From nadreck at palain.com Wed Oct 1 01:06:55 2008 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:06:55 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> Message-ID: <48E2CD2F.1000509@palain.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >>> On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> Network Printer (socket) >>>>> URI: socket://192.168.1.107:9100 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That is *exactly* what I see there. >>>> >>>> >>> All I can add is that print servers (and some printers) can be very fussy >>> beasts and sometimes it is required to turn everything off (to reset) and try >>> again. If someone in the stream gets upset, nothing is going to print >>> >> Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, >> but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be difficult. >> >> > Not necessarily so. > > I would like to reiterate: > > What exactly is the make and type of your printserver? > > Or are you printing to an etherprot that is integrated into your > printer? Afaik the 1020 is a cheap usb printer that does not have a > network connection. > > If I missed it, please forgive my ignorance. > > You also should try to connect the printer directly via usb, just for > testing. > > Doing this will rule out any problem that possibly is caused by your > printserver > > Kind regards > Eberhard > This is a home network that has both Linux and Windows machines. I purchased a TrendNet TE100-MP1U print server, which connects ot the printer via USB and to the network via an ethernet port. I assigned it the IP address of 192.168.1.107, and it is listening on port 9100. I can print to it from one of my Windows boxes just fine. I can ping the print server on 192.168.1.107, and it is definitely there. When I try to print from my Linux box using CUPS, it first says it is connecting to the server, and seems to do so successfully, then it gives an error message "Unable to write print data: Broken pipe" Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 A. Einstein--"God might be subtle, but He is never malicious." | "Albert! Stop telling God what to do!"--E. Fermi From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 01:21:01 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:21:01 -0400 Subject: spanish characters: inverted ? and ! Message-ID: <200809302121.01517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Any one know how to set this up consistently? On my wife's laptop the keyboard layout was default US and she could type an accented character by simply pressing the apostrophe key and then a letter, although cntrl+apostrophe and the letter would also work. I played around to find the inverted ? by changing to alt intl and intl. I finally went back to the default and after further playing I found that: right alt (pressed and released) followed by holding the left shift and pressing ? twice worked; it also worked for !. Tried the same on my desktop and it does not work. From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 01:28:22 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:28:22 -0400 Subject: spanish characters: inverted ? and ! In-Reply-To: <200809302121.01517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <200809302121.01517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200809302128.22378.gloonie@earthlink.net> To get the apostrophe key behavior, you can select the US alt-intl keyboard. Does that part work on your desktop? If so, right click on the keyboard icon and click on configure. Go to the advanced tab and scroll down to the "Compose Key" section. Check the one you want to use for the Compose key. for example, "Left Windows key". When you press the combination of the compose key-shift-1 (the exclamation point), you should get the upside down exclamation point. On my machine, I have to hold down Left Window Key and Shift, and click twice on the exclamation point. To get the question mark, do the same thing and double click the question mark. ¡Just like this! ¿The is a question? BTW, the compose key is independent of the international keyboard (so you can use it with the regular US keyboard to get the exclamation point.) HTH, Glenn On Tuesday 30 September 2008 21:21:01 Jesus Arocho wrote: > Any one know how to set this up consistently? On my wife's laptop the > keyboard layout was default US and she could type an accented character by > simply pressing the apostrophe key and then a letter, although > cntrl+apostrophe and the letter would also work. I played around to find > the inverted ? by changing to alt intl and intl. I finally went back to > the default and after further playing I found that: right alt (pressed and > released) followed by holding the left shift and pressing ? twice worked; > it also worked for !. Tried the same on my desktop and it does not work. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Millet hayatı tehlikeye maruz kalmayınca, savaş cinayettir -- M. Kemal Atatürk From ejviolet at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 02:13:08 2008 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DC2112.2090609@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <750637.85055.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sure > would like to > get a larger hard drive than 60gb too. I only have 30 now. > > Cordially, > Steven Some laptops, I don't remember which ones though, will only recognize a 30 GB hard drive at the max. Earl From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:46:14 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:46:14 +0200 Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: <864331.63164.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4565399.DS1gjYXzUR@cedar.serverforest.com> <864331.63164.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/30 Emanoil Kotsev : > Hello Derek, > > thank you for all the information. > > I think the Monitor->Setting thing is not perfect and is not working for me. May be I'm doing something wrong, which I doubt. > > That's why I'm writing here. > > > But how? this is my quesiton :-D sorry but you make me lough. I know that I have to use the kde system settings. After this dual display _is_not_ working. I hope my english is good enough to explain it. > > So may be tell me what and how I have to setup ot point me to a good manual, where I can read about. The things I found are not working. I wrote this here in the hope that kubuntu, as kde based and especially desktop oriented would be interested in this subject. > > Sorry if I insulted you somehow. It was not ment this way and most of all I do not complain. I share my experience and hope to learn from all of it. > > > kind regards > > The monitor settings from KDE has never worked for me and i use a dual setup to so i would try to start from a clean xorg.conf and manually add your settings. I have a nvidia card so i cant help you with the intel specific settings. / Jonas From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Oct 1 13:39:44 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:39:44 -0400 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48DD0B24.1010705@yahoo.it> <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 28, Pastor JW did say: > Best thing I have found for that is simply alfalfa tea! Even if one does not > like tea he'll soon like the effects! Besides the tea tastes good. Thanks for the tip... A quick web search and after several pages about growing roses (must be different thing called by same name right?) Found some info on healthy benefits. And reasonable price sale site... Decided it's worth a try. Thanks for the suggestion. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Oct 1 14:01:57 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:01:57 -0400 Subject: how can I change Krusader's font size in KDE??? In-Reply-To: References: <33770.4829209999$1222375911@news.gmane.org> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 30, Eberhard Roloff did say: > While Krusader is great, indeed, imho, emelfm and emelfm2 are also very > good GUI replacements for the "mc side of life". > > While the former is slighly more lightweight, the latter is much easier > to configure, especially in regard to the panel font size. > > Admittedly both are based on Gtk. Nevertheless I use them on KDE all the > time for the "very quick filemanager" view, when in GUI mood. Thanks for the suggestion Eberhard... One of the things I love about linux is that there are usually more ways to skin a cat than there are cats ;-) Actually though I found out how to get krusader set up the way I need it, configured it's shortcuts to my liking, and replicated this in 3 distributions installed on both my laptop and my desktop... So I think (since I'm already fond of it) I'll stick with krusader. Actually I still use mc, but now I use krusader for most user level file management. And when I need a root shell I sudo mc which means that anytime I cycle through my windows and land inside the distinctive mc konsole interface, I now immediately lift my hands off the keyboard and think about what I'm about to do with it before I continue... (Always a good idea when you switch to a root shell.) Before Krusader, I had so many user mc shells open so much of the time that I sometimes started to use a root mc session for user land stuff... Now it's all so much better (safer too) ! -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 1 14:09:07 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:09:07 +0200 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48E2CD2F.1000509@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> <48E2CD2F.1000509@palain.com> Message-ID: Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: >> >>> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> >>>> On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Network Printer (socket) >>>>>> URI: socket://192.168.1.107:9100 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> That is *exactly* what I see there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> All I can add is that print servers (and some printers) can be very fussy >>>> beasts and sometimes it is required to turn everything off (to reset) and try >>>> again. If someone in the stream gets upset, nothing is going to print >>>> >>> Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, >>> but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be difficult. >>> >>> >> Not necessarily so. >> >> I would like to reiterate: >> >> What exactly is the make and type of your printserver? >> >> Or are you printing to an etherprot that is integrated into your >> printer? Afaik the 1020 is a cheap usb printer that does not have a >> network connection. >> >> If I missed it, please forgive my ignorance. >> >> You also should try to connect the printer directly via usb, just for >> testing. >> >> Doing this will rule out any problem that possibly is caused by your >> printserver >> >> Kind regards >> Eberhard >> > This is a home network that has both Linux and Windows machines. I > purchased a TrendNet TE100-MP1U print server, which connects ot the > printer via USB and to the network via an ethernet port. I assigned it > the IP address of 192.168.1.107, and it is listening on port 9100. I can > print to it from one of my Windows boxes just fine. I can ping the print > server on 192.168.1.107, and it is definitely there. When I try to print > from my Linux box using CUPS, it first says it is connecting to the > server, and seems to do so successfully, then it gives an error message > "Unable to write print data: Broken pipe" > > Thank you, > This reminds me of my Dlink PSUS4 printserver. Prints greatly from Windows but does not print at all from Linux. (inspite of several documents from dlink). Actually there are dozens of forum posts that complain about its ability to print from linux. Did you install a driver from the manufacturer CD or from the Internet to make the printserver work from Windows? If so, chances are this is a cheapo model (I am just guessing here, never seen this model). Also if you google for TrendNet TE100-MP1U on google.com/linux you might find good advice. Kind regards Eberhard From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 19:23:56 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:23:56 +0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> <200809291117.51205.art.alexion@verizon.net> <880dece00809300053q440c0435gc2e7585f6d3d737e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810011223kef96dqc06317bbc81a6c04@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/30 Art Alexion : > The last time I looked into the ooo lists, they were such high volume > that it was difficult to keep up with them. Which one do you recommend? > I subscribe to users at openoffice.org and although it is high-volume, I find it to be worth the volume. I also learn a lot from reading other user's questions. > > Have you looked in /tmp $HOME and $HOME/Desktop? > > > No, yes and yes. I will have to check /tmp. Is this configurable? > For me they get saved in $HOME/PDF. I could not figure out how to configure that with the KDE printer tools. Maybe it's a CUPS setting. Start a new thread on it. > Its great when you are on a laptop and want to save something to be > printed later. > Or for sending files to be printed on another machine. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 1 19:39:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:39:44 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809301359.47291.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2008 10:50:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >> > On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> What a joke!  OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. >> > >> > You are either downloading enormously complex docs, or your machine >> > needs some >> > tuning. I didn't even have that issue with a PIII. >> >> As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 seconds >> >> > One thing that can really slow down OOo loading is too many extensions >> > loading >> > at once. You can actually install so many that it takes an hour for >> > the >> > app to start. I learned that the hard way. >> >> I haven't installed _any_. > > > Does it take as long if OOo is running already? That is, is it a app > loading or downloading issue? Well, it was 95 seconds _with_ OO already open, but I'm not sure if it would be slower from scratch. -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Oct 1 19:57:16 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:57:16 -0700 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809301359.47291.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 10:50:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>> On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>> As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 seconds > Well, it was 95 seconds _with_ OO already open, but I'm not sure if it would > be slower from scratch. Then there is something seriously wrong with your system. My machine is old. An AMD 2800+ admittedly OCed to 3200+, 2Gb of 2700 RAM and a 200Gb Sata drive. I built this machine 5 years ago. To open oowriter, navigate to my 17pg. document and open it, less than a minute. The document itself was opened almost instantly. I don't happen to have a 93 byte .csv to test with. However, I have used OOCalc a bit for some of my gaming. The resulting spreadsheets were a tad larger than 93 bytes. ;) Let me put this in complete perspective. I'm almost positive that my 10 year old PIII 667Mhz laptop w/256Mb of PC100 RAM might take 95 seconds from command-line to loading document. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 1 20:34:29 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:34:29 +0100 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809301359.47291.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48E3DED5.6000802@yahoo.it> Steve Lamb wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >>> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 10:50:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>>> On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>> As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 seconds > >> Well, it was 95 seconds _with_ OO already open, but I'm not sure if it would >> be slower from scratch. > > Then there is something seriously wrong with your system. My machine is > old. An AMD 2800+ admittedly OCed to 3200+, 2Gb of 2700 RAM and a 200Gb Sata > drive. I built this machine 5 years ago. To open oowriter, navigate to my > 17pg. document and open it, less than a minute. The document itself was > opened almost instantly. I don't happen to have a 93 byte .csv to test with. > However, I have used OOCalc a bit for some of my gaming. The resulting > spreadsheets were a tad larger than 93 bytes. ;) On my laptop, core duo 2ghz 2 gb ram, opening a 20k csv with OOo 3 beta takes 20 seconds; if OO is already open, about 3. The hard drive is not particularly fast, which I guess is the cause for most of the loading time. I. From mike.lvc06 at centrenet.co.uk Wed Oct 1 21:21:25 2008 From: mike.lvc06 at centrenet.co.uk (Mike L) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:21:25 +0000 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E3DED5.6000802@yahoo.it> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809301359.47291.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> <48E3DED5.6000802@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48E3E9D5.9070708@centrenet.co.uk> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Art Alexion wrote: >>>> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 10:50:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>>>> On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>>> As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 seconds >>> Well, it was 95 seconds _with_ OO already open, but I'm not sure if it would >>> be slower from scratch. >> Then there is something seriously wrong with your system. My machine is >> old. An AMD 2800+ admittedly OCed to 3200+, 2Gb of 2700 RAM and a 200Gb Sata >> drive. I built this machine 5 years ago. To open oowriter, navigate to my >> 17pg. document and open it, less than a minute. The document itself was >> opened almost instantly. I don't happen to have a 93 byte .csv to test with. >> However, I have used OOCalc a bit for some of my gaming. The resulting >> spreadsheets were a tad larger than 93 bytes. ;) This appears very strange, on my old 'test bed' a 500 meg Athlon with 256 ram, OOwriter 2.4 opens in 40secs and displays a 20pg doc in a further 7 secs. Mike L From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 23:28:26 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:28:26 -0400 Subject: spanish characters: inverted ? and ! In-Reply-To: <200809302128.22378.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200809302121.01517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200809302128.22378.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810011928.26878.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 21:28:22 Glenn R Williams wrote: ¡Ok, thanks! But on my system I found I have to select compose (alt-right) + 1 or compose + /. ¿?. Still somewhat of a mystery, keyboard perhaps? From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 2 00:11:26 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:11:26 -0400 Subject: How do I format a thumb drive in Kubuntu Hardy KDE 3.5.9 Message-ID: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> Meti info says that the thumb drive has only 25% of 1gb remaining; Dolphin says the drive is empty. Apparently it is nearly full, because when I try to put a 700mb file in it, it says it does not have room for it. TIA for any help. Steven From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 00:11:44 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:11:44 -0400 Subject: spanish characters: inverted ? and ! In-Reply-To: <200810011928.26878.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <200809302121.01517.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <200809302128.22378.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200810011928.26878.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810012011.44970.gloonie@earthlink.net> When you select Compose+1 do you have to also press the Shift key? BTW, I found that I had to press Compose+Shift+1, pressing 1 twice in succession to get the inverted exclamation point. Did you? Glenn On Wednesday 01 October 2008 19:28:26 Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2008 21:28:22 Glenn R Williams wrote: > > ¡Ok, thanks! But on my system I found I have to select compose (alt-right) > + 1 or compose + /. ¿?. Still somewhat of a mystery, keyboard perhaps? -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Bildiğin ayranı bilmediğin yoğurda değişme -- Atasöz From phantom21 at mindspring.com Thu Oct 2 01:19:03 2008 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:19:03 -0400 Subject: How do I format a thumb drive in Kubuntu Hardy KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810012119.04298.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 08:11:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > Meti info says that the thumb drive has only 25% of 1gb remaining; > Dolphin says the drive is empty. Apparently it is nearly full, because > when I try to put a 700mb file in it, it says it does not have room for > it. TIA for any help. > Steven A client of mine had the same complaint. When I looked at it I used the ls -la arguments so ALL the files, including the . (dot) files, which are normally invisible, become visible. Mark From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Thu Oct 2 02:45:27 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:45:27 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem Message-ID: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:33:01 -0700 From: Pastor JW Subject: Re: Printing problem To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Message-ID: <200809291933.01676.pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Monday 29 September 2008 6:50:54 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > >> > > Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, >> > > but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be >> > > difficult. >> > > > > Take a look in the error logs in /var/log/cups > I've never been able to make cups work in Linux. I have to save a document to a memory card, then remove the card and put it into the cardreader of the machine which has the printer attached and then sign into that computer and print it. Everyone tells me I have to have some sort of windows machine in my network in order to print so that is more off putting than not being able to print through my network. I have asked the question now on 18 maillists have 17,089 replies which tell me how to set up a windoze print server on my network and exactly zero replies on how to MAKE IT WORK where every one of my 8 machines run Linux. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < ? PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -- Just wondering here if you have used your browser to address CUPS via: http://localhost:631 Tom From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Oct 2 03:37:59 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:37:59 -0700 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 7:45:27 pm tom bell wrote: > Just wondering here if you have used your browser to address CUPS via: > http://localhost:631 Yes, I have but the laptop can not find the computer with the printer which is on the same router as the laptop. Neither can the other two wired desktops for that matter. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 04:22:27 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:22:27 -0400 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: <200809301530.11687.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <1222797946.8865.45.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200809301530.11687.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <1222921347.22171.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 15:30 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2008 11:05:46 am Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 09:29 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 September 2008 12:52:05 am Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > > I've suspected for a long time it might be the beginning stages of > > > > carpal tunnel, but by being careful how I use my hands (including > > > > avoiding the rodent as much as possible) I can avoid that numbness. > > > > Over time, most of the symptoms faded. And since I've developed a > > > > strong distrust of the medical system, I've never asked a doctor to > > > > check it out. > > > > > > Best thing I have found for that is simply alfalfa tea! Even if one does > > > not like tea he'll soon like the effects! Besides the tea tastes good. > > > > I bought one of those sliding shelf brackets which I mounted under the > > top of my computer desk. Now my mouse and hand using it is lower, and it > > really helps. Using a mouse on top of a desk is a killer for the wrist > > and arm. > > I have one of those as well! Actually my office is the most comfortable place > to sit in the house as everything is set to perfectly fit me! Which is good > as at times I spend 18 hours straight, right there! Carpal tunnel can be > relieved by having keyboards, chairs, armrests, and even the monitor set to > ergonomic height, thereby relieving a lot of strain. However, both my wife > and I avoided surgery for severe carpel tunnel, neither of us could hold a > cup of coffee in one hand, by use of alfalfa tea. Doctors ask us both how we > cured that problem without the surgery they thought was so necessary! They > are amazed at the difference. She works in an office as typist among other > things and she was suffering badly each day she worked on a keyboard, now > there is no problem. Thanks!! While an herbal tea discussion may be considered "OT" I'm glad to have that information! Every bit helps, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Oct 2 04:25:31 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:25:31 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200810020025.31931.mailinglist@endosquid.com> > on 18 maillists have 17,089 replies which tell me how to set up a windoze > print server on my network and exactly zero replies on how to MAKE IT WORK > where every one of my 8 machines run Linux. Here's how I did it: 1.) Set up CUPS on Linux comp connected to printer printer wizard under KDE works a champ for this 2.) Set up other clients to see CUPS server on your printer machine via, again, kde printer wizard. Honestly, those two steps worked fine for me, without dealing with CUPS directly. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 04:32:16 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:32:16 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <1222921936.22171.10.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 20:37 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 7:45:27 pm tom bell wrote: > > Just wondering here if you have used your browser to address CUPS via: > > http://localhost:631 > > Yes, I have but the laptop can not find the computer with the printer which is > on the same router as the laptop. Neither can the other two wired desktops > for that matter. You have all the localnet machines listed in /etc/hosts ?? You should at least be able to ping them all, to insure you have connectivity as your first test of your network. That's the old school method, I have three localnet machines and I do just that. Once everyone is happily pinging each other, either by IP address and/or machine hostnames, you should be good to go. If not, then you have merely a network problem. Just give each machine a static IP address/hostname, and note those addresses in your router config. It all should work. At that point CUPS should too. Trouble shooting with a shotgun here. But, it works for me(tm), :) But, if you have wireless machines, it gets stickier. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 10:05:16 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:05:16 +0200 Subject: How do I format a thumb drive in Kubuntu Hardy KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: 2008/10/2 Steven Vollom : > Meti info says that the thumb drive has only 25% of 1gb remaining; > Dolphin says the drive is empty. Apparently it is nearly full, because > when I try to put a 700mb file in it, it says it does not have room for > it. TIA for any help. > Steven > You can use the disk free "df -h" console command to see how much space you have on your mounted disks. And you can use the disk usage "du -sh /somedir" command to see how much space recursively that directories take up. / Jonas From linuxhippy at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 12:48:42 2008 From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:48:42 +0200 Subject: partman blocks installer in alpha6 Message-ID: <194f62550810020548o565d15b2nf61c0b6aa084e9f5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I tried installing "Intrepid Alpha 6" on my laptop however I had the following problems: 1. When booting directly in installation mode, X starts but then nothing happens and ubiquity comsumes 99% cpu. 2. When booting as live-cd I can start the installer, but after step 4 or 5 when the small dialog shortly appears (contains only progressbar I guess about partitioning), it also gets stuck. The installer does not respond to clicks anymore, but this time also no program creates heavy load. Top shows some "partman" processes started, so I guess it has to do something about partitioning. Any ideas what could be the reson for this, and how can I get more information about what goes wrong? Is this already a known problem? Thank you in advance, Clemens From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 13:37:43 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:37:43 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810020937.48601.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 3:57:16 pm Steve Lamb wrote: >  I don't happen to have a 93 byte .csv to test with. >  However, Derek, I have some docs I open from mounted network shares and files from them load almost instantaneously. Are you loading from http or unmounted smb? I'll give that a try as well. 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Are you loading from http or unmounted smb? > I'll give that a try as well. > > Also, are you opening from the OOo Open dialog, or by clicking the file in > konqueror? OK. I think I see what you are talking about. We have a windows server named python. I have its shares mounted at /mnt/python/. If I open a document from /mnt/python, it is almost instantaneous. If I try to open the same document from smb://rhd.org%5cart at python/ I have waited 5 minutes and still doesn't open. Both tests were done by clicking on the file in konqueror with no funning OOo. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 13:54:45 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: CUPS PDF where? Message-ID: <200810020954.45916.art.alexion@verizon.net> On all of my other *ubuntu machines, when I print using the CUPS PDF driver, it saves the PDF to ~/PDF/. On an eee-Ubuntu notebook, I can't find the files. Further, I can't find anywhere to set the save location. Anybody able to answer either of these questions? I think if I can get an answer to the second, the first becomes moot. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 2 13:55:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:55:24 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809301359.47291.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> <48E3DED5.6000802@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <2461863.gfH7mXNmbY@cedar.serverforest.com> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Art Alexion wrote: >>>> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 10:50:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>>>> On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>>>> As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 >>>>> seconds >> >>> Well, it was 95 seconds _with_ OO already open, but I'm not sure if it >>> would be slower from scratch. >> >> Then there is something seriously wrong with your system. No, there is something seriously wrong with (possibly only my) OpenOffice. Which is an entirely different thing. -- derek From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:02:18 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:02:18 +0200 Subject: CUPS PDF where? In-Reply-To: <200810020954.45916.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200810020954.45916.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810021602.18645.valtermura@gmail.com> Il giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 15:54:45 Art Alexion ha scritto: > On all of my other *ubuntu machines, when I print using the CUPS PDF > driver, it saves the PDF to ~/PDF/. On an eee-Ubuntu notebook, I can't > find the files. Further, I can't find anywhere to set the save location. > Anybody able to answer either of these questions? > > I think if I can get an answer to the second, the first becomes moot. Hi Art, have you tried to make a search with a search tool? If you print files in pdf, theys hould be in some place... Bye -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 14:03:58 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:03:58 -0400 Subject: CUPS PDF where? In-Reply-To: <200810020954.45916.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200810020954.45916.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810021003.58953.gloonie@earthlink.net> The configuration (I believe) is set in /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf The relevent section is: ########################################################################### # # # Path Settings # # # ########################################################################### ### Key: Out ## CUPS-PDF output directory ## special qualifiers: ## ${HOME} will be expanded to the user's home directory ## ${USER} will be expanded to the user name ## in case it is an NFS export make sure it is exported without ## root_squash! ### Default: /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER} Out ${HOME}/PDF Note the line above "Out ${HOME}/PDF". HTH, Glenn On Thursday 02 October 2008 09:54:45 Art Alexion wrote: > On all of my other *ubuntu machines, when I print using the CUPS PDF > driver, it saves the PDF to ~/PDF/. On an eee-Ubuntu notebook, I can't > find the files. Further, I can't find anywhere to set the save location. > Anybody able to answer either of these questions? > > I think if I can get an answer to the second, the first becomes moot. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 2 14:18:58 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:18:58 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <1917821.vyVIOr16aa@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E3D61C.2070902@dmiyu.org> <200810020937.48601.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2437742.GMdx9BhCK0@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 3:57:16 pm Steve Lamb wrote: >> I don't happen to have a 93 byte .csv to test with. >> However, > > Derek, > > I have some docs I open from mounted network shares and files from them > load > almost instantaneously. Are you loading from http or unmounted smb? I'll > give that a try as well. >From http://localhost/something.csv > Also, are you opening from the OOo Open dialog, or by clicking the file in > konqueror? When clicking the file in either Konqueror or Firefox. I hadn't even realized I could use an HTTP url. It's very similar, though - OO _still_ pops up a password prompt, even if I use http://admin:admin at localhost/code-tables/ocean/at_download/spreadsheet wget works with that url: $ wget http://admin:admin at localhost/code-tables/ocean/at_download/spreadsheet -O - -q "Code","Description" "AT","ATLANTIC" "AR","ARCTIC" "I","INDIAN" "P","PACIFIC" "S","SOUTHERN" "O","Other" If I copy that file to /var/www/spreadsheet.csv and use http://localhost/spreadsheet.csv to access it, I can open it from OO faster than I can time it, which means it's definitely got something to do with the passworded folders, but that's nuts anyway because, to open a file streamed from the net, it shouldn't be sending a fresh request for a URL. -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 2 15:25:06 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:25:06 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200810021125.07047.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 01 October 2008, Pastor JW wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 7:45:27 pm tom bell wrote: > > Just wondering here if you have used your browser to address CUPS via: > > http://localhost:631 > > Yes, I have but the laptop can not find the computer with the printer which > is on the same router as the laptop.  Neither can the other two wired > desktops for that matter. Something is seriously wrong then. I have a labrat machine here that has a scanner connected to it. I just now wanted to copy a piece of paper but found out that I hadn't defined a printer for that machine. Went into 'system settings', selected 'add printer', told it I wanted to add a 'network printer' using TCP, gave it the address, and port (9100) and told it what kind of printer it is (HP4000TN) and off it went. Printed the CUPS test page just fine. It shouldn't be harder than that. Now if you are trying to print from one linux machine to another, and that other has a local printer, then you need to add a 'remote CUPS server' printer (IPP/HTTP) and use 'anonymous' as the user ID type and give it the host IP address and use port 631. But you may have to make some settings on the machine with the printer also. I just tried to have my labrat machine talk to a different linux machine by doing the above remote CUPS server setup and it says "unable to connect to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx on port 631" Looking at the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on my server machine I see the setting to: # Only listen for connections from the local machine. Listen localhost:631 Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock And there may be other things that need to change. I did all this 7 years ago and it worked fine. Don't need to do it anymore. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 2 15:56:03 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:56:03 -0400 Subject: How do I format a thumb drive in Kubuntu Hardy KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200810012119.04298.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> <200810012119.04298.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <48E4EF13.60004@sbcglobal.net> Mark Halegua wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 08:11:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Meti info says that the thumb drive has only 25% of 1gb remaining; >> Dolphin says the drive is empty. Apparently it is nearly full, because >> when I try to put a 700mb file in it, it says it does not have room for >> it. TIA for any help. >> Steven >> > > A client of mine had the same complaint. When I looked at it I used the > ls -la arguments so ALL the files, including the . (dot) files, which are > normally invisible, become visible. > > Mark > > Dear Mark, I opened ls -la, there was quite a list, but nothing that related to the thumb drive. If any of what I was looking at was in the thumb drive, it was not identified in a manner I would understand. How would I format or remove it if I could identify it? Steven From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:08:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:08:22 +0300 Subject: How do I format a thumb drive in Kubuntu Hardy KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48E4EF13.60004@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> <200810012119.04298.phantom21@mindspring.com> <48E4EF13.60004@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E4F1F6.9030804@gmail.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Mark Halegua wrote: >> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 08:11:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Meti info says that the thumb drive has only 25% of 1gb remaining; >>> Dolphin says the drive is empty. Apparently it is nearly full, because >>> when I try to put a 700mb file in it, it says it does not have room for >>> it. TIA for any help. >>> Steven >>> >> A client of mine had the same complaint. When I looked at it I used the >> ls -la arguments so ALL the files, including the . (dot) files, which are >> normally invisible, become visible. >> >> Mark >> >> > Dear Mark, > > I opened ls -la, there was quite a list, but nothing that related to the > thumb drive. If any of what I was looking at was in the thumb drive, it > was not identified in a manner I would understand. How would I format > or remove it if I could identify it? > > Steven > Steven, did you run this command in the thumb drive? you need go to the directory where the thumb is mounted, usually somewhere in /media , and once you are in that directory, run "ls -la" . of course, all of this is inside a terminal. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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TIA for any help. >> Steven >> >> > > You can use the disk free "df -h" console command to see how much > space you have on your mounted disks. > And you can use the disk usage "du -sh /somedir" command to see how > much space recursively that directories take up. > > / Jonas > > I tried su -sh /somedir and got nothing. I am confused and inexperienced in using the Shell. From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 17:11:06 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:11:06 -0400 Subject: How do I format a thumb drive in Kubuntu Hardy KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48E4F4E3.9050907@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E411AE.6020203@sbcglobal.net> <48E4F4E3.9050907@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810021311.07116.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 02 October 2008 12:20:51 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > I tried su -sh /somedir and got nothing.  I am confused and > inexperienced in using the Shell. /somedir is meant to tell you to run it on "some directory", i.e. the directory you want to check. for the thumb drive, it will probably be something on /media. A lot of times Kubuntu can find the brand name of the drive an make the directory have that name, so for example, if I plug in my Kingston thumb drive, Kubuntu mounts it as /media/Kingston -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 17:13:16 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:13:16 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810021125.07047.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200810021125.07047.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810021313.17039.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 02 October 2008 11:25:06 am Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008, Pastor JW wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 7:45:27 pm tom bell wrote: > > > Just wondering here if you have used your browser to address CUPS via: > > > http://localhost:631 > > > > Yes, I have but the laptop can not find the computer with the printer > > which is on the same router as the laptop.  Neither can the other two > > wired desktops for that matter. > > Something is seriously wrong then. > > I have a labrat machine here that has a scanner connected to it. I just > now wanted to copy a piece of paper but found out that I hadn't defined a > printer for that machine. > > Went into 'system settings', selected 'add printer', told it I wanted to > add a 'network printer' using TCP, gave it the address, and port (9100) > and told it what kind of printer it is (HP4000TN) and off it went. > Printed the CUPS test page just fine. > > It shouldn't be harder than that. > > Now if you are trying to print from one linux machine to another, and that > other has a local printer, then you need to add a 'remote CUPS server' > printer (IPP/HTTP) and use 'anonymous' as the user ID type and give it the > host IP address and use port 631. > > But you may have to make some settings on the machine with the printer > also. I just tried to have my labrat machine talk to a different linux > machine by doing the above remote CUPS server setup and it says "unable to > connect to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx on port 631" > > Looking at the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on my server machine I see the setting > to: > > # Only listen for connections from the local machine. > Listen localhost:631 > Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock > > > And there may be other things that need to change. I did all this 7 years > ago and it worked fine. Don't need to do it anymore. Make sure you have the package smbclient installed. I have no idea why this is not installed with the samba package or by default, but it screws a lot of people up. There is also an smbprint package, but I think that is included in smbclient. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 2 18:01:05 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:01:05 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810021313.17039.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810021125.07047.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810021313.17039.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810021401.06277.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 02 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > Make sure you have the package smbclient installed.  I have no idea why > this is not installed with the samba package or by default, but it screws a > lot of people up.  There is also an smbprint package, but I think that is > included in smbclient. Why would smb (Samba) have anything to with a totally Linux printing environment? From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 18:20:24 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:20:24 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810021401.06277.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810021313.17039.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810021401.06277.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810021420.24379.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 02 October 2008 2:01:05 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Thursday 02 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > > Make sure you have the package smbclient installed.  I have no idea why > > this is not installed with the samba package or by default, but it screws > > a lot of people up.  There is also an smbprint package, but I think that > > is included in smbclient. > > Why would smb (Samba) have anything to with a totally Linux printing > environment? Isn't this an SMB printer? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 19:36:43 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:36:43 -0400 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810021516.29235.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810021401.06277.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810021420.24379.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810021516.29235.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810021236g4158a9d9j78462a855cbd2773@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Thursday 02 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote:>> > Why would smb (Samba) have anything to with a totally Linux printing >> > environment? >> >> Isn't this an SMB printer? > > Not that I am aware of.... He's trying to get CUPS to work in an all Linux > environment. > > Maybe I missed something. And I am assuming you are saying it is a local > printer connected to a Windows machine. Don't think that's the case. > No. He's saying that it is on some sort of print server, though I didn't catch any details about it. He also is saying that his windows box can access it. He gave us an IP address in the 192.168.1.x range, but I don't know if that is the server appliance or the windows machine that hosts the drivers. On our heterogeneous environment, we have a number of laser printers with built in ethernet connections and large lineprinters with parallel connectors plugged into print server appliances. The windows computers in the environment connect through a windows server that hosts the drivers. My linux boxes connect either through that same server via smbprint, or directly to the printer or print server IPs via port 9100. But in order for me to connect via the windows server, I need smbclient installed. Among Linux distributions I have used, *ubuntu seems to handle printing better than most, but for a windows print server, you need smbclient installed. Last, not knowing what the server appliance he is using is and how it works, I think we might assume that it may have some windows-only limitations. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 22:04:47 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:04:47 -0600 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810021504g4bc3470bna74eb0b756cc1771@mail.gmail.com> I just went through this at home. By default, kubuntu sets up your cups server so that it only listens for connections from itself. If you want to let other computers use the cups server you need to configure the cups server to listen to the outside world. There may be a GUI way to do this, but I don't know it, so to follow these instructions you'll need to be able to edit a file as root. Looking at the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on your server machine you'll see somewhere in it: # Only listen for connections from the local machine. Listen localhost:631 Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock You need to change that second line to Listen *:631 Restart the cups server (sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart, I think). It will now be listening for outside connections. Now all your other computers should see the printer. On the other computers just say you have a "generic postscript" printer. The server will take charge of converting the postscript to whatever format your printer really wants. Hope that helps, Michael On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Pastor JW wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 7:45:27 pm tom bell wrote: >> Just wondering here if you have used your browser to address CUPS via: >> http://localhost:631 > > Yes, I have but the laptop can not find the computer with the printer which is > on the same router as the laptop. Neither can the other two wired desktops > for that matter. > > -- > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 22:44:10 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:44:10 +0100 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DD17DF.9070609@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <231219A8-9CB8-44B6-9A48-4254D5217886@gmail.com> <48DD17DF.9070609@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810022344.10344.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Friday 26 September 2008 18:11:59 Steven Vollom wrote: > There are a few > things wrong with a used laptop I bought and I am not a techie, and the > model of laptop does not come up even when going to the Compaq site. It > is an Evo N620c according to the indication of the laptop and is > 1.8ghz. Those factors never show on any of the Compaq technical data. > Consequently, I am unsure what to purchase to fix and upgrade the > laptop. Steve - I cannot find out the model of motherboard any more than you can, I fear. But as it is nearly midnight here I'm going off to bed before I fall asleep on my keyboard. Meanwhile, I hope that these URLs will help you in knowing what you need for your laptop: If the first URL wraps on your computer, which it may do, copy and paste it. HTH - we oldies must stick together Lisi From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 07:36:52 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:36:52 +0200 Subject: Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0810021504g4bc3470bna74eb0b756cc1771@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E435C7.6040704@cfl.rr.com> <200810012037.59669.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <9c2aabaf0810021504g4bc3470bna74eb0b756cc1771@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/3 Michael Hirsch : > I just went through this at home. > > By default, kubuntu sets up your cups server so that it only listens > for connections from itself. If you want to let other computers use > the cups server you need to configure the cups server to listen to the > outside world. There may be a GUI way to do this, but I don't know > it, so to follow these instructions you'll need to be able to edit a > file as root. CUPS has a web interface where you can configure the server and your printers, just surf to http://localhost:631 / Jonas From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:00:17 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:00:17 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released Message-ID: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> Kubuntu 8.10 beta 1 has been released. Contains KDE 4.1.2 whether you like it or not. Link: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta I would much have preferred another "stable KDE3" and "KDE4 trial" as in 8.04 - but I am not a Kubuntu developer... Sinclair From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:35:08 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:35:08 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Kubuntu 8.10 beta 1 has been released. Contains KDE 4.1.2 whether you > like it or not. Link: > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta > > I would much have preferred another "stable KDE3" and "KDE4 trial" as in > 8.04 - but I am not a Kubuntu developer... > > Sinclair I would also like to have seen this. To bad we can't do a poll. I wonder what the results would be? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From cary at bielenberg.id.au Fri Oct 3 09:00:32 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:00:32 +1000 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> Knapp wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Kubuntu 8.10 beta 1 has been released. Contains KDE 4.1.2 whether you >> like it or not. Link: >> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta >> >> I would much have preferred another "stable KDE3" and "KDE4 trial" as in >> 8.04 - but I am not a Kubuntu developer... >> >> Sinclair >> > > I would also like to have seen this. To bad we can't do a poll. I > wonder what the results would be? > > I personally like KDE4 & only wish it has the functional equivalent of KDE3. But if you want to do a straw poll why not put 1 up on Kubuntu or Ubuntu forum & put a link to it on this email? Cary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Oct 3 09:03:51 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:03:51 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> Knapp wrote: > I would also like to have seen this. To bad we can't do a poll. I > wonder what the results would be? I was rather vocal of my disgust at KDE 4.0. However I think I've turned around on the whole matter. I still rail against the whole notion of Plasmoids as pretty much useless fluff, but 4.1.x has been good to me. I've been using it exclusively in a VM for well over a month now. I still have problems with it on my real box but I think that has more to do with bad interactions with KDE3 setups than anything else. On the VM machine I found the joys of the Wonton Soup color scheme. The real machine's GTK apps (Firefox/TBird), don't pull the scheme's background color but pulls it's light foreground color. As a result I'm stuck with a very difficult to read white on light-blue combination. A problem, so far, that has gotten no suggestions for solving from ubuntuforums... :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=931419 Now, some of the KDE4 applications just need to get up to snuff. KRDC for example. I have no idea why the 3.5.10 version is quite snappy (only xtightvncviewer is quicker) while the 4.1.1 version introduces a 1/2-1 second lag to mouse movements. >.< I think the Debianista in me would vote 3.5.10 because of its stability. However the (tiny) portion of me that is wooed by the sexiness of the curls background and the general style of KDE4's base interface would vote 4.1.1+. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > wonder what the results would be? > > > > I personally like KDE4 & only wish it has the functional equivalent of KDE3. > But if you want to do a straw poll why not put 1 up on Kubuntu or Ubuntu > forum & put a link to it on this email? > > > Cary The whole point of having a computer is so that it functions and you get work done. I would love to see 4 take off and do well but have yet to read a review that says it is wonderful and just as usable and stable as 3. Until then at least let me pick! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 09:22:23 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:22:23 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48E5E44F.7090707@gmail.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> I would also like to have seen this. To bad we can't do a poll. I >> wonder what the results would be? > > I was rather vocal of my disgust at KDE 4.0. However I think I've turned > around on the whole matter. I still rail against the whole notion of > Plasmoids as pretty much useless fluff, but 4.1.x has been good to me. I've > been using it exclusively in a VM for well over a month now. > > I still have problems with it on my real box but I think that has more to > do with bad interactions with KDE3 setups than anything else. On the VM > machine I found the joys of the Wonton Soup color scheme. The real machine's > GTK apps (Firefox/TBird), don't pull the scheme's background color but pulls > it's light foreground color. As a result I'm stuck with a very difficult to > read white on light-blue combination. A problem, so far, that has gotten no > suggestions for solving from ubuntuforums... :( > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=931419 > > Now, some of the KDE4 applications just need to get up to snuff. KRDC for > example. I have no idea why the 3.5.10 version is quite snappy (only > xtightvncviewer is quicker) while the 4.1.1 version introduces a 1/2-1 second > lag to mouse movements. >.< This is really odd.. I run 4.1.1 in a VBox as well and KRDC is one of the apps I find to be really nicely improved... I notice no lag whatsoever compared to the 3.5 version! Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 09:23:07 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:23:07 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> Il venerdì 3 ottobre 2008 11:03:51 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > > Now, some of the KDE4 applications just need to get up to snuff. KRDC > for example. I have no idea why the 3.5.10 version is quite snappy (only > xtightvncviewer is quicker) while the 4.1.1 version introduces a 1/2-1 > second lag to mouse movements. >.< > > I think the Debianista in me would vote 3.5.10 because of its > stability. However the (tiny) portion of me that is wooed by the sexiness > of the curls background and the general style of KDE4's base interface > would vote 4.1.1+. I tried Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 in a live cd and it seems to work well. But my question is: what about the old machines like mine? I have a P IV 32bit 2.8 Ghz with 768 MB of RAM, and a video card of 128 MB, and on KDE 3.5.10 is quite stable. If I attempt an upgrade, will it work? This is my fear, Intrepid will ship only KDE 4. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From cary at bielenberg.id.au Fri Oct 3 09:29:38 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:29:38 +1000 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5E602.70200@bielenberg.id.au> Valter Mura wrote: > Il venerdì 3 ottobre 2008 11:03:51 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > >> Now, some of the KDE4 applications just need to get up to snuff. KRDC >> for example. I have no idea why the 3.5.10 version is quite snappy (only >> xtightvncviewer is quicker) while the 4.1.1 version introduces a 1/2-1 >> second lag to mouse movements. >.< >> >> I think the Debianista in me would vote 3.5.10 because of its >> stability. However the (tiny) portion of me that is wooed by the sexiness >> of the curls background and the general style of KDE4's base interface >> would vote 4.1.1+. >> > > I tried Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 in a live cd and it seems to work well. > > But my question is: what about the old machines like mine? I have a P IV 32bit > 2.8 Ghz with 768 MB of RAM, and a video card of 128 MB, and on KDE 3.5.10 is > quite stable. > > If I attempt an upgrade, will it work? This is my fear, Intrepid will ship > only KDE 4. > > From my experience with the slower video cards metacity does not enable & works equally as fast as KDE3.x Cary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris From hamtarofreak at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:16:56 2008 From: hamtarofreak at gmail.com (Hamtaro Freak) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:16:56 +1000 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> Message-ID: Wow, this is quite slow. I swear I was running Vista for a second there.. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > > > The whole point of having a computer is so that it functions and you > > get work done. I would love to see 4 take off and do well but have yet > > to read a review that says it is wonderful and just as usable and > > stable as 3. Until then at least let me pick! > > You can choose. If you want KDE3 stick with the LTS 8.04 release ;) > > 8.10 is not an LTS release and traditionally this is the time for more > drastic changes. We need to drop KDE3 sometime, and for me, 8.10 + KDE > 4.1.2 is as good a time as any to do this. > > Chris > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- ~Hamtaro Freak~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Fri Oct 3 13:15:12 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:15:12 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5E602.70200@bielenberg.id.au> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E5E602.70200@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: Hi all, On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > > Valter Mura wrote: > > Il venerdì 3 ottobre 2008 11:03:51 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > >> But my question is: what about the old machines like mine? I have a P IV >> 32bit >> 2.8 Ghz with 768 MB of RAM, and a video card of 128 MB, and on KDE 3.5.10 is >> quite stable. > >> If I attempt an upgrade, will it work? This is my fear, Intrepid will ship >> only KDE 4. > > From my experience with the slower video cards metacity does not enable & > works equally as fast as KDE3.x > Metacity? Did I miss something or do you really talk about Gnome here? Greets Myriam > Cary > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 13:28:04 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:28:04 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <200810030928.11756.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 03 October 2008 5:06:51 am Knapp wrote: > > The whole point of having a computer is so that it functions and you > get work done. I would love to see 4 take off and do well but have yet > to read a review that says it is wonderful and just as usable and > stable as 3. Until then at least let me pick! I have a test machine. Stock install of 8.04 only. Upgraded to 8.10 the day before yesterday, and I can't get the video to work properly. When the resolution is right, the mouse is invisible. It is there. I see things highlight when this invisible thing is apparently hovering over them, and I can click on them. I tried reconfiguring X and even restoring a formerly working copy of xorg.conf. but still no good. I think I am going to install the Gnome version and see if it is 8.10 itself, or the Kubuntu flavor. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 13:42:29 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> Message-ID: <200810030942.34983.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 03 October 2008 6:50:17 am Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > You can choose. If you want KDE3 stick with the LTS 8.04 release In some ways this is a false choice as many who stuck with Dapper know. As app improvements come out — and it is really about the apps, not the Desktop Environment — you are locked out by the LTS. The LTS is a great server choice, but not so good with desktops. Even for hard core work, you are locked out of important OOo bug fixes. IMO, the choices are * Use Gnome until KDE 4 works reliably, and * hope that KDE 4 is fixed before Joey Jackal (9.04) comes out so you don't have a hard time upgrading from 8.04 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 3 13:35:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:35:03 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> Message-ID: <45328570.HjA8nk45uh@cedar.serverforest.com> Christopher Rob JONES wrote: >> The whole point of having a computer is so that it functions and you >> get work done. I would love to see 4 take off and do well but have yet >> to read a review that says it is wonderful and just as usable and >> stable as 3. Until then at least let me pick! > > You can choose. If you want KDE3 stick with the LTS 8.04 release ;) Or not :-) This is a debian-based distro - which means that just because Ubuntu packages things up nicely in a semi-annual release, and provides a clean upgrade path for doing that, doesn't mean you're bound to it. If you want to upgrade everything _but_ KDE you can do that. Read about apt-pinning, change your sources.list to point to 8.10, do "aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade --simulate" and see what you need to pin. It won't be simple - but if you wanted simple you'd stick to Ubuntu releases. > 8.10 is not an LTS release and traditionally this is the time for more > drastic changes. Except that 8.04 wasn't an LTS release for Kubuntu, either... > We need to drop KDE3 sometime, and for me, 8.10 + KDE > 4.1.2 is as good a time as any to do this. +1 -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 3 13:38:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:38:13 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DFF7.7030702@dmiyu.org> <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E5E602.70200@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <1497247.6IIcTodWMg@cedar.serverforest.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Cary Bielenberg > wrote: >> >> From my experience with the slower video cards metacity does not enable & >> works equally as fast as KDE3.x >> > Metacity? Did I miss something or do you really talk about Gnome here? Oh, good. It wasn't just me. I _thought_ metacity was gnome... -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Fri Oct 3 13:57:12 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:57:12 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> Ian L. Target wrote: > Will there be the ability to remove KDE 4.1.2 and install KDE 3.5.10 in > Kubuntu 8.10? I don't think so. You can choose one of these two options: KDE 3.5.* with 8.04 or KDE 4.1.* with 8.10. Sooner or later you will have to move to KDE 4.*. But you don't have to hurry because 8.04 will be supported one more year. Then you can decide if you still don't like KDE4 and prefer to move to another desktop. Give the developers time to finish their work. I expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 will be usable until then. Nils From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 14:32:16 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:32:16 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5EC08.1050105@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E5EC08.1050105@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810031632.16390.valtermura@gmail.com> Il venerdì 3 ottobre 2008 11:55:20 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > Valter Mura wrote: > > But my question is: what about the old machines like mine? I have a P IV > > 32bit 2.8 Ghz with 768 MB of RAM, and a video card of 128 MB, and on KDE > > 3.5.10 is quite stable. > > > > If I attempt an upgrade, will it work? This is my fear, Intrepid will > > ship only KDE 4. > > My game machine (the one with the funky color combo) is an AMD 2800+ > (comparable to the P4 2.8Ghz), 2Gb of RAM and a 128Mb video card. 4.1.1 is > perfectly fine on it. Well, compiz-decorator doesn't start up for some > reason but I am not impressed by compiz enough to leave it on more than 5-6 > minutes at a time. The rest of it is smooth and sweet. I downloaded a live cd of Kubuntu Intrepid and ran it on boot. The system started without big problems. It's not so fast as 3.5.x, obviously, but my suspect is that I could have problems with my graphics card, which is bad and slow (ATI 9200SE 128MB). Regards -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 14:39:35 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:39:35 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 03 October 2008 9:57:12 am Nils Kassube wrote: > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 will > be usable until then. Isn't that something that should be done /before/ making it the default? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jordi Ferrando From mdhirsch at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:54:16 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:54:16 -0600 Subject: Force resolution kde In-Reply-To: <48E63259.7020406@netplc.com> References: <48E63259.7020406@netplc.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810030854g2544c9ddmfed27da65cf5f09e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > Hi, > > I am setting a kubuntu 8.04 system, and I want to force the kde screen > resolution at 1024x768. > I open systemsettings and select 1024x768, but as a user as an > administrator. > > The system, nevertheless, starts the kde login screen always at > 1280x1024, but it decreases the resolutiton to 1024x768 once the user > logs into kde. > > This is very annoying to me, does anyone know a fix? You can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. In it you should see a section labeled 'Section "Screen"'. Inside that section is probably as SubSection labeled 'SubSection "Display"' (if not, then create it) and inside that there may or may not be a "Modes" line. Edit the Modes so it reads 'Modes "1024x768"'. Now when your X server starts it will start in 1024x768 mode. Michael From jferrando at netplc.com Fri Oct 3 16:06:46 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:06:46 +0200 Subject: Force resolution kde In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0810030854g2544c9ddmfed27da65cf5f09e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E63259.7020406@netplc.com> <9c2aabaf0810030854g2544c9ddmfed27da65cf5f09e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E64316.20105@netplc.com> Michael Hirsch escribió: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Jordi Ferrando Fabra > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am setting a kubuntu 8.04 system, and I want to force the kde screen >> resolution at 1024x768. >> I open systemsettings and select 1024x768, but as a user as an >> administrator. >> >> The system, nevertheless, starts the kde login screen always at >> 1280x1024, but it decreases the resolutiton to 1024x768 once the user >> logs into kde. >> >> This is very annoying to me, does anyone know a fix? >> > > You can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. In it you should see a section > labeled 'Section "Screen"'. > Inside that section is probably as SubSection labeled 'SubSection > "Display"' (if not, then create it) and inside that there may or may > not be a "Modes" line. Edit the Modes so it reads 'Modes "1024x768"'. > > Now when your X server starts it will start in 1024x768 mode. > > Michael Yes, this is what I did. Nevertheless when the system starts always uses 1280x1024 resolution. ??? (...) Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" Vendorname "Generic CRT Display" Modelname "Monitor 1024x768" Horizsync 31.5-61.0 Vertrefresh 50-75 modeline "640x480 at 60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync modeline "800x600 at 60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync modeline "1024x768 at 60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync Gamma 1.0 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" Defaultdepth 16 SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Virtual 1024 768 Modes "1024x768 at 60" "800x600 at 60" "640x480 at 60" EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0 EndSection Section "Module" Load "glx" Load "GLcore" Load "dri" Load "v4l" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection From linuxhippy at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 16:13:51 2008 From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:13:51 +0200 Subject: partman blocks installer in alpha6 In-Reply-To: <194f62550810020548o565d15b2nf61c0b6aa084e9f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <194f62550810020548o565d15b2nf61c0b6aa084e9f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <194f62550810030913v17baa8a9wc0e197f9b054bc66@mail.gmail.com> Still happens with Intrepid Beta :-/ 2008/10/2 Clemens Eisserer : > Hi, > > I tried installing "Intrepid Alpha 6" on my laptop however I had the > following problems: > > 1. When booting directly in installation mode, X starts but then > nothing happens and ubiquity comsumes 99% cpu. > 2. When booting as live-cd I can start the installer, but after step 4 > or 5 when the small dialog shortly appears (contains only progressbar > I guess about partitioning), it also gets stuck. > The installer does not respond to clicks anymore, but this time also > no program creates heavy load. > Top shows some "partman" processes started, so I guess it has to do > something about partitioning. > > Any ideas what could be the reson for this, and how can I get more > information about what goes wrong? > Is this already a known problem? > > Thank you in advance, Clemens > From chief at porterfire.org Fri Oct 3 16:14:27 2008 From: chief at porterfire.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:14:27 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released Message-ID: <200810031214.27667.lists@ptfd.org> On Friday 03 October 2008 11:37:48 Ian L. Target wrote: > Valter Mura wrote: > I downloaded a live cd of Kubuntu Intrepid and ran it on boot. > > The system started without big problems. It's not so fast as 3.5.x, > obviously, > > > I realize that my needs as an end user are probably simpler than most - I > surf (Firefox), mail (TB) and miscellaneous (KOffice/OO).  But even so, I > am still a little confused.  Is it not  rather Microsoft-ish, this trend of > getting bigger and bigger and bigger?  Why upgrade if it is going to make > your system slower? > > Ian I have been using 4.1.1 (actually since 4.0 beta) on my 8.04 laptop "Production" machine for a long time. While it is still not totally polished it has come a long way. My expeirence with the speed has been the oposite, it seems a little lighter than 3.5.* to me. For clarification I am running it on a Dell D820, 1g. ram, 250g HD, I use FF, kontact, virtualbox with a winxp vm for some Fire Department legacy apps, Crossover for the apps that will run like quickbooks, etc... I use bluetooth mouse and keyboard, as well as a docking station with a very large monitor with high resolution at work. I dont just dilly and play games, thisn is my main production platform. I will be doing a complete reinstall as soon as I am sure my vm's will continue to work as I have done an upgrade only since 7.04 and really think there might be some better results if I can weed out the old lib's I dont need anymore. Just my .02 Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 16:34:50 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:34:50 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200809301428.13610.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <200809301428.13610.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E649AA.4070508@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2008 1:57:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now. I haven't >> been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. >> > > Shouldn't be necessary. Either open the file in kate (advanced text editor, > in the menu) and copy and paste it, or type > > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a terminal and copy it from there. > I copied *cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf, *but it remains the same. The page extends below the screen and does not have a scroll capability. > > >> *There was an instruction with warning as follows*: # edit this file >> with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. >> # (type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) * I did not do this. >> >> Later I may have screwed up. It says as follows*: >> # if you have edited this file but wopuld like it to be automatically >> updated >> # again, run the following command: >> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg *I did this with the >> following result: >> >> *steven at steven-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfgure -phigh xserver-xorg >> [sudo] password for steven: ** >> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-custpomised >> configuration >> file; backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.20080930134446 >> steven at steven-laptop:~$ *Have I damaged anything? >> > > Unlikely. How does it work now? > It stayed the same. > > > > From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 16:46:45 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:46:45 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > [snip] > >>> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >>> reply. >>> steven at steven-laptop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" EndSection >>> >>> >> The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now. I haven't >> been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. >> > > You don't need to print the screen, just attaching the file will be enough > > >> *There was an instruction with warning as follows*: # edit this file >> with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. >> # (type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) * I did not do this. >> >> Later I may have screwed up. It says as follows*: >> # if you have edited this file but wopuld like it to be automatically >> updated >> # again, run the following command: >> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg *I did this with the >> following result: >> >> *steven at steven-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfgure -phigh xserver-xorg >> [sudo] password for steven: ** >> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-custpomised >> configuration >> file; backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.20080930134446 >> steven at steven-laptop:~$ *Have I damaged anything? >> >> Steven >> * >> > > Unlikely. > I. > > From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 16:48:58 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:48:58 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E649AA.4070508@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809301428.13610.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E649AA.4070508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810031249.03770.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 03 October 2008 12:34:50 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 September 2008 1:57:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >   > > > >> The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now.  I haven't > >> been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. > >>     > > > > Shouldn't be necessary.  Either open the file in kate (advanced text > > editor, in the menu) and copy and paste it, or type > > > > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a terminal and copy it from there. > >   > > I copied *cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf, *but it remains the same.  The page > extends below the screen and does not have a scroll capability. Steven, I meant copy the output of the command: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf and paste it into an email Alternatively, you can run this command, cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf > ~/xorg.conf This will create a copy of the file in your home directory. Then attach that file to an email. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:31:45 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:31:45 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031214.27667.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200810031214.27667.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <48E65701.7050109@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Friday 03 October 2008 11:37:48 Ian L. Target wrote: >> Valter Mura wrote: >> I downloaded a live cd of Kubuntu Intrepid and ran it on boot. >> >> The system started without big problems. It's not so fast as 3.5.x, >> obviously, >> >> >> I realize that my needs as an end user are probably simpler than most - I >> surf (Firefox), mail (TB) and miscellaneous (KOffice/OO).� But even so, I >> am still a little confused.� Is it not� rather Microsoft-ish, this trend of >> getting bigger and bigger and bigger?� Why upgrade if it is going to make >> your system slower? >> >> Ian > I have been using 4.1.1 (actually since 4.0 beta) on my 8.04 laptop > "Production" machine for a long time. While it is still not totally polished > it has come a long way. My expeirence with the speed has been the oposite, it > seems a little lighter than 3.5.* to me. > > For clarification I am running it on a Dell D820, 1g. ram, 250g HD, I use FF, > kontact, virtualbox with a winxp vm for some Fire Department legacy apps, > Crossover for the apps that will run like quickbooks, etc... I use bluetooth > mouse and keyboard, as well as a docking station with a very large monitor > with high resolution at work. I dont just dilly and play games, thisn is my > main production platform. > I will be doing a complete reinstall as soon as I am sure my vm's will > continue to work as I have done an upgrade only since 7.04 and really think > there might be some better results if I can weed out the old lib's I dont need > anymore. > > Just my .02 > > Mike ppl complaining about kde4 being slow are most probably using desktop effects, which are enabled by default in intrepid. these effects slow the machine very much. i have a 3.0 ghz cpu with hyper threading, 1.5 gb ram, and an nvidia geforce 7300 with up to 512 mb of video ram, and still, if i run firefox with 6 tabs ( i always have at least 10 tabs open, in 2 windows) the computer grinds to a halt. try disabling desktop effects, and you'll notice how faster interactivity is. but still, there are many default KDE4 apps that are sluggish, but all is geting better. remarkably is adept, which is waaay faster now in KDE 4.1.2 . but as someone mentioned above, i think i'll start trying out GNOME for a while. KDE will still be my favourite and most used Desktop environment, but till it gets better in all aspects, i'll take as a sign to try something new. i'm just waiting for the final release, and i'll install GNOME. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 17:43:55 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:43:55 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <750637.85055.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <750637.85055.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E659DB.8020108@sbcglobal.net> Earl Violet wrote: > I sure > >> would like to >> get a larger hard drive than 60gb too. I only have 30 now. >> >> Cordially, >> Steven >> > Some laptops, I don't remember which ones though, will only recognize a 30 GB hard drive at the max. > I read somewhere that mine could go to 60, but I would like to get larger, like 200gb. There is no way to ask the question from Compaq. > Earl > > > > > From kap4lin at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:47:31 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:47:31 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: I have never done a rant like this, so my apologies to anyone getting offended. But I guess, the placenta connecting the KDE4-womb is running severely short on blood supply (blood plasma?), and hence Oxygen! More and more "family members" are getting restless and when the cord is cut (8.10 without KDE3) with an immature baby (KDE4), Earth save us, "There will be Blood!" On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > But you don't have to hurry because 8.04 will be supported one more > year. Then you can decide if you still don't like KDE4 and prefer to move > to another desktop. Aha, as someone else mentioned, this is where the problem is: most of the applications as soon as they get ported to KDE4 will receive *only* critical bug fixes for their KDE3 counterparts. All the feature development will focus on the KDE4 port. And for this, I certainly don't blame the application developers. One can not expect them to develop both KDE3 and KDE4 ports simultaneously. Thankfully, two of my most extensively used apps, Kile and KMyM2, are still being developed on KDE3, though KDE4 porting is in "progress." I hope they stick with KDE3 for a little (is 1 year little?) while longer. And *the* most essential app for me, RKWard, has moved to KDE4, and that is why I use the backported KDE4.1.x packages for Hardy. > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 will > be usable until then. I am assuming by developers you are referring to KDE4 devs and not application devs. Now, I am not a developer myself, though I have dabbled on and off on some "plugins," I am just an avid and curious user, rather faithfully wedded to KDE. I try to follow the planetkde blogs almost regularly, and my impression is that the KDE4 devs have done *almost everything* they can to give us a "rejuvinated" KDE platform. The current performance issues, that has become synonymous to KDE4, (which were once the bane of XP and today is for Vista) can be blamed on the drivers. By drivers, I refer to both open source, (X.org and the multitude of video modules within), and closed source like nVidia/ATI. But we are not new to "issue with drivers" - it has been there since time immemorial for Linux (and other *ixes) users! KDE4 technology has pushed the limits of software development to such fringes that they have found the existing drivers fall short of their requirements. A not too bad analogy will be the current US economic meltdown - taking loans more than what you can afford, viz, "spending beyond your wallet!" Sometimes, to me, the stupidity of the whole thing, seems to resemble the current US presidential (especially, VP'ial) race. Now, say this to a KDE4 dev, and you'll get back a rhetorical reply: "without pushing for the limits there will be no invention." Hmm, pretty convincing! NO! There are stages of developments: Hypothesize Theories > FLowchart > Planning > In-Lab Development and Experimentation > Field/Clinical Trials > Back to the lab for Improvements/Fixes > Second trial > Mass release. Now I haven't followed the pre-Google-campus-release-of-KDE4.0 days of its development, but will I be too off-base to claim that the in-lab stage for KDE4 has been, if anything, superficial? You can not afford to conduct such experiments in real life in a mass scale. Inventions are for labs. Prove it in a lab, then apply it en masse. Remember, many well respected distros, openSuse, Fedora, Ubuntu are making KDE 4.1.x mandatory, so you are going en masse. KDE4 is no longer the pet-project of a group of ambitious developers. When things don't work, you expect the responsible end-user to report a bug. And I think, at least this, we all should do. But in the process, the end-user realizes that the software is broken. When this happens repeatedly, the end-user is pissed off, and moves on. I, such an end-user, can report one or two occasional bugs, but can not live in a "SARS environment." It will ruin my own time and job. This was the reason I moved away from Debian/Sid to Kubuntu. Speaking of Debian/Sid, no one blames the Debian team for maintaining/providing Sid, it is called "unstable," and it will perennially remain unstable. Yes, people blame them for taking too long for releasing stable versions, but realize that is takes time to provide a "stable" platform. So, what should've they done? May be, they should've taken more time to gestate through the KDE4 feature and optimization development process rather than such a hyped "premature-release" - may be two to three years. Ah, but then that would seem like the Microsoft/Apple development cycles!! Nooo, if we are Messiahs of freedom, we can not do such a thing! Well, who pays the price? We, the users! Why? Because *we* choose to use such half-baked softwares - and that is "open source!" BTW, what "price" are we really paying? Not by money, but by time and emotion! Ah well, an economist will say " *.* is money," and hence we are paying by money, but I personally beg to differ! We, the over-enthusiastic opensource-loving users, are like the pre-teens: give us a new toy (software with a decent hype), and we want it! When the toy doesn't live up to our expectations, we crib; we want a better one. Woosh.. lot of nonsense! I just hope the ignominious mix of pushing-the-limits-and-redefing-desktop KDE4 and open and closed source drivers churns out something good. The developers should talk among each other and produce a usable environment for the end-user! There is no point is playing the blame-game: "no my code is right, your code is not up to the mark." OK, that "explains" the limitations of the drivers, specifically the video drivers. But what about the inherent sluggishness? Why does konqueror/dolphin take so much time to start? Even KMenu (KickOff?) takes time to pop up!! My machine is NOT an antique piece, by any stretch of imagination: Athlon 3200+ with 3+ GB RAM! I mean I can go on and on and on... KDE4 is no longer lean, it is as bloated as Vista/OSX 10.5. When a software forces you to upgrade the hardware for the sake of eye-candy, I say you've lost the boat, a long while back! Is this happening to an open source, well respected project? Then, what is with the "usability" improvements? KDE3 windows had "too many lines/frames" which is clumsy so they were removed in KDE4. Good, fantastic, honestly, no sarcasm! But have you seen the amount of "unused white space" being wasted over the KDE4 windows? I agree cramming information is against "usability" but not at the cost of screen real-estate. Sometimes all these gung-ho about usability improvements sounds like Freudian psychology! Sorry, I know this is a bad example, but couldn't help it! One other thing I am surprised that the classical menubar (File Edit View ....) is not plugable! Firefox, using metacity/XUL (pardon my ignorance here) allows icons and plugins on the menubar - that saves space. Is that ugly? NO! (ok, may be my personal opinion) Something was holding me back all these days (actually months), and that has just snapped because of this thread. Again, apologies to anyone offended. Developers, I bow to you for your time and selfless commitment; you've given us KDE3, I am sure you can give us a usable KDE4, hopefully before time runs out! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:51:53 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:51:53 +0300 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> [snip] >> >>>> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >>>> reply. >>>> > > steven at steven-laptop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) > > # > > # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using > > # values from the debconf database. > > # > > # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. > > # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) > > # > > # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* > > # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg > > # package. > > # > > # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated > > # again, run the following command: > > # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Generic Keyboard" > > Driver "kbd" > > Option "XkbRules" "xorg" > > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > > EndSection > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Configured Mouse" > > Driver "mouse" > > Option "CorePointer" > > EndSection > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > > Driver "synaptics" > > Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" > > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > > Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" > > EndSection > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > > EndSection > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Configured Monitor" > > EndSection > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Default Screen" > > Monitor "Configured Monitor" > > Device "Configured Video Device" > > EndSection > > > Section "ServerLayout" > > Identifier "Default Layout" > > Screen "Default Screen" > > InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" > > EndSection > hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, juts some useful input configurations. i wasn't following the thread from it's begining, did steven mention what his graphic card is? -- Willy K. 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Those factors never show on any of the Compaq technical data. >> Consequently, I am unsure what to purchase to fix and upgrade the >> laptop. >> > > Steve - > > I cannot find out the model of motherboard any more than you can, I fear. But > as it is nearly midnight here I'm going off to bed before I fall asleep on my > keyboard. > > Meanwhile, I hope that these URLs will help you in knowing what you need for > your laptop: > > > > > If the first URL wraps on your computer, which it may do, copy and paste it. > > HTH - we oldies must stick together > Thanks Lisi, I found some information, but nothing for N620c at 1.8ghz. Everything entered was 1.2 to 1.6. It may not make a difference, but before I start ordering parts, I want to know what my computer is able to support. I'm only 65, but the male side of the family has a n historically short life span. My father made 53, those before him 47 or less, so at 65 I am rather old for my family. I am in pretty good health too. I agree about sticking together. Younger people don't always understand how aging changes certain things like memory and strength. Hope to talk with you again. Steven > Lisi > > From slewin at bmts.com Fri Oct 3 18:14:16 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:14:16 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48E660F8.9030406@bmts.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > you don't have to hurry because 8.04 will be supported one more > year. Then you can decide if you still don't like KDE4 and prefer to move > to another desktop. This is true and if you still don't like KDE 4 this time next year, you probably will never like it. You should then give another desktop a try like Gnome, Xfce. You should never really "marry" a particular desktop anyway and should give others a try. KDE is my favourite and I do like KDE 4, but I have tried, and like Gnome, Xfce, and even IceWM. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 18:31:10 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:31:10 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200810031249.03770.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809301428.13610.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E649AA.4070508@sbcglobal.net> <200810031249.03770.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E664EE.7070004@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 03 October 2008 12:34:50 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Art Alexion wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 1:57:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now. I haven't >>>> been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. >>>> >>>> >>> Shouldn't be necessary. Either open the file in kate (advanced text >>> editor, in the menu) and copy and paste it, or type >>> >>> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a terminal and copy it from there. >>> >>> >> I copied *cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf, *but it remains the same. The page >> extends below the screen and does not have a scroll capability. >> > > Steven, > > I meant copy the output of the command: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf > and paste it into an email > > Alternatively, you can run this command, > cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf > ~/xorg.conf > > This will create a copy of the file in your home directory. Then attach that > file to an email. > I expecting you are getting pretty frustrated with me. I copied the attachment on a pen drive, put it on my Desktop Computer desktop, then attached it to the email. I hope I got it right. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf2.odt Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text Size: 9079 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kassube at gmx.net Fri Oct 3 18:32:05 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:32:05 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810032032.05201.kassube@gmx.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 03 October 2008 9:57:12 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 > > will be usable until then. > > Isn't that something that should be done /before/ making it the > default? That is certainly debatable, but if KDE3 was delivered with Intrepid, someone would have to spend developer time for that version for 18 months according to the Canonical support promise. And if there are two KDE versions to support, it simply doubles the necessary ressources which doesn't make sense financially. Remember: Developer time = €€€. Now if you read the other posts on this list about KDE4, there seem to be several people who don't mind switching already. Therefore I don't think it is a real problem to have KDE4 as default and no KDE3 for Intrepid. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Fri Oct 3 18:40:11 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:40:11 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810032040.11849.kassube@gmx.net> P Kapat wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 > > will be usable until then. > > I am assuming by developers you are referring to KDE4 devs and not > application devs. Both. For me KDE is the entire thing with base libraries _and_ applications. Nils From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 18:42:41 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:42:41 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E667A1.70206@sbcglobal.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >>> >>>>> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >>>>> reply. >>>>> >>>>> >> steven at steven-laptop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> >> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) >> >> # >> >> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using >> >> # values from the debconf database. >> >> # >> >> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. >> >> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) >> >> # >> >> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* >> >> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg >> >> # package. >> >> # >> >> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated >> >> # again, run the following command: >> >> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> >> Identifier "Generic Keyboard" >> >> Driver "kbd" >> >> Option "XkbRules" "xorg" >> >> Option "XkbModel" "pc105" >> >> Option "XkbLayout" "us" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> >> Identifier "Configured Mouse" >> >> Driver "mouse" >> >> Option "CorePointer" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> >> Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" >> >> Driver "synaptics" >> >> Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" >> >> Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" >> >> Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" >> >> Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "Device" >> >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "Monitor" >> >> Identifier "Configured Monitor" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "Screen" >> >> Identifier "Default Screen" >> >> Monitor "Configured Monitor" >> >> Device "Configured Video Device" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "ServerLayout" >> >> Identifier "Default Layout" >> >> Screen "Default Screen" >> >> InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" >> >> EndSection >> >> > > hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty > configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, > juts some useful input configurations. i wasn't following the thread > from it's begining, did steven mention what his graphic card is? > > I opened System Settings, Monitor & Display, it said the Graphics card is ATI Radeon. I am not comfortable with that for some reason; is there a way to find my Video Card, other than Monitor & Display of System Settings? Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 18:51:43 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:51:43 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E669BF.3070009@sbcglobal.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >>> >>>>> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >>>>> reply. >>>>> >>>>> >> steven at steven-laptop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> >> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) >> >> # >> >> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using >> >> # values from the debconf database. >> >> # >> >> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. >> >> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) >> >> # >> >> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* >> >> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg >> >> # package. >> >> # >> >> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated >> >> # again, run the following command: >> >> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> >> Identifier "Generic Keyboard" >> >> Driver "kbd" >> >> Option "XkbRules" "xorg" >> >> Option "XkbModel" "pc105" >> >> Option "XkbLayout" "us" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> >> Identifier "Configured Mouse" >> >> Driver "mouse" >> >> Option "CorePointer" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> >> Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" >> >> Driver "synaptics" >> >> Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" >> >> Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" >> >> Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" >> >> Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "Device" >> >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "Monitor" >> >> Identifier "Configured Monitor" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "Screen" >> >> Identifier "Default Screen" >> >> Monitor "Configured Monitor" >> >> Device "Configured Video Device" >> >> EndSection >> >> >> Section "ServerLayout" >> >> Identifier "Default Layout" >> >> Screen "Default Screen" >> >> InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" >> >> EndSection >> >> > > hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty > configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, > juts some useful input configurations. i wasn't following the thread > from it's begining, did steven mention what his graphic card is? > My video card is ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]. From kap4lin at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 19:00:32 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:00:32 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever > since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think > it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but > what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything > special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better > in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would > look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? One thing that I was _never_ able to figure was using kchart inside kspread! Seemingly, (so much for "usability") kchart needs the data in rows and can not understand columns. Suppose you have a small file with two columns: Time, Exchange-rate. You want to plot Exchange rate ( Y-axis / vertical axis) as a function of Time (X-axis / horizontal axis ). If the file is small then you can save it as a txt/csv file and "transpose" the data ( rows <--> columns) by hand. If the file is big enough for hand editing, then you can write some shell script (using awk and sed) to do the transpose function. Now suppose you (I do) maintain a few spreadsheets of my car expenses: fuel related (miles driven, price, price/gal, odometer, date, grade, shop), insurance related, maintenance related (this is a messy spreadsheet).. And want to draw some charts, which you can update regularly without much grinding, on time-series of various expenses, some pie charts, etc... In such large scale situations, shell scripts become useless. Too many parameteres to take care of while writing such a script - too much time investment! So, I use, OO.o Calc. Not really clean but more than sufficient for my purpose. And what is the "philosophy" behind requiring data in rows as opposed to columns? Regarding KWord: it can not handle images comfortably, at least from my old experience. Try to include an image file, (png/jpg) in a page, obviously, unless the image is too small, there is reduction of size going on on-the-fly. The image that you see "on-screen" is blured and pathetic, but exporting it to a PDF or printing a hardcopy given correct images. Especially, for the images that I deal with - plots and graphs from some data. I am not too interested in a scenic/vaccation image. And last I checked, KWords' (1.6.x) handling of MS Word documents is also pathetic. But as some one already mentioned this is not their goal. They follow a different philosophy. Lastly, this issue plagues every spreadsheet application on the planet except MS Excel 2007 (it existed in XP/2003 version too, but they fixed it in the "fancier" 2007 version ): Hard restrictions on the number of rows and columns. I regularly deal with csv files with more than 100K rows. All spreadsheet apps (OO.o Cacl, KSpread, ....) have a upper bound of 65536 (= 2^16) rows. There is some low level machine - optimization reason to it, which I am not entirely aware of. Of course, these are technical data and a spreadsheet is not the right application for this. I know, I use R/Matlab for data analysis and PostgreSQL for storing these data. But hey I had to invest time behind setting up a postgres server and learning some elementary sql to just "see" the data. I guess, I am in a mood of ranting today :( -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 19:10:54 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:10:54 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810031511.00683.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 03 October 2008 1:51:53 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty > configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, > juts some useful input configurations I have noticed that mine looks like this since a July update. Yet it works nicely as set by the Settings GUI. Is it now storing the configuration somewhere else? 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Hamra wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >>> >>>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> >>>>>> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >>>>>> reply. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> steven at steven-laptop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf >>> >>> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) >>> >>> # >>> >>> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using >>> >>> # values from the debconf database. >>> >>> # >>> >>> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. >>> >>> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) >>> >>> # >>> >>> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* >>> >>> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg >>> >>> # package. >>> >>> # >>> >>> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated >>> >>> # again, run the following command: >>> >>> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg >>> >>> >>> Section "InputDevice" >>> >>> Identifier "Generic Keyboard" >>> >>> Driver "kbd" >>> >>> Option "XkbRules" "xorg" >>> >>> Option "XkbModel" "pc105" >>> >>> Option "XkbLayout" "us" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >>> Section "InputDevice" >>> >>> Identifier "Configured Mouse" >>> >>> Driver "mouse" >>> >>> Option "CorePointer" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >>> Section "InputDevice" >>> >>> Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" >>> >>> Driver "synaptics" >>> >>> Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" >>> >>> Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" >>> >>> Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" >>> >>> Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >>> Section "Device" >>> >>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >>> Section "Monitor" >>> >>> Identifier "Configured Monitor" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >>> Section "Screen" >>> >>> Identifier "Default Screen" >>> >>> Monitor "Configured Monitor" >>> >>> Device "Configured Video Device" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >>> Section "ServerLayout" >>> >>> Identifier "Default Layout" >>> >>> Screen "Default Screen" >>> >>> InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" >>> >>> EndSection >>> >>> >> hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty >> configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, >> juts some useful input configurations. i wasn't following the thread >> from it's begining, did steven mention what his graphic card is? >> > My video card is ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]. > > in system settings, monitor and display, what is your screen identified as? is it identified as plug & play monitor? if yes, change it to some generic one. if it's LCD choose generic LCD with the appropriate screen size, or in case it's CRT choose CRT with appropriate reolution size. maybe this will add the missing screen section to your xorg.conf. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 19:18:11 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:18:11 +0300 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200810031511.00683.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> <200810031511.00683.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E66FF3.8070301@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 03 October 2008 1:51:53 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty >> configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, >> juts some useful input configurations > > I have noticed that mine looks like this since a July update. Yet it works > nicely as set by the Settings GUI. Is it now storing the configuration > somewhere else? I don't see anything like /etc/X11/xorgconf.d > no, it still uses xorg.conf, but recent updates and development, has made xorg much better, that it can run even without xorg.conf at all! i guess you Art, are one of the people lucky enough to have an X friendly system. this, however, can't be said about me, since changing a byte in my xorg.conf renders my whole X server useless :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > > > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 > > > will be usable until then. > > > > Isn't that something that should be done /before/ making it the > > default? > > That is certainly debatable, but if KDE3 was delivered with Intrepid, > someone would have to spend developer time for that version for 18 months > according to the Canonical support promise. And if there are two KDE > versions to support, it simply doubles the necessary ressources which > doesn't make sense financially. Remember: Developer time = €€€. Yes, and like for me, and I would guess most of this list (I realize I am "ass"uming here, it nearly always gets me in trouble!) suported for "FREE" (as in free) Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 19:37:31 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:37:31 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E66F19.6080108@gmail.com> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> <48E64C75.1030909@sbcglobal.net> <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> <48E669BF.3070009@sbcglobal.net> <48E66F19.6080108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E6747B.8010701@sbcglobal.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >>>>>>> reply. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> steven at steven-laptop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf >>>> >>>> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using >>>> >>>> # values from the debconf database. >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. >>>> >>>> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* >>>> >>>> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg >>>> >>>> # package. >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated >>>> >>>> # again, run the following command: >>>> >>>> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "InputDevice" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Generic Keyboard" >>>> >>>> Driver "kbd" >>>> >>>> Option "XkbRules" "xorg" >>>> >>>> Option "XkbModel" "pc105" >>>> >>>> Option "XkbLayout" "us" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "InputDevice" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Configured Mouse" >>>> >>>> Driver "mouse" >>>> >>>> Option "CorePointer" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "InputDevice" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" >>>> >>>> Driver "synaptics" >>>> >>>> Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" >>>> >>>> Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" >>>> >>>> Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" >>>> >>>> Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "Device" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "Monitor" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Configured Monitor" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "Screen" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Default Screen" >>>> >>>> Monitor "Configured Monitor" >>>> >>>> Device "Configured Video Device" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> Section "ServerLayout" >>>> >>>> Identifier "Default Layout" >>>> >>>> Screen "Default Screen" >>>> >>>> InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" >>>> >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> hmmm... there isn't anything in there! this is an almost empty >>> configuration file, no screens defined, no graphic card, no nothing, >>> juts some useful input configurations. i wasn't following the thread >>> from it's begining, did steven mention what his graphic card is? >>> >>> >> My video card is ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]. >> >> >> > > in system settings, monitor and display, what is your screen identified > as? is it identified as plug & play monitor? if yes, change it to some > generic one. if it's LCD choose generic LCD with the appropriate screen > size, or in case it's CRT choose CRT with appropriate reolution size. > maybe this will add the missing screen section to your xorg.conf. > It is a laptop and those choices are not included. From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 19:56:39 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:56:39 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031530.28089.lists@ptfd.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810032032.05201.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031530.28089.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: > Yes, and like for me, and I would guess most of this list (I realize I am > "ass"uming here, it nearly always gets me in trouble!) suported for "FREE" (as > in free) > > Mike > > -- > Michael W. Holdeman The basic idea of open source is that you give and you get as you can. This is only free if you are a total leach. Most people I see on this list are helping others or at least submitting bug reports. The reason open source exists is because people like to program with or without pay. The payed devs are for the most part a new thing that has come with corporate acceptance of open source and LOTS of devs are not payed. Also Canonical is hoping to get payed out of all this at some point but many other distros don't work that way. I would not be totally shocked to see a fork of Kubuntu that supports KDE 3 into the future depending on how good or bad 8.10 turns out to be for main street. (Don't you love these media buzz words. :-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Fri Oct 3 20:00:22 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:00:22 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:39:35 -0400 Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 03 October 2008 9:57:12 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and > > KDE4 will be usable until then. > > Isn't that something that should be done /before/ making it the > default? > Its only the default for THIS issue. Linux is a community OS, and feedback for the developers gives them an opportunity to make it better, and therefore each issue will depend upon us testing it. Whether we like it or not, KDE 4 is the next development of KDE. KDE 4.1.2 represents the latest version of KDE. Try it, and give feedback to make future developments better. If you don't like it, then there are alternatives: Ubuntu (GNOME), Xubuntu (XFCE), OpenGEU (ENLIGHTENMENT). The only other way is to use a version of KDE that will (eventually) not be supported any more. So no, not every version of every desktop environment/window manager is totally usable. We help to make them better. -- Graham Todd From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 3 19:47:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:47:55 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3096091.xiRMSSchCj@cedar.serverforest.com> P Kapat wrote: > Aha, as someone else mentioned, this is where the problem is: most of > the applications as soon as they get ported to KDE4 will receive > *only* critical bug fixes for their KDE3 counterparts. Actually, if KDE 3 is anything to go by, you won't even get _critical_ bug fixes. There haven't been any significant improvements to KDE3 for years, because _all_ development was directed to KDE4. And the really annoying thing is that of all the KDE bug reports I've been subscribed to for all that time (almost all in kdepim), only one actually seems to have been fixed in KDE4. I love KDE, but when nobody will fix the problems in the applications we _currently_ use, I can't see it having a future. -- derek From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Oct 3 20:28:02 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:28:02 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <45328570.HjA8nk45uh@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <45328570.HjA8nk45uh@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E68052.2040001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Hi, > Or not :-) This is a debian-based distro - which means that just because > Ubuntu packages things up nicely in a semi-annual release, and provides a > clean upgrade path for doing that, doesn't mean you're bound to it. If you > want to upgrade everything _but_ KDE you can do that. Read about > apt-pinning, change your sources.list to point to 8.10, do "aptitude > update; aptitude full-upgrade --simulate" and see what you need to pin. It > won't be simple - but if you wanted simple you'd stick to Ubuntu releases. Good point. > >> 8.10 is not an LTS release and traditionally this is the time for more >> drastic changes. > > Except that 8.04 wasn't an LTS release for Kubuntu, either... Going a little OT here, but I never understood how this works. kubuntu is just ubuntu with a different default desktop right ? So if I install ubuntu 8.04 I have an LTS release. If I then install the KDE desktop do I still have an LTS release, or have I mysteriosuly lost this in the process .. Just pondering. > >> We need to drop KDE3 sometime, and for me, 8.10 + KDE >> 4.1.2 is as good a time as any to do this. > > +1 Chris From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Oct 3 20:35:16 2008 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:35:16 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E68052.2040001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <45328570.HjA8nk45uh@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E68052.2040001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20081003213516.0d3c78f1.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:28:02 +0100 Chris Jones wrote: CJ> > Except that 8.04 wasn't an LTS release for Kubuntu, either... CJ> CJ> Going a little OT here, but I never understood how this works. CJ> kubuntu is just ubuntu with a different default desktop right ? So CJ> if I install ubuntu 8.04 I have an LTS release. If I then install CJ> the KDE desktop do I still have an LTS release, or have I CJ> mysteriosuly lost this in the process .. Just pondering. The KDE part support will stop earlier than for gnome+core (I don't know if KDE support will stop at the normal duration for a regular *buntu release or if it will continue until support of KDE3 becomes impractical owing to discontinued support upstream). -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Oct 3 21:22:53 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:22:53 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E667A1.70206@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E65BB9.1000508@gmail.com> <48E667A1.70206@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810031722.53775.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 03 October 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: >  I am not comfortable with that for some reason; is there > a way to find my Video Card, other than Monitor & Display of System > Settings? hwinfo --gfxcard From tim at johnsons-web.com Fri Oct 3 23:55:16 2008 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:55:16 -0800 Subject: Not Restoring applications to multiple desktops Message-ID: <200810031555.16620.tim@johnsons-web.com> Hello: This request is second - hand: My business partner is using ver 8.04 In System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager he has the "Restore Previous Session" Option checked. When he restarts KDE, all applications he had open are restored, but they are all restored to desktop 1, instead of being distributed to the original desktops that were occupied. I'm using ver 7.10 and don't have this problem. Any suggestions? Thanks Tim From giovanni.cucca at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 01:24:29 2008 From: giovanni.cucca at gmail.com (Giovanni Cucca) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 03:24:29 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200810040324.44592.giovanni.cucca@gmail.com> On Friday 03 October 2008 22:00:22 Graham Todd wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:39:35 -0400 > > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Friday 03 October 2008 9:57:12 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > > > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and > > > KDE4 will be usable until then. > > > > Isn't that something that should be done /before/ making it the > > default? > > Its only the default for THIS issue. Linux is a community OS, and > feedback for the developers gives them an opportunity to make it > better, and therefore each issue will depend upon us testing it. > > Whether we like it or not, KDE 4 is the next development of KDE. KDE > 4.1.2 represents the latest version of KDE. Try it, and give feedback > to make future developments better. If you don't like it, then there > are alternatives: Ubuntu (GNOME), Xubuntu (XFCE), OpenGEU > (ENLIGHTENMENT). The only other way is to use a version of KDE that > will (eventually) not be supported any more. > > So no, not every version of every desktop environment/window manager is > totally usable. We help to make them better. > +1. Very good point. And by the way, I'm using Intrepid and KDE 4.1.2, and I'm liking that very much. > -- > Graham Todd Giovanni -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 01:29:00 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:29:00 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810030942.34983.