490.Bc3B52olbN@cedar.serverforest.com> from "Derek Broughton" at Jan 14, 2008 09:36:22 AM Message-ID: <200801151019.CAA12252@xpresso.seaslug.org> On Mon Jan 14 05:36:22 2008 Derek Broughton wrote: >Bill Vance wrote: > >> On Sun Jan 13 20:12:54 2008 Clark wrote: >> >>>Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of >>>Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. >>>Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. >>> >> If you're dealling with kubuntu 7.04, hang it up; It's completely >> incapable of dealling with anything more complicated than a, "swap", >> partition, and a >> single, "/", partition, which contains everything. _ANY_ attempt to >> create more partitions, using any of the available file systems, simply >> generates > >What utter crap. What have you been smoking? I've been using >separate /, /home, /var, /usr and swap partitions since Warty. Since >that's too many for primary partitions, I've been using a mix of Primary >and Logical partitions. Since Dapper, /home, /var and /usr have even been >on an LVM. I'll admit that the LVM initially caused me a few headaches, >and I'm still not convinced it was necessary or even wise, but separating >(at least) /var and /home from the more static partitions is always a good >idea. Agreed; I like to keep them _all_ seperated. As to your first question, I've been smoking my shorts and shooting up shoe polish, trying to match in with the altered consiousness state of the daemonmic entity that set up install software incapable of dealing with making partitions and file systems that work. Nice that it works for you, but that don't help me worth spit. Bill -- ******************************************************************************** * * RKBA! * Blessings on thee, oh Israel!!! * 4-19! * * ******************************************************************************** An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured by | All Matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by Colt; | --Max Planck | weapon, sell his hand = Freedom | Dial | In the beginning was the | garment, and buy a on every side!! | 1-911-A1 | Word. --The Holy Bible | sword. --Jesus Christ ******************************************************************************** Constitutional Government is dead! LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!! ******************************************************************************** From sonoftheclayr at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 10:40:08 2008 From: sonoftheclayr at gmail.com (Luke Knowles) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:40:08 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/14/08, O. Sinclair wrote: > > This is some sort of poll to see what the people on the list thinks > about this. > > I am very much for keeping KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.04 (yes I know it is not > being removed) and make it an LTS release alongside the Ubuntu 8.04. > KDE4 can be an option for those who are interested, just as it is now in > 7.10 > > what do you think? As I know Jonathan Riddell reads the list we might > send a message to him and the other developers this way. > > Sinclair > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I agree with Canonical on this one. If KDE 3.5 is obsoleted by the end of the year or somewehere next year what is the point of supporting it for 3 years on an LTS? I know the LTS releases are important to some people but if the main pieces of software aren't going to be 'officially' supported for the entire support period it's just a drain on resources to support them 'unofficially'. I know sometimes that normal releases sometimes have more problems than the LTS releases but we'll just have to work extra hard to make sure something like that doesn't happen this time around. And in doing so experience may be gained to help with further releases. If we aren't going to have a Kubuntu 8.04 as an LTS everybody is going have to pitch in and help out to make it as stable and bugfree as possible. Personally I don't like the idea of supporting something that is 3 years old and most likely outdated and obsolete. I'm sure many of you won't agree with me on this one but I'm sure I'm not te only one that thinks this way about the lack of a Kubuntu LTS this year. -- http://sonoftheclayr.info/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stdin at stdin.me.uk Tue Jan 15 12:34:56 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:34:56 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200371388.17016.13.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801121801.14095.claydoh@midmaine.com> <47894ACF.8040202@stdin.me.uk> <200801122304.47979.eprosoft@gmail.com> <478972E0.4020405@stdin.me.uk> <1200194542.18707.8.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <47898ADD.90506@stdin.me.uk> <1200212372.18707.16.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> <478A3CE4.9000801@stdin.me.uk> <1200371388.17016.13.camel@alibaba-kubuntu> Message-ID: <478CA870.6060407@stdin.me.uk> Edwin Sendjaja wrote: > I think you are the one who has compared it, which is nonsense. At least > now you realized it. > Can you point me to the email where I made a direct comparison between the KDE 4.0.0 release and the KDE 3.5.x release? From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 13:49:41 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:41 +0200 Subject: How to get Conexant modem working on Dell Vostro 1400 w Kubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: <478CB9F5.4000403@gmail.com> Put this thread up on Ubuntuforums, guess I should post it on Kubuntu forums too. Note it means replacing the kernel in Gutsy w. the one for Hardy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=668235 Sinclair PS it also stabilizes the Intel IPW3945 driver DS From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Tue Jan 15 14:18:04 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:18:04 +0000 Subject: EMI music CD DRM issue In-Reply-To: <200801151142.49252.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801151142.49252.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801151418.05215.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 09:42:49 Donn wrote: > Hi, > My friend bought me a Mozart CD on the EMI Classics label. I eagerly > loaded it into Kubuntu and it comes up in Konqueror with all kinds of > autorun Windowsy looking stuff. No actual music files that I can find. > > It says it's "Copy controlled" :( > > Does anyone have a clue? I assume that its a multi-session CD of some > stripe - how can I have a look at the entire disk and/or rip the tracks off > it so I can listen to them? > > If all else fails, I'll dust-off the laptop and see what it does. I've managed to rip most of my CD collection including the 'copy controlled' ones using either KAudioCreator or K3B. I've so far only had one CD that wouldn't rip and that was Layla by Derick and the Dominoes SACD. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 13:42:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:10 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <880dece00801120951h147630d3jfa682668171aa7c6@mail.gmail.com> <478949D9.4020605@stdin.me.uk> <200801130014.17631.d.mcglone@att.net> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > David McGlone wrote: >> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:14:33 pm Terence Simpson wrote: >> >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. >>>>> Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file >>>>> manager? >>>>> >>>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web >>>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me >>>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for >>>> KDE4. >>>> >>> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features. >>> (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for >>> this) >> >> first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? >> Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me say >> RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've been >> using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a good 6 >> or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also from what >> I can see, I believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make more sense if >> dolphin was using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has been around as >> a file manager for a long long time. Matter of fact all dolphin is, is a >> stripped down and re-arranged konqueror with a different name. :-) >> > To answer your questions: > 1) No > 2) No > 3) Didn't say it wasn't > 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin KPart. > > I hope that answered all of those queries. Sometimes, I despair of Linux ever surviving. I expect developers to make changes that suit developers - that's the nature of community-maintained software - but if you're just going to show complete disrespect for the users of the software, everybody would be much better off if you'd just ignore us. Yes, David is being a little rude, but you seem to be intentionally telling us all to just "live with it", and it's no surprise if it rubs us the wrong way. #3 was not strictly said, but you certainly implied it. #4 is completely irrelevant - Konqueror has a file manager kpart, and what it's called doesn't matter a bit to the users. It _would_ have made much more sense to users if both Dolphin and Konqueror had continued to use the same kpart. To cripple konqueror by giving it only _some_ of Dolphin's features, and not even giving Dolphin all the features Konqueror used to have is going to hurt some users and annoy far more. -- derek From infopipe at gmx.net Tue Jan 15 19:52:20 2008 From: infopipe at gmx.net (Bernhard Breinbauer) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:52:20 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801152052.24305.infopipe@gmx.net> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 wrote Derek Broughton: > Yes, David is being a little rude, but you seem to be > intentionally telling us all to just "live with it", and it's no surprise > if it rubs us the wrong way. As long as nobody steps up and does something about the current situation, I guess you will have to live with it :-) > It _would_ have made much more sense to > users if both Dolphin and Konqueror had continued to use the same kpart. > To cripple konqueror by giving it only _some_ of Dolphin's features, and > not even giving Dolphin all the features Konqueror used to have is going to > hurt some users and annoy far more. Konqueror and Dolphin are still using the same kpart, but the one which originates in the development of Dolphin. Why? Because nobody (too few people) took care of the file management part of Konqueror. The intention of the developers was never to cripple Konqueror (why would they do that?), it was just bitrotting. As nobody stepped up and took over, the KDE team invited the Dolphin developers to join the main module as new file manager. Some people still invest time into Konqueror as file manager, so I don't believe it will die. But as long as not more people step up and work on it, it may stay in a rather shabby state. cheers, bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 13:46:33 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:46:33 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > | Terence Simpson wrote: > | > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or > | > not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. > | > | Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even > | though KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. > > And we chose to release 7.10 with KDE 4 as well (ie. the KDE 4 Live CD). It wasn't ready then, and it isn't ready now. I can't see KDE4 being a usable desktop come April. > KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, Of course it was. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 13:48:15 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:48:15 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00801140105i41e003bcp8cf4ca5e9bd1867c@mail.gmail.com> <478B455D.6020201@stdin.me.uk> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1799207.66qtBLkGY9@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Walshe wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 6:10 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even >> though >> KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. >> > > Yea and 3.5.8 is still included but still Canonical chose not to give it > LTS support. > Its nothing to do with the Kubuntu teams so they are the wrong ones to > point the negativity at. I still don't buy it - who's going to provide support for 3.5 for the next 3 years? If I was running Canonical, I wouldn't have considered Kubuntu for an LTS either. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 13:49:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:49:08 -0400 Subject: Access References: <47854F81.3020900@gmail.com> <20080110163555.c649a875.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <4164306.BLedySE8KC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141232.30494.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1771509.GVf7DuU94J@cedar.serverforest.com> <1200339172.478bb8e4c6ea9@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3391651.FNLhZ3aPyh@cedar.serverforest.com> ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > What about the base product included with OpenOffice? POS. I have never managed to do anything even _trivial_ with OpenOffice Base, let alone anything meaningful. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 13:44:49 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:44:49 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801111546.57347.d.mcglone@att.net> <200801111622.42904.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200801141519.11963.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3572260.jMEOhM5oNy@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008 16:22:42 Gene Heskett wrote: >> What is the new email agent called, I see no mention of kmail in the 4.0 >> propaganda as yet. > > kmail will not get an update for KDE 4 Same version as KDE 3.5. Some of > the development branch made it to earlier release candidates for 4.0 in > error. It is not ready for release. !@#$%^&*()!!!! You just ruined my day, Art. The _only_ conceivable reason to move to KDE 4 was the kontact suite. -- derek From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 20:11:23 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:11:23 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2008 1:46 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, > > Of course it was. > -- > derek > > I believe it was the other way around. They decided to do KDE 4 as Canonical had decided not to offer LTS for Kubuntu. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Tue Jan 15 21:02:33 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:02:33 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801151502.37135.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: [...] | > KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, | | Of course it was. You are kidding right? Do you follow development at all? Do you communicate on a daily basis with Canonical? I think the answer is obvious. The choice to drop LTS was made by Canonical, _NOT_ Kubuntu. Why? At the time, the KDE community didn't communicate their future with supporting KDE 3.5. It was because of this that Canonical, not any other community team, decided that making Kubuntu 8.04 an LTS release may not be plausible. I see a lot of people saying how hard could it be to maintain KDE 3.5 until 2011, it is hard, especially when your developer community is small, and really isn't funded. Truth be told, I don't agree with Canonical's decision on dropping the LTS as we know that KDE will be supported for another few years. Novell and Red Hat, the two largest enterprise developers, will not be dropping their KDE support, so that means they will be creating/patching KDE security issues and bugs for the next few years. I don't see why we can't share information with Novell and Red Hat, especially after this past UDS, it seemed the cooperation between the distributions and upstream were a big deal. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From wafa1024 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 21:38:46 2008 From: wafa1024 at gmail.com (Wafa Hakim Orman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:38:46 -0600 Subject: EMI music CD DRM issue Message-ID: <48d0fd970801151338u2d169f78m190c0b7db27c1307@mail.gmail.com> Mark Fraser wrote: On Tuesday 15 January 2008 09:42:49 Donn wrote: > Hi, > My friend bought me a Mozart CD on the EMI Classics label. I eagerly > loaded it into Kubuntu and it comes up in Konqueror with all kinds of > autorun Windowsy looking stuff. No actual music files that I can find. > > It says it's "Copy controlled" :( > > Does anyone have a clue? I assume that its a multi-session CD of some > stripe - how can I have a look at the entire disk and/or rip the tracks off > it so I can listen to them? > > If all else fails, I'll dust-off the laptop and see what it does. I've managed to rip most of my CD collection including the 'copy controlled' ones using either KAudioCreator or K3B. I've so far only had one CD that wouldn't rip and that was Layla by Derick and the Dominoes SACD. ---> I also find that Xine plays copy-controlled CDs with no problem. I just play them like any normal CD; Xine doesn't even notice that they are different. I know I had to enable DMA for the drive, but I think that was to play DVDs, not CDs. It was a long long time ago. sudo apt-get install xine should fix your problem if you don't want to rip the CD. (I like the Xine interface better too, but of course that's a matter of taste.) Wafa. -- "So be it." --Kurt Vonnegut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 21:21:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:21:42 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > While it is true that you can use the file:/// approach in any web browser > for file browsing, IE has never been able to do any sort of file > management. No moving of files, no deleting of files, etc. > > That capability has always been separate, whether in File Manager or > Windows Explorer. > > In other words, the two capabilities have *never* been joined together in > the Windows OS, as I said. | No. Just plain no. I _always_ use IE on Windows for all my file browsing. Not file:///, just C:\.... It's got moving, it's got deleting, it's got dragondrop. Under the hood, possibly it really does invoke a different program, but as far as the user can see, it's one program. Like Konqueror. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 21:31:33 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:31:33 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801151502.37135.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <5516800.CW8hYU66y7@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > [...] > | > KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, > | > | Of course it was. > > You are kidding right? Do you follow development at all? Do you > communicate on a daily basis with Canonical? I think the answer is > obvious. The choice to drop LTS was made by Canonical, _NOT_ Kubuntu. Why? > At the time, the KDE community didn't communicate their future with > supporting KDE 3.5. It was because of this that Canonical, not any other > community team, decided that making Kubuntu 8.04 an LTS release may not be > plausible. I see a lot of people saying how hard could it be to maintain > KDE 3.5 until 2011, it is hard, especially when your developer community > is small, and really isn't funded. So, you're saying that the KDE community is all committed to KDE 4, so Canonical couldn't expect support for 3.5. So, in fact, Canonical dropped LTS support because of KDE 4. It's not that difficult to understand. So, no, I'm not kidding. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 21:24:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:24:42 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801152052.24305.infopipe@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1435920.kexl7blOI7@cedar.serverforest.com> Bernhard Breinbauer wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2008 wrote Derek Broughton: >> Yes, David is being a little rude, but you seem to be >> intentionally telling us all to just "live with it", and it's no surprise >> if it rubs us the wrong way. > > As long as nobody steps up and does something about the current situation, > I guess you will have to live with it :-) Absolutely - that's why I said everybody would be happier if he'd just ignore the users, rather than apparently intentionally irritate us. >> It _would_ have made much more sense to >> users if both Dolphin and Konqueror had continued to use the same kpart. >> To cripple konqueror by giving it only _some_ of Dolphin's features, and >> not even giving Dolphin all the features Konqueror used to have is going >> to hurt some users and annoy far more. > > Konqueror and Dolphin are still using the same kpart, but the one which > originates in the development of Dolphin. That's ok - but by all accounts the kpart is far less than the complete Dolphin. > Some people still invest time into Konqueror as file manager, so I don't > believe it will die. But as long as not more people step up and work on > it, it may stay in a rather shabby state. >From what I've seen so far, "rather shabby state" is still an improvement over the Dolphin kpart. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 15 21:28:15 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:28:15 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801140530.59070.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <85739418.NpxeTX2adO@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801142118.55902.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <2564340.2idNi42Mgg@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> It's not "stupid" - how are they going to be able to promise to keep KDE >> 3.5 maintained for 3 years? (or is it 5?) > > Well, since you've raised this seemingly very reasonable point several > times, > I've actually had a bit of a think about it. Dapper is the current LTS, > and > it still has some really old version of KDE. How have they managed to > maintain *that* for so long? > > I'm not a KDE developer, so I don't have insider knowledge, but I > sincerely doubt Canonical is getting any special upstream help with > maintaining KDE 3.5.2, so it's just as dead and forgotten as the current > 3.5 variant will be soon. However, Canonical has to package security fixes to 3.5.2 for another 5 months. That is generally going to be much easier while upstream is still packaging those fixes for 3.5.8, than when upstream is packaging them for 4.x. There's a _huge_ code difference with the major version change. > > It's probably not as valid an argument as it seems on the surface. More > likely, they are worried that KDE 4.x will become usable in the interim, > and users will start making a lot of noise like the noises we've heard > here > about "Why can't I install the new Firefox on Dapper?" and so forth. A > support nightmare. Well, you're right that _that's_ going to happen. -- derek From lists at ptfd.org Tue Jan 15 22:23:49 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:23:49 -0500 Subject: kde-4.0 "tweeks" (needed?) In-Reply-To: <2431591.mvkqxQLJSQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801121114.12084.lists@ptfd.org> <2431591.mvkqxQLJSQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801151723.49262.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 12 January 2008 06:23:31 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > 1. attempting to run anything that requires kdesu wont work as kdesu is > > apparently broken. I can make them work by starting a konsole and running > > them with kdesudo, but this is not that great. How do we fix this? OK Replying to my own now :(.. This part appears to be fixed today! :) > Since Gutsy, kdesu has only been a link to kdesudo, anyway. If I have it > right, installing kdesudo moves kdesu to kdesu.distrib, and then creates > the symlink. > > > 3. knetworkmanager does not automatically start when logging in? How do > > we restart apps like that when logging in? > > !!! I really wish they'd worked the bugs out of network-manager _before_ > they'd pushed it on us. I like it, I really do, but it _still_ isn't as > good as it should be. > > -- > derek From lists at ptfd.org Tue Jan 15 22:29:27 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:29:27 -0500 Subject: Dolphin help Message-ID: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> I am really trying to accept dolphin, I can get it, I like some parts of it and am getting used to it. But! (you knew that was coming) 1. Retrospekt will not run with it.. :( #2. if dolphin is the default file manager then why if I'm in kde4 and a past a shortcut to a file location on teh desktop, when I click on it it opens in konqueror? It would be nice if it would open in dolphin., at least for consistency.. Mike From phredsky at earthlink.net Tue Jan 15 21:47:12 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:47:12 -0600 Subject: Bad install with 7.10 Message-ID: <1200433632.5983.5.camel@Freds-computer> My old computer finally gave up and I had to buy another. I brought it home and int\stalled gutsey. don.t know what happened but it just installed partially, with several error messages. How do i reinstall?? BTW the partioner worked flawlessly. Regards Fred From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Tue Jan 15 22:38:29 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:38:29 +0000 Subject: Dolphin help In-Reply-To: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801152238.29904.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Tuesday 15 Jan 2008, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > #2. if dolphin is the default file manager then why if I'm in kde4 and a past > a shortcut to a file location on teh desktop, when I click on it it opens in > konqueror? It would be nice if it would open in dolphin., at least for > consistency.. > > Mike > What I did to fix things so that they work properly on my desktop was right click - create new - link to application... and entered konqueror /home/dave/ in the command field under the application tab Yes, you've guessed - I'm not a fan of dolphin. -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Jan 15 22:41:54 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:41:54 -0500 Subject: Dolphin help In-Reply-To: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801151741.55100.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 5:29:27 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > I am really trying to accept dolphin, I can get it, I like some parts of it > and am getting used to it. But! (you knew that was coming) 1. Retrospekt > will not run with it.. :( > > #2. if dolphin is the default file manager then why if I'm in kde4 and a > past a shortcut to a file location on teh desktop, when I click on it it > opens in konqueror? It would be nice if it would open in dolphin., at least > for consistency.. > > Mike 1) I would guess maybe kommander hasn't been ported to kde4 yet? 2) I would guess it is a config mismatch in the packaging, perhaps. Definitely woth a bug report there -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From stdin at stdin.me.uk Tue Jan 15 22:47:36 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:47:36 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <478D3808.9030304@stdin.me.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Richard A. Johnson wrote: > > >> On Monday 14 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> | Terence Simpson wrote: >> | > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS or >> | > not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. >> | >> | Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even >> | though KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. >> >> And we chose to release 7.10 with KDE 4 as well (ie. the KDE 4 Live CD). >> > > It wasn't ready then, and it isn't ready now. I can't see KDE4 being a > usable desktop come April. > > >> KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, >> > > Of course it was. > An explanation of that last statement would be appreciated Derek. From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 23:42:35 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:42:35 -0500 Subject: Two links to free Gnu/Linux ebooks. In-Reply-To: <478C5486.5010607@gmail.com> References: <200801071706.39351.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <478C5486.5010607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801151542r478e8f4w1a0713954694e2c9@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 15, 2008 1:36 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Lance DeVooght wrote: > > Donn wrote: > >> Thought these were nice: > >> http://freebooks.homelinux.org/ > >> and > >> http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/ > >> > >> > >> HTH > >> \d > > I just get the following when I try to access the first link: > > > > ============================================================= > > Forbidden > > > > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > > Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) Server at freebooks.homelinux.org Port 80 > First time I checked these links the first had been hacked so I think it > has been taken offline. > Sinclair It's not really offline, it still works (as of yesterday). Use google's cache to view the page. All of the books look like they are still there, but there is a download max of 10 books a day because of bandwidth costs. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From basroufs at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 23:54:55 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:54:55 +0100 Subject: (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation Message-ID: Dear everybody Ever since several weeks, I have difficulties getting my PASSWORD typed in any shell console, after going to the SUDO modus. In every shell I have been using, the problem remains the same. I type by example 'sudo passwrd'. Than I see: [sudo] passwrd for Bas Also after other commands in combination with 'sudo', this appears in any shell console I might use: [sudo] passwrd for Bas Several times, I tried to type the password from that point. But the cursor simply gets stuck: it simply stays where it is. I simply do not have any possibility to get the password typed. This nasty problem stagnates many things - that's why I would appreciate any help from some of you to find some way(s) to solve it. Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- -- ************************ Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. ************************ From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 16 00:45:47 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:45:47 +0000 Subject: (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478D53BB.7090105@stdin.me.uk> Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > Ever since several weeks, I have difficulties getting my PASSWORD > typed in any shell console, after going to the SUDO modus. In every > shell I have been using, the problem remains the same. I type by > example 'sudo passwrd'. Than I see: > > [sudo] passwrd for Bas > > Also after other commands in combination with 'sudo', this appears in > any shell console I might use: > > [sudo] passwrd for Bas > > Several times, I tried to type the password from that point. But the > cursor simply gets stuck: it simply stays where it is. I simply do not > have any possibility to get the password typed. > > This nasty problem stagnates many things - that's why I would > appreciate any help from some of you to find some way(s) to solve it. > > Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > This is how sudo is supposed to work, just type your password in and hit enter, it's not printed when you type it. You wouldn't want someone looking over your shoulder to see what your password is, so it's not printed. Also, if it were printed, then it would show in the terminal history, So it's more secure to hide all input when using passwords. Terence From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 16 00:51:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:51:25 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <478B7FE6.2060508@stdin.me.uk> <13961087.itvLxbdGnW@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801141329.15477.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <9388390.r43htGHMYr@cedar.serverforest.com> <478D3808.9030304@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <11453705.K3FNQpUtQ4@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Richard A. Johnson wrote: >> >> >>> On Monday 14 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> | Terence Simpson wrote: >>> | > *We* didn't do anything, it's not our decision as to if we are LTS >>> | > or not. It's entirely up to Canonical Ltd. >>> | >>> | Sure *you* did something. You chose to release 8.04 with KDE4, even >>> | though KDE4 is clearly not ready for general release. >>> >>> And we chose to release 7.10 with KDE 4 as well (ie. the KDE 4 Live CD). >>> >> >> It wasn't ready then, and it isn't ready now. I can't see KDE4 being a >> usable desktop come April. >> >> >>> KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, >>> >> >> Of course it was. >> > An explanation of that last statement would be appreciated Derek. To explain would be flogging a dead horse. I think I've done it three times so far... -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 01:09:53 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:09:53 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801151709p42339f61y7bb7ce647df465fe@mail.gmail.com> On 15/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > No. Just plain no. I _always_ use IE on Windows for all my file browsing. > Not file:///, just C:\.... It's got moving, it's got deleting, it's got > dragondrop. Under the hood, possibly it really does invoke a different > program, but as far as the user can see, it's one program. Like Konqueror. I checked today, and with IE 6 the experience is still how I remember it: 1) In Windows Explorer, one can enter a URL and browse there. Some new buttons show up in the toolbar, but otherwise the UI does not change. 2) In Internet Explorer, one can enter a local path and browse there. Some new buttons show up in the toolbar, but otherwise the UI does not change. With IE7, however, entering a URL into Windows Explorer pops up a new IE window, with the URL loading. Similarly, entering a local path in IE pops up a WE window. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 01:10:15 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:10:15 -0500 Subject: (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation In-Reply-To: <478D53BB.7090105@stdin.me.uk> References: <478D53BB.7090105@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801151710r448c57et1102c4824976c9d4@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 15, 2008 7:45 PM, Terence Simpson wrote: > Bas Roufs wrote: > > Dear everybody > > > > Ever since several weeks, I have difficulties getting my PASSWORD > > typed in any shell console, after going to the SUDO modus. In every > > shell I have been using, the problem remains the same. I type by > > example 'sudo passwrd'. Than I see: > > > > [sudo] passwrd for Bas > > > > Also after other commands in combination with 'sudo', this appears in > > any shell console I might use: > > > > [sudo] passwrd for Bas > > > > Several times, I tried to type the password from that point. But the > > cursor simply gets stuck: it simply stays where it is. I simply do not > > have any possibility to get the password typed. > > > > This nasty problem stagnates many things - that's why I would > > appreciate any help from some of you to find some way(s) to solve it. > > > > Respectfully Yours, > > > > Bas. > > > > > This is how sudo is supposed to work, just type your password in and hit > enter, it's not printed when you type it. > You wouldn't want someone looking over your shoulder to see what your > password is, so it's not printed. Also, if it were printed, then it > would show in the terminal history, So it's more secure to hide all > input when using passwords. > > Terence Right. It is a little awkward to not have anything echoed back when you type (not even *'s), but don't worry about it. Just type it in and hit enter. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From johndecarlo at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 02:21:55 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:21:55 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0801151821j3e208cb5i1d1b08b2e679efc4@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 15, 2008 4:21 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > No. Just plain no. I _always_ use IE on Windows for all my file > browsing. > Believe what you want, then. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yogich246 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 03:10:51 2008 From: yogich246 at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?QyBIYW1lbA==?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:10:51 +0000 Subject: Tethering BlackBerry Message-ID: <882983820-1200453059-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1238446462-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I am attempting to tether an 8100 BlackBerry for use as a modem on Gutsy. (I already tried a less-than-stellar How-to, and contacting the author was no help.) Has anyone else succeeded doing this and if so, how?? Thanks! -- ...Yogi C.H. From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Wed Jan 16 03:21:53 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:21:53 +1100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Terence Simpson wrote: >Derek Broughton wrote: >> Richard A. Johnson wrote: >> <> >>> KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, >>> >> >> Of course it was. >> >An explanation of that last statement would be appreciated Derek. It has already been explained at least once in this thread...and it made complete logical sense. If you extrapolate it out, it certainly seems that KDE4 _was_ the factor that ruled out the LTS...it's the only logical answer. -Mal From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Jan 16 03:25:41 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:25:41 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801152225.41841.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 8:42:10 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > > David McGlone wrote: > >> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:14:33 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>>> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > >>>>> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. > >>>>> Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file > >>>>> manager? > >>>> > >>>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web > >>>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me > >>>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for > >>>> KDE4. > >>> > >>> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing > >>> features. (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent > >>> analogy for this) > >> > >> first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? > >> Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me > >> say RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've > >> been using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a > >> good 6 or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also > >> from what I can see, I believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make > >> more sense if dolphin was using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has > >> been around as a file manager for a long long time. Matter of fact all > >> dolphin is, is a stripped down and re-arranged konqueror with a > >> different name. :-) > > > > To answer your questions: > > 1) No > > 2) No > > 3) Didn't say it wasn't > > 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin KPart. > > > > I hope that answered all of those queries. I didn't receive this reply, unless I accidentally deleted it. Anway yes you answered them just fine. :-) >Yes, David is being a little rude, I'm sorry about this. I wasn't trying to sound rude. I was actually laughing when I replied. > but you seem to be > intentionally telling us all to just "live with it", and it's no surprise > if it rubs us the wrong way. > > #3 was not strictly said, but you certainly implied it. #4 is completely > irrelevant - Konqueror has a file manager kpart, and what it's called > doesn't matter a bit to the users. It _would_ have made much more sense to > users if both Dolphin and Konqueror had continued to use the same kpart. > To cripple konqueror by giving it only _some_ of Dolphin's features, and > not even giving Dolphin all the features Konqueror used to have is going to > hurt some users and annoy far more. This was what I was trying to get around to, but I couldn't stop laughing at Terence's post where, from what I can tell, sincerely believes konqueror has been derived from dolphin. Or at least that's how I understood his post. -- David M. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 16 03:47:00 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:47:00 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: > Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> Richard A. Johnson wrote: >>> >>> > > <> > > >>>> KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, >>>> >>>> >>> Of course it was. >>> >>> >> An explanation of that last statement would be appreciated Derek. >> > > It has already been explained at least once in this thread...and it made > complete logical sense. If you extrapolate it out, it certainly seems > that KDE4 _was_ the factor that ruled out the LTS...it's the only > logical answer. > > -Mal > > KDE4 being in existence yes, Kubuntu choosing it for release no, that was after we were informed we weren't going to be LTS. From jjesse at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 03:48:14 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:48:14 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: According to the notes and discussion from the past two Kubuntu Devel mtgs, I think the mtg notes were posted to this list and the devel list there is going to be a cd of KDE3.5 released on cdimages.ubuntu.com and then 4.0 will be avialable from shipit and from releases.ubuntu.com Hope that helps clarify things -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Jan 16 03:51:15 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:51:15 -0500 Subject: Tethering BlackBerry In-Reply-To: <882983820-1200453059-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1238446462-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <882983820-1200453059-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1238446462-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200801152251.15567.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 10:10:51 pm C Hamel wrote: > I am attempting to tether an 8100 BlackBerry for use as a modem on Gutsy. > (I already tried a less-than-stellar How-to, and contacting the author was > no help.) > > Has anyone else succeeded doing this and if so, how?? Well first I took a posthole digger and I dug a hole about 2 foot in the ground, then I put the pole in the hole and filled the hole back in with the dirt I originally took out. I then attached a rope about 2 to 3 foot in length to the top of the pole. Finally I tied the lower end of the rope to the blackberry. There you have a tethered BlackBerry. ;-) Sorry I just had to speak my mind on this one. -- David M. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 16 03:56:06 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:06 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801152225.41841.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <4789AD61.6090105@stdin.me.uk> <3773250.qihzFJhUDz@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801152225.41841.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <478D8056.4080708@stdin.me.uk> David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2008 8:42:10 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Terence Simpson wrote: >> >>> David McGlone wrote: >>> >>>> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:14:33 pm Terence Simpson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. >>>>>>> Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file >>>>>>> manager? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web >>>>>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me >>>>>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for >>>>>> KDE4. >>>>>> >>>>> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing >>>>> features. (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent >>>>> analogy for this) >>>>> >>>> first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or kde? >>>> Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, let me >>>> say RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway I've >>>> been using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd say a >>>> good 6 or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 years. Also >>>> from what I can see, I believe you got it backwards, wouldn't it make >>>> more sense if dolphin was using the konqueror kpart since konqueror has >>>> been around as a file manager for a long long time. Matter of fact all >>>> dolphin is, is a stripped down and re-arranged konqueror with a >>>> different name. :-) >>>> >>> To answer your questions: >>> 1) No >>> 2) No >>> 3) Didn't say it wasn't >>> 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin KPart. >>> >>> I hope that answered all of those queries. >>> > > I didn't receive this reply, unless I accidentally deleted it. Anway yes you > answered them just fine. :-) > > > >> Yes, David is being a little rude, >> > > I'm sorry about this. I wasn't trying to sound rude. I was actually laughing > when I replied. > > >> but you seem to be >> intentionally telling us all to just "live with it", and it's no surprise >> if it rubs us the wrong way. >> >> #3 was not strictly said, but you certainly implied it. #4 is completely >> irrelevant - Konqueror has a file manager kpart, and what it's called >> doesn't matter a bit to the users. It _would_ have made much more sense to >> users if both Dolphin and Konqueror had continued to use the same kpart. >> To cripple konqueror by giving it only _some_ of Dolphin's features, and >> not even giving Dolphin all the features Konqueror used to have is going to >> hurt some users and annoy far more. >> > > This was what I was trying to get around to, but I couldn't stop laughing at > Terence's post where, from what I can tell, sincerely believes konqueror has > been derived from dolphin. Or at least that's how I understood his post. > > Show me the sentence that says that? All I said was that Konqueror used the Dolphon KPart in KDE4, how did you get "Konqueror has never been a file manager and Dolphin is older than konqueror" from that?? Really, that's a sincere question. How did you get to "from what I can tell, sincerely believes konqueror has been derived from dolphin." ? On another note, I'm so glad you can be respectful on mailing lists and not say things like "I couldn't stop laughing at.... Oh, wait, forget that last part. From yogich246 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 04:05:32 2008 From: yogich246 at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?QyBIYW1lbA==?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:05:32 +0000 Subject: Tethering BlackBerry Message-ID: <1945233362-1200456342-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247086894-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> lol No Problem! I'm just about ready to do just that! -- ...Yogi C.H. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 04:38:59 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:38:59 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478D8A63.7040108@gmail.com> Jonathan Jesse wrote: > According to the notes and discussion from the past two Kubuntu Devel > mtgs, I think the mtg notes were posted to this list and the devel list > there is going to be a cd of KDE3.5 released on cdimages.ubuntu.com > and then 4.0 will be avialable from shipit > and from releases.ubuntu.com > > Hope that helps clarify things > I guess I can live with that (or have to as it seems...) though I think it should be the other way around. I still think that to make a KDE4 that does not even have a beta PIM in place the "base" package is completely wrong. I have understood why Canonical do not want to make 8.04 an LTS though I think they are wrong too - if they can tinker with a by now ancient version of Gnome for 6.06 then I think keeping a stable KDE 3.5.8 (or 9) could not be that difficult. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 04:43:44 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:43:44 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: >> Terence Simpson wrote: >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>>> Richard A. Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> >> <> >> >> >>>>> KDE 4 was not the reason to drop LTS support for our 3.5.x branch, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Of course it was. >>>> >>>> >>> An explanation of that last statement would be appreciated Derek. >>> >> It has already been explained at least once in this thread...and it made >> complete logical sense. If you extrapolate it out, it certainly seems >> that KDE4 _was_ the factor that ruled out the LTS...it's the only >> logical answer. >> >> -Mal >> >> > KDE4 being in existence yes, Kubuntu choosing it for release no, that > was after we were informed we weren't going to be LTS. > And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ Sinclair From cms0009 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 06:01:47 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:01:47 -0500 Subject: Dolphin help In-Reply-To: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801160101.47529.cms0009@gmail.com> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 5:29:27 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > I am really trying to accept dolphin, I can get it, I like some parts of it > and am getting used to it. But! (you knew that was coming) 1. Retrospekt > will not run with it.. :( > > #2. if dolphin is the default file manager then why if I'm in kde4 and a > past a shortcut to a file location on teh desktop, when I click on it it > opens in konqueror? It would be nice if it would open in dolphin., at least > for consistency.. > > Mike Well, I got rid of flipper, using konqueror, now if konqueror would kick firefox butt, as a web browser, then I would be very happy. Richard From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 16 08:21:23 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:21:23 +0100 Subject: (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478DBE83.9050002@free.fr> Normal !!!! it 's sudo passwd Bas Roufs a écrit : > Dear everybody > > Ever since several weeks, I have difficulties getting my PASSWORD > typed in any shell console, after going to the SUDO modus. In every > shell I have been using, the problem remains the same. I type by > example 'sudo passwrd'. Than I see: > > [sudo] passwrd for Bas > > Also after other commands in combination with 'sudo', this appears in > any shell console I might use: > > [sudo] passwrd for Bas > > Several times, I tried to type the password from that point. But the > cursor simply gets stuck: it simply stays where it is. I simply do not > have any possibility to get the password typed. > > This nasty problem stagnates many things - that's why I would > appreciate any help from some of you to find some way(s) to solve it. > > Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > > > > > From lakridserne at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 08:41:25 2008 From: lakridserne at gmail.com (lakridserne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:41:25 +0100 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 36, Issue 89 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cde82b10801160041i6ba16fe7v62468a320aabbe30@mail.gmail.com> You can (if you have a copy of your data! (Not on your harddisk, but an extern)) delete the system and try to install it again ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:47:12 -0600 > From: Fred Schuelzky > Subject: Bad install with 7.10 > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <1200433632.5983.5.camel at Freds-computer> > Content-Type: text/plain > > My old computer finally gave up and I had to buy another. I brought it > home and int\stalled gutsey. don.t know what happened but it just > installed partially, with several error messages. How do i reinstall?? > BTW the partioner worked flawlessly. > > > > Regards > > Fred > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 09:55:12 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:55:12 +0200 Subject: Root password security Message-ID: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> The way Kubuntu is set up it is fairly easy for a user to boot up in "rescue mode" and gain full access to the computer as root user from command prompt. I don't really like this. If I set a password for root will it have any impact on "sudo" functionality? Sinclair From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 10:01:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think > you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and > KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main > developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" > http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating system with optional bleeding edge components. If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based distro that is easy for noobs? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Jan 16 10:15:52 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:15:52 +1000 Subject: Root password security In-Reply-To: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> References: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478DD958.3040804@bielenberg.id.au> O. Sinclair wrote: > The way Kubuntu is set up it is fairly easy for a user to boot up in > "rescue mode" and gain full access to the computer as root user from > command prompt. I don't really like this. If I set a password for root > will it have any impact on "sudo" functionality? > > Sinclair > > No, with the exception of the last week when adept wanted the root password instead of sudo you normally don't use it. I activate it on my ubuntu servers as a standard, I activate the root password when I'm using cli upgrades etc. You could (most people do) survive without ever activating the root password. Cary From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Wed Jan 16 10:24:42 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:24:42 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > Any suggestions for a KDE based > distro that is easy for noobs? Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX -- Graham Todd From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 11:36:04 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:36:04 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> Graham wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 > "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > >> Any suggestions for a KDE based >> distro that is easy for noobs? > > Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in > Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. > > For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX > Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 16 11:56:15 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:56:15 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478DF0DF.2020705@free.fr> mandriva I think that's the easiest one :) Though i use kubuntu, mandrake has been many years my favorite distro you can get easyurpmi.org repos for enlarging your rpms Dotan Cohen a écrit : > On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think >> you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and >> KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main >> developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" >> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ >> > > Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating > system with optional bleeding edge components. > > If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then > it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually > cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in > my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must > ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty > until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based > distro that is easy for noobs? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 12:17:18 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:17:18 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801160417u29e7ddacg4f49c7d0e4510f8c@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > Graham wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 > > "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > > > >> Any suggestions for a KDE based > >> distro that is easy for noobs? > > > > Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in > > Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. > > > > For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX > > > Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu > Thank you. Linux Mint seems to use the Ubuntu repos, so I will have to research whether or not it uses KDE 4.0. I'll also look at openSUSE and possibly Fedora (which I run on other machines). I should mention here that I really, really like Fedora, but I do not use it as I find it too bleeding edge (read: unstable) for everyday use. So it would be ironic that I go back to Fedora as a daily driver due to Kubuntu getting too cutting edge. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 12:18:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:18:07 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801160418i78dfc2b0w702afe1abb312854@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, Graham wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 > "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > > > Any suggestions for a KDE based > > distro that is easy for noobs? > > Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in > Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. > > For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX Thank you, I'll take a look at Mepis. I'd once heard good things about that distro. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Jan 16 12:38:01 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:38:01 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478D8056.4080708@stdin.me.uk> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801152225.41841.d.mcglone@att.net> <478D8056.4080708@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <200801160738.02500.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 10:56:06 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 January 2008 8:42:10 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Terence Simpson wrote: > >>> David McGlone wrote: > >>>> On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:14:33 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >>>>> Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>>>>> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson wrote: > >>>>>>> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. > >>>>>>> Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file > >>>>>>> manager? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web > >>>>>> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me > >>>>>> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for > >>>>>> KDE4. > >>>>> > >>>>> No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing > >>>>> features. (A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a > >>>>> decent analogy for this) > >>>> > >>>> first off, let me laugh. LOL I'm sorry man are you new to linux or > >>>> kde? Konqueror has been a file manager since I don't know how long, > >>>> let me say RH 6.1 or somewhere around there. can anyone verify? Anyway > >>>> I've been using konqueror as a file manager for quite a few years I'd > >>>> say a good 6 or 8 years and been using linux for around 10 or 12 > >>>> years. Also from what I can see, I believe you got it backwards, > >>>> wouldn't it make more sense if dolphin was using the konqueror kpart > >>>> since konqueror has been around as a file manager for a long long > >>>> time. Matter of fact all dolphin is, is a stripped down and > >>>> re-arranged konqueror with a different name. :-) > >>> > >>> To answer your questions: > >>> 1) No > >>> 2) No > >>> 3) Didn't say it wasn't > >>> 4) There is no Konqueror KPart for file managing, only the Dolplin > >>> KPart. > >>> > >>> I hope that answered all of those queries. > > > > I didn't receive this reply, unless I accidentally deleted it. Anway yes > > you answered them just fine. :-) > > > > > > > >> Yes, David is being a little rude, > > > > I'm sorry about this. I wasn't trying to sound rude. I was actually > > laughing when I replied. > > > >> but you seem to be > >> intentionally telling us all to just "live with it", and it's no > >> surprise if it rubs us the wrong way. > >> > >> #3 was not strictly said, but you certainly implied it. #4 is > >> completely irrelevant - Konqueror has a file manager kpart, and what > >> it's called doesn't matter a bit to the users. It _would_ have made > >> much more sense to users if both Dolphin and Konqueror had continued to > >> use the same kpart. To cripple konqueror by giving it only _some_ of > >> Dolphin's features, and not even giving Dolphin all the features > >> Konqueror used to have is going to hurt some users and annoy far more. > > > > This was what I was trying to get around to, but I couldn't stop laughing > > at Terence's post where, from what I can tell, sincerely believes > > konqueror has been derived from dolphin. Or at least that's how I > > understood his post. > > Show me the sentence that says that? "Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager?" This sentence to me, makes me wonder if you ever knew that konq has always been a file manager. And the reason I laughed is because you said it with such confidence. That is why I asked if you were new to linux or kde. > All I said was that Konqueror used the Dolphon KPart in KDE4, how did > you get "Konqueror has never been a file manager and Dolphin is older > than konqueror" from that?? > > Really, that's a sincere question. How did you get to "from what I can > tell, sincerely believes konqueror has been derived from dolphin." ? "No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart" You said this and I couldn't help but wonder, so that's why I asked in my reply don't you think it would make more sense to take the file browsing kpart of Konqueror and call it dolphin? In other words, why try to re-invent the wheel. > > On another note, I'm so glad you can be respectful on mailing lists and > not say things like "I couldn't stop laughing at.... > Oh, wait, forget that last part. I'm sorry that you took this the wrong way it wasn't my intention. -- David M. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 12:48:13 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:48:13 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160417u29e7ddacg4f49c7d0e4510f8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <880dece00801160417u29e7ddacg4f49c7d0e4510f8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478DFD0D.5020701@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Graham wrote: >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 >>> "Dotan Cohen" wrote: >>> >>>> Any suggestions for a KDE based >>>> distro that is easy for noobs? >>> Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in >>> Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. >>> >>> For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX >>> >> Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu >> > > Thank you. Linux Mint seems to use the Ubuntu repos, so I will have to > research whether or not it uses KDE 4.0. I'll also look at openSUSE > and possibly Fedora (which I run on other machines). > > I should mention here that I really, really like Fedora, but I do not > use it as I find it too bleeding edge (read: unstable) for everyday > use. So it would be ironic that I go back to Fedora as a daily driver > due to Kubuntu getting too cutting edge. > According to internet news Fedora is scapping KDE3 for KDE4. LInux Mint uses KDE3 at this time. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 Sinclair From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Jan 16 12:39:45 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:39:45 -0500 Subject: Tethering BlackBerry In-Reply-To: <1945233362-1200456342-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247086894-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1945233362-1200456342-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247086894-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200801160739.45254.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 11:05:32 pm C Hamel wrote: > lol No Problem! I'm just about ready to do just that! I wouldn't blame you. -- David M. From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 12:57:54 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:57:54 +0100 Subject: (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation - a few questions more. In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801151710r448c57et1102c4824976c9d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <478D53BB.7090105@stdin.me.uk> <9bed467e0801151710r448c57et1102c4824976c9d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478DFF52.5020307@gmail.com> Dear Terence, Andrew and Henri, Dear Everybody Thanks for your quick answers. Here I summarise them. >> ... This is how sudo is supposed to work, just type your password in and hit enter, it's not printed when you type it. ....Right. It is a little awkward to not have anything echoed back when you type (not even *'s), but don't worry about it. Just type it in and hit enter. ....Normal !!!! it 's sudo passwd ... >> Now, I check whether I understood you well. A few minutes ago, I exactly followed up your advise via the so-called 'root shell': * typing the password without waiting for the *** or any other feedback coming from the screen * simply hitting enter. And indeed, a slightly different result came out. The 'root shell' console shows now the following feed-back: root at Viaconsensus1:~# ¦ With the "¦" I symbolise a cursor I see blinkering on the screen, one position right of '#'. 'Viaconsensus1' is the name I have given to the computer when I installed Kubuntu on it. Does this imply that I am able now to give in commands for which I would need this root access password? However it may be, it seemingly only works like that via the 'root shell'. The other consoles still seem to stagnate when I give in there 'sudo passwrd': they do not recognise any more 'sudo' or 'passwrd'. Has this to do with the fact that I STAY in the root area after one time correctly giving in a password? Respectfully yours. Bas. From stdin at stdin.me.uk Wed Jan 16 13:00:55 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:00:55 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801160738.02500.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <47875868.9020804@stdin.me.uk> <200801152225.41841.d.mcglone@att.net> <478D8056.4080708@stdin.me.uk> <200801160738.02500.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <478E0007.7080303@stdin.me.uk> David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2008 10:56:06 pm Terence Simpson wrote: > >> Show me the sentence that says that? >> > > "Did you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file > manager?" > > This sentence to me, makes me wonder if you ever knew that konq has always > been a file manager. And the reason I laughed is because you said it with > such confidence. That is why I asked if you were new to linux or kde. > I just meant that in KDE4 Konqueror is the default web browser and not the file manager. > >> All I said was that Konqueror used the Dolphon KPart in KDE4, how did >> you get "Konqueror has never been a file manager and Dolphin is older >> than konqueror" from that?? >> >> Really, that's a sincere question. How did you get to "from what I can >> tell, sincerely believes konqueror has been derived from dolphin." ? >> > > "No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart" > > You said this and I couldn't help but wonder, so that's why I asked in my > reply don't you think it would make more sense to take the file browsing > kpart of Konqueror and call it dolphin? In other words, why try to re-invent > the wheel. > Personally, I do, but I didn't have a part in the decision making process in KDE there. > >> On another note, I'm so glad you can be respectful on mailing lists and >> not say things like "I couldn't stop laughing at.... >> Oh, wait, forget that last part. >> > > I'm sorry that you took this the wrong way it wasn't my intention. > > Well, I'm glad we have it cleared up now :) From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 13:37:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:37:07 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478DFD0D.5020701@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <880dece00801160417u29e7ddacg4f49c7d0e4510f8c@mail.gmail.com> <478DFD0D.5020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801160537i79d51740qdefdfb04313561ce@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > According to internet news Fedora is scapping KDE3 for KDE4. LInux Mint > uses KDE3 at this time. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 > > Sinclair Thanks. I'm still on Fedora [Core] 6, but I was planning on installing 8, which is still KDE 3.x. Installing the _latest_ Fedora (9 will be the latest when Kubuntu 8.04 is the newest Kubuntu) is only asking for trouble! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 16 15:07:38 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:07:38 +0100 Subject: (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation - a few questions more. In-Reply-To: <478DFF52.5020307@gmail.com> References: <478D53BB.7090105@stdin.me.uk> <9bed467e0801151710r448c57et1102c4824976c9d4@mail.gmail.com> <478DFF52.5020307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478E1DBA.8070402@free.fr> you just made a syntax error :) it's not sudo passwrd but sudo passwd root for exemple but that's not a good thing as people would say ! lol i always work in root (blame on me !!! lol) Bas Roufs a écrit : > Dear Terence, Andrew and Henri, Dear Everybody > > Thanks for your quick answers. Here I summarise them. > >>> ... This is how sudo is supposed to work, just type your password in and hit enter, it's not printed when you type it. ....Right. It is a little awkward to not have anything echoed back when you type (not even *'s), but don't worry about it. Just type it in and hit enter. ....Normal !!!! it 's sudo passwd ... >>> >>> > Now, I check whether I understood you well. A few minutes ago, I exactly > followed up your advise via the so-called 'root shell': > * typing the password without waiting for the *** or any other feedback > coming from the screen > * simply hitting enter. > And indeed, a slightly different result came out. The 'root shell' > console shows now the following feed-back: > root at Viaconsensus1:~# ¦ > With the "¦" I symbolise a cursor I see blinkering on the screen, one > position right of '#'. 'Viaconsensus1' is the name I have given to the > computer when I installed Kubuntu on it. Does this imply that I am able > now to give in commands for which I would need this root access password? > However it may be, it seemingly only works like that via the 'root > shell'. The other consoles still seem to stagnate when I give in there > 'sudo passwrd': they do not recognise any more 'sudo' or 'passwrd'. Has > this to do with the fact that I STAY in the root area after one time > correctly giving in a password? > > Respectfully yours. > > Bas. > > > From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 15:24:36 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:24:36 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160537i79d51740qdefdfb04313561ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DFD0D.5020701@gmail.com> <880dece00801160537i79d51740qdefdfb04313561ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801160924.36376.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 07:37:07 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > > According to internet news Fedora is scapping KDE3 for KDE4. LInux Mint > > uses KDE3 at this time. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 > > > > Sinclair > > Thanks. I'm still on Fedora [Core] 6, but I was planning on installing > 8, which is still KDE 3.x. Installing the _latest_ Fedora (9 will be > the latest when Kubuntu 8.04 is the newest Kubuntu) is only asking for > trouble! Also, Don't forget about PCLinuxOS, its KDE based, and overtook Ubuntu in the Distrowatch page hits, so there may be something there. I've downloaded the iso image for 2007 which was released in Dec. I'm also looking at Mepis, so we'll see which of the those is better. However, I'm not going to stay with an ugly on-the-side for a distro. And that is exactly how Kubuntu is being handled. I really can't use language strong enough to assert how ignorant I think Kubuntu's current direction is. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 15:25:56 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:25:56 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478DF0DF.2020705@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DF0DF.2020705@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801160925.56548.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 05:56:15 am Girard Henri wrote: > mandriva I think that's the easiest one :) > Though i use kubuntu, mandrake has been many years my favorite distro > you can get easyurpmi.org repos for enlarging your rpms > > Dotan Cohen a écrit : > > On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think > >> you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and > >> KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main > >> developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" > >> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ > > > > Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating > > system with optional bleeding edge components. > > > > If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then > > it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually > > cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in > > my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must > > ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty > > until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based > > distro that is easy for noobs? The only problem there (Mandriva wise) is that you have to pay for the updates. Unless I'm badly mistaken. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 15:27:00 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:27:00 +0100 Subject: SOLVED (Newbie) [sudo] password stagnation.... In-Reply-To: <478E1DBA.8070402@free.fr> References: <478D53BB.7090105@stdin.me.uk> <9bed467e0801151710r448c57et1102c4824976c9d4@mail.gmail.com> <478DFF52.5020307@gmail.com> <478E1DBA.8070402@free.fr> Message-ID: <478E2244.5090209@gmail.com> > ...you just made a syntax error :) ... > Thanks, now, everything is clear. The "devil" is in the detail ....:-) Warm greetings, Bas. From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 15:29:12 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:29:12 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478D8A63.7040108@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <478D8A63.7040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801160929.12160.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 10:38:59 pm O. Sinclair wrote: > Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > According to the notes and discussion from the past two Kubuntu Devel > > mtgs, I think the mtg notes were posted to this list and the devel list > > there is going to be a cd of KDE3.5 released on cdimages.ubuntu.com > > and then 4.0 will be avialable from shipit > > and from releases.ubuntu.com > > > > Hope that helps clarify things > > I guess I can live with that (or have to as it seems...) though I think > it should be the other way around. I still think that to make a KDE4 > that does not even have a beta PIM in place the "base" package is > completely wrong. I have understood why Canonical do not want to make > 8.04 an LTS though I think they are wrong too - if they can tinker with > a by now ancient version of Gnome for 6.06 then I think keeping a stable > KDE 3.5.8 (or 9) could not be that difficult. > > Sinclair The problem isn't "can" or "Can't" its "will" and "will not". They "could" they just "will not". -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From lists at ptfd.org Wed Jan 16 15:33:22 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:33:22 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801161033.22866.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 05:01:10 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > > And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think > > you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and > > KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main > > developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" > > http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ > > Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating > system with optional bleeding edge components. > > If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then > it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually > cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in > my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must > ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty > until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based > distro that is easy for noobs? > > Dotan Cohen > Sheesh, While I agree I'm not throwin the towell in so quick. I'll continue to convert ppl using kubuntu and 3.5.8, and continue to work with 4.0.0 on my laptop, wihich is my main machine that I DO get all my work done on!. Mike > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Wed Jan 16 13:46:23 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:46:23 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160417u29e7ddacg4f49c7d0e4510f8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <880dece00801160417u29e7ddacg4f49c7d0e4510f8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:17:18 +0200 "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > I should mention here that I really, really like Fedora, but I do not > use it as I find it too bleeding edge (read: unstable) for everyday > use. So it would be ironic that I go back to Fedora as a daily driver > due to Kubuntu getting too cutting edge. [snipped] That's the beauty of Debian. You can set it up to use "stable", "unstable" or "testing" repositories - with the stable ones really NOT cutting edge. Debian, on the other hand has an awful installer IMHO, so I use Mepis to install the system. -- Graham From lists at ptfd.org Wed Jan 16 15:41:54 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:41:54 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3 and KDE 4 and LTS In-Reply-To: <478D8A63.7040108@gmail.com> References: <478B4D5E.5050409@gmail.com> <478D8A63.7040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801161041.54462.lists@ptfd.org> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 11:38:59 pm O. Sinclair wrote: > Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > According to the notes and discussion from the past two Kubuntu Devel > > mtgs, I think the mtg notes were posted to this list and the devel list > > there is going to be a cd of KDE3.5 released on cdimages.ubuntu.com > > and then 4.0 will be avialable from shipit > > and from releases.ubuntu.com > > > > Hope that helps clarify things > > I guess I can live with that (or have to as it seems...) though I think > it should be the other way around. I still think that to make a KDE4 > that does not even have a beta PIM in place the "base" package is > completely wrong. I have understood why Canonical do not want to make > 8.04 an LTS though I think they are wrong too - if they can tinker with > a by now ancient version of Gnome for 6.06 then I think keeping a stable > KDE 3.5.8 (or 9) could not be that difficult. > > Sinclair kde4.0 and kdepim-3.5.7_(whatever it is kubuntu is currently using) works fine on my machine, although I had to uninstall kwallet-3.5.8 so it would call kwallet 4.0. While there are a few difficluties I'm working on, like cxoffice menu's still unable to make them appear in kde4's menus? and MyPasswordSafe segfaulting, and knetworkmanager not autostarting... Mike From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 15:53:32 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:53:32 +0200 Subject: EMI music CD DRM issue In-Reply-To: <200801151142.49252.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801151142.49252.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801161753.32744.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Well, to answer my query, use: cdparanoia -B It went to the cd rom, found the tracks and made me a bunch of wav files. Very cool. d > My friend bought me a Mozart CD on the EMI Classics label. I eagerly > loaded it into Kubuntu and it comes up in Konqueror with all kinds of > autorun Windowsy looking stuff. No actual music files that I can find. > > It says it's "Copy controlled" :( > > Does anyone have a clue? I assume that its a multi-session CD of some > stripe - how can I have a look at the entire disk and/or rip the tracks off > it so I can listen to them? > > If all else fails, I'll dust-off the laptop and see what it does. > > \d -- The curse of man, and cause of nearly all of his woes, is his stupendous capacity for believing the incredible. -- H L Mencken Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From lists at ptfd.org Wed Jan 16 15:47:47 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:47:47 -0500 Subject: Dolphin help In-Reply-To: <200801160101.47529.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801151729.27389.lists@ptfd.org> <200801160101.47529.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801161047.47483.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 01:01:47 am Richard wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2008 5:29:27 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > I am really trying to accept dolphin, I can get it, I like some parts of > > it and am getting used to it. But! (you knew that was coming) 1. > > Retrospekt will not run with it.. :( > > > > #2. if dolphin is the default file manager then why if I'm in kde4 and a > > past a shortcut to a file location on teh desktop, when I click on it it > > opens in konqueror? It would be nice if it would open in dolphin., at > > least for consistency.. > > > > Mike > > Well, I got rid of flipper, using konqueror, > now if konqueror would kick firefox butt, as a web browser, > then I would be very happy. > I would switch back to konqueror as file manager but I got used to some of the quick functions of dolphin, ie, the pane along the right side with file information when hovering over a file, an icon to switch to previews on the toolbar etc.. Actually those are the main 2 I use all the time. Also while we are talking about konqueror as a web browser, (which I do like, I use ff occasionally due to some comp-atibility issues on a few sites I use regularly) I cant figure out how I had a small bar to the right of the addressbar on 3.5.8 for quick searching on search engines? Mike From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Wed Jan 16 16:00:01 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:00:01 -0500 Subject: Multiple Desktops - Disable switching with mouse cursor Message-ID: Every time I touch the right edge of my screen witht he mouse cursor (to unhide my "faux OS X Dock" panel it switches desktops. Is there away I can turn this off? Ive searched pretty thorughly through the panel settings in kControl as well as the rest of the settings under desktop, appearance, and the configure desktops menu. Thanx! From yogich246 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 16:04:10 2008 From: yogich246 at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?QyBIYW1lbA==?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:10 +0000 Subject: Tethering BlackBerry Message-ID: <964064901-1200499529-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1699165592-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I think nobody knows the answer to this one, anyhow. Oh well. I'm just so sick of being stuck on XP while trying to figure it out. -- ...Yogi C.H. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jan 16 16:25:36 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:25:36 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > Graham wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 >> "Dotan Cohen" wrote: >> >> >>> Any suggestions for a KDE based >>> distro that is easy for noobs? >>> >> Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in >> Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. >> >> For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX >> >> > Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu > > > > As Shakespeare would say, "Much ado about nothing." I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. I can't say I agree with some of the decisions made by the powers that be either. BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let them work out some of the kinks. 7.10 is stable and does what I want with a minimum of fuss and bother. I don't necessarily need "bleeding edge" stuff. A couple updates down the road and I'll bump up. Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 16:41:12 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:41:12 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801160841g1dac1eb1t6ab87bbb07ae23f0@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 16, 2008 11:25 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > As Shakespeare would say, "Much ado about nothing." > > I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that > will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch > short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. > > I can't say I agree with some of the decisions made by the powers that > be either. BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the > first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let > them work out some of the kinks. 7.10 is stable and does what I want > with a minimum of fuss and bother. I don't necessarily need "bleeding > edge" stuff. A couple updates down the road and I'll bump up. > > Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY > changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't > done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? > > IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. I whole-heartedly agree with you on this. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Jan 16 17:03:17 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:03:17 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> Billie Walsh wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Graham wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 >>> "Dotan Cohen" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Any suggestions for a KDE based >>>> distro that is easy for noobs? >>>> >>> Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in >>> Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. >>> >>> For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX >>> >>> >> Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu >> >> >> >> > As Shakespeare would say, "Much ado about nothing." > > I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that > will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch > short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. > > I can't say I agree with some of the decisions made by the powers that > be either. BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the > first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let > them work out some of the kinks. 7.10 is stable and does what I want > with a minimum of fuss and bother. I don't necessarily need "bleeding > edge" stuff. A couple updates down the road and I'll bump up. > > Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY > changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't > done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? > > IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. > If this is a vote thing - I vote to stick with Kubuntu. Feisty is serving me well for now and I will wait to see what happens - who needs bleeding edge anyway? (My daughter has Gutsy and is complaining that the Gimp (rc version) is broken in places). Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 16 17:15:32 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:15:32 +0100 Subject: Multiple Desktops - Disable switching with mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801161815.32895.kassube@gmx.net> Ant Cunningham wrote: > Every time I touch the right edge of my screen witht he mouse cursor > (to unhide my "faux OS X Dock" panel it switches desktops. Is there > away I can turn this off? System settings -> Personal / Desktop -> Window Behaviour / Advanced. At "Active Desktop Borders" select "Disabled". That's with my Dapper machine - probably it hasn't changed until Gutsy. Nils From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Wed Jan 16 17:19:23 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:19:23 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <20080116172059.4A1911287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 17:03 16/01/2008, you wrote: >If this is a vote thing - I vote to stick with Kubuntu. >Feisty is serving me well for now and I will wait to see what happens - >who needs bleeding edge anyway? (My daughter has Gutsy and is >complaining that the Gimp (rc version) is broken in places). Gimp updated on my Gutsy a few days ago - it's no longer rc. From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Wed Jan 16 17:24:35 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: Multiple Desktops - Disable switching with mouse cursor In-Reply-To: <200801161815.32895.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 1/16/08 12:15 PM, "Nils Kassube" wrote: > System settings -> Personal / Desktop -> Window Behaviour / Advanced. > At "Active Desktop Borders" select "Disabled". That's with my Dapper > machine - probably it hasn't changed until Gutsy. > That did the trick. don't know how I missed it. Thanks! -ant From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 16 17:33:30 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:33:30 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801160925.56548.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DF0DF.2020705@free.fr> <200801160925.56548.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478E3FEA.2070201@free.fr> you are badly mistaken :) I even use cooker which is the unstable bleding edge But you have to set easyurpmi to get all packages ... Howard Coles Jr. a écrit : > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 05:56:15 am Girard Henri wrote: > >> mandriva I think that's the easiest one :) >> Though i use kubuntu, mandrake has been many years my favorite distro >> you can get easyurpmi.org repos for enlarging your rpms >> >> Dotan Cohen a écrit : >> >>> On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> >>>> And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think >>>> you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and >>>> KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main >>>> developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" >>>> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ >>>> >>> Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating >>> system with optional bleeding edge components. >>> >>> If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then >>> it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually >>> cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in >>> my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must >>> ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty >>> until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based >>> distro that is easy for noobs? >>> > > The only problem there (Mandriva wise) is that you have to pay for the > updates. Unless I'm badly mistaken. > > > > From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 16 17:41:55 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:41:55 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <478E41E3.6040502@free.fr> I play with bleeding edge :) After trying few distros I got back to kubuntu as it is the quickest installed :) For 64 bits it's the only one which works on my acer aspire though i like fedora or mandriva but I got few problems with them... keyboard on mandriva 32bits is funy in french On fedora i can't get my ethernet card working ... i rarely keep a distro for more than 3 months :) I often crash them ! lol Nigel Ridley a écrit : > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> Graham wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 >>>> "Dotan Cohen" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Any suggestions for a KDE based >>>>> distro that is easy for noobs? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in >>>> Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. >>>> >>>> For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> As Shakespeare would say, "Much ado about nothing." >> >> I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that >> will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch >> short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. >> >> I can't say I agree with some of the decisions made by the powers that >> be either. BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the >> first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let >> them work out some of the kinks. 7.10 is stable and does what I want >> with a minimum of fuss and bother. I don't necessarily need "bleeding >> edge" stuff. A couple updates down the road and I'll bump up. >> >> Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY >> changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't >> done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? >> >> IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. >> >> > > If this is a vote thing - I vote to stick with Kubuntu. > Feisty is serving me well for now and I will wait to see what happens - > who needs bleeding edge anyway? (My daughter has Gutsy and is > complaining that the Gimp (rc version) is broken in places). > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 16 17:50:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:50:35 -0400 Subject: Root password security References: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13673336.H1GyGpfQQJ@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > The way Kubuntu is set up it is fairly easy for a user to boot up in > "rescue mode" and gain full access to the computer as root user from > command prompt. I don't really like this. If I set a password for root > will it have any impact on "sudo" functionality? No. How would you propose preventing a user booting in "rescue mode"? Every Linux does that. afaik, your only option is to put a password in grub. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 16 17:57:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:57:27 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3980259.xcl6v3XNEB@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that > will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch > short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. I agree. > BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the > first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let > them work out some of the kinks. That's my plan. I'm not at all happy with KDE4 as it is, but I have few doubts that it will improve. But if, in future, I can't use Konqueror the way I use it now I may very well get around to trying a whole different desktop. Konqueror is the killer app that keeps me on KDE. > Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY > changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't > done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? That's the only option I'm even thinking about. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 16 17:53:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:53:29 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <1892475.3mI23xOexp@cedar.serverforest.com> Terence Simpson wrote: > WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: >> >> It has already been explained at least once in this thread...and it made >> complete logical sense. If you extrapolate it out, it certainly seems >> that KDE4 _was_ the factor that ruled out the LTS...it's the only >> logical answer. >> > KDE4 being in existence yes, Kubuntu choosing it for release no, that > was after we were informed we weren't going to be LTS. Sorry, I thought that was what I was saying. The mere fact of KDE4 being around puts canonical into a difficult situation re support. I don't see that they had an option. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 16 17:59:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:59:10 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801151821j3e208cb5i1d1b08b2e679efc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2663915.lRbMzS8Kp7@cedar.serverforest.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > On Jan 15, 2008 4:21 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> >> No. Just plain no. I _always_ use IE on Windows for all my file >> browsing. >> > > > Believe what you want, then. Believe? You are the one who is acting on faith. I use IE as a file manager - it has all the things you claim don't exist. -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 18:25:07 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:25:07 +0200 Subject: Root password security In-Reply-To: <13673336.H1GyGpfQQJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> <13673336.H1GyGpfQQJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <478E4C03.9000409@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> The way Kubuntu is set up it is fairly easy for a user to boot up in >> "rescue mode" and gain full access to the computer as root user from >> command prompt. I don't really like this. If I set a password for root >> will it have any impact on "sudo" functionality? > > No. How would you propose preventing a user booting in "rescue mode"? > Every Linux does that. afaik, your only option is to put a password in > grub. I don't want to remove the option - I want a password request on it, you know like "username:" followed by "password:". I generally do not like the idea of my computer being open to access by anyone who gets their hands on it. So I figured that if I booted into "rescue" (I hope we mean the same) mode and set a password I would be asked for that next time. But wanted to make sure I don't get headaches from my normal login. From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Jan 16 18:33:43 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:43 +0200 Subject: Gimp, was Re: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <20080116172059.4A1911287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> <20080116172059.4A1911287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> Message-ID: <478E4E07.4010302@rmk.co.il> David Fletcher wrote: > At 17:03 16/01/2008, you wrote: > > >> If this is a vote thing - I vote to stick with Kubuntu. >> Feisty is serving me well for now and I will wait to see what happens - >> who needs bleeding edge anyway? (My daughter has Gutsy and is >> complaining that the Gimp (rc version) is broken in places). > > Gimp updated on my Gutsy a few days ago - it's no longer rc. > > Just did the update > dist-upgrade - now it is a stable version :-) Just one question - my daughter, "By mistake" closed the 'second' Gimp window (the one with the layers, channels, paths - and at the bottom: brushes etc) and I can't find out how to get it back. Without resorting to renaming the Gimp dot file in her home directory, how do I get it back? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Wed Jan 16 18:41:57 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:41:57 +0000 Subject: Root password security In-Reply-To: <478E4C03.9000409@gmail.com> References: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> <13673336.H1GyGpfQQJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <478E4C03.9000409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801161841.57497.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Wednesday 16 Jan 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > [snip] ...I generally do not like > the idea of my computer being open to access by anyone who gets their > hands on it. So I figured that if I booted into "rescue" (I hope we mean > the same) mode and set a password I would be asked for that next time. If someone has physical access to your PC any security like this is pointless as they could boot from a CD or USB stick, bypassing GRUB altogether and then have full access to your hard drive. Or they could pull the hard drive out of the PC and connect it to another PC as a secondary drive and access it all. About the only way to stop any of this completely is to encrypt your hard drive. Anyway, the howto for what you want is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7353 -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Jan 16 19:07:06 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:07:06 -0500 Subject: Gimp, was Re: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E4E07.4010302@rmk.co.il> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <20080116172059.4A1911287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> <478E4E07.4010302@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801161407.06641.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 1:33:43 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: > David Fletcher wrote: > > At 17:03 16/01/2008, you wrote: > >> If this is a vote thing - I vote to stick with Kubuntu. > >> Feisty is serving me well for now and I will wait to see what happens - > >> who needs bleeding edge anyway? (My daughter has Gutsy and is > >> complaining that the Gimp (rc version) is broken in places). > > > > Gimp updated on my Gutsy a few days ago - it's no longer rc. > > Just did the update > dist-upgrade - now it is a stable version :-) > > Just one question - my daughter, "By mistake" closed the 'second' Gimp > window (the one with the layers, channels, paths - and at the bottom: > brushes etc) and I can't find out how to get it back. > Without resorting to renaming the Gimp dot file in her home directory, > how do I get it back? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ It should be possible from the File -- Dialogs area, but I can't seem to get the original setup exactly the way it was. If you delete the file ~/.gimp-2.4/sessionrc, it will revert to the default layout -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 19:55:07 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:55:07 +0200 Subject: Root password security In-Reply-To: <200801161841.57497.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> References: <478DD480.3040502@gmail.com> <13673336.H1GyGpfQQJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <478E4C03.9000409@gmail.com> <200801161841.57497.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> Message-ID: <478E611B.10703@gmail.com> Colin Pinkney wrote: > On Wednesday 16 Jan 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >> [snip] ...I generally do not like >> the idea of my computer being open to access by anyone who gets their >> hands on it. So I figured that if I booted into "rescue" (I hope we mean >> the same) mode and set a password I would be asked for that next time. > > If someone has physical access to your PC any security like this is pointless > as they could boot from a CD or USB stick, bypassing GRUB altogether and then > have full access to your hard drive. Or they could pull the hard drive out of > the PC and connect it to another PC as a secondary drive and access it all. > About the only way to stop any of this completely is to encrypt your hard > drive. > > Anyway, the howto for what you want is here: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7353 > that was a bit over the top for me. I logged in to rescue mode and typed "passwd", set a password. Now when I choose Rescue login I get a query "type password or press CTRL+D to continue". If I type no password it continues to "normal" boot. I know there are ways around everything but I like this better than no password at all. Sinclair From lists at ptfd.org Wed Jan 16 20:33:45 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:33:45 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801161533.45970.