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <200810030942.34983.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E6C6DC.9060100@dmiyu.org> Art Alexion wrote: > IMO, the choices are > * Use Gnome until KDE 4 works reliably, and > * hope that KDE 4 is fixed before Joey Jackal (9.04) comes out so you don't > have a hard time upgrading from 8.04 * Use backports. * Use apt-pinning (as Derek explained). While there are some interdependencies to the packages it does not mean you have to always move everything forward en masse. Even so there are always people who backport the latest and greatest to previous versions to address situations just as this; where you want the majority of your system on one version but want selects apps to advance. Google on "ubuntu backports" yielded the following page as the top hit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only other way is to use a version of KDE that > will (eventually) not be supported any more. > So no, not every version of every desktop environment/window manager is > totally usable. We help to make them better. All of these are laudable, to be sure. But this misses the point of Ubuntu. This is an end-user oriented distribution. As such it is incumbent on Ubuntu (oh how I wish base Ubuntu would be called GUnuntu and be done with it) developers to ensure that the end product is usable, totally. People who come to this distribution, by and large, are not the same people who want to "give feedback to make future developments better". They want things to work. Look, I am no stranger to Linux, bug reporting, software development either from the outside or the inside. KDE4 is growing on me and 4.1.1 has been my default for my main Linux usage for the past several weeks. Even so I an on KUbuntu because I was tired of fighting with Debian to do things which I thought aught be simple. Have the proprietary drivers in a package. Not have to bang me head against X configurations every release. Sounds that works out of the box. In short, no tweaking, no "it'll get better next release". Operative word, the only one that matters, is WORKS. Telling people who are here for that word, that stuff WORKS, to tough it up and submit reports when there is a Viable, functional desktop that WORKS for them is counter productive. Quite frankly, those who are inclined to go along with your sentiment are the very same people who can deal with the additional step of installing from am alternative CD or installing KDE4 post-install. The default should be set for the wider audience; not used to brow-beat that audience into a choice that clearly is not yet ready. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 02:10:29 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:10:29 -0700 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E6D095.2030703@dmiyu.org> P Kapat wrote: > In such large scale situations, shell scripts > become useless. Too many parameteres to take care of while writing > such a script - too much time investment! So, I use, OO.o Calc. Not > really clean but more than sufficient for my purpose. Erm. First off if shell can't handle it I'd call that a failing of shell and a poor choice to use it in the first place. Secondly it is hardly ever a poor time investment to script some tedious task to automate it to fit your needs exactly. #/usr/bin/python import csv csvfile = 'col.csv' csvout = 'row.csv' rows = csv.reader(open(csvfile,"b")) for row in rows: csvrows = row max_len = len(row) newcsv = [] for len in range(max_len - 1): makerow = [] for row in csvrows: try: makerow.append(row[len]) except: makerow.append('') newcsv.append(makerow) outfile = csv.writer(open(csvout,"bw")) for row in newcsv: outfile.writerow(row) Probably has bugs because it took me about 10m to write that completely off the top of my head. It could use some slight improvements but it is a proof-of-concept. Another 5 minutes and it could have a default set of files to transform or take a command-line argument and transform that single file. This will handle any CSV you throw at it and should, barring any off-the-cuff-by-memory bugs transform it from columns to rows (and back again!). Is this something that everyone can do presently? No, of course not. Did I spend time learning Python? Of course! But is that time wasted? Hardly. > And what is the "philosophy" behind requiring data in rows as opposed > to columns? In writing the above script I can see a possible reason. If we're talking an array of arrays the X axis (rows) are a single array while the Y access is a cross-section of elements from multiple arrays. > Lastly, this issue plagues every spreadsheet application on the planet > except MS Excel 2007 (it existed in XP/2003 version too, but they > fixed it in the "fancier" 2007 version ): Hard restrictions on the > number of rows and columns. I regularly deal with csv files with more > than 100K rows. All spreadsheet apps (OO.o Cacl, KSpread, ....) have a > upper bound of 65536 (= 2^16) rows. There is some low level machine - > optimization reason to it, which I am not entirely aware of. No. There is a high level one; it's called a database. Generally speaking when you handling more than a couple thousand elements you're better of learning the basics of a database and using it for storage/retrieval of data instead of a flat text file. I believe the thinking is that if you're going to use more than 16 bits worth of storage you're on a large enough project to warrant using a real database instead of an ad-hoc one. But... > Of course, these are technical data and a spreadsheet is not the right > application for this. I know, I use R/Matlab for data analysis and > PostgreSQL for storing these data. But hey I had to invest time behind > setting up a postgres server and learning some elementary sql to just > "see" the data. ...you knew that. Yes, you had to put in some time to "see" the data but the time saved from the proper application of that knowledge is return to you many magnitudes over. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 02:20:07 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:20:07 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810031632.16390.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E5EC08.1050105@dmiyu.org> <200810031632.16390.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E6D2D7.2030109@dmiyu.org> Valter Mura wrote: > The system started without big problems. It's not so fast as 3.5.x, obviously, > but my suspect is that I could have problems with my graphics card, which is > bad and slow (ATI 9200SE 128MB). This could be explained by the fact that the LiveCD probably does not use the proprietary graphics drivers. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 02:22:21 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:21 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E63C4C.1020405@comcast.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031123.07399.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E5EC08.1050105@dmiyu.org> <200810031632.16390.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E63C4C.1020405@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48E6D35D.8080403@dmiyu.org> Ian L. Target wrote: > Is it not rather Microsoft-ish, this > trend of getting bigger and bigger and bigger? You do realize that the image for Ibex is smaller than the image for Heron? :) > Why upgrade if it is going to make your system slower? LiveCDs, as explained in my previous message, are not a good indicator of system speed. Not only are proprietary graphic drivers not installed thus slowing down screen refreshes the throughput of most CD/DVD drives is far below those of modern HDs thus increasing load times. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 06:02:40 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:02:40 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> Message-ID: <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> Christopher Rob JONES wrote: >> The whole point of having a computer is so that it functions and you >> get work done. I would love to see 4 take off and do well but have yet >> to read a review that says it is wonderful and just as usable and >> stable as 3. Until then at least let me pick! > > You can choose. If you want KDE3 stick with the LTS 8.04 release ;) > > 8.10 is not an LTS release and traditionally this is the time for more > drastic changes. We need to drop KDE3 sometime, and for me, 8.10 + KDE > 4.1.2 is as good a time as any to do this. > > Chris > > I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04 is NOT LTS due to the shift from KDE3 to KDE4. Ubuntu Gnome however is. We had a long discussion re. that issue at release time. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 06:03:34 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:03:34 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48E70736.5050705@gmail.com> Ian L. Target wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Kubuntu 8.10 beta 1 has been released. Contains KDE 4.1.2 whether you >> like it or not. Link: >> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta >> >> I would much have preferred another "stable KDE3" and "KDE4 trial" as in >> 8.04 - but I am not a Kubuntu developer... >> >> Sinclair >> > > Will there be the ability to remove KDE 4.1.2 and install KDE 3.5.10 in > Kubuntu 8.10? Not as I understand it, you would then have to stay w 8.04 From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 06:40:36 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:40:36 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E70FE4.7090002@dmiyu.org> O. Sinclair wrote: > I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for > production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04 > is NOT LTS due to the shift from KDE3 to KDE4. Ubuntu Gnome however is. > We had a long discussion re. that issue at release time. Er, there was no shift. The base install of KUbuntu 8.04 is KDE 3.5.9. You need to select the alternative download for KDE4. If the KUbuntu developers wanted to make a shift they certainly did not convey it to the rest of the world on the official web site. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 06:32:01 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:32:01 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E6CFC6.2050602@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> <48E6CFC6.2050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810040832.01994.kassube@gmx.net> Michael wrote: > Nicely put. I have no desire to be a beta tester. And as was already > mentioned earlier in the thread, you might as well stick with that > Redmond, WA operating system if you are going to continually "upgrade." Well, Windows isn't the only alternative to Kubuntu. There are several *Ubuntu versions and other Linux distributions available. Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 07:56:58 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:56:58 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: >> So no, not every version of every desktop environment/window manager is >> totally usable. We help to make them better. > > All of these are laudable, to be sure. But this misses the point of > Ubuntu. This is an end-user oriented distribution. As such it is incumbent > on Ubuntu (oh how I wish base Ubuntu would be called GUnuntu and be done with > it) developers to ensure that the end product is usable, totally. People who > come to this distribution, by and large, are not the same people who want to > "give feedback to make future developments better". They want things to work. Hole in one, nail on the head, this is *Ubuntu. I use it because I don't want Gentoo style hacking. I don't want to hack my OS. I want to hack my game program that I am writing. *ubuntu stands for "Just works", I think that is why they have become so big. I stated linux to escape the blue screen of death. I started Ubuntu to escape system hacking but have the latest and greatest software. I wonder why the really did this. Maybe to stay in step and pace with the other big names Linuxes that are using 4? They don't want to look like they are behind the times? I would think that they would look at all the flack that KDE got for releasing to soon and learn a thing or two. This move is sort of like a writer of a long running and successful TV show changing the hero for new one mid-season. If 8.10, "Just Works", as well as and as fast as 8.04 then you can forget anything I said about the devs being boneheads and I tip my hat to them for pulling it off. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From valtermura at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 09:01:52 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:01:52 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E6D35D.8080403@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E63C4C.1020405@comcast.net> <48E6D35D.8080403@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810041101.52496.valtermura@gmail.com> Il sabato 4 ottobre 2008 04:22:21 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > Ian L. Target wrote: > > Is it not rather Microsoft-ish, this > > trend of getting bigger and bigger and bigger? > > You do realize that the image for Ibex is smaller than the image for > Heron? :) > > > Why upgrade if it is going to make your system slower? > > LiveCDs, as explained in my previous message, are not a good indicator > of system speed. Not only are proprietary graphic drivers not installed > thus slowing down screen refreshes the throughput of most CD/DVD drives is > far below those of modern HDs thus increasing load times. I agree with you Steve. As I'm not very skilled with manual (read: console) tuning/resolution of problems, I use to try a live cd to test the versions, and I always found them slower that the installed ones (I think in my case due to the low speed of my drives and only 768 MB of RAM, plus a poor grafic card). In any case, as already explained, I need the new version because I participate in both localization groups, KDE and Ubuntu, so I need to check several programs and OS GUIs on the fly. Regards -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 09:08:12 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:08:12 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041101.52496.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E63C4C.1020405@comcast.net> <48E6D35D.8080403@dmiyu.org> <200810041101.52496.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> Valter Mura wrote: > In any case, as already explained, I need the new version because I > participate in both localization groups, KDE and Ubuntu, so I need to check > several programs and OS GUIs on the fly. For stuff like that why not VBox it? No sense in mucking up your work environment when you can put a development environment in a VM which you can destroy without worry and install anything you need to look at at the time without fear of breaking anything you actually use. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 10:04:47 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:04:47 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041101.52496.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> Il sabato 4 ottobre 2008 11:08:12 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > Valter Mura wrote: > > In any case, as already explained, I need the new version because I > > participate in both localization groups, KDE and Ubuntu, so I need to > > check several programs and OS GUIs on the fly. > > For stuff like that why not VBox it? No sense in mucking up your work > environment when you can put a development environment in a VM which you > can destroy without worry and install anything you need to look at at the > time without fear of breaking anything you actually use. This is why I need your help :-) I've never thought on that and, as I don't know if I'm able to setup it. What exactly do I have to install? VirtualBox? -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 4 10:10:01 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:10:01 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041101.52496.valtermura@gmail.com> <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E740F9.4030608@dmiyu.org> Valter Mura wrote: > What exactly do I have to install? VirtualBox? That is one option, yes. However I am a bad person to give advice on installing and running VirtualBox on an Ubuntu host. I use VBox on my WinXP machine(s) to run Ubuntu guests. I use the pre-compiled PEUL versions for Windows so my experience on getting VBox OSE running on Ubuntu is less than nil. :( -- Steve C. 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Has anyone seen this problem? Solution? Paul From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 4 11:58:04 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:58:04 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48E75A4C.4010907@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: >>> So no, not every version of every desktop environment/window manager is >>> totally usable. We help to make them better. >>> >> All of these are laudable, to be sure. But this misses the point of >> Ubuntu. This is an end-user oriented distribution. As such it is incumbent >> on Ubuntu (oh how I wish base Ubuntu would be called GUnuntu and be done with >> it) developers to ensure that the end product is usable, totally. People who >> come to this distribution, by and large, are not the same people who want to >> "give feedback to make future developments better". They want things to work. >> > > Hole in one, nail on the head, this is *Ubuntu. I use it because I > don't want Gentoo style hacking. I don't want to hack my OS. I want to > hack my game program that I am writing. *ubuntu stands for "Just > works", I think that is why they have become so big. I stated linux to > escape the blue screen of death. I started Ubuntu to escape system > hacking but have the latest and greatest software. > > I wonder why the really did this. Maybe to stay in step and pace with > the other big names Linuxes that are using 4? They don't want to look > like they are behind the times? I would think that they would look at > all the flack that KDE got for releasing to soon and learn a thing or > two. > > This move is sort of like a writer of a long running and successful TV > show changing the hero for new one mid-season. If 8.10, "Just Works", > as well as and as fast as 8.04 then you can forget anything I said > about the devs being boneheads and I tip my hat to them for pulling it > off. > > I don't think you can really blame it on (K)Ubuntu, or maybe shouldn't. After all, the Kubuntu team did release 8.04 in both flavors of KDE. They should get some thanks for that. IMHO, the problem stems from the KDE devel team. Because several of the major distro's were getting major releases ready at about the same time they rushed to release KDE4 before it was ready. I'm sure that with time KDE4 will come to be everyone's favorite desktop. If everyone will just calm down and give it a chance to "grow up". From a few comments I've heard KDE3 was NOT a great choice when it was first released. [ I'm a relative newcomer - KDE3 has been the only version since I started my migration ] Before you ask, No, I haven't tried KDE4 as yet. I'm considering a fresh install on another hard drive when Kubuntu 8.10 is released. No beta's. I'm a computer hack, not a computer hacker. Give me a pile of parts and I can plug it all together to make the box but what makes it all come alive is pretty much a mystery to me. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From slewin at bmts.com Sat Oct 4 12:07:57 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:07:57 -0400 Subject: Hide Backup Files Message-ID: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> Hi everyone, is there way to have the backup files, files with a ~, not show up by default in Konqueror. I love having the backup files, but 99% of the time they are just in the way. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 4 12:24:54 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:24:54 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E6CFC6.2050602@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> <48E6CFC6.2050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E76096.5060105@swbell.net> Michael wrote: > Nicely put. I have no desire to be a beta tester. And as was already > mentioned earlier in the thread, you might as well stick with that > Redmond, WA operating system if you are going to continually "upgrade." > > My two cents. Virtually every distro I have looked at has a "commercial" Linux release. [ Designed for business use. ] This is their "bread and butter". The commercial release generally lags a bit behind what most of us use everyday. SO, in effect "we" are the beta testers for the commercial release if "we" use the free downloadable releases. "They" try all the newest stuff out on us before they put it into the commercial release. The bottom line is that if you don't want to be a "beta tester" buy the commercial release. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 12:36:55 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:36:55 +0300 Subject: Hide Backup Files In-Reply-To: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> References: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48E76367.5050307@gmail.com> Scott wrote: > Hi everyone, > > is there way to have the backup files, files with a ~, not show up by > default in Konqueror. I love having the backup files, but 99% of the > time they are just in the way. > i'm afraid i don't have a direct answer to how to hide files ending with ~, but in kwrite's and kate's settings, there's an ption to change the naming of backups. if in one of these programs, you go to settings ---> configure kate/kwrite ---> open/save ---> advanced . there, you will notice a field called suffix, and have the tilde (~) in it, you can leave it as it is if you want to , and in the prefix field, put a dot (.) , all files are starting with a dot are usually hidden, this will make kate and kwrite create hidden backups. hope this helps. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you read planetkde.org, you would be aware that there has been quite some criticism about distributions rushing into KDE 4 before 4.2. So the blame is entirely on the distributors side. > Because several of the > major distro's were getting major releases ready at about the same time > they rushed to release KDE4 before it was ready. I'm sure that with time > KDE4 will come to be everyone's favorite desktop. If everyone will just > calm down and give it a chance to "grow up". From a few comments I've > heard KDE3 was NOT a great choice when it was first released. [ I'm a > relative newcomer - KDE3 has been the only version since I started my > migration ] Thanks a lot, Billie! Let me tune in with you and address all others who seem to be here only to complain: If you want a running stable system, stay with 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10. Period. Is it a new sport to install unstable software clearly marked as such and then complain it is _not_ stable? I'm fed off with people who only complain, but with their behavior are fully responsible if their system is not stable. Nobody forces anybody to use 8.10. If you do, cope with it, else shut up. BTW: All releases after a LTS form Ubuntu are "bleeding edge", if you read the announcements, this has been made clear. If you are not comfortable with bleeding edge software, simply don't run it. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 12:53:01 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:53:01 -0400 Subject: Not Restoring applications to multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <200810031555.16620.tim@johnsons-web.com> References: <200810031555.16620.tim@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810040553l7161dbb2s96ddb64360d14e0d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Tim Johnson wrote: > Hello: > This request is second - hand: My business partner is using ver 8.04 > In System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager he has > the "Restore Previous Session" Option checked. When he restarts > KDE, all applications he had open are restored, but they are all restored > to desktop 1, instead of being distributed to the original desktops > that were occupied. > > I'm using ver 7.10 and don't have this problem. > Any suggestions? I run both Ubuntu and Kubuntu versions of 8.04. Both have Compiz enabled. KDE on the Kubuntu boxes is 3.5.10. I have your friends problem on the Kubuntu boxes, but not on the Ubuntu box. In gnome everything is restored to its prior desktop. As a side note. Ubuntu starts with Compiz loaded as part of the restoration, and I can use the desktop switcher applet or rotate the cube. On kubuntu, Compiz never restores. I have to manually load the Compiz Icon and restart the desktop. If I try to use the desktop switcher, KDE thinks I only have one desktop. > Thanks > Tim > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 13:47:32 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:47:32 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E70FE4.7090002@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5DF30.5090501@bielenberg.id.au> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> <48E70FE4.7090002@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48E773F4.4040008@gmail.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for >> production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04 >> is NOT LTS due to the shift from KDE3 to KDE4. Ubuntu Gnome however is. >> We had a long discussion re. that issue at release time. > > Er, there was no shift. The base install of KUbuntu 8.04 is KDE 3.5.9. > You need to select the alternative download for KDE4. If the KUbuntu > developers wanted to make a shift they certainly did not convey it to the rest > of the world on the official web site. > > As I remember it there was a loooong thread re why Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS and the reason given was that the shift to KDE4 would not make long term support feasible for KDE 3.5.whatever. As for what version was "main version" on Kubuntu 8.04 it matters little for the fact that 8.10 will be KDE4 only. Note that I am not saying we/Kubuntu should stay on 3.5.x forever, only that I would like a really production-ready KDE4 before the "full swap" is made. In other words I would have liked the same approach to 8.10 as to 8.04. A stable 3.5.x version and a "bleeding edge" 4.1.x version. Sinclair From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 13:51:11 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:51:11 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810040851.15276.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 05:04:47 Valter Mura wrote: > Il sabato 4 ottobre 2008 11:08:12 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > > Valter Mura wrote: > > > In any case, as already explained, I need the new version because I > > > participate in both localization groups, KDE and Ubuntu, so I need to > > > check several programs and OS GUIs on the fly. > > > > For stuff like that why not VBox it? No sense in mucking up your > > work environment when you can put a development environment in a VM which > > you can destroy without worry and install anything you need to look at at > > the time without fear of breaking anything you actually use. > > This is why I need your help :-) > I've never thought on that and, as I don't know if I'm able to setup it. > > What exactly do I have to install? VirtualBox? > > -- > Valter > Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org > Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com > Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org > "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" I use (and very much like) Virtualbox. Not really for anything serious, I'm trying to teach myself Slackware, playing around with Haiku, stuff like that. But it's surprisingly snappy, even on my Pentium D desktop with 1Gb of RAM and Intel graphics. Anyway, here's a couple of good pages to get you started. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-virtualbox-2.0.0-on-ubuntu-8.04-desktop enjoy- pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 13:52:56 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:52:56 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E75A4C.4010907@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810040852.56210.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 07:41:30 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Thanks a lot, Billie! Let me tune in with you and address all others > who seem to be here only to complain: > > If you want a running stable system, stay with 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10. > Period. Is it a new sport to install unstable software clearly marked > as such and then complain it is _not_ stable? +1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 13:55:59 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:55:59 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E70736.5050705@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <48E70736.5050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810040855.59209.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 01:03:34 O. Sinclair wrote: > Ian L. Target wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Kubuntu 8.10 beta 1 has been released. Contains KDE 4.1.2 whether you > >> like it or not. Link: > >> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta > >> > >> I would much have preferred another "stable KDE3" and "KDE4 trial" as in > >> 8.04 - but I am not a Kubuntu developer... > >> > >> Sinclair > > > > Will there be the ability to remove KDE 4.1.2 and install KDE 3.5.10 in > > Kubuntu 8.10? > > Not as I understand it, you would then have to stay w 8.04 This reminds me... 1. Is the KDE3 desktop/application suite still included in 8.10? 2. What about the package naming conventions? Until now, most of the KDE4 packages have been named $FOO-KDE4, to differentiate them from the KDE3 packages. That's not how Debian's been doing it; they've just been keeping KDE4 in Experimental (still? I dunno). So my question here is "Is it going to be a PITA to upgrade my 8.04-KDE4 installation to 8.10?" -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are not > comfortable with bleeding edge software, simply don't run it. However there is a tiny problem here. Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS, so if I want LTS I would have to return to 6.06. IIRC, support for Kubuntu 6.06 will stop sometime next year but then there will be no newer Kubuntu LTS available. Anyway, for me it isn't a real problem because Kubuntu 8.04 is good enough even without the LTS mark. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 13:37:07 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:37:07 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810041537.07522.kassube@gmx.net> Valter Mura wrote: > Il sabato 4 ottobre 2008 11:08:12 Steve Lamb ha scritto: > > Valter Mura wrote: > > > In any case, as already explained, I need the new version because I > > > participate in both localization groups, KDE and Ubuntu, so I need > > > to check several programs and OS GUIs on the fly. > > > > For stuff like that why not VBox it? No sense in mucking up your > > work environment when you can put a development environment in a VM > > which you can destroy without worry and install anything you need to > > look at at the time without fear of breaking anything you actually > > use. > > This is why I need your help :-) > I've never thought on that and, as I don't know if I'm able to setup > it. > > What exactly do I have to install? VirtualBox? Yes, install VirtualBox and then create VMs for each OS you want to use. If you need USB support, you need the PUEL version available at . That version has some more additional features which aren't available for the GPL version. If you only need the GPL version, you can install it from the Ubuntu repositories. Nils From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 13:59:12 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:59:12 -0500 Subject: krunner (kde4) question In-Reply-To: <200810040620.16029.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200810040620.16029.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810040859.12213.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 05:20:15 Paul Kaplan wrote: > In kde 3.5, entering "kdesu " in the earlier equivalent of krunner > resulted in the command being run suid root, the same as running "sudo > " in a terminal. > > In kubuntu 8.04, running kdesu in krunner in kde4.1 seems at best > inconsistent. Sometimes the command executes (as in calling konqueror) and > sometimes it doesn't (as in calling dolphin). Nevertheless, sudo works > fine. In kubuntu 8.10, kdesu in krunner doesn't seem to work at all. > > Has anyone seen this problem? Solution? > > Paul Yes, I've seen it. No, I don't have an answer. For instance, I get "kdesu: command not found" when I try to kdesu qtparted through krunner, but as you noted, not when I run it through a shell. I have the suspicion that there's a command list for kdesu hiding somewhere that's munging this up, but the man page for kdesu is no help. Anybody else? -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 14:28:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:28:22 +0300 Subject: krunner (kde4) question In-Reply-To: <200810040859.12213.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <200810040620.16029.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200810040859.12213.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E77D86.7040203@gmail.com> p.daniels wrote: > On Saturday October 4 2008 05:20:15 Paul Kaplan wrote: >> In kde 3.5, entering "kdesu " in the earlier equivalent of krunner >> resulted in the command being run suid root, the same as running "sudo >> " in a terminal. >> >> In kubuntu 8.04, running kdesu in krunner in kde4.1 seems at best >> inconsistent. Sometimes the command executes (as in calling konqueror) and >> sometimes it doesn't (as in calling dolphin). Nevertheless, sudo works >> fine. In kubuntu 8.10, kdesu in krunner doesn't seem to work at all. >> >> Has anyone seen this problem? Solution? >> >> Paul > > Yes, I've seen it. No, I don't have an answer. For instance, I get "kdesu: > command not found" when I try to kdesu qtparted through krunner, but as you > noted, not when I run it through a shell. I have the suspicion that there's a > command list for kdesu hiding somewhere that's munging this up, but the man > page for kdesu is no help. Anybody else? > > -p. > > and maybe it's an environment problem. maybe root has different PATH than normal user, which causes kdesu to not find the programs. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you read planetkde.org, you would be > aware that there has been quite some criticism about distributions > rushing into KDE 4 before 4.2. So the blame is entirely on the > distributors side. > > No, I feel like it's up to KDE. Why else would you make something that is obviously a beta, or "RC" at best, the "Release". They rushed the release to meet distro deadlines. (K)Ubuntu realized it wasn't ready for prime time so declined to make 8.04 and LTS and released with both versions of KDE. Whether 4.1.1 is ready for prime time and should be the only (K)Ubuntu release, well............................ -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 14:34:58 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:34:58 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E77DE4.5060300@swbell.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E77DE4.5060300@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810040934.59291.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 09:29:56 Billie Walsh wrote: > No, I feel like it's up to KDE. Why else would you make something that > is obviously a beta, or "RC" at best, the "Release". They rushed the > release to meet distro deadlines. (K)Ubuntu realized it wasn't ready for > prime time so declined to make 8.04 and LTS and released with both > versions of KDE. Whether 4.1.1 is ready for prime time and should be > the only (K)Ubuntu release, well............................ We've been over this like fifty million times on this list. Either you agree with the KDE team's rationale or you don't. 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So the blame is entirely on the > > distributors side. > > No, I feel like it's up to KDE. Why else would you make something that > is obviously a beta, or "RC" at best, the "Release". They rushed the > release to meet distro deadlines. (K)Ubuntu realized it wasn't ready for > prime time so declined to make 8.04 and LTS and released with both > versions of KDE. Whether 4.1.1 is ready for prime time and should be > the only (K)Ubuntu release, well............................ > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. No, Canonical, not the Kubuntu developers, decided on Kubuntu not being LTS.. In the FOSS world, how do get ready for the prime time? By having people USE the 'product'. In terms of Kubuntu, you have the most stable version of Ubuntu, the most stable version of KDE in 8.04 (LTS or not, this is still true. And don't forget, LTS means *security* updates for 3 years). Then you release the next version with the new desktop while the previous desktop still has support. AND provide the new desktop to 8.04 users as well. That's how you get to a rock- solid base. Anyone remember the problems in Edgy, Feisty or Gutsy with all the underhood changes going on there? As Myriam noted earlier, non-LTS releases are meant to be bleeding edge. -- Clay Weber From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 14:51:07 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:51:07 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E773F4.4040008@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E70FE4.7090002@dmiyu.org> <48E773F4.4040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810041651.07613.kassube@gmx.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > As for what version was "main version" on Kubuntu 8.04 it matters > little for the fact that 8.10 will be KDE4 only. Note that I am not > saying we/Kubuntu should stay on 3.5.x forever, only that I would like > a really production-ready KDE4 before the "full swap" is made. In other > words I would have liked the same approach to 8.10 as to 8.04. A stable > 3.5.x version and a "bleeding edge" 4.1.x version. When there was still a KDE3 version available for 8.10, only few people would test KDE4 and help improve the new version. In the end that would take more time until KDE4 is usable (whatever you call usable). Therefore I think it is reasonable to completely switch to KDE4 with Intrepid. Nils From slewin at bmts.com Sat Oct 4 15:26:52 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:26:52 -0400 Subject: Hide Backup Files In-Reply-To: <48E76367.5050307@gmail.com> References: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> <48E76367.5050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E78B3C.4000908@bmts.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > (.) , all files are starting with a dot are usually hidden, this will > make kate and kwrite create hidden backups. hope this helps. Thank you. Yea, I think this should do what I want. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 4 15:55:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:55:57 -0300 Subject: Hide Backup Files References: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> Message-ID: <4412760.R672Z6vRBA@cedar.serverforest.com> Scott wrote: > Hi everyone, > > is there way to have the backup files, files with a ~, not show up by > default in Konqueror. I love having the backup files, but 99% of the > time they are just in the way. > There _used_ to be - the one directory I used to do something like this in, though, it isn't working any more, so I wonder if it's been completely ripped out of Kubuntu. When Edgy was released, there was a dot-file in the / directory that hid most of the contents - I believe it was just called .hidden, and files named in there (and possibly file globs like *~, but I'm not certain) would not appear in Konqueror. It turned out that people really, really, really hated this (actually, it wasn't a bad idea, but you can't just throw something like that into a release without warning the users!), and they didn't distribute that file in feisty and later - but I thought the principle still worked, however the only file named .hidden that I have has no apparent effect under Hardy. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 4 16:02:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:02:24 -0300 Subject: krunner (kde4) question References: <200810040620.16029.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200810040859.12213.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2439852.cXs2kdHxy8@cedar.serverforest.com> p.daniels wrote: > On Saturday October 4 2008 05:20:15 Paul Kaplan wrote: >> In kde 3.5, entering "kdesu " in the earlier equivalent of >> krunner resulted in the command being run suid root, the same as running >> "sudo " in a terminal. >> >> In kubuntu 8.04, running kdesu in krunner in kde4.1 seems at best >> inconsistent. Sometimes the command executes (as in calling konqueror) >> and sometimes it doesn't (as in calling dolphin). Nevertheless, sudo >> works fine. In kubuntu 8.10, kdesu in krunner doesn't seem to work at >> all. > > Yes, I've seen it. No, I don't have an answer. For instance, I get "kdesu: > command not found" when I try to kdesu qtparted through krunner, but as > you noted, not when I run it through a shell. I have the suspicion that > there's a command list for kdesu hiding somewhere that's munging this up, > but the man page for kdesu is no help. Anybody else? That seems highly unlikely. Much more likely is that it simply doesn't find those particular files on the path. Try "kdesu /full/path/to/app". -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 4 16:18:05 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:18:05 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E7327C.3060304@dmiyu.org> <200810041204.47179.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810041218.06327.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008, Valter Mura wrote: > This is why I need your help :-) > I've never thought on that and, as I don't know if I'm able to setup it. > > What exactly do I have to install? VirtualBox? If you have enough spare disk space to run VirtualBox, a better solution might be to carve out new partitions for the test system (8.10 in ths case) I have about 5 machines here and I always do fresh installs but also install to different partitions than the current system. That way I can a) copy stuff over from the current system to the new system as needed, and b) boot the old system either to work or to test something that doesn't seem to be working in the new release. The best of both worlds. From juankawada at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 18:30:24 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:30:24 -0600 Subject: dvds won't play, libdvdcss installed Message-ID: I have two dvd players, my old one recently broke, so I took it out today. Now when I try to play dvds in my new drive I get an error message saying that the dvd is encrypted and that I need to run "sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" to install a decryptor. Dvds played fine before. I've run sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh I've uninstalled kaffeine and reinstalled it and than tried "sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" again anyone know the problem? -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sat Oct 4 18:47:52 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:47:52 +0100 Subject: Wireless Connection Problems Message-ID: <20081004194752.2cbf36b6@graham-desktop> I'm having some problems with connecting with my HI-GRADE Model 332 laptop and its included Intel/PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card. Now this is the problem. At university, there is a "campus web" and the laptop connects effortlessly there, without any problems. At home, the laptop simply doesn't connect at all. I thought at first it was my placement, but as I live in a bungalow, it wasn't the line of sight that stopped the signal connecting. I took the laptop closer to my router: the laptop recognised the network but did not connect. The icon moved from the circling gear to the unplugged plug every time. So I changed over routers, and the same thing happened. I've thought about changing the wireless card, but the laptop is only on loan to me and opening it will void the warrenty, so its not an option. Can anybody suggest what's wrong? I'm using Kubuntu Hardy btw. -- Graham Todd From murray.dw at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 19:04:44 2008 From: murray.dw at gmail.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:04:44 -0400 Subject: Has anyone have ATI HD650 working on Ubuntu Message-ID: <613eb9d20810041204p38ea2be5gea5bc3aadc3f51e7@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have an ATI Wonder HD650 TV unit (USB based) which I had acquired prior to setting up Linux systems. 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Isn't a NON- LTS supposed to be a bit edgier than LTS releases? My entire office is running 4.1.2 as of yesterday, and secretaries, as well as the boss, all love it. Seems production ready to us, and as such, we are using it. Yes, there are bugs, but I, being able to type on the keyboard, have filed the bugs on bugs.kde.org. There's even a little menu item under "Help". How frickin' easy is that? The developers are even nice, even with a bit of bitching at them. If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos. 4 is ready, and to make sure it is, I have already filed over 30 bugs in the past few weeks. Some have already gotten addressed, and some are being triaged. Why not help instead of complaining? Yes, I know, you want something that just works, blah blah, but I want my hair back. Horses, beggars, etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Sat Oct 4 19:16:24 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:16:24 -0400 Subject: dvds won't play, libdvdcss installed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810041516.25147.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008 2:30:24 pm Juan Kawada wrote: > I have two dvd players, my old one recently broke, so I took it out today. > Now when I try to play dvds in my new drive I get an error message saying > that the dvd is encrypted and that I need to run "sudo > /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" to install a decryptor. > Dvds played fine before. > I've run sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh > I've uninstalled kaffeine and reinstalled it > and than tried "sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" again > > anyone know the problem? Here's what happened to me: > > And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing > > device link. > > Actually, it was neither.  I received an email today with a .wmv file as an > attachment.  When I tried to open the .wmv file with Kaffeine, I got a > message that some codecs were missing and did I want to install them.  I > said "OK" and it did.  Now not only can I run the .wmv video but the DVD > video also works.  The laptop, which could run the DVD video before can > also play the .wmv video. Try it and see if it works for you. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= Nepotism is relational. From dave at thefletchers.net Sat Oct 4 19:54:30 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:54:30 +0100 Subject: Wireless Connection Problems In-Reply-To: <20081004194752.2cbf36b6@graham-desktop> References: <20081004194752.2cbf36b6@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200810042054.38975.dave@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 04 Oct 2008, Graham Todd wrote: > I'm having some problems with connecting with my HI-GRADE Model 332 > laptop and its included Intel/PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card. Now > this is the problem. > > At university, there is a "campus web" and the laptop connects > effortlessly there, without any problems. At home, the laptop simply > doesn't connect at all. > > I thought at first it was my placement, but as I live in a bungalow, it > wasn't the line of sight that stopped the signal connecting. I took > the laptop closer to my router: the laptop recognised the network but > did not connect. The icon moved from the circling gear to the > unplugged plug every time. So I changed over routers, and the same > thing happened. > > I've thought about changing the wireless card, but the laptop is only > on loan to me and opening it will void the warrenty, so its not an > option. > > Can anybody suggest what's wrong? I'm using Kubuntu Hardy btw. > > -- > Graham Todd > > I've no idea what's wrong here, but I too have little mysteries with WiFi gadgets. My laptop is an old 2nd/3rd hand Toshiba Satellite without the WiFi adaptor fitted. I have two WiFi adaptors for it, a BlueNext BN-WD54G USB unit, and an Asus WL-107g Card Bus adaptor. Both of these work just fine at home, and at the home of a friend whose WiFi and computer I've set up. But at other locations such as the public WiFi access point we found in Spain, the USB unit works as usual and the Card Bus unit sees nothing. I've no idea at all why. It would be interesting to know if anybody else has similar experience. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 20:07:25 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:07:25 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: > If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos. 4 is ready, and to > make sure it is, I have already filed over 30 bugs in the past few weeks. > Some have already gotten addressed, and some are being triaged. Why not help > instead of complaining? Yes, I know, you want something that just works, > blah blah, but I want my hair back. Horses, beggars, etc. Your hair is gone but kde 3 is not and is an option, if someone had wanted to do it. I hope 4 works out for them. I think talking much more about this is rather pointless. October 30 we will see what happens. I find it rather interesting how aggressive a lot of the pro kde 4 only people are in their writing. I wonder why? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sat Oct 4 20:18:19 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:18:19 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <20081004211819.55816563@graham-desktop> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:56:58 +0200 Knapp wrote: > Hole in one, nail on the head, this is *Ubuntu. I use it because I > don't want Gentoo style hacking. I don't want to hack my OS. I want to > hack my game program that I am writing. *ubuntu stands for "Just > works", I think that is why they have become so big. I stated linux to > escape the blue screen of death. I started Ubuntu to escape system > hacking but have the latest and greatest software. [snipped] Well, that isn't what Linux, or the Ubuntu family, is supposed to be about. They are part of a bigger community where people give as well as receive. To make the software and the various distributions better there needs to be some input; we have always been beta testers. If thats not what you are prepared to be, don't use the latest and greatest bleeding edge software, like KDE4.1.2. If you want to use Linux software "that just works", try something like Debian stable. It won't have the latest and greatest software in it, but it will be tested until all the bugs are out of the system. And that takes a community effort. -- Graham Todd From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Oct 4 20:19:36 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:19:36 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810041619.36890.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008, Knapp wrote: > I find it rather interesting how aggressive a lot of the pro kde 4 > only people are in their writing. I wonder why? No idea. Both WMs are awesome. KDE 3 is just moving into the past. I may not be able to live with the Luna and Picture Frame plasmoids now...And now with the beta NVIDIA driver working, everything is stable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I received an email today with a .wmv file as an >> attachment. When I tried to open the .wmv file with Kaffeine, I got a >> message that some codecs were missing and did I want to install them. I >> said "OK" and it did. Now not only can I run the .wmv video but the DVD >> video also works. The laptop, which could run the DVD video before can >> also play the .wmv video. > > Try it and see if it works for you. > > -Jerry The smart ass in me is being held down. This is like the 4th separate time this has come up on this list in the last few months. I wish as a minimum people would stop giving bad advice and Google the answer up. Watch this turn out to be a new problem. LOL. Just remove (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules Then reboot your computer. All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems and will make ALL the software work. I Googled it because I forgot the file name and found that there is a LOT of bad advice out there about how to fix this problem!! I guess asking here is a good idea! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 20:39:04 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:39:04 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810041539.09805.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 15:07:25 Knapp wrote: > I find it rather interesting how aggressive a lot of the pro kde 4 > only people are in their writing. I wonder why? Well, I can only speak for myself (and yes, I'm one of the "pro-kde4" people, I guess), but I totally get sick of hearing the same complaints from the same people who then come right out and proudly say they aren't contributing a damn thing[1], and eventually I start to lose my temper with it. I found Brendan's reply a little more Slashdot and a little less Kubuntu-Users but that doesn't mean he's wrong. -p. [1]: I'm not implying that you're one of those people, just admitting that I myself have snapped at folks in other threads and forums on occasion, and that's why. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 20:43:00 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:43:00 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081004211819.55816563@graham-desktop> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> <20081004211819.55816563@graham-desktop> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Graham Todd wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:56:58 +0200 > Knapp wrote: > >> Hole in one, nail on the head, this is *Ubuntu. I use it because I >> don't want Gentoo style hacking. I don't want to hack my OS. I want to >> hack my game program that I am writing. *ubuntu stands for "Just >> works", I think that is why they have become so big. I stated linux to >> escape the blue screen of death. I started Ubuntu to escape system >> hacking but have the latest and greatest software. > [snipped] > > Well, that isn't what Linux, or the Ubuntu family, is supposed to be > about. They are part of a bigger community where people give as well > as receive. To make the software and the various distributions better > there needs to be some input; we have always been beta testers. If > thats not what you are prepared to be, don't use the latest and > greatest bleeding edge software, like KDE4.1.2. > > If you want to use Linux software "that just works", try something like > Debian stable. It won't have the latest and greatest software in it, > but it will be tested until all the bugs are out of the system. And > that takes a community effort. > > -- > Graham Todd Yes, community is what *ubuntu is about and having the latest and greatest but the fact that the stuff works without much problem is why it is being taken up en mass. You drop the "it just works" and you will loose most of the people that are coming to Linux through Ubuntu from Windows. Newbie don't want to fix a system or debug it, they want to use one and learn it. Like it or not Ubuntu is THE newbie system but there are a lot of other distros just waiting for it to slip up, Mandriva for example would love to get back the pack. Finding bugs is not what *ubuntu is about. That is what alpha and beta is about! Where on this page do you see anything about the user should expect his system to crash and that he should then fill out bug reports or that his system will be broken and not work because they are trying out new software? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu Lot of clipping but looks to be like they expect users to have as perfect an experience as is possible. "We issue a new desktop and server release every six months. That means you'll always have the latest and greatest applications that the open source world has to offer. Ubuntu is designed with security in mind. **** we make our very best work available to everyone on the same free terms. Everything you need comes on one CD, providing a complete working environment. The graphical installer enables you to get up and running quickly and easily. Once installed your system is immediately ready-to-use. On the desktop you have a full set of productivity, internet, drawing and graphics applications, and games. " Nothing about debugging here. And you know, I rather expect that 8,10 will just work. I still think they are taking a bad risk but I could easily be wrong. We will see. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 20:48:35 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:48:35 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041539.09805.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810041539.09805.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM, p.daniels wrote: > On Saturday October 4 2008 15:07:25 Knapp wrote: > >> I find it rather interesting how aggressive a lot of the pro kde 4 > >> only people are in their writing. I wonder why? > > Well, I can only speak for myself (and yes, I'm one of the "pro-kde4" > people, I guess), but I totally get sick of hearing the same complaints from > the same people who then come right out and proudly say they aren't > contributing a damn thing[1], and eventually I start to lose my temper with > it. I found Brendan's reply a little more Slashdot and a little less > Kubuntu-Users but that doesn't mean he's wrong. > > -p. > > [1]: I'm not implying that you're one of those people, just admitting that I > myself have snapped at folks in other threads and forums on occasion, and > that's why. > Who said that? I know I do what I can to help around here, so am not offended. I understand loosing ones temper, I just helped someone for the fourth time, not the same someone but yet another tread about a problem that was fixed. Yet when I went to Google my own answer, I had a hard time finding it among a whole lot of wrong or bad answers. Sometimes herds of people just drive you nuts! Gad I don't have to run a country or anything like that. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Oct 4 20:59:25 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:59:25 +0100 Subject: dvds won't play, libdvdcss installed In-Reply-To: References: <200810041516.25147.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <200810042159.25235.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Saturday 04 October 2008 21:24:21 Knapp wrote: > Just remove (rename it to something else with the word backup is > better) the file called > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > Then reboot your computer. > > All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems > and will make ALL the software work. That is, until you change the hardware again. Is this fixed in 8.10? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 21:16:35 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:16:35 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <20081004211819.55816563@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200810041616.37056.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday October 4 2008 15:43:00 Knapp wrote: > Yes, community is what *ubuntu is about and having the latest and > greatest but the fact that the stuff works without much problem is why > it is being taken up en mass. You drop the "it just works" and you > will loose most of the people that are coming to Linux through Ubuntu > from Windows. Newbie don't want to fix a system or debug it, they want > to use one and learn it. Like it or not Ubuntu is THE newbie system > but there are a lot of other distros just waiting for it to slip up, > Mandriva for example would love to get back the pack. Finding bugs is > not what *ubuntu is about. That is what alpha and beta is about! I agree that Ubuntu (Gnome) is "the n00b Linux," but Kubuntu (KDE) isn't and never has been. I don't recommend it to first-timers, do you? -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 4 21:22:37 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:22:37 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810041722.37862.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008 4:07:25 pm Knapp wrote: > > If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos. 4 is ready, and to > > make sure it is, I have already filed over 30 bugs in the past few weeks. > > Some have already gotten addressed, and some are being triaged. Why not > > help instead of complaining? Yes, I know, you want something that just > > works, blah blah, but I want my hair back. Horses, beggars, etc. > > Your hair is gone but kde 3 is not and is an option, if someone had > wanted to do it. I hope 4 works out for them. I think talking much > more about this is rather pointless. October 30 we will see what > happens. > > I find it rather interesting how aggressive a lot of the pro kde 4 > only people are in their writing. I wonder why? And you don't see the overall aggressiveness and whininess from those who continue to gripe and complain about something that isn't going to change in our distro as a factor in this? Maybe those of us using Intrepid (and perhaps KDE4 on Hardy) as their main desktop are having a hard time understanding the vitriol and repetition and fud being spread, often from folks who often haven't spent any real time with KDE4 *recently* or have read things from months ago that are either fixed or not relevant anymore. I myself find the endless rants silly, though I do know they are not meant to be mean or derogatory or negative in their true intent. I am neither pro-KDE4 nor am I a KDE3-uber-alles. I happen to like KDE4 more. I also see that if I plan on using KDE3 for a while longer, I am going to have to keep with that ancient, crusty thing from the Dark Ages :) called Hardy Heron (which I plan to do once my dead machines are revived). [OT] We just got the cube effect added into Kubuntu's Kwin effects today ;)[/OT] -- Clay Weber From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 4 21:38:05 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:38:05 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810041738.05988.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008, Knapp wrote: > Your hair is gone but kde 3 is not and is an option, if someone had > wanted to do it. I hope 4 works out for them. I think talking much > more about this is rather pointless. October 30 we will see what > happens. I find 8.10 to be a non-starter so far. (but yes, it is a beta) 1) My left arrow key on the keyboard doesn't work in 4.1. It works in a console level session. 2) I have yet to figure out how to configure my nic card. I usually assign static IP's. Can't do it. It does use dhcp ok so I can connect. 3) Too many things just don't work at all. Don't even show up. 4) It's terribly slow. So I'll try again when they get an RC release. From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 21:40:09 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:40:09 -0500 Subject: (KDE4) Where do the volume icons live? Message-ID: <200810041640.10723.teeahr1@gmail.com> I'm putting together an Oxygen icon set for Gmusicbrowser because I'm too sick to do outside and have nothing else going on this weekend. I can't seem to find the taskbar volume icons (the speaker with 0-4 green curved lines coming out of it). They don't seem to be Oxygen icons, or at least I can't find them. Help me, lazyweb! -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 4 22:01:44 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:01:44 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041738.05988.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041738.05988.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810041801.44854.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008 5:38:05 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2008, Knapp wrote: > > Your hair is gone but kde 3 is not and is an option, if someone had > > wanted to do it. I hope 4 works out for them. I think talking much > > more about this is rather pointless. October 30 we will see what > > happens. > > I find 8.10 to be a non-starter so far. (but yes, it is a beta) > > 1) My left arrow key on the keyboard doesn't work in 4.1. It works in a > console level session. > 2) I have yet to figure out how to configure my nic card. I usually assign > static IP's. Can't do it. It does use dhcp ok so I can connect. Are you able to access connection settings from clicking the knetworkmanager icon on your tray? > 3) Too many things just don't work at all. Don't even show up. Which things? > 4) It's terribly slow. I think this is one of the true problem area we have in Intrepid. Many people are seeing slower performance, while others are seeing better. Oddly my P4-M 2.0ghz laptop w/1gb ram, 32 mb ati mobility graphics feels noticeably snappier than KDE3 for me, and that is with kwin effect running in Intrepid, no compiz or anything in Hardy. > So I'll try again when they get an RC release. -- Clay Weber From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 23:32:12 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:32:12 -0400 Subject: kde4 mouse problem Message-ID: <200810041932.12446.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Has anyone had the problem of the mouse just disappearing from kde4.1? I haven't figured out what triggers this yet (anyone?), but there's no mouse on screen and no evidence that any active screen areas are triggered by moving an invisible mouse over them. The keyboard remains active so the only solution I've found is CTRL+ALT+Backspace (unless someone knows a command to "reload" the mouse. Paul From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 4 23:41:54 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:41:54 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041801.44854.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041738.05988.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810041801.44854.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200810041941.55168.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 04 October 2008, claydoh wrote: > > 1) My left arrow key on the keyboard doesn't work in 4.1.   It works in a > > console level  session. > > 2) I have yet to figure out how to configure my nic card.  I usually > > assign static IP's.  Can't do it.  It does use dhcp ok so I can connect. > > Are you able to access connection settings from clicking the > knetworkmanager icon on your tray? Sure.... and I set up a new connection using static IP, gateway, DNS, etc like always. Told it to "Connect and Save". Nothing changed. Still using the dhcp connection. I downed eth0 and brought it up again. No change. I restarted networking.... no change. > > > 3) Too many things just don't work at all.  Don't even show up. > > Which things? > Would like to leave this one... as I haven't played with it enough. I may not have loaded some of the pieces I tried to use. (like Digikam) > > 4) It's terribly slow. > > I think this is one of the true problem area we have in Intrepid. Many > people are seeing slower performance, while others are seeing better. Oddly > my P4-M 2.0ghz laptop w/1gb ram, 32 mb ati mobility graphics feels > noticeably snappier than KDE3 for me, and that is with kwin effect running > in Intrepid, no compiz or anything in Hardy. > Using it just as it installed. Haven't been able to find the desktop setup to check settings and maybe turn things down a bit for performance. But it seems to be very slow in bringing up programs, which really shouldn't be affected too much by desktop settings. From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Oct 5 08:11:38 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girard Henri) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:11:38 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E76096.5060105@swbell.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> <48E6CFC6.2050602@gmail.com> <48E76096.5060105@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1223194299.9559.3.camel@pc> very good beta release :) update-manager -d did it perfectly from hardy it's the first time it works without breaking ! two problems : i am on amd64 bits and the last kernel '27) doesn't work stay frozen second i can't install a fresh intrepid the kernel doesn't start :) thanks for this good job :) Le samedi 04 octobre 2008 à 07:24 -0500, Billie Walsh a écrit : > Michael wrote: > > Nicely put. I have no desire to be a beta tester. And as was already > > mentioned earlier in the thread, you might as well stick with that > > Redmond, WA operating system if you are going to continually "upgrade." > > > > My two cents. > > Virtually every distro I have looked at has a "commercial" Linux > release. [ Designed for business use. ] This is their "bread and > butter". The commercial release generally lags a bit behind what most of > us use everyday. SO, in effect "we" are the beta testers for the > commercial release if "we" use the free downloadable releases. "They" > try all the newest stuff out on us before they put it into the > commercial release. > > The bottom line is that if you don't want to be a "beta tester" buy the > commercial release. > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > > From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 5 17:26:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:26:20 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <1830957.5h85oeT7Hx@cedar.serverforest.com> Brendan wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >> I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for >> production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04 > > No offense intended, but who cares what you consider ready for production > computers? OK, I understand the frustration on both sides of the debate, but how can you say "No offense intended" and "Who cares?" in the same sentence. Saying you don't care about somebody else's considerations is guaranteed to give offense. At least when I offend, I don't try to pretend otherwise... > Isn't a NON-LTS supposed to be a bit edgier than LTS releases? That argument might carry some weight if kubuntu 8.04 had been an LTS release. It wasn't... I'm unaware of any actual policy to that effect, anyway. It's something that I first saw suggested _yesterday_. > Yes, there are bugs, but I, being able to type on the keyboard, have filed > the bugs on bugs.kde.org. And yet, that's not the right place to file bugs if you want to see them solved in Kubuntu... > If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos. Isn't that what he _said_ he was going to do? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 5 17:30:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:30:48 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> <48E75A4C.4010907@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5899671.PZgvJFHpDh@cedar.serverforest.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > If you want a running stable system, stay with 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10. > Period. Period? How long? > Is it a new sport to install unstable software clearly marked > as such and then complain it is not stable? Well, no, it's not. I've been familiar with the "sport" as long as I've been using Linux :-) Still, this is _not_ clearly marked "unstable". It's clearly marked "beta" - I've been in the software business for a few decades now, and I really expect beta to be _stable_ but no doubt with a few as-yet undiscovered bugs. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 5 17:32:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:32:16 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <20081004211819.55816563@graham-desktop> <200810041616.37056.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5843663.5ypV299jMI@cedar.serverforest.com> p.daniels wrote: > On Saturday October 4 2008 15:43:00 Knapp wrote: >> Yes, community is what *ubuntu is about and having the latest and >> greatest but the fact that the stuff works without much problem is why >> it is being taken up en mass. You drop the "it just works" and you >> will loose most of the people that are coming to Linux through Ubuntu >> from Windows. Newbie don't want to fix a system or debug it, they want >> to use one and learn it. Like it or not Ubuntu is THE newbie system >> but there are a lot of other distros just waiting for it to slip up, >> Mandriva for example would love to get back the pack. Finding bugs is >> not what *ubuntu is about. That is what alpha and beta is about! > > I agree that Ubuntu (Gnome) is "the n00b Linux," but Kubuntu (KDE) isn't > and never has been. I don't recommend it to first-timers, do you? Er... yes. It's a darn sight easier for a Windows user to understand KDE than Gnome (and it looks better...) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 5 17:42:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:42:55 -0300 Subject: Wireless Connection Problems References: <20081004194752.2cbf36b6@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <3315880.4vc1orfBfy@cedar.serverforest.com> Graham Todd wrote: > I'm having some problems with connecting with my HI-GRADE Model 332 > laptop and its included Intel/PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card. Now > this is the problem. > > At university, there is a "campus web" and the laptop connects > effortlessly there, without any problems. At home, the laptop simply > doesn't connect at all. Then clearly there's nothing intrinsically wrong with either your adapter or the network software. > I've thought about changing the wireless card, but the laptop is only > on loan to me and opening it will void the warrenty, so its not an > option. There's always Cardbus/ExpressCard/USB adapters... Not that I expect it to make a difference, since you connect fine on-campus. > Can anybody suggest what's wrong? I'm using Kubuntu Hardy btw. Not without your logs... -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 17:56:12 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:56:12 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1830957.5h85oeT7Hx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <1830957.5h85oeT7Hx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E8FFBC.1070806@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Brendan wrote: > >> On Saturday 04 October 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for >>> production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04 >> No offense intended, but who cares what you consider ready for production >> computers? > > OK, I understand the frustration on both sides of the debate, but how can > you say "No offense intended" and "Who cares?" in the same sentence. > Saying you don't care about somebody else's considerations is guaranteed to > give offense. At least when I offend, I don't try to pretend otherwise... > >> Isn't a NON-LTS supposed to be a bit edgier than LTS releases? > > That argument might carry some weight if kubuntu 8.04 had been an LTS > release. It wasn't... > > I'm unaware of any actual policy to that effect, anyway. It's something > that I first saw suggested _yesterday_. > >> Yes, there are bugs, but I, being able to type on the keyboard, have filed >> the bugs on bugs.kde.org. > > And yet, that's not the right place to file bugs if you want to see them > solved in Kubuntu... > actually yes it is. and if you filed it in launchpad, someone from the ubuntu bugsquad will link it upstream to bugs.kde.org. you have to keep in mind, that if a bug is solved in KDE it will be solved in kubuntu since that's where the devs get their packages from, from KDE! and producing a patch to the kubuntu version of KDE only is not a helpful way for the community, and very selfish actually. which also reminds me, that if you consider yourself, or want to be a helpful member of the community, and don't know much programming, you can actually help us in the ubuntu bugsquad, we lack members, and thousands of bugs are filed daily, it would be helpful if there is a lot of people helping us out. you can visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase for more info, or reach us in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel, freenode server. >> If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos. > > Isn't that what he _said_ he was going to do? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 5 17:39:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:39:38 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810041722.37862.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <26610682.UeCvxihboJ@cedar.serverforest.com> claydoh wrote: > And you don't see the overall aggressiveness and whininess from those who > continue to gripe and complain about something that isn't going to change > in our distro as a factor in this? I do - but I also think that the attitude that it's "something that isn't going to change in our distro" is the biggest factor. It seems clear to me, and many, that _user_ opinion has been largely ignored, and that's very sad. > Maybe those of us using Intrepid (and perhaps KDE4 on Hardy) as their > main desktop are having a hard time understanding the vitriol and > repetition and fud being spread, often from folks who often haven't spent > any real time with KDE4 *recently* or have read things from months ago > that are either fixed or not relevant anymore. I'm sure you're right - but one doesn't have to have actually tried the latest KDE4 to know you're not going to be happy with it. I'm subscribed to a dozen or more KDE bug reports - all going back more than a year - and ONE of them has actually been closed with the release of KDE4, and yet every one of them is imo a serious usability issue. Not a good record. I'm not nearly so much upset with KDE4 as with the general progress of KDE-PIM in the last 3 years (that is, absolutely zero because everything has been marked for correction in KDE4). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 5 18:13:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:13:42 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <1830957.5h85oeT7Hx@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E8FFBC.1070806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1436185.69Uq1yB7rI@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Brendan wrote: >> >>> Yes, there are bugs, but I, being able to type on the keyboard, have >>> filed the bugs on bugs.kde.org. >> >> And yet, that's not the right place to file bugs if you want to see them >> solved in Kubuntu... > > actually yes it is. No, it isn't. > and if you filed it in launchpad, someone from the > ubuntu bugsquad will link it upstream to bugs.kde.org. Of course they will. Even better if you do that yourself. > you have to keep > in mind, that if a bug is solved in KDE it will be solved in kubuntu > since that's where the devs get their packages from, from KDE! and > producing a patch to the kubuntu version of KDE only is not a helpful > way for the community, and very selfish actually. But that's not the way things work. Report bugs to Ubuntu. If you know enough, link them to upstream, but _always_ report bugs to Ubuntu. If you don't report them to Ubuntu, they'll get fixed eventually, but if you want bugs fixed in time for Intrepid, you need them in Launchpad. Kubuntu devs don't have time to be looking for every single bug reported upstream, they need to know what are real problems for _our_ users, now. -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 19:11:18 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:11:18 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <5843663.5ypV299jMI@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <20081004211819.55816563@graham-desktop> <200810041616.37056.teeahr1@gmail.com> <5843663.5ypV299jMI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > p.daniels wrote: > >> On Saturday October 4 2008 15:43:00 Knapp wrote: >>> Yes, community is what *ubuntu is about and having the latest and >>> greatest but the fact that the stuff works without much problem is why >>> it is being taken up en mass. You drop the "it just works" and you >>> will loose most of the people that are coming to Linux through Ubuntu >>> from Windows. Newbie don't want to fix a system or debug it, they want >>> to use one and learn it. Like it or not Ubuntu is THE newbie system >>> but there are a lot of other distros just waiting for it to slip up, >>> Mandriva for example would love to get back the pack. Finding bugs is >>> not what *ubuntu is about. That is what alpha and beta is about! >> >> I agree that Ubuntu (Gnome) is "the n00b Linux," but Kubuntu (KDE) isn't >> and never has been. I don't recommend it to first-timers, do you? > > Er... yes. It's a darn sight easier for a Windows user to understand KDE > than Gnome (and it looks better...) > -- > derek I have been keeping my head down but I totally agree with you. I have never heard that Gnome is better for nowbies ether. I started with KDE then tried Gnome because it was the root of Ubuntu, hated it and went back to KDE. I start everyone with both. I have yet to have someone like Gnome over KDE when they move from XP. I have never moved someone from an Apple but maybe they would like Gnome? I also have no idea why he thinks KDE is harder than Gnome. I would not call ether of them hard to use or install unless you have bad Linux hardware. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 5 21:33:13 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:33:13 +1000 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <26610682.UeCvxihboJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810041722.37862.claydoh@midmaine.com> <26610682.UeCvxihboJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> Derek Broughton wrote: > I'm not nearly so much upset with KDE4 as with the general progress of > KDE-PIM in the last 3 years (that is, absolutely zero because everything > has been marked for correction in KDE4). > Agreed, I really like Kontact when its working - great UI but its stability is atrocious particularly in cached IMAP mode. I go through phases of trying it every new release for a few weeks bu invariably it starts dying on me - the latest one (in KDE 4.1.1) ended up crashing everytime I tried to create a new message. So back to thunderbird which never crashes and works really well with IMAP. Which is a shame because Kontact integrates far better with KDE From jferrando at netplc.com Sun Oct 5 22:24:06 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:24:06 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810041722.37862.claydoh@midmaine.com> <26610682.UeCvxihboJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> Lindsay Mathieson escribió: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I'm not nearly so much upset with KDE4 as with the general progress of >> KDE-PIM in the last 3 years (that is, absolutely zero because everything >> has been marked for correction in KDE4). >> >> > > > > Agreed, I really like Kontact when its working - great UI but its > stability is atrocious particularly in cached IMAP mode. I go through > phases of trying it every new release for a few weeks bu invariably it > starts dying on me - the latest one (in KDE 4.1.1) ended up crashing > everytime I tried to create a new message. > > So back to thunderbird which never crashes and works really well with > IMAP. Which is a shame because Kontact integrates far better with KDE > > Agreed. Thunderbird does not even allow me to print properly, but it works great. Agreed too about IAMP mode in kmail. I hope we can get a decent fix about all this in KDE4 soon. From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 22:37:46 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:37:46 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> Message-ID: <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Sunday October 5 2008 17:24:06 Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > Lindsay Mathieson escribió: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I'm not nearly so much upset with KDE4 as with the general progress of > >> KDE-PIM in the last 3 years (that is, absolutely zero because everything > >> has been marked for correction in KDE4). > > > > Agreed, I really like Kontact when its working - great UI but its > > stability is atrocious particularly in cached IMAP mode. I go through > > phases of trying it every new release for a few weeks bu invariably it > > starts dying on me - the latest one (in KDE 4.1.1) ended up crashing > > everytime I tried to create a new message. > > > > So back to thunderbird which never crashes and works really well with > > IMAP. Which is a shame because Kontact integrates far better with KDE > > Agreed. Thunderbird does not even allow me to print properly, but it > works great. > Agreed too about IAMP mode in kmail. > I hope we can get a decent fix about all this in KDE4 soon. I'm surprised at these replies. The biggest winner for me on KDE4 has been Kontact, I find it much less crashy than on KDE3. IMAP is still dog slow, but that's not new and I attribute at least half of it to Gmail's horrible IMAP implementation. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I repartitioned this machine (which is something I cannot do) then that 2.5Gb would be lost to WinXP. Also there is the technical level involved. Installing VBox and getting it running is far safer than repartitioning a hard drive. Mess up a VBox install you're just frustrated. Mess up repartitioning the hard drive and you're frustrated and out all your data. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"You'll take it and you'll LIKE it!" Sorry, I still loathe dolphin. It literally PISSES me off every time I use it. I said it then and was basically told to shut up. Either they want our input or they don't. But when our input isn't what they want they shouldn't just ignore it and you (and others) certainly shouldn't berate us lamenting that we're being actively ignored. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually I would hope they verify the bug, try to reproduce it and, if possible, confirm it is upstream and not something that is unique to KUbuntu's default settings. If all bugs were addressed solely upstream we would not have a ton of local-only releases of packages. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But mailody isn't integrated into Kontact :( -- Clay Weber From mlsoft at videotron.ca Sun Oct 5 23:44:52 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:44:52 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810051944.53107.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Friday 03 October 2008 04:00:17 O. Sinclair wrote: > Kubuntu 8.10 beta 1 has been released. Contains KDE 4.1.2 whether you > like it or not. Link: > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta > > I would much have preferred another "stable KDE3" and "KDE4 trial" as in > 8.04 - but I am not a Kubuntu developer... > > Sinclair > If there is not a kde3 possibility in Intrepid officially, it will surely emerge from the dark, from someone like us who will 'backport' it from Hardy. I hope .... -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Oct 5 23:59:38 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:59:38 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810051944.53107.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810051944.53107.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <48E954EA.80908@dmiyu.org> Martin Laberge wrote: > If there is not a kde3 possibility in Intrepid officially, > it will surely emerge from the dark, from someone like us > who will 'backport' it from Hardy. Backport would be the other way. IE, a version in Intrepid that you want in Hardy. It would be ported "back" to the previous version. Forward is just porting. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From joelol75 at verizon.net Mon Oct 6 00:31:10 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:31:10 -0400 Subject: Wireless Connection Problems In-Reply-To: <3315880.4vc1orfBfy@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20081004194752.2cbf36b6@graham-desktop> <3315880.4vc1orfBfy@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E95C4E.8080307@verizon.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Graham Todd wrote: > > >> I'm having some problems with connecting with my HI-GRADE Model 332 >> laptop and its included Intel/PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card. Now >> this is the problem. >> >> At university, there is a "campus web" and the laptop connects >> effortlessly there, without any problems. At home, the laptop simply >> doesn't connect at all. >> > > Then clearly there's nothing intrinsically wrong with either your adapter or > the network software. > > >> I've thought about changing the wireless card, but the laptop is only >> on loan to me and opening it will void the warrenty, so its not an >> option. >> > > There's always Cardbus/ExpressCard/USB adapters... Not that I expect it to > make a difference, since you connect fine on-campus. > > >> Can anybody suggest what's wrong? I'm using Kubuntu Hardy btw. >> > > Not without your logs... > Not really helping fix your problem, but.... I've found that switching between many different wifi setups in different areas (WEP/WPA mixtures...) is much easier replacing network manager and its applet with Wicd Just add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://apt.wicd.net hardy extras then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wicd Wicd has many more features pertaining to managing many essid's and allowing them to auto connect if desired. It also manages wired networks as well. Please note this package conflicts with network manager and mn-applet and will remove them before installing itself... It may be a good idea to re-download these 2 or 3 packages from the repos and/or copy them out of /var/cache/apt/archives/ in case you need to reinstall them in case things get messed up and you lose your internet. Too bad Ubuntu/Kubuntu doesn't use Wicd by default. It truly is an amazingly simple and highly configurable network management utility. Hope this helps.... Joel. From kap4lin at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 05:15:06 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:15:06 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" Message-ID: Hi, When installing a package from source, we do "make install". Is there anyway to get the list of files that "make install" is going to install before actually installing them. This is not a kubuntu-specific issue, but I guess someone will know some trick! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From james at gray.net.au Mon Oct 6 06:35:39 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:35:39 +1100 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/10/2008, at 4:15 PM, P Kapat wrote: > When installing a package from source, we do "make install". Is there > anyway to get the list of files that "make install" is going to > install before actually installing them. This is not a > kubuntu-specific issue, but I guess someone will know some trick! Not exactly the answer to your question, but try installing "checkinstall" which automagically generates a .deb for whatever it is you are trying to compile. The basic idea is you replace the "make install" step with "checkinstall" instead. The general sequence of events goes like this: 1. sudo apt-get install checkinstall 2. Download you source tar ball, extract, etc 3. ./configure --with-any-options --etc 4. make 5. sudo checkinstall 6. sudo dpkg -i the-generated.deb Voila. Instead of #6, you could interrogate the package for what files it contains etc. The benefit of this approach is that if you ever want to get rid of the program, you can simply use the familiar apt/dpk/aptitude/synaptic/whateverFloatsYourBoat package management tools :) HTH, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sinclair) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:00:27 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E5F8E9.1000200@cern.ch> <48E70700.3020608@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <48E9D3AB.2000602@gmail.com> Brendan wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2008, O. Sinclair wrote: > > > I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for > > > production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04 > > No offense intended, but who cares what you consider ready for > production computers? You sound a bit like the guy who's never happy > anyway. Isn't a NON-LTS supposed to be a bit edgier than LTS releases? There were some assumptions made I must say... I got the quote from somewhere that KDE 4.2 will be "mainstream" whatever one reads into that statement. > My entire office is running 4.1.2 as of yesterday, and secretaries, as > well as the boss, all love it. Seems production ready to us, and as > such, we are using it. Yes, there are bugs, but I, being able to type on > the keyboard, have filed the bugs on bugs.kde.org. There's even a little > menu item under "Help". How frickin' easy is that? The developers are > even nice, even with a bit of bitching at them. good for you and the others but I will not push this on users that still are very much stuck in the Windows world. Nothing is bug-free but I don't feel that KDE4 is ready for novice users yet. > > If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos. I will... but I also want a number of other improvements said to be in 8.10 such as 3G-modem support, ppoe-support etc. And I am not sure as yet if I can upgrade to 8.10 but still stay with KDE3, it is unclear to me. 4 is ready, and to > make sure it is, I have already filed over 30 bugs in the past few > weeks. Some have already gotten addressed, and some are being triaged. > Why not help instead of complaining? Yes, I know, you want something > that just works, blah blah, but I want my hair back. Horses, beggars, etc. If you and others file 30 bugs in a week (and I guess you are not the only one) then I am even more certain that is not yet ready for the users I support. I think it is great that you, I and others can help out, yes I file bugs too when I think it is needed, but I would not want less computer-savvy users involved at this stage. I test KDE4 on a daily basis running it in VBox - and that is where I intend to keep it for now. As for your hair or mine I find it completely uninteresting and your opinions of who I might be is not only uninteresting to me but for the rest of the list as well. Sinclair From gloonie at earthlink.net Mon Oct 6 12:21:07 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:21:07 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> You can also do: make -n install or make -n install > output.txt 2>&1 which will just print out (or write to a file) what it's doing and not actually install. Glenn On Monday 06 October 2008 01:15:06 P Kapat wrote: > Hi, > > When installing a package from source, we do "make install". Is there > anyway to get the list of files that "make install" is going to > install before actually installing them. This is not a > kubuntu-specific issue, but I guess someone will know some trick! > > -- > Regards > PK > -------------------------------------- > http://counter.li.org #402424 From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 6 12:56:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:56:25 -0300 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" References: <200810060854.51045.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2070455.v34cEMz2Ro@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > P Kapat wrote: >> When installing a package from source, we do "make install". Is there >> anyway to get the list of files that "make install" is going to >> install before actually installing them. This is not a >> kubuntu-specific issue, but I guess someone will know some trick! > > If you don't get a better answer: Have a look at checkinstall (from the > package with the same name). It is a bash script which creates a .deb > package from your "make install" command. Therefore it should find out > which files were created by the "make install" command. That was going to be my suggestion for the "better answer" :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 6 12:57:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:57:43 -0300 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" References: Message-ID: <26035172.2YAojMBc5f@cedar.serverforest.com> James Gray wrote: > The benefit of this approach is that if you > ever want to get rid of the program, you can simply use the familiar > apt/dpk/aptitude/synaptic/whateverFloatsYourBoat package management > tools :) Oooh! I'm not familiar with "whateverFloatsYourBoat" - I'll have to give it a try :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 6 13:13:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:13:32 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041509.34759.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810041722.37862.claydoh@midmaine.com> <26610682.UeCvxihboJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> Message-ID: <1875285.FRHHACqQEj@cedar.serverforest.com> (Funny that kontact crashed while I was trying to respond to this...) Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > Lindsay Mathieson escribió: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> I'm not nearly so much upset with KDE4 as with the general progress of >>> KDE-PIM in the last 3 years (that is, absolutely zero because everything >>> has been marked for correction in KDE4). >> >> Agreed, I really like Kontact when its working - great UI but its >> stability is atrocious particularly in cached IMAP mode. I go through >> phases of trying it every new release for a few weeks bu invariably it >> starts dying on me - the latest one (in KDE 4.1.1) ended up crashing >> everytime I tried to create a new message. >> >> So back to thunderbird which never crashes and works really well with >> IMAP. Which is a shame because Kontact integrates far better with KDE >> > Agreed. Thunderbird does not even allow me to print properly, but it > works great. > Agreed too about IAMP mode in kmail. Actually Lindsay didn't say "IMAP" - it's "cached" [disconnected] IMAP. IMAP works fine except for one small problem: after hibernate/resume, any open folders are no longer accessible until kontact/kmail is restarted. Unfortunately, that's one of those bugs I've been subscribed to for years, and was always told "it's fixed for KDE4" - yet I've never actually got a bug notification saying it's fixed in KDE4. -- derek From slewin at bmts.com Mon Oct 6 13:20:28 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:20:28 -0400 Subject: Hide Backup Files In-Reply-To: <48E76367.5050307@gmail.com> References: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> <48E76367.5050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EA109C.7070009@bmts.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i'm afraid i don't have a direct answer to how to hide files ending with > ~, but in kwrite's and kate's settings, there's an ption to change the > naming of backups. if in one of these programs, you go to settings ---> > configure kate/kwrite ---> open/save ---> advanced . there, you will > notice a field called suffix, and have the tilde (~) in it, you can > leave it as it is if you want to , and in the prefix field, put a dot > (.) , all files are starting with a dot are usually hidden, this will > make kate and kwrite create hidden backups. hope this helps. > I just want to give you a big thank you. I did work perfectly. All the backup files are hidden until I "show hidden files" and Konqueror still even recognizes them as backup files. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 6 13:18:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:18:43 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> p.daniels wrote: > I'm surprised at these replies. The biggest winner for me on KDE4 has been > Kontact, I find it much less crashy than on KDE3. Glad to hear it - I have every intention of using KDE4 on Intrepid. My complaint has been that _no_ fixes to kde-pim have been applied in KDE3 for years, but that almost none of the ones I've been waiting for has been fixed in KDE4. That doesn't mean that I don't expect quite a few improvements - I'd be so surprised if it's not greatly improved that I'd drop KDE completely. > IMAP is still dog slow, > but that's not new and I attribute at least half of it to Gmail's horrible > IMAP implementation. I'd attribute any problems _all_ to gmail. I use IMAP to access a local server, and to access gmail, and for the local server it's perfectly reasonable (though it's inherent in the IMAP spec that it's not going to be blindingly fast on anything but the fattest pipe) -- derek From gianluca.cerminara at cern.ch Fri Oct 3 13:47:34 2008 From: gianluca.cerminara at cern.ch (Gianluca Cerminara) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:47:34 +0200 Subject: firefox CPU usage Message-ID: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> Hi, I'm running 8.04 with the latest greatest firefox and I notice that the browser is always at the top of the list for CPU usage....any suggestion about how to avoid it? This is particularly annoying especially when running on battery. Thanks a lot, G From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Oct 6 14:13:42 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:13:42 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810032032.05201.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810032032.05201.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810061013.48892.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 03 October 2008 2:32:05 pm Nils Kassube wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Friday 03 October 2008 9:57:12 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Give the developers time to finish their work. I > > > expect there will be many improvements within that one year and KDE4 > > > will be usable until then. > > > > Isn't that something that should be done /before/ making it the > > default? > > That is certainly debatable, but if KDE3 was delivered with Intrepid, > someone would have to spend developer time for that version for 18 months > according to the Canonical support promise. And if there are two KDE > versions to support, it simply doubles the necessary ressources which > doesn't make sense financially. Remember: Developer time = €€€. If you only included the stable 3.5.x, you wouldn't need to support 4.x except in development. > > Now if you read the other posts on this list about KDE4, there seem to be > several people who don't mind switching already. Therefore I don't think > it is a real problem to have KDE4 as default and no KDE3 for Intrepid. "Several people who don't mind switching already" doesn't constitute the demand I would expect to be needed to force the large number of people who do mind switching. I keep hearing, "Patience, KDE 4 is not quite ready, but it will be great when it is." I trust that promise from the KDE developers, but I question the Kubuntu decision to go with a desktop environment that its developers admit is not ready. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 14:16:18 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:16:18 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48EA1DB2.9000300@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060506040307000205040103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Derek Broughton wrote: > p.daniels wrote: >=20 >> I'm surprised at these replies. The biggest winner for me on KDE4 has = been >> Kontact, I find it much less crashy than on KDE3.=20 >=20 > Glad to hear it - I have every intention of using KDE4 on Intrepid. My= > complaint has been that _no_ fixes to kde-pim have been applied in KDE3= for > years, but that almost none of the ones I've been waiting for has been > fixed in KDE4. That doesn't mean that I don't expect quite a few > improvements - I'd be so surprised if it's not greatly improved that I'= d > drop KDE completely. >=20 >> IMAP is still dog slow,=20 >> but that's not new and I attribute at least half of it to Gmail's horr= ible >> IMAP implementation. >=20 > I'd attribute any problems _all_ to gmail. I use IMAP to access a loca= l > server, and to access gmail, and for the local server it's perfectly > reasonable (though it's inherent in the IMAP spec that it's not going t= o be > blindingly fast on anything but the fattest pipe) i use thunderbird to access my gmail using IMAP, and it's not slow at all! i used kontact when i first started using linux to access gmail using POP3, but didn't like the result too much. that was gmail's fault actually. but as for IMAP, i never used it kontact, but at the same time, never had any problem with it on hunderbird, so i can't see how it could be gmail's fault. :S --=20 Willy K. 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Holdeman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:21:11 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EA1DB2.9000300@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EA1DB2.9000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810061021.11531.lists@ptfd.org> On Monday 06 October 2008 10:16:18 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------060506040307000205040103 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Derek Broughton wrote: > > p.daniels wrote: > >=20 > > > >> I'm surprised at these replies. The biggest winner for me on KDE4 has = > > been > > >> Kontact, I find it much less crashy than on KDE3.=20 > > > >=20 > > Glad to hear it - I have every intention of using KDE4 on Intrepid. My= > > > > complaint has been that _no_ fixes to kde-pim have been applied in KDE3= > > for > > > years, but that almost none of the ones I've been waiting for has been > > fixed in KDE4. That doesn't mean that I don't expect quite a few > > improvements - I'd be so surprised if it's not greatly improved that I'= > > d > > > drop KDE completely. > >=20 > > > >> IMAP is still dog slow,=20 > >> but that's not new and I attribute at least half of it to Gmail's horr= > > ible > > >> IMAP implementation. > > > >=20 > > I'd attribute any problems _all_ to gmail. I use IMAP to access a loca= > > l > > > server, and to access gmail, and for the local server it's perfectly > > reasonable (though it's inherent in the IMAP spec that it's not going t= > > o be > > > blindingly fast on anything but the fattest pipe) > > i use thunderbird to access my gmail using IMAP, and it's not slow at > all! i used kontact when i first started using linux to access gmail > using POP3, but didn't like the result too much. that was gmail's fault > actually. but as for IMAP, i never used it kontact, but at the same > time, never had any problem with it on hunderbird, so i can't see how it > could be gmail's fault. :S I use kontact in 4.1.2 for several email accounts includeing 5 IMAP accounts, 3 of which are gmail. No problems so far. (for a long time) Mike > --=20 > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > --------------060506040307000205040103 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; > name="w_hamra1987.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="w_hamra1987.vcf" > > YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOldpbGx5IEhhbXJhDQpuOkhhbXJhO1dpbGx5DQplbWFpbDtpbnRl > cm5ldDp3LmhhbXJhMTk4N0BnbWFpbC5jb20NCngtbW96aWxsYS1odG1sOkZBTFNFDQp2ZXJz > aW9uOjIuMQ0KZW5kOnZjYXJkDQoNCg== > --------------060506040307000205040103-- -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 14:23:12 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:23:12 +0300 Subject: firefox CPU usage In-Reply-To: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> References: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> Message-ID: <48EA1F50.8050604@gmail.com> Gianluca Cerminara wrote: > Hi, > I'm running 8.04 with the latest greatest firefox and I notice that the > browser is always at the top of the list for CPU usage....any suggestion > about how to avoid it? > This is particularly annoying especially when running on battery. > Thanks a lot, > G > firefox has always, whether on linux or windows, used a lot of CPU when more than 3 tabs are running, specially when a tab contains flash. i don't know what one can do about it. maybe you can try using konqueror when on battery? it's not a perfect solution, but... -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore > > I think it is reasonable to completely switch to KDE4 with Intrepid. > >     I've already shot this poor argument down 3 days ago.  It is not up to > the KUbuntu developers to force people to test software.  It is up to them > to provide a stable platform for their users.  Those who are willing and > able to test are also willing and able to install it through an alternative > install disc or their choice of apt tool post install. I'm not sure you or I are in a position to say what the duties of the Kubuntu developers is or should be. I can only say that I won't use Kubuntu Intrepid at all until the 4.1 PPA I occasionally log into works reliably. It would be sad if Kubuntu turned into a niche distro because of premature adoption of KDE 4. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Oct 6 14:42:03 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:42:03 +0200 Subject: firefox CPU usage In-Reply-To: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> References: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> Message-ID: Gianluca Cerminara wrote: > Hi, > I'm running 8.04 with the latest greatest firefox and I notice that the > browser is always at the top of the list for CPU usage....any suggestion > about how to avoid it? > This is particularly annoying especially when running on battery. > Thanks a lot, > G > opera regards EbR From sgrace at pobox.com Mon Oct 6 14:56:04 2008 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:56:04 -0700 Subject: firefox CPU usage In-Reply-To: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> References: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> Message-ID: <1223304964.5956.4.camel@midnight> On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:47 +0200, Gianluca Cerminara wrote: > I'm running 8.04 with the latest greatest firefox and I notice that the > browser is always at the top of the list for CPU usage....any suggestion > about how to avoid it? > This is particularly annoying especially when running on battery. To find out if it's an add-on causing the problem, start Firefox in safe mode with add-ons disabled. From a terminal, enter "firefox --safe-mode". Also, could it be a problem with a particular site? I've seen poorly-written advertising banners use all available CPU. From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Oct 6 15:25:52 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:25:52 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810061125.57959.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 06 October 2008 9:18:43 am Derek Broughton wrote: > I'd attribute any problems _all_ to gmail. And yet, kmail's gmail IMAP implementation is far superior to the following that I also use, depending on machine. * Evolution (the virtual nature of the folders aren't recognized. Deleting a message from kubuntu-users, doesn't also delete it from art.alexion at verizon.net, Inbox and All Mail) * Thunderbird (windows) (Who can live without highlight to quote after using kmail or evolution) * Mail.app (iTouch) (No copy and paste, or highlight to delete on the iTouch. Can't empty trash. No threading on the iTouch.) * VersaMail (PalmOS) (15 folder limitation. Flakey on retrieval. Just not reliable) For me everything works on kmail 1.9.10 (though 1.9.9 seemed a lot more stable overall). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Oct 6 15:53:48 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:53:48 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810061125.57959.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810061125.57959.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48EA348C.4030905@swbell.net> On 10/06/2008 Art Alexion wrote: > * Thunderbird (windows) (Who can live without highlight to quote > after using kmail or evolution) > Quickquote (Windows, Linux, Mac) -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Oct 6 16:06:17 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810061125.57959.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810061125.57959.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081006160617.GA17086@dmiyu.org> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:25:52AM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > * Thunderbird (windows) (Who can live without highlight to quote after using > kmail or evolution) Me. But then I have been ignoring that horrible feature since it was introduced to PMMail/2 back in 1998. Mainly because, if you look at my replies. I properly trim and quote in multipart blocks. Only on small messages (like this one) do I not do that. Easier to ignore that overloading of a feature than have things really get messed up. -- Steve C. 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We have the statements Ubuntu has on public pages about the distribution "just works". That, to me, means they are looking for stable usibility vs. bleeding edge "wow" factor. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From kap4lin at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 16:30:15 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:30:15 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > You can also do: > > make -n install > > or > > make -n install > output.txt 2>&1 > > which will just print out (or write to a file) what it's doing and not > actually install. Thanks Glenn, that is what I was looking for, should've read the man pages more carefully! But as others have mentioned, checkinstall seems to be a more appropriate procedure. I'll have to dig into the details of checkinstall. The thing is that I use a lot of software on my office machine (RHEL 5) where I do not have sudo access. So, I've to "install" (ie compile from source OR unpack the rpm files) them in my local directory. A properly automated checkinstall should be a huge help. Thanks to James, Nils, and Derek. -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 16:36:46 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:36:46 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081006160846.GB17086@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041651.07613.kassube@gmx.net> <48E94910.1090206@dmiyu.org> <200810061030.41967.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081006160846.GB17086@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> Steve C. Lamb wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 10:30:36AM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: >> I'm not sure you or I are in a position to say what the duties of the >> Kubuntu developers is or should be. > > But we are. We have the statements Ubuntu has on public pages about the > distribution "just works". That, to me, means they are looking for stable > usibility vs. bleeding edge "wow" factor. > > you are of course right, but then again, the developers in themselves are a community! it's not a big boss, or a board of around a dozen big bosses saying KDE4 NOW OR YOU ALL GET FIRED! :P the developer community is well-organised, they choose what is best for a system after loads of discussion and meetings. i find the decision very reasonable, as mentioned in the rationale section of the kubuntu-intrepid blueprint https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion, "KDE 3 is obsolete and largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over giving users Hardy." . that said,kubuntu hardy, LTS or not, will always be available if you want KDE3, you want to be able to get the latest versions of programs? you'll get the latest version of KDE4 along! and you always have the option of adding 3rd party repos for ur programs, it's not really a good excuse for complaining. that's not to mention that KDE4 is a lot more stable now, it has crashed only twice in the last 3 weeks, which isn't that bad, since KDE3 used to crash at such a rate sometimes. you find plasma a waste of time? remove all widgets, add a folder view and extend it across your desktop. you don't like the new menu? remove it and put the old one, it's available. kontact as some ppl mentioned is a lot more stable now. in terms of performance, turn desktop effects off, and you'll get a blazing fast system. heck! even dolphin got a bit faster in the latest KDE 4.1.2. you don't like dolphin? associate directories with konqueror, make sure it's set above dolphin in file association, and there you go, konqueror is default file manager (except for the new device notification, which for some reason ignores associations). what is it exactly that you're still complaining about? -- Willy K. 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Hamra wrote: > > i'm afraid i don't have a direct answer to how to hide files ending with > > ~, but in kwrite's and kate's settings, there's an ption to change the > > naming of backups. if in one of these programs, you go to settings ---> > > configure kate/kwrite ---> open/save ---> advanced . there, you will > > notice a field called suffix, and have the tilde (~) in it, you can > > leave it as it is if you want to , and in the prefix field, put a dot > > (.) , all files are starting with a dot are usually hidden, this will > > make kate and kwrite create hidden backups. hope this helps. > > I just want to give you a big thank you. I did work perfectly. All the > backup files are hidden until I "show hidden files" and Konqueror still > even recognizes them as backup files. It also works with Quanta Plus and Dolphin. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= Hard work never hurt anyone--but why risk it? From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Oct 6 16:53:16 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:53:16 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041651.07613.kassube@gmx.net> <48E94910.1090206@dmiyu.org> <200810061030.41967.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081006160846.GB17086@dmiyu.org> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:36:46PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion, "KDE 3 is obsolete and > largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over > giving users Hardy." . Largely obsolete and largely unmaintained yet it still is far more stable than KDE4 with more features. Obsolete and unmaintained doesn't mean it is falling apart. Software doesn't break just because it is old. Some pieces of software in Debian are "largely obsolete and largely unmaintained" for going on a decade and still works just fine. > what is it exactly that you're still complaining about? Where am I complaining? In case you missed it I stated up front that I am using 4.1.1 more than anything else right now. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra wrote: > i use thunderbird to access my gmail using IMAP, and it's not slow at > all! i used kontact when i first started using linux to access gmail > using POP3, but didn't like the result too much. that was gmail's fault > actually. but as for IMAP, i never used it kontact, but at the same > time, never had any problem with it on hunderbird, so i can't see how it > could be gmail's fault. :S I use Kontact on the desktop, Evolution on the laptop, and I used to use Tbird on the Windows machine at my old job (oh, and Alpine sometimes too). On all four, Gmail for me has always been heinously slow and prone to timing out and giving weird errors when I try to move messages. Just my experience. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, it is Quanta I am mostly using it for as I do a large amount of web development :). -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From kassube at gmx.net Mon Oct 6 16:47:58 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:47:58 +0200 Subject: Hide Backup Files In-Reply-To: <48EA109C.7070009@bmts.com> References: <48E75C9D.7070601@bmts.com> <48E76367.5050307@gmail.com> <48EA109C.7070009@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200810061847.58894.kassube@gmx.net> Scott wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > i'm afraid i don't have a direct answer to how to hide files ending > > with ~, but in kwrite's and kate's settings, there's an ption to > > change the naming of backups. if in one of these programs, you go to > > settings ---> configure kate/kwrite ---> open/save ---> advanced . > > there, you will notice a field called suffix, and have the tilde (~) > > in it, you can leave it as it is if you want to , and in the prefix > > field, put a dot (.) , all files are starting with a dot are usually > > hidden, this will make kate and kwrite create hidden backups. hope > > this helps. > > I just want to give you a big thank you. I did work perfectly. All > the backup files are hidden until I "show hidden files" and Konqueror > still even recognizes them as backup files. Now better don't edit a file "kderc" because the backup silently overwrites ".kderc". Probably that is not exactly what you want. Nils From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 17:03:41 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:03:41 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810041651.07613.kassube@gmx.net> <48E94910.1090206@dmiyu.org> <200810061030.41967.