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 11:25:36 am Billie Walsh wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > > Graham wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:01:10 +0200 > >> > >> "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > >>> Any suggestions for a KDE based > >>> distro that is easy for noobs? > >> > >> Try Mepis. It uses KDE and once used the ubuntu repositories but in > >> Mepis 7.0 changed to using the Debian repositories. > >> > >> For older architecture, they've got a cut down version called antiX > > > > Linux Mint is another at www.linuxmint.com, based on Ubuntu > > As Shakespeare would say, "Much ado about nothing." > > I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that > will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch > short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. > > I can't say I agree with some of the decisions made by the powers that > be either. BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the > first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let > them work out some of the kinks. 7.10 is stable and does what I want > with a minimum of fuss and bother. I don't necessarily need "bleeding > edge" stuff. A couple updates down the road and I'll bump up. > > Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY > changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't > done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? > > IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. here here! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 20:50:28 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:50:28 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E3FEA.2070201@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801160925.56548.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E3FEA.2070201@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 11:33:30 am Girard Henri wrote: > you are badly mistaken :) > I even use cooker which is the unstable bleding edge > But you have to set easyurpmi to get all packages ... > > Howard Coles Jr. a écrit : > > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 05:56:15 am Girard Henri wrote: > >> mandriva I think that's the easiest one :) > >> Though i use kubuntu, mandrake has been many years my favorite distro > >> you can get easyurpmi.org repos for enlarging your rpms > >> > >> Dotan Cohen a écrit : > >>> On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > >>>> And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think > >>>> you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and > >>>> KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main > >>>> developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" > >>>> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ > >>> > >>> Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating > >>> system with optional bleeding edge components. > >>> > >>> If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then > >>> it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually > >>> cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in > >>> my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must > >>> ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty > >>> until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based > >>> distro that is easy for noobs? > > > > The only problem there (Mandriva wise) is that you have to pay for the > > updates. Unless I'm badly mistaken. Thanks for the update there, and for free. :-D. I haven't played with Mandriva at all, and its been a couple of years since I played with Mandrake. Other than PCLinuxOS which I believe is spun off from Mandriva, I've basically stuck with Kubuntu. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 16 21:21:31 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:21:31 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801160925.56548.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E3FEA.2070201@free.fr> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478E755B.80600@free.fr> I used Mandrake and Mandriva for years ... first up to 10 I think :) Then I couldn't install it till mandriva "one" my pc was too old... And I don't like their politic but as we can get soft in cooker or with easyurpmi there is no problem :) I tried mainy distros around different flavors and all quiete good I stick to kubuntu because it has all in one :) And hardy with kde4 is really a pleasure... I didn't even install kde3 neither qt3 as I start with qt4... Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 11:33:30 am Girard Henri wrote: > >> you are badly mistaken :) >> I even use cooker which is the unstable bleding edge >> But you have to set easyurpmi to get all packages ... >> >> Howard Coles Jr. a écrit : >> >>> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 05:56:15 am Girard Henri wrote: >>> >>>> mandriva I think that's the easiest one :) >>>> Though i use kubuntu, mandrake has been many years my favorite distro >>>> you can get easyurpmi.org repos for enlarging your rpms >>>> >>>> Dotan Cohen a écrit : >>>> >>>>> On 16/01/2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And as I have pointed out in another thread I, and many others, think >>>>>> you are doing it the wrong way round. Keep 3.5 as the base package and >>>>>> KDE4 as a bleeding-edge add-on. As it is - even according to the main >>>>>> developers "KDE 4.0.0 is not KDE4" >>>>>> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ >>>>>> >>>>> Exactly. Then you have Kubuntu as a stable, feature-rich operating >>>>> system with optional bleeding edge components. >>>>> >>>>> If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then >>>>> it is not suitable for everyday use. I replace Windows XP (usually >>>>> cracked) on about three or four machines a month for other students in >>>>> my university. As Kubuntu is their first impression of Linux, I must >>>>> ensure that it is a good impression. I'll probably stick with Feisty >>>>> until I land a new distro, though. Any suggestions for a KDE based >>>>> distro that is easy for noobs? >>>>> >>> The only problem there (Mandriva wise) is that you have to pay for the >>> updates. Unless I'm badly mistaken. >>> > > Thanks for the update there, and for free. :-D. > > I haven't played with Mandriva at all, and its been a couple of years since I > played with Mandrake. Other than PCLinuxOS which I believe is spun off from > Mandriva, I've basically stuck with Kubuntu. > > > From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Wed Jan 16 21:34:34 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:34:34 -0600 Subject: Gimp, was Re: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801161407.06641.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603BF44FB@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> > > Just one question - my daughter, "By mistake" closed the 'second' Gimp > > window (the one with the layers, channels, paths - and at the bottom: > > brushes etc) and I can't find out how to get it back. > > Without resorting to renaming the Gimp dot file in her home directory, > > how do I get it back? Should be able to hit + L to get it back, if that doesn't work, try File > Dialogs > Layers HTH, Tim ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From valtermura at yahoo.it Wed Jan 16 22:16:11 2008 From: valtermura at yahoo.it (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:16:11 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801162316.11495.valtermura@yahoo.it> Il martedì 15 gennaio 2008 22:21:42 Derek Broughton ha scritto: > John DeCarlo wrote: > > While it is true that you can use the file:/// approach in any web > > browser for file browsing, IE has never been able to do any sort of file > > management. No moving of files, no deleting of files, etc. > > > > That capability has always been separate, whether in File Manager or > > Windows Explorer. > > > > In other words, the two capabilities have *never* been joined together in > > the Windows OS, as I said. > > No. Just plain no. I _always_ use IE on Windows for all my file browsing. > Not file:///, just C:\.... It's got moving, it's got deleting, it's got > dragondrop. Under the hood, possibly it really does invoke a different > program, but as far as the user can see, it's one program. Like Konqueror. [OT] Have you ever tried FreeCommander? Free, fast and full of options... -- Valter Gnupg key: 0x9A058949 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo. From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 22:46:58 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:46:58 -0800 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2663915.lRbMzS8Kp7@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801151821j3e208cb5i1d1b08b2e679efc4@mail.gmail.com> <2663915.lRbMzS8Kp7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2008 9:59 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > John DeCarlo wrote: > > > On Jan 15, 2008 4:21 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > >> > >> No. Just plain no. I _always_ use IE on Windows for all my file > >> browsing. > >> > > > > > > Believe what you want, then. > > Believe? You are the one who is acting on faith. I use IE as a file > manager - it has all the things you claim don't exist. Technically you use Explorer. **Internet** Explorer is something totally different. You can use IE as a file manager, but it usually just opens Explorer in a new window, or at least that's what it's doing now on the public terminal I'm using at the moment. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman John 3:16! If Microsoft is the Wal*Mart of the Software World, then Linux is the Home Depot From wdrwc at o2.pl Wed Jan 16 23:23:56 2008 From: wdrwc at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?wdrwc?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:23:56 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?problem_with_adept_on_kubuntu_7.10_amd64?= Message-ID: <35d4d09c.372e0580.478e920c.c9d7b@o2.pl> I have just installed kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and I have a problem with adept. Every time I try to upgrade or install a package I get the message: Could not commit changes - Adept Manager There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. but packages get installed. Is it a problem with the configuration of my system? I would appreciate any suggestion. jstar From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 23:24:51 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:24:51 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E755B.80600@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 03:21:31 pm Girard Henri wrote: > I used Mandrake and Mandriva for years ... first up to 10 I think :) > And hardy with kde4 is really a pleasure... > I didn't even install kde3 neither qt3 as I start with qt4... > So Let me ask ya' All the things folks are complaining about in KDE 4 in Gutsy, are they as "non-functional" in Hardy? a. can't resize Panels (where the Kmenu is if its not called a "panel" any more). b. Can't select multiple objects on the desktop without moving the background. c. unstable. d. can't alter widgets (?) from plasma. e. can't configure Mouse buttons (like for a lefty or just to alter what the 3rd button does). f. can't run Pidgin. My main concern is running Gnome apps generally, as Pidgin and Gnucash are quite important around here. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 23:32:37 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:32:37 -0600 Subject: Advice on Partitioning ? In-Reply-To: <200801151019.CAA12252@xpresso.seaslug.org> References: <200801151019.CAA12252@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <200801161732.37719.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Tuesday 15 January 2008 04:19:28 am Bill Vance wrote: > On Mon Jan 14 05:36:22 2008 Derek Broughton wrote: > >Bill Vance wrote: > >> On Sun Jan 13 20:12:54 2008 Clark wrote: > >>>Can someone suggest a good place to start reading up on the subject of > >>>Partitioning and if possible the software used and where to get it. > >>>Wine is way too exotic for me at this stage. > >> > >> If you're dealling with kubuntu 7.04, hang it up; It's completely > >> incapable of dealling with anything more complicated than a, "swap", > >> partition, and a > >> single, "/", partition, which contains everything. _ANY_ attempt to > >> create more partitions, using any of the available file systems, simply > >> generates > > > >What utter crap. What have you been smoking? I've been using > >separate /, /home, /var, /usr and swap partitions since Warty. Since > >that's too many for primary partitions, I've been using a mix of Primary > >and Logical partitions. Since Dapper, /home, /var and /usr have even been > >on an LVM. I'll admit that the LVM initially caused me a few headaches, > >and I'm still not convinced it was necessary or even wise, but separating > >(at least) /var and /home from the more static partitions is always a good > >idea. > > Agreed; I like to keep them _all_ seperated. As to your first question, > I've been smoking my shorts and shooting up shoe polish, trying to match in > with the altered consiousness state of the daemonmic entity that set up > install software incapable of dealing with making partitions and file > systems that work. Nice that it works for you, but that don't help me > worth spit. You know, . . . now that I think about it there was one version of Kubuntu that had serious problems installing, unless you used the Alternative install CD. There was an update to it, like 6.06.1 or something like that (may not have been 6.06 I just can't remember now), that followed fairly quickly that fixed it. I remember not being able to boot after doing an install because the install CD never copied or installed the kernel to the right place. However, 7.04, and 7.10 were just fine for installers. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From phredsky at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 00:49:46 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:49:46 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help Message-ID: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie and don't know what to do . Thanks Fred From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 01:10:46 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:10:46 -0500 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801161710m5ef9eb07j7eaea113b88d99ea@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 16, 2008 7:49 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until > I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie > and don't know what to do . > > > Thanks > Fred How so? Is the problem resolution, fonts, etc.? Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From phredsky at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 01:29:59 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:29:59 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801161710m5ef9eb07j7eaea113b88d99ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <9bed467e0801161710m5ef9eb07j7eaea113b88d99ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478EAF97.8070708@earthlink.net> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Jan 16, 2008 7:49 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until >> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie >> and don't know what to do . >> >> >> Thanks >> Fred >> > > How so? Is the problem resolution, fonts, etc.? > > Andrew > > Hi Andrew I think the problem is resolution. The login screen looks like a lot of little screens. I had to pull the plug. Thanks Fred From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 01:49:04 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:49:04 -0500 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EAF97.8070708@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <9bed467e0801161710m5ef9eb07j7eaea113b88d99ea@mail.gmail.com> <478EAF97.8070708@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801161749r7dbd3af0g8648aa3d6c7f3ae3@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 16, 2008 8:29 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > Andrew Jarrett wrote: > > On Jan 16, 2008 7:49 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > > > >> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until > >> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie > >> and don't know what to do . > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Fred > >> > > > > How so? Is the problem resolution, fonts, etc.? > > > > Andrew > > > > > Hi Andrew > I think the problem is resolution. The login screen looks like a lot of > little screens. I had to pull the plug. > > > Thanks > Fred What brand video card do you have? Were you using the restricted drivers (the ones provided from the nvidia or ati)? Try using your install CD for Kubuntu. Boot off of the CD and if the graphics work (doesn't have to be perfect), then copy the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf (generated by the live CD) to the etc/X11 directory on your Kubuntu installation. Restart and if you copied it correctly you should have a working display. After this you can play with video card drivers, resolution, etc. I'm not exactly sure of the origin of your problem, but this should put you back on track. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From phredsky at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 02:10:32 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:10:32 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801161749r7dbd3af0g8648aa3d6c7f3ae3@mail.gmail.com> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <9bed467e0801161710m5ef9eb07j7eaea113b88d99ea@mail.gmail.com> <478EAF97.8070708@earthlink.net> <9bed467e0801161749r7dbd3af0g8648aa3d6c7f3ae3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478EB918.1070206@earthlink.net> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Jan 16, 2008 8:29 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> Andrew Jarrett wrote: >> >>> On Jan 16, 2008 7:49 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until >>>> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie >>>> and don't know what to do . >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> >>> How so? Is the problem resolution, fonts, etc.? >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Andrew >> I think the problem is resolution. The login screen looks like a lot of >> little screens. I had to pull the plug. >> >> >> Thanks >> Fred >> > > What brand video card do you have? Were you using the restricted > drivers (the ones provided from the nvidia or ati)? > > Try using your install CD for Kubuntu. Boot off of the CD and if the > graphics work (doesn't have to be perfect), then copy the file > /etc/X11/xorg.conf (generated by the live CD) to the etc/X11 directory > on your Kubuntu installation. Restart and if you copied it correctly > you should have a working display. After this you can play with video > card drivers, resolution, etc. I'm not exactly sure of the origin of > your problem, but this should put you back on track. > > Andrew > > Thanks Andrew First my graphics adapter is a nvidia Ge Force 6100 n Force 405. I believe i did use the restricted drivers. This afternoon I was playing with themes and changed my display to a different resolution, I think it was 1280 x 768 trying to make the screen easier to read. I also d/l thunderbird and tried to add the Lightening add-on it wouldn't work. I finally gave up on that one. Any way Ill try to boot up the live cd and see what happens. Thank you Fred From dhcolesj at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 03:20:19 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:20:19 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 06:49:46 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until > I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie > and don't know what to do . try going to tty2, which is a shell, and see what it looks like. Hit [ctrl]+[Alt]+[F2] to do that. If the login prompt looks Ok its probably just a config issue with xorg.conf If you still can't see anything, its probably a driver issue. What kind of video card do you run? -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 03:31:00 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:31:00 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > As Shakespeare would say, "Much ado about nothing." > > I think everyone is getting their panties in a wad over something that > will blow over in the very near future. OK, so they screwed the pooch > short term. Long term I think things will work out fine. > > I can't say I agree with some of the decisions made by the powers that > be either. BUT, I don't plan on running off like a spoiled brat at the > first thing that happens. I will just sit with 7.10 for a while and let > them work out some of the kinks. 7.10 is stable and does what I want > with a minimum of fuss and bother. I don't necessarily need "bleeding > edge" stuff. A couple updates down the road and I'll bump up. > > Besides,if you jump ship and run to another distro what are you REALLY > changing? Everyone is jumping on KDE4. It's the same KDE so you haven't > done anything. Or do you plan on jumping off the KDE bandwagon to? > > IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. I'm calm, but I am looking for a 'home' distro. For two years, that was Fedora for me. When things got too unstable for everyday work, I jumped ship and I've been with Kubuntu for about a year. With all the MS converts that I do I need a very stable distro, as I'm the only one providing tech support to people who's first impression of Linux is whatever I install for them. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 03:32:43 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:32:43 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <478E38D5.7040301@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <880dece00801161932n19853657l84f5d931a07a6669@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > If this is a vote thing - I vote to stick with Kubuntu. > Feisty is serving me well for now and I will wait to see what happens - > who needs bleeding edge anyway? (My daughter has Gutsy and is > complaining that the Gimp (rc version) is broken in places). > > Blessings, > > Nigel > For myself, I will stick with Feisty as well (Gutsy does not run on my hardware). However, for my users I need a stable, workable distro that will not need to be replaced in a year. Feisty will soon be end of lifed. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 03:37:25 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:37:25 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> On 17/01/2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > So Let me ask ya' > All the things folks are complaining about in KDE 4 in Gutsy, are they > as "non-functional" in Hardy? > a. can't resize Panels (where the Kmenu is if its not called a "panel" any > more). > b. Can't select multiple objects on the desktop without moving the > background. > c. unstable. > d. can't alter widgets (?) from plasma. > e. can't configure Mouse buttons (like for a lefty or just to alter what the > 3rd button does). > f. can't run Pidgin. > > My main concern is running Gnome apps generally, as Pidgin and Gnucash are > quite important around here. Those are KDE 4.0 issues, not Ubuntu issues. And _not_ KDE4 issues (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dhcolesj at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 03:51:31 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:51:31 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801162151.31854.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:37:25 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 17/01/2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > So Let me ask ya' > > All the things folks are complaining about in KDE 4 in Gutsy, are they > > as "non-functional" in Hardy? > > a. can't resize Panels (where the Kmenu is if its not called a > > "panel" any more). > > b. Can't select multiple objects on the desktop without moving > > the background. > > c. unstable. > > d. can't alter widgets (?) from plasma. > > e. can't configure Mouse buttons (like for a lefty or just to > > alter what the 3rd button does). > > f. can't run Pidgin. > > > > My main concern is running Gnome apps generally, as Pidgin and Gnucash > > are quite important around here. > > Those are KDE 4.0 issues, not Ubuntu issues. And _not_ KDE4 issues > (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). > Uh, right. That doesn't answer my question. I'm assuming that if his experience was "pleasurable" then some of those issues were KDE 4.0 on gutsy issues, or running as a side desktop issue, or something. Either way, if they are not problems on Hardy, then there's hope. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 04:00:58 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:00:58 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EB918.1070206@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <9bed467e0801161749r7dbd3af0g8648aa3d6c7f3ae3@mail.gmail.com> <478EB918.1070206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200801162200.59004.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:10:32 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > Andrew Jarrett wrote: > > On Jan 16, 2008 8:29 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > >>> On Jan 16, 2008 7:49 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >>>> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine > >>>> until I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a > >>>> noobie and don't know what to do . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Fred > >>> > >>> How so? Is the problem resolution, fonts, etc.? > >>> > >>> Andrew > >> > >> Hi Andrew > >> I think the problem is resolution. The login screen looks like a lot of > >> little screens. I had to pull the plug. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Fred > > > > What brand video card do you have? Were you using the restricted > > drivers (the ones provided from the nvidia or ati)? > > > > Try using your install CD for Kubuntu. Boot off of the CD and if the > > graphics work (doesn't have to be perfect), then copy the file > > /etc/X11/xorg.conf (generated by the live CD) to the etc/X11 directory > > on your Kubuntu installation. Restart and if you copied it correctly > > you should have a working display. After this you can play with video > > card drivers, resolution, etc. I'm not exactly sure of the origin of > > your problem, but this should put you back on track. > > > > Andrew > > Thanks Andrew > > First my graphics adapter is a nvidia Ge Force 6100 n Force 405. I > believe i did use the restricted drivers. This afternoon I was playing > with themes and changed my display to a different resolution, I think it > was 1280 x 768 trying to make the screen easier to read. I also d/l > thunderbird and tried to add the Lightening add-on it wouldn't work. I > finally gave up on that one. > Any way Ill try to boot up the live cd and see what happens. You don't have to copy a brand new xorg.conf file. Chances are there's a backup version in the /etc/X11 directory already. Even if there's not editing the one that's there to have a resolution that works is easy enough. sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf scroll down until you find the "Screen" Section Looks like: Section "Screen" In that area you'll find display settings with the resolutions inside double quotes. Just change the one for your color depth. You'll find yours by finding the "Defaultdepth" entry just below the "Screen" part. It'll have a number like 16 or 24 beside it. Go to that depth (or change all the depths just in case) and change it to what worked. (hit "i" to insert). (be careful in the default version of VI that comes with Gutsy. If you are in insert mode and hit the arrow keys you'll add new lines with D's or A's and such. so after you have changed some text and want to go to a different line hit the [Esc] key.) "1600x1250" or "1400x1050" or "1280x768" if its a 15" wide screen typical of a lot of laptops today. Hit [Esc] then " : " then type wq and restart. You should be good to go. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From tlenze at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 04:15:13 2008 From: tlenze at gmail.com (Troy Lenze) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:15:13 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801162151.31854.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <200801162151.31854.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200543313.864.9.camel@Galactica> On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 21:51 -0600, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:37:25 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 17/01/2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > > So Let me ask ya' > > > All the things folks are complaining about in KDE 4 in Gutsy, are they > > > as "non-functional" in Hardy? > > > a. can't resize Panels (where the Kmenu is if its not called a > > > "panel" any more). > > > b. Can't select multiple objects on the desktop without moving > > > the background. > > > c. unstable. > > > d. can't alter widgets (?) from plasma. > > > e. can't configure Mouse buttons (like for a lefty or just to > > > alter what the 3rd button does). > > > f. can't run Pidgin. > > > > > > My main concern is running Gnome apps generally, as Pidgin and Gnucash > > > are quite important around here. > > > > Those are KDE 4.0 issues, not Ubuntu issues. And _not_ KDE4 issues > > (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). > > > > Uh, right. > > That doesn't answer my question. I'm assuming that if his experience > was "pleasurable" then some of those issues were KDE 4.0 on gutsy issues, or > running as a side desktop issue, or something. Either way, if they are not > problems on Hardy, then there's hope. > I'm having KDE 4.0 problems on Hardy, but I'm also on an older machine. I figure they have three months to fix things up, so I'll continue to use GNOME and visit KDE 4.0 when I see a big bunch of updates go through. From phredsky at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 04:41:21 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:41:21 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 06:49:46 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until >> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie >> and don't know what to do . >> > > try going to tty2, which is a shell, and see what it looks like. > Hit [ctrl]+[Alt]+[F2] to do that. > > If the login prompt looks Ok its probably just a config issue with xorg.conf > > If you still can't see anything, its probably a driver issue. > > What kind of video card do you run? > > > > Hi Howard It has been one of those days, 1st Kubuntu screen trashed, then my hi speed modem needs to be rebooted 4 times to finally come up, then I wanted to print your instructions and my lazer jet is feeding 3 or 4 sheets at a time. Howard I have a nvidia Ge Force 6100 n Force 405. I did got to terminal and everything looked fine so it must be in my xorg.conf file. I've been a little hesitant about working from a command line, but nothing ventured nothing gained. I can do the change from terminal right? BTW what is the command to quit terminal?? Thanks Fred From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Jan 17 06:45:43 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:45:43 +0100 Subject: problem with adept on kubuntu 7.10 amd64 In-Reply-To: <35d4d09c.372e0580.478e920c.c9d7b@o2.pl> References: <35d4d09c.372e0580.478e920c.c9d7b@o2.pl> Message-ID: <478EF997.6070703@free.fr> probably repos are updating ? try later if you choose kde4 on 64 often packages are broken or not commited yet wdrwc a écrit : > I have just installed kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and I have a problem with adept. > Every time I try to upgrade or install a package I get the message: > > Could not commit changes - Adept Manager > There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. > > but packages get installed. > > Is it a problem with the configuration of my system? > I would appreciate any suggestion. > > jstar > > From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Jan 17 06:49:26 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:49:26 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478EFA76.9080103@free.fr> i don't complain about kde4,sure they is some nuisance but like kde3 gnome apps work fine on kde4 i use pidgin firefox thunderbird both on 32 and 64 thouh 32 updating seams to be more often Howard Coles Jr. a écrit : > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 03:21:31 pm Girard Henri wrote: > >> I used Mandrake and Mandriva for years ... first up to 10 I think :) >> > > >> And hardy with kde4 is really a pleasure... >> I didn't even install kde3 neither qt3 as I start with qt4... >> >> > > So Let me ask ya' > All the things folks are complaining about in KDE 4 in Gutsy, are they > as "non-functional" in Hardy? > a. can't resize Panels (where the Kmenu is if its not called a "panel" any > more). > b. Can't select multiple objects on the desktop without moving the > background. > c. unstable. > d. can't alter widgets (?) from plasma. > e. can't configure Mouse buttons (like for a lefty or just to alter what the > 3rd button does). > f. can't run Pidgin. > > My main concern is running Gnome apps generally, as Pidgin and Gnucash are > quite important around here. > > From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Jan 17 06:57:54 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:57:54 +0100 Subject: kde4 theme ? Message-ID: <478EFC72.9060006@free.fr> does anyone know where they are some kde4 themes ? i think they shouldn't have put back all these horrible themes from kdexx oxygen is not too bad it's the one i prefer, but I like to change sometimes and i don't want to add compiz+fusion as there is a nativ "like" in kde4 ? From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jan 17 12:15:24 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:15:24 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From javedshadab at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 12:23:14 2008 From: javedshadab at gmail.com (javed aslam) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:53:14 +0530 Subject: help with installing and boot related Message-ID: <110e69080801170423l4345aed0kaf81c241b4ae272f@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Could some one send me the detailed solution to my problem. I had a system with vista installed on one of my drives. Now when I tried kubuntu… only that is loaded.. my vista is still loaded on one of the other partitions, all files intact only the boot part does not show it. Please. I read of some "grub" utility but the instructions were not that clear and I am scared of messing it up again. Please provide a sure shot and clearer instruction. I also need help in merging the two file systems.. so that the files in one can be viewed in the other. I read of some software that does that interface. Also the windows utility in my kubuntu that allows the running of some window softwares sya 'Package missing' where can I download that. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 12:28:11 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:28:11 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <478F49DB.9060907@gmail.com> Wulfy wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). > > Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to > Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is > not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... > http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 12:29:00 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:29:00 +0100 Subject: problem with adept on kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and Intel x86. In-Reply-To: <478EF997.6070703@free.fr> References: <35d4d09c.372e0580.478e920c.c9d7b@o2.pl> <478EF997.6070703@free.fr> Message-ID: <478F4A0C.8000102@gmail.com> Hello everybody > I have just installed kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and .... Though I have installed the Kubuntu 7.10 version meant for x86 Intel processor computers, the passage below summarises very well the problems I have too with Adept Manager: > ..I have a problem with adept.Every time I try to upgrade or install a package I get the message: > > Could not commit changes - Adept Manager. There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. > I getexactly the same message whenever I use Adept - not only via the update service, but also via the two other entries to adept: * K-Menu-System - Adept Manager. * K-Menu - Add/ Remove programs > ...but packages get installed.... Packages downloaded via the Adept update manager do get installed in my case too, as far I can verify. But attempts to install extra packages via the two other entries do not have predictable results: sometimes packages do get installed, in other cases not. I have no idea why. So far, two possible causes of the problem have been pointed at: > ...problem with the configuration of my system?... probably repos are updating? ... However, the 'KDE Crash handler' at my machine pointed at a third possible cause: > ADEP CRASH. Signal 6, SIGABRT. > Short description: the application Adept Manager (adept_manager) > crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT). I submitted a bug report with details via this URL: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152628 At the same place, there is a discussion going on exactly this problem. However, so far I did not yet manage to find an approach in it enabling me to solve the problem. Respectfully Yours, Bas. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jan 17 12:46:48 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:46:48 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F49DB.9060907@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> <478F49DB.9060907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478F4E38.1060508@tiscali.co.uk> O. Sinclair wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). >>> >> Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to >> Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is >> not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... >> >> > http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ > > > KDE 4.0 is not KDE4 but only the first (4.0.0 even non-bugfix) release in a years-long KDE 4 series to come. This, as it stands, is a contradiction. If they'd said "KDE 4.0 is not what KDE4 will become", that would be true. But if KDE 4.0 is not KDE4, it can't be the first release of KDE4, it's some other beast... or is my logic flawed in some way? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jan 17 13:29:46 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:29:46 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F49DB.9060907@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> <478F49DB.9060907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478F584A.7060907@swbell.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). >>> >> Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to >> Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is >> not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... >> >> > http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ > > > Now THAT is some real hare splitting. [ As Bugs Bunny would say ] From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jan 17 13:36:17 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:36:17 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F4E38.1060508@tiscali.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> <478F49DB.9060907@gmail.com> <478F4E38.1060508@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <478F59D1.9070007@swbell.net> Wulfy wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Wulfy wrote: >> >> >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). >>>> >>>> >>> Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to >>> Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is >>> not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... >>> >>> >>> >> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-12-30/ >> >> >> >> > KDE 4.0 is not KDE4 but only the first (4.0.0 even non-bugfix) > release in a years-long KDE 4 series to come. > > This, as it stands, is a contradiction. If they'd said "KDE 4.0 is not > what KDE4 will become", that would be true. But if KDE 4.0 is not KDE4, > it can't be the first release of KDE4, it's some other beast... or is > my logic flawed in some way? > > No. Your logic is fine. Stephen Binner should be a politician. He has "double-speak" down to a fine art. From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Thu Jan 17 14:30:11 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:30:11 -0500 Subject: Site Spider Message-ID: Does anyone know of any good HTTP spider/ripper utilities that will preserve file structure and names? thanx! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jan 17 14:42:13 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:42:13 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> On 01/16/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I'm calm, but I am looking for a 'home' distro. For two years, that > was Fedora for me. When things got too unstable for everyday work, I > jumped ship and I've been with Kubuntu for about a year. With all the > MS converts that I do I need a very stable distro, as I'm the only one > providing tech support to people who's first impression of Linux is > whatever I install for them. I don't know what (K)Ubuntu support cycle is for sure but my thinking is that for at least the next six to eight months 7.10 is going to be viable. Probably somewhat longer than that before things start getting to far out of hand. By that time KDE should have most things straightened out and everything should be pretty stable. That should just about get us up to Kubuntu 8.*. Then might be a better time to upgrade. I don't know how many converts you make a month but when I started using Kubuntu it was 7.4 and almost immediately went to 7.10. [ now, OK I admit that's not really such a big jump maybe ] and it was no HUGE deal, and I'm just an average home user. I made the switch and kept on truckin'. I'm sure anyone should be able to go through an upgrade without major trauma. After all the upgrade/update cycle is way shorter than that OTHER OS so you better get used to them. Call it a "learning experience". From stdin at stdin.me.uk Thu Jan 17 14:43:43 2008 From: stdin at stdin.me.uk (Terence Simpson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:43:43 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> Wulfy wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). >> > > Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to > Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is > not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... > > Basically "KDE4" is the names given to the whole series starting with 4.0.0, in the same way the "KDE 3.5.8" isn't "KDE3", but it is a part of the "KDE3" series. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jan 17 15:24:54 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:24:54 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161450.28961.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478E755B.80600@free.fr> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <478F46DC.3020301@tiscali.co.uk> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> Message-ID: <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> Terence Simpson wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >>> (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). >>> >>> >> Several times I've heard this now so I have a question (not just to >> Dotan, who is only quoting what the KDE Developers said). If KDE 4.0 is >> not KDE4, what is it? It's not KDE3... >> >> >> > Basically "KDE4" is the names given to the whole series starting with > 4.0.0, in the same way the "KDE 3.5.8" isn't "KDE3", but it is a part of > the "KDE3" series. > > > By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies it's not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... [0] syn·ec·do·che –noun Rhetoric. a figure of speech in which a part is used for the whole or the whole for a part -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From paul at lemmons.name Thu Jan 17 16:14:20 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:14:20 -0700 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478F7EDC.5040007@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Site Spider From: Ant Cunningham To: kubuntu-users Date: 01/17/2008 07:30 AM > Does anyone know of any good HTTP spider/ripper utilities that will preserve > file structure and names? > > thanx! > > > wget -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Thu Jan 17 16:24:02 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:24:02 -0500 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <478F7EDC.5040007@lemmons.name> Message-ID: On 1/17/08 11:14 AM, "Paul Lemmons" wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Site Spider > From: Ant Cunningham > To: kubuntu-users > Date: 01/17/2008 07:30 AM > >> Does anyone know of any good HTTP spider/ripper utilities that will preserve >> file structure and names? >> >> thanx! >> >> >> > > wget granted I havent read the man page for all the options but I assumed wget worked similar to curl in that you had to supply each url. I don't know the url of every page and I don't feel like writing a spider myself - that's why I asked. will wget spider through the site for me and grab everything - or better yet, everything I don't exclude with some option? From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Thu Jan 17 16:48:58 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:48:58 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu merchandise Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603BF4AFA@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> I am wondering if anyone knows of any official Kubuntu branded paraphernalia that would advertise Kubuntu. Ubuntu has a shop (https://shop.canonical.com ) - I would like to get some of this stuff, but would prefer Kubuntu related stuff... Any suggestions or pointers? Thanks, Tim ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at lemmons.name Thu Jan 17 16:56:41 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:41 -0700 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478F88C9.5030401@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:Site Spider From: Ant Cunningham To: kubuntu-users Date: 01/17/2008 09:24 AM > On 1/17/08 11:14 AM, "Paul Lemmons" wrote: > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Site Spider >> From: Ant Cunningham >> To: kubuntu-users >> Date: 01/17/2008 07:30 AM >> >> >>> Does anyone know of any good HTTP spider/ripper utilities that will preserve >>> file structure and names? >>> >>> thanx! >>> >>> >>> >>> >> wget >> > > granted I havent read the man page for all the options but I assumed wget > worked similar to curl in that you had to supply each url. I don't know the > url of every page and I don't feel like writing a spider myself - that's why > I asked. > > will wget spider through the site for me and grab everything - or better > yet, everything I don't exclude with some option? > > > > wget -rc http://www.your-site.com -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From paul at lemmons.name Thu Jan 17 17:00:49 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:00:49 -0700 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478F89C1.4080800@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:Site Spider From: Ant Cunningham To: kubuntu-users Date: 01/17/2008 09:24 AM > On 1/17/08 11:14 AM, "Paul Lemmons" wrote: > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Site Spider >> From: Ant Cunningham >> To: kubuntu-users >> Date: 01/17/2008 07:30 AM >> >> >>> Does anyone know of any good HTTP spider/ripper utilities that will preserve >>> file structure and names? >>> >>> thanx! >>> >>> >>> >>> >> wget >> > > granted I havent read the man page for all the options but I assumed wget > worked similar to curl in that you had to supply each url. I don't know the > url of every page and I don't feel like writing a spider myself - that's why > I asked. > > will wget spider through the site for me and grab everything - or better > yet, everything I don't exclude with some option? > > > > Ooops... missed the "exclude" requirement... wget -rc -X/not/this/dir,/and/not/this/one http://www.your-site.com -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 17 16:57:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:57:50 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <200801161533.45970.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <2085689.bGzIllF6Br@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 11:25:36 am Billie Walsh wrote: >> IMHO, everyone should just calm down. Let things get sorted. > here here! Please! It's "hear"... (and I'm sorry that you had to be the one I finally broke down and said this to...) -- derek From spwhite at freesurf.ch Thu Jan 17 17:12:53 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:12:53 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: > By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies it's > not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, doesn't it? The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its parts. Perry -- BOFH excuse #391: We already sent around a notice about that From nixternal at kubuntu.org Thu Jan 17 17:22:59 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:22:59 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu merchandise In-Reply-To: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603BF4AFA@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> References: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603BF4AFA@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> Message-ID: <200801171123.02534.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Thursday 17 January 2008, Tipton, Timothy wrote: | I am wondering if anyone knows of any official Kubuntu branded | paraphernalia that would advertise Kubuntu. The only place I have seen with Kubuntu merchandise is Cafepress, and it isn't "official." I am with you in this boat and wish there were some good Kubuntu merchandise. I will bring this up in our next developer meeting and see if we can get something done with a group like the Spread Shirt people. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Thu Jan 17 17:28:56 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:28:56 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu merchandise In-Reply-To: <200801171123.02534.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603BF4B9E@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> I am with you in this boat and wish there were some good > Kubuntu merchandise. I will bring this up in our next developer meeting > and see > if we can get something done with a group like the Spread Shirt people. > It would be most appreciated! Please let us know what comes of this. Tim ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jan 17 18:08:53 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:08:53 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: > >> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies it's >> not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... >> > > Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, doesn't it? > The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its parts. > > Perry > > However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 18:29:41 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:29:41 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801171029j99e36eej7d7f692c293bf0ec@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 17, 2008 1:08 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: > > > >> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies it's > >> not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... > >> > > > > Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, doesn't it? > > The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its parts. > > > > Perry > > > > > However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the > "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . Wow guys. Let's not get too philosophical with this. The guy is just saying that KDE 4.0.0 has some flaws, but it is only a first release and all of KDE 4 will not be this flawed. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 17 18:16:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:16:53 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <885748.42721.qm@web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4788FB61.6010405@stdin.me.uk> <200801131443.31981.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <880dece00801130649r38f7b485y8bcb68fea7ea1828@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0801130819u6a99a061rce7fc88cadd90723@mail.gmail.com> <4431570.BdV2eR9Ope@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801141753g66b4345bhccde595781feb241@mail.gmail.com> <2387321.rJKkOASm9k@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0801151821j3e208cb5i1d1b08b2e679efc4@mail.gmail.com> <2663915.lRbMzS8Kp7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2472366.AtpqF80z7E@cedar.serverforest.com> Chris Miller wrote: > On Jan 16, 2008 9:59 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> John DeCarlo wrote: >> >> > On Jan 15, 2008 4:21 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> No. Just plain no. I always use IE on Windows for all my file >> >> browsing. >> > >> > Believe what you want, then. >> >> Believe? You are the one who is acting on faith. I use IE as a file >> manager - it has all the things you claim don't exist. > > Technically you use Explorer. **Internet** Explorer is something > totally different. Technically, I click on the Internet Explorer icon. > > You can use IE as a file manager, but it usually just opens Explorer > in a new window, or at least that's what it's doing now on the public > terminal I'm using at the moment. No, it doesn't. First, I hate having browsers open new windows, so I set the folder options to always open new folders in the same window. So then, when I enter a C:\... address in the IE address box, it opens the folder complete with all file management options. I expect it's completely true that it actually uses Explorer to do this, but my point through the whole thread is that they are so closely integrated it's impossible from a user viewpoint to see the difference. Attached is a screenshot (at least if attachments get through gmane) - note that it's clearly a file manager, but the Title says "Internet Explorer" -- derek -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iefiles.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14067 bytes Desc: not available URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 17 18:21:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:21:30 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >> On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: >> >>> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies it's >>> not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... >>> >> >> Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, doesn't >> it? The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its parts. Er, no. You are not _all_ mankind, yet it's perfectly acceptable to say that you _are_ mankind (odd, yes; archaic, certainly; but still correct). > However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the > "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . Impeccable logic :-) -- derek From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Jan 17 18:43:53 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:43:53 +0200 Subject: kdm error Message-ID: <478FA1E9.2040809@rmk.co.il> Feisty: I just did an sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Everything installed OK but then there were lots of Khandler(?) crashes - I just clicked thru them (closed them) and logged out (to restart KDE after all the new KDE stuff got updated). I never got the login screen back. After trying several things, including booting into rescue mode (startx works in the root account) I rebooted and was dropped to tty1. I switched to tty7 and was presented with the following: Starting K Display Manager: kdm/usr/bin/kdm: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2: ELF file version does not match current one already running. *Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) [OK] I was then left with a blinking '-' Back on tty1 I logged in and tried 'startx' - I got a [brief] splash screen, then a gray screen with a small x (like the mouse cursor one) for a moment, then got dropped to back to tty1. Any ideas on a fix? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Jan 17 18:55:33 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:55:33 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> Derek Broughton wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >>> On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: >>> >>>> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies it's >>>> not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... >>>> >>> Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, doesn't >>> it? The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its parts. > > Er, no. You are not _all_ mankind, yet it's perfectly acceptable to say > that you _are_ mankind (odd, yes; archaic, certainly; but still correct). > >> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . > > Impeccable logic :-) Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a container which contains itself. My 2c: it just means: this is the first version we churn out, following the usual naming conventions this would have been version 0.1 since it's still unstable and incomplete but we already had too many previous versions to restart the counter, and in the end what's all the fuss about? Most of the code is brand new, therefore it has bugs (sad but true when talking about software, it's called bleeding edge for a reason). Hopefully it will improve, in the meantime leave the marketing do the chatter (none will be able to stop that anyway :) ) I. -- Ignazio Palmisano From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 19:45:31 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:45:31 -0500 Subject: State of Konqueror ? Message-ID: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> Well, after reviewing Dolphin the new file manager for KDE 4, and Firefox 3 Beta3. I could not help but think?, there must something serious wrong with Konqueror... Well, I don't understand why the KDE group would need dolphin? there is Krusader!, if one is needed more. I think IMHO there must be a serious issue with Konqueror, and that is why they have not chosen to FIX Konqueror... maybe it would take to much time to fix Konqueror... and its easier to come out with with newer product ? as a file manager, its great!!, sure they could add more options, meta-data mouse overs...etc and its very mature, piece of software, compare to Dolphin. as a Web Browsers, as of late... it dieing a slow death... first Adobe Newest Flash plug-in FAILS to work with Konqueror, there are numerous reports, on launchpad about this. second, Firefox has more customization via plug-in extensions to really kick it to the next level. (hmmm, it would be nice) it Konqueror could do that, then we would truly have it all... just a note firefox 3 browser is way faster than firefox 2.x.11 way faster.. and less memory. last, the Only browser, that score over 60 in the acid3 test, was firefox 3 beta 3, Konqueror version 3.5.8 [crash and burn.] I'm just pointing out, some issue with Konqueror, would hate to see, a great application, get thrown by the wayside... as it appears to be happening... according to all the hype about kde 4 and its eyecandy. Cheer's Richard From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 20:17:25 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:17:25 -0500 Subject: State of Konqueror ? In-Reply-To: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860801171217q26da6289p96fdd5ad2b539978@mail.gmail.com> > second, Firefox has more customization via plug-in extensions to really kick > it to the next level. (hmmm, it would be nice) it Konqueror could do that, > then we would truly have it all... just a note firefox 3 browser is way faster > than firefox 2.x.11 way faster.. and less memory. Not that I'm defending Konqeror at all (I'm a Firefox user), but there is an extensions framework for Konqueror, but I just think that hardly anyone has written any plugins for it. (Check under "Settings" -> "Configure Extensions") I think the only one at the moment is a text-to-speech accessibility extension that is installed by default. I wouldn't even know where to look for new extensions, but the framework is there to support them. -Jared From paulatgm at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 20:22:27 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:22:27 -0500 Subject: State of Konqueror ? In-Reply-To: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> Richard said the following on 01/17/2008 02:45 PM: > last, the Only browser, that score over 60 in the acid3 test, was firefox 3 > beta 3, Konqueror version 3.5.8 [crash and burn.] The truth is that all gecko based browsers freeze on certain javascript web pages I view. Talk about wasting time killing and restarting and reloading. It's a daily problem here. The only way I can get it to work is to use konqueror to identify the url of the script, then cut and paste it into firefox's adblock filter. Then I can get firefox to work, but it's very time consuming and annoying. > I'm just pointing out, some issue with Konqueror, would hate to see, > a great application, get thrown by the wayside... as it appears to be > happening... according to all the hype about kde 4 and its eyecandy. Konqueror is worse in it's present state, but my hope is that webkit can be successfully used to make it better than firefox on all web pages, then I'll make the switch. If it weren't for the flash plugin problem, I'd be testing it out now with webkitkde as the driver. What happened to opera .. I just tried it on a web page that konqueror couldn't work because of the flash problem, and even opera didn't work with the latest flash .. is it broken too? regards, From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 20:24:14 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:24:14 -0500 Subject: State of Konqueror ? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860801171217q26da6289p96fdd5ad2b539978@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> <2759cf860801171217q26da6289p96fdd5ad2b539978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801171524.14042.cms0009@gmail.com> On Thursday 17 January 2008 3:17:25 pm Jared Greenwald wrote: > > second, Firefox has more customization via plug-in extensions to really > > kick it to the next level. (hmmm, it would be nice) it Konqueror could do > > that, then we would truly have it all... just a note firefox 3 browser is > > way faster than firefox 2.x.11 way faster.. and less memory. > > Not that I'm defending Konqeror at all (I'm a Firefox user), but there > is an extensions framework for Konqueror, but I just think that hardly > anyone has written any plugins for it. (Check under "Settings" -> > "Configure Extensions") I think the only one at the moment is a > text-to-speech accessibility extension that is installed by default. > I wouldn't even know where to look for new extensions, but the > framework is there to support them. > > -Jared Hey Jared, well , as of late, I'm using firefox, but I do miss using konqueror for all, it just work as I have stated, in my previous email to the group, if Konqueror had the option as of firefox would you use firefox ? probably not. Rich From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jan 17 20:34:41 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:34:41 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <478FBBE1.1010202@tiscali.co.uk> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> >>> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >>> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . >>> >> Impeccable logic :-) >> > > Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it > contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a > container which contains itself. However, there is nothing outside of KDE4.0 that is KDE4, therefore KDE 4.0 contains KDE4 as much as KDE4 contains KDE 4.0 (at the moment). Therefore the container contains the container (both ways!) so they are equal! :@þ [I think ;@D ] /me wanders off muttering about convoluted logic....... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 20:39:34 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:39:34 -0500 Subject: State of Konqueror ? In-Reply-To: <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801171539.34786.cms0009@gmail.com> On Thursday 17 January 2008 3:22:27 pm Paul S wrote: > Richard said the following on 01/17/2008 02:45 PM: > > last, the Only browser, that score over 60 in the acid3 test, was > > firefox 3 beta 3, Konqueror version 3.5.8 [crash and burn.] > > The truth is that all gecko based browsers freeze on certain javascript > web pages I view. Talk about wasting time killing and restarting and > reloading. It's a daily problem here. The only way I can get it to > work is to use konqueror to identify the url of the script, then cut and > paste it into firefox's adblock filter. Then I can get firefox to work, > but it's very time consuming and annoying. try Firefox 3 beta 3 its allot better than 2.x.11 (MUCH) > > > I'm just pointing out, some issue with Konqueror, would hate to see, > > a great application, get thrown by the wayside... as it appears to be > > happening... according to all the hype about kde 4 and its eyecandy. > > Konqueror is worse in it's present state, but my hope is that webkit can > be successfully used to make it better than firefox on all web pages, > then I'll make the switch. If it weren't for the flash plugin problem, > I'd be testing it out now with webkitkde as the driver. How True, webkit?, hmm, anything than letting it die a slow death, and yes, for Flash you are stuck with 9.x.48 of flash, and which veoh.com will not work, with the older version of flash. > > What happened to opera .. I just tried it on a web page that konqueror > couldn't work because of the flash problem, and even opera didn't work > with the latest flash .. is it broken too? Yes, Opera, has some issue with flash, there something new in flash 9.x.115 that requires some other pieces of software, Opera is stuck at 9.x48 of flash plug-in as well. Richard From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 17 21:33:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:33:57 -0400 Subject: State of Konqueror ? References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2256254.hBCVdZjaKG@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard wrote: > I think IMHO there must be a serious issue with Konqueror, and that is why > they have not chosen to FIX Konqueror... maybe it would take to much time > to fix Konqueror... and its easier to come out with with newer product ? I believe the point was that the problem with konqueror _is_ the file browser - that it's not being maintained, and so the best fix is to use the most actively developed file manager as a kpart. Not a bad idea, I just don't think Dolphin is actually ready for that yet (or at least the Dolphin kpart isn't). > as a file manager, its great!!, sure they could add more options, > meta-data mouse overs...etc and its very mature, piece of software, > compare to Dolphin. > > as a Web Browsers, as of late... it dieing a slow death... And by leaving the file management to somebody else they have more time to devote to the web browser. > first Adobe Newest Flash plug-in FAILS to work with Konqueror, there are > numerous reports, on launchpad about this. I just don't see how this is konqueror's fault. > > second, Firefox has more customization via plug-in extensions to really > kick it to the next level. (hmmm, it would be nice) it Konqueror could do > that, It can - and I'd point out that its kparts cover a lot of ground that Firefox plugins _don't_. Perhaps what it needs is a way to make it easier to turn other apps into kparts - which could benefit _all_ of KDE. I don't know if that's feasible, though. > last, the Only browser, that score over 60 in the acid3 test, was firefox > 3 beta 3, Konqueror version 3.5.8 [crash and burn.] Ho hum. Yet another benchmark. Benchmarks are just another example of "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics". -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 17 21:38:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:38:18 -0400 Subject: kdm error References: <478FA1E9.2040809@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <2432709.QTl9J8NnML@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Starting K Display Manager: kdm/usr/bin/kdm: error while loading shared > libraries: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2: ELF file version does not > match current one ... > Any ideas on a fix? Remove libc6-i686 and try again. If that works, then try reinstalling libc6-i686. This was a _common_ problem in feisty pre-release, but I've never seen it in stable versions. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 17 21:39:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:39:52 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1212738.iUVFj51Jyf@cedar.serverforest.com> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >>> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >>>> On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: >>>> >>>>> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies >>>>> it's not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... >>>>> >>>> Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, >>>> doesn't it? The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its >>>> parts. >> >> Er, no. You are not _all_ mankind, yet it's perfectly acceptable to say >> that you _are_ mankind (odd, yes; archaic, certainly; but still correct). >> >>> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >>> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . >> >> Impeccable logic :-) > > Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it > contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a > container which contains itself. > Not buying it. KDE 4 isn't a container. At this time, it _is_ KDE 4.0.0. -- derek From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 17 22:02:37 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:02:37 +1100 Subject: ISP Access Slow Message-ID: <478FD07D.4050505@optusnet.com.au> Hi I did an update (auto) last night, first for a week, it took over an hour. Today when I tried to connect to my ISP webmail it took over two minutes to connect and half way through I was disconnected - time out. ISP help assures me there are no other complaints in this regard. Firefox is running like a dog on Wikipedia too. Anyone any Ideas. Clark From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 17 22:14:46 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:14:46 +1100 Subject: [Fwd: ISP Access Slow]2 Message-ID: <478FD356.703@optusnet.com.au> After reading of problems with Konqueror I tried using K to co connect to the ISP / same problem very slow. Is there something in the last update that is interferring with Konqueror and Firefox ?? Over to those who know. Clark. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Clark Subject: ISP Access Slow Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:02:37 +1100 Size: 790 URL: From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Thu Jan 17 23:57:40 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:57:40 +0000 Subject: Internet TV in the UK Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but could somebody refer me to a resource (site, blog, etc) that details Internet TV that I might pick up here in the UK. And secondly, what software do list members recommend for viewing it? - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFHj+uIthMHx1h/UZYRAo1WAJ9o8wvrPW7mLMpKKl5suySfahF0lACdGBKh zyiVYGkMy0/m/O9CvBS8ztY= =IZSG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 18 00:21:38 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:21:38 +0000 Subject: Firefox 3 Message-ID: <478FF112.4010104@tiscali.co.uk> In a recent thread it was mentioned that Firefox 3 was much faster and smaller than FF 2.0.0.11, so I thought I'd give it a try. Can some *please* tell me why I need to install GNOME to run it? Xulrunner drags it in... Does the Mozilla Foundation have a problem with KDE? Looks like when FF3 becomes the standard FF, I won't be running it... I don't want all that GNOME stuff on my computer. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From plasticman3327 at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 01:01:33 2008 From: plasticman3327 at gmail.com (Martin Walshe) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:01:33 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: ISP Access Slow]2 In-Reply-To: <478FD356.703@optusnet.com.au> References: <478FD356.703@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2008 10:14 PM, Clark wrote: > After reading of problems with Konqueror I tried using K to co connect > to the ISP / same problem very slow. Is there something in the last > update that is interferring with Konqueror and Firefox ?? > Over to those who know. > > Clark. > > > Hi I did an update (auto) last night, first for a week, it took over an > hour. Today when I tried to connect to my ISP webmail it took over two > minutes to connect and half way through I was disconnected - time out. > ISP help assures me there are no other complaints in this regard. > Firefox is running like a dog on Wikipedia too. > Anyone any Ideas. > > Clark > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Hi, Can you try to visit http://66.230.200.100/ and see if its any better. Its just the ip for wikipedia.com nslookup wikipedia.com Non-authoritative answer: Name: wikipedia.com Address: 66.230.200.100 Marty. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 18 05:58:04 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:58:04 +1100 Subject: Printer Problem Message-ID: <47903FEC.6090205@optusnet.com.au> Hi I have set up my printer in Kubuntu 7.10 (Cannon i550) as Cannon 7100 foomatic is the only one on the printer list but it works perfectly well in the test page. However, will not print a thing from OOo Write. The Print Systems setting just shows the job in the job list as Error. Any suggestions?? Clark. Attribute Values job-more-info ipp://localhost:631/jobs/7 job-preserved True job-printer-up-time Fri Jan 18 16:54:24 2008 job-state-reasons job-stopped job-uri ipp://localhost:631/jobs/7 printer-uri ipp://localhost/printers/Canoni550 job-originating-user-name cpm job-name Statement 2 document-format application/postscript ProcessColorModel Greyscale PrintColors K PageSize A4 job-priority 50 job-uuid urn:uuid:e41d5755-0caf-32bc-4a88-516bdedb5188 job-originating-host-name localhost time-at-creation Fri Jan 18 16:26:17 2008 time-at-processing Fri Jan 18 16:26:17 2008 time-at-completed job-id 7 job-state 0x6 job-media-sheets-completed 0 job-printer-uri ipp://cpm-desktop:631/printers/Canoni550 job-name Statement 2 job-k-octets 489 job-hold-until no-hold job-sheets none none job-printer-state-message /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed job-printer-state-reasons none From dgvirtual at akl.lt Fri Jan 18 09:38:04 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:38:04 +0200 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? Message-ID: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Hi when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) window: http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this warning message popping up: The file http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. All I intend is to get the file to download... Could somebody explain, what is wrong with my settings? I use kubuntu 7.10 with kde 3.5.8. -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Fri Jan 18 09:44:59 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:44:59 +0000 Subject: Printer Problem In-Reply-To: <47903FEC.6090205@optusnet.com.au> References: <47903FEC.6090205@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20080118094507.325881287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 05:58 18/01/2008, you wrote: >Hi I have set up my printer in Kubuntu 7.10 (Cannon i550) as Cannon 7100 >foomatic is the only one on the printer list but it works perfectly well >in the test page. However, will not print a thing from OOo Write. The >Print Systems setting just shows the job in the job list as Error. > >Any suggestions?? > >Clark. You may very well find that the consensus around here is that you should go buy an Epson or HP. My old Stylus Photo 950 works very nicely indeed. With an Epson you should be able to also use the escputil package to do ink level checks, nozzle checks, head cleaning etc. My personal experience of Canon printers would suggest that the best thing to do with one is to place it between the surfaces of a hydraulic press and push the red button (demonstrated at the end of Terminator) so that it occupies less space in the landfill. Dave From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Fri Jan 18 10:24:10 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:24:10 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1212738.iUVFj51Jyf@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> <1212738.iUVFj51Jyf@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47907E4A.9090309@yahoo.it> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>>> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >>>>> On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies >>>>>> it's not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... >>>>>> >>>>> Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, >>>>> doesn't it? The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its >>>>> parts. >>> Er, no. You are not _all_ mankind, yet it's perfectly acceptable to say >>> that you _are_ mankind (odd, yes; archaic, certainly; but still correct). >>> >>>> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >>>> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . >>> Impeccable logic :-) >> Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it >> contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a >> container which contains itself. >> > Not buying it. KDE 4 isn't a container. At this time, it _is_ KDE 4.0.0. :) from what I've read that's what the developers mean when they refer to KDE4, a series of software products (container, class, series, category... change logic name change the name of the thing, but it's always the same and it's a set). On the other hand, I think for many out here KDE4 refers to the most recent version of KDE (so that we will call KDE4 KDE 4.4.4, when it will be around), in which case KDE4 is KDE 4.0.0 :) no one is wrong or right in this case, the trouble is using the same name meaning different things. I. -- Ignazio Palmisano Ph.D. - ignazio dot palmisano at gmail dot com From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Fri Jan 18 10:40:33 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:40:33 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478FBBE1.1010202@tiscali.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> <478FBBE1.1010202@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> Wulfy wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>> >>>> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >>>> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . >>>> >>> Impeccable logic :-) >>> >> Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it >> contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a >> container which contains itself. > > However, there is nothing outside of KDE4.0 that is KDE4, therefore KDE > 4.0 contains KDE4 as much as KDE4 contains KDE 4.0 (at the moment). > Therefore the container contains the container (both ways!) so they are > equal! :@þ > > [I think ;@D ] > > /me wanders off muttering about convoluted logic....... > /me been wandering around something similar long time ago... KDE 4.0.0 is a piece of software and it is a container of pieces of software, which is the same kind of KDE4... but then the set of all possible sets is contained in itself? :) Can't remember which famous mathematician had a hard time defining this problem, I think it was about first and second order logic, and in the end if you can put a container in itself then the logical results take a while to be computed... like forever :) /me feels off topic and in need of a coffee, got a headache because of these containers... I. -- Ignazio Palmisano From daniel at rimspace.net Fri Jan 18 11:16:06 2008 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:16:06 +1100 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? References: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <874pdbcrk9.fsf@rimspace.net> "Donatas G." writes: > when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) window: > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb > > I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this warning message > popping up: > > The file http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb is a > binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. > > All I intend is to get the file to download... > > Could somebody explain, what is wrong with my settings? Nothing; the server is wrong: it tells the web browser that file contains plain text, not binary data. As a result Konqueror does the right thing and displays it -- but warns you about the problem. Either use wget on the command link to download it, or right-click on the URL and save the target of the link to disk directly. That should resolve your issue. (Complain to the maintainer of the website in question if you want this actually fixed, since it is their bug.) Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Pittman Phone: 03 9428 6922 1/130-132 Stawell St, Richmond Web: http://www.cyber.com.au Cybersource: Australia's Leading Linux and Open Source Solutions Company From dgvirtual at akl.lt Fri Jan 18 12:28:03 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:28:03 +0200 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? In-Reply-To: <874pdbcrk9.fsf@rimspace.net> References: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <874pdbcrk9.fsf@rimspace.net> Message-ID: <200801181428.03919.dgvirtual@akl.lt> On Friday 18 January 2008 13:16:06 Daniel Pittman rašė: > "Donatas G." writes: > > when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) window: > > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb > > > > I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this warning > > message popping up: > > > > The file http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb > > is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. > > > > All I intend is to get the file to download... > > > > Could somebody explain, what is wrong with my settings? > > Nothing; the server is wrong: it tells the web browser that file > contains plain text, not binary data. As a result Konqueror does the > right thing and displays it -- but warns you about the problem. hey thanks for explanation; this problem is pretty common. often happens on kde-apps.org, and only with Konqueror... -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Fri Jan 18 13:22:35 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:22:35 +0000 Subject: Internet TV in the UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801181322.35427.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Thursday 17 January 2008 23:57:40 Graham wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but could somebody refer me to > a resource (site, blog, etc) that details Internet TV that I might pick > up here in the UK. > > And secondly, what software do list members recommend for viewing it? You could try using the Zattoo Player - zattoo.com - and there's a .deb package that runs fine within Kubuntu 7.10. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 18 13:40:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:40:23 -0400 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? References: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <874pdbcrk9.fsf@rimspace.net> <200801181428.03919.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <1318698.0TmLEmK9V0@cedar.serverforest.com> Donatas G. wrote: > On Friday 18 January 2008 13:16:06 Daniel Pittman rašė: >> "Donatas G." writes: >> > when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) >> > window: >> > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb >> > >> > I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this warning >> > message popping up: >> > >> > The file >> > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb is a >> > binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. >> > >> > All I intend is to get the file to download... >> > >> > Could somebody explain, what is wrong with my settings? >> >> Nothing; the server is wrong: Yes (maybe) and no. >> it tells the web browser that file >> contains plain text, not binary data. As a result Konqueror does the >> right thing and displays it -- but warns you about the problem. Yes, the server should report it as application/x-deb mimetype, but konqueror is quite capable of handling files without proper mimetypes based on file suffix. I'm not sure this wasn't reported properly - my network's too slow to want to check; what I can see is that my own mirror has no definition for application/x-deb, but konqueror still treats them a such. Unfortunately, Kubuntu doesn't automatically come with a way to handle packages from the web but you can always install gdebi-kde to fix it. -- derek From nigel at rmk.co.il Fri Jan 18 14:19:44 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:19:44 +0200 Subject: kdm error In-Reply-To: <2432709.QTl9J8NnML@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <478FA1E9.2040809@rmk.co.il> <2432709.QTl9J8NnML@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4790B580.5090307@rmk.co.il> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> Starting K Display Manager: kdm/usr/bin/kdm: error while loading shared >> libraries: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2: ELF file version does not >> match current one > ... >> Any ideas on a fix? > > Remove libc6-i686 and try again. If that works, then try reinstalling > libc6-i686. > > This was a _common_ problem in feisty pre-release, but I've never seen it in > stable versions. Thanks that did it - I think. My daughter had already successfully started the computer and was using it when I came home from work! Anyway I did as you suggested and now it starts OK. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Fri Jan 18 14:31:59 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:31:59 +0200 Subject: dpkg error Message-ID: <4790B85F.8020804@rmk.co.il> I just installed a package on my daughter's Feisty box and whilst doing so, apt gave a message about unneeded packages which I could remove with 'apt-get autoremove'. The list included a bunch of games and linux headers. I took note of the games (so as to install them again - I wasn't sure if there were newer new-named packages or not) and didn't worry about the linux headers package as I have an older kernel installed - so I did as suggested. Everything was going OK until apt got to the linux headers and complained about not being able to remove a makefile inside the /nfsd dir - permission denied. I tried again after booting into the older kernel - no joy! I tried as root from the older kernel rescue mode - apt complained that it couldn't execute dpkg! I tried rebooting into the normal older kernel and now am stuck with: Could not exec dpkg! E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) Any ideas? I can't install or remove anything at the moment. I am thinking of doing a fresh install of Gutsy for her..... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Jan 18 14:57:05 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:57:05 -0800 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801180657.05676.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Thursday 17 January 2008 06:42:13 am Billie Walsh wrote: > On 01/16/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I'm calm, but I am looking for a 'home' distro. For two years, that > > was Fedora for me. When things got too unstable for everyday work, I > > jumped ship and I've been with Kubuntu for about a year. With all the > > MS converts that I do I need a very stable distro, as I'm the only one > > providing tech support to people who's first impression of Linux is > > whatever I install for them. > > I don't know what (K)Ubuntu support cycle is for sure but my thinking is > that for at least the next six to eight months 7.10 is going to be > viable. Probably somewhat longer than that before things start getting > to far out of hand. By that time KDE should have most things > straightened out and everything should be pretty stable. That should > just about get us up to Kubuntu 8.*. Then might be a better time to > upgrade. > > I don't know how many converts you make a month but when I started using > Kubuntu it was 7.4 and almost immediately went to 7.10. [ now, OK I > admit that's not really such a big jump maybe ] and it was no HUGE deal, > and I'm just an average home user. I made the switch and kept on > truckin'. I'm sure anyone should be able to go through an upgrade > without major trauma. After all the upgrade/update cycle is way shorter > than that OTHER OS so you better get used to them. Call it a "learning > experience". Why not make 7.10 the LTS for Kubuntu and let it run as LTS until Ubuntu 8.04 LTS expires? Or, have the Kubuntu/Ubuntu LTS windows staggered. Seems to me that Canonical has unnecessarily locked themselves in on which versions should be termed LTS.... If 8.04 is the wrong time for Kubuntu due to the flux state of KDE, then go back a version or two. Larry From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 15:17:15 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:17:15 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> On 17/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 01/16/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I'm calm, but I am looking for a 'home' distro. For two years, that > > was Fedora for me. When things got too unstable for everyday work, I > > jumped ship and I've been with Kubuntu for about a year. With all the > > MS converts that I do I need a very stable distro, as I'm the only one > > providing tech support to people who's first impression of Linux is > > whatever I install for them. > > I don't know what (K)Ubuntu support cycle is for sure but my thinking is > that for at least the next six to eight months 7.10 is going to be > viable. Don't guess, go look at the Kubuntu website. > Probably somewhat longer than that before things start getting > to far out of hand. By that time KDE should have most things > straightened out and everything should be pretty stable. That should > just about get us up to Kubuntu 8.*. Then might be a better time to upgrade. I'm not upgrading. I'm installing on other people's systems. > I don't know how many converts you make a month but when I started using > Kubuntu it was 7.4 and almost immediately went to 7.10. I started on Breezy Badger, switched from Fedora Core 3. > [ now, OK I > admit that's not really such a big jump maybe ] and it was no HUGE deal, > and I'm just an average home user. I made the switch and kept on > truckin'. I'm sure anyone should be able to go through an upgrade > without major trauma. Not people who have never installed an OS. And I don't want to make tens of visits all over the place to start upgrading people's computers every six months. > After all the upgrade/update cycle is way shorter > than that OTHER OS so you better get used to them. Call it a "learning > experience". Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 18 15:28:05 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:28:05 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47907E4A.9090309@yahoo.it> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> <1212738.iUVFj51Jyf@cedar.serverforest.com> <47907E4A.9090309@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <4790C585.5050802@swbell.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>>> Billie Walsh wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:24, Wulfy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> By synecdoche[0], KDE 4.0 *is* KDE4... to say it's not KDE4 implies >>>>>>> it's not even *part* of KDE4, which is patently false... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Well... I'm not mankind and that implies I'm not even part of it, >>>>>> doesn't it? The OP just meant you can't juge a set from one of its >>>>>> parts. >>>>>> >>>> Er, no. You are not _all_ mankind, yet it's perfectly acceptable to say >>>> that you _are_ mankind (odd, yes; archaic, certainly; but still correct). >>>> >>>> >>>>> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >>>>> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . >>>>> >>>> Impeccable logic :-) >>>> >>> Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it >>> contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a >>> container which contains itself. >>> >>> >> Not buying it. KDE 4 isn't a container. At this time, it _is_ KDE 4.0.0. >> > > > :) from what I've read that's what the developers mean when they refer > to KDE4, a series of software products (container, class, series, > category... change logic name change the name of the thing, but it's > always the same and it's a set). On the other hand, I think for many out > here KDE4 refers to the most recent version of KDE (so that we will call > KDE4 KDE 4.4.4, when it will be around), in which case KDE4 is KDE 4.0.0 > :) no one is wrong or right in this case, the trouble is using the same > name meaning different things. > > I. > > > Isn't language, and playing with words, fun. :D From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Fri Jan 18 15:34:14 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:34:14 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> > Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your > extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and > get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. Hello Pot, meet Kettle. ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 18 16:07:20 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:07:20 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F699F.3020304@stdin.me.uk> <478F7346.4000706@tiscali.co.uk> <200801171812.53338.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <478F99B5.9020404@swbell.net> <2645014.DoATgyhMbv@cedar.serverforest.com> <478FA4A5.7010701@yahoo.it> <478FBBE1.1010202@tiscali.co.uk> <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <4790CEB8.6080008@swbell.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > >> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Billie Walsh wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> However, as there are no other parts at this time, KDE 4.0.0 would the >>>>> "whole" of KDE4. Therefore KDE 4.0.0 = KDE4 and KDE4 = KDE 4.0.0 . >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Impeccable logic :-) >>>> >>>> >>> Unfortunately it is wrong :) a container is not equal to the things it >>> contains, even if it only contains one; the only exception being a >>> container which contains itself. >>> >> However, there is nothing outside of KDE4.0 that is KDE4, therefore KDE >> 4.0 contains KDE4 as much as KDE4 contains KDE 4.0 (at the moment). >> Therefore the container contains the container (both ways!) so they are >> equal! :@þ >> >> [I think ;@D ] >> >> /me wanders off muttering about convoluted logic....... >> >> > > /me been wandering around something similar long time ago... > > KDE 4.0.0 is a piece of software and it is a container of pieces of > software, which is the same kind of KDE4... but then the set of all > possible sets is contained in itself? :) Can't remember which famous > mathematician had a hard time defining this problem, I think it was > about first and second order logic, and in the end if you can put a > container in itself then the logical results take a while to be > computed... like forever :) > > /me feels off topic and in need of a coffee, got a headache because of > these containers... > I. > > Actually it's very simple. At this point in time KDE 4.0.0 is the whole "set" of KDE4. Therefore it IS KDE4. When KDE 4.0.1 comes out KDE 4.0.0 will no longer be the whole "set" of KDE4. SO at that time KDE 4.0.0 will no longer be KDE4. KDE4 will be the container for the whole set of KDE 4.0.0 and KDE 4.0.1, and so on until KDE5 comes into being. Then the process starts over all over again. I also understand what he was trying to say. That KDE 4.0.0 is not what KDE4 will be. BUT, words can be funny sometimes. You have to be careful how something is said because things can be "twisted" and meanings become "different". From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jan 18 16:37:57 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:37:57 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> On 01/18/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your > extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and > get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. > > Dotan Cohen Sarcasm ill becomes you. Perhaps rather than holding the hands of those you "convert" it would serve them better to teach them. There comes a time in the lives of all children when they have to learn to stand on their own two feet. Continuing to codle them does them no good. You do them no favors by moving them over to Linux and then just continuing to run their computers for them. [ Unless of course you are not doing for individuals as I understood an earlier message. BUT, doing for business's and managing their system,s for them. ] I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all his life. Pretty good advice. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 18 17:26:02 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:26:02 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2550746.cNDoro9TvV@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 01/18/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your >> extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and >> get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. > > Sarcasm ill becomes you. I don't know - I think he does fine with it :-) > Perhaps rather than holding the hands of those you "convert" it would > serve them better to teach them. It's not necessary to do either. I don't maintain nearly as many systems as Dotan, but I download all packages to one system, check out all the updates, and when I'm happy with them use "apt-move" to build a partial mirror. My other systems update from _my_ mirror, not Ubuntu's. Users can learn how to use the package system, override the sources, and be on their own, or they can take updates whenever they see the update icon in the system tray. No muss, no fuss, on my part. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 18 17:28:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:28:51 -0400 Subject: dpkg error References: <4790B85F.8020804@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1577576.60UXnH3uvT@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just installed a package on my daughter's Feisty box and whilst doing > so, apt gave a message about unneeded packages which I could remove with > 'apt-get autoremove'. The list included a bunch of games and linux > headers. I took note of the games (so as to install them again - I wasn't > sure if there were newer new-named packages or not) and didn't worry about > the linux headers package as I have an older kernel installed - so I did > as suggested. > Everything was going OK until apt got to the linux headers and > complained about not being able to remove a makefile inside the /nfsd > dir - permission denied. > I tried again after booting into the older kernel - no joy! > I tried as root from the older kernel rescue mode - apt complained that > it couldn't execute dpkg! > > I tried rebooting into the normal older kernel and now am stuck with: > Could not exec dpkg! > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) > > Any ideas? I can't install or remove anything at the moment. Go back to the correct kernel, fix the permissions on the nfsd directory, and try again. Why would you boot into a different kernel, when the answer was given to you in the first try? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 18 17:34:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:34:38 -0400 Subject: kdm error References: <478FA1E9.2040809@rmk.co.il> <2432709.QTl9J8NnML@cedar.serverforest.com> <4790B580.5090307@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1709936.UzHHI4e3N1@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> Starting K Display Manager: kdm/usr/bin/kdm: error while loading shared >>> libraries: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2: ELF file version does not >>> match current one >> ... >>> Any ideas on a fix? >> >> Remove libc6-i686 and try again. If that works, then try reinstalling >> libc6-i686. >> >> This was a _common_ problem in feisty pre-release, but I've never seen it >> in stable versions. > > Thanks that did it - I think. My daughter had already successfully > started the computer and was using it when I came home from work! > Anyway I did as you suggested and now it starts OK. btw, this should never happen with gutsy. The problem occurs (aiui - this is the voice of experience, not that of a kernel developer!) because you have libc6 and libc6-i686 and the installer has to update one or the other first - but they both need to be at the same version! I found it caused so many problems when I was running feisty pre-release versions that I simply uninstalled libc6-i686 (it only contains 686-optimized versions of functions in libc6) until feisty was officially released. Since Gutsy, we now see apt periodically print a message about deferred libc6 updates, which I believe is intended specifically to prevent this problem -- derek From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Jan 18 20:30:35 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:30:35 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478FBBE1.1010202@tiscali.co.uk> <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200801182130.35470.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Friday 18 January 2008 11:40, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > > /me been wandering around something similar long time ago... > > KDE 4.0.0 is a piece of software and it is a container of pieces of > software, which is the same kind of KDE4... but then the set of all > possible sets is contained in itself? :) Can't remember which famous > mathematician had a hard time defining this problem, I think it was > about first and second order logic, and in the end if you can put a > container in itself then the logical results take a while to be > computed... like forever :) > > /me feels off topic and in need of a coffee, got a headache because of > these containers... > I. > > -- > Ignazio Palmisano Thanks Ignazio, We are getting out of topic here but any mathematician will smile at he "Impeccable logic". If a set has only one element the set is the same as the element, right? What about a classroom with only one student, so class 3B=Eric, and you could add other students into class 3B or into Eric. _Ouch! ;O) About sets not containing themselves look up "Russell's Paradox" (*) see at bottom Derek said: > Not buying it. KDE 4 isn't a container. At this time, it _is_ KDE 4.0.0. (that above makes me uncomfortable) ^--------------^ Well, perhaps we should accept the fact that in common language we use words that are not understood/defined-yet. The definition of some terms may come or change with usage. Yet patterns concerning the "decimal" notation of versions and revisions has already been established long ago and we all expect that version X.0.0 will be folloved by something; should the definition of the version change, from not-container to container, "at this time", when a new revision is added? Billie added: > Isn't language, and playing with words, fun. I second that. (*) Russel's paradox It might be assumed that, for any formal criterion, a set exists whose members are those objects (and only those objects) that satisfy the criterion; but this assumption is disproved by a set containing exactly the sets that are not members of themselves. If such a set qualifies as a member of itself, it would contradict its own definition as a set containing sets that are not members of themselves. On the other hand, if such a set is not a member of itself, it would qualify as a member of itself by the same definition. This contradiction is Russell's paradox. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #192: runaway cat on system From nigel at rmk.co.il Fri Jan 18 20:30:25 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:30:25 +0200 Subject: dpkg error In-Reply-To: <1577576.60UXnH3uvT@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4790B85F.8020804@rmk.co.il> <1577576.60UXnH3uvT@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47910C61.10609@rmk.co.il> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I just installed a package on my daughter's Feisty box and whilst doing >> so, apt gave a message about unneeded packages which I could remove with >> 'apt-get autoremove'. The list included a bunch of games and linux >> headers. I took note of the games (so as to install them again - I wasn't >> sure if there were newer new-named packages or not) and didn't worry about >> the linux headers package as I have an older kernel installed - so I did >> as suggested. >> Everything was going OK until apt got to the linux headers and >> complained about not being able to remove a makefile inside the /nfsd >> dir - permission denied. >> I tried again after booting into the older kernel - no joy! >> I tried as root from the older kernel rescue mode - apt complained that >> it couldn't execute dpkg! >> >> I tried rebooting into the normal older kernel and now am stuck with: >> Could not exec dpkg! >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) >> >> Any ideas? I can't install or remove anything at the moment. > > Go back to the correct kernel, fix the permissions on the nfsd directory, > and try again. > > Why would you boot into a different kernel, when the answer was given to you > in the first try? Tired? Also because I figured it was because I was using that kernel and that's why it was being 'blocked'. But why would the permissions on the nfsd directory change? And what is the problem with dpkg?: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) I tried searching Google for the exact eror message but didn't find an 'error code (100)'. I'm back off to work again - so I'lll try things tomorrow..... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Jan 18 20:38:43 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:38:43 +0100 Subject: kdm error In-Reply-To: <4790B580.5090307@rmk.co.il> References: <478FA1E9.2040809@rmk.co.il> <2432709.QTl9J8NnML@cedar.serverforest.com> <4790B580.5090307@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801182138.43336.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Friday 18 January 2008 15:19, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> Any ideas on a fix? > > > > Remove libc6-i686 and try again.  If that works, then try reinstalling > > libc6-i686. > > > > This was a _common_ problem in feisty pre-release, but I've never seen it > > in stable versions. > > Thanks that did it - I think. My daughter had already successfully > started the computer and was using it when I came home from work! How? > Anyway I did as you suggested and now it starts OK. Why? Did you still need to? Perry -- BOFH excuse #420: Feature was not beta tested From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 21:29:35 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:29:35 +0100 Subject: (Newebie.) Adept, Synaptic and OpenOffice: still unpredictable installation results. Message-ID: <47911A3F.4090302@gmail.com> Dear everybody My attempts to install software packages via SYNAPTIC and ADEPT still have unpredictable results. On one hand, I did manage to successfully install several language modules for OpenOffice: dictionaries, spell-checkers, hyphenation tools and thesauruses for different languages. On the other hand, attempts to install HELP software for the same OpenOffice suite have failed so far. According to both SYNAPTIC and ADEPT, five help software packages of OpenOffice have been installed in my system: openoffice.org-help-nl, openoffice.org-help-en-gb and help packages in three other languages. However, I do not manage to access any single version amongst them: not via one of the OpenOffice applications, also not via the OpenOffice quick starter or the general K-Menu. Can anybody give me an advise how to fix this problem? Thanks and have a good weekend. Bas. From dgvirtual at akl.lt Fri Jan 18 21:39:06 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:39:06 +0200 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? In-Reply-To: <1318698.0TmLEmK9V0@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200801181428.03919.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <1318698.0TmLEmK9V0@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801182339.06337.dgvirtual@akl.lt> On Friday 18 January 2008 15:40:23 Derek Broughton rašė: > Donatas G. wrote: > > On Friday 18 January 2008 13:16:06 Daniel Pittman rašė: > >> "Donatas G." writes: > >> > when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) > >> > window: > >> > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb > >> > > >> > I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this warning > >> > message popping up: > >> > > >> > The file > >> > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb is a > >> > binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. > >> > > >> > All I intend is to get the file to download... > >> > > >> > Could somebody explain, what is wrong with my settings? > >> > >> Nothing; the server is wrong: > > Yes (maybe) and no. > > >> it tells the web browser that file > >> contains plain text, not binary data. As a result Konqueror does the > >> right thing and displays it -- but warns you about the problem. > > Yes, the server should report it as application/x-deb mimetype, but > konqueror is quite capable of handling files without proper mimetypes based > on file suffix. I'm not sure this wasn't reported properly - my network's > too slow to want to check; what I can see is that my own mirror has no > definition for application/x-deb, but konqueror still treats them a such. > Unfortunately, Kubuntu doesn't automatically come with a way to handle > packages from the web but you can always install gdebi-kde to fix it. You can try to start downloading that package - it is less than one mb anyway.. Should I check file associations to troubleshoot? I have gdebi-kde installed, and *.deb is associated with: gdebi, then - ark, then - karchiver, and the embedding options are: "use settings for 'applications' group" (other options are: "show file in embedded viewer" and "show file in separate viewer") and the checkbox "ask whether to save to disk instead" is also checked. The package is still displayed in konqueror (unless it is on a local file system). -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 21:43:11 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:43:11 -0500 Subject: clicking on a link with firefox....and then Message-ID: <200801181643.12051.cms0009@gmail.com> Well, have Firefox installed, and configured... and when click on a bookmark link... firefox launches and displays the url bookmark page....However There something very odd, it would appear that another instant of firefox wants to load, (2 firefox) then the cursor bounces up and down, the changes back to the normal pointer. Aagin, I just click the link once, the first firefox launches, followed by the a second, but never get there. Q. how do I stop this second opening of firefox from happening Richard From phillipd at oem.doe.gov Fri Jan 18 21:45:05 2008 From: phillipd at oem.doe.gov (Douglas Phillipson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:45:05 -0800 Subject: KDE4 just too slow Message-ID: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> I've found KDE4 WAY too slow for use. After clicking an Icon for an application it takes 2 seconds just to get launch feedback, then the app takes a long time to show up. It's pretty but doesn't seem too functional yet. (Kind of like GNOME) 8-) Had to go back to 3.5.8 to get some work done. Doug P From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 22:16:59 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:16:59 +0000 Subject: Sharing Firefox profiles between Windows and Kubuntu Message-ID: <200801182216.59636.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Hello, all! I am trying to share Firefox profiles between Gutsy and XP Pro and have created a separate FAT32 partition that both OSs can see. I have googled and searched the archives and found three sets of directions. None worked. It is not my box, and I think it possible that the owner has done something weird and wonderful to his XP installation. Be that as it may, the files I was supposed to be moving/linking to in XP were simply not where the directions said that they would be. In fact, the folders they were said to be in did not exist. I did use "find" and moved the Profiles file that was all I could find, but that had no effect at all. It didn't even break anything, in spite of the absence of links. Has anyone actually done this recently? If so, how? Failing that, how do I transfer Firefox profiles from XP to Gutsy? "Import" does not offer browse as an option, merely tells me that it can't find any IE files :-( . TIA Lisi From edulix at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 22:28:59 2008 From: edulix at gmail.com (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:28:59 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> Message-ID: <200801182328.59722.edulix@gmail.com> El Viernes 18 Enero 2008, Douglas Phillipson escribió: > I've found KDE4 WAY too slow for use. After clicking an Icon for an > application it takes 2 seconds just to get launch feedback, then the app > takes a long time to show up. It's pretty but doesn't seem too > functional yet. (Kind of like GNOME) 8-) Had to go back to 3.5.8 to > get some work done. > > Doug P KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE3, and more CPU in many cases. Things like double buffering all the widgets can be a cause of this. Also, the code is a base and needs to be optimized (example: plasmoids rotations), and many bug fix work needs to be done. Maybe it's called 4.0.0 and maybe that was the best thing to do as aseigo and other developers have stated in their blogs, but that doesn't mean that users should use it as their working enviroment. As a developer and as a KDE poweruser which wants to help, I use KDE 4.0.0 from time to time, to have some fun and to find and report bugs. At the moment I'm using 3.5.8 as my desktop enviroment, but I'm also running some KDE4 applications: kopete, konqueror, konsole, kwrite and kate, which are applications that I daily use and whose KDE 4.0.0 version is stable enough for me. If you are short on ram and wants to try running kde 3.x and 4.x applications, take into account that will take some extra ram in order to load libraries and daemons from two different DE (qt3, qt4, kdelibs4 and kdelibs5, etc). Have fun! Eduardo Robles Elvira. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." (George Bernard Shaw) From mathias.schindler at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 22:37:32 2008 From: mathias.schindler at gmail.com (Mathias Schindler) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:37:32 +0100 Subject: Sharing Firefox profiles between Windows and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200801182216.59636.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801182216.59636.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48502b480801181437s6e8a99e0mc97fbd5ea61c2792@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 18, 2008 11:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Has anyone actually done this recently? If so, how? Friends of mine "solved" that problem by bypassing it via http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/index.html Mathias From lacsilva at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 23:20:46 2008 From: lacsilva at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lu=EDs_Silva?=) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:20:46 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801182328.59722.edulix@gmail.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801182328.59722.edulix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801190020.52486.lacsilva@gmail.com> > KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE3, and more CPU in many > cases. Things like double buffering all the widgets can > be a cause of this. Hi! Have been compiling KDE 4.0.0 from svn and notice exactly the opposite. There is a bug in xine that makes knotify4 go wild if the sound notifications are used. Disable them and you will see that KDE4.0.0 is in fact lighter and faster than KDE3.5.8 even with debug symbols. Luís Silva From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 18 23:30:56 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:30:56 -0500 Subject: Video out to LCD Message-ID: <479136B0.6050304@sbcglobal.net> Dell Laptop , kubuntu-7.10 . If I do a Fn-F8 on my laptop , to a external LCD at 1024x768, the display is off to the left and not centered on Ext LCD. Can't get ext LCD monitor to center desktop. If I Fn-F8 again and bring display back to laptop the display is at a very low resolution and spreads off both sides of laptops lcd display. Have to restart X to get back to normal. I have Fedora 8 on this Laptop and have no problems displaying to ext. LCD. What settings do I change to get Kubuntu to work ? From mdhirsch at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 23:47:00 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (mdhirsch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:47:00 -0700 Subject: problem with adept on kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and Intel x86. In-Reply-To: <478F4A0C.8000102@gmail.com> References: <35d4d09c.372e0580.478e920c.c9d7b@o2.pl> <478EF997.6070703@free.fr> <478F4A0C.8000102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0801181547n1be0b186yf9e85755a449472a@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried running apt-get instead to see if the problem is adept or apt? First, run 'sudo apt-get update' and see what you get. Then, run 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and see if that works. Then pick a package you want to install, say it's synaptic, and try 'sudo apt-get install synaptic' and see what happens. If all these succeed, then you have an adept problem. I decided I don't like adept and use synaptic for my gui. Since you just installed it with the third test above, you it. ;-) If there was a problem, you have a problem with you apt-get/dpkg setup. Post the results here and we can probably help you. Michael On 1/17/08, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello everybody > > I have just installed kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and .... > Though I have installed the Kubuntu 7.10 version meant for x86 Intel > processor computers, the passage below summarises very well the > problems I have too with Adept Manager: > > > ..I have a problem with adept.Every time I try to upgrade or install a > package I get the message: > > > > Could not commit changes - Adept Manager. There was an error commiting > changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the > commit would break packages. > > > I getexactly the same message whenever I use Adept - not only via the > update service, but also via the two other entries to adept: > * K-Menu-System - Adept Manager. > * K-Menu - Add/ Remove programs > > > ...but packages get installed.... > Packages downloaded via the Adept update manager do get installed in my > case too, as far I can verify. > But attempts to install extra packages via the two other entries do not > have predictable results: sometimes packages do get installed, in other > cases not. I have no idea why. > > So far, two possible causes of the problem have been pointed at: > > ...problem with the configuration of my system?... probably repos are > updating? ... > However, the 'KDE Crash handler' at my machine pointed at a third > possible cause: > > > ADEP CRASH. Signal 6, SIGABRT. > > Short description: the application Adept Manager (adept_manager) > > crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT). > I submitted a bug report with details via this URL: > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152628 > > At the same place, there is a discussion going on exactly this problem. > However, so far I did not yet manage to find an approach in it enabling > me to solve the problem. > > Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Jan 19 00:11:39 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:11:39 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4790CEB8.6080008@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> <4790CEB8.6080008@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801181911.39534.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 18 January 2008 11:07:20 am Billie Walsh wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > > Wulfy wrote: > >> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >>> Derek Broughton wrote: > >>>> Billie Walsh wrote: > I also understand what he was trying to say. That KDE 4.0.0 is not what > KDE4 will be. BUT, words can be funny sometimes. You have to be careful > how something is said because things can be "twisted" and meanings > become "different". Welcome to the English language ;-) -- David M. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 19 00:37:33 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:37:33 +0000 Subject: Firefox 3 In-Reply-To: <478FF112.4010104@tiscali.co.uk> References: <478FF112.4010104@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <4791464D.6070800@tiscali.co.uk> Wulfy wrote: > Can some *please* tell me why I need to install GNOME to run it? > Xulrunner drags it in... Does the Mozilla Foundation have a problem > with KDE? I checked on the Mozilla website and downloaded FF3 as a tarball. Neither Xulrunner nor the GNOME libs are in there. So FF3 will run without Xulrunner (seemingly). I looked at the Xulrunner download and found that most of the GNOME stuff wasn't there either... just a requirement for libgtk, I think. So to answer my question. No, I don't think the Mozilla Foundation has a problem with KDE, just that Alexander Sack (who packaged FF3 for Ubuntu) perhaps didn't think about those of us who don't use GNOME... Are you on this list, Alexander? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From dhcolesj at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 02:41:48 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:41:48 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200801172041.48740.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:41:21 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 06:49:46 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until > >> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie > >> and don't know what to do . > > > > try going to tty2, which is a shell, and see what it looks like. > > Hit [ctrl]+[Alt]+[F2] to do that. > > > > If the login prompt looks Ok its probably just a config issue with > > xorg.conf > > > > If you still can't see anything, its probably a driver issue. > > > > What kind of video card do you run? > > Hi Howard > It has been one of those days, 1st Kubuntu screen trashed, then my hi > speed modem needs to be rebooted 4 times to finally come up, then I > wanted to print your instructions and my lazer jet is feeding 3 or 4 > sheets at a time. > Howard I have a nvidia Ge Force 6100 n Force 405. I did got to terminal > and everything looked fine so it must be in my xorg.conf file. I've > been a little hesitant about working from a command line, but nothing > ventured nothing gained. > I can do the change from terminal right? BTW what is the command to > quit terminal?? exit or logout either will work. Ok, so the xorg.conf file is a little messed up. There are two ways to fix it: 1. run the reconfigure switch on xorg 2. Edit the xorg.conf file and put the resolution back like it was. (of course you COULD, boot up to a live CD and copy the xorg.conf from that to your real location as well). The problem with 1 is at the moment I can't for the life of me remember the syntax. I've been fighting TSM's Admin Center on Red Hat Enterprise 5.1. There may be a backup copy of xorg.conf from the last time it was edited. look for files that start "xorg.conf" and then have something like . or .bak Look for the one with the most recent date and copy it to the real xorg.conf file as follows: sudo cp xorg.conf. xorg.conf if it prompts you to overwrite hit y. Let us know what you find in that directory. ls -l will give you a long list with the dates to the side. ls -lh will give you long list with human readable sizes (10 MB, 1 GB, etc.) -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 03:21:56 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:21:56 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200801182121.56896.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:41:21 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 06:49:46 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until > >> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie > >> and don't know what to do . > > > > try going to tty2, which is a shell, and see what it looks like. > > Hit [ctrl]+[Alt]+[F2] to do that. > > > > If the login prompt looks Ok its probably just a config issue with > > xorg.conf > > > > If you still can't see anything, its probably a driver issue. > > > > What kind of video card do you run? > > Hi Howard > It has been one of those days, 1st Kubuntu screen trashed, then my hi > speed modem needs to be rebooted 4 times to finally come up, then I > wanted to print your instructions and my lazer jet is feeding 3 or 4 > sheets at a time. > Howard I have a nvidia Ge Force 6100 n Force 405. I did got to terminal > and everything looked fine so it must be in my xorg.conf file. I've > been a little hesitant about working from a command line, but nothing > ventured nothing gained. > I can do the change from terminal right? BTW what is the command to > quit terminal?? Sorry for the delay, but for some reason Kontact just decided to do things differently, and I couldn't send email until I reconfigured my gmail connection. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 04:53:20 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:53:20 +0200 Subject: Video out to LCD In-Reply-To: <479136B0.6050304@sbcglobal.net> References: <479136B0.6050304@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200801190653.20495.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > What settings do I change to get Kubuntu to work ? Compare the /etc/X11/xorg.conf files from both systems. Be sure to backup your kubuntu one before changing it... \d -- "Thus the creationist's favourite question "What is the use of half an eye?" Actually, this is a lightweight question, a doddle to answer. Half an eye is just 1 per cent better than 49 per cent of an eye..." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 05:08:37 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:08:37 +0200 Subject: (Newebie.) Adept, Synaptic and OpenOffice: still unpredictable installation results. In-Reply-To: <47911A3F.4090302@gmail.com> References: <47911A3F.4090302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801190708.37609.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Bas, I don't really use ooo but here are some thoughts. Go to: [/usr/lib/openoffice/help] and see what's installed. If there are files there (under dirs like 'en' and 'nl') then it's at least installed. Next, check your language settings in the system settings - perhaps ooffice cannot find your locale. If you press F1 in ooo, do you get any help at all? \d -- He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. -- Abraham Lincoln Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 05:11:15 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:11:15 +0200 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200801190711.16140.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 17 January 2008 06:41:21 Fred Schuelzky wrote: > BTW what is the command to quit terminal?? If you mean the command-line, the really quick one is Ctrl-D \d -- snappy repartee: What you'd say if you had another chance. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 19 05:17:50 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:17:50 +1100 Subject: Printer Problem Message-ID: <479187FE.10402@optusnet.com.au> David Fletcher wrote: > At 05:58 18/01/2008, you wrote: > > >> Hi I have set up my printer in Kubuntu 7.10 (Cannon i550) as Cannon 7100 >> foomatic is the only one on the printer list but it works perfectly well >> in the test page. However, will not print a thing from OOo Write. The >> Print Systems setting just shows the job in the job list as Error. >> >> Any suggestions?? >> >> Clark. >> > > > You may very well find that the consensus around here is that you > should go buy an Epson or HP. My old Stylus Photo 950 works very > nicely indeed. With an Epson you should be able to also use the > escputil package to do ink level checks, nozzle checks, head cleaning etc. > > My personal experience of Canon printers would suggest that the best > thing to do with one is to place it between the surfaces of a > hydraulic press and push the red button (demonstrated at the end of > Terminator) so that it occupies less space in the landfill. > > Dave > > Thanks Dave, your comments kind of set the scene but hope springs eternal, especially for novices. Have you heard of this offering, my problem is that there is no mention of my Kubuntu in BrightQ below so !! Any comments that hold out any hope appreciated. Clark The BrightQ^(TM) printing suite becomes more powerful and user-friendly with Codehost's latest release, BrightQ Pro v2.4. BrightQ Pro, considered the de-facto Unix and Linux printing standard for the multi-function copier market, includes a number of new features and product enhancements. BrightQ has been adopted by industry-leading printing manufacturers in order to serve their Unix and Linux clients better. As a desktop or server solution, BrightQ Pro saves service and support staff hours of time, while the end-user has complete access to their printer's output options. Features » Printer Installation Wizard » Network Device Detection » Monitor Device Status » Printer Classes » Import/Export print queues » Enhanced data workflow » User Customizable PJM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 19 05:41:22 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:41:22 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2085689.bGzIllF6Br@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161533.45970.lists@ptfd.org> <2085689.bGzIllF6Br@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801190041.22280.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 17 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > here here! > > Please! It's "hear"... (and I'm sorry that you had to be the one I > finally broke down and said this to...) Eye eye, Captain. I'm sure u know for all intensive purposes their the same thing anyway, and now all of the sudden your the grammer police. (Kinda made my skin crawl a little to write that.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 19 06:59:40 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:59:40 +1100 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps Message-ID: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. Can someone help me break out of this cycle? Clark. From abonnema at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 19 07:20:04 2008 From: abonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:20:04 +0100 Subject: Xorg errors since yesterday Message-ID: <4791A4A4.5000007@xs4all.nl> Hi guys, Since about 16th or 17th of January I get XWindows errors for both eclipse and pyalamode (both IDE's). Also, there have been some xorg-core packages. Anyone else have this problem? Is someone working on it? Guus. -- A.J. Bonnema, Leiden The Netherlands, user #328198 (Linux Counter http://counter.li.org) From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 19 08:01:31 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:01:31 +0000 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> Clark wrote: > I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in > System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I > select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this > function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www > address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't > find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. > Can someone help me break out of this cycle? > > Clark. > > Type "about:config" into FF's address bar. Search for: network.protocol-handler.app.mailto It's a string... set it to your mail apps name [mine says "thunderbird"] Below it is: network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto Boolean. set to "true". All without the quotes, of course. HTH -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Jan 19 08:50:52 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:50:52 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801190020.52486.lacsilva@gmail.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801182328.59722.edulix@gmail.com> <200801190020.52486.lacsilva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4791B9EC.4090307@free.fr> No doubt of it :) dual core intel 2 G RAM kde4 is nearly double fatest than kde3.5 Luís Silva wrote: >> KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE3, and more CPU in many >> cases. Things like double buffering all the widgets can >> be a cause of this. >> > > Hi! > Have been compiling KDE 4.0.0 from svn and notice exactly > the opposite. There is a bug in xine that makes knotify4 go > wild if the sound notifications are used. Disable them and > you will see that KDE4.0.0 is in fact lighter and faster > than KDE3.5.8 even with debug symbols. > > Luís Silva > > From jussi01 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 08:57:36 2008 From: jussi01 at gmail.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:57:36 +0200 Subject: Xorg errors since yesterday In-Reply-To: <4791A4A4.5000007@xs4all.nl> References: <4791A4A4.5000007@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi, As far as I understand it this was a bug that came when some xorg packages were updated. I understand it has now been fixed and a simle update of your system should solve the error. Jussi On Jan 19, 2008 9:20 AM, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > Hi guys, > > Since about 16th or 17th of January I get XWindows errors for both > eclipse and pyalamode (both IDE's). > > Also, there have been some xorg-core packages. > > Anyone else have this problem? > Is someone working on it? > > Guus. > -- > A.J. Bonnema, Leiden The Netherlands, > user #328198 (Linux Counter http://counter.li.org) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 19 10:08:56 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:08:56 +0100 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4791CC38.80405@wanadoo.fr> Did you just type firefox ? I gave the full path, i.e : /usr/bin/firefox But thunderbird doesn't use firefox when I click on an URL, it opens konqueror... funny. But as said by wulfy, in Thunderbird, go to edit-> preferences-> advanced -> general and click on "configuration editor" (or something like this in english). Then, you can find and change the network.protocol-handler.app.http - for me it is set to /usr/bin/konqueror Cheers Clark a écrit : > I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in > System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I > select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this > function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www > address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't > find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. > Can someone help me break out of this cycle? > > Clark. > > From javedshadab at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 10:56:01 2008 From: javedshadab at gmail.com (javed aslam) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:26:01 +0530 Subject: guys some attention pls... Message-ID: <110e69080801190256m79bdb9d9kc00972ce5477de02@mail.gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 11:21:32 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:21:32 +0200 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801191321.32424.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Javed, Take it one thing at a time. Try to boot off the Kubuntu CD and start the installation again. It sounds like you have erased Vista, so don't worry about that. When you get the system installed, we can worry about listening to music. If you get stuck, then post about specific things and we'll try to help you. \d -- He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. -- Winston Churchill Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Sat Jan 19 12:00:45 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:00:45 -0500 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <4791B9EC.4090307@free.fr> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801190020.52486.lacsilva@gmail.com> <4791B9EC.4090307@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801190700.45393.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Saturday 19 January 2008 03:50:52 girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > No doubt of it :) > dual core intel 2 G RAM > kde4 is nearly double fatest than kde3.5 Yeah, same here, KDE4 crashes twice as fast as KDE3.5.8 :) -- | Jason Straight | http://www.SkyCon.net | Yahoo: jasonrstraight | ICQ: 1796276 | MSN: glock21-45cal at hotmail.com | AIM: JasonRStraight --- RonPaul2008.com --- From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Jan 19 12:14:39 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:14:39 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801190700.45393.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801190020.52486.lacsilva@gmail.com> <4791B9EC.4090307@free.fr> <200801190700.45393.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <4791E9AF.4000901@free.fr> kde4 is very good :) better than vista at release time Jason Straight wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2008 03:50:52 girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > >> No doubt of it :) >> dual core intel 2 G RAM >> kde4 is nearly double fatest than kde3.5 >> > > Yeah, same here, KDE4 crashes twice as fast as KDE3.5.8 :) > > From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sat Jan 19 13:06:02 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:06:02 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801190041.22280.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <2085689.bGzIllF6Br@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801190041.22280.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801190806.02870.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Saturday 19 January 2008 00:41:22 D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > here here! > > > > Please! It's "hear"... (and I'm sorry that you had to be the one I > > finally broke down and said this to...) > > Eye eye, Captain. I'm sure u know for all intensive purposes their the same > thing anyway, and now all of the sudden your the grammer police. > > (Kinda made my skin crawl a little to write that.) > -- > D. Michael McIntyre The wise humbly and thankfully accept instruction and correction, specially if it is free. From edulix at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 13:09:31 2008 From: edulix at gmail.com (Eduardo Robles) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:09:31 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <4791E9AF.4000901@free.fr> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801190020.52486.lacsilva@gmail.com> <4791B9EC.4090307@free.fr> <200801190700.45393.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> <4791E9AF.4000901@free.fr> Message-ID: <9e2d3ad60801190509yef56654x32fa63f5152d8be6@mail.gmail.com> KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE 3.5.8 in my system. I installed exmap and sorted by Effective Resident memory usage column, and launched kmix,konsole,konqueror with two tabs,ksnapshot,klipper and kwrite. Both without composite activated and within Kubuntu Gutsy freshly started in a machine with 900Mb of RAM and no swap usage. The result: total memory usage with KDE 3.5.8 is 123Mb, and with KDE 4.0.0 is 161Mb. I used the mentioned applications to do a similar test to the one done in [1]. -- [1] http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-3-5-vs-4-0-round-two.so -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 14:24:43 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:24:43 -0600 Subject: screen trashed, Help In-Reply-To: <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> References: <478EA62A.8030507@earthlink.net> <200801162120.19421.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <478EDC71.3010101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200801190824.44185.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:41:21 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 06:49:46 pm Fred Schuelzky wrote: > >> I just installed Gutsy on my new new computer, everything was fine until > >> I booted up today, the desktop graphics are unreadable. I'm a noobie > >> and don't know what to do . > > > > try going to tty2, which is a shell, and see what it looks like. > > Hit [ctrl]+[Alt]+[F2] to do that. > > > > If the login prompt looks Ok its probably just a config issue with > > xorg.conf > > > > If you still can't see anything, its probably a driver issue. > > > > What kind of video card do you run? > > Hi Howard > It has been one of those days, 1st Kubuntu screen trashed, then my hi > speed modem needs to be rebooted 4 times to finally come up, then I > wanted to print your instructions and my lazer jet is feeding 3 or 4 > sheets at a time. > Howard I have a nvidia Ge Force 6100 n Force 405. I did got to terminal > and everything looked fine so it must be in my xorg.conf file. I've > been a little hesitant about working from a command line, but nothing > ventured nothing gained. > I can do the change from terminal right? BTW what is the command to > quit terminal?? > > Thanks > Fred I also just realized he may have been asking how to get back to the graphical Desktop. That would be [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[F7] -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sat Jan 19 14:28:35 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:28:35 -0800 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801190041.22280.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <2085689.bGzIllF6Br@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801190041.22280.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801190628.35411.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Friday 18 January 2008 09:41:22 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > here here! > > > > Please! It's "hear"... (and I'm sorry that you had to be the one I > > finally broke down and said this to...) > > Eye eye, Captain. I'm sure u know for all intensive purposes their the same > thing anyway, and now all of the sudden your the grammer police. > > (Kinda made my skin crawl a little to write that.) > -- > D. Michael McIntyre "aye, aye" Larry From abonnema at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 19 15:39:58 2008 From: abonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:39:58 +0100 Subject: Xorg errors since yesterday In-Reply-To: References: <4791A4A4.5000007@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <479219CE.7070009@xs4all.nl> Jussi Schultink wrote: > Hi, > > As far as I understand it this was a bug that came when some xorg > packages were updated. I understand it has now been fixed and a simle > update of your system should solve the error. > > Jussi > Thanks, that was it. (It needs a restart though) Guus. -- A.J. Bonnema, Leiden The Netherlands, user #328198 (Linux Counter http://counter.li.org) From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Jan 19 16:34:23 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:34:23 -0600 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <9e2d3ad60801190509yef56654x32fa63f5152d8be6@mail.gmail.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <4791E9AF.4000901@free.fr> <9e2d3ad60801190509yef56654x32fa63f5152d8be6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801191034.27146.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Saturday 19 January 2008, Eduardo Robles wrote: | KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE 3.5.8 in my system. I installed exmap and | sorted by Effective Resident memory usage column, and launched | kmix,konsole,konqueror with two tabs,ksnapshot,klipper and kwrite. Both | without composite activated and within Kubuntu Gutsy freshly started in a | machine with 900Mb of RAM and no swap usage. The result: total memory usage | with KDE 3.5.8 is 123Mb, and with KDE 4.0.0 is 161Mb. Just because it is using more ram doesn't mean that it is slower. KDE 4 is way faster than 3.5 in many arenas, and the fastest at starting up. I am noticing a little bit of a larger memory footprint myself, but I think that might be due to a little bit of a memory leak here or there. I notice sometimes when I am for instance working on a wiki page with Konqi, the system gets super slow for a bit, then out of nowhere it cleans itself up and then rocks on again. One good thing is the impressive and aggressive release schedule for KDE 4 now. - Feb. KDE 4.0.1 - Mar. KDE 4.0.2 - Apr. KDE 4.0.3 - May KDE 4.0.4 - Jun. KDE 4.0.5 - Jul KDE 4.0.6 - Aug. KDE 4.1 So pretty soon we should be kickin' some arse! -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:02:23 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:02:23 -0500 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801190902n52471d39rc6b63c981686f00f@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/08, javed aslam wrote: > i mailed u regarding the state my laptop is.. after installing the kubuntu > my vista was in detectable.. the files were there were booting failed .. now > i have deleted it.. and trying to re install it.. Which one did you delete? If you deleted Kubuntu just pop in the live CD and reinstall. We can work on the GRUB (boot loader) isssues after. If you deleted Vista, then make sure you reinstall Vista _before_ you install Kubuntu or else you won't be able to boot into Kubuntu. After we get your dual-boot setup working we can get you the restricted codecs to play your music (really easy). Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:09:11 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:09:11 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> On 18/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 01/18/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your > > extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and > > get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > Sarcasm ill becomes you. You know I save it only for the best of times. (and /..) > Perhaps rather than holding the hands of those you "convert" it would > serve them better to teach them. The situation is not that I 'convert' people. I do not see choice of OS||webBrowser||textEditor as religion. I install a simple to use, virus free operating system for people who complain to me that their computers are 'broken'. Of course I teach them to use the system, and basic maintenance, but I do not expect them to reinstall it twice a year. Nor do I want to. > There comes a time in the lives of all > children when they have to learn to stand on their own two feet. My daughter just stood on two feet for the first time today. You have excellent timing. > Continuing to codle them does them no good. You do them no favors by > moving them over to Linux and then just continuing to run their > computers for them. [ Unless of course you are not doing for individuals > as I understood an earlier message. BUT, doing for business's and > managing their system,s for them. ] These machines are no less maintained than they were when the user was running Windows. And I do _not_ run their computers for them, quite the opposite, I stressed that I do _not_ want to begin doing that. > I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish > and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all > his life. Pretty good advice. That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those two books (maybe I should start). Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:12:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:12:10 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> Message-ID: <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> On 18/01/2008, Tipton, Timothy wrote: > > > Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your > > extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and > > get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. > > Hello Pot, meet Kettle. > What is the meaning of that expression? I've never heard it. I'm not offended, but I'm interested in knowing what it means. I should mention that I meant no offense to Billie. If offense was taken (or suspected), then I apologize. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:15:04 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:15:04 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <2550746.cNDoro9TvV@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <2550746.cNDoro9TvV@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801190915y73bec124v9c96e6d2ab9f454d@mail.gmail.com> On 18/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > > On 01/18/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your > >> extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and > >> get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. > > > > Sarcasm ill becomes you. > > I don't know - I think he does fine with it :-) > > > Perhaps rather than holding the hands of those you "convert" it would > > serve them better to teach them. > > It's not necessary to do either. I don't maintain nearly as many systems as > Dotan, but I download all packages to one system, check out all the > updates, and when I'm happy with them use "apt-move" to build a partial > mirror. My other systems update from _my_ mirror, not Ubuntu's. > > Users can learn how to use the package system, override the sources, and be > on their own, or they can take updates whenever they see the update icon in > the system tray. > > No muss, no fuss, on my part. I still use the Ubuntu repos, but I only update the systems when I visit someone for other reasons. That's why I settled on Kubuntu: Fedora had people calling me with "this broke" or "that stopped working" way to often. Kubuntu is a reliable, stable OS. That is why I am opposed to the inclusion of KDE 4.0. KDE 4.0 is _not_ stable nor reliable. I would ideally SSH into these machines once in a while to make sure all is fine, but the university firewall makes that impossible. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sat Jan 19 17:17:49 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:17:49 +0000 Subject: Printer Problem In-Reply-To: <479187FE.10402@optusnet.com.au> References: <479187FE.10402@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200801191717.49682.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 19 Jan 2008, Clark wrote: > Thanks Dave, your comments kind of set the scene but hope springs > eternal, especially for novices. > Have you heard of this offering, my problem is that there is no mention > of my Kubuntu in BrightQ below so !! Any comments that hold out any > hope appreciated. > I don't know where you are located, but do you have any local free cycle groups? I have an old perfectly good, hardly used HP ScanJet 3300C that my son can have, that came from a free cycler. Later windoze versions don't work with it but Kubuntu does. If you watch for a while, you will likely see Epson printers being given away. I have, but I've already got one. Depends on what sort of quality you need. Keep your eyes open and see what happens. But, also consider that low end printers only cost a few pounds (or dollars, or whatever) these days, so if you see a model you fancy just ask if anybody else is using it before you buy. Dave -- FACT - Millions of people worldwide continue to pay money to the richest person in the world to use his products, even though perfectly good software is given away completely free of charge by the open source community! I can't understand it either. Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:29:15 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:29:15 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801191929.15520.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > Hello Pot, meet Kettle. > What is the meaning of that expression? I've never heard it. I'm not > offended, but I'm interested in knowing what it means. "The pot called the kettle black" is a way of saying one is a hypocrite. Both are blackened from the flames anyway. That's my understanding of it. I don't think it's a strong insult, more a funny reminder to look at ones' assumptions. > I should mention that I meant no offense to Billie. If offense was > taken (or suspected), then I apologize. (I'm not Billie, but) I have not taken a shred of offense from anything you have ever posted. I think you should stop apologizing to everyone and sundry. You are polite and well-spoken IMHO. \d -- "There is a profound distinction between a consoling delusion and the truth." -- Sam Harris Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Jan 19 17:51:49 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:51:49 +0100 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <200801191321.32424.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> <200801191321.32424.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801191851.49839.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 19 January 2008 12:21, Donn wrote: > Javed, > Take it one thing at a time. Try to boot off the Kubuntu CD and start the > installation again. It sounds like you have erased Vista, so don't worry > about that. When you get the system installed, we can worry about listening > to music. I'm not sure, but I thought Javed wanted to reinstall Vista and was asking how. If that is the case it is probably better to start with Vista, then reinstalling Kubuntu (or fixing Grub). Since it is important IMHO to understand why it it so, I'll try to explain for Javed: When a computer boots, the BIOS, (Basic Input Output System residing on the motherboard) will perform some tests and tell the machine to fetch further instructions on a predetermined place on the first hard drive, which is called the bootblock. When Windows is installed, it behaves as if it were the only system and overwrites the bootblock for its sole purpose. Linux is nicer (well... normally, I don't know what happened in your case and wether something really went wrong or you just missed the countdown when Grub was waiting for you to tell to boot into Vista). Linux modifies the boot block to retain the original functionnality of the boot block and just adds the option to boot to the new system. GRUB, the Grand Unified Bootloader (or another "good" bootloader), will be called from the bootblock and ask you what system you want to boot. That is why windows has to be installed first (unless you are smart enough to boot from a CD and fix Grub). I have never installed Vista (and I have even never seen it) but installing from a CD is normally an easy task, *you said you were trying to reinstall it but didn't know how to* _You tried to reinstall it or you just want to reinstall it? Please, Javed, ask more precise questions because nobody can guess where you are stuck. Also I hope you are not trying the newest Ubuntu version, it is still experimental and not recommended to newbes. Stick on, first steps are always the hardest Perry -- BOFH excuse #254: Interference from lunar radiation From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:52:00 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:52:00 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801191929.15520.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> <200801191929.15520.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801190952g23ae735ap2647a95f1b54ada1@mail.gmail.com> On 19/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > > Hello Pot, meet Kettle. > > What is the meaning of that expression? I've never heard it. I'm not > > offended, but I'm interested in knowing what it means. > "The pot called the kettle black" is a way of saying one is a hypocrite. Both > are blackened from the flames anyway. That's my understanding of it. I don't > think it's a strong insult, more a funny reminder to look at ones' > assumptions. Ah, thanks. I may be slightly hypocritical at times and need that pointed out to me. My wife will be the first to tell you: I ain't perfect. > > I should mention that I meant no offense to Billie. If offense was > > taken (or suspected), then I apologize. > (I'm not Billie, but) I have not taken a shred of offense from anything you > have ever posted. I think you should stop apologizing to everyone and sundry. > You are polite and well-spoken IMHO. Alright, thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Jan 19 18:04:16 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801191034.27146.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <9e2d3ad60801190509yef56654x32fa63f5152d8be6@mail.gmail.com> <200801191034.27146.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <200801191304.16732.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Saturday 19 January 2008, Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2008, Eduardo Robles wrote: > | KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE 3.5.8 in my system. I installed exmap > | and sorted by Effective Resident memory usage column, and launched > | kmix,konsole,konqueror with two tabs,ksnapshot,klipper and kwrite. Both > | without composite activated and within Kubuntu Gutsy freshly started in a > | machine with 900Mb of RAM and no swap usage. The result: total memory > | usage with KDE 3.5.8 is 123Mb, and with KDE 4.0.0 is 161Mb. > > Just because it is using more ram doesn't mean that it is slower. KDE 4 is > way faster than 3.5 in many arenas, and the fastest at starting up. I am > noticing a little bit of a larger memory footprint myself, but I think that > might be due to a little bit of a memory leak here or there. I notice > sometimes when I am for instance working on a wiki page with Konqi, the > system gets super slow for a bit, then out of nowhere it cleans itself up > and then rocks on again. > > One good thing is the impressive and aggressive release schedule for KDE 4 > now. > > - Feb. KDE 4.0.1 > - Mar. KDE 4.0.2 > - Apr. KDE 4.0.3 > - May KDE 4.0.4 > - Jun. KDE 4.0.5 > - Jul KDE 4.0.6 > - Aug. KDE 4.1 > > So pretty soon we should be kickin' some arse! Agreed. I just think all the negative attention on KDE right now is hilarious. These are the same people who poo-poo'd all new ideas and desperately tried criticizing them so they could feel mighty. I follow SVN and it gets better with every 'svn up'. From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 19 18:12:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:12:51 -0400 Subject: some attention pls.. guys References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205630.MRfNWGa5cb@cedar.serverforest.com> javed aslam wrote: > i mailed u regarding the state my laptop is.. Then please try to write complete sentences with appropriate capitalization and real words. I see writing like this and I skip it. If you want our help, it is only reasonable to make your best effort to help us. Writing like that may be easier if you have trouble typing, but it certainly isn't easier to read. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 19 18:14:06 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:14:06 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161533.45970.lists@ptfd.org> <2085689.bGzIllF6Br@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801190041.22280.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1311686.PF44kBLq7b@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > here here! >> >> Please! It's "hear"... (and I'm sorry that you had to be the one I >> finally broke down and said this to...) > > Eye eye, Captain. I'm sure u know for all intensive purposes their the > same thing anyway, and now all of the sudden your the grammer police. > > (Kinda made my skin crawl a little to write that.) It sure made mine crawl to read it... -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 18:34:37 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:34:37 +0200 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <1205630.MRfNWGa5cb@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> <1205630.MRfNWGa5cb@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801192034.37700.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:12:51 Derek Broughton wrote: > Then please try to write complete sentences with appropriate capitalization > and real words. Derek, I doubt English is his natural language and he did say he was using a mobile which makes life harder. That said, I wish his OP made more sense. Calm down to a panic :) \d -- The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. -- H L Mencken Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 19 18:22:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:22:29 -0400 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? References: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200801181428.03919.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <1318698.0TmLEmK9V0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801182339.06337.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <1523619.L1kE7ntGRU@cedar.serverforest.com> Donatas G. wrote: > On Friday 18 January 2008 15:40:23 Derek Broughton rašė: >> Donatas G. wrote: >> > On Friday 18 January 2008 13:16:06 Daniel Pittman rašė: >> >> "Donatas G." writes: >> >> > when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) >> >> > window: >> >> > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb >> >> > >> >> > I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this ... > Should I check file associations to troubleshoot? I have gdebi-kde > installed, and *.deb is associated with: gdebi, then - ark, then - > karchiver, and the embedding options are: "use settings for 'applications' > group" (other options are: "show file in embedded viewer" and "show file > in separate viewer") and the checkbox "ask whether to save to disk > instead" is also checked. Mine is set to: Gdebi only (I doubt that matters, as long as GDebi is first) and "Show file in separate viewer", so I guess that's the issue. I would think "embedded viewer" only works if there's actually an embeddable kpart for the application. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 19 18:33:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:33:24 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478FBBE1.1010202@tiscali.co.uk> <47908221.60500@yahoo.it> <200801182130.35470.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <1475190.L31omYWVVG@cedar.serverforest.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > We are getting out of topic here but any mathematician will smile at he > "Impeccable logic". Well, I am one... > If a set has only one element the set is the same as the element, right? No. I'm arguing that KDE 4 is not a set at all. > Derek said: >> Not buying it. KDE 4 isn't a container. At this time, it _is_ KDE >> 4.0.0. > (that above makes me uncomfortable) ^--------------^ > Well, perhaps we should accept the fact that in common language we use > words that are not understood/defined-yet. The definition of some terms > may come or change with usage. Yet patterns concerning the "decimal" > notation of versions and revisions has already been established long ago > and we all expect that version X.0.0 will be folloved by something; should > the definition of the version change, from not-container to container, "at > this time", when a new revision is added? Not at all. KDE 4 is a desktop environment. It is synonymous (that's English, not Math) with KDE 4.0.0. But in another sense, yes, it _will_ change with time. It's not a piece of pure Math. It's a computer application, it evolves - it's closer to Biology than Math. There will come a time when there's a KDE 4.1 and a KDE 4.0, then you might speak of KDE4 as a "set", but only with as much authority as you could talk of Homo Sapiens as a member of the set of Primates (yes, I guess there is such a set, but it isn't very meaningful in the mathematical world). -- derek From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 19 20:53:45 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:53:45 +0000 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <478F88C9.5030401@lemmons.name> References: <478F88C9.5030401@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <47926359.8080307@tiscali.co.uk> Paul Lemmons wrote: > wget -rc http://www.your-site.com If you started it at a folder below / on the site, would it just get everything under that folder? Or would it climb the tree as well as descend? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Jan 19 21:01:43 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:01:43 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47926537.9090108@free.fr> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 18/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 01/18/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and your >>> extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your advice and >>> get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a year. >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >> Sarcasm ill becomes you. >> > > You know I save it only for the best of times. (and /..) > > >> Perhaps rather than holding the hands of those you "convert" it would >> serve them better to teach them. >> > > The situation is not that I 'convert' people. I do not see choice of > OS||webBrowser||textEditor as religion. I install a simple to use, > virus free operating system for people who complain to me that their > computers are 'broken'. Of course I teach them to use the system, and > basic maintenance, but I do not expect them to reinstall it twice a > year. Nor do I want to. > > >> There comes a time in the lives of all >> children when they have to learn to stand on their own two feet. >> > > My daughter just stood on two feet for the first time today. You have > excellent timing. > > >> Continuing to codle them does them no good. You do them no favors by >> moving them over to Linux and then just continuing to run their >> computers for them. [ Unless of course you are not doing for individuals >> as I understood an earlier message. BUT, doing for business's and >> managing their system,s for them. ] >> > > These machines are no less maintained than they were when the user was > running Windows. And I do _not_ run their computers for them, quite > the opposite, I stressed that I do _not_ want to begin doing that. > > >> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish >> and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all >> his life. Pretty good advice. >> > > That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I > understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in > the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those > two books (maybe I should start). > > Dotan Cohen > Never too late :) > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > From cms0009 at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 22:39:21 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:39:21 -0500 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801182328.59722.edulix@gmail.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801182328.59722.edulix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801181739.21807.cms0009@gmail.com> On Friday 18 January 2008 5:28:59 pm Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote: > El Viernes 18 Enero 2008, Douglas Phillipson escribió: > > I've found KDE4 WAY too slow for use. After clicking an Icon for an > > application it takes 2 seconds just to get launch feedback, then the app > > takes a long time to show up. It's pretty but doesn't seem too > > functional yet. (Kind of like GNOME) 8-) Had to go back to 3.5.8 to > > get some work done. > > > > Doug P > > KDE 4.0.0 uses more ram than KDE3, and more CPU in many cases. Things like > double buffering all the widgets can be a cause of this. > > Also, the code is a base and needs to be optimized (example: plasmoids > rotations), and many bug fix work needs to be done. Maybe it's called 4.0.0 > and maybe that was the best thing to do as aseigo and other developers have > stated in their blogs, but that doesn't mean that users should use it as > their working enviroment. > > As a developer and as a KDE poweruser which wants to help, I use KDE 4.0.0 > from time to time, to have some fun and to find and report bugs. > > At the moment I'm using 3.5.8 as my desktop enviroment, but I'm also > running some KDE4 applications: kopete, konqueror, konsole, kwrite and > kate, which are applications that I daily use and whose KDE 4.0.0 version > is stable enough for me. > > If you are short on ram and wants to try running kde 3.x and 4.x > applications, take into account that will take some extra ram in order to > load libraries and daemons from two different DE (qt3, qt4, kdelibs4 and > kdelibs5, etc). > > Have fun! > Eduardo Robles Elvira. > -- > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress > depends on the unreasonable man." (George Bernard Shaw) Well, after this, wait for 4.1.1 From edulix at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 21:36:36 2008 From: edulix at gmail.com (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:36:36 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801191304.16732.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801191034.27146.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200801191304.16732.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200801192236.36233.edulix@gmail.com> El Sábado 19 Enero 2008, Brendan escribió: > > Just because it is using more ram doesn't mean that it is slower. I didn't say the contrary - I just said it used more ram, not that because it uses more ram it's slower. The problem of course is that if you are short of ram, you end up swapping. > > KDE 4 > > is way faster than 3.5 in many arenas, and the fastest at starting up. I > > am noticing a little bit of a larger memory footprint myself, but I think > > that might be due to a little bit of a memory leak here or there. I > > notice sometimes when I am for instance working on a wiki page with > > Konqi, the system gets super slow for a bit, then out of nowhere it > > cleans itself up and then rocks on again. > > Agreed. I just think all the negative attention on KDE right now is > hilarious. These are the same people who poo-poo'd all new ideas and > desperately tried criticizing them so they could feel mighty. I follow SVN > and it gets better with every 'svn up'. It's true and it's sad because KDE4 has a big potential and already has very good things. Konqueror includes my Ctrl-z patch, which can undo closed tabs. Try it! closed an open tab, and then you think "ouch, I want that back!". Fine, press ctrl+z and there you have it ;-). that's why I'm using it, although not as a desktop but I'm using some KDE4 apps. Pointing that it's true that (at least at the moment) it uses more memory than KDE3 is only a matter of fact, and it's a good thing to know for developers. There has been some discusion over that (remember the "KDE4 uses 39% less memory than KDE3"?) so I wanted to test it and show my results. Just that. There has been some negative attention on KDE4, but rejecting constructive criticism isn't going to help the project either. Furtheremore, as I read sometime ago in aseigo's blog, we need to always get the positive side of everything. So If someone say "KDE4 sucks because app X crashed to me", we should ignore the "KDE4 sucks" part, and put attention in the "app X crashed to me" part. Tell him to report a bug, report it yourself, and if you are developer maybe try to fix it. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." (George Bernard Shaw) From paul at lemmons.name Sat Jan 19 22:16:44 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:16:44 -0700 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <47926359.8080307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <478F88C9.5030401@lemmons.name> <47926359.8080307@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <479276CC.9030409@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Jan 19 22:24:34 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:24:34 -0500 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801192236.36233.edulix@gmail.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801191304.16732.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200801192236.36233.edulix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801191724.34758.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Saturday 19 January 2008, you wrote: > El Sábado 19 Enero 2008, Brendan escribió: > > > Just because it is using more ram doesn't mean that it is slower. > > I didn't say the contrary - I just said it used more ram, not that because > it uses more ram it's slower. The problem of course is that if you are > short of ram, you end up swapping. Just FYI, I didn't say the line you were quoting. > It's true and it's sad because KDE4 has a big potential and already has > very good things. Konqueror includes my Ctrl-z patch, which can undo closed > tabs. Try it! closed an open tab, and then you think "ouch, I want that > back!". Fine, press ctrl+z and there you have it ;-). Slick. I like that. Although, just as often, I paste in the wrong thing in a textbox, and then hit CNTL-Z to unpaste...That would interfere. I guess I'll have to pick one or the other. Reshortcutting to Shift-CNTL-Z might be better. > There has been some negative attention on KDE4, but rejecting constructive > criticism isn't going to help the project either. I don't think there has been a lot of that, honestly. It seems to come from people who haven't used it for more than 20 minutes. From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 22:39:41 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:39:41 -0500 Subject: transferring files between a Mac and Kubuntu Message-ID: <47927C2D.8060001@gmail.com> I've got my wife's Mac to connect to my Kubuntu 6.06 installation using ssh and the sshd server. On the Mac side I've been able to connect to Kubuntu using a program called Cyberduck. I'm wondering if it's safe to transfer files back and forth between the two. I know that until recently, we couldn't write safely to some Windows partitions. I did transfer a program both ways. Should I not do that again or is it ok? Thanks for any help you can give. Eric Jackson From edulix at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 22:42:58 2008 From: edulix at gmail.com (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:42:58 +0100 Subject: KDE4 just too slow In-Reply-To: <200801191724.34758.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <47911DE1.9010900@oem.doe.gov> <200801192236.36233.edulix@gmail.com> <200801191724.34758.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200801192342.58681.edulix@gmail.com> El Sábado 19 Enero 2008, Brendan escribió: > Just FYI, I didn't say the line you were quoting. I know ;-) > Slick. I like that. Although, just as often, I paste in the wrong thing in > a textbox, and then hit CNTL-Z to unpaste...That would interfere. I guess > I'll have to pick one or the other. Reshortcutting to Shift-CNTL-Z might be > better. Well you can always do it manually via the menu: Go > Closed Tabs. And it seems that you can assign a shortcut for the Last Closed Tab in Settings > Configure Shorcuts.. > > There has been some negative attention on KDE4, but rejecting > > constructive criticism isn't going to help the project either. > > I don't think there has been a lot of that, honestly. It seems to come from > people who haven't used it for more than 20 minutes. As I said, even from them you can get some good information. KDE 4.0.0 is there exactly for that - for being tested by everyone and get some feedback. Sometimes it's rude but it's better than nothing. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." (George Bernard Shaw) From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jan 19 23:04:35 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:04:35 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47928203.4040907@swbell.net> On 01/19/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > >On 18/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >>I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish > > > and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all > > > his life. Pretty good advice. > > That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I > understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in > the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those > two books (maybe I should start). Well, it's in someone "bible". :D From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 23:05:28 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:05:28 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47926537.9090108@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> On 19/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > >> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish > >> and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all > >> his life. Pretty good advice. > > That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I > > understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in > > the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those > > two books (maybe I should start). > > > > Dotan Cohen > Never too late :) Which English translation would be suggested? I cannot read Greek. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jan 19 23:09:00 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:09:00 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4792830C.3000202@swbell.net> On 01/19/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 18/01/2008, Tipton, Timothy wrote: > > > > >> > > Thank you, I'll start getting used to it. Coming from you and > your > >> > > extensive experience, I have no choice but to follow your > advice and > >> > > get used to reinstalling tens of operating systems twice a > year. > > > > > > Hello Pot, meet Kettle. > > > > > What is the meaning of that expression? I've never heard it. I'm not > offended, but I'm interested in knowing what it means. > > I should mention that I meant no offense to Billie. If offense was > taken (or suspected), then I apologize. > > Dotan Cohen It's an OLD saying sort of rephrased. The pot calling the kettle black. Refers to the black soot that collected on the pots and pans in the old wood burning days. I took no offense. I was sure non was intended. It would take a LOT more than something like that to offend me. I got a hide like a rhino. From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 23:09:11 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:09:11 -0500 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <200801191851.49839.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> <200801191321.32424.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801191851.49839.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801191509n67285905s24e260238757cdd6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/08, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Also I hope you are not trying the newest Ubuntu version, it is still > experimental and not recommended to newbes. For clarification: Hardy Heron (8.04) = still experimental and will be officially ready in April Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) = not experimental and was released in October 2007 (2007 = 7; October = 10; therefore 7.10) Sylviane is saying you should be using Gutsy Gibbon and not Hardy Heron. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 23:14:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:14:07 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4792830C.3000202@swbell.net> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4792830C.3000202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801191514i53c65377v1c787e714314e200@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > It's an OLD saying sort of rephrased. The pot calling the kettle black. > Refers to the black soot that collected on the pots and pans in the old > wood burning days. Still happens to me with one stubborn gas burner that's letting too much O2 in. I can't figure out how to tune the damn thing. > I took no offense. I was sure non was intended. It would take a LOT more > than something like that to offend me. I got a hide like a rhino. Ah, good then, I'll think of something _real_ offensive next time :) VI rules! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jan 19 23:40:13 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:40:13 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801191514i53c65377v1c787e714314e200@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4792830C.3000202@swbell.net> <880dece00801191514i53c65377v1c787e714314e200@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47928A5D.2000006@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> It's an OLD saying sort of rephrased. The pot calling the kettle black. >> Refers to the black soot that collected on the pots and pans in the old >> wood burning days. >> > > Still happens to me with one stubborn gas burner that's letting too > much O2 in. I can't figure out how to tune the damn thing. > > >> I took no offense. I was sure non was intended. It would take a LOT more >> than something like that to offend me. I got a hide like a rhino. >> > > Ah, good then, I'll think of something _real_ offensive next time :) VI rules! > > Dotan Cohen > Go for it. I'm ready. :D From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 23:48:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:48:48 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47928A5D.2000006@swbell.net> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B9603C39BC2@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> <880dece00801190912h57e3267arff905614d3186ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4792830C.3000202@swbell.net> <880dece00801191514i53c65377v1c787e714314e200@mail.gmail.com> <47928A5D.2000006@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801191548r7be0390em2db78d8c5daa2125@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Ah, good then, I'll think of something _real_ offensive next time :) VI rules! > > > > Go for it. I'm ready. :D > I could imagine this thread going XKCD real quick if we start that... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jriddell at ubuntu.com Sat Jan 19 23:53:46 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:53:46 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] 3.5 still the supported option Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080119235346.GK8500@muse.19inch.net> On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:01:10PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then > it is not suitable for everyday use. That is not the case. A KDE 4 CD will be available for early adopters but the KDE 3 CD will be the stable, commercially supported option and remains the default for upgrades. Jonathan From dgvirtual at akl.lt Sun Jan 20 00:53:56 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:53:56 +0200 Subject: what is wrong with my konqueror/kmail settings? In-Reply-To: <1523619.L1kE7ntGRU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801181138.04325.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <200801182339.06337.dgvirtual@akl.lt> <1523619.L1kE7ntGRU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801200253.57284.dgvirtual@akl.lt> On Saturday 19 January 2008 20:22:29 Derek Broughton rašė: > Donatas G. wrote: > > On Friday 18 January 2008 15:40:23 Derek Broughton rašė: > >> Donatas G. wrote: > >> > On Friday 18 January 2008 13:16:06 Daniel Pittman rašė: > >> >> "Donatas G." writes: > >> >> > when I click a link with a deb, like this one, in my mail (kmail) > >> >> > window: > >> >> > http://rkward.sourceforge.net/temp/rkward_0.4.9gutsy1-1_i386.deb > >> >> > > >> >> > I get the binary file opened within Konqueror window with this > > ... > > > Should I check file associations to troubleshoot? I have gdebi-kde > > installed, and *.deb is associated with: gdebi, then - ark, then - > > karchiver, and the embedding options are: "use settings for > > 'applications' group" (other options are: "show file in embedded viewer" > > and "show file in separate viewer") and the checkbox "ask whether to save > > to disk instead" is also checked. > > Mine is set to: Gdebi only (I doubt that matters, as long as GDebi is > first) and "Show file in separate viewer", so I guess that's the issue. I > would think "embedded viewer" only works if there's actually an embeddable > kpart for the application. Changing it to „show file in separate viewer“ did not help... It still opens the file in konqueror... -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 20 01:30:32 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:30:32 +0000 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <479276CC.9030409@lemmons.name> References: <478F88C9.5030401@lemmons.name> <47926359.8080307@tiscali.co.uk> <479276CC.9030409@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4792A438.8060707@tiscali.co.uk> Paul Lemmons wrote: > For it to "spider" through, it will open the initial page (usually > index.html, index.php or default.htm) and then follow the links to new > pages and then follow their links and so on and so forth until it has > the site. > > If you want to create a complete backup, including files that are not > linked to, you will want to use the ftp protocol instead of http. > > wget -rc ftp://userid:password at www.your-site.com > > wget --help gives you some help remembering the options. "man wget" gives you a lot more detail.Googling will turn up lots of examples. > I decided to try it anyway before I got your answer. wget -rc with the http protocol downloads the index.html and the robots.txt files... It doesn't go on from there. since you suggested using the ftp protocol, I tried again. It doesn't even find the site... can't change to the directory. Let me explain what I want to do. There is an archived copy of a website that is no longer there at web.archive.org. I want to retrieve the data from that site. I can go through it, page by page, and save as I go. But I thought that seemed a bit long-winded when wget could grab the lot in one command. (I also tried it on a live site and got the same results.) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 02:25:08 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:25:08 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 19/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > > >> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish > > >> and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all > > >> his life. Pretty good advice. > > > That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I > > > understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in > > > the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those > > > two books (maybe I should start). > > > > > > Dotan Cohen > > Never too late :) > > Which English translation would be suggested? I cannot read Greek. > > Dotan Cohen Translation!? I thought God spoke English. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 20 05:20:22 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:20:22 +1100 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <4792DA16.60006@optusnet.com.au> Wulfy wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in >> System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I >> select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this >> function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www >> address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't >> find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. >> Can someone help me break out of this cycle? >> >> Clark. >> >> >> > Type "about:config" into FF's address bar. > > Search for: > > network.protocol-handler.app.mailto > > It's a string... set it to your mail apps name [mine says "thunderbird"] > > Below it is: > > network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto > > Boolean. set to "true". > > All without the quotes, of course. > > HTH > > Thanks Wulf, A question or two about your advice above. 1. I got into "about:config ok but can't find any trace of network.protocol-handler.app.mailto Where is it? 2. I found the line "network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto" and it is set to "false" do I just select the line with the mouse LC and select toggle? or 3 below. 3. Do I have to enter a text editor and if so how. Clark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 06:30:18 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:18 +0200 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <4792A438.8060707@tiscali.co.uk> References: <479276CC.9030409@lemmons.name> <4792A438.8060707@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801200830.19126.donn.ingle@gmail.com> There is a gui that does this. It has a name so abysmal that I can't recall it... I used this scripts once a few years ago to fetch a website. It gets two parameters: url level The level is how far down a chain of links it should go. You could just replace the vars and run the command directly. === #!/bin/bash #Try to make using wget easier than it bloody is. url=$1 if [ -z $url ]; then (echo "Bad url"; exit 1); fi LEV=$2 if [ -z $LEV ]; then LEV="2" fi echo "running: wget --convert-links -r -l$LEV $url -o log" wget --convert-links -r -l$LEV "$url" -o log === man wget is the best plan really. \d -- Gee, what a terrific party. Later on we'll get some fluid and embalm each other. -- Neil Simon Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 06:31:56 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:31:56 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801191548r7be0390em2db78d8c5daa2125@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <47928A5D.2000006@swbell.net> <880dece00801191548r7be0390em2db78d8c5daa2125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801200831.56789.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 20 January 2008 01:48:48 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I could imagine this thread going XKCD I wonder if you have just invented a new expression in the languages of the world? Only geeks will get it, but man do I love that strip :) \d -- A man is accepted into church for what he believes--and turned out for what he knows. -- Mark Twain Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Jan 20 07:28:38 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:28:38 +0200 Subject: How do I flush swap? Message-ID: <4792F826.1060007@rmk.co.il> I was doing some printing on my Feisty box through KDE and chose to 'Preview' the print job first. The first print job was OK but when I tried another one (again with 'Preview') suddenly the computer went real sluggish and even the mouse pointer would move erratically. After about a minute the print job started and the memory usage (I have 1GB) went back from using everything, including quite a bit of my swap file, to normal. Q. How do I flush/clear the swap file which is still showing a chunk in use? nigel at nigels:~$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1035776 878456 157320 0 136148 503312 -/+ buffers/cache: 238996 796780 Swap: 522072 158004 364068 nigel at nigels:~$ Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 20 07:29:19 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:29:19 +0000 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <4792DA16.60006@optusnet.com.au> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> <4792DA16.60006@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4792F84F.6040507@tiscali.co.uk> Clark wrote: > Thanks Wulf, > > > A question or two about your advice above. > 1. I got into "about:config ok but can't find any trace of > network.protocol-handler.app.mailto > > Where is it? > > 2. I found the line "network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto" and it is set to "false" do I just select the line with the mouse LC and select toggle? or 3 below. > > 3. Do I have to enter a text editor and if so how. > > Clark. > > If the .app. line isn't there, create it. Right click on any of the lines there and choose "New..." String. You'll be asked for a name and a value... then change the .expose. line to true (right click and choose "toggle"). -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From jofriends1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 07:36:56 2008 From: jofriends1 at gmail.com (John Jeleaskov) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:36:56 +0200 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <325262320801192336v61709fbdw6f78aec5273d9fc2@mail.gmail.com> Kubuntu don't have right to play mp3, mpeg4 and dvd(mpeg2), but if you find decoder your amarok and kofein will play staf like that. Now i try to find them, because i have the same problem. When i will find i will send them to you via mail. ok. PS: when i used SLAX i don't have this problems, because slax distribution fack that rights... On 1/19/08, javed aslam wrote: > > i mailed u regarding the state my laptop is.. after installing the kubuntu > my vista was in detectable.. the files were there were booting failed .. now > i have deleted it.. and trying to re install it.. but i dont know how to. > please tell me the procedure... i connect to net via my mobile but my p[c > suite is not working in kubuntu.. i cant plkay music saying that my codec > package is out of date,, but when i use the live cd i am able to do so but > after installing it does noty work.. what the hell is haapening. some one > pls help me on this .. i am very new to all this ubuntu and stuff and wish > to learn it and be a part of this community. i guess i need ur help. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jofriends1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 07:55:38 2008 From: jofriends1 at gmail.com (John Jeleaskov) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:55:38 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801162151.31854.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <200801162151.31854.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325262320801192355w67abed5dp69c6a0c87f70a46f@mail.gmail.com> I fink you right about kde 4. When i try it i have a feeling that i am on windows OS. KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4. Now i back too kde 3.5.8 On 1/17/08, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:37:25 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 17/01/2008, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > > So Let me ask ya' > > > All the things folks are complaining about in KDE 4 in Gutsy, are they > > > as "non-functional" in Hardy? > > > a. can't resize Panels (where the Kmenu is if its not called a > > > "panel" any more). > > > b. Can't select multiple objects on the desktop without moving > > > the background. > > > c. unstable. > > > d. can't alter widgets (?) from plasma. > > > e. can't configure Mouse buttons (like for a lefty or just to > > > alter what the 3rd button does). > > > f. can't run Pidgin. > > > > > > My main concern is running Gnome apps generally, as Pidgin and Gnucash > > > are quite important around here. > > > > Those are KDE 4.0 issues, not Ubuntu issues. And _not_ KDE4 issues > > (KDE 4.0 is not KDE4). > > > > Uh, right. > > That doesn't answer my question. I'm assuming that if his experience > was "pleasurable" then some of those issues were KDE 4.0 on gutsy issues, > or > running as a side desktop issue, or something. Either way, if they are > not > problems on Hardy, then there's hope. > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 20 08:15:25 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:15:25 +0000 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <200801200830.19126.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <479276CC.9030409@lemmons.name> <4792A438.8060707@tiscali.co.uk> <200801200830.19126.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4793031D.5080809@tiscali.co.uk> [I sent this to Donn's private e-mail by mistake.. sorry Donn.] Donn wrote: > There is a gui that does this. It has a name so abysmal that I can't recall > it... > > I used this scripts once a few years ago to fetch a website. > It gets two parameters: url level > The level is how far down a chain of links it should go. > You could just replace the vars and run the command directly. > === > > #!/bin/bash > #Try to make using wget easier than it bloody is. > url=$1 > if [ -z $url ]; then (echo "Bad url"; exit 1); fi > LEV=$2 > if [ -z $LEV ]; then > LEV="2" > fi > > echo "running: wget --convert-links -r -l$LEV $url -o log" > wget --convert-links -r -l$LEV "$url" -o log > > === > > man wget is the best plan really. > > > \d > > I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get wget to get more than the top layer of the site. The archive.org site just brings in index.html (and robots.txt). I tried it on another site and it brought in the two versions of the main page (dialup and high speed) but the menu links weren't followed. I tried -l5 and -15 and got the same download. Any idea why the -r isn't recursing? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 08:31:57 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:31:57 +0200 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <4793031D.5080809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801200830.19126.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4793031D.5080809@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801201031.57585.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get wget to get I know the feeling ;) Send me the url and I'll give it a go too. \d -- "Atheists are free to admit the limits of human understanding in a way that religious people are not." -- Sam Harris Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 20 08:40:38 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:40:38 +0000 Subject: Site Spider In-Reply-To: <200801201031.57585.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801200830.19126.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4793031D.5080809@tiscali.co.uk> <200801201031.57585.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47930906.3030603@tiscali.co.uk> Donn wrote: >> I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get wget to get >> > I know the feeling ;) Send me the url and I'll give it a go too. > > \d > > > URL sent privately... Thanks for your help, Donn. :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 20 08:36:14 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:36:14 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479307FE.2040903@free.fr> read NT in any translation... They are all good :) because those who did it did it with spirit of love ... I am an old christians who came back to catoliscim when seeing this world :) Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 19/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > >>>> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish >>>> and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all >>>> his life. Pretty good advice. >>>> >>> That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I >>> understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in >>> the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those >>> two books (maybe I should start). >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> > > Never too late :) > > Which English translation would be suggested? I cannot read Greek. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > From jofriends1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 08:55:23 2008 From: jofriends1 at gmail.com (John Jeleaskov) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:55:23 +0200 Subject: Sharing Firefox profiles between Windows and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200801182216.59636.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801182216.59636.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325262320801200055u48bef157n322f3f172f9e23e@mail.gmail.com> You can't import firefox profiles because linux fink that are windows files and application On 1/19/08, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Hello, all! > > I am trying to share Firefox profiles between Gutsy and XP Pro and have > created a separate FAT32 partition that both OSs can see. > > I have googled and searched the archives and found three sets of > directions. > None worked. It is not my box, and I think it possible that the owner has > done something weird and wonderful to his XP installation. > > Be that as it may, the files I was supposed to be moving/linking to in XP > were > simply not where the directions said that they would be. In fact, the > folders they were said to be in did not exist. I did use "find" and moved > the Profiles file that was all I could find, but that had no effect at > all. > It didn't even break anything, in spite of the absence of links. > > Has anyone actually done this recently? If so, how? > > Failing that, how do I transfer Firefox profiles from XP to > Gutsy? "Import" > does not offer browse as an option, merely tells me that it can't find any > IE > files :-( . > > TIA > Lisi > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 20 08:47:47 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:47 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47930AB3.7060501@free.fr> Read Gandhy about english :) he didn' t say that... lol Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On 1/19/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On 19/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >> >>>>> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish >>>>> and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat all >>>>> his life. Pretty good advice. >>>>> >>>> That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I >>>> understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in >>>> the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those >>>> two books (maybe I should start). >>>> >>>> Dotan Cohen >>>> >> > Never too late :) >> >> Which English translation would be suggested? I cannot read Greek. >> >> Dotan Cohen >> > > Translation!? I thought God spoke English. > > Andrew > > From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jan 20 09:19:27 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:19:27 +0100 Subject: How do I flush swap? In-Reply-To: <4792F826.1060007@rmk.co.il> References: <4792F826.1060007@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801201019.27679.kassube@gmx.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Q. How do I flush/clear the swap file which is still showing a chunk in > use? Is there a reason why you want to flush the swap space? If something is loaded into memory but not in use, there is no problem to have it kept in the swap space. If you would get it back into memory now and need some more memory for applications later, the kernel will possibly save the same part of the memory in the swap space. That would cost more disk activity overall. Anyway, if you think it is a good idea, you can always turn off swap with the command sudo swapoff -a and after that turn it on again with this command: sudo swapon -a Nils From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Jan 20 09:41:35 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:41:35 +0000 Subject: OT: Tux In Another Guise Message-ID: I know all Linux supporters think Tux is cool....but I came across this story which puts another spin on it: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4349183a4560.html Apparently The Beige Brigade (sounds to me like and underground revolutionary group - after all, they are cricket supporters) want to adopt him. Shall we lend our voices? -- Graham Todd From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:00:31 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:00:31 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > The quote about teaching a man to fish isn't from either Testament, so > not Biblical, but pretty insightful nonetheless. If you'd like to read > Second Testament, permit me to suggest New Revised Standard. It is > clear, and based on the better witnesses. The Authorized Version is > based on Textus Receptus which is, in turn, based on a much smaller and > less complete list of witnesses. Thanks, I found it here: http://www.devotions.net/bible/00bible.htm I'll browse around and read what I can between studies. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:19:19 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:19:19 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Thanks, I found it here: > http://www.devotions.net/bible/00bible.htm > I'll browse around and read what I can between studies. Just don't believe any of it :D \d -- He's completely unspoiled by failure. -- Noel Coward Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:30:24 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:30:24 +0200 Subject: OT: Tux In Another Guise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801201230.24308.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4349183a4560.html If the ladies don't like that dashing beige then they're missing out :) \d -- He can't help it - he was born with a silver foot in his mouth. -- Ann Richards (about George Bush) Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:24:58 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:24:58 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > Thanks, I found it here: > > http://www.devotions.net/bible/00bible.htm > > I'll browse around and read what I can between studies. > Just don't believe any of it :D Being Jewish, I'm reading it to broaden my knowledge. My faith is rather secure. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:43:13 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:43:13 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 11:24 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > > Thanks, I found it here: > > > http://www.devotions.net/bible/00bible.htm > > > I'll browse around and read what I can between studies. > > Just don't believe any of it :D > > Being Jewish, I'm reading it to broaden my knowledge. My faith is rather secure. > > Dotan Cohen If that is the case then the first thing you need to read is a history of bible rewrites and translations. Some translations were done by different people for different reason and I feel that it is important to know those reasons. I wish I could recommend something but being a Zen Buddhist, I can't maybe start with wikipedia, it looks good? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible Douglas E Knapp From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:58:43 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:58:43 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801201258.43568.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Being Jewish, I'm reading it to broaden my knowledge. My faith is rather > secure. If you want to challenge yourself, read some Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Chris Hitchens. The best of all is Daniel Dennet. Steven Pinker is good too, I am reading "How the mind works" at the moment. Startling stuff indeed. \d -- "A computer without Windows is like chocolate cake without mustard." -- Anonymous Coward /. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:51:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:51:10 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801200251h451f467evce2d1341bb856745@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Knapp wrote: > > Being Jewish, I'm reading it to broaden my knowledge. My faith is rather secure. > > > If that is the case then the first thing you need to read is a history > of bible rewrites and translations. Some translations were done by > different people for different reason and I feel that it is important > to know those reasons. I wish I could recommend something but being a > Zen Buddhist, I can't maybe start with wikipedia, it looks good? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible Thanks. On a surface level I am aware of the differences, that is why I asked about a recommended translation. And I have read the wikipedia article! Good suggestion, though. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:52:21 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:52:21 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801201258.43568.