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081006160846.GB17086@dmiyu.org> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48EA44ED.3020106@gmail.com> Steve C. Lamb wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:36:46PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion, "KDE 3 is obsolete and >> largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over >> giving users Hardy." . > > Largely obsolete and largely unmaintained yet it still is far more stable > than KDE4 with more features. Obsolete and unmaintained doesn't mean it is > falling apart. Software doesn't break just because it is old. Some pieces of > software in Debian are "largely obsolete and largely unmaintained" for going > on a decade and still works just fine. > >> what is it exactly that you're still complaining about? > > Where am I complaining? In case you missed it I stated up front that I am > using 4.1.1 more than anything else right now. > yes steve, i know you're not complaining,actually, i like your stand about the whole thing, the question is pointed at those that *are* complaining. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra wrote: >>> i'm afraid i don't have a direct answer to how to hide files ending >>> with ~, but in kwrite's and kate's settings, there's an ption to >>> change the naming of backups. if in one of these programs, you go to >>> settings ---> configure kate/kwrite ---> open/save ---> advanced . >>> there, you will notice a field called suffix, and have the tilde (~) >>> in it, you can leave it as it is if you want to , and in the prefix >>> field, put a dot (.) , all files are starting with a dot are usually >>> hidden, this will make kate and kwrite create hidden backups. hope >>> this helps. >> I just want to give you a big thank you. I did work perfectly. All >> the backup files are hidden until I "show hidden files" and Konqueror >> still even recognizes them as backup files. > > Now better don't edit a file "kderc" because the backup silently > overwrites ".kderc". Probably that is not exactly what you want. > > > Nils > actually not necessarily true, if he left the suffix field as it is, he'll end up with .kderc~ , which is ok. and in anyways, why would someone work on a file with such names? :P i'm glad scott, you got what you want :) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if I made a file kderc the backup would become .kderc~ and would not overwrite .kderc. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 6 17:39:47 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:39:47 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EA1DB2.9000300@gmail.com> <200810061021.11531.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <1337159.OCcHjqdr1F@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: [ I really don't know how you can manage to make KMail do such a dog-awful quoting job...' > On Monday 06 October 2008 10:16:18 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> > p.daniels wrote: >> >> IMAP is still dog slow,=20 >> >> but that's not new and I attribute at least half of it to Gmail's >> >> horrible IMAP implementation. >> > >> > I'd attribute any problems _all_ to gmail. I use IMAP to access a >> > local server, and to access gmail, and for the local server it's >> > perfectly >> > reasonable (though it's inherent in the IMAP spec that it's not going >> > to be blindingly fast on anything but the fattest pipe) >> >> i use thunderbird to access my gmail using IMAP, and it's not slow at >> all! i used kontact when i first started using linux to access gmail >> using POP3, but didn't like the result too much. that was gmail's fault >> actually. but as for IMAP, i never used it kontact, but at the same >> time, never had any problem with it on hunderbird, so i can't see how it >> could be gmail's fault. :S It could be gmail's fault because gmail has shoe-horned a non-standard mail storage mechanism into an IMAP interface. > I use kontact in 4.1.2 for several email accounts includeing 5 IMAP > accounts, 3 of which are gmail. No problems so far. (for a long time) I have no problems, either, but it is pretty slow, and given the amount of data that goes back and forth in an IMAP session, that's no surprise. -- derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 6 18:35:47 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:35:47 +0200 Subject: what can I do? Message-ID: <200810062035.47381.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> I am a 20 years dos/windoos user and database developer on FilePro 2 year ago I started dual boot XP / Kubuntu 1 year ago only Kubuntu Hardy 64 bit with KDE3 on a Intel Duo Core Asus machine. I have Virtualbox with Hardy en KDE4 as well as XP Pro. In what way can I be of help to the community? I read in the list that you are in need of help in organising bugreports for KDE4? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Oct 6 18:39:43 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:39:43 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve C. Lamb wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:36:46PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion, "KDE 3 is obsolete and > > largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over > > giving users Hardy." . > > Largely obsolete and largely unmaintained yet it still is far more > stable than KDE4 with more features. Obsolete and unmaintained doesn't > mean it is falling apart. Software doesn't break just because it is old. Steve, I just don't know what you are hoping to accomplish by continuing this "Debate". The reasons are clear why they moved to KDE4, a bunch of people have said they agree with it on the list and have given you tons of reasons why. You feel differently, and have been given an option on how to continue using what you want to use, until you're old and gray. I just don't understand what furthering this discussion will reveal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I've to > "install" (ie compile from source OR unpack the rpm files) them in my > local directory. A properly automated checkinstall should be a huge > help. > Thanks to James, Nils, and Derek. > > > -- > Regards > PK > -------------------------------------- > http://counter.li.org #402424 > a simple use of checkinstall: cd mydirectory configure make checkinstall # you then have a .tgz a .rpm or a .deb in your directory # install package as usual dpkg -i mypackage.deb ### or wathever other method (for sure, you edited your /etc/checkinstallrc BEFORE, to make sure the defaults are all ok ) (ex: select tgz,rpm,deb) there are few params to check, and even less to change on first use. edit the file, read it, correct a default when you are sure what you do. when not sure, dont touch it. 2 minutes config, endless uses... endless personal packages ready to put there. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From teeahr1 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 19:01:43 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:01:43 -0500 Subject: what can I do? In-Reply-To: <200810062035.47381.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810062035.47381.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810061401.45055.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Monday October 6 2008 13:35:47 Peter Klaassen wrote: > I am a 20 years dos/windoos user and database developer on FilePro > 2 year ago I started dual boot XP / Kubuntu > 1 year ago only Kubuntu > Hardy 64 bit with KDE3 on a Intel Duo Core Asus machine. > I have Virtualbox with Hardy en KDE4 as well as XP Pro. > In what way can I be of help to the community? > I read in the list that you are in need of help in organising bugreports > for KDE4? > -- > Peter > Registered Linux user # 458207 Here is a pretty good intro to bug reporting for Kubuntu. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting Bug reporting is dead simple, always appreciated, and a good way to get started with contributing to free software. But there are lots of other ways. Are you a good writer? Consider helping your favorite application out with documentation. Documentation doesn't just mean man pages, it can be tutorials, real book-style manuals, first-run walkthroughs. Your imagination is the only limit. My favorite example of non- traditional documentation is the Scribus manual: http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=en&page=intro Another great example is the internal help pages for Basket Notes, written as Basket pages. Also, emacs. Yeah, it's a beast (500p?), but it's been a 20-year collaborative labor of love, and it shines through when you read it. People who are afraid to tell a little story or crack a quick joke in their manual take themselves too seriously. The emacs manual is actually what inspired me to start doing documentation. I'm a big booster of contributing through documentation. Really good, really accessible free documentation is the grease that keeps free software turning around, and it's something that not a lot of people are doing. best wishes- pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Oct 6 19:03:53 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:03:53 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 02:39:43PM -0400, Brendan wrote: > I just don't know what you are hoping to accomplish by continuing this > "Debate". The reasons are clear why they moved to KDE4, a bunch of people > have said they agree with it on the list and have given you tons of reasons > why. You feel differently, and have been given an option on how to continue > using what you want to use, until you're old and gray. I just don't > understand what furthering this discussion will reveal. The reasons are not clear. Further discussion might clear things up. Furthermore it is an expression of how "further discussion" has been ignored. There are many points in my messages people have not addressed. Which is becoming par for course. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just > > don't understand what furthering this discussion will reveal. > > The reasons are not clear. Further discussion might clear things up. > Furthermore it is an expression of how "further discussion" has been > ignored. There are many points in my messages people have not addressed. > Which is becoming par for course. That's not true. Every point you've forwarded in this discussion has been addressed by someone (I just went through the archive, so yeah, I'm sure). If you can find a counter-example please quote it. You may not agree with the rebuttals that have been made and I'm not trying to fan the fires of that debate here. But given the volume of messages on this thread, it's pretty obvious that you haven't been ignored. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They pick what they think is best or what flatters their egos. > i find the decision > very reasonable, as mentioned in the rationale section of the > kubuntu-intrepid blueprint > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion, "KDE 3 is obsolete and > largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over > giving users Hardy." . > that said,kubuntu hardy, LTS or not, will always be available if you > want KDE3, you want to be able to get the latest versions of programs? > you'll get the latest version of KDE4 along! and you always have the > option of adding 3rd party repos for ur programs, it's not really a good > excuse for complaining. that's not to mention that KDE4 is a lot more > stable now, it has crashed only twice in the last 3 weeks, which isn't > that bad, since KDE3 used to crash at such a rate sometimes. What does giving users Hardy mean? There would be a lot of advantages to giving users KDE 3, if KDE 4 really clashes 3 times a week!! It is not like a distro only advances in the area of the desktop. There are lots of other things the devs could improve. I have 2 computers that can't even boot the install CD and 3 that wifi will not work on without weeks of tweeking. One still does not work and making wpa2 work is even more of a pain.(that IS a complaint, BTW) I hope these things get better in 8.10 I have never had KDE3 crash. I have had kicker crash or maybe I should say undo it's own settings but then you just have to do a alt-f1 and reset it. Any software that I have that crashes 3 times a week gets removed and replace!! I had enough of that BS with Windows. I run Linux because crashing one time a month is WAY to much!! I have never had Linux crash on me to the point that I had to shut down the system! I have had to reboot KDE before I learned that I could just kill whatever software crashed and all would be fine. > you find > plasma a waste of time? remove all widgets, add a folder view and extend > it across your desktop. you don't like the new menu? remove it and put > the old one, it's available. kontact as some ppl mentioned is a lot more > stable now. in terms of performance, turn desktop effects off, and > you'll get a blazing fast system. heck! even dolphin got a bit faster in > the latest KDE 4.1.2. you don't like dolphin? associate directories with > konqueror, My understanding of Konqueror in KDE 4 is that it is Dolphine on the file manager side of it. I still don't see complaints here. I have seen people point to big black marks and say, "Wow, look a big black mark!" That is not a complaint but an observation. Saying, I don't want big black marks in my computer, is also not a complaint but a statement of desire. I complaint would be, "Big black marks SUCK, I can't stand them! Man I wish there were no big black marks. Why am I always surrounded by big black marks?" > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 19:41:22 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:41:22 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EA1DB2.9000300@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E93299.3040607@optusnet.com.au> <48E93E86.9010701@netplc.com> <200810051737.47904.teeahr1@gmail.com> <1318799.AfklYBRKmB@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EA1DB2.9000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EA69E2.8020906@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > > i use thunderbird to access my gmail using IMAP, and it's not slow at > all! i used kontact when i first started using linux to access gmail > using POP3, but didn't like the result too much. that was gmail's fault > actually. but as for IMAP, i never used it kontact, but at the same > time, never had any problem with it on hunderbird, so i can't see how it > could be gmail's fault. :S I agree with you. I personally think that kmails IMAP support is flawed by designed. Any implementation that feels the need to offer the user "IMAP" and "Disconnected IMAP" is, in my opinion, broken by design. "IMAP" doesn't let you read any emails offline, even if you have already read them online, whilst "Disconnected IMAP" lets you read email offline, but insists on downloading all emails all the time. Both work very slowly for me using a (non-gmail) IMAP server. Thunderbird has none of these problems. It only has one sort of IMAP with the best of both types. It is very fast and once I have read an email online it is available offline. OPtions exist to let you download all email if you want, for full offline reading. I love the look and feel of kmail and the fact it would integrate into KDE desktop better, and would use it if I could. But its IMAP support fundementally sucks, and as such I always use thunderbird now. gmail might have its own problems, but please don't blame it for all of kmail's issues. cheers Chris From mi.fare at libero.it Mon Oct 6 20:06:27 2008 From: mi.fare at libero.it (Michele Faresin) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:06:27 +0200 Subject: Network problem (kubuntu 8.10) Message-ID: <200810062206.27982.mi.fare@libero.it> Hello list! This is the first i write something here, so please, be patient to me. First of all, sorry for my bad english! Second, let me explain the problem (google was'nt helpful this time): I've just updated from 8.04 to 8.10, without any problem. When I rebooted the system, my network did not work. Knetworkmanager is in "grey" status, and after i configured it manually (i use static ip), it always pop up "Device: eth0 State: disconnected" This is about my ethernet card: lshw -C network *-network description: Ethernet interface product: 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. physical id: 0 bus info: pci at 0000:02:00.0 logical name: eth0 version: 12 serial: ############### size: 100MB/s capacity: 1GB/s width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm vpd msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=sky2 driverversion=1.22 duplex=full firmware=N/A ip=192.168.1.100 latency=0 link=yes module=sky2 multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=100MB/s *-network DISABLED description: Ethernet interface physical id: 1 logical name: pan0 serial: ############ capabilities: ethernet physical configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A link=yes multicast=yes route: route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 cat /etc/network/interface auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.100 network 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 I can't fiugure out this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart * Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: No such process Failed to bring up eth0. OK But if I do: ifup -a everithing works fine!!! Any suggestions? From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Oct 6 21:16:18 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:16:18 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810061716.18967.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve C. Lamb wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 02:39:43PM -0400, Brendan wrote: > > I just don't know what you are hoping to accomplish by continuing this > > "Debate". The reasons are clear why they moved to KDE4, a bunch of people > > have said they agree with it on the list and have given you tons of > > reasons why. You feel differently, and have been given an option on how > > to continue using what you want to use, until you're old and gray. I just > > don't understand what furthering this discussion will reveal. > > The reasons are not clear. Further discussion might clear things up. > Furthermore it is an expression of how "further discussion" has been > ignored. There are many points in my messages people have not addressed. > Which is becoming par for course. *shrugs shoulders* Good luck with that. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at thefletchers.net Mon Oct 6 22:11:52 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:11:52 +0100 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <2683259.qCbWT4JYNx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <200808261925.39534.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <2683259.qCbWT4JYNx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810062311.52405.dave@thefletchers.net> On Wednesday 27 Aug 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Martin Laberge wrote: > > > I post this just about monthly. IF you do installs with aptitude (I can't > vouch for it working any other way): > > aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' ' > > will return a lovely list of all the _manually_ installed packages - no > dependencies. > > The first part says show the Installed (Manual) packages, 'tr' eliminates > excess spaces, and cut finds just the second word (the package name). > -- > derek > Thanks for that one - I've added it to my backup script so I don't have to remember to run it. Dave From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Oct 6 23:32:17 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:32:17 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <20081007003217.4b70562a@graham-desktop> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:03:53 -0400 "Steve C. Lamb" wrote: > The reasons are not clear. Further discussion might clear things > up. Furthermore it is an expression of how "further discussion" has > been ignored. There are many points in my messages people have not > addressed. Which is becoming par for course. [snipped] Steve, as far as I am aware, there are no distributions of Linux that have seriously canvassed users about what they should include. These discussions are generally between developers, and users are able to improve or shape distributions by contributing directly, or through forums and #irc channels. If you don't like the content of a distribution, choose another. I don't like Gnome, preferring KDE and Enlightenment, and most .rpm based distributions have their own problems for me. That is the main reason I choose Kubuntu as my main distribution. If I stay with Kubuntu, I shall have to change over to KDE 4.1 eventually. That decision has already been taken by the KDE team. As a user of long standing, I was never consulted and "further discussion" over the direction of Kubuntu or KDE was never suggested. But by working with the whole Kubuntu community, developers can (and do) make the distribution better. I can believe that many of the points you raise have not been addressed, but without changing your distribution to something like Debian, they will never be addressed until a volunteer somewhere can devote time to do it. People making remarks such as "I do not want to be a beta tester" lose sight of what kind of an operating system Linux really is: new developments are put out for us to try and make better, so in a sense if you want to use Linux you ARE going to be a beta tester. Steve, whether you like it or not, the future of Kubuntu and KDE is with KDE 4. That decision has been made, and now is not an issue. As this debate has shown, though, one of the things we may have to get right in the *Ubuntu community at large is how we communicate with each other. And on that I fully agree with you. -- Graham Todd From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 7 00:31:16 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:31:16 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810061416.48135.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> <200810061416.48135.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EAADD4.6010701@dmiyu.org> p.daniels wrote: > That's not true. Every point you've forwarded in this discussion has > been addressed by someone (I just went through the archive, so yeah, I'm > sure). If you can find a counter-example please quote it. The fact that moving forward in spite of public outcry, now twice, even though the alternative is still viable in spite of what the developers might thing? The fact that Ubuntu, and its subprojects, are not supposed to be forcing people who want "just works" to "just test it" or "just shut-up"? Neither of those has been addressed. From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 7 00:49:41 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:49:41 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <20081007003217.4b70562a@graham-desktop> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> <20081007003217.4b70562a@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <48EAB225.7090907@dmiyu.org> Graham Todd wrote: > I can believe that many of the points you raise have not been > addressed, but without changing your distribution to something like > Debian, they will never be addressed until a volunteer somewhere can > devote time to do it. People making remarks such as "I do not want to > be a beta tester" lose sight of what kind of an operating system Linux > really is: new developments are put out for us to try and make better, > so in a sense if you want to use Linux you ARE going to be a beta > tester. And this is the problem. Again, this has been rebutted, by me, days ago. Just read a few URLs for me, ok? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition Tell me where in there it says we're "ARE going to be a beta tester." I'm curious since the word beta does not appear on any of those pages. However phrases like "ready-to-use" and "just works" do appear. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1998/10/msg00077.html Notice the distribution, the from and the date and consider what you're telling me to do quoted above. If I wanted to do testing and development work I would still be running Debian on my (now 3) machines onto which I've installed KUbuntu. I am on KUbuntu because I got really tired of having to fight with my display drivers to get 3D working. Tired of fighting with X to get a display at all working. Tired of things not working. However Debian would be the only choice for my servers. It still is, in fact, on the two I maintain. So, now to put a blunt point on it. I am KUbuntu user who has stated here he's personally happy to use 4.1.1 on two of his machines, who has 10 years of experience in Debian, who is pointing out that in spite of his personal experience in bugs, software design and long-standing experience in Linux that the current move to KDE 4.x by KUbuntu is wrong. You are telling that person that, in spite of the word "beta" nor "testing" anywhere on the main public pages of the Ubuntu project he should expect beta testing as the mere price of running Linux and if he really, really wants to improve things... to go to Debian? I hope you will consider how that sounds. I know you didn't know my history with Linux. I don't like bringing it up since most people take it as a dick-waving contest. But honestly, of all the presumptions people are making about my stance being inexperienced, unwilling to test and unwilling to try KDE4 are the furthest from the truth. Unfortunately when that is understood you see that most of the pat answers that people give fall flat. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 7 00:52:55 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:52:55 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions Message-ID: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Decided that I might give 8.10 a try and see just what it's all about. Loaded it on a separate hard drive. Looks nice and works my poor little eMachine quite well. No major hiccups so far. First impressions. I still can't stand that "new" KDE menu system. Can't stand it in Vista either so it's not just a KDE thing. Is there a way to configure it back to the old style someplace? In earlier versions you could right click near the big "K" and get to a configuration window where you could reset the height of the panel and place it where you want it and all that stuff. [ I like mine at the top of the screen and hidden. I also like it a little taller than "normal" ] I also want to have the quick start panel back. I like to use it for all the things that I run constantly. I clicked just about everything I could find and never found any way to make the changes I want. Is the ability to do this stuff in KDE4? THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says "Desktop". How can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing button and the main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it was still there and something stupid was covering my task bar. Like to never figured out how to bet my task bar back. The yellow notepad thingy went away when I clicked the "x". I do NOT like a bunch of "junk" on my desktop. I want it clean [ unlike the desk the computer sits on *<]:oD ]. Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more junk. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Tue Oct 7 01:45:52 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:45:52 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EAADD4.6010701@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810061416.48135.teeahr1@gmail.com> <48EAADD4.6010701@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810062145.52298.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > p.daniels wrote: > > That's not true. Every point you've forwarded in this discussion has > > been addressed by someone (I just went through the archive, so yeah, I'm > > sure). If you can find a counter-example please quote it. > > The fact that moving forward in spite of public outcry, now twice, even "Public outcry"??? Oh, this is getting ridiculous. KDE 3 is available. Go use it in 8.04 and be happy. Can't have everything, I guess. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Tue Oct 7 01:47:16 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:47:16 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EAB225.7090907@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <20081007003217.4b70562a@graham-desktop> <48EAB225.7090907@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810062147.16508.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > So, now to put a blunt point on it. I am KUbuntu user who has stated (i.e. "To make a ridiculous straw-man argument") > here he's personally happy to use 4.1.1 on two of his machines, who has 10 > years of experience in Debian, who is pointing out that in spite of his > personal experience in bugs, software design and long-standing experience > in Linux that the current move to KDE 4.x by KUbuntu is wrong. You are > telling that person that, in spite of the word "beta" nor "testing" > anywhere on the main public pages of the Ubuntu project he should expect > beta testing as the mere price of running Linux and if he really, really > wants to improve things... to go to Debian? > > I hope you will consider how that sounds. I know you didn't know my How, what sounds? Something you just paraphrased out of a bunch of random thoughts and angry moments you've had? This is going into troll territory. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manuel at mclure.org Tue Oct 7 02:00:29 2008 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:00:29 -0700 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> References: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5b2fd9c60810061900r74fab09eu9d2531155fdf13b5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > First impressions. I still can't stand that "new" KDE menu system. Can't > stand it in Vista either so it's not just a KDE thing. Is there a way > to configure it back to the old style someplace? Right click on the K button, and select Switch to Classic Menu Style (works for me on 4.1.2 KDE on Hardy.) > In earlier versions you > could right click near the big "K" and get to a configuration window > where you could reset the height of the panel and place it where you > want it and all that stuff. [ I like mine at the top of the screen and > hidden. I also like it a little taller than "normal" ] Click on the little orange squiggle to the far right of the panel - that will bring up a bar above the panel - drag that bar to the top/left/right of the screen to dock the panel there. Dragging it up/down will also stretch the panel vertically. While that bar is showing you can also move stuff around on the panel as needed/desired. I don't know how to hide the panel, though. I also want to > have the quick start panel back. I like to use it for all the things > that I run constantly. I clicked just about everything I could find and > never found any way to make the changes I want. Is the ability to do > this stuff in KDE4? If by "quick start panel" you mean icons on the panel that you can click to bring up a program, just go to the program desired in the K menu, right click and select "add to panel." > > THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says "Desktop". How > can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing button and the > main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it was still > there and something stupid was covering my task bar. Like to never > figured out how to bet my task bar back. The yellow notepad thingy went > away when I clicked the "x". I do NOT like a bunch of "junk" on my > desktop. I want it clean [ unlike the desk the computer sits on *<]:oD > ]. Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more junk. Can't help you with that - I'm not seeing it. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From gloonie at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 02:19:56 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:19:56 -0400 Subject: kfontview problem viewing In-Reply-To: <200809051050.29964.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> <200809051050.29964.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810062219.56872.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, I notice that I am still having a problem with kfontview: both from the command line and with the Settings --> Font Installer (in the Standard Preview window). Simply put: nothing shows up (no characters, just white space). I reported this problem (KDE Bug 170435), but it seems only to affect a few people. The maintainer thinks it might be a video card issues (Nvidia GE Force 8600), but that doesn't seem right, since I can see the characters Gnome FontViewer. Also, the characters show up if I print to a pdf file! Does anyone here have that problems. Just go to the command line and type: kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf (or any other truetype font). Can you see anything of the sample text? So far, about three people have reported the problem, and everyone else seems okay. TIA, Glenn From gloonie at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 02:27:08 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:27:08 -0400 Subject: kfontview problem viewing In-Reply-To: <200810062225.07826.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200810062219.56872.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200810062225.07826.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <200810062227.08566.gloonie@earthlink.net> Thanks, Jerry, I'll mark that down on the "no" side. Glenn On Monday 06 October 2008 22:25:07 Jerry Lapham wrote: > On Monday 06 October 2008 10:19:56 pm Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I notice that I am still having a problem with kfontview: both from the > > command line and with the Settings --> Font Installer (in the Standard > > Preview window). Simply put: nothing shows up (no characters, just white > > space). > > > > I reported this problem (KDE Bug 170435), but it seems only to affect a > > few people. The maintainer thinks it might be a video card issues (Nvidia > > GE Force 8600), but that doesn't seem right, since I can see the > > characters Gnome FontViewer. > > > > Also, the characters show up if I print to a pdf file! > > > > Does anyone here have that problems. Just go to the command line and > > type: > > > > kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > > > (or any other truetype font). > > > > Can you see anything of the sample text? > > > > So far, about three people have reported the problem, and everyone else > > seems okay. > > It's OK here. > > -Jerry From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 7 02:42:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:42:52 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48EA3E9E.9080208@gmail.com> <20081006165316.GC17086@dmiyu.org> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <1463571.SZmBMvckFQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Brendan wrote: > On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve C. Lamb wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:36:46PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion, "KDE 3 is obsolete and >> > largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over >> > giving users Hardy." . >> >> Largely obsolete and largely unmaintained yet it still is far more >> stable than KDE4 with more features. Obsolete and unmaintained doesn't >> mean it is falling apart. Software doesn't break just because it is old. > > I just don't know what you are hoping to accomplish by continuing this > "Debate". Debate, perhaps? > The reasons are clear why they moved to KDE4, a bunch of people > have said they agree with it on the list and have given you tons of > reasons why. You feel differently, and have been given an option on how to > continue using what you want to use, until you're old and gray. I just > don't understand what furthering this discussion will reveal. The fundamental flaw in a system that forces an as-yet unworkable desktop onto users? Well, actually, that's not how I feel, but it really, really ticks me off when people object to debate on user lists. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 7 02:45:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:45:19 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <20081007003217.4b70562a@graham-desktop> <48EAB225.7090907@dmiyu.org> <200810062147.16508.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <1258252.Bjvo158e7M@cedar.serverforest.com> Brendan wrote: > On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: >> So, now to put a blunt point on it. I am KUbuntu user who has >> stated > > (i.e. "To make a ridiculous straw-man argument") > >> here he's personally happy to use 4.1.1 on two of his machines, who has >> 10 years of experience in Debian, who is pointing out that in spite of >> his personal experience in bugs, software design and long-standing >> experience >> in Linux that the current move to KDE 4.x by KUbuntu is wrong. You are >> telling that person that, in spite of the word "beta" nor "testing" >> anywhere on the main public pages of the Ubuntu project he should expect >> beta testing as the mere price of running Linux and if he really, really >> wants to improve things... to go to Debian? >> >> I hope you will consider how that sounds. I know you didn't know my > > How, what sounds? Something you just paraphrased out of a bunch of random > thoughts and angry moments you've had? This is going into troll territory. Don't be ridiculous. It's paraphrased, true, but it came right out of Graham's previous post. I actually _am_ a beta-tester, by choice, but Linux users as a whole don't want to be and shouldn't have to be. -- derek From kap4lin at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 03:15:52 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:15:52 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > a simple use of checkinstall: really? are there any subtle assumtions? > > cd mydirectory > configure > make > checkinstall > > # you then have a .tgz a .rpm or a .deb in your directory > > # install package as usual > > dpkg -i mypackage.deb ### or wathever other method > > > (for sure, you edited your /etc/checkinstallrc BEFORE, > to make sure the defaults are all ok ) (ex: select tgz,rpm,deb) > > there are few params to check, and even less to change on first use. > edit the file, read it, correct a default when you are sure what you do. > when not sure, dont touch it. > > 2 minutes config, endless uses... endless personal packages ready to put there. Well, this certainly wasn't a 2 min job! I've already spent 4 hrs without success. As I mentioned before I DO NOT have root access to the RHEL machine where all this is being done. Anyway, the first thing was to install checkinstall - that itself turned out to be a huge pain. But let me put that aside. After I got it working here is the error I get (while trying to install checkinstall itself) tar: /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/checkinstall-1.6.1.tgz: Cannot open: Permission denied tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Building RPM package... FAILED! Whatever I try this PATH is hardcoded into the script somewhere, very likely in rpmbuild. I do not want to create source srpm files... OK. I saved this mail and was digging around a little more. Here is what I found after another hour: The huge assumption that checkinstall is making is that the user has root access to the machine! In the end rpmbuild spit out an error like this: RPM build errors: Could not open /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/checkinstall-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm: Permission denied Note: This is comes from a direct call to rpmbuild from the tmp directory that checkinstall created, using the spec file therein. So, has anyone ever used checkinstall/rpmbuild in a non-root (non-sudo, non-su) environment? Any solutions from the checkinstall gurus here? Now its almost 5 hrs behind this from 2 minutes!!!!!! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From juankawada at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 04:58:27 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:58:27 -0600 Subject: dvds won't play, libdvdcss installed In-Reply-To: References: <200810041516.25147.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: didn't seem to work. what really gets me is that it won't even play my region-free unencrypted dvds. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Jerry Lapham > wrote: > > On Saturday 04 October 2008 2:30:24 pm Juan Kawada wrote: > > > >> I have two dvd players, my old one recently broke, so I took it out > today. > >> Now when I try to play dvds in my new drive I get an error message > saying > >> that the dvd is encrypted and that I need to run "sudo > >> /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" to install a decryptor. > >> Dvds played fine before. > >> I've run sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh > >> I've uninstalled kaffeine and reinstalled it > >> and than tried "sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" again > >> > >> anyone know the problem? > > > > Here's what happened to me: > > > >> > And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing > >> > device link. > >> > >> Actually, it was neither. I received an email today with a .wmv file as > an > >> attachment. When I tried to open the .wmv file with Kaffeine, I got a > >> message that some codecs were missing and did I want to install them. I > >> said "OK" and it did. Now not only can I run the .wmv video but the DVD > >> video also works. The laptop, which could run the DVD video before can > >> also play the .wmv video. > > > > Try it and see if it works for you. > > > > -Jerry > > The smart ass in me is being held down. This is like the 4th separate > time this has come up on this list in the last few months. I wish as a > minimum people would stop giving bad advice and Google the answer up. > Watch this turn out to be a new problem. LOL. > > Just remove (rename it to something else with the word backup is > better) the file called > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > Then reboot your computer. > > All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems > and will make ALL the software work. > > I Googled it because I forgot the file name and found that there is a > LOT of bad advice out there about how to fix this problem!! I guess > asking here is a good idea! > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Tue Oct 7 05:29:51 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:29:51 +0200 Subject: glxgears running slow - 8.10 Message-ID: <48EAF3CF.3070301@prayingforisrael.net> I did a clean install of 8.10 on my boy's box. It's an athlon decent powered machine (about 4 years old) with a pci express Nvidia graphics card - can't remember all the details - but never had problems running 3D apps before. I installed the Nvidia graphics driver (as Kubuntu recommended - restricted drivers) and glxgears gives a lowly plus/minus 800 FPS. My Dell Inspiron 1525 runs at 1158.077 FPS plus/minus. How can I increase the FPS on my boy's box? They really want to play some 3D games - and I don't want them using my laptop all the time ;-) Blessings, Nigel -- From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 07:34:16 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: kfontview problem viewing In-Reply-To: <200810062219.56872.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <540267.64477.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, Glen, I've read your e-mail. I don't have your problem, but I was thinking it might be a locale issue or xserver / fontserver issue. A least I had troubles time ago when using not UTF btw exotic locales, but I am afraid it is not what is bugging you. I'm not using NVidia card and no 3D (OpenGL). regards --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Glenn R Williams wrote: > From: Glenn R Williams > Subject: kfontview problem viewing > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 4:19 AM > Hi All, > > I notice that I am still having a problem with kfontview: > both from the > command line and with the Settings --> Font Installer > (in the Standard > Preview window). Simply put: nothing shows up (no > characters, just white > space). > > I reported this problem (KDE Bug 170435), but it seems only > to affect a few > people. The maintainer thinks it might be a video card > issues (Nvidia GE Force > 8600), but that doesn't seem right, since I can see the > characters Gnome > FontViewer. > > Also, the characters show up if I print to a pdf file! > > Does anyone here have that problems. Just go to the command > line and type: > > kfontview > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > (or any other truetype font). > > Can you see anything of the sample text? > > So far, about three people have reported the problem, and > everyone else seems > okay. > > TIA, > > Glenn > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 07:57:47 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810062145.52298.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <481453.90884.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, this hole story (I'm catching up now) gave me a good mood this morning. About an year ago when I read about kde 4, I was thinking well ... kde 3 started working for me when it was in version 3.4-3.5, it might be true for kde 4 too, so I told everybody around me who's using linux with kde to not update/upgrade or what ever. Most of the people have this microsoft newbie illness to have the latest version installed (mostly without doing a backup before). Few months ago I moved to kubuntu from debian, because on my notebook it's running better. I read then that the Hardy 8.04 version will be supported few years more (I think 5 - not quite sure). So I think Hardy will keep the kde 3 stuff and I think this is what everybody who's not testing kde and kubuntu needs right now. What I'm interested in is if other non kde apps btw. known bugs in kde apps will be maintained. I don't want to go with bugs or compile fixes for the next 2 years and mostly after I spent few days to configure my notebook the way I like it. Last but not least. Kubuntu (hardy) and Debian (lenny) offer kde 3.5 and kde 4.1 at the same time, so I think choice is present. If some users do want to have this chioce in the next version of kubuntu, why not give it. I would be also happy to have more choice. Actually my best linux experience was with debian stable, but on the notebook I'm pretty limitted in what I can do with this version. Please answer the question about maintanance it's important for me thanks --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Brendan wrote: > From: Brendan > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:45 AM > On Monday 06 October 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > > p.daniels wrote: > > > That's not true. Every point you've > forwarded in this discussion has > > > been addressed by someone (I just went through > the archive, so yeah, I'm > > > sure). If you can find a counter-example please > quote it. > > > > The fact that moving forward in spite of public > outcry, now twice, even > > "Public outcry"??? > > Oh, this is getting ridiculous. KDE 3 is available. Go use > it in 8.04 and be > happy. Can't have everything, I guess. > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Oct 7 08:24:54 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:24:54 +0200 Subject: firefox CPU usage In-Reply-To: <1223304964.5956.4.camel@midnight> References: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> <1223304964.5956.4.camel@midnight> Message-ID: Hi all, On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Steve Grace wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:47 +0200, Gianluca Cerminara wrote: > >> I'm running 8.04 with the latest greatest firefox and I notice that the >> browser is always at the top of the list for CPU usage....any suggestion >> about how to avoid it? >> This is particularly annoying especially when running on battery. > > To find out if it's an add-on causing the problem, start Firefox in safe > mode with add-ons disabled. From a terminal, enter "firefox > --safe-mode". > > Also, could it be a problem with a particular site? I've seen > poorly-written advertising banners use all available CPU. Then use add-block. Firefox also uses a lot of CPU here on my old laptop. I try not to use too many extensions, they usually eat a lot of power too. I minimised my extensions to add-block and no-scripts, which tunes down the CPU usage. Especially no-scripts is great, my CPU load for Firefox 3.0.3 is below that of the X server and stays at about an average 10%, with about 10 open tabs. Also avoid automatic tab reloads, this is very power consuming. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 08:40:23 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EAB225.7090907@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <544767.16481.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Steve, hello, and hello to everybody here on this list again. Steve, I had a similar discussion about the linux kernel on the linux usb-devel list, 'cause they said they don't support older kernels. "old" they mean is the recent stable release. I spent few hours in analyzing what they say and found out they are right from their point of view. I think it is important that things move forward, so they have to move forward. You are right when you say, they don't write things in "clear text" and few friends of mine did install kde 4 without reading what actually they get into. I read few discussion about kde 4 few months ago installed it in a vmware and came to the conclusion, that it's too early for me to move to kde4. As in windows world there has to come "service pack 4" so the thing gets stable and usable, so I think kde 4.4 is the point where I'll think about moving to it. Indeed kde 3.4 was the first version of kde I was happy with. About the 3D stuff - it's not a linux/kde/kubuntu problem. I am one of those who are discriminated by intel chips, which do not support 3d on two monitors i.e. resolution above 2048x2048, so it's mainly a driver, manufacturer issue, especially because GL stuff is partly proprietary, but as you say you are experienced user you should know this already, so we can not blame the community, because they do what they can. What I think you are right with, is when you say developers and maintainers do underestimate our experience. I hate it when developers make statements not knowing the background, so guys please think that you just may be writing to someone that has more experience with hard/software then you. If we put wuestions here then it is for some good reason and calling us "trolls" or whatever is not pretty kind. In fact there are many examples where "improvments" turn to be "misprovments" so you have to be able to accept more then one (yours) opinion and think about if the things we say do not make at least a little sense. What I'm missing is a central support place, but well linux is for free - the developers/maintainers say if you want linux support, you have to pay for it and few distributions offer it, including kubuntu I think. I also think (based on about 9-10 years linux expereience) that (if you are not forced to use RadHat or SuSE licensed distros) the base way to go is k/ubuntu for notebooks and desktops and debian stable on servers. The way debian organises their distros is excelent and mostly because they have something called stable which it is really stable. I've tried debian testing on my notebook but there are things changing too often and at few points things broke, so I hope k/ubuntu offers a stable moderate release for desktop systems. The fact it is debian based makes it more atractive to me. Steve, I think you are mostly right, but at some points I give the right to your oponents, but who am I anyway to judge on it. I just wanted to say that developers are pretty neglecting and too self confident, unable to understand the other point of view. And this is a _big_ problem, because I don't see how mere users would start using linux distros this way. I think everybody would agree that it would be nice to have more linux users out there - how if developers and maintainers do not take care of our needs? How if you don't think ahead of what we (users) need? I'm also sick of permanently fixing something and crossing fingers when I' doing an upgrade, not because I do not make a backup, but because I think some smart developer could tested something more precisely. Anyway arguing around is the thing we all do not need and I hope both sides would agree there is a need of improvement and here comes the truth. You guys who develop stuff and maintain it _should_ agree that _you_ did not do your job at 100%. Then you have to learn from the error and improve next time. A user can not do anything about it, so stop telling me I'm or Steve or someone else is blaming, because we have the right to and we, at least I don't make it for fun. Steve, I still do not understand why you picked up 8.10 beta??? and then complain about. If it's beta it's pretty clear it's not someething for the everyday life? regards --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Steve Lamb wrote: > From: Steve Lamb > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 2:49 AM > Graham Todd wrote: > > I can believe that many of the points you raise have > not been > > addressed, but without changing your distribution to > something like > > Debian, they will never be addressed until a volunteer > somewhere can > > devote time to do it. People making remarks such as > "I do not want to > > be a beta tester" lose sight of what kind of an > operating system Linux > > really is: new developments are put out for us to try > and make better, > > so in a sense if you want to use Linux you ARE going > to be a beta > > tester. > > And this is the problem. Again, this has been > rebutted, by me, days ago. > > Just read a few URLs for me, ok? > > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy > http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu > http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition > > Tell me where in there it says we're "ARE > going to be a beta tester." I'm > curious since the word beta does not appear on any of those > pages. However > phrases like "ready-to-use" and "just > works" do appear. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1998/10/msg00077.html > > Notice the distribution, the from and the date and > consider what you're > telling me to do quoted above. If I wanted to do testing > and development work > I would still be running Debian on my (now 3) machines onto > which I've > installed KUbuntu. I am on KUbuntu because I got really > tired of having to > fight with my display drivers to get 3D working. Tired of > fighting with X to > get a display at all working. Tired of things not working. > However Debian > would be the only choice for my servers. It still is, in > fact, on the two I > maintain. > > So, now to put a blunt point on it. I am KUbuntu user > who has stated > here he's personally happy to use 4.1.1 on two of his > machines, who has 10 > years of experience in Debian, who is pointing out that in > spite of his > personal experience in bugs, software design and > long-standing experience in > Linux that the current move to KDE 4.x by KUbuntu is wrong. > You are telling > that person that, in spite of the word "beta" nor > "testing" anywhere on the > main public pages of the Ubuntu project he should expect > beta testing as the > mere price of running Linux and if he really, really wants > to improve > things... to go to Debian? > > I hope you will consider how that sounds. I know you > didn't know my > history with Linux. I don't like bringing it up since > most people take it as > a dick-waving contest. But honestly, of all the > presumptions people are > making about my stance being inexperienced, unwilling to > test and unwilling to > try KDE4 are the furthest from the truth. Unfortunately > when that is > understood you see that most of the pat answers that people > give fall flat. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Oct 7 08:44:03 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:44:03 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> References: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Message-ID: Hi Billie, On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Decided that I might give 8.10 a try and see just what it's all about. > Loaded it on a separate hard drive. Looks nice and works my poor little > eMachine quite well. No major hiccups so far. > > THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says "Desktop". How > can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing button and the > main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it was still > there and something stupid was covering my task bar. You just had a plasma crash. Try again to remove the "Folder view" widget, it might work the second time. I managed to disable it without problems, but plasma is sometimes a bit bitchy :) (remember this is beta! ) And that "something stupid" are the widgets which appear on the top left by default. Just drag them away, this only happens when plasma crashes. One small suggestion: if you use a panel on top, avoid using it full lenght, so you have a small space to drag widgets easily. KDE 4 is currently configured to work with a panel at the bottom. You will also have to reconfigure the mouse moves for the active desktop if you want to use it, as "pushing top left" is used for a 3D functionality. ... > Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more junk. But you don't have to :) Some people want their desktop clustered (remember Win screenshots with "everything" on the desktop?). Left click does nothing, right click of course opens a context window where you "can" choose things. Just don't do right clicks :) As for now you can configure almost everything in KDE 4.1.2. It works like a charm on my old machine (Pentium IV with 1 Gb RAM). (except for Kontact, but that is another story...) Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Oct 7 09:00:37 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:00:37 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EAADD4.6010701@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> <200810061416.48135.teeahr1@gmail.com> <48EAADD4.6010701@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: Hi Steve, On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > p.daniels wrote: >> That's not true. Every point you've forwarded in this discussion has >> been addressed by someone (I just went through the archive, so yeah, I'm >> sure). If you can find a counter-example please quote it. > > The fact that moving forward in spite of public outcry, now twice, even > though the alternative is still viable in spite of what the developers might > thing? Public outcry? So <10 people complaining in a list with hundreds of subscribers is a public outcry? Don't exagerate! @all: Don't feed the troll(s) Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From guido.dom at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 09:26:57 2008 From: guido.dom at gmail.com (guido dom) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:26:57 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Message-ID: Hello May I add my feelings? 8.04 (and beta 8.10) may be improvements for some but not for me. My audio and my webcam are no longer recognised in my Medion MD 96640 laptop but do work in my desktop - although somewhat older) and do not work in the new kernel. This is not only the case with Ubuntu but also with Linux Mint and Debian 5.0 Lenny. Wireless is impossible, even with the Windows drivers (via ndiswrapper). An external usb (Belkin) adapter works now and then. Upgrading is not always an improvement. I did submit the bug (is it a bug?) but:no solution up till now. Yes, solution: stick with 7.10 wherin everything works. By the way: the same is true for Kubuntu and KDE 2008/10/7 Myriam Schweingruber > Hi Billie, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Decided that I might give 8.10 a try and see just what it's all about. > > Loaded it on a separate hard drive. Looks nice and works my poor little > > eMachine quite well. No major hiccups so far. > > > > THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says "Desktop". How > > can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing button and the > > main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it was still > > there and something stupid was covering my task bar. > > You just had a plasma crash. Try again to remove the "Folder view" > widget, it might work the second time. I managed to disable it without > problems, but plasma is sometimes a bit bitchy :) (remember this is > beta! ) And that "something stupid" are the widgets which appear on > the top left by default. Just drag them away, this only happens when > plasma crashes. > One small suggestion: if you use a panel on top, avoid using it full > lenght, so you have a small space to drag widgets easily. KDE 4 is > currently configured to work with a panel at the bottom. You will also > have to reconfigure the mouse moves for the active desktop if you want > to use it, as "pushing top left" is used for a 3D functionality. > > ... > > Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more junk. > > But you don't have to :) Some people want their desktop clustered > (remember Win screenshots with "everything" on the desktop?). Left > click does nothing, right click of course opens a context window where > you "can" choose things. Just don't do right clicks :) > > As for now you can configure almost everything in KDE 4.1.2. It works > like a charm on my old machine (Pentium IV with 1 Gb RAM). (except for > Kontact, but that is another story...) > > Greets > > Myriam > > -- > Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Tel:+32 (0)58 239804 +32 (0)497 538736 Nog een mooie dag toegewenst. Guido (dompie) Dom Registered Linux (Ubuntu) User # 462578 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Tue Oct 7 09:43:09 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:43:09 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1223372589.6820.4.camel@un> ya 2.6.27 kernel doesn't work for me on intel dualcore i tried mandriva fedora and intrepid all the same the kernel doesn't start ! Le mardi 07 octobre 2008 à 11:26 +0200, guido dom a écrit : > Hello > May I add my feelings? > 8.04 (and beta 8.10) may be improvements for some but not for me. > My audio and my webcam are no longer recognised in my Medion MD 96640 > laptop but do work in my desktop - although somewhat older) and do not > work in the new kernel. This is not only the case with Ubuntu but also > with Linux Mint and Debian 5.0 Lenny. > Wireless is impossible, even with the Windows drivers (via > ndiswrapper). > An external usb (Belkin) adapter works now and then. > > Upgrading is not always an improvement. > > I did submit the bug (is it a bug?) but:no solution up till now. > Yes, solution: stick with 7.10 wherin everything works. > > By the way: the same is true for Kubuntu and KDE > > > 2008/10/7 Myriam Schweingruber > Hi Billie, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Billie Walsh > wrote: > > Decided that I might give 8.10 a try and see just what it's > all about. > > Loaded it on a separate hard drive. Looks nice and works my > poor little > > eMachine quite well. No major hiccups so far. > > > > THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says > "Desktop". How > > can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing > button and the > > main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it > was still > > there and something stupid was covering my task bar. > > You just had a plasma crash. Try again to remove the "Folder > view" > widget, it might work the second time. I managed to disable it > without > problems, but plasma is sometimes a bit bitchy :) (remember > this is > beta! ) And that "something stupid" are the widgets which > appear on > the top left by default. Just drag them away, this only > happens when > plasma crashes. > One small suggestion: if you use a panel on top, avoid using > it full > lenght, so you have a small space to drag widgets easily. KDE > 4 is > currently configured to work with a panel at the bottom. You > will also > have to reconfigure the mouse moves for the active desktop if > you want > to use it, as "pushing top left" is used for a 3D > functionality. > > ... > > Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more > junk. > > But you don't have to :) Some people want their desktop > clustered > (remember Win screenshots with "everything" on the desktop?). > Left > click does nothing, right click of course opens a context > window where > you "can" choose things. Just don't do right clicks :) > > As for now you can configure almost everything in KDE 4.1.2. > It works > like a charm on my old machine (Pentium IV with 1 Gb RAM). > (except for > Kontact, but that is another story...) > > Greets > > Myriam > > -- > Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > Tel:+32 (0)58 239804 +32 (0)497 538736 > > Nog een mooie dag toegewenst. > > Guido (dompie) Dom > Registered Linux (Ubuntu) User # 462578 > From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 09:49:30 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:49:30 -0400 Subject: konqueror 4.1.2 problems Message-ID: <200810070549.30443.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Has anyone seen the following behaviors in 4.1.2? 1. When certain links call for a new tab result in opening a new window with 2 new tabs despite checking the box "Open links in new tab instead of new window" in the Configure Konqueror > General config window. Opening links that call for a new tab (rather than window) behave correctly. 2. When closing a tab, focus is returned to the adjacent tab, not the previously open one despite having the appropriate box checked. 3. When clicking on a link in an e-mail (reader doesn't matter) and a konqi window is already open on another virtual desktop, I get a dialog box asking if I want to restore the previous session. No matter which choice I make, a new window opens on the current desktop taking be to the selected link. However the previously open window(s) become unusable; any attempt to call a URL results in an error message that the protocol isn't supported. Opening a new konqi (not Open New Window) results in correct behavior. Are there any fixes available? Paul From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 11:37:44 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <1223372589.6820.4.camel@un> Message-ID: <959400.24405.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, Girard, most of the problems you describe here are neither kde, nor kubuntu issues. kernel is kernel, so right place is to bug the kernel people. In fact how can you expect something top work, that is in rc (release candidate) state? The fact that it has not been released speaks itself . Install the debian kernel 2.6.26-1-686 - you can download the packages from debian.org. I did and it works just fine (on desktop,notebook etc) My webcam works, my wireless works and so on. I downloaded those packages: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-5_i386.deb linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common_2.6.26-5_i386.deb linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-5_i386.deb linux-kbuild-2.6.26_2.6.26-3_i386.deb linux-source-2.6.26_2.6.26-5_all.deb linux-support-2.6.26-1_2.6.26-5_all.deb linux-tree-2.6.26_2.6.26-5_all.deb Where did you get the 2.6.27 kernel from - did you compile yourself? Please describe the problems more precisely and may be provide a debug output! --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Girard Henri wrote: > > My audio and my webcam are no longer recognised in my > Medion MD 96640 > > laptop but do work in my desktop - although somewhat > older) and do not what kind of audio chip and webcam model do you have inside/outside? > > work in the new kernel. This is not only the case with > Ubuntu but also > > with Linux Mint and Debian 5.0 Lenny. > > Wireless is impossible, even with the Windows drivers > (via > > ndiswrapper). Did you mean you tried the 2.6.27 kernel on those distros. Well if there is a driver issue or kernel issue, then it wont work in any distro ... that's why it's called kernel - doesn't it? > > An external usb (Belkin) adapter works now and then. > > YOu mean also with 2.6.27? > > Upgrading is not always an improvement. > > NO especially without complete backup before ;-) > > I did submit the bug (is it a bug?) but:no solution up > till now. > > Yes, solution: stick with 7.10 wherin everything > works. > > > > By the way: the same is true for Kubuntu and KDE what is the same to be true - did not understand the reference? reagards From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 12:00:31 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, again, the fact, that we don't complain or write, does not mean that we do not exist, or if we exist that we are happy with what you are doing. and stop calling me a troll - some developer ideas are really bad, and support is even worse, but I keep my mouth shut because everything is for free. What I stated in other lists is that there are many people like me who want to have something more stable and the way you move forward doesn't always guarantee this. In fact after each update/upgrade there are mostly planty of things to be fixed, so I think you should pay attention at shat you are saying, because you also can not backup your statements. no body is perfect right? What some people are not doing is to explain why something happens and how it can be done better next time. I think you (happy users and developers) and we (not so happy users and developers) have to learn from mistakes at both sides. How long will be kde 3.5 supported in kubuntu this is the question! This means how long will be 8.04 supported? Until then I don't complain, and may be next time you should spent more time to talk about when you go with new kde major version. And why not do it like suse to release kubuntu 9.X which would be kde4? Don't know about the plans of kubuntu, but don't like to hear all the time I'm a troll if I complain. Nothing is perfect so complaining is natural thing and you'll have to live with. If you don't like the discussion delete the mail or unsubscribe. I like this discussion, because I think people are right to complain, because there was not enough publicity of what was happening. I remember I 've seen a very good presentation about kde4 at the beginning of this year. I think everybody should have seen it to understand why and what is going on. Why people do not know about, because nobody told them. May be try to fix the cause and not the symptoms! regards --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > From: Myriam Schweingruber > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 11:00 AM > Hi Steve, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Steve Lamb > wrote: > > p.daniels wrote: > >> That's not true. Every point you've > forwarded in this discussion has > >> been addressed by someone (I just went through the > archive, so yeah, I'm > >> sure). If you can find a counter-example please > quote it. > > > > The fact that moving forward in spite of public > outcry, now twice, even > > though the alternative is still viable in spite of > what the developers might > > thing? > > Public outcry? So <10 people complaining in a list with > hundreds of > subscribers is a public outcry? > Don't exagerate! > > @all: Don't feed the troll(s) > > Greets > > Myriam > -- > Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From gloonie at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 13:15:14 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:15:14 -0400 Subject: kfontview problem viewing In-Reply-To: <540267.64477.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <540267.64477.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810070915.15066.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hello Emanoil, The funny thing is that the Gnome fontviewer works fine, as well as print a sample, as do all other applications (as far as I can see, anyway). It just seems to be kfontview and/or kfontinstaller. It almost sounds like a stray config file from any earlier release. If it were a server or library problem, wouldn't it show up elsewhere? Cheers, Glenn On Tuesday 07 October 2008 03:34:16 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hello, Glen, > > I've read your e-mail. I don't have your problem, but I was thinking it > might be a locale issue or xserver / fontserver issue. A least I had > troubles time ago when using not UTF btw exotic locales, but I am afraid it > is not what is bugging you. > > I'm not using NVidia card and no 3D (OpenGL). > > regards > > --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > From: Glenn R Williams > > Subject: kfontview problem viewing > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 4:19 AM > > Hi All, > > > > I notice that I am still having a problem with kfontview: > > both from the > > command line and with the Settings --> Font Installer > > (in the Standard > > Preview window). Simply put: nothing shows up (no > > characters, just white > > space). > > > > I reported this problem (KDE Bug 170435), but it seems only > > to affect a few > > people. The maintainer thinks it might be a video card > > issues (Nvidia GE Force > > 8600), but that doesn't seem right, since I can see the > > characters Gnome > > FontViewer. > > > > Also, the characters show up if I print to a pdf file! > > > > Does anyone here have that problems. Just go to the command > > line and type: > > > > kfontview > > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > > > (or any other truetype font). > > > > Can you see anything of the sample text? > > > > So far, about three people have reported the problem, and > > everyone else seems > > okay. > > > > TIA, > > > > Glenn > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, bu hasret bizim -- Nazım Hikmet From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 7 13:24:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:24:20 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1362732.VEO42NZYZP@cedar.serverforest.com> guido dom wrote: > 8.04 (and beta 8.10) may be improvements for some but not for me. > My audio and my webcam are no longer recognised in my Medion MD 96640 > laptop but do work in my desktop - although somewhat older) and do not > work in the new kernel. This is not only the case with Ubuntu but also > with Linux Mint and Debian 5.0 Lenny. > Wireless is impossible, even with the Windows drivers (via ndiswrapper). > An external usb (Belkin) adapter works now and then. > > Upgrading is not always an improvement. These all sound like _kernel_ issues. I hope you realize that it's _really_ easy to keep old kernels around while allowing everything else to upgrade. I never did use a kernel from Hardy - the gutsy kernel worked, and the 2.6.26-5 kernel that I got from a _very_ early version of Intrepid worked. So I kept my gutsy kernel until I found another working kernel, then upgraded that, meanwhile everything else was upgraded to hardy. > > I did submit the bug (is it a bug?) but:no solution up till now. > Yes, solution: stick with 7.10 wherin everything works. For kernel-only problems, it's not much of a solution. > 2008/10/7 Myriam Schweingruber > >> It works >> like a charm on my old machine (Pentium IV with 1 Gb RAM). (except for >> Kontact, but that is another story...) >> Say it ain't so! kontact's the only story I want to hear... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 7 13:26:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:26:21 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <1223372589.6820.4.camel@un> <959400.24405.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > kernel is kernel, so right place is to bug the kernel people. In fact how > can you expect something top work, that is in rc (release candidate) > state? The fact that it has not been released speaks itself . That's the second time in two days I've seen someone say this. Of _course_ an rc release should work - almost 100% of the time. If you don't have a very good expectation of it working, it isn't ready for rc status. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 7 14:43:40 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:43:40 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <200810062145.52298.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <481453.90884.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3831012.ElSHSP5A5S@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > this hole story (I'm catching up now) gave me a good mood this morning. > About an year ago when I read about kde 4, I was thinking well ... kde 3 > started working for me when it was in version 3.4-3.5, it might be true > for kde 4 too, so I told everybody around me who's using linux with kde to > not update/upgrade or what ever. I, otoh, upgraded from KDE 1 to KDE2.0, from KDE 2 to KDE3.0 and yet had to skip 4.0 - and possibly 4.1. > Most of the people have this microsoft newbie illness to have the latest > version installed (mostly without doing a backup before). Oh, please don't blame Microsoft for that. In fact, most of the Windows users I know _don't_ have the latest version - and never have done. > I read then that the Hardy 8.04 version will be supported few years more > (I think 5 - not quite sure). So I think Hardy will keep the kde 3 stuff Kubuntu is NOT an LTS release - that means KDE 3 will NOT be supported past normal end-of-life (18 months? I'm an early adopter - I never know when things _stop_ being supported). LTS releases are supported for 3 years for the desktop versions (5 for servers). > What I'm interested in is if other non kde apps btw. known bugs in kde > apps will be maintained. The _non_ KDE apps will be _supported_ (because Ubuntu 8.04 IS an LTS release), but that's not quite the same as "maintained" - they'll fix serious bugs only. > Last but not least. Kubuntu (hardy) and Debian (lenny) offer kde 3.5 and > kde 4.1 at the same time, so I think choice is present. Choice exists for now, but _not_ support beyond the normal 18 month cycle. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 15:33:23 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:33:23 +0300 Subject: glxgears running slow - 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EAF3CF.3070301@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EAF3CF.3070301@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48EB8143.9050008@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I did a clean install of 8.10 on my boy's box. It's an athlon decent powered machine (about 4 > years old) with a pci express Nvidia graphics card - can't remember all the details - but never > had problems running 3D apps before. > > I installed the Nvidia graphics driver (as Kubuntu recommended - restricted drivers) and glxgears > gives a lowly plus/minus 800 FPS. > My Dell Inspiron 1525 runs at 1158.077 FPS plus/minus. > > How can I increase the FPS on my boy's box? They really want to play some 3D games - and I don't > want them using my laptop all the time ;-) > > Blessings, > > Nigel > are desktop effects on? firstly, if you want games, desktop effects makes games' screen glitchy, it's better to turn them off. on my PC, i get around 1300 FPS when desktop effects are on, and i'm not touching anything, as soon as i start moving the mouse it goes down to 700. but if effects are off, it would go to 2000 on rest, and about 1500 when moving the mouse over various plasma objects. BTW, alt-f12 is a hotkey for toggling effects on and off -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 7 15:46:00 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:46:00 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <48EAB2E7.50908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48EB8438.5000306@swbell.net> First off I want to thank the first person that replied to this thread. That message is on the 8.04 drive and right now I'm on 8.10 so I can't give their name. Sorry. [ I haven't tried to move those messages over yet. ] Anyway, the widget thingy worked to get my taskbar where I wanted it. It apears to me that the taskbar width [ height ? ] has regressed back to earlier days. When you make it bigger the everything on it just gets bigger rather than staying the same size so you get more on it. Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Billie, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Decided that I might give 8.10 a try and see just what it's all about. >> Loaded it on a separate hard drive. Looks nice and works my poor little >> eMachine quite well. No major hiccups so far. >> >> THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says "Desktop". How >> can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing button and the >> main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it was still >> there and something stupid was covering my task bar. >> > > You just had a plasma crash. Try again to remove the "Folder view" > widget, it might work the second time. I managed to disable it without > problems, but plasma is sometimes a bit bitchy :) (remember this is > beta! ) And that "something stupid" are the widgets which appear on > the top left by default. Just drag them away, this only happens when > plasma crashes. > That's ok. I can be a bit bitchy once in a while myself. *<]:oD It did go away with the "Remove Widget" option. Thank you. > One small suggestion: if you use a panel on top, avoid using it full > lenght, so you have a small space to drag widgets easily. KDE 4 is > currently configured to work with a panel at the bottom. You will also > have to reconfigure the mouse moves for the active desktop if you want > to use it, as "pushing top left" is used for a 3D functionality. > The widget gizmo at the top right moved down below the taskbar so it's not a problem. I never say "never' but for the foreseeable future I'm not to interested in 3-D stuff. Perhaps someday. If that time comes it may move on it's own like the widget gizmo. > ... > >> Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more junk. >> > > But you don't have to :) Some people want their desktop clustered > (remember Win screenshots with "everything" on the desktop?). Left > click does nothing, right click of course opens a context window where > you "can" choose things. Just don't do right clicks :) > On my better half's computer [ XP - I can't get her to try Linux yet ] you can't even see the wall paper for all the junk on the screen. It seems to work for her but if/when I have to do something on her computer it's frustrating trying to find the icon for it. > As for now you can configure almost everything in KDE 4.1.2. It works > like a charm on my old machine (Pentium IV with 1 Gb RAM). (except for > Kontact, but that is another story...) > > Greets > > Myriam > > Coming from Windows 1 through XP I found KDE 3.x to be pretty much intuitive to use and configure. It seems to me that KDE 4.x is pretty much non-intuitive. [ Possibly more intuitive if your migrating from Vista but not from an earlier KDE or Windows system user. ] Has anyone figured out how to hide the taskbar yet? Perhaps that function isn't available yet. I really think that in the near future most people will stop thinking that KDE 3.x was the greatest thing since pockets and like KDE 4.x. Then they will get all testy again when KDE 5.x comes out. Remember, The only constant is change. [ usually towards entropy ] From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 7 16:02:07 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:02:07 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <200810061439.43830.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <20081006190353.GA19131@dmiyu.org> <200810061416.48135.teeahr1@gmail.com> <48EAADD4.6010701@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <20081007160207.GA30766@dmiyu.org> On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 11:00:37AM +0200, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Public outcry? So <10 people complaining in a list with hundreds of > subscribers is a public outcry? > Don't exagerate! Don't dissemble, there have been dozens going back months. > @all: Don't feed the troll(s) That'd be you? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is that people don't want to move forward right now because now is not the time in their opinion. > About the 3D stuff - it's not a linux/kde/kubuntu problem. I am one of those > who are discriminated by intel chips, which do not support 3d on two > monitors i.e. resolution above 2048x2048, so it's mainly a driver, > manufacturer issue, especially because GL stuff is partly proprietary, but > as you say you are experienced user you should know this already, so we can > not blame the community, because they do what they can. Actually, what i was referring to were the days back when installing the binary drivers meant downloading them, compiling by hand, for each kernel, and editing the xorg.conf to use the driver without messing up anything else. It was a long process which, if you did it many times, was 30m start to finish. But if you're a person who compiles rarely and only did it once every 6-7 months when the kernel moved forward it was 2-3 hours and many reboots. At the time I argued for the practical approach of having those as packages in non-free just so it would work. Many people argued against it based on the purity of the distribution. It annoyed me to no end. So when Mepis, then another Debian based distribution and finally Ubuntu took the practical over the pure approach I switched to them. I agree that the manufacturers are not doing as much as they could to ensure their devices are working on Linux. The wireless and 3-D problems that are endemic on Ubuntu (and Linux in general) I do not blame on Canonical (or Debian, Red Har, Fedora, etc) but on the manufacturers. > Steve, I still do not understand why you picked up 8.10 beta??? and then > complain about. If it's beta it's pretty clear it's not someething for the > everyday life? I'm not complaining about the beta. Notice in this entire thread I have not actively discussed problems with the software. I am discussing the process and choices that put the software in place. 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TIA Nigel -- From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Tue Oct 7 16:54:46 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:54:46 +0200 Subject: Adding new users problem in 8.10 Message-ID: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> I am trying to add two new users to a fresh install of 8.10. I use kuser and fill in the right fields, add a password, keep the checkboxes for adding a /home directory and skeleton for the new user. Everything seems to be OK until I try to log in as that new user. I get an error message [in a nice little box]: Cannot enter home directory. Using /. Then another error message, when I click 'OK': Could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation. When I check /home, there are no [/home/new_user] entries for the new users. Anybody had success in adding a new user? Nigel -- From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 16:55:06 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:55:06 +0000 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 Message-ID: <100720081655.13557.48EB946A000520E9000034F52205886014CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Don't know, but you can open konsole and sudo konqueror. P -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Nigel Ridley > What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > > I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a directory. > > TIA > > Nigel > > -- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From chief at porterfire.org Tue Oct 7 16:57:37 2008 From: chief at porterfire.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:57:37 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions Message-ID: <200810071257.38024.lists@ptfd.org> On Monday 06 October 2008 20:52:55 Billie Walsh wrote: > Decided that I might give 8.10 a try and see just what it's all about. > Loaded it on a separate hard drive. Looks nice and works my poor little > eMachine quite well. No major hiccups so far. > > First impressions. I still can't stand that "new" KDE menu system. Can't > stand it in Vista either so it's not just a KDE thing. Is there a way > to configure it back to the old style someplace? In earlier versions you > could right click near the big "K" and get to a configuration window > where you could reset the height of the panel and place it where you > want it and all that stuff. [ I like mine at the top of the screen and > hidden. I also like it a little taller than "normal" ] I also want to > have the quick start panel back. I like to use it for all the things > that I run constantly. I clicked just about everything I could find and > never found any way to make the changes I want. Is the ability to do > this stuff in KDE4? > > THEN, there's this big ugly box on my desktop that says "Desktop". How > can you get rid of that thing? I clicked on the closing button and the > main desktop went away for a second and when it came back it was still > there and something stupid was covering my task bar. Like to never > figured out how to bet my task bar back. The yellow notepad thingy went > away when I clicked the "x". I do NOT like a bunch of "junk" on my > desktop. I want it clean [ unlike the desk the computer sits on *<]:oD > ]. Just about everywhere you click it wants to add even more junk. > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. Anyone know if Virtualbox works yet?, And googledesktop? Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:57:54 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:57:54 +0300 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48EB9512.4030408@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > > I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a directory. > > TIA > > Nigel > it's kdesudo now, -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From kmchaukade at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 17:24:45 2008 From: kmchaukade at gmail.com (KISHOR CHAUKADE) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:54:45 +0530 Subject: Adding new users problem in 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I am trying to add two new users to a fresh install of 8.10. > I use kuser and fill in the right fields, add a password, keep the > checkboxes for adding a /home > directory and skeleton for the new user. > Everything seems to be OK until I try to log in as that new user. I get an > error message [in a > nice little box]: > Cannot enter home directory. Using /. > Then another error message, when I click 'OK': > Could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation. > > When I check /home, there are no [/home/new_user] entries for the new > users. > > Anybody had success in adding a new user? > > Nigel > > -- How can I configure the broadband connection, local connection automatically setup but it is not possible me to configure my broadband connection on kubuntu .Please help me. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 17:36:04 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:36:04 +0300 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB9512.4030408@gmail.com> <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48EB9E04.1@gmail.com> Jim wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> What happened to kdesu in KDE4? >>> >>> I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a directory. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Nigel >>> >>> >> it's kdesudo now, >> >> > Start the Terminal, and then type in su - , then password, then type in > konqueror as root. > > i'm afraid that won't work, it would complain about something like couldn't find an X server or something, "sudo konqueror" in terminal, or "kdesudo konqueror" in the run dialog are his options -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 17:42:23 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:42:23 +0200 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB9512.4030408@gmail.com> <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <880dece00810071042u79e61b5dn68f5f1d8ce258376@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/7 Jim : > Start the Terminal, and then type in su - , then password, then type in > konqueror as root. hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ su - Password: root at hardy2-laptop:~# konqueror konqueror: cannot connect to X server -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Oct 7 17:58:02 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:58:02 +0200 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: hi Nigel, On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > > I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a directory. Normally, kdesudo should work, at least it does on my 8.10, just tried it If nothing else works, add a directory in the command line: sudo mkdir /whatever/directoryyouneed Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:10:06 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:10:06 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hello, > > again, the fact, that we don't complain or write, does not mean that we do not exist, or if we exist that we are happy with what you are doing. > I have been holding back because most of what needs to be said, is being said already. The thing that troubles me the most is the statement by someone, and the acceptance by others, that Linux users are all beta testers and we should accept that. For some, Linux in general, and Kubuntu in particular may be a hobby, but for me and many others, it is THE tool we use to get our work done. I prefer Linux over Windows because, among other things, it has been more stable and secure for me. My production boxes are not tests or experiments, but tools that I rely upon in my job and in serious personal responsibilities. I have the luxury, because of my work, to surround myself with as many computers as my desk space allows. And I usually have one configured as a testing box, but the other 3 are meant to work. My job is not to spend my time fixing problems with my personal desktops, but to use them to administer the rest of the office and network. So I think it is great to offer works in progress to the masses for testing and previews, but a serious distro needs to offer a stable system by default. (we have already established that Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS, so saying that is the stable alternative is not at all accurate) At this point, Intrepid is not usable on a new Dell Optiplex 740 with ATI graphics and a widescreen LCD. I have not found a resolution that works and my mouse is functional, but invisible. I have no doubt that will soon be fixed, but I had a more workable Feisty, Gutsy and Hardy by late August than Intreptid seems to be coming into mid October. Thinking of Linux users as all beta testers plays into the fears of those who cling to the commercial OSs, that Linux is a toy for the hobbyist, and not usable by the masses or ready to support the enterprise. 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Did you check the font paths in KDE - may be they are messed up? let us compare also versions. /usr/bin/kfontview -v Qt: 3.3.8b KDE: 3.5.9 Font Viewer: try to purge and install - means better login to the console (not using X) and reinstall kcontrol. I would purge and apt-get install but people suggest apt-get --reinstall install. the first will may be lead to purge of most of the kde stuff ... I don't know which would be better for you. may be try apt-get --reinstall and if it doesn't change anything the dpkg--purge dpkg -S /usr/bin/kfontview kcontrol: /usr/bin/kfontview regards --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Glenn R Williams wrote: > From: Glenn R Williams > Subject: Re: kfontview problem viewing > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:15 PM > Hello Emanoil, > > The funny thing is that the Gnome fontviewer works fine, as > well as print a > sample, as do all other applications (as far as I can see, > anyway). It just > seems to be kfontview and/or kfontinstaller. It almost > sounds like a stray > config file from any earlier release. > > If it were a server or library problem, wouldn't it > show up elsewhere? > > Cheers, > > Glenn > > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 03:34:16 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > Hello, Glen, > > > > I've read your e-mail. I don't have your > problem, but I was thinking it > > might be a locale issue or xserver / fontserver issue. > A least I had > > troubles time ago when using not UTF btw exotic > locales, but I am afraid it > > is not what is bugging you. > > > > I'm not using NVidia card and no 3D (OpenGL). > > > > regards > > > > --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Glenn R Williams > wrote: > > > From: Glenn R Williams > > > > Subject: kfontview problem viewing > > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 4:19 AM > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I notice that I am still having a problem with > kfontview: > > > both from the > > > command line and with the Settings --> Font > Installer > > > (in the Standard > > > Preview window). Simply put: nothing shows up (no > > > characters, just white > > > space). > > > > > > I reported this problem (KDE Bug 170435), but it > seems only > > > to affect a few > > > people. The maintainer thinks it might be a video > card > > > issues (Nvidia GE Force > > > 8600), but that doesn't seem right, since I > can see the > > > characters Gnome > > > FontViewer. > > > > > > Also, the characters show up if I print to a pdf > file! > > > > > > Does anyone here have that problems. Just go to > the command > > > line and type: > > > > > > kfontview > > > > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > > > > > (or any other truetype font). > > > > > > Can you see anything of the sample text? > > > > > > So far, about three people have reported the > problem, and > > > everyone else seems > > > okay. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- > Glenn R Williams > ------------------------- > Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür > ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, > bu hasret bizim > -- Nazım Hikmet > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From michael at weblore.com Tue Oct 7 18:26:28 2008 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:26:28 -0500 Subject: Error Printing in Java Message-ID: <200810071326.28834.michael@weblore.com> There is a known error printing from Java from the Ubuntu releases. The workaround is to change the paper orientation in CUPS from automatic to whatever (probably portrait, but others work - just not automatic). The problem is that I can't find how / where to do that in kubuntu. Apparently the Gnome sysadmin utilities have this option, but I can't find it anywhere in the KDE utilities. Would someone be so kind as to point out to me how this is done in this flavor of Ubuntu? Thanks in advance ---Michael From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 7 18:32:02 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:32:02 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081007183202.GB2319@dmiyu.org> On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 02:10:06PM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > I have been holding back because most of what needs to be said, is being > said already. Well said, sir. I am in awe at your elegance. -- Steve C. 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Scroll down to the bottom of the .desktop file, and change the line NoDisplay=true, so that it reads NoDisplay=false, and the superuser file manager will be added to KDE's menu at system/more applications, and if you are using KDE4.1 you should be able to drag the icon to the desktop. Of course the path to konquerorsu.desktop if you are using KDE4 will be. /usr/share/applications/kde4/konquerorsu.desktop 2¢ worth of something that may help. Nigel. From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Oct 7 19:16:03 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:16:03 +0200 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810072116.03489.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 18:44, Nigel Ridley wrote: > What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > > I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a > directory. > > TIA > > Nigel I'm not running 8.10, or KDE4 on Kubuntu, but I've had problems with some distros where the superuser file manager is not on KDE's menu. Looking at HH 8.04, and KDE3, open Konsole, sudo kwrite, then navigate to /usr/share/applications/kde/konquerorsu.desktop. Scroll down to the bottom of the .desktop file, and change the line NoDisplay=true, so that it reads NoDisplay=false, and the superuser file manager will be added to KDE's menu at system/more applications, and if you are using KDE4.1 you should be able to drag the icon to the desktop. Of course the path to konquerorsu.desktop if you are using KDE4 will be. /usr/share/applications/kde4/konquerorsu.desktop 2¢ worth of something that may help. Nigel. From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 19:20:14 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:20:14 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> Hello, >> >> again, the fact, that we don't complain or write, does not mean that we do not exist, or if we exist that we are happy with what you are doing. >> > Art Alexion wrote > I have been holding back because most of what needs to be said, is being > said already. > > The thing that troubles me the most is the statement by someone, and the > acceptance by others, that Linux users are all beta testers and we > should accept that. > > For some, Linux in general, and Kubuntu in particular may be a hobby, > but for me and many others, it is THE tool we use to get our work done. > I prefer Linux over Windows because, among other things, it has been > more stable and secure for me. My production boxes are not tests or > experiments, but tools that I rely upon in my job and in serious > personal responsibilities. One thing to think about on this list is that most people talking on it are the people that are the devs, programmers and hobbyists. The people doing work with *ubuntu are off working and the average user is only here when they need help (for a newbie that is into banking or art and not computers, this is a really boring read!). I think it is obvious that *ubuntu is meant to be stable first and cutting edge second. Alpha, beta and rc are meant to be used by the helpers to find bugs. The bugs should be gone by final. As we all know, no one is perfect and some last minute bugs end up getting fixed in final. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Tue Oct 7 19:25:02 2008 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Thread hijacking] was: Re: Adding new users problem in 8.10 References: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:54:45 +0530, KISHOR CHAUKADE wrote: > How can I configure the broadband connection, local connection > automatically setup but it is not possible me to configure my broadband > connection on kubuntu .Please help me. Please don't hijack a thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8454 Best to start a new thread with a descriptive subject line. Also you might give some more information about what you have tried to configure your broadband connection. Good luck! -Frans From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 7 19:51:00 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:51:00 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EBB35C.70500@comcast.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <48EBB35C.70500@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810071551.00288.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday October 7 2008 3:07:08 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >
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> > lol! you are going to get it even worse for the html ! I think most, if not all of us agree on the use of that in a mailing list -- Clay Weber From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 20:36:28 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New GIMP? In-Reply-To: <200810071551.00288.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <609412.35172.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The latest version of GIMP was released a week ago. I'm wondering when it will show up in the repositories as a normal update. Anyone have info on this? Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 20:54:43 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:54:43 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810071551.00288.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <48EBB35C.70500@comcast.net> <200810071551.00288.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:51 PM, claydoh wrote: > On Tuesday October 7 2008 3:07:08 pm Ian L. Target wrote: > >>
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>> >> > > lol! you are going to get it even worse for the html ! > I think most, if not all of us agree on the use of that in a mailing list > > -- > Clay Weber And here I was admiring his nice blue quote lines and wondering why no one else did that. :-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 21:02:35 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <418458.25943.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Knapp wrote: > > For some, Linux in general, and Kubuntu in particular > may be a hobby, > > but for me and many others, it is THE tool we use to > get our work done. I should admit that we do this on our own risk ;-) > One thing to think about on this list is that most people > talking on > it are the people that are the devs, programmers and > hobbyists. The > people doing work with *ubuntu are off working and the > average user is > only here when they need help (for a newbie that is into > banking or > art and not computers, this is a really boring read!). I > think it is > obvious that *ubuntu is meant to be stable first and > cutting edge > second. Alpha, beta and rc are meant to be used by the > helpers to find > bugs. The bugs should be gone by final. As we all know, no > one is > perfect and some last minute bugs end up getting fixed in > final. > So do you learn anything from this discussion? I think it is obvious that users fall into this trap installing lates kubuntu and finding out that it's not working or that they are beta testers, so I think kde and kubuntu should consider next time do more public work talking about what is changing and how safe is to migrate. There is usually a gap between developers and users - a discussion that I held with kernel developers ended up so that distribution providers like k/ubuntu are responsible to fill this gap. This means developers develop programs which are released. Distributions should pack them and provide them to the end user. End users should report problems to distribution maintainers and distribution maintainers should provide feedback to developers. I think this is the right way, but obviously there is another gap between distribution maintainers/developers and end users. But enough with this storry What I'm interested in is how long kde 3.5 will be supported. 18 months from when? How do I find out if my system is LST or not. I think I downloaded LST because of the long term support but don't remember right. If lets say in 15months kde 4 is still not usable what do we do then? kde3 still has issues for somebody who's fixing them? Or is tehre going to be maintanance but only for LST? I need to read more about it thanks anyway. regards From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 21:16:10 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:16:10 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810071551.00288.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBB35C.70500@comcast.net> <200810071551.00288.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200810071616.10716.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Tuesday October 7 2008 14:51:00 claydoh wrote: > On Tuesday October 7 2008 3:07:08 pm Ian L. Target wrote: > >
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> > > > > > lol! you are going to get it even worse for the html ! > I think most, if not all of us agree on the use of that in a mailing list > > > -- > Clay Weber Agreed. I'm not trying to chastise anyone, but I totally couldn't read that, Ian. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 21:29:35 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: default locales should be C Message-ID: <683551.27753.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well when we are talking about problems with kubuntu I think now is the time to share one. I've asked before for advice or action but no one answered. The problem is that in some programs (only in kubuntu not in debian or suse) I have locales defaulted to arabic. Who's responsible for this? Why? Default locales should be set to "C", as it's mostly the case. I've checked the files and it seems that it picks up the first entry from the translation file, which is "ar". Very intelligent solution. I'm using bg_BG.UTF-8 so if a program is not translated I see arabic - do you think it's normal? Solve this immediately please! and thanks in advance PS.: I posted a screenshot but it did not got through obviously, so no visual evidence now regards From mlsoft at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 21:48:51 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:48:51 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810071748.52312.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 14:10:06 Art Alexion wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > Hello, > > > > again, the fact, that we don't complain or write, does not mean that we do not exist, or if we exist that we are happy with what you are doing. > > > > I have been holding back because most of what needs to be said, is being > said already. > > The thing that troubles me the most is the statement by someone, and the > acceptance by others, that Linux users are all beta testers and we > should accept that. > > For some, Linux in general, and Kubuntu in particular may be a hobby, > but for me and many others, it is THE tool we use to get our work done. > I prefer Linux over Windows because, among other things, it has been > more stable and secure for me. My production boxes are not tests or > experiments, but tools that I rely upon in my job and in serious > personal responsibilities. > > I have the luxury, because of my work, to surround myself with as many > computers as my desk space allows. And I usually have one configured as > a testing box, but the other 3 are meant to work. My job is not to > spend my time fixing problems with my personal desktops, but to use them > to administer the rest of the office and network. > > So I think it is great to offer works in progress to the masses for > testing and previews, but a serious distro needs to offer a stable > system by default. (we have already established that Kubuntu 8.04 is not > LTS, so saying that is the stable alternative is not at all accurate) > > At this point, Intrepid is not usable on a new Dell Optiplex 740 with > ATI graphics and a widescreen LCD. I have not found a resolution that > works and my mouse is functional, but invisible. I have no doubt that > will soon be fixed, but I had a more workable Feisty, Gutsy and Hardy by > late August than Intreptid seems to be coming into mid October. > > Thinking of Linux users as all beta testers plays into the fears of > those who cling to the commercial OSs, that Linux is a toy for the > hobbyist, and not usable by the masses or ready to support the > enterprise. While that isn't true today and hasn't been for a while, I > fear that those who force the adoption of a work in progress as the > default, and those who say that all Linux users are beta testers, feed > that misconception. > > > > > Well said, I work too with stables computers, and play with a test. I think it is not so uncommon that poeple like us, like a fully working and stable system for our work. All other kubuntus from Feisty have done their job well at their time, and I fear I will not be able to stay fully functionnal if I continue to use Kubuntu after October. (this means staying on the last stable release of my kubuntu, as I have been able for the last 3 years) Staying with hardy, means falling slowly back while time pass in the technology available to me. A Kde-3.5 sub-branch of Intrepid will surely appear somewhere or, we will be forced to build one ourselves. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mailinglist at endosquid.com Tue Oct 7 21:52:57 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:52:57 -0400 Subject: New GIMP? In-Reply-To: <609412.35172.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <609412.35172.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810071752.57808.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Tuesday 07 October 2008, cherryfinals wrote: > The latest version of GIMP was released a week ago. I'm wondering when it > will show up in the repositories as a normal update. No info here, BUT, compiling it is simple, indeed. Needs: babl and gegl, installed (in /usr/local is fine) then ./configure --prefix=/opt/gimp-2.6 and it works a charm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Tue Oct 7 21:54:47 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:54:47 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810071748.52312.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <200810071748.52312.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810071754.47729.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > A Kde-3.5 sub-branch of Intrepid will surely appear somewhere > or, we will be forced to build one ourselves. If it doesn't "appear", then it means that not enough people were truly outraged enough to learn how to build it. 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I frequently use Linux *because* it is stable and reliable where Windows, in my perception, is not. For myself I use Debian Lenny, but KDE 3.5.9. In other words, for myself I can tolerate a limited amount of instability and sort out my problems. For my dependants, however, I need stability. My granddaughter has Kubuntu 8.04 on her laptop and PCLinuxOS 2007 on her desktop. My husband has PCLinuxOS 2008 Minime on his desktop. Stability is crucial for both of them. My granddaughter's laptop will not be dist-upgraded at the end of the month. She has no desire to be, nor should she be forced to be, a Beta tester. My husband, if faced by beta testing, would probably run screaming from the room. They both like Linux precisely because it is stable. Are we to send them and others packing? Are we to tell Asus and Acer and HP and... to stop putting Linux on their mini notebooks because Linux is not intended for the general public, but only for testers and developers? I think it is obvious which side of this divide I fall. Lisi From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 01:49:41 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:49:41 -0500 Subject: ksynaptics Message-ID: <200810072049.41593.dhcolesj@gmail.com> I've seen the xorg.conf solution to tapping on a touchpad accidentally. Option “MaxTapTime” “0" Option “MaxTapMove” “0" Will disable moving and tapping, but it does it permanently. However, what I need is a solution that does the following: If I have an external mouse plugged in, disable the touchpad, if not enable the touchpad. When I'm traveling I may not have the usb mouse plugged in. That's what I used ksynaptics for. Is there an option in xorg (that I haven't found) that will do that? -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 02:25:49 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:25:49 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: References: <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810072225.49821.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Monday 06 October 2008 23:15:52 P Kapat wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > > a simple use of checkinstall: > > really? are there any subtle assumtions? > > > > > cd mydirectory > > configure > > make > > checkinstall > > > > # you then have a .tgz a .rpm or a .deb in your directory > > > > # install package as usual > > > > dpkg -i mypackage.deb ### or wathever other method > > > > > > (for sure, you edited your /etc/checkinstallrc BEFORE, > > to make sure the defaults are all ok ) (ex: select tgz,rpm,deb) > > > > there are few params to check, and even less to change on first use. > > edit the file, read it, correct a default when you are sure what you do. > > when not sure, dont touch it. > > > > 2 minutes config, endless uses... endless personal packages ready to put there. > > Well, this certainly wasn't a 2 min job! I've already spent 4 hrs > without success. As I mentioned before I DO NOT have root access to > the RHEL machine where all this is being done. Anyway, the first thing > was to install checkinstall - that itself turned out to be a huge > pain. But let me put that aside. After I got it working here is the > error I get (while trying to install checkinstall itself) > > tar: /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/checkinstall-1.6.1.tgz: Cannot open: > Permission denied > tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > Building RPM package... FAILED! > > Whatever I try this PATH is hardcoded into the script somewhere, very > likely in rpmbuild. I do not want to create source srpm files... > > OK. I saved this mail and was digging around a little more. Here is > what I found after another hour: > The huge assumption that checkinstall is making is that the user has > root access to the machine! In the end rpmbuild spit out an error like > this: > > RPM build errors: > Could not open > /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/checkinstall-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm: Permission > denied > > Note: This is comes from a direct call to rpmbuild from the tmp > directory that checkinstall created, using the spec file therein. > > So, has anyone ever used checkinstall/rpmbuild in a non-root > (non-sudo, non-su) environment? > Any solutions from the checkinstall gurus here? > > Now its almost 5 hrs behind this from 2 minutes!!!!!! > > -- > Regards > PK > -------------------------------------- > http://counter.li.org #402424 > How do you currently install your softs manually in your local directory ??? something like ./configure --prefix=/mydirectory then you do make then you do make install to put it there... at the 'make install' step, just do 'checkinstall' it will execute 'make install' and record all instaled files in a package just like your current job of compiling and installing locally, but with the record of all results in a package... I just dont understand your tar error! What was the command who issued this message? you have to be root (or su) to create a global package or to install one. (ps: there is a package 'fakeroot' useful to create packages without the root permissions. I am not familiar with it) -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 02:27:55 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:27:55 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: References: <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810072227.55927.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Monday 06 October 2008 23:15:52 P Kapat wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > > a simple use of checkinstall: I forgot to tell, use the .deb format if you do it on kubuntu, you will surely find the process more straightforward. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 03:08:40 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:08:40 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810071754.47729.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810071748.52312.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810071754.47729.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810072308.40707.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 17:54:47 Brendan wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > > A Kde-3.5 sub-branch of Intrepid will surely appear somewhere > > or, we will be forced to build one ourselves. > > If it doesn't "appear", then it means that not enough people were truly > outraged enough to learn how to build it. > > Shocking, you might have to do some work to fufill your desires. > If I have to, then I will... In fact I think I will be starting right now... to be ready to rebuild the day of issue of the official Intrepid Why not call it KIntrepid3 ? suggestions... (while on the other pages, my downloads are running) I intend to use the Hardy-Kde3-sources as a base, then ajust and adapt if needed to build on G-Intrepid (not K-Intrepid) (I do not want any module to depend on any Kde4 libs) (Interested to help me? then mail at my personal address at the end) -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 03:12:47 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:12:47 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 18:13:01 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 19:10:06 Art Alexion wrote: > > Thinking of Linux users as all beta testers plays into the fears of > > those who cling to the commercial OSs, that Linux is a toy for the > > hobbyist, and not usable by the masses or ready to support the > > enterprise.  While that isn't true today and hasn't been for a while, I > > fear that those who force the adoption of a work in progress as the > > default, and those who say that all Linux users are beta testers, feed > > that misconception. > > I frequently use Linux *because* it is stable and reliable where Windows, in > my perception, is not. For myself I use Debian Lenny, but KDE 3.5.9. In > other words, for myself I can tolerate a limited amount of instability and > sort out my problems. > > For my dependants, however, I need stability. My granddaughter has Kubuntu > 8.04 on her laptop and PCLinuxOS 2007 on her desktop. My husband has > PCLinuxOS 2008 Minime on his desktop. Stability is crucial for both of them. > My granddaughter's laptop will not be dist-upgraded at the end of the month. > She has no desire to be, nor should she be forced to be, a Beta tester. My > husband, if faced by beta testing, would probably run screaming from the > room. > > They both like Linux precisely because it is stable. Are we to send them and > others packing? Are we to tell Asus and Acer and HP and... to stop putting > Linux on their mini notebooks because Linux is not intended for the general > public, but only for testers and developers? > > I think it is obvious which side of this divide I fall. > > Lisi > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 03:15:24 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:15:24 -0400 Subject: Network problem (kubuntu 8.10) In-Reply-To: <200810062206.27982.mi.fare@libero.it> References: <200810062206.27982.mi.fare@libero.it> Message-ID: <200810072315.24886.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Monday 06 October 2008 16:06:27 Michele Faresin wrote: > Hello list! > > This is the first i write something here, so please, be patient to me. > First of all, sorry for my bad english! > Second, let me explain the problem (google was'nt helpful this time): I've > just updated from 8.04 to 8.10, without any problem. When I rebooted the > system, my network did not work. Knetworkmanager is in "grey" status, and > after i configured it manually (i use static ip), it always pop up "Device: > eth0 State: disconnected" > > This is about my ethernet card: > > lshw -C network > *-network > description: Ethernet interface > product: 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller > vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. > physical id: 0 > bus info: pci at 0000:02:00.0 > logical name: eth0 > version: 12 > serial: ############### > size: 100MB/s > capacity: 1GB/s > width: 64 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: pm vpd msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet > physical tp 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation > configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=sky2 > driverversion=1.22 duplex=full firmware=N/A ip=192.168.1.100 latency=0 link=yes > module=sky2 multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=100MB/s > *-network DISABLED > description: Ethernet interface > physical id: 1 > logical name: pan0 > serial: ############ > capabilities: ethernet physical > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A > link=yes multicast=yes > > route: > > route -n > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 > > cat /etc/network/interface > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.1.100 > network 192.168.0.0 oups ---------/ network 192.168.1.0 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > gateway 192.168.1.1 > > I can't fiugure out this: > > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart > * Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: No such process > Failed to bring up eth0. > OK > > But if I do: > > ifup -a > everithing works fine!!! > > Any suggestions? > > -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 03:27:40 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:27:40 -0400 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB9E04.1@gmail.com> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> <48EB9E04.1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810072327.40463.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 13:36:04 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Jim wrote: > > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> > >>> What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > >>> > >>> I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a directory. > >>> > >>> TIA > >>> > >>> Nigel > >>> > >>> > >> it's kdesudo now, > >> > >> > > Start the Terminal, and then type in su - , then password, then type in > > konqueror as root. > > > > > > i'm afraid that won't work, it would complain about something like > couldn't find an X server or something, "sudo konqueror" in terminal, or > "kdesudo konqueror" in the run dialog are his options > To work, you have to issue the command xhost + in user mode, then you will be able to connect from root mode (with a warning) -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 8 03:36:37 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:36:37 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EC2AC5.3090404@swbell.net> On 10/07/2008 Art Alexion wrote: > Thinking of Linux users as all beta testers plays into the fears of > those who cling to the commercial OSs, that Linux is a toy for the > hobbyist, and not usable by the masses or ready to support the > enterprise. While that isn't true today and hasn't been for a while, > I > fear that those who force the adoption of a work in progress as the > default, and those who say that all Linux users are beta testers, feed > that misconception. It was me that said that all users of the free versions of Linux are beta testers for the commercial release that each company puts out on the market. This commercial release is the bread and butter for these companies. It's what pays the bills so that "we" can use a free OS that is cutting edge. I said this because every distro that I know of does not run as cutting edge software in their commercial releases as they have in their free versions. Novell does it. Red Hat does it. I'm sure Canonical (sp?) does it to. Perhaps someone KNOWS for sure, does the commercial version of Ubuntu run the latest software or does it lag a bit behind 8.10 in some respects. Note I didn't say Kubuntu because I don't know if Kubuntu has a commercial variant. If it does I'm willing to bet that it doesn't use KDE4.x From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Oct 8 04:19:44 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:19:44 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. > > (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) Those who code, decide. (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7qo at commspeed.net Wed Oct 8 05:07:46 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:07:46 -0700 Subject: New GIMP? In-Reply-To: <200810071752.57808.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <609412.35172.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810071752.57808.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810072207.46462.k7qo@commspeed.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 14:52:57 Brendan wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, cherryfinals wrote: > > The latest version of GIMP was released a week ago. I'm wondering when it > > will show up in the repositories as a normal update. > > No info here, BUT, compiling it is simple, indeed. > > Needs: > babl and gegl, installed (in /usr/local is fine) > then ./configure --prefix=/opt/gimp-2.6 > and it works a charm. OK. I'll bite. How is this simple? I am running Kubuntu 8.04.1 with the upgrades and some additional packages added for code development, etc. I went to http://gimp.org/ and downloaded the source to gimp-2.6.0. I went to http://gegl.org/babl/ and downloaded the source to babl-0.0.22 I went to http://gegl.org/ and downloaded the source to gegl-0.0.20 ------------------------------------------ kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Starting with babl first, as gegl depends upon it: With file babl-0.0.22.tar.bz2 bzip2 -d babl-0.0.22.tar.bz2 tar xvf babl-0.0.22.tar cd babl-0.0.22 make sudo make install I had to install intltool using the Adept Manager to get the later version >0.35.5 ------------------------------------------------- With file gegl-0.0.20.tar.bz2 bzip2 -d gegl-0.0.20.tar.bz2 tar xvf gegl-0.0.20.tar cd gegl-0.0.20 make This gets the error that I need GLIB 2.14.0. A check of the packages available through Adept Manager shows that this version is not yet available. So, at this point I am going to abandon this project until everything we need is available to the mortal man or casual user...... :-) This is one of those examples of the leading edge or lunatic fringe for the latest and greatest versions. ------------------------------------ Are you using beta 8.10 by any chance? This seems not to be all that simple and I consider myself to be pretty well educated. Or at least I spent a lot of money on it. System is an AMD 64x2 system with 4GB of main memory. FYI and thanks, -- chuck adams, k7qo k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 05:16:05 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:16:05 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Brendan wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > >> The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. > >> > >> (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) > > Those who code, decide. > > (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) And those that make a profit listen to their customers. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 8 06:22:44 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:22:44 -0400 Subject: Partial resolution of kfontview problem! In-Reply-To: References: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810080222.45077.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, I am one step closer to resolving the problem with kfontvier I have been reporting since KDE 4.0! 1. I tried clicking on "Hardware Driver Manager" and selected use of the Nvidia driver. 2. I rebooted and the system report that Ubuntu was running in low graphics mode since it couldn't recognize my graphics card. 3. I then set it manually and rebooted. 4. The resolution changed to 1680x1050 and kfontview displays all fonts properly. However, when I look at Hardware Drives again, it says that no proprietary drivers are in use. Still, I can now see my fonts! Clearly there is something with the Nvidia driver. Glenn From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 06:31:03 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:31:03 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810080231.03539.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 00:19:44 Brendan wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. > > > > (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) > > Those who code, decide. > > (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) > > Customer is Always right. (Business Man Credo) -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From pandarsson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 06:45:06 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:45:06 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080231.03539.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810080231.03539.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810080145.07662.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 1:31:03 am Martin Laberge wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 00:19:44 Brendan wrote: > > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > > > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. > > > > > > (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) > > > > Those who code, decide. > > > > (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) > > Customer is Always right. > (Business Man Credo) **** you! (David Mamet) Just kidding. And many kudos to anyone who picked up immediately that I got that from a Toxic Avenger movie. From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 8 07:11:12 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:11:12 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <418458.25943.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <418458.25943.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > What I'm interested in is how long kde 3.5 will be supported. 18 months > from when? Unless something has changed from 1/2 year ago, it is 18 Months from release of 8.04 (= April '08) for the KDE 3.5.9 part which makes it 1 year from now. > How do I find out if my system is LST or not. I think I > downloaded LST because of the long term support but don't remember > right. That was which version? I haven't seen an official page mentioning long term support for Kubuntu 8.04. Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS but not Kubuntu 8.04. Both share a lot of packages but not the desktop which is KDE for Kubuntu and Gnome for Ubuntu. Therefore even _some_ parts of Kubuntu 8.04 will be supported longer just not the KDE parts. > If lets say in 15months kde 4 is still not usable what do we do > then? Make that 12 month, but anyway you can select another desktop with LTS support, i.e. Gnome or Xfce. Or if you really depend on KDE3 you would have to use another distribution with longer support for KDE3 (I don't know if that exists). Nils From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 8 07:21:09 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:21:09 +0200 Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <683551.27753.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <683551.27753.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810080921.10010.kassube@gmx.net> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Solve this immediately please! If you want some issue solved you should file a bug at . But you can sure forget the "immediately" part of your request. If you post to this list your request is probably never seen by any of the developers. Nils From murray.dw at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 07:57:15 2008 From: murray.dw at gmail.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:57:15 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera Message-ID: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Does anyone have a Eee 900 PC and able to use the built-in camera with Ubuntu? I recently installed Ubuntu and am quite happy with it, but he only thing that I haven t had success with was the built in camera. There seems to be no applications that were installed that make use of it. Any working suggestions / ideas on this would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Doug! -- Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next week!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 08:02:16 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:02:16 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera In-Reply-To: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> References: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810080102r588448ffkea163c911ec4a233@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Douglas Murray wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone have a Eee 900 PC and able to use the built-in camera with > Ubuntu? I recently installed Ubuntu and am quite happy with it, but he only > thing that I haven t had success with was the built in camera. There seems > to be no applications that were installed that make use of it. > > Any working suggestions / ideas on this would be appreciated. > > Thank you in advance, > > Doug! > > -- > Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next > week!" > I'm not sure Douglass, maybe you can try xawtv? i never tried a camera on ubuntu before, but i think this is the program for them. install it using adept, apt-get or your favourite package manager. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Wed Oct 8 08:30:59 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:30:59 +0200 Subject: Adding new users problem in 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: Kishor, please do not hijack threads, start a new one with the appropriate subject line! On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:24 PM, KISHOR CHAUKADE wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Nigel Ridley > wrote: >> >> I am trying to add two new users to a fresh install of 8.10. >> I use kuser and fill in the right fields, add a password, keep the >> checkboxes for adding a /home >> directory and skeleton for the new user. >> Everything seems to be OK until I try to log in as that new user. I get an >> error message [in a >> nice little box]: >> Cannot enter home directory. Using /. >> Then another error message, when I click 'OK': >> Could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation. >> >> When I check /home, there are no [/home/new_user] entries for the new >> users. >> >> Anybody had success in adding a new user? >> >> Nigel >> >> -- > > How can I configure the broadband connection, local connection > automatically setup but it is not possible me to configure my broadband > connection on kubuntu .Please help me. >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 08:47:44 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <200810080921.10010.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <557919.88504.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> sorry I know "immediate" is not people like to hear, but I need immediate support on this or any a idea how it can be fixed. thanks for the link --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Nils Kassube wrote: > If you want some issue solved you should file a bug at > . But you > can sure forget > the "immediately" part of your request. If you > post to this list your > request is probably never seen by any of the developers. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 08:57:17 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, thank you for the response. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Nils Kassube wrote: > > What I'm interested in is how long kde 3.5 will be > supported. 18 months > > from when? > > Unless something has changed from 1/2 year ago, it is 18 > Months from > release of 8.04 (= April '08) for the KDE 3.5.9 part > which makes it 1 > year from now. > > > How do I find out if my system is LST or not. I think > I > > downloaded LST because of the long term support but > don't remember > > right. > > That was which version? I haven't seen an official page > mentioning long > term support for Kubuntu 8.04. Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS but not > Kubuntu 8.04. ok this explains a lot. > Both share a lot of packages but not the desktop which is > KDE for Kubuntu > and Gnome for Ubuntu. Therefore even _some_ parts of > Kubuntu 8.04 will be > supported longer just not the KDE parts. this is _odd_. I still have my debian on the other harddrive, so I think .... I rather put my efforts to improve it. The day lenny becomes stable will be a time to celebrate :-) > > > If lets say in 15months kde 4 is still not usable what > do we do > > then? > > Make that 12 month, but anyway you can select another > desktop with LTS > support, i.e. Gnome or Xfce. Or if you really depend on this is not an option and it proves that I, as user, am being _forced_ to do something I don't want. This is not what I've expected by k/ubuntu. > KDE3 you would > have to use another distribution with longer support for > KDE3 (I don't > know if that exists). > Thanks Nils, this helps a lot to plan in the future and save time. Debian will for sure put lenny in stable state somewhen, so I think this is the best choice for me. The motivation to try kubuntu was because few desktop things are easily managed and I've expected the kubuntu people follow the debian scheme (stable/testing/unstable/experimental). It's obviously not true. regards From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 8 09:05:56 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:05:56 +0200 Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <557919.88504.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <557919.88504.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810081105.56086.kassube@gmx.net> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > sorry I know "immediate" is not people like to hear, but I need > immediate support on this or any a idea how it can be fixed. If it is really urgent you may consider commercial support . Nils From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 09:06:39 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Network problem (kubuntu 8.10) In-Reply-To: <200810072315.24886.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <905450.22818.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is a silly network management issue I had too the answer is that the kde network manager is not working if you have something set in /etc/network/interfaces you hsould have tehre only auto lo iface lo inet loopback address 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 try this I hope it works for you --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Martin Laberge wrote: > From: Martin Laberge > Subject: Re: Network problem (kubuntu 8.10) > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 5:15 AM > On Monday 06 October 2008 16:06:27 Michele Faresin wrote: > > Hello list! > > > > This is the first i write something here, so please, > be patient to me. > > First of all, sorry for my bad english! > > Second, let me explain the problem (google was'nt > helpful this time): I've > > just updated from 8.04 to 8.10, without any problem. > When I rebooted the > > system, my network did not work. Knetworkmanager is in > "grey" status, and > > after i configured it manually (i use static ip), it > always pop up "Device: > > eth0 State: disconnected" > > > > This is about my ethernet card: > > > > lshw -C network > > *-network > > description: Ethernet interface > > product: 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet > Controller > > vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. > > physical id: 0 > > bus info: pci at 0000:02:00.0 > > logical name: eth0 > > version: 12 > > serial: ############### > > size: 100MB/s > > capacity: 1GB/s > > width: 64 bits > > clock: 33MHz > > capabilities: pm vpd msi pciexpress bus_master > cap_list ethernet > > physical tp 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt > 1000bt-fd autonegotiation > > configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes > driver=sky2 > > driverversion=1.22 duplex=full firmware=N/A > ip=192.168.1.100 latency=0 link=yes > > module=sky2 multicast=yes port=twisted pair > speed=100MB/s > > *-network DISABLED > > description: Ethernet interface > > physical id: 1 > > logical name: pan0 > > serial: ############ > > capabilities: ethernet physical > > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge > driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A > > link=yes multicast=yes > > > > route: > > > > route -n > > Kernel IP routing table > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags > Metric Ref Use Iface > > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U > 0 0 0 eth0 > > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U > 1000 0 0 eth0 > > 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG > 100 0 0 eth0 > > > > cat /etc/network/interface > > auto eth0 > > iface eth0 inet static > > address 192.168.1.100 > > network 192.168.0.0 > > oups ---------/ > network 192.168.1.0 > > > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > > gateway 192.168.1.1 > > > > I can't fiugure out this: > > > > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart > > * Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: No > such process > > Failed to bring up eth0. > > > > OK > > > > But if I do: > > > > ifup -a > > everithing works fine!!! > > > > Any suggestions? > > From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 09:29:09 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If I understand you right, you want to say that kernel RC should be working. Well it might be working for the developers but it is _not_ 100% sure and if it is not even 95% sure to work then it is not an option. In fact from my experience and observation what kernel people do (with all the respect to their effort) I do not trust them when they even say that a release is working. So please don't try to convince me that RC is fine. People should know what they have to expect - i.e. backup their data before trying something like RC kernel. I still can not understand what kind of people should call something working if they are not 100% sure that it's working and how can you be sure if you didn't test. If you had a lab with all hardware supported by linux and you have tested extensively _all_ the hardware then I would trust you. Ok may be the statistically acceptable 95% ofthe test cases should have passed successfully, so that someone could say something is working 100%. Until then, please use the term "on your own risk" regards --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:26 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > kernel is kernel, so right place is to bug the kernel > people. In fact how > > can you expect something top work, that is in rc > (release candidate) > > state? The fact that it has not been released speaks > itself . > > That's the second time in two days I've seen > someone say this. Of _course_ > an rc release should work - almost 100% of the time. If > you don't have a > very good expectation of it working, it isn't ready for > rc status. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 09:40:19 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <200810081105.56086.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <713532.49958.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for this advice too ... but after the discussion on the live terms of kubuntu hardy and after knowing that it is _not_ going to survive for more than 1 year from now. I don't see any reason to go forward. I'll just switch back to debian next weekend. For now I just changed the system locales to C and the problem is not there anymore. I should admit that, as there are more people using k/ubuntu questions are answered much faster, and user2user support is much better, but ... it seems the distro is developers driven and it does not offer stable as debian do, so if I put omoney somehwere it will be debian. Developers or better distro providers should learn to listen to users need and a lot of users need stable release at 1st place. That's what I'm trying to say here and there. I was misled by the fact I read ubuntu offers LST (3 years) for the system - don't remember to have read that kubuntu does not. So this is disappointing but I kept my debian system and next weekend it's coming definitely back. thanks any way - your information was very precious to me not only yours Nils, but all of the people who took part in the discussions I had --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Nils Kassube wrote: > > If it is really urgent you may consider commercial support > . thanks and regards From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 09:48:31 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:48:31 -0400 Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <200810081105.56086.kassube@gmx.net> References: <557919.88504.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081105.56086.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810080548.31810.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 05:05:56 Nils Kassube wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > sorry I know "immediate" is not people like to hear, but I need > > immediate support on this or any a idea how it can be fixed. > > If it is really urgent you may consider commercial support > . > > > Nils > or you may edit your file /etc/environment and add the locales by hand LC_ALL=C reboot and youpi -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 8 09:55:57 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:55:57 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > If I understand you right, you want to say that kernel RC should be working. > > Well it might be working for the developers but it is _not_ 100% sure and if it is not even 95% sure to work then it is not an option. > > In fact from my experience and observation what kernel people do (with all the respect to their effort) I do not trust them when they even say that a release is working. > > So please don't try to convince me that RC is fine. > I have yet to see perfect software. Even Linux does not offer it and imho nobody will ever be able to write a perfect solution. Eberhard From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Wed Oct 8 10:15:27 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:15:27 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions, re:vbox In-Reply-To: <20081007170556.GC30766@dmiyu.org> References: <200810071257.38024.lists@ptfd.org> <20081007170556.GC30766@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48EC883F.1010503@ajinfosearch.com> Steve C. Lamb wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:57:37PM -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >> Anyone know if Virtualbox works yet?, > > VBox with 8.10b as the host or guest? If guest i know that a6 loads but > the guest extensions don't all work. Mouse works fine, screen does not. > > It works in Vbox 2.0.2 but I had problems with 1.6 (or whatever it was). You can fix the screen resolution by adding vboxvideo as the video device in your xorg.conf. Like this: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" Driver "vboxvideo" EndSection It took me a while to find, but I have no problems. The guest additions compile and work just like they are supposed to now. I also read that if you're having problems with your mouse to add vboxmouse (?) to the mouse device. I forgot the link but I found it on the vbox forums after some searching. I'm running 8.10b as guest in vbox 2.0.2 on an up-to-date Kubuntu 8.04. It also works on a 64-bit win 2003 server as a host. After the last upgrade hell, I'm waiting to see other's problems before upgrading my host. -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Wed Oct 8 10:18:06 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:18:06 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I really have to react on this one: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hello, > > thank you for the response. > > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Nils Kassube wrote: > [snip] >> Both share a lot of packages but not the desktop which is KDE for Kubuntu >> and Gnome for Ubuntu. Therefore even _some_ parts of Kubuntu 8.04 will be >> supported longer just not the KDE parts. > > this is _odd_. I still have my debian on the other harddrive, so I think .... I rather put my efforts to improve it. The day lenny becomes stable will be a time to celebrate :-) Well, you _do_ know that the current Debian stable aka Etch is way behind 8.04, do you? Older kernel, older software, etc. And Nils is correct, the relevant parts of the Linux system will have security maintainance beyond 18 month, it's 3 years for the Desktop, and 5 years on servers. Understand this well: security maintainance only, and paid support from Canonical during this time, but no upgrades or new package versions. Every other assumption on your behalf is wrong. ... >> Make that 12 month, but anyway you can select another desktop with LTS >> support, i.e. Gnome or Xfce. Or if you really depend on > > this is not an option and it proves that I, as user, am being _forced_ to do something I don't want. This is not what I've expected by k/ubuntu. No, you are not forced to do anything! Stop this disinformation, nobody forces you to update to 8.10. Why do you all behave as Kubuntu would _force_ you to do so? You people are free to use whatever you want, stay with Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC), it's at the same stage as Debian Etch, so you have stability for another 3 years on servers where stability is a must. Oh, and btw, KDE 3.x doesn't fall apart just because it's not developed anymore, it just will not evolve anymore. It's stable and if you want stability, stay with it! > Thanks Nils, this helps a lot to plan in the future and save time. > Debian will for sure put lenny in stable state somewhen, so I think this is the best choice for me. > The motivation to try kubuntu was because few desktop things are easily managed and I've expected the kubuntu people follow the debian scheme (stable/testing/unstable/experimental). You have not read the documentation IMHO: A new branch is started from Debian Sid every 6 month and then worked upon during 6 month to release as Ubuntu (or Kubuntu or Xubuntu, whatever). Debian release cycle is supposed to be every 18 month, but the past has shown that this can be even way longer (remember Sarge?) > It's obviously not true. Well, don't assume things without documenting yourself correctly. Just my 2 cents... Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:28:57 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:28:57 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> If I understand you right, you want to say that kernel RC should be working. >> >> Well it might be working for the developers but it is _not_ 100% sure and if it is not even 95% sure to work then it is not an option. >> >> In fact from my experience and observation what kernel people do (with all the respect to their effort) I do not trust them when they even say that a release is working. >> >> So please don't try to convince me that RC is fine. >> > I have yet to see perfect software. Even Linux does not offer it and > imho nobody will ever be able to write a perfect solution. > > Eberhard Really there is a lot of perfect software, just not much for the home user because it costs to much to produce. What is not perfect on the home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:49:04 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:49:04 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2B3BDAEE-3DAC-464D-BCAC-16597C42B7DD@gmail.com> Lisi, That is an excellent point about hardware manufacturers pre-installing Linux. It is a huge step forward in widespread Linux adoption and won't happen with unstable distros. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 19:10:06 Art Alexion wrote: >> Thinking of Linux users as all beta testers plays into the fears of >> those who cling to the commercial OSs, that Linux is a toy for the >> hobbyist, and not usable by the masses or ready to support the >> enterprise. While that isn't true today and hasn't been for a >> while, I >> fear that those who force the adoption of a work in progress as the >> default, and those who say that all Linux users are beta testers, >> feed >> that misconception. > > I frequently use Linux *because* it is stable and reliable where > Windows, in > my perception, is not. For myself I use Debian Lenny, but KDE > 3.5.9. In > other words, for myself I can tolerate a limited amount of > instability and > sort out my problems. > > For my dependants, however, I need stability. My granddaughter has > Kubuntu > 8.04 on her laptop and PCLinuxOS 2007 on her desktop. My husband has > PCLinuxOS 2008 Minime on his desktop. Stability is crucial for both > of them. > My granddaughter's laptop will not be dist-upgraded at the end of > the month. > She has no desire to be, nor should she be forced to be, a Beta > tester. My > husband, if faced by beta testing, would probably run screaming from > the > room. > > They both like Linux precisely because it is stable. Are we to send > them and > others packing? Are we to tell Asus and Acer and HP and... to stop > putting > Linux on their mini notebooks because Linux is not intended for the > general > public, but only for testers and developers? > > I think it is obvious which side of this divide I fall. > > Lisi From lists at ptfd.org Wed Oct 8 11:30:15 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:30:15 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions, re:vbox Message-ID: <200810080730.15694.lists@ptfd.org> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 06:15:27 Alan Dacey wrote: > Steve C. Lamb wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:57:37PM -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >> Anyone know if Virtualbox works yet?, > > > > VBox with 8.10b as the host or guest? If guest i know that a6 loads > > but the guest extensions don't all work. Mouse works fine, screen does > > not. > > It works in Vbox 2.0.2 but I had problems with 1.6 (or whatever it was). > You can fix the screen resolution by adding vboxvideo as the video device > in your xorg.conf. > > Like this: > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > Driver "vboxvideo" > EndSection > > It took me a while to find, but I have no problems. The guest additions > compile and work just like they are supposed to now. I also read that if > you're having problems with your mouse to add vboxmouse (?) to the mouse > device. I forgot the link but I found it on the vbox forums after some > searching. > I'm running 8.10b as guest in vbox 2.0.2 on an up-to-date Kubuntu 8.04. It > also works on a 64-bit win 2003 server as a host. After the last upgrade > hell, I'm waiting to see other's problems before upgrading my host. > > -- > "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a > complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most > satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." > - > author unknown > Things I grok: 0 What about as the host (8.10 host, xp guest?) mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 11:31:45 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:31:45 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EC2AC5.3090404@swbell.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <48EC2AC5.3090404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <0F40869D-3E34-4A47-8D49-BD6F77CC0A7E@gmail.com> Billie, I think you are wrong as far as Cannonical is concerned. Cannonical does not produce a commercial version of ubuntu. Rather, they make money mostly from enterprise support and providing some commercial packages. You are partially right about Novell, though. SLED is about one and a half steps behind opensuse. E.g., SLED 10.2 was released about six months after the release of opensuse 10.3. RHEL, on the other hand, is a totally different distro from Fedora. CentOS is the free version of RHEL, and as far as I know, follows RHEL, instead of preceding it. Businesses buy RHEL instead of using the free and almost identical CentOS is the commercial support. The other thing that the commercial Linux companies do is produce custom apps and other customizations for their customers. So Cannonical does not sell a commercial Ubuntu. It sells support and custom enhancements for the same version that you and I use. We are not their "beta testers" in the way that opensuse users might be. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:36 PM, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 10/07/2008 Art Alexion wrote: >> Thinking of Linux users as all beta testers plays into the fears of >> those who cling to the commercial OSs, that Linux is a toy for the >> hobbyist, and not usable by the masses or ready to support the >> enterprise. While that isn't true today and hasn't been for a while, >> I >> fear that those who force the adoption of a work in progress as the >> default, and those who say that all Linux users are beta testers, >> feed >> that misconception. > > It was me that said that all users of the free versions of Linux are > beta testers for the commercial release that each company puts out on > the market. This commercial release is the bread and butter for these > companies. It's what pays the bills so that "we" can use a free OS > that > is cutting edge. > > I said this because every distro that I know of does not run as > cutting > edge software in their commercial releases as they have in their free > versions. Novell does it. Red Hat does it. I'm sure Canonical (sp?) > does > it to. Perhaps someone KNOWS for sure, does the commercial version of > Ubuntu run the latest software or does it lag a bit behind 8.10 in > some > respects. Note I didn't say Kubuntu because I don't know if Kubuntu > has > a commercial variant. If it does I'm willing to bet that it doesn't > use > KDE4.x > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 11:34:50 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:34:50 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <158562A3-7C18-4A33-8A1F-D6470B31B8DC@gmail.com> Not a negative observation, but coders are driven by ego as much as personal desires. Nobody, generally, wants to write code that no one will use. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Brendan wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the > few. > > > > (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) > Those who code, decide. > (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 11:39:49 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:39:49 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> References: <418458.25943.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <0C7B4626-E36C-4599-B08D-E6420A18FCE1@gmail.com> That would be Debian unstable (as opposed to testing). And don't let the 'unstable' fool you. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:11 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> What I'm interested in is how long kde 3.5 will be supported. 18 >> months >> from when? > > Unless something has changed from 1/2 year ago, it is 18 Months from > release of 8.04 (= April '08) for the KDE 3.5.9 part which makes it 1 > year from now. > >> How do I find out if my system is LST or not. I think I >> downloaded LST because of the long term support but don't remember >> right. > > That was which version? I haven't seen an official page mentioning > long > term support for Kubuntu 8.04. Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS but not Kubuntu > 8.04. > Both share a lot of packages but not the desktop which is KDE for > Kubuntu > and Gnome for Ubuntu. Therefore even _some_ parts of Kubuntu 8.04 > will be > supported longer just not the KDE parts. > >> If lets say in 15months kde 4 is still not usable what do we do >> then? > > Make that 12 month, but anyway you can select another desktop with LTS > support, i.e. Gnome or Xfce. Or if you really depend on KDE3 you would > have to use another distribution with longer support for KDE3 (I don't > know if that exists). > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From mi.fare at libero.it Wed Oct 8 11:44:06 2008 From: mi.fare at libero.it (Michele Faresin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:44:06 +0200 Subject: Network problem (kubuntu 8.10) In-Reply-To: <905450.22818.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <905450.22818.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810081344.06840.mi.fare@libero.it> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 11:06:39 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > the answer is that the kde network manager is not working if you have > something set in /etc/network/interfaces > > you hsould have tehre only > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > address 127.0.0.1 > netmask 255.0.0.0 Thanks for your replies Emanoil and Martin, but the problem still here.... After yesterday updates, now the network goes up automatically during the boot process, and knetwork icon reports: "Device:eth0 State:Unmanaged". I've already tried to delete interfaces, change it in different ways, but.... i'm unlucky!! From rlp1938 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 12:05:09 2008 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:05:09 +0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <2B3BDAEE-3DAC-464D-BCAC-16597C42B7DD@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <2B3BDAEE-3DAC-464D-BCAC-16597C42B7DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340810080505s5c92d0a4s170559f9580bdc07@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > Lisi, > > That is an excellent point about hardware manufacturers pre-installing > Linux. It is a huge step forward in widespread Linux adoption and > won't happen with unstable distros. Manufacturers also install Windows, the least stable distro of them all. -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Oct 8 13:39:05 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:39:05 -0400 Subject: New GIMP? In-Reply-To: <200810072207.46462.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <609412.35172.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810071752.57808.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810072207.46462.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <200810080939.06121.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008, you wrote: > OK. I'll bite. How is this simple? Simple, as it only has a few steps. Easy? Perhaps not. > This gets the error that I need GLIB 2.14.0. A check of the packages > available through Adept Manager shows that this version is not yet > available. > > So, at this point I am going to abandon this project until everything > we need is available to the mortal man or casual user...... :-) Hmmmmm, I did not know this one. I'm on Intrepid. Apologies. Installing GLIB is a good learning experience, but it's a bit dodgy, honestly. I used to do it in the Gimp 2.4 dev series to follow, and it ended up failing most of the time. You have to download it, and prefix it out to /opt and then set your PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable to point to the *.pc files in the new /opt/glib dir. It can be done, and honestly, it taught me a lot. Sadly, gimp 2.6 just rolled out to Ibex today...did it come out on 8.04? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even mission-critical, lives-at-risk, software was found to have errors during the Y2K fiasco (not that it was likely that many of those errors would have broken anything - but the software was not perfect). > What is not perfect on the > home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it > must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it > must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really > impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might > have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero > fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) You're essentially right, I just can't agree that there's much perfect sotware out there. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 13:53:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:53:13 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3195319.DGxDp1Zt4I@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: Please don't top post. It makes it hard to have a conversation. > If I understand you right, you want to say that kernel RC should be > working. It _should_ - not _is_. > Well it might be working for the developers but it is _not_ 100% sure and > if it is not even 95% sure to work then it is not an option. I agree. My point is that you said "how can you expect something [to] work, that is in rc (release candidate) state?", and I believe that you have _every_ reason to expect a product in RC state to work. If it isn't working for any more than a very small percentage of users it should never have become an RC candidate. > So please don't try to convince me that RC is fine. I didn't say that. > > People should know what they have to expect - i.e. backup their data > before trying something like RC kernel. Still, you also should understand that this is NOT an "RC kernel". Kernel development is completely separate from Kubuntu development, and the kernel involved is actually considered production-ready, not "RC"> > I still can not understand what kind of people should call something > working if they are not 100% sure that it's working and how can you be > sure if you didn't test. Well, _that's_ just a completely unreasonable statement. The kernels are tested extensively. > Until then, please use the term "on your own risk" Nobody can ever test all combinations of software and hardware, so to that extent, all OSes are at "your own risk" -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:04:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:04:37 -0300 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB9512.4030408@gmail.com> <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <61182915.UAP3CcxFmd@cedar.serverforest.com> Jim wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> What happened to kdesu in KDE4? >>> >>> I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a >>> directory. > Start the Terminal, and then type in su - , then password, then type in > konqueror as root. Don't EVER suggest doing that. 1) "su" won't work on a default Ubuntu (though Nigel's been around long enough to know how to make it) 2) GUI apps should never be run via su or sudo - always use kdesudo. Otherwise GUI apps are likely to have trouble accessing the X display, and may leave root-owned files lieing around in directories where they'll prevent future apps from running as a normal user. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:01:00 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:01:00 -0300 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <1462248.pvN1nN4EA7@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > > I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a > directory. > Don't know, since I haven't tried it, but for a year or more kdesu has been a symlink to kdesudo (for compatibility with gnome naming conventions, I believe), so try kdesudo -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:06:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:06:17 -0300 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB9A08.9020402@sbcglobal.net> <48EB9E04.1@gmail.com> <200810072327.40463.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1860136.tJo0KkGxeC@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 13:36:04 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Jim wrote: >> > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >> >> >>> What happened to kdesu in KDE4? >> >>> >> >>> I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a >> >>> directory. >> >>> >> >>> TIA >> >>> >> >>> Nigel >> >>> >> >>> >> >> it's kdesudo now, >> >> >> >> >> > Start the Terminal, and then type in su - , then password, then type in >> > konqueror as root. >> > >> > >> >> i'm afraid that won't work, it would complain about something like >> couldn't find an X server or something, "sudo konqueror" in terminal, or >> "kdesudo konqueror" in the run dialog are his options >> > > To work, you have to issue the command > > xhost + > > in user mode, > > then you will be able to connect from root mode (with a warning) The advice gets more and more dangerous. "xhost +" allows _anybody_ to access your X display. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:16:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:16:59 -0300 Subject: ksynaptics References: <200810072049.41593.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298416.IucQ6JPBbA@cedar.serverforest.com> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > I've seen the xorg.conf solution to tapping on a touchpad accidentally. > > Option “MaxTapTime” “0" > Option “MaxTapMove” “0" > > Will disable moving and tapping, but it does it permanently. > > However, what I need is a solution that does the following: > If I have an external mouse plugged in, disable the touchpad, if not > enable > the touchpad. When I'm traveling I may not have the usb mouse plugged in. > > That's what I used ksynaptics for. Is there an option in xorg (that I > haven't found) that will do that? > I don't think so. You could write a udev rule that runs "syndaemon -t -d" when a mouse is plugged it, and kills it on unplug (I haven't ever done this... :-) ) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:28:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:28:05 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810072312.47495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810080231.03539.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <14574381.a5zdQsnXiX@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 00:19:44 Brendan wrote: >> On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: >> > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. >> > >> > (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) >> >> Those who code, decide. >> >> (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) > Customer is Always right. > (Business Man Credo) Right. I can count on the fingers of a bad carpenter's hand the number of companies that live by that motto... -- derek From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 14:37:45 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:37:45 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810081537.45247.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 11:18:06 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC) No, 6.06, and it is no longer supported on th desktop. Lisi From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:26:02 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:26:02 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <200810072313.01675.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1385429.M8YGVssySZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > My husband, if faced by beta testing, would probably run screaming from > the room. LOL. I'm in pretty much the same boat. Next month, I'll start by upgrading my wife's box to the version of Hardy I'm running today, _then_ upgrade mine to Intrepid. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:21:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:21:31 -0300 Subject: default locales should be C References: <557919.88504.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081105.56086.kassube@gmx.net> <200810080548.31810.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <40791707.L3j9lZzrfD@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 05:05:56 Nils Kassube wrote: >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> > sorry I know "immediate" is not people like to hear, but I need >> > immediate support on this or any a idea how it can be fixed. >> >> If it is really urgent you may consider commercial support >> . >> >> >> Nils >> > > or you may edit your file /etc/environment > > and add the locales by hand > > LC_ALL=C I don't think that would solve his problem. It's fine for those of us who use English, but he's referring to a situation where _his_ language is Bulgarian (iirc) and untranslated apps show up with German or Arabic messages. Not that I know why I bother to contribute, since I _did_ respond to his original post and he complains he's been ignored... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 14:34:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:34:54 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3052664.npaVvlq6FY@cedar.serverforest.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > No, you are not forced to do anything! Stop this disinformation, I agree. I'm not happy with the state of 8.10, but I'll backup, upgrade, and if necessary restore, next month. > nobody forces you to update to 8.10. Why do you all behave as Kubuntu > would _force_ you to do so? You people are free to use whatever you > want, stay with Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC), it's at the same > stage as Debian Etch, so you have stability for another 3 years on > servers where stability is a must. No. Only 1 more year. LTS is 5 years for _server_ editions, but Kubuntu is a desktop edition. However, you're absolutely right that Kubuntu 6.10 will be just as stable for the next 5 years as it has been for the last two. -- derek From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Oct 8 15:46:37 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:46:37 +0200 Subject: Adding new users problem in 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EB9456.2080108@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48ECD5DD.5000102@prayingforisrael.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I am trying to add two new users to a fresh install of 8.10. > I use kuser and fill in the right fields, add a password, keep the checkboxes for adding a /home > directory and skeleton for the new user. > Everything seems to be OK until I try to log in as that new user. I get an error message [in a > nice little box]: > Cannot enter home directory. Using /. > Then another error message, when I click 'OK': > Could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation. > > When I check /home, there are no [/home/new_user] entries for the new users. > > Anybody had success in adding a new user? > > Nigel > Replying to self here: I managed a simple [foolproof] way to do it: 'sudo adduser name_of_new_user' (without the quotes of course) You will then be prompted with a few questions -- just hit enter after giving the details (hit enter for the fields that are not important -- like 'room number', 'telephone' etc.) kadduser seems to be broken in places. HTHS Blessings, Nigel -- From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 15:59:36 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:59:36 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810080231.03539.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810080019.44539.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810080231.03539.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810081059.36188.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Wednesday October 8 2008 01:31:03 Martin Laberge wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 00:19:44 Brendan wrote: > > On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Martin Laberge wrote: > > > The will of the many, will always be stronger than the will of the few. > > > > > > (adapted from a popular Spock sentence) > > > > Those who code, decide. > > > > (adapted from a more-popular OSS saying) > > Customer is Always right. > (Business Man Credo) > "If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." -Henry Ford -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You > can fix the screen resolution by adding vboxvideo as the video device in your > xorg.conf. Neither of those worked for me since neither is loaded by my VM on boot. I installed the guest additions at least half a dozen times by now. I'll probably have to load them manually. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can count on the fingers of a bad carpenter's hand the number of > companies that live by that motto... In OSS, code rules. It's not a thing that should/should not be, it just *is*. That's what the "Customer is always right" motto misses...because there is no "customer" or "CEO", as they are nearly interchangeable. How does one achieve the goal of moving to the inner circle of those who decide? By *contributing code*. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slewin at bmts.com Wed Oct 8 16:50:22 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:50:22 -0400 Subject: Krdc/Krfb Message-ID: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> Hi, I just tried using a remote desktop for the first time using Krdc/Krfb and it was extremely slow. It took about 10 minutes to start the session while the computer I was trying to connect to was at 100% CPU. 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URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Oct 8 18:07:38 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:07:38 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8f6eb7340810080505s5c92d0a4s170559f9580bdc07@mail.gmail.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810081407.38443.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 8:05:09 am Robert Parker wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > > > Lisi, > > > > > > That is an excellent point about hardware manufacturers pre-installing > > > Linux. 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It is a huge step forward in widespread Linux adoption and > > > won't happen with unstable distros. > > > > Manufacturers also install Windows, the least stable distro of them all. > > I don't personally use windows or even own a Microsoft product, but I > support about 20 windows 2003 servers and 300 windows XP desktops in my > job. I also have KDE 4 from the PPA on Hardy and a test install of > Intrepid. I can tell you that windows XP is much, much more stable than > the current iteration of of KDE 4. Robert was being facetious, but you're being disingenuous. You support these XP machines; I assume you were professionally trained to do so. You went to school (or at least took a class) to learn how to keep those things running. Also, XP has been out now for God knows how many years. I hope it's more stable than KDE 4, or Microsoft should probably just fold their tents and be done with it. (OTOH, I've been running KDE4 since 4.0.0, and I have not once gotten a virus. 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Funny, my wife, a coder in the late '70s, early '80s (pascal and assembler, with punchcards), stopped working with computers when our kids were born. Since then, she seems to have stopped being able to even add contacts to her cell phone. Nonetheless, she runs Hardy on her laptop, but has no idea of the OS so long as she can find her programs and it doesn't crash on her. Hardy/KDE 3.5.10 fits that bill well for her. I will not be upgrading her laptop unless I have to. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 18:13:30 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:13:30 -0400 Subject: firefox CPU usage In-Reply-To: References: <48E62276.5050208@cern.ch> <1223304964.5956.4.camel@midnight> Message-ID: <200810081413.30336.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 4:24:54 am Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Steve Grace wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:47 +0200, Gianluca Cerminara wrote: > >>       I'm running 8.04 with the latest greatest firefox and I notice > >> that the browser is always at the top of the list for CPU usage....any > >> suggestion about how to avoid it? > >> This is particularly annoying especially when running on battery. > > > > To find out if it's an add-on causing the problem, start Firefox in safe > > mode with add-ons disabled. From a terminal, enter "firefox > > --safe-mode". > > > > Also, could it be a problem with a particular site? I've seen > > poorly-written advertising banners use all available CPU. > > Then use add-block. > > Firefox also uses a lot of CPU here on my old laptop. I try not to use > too many extensions, they usually eat a lot of power too. > I minimised my extensions to add-block and no-scripts, which tunes > down the CPU usage. Especially no-scripts is great, my CPU load for > Firefox 3.0.3 is below that of the X server and stays at about an > average 10%, with about 10 open tabs. > Also avoid automatic tab reloads, this is very power consuming. Flashblock solves the problem quite nicely for me, and is a lot less cumbersome to use than no-script. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 18:18:15 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:18:15 -0400 Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> References: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200810081418.15837.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 12:50:22 pm Scott wrote: > Hi, > > I just tried using a remote desktop for the first time using > Krdc/Krfb and it was extremely slow. It took about 10 minutes to start > the session while the computer I was trying to connect to was at 100% > CPU. After the connection started the computer I was trying to connect > to still had 100% CPU activity and the desktop was so slow that it was > not usable. > > Is this normal? Do you need a ultra high end computer to use > remote desktop? The computer I tried to connect to was not brand new, > but it was not slow either. It had a AMD 64 2 Ghz chip and 1Gig RAM. Not normal. What OS on the remote machine. 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On both machines I have Kubuntu 8.04 using KDE 3.5.10. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 18:21:03 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:21:03 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48ECEFD4.6040902@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081259.41402.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48ECEFD4.6040902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810081421.03320.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 1:37:24 pm lanzen wrote: > Art Alexion ha scritto: > > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 8:49:44 am Ian L. Target wrote: > >> claydoh wrote: > >> > >> Oh my gosh!  I can't figure out how that happened.  I have the list's > >> email address in my address book and it is set to send ASCII so I am > >> unsure why it went out HTML.  Please excuse. > > > > I read a similar problem on the kdepim-users list.  It may be a bug and > > not you. > > In that case it would be a Mozilla bug. Yes, I just checked Ian's headers. I shouldn't have assumed he was using kmail. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:21:02 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:21:02 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E61A5F.8090408@comcast.net> <200810031557.12980.kassube@gmx.net> <200810031039.39995.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20081003210022.73ca5113@graham-desktop> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <1223490062.5885.74.camel@iam> On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 18:44 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Graham Todd wrote: > > Whether we like it or not, KDE 4 is the next development of KDE. KDE > > 4.1.2 represents the latest version of KDE. > > No one is disputing that. The issue is in the next batch of statements. > > > Try it, and give feedback > > to make future developments better. If you don't like it, then there > > are alternatives: Ubuntu (GNOME), Xubuntu (XFCE), OpenGEU > > (ENLIGHTENMENT). The only other way is to use a version of KDE that > > will (eventually) not be supported any more. > > > So no, not every version of every desktop environment/window manager is > > totally usable. We help to make them better. > > All of these are laudable, to be sure. But this misses the point of > Ubuntu. This is an end-user oriented distribution. As such it is incumbent > on Ubuntu (oh how I wish base Ubuntu would be called GUnuntu and be done with > it) developers to ensure that the end product is usable, totally. People who > come to this distribution, by and large, are not the same people who want to > "give feedback to make future developments better". They want things to work. I totally agree. This is the distro that Fedora KDE users will flee to, after becoming exhausted by the "Bleeding Edge" syndrome. I finally switched after several years of using Fedora, mostly because I was used to the RPM world. Well, this world lets me USE my computer for a change, instead of it using me. I flat out refuse to introduce beta software or adding tarballs any more. I just want to use Linux to do what I do with it, with the least amount of hassles. Am I being selfish?? HEck no. I'm doing development that needs stability. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 8 18:22:55 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:22:55 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <0F40869D-3E34-4A47-8D49-BD6F77CC0A7E@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EBA5FE.1050508@gmail.com> <48EC2AC5.3090404@swbell.net> <0F40869D-3E34-4A47-8D49-BD6F77CC0A7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ECFA7F.8070503@swbell.net> Art Alexion wrote: > Billie, I think you are wrong as far as Cannonical is concerned. > > Cannonical does not produce a commercial version of ubuntu. Rather, > they make money mostly from enterprise support and providing some > commercial packages. You are partially right about Novell, though. > SLED is about one and a half steps behind opensuse. E.g., SLED 10.2 > was released about six months after the release of opensuse 10.3. > RHEL, on the other hand, is a totally different distro from Fedora. > CentOS is the free version of RHEL, and as far as I know, follows > RHEL, instead of preceding it. > > Businesses buy RHEL instead of using the free and almost identical > CentOS is the commercial support. > > The other thing that the commercial Linux companies do is produce > custom apps and other customizations for their customers. > > So Cannonical does not sell a commercial Ubuntu. It sells support and > custom enhancements for the same version that you and I use. We are > not their "beta testers" in the way that opensuse users might be. I stand corrected. At least partly. From rlp1938 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:23:42 2008 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:23:42 +0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2B3BDAEE-3DAC-464D-BCAC-16597C42B7DD@gmail.com> <8f6eb7340810080505s5c92d0a4s170559f9580bdc07@mail.gmail.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340810081123q5def691bo7a16c7106127e3a4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Art Alexion wrote: >> >> Manufacturers also install Windows, the least stable distro of them all. > > I don't personally use windows or even own a Microsoft product, but I support > about 20 windows 2003 servers and 300 windows XP desktops in my job. I also > have KDE 4 from the PPA on Hardy and a test install of Intrepid. I can tell > you that windows XP is much, much more stable than the current iteration of > of KDE 4. Considering the relative ages of these two I should hope so ! -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 18:26:52 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:26:52 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810081309.55619.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810081309.55619.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810081426.52357.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 2:09:54 pm p.daniels wrote: > On Wednesday October 8 2008 12:59:25 Art Alexion wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 8:05:09 am Robert Parker wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > > > > Lisi, > > > > > > > > That is an excellent point about hardware manufacturers > > > > pre-installing Linux. It is a huge step forward in widespread Linux > > > > adoption and won't happen with unstable distros. > > > > > > Manufacturers also install Windows, the least stable distro of them > > > all. > > > > I don't personally use windows or even own a Microsoft product, but I > > support about 20 windows 2003 servers and 300 windows XP desktops in my > > job. I also have KDE 4 from the PPA on Hardy and a test install of > > Intrepid. I can tell you that windows XP is much, much more stable than > > the current iteration of of KDE 4. > > Robert was being facetious, but you're being disingenuous. You support > these XP machines; I assume you were professionally trained to do so. You > went to school (or at least took a class) to learn how to keep those things > running. No. I have been running Linux exclusively since 2000. I was originally hired to implement Linux on the desktops, but never got the authority to do so. I learned Windows XP the same way, I learned DOS, Win 3.1 and Win 95/98, by watching things break and fixing them. Actually, I didn't know Robert was being facetious. I thought it was just another windows bash on a Linux list. I do it myself. > Also, XP has been out now for God knows how many years. I hope > it's more stable than KDE 4, or Microsoft should probably just fold their > tents and be done with it. You are right of course. > (OTOH, I've been running KDE4 since 4.0.0, and I > have not once gotten a virus. YMMV.) KDE 4 is a virus. ;^) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From slewin at bmts.com Wed Oct 8 18:27:40 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:27:40 -0400 Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <200810081418.15837.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> <200810081418.15837.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48ECFB9C.8070600@bmts.com> Art Alexion wrote: > Not normal. What OS on the remote machine. Are you using the VNC or RDC > protocol? I'm pretty sure it is VNC as that is what was shown. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 18:31:46 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:31:46 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340810081123q5def691bo7a16c7106127e3a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8f6eb7340810081123q5def691bo7a16c7106127e3a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810081431.46640.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 2:23:42 pm Robert Parker wrote: > Considering the relative ages of these two I should hope so ! Of course! But it is true, nonetheless, and if I was selling hardware to the public and promising to support it for a year, I would not sell it with an environment as immature as KDE 4. I think this is a good metaphor for why I wouldn't want to install KDE 4 on my own production machine. Testing, yes, but production, no. And I didn't think a release version of Kubuntu was supposed to be a testing version. I know Intrepid is still beta, but the release is just a few weeks away. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Oct 8 18:32:59 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:32:59 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1223490062.5885.74.camel@iam> References: <48E5D111.8040501@gmail.com> <48E6CA92.1080401@dmiyu.org> <1223490062.5885.74.camel@iam> Message-ID: <200810081432.59181.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Ric Moore wrote: > instead of it using me. I flat out refuse to introduce beta software or > adding tarballs any more. I just want to use Linux to do what I do with > it, with the least amount of hassles. Am I being selfish?? HEck no. I'm > doing development that needs stability. Ric And is this achieved or not achieved by Ubuntu, in your opinion? Works nearly 100% of the time for me. But what's the line? You don't want to "add tarballs" whatever that means...Well, what about doing config, clicking buttons, etc...how far would you go to make it the way you want to make it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 8 18:41:29 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:41:29 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48ECFED9.9050405@swbell.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> What is not perfect on the >> home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it >> must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it >> must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really >> impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might >> have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero >> fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. >> > > Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) > > You're essentially right, I just can't agree that there's much perfect > sotware out there. > From one Discovery show I watched it was more of an error in thought process for writing the software than an actual software problem. It seems that someone thought it would be better if the lander rockets pulsed rather than firing continuously. The pulse firing required by the software, even when working perfectly, led to instability in the lander that caused them to crash. When they rewrote the software to fire continuously the lander landed perfectly [ the last mission to the pole ]. You can't really blame the software or the person that wrote it. The blame falls on the engineers and mission planners that wrote the requirements for the software. From rscrawford at mossroot.com Wed Oct 8 18:47:53 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:47:53 -0700 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 Message-ID: Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, especially in the panel: * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to work. * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget just clutters it up. If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. -- Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) http://www.mossroot.com Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 8 18:49:43 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:49:43 +0100 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48ED00C7.1060708@yahoo.it> Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >>> I have yet to see perfect software. Even Linux does not offer it and >>> imho nobody will ever be able to write a perfect solution. >> Really there is a lot of perfect software, just not much for the home >> user because it costs to much to produce. > > Really? Anything more complex than "Hello World" is likely to have errors. > Even mission-critical, lives-at-risk, software was found to have errors > during the Y2K fiasco (not that it was likely that many of those errors > would have broken anything - but the software was not perfect). > >> What is not perfect on the >> home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it >> must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it >> must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really >> impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might >> have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero >> fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. > > Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) > > You're essentially right, I just can't agree that there's much perfect > sotware out there. Seconded. I might mention the floating point bug that made the Ariane launcher fail some years ago... and there are books out there listing examples of programs as long as 5 lines that look perfectly innocent and are instead riddled with bugs. Perfect software is as expensive as the speed of light is reachable... you finish the money around .95 perfect :) I. From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 18:57:31 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:57:31 +0000 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 Message-ID: <100820081857.4585.48ED029B000C2DA4000011E92202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> There is a quick launch plasmoid (Cashew, Add Widgets) The quick access plasmoid (same place) should be able to what you want. Paul -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Richard S. Crawford" > Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. > > Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and > pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, > especially in the panel: > > * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > work. > > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > just clutters it up. > > If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, > I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty > much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. > > > -- > Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) > http://www.mossroot.com > Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:06:03 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:06:03 +0200 Subject: New GIMP? In-Reply-To: <200810080939.06121.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <609412.35172.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810071752.57808.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810072207.46462.k7qo@commspeed.net> <200810080939.06121.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: gimp 2.4.6-1 is what I have installed and just did and update so it is not on 8.04 yet.-- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 19:06:58 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <40791707.L3j9lZzrfD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <922174.78776.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, thank you anyway for not ignoring me anymore :-) cat /etc/environment gives nothing, it's empty. As far as I remember you said I have to go to the ubntu list, as it's a ubuntu problem. Or may be I'm mixing up. Some mails are classified as spam, so I skip many of them. Sorry for that. If I've got a definit answer I wouldn't "complain" So you've seen my nice screenshot :-) it's worth a babylon prise. For those who didn't part of the translations are in arabic, part in german and part in bulgarian. The last two I speak, also the kde configuration has them listed in this way - but the first one is boring I setup LC_ALL=C. It's english but it's consistant. Don't understand how it's possible that debian does not have this symptoms. Sorry again if I haven't seen your mail and complained again, but as you see we've got a progress. Thanks anyway and my apologies again regards --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: default locales should be C > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 4:21 PM > Martin Laberge wrote: > > > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 05:05:56 Nils Kassube > wrote: > >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> > sorry I know "immediate" is not > people like to hear, but I need > >> > immediate support on this or any a idea how > it can be fixed. > >> > >> If it is really urgent you may consider commercial > support > >> . > >> > >> > >> Nils > >> > > > > or you may edit your file /etc/environment > > > > and add the locales by hand > > > > LC_ALL=C > > I don't think that would solve his problem. It's > fine for those of us who > use English, but he's referring to a situation where > _his_ language is > Bulgarian (iirc) and untranslated apps show up with German > or Arabic > messages. > > Not that I know why I bother to contribute, since I _did_ > respond to his > original post and he complains he's been ignored... > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:07:00 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:07:00 -0500 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810081407.01727.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Wednesday October 8 2008 13:47:53 Richard S. Crawford wrote: > Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. > > Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and > pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, > especially in the panel: > > * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > work. There is a quicklaunch applet for Plasma, it's on kde-look.org. http://kde- look.org/content/show.php/QuickLauncher+Applet?content=78061 > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > in KDE 4. Couldn't tell you, they used to be the first things I deleted ;) > And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > just clutters it up. So... delete it? You can still drag icons to the desktop itself if you like. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rscrawford at mossroot.com Wed Oct 8 19:09:53 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:09:53 -0700 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <100820081857.4585.48ED029B000C2DA4000011E92202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> References: <100820081857.4585.48ED029B000C2DA4000011E92202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Message-ID: I wasn't able to find those widgets. Is there an extra package I should install through Adept? By "Cashew", do you mean the icon that you click to bring up the widgets menu? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM, wrote: > There is a quick launch plasmoid (Cashew, Add Widgets) > > The quick access plasmoid (same place) should be able to what you want. > Paul > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Richard S. Crawford" >> Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. >> >> Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and >> pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, >> especially in the panel: >> >> * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget >> like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K >> menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch >> tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to >> work. >> >> * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon >> on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions >> in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer >> having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget >> just clutters it up. >> >> If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, >> I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty >> much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. >> >> >> -- >> Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) >> http://www.mossroot.com >> Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) http://www.mossroot.com Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:14:36 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:14:36 -0500 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810081414.38023.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Wednesday October 8 2008 13:47:53 Richard S. Crawford wrote: > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > in KDE 4. Just as a follow-up, I tried to drag "Network" onto the panel and it didn't work (which is odd, I'd expect it to). Dragging it to the desktop to make an icon does work. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:23:14 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <48ED070D.7020909@swbell.net> References: <100820081857.4585.48ED029B000C2DA4000011E92202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> <48ED070D.7020909@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810081423.15791.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Wednesday October 8 2008 14:16:29 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 10/08/2008 pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > > There is a quick launch plasmoid (Cashew, Add Widgets) > > > > The quick access plasmoid (same place) should be able to what you > > want. > > Paul > > No where near the quick launch panel. No, but now that I consider it, would work perfectly well as a replacement for the Network/System Places menus. You can have multiple quick access plasmoids, so just set one to Network and one to whatever... you see where I'm going w/this, I'm sure. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:29:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:29:09 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >>> I have yet to see perfect software. Even Linux does not offer it and >>> imho nobody will ever be able to write a perfect solution. I took this to mean bug free and not that it would work when subjected to things it was not designed for. Perhaps a failure on my part to understand you. >> Really there is a lot of perfect software, just not much for the home >> user because it costs to much to produce. > > Really? Anything more complex than "Hello World" is likely to have errors. > Even mission-critical, lives-at-risk, software was found to have errors > during the Y2K fiasco (not that it was likely that many of those errors > would have broken anything - but the software was not perfect). There is a difference between perfect and bug free, I guess. Y2K bug existed because the first programmers never imagined than their software would still be being used in the year 2000. That is not a bug but a piece of software that is being used passed it's expiration date. If you want to look at this way then the qwerty keyboard is a very bad bug. :-) >> What is not perfect on the >> home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it >> must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it >> must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really >> impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might >> have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero >> fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. > > Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the international standard ether in any useful way.) Yes, even in zero tolerance environments mistakes do happen. It is all a matter of how hard you want to look for the bugs. If you pay 10 people to look over every line and a 10 more to test every line, you should end up with a perfect program that cost you millions to produce. One way that MS beat the rest of the world was to stop looking for bugs so hard and thus make their programmers much more productive and their software much more feature rich. For some reason people excepted the bugs for a long time without much complaint as long as they go the cool features. MS got their software made cheaper and faster than the other companies and won. I will not get into all the idea stealing and buying that went on. As for perfect software, I think the Linux kernel does a very good job at this. When was the last time you had a kernel crash on a Linux certified computer? Maybe not, "Perfect" but darn good. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 19:30:24 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:30:24 +0000 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 Message-ID: <100820081930.19725.48ED0A500006B15C00004D0D2205886360CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> kdeplasma-addons package (make sure you install the version for kde 4.1.2, not the extragear package included w/ 4.0. I see that I must have installed a quicklauncher package, so check out plasmoids at kde-apps.org. Most have to be compiled but if you have the necessary development packages (I don't recall which, but the error messages you get when attempting to compile can be revealing) it just takes a few minutes. download tar -xvf cd mkdir build cd build cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. make sudo make install Paul -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Richard S. Crawford" > I wasn't able to find those widgets. Is there an extra package I > should install through Adept? > > By "Cashew", do you mean the icon that you click to bring up the widgets menu? > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM, wrote: > > There is a quick launch plasmoid (Cashew, Add Widgets) > > > > The quick access plasmoid (same place) should be able to what you want. > > Paul > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Richard S. Crawford" > >> Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. > >> > >> Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and > >> pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, > >> especially in the panel: > >> > >> * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > >> like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > >> menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > >> tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > >> work. > >> > >> * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > >> on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > >> in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > >> having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > >> just clutters it up. > >> > >> If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, > >> I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty > >> much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) > >> http://www.mossroot.com > >> Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) > http://www.mossroot.com > Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 19:18:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:18:31 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ECFED9.9050405@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1320545.RTnh1Vg3y5@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >>> What is not perfect on the >>> home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it >>> must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it >>> must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really >>> impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might >>> have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero >>> fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. >>> >> >> Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) >> >> You're essentially right, I just can't agree that there's much perfect >> sotware out there. >> > > From one Discovery show I watched it was more of an error in thought > process for writing the software than an actual software problem. It > seems that someone thought it would be better if the lander rockets > pulsed rather than firing continuously. Which may or may not have worked - but the engineer who wrote it screwed up a Metric/US measurement conversion, so the software fired at the wrong time. -- derek From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Oct 8 19:33:36 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:33:36 -0400 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810081533.36174.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and It takes some getting used to, default config is weird, finding settings is awkward, and it's slow. Also, a bunch of bugs... That said, it's very conducive to working well and slickly once configured correctly. Also, the bug fixes to lots of old bugs is nice. And....I don't know. It's purdy. > * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > work. Dragging icons to the toolbar has been hit or miss for me. Cannot get firefox onto the bar, but I can get Kate on there. Still haven't figured that one out. > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon Agreed. Lameness took those away. remote:/ in any konq or dolphin bar will help... > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > just clutters it up. That's the default, but you can make it go away or stretch it full screen, so it's just like a desktop. Useful, but again, not easy to get used to. > If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, > I'd love it. 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Since then, she seems to have stopped being able to even add > contacts to her cell phone. My wife has the background, too, so I've never understood the problem. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 19:16:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:16:57 -0300 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 References: <200810081407.01727.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2777275.HPbPRo4Zqa@cedar.serverforest.com> p.daniels wrote: > On Wednesday October 8 2008 13:47:53 Richard S. Crawford > wrote: > >> * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon >> on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions >> in KDE 4. > > Couldn't tell you, they used to be the first things I deleted ;) You have to delete them? I can't say I've ever had one on a desktop. I'm going to have to create a user just to see if it gets them... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 19:26:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:26:13 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081537.45247.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2651726.16odusiKEC@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 11:18:06 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC) > > No, 6.06, and it is no longer supported on the desktop. It had better be - it's an LTS: three years support. Edgy (6.10) is no longer supported, Dapper (6.06) is. -- derek From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:46:07 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:46:07 -0500 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <2777275.HPbPRo4Zqa@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810081407.01727.teeahr1@gmail.com> <2777275.HPbPRo4Zqa@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810081446.11068.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Wednesday October 8 2008 14:16:57 Derek Broughton wrote: > p.daniels wrote: > > On Wednesday October 8 2008 13:47:53 Richard S. Crawford > > > > wrote: > >> * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > >> on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > >> in KDE 4. > > > > Couldn't tell you, they used to be the first things I deleted ;) > > You have to delete them? I can't say I've ever had one on a desktop. 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Y2K bug > existed because the first programmers never imagined than their > software would still be being used in the year 2000. That is not a bug > but a piece of software that is being used passed it's expiration > date. That may be true of some software, but in fact great masses of software were being written with no consideration at all of an expiry. I was working for a large bank at the time, and we still had tens of thousands of lines of 30+ year-old code, and nobody considered it past-its-prime - though we did laugh at some of the things that had been done to compress the data (the normal reason why there was no century in dates). >> Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) > > Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > international standard ether in any useful way.) Of course that's _why_ but it's still a bug. I always learned that the data was part of the program. > > Yes, even in zero tolerance environments mistakes do happen. It is all > a matter of how hard you want to look for the bugs. If you pay 10 > people to look over every line and a 10 more to test every line, you > should end up with a perfect program that cost you millions to > produce. No, you'll end up with an almost-perfect program :-) > > As for perfect software, I think the Linux kernel does a very good job > at this. When was the last time you had a kernel crash on a Linux > certified computer? Maybe not, "Perfect" but darn good. Precisely -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 8 19:54:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:54:18 -0500 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <200810081533.36174.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <200810081533.36174.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <48ED0FEA.7050901@swbell.net> Brendan wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > > Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and > > It takes some getting used to, default config is weird, finding > settings is awkward, and it's slow. Also, a bunch of bugs... > > That said, it's very conducive to working well and slickly once > configured correctly. Also, the bug fixes to lots of old bugs is nice. > And....I don't know. It's purdy. > > > * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > > > like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > > > menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > > > tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > > > work. > > Dragging icons to the toolbar has been hit or miss for me. Cannot get > firefox onto the bar, but I can get Kate on there. Still haven't > figured that one out. > > > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > > Agreed. Lameness took those away. > > remote:/ > > in any konq or dolphin bar will help... > > > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > > > in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > > > having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > > > just clutters it up. > > That's the default, but you can make it go away or stretch it full > screen, so it's just like a desktop. Useful, but again, not easy to > get used to. > > > If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, > > > I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty > > > much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QuickLauncher+Applet?content=78061 Won't install on an x86-64 system From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 19:28:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:28:48 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> <651244.64662.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3052664.npaVvlq6FY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1455401.2C13hKtYGW@cedar.serverforest.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > >> No, you are not forced to do anything! Stop this disinformation, > > I agree. I'm not happy with the state of 8.10, but I'll backup, upgrade, > and if necessary restore, next month. > >> nobody forces you to update to 8.10. Why do you all behave as Kubuntu >> would _force_ you to do so? You people are free to use whatever you >> want, stay with Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC), it's at the same >> stage as Debian Etch, so you have stability for another 3 years on >> servers where stability is a must. > > No. Only 1 more year. ...except of course that Lisi pointed out the LTS is 6.06, not 6.10 - so it's actually 8 months more support. -- derek From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 8 19:02:57 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:02:57 -0700 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48ED03E1.2060402@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 From: "Richard S. Crawford" To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: 10/08/2008 11:47 AM > Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. > > Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and > pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, > especially in the panel: > > * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > work. > > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > just clutters it up. > > If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, > I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty > much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. > > > There is a quicklaunch widgit out on kde-look that works. It is still in its infancy and is somewhat of a pain to get setup. You add applications by opening the "*.desktop" associated with the application. Not too difficult, just tedious. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other hand computers have shrunk so much they might have a very large amount of storage space and ram and big programs but the bigger the more chance you have of a mistake hiding in there. In the end what is the difference between data and the program? Where or how it is stored or that one is the actor and the other is acted on? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 8 19:21:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:21:52 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2B3BDAEE-3DAC-464D-BCAC-16597C42B7DD@gmail.com> <8f6eb7340810080505s5c92d0a4s170559f9580bdc07@mail.gmail.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <305882606.QSC7jBfr1Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 8:05:09 am Robert Parker wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Art Alexion >> wrote: >> > Lisi, >> > >> > That is an excellent point about hardware manufacturers pre-installing >> > Linux. It is a huge step forward in widespread Linux adoption and >> > won't happen with unstable distros. >> >> Manufacturers also install Windows, the least stable distro of them all. > > I don't personally use windows or even own a Microsoft product, but I > support > about 20 windows 2003 servers and 300 windows XP desktops in my job. I > also > have KDE 4 from the PPA on Hardy and a test install of Intrepid. I can > tell you that windows XP is much, much more stable than the current > iteration of of KDE 4. I was going to say that, but ... manufacturers also happily installed WinME and currently install Vista. -- derek From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 20:00:15 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <0C7B4626-E36C-4599-B08D-E6420A18FCE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <261749.99648.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> theanks for the reply --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Art Alexion wrote: > That would be Debian unstable (as opposed to testing). And > don't let > the 'unstable' fool you. Thanks I think I know this. I read about k/ubuntu and how it adpts debian years ago. And it's not fooling me, it's scaring me. I have few friends (users) who are using k/ubuntu and have to help them go ahead. The good thing is they do not update :-) In fact I had my best experience with my old desktop pc and debian stable. It was woody isntalled right after it went out. Not much stuff - basic kde and kernel 2.4.26 at the end. I've been using it for may be 5 years until I've got a notebook. I compiled a lot of programs I've been missing fixed the bugs or had them fixed by the dev people and I naver ever had problems like now. I'm spending more time right now in different user lists trying to find a solution and finally compile the program from source, test it and solve the problem forever. I'm planing to do the same with lenny , though hardware and apps got more complex. thanks for the discussion anyway From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 20:25:52 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <486353.18216.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you for the "must" response --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Well, you _do_ know that the current Debian stable aka Etch > is way > behind 8.04, do you? Older kernel, older software, etc. And > Nils is > correct, the relevant parts of the Linux system will have > security > maintainance beyond 18 month, it's 3 years for the > Desktop, and 5 > years on servers. Understand this well: security > maintainance only, > and paid support from Canonical during this time, but no > upgrades or > new package versions. Every other assumption on your behalf > is wrong. I _do_understand this pretty well. The thing is that I'm not running etch on the notebook but lenny. It works fine only kubuntu has better desktop configuration. That's the reason I give it a try last two weeks. > ... > > >> Make that 12 month, but anyway you can select > another desktop with LTS > >> support, i.e. Gnome or Xfce. Or if you really > depend on > > > > this is not an option and it proves that I, as user, > am being _forced_ to do something I don't want. This is > not what I've expected by k/ubuntu. > > No, you are not forced to do anything! Stop this > disinformation, > nobody forces you to update to 8.10. Why do you all behave > as Kubuntu > would _force_ you to do so? You people are free to use > whatever you > want, stay with Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC), it's > at the same > stage as Debian Etch, so you have stability for another 3 > years on > servers where stability is a must. What about LTS on current kubuntu??? I think you've missed something here. That's what I've been expecting and it turns to be not true. > > Oh, and btw, KDE 3.x doesn't fall apart just because > it's not > developed anymore, it just will not evolve anymore. > It's stable and if > you want stability, stay with it! Yes after discussing the topic with you I think I'll stick to lenny and stay there until it live cicle (as debian stable) ends. Because of the more comfortable kubuntu configuration I was hoping that kubuntu would have kde in this version for longer supported. > > > Thanks Nils, this helps a lot to plan in the future > and save time. > > Debian will for sure put lenny in stable state > somewhen, so I think this is the best choice for me. > > The motivation to try kubuntu was because few desktop > things are easily managed and I've expected the kubuntu > people follow the debian scheme > (stable/testing/unstable/experimental). > > You have not read the documentation IMHO: A new branch is > started from > Debian Sid every 6 month and then worked upon during 6 > month to > release as Ubuntu (or Kubuntu or Xubuntu, whatever). NO I didn't read it, at least not the hole of it, sorry - can not read everything - have a job to do ;-) too I remember I read about few years ago but then KDE had LTS didn't it?! > Debian release cycle is supposed to be every 18 month, but > the past > has shown that this can be even way longer (remember > Sarge?) Yes I remember debian from potato > > Well, don't assume things without documenting yourself > correctly. Just > my 2 cents... > What are you refering to? didn't understand which assumption you mean. That debian will put lenny into stable? I will be glad if it happens as later as possible :-) then I'll be able to use kde3 (that's doing perfect job for me) much longer. regards From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 20:36:34 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:36:34 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810081407.38443.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810081407.38443.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810081636.39768.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 2:07:38 pm Brendan wrote: > XP crashes on me once a day (in a VM at work, to schedule meetings in Lotus > Notes) while KDE 4.1.2 hasn't crashed on me in a week, after the newest > packages. I can't believe that I am _defending_ XP. That said, you have something really wrong if XP is crashing more than once every two months. Honestly, I have an XP machine at my desk for support and testing, and though apps crash, I can't remember the last time the OS crashed. Then again, I never use IE, and only use Outlook for testing. On the other hand, I can't even use my mouse or center my video on Intrepid, and everytime I test the PPA version under Hardy, I don't see a compelling reason to use it for more than a quick look around. Amarok and kmail crash constantly. These days, the main difference between maintaining an XP box and a Hardy box, is that I can usually fix problems on the Linux distros, owing to text based configuration files and the open nature. With windows when something breaks, the only reasonable solution is usually reinstall. This is basically due to the open vs. proprietary structure. Linux tends to age well, windows does not. A system needs reinstalled from scratch at least every two years. But a fresh copy of Windows is basically as stable as a circa 2003 Linux distro. 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URL: From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 20:37:55 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <200810080548.31810.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <348334.49522.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you very much This is a kind of answer I have been expecting all the time --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Martin Laberge wrote: > > or you may edit your file /etc/environment > > and add the locales by hand > > LC_ALL=C > > reboot and youpi thanks again - regards From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 20:39:55 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:39:55 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <305882606.QSC7jBfr1Z@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081359.30779.art.alexion@verizon.net> <305882606.QSC7jBfr1Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810081639.56177.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 3:21:52 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > I was going to say that, but ...  manufacturers also happily installed > WinME and currently install Vista. They really don't have a choice. No IT departments that I am personally familiar with install Vista, but we are currently forced to buy top-of-the-line Vista licenses to get a free "downgrade" to XP. The machines actually come with XP, but with a Vista license. And when ME came out, there was no Ubuntu, and Red Hat (my distro at the time) was at version 5.2 or 6.2. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 21:04:51 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:04:51 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <2651726.16odusiKEC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810080911.12310.kassube@gmx.net> <200810081537.45247.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <2651726.16odusiKEC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810082204.51169.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 20:26:13 Derek Broughton wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 11:18:06 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > >> Kubuntu LTS (which is 6.10 IIRC) > > > > No, 6.06, and it is no longer supported on the desktop. > > It had better be - it's an LTS: three years support. Edgy (6.10) is no > longer supported, Dapper (6.06) is. Sorry. You are, of course, right. Lisi From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Oct 8 22:12:25 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:12:25 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810071748.52312.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200810081812.25997.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 06:26:21 you wrote: > Well as far as KDE is concerned, v. 4.x is where the new technology > will be. As Derek points out, app improvements are only being made to > the 4.x branches. Eventually when it works, we are going to be happy > to switch. > My personal adress is for help, not discouragement. But I appreciate your opinion too. What I want is an Intrepid technology, with a Gnome | Kde4 | Kde3 desktop. ( Remember, the desktop (any of them), access the underlying Intrepid-Linux layer. ) Having : a Gnome Full scaled Version, a XCFE full scaled Version, a Kde4 Semi-operationnal version and no Kde3 Full-Scale and Integrated and Complete/Proofed Version Of The Better Desktop I Ever Had in 30 Years, /* OUFFF */ to be integrated in the next Issue of my prefered distribution, make me feel like the old days of slackware (Remember, 15 years ago, ./configure, make, make install) when I had to reget, recompile, readapt, the packages on which I based my work, just to find they no more even compile on the new system, and having to explain to 25 customers, that it is the better system in the world, BUT we had to lose this part... to get with that other part... Unless we mix those together, and adapt here and there, to keep things working..... from Dapper to Hardy, this was a natural upgrade, relatively safe, and straightforward. Now, This is a No-Back_compatibility with wathever you currently use, You just use the new one if available, or wait for it to become available... and as many wrongly said in my opinion: You can stay with an old Operating-System, If you dont want to change your desktop. Don't be fooled. Kde3 / XCFE / Gnome / Kde4 are all FOUR DIFFERENT DESKTOPS Kde3 is a Totally different thing than Kde4... Having both, compare them, you like one or the other... Having One Incomplete and Instable system (In KDE) is an anti-choice. Linux is choice, Open-source is choice, Ubuntu-family promote choice , ... There is something I just dont understand here. I program since 30 years, and I never obsoleted a version of a software I wrote UNLESS the next version is better in ALL the uses. (if not, then the old stay available until the new version can REALLY replace it) Now, what is the choice offered to the Kde3 user who likes ubuntu because it stays current, but the current choice will be STAND-BACK or be prepared for FEWER functionnality. Hum!!!!! a penny for your thoughts? -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From fred.schaer at free.fr Wed Oct 8 19:32:20 2008 From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:32:20 +0200 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48ED0AC4.1020405@free.fr> Richard S. Crawford a écrit : > Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. > > Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough and > pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, > especially in the panel: > > * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget > like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K > menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my Quicklaunch > tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going to > work. > I had the same problem... I found the quicklaunch plasmoïd on kde-look, but what can be found on kde-look.org doesn't work because of paths that are different. However, concerning the quick launch replacement, you should try in the K menu to right-click on your favorite app and then , "add to favorites" : this is what is displayed first when you click on the K Menu, and is almost what I use daily now, instead of the folder view I have (which is not easy to use because of windows beeing on top, execpt if you want to use the dashboard plasma, which also looks very cool, I admit...) Cheers > * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon > on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions > in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer > having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget > just clutters it up. > > If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, > I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty > much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. > > > From fred.schaer at free.fr Wed Oct 8 19:35:17 2008 From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:35:17 +0200 Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <922174.78776.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <922174.78776.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48ED0B75.3020306@free.fr> If you want to launch an app with another language, try this in a shell: LANG=C man bash (or LANG=fr, or whatever is your locale) This should change the locale only for that app... Cheers Emanoil Kotsev a écrit : > Hello, > > thank you anyway for not ignoring me anymore :-) > > cat /etc/environment > > gives nothing, it's empty. > > As far as I remember you said I have to go to the ubntu list, as it's a ubuntu problem. Or may be I'm mixing up. Some mails are classified as spam, so I skip many of them. Sorry for that. > If I've got a definit answer I wouldn't "complain" > > So you've seen my nice screenshot :-) it's worth a babylon prise. For those who didn't part of the translations are in arabic, part in german and part in bulgarian. The last two I speak, also the kde configuration has them listed in this way - but the first one is boring > > I setup LC_ALL=C. It's english but it's consistant. > > Don't understand how it's possible that debian does not have this symptoms. > > Sorry again if I haven't seen your mail and complained again, but as you see we've got a progress. > > Thanks anyway and my apologies again > > regards > > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> From: Derek Broughton >> Subject: Re: default locales should be C >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 4:21 PM >> Martin Laberge wrote: >> >> >>> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 05:05:56 Nils Kassube >>> >> wrote: >> >>>> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >>>> >>>>> sorry I know "immediate" is not >>>>> >> people like to hear, but I need >> >>>>> immediate support on this or any a idea how >>>>> >> it can be fixed. >> >>>> If it is really urgent you may consider commercial >>>> >> support >> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> Nils >>>> >>>> >>> or you may edit your file /etc/environment >>> >>> and add the locales by hand >>> >>> LC_ALL=C >>> >> I don't think that would solve his problem. It's >> fine for those of us who >> use English, but he's referring to a situation where >> _his_ language is >> Bulgarian (iirc) and untranslated apps show up with German >> or Arabic >> messages. >> >> Not that I know why I bother to contribute, since I _did_ >> respond to his >> original post and he complains he's been ignored... >> -- >> derek >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > > From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Oct 8 23:57:55 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:57:55 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810081636.39768.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081407.38443.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810081636.39768.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810081957.55233.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > I can't believe that I am _defending_ XP. That said, you have something > really wrong if XP is crashing more than once every two months. Honestly, Really wrong? It's running on hardware that's ECC-ram, been running rock-solid for years and it's running in a VM with VMWare Tools installed. It just crashes every so often. It's Windows, dude. > I have an XP machine at my desk for support and testing, and though apps > crash, I can't remember the last time the OS crashed. Then again, I never > use IE, and only use Outlook for testing. Honestly, your good experience does not cancel out my bad one. I'm not blaming XP. It's the best OS that company has ever released. But, it's not a real OS, it's just a thing you click in. > On the other hand, I can't even use my mouse or center my video on > Intrepid, and everytime I test the PPA version under Hardy, I don't see a > compelling reason to use it for more than a quick look around. Amarok and > kmail crash constantly. Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever. Kmail crashed once a month ago. I use both 12 hours a day, with hard-core usage and email going back to 1994 in 200 folders, and 30gb of music. Do I disbelieve you? Nope, just glad it ain't me having the crashes. I would encourage you to launch from the command line and look for a reason that kmail crashes...might be something easy to debug or easy to report. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To me, that's a "click here to make this OS do something". Like the famous "Repair connection" button. What does it do? No clue. Can I find out? Not really. But in Linux, I can gain that knowledge. In Windows, would I know anything about what DHCP is, etc? Nope. Under Linux....etc. etc. you get the point. I'm not a "fanboy" at all. If you feel the need to pigeon-hole me and act a twit, then that is *your* foolish choice, not mine. > > Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever. > > Amarok 1.x - never crashes on me, I love it. The 2.x Beta? constantly, > however its a beta so I'm not complaining, its to be expected. What I do > dislike is this trend I'm seeing in other KDE 4 app "upgrades" - its > supposedly prettier (debatable) and a hell of a lot less usable. > > Take the KDE4 vs of the update manager, I've seen rave reviews of how good > it looks. Tried it out today - yes it looks great, but now its missing the > info on many MB its going to download! crucial info for me on my capped > account. I don't use either of them. apt-get with aliases like: alias acs='apt-cache search' alias ag='apt-get' alias agdu='apt-get -V dist-upgrade' alias agi='apt-get -V install' alias agu='apt-get update' alias aguu='apt-get -V upgrade' And Amarok 1.x for me. It's just a music player. How many features does one need? > > Kmail > > crashed once a month ago. I use both 12 hours a day, with hard-core usage > > and email going back to 1994 in 200 folders > > I'm guessing you're using POP3 and local folders - thats well known to be > stable. IMAP and Cached IMAP are *NOT* Yep. I use Thunderbird for my IMAP account. Works a charm. > Cached IMAP + Groupware is 80% of Kontacts utility is for me and its far > to flaky for consistent use, always has been. Yesterday I deleted my .kde > and .kde4 folders and started from scratch. Kmail synced with the imap > server beautifully. All was Ok till today when it started crashing on email > compose. I've heard that. Right tool for the right job, I guess. > the Autostart editor in System settings - has been broken since 4.0, adding > a program (Kontact or Konquorer) crashes it, and yes there is a bug report > which I have added to. How can a completly broken applet be left in and > unrepaired from 4.0 to 4.1.2? Because there is nobody to work on it? If you're asking how it happens, that's how. If you're really asking how can it be allowed? I have no idea. I guess they are doing the best they can, and trying not to spread themselves too thin supporting two desktops, I guess? I wasn't in the discussion they had. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Honestly, if you took a second to actually read and not fire off an email as quick as you could click, I think what I said was fairly easy to grok. Please pause for reflection before replying, it'll open up a whole new world. > If your point is that Windows is GUI driven - so what? Linux can be as well > - what list do you think we're on? hint - its a GUI for Linux. I am not trying to fight with you, but explain what you aren't getting. BTW, with version 4 of KDE, it's more than a GUI, but rather an underlying set of libraries that other programs can use. > Neither of these have any bearing on the underlying op.sys, kernel etc. No, that was not my point. The point is that clicking a button without any knowledge of what it's doing teaches nothing. Windows is not a system where interaction teaches or gives the user the access to materials to learn from. 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We have the statements Ubuntu has on public pages about the > distribution "just works". That, to me, means they are looking for stable > usibility vs. bleeding edge "wow" factor. Thank you, Steve. That is dead on. Anyone wanting to experience the "Bleeding Edge" just put Fedora onto it's own partition and have at it. Been there since FC4, got the t-shirt and just couldn't take it anymore. Stable usability is the sole reason for Ubuntu getting to where it is today, leading the pack in the Desktop area. Again, thanks. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 02:54:23 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:54:23 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810082154.24527.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Wednesday October 8 2008 21:50:54 Ian L. Target wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > >> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > >> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > >> international standard ether in any useful way.) > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. Huh. I'm 27, and was not taught the metric system in elementary school in the '80s. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I am > > >> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > > >> international standard ether in any useful way.) > > > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. > > Huh. I'm 27, and was not taught the metric system in elementary school in > the '80s. I was. It aided me in my life in Montreal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Oct 9 05:00:31 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:00:31 -0700 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48ED8FEF.3090404@dmiyu.org> Ian L. Target wrote: > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. Fourth and Centimeters just doesn't have the same ring to it. TrooFax! From arnaud.bourree at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 07:41:33 2008 From: arnaud.bourree at gmail.com (Arnaud bourree) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:41:33 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48ED8FEF.3090404@dmiyu.org> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> <48ED8FEF.3090404@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: Poor US system users, you haven't chance because computers help you to stay on your island. Because when Europe migrate in XVII centery, no tools help us to migrate and because we weren't in democraty at this time nobody ask us if we want or not. Arnaud Yes, I'm European and happy to used metric system ;-) 2008/10/9 Steve Lamb > Ian L. Target wrote: > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. > > Fourth and Centimeters just doesn't have the same ring to it. TrooFax! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 09:37:54 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:37:54 -0400 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <48ED0AC4.1020405@free.fr> References: <48ED0AC4.1020405@free.fr> Message-ID: Favorites is inferior to Quick Launch because you must open the menu to get to them. Is katapult still available? -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Frederic Schaer wrote: > > Richard S. Crawford a écrit : >> Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. >> >> Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough >> and >> pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, >> especially in the panel: >> >> * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget >> like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K >> menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my >> Quicklaunch >> tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going >> to >> work. >> > I had the same problem... > I found the quicklaunch plasmoïd on kde-look, but what can be found > on > kde-look.org doesn't work because of paths that are different. > > However, concerning the quick launch replacement, you should try in > the > K menu to right-click on your favorite app and then , "add to > favorites" > : this is what is displayed first when you click on the K Menu, and is > almost what I use daily now, instead of the folder view I have > (which is > not easy to use because of windows beeing on top, execpt if you want > to > use the dashboard plasma, which also looks very cool, I admit...) > > Cheers >> * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon >> on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions >> in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer >> having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget >> just clutters it up. >> >> If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, >> I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty >> much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. >> >> >> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 09:56:35 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:56:35 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810081957.55233.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081407.38443.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810081636.39768.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810081957.55233.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <7011AC30-ACFE-4FAD-834E-39BFB04B82B7@gmail.com> I still can't believe that I am in this role. (see comments) -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Brendan wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > > I can't believe that I am _defending_ XP. That said, you have > something > > really wrong if XP is crashing more than once every two months. > Honestly, > Really wrong? It's running on hardware that's ECC-ram, been running > rock-solid for years and it's running in a VM with VMWare Tools > installed. It just crashes every so often. It's Windows, dude. No, dude, its VMware. > > I have an XP machine at my desk for support and testing, and > though apps > > crash, I can't remember the last time the OS crashed. Then again, > I never > > use IE, and only use Outlook for testing. > Honestly, your good experience does not cancel out my bad one. I'm > not blaming XP. It's the best OS that company has ever released. > But, it's not a real OS, it's just a thing you click in. Well its not a really good OS, but it is a real OS. KDE4, on the other hand IS just a thing you click in as it just runs on top of Linux a la Windows 3.1. Unfortunately, I just can't click in it right now because my mouse is invisible. > > On the other hand, I can't even use my mouse or center my video on > > Intrepid, and everytime I test the PPA version under Hardy, I > don't see a > > compelling reason to use it for more than a quick look around. > Amarok and > > kmail crash constantly. > Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever. > Kmail crashed once a month ago. I use both 12 hours a day, with hard- > core usage and email going back to 1994 in 200 folders, and 30gb of > music. Do I disbelieve you? Nope, just glad it ain't me having the > crashes. I would encourage you to launch from the command line and > look for a reason that kmail crashes...might be something easy to > debug or easy to report. Amarok crashes on me twice a day. Kmail 3.5.10 crashes thrice daily. 3.9.9 never crashed that I recall. And I am running Linux on 6 desktops, so it isn't an issue with a particular setup. Obviously I prefer kubuntu over do, but the windows version of choice in business (XP) is currently more stable than kde4. Will v. 4 be the vista of KDE? I really hope not. > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:10:52 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:10:52 +0200 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: <48ED0AC4.1020405@free.fr> Message-ID: <48EDD8AC.5010003@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > Favorites is inferior to Quick Launch because you must open the menu > to get to them. > > Is katapult still available? Katapult and ALT+F2 have been merged sort of Sinclair > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as > well. > > On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Frederic Schaer wrote: > >> Richard S. Crawford a écrit : >>> Well, I've been trying KDE 4 off and on. >>> >>> Is it okay to just not like it? It's smooth enough and fast enough >>> and >>> pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, >>> especially in the panel: >>> >>> * I miss the Quicklaunch tool, and haven't been able to find a widget >>> like it for KDE 4. I know that I can drag program icons from the K >>> menu to the panel, but I have twelve programs listed in my >>> Quicklaunch >>> tool, and twelve full-size icons on my KDE 4 panel just isn't going >>> to >>> work. >>> >> I had the same problem... >> I found the quicklaunch plasmoïd on kde-look, but what can be found >> on >> kde-look.org doesn't work because of paths that are different. >> >> However, concerning the quick launch replacement, you should try in >> the >> K menu to right-click on your favorite app and then , "add to >> favorites" >> : this is what is displayed first when you click on the K Menu, and is >> almost what I use daily now, instead of the folder view I have >> (which is >> not easy to use because of windows beeing on top, execpt if you want >> to >> use the dashboard plasma, which also looks very cool, I admit...) >> >> Cheers >>> * I also miss the "Network Folders" icon and the "System Places" icon >>> on the panel. I haven't figured out how to replicate these functions >>> in KDE 4. And I really dislike the "folder view" widget. I prefer >>> having as clean a desktop as possible, and the "folder view" widget >>> just clutters it up. >>> >>> If anyone can tell me how to replicate these two functions in KDE 4, >>> I'd love it. But until I can get these things working, they're pretty >>> much a deal breaker for me and KDE 4. >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 9 10:35:29 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:35:29 +0200 Subject: glxgears running slow - 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EB8143.9050008@gmail.com> References: <48EAF3CF.3070301@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB8143.9050008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EDDE71.4070001@prayingforisrael.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I did a clean install of 8.10 on my boy's box. It's an athlon decent powered machine (about 4 >> years old) with a pci express Nvidia graphics card - can't remember all the details - but never >> had problems running 3D apps before. >> >> I installed the Nvidia graphics driver (as Kubuntu recommended - restricted drivers) and glxgears >> gives a lowly plus/minus 800 FPS. >> My Dell Inspiron 1525 runs at 1158.077 FPS plus/minus. >> >> How can I increase the FPS on my boy's box? They really want to play some 3D games - and I don't >> want them using my laptop all the time ;-) >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > > are desktop effects on? firstly, if you want games, desktop effects > makes games' screen glitchy, it's better to turn them off. > on my PC, i get around 1300 FPS when desktop effects are on, and i'm not > touching anything, as soon as i start moving the mouse it goes down to > 700. but if effects are off, it would go to 2000 on rest, and about 1500 > when moving the mouse over various plasma objects. > > BTW, alt-f12 is a hotkey for toggling effects on and off > > I disabled desktop effects and glxgears is now giving a very good output -- and more importantly, my son can play on his box instead of my laptop BUT he complains that the overall game play is slower because his box is 4 years older than my laptop -- so he still asks to use mine :-( Lesson for parents -- buy your kids a faster machine than yours..... Blessings, Nigel -- From cary at bielenberg.id.au Thu Oct 9 12:30:49 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:30:49 +1000 Subject: glxgears running slow - 8.10 In-Reply-To: <48EDEE2B.2080100@comcast.net> References: <48EAF3CF.3070301@prayingforisrael.net> <48EB8143.9050008@gmail.com> <48EDDE71.4070001@prayingforisrael.net> <48EDEE2B.2080100@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48EDF979.3020904@bielenberg.id.au> Ian L. Target wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I disabled desktop effects and glxgears is now giving a very good >> output -- and more importantly, >> my son can play on his box instead of my laptop BUT he complains that the overall game play is >> slower because his box is 4 years older than my laptop -- so he still asks to use mine :-( >> >> Lesson for parents -- buy your kids a faster machine than yours..... >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > > Um, how about just saying, "no" ? > > I have run glxgears on my IBM T61 Stinkpad with Kubuntu 64 with latest Nvidia driver (installed today 177.80) NVS 140 graphics chipset I get 6061 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1212.162 FPS 6784 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1356.768 FPS 6795 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1358.998 FPS 5822 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1163.441 FPS I'm running full GUI eye candy, being a IBM laptop they aren't built for graphics performance! I don't think this is too shabby. 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It's smooth enough and fast enough and > pretty enough, but there are a couple of things that irked me, > especially in the panel: The one application I use often is Katapult mainly for launching Konsole, but it doesn't look like it's going to be ported to KDE 4. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 9 13:41:23 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:41:23 -0400 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <48EDD8AC.5010003@gmail.com> References: <48EDD8AC.5010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810090941.23197.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008 6:10:52 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > Favorites is inferior to Quick Launch because you must open the menu   > > to get to them. > > > > Is katapult still available? > > Katapult and ALT+F2 have been merged sort of what does that mean? alt+f2 now has some autocomplete? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 9 14:00:09 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:00:09 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810091000.09636.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:50:54 pm Ian L. Target wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > >> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > >> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > >> international standard ether in any useful way.) > >>     > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.'   30 some odd years > later and we still haven't formally made the switch.  Go figure. Yep, I'm 54 and was taught the same thing in Junior High. I thought it was so we could find wrenches to repair our Volkswagens... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 9 14:01:19 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:01:19 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810082154.24527.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> <200810082154.24527.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810091001.19497.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:54:23 pm p.daniels wrote: > On Wednesday October 8 2008 21:50:54 Ian L. Target wrote: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > > >> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > > >> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > > >> international standard ether in any useful way.) > > > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. > > Huh. I'm 27, and was not taught the metric system in elementary school in > the '80s. A lot of things moved backwards in the US in the '80s and 2000s... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 14:05:46 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:46 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions Message-ID: <200810091005.46859.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:50:54 pm Ian L. Target wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > >> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > >> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > >> international standard ether in any useful way.) > >>     > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.'   30 some odd years > later and we still haven't formally made the switch.  Go figure. Yep, I'm 54 and was taught the same thing in Junior High. I thought it was so we could find wrenches to repair our Volkswagens... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 14:06:31 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:06:31 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions Message-ID: <200810091006.31491.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:54:23 pm p.daniels wrote: > On Wednesday October 8 2008 21:50:54 Ian L. Target wrote: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > > >> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > > >> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > > >> international standard ether in any useful way.) > > > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. > > Huh. I'm 27, and was not taught the metric system in elementary school in > the '80s. A lot of things moved backwards in the US in the '80s and 2000s... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 14:05:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:05:38 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081407.38443.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810081636.39768.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810081957.55233.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <2915946.TNH7JSRPmM@cedar.serverforest.com> Brendan wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: >> I can't believe that I am _defending_ XP. That said, you have something >> really wrong if XP is crashing more than once every two months. >> Honestly, > > Really wrong? It's running on hardware that's ECC-ram, been running > rock-solid for years and it's running in a VM with VMWare Tools installed. > It just crashes every so often. It's Windows, dude. Irrelevant. Even Microsoft can get something right eventually, and I don't get XP crashes. Ever. >> I have an XP machine at my desk for support and testing, and though apps >> crash, I can't remember the last time the OS crashed. Then again, I >> never use IE, and only use Outlook for testing. And I use IE, regularly (can't develop web sites without testing for IE) and have one XP machine that is ONLY used for Outlook. > Honestly, your good experience does not cancel out my bad one. Obviously not, but by all accounts, XP is as stable for most users as a Linux system. > Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever. I get Amarok crashing often - and I don't even use it that much - but I don't consider that an OS problem. The linux OS doesn't crash. > Kmail crashed once a month ago. Kmail/kontact can be crashed fairly easily by using IMAP folders and trying to move messages around while something else is moving the messages around (e.g. your filters are running). knode is worse, as it will often crash if I'm just typing too fast (I have a bad KVM switch here, which will get into keyboard-repeat mode and usually crash kontact). konqueror is the easiest to crash. Do anything that will trigger a change to the current window, navigate to somewhere else before that change occurs. Crash. I find it easiest to use "Find" to find a large set of files, and try to open one of those before the find is finished. It's a known bug, and I understand it still exists in Dolphin. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 14:12:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:12:28 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1646128.c2TSXSeXdP@cedar.serverforest.com> Ian L. Target wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: No I didn't. Please be careful of your attributions when you're going to quote something that insults an entire nation. I can pick my own fights with the US, thanks :-) >>> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the >>> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am >>> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the >>> international standard ether in any useful way.) > > I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in > the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years > later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. Yeah, it's sad. I don't know if kids are still learning metric, but it's simple to switch when the kids DO know it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 14:13:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:13:28 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <668198.42966.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2986013.fNiJOgK1uj@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> <48ED8FEF.3090404@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <1452762.G8poZnmNjS@cedar.serverforest.com> Arnaud bourree wrote: > Poor US system users, you haven't chance because computers help you to > stay on your island. > Because when Europe migrate in XVII centery, LOL. Ah, for the good old days of roman numerals... -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 14:32:46 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:32:46 +0200 Subject: Tried KDE 4.1.2 In-Reply-To: <200810090941.23197.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48EDD8AC.5010003@gmail.com> <200810090941.23197.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48EE160E.2080104@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 6:10:52 am O. Sinclair wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >>> Favorites is inferior to Quick Launch because you must open the menu >>> to get to them. >>> >>> Is katapult still available? >> Katapult and ALT+F2 have been merged sort of > > what does that mean? alt+f2 now has some autocomplete? > Yes, exactly that - with graphic icons beneath. I switched hotkey from ALT+F2 to ALT+SPACE and am now OK From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 14:34:27 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:34:27 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091001.19497.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810091034.27706.gloonie@earthlink.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008 10:23:04 Ian L. Target wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > A lot of things moved backwards in the US in the '80s and 2000s... > > Oh my gosh! The 80's were the best! Big hair - /really/ big hair, > mullets, parachute pants, one-hit wonders pop-music, 99 Red Ballons, > Girls Just Wanting to Have Fun . . . > Home computers using BBS's instead of the internet. Ronald Reagan and > Margaret Thatcher ruled the world. Nobody dared f*** with > Maggie or Ronnie! The wall came down, which of course is not in the US, > but its fall was initiated by Ronnie's famous command, " . . . tear down > this wall." > > Backwards in the 80s? No way. 2000s, unfortunately, I have to agree. Mullets did come at a price: illegal arms sales to Iran, funding through drugs of the dirty Contra war in Nicaragua, invasion of Granada, destruction of the right to organize, the invasion of Panama, assassination of Archbishop Romero in El Salvador, the devastating Iran-Iraq War, gassing of Kurds, deregulation, etc. A great time was had by all! Glenn From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Oct 9 14:46:44 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:46:44 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091001.19497.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810091046.44791.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Ian L. Target wrote: > Maggie or Ronnie! The wall came down, which of course is not in the US, > but its fall was initiated by Ronnie's famous command, " . . . tear down > this wall." Riiiight, it had nothing to do with internal German politics and power struggles. It was all because some geriatric fool read someone else's speech in front of 10 million meters of concrete. Good call. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No. > > Kmail crashed once a month ago. > > Kmail/kontact can be crashed fairly easily by using IMAP folders and trying > to move messages around while something else is moving the messages around We already established that I do not use IMAP. Read the thread. I am reporting my experience, which is different than me saying "Kmail doesn't crash". > konqueror is the easiest to crash. Do anything that will trigger a change > to the current window, navigate to somewhere else before that change > occurs. Crash. I find it easiest to use "Find" to find a large set of > files, and try to open one of those before the find is finished. It's a > known bug, and I understand it still exists in Dolphin. Yes, Konqueror crashes. Anything with plugins malfunctioning will take Konqueror down. I do not browse the web with Konq for that reason. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Target wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I disabled desktop effects and glxgears is now giving a very good >> output -- and more importantly, >> my son can play on his box instead of my laptop BUT he complains that the overall game play is >> slower because his box is 4 years older than my laptop -- so he still asks to use mine :-( >> >> Lesson for parents -- buy your kids a faster machine than yours..... >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel > > Um, how about just saying, "no" ? > 'cos I love him (and the others) and I only say yes when I don't need it. Blessings, Nigel -- From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 9 15:01:20 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:01:20 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810091000.09636.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> <200810091000.09636.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:50:54 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>>> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the >>>> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am >>>> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the >>>> international standard ether in any useful way.) >>>> >> I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in >> the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years >> later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. > > Yep, I'm 54 and was taught the same thing in Junior High. I thought it was so > we could find wrenches to repair our Volkswagens... > > > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the USA.......! He He, Nigel -- From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 15:13:35 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:13:35 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091000.09636.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the > USA.......! Yep... *I've* never seen one... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 15:16:51 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:16:51 +0200 Subject: how keep up with latest nv drivers? Message-ID: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> After years of ATi I switched to NVidia. I installed driver 173 with envy-ng from the 8.04 repository. Now - NVidia released a new driver version, I'd like to install it but envy doesn't list it. What are my options here? (running the installer from NVidia is not an option unless it got capable of building Ubuntu debs.. like ATi does... one of the few advantages on ATi) Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 15:18:27 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:18:27 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? Message-ID: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with them. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 15:20:47 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:20:47 +0200 Subject: set up a root password - yeah, that helps pulling the newbies over from MS In-Reply-To: <489774FC.2040703@earthlink.net> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <489774FC.2040703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810091720.48064.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Montag, 4. August 2008 23:30:36 schrieb John Heinen: > Sadik AYTAC wrote: > > During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user > > I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? > > > > Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? > > Reinstall, I can see no other way. John H Moron. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Oct 9 15:29:43 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:29:43 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <7608534.mYAzLujBr6@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> <200810091000.09636.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48EE2367.9030609@swbell.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:50:54 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>>>> Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the >>>>> USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am >>>>> from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the >>>>> international standard ether in any useful way.) >>>>> >>>>> >>> I am 43 and was taught the metric system in elementary school back in >>> the 70's 'cause America was going to go 'metric.' 30 some odd years >>> later and we still haven't formally made the switch. Go figure. >>> >> Yep, I'm 54 and was taught the same thing in Junior High. I thought it was so >> we could find wrenches to repair our Volkswagens... >> >> >> >> > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the USA.......! > > He He, > > Nigel > > I've got a couple 200mm adjustable wrenches in my tool kit. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 15:29:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:29:24 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081957.55233.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <2915946.TNH7JSRPmM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091051.41725.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <5822258.xM8uU5rueM@cedar.serverforest.com> Brendan wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Irrelevant. Even Microsoft can get something right eventually, and I >> don't >> get XP crashes. Ever. > > I get them, and you don't. How is this discussion helpful? It's not at all. You're trashing an OS for no good reason at all. > >> > Honestly, your good experience does not cancel out my bad one. >> >> Obviously not, but by all accounts, XP is as stable for most users as a >> Linux system. > > All accounts? Absolutely. > No, I don't think so. Without data backing you, it's > impossible to even suggest that. > You don't hear people bragging about XP's stability under load, do you? > No. Yes, actually, I do. >> > Kmail crashed once a month ago. >> >> Kmail/kontact can be crashed fairly easily by using IMAP folders and >> trying to move messages around while something else is moving the >> messages around > > We already established that I do not use IMAP. Read the thread. Now who's being unhelpful. I'm merely establishing that it _is_ fairly easy to crash kmail. I've also said that I don't consider crashing an application to be on a par with killing the OS. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 15:32:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:32:55 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091001.19497.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> <200810091034.27706.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5297360.RxR69jMa18@cedar.serverforest.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 10:23:04 Ian L. Target wrote: >> Backwards in the 80s? No way. 2000s, unfortunately, I have to agree. > > Mullets did come at a price: illegal arms sales to Iran, funding through > drugs of the dirty Contra war in Nicaragua, invasion of Granada, > destruction of the right to organize, the invasion of Panama, > assassination of Archbishop Romero in El Salvador, the devastating > Iran-Iraq War, gassing of Kurds, deregulation, etc. Oh no! Does that mean I'll have to cut mine? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 15:31:04 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:31:04 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED718E.9020106@comcast.net> <200810082154.24527.teeahr1@gmail.com> <200810091001.19497.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3097655.8sX24XuoQc@cedar.serverforest.com> Ian L. Target wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> A lot of things moved backwards in the US in the '80s and 2000s... > > Oh my gosh! The 80's were the best! Big hair - /really/ big hair, > mullets, parachute pants, one-hit wonders pop-music, 99 Red Ballons, > Girls Just Wanting to Have Fun . . . > Home computers using BBS's instead of the internet. Ronald Reagan and > Margaret Thatcher ruled the world. Nobody dared f*** with > Maggie or Ronnie! The wall came down, which of course is not in the US, > but its fall was initiated by Ronnie's famous command, " . . . tear down > this wall." Wasn't that Pink Floyd? -- derek From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 15:59:05 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:59:05 -0400 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:18:27 am Dexter Filmore wrote: > Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? > I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with > them. > > Dex You mean just adding a root account and using 'su', or is there something more in depth? The root account is there, you just need to give it a password: $: sudo passwd I'm guessing you want to not let your users have sudo access? Once you have a root password you should be okay to remove sudo and just use su (someone agree/disagree with me here, because I've never done this). Or maybe you could leave sudo installed and remove all your users from the 'admin' group or edit the sudoers file ("sudo visudo"). Just be careful to not lock yourself out of your system! Andrew From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 16:16:27 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:16:27 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <200810091034.27706.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> <200810091034.27706.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810091116.28561.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Thursday October 9 2008 09:34:27 Glenn R Williams wrote: > Mullets did come at a price: illegal arms sales to Iran, funding through > drugs of the dirty Contra war in Nicaragua, invasion of Granada, > destruction of the right to organize, the invasion of Panama, assassination > of Archbishop Romero in El Salvador, the devastating Iran-Iraq War, gassing > of Kurds, deregulation, etc. > > A great time was had by all! 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Anyone else notice this or have an idea how to fix it? tia From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 16:54:03 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:54:03 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <5297360.RxR69jMa18@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091034.27706.gloonie@earthlink.net> <5297360.RxR69jMa18@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810091254.03472.gloonie@earthlink.net> Derek, Your safe: go to http://www.mulletsgalore.com Glenn On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:32:55 Derek Broughton wrote: > Glenn R Williams wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 2008 10:23:04 Ian L. Target wrote: > >> Backwards in the 80s? No way. 2000s, unfortunately, I have to agree. > > > > Mullets did come at a price: illegal arms sales to Iran, funding through > > drugs of the dirty Contra war in Nicaragua, invasion of Granada, > > destruction of the right to organize, the invasion of Panama, > > assassination of Archbishop Romero in El Salvador, the devastating > > Iran-Iraq War, gassing of Kurds, deregulation, etc. > > Oh no! Does that mean I'll have to cut mine? > > -- > derek From slewin at bmts.com Thu Oct 9 17:01:54 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:01:54 -0400 Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <200810081433.44396.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> <200810081418.15837.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48ECFB9C.8070600@bmts.com> <200810081433.44396.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48EE3902.5080301@bmts.com> Art Alexion wrote: > what happens if you run x11vnc instead of krfb? I tried it and it seems to work much better. The CPU bounces around 30% instead of absolute 100% and the computer is very responsive. Is there something wrong with krfb? Maybe I should write a bug report. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Oct 9 17:50:15 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:50:15 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 17:59:05 schrieb Andrew Jarrett: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:18:27 am Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? > > I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with > > them. > > > > Dex > > You mean just adding a root account and using 'su', or is there something > more in depth? > > The root account is there, you just need to give it a password: > $: sudo passwd > > I'm guessing you want to not let your users have sudo access? Once you > have a root password you should be okay to remove sudo and just use su > (someone agree/disagree with me here, because I've never done this). Or > maybe you could leave sudo installed and remove all your users from the > 'admin' group or edit the sudoers file ("sudo visudo"). Just be careful to > not lock yourself out of your system! > > Andrew Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt to perform a sudo then or ask fir the root passwd? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? 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Target wrote: > >> Backwards in the 80s?  No way.  2000s, unfortunately, I have to agree. > > > > Mullets did come at a price: > > Oh no!  Does that mean I'll have to cut mine? Depends how much you paid for it... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 17:58:48 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:58:48 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EE2367.9030609@swbell.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <48EE2367.9030609@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810091358.49064.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:29:43 am Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > I've got a couple 200mm adjustable wrenches in my tool kit. That's some hefty iron... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Oct 9 18:00:46 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:00:46 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <5822258.xM8uU5rueM@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810091051.41725.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <5822258.xM8uU5rueM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810091400.46680.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > It's not at all. You're trashing an OS for no good reason at all. Snore. *plonk* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Oct 9 18:02:13 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:02:13 -0400 Subject: how keep up with latest nv drivers? In-Reply-To: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200810091402.14073.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Dexter Filmore wrote: > (running the installer from NVidia is not an option unless it got capable > of building Ubuntu debs.. like ATi does... one of the few advantages on Why do you need debs? Running the installer works a charm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 9 18:08:30 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:08:30 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <48EE489E.2050108@prayingforisrael.net> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 17:59:05 schrieb Andrew Jarrett: >> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:18:27 am Dexter Filmore wrote: >>> Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? >>> I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with >>> them. >>> >>> Dex >> You mean just adding a root account and using 'su', or is there something >> more in depth? >> >> The root account is there, you just need to give it a password: >> $: sudo passwd >> >> I'm guessing you want to not let your users have sudo access? Once you >> have a root password you should be okay to remove sudo and just use su >> (someone agree/disagree with me here, because I've never done this). Or >> maybe you could leave sudo installed and remove all your users from the >> 'admin' group or edit the sudoers file ("sudo visudo"). Just be careful to >> not lock yourself out of your system! >> >> Andrew > > Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I fire up > Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt to perform a > sudo then or ask fir the root passwd? > > No, no, no! A default install of Kubuntu will only let the first user have admin privileges. That when the first user wants to do any admin task, he/she is asked for their password (that is their personal password -- not any special admin/root/su password). Any other user that is subsequently added to the system is not given any admin access at all. Meaning that they can't do anything outside of their own /home directory. Can't install apps, can't change the time and can't even access the cdrom and a few other things. To allow the new user to have extra privilages, you have to add them to relative groups (use kUser). As long as you don't share your login details with others your machines will remain the sole admin responsibility of the first user -- which should be you. HTH Nigel -- From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 18:11:08 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:11:08 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810091400.46680.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5822258.xM8uU5rueM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091400.46680.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 2:00:46 pm Brendan wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > It's not at all. You're trashing an OS for no good reason at all. > > Snore. *plonk* To bring this conversation full circle back to the original topic, KDE3 is to XP as KDE4 is to Vista. I hope that doesn't remain true, but if it does, I shall skip KDE4 just as businesses are skipping Vista. Put another way KDE3 is superior to Gnome, but Gnome is superior to KDE4. Well, at least today, Fluxbox is superior to KDE4. I can't wait for KDE5! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 18:34:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:34:11 -0300 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I > fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt > to perform a sudo Absolutely. What's the problem? The _only_ user, as set up by the installer, who has sudo access is the user created at install time. No other user has access to root. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 18:37:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:37:10 -0300 Subject: Krdc/Krfb References: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> <200810081418.15837.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48ECFB9C.8070600@bmts.com> <200810081433.44396.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48EE3902.5080301@bmts.com> Message-ID: <1902902.L9PQFbfqAG@cedar.serverforest.com> Scott wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> what happens if you run x11vnc instead of krfb? > > I tried it and it seems to work much better. The CPU bounces around 30% > instead of absolute 100% and the computer is very responsive. Is there > something wrong with krfb? Maybe I should write a bug report. All of the various vncs have different performance costs. For a pure VNC solution, I found tightvnc to be the best. Better still, use NX if you can start an NX server on the machine you want to access. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 18:51:59 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:51:59 +0300 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48EE52CF.5060109@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > >> Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I >> fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt >> to perform a sudo > > Absolutely. What's the problem? The _only_ user, as set up by the > installer, who has sudo access is the user created at install time. No > other user has access to root. i think wha dexter wanted was to remove sudo in the first place and make his system like the old classic linux. remove sudo access for even himself, and use the root password for his work. he's asking, if he fires adept, will it recognise the lack of sudo and ask for the root password, or will it not notice such thing, and asks for sudo password (his own password) which will of course fail. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've had more than enough of your drivel. -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 20:08:52 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:08:52 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5822258.xM8uU5rueM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091400.46680.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 2:00:46 pm Brendan wrote: >> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > It's not at all. You're trashing an OS for no good reason at all. >> >> Snore. *plonk* > > To bring this conversation full circle back to the original topic, > > KDE3 is to XP as KDE4 is to Vista. > > I hope that doesn't remain true, but if it does, I shall skip KDE4 just as > businesses are skipping Vista. > > Put another way KDE3 is superior to Gnome, but Gnome is superior to KDE4. > Well, at least today, Fluxbox is superior to KDE4. > > I can't wait for KDE5! I don't even want to get into this war but, is it far to say that about 8.10 kde4 when it has not yet been released in a stable form? Or, are you basing this on KDE4 from 8.04? I maybe be being naive but I am still hoping that 8.10 kde 4 gets it together and gives us something to be proud about. My hopes are not high and I think it was likely a real bone head move by the Devs but MAYBE. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Oct 9 20:14:48 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:14:48 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810091358.49064.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <48EE2367.9030609@swbell.net> <200810091358.49064.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EE6638.5070500@swbell.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:29:43 am Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> I've got a couple 200mm adjustable wrenches in my tool kit. >> > > That's some hefty iron... > Near as I can figure it refers to the length of the wrench rather than the opening. But they do say 200mm on the side. More like an eight inch crescent. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Oct 9 20:20:37 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:20:37 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810091620.37444.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Knapp wrote: > I don't even want to get into this war but, is it far to say that > about 8.10 kde4 when it has not yet been released in a stable form? A rational argument, and no, he can't say it, but he did. > Or, are you basing this on KDE4 from 8.04? I maybe be being naive but > I am still hoping that 8.10 kde 4 gets it together and gives us > something to be proud about. My hopes are not high and I think it was > likely a real bone head move by the Devs but MAYBE. Well, they are patching it daily and it's working great over here. I wish it were that way across all hardware, but that may not be the case. 4.0.x was pure dogpoop from a user perspective, but 4.1.2 is the first version I have been able to use as a daily. Works great on my Intel and NVIDIA video chipsets. Of course, I turn off all of the desktop effects, so it flies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You're trashing an OS for no good reason > at all. > >> >> > >> >> Snore. *plonk* > > > > > > To bring this conversation full circle back to the original topic, > > > > > > KDE3 is to XP as KDE4 is to Vista. > > > > > > I hope that doesn't remain true, but if it does, I shall skip > KDE4 just as > > > businesses are skipping Vista. > > > > > > Put another way KDE3 is superior to Gnome, but Gnome is superior > to KDE4. > > > Well, at least today, Fluxbox is superior to KDE4. > > > > > > I can't wait for KDE5! > > I don't even want to get into this war but, is it far to say that > about 8.10 kde4 when it has not yet been released in a stable form? > Or, are you basing this on KDE4 from 8.04? I maybe be being naive but > I am still hoping that 8.10 kde 4 gets it together and gives us > something to be proud about. My hopes are not high and I think it was > likely a real bone head move by the Devs but MAYBE. > I've only been playing with KDE4.x for a few days and there are several things I'm not so crazy about [ this plasmoid crap for one thing ]. There are many things I like WAY more about KDE3.x. Things I'm sure are lost and gone forever. So, now I just have to come to terms with what's here. I'm quite sure that with time we all will come to deal with what it IS [ but sometimes think about what it might have been ]. The biggest hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There are some out there that think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them that's just fine. For some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a couple years there will be people that feel the same way about KDE4.x. That's how life is. If your a programmer type and don't like it, make your own. Perhaps your will take over the Linux world. The only constant is change. Time wounds all heels. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 21:10:45 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:10:45 +1000 Subject: OT: Test Message-ID: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> None of my list mail via KMail is getting through ... -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 21:17:56 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE7297.4060905@swbell.net> Message-ID: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> excuse me that I'm posting again without being asked, but it's not matter of willing to change or not. It's matter of stability. I and I assume many people as I don't want to change to something that causes headake. This is the point, so until it's not stable I think kde3 should stay available somewhere and get updated, because there are still bugs. You're very pathetic about changes, may be you have time to play or masohistic pleasure to file bugs. I don't! I wan't to keep the thing I am using to do my job the way it is. If its about playing I don't mind and really I have installed and still have kde4 somewhere on my drives. It's simply not stable so that I can use it for serious work. Understand the point? --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > ]. The biggest > hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There are some > out there that > think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them that's > just fine. For > some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a couple > years there > will be people that feel the same way about KDE4.x. > That's how life is. > > If your a programmer type and don't like it, make your > own. Perhaps your > will take over the Linux world. > > The only constant is change. > > Time wounds all heels. From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 21:28:50 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <200810091352.14413.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <392665.47814.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry to mix up also in your discussion, but I'm using a program called krd, which is much much better (my own opinion) than krfb or krdc. Unfortunately it's not avialable on kubuntu but can be downloaded from sourceforge and compiles in about 2min on hardy It uses rdesktop and docks in the panel - the think I always wanted to have ;-) may be give it a try regards --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Art Alexion wrote: > From: Art Alexion > Subject: Re: Krdc/Krfb > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:52 PM > On Thursday 09 October 2008 1:01:54 pm Scott wrote: > > Art Alexion wrote: > > > what happens if you run x11vnc instead of krfb? > > > > I tried it and it seems to work much better. The CPU > bounces around 30% > > instead of absolute 100% and the computer is very > responsive. Is there > > something wrong with krfb? Maybe I should write a > bug report. > > I never used krfb, so I don't know. I use x11vnc to > administer a couple of > servers running icewm and browser based configurators. > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 21:30:15 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <200810091352.14413.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <269572.19658.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry forgot to say that it uses either rdesktop or vnc client, so you may choose which protocol to use for connecting. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 21:31:50 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:31:50 +0300 Subject: OT: Test In-Reply-To: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> References: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48EE7846.4040903@gmail.com> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > None of my list mail via KMail is getting through ... > using POP3? none of my list mail gets fetched by kmail or thunderbird when using pop3. that's why i use IMAP. is this the same ase with you? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wan't to keep the thing I am using to do my job the way it is. If its about playing I don't mind and really I have installed and still have kde4 somewhere on my drives. It's simply not stable so that I can use it for serious work. > > Understand the point? > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > >> ]. The biggest >> hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There are some >> out there that >> think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them that's >> just fine. For >> some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a couple >> years there >> will be people that feel the same way about KDE4.x. >> That's how life is. >> >> If your a programmer type and don't like it, make your >> own. Perhaps your >> will take over the Linux world. >> >> The only constant is change. >> >> Time wounds all heels. >> > > > > > > Can I put a different spin on this (excuse me if it has already been said) Kubuntu is the poor brother to Ubuntu with very finite resources, having the team support KDE3 past 8.04 is silly, yes some of us pine for the old KDE but in the end any time devoted to keeping another system going past Hardy just is way too much a drain on little resources we have. I get frustrated at the length of time it takes to get patches & new functionality into Kubuntu & any where we can lighten the load should be explored. Dumping a 2nd UI I believe just makes sense. My 2c worth Cary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > From: Lindsay Mathieson > Subject: OT: Test > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:10 PM > None of my list mail via KMail is getting through ... > > -- > Lindsay > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 21:43:15 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <3097655.8sX24XuoQc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <937899.38274.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:31 PM > Ian L. Target wrote: > > > Art Alexion wrote: > >> A lot of things moved backwards in the US in the > '80s and 2000s... > > > > Oh my gosh! The 80's were the best! Big hair - > /really/ big hair, > > mullets, parachute pants, one-hit wonders pop-music, > 99 Red Ballons, > > Girls Just Wanting to Have Fun . . . > > Home computers using BBS's instead of the > internet. Ronald Reagan and > > Margaret Thatcher ruled the world. Nobody dared f*** > with > > Maggie or Ronnie! The wall came down, which of course > is not in the US, > > but its fall was initiated by Ronnie's famous > command, " . . . tear down > > this wall." > > Wasn't that Pink Floyd? > -- I think one very important name should be mentioned here - the man called Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could end up in a nuclear desaster and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) Don't want to give a history lesson here but if the east block (russia+sattelites) was weak and sick, does it mean that the west (Ronnie or Maggie + sattelites) are strong? May be they got sick now because they ate too much fast food :-D and now it's their turn to be week. Things change in history regards From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 21:53:41 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:53:41 +1000 Subject: OT: Test In-Reply-To: <48EE7846.4040903@gmail.com> References: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> <48EE7846.4040903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EE7D65.6030907@optusnet.com.au> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > >> None of my list mail via KMail is getting through ... >> >> > > Sorry for the OT Posts. > using POP3? none of my list mail gets fetched by kmail or thunderbird > when using pop3. that's why i use IMAP. > is this the same ase with you? > > No, its odder than that - I'm *receiving* list mail OK, but the stuff I send using KMail - 4 in the past 24 hours isn't getting through. I checked the list archives, its not there, though other peoples emails sent since then are. That last test and this are sent using Thunderbird which are getting through - very weird. However emails sent the day before with KMail were getting though and as far as I know nothing has changed - even stranger. I'll test from the command line with other accounts - stop bother the list with this until I narrow it down /// Thanks, -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Oct 9 21:54:42 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:54:42 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EE7DA2.8010807@swbell.net> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > excuse me that I'm posting again without being asked, but it's not matter of willing to change or not. > > It's matter of stability. I and I assume many people as I don't want to change to something that causes headake. > > This is the point, so until it's not stable I think kde3 should stay available somewhere and get updated, because there are still bugs. > > You're very pathetic about changes, may be you have time to play or masohistic pleasure to file bugs. > > I don't! I wan't to keep the thing I am using to do my job the way it is. If its about playing I don't mind and really I have installed and still have kde4 somewhere on my drives. It's simply not stable so that I can use it for serious work. > > Understand the point? > I'll admit right up front that I am not a power user. I'm an average home user. So far, for me at least, KDE4 has been about as stable as KDE3. No major hiccups. No minor ones for that matter either. The only bugs I've found so are actually features I don't like. I see no point in posting them in a bug report. IF, I was a power user and wanted to keep using using what was most stable for me I would just do so. I'm quite sure, well pretty sure anyway, there will be no quantum leaps in software for at least the next six months to a year. By then most things should be sorted out and you can give it a go again. I don't plan on scrapping my 8.04/KDE3.5.10 anytime soon. I still have, and use, a DOS computer. It still does what I need done with a minimum of fuss and bother. There have been a LOT of changes since DOS 6.2.2/Win 3.1 but there's no need to use anything higher. In fact some of the software won't even run if you get much past there. I don't believe there have been any updates to DOS 6.2.2/Win 3.1 for some years. Just because it's OLD doesn't make it useless. If some programmer types wanted to take over 3.5.x and keep it going I'm fairly sure they could. It is open source after all. > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > >> ]. The biggest >> hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There are some >> out there that >> think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them that's >> just fine. For >> some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a couple >> years there >> will be people that feel the same way about KDE4.x. >> That's how life is. >> >> If your a programmer type and don't like it, make your >> own. Perhaps your >> will take over the Linux world. >> >> The only constant is change. >> >> Time wounds all heels. >> > > > > > > From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Oct 9 21:55:48 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:55:48 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EE7DE4.6050908@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > excuse me that I'm posting again without being asked, but it's not matter of willing to change or not. > > It's matter of stability. I and I assume many people as I don't want to change to something that causes headake. > > This is the point, so until it's not stable I think kde3 should stay available somewhere and get updated, because there are still bugs. > > You're very pathetic about changes, may be you have time to play or masohistic pleasure to file bugs. > > I don't! I wan't to keep the thing I am using to do my job the way it is. If its about playing I don't mind and really I have installed and still have kde4 somewhere on my drives. It's simply not stable so that I can use it for serious work. > > Understand the point? Actually, no. What is your point? I got the point of the others, those who like stable and those who like new and those who dream to have both. You want stable and don't like change, that's perfectly fine but I don't see why you should call others masochistic or pathetic because they have a different opinion or different wishes. You are not being forced out of the current 3.x KDE, I personally will keep an 8.04 dvd around just in case. If the bugs bug you (bad pun...), file bug reports, ask the developers (nicely... screaming "immediately" and "pathetic" and "understand the point?" won't help), or grab the code and a compiler. It's not easy and simple, but neither is freedom. my 2c, I. > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> ]. The biggest >> hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There are some >> out there that >> think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them that's >> just fine. For >> some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a couple >> years there >> will be people that feel the same way about KDE4.x. >> That's how life is. >> >> If your a programmer type and don't like it, make your >> own. Perhaps your >> will take over the Linux world. >> >> The only constant is change. >> >> Time wounds all heels. > > > > > From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 21:58:44 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <954908.41043.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > From: Cary Bielenberg > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:32 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > excuse me that I'm posting again without being > asked, but it's not matter of willing to change or not. > > > > It's matter of stability. I and I assume many > people as I don't want to change to something that > causes headake. > > > > This is the point, so until it's not stable I > think kde3 should stay available somewhere and get updated, > because there are still bugs. > > > > You're very pathetic about changes, may be you > have time to play or masohistic pleasure to file bugs. > > > > I don't! I wan't to keep the thing I am using > to do my job the way it is. If its about playing I don't > mind and really I have installed and still have kde4 > somewhere on my drives. It's simply not stable so that I > can use it for serious work. > > > > Understand the point? > > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Billie Erin Walsh > wrote: > > > > > >> ]. The biggest > >> hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There > are some > >> out there that > >> think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them > that's > >> just fine. For > >> some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a > couple > >> years there > >> will be people that feel the same way about > KDE4.x. > >> That's how life is. > >> > >> If your a programmer type and don't like it, > make your > >> own. Perhaps your > >> will take over the Linux world. > >> > >> The only constant is change. > >> > >> Time wounds all heels. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I put a different spin on this (excuse me if it has > already been > said) Kubuntu is the poor brother to Ubuntu with very > finite resources, > having the team support KDE3 past 8.04 is silly, yes some > of us pine for > the old KDE but in the end any time devoted to keeping > another system > going past Hardy just is way too much a drain on little > resources we > have. I get frustrated at the length of time it takes to > get patches & > new functionality into Kubuntu & any where we can > lighten the load > should be explored. Dumping a 2nd UI I believe just makes > sense. > I've got your point. I also was not familiar with what exactly kubuntu is. I tought it's ubuntu with kde and equivalent to ubuntu (in all terms) I've learned much more from this discussion and I want to say that I'm really disappointed, but I agree with you and appreciate what you do for populating linux. Seems that we are missing kde driven project like ubuntu which can offer the stability needed for kde desktop kde 2 was ugly and unusable most of the time, kde 3.0-3.3 was something better then nightmare ... so lets see how long it'ss take for kde4 to get usable. I really believe that people learned from the past, but still to bring up a distro with something just nice is not enough. regards regards From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 21:59:33 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:59:33 +1000 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Can I put a different spin on this (excuse me if it has already been > said) Kubuntu is the poor brother to Ubuntu with very finite > resources, having the team support KDE3 past 8.04 is silly, yes some > of us pine for the old KDE but in the end any time devoted to keeping > another system going past Hardy just is way too much a drain on little > resources we have. I get frustrated at the length of time it takes to > get patches & new functionality into Kubuntu & any where we can > lighten the load should be explored. Dumping a 2nd UI I believe just > makes sense. Yah, on the whole I agree, maintaining two separate KDE's is just not feasible even in the short term, I'm surprised they even did it for Hardy. OTOH I appreciate people spain who want to keep current with Kubuntu releases but need stable desktops, because KDE 4.x just isn't there yet, and I doubt Intrepid will be any better. The problems aren't in the base distro, its KDE itself and there isn't a lot Canonical can do about that. I dunno what the solution is other than wait for KDE 4.3 or 4.4. Maybe Kubuntu should have stuck with KDE 3.5 till 2009, but people would have been upset with that as well. Rock and a hard place really. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 22:02:13 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE7DE4.6050908@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <500348.75046.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:55 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > excuse me that I'm posting again without being > asked, but it's not matter of willing to change or not. > > > > It's matter of stability. I and I assume many > people as I don't want to change to something that > causes headake. > > > > This is the point, so until it's not stable I > think kde3 should stay available somewhere and get updated, > because there are still bugs. > > > > You're very pathetic about changes, may be you > have time to play or masohistic pleasure to file bugs. > > > > I don't! I wan't to keep the thing I am using > to do my job the way it is. If its about playing I don't > mind and really I have installed and still have kde4 > somewhere on my drives. It's simply not stable so that I > can use it for serious work. > > > > Understand the point? > > Actually, no. What is your point? I got the point of the > others, those > who like stable and those who like new and those who dream > to have both. My point is that Mr. Walsh is concluding somehow that people who want to keep kde3 don't want to change "hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change" this is not true. I want to change, but to something stable not something unstable got the point now? > You want stable and don't like change, that's > perfectly fine but I don't > see why you should call others masochistic or pathetic > because they have > a different opinion or different wishes. You are not being > forced out of > the current 3.x KDE, I personally will keep an 8.04 dvd > around just in > case. If the bugs bug you (bad pun...), file bug reports, > ask the > developers (nicely... screaming "immediately" and > "pathetic" and > "understand the point?" won't help), or grab > the code and a compiler. > It's not easy and simple, but neither is freedom. > my 2c, > I. > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Billie Erin Walsh > wrote: > > > >> ]. The biggest > >> hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change. There > are some > >> out there that > >> think the CLI is the ONLY way to go. For them > that's > >> just fine. For > >> some, me included, KDE3.x was the cats meow. In a > couple > >> years there > >> will be people that feel the same way about > KDE4.x. > >> That's how life is. > >> > >> If your a programmer type and don't like it, > make your > >> own. Perhaps your > >> will take over the Linux world. > >> > >> The only constant is change. > >> > >> Time wounds all heels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Oct 9 22:06:11 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:06:11 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48EE8053.3020800@dmiyu.org> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Yah, on the whole I agree, maintaining two separate KDE's is just not > feasible even in the short term, I'm surprised they even did it for Hardy. Wait, wait. Hold on a sec. Ubuntu touches almost 2 dozen thousand packages, maintains no less than 5 different front ends (GNome, KDE, XFCE, Edu and netbook) and somehow KDE3 would be too difficult!? ... Uhhhh, no. > I dunno what the solution is other than wait for KDE 4.3 or 4.4. Maybe > Kubuntu should have stuck with KDE 3.5 till 2009, but people would have > been upset with that as well. Rock and a hard place really. Keep it as it is or even take another step forward. 8.04 ships with 3.5.9 with 4.0 as an alternative. Upgraded to 3.5.10 and 4.1.2 respectively. 8.10 ships with 4.1.2 with 3.5.10 as an alternative. Probably might see 4.2.x out of this. 9.04 ships with 4.2.x. That way it is a full year until 3.5.10 is dropped and allows for 18 months past that which should take it to the LTS of 4.x. It gives 4.x time to mature. I use it, I won't say it isn't improved over 4.0 but it is almost there. The key word is almost. I think another 6 months to mature would change that from "almost" to "yes, it's ready." That, to me, is what people are asking for. The option to pick between the two up until 4.x is ready. From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Oct 9 22:11:12 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:11:12 +0100 Subject: OT: Test In-Reply-To: <48EE7D65.6030907@optusnet.com.au> References: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> <48EE7846.4040903@gmail.com> <48EE7D65.6030907@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200810092311.12705.dave@thefletchers.net> On Thursday 09 Oct 2008, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > > No, its odder than that - I'm *receiving* list mail OK, but the stuff I > send using KMail - 4 in the past 24 hours isn't getting through. I > checked the list archives, its not there, though other peoples emails > sent since then are. That last test and this are sent using Thunderbird > which are getting through - very weird. However emails sent the day > before with KMail were getting though and as far as I know nothing has > changed - even stranger. > > I'll test from the command line with other accounts - stop bother the > list with this until I narrow it down /// > > > Thanks, > > Sent using kmail, but I'm relaying through a little machine running Ubuntu Server, configured to use Postfix with authenticated SMTP to the 1&1 service. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 22:21:59 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:59 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <500348.75046.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <500348.75046.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810092321.59668.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 23:02:13 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > got the point now? Since English is for you a foreign language, you are probably less aware than most of us of the impression that your emails are creating - and for all of us email can be difficult and very open to misinterpretation because of the lack of inflexion, tone and body language. Emoticons just don't cut the ice as substitutes. So you are probably not aware how rude you are being a lot of the time. You are not the only one being rude in this discussion, but I suspect the one or two others know perfectly well that they are being rude and are doing it on purpose. I realise that corresponding in a foreign language is very difficult and your English is very good. But perhaps try rephrasing your contributions? Unless, of course, I am wrong and you are being rude on purpose. ;-) Lisi From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Oct 9 22:32:48 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:32:48 +0100 Subject: OT: Test In-Reply-To: <200810092311.12705.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> <48EE7D65.6030907@optusnet.com.au> <200810092311.12705.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200810092332.48533.dave@thefletchers.net> On Thursday 09 Oct 2008, David Fletcher wrote: > On Thursday 09 Oct 2008, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > Sent using kmail, but I'm relaying through a little machine running Ubuntu > Server, configured to use Postfix with authenticated SMTP to the 1&1 service. > > Works for me. BTW all my mail goes through forwarding addresses into a mail box at 1&1, then the same server picks it up as a cron job running fetchmail, then sorts it into everybody's boxes at home with procmail, then we collect via the dovecot server with kmail on the desktops. Any help to anybody? From ender8282 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 22:41:29 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:41:29 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE86CC.6040706@comcast.net> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> <48EE8053.3020800@dmiyu.org> <48EE86CC.6040706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48EE8899.5010802@yahoo.com> Ian L. Target wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: > >> >> >> 8.04 ships with 3.5.9 with 4.0 as an alternative. Upgraded to 3.5.10 and >> 4.1.2 respectively. >> >> 8.10 ships with 4.1.2 with 3.5.10 as an alternative. Probably might see 4.2.x >> out of this >> > > Hey, hey, hey there, hold on a minute! This whole KDE 3.5 vs 4.2 stuff > erupted after the OP (me) posted the following question: Will Kubuntu > 8.10 be available with KDE 3.5.10? I have deleted the responses but I > am certain the first response was a "NO." So whats the scoop? Will > Kubuntu 8.10 be available with KDE 3.5.10? I looked on > http://www.kubuntu.org but didn't see anything that would answer this. > > Ian > > > I think the real question is will Cannoicle (sp?) support 3.5.10. The answer appears to be no. I would be a little surprised if someone out there doesn't write a "how to". I can't see what dependencies 3.5.10 would have that won't be met by 4.2. So it should be relatively easy. It seems like you will have to add a new repository that has the 3.5.10 packages, and install it. I do know that 8.10 started using .kde as folder for kde 4 properties (in older versions they had been using .kde4.) so there might be some setting collisions. I bet it will come if we are patient. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 22:41:34 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:41:34 +1000 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE86CC.6040706@comcast.net> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> <48EE8053.3020800@dmiyu.org> <48EE86CC.6040706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48EE889E.5090002@optusnet.com.au> Ian L. Target wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: > >> >> >> 8.04 ships with 3.5.9 with 4.0 as an alternative. Upgraded to 3.5.10 and >> 4.1.2 respectively. >> >> 8.10 ships with 4.1.2 with 3.5.10 as an alternative. Probably might see 4.2.x >> out of this >> > > Hey, hey, hey there, hold on a minute! This whole KDE 3.5 vs 4.2 stuff > erupted after the OP (me) posted the following question: Will Kubuntu > 8.10 be available with KDE 3.5.10? I have deleted the responses but I > am certain the first response was a "NO." So whats the scoop? Will > Kubuntu 8.10 be available with KDE 3.5.10? I looked on > http://www.kubuntu.org but didn't see anything that would answer this. > I think Steve was making a suggestion as to what Kubuntu could do, not alas what it is doing. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 22:51:45 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810092321.59668.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> thanks for your mail. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Lisi Reisz wrote: > From: Lisi Reisz > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 12:21 AM > On Thursday 09 October 2008 23:02:13 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > got the point now? > > Since English is for you a foreign language, you are > probably less aware than > most of us of the impression that your emails are creating > - and for all of > us email can be difficult and very open to > misinterpretation because of the > lack of inflexion, tone and body language. Emoticons just > don't cut the ice > as substitutes. In fact I can not estimate all the time how it would sound to native speekers as english is not the first or second primiry language I speak. I have a degree in philology so I think I know how languages work. The language is at the one side and the culture (not my personal though) at the other side. In this case in fact I was a bit rude. And this because I hate people makeing statements about me or people like me saying I don't want to change and other people asking what's my point, when I comment this statement. > > So you are probably not aware how rude you are being a lot > of the time. You > are not the only one being rude in this discussion, but I > suspect the one or > two others know perfectly well that they are being rude and > are doing it on > purpose. > > I realise that corresponding in a foreign language is very > difficult and your > English is very good. But perhaps try rephrasing your > contributions? > Unless, of course, I am wrong and you are being rude on > purpose. ;-) But anyway I'm glad to hear this from you because different cultures have different level of acceptance of such statements so it's giving me the feeling when the border is being crossed. On the other hand I used to know a lot of mainly americans who are "too softy" like we use to say and "sick of fake politeness", which does not help them outside of the USA, so I think the truth is as usual somehwere in the middle. It would be nice to know what I should rephrase. You quote "got the point now?" Beeing said "I don't get your point?" I think correct answer or contra answer should be "do you get the point?" correct me if I'm wrong And still the fact that we use english as a lingua franca does not mean that we should use the same cultural background as base for interpreting what we say. It's all about getting the point - isn't it :-) Thanks a lot by the way I learned something again - don't ask americans (I assume you are) if they get the point :-) regards From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 23:08:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:08:31 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] References: <3097655.8sX24XuoQc@cedar.serverforest.com> <937899.38274.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1953060.pS6xZTT5vG@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > I think one very important name should be mentioned here - the man called > Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could end up in a nuclear desaster > and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) OK, if you want to go all serious on us :-) I agree - Gorbachev was vital. I shudder to think what could have happened if Yeltsin or Putin had been at the helm instead of Gorbachev. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 23:11:56 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:11:56 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5822258.xM8uU5rueM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091400.46680.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4183849.NZjQFNg0oS@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > I don't even want to get into this war but, is it far to say that > about 8.10 kde4 when it has not yet been released in a stable form? > Or, are you basing this on KDE4 from 8.04? I maybe be being naive but > I am still hoping that 8.10 kde 4 gets it together and gives us > something to be proud about. It's just not, imo, conceivable. There will be no new features between now and the end of the month. There will, probably, be quite a few bugs fixed, but at this point it seems unlikely that it can be a real improvement. -- derek From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 23:20:18 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:20:18 +1000 Subject: OT: Test In-Reply-To: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> References: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200810100920.19031.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:10:45 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > None of my list mail via KMail is getting through ... > > -- > Lindsay > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album This should be it (via KMail) -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 23:25:30 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:25:30 +1000 Subject: OT: Test In-Reply-To: <200810100920.19031.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <48EE7355.1070207@optusnet.com.au> <200810100920.19031.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200810100925.30286.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:20:18 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:10:45 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > None of my list mail via KMail is getting through ... > > > > -- > > Lindsay > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album > > This should be it (via KMail) > -- > Lindsay Mathieson > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album Problem solved - big fat DOH! When I reset my Kmail identity I used the wrong email address. -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 23:21:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:21:16 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48EE7297.4060905@swbell.net> <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4573410.ijiDdTnEVL@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > excuse me that I'm posting again without being asked, _please_ don't apologize - everybody's entitled to post. Everybody's equally entitled to ignore what any particular person says, but feel free to speak up! > but it's not matter of willing to change or not. > > It's matter of stability. I and I assume many people as I don't want to > change to something that causes headake. > > This is the point, so until it's not stable I think kde3 should stay > available somewhere and get updated, because there are still bugs. That would be nice - but the fact is, KDE3 bugs have often not been fixed for the last couple of years, so that option just isn't going to happen. > > You're very pathetic about changes, may be you have time to play or > masohistic pleasure to file bugs. Sorry, that doesn't make much sense in English. "Apathetic" about changes, perhaps? Which means somebody (I have no idea who you mean by "you") doesn't care one way or another about the changes. But whatever you mean by "maso[c]histic pleasure to file bugs" I think you have to be wrong. It _isn't_ a pleasure to make bug reports, but it is the responsibility of EVERY user who can, to file bug reports where possible. This isn't Microsoft, where users are completely discouraged from filing bugs - there can be no progress in development without accurate bug reports from end users, and we should all be proud of our ability to contribute to the ongoing development of KDE, Ubuntu, and Linux in general, by doing so. > > I don't! I wan't to keep the thing I am using to do my job the way it is. Then you can - there just isn't any reason for you to upgrade. You have your perfect system - great! > Understand the point? Apparently not. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 23:24:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:24:22 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <48EE7DE4.6050908@yahoo.it> <500348.75046.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2379068.MRlzx2W1ba@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > My point is that Mr. Walsh is concluding somehow that people who want to Ms. Walsh. (You're very patient Billie...) > keep kde3 don't want to change But you _don't_! And that really isn't an issue - you don't have to! > > "hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change" > > this is not true. I want to change, but to something stable not something > unstable ??? How on earth do you plan to get there. > > got the point now? Nope. still not getting it. -- derek From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 9 23:35:25 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:35:25 +1000 Subject: Compose Email Crash : SOLVED Message-ID: <200810100935.25429.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Posting this in case it helps others. I had a big issue with KMail crashing on email compose - I'd click "New Message" then click in the message body and boom. The only way around it was to switch between HTML/plain text and that sometimes let me do it. Was creating a bug report for it and ran kmail from the console so I could see the debug output and noticed this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enchant dict for "en_US" 0x8ca68e8 Enchant dict for "en_US" 0x8ca68e8 Couldn't create speller for "bg" : The file "/usr/lib/aspell/bg.multi" can not be opened for reading. ASSERT: "dict" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/kdecore/sonnet/loader.cpp, line 116 *** KMail got signal 6 (Crashing) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bg.multi is linked to a *non-existent* Bulgarian aspell dictionary. I checked the user regional settings and oddly they weren't set, also the global ones weren't set. I configured them and rebooted but that made no difference. Then I went into my KMail identity - it has a dictionary setting that was set to Bulgarian - Aha! Changed that to English (Australian), and everything was fine. I don't know how the regional settings were cleared, I did delete my .kde and .kde4 dirs so I could start from scratch, that probably did it for the user settings, but my global system regional settings shouldn't have been affected by that. Also a missing dictionary file should not kill Kmail. Hope this helps others, -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 23:39:45 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <1953060.pS6xZTT5vG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <404456.19690.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:08 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > I think one very important name should be mentioned > here - the man called > > Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could end > up in a nuclear desaster > > and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) > > OK, if you want to go all serious on us :-) > > I agree - Gorbachev was vital. I shudder to think what > could have happened > if Yeltsin or Putin had been at the helm instead of > Gorbachev. > -- No, I don't want to get very serious on it. In fact there was one between Brezhnev (not sure in spelling either) and Gorbachev (thanks for this didn't know how you spell it), whos name I don't remember, and he "died" very fast after taking the leadership, but he was a hardliner and was going to start the nuclear war - neither "maggie" nor "ronnie" ware able to stop him. So just objective as far as possible view of history, after we learned that metrics are not taught in US, may be people don't know how serious the situation between Brezhnev and Gorbatchev was, and in fact Gorbachev was the one who decided to change things - respect. Respect also to Putin who gave the russians their self esteam back. I'm not a russian, rather I'm trying to be as objective as possible. I've been living/working in west europe for the past 12 years and I see how people are disinformed about what's going on in russia all the time. Not that's good but taking in account what has been there before and in the time of Yeltsin I understand why russians like Putin. regards From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Oct 9 23:39:52 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:39:52 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the > > USA.......! > > Yep... *I've* never seen one... It's called a Crescent wrench. David M. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 23:33:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:33:52 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <200810092321.59668.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53207531.PnJc6UxHxc@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > In this case in fact I was a bit rude. And this because I hate people > makeing statements about me or people like me saying I don't want to > change and other people asking what's my point, when I comment this > statement. A philologist who can understand this much really shouldn't be having such a hard time in this discussion. The simple point you seem to refuse to consider is that there is NO need for you to be the guinea pig for KDE4. We've pointed out to you numerous times that it's pretty simple to upgrade as little or as much as you want. You can stick with a kernel from Gutsy, KDE (3.5) from Hardy, and everything else from Intrepid if you want. You _don't_ want to change - and that's alright. So why try to antagonize everybody else? > Thanks a lot by the way I learned something again - don't ask americans (I > assume you are) I suspect not. I'd guess Lisi's German, not that it matters :-) > if they get the point :-) I'm not American, but I think I take that question the same way most Americans would. It implies they're deliberately ignoring the point you're trying to make - and since your arguments seem to be doing the same, it's insulting. From your description, I'd suggest that what you really meant is more along the lines of "do you understand what I'm trying to say?" (and yes, I realize that logically those mean _exactly_ the same, but the latter is much less confrontational). -- derek From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 23:46:38 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <2379068.MRlzx2W1ba@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <630529.5911.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:24 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > My point is that Mr. Walsh is concluding somehow that > people who want to > > Ms. Walsh. (You're very patient Billie...) > > > keep kde3 don't want to change > > But you _don't_! And that really isn't an issue - > you don't have to! > > > > "hurdle is peoples unwillingness to change" > > > > this is not true. I want to change, but to something > stable not something > > unstable > > ??? How on earth do you plan to get there. > > > > got the point now? > > Nope. still not getting it. By having kde3 as working envioronment and having kde4 as testing environment untill I and only I consider kde4 stable. Just want to have this option - but anyway I agree with you as you are the people who plan and decide how your job should be done. This is your right. It's just pitty as I spent 2 days in configuring kubuntu just to find out that it'll be dropped sooner as expected. Anyway the discussion was very very helpful for me and pretty enjoyable. I know what to expect now and make my plans. this is the point and sorry if I insulted you with my language. I really didn't know how it sounds to a native speaker regards From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 9 23:41:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:41:55 -0300 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091159.06068.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE52CF.5060109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6657735.tP7u4Tp4gJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Dexter Filmore wrote: >> >>> Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I >>> fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt >>> to perform a sudo >> >> Absolutely. What's the problem? The _only_ user, as set up by the >> installer, who has sudo access is the user created at install time. No >> other user has access to root. > > i think wha dexter wanted was to remove sudo in the first place and make > his system like the old classic linux. I'm sure it is - but he's given me (and at least one other poster) the impression that he wants to do that because he thinks anybody can run anything via sudo, so I point out that that's _not_ a problem. otoh, if any misguided fool wants to set up a root account, I've stopped trying to argue with them :-) > remove sudo access for even > himself, and use the root password for his work. he's asking, if he > fires adept, will it recognise the lack of sudo and ask for the root > password, or will it not notice such thing, and asks for sudo password > (his own password) which will of course fail. I thought I answered that - yes, it'll fail. He _can_, no doubt, create a new "kdesudo" that will essentially just run "su" and ask for a root password (easier, get an older copy of kdesu from debian, which actually did that), but failing that lots of .desktop launchers are going to fail, because they expect kdesudo. -- derek From johndecarlo at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 23:59:03 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:59:03 -0400 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3dde113c0810091659v10e233cs2d89fb48e239e51e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Dexter Filmore wrote: > Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? > I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with > them. > Dex, the two things you are talking about are completely different. With Kubuntu and Ubuntu, only the first user you set up will have sudo privileges, by default. So if you want to set up a few boxes and not have users mess with them, set up an administrator account first on each one. Then you are done, and don't need to worry. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 9 23:59:23 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:59:23 -0400 Subject: how keep up with latest nv drivers? In-Reply-To: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200810091959.24260.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Dexter Filmore wrote: > After years of ATi I switched to NVidia. > I installed driver 173 with envy-ng from the 8.04 repository. > Now - NVidia released a new driver version, I'd like to install it but envy > doesn't list it. > What are my options here? > (running the installer from NVidia is not an option unless it got capable > of building Ubuntu debs.. like ATi does... one of the few advantages on > ATi) All of the NV packages I have installed (from their website) are '.run' packages. No .deb is needed. Just make the package executable and execute it. I've never installed an NV driver from the respositories. Note: you may need the following statement in your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file: DISABLED_MODULES="nv" to prevent the normal nv module from being loaded. From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 00:06:56 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <53207531.PnJc6UxHxc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <192833.79959.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:33 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > In this case in fact I was a bit rude. And this > because I hate people > > makeing statements about me or people like me saying I > don't want to > > change and other people asking what's my point, > when I comment this > > statement. > > A philologist who can understand this much really > shouldn't be having such a > hard time in this discussion. The simple point you seem to > refuse to > consider is that there is NO need for you to be the guinea > pig for KDE4. > We've pointed out to you numerous times that it's > pretty simple to upgrade > as little or as much as you want. You can stick with a > kernel from Gutsy, > KDE (3.5) from Hardy, and everything else from Intrepid if > you want. > > You _don't_ want to change - and that's alright. > So why try to antagonize > everybody else? > > > Thanks a lot by the way I learned something again - > don't ask americans (I > > assume you are) > > I suspect not. I'd guess Lisi's German, not that > it matters :-) > > > if they get the point :-) > > I'm not American, but I think I take that question the > same way most > Americans would. It implies they're deliberately > ignoring the point you're > trying to make - and since your arguments seem to be doing > the same, it's > insulting. From your description, I'd suggest that > what you really meant > is more along the lines of "do you understand what > I'm trying to say?" (and > yes, I realize that logically those mean _exactly_ the > same, but the latter > is much less confrontational). > -- > derek > At least you can speak with arguments and this is somehting I respect. In fact I understand you much better after all this writing and as I said I know now what to expect and which are the options to choose from, so despite of the zig-zags in this discussion I am thankful for what I've learned here. Indeed "having such a hard time in this discussion" and being the "guinea pig" which is your asumption but not the way how I feel is because I know why I'm doing it. I'm writing with pleasure (a bit harder in english though), but still I don't mind. The things I write, I really do think and I share them on purpouse - just to find out what is your motivation behind and where kubuntu is going. Just to remind it started all about the fact that kde4 will replace kde3 soon and that there is no LST for kubuntu. Now I know why and I know what options there are, so I will be able to support few friends around me who are pure k/ubuntu users. The thing that I still think you didn't understand is that at the time of the next major distro shift k/ubuntu should write or say things somehow people can understand them easyly. I didn't read anywhere on the k/ubuntu web site that LST is only ubuntu related. This was my motivation to participate and to discuss (while things are getting compiled ;-) I hope you understand me as well as I understand you and again I really appreciate this discussion regards From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 00:02:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:02:44 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> David McGlone wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: >> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >> > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the >> > USA.......! >> >> Yep... *I've* never seen one... > > It's called a Crescent wrench. Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open wrench. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 00:09:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:09:05 -0300 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] References: <1953060.pS6xZTT5vG@cedar.serverforest.com> <404456.19690.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2154422.hWlgOIJVI3@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> From: Derek Broughton >> Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to >> hijack this thread!] To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:08 AM >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> >> > I think one very important name should be mentioned >> here - the man called >> > Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could end >> up in a nuclear desaster >> > and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) >> >> OK, if you want to go all serious on us :-) >> >> I agree - Gorbachev was vital. I shudder to think what >> could have happened >> if Yeltsin or Putin had been at the helm instead of >> Gorbachev. > > No, I don't want to get very serious on it. In fact there was one between > Brezhnev (not sure in spelling either) and Gorbachev (thanks for this > didn't know how you spell it), Well, it should be Cyrillic, so _your_ spelling is no doubt at least as good as mine. "Gorbachev" is the way I've most often seen in spelled here, but I've certainly seen "Gorbachov", too. > whos name I don't remember, and he "died" > very fast after taking the leadership, but he was a hardliner and was > going to start the nuclear war - Andropov. There's much speculation that he actually died even earlier than the politburo admitted. -- derek From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 10 00:17:01 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:17:01 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810092017.01213.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: >On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >> You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the >> USA.......! > >Yep... *I've* never seen one... I saw one once that was engraved in fractional inches on one side of the jaws, and mm on the other side. I should have grabbed it, I think it may be a collectors item someday. Then of course you can send a kid off to go get a metric pipe wrench too, or maybe a cannon report? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You have an unusual equipment for success. Be sure to use it properly. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 00:12:40 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:12:40 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <2379068.MRlzx2W1ba@cedar.serverforest.com> <630529.5911.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10741071.f7lpQXeCU2@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > this is not true. I want to change, but to something >> stable not something >> > unstable >> >> ??? How on earth do you plan to get there. >> > >> > got the point now? >> >> Nope. still not getting it. > > By having kde3 as working envioronment and having kde4 as testing > environment untill I and only I consider kde4 stable. Just want to have > this option - But you _do_ have this option. That's the point I keep trying to make. > but anyway I agree with you as you are the people who plan > and decide how your job should be done. Not me! I don't work here :-) > this is the point and sorry if I insulted you with my language. It's not a problem, really. I think the comments about _your_ language were purely intended to explain why you seem to have generated some resentment, and not a complaint about what you had to say. -- derek From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 10 00:24:55 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:24:55 +1000 Subject: 4.1.2 Desktop - Align Icons Message-ID: <200810101024.55386.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Is there any way to auto line up the plasma Icons in the 4.1.2 desktop? something like align to grid etc. Thanks, -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 10 00:25:15 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:25:15 +1000 Subject: Kolab Message-ID: <200810101025.16065.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Anyone using Kolab with Kontact in groupware mode? if so did you just install it from the ubuntu repo's? How you finding it? Thanks - Lindsay -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 00:19:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:19:27 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <53207531.PnJc6UxHxc@cedar.serverforest.com> <192833.79959.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1359802.gczlXdQiY8@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > Indeed "having such a hard time in this discussion" and being the "guinea > pig" which is your asumption but not the way how I feel is because I know > why I'm doing it. I don't "assume" that, I'm just trying to point out that it's quite easy to keep with a working environmnent and only experiment with the parts you want to. If you don't want to use KDE4, there's no need to. > The thing that I still think you didn't understand is that at the time of > the next major distro shift k/ubuntu should write or say things somehow > people can understand them easyly. Yes... That, unfortunately, is typical for all of Linux. Programmers have a bad habit of not being very good at interpersonal communication in the first place, and finding communicators who are interested in KDE isn't easy. > I didn't read anywhere on the k/ubuntu web site that LST is only ubuntu > related. It's there somewhere - I haven't looked for a good while, but it was hotly debated when the Ubuntu LTS was announced, and the Kubuntu team didn't feel they could properly support an LTS release. > I hope you understand me as well as I understand you I think so, now. > and again I really appreciate this discussion I too. -- derek From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 00:32:51 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <10741071.f7lpQXeCU2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <995605.83675.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton > wrote: > > >> > this is not true. I want to change, but to > something > >> stable not something > >> > unstable > >> > >> ??? How on earth do you plan to get there. > >> > > >> > got the point now? > >> > >> Nope. still not getting it. > > > > By having kde3 as working envioronment and having kde4 > as testing > > environment untill I and only I consider kde4 stable. > Just want to have > > this option - > > But you _do_ have this option. That's the point I keep > trying to make. I've got this, really. I still don't understand how it's to be done but if you say so it's may be not hard to find out. > > > but anyway I agree with you as you are the people who > plan > > and decide how your job should be done. > > Not me! I don't work here :-) It was a metaphor the job thing > > > this is the point and sorry if I insulted you with my > language. > > It's not a problem, really. I think the comments about > _your_ language were > purely intended to explain why you seem to have generated > some resentment, > and not a complaint about what you had to say. different cultures, different people, different language. I could imagine a simmilar discussion in the middle ages between english one speeking latin and a greek or scandinavian one speeking latin :-) Who knows how many wars started because of this ;-) regards From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Oct 10 00:57:23 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:57:23 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810092057.23575.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008 8:02:44 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the > >> > USA.......! > >> > >> Yep... *I've* never seen one... > > > > It's called a Crescent wrench. > > Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open > wrench. They were saying it was hard to find an adjustable metric in the U.S. but a Crescent wrench (or an adjustable spanner) in the U.S. is adjustable to standard or metric sizes and is all too common in a toolbox in America. So I don't know how they came up with them being hard to find and never seeing one. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustable_spanner David M. From slewin at bmts.com Fri Oct 10 01:08:50 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:08:50 -0400 Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <269572.19658.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <269572.19658.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EEAB22.3000509@bmts.com> Thank you fro all the suggestions. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From mlsoft at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 01:23:07 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:23:07 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <3097655.8sX24XuoQc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE13C8.5020505@comcast.net> <3097655.8sX24XuoQc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810092123.07297.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:31:04 Derek Broughton wrote: > Ian L. Target wrote: > > > Art Alexion wrote: > >> A lot of things moved backwards in the US in the '80s and 2000s... > > > > Oh my gosh! The 80's were the best! Big hair - /really/ big hair, > > mullets, parachute pants, one-hit wonders pop-music, 99 Red Ballons, > > Girls Just Wanting to Have Fun . . . > > Home computers using BBS's instead of the internet. Ronald Reagan and > > Margaret Thatcher ruled the world. Nobody dared f*** with > > Maggie or Ronnie! The wall came down, which of course is not in the US, > > but its fall was initiated by Ronnie's famous command, " . . . tear down > > this wall." > > Wasn't that Pink Floyd? > -- > derek > > I believe so! -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 01:26:52 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:26:52 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <937899.38274.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <937899.38274.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810092126.53086.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Thursday 09 October 2008 17:43:15 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > I think one very important name should be mentioned here - the man called Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could end up in a nuclear desaster and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) > > Don't want to give a history lesson here but if the east block (russia+sattelites) was weak and sick, does it mean that the west (Ronnie or Maggie + sattelites) are strong? > > May be they got sick now because they ate too much fast food :-D and now it's their turn to be week. Things change in history > > regards > > > > > Michail Gorbatchov, Changed history, and our future of us all on earth. I beleive it was for the better good. vote++; -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 01:28:45 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:28:45 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48ED8FEF.3090404@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810092128.45495.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Thursday 09 October 2008 03:41:33 Arnaud bourree wrote: > Poor US system users, you haven't chance because computers help you to stay > on your island. > Because when Europe migrate in XVII centery, no tools help us to migrate and > because we weren't in democraty at this time nobody ask us if we want or > not. > > Arnaud > > Yes, I'm European and happy to used metric system ;-) > I prefer to have a 6 inches tool in my pocket, than one on 6 cm. LOL -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 01:40:07 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:40:07 -0400 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1860136.tJo0KkGxeC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <200810072327.40463.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <1860136.tJo0KkGxeC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810092140.07210.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:06:17 Derek Broughton wrote: > Martin Laberge wrote: > > > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 13:36:04 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> Jim wrote: > >> > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> >> Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> What happened to kdesu in KDE4? > >> >>> > >> >>> I need to start konqueror in admin mode (as 'root'/'su') to add a > >> >>> directory. > >> >>> > >> >>> TIA > >> >>> > >> >>> Nigel > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> it's kdesudo now, > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Start the Terminal, and then type in su - , then password, then type in > >> > konqueror as root. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> i'm afraid that won't work, it would complain about something like > >> couldn't find an X server or something, "sudo konqueror" in terminal, or > >> "kdesudo konqueror" in the run dialog are his options > >> > > > > To work, you have to issue the command > > > > xhost + > > > > in user mode, > > > > then you will be able to connect from root mode (with a warning) > > The advice gets more and more dangerous. "xhost +" allows _anybody_ to > access your X display. > -- > derek > > for sure you read the man page, and ajust to your liking, when come security. if you have a home router or a firewall, the 6000 port is usually not opened, or easy to close. if you are on the internet without a firewall or a router, HUM! (as Picard said to Wriker, after an encounter with Q: Number One, we have a bigger problem than I thought!) -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Oct 10 01:53:25 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:53:25 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE8053.3020800@dmiyu.org> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> <48EE8053.3020800@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810092153.25826.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > Wait, wait. Hold on a sec. Ubuntu touches almost 2 dozen thousand > packages, maintains no less than 5 different front ends (GNome, KDE, XFCE, > Edu and netbook) and somehow KDE3 would be too difficult!? ... Uhhhh, no. Uhhh, yeah. K-ubuntu. Kuh-buntu...The K means "supported by a tiny group of peeps working hard with few resources". Canonical does not give them much in the way of resources. > That way it is a full year until 3.5.10 is dropped and allows for 18 > months past that which should take it to the LTS of 4.x. It gives 4.x time Again, this conversation isn't with the people releasing KDE or Kubuntu, so it's really not important what we "decide" or debate, except to debate. The decision has been made, and there is a lot of momentum now, so I don't foresee any change back to 3.5.x. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's up to us to try to help how we can if the loss really bugs you...bugs you, get it? http://bugs.kde.org or go to the Help menu and "Report a bug..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlsoft at videotron.ca Fri Oct 10 01:57:17 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:57:17 -0400 Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <922174.78776.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <922174.78776.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810092157.17417.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 08 October 2008 15:06:58 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hello, > > thank you anyway for not ignoring me anymore :-) > > cat /etc/environment > > gives nothing, it's empty. > > As far as I remember you said I have to go to the ubntu list, as it's a ubuntu problem. Or may be I'm mixing up. Some mails are classified as spam, so I skip many of them. Sorry for that. > If I've got a definit answer I wouldn't "complain" > > So you've seen my nice screenshot :-) it's worth a babylon prise. For those who didn't part of the translations are in arabic, part in german and part in bulgarian. The last two I speak, also the kde configuration has them listed in this way - but the first one is boring > > I setup LC_ALL=C. It's english but it's consistant. > > Don't understand how it's possible that debian does not have this symptoms. > > Sorry again if I haven't seen your mail and complained again, but as you see we've got a progress. > > Thanks anyway and my apologies again > > regards > > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > From: Derek Broughton > > Subject: Re: default locales should be C > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 4:21 PM > > Martin Laberge wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 05:05:56 Nils Kassube > > wrote: > > >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > >> > sorry I know "immediate" is not > > people like to hear, but I need > > >> > immediate support on this or any a idea how > > it can be fixed. > > >> > > >> If it is really urgent you may consider commercial > > support > > >> . > > >> > > >> > > >> Nils > > >> > > > > > > or you may edit your file /etc/environment > > > > > > and add the locales by hand > > > > > > LC_ALL=C > > > > I don't think that would solve his problem. It's > > fine for those of us who > > use English, but he's referring to a situation where > > _his_ language is > > Bulgarian (iirc) and untranslated apps show up with German > > or Arabic > > messages. > > > > Not that I know why I bother to contribute, since I _did_ > > respond to his > > original post and he complains he's been ignored... > > -- > > derek > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > did you check the file /etc/login.defs other useful parameters can be ajusted there. after setting the default to english, C, then you are free to setup the language of your user in user mode, to wathever you want. my case: LC_ALL=C , my user preferred language = french when french not translated, then english always take place. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 02:38:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:38:42 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <10741071.f7lpQXeCU2@cedar.serverforest.com> <995605.83675.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1381055.5QpUOGxsOO@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> > By having kde3 as working envioronment and having kde4 >> as testing >> > environment untill I and only I consider kde4 stable. >> Just want to have >> > this option - >> >> But you _do_ have this option. That's the point I keep >> trying to make. > > I've got this, really. I still don't understand how it's to be done but if > you say so it's may be not hard to find out. Just keep running 8.04, with all the various hardy repositories enabled (hardy-updates, hardy-security, hardy-proposed, hardy-backports) and whereever kubuntu currently has the KDE4 packages that install side-by-side with kde3. -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 03:11:34 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:11:34 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810092155.27507.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7297.4060905@swbell.net> <200810092155.27507.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <48EEC7E6.5040906@swbell.net> Brendan wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > > I've only been playing with KDE4.x for a few days and there are several > > > things I'm not so crazy about [ this plasmoid crap for one thing ]. > > > There are many things I like WAY more about KDE3.x. Things I'm sure are > > > lost and gone forever. So, now I just have to come to terms with what's > > If you don't file bug reports and wishes, then they probably will be > gone and lost forever. It's up to us to try to help how we can if the > loss really bugs you...bugs you, get it? > > http://bugs.kde.org or go to the Help menu and "Report a bug..." > I can just see their response to my filing a "bug" report for the "plasma crap". Or the "missing" quick start panel. Yeah right. My biggest gripes are the future. See, I'm resisting change. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Oct 10 03:18:32 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:18:32 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EEC7E6.5040906@swbell.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810092155.27507.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <48EEC7E6.5040906@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810092318.32822.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > If you don't file bug reports and wishes, then they probably will be > > gone and lost forever. It's up to us to try to help how we can if the > > loss really bugs you...bugs you, get it? > > > > http://bugs.kde.org or go to the Help menu and "Report a bug..." > > I can just see their response to my filing a "bug" report for the > "plasma crap". Or the "missing" quick start panel. Yeah right. I guess you'll never know, right? And all this becomes academic, and you can continue to rue the day that your good ole KDE 3.x died... Give me a break. Just file the bugs. A regression i.e. Missing quick start panel, is a good start. Be part of the dialogue, jump into the process instead of bemoaning on a mailinglist, the changes happening to products you enjoy. Step up and become part of the solution. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 10 04:13:22 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:13:22 -0500 Subject: Amarok and Ipods Message-ID: <200810092313.22196.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Hello all, I am running kde 3.5.10 oh HH. I have configured amarok to recognize my ipod. I am able to 'enqueue" some traacks to the lower right hand pane. When I try to transfer by clicking on the transfer tab at the top I find that is greyed out.(disconnect to the left of it is also greyed out, but connect is active.) There is a double arrow to the right of the transfer tab, which, when clicked, reveals a pane called 'configure Media device-Amarok'. Pre-connect command is blank and the Post-disconnect command reads kdeeject -q %d Can anyone help to activate the transfer button so that I may charge my ipod? thanks in aadvance Kevin Jones From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Fri Oct 10 05:03:09 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:03:09 +0200 Subject: fonts on kde4 in intrepid In-Reply-To: <48EE32FC.4040401@gmail.com> References: <48EE32FC.4040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul S wrote: > I'm noticing a bit of fuzziness in kde4 on intrepid. It's more > noticeable in the firefox and thunderbird running under kde4 than the > kde applications running under kde4. When I use ff and tbird under > gnome on intrepid, the fonts are better. Well, these are gtk apps, so that's pretty logical. > Anyone else notice this or have an idea how to fix it? System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts You might need additional packages like kde4-style-qtcurve Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 10 06:07:15 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:07:15 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810092057.23575.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810092057.23575.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 8:02:44 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >> David McGlone wrote: >>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: >>>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>>> You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the >>>>> USA.......! >>>> Yep... *I've* never seen one... >>> It's called a Crescent wrench. >> Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open >> wrench. > > They were saying it was hard to find an adjustable metric in the U.S. but a > Crescent wrench (or an adjustable spanner) in the U.S. is adjustable to > standard or metric sizes and is all too common in a toolbox in America. So I > don't know how they came up with them being hard to find and never seeing > one. :-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustable_spanner > > David M. > > David, -- it was a joke! An adjustable spanner is just that - adjustable -- it's neither metric nor imperial. When I was an apprentice the older guys used to send us to fetch 'left handed screwdrivers', 'a bucket of steam', 'a skirting ladder', 'some bubbles for a spirit level', 'sky hooks' and of course 'an adjustable metric spanner -- not an imperial one!'