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801201219.19301.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> <200801201258.43568.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801200252n1b8957e1o1283a4340ba04ed@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > Being Jewish, I'm reading it to broaden my knowledge. My faith is rather > > secure. > If you want to challenge yourself, read some Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and > Chris Hitchens. The best of all is Daniel Dennet. Steven Pinker is good too, > I am reading "How the mind works" at the moment. Startling stuff indeed. > > \d > I'll have to add Stephen Hawkings to that list, for A Brief History of Time and other assorted works (mostly lectures) aimed at the layman. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From sonoftheclayr at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 11:34:18 2008 From: sonoftheclayr at gmail.com (Luke Knowles) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:34:18 +1100 Subject: kde4 theme ? In-Reply-To: <478EFC72.9060006@free.fr> References: <478EFC72.9060006@free.fr> Message-ID: On 1/17/08, Girard Henri wrote: > > does anyone know where they are some kde4 themes ? > i think they shouldn't have put back all these horrible themes from kdexx > oxygen is not too bad it's the one i prefer, but I like to change > sometimes and i don't want to add compiz+fusion as there is a nativ > "like" in kde4 ? There are some KDE 4 themes at http://kde-look.org/ -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- http://sonoftheclayr.info/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 13:20:35 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:20:35 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <47930AB3.7060501@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> <47930AB3.7060501@free.fr> Message-ID: <200801200820.35163.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 20 January 2008 03:47:47 girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > Read Gandhy about english :) > he didn' t say that... lol > > Andrew Jarrett wrote: > > On 1/19/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On 19/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > >>>>> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a fish > >>>>> and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will eat > >>>>> all his life. Pretty good advice. > >>>> > >>>> That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I > >>>> understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in > >>>> the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those > >>>> two books (maybe I should start). > >>>> > >>>> Dotan Cohen > >>>> > >> > Never too late :) > >> > >> Which English translation would be suggested? I cannot read Greek. > >> > >> Dotan Cohen > > > > Translation!? I thought God spoke English. > > > > Andrew I am sure God speaks English and all others as well. :) NASB is an excellent translation. And, if you read Greek, it would have to be Koine Greek which was that used to write the New Testament. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 14:29:22 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:29:22 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801200820.35163.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> <47930AB3.7060501@free.fr> <200801200820.35163.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801200629v4366b140ib01aeba5936c45ec@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, Jesus Arocho wrote: > I am sure God speaks English and all others as well. :) I would imagine so, however, I would not expect even of him perfect spelling in that language. Unless, of course, he uses Aspell. I will hope to end this wildly most off topic of threads with a simple request. If anyone knows of a mailing list or forum where one might ask questions regarding the New Testament in particular but also the Koran and Old Testament, I'd like to know about it. From my own faith, I've learned that the studied clergyman is the last place to go for a answer about inconsistencies or obvious inaccuracies. No flames, please, but I'd like to ask questions in an environment more suited to the topic. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 14:30:31 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:30:31 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <325262320801192355w67abed5dp69c6a0c87f70a46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801161724.52523.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <880dece00801161937s161c0564p8f4308fca89d8287@mail.gmail.com> <200801162151.31854.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <325262320801192355w67abed5dp69c6a0c87f70a46f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801200630v131551e0s422135de7cec6f10@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, John Jeleaskov wrote: > I fink you right about kde 4. When i try it i have a feeling that i am on > windows OS. I'm afraid that was exactly the intention. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From eprosoft at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 14:40:54 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:40:54 -0300 Subject: KDE 4 Message-ID: <200801201140.55266.eprosoft@gmail.com> Folks Really I wating for some new, not somthing same WinVista, that's Stinks. -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. 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From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sun Jan 20 15:28:27 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:28:27 +0100 Subject: VMware Workstation6 slow as heck on kubuntu 7.04 Message-ID: <200801201628.27634.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Machine: AthlonXP 3200+ @2.2GHz, 1GB RAM, nForce2 mobo. Operating systems: -Kubuntu 7.04 with 2.6.22 kernel backported from gutsy, X on free r300 -debian 4.0r2, kernel 2.6.18-k7, X on free r300 -Slackware 11, kernel 2.6.17.9 custom, X on ATi fglrx VMware6 installed on all 3 OSses, all can access the same VMs, I used the same WinXP on a 384MB RAM VM on all three environments, latest VMtools installed. Results: Slackware performs blazing fast, restoring the suspended XP takes 1 or 2 seconds before Windows responds, about 15-30 seconds before the VM is fully restored. Suspend happens instantaneous, less than a second. Can switch between VMware and other apps with neglectible performance impact. Debian: similar, resume takes a little longer, up to about a minute, then everything is smooth, suspend instantaneous as on Slackware. Can switch between VMware and other apps with neglectible performance impact as on Slack. Kaffeine, Opera with Java, Google Earth all running, all fine, video encoder running in the VM. Kubuntu: VMware complains that /dev/rtc is not available because it is used by anothe application. lsof shows nothing accessing rtc. Hints on VMware site unuseful: this cpu doesn't even have throttling. Resuming the suspended WinXP VM takes between 4 and 5 minutes (!!). The system performs afterwards as if it was runnign on 256MB and with L2 cache diabled. Working impossible. Suspending the VM takes about 20-30 seconds. Useful hints on where to investigate most welcome. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sun Jan 20 15:31:29 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:31:29 +0100 Subject: VMware Workstation6 slow as heck on kubuntu 7.04 - addendum In-Reply-To: <200801201628.27634.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200801201628.27634.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200801201631.29384.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Before someone asks: Kubuntu/VMware behaved the same when I still used the stock 2.6.20 kernel on Feisty. The 2.6.22 was backported "for real", make-kpkg and all. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From nepal.roade at virgin.net Sun Jan 20 16:21:56 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:21:56 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801201621.56829.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Sunday 20 January 2008, Knapp wrote: > If that is the case then the first thing you need to read > is a history of bible rewrites and translations. Some > translations were done by different people for different > reason and I feel that it is important to know those > reasons. I wish I could recommend something but being a > Zen Buddhist, I can't maybe start with wikipedia, it > looks good? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible > Douglas E Knapp there is this; http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/NewTestament.html nepal. From jofriends1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 16:52:25 2008 From: jofriends1 at gmail.com (John Jeleaskov) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:52:25 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> <4792B4CB.8050307@gmail.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> I finck New Revised Standard Bible is not the ideal Bible, because that version have same mistakes... On 1/20/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 20/01/2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > > The quote about teaching a man to fish isn't from either Testament, so > > not Biblical, but pretty insightful nonetheless. If you'd like to read > > Second Testament, permit me to suggest New Revised Standard. It is > > clear, and based on the better witnesses. The Authorized Version is > > based on Textus Receptus which is, in turn, based on a much smaller and > > less complete list of witnesses. > > Thanks, I found it here: > http://www.devotions.net/bible/00bible.htm > I'll browse around and read what I can between studies. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jofriends1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 17:10:07 2008 From: jofriends1 at gmail.com (John Jeleaskov) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:10:07 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801201621.56829.nepal.roade@virgin.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> <200801201621.56829.nepal.roade@virgin.net> Message-ID: <325262320801200910s6db2a66fh29e984b3fb60e403@mail.gmail.com> Try too read "New World Translation" this Bible very exatly perform the biblical terms, and win competition for exactity... On 1/20/08, nepal wrote: > > On Sunday 20 January 2008, Knapp wrote: > > If that is the case then the first thing you need to read > > is a history of bible rewrites and translations. Some > > translations were done by different people for different > > reason and I feel that it is important to know those > > reasons. I wish I could recommend something but being a > > Zen Buddhist, I can't maybe start with wikipedia, it > > looks good? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible > > Douglas E Knapp > > there is this; > > http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/NewTestament.html > > nepal. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 17:23:30 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:23:30 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <325262320801200910s6db2a66fh29e984b3fb60e403@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> <200801201621.56829.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <325262320801200910s6db2a66fh29e984b3fb60e403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801200923r4864a2cbj32db1862ea2afca5@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, John Jeleaskov wrote: > Try too read "New World Translation" this Bible very exatly perform the > biblical terms, and win competition for exactity... Thanks, I forgot about that. While I've never met any Jehovah's Witnesses, their fundamental (not extremist) views are very similar to my own and I had once resigned myself to reading their version of the New Testament. I know that many Americans dislike the Jehovah's Witness because of their door-knocking, however, I've never fell victim to it! The first few pages of their Old Testament seem very faithful to the original Hebrew, as I've read here: http://www.watchtower.org/bible/index.htm However, I find the New World Translation more cryptic that the New Revised Standard edition, which seems to make a point of using modern, everyday words. That is important to me. I'll not give any more opinions on list, but if someone is interested then they can contact me privately and I will give my views. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 18:00:42 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:00:42 -0500 Subject: Sharing Firefox profiles between Windows and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <325262320801200055u48bef157n322f3f172f9e23e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801182216.59636.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <325262320801200055u48bef157n322f3f172f9e23e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801201000xb61bcd7kd77a5735550104dd@mail.gmail.com> Don"t know about whole profile but to get book marks ther is a bookmark and other vital parts of firebox utility that is the same in windows and Linux for got its name have the plug in save to flash drive then using the same program in linux do a restore and bookmarks etc. are restored to your Linux firebox. On Jan 20, 2008 3:55 AM, John Jeleaskov wrote: > You can't import firefox profiles because linux fink that are windows > files and application > > > On 1/19/08, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > Hello, all! > > > > I am trying to share Firefox profiles between Gutsy and XP Pro and have > > created a separate FAT32 partition that both OSs can see. > > > > I have googled and searched the archives and found three sets of > > directions. > > None worked. It is not my box, and I think it possible that the owner > > has > > done something weird and wonderful to his XP installation. > > > > Be that as it may, the files I was supposed to be moving/linking to in > > XP were > > simply not where the directions said that they would be. In fact, the > > folders they were said to be in did not exist. I did use "find" and > > moved > > the Profiles file that was all I could find, but that had no effect at > > all. > > It didn't even break anything, in spite of the absence of links. > > > > Has anyone actually done this recently? If so, how? > > > > Failing that, how do I transfer Firefox profiles from XP to > > Gutsy? "Import" > > does not offer browse as an option, merely tells me that it can't find > > any IE > > files :-( . > > > > TIA > > Lisi > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 18:10:27 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:10:27 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 20 January 2008 11:52:25 John Jeleaskov wrote: > I finck New Revised Standard Bible is not the ideal Bible, because that > version have same mistakes... > > On 1/20/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 20/01/2008, Stew Schneider wrote: > > > The quote about teaching a man to fish isn't from either Testament, so > > > not Biblical, but pretty insightful nonetheless. If you'd like to read > > > Second Testament, permit me to suggest New Revised Standard. It is > > > clear, and based on the better witnesses. The Authorized Version is > > > based on Textus Receptus which is, in turn, based on a much smaller and > > > less complete list of witnesses. > > > > Thanks, I found it here: > > http://www.devotions.net/bible/00bible.htm > > I'll browse around and read what I can between studies. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > http://what-is-what.com > > http://gibberish.co.il > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Please send a list of the mistakes. From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 18:17:39 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:17:39 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801200629v4366b140ib01aeba5936c45ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801200820.35163.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <880dece00801200629v4366b140ib01aeba5936c45ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801201317.39671.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 20 January 2008 09:29:22 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, Jesus Arocho wrote: > > I am sure God speaks English and all others as well. :) > > I would imagine so, however, I would not expect even of him perfect > spelling in that language. Unless, of course, he uses Aspell. > > I will hope to end this wildly most off topic of threads with a simple > request. If anyone knows of a mailing list or forum where one might > ask questions regarding the New Testament in particular but also the > Koran and Old Testament, I'd like to know about it. From my own faith, > I've learned that the studied clergyman is the last place to go for a > answer about inconsistencies or obvious inaccuracies. No flames, > please, but I'd like to ask questions in an environment more suited to > the topic. Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? An excellent list for ancient greek, both Attic and Koine, you can visit; B-Greek The list is managed by a retired Greek scholar. Although much of the content concerns the New Testament, this not overbearingly so. Many of the discussions concern other ancient manuscripts. If the topic goes into the realm of the theological and out of the scope of the grammar and vocabulary, the moderator will intervene. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 18:33:35 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:33:35 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200801202033.35909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > I finck New Revised Standard Bible is not the ideal Bible, because that > > version have same mistakes... > Please send a list of the mistakes. Genesis through Revelations, I should think :) \d -- "Thus the creationist's favourite question "What is the use of half an eye?" Actually, this is a lightweight question, a doddle to answer. Half an eye is just 1 per cent better than 49 per cent of an eye..." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jan 20 18:55:14 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:55:14 -0600 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" Message-ID: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Probably going to make a few enemies here. First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. The Bible is very much a work of man. Different books were chosen for inclusion or exclusion by how certain people felt they were relevant. Second. The Old Testament is a translation of the Tora, sort of. Some things were left out and a few things were put in. The earliest books were handed down word of mouth for many generations before they were actually written down. Sometimes stories change as they are passed on. The whole thing is basically a history of the Israelites. Third. No part of the New Testament was written during, or immediately after, the life of Jesus. The oldest books were written down about eighty years after his death. Here again stories were passed down word of mouth. None of the writers had first hand knowledge of what they were writing. Many "stories" were chosen to not be included because certain people felt they did not portray Jesus in as favorable a light [ within their own belief - like the possibility that Jesus was married to Mary ] as they should. The Bible is written in "parables". Stories that tell something. Taking a "verse" out of the parable destroys the meaning of the verse. The entire parable must be read to gain the meaning of the parable. The best way to read, and understand, the "New Testament" is in the original Greek. Many meanings are lost in the translation to other languages. For instance - I forget how many right the top of my head but, Greek has/had MANY different words for "love". Each denoting the exact relationship with the person involved [ a father for his son, a man for his wife, a sister for her brother, etc. ]. ALL these words basically translate into "love" in most other languages but the relationship is lost in such a simple translation. Virtually none of the things written in The Bible are "new". Almost every idea held therein can be found in an earlier belief system. A good understanding of history is very important. From rscrawford at mossroot.com Sun Jan 20 19:08:35 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:08:35 -0800 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Sunday 20 January 2008 10:55:14 Billie Walsh wrote: > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. > The Bible is very much a work of man. Different books were chosen for > inclusion or exclusion by how certain people felt they were relevant. ...etc... I think the most pertinent question here is, "What does the Bible say about Linux and Kubuntu?" The answer is found in the last chapter of Exodus, wherein we find the following: And behold, Erijabahanibar did speak unto the Israelites and he did give unto them a new commandment which was that thou shalt not talk about thy gods in an electronic mailing list dedicated to open source technologies, unless thy god be Linux Torvalds, Mark Shuttleworth.... and so on. Ramen. (Exodus 45:1-3, 9 - FSMV) Powerful words, and still applicable even today, whatever your faith. -- Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 19:44:15 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:44:15 +0200 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <200801202144.15719.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Powerful words, and still applicable even today, whatever your faith. Lol and Ramen. It'll start a flame thread that will make the KDE 4 one look like /dev/null \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 19:37:30 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:37:30 -0500 Subject: KDE 4 In-Reply-To: <200801201140.55266.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <200801201140.55266.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801201137k68edad1aqb190f9fd19dab6bf@mail.gmail.com> On 1/20/08, Eduardo P. Román O. wrote: > Folks > > Really I wating for some new, not somthing same WinVista, that's Stinks. Are you unable to customize KDE4 to your satisfaction? I haven't had time to play around with KDE4 yet, but it seems like you should be able to customize pretty much everything just like in KDE3. Unless they haven't implemented all of the customization stuff yet... Andrew P.S. It is impossible for developers to develop a default theme that pleases everyone. Either you should spend some time customizing it to your liking or you should find a different window manager that has a default theme that suits you better. -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 20 16:10:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478DEC24.4060303@gmail.com> <478E3000.6010407@swbell.net> <880dece00801161931r7f69a717lca22a09c6819903@mail.gmail.com> <478F6945.9050506@swbell.net> <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4790D5E5.7020101@swbell.net> <880dece00801190909m213185cbm4f07c5965805dc3d@mail.gmail.com> <47926537.9090108@free.fr> <880dece00801191505v50d45e6dp24611f27f620798f@mail.gmail.com> <9bed467e0801191825t2f849cd7va76d4ef0eee65053@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2578297.K7IrPRdTfa@cedar.serverforest.com> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On 1/19/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> On 19/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >> > >> I know your feelings but, in the Bible it says that give a man a >> > >> fish and he will eat for a day. But teach a man to fish and he will >> > >> eat all his life. Pretty good advice. >> > > That is good advice, but it is not in the Bible so far as I know. I >> > > understand that to be a Lau Tzu quote. It may have been rephrased in >> > > the New Testament or Koran, though, as I am not familiar with those >> > > two books (maybe I should start). It may in fact be originally from Lao Tse, it is definitely _not_ in the Old or New Testaments. It was adopted as the slogan of an Oxfam campaign in the '60s or '70s, and still appears to be the core of their mission statement. -- derek From ubuntu at metron.com Sun Jan 20 20:08:21 2008 From: ubuntu at metron.com (Lou Katz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:08:21 -0800 Subject: wget problem Message-ID: <20080120200634.M40007@iefbr14.com> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 08:15:25AM +0000, Wulfy wrote: > [I sent this to Donn's private e-mail by mistake.. sorry Donn.] > > Donn wrote: > > There is a gui that does this. It has a name so abysmal that I can't recall > > it... > > > > I used this scripts once a few years ago to fetch a website. > > It gets two parameters: url level > > The level is how far down a chain of links it should go. > > You could just replace the vars and run the command directly. > > === > > > > #!/bin/bash > > #Try to make using wget easier than it bloody is. > > url=$1 > > if [ -z $url ]; then (echo "Bad url"; exit 1); fi > > LEV=$2 > > if [ -z $LEV ]; then > > LEV="2" > > fi > > > > echo "running: wget --convert-links -r -l$LEV $url -o log" > > wget --convert-links -r -l$LEV "$url" -o log > > > > === > > > > man wget is the best plan really. > > > > > > \d > > > > > I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get wget to get > more than the top layer of the site. The archive.org site just brings > in index.html (and robots.txt). I tried it on another site and it > brought in the two versions of the main page (dialup and high speed) but > the menu links weren't followed. I tried -l5 and -15 and got the same > download. > > Any idea why the -r isn't recursing? Have you used the underdocumented option to ignore robots.txt? put robots = off in your .wgetrc, or use -erobots=off on the command line. > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- -=[L]=- South Hampstead. -- WebMail Services from Metron Computerware (http://www.metron.com) From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 20:40:07 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:40:07 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: ROFL On Jan 20, 2008 2:08 PM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > On Sunday 20 January 2008 10:55:14 Billie Walsh wrote: > > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > > by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. > > The Bible is very much a work of man. Different books were chosen for > > inclusion or exclusion by how certain people felt they were relevant. > > ...etc... > > I think the most pertinent question here is, "What does the Bible say > about > Linux and Kubuntu?" > > The answer is found in the last chapter of Exodus, wherein we find the > following: > > And behold, Erijabahanibar did speak unto the Israelites and he did give > unto > them a new commandment which was that thou shalt not talk about thy gods > in > an electronic mailing list dedicated to open source technologies, unless > thy > god be Linux Torvalds, Mark Shuttleworth.... and so on. Ramen. (Exodus > 45:1-3, 9 - FSMV) > > Powerful words, and still applicable even today, whatever your faith. > > > > -- > Richard S. Crawford > Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- "Google HR wants to hire the smartest people still dumb enough to be working for somebody else." - Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sun Jan 20 21:05:19 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (ronw at paradise.net.nz) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:05:19 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> What is really interesting is that I now understand the discussion about top/bottom posting so much better. I recently acquired a Blackberry but it applies to any mail enabled hadheld device. Bottom posting is so annoying. The recent emails on religion (yes I know they are not relevant to this group) but the majority were bottom posted and it is a real pain to get to the relevant detail of each message when you have to first have to wade through heaps of >>>>> lines of stuff that you read earlier to get to the crux of message. I can now understand why so many people are so vociferous about how silly bottom posting is. One of the list members even has a tag line extolling the virtures of bottom posting. Give a reader some credit for intelligence and allow that what most people want is the message. If they are lost and want to know what triggered the message they can read back by subject. And before everyone dives in and blames my method of reading mail I think hand held devices are the way of the future. Lets all switch to top posting - Ron Wilson From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:19:39 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:19:39 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > What is really interesting is that I now understand the discussion about > top/bottom posting so much better. I recently acquired a Blackberry but it > applies to any mail enabled hadheld device. > Bottom posting is so annoying. The recent emails on religion (yes I know they > are not relevant to this group) but the majority were bottom posted and it is a > real pain to get to the relevant detail of each message when you have to first > have to wade through heaps of >>>>> lines of stuff that you read earlier to get > to the crux of message. > I can now understand why so many people are so vociferous about how silly bottom > posting is. One of the list members even has a tag line extolling the virtures > of bottom posting. > Give a reader some credit for intelligence and allow that what most people want > is the message. If they are lost and want to know what triggered the message > they can read back by subject. > And before everyone dives in and blames my method of reading mail I think hand > held devices are the way of the future. > Lets all switch to top posting There is already another thread on the topic, and although this thread is way OT, don't make it worse. You are now crossposting threads, something that the same usenet oldtimers who bash you for top posting, will bash you for. If you don't like the way that your device handles email, then file a bug with the device's manufacturer or buy a different device. Don't try to change conventions that are logical in all but your corner case because the manufacturer of your device did not program it to your liking. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 20 21:41:21 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:41:21 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> Let people do like they want :) I prefer top reading too ronw at paradise.net.nz a écrit : > What is really interesting is that I now understand the discussion about > top/bottom posting so much better. I recently acquired a Blackberry but it > applies to any mail enabled hadheld device. > Bottom posting is so annoying. The recent emails on religion (yes I know they > are not relevant to this group) but the majority were bottom posted and it is a > real pain to get to the relevant detail of each message when you have to first > have to wade through heaps of >>>>> lines of stuff that you read earlier to get > to the crux of message. > I can now understand why so many people are so vociferous about how silly bottom > posting is. One of the list members even has a tag line extolling the virtures > of bottom posting. > Give a reader some credit for intelligence and allow that what most people want > is the message. If they are lost and want to know what triggered the message > they can read back by subject. > And before everyone dives in and blames my method of reading mail I think hand > held devices are the way of the future. > Lets all switch to top posting > > > - > Ron Wilson > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 22:26:43 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:26:43 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > Let people do like they want :) > I prefer top reading too > So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road because it is my preference? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Sun Jan 20 22:30:29 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:30:29 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: On 1/20/08 2:08 PM, "Richard S. Crawford" wrote: > Ramen. hahahaha From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Sun Jan 20 22:35:38 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:35:38 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: On 1/20/08 1:55 PM, "Billie Walsh" wrote: > The best way to read, and understand, the "New Testament" is in the > original Greek. How is one supposed to have time to learn Greek to level that one can read and understand a religious text and still have time to persecute "heathens"? From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jan 20 23:10:25 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:10:25 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >> Let people do like they want :) >> I prefer top reading too >> > > So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road > because it is my preference? That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a preference. So to answer your question, no. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 23:30:01 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:30:01 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: > > So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road > > because it is my preference? > > That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a preference. > > So to answer your question, no. Good point. So, when I visit England, I should address people in Hebrew and act surprised when they do not understand me? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sun Jan 20 23:30:16 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (ronw at paradise.net.nz) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:30:16 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200871816.4793d988ec5f5@www.paradise.net.nz> Actually I quite like the way it handles mail. It is fortunate that it showed me there is merit in top posting and will save me from being so one eyed on a subject that I start calling habits conventions and suggesting something is logical when it patently is not. Quoting Dotan Cohen : > If you don't like the way that your device handles email, then file a > bug with the device's manufacturer or buy a different device. Don't > try to change conventions that are logical in all but your corner case > because the manufacturer of your device did not program it to your > liking. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-× -ס-×¢-×£-פ-×¥-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > - Ron Wilson From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 23:30:45 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:30:45 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801201530i6ba78775j415fc70caacf787d@mail.gmail.com> I'm sorry that I answered that. Lets let this thread die now, before I pull Goodman's law on it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jan 20 23:32:44 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:32:44 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4793DA1C.9060609@mike-leone.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 21/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: >>> So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road >>> because it is my preference? >> That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a preference. >> >> So to answer your question, no. > > Good point. So, when I visit England, I should address people in > Hebrew and act surprised when they do not understand me? You may address people in Hebrew all you want, wherever you want. It would have to be an act, if you want people to think you are surprised that they don't understand you. But it's your preference, if you want to do that. I make no comments on "should", only "can" or "may". From jofriends1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 23:32:05 2008 From: jofriends1 at gmail.com (John Jeleaskov) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:32:05 +0200 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <325262320801201532s5e167c94m1f05acb084551db3@mail.gmail.com> I finck you right about reading Bible in original language. For exampe: * filia,* *eros,* *agape, storge *are translated in majority of Bibles with word *love*, but New World Translation don't do that. That Bible translate : *filia* - brother afections, *agape* - love, *storge* - afections. On 1/20/08, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. > The Bible is very much a work of man. Different books were chosen for > inclusion or exclusion by how certain people felt they were relevant. > > Second. The Old Testament is a translation of the Tora, sort of. Some > things were left out and a few things were put in. The earliest books > were handed down word of mouth for many generations before they were > actually written down. Sometimes stories change as they are passed on. > The whole thing is basically a history of the Israelites. > > Third. No part of the New Testament was written during, or immediately > after, the life of Jesus. The oldest books were written down about > eighty years after his death. Here again stories were passed down word > of mouth. None of the writers had first hand knowledge of what they were > writing. Many "stories" were chosen to not be included because certain > people felt they did not portray Jesus in as favorable a light [ within > their own belief - like the possibility that Jesus was married to Mary ] > as they should. > > The Bible is written in "parables". Stories that tell something. Taking > a "verse" out of the parable destroys the meaning of the verse. The > entire parable must be read to gain the meaning of the parable. > > The best way to read, and understand, the "New Testament" is in the > original Greek. Many meanings are lost in the translation to other > languages. For instance - I forget how many right the top of my head > but, Greek has/had MANY different words for "love". Each denoting the > exact relationship with the person involved [ a father for his son, a > man for his wife, a sister for her brother, etc. ]. ALL these words > basically translate into "love" in most other languages but the > relationship is lost in such a simple translation. > > Virtually none of the things written in The Bible are "new". Almost > every idea held therein can be found in an earlier belief system. > > A good understanding of history is very important. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 23:47:18 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:47:18 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4793DA1C.9060609@mike-leone.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> <4793DA1C.9060609@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801201547s5bd70df4n50676c42f4cc8cc7@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: > But it's your preference, if you want to do that. I make no comments on > "should", only "can" or "may". Die, thread, die! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Mon Jan 21 00:01:54 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:01:54 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200871816.4793d988ec5f5@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> <1200871816.4793d988ec5f5@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <200801201901.54906.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 20 January 2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > Actually I quite like the way it handles mail. It is fortunate that it > showed me there is merit in top posting and will save me from being so one > eyed on a subject that I start calling habits conventions and suggesting > something is logical when it patently is not. The real problem is with people who don't trim their reply text. It doesn't matter where you leave it, if you have a gigantic gob of reply text in your message, it's obnoxious. I happened to quote all of yours, but four lines looks about right to my eye. If that had been a big paragraph, I would have cut out most of it, and if that had been a reply to something else, I would have cut out all but the most critically important bits (if any) in the text to which you were replying. People never used to have these discussions. They just did more or less what I described above automatically. That's how email used to be done, and usenet posts too. It all changed in the mid '90s when millions of people who were new to the scene came in at once. Especially Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express users, which software is all but completely impossible to use to format a message correctly. It's not impossible, but you have to do everything by hand, and even I'm not that anal about message formatting, so I post broken messages with that junk too, when I'm forced to use it, which is thankfully very rare. But anyway, this is all a lost cause, like Coke vs. Pepsi. It will never be settled, and there's no point trying to change anybody else. I just lead by example, and do what I think is right. If other people disagree about what is right, I don't care. I just do it my way anyway; the way I've been writing messages since the mid '80s. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jan 21 00:03:08 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:03:08 -0600 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4793E13C.6090304@swbell.net> Ant Cunningham wrote: > On 1/20/08 1:55 PM, "Billie Walsh" wrote: > > >> The best way to read, and understand, the "New Testament" is in the >> original Greek. >> > > How is one supposed to have time to learn Greek to level that one can read > and understand a religious text and still have time to persecute "heathens"? > > > > Never said that anyone should learn to read it, I can't, just that that was the best "version" to read. Get all the nuances that way. We are all heathens, so are you going to start with persecuting yourself. *<[:oD From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Mon Jan 21 00:13:24 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:13:24 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <4793E13C.6090304@swbell.net> Message-ID: On 1/20/08 7:03 PM, "Billie Walsh" wrote: > We are all heathens, so are you going to start with persecuting > yourself. *<[:oD No I rather like heathens... its the zealots that get to me :-) From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 00:16:52 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:16:52 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201547s5bd70df4n50676c42f4cc8cc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> <4793DA1C.9060609@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201547s5bd70df4n50676c42f4cc8cc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801201616x683548c6pb8290da074bbb5c1@mail.gmail.com> On 1/20/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 21/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: > > But it's your preference, if you want to do that. I make no comments on > > "should", only "can" or "may". > > Die, thread, die! > > Dotan Cohen I second that motion. I mean, really, are there any other topics we can hit on here? How about evolution vs. creationism? Pirates vs. Ninjas? ... Emacs vs. Vi? It was amusing at first, but this is getting ridiculous... Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jan 21 00:19:46 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:19:46 -0600 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4793E522.6090304@swbell.net> On 01/20/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 21/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: > >> > > So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of > the road > >> > > because it is my preference? > > > > > > That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a > preference. > > > > > > So to answer your question, no. > > Good point. So, when I visit England, I should address people in > Hebrew and act surprised when they do not understand me? > > Dotan Cohen Hell, we already got that in the good ol' USofA. Well, maybe not Hebrew but........... From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Mon Jan 21 00:23:51 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:23:51 +1100 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 36, Issue 121 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAF3@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >Especially Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express users, which software >is all but completely impossible to use to format a message correctly. >It's not impossible, but you have to do everything by hand, and even >I'm not that anal about message formatting, so I post broken messages >with that junk too, when I'm forced to use it, which is thankfully >very rare. I'm forced to used Outlook here at work so I've written a few little AutoHotKey scripts to format list replies old-school style. It may not work perfectly but it ends up being so much easier to read! I don't really care whether a thread is top or bottom posted, as long as the indentations (or >>>'s) are right then it's pretty easy for my feeble mind to handle. -Mal From malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com Mon Jan 21 00:26:58 2008 From: malcolm.wanstall at cnh.com (WANSTALL Malcolm) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:26:58 +1100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAF3@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> Message-ID: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAF4@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> WANSTALL Malcolm wrote: >I'm forced to used Outlook here at work so I've written a few little >AutoHotKey scripts to format list replies old-school style. It may not >work perfectly but it ends up being so much easier to read! Unfortunately my scripts don't grab the title from the digest email to stop me replying with the digest in the subject and looking like an idiot! :P Sorry all! -Mal From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Mon Jan 21 00:40:58 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:40:58 +0100 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <200801210140.58649.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> snip > > And behold, Erijabahanibar did speak unto the Israelites and he did give > unto them a new commandment which was that thou shalt not talk about thy > gods in an electronic mailing list dedicated to open source technologies, > unless thy god be Linux Torvalds, Mark Shuttleworth.... and so on. Ramen. > (Exodus 45:1-3, 9 - FSMV) > > Powerful words, and still applicable even today, whatever your faith. You just made my day. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 21 01:54:33 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:54:33 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> Message-ID: <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > Let people do like they want :) > I prefer top reading too > > http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 21 02:02:19 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:02:19 +0000 Subject: wget problem In-Reply-To: <20080120200634.M40007@iefbr14.com> References: <20080120200634.M40007@iefbr14.com> Message-ID: <4793FD2B.3090900@tiscali.co.uk> Lou Katz wrote: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 08:15:25AM +0000, Wulfy wrote: > >> I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get wget to get >> more than the top layer of the site. The archive.org site just brings >> in index.html (and robots.txt). I tried it on another site and it >> brought in the two versions of the main page (dialup and high speed) but >> the menu links weren't followed. I tried -l5 and -15 and got the same >> download. >> >> Any idea why the -r isn't recursing? >> > > Have you used the underdocumented option to ignore robots.txt? > > put > robots = off > > in your .wgetrc, or use > > -erobots=off > > on the command line. It turns out the problem was with robots.txt. I'll try your solution. Thanks, Lou! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 21 02:10:40 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:10:40 +0000 Subject: wget problem In-Reply-To: <4793FD2B.3090900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20080120200634.M40007@iefbr14.com> <4793FD2B.3090900@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <4793FF20.9020401@tiscali.co.uk> Wulfy wrote: > Lou Katz wrote: > >> Have you used the underdocumented option to ignore robots.txt? >> put >> robots = off >> >> in your .wgetrc, or use >> >> -erobots=off >> >> on the command line. >> > > It turns out the problem was with robots.txt. I'll try your solution. > Thanks, Lou! > > No go. It just doesn't download the robot.txt file. I get an error "Couldn't download this page from the archive" in place of the net file. :@( It's looking more and more like the "easy" way to do this is manually... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From ronw at paradise.net.nz Mon Jan 21 02:14:50 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (ronw at paradise.net.nz) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:14:50 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> usenet??? Is usenet even still in existence. Come on we are in the 21st century now and there are better ways to diseminate information. Our local university discontinued mirroring usenet years ago. Your article on merits of top versus bottom is very old fashioned and I would guess it was written before things like Wireless conenctions and handhelds etc. Quoting Wulfy : > girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > > Let people do like they want :) > > I prefer top reading too > > > > > http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > - Ron Wilson From kfulks at knology.net Mon Jan 21 02:38:08 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:38:08 -0600 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <47940590.3010007@knology.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. > The Bible is very much a work of man. Different books were chosen for > inclusion or exclusion by how certain people felt they were relevant. > > Second. The Old Testament is a translation of the Tora, sort of. Some > things were left out and a few things were put in. The earliest books > were handed down word of mouth for many generations before they were > actually written down. Sometimes stories change as they are passed on. > The whole thing is basically a history of the Israelites. > > Third. No part of the New Testament was written during, or immediately > after, the life of Jesus. The oldest books were written down about > eighty years after his death. Here again stories were passed down word > of mouth. None of the writers had first hand knowledge of what they were > writing. Many "stories" were chosen to not be included because certain > people felt they did not portray Jesus in as favorable a light [ within > their own belief - like the possibility that Jesus was married to Mary ] > as they should. > > The Bible is written in "parables". Stories that tell something. Taking > a "verse" out of the parable destroys the meaning of the verse. The > entire parable must be read to gain the meaning of the parable. > > The best way to read, and understand, the "New Testament" is in the > original Greek. Many meanings are lost in the translation to other > languages. For instance - I forget how many right the top of my head > but, Greek has/had MANY different words for "love". Each denoting the > exact relationship with the person involved [ a father for his son, a > man for his wife, a sister for her brother, etc. ]. ALL these words > basically translate into "love" in most other languages but the > relationship is lost in such a simple translation. > > Virtually none of the things written in The Bible are "new". Almost > every idea held therein can be found in an earlier belief system. > > A good understanding of history is very important. > Let me say that this is way OT. I started not to reply to it, but I finally convinced myself that you said a few things that are so far off target, that I had to respond. However, I do not think that this deserves further response on this list. I would be happy to correspond with anyone privately on this topic, but I felt that the other side of the argument needed to be stated. First, I don't know anyone that would believe that God himself wrote the books that we now call the Bible. However, many do believe that the books are inspired by God and that he instructed the writer in what they should write. You are correct in the fact that men selected what would be included in what we call the Bible. But this was based on what the early Christians had referenced and the traditions of what was written when and by whom. The Old Testament has been set in its current selection of books since before the time of Christ. The Pharisees and Sadducees endorsed those books and the Rabbis used them for their teachings. Second, Tora is a Japanese word which means tiger. Tora, Tora, Tora was the words used to signal the Japanese Navy to push the attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1942. The Torah is the Hebrew books of history written by Moses. They are the first five books of our current Old Testament, so obviously things have been added. That makes it a little hard for anything to have been left out of the Torah. I am not sure what you mean by anything having been left out. Third, I don't know of anyone that would argue the point of nothing in the New Testament being written during the life of Jesus. The first books were likely written about 20 years after his death. However, your 80 year estimate is likely way off. Since many of the books of the New Testament were letters written by the Apostle Paul and since he was killed in about A.D. 67, it is likely that most of the books were written before that. It is highly unlikely that he wrote these letters after his death. The last books written were written by the Apostle John who died around A.D. 100, so that is still less than 70 years after the death of Jesus. It is also not true that the Bible was written in Parables. There are many Parables in the first four books of the New Testament. Christ used the Parables to teach abstract lessons to the Jews as well as his disciples. It was not for them to completely understand until after his death and Parables provided a mechanism for these lessons. However, when we read those parables and know the history including his death, we can understand them. Outside of these four books, which are called the Gospels, there are few Parables in the Bible. I won't disagree with you that understanding history is important to understanding the Bible. History confirms so many of the prophesies in the Bible. Archeology has proven so many of the facts in the Bible. If you understand these things, it is much easier to understand the chronology of the Bible and its place in history. I will somewhat disagree with you on reading in Greek. However, I will agree that having a tool (Strong's Concordance) handy to help in understanding the meaning of words is important. Using the QT library without having a QT reference handy isn't very smart either. You are very correct on the word love. But using a good tool to help understand, will eliminate any misunderstanding that might be introduced with the translation into English. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 21 02:41:10 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:41:10 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <47940646.8040809@tiscali.co.uk> ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > usenet??? Is usenet even still in existence. Come on we are in the 21st century > now and there are better ways to diseminate information. Our local university > discontinued mirroring usenet years ago. > Your article on merits of top versus bottom is very old fashioned and I would > guess it was written before things like Wireless conenctions and handhelds etc. Take a look at Google Groups... :@) It may well have been written before the advent of Wireless Connections and handhelds. So was Linux... your point? Just because handhelds follow the broken rules of Microsoft Outlook and Lotus Notes, should we all bow down and accept it? Isn't that one of the reasons we *don't* run MSVirus? If you can guarantee all mails arrive in the order they er written, your case may have more merit. Or how about top posting a rely to a digest? On this list that could be a 90k e-mail with "Thanks!" at the top... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Jan 21 02:42:32 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:42:32 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <200801202142.32739.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sunday 20 January 2008 9:14:50 pm ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > usenet??? Is usenet even still in existence. Come on we are in the 21st > century now and there are better ways to diseminate information. Our local > university discontinued mirroring usenet years ago. > Your article on merits of top versus bottom is very old fashioned and I > would guess it was written before things like Wireless conenctions and > handhelds etc. > Its not about hardware or devices, its more about being able to keep track of a thread and who has said what, what a reply was in reference to, that sort of thing, especially in those longer threads, which of course we are experiencing here now :) These mailing lists are *exactly* like usenet newsgroups, the only thing different is the delivery/reception method. When more than a few percentage of users are accessing mail using handhelds, maybe things will change, but i kinda doubt it -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 03:07:51 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:07:51 +1100 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <47940C87.7040602@optusnet.com.au> Wulfy wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in >> System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I >> select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this >> function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www >> address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't >> find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. >> Can someone help me break out of this cycle? >> >> Clark. >> >> >> > Type "about:config" into FF's address bar. > > Search for: > > network.protocol-handler.app.mailto > > It's a string... set it to your mail apps name [mine says "thunderbird"] > does this mean I append the word thunderbird to the line network.protocol-handler.app.mailto for Email default and create another line and append the word Firefox for my browser default, my confusion grows greater. Perhaps a word about the function of these 2 lines may help. > Below it is: > > network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto > > Boolean. set to "true". > > All without the quotes, of course. > > HTH > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 03:14:18 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:14:18 +1100 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <47940E0A.5040700@optusnet.com.au> Wulfy wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in >> System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I >> select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this >> function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www >> address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't >> find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. >> Can someone help me break out of this cycle? >> >> Clark. >> >> >> > Type "about:config" into FF's address bar. > > Search for: > > network.protocol-handler.app.mailto > > It's a string... set it to your mail apps name [mine says "thunderbird"] > Tried that then discovered some points of confusion: 1. Do I create a new line - network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and append the word thunderbird to make it the default Email app. 2. Do I repeat this process - another new - network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and add firefox 3. Then set these lines to true and the expose line to true? > Below it is: > > network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto > > Boolean. set to "true". > > All without the quotes, of course. > > HTH > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 21 03:49:03 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:49:03 +0000 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <47940E0A.5040700@optusnet.com.au> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> <47940E0A.5040700@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4794162F.30905@tiscali.co.uk> Clark wrote: > Wulfy wrote: >> Type "about:config" into FF's address bar. >> >> Search for: >> >> network.protocol-handler.app.mailto >> >> It's a string... set it to your mail apps name [mine says "thunderbird"] >> > Tried that then discovered some points of confusion: > 1. Do I create a new line - network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and > append the word thunderbird to make it the default Email app. > 2. Do I repeat this process - another new - > network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and add firefox > 3. Then set these lines to true and the expose line to true? 1. When you create the new line it will ask for a name (network.protocol-handler.app.mailto) and a value (thunderbird). It then inserts the line into the appropriate file in your user directory and updates the screen. That's all you have to do - fill in 2 boxes. 2. Firefox is not a mail app... so no. 3. The n.p-h.expose.mailto boolean you toggle (true). That it. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jan 21 04:06:49 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:06:49 -0600 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps In-Reply-To: <4794162F.30905@tiscali.co.uk> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> <47940E0A.5040700@optusnet.com.au> <4794162F.30905@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <47941A59.1030004@swbell.net> Wulfy wrote: > Clark wrote: > >> Wulfy wrote: >> >>> Type "about:config" into FF's address bar. >>> >>> Search for: >>> >>> network.protocol-handler.app.mailto >>> >>> It's a string... set it to your mail apps name [mine says "thunderbird"] >>> >>> >> Tried that then discovered some points of confusion: >> 1. Do I create a new line - network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and >> append the word thunderbird to make it the default Email app. >> 2. Do I repeat this process - another new - >> network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and add firefox >> 3. Then set these lines to true and the expose line to true? >> > > 1. When you create the new line it will ask for a name > (network.protocol-handler.app.mailto) and a value (thunderbird). It > then inserts the line into the appropriate file in your user directory > and updates the screen. That's all you have to do - fill in 2 boxes. > > 2. Firefox is not a mail app... so no. > > 3. The n.p-h.expose.mailto boolean you toggle (true). > > That it. > > To automatically open links in Thunderbird in Firefox you will also have to make some similar changes to Thunderbird config. Click Edit>Preferences>Advanced>General>Config Editor. Add two lines: network.protocol-handler.pap.http firefox network.protocol-handler.app.https firefox For some reason these lines have been omitted for the latest releases. From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Jan 21 06:26:30 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:26:30 +0200 Subject: OT: Removal of Ogg Vorbis and Theora from HTML5 Message-ID: <47943B16.3020003@rmk.co.il> I know this is OT (but it has more to do with Linux, Kubuntu and Open Source than the last OT about the Bible): Nokia and Apple have privately pushed to give Ogg the noose treatment (and so far succeeded) in HTML5. This destroyed all hope of having free (as in freedom) media embedded in HTML5 in an interoperable way. http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/12/11/removal-of-ogg-vorbis-and-theora-from-html5-an-outrageous-disaster/ I have just read and signed the online petition: "Use free standards" hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/lortow3/ I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing yourself. Let's fight for our future.... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 07:02:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:02:27 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <880dece00801202302r1530eb88gb1d0925298972592@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > usenet??? Is usenet even still in existence. Come on we are in the 21st century > now and there are better ways to diseminate information. Our local university > discontinued mirroring usenet years ago. > Your article on merits of top versus bottom is very old fashioned and I would > guess it was written before things like Wireless conenctions and handhelds etc. > So was the Bible, and if you've been following this thread, you'd know that people are still adhering to it as if it were religion. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 07:24:19 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:24:19 +0200 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47940590.3010007@knology.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> Message-ID: <200801210924.19495.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > History confirms so many of the prophesies in > the Bible. Expect little details like Exodus. \d -- "A computer without Windows is like chocolate cake without mustard." -- Anonymous Coward /. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 07:39:40 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:39:40 +0200 Subject: The final word on posting styles Message-ID: <200801210939.40988.donn.ingle@gmail.com> However you do it, whatever it's on Make is sensible, don't make it long Keep the gist, discard the rest Else we all drown in repeated text. Do some work, edit the writing Top or bottom let's stop fighting. \d -- He's completely unspoiled by failure. -- Noel Coward Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:30:36 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:30:36 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] 3.5 still the supported option Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <20080119235346.GK8500@muse.19inch.net> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <478D7E34.9000809@stdin.me.uk> <478D8B80.4090109@gmail.com> <880dece00801160201s6c57950fkfe690a5e3548ff39@mail.gmail.com> <20080119235346.GK8500@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <4794582C.6000904@gmail.com> Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:01:10PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If Kubuntu should be a bleeding-edge distro (as is now planned) then >> it is not suitable for everyday use. > > That is not the case. A KDE 4 CD will be available for early adopters > but the KDE 3 CD will be the stable, commercially supported option and > remains the default for upgrades. > > Jonathan > In which case I rest my case. Thanks for clearing that issue Jonathan, as you can see it has got a number of threads started. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:34:32 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:34:32 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801200923r4864a2cbj32db1862ea2afca5@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200224v7d30c7d0h928f94a29ad8a73b@mail.gmail.com> <200801201621.56829.nepal.roade@virgin.net> <325262320801200910s6db2a66fh29e984b3fb60e403@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801200923r4864a2cbj32db1862ea2afca5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47945918.7030803@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, John Jeleaskov wrote: >> Try too read "New World Translation" this Bible very exatly perform the >> biblical terms, and win competition for exactity... > > Thanks, I forgot about that. While I've never met any Jehovah's > Witnesses, their fundamental (not extremist) views are very similar to > my own and I had once resigned myself to reading their version of the > New Testament. I know that many Americans dislike the Jehovah's > Witness because of their door-knocking, however, I've never fell > victim to it! > > The first few pages of their Old Testament seem very faithful to the > original Hebrew, as I've read here: > http://www.watchtower.org/bible/index.htm > > However, I find the New World Translation more cryptic that the New > Revised Standard edition, which seems to make a point of using modern, > everyday words. That is important to me. I'll not give any more > opinions on list, but if someone is interested then they can contact > me privately and I will give my views. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Whatever this discussion is about it is not anything remotely connected to Kubuntu or KDE so can someone rename it or start another thread - maybe with OTT in the heading? Sinclair From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 21 08:38:13 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:38:13 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479459F5.7010507@free.fr> Why not ? if you are kamikaze ... lol I bet you wouln't drive long Dotan Cohen a écrit : > On 20/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > >> Let people do like they want :) >> I prefer top reading too >> >> > > So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road > because it is my preference? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 21 08:39:43 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:39:43 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <880dece00801201530r3a2e1317gc603d0b5d56cea80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47945A4F.90607@free.fr> They wouldn't understand you even in english :) lol Dotan Cohen a écrit : > On 21/01/2008, Mike Leone wrote: > >>> So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road >>> because it is my preference? >>> >> That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a preference. >> >> So to answer your question, no. >> > > Good point. So, when I visit England, I should address people in > Hebrew and act surprised when they do not understand me? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 21 09:58:03 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:58:03 +0100 Subject: ATI xpress 1200 on kubuntu 64 bits Message-ID: <47946CAB.5040803@free.fr> Hi all :) I can't use compiz or even kde4 composite (which should be enaugh ) on kubuntu 64 bits hardy/gutsy ... I once succeeded but since no more after reading all ubuntu /kub... how too.. I crashed many time my display... So at the moment I am waiting for more infos... Does one have same problem and find solution ? I tried envy but no success regards Henri From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Jan 21 10:27:12 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:27:12 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801200831.56789.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <47928A5D.2000006@swbell.net> <880dece00801191548r7be0390em2db78d8c5daa2125@mail.gmail.com> <200801200831.56789.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47947380.6060902@yahoo.it> Donn wrote: > On Sunday, 20 January 2008 01:48:48 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I could imagine this thread going XKCD > I wonder if you have just invented a new expression in the languages of the > world? Only geeks will get it, but man do I love that strip :) > > > \d :S I got it... now I feel geeky :'( I. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Jan 21 10:47:04 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:47:04 +0000 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47940590.3010007@knology.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> Message-ID: <47947828.8070302@yahoo.it> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Probably going to make a few enemies here. [snip] >> Third. No part of the New Testament was written during, or immediately >> after, the life of Jesus. The oldest books were written down about >> eighty years after his death. Here again stories were passed down word >> of mouth. None of the writers had first hand knowledge of what they were >> writing. [snip] > Third, I don't know of anyone that would argue the point of nothing in > the New Testament being written during the life of Jesus. The first > books were likely written about 20 years after his death. However, your > 80 year estimate is likely way off. Since many of the books of the New > Testament were letters written by the Apostle Paul and since he was > killed in about A.D. 67, it is likely that most of the books were > written before that. It is highly unlikely that he wrote these letters > after his death. The last books written were written by the Apostle > John who died around A.D. 100, so that is still less than 70 years after > the death of Jesus. The most recent book I read places the writings of all gospels and various letters between 50 dc and 120 dc. Case in point, biblists of different religions (even catholics, lol) agree that none of the gospels have been written by the apostles themselves, and John's especially is the one which shows signs of additions and rewritings. BTW, AD 100? from AD 33? if he was 20 when Jesus was alive, that would mean he was over 90 when he died. Back then the average lifespan of a civus romanus was about 40 years, isn't that stretching it a bit? OT again :) I. From mdwaps at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 10:53:59 2008 From: mdwaps at gmail.com (Manpreet Dhillon) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:53:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: ATI xpress 1200 on kubuntu 64 bits In-Reply-To: GmailId1179bcac14d436bd Message-ID: <24099664.98341200912839255.JavaMail.flurry@web1> Yeah I have same problem. Corri _____________________________ Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at: http://www.flurry.com --- Original Message --- Date: Mon Jan 21 02:00:38 PST 2008 From: "girardhenri at free.fr" To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: ATI xpress 1200 on kubuntu 64 bits --- Hi all :) I can't use compiz or even kde4 composite (which should be enaugh ) on kubuntu 64 bits hardy/gutsy ... I once succeeded but since no more after reading all ubuntu /kub... how too.. I crashed many time my display... So at the moment I am waiting for more infos... Does one have same problem and find solution ? I tried envy but no success regards Henri -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From mdwaps at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 10:56:08 2008 From: mdwaps at gmail.com (Manpreet Dhillon) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:56:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: ATI xpress 1200 on kubuntu 64 bits In-Reply-To: GmailId1179bcac14d436bd Message-ID: <27187080.98431200912968400.JavaMail.flurry@web1> Yeah I have same problem. Compiz ain't running on my Integrated ATI Radeon X1250 even it support HardWare acceleration and Open GL. After installing Restricted Drivers videos run too blury and no one was able to solve my problem. So you have to wait as I'm doing. _____________________________ Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at: http://www.flurry.com --- Original Message --- Date: Mon Jan 21 02:00:38 PST 2008 From: "girardhenri at free.fr" To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: ATI xpress 1200 on kubuntu 64 bits --- Hi all :) I can't use compiz or even kde4 composite (which should be enaugh ) on kubuntu 64 bits hardy/gutsy ... I once succeeded but since no more after reading all ubuntu /kub... how too.. I crashed many time my display... So at the moment I am waiting for more infos... Does one have same problem and find solution ? I tried envy but no success regards Henri -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jan 21 11:23:53 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:23:53 -0500 Subject: OT: Removal of Ogg Vorbis and Theora from HTML5 In-Reply-To: <47943B16.3020003@rmk.co.il> References: <47943B16.3020003@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801210623.53817.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 21 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: >I know this is OT (but it has more to do with Linux, Kubuntu and Open >Source than the last OT about the Bible): > >Nokia and Apple have privately pushed to give Ogg the noose treatment >(and so >far succeeded) in HTML5. This destroyed all hope of having free (as in >freedom) media embedded in HTML5 in an interoperable way. > >http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/12/11/removal-of-ogg-vorbis-and-theora-from- >html5-an-outrageous-disaster/ > >I have just read and signed the online petition: > > "Use free standards" > >hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition >service, at: > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/lortow3/ > >I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might >agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider >signing yourself. > >Let's fight for our future.... > >Blessings, > >Nigel > Signed. >-- >OliveRoot Ministries >http://www.oliveroot.net/ > >PrayingForIsrael.net >http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Catharsis is something I associate with pornography and crossword puzzles. -- Howard Chaykin From javedshadab at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 11:53:39 2008 From: javedshadab at gmail.com (javed aslam) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:23:39 +0530 Subject: some attention pls.. guys In-Reply-To: <200801191321.32424.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <110e69080801190301j4e790419m829f1f11ee2201d7@mail.gmail.com> <200801191321.32424.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <110e69080801210353p3786cfbdl7861d05ff7835c0e@mail.gmail.com> THANKS A LOT GUYS... FOR UR RESPONSE.. I WILL TRY THW XP FIRST AND THEN IF NEED BE MOVE BACK TO VISTA..COZ VISTA INSTALL IS INT REALLY THAT FAST ON MY MACHINE. I HAVE AN 'AMD TURION X2' LAPTOP THAT DOES WELL WITH A NVIDIA DRIVER--WHICH AGAIN HAS N0 DRIVER IN UBUNTU. SO FOR NOW LIKE A GOOD CHILD- I'LL TRY INSTALLING THE XP THEN THE UBUNTU.. ONE MORE THING THAT I NEEDED TO ASK IS THAT WHEN I INSTALL UBUNTU IT ASKS FOR A ROOT .. I GAVE ONE OF THE PARTITION AS ROOT.. IS IT FINE. I WILL TRY THIS IN THE WEEKEND AND TELL U GUYZ.. THANKS A LOT GUYS.. I SURELY WIL BE NEEDING ALL UR SUPPORT. HAVE A GOOD WEEK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 13:40:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:40:22 -0400 Subject: The final word on posting styles References: <200801210939.40988.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1772399.7O0TLbeOy8@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: > However you do it, whatever it's on > Make it sensible, don't make it long > Keep the gist, discard the rest > Else we all drown in repeated text. > Do some work, edit the writing > Top or bottom let's stop fighting. :-) (I'd have stopped there, but it's impolite to quote an entire email just to add a smiley!) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 13:59:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:59:55 -0400 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> Message-ID: <1299701.jtURjQZ9by@cedar.serverforest.com> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Probably going to make a few enemies here. Probably. It really _isn't_ necessary to discuss this on an Ubuntu list. >> Third. No part of the New Testament was written during, or immediately >> after, the life of Jesus. The oldest books were written down about >> eighty years after his death. ... >> The best way to read, and understand, the "New Testament" is in the >> original Greek. ... > Let me say that this is way OT. I started not to reply to it, but I > finally convinced myself that you said a few things that are so far off > target, that I had to respond. Indeed > However, I do not think that this > deserves further response on this list. Hey, it's a thread - everybody gets their say! > Third, I don't know of anyone that would argue the point of nothing in > the New Testament being written during the life of Jesus. The first > books were likely written about 20 years after his death. However, your > 80 year estimate is likely way off. Since many of the books of the New > Testament were letters written by the Apostle Paul and since he was > killed in about A.D. 67, it is likely that most of the books were > written before that. The Gospels were written later, but iirc the first of those probably 30 years after Jesus' death. > It is highly unlikely that he wrote these letters > after his death. The last books written were written by the Apostle > John who died around A.D. 100, so that is still less than 70 years after > the death of Jesus. That's highly arguable. The Gospel and Revelation could be well after 100AD. I was taught that the Gospel is from c. 130AD, but admittedly that was many years ago and history, surprisingly, changes... > I won't disagree with you that understanding history is important to > understanding the Bible. History confirms so many of the prophesies in > the Bible. Ack!!! Name one - and prove that the so-called prophecy actually referred to what you want it to! Prophecy is a wonderful thing, because if it's not so obscure that anything could be interpreted from it, well, history's very long and sooner or later something will happen that matches the prophecy. cf. the event that caused the whole New Testament. Jesus may be the Messiah prophecied by Isaiah - he meets the criteria, but so could any descendant of David, and the Jews explicitly don't accept that he was the fulfilment of the prophecy. > I will somewhat disagree with you on reading in Greek. Especially since some of the earliest texts were Aramaic... > Using the QT library > without having a QT reference handy isn't very smart either. Hey!! No fair using an on-topic reference! (Not that I necessarily agree - references are handy, they're not always definitive). -- derek From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Mon Jan 21 14:02:29 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:02:29 +0100 Subject: totally not OT - understanding netiquette In-Reply-To: <325262320801201532s5e167c94m1f05acb084551db3@mail.gmail.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <325262320801201532s5e167c94m1f05acb084551db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801211502.29414.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Monday 21 January 2008 00:32:05 John Jeleaskov wrote: > I finck you right about reading Bible in original language. For exampe: * It still doesn't belong here. Take it elsewhere. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Mon Jan 21 14:06:05 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:06:05 +0100 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <47940590.3010007@knology.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> Message-ID: <200801211506.05802.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> > Let me say that this is way OT. I started not to reply to it, but I > finally convinced myself that you said a few things that are so far off > target, that I had to respond. However, I do not think that this > deserves further response on this list. I would be happy to correspond > with anyone privately on this topic, but I felt that the other side of > the argument needed to be stated. But not here. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:04:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:04:54 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <1355487.4HZFfGY18t@cedar.serverforest.com> ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > What is really interesting is that I now understand the discussion about > top/bottom posting so much better. I recently acquired a Blackberry but it > applies to any mail enabled hadheld device. There's only one reasonable answer to this sort of trash and don't you dare top-post anything that shows up in my mailbox. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:02:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:02:13 -0400 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> <200801210924.19495.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <600478686.BeHdfiOhgP@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: >> History confirms so many of the prophesies in >> the Bible. > Expect little details like Exodus. > Exodus, true or not (it must be - I saw Charlton Heston part the Red Sea!) is not a work of prophecy. The prophets come _after_ the "pentateuch". -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:06:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:06:12 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> Message-ID: <1319184.g2UDGPOCQi@cedar.serverforest.com> girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > Let people do like they want :) > I prefer top reading too > Another person I don't have to read. You keep missing the point. It's NOT what you prefer. It's what the users prefer. If you insist on being rude, you won't get any help. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:12:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:12:37 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <171577335.nYmhCU9bKn@cedar.serverforest.com> Mike Leone wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> On 20/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >>> Let people do like they want :) >>> I prefer top reading too >> >> So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road >> because it is my preference? > > That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a preference. > > So to answer your question, no. I think he should write from right to left in response to all top posts. It's just a preference, too. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 14:23:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:23:33 +0200 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1319184.g2UDGPOCQi@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <1319184.g2UDGPOCQi@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801210623o42b4e720s5adf60729db478dc@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > > > Let people do like they want :) > > I prefer top reading too > > > > Another person I don't have to read. You keep missing the point. It's NOT > what you prefer. It's what the users prefer. If you insist on being rude, > you won't get any help. Exactly my point, Derek. Now, however, he will complain that _he_ is the user. Which might very well be, there are exactly two industries in which the customer is called a "user". Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:10:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:10:09 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> <200801202142.32739.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <34328791.ttsVNBNYhI@cedar.serverforest.com> Clay Weber wrote: > These mailing lists are *exactly* like usenet newsgroups, the only thing > different is the delivery/reception method. Or not - since so many of us read via gmane, it _is_ a newsgroup (though not strictly Usenet). As for the person who said something about giving readers "credit", he must not read many lists. I read four or five hundred list posts a day. I probably write 20. I'd never keep responses straight without some quoting. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:10:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:10:54 -0400 Subject: totally not OT - understanding netiquette References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <325262320801201532s5e167c94m1f05acb084551db3@mail.gmail.com> <200801211502.29414.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1950520.sRSD5FSk5v@cedar.serverforest.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > On Monday 21 January 2008 00:32:05 John Jeleaskov wrote: >> I finck you right about reading Bible in original language. For exampe: * > > It still doesn't belong here. Take it elsewhere. Please don't try to be a cop. Yes it's OT, but it'll die on its own. -- derek From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 14:32:04 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:32:04 -0500 Subject: KDE4 Plasmoids Message-ID: <2759cf860801210632pbd92673ub6f808aa68c3ef44@mail.gmail.com> I was just reading the KDE 4.0 review on Ars Techinica and noticed that they had a couple plasmoids I hadn't seen. Does anyone know where to download the system monitor, network or twitter plasmoids? I tried looking through kde-look.org or kde-apps.org (as well as a few dozen google searches), but I can't seem to find any downloads. Thanks, Jared From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jan 21 14:16:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> <1200871816.4793d988ec5f5@www.paradise.net.nz> <200801201901.54906.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1223623.FBB244ar07@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 20 January 2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > >> Actually I quite like the way it handles mail. It is fortunate that it >> showed me there is merit in top posting and will save me from being so >> one eyed on a subject that I start calling habits conventions and >> suggesting something is logical when it patently is not. > > The real problem is with people who don't trim their reply text. It > doesn't matter where you leave it, if you have a gigantic gob of reply You'd think people using Blackberries, paying a per KB data rate would want to _discourage_ top-posting. -- derek From devriesbj at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 14:41:20 2008 From: devriesbj at gmail.com (Brad De Vries) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:41:20 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 1:55 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > by God. ... > Billie, it's clear that you are simply trolling here and I won't bite but I will simply say that you are in my prayers. I pray that the Holy Spirit will soften your heart so that you can feel the love, compassion, and forgiveness from the One who created you. I also pray that you'll find the rest you're seeking in the loving arms of God the Father. Brad. From mlsoft at videotron.ca Mon Jan 21 14:47:19 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:47:19 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <1299701.jtURjQZ9by@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> <1299701.jtURjQZ9by@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801210947.19511.mlsoft@videotron.ca> > > The Gospels were written later, but iirc the first of those probably 30 > years after Jesus' death. > > > It is highly unlikely that he wrote these letters > > after his death. The last books written were written by the Apostle > > John who died around A.D. 100, so that is still less than 70 years after > > the death of Jesus. > > That's highly arguable. The Gospel and Revelation could be well after > 100AD. I was taught that the Gospel is from c. 130AD, but admittedly that > was many years ago and history, surprisingly, changes... > > > I won't disagree with you that understanding history is important to > > understanding the Bible. History confirms so many of the prophesies in > > the Bible. > > Ack!!! Name one - and prove that the so-called prophecy actually referred > to what you want it to! Prophecy is a wonderful thing, because if it's not > so obscure that anything could be interpreted from it, well, history's very > long and sooner or later something will happen that matches the prophecy. > cf. the event that caused the whole New Testament. Jesus may be the > Messiah prophecied by Isaiah - he meets the criteria, but so could any > descendant of David, and the Jews explicitly don't accept that he was the > fulfilment of the prophecy. > Then the prophecy, about the resurection of jesus 2000 years later, may have been true. Maybe Jesus was resurected and is now called Jesus Torvalds, and just disguised his name to stay incognito. He teach us to share, help, care for others, build a community, all in all, the same teachings than his predecessor. We all pray him for new benefits in our lifes, and help others to come to our religion, by converting them from the Evil($) to the Good(GPL). It seems pretty much the same to me. :-) -- Martin Laberge, 30 years of unix admin... and still learning! mlsoft at videotron.ca (418) 575-2945 From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 14:48:06 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:48:06 +0200 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00801210648i26728151y3ae55c850bdb3ed3@mail.gmail.com> On 21/01/2008, Brad De Vries wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 1:55 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > > by God. > > Billie, it's clear that you are simply trolling here and I won't bite > but I will simply say that you are in my prayers. > > I pray that the Holy Spirit will soften your heart so that you can > feel the love, compassion, and forgiveness from the One who created > you. A heart attack? > I also pray that you'll find the rest you're seeking in the > loving arms of God the Father. And die? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 15:06:33 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:06:33 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <4793FB59.4010004@tiscali.co.uk> <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801210706y2b76d1diaeb8061a1c138567@mail.gmail.com> On 1/20/08, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > usenet??? Is usenet even still in existence. Come on we are in the 21st century > now and there are better ways to diseminate information. Wow. There are tons of people that still use Usenet to gather information. Don't be so quick to rule out a great resource just because it is "old". That's like saying: "LEIK OMG! emacz an vi is rully old! Isnt evervy1 using MSVIZUALSTUDIO??!!". If you don't think Usenet is useful why are you on a mailing list? There is semantically no difference between Usenet and a mailing list. RSS feeds and other technologies may be great at dispersing information, but they only give you breadth of information. If you ever want depth of information, you just may find yourself asking questions on Usenet (or a mailing list). > Our local university > discontinued mirroring usenet years ago. Good for them... > Your article on merits of top versus bottom is very old fashioned and I would > guess it was written before things like Wireless conenctions and handhelds etc. Your (and others) argument on this subject is very annoying to the knowledgeable and veteran members of this list who prefer cropping and middle posting (like my post - its really not "bottom posting"). It also looks very selfish (i.e. "Why should I inconvenience _myself_ in posting the preferred way? The very busy people that may be able to answer my question should be inconvenienced because I'm too lazy or stubborn to give a shit."). That said, I would still help you if you had a problem; I'm just trying to let you know that you're probably burning some bridges around here. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From kassube at gmx.net Mon Jan 21 15:06:54 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:06:54 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1223623.FBB244ar07@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801201901.54906.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1223623.FBB244ar07@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801211606.54775.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > You'd think people using Blackberries, paying a per KB data rate would > want to _discourage_ top-posting. I think they wouldn't use such a device for a high volume mailing list if they cared about the price. Nils From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jan 21 15:11:21 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:11:21 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1223623.FBB244ar07@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> <1200871816.4793d988ec5f5@www.paradise.net.nz> <200801201901.54906.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1223623.FBB244ar07@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4794B619.9030101@mike-leone.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >> On Sunday 20 January 2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: >> >>> Actually I quite like the way it handles mail. It is fortunate that it >>> showed me there is merit in top posting and will save me from being so >>> one eyed on a subject that I start calling habits conventions and >>> suggesting something is logical when it patently is not. >> The real problem is with people who don't trim their reply text. It >> doesn't matter where you leave it, if you have a gigantic gob of reply > > You'd think people using Blackberries, paying a per KB data rate would want > to _discourage_ top-posting. You'd think this never-ending waste of time thread on top-posting would just die, but it doesn't ... From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jan 21 15:12:51 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:12:51 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <171577335.nYmhCU9bKn@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <4793C001.5090000@free.fr> <880dece00801201426y35af7ab9r7c614b64d37645c1@mail.gmail.com> <4793D4E1.8070306@mike-leone.com> <171577335.nYmhCU9bKn@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4794B673.2030108@mike-leone.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Mike Leone wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> On 20/01/2008, girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >>>> Let people do like they want :) >>>> I prefer top reading too >>> So when visiting England, I should drive on the right side of the road >>> because it is my preference? >> That would be illegal. Top posting is not illegal, merely a preference. >> >> So to answer your question, no. > I think he should write from right to left in response to all top posts. > It's just a preference, too. He can. None of us *has* to read posts from specific users. Hence the joy of kill filters. Makes life a lot easier, quieter, and with less stress. And would have saved MASSIVE amounts of bandwidth on this thread ... From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jan 21 15:15:02 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:15:02 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1355487.4HZFfGY18t@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <1355487.4HZFfGY18t@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4794B6F6.9070903@mike-leone.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > >> What is really interesting is that I now understand the discussion about >> top/bottom posting so much better. I recently acquired a Blackberry but it >> applies to any mail enabled hadheld device. > > There's only one reasonable answer to this sort of trash > > > and don't you dare top-post anything that shows up in my mailbox. Why? What will you do, if he does? I'm just curious, you understand. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 15:41:08 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:41:08 +0200 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <200801211506.05802.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> <200801211506.05802.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ I gotta know, what does that block mean? I've seen it around and it always puzzles me. Is it a version of brainfuck? Or some ascii-art? \d -- He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. -- Abraham Lincoln Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 15:41:49 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:41:49 +0200 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200801211741.49331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I pray that the Holy Spirit will soften your heart so that you can > feel the love, compassion, and forgiveness from the One who created > you. Flying Spaghetti Monster FTW :D \d -- "In most cases, it seems that religion gives people bad reasons to behave well, when good reasons are actually available." -- Sam Harris Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Mon Jan 21 15:41:06 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:41:06 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: <200801211741.49331.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/21/08 10:41 AM, "Donn" wrote: > Flying Spaghetti Monster FTW :D > Werd b00ty ;-) From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 16:00:38 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:00:38 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801210800o2416faa5q2352613edc48368a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/08, Brad De Vries wrote: > Billie, it's clear that you are simply trolling here and I won't bite > but I will simply say that you are in my prayers. Response to Troll = Bite. I hate to break it you, but you bit. Then again, his message really wasn't a troll; it is just offtopic (judging from the string "OT" in the subject header). > I pray that the Holy Spirit will soften your heart so that you can > feel the love, compassion, and forgiveness from the One who created > you. I also pray that you'll find the rest you're seeking in the > loving arms of God the Father. > > Brad. You sound like a preacher-in-a-can (most people call them "televangelists"). Telling someone "you'll be in my prayers" when they have a different viewpoint than you makes you really come off sounding self-righteous and kind of like, well, a jackass. For example: -------- [Scene: Kubuntu mailing list. A full moon eerily glows as Andrew, hunched over his keyboard, responds to an email.] On March 32, 1594 Brad said: >Vi is so totally better than suckmacs. Brad, you'll be in my prayers. I pray that RMS will turn your eyes upon the error of your ways and bring you into his cushy and rainbow-colored Lisp Land to make your cold, sinful heart holy. I weep tears of blood every night that your dark soul may come clean again... Andrew -- Kubuntu-Lusers Mailing List Blah Blah Random link to unsubscribe that no one can ever find -------- See!? That was exaggerated, but I sounded like a complete jackass! Andrew P.S. I'm just being honest (something your religion would probably encourage). -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 16:07:31 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:07:31 -0300 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> <200801211506.05802.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080121130731.g2gb4phaocoookc0@mail.bensa.ar> Quoting Donn : >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > I gotta know, what does that block mean? I've seen it around and it always > puzzles me. Is it a version of brainfuck? Or some ascii-art? > Too lazy to http://www.google.com/search?q=geek+code ? Regards, Norberto ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 16:10:03 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:10:03 -0500 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> <200801211506.05802.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801210810x79cd6f51ia1eb8ade2a262b9b@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/08, Donn wrote: > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > I gotta know, what does that block mean? I've seen it around and it always > puzzles me. Is it a version of brainfuck? Or some ascii-art? > > \d I believe it dates back to 19th Century Egypt during the rule of the feared King Muhutmatan (the one that had those pointy things built). Although its true meaning is yet to be deciphered, it can be roughly translated as: "Screw cats! In hindsight (hindsight is in the subjunctive transitive here: "---)@ 5 X") penguins are much more awesome!". Seriously though, I think it is a PGP key ("Pretty Good Privacy"), but I'm not really sure. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 16:16:32 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:16:32 -0500 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <20080121130731.g2gb4phaocoookc0@mail.bensa.ar> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <47940590.3010007@knology.net> <200801211506.05802.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080121130731.g2gb4phaocoookc0@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801210816h3364d294s35e1d4f050f709d5@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/08, Norberto Bensa wrote: > Quoting Donn : > > >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > I gotta know, what does that block mean? I've seen it around and it always > > puzzles me. Is it a version of brainfuck? Or some ascii-art? > > > > Too lazy to http://www.google.com/search?q=geek+code ? > > Regards, > Norberto Wow. Guess I was wrong. Go figure. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Mon Jan 21 16:40:19 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:40:19 +0100 Subject: totally not OT - understanding netiquette In-Reply-To: <1950520.sRSD5FSk5v@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801211502.29414.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1950520.sRSD5FSk5v@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801211740.19745.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Monday 21 January 2008 15:10:54 Derek Broughton wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > On Monday 21 January 2008 00:32:05 John Jeleaskov wrote: > >> I finck you right about reading Bible in original language. For exampe: > >> * > > > > It still doesn't belong here. Take it elsewhere. > > Please don't try to be a cop. Yes it's OT, but it'll die on its own. No, it doesn't. See below for proof. And that "cop" thing actually annoys me, this is something list moderators should take care of. It deosn't belong here, colon. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 21 16:54:31 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:54:31 +0100 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4794CE47.1030703@free.fr> good answer :) Brad De Vries wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 1:55 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Probably going to make a few enemies here. >> >> First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written >> by God. >> > ... > > > Billie, it's clear that you are simply trolling here and I won't bite > but I will simply say that you are in my prayers. > > I pray that the Holy Spirit will soften your heart so that you can > feel the love, compassion, and forgiveness from the One who created > you. I also pray that you'll find the rest you're seeking in the > loving arms of God the Father. > > Brad. > > From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jan 21 17:05:47 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:05:47 +0100 Subject: @kde.desktop Message-ID: <4794D0EB.1000806@free.fr> i have @kde.desktop in xsessions i wanted to add kde4.desktop but when i cp @kde... in kde4... i still have @kde4... is @ a link ? how can i get read of it ? because when i modify @kde @kde4 modifies too which i don't want !!! thanks From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 17:44:02 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:44:02 -0500 Subject: Terminal Window Message-ID: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> when using the terminal (commandline) is there a way to store commands, like a bookmark ? instead of re-typing them in, all the time. Thanks, in Advance, Richard From DayWalker5192 at gmx.net Mon Jan 21 17:53:05 2008 From: DayWalker5192 at gmx.net (Rene) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:53:05 +0100 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4794DC01.8040803@gmx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard wrote: > when using the terminal (commandline) is there a way to store commands, > like a bookmark ? instead of re-typing them in, all the time. > try "history" just type it in your commandline and ARROW UP in the same session > Thanks, in Advance, > Richard > hope that will help greetz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlNwBGf4x83pPwTsRArU2AKCqRLRNeVbFdvE78rHH1FXJmg1I7ACguo68 wc/Lx4xv23udMo5N6ihFmd0= =/6Aj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Mon Jan 21 15:45:51 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:45:51 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <4794B6F6.9070903@mike-leone.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <880dece00801200200s2598530auba3101a4ef95318d@mail.gmail.com> <325262320801200852r74b60993g3e5b5102cf51e368@mail.gmail.com> <200801201310.27932.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <1355487.4HZFfGY18t@cedar.serverforest.com> <4794B6F6.9070903@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <20080121154638.9F02812883B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 15:15 21/01/2008, you wrote: >Why? What will you do, if he does? I'm just curious, you understand. Insertion of the three lines :0 * ^From.*whoeverheis at example.com /dev/null into the procmailrc file would do the job very nicely indeed I think. Could also include an auto reply just to tell the poster that his message had been dumped, but I wouldn't do that sort of thing... D From DayWalker5192 at gmx.net Mon Jan 21 17:56:18 2008 From: DayWalker5192 at gmx.net (Rene) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:56:18 +0100 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4794DCC2.6060702@gmx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 sorry...another tip: Try this: !mou It will run the last command on your history that begins with mou (maybe mount /mnt/cdrom). It's like Ms-DOS doskey when pressing F8. All your last commands are stored on your home directory on a file named: .bash_history cat ~/.bash_history How many commands are stored there? It's controlled by HISTSIZE variable, to see it: export To change it: export HISTSIZE=5000 to store 5000 commands. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlNzCGf4x83pPwTsRAgkfAKCre/9mVTP8qkM7knu2Pq7O1IbMNwCeNnM3 oGkHqMzkGD1IOVCHyrjKhuY= =OZR3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whegge at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 17:56:47 2008 From: whegge at gmail.com (Wes Hegge) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:56:47 -0600 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Several way I can think to do this. First is history. Linux keeps a history of your commands. You can do 'history | grep ' this will give you a numbered list of previous commands. You then can do '!' to execute that command again. The other way is to use aliases. This you would make in the .bashrc or whatever shell system you are using configuration's file is called. Here is an example: alias rm='rm -i' So maybe something like: alias t_auth='tail -f /var/log/auth.log' There has to be other ways too. The great thing about the 2 above is that they do not rely on a specific terminal program or desktop environment. They do rely on the user you are logging in as though. Wes On Jan 21, 2008 11:44 AM, Richard wrote: > when using the terminal (commandline) is there a way to store commands, > like a bookmark ? instead of re-typing them in, all the time. > > Thanks, in Advance, > Richard > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Wes Hegge - If the phone rings. Its not me. -- Jimmy Buffet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <880dece00801202302r1530eb88gb1d0925298972592@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <1200881690.4794001a70ca2@www.paradise.net.nz> <880dece00801202302r1530eb88gb1d0925298972592@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801211836.59837.spwhite@freesurf.ch> LOL, that's a good one. Since I'm *exeptionnaly* top-posting, try to guess what I found so funny. My 2 "centimes" is top posting may be OK when you only expect one simple reply, as "Thanks for invitation, I will come". *In any other case it becomes a nightmare.* Your reply may look good when you write it, but how can anyone add to it without creating havock? Whorst of all is mixing top and bottom posting, therefore letting everybody decide how they want to reply is as insane as letting them decide on which side of the road they want to drive. It is just not fit for this type of list. The only way I can conceive is the answer comes after the question, that is middle posting, and bottom posting is a special case of it. Now I'm goint to shout, I know it's forbidden but it stresses some parts of the text better than "*...*", and today I feel like trangressing. Saying that it should all be done backwards BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO SCROLL DOWN is expecting EVERYBODY to remember the thread to such a point THEY WON'T HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN in order to read the question you answered, BUT THEN WHY QUOTE IT? Of course you have to trim the quoted text, that will make reading easier for people like Ron and his handeld device (even my scroll mouse wheel overheats sometimes). Cheers Perry On Monday 21 January 2008 08:02, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 21/01/2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: (snip) > > Your article on merits of top versus bottom is very old fashioned and I > > would guess it was written before things like Wireless conenctions and > > handhelds etc. > > So was the Bible, and if you've been following this thread, you'd know > that people are still adhering to it as if it were religion. -- BOFH excuse #335: the AA battery in the wallclock sends magnetic interference From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Jan 21 18:06:34 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:06:34 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <1475190.L31omYWVVG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801182130.35470.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <1475190.L31omYWVVG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801211906.34871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 19 January 2008 19:33, Derek Broughton wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: (snip) > > If a set has only one element the set is the same as the element, right? > No. I'm arguing that KDE 4 is not a set at all. We all expect it to become one. (snip) > > should the definition of the version change, from not-container to > > container, "at this time", when a new revision is added? > > Not at all. KDE 4 is a desktop environment. It is synonymous (that's > English, not Math) with KDE 4.0.0. But in another sense, yes, it _will_ > change with time. (snip) > There will come a time when there's a KDE 4.1 and a KDE 4.0, then you might speak of KDE4 as a "set" It would be strange that a mathemetician can hold the notion that something only becomes a set as elements are added into it, what about the empty set? But I guess that is not what you are saying. You claim we still don't know what KDE4 is, and that we have no authority yet to call it a set, impossible to disprove. Then it is just my feeling/expectation that KDE4 is/will-become a set. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #233: TCP/IP UDP alarm threshold is set too low From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Jan 21 18:33:06 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:33:06 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801191514i53c65377v1c787e714314e200@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801180717l1967ea2akd9a4188aff32c5a3@mail.gmail.com> <4792830C.3000202@swbell.net> <880dece00801191514i53c65377v1c787e714314e200@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801211933.06442.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Sunday 20 January 2008 00:14, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > > It's an OLD saying sort of rephrased. The pot calling the kettle black. > > Refers to the black soot that collected on the pots and pans in the old > > wood burning days. > > Still happens to me with one stubborn gas burner that's letting too > much O2 in. I can't figure out how to tune the damn thing. That defies my notions of chemistry. A sooting flame denotes a lack of O2, not an excess of it. HTH Perry P.S. I'm not religious, but I'm always amazed how the randomly selected BOFH excuses match the topic, just like a WeGe board. -- BOFH excuse #322: Your Pentium has a heating problem - try cooling it with ice cold water (Do not turn off your computer, you do not want to cool down the Pentium Chip while he isn't working, do you?) From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Jan 21 18:44:19 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:44:19 +0100 Subject: OT: Removal of Ogg Vorbis and Theora from HTML5 In-Reply-To: <47943B16.3020003@rmk.co.il> References: <47943B16.3020003@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801211944.19780.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 21 January 2008 07:26, Nigel Ridley wrote: (snip) > I have just read and signed the online petition: > > "Use free standards" Just for info, I got that today in my mail from SIUG (swiss internet user group : siug-discuss at siug.ch), so that petition has perhaps already gained some momentum. > > hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition > service, at: > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/lortow3/ > > I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might > agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider > signing yourself. > > Let's fight for our future.... (snip) Greetings Perry From jussi01 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 19:01:39 2008 From: jussi01 at gmail.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:01:39 +0200 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0801211055v21e55f90w5ef92bbb984120eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <3dde113c0801211055v21e55f90w5ef92bbb984120eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2008 8:55 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 12:56 PM, Wes Hegge wrote: > > > Several way I can think to do this. > > > > First is history. > > > > > The other way is to use aliases. > > > > Another way is to write a script and put it in /usr/local/bin so everyone > can use it. > > I do this with complicated backups and the like. > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Also, the history is usually available through pressing the up arrow. Jussi From kassube at gmx.net Mon Jan 21 20:26:20 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:26:20 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <200801211906.34871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <1475190.L31omYWVVG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801211906.34871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801212126.20986.kassube@gmx.net> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Then it is just my > feeling/expectation that KDE4 is/will-become a set. I would prefer if it becomes useable :) Nils From kassube at gmx.net Mon Jan 21 20:28:44 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:28:44 +0100 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <3dde113c0801211055v21e55f90w5ef92bbb984120eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801212128.45018.kassube@gmx.net> Jussi Schultink wrote: > Also, the history is usually available through pressing the up arrow. And don't forget typing CTRL-R and some part of the command. Nils From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 20:35:58 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:35:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: KDE4 Plasmoids In-Reply-To: <2759cf860801210632pbd92673ub6f808aa68c3ef44@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860801210632pbd92673ub6f808aa68c3ef44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I was just reading the KDE 4.0 review on Ars Techinica and noticed > that they had a couple plasmoids I hadn't seen. Does anyone know > where to download the system monitor, network or twitter plasmoids? I > tried looking through kde-look.org or kde-apps.org (as well as a few > dozen google searches), but I can't seem to find any downloads. Try installing: extregear-plasma. That has a whole bunch of other plasmoids. Jonathan From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 20:54:17 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:54:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: KDE4 Plasmoids In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860801210632pbd92673ub6f808aa68c3ef44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Jonathan Patrick Davies wrote: > Try installing: extregear-plasma. Hmm, typo, that's extragear-plasma Jonathan From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 21:20:57 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:57 -0500 Subject: KDE4 Plasmoids In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860801210632pbd92673ub6f808aa68c3ef44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860801211320t2d15f6e2l43817af25c269fe8@mail.gmail.com> Nice thanks. On Jan 21, 2008 3:54 PM, Jonathan Patrick Davies wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Jonathan Patrick Davies wrote: > > Try installing: extregear-plasma. > > Hmm, typo, that's extragear-plasma > > > Jonathan > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 21:22:36 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:22:36 -0500 Subject: Video out to LCD In-Reply-To: <200801190653.20495.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <479136B0.6050304@sbcglobal.net> <200801190653.20495.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47950D1C.7030802@sbcglobal.net> Donn wrote: >> What settings do I change to get Kubuntu to work ? >> > Compare the /etc/X11/xorg.conf files from both systems. Be sure to backup your > kubuntu one before changing it... > > \d > > > I have been working on it but with no results. I changed the Sections Monitor, Screen, video Device , the same as Fedora 8 that is working fine. Below is my xorg.conf -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf URL: From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 01:03:19 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:03:19 -0500 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801201108.35363.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <200801212003.19406.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 20 January 2008 15:40:07 Mike Shaw wrote: > ROFL > > On Jan 20, 2008 2:08 PM, Richard S. Crawford > > wrote: > > On Sunday 20 January 2008 10:55:14 Billie Walsh wrote: > > > Probably going to make a few enemies here. > > > > > > First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written > > > by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. > > > The Bible is very much a work of man. Different books were chosen for > > > inclusion or exclusion by how certain people felt they were relevant. > > > > ...etc... > > > > I think the most pertinent question here is, "What does the Bible say > > about > > Linux and Kubuntu?" > > > > The answer is found in the last chapter of Exodus, wherein we find the > > following: > > > > And behold, Erijabahanibar did speak unto the Israelites and he did give > > unto > > them a new commandment which was that thou shalt not talk about thy gods > > in > > an electronic mailing list dedicated to open source technologies, unless > > thy > > god be Linux Torvalds, Mark Shuttleworth.... and so on. Ramen. (Exodus > > 45:1-3, 9 - FSMV) > > > > Powerful words, and still applicable even today, whatever your faith. > > > > > > > > -- > > Richard S. Crawford > > Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > > Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Hear, hear!! From gianluca.cerminara at cern.ch Tue Jan 22 00:55:46 2008 From: gianluca.cerminara at cern.ch (Gianluca Cerminara) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:55:46 -0600 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <200801212128.45018.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <3dde113c0801211055v21e55f90w5ef92bbb984120eb@mail.gmail.com> <200801212128.45018.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <47953F12.4010109@cern.ch> Nils Kassube wrote: > Jussi Schultink wrote: >> Also, the history is usually available through pressing the up arrow. > > And don't forget typing CTRL-R and some part of the command. > > > Nils > In the tcsh shell ESC+P will complete what you are typing with the last matching command in the history. Hope this helps, G From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 01:06:15 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:06:15 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Kubuntu, was Re: KDE 4.0.0! In-Reply-To: <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <1200863119.4793b78f5560c@www.paradise.net.nz> <880dece00801201319h77c2d87egde1866ada1c2e3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801212006.15399.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Sensitive trigger!! On Sunday 20 January 2008 16:19:39 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 20/01/2008, ronw at paradise.net.nz wrote: > > What is really interesting is that I now understand the discussion about > > top/bottom posting so much better. I recently acquired a Blackberry but > > it applies to any mail enabled hadheld device. > > Bottom posting is so annoying. The recent emails on religion (yes I know > > they are not relevant to this group) but the majority were bottom posted > > and it is a real pain to get to the relevant detail of each message when > > you have to first have to wade through heaps of >>>>> lines of stuff that > > you read earlier to get to the crux of message. > > I can now understand why so many people are so vociferous about how silly > > bottom posting is. One of the list members even has a tag line extolling > > the virtures of bottom posting. > > Give a reader some credit for intelligence and allow that what most > > people want is the message. If they are lost and want to know what > > triggered the message they can read back by subject. > > And before everyone dives in and blames my method of reading mail I think > > hand held devices are the way of the future. > > Lets all switch to top posting > > There is already another thread on the topic, and although this thread > is way OT, don't make it worse. You are now crossposting threads, > something that the same usenet oldtimers who bash you for top posting, > will bash you for. > > If you don't like the way that your device handles email, then file a > bug with the device's manufacturer or buy a different device. Don't > try to change conventions that are logical in all but your corner case > because the manufacturer of your device did not program it to your > liking. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From nadreck at palain.com Tue Jan 22 02:13:52 2008 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:13:52 -0500 Subject: KDE 4 messed up my Kubuntu machine Message-ID: <47955160.1000805@palain.com> I don't know what is the root cause, but after installing KDE4 on one of my machines, the font for every system window is microscopic. I've tried changing the screen resolution, but that is not the problem, and changing it does not help. I've also tried increasing the size of the the fonts in System Settings - Appearance - Fonts, but that does not seem to have any effect either. Any ideas on how I can undo this? I wanted to check out KDE 4, but even when I switched back to KDE 3.5 everything stayed screwed up. I'd be happy at this point just ot get back to a usable KDE 3.5. Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 "Ninety-nine per cent of the people in the world are fools and the rest of us are in great danger of contagion." --Thornton Wilder From jjesse at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 02:24:50 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:24:50 -0500 Subject: laptop freezing? Message-ID: I thought this might be a kde4 related problem so I opened up the bug there, but might be having more difficulties as I'm having the issues running kde3 or perhaps its all related. Anyways I am running 7.10 on my Dell Latitude D830 and every now and then the entire laptop seems to freeze. I see no hard drive activity thought the wifi light still flashes. I am able to ping the box and also SSH into the system, but I can't do a Ctl+Alt+Backspace to restart X or when I ssh into the system I am unable to reboot the system. Any ideas? Any files I can post to hlp out debugging this problem? 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Amos 3:7 (KJV) -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://www.mindofsauron.blogspot.com/ From stew.schneider at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 03:47:53 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:47:53 -0500 Subject: HP 6510 and (sigh) wireless Message-ID: <47956769.7060506@gmail.com> I'm configuring a new HP 6510 for one of my non-profits. My local net runs WPA Personal with a shared network key and a hidden (non-broadcast) essid. Network manager sees no wireless networks. After a couple of failed attempts, I booted into a Live CD and clicked on Network manager. I got a neat drop down with network (I had changed my network to broadcast essid) and my neighbor's, complete with power bars . Back to booting off the hard drive, and the only alternative I get is "manual configuration". I edited /etc/network/interfaces to be auto lo iface lo inet loopback address 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp auto eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp auto eth2 iface eth2 inet dhcp auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp Now, I still get no drop-down of wireless nets, but I can configure to my local net. However, I don't connect -- it seems that the passphrase is not being accepted. The router's settings are TKIP, but there is no such setting in Network Manager that I can see. Any help? stew From stew.schneider at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 04:04:51 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:04:51 -0500 Subject: HP 6510 and (sigh) wireless RESOLVE Message-ID: <47956B63.30801@gmail.com> Never mind. I got it. Re-write /etc/network/interfaces with just the loopback. I wonder if this is a bug? stew From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jan 22 04:15:45 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:15:45 -0600 Subject: OT - Understanding "The Bible" In-Reply-To: References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <47956DF1.5000403@swbell.net> Chris Miller wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 10:55 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Probably going to make a few enemies here. >> >> First. Contrary to what some people believe, the Bible was not written >> by God. He did not sit down at his royal typewriter and pound it out. >> > > Amos 3:7 (KJV) > > Read the whole chapter. Taking one verse out of context does nothing. >From Clarke's Commentary: Amos 3:1: CHAPTER III This chapter begins with reproving the twelve tribes in general, 1, 2; and then particularly the kingdom of Israel, whose capital was Samaria. The prophet assures them that, while they were at variance with God, it would be unreasonable in them to expect his presence or favour, 3-8. Other neighboring nations are then called upon to take warning from the judgments about to be inflicted upon the house of Israel, which would be so general that only a small remnant should escape them, 9-15. The image used by the prophet on this occasion, (see Am 3:12,) and borrowed from his former calling, is very natural and significant, and not a little dignified by the inspired writer's lofty air and manner. NOTES ON CHAP. III Verse 1. Against the whole family] That is, all, both the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. In this all the twelve tribes are included. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 19:25:57 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:25:57 +0200 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <20080121130731.g2gb4phaocoookc0@mail.bensa.ar> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080121130731.g2gb4phaocoookc0@mail.bensa.ar> Message-ID: <200801212125.57269.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Too lazy to http://www.google.com/search?q=geek+code ? Yes. And thanks to a power cut, offline again :( This is in my 'send when you can' box. \d -- I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -- Susan B. Anthony Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 19:27:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:27:59 +0200 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801210810x79cd6f51ia1eb8ade2a262b9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801211741.08267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9bed467e0801210810x79cd6f51ia1eb8ade2a262b9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801212127.59258.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > "Screw cats! In hindsight (hindsight is in the > subjunctive transitive here: "---)@ 5 X") penguins are much more > awesome!". :) It makes perfect sense now. *Homer-like forehead slap* :D > 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 And your own mystical invocation? And yes, I'm too lazy to fire-up Python and de-rot13-hex-asciify this puppy. \d -- Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. -- Isaac Asimov (attributed: source unknown) Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 05:59:08 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:59:08 +0200 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <200801212128.45018.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801212128.45018.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200801220759.08647.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > And don't forget typing CTRL-R and some part of the command. A bit more info on this one: Type a few chars of the command, hit Ctrl-R it will pull up a match. Hitting Ctrl-R again (and again) will go through other matches, then any other key will let you edit it, or enter will run it. \d -- I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -- Susan B. Anthony Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Jan 22 06:02:54 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:02:54 +0200 Subject: laptop freezing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4795870E.8080705@rmk.co.il> Jonathan Jesse wrote: > I thought this might be a kde4 related problem so I opened up the bug there, > but might be having more difficulties as I'm having the issues running kde3 > or perhaps its all related. Anyways I am running 7.10 on my Dell Latitude > D830 and every now and then the entire laptop seems to freeze. I see no > hard drive activity thought the wifi light still flashes. I am able to ping > the box and also SSH into the system, but I can't do a Ctl+Alt+Backspace to > restart X or when I ssh into the system I am unable to reboot the system. > Any ideas? Any files I can post to hlp out debugging this problem? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > > How old is the laptop? I had a quite a few seemingly unrelated problems on an older Compaq box; in the end it was the hard disk dying :-( Worth checking..... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From roger at rogerchrisman.com Tue Jan 22 07:44:50 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:44:50 -0800 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Desktop went blank on my other Kubuntu 7.10 computer after routine Adept update tonight. After reboot it now has no desktop icons, no task bar, no context menu. Nothing but a blue desktop image and a white cursor arrow. Rebooting again doesn't fix it. Same for both original user desktop and the additional user's desktop I have on that computer. What happened? _What I did Tonight I did a routine update on that computer (a six year old AMD Athlon i386 ATX with 1G ram and Kubuntu 7.10) via Adept. I didn't look at what was updated, just updated everything that was available. It had been a couple weeks since the last update. Everything seemed to update fine. So I quite Adept and rebooted. _Problem Now when I boot up that computer and log into either user (I have 2 on that box), the KDE "Loading Desktop Settings" seems to stall -- login waits at that point for about 30 to 60 seconds, then proceeds to a blank desktop with _only_ the blue-and-curved-lines desk image and a white cursor arrow. The mouse moves the arrow around but left, right and middle click do nothing. No context menu appears. My desktop icons are gone. No task bar at all. Alt+F1 does not bring any task bar up, either. Any ideas what happened? How can recover my normal desktop settings and get back to normal on that computer? Thanks, Roger From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 08:21:58 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:21:58 +0100 Subject: laptop freezing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801220921.58761.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 22 January 2008 03:24:50 Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Anyways I am running 7.10 on my > Dell Latitude D830 and every now and then the entire laptop seems to > freeze. I see no hard drive activity thought the wifi light still flashes. > I am able to ping the box and also SSH into the system, but I can't do a > Ctl+Alt+Backspace to restart X or when I ssh into the system I am unable to > reboot the system. Any ideas? > Any files I can post to hlp out debugging > this problem? Can you see the system log while you ssh into your machine? It could be interesting to see what happens just before the freeze, but chances are you wouldn't find anything relevant. Anyway, it looks as if this is related to a nasty bug that has made is way in k/ubuntu soon after the last nvidia update (D830 has a nvidia card, right?) when gutsy became release. Have e look at these: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587905 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585714 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145112 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/157777 And see if you think that what you got sounds similar. In my case I had this bug on my desktop, but not on my laptop. I solved it by installing the new nvidia driver http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_169.09.html This can be achieved manually or, in a smooth and easy way, via envy http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html Before doing all that above, make sure you are reasonably thinking this fix should fix your freezes. -- lanzen From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 08:47:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:47:51 +0200 Subject: KDE 4 messed up my Kubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <47955160.1000805@palain.com> References: <47955160.1000805@palain.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801220047o37c5874dic0c90a843c300e6b@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > I don't know what is the root cause, but after installing KDE4 on one of > my machines, the font for every system window is microscopic. I've tried > changing the screen resolution, but that is not the problem, and > changing it does not help. I've also tried increasing the size of the > the fonts in System Settings - Appearance - Fonts, but that does not > seem to have any effect either. Any ideas on how I can undo this? I > wanted to check out KDE 4, but even when I switched back to KDE 3.5 > everything stayed screwed up. I'd be happy at this point just ot get > back to a usable KDE 3.5. > > Thank you, I'm not sure what the problem might be, but those who do would probably be more inclined to read the same message with a subject such as: "Tiny fonts in KDE 3.x after installation of 4.x" Not everyone reads _every_ message, rather, we filter by subject the threads that interest us and those that we think that we can help on. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kassube at gmx.net Tue Jan 22 10:44:00 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:44:00 +0100 Subject: understanding "kubuntu users mailing list" In-Reply-To: <200801212127.59258.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <9bed467e0801210810x79cd6f51ia1eb8ade2a262b9b@mail.gmail.com> <200801212127.59258.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801221144.00766.kassube@gmx.net> Donn wrote: > > 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 > > And your own mystical invocation? And yes, I'm too lazy to fire-up > Python and de-rot13-hex-asciify this puppy. How about this? Nils From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 22 11:23:26 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:23:26 +1100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions Message-ID: <4795D22E.3040306@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, The charter of the list is as follows: "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) - From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. Please do not abuse this. Hobbsee (one of the list administrators) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHldIu7/o1b30rzoURAhNiAKC/RW0x/vxJ8hPLKVwopl/yFOt+pACfZE0t OUpR/PN3NvOtKDYLodEoXDg= =24rE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kassube at gmx.net Tue Jan 22 11:25:27 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:25:27 +0100 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <200801220759.08647.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801212128.45018.kassube@gmx.net> <200801220759.08647.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801221225.27242.kassube@gmx.net> Donn wrote: > Type a few chars of the command, hit Ctrl-R it will pull up a match. > Hitting Ctrl-R again (and again) will go through other matches, then > any other key will let you edit it, or enter will run it. Nearly - first hit CTRL-R, then type a few chars of the command. The rest is fine. Nils From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 11:35:32 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:35:32 +0100 Subject: laptop freezing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801221235.32981.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 22 January 2008 03:24:50 Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Anyways I am running 7.10 on my > Dell Latitude D830 and every now and then the entire laptop seems to > freeze. I see no hard drive activity thought the wifi light still flashes. > I am able to ping the box and also SSH into the system, but I can't do a > Ctl+Alt+Backspace to restart X or when I ssh into the system I am unable to > reboot the system. Any ideas? > Any files I can post to hlp out debugging > this problem? Can you see the system log while you ssh? It could be interesting to see what happens just before the freeze, but, unfortunally, chances are you wouldn't find anything relevant. Anyway, it looks as if this is related to a nasty bug that has made its way in k/ubuntu soon after the last nvidia update (D830 has a nvidia card, right?) when gutsy became release. So you might get a picture of the situation by reading these: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587905 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585714 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145112 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/157777 and see if you think that what you got sounds similar. In my case I had this bug on my desktop, but not on my laptop. I solved it by installing the new nvidia driver http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_169.09.html This can be achieved manually or, in a smooth and easy way, via envy: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html -- lanzen From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 22 11:29:24 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:29:24 +1100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions Message-ID: <4795D394.80005@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, The charter of the list is as follows: "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) - From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. Please do not abuse this. Hobbsee (one of the list administrators) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHldOU7/o1b30rzoURArGTAJ4+6SfuWOLJ+SE+LaXhgkM04VWgtQCdG5C0 tBqWs1L9A0+NwEveTHwFp1g= =wkFy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 22 11:53:08 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:53:08 +1100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions Message-ID: <4795D924.9010201@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, The charter of the list is as follows: "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) - From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. Please do not abuse this. Hobbsee (one of the list administrators) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHldkk7/o1b30rzoURAqtPAJ40JFwy7OhF7I703Gc2kvQ3X3R4VwCgmzHq 1dRM2GR+aRlj+2wfPIo4cbY= =m9CD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 22 12:07:12 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:12 +1100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions Message-ID: <4795DC70.4090407@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, The charter of the list is as follows: "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) - From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. Please do not abuse this. Hobbsee (one of the list administrators) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHldxw7/o1b30rzoURAsKnAJ4/9dsKL0A2Z7r2f6KYmwjKmTHzGwCgxCnq bzzgbC0NAEMqDiZ1GWNJUAs= =TOYp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 22 13:45:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:45:54 -0400 Subject: HP 6510 and (sigh) wireless RESOLVE References: <47956B63.30801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3749094.rJ7Zj02gg7@cedar.serverforest.com> Stew Schneider wrote: > Never mind. I got it. Re-write /etc/network/interfaces with just the > loopback. I wonder if this is a bug? > No, this is a feature. The Network-manager packagers (this didn't used to be in upstream, though I don't know if it's still true) wanted a way for the user to be able to say "don't handle this device". The simple solution was "don't handle any interface in the interfaces files". Now, if only that was clearly documented, instead of everybody having to google or ask here to find out... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 22 13:48:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:48:10 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.0.0! References: <975FA22BA8ECCE40A2972E6956434C640142BAB2@s1cn1stmex01.cnh1.cnhgroup.cnh.com> <200801182130.35470.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <1475190.L31omYWVVG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801211906.34871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <3271245.JC2ThB46D0@cedar.serverforest.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2008 19:33, Derek Broughton wrote: > > There will come a time when there's a KDE 4.1 and a KDE 4.0, then you > > might speak of KDE4 as a "set" > It would be strange that a mathemetician can hold the notion that > something only becomes a set as elements are added into it, You're not listening. I said I don't really accept the idea that it can be mathematically defined as a set. But you snipped that part... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 22 13:57:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:57:44 -0400 Subject: Terminal Window References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <3dde113c0801211055v21e55f90w5ef92bbb984120eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6570527.oPrKtI8gI3@cedar.serverforest.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 12:56 PM, Wes Hegge wrote: > >> Several way I can think to do this. >> >> First is history. > If the "Terminal" is konsole, history (and the ability to search it) is available from the edit menu. Konsole has a "Bookmarks" menu, but it's only for directories. It seems like a waste - if I bookmark /x/y/z, when I click on the bookmark it executes "cd /x/y/z", why not just let me bookmark either "cd /x/y/z" or "/x/y/z" and execute that? In fact, if you terminated the bookmarked command with a / it could assume it was a "cd" and so be compatible with the current bookmarks (which have trailing slashes). > >> The other way is to use aliases. >> > > Another way is to write a script and put it in /usr/local/bin so everyone > can use it. > > I do this with complicated backups and the like. Of course, script wizards do that with an alias :-) (which you could put in /etc/profile) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 22 13:59:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:59:43 -0400 Subject: totally not OT - understanding netiquette References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801211502.29414.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1950520.sRSD5FSk5v@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801211740.19745.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <8406305.cuUxnzOCnI@cedar.serverforest.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > On Monday 21 January 2008 15:10:54 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Dexter Filmore wrote: >> > On Monday 21 January 2008 00:32:05 John Jeleaskov wrote: >> >> I finck you right about reading Bible in original language. For >> >> exampe: * >> > >> > It still doesn't belong here. Take it elsewhere. >> >> Please don't try to be a cop. Yes it's OT, but it'll die on its own. > > No, it doesn't. See below for proof. > > And that "cop" thing actually annoys me, this is something list moderators > should take care of. > It deosn't belong here, colon. We don't have moderators, we shouldn't have moderators, and complaining about people perpetuating OT threads ONLY increases the likelihood of the continuation of the thread. The only way to kill a thread is to ignore it. As long as you keep demanding it stop, it'll continue. -- derek From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 14:30:19 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:00:19 +0530 Subject: adept and proxy Message-ID: <78323d480801220630o2f1462b3q56b0a0a7ab5fcd32@mail.gmail.com> I cannot get Adept Manager to work with system-wide proxy (by adding a few lines to bashrc), while apt and other programs have no problem. Is something special to done? Thanks A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Jan 22 15:03:02 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:03:02 +0200 Subject: dpkg error In-Reply-To: <1577576.60UXnH3uvT@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4790B85F.8020804@rmk.co.il> <1577576.60UXnH3uvT@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <479605A6.8020203@rmk.co.il> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I just installed a package on my daughter's Feisty box and whilst doing >> so, apt gave a message about unneeded packages which I could remove with >> 'apt-get autoremove'. The list included a bunch of games and linux >> headers. I took note of the games (so as to install them again - I wasn't >> sure if there were newer new-named packages or not) and didn't worry about >> the linux headers package as I have an older kernel installed - so I did >> as suggested. >> Everything was going OK until apt got to the linux headers and >> complained about not being able to remove a makefile inside the /nfsd >> dir - permission denied. >> I tried again after booting into the older kernel - no joy! >> I tried as root from the older kernel rescue mode - apt complained that >> it couldn't execute dpkg! >> >> I tried rebooting into the normal older kernel and now am stuck with: >> Could not exec dpkg! >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) >> >> Any ideas? I can't install or remove anything at the moment. > > Go back to the correct kernel, fix the permissions on the nfsd directory, > and try again. > > Why would you boot into a different kernel, when the answer was given to you > in the first try? The problem, and others that had begun to surface, was due to the hard disk failing :-( Thanks for the help anyway. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From jussi01 at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 15:53:32 2008 From: jussi01 at gmail.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:53:32 +0200 Subject: Recent off topic discussions Message-ID: On behalf of Hobbsee: Hey all, The charter of the list is as follows: "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) >From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. Please do not abuse this. Hobbsee (one of the list administrators) From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 17:57:17 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:57:17 -0500 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801220957k64a95dbet7924ef2438e3a6ac@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 2:44 AM, wrote: > Any ideas what happened? Not really. It looks like somehow the metapackage kubuntu-desktop could have been removed. > How can recover my normal desktop settings and get back to normal on > that computer? > > Thanks, > > Roger Try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I've never had this problem so this is just a shot in the dark. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From lists at ptfd.org Tue Jan 22 18:18:15 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:18:15 -0500 Subject: usb-tv tuner Message-ID: <200801221318.15645.lists@ptfd.org> I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. I cant find the module xc3028_tuner. Apparently part of v4l-dvb-expiremental, anyone know how to get this working? Mike From nixternal at kubuntu.org Tue Jan 22 18:28:38 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:28:38 -0600 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801221228.42328.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Can you copy and paste the output from the following command please: find /var/cache/apt/archives -mtime 0 Can you also paste the .xession-errors file located in your home directory ie. cat ~/.xsession-errors Thanks! -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:23:56 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:23:56 +0200 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479634BC.5090704@gmail.com> roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > Desktop went blank on my other Kubuntu 7.10 computer after routine > Adept update tonight. After reboot it now has no desktop icons, no > task bar, no context menu. Nothing but a blue desktop image and a > white cursor arrow. Rebooting again doesn't fix it. Same for both > original user desktop and the additional user's desktop I have on that > computer. > > What happened? > > _What I did > Tonight I did a routine update on that computer (a six year old AMD > Athlon i386 ATX with 1G ram and Kubuntu 7.10) via Adept. I didn't look > at what was updated, just updated everything that was available. It > had been a couple weeks since the last update. Everything seemed to > update fine. So I quite Adept and rebooted. > > _Problem > Now when I boot up that computer and log into either user (I have 2 on > that box), the KDE "Loading Desktop Settings" seems to stall -- login > waits at that point for about 30 to 60 seconds, then proceeds to a > blank desktop with _only_ the blue-and-curved-lines desk image and a > white cursor arrow. The mouse moves the arrow around but left, right > and middle click do nothing. No context menu appears. My desktop icons > are gone. No task bar at all. Alt+F1 does not bring any task bar up, > either. > > Any ideas what happened? > > How can recover my normal desktop settings and get back to normal on > that computer? Not that I know if it will help you but when I updated earlier today I noticed that x-server-xorg-core was updated. Maybe your settings in xorg.conf went bananas? There is a dpkg reconfigure something for that, google around a bit and see if you can find it. Sinclair From lists at ptfd.org Tue Jan 22 18:33:52 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:33:52 -0500 Subject: usb-tv tuner Message-ID: <200801221333.52361.lists@ptfd.org> I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. I cant find the module xc3028_tuner. Apparently part of v4l-dvb-expiremental, anyone know how to get this working? Mike From roger at rogerchrisman.com Tue Jan 22 19:11:32 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:11:32 -0800 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801221111q7964b8a6gd6cf4a24fdd46f77@mail.gmail.com> Fixed it! _Here's how: I logged into a *failsafe* session (Login screen > Menu icon (at bottom right) > Session type > Failsafe). Then I rebooted. Then I was able to log into a normal KDE session just fine. Desktop icons, KDE Panel, all restored to normal. Yeah! I don't know what had caused the problem but maybe the failsafe session login and logout washed the problem away, whatever it was. Roger On Jan 21, 2008 11:44 PM, wrote: > Desktop went blank on my other Kubuntu 7.10 computer after routine > Adept update tonight. After reboot it now has no desktop icons, no > task bar, no context menu. Nothing but a blue desktop image and a > white cursor arrow. Rebooting again doesn't fix it. Same for both > original user desktop and the additional user's desktop I have on that > computer. > > What happened? > > _What I did > Tonight I did a routine update on that computer (a six year old AMD > Athlon i386 ATX with 1G ram and Kubuntu 7.10) via Adept. I didn't look > at what was updated, just updated everything that was available. It > had been a couple weeks since the last update. Everything seemed to > update fine. So I quite Adept and rebooted. > > _Problem > Now when I boot up that computer and log into either user (I have 2 on > that box), the KDE "Loading Desktop Settings" seems to stall -- login > waits at that point for about 30 to 60 seconds, then proceeds to a > blank desktop with _only_ the blue-and-curved-lines desk image and a > white cursor arrow. The mouse moves the arrow around but left, right > and middle click do nothing. No context menu appears. My desktop icons > are gone. No task bar at all. Alt+F1 does not bring any task bar up, > either. > > Any ideas what happened? > > How can recover my normal desktop settings and get back to normal on > that computer? > > Thanks, > > Roger > From roger at rogerchrisman.com Tue Jan 22 19:40:57 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:40:57 -0800 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I can't see my own posts. I use Gmail.com to read my email now (because Bogofilter in Kmail was no longer even 90% effective at blocking spam but Gmail somehow is). I'm managing alright in Gmail *and* enjoying reading my mail on whatever computer I have handy, via the Web, instead of having to use IMAP or read it all on one computer. However, when I post to an email list sometimes I can't see my own post (except in my Gmail Sent Mail label). My recent post to Kubuntu-users, "I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank!" never showed up under my Kubuntu-users label where I have all Kubuntu-users posts go (I have a Gmail filter set up to label them "Kubuntu-users" and then archive them and skip the Inbox). All post to Kubuntu-users show up under my Gmail "Kubuntu-users" label, except my own posts... grr... Anyone know how I can fix this? I want to see my posts there so I will know they got posted. _If_ I post from my Gmail address which is _not_ subscribed to Kubuntu-users the "This message awaits moderator approval because it was posted from an address that is not subscribed to the list" notice shows up under my Gmail "Kubuntu-users" label (I'm not subscribed with my Gmail address and sometimes forget to change the From line to the one I am subscribed with). But when one of my own posts, posted correctly from my roger at rogerchrisman.com address that I am subscribed with, gets posted to Kubuntu-users, for some reason I can only find it in my Sent mail and in the Kubuntu-users list archive. Is there an option somewhere in Kubuntu-users or in Gmail that I can select to see my own posts? Thanks, Roger From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 19:56:57 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:56:57 +0200 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801222156.57267.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Did you install KDE4? it might be part of the picture. If you hit ctrl+alt+backspace, it should kill X and start it again. That might do something. Check your ~/.kde folder (and recursed) permissions. They might not be writeable/readable in places. You could rename ~/.kde to ~/.bloodyhell and then restart KDE (just kill X) and let kde remake it all for you. Is sounds like something is dying - you gotta find out what. You can check the ~/.xsession-errors file for clues. dmesg may give you something. Perhaps it's hardware that's failing. To get to a console, try Ctrl+Alt+F1. (or F2, F3 etc.) Rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as .dud run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to re-create it. That might help. Ctrl+Alt+F7 goes back to X. If all else fails then try to boot into non-gui mode. This is something I am fuzzy on. It's something like telinit 2 but I am unsure of the number. If you get it right it should take you to a console where you can start kde with startkde and watch for error messages. There are likely other logs you can find, none spring to mind now. Sorry for the list of rambling ideas - you gotta put your gear on and become Sherlock for a while. Good luck, keep us posted. \d -- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? -- Douglas Adams Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Tue Jan 22 19:48:18 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:48:18 +0100 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801222048.18720.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> tirsdag den 22. Januar 2008 kvad roger at rogerchrisman.com: > Any ideas what happened? No. > How can recover my normal desktop settings and get back to normal > on that computer? After you logged in, does typing Alt+F2 show you a window to run a command? If so, try running "kicker". Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From jjesse at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 21:35:20 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:35:20 -0500 Subject: laptop freezing? In-Reply-To: <200801220921.58761.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200801220921.58761.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 3:21 AM, lanzen wrote: > On Tuesday 22 January 2008 03:24:50 Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > Anyways I am running 7.10 on my > > Dell Latitude D830 and every now and then the entire laptop seems to > > freeze. I see no hard drive activity thought the wifi light still > flashes. > > I am able to ping the box and also SSH into the system, but I can't do > a > > Ctl+Alt+Backspace to restart X or when I ssh into the system I am unable > to > > reboot the system. Any ideas? > > Any files I can post to hlp out debugging > > this problem? > > Can you see the system log while you ssh into your machine? It could be > interesting to see what happens just before the freeze, but chances are > you > wouldn't find anything relevant. > > Anyway, it looks as if this is related to a nasty bug that has made is way > in > k/ubuntu soon after the last nvidia update (D830 has a nvidia card, > right?) > when gutsy became release. > > Have e look at these: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587905 > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585714 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145112 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/157777 > > And see if you think that what you got sounds similar. > > In my case I had this bug on my desktop, but not on my laptop. I solved it > by > installing the new nvidia driver > http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_169.09.html > > This can be achieved manually or, in a smooth and easy way, via envy > http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html > > Before doing all that above, make sure you are reasonably thinking this > fix > should fix your freezes. > > > -- > lanzen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Yes it is the D830 with the NVida card in it. I'll have to check those links when I'm not working . Thanks for the help, will update this post when I get a chance to try it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 23:38:17 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:38:17 -0800 Subject: Recent off topic discussions In-Reply-To: <4795D924.9010201@ubuntu.com> References: <4795D924.9010201@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 3:53 AM, Sarah Hobbs wrote: > Hey all, > > The charter of the list is as follows: > > "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For > topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. > > For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: > > https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" > > Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about > mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. > Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list > (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) > > - From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. > If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider > moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. > > The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. > Please do not abuse this. > > Hobbsee > (one of the list administrators) Yay admins! Here that you OT-ers (myself included)! From now on it's gonna be like a Jedi playing whack-a-mole! -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://www.mindofsauron.blogspot.com/ From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 23:53:46 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Recent off topic discussions In-Reply-To: <4795D22E.3040306@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <786155.43296.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. > If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. And that deserves a great big THANK YOU! Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 23 00:55:29 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:55:29 +1100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions In-Reply-To: <4795DC70.4090407@ubuntu.com> References: <4795DC70.4090407@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <47969081.3050303@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ack! My mail got delayed, instead of outright rejected, it appears. Sorry! Hobbsee -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlpCA7/o1b30rzoURAtawAJ9s5aezF3QUMEeKeSnhkQ6fafLwugCdF1s3 bsZxxzF5XntZbUFjoBxbh+8= =E390 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at ptfd.org Wed Jan 23 02:05:41 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:05:41 -0500 Subject: usb-tv tuner Message-ID: <200801222105.41261.lists@ptfd.org> I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. I cant find the module xc3028_tuner. Apparently part of v4l-dvb-expiremental, anyone know how to get this working? Mike From roger at rogerchrisman.com Wed Jan 23 02:55:27 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:55:27 -0800 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801221111q7964b8a6gd6cf4a24fdd46f77@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801221111q7964b8a6gd6cf4a24fdd46f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801221855t48c0d3d1xda2616e80f809d0c@mail.gmail.com> [I sent this 10 hours ago; I don't know why it has not shown up on the list yet so sending again. Thanks. /Roger] Fixed it! _Here's how: I logged into a *failsafe* session (Login screen > Menu icon (at bottom right) > Session type > Failsafe). Then I rebooted. Then I was able to log into a normal KDE session just fine. Desktop icons, KDE Panel, all restored to normal. Yeah! I don't know what had caused the problem but maybe the failsafe session login and logout washed the problem away, whatever it was. Roger From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Jan 23 03:22:32 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:22:32 -0500 Subject: usb-tv tuner In-Reply-To: <200801221318.15645.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801221318.15645.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801222222.32197.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 22 January 2008 1:18:15 pm Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. > I cant find the module xc3028_tuner. Apparently part of > v4l-dvb-expiremental, anyone know how to get this working? sorry I can't help you here, but this is weird, all this time I've been on this list I've never seen a question about TV cards or tuners. Whats so funny about it is I got me a new computer the other day and the TV card is recognized properly and all, but all the apps I've tried so far don't work. I just booted to windows for the first time since I got this computer and I was watching TV in 2 minutes flat. hopefully you and I can resolve our TV issues soon. -- David M. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 23 04:15:01 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:15:01 -0500 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801222315.01862.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 22 January 2008, roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > I can't see my own posts. Neither can anybody else who posts from GMail. It's GMail doing this. I think there is a workaround, and I may even be employing it, but I have no idea of the details at the moment. -- D. Michael McIntyre From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 04:43:03 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:43:03 +1100 Subject: Catch 22 Default Apps - Solution In-Reply-To: <47940C87.7040602@optusnet.com.au> References: <47919FDC.1030000@optusnet.com.au> <4791AE5B.30307@tiscali.co.uk> <47940C87.7040602@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4796C5D7.6040801@optusnet.com.au> The solution I found uses the the GUI System Settings > Default Apps. What I was missing was the pull down section of the text entry line - a box at the end with ... inside. This gives access to the various applications. Just select and it inserts the text, with extensions as required. Seems to work well with Firefox but not so good with Thunderbird. Clark. Clark wrote: > Wulfy wrote: >> Clark wrote: >> >>> I am in an difficult spot, when I use default applications (setup) in >>> System Settings to set email and Firefox it doesn't seem to work, so I >>> select the Help menu, this tells me there is no documentation for this >>> function, next I select the on line help, it doesn't give me a www >>> address, it tries to connect me (very nice if it did) but as it can't >>> find Firefox it kindly tells me so "can't find Firefox. >>> Can someone help me break out of this cycle? >>> >>> Clark. >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Jan 23 00:43:40 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:43:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: totally not OT - understanding netiquette In-Reply-To: <8406305.cuUxnzOCnI@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801211502.29414.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1950520.sRSD5FSk5v@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801211740.19745.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <8406305.cuUxnzOCnI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <40369.206.159.183.75.1201049020.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Derek Broughton wrote: > We don't have moderators, we shouldn't have moderators, and complaining > about people perpetuating OT threads ONLY increases the likelihood of the > continuation of the thread. The only way to kill a thread is to ignore it. > As long as you keep demanding it stop, it'll continue. While KUbuntu is a derivative of Ubuntu which is itself a derivative of Debian this list is not Debian-User. I think you're quite mistaken as to the cultural forgiveness of OT topics here. Furthermore, if the previous messages are any indication, you are also dead wrong about there not being any moderators. -- Steve Lamb From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 23 00:58:32 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:58:32 +1100 Subject: totally not OT - understanding netiquette In-Reply-To: <8406305.cuUxnzOCnI@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47939912.3000409@swbell.net> <200801211502.29414.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1950520.sRSD5FSk5v@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801211740.19745.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <8406305.cuUxnzOCnI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47969138.1080904@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Derek Broughton wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > >> On Monday 21 January 2008 15:10:54 Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Dexter Filmore wrote: >>>> On Monday 21 January 2008 00:32:05 John Jeleaskov wrote: >>>>> I finck you right about reading Bible in original language. For >>>>> exampe: * >>>> It still doesn't belong here. Take it elsewhere. >>> Please don't try to be a cop. Yes it's OT, but it'll die on its own. >> No, it doesn't. See below for proof. >> >> And that "cop" thing actually annoys me, this is something list moderators >> should take care of. >> It deosn't belong here, colon. > > We don't have moderators, we shouldn't have moderators, and complaining > about people perpetuating OT threads ONLY increases the likelihood of the > continuation of the thread. The only way to kill a thread is to ignore it. > As long as you keep demanding it stop, it'll continue. We do have moderators. They often moderate multiple lists, and don't read everything through. If the offtopic posts don't stop on this list, then i'll just moderate the entire list. I really hope to not have to do that, but this is getting ridiculous. Hobbsee -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlpE47/o1b30rzoURAi+XAJ0a2Ie1g68wAYovoeOaHgrmE5HaegCfS4xe JtBijb4B1kcgM+9HvM8SA/k= =l+2N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cpmcc at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 03:22:54 2008 From: cpmcc at optusnet.com.au (Clark) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:22:54 +1100 Subject: Canon Printer Problem - SOLUTION In-Reply-To: <20080118094507.325881287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> References: <47903FEC.6090205@optusnet.com.au> <20080118094507.325881287DD@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> Message-ID: <4796B30E.4070303@optusnet.com.au> David Fletcher wrote: > At 05:58 18/01/2008, you wrote: > > >> Hi I have set up my printer in Kubuntu 7.10 (Cannon i550) as Cannon 7100 >> foomatic is the only one on the printer list but it works perfectly well >> in the test page. However, will not print a thing from OOo Write. The >> Print Systems setting just shows the job in the job list as Error. >> >> Any suggestions?? >> >> Clark. >> > > > You may very well find that the consensus around here is that you > should go buy an Epson or HP. My old Stylus Photo 950 works very > nicely indeed. With an Epson you should be able to also use the > escputil package to do ink level checks, nozzle checks, head cleaning etc. > > My personal experience of Canon printers would suggest that the best > thing to do with one is to place it between the surfaces of a > hydraulic press and push the red button (demonstrated at the end of > Terminator) so that it occupies less space in the landfill. > > Dave > > > > Thanks Dave, I discovered that if I select the alternative driver - offered in the setup - for the Canon 8300 - my Canon i550 runs under CUPS just fine and it saves the risk of getting my fingers damaged in the Hydraulic Press. Not to mention some Dollars and hassle. 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Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 06:31:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:31:33 +0200 Subject: usb-tv tuner In-Reply-To: <200801222105.41261.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801222105.41261.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801230831.33871.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. Your mail arrived three times. I hope someone will be able to help you. \d -- He's completely unspoiled by failure. -- Noel Coward Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 06:54:05 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:54:05 +0200 Subject: I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted -- desktop is blank! In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801221855t48c0d3d1xda2616e80f809d0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801212344j1caa2d4es6be1ca2575ba1928@mail.gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801221111q7964b8a6gd6cf4a24fdd46f77@mail.gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801221855t48c0d3d1xda2616e80f809d0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801230854.05745.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > [I sent this 10 hours ago; I don't know why it has not shown up on the > list yet so sending again. Thanks. /Roger] Thanks - we got it. I also have trouble seeing my own posts to many lists. I rely on replies to know what's going on. Glad you got it working again! \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From roger at rogerchrisman.com Wed Jan 23 06:47:11 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:47:11 -0800 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801222247y705b4fe6tfec43b489bf886d5@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 11:40 AM, wrote: > Is there an option somewhere in Kubuntu-users or in Gmail that I can > select to see my own posts? Ug. Gmail creature feature I think; some *G*enius thought hiding my own posts from me a "convenience": http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588 So I'm not such a happy Gmail camper. I wish Google would make hiding my own mail optional. And also stop breaking threads on "Re:"! Here's another guy who had trouble with this: http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-POP-and-Forwarding/browse_thread/thread/8ec0bd265155bc57 Roger :-( From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 07:31:45 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:45 +0200 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <200801222315.01862.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801222315.01862.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801230931.46028.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > think there is a workaround, and I may even be employing it, but I have no > idea of the details at the moment. Unconscious genius :D Perhaps one can wire-up kmail to put one's sent mails into one's inbox so they are threaded in with the other emails? \d -- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 23 07:09:55 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:09:55 +0100 Subject: usb-tv tuner In-Reply-To: <200801221333.52361.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801221333.52361.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801230809.55863.kassube@gmx.net> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. > I cant find the module xc3028_tuner. Apparently part of > v4l-dvb-expiremental, anyone know how to get this working? If the driver is not included in the current kernel for your Ubuntu version, you can compile the latest drivers from linuxtv.org. See for instructions. Nils From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:10:05 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:10:05 +0300 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4796F65D.5060208@gmail.com> roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I can't see my own posts. > > I use Gmail.com to read my email now (because Bogofilter in Kmail was > no longer even 90% effective at blocking spam but Gmail somehow is). > I'm managing alright in Gmail *and* enjoying reading my mail on > whatever computer I have handy, via the Web, instead of having to use > IMAP or read it all on one computer. > > However, when I post to an email list sometimes I can't see my own > post (except in my Gmail Sent Mail label). My recent post to > Kubuntu-users, "I did Adept update on Kubuntu 7.10 tonight -- rebooted > -- desktop is blank!" never showed up under my Kubuntu-users label > where I have all Kubuntu-users posts go (I have a Gmail filter set up > to label them "Kubuntu-users" and then archive them and skip the > Inbox). All post to Kubuntu-users show up under my Gmail > "Kubuntu-users" label, except my own posts... grr... Anyone know how I > can fix this? I want to see my posts there so I will know they got > posted. > > _If_ I post from my Gmail address which is _not_ subscribed to > Kubuntu-users the "This message awaits moderator approval because it > was posted from an address that is not subscribed to the list" notice > shows up under my Gmail "Kubuntu-users" label (I'm not subscribed with > my Gmail address and sometimes forget to change the From line to the > one I am subscribed with). But when one of my own posts, posted > correctly from my roger at rogerchrisman.com address that I am subscribed > with, gets posted to Kubuntu-users, for some reason I can only find it > in my Sent mail and in the Kubuntu-users list archive. > > Is there an option somewhere in Kubuntu-users or in Gmail that I can > select to see my own posts? > > Thanks, > > Roger try to use another smtp server, not google's one From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 23 08:27:09 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:27:09 +1100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions In-Reply-To: <200801230650.24638.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <4795DC70.4090407@ubuntu.com> <200801230650.24638.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4796FA5D.8010903@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ulrich Grün wrote: > Am Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008 13:07:12 schrieb Sarah Hobbs: >> Hey all, >> >> The charter of the list is as follows: > > <--snipped the rest --> > > I've seen this mail for 5 times running into my mailbox within one hour. > Are we being spammed or has the moderator to be moderated as well? > Mailman decided to be extremely slow in showing my mail (by 3+ hours) - in either the moderation queue, or straight to the list. Usually non-subscriber mail gets sent to /dev/null, which was what I thought was happening during tesing. Apologies. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlvpc7/o1b30rzoURAu1aAJ93NZB9XyEba2msvHzsDnmRZGS7BwCg3oIA J8qp9aJKkeo6+3Sp0fbIoVs= =7B+J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 09:21:41 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:21:41 +0200 Subject: Recent off topic discussions In-Reply-To: <4795D394.80005@ubuntu.com> References: <4795D394.80005@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <47970725.5030809@gmail.com> Sarah Hobbs wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey all, > > The charter of the list is as follows: > > "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution. For > topics that also affect regular Ubuntu, please check the ubuntu-users list. > > For the current status of Kubuntu see the wiki page: > > https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu" > > Consequently, all the off topic discussions about the bible, and about > mailing list etiquette should not be occurring on this mailing list. > Some of it should probably go to the sounder mailing list > (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder) > > - From this point on, i'm moderating the threads that have gone off topic. > If new threads, or existing threads are taken off topic, I'll consider > moderating the entire list, which will make it slower. > > The aim of this list is to be a useful list to get Kubuntu support from. > Please do not abuse this. > > Hobbsee > (one of the list administrators) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHldOU7/o1b30rzoURArGTAJ4+6SfuWOLJ+SE+LaXhgkM04VWgtQCdG5C0 > tBqWs1L9A0+NwEveTHwFp1g= > =wkFy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > Thanks, sorry for the one-liner. Was getting truly fed up with nonsense mail on the list. Sinclair From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:52:43 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:52:43 +0000 Subject: usb-tv tuner In-Reply-To: <200801230809.55863.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200801221333.52361.lists@ptfd.org> <200801230809.55863.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200801230952.43774.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 07:09:55 Nils Kassube wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > I have a pinnacle pctv hd pro usb stick. > > I cant find the module xc3028_tuner. Apparently part of > > v4l-dvb-expiremental, anyone know how to get this working? > > If the driver is not included in the current kernel for your Ubuntu > version, you can compile the latest drivers from linuxtv.org. See > > for instructions. Before you try downloading the new drivers with mercurial, you may want to have a look at as that's how I managed to get my AVerTV DVB-T Volar working and have been using for almost a month now with Kaffeine. Mark Fraser From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:26:46 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:46 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <4796F65D.5060208@gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <4796F65D.5060208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231126.46588.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 09:10:05 Alexander Smirnov wrote: > roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > > I can't see my own posts. > > > > I use Gmail.com [...] > try to use another smtp server, not google's one That's right! I've been doing that since a couple years ago when I discovered this hack by chance and it works. You've got to have another smpt - maybe your provider - and set up your GMail account(s) to send though that. Another possibility is setting up GMail's imap that is quite nice if you are on a broadband. In this case you will see your posts as you would trough a browser while logged in GMail, but that would not mean that your mails made it to your lists. Third, you could check in Gmane newsgroups and see if your mail is in the list. Just subscribe to gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu. You can also post from there using a newsreader (e.g. knode). -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:40:23 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:40:23 +0100 Subject: Recent off topic discussions In-Reply-To: <4796FA5D.8010903@ubuntu.com> References: <4795DC70.4090407@ubuntu.com> <200801230650.24638.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <4796FA5D.8010903@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200801231140.23214.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 09:27:09 Sarah Hobbs wrote: > Mailman decided to be extremely slow in showing my mail (by 3+ hours) - :-) Mine took 12 hours... I could as well have used a stamped traditional envelope. Snail mail beats email one-nought ;-) I've noticed it does happen from time to time. -- lanzen From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:49:59 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:49:59 +0000 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <200801231126.46588.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <4796F65D.5060208@gmail.com> <200801231126.46588.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231049.59769.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 10:26, lanzen wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 09:10:05 Alexander Smirnov wrote: > > roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > > > I can't see my own posts. > > > > > > I use Gmail.com [...] > > > > try to use another smtp server, not google's one > > That's right! I've been doing that since a couple years ago when I > discovered this hack by chance and it works. You've got to have another > smpt - maybe your provider - and set up your GMail account(s) to send > though that. > > Another possibility is setting up GMail's imap that is quite nice if you > are on a broadband. In this case you will see your posts as you would > trough a browser while logged in GMail, but that would not mean that your > mails made it to your lists. > > Third, you could check in Gmane newsgroups and see if your mail is in the > list. Just subscribe to gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu. You can also post > from there using a newsreader (e.g. knode). Or you could do as I do - I use Gmail for the very good spam filtering and the archives (which I find very useful), but deal with email via POP3 in my email client (Kmail) on my computer. I receive my emails to this list via the list (via Gmail). Lisi From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:05:53 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:05:53 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <200801231049.59769.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <4796F65D.5060208@gmail.com> <200801231126.46588.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200801231049.59769.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47971F91.6010906@gmail.com> Lisi, > Or you could do as I do - I use Gmail for the very good spam filtering and the > archives (which I find very useful), but deal with email via POP3 in my email > client (Kmail) on my computer. > > I receive my emails to this list via the list (via Gmail). Are you sending though smpt.gmail.com? I agree gmail's spam control is quite good, statistically as much as bogofilter in my kmail. I've found some mails addressed to this and other lists in GMail's spam box and it's easy - using imap - to just move them to the proper GMail's imap folder to have them archived properly while, at the same time, instructing gmail _not_ to treat these as spam. However I've always had what roger described if I'd use smtp.gmail.com. So what did you do to avoid this ... inconvenience? -- lanzen From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Wed Jan 23 11:25:01 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:25:01 +0000 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <200801231126.46588.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <4796F65D.5060208@gmail.com> <200801231126.46588.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080123112451.5B50A12880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 10:26 23/01/2008, you wrote: >That's right! I've been doing that since a couple years ago when I discovered >this hack by chance and it works. You've got to have another smpt - maybe >your provider - and set up your GMail account(s) to send though that. > Maybe this is related - I have set up a very, VERY simple mailing list using procmail for a FOSS users group I'm running with a friend. It works by posting to a specific address on my one and one account. My home server uses fetchmail to pick up my mail every five minutes and pipes it through procmail. If an email was sent to the list address, a recipe carbon copies the email to everybody in my list. The problem I had was that if I send my own copy back to myself at my one and one account everybody else receives their copy but I don't - I understand one and one use procmail themselves and have a section in there to stop mail loops. But if I get procmail to just drop my copy into my local mail spool file it works fine. So at the moment I can't get messages to my own list auto forwarded to me during office hours. I'll have to take another look at my procmailrc file and see if the sequence can be adjusted to make my mail drop directly into the auto forward recipe rather than going back around the outside mail box. One and one seems to not get upset about the same message going back out through their SMTP server again - my list relays the messages using postfix which is configured to use their authenticated SMTP server - it only seems to drop messages that are seen at the same POP mailbox more than once. Maybe gmail is being more stringent and applies a mail loop rejection rule to messages that previously pass through its own SMTP server. Dave From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 12:03:17 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:03:17 +0000 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <47971F91.6010906@gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801231049.59769.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <47971F91.6010906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231203.17781.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 11:05, lanzen wrote: > Lisi, > > > Or you could do as I do - I use Gmail for the very good spam filtering > > and the archives (which I find very useful), but deal with email via POP3 > > in my email client (Kmail) on my computer. > > > > I receive my emails to this list via the list (via Gmail). > > Are you sending though smpt.gmail.com? > > I agree gmail's spam control is quite good, statistically as much as > bogofilter in my kmail. I've found some mails addressed to this and > other lists in GMail's spam box and it's easy - using imap - to just > move them to the proper GMail's imap folder to have them archived > properly while, at the same time, instructing gmail _not_ to treat these > as spam. > > However I've always had what roger described if I'd use smtp.gmail.com. > So what did you do to avoid this ... inconvenience? On the rare occasions that I actually email from Gmail itself (and therefore using Gmail's SMTP) a copy comes down to my computer via POP3. Normally, using Kmail, I do as Roger suggests and use my ISP's SMTP. But from Kmail this is actually simpler than using Gmail's! Tho' the reason I did it originally was that I was still also using my ISP based POP3 email, so it was simpler just to have everything use the same SMTP. I'm glad that I am getting extra benefits! Lisi From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Jan 23 12:14:45 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:14:45 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801222247y705b4fe6tfec43b489bf886d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801222247y705b4fe6tfec43b489bf886d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231314.46071.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 07:47, roger at rogerchrisman.com wrote: > So I'm not such a happy Gmail camper. I wish Google would make hiding > my own mail optional. And also stop breaking threads on "Re:"! Don suggested something for that but you haven't read it yet. Hope it works. Alas that doesn't help confirm the mail got to the list. Not sure the archives are updated in real time but perhaps you can fool GMail by having a second account: so send from one and the mail appears in the other. Not very elegant though, and forces you to keep that second account as read-only if you don't want to break your threading. IMHO you should complain to GMail although that probably won't have immediate effect. Perry -- "Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." Clarence Darrow From john at wexfordpress.com Wed Jan 23 18:47:39 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:47:39 -0500 Subject: Putting apps on the task bar Message-ID: <200801231347.40129.john@wexfordpress.com> The KDE screen display includes a panel or bar across the bottom whiich in KDE 3.58 could be easily populated with the icons for frequently used apps, either from the menu type listing (icon in lower left corner) or non-kde apps. I got Kubuntu Gutsy specifically because the latest versions of some apps require the 4.0 libraries. But now I don't know how to put my apps on the task bar. Any hints? -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com Wed Jan 23 14:06:15 2008 From: ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com (Ralph De Witt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:06:15 -0500 Subject: Blackberry Sync Help Needed Message-ID: <200801230906.15599.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com> Hello: I just bought a new Blackberry Pearl handheld, so far I have been unable to sync it to Kde Pim Using KitchenSync. The device is plugged in I see it in Kinfocenter but do not have a icon for it in storage media, and kitchensync does not see it this could be because I have not personalized the device and assigned a pin to it and have not added a micro sd card etc. I was trying to add the barry software to try. But need to add a updated Opensync module and a libopensync kdepim module. Can anyonehelp me by pointing me to a software repository were I can get the needed bits and pieces to make this work. And help with any advice. I also do not think this install of Kubuntu is set up to build software. I am short of time and if I can not get it to sync I will have to turn it in and try a palm treo perhaps. Thanks for your help. Ralph From kelungmpb at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 14:13:22 2008 From: kelungmpb at gmail.com (Chairul Anwar) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:13:22 +0700 Subject: bugs in konqueror Message-ID: dear all, I have some problem with my konqueror in my kubuntu 7.10, there always popup dialog message (kio_thumbnail-KDialog) you can see the snapshot in attachment. I need solution for this problem soon thanks for your attention regards, kelung -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: snapshot1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24320 bytes Desc: not available URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 14:36:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:36:11 +0200 Subject: bugs in konqueror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801231636.11318.donn.ingle@gmail.com> You need to check the permissions of that file: Mine shows: -rw-rw---- 1 donn donn 45 2008-01-22 10:20 kio_thumbnailrc So, it's readable (r) and writeable(w) by myself. Go to that folder (/home/donn/.kde/share/config) and right click on the file (kio_thumbnailrc), go: Properties->Permissions Check that 'owner' and 'group' both say Can Read & Write, then click Ok. That should fix you up. I hope ;) \d > regards, > kelung Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From john at wexfordpress.com Wed Jan 23 19:39:51 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:39:51 -0500 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice Message-ID: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> Kmail cannot be added to the KDE 4.0 Koffice suite. It is dependent on kdebase-kio-plugins file which apparently contains some buggy applications. Can anyone suggest a suitable mail client for Kubntu Gutsy with KDE 4.0? It would help if the mail box files could be imported/exported by Kmail. -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From kelungmpb at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 14:41:35 2008 From: kelungmpb at gmail.com (Chairul Anwar) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:41:35 +0700 Subject: bugs in konqueror In-Reply-To: <200801231636.11318.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801231636.11318.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: dear Donn, it seems your solution working good, the message didn't popup anymore. thank you regards On 1/23/08, Donn wrote: > You need to check the permissions of that file: > > Mine shows: > -rw-rw---- 1 donn donn 45 2008-01-22 10:20 kio_thumbnailrc > So, it's readable (r) and writeable(w) by myself. > > Go to that folder (/home/donn/.kde/share/config) and right click on the file > (kio_thumbnailrc), go: > Properties->Permissions > Check that 'owner' and 'group' both say Can Read & Write, then click Ok. > > That should fix you up. I hope ;) > > \d > > regards, > > kelung > > Fonty Python and other dev news at: > http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 14:57:05 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:57:05 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff Message-ID: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Yo, Here's a scene: You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open around the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want *.jpg but not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. The way I know is a kind of flow like: mv *.jpg /some/other/damn/long/path cp /some/other/damn/long/path/blob.jpg . mv a.pdf b.pdf c.pdf /some/other/damn/long/path This means quite a bit of planning (depending on the needs) and a bunch path tab completing, up arrow stuff, editing and so on. Is there some way to select the files you want and copy/cut them to another dir - even by going to another console entirely where that dir is current? I mean, really, to use the gui a little like we use Konqueror. To pick out files, copy them and paste them someplace else. If there's no gnu tool or way to do this, I'd be surprised; and I'm thinking of doodling one in Python. \d -- He had delusions of adequacy. -- Walter Kerr Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From john at wexfordpress.com Wed Jan 23 20:37:41 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:37:41 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231537.41905.john@wexfordpress.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 09:57:05 am Donn wrote: > Yo, > Here's a scene: > You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open > around the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want > *.jpg but not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. > The way I know is a kind of flow like: > mv *.jpg /some/other/damn/long/path > cp /some/other/damn/long/path/blob.jpg . > mv a.pdf b.pdf c.pdf /some/other/damn/long/path > > This means quite a bit of planning (depending on the needs) and a bunch > path tab completing, up arrow stuff, editing and so on. > > Is there some way to select the files you want and copy/cut them to another > dir - even by going to another console entirely where that dir is current? > > I mean, really, to use the gui a little like we use Konqueror. To pick out > files, copy them and paste them someplace else. > > If there's no gnu tool or way to do this, I'd be surprised; and I'm > thinking of doodling one in Python. > > \d > -- > He had delusions of adequacy. -- Walter Kerr > > Fonty Python and other dev news at: > http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ I usually move to the target directory and use something like: mv /usr/local/mysourcedirectory/filename . The space followed by period at the end is of course necessary. Now, how does one open a console window in KDE 4.0? -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:37:45 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:37:45 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231537.41905.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801231537.41905.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <200801231837.45194.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I usually move to the target directory and use something like: Yeah, that's a good trick. I wish there was (perhaps there is) a char like '.' that meant 'the dir before we changed to this dir'. If it was '-' then: mv -/filename . would rock. I sometimes do this: from=`pwd` cd /some/other/dir cp $from/filename . \d BTW - no idea about KDE4, still have not tried it. -- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 23 16:21:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:21:23 -0400 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <1531243.PorCiIvmo0@cedar.serverforest.com> John Culleton wrote: > Kmail cannot be added to the KDE 4.0 Koffice suite. It is dependent on > kdebase-kio-plugins file which apparently contains some buggy > applications. > > Can anyone suggest a suitable mail client for Kubntu Gutsy with KDE 4.0? > It would help if the mail box files could be imported/exported by Kmail. Practically any mailbox can be imported by kmail (the package has been separated out as kmailcvt), but this is the #1 reason why I'm not even trying KDE4. I keep installing the latest updates, and all of KDEPIM is still broken. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 23 16:25:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:25:42 -0400 Subject: bugs in konqueror References: <200801231636.11318.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1429426.WsunxEtULZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Chairul Anwar wrote: > it seems your solution working good, the message didn't popup anymore. Please don't top-post. > On 1/23/08, Donn wrote: >> You need to check the permissions of that file: This suggests that you probably did something as root that you shouldn't have :-( Particularly, don't try to start a KDE app as root that doesn't need to be - and don't do it until you have tried it as yourself. In this case, you used something that needed the thumbnail kio slave, which you hadn't used as yourself, so it copied the default config file from the system directory and saved it _as root_. -- derek From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:51:48 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:51:48 -0500 Subject: Putting apps on the task bar In-Reply-To: <200801231347.40129.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200801231347.40129.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801230851q775f9abdy753edaefdc852ff@mail.gmail.com> On 1/23/08, John Culleton wrote: > The KDE screen display includes a panel or bar across the bottom whiich in KDE > 3.58 could be easily populated with the icons for frequently used apps, > either from the menu type listing (icon in lower left corner) or non-kde > apps. I got Kubuntu Gutsy specifically because the latest versions of some > apps require the 4.0 libraries. But now I don't know how to put my apps on > the task bar. > > Any hints? I think you are referring to what is called the "QuickLauncher". Try right-clicking anywhere on the taskbar and choosing "Add Applet to Panel...". This should bring up a menu of different applets; one of these should be the QuickLauncher. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From lacsilva at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 17:04:22 2008 From: lacsilva at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lu=EDs_Silva?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:22 +0100 Subject: Putting apps on the task bar In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0801230851q775f9abdy753edaefdc852ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801231347.40129.john@wexfordpress.com> <9bed467e0801230851q775f9abdy753edaefdc852ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231804.22078.lacsilva@gmail.com> > > The KDE screen display includes a panel or bar across the bottom whiich > > in KDE 3.58 could be easily populated with the icons for frequently used > > apps, either from the menu type listing (icon in lower left corner) or > > non-kde apps. I got Kubuntu Gutsy specifically because the latest > > versions of some apps require the 4.0 libraries. But now I don't know how > > to put my apps on the task bar. Sorry! KDE4.0 does not have such a functionality ported to it yet. You can add their icons (full size) to the bar, though. Just drag and drop! I hope it helps :) -- Luís A. C. Silva lacsilva at gmail.com Mobile(FR): +33677663462 Mobile(PT): +351918229172 From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 18:13:18 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:13:18 -0500 Subject: Wireless MiniPCI card issues under Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Message-ID: Greetings, fellow Kubuntu users! I'm trying to set up a miniPCI WiFi card on my laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8500 running Kubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn". The original card that came with the laptop (Dell Truemobile 1300 series IIRC) was damaged by heat, so I purchased a new Dell Truemobile 1470 card off eBay and installed it. The card shows up as eth2 in KDE's Network Settings, with the built-in Ethernet as eth0 and the original card as eth1. I have DHCP enabled for both devices. lsmod shows a bcm43xx module with a size of 126824 loaded, used by 0. This bcm43xx also gives me errors on startup, often of the "module not found or loaded" variety. Every time I try enabling eth2 (the new card), it immediately disables itself. Linux is obviously *seeing *the card, but it's not allowing me to *use *it. Can anyone be able to give me some pointers as to how to get this card to enable and stay enabled? I have no more access to a direct connection at home, and really need to do a system update. Thanks to all, --Rob (Linux user who doesn't do Windows) -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. 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I keep installing the latest updates, and all of KDEPIM is > still broken. Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 session? That works (at least for me). KDEPIM 4 won't be released until KDE 4.1 comes out which is sometime in July -- chris From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 18:35:22 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:35:22 +0200 Subject: No Encoding option in Konqy Message-ID: <880dece00801231035j60b185a9ja18756a7adb566d9@mail.gmail.com> In KDE 3.5.8 on Feisty, I have the problem where Tools -> Encoding (or the English equivalent) is grayed out when inserting the SD card of my Nokia 6288. Thus, the non-ascii filenames and foldernames are displayed as question marks. If this is not the place to change encoding, then what is the place? If it is the place, then why might it be gray and inaccessible? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Jan 23 19:04:51 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:04:51 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 15:57, Donn wrote: > You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open around > the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want *.jpg but > not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. (snip) This may not help you but is an introduction to my own question. I tried something like : ls | grep .jpg | grep -v blob That seemed to work (I tried "ls | grep .png | grep -v snap | grep -v ban" to remove all snapshot?.png and banner?.png from one of my dirs) The problem is I didn't find a method to interface that with mw or cp. Any tips? I'm aware this thread is not really KUbuntu specific but I would be very reluctant to have to adopt the "one question_one list" approach. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #41: interrupt configuration error From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 14:50:50 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:50:50 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <200801231203.17781.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <47971F91.6010906@gmail.com> <200801231203.17781.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231550.50675.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 13:03:17 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On the rare occasions that I actually email from Gmail itself (and > therefore using Gmail's SMTP) a copy comes down to my computer via POP3. You mean through your browser? In this case I do this rarely enough not have noticed. I'll test it. >  Normally, using Kmail, I do as Roger suggests and use my ISP's SMTP. Ok, we know this works. ;-) -- lanzen From devriesbj at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 19:32:58 2008 From: devriesbj at gmail.com (Brad De Vries) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:32:58 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 2:04 PM, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 15:57, Donn wrote: > > You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open around > > the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want *.jpg but > > not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. > (snip) > This may not help you but is an introduction to my own question. > I tried something like : > ls | grep .jpg | grep -v blob > That seemed to work > (I tried "ls | grep .png | grep -v snap | grep -v ban" to remove all > snapshot?.png and banner?.png from one of my dirs) > > The problem is I didn't find a method to interface that with mw or cp. > Any tips? > > I'm aware this thread is not really KUbuntu specific but I would be very > reluctant to have to adopt the "one question_one list" approach. > > Greetings Perry You could use the format: $ mv `ls | grep ".png" | grep -v "blob"` /the/new/directory Note the use of the backward apostrophe a.k.a. tick mark, to accomplish the command-within-a-command. HTH, Brad. From james at gray.net.au Wed Jan 23 19:57:21 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:57:21 +1100 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice In-Reply-To: <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> <1531243.PorCiIvmo0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <17A997DE-DD88-4BF3-8042-661F438DC84F@gray.net.au> On 24/01/2008, at 5:26 AM, Chris Gow wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 11:21:23 Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Practically any mailbox can be imported by kmail (the package has >> been >> separated out as kmailcvt), but this is the #1 reason why I'm not >> even >> trying KDE4. I keep installing the latest updates, and all of >> KDEPIM is >> still broken. > Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 > session? That > works (at least for me). > > KDEPIM 4 won't be released until KDE 4.1 comes out which is sometime > in July Yet another example of the "wait for the first update" rule when wanting something new ;) Like many, I avoid any software that is version x.0; I usually wait for x.1 before installing if it's anything I rely on. I have a parallel installation of KDE 3.5 and 4.0 on my Kubuntu workstation in the office, but only "dabble" in KDE4. I still rely on the tried and trusted KDE 3.5 for all my work duties. Having said that though, what I've seen of KDE4 is great, just not quite all there yet (a lot of icons and button images are missing for one). Besides, I spent a fair bit of time getting beryl+superkaramba+kde 3.5 all singing and dancing in unison, I don't want to go through all that again on KDE4 :) -- James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the removal of all doubt, I access Gmail through my browser, but POP3 is onto my email client. I only do it if I need off-site access, or if my desktop is down for some reason. Lisi From lists at ptfd.org Wed Jan 23 20:00:40 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:00:40 -0500 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice In-Reply-To: <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> <1531243.PorCiIvmo0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200801231500.40432.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 01:26:07 pm Chris Gow wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 11:21:23 Derek Broughton wrote: > > Practically any mailbox can be imported by kmail (the package has been > > separated out as kmailcvt), but this is the #1 reason why I'm not even > > trying KDE4. I keep installing the latest updates, and all of KDEPIM is > > still broken. > > Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 session? That > works (at least for me). > > KDEPIM 4 won't be released until KDE 4.1 comes out which is sometime in > July > > -- chris Same thing here, works like a champ. Mike From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr Wed Jan 23 21:11:32 2008 From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:11:32 +0100 Subject: No Encoding option in Konqy In-Reply-To: <880dece00801231035j60b185a9ja18756a7adb566d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801231035j60b185a9ja18756a7adb566d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4797AD84.8030207@wanadoo.fr> Hi, For me (gutsy) it is the english equivalent of remote encoding (i18n ?) : I just tried connecting using the fish (i.e : sshfs) protocol, and then it is not greyed. Everywhere else, locally, it seems it is greyed. I don't think you can choose the encoding locally ... except if you connect using fish (just tried, it seems to work) : fish://localhost But I see no effect changing things in this menu... maybe the effect is on the content of the files ? If so, this menu is useless considering Kate also has it (and I know this one works) Cheers Dotan Cohen a écrit : > In KDE 3.5.8 on Feisty, I have the problem where Tools -> Encoding (or > the English equivalent) is grayed out when inserting the SD card of my > Nokia 6288. Thus, the non-ascii filenames and foldernames are > displayed as question marks. If this is not the place to change > encoding, then what is the place? If it is the place, then why might > it be gray and inaccessible? Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 21:33:39 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:33:39 +0200 Subject: No Encoding option in Konqy In-Reply-To: <4797AD84.8030207@wanadoo.fr> References: <880dece00801231035j60b185a9ja18756a7adb566d9@mail.gmail.com> <4797AD84.8030207@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00801231333m1f275d8ak454b38fbfa96c9ba@mail.gmail.com> On 23/01/2008, Fred Schaer wrote: > Hi, > > For me (gutsy) it is the english equivalent of remote encoding (i18n ?) > : I just tried connecting using the fish (i.e : sshfs) protocol, and > then it is not greyed. Everywhere else, locally, it seems it is greyed. Yes, I agree that the wording can be taken to mean remote systems only. So, how does one change the displayed encoding for local? > I don't think you can choose the encoding locally ... except if you > connect using fish (just tried, it seems to work) : fish://localhost Hey, that works! Off to bugzilla... > But I see no effect changing things in this menu... maybe the effect is > on the content of the files ? Are you using only ASCII characters? > If so, this menu is useless considering Kate also has it (and I know > this one works) Yes, I change the charset in Kate frequently as well. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 21:50:25 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:50:25 +0200 Subject: Changing Dolphin's encoding Message-ID: <880dece00801231350x611ffe5enb6aef64b02ccb8bc@mail.gmail.com> How does one change the encoding in Dolphin in KDE 3.5.8? I do not see that option in any of the menus. Dolphin is displaying the filenames of my SD card in the wrong encoding and I need to change that. Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Wed Jan 23 22:16:12 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:16:12 -0500 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice In-Reply-To: <200801231500.40432.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> <200801231500.40432.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <200801231716.12448.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> > > Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 session? > > That works (at least for me). How is this done? I open a KDE 4 session and click on kontact or kmail and nothing happens. From a terminal it complains of missing libraries. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 23:13:46 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:13:46 +0000 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: <4794DC01.8040803@gmx.net> References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> <4794DC01.8040803@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200801232313.46766.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Monday 21 January 2008 17:53, Rene wrote: > Richard wrote: > > when using the terminal (commandline) is there a way to store commands, > > like a bookmark ? instead of re-typing them in, all the time. > > try "history" > just type it in your commandline > > and ARROW UP in the same session Or just ARROW UP without typing anything else. That should go back to earlier sessions as well. Useful for that tricky to type/remember command that you know you used last week. Lisi From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Jan 23 23:19:55 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:19:55 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801231819.55589.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Donn wrote: > around the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want > *.jpg but not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. I used to have something on DOS, and I think it was called "not." The syntax was something like: not blob.jpg copy *.jpg c:\blah The way it worked was to change the hidden attribute for files matching the one parameter passed to the not command, or something like that. There's not quite a direct Linux equivalent of that, but you could mv foo .foo to hide it. > This means quite a bit of planning (depending on the needs) and a bunch > path tab completing, up arrow stuff, editing and so on. Honestly, Donn, this scenario is one of the few times I would get out a graphical file manager. It's good for moving a selective bit of this and a selective bit of that to a selective somewhere else. Doing this from the command line sucks, and I say that as someone who currently has no graphical file browser windows open, and 10 Konsole tabs open. I've never been one to use the likes of Xtree or Midnight Commander either, but it seems like Midnight Commander might fit this bill better than the plain ol' command line. -- D. Michael McIntyre From jjesse at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 00:13:35 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:13:35 -0500 Subject: laptop freezing? In-Reply-To: <200801221235.32981.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200801221235.32981.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 6:35 AM, lanzen wrote: > On Tuesday 22 January 2008 03:24:50 Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > Anyways I am running 7.10 on my > > Dell Latitude D830 and every now and then the entire laptop seems to > > freeze. I see no hard drive activity thought the wifi light still > flashes. > > I am able to ping the box and also SSH into the system, but I can't do > a > > Ctl+Alt+Backspace to restart X or when I ssh into the system I am unable > to > > reboot the system. Any ideas? > > Any files I can post to hlp out debugging > > this problem? > > Can you see the system log while you ssh? It could be interesting to see > what > happens just before the freeze, but, unfortunally, chances are you > wouldn't > find anything relevant. > > Anyway, it looks as if this is related to a nasty bug that has made its > way in > k/ubuntu soon after the last nvidia update (D830 has a nvidia card, > right?) > when gutsy became release. > > So you might get a picture of the situation by reading these: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587905 > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585714 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145112 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/157777 > > and see if you think that what you got sounds similar. > > In my case I had this bug on my desktop, but not on my laptop. I solved it > by > installing the new nvidia driver > http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_169.09.html > > This can be achieved manually or, in a smooth and easy way, via envy: > http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html > > -- > lanzen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Thanks for the hints on gettting this setup and working. updating my NVidia card solved the problem Great job for support -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Jan 23 21:52:03 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:52:03 -0500 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice In-Reply-To: <17A997DE-DD88-4BF3-8042-661F438DC84F@gray.net.au> References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> <17A997DE-DD88-4BF3-8042-661F438DC84F@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <200801231652.03376.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008, James Gray wrote: > On 24/01/2008, at 5:26 AM, Chris Gow wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 11:21:23 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Practically any mailbox can be imported by kmail (the package has > >> been > >> separated out as kmailcvt), but this is the #1 reason why I'm not > >> even > >> trying KDE4. I keep installing the latest updates, and all of > >> KDEPIM is > >> still broken. > > > > Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 > > session? That > > works (at least for me). > > > > KDEPIM 4 won't be released until KDE 4.1 comes out which is sometime > > in July > > Yet another example of the "wait for the first update" rule when > wanting something new ;) Like many, I avoid any software that is KDEPIM isn't even being released with KDE 4, so it's best to wait anyway. 3.5.x version works just fine. > version x.0; I usually wait for x.1 before installing if it's anything > I rely on. I have a parallel installation of KDE 3.5 and 4.0 on my > Kubuntu workstation in the office, but only "dabble" in KDE4. I still > rely on the tried and trusted KDE 3.5 for all my work duties. Having > said that though, what I've seen of KDE4 is great, just not quite all > there yet (a lot of icons and button images are missing for one). No idea about that. SVN version is looking spiffy. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 02:42:55 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:42:55 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <200801231314.46071.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801222247y705b4fe6tfec43b489bf886d5@mail.gmail.com> <200801231314.46071.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801240342.55948.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Perry, > IMHO you should complain to GMail although that probably won't have > immediate effect. GMail has been like that since the beginning. They think that is a feature. I suppose that everyone here has at least another smpt beside Gmail's, so that's the easiest way to go about it. To get rid of all that, then it could be better to use newsgroups and a newsreader, just like Derek does. It's even faster. it seems like messages are getting there first. -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 02:51:59 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:51:59 +0100 Subject: laptop freezing? In-Reply-To: References: <200801221235.32981.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801240352.00192.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 24 January 2008 01:13:35 Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Thanks for the hints on gettting this setup and working.  updating my > NVidia card solved the problem I'm glad it worked. It is - was - a real nasty bug, wasn't it? ;) It seems like it has disappeared in Hardy... -- lanzen From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 24 03:51:20 2008 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:51:20 +0100 Subject: OOorg File -> Wizards -> Document Converter... doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47980B38.2080204@bluewin.ch> Hello, all. I have several hundred winword (.doc) files that need to be turned into OOOrg Writer (.odt) files. Attempting to do a conversion via File -> Wizards ->Document Converter... results in the following error message: /"Inadmissible value or data type. Index out of defined range."/ in module Language, GetApplResourceArray(StartResIndex as I, Count as I, BigArray()). Am I doing something wrong ? Is the macro fixable? or is there perhaps something like a "doc2odt" conversion utility or script outside of OpenOfficeWriter? Any help will be greatly appreciated. jdh _____________________________________________ Kubuntu 7.04 - OOffice.org 2.2.0 i586 - 512 MB * P Help protect the environment; print messages only when absolutely necessary! * * Aiuta a proteggere l'ambiente; stampa messaggi solo se è veramente necessario! * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 06:18:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:18:17 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231819.55589.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801231819.55589.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801240818.17990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Honestly, Donn, this scenario is one of the few times I would get out a > graphical file manager. Sure, that's really why I asked on the list - just in case I was missing some clever trick. The ones I've seen so far are as expected: using pipes and greps and whatnot. This is not bad, just a little fiddly. I often find myself wishing I could do it the gui-way when I'm on the cli. Let me bounce my idea off ya: The working name of the script is 'fui' for fake-ui. 1. fui --select *.jpg,a.pdf,wobble,bling,png --exclude stupid.jpg That would select those files. 2. fui --select pic[123].png That would glue some more onto the selection. Could be from another dir too. 3. cd /some/other/place or switch to another console/tab 4. fui --paste Would copy those files here. 5. fui --paste --keep Would copy them, but keep the selection, so you can do it again. 6. fui --cut [--keep] Would move them here. 7. fui --list Would show what you have selected. 8. fui --flush Would clear the selection. Seems quite handy, what do you think? Ah, got a day on the building site now. Time to go! \d -- "You know, I've gone to a lot of psychics, and they've told me a lot of different things, but not one of them has ever told me 'You are an undercover policewoman here to arrest me.'" -- New York City undercover policewoman Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From roger at rogerchrisman.com Thu Jan 24 06:29:33 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:29:33 -0800 Subject: Wireless MiniPCI card issues under Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801232229mc194f68xdac62aa1cbd94f2a@mail.gmail.com> My guess: maybe Feisty doesn't have a suitable driver for that card. Maybe that card's chipset is made by Broadcom or another company that does not open source its drivers. If so, I suggest buying a wireless card with a chipset made by a company that does open source its drivers, like Intel does for example. Ndiswrapper can make Linux use the card's Windows driver if you have it and can noodle it all together. But it is worth your time and money to simply use a card that has a real Linux driver, in my experience. What chipset is on your new wireless card? Here's how to find out: On your laptop (with the new wireless card installed), do: lspci That should show what company made your wireless card's chipset. If you can't see it in there, maybe try: lspci | grep -i net or lspci | grep -i wireless Let us know what lspci shows about your card. Post the whole output of lspci (for your laptop), if you like. Cheers, Roger From roger at rogerchrisman.com Thu Jan 24 06:38:20 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:38:20 -0800 Subject: HP 6510 and (sigh) wireless In-Reply-To: <47956769.7060506@gmail.com> References: <47956769.7060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801232238x2993a8ffo7cc4eeff395571c5@mail.gmail.com> Don't know if this will help in your case. I hope it does: On my laptop running Kubuntu 7.10 I had to check some "Enable roaming" check box or something like that somewhere in KDE's wireless settings to get it to display the list of available wireless networks. Maybe try that. Maybe its under "manual configure" somewhere but I don't remember where. Good luck and let us know, Roger From roger at rogerchrisman.com Thu Jan 24 06:42:36 2008 From: roger at rogerchrisman.com (roger at rogerchrisman.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:42:36 -0800 Subject: HP 6510 and (sigh) wireless In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801232238x2993a8ffo7cc4eeff395571c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <47956769.7060506@gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801232238x2993a8ffo7cc4eeff395571c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21ec8dcb0801232242q1e59d729x6057a11459efecd1@mail.gmail.com> Oops, I see you resolved the matter already. I'm using Gmail's Web interface and getting all confused trying to follow threads. Roger :-/ From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 09:54:49 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:54:49 +0100 Subject: Changing Dolphin's encoding In-Reply-To: <880dece00801231350x611ffe5enb6aef64b02ccb8bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801231350x611ffe5enb6aef64b02ccb8bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 10:50 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How does one change the encoding in Dolphin in KDE 3.5.8? I do not see > that option in any of the menus. Dolphin is displaying the filenames > of my SD card in the wrong encoding and I need to change that. > > Hi Don't know about Dolphin but i don't think it got anything to do with Dolphin. lt is probably how the card is mountet. I guess it's a VFAT filesystem on the SD-card? In that case try fiddle with the iocharset and codepage options. / Jonas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Thu Jan 24 09:10:30 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:10:30 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801222315.01862.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801230931.46028.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877ihzfv21.fsf@fjellstad.org> Donn writes: > Perhaps one can wire-up kmail to put one's sent mails into one's inbox > so they are threaded in with the other emails? That's basically what I do, although mutt is my primary MUA. Actually, I follow this advice for organizing my email: http://scott.yang.id.au/2006/08/organising-your-inbox/ http://plasmasturm.org/log/344/ One thing you can do with Mutt, that I hope will be supported in kmail soon, is the idea of labels (similar to what gmail has). Basically, you can add labels to email and work with them. With kmail, you could search on labels (basically, any arbitrary headers), but you can't edit an email to add a label. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 24 02:31:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:31:09 -0400 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> <1531243.PorCiIvmo0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2037203.MLyBbd5re0@cedar.serverforest.com> Chris Gow wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 11:21:23 Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Practically any mailbox can be imported by kmail (the package has been >> separated out as kmailcvt), but this is the #1 reason why I'm not even >> trying KDE4. I keep installing the latest updates, and all of KDEPIM is >> still broken. > Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 session? That > works (at least for me). > Why? There's absolutely nothing in KDE 4 that interests me - except kontact. KMail, KNode and Akregator all have some long standing bugs that have been listed for at least two years as "won't be fixed in 3.5". I'm not really holding out hope that they'll be fixed in 4.x, either, but I'd love to be proved wrong. -- dere From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 24 13:06:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:06:13 -0400 Subject: Command line stuff References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801231819.55589.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801240818.17990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1383120.9p7J5sNhkB@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: >> Honestly, Donn, this scenario is one of the few times I would get out a >> graphical file manager. > Sure, that's really why I asked on the list - just in case I was missing > some clever trick. The ones I've seen so far are as expected: using pipes > and greps and whatnot. This is not bad, just a little fiddly. > > I often find myself wishing I could do it the gui-way when I'm on the cli. > Let me bounce my idea off ya: > > The working name of the script is 'fui' for fake-ui. > 1. fui --select *.jpg,a.pdf,wobble,bling,png --exclude stupid.jpg > That would select those files. ... You could probably do much of this with dcop (actually, you could do all of it with dcop if the programs required had the appropriate interfaces) but by that point you'd have had to install a full gui and just be luddishly trying not to use it :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 24 13:07:07 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:07:07 -0400 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <21ec8dcb0801222247y705b4fe6tfec43b489bf886d5@mail.gmail.com> <200801231314.46071.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801240342.55948.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1637817.uD1zhS2Oog@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > Perry, > >> IMHO you should complain to GMail although that probably won't have >> immediate effect. > > GMail has been like that since the beginning. They think that is a > feature. I think it's a feature too - but it's a little odd that they don't make it an option. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 13:39:24 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:39:24 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <1383120.9p7J5sNhkB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801240818.17990.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1383120.9p7J5sNhkB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801241539.24464.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > by that point you'd have had to install a full gui and just be luddishly > trying not to use it :-) lol - yeah. Must .. not ... type ... konque -duh! nearly did! \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 24 13:16:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:16:16 -0400 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801222315.01862.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801230931.46028.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <877ihzfv21.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> John L Fjellstad wrote: > Donn writes: > >> Perhaps one can wire-up kmail to put one's sent mails into one's inbox >> so they are threaded in with the other emails? > > That's basically what I do, although mutt is my primary MUA. In KMail, you just set "keep replies in this folder" on the folder properties (because, of course you keep your list posts in separate folders :-) ), and that takes care of mail within threads. It would be more difficult to get _initial_ posts into the folder, because I don't think you can automatically execute a filter on outgoing mail (I could be wrong - I haven't wanted to do it, but a quick look at KMail shows nothing obvious). > One thing you can do with Mutt, that I hope will be supported in kmail > soon, is the idea of labels (similar to what gmail has). Basically, you > can add labels to email and work with them. With kmail, you could search > on labels (basically, any arbitrary headers), but you can't edit an email > to add a label. Not _entirely_ true. A filter can pass a mail to a pipe, so strictly you could have the pipe add a label header and drop the mail back into Inbox. iirc, this is exactly how the spam filters work. Still, it's something that would be much more usable if a simpler hook was provided for the user. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 13:49:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:49:17 +0200 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <877ihzfv21.fsf@fjellstad.org> <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801241549.17679.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 24 January 2008 15:16:16 Derek Broughton wrote: > In KMail, you just set "keep replies in this folder" on the folder > properties Well... damn :D Nice, thanks. \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 13:49:03 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:49:03 +0000 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <877ihzfv21.fsf@fjellstad.org> <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801241349.03392.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 24 January 2008 13:16, Derek Broughton wrote: >  It would be > more difficult to get _initial_ posts into the folder, because I don't > think you can automatically execute a filter on outgoing mail (I could be > wrong - I haven't wanted to do it, but a quick look at KMail shows nothing > obvious). Message -> create filter -> chose your filter Lisi From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 13:58:54 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:58:54 +0200 Subject: Changing Dolphin's encoding In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00801231350x611ffe5enb6aef64b02ccb8bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801240558i10f7b28bj6c1539a5b23cf5ea@mail.gmail.com> On 24/01/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 10:50 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > How does one change the encoding in Dolphin in KDE 3.5.8? I do not see > > that option in any of the menus. Dolphin is displaying the filenames > > of my SD card in the wrong encoding and I need to change that. > > > > > Hi > > Don't know about Dolphin but i don't think it got anything to do with > Dolphin. lt is probably how the > card is mountet. I guess it's a VFAT filesystem on the SD-card? > In that case try fiddle with the iocharset and codepage options. > > / Jonas Thank you Jonas. In order to fiddle with the iocharset and codepage options, should I create an entry in fstab for the card? Will that not interfere with other USB memory sticks/cards that I connect? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 13:59:12 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:59:12 -0500 Subject: Wireless MiniPCI card issues under Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty In-Reply-To: <21ec8dcb0801232229mc194f68xdac62aa1cbd94f2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801232229mc194f68xdac62aa1cbd94f2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2008 1:29 AM, wrote: > My guess: maybe Feisty doesn't have a suitable driver for that card. > Maybe that card's chipset is made by Broadcom or another company that > does not open source its drivers. If so, I suggest buying a wireless > card with a chipset made by a company that does open source its > drivers, like Intel does for example. Ndiswrapper can make Linux use > the card's Windows driver if you have it and can noodle it all > together. But it is worth your time and money to simply use a card > that has a real Linux driver, in my experience. What chipset is on > your new wireless card? Here's how to find out: > > On your laptop (with the new wireless card installed), do: > lspci > > That should show what company made your wireless card's chipset. If > you can't see it in there, maybe try: > lspci | grep -i net > or > lspci | grep -i wireless > > Let us know what lspci shows about your card. Post the whole output of > lspci (for your laptop), if you like. > > > Cheers, > Roger > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hi Roger, It's a Broadcom 4309, and I just realized... stupid me! I installed the bcm43xx-fwcutter package from the repositories along with the needed file. After running it and dropping it into /lib/firmware, I just did a modprobe of the firmware and it's working now! I'm seeing wireless networks in my area and can connect to them! Thanks for the advice, though! Cheers! --Rob (Kubuntu user and now happily surfing wirelessly!) -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. 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In-Reply-To: <200801240352.00192.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200801221235.32981.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200801240352.00192.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 9:51 PM, lanzen wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2008 01:13:35 Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > Thanks for the hints on gettting this setup and working. updating my > > NVidia card solved the problem > > I'm glad it worked. It is - was - a real nasty bug, wasn't it? ;) > > It seems like it has disappeared in Hardy... > > -- > lanzen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I am holding off for now upgrading to hardy and will probablly do a clean install as I had to manually configure alsa for my Dell Latitutde and then also this bug which I hope si resolved in Hardy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It does on my system (KMail 1.9.5 (using KDE 3.5.5)) - I use it a lot. But you have to be in the sent mail folder when you set it up. My own desktop is running Debian Etch. Perhaps that is the difference? Perhaps KUbuntu has removed it for some reason. Lisi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spwhite at freesurf.ch Thu Jan 24 18:06:07 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:06:07 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801241906.08062.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 20:32, Brad De Vries wrote: > You could use the format: > $ mv `ls | grep ".png" | grep -v "blob"` /the/new/directory > > Note the use of the backward apostrophe a.k.a. tick mark, to > accomplish the command-within-a-command. Thanks a lot, that ` ` is a great thing. I wonder if Donn read your reply, no sign of it in his mails from today, and in his mail timed 07:18:17 he went into an elucubration about a "fui" script with -select or -exclude options. Unless the script already exists he still has to figure out how to implement it, so nothing is solved yet. *In one line you provided what I belive is the best answer to his question.* Of course he is the juge and I'm waiting for his verdict ;) I 'CC' that mail to his private address, hoping it will get through. (Of course he can answer on the list) (Finding the -v option for grep took me a long time, I first searched in regexp, then on the net, found nothing...and discovered it by chance) Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #100: IRQ dropout From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de Thu Jan 24 18:24:28 2008 From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:24:28 +0100 Subject: disk and dvdWriter on one ide-chanel Message-ID: <200801241924.28835.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Hello, i had a dvd-rom and a dvd-writer on one ide-chanel (one cable). Now i changed the dvd-rom to a harddisk. The disk is the master, the dvd-rom the slave. The harddisk works normal, but i can't use the dvd-writer. When i boot, the bios shows all as it is and i can open and close the writer. When Kubuntu (7.10) starts, i cannot use the writer (it did not do something, open, close). I deleted the line in fstab: hdc .... for the dvd-rom, but it didn't work. Is it not possible to use a harddisk and a dvd-rom at the same ide-chanel? Thanks Thomas From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 18:40:16 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:40:16 +0000 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801241906.08062.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801241906.08062.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801241840.16484.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 24 January 2008 18:06, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > (Finding the -v option for grep took me a long time, I first searched in > regexp, then on the net, found nothing...and discovered it by chance) Man grep? Lisi From eprosoft at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 18:46:22 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:46:22 -0300 Subject: Problem in my Kubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: <200801241546.22665.eprosoft@gmail.com> Hello Today, I don't know how but I loos my sound card, my kmix don't work. And lost sound on my Notebook, somebody know how fix this, please ..... $ hwinfo --sound 18: PCI 14.5: 0401 Multimedia audio controller [Created at pci.296] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1002_4370 Unique ID: hB6S.8qnZbWjvH6D SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.5 SysFS BusID: 0000:00:14.5 Hardware Class: sound Model: "Hewlett-Packard Company IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller" Vendor: pci 0x1002 "ATI Technologies Inc" Device: pci 0x4370 "IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller" SubVendor: pci 0x103c "Hewlett-Packard Company" SubDevice: pci 0x30a4 Revision: 0x02 Driver: "ATI IXP AC97 controller" Driver Modules: "snd_atiixp" Memory Range: 0xc0003400-0xc00034ff (rw,non-prefetchable) IRQ: 17 (3 events) Module Alias: "pci:v00001002d00004370sv0000103Csd000030A4bc04sc01i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: snd_atiixp is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_atiixp" Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. 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From sniffy at rogers.com Thu Jan 24 18:53:02 2008 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:53:02 -0500 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <1337598.K4dPlDxJKs@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801241349.03392.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <1337598.K4dPlDxJKs@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801241353.02178.sniffy@rogers.com> On Thursday 24 January 2008 09:46:04 Derek Broughton wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 24 January 2008 13:16, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> It would be > >> more difficult to get _initial_ posts into the folder, because I don't > >> think you can automatically execute a filter on outgoing mail (I could > >> be wrong - I haven't wanted to do it, but a quick look at KMail shows > >> nothing obvious). > > > > Message -> create filter -> chose your filter > > I don't see anything there that operates on _outgoing_ messages. What about: Settings > Filters > [pick/create a filter] > Advanced tab > Apply this filter to sent messages check box I think that should do what you want? You may also want to uncheck the Apply this filter to incoming messages as well -- chris From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:24:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:24:11 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801241906.08062.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801241906.08062.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801242124.11651.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > $ mv `ls | grep ".png" | grep -v "blob"` /the/new/directory Yeah, I saw this. It's neat. > and in his mail timed 07:18:17 he went into an elucubration about a "fui" > script with -select or -exclude options. Unless the script already exists > he still has to figure out how to implement it, so nothing is solved yet. Still hacking :) Elucibration - great word. It sounds elusive. > *In one line you provided what I belive is the best answer to his > question.* Of course he is the juge and I'm waiting for his verdict ;) It's more or less what I expected - i.e. there is no equivalent of a gui select/copy/paste paradigm for the cli. There may still be, but I have never stumbled over it. I think the idea has some use. I am working on making it as simple as possible because I want to avoid all the backticks and having to memorize too much. Thanks for all the replies. \d From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:14:30 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:14:30 +0100 Subject: Changing Dolphin's encoding In-Reply-To: <880dece00801240558i10f7b28bj6c1539a5b23cf5ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801231350x611ffe5enb6aef64b02ccb8bc@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801240558i10f7b28bj6c1539a5b23cf5ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2008 2:58 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 24/01/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2008 10:50 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > > > How does one change the encoding in Dolphin in KDE 3.5.8? I do not see > > > that option in any of the menus. Dolphin is displaying the filenames > > > of my SD card in the wrong encoding and I need to change that. > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Don't know about Dolphin but i don't think it got anything to do with > > Dolphin. lt is probably how the > > card is mountet. I guess it's a VFAT filesystem on the SD-card? > > In that case try fiddle with the iocharset and codepage options. > > > > / Jonas > > Thank you Jonas. In order to fiddle with the iocharset and codepage > options, should I create an entry in fstab for the card? Will that not > interfere with other USB memory sticks/cards that I connect? > > Dotan Cohen > I'm new to Kubuntu so i dont know if there is some other way to handle it here. And i'm not on my Kubuntu machine at the moment so i can't verify it. Someone will probably correct me if im wrong. In this day it's handle automagically by UDEV and HAL so u dont need to have an entry in fstab and where to change the default options for HAL i have no idea. The problem with adding it to fstab would be that the card would not be the same diskdevice all the times you reboot or insert other cards etc. You can write a custom udev rule so just this card always would be symlinked to one name of your choice. Look at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter07/symlinks.html for a example of howto do it. But first try to do the mounting manually from a consol to verify that it is the moint options that is your problem and set iocharset and codepage to values whatever you use in your country. Hope it will help so you get on right track at least. / Jonas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:25:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:25:11 +0200 Subject: disk and dvdWriter on one ide-chanel In-Reply-To: <200801241924.28835.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> References: <200801241924.28835.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <200801242125.11795.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > didn't work. Is it not possible to use a harddisk and a dvd-rom at the same > ide-chanel? I have never got that to work. Always put writers on master channels. \d -- "You know, I've gone to a lot of psychics, and they've told me a lot of different things, but not one of them has ever told me 'You are an undercover policewoman here to arrest me.'" -- New York City undercover policewoman Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:26:35 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:26:35 +0200 Subject: Problem in my Kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801241546.22665.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <200801241546.22665.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801242126.35786.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Today, I don't know how but I loos my sound card, my kmix don't work. And Right click the kmix icon -> Select Master channel. Play around with the choices. Perhaps yours reset for some reason. Also try alsamixer from the command line. \d From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 20:24:28 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:24:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: Kubuntu Meeting Minutes (23/01/08) Message-ID: Last night's meeting minutes are now available, it can be found at: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ Date for the next meeting is still to be announced, please see this page for updates: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Thanks, Jonathan PS: If anyone has a saved copy of the last one (20080112), I would like to have it - I overwrote mine mv'ing the this one into the dir where I locally keep the minutes (suppose that's what I get for not keeping these in bzr). -- Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk Thu Jan 24 20:40:56 2008 From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:40:56 +0000 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <877ihzfv21.fsf@fjellstad.org> <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801242040.56573.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> On Thursday 24 January 2008 13:16, Derek Broughton wrote: > Not _entirely_ true.  A filter can pass a mail to a pipe, so > strictly you could have the pipe add a label header and drop the > mail back into Inbox. iirc, this is exactly how the spam filters > work.  Still, it's something that would be much more usable if a > simpler hook was provided for the user. I've been wondering about this pipe through ability to process extraneous text out of e-mails, so it becomes easier to search on terms without getting multiple hits in the quoted text bits. Gmail seems to have a means of doing this when it hides quoted text. So is there an application that kmail can pass to (or even a standalone program that can work on a mailbox) which will check a post's content and using the reference header delete a whole block of text if it is quoted in its entirety? I'd like to try this on my local cache but ultimately it would be great to limit bandwidth on a "mailman" list which causes problems for people with poor connectivity. Worse case is if someone replies to a whole digest. AJH From nepal.roade at virgin.net Thu Jan 24 21:01:40 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:01:40 +0000 Subject: disk and dvdWriter on one ide-chanel In-Reply-To: <200801241924.28835.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> References: <200801241924.28835.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <200801242101.40778.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Thursday 24 January 2008, Thomas Amberger wrote: > Hello, > > i had a dvd-rom and a dvd-writer on one ide-chanel (one > cable). Now i changed the dvd-rom to a harddisk. The disk > is the master, the dvd-rom the slave. The harddisk works > normal, but i can't use the dvd-writer. When i boot, the > bios shows all as it is and i can open and close the > writer. When Kubuntu (7.10) starts, i cannot use the > writer (it did not do something, open, close). I deleted > the line in fstab: hdc .... for the dvd-rom, but it > didn't work. Is it not possible to use a harddisk and a > dvd-rom at the same ide-chanel? > > Thanks > Thomas check the jumper settings on the hard drive are set to 'master' and the same on the dvd drive set to 'slave'. Make sure you connect the master drive to the correct connector on the ide ribbon cable which IIRC is the last on the cable. It is not advisable to use these two types together, but not forbidden. nepal. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 24 21:10:29 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:10:29 -0500 Subject: Syntac error. Message-ID: <4798FEC5.4070205@sbcglobal.net> Kubuntu-7.10 Trying to to install, install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh and I keep getting Syntacs Errors, I have run the install two different ways, but still syntacs errors. $ sudo ./install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh or $ sudo sh install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh What is the correct way to install ? From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Jan 24 21:24:50 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:24:50 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801242224.50246.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 15:57:05 Donn wrote: > Yo, > Here's a scene: > You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open > around the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want > *.jpg but not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. > The way I know is a kind of flow like: > mv *.jpg /some/other/damn/long/path > cp /some/other/damn/long/path/blob.jpg . > mv a.pdf b.pdf c.pdf /some/other/damn/long/path > Hmm... I'd probably go for piping ls -1 --color=no into "dialog" and tag the files with space... but then again, calling mc is faster. > This means quite a bit of planning (depending on the needs) and a bunch > path tab completing, up arrow stuff, editing and so on. > > Is there some way to select the files you want and copy/cut them to another > dir - even by going to another console entirely where that dir is current? Can't really follow you here. You mean like cut in one console and paste in another, where you'd paste them..? Interesting... the tricky part is storing the "from" path somewhere. After all, the work dir is only a shell variable. you' have to select files in "from" and store the path and selection.. well, somewhere (/tmp?), then call a fetch script in another console that asks for the selection and from path in tmp (or whereever). Still I'd say calling mc is faster. But for the sheer joy of it lemme know if you find something, I like a good hack. Timtowtdi. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Jan 24 21:26:24 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:26:24 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801231837.45194.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801231537.41905.john@wexfordpress.com> <200801231837.45194.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801242226.24170.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 17:37:45 Donn wrote: > > I usually move to the target directory and use something like: > > Yeah, that's a good trick. > > I wish there was (perhaps there is) a char like '.' that meant 'the dir > before we changed to this dir'. If it was '-' then: > mv -/filename . > would rock. > How about $OLDPWD? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Jan 24 21:28:33 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:28:33 +0100 Subject: OT - Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801242228.33433.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 20:04:51 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 15:57, Donn wrote: > > You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open > > around the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want > > *.jpg but not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of them. > > (snip) > This may not help you but is an introduction to my own question. > I tried something like : > ls | grep .jpg | grep -v blob > That seemed to work > (I tried "ls | grep .png | grep -v snap | grep -v ban" to remove all > snapshot?.png and banner?.png from one of my dirs) > > The problem is I didn't find a method to interface that with mw or cp. > Any tips? Pipe the output into xargs or spare the grp stunt and use find with -a and -o and -not switches plus -exec. One could script this, I guess. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Jan 24 21:33:03 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:33:03 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801232004.51646.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801242233.03899.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 20:32:58 Brad De Vries wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 2:04 PM, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 15:57, Donn wrote: > > > You are in a dir in a console. You have a few consoles (or tabs) open > > > around the place. You want to move some files to another dir. You want > > > *.jpg but not "blob.jpg". You also want a few pdfs, but not all of > > > them. > > > > (snip) > > This may not help you but is an introduction to my own question. > > I tried something like : > > ls | grep .jpg | grep -v blob > > That seemed to work > > (I tried "ls | grep .png | grep -v snap | grep -v ban" to remove all > > snapshot?.png and banner?.png from one of my dirs) > > > > The problem is I didn't find a method to interface that with mw or cp. > > Any tips? > > > > I'm aware this thread is not really KUbuntu specific but I would be very > > reluctant to have to adopt the "one question_one list" approach. > > > > Greetings Perry > > You could use the format: > $ mv `ls | grep ".png" | grep -v "blob"` /the/new/directory > Not bad at all, I'd add -1 --color=no to ls to avoid funny effects. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Jan 24 21:38:16 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:38:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801242226.24170.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801231537.41905.john@wexfordpress.com> <200801231837.45194.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801242226.24170.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20145.206.159.183.75.1201210696.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Dexter Filmore wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 17:37:45 Donn wrote: >> > I usually move to the target directory and use something like: >> >> Yeah, that's a good trick. >> >> I wish there was (perhaps there is) a char like '.' that meant 'the dir >> before we changed to this dir'. If it was '-' then: >> mv -/filename . >> would rock. >> > > How about $OLDPWD? Or use zsh and justs pushd, and ~+. -- Steve Lamb From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 21:41:12 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:41:12 +0200 Subject: Changing Dolphin's encoding In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00801231350x611ffe5enb6aef64b02ccb8bc@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00801240558i10f7b28bj6c1539a5b23cf5ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801241341i74777257s63df3fee522aa6cd@mail.gmail.com> On 24/01/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > I'm new to Kubuntu so i dont know if there is some other way to handle it > here. > And i'm not on my Kubuntu machine at the moment so i can't verify it. > Someone will probably correct me if im wrong. > > In this day it's handle automagically by UDEV and HAL so u dont need to have > an > entry in fstab and where to change the default options for HAL i have no > idea. I agree that if I could find where the HAL options are, I could probably solve this. > The problem with adding it to fstab would be that the card would not > be the same diskdevice all the times you reboot or insert other cards etc. > You can write a custom udev rule so just this card always would be symlinked > to > one name of your choice. Look at > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter07/symlinks.html > for a example of howto do it. Thanks. That's a bit over my head, but I'm learning (and not afraid of it). > But first try to do the mounting manually from a consol to verify that it is > the moint > options that is your problem and set iocharset and codepage to values > whatever you use > in your country. Will do, thanks. > Hope it will help so you get on right track at least. It does give me a few options, and quite a bit of homework... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 24 21:22:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:22:23 -0400 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801241349.03392.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <1337598.K4dPlDxJKs@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801241353.02178.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2180816.OctMhkTYfS@cedar.serverforest.com> Chris Gow wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2008 09:46:04 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > On Thursday 24 January 2008 13:16, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> It would be >> >> more difficult to get _initial_ posts into the folder, because I don't >> >> think you can automatically execute a filter on outgoing mail (I could >> >> be wrong - I haven't wanted to do it, but a quick look at KMail shows >> >> nothing obvious). >> > >> > Message -> create filter -> chose your filter >> >> I don't see anything there that operates on _outgoing_ messages. > > > What about: > Settings > Filters > [pick/create a filter] > Advanced tab > Apply this > filter to sent messages check box > Damn! I always miss those "Advanced" tab options... Thanks -- derek From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 21:46:12 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:46:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: Kubuntu Meeting Minutes (23/01/08) In-Reply-To: <4798FF98.80402@gmail.com> References: <4798FF98.80402@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > The Next Meeting section of the minutes is therefore incorrect (it lists > the next meeting as 23 Jan). Yes, that's what it should be, if we follow the everyweeks meeting schudule, we decided on. I shall update it as soon as I know the exact time and date. Jonathan -- Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jan 24 22:30:22 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:30:22 +0100 Subject: Syntac error. In-Reply-To: <4798FEC5.4070205@sbcglobal.net> References: <4798FEC5.4070205@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200801242330.22278.kassube@gmx.net> Jim wrote: > Trying to to install, install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh and I keep > getting Syntacs Errors, I have run the install two different ways, but > still syntacs errors. > > $ sudo ./install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh > or > $ sudo sh install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh > > What is the correct way to install ? I suppose the problem is the (3) part which is treated wrong by the shell. Try to escape the braces like this: sudo sh install-crossover-standard-6.2.0\(3\).sh Or use quotes like this: sudo sh "install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh" Nils From swimbarrow at googlemail.com Thu Jan 24 23:10:04 2008 From: swimbarrow at googlemail.com (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:10:04 +0000 Subject: Accented characters Message-ID: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> From time to time I want to be able to type words and short passages in French, Italian, Polish and perhaps other languages. To do this I need to be able to access characters with accents. I find it unutterably tedious to go fishing for them in KCharSelect every time I want to use one of these characters, and I don't want to have squillions of alternative keyboard layouts and sticky labels all over my keys (I once used an internet café in Prague and it did my head in.) There has to be a better way, even if only for the basic accented letters in French, surely? Using key sequences? Can anybody help? Rosie -- Currently Reading ATKINSON, KATE: One Good Turn The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jan 24 23:38:34 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:38:34 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4799217A.6040008@tiscali.co.uk> Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > From time to time I want to be able to type words and short passages in > French, Italian, Polish and perhaps other languages. To do this I need to be > able to access characters with accents. I find it unutterably tedious to go > fishing for them in KCharSelect every time I want to use one of these > characters, and I don't want to have squillions of alternative keyboard > layouts and sticky labels all over my keys (I once used an internet café in > Prague and it did my head in.) > > There has to be a better way, even if only for the basic accented letters in > French, surely? Using key sequences? > > Can anybody help? > > Rosie > What keyboard layout do you have? It may be that you can do it already... Try using the key as a modifier like shift and press some keys... :@) Mine's set to "Generic 105-key (Intl) PC" for model and "gb " for layout... use the layout that matches your keyboard, of course. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 00:12:03 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:03 -0700 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <47992953.4020509@gmail.com> Rosalind Mitchell said the following at 01/24/2008 04:10 PM : > > There has to be a better way, even if only for the basic accented letters in > French, surely? Using key sequences? > Yep. There are at least two ways, and which is preferable depends on the frequency with which you have to switch languages/characters. I use both. The first is to use the "compose" key. The details are too complex to put into an e-mail message, so you'd probably do best to google something like 'linux compose key'. The compose key allows you to create individual characters such as Þé£ and so on. On my system, I created those three characters by hitting: right-ctrl-T right-ctrl-H right-ctrl-e ' right-ctrl-L = This is fine for occasional use, but if you need to sometimes type a bunch of characters in a foreign language, you're better off to re-map the keyboard by using System Settings | Regional & Language | Keyboard Layout. I use that to keep a language icon in my system tray, so that by clicking it I can go from a US keyboard to one for Ελλας (i.e., Greece). To get that, I just clicked on the flag in the systray and typed "Ellaw". HTH Doc From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Jan 25 00:00:43 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:00:43 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801222315.01862.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801230931.46028.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <877ihzfv21.fsf@fjellstad.org> <2493396.yQsIo72iZk@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <87ejc6u638.fsf@fjellstad.org> Derek Broughton writes: >> That's basically what I do, although mutt is my primary MUA. > > In KMail, you just set "keep replies in this folder" on the folder > properties (because, of course you keep your list posts in separate > folders :-) ), I basically configured both mutt and kmail to make the inbox the outbox. If you read the links I provided, I basically follow those advice and have three kinds of email folders: inbox/outbox, archive and mailing lists. One thing I really love with kmail is the search folders. Combine that with the labels, and it becomes a much more powerful than the 'ordinary' folders, IMO. GMail really got that right. > Not _entirely_ true. A filter can pass a mail to a pipe, so strictly > you could have the pipe add a label header and drop the mail back into > Inbox. iirc, this is exactly how the spam filters work. Still, it's > something that would be much more usable if a simpler hook was > provided for the user. That's cool. I never considered using the filters to do this. Now, if we could only had the ability to show arbitrary headers... -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Fri Jan 25 00:20:20 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:20:20 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 7.10 live install: a great working PAIN in the neck... Message-ID: ----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kubuntu 7.10 live install: a great working PAIN in the neck... Hello I've been a kubuntu user since breezy. I've got it on both my aging p3 desktop and my AMD Turion 64x2 laptop. I like the idea of only having to edit the sources list to point at the next release and then just use apt-get upgrade to move on to the next stable release without having to backup and restore all my data while I recreate my user accounts and reconfigure all my configuration files to suit my preferences every time. it worked fine when I moved on to dapper. But when I advanced to edgy, my desktop lost something... So when I was ready to upgrade it to 7.10 I decided to backup all my stuff and do a fresh install using the live desktop cd image. I must admit it did a great job. However it was also a serious pain in the err "neck". My p3 desktop is a multi-boot machine. It still has win98se installed along with DrDos and 4 linux installations. Including functioning copies of breezy and of FC1 both of which can burn cd's and play a cd or dvd. Functions which haven't worked reliably on the old p3 in more recent versions of linux. Especially the sound. So I keep the old installations available. I didn't want the installer to do anything with any of the fat or ext2 file systems on the p3 (except to format and install on the 15gig /dev/hdc4 partition. I didn't even want it to make mount points for them in /mnt. I also didn't want it to mess with my existing grub boot loader in the mbr, but I did want it to create it's own grub boot loader on /Dev/FD0 to provide a back up boot method until I had time to manually edit my menu.lst file. I'm real glad I happened to click on an advanced button where I found a place where I could tell it to install grub to the floppy because I'd have been frustrated if it trashed my mbr in favor of it's own boot loader. I must admit it did a surprisingly good job of including all my linux installations in it's own menu.lst however. I found it a bit cumbersome to have to edit each partitions mount point to a blank field (except hdc4 which I edited to "/") and then wait for it to re-examine my partitions before I could edit the next one. And then when I was ready to continue, to have to answer a pop-up warning for each and every one to tell me that if I didn't assign a mount point, it wasn't going to use that partition at all. For all of that, once it was ready to actually do the install, it did a great job. Though I still can't get it to use the sound card, and for some reason, I can't put anything in the cd-rw drive without getting a steady stream of errors. I can use the dvd-rom however, and If I must burn something on the p3, I can always boot the breezy, fc1 or fc6 installations. I'm mostly happy with kubuntu 7.10. I'm thinking of upgrading the edgy on my laptop to it. But I'm a little concerned with media notifications. I really dislike my computer taking any action (including sending me a pop-up input box) just because I stick a disk in a drive. I prefer to launch whichever application I happen to feel like using when I'm ready to use it, via cli in a bash shell and/or the run prompt. But danged if I can remember how I stopped breezy, dapper, edgy, fc1, or fc6 from interrupting and/or delaying my own access to it while it puts that durned pop-up in my way... If anybody would be so kind as to refresh my memory on how to stop that behavior with Kubuntu 7.10, I'd greatly appreciate it... 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To do this I need to be able to access characters with accents...... Your problem is perfectly understandable to me. In the following way I manage to catch more than 80% of the accented characters I often use via a simple, efficient key board approach. Go to K-MENU >> System settings >> personal: 'regional language'. Now, go to 'keyboard lay-out'. Choose the following key board lay out: 'us English'. Then, choose the following LAY-OUT VARIANT: 'intl.'. So, you will get 'US International', the one with the so-called 'dead keys'. As a result, you can use the following keys to accent characters: " (ë, ä, ö, ÿ, ü, ....). ' (é, á, ó, ć, ś, ....) ` (à, ù, è, ......) ~ (ñ, õ, .....) Press on the accent key you need ONE time: by example ". Than, press on another key by means of which you want to create the accented character: by example, e, a, or whatever. As a result, you will get ë, ä,, etc. If you press ", ´, ~, ...etc. two times each, you will get the ", ´, ~, ...etc. So if you want to type 'She says that ...', you simply need to press ' two times in order to generate the quote and unquote signs. > From time to time I want to be able to type words and short passages in French, Italian, Polish and perhaps other languages. To do this I need to be able to access characters with accents. I find it unutterably tedious to go fishing for them in KCharSelect every time I want to use one of these characters,........ > If you follow the steps suggested above, the role of KCharSelect and other tedious, artificial methods will deminish considerably. By example, for French only the ç needs to be inserted from a character map. All the other accented signs can be taken by simply typing two digits each from the keyboard: é, è, à, etc. However, if someone has a better idea how to compose the ç, I would love to hear it...... I hope to have helped you sufficiently well. Respectfully Yours, Bas. From stew.schneider at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 00:31:19 2008 From: stew.schneider at gmail.com (Stew Schneider) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:31:19 -0500 Subject: Two successful tips on HP & Wireless Message-ID: <47992DD7.3010707@gmail.com> Since wireless is such an active topic, I thought I'd share with you two tips which came my way. Tip 1: One of the non-profits I administer received a brand-new HP 6510b dual core. Unfortunately, it was delivered with Vista Business on it. With a machine that badly infected, the director sent it straight to me for repair. My first few attempts to work with the infection were, not surprisingly, ineffective, so I determined to install Gutsy on it, to try and salvage the hardware. Surprisingly, neither the live CD, a thumb-drive or the alternate CD would install. After much Googling, I found that this is not uncommon for HP laptops and that it is necessary to first clear a partition with gparted. Following that, the installation went very smoothly. Tip 2: Once I had a running installation, I tried to connect with the wireless net. No go. I could detect the signal, but could not authenticate. I began to rummage through the really huge amount of material on wireless for Gutsy, when a thought came to me. Non-profits almost always work on hand-me-down equipment. What version of the firmware might be on the router? Turns out it was two major revisions behind. Updating the router's firmware instantly solved the authentication/encryption problem. Even though Linux still suffers from wireless problems, don't immediately assume that Linux is the cause of the problem until you have also looked at the other end of the conversation. HTH YMMV FWIW stew From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 05:16:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:16:59 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801242226.24170.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801231837.45194.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801242226.24170.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200801250716.59875.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > How about $OLDPWD? Sweet - now that's news! \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dave at thedavefactor.com Fri Jan 25 05:47:09 2008 From: dave at thedavefactor.com (Dave Vincenty) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:47:09 -0500 Subject: Something About File Managers In-Reply-To: <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479977DD.5050706@thedavefactor.com> Hi, everyone. I've finally caught up on this list after deciding to delete 5,000 or so unread posts and then making myself skim through the most recent 600 or so, and I've noticed some rather alarming things said about Konqueror. I don't plan on using KDE 4 until I read at least two good reviews of KDE 4.1.x, so I don't know what's going on there, but here is what I feel like I should say: Konqueror has my favorite Linux app since the first day I ever used Linux. Even after I switched to Ubuntu, I specifically downloaded Konqueror and used it for Gnome-related file-managing and such. (This was before I realized there was this thing called Kubuntu that was basically Ubuntu with all my favorite apps preinstalled.) Anyways... correct me if I'm wrong here, but Konqueror is a multi-purpose program with a front-end patterned after Microsoft's Explorer... a file manager at heart which also contains a Web layout engine called KHTML (which is also at the heart of Apple's Safari) to handle HTTP and such protocols and display Web content. In addition to that, it contains embedded components called KParts that let it display different kinds of files without having to open a new window or load a whole new program. In addition to these things (that I think have been talked about already), it contains KIO (short for KDE Input/Output), so that it can handle remote files out there in the world someplace the same way it handles local files. Okay, so here comes my point. Konqueror is my file manager and my FTP client and my web browser for the purpose of testing stuff. It's easy to say, open a few tabs at various folders on my hard drive, and open a few tabs at various folders in a Fedora-based web server that I'm paying for access on, and start editing things remotely in Kate (after I've connected via FTP using Konqueror), uploading other things, and looking at previews of both images and HTML pages on my local directories. I'm sorry if this has already been asked and answered (since I've tried to pay especially close attention to anything that mentions Konqueror), but if Konqueror is changing, where can I find out exactly what's going on, and if I need to start using something else, what can I use to manage both local and remote files and test Web content as easily as I always have with Konqueror under KDE 3? Sorry about the length of this post, by the way. ~~ dave ~~ --- I'll have a sig file, someday. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 09:24:54 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:24:54 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <1637817.uD1zhS2Oog@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801240342.55948.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1637817.uD1zhS2Oog@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801251024.54730.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 24 January 2008 14:07:07 Derek Broughton wrote: > I think it's a feature too - but it's a little odd that they don't make it > an option. I agree they should make that an option especially when the message is sent to a mailing list where one _expects_ to see the sent message listed. As we have often seen, and again just recently when even our moderator got caught up in the cathes of a momentarely not functioning ML server, the sender feels something when wrong along the pipeline and sends the message again once, twice and so on. When using GMail SMTP while reading locally with the favourite e-mail program, a GMail account user should be warned about this uncommon behaviour. Otherwise he/she will start thinking something has gone wrong with the subscription. On the other end if the user reads the list on-line on GMail browser's interface he/she might never know when the message _really_ has not made it to the ML - even if we know nowdays that that's' unlikely to happen - and therefore may start thinking nobody has an answer to offer or, worse, getting eventually hit by the "nobody loves me but my mother" syndrome. :-D That is because in this case, as we have checked, the sent message it will be correctly listed/labelled and readable on that web interface. -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 09:34:30 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:34:30 +0100 Subject: Gmail hides my own kubuntu-users posts In-Reply-To: <2180816.OctMhkTYfS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <21ec8dcb0801221140g12fa1012i52a8102f3cd4e160@mail.gmail.com> <200801241353.02178.sniffy@rogers.com> <2180816.OctMhkTYfS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801251034.30309.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 24 January 2008 22:22:23 Derek Broughton wrote: > Damn!  I always miss those "Advanced" tab options... Thanks LOL! I used those, but completely missed the "keep replies in this folder" option in folder proprieties so... thanx! -- lanzen From lacsilva at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 09:50:19 2008 From: lacsilva at gmail.com (=?utf-8?q?Lu=C3=ADs_Silva?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:50:19 +0100 Subject: Something About File Managers Message-ID: <200801251050.19896.lacsilva@gmail.com> Hi! I wouldn't worry a lot about this. I have been compiling kde4 from source for a long time and use it regularly. Konqueror retains ALL of its features. The only difference is that the file manager part comes from dolphin. All the kio and kparts architectures remain EXACTLY the same from a user point of view. For KDE4 dolphin is the default file manager. It starts faster than konqui and is more usable (and prety) IMHO. This doesn't mean you will be forced to use it directly. You can configure KDE to use konqueror as the default file manager instead. Cheers, -- Luís Silva From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Jan 25 09:34:12 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:34:12 +0100 Subject: Accented characters References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <873asm2qqz.fsf@fjellstad.org> Bas Roufs writes: > If you follow the steps suggested above, the role of KCharSelect and > other tedious, artificial methods will deminish considerably. By > example, for French only the ç needs to be inserted from a character > map. All the other accented signs can be taken by simply typing two > digits each from the keyboard: é, è, à, etc. However, if someone has a > better idea how to compose the ç, I would love to hear it...... If you enable the compose key in System Settings->Regional & Language->Keyboard Layout->Xkb Options you can compose ç by typing compose key + , (comma) + c Look at the document /usr/share/X11/locale//Compose (at my place, it would be /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From swimbarrow at googlemail.com Fri Jan 25 10:11:04 2008 From: swimbarrow at googlemail.com (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:11:04 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> On Friday 25 January 2008 00:36:04 Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Rosie Hello Bas > the following key board lay out: 'us English'. Then, choose the > following LAY-OUT VARIANT: 'intl.'. So, you will get 'US International', Aha! Caught you out in a little presumption! ;) Fortunately the GB keyboard has an 'intl' variant too. Iḿ (whoops!) delighted to see that with the ^ key I can also get ŷ and ŵ should I ever want to type Welsh (surely they should be available anyway on any true GB keyboard but let´s not go there.) The ç is bit of a bugger. I can get ¢ with AltGr-C but I can't think of anywhere a little limey girl like me might use it (I don't think my many American friends use it very much either, come to think of it) and I wish I could customise it to give me a ç but I dare say I can use a compose key for this as Doc suggests. > ...etc. So if you want to type 'She says that ...', you simply need to > press ' two times in order to generate the quote and unquote signs. As a writer who does lots of dialogue this could be a pain but maybe I´ll (whoops!) get used to it. Or perhaps I could adopt «French quoting», which I find is easy with AltGr-Z and AltGr-X. This could be fun! > I hope to have helped you sufficiently well. Indeed, and thanks to you and everybody else who has replied. Rosie -- Currently Reading ATKINSON, KATE: One Good Turn The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 10:57:01 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:57:01 +0200 Subject: Problem in my Kubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200801250741.02723.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <200801241546.22665.eprosoft@gmail.com> <200801251211.17866.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801250741.02723.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801251257.02072.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Yes I Did it. and see the icon tray, a little speaker, but has and X simbol > over the icon. > > Try running kmix from a konsole. > > Or press Alt+F2 and type kmix and press enter. > > You *should* see a speaker icon in the tray. Um... could that be showing it's muted? What happens when you right click on the kmix icon? \d -- Imbesi's Law of the Conservation of Filth: In order for something to become clean, something else must become dirty. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 25 11:08:25 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:08:25 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4799C329.7030309@tiscali.co.uk> Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > The ç is bit of a bugger. I can get ¢ with AltGr-C but I can't think of > anywhere a little limey girl like me might use it (I don't think my many > American friends use it very much either, come to think of it) and I wish I > could customise it to give me a ç but I dare say I can use a compose key for > this as Doc suggests. On my default gb keyboard map, «ç» ( :@þ ) is = c ... Accents are on the punctuation keys to the right of the keyboard, activated by . -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 11:22:12 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:22:12 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu Message-ID: I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not work. How can I do this? Sure I can do it from the command like but my daughter can't. I click would be good. DEK From swimbarrow at googlemail.com Fri Jan 25 10:23:46 2008 From: swimbarrow at googlemail.com (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:23:46 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <873asm2qqz.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> <873asm2qqz.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200801251023.51723.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> On Friday 25 January 2008 09:34:12 John L Fjellstad wrote: > If you enable the compose key in > System Settings->Regional & Language->Keyboard Layout->Xkb Options > you can compose ç by typing compose key + , (comma) + c > Look at the document /usr/share/X11/locale//Compose > (at my place, it would be /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose) Ah, this is even better as it gets round the quotes problem and also gives me a use for the redundant 'Window' key on my keyboard! Many thanks once again to all who have helped. 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URL: From sniffy at rogers.com Fri Jan 25 13:53:52 2008 From: sniffy at rogers.com (Chris Gow) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:53:52 -0500 Subject: Something About File Managers In-Reply-To: <479977DD.5050706@thedavefactor.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> <479977DD.5050706@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <200801250853.52885.sniffy@rogers.com> On Friday 25 January 2008 00:47:09 Dave Vincenty wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > > Anyways... correct me if I'm wrong here, but Konqueror is a > multi-purpose program with a front-end patterned after Microsoft's > Explorer... a file manager at heart which also contains a Web layout > engine called KHTML (which is also at the heart of Apple's Safari) to > handle HTTP and such protocols and display Web content. In addition to > that, it contains embedded components called KParts that let it display > different kinds of files without having to open a new window or load a > whole new program. In addition to these things (that I think have been > talked about already), it contains KIO (short for KDE Input/Output), so > that it can handle remote files out there in the world someplace the > same way it handles local files. Yes, Konqueror is a multi-purpose application. Any KDE application can embed KParts, its not a Konqueror only feature. Same with the KIO slaves. So, for example in Kate you can open and save a file via ftp (ftp://) or ssh(fish://) or any other mechanism that you have a slave for. > > Okay, so here comes my point. Konqueror is my file manager and my FTP > client and my web browser for the purpose of testing stuff. It's easy > to say, open a few tabs at various folders on my hard drive, and open a > few tabs at various folders in a Fedora-based web server that I'm paying > for access on, and start editing things remotely in Kate (after I've > connected via FTP using Konqueror), uploading other things, and looking > at previews of both images and HTML pages on my local directories. As far as I know, you will still be able to do that. You will/are able to configure Konqueror to be your file manager instead of Dolphin. Dolphin however, is the default file manager for KDE now. > > I'm sorry if this has already been asked and answered (since I've tried > to pay especially close attention to anything that mentions Konqueror), > but if Konqueror is changing, where can I find out exactly what's going > on, and if I need to start using something else, what can I use to > manage both local and remote files and test Web content as easily as I > always have with Konqueror under KDE 3? The konqueror mailing list is kfm-devel at kde.org. You can look at the archive at gmane (http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.kfm). I'm not subscribed to the list, nor do I monitor it, so I can't tell you how much traffic is on it. You /should/ be able to keep working pretty much exactly as you currently are in KDE 3. As I say above, you can configure Konqueror to be your default file manager. If you choose to use dolphin, you can continue to manage local/remote files and use a separate web browser for testing web content. Personally, I haven't had any problems with using dolphin so far. Others on this list don't like it, so YMMV. -- chris > > Sorry about the length of this post, by the way. > > ~~ dave ~~ > > --- > I'll have a sig file, someday. From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 14:04:03 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:04:03 +0300 Subject: Syntac error. In-Reply-To: <4798FEC5.4070205@sbcglobal.net> References: <4798FEC5.4070205@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4799EC53.6030608@gmail.com> Jim wrote: > Kubuntu-7.10 > Trying to to install, install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh and I keep > getting Syntacs Errors, I have run the install two different ways, but > still syntacs errors. > > $ sudo ./install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh > or > $ sudo sh install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh > > What is the correct way to install ? > > I think that's because this script is written in 'bash', but 'sh' is specified in the first line. Most distributives use symlink sh->bash, but kubuntu has sh->dash. So you have two ways: 1. unlink sh, make link sh->bash 2. edit script "install-crossover-bla-bla-bla", replace 'sh' with 'bash' in the first line. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 14:26:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:26:17 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line Message-ID: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, Well, I went and made a wee script to do that copy/paste imitation I spoke of earlier. If anyone wants to erase their driv... er test it, then it's at: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui/0.0.2a Expect bugs. :) \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 14:34:31 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:34:31 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801251634.31639.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Er... Make that: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui \d > at: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui/0.0.2a From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 17:54:22 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:54:22 -0700 Subject: SMS? Message-ID: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> I recently entered the 21st century by purchasing a phone with SMS capability, which means that it now makes sense for me to install an SMS-sending program on my main Kubuntu system. I did a search in Synaptic for "sms" and it seems like there are several possible clients one can use to send SMS messages from Kubuntu (in particular, from within Kontact). Which package do people here recommend? If it makes a difference, I am in the US. Doc From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Jan 25 17:22:10 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:22:10 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801241840.16484.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801241906.08062.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801241840.16484.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801251822.10493.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Thursday 24 January 2008 19:40, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > (Finding the -v option for grep took me a long time, I first searched in > > regexp, then on the net, found nothing...and discovered it by chance) > > Man grep? Yes, but on only on 2nd or 3rd pass, was making a fixation on the regexp. From the net I got the feeling I'm not the only one to have misset that. Perry -- To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists solutions are things that are still all mixed up. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Fri Jan 25 18:37:31 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:37:31 +0000 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479A2C6B.4060106@yahoo.it> D. R. Evans wrote: > I recently entered the 21st century by purchasing a phone with SMS > capability, which means that it now makes sense for me to install an > SMS-sending program on my main Kubuntu system. > > I did a search in Synaptic for "sms" and it seems like there are several > possible clients one can use to send SMS messages from Kubuntu (in > particular, from within Kontact). Which package do people here recommend? > > If it makes a difference, I am in the US. > > Doc > KMobileTools works nicely for my Sony Ericsson (go and download the latest version from its site, however, the one in the repositories right now does not update the list of sms on the phone). I. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Jan 25 18:39:43 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:39:43 +0100 Subject: Terminal Window In-Reply-To: References: <200801211244.02986.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801251939.43167.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On Monday 21 January 2008 18:56:47 Wes Hegge wrote: > Several way I can think to do this. > > First is history. Linux keeps a history of your commands. You can do > 'history | grep ' this will give you a numbered list of previous > commands. You then can do '!' to execute that command again. > > The other way is to use aliases. This you would make in the .bashrc or > whatever shell system you are using configuration's file is called. Here is > an example: alias rm='rm -i' This would go into ~/.bash_aliases in Kubuntu and is parsed on login. Good idea not to put it in .bashrc but call it from there, survives system updates. One should remember that new aliases won't tak effect until it is a *login* shell, so new tabs in konsole are not affected until you manually source .bash_aliases. Dex P.S.: there seems to be a growing interest in command line hacking, is there a "kubuntu-bash" list or so...? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a- C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From nepal.roade at virgin.net Fri Jan 25 18:41:47 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:41:47 +0000 Subject: Something About File Managers In-Reply-To: <479977DD.5050706@thedavefactor.com> References: <200801171445.31190.cms0009@gmail.com> <478FB903.2090902@gmail.com> <479977DD.5050706@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <200801251841.47710.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Friday 25 January 2008, Dave Vincenty wrote: > if Konqueror is changing, where can I find out exactly > what's going on, and if I need to start using something > else, what can I use to manage both local and remote > files and test Web content as easily as I always have > with Konqueror under KDE 3? > > Sorry about the length of this post, by the way. > > ~~ dave ~~ Hi Dave, My opinion is that there has been some FUD about Konqueror and its future on this list. Read this; http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ The impression that I get from this article is that konqueror is not going away at all. IMO there is an intention to push people away from konqueror to dolphin and that this is only a kubuntu thing. nepal. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 18:56:33 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:56:33 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff In-Reply-To: <200801251913.25862.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801231657.05287.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801242124.11651.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801251913.25862.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801252056.33674.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Sorry, I thought "élucubration" would be the same in english, actually it > is: lucubration. wild imaginings... I was just enjoying that word and now you go tell me it's not English :) > So you were serious :O) > Then could you please share the result when you are done. You betcha :) I did send a mail to the list, but I don't think it got there. Anyway, I put the script on the Cheese Shop, here: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui Be cool to know if it works, because making an installable Python app is so damn tricky. \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 25 19:41:28 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:41:28 -0500 Subject: Video out to LCD In-Reply-To: <47950D1C.7030802@sbcglobal.net> References: <479136B0.6050304@sbcglobal.net> <200801190653.20495.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47950D1C.7030802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <479A3B68.9050103@sbcglobal.net> Jim wrote: > Donn wrote: >>> What settings do I change to get Kubuntu to work ? >>> >> Compare the /etc/X11/xorg.conf files from both systems. Be sure to >> backup your kubuntu one before changing it... >> >> \d >> >> >> > I have been working on it but with no results. > I changed the Sections Monitor, Screen, video Device , the same as > Fedora 8 that is working fine. > Below is my xorg.conf Problem solved. The 'nv' driver in ubuntu isn't playing nice, I don't no what the difference the "nv" driver is between Fedora and Ubuntu but I couldn't get it to drive a externel LCD properly, no matter how much I tweaked the xorg.conf file. Fedora "nv" driver has no problems driving the external LCD on a Dell Laptop. Both OS's are on the same Dell Laptop. I had to install the "nvidia" driver on Ubuntu-7.10, that solved the problem. From lildee5083 at aol.com Fri Jan 25 19:46:31 2008 From: lildee5083 at aol.com (Caleb Washington) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:46:31 -0500 Subject: HELPP CDROM WONT WORK!!! Message-ID: _____ From: lildee5083 at aol.com [mailto:lildee5083 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:29 PM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: HELPP CDROM ok somebody help me... i cant enable the cd-rom drives. the automatic feature will not work.. what do i need to do? ~Caleb PS>> im sorta a novice at Linux :) _____ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marce34 at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 20:29:13 2008 From: marce34 at gmail.com (Marce) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:29:13 +0100 Subject: KDE4 panels Message-ID: <479A4699.8050602@gmail.com> Hi kders! IMHO KDE4 is heading to a promising future, but googling was useless to find a way to reduce the size of the lower panel bar, as my puter doesn't have a big screen. Is it possible? Removing the system task panel was too easy, so I did it by mistake. Embarrasingly, I couldn't figure out how to re-add it. Can you help me? Regards, //.arce From nixternal at kubuntu.org Fri Jan 25 21:23:11 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:23:11 -0600 Subject: KDE4 panels In-Reply-To: <479A4699.8050602@gmail.com> References: <479A4699.8050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801251523.15139.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Friday 25 January 2008, Marce wrote: | Hi kders! | | IMHO KDE4 is heading to a promising future, but googling was useless to | find a way to reduce the size of the lower panel bar, as my puter | doesn't have a big screen. Is it possible? It should be possible within the next 2 weeks I believe with the 4.0.1 release. I have messed around with the plasmarc configuration file, but my changes to the size and what not didn't work. So hopefully the 4.0.1 release will fix this, and if anyone is using the SVN builds, maybe you can say 'yay or nay' to this. | Removing the system task panel was too easy, so I did it by mistake. | Embarrasingly, I couldn't figure out how to re-add it. Can you help me? I just removed ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc, logged out and then logged back in and it showed up :) You can see I have messed around in the past and done the same thing. Do note that this will remove any plasmoids you have added to your desktop, so you will have to re-add them, which is easy enough. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From marce34 at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 22:24:32 2008 From: marce34 at gmail.com (Marce) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:24:32 +0100 Subject: KDE4 panels In-Reply-To: <200801251523.15139.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <479A4699.8050602@gmail.com> <200801251523.15139.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <479A61A0.6000405@gmail.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > It should be possible within the next 2 weeks I believe with the 4.0.1 release. > I have messed around with the plasmarc configuration file, but my changes to > the size and what not didn't work. So hopefully the 4.0.1 release will fix > this, and if anyone is using the SVN builds, maybe you can say 'yay or nay' to > this. Do you know if installing KDE4 by following the instructions in kubuntu.org (http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php) it will be upgraded automatically? > I just removed ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc, logged out and then logged back in > and it showed up :) You can see I have messed around in the past and done the > same thing. Do note that this will remove any plasmoids you have added to your > desktop, so you will have to re-add them, which is easy enough. Thanks a lot. I should have guessed it :) Regards, //.arce From k7qo at commspeed.net Fri Jan 25 22:56:07 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:56:07 -0700 Subject: bash suffix removal Message-ID: <200801251556.08021.k7qo@commspeed.net> This group is so sharp I thought I'd ask here as my search hasn't come up with an answer. Since, after 30+ years of using the C-shell and giving up my fight to convert the masses, I have been trying to learn the bash shell, I need the following. In the C-shell if you have a variable $i, the syntax $i:r removes the suffix. Thus if $i is file.jpg, the $i:r is file and you can write $i:r.ps to get file.ps I use loops to do a number of files, thus for i in *.jpg do jpeg2ps $i > $i:r.ps done is the desired sequence, but $:r.ps isn't the correct syntax in bash. Help. Simple syntax available? Hate to be ignorant. ciao, Chuck I knew you could do it. -- Chuck Adams, K7QO k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 23:49:43 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:49:43 +0200 Subject: bash suffix removal In-Reply-To: <200801251556.08021.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <200801251556.08021.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <200801260149.43874.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, here's what I made a note of: $ var=file.jpg To remove at end: %: $ echo ${var%jpg} file. To remove at start: #: $ echo ${var#file} .jpg To kill entire type: $ echo ${var%.*} file HTH, \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 23:45:22 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:45:22 +0100 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hey Rosie! .....'US International', > > Aha! Caught you out in a little presumption! ;) :-)! > Fortunately the GB keyboard > has an 'intl' variant too. Is there any major difference between the GB and US keyboard apart from the Pound and Dollar signs? > Iḿ (whoops!) If you need the ' - sign in 'I'm', there are two tricks to get it: two times pressing at ', as I said before; one time pressing at ', a second time at the tabulator, the big and long button at the bottom part of the key board. > delighted to see that with the ^ key > I can also get ŷ and ŵ should I ever want to type Welsh (surely they should > be available anyway on any true GB keyboard but let´s not go there.) exactly! > The ç is bit of a bugger. I can get ¢ with AltGr-C but I can't think of > anywhere a little limey girl like me might use it (I don't think my many > American friends use it very much either, come to think of it) and I wish I > could customise it to give me a ç but I dare say I can use a compose key for > this as Doc suggests. I already experimented with his suggestions - now I use the WIN key as compose key - it works very good, also for accented caracters that are not being covered by the intl. keys (', ", ^, ). Also the ç can be composed like this: COMPOSE KEY, than , than c. > > ...etc. So if you want to type 'She says that ...', you simply need to > > press ' two times in order to generate the quote and unquote signs. > > As a writer who does lots of dialogue this could be a pain but maybe I´ll > (whoops!) get used to it. After a few days you wil get used to it. I often use the tabulator button below to get the quotation signs ' or ". First press at by example ', than the tabulator. > Or perhaps I could adopt «French quoting», which I > find is easy with AltGr-Z and AltGr-X. Good idea! Thank everybody for the interesting contributions to this thread. Warm greetings, Bas. > > This could be fun! > > > I hope to have helped you sufficiently well. > > Indeed, and thanks to you and everybody else who has replied. > > Rosie > > > -- > Currently Reading ATKINSON, KATE: One Good Turn > The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- -- ************************ Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. ************************ From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 23:47:58 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:47:58 -0700 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479A2C6B.4060106@yahoo.it> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A2C6B.4060106@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> Ignazio Palmisano said the following at 01/25/2008 11:37 AM : > D. R. Evans wrote: >> >> I did a search in Synaptic for "sms" and it seems like there are several >> possible clients one can use to send SMS messages from Kubuntu (in >> particular, from within Kontact). Which package do people here recommend? >> >> If it makes a difference, I am in the US. > > KMobileTools works nicely for my Sony Ericsson (go and download the > latest version from its site, however, the one in the repositories right > now does not update the list of sms on the phone). > The blurb for KMobileTools says: ---- KDE application for controlling your mobile phone KMobileTools is a nice KDE application that allows you to control your mobile phone from your GNU/Linux PC. It's based on a Motorola C350 and C650, but it's also compatible with other mobile phones like Nokia, Ericsson and Siemens. ---- Which doesn't sound at all like what I am looking for. I don't want to control anything; I just want to be able send an SMS from the computer to people's phones. It doesn't seem right that it should matter what kind of phone they have, since SMS is SMS, regardless of the phone. In Kontact configuration there is a section called "Script Hooks" that has an entry labelled "SMS text" (which is currently blank, but presumably will need something in it once an SMS client is installed on the system). Unfortunately, the Kontact so-called help is considerably less than helpful in regard to all this :-( Doc PS I installed kmobiletools anyway, in case I was misunderstanding its description, but it definitely isn't what I was looking for. It seems to want to talk to my phone somehow (bluetooth, usb or serial) which makes no sense if all I want to do is to send an SMS to (say) my wife's phone. So I've uninstalled it. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 00:43:01 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:43:01 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801251943.01406.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 25 January 2008, Knapp wrote: > I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does > the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not > work. What does "setcd -x 1" do? I have no idea, and so I don't know which way to be thinking for reasons why it isn't working as a menu clickable thing. -- D. Michael McIntyre From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jan 25 20:51:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:51:25 -0400 Subject: Syntac error. References: <4798FEC5.4070205@sbcglobal.net> <4799EC53.6030608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1467262.6SPVzvJASx@cedar.serverforest.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Jim wrote: >> Kubuntu-7.10 >> Trying to to install, install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh and I keep >> getting Syntacs Errors, I have run the install two different ways, but >> still syntacs errors. >> >> $ sudo ./install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh >> or >> $ sudo sh install-crossover-standard-6.2.0(3).sh >> >> What is the correct way to install ? >> >> > I think that's because this script is written in 'bash', but 'sh' is > specified in the first line. > Most distributives use symlink sh->bash, but kubuntu has sh->dash. > > So you have two ways: > 1. unlink sh, make link sh->bash > 2. edit script "install-crossover-bla-bla-bla", replace 'sh' with 'bash' > in the first line. At least 3 ways: sudo bash install... -- derek From dave at thedavefactor.com Sat Jan 26 04:54:12 2008 From: dave at thedavefactor.com (Dave Vincenty) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:54:12 -0500 Subject: Something About File Managers In-Reply-To: <200801251050.19896.lacsilva@gmail.com> References: <200801251050.19896.lacsilva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479ABCF4.5000401@thedavefactor.com> Luís Silva wrote: > Konqueror retains ALL of its features. The only difference is that the file manager part comes from dolphin. All the kio and kparts architectures remain EXACTLY the same from a user point of view. Chris Gow wrote: > The konqueror mailing list is kfm-devel at kde.org. You can look at the archive at gmane (http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.kfm). ... > > You /should/ be able to keep working pretty much exactly as you currently are in KDE 3. nepal wrote: > there has been some FUD about Konqueror ... Read this; > http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ Thanks to everybody who responded to my question, especially with those links. The article from KDE News answered all the questions I hadn't thought to ask yet about Konqueror and Dolphin, and I guess I'll be okay FTPing with Dolphin or maybe Krusader if I need to. ~~~ dave ~~~ -- Almost a genius. From dave at thedavefactor.com Sat Jan 26 05:13:46 2008 From: dave at thedavefactor.com (Dave Vincenty) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:13:46 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove Message-ID: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> Here's something I've wanted to ask for a while. Okay, I've been getting a message when I run "apt-get": > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer > required: > knetwalk kpat libdb4.4++ libstrigiqtdbusclient0 liblash2 ksokoban > kolf blinken krec kscd kshisen kmoon kmahjongg klaptopdaemon ksig ksim > kwifimanager libqimageblitz4 kcharselect guile-1.8 kjumpingcube > kdeartwork-style sooperlooper kregexpeditor kdeartwork-misc kcoloredit > artsbuilder kdessh kanagram freebirth-data knode kmrml katomic > libcvsservice0 kleopatra kdegames-card-data kruler qamix lilypond-data > ktux klettres libportaudio2 kdebase-data-kde4 tapiir kgoldrunner > kbackgammon kpoker terminatorx dirmngr kdepim-kfile-plugins librdf0 > libkiten1 kgeography libsoundtouch1c2 kpackage liblockdev1 kenolaba > zynaddsubfx freqtweak kblackbox gtick atlantikdesigner konsolekalendar > klatin kfloppy muse csound audacity kstars ttf-dustin ksame kbruch > shaketracker libkdegames1 freebirth libqt4-qt3support kcalc denemo > libmimelib1c2a keduca kandy kdeedu-data kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data > libsqlite0 bitscope kdeartwork-theme-icon kweather kmplot kalzium > ksirc kde-icons-oxygen puredata librss1 klinkstatus klickety > kpovmodeler ksayit librasqal0 kmouth kalarm noatun-plugins kworldclock > mpeglib kalzium-data kdewebdev bristol kdegames kicker-applets > amor kdict guile-1.8-libs ktouch kgeography-data ktnef khexedit > kdeaccessibility kedit kbounce kvoctrain jackeq libgtkmm1.2-0c2a > libsoprano4 kdetoys kimagemapeditor atlantik jdelay tidy > libtidy-0.99-0 kwordquiz kview ktron ttf-sjfonts kdelibs5-data cvs > kdenetwork libtiff-tools kttsd libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-1c2a > kdeartwork-emoticons dcoprss ksysv mixxx kwin4 kdewallpapers > libksieve0 kuser klettres-data kreversi kdf libcaptury0 qsampler > kspaceduel libgle3 kig vkeybd juk noatun klines jack-rack > fifteenapplet libmxml1 kdemultimedia mixxx-data kfaxview kstars-data > libsigc++-1.2-5c2 qsynth edict lskat libarts1-mpeglib > kaddressbook-plugins kgamma kviewshell kfilereplace libqt4-sql > kommander timemachine kdeutils lilypond kdegraphics kaboodle > libphonon4 khangman jack-tools fluidsynth aconnectgui libindex0 > kanjidic kdeartwork-theme-window xscreensaver-gl-extra beast > ksmiletris tk707 libarts1-audiofile kxsldbg quanta kbattleship > kiconedit kdeadmin kpilot libsigc++0c2 kasteroids seq24 kfouleggs > libkdeedu3 rosegarden-data libcapseo0 libkgantt0 knewsticker ksnake > patchage kiten eyesapplet swami kdat indi kdeedu kdelirc kpercentage > superkaramba kjots kfax ksirtet xserver-xorg-input-synaptics kmines > kdvi kget meterbridge kdebase-runtime-data kgpg jackbeat > alsa-tools-gui konquest kate-plugins kolourpaint kdepimlibs-data > kdeaddons-kfile-plugins xscreensaver-data-extra libarts1-xine > ktuberling kturtle kaudiocreator ktimer liblscp quanta-data kmid > texinfo kteatime kverbos jamin kodo > Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. Now, this is a long list, and it tells me this EVERY time I use APT for anything. I know a few of these are things that were left over after I purged KDE 4.0.0 from my system, and I'm sure a lot of what's on this list could be removed without me even noticing the difference, but "alsa-tools-gui"? Don't I need that to, like, change volume when I'm not in KDE? And I certainly don't want to get rid of "xscreensaver-gl-extra" and lose my beautiful bouncing cow. Plus, I've always wanted to start up SuperKaramba and see if I actually need it for anything. So my question is ... is there a way to make it stop telling me to remove packages? And if I really do need to remove packages, can I pull up a list to autoremove, but pick which ones I want to keep? Alternatively, maybe there is something I installed (an optional add-on to APT?) that's meant to remove unused packages to maximize my hard drive space. I don't think I want to remove such a function ... simply to make it shut up and have it only offer polite suggestions when I decide to see them. Thanks in advance. ~~~ dave ~~~ -- Have you mooed today? From ejviolet at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 05:59:44 2008 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:59:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: disk and dvdWriter on one ide-chanel In-Reply-To: <200801242125.11795.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <611903.71924.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Donn wrote: > > didn't work. Is it not possible to use a harddisk and a dvd-rom > >at the same ide-chanel? > I have never got that to work. Always put writers on master > channels. I got this to work several times by setting the DVDROM as master and the HD as slave. I haven't had much luck using cable select though. Sometimes I needed to go into the BIOS and reset the drive information too. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From sonoftheclayr at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 06:11:21 2008 From: sonoftheclayr at gmail.com (Luke Knowles) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:11:21 +1100 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: On 1/26/08, Dave Vincenty wrote: > > Here's something I've wanted to ask for a while. > > Okay, I've been getting a message when I run "apt-get": > > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer > > required: > > knetwalk kpat libdb4.4++ libstrigiqtdbusclient0 liblash2 ksokoban > > kolf blinken krec kscd kshisen kmoon kmahjongg klaptopdaemon ksig ksim > > kwifimanager libqimageblitz4 kcharselect guile-1.8 kjumpingcube > > kdeartwork-style sooperlooper kregexpeditor kdeartwork-misc kcoloredit > > artsbuilder kdessh kanagram freebirth-data knode kmrml katomic > > libcvsservice0 kleopatra kdegames-card-data kruler qamix lilypond-data > > ktux klettres libportaudio2 kdebase-data-kde4 tapiir kgoldrunner > > kbackgammon kpoker terminatorx dirmngr kdepim-kfile-plugins librdf0 > > libkiten1 kgeography libsoundtouch1c2 kpackage liblockdev1 kenolaba > > zynaddsubfx freqtweak kblackbox gtick atlantikdesigner konsolekalendar > > klatin kfloppy muse csound audacity kstars ttf-dustin ksame kbruch > > shaketracker libkdegames1 freebirth libqt4-qt3support kcalc denemo > > libmimelib1c2a keduca kandy kdeedu-data kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data > > libsqlite0 bitscope kdeartwork-theme-icon kweather kmplot kalzium > > ksirc kde-icons-oxygen puredata librss1 klinkstatus klickety > > kpovmodeler ksayit librasqal0 kmouth kalarm noatun-plugins kworldclock > > mpeglib kalzium-data kdewebdev bristol kdegames kicker-applets > > amor kdict guile-1.8-libs ktouch kgeography-data ktnef khexedit > > kdeaccessibility kedit kbounce kvoctrain jackeq libgtkmm1.2-0c2a > > libsoprano4 kdetoys kimagemapeditor atlantik jdelay tidy > > libtidy-0.99-0 kwordquiz kview ktron ttf-sjfonts kdelibs5-data cvs > > kdenetwork libtiff-tools kttsd libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-1c2a > > kdeartwork-emoticons dcoprss ksysv mixxx kwin4 kdewallpapers > > libksieve0 kuser klettres-data kreversi kdf libcaptury0 qsampler > > kspaceduel libgle3 kig vkeybd juk noatun klines jack-rack > > fifteenapplet libmxml1 kdemultimedia mixxx-data kfaxview kstars-data > > libsigc++-1.2-5c2 qsynth edict lskat libarts1-mpeglib > > kaddressbook-plugins kgamma kviewshell kfilereplace libqt4-sql > > kommander timemachine kdeutils lilypond kdegraphics kaboodle > > libphonon4 khangman jack-tools fluidsynth aconnectgui libindex0 > > kanjidic kdeartwork-theme-window xscreensaver-gl-extra beast > > ksmiletris tk707 libarts1-audiofile kxsldbg quanta kbattleship > > kiconedit kdeadmin kpilot libsigc++0c2 kasteroids seq24 kfouleggs > > libkdeedu3 rosegarden-data libcapseo0 libkgantt0 knewsticker ksnake > > patchage kiten eyesapplet swami kdat indi kdeedu kdelirc kpercentage > > superkaramba kjots kfax ksirtet xserver-xorg-input-synaptics kmines > > kdvi kget meterbridge kdebase-runtime-data kgpg jackbeat > > alsa-tools-gui konquest kate-plugins kolourpaint kdepimlibs-data > > kdeaddons-kfile-plugins xscreensaver-data-extra libarts1-xine > > ktuberling kturtle kaudiocreator ktimer liblscp quanta-data kmid > > texinfo kteatime kverbos jamin kodo > > Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. > Now, this is a long list, and it tells me this EVERY time I use APT for > anything. I know a few of these are things that were left over after I > purged KDE 4.0.0 from my system, and I'm sure a lot of what's on this > list could be removed without me even noticing the difference, but > "alsa-tools-gui"? Don't I need that to, like, change volume when I'm > not in KDE? And I certainly don't want to get rid of > "xscreensaver-gl-extra" and lose my beautiful bouncing cow. Plus, I've > always wanted to start up SuperKaramba and see if I actually need it for > anything. > > So my question is ... is there a way to make it stop telling me to > remove packages? And if I really do need to remove packages, can I pull > up a list to autoremove, but pick which ones I want to keep? > > Alternatively, maybe there is something I installed (an optional add-on > to APT?) that's meant to remove unused packages to maximize my hard > drive space. I don't think I want to remove such a function ... simply > to make it shut up and have it only offer polite suggestions when I > decide to see them. > > Thanks in advance. > > > ~~~ dave ~~~ > > -- > Have you mooed today? Make sure you have the kubuntu-desktop package installed. Sometimes apt will ask you to remove them all if you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed. -- http://sonoftheclayr.info/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 06:35:53 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:35:53 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> You could also try: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and see what it does. Then there is: sudo aptitude full-upgrade One should not mix apt-get and aptitude, but perhaps it will shock your system into order. Try the kubuntu-desktop trick mentioned by Luke first. \d From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Jan 26 06:50:42 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:50:42 -0600 Subject: KDE4 panels In-Reply-To: <479A61A0.6000405@gmail.com> References: <479A4699.8050602@gmail.com> <200801251523.15139.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <479A61A0.6000405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801260050.45207.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Friday 25 January 2008, Marce wrote: [...] | Do you know if installing KDE4 by following the instructions in | kubuntu.org | (http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php) it will be upgraded | automatically? [...] Yes it will be updated as soon as we push the packages to the PPA archive. Of course we will do the Hardy ones first followed by back porting those to the Gutsy PPA, which is usually within a day or two tops. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dave at thedavefactor.com Sat Jan 26 06:53:01 2008 From: dave at thedavefactor.com (Dave Vincenty) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:53:01 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> Donn wrote: > You could also try: > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > and see what it does. > > ... > Try the kubuntu-desktop trick mentioned by Luke first. Okay, I installed kubuntu-desktop again, which made me remember that I probably decided to get rid of it some time ago when I removed some packages it depended on, like KDM (because I downloaded some really nifty GDM login screens before I switched back to KDE) and KMail (because I've been doing all my mail-related stuff with Mozilla Thunderbird for years), and I only remember this because those packages are back on my system now, but the important thing is apt-get isn't telling me to remove things anymore. Then, I went with Donn's suggestion. Here's what aptitude wanted to do: > The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: [Same list as before] > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 246 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 511MB will be freed. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] I don't really think I want to continue if it's going to get rid of so much stuff. I guess I could just ignore it, but why does it want to remove all those packages? Is there a way to change what APT thinks ought to be removed? ~~ dave ~~ From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Jan 26 07:02:01 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:02:01 +0100 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <479ADAE9.7060007@free.fr> They are dependencies they don' works with new stuff that's why i have done a fresh install to hardy even if you accept to remove they are some drawbacks (specially with openoffice) aptitude full-upgrade should do the job adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel will update to gusty (with bits it's better doing so... ) Dave Vincenty wrote: > Donn wrote: > >> You could also try: >> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade >> and see what it does. >> >> ... >> Try the kubuntu-desktop trick mentioned by Luke first. >> > Okay, I installed kubuntu-desktop again, which made me remember that I > probably decided to get rid of it some time ago when I removed some > packages it depended on, like KDM (because I downloaded some really > nifty GDM login screens before I switched back to KDE) and KMail > (because I've been doing all my mail-related stuff with Mozilla > Thunderbird for years), and I only remember this because those packages > are back on my system now, but the important thing is apt-get isn't > telling me to remove things anymore. > > Then, I went with Donn's suggestion. Here's what aptitude wanted to do: > >> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: >> > [Same list as before] > >> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 246 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 511MB will be freed. >> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] >> > > I don't really think I want to continue if it's going to get rid of so > much stuff. > > I guess I could just ignore it, but why does it want to remove all those > packages? > > Is there a way to change what APT thinks ought to be removed? > > > ~~ dave ~~ > > > > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 07:14:24 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:14:24 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <200801260914.24361.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Is there a way to change what APT thinks ought to be removed? I wish I could be of more help, but the package system is like voodoo to me :) Perhaps you'll get better help later. \d -- Don't look now, but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you. -- Groucho Marx Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 08:36:15 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:36:15 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Friday 25 January 2008 23:45, Bas Roufs wrote: > Is there any major difference between the GB and US keyboard apart > from the Pound and Dollar signs? Depends how you define "major". The basic qwertyuiop is, so far as I have seen up to now, the same, but other characters are different; and that is a real pain. I can't use the command line with a US keyboard because, although I now know where to find " and @, I haven't got a clue where | (pipe, not the 9th letter of the alphabet) or ' or` are. It doesn't help, of course, that my physical keyboard is GB (or rather, English, since as pointed out it doesn't cover Welsh or either form of Gaelic). :-( Lisi From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Jan 26 09:09:54 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:09:54 +0100 Subject: Accented characters References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <47992EF4.3090605@gmail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <87fxwlosv1.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Bas Roufs" writes: > Is there any major difference between the GB and US keyboard apart > from the Pound and Dollar signs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 10:09:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:09:51 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> On 25/01/2008, Knapp wrote: > I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does > the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not > work. > How can I do this? Sure I can do it from the command like but my > daughter can't. I click would be good. > DEK > Put the command in ~/bin/arbitraryName and chmod it +x (be sure that ~/bin is in your path). Then make a link to it in Kmenu. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Sat Jan 26 10:32:43 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:32:43 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200801261032.49286.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Goedemorgen Bas, On Friday 25 January 2008 23:45:22 Bas Roufs wrote: > Is there any major difference between the GB and US keyboard apart > from the Pound and Dollar signs? On the GB keyboard the double-quote is Shift-2, and pound sign £ Shift-3, with the @ and # characters given their own keys amongst the punctuation. The position of the Euro € sign tends to vary I think but I have it as AltGr-2. (Although as a one-time City backroom bod I tend to use GBP, EUR, USD etc. As I do Perl work I use the $ heavily for non-currency stuff.) There are other differences in the layout of punctuation keys. Rosie -- Currently Reading ATKINSON, KATE: One Good Turn The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 10:49:17 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:49:17 +0200 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A2C6B.4060106@yahoo.it> <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B102D.6060100@gmail.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano said the following at 01/25/2008 11:37 AM : >> D. R. Evans wrote: > >>> I did a search in Synaptic for "sms" and it seems like there are several >>> possible clients one can use to send SMS messages from Kubuntu (in >>> particular, from within Kontact). Which package do people here recommend? >>> >>> If it makes a difference, I am in the US. > >> KMobileTools works nicely for my Sony Ericsson (go and download the >> latest version from its site, however, the one in the repositories right >> now does not update the list of sms on the phone). >> > > The blurb for KMobileTools says: > > ---- > > KDE application for controlling your mobile phone > KMobileTools is a nice KDE application that allows you to control your > mobile phone from your GNU/Linux PC. > It's based on a Motorola C350 and C650, but it's also compatible with > other mobile phones like Nokia, Ericsson and Siemens. > > ---- > > Which doesn't sound at all like what I am looking for. I don't want to > control anything; I just want to be able send an SMS from the computer to > people's phones. It doesn't seem right that it should matter what kind of > phone they have, since SMS is SMS, regardless of the phone. > > In Kontact configuration there is a section called "Script Hooks" that has > an entry labelled "SMS text" (which is currently blank, but presumably will > need something in it once an SMS client is installed on the system). > Unfortunately, the Kontact so-called help is considerably less than helpful > in regard to all this :-( > > Doc > > PS I installed kmobiletools anyway, in case I was misunderstanding its > description, but it definitely isn't what I was looking for. It seems to > want to talk to my phone somehow (bluetooth, usb or serial) which makes no > sense if all I want to do is to send an SMS to (say) my wife's phone. So > I've uninstalled it. > > I suggest you go to www.kde-apps.org and search for "sms" and see what comes up. Or you find a web-based provider for sending free sms which is what I have a feeling is what you are looking for. Otherwise most tools you will find will be based on the concept of using your phone to send sms that you type on the computer. Sinclair From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sat Jan 26 11:09:15 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:09:15 +0000 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479B102D.6060100@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> <479B102D.6060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 26 Jan 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: > > Ignazio Palmisano said the following at 01/25/2008 11:37 AM : > >> D. R. Evans wrote: > > > I suggest you go to > www.kde-apps.org and search for "sms" and see what comes up. Or you find > a web-based provider for sending free sms which is what I have a feeling > is what you are looking for. Otherwise most tools you will find will be > based on the concept of using your phone to send sms that you type on > the computer. > > Sinclair > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > There are some services around that act as email->sms gateways such as:- http://www.sms-service.co.uk/email-to-sms.html Generally, I think you have to purchase credit before you can use the service. I have filled in the customer service feedback form at Virgin Mobile to ask if they could provide this service, as an addition to their current services, operating like an authenticated SMTP server. It could be set up to take the normal user account name and password for logging into the web site for authentication, charging the SMS messages to the customer's existing account. Virgin Mobile responded, saying yes they think it's a good idea. If more people ask their mobile providers for the service, it might help to get it provided. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Sat Jan 26 11:28:05 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:28:05 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <4799C329.7030309@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <4799C329.7030309@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801261128.10659.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> On Friday 25 January 2008 11:08:25 Wulfy wrote: > On my default gb keyboard map, «ç» ( :@þ ) is = c ... I'm still rather concerned that on my gb default keyboard map, AltGr-c gives me ¢ and not ç What is the difference between your default layout and mine? 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URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 26 11:52:09 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:52:09 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261128.10659.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <4799C329.7030309@tiscali.co.uk> <200801261128.10659.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <479B1EE9.3020106@tiscali.co.uk> Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > On Friday 25 January 2008 11:08:25 Wulfy wrote: > >> On my default gb keyboard map, «ç» ( :@þ ) is = c ... >> > > I'm still rather concerned that on my gb default keyboard map, AltGr-c gives > me ¢ and not ç > > What is the difference between your default layout and mine? > > Rosie > > > If you go to the keyboard layout section of (KControl/Regional&Accessibility) or (System Settings/Regional & Language) and select the "gb" layout on th right you'll see the setxbmap command-line options. Mine says: setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout gb There are also variants "basic", "intl", "dvorac" abd "mac" which would appear after a "-variant" option. I think that's the easiest to compare what we have. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 26 12:01:12 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:01:12 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801251011.09219.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B2108.6050302@tiscali.co.uk> Lisi Reisz wrote: > It doesn't help, of course, that > my physical keyboard is GB (or rather, English, since as pointed out it > doesn't cover Welsh or either form of Gaelic). :-( > > Lisi > > Which Gaelic and Welsh charactrs can't be formed? I've just found some more on my layout by "messing around"... dots above and below certain letters... I would assume you'd need to have a urf-8 locale and suitable fonts to see them all... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Sat Jan 26 12:09:34 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:09:34 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <479B1EE9.3020106@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261128.10659.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <479B1EE9.3020106@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801261209.49638.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> On Saturday 26 January 2008 11:52:09 Wulfy wrote: > Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > > On Friday 25 January 2008 11:08:25 Wulfy wrote: > >> On my default gb keyboard map, «ç» ( :@þ ) is = c ... > > > > I'm still rather concerned that on my gb default keyboard map, AltGr-c > > gives me ¢ and not ç > > > > What is the difference between your default layout and mine? > > > > Rosie > > If you go to the keyboard layout section of > (KControl/Regional&Accessibility) or (System Settings/Regional & > Language) and select the "gb" layout on th right you'll see the setxbmap > command-line options. Mine says: > > setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout gb > > There are also variants "basic", "intl", "dvorac" abd "mac" which would > appear after a "-variant" option. I think that's the easiest to compare > what we have. mine says setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout gb and I have the same variants. I wonder what your extra key is? (A quick count suggests that I have 108 keys...) Rosie -- Currently Reading ATKINSON, KATE: One Good Turn The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 12:27:26 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:27:26 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: <200801251943.01406.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801251943.01406.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: On Jan 26, 2008 1:43 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 25 January 2008, Knapp wrote: > > > I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does > > the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not > > work. > > What does "setcd -x 1" do? I have no idea, and so I don't know which way to > be thinking for reasons why it isn't working as a menu clickable thing. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/setcd.htm It sets the cd speed to 1x not 52x and thus you can watch your dvd without hearing the player. For me it is one of the best rare line commands I know. Douglas E Knapp From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 12:38:41 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:38:41 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 26, 2008 11:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 25/01/2008, Knapp wrote: > > I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does > > the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not > > work. > > How can I do this? Sure I can do it from the command like but my > > daughter can't. I click would be good. > > DEK > > > > Put the command in ~/bin/arbitraryName and chmod it +x (be sure that > ~/bin is in your path). Then make a link to it in Kmenu. > > Dotan Cohen I tried that and still no go. I don't have a bin dir in home. Did you mean the normal one? It does work from the command line however. douglas at frog:~$ ~/slowcd.txt /dev/cdrom: Speed set at 150 KB/s (1x) douglas at frog:~$ Douglas E Knapp From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 26 13:01:42 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:01:42 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261209.49638.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261128.10659.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <479B1EE9.3020106@tiscali.co.uk> <200801261209.49638.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <479B2F36.6080304@tiscali.co.uk> Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > On Saturday 26 January 2008 11:52:09 Wulfy wrote: > >> If you go to the keyboard layout section of >> (KControl/Regional&Accessibility) or (System Settings/Regional & >> Language) and select the "gb" layout on th right you'll see the setxbmap >> command-line options. Mine says: >> >> setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout gb >> >> There are also variants "basic", "intl", "dvorac" abd "mac" which would >> appear after a "-variant" option. I think that's the easiest to compare >> what we have. >> > > mine says > > setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout gb > > and I have the same variants. > > I wonder what your extra key is? (A quick count suggests that I have 108 > keys...) > > Rosie > > Hmmm A quick count gives 106 keys on my keyboard... <:@) I honestly don't know what "extra" key(s) I have... if I have any at all. I found the accents and other characters almost by chance. Here's what I found: gives other letters or symbols followed by gives accents There are two layers - one with just the key and one with For example: "p" gives "þ" which is the "thorn" character used in Modern Icelandic, Old Norse and Old English. "z" gives "«" and "x" gives "»", the French quote marks. The other letters produce more things... All the following are the "dead keys" that are used to give accents to the next character pressed: ";" gives acute accents "'" gives circumflex accents "#" gives grave accents "[" gives umlauts "]" gives tildes (like ñ in niño) "=" gives cedillas "/" gives a dot below. ":" gives double acute (on "o" and "u") "@" gives caret (like an inverted circumflex) used in Polish(?) "~" gives a sort of "cup" sign over a "{" gives the circle over the a used in Scandinavian languages. "}" gives macrons. "+" gives something that looks like a cedilla but backwards... (can you tell I don't speak any languages but English? :@) ) "?" gives a dot above. ing that character gives the capitals, as usual... HTH -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 13:11:22 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:11:22 +0200 Subject: Strigi results Message-ID: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> Honestly, does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? I have x number of documents etc and I have had Strigi run its indexing and so on. On search for eg "scc" I get loads of hltm, vcf and so on files. But no documents and I can tell you I have loads of documents with scc in the title not to mention in the text. Search for "Bowie" and expect music files etc and get, again, old hmtl pages I have stored. Seems rather meaningless to use at the moment or I am doing something fundamentally wrong. Sinclair From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Sat Jan 26 12:14:58 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:14:58 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <479B2108.6050302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <479B2108.6050302@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801261215.03726.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> On Saturday 26 January 2008 12:01:12 Wulfy wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > It doesn't help, of course, that > > my physical keyboard is GB (or rather, English, since as pointed out it > > doesn't cover Welsh or either form of Gaelic). :-( > > > > Lisi > > Which Gaelic and Welsh charactrs can't be formed? They can all be formed by the methods described, but I think the point Lisi and I would make is that those characters are not directly accessible, as accented characters are on, say, a Swiss keyboard. (aside: w is a vowel in Welsh, which should be some consolation to those driven to cry into their cwrw!) Rosie -- Currently Reading ATKINSON, KATE: One Good Turn The Book of Enitharmon: http://swanofkennet.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 14:12:00 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:12:00 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261612.00969.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday, 26 January 2008 14:38:41 Knapp wrote: > douglas at frog:~$ ~/slowcd.txt That's not a command, well not the one you mentioned. I also don't have a setcd binary on Kubuntu 7.10 \d -- He had delusions of adequacy. -- Walter Kerr Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 26 14:55:51 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:55:51 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261215.03726.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <479B2108.6050302@tiscali.co.uk> <200801261215.03726.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > On Saturday 26 January 2008 12:01:12 Wulfy wrote: > >> Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >>> It doesn't help, of course, that >>> my physical keyboard is GB (or rather, English, since as pointed out it >>> doesn't cover Welsh or either form of Gaelic). :-( >>> >>> Lisi >>> >> Which Gaelic and Welsh charactrs can't be formed? >> > > They can all be formed by the methods described, but I think the point Lisi > and I would make is that those characters are not directly accessible, as > accented characters are on, say, a Swiss keyboard. (aside: w is a vowel in > Welsh, which should be some consolation to those driven to cry into their > cwrw!) > > Rosie > The problem is, of course, if you tried to have all the possible characters on the keyboard, there'd be several acres to type on. As far as I can tell, all possible Latin characters are available either directly or with the combinations. I don't think we can ask for more if you want to type in more then one language... unless the other language uses non-Latin characters... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 14:57:15 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:57:15 -0400 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu References: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1946660.2O0vU6ZOTx@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Jan 26, 2008 11:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> Put the command in ~/bin/arbitraryName and chmod it +x (be sure that >> ~/bin is in your path). Then make a link to it in Kmenu. >> > I tried that and still no go. I don't have a bin dir in home. Did you > mean the normal one? No. What's wrong with _creating_ one? iirc, the default bash setup for users adds ~/bin to your path _if_ you have one. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 15:08:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <1566459.lqGC90o3xr@cedar.serverforest.com> Dave Vincenty wrote: > Donn wrote: >> ... >> Try the kubuntu-desktop trick mentioned by Luke first. > Okay, I installed kubuntu-desktop again, ... > the important thing is apt-get isn't > telling me to remove things anymore. OK, so it worked - and then... > Then, I went with Donn's suggestion. Here's what aptitude wanted to do: >> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: > [Same list as before] Why would you do that after Donn warned you that it wasn't really safe to mix apt-get and aptitude? > I don't really think I want to continue if it's going to get rid of so > much stuff. > > I guess I could just ignore it, but why does it want to remove all those > packages? Because they're marked as Autoinstalled. > Is there a way to change what APT thinks ought to be removed? I'm leery of telling you what you need to do to stop aptitude wanting to remove them, because history indicates you'd try it :-) "apt" doesn't think anything needs to be removed. You have now got it back into a consistent state. aptitude has it's own tools for figuring out (better) what needs to be kept, but that relies on having installed with aptitude in the first place. That said, passing that entire list to "aptitude unmarkauto" would fix aptitude. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 15:23:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:23:20 -0400 Subject: Something About File Managers References: <200801251050.19896.lacsilva@gmail.com> <479ABCF4.5000401@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <1325562.j2TuWQXiMD@cedar.serverforest.com> Dave Vincenty wrote: > nepal wrote: >> there has been some FUD about Konqueror ... Read this; >> http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ > > Thanks to everybody who responded to my question, especially with those > links. The article from KDE News answered all the questions I hadn't > thought to ask yet about Konqueror and Dolphin, and I guess I'll be okay > FTPing with Dolphin or maybe Krusader if I need to. See, I don't quite agree with that article - or therefore that everything said about Konqueror losing functionality is wrong (though it's certainly Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt: FUD usually bears connotations of intentionally spreading such, while knowing it to be false). He says: "the "Up" arrow is still available on the toolbar even when browsing Google Maps, but it is totally irrelevant in this context; another is having a web bookmarks toolbar visible while sorting icons in your /home folder". There's a distinct implication there that they want to eliminate that sort of behaviour - and I _like_ that behaviour. Perhaps it's true that an Up arrow on Google Maps is useless. But there are _many_ web sites where it's not. I'm currently doing a lot of Plone development, and the Up arrow always takes me to a valid page on my Plone sites. Similarly, since I want konqueror to be my primary file browser, and always have an FS view in at least one tab, I always want bookmarks available no matter which tab I'm viewing. And I hate "breadcrumb" file selectors - that's the thing I've always hated about the gtk file dialog, but I find it interesting that the first comment says the '"breadcrumbs" mode would not be a good fit for Konqueror as the mode is not useful for webbrowsing'. How odd, then, that so many web frameworks (including the above mentioned Plone) use breadcrumbs. In short, it hasn't removed any of _my_ Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt. -- derek From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 15:34:04 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:04 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261215.03726.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801261534.04382.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008 14:55, Wulfy wrote: > > They can all be formed by the methods described, but I think the point > > Lisi and I would make is that those characters are not directly > > accessible, as accented characters are on, say, a Swiss keyboard. > >  (aside: w is a vowel in Welsh, which should be some consolation to those > > driven to cry into their cwrw!) I think you are still missing the point - anyhow the point that I was making. (Which was intended as a passing acknowledgement of what Rosie had said. But has grown. :-( ) My keyboard, being "GB" doesn't have the keys for French accented letters. The French one does. The accents are accessible, but are not on the keyboard. The letters *on* this keyboard are all for the English language, and those for the other languages used in these islands are not, except in so far as they coincide - anyhow in form - with the English ones. It is therefore a misnomer to call it a "GB" or"UK" keyboard. I am objecting semantically. It is not a GB keyboard, it is an English one. (GB English, if you will - but still English.) Lisi From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 15:40:04 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:40:04 -0700 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> <479B102D.6060100@gmail.com> <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> I am now hopelessly confused, Something that seems like it should be trivial (finding the right magic command line to enter into the "SMS Text" configuration of the Kontact configuration dialogue) seems to be impossible to discover. I guess I'll just wait until someone finally gets around to documenting this part of Kontact. Doc From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Jan 26 15:41:36 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:41:36 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <479B54B0.9070109@rmk.co.il> Dave Vincenty wrote: > Here's something I've wanted to ask for a while. > > Okay, I've been getting a message when I run "apt-get": >> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer >> required: >> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. > Now, this is a long list, and it tells me this EVERY time I use APT for > anything. I know a few of these are things that were left over after I > purged KDE 4.0.0 from my system, and I'm sure a lot of what's on this > list could be removed without me even noticing the difference, but > "alsa-tools-gui"? Don't I need that to, like, change volume when I'm > not in KDE? And I certainly don't want to get rid of > "xscreensaver-gl-extra" and lose my beautiful bouncing cow. Plus, I've > always wanted to start up SuperKaramba and see if I actually need it for > anything. > > So my question is ... is there a way to make it stop telling me to > remove packages? And if I really do need to remove packages, can I pull > up a list to autoremove, but pick which ones I want to keep? > > Alternatively, maybe there is something I installed (an optional add-on > to APT?) that's meant to remove unused packages to maximize my hard > drive space. I don't think I want to remove such a function ... simply > to make it shut up and have it only offer polite suggestions when I > decide to see them. > > Thanks in advance. > > > ~~~ dave ~~~ > > -- > Have you mooed today? > I'm coming in late to this thread but for interest sake I just did an 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get install neverball' and I got: nigel at nigels:~$ sudo apt-get install neverball Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libwmf0.2-7 libgsf-1-common libcroco3 gimp librsvg2-2 gimp-data libgsf-1-114 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: neverdata The following NEW packages will be installed: neverball neverdata 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 14.6MB of archives. After unpacking 32.2MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Why would apt want to remove the gimp? I use it all the time! And what about the other packages - I probably need them too - and if not how do I know? How can I trust apt if it is wanting to remove the gimp that I do need?! Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 16:27:53 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:27:53 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261534.04382.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> <200801261534.04382.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261627.53562.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008 15:34, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I think you are still missing the point Sorry, Rosie - I cut wrongly :-( It was Wolfy that I thought was missing the point I was making. Mea culpa (sorry, can't manage Welsh) Lisi From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Jan 26 16:39:42 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:39:42 +0100 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479B54B0.9070109@rmk.co.il> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <479B54B0.9070109@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <479B624E.60406@free.fr> May be another version of gimp can be updated? use aptitude and see if it wants to remove these files ? you can always reinstall gimp after ? Nigel Ridley wrote: > Dave Vincenty wrote: > >> Here's something I've wanted to ask for a while. >> >> Okay, I've been getting a message when I run "apt-get": >> >>> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer >>> required: >>> > > >>> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. >>> >> Now, this is a long list, and it tells me this EVERY time I use APT for >> anything. I know a few of these are things that were left over after I >> purged KDE 4.0.0 from my system, and I'm sure a lot of what's on this >> list could be removed without me even noticing the difference, but >> "alsa-tools-gui"? Don't I need that to, like, change volume when I'm >> not in KDE? And I certainly don't want to get rid of >> "xscreensaver-gl-extra" and lose my beautiful bouncing cow. Plus, I've >> always wanted to start up SuperKaramba and see if I actually need it for >> anything. >> >> So my question is ... is there a way to make it stop telling me to >> remove packages? And if I really do need to remove packages, can I pull >> up a list to autoremove, but pick which ones I want to keep? >> >> Alternatively, maybe there is something I installed (an optional add-on >> to APT?) that's meant to remove unused packages to maximize my hard >> drive space. I don't think I want to remove such a function ... simply >> to make it shut up and have it only offer polite suggestions when I >> decide to see them. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> ~~~ dave ~~~ >> >> -- >> Have you mooed today? >> >> > I'm coming in late to this thread but for interest sake I just did an > 'sudo apt-get update' > 'sudo apt-get install neverball' > and I got: > > nigel at nigels:~$ sudo apt-get install neverball > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer > required: > libwmf0.2-7 libgsf-1-common libcroco3 gimp librsvg2-2 gimp-data > libgsf-1-114 > Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. > The following extra packages will be installed: > neverdata > The following NEW packages will be installed: > neverball neverdata > 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 14.6MB of archives. > After unpacking 32.2MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > > Why would apt want to remove the gimp? I use it all the time! And what > about the other packages - I probably need them too - and if not how do > I know? How can I trust apt if it is wanting to remove the gimp that I > do need?! > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 26 16:51:50 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:51:50 +0000 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261534.04382.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261215.03726.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> <200801261534.04382.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B6526.8010304@tiscali.co.uk> Lisi Reisz wrote: > My keyboard, being "GB" doesn't have the keys for French > accented letters. The French one does. Not all the French accents are on accessible keys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#French and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet French has circumflex accents on I, E, A, O and U... not on keyboard... nor the ones termed "tréma"... One must assume they use some sort of combination of keys to produce those. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 16:57:07 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:57:07 -0500 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261157.07594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: > real pain. I can't use the command line with a US keyboard because, > although I now know where to find " and @, I haven't got a clue where | > (pipe, not the 9th letter of the alphabet) or ' or` are. I share that pain, turned slightly differently. I can't use the command line or program very well with the Spanish layout, because all the things like <> [] {} / \ are in totally bizarre and contorted places. There *is* a quick switch option you can turn on somehow or other. I misremember the details. I had it working, but it isn't working now. I think I held both shift keys briefly to switch, or something like that. I did a quick bit of digging, and whatever I used to have set up isn't remotely obvious. Sorry, I'm not much use then, other than pointing out something I know is possible somehow or other. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 17:06:27 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:06:27 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Dave Vincenty wrote: > Here's something I've wanted to ask for a while. > > Okay, I've been getting a message when I run "apt-get": The others are probably right about the origin of this kind of thing. I just saw the same phenomenon myself when I had to temporarily uninstall the "ubuntustudio-audio" metapackage. Here's what I do to deal with this phenomenon. First, find something you know you don't really want to get rid of. With this list, I'd pick "kde" first. Then install the "kde" metapackage explicitly. That will install a lot of this back, or if it's still installed, you'll see some message to the effect of "changing status from automatically installed to manually installed" for each package whose status changes. (Wording is probably wrong, but the spirit is right.) After you hit the big one that cuts the list down to something more manageable, look at the list again, and keep adding things back in as they occur to you. After you snag everything you know you don't want to get rid of, odds are you will also pull tons of weird looking nonsense back in along with these known packages. After all of that is said and done, maybe you really will be left with a few package you no longer need, and then you can safely autoremove those. In the worst case, if you realize a couple months from now that you really did need libdingleblatz9-dev, you can always reinstall it. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 17:22:01 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:22:01 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801261922.01411.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > lib*dingle*blatz9-dev I'm famous :D \d -- If I hadn't believed it with my own mind, I would never have seen it. -- Sackett http://forums.randi.org Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From turgon at mike-leone.com Sat Jan 26 17:27:18 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:27:18 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/26/08, Donn wrote: > You could also try: > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > and see what it does. > > Then there is: > sudo aptitude full-upgrade > > One should not mix apt-get and aptitude, Why Not? Not saying I don't believe you, just that I don't understand why it would be bad. Doesn't aptitude just extend the apt-get, by following the "Recommends" tags as well? From turgon at mike-leone.com Sat Jan 26 17:43:19 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Mike Leone) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:43:19 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <1566459.lqGC90o3xr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> <1566459.lqGC90o3xr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <479B7137.3010708@mike-leone.com> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> I guess I could just ignore it, but why does it want to remove all those >> packages? > > Because they're marked as Autoinstalled. Can you expand ?. So they're marked as "AutoInstalled"; that doesn't explain (to me) why that means that now they can be deleted. > the first place. That said, passing that entire list to "aptitude > unmarkauto" would fix aptitude. Had no idea that aptitude had an "unmarkauto" option ... From turgon at mike-leone.com Sat Jan 26 17:51:04 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:51:04 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: <1946660.2O0vU6ZOTx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> <1946660.2O0vU6ZOTx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 1/26/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > > On Jan 26, 2008 11:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> > >> Put the command in ~/bin/arbitraryName and chmod it +x (be sure that > >> ~/bin is in your path). Then make a link to it in Kmenu. > >> > > I tried that and still no go. I don't have a bin dir in home. Did you > > mean the normal one? > > No. What's wrong with _creating_ one? iirc, the default bash setup for > users adds ~/bin to your path _if_ you have one. I don't think the OP knows that. *I* didn't know that, until you mentioned it. > > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Jan 26 17:57:36 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:57:36 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 26 January 2008, Dave Vincenty wrote: > >> Here's something I've wanted to ask for a while. >> >> Okay, I've been getting a message when I run "apt-get": > > The others are probably right about the origin of this kind of thing. I just > saw the same phenomenon myself when I had to temporarily uninstall > the "ubuntustudio-audio" metapackage. > > Here's what I do to deal with this phenomenon. First, find something you know > you don't really want to get rid of. With this list, I'd pick "kde" first. > Then install the "kde" metapackage explicitly. That will install a lot of > this back, or if it's still installed, you'll see some message to the effect > of "changing status from automatically installed to manually installed" for > each package whose status changes. (Wording is probably wrong, but the > spirit is right.) > > After you hit the big one that cuts the list down to something more > manageable, look at the list again, and keep adding things back in as they > occur to you. > > After you snag everything you know you don't want to get rid of, odds are you > will also pull tons of weird looking nonsense back in along with these known > packages. After all of that is said and done, maybe you really will be left > with a few package you no longer need, and then you can safely autoremove > those. > > In the worst case, if you realize a couple months from now that you really did > need libdingleblatz9-dev, you can always reinstall it. Here's something: You gave me a thought and did: 'sudo apt-get install gimp' (gimp was one of the packages that apt wanted me to autoremove) - here is the output and my next command (solution?): nigel at nigels:~$ sudo apt-get install gimp Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done gimp is already the newest version. gimp set to manual installed. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libgsf-1-common libcroco3 librsvg2-2 libgsf-1-114 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. nigel at nigels:~$ sudo apt-get install libgsf-1-common libcroco3 librsvg2-2 libgsf-1-114 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libgsf-1-common is already the newest version. libgsf-1-common set to manual installed. libcroco3 is already the newest version. libcroco3 set to manual installed. librsvg2-2 is already the newest version. librsvg2-2 set to manual installed. libgsf-1-114 is already the newest version. libgsf-1-114 set to manual installed. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. nigel at nigels:~$ sudo apt-get install neverball Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done neverball is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. nigel at nigels:~$ So it would seem that all one needs to do is manually install the packages that apt wants you to autoremove (without needing to uninstall/remove them first) - you can highlight the entire list in the consol window, type 'sudo apt-get install ' (with the added space) and then middle mouse button to paste the entire list, then hit enter. Apt will then tell you that they are all the lasted versions and after that leave you alone!! Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:00:22 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:00:22 -0700 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261157.07594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801260836.15127.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200801261157.07594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <479B7536.8070806@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre said the following at 01/26/2008 09:57 AM : > There *is* a quick switch option you can turn on somehow or other. I > misremember the details. I had it working, but it isn't working now. I > think I held both shift keys briefly to switch, or something like that. > KDE Keyboard Tool | Configure | Xkb Options or System Settings | Regional & Language | Xkb Options (both get you to the same configuration screen). I think you have to log out and back in in order for changes to take effect. Doc From dave at thedavefactor.com Sat Jan 26 18:02:13 2008 From: dave at thedavefactor.com (Dave Vincenty) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:02:13 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479B7137.3010708@mike-leone.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> <1566459.lqGC90o3xr@cedar.serverforest.com> <479B7137.3010708@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <479B75A5.8090804@thedavefactor.com> Mike Leone wrote: > Can you expand ?. So they're marked as "AutoInstalled"; that doesn't > explain (to me) why that means that now they can be deleted. I think the idea is that, if you didn't ask for a package, and that package isn't being used for anything, as far as the system can tell, then it's just taking up space on your drive, and so it has a "feature" of removing it for you. Now, let's see here... girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > They are dependencies > they don' works with new stuff Possibility #1: A lot of these packages really do need to be removed. That might be true, although... Derek Broughton wrote: > "apt" doesn't think anything needs to be removed. You have now got it back into a consistent state. aptitude has it's own tools for figuring out (better) what needs to be kept, but that relies on having installed with aptitude in the first place. That said, passing that entire list to "aptitude unmarkauto" would fix aptitude. It seems like all those packages depended on kubuntu-desktop, as the first response I got said, but aptitude is doing its own thing and, actually, the reason I don't use aptitude much anymore is because I once accidentally allowed it to autoremove 100 "unused" packages, some of which apparently, my X server couldn't start without, and then I went GUI-less for a while. So... I guess this is a non-issue. If I decide I could use some free hard drive space, I'll have to figure out for myself what to remove. Thanks for your help again, everybody! ~~~ dave ~~~ -- From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jan 26 18:20:47 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:20:47 -0600 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B79FF.5040702@swbell.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > Honestly, > does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? > > I have x number of documents etc and I have had Strigi run its indexing > and so on. On search for eg "scc" I get loads of hltm, vcf and so on > files. But no documents and I can tell you I have loads of documents > with scc in the title not to mention in the text. > > Search for "Bowie" and expect music files etc and get, again, old hmtl > pages I have stored. > > Seems rather meaningless to use at the moment or I am doing something > fundamentally wrong. > > Sinclair > > My experience with strigi is .........well............. mixed to say the best. Sometimes it actually finds something and others it just sort of sits there looking stupid. I did something yesterday that was "lost" so I decided to try strigi after your post. It sort of found what I wanted, in a left hand sort of way. It produced some "HTML" files that led me to what I wanted to know. I see that it runs in Konqueror as a "web" page. Maybe this is the way its supposed to work. From dave at thedavefactor.com Sat Jan 26 18:21:40 2008 From: dave at thedavefactor.com (Dave Vincenty) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:21:40 -0500 Subject: Something About File Managers In-Reply-To: <1325562.j2TuWQXiMD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200801251050.19896.lacsilva@gmail.com> <479ABCF4.5000401@thedavefactor.com> <1325562.j2TuWQXiMD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <479B7A34.8050508@thedavefactor.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dave Vincenty wrote: >> nepal wrote: >> >>> http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ > See, I don't quite agree with that article Here's what I got out of it. The KDE developers don't like looking at functions that make them think of file managers when browsing the Web, nor functions that make them think of Web browsers when managing their filesystem(s). It's a strange and unexplainable quirk, much like taking what a commercial developer might call an "alpha release" or a "release candidate" and declaring it the grand unveiling of KDE 4.0.0 (...which is NOT "KDE 4", and shame on you who expected things like "stability" or "usability" from a x.0.0 release! What, did you think this was OpenOffice or Mozilla or something?) Of course, the up arrow is useful. For instance, if you're looking at www.example.com/animals/kittens/takingacraponyourcarpet and you realize suddenly that you've gone too far down into the directory structure, the up arrow will take you straight to kittens/index.html, from which you can continue your browsing, or go up all the way to www.example.com/index.html. That's great. And I actually have bookmarks that don't point to the Web... like to /fakewin, a directory that I created in order to trick Wine into thinking I have a C: drive, or to ftp://thedavefactor.com, so I can handle my remote files. (Note: thedavefactor.com is currently a Drupal install with nothing of interest in it.) And... the "breadcrumb" system is just plain silly. If I can click on a button that represents a directory, I can delete and/or retype that part of the address bar. In fact, why not have buttons like this: [www.example.com] [animals] [kittens] ...and let the user click on the directory they want? Websites with browsable directories already have something like this, but with text links instead of buttons. So, basically, I don't feel much better about the fate of Konqueror, but I kind of almost see where KDE is coming from with this. As far as I can tell, they think Konqueror has slowly evolved from an excellent file manager with a web browsing feature to a mediocre web browser with a file managing feature. Although I don't know why this is, the Dolphin developers will be working on file managing and the Konqueror developers will be working on web browsing, and hopefully, when some time has passed, KDE will be better off in some form or another. I don't really know, though. ~~~ dave ~~~ --- What kind of a program name is "Dolphin" anyway? From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:32:49 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:32:49 +0200 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> <479B102D.6060100@gmail.com> <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B7CD1.5050503@gmail.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > I am now hopelessly confused, Something that seems like it should be > trivial (finding the right magic command line to enter into the "SMS Text" > configuration of the Kontact configuration dialogue) seems to be impossible > to discover. > > I guess I'll just wait until someone finally gets around to documenting > this part of Kontact. > I think you may be confusing things a bit. If you look at sending SMS from a computer you must somehow use a service to do so. This could either be an online thing internetbased (ICQ for example used to have such a service to several cell networks) or it could be a software that somehow will use your phone to send sms that you text on the computer and receive/store sms that you receive. There is no magic "built-in" capability of any computer or operating system to send/receive sms, at least not that I am aware of. Free sms sending normally requires some sort of hooking up to some internet service. Anyone feel free to correct me and you please excuse me if I misinterpret what you are aiming for. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:37:46 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:37:46 +0200 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B79FF.5040702@swbell.net> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> <479B79FF.5040702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <479B7DFA.5020003@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Honestly, >> does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? >> >> I have x number of documents etc and I have had Strigi run its indexing >> and so on. On search for eg "scc" I get loads of hltm, vcf and so on >> files. But no documents and I can tell you I have loads of documents >> with scc in the title not to mention in the text. >> >> Search for "Bowie" and expect music files etc and get, again, old hmtl >> pages I have stored. >> >> Seems rather meaningless to use at the moment or I am doing something >> fundamentally wrong. >> >> Sinclair >> >> > My experience with strigi is .........well............. mixed to say the > best. > > Sometimes it actually finds something and others it just sort of sits > there looking stupid. I did something yesterday that was "lost" so I > decided to try strigi after your post. It sort of found what I wanted, > in a left hand sort of way. It produced some "HTML" files that led me to > what I wanted to know. > > I see that it runs in Konqueror as a "web" page. Maybe this is the way > its supposed to work. > It tallies with my experience. I had to delete the index results like 3-4 times and redo the whole thing (it is VITAL not to interrupt Strigi b4 it has finished indexing) but the results are mainly confusing and, at least for me, consist of God knows how many html, vcf etc from inside Kmail but very, if any, few results from documents, music, movies, pictures in my home folder w subfolders. Sinclair From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jan 26 18:39:06 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:39:06 -0600 Subject: Something About File Managers In-Reply-To: <479B7A34.8050508@thedavefactor.com> References: <200801251050.19896.lacsilva@gmail.com> <479ABCF4.5000401@thedavefactor.com> <1325562.j2TuWQXiMD@cedar.serverforest.com> <479B7A34.8050508@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <479B7E4A.3090700@swbell.net> Dave Vincenty wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Dave Vincenty wrote: >> >>> nepal wrote: >>> >>> >>>> http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/ >>>> >> See, I don't quite agree with that article >> > Here's what I got out of it. > > The KDE developers don't like looking at functions that make them think > of file managers when browsing the Web, nor functions that make them > think of Web browsers when managing their filesystem(s). It's a strange > and unexplainable quirk, much like taking what a commercial developer > might call an "alpha release" or a "release candidate" and declaring it > the grand unveiling of KDE 4.0.0 (...which is NOT "KDE 4", and shame on > you who expected things like "stability" or "usability" from a x.0.0 > release! What, did you think this was OpenOffice or Mozilla or something?) > Now 'at dere's funny, I don't who y'are! Git-R-Done From michael at weblore.com Sat Jan 26 18:43:53 2008 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:43:53 -0600 Subject: video capture board Message-ID: <200801261243.54050.michael@weblore.com> I want to add a video board to my computer to allow me to transfer video from my camcorder to my computer for editing. For obvious reasons, I want a board supported under Linux. What boards would you recommend. Note: it needs to be currently available ... again for obvious reasons. Thanks in advance. ---Michael From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sat Jan 26 18:53:40 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:53:40 +0000 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261853.40769.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 26 Jan 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > I am now hopelessly confused, Something that seems like it should be > trivial (finding the right magic command line to enter into the "SMS Text" > configuration of the Kontact configuration dialogue) seems to be impossible > to discover. > It's not complicated at all. Once you've registered and set up a service, all you do is send email to something like @smsgateway.example.com then your email is transformed into SMS and sent to the mobile number, while you get charge for use of the service. BTW I've not used any of these, I'm just repeating what I've seen on a couple of instructions pages. But it looks simple enough to use if you need it. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 19:12:40 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:12:40 -0700 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <200801261853.40769.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> <200801261853.40769.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <479B8628.3040901@gmail.com> David Fletcher said the following at 01/26/2008 11:53 AM : > It's not complicated at all. Once you've registered and set up a service, all > you do is send email to something like > > @smsgateway.example.com > Yes, I do that all the time. But that's not what Kontact wants. Kontact wants to send an SMS to a phone number, presumably through the intermediary of a web or some other service so that it's associated with my phone number even though my phone isn't involved at all. The trouble is that Kontact is completely devoid of help in this area. Not even an example :-( (You can see what I mean by clicking on the "SMS" that appears in parentheses in Kontact after a mobile phone number; it's clearly not trying to send an e-mail, but wants to pass the phone number to a program that will perform the actual sending of the message.) Doc From john at wexfordpress.com Sat Jan 26 19:11:54 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:11:54 -0500 Subject: Kmail missing from KDE 4.0 Koffice In-Reply-To: <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> References: <200801231439.51548.john@wexfordpress.com> <1531243.PorCiIvmo0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801231326.07707.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200801261411.54643.john@wexfordpress.com> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 01:26:07 pm Chris Gow wrote: > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 11:21:23 Derek Broughton wrote: > > Practically any mailbox can be imported by kmail (the package has been > > separated out as kmailcvt), but this is the #1 reason why I'm not even > > trying KDE4. I keep installing the latest updates, and all of KDEPIM is > > still broken. > > Is there any reason why you do not run KDEPIM 3.5 in a KDE 4 session? That > works (at least for me). > > KDEPIM 4 won't be released until KDE 4.1 comes out which is sometime in > July > > -- chris How does one download the 3.5 version? On my bleeding edge system apt-get install kde downloads 4.0. Once I get it how do I activate kdepim in the 4.0 session? -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 19:13:56 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:13:56 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3dde113c0801261113o7f7e8de9se43ffaaa055e8db1@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 25, 2008 6:22 AM, Knapp wrote: > I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does > the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not > work. > How can I do this? Sure I can do it from the command like but my > daughter can't. I click would be good. > DEK > What exact command did you put in the menu item? It might be as simple as the need to specify /home/user/slowcd.txt instead of ~/slowcd.txt -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 19:20:00 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:20:00 -0700 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> O. Sinclair said the following at 01/26/2008 06:11 AM : > Honestly, > does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? > I can speak only for myself, but I can't imagine how Aaron Seigo (who gave the recent KDE4 Keynote speech) could possibly think that strigi is remotely useful in its current form. Drop it and use Kerry/beagle, that's my advice. Desktop search seems to be one of those blind spots where there have been several attempts to get it to work well on Linux, but none of them has come even close to what's available on Windows, and none of them has really worked as well as one would like. No doubt it will be licked at some point in the next couple of years (and it could well be strigi that emerges as the best application) but it seems to be taking surprisingly long to get it right. Doc From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 19:36:21 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:36:21 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801261436.21532.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > So it would seem that all one needs to do is manually install the > packages that apt wants you to autoremove (without needing to > uninstall/remove them first) Quite so. > - you can highlight the entire list in the > consol window, type 'sudo apt-get install ' (with the added space) and > then middle mouse button to paste the entire list, then hit enter. You can, sure. I operate with the idea that I want to set as little as possible to manual installed, because it helps with cruft problems later on during upgrades, but this isn't a big deal. -- D. Michael McIntyre From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 19:35:46 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:35:46 -0400 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu References: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> <1946660.2O0vU6ZOTx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1334714.OuO9ud39iH@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael Leone wrote: > On 1/26/08, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >> > On Jan 26, 2008 11:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >> >> Put the command in ~/bin/arbitraryName and chmod it +x (be sure that >> >> ~/bin is in your path). Then make a link to it in Kmenu. >> >> >> > I tried that and still no go. I don't have a bin dir in home. Did you >> > mean the normal one? >> >> No. What's wrong with _creating_ one? iirc, the default bash setup for >> users adds ~/bin to your path _if_ you have one. > > I don't think the OP knows that. *I* didn't know that, until you mentioned > it. I expect he didn't - but it seemed to me that "put it in ~/bin and be sure ~/bin is in your path" at least strongly implies "create and put ~/bin in the path yourself, if necessary". Coming back and saying "but it's not there" strongly implies you're not ready to be doing this sort of thing. Since it's a weekend, and I'm so much less stressed than during the week, I didn't just come out and say that :-) Now, I don't actually _know_ that it's in the default configuration. It's in my ~/.bash_profile, but it's possible that I did that myself (or at least uncommented something that was _commented_ in the original): $ grep "/bin" ~/.bash_profile if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" [UPDATE: it's also that way in /etc/skel/.profile, so it must be the default] -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 19:38:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:38:19 -0400 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <479B54B0.9070109@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <3222528.4KSl0Cc6rK@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Why would apt want to remove the gimp? I use it all the time! And what > about the other packages - I probably need them too - and if not how do > I know? How can I trust apt if it is wanting to remove the gimp that I > do need?! Just as with Dave's question, the answer is that it only ever wants to remove packages that you _didn't_ install explicitly - it was installed as a dependency. "apt-get install gimp" will ensure it doesn't want to remove it. -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 19:50:10 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:50:10 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801262150.10831.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > One should not mix apt-get and aptitude, > Why Not? It's much like beer and wine -- you'll regret it the next day. That said: I have no idea. I don't make the rules, I only parrot them :) \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 19:53:03 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:53:03 +0200 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801262153.03577.donn.ingle@gmail.com> grep, locate and find FTW! \d From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 19:44:46 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:44:46 -0400 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <479AD8CD.1050701@thedavefactor.com> <1566459.lqGC90o3xr@cedar.serverforest.com> <479B7137.3010708@mike-leone.com> <479B75A5.8090804@thedavefactor.com> Message-ID: <3552318.c4LBklnddl@cedar.serverforest.com> Dave Vincenty wrote: > Mike Leone wrote: >> Can you expand ?. So they're marked as "AutoInstalled"; that doesn't >> explain (to me) why that means that now they can be deleted. > > I think the idea is that, if you didn't ask for a package, and that > package isn't being used for anything, as far as the system can tell, > then it's just taking up space on your drive, and so it has a "feature" > of removing it for you. > > Now, let's see here... > > girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >> They are dependencies >> they don' works with new stuff > > Possibility #1: A lot of these packages really do need to be removed. > That might be true, although... > > Derek Broughton wrote: >> "apt" doesn't think anything needs to be removed. You have now got it >> back into a consistent state. aptitude has it's own tools for figuring >> out (better) what needs to be kept, but that relies on having installed >> with aptitude in the first place. That said, passing that entire list to >> "aptitude unmarkauto" would fix aptitude. > > It seems like all those packages depended on kubuntu-desktop, as the > first response I got said, but aptitude is doing its own thing and, > actually, the reason I don't use aptitude much anymore is because I once > accidentally allowed it to autoremove 100 "unused" packages, some of > which apparently, my X server couldn't start without, and then I went > GUI-less for a while. That's why Donn said it was potentially dangerous. I was an aptitude early-adopter, and I use it exclusively now, but making the change from apt-get to aptitude required me to _very_ carefully vet the aptitude decisions for a couple of weeks. I marked every 'lib' package as auto-installed, then unmarked all the java ones (which are generally standalone), then spent ages marking & unmarking packages until the ones I needed stayed on the system. > So... I guess this is a non-issue. If I decide I could use some free > hard drive space, I'll have to figure out for myself what to remove. pretty much. You start by removing kubuntu-desktop, then you decide which of the dependencies you can live without (or you remove some dependency of k-d, which forces the removal of k-d, then you're in the same boat). -- derek From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 19:55:28 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:55:28 -0500 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261215.03726.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <479B49F7.6080307@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801261455.28749.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Wulfy wrote: > unless the other language uses non-Latin characters... VELL ALL LANGVAGES EXCEPT LATIN VSE NON LATIN CHARACTERS -- D. Michael McIntyre From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 19:51:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:51:35 -0400 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801260835.53968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1841888.SfdjiurrGk@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael Leone wrote: > On 1/26/08, Donn wrote: >> You could also try: >> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade >> and see what it does. >> >> Then there is: >> sudo aptitude full-upgrade >> >> One should not mix apt-get and aptitude, > > Why Not? Not saying I don't believe you, just that I don't understand > why it would be bad. Doesn't aptitude just extend the apt-get, by > following the "Recommends" tags as well? Actually, you're probably closer to the truth than I would have thought. That didn't used to be the case. When aptitude was created, apt-get _never_ removed packages that had only been installed as dependencies, and aptitude introduced an extra level of dependency checking so that it could do that. But back then, Dave couldn't have seen the situation he did - because apt-get would never have been suggesting removing packages. We used to use deborphan for that. Obviously apt-get now does some of this, but equally obviously, it doesn't do it the same way as aptitude (or Dave wouldn't have seen the same problem with aptitude that he had already fixed with apt-get). As for "Recommends", that's just a (default) option. Aptitude doesn't necessarily install "Recommends", though for some unknown reason it's all or nothing - I can't use that as the default, but for some particular package (like eclipse where I _don't_ want all the -gcj packages) turn it off. If I try: "aptitude -R install eclipse", it won't try to install the gcj packages but it will try to remove every _other_ recommended package! -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 20:01:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:01:21 -0400 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> <200801261436.21532.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 26 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> So it would seem that all one needs to do is manually install the >> packages that apt wants you to autoremove (without needing to >> uninstall/remove them first) > > Quite so. > >> - you can highlight the entire list in the >> consol window, type 'sudo apt-get install ' (with the added space) and >> then middle mouse button to paste the entire list, then hit enter. > > You can, sure. I operate with the idea that I want to set as little as > possible to manual installed, because it helps with cruft problems later > on during upgrades, but this isn't a big deal. But on that note, I'd point out that Nigel almost certainly did _not_ need the lib* packages he just manually installed. lib packages regularly become outdated, because it is often necessary to have a libthing1 and a libthing2 package to support different versions (binary interfaces) of programs that depend on "thing". For instance we have: wotsit - depends thing > 1.5 < 2.0 whosit - depends thing >= 2.0 thing - depends libthing So we get: libthing1 & libthing2 which are binary incompatible versions of the same libthing package, and you can then have wotsit and whosit installed at the same time. When wotsit gets updated to use thing 2.0 and libthing2, libthing1 will become eligible for autoremoval. One of the big clues is that any lib*N package, where N is an integer that's actually part of the package name and not part of the version, is likely safe to remove if apt says so (but looking to see if you have some other package with the same name, except for the integer suffix, would be advisable :-) ) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Jan 26 20:04:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:05 -0400 Subject: SMS? References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> <200801261853.40769.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B8628.3040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4942538.3Qoy3MhYMe@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > David Fletcher said the following at 01/26/2008 11:53 AM : > >> It's not complicated at all. Once you've registered and set up a service, >> all you do is send email to something like >> >> @smsgateway.example.com >> > > Yes, I do that all the time. > > But that's not what Kontact wants. I _do_ know what you mean - but what's the problem? If you can send SMS to your phone via email (as I can) why do you need the other format? I know I got sidetracked on this a few years ago, then decided it was just simply not necessary. -- derek From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Jan 26 20:19:31 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:19:31 +0100 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <479B6526.8010304@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261534.04382.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <479B6526.8010304@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801262119.31392.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 26 January 2008 17:51, Wulfy wrote: > French has circumflex accents on I, E, A, O and U...  not on keyboard... > nor the ones termed "tréma"... > > One must assume they use some sort of combination of keys to produce those. > Exactly, *it is a "dead" key*, when I hit the "^" nothing happens until I press a suitable 2nd key, to print a lone circumflex I follow it with a space, or double type it. On my swiss-french qwertz keyboard the tilda behaves the same way but the "treima" turns into a double quote if followed by a space, (lone treima when doubble typed) nothing is simple ;) "äëïöüẅÿ" "¨ I know the "^" works the same on a pure frenc-french keyboard, at least the one next to the "p", cannot tell about the treima and the tilda. Perry -- BOFH excuse #376: Budget cuts forced us to sell all the power cords for the servers From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 20:23:16 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:23:16 -0500 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <479B7536.8070806@gmail.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261157.07594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7536.8070806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261523.16762.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > System Settings | Regional & Language | Xkb Options That's where I was, but I stand behind the "not remotely obvious" how to set up a quick switch thing with any of these options. There's nothing there that clearly indicates to me that's what it's for. The language is vague to me (I can interpret "group" and "alternate group" several different ways, for example, and don't know which is the correct interpretation), and most of these options either don't work, or I don't understand what they did if they did something. I think some of both. I've always had weird keyboard problems with Linux since forever. I think it may have something to do with my ancient 17 year old keyboard. The only Microsoft product I have any use for; they never made another Natural Keyboard as good as the original one, and mine has about 10 million words on it (literally), looks like total hell, and still works. Anyway, don't waste time trying to help me solve it, because I'm not looking to solve it. When I did have this working, I found my habit of clicking the little flag was too well established, and I never used the new trick at all. If anybody needs help figuring it out, it's some other poster on the thread. In fact, this whole thing gives me a déjà vu sensation. I remember making similar comments once before, and someone stood on my chest until I managed to get the auto switchie thing to work for five minutes to get him to quit trying to help and leave me alone. Then it broke, and I continued along on my merry way. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 20:26:41 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:26:41 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <200801262150.10831.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801262150.10831.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801261526.41192.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Donn wrote: > > Why Not? > > It's much like beer and wine -- you'll regret it the next day. Not nearly so bad as mixing beer with creme de menthe and vanilla ice cream. DAMHIKT. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Jan 26 20:32:02 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:32:02 -0500 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261436.21532.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801261532.02870.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > You can, sure. I operate with the idea that I want to set as little as > > possible to manual installed, because it helps with cruft problems later > > on during upgrades, but this isn't a big deal. > But on that note, I'd point out that Nigel almost certainly did _not_ need > the lib* packages he just manually installed. Quite right. The "cruft problems" I didn't bother to elaborate on. Good explanation. That's why I suggested doing this with the big packages you know you want. Install, eg., the gimp, and let apt worry about the libs. At the end of the day, you have all your apps, and probably do have some obsolete libs left over; especially if you're installing anything from, say, backports. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jan 26 21:09:10 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:09:10 -0600 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479BA176.8050605@swbell.net> D. R. Evans wrote: > O. Sinclair said the following at 01/26/2008 06:11 AM : > >> Honestly, >> does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? >> >> > > I can speak only for myself, but I can't imagine how Aaron Seigo (who gave > the recent KDE4 Keynote speech) could possibly think that strigi is > remotely useful in its current form. > > Drop it and use Kerry/beagle, that's my advice. > I shot that stupid dog. > Desktop search seems to be one of those blind spots where there have been > several attempts to get it to work well on Linux, but none of them has come > even close to what's available on Windows, and none of them has really > worked as well as one would like. No doubt it will be licked at some point > in the next couple of years (and it could well be strigi that emerges as > the best application) but it seems to be taking surprisingly long to get it > right. > > Doc > > Best, most useful, I have found is Konqueror and +. Not that it's all that great but it at least finds what your looking for......................... Eventually. From lists at ptfd.org Sun Jan 27 01:01:46 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:01:46 -0500 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801262001.46203.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 26 January 2008 14:20:00 D. R. Evans wrote: > O. Sinclair said the following at 01/26/2008 06:11 AM : > > Honestly, > > does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? > > I can speak only for myself, but I can't imagine how Aaron Seigo (who gave > the recent KDE4 Keynote speech) could possibly think that strigi is > remotely useful in its current form. > > Drop it and use Kerry/beagle, that's my advice. > > Desktop search seems to be one of those blind spots where there have been > several attempts to get it to work well on Linux, but none of them has come > even close to what's available on Windows, and none of them has really > worked as well as one would like. No doubt it will be licked at some point > in the next couple of years (and it could well be strigi that emerges as > the best application) but it seems to be taking surprisingly long to get it > right. I personally like google desktop, very fast and easy to understand, biggest drawback, I cant get it to run in kde4.. Mike From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 03:26:51 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:26:51 +0200 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <200801262001.46203.lists@ptfd.org> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> <200801262001.46203.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <479BF9FB.1070103@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Saturday 26 January 2008 14:20:00 D. R. Evans wrote: >> O. Sinclair said the following at 01/26/2008 06:11 AM : >>> Honestly, >>> does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? >> I can speak only for myself, but I can't imagine how Aaron Seigo (who gave >> the recent KDE4 Keynote speech) could possibly think that strigi is >> remotely useful in its current form. >> >> Drop it and use Kerry/beagle, that's my advice. >> >> Desktop search seems to be one of those blind spots where there have been >> several attempts to get it to work well on Linux, but none of them has come >> even close to what's available on Windows, and none of them has really >> worked as well as one would like. No doubt it will be licked at some point >> in the next couple of years (and it could well be strigi that emerges as >> the best application) but it seems to be taking surprisingly long to get it >> right. > I personally like google desktop, very fast and easy to understand, biggest > drawback, I cant get it to run in kde4.. > So far I have not seen one positive reply on this issue. Time to check out Google Desktop then I guess, am not a FOSS religious person. Kerry/Beagle I hear is good but heavy on resources? Sinclair From lists at ptfd.org Sun Jan 27 04:21:28 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:21:28 -0500 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479BF9FB.1070103@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> <200801262001.46203.lists@ptfd.org> <479BF9FB.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801262321.28958.lists@ptfd.org> On Saturday 26 January 2008 22:26:51 O. Sinclair wrote: > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > > On Saturday 26 January 2008 14:20:00 D. R. Evans wrote: > >> O. Sinclair said the following at 01/26/2008 06:11 AM : > >>> Honestly, > >>> does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? > >> > >> I can speak only for myself, but I can't imagine how Aaron Seigo (who > >> gave the recent KDE4 Keynote speech) could possibly think that strigi is > >> remotely useful in its current form. > >> > >> Drop it and use Kerry/beagle, that's my advice. > >> > >> Desktop search seems to be one of those blind spots where there have > >> been several attempts to get it to work well on Linux, but none of them > >> has come even close to what's available on Windows, and none of them has > >> really worked as well as one would like. No doubt it will be licked at > >> some point in the next couple of years (and it could well be strigi that > >> emerges as the best application) but it seems to be taking surprisingly > >> long to get it right. > > > > I personally like google desktop, very fast and easy to understand, > > biggest drawback, I cant get it to run in kde4.. > > So far I have not seen one positive reply on this issue. Time to check > out Google Desktop then I guess, am not a FOSS religious person. > Kerry/Beagle I hear is good but heavy on resources? That has been my impression. With fiesty I removed strigi, and installed kerry/beagle. I liked it but it was heavy and when it was indexing it was really hard to work efficiently. Google desktop has been really great for me, -xcept for the problem with kde4 now :( Mike From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Jan 27 06:19:04 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:19:04 +0200 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> <200801261436.21532.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <479C2258.6010802@rmk.co.il> Derek Broughton wrote: > D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> So it would seem that all one needs to do is manually install the >>> packages that apt wants you to autoremove (without needing to >>> uninstall/remove them first) >> Quite so. >> >>> - you can highlight the entire list in the >>> consol window, type 'sudo apt-get install ' (with the added space) and >>> then middle mouse button to paste the entire list, then hit enter. >> You can, sure. I operate with the idea that I want to set as little as >> possible to manual installed, because it helps with cruft problems later >> on during upgrades, but this isn't a big deal. > > But on that note, I'd point out that Nigel almost certainly did _not_ need > the lib* packages he just manually installed. > > lib packages regularly become outdated, because it is often necessary to > have a libthing1 and a libthing2 package to support different versions > (binary interfaces) of programs that depend on "thing". > > For instance we have: > > wotsit - depends thing > 1.5 < 2.0 > whosit - depends thing >= 2.0 > thing - depends libthing > > So we get: libthing1 & libthing2 which are binary incompatible versions of > the same libthing package, and you can then have wotsit and whosit > installed at the same time. When wotsit gets updated to use thing 2.0 and > libthing2, libthing1 will become eligible for autoremoval. > > One of the big clues is that any lib*N package, where N is an integer that's > actually part of the package name and not part of the version, is likely > safe to remove if apt says so (but looking to see if you have some other > package with the same name, except for the integer suffix, would be > advisable :-) ) That's all well and good - but how am I to *know* that I don't need such and such lib - trust apt - when it wants to remove the gimp, which I know that I do need and use? It's OK if one is familiar with the system and understands differing lib versions but what about the like of us that are just wanting to trust the package manager? Yours a little peeved... Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Jan 27 07:57:46 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:57:46 +0100 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove In-Reply-To: <479C2258.6010802@rmk.co.il> References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> <200801261436.21532.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> <479C2258.6010802@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <479C397A.9030505@free.fr> When I trust it (i believe it better than me) I often do a lot of job to recover all what I need specially when apt or aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop or kdebase-bin-kde3 Up to now i still walk in fog with those tools but at the end they are better than me :) Nigel Ridley wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> >> >>> On Saturday 26 January 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> >>>> So it would seem that all one needs to do is manually install the >>>> packages that apt wants you to autoremove (without needing to >>>> uninstall/remove them first) ! >>>> >>> Quite so. >>> >>> >>>> - you can highlight the entire list in the >>>> consol window, type 'sudo apt-get install ' (with the added space) and >>>> then middle mouse button to paste the entire list, then hit enter. >>>> >>> You can, sure. I operate with the idea that I want to set as little as >>> possible to manual installed, because it helps with cruft problems later >>> on during upgrades, but this isn't a big deal. >>> >> But on that note, I'd point out that Nigel almost certainly did _not_ need >> the lib* packages he just manually installed. >> >> lib packages regularly become outdated, because it is often necessary to >> have a libthing1 and a libthing2 package to support different versions >> (binary interfaces) of programs that depend on "thing". >> >> For instance we have: >> >> wotsit - depends thing > 1.5 < 2.0 >> whosit - depends thing >= 2.0 >> thing - depends libthing >> >> So we get: libthing1 & libthing2 which are binary incompatible versions of >> the same libthing package, and you can then have wotsit and whosit >> installed at the same time. When wotsit gets updated to use thing 2.0 and >> libthing2, libthing1 will become eligible for autoremoval. >> >> One of the big clues is that any lib*N package, where N is an integer that's >> actually part of the package name and not part of the version, is likely >> safe to remove if apt says so (but looking to see if you have some other >> package with the same name, except for the integer suffix, would be >> advisable :-) ) >> > > That's all well and good - but how am I to *know* that I don't need such > and such lib - trust apt - when it wants to remove the gimp, which I > know that I do need and use? > It's OK if one is familiar with the system and understands differing lib > versions but what about the like of us that are just wanting to trust > the package manager? > > Yours a little peeved... > > Nigel > > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 08:36:54 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:36:54 +0200 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00801260209h34986591vd9331355e7803650@mail.gmail.com> <1946660.2O0vU6ZOTx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801270036n120d602cq41aed718f3a6e2f8@mail.gmail.com> On 26/01/2008, Michael Leone wrote: > On 1/26/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Knapp wrote: > > > > > On Jan 26, 2008 11:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > >> > > >> Put the command in ~/bin/arbitraryName and chmod it +x (be sure that > > >> ~/bin is in your path). Then make a link to it in Kmenu. > > >> > > > I tried that and still no go. I don't have a bin dir in home. Did you > > > mean the normal one? > > > > No. What's wrong with _creating_ one? iirc, the default bash setup for > > users adds ~/bin to your path _if_ you have one. > > I don't think the OP knows that. *I* didn't know that, until you mentioned it. I did mean that it should be in the user's home directory. That's what ~ implies. And yes, if ~/bin does not exist then go ahead and create it. The file should also start with #!/bin/bash as the first line, and needs the executable bit. If the OP is still stuck, then he should google "bash scripting". I don't mean to be a dick, but there is lots of material on the subject, and knowing how to google will help him find answers faster. That said, I've also been guilty of asking a question on the list when a quick google would do, however, those situations are usually when I don't know what keywords to google. That's why I mention to google "bash scripting". Adding the name of your distro (in this case, kubuntu) doesn't hurt, either. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Jan 27 12:43:34 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:43:34 +0100 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801271343.34711.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Friday 25 January 2008 15:26, Donn wrote: > If anyone wants to erase their driv... er test it, then it's at: > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui/0.0.2a > Er... Make that: > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui] > > Expect bugs. Installed in Ubuntu, copied to memory stick, run on Suse, found no bugs yet. Seems very nice and easy of use. It's just that I'm so dissapointed :'( I expected you to write a bash script ;0) Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #338: old inkjet cartridges emanate barium-based fumes From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 13:08:50 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:08:50 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <200801271343.34711.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801271343.34711.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801271508.50855.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Installed in Ubuntu, copied to memory stick, run on Suse, found no bugs > yet. Phew! Thanks for giving it a go. > Seems very nice and easy of use. Great! You can also add to the selection from any number of directories, so it's not limited to the one you're in. > It's just that I'm so dissapointed :'( > I expected you to write a bash script ;0) Lol - life's too short to bash one's head against bash :) \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 13:10:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:10:07 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801270510n2ad2c143jc622e4756a1d0c31@mail.gmail.com> On 25/01/2008, Donn wrote: > Hi, > Well, I went and made a wee script to do that copy/paste imitation I spoke of > earlier. If anyone wants to erase their driv... er test it, then it's at: > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fui/0.0.2a > > Expect bugs. > :) > \d > For those who missed the previous thread, care to explain what the script does? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 14:16:15 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:16:15 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <880dece00801270510n2ad2c143jc622e4756a1d0c31@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801270510n2ad2c143jc622e4756a1d0c31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801271616.15329.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > For those who missed the previous thread, care to explain what the script > does? It's for command-line use, when you are moving herds of files/folders around. Rather than mv this that all the time, or using arcane greps and other tricks, it let's you simply add files/folders (names) to a selection. So, you can select some files (and using normal wildcards, here for example, all the png files) fui bling blang bong *.png (Then move to another folder) cd someotherplace fui socks shorts shirts (Adds those too) Then you decide you don't want shorts or wibble.png fui --exclude shorts wibble.png (Now you want to copy those somewhere) cd whereIwantStuff fui --copy (done!) You can also move stuff -- but there is more in the help. The idea was to imitate the select-copy/cut and paste paradigm from gui file managers. HTH \d -- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 27 14:55:38 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:55:38 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Books Message-ID: <479C9B6A.5010802@sbcglobal.net> Does anyone know of books that talks about Kubuntu-7.10 for newbies, Dolphin, Konqueror howto. Please no Ubuntu books, they SUCK !! . From nepal.roade at virgin.net Sun Jan 27 15:02:52 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:02:52 +0000 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801271502.52435.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Saturday 26 January 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > Honestly, > does anyone get something meaningful out of Strigi? > > I have x number of documents etc and I have had Strigi > run its indexing and so on. On search for eg "scc" I get > loads of hltm, vcf and so on files. But no documents and > I can tell you I have loads of documents with scc in the > title not to mention in the text. > > Search for "Bowie" and expect music files etc and get, > again, old hmtl pages I have stored. > > Seems rather meaningless to use at the moment or I am > doing something fundamentally wrong. > > Sinclair I tried Strigi for a while but ended up discarding it. I found in the repos "Recoll". So far I find it more useful than Strigi and it doesn't seem to tie up resources the way Beagle/Kat etc do. I just don't understand the multiple index part so far (at least enough to get it working). nepal. From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 27 14:58:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:58:37 -0400 Subject: Accented characters References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261157.07594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7536.8070806@gmail.com> <200801261523.16762.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <5512097.9PuyN1tNQr@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 26 January 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: >> System Settings | Regional & Language | Xkb Options > > That's where I was, but I stand behind the "not remotely obvious" how to > set up a quick switch thing with any of these options. You're absolutely right - has anybody filed a bug about this? > There's nothing there that clearly indicates to me that's what it's for. > > The only Microsoft product I have any use for; they never > made another Natural Keyboard as good as the original one, and mine has > about 10 million words on it (literally), looks like total hell, and still > works. Again, you're absolutely right. I have a look-alike keyboard at work that's OK, but there's nothing to match my original MS Natural. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jan 27 15:04:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:04:36 -0400 Subject: APT Is Nagging Me To Remove Things I Don't Want To Remove References: <479AC18A.4070500@thedavefactor.com> <200801261206.27387.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7490.7000301@rmk.co.il> <200801261436.21532.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <3461200.oGFxi2fOXl@cedar.serverforest.com> <479C2258.6010802@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1374468.gorfhVUEQb@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> One of the big clues is that any lib*N package, where N is an integer >> that's actually part of the package name and not part of the version, is >> likely safe to remove if apt says so (but looking to see if you have some >> other package with the same name, except for the integer suffix, would be >> advisable :-) ) > > That's all well and good - but how am I to *know* that I don't need such > and such lib - trust apt - when it wants to remove the gimp, which I > know that I do need and use? No, as I said it's the "lib*" packages that are (generally) safe. Trust yourself, not apt. If you know you need a package, you know you need it. > It's OK if one is familiar with the system and understands differing lib > versions but what about the like of us that are just wanting to trust > the package manager? These things happen - but these things do _not_ happen to people who use stable versions of Ubuntu with no external repositories, and never use dpkg, apt-get or aptitude directly. Even then, if you avoid dpkg it's rare. If you're going to use apt-get you need to learn how to cope with this sort of thing. None of these methods of updating your system are recommended by Ubuntu. -- derek From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Sun Jan 27 15:34:18 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:34:18 +0100 Subject: SMS? References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: D. R. Evans wrote: > I recently entered the 21st century by purchasing a phone with SMS > capability, which means that it now makes sense for me to install an > SMS-sending program on my main Kubuntu system. > > I did a search in Synaptic for "sms" and it seems like there are several > possible clients one can use to send SMS messages from Kubuntu (in > particular, from within Kontact). Which package do people here recommend? > You could use this command as sms script hook if you have an email<->sms provider: kmail --subject '' --body '' %N at provider.tld (I didn't find the body variable, yet) Jan From philbieber at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 16:44:59 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:44:59 +0100 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0801270844i5a6f1fb2vf9086a890104e8d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi! Have a look at gnokii or gammu (or wammu, one of them is with a GTK-Interface, the other is just a command line utility.) I have tried Wammu and it's supposed to be able to send and receive SMS over an attached (via bluetooth or cable) cell phone... Check it out! Cheers Phil Bieber -- Avoid rape - say yes! Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 17:46:59 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:46:59 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <200801271616.15329.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801270510n2ad2c143jc622e4756a1d0c31@mail.gmail.com> <200801271616.15329.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801270946j1966ccd7me74b4c513c30ece0@mail.gmail.com> On 27/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > For those who missed the previous thread, care to explain what the script > > does? > It's for command-line use, when you are moving herds of files/folders around. > Rather than mv this that all the time, or using arcane greps and other > tricks, it let's you simply add files/folders (names) to a selection. > So, you can select some files (and using normal wildcards, here for example, > all the png files) > fui bling blang bong *.png > (Then move to another folder) > cd someotherplace > fui socks shorts shirts > (Adds those too) > Then you decide you don't want shorts or wibble.png > fui --exclude shorts wibble.png > (Now you want to copy those somewhere) > cd whereIwantStuff > fui --copy > (done!) > > You can also move stuff -- but there is more in the help. > > The idea was to imitate the select-copy/cut and paste paradigm from gui file > managers. Very nice. Very, very nice. I can imagine this becoming a standard shell tool like cp. Good job. > Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. A witty quote proves nothing. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 20:49:54 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:49:54 -0700 Subject: Strigi results In-Reply-To: <479BF9FB.1070103@gmail.com> References: <479B317A.40805@gmail.com> <479B87E0.1050704@gmail.com> <200801262001.46203.lists@ptfd.org> <479BF9FB.1070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479CEE72.5020203@gmail.com> O. Sinclair said the following at 01/26/2008 08:26 PM : > So far I have not seen one positive reply on this issue. Time to check > out Google Desktop then I guess, am not a FOSS religious person. > Kerry/Beagle I hear is good but heavy on resources? I sure don't have an issue with beagle using resources; I've never noticed it at all, and I've been running it for more than a year on dapper and then gutsy. Obviously, YMMV. I find it to be invisible, fast, accurate and reliable. The people that suggest using standard tools like grep, find, etc., probably don't use it for doing things like searching for media files. Don't get me wrong: kerry/beagle is a long way from perfect (it needs to know about a lot more file types, gets confused about the dates of IM conversations, and needs to understand encryption, just to name three examples); but at various points in the past year I believe I've tried all the search tools mentioned so far in this thread, and I haven't a shadow of a doubt that, for me at least, kerry/beagle is by far the best. The others either miss files, are unstable, don't let you search within a particular category of resource, or search a much more limited set of types of file. The comment someone made about about google desktop was exactly my original point: we don't have anything to match the tools that are available in the Windows world. Yet. I have no doubt that eventually our tools will far exceed theirs. Doc From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 20:54:23 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:54:23 -0700 Subject: Accented characters In-Reply-To: <200801261523.16762.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801242310.09822.swimbarrow@googlemail.com> <200801261157.07594.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479B7536.8070806@gmail.com> <200801261523.16762.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <479CEF7F.6050300@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre said the following at 01/26/2008 01:23 PM : > Anyway, don't waste time trying to help me solve it, because I'm not looking > to solve it. When I did have this working, I found my habit of clicking the > little flag was too well established, and I never used the new trick at all. > Yes, I do the same. I recall installing the switch-by-obscure-keyboard-command thing several years ago, and like you discovered that I never actually used it. In practice I always ended up clicking the flag. Doc From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 21:02:52 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:02:52 -0700 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <4942538.3Qoy3MhYMe@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <200801261109.15863.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B5454.8050008@gmail.com> <200801261853.40769.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <479B8628.3040901@gmail.com> <4942538.3Qoy3MhYMe@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> Derek Broughton said the following at 01/26/2008 01:04 PM : >> But that's not what Kontact wants. > > I _do_ know what you mean - but what's the problem? If you can send SMS to > your phone via email (as I can) why do you need the other format? I know I I don't want to send it to MY phone. I have all these mobile phone numbers in my contacts in Kontact, so I want to click on "SMS" and have Kontact to what it seems to be intended to do when you click there: send an SMS to that person. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole point of that little "(SMS)" that appears next to the mobile number. But if so, I can't imagine what else it might be intended for. If/when they get around to documenting the feature, I suspect that it'll all become blindingly obvious how to make it work. Doc From mark.farnell at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 22:20:12 2008 From: mark.farnell at gmail.com (Mark Farnell) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:20:12 +1300 Subject: Hardy alpha 4 and final release Message-ID: Will hardy alpha 4 CD features KDE4 (and install by default?). If not, will Hardy final install KDE4 by default? (or at least available as option and KDE4 packages included in the main repository) Thanks Mark From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 23:00:25 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:00:25 -0500 Subject: Hardy alpha 4 and final release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2759cf860801271500w22c4743bie135b09c87a731b6@mail.gmail.com> kde4 packages are available in the main hardy repos at the moment. On Jan 27, 2008 5:20 PM, Mark Farnell wrote: > Will hardy alpha 4 CD features KDE4 (and install by default?). If > not, will Hardy final install KDE4 by default? (or at least available > as option and KDE4 packages included in the main repository) > > Thanks > > Mark > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 23:52:33 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:52:33 +0100 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <4942538.3Qoy3MhYMe@cedar.serverforest.com> <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801280052.33305.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Sunday 27 January 2008 22:02:52 D. R. Evans wrote: > Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole point of that little "(SMS)" that > appears next to the mobile number. But if so, I can't imagine what else it > might be intended for. Well, we should ask to whoever wrote the code. ;) I think there's a how-to here: http://forum.swisslinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1 It's in french, and, as far as I understand it, you need some provider to send to once you get the script going. Is that right? -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 23:58:27 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:58:27 +0100 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <4942538.3Qoy3MhYMe@cedar.serverforest.com> <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801280058.27804.lanzenesi@gmail.com> And in this kontact.po file at http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/it/messages/kdepim/kontact.po there's a reference at kmobiletools plugin... -- lanzen From mark.farnell at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 00:33:52 2008 From: mark.farnell at gmail.com (Mark Farnell) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:33:52 +1300 Subject: Hardy alpha 4 and final release In-Reply-To: <2759cf860801271500w22c4743bie135b09c87a731b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860801271500w22c4743bie135b09c87a731b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: very good, but will kde4 be installed by default in alpha 4 and/or hardy final? On Jan 28, 2008 12:00 PM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > kde4 packages are available in the main hardy repos at the moment. > > > On Jan 27, 2008 5:20 PM, Mark Farnell wrote: > > Will hardy alpha 4 CD features KDE4 (and install by default?). If > > not, will Hardy final install KDE4 by default? (or at least available > > as option and KDE4 packages included in the main repository) > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 00:45:00 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:45:00 -0500 Subject: Note Keeper (like Kjot) Message-ID: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> is there another application that is better than kjot for note keeping, using a hierarchy structure that I can use, that has better searching features.. TIA Richard From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 01:13:29 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:13:29 -0500 Subject: Hardy alpha 4 and final release In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860801271500w22c4743bie135b09c87a731b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860801271713h275ae9b1n5374c16bad515811@mail.gmail.com> I'm not privy to any special knowledge or anything but, as I understand it, that will not be the case. On Jan 27, 2008 7:33 PM, Mark Farnell wrote: > very good, but will kde4 be installed by default in alpha 4 and/or hardy final? > > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:00 PM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > > kde4 packages are available in the main hardy repos at the moment. > > > > > > On Jan 27, 2008 5:20 PM, Mark Farnell wrote: > > > Will hardy alpha 4 CD features KDE4 (and install by default?). If > > > not, will Hardy final install KDE4 by default? (or at least available > > > as option and KDE4 packages included in the main repository) > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From nepal.roade at virgin.net Mon Jan 28 02:49:09 2008 From: nepal.roade at virgin.net (nepal) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:49:09 +0000 Subject: Note Keeper (like Kjot) In-Reply-To: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801280249.09595.nepal.roade@virgin.net> On Monday 28 January 2008, Richard wrote: > is there another application that is better than kjot for > note keeping, using a hierarchy structure that I can use, > that has better searching features.. > > TIA > Richard knowit is in the repos. That uses a tree structure. For searching it only seems to have simple text search. nepal. From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Jan 27 22:10:19 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:10:19 +0000 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <4942538.3Qoy3MhYMe@cedar.serverforest.com> <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801272210.19264.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 27 Jan 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > > I don't want to send it to MY phone. I have all these mobile phone numbers > in my contacts in Kontact, so I want to click on "SMS" and have Kontact to > what it seems to be intended to do when you click there: send an SMS to > that person. > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole point of that little "(SMS)" that > appears next to the mobile number. But if so, I can't imagine what else it > might be intended for. > > If/when they get around to documenting the feature, I suspect that it'll > all become blindingly obvious how to make it work. > > Doc > > I would simply join up with an email to SMS service, add email addresses to the service in kaddressbook for each person you want to contact in this manner, and also set up a "special transport" to be used with an identity for sending to SMS, which knows the user ID and password to use the service. D -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 03:25:32 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:25:32 -0500 Subject: Hardy alpha 4 and final release In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860801271500w22c4743bie135b09c87a731b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0801271925n6aa74c1fv9b3411c9d791c0f3@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 27, 2008 7:33 PM, Mark Farnell wrote: > very good, but will kde4 be installed by default in alpha 4 and/or hardy final? There will be two CDs available at the release of Hardy. One will have KDE3 and the other will have KDE4. If you upgrade your Gutsy install to Hardy through the distribution upgrade in Adept, then you will keep KDE3 as the default. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From kfulks at knology.net Mon Jan 28 04:19:35 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:19:35 -0600 Subject: Note Keeper (like Kjot) In-Reply-To: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479D57D7.2050409@knology.net> Richard wrote: > is there another application that is better than kjot for note keeping, > using a hierarchy structure that I can use, that has better searching > features.. > > TIA > Richard > Have you looked at BasKet? It is similar to the Microsoft's OneNote application. It certainly hits the hierarchy structure, but I haven't really looked at searching within it. It does support filtering, however. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From upulg.dev at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 04:21:28 2008 From: upulg.dev at gmail.com (Upul Godage) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:51:28 +0530 Subject: Note Keeper (like Kjot) In-Reply-To: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51e581cd0801272021s4e7dcf51md75112c69c4d903f@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried BasKet? Upul On Jan 28, 2008 6:15 AM, Richard wrote: > is there another application that is better than kjot for note keeping, > using a hierarchy structure that I can use, that has better searching > features.. > > TIA > Richard > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 05:56:25 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:56:25 -0700 Subject: Note Keeper (like Kjot) In-Reply-To: <51e581cd0801272021s4e7dcf51md75112c69c4d903f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> <51e581cd0801272021s4e7dcf51md75112c69c4d903f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479D6E89.7020607@gmail.com> Upul Godage said the following at 01/27/2008 09:21 PM : > Have you tried BasKet? I'll echo that. I've used BasKet for note taking for the past year or so and have been very pleased with it. The one huge problem with BasKet is that the guy that wrote it has essentially abandoned it (he says he will do a KDE4 version, though, just because he needs it himself). There were some great plans for the future of BasKet but they have all essentially disappeared due to lack of his time unfortunately. Doc From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 06:15:51 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:15:51 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <880dece00801270946j1966ccd7me74b4c513c30ece0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801271616.15329.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801270946j1966ccd7me74b4c513c30ece0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801280815.51924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Very nice. Very, very nice. I can imagine this becoming a standard > shell tool like cp. Good job. Thanks, some encouragement never goes awry. > A witty quote proves nothing. Neither does the repartee... hold on, I sense an infinite loop here :) \d -- I can bend minds with my spoon. -- unknown Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 06:47:58 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:47:58 +0200 Subject: HELPP CDROM WONT WORK!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801280847.58956.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > ok somebody help me... i cant enable the cd-rom drives. the automatic > feature will not work.. what do i need to do? Does your cd rom work at all? Can you try this: (Type the command without the $ sign) $ dmesg | grep -i rom I get this among the results: [ 4.096000] hdb: GIGABYTE GO-W1608A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive You could try 'cd' 'cd-rom' in the above command also. We just want to establish that Kubuntu knows it's there at all. If it's not there then you need to (and do anyway) check your master/slave cables and jumpers as well as your BIOS. \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From mark.farnell at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 07:14:06 2008 From: mark.farnell at gmail.com (Mark Farnell) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:14:06 +1300 Subject: Will Hardy alpha 4 includes a KDE4 CD? Message-ID: Thanks! However is Hardy Alpha 4 going to include a KDE4 liveCD / alternative CD? This would help us to test the KDE4!!! Mark On 1/28/08, Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Jan 27, 2008 7:33 PM, Mark Farnell wrote: > > very good, but will kde4 be installed by default in alpha 4 and/or hardy > final? > > There will be two CDs available at the release of Hardy. One will have > KDE3 and the other will have KDE4. If you upgrade your Gutsy install > to Hardy through the distribution upgrade in Adept, then you will keep > KDE3 as the default. > > Andrew > > -- > 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 08:01:18 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:01:18 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0801261113o7f7e8de9se43ffaaa055e8db1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0801261113o7f7e8de9se43ffaaa055e8db1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Jan 25, 2008 6:22 AM, Knapp wrote: > > I would like to put in an entry in the menu that I can click that does > > the command:setcd -x 1 but when I edit it and put it in, it does not > > work. > > How can I do this? Sure I can do it from the command like but my > > daughter can't. I click would be good. > > DEK > > > > What exact command did you put in the menu item? > > It might be as simple as the need to specify > > /home/user/slowcd.txt > > instead of ~/slowcd.txt > > > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own Thanks for being helpful and nice as is the Ubuntu way and the rest of you also with nice responses! My file is called /home/bin/slowcd.sh These lines are in it: #!/bin/bash setcd -x 1 name:Quiet DVD and I have an exclamation point in a star as the icon. command: /home/bin/slowcd.sh checked enable launch feedback checked run in terminal. Thanks for the help Douglas E Knapp the OP From eprosoft at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 11:11:41 2008 From: eprosoft at gmail.com (Eduardo P. =?iso-8859-1?q?Rom=E1n?= O.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:11:41 -0300 Subject: Help With KMIX Message-ID: <200801280811.41935.eprosoft@gmail.com> Hey, Still I can't recover mu Kmix and sound on my Kubuntu KDE 3.5.8, when try to get start Kmix, I got the message "KMIX is not working", becouse don't have a mix associate. How can help me, Pleease. -- Saludos Cordiales Eduardo P. Román O. Ingeniero en informática User #298254 http://counter.li.org. Epro Software CONFIDENCIALIDAD: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o en los archivos adjuntos es de carácter confidencial o privilegiada y está destinada al uso exclusivo del emisor y/o de la persona o entidad a quien va dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, cualquier almacenamiento, divulgación, distribución o copia de esta información está estrictamente prohibido y sancionado por la ley. Si recibió este mensaje por error, por favor infórmenos inmediatamente respondiendo este mismo mensaje y borre todos los archivos adjuntos. Gracias. CONFIDENTIAL NOTE: The information transmitted in this message and/or attachments is confidential and/or privileged and is intented only for use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any retention,dissemination, distribution or copy of this information is strictly prohibited and sanctioned by law. If you received this messagge in error, please reply us this same message and delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Jan 28 11:11:39 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:11:39 +0000 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A2C6B.4060106@yahoo.it> <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479DB86B.7080109@yahoo.it> D. R. Evans wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano said the following at 01/25/2008 11:37 AM : >> D. R. Evans wrote: [] > The blurb for KMobileTools says: > > KDE application for controlling your mobile phone > KMobileTools is a nice KDE application that allows you to control your > mobile phone from your GNU/Linux PC. > It's based on a Motorola C350 and C650, but it's also compatible with > other mobile phones like Nokia, Ericsson and Siemens. > > ---- > > Which doesn't sound at all like what I am looking for. I don't want to > control anything; I just want to be able send an SMS from the computer to > people's phones. It doesn't seem right that it should matter what kind of > phone they have, since SMS is SMS, regardless of the phone. One of the functions is to send a new sms, I've been using it for that :) sorry if it has unneeded functions I. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 11:23:39 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:23:39 +0200 Subject: Help With KMIX In-Reply-To: <200801280811.41935.eprosoft@gmail.com> References: <200801280811.41935.eprosoft@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281323.39415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Still I can't recover mu Kmix and sound on my Kubuntu KDE 3.5.8, when try > to get start Kmix, I got the message "KMIX is not working", becouse don't > have a mix associate. If you can post the entire message (in English) we might see something. Also, try searching for 'mix associate' and 'kmix' you might get lucky. Have you tried alsamixer from the command line? That can help to see what's working/not working. \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 11:55:35 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:55:35 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <200801280815.51924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801271616.15329.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801270946j1966ccd7me74b4c513c30ece0@mail.gmail.com> <200801280815.51924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00801280355t6bb5126atee57f9563c3c19c9@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/2008, Donn wrote: > > Very nice. Very, very nice. I can imagine this becoming a standard > > shell tool like cp. Good job. > Thanks, some encouragement never goes awry. > > > A witty quote proves nothing. > Neither does the repartee... hold on, I sense an infinite loop here :) It is another Voltaire quote. I thought that you'd recognize it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 12:01:40 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:01:40 +0200 Subject: fui on the command line In-Reply-To: <880dece00801280355t6bb5126atee57f9563c3c19c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801251626.18009.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200801280815.51924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00801280355t6bb5126atee57f9563c3c19c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281401.40217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > It is another Voltaire quote. I thought that you'd recognize it. Ah, my ignorance shines through. Thanks for the new quote! \d From slewin at bmts.com Mon Jan 28 14:43:28 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:43:28 -0500 Subject: Trolltech and Nokia Message-ID: <479DEA10.5060300@bmts.com> Hi, does anyone have any thoughts on Nokia acquiring Trolltech and how this might effect Kubuntu? I read the open letter from Trolltech to the open source community, and the response from the KDE group and, so far, it all sounds good. Nokia plans to continue to support Trolltech's open source initiatives and they plan to even become a Patron of KDE, but I know sometimes things that sound good really are not. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From slewin at bmts.com Mon Jan 28 14:49:01 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:49:01 -0500 Subject: Note Keeper (like Kjot) In-Reply-To: <479D57D7.2050409@knology.net> References: <200801271945.01170.cms0009@gmail.com> <479D57D7.2050409@knology.net> Message-ID: <479DEB5D.3000405@bmts.com> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > Richard wrote: >> is there another application that is better than kjot for note keeping, >> using a hierarchy structure that I can use, that has better searching >> features.. When I tried Ubuntu with Gnome I really liked the wiki style in Tomboy, sadly it is a large install in Kubuntu. Does anyone know of a wiki style note taker that is Qt based? -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From dgvirtual at akl.lt Mon Jan 28 14:47:10 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:47:10 +0200 Subject: building packages from hardy source for gutsy Message-ID: <200801281647.10351.dgvirtual@akl.lt> The way I usually do it is this: add the deb-src for hardy to /etc/apt/sources.list do apt-get update then do apt-get source kdesudo which would set up the sources for me. And then - the usual cd kdesudo sudo apt-get build-dep kdesudo dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b cd ../ sudo dpkg -i kdesudo*.deb However, I have seen in some howto the manual way of doing this - so that I would not have to apt-get source the package (and change the sources repositories to hardy if I still need gutsy once in a while). What is the command to execute that sets up the sources, once I have downloaded the appropriate kdesudo*.tar.gz kdesudo*.diff.gz kdesudo*.dsc files? I do also remember (from the old time I used debian) that apt is capable of using the specified release version of the packages to download (or install) using the -t releaseversion option. But I have to set up apt-get to do that as well as adding the proper repositories. This would be even more convenient than the above thing, does anyone know how to do that in Ubuntu? -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From k7qo at commspeed.net Sun Jan 27 20:31:47 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:31:47 -0700 Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <200801271331.47438.k7qo@commspeed.net> My public thanks to Donn and his help on the bash equivalent of a C-shell syntax. for i in *jpg do mogrify $i jpeg2ps $i > ${i%jpg}ps ps2epsi ${i%jpg}ps done The above loop does the following for all jpg files convert from high res to 800x600 (I have an alias for mogrify) convert all the files.jpg to files.ps (they are now PostScript) convert all the files.ps to files.epsi (Encapsulated PostScript) done These are the reasons for Shells and typing. There is no GUI to do the above that I know of and no demand for same. :-) Again, my eternal gratitude for the help. ciao dude, Chuck -- Chuck Adams, K7QO k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 15:14:49 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:14:49 -0700 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <479DB86B.7080109@yahoo.it> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479A2C6B.4060106@yahoo.it> <479A752E.5020704@gmail.com> <479DB86B.7080109@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <479DF169.4020204@gmail.com> Ignazio Palmisano said the following at 01/28/2008 04:11 AM : >> The blurb for KMobileTools says: >> >> KDE application for controlling your mobile phone >> KMobileTools is a nice KDE application that allows you to control your >> mobile phone from your GNU/Linux PC. >> It's based on a Motorola C350 and C650, but it's also compatible with >> other mobile phones like Nokia, Ericsson and Siemens. >> >> ---- >> >> Which doesn't sound at all like what I am looking for. I don't want to >> control anything; I just want to be able send an SMS from the computer to >> people's phones. It doesn't seem right that it should matter what kind of >> phone they have, since SMS is SMS, regardless of the phone. > > One of the functions is to send a new sms, I've been using it for that > :) sorry if it has unneeded functions > I. > But the text says that it's a way to control MY phone. I don't see the point of that: 1. If the phone has to be connected the computer, it would be a whole lot faster just to send the message from the phone directly 2. I have no mobile signal in my basement, where the computer is. (3. I also don't know how to connect the phone to the computer; I bet it needs special cables or something, which are doubtless expensive.) I wish I had started this topic simply by asking what command people put in the "SMS Text" configuration of Kontact. In fact, I thought at the time that the question I asked was equivalent to that question, but I guess it wasn't. :-( Doc From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 15:23:25 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:23:25 +0200 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <200801271331.47438.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <200801271331.47438.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <200801281723.25656.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > These are the reasons for Shells and typing. There is no GUI > to do the above that I know of and no demand for same. :-) Bigtime :D > Again, my eternal gratitude for the help. No worries, glad I had made a note of those tricks in my 'little black book' because the Flying Spaghetti Monster knows that my memory is still in alpha development! (and my Forgettery is on version 25). \d From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 18:27:59 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:27:59 -0500 Subject: How does one download vids from... Message-ID: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> Well, been watch the political debates, and saw some videos, on youtube, how can one download a video from there? is there a simple addon ? or application to use ? Thanks - Richard From kassube at gmx.net Mon Jan 28 18:28:37 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:28:37 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: <3dde113c0801261113o7f7e8de9se43ffaaa055e8db1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281928.38004.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > My file is called /home/bin/slowcd.sh > These lines are in it: > #!/bin/bash > setcd -x 1 > > name:Quiet DVD and I have an exclamation point in a star as the icon. > command: /home/bin/slowcd.sh > > checked enable launch feedback > checked run in terminal. Hmm, that looks a bit strange to me. In a previous mail you wrote your command was "~/slowcd.txt". I suppose you changed the command name and you made a directory "bin" due to suggestions in this thread. Where did you make that directory? Is it really in "/home"? If you made it in your home directory, the file would rather be "/home/douglas/bin/slowcd.sh" (if your login name is douglas). Please check with ls that you use the correct path for the script and that it is executable. It should look like this: ls -l /home/douglas/bin/slowcd.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 douglas douglas 23 Jan 28 19:16 /home/douglas/bin/slowcd.sh Other than that, I would suggest you use the entire path for the setcd command, i.e. make your script like this: #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/setcd -x 1 I think that might even work, if you use the command directly at the menu entry. If it still doesn't work, do you see any error message in the terminal which should pop up when you select the menu entry? If the terminal closes too fast, you could append a command like "sleep 20" at the end of your script. Then the terminal would stay opened for 20 seconds so you could see messages from the script. Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 18:41:35 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:41:35 +0200 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801282041.35317.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > how can one download a video from there? I use a Firefox plugin called "Fast Video Download" works quite well. \d -- Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt. -- H L Mencken Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 18:51:22 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:51:22 -0500 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 28, 2008 1:27 PM, Richard wrote: > Well, been watch the political debates, and saw some videos, on youtube, > how can one download a video from there? > > is there a simple addon ? or application to use ? > > > > Thanks - > Richard > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hi Richard, I use Greasemonkey on Firefox, combined with this script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12119 Hope this helps. --Rob (Kubuntu user and damn proud of it) -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. 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I like it. http://basket.kde.org/ -- Koki From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 20:05:06 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:05:06 -0500 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281505.06256.cms0009@gmail.com> On Monday 28 January 2008 1:51:22 pm Robert Menes wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008 1:27 PM, Richard wrote: > > Well, been watch the political debates, and saw some videos, on youtube, > > how can one download a video from there? > > > > is there a simple addon ? or application to use ? > > > > > > > > Thanks - > > Richard > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Hi Richard, > > I use Greasemonkey on Firefox, combined with this script: > > http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12119 > > Hope this helps. > > --Rob > (Kubuntu user and damn proud of it) Thought that might be a way with Firefox, damm, been trying to do everything in Konqueror, it would appear, its a Firefox world... Richard From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 20:31:01 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:31:01 +0100 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: <200801281928.38004.kassube@gmx.net> References: <3dde113c0801261113o7f7e8de9se43ffaaa055e8db1@mail.gmail.com> <200801281928.38004.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Jan 28, 2008 7:28 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > My file is called /home/bin/slowcd.sh > > These lines are in it: > > #!/bin/bash > > setcd -x 1 > > > > name:Quiet DVD and I have an exclamation point in a star as the icon. > > command: /home/bin/slowcd.sh > > > > checked enable launch feedback > > checked run in terminal. > > Hmm, that looks a bit strange to me. In a previous mail you wrote your > command was "~/slowcd.txt". I suppose you changed the command name and > you made a directory "bin" due to suggestions in this thread. Where did > you make that directory? Is it really in "/home"? If you made it in your > home directory, the file would rather be "/home/douglas/bin/slowcd.sh" > (if your login name is douglas). Please check with ls that you use the > correct path for the script and that it is executable. It should look > like this: > > ls -l /home/douglas/bin/slowcd.sh > -rwxr-xr-x 1 douglas douglas 23 Jan 28 19:16 /home/douglas/bin/slowcd.sh > > Other than that, I would suggest you use the entire path for the setcd > command, i.e. make your script like this: > > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/setcd -x 1 > > I think that might even work, if you use the command directly at the menu > entry. > > If it still doesn't work, do you see any error message in the terminal > which should pop up when you select the menu entry? If the terminal > closes too fast, you could append a command like "sleep 20" at the end of > your script. Then the terminal would stay opened for 20 seconds so you > could see messages from the script. > > Nils OK, I feel dumb now, but it is working. Guess that is what happens to a mind when you have a 10 day old baby. LOL I love that 20 second thing. Thanks, I did forget my name! Douglas From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 20:36:48 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:36:48 -0500 Subject: Threading issue Message-ID: <200801281536.48812.cms0009@gmail.com> I can thread message, within Kmail... However, there seems to be a issue, in doing this. Message are threaded, and I can see new threads added to older messages, however, some of those threads, are 3 months old, and I must scroll down allot to see, if there are any new post to old threads.( messages that are not being watch), this is very time consuming. How do I make kmail, keep all threads(new replies) on top in the message view, with the new current messages.. Like Outlook does.(oops)(but keeps the Whole thread together) TIA Richard From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:26:11 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:26:11 -0500 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: <200801281505.06256.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801281505.06256.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try Videodownloader - http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php -- "Google HR wants to hire the smartest people still dumb enough to be working for somebody else." - Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 23:12:01 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:12:01 -0700 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? Message-ID: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> Stupid question: how do I find out which package contains the man page for getaddrinfo()? Doc From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 23:17:16 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:17:16 -0500 Subject: Will Hardy alpha 4 includes a KDE4 CD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bed467e0801281517w4c156dfao1af03851beef2757@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 2:14 AM, Mark Farnell wrote: > Thanks! However is Hardy Alpha 4 going to include a KDE4 liveCD / > alternative CD? This would help us to test the KDE4!!! > > Mark I am not sure about Hardy Alpha 4. Maybe someone else on this list can answer that question. Also, it might be on the Kubuntu website. kubuntu.org Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 29 00:03:29 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:03:29 -0500 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? In-Reply-To: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> References: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281903.29773.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 28 January 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > Stupid question: how do I find out which package contains the man page for > getaddrinfo()? I don't know how to find out which package it's in, but I have that manpage, and an educated guess says it might be in this one: manpages-posix-dev -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 29 00:05:48 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:05:48 -0500 Subject: Threading issue In-Reply-To: <200801281536.48812.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801281536.48812.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281905.48962.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 28 January 2008, Richard wrote: > allot to see, if there are any new post to old threads.( messages that are > not being watch), this is very time consuming. I don't know how to do what you want. How I handle this myself, when I've read everything at the top, I hit keypad + to jump down yonder wherever the next stray thread bit is, and continue in that fashion until I'm out of messages. It's a lot more efficient than scrolling around trying not to miss something. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jan 29 00:10:42 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:10:42 -0600 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: <200801281505.06256.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801281505.06256.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479E6F02.4050406@swbell.net> Richard wrote: > On Monday 28 January 2008 1:51:22 pm Robert Menes wrote: > >> On Jan 28, 2008 1:27 PM, Richard wrote: >> >>> Well, been watch the political debates, and saw some videos, on youtube, >>> how can one download a video from there? >>> >>> is there a simple addon ? or application to use ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks - >>> Richard >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> Hi Richard, >> >> I use Greasemonkey on Firefox, combined with this script: >> >> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12119 >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> --Rob >> (Kubuntu user and damn proud of it) >> > > Thought that might be a way with Firefox, > damm, been trying to do everything in Konqueror, > it would appear, its a Firefox world... > > Richard > > > I use "Download Helper" in Firefox. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Tue Jan 29 00:11:01 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:11:01 -0500 Subject: Command line stuff from Kmenu In-Reply-To: References: <200801281928.38004.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200801281911.01952.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Monday 28 January 2008, Knapp wrote: > OK, I feel dumb now, but it is working. Guess that is what happens to > a mind when you have a 10 day old baby. LOL Have heart. You'll sleep again in about two years. -- D. Michael McIntyre From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Jan 29 01:21:20 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:21:20 -0500 Subject: Threading issue In-Reply-To: <200801281905.48962.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200801281536.48812.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801281905.48962.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200801282021.20846.d.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 28 January 2008 7:05:48 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 28 January 2008, Richard wrote: > > allot to see, if there are any new post to old threads.( messages that > > are not being watch), this is very time consuming. > > I don't know how to do what you want. How I handle this myself, when I've > read everything at the top, I hit keypad + to jump down yonder wherever the > next stray thread bit is, and continue in that fashion until I'm out of > messages. It's a lot more efficient than scrolling around trying not to > miss something. Why not just change the "order of arrival" so that the newest messages are on top of the thread? -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Jan 29 02:06:30 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:06:30 -0500 Subject: Threading issue In-Reply-To: <200801282021.20846.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200801281536.48812.cms0009@gmail.com> <200801281905.48962.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200801282021.20846.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200801282106.30895.d.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 28 January 2008 8:21:20 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Monday 28 January 2008 7:05:48 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > On Monday 28 January 2008, Richard wrote: > > > allot to see, if there are any new post to old threads.( messages that > > > are not being watch), this is very time consuming. > > > > I don't know how to do what you want. How I handle this myself, when > > I've read everything at the top, I hit keypad + to jump down yonder > > wherever the next stray thread bit is, and continue in that fashion until > > I'm out of messages. It's a lot more efficient than scrolling around > > trying not to miss something. > > Why not just change the "order of arrival" so that the newest messages are > on top of the thread? Sorry, I tried after I replied and it doesn't work this way. It moves the whole thread and doesn't reverse the order of the messages under the message that started the thread. -- David M. From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Jan 28 18:21:33 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:21:33 +0100 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <200801280052.33305.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <479CF17C.5020103@gmail.com> <200801280052.33305.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801281921.33899.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 28 January 2008 00:52, lanzen wrote: > On Sunday 27 January 2008 22:02:52 D. R. Evans wrote: > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole point of that little "(SMS)" that > > appears next to the mobile number. But if so, I can't imagine what else > > it might be intended for. > > Well, we should ask to whoever wrote the code. ;) > > I think there's a how-to here: > http://forum.swisslinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1 It's in french, and, as far > as I understand it, you need some provider to send to once you get the > script going. Is that right? > Probably. I tried to have a quick look on that forum but I don't know to what part you are referring. First mail (for Fedora) is about using the mobile on USB port for sending. Another mail (from OdyX): The guy modified a script " smssend" (that connects you to the different sms portals) to connect to the "Xtra-Zone de Swisscom". He starts by saying he can just click on the phone number from Kontact to send sms's while using the credits he has on "Xtra-Zone", but later says it is free (as in beer) to send?? He also has no confirmation from KMail that the message has been sent. :'( Still another mail (by nicolili23) is about installing a mobile swisscom card (as the header says) or install, one unlimited mobile (in the text)... not sure I understand what they mean (usb?) Well I'm not goint to read all the messages. It seems clear that either you use your mobile to send or go through a provider that will bridge internet and mobile system, and both options probably exist. If you submitt a more precise text, I'm willing to help translating from french (if I can find the time) Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #56: Electricians made popcorn in the power supply From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 29 02:56:16 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:56:16 -0500 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479E95D0.3060809@sbcglobal.net> Richard wrote: > Well, been watch the political debates, and saw some videos, on youtube, > how can one download a video from there? > > is there a simple addon ? or application to use ? > > > > Thanks - > Richard > > I heard there's a program called Automatix2 that might work. Saw it on a forum one day. Don't know for sure though. From sgrace at pobox.com Tue Jan 29 04:49:28 2008 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:49:28 -0800 Subject: How does one download vids from... In-Reply-To: <479E95D0.3060809@sbcglobal.net> References: <200801281327.59714.cms0009@gmail.com> <479E95D0.3060809@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1201582168.21519.0.camel@localhost> I missed this thread previously. Here's what I use, in case it hasn't already been suggested: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ Steve On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 21:56 -0500, Steven Vollom wrote: > Richard wrote: > > Well, been watch the political debates, and saw some videos, on youtube, > > how can one download a video from there? > > > > is there a simple addon ? or application to use ? > > > > > > > > Thanks - > > Richard > > > > > I heard there's a program called Automatix2 that might work. Saw it on > a forum one day. Don't know for sure though. > From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jan 29 06:46:24 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:46:24 +1100 Subject: Cinelerra on Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn Message-ID: <479ECBC0.4020705@wilddsl.net.au> Hi, Has anyone successfully installed Cinelerra on Feisty ? I've tried a package from the community website http://cv.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu I added the athlonxp deb package by Jure Cuhalev to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cinelerra.list and then used Adept to successfully install it. Running cinelerra from konsole prints some version info then "Illegal instruction (core dumped)" and stops. My processor is 32-bit, maybe this is the problem. I will uninstall and try the i386 package... Regards, Anton. From jussi01 at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 07:12:54 2008 From: jussi01 at gmail.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:12:54 +0200 Subject: Cinelerra on Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn In-Reply-To: <479ECBC0.4020705@wilddsl.net.au> References: <479ECBC0.4020705@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: On Jan 29, 2008 8:46 AM, Anton Rolls wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone successfully installed Cinelerra on Feisty ? > > I've tried a package from the community website > http://cv.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu > I added the athlonxp deb package by Jure Cuhalev > to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cinelerra.list > and then used Adept to successfully install it. > Running cinelerra from konsole prints some version > info then "Illegal instruction (core dumped)" > and stops. > > My processor is 32-bit, maybe this is the problem. > I will uninstall and try the i386 package... > Yeah, Id say thats the issue, 64 bit packages dont really like 32 bit environments :D > Regards, > > Anton. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Jussi From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Jan 29 07:35:44 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:35:44 +0200 Subject: building packages from hardy source for gutsy In-Reply-To: <200801281647.10351.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <200801281647.10351.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200801290935.44935.dgvirtual@akl.lt> On Monday 28 January 2008 16:47:10 Donatas G. rašė: > The way I usually do it is this: > > add the deb-src for hardy to /etc/apt/sources.list > do > apt-get update > then do > apt-get source kdesudo > which would set up the sources for me. > > And then - the usual > > cd kdesudo > sudo apt-get build-dep kdesudo > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b > cd ../ > sudo dpkg -i kdesudo*.deb > > However, I have seen in some howto the manual way of doing this - so that I > would not have to apt-get source the package (and change the sources > repositories to hardy if I still need gutsy once in a while). > > What is the command to execute that sets up the sources, once I have > downloaded the appropriate > kdesudo*.tar.gz > kdesudo*.diff.gz > kdesudo*.dsc > files? I found the answer to this one. it is: $ dpkg-source -x kdesudo_2.1-0ubuntu1.dsc and the sources are set up correctly. What about the more automatic way with "apt-get source -t distribution packagename" option? > I do also remember (from the old time I used debian) that apt is capable of > using the specified release version of the packages to download (or > install) using the -t releaseversion option. But I have to set up apt-get > to do that as well as adding the proper repositories. This would be even > more convenient than the above thing, does anyone know how to do that in > Ubuntu? -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jan 29 07:54:50 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:54:50 +1100 Subject: Cinelerra on Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn In-Reply-To: <479ECBC0.4020705@wilddsl.net.au> References: <479ECBC0.4020705@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <479EDBCA.5030708@wilddsl.net.au> I wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone successfully installed Cinelerra on Feisty ? > > I've tried a package from the community website > http://cv.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu > I added the athlonxp deb package by Jure Cuhalev > to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cinelerra.list > and then used Adept to successfully install it. > Running cinelerra from konsole prints some version > info then "Illegal instruction (core dumped)" > and stops. > > My processor is 32-bit, maybe this is the problem. > I will uninstall and try the i386 package... > > Regards, > > Anton. I've tried 3 other packages as well and they all core dump the same way. These are all the packages I've tried so far: optimised for UbuntuStudio, with OpenGL, by Valentina Messeri: deb http://giss.tv/~vale/ubuntuopengl/ ./ for i386, by muzzol: deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~muzzol/cinelerra/feisty-i386/ ./ for i686, by Jure Cuhalev: deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cinelerra/i686/ ./ for athlonxp, by Jure Cuhalev: deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./ I'll try asking on the cinelerra mailing list. Anton. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 08:08:22 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:08:22 +0100 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <200801281921.33899.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <200801280052.33305.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200801281921.33899.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200801290908.22647.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 28 January 2008 19:21:33 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > I tried to have a quick look on that forum but I don't know to what part > you are referring. Sorry, the last bit got cut off. Here is the full link: http://forum.swisslinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=11858 > Another mail (from OdyX): The guy modified a script " smssend" (that > connects you to the different sms portals) to connect to  the "Xtra-Zone > de Swisscom". I think this is the one. I just did a "kontact sms" search in google and that was one of the results. > It seems clear that either you use your mobile to send or go through a > provider that will bridge internet and mobile system, and both options > probably exist. Yes, these seem to be the ways to get it going. I have a Nokia N70 and tried different ways to get it to communicate with kubuntu, but besides succeeding in getting a connection through KPPP and doing some little data exchange on bluetooth, nothing else worked even with kmobiletools. The mobilenumber at sms.provider.com used to worksome time ago, but I have not tried that recently. It's much easier to simply compose a message on the mobile. -- lanzen From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Tue Jan 29 09:50:32 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:50:32 +0100 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? References: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bq75j6zb.fsf@fjellstad.org> "D. R. Evans" writes: > Stupid question: how do I find out which package contains the man page > for getaddrinfo()? Use apt-file. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 29 01:19:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:19:32 -0400 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? References: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1619761.iaIaqDM5S8@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > Stupid question: how do I find out which package contains the man page for > getaddrinfo()? dlocate is useful. Of course, then you need to know that dlocate is in dlocate :-) otoh, I don't have "man getaddrinfo" on my system, so if I thought it was correct, I'd go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for it. -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 15:39:25 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:39:25 -0700 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? In-Reply-To: <200801281903.29773.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> <200801281903.29773.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <479F48AD.50602@gmail.com> D. Michael McIntyre said the following at 01/28/2008 05:03 PM : > On Monday 28 January 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > >> Stupid question: how do I find out which package contains the man page for >> getaddrinfo()? > > I don't know how to find out which package it's in, but I have that manpage, > and an educated guess says it might be in this one: > > manpages-posix-dev > Great. Yes, that was it, thank you very much. However, I wonder exactly how I could have found this out without recourse to asking the reflector (and relying on your intelligent guesswork)... John L Fjellstad said the following at 01/29/2008 02:50 AM : > > Use apt-file. > How? I have installed apt-file, but I don't see how it helps. The apt-file man page leads me to believe that "apt-file search getaddrinfo" ought to be helpful, but it's not :-( It returns nothing: ---- [H:~] apt-file search getaddrinfo [H:~] ---- Derek Broughton said the following at 01/28/2008 06:19 PM : > dlocate is useful. Of course, then you need to know that dlocate is in > dlocate :-) So what command would find the package that contains the getaddrinfo man page for me? I'm not trying to be denser than usual; I really can't guess. > otoh, I don't have "man getaddrinfo" on my system, so if I thought it was > correct, I'd go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for it. For my edification, what would you search for there? I had tried that (and just tried it again), and I couldn't guess what I might want to search for. (And I'm not also sure what you mean by "if I thought it was correct"; if you thought what was correct?) Doc From kassube at gmx.net Tue Jan 29 16:12:17 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:12:17 +0100 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? In-Reply-To: <479F48AD.50602@gmail.com> References: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> <200801281903.29773.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479F48AD.50602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801291712.17081.kassube@gmx.net> D. R. Evans wrote: > The apt-file man page leads me to believe that "apt-file search > getaddrinfo" ought to be helpful, but it's not :-( It returns nothing: You need sudo apt-file update before you can search. Nils From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jan 29 16:26:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:26:28 -0400 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN Message-ID: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> I am getting really tired of Kubuntu overriding my preferences. Once again, it has become impossible for me to get archives to open embedded in konqueror via the kio slave, without manually entering tar: or zip: urls. Once upon a time, the simple solution was to delete the desktop files from ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application/, but this isn't helping. The Konqueror file associations say to open in "embedded viewer". Any clues? -- derek From fsunoles at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 16:53:45 2008 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:53:45 -0700 Subject: Keyboard mapping for VAX Message-ID: <75db45220801290853w6f47ac40q4b4f402c71c18769@mail.gmail.com> A colleague lost some functionality upgrading from 7.04 (or maybe 6.10) to 7.10. I just spoke with her and she said when logged on to a VAX machine the / key on the keypad used to bring up a VAX menu that would add additional functionality to the other keypad keys. She showed me the menu can be brought up now with F2, but would like it the way it was. From spwhite at freesurf.ch Tue Jan 29 16:57:14 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:57:14 +0100 Subject: SMS? In-Reply-To: <200801290908.22647.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <479A224E.2010109@gmail.com> <200801281921.33899.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200801290908.22647.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801291757.14419.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Tuesday 29 January 2008 09:08, lanzen wrote: > On Monday 28 January 2008 19:21:33 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > I tried to have a quick look on that forum but I don't know to what part > > you are referring. > > Sorry, the last bit got cut off. Here is the full link: > > http://forum.swisslinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=11858 > > > Another mail (from OdyX): The guy modified a script " smssend" (that > > connects you to the different sms portals) to connect to  the "Xtra-Zone > > de Swisscom". > > I think this is the one. I just did a "kontact sms" search in google and > that was one of the results. Indeed. I have already translated most of it, that is not in english. :) I belive you can figure out the rest, many words are +/- alike. fbianco warns about not adding "linefeeds" as you cut&paste. N.B. I never had a mobile and don't want any. As Sacha Guitry said: "One rings you and you rush!" "on vous sonne et vous accourez!" Perry -- BOFH excuse #103: operators on strike due to broken coffee machine From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 18:16:44 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:16:44 +0300 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN In-Reply-To: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <479F6D8C.1020102@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > I am getting really tired of Kubuntu overriding my preferences. > > Once again, it has become impossible for me to get archives to open embedded > in konqueror via the kio slave, without manually entering tar: or zip: > urls. Once upon a time, the simple solution was to delete the desktop > files from ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application/, but this isn't helping. > > The Konqueror file associations say to open in "embedded viewer". > > Any clues? > doesn't deleting /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application/* helps? From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Tue Jan 29 18:17:58 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:17:58 +0000 Subject: Messages on shutting down Message-ID: <200801291817.58966.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> Whenever I shutdown this computer (Kubuntu 7.10) before the splash screen appears, I get a screenfull of messages. Are these messages logged anywhere so I can read them when I next boot up and find out what's causing them in the first place? From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 18:33:10 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:33:10 -0500 Subject: dvd playback? Message-ID: <2759cf860801291033n7fe013d5o446f46496d137523@mail.gmail.com> I'm a regular netflix customer. I literally go through 6-10 movies a week. Every so often, I come across some movies that just won't play under Kaffiene - or they will play up to a certain point. (Imagine getting to all but the last 20 minutes of a movie and having it refuse to play after that.) I'm wondering if anyone else has run into this and, if so, what can be done about this? Any thoughts? Jared From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 18:54:26 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:54:26 -0500 Subject: dvd playback? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860801291033n7fe013d5o446f46496d137523@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860801291033n7fe013d5o446f46496d137523@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 29, 2008 1:33 PM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > I'm a regular netflix customer. I literally go through 6-10 movies a > week. Every so often, I come across some movies that just won't play > under Kaffiene - or they will play up to a certain point. (Imagine > getting to all but the last 20 minutes of a movie and having it refuse > to play after that.) I'm wondering if anyone else has run into this > and, if so, what can be done about this? > > Any thoughts? > > I have never had that issue, but usually I use mplayer. You might give it a try. l8r, Mike -- "Google HR wants to hire the smartest people still dumb enough to be working for somebody else." - Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However if you wish to keep up-to-date remember to run: "sudo prevu-update" Once all is prepared do: prevu packageName And it will make a Gutsy chroot and install all necessary dependencies to build and when it's all done building the package, it will delete the chroot (doesn't require any development stuff installed on your system) and dump the new debs in /var/cache/prevu/gutsy-debs/ for your installing leisure. Hope this helps, Jonathan -- Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 19:42:43 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:42:43 +0200 Subject: Messages on shutting down In-Reply-To: <200801291817.58966.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200801291817.58966.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801292142.43847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> >Are these messages logged anywhere > so I can read them when I next boot up and find out what's causing them in > the first place? You can try: /var/log/messages Poke around in /var/log too \d -- He has Van Gogh's ear for music. -- Billy Wilder Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 21:50:54 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:50:54 +0100 Subject: System not accessible after installation of Kubuntu. Message-ID: <479F9FBE.5090808@gmail.com> Hello everybody At present, I am installing Kubuntu 7.10 on a 2nd computer, a laptop. I have run through the whole installation procedure. Than, something strange happens at the first attempt to access the computer after installation. I simply can't get in, because of password and username problems. When installing, I have set exactly the same simple password and username words as the ones I work with on the other PC where I already work with Kubuntu 7.10. However it may be, every attempt to get the password-username combination accepted, has failed so far. Every time, I get the message 'login failed'. I also tried to do the console login, ALT+N. This does option does not work neither. The only thing I managed to do properly so far is to use the SHUT DOWN function :-), ALT+S. Because I can't access the system, everything at the laptop stagnates now. What would you advise me to do next? Reinstalling Kubuntu? If so, how can I prevent the same password-username problem from coming back? Or is there any other smart bypass to eliminate the problem without reinstalling everything? I would highly appreciate your feedback.... Greetings. Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** From ged.byrom at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 29 22:34:56 2008 From: ged.byrom at ntlworld.com (Ged) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:34:56 +0000 Subject: System not accessible after installation of Kubuntu. Message-ID: <479FAA10.8090609@ntlworld.com> I had this problem once. The keyboard wasn't typing o when i was trying to enter the password. That was on a laptop. So just check that you are getting asterisks as you type. Hope this helps Ged From karlok at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 30 02:03:05 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:03:05 -0800 Subject: System not accessible after installation of Kubuntu. In-Reply-To: <479F9FBE.5090808@gmail.com> References: <479F9FBE.5090808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479FDAD9.7030105@fastmail.fm> Bas Roufs wrote: > > What would you advise me to do next? Reinstalling Kubuntu? If so, how > can I prevent the same password-username problem from coming back? > Or is there any other smart bypass to eliminate the problem without > reinstalling everything? When you boot your laptop select recovery mode in the grub menu. This will boot you into a text console as the root user (i.e. super user). To check that you got the username right when you installed, enter the command 'ls /home'. To reset the password, enter the command 'passwd xx' where xx is your username. You will be prompted to enter a new password twice. Karl From karlok at fastmail.fm Wed Jan 30 02:35:27 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:35:27 -0800 Subject: System not accessible after installation of Kubuntu. In-Reply-To: <479FDAD9.7030105@fastmail.fm> References: <479F9FBE.5090808@gmail.com> <479FDAD9.7030105@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <479FE26F.8050306@fastmail.fm> Karl wrote: > Bas Roufs wrote: >> What would you advise me to do next? Reinstalling Kubuntu? If so, how >> can I prevent the same password-username problem from coming back? >> Or is there any other smart bypass to eliminate the problem without >> reinstalling everything? > > When you boot your laptop select recovery mode in the grub menu. This > will boot you into a text console as the root user (i.e. super user). > > To check that you got the username right when you installed, enter the > command 'ls /home'. > > To reset the password, enter the command 'passwd xx' where xx is your > username. You will be prompted to enter a new password twice. > > Karl > > P.S. To get into normal graphical mode, you can use the 'reboot' command, but it is faster to do '/sbin/init 2'. From stan10x10 at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 03:07:06 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:07:06 -0500 Subject: dvd playback? In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860801291033n7fe013d5o446f46496d137523@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0801291907l4636c5b3i2b6ba36a5016a9bf@mail.gmail.com> Depends on why they will not play. I recently moved from Atlanta to intensely rural south Ga.I now get 5 Frisbees to every playable disk. How the disks are treated and how long kept in circulation makes a big differences as do the practices of the regional shipping centers. Looks like I will be stopping service after years of good results. Uriah On Jan 29, 2008 1:54 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: > > > On Jan 29, 2008 1:33 PM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > > > I'm a regular netflix customer. I literally go through 6-10 movies a > > week. Every so often, I come across some movies that just won't play > > under Kaffiene - or they will play up to a certain point. (Imagine > > getting to all but the last 20 minutes of a movie and having it refuse > > to play after that.) I'm wondering if anyone else has run into this > > and, if so, what can be done about this? > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > I have never had that issue, but usually I use mplayer. You might give it > a try. > > l8r, > > Mike > -- > "Google HR wants to hire the smartest people still dumb enough to be > working for somebody else." - Steve > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 30 09:10:01 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:10:01 +0100 Subject: xpress 1200 ATI Message-ID: <47A03EE9.5000606@free.fr> I succeeded with envy to configure compiz-fusion on kubuntu 64 bits and then I could compile bespin theme too From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 10:13:06 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:13:06 +0100 Subject: System not accessible after installation of Kubuntu. SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <479FE26F.8050306@fastmail.fm> References: <479F9FBE.5090808@gmail.com> <479FDAD9.7030105@fastmail.fm> <479FE26F.8050306@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <47A04DB2.8000208@gmail.com> Hello Karl and Ged. Below you can see the set of ideas by means of which I managed to solve the problem. Thank you very much! Respectfully Yours, Bas. > >> When you boot your laptop select recovery mode in the grub menu. This >> will boot you into a text console as the root user (i.e. super user). >> >> To check that you got the username right when you installed, enter the >> command 'ls /home'. >> >> To reset the password, enter the command 'passwd xx' where xx is your >> username. You will be prompted to enter a new password twice. >> >> Karl >> >> >> > > P.S. To get into normal graphical mode, you can use the 'reboot' > command, but it is faster to do '/sbin/init 2'. > -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** From ged.byrom at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 30 13:01:34 2008 From: ged.byrom at ntlworld.com (Ged) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:01:34 +0000 Subject: System not accessible after installation of Kubuntu. SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <47A04DB2.8000208@gmail.com> References: <479F9FBE.5090808@gmail.com> <479FDAD9.7030105@fastmail.fm> <479FE26F.8050306@fastmail.fm> <47A04DB2.8000208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A0752E.3070902@ntlworld.com> Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Karl and Ged. > > Below you can see the set of ideas by means of which I managed to solve > the problem. Thank you very much! > > Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > > >>> When you boot your laptop select recovery mode in the grub menu. This >>> will boot you into a text console as the root user (i.e. super user). >>> >>> To check that you got the username right when you installed, enter the >>> command 'ls /home'. >>> >>> To reset the password, enter the command 'passwd xx' where xx is your >>> username. You will be prompted to enter a new password twice. >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >>> >>> >> P.S. To get into normal graphical mode, you can use the 'reboot' >> command, but it is faster to do '/sbin/init 2'. >> >> I tried that when it happened to me and it didn't work. But at least I found out why. DOH !!! Ged. From jjesse at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 14:52:30 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:52:30 -0500 Subject: help on login sound for KDE4 Message-ID: Good morning, I am having some difficulty in setting the volume for the login/startup sound in KDE4 which is really really loud. it appears my volume settings are not being saved upon shutdown. I have a Dell Latitude w/ the Intel Soundcard and I built AlSA by hand to get the sound to work under KDE3.5.Xif that matters. Thanks, Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mdwaps at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 15:43:19 2008 From: mdwaps at gmail.com (Manpreet Dhillon) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:43:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: xpress 1200 ATI In-Reply-To: GmailId117c9f812ed6034c Message-ID: <31624772.38091201707799555.JavaMail.flurry@web1> Is it an Board Integrated Graphic Solution? If yes then can you please explain the process! _____________________________ Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at: http://www.flurry.com --- Original Message --- Date: Wed Jan 30 01:12:37 PST 2008 From: Girard Henri To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: xpress 1200 ATI --- I succeeded with envy to configure compiz-fusion on kubuntu 64 bits and then I could compile bespin theme too -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 17:21:36 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:21:36 +0100 Subject: Linux drivers ACER Travelmate 2310 laptop. Message-ID: <47A0B220.1040505@gmail.com> Hello again Today, I finally managed to install Kubuntu 7.10 at my laptop: an ACER Travelmate 2310. When booting and accessing the laptop for the first time after installation (and after fixing the password problem), I saw a message on a few drivers necessary for the operation of Kubuntu on this laptop. There were only drivers available from the manufacturer, I read - not open source drivers that can all the time be bettered, security fixed, etc. One of these 2 drivers that have been mentioned, was a 'modem driver'. However, I do not manage to get back the exact text of that message; this complicates my attempts to properly handle this problem. When looking at the ACER website and giving in "Travelmate 2310" in the search window, I can only find Windows XP drivers for some specific functions of that laptop. Do you have any clue how I could get Linux equivalents? I am looking forward to a few answers from you. Thanks in advance. Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jan 30 17:27:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:27:01 -0400 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN References: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> <479F6D8C.1020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> I am getting really tired of Kubuntu overriding my preferences. >> >> Once again, it has become impossible for me to get archives to open >> embedded in konqueror via the kio slave, without manually entering tar: >> or zip: >> urls. Once upon a time, the simple solution was to delete the desktop >> files from ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application/, but this isn't helping. >> >> The Konqueror file associations say to open in "embedded viewer". >> >> Any clues? >> > doesn't deleting > /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application/* > helps? It did, thanks. I was trying to delete the wrong versions - my own copies, rather than the kubuntu-default-settings ones. Nevertheless, the problem remains - this is going to break again, next time somebody decides to update the kubuntu-default-settings package. It seems I can remove kubuntu-default-settings without losing anything else, but iirc it's been added in as a dependency of kubuntu-desktop before... I understand why this is default - but it's NOT what I want, and it really shouldn't be continually overriding my preferences. -- derek From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 17:40:12 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:40:12 -0500 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN In-Reply-To: <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> <479F6D8C.1020102@gmail.com> <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860801300940l1c0cf51fh10f9c08688b0aec1@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 30, 2008 12:27 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Alexander Smirnov wrote: > > > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I am getting really tired of Kubuntu overriding my preferences. > >> > >> Once again, it has become impossible for me to get archives to open > >> embedded in konqueror via the kio slave, without manually entering tar: > >> or zip: > >> urls. Once upon a time, the simple solution was to delete the desktop > >> files from ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application/, but this isn't helping. > >> > >> The Konqueror file associations say to open in "embedded viewer". > >> > >> Any clues? > >> > > doesn't deleting > > /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application/* > > helps? > > It did, thanks. I was trying to delete the wrong versions - my own copies, > rather than the kubuntu-default-settings ones. > > Nevertheless, the problem remains - this is going to break again, next time > somebody decides to update the kubuntu-default-settings package. It seems > I can remove kubuntu-default-settings without losing anything else, but > iirc it's been added in as a dependency of kubuntu-desktop before... > > I understand why this is default - but it's NOT what I want, and it really > shouldn't be continually overriding my preferences. Have you filed this as a bug on launchpad? From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Jan 30 17:13:19 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:13:19 +0100 Subject: Q: finding package that contains a man page? References: <479E6141.9090005@gmail.com> <200801281903.29773.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <479F48AD.50602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87fxwfs0cw.fsf@fjellstad.org> "D. R. Evans" writes: > John L Fjellstad said the following at 01/29/2008 02:50 AM : > >> >> Use apt-file. >> > > How? I have installed apt-file, but I don't see how it helps. > > The apt-file man page leads me to believe that "apt-file search > getaddrinfo" ought to be helpful, but it's not :-( It returns nothing: When I do apt-file search getaddrinfo, it returns 48 packages. Since this is a manpage, I would probably do something like apt-file search getaddrinfo.3, which gives me 18 packages. (The 3 means that the manpage is in section 3, which is the library calls section) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 18:20:13 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:20:13 +0100 Subject: Linux drivers ACER Travelmate 2310 laptop - more info available now, but problem not yet solved. Message-ID: <47A0BFDD.1050204@gmail.com> Hello everybody Less half an our after sending my previous message (see copy below), I found back the exact text of the information I was looking for: system settings >> tab ADVANCED >> Restricted drivers/ administrative mode. This delivers the following info: "Proprietary drivers are being used to make this computer properly. Proprietary drivers do not have public source code that Ubuntu developers are free to modify. They represent a risk to you, because they are only available on the types of computer chosen by the manufacturer, and security updates to them depend solely on the responsiveness of the manufacturer. Ubuntu cannot fix or improve these drivers. " At present, two of such 'proprietary drivers' are in use: * Atheros Hardware Access Layer (HAL) * Software modem driver. Do you know any possibility to replace these drivers by public source equivalents? Respectfully Yours, Bas. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Linux drivers ACER Travelmate 2310 laptop. Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:21:36 +0100 From: Bas Roufs To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Hello again Today, I finally managed to install Kubuntu 7.10 at my laptop: an ACER Travelmate 2310. When booting and accessing the laptop for the first time after installation (and after fixing the password problem), I saw a message on a few drivers necessary for the operation of Kubuntu on this laptop. There were only drivers available from the manufacturer, I read - not open source drivers that can all the time be bettered, security fixed, etc. One of these 2 drivers that have been mentioned, was a 'modem driver'. However, I do not manage to get back the exact text of that message; this complicates my attempts to properly handle this problem. When looking at the ACER website and giving in "Travelmate 2310" in the search window, I can only find Windows XP drivers for some specific functions of that laptop. Do you have any clue how I could get Linux equivalents? I am looking forward to a few answers from you. Thanks in advance. Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jan 30 18:39:29 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:39:29 -0600 Subject: Linux drivers ACER Travelmate 2310 laptop - more info available now, but problem not yet solved. In-Reply-To: <47A0BFDD.1050204@gmail.com> References: <47A0BFDD.1050204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A0C461.2020903@swbell.net> On 01/30/2008 Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello everybody > > Less half an our after sending my previous message (see copy below), > I > found back the exact text of the information I was looking for: > system settings >> tab ADVANCED >> Restricted drivers/ administrative > mode. This delivers the following info: > > "Proprietary drivers are being used to make this computer properly. > Proprietary drivers do not have public source code that Ubuntu > developers are free to modify. They represent a risk to you, because > they are only available on the types of computer chosen by the > manufacturer, and security updates to them depend solely on the > responsiveness of the manufacturer. Ubuntu cannot fix or improve > these > drivers. " > > At present, two of such 'proprietary drivers' are in use: > * Atheros Hardware Access Layer (HAL) > * Software modem driver. > > Do you know any possibility to replace these drivers by public source > equivalents? > > Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. I've got some of the same type stuff running on my computers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't worry about it. If I have to have it working, I have to have it working. Do I want my computer to work? That's the bottom line. Sure, open source drivers would be nice. But in the real world it ain't happenin'. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 19:42:59 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:42:59 +0100 Subject: Linux drivers ACER Travelmate 2310 laptop - more info available now, but problem not yet solved. In-Reply-To: <47A0BFDD.1050204@gmail.com> References: <47A0BFDD.1050204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801302042.59826.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:20:13 Bas Roufs wrote: > At present, two of such 'proprietary drivers' are in use: > * Atheros Hardware Access Layer (HAL) > * Software modem driver. If they work, keep'em and enjoy. Take your time to learn about linux and then, when you'll have reached more awareness, you may make your choices to what's better or not. Cheers, -- lanzen From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 30 23:19:25 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:19:25 +0100 Subject: xpress 1200 ATI In-Reply-To: <31624772.38091201707799555.JavaMail.flurry@web1> References: <31624772.38091201707799555.JavaMail.flurry@web1> Message-ID: <47A105FD.7030207@free.fr> yes it is an acer dual core and xpress 1200 Process is simple get "envy" and do all automatically... Choose in envy ATI card http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html But today the best but not the last : i downloaded mandriva 2008.1 beta 64 bits and it found the right driver and compiz-fusion plus kde4 !!! Manpreet Dhillon wrote: > Is it an Board Integrated Graphic Solution? If yes then can you please explain the process! > _____________________________ > Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at: http://www.flurry.com > > --- Original Message --- > Date: Wed Jan 30 01:12:37 PST 2008 > From: Girard Henri > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: xpress 1200 ATI > --- > > I succeeded with envy to configure compiz-fusion on kubuntu 64 bits > and then I could compile bespin theme too > > From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Jan 31 10:57:11 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:57:11 +0200 Subject: replacing crt screen Message-ID: <47A1A987.1040108@rmk.co.il> I have just had to replace our 17 inch crt screen with a different brand 17 inch crt. Q. Do I need to reconfigure Xorg or the Nvidia driver that is installed (the screen is a lot 'darker' than the original and the screen adjustments for brightness and contrast are both on maximum (that's the setting done by pressing the big button on the actual screen)? If so, what is the way to do it? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 12:43:36 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:43:36 +0200 Subject: replacing crt screen In-Reply-To: <47A1A987.1040108@rmk.co.il> References: <47A1A987.1040108@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200801311443.36978.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > (the screen is a lot 'darker' than the original and the screen There is a gamma-setting in the Kubuntu system settings that may help you there. Monitor & Display ->Colour & Gamma \d Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 31 14:21:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:21:44 -0400 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN References: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> <479F6D8C.1020102@gmail.com> <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> <2759cf860801300940l1c0cf51fh10f9c08688b0aec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11263441.t2TXbFSthU@cedar.serverforest.com> Jared Greenwald wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 12:27 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> I understand why this is default - but it's NOT what I want, and it >> really shouldn't be continually overriding my preferences. > > Have you filed this as a bug on launchpad? The problem is, it's not really a bug. aiui, it's done for a very good reason - when a kio slave crashes in konqueror, it brings down konqueror. This is obviously not good, and since the konqueror devs can't control what kio slaves you're using, it's reasonable that the default be to never use embedding. If I had a better idea for a way to handle this, I'd file a bug, but right now I'm just venting :-) -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jan 31 15:06:57 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:06:57 +0100 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN In-Reply-To: <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> <479F6D8C.1020102@gmail.com> <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200801311606.57886.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nevertheless, the problem remains - this is going to break again, next > time somebody decides to update the kubuntu-default-settings package. > It seems I can remove kubuntu-default-settings without losing anything > else, but iirc it's been added in as a dependency of kubuntu-desktop > before... > > I understand why this is default - but it's NOT what I want, and it > really shouldn't be continually overriding my preferences. How about a dirty trick? It worked for me somewhere else :) Make /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk a normal file, not a directory - and make it read only. Nils From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jan 31 15:31:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:31:54 -0400 Subject: archives not embedded in Konqueror AGAIN References: <1471397.q2sQmf2m8a@cedar.serverforest.com> <479F6D8C.1020102@gmail.com> <2061962.Oqz9pclmA1@cedar.serverforest.com> <200801311606.57886.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2839696.W9n9KINk3c@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Nevertheless, the problem remains - this is going to break again, next >> time somebody decides to update the kubuntu-default-settings package. >> It seems I can remove kubuntu-default-settings without losing anything >> else, but iirc it's been added in as a dependency of kubuntu-desktop >> before... >> >> I understand why this is default - but it's NOT what I want, and it >> really shouldn't be continually overriding my preferences. > > How about a dirty trick? It worked for me somewhere else :) > > Make /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk > a normal file, not a directory - and make it read only. I was thinking perhaps I should copy the corresponding files from /usr/share/mimelnk/application/ to the kubuntu-default-settings location, then I'd get prompted by apt whether to replace them when kubuntu-default-settings is updated - but that only works if they're tagged as config files in the package, and I don't know if that's true. -- derek From advertising at ourbuntu.com Thu Jan 31 18:42:50 2008 From: advertising at ourbuntu.com (advertising at ourbuntu.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:42:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: Looking for help, users and items listed. Message-ID: <3164.76.98.229.136.1201804970.squirrel@74.220.215.205> Hello Everyone, Please forgive me for posting to this group but I am not a fortune 500 company with deep pockets. 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If you would like to visit the site http://www.ourbuntu.com From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Thu Jan 31 18:55:48 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:55:48 +0000 Subject: Messages on shutting down In-Reply-To: <200801292142.43847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200801291817.58966.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> <200801292142.43847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801311855.49100.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Tuesday 29 January 2008 19:42:43 Donn wrote: > >Are these messages logged anywhere > > so I can read them when I next boot up and find out what's causing them > > in the first place? > > You can try: > /var/log/messages > Poke around in /var/log too > That didn't show much, but I managed to get some of the messages with a digital camera: Starting Clamav virus database updater freshclam Starting DirMngr dirmngr Starting NFS common utilities Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon... Starting NFS kernel daemon Starting internet superserver inetd Starting powernowd... Starting Samba daemons Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon avahi-daemon Starting DHCP D-Bus daemon dhcdbd Starting Bluetooth services Starting anac(h)ronistic cron anacron Starting deferred execution scheduler atd Starting periodic command scheduler crond Enabling additional executable binary formats binfmt-support Checking battery state... Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) Stopping K Display Manager: kdm I think they all have [ok] at the end too, which is what I would normally expect to see at start up and not shutting down.