. Just some humor :-) Blessings, Nigel -- From hvontres at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 06:22:21 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:22:21 -0700 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810092017.01213.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810092017.01213.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: >>On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the >>> USA.......! >> >>Yep... *I've* never seen one... > > I saw one once that was engraved in fractional inches on one side of the jaws, > and mm on the other side. I should have grabbed it, I think it may be a > collectors item someday. > > Then of course you can send a kid off to go get a metric pipe wrench too, or > maybe a cannon report? > How about some "relative bearings" or a "cable stretcher" ? A buddy of mine at work had a Newby in the Navy canvasing all of San Diego for one of those :) -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Oct 10 06:40:12 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:40:12 -0700 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EE889E.5090002@optusnet.com.au> References: <951585.94844.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EE7888.9010208@bielenberg.id.au> <48EE7EC5.80308@optusnet.com.au> <48EE8053.3020800@dmiyu.org> <48EE86CC.6040706@comcast.net> <48EE889E.5090002@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48EEF8CC.1090907@dmiyu.org> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > I think Steve was making a suggestion as to what Kubuntu could do, not > alas what it is doing. Correct. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 06:41:08 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:41:08 +0200 Subject: how keep up with latest nv drivers? - libGL In-Reply-To: <200810091402.14073.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091402.14073.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200810100841.08558.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 20:02:13 schrieb Brendan: > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Dexter Filmore wrote: > > (running the installer from NVidia is not an option unless it got capable > > of building Ubuntu debs.. like ATi does... one of the few advantages on > > Why do you need debs? > Running the installer works a charm. What would happen if Kubuntu got an X update including for example a new libGL. I take it that would overwrite the one the packager installed due to missing diverisons, right? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 06:43:20 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:43:20 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <48EE489E.2050108@prayingforisrael.net> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48EE489E.2050108@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810100843.21054.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 20:08:30 schrieb Nigel Ridley: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 17:59:05 schrieb Andrew Jarrett: > >> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:18:27 am Dexter Filmore wrote: > >>> Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? > >>> I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with > >>> them. > >>> > >>> Dex > >> > >> You mean just adding a root account and using 'su', or is there > >> something more in depth? > >> > >> The root account is there, you just need to give it a password: > >> $: sudo passwd > >> > >> I'm guessing you want to not let your users have sudo access? Once you > >> have a root password you should be okay to remove sudo and just use su > >> (someone agree/disagree with me here, because I've never done this). Or > >> maybe you could leave sudo installed and remove all your users from the > >> 'admin' group or edit the sudoers file ("sudo visudo"). Just be careful > >> to not lock yourself out of your system! > >> > >> Andrew > > > > Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I > > fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt > > to perform a sudo then or ask fir the root passwd? > > No, no, no! > snip kubtun-root-newbie-stuff > > HTH > In your words: no, no ,no. I know how Kubuntu is supposed to work. Guess why I came here and asked how to make it *not* do so. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 06:44:38 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:44:38 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810100844.38706.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 20:34:11 schrieb Derek Broughton: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I > > fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt > > to perform a sudo > > Absolutely. What's the problem? The _only_ user, as set up by the > installer, who has sudo access is the user created at install time. No > other user has access to root. > -- > derek So - if "dexter" is the admin and "joe" fires up Adept the system will still ask for dexter's passwd in the sudo dialog? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Oct 10 06:46:46 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:46:46 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <6657735.tP7u4Tp4gJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48EE52CF.5060109@gmail.com> <6657735.tP7u4Tp4gJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810100846.46732.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> > > I thought I answered that - yes, it'll fail. He _can_, no doubt, create a > new "kdesudo" that will essentially just run "su" and ask for a root > password (easier, get an older copy of kdesu from debian, which actually > did that), but failing that lots of .desktop launchers are going to fail, > because they expect kdesudo. That's essentially the info I was after. So: it's somehow possible but requires a tremendous amount of tinkering but it'll break some day anyway. Well. Ok, thanks. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From hvontres at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 06:55:48 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:55:48 -0700 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <200810100844.38706.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <3097682.EX9TqxI4LJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810100844.38706.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 20:34:11 schrieb Derek Broughton: >> Dexter Filmore wrote: >> > Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I >> > fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt >> > to perform a sudo >> >> Absolutely. What's the problem? The _only_ user, as set up by the >> installer, who has sudo access is the user created at install time. No >> other user has access to root. >> -- >> derek > > So - if "dexter" is the admin and "joe" fires up Adept the system will still > ask for dexter's passwd in the sudo dialog? > Actually, I just tried this, and it will ask for "joe"'s password and then tell joe that he's not on the sudo list. So I guess as long as you always install as "dexter" you should be safe. -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) From girardhenri at free.fr Fri Oct 10 07:07:57 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr ( Girard Henri) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:07:57 +0200 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] References: <3097655.8sX24XuoQc@cedar.serverforest.com><937899.38274.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1953060.pS6xZTT5vG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <9A2F3A5102644EB19A3A6A485A983BDA@shen> not better nor worse :) they are all mafia people ... it was : go back to better jump ! the problem isn't a country or country manager ... but the evil in back ground setting all his demons... at the first place !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Broughton" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes,I am going to hijack this thread!] > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> I think one very important name should be mentioned here - the man called >> Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could end up in a nuclear >> desaster >> and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) > > OK, if you want to go all serious on us :-) > > I agree - Gorbachev was vital. I shudder to think what could have > happened > if Yeltsin or Putin had been at the helm instead of Gorbachev. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 10 07:11:53 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:11:53 +0200 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? In-Reply-To: <200810100843.21054.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091950.15607.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48EE489E.2050108@prayingforisrael.net> <200810100843.21054.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <48EF0039.8000907@prayingforisrael.net> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 20:08:30 schrieb Nigel Ridley: >> Dexter Filmore wrote: >>> Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 17:59:05 schrieb Andrew Jarrett: >>>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:18:27 am Dexter Filmore wrote: >>>>> Is it possible to have the "original" root/user model with (K)ubuntu? >>>>> I'd like to set up a few boxes with it but the users must not mess with >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> Dex >>>> You mean just adding a root account and using 'su', or is there >>>> something more in depth? >>>> >>>> The root account is there, you just need to give it a password: >>>> $: sudo passwd >>>> >>>> I'm guessing you want to not let your users have sudo access? Once you >>>> have a root password you should be okay to remove sudo and just use su >>>> (someone agree/disagree with me here, because I've never done this). Or >>>> maybe you could leave sudo installed and remove all your users from the >>>> 'admin' group or edit the sudoers file ("sudo visudo"). Just be careful >>>> to not lock yourself out of your system! >>>> >>>> Andrew >>> Well, remove sudo ans set a root passwd all sounds fine, but what if I >>> fire up Adept for example. Would it ask for the users passwd and attempt >>> to perform a sudo then or ask fir the root passwd? > >> No, no, no! >> > snip kubtun-root-newbie-stuff >> HTH >> > > In your words: > > no, no ,no. > > I know how Kubuntu is supposed to work. Guess why I came here and asked how to > make it *not* do so. > > Any particular reason? Blessings, Nigel -- From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 07:19:21 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:19:21 +0200 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 In-Reply-To: <200810092140.07210.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <200810072327.40463.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <1860136.tJo0KkGxeC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810092140.07210.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <880dece00810100019q797a7869m4616a226cc81823c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/10 Martin Laberge : > for sure you read the man page, and ajust to your liking, when come security. > I haven't, and I usually RTFM before doing anything. Really, if I am typical of users on this list, then I know just enough to be dangerous. I did know about xhost +, but I did not know that it is dangerous. And I've been using linux for about five years, and we erased every other OS in the house over three years ago! > if you have a home router or a firewall, the 6000 port is usually not opened, or easy to close. > That's a big if. > if you are on the internet without a firewall or a router, HUM! > (as Picard said to Wriker, after an encounter with Q: > Number One, we have a bigger problem than I thought!) > ....just when I need a start trek counter-quote, I'm drawing blank.... -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 07:42:19 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:42:19 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 23:51:45 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > On the other hand I used to know a lot of mainly americans who are "too > softy" like we use to say and "sick of fake politeness", which does not > help them outside of the USA, so I think the truth is as usual somehwere in > the middle. I couldn't agree more. Different cultures, as you say. > > It would be nice to know what I should rephrase. You quote "got the point > now?" > > Beeing said "I don't get your point?" I think correct answer or contra > answer should be "do you get the point?" correct me if I'm wrong Do you get the point? would be less rude, but still rude this side of the pond. (I.e. Atlantic). The polite way here (if you say it at all, which most English people, certainly those of my age, would not if they wanted to be polite) would be to ask whether you had made yourself clear, and perhaps mention that you might not have done because you are not a native speaker. > And still the fact that we use english as a lingua franca does not mean > that we should use the same cultural background as base for interpreting > what we say. It's all about getting the point - isn't it :-) None the less, a native speaker will. > Thanks a lot by the way I learned something again - don't ask americans (I > assume you are) No I am British. (English, in fact - but you do not need to get embroiled in our tribal wars!) > if they get the point Yes - avoid that phrasing. It comes across as rude. (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my nationality, since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) Lisi From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 08:19:20 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <761604.94790.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Lisi Reisz wrote: > From: Lisi Reisz > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:42 AM > On Thursday 09 October 2008 23:51:45 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > On the other hand I used to know a lot of mainly > americans who are "too > > softy" like we use to say and "sick of fake > politeness", which does not > > help them outside of the USA, so I think the truth is > as usual somehwere in > > the middle. > > I couldn't agree more. Different cultures, as you say. > > > > > It would be nice to know what I should rephrase. You > quote "got the point > > now?" > > > > Beeing said "I don't get your point?" I > think correct answer or contra > > answer should be "do you get the point?" > correct me if I'm wrong > > Do you get the point? would be less rude, but still rude > this side of the > pond. (I.e. Atlantic). The polite way here (if you say it > at all, which most > English people, certainly those of my age, would not if > they wanted to be > polite) would be to ask whether you had made yourself > clear, and perhaps > mention that you might not have done because you are not a > native speaker. > > > And still the fact that we use english as a lingua > franca does not mean > > that we should use the same cultural background as > base for interpreting > > what we say. It's all about getting the point - > isn't it :-) > > None the less, a native speaker will. > > > Thanks a lot by the way I learned something again - > don't ask americans (I > > assume you are) > > No I am British. (English, in fact - but you do not need > to get embroiled in > our tribal wars!) > > > if they get the point > > Yes - avoid that phrasing. It comes across as rude. > > (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about > my nationality, > since it might have offended citizens of the United > States.) > > Lisi > Thanks Lisi, I accept your arguments and will pay more attention in future. IT was not ment to be _that_ rude as you or someone else might understood it. The problem to me is that people deduce something (like i.e. I did about your nationality) without knowing the cause/reason/truth and we know from logics that you can never know the reason by knowing the fact. If I don't want to change something (I mean my system i.e. going to kde4.X) it's because I have a good reason, so may be try find out the reason. This is something that's offending me. Anyway I think this discussion has given me the answers (at least most of them) that I wanted to have. thanks and kind regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 08:27:47 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <9A2F3A5102644EB19A3A6A485A983BDA@shen> Message-ID: <942971.73921.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I can not agree with all you say here but this is a matter of discussion outside of this forum. We could discuss if you want. regards --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Girard Henri wrote: > From: Girard Henri > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:07 AM > not better nor worse :) > they are all mafia people ... > it was : go back to better jump ! > the problem isn't a country or country manager ... > but the evil in back ground setting all his demons... > at the first place !! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Broughton" > > To: > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes,I > am going to > hijack this thread!] > > > > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > >> I think one very important name should be > mentioned here - the man called > >> Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we could > end up in a nuclear > >> desaster > >> and linux wouldn't see the daylight at all ;-) > > > > OK, if you want to go all serious on us :-) > > > > I agree - Gorbachev was vital. I shudder to think > what could have > > happened > > if Yeltsin or Putin had been at the helm instead of > Gorbachev. > > -- > > derek > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From murray.dw at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 08:36:06 2008 From: murray.dw at gmail.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:36:06 -0400 Subject: Samsung YP-5K Player and Kubuntu / Amarok Message-ID: <613eb9d20810100136i2b431d5hd8e242deb9a8228e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Does anyone use the Samsung YP-5K MP3 player with Amarok (or other software) on Ubuntu? I was hoping that the system would at the very least view it as a USB drive so that I can move files to/from the device. Any suggestions? Thank you, Doug! -- Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next week!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 08:43:50 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1381055.5QpUOGxsOO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <180659.65962.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:38 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > >> > By having kde3 as working envioronment and > having kde4 > >> as testing > >> > environment untill I and only I consider kde4 > stable. > >> Just want to have > >> > this option - > >> > >> But you _do_ have this option. That's the > point I keep > >> trying to make. > > > > I've got this, really. I still don't > understand how it's to be done but if > > you say so it's may be not hard to find out. > > Just keep running 8.04, with all the various hardy > repositories enabled > (hardy-updates, hardy-security, hardy-proposed, > hardy-backports) and > whereever kubuntu currently has the KDE4 packages that > install side-by-side > with kde3. This sounds really like an answer (a precise one), not that I couldn't imagine what I should do. If you want to be more precise i.e. if I was a k/ubuntu newbie I would expect also to point me out where to check i.e. /etc/apt/source.list, but I think I know debian pretty well. So thanks. Now after we've figured out how I can keep kde3 running, let's clear also the question with updated after 12 months. will hardy go away or I'll be able to file bugs if any somehwere and get them fixed? This is the crucial point in all of my tribute to this discussion. As I said I've installed kubuntu only because I thought it would have LST like ubuntu which turned not to be true. As I understood in 12 months hardy will be gone forever - am I right. What if I find a bug then ... or if the things I find disturbing are still not solved? As I already said it's not only about me but also about few other people around me with much less linux knowledge and experience then me. thanks and regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 08:50:14 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: default locales should be C In-Reply-To: <200810092157.17417.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <449625.89795.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Martin Laberge wrote: > > > > > > did you check the file /etc/login.defs No I didn't. I've never messed up with this file in my about 10 year experience with linux and I've also never had such strange locale issue I should admit. > > other useful parameters can be ajusted there. > > after setting the default to english, C, > then you are free to setup the language of your user > in user mode, to wathever you want. > > my case: LC_ALL=C , my user preferred language = french I've put it always in /etc/profile > > when french not translated, then english always take place. > regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 09:06:41 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1359802.gczlXdQiY8@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <872053.45733.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for this response too. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:19 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > > > Indeed "having such a hard time in this > discussion" and being the "guinea > > pig" which is your asumption but not the way how > I feel is because I know > > why I'm doing it. > > I don't "assume" that, I'm just trying to > point out that it's quite easy to > keep with a working environmnent and only experiment with > the parts you > want to. If you don't want to use KDE4, there's no > need to. > > > The thing that I still think you didn't understand > is that at the time of > > the next major distro shift k/ubuntu should write or > say things somehow > > people can understand them easyly. > > Yes... That, unfortunately, is typical for all of Linux. > Programmers have > a bad habit of not being very good at interpersonal > communication in the > first place, and finding communicators who are interested > in KDE isn't > easy. That's what I mean. It's pitty that I don't rmemeber where I found this KDE 4 presentation in youtube. What I was trying to say that it was pretty easy for k/ubuntu to put such a link somewhere around the download link of kde4. Few people did downloaded, installed and screamed. This is a bad example of "marketing" and misleading users is something no one wants. So I'm talking here about the publicity k/ubunto is doing in general, because it seems to be a very nice distro a lot of people use. After my discussion with kernel developers we agreed that issues should be discussed with distros, so now the question is how k/ubunto developers get the message from this discussion > > > I didn't read anywhere on the k/ubuntu web site > that LST is only ubuntu > > related. > > It's there somewhere - I haven't looked for a good > while, but it was hotly > debated when the Ubuntu LTS was announced, and the Kubuntu > team didn't feel > they could properly support an LTS release. Well I think I'm pretty intelligent person and I do read more than other people do, so if I have not read it and fall in the trap, then it's well hidden for sure. > > > I hope you understand me as well as I understand you > > I think so, now. > > > and again I really appreciate this discussion > > I too. thanks for that regards From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 09:09:01 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:09:01 +0300 Subject: Nokia phone synchronisation In-Reply-To: <200809192011.09711@portatil01> References: <48D3F9AC.9010007@gmail.com> <200809191933.03731@portatil01> <200809192011.09711@portatil01> Message-ID: <48EF1BAD.1090108@gmail.com> Alexandre, Thanks. The phone connects, but I can't find a way to do anything with it - like syncing contacts, downloading pictures, etc. Any idea? Alexandre Aguiar wrote: > Em Sexta 19 Set 2008 às 19:33, Alexandre Aguiar escreveu: > >> Kmobile has done this job quite well for other Nokia model. >> > > Kmobiletools. > Sorry. > > Alexandre > > Alexandre > > From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 09:12:59 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] In-Reply-To: <2154422.hWlgOIJVI3@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <29399.35451.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions [Yes, I am going to hijack this thread!] > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:09 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton > wrote: > > > >> From: Derek Broughton > >> Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and > questions [Yes, I am going to > >> hijack this thread!] To: > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:08 AM > >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> > >> > I think one very important name should be > mentioned > >> here - the man called > >> > Michail Gorbatchov. If it wasn't him we > could end > >> up in a nuclear desaster > >> > and linux wouldn't see the daylight at > all ;-) > >> > >> OK, if you want to go all serious on us :-) > >> > >> I agree - Gorbachev was vital. I shudder to think > what > >> could have happened > >> if Yeltsin or Putin had been at the helm instead > of > >> Gorbachev. > > > > No, I don't want to get very serious on it. In > fact there was one between > > Brezhnev (not sure in spelling either) and Gorbachev > (thanks for this > > didn't know how you spell it), > > Well, it should be Cyrillic, so _your_ spelling is no doubt > at least as good > as mine. "Gorbachev" is the way I've most > often seen in spelled here, but > I've certainly seen "Gorbachov", too. I think Gorbachov is correct, because russian 'ov' is pronounced like like 'ov' anyway it's good to know that it has been written with 'ev' too. > > > whos name I don't remember, and he > "died" > > very fast after taking the leadership, but he was a > hardliner and was > > going to start the nuclear war - > > Andropov. There's much speculation that he actually > died even earlier than > the politburo admitted. Yes exactly - I've heard that may be he was poisoned on purpouse. But these are only speculations. What I know for sure is that he was ready to push the red button and only his dead 'saved the world'. regards From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 10 09:16:16 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:16:16 +0200 Subject: 8.10 observations & a question Message-ID: <48EF1D60.4080106@prayingforisrael.net> After installing 8.10 on my boy's box I must admit that I am beginning to like it and am seeing some improvements day by day with the updates. However there is one annoying thing (which I'm sure they must fix soon): Adding, say Firefox, to the [KMenu] Favorites (and also happens when added to the desktop and panel) results in a plain 'gear' icon that cannot be changed. How does one change it? Blessings, Nigel P.S. I really haven't taken the time to understand all this plasma stuff etc. and what does the 'Dashboard' actually do - or meant to do? It all seems rather complicated. -- From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Oct 10 11:44:20 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:44:20 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810092057.23575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810100744.20300.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 10 October 2008 2:07:15 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 2008 8:02:44 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > >> David McGlone wrote: > >>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: > >>>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > >>>>> You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the > >>>>> USA.......! > >>>> > >>>> Yep... *I've* never seen one... > >>> > >>> It's called a Crescent wrench. > >> > >> Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open > >> wrench. > > > > They were saying it was hard to find an adjustable metric in the U.S. but > > a Crescent wrench (or an adjustable spanner) in the U.S. is adjustable to > > standard or metric sizes and is all too common in a toolbox in America. > > So I don't know how they came up with them being hard to find and never > > seeing one. :-) > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustable_spanner > > > > David M. > > David, -- it was a joke! An adjustable spanner is just that - adjustable -- > it's neither metric nor imperial. > When I was an apprentice the older guys used to send us to fetch 'left > handed screwdrivers', 'a bucket of steam', 'a skirting ladder', 'some > bubbles for a spirit level', 'sky hooks' and of course 'an adjustable > metric spanner -- not an imperial one!'. > > Just some humor :-) LOL What an air head I am! I wasn't following this thread, but I did happen to read the one I replied to. I thought some on the list really thought there wasn't an adjustable wrench and I wanted to help them. I guess I love my tools more than I thought. LOL. Sorry guys. I'll shut my piehole now :-) David M. From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 11:59:21 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:59:21 +0200 Subject: Kontact in Intrepid (Was: 8.10b - first impression and questions) Message-ID: <880dece00810100459p2b4add12t600f6ca6fba0c304@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/7 Myriam Schweingruber : > As for now you can configure almost everything in KDE 4.1.2. It works > like a charm on my old machine (Pentium IV with 1 Gb RAM). (except for > Kontact, but that is another story...) I would really like to hear that story. I am a heavy Kontact user, and I am considering upgrading. Be specific! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 12:33:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:33:12 -0300 Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation? References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48EE52CF.5060109@gmail.com> <6657735.tP7u4Tp4gJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810100846.46732.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <23544953.irO90k35gK@cedar.serverforest.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > >> >> I thought I answered that - yes, it'll fail. He _can_, no doubt, create >> a new "kdesudo" that will essentially just run "su" and ask for a root >> password (easier, get an older copy of kdesu from debian, which actually >> did that), but failing that lots of .desktop launchers are going to fail, >> because they expect kdesudo. > > That's essentially the info I was after. So: it's somehow possible but > requires a tremendous amount of tinkering but it'll break some day anyway. I think you've got it :-) I'm not entirely sure I'm right, but pretty confident. -- derek From alain.muls at telenet.be Fri Oct 10 12:51:11 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:51:11 +0200 Subject: kde 4.1.2 and widgets Message-ID: <200810101451.11291.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I am quite happy with KDEv4.1.2, it is not perfect yet but it is getting better with every iteration. I follow the KDE announce feed and often I see screenshots with widgets that I cannot find or compile. 1. What needs to be installed on a kubuntu system to be able to compile widgets? 2. I installed some widgets using a deb-file I downloaded from the KDE website, but using the add widget does not show them in the list, even after a reboot (should normally not be necessary). I tried to locate them so that I could use the install from file feature, but in vain. Also the install from internet is not functional yet (this is still in development if I am not mistaken) Tx for any clarification Alain -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alain MULS alain.muls at telenet.be CISS-GENA +32.2.7426340 Renaissance Avenue 30 1000 BRUSSELS - Belgium ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 13:00:12 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:00:12 +0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages Message-ID: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> can someone tell me why the latest update requires the installation of some new packages like bluetooth? i don't have bluetooth, don't have BT dongle, a BT phone, or anything related to it! mobile-broadband-provider-info, i don't even USE a mobile! not to mention libgweather1 , BAAH! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 12:48:15 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:48:15 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <1381055.5QpUOGxsOO@cedar.serverforest.com> <180659.65962.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1916399.rHOWjWQuyB@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Now after we've figured out how I can keep kde3 running, let's clear also > the question with updated after 12 months. will hardy go away or I'll be > able to file bugs if any somehwere and get them fixed? > > This is the crucial point in all of my tribute to this discussion. As I > said I've installed kubuntu only because I thought it would have LST like > ubuntu which turned not to be true. Now, that's a very interesting question. Unlike edgy, which no longer gets security updates or is even available from the standard urls, hardy Ubuntu _is_ an LTS so all the non-kde apps will continue to get security updates and the repository will be there at least until 2013 (when server support expires) > > As I understood in 12 months hardy will be gone forever - am I right. What > if I find a bug then ... or if the things I find disturbing are still not > solved? If you find a bug in kde3, you'll be out of luck. If you find a bug in anything else, it'll still be handled. -- derek From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Oct 10 13:06:12 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:06:12 -0400 Subject: telephone app Message-ID: <200810100906.12882.d.mcglone@att.net> I've been looking for 2 days for an app that I can use with my home phone to make and receive telephone calls, possibly even set up an answer machine, but I can't find anything. Everywhere I look everything is ISDN or internet telephone, but nothing for just a plain ol' landline phone. any suggestions? Am I missing something here? David M. From jferrando at netplc.com Fri Oct 10 13:12:35 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:12:35 +0200 Subject: telephone app In-Reply-To: <200810100906.12882.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200810100906.12882.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48EF54C3.7020107@netplc.com> David McGlone escribió: > I've been looking for 2 days for an app that I can use with my home phone to > make and receive telephone calls, possibly even set up an answer machine, but > I can't find anything. Everywhere I look everything is ISDN or internet > telephone, but nothing for just a plain ol' landline phone. > > any suggestions? > Am I missing something here? > > David M. > > I am using asterisk with a Digium ISDN card, then you can use soft or hardware IP phones (linksys, cisco, etc). Maybe this is too much for home use. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 13:09:02 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:09:02 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:02:44 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > >> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: >>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the >>> > USA.......! >>> >>> Yep... *I've* never seen one... >> >> It's called a Crescent wrench. > > Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open > wrench. Since I'm reading this OT thread I might as well put in my $.02. Not sure where your neck of the woods is but I can certainly understand that there could be regional or local names for some tools. I've even been in workplaces where there were localised, internal, names used for specific tools. Sometimes they were names that I won't include in a post and really had nothing to do with the tool or its use other than perhaps the way the tool looked physically. My understanding is that the name Crescent Wrench became a popular name for an adjustable open end wrench (the generic name) presumably because the name of the Crescent Tool Company was so prominently displayed on the handle and most humans like to deal with simple nicknames rather than a generic name which takes longer to say. I think it possible and likely that the Crescent Tool Company was the first to produce an adjustable open end wrench. When I was in high school shop class we were forced to use generic names for tools, thus a "Phillips" screwdriver had to be referred to as a crosspoint or crosshead screwdriver. Another example which you will probably recognise (since your email address ends with .ca) is the "Robertson" screw which is a square socket screw (to differentiate from hex socket screws which use an "Allen key", hex key). I'm guessing most names derived from the inventor's surname. Similar in the world of over-the-counter drugs is the common name "Aspirin" which is a copyrighted name for a product of the Bayer Company. (I think they were the first to produce ASA). From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Oct 10 13:41:21 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:41:21 +0100 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810092057.23575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810101441.21694.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 10 October 2008 07:07:15 Nigel Ridley wrote: > > David, -- it was a joke! An adjustable spanner is just that - adjustable -- > it's neither metric nor imperial. > When I was an apprentice the older guys used to send us to fetch 'left > handed screwdrivers', 'a bucket of steam', 'a skirting ladder', 'some > bubbles for a spirit level', 'sky hooks' and of course 'an adjustable > metric spanner -- not an imperial one!'. > > Just some humor :-) > > Blessings, > > Nigel Reminds me of a comedy album from Mike Harding, in one sketch he told how he used to be sent to the stores for items that you listed above and sparks for the grinder. With the bubbles for the spirit level, the storeman asked what shape he wanted, after he said square ones the reply came back 'we haven't got any, someone dropped them so we're going to grind the corners off to make round ones'. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Fri Oct 10 13:43:46 2008 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: telephone app References: <200810100906.12882.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:06:12 -0400, David McGlone wrote: > I've been looking for 2 days for an app that I can use with my home > phone to make and receive telephone calls, possibly even set up an > answer machine, but I can't find anything. Everywhere I look everything > is ISDN or internet telephone, but nothing for just a plain ol' landline > phone. > > any suggestions? > Am I missing something here? > > David M. http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/hardy/mgetty might be what you want, but AFAIK its success as a voice modem application depends largely on the modem used. HTH, -Frans From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 13:44:39 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:44:39 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810100944.45462.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 4:08:52 pm Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > > To bring this conversation full circle back to the original topic, > > > > KDE3 is to XP as KDE4 is to Vista. > > > > I hope that doesn't remain true, but if it does, I shall skip KDE4 just > > as businesses are skipping Vista. > > > > Put another way KDE3 is superior to Gnome, but Gnome is superior to KDE4. > > Well, at least today, Fluxbox is superior to KDE4. > > > > I can't wait for KDE5! > > I don't even want to get into this war but, is it far to say that > about 8.10 kde4 when it has not yet been released in a stable form? > Or, are you basing this on KDE4 from 8.04? I maybe be being naive but > I am still hoping that 8.10 kde 4 gets it together and gives us > something to be proud about. My hopes are not high and I think it was > likely a real bone head move by the Devs but MAYBE. I am basing this on 8.04 KDE4 running as a whole, but a lot of stuff not working and apps crashing when I try them. I am also basing it on a fresh install of Intrepid that is unusable on a Dell Optiplex 740 with an AMD 64 6000 and two GB RAM, and ATI graphics. What should be the center of the screen is centered on the upper left corner of the monitor, the mouse is active, but invisible. The only way I can use it is that screen elements "light up" when the mouse hovers over them. It is pointless to test apps in this state. Gutsy was quite stable and usable by the end of July 2007, and based on that positive experience I upgraded it to Hardy in late Feb 2008 without problems. Seems to me there are a lot of big problems to fix in 21 days. 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URL: From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Oct 10 13:58:20 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:58:20 -0400 Subject: how keep up with latest nv drivers? - libGL In-Reply-To: <200810100841.08558.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200810091716.51876.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200810091402.14073.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200810100841.08558.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200810100958.20678.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Friday 10 October 2008, Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 20:02:13 schrieb Brendan: > > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Dexter Filmore wrote: > > > (running the installer from NVidia is not an option unless it got > > > capable of building Ubuntu debs.. like ATi does... one of the few > > > advantages on > > > > Why do you need debs? > > Running the installer works a charm. > > What would happen if Kubuntu got an X update including for example a new > libGL. 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The problems aren't in the base > distro, its KDE itself and there isn't a lot Canonical can do about that. Well Kubuntu could have stuck with the Hardy model of KDE 3 by default and 4 in the PPA. At least until KDE 4 was reasonably stable. If that happened by spring, maybe plunge in with Jazzy Jaguar or Killer Kangaroo next fall. > > I dunno what the solution is other than wait for KDE 4.3 or 4.4. Maybe > Kubuntu should have stuck with KDE 3.5 till 2009, but people would have > been upset with that as well. Rock and a hard place really. But I return to my hobbyist vs. business user position. Until Intrepid, Kubuntu was making a very credible argument that it was a serious desktop OS, that people could depend upon, as opposed to play with. If the issue is whether to annoy the serious users or the experimental adopters, then the answer should be found in the question, "What is Kubuntu — a reliable platform for computing, or an experimental toy for hobbyists?" 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 13:47:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0300 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> Thorny wrote: > Since I'm reading this OT thread I might as well put in my $.02. > > Not sure where your neck of the woods is but I can certainly understand > that there could be regional or local names for some tools. In fact, _I'm_ not sure where that neck of the woods is! :-) A fixed width, open ended wrench was what my father called a crescent wrench - and that could be prairie Canada, northern England or British Army usage. I know my wife, from Nova Scotia where I now live, always means an adjustable wrench. > My understanding is that the name Crescent Wrench became a popular name > for an adjustable open end wrench (the generic name) presumably because > the name of the Crescent Tool Company was so prominently displayed on the > handle and most humans like to deal with simple nicknames rather than a > generic name which takes longer to say. Thanks for the history lesson. > Another example which you will probably recognise (since your > email address ends with .ca) is the "Robertson" screw which is a square > socket screw (to differentiate from hex socket screws which use an "Allen > key", hex key). Indeed. One of the great Canadian inventions. The greatest, if you consider that Insulin wasn't so much invented as discovered, and the Americans and Scots both claim to have invented the telephone (though we invented basketball and curling, so it's even). A New Jersey man bought the house next door, which has a mysterious second story door into space, and since he was renting it out he needed to secure the door so that renters wouldn't kill themselves. He showed us how his carpenter had installed "special security screws" fastening the door into the jamb. We laughed ourselves silly before telling him that those were Robertson screws, with drivers available at every local hardware store :-) -- derek From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 14:00:49 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1916399.rHOWjWQuyB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <654989.56673.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for the answer it's more then clear now, I think. I have another question. Do you know what's the debian plan with lenny as it has kde3.5.9 and sid is I think 3.5.10. Also what about the kde team are they going to solve bugs in kde3 in the future and for how long? The reason I'm asking so much is because I prefer to have the environment I know is working and smoothly move to kde4 somewhen. thanks for being patient ;-) --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:48 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > Now after we've figured out how I can keep kde3 > running, let's clear also > > the question with updated after 12 months. will hardy > go away or I'll be > > able to file bugs if any somehwere and get them fixed? > > > > This is the crucial point in all of my tribute to this > discussion. As I > > said I've installed kubuntu only because I thought > it would have LST like > > ubuntu which turned not to be true. > > Now, that's a very interesting question. Unlike edgy, > which no longer gets > security updates or is even available from the standard > urls, hardy Ubuntu > _is_ an LTS so all the non-kde apps will continue to get > security updates > and the repository will be there at least until 2013 (when > server support > expires) > > > > As I understood in 12 months hardy will be gone > forever - am I right. What > > if I find a bug then ... or if the things I find > disturbing are still not > > solved? > > If you find a bug in kde3, you'll be out of luck. If > you find a bug in > anything else, it'll still be handled. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 13:50:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:50:53 -0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > can someone tell me why the latest update requires the installation of > some new packages like bluetooth? i don't have bluetooth, don't have BT > dongle, a BT phone, or anything related to it! > mobile-broadband-provider-info, i don't even USE a mobile! > not to mention libgweather1 , BAAH! That's not the "latest" update. Hardy installed bluetooth, and iirc, so did Gutsy. It's just because kubuntu-desktop depends on everything the developers think you're likely to need. Feel free to remove them (and kubuntu-desktop with it). kubuntu-desktop will then get added back before upgrading to the _next_ release, if you use the adept updater. libgweather1 seems odd though - isn't that a gnome library? -- derek From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Oct 10 14:05:18 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:05:18 -0400 Subject: 8.10 observations & a question In-Reply-To: <48EF1D60.4080106@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48EF1D60.4080106@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810101005.18157.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Friday 10 October 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Adding, say Firefox, to the [KMenu] Favorites (and also happens when added > to the desktop and panel) results in a plain 'gear' icon that cannot be > changed. > How does one change it? Haven't a clue. This one has stymied me as well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:09:44 +0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages In-Reply-To: <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48EF6228.5040303@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> can someone tell me why the latest update requires the installation of >> some new packages like bluetooth? i don't have bluetooth, don't have BT >> dongle, a BT phone, or anything related to it! >> mobile-broadband-provider-info, i don't even USE a mobile! >> not to mention libgweather1 , BAAH! > > That's not the "latest" update. Hardy installed bluetooth, and iirc, so did > Gutsy. It's just because kubuntu-desktop depends on everything the > developers think you're likely to need. Feel free to remove them (and > kubuntu-desktop with it). kubuntu-desktop will then get added back before > upgrading to the _next_ release, if you use the adept updater. > > libgweather1 seems odd though - isn't that a gnome library? i forgot to mention, i'm using kubuntu intrepid. i don't know if these were installed in previous versions, but in the latest update of intrepid, they are now showing in aptitude as new packages! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 14:24:54 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:24:54 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810092057.23575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48EF65B6.8080300@swbell.net> On 10/10/2008 Nigel Ridley wrote: > David, -- it was a joke! An adjustable spanner is just that - > adjustable -- it's neither metric > nor imperial. > When I was an apprentice the older guys used to send us to fetch > 'left handed screwdrivers', 'a > bucket of steam', 'a skirting ladder', 'some bubbles for a spirit > level', 'sky hooks' and of > course 'an adjustable metric spanner -- not an imperial one!'. > > Just some humor :-) > > Blessings, > > Nigel Just to add a couple more to the list: Left Handed Monkey Wrench Five Gallons of Sail Boat Fuel In the Navy we used to send annoying boots in search of things like twenty feet of water line or Relative Bearing Grease. One day this REALLY annoying boot actually came back with a can of grease made by the Relative Bearing Company. Still have no idea where he came up with it but we had to give him credit for it. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Oct 10 14:36:21 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:36:21 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <48EF65B6.8080300@swbell.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EEF113.8090001@prayingforisrael.net> <48EF65B6.8080300@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810101036.22374.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Just to add a couple more to the list: > > Left Handed Monkey Wrench > Five Gallons of Sail Boat Fuel In aviation it's alway been 'prop wash' From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 14:42:07 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:42:07 -0400 Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <392665.47814.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <392665.47814.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810101042.12670.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 5:28:50 pm Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Sorry to mix up also in your discussion, but I'm using a program called > krd, which is much much better (my own opinion) than krfb or krdc. > > Unfortunately it's not avialable on kubuntu but can be downloaded from > sourceforge and compiles in about 2min on hardy > > It uses rdesktop and docks in the panel - the think I always wanted to have > ;-) > > may be give it a try Yes, I use TSClient on Ubuntu (Gnome) and this works quite well including docking. 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In fact there was one between > Brezhnev (not sure in spelling either) and Gorbachev (thanks for this > didn't know how you spell it), whos name I don't remember, and he "died" > very fast after taking the leadership, but he was a hardliner and was going > to start the nuclear war - neither "maggie" nor "ronnie" ware able to stop > him. That would be Andropov. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 14:58:01 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:58:01 -0700 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released References: <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <761604.94790.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:19:20 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > I accept your arguments and will pay more attention in future. IT was > not ment to be _that_ rude as you or someone else might understood it. > > Just to interject an opinion which appears to be counter to what you have been getting. I am an English as first language speaker. I did not interpret what you said (wrote) as rude and, in my view, certainly not any ruder than some of the things that were replied to you. If you asked me if I got the point, I would have answered in the affirmative or asked for clarification but it is easy for me to say that since I wasn't part of the discussion. I think, did you get the point, should mean, did you get the point? I believe that in newsgroups (and lists and forums) everyone should try very hard to understand what the poster is meaning by paying careful attention to the context and try very hard to keep their own preconceptions and emotions out of things. Similar to the way we ignore spelling errors or differences. I know that it is easier to write that advice than it is to follow it. Since many of us are here to help or get help with technical issues, the most productive suggestion is to leave ones ego out of ones reading and replying. The Internet is littered with online arguments that can be traced back to hurt feelings or misconceptions and nobody ever really "wins", although often the most aggressive poster drives others away. Go to a newsgroup that is frequented by trolls if examples are necessary. ...or, a developers list just previous to a vote. It's certainly true that many of the brightest troubleshooting minds are not the best at social conversation and often don't take well to disagreement and/or respond to argument curtly. There are very bright people who can't read emotion "between-the-lines" and certainly also those who see emotion which isn't there. I think it's correct that it's partly cultural. Also situational, think how differently we perceive things if we are personally angry or afraid at the moment. Just to be clear, I apologise if I sound patronising, I'm as susceptible to arguments as anyone else. I've been around a long time and none of this is new. As far as I'm concerned, if you use the English words correctly (as per the dictionary definition) we English speakers should not take you to task because we see something else in it, especially when we recognise that you are not a native English speaker. In my opinion, one needs the intention to be rude in order to be rude and it did not appear to me that you intended that, what it looked (sounded/read) like to me was frustration. It seems to me that you managed to get what you wanted out of the posts regardless of misunderstandings, and we all had the benefit of the discussion to be exposed to others ideas and opinions...that's the point that matters. From miron.florea at web.de Fri Oct 10 15:23:07 2008 From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:23:07 +0300 Subject: 8.10 observations & a question In-Reply-To: <200810101005.18157.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <48EF1D60.4080106@prayingforisrael.net> <200810101005.18157.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <48EF735B.4000000@web.de> Brendan wrote: > > On Friday 10 October 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > > Adding, say Firefox, to the [KMenu] Favorites (and also happens when > added > > > to the desktop and panel) results in a plain 'gear' icon that cannot be > > > changed. > > > How does one change it? > > Haven't a clue. This one has stymied me as well. > I would also like to find a fix. Funny that even amarok (1.4.10) gets the gear. Thunderbird, OTOH, displays the appropriate icon. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:23:42 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:23:42 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > A New Jersey man bought the house next door, which has a mysterious second > story door into space, and since he was renting it out he needed to secure > the door so that renters wouldn't kill themselves. He showed us how his > carpenter had installed "special security screws" fastening the door into > the jamb. We laughed ourselves silly before telling him that those were > Robertson screws, with drivers available at every local hardware store :-) Chuckle! Yes, I know a few people from the USA who have never seen a Robertson screw. It does make them a bit like a security screw in those instances, if one doesn't have a Robertson screwdriver or the correct size square bar stock to turn it. Jamming a slotted screwdriver, or a Phillips with a lot of force sometimes works but not always. They sure stay on a bit well for power driving though, doesn't even have to be magnetic, I love them, eh? From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:25:45 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:25:45 +0200 Subject: Password for Adept Update notifier does not work any more. Message-ID: <48EF73F9.4030002@gmail.com> Dear everybody At present, I do not manage to access the update facility of Adept. My password is not being accepted any more. Do I need to reset the password? If so, how? Thanks for your answer. Respectfully Yours, Bas. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 15:34:16 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:34:16 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my > nationality, > since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) > > Lisi One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let it bother you if you do. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:48:33 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:48:33 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810101648.34070.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my > > nationality, > > since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) > > > > Lisi > > One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to > offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let it > bother you if you do. I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. But as I got older I have learnt to respect other people's feelings more. If I can reasonably manage it, and provided of course that I am not so angry that I would be pleased if I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving offence. This does not mean that I always succeed, of course. Lisi From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 10 15:45:29 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48EF7899.1050907@sbcglobal.net> Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my >> nationality, >> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) >> >> Lisi >> > > One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to > offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let it > bother you if you do. > > Amen, Amen Billie, It takes a while for the young guys to learn to just let slide off your back. From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:48:52 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:48:52 -0400 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810101148.57378.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 09 October 2008 8:02:44 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > >> Yep... *I've* never seen one... > > > > It's called a Crescent wrench. > > Not in my neck of the woods.  A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open > wrench. I thought crescent was a brand name, like Kleenex, Coke and Spam. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think that I've resolved it, and now have a harddrive icon for my link to hardware device on the desktop. My problem may be different to Nigel R's, and yours though, as Nigel mentioned Firefox. Anyway, I'd already done mkdir /mnt/sdb1, and added a line to /etc/fstab for this data drive partition with a FAT filesystem on it, so being unable to right click on the desktop, and get the "create new" menu item, I did the same from within the Desktop folder, as "Create New/Link to Device/ Hard Disc Device", Filled out the relevant stuff, and added the harddrive icon, which showed correctly in the Desktop folder. Dragged the icon, which instantly changed to a gear, and upon releasing the mouse, it remained as a big flat gear on the desktop. Having seen Nigel's post today, I thought I'd have another go at resolving the problem. My ~/Desktop folder for some reason has Kaffeine in it as well, so I deleted the Kaffeine icon from the actual desktop, and dragged the Kaffeine icon in the Desktop folder onto the actual desktop. It dragged as a gear, but when I released the mouse the Kaffeine icon appeared. Now Kaffeine in the desktop folder is named as kaffeine.desktop, so I thought that's worth a try, and renamed sdb1 to sdb1.desktop. Dragged sdb1.desktop to the actual desktop, and wonder of wonders, the gear is gone, and I have the actual harddrive icon on the desktop. Kaffeine.desktop just shows as Kaffeine on the desktop, but my renamed sdb1 shows as sdb1.desktop, but I can live with that until I find out why just adding .desktop to the file resolves the icon problem. Don't know this is of any help to you guys. Nigel H. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Fri Oct 10 16:22:09 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:22:09 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EF7899.1050907@sbcglobal.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> <48EF7899.1050907@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810101222.09283.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Friday 10 October 2008, Jim wrote: > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my > >> nationality, > >> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) > >> > >> Lisi > > > > One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to > > offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let it > > bother you if you do. > > Amen, Amen Billie, It takes a while for the young guys to learn to just > let slide off your back. 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URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 16:30:12 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:30:12 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810100944.45462.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810091411.13428.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810100944.45462.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EF8314.1060002@swbell.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 4:08:52 pm Knapp wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Art Alexion wrote: >> > > >>> To bring this conversation full circle back to the original topic, >>> >>> KDE3 is to XP as KDE4 is to Vista. >>> >>> I hope that doesn't remain true, but if it does, I shall skip KDE4 just >>> as businesses are skipping Vista. >>> >>> Put another way KDE3 is superior to Gnome, but Gnome is superior to KDE4. >>> Well, at least today, Fluxbox is superior to KDE4. >>> >>> I can't wait for KDE5! >>> >> I don't even want to get into this war but, is it far to say that >> about 8.10 kde4 when it has not yet been released in a stable form? >> Or, are you basing this on KDE4 from 8.04? I maybe be being naive but >> I am still hoping that 8.10 kde 4 gets it together and gives us >> something to be proud about. My hopes are not high and I think it was >> likely a real bone head move by the Devs but MAYBE. >> > > I am basing this on 8.04 KDE4 running as a whole, but a lot of stuff not > working and apps crashing when I try them. I am also basing it on a fresh > install of Intrepid that is unusable on a Dell Optiplex 740 with an AMD 64 > 6000 and two GB RAM, and ATI graphics. What should be the center of the > screen is centered on the upper left corner of the monitor, the mouse is > active, but invisible. The only way I can use it is that screen > elements "light up" when the mouse hovers over them. It is pointless to test > apps in this state. > > Gutsy was quite stable and usable by the end of July 2007, and based on that > positive experience I upgraded it to Hardy in late Feb 2008 without problems. > > Seems to me there are a lot of big problems to fix in 21 days. > > I confess that because of crashes and non-working features, I haven't fully > tested KDE4, but I do check it out on 8.04 every couple of weeks, and what I > mostly see as improvements over KDE3 is eye candy and not productivity or > performance enhancements. > > I really like KDE and Kubuntu, and really hope that I am proved wrong. I > don't remember the transition from KDE2 to KDE3 being this rough, but I was > using Red Hat at that time, and they were notorious for poorly supporting > KDE. > OK, this is probably a really stupid question but could some of your problems be hardware, or conflict, related? My reason for asking As I've said before, I'm not a power user. But. I did a clean install of 8.10-64b the first of the week. My computer has been running continuously ever since without any problems. Everything on the computer, at least that I know of, has been working as advertised [ intel dual core, 1.5gig ram, intel video ]. All the apps I have tried so far have worked well and behaved themselves. Other than some of the "new" stuff that I'm not to fond of it seems to be quite a good OS. [ If I REALLY wanted eye candy I would go to Vista - It's better for eye candy. Ain't worth a damn for anything else but it IS pretty. ] From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 16:41:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:41:18 -0500 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48EF85AE.3000503@swbell.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Thorny wrote: > > >> Since I'm reading this OT thread I might as well put in my $.02. >> >> Not sure where your neck of the woods is but I can certainly understand >> that there could be regional or local names for some tools. >> > > In fact, _I'm_ not sure where that neck of the woods is! :-) A fixed width, > open ended wrench was what my father called a crescent wrench - and that > could be prairie Canada, northern England or British Army usage. I know my > wife, from Nova Scotia where I now live, always means an adjustable wrench. > > >> My understanding is that the name Crescent Wrench became a popular name >> for an adjustable open end wrench (the generic name) presumably because >> the name of the Crescent Tool Company was so prominently displayed on the >> handle and most humans like to deal with simple nicknames rather than a >> generic name which takes longer to say. >> > > Thanks for the history lesson. > > >> Another example which you will probably recognise (since your >> email address ends with .ca) is the "Robertson" screw which is a square >> socket screw (to differentiate from hex socket screws which use an "Allen >> key", hex key). >> > > Indeed. One of the great Canadian inventions. The greatest, if you > consider that Insulin wasn't so much invented as discovered, and the > Americans and Scots both claim to have invented the telephone (though we > invented basketball and curling, so it's even). > > A New Jersey man bought the house next door, which has a mysterious second > story door into space, and since he was renting it out he needed to secure > the door so that renters wouldn't kill themselves. He showed us how his > carpenter had installed "special security screws" fastening the door into > the jamb. We laughed ourselves silly before telling him that those were > Robertson screws, with drivers available at every local hardware store :-) > Did you ever have a "phillips" screwdriver that wasn't any good at installing or removing phillips head screws? You know, stripped out the head all the time. Take a close look at the very tip of the screwdriver. Does it come to a sharp point or is it blunted? If it's pointy it's actually a Reed and Prince screw driver. Phillips requires a blunted tip to fit into the bottom of the screw head. The vast majority of screwdriver manufacturers make the point to pointy to work properly. Simply grind down the tip a bit and it will work MUCH better. Reed and Prince requires a sharp point to seat properly into the head of the screw. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 10 16:40:48 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:40:48 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810101222.09283.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> <48EF7899.1050907@sbcglobal.net> <200810101222.09283.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <48EF8590.3050009@sbcglobal.net> Brendan wrote: > > On Friday 10 October 2008, Jim wrote: > > > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > > > On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > >> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my > > > >> nationality, > > > >> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) > > > >> > > > >> Lisi > > > > > > > > One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to > > > > offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to > let it > > > > bother you if you do. > > > > > > Amen, Amen Billie, It takes a while for the young guys to learn to just > > > let slide off your back. > > And many older people turn into real jerks, and don't respect anyone's > feelings but their own. > People who get their feeling hurt easy, are people that are insecure about themselves. If you are confident about who you are, you ignore those people, and just get on with life. I know that, because I have been there and done that. Don't take this statement to heart, just consider this as constructive criticism. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 17:03:00 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:03:00 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810101648.34070.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48EF75F8.8050307@swbell.net> <200810101648.34070.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EF8AC4.8030106@swbell.net> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >>> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my >>> nationality, >>> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) >>> >>> Lisi >>> >> One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to >> offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let it >> bother you if you do. >> > > I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. But as I got older I have > learnt to respect other people's feelings more. If I can reasonably manage > it, and provided of course that I am not so angry that I would be pleased if > I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving offence. This does not mean that I > always succeed, of course. > > Lisi > > You aren't old enough yet. *<]:oD From manuel at mclure.org Fri Oct 10 17:10:07 2008 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:10:07 -0700 Subject: My take on 8.10 and KDE 4 Message-ID: <5b2fd9c60810101010o37b913f6ud93f956830178897@mail.gmail.com> First things first. I like KDE 4 and have been using it since 4.1.0 . About a month ago I pretty much uninstalled all remains of 3.5 except for a couple programs that didn't have 4.x ports yet. That said, I don't think it's a good idea for Kubuntu Intrepid to switch exclusively to KDE 4. Part of it is having worked in customer support for 13 years, and understanding just how important stability (in the sense of "doesn't change behavior" as opposed to "doesn't crash") is. When something works for people, they don't want it to change. They don't want to learn new ways to do their tasks. They just want to get work done. And until KDE4 can do everything KDE3 does, there will be huge resistance to its adoption amongst all but the bleeding edgers. I'm a bleeding edger, and I like KDE4, but I would posit that the majority of the Kubuntu user community is not. I use KDE 4 with the complete understanding that it's still a work in progress. It's getting better by leaps and bounds (4.1 was a huge leap in usability over 4.0) but it's just not there yet. I think it will be at least 4.2 before KDE 4 is at the point 3.5 was at in terms of stability and functionality. Hopefully KDE4 will improve a lot between Intrepid Beta and Intrepid Final, but even so it's an uphill battle. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 10 17:13:26 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:13:26 -0500 Subject: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810101148.57378.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810101148.57378.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EF8D36.5050303@swbell.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008 8:02:44 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > >> David McGlone wrote: >> > > >>>> Yep... *I've* never seen one... >>>> >>> It's called a Crescent wrench. >>> >> Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open >> wrench. >> > > I thought crescent was a brand name, like Kleenex, Coke and Spam. > > It is. As someone else stated often in different parts of the world generic things take on the name. In the south of the USofA all soft drinks are coke's. [ "Want a coke? Answer, "Yes" "What kind?" is a reasonable conversation. ] One area of Louisiana all vacuum cleaners are referred to as "Hoovers". "Crescent Wrench" is used for any of the type of adjustable wrench originated by Crescent Tool Company. "Kleenex" can mean any of a type of tissue originated by Kimberly Clarke. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 17:34:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:34:01 -0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EF6228.5040303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3343920.ud4IJTiood@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >>> can someone tell me why the latest update requires the installation of >>> some new packages like bluetooth? i don't have bluetooth, don't have BT >>> dongle, a BT phone, or anything related to it! >>> mobile-broadband-provider-info, i don't even USE a mobile! >>> not to mention libgweather1 , BAAH! >> >> That's not the "latest" update. Hardy installed bluetooth, and iirc, so >> did >> Gutsy. It's just because kubuntu-desktop depends on everything the >> developers think you're likely to need. Feel free to remove them (and >> kubuntu-desktop with it). kubuntu-desktop will then get added back >> before upgrading to the _next_ release, if you use the adept updater. >> >> libgweather1 seems odd though - isn't that a gnome library? Yes, it is. It _really_ shouldn't be part of a Kubuntu install, but it's possible you have some gnome component that is now requiring it. > > i forgot to mention, i'm using kubuntu intrepid. > i don't know if these were installed in previous versions, but in the > latest update of intrepid, they are now showing in aptitude as new > packages! Sure, because if you upgraded through the adept updater, it added kubuntu-desktop back in, and that forced it to load Bluetooth, etc. You can just remove them, but if you use the approved upgrade path, they'll come back again next upgrade. -- derek From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Oct 10 17:50:00 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <200810100842.19416.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <761604.94790.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810101350.00565.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 10 October 2008 10:58:01 am Thorny wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:19:20 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > I accept your arguments and will pay more attention in future. IT was > > not ment to be _that_ rude as you or someone else might understood it. > > Just to interject an opinion which appears to be counter to what you have > been getting. > > I am an English as first language speaker. I did not interpret what you > said (wrote) as rude and, in my view, certainly not any ruder than some of > the things that were replied to you. If you asked me if I got the point, I > would have answered in the affirmative or asked for clarification but it > is easy for me to say that since I wasn't part of the discussion. I think, > did you get the point, should mean, did you get the point? > > I believe that in newsgroups (and lists and forums) everyone should try > very hard to understand what the poster is meaning by paying careful > attention to the context and try very hard to keep their own > preconceptions and emotions out of things. Similar to the way we ignore > spelling errors or differences. I know that it is easier to write that > advice than it is to follow it. Since many of us are here to help or get > help with technical issues, the most productive suggestion is to leave > ones ego out of ones reading and replying. The Internet is littered with > online arguments that can be traced back to hurt feelings or > misconceptions and nobody ever really "wins", although often the most > aggressive poster drives others away. Go to a newsgroup that is frequented > by trolls if examples are necessary. ...or, a developers list just > previous to a vote. > > It's certainly true that many of the brightest troubleshooting minds are > not the best at social conversation and often don't take well to > disagreement and/or respond to argument curtly. There are very bright > people who can't read emotion "between-the-lines" and certainly also those > who see emotion which isn't there. I think it's correct that it's partly > cultural. Also situational, think how differently we perceive things if we > are personally angry or afraid at the moment. > > Just to be clear, I apologise if I sound patronising, I'm as susceptible > to arguments as anyone else. I've been around a long time and none of this > is new. As far as I'm concerned, if you use the English words correctly > (as per the dictionary definition) we English speakers should not take you > to task because we see something else in it, especially when we recognise > that you are not a native English speaker. In my opinion, one needs the > intention to be rude in order to be rude and it did not appear to me that > you intended that, what it looked (sounded/read) like to me was > frustration. > > It seems to me that you managed to get what you wanted out of the posts > regardless of misunderstandings, and we all had the benefit of the > discussion to be exposed to others ideas and opinions...that's the point > that matters. I agree. I also want to add that sometimes it is very hard to identify how a person is trying to explain things in an E-Mail, because we cannot observe the posters actions, tone of voice, appearance and so on. I also believe it depends on the individual, some think the way something is said is rude whereareas, others don't. I personally slightly think "did you get the point?" is rude in some situations because it suggests your listener is dumb. I prefer to ask the question "did I explain that good?" or something like "did that help?". So in the event they didn't understand what I was trying to explain I'll take the blame for not explaining it to the best of my abilities rather than suggest they are dumb or stupid. David M. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 10 17:38:00 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:38:00 -0300 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> Thorny wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> A New Jersey man bought the house next door, which has a mysterious >> second story door into space, and since he was renting it out he needed >> to secure >> the door so that renters wouldn't kill themselves. He showed us how his >> carpenter had installed "special security screws" fastening the door into >> the jamb. We laughed ourselves silly before telling him that those were >> Robertson screws, with drivers available at every local hardware store >> :-) > > Chuckle! Yes, I know a few people from the USA who have never seen a > Robertson screw. It does make them a bit like a security screw in those > instances, if one doesn't have a Robertson screwdriver or the correct size > square bar stock to turn it. Jamming a slotted screwdriver, or a Phillips > with a lot of force sometimes works but not always. They sure stay on a > bit well for power driving though, doesn't even have to be magnetic, I > love them, eh? Yes - but I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull back the power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 17:59:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:59:39 +0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages In-Reply-To: <3343920.ud4IJTiood@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EF6228.5040303@gmail.com> <3343920.ud4IJTiood@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810101059y333b348cs85985c041baf5a33@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/10 Derek Broughton : > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Willy K. Hamra wrote: >>> >>>> can someone tell me why the latest update requires the installation of >>>> some new packages like bluetooth? i don't have bluetooth, don't have BT >>>> dongle, a BT phone, or anything related to it! >>>> mobile-broadband-provider-info, i don't even USE a mobile! >>>> not to mention libgweather1 , BAAH! >>> >>> That's not the "latest" update. Hardy installed bluetooth, and iirc, so >>> did >>> Gutsy. It's just because kubuntu-desktop depends on everything the >>> developers think you're likely to need. Feel free to remove them (and >>> kubuntu-desktop with it). kubuntu-desktop will then get added back >>> before upgrading to the _next_ release, if you use the adept updater. >>> >>> libgweather1 seems odd though - isn't that a gnome library? > > Yes, it is. It _really_ shouldn't be part of a Kubuntu install, but it's > possible you have some gnome component that is now requiring it. >> >> i forgot to mention, i'm using kubuntu intrepid. >> i don't know if these were installed in previous versions, but in the >> latest update of intrepid, they are now showing in aptitude as new >> packages! > > Sure, because if you upgraded through the adept updater, it added > kubuntu-desktop back in, and that forced it to load Bluetooth, etc. You > can just remove them, but if you use the approved upgrade path, they'll > come back again next upgrade. But kubuntu-desktop has been installed ever since i did the fresh install of intrepid about a month ago. i always had kubuntu-desktop, and i'm sure these new packages weren't installed, or had any similar package installed so they can replace it. they are new dependencies. as for GNOME, i don't have it, but i do have some GNOME packages installed, i think i should check and see what packages require all these weather packages. libgweather1 is only one of the new packages, there is a few dozen new similar packages to be installed. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From joelol75 at verizon.net Fri Oct 10 18:00:31 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:00:31 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera In-Reply-To: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> References: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EF983F.9060506@verizon.net> Douglas Murray wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone have a Eee 900 PC and able to use the built-in camera with > Ubuntu? I recently installed Ubuntu and am quite happy with it, but > he only thing that I haven t had success with was the built in > camera. There seems to be no applications that were installed that > make use of it. > > Any working suggestions / ideas on this would be appreciated. > > Thank you in advance, > > Doug! > > -- > Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next > week!" Kopete and Cheese are two programs that use the webcam. Or is it that it's not working at all? Joel. From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 18:15:52 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:15:52 -0400 Subject: Amarok and Ipods In-Reply-To: <200810092313.22196.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> References: <200810092313.22196.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200810101416.01903.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Friday 10 October 2008 12:13:22 am Kevin Jones wrote: > I am running kde 3.5.10 oh HH. > I have configured amarok to recognize my ipod.  I am able to 'enqueue" some > traacks to the lower right hand  pane. > When I try to transfer by  clicking on the transfer tab at the top I find > that is   greyed out.(disconnect to the left of it is also greyed out, but > connect is active.) You are either not connecting or connecting and disconnecting. Mounting the iPod is not enough. You have to also connect to it in Amarok. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could it be that this bug is Kubuntu specific? I can't find a report in bugs.kde.org Greets Myriam PS. Using Intrepid 8.10 and KDE 4.2(compile from SVN trunk) updated 2 days ago > P.S. I really haven't taken the time to understand all this plasma stuff etc. and what does the > 'Dashboard' actually do - or meant to do? It all seems rather complicated. PPS. You might get a clue if you check the video made by Aaron Seigo and Sebastian Kügler for that: http://plasma.kde.org/media/plasma_4.2_overview_sm.avi Check this PDF too: http://plasma.kde.org/media/plasma-slides.pdf -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 18:31:28 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:31:28 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EF8314.1060002@swbell.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810100944.45462.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48EF8314.1060002@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810101431.35791.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Friday 10 October 2008 12:30:12 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > I confess that because of crashes and non-working features, I haven't > > fully tested KDE4, but I do check it out on 8.04 every couple of weeks, > > and what I mostly see as improvements over KDE3 is eye candy and not > > productivity or performance enhancements. > > > > I really like KDE and Kubuntu, and really hope that I am proved wrong.  I > > don't remember the transition from KDE2 to KDE3 being this rough, but I > > was using Red Hat at that time, and they were notorious for poorly > > supporting KDE. > >   > > OK, this is probably a really stupid question but could some of your > problems be hardware, or conflict, related? Most likely, but what I have isn't exotic. > > My reason for asking > > As I've said before, I'm not a power user. But. I did a clean install of > 8.10-64b This is a clean install of the 32 bit system. > the first of the week. My computer has been running > continuously ever since without any problems. Everything on the > computer, at least that I know of, has been working as advertised [ > intel dual core, 1.5gig ram, intel video ] And the fact that I have ATI video and a widescreen LCD is probably part of the difference. None the less, this setup has worked with SLED 10.2, WinXP, Ununtu 8.04.1, aand Kubuntu 8.04. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 18:34:35 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:34:35 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera In-Reply-To: <48EF983F.9060506@verizon.net> References: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> <48EF983F.9060506@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810101434.35557.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Friday 10 October 2008 2:00:31 pm Joel Oliver wrote: > Douglas Murray wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone have a Eee 900 PC and able to use the built-in camera with > > Ubuntu?  I recently installed Ubuntu and am quite happy with it, but > > he only thing that I haven t had success with was the built in > > camera.  There seems to be no applications that were installed that > > make use of it. > > > > Any working suggestions / ideas on this would be appreciated. > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > Doug! > > > > -- > > Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next > > week!" > > Kopete and Cheese are two programs that use the webcam.  Or is it that > it's not working at all? I have the same issue, Joel. It is the latter. Everything else works well. One thing that I had problems with was automounting USB media. The solution was that mount had to be SUID, a default in Kununtu, but not so with Ubuntu eee. Now that I have made that change only the camera is not working. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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URL: From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 10 18:56:09 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:56:09 +0200 Subject: 8.10 observations & a question In-Reply-To: References: <48EF1D60.4080106@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48EFA549.9080405@prayingforisrael.net> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Nigel, > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Nigel Ridley > wrote: >> After installing 8.10 on my boy's box I must admit that I am beginning to like it and am seeing >> some improvements day by day with the updates. >> >> However there is one annoying thing (which I'm sure they must fix soon): >> Adding, say Firefox, to the [KMenu] Favorites (and also happens when added to the desktop and >> panel) results in a plain 'gear' icon that cannot be changed. >> How does one change it? > > Same behavior here, but this seems to be solved in 4.2 (compiled from > SVN). Could it be that this bug is Kubuntu specific? I can't find a > report in bugs.kde.org > > Greets > > Myriam > > PS. Using Intrepid 8.10 and KDE 4.2(compile from SVN trunk) updated 2 days ago > >> P.S. I really haven't taken the time to understand all this plasma stuff etc. and what does the >> 'Dashboard' actually do - or meant to do? It all seems rather complicated. > > PPS. You might get a clue if you check the video made by Aaron Seigo > and Sebastian Kügler for that: > http://plasma.kde.org/media/plasma_4.2_overview_sm.avi > Check this PDF too: http://plasma.kde.org/media/plasma-slides.pdf > > Thanks Myriam - that was an interesting and informative view. Blessings, Nigel -- From joelol75 at verizon.net Fri Oct 10 19:19:16 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:19:16 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera In-Reply-To: <200810101434.35557.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> <48EF983F.9060506@verizon.net> <200810101434.35557.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EFAAB4.4040201@verizon.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008 2:00:31 pm Joel Oliver wrote: > >> Douglas Murray wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Does anyone have a Eee 900 PC and able to use the built-in camera with >>> Ubuntu? I recently installed Ubuntu and am quite happy with it, but >>> he only thing that I haven t had success with was the built in >>> camera. There seems to be no applications that were installed that >>> make use of it. >>> >>> Any working suggestions / ideas on this would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> >>> Doug! >>> >>> -- >>> Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next >>> week!" >>> >> Kopete and Cheese are two programs that use the webcam. Or is it that >> it's not working at all? >> > > I have the same issue, Joel. It is the latter. Everything else works well. > One thing that I had problems with was automounting USB media. The solution > was that mount had to be SUID, a default in Kununtu, but not so with Ubuntu > eee. Now that I have made that change only the camera is not working. > > I see others have the same problem on the ee. From what I understand, the driver is named ucvideo.ko The only options are to compile the driver and modprobe it (I don't know where to go about getting it) It may be fixed in newer kernels as well (No guarantee there! But I here the wifi is finally fixed in 2.6.27. That's the Atheros AR5007 chipset which can be downloaded and compiled now, but only works with x86 arch doing this. My buddies HP laptop has the AR5007EG chipset and didn't work out of the box either and is stuck with the x86 version although I really wanted to use the 64 bit on the install. Maybe lspci or lsusb will name the camera model and you can search for ee pc and comeup with the source.... Otherwise... Maybe ripping it out of the original software somehow? I don't think that'll work... Sorry. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 10 20:44:50 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:44:50 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera In-Reply-To: <48EFAAB4.4040201@verizon.net> References: <613eb9d20810080057g4156d01fu8b660fb6390d9874@mail.gmail.com> <48EF983F.9060506@verizon.net> <200810101434.35557.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48EFAAB4.4040201@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48EFBEC2.4050305@sbcglobal.net> Joel Oliver wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Friday 10 October 2008 2:00:31 pm Joel Oliver wrote: >> >> >>> Douglas Murray wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a Eee 900 PC and able to use the built-in camera with >>>> Ubuntu? I recently installed Ubuntu and am quite happy with it, but >>>> he only thing that I haven t had success with was the built in >>>> camera. There seems to be no applications that were installed that >>>> make use of it. >>>> >>>> Any working suggestions / ideas on this would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance, >>>> >>>> Doug! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next >>>> week!" >>>> >>>> >>> Kopete and Cheese are two programs that use the webcam. Or is it that >>> it's not working at all? >>> >>> >> I have the same issue, Joel. It is the latter. Everything else works well. >> One thing that I had problems with was automounting USB media. The solution >> was that mount had to be SUID, a default in Kununtu, but not so with Ubuntu >> eee. Now that I have made that change only the camera is not working. >> >> >> > I see others have the same problem on the ee. From what I understand, > the driver is named ucvideo.ko > > The only options are to compile the driver and modprobe it (I don't know > where to go about getting it) > > It may be fixed in newer kernels as well (No guarantee there! But I > here the wifi is finally fixed in 2.6.27. That's the Atheros AR5007 > chipset which can be downloaded and compiled now, but only works with > x86 arch doing this. My buddies HP laptop has the AR5007EG chipset and > didn't work out of the box either and is stuck with the x86 version > although I really wanted to use the 64 bit on the install. > > > Maybe lspci or lsusb will name the camera model and you can search for > ee pc and comeup with the source.... Otherwise... Maybe ripping it out > of the original software somehow? I don't think that'll work... > > Sorry. > > The kernel-2.6.27 fixed my eeepc702 webcam and Atheros Wifi Ar5007EG. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sat Oct 11 00:58:09 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:58:09 +1000 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc Message-ID: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Anyone found a server that the Kontact Calendar (4.1.0) works with? I've been evaluating various servers - IMAP, Citadel, egroupware and its just unusuable. Todo's don't save or are corrupted, notifications just don't happen. Its not even vaguely alpha quality software. I had a go at installing kolab from the ubuntu repo but the ldap component failed and from the forums I saw how many people failed to get past that and decided not to waste my time with it. I can't understand why its so bad - this has been a supposed major part of KDE groupware solution for years and it just doesn't work - am I missing something? The local file storage seems ok but that's not an option - I need centralised calendars & todo's that I can access from multiple desktops, pererably with a web interface as well. I know there's other solutions (webcalendar etc) but I really wanted it to work with Kontact, -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 11 01:19:02 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:19:02 -0500 Subject: Servers 101 Message-ID: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> My better half just turned to me and asked if I thought we had a computer suitable for running as a server on our home network. With all the stuff we have around here I'm pretty sure we do but we know absolutely nothing about servers. It would have to be able to work on a mixed network [ Linux and Windows ]. Can someone point me to someplace that has "Servers For Dummies 101"? I don't know if we will actually get something going but a little learning is never a bad thing. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 11 01:43:08 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:43:08 -0400 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > My better half just turned to me and asked if I thought we had a > computer suitable for running as a server on our home network. With all > the stuff we have around here I'm pretty sure we do but we know > absolutely nothing about servers. It would have to be able to work on a > mixed network [ Linux and Windows ]. > > Can someone point me to someplace that has "Servers For Dummies 101"? I think first you need to decide why you want a server... i.e. what do you want it to do? I use a server as a firewall and an email fetcher (other machines POP their mail from it) on a mixed network. There's no real magic to a server for simple stuff... it's just normal linux. (mail, networking, firewall, etc) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 02:52:42 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:42 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810102252.42960.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 10 October 2008, Thorny wrote: >On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:02:44 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> David McGlone wrote: >>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:13:35 am Art Alexion wrote: >>>> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:01:20 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>> > You know how hard it is to find an adjustable metric wrench in the >>>> > USA.......! >>>> >>>> Yep... *I've* never seen one... >>> >>> It's called a Crescent wrench. >> >> Not in my neck of the woods. A crescent wrench is a _fixed_ size open >> wrench. My $0.02 (adjust for inflation) "Crescent" does indeed make fixed sized wrenches and has for 70 years or more, but a 'crescent wrench' has always referred to the adjustable wrench they have made for even longer. >Since I'm reading this OT thread I might as well put in my $.02. > >Not sure where your neck of the woods is but I can certainly understand >that there could be regional or local names for some tools. I've even been >in workplaces where there were localised, internal, names used for >specific tools. Sometimes they were names that I won't include in a post >and really had nothing to do with the tool or its use other than perhaps >the way the tool looked physically. > >My understanding is that the name Crescent Wrench became a popular name >for an adjustable open end wrench (the generic name) presumably because >the name of the Crescent Tool Company was so prominently displayed on the >handle and most humans like to deal with simple nicknames rather than a >generic name which takes longer to say. This is correct. >I think it possible and likely that the Crescent Tool Company was the >first to produce an adjustable open end wrench. When I was in high school >shop class we were forced to use generic names for tools, thus a >"Phillips" screwdriver had to be referred to as a crosspoint or crosshead >screwdriver. And that miss guided generalization can lead to all sorts of problems. A cross point cavity in a screw head can be made in at least 2 patterns that I know of, and the two are most assuredly incompatible with each other even in similar sizes. So please refer to the screwdriver both by the pattern used (Phillips/Reed&Prince or whatever name your vendor is using cuz he's too cheap to pay the Phillips royalty), and its size since there are Phillips screwdrivers sized from .5 to #5, although most folks have never seen one bigger than a #4 (and you normally drive that bit with at least a 3/8" square drive ratchet handle, the #5 usually has either a 1/2" drive, or a 3/4" drive socket on the rear of it). The Reed and Prince cross-point pattern has been a PIMA for 60+ years. For starters, that is the actual pattern on most el-cheapo cross-point screwdrivers, and when you stick it into a Phillips patterned screw, it doesn't fit well because its extended tip prevents full depth insertion, and then proceeds to tear up the screw and the screwdriver. Conversely, the only way you'll get a Reed and Prince screw to take a Phillips bit is to set it into the screw with a _good_ hammer blow. Most won't, so again you wind up fubaring the screw. That can often be repaired with the hammer to set the bit into the screw correctly. All this is assuming you are using the correct size in the first place. If you aren't, well... So please go back to that teacher and explain the real world facts of life to him, he is doing his students a huge miss-service by refusing to use the names correctly. Take a 30" 2x2 or a Louisville Slugger along just in case you need a educational persuader. >Another example which you will probably recognise (since your >email address ends with .ca) is the "Robertson" screw which is a square >socket screw (to differentiate from hex socket screws which use an "Allen >key", hex key). I'm guessing most names derived from the inventor's >surname. Similar in the world of over-the-counter drugs is the common name >"Aspirin" which is a copyrighted name for a product of the Bayer Company. >(I think they were the first to produce ASA). -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Zero Defects, n.: The result of shutting down a production line. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 11 02:57:58 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:57:58 -0500 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> My better half just turned to me and asked if I thought we had a >> computer suitable for running as a server on our home network. With all >> the stuff we have around here I'm pretty sure we do but we know >> absolutely nothing about servers. It would have to be able to work on a >> mixed network [ Linux and Windows ]. >> >> Can someone point me to someplace that has "Servers For Dummies 101"? >> > > I think first you need to decide why you want a server... i.e. what do you > want it to do? > > I use a server as a firewall and an email fetcher (other machines POP their > mail from it) on a mixed network. There's no real magic to a server for > simple stuff... it's just normal linux. (mail, networking, firewall, etc) > > Well, I'm not so sure "we" have a reason for one up front. Share and store files, in house mail possibly, Uhm, internet to everything else. Not sure what it's all capable of. We probably don't need one in the first place but you never know. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 03:01:23 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:01:23 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810102301.23963.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 10 October 2008, Thorny wrote: >On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> A New Jersey man bought the house next door, which has a mysterious second >> story door into space, and since he was renting it out he needed to secure >> the door so that renters wouldn't kill themselves. He showed us how his >> carpenter had installed "special security screws" fastening the door into >> the jamb. We laughed ourselves silly before telling him that those were >> Robertson screws, with drivers available at every local hardware store :-) > >Chuckle! Yes, I know a few people from the USA who have never seen a >Robertson screw. It does make them a bit like a security screw in those >instances, if one doesn't have a Robertson screwdriver or the correct size >square bar stock to turn it. Jamming a slotted screwdriver, or a Phillips >with a lot of force sometimes works but not always. They sure stay on a >bit well for power driving though, doesn't even have to be magnetic, I >love them, eh? I have at least 3 sizes of 'square drive' bits, and several vendors are now selling construction screws in that pattern for various purposes, locally Kreg and McFeeley, but this is the first time I've actually heard them called "Robertson" screws. Having used quite a few of both recently, I believe I like the star drive, aka 'Torx' the best. Thanks, I have a new trivia fact now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Boy, that crayon sure did hurt! From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 11 03:06:11 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:06:11 -0500 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810102252.42960.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810102252.42960.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48F01823.2040807@swbell.net> On 10/10/2008 Gene Heskett wrote: > Take a 30" 2x2 or a Louisville Slugger along just in case > you need a educational persuader. Nothing quite like the sound of a nice piece of ash hitting someone up the side of the head. *<]:oD -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 03:07:40 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:07:40 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EF8AC4.8030106@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810101648.34070.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48EF8AC4.8030106@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810102307.40851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >>> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: >>>> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my >>>> nationality, >>>> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) >>>> >>>> Lisi >>> >>> One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to >>> offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let it >>> bother you if you do. >> >> I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. But as I got older I have >> learnt to respect other people's feelings more. If I can reasonably >> manage it, and provided of course that I am not so angry that I would be >> pleased if I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving offence. This does >> not mean that I always succeed, of course. >> >> Lisi > >You aren't old enough yet. *<]:oD You beat me to it Billie. Lisi needs to have a little more confidence when she knows she is right. I would guess Lisi at 1/3rd my age, and no, I'm not bucking for a quarter, I'm just that old. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead. -- Egyptian Book of the Dead From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 03:10:19 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:10:19 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810102310.19612.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 10 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >Thorny wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> A New Jersey man bought the house next door, which has a mysterious >>> second story door into space, and since he was renting it out he needed >>> to secure >>> the door so that renters wouldn't kill themselves. He showed us how his >>> carpenter had installed "special security screws" fastening the door into >>> the jamb. We laughed ourselves silly before telling him that those were >>> Robertson screws, with drivers available at every local hardware store >>> >>> :-) >> >> Chuckle! Yes, I know a few people from the USA who have never seen a >> Robertson screw. It does make them a bit like a security screw in those >> instances, if one doesn't have a Robertson screwdriver or the correct size >> square bar stock to turn it. Jamming a slotted screwdriver, or a Phillips >> with a lot of force sometimes works but not always. They sure stay on a >> bit well for power driving though, doesn't even have to be magnetic, I >> love them, eh? > >Yes - but I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull >back the power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to >disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. Chuckle. Sounds like you need to set your lawn mower a little lower, or use it more often. :) Like you, I've dropped many a bit, but I usually can find it too. >-- >derek -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Patches benefit all mankind. Products benefit the vendor. - Richard Gooch on linux-kernel From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 03:17:59 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:17:59 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <48F01823.2040807@swbell.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810102252.42960.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <48F01823.2040807@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810102317.59074.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >On 10/10/2008 Gene Heskett wrote: >> Take a 30" 2x2 or a Louisville Slugger along just in case >> you need a educational persuader. > >Nothing quite like the sound of a nice piece of ash hitting someone up >the side of the head. *<]:oD > Chuckle, depending on how much verve you put into the swing. Too much and it does give a nice 'bonk' anymore. As for the ash, I've not used it for that, but it does, once properly dried, make rather nice furniture/cabinet framing. Very sturdy. >-- >Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore... From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 03:46:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:46:55 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <200810102317.59074.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48F01823.2040807@swbell.net> <200810102317.59074.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810102346.55292.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 10 October 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >>On 10/10/2008 Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Take a 30" 2x2 or a Louisville Slugger along just in case >>> you need a educational persuader. >> >>Nothing quite like the sound of a nice piece of ash hitting someone up >>the side of the head. *<]:oD > >Chuckle, depending on how much verve you put into the swing. Too much and > it does give a nice 'bonk' anymore. ^^^^/doesn't, damn typu's... >As for the ash, I've not used it for that, but it does, once properly dried, >make rather nice furniture/cabinet framing. Very sturdy. > >>-- >>Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I'm having BEAUTIFUL THOUGHTS about the INSIPID WIVES of smug and wealthy CORPORATE LAWYERS ... From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 11 05:06:32 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:06:32 -0700 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48F03458.1030500@dmiyu.org> Billie Walsh wrote: > Well, I'm not so sure "we" have a reason for one up front. Share and > store files, in house mail possibly, Uhm, internet to everything else. > Not sure what it's all capable of. On my home network I have a Debian box that provides file sharing, NAT/Firewall for the rest of the network, a shared squid web cache with adzapper. I used to have mail/web on that machine as well but since moved it to a VM host because having it in my house on my DSL was neat it was just too much of a hassle because of pigheaded policies from the broadband providers with no real alternatives. All of that has run happily on a PIII 667Mhz machine with ~700Mb of RAM. Most of which is unused. > We probably don't need one in the first place but you never know. Well, who says it needs to be needed? Really, most things on computers aren't really needed. Sure you could do without or do it differently but if you learn from it and if it makes things easier to maintain or upgrade later, that is reason enough, even if none of it is needed. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lisi From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 08:06:36 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera In-Reply-To: <48EFBEC2.4050305@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <965560.12986.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jim wrote: > From: Jim > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.04 - eee 900pc - Using the Camera > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > > > The only options are to compile the driver and > modprobe it (I don't know > > where to go about getting it) you may join the uvcvideo mail list and ask there for a solution (patch) for the current stable kernel, I would suggest linux-uvc-devel-request at lists.berlios.de regards From noguchi150 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 08:13:17 2008 From: noguchi150 at gmail.com (Noguchi150) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:13:17 +0200 Subject: Panasonic Fx-01 Message-ID: <200810111013.17936.noguchi150@gmail.com> I tried to import photos from my father's camera with picasa and with digiKam but both recognized the camera as another model and then freezed. I discovered that this camera is not supported by gphoto2 library that every linux program seems to use. In the gphoto page they suggest to write the driver (!!) or, if the cam can use the pict bridge sistem, try with it. Then i installed gphoto2, selected the pictbridge mode on the camera and gphoto sees the files on the camera but doesn't import them!! What should i do? Thank you in advance From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 08:33:58 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810101350.00565.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <574809.41342.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, thanks for discussing all of this --- On Fri, 10/10/08, David McGlone wrote: > From: David McGlone > Subject: Re: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:50 PM > On Friday 10 October 2008 10:58:01 am Thorny wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:19:20 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev > wrote: > > > I accept your arguments and will pay more > attention in future. IT was > > > not ment to be _that_ rude as you or someone else > might understood it. > > > > Just to interject an opinion which appears to be > counter to what you have > > been getting. > > > > I am an English as first language speaker. I did not > interpret what you > > said (wrote) as rude and, in my view, certainly not > any ruder than some of > > the things that were replied to you. If you asked me > if I got the point, I > > would have answered in the affirmative or asked for > clarification but it > > is easy for me to say that since I wasn't part of > the discussion. I think, > > did you get the point, should mean, did you get the > point? > > > > I believe that in newsgroups (and lists and forums) > everyone should try > > very hard to understand what the poster is meaning by > paying careful > > attention to the context and try very hard to keep > their own > > preconceptions and emotions out of things. Similar to > the way we ignore > > spelling errors or differences. I know that it is > easier to write that > > advice than it is to follow it. Since many of us are > here to help or get > > help with technical issues, the most productive > suggestion is to leave > > ones ego out of ones reading and replying. The > Internet is littered with > > online arguments that can be traced back to hurt > feelings or > > misconceptions and nobody ever really > "wins", although often the most > > aggressive poster drives others away. Go to a > newsgroup that is frequented > > by trolls if examples are necessary. ...or, a > developers list just > > previous to a vote. > > > > It's certainly true that many of the brightest > troubleshooting minds are > > not the best at social conversation and often > don't take well to > > disagreement and/or respond to argument curtly. There > are very bright > > people who can't read emotion > "between-the-lines" and certainly also those > > who see emotion which isn't there. I think > it's correct that it's partly > > cultural. Also situational, think how differently we > perceive things if we > > are personally angry or afraid at the moment. > > > > Just to be clear, I apologise if I sound patronising, > I'm as susceptible > > to arguments as anyone else. I've been around a > long time and none of this > > is new. As far as I'm concerned, if you use the > English words correctly > > (as per the dictionary definition) we English speakers > should not take you > > to task because we see something else in it, > especially when we recognise > > that you are not a native English speaker. In my > opinion, one needs the > > intention to be rude in order to be rude and it did > not appear to me that > > you intended that, what it looked (sounded/read) like > to me was > > frustration. > > > > It seems to me that you managed to get what you wanted > out of the posts > > regardless of misunderstandings, and we all had the > benefit of the > > discussion to be exposed to others ideas and > opinions...that's the point > > that matters. > > I agree. I also want to add that sometimes it is very hard > to identify how a > person is trying to explain things in an E-Mail, because we > cannot observe > the posters actions, tone of voice, appearance and so on. > > I also believe it depends on the individual, some think the > way something is > said is rude whereareas, others don't. I personally > slightly think "did you > get the point?" is rude in some situations because it > suggests your listener > is dumb. I prefer to ask the question "did I explain > that good?" or something > like "did that help?". So in the event they > didn't understand what I was > trying to explain I'll take the blame for not > explaining it to the best of my > abilities rather than suggest they are dumb or stupid. > I am glad to hear that some people do not get affected by what I said and how I said it and are trying to understand the meaning in fact though it was intended to suggest that the person should read once again what I was trying to say about kde3 especially not presuming that I do not have a clear motivation behind. If you tend to make false presumptions it's most probably that you're on the way getting dumb. If you are not sure or don't know why I say something you should ask. There is always a distortion between intention and understanding intentions. So I can not say that I was thinking a person was dumb or anything like this, but that this person made a false presumption not trying to understand why something is being said by me, not even asking why I say it. I should also agree that in this context it might be interpreted as rude, but only if people are "sick of fake political correctness" or "fake politness" (as I said). In fact it depends (I think/my personal opinion) that people with different social background are getting more or less affected by what I say. So as I said the truth is somehwere in the middle. And by writing this I mean that those people should learn, that there is something else than the shine world in the west and when things change they will get confronted by more rude and eveil things then a question like "did you get the point?" In fact all of this is very helpful to me thanks for all of your opinions regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 08:47:48 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48EF8AC4.8030106@swbell.net> Message-ID: <471822.44666.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > From: Billie Erin Walsh > Subject: Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:03 PM > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh > wrote: > > > >> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> > >>> (And I myself had to edit what I had > originally said about my > >>> nationality, > >>> since it might have offended citizens of the > United States.) > >>> > >>> Lisi > >>> > >> One thing I have learned over time is no matter > what your going to > >> offend someone along the way. As you grow older > you learn not to let it > >> bother you if you do. > >> > > > > I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. > But as I got older I have > > learnt to respect other people's feelings more. > If I can reasonably manage > > it, and provided of course that I am not so angry that > I would be pleased if > > I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving offence. > This does not mean that I > > always succeed, of course. > > > > Lisi > > > > > You aren't old enough yet. *<]:oD > In the past I've learned even if you try to think of everything and not try to offend anybody people do get offended and complain. Keep trying, that's what I'm doing too but in this point Ms/Mr Walsh is right ;-) Here is a short story ... Few days ago we went to a dinner with few friends and met few others. One of them I didn't know. In the discussion while dining we were talking about politics, because here elections just passed. I said that I think a particular politician presented himself very well and I think at the moment he is the best one. I also followed the campaign of most of them and think I have objective view. The person I didn't know got very frustrated, couldn't backup why I shouldn't say this and finally stood up paid his bill and left. Well I think it was his own decision to do so, because what I did and backed up was to say what I'm thinking and explain it. If someone does not like it - well I can not do anything about it. There are so many people that always there is someone to disagree, complain, get hurt and so on. You'll never be able to meet the needs of all of them, Lisi. But keep trying this is the right way otherwise you turn into a selfish neglecting person and loose all your friends. regards From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Oct 9 13:38:33 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:38:33 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <7011AC30-ACFE-4FAD-834E-39BFB04B82B7@gmail.com> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810081957.55233.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <7011AC30-ACFE-4FAD-834E-39BFB04B82B7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810090938.33747.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008 5:56:35 am Art Alexion wrote: > > Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever.   > > Kmail crashed once a month ago. I use both 12 hours a day, with hard- > > core usage and email going back to 1994 in 200 folders, and 30gb of   > > music. Do I disbelieve you? Nope, just glad it ain't me having the   > > crashes. I would encourage you to launch from the command line and   > > look for a reason that kmail crashes...might be something easy to   > > debug or easy to report. > > Amarok crashes on me twice a day. Kmail 3.5.10 crashes thrice daily.   > 3.9.9 never crashed that I recall. This is the greeting from my computer this morning -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kmai_crashes_again.png Type: image/png Size: 69455 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Oct 11 10:09:12 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:09:12 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810102307.40851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48EF8AC4.8030106@swbell.net> <200810102307.40851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810110609.12489.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 10 October 2008 11:07:40 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >>> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>>> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my > >>>> nationality, > >>>> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) > >>>> > >>>> Lisi > >>> > >>> One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to > >>> offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let > >>> it bother you if you do. > >> > >> I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. But as I got older I > >> have learnt to respect other people's feelings more. If I can > >> reasonably manage it, and provided of course that I am not so angry that > >> I would be pleased if I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving offence. > >> This does not mean that I always succeed, of course. > >> > >> Lisi > > > >You aren't old enough yet. *<]:oD > > You beat me to it Billie. Lisi needs to have a little more confidence when > she knows she is right. I would guess Lisi at 1/3rd my age, and no, I'm > not bucking for a quarter, I'm just that old. He's so old he farts dust! ;-) David M. From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Sat Oct 11 10:46:29 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:46:29 +0200 Subject: Panasonic Fx-01 In-Reply-To: <200810111013.17936.noguchi150@gmail.com> References: <200810111013.17936.noguchi150@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Noguchi, On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Noguchi150 wrote: > I tried to import photos from my father's camera with picasa and with digiKam > but both recognized the camera as another model and then freezed. I > discovered that this camera is not supported by gphoto2 library that every > linux program seems to use. In the gphoto page they suggest to write the > driver (!!) or, if the cam can use the pict bridge sistem, try with it. Then > i installed gphoto2, selected the pictbridge mode on the camera and gphoto > sees the files on the camera but doesn't import them!! What should i do? > Thank you in advance I had this once with a camera I don't remember the exact series, but usually you should be able to mount it as a plain USB device and copy your pictures from there. DigiKam can then build the album from the place you stored them. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From basroufs at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 11:17:37 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:17:37 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic Message-ID: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> Dear Everybody This morning I effectively managed to redefine my Unix 'root' password at Kubuntu 7.10 - via a Konsole after starting up in the 'safe mode'. In spite of this, I still do not manage to access the update and software install functions of Adept. With Synaptic I have exactly the same problem. After giving in the password via the graphical KDE menu, I see the computer trying to access Adept or Synaptic during +/- 1 minute. After that minute, the process stops simply without any explanation and, moreover, without accessing the Adept or Synaptic menu. I also tried to access both Synaptic and Adept via Konsole. However, this attempt did not succeed neither. Does anyone have a clue on how to fix this problem? Below, I summarise for you what happened when I tried to set into motion Adept and Synaptic via Konsole. Perhaps someone can find there something that helps him or her to provide me with some useful feedback. Thanks for any possible reply. Respectfully Yours, Bas. SUMMARY: FAILED ATTEMPT TO ACCESS ADEPT OR SYNAPTIC VIA KONSOLE =================================================== Password: (here I gave in the password and pressed at the 'enter' button) root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# adept bash: adept: command not found root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# synaptic Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified (synaptic:7679): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# exit (here I gave in exit to leave the root mode) exit bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ kdesu synaptic (after hitting the enter button, nothing happened). bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ kdesu adept (after hitting the enter button, nothing happened). bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ su Password: (here I gave in again the root password and hit the enter button) root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# kdesu adept Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0 root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# (Here I gut stuck all together.) From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 11 11:49:57 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:49:57 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> Bas Roufs wrote: > root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# adept > > bash: adept: command not found Seems there is no adept command: ~/ > apt-file search adept|grep /usr/bin adept-batch: /usr/bin/adept_batch adept-installer: /usr/bin/adept_installer adept-manager: /usr/bin/adept_manager adept-notifier: /usr/bin/adept_notifier adept-updater: /usr/bin/adept_updater Sorry, can't tell you which one should be used because I use synaptic. My guess would be adept_manager. > root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# synaptic > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > > Xlib: No protocol specified > > (synaptic:7679): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: That is how it should be. Having root privilege doesn't mean root is allowed to acces the display of bas. > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ kdesu synaptic > > (after hitting the enter button, nothing happened). That's a bit strange. could it be that your kdesu is broken? But there is something else you could try as user bas. Install gksu and use that one instead of kdesu: sudo apt-get install gksu gksu synaptic Nils From info at alvin.be Sat Oct 11 11:58:07 2008 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:58:07 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> On Saturday 11 October 2008 13:49:57 Nils Kassube wrote: > Bas Roufs wrote: > > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ kdesu synaptic > > > > (after hitting the enter button, nothing happened). > > That's a bit strange. could it be that your kdesu is broken? But there is > something else you could try as user bas. Install gksu and use that one > instead of kdesu: > > sudo apt-get install gksu > gksu synaptic Or better yet, use 'kdesudo'. Regarding updating your system, try: $ sudo aptitude update $ sudo aptitude dist-upgrade -- Alvin From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 11 12:04:10 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:04:10 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200810111404.10756.kassube@gmx.net> Alvin wrote: > Or better yet, use 'kdesudo'. I don't think that would help if kdesu is broken: ~/ > ls -l /usr/bin/kdesu lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 24 14:02 /usr/bin/kdesu -> kdesudo Nils From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Oct 11 12:23:57 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:23:57 +0100 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <574809.41342.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <574809.41342.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F09ADD.30302@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hello, thanks for discussing all of this > [snip] > I am glad to hear that some people do not get affected by what I said and how I said it and are trying to understand the meaning in fact though it was intended to suggest that the person should read once again what I was trying to say about kde3 especially not presuming that I do not have a clear motivation behind. > If you tend to make false presumptions it's most probably that you're on the way getting dumb. If you are not sure or don't know why I say something you should ask. > There is always a distortion between intention and understanding intentions. > I have to disagree with this argument: no one knows in detail what's in somebody's else head, and it's not up to the listener to ask for clarifications for every communication, it's up to the speaker to try to convey as much information as possible, so that the meaning of what's said is as unambiguous as possible. Wherever there is a hole in the communication, there is the possibility of misunderstanding, and what people do is fill up the holes with what *seems* most appropriate. As many have already said, email is a poor way to express feelings accompanying words, unless one tries really hard, which usually means very long emails. (Side note: someone making false assumptions is not necessarily becoming dumb. The number of false assumptions is greater than the number of correct assumptions, therefore it's perfectly possible to assume the wrong thing while being perfectly smart and rational - or the opposite. All the more reasons to try and leave as little ambiguity in the message as possible) > So I can not say that I was thinking a person was dumb or anything like this, but that this person made a false presumption not trying to understand why something is being said by me, not even asking why I say it. > > I should also agree that in this context it might be interpreted as rude, but only if people are "sick of fake political correctness" or "fake politness" (as I said). In fact it depends (I think/my personal opinion) that people with different social background are getting more or less affected by what I say. So as I said the truth is somehwere in the middle. > Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But if you disagree with someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, not the person. That's not fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not meant to be a scolding, I'm not referring to what has been said; the technique of attacking a person whose ideas we don't share is old and well known, the exact term escapes me - is it "ad personam"?) > And by writing this I mean that those people should learn, that there is something else than the shine world in the west and when things change they will get confronted by more rude and eveil things then a question like "did you get the point?" > This is a non sequitur. Who says politeness, fake or otherwise, is a distinctive trait of the west? You seem to be making statements which are not restricted to Linux or computers at large. How does that connect with the topic? Seriously, I'm curious to hear opinions on international issues, and the more varied the sources the better, but why on this list? (Yes, we are already off topic, I know - I would like to continue the discussion offlist, if that's fine with you) I. > In fact all of this is very helpful to me > > thanks for all of your opinions > > regards > > > > From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 12:39:59 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:39:59 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <200810111404.10756.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <200810111404.10756.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <18bb29490810110539k415c85c0pafa16842fae56f95@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Nils Kassube : > Alvin wrote: >> Or better yet, use 'kdesudo'. > > I don't think that would help if kdesu is broken: This should check if it's broken (as root): apt-get check kdesu Alternatively, it would be good to do: apt-get remove kdesu apt-get install kdesu -- Cheers, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 14:31:08 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:31:08 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810090938.33747.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7011AC30-ACFE-4FAD-834E-39BFB04B82B7@gmail.com> <200810090938.33747.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810111031.08296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: >On Thursday 09 October 2008 5:56:35 am Art Alexion wrote: >> > Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever.   >> > Kmail crashed once a month ago. I use both 12 hours a day, with hard- >> > core usage and email going back to 1994 in 200 folders, and 30gb of   >> > music. Do I disbelieve you? Nope, just glad it ain't me having the   >> > crashes. I would encourage you to launch from the command line and   >> > look for a reason that kmail crashes...might be something easy to   >> > debug or easy to report. >> >> Amarok crashes on me twice a day. Kmail 3.5.10 crashes thrice daily.   >> 3.9.9 never crashed that I recall. > >This is the greeting from my computer this morning I would submit that you have hardware problems. Bad memory or ?? Slowed fan on the cpu or its cooler clogged with dust bunnies? Uptimes here rarely exceed 10 days cuz I follow the kernel -rc series, but I can't recall the last time kmail crashed. Currently running 3.5.10-1 from the F8 repo. The biggest problem I have here is that kde seems to have alzheimers when it comes to remembering the screen blanker and monitor powerdown settings, so I have to change something by 1 minute and refresh those settings every other day or so. A 24 hour or so run of memtest86 seems to be the first recommendation. But its faster to open it up and take an air hose to the cpu cooler & make sure the fan turns freely, bouncing back and forth gently as it stops when you give it a spin with your finger. If it doesn't bounce a bit, its dragging, replace the cooler. Don't forget to clean the cpu and re-apply the recommended heat transfer grease if it uses that, or the little sheet of silicon used if grease isn't used. I like 'artic silver' as the grease. If it turns freely, do not disturb the sink on the cpu, ever. Then fire up memtest86 and let it run several passes. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Mal: "Petty?" Inara: "I didn't mean petty." Mal: "What did you mean?" Inara: "Suo-shee?" Mal: "That's Chinese for petty." --Episode #11, "Trash" From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 14:33:44 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:33:44 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810110809.58147.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810102307.40851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810110809.58147.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111033.44313.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Saturday 11 October 2008 04:07:40 Gene Heskett wrote: >> I would guess Lisi at 1/3rd my age, and no, I'm not >> bucking for a quarter, I'm just that old. > >Now that is the kind of flattery I love.... :-) > >Assuming that you are homo sapiens That has been questioned. :) >and not some new super race, even twice > my age would not be possible. In fact, one and a half times my age would > make the newspapers - anyhow the local one!! > >Lisi Well, now. I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th orbit around the sun. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I always turn to the sports pages first, which record people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures. -- Chief Justice Earl Warren From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 14:42:24 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:42:24 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810110609.12489.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810102307.40851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810110609.12489.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200810111042.24586.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, David McGlone wrote: >On Friday 10 October 2008 11:07:40 pm Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >> >Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >> >>> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >>>> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my >> >>>> nationality, >> >>>> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) >> >>>> >> >>>> Lisi >> >>> >> >>> One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to >> >>> offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to let >> >>> it bother you if you do. >> >> >> >> I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. But as I got older I >> >> have learnt to respect other people's feelings more. If I can >> >> reasonably manage it, and provided of course that I am not so angry >> >> that I would be pleased if I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving >> >> offence. This does not mean that I always succeed, of course. >> >> >> >> Lisi >> > >> >You aren't old enough yet. *<]:oD >> >> You beat me to it Billie. Lisi needs to have a little more confidence >> when she knows she is right. I would guess Lisi at 1/3rd my age, and no, >> I'm not bucking for a quarter, I'm just that old. > >He's so old he farts dust! ;-) > Not yet David. But often when I offer advice because its a problem I have seen & know the first answer to, I do come across as a bit gruff and arbitrary. That isn't trying to be obnoxious, its just because I have been there and done that, sometimes even buying the T-shirt too. :) Having chased electrons for well over 60 years for a living now, there isn't too much I haven't seen at least once with gear old enough to have a history. But the new stuff I have to ask about on these lists just like everyone else. :) >David M. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library?" -- Lily Tomlin From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 14:49:33 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:49:33 -0400 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111049.33445.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Bas Roufs wrote: >Dear Everybody > >This morning I effectively managed to redefine my Unix 'root' password >at Kubuntu 7.10 - via a Konsole after starting up in the 'safe mode'. In >spite of this, I still do not manage to access the update and software >install functions of Adept. With Synaptic I have exactly the same >problem. After giving in the password via the graphical KDE menu, I see >the computer trying to access Adept or Synaptic during +/- 1 minute. >After that minute, the process stops simply without any explanation and, >moreover, without accessing the Adept or Synaptic menu. > >I also tried to access both Synaptic and Adept via Konsole. However, >this attempt did not succeed neither. Does anyone have a clue on how to >fix this problem? > >Below, I summarise for you what happened when I tried to set into motion >Adept and Synaptic via Konsole. Perhaps someone can find there something >that helps him or her to provide me with some useful feedback. > >Thanks for any possible reply. > >Respectfully Yours, > >Bas. > > > >SUMMARY: FAILED ATTEMPT TO ACCESS ADEPT OR SYNAPTIC VIA KONSOLE >=================================================== > >Password: (here I gave in the password and pressed at the 'enter' button) But from the results below, you must not have used the "su -" form, that gets you the root paths enabled. >root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# adept > >bash: adept: command not found See above. Fixable. > >root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# synaptic > >Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > >Xlib: No protocol specified > >(synaptic:7679): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: And in both cases here, x refused because it wasn't started by root, but by the login user. >root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# exit (here I gave in exit to leave the >root mode) > >exit > >bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ kdesu synaptic > >(after hitting the enter button, nothing happened). > >bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ kdesu adept > >(after hitting the enter button, nothing happened). > >bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ su > >Password: (here I gave in again the root password and hit the enter button) > >root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# kdesu adept > >Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > >Xlib: No protocol specified > >kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0 > >root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# >(Here I gut stuck all together.) And here is I think, the classic reason to not setup a legit root account on the *bunbtu's. This was exactly the problem I had when I did that. I was forced to re-install, and now I just use the sudo command. To me its a PIMA, but it does work. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Sticky bits on disk. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Oct 11 15:03:23 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:03:23 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111031.08296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7011AC30-ACFE-4FAD-834E-39BFB04B82B7@gmail.com> <200810090938.33747.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810111031.08296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48F0C03B.2090103@yahoo.it> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > > > A 24 hour or so run of memtest86 seems to be the first recommendation. But > its faster to open it up and take an air hose to the cpu cooler & make sure > the fan turns freely, bouncing back and forth gently as it stops when you > give it a spin with your finger. If it doesn't bounce a bit, its dragging, > replace the cooler. Don't forget to clean the cpu and re-apply the > recommended heat transfer grease if it uses that, or the little sheet of > silicon used if grease isn't used. I like 'artic silver' as the grease. If > it turns freely, do not disturb the sink on the cpu, ever. Then fire up > memtest86 and let it run several passes. > I'd add the suggestion to keep the fan still with a finger or something like that, to avoid power spikes due to the little engine becoming a dynamo instead (this suggestion popped over the list some time ago). HTH, I. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 15:15:41 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:15:41 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810102252.42960.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > So please go back to that teacher and explain the real world facts of life > to him, he is doing his students a huge miss-service by refusing to use > the names correctly. Take a 30" 2x2 or a Louisville Slugger along just in > case you need a educational persuader. > Well Gene, I don't think I will have a lot of luck with that. It has been over 40 years since I was in high school and I doubt that he would be capable of hearing my(your) explanation, even if I had a bat. I live in a country where there is no 'right' to bear arms, so taking a .22 isn't a very viable option. Naturally, I did google before posting and saw the various screw patterns you mention, also saw others that I didn't mention too, for example Torx because I have only seen them on cap screws but I just wanted to share with Derek the part about the "Crescent wrench" name deriving from the tool company which is something I remembered without searching. With the detail you have provided, this OT thread is becoming a wealth of information about tools and screws, though, not much about Kubuntu any longer. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 15:32:47 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:32:47 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EE1CC0.80706@prayingforisrael.net> <200810091113.35921.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810091939.52714.d.mcglone@att.net> <2078144.hatDl5QGRO@cedar.serverforest.com> <1285359.uE9EnXLx1E@cedar.serverforest.com> <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:38:00 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Yes - but I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull > back the power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to > disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. Yo, I hear you! What I have done about that is cut handle off of the shank of a Robertson socket screwdriver and put the shank in the chuck. Maybe not the best solution, but beats going up and down the ladder and putting on my glasses to look for the bit. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 15:37:39 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:37:39 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810101436.34815.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:36:34 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008 1:38:00 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >> I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull back the >> power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to >> disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. > > Metric or Imperial? Chuckle! Made me think of a recent experience. About two months ago I purchased a clamp in a plastic 'carded' package (the kind that hang on a hook in the store. The size was listed as 2 1/2 inches and even though the country where I live uses the metric system, there were no other measurements listed. Interesting thing is, that when I tried to install it, I had to crawl back out from under my truck to get the metric wrenches because the nuts were metric 10 and the imperial wrenches I had under there with me didn't fit well enough. So nothing but imperial listed on the item but metric size. I didn't check to see if it was really 2.5 inches long or if it was 6.35 cm. ;-) From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 11 15:46:31 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:46:31 -0400 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810111146.31976.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > Well, I'm not so sure "we" have a reason for one up front. Share and > store files, in house mail possibly, Uhm, internet to everything else. > Not sure what it's all capable of. > > We probably don't need one in the first place but you never know. Well, the first step is to add a computer to your mix and start diddling with it. I assume you are capable of networking it in... and just go from there. Storing files would be easy. Sharing email? Not sure what that means. In house mail is easy once you set it up as your email server, in and out. From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sat Oct 11 15:47:32 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:47:32 +0100 Subject: Opera Not Connecting Message-ID: <20081011164732.5faa6999@graham-desktop> Since I went through the upgrade to Intrepid, I find Opera no longer connects to the internet. Firefox, Dillo and Konqueror all connect, but not Opera (and its my favourite browser). I've copied the Opera dot file from .opera to .old_opera, and deleted .opera: still no luck. I've deleted Opera and then downloaded the latest: still no connection. I've deleted the latest version and tried older versions that used to work...with the same result. Has anyone got a way round this, or do others share my experience? -- Graham Todd From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 15:51:33 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:51:33 +0300 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <200810111146.31976.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> <200810111146.31976.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810110851x57f3886co815c0979bf4d88ad@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Bruce Marshall : > On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >> Well, I'm not so sure "we" have a reason for one up front. Share and >> store files, in house mail possibly, Uhm, internet to everything else. >> Not sure what it's all capable of. >> >> We probably don't need one in the first place but you never know. > > Well, the first step is to add a computer to your mix and start diddling with > it. I assume you are capable of networking it in... and just go from there. > > Storing files would be easy. Sharing email? Not sure what that means. > > In house mail is easy once you set it up as your email server, in and out. > this is a very detailed explanation of how to setup an ubuntu based server, i bet it's a lot more than what you need, and might get complicated, you can just use the parts you need from it. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 15:52:03 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:52:03 +0300 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810110851x57f3886co815c0979bf4d88ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> <200810111146.31976.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <15edeae40810110851x57f3886co815c0979bf4d88ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810110852s4ed014e7nb3ca587b86092190@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Willy Hamra : > 2008/10/11 Bruce Marshall : >> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> Well, I'm not so sure "we" have a reason for one up front. Share and >>> store files, in house mail possibly, Uhm, internet to everything else. >>> Not sure what it's all capable of. >>> >>> We probably don't need one in the first place but you never know. >> >> Well, the first step is to add a computer to your mix and start diddling with >> it. I assume you are capable of networking it in... and just go from there. >> >> Storing files would be easy. Sharing email? Not sure what that means. >> >> In house mail is easy once you set it up as your email server, in and out. >> > > this is a very detailed explanation of how to setup an ubuntu based > server, i bet it's a lot more than what you need, and might get > complicated, you can just use the parts you need from it. > forgot to put the link http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 15:54:37 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:54:37 +0300 Subject: Opera Not Connecting In-Reply-To: <20081011164732.5faa6999@graham-desktop> References: <20081011164732.5faa6999@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <15edeae40810110854v5955c91bl9b6f0dac7b7347b5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Graham Todd : > Since I went through the upgrade to Intrepid, I find Opera no longer > connects to the internet. Firefox, Dillo and Konqueror all connect, > but not Opera (and its my favourite browser). > > I've copied the Opera dot file from .opera to .old_opera, and > deleted .opera: still no luck. I've deleted Opera and then downloaded > the latest: still no connection. I've deleted the latest version and > tried older versions that used to work...with the same result. > > Has anyone got a way round this, or do others share my experience? > that's weird. i don't currently use opera, but might be able to help with some basic troubleshooting. most of the time, it might be a DNS resolving problem, if you type this IP in the address bar 91.189.94.250 , does it take you to canonical's website? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From melanie.t23 at ukonline.co.uk Sat Oct 11 16:06:40 2008 From: melanie.t23 at ukonline.co.uk (Melanie) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:06:40 +0100 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810101436.34815.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> On Saturday 11 October 2008 16:37:39 Thorny wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:36:34 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > > On Friday 10 October 2008 1:38:00 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > metric size. I didn't check to see if it was really 2.5 inches long or if > it was 6.35 cm. ;-) It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly advise me to add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really mean one pint (Imperial, not US). Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:14:08 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:14:08 -0700 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released References: <574809.41342.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F09ADD.30302@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:23:57 +0100, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > I have to disagree with this argument: no one knows in detail what's in > somebody's else head, and it's not up to the listener to ask for > clarifications for every communication, it's up to the speaker to try to > convey as much information as possible, so that the meaning of what's > said is as unambiguous as possible. Wherever there is a hole in the > communication, there is the possibility of misunderstanding, and what > people do is fill up the holes with what *seems* most appropriate. As > many have already said, email is a poor way to express feelings > accompanying words, unless one tries really hard, which usually means > very long emails. > > I generally agree with what you said for normal communication. However, in a place where people come to help and be helped, I think it is incumbent on the helper (who has chosen that role, no one is forced to respond) to make a considerable effort to understand and support a poster who might have trouble expressing any part of the communication. In theory, those with the best command of the language could be in a position to better comprehend the nuances of that language and be aware of what might be attributable to their own emotions . Specifically, this list is about an operating system that is part of a group that desires to be welcoming and supportive. I think I even read that somewhere in a mission statement about Ubuntu but I don't have any link to cite. I interpret that as 'bend over backward'(make the effort) to try and help, spend the time writing those long emails and endeavor to make people feel welcome. YMMV. I can do it for a while, but I too will quit replying to someone who, over time, continues to be rude or trolls. I know your email wasn't threaded to my reply but you and I probably approach things differently, even in person (meatspace) I would tend to ask if someone is meaning to be rude or if I misunderstood what they said. Of course, in meatspace, things do tend to play out a bit differently than cyberspace. Posters who think they haven't been treated fairly tend to just disappear and we may not get another chance to help them with Kubuntu. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:21:12 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:21:12 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810101436.34815.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:06:40 +0100, Melanie wrote: > On Saturday 11 October 2008 16:37:39 Thorny wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:36:34 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: >> > On Friday 10 October 2008 1:38:00 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> metric size. I didn't check to see if it was really 2.5 inches long or >> if it was 6.35 cm. ;-) > > It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly advise me to > add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really mean > one pint (Imperial, not US). > > Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? I don't know but I imagine so, wasn't that size supposed to 1/5 of a US gallon? Are there any drinkers in the US reading this who can confirm this? But, mm is a unit of distance, don't you mean cc? From basroufs at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:23:10 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:23:10 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <18bb29490810110539k415c85c0pafa16842fae56f95@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <200810111404.10756.kassube@gmx.net> <18bb29490810110539k415c85c0pafa16842fae56f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F0D2EE.10306@gmail.com> See below. >>> Or better yet, use 'kdesudo'. >>> >> I don't think that would help if kdesu is broken: >> > > This should check if it's broken (as root): > apt-get check kdesu > > Alternatively, it would be good to do: > apt-get remove kdesu > apt-get install kdesu > Hello Everybody Thanks for all your input so far. However, I did not yet manage to solve the Adept and Synaptic problem. I tried to check, remove and reinstall kdesu, as suggested above. Below I share with you the results that came to me via Konsole. My attempt to check kdesu delivered a strange result: ==================================== root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# apt-get check kdesu Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# apt-get remove kdesu Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package kdesu is not installed, so not removed This is what I got when I tried to 'remove' kdesu: ================================== root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# apt-get remove kdesu Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package kdesu is not installed, so not removed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Here are the results of my attempts to (re)install kdesu: ===================================== root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# apt-get install kdesu Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package kdesu is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package kdesu has no installation candidate root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# (Here i got stuck again..) ?????? Warm greetings, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:42:51 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:42:51 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111033.44313.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810110809.58147.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111033.44313.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 11 October 2008 15:33:44 Gene Heskett wrote: > Well, now.  I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th orbit around the > sun. And I shall be starting on my 67th in ten days time..... (Tho' I prefer to say that I shall be 66 - it sounds less somehow!!) So considerably more than a third of your age... ! Lisi From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Oct 11 16:42:24 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:42:24 +0100 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: References: <574809.41342.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F09ADD.30302@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48F0D770.8060508@yahoo.it> Thorny wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:23:57 +0100, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> I have to disagree with this argument: no one knows in detail what's in >> somebody's else head, and it's not up to the listener to ask for >> clarifications for every communication, it's up to the speaker to try to >> convey as much information as possible, so that the meaning of what's >> said is as unambiguous as possible. Wherever there is a hole in the >> communication, there is the possibility of misunderstanding, and what >> people do is fill up the holes with what *seems* most appropriate. As >> many have already said, email is a poor way to express feelings >> accompanying words, unless one tries really hard, which usually means >> very long emails. >> >> > I generally agree with what you said for normal communication. However, in > a place where people come to help and be helped, I think it is incumbent > on the helper (who has chosen that role, no one is forced to respond) to > make a considerable effort to understand and support a poster who might > have trouble expressing any part of the communication. In theory, those > with the best command of the language could be in a position to better > comprehend the nuances of that language and be aware of what might be > attributable to their own emotions . Specifically, this list is about an > operating system that is part of a group that desires to be welcoming and > supportive. I think I even read that somewhere in a mission statement > about Ubuntu but I don't have any link to cite. I interpret that as 'bend > over backward'(make the effort) to try and help, spend the time writing > those long emails and endeavor to make people feel welcome. YMMV. I can > do it for a while, but I too will quit replying to someone who, over time, > continues to be rude or trolls. > > I know your email wasn't threaded to my reply but you and I probably > approach things differently, even in person (meatspace) I would tend to > ask if someone is meaning to be rude or if I misunderstood what they said. > Of course, in meatspace, things do tend to play out a bit differently than > cyberspace. Posters who think they haven't been treated fairly tend to > just disappear and we may not get another chance to help them with Kubuntu. > I agree with you, it might not show in my recent emails but that's what I usually do (on other mailing lists, I'm nowhere knowledgeable enough to help much on this list). What ticked me off was the *perception* that the discussion was going from technical and/or a matter of taste to more personal statements (not directed at me, but then, what can I say... sorry for the noise :)). I. From juankawada at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:42:38 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:42:38 -0600 Subject: m4a->mp3 help Message-ID: As far as I know K3b won't burn any m4a's or similar codecs onto a cd. I would like to be able to burn anything from my music collection onto a cd, not just some of it. so is there a way to get K3b to do this? or even better, I have my music collection in /home/udyrfrykte/Music, all organized in folders by letter/ artist name/ album name. I would be very grateful to anyone who could write me a script that will find all of my songs that aren't mp3s and convert them to mp3. I found an old script to do this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138419 but it's outdated and some changes need to be made to it before it will work. I would like this script not only for me, but for my friends that I convinced to use linux. It seems that main problem anyone I know has had converting is getting all music to play with amarok, etc. (p.s., my m4a's are all drm free) Thanks! -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 11 16:56:09 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:09 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic In-Reply-To: <48F0D2EE.10306@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <18bb29490810110539k415c85c0pafa16842fae56f95@mail.gmail.com> <48F0D2EE.10306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111856.09800.kassube@gmx.net> Bas Roufs wrote: > root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# apt-get remove kdesu > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package kdesu is not installed, so not removed The package name is "kdesudo". Nils From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:58:09 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:58:09 -0700 Subject: kdesu? 8.10 References: <48EB91FE.7000109@prayingforisrael.net> <200810072327.40463.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <1860136.tJo0KkGxeC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810092140.07210.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <880dece00810100019q797a7869m4616a226cc81823c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:19:21 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/10 Martin Laberge : >> for sure you read the man page, and ajust to your liking, when come >> security. >> >> > I haven't, and I usually RTFM before doing anything. Really, if I am > typical of users on this list, then I know just enough to be dangerous. I > did know about xhost +, but I did not know that it is dangerous. And I've > been using linux for about five years, and we erased every other OS in the > house over three years ago! > Well, I'm sure you do grok how the command as presented could present a security risk on a multi-user server but do go on to RTFM. It isn't necessary to use the command that way and globally allow all other users to use X. The command will take the *name* argument so you have a bit better control of who has the X access. Generally I think using this is aimed at workstations that usually have only user at a time. The last time I used it I used xhost + localhost and since I was sitting in front of the workstation's only console and remote login was disabled, I was fairly sure I would notice if someone reached over my shoulder to use the keyboard. However, I can't properly call myself a security expert, I could be missing something critical. If I am I know we will hear about it soon enough. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 11 17:09:31 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:09:31 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - =?iso-8859-1?q?first=09impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: <200810111309.32582.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Thorny wrote: > > Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? > > I don't know but I imagine so, wasn't that size supposed to 1/5 of a US > gallon? Are there any drinkers in the US reading this who can > confirm this? > > But, mm is a unit of distance, don't you mean cc? No, I believe most liquor is sold in liters now... Usually .75 or 1.5 liter bottles which is supposed to replace the 4/5th quart (or 'fifth') and the half gallon. As always in marketing, they put out a slightly smaller amount at probably the same price as they do with candy bars. :-( From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:26:16 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:26:16 +0300 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15edeae40810111026u2648f17bv9726692ba08949f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Juan Kawada : > As far as I know K3b won't burn any m4a's or similar codecs onto a cd. I > would like to be able to burn anything from my music collection onto a cd, > not just some of it. > so is there a way to get K3b to do this? > > or even better, I have my music collection in /home/udyrfrykte/Music, all > organized in folders by letter/ artist name/ album name. I would be very > grateful to anyone who could write me a script that will find all of my > songs that aren't mp3s and convert them to mp3. > I found an old script to do this here: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138419 > but it's outdated and some changes need to be made to it before it will > work. > > I would like this script not only for me, but for my friends that I > convinced to use linux. It seems that main problem anyone I know has had > converting is getting all music to play with amarok, etc. > > (p.s., my m4a's are all drm free) > > Thanks! if you have a huge collection of files, i don't think my method would be practical. i use a program that uses gstreamer as a backend to convert music files from any format that is supported by gstreamer into ogg. the program is called oggconvert. but it doesn't take parameters from the terminal, and can only convert one file at a time. i use it to convert files as i get them, so usually no more than 20 files at atime, and using this program is bearable. but if you're talking about a few hundred files, this can be hell :P if i was you, i'll be looking at gstreamer help pages, and see how it could be used. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:30:23 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:30:23 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810110809.58147.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111033.44313.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Lisi Reisz : > On Saturday 11 October 2008 15:33:44 Gene Heskett wrote: >> Well, now. I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th orbit around the >> sun. > > And I shall be starting on my 67th in ten days time..... (Tho' I prefer to > say that I shall be 66 - it sounds less somehow!!) > > So considerably more than a third of your age... ! > > Lisi > bah, internet! people always assume that they are talking with people in their age criteria. young people think they are talking with young people. old people thnk they're talking with old people. i turn 21 in 2 months, and seeing your ages makes me feel like i'm somewhere i don't belong to :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:39:23 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:39:23 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111042.24586.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810102307.40851.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810110609.12489.d.mcglone@att.net> <200810111042.24586.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1223746763.4802.6.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 10:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Not yet David. But often when I offer advice because its a problem I have > seen & know the first answer to, I do come across as a bit gruff and > arbitrary. That isn't trying to be obnoxious, its just because I have been > there and done that, sometimes even buying the T-shirt too. :) I second that, having known Gene for a few years in several lists. No, he ain't 'perfect' nor does he claim to be, but he's been around long enough to have not only have made a few mistakes, but learned from 'em as well. That's as close to perfection as it gets with Homo Sapiens. And, I've never seen Gene denigrate another, unless they continue to whine and just aren't listening to a valid point of his towards a resolution of a problem. For an old coot, he has got some chops. :) >From another old coot, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:40:18 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:40:18 +0300 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810111026u2648f17bv9726692ba08949f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40810111026u2648f17bv9726692ba08949f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810111040x3fca0a24v7e4470212378b2ec@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Willy Hamra : > 2008/10/11 Juan Kawada : >> As far as I know K3b won't burn any m4a's or similar codecs onto a cd. I >> would like to be able to burn anything from my music collection onto a cd, >> not just some of it. >> so is there a way to get K3b to do this? >> >> or even better, I have my music collection in /home/udyrfrykte/Music, all >> organized in folders by letter/ artist name/ album name. I would be very >> grateful to anyone who could write me a script that will find all of my >> songs that aren't mp3s and convert them to mp3. >> I found an old script to do this here: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138419 >> but it's outdated and some changes need to be made to it before it will >> work. >> >> I would like this script not only for me, but for my friends that I >> convinced to use linux. It seems that main problem anyone I know has had >> converting is getting all music to play with amarok, etc. >> >> (p.s., my m4a's are all drm free) >> >> Thanks! > > if you have a huge collection of files, i don't think my method would > be practical. i use a program that uses gstreamer as a backend to > convert music files from any format that is supported by gstreamer > into ogg. the program is called oggconvert. but it doesn't take > parameters from the terminal, and can only convert one file at a time. > i use it to convert files as i get them, so usually no more than 20 > files at atime, and using this program is bearable. but if you're > talking about a few hundred files, this can be hell :P if i was you, > i'll be looking at gstreamer help pages, and see how it could be used. > > i hope these links might help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-206452.html http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-143262.html http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/audio_conversion_linux.html http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82806 some of these are a bit outdated, and might require a different version (older version) of the gstreamer package. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 17:59:57 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:59:57 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810111309.32582.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111309.32582.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0810111059s8d42f5epa38bf33bfa65ac55@mail.gmail.com> Yep its all in ml's 325 750, 1500 except domestic beer. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 11 October 2008, Thorny wrote: > > > Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? > > > > I don't know but I imagine so, wasn't that size supposed to 1/5 of a US > > gallon? 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URL: From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 18:05:36 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:05:36 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 11 October 2008 18:30:23 Willy Hamra wrote: > bah, internet! people always assume that they are talking with people > in their age criteria. young people think they are talking with young > people. old people thnk they're talking with old people. i turn 21 in > 2 months, and seeing your ages makes me feel like i'm somewhere i > don't belong to No - I hestitate to contradict you, but this mention of actual ages arose because Gene assumed that he was talking to someone who was not his age. He said in fact that he was 3 times my age. So his assumption is that everyone else is young - not that everyone else is his age!! You are almost exactly on the age he clearly wants the rest of us to be. ;-) (One third of 74 is just under 25.) You have knowledge, we have experience. The one complements the other nicely. Please don't let's turn this into an ageist war. :-) Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 year old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all the same age for people to "belong"?? Lisi From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 18:05:15 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F0D770.8060508@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <426957.34465.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 6:42 PM > Thorny wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:23:57 +0100, Ignazio Palmisano > wrote: > > > >> I have to disagree with this argument: no one > knows in detail what's in > >> somebody's else head, and it's not up to > the listener to ask for > >> clarifications for every communication, it's > up to the speaker to try to > >> convey as much information as possible, so that > the meaning of what's > >> said is as unambiguous as possible. Wherever there > is a hole in the > >> communication, there is the possibility of > misunderstanding, and what > >> people do is fill up the holes with what *seems* > most appropriate. As > >> many have already said, email is a poor way to > express feelings > >> accompanying words, unless one tries really hard, > which usually means > >> very long emails. > >> > >> > > I generally agree with what you said for normal > communication. However, in > > a place where people come to help and be helped, I > think it is incumbent > > on the helper (who has chosen that role, no one is > forced to respond) to > > make a considerable effort to understand and support a > poster who might > > have trouble expressing any part of the communication. > In theory, those > > with the best command of the language could be in a > position to better > > comprehend the nuances of that language and be aware > of what might be > > attributable to their own emotions . Specifically, > this list is about an > > operating system that is part of a group that desires > to be welcoming and > > supportive. I think I even read that somewhere in a > mission statement > > about Ubuntu but I don't have any link to cite. I > interpret that as 'bend > > over backward'(make the effort) to try and help, > spend the time writing > > those long emails and endeavor to make people feel > welcome. YMMV. I can > > do it for a while, but I too will quit replying to > someone who, over time, > > continues to be rude or trolls. > > > > I know your email wasn't threaded to my reply but > you and I probably > > approach things differently, even in person > (meatspace) I would tend to > > ask if someone is meaning to be rude or if I > misunderstood what they said. > > Of course, in meatspace, things do tend to play out a > bit differently than > > cyberspace. Posters who think they haven't been > treated fairly tend to > > just disappear and we may not get another chance to > help them with Kubuntu. > > > > I agree with you, it might not show in my recent emails but > that's what > I usually do (on other mailing lists, I'm nowhere > knowledgeable enough > to help much on this list). What ticked me off was the > *perception* that > the discussion was going from technical and/or a matter of > taste to more > personal statements (not directed at me, but then, what > can I say... > sorry for the noise :)). > I. > I want to put a point to this discussion from my side. I am pretty self confident person and I know that I'm not rude, may be too direct or abit too rough. Anyway I think it was/is a good discussion. If you still don't get the point :-) it's your problem. If you are affected by the question it's your problem. If you think I'm attacking you personally, it's your problem. In fact it's always the choice or the abillity of the hearer to interpret and understand some statement and the speaker can not imagin how a hearer would interpret something. By the way what you mean is "argumentum ad hominem" but I _did_not_ use it in this sense. I also never wanted to say someone is dumb, just read what I said about kde3 and ask me if you still do not understand (which is equell to me to "to get the point"). I don't think it makes sense to discuss it further why I said it. In fact I was really affected but in no means wanted to affect you or someone else. In fact I tried kubuntu may be 4 years ago and did not agree that it's deriving from debian unstable. I still do not agree with it and that you want to push the kde4 to the users and I will not move to it untill I'm 101% sure it works. I would in fact expect more respect to the users point of view, but this is the choice of developers as we stated before. In fact I've being involved into this discussion because I wanted to give you an idea what me and may be others expect from a distro like kubuntu. If you can communicate this to the kubuntu team it would be great. I decided to try kubuntu also because kde3 is now pretty mature and what I get now is that it'll be gone ... well this is the thing I wanted to prevent. I didn't read anything about it on the kubuntu web page and my point was that the kubuntu team should work on publicity, because few people with less linux experience than me fall into the trap by installing it and getting hurt. I'm poretty smart to avoid it, but I did not expected that kubuntu does not follow the same policy as ubuntu (i.e. no LST) so put this also on your page please. This way you could make a favour to a lot of people, really! I think one week of discussing the topic is more than enough. The suggestion that I may stay with kde3 is still to be proven/checked and only the idea that I have to test something is not making me happy at all, so I'll think about what I'll do with kubuntu next. I would prefer to concentrate to my work and not be kind of tester. Unfortunately the neglecting way of thinking that spreads out trough the developers community is making me very sad. It seems that working is somehow 50% for some people or developers and I reject to accept this. I hope this time I put it clear. And I still do not understand why people move to somthing new without improving the old, but this is another discussion. Think about what I'm saind and do not get personally affected by it. reagards From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 18:09:33 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:09:33 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/11 Juan Kawada : > As far as I know K3b won't burn any m4a's or similar codecs onto a cd. I > would like to be able to burn anything from my music collection onto a cd, > not just some of it. > so is there a way to get K3b to do this? > > or even better, I have my music collection in /home/udyrfrykte/Music, all > organized in folders by letter/ artist name/ album name. I would be very > grateful to anyone who could write me a script that will find all of my > songs that aren't mp3s and convert them to mp3. > I found an old script to do this here: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138419 > but it's outdated and some changes need to be made to it before it will > work. > > I would like this script not only for me, but for my friends that I > convinced to use linux. It seems that main problem anyone I know has had > converting is getting all music to play with amarok, etc. > > (p.s., my m4a's are all drm free) > > Thanks! > -- Hi! I use this find command in one of my scripts i use to "manage" my music archive. It will find all music files based on it's extension. find "$SEARCHDIR" -type f \( -iname "*.mp3" -o -iname "*.wma" -o -iname "*.flac" -o -iname "*.ogg" -o -iname "*.mpc" -o -iname "*.ac3" -o -iname "*.wav" -o -iname "*.acc" -o -iname "*.mp4" -o -iname "*.m4a" \) -exec basename '{}' \; If you want to find all music files except mp3 files you can change it to something like this. find "$SEARCHDIR" -type f \( \! -iname "*.mp3" -a -iname "*.wma" -o -iname "*.flac" -o -iname "*.ogg" -o -iname "*.mpc" -o -iname "*.ac3" -o -iname "*.wav" -o -iname "*.acc" -o -iname "*.mp4" -o -iname "*.m4a" \) -print Then pipe it to some program that do the converting. Good Luck / Jonas From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Oct 11 18:39:46 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:39:46 +0100 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <426957.34465.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <426957.34465.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F0F2F2.7040408@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> I agree with you, it might not show in my recent emails but >> that's what >> I usually do (on other mailing lists, I'm nowhere >> knowledgeable enough >> to help much on this list). What ticked me off was the >> *perception* that >> the discussion was going from technical and/or a matter of >> taste to more >> personal statements (not directed at me, but then, what >> can I say... >> sorry for the noise :)). >> I. >> > > I want to put a point to this discussion from my side. I am pretty self confident person and I know that I'm not rude, may be too direct or abit too rough. Anyway I think it was/is a good discussion. > If you still don't get the point :-) it's your problem. If you are affected by the question it's your problem. If you think I'm attacking you personally, it's your problem. In fact it's always the choice or the abillity of the hearer to interpret and understand some statement and the speaker can not imagin how a hearer would interpret something. > :D this is funny, a dear friend of mine was using exactly the same words no more than a week ago. He describes himself in the same terms you use here, and you both are right in a sense, and wrong in another. It is not your problem if the communication does not work only if you are not interested in the communication to work. In a sense, you catch more flies with a drop of honey that with a liter of vinegar. (just a funny story, I don't want to rehash discussions) I. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 18:58:46 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:58:46 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F0F766.4030507@gmail.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > No - I hestitate to contradict you, but this mention of actual ages arose > because Gene assumed that he was talking to someone who was not his age. He > said in fact that he was 3 times my age. So his assumption is that everyone > else is young - not that everyone else is his age!! You are almost exactly > on the age he clearly wants the rest of us to be. ;-) (One third of 74 is > just under 25.) > > You have knowledge, we have experience. The one complements the other nicely. > Please don't let's turn this into an ageist war. :-) > we can't deny the importance of experience. while i surely have experience in computers (not too much in linux, though :P) i still lack the 15+ years of experience a lot of people have. > Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 to > 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 year old > or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all the same age > for people to "belong"?? my problem is that where i live, and most of the countries surrounding me, people above 30~35 who know how to operate a computer are very very rare, it's all youngsters like me. this sociological environment around me, makes ma assume that this condition is everywhere, but as it's obvious, there are a lot of places around the world, where there is older people who happen to know computers pretty well. and no, one can belong to a group of people of different age as long as they share something, like they use the same OS for example, but due to the anonymosity of the internet, and certain expectations people might have in their mind, they tend to get surprised once they realize who exactly these people they're communicating with are. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 19:14:10 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:14:10 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> Dear everybody > Or better yet, use 'kdesudo'. > > Regarding updating your system, try: > $ sudo aptitude update > $ sudo aptitude dist-upgrade > Now, I managed to update the system by means of a variation of the two Unix/ Konsole commands above. First I logged in as root-user: su(Enter)(password). Then, I successfully used the commands UPDATE and DIST-UPGRADE. So, the system is up to date again. On the other hand, I still do not manage to access Adept and Synaptic. Thanks for your feedback so far. Respectfully yours, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sat Oct 11 19:22:48 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:22:48 +0200 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F0F766.4030507@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F0F766.4030507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F0FD08.8040105@prayingforisrael.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > No - I hestitate to contradict you, but this mention of actual ages > arose >> because Gene assumed that he was talking to someone who was not his age. He >> said in fact that he was 3 times my age. So his assumption is that everyone >> else is young - not that everyone else is his age!! You are almost exactly >> on the age he clearly wants the rest of us to be. ;-) (One third of 74 is >> just under 25.) >> >> You have knowledge, we have experience. The one complements the other nicely. >> Please don't let's turn this into an ageist war. :-) >> > > we can't deny the importance of experience. while i surely have > experience in computers (not too much in linux, though :P) i still lack > the 15+ years of experience a lot of people have. > >> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 to >> 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 year old >> or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all the same age >> for people to "belong"?? > > my problem is that where i live, and most of the countries surrounding > me, people above 30~35 who know how to operate a computer are very very > rare, it's all youngsters like me. this sociological environment around > me, makes ma assume that this condition is everywhere, but as it's > obvious, there are a lot of places around the world, where there is > older people who happen to know computers pretty well. > > and no, one can belong to a group of people of different age as long as > they share something, like they use the same OS for example, but due to > the anonymosity of the internet, and certain expectations people might > have in their mind, they tend to get surprised once they realize who > exactly these people they're communicating with are. > > > Willy, where are you located? Nigel -- From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 19:46:33 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:33 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F0F766.4030507@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F0F766.4030507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810112046.33332.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 11 October 2008 19:58:46 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i still lack > the 15+ years of experience a lot of people have. I was thinking of more like 45 years ;-) Lisi From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 20:26:55 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:26:55 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F0FD08.8040105@prayingforisrael.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F0F766.4030507@gmail.com> <48F0FD08.8040105@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <48F10C0F.9050004@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > No - I hestitate to contradict you, but this mention of actual ages >> arose >>> because Gene assumed that he was talking to someone who was not his age. He >>> said in fact that he was 3 times my age. So his assumption is that everyone >>> else is young - not that everyone else is his age!! You are almost exactly >>> on the age he clearly wants the rest of us to be. ;-) (One third of 74 is >>> just under 25.) >>> >>> You have knowledge, we have experience. The one complements the other nicely. >>> Please don't let's turn this into an ageist war. :-) >>> >> we can't deny the importance of experience. while i surely have >> experience in computers (not too much in linux, though :P) i still lack >> the 15+ years of experience a lot of people have. >> >>> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 to >>> 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 year old >>> or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all the same age >>> for people to "belong"?? >> my problem is that where i live, and most of the countries surrounding >> me, people above 30~35 who know how to operate a computer are very very >> rare, it's all youngsters like me. this sociological environment around >> me, makes ma assume that this condition is everywhere, but as it's >> obvious, there are a lot of places around the world, where there is >> older people who happen to know computers pretty well. >> >> and no, one can belong to a group of people of different age as long as >> they share something, like they use the same OS for example, but due to >> the anonymosity of the internet, and certain expectations people might >> have in their mind, they tend to get surprised once they realize who >> exactly these people they're communicating with are. >> >> >> > Willy, where are you located? > > Nigel > Nigel, Lebanon, Middle East. In a mountainous area, where people above 40 years old, have rarely visited a city! where 128 kbps connection is considered cutting edge technology, and microsoft the only software company in the world :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From juankawada at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 20:51:59 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:51:59 -0600 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jonas, thanks for the script I used find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" -print and I got a huge output of filenames, but what now? I'm trying to add them to the queue in soundKonverter, but that doesn't look like it'll work. Is there another program that would let me do this? or, what if instead of "-print" I used a command to just convert the file, would that work? Also what program would let me do that from the command line, and what command would I use? On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/11 Juan Kawada : > > As far as I know K3b won't burn any m4a's or similar codecs onto a cd. I > > would like to be able to burn anything from my music collection onto a > cd, > > not just some of it. > > so is there a way to get K3b to do this? > > > > or even better, I have my music collection in /home/udyrfrykte/Music, all > > organized in folders by letter/ artist name/ album name. I would be very > > grateful to anyone who could write me a script that will find all of my > > songs that aren't mp3s and convert them to mp3. > > I found an old script to do this here: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138419 > > but it's outdated and some changes need to be made to it before it will > > work. > > > > I would like this script not only for me, but for my friends that I > > convinced to use linux. It seems that main problem anyone I know has had > > converting is getting all music to play with amarok, etc. > > > > (p.s., my m4a's are all drm free) > > > > Thanks! > > -- > > Hi! > > I use this find command in one of my scripts i use to "manage" my > music archive. It will find all music files based on it's extension. > > find "$SEARCHDIR" -type f \( -iname "*.mp3" -o -iname "*.wma" -o > -iname "*.flac" -o -iname "*.ogg" -o -iname "*.mpc" -o -iname "*.ac3" > -o -iname "*.wav" -o -iname "*.acc" -o -iname "*.mp4" -o -iname > "*.m4a" \) -exec basename '{}' \; > > If you want to find all music files except mp3 files you can change it > to something like this. > > find "$SEARCHDIR" -type f \( \! -iname "*.mp3" -a -iname "*.wma" -o > -iname "*.flac" -o -iname "*.ogg" -o -iname "*.mpc" -o -iname "*.ac3" > -o -iname "*.wav" -o -iname "*.acc" -o -iname "*.mp4" -o -iname > "*.m4a" \) -print > > Then pipe it to some program that do the converting. > > Good Luck > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is some programs mention in the links posted by Willy, possibly they can be used. / Jonas From paulatgm at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 21:41:48 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:41:48 -0400 Subject: fonts on kde4 in intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <48EE32FC.4040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F11D9C.2060003@gmail.com> Myriam Schweingruber said the following on 10/10/2008 01:03 AM: > Hi Paul, > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul S wrote: >> I'm noticing a bit of fuzziness in kde4 on intrepid. It's more >> noticeable in the firefox and thunderbird running under kde4 than the >> kde applications running under kde4. When I use ff and tbird under >> gnome on intrepid, the fonts are better. > > Well, these are gtk apps, so that's pretty logical. > >> Anyone else notice this or have an idea how to fix it? > > System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts > > You might need additional packages like kde4-style-qtcurve Tried these with no help. Had to edit ~/.font.conf and change hintstyle from hintmedium to hintfull to get good fonts in all apps. regards, From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 11 21:48:46 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:48:46 -0400 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F11F3E.6000008@cfl.rr.com> > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:29:09 +0200 > From: Knapp > Subject: Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > Knapp wrote: >> > >> >>> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> I have yet to see perfect software. Even Linux does not offer it and >>>> >>> imho nobody will ever be able to write a perfect solution. >>>> > > I took this to mean bug free and not that it would work when subjected > to things it was not designed for. Perhaps a failure on my part to > understand you. > > >>> >> Really there is a lot of perfect software, just not much for the home >>> >> user because it costs to much to produce. >>> >> > >> > Really? Anything more complex than "Hello World" is likely to have errors. >> > Even mission-critical, lives-at-risk, software was found to have errors >> > during the Y2K fiasco (not that it was likely that many of those errors >> > would have broken anything - but the software was not perfect). >> > > There is a difference between perfect and bug free, I guess. Y2K bug > existed because the first programmers never imagined than their > software would still be being used in the year 2000. That is not a bug > but a piece of software that is being used passed it's expiration > date. If you want to look at this way then the qwerty keyboard is a > very bad bug. :-) > > >>> >> What is not perfect on the >>> >> home systems is often the hardware and other peoples software that it >>> >> must interface with anyway. When you release a piece of software it >>> >> must not work with just one type of hardware but 1000s! It is really >>> >> impossible to test 1000s of possible hardware types that you might >>> >> have your software run on and it is not cost effective ether. Zero >>> >> fault software is the sort of stuff that NASA uses. >>> >> > >> > Like the lander software for Mars missions :-) >> > > Except that was not a programming bug but a data entry bug because the > USA is so stupid that they can't teach their scientists metric. (I am > from the USA btw and resent that I was not properly taught the > international standard ether in any useful way.) > > Yes, even in zero tolerance environments mistakes do happen. It is all > a matter of how hard you want to look for the bugs. If you pay 10 > people to look over every line and a 10 more to test every line, you > should end up with a perfect program that cost you millions to > produce. > > One way that MS beat the rest of the world was to stop looking for > bugs so hard and thus make their programmers much more productive and > their software much more feature rich. For some reason people excepted > the bugs for a long time without much complaint as long as they go the > cool features. MS got their software made cheaper and faster than the > other companies and won. I will not get into all the idea stealing and > buying that went on. > > Actually, M$ ran a deal, whereby, the OEMs got a large discount on the OS if they offered Windows and ONLY Windows on their machines. They could not offer any other OS nor tell customers there were other OSes out there available and they had to tell them that if they used a different OS their warrantees would be void. Since the profit margin was largely reliant on this discount, the OEM readily agreed. That is why M$ Windows is the most common, not the most popular, OS. 8-) > As for perfect software, I think the Linux kernel does a very good job > at this. When was the last time you had a kernel crash on a Linux > certified computer? Maybe not, "Perfect" but darn good. > > -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page You don't want to get me started on Windows' lousy memory management. And Intel's decision to use segmented memory? What a mess. 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I didn't check to see if it was really 2.5 inches long or if >> it was 6.35 cm. ;-) > >It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly advise me to > add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really mean one > pint (Imperial, not US). > Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? >Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? Yes, sadly. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) YOU PICKED KARL MALDEN'S NOSE!! From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:01:23 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:01:23 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111033.44313.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111901.23845.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Saturday 11 October 2008 15:33:44 Gene Heskett wrote: >> Well, now.  I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th orbit around >> the sun. > >And I shall be starting on my 67th in ten days time..... (Tho' I prefer to >say that I shall be 66 - it sounds less somehow!!) Chuckle, while I OTOH, tend to see if I can convince others that this old fart is not only old, but wise cuz the years add wisdom while taking your teeth. :^) >So considerably more than a third of your age... ! Mmm, yes, I'd have to agree. How long have you been working with computers? >Lisi -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Math is like love -- a simple idea but it can get complicated. -- R. Drabek From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:12:14 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:12:14 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111912.14170.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Willy Hamra wrote: >2008/10/11 Lisi Reisz : >> On Saturday 11 October 2008 15:33:44 Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Well, now. I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th orbit around >>> the sun. >> >> And I shall be starting on my 67th in ten days time..... (Tho' I prefer >> to say that I shall be 66 - it sounds less somehow!!) >> >> So considerably more than a third of your age... ! >> >> Lisi > >bah, internet! people always assume that they are talking with people >in their age criteria. young people think they are talking with young >people. old people think they're talking with old people. i turn 21 in >2 months, and seeing your ages makes me feel like i'm somewhere i >don't belong to :P Chuckle... I'm really sorry about that Willy, we aren't trying to belittle your youth, in fact we would like to borrow it for a few years. There would be about a dozen pills I take every night that I could forget about. Pills for arthritis, pills for blood pressure, extra vitamins, Lutein for my diabetic eyes, melatonin for a good nights sleep, a baby aspirin, and the list is only half complete. ;-) Feel better now? Youth, enjoy it while you can. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Take me drunk, I'm home again! From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:15:40 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:15:40 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <1223746763.4802.6.camel@iam> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111042.24586.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1223746763.4802.6.camel@iam> Message-ID: <200810111915.40499.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Ric Moore wrote: >On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 10:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Not yet David. But often when I offer advice because its a problem I have >> seen & know the first answer to, I do come across as a bit gruff and >> arbitrary. That isn't trying to be obnoxious, its just because I have >> been there and done that, sometimes even buying the T-shirt too. :) > >I second that, having known Gene for a few years in several lists. No, >he ain't 'perfect' nor does he claim to be, but he's been around long >enough to have not only have made a few mistakes, but learned from 'em >as well. That's as close to perfection as it gets with Homo Sapiens. >And, I've never seen Gene denigrate another, unless they continue to >whine and just aren't listening to a valid point of his towards a >resolution of a problem. For an old coot, he has got some chops. :) > >>From another old coot, Ric > Thanks Ric, but I don't think I'd call you an old coot, not just yet, cuz I have a couple decades (round figures mind you) on you. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Jupiter is aligned with Mars. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:21:25 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:21:25 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression =?utf-8?q?and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0810111059s8d42f5epa38bf33bfa65ac55@mail.gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111309.32582.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <69c7ddfb0810111059s8d42f5epa38bf33bfa65ac55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111921.25341.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, uriah heep wrote: >Yep its all in ml's 325 750, 1500 except domestic beer. Ahh, not quite. I have a couple of sips left in a jug of Black Jack that I thought was 1/2 gallon, but low, and behold even, when I pulled it out just now, the jug says 1.75 litres. But then it was placed in my hands 6 years ago at my retirement dinner & I've been letting it slowly age, whats left is now 14 years old. No idea what 'size' they are shipping now. >On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Thorny wrote: >> > > Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? >> > >> > I don't know but I imagine so, wasn't that size supposed to 1/5 of a US >> > gallon? Are there any drinkers in the US reading this who can >> > confirm this? >> > >> > But, mm is a unit of distance, don't you mean cc? >> >> No, I believe most liquor is sold in liters now... Usually .75 or 1.5 >> liter bottles which is supposed to replace the 4/5th quart (or 'fifth') >> and the half gallon. >> >> As always in marketing, they put out a slightly smaller amount at probably >> the >> same price as they do with candy bars. :-( >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Memories of you remind me of you. -- Karl Lehenbauer From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 11 23:26:13 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:26:13 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810111926.15076.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: > >Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? > > Yes, sadly. Have you looked lately? I'll bet you'll find most bottles are 750 ml or 1.75 liters. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 23:32:54 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:32:54 +0100 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810120032.54682.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 11 October 2008 23:56:58 Gene Heskett wrote: > >It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly advise me to > > add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really mean > > one pint (Imperial, not US). > > Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? One British Imperial pint is 568 ml, which would appear to have been rounded up to 675 ml. (?) Lisi From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:31:47 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:31:47 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Saturday 11 October 2008 18:30:23 Willy Hamra wrote: >> bah, internet! people always assume that they are talking with people >> in their age criteria. young people think they are talking with young >> people. old people thnk they're talking with old people. i turn 21 in >> 2 months, and seeing your ages makes me feel like i'm somewhere i >> don't belong to > >No - I hestitate to contradict you, but this mention of actual ages arose >because Gene assumed that he was talking to someone who was not his age. He >said in fact that he was 3 times my age. So his assumption is that everyone >else is young - not that everyone else is his age!! You are almost exactly >on the age he clearly wants the rest of us to be. ;-) (One third of 74 is >just under 25.) > >You have knowledge, we have experience. The one complements the other > nicely. Please don't let's turn this into an ageist war. :-) > >Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 > to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 year > old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all the same > age for people to "belong"?? > >Lisi They don't Lisi, and that's the point. And had there been a linux that far back, I would have been your closet 9 year old. At that age I was gobbling up everything I could on the physical properties level. Got in over my head a few times too, but we've all done that. Quit school & went to work fixing tv's for a living when I was 14. By the time I was 16, I was fixing all the zeniths the dealers couldn't fix in Iowa and the north half of Missouri. I've had a scope probe in one hand, and a hot soldering iron in the other most of my life. Got a 1st Phone ticket in '62, and a C.E.T. in '72, never cracked a book specifically for either. I could go on, but most of the lists have heard it already. It has been one hell of an interesting ride so far. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I prefer the most unjust peace to the most righteous war. -- Cicero Even peace may be purchased at too high a price. -- Poor Richard From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 23:34:02 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:34:02 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111901.23845.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111901.23845.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810120034.03036.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:01:23 Gene Heskett wrote: > >So considerably more than a third of your age... ! > > Mmm, yes, I'd have to agree.  How long have you been working with > computers? Since 1965. (Ouch!) And you? Lisi From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 23:38:31 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:38:31 +0200 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810101436.34815.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810101436.34815.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810111638u41061f7eu5473783089a8ddf3@mail.gmail.com> On 2008-10-10, Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008 1:38:00 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >> I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull >> back the power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to >> disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. > > Metric or Imperial? > African or European? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:44:24 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:44:24 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810120034.03036.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111901.23845.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810120034.03036.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810111944.24348.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:01:23 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >So considerably more than a third of your age... ! >> >> Mmm, yes, I'd have to agree.  How long have you been working with >> computers? > >Since 1965. (Ouch!) And you? > >Lisi I saw my first one, a 12,000 tube vacuum tube model in the middle '50's at SUI where they were using it to grade the Iowa Test (similar to the S/B for IQ), with a typical uptime of maybe 20 minutes at best, but the first one I could actually play with was in '77. I built a one board Super Elf, then built the rest of it up to be a machine controller that was used for nearly 20 years at KRCR-tv. I was the A.C.E. there then. A 4k static ram board kit for the s-100 bus was $400 then. An RCA 1802 cpu, an odd bird but bulletproof. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up. -- Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad" From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Oct 12 00:41:49 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:41:49 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810110809.58147.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111033.44313.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810111742.52024.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F147CD.7010703@swbell.net> On 10/11/2008 Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/10/11 Lisi Reisz : > > > On Saturday 11 October 2008 15:33:44 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> >> Well, now. I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th > orbit around the > >> >> sun. > > > > > > And I shall be starting on my 67th in ten days time..... (Tho' I > prefer to > > > say that I shall be 66 - it sounds less somehow!!) > > > > > > So considerably more than a third of your age... ! > > > > > > Lisi > > > > > bah, internet! people always assume that they are talking with people > in their age criteria. young people think they are talking with young > people. old people thnk they're talking with old people. i turn 21 in > 2 months, and seeing your ages makes me feel like i'm somewhere i > don't belong to :P My better half says I'm 62 going on 6. My second childhood is so much fun I'm thinking about a third one. Growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Oct 12 03:06:10 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:06:10 -0500 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810110852s4ed014e7nb3ca587b86092190@mail.gmail.com> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> <200810111146.31976.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <15edeae40810110851x57f3886co815c0979bf4d88ad@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40810110852s4ed014e7nb3ca587b86092190@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F169A2.7080005@swbell.net> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/10/11 Willy Hamra : > >> 2008/10/11 Bruce Marshall : >> >>> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I'm not so sure "we" have a reason for one up front. Share and >>>> store files, in house mail possibly, Uhm, internet to everything else. >>>> Not sure what it's all capable of. >>>> >>>> We probably don't need one in the first place but you never know. >>>> >>> Well, the first step is to add a computer to your mix and start diddling with >>> it. I assume you are capable of networking it in... and just go from there. >>> >>> Storing files would be easy. Sharing email? Not sure what that means. >>> >>> In house mail is easy once you set it up as your email server, in and out. >>> >>> >> this is a very detailed explanation of how to setup an ubuntu based >> server, i bet it's a lot more than what you need, and might get >> complicated, you can just use the parts you need from it. >> >> > > forgot to put the link http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts > > I thought I was the only person that had those problems. Thank you. I will check it out. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From kap4lin at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 04:25:37 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:25:37 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: <200810072227.55927.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810072227.55927.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > On Monday 06 October 2008 23:15:52 P Kapat wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: >> > a simple use of checkinstall: > > I forgot to tell, use the .deb format if you do it on kubuntu, > you will surely find the process more straightforward. > Unfortunately, this whole process is for a RedHat machine (so .rpm). Secondly, as I mentioned in my earlier mails on this thread, I do not have root access on this machine. I agree, I need to be root to install a packages globally. BUT why do I need root access to build a .rpm from the source code??? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 05:02:15 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:02:15 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F147CD.7010703@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <15edeae40810111030w4dd2964et61fe248ed8c3629@mail.gmail.com> <48F147CD.7010703@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810120102.15348.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >On 10/11/2008 Willy Hamra wrote: >> 2008/10/11 Lisi Reisz : >> > > On Saturday 11 October 2008 15:33:44 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> >> Well, now. I just had a birthday, starting now on my 75th >> >> orbit around the >> >> >> >> sun. >> > > >> > > And I shall be starting on my 67th in ten days time..... (Tho' I >> >> prefer to >> >> > > say that I shall be 66 - it sounds less somehow!!) >> > > >> > > So considerably more than a third of your age... ! >> > > >> > > Lisi >> >> bah, internet! people always assume that they are talking with people >> in their age criteria. young people think they are talking with young >> people. old people thnk they're talking with old people. i turn 21 in >> 2 months, and seeing your ages makes me feel like i'm somewhere i >> don't belong to :P > >My better half says I'm 62 going on 6. My second childhood is so much >fun I'm thinking about a third one. Growing old is mandatory but growing >up is optional. > I'd druther be 62 going on 16. :) >-- >Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Too much is just enough. -- Mark Twain, on whiskey From juankawada at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 07:08:13 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:08:13 -0600 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ok so I was thinking about trying something like find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" -exec lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new input.m4a output.mp3 but that requires me to specify the input and output name. I wouldn't know how to do it another way, and I think it would be the same using audio convert. so i'll just add the albums into soundKonverter. The main problem was finding the 10-20 albums that were in m4a out of the whole collection, and your find script has helped with that. so thanks for the help! On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/11 Juan Kawada : > > Jonas, thanks for the script > > > > I used > > > > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" -print > > > > and I got a huge output of filenames, but what now? I'm trying to add > them > > to the queue in soundKonverter, but that doesn't look like it'll work. Is > > there another program that would let me do this? > > > > or, what if instead of "-print" I used a command to just convert the > file, > > would that work? Also what program would let me do that from the command > > line, and what command would I use? > > > > You can use the -exec option with find to execute a command for every > file found. I'm not that good with find so perhaps some other with > more knowledge can fill in on this or search the net for some find > tutorial. There is some programs mention in the links posted by Willy, > possibly they can be used. > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Oct 12 07:18:47 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:18:47 +0100 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810120818.48197.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Saturday 11 October 2008 21:51:59 Juan Kawada wrote: > Jonas, thanks for the script > > I used > > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" -print > > and I got a huge output of filenames, but what now? I'm trying to add them > to the queue in soundKonverter, but that doesn't look like it'll work. Is > there another program that would let me do this? > > or, what if instead of "-print" I used a command to just convert the file, > would that work? Also what program would let me do that from the command > line, and what command would I use? How about using the find function in Konqueror to look for all the .m4a files, select all of them and then drag them to soundKonverter's window? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 07:30:39 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:30:39 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/11 Bas Roufs : <----> > Now, I managed to update the system by means of a variation of the two > Unix/ Konsole commands above. First I logged in as root-user: > su(Enter)(password). Then, I successfully used the commands UPDATE and > DIST-UPGRADE. So, the system is up to date again. > > On the other hand, I still do not manage to access Adept and Synaptic. If the problem is solely the synaptic and adept, you could try to reinstall both: sudo apt-get remove synaptic sudo apt-get install synaptic (and the same goes for adept, of course) -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 07:36:58 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:36:58 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: > >Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 > > to 76.  (So far as we know.  There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 > > year old or 85 year old. ;-)  )  Why do groups of people need to be all > > the same age for people to "belong"?? > > > >Lisi > > They don't Lisi, and that's the point. Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he didn't belong because you and I are so ancient. Lisi From kassube at gmx.net Sun Oct 12 09:11:14 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:11:14 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810121111.15047.kassube@gmx.net> Juan Kawada wrote: > ok so I was thinking about trying something like > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" -exec lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new > input.m4a output.mp3 > > but that requires me to specify the input and output name. You could try this: find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" | while read fn;do lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done Nils From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 10:22:33 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:22:33 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810120622.33183.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from >> > 14 to 76.  (So far as we know.  There may, of course, be the odd closet >> > 9 year old or 85 year old. ;-)  )  Why do groups of people need to be >> > all the same age for people to "belong"?? >> > >> >Lisi >> >> They don't Lisi, and that's the point. > >Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he didn't >belong because you and I are so ancient. > >Lisi Yes, and I should emphasize to Willy that for every 60+ here, there are probably 20 who are 30 and below, so we are effectively outnumbered ourselves. So we couldn't "gang up" on him even if we wanted to. :-) One of the things I might note is that for me, other than buying a laptop that had XP on it, and which now dual boots that and F8, there has never been a detour into the lions den called M$. I have had several non-linux computers over the last 25 years, but they all ran a multiuser, multitasking OS, even my old trs-80 Color Computer 3 still setup in the basement runs today's version of OS9, called Nitros9 now. I went from there to a big box amiga, then to linux without ever thinking windows was the answer. It is, but only if the question is "what is the most restrictive, exasperating os ever coded?" -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 12 10:46:59 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:46:59 +0200 Subject: avi files Message-ID: <200810121246.59741.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> What makes .avi play under Kubuntu Linux HH 8.04? Or do they have to me altered to another extension? I have installed the medibuntu repo in my resources. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 10:49:11 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:49:11 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: <200810121111.15047.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810121111.15047.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: 2008/10/12 Nils Kassube : > Juan Kawada wrote: >> ok so I was thinking about trying something like >> find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" -exec lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new >> input.m4a output.mp3 >> >> but that requires me to specify the input and output name. > > You could try this: > > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" | while read fn;do > lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done > > > Nils > Intresting. Do you mind explain the "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" part? I understand that it will replace m4a with mp3 but i don't understand how. It should be possible with some sed script to. / Jonas From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 10:58:24 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:58:24 +0100 Subject: avi files In-Reply-To: <200810121246.59741.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810121246.59741.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810121158.24470.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> Peter > What makes .avi play under Kubuntu Linux HH 8.04? > Or do they have to me altered to another extension? > I have installed the medibuntu repo in my resources. Just about anything. Xine, Gxine, VLC Mediaplayer, Mplayer. You can convert between formats with Kino. 'sudo apt-get install kino' at the command line or 'sudo apt-cache search xine-ui'. Or, 'sudo apt-cache show vlc'. Also, 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' might give you a sound driver that is not installed. See also 'sudo apt-cache search video' -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 12 11:07:00 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:07:00 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support Message-ID: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> As advised I added in fstab # for virtualbox none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=122,devmode=664 0 0 then sudo mount -a still no usb support I also did in /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh uncomment: mkdir -p /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs domount usbfs "" /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs -obusmode=0700,devmode=0600,listmode=0644 ln -s .usbfs/devices /dev/bus/usb/devices mount --rbind /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb still no usb support any suggestions? because without usb-support there is'nt much to do in virtual machines. (printing, pictures, etc, etc.) I also placed this question on the vbox forum. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Oct 12 11:20:35 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:20:35 -0700 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> Peter Klaassen wrote: > any suggestions? because without usb-support there is'nt much > to do in virtual machines. (printing, pictures, etc, etc.) Doesn't that depend on what you want to do. I am quite fond of my 8.04 VM because I can SSH Tunnel to my home network from anywhere. ;) Are you using the OSE or PEUL version? OSE does not have USB support. PEUL version does. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Oct 12 11:20:38 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:20:38 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: <200810121111.15047.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/12 Nils Kassube : > > You could try this: > > > > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" | while read fn;do > > lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done > > Intresting. Do you mind explain the "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" part? I > understand that it will replace m4a with mp3 but i don't understand > how. The bash syntax ${fn%m4a} would result in the environment variable $fn with m4a cut off from the end of the string. However this would only work if the m4a part is lower case only. However the find option -iname would also find files with upper case file names. Therefore I used "[mM]" instead of "m" alone and "[aA]" instead of "a" alone as wildcards because it will work for both upper and lower case. Finally I want to add "mp3" to the end of the string which results in "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" and the quotes are added just in case there are spaces within the original file name. If that explanation wasn't good enough, feel free to ask again. > It should be possible with some sed script to. Well, if you speak sed that is certainly possible but that would unnecessarily start sed for every filename :) Nils From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 12 11:34:00 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:34:00 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810121334.00276.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Sunday 12 October 2008 13:20:35 schreef Steve Lamb: >   Are you using the OSE or PEUL version?  OSE does not have USB support. > PEUL version does. I have no Idea, it doesnot say in About, only Sun xVM Virtualbox GUI 2.0.2 -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 12 11:48:07 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:48:07 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810121348.08028.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Sunday 12 October 2008 13:20:35 schreef Steve Lamb: > Are you using the OSE or PEUL version?  OSE does not have USB support. > PEUL version does. I presume OSE. So what alternatives do I have? KVM seems not to work (starting KVM brings a small terminal screen showing. kvm.kss with changing characters all over. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From basroufs at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 12:29:13 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:29:13 +0200 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: References: <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810072227.55927.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <48F1ED99.3050309@gmail.com> > > > Unfortunately, this whole process is for a RedHat machine (so .rpm). > Secondly, as I mentioned in my earlier mails on this thread, I do not > have root access on this machine. I agree, I need to be root to > install a packages globally. BUT why do I need root access to build a > .rpm from the source code??? > > To the latter question, I cannot give a clear answer. However, I found out some months ago how to generate a 'list of installed files' on one Kubuntu machine in order to get the same software package on another one. I hope the instructions below are useful for you. Someone gave me useful instructions via the Ubuntu user group. I took over the command chains mentioned by him. But instead of 'ubuntu-files', I generated and used 'kubuntu files'. However it may be: open a console terminal. In my case, I saw this at the black screen: bas at Viaconsensus1: ~$ 'bas' is my user name, 'Viaconsensus1' is the name of the computer. Than type a set of command codes: ~$ sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > kubuntu-files Or better: select this whole command chain from this message. Afterwords, go back to your console terminal and press the TWO buttons of your mouse TOGETHER and AT THE SAME MOMENT. That is the way to EXACTLY copy this chain of UNIX commands into your terminal. One single detail error ('typo') is enough to block everything - so be sure to EXACTLY copy this whole command so. After doing so, I saw the following on the screen in my case: bas at Viaconsensus1 :~$ sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > kubuntu-files Confirm the set of command codes as follows: press the enter button at the key board type your password for sudo press again the enter button. By doing so, you wilI generate a script which you can find in the home directory: 'kubuntu-files'. Now, look for that file via Konqueror or Dolphin. Then, use e.g. Kate to open and read it. And indeed: you will see the WHOLE long list of software installed at your PC along with Kubuntu. The next step is making back-ups of 'kubuntu-files', a quite small file. I put it at the USB stick and I e-mailed it as an attachment to my own GMAIL address. Afterwords I started Kubuntu at my laptop and put my USB stick in an USB port of that machine. Via Konqueror or Dolphin I copied 'kubuntu-files' to the home directory of the laptop. Than I opened a shell console at the laptop. There I saw the following at the screen: bas at Viaconsensus2 : .... and each time a set of command codes next to it. ('viaconsensus2' was the name I gave to the laptop.) Now, first check weather you already installed 'dselect', a little piece of software meant to help you to install software via a console terminal. If you do not have yet 'dselect', use the following commands to install it: sudo apt-get install dselect Afterwords, confirm by means of the Enter key at your key board and allow dselect to be installed. Than, type the following chain of commands: sudo apt-get update (enter, password, enter) sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (enter, password, enter) sudo dpkg --set-selections < kubuntu-files (enter, password, enter) sudo dselect (enter, password, enter) Than choose the THIRD option: install 'preselected packages'. 'Preselected packages' means in this case: the 'kubuntu-files'. !!! Especially if you need to 'update' a bigger amount of software packages, the UNIX command "sudo apt-get update" works better than the daily updates from ADEPT manager'!!! Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Oct 12 12:48:14 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:48:14 -0400 Subject: telephone app In-Reply-To: References: <200810100906.12882.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200810120848.14827.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 10 October 2008 9:43:46 am Frans wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:06:12 -0400, David McGlone wrote: > > I've been looking for 2 days for an app that I can use with my home > > phone to make and receive telephone calls, possibly even set up an > > answer machine, but I can't find anything. Everywhere I look everything > > is ISDN or internet telephone, but nothing for just a plain ol' landline > > phone. > > > > any suggestions? > > Am I missing something here? > > > > David M. > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/hardy/mgetty might be what you want, but > AFAIK its success as a voice modem application depends largely on the > modem used. Thanks Jordi and Frans. I gave up on this idea. The modem and all works fine, I just can't find a decent app frontend to use to make voice calls. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Oct 12 13:15:01 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:15:01 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111042.24586.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810110609.12489.d.mcglone@att.net> <200810111042.24586.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200810120915.01598.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 11 October 2008 10:42:24 am Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 11 October 2008, David McGlone wrote: > >On Friday 10 October 2008 11:07:40 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Friday 10 October 2008, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> >Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> >> On Friday 10 October 2008 16:34:16 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> >>> On 10/10/2008 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> >>>> (And I myself had to edit what I had originally said about my > >> >>>> nationality, > >> >>>> since it might have offended citizens of the United States.) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Lisi > >> >>> > >> >>> One thing I have learned over time is no matter what your going to > >> >>> offend someone along the way. As you grow older you learn not to > >> >>> let it bother you if you do. > >> >> > >> >> I can't agree. I used to care less than I do. But as I got older I > >> >> have learnt to respect other people's feelings more. If I can > >> >> reasonably manage it, and provided of course that I am not so angry > >> >> that I would be pleased if I gave offence ;-), I try to avoid giving > >> >> offence. This does not mean that I always succeed, of course. > >> >> > >> >> Lisi > >> > > >> >You aren't old enough yet. *<]:oD > >> > >> You beat me to it Billie. Lisi needs to have a little more confidence > >> when she knows she is right. I would guess Lisi at 1/3rd my age, and > >> no, I'm not bucking for a quarter, I'm just that old. > > > >He's so old he farts dust! ;-) > > Not yet David. But often when I offer advice because its a problem I have > seen & know the first answer to, I do come across as a bit gruff and > arbitrary. That isn't trying to be obnoxious, its just because I have been > there and done that, sometimes even buying the T-shirt too. :) > > Having chased electrons for well over 60 years for a living now, there > isn't too much I haven't seen at least once with gear old enough to have a > history. But the new stuff I have to ask about on these lists just like > everyone else. :) I understand what you're saying Gene. I'm pushing 40 and sometimes I do the same thing. -- David M. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 13:28:09 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:28:09 +1000 Subject: 8.10 impressions Message-ID: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Well, since I managed hose my package dependencies and nuke my KDE setup (hint: don't use the Citadel hardy repo to install Citadel) I thought I'd give the Intrepid Beta a try. My home directory resides on a separate hard disk so its relatively easy. The CD install is easier than ever, no difficulties with hardware etc. The manual partition setup made it very easy to select my second hard disk for the home directory without formating it, while erasing my old hardy primary install. From CDROM boot to up and running with a new install was 15 minutes, amazingly fast and straightforward. My sound, network, usb printer, keyboard and mouse were all correctly detected – particularly impressed with the printer detection, even got the exact model (Samsung ML2010). I was browsing the web right away, no doubt this was far faster than I could have with XP or Vista. My LCD was being driven in native 1280x104 (VESA mode?) Of course my onboard nvidia 6100 was not configured but I managed to enable it via the restricted hardware applet. Had to hunt for that through the menus and it failed the first time. Second time was fine. Nice new feature in the restricted dialog, like envy it gives you a choice of driver versions, for now 173, 177 (recommended) and 96. Install Scores out of 10: ---------------------------------- Ease of Use : 10 Hardware Detection : 9 (Would be 10 if Canonical could auto setup restricted drivers). Newbie friendliness : 9.5 Its really that good – I am way impressed. Anyone casually familiar with computers could be up and running with minimal to no hand holding – so long as they had non funky hardware :) But that applies to every system. Desktop ----------- I erased my Hardy .kde & .kde4 entries, I wanted a fresh setup – don't know how well they would have migrated. It is KDE 4.1.2 of course, plasma through and through. I've got quite used to it, definitely way more usable than 4.0. I actually quite like the new menu now. Still sucks finding programs on it but once you get your favourites setup that's not such an issue. I'm a command line junkie anyway. There's a decent set of plasmoid's in the repos now, but you have to know how to search for them (apt-cache search plasmoid) and how to configure them. I think there's a need for a plasmoid wizard here. Kontact – still has all the same old bugs as ever, or more accurately Kmail does. IMAP works so long as you don't stress it. Forget about using the groupware features for anything except contacts. However it does look great and integrates well. And Aggregator is brilliant. Hardware ------------- Well all my hardware worked fine :) but nothing fancy there. However one big improvement which I presume is down to the new kernel – for the first time ever with my board sound still works after a hibernate or suspend. In fact Amarok resumes playing perfectly after a restore. This means I may never reboot again :) Over all I'm really pleased with this release, normally I don't run beta's on my desktop but this has been well worth it. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:36:00 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:36:00 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810121348.08028.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> <200810121348.08028.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <18bb29490810120636s54382124i61273c18e5ea3dfe@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/12 Peter Klaassen : > Op Sunday 12 October 2008 13:20:35 schreef Steve Lamb: >> Are you using the OSE or PEUL version? OSE does not have USB support. >> PEUL version does. > > I presume OSE. So what alternatives do I have? Install the so called non-GPL version. (www.virtualbox.de) -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:46:19 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:46:19 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Well, since I managed hose my package dependencies and nuke my KDE setup > (hint: don't use the Citadel hardy repo to install Citadel) I thought I'd give > the Intrepid Beta a try. My home directory resides on a separate hard disk so > its relatively easy. > > The CD install is easier than ever, no difficulties with hardware etc. The > manual partition setup made it very easy to select my second hard disk for the > home directory without formating it, while erasing my old hardy primary > install. From CDROM boot to up and running with a new install was 15 minutes, > amazingly fast and straightforward. My sound, network, usb printer, keyboard > and mouse were all correctly detected – particularly impressed with the > printer detection, even got the exact model (Samsung ML2010). I was browsing > the web right away, no doubt this was far faster than I could have with XP or > Vista. > > My LCD was being driven in native 1280x104 (VESA mode?) Of course my onboard > nvidia 6100 was not configured but I managed to enable it via the restricted > hardware applet. Had to hunt for that through the menus and it failed the first > time. Second time was fine. > > Nice new feature in the restricted dialog, like envy it gives you a choice of > driver versions, for now 173, 177 (recommended) and 96. > > Install Scores out of 10: > ---------------------------------- > Ease of Use : 10 > Hardware Detection : 9 (Would be 10 if Canonical could auto setup restricted > drivers). > Newbie friendliness : 9.5 > > Its really that good – I am way impressed. Anyone casually familiar with > computers could be up and running with minimal to no hand holding – so long as > they had non funky hardware :) But that applies to every system. > > Desktop > ----------- > I erased my Hardy .kde & .kde4 entries, I wanted a fresh setup – don't know > how well they would have migrated. > It is KDE 4.1.2 of course, plasma through and through. I've got quite used to > it, definitely way more usable than 4.0. I actually quite like the new menu > now. Still sucks finding programs on it but once you get your favourites setup > that's not such an issue. I'm a command line junkie anyway. > > There's a decent set of plasmoid's in the repos now, but you have to know how > to search for them (apt-cache search plasmoid) and how to configure them. I > think there's a need for a plasmoid wizard here. > > Kontact – still has all the same old bugs as ever, or more accurately Kmail > does. IMAP works so long as you don't stress it. Forget about using the > groupware features for anything except contacts. However it does look great > and integrates well. And Aggregator is brilliant. > > Hardware > ------------- > Well all my hardware worked fine :) but nothing fancy there. However one big > improvement which I presume is down to the new kernel – for the first time ever > with my board sound still works after a hibernate or suspend. In fact Amarok > resumes playing perfectly after a restore. This means I may never reboot again > :) > > Over all I'm really pleased with this release, normally I don't run beta's on > my desktop but this has been well worth it. > > -- > Lindsay > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album Sounds really good. I am still holding out hope that the devs make this look good. In about 2 weeks I am going to try to install it to my brothers laptop guiding him over the internet (There are no details about the laptop because it is not standard and getting info out of xp is not something I am good at). Not easy to do! In the past this has not worked out because the CD will not boot is system. Anyone have a check list for booting a really hard to boot system. As in try this, and if not that then this, etc? I would be a real help. I am thinking of just having him use the alt CD to hopefully avoid problems. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:51:02 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:51:02 +0300 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48F200C6.4040907@gmail.com> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Well, since I managed hose my package dependencies and nuke my KDE setup > (hint: don't use the Citadel hardy repo to install Citadel) I thought I'd give > the Intrepid Beta a try. My home directory resides on a separate hard disk so > its relatively easy. > > The CD install is easier than ever, no difficulties with hardware etc. The > manual partition setup made it very easy to select my second hard disk for the > home directory without formating it, while erasing my old hardy primary > install. From CDROM boot to up and running with a new install was 15 minutes, > amazingly fast and straightforward. My sound, network, usb printer, keyboard > and mouse were all correctly detected – particularly impressed with the > printer detection, even got the exact model (Samsung ML2010). I was browsing > the web right away, no doubt this was far faster than I could have with XP or > Vista. > > My LCD was being driven in native 1280x104 (VESA mode?) Of course my onboard > nvidia 6100 was not configured but I managed to enable it via the restricted > hardware applet. Had to hunt for that through the menus and it failed the first > time. Second time was fine. > > Nice new feature in the restricted dialog, like envy it gives you a choice of > driver versions, for now 173, 177 (recommended) and 96. > > Install Scores out of 10: > ---------------------------------- > Ease of Use : 10 > Hardware Detection : 9 (Would be 10 if Canonical could auto setup restricted > drivers). > Newbie friendliness : 9.5 > > Its really that good – I am way impressed. Anyone casually familiar with > computers could be up and running with minimal to no hand holding – so long as > they had non funky hardware :) But that applies to every system. > > Desktop > ----------- > I erased my Hardy .kde & .kde4 entries, I wanted a fresh setup – don't know > how well they would have migrated. > It is KDE 4.1.2 of course, plasma through and through. I've got quite used to > it, definitely way more usable than 4.0. I actually quite like the new menu > now. Still sucks finding programs on it but once you get your favourites setup > that's not such an issue. I'm a command line junkie anyway. > > There's a decent set of plasmoid's in the repos now, but you have to know how > to search for them (apt-cache search plasmoid) and how to configure them. I > think there's a need for a plasmoid wizard here. > > Kontact – still has all the same old bugs as ever, or more accurately Kmail > does. IMAP works so long as you don't stress it. Forget about using the > groupware features for anything except contacts. However it does look great > and integrates well. And Aggregator is brilliant. > > Hardware > ------------- > Well all my hardware worked fine :) but nothing fancy there. However one big > improvement which I presume is down to the new kernel – for the first time ever > with my board sound still works after a hibernate or suspend. In fact Amarok > resumes playing perfectly after a restore. This means I may never reboot again > :) > > Over all I'm really pleased with this release, normally I don't run beta's on > my desktop but this has been well worth it. > I'm glad everything is working fine for you, Lindsay, we surely need someone complimenting rather than just complaining about intrepid. my experience with Intrepid wasn't as easy as yours, but then, i started with alpha5, and back then, specifically in that alpha, jockey (the restricted drivers manager) was broken, and i had to do some manual digging to get my nVidia set up. Sound was never an issue for me in any version of *buntu. People might remember that i said intrepid is the first version of kubuntu to allow me to hibernate. well, now it won't anymore. i type sudo pm-hibernate in konsole, the screen goes back to some TTY, and i get an error that no swap was found. i have 2 GB of swap, and the system is well aware of them, and "cat /proc/swaps" shows me that this swap partition is being used. but hibernate can't seem to find it :( other than that, i have no problems except for some rendering glitches. specially when there is a non-qt (non-KDE?) app running, like thunderbird, wine, and few others. plasmoids are amusing, and can be quite helpful. i compiled the winembed plasmoid i found somewhere on the net, which lets me embed a window into a plasmoid on the desktop. i find this the most useful plasmoid. i mainly keep 2 of it, one for kopete, the other for konsole. The new menu is also nice, i don't mind the extra 2 clicks for accessing a lot of stuff, but once the favourites are set up, it becomes real handy. the quick access plasmoid, usually comes by default in the bottom panel and pointing to the home directory, i find this plasmoid very helpful, and i always browse my home directory through it, and open my files from there, since dolphin is a pain in the a** for browsing. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Oct 12 14:18:44 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:18:44 +0200 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0809211649l562e5daew795653de62e07f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/22 John DeCarlo : >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:51 PM, uriah heep wrote: >>> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one >>> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >>> business. >> I agree with those who say that software RAID is the way to go. Much safer, >> more reliable, cheaper >> > > I don't agree with you that a software RAID should be safer and more > reliable than a real hardware RAID, it's one more layer that can mess > things up if your are unlucky, but it's much cheaper and that could > make it worth it depending how value your data is. If your data has any value, you better have a good backup. Linux Software Raid is a proven, very good alternative, and according to measurements from my favourite PC magazine (ct in germany) it almost always works at marginally the same speed as real hardware raid, as long as your CPU is not strangled by other heavy loads. In contrast, software raid has its advantage, when you come to change hardware. Should your motherboard or hardware controller go south, you will not succeed without a replacement unit. With software raid, you simply install the same raid on the new computer and on you go. > > / Jonas > I would like to add to it now that I learned a few things. While Linux supports a lot of "fake raid" chipsets, it does so by using dmraid without any special "drivers" for the chipset on which it runs. At first, this may look like a disadvantage against windows, where any mobo manufacturer has its own driver disk. But it is in fact a huge advantage. When a windows fake raid dies and you cannot get the same motherboard or at least a mobo with a compatible fake raid, you will NOT have any access to your data anymore. This is true, except for Linux dmraid. As long as the original chipset was supported by dmraid (not any chipset is supported!) you can use dmraid to rebuild the raid in software even on a machine that has no "hardware" raid capabilities at all. Thus, dmraid opens up your disks for data access, again. So you "only" lost your data, if dmraid does not support your original setup. Not bad for a software solution, I think. Kind regards Eberhard From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Oct 12 14:38:12 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:38:12 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 >>> to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 >>> year old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all >>> the same age for people to "belong"?? >>> >>> Lisi >>> >> They don't Lisi, and that's the point. >> > > Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he didn't > belong because you and I are so ancient. > > Lisi > > Willy should enjoy it now. Youth is way to short. Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. A friend of mine say it's not the age that matters it's the mileage. I'm one owner high mileage. I'm like an old broke down horse. Been rode hard and put away wet. The object is not to arrive at the pearly gates in perfect, pristine, condition. The object is to slide in head first, broke down, burned out, used up, and screaming "Man what a ride!" You know, it's funny. I don't really feel old in my head [ does that make any sense at all ]. I mean my body is "old" and not able to do as many things as it used to but my brain keeps saying "you can do it" but the body says "not on your nelly". And when my brain does talk my body into doing something I pay for it for three or four days afterwards. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 14:55:38 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:55:38 +0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48F20FEA.1030103@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >>>> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from 14 >>>> to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet 9 >>>> year old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be all >>>> the same age for people to "belong"?? >>>> >>>> Lisi >>>> >>> They don't Lisi, and that's the point. >>> >> Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he didn't >> belong because you and I are so ancient. >> >> Lisi >> >> > > Willy should enjoy it now. Youth is way to short. > > Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. > > A friend of mine say it's not the age that matters it's the mileage. I'm > one owner high mileage. > > I'm like an old broke down horse. Been rode hard and put away wet. > > The object is not to arrive at the pearly gates in perfect, pristine, > condition. The object is to slide in head first, broke down, burned out, > used up, and screaming "Man what a ride!" > > You know, it's funny. I don't really feel old in my head [ does that > make any sense at all ]. I mean my body is "old" and not able to do as > many things as it used to but my brain keeps saying "you can do it" but > the body says "not on your nelly". And when my brain does talk my body > into doing something I pay for it for three or four days afterwards. > yes, it actually makes me feel a lot better, seeing how much you've been through. i think the problem was the at first, the shock i got to realize there are people your age on this mailing list, while i have been writing emails all this time assuming I'm talking to young people. and i was thinking like, omg, these are people way older than me, perhaps i should have addressed them in a different way? what if one of my emails was considered rude when addressed to someone their age? but then, come to think about it, it makes me feel a lot better now, knowing I'm not always talking with young people with no experience, specially, that when I'm talking to someone my age, i assume that this person, like me, knows all his stuff from this short time experimenting, the way i learn. whereas older people, take their experience from years and years of using the same program, through it's many versions. i like how you, Billie, describe the arrival at the pearly gates :P yes, people need to enjoy their life to the fullest. I'm only 21, and i already have loads of regrets about my teenage, that's when i decided (about a year and a half ago) that i want to enjoy my life, and live everyday like there's no tomorrow. :) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 15:01:19 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:01:19 +0100 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810121601.19820.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Sunday 12 October 2008 15:38:12 Billie Walsh wrote: > You know, it's funny. I don't really feel old in my head [ does that > make any sense at all ]. You express it far better than I have ever succeeded in doing! :-) Lisi From pwpatter at mchsi.com Sun Oct 12 15:26:54 2008 From: pwpatter at mchsi.com (Pat Patterson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:26:54 -0500 Subject: Servers 101 In-Reply-To: <48F169A2.7080005@swbell.net> References: <48EFFF06.9040004@swbell.net> <200810102143.08868.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F01636.7020801@swbell.net> <200810111146.31976.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <15edeae40810110851x57f3886co815c0979bf4d88ad@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40810110852s4ed014e7nb3ca587b86092190@mail.gmail.com> <48F169A2.7080005@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48F2173E.4000302@mchsi.com> >> >> > I thought I was the only person that had those problems. > > Thank you. I will check it out. > > One suggestion would be to set up a file server in an out building such as a garage. I have such a setup in my shop. This give me internet access when I am out but the main reason for having it is that I backup all our data, pics etc, in case of a house fire. Just a regular Kubuntu box with samba enabled. Mine is wired but you could do the same with wireless if you have the range. Pat From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Oct 12 15:47:30 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:47:30 -0500 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48F21C12.2080605@swbell.net> On 10/12/2008 Knapp wrote: > Sounds really good. I am still holding out hope that the devs make > this look good. > > In about 2 weeks I am going to try to install it to my brothers laptop > guiding him over the internet (There are no details about the laptop > because it is not standard and getting info out of xp is not something > I am good at). Not easy to do! In the past this has not worked out > because the CD will not boot is system. > > Anyone have a check list for booting a really hard to boot system. As > in try this, and if not that then this, etc? I would be a real help. I > am thinking of just having him use the alt CD to hopefully avoid > problems. OK, really stupid questions. Does the CD drive have any known issues? [ plays music etc. just fine ] Has he checked the bios to see: The machine will boot from CD. Most will but ............... The CD is set higher on the boot order than the hard drive. Perhaps run one of those CD cleaner disks in it. If his is like mine it doesn't get a LOT of use and dust sometimes collects. Blow it out with some compressed-air-in-a-can. My eMachine has a built in boot loader sort of thing in the bios that lets me choose which drive I want to boot from regardless of above settings. I push F10 at a certain point and it gives me a list of available devices, internal and external, to choose from. [ Kind of a nice feature sometimes - wish all had that. ] -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sun Oct 12 16:22:18 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:22:18 -0700 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <18bb29490810120636s54382124i61273c18e5ea3dfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121348.08028.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <18bb29490810120636s54382124i61273c18e5ea3dfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810120922.19165.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Sunday 12 October 2008 06:36:00 am Ulrich Grün wrote: > 2008/10/12 Peter Klaassen : > > Op Sunday 12 October 2008 13:20:35 schreef Steve Lamb: > >> Are you using the OSE or PEUL version? OSE does not have USB support. > >> PEUL version does. > > > > I presume OSE. So what alternatives do I have? > I went to the webpage, I am assuming the PEUL is the "closed source" edition they give the details for at the bottom of the page? Larry From rick_knight at rlknight.com Sun Oct 12 16:44:58 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:44:58 -0700 Subject: No audible mail notification in T'bird after upgrade to 8.04 Message-ID: <48F2298A.4050405@rlknight.com> Prior to upgrading to 8.04, my audible email notifications from Thunderbird worked fine. After the upgrade, none of the KDE sound files work in Thunderbird. I have discovered that the Alsa sound files in /usr/share/sounds/alsa/ do work. How can I get the KDE sounds to work? Thanks, Rick From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Oct 12 16:42:17 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:42:17 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F20FEA.1030103@gmail.com> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810111905.36374.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200810111931.47471.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> <48F20FEA.1030103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F228E9.405@swbell.net> On 10/12/2008 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > yes, it actually makes me feel a lot better, seeing how much you've > been > through. i think the problem was the at first, the shock i got to > realize there are people your age on this mailing list, while i have > been writing emails all this time assuming I'm talking to young > people. > and i was thinking like, omg, these are people way older than me, > perhaps i should have addressed them in a different way? what if one > of > my emails was considered rude when addressed to someone their age? > but then, come to think about it, it makes me feel a lot better now, > knowing I'm not always talking with young people with no experience, > specially, that when I'm talking to someone my age, i assume that this > person, like me, knows all his stuff from this short time > experimenting, > the way i learn. whereas older people, take their experience from > years > and years of using the same program, through it's many versions. > i like how you, Billie, describe the arrival at the pearly gates :P > yes, > people need to enjoy their life to the fullest. I'm only 21, and i > already have loads of regrets about my teenage, that's when i decided > (about a year and a half ago) that i want to enjoy my life, and live > everyday like there's no tomorrow. :) Willy, don't be afraid of life. Live to it's fullest. Enjoy it. Revel in it. BUT, remember one thing. All the really stupid things you do now you will pay for later. It's kind of like using a charge card. You get to enjoy your new toy now but the bill comes at the end of the month. A couple years ago my back was bothering me so bad I finally went to the doctor. I told him I was afraid I was paying for the sins of my youth. He looked at me kind of funny. So I said, let me put it this way. I can tell you for a fact that a three foot snow drift, no matter how soft it looks, will NOT break the fall of a nine year old jumping off the roof [ I could barely walk for a week after that one ]. After x-rays and MRI's he told me that my lower back is jacked up [ like I couldn't tell that already ]. The only thing to do is learn to live with it. [ thanks doc - just keep those loritab prescriptions coming ] Every once in a while something will sit down firmly on my sciatic nerve [ now THAT gives a whole new meaning to the word thrill ]. I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr. Dean Edell. He has a talk radio show where he answers questions people send in. One person asked if eating right and excersize would let you really live longer. His answer was "Absolutely. It's a proven fact. BUT, where will those years be added. In the middle of your life where you can enjoy them. NO. At the end of your life when your living in a nursing home pooping in a diaper. " I guess my point is to enjoy your youth now. Live it without regret. But, don't flame out to early. At your age, by the time you get to mine theres no telling what medical miracles they will be able to perform. You might get to live to well over a hundred. Save some of that living to enjoy then. Another thing that is VERY important. If you love someone tell them as often as you can. Even if your just running down to the corner store. It's possible that those may be the last words that person ever hears you say. OK, I'll stop preaching at you now.. *<]:oD As far as Linux goes you may be older than me [ at least in terms of experience ]. I'm one of the "new kids on the block" I've only been using it about three or four years. You may be able to teach this old dog some new tricks. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From slewin at bmts.com Sun Oct 12 16:44:55 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:44:55 -0400 Subject: Net Neutrality Message-ID: <48F22987.1060107@bmts.com> Interesting link http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17275 -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 16:45:01 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:45:01 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: <48F21C12.2080605@swbell.net> References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <48F21C12.2080605@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 10/12/2008 Knapp wrote: >> Sounds really good. I am still holding out hope that the devs make >> this look good. >> >> In about 2 weeks I am going to try to install it to my brothers laptop >> guiding him over the internet (There are no details about the laptop >> because it is not standard and getting info out of xp is not something >> I am good at). Not easy to do! In the past this has not worked out >> because the CD will not boot is system. >> >> Anyone have a check list for booting a really hard to boot system. As >> in try this, and if not that then this, etc? I would be a real help. I >> am thinking of just having him use the alt CD to hopefully avoid >> problems. > > OK, really stupid questions. > > Does the CD drive have any known issues? [ plays music etc. just fine ] > Has he checked the bios to see: > The machine will boot from CD. Most will but ............... > The CD is set higher on the boot order than the hard drive. > > Perhaps run one of those CD cleaner disks in it. If his is like mine it > doesn't get a LOT of use and dust sometimes collects. Blow it out with > some compressed-air-in-a-can. > > My eMachine has a built in boot loader sort of thing in the bios that > lets me choose which drive I want to boot from regardless of above > settings. I push F10 at a certain point and it gives me a list of > available devices, internal and external, to choose from. [ Kind of a > nice feature sometimes - wish all had that. ] > This seems to be more on the order of pick boot method from the linux list of choices and then hangs sort of problem. Thanks though! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 16:51:26 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:51:26 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810111031.08296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <884479.13451.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7011AC30-ACFE-4FAD-834E-39BFB04B82B7@gmail.com> <200810090938.33747.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200810111031.08296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810120951o1c148ccfo2143de81434e6cb1@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 October 2008, Art Alexion wrote: >>On Thursday 09 October 2008 5:56:35 am Art Alexion wrote: >>> > Ok, reverse the debate: I have never had Amarok crash on me...ever. >>> > Kmail crashed once a month ago. I use both 12 hours a day, with hard- >>> > core usage and email going back to 1994 in 200 folders, and 30gb of >>> > music. Do I disbelieve you? Nope, just glad it ain't me having the >>> > crashes. I would encourage you to launch from the command line and >>> > look for a reason that kmail crashes...might be something easy to >>> > debug or easy to report. >>> >>> Amarok crashes on me twice a day. Kmail 3.5.10 crashes thrice daily. >>> 3.9.9 never crashed that I recall. >> >>This is the greeting from my computer this morning > > I would submit that you have hardware problems. Bad memory or ?? Slowed fan > on the cpu or its cooler clogged with dust bunnies? Possible, but that would mean the hardware failure coincided with the 3.5.9 > 3.5.10 update. > > Uptimes here rarely exceed 10 days cuz I follow the kernel -rc series, but I > can't recall the last time kmail crashed. Currently running 3.5.10-1 from > the F8 repo. > > The biggest problem I have here is that kde seems to have alzheimers when it > comes to remembering the screen blanker and monitor powerdown settings, so I > have to change something by 1 minute and refresh those settings every other > day or so. I don't have that problem. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 17:00:38 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:00:38 -0400 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810101436.34815.art.alexion@gmail.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810121000x40198d44vf87597ba40df1636@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Melanie wrote: > Do Americans still buy their liquor in "fifths"? Yes, depending on your age. They are really 750 ml, and half gallons are really 1.75 L. I don't think younger people still call them fifths, but the liquor store employees still seem to. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 17:08:38 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:08:38 -0400 Subject: avi files In-Reply-To: <200810121158.24470.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> References: <200810121246.59741.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121158.24470.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810121008h2b4de80fy33a608a4bccf782f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Richard Ibbotson wrote: > Peter > >> What makes .avi play under Kubuntu Linux HH 8.04? >> Or do they have to me altered to another extension? >> I have installed the medibuntu repo in my resources. > > Just about anything. Xine, Gxine, VLC Mediaplayer, Mplayer. You can > convert between formats with Kino. 'sudo apt-get install kino' at the > command line or 'sudo apt-cache search xine-ui'. Or, 'sudo apt-cache > show vlc'. Also, 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' > might give you a sound driver that is not installed. > > See also 'sudo apt-cache search video' Keep in mind that avi is just a container which can store any of a number of codecs. This is why some avi play better than others. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From rscrawford at mossroot.com Sun Oct 12 17:32:05 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:32:05 -0700 Subject: GTK colors in KDE4 Message-ID: <200810121032.05502.rscrawford@mossroot.com> My GTK apps (Firefox, etc.) under KDE4 have the right styles and fonts, but I can't seem to apply KDE colors to them. I've checked the "Apply colors to non- KDE4 applications in the "Colors" section under System Settngs->Appearance, but this didn't do it. Any ideas, anyone? -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 12 18:37:41 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:37:41 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810120922.19165.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <18bb29490810120636s54382124i61273c18e5ea3dfe@mail.gmail.com> <200810120922.19165.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200810122037.41891.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Sunday 12 October 2008 18:22:18 schreef Larry Hartman: > I went to the webpage, I am assuming the PEUL is the "closed source" > edition they give the details for at the bottom of the page? Larry, it's indeed puel edition (mentioned in the toptext) I downloaded 2.0.2 vor Linux hosts and than ubunto 8.04 with i386. but still no usb support -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From juankawada at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 18:40:55 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:40:55 -0600 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810121111.15047.kassube@gmx.net> <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: @ Mark, All the files are organized into folders by letter/band/album, and konqueror doesn't look through all that. @nils, I tried that in a test folder to see if it would work, and It found the m4a, converted it, and put an mp3 beside the m4a of the same name. problem is that the mp3 is 13 seconds of very loud static. Looks like this is either a problem with the settings I chose or with lame itself though. Heres my output. udyrfrykte at udyrfrykte-desktop:~$ find ~/Templates -iname "*.m4a" | while read fn;do lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done Assuming raw pcm input file LAME 3.97 64bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 19383 Hz - 19916 Hz Encoding /home/udyrfrykte/Templates/01 - Police Truck.m4a to /home/udyrfrykte/Templates/01 - Police Truck.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=0) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 5.7x) qval=2 Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 517/517 (100%)| 0:00/ 0:00| 0:00/ 0:00| 21.783x| 0:00 32 [ 4] * 160 [ 7] %% 192 [143] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 224 [361] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 256 [ 1] % 320 [ 1] % ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kbps LR MS % long switch short % 213.0 99.2 0.8 98.5 0.8 0.7 Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -11.9dB On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Jonas Norlander wrote: > > 2008/10/12 Nils Kassube : > > > You could try this: > > > > > > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" | while read fn;do > > > lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done > > > > Intresting. Do you mind explain the "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" part? I > > understand that it will replace m4a with mp3 but i don't understand > > how. > > The bash syntax ${fn%m4a} would result in the environment variable $fn > with m4a cut off from the end of the string. However this would only work > if the m4a part is lower case only. However the find option -iname would > also find files with upper case file names. Therefore I used "[mM]" > instead of "m" alone and "[aA]" instead of "a" alone as wildcards because > it will work for both upper and lower case. Finally I want to add "mp3" > to the end of the string which results in "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" and the > quotes are added just in case there are spaces within the original file > name. If that explanation wasn't good enough, feel free to ask again. > > > It should be possible with some sed script to. > > Well, if you speak sed that is certainly possible but that would > unnecessarily start sed for every filename :) > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 12 18:50:24 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:50:24 -0500 Subject: uable to load system description tables Message-ID: <200810121350.24848.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Hello all, I recently tried to upgrade to I I 8.10 I have an old Hewlett Packard Pavillion When I tried to upgrade to I.I. 8.10 I was asked to reboot. The result is after grub loading I get this message A 02811201 ACPI: unable to load systems descriptions tables. No matter which linux program I run (I tried to run the knoppix live dvd) I cannot start a session. Any help would be welcome kevin Jones From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Oct 12 19:04:14 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:04:14 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > Sounds really good. I am still holding out hope that the devs make > this look good. > > In about 2 weeks I am going to try to install it to my brothers laptop > guiding him over the internet (There are no details about the laptop > because it is not standard and getting info out of xp is not something > I am good at). Not easy to do! In the past this has not worked out > because the CD will not boot is system. > > Anyone have a check list for booting a really hard to boot system. As > in try this, and if not that then this, etc? I would be a real help. I > am thinking of just having him use the alt CD to hopefully avoid > problems. If the CD Drive is working, just not booting, there is a sure cure for it: Smart Bootmanager. This is bootet AFTER Bios from the mbr and then offers a menu that let's you decide where to boot from. Up to now, I still have to find a computer that does not boot from CD with this. Even the very first compaq PI/75hz Laptop models, that did not even know that you can boot from CD, boot Linux from CDRom with smart bootmanager. Recently it worked wonders for me on a PIII/733 that had a proper BIOS entry to first boot from CD but for the heart of me I could not make it work. After installing smart bootmanager, this one now boots Microsoft ERD, RIP Linux and anything else from CD. http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ The install from DOS or Linux takes 30 seconds, removal is dead easy and it works from harddisk and from floppy (should your laptop be one of the very few models that can use a floppy and CD, simultaneously. It would be perfect if it could make usb boot possible. However, whenever you need to boot from your internal CD and can't, try this one and you can. kind regards Eberhard From joantur at cancullet.org Sun Oct 12 19:27:04 2008 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:27:04 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810122037.41891.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810120922.19165.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200810122037.41891.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810122127.06839.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Diumenge, 12 de Octubre de 2008, en Peter Klaassen va escriure: | Op Sunday 12 October 2008 18:22:18 schreef Larry Hartman: | > I went to the webpage, I am assuming the PEUL is the "closed source" | > edition they give the details for at the bottom of the page? | | Larry, | | it's indeed puel edition (mentioned in the toptext) | I downloaded 2.0.2 vor Linux hosts and than ubunto 8.04 with i386. | | but still no usb support Have you had a look at the FAQ? http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Oct 12 19:43:55 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:43:55 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810122143.55471.kassube@gmx.net> Juan Kawada wrote: > @nils, I tried that in a test folder to see if it would work, and It > found the m4a, converted it, and put an mp3 beside the m4a of the same > name. problem is that the mp3 is 13 seconds of very loud static. > Looks like this is either a problem with the settings I chose or with > lame itself though. Heres my output. > > udyrfrykte at udyrfrykte-desktop:~$ find ~/Templates -iname "*.m4a" | > while read fn;do lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" > "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done > Assuming raw pcm input file Because of that last line I suppose lame can't decode m4a files. As I don't have any m4a files myself, I couldn't test it and I thought you had already verified that lame could convert your files with the command you posted. But I can't tell you which program you could use instead of lame to do the conversion. Maybe you could try the soundconverter package mentioned in the forum thread you posted. Nils From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 12 20:33:03 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:33:03 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810122127.06839.joantur@cancullet.org> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810122037.41891.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810122127.06839.joantur@cancullet.org> Message-ID: <200810122233.03111.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Sunday 12 October 2008 21:27:04 schreef Joan Tur: > Have you had a look at the FAQ? > > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ yes and worked that way, but no result /proc/bus/usb/ has been made quote USB on Ubuntu/Gutsy: Ubuntu removed support for /proc/bus/usb/*. We will address this issue in the future. Until this, edit the script `/etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh and activate the four lines around line 40 (Magic to make /proc/bus/usb work). Then execute /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh start From now on, there should be a directory /proc/bus/usb/ and the device entries below should be accessible by any user. unquote -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 21:03:58 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:03:58 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810121703.58158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: >>>> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from >>>> 14 to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet >>>> 9 year old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be >>>> all the same age for people to "belong"?? >>>> >>>> Lisi >>> >>> They don't Lisi, and that's the point. >> >> Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he >> didn't belong because you and I are so ancient. >> >> Lisi > >Willy should enjoy it now. Youth is way to short. > >Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. > >A friend of mine say it's not the age that matters it's the mileage. I'm >one owner high mileage. > >I'm like an old broke down horse. Been rode hard and put away wet. > >The object is not to arrive at the pearly gates in perfect, pristine, >condition. The object is to slide in head first, broke down, burned out, >used up, and screaming "Man what a ride!" You have it precisely, Billy. > >You know, it's funny. I don't really feel old in my head [ does that >make any sense at all ]. I mean my body is "old" and not able to do as >many things as it used to but my brain keeps saying "you can do it" but >the body says "not on your nelly". And when my brain does talk my body >into doing something I pay for it for three or four days afterwards. Boy do I know that one! But I keep trying anyway. It does help keep me out of the bars. But the resultant aches & pains can sure screw up what should be a good nights sleep when you are certifiably tired. ATM I'm building a woodworkers workbench, one intended to stay put when I clamp a piece of cherry to it and lay into it with a Bailey #7 jointer plane, which will leave that cherry optically flat IF the supporting bench is good. If its not solid, and allows the wood to move, then all bets are off and the piece is likely ruined. You don't want to ruin too much of it at $16 a bd/ft. >-- >Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) These PRESERVES should be FORCE-FED to PENTAGON OFFICIALS!! From basroufs at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 21:04:21 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:04:21 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> > > If the problem is solely the synaptic and adept, you could try to > reinstall both: > > sudo apt-get remove synaptic > sudo apt-get install synaptic > > (and the same goes for adept, of course) > > In the mean time, it became clear that there is a broader problem - whenever I need to give in my password in any KDE application, my password is not being recognised and the app. does simply not work. Greetings, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 21:41:15 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:41:15 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/12 Bas Roufs : <---> > In the mean time, it became clear that there is a broader problem - > whenever I need to give in my password in any KDE application, my > password is not being recognised and the app. does simply not work. But getting root access via 'sudo' does work? If not, there could be something wrong with the 'sudo'. In that case, the sudo-package might have to be reinstalled. Sometimes, a package gets broken, maybe because of broken dependencies, or of some other cause. For instance, my 'synaptic' didn't work properly anymore. I fixed that problem by reinstalling (after uninstalling) it's package and dependencies. BTW: has that strange tty-console problem of yours been solved? The problem that no tty shows up after boot up. It would mean two strange problems occurring simultaneously, maybe not completely accidental? -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From joantur at cancullet.org Sun Oct 12 22:24:20 2008 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:24:20 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810122233.03111.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810122127.06839.joantur@cancullet.org> <200810122233.03111.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810130024.22625.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Diumenge, 12 de Octubre de 2008, en Peter Klaassen va escriure: | Op Sunday 12 October 2008 21:27:04 schreef Joan Tur: | > Have you had a look at the FAQ? | > | > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ | | yes and worked that way, but no result | /proc/bus/usb/ has been made | | quote | USB on Ubuntu/Gutsy: Ubuntu removed support for /proc/bus/usb/*. We will | address this issue in the future. Until this, edit the script | `/etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh and activate the four lines around line 40 | (Magic to make /proc/bus/usb work). Then execute | | /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh start | | >From now on, there should be a directory /proc/bus/usb/ and the device | > entries | | below should be accessible by any user. | unquote | | -- | Peter | Registered Linux user # 458207 There's another suggestion: "If USB doesn't work, check your usbfs permissions. See "Troubleshooting" -> "Linux hosts" in the User Manual for a solution" You may still try that manual... Hope that helps ;) -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sundar.personal at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 22:25:19 2008 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:25:19 -0700 Subject: uable to load system description tables In-Reply-To: <200810121350.24848.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> References: <200810121350.24848.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin Jones wrote: > Hello all, > > I recently tried to upgrade to I I 8.10 > I have an old Hewlett Packard Pavillion > When I tried to upgrade to I.I. > 8.10 I was asked to reboot. > The result is after grub loading I get this message > > A 02811201 > ACPI: unable to load systems descriptions tables. > > No matter which linux program I run (I tried to run the knoppix live dvd) > I cannot start a session. > > Any help would be welcome > > kevin Jones > Try adding "acpi=force" or "acpi=off" to the kernel command line. I believe that if you have a BIOS from earlier than 2000, you need acpi=off Sundar. From juankawada at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 22:27:25 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:27:25 -0600 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: <200810122143.55471.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> <200810122143.55471.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: It turns out it was the encoder I was using. Mplayer instead of ffmpeg. Mplayer is always very inconsistent in everything i use it for, sometimes it'll work, sometimes it'll crash. well my files are converting, they play, and soon I won't have any more aac files! On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Juan Kawada wrote: > > @nils, I tried that in a test folder to see if it would work, and It > > found the m4a, converted it, and put an mp3 beside the m4a of the same > > name. problem is that the mp3 is 13 seconds of very loud static. > > Looks like this is either a problem with the settings I chose or with > > lame itself though. Heres my output. > > > > udyrfrykte at udyrfrykte-desktop:~$ find ~/Templates -iname "*.m4a" | > > while read fn;do lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" > > "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done > > Assuming raw pcm input file > > Because of that last line I suppose lame can't decode m4a files. As I > don't have any m4a files myself, I couldn't test it and I thought you had > already verified that lame could convert your files with the command you > posted. But I can't tell you which program you could use instead of lame > to do the conversion. Maybe you could try the soundconverter package > mentioned in the forum thread you posted. > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 22:43:24 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:43:24 +1000 Subject: Global Hot Key for suspend Intrepid 8.10 Message-ID: <200810130843.25155.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Anyone know how to assign a Global hot keg (e.g the power key) to pm_suspend in Intrepid? I'm mystified by the shortcut keys and commands which don't seem to be customisable or work for that matter. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 12 22:49:29 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:49:29 -0400 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810122233.03111.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810122127.06839.joantur@cancullet.org> <200810122233.03111.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810121849.29408.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > yes and worked that way, but no result > /proc/bus/usb/ has been made I have the latest vbox 2.0.2.0.2.0.2.0.2...... running on Hardy and the USB is working fine as it always did. But somewhere here I have a document that tells what to do to make it work. Will try to dig up the details.... stay tuned and have hope. (and I never had to define a /proc/bus/usb/) From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 12 23:06:48 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:06:48 -0400 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810121849.29408.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810122233.03111.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121849.29408.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810121906.48287.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Bruce Marshall wrote: > I have the latest vbox 2.0.2.0.2.0.2.0.2......    running on > Hardy and the USB is working fine as it always did.   But somewhere here I > have a document that tells what to do to make it work. > > Will try to dig up the details....    stay tuned and have hope. Ok, here at least for starters: The document: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690713 is the one I originally used to get USB working but things have changed a little since Gutsy. You want to start at the point where they tell you to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules and make your edit look like: # USB serial converters SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" GOTO="usb_serial_end" LABEL="usb_serial_start" ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", \ MODE="0666", GROUP="dialout" LABEL="usb_serial_end" under the section above in that file. The edit of file: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh looks to be the same as they tell you in the document. Let me know if you have problems. From rick_knight at rlknight.com Sun Oct 12 23:26:20 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:26:20 -0700 Subject: No audible mail notification in T'bird after upgrade to 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48F2298A.4050405@rlknight.com> References: <48F2298A.4050405@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <48F2879C.5030005@rlknight.com> Rick Knight wrote: > Prior to upgrading to 8.04, my audible email notifications from > Thunderbird worked fine. After the upgrade, none of the KDE sound files > work in Thunderbird. I have discovered that the Alsa sound files in > /usr/share/sounds/alsa/ do work. How can I get the KDE sounds to work? > > Thanks, > Rick > > Now I lost all KDE sound. I tried to install pulse-audio. It killed all my system sounds so I removed it. I still have no sound from KDE. I do have sound from terminal applications like mplayer. How can I get my KDE sounds back? Thanks, Rick From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Oct 13 03:14:11 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:14:11 -0700 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810121906.48287.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121849.29408.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810121906.48287.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810122014.12015.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Sunday 12 October 2008 04:06:48 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 12 October 2008, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > I have the latest vbox 2.0.2.0.2.0.2.0.2......    running on > > Hardy and the USB is working fine as it always did.   But somewhere here > > I have a document that tells what to do to make it work. > > > > Will try to dig up the details....    stay tuned and have hope. > > Ok, here at least for starters: > > The document: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690713 > > is the one I originally used to get USB working but things have changed a > little since Gutsy. > > You want to start at the point where they tell you to > edit /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules > > and make your edit look like: > > > # USB serial converters > SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" > SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" > GOTO="usb_serial_end" > LABEL="usb_serial_start" > ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", \ > MODE="0666", GROUP="dialout" > LABEL="usb_serial_end" The ATTRS line looks vendor specific, will this work on any hardware? Larry From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Oct 13 03:35:00 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:35:00 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810121703.58158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810120836.58205.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48F20BD4.9010502@swbell.net> <200810121703.58158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48F2C1E4.5090305@swbell.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: >>> >>>>> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age from >>>>> 14 to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd closet >>>>> 9 year old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need to be >>>>> all the same age for people to "belong"?? >>>>> >>>>> Lisi >>>>> >>>> They don't Lisi, and that's the point. >>>> >>> Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he >>> didn't belong because you and I are so ancient. >>> >>> Lisi >>> >> Willy should enjoy it now. Youth is way to short. >> >> Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. >> >> A friend of mine say it's not the age that matters it's the mileage. I'm >> one owner high mileage. >> >> I'm like an old broke down horse. Been rode hard and put away wet. >> >> The object is not to arrive at the pearly gates in perfect, pristine, >> condition. The object is to slide in head first, broke down, burned out, >> used up, and screaming "Man what a ride!" >> > > You have it precisely, Billy. > > >> You know, it's funny. I don't really feel old in my head [ does that >> make any sense at all ]. I mean my body is "old" and not able to do as >> many things as it used to but my brain keeps saying "you can do it" but >> the body says "not on your nelly". And when my brain does talk my body >> into doing something I pay for it for three or four days afterwards. >> > > Boy do I know that one! But I keep trying anyway. It does help keep me out > of the bars. But the resultant aches & pains can sure screw up what should > be a good nights sleep when you are certifiably tired. > Gotta love those Loritabs. > ATM I'm building a woodworkers workbench, one intended to stay put when I > clamp a piece of cherry to it and lay into it with a Bailey #7 jointer plane, > which will leave that cherry optically flat IF the supporting bench is good. > If its not solid, and allows the wood to move, then all bets are off and the > piece is likely ruined. You don't want to ruin too much of it at $16 a > bd/ft. > I've got a sixty eight foot Rohn 25 tower and another 50 footer to put up. We just got through dumping 7 eighty pound bags of concrete into the hole for the big one [ I'll pay for that tomorrow ]. That will cure for a few days while we get anchor posts set and ready for both. I have twenty feet of the big one up and will have to climb and set the other sections one by one. We can hinge the smaller one and put up thirty feet in one go but that still leaves two sections to have to climb up and set.. Then I get the fun of climbing up and setting all the antennas. Four or five hours of climbing the tower and I'm half crippled up for a couple days. Wanna trade jobs? I SURE wish I was Willy's age again. > >> -- >> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. >> > > > > -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 05:32:33 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F0F2F2.7040408@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <742871.19865.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 8:39 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Ignazio Palmisano > wrote: > > >> I agree with you, it might not show in my recent > emails but > >> that's what > >> I usually do (on other mailing lists, I'm > nowhere > >> knowledgeable enough > >> to help much on this list). What ticked me off was > the > >> *perception* that > >> the discussion was going from technical and/or a > matter of > >> taste to more > >> personal statements (not directed at me, but > then, what > >> can I say... > >> sorry for the noise :)). > >> I. > >> > > > > I want to put a point to this discussion from my > side. I am pretty self confident person and I know that > I'm not rude, may be too direct or abit too rough. > Anyway I think it was/is a good discussion. > > If you still don't get the point :-) it's your > problem. If you are affected by the question it's your > problem. If you think I'm attacking you personally, > it's your problem. In fact it's always the choice or > the abillity of the hearer to interpret and understand some > statement and the speaker can not imagin how a hearer would > interpret something. > > > > :D this is funny, a dear friend of mine was using exactly > the same words > no more than a week ago. He describes himself in the same > terms you use > here, and you both are right in a sense, and wrong in > another. It is not > your problem if the communication does not work only if you > are not > interested in the communication to work. In a sense, you > catch more > flies with a drop of honey that with a liter of vinegar. > (just a funny story, I don't want to rehash > discussions) > > I. Might be so, but I got bored, so if you want to think you are right I don't want to be understood it's also your problem ;-) In fact both sides should be interested for the comm. to work, so just prove it ;-) regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 06:10:25 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <63455.48054.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > From: Eberhard Roloff > Subject: Re: what raid controller? > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:18 PM > Jonas Norlander wrote: > > 2008/9/22 John DeCarlo : > >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:51 PM, uriah heep > wrote: > >>> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD > hard drives. Could any one > >>> suggest a good low cost controller. This is > for a home computer not > >>> business. > >> I agree with those who say that software RAID is > the way to go. Much safer, > >> more reliable, cheaper > >> > > > > I don't agree with you that a software RAID should > be safer and more > > reliable than a real hardware RAID, it's one more > layer that can mess > > things up if your are unlucky, but it's much > cheaper and that could > > make it worth it depending how value your data is. > > If your data has any value, you better have a good backup. > Linux > Software Raid is a proven, very good alternative, and > according to > measurements from my favourite PC magazine (ct in germany) > it almost > always works at marginally the same speed as real hardware > raid, as long > as your CPU is not strangled by other heavy loads. > > In contrast, software raid has its advantage, when you come > to change > hardware. Should your motherboard or hardware controller go > south, you > will not succeed without a replacement unit. With software > raid, you > simply install the same raid on the new computer and on you > go. > > > > > / Jonas > > > > I would like to add to it now that I learned a few things. > While Linux supports a lot of "fake raid" > chipsets, it does so by using > dmraid without any special "drivers" for the > chipset on which it runs. > > At first, this may look like a disadvantage against > windows, where any > mobo manufacturer has its own driver disk. But it is in > fact a huge > advantage. > > When a windows fake raid dies and you cannot get the same > motherboard or > at least a mobo with a compatible fake raid, you will NOT > have any > access to your data anymore. > > This is true, except for Linux dmraid. As long as the > original chipset > was supported by dmraid (not any chipset is supported!) you > can use > dmraid to rebuild the raid in software even on a machine > that has no > "hardware" raid capabilities at all. > Thus, dmraid opens up your disks for data access, again. > > So you "only" lost your data, if dmraid does not > support your original > setup. > > Not bad for a software solution, I think. > I've been admistrating few companies with more than 200 employes and using software raid was the best choice. I'm using it also at home and this year I've been testing software raid on external usb boxes. The great advantage of linxu software raid over hardware one is also that mdadm utility do monitor your devices and if one fails you first get e-mail and second can easlily replace it. Having a hardware raid you should look all the time at the leds if they light green, yellow or red. The overhead by the raid layer is minimal and raid has been tested extensively so it's kind of production software but I always tend to say - use it at your own risk htough ;-) regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 06:21:27 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: <48F21C12.2080605@swbell.net> Message-ID: <911308.35840.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Billie Walsh wrote: > From: Billie Walsh > Subject: Re: 8.10 impressions > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 5:47 PM > On 10/12/2008 Knapp wrote: > > Sounds really good. I am still holding out hope that > the devs make > > this look good. > > > > In about 2 weeks I am going to try to install it to > my brothers laptop > > guiding him over the internet (There are no details > about the laptop > > because it is not standard and getting info out of xp > is not something > > I am good at). Not easy to do! In the past this has > not worked out > > because the CD will not boot is system. > > > > Anyone have a check list for booting a really hard to > boot system. As > > in try this, and if not that then this, etc? I would > be a real help. I > > am thinking of just having him use the alt CD to > hopefully avoid > > problems. > > OK, really stupid questions. > > Does the CD drive have any known issues? [ plays music etc. > just fine ] > Has he checked the bios to see: > The machine will boot from CD. Most will but > ............... > The CD is set higher on the boot order than the hard drive. > > Perhaps run one of those CD cleaner disks in it. If his is > like mine it > doesn't get a LOT of use and dust sometimes collects. > Blow it out with > some compressed-air-in-a-can. > > My eMachine has a built in boot loader sort of thing in the > bios that > lets me choose which drive I want to boot from regardless > of above > settings. I push F10 at a certain point and it gives me a > list of > available devices, internal and external, to choose from. [ > Kind of a > nice feature sometimes - wish all had that. ] > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other > plans. > You do not need a CD to install - you can copy. It's a bit harder though 1) Download the kubuntu CD image. 2) use something like qemu to install virtually 3) rip the data from the qemu partition into a tarball -- usb boot -- 4a) get a usb bootable image and prepare usb disk (if your pc can boot from usb) 5a) boot, partition and copy the data -- pxe boot -- 4b) prepare a pxe boot directory on your second pc 5b) boot the first one with pxe and let it boot from the second one both ways work fine with the second way you can even boot from the cd iso image there's a bunch of howtos on the net. if you have questions ask me regards From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 06:56:57 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:56:57 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: References: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> <200810122143.55471.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48F2F139.6080706@gmail.com> Juan Kawada wrote: > It turns out it was the encoder I was using. Mplayer instead of ffmpeg. > Mplayer is always very inconsistent in everything i use it for, > sometimes it'll work, sometimes it'll crash. > > well my files are converting, they play, and soon I won't have any more > aac files! > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Nils Kassube > wrote: > > Juan Kawada wrote: > > @nils, I tried that in a test folder to see if it would work, and It > > found the m4a, converted it, and put an mp3 beside the m4a of the > same > > name. problem is that the mp3 is 13 seconds of very loud static. > > Looks like this is either a problem with the settings I chose or with > > lame itself though. Heres my output. > > > > udyrfrykte at udyrfrykte-desktop:~$ find ~/Templates -iname "*.m4a" | > > while read fn;do lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" > > "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done > > Assuming raw pcm input file > > Because of that last line I suppose lame can't decode m4a files. As I > don't have any m4a files myself, I couldn't test it and I thought > you had > already verified that lame could convert your files with the command you > posted. But I can't tell you which program you could use instead of lame > to do the conversion. Maybe you could try the soundconverter package > mentioned in the forum thread you posted. > > Jumping in a bit late, here is a link to a gui-app for the purpose of converting m4a to mp3: http://tinyurl.com/4mulxo and here one to a script-based tool: http://tinyurl.com/6f32rp I have used them and they worked as intended for me - they convert but do not remove original files. Follow links for more details. Sinclair From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 09:30:41 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:30:41 +0200 Subject: m4a->mp3 help In-Reply-To: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810121111.15047.kassube@gmx.net> <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: 2008/10/12 Nils Kassube : > Jonas Norlander wrote: >> 2008/10/12 Nils Kassube : >> > You could try this: >> > >> > find ~/Music -iname "*.m4a" | while read fn;do >> > lame -V0 -h -b 160 --vbr-new "$fn" "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3";done >> >> Intresting. Do you mind explain the "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" part? I >> understand that it will replace m4a with mp3 but i don't understand >> how. > > The bash syntax ${fn%m4a} would result in the environment variable $fn > with m4a cut off from the end of the string. However this would only work > if the m4a part is lower case only. However the find option -iname would > also find files with upper case file names. Therefore I used "[mM]" > instead of "m" alone and "[aA]" instead of "a" alone as wildcards because > it will work for both upper and lower case. Finally I want to add "mp3" > to the end of the string which results in "${fn%[mM]4[aA]}mp3" and the > quotes are added just in case there are spaces within the original file > name. If that explanation wasn't good enough, feel free to ask again. > Thanks! So in short ${fn%m4a} would match and remove m4a from the end of the string and ${fn#m4a} would from the beginning of the string? But what about the %% and ## syntax? >> It should be possible with some sed script to. > > Well, if you speak sed that is certainly possible but that would > unnecessarily start sed for every filename :) > True that would be unnecessarily. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 09:50:05 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:50:05 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: 2008/10/12 Eberhard Roloff : > Knapp wrote: > > Sounds really good. I am still holding out hope that the devs make >> this look good. >> >> In about 2 weeks I am going to try to install it to my brothers laptop >> guiding him over the internet (There are no details about the laptop >> because it is not standard and getting info out of xp is not something >> I am good at). Not easy to do! In the past this has not worked out >> because the CD will not boot is system. >> >> Anyone have a check list for booting a really hard to boot system. As >> in try this, and if not that then this, etc? I would be a real help. I >> am thinking of just having him use the alt CD to hopefully avoid >> problems. > > If the CD Drive is working, just not booting, there is a sure cure for > it: Smart Bootmanager. > > This is bootet AFTER Bios from the mbr and then offers a menu that let's > you decide where to boot from. > > Up to now, I still have to find a computer that does not boot from CD > with this. Even the very first compaq PI/75hz Laptop models, that did > not even know that you can boot from CD, boot Linux from CDRom with > smart bootmanager. > I did try Smart bootmanager some time ago and i could not get it to see my cd/dvd-rom. I think the cause could be that i have SATA dvd. Do you know if Smart bootmanager works with SATA DVD drives? / Jonas From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 13 09:56:18 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:56:18 +0200 Subject: adobe flashplayer 9 in X86-64 Message-ID: <200810131156.18569.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> To be able to view movies youtube above flashplayer shoudl be updated to version 9 as I work in 64 mode I get an ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer. Is there a way to solve this problem? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From kassube at gmx.net Mon Oct 13 10:39:55 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:39:55 +0200 Subject: bash syntax [was: m4a->mp3 help] In-Reply-To: References: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810131239.55745.kassube@gmx.net> Jonas Norlander wrote: > So in short ${fn%m4a} would match and remove m4a from the end of the > string and ${fn#m4a} would from the beginning of the string? Right. > But what > about the %% and ## syntax? If you use the "*" wildcard within the string to remove, %% and ## match the longest possible string while % and # match the shortest possible string. Example: ~/ > fn=/usr/bin/bison ~/ > echo ${fn##*bi} son ~/ > echo ${fn#*bi} n/bison ~/ > echo ${fn%bi*} /usr/bin/ ~/ > echo ${fn%%bi*} /usr/ Nils From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Oct 13 10:43:15 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:43:15 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Jonas Norlander wrote: > > I did try Smart bootmanager some time ago and i could not get it to > see my cd/dvd-rom. I think the cause could be that i have SATA dvd. Do > you know if Smart bootmanager works with SATA DVD drives? > > / Jonas > I think so, afaik smart bootmanager works with anything (except USB) that is previously recognized via the Bios. However, I never had to test it. I think, it is highly unlikely to have a PC that on the one side uses SATA, and on the other hand does not boot from CD. ;-) Kind regards Eberhard From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 10:51:29 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:29 +0100 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy Message-ID: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter with Kubuntu Hardy installed. It is fully updated. The needs are: A UK English base for most programs and the desktop. So a UK English installation. Japanese input from the keyboard. Wireless connection using DHCP. The first two I have, tho' the second took a long while. The internet connection is proving a nightmare. I can find no way of making the settings endure, and no way of setting up DHCP at all. Both ethernet and the wireless card will work for one session, and one session only, if I put static settings in, but although I am told that the settings have been saved, they clearly have not. I have tried installing and uninstalling knetworkmanager. It seems to make not a blind bit of difference. While it was uninstalled I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces but Kubuntu seems just to ignore it. I have reinstalled knetworkmanager (which seems to be only an applet anyway, that links to the network settings in the control panel), renamed /etc/network/interfaces and left the network manager to reinstate it. Still the settings do not endure past a restart and still DHCP simply doesn't work. Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend another distro that would fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop and I have been trying to get it going and fulfilling the criteria since the middle of August. She is beginning, with some justification, to ask why I don't just use Windows. TIA Lisi From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 10:56:44 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:56:44 +0300 Subject: Microphone does not work Message-ID: <48F3296C.50202@gmail.com> Does anyone have any good idea how to make the mic working on a DELL inspiron 1525 laptop? I've searched some forums but couldn't find solution. It does not work even with external mic. Thanks. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 11:14:20 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:14:20 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <880dece00810130414y7cca4bc2idd27825ac27a8fa0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/13 Eberhard Roloff : > However, I never had to test it. I think, it is highly unlikely to have > a PC that on the one side uses SATA, and on the other hand does not boot > from CD. ;-) > Mac Air? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 11:16:16 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:16:16 +0200 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F32E00.1070300@gmail.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter with Kubuntu Hardy installed. It > is fully updated. > > The needs are: > > A UK English base for most programs and the desktop. So a UK English > installation. > > Japanese input from the keyboard. > > Wireless connection using DHCP. > > The first two I have, tho' the second took a long while. > > The internet connection is proving a nightmare. I can find no way of making > the settings endure, and no way of setting up DHCP at all. > > Both ethernet and the wireless card will work for one session, and one session > only, if I put static settings in, but although I am told that the settings > have been saved, they clearly have not. > > I have tried installing and uninstalling knetworkmanager. It seems to make > not a blind bit of difference. > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces but Kubuntu > seems just to ignore it. I have reinstalled knetworkmanager (which seems to > be only an applet anyway, that links to the network settings in the control > panel), renamed /etc/network/interfaces and left the network manager to > reinstate it. Still the settings do not endure past a restart and still DHCP > simply doesn't work. > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend another distro that would fulfill > the criteria? She needs this laptop and I have been trying to get it going > and fulfilling the criteria since the middle of August. She is beginning, > with some justification, to ask why I don't just use Windows. > For many who have problems with Knetworkmanager another app known as WICD works better. You find it at http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ Note though - once installed it can be tricky to get back to Knetworkmanager if you dont get things up and running. Sinclair From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 11:45:18 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:45:18 -0400 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810130445i7543cc86g6615f8fc455da224@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I have tried installing and uninstalling knetworkmanager. It seems to make > not a blind bit of difference. > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces but Kubuntu > seems just to ignore it. I have reinstalled knetworkmanager (which seems to > be only an applet anyway, that links to the network settings in the control > panel), renamed /etc/network/interfaces and left the network manager to > reinstate it. Still the settings do not endure past a restart and still DHCP > simply doesn't work. > When I had similar problems with wireless, I found, first, that the more I played with manual stuff, the worse it was, and second, that aptitude remove knetworkmanager was enough. With purge, I got it working again. -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Oct 13 12:17:17 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:17:17 +0200 Subject: 8.10 impressions In-Reply-To: <880dece00810130414y7cca4bc2idd27825ac27a8fa0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <880dece00810130414y7cca4bc2idd27825ac27a8fa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/13 Eberhard Roloff : >> However, I never had to test it. I think, it is highly unlikely to have >> a PC that on the one side uses SATA, and on the other hand does not boot >> from CD. ;-) >> > > Mac Air? > Not bad! I freely admit, that wile this might be cute, it is not the type of machine I work with. However, please just let us know how smartbootmanager is doing "in the Air", especially since it only has usb ports for external media afaik. Seriously, I googled and did not find any positive indication that smart bootmanager boots from SATA. So it seems that "only old iron" is supported and imho this is ok as long as old iron is around. Kind regards Eberhard From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Oct 13 12:54:00 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:54:00 +0100 Subject: adobe flashplayer 9 in X86-64 In-Reply-To: <200810131156.18569.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810131156.18569.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <9bc4a90a0810130554h4c3d8d60w621f250dd3b8f105@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/13 Peter Klaassen : > To be able to view movies youtube above flashplayer shoudl be updated to > version 9 > as I work in 64 mode I get an > ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the > Adobe Flash Player installer. > > Is there a way to solve this problem? Adobe hasn't provided a 64 bit version for your architecture,so try the advice at: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78789.html -- Graham Todd From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Oct 13 13:14:00 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:14:00 -0400 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810122014.12015.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121906.48287.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810122014.12015.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200810130914.00800.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Larry Hartman wrote: > > # USB serial converters > > SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device",  GOTO="usb_serial_start" > > SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" > > GOTO="usb_serial_end" > > LABEL="usb_serial_start" > > ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", \ > >                                         MODE="0666", GROUP="dialout" > > LABEL="usb_serial_end" > > The ATTRS line looks vendor specific, will this work on any hardware? Hmm it looks that way but it does work with anything I've tried. Those aren't codes I put in there so don't know why they are there. From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 14:17:10 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:17:10 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> Dear Ulrich, dear everybody > > But getting root access via 'sudo' does work? > No, not really! By example the command 'sudo dkgp' delivers the following result: bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ sudo dkgp [sudo] password for bas: (here I type my password and hit the enter button) One should expect getting in root now, but this is not the case. I see again this at the terminal: bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ The only way I do manage to get root-access is like this: bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ su Password: root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# Some things do work, others not. > If not, there could be something wrong with the 'sudo'. You might be right. > In that case,the sudo-package might have to be reinstalled. Pls. tell me how. Do I first need to remove the 'old' sudo package? > BTW: has that strange tty-console problem of yours been solved? The > problem that no tty shows up after boot up. It would mean two strange > problems occurring simultaneously, maybe not completely accidental? > May be you're right. But I first need to know how I can CHECK wether this tty-console problem has been solved or not. Ulrich - pls. consult also another message off-list. Thx. Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 14:30:45 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:30:45 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb29490810130730i4d664f8ap87b21b8fcdd757af@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/13 Bas Roufs : <---> > The only way I do manage to get root-access is like this: > > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ su > Password: > root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# > > Some things do work, others not. > >> If not, there could be something wrong with the 'sudo'. > You might be right. > >> In that case, the sudo-package might have to be reinstalled. > > Pls. tell me how. Do I first need to remove the 'old' sudo package? Gain root access via 'su'. Then: apt-get remove sudo && apt-get install sudo (instead of '&&' you could give both commands one after another) Try this. I will contact you off list for a meeting face to face (yes, we both live in the same city). -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 14:42:16 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:42:16 -0700 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter with Kubuntu Hardy installed. > It is fully updated. > > The needs are: > > A UK English base for most programs and the desktop. So a UK English > installation. > > Japanese input from the keyboard. > > Wireless connection using DHCP. > > The first two I have, tho' the second took a long while. > > The internet connection is proving a nightmare. I can find no way of > making the settings endure, and no way of setting up DHCP at all. > > Both ethernet and the wireless card will work for one session, and one > session only, if I put static settings in, but although I am told that the > settings have been saved, they clearly have not. > > I have tried installing and uninstalling knetworkmanager. It seems to > make not a blind bit of difference. > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces but > Kubuntu seems just to ignore it. I have reinstalled knetworkmanager > (which seems to be only an applet anyway, that links to the network > settings in the control panel), renamed /etc/network/interfaces and left > the network manager to reinstate it. Still the settings do not endure > past a restart and still DHCP simply doesn't work. > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend another distro that would > fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop and I have been trying to get > it going and fulfilling the criteria since the middle of August. She is > beginning, with some justification, to ask why I don't just use Windows. > > TIA > Lisi I have no experience with networkmanager but I have seen it written several places as "network mangler" by people who have had frustrations with it. To make sure you are really back to a place where manual config could work perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than the K frontend. You could try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon that tries to keep a connection always up and which has caused lots of people difficulties, since Debian Etch if I remember correctly. With it purged, you should be able to manually configure your ethernet interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto; inet; dhcp and when you restart networking it should ask the router's DHCP server for an IP address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if appropriate on your system) ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig (interface) up. That should read the manual configuration ...or, at least, drop some error message. From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 13 14:48:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:48:03 -0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EF6228.5040303@gmail.com> <3343920.ud4IJTiood@cedar.serverforest.com> <15edeae40810101059y333b348cs85985c041baf5a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2173467.Ha8o8Pov82@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > kubuntu-desktop has been installed ever since i did the fresh > install of intrepid about a month ago. i always had kubuntu-desktop, > and i'm sure these new packages weren't installed, or had any similar > package installed so they can replace it. they are new dependencies. Ah. $ apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop | grep blue Recommends: bluez-cups Recommends: bluez-utils Recommends: kdebluetooth Since I use aptitude, I get all the "recommends" automatically (and setting aptitude to _not_ pull "recommends" has other unwanted side effects), so strictly speaking, I would think the adept updater wouldn't have given me these while aptitude full-upgrade would. otoh, I thought I'd upgraded to hardy via adept. -- derek From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 15:18:21 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:18:21 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <18bb29490810130730i4d664f8ap87b21b8fcdd757af@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <18bb29490810130730i4d664f8ap87b21b8fcdd757af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/13 Ulrich Grün : > > Gain root access via 'su'. Then: > apt-get remove sudo && apt-get install sudo > (instead of '&&' you could give both commands one after another) > I think it's better to purge the package so the config files will be deleted as if i remember correct apt-get install will not overwrite config files if they exist. Correct me if I'm wrong. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 15:25:56 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:25:56 +0200 Subject: adobe flashplayer 9 in X86-64 In-Reply-To: <200810131156.18569.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810131156.18569.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: 2008/10/13 Peter Klaassen : > To be able to view movies youtube above flashplayer shoudl be updated to > version 9 > as I work in 64 mode I get an > ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the > Adobe Flash Player installer. > > Is there a way to solve this problem? > > -- > Peter > Registered Linux user # 458207 > Hi If you use Kubuntu Hardy flash worked out of the box for me after installing flashplugin-nonfree. No need to install 32-bit firefox or manually running some install script. Give it a try before messing around with something else. / Jonas From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 15:30:26 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:30:26 +0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages In-Reply-To: <2173467.Ha8o8Pov82@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EF6228.5040303@gmail.com> <3343920.ud4IJTiood@cedar.serverforest.com> <15edeae40810101059y333b348cs85985c041baf5a33@mail.gmail.com> <2173467.Ha8o8Pov82@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48F36992.6050104@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Willy Hamra wrote: > >> kubuntu-desktop has been installed ever since i did the fresh >> install of intrepid about a month ago. i always had kubuntu-desktop, >> and i'm sure these new packages weren't installed, or had any similar >> package installed so they can replace it. they are new dependencies. > > Ah. > > $ apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop | grep blue > Recommends: bluez-cups > Recommends: bluez-utils > Recommends: kdebluetooth > > Since I use aptitude, I get all the "recommends" automatically (and setting > aptitude to _not_ pull "recommends" has other unwanted side effects), so > strictly speaking, I would think the adept updater wouldn't have given me > these while aptitude full-upgrade would. otoh, I thought I'd upgraded to > hardy via adept. i very rarely use adept or synaptic, i used to use apt-get and with intrepid now i use aptitude, and it never installed the recommends for me, it would always tell me that some packages are recommended but will not be installed. it is a waste of bandwidth in my opinion, but bah, i already did the full-upgrade, took me about 3 days :P -- Willy K. 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From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 15:50:17 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:50:17 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <18bb29490810130730i4d664f8ap87b21b8fcdd757af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb29490810130850kd6a8441gfa8f21a361dfa660@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/13 Jonas Norlander : > 2008/10/13 Ulrich Grün : >> >> Gain root access via 'su'. Then: >> apt-get remove sudo && apt-get install sudo >> (instead of '&&' you could give both commands one after another) >> > > I think it's better to purge the package so the config files will be > deleted as if i remember correct apt-get install will not overwrite > config files if they exist. Correct me if I'm wrong. That is true: 'apt-get purge sudo' will do the job. But maybe the problem is not in the config file. Best try to do a normal reinstall, if that doesn't work, then purge. -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 16:00:41 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:00:41 +0200 Subject: bash syntax [was: m4a->mp3 help] In-Reply-To: <200810131239.55745.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810121320.38363.kassube@gmx.net> <200810131239.55745.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: 2008/10/13 Nils Kassube : > Jonas Norlander wrote: >> So in short ${fn%m4a} would match and remove m4a from the end of the >> string and ${fn#m4a} would from the beginning of the string? > > Right. > >> But what >> about the %% and ## syntax? > > If you use the "*" wildcard within the string to remove, %% and ## match > the longest possible string while % and # match the shortest possible > string. Example: > > ~/ > fn=/usr/bin/bison > ~/ > echo ${fn##*bi} > son > ~/ > echo ${fn#*bi} > n/bison > ~/ > echo ${fn%bi*} > /usr/bin/ > ~/ > echo ${fn%%bi*} > /usr/ > > > Nils > Thanks! Think i got it now. / Jonas From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 13 15:52:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:52:32 -0300 Subject: latest update needs ridiculous new packages References: <48EF51DC.9030506@gmail.com> <1717620.aTafjZxz43@cedar.serverforest.com> <48EF6228.5040303@gmail.com> <3343920.ud4IJTiood@cedar.serverforest.com> <15edeae40810101059y333b348cs85985c041baf5a33@mail.gmail.com> <2173467.Ha8o8Pov82@cedar.serverforest.com> <48F36992.6050104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3504151.hneSD9WQsz@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Willy Hamra wrote: >> >>> kubuntu-desktop has been installed ever since i did the fresh >>> install of intrepid about a month ago. i always had kubuntu-desktop, >>> and i'm sure these new packages weren't installed, or had any similar >>> package installed so they can replace it. they are new dependencies. >> >> Ah. >> >> $ apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop | grep blue >> Recommends: bluez-cups >> Recommends: bluez-utils >> Recommends: kdebluetooth >> >> Since I use aptitude, I get all the "recommends" automatically (and >> setting aptitude to _not_ pull "recommends" has other unwanted side >> effects), so strictly speaking, I would think the adept updater wouldn't >> have given me >> these while aptitude full-upgrade would. otoh, I thought I'd upgraded to >> hardy via adept. > > i very rarely use adept or synaptic, i used to use apt-get and with > intrepid now i use aptitude, and it never installed the recommends for > me, it would always tell me that some packages are recommended but will > not be installed. That's configurable in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/, and maybe doesn't default to installing Recommends, any more, but it certainly used to. What I've found though, is that turning it off doesn't just turn it off for _future_ installs, but treats everything that was installed as a "recommend" as being no longer needed - and wants to remove it, so I'm either stuck with that or will have to go to a lot of trouble to mark the ones I want as manually installed. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 13 15:55:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:55:05 -0300 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F1DD83.7060605@dmiyu.org> <200810121334.00276.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <1448850.vnvtxpTJ8l@cedar.serverforest.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Sunday 12 October 2008 13:20:35 schreef Steve Lamb: >> Are you using the OSE or PEUL version?  OSE does not have USB support. >> PEUL version does. > > I have no Idea, it doesnot say in About, > only Sun xVM Virtualbox GUI 2.0.2 > # aptitude show ~ivirtualbox -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 13 15:58:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:58:48 -0300 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2510937.WlV4pX4v3I@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810102310.19612.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1481851.npGPECKilc@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 10 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >>Yes - but I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull >>back the power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to >>disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. > > Chuckle. Sounds like you need to set your lawn mower a little lower, or > use > it more often. :) Like you, I've dropped many a bit, but I usually can > find it too. NO LAWN MOWERS! Vile things contributing way more than their share of greenhouse gases. I use a scythe, when I really must cut something. -- derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 13 17:06:25 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:06:25 +0200 Subject: adobe flashplayer 9 in X86-64 In-Reply-To: References: <200810131156.18569.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810131906.25381.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> > Hi > > If you use Kubuntu Hardy flash worked out of the box for me after > installing flashplugin-nonfree. No need to install 32-bit firefox or > manually running some install script. > > Give it a try before messing around with something else. > > / Jonas Jonas, Fine works for me too now thanks -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 13 18:01:17 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:01:17 +0200 Subject: Kunbuntu HH 8.04 and Virtualbox 2.2 and usb support In-Reply-To: <200810121906.48287.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200810121307.00606.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121849.29408.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810121906.48287.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810132001.18110.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Monday 13 October 2008 01:06:48 schreef Bruce Marshall: > On Sunday 12 October 2008, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > I have the latest vbox 2.0.2.0.2.0.2.0.2......    running on > > Hardy and the USB is working fine as it always did.   But somewhere here > > I have a document that tells what to do to make it work. > > > > Will try to dig up the details....    stay tuned and have hope. > > Ok, here at least for starters: > > The document: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690713 > > is the one I originally used to get USB working but things have changed a > little since Gutsy. > > You want to start at the point where they tell you to > edit /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules > > and make your edit look like: > > > # USB serial converters > SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" > SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", GOTO="usb_serial_start" > GOTO="usb_serial_end" > LABEL="usb_serial_start" > ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", \ > MODE="0666", GROUP="dialout" > LABEL="usb_serial_end" > > > under the section above in that file. > > The edit of file: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh looks to be the same as > they tell you in the document. > > Let me know if you have problems. Bruce, Finally worked. I think I solved it by adding myself to the group vbox-users. Thank you all for the help in this matter. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From mdhirsch at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 18:43:22 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:43:22 -0600 Subject: Krdc/Krfb In-Reply-To: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> References: <48ECE4CE.9080302@bmts.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810131143i5b954c51he1153c90915f987d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Scott wrote: > Hi, > > I just tried using a remote desktop for the first time using > Krdc/Krfb and it was extremely slow. It took about 10 minutes to start > the session while the computer I was trying to connect to was at 100% > CPU. After the connection started the computer I was trying to connect > to still had 100% CPU activity and the desktop was so slow that it was > not usable. > > Is this normal? Do you need a ultra high end computer to use > remote desktop? The computer I tried to connect to was not brand new, > but it was not slow either. It had a AMD 64 2 Ghz chip and 1Gig RAM. I would say this is normal and you should file a defect. Every time I've used the built-in KDE desktop sharing it has been a complete CPU hog. Almost every other solution seems betterr: tightVNC, NX, krd Michael From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Mon Oct 13 19:15:48 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:15:48 +0200 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first =?iso-8859-1?q?impression=09and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <1481851.npGPECKilc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810102310.19612.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1481851.npGPECKilc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810132115.48990.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Monday 13 October 2008 17:58, Derek Broughton wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 10 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > >>Yes - but I go through a lot of power-driver bits. Drive the screw, pull > >>back the power driver, and the bit stays on the screw just long enough to > >>disconnect from the driver - then falls on the ground and disappears. > > > > Chuckle. Sounds like you need to set your lawn mower a little lower, or > > use > > it more often. :) Like you, I've dropped many a bit, but I usually can > > find it too. > > NO LAWN MOWERS! Vile things contributing way more than their share of > greenhouse gases. I use a scythe, when I really must cut something. > -- > derek Derek, clothed in his long black hooded cloak, was swinging his freshly honed scythe over his latest clients lawn. Perhaps, not so much a lawn, but a jungle. "What a life", said Derek, aka Death. "One minute I'm dealing with the dead, and sending them on their way, then they ban the lawnmowers, and I find myself, "Death", "The Grim Reaper", relegated to being a gardener". Sometime later, Death, aka Derek, finds himself enjoying this gardening. "I've never used my scythe for this before", he say's to himself, and admits that the scythe does not contribute to greenhouse gasses, so must be a good way of keeping your garden in good shape, without compromising the planet. To be continued. Watch this space. Nigel. From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 13 16:02:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:02:20 -0300 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <7954748.LSzdnoSRaD@cedar.serverforest.com> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Anyone found a server that the Kontact Calendar (4.1.0) works with? I've > been evaluating various servers - IMAP, Citadel, egroupware and its just > unusuable. Todo's don't save or are corrupted, notifications just don't > happen. I had it working with Yahoo. It works with Google, but is read-only (at least I haven't found a way to write). > Its not even vaguely alpha quality software. The _calendar_ is production ready, it's the whole kontact groupware plugin structure that seems weak. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 13 16:04:06 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:04:06 -0300 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 11 October 2008, Melanie wrote: >>On Saturday 11 October 2008 16:37:39 Thorny wrote: >>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:36:34 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: >>> > On Friday 10 October 2008 1:38:00 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>> metric size. I didn't check to see if it was really 2.5 inches long or >>> if it was 6.35 cm. ;-) >> >>It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly advise me to >> add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really mean >> one pint (Imperial, not US). >> > Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? No, I expect he meant "ml". -- derek From james at gray.net.au Mon Oct 13 19:59:15 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:59:15 +1100 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <63455.48054.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <63455.48054.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87B8869B-127B-40F9-BBCB-310CC881452C@gray.net.au> On 13/10/2008, at 5:10 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > I've been admistrating few companies with more than 200 employes and > using software raid was the best choice. > I'm using it also at home and this year I've been testing software > raid on external usb boxes. > The great advantage of linxu software raid over hardware one is also > that mdadm utility do monitor your devices and if one fails you > first get e-mail and second can easlily replace it. > Having a hardware raid you should look all the time at the leds if > they light green, yellow or red. > The overhead by the raid layer is minimal and raid has been tested > extensively so it's kind of production software but I always tend to > say - use it at your own risk htough ;-) Before anyone slams the "reply" button in a red mist of rage, please read the whole message :) To make a blanket statement like "Having a hardware raid you should look all the time at the leds if they light green, yellow or red" is just plain nonsense. You probably haven't played with real RAID technology in a while ;). I've managed systems with Dell PERC, Compaq SmartArray, Adaptec and HP SAN technologies - under linux they *all* have the ability to provide the admins with a number of notification vectors from e-mail, "wall" right through to out-of-band SMS/Pager alerts etc. I don't disagree with anything else you've said, and I assume that in the context of systems outside a corporate budget, the type of hardware RAID controllers available can be somewhat cobbled versions of their bigger siblings. However, even the low-end Adaptec SATA RAID controllers (as in REAL RAID, not their fake-RAID cousins) can still notify admins about drive failures - via "ASM" :) The Adapatec 2405[1] is a nice little hardware RAID controller (PCIe x8) that has notification and hot-swap capabilities etc. and generally wont break the bank (approx USD$200). Like most things in life, you get what you pay for....unless you're installing Linux, in which case you generally get a whole heap more :D Peace, James [1] http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sata/entry/SAS-2405/ PS - I have absolutely no affiliation with Adaptec other than successfully used them on a number of low-end servers and high-end work stations. The 2405 even has open source drivers provided by Adaptec, hence my mention of it here; support those who support FOSS! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <87B8869B-127B-40F9-BBCB-310CC881452C@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <929481.91555.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, James Gray wrote: > From: James Gray > Subject: Re: what raid controller? > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 9:59 PM > On 13/10/2008, at 5:10 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > I've been admistrating few companies with more > than 200 employes and > > using software raid was the best choice. > > I'm using it also at home and this year I've > been testing software > > raid on external usb boxes. > > The great advantage of linxu software raid over > hardware one is also > > that mdadm utility do monitor your devices and if one > fails you > > first get e-mail and second can easlily replace it. > > Having a hardware raid you should look all the time at > the leds if > > they light green, yellow or red. > > The overhead by the raid layer is minimal and raid has > been tested > > extensively so it's kind of production software > but I always tend to > > say - use it at your own risk htough ;-) > > > Before anyone slams the "reply" button in a red > mist of rage, please > read the whole message :) > > To make a blanket statement like "Having a hardware > raid you should > look all the time at the leds if they light green, yellow > or red" is > just plain nonsense. You probably haven't played with > real RAID > technology in a while ;). I've managed systems with > Dell PERC, Compaq > SmartArray, Adaptec and HP SAN technologies - under linux > they *all* > have the ability to provide the admins with a number of > notification > vectors from e-mail, "wall" right through to > out-of-band SMS/Pager > alerts etc. Ok I agree - my information status is about 6-5 years old. At this time SATA was not invented ;-) or at least not on the market and I was not talking about 200$ raid controlers. We did at this time evaluation for two companies with about 200 employees each ... buying a hardware riad was pretty nosens as software raid with SCSI and even with IDE dirves gave satisfying performance. We (my collegues and I) managed about 1TB of data (a huge amount at that time) on a Dell power edge and power vault as far as I remember. I've just shared my experience (professional one) as there was a statment that it's kind of dangerous using linux software raid... > > I don't disagree with anything else you've said, > and I assume that in > the context of systems outside a corporate budget, the type > of > hardware RAID controllers available can be somewhat cobbled > versions > of their bigger siblings. However, even the low-end > Adaptec SATA RAID > controllers (as in REAL RAID, not their fake-RAID cousins) > can still > notify admins about drive failures - via "ASM" :) > The Adapatec > 2405[1] is a nice little hardware RAID controller (PCIe x8) > that has > notification and hot-swap capabilities etc. and generally > wont break > the bank (approx USD$200). this was a useful update of my knowledge > > Like most things in life, you get what you pay > for....unless you're > installing Linux, in which case you generally get a whole > heap more :D > what should I say ... don't have time to read this thread - think sharing experience is good enough. since then I don't see any reason for buying or using hardware raid. I have now about 1TB at home(office) 2IDE inside an old 500MHz pc acting as server 2 IDE in a usb box and 2 SATA in usb box outside. Took me about 6 months to get a working kernel for this, but since few months it's working like a charm. Now I have to buy new boxes and drives because the disks are almost full ... Did I mention the raids are encrypted :-P - this is the only thing that's a bit fuzzy in matters of cpu usage So adding a layer in between is not a problem ... unless you let a hole army of rats crawl on it. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 21:47:04 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <716157.46727.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Thorny wrote: > From: Thorny > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:42 PM > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter with > Kubuntu Hardy installed. > > It is fully updated. > > > > The needs are: > > > > A UK English base for most programs and the desktop. > So a UK English > > installation. > > > > Japanese input from the keyboard. > > > > Wireless connection using DHCP. > > > > The first two I have, tho' the second took a long > while. Hello, again sharing experience and erading just this one mail - I also had a trouble with the network configuration - not quite the same like you - until I found that dbus is triggering the KDE networkmanager. I then fixed the scripts in /etc/dbus-1/ Someone suggested to leave only the lo interface in the /etc/network/interfaces and everything worked but not for me because I have to have the network configured before I log in, because my root partition is on nfs. So if you want to use ifconfig and so on there should be something in the file telling ifconfig about your interface. In fact under debian I had following # The primary network interface auto eth1 allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp and it was working much better than now in terms that've been seeing the network configuration under kde ... now I see that's connected (after I added hotplug into the dbus files, but don't see IP etc. > > > > The internet connection is proving a nightmare. I can > find no way of > > making the settings endure, and no way of setting up > DHCP at all. > > > > Both ethernet and the wireless card will work for one > session, and one > > session only, if I put static settings in, but > although I am told that the > > settings have been saved, they clearly have not. > > > > I have tried installing and uninstalling > knetworkmanager. It seems to > > make not a blind bit of difference. > > > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing > /etc/network/interfaces but > > Kubuntu seems just to ignore it. I have reinstalled > knetworkmanager > > (which seems to be only an applet anyway, that links > to the network > > settings in the control panel), renamed > /etc/network/interfaces and left > > the network manager to reinstate it. Still the > settings do not endure > > past a restart and still DHCP simply doesn't work. > > > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend another > distro that would > > fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop and I > have been trying to get > > it going and fulfilling the criteria since the middle > of August. She is > > beginning, with some justification, to ask why I > don't just use Windows. > > > > TIA > > Lisi > > I have no experience with networkmanager but I have seen it > written > several places as "network mangler" by people who > have had frustrations > with it. > > To make sure you are really back to a place where manual > config could work > perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than the K > frontend. You could > try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon that tries > to keep a > connection always up and which has caused lots of people > difficulties, > since Debian Etch if I remember correctly. Did you work on Etch - I spent years, and should disagree with you. > > With it purged, you should be able to manually configure > your ethernet > interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto; inet; dhcp > and when you > restart networking it should ask the router's DHCP > server for an IP > address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if appropriate on > your system) > ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig (interface) > up. That should > read the manual configuration ...or, at least, drop some > error message. > I would recommend following 1) do you want network be configured before you login or not, by what you are saying I conclude you don't care, so remove everyhting from /etc/network/interfaces except your lo device config cat /etc/network/interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback address 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 2) there is a problem with the dbus config I suppose but try restarting dbus instead networiking (configure the interface over the kontrol center to use dhcp) sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart or just the network part sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart 3) If 2 does not work check that you are member of the netdev and/or plugdev group - I would bet it's your problem 4) let us know if it helped I've fixed this by writing and reading few postings and experimenting for a while - wireless works - network works regards PS.: this is another argument why developers should focus on making kubuntu more stable and user friendly and not look much nicer ... but as I said I don't want to discuss this topic over again From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Oct 13 21:41:23 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:41:23 -0700 Subject: OT: HTML/PHP==>Edit & Save remote ODF file using OO Message-ID: <200810131441.23986.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> I have an Apache2/PHP5/MySQL5 server set up, I use the same computer for server and client, running Kubuntu 8.04 I would like to click on a link to an ODF file, have it open in OO, make edits, and save (edits posted directly to file location on server). As its stands now, my code is just a standard link that opens the ODF file in OO read only-mode. I did some googling around for solutions and nothing seems to be quite what I am looking for. I saw some articles that suggest I may need an FTP service set up on the server-side. Any help? Larry From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 22:20:14 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Microphone does not work In-Reply-To: <48F3296C.50202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > From: Georgi Kourtev > Subject: Microphone does not work > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 12:56 PM > Does anyone have any good idea how to make the mic working > on a DELL > inspiron 1525 laptop? I've searched some forums but > couldn't find > solution. It does not work even with external mic. > Thanks. > It seems it should work with snd_hda_intell unfrotunately coudn't find information on the underlaying chipset could you provide the output from cat /proc/asound/cards cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec I helped a friend few months ago to find the proper snd_hda_intel driver (in his case we should download OEM version from realtek) regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 22:24:41 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Microphone does not work In-Reply-To: <48F3296C.50202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <751294.19619.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > From: Georgi Kourtev > Subject: Microphone does not work > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 12:56 PM > Does anyone have any good idea how to make the mic working > on a DELL > inspiron 1525 laptop? I've searched some forums but > couldn't find > solution. It does not work even with external mic. > Thanks. > forgot to say about the external one. If you have good alsa config you should have Input source as an option to switch to in kmix - put it to "front mic" in my case this is the external I found also following command very helpful for visually testing mics arecord -f cd -vv /dev/null regards From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 22:57:24 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:57:24 +0200 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <1407238.enL3PDJvWd@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810102310.19612.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1481851.npGPECKilc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810132115.48990.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1407238.enL3PDJvWd@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810131557i583eee99j25d18044d5647e2d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/13 Derek Broughton : > Nigel Henry wrote: > >> Derek, clothed in his long black hooded cloak, > ... > > I actually own a dark green one, I guess I could dye (or die, as the case > may be) > > :) I now have a new name for the icon that comes up on Ctrl-Alt-Esc. Watch brainstorm for the proposal to make it official! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 23:27:00 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:27:00 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only Message-ID: <880dece00810131627h4aae3d36se56d3200a2202d7b@mail.gmail.com> I have been moving files back and forth between an PDA (Dell Axim) and my personal computer (the Kubuntu machine) via SD card all day. Suddenly, the Kubuntu machine insists that the card is read-only and will not write to it. Even reseting the machine and switching card readers does not help. The Axim still writes to the card just fine. What could be the cause? Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 13 23:32:52 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:32:52 +1000 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc In-Reply-To: <7954748.LSzdnoSRaD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <7954748.LSzdnoSRaD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810140932.53083.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:02:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: Thanks for the reply Derek > > I had it working with Yahoo. It works with Google, but is read-only (at > least I haven't found a way to write). What resource interface did you use with Yahoo? > > > Its not even vaguely alpha quality software. > > The _calendar_ is production ready, it's the whole kontact groupware plugin > structure that seems weak. By the groupware plug-in structure do you mean the IMAP/groupdave/etc interfaces? Hopefully akonadai will improve that side of things. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 23:34:17 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810131627h4aae3d36se56d3200a2202d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Did you accidentally slip the little slide lock on the side of the card? I've done that a couple of times, when in a hurry. Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > From: Dotan Cohen > Subject: SD card suddenly read-only > To: "kubuntu-users." > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:27 PM > I have been moving files back and forth between an PDA (Dell > Axim) and > my personal computer (the Kubuntu machine) via SD card all > day. > Suddenly, the Kubuntu machine insists that the card is > read-only and > will not write to it. Even reseting the machine and > switching card > readers does not help. The Axim still writes to the card > just fine. > What could be the cause? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 13 23:46:24 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:46:24 -0400 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear Ulrich, dear everybody > >> But getting root access via 'sudo' does work? >> >> > > No, not really! By example the command 'sudo dkgp' delivers the > following result: > > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ sudo dkgp > [sudo] password for bas: (here I type my password and hit the enter button) > > One should expect getting in root now, but this is not the case. I see > again this at the terminal: > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ > > The only way I do manage to get root-access is like this: > > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ su > Password: > root at Viaconsensus1:/home/bas# > > Some things do work, others not. > > >> If not, there could be something wrong with the 'sudo'. >> > You might be right. > > >> In that case,the sudo-package might have to be reinstalled. >> > > Pls. tell me how. Do I first need to remove the 'old' sudo package? > > > >> BTW: has that strange tty-console problem of yours been solved? The >> problem that no tty shows up after boot up. It would mean two strange >> problems occurring simultaneously, maybe not completely accidental? >> >> > > May be you're right. But I first need to know how I can CHECK wether > this tty-console problem has been solved or not. > > Ulrich - pls. consult also another message off-list. > > Thx. > > Bas. > > > > > I am not very experienced, however, I had a problem where I needed to fix a broken package. I booted to where you have a choice of opening your OS or opening in Safe Mode. When I clicked on that, there were two choices where if you clicked on them they fixed problems. At the end of the repair procedure, I was asked if I wanted to continue opening up normally, I did, and the OS opened fixed. I wish I were more experienced, I could give you more specific instruction, but it was not necessary for me to find the code to type into the terminal or reinstall anything and everything was fixed. Hope this is useful. Steven From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 23:48:18 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:48:18 +0300 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F3DE42.3090308@gmail.com> cherryfinals wrote: > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> From: Dotan Cohen >> Subject: SD card suddenly read-only >> To: "kubuntu-users." >> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:27 PM >> I have been moving files back and forth between an PDA (Dell >> Axim) and >> my personal computer (the Kubuntu machine) via SD card all >> day. >> Suddenly, the Kubuntu machine insists that the card is >> read-only and >> will not write to it. Even reseting the machine and >> switching card >> readers does not help. The Axim still writes to the card >> just fine. >> What could be the cause? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> > Did you accidentally slip the little slide lock on the side of the card? I've done that a couple of times, when in a hurry. > > Stan don't think so, since Axim is still writing to it. check your mounts. type "mount" in konsole and see it's mount options, is there an "ro" option? if yes, umount it, and try to manually mount it with the "rw" option, the command should look like: sudo mount /dev/ur_sd_card /media/somewhere_here -o rw you can of course add the "-t file)system" option if you want. now see if you can writ to it. as to why this might happen? sometimes, if a filesystem is improperly unmounted, unplugged without safely removing first, and the filesystem is a non-linux filesystem like FAT or NTFS, the system gets scared that there might be corruption on the filesystem, and since such fs don't have a proper fsck program in linux, they get mounted as read-only to prevent further damage. if you type "dmesg | tail" after plugging your card, you should see some info about this read-only mount, and it's reasons. sometimes, like NTFS, you might need to use the force option in order to mount an improperly unmounted fs as rw, so the command will end with "-o rw,force". hope this helps you. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 23:54:03 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:54:03 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00810131627h4aae3d36se56d3200a2202d7b@mail.gmail.com> <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810131654m5c7ee69bl3507945072deb0dc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/14 cherryfinals : > Did you accidentally slip the little slide lock on the side of the card? I've done that a couple of times, when in a hurry. > No, it is still in the read/write position. In fact, the PDA still writes to the card just fine. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 23:57:46 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:57:46 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <48F3DE42.3090308@gmail.com> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48F3DE42.3090308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810131657q1a6249f3id1322c1e2b16e9e1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/14 Willy K. Hamra : > cherryfinals wrote: >> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> From: Dotan Cohen >>> Subject: SD card suddenly read-only >>> To: "kubuntu-users." >>> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:27 PM >>> I have been moving files back and forth between an PDA (Dell >>> Axim) and >>> my personal computer (the Kubuntu machine) via SD card all >>> day. >>> Suddenly, the Kubuntu machine insists that the card is >>> read-only and >>> will not write to it. Even reseting the machine and >>> switching card >>> readers does not help. The Axim still writes to the card >>> just fine. >>> What could be the cause? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >> Did you accidentally slip the little slide lock on the side of the > card? I've done that a couple of times, when in a hurry. >> >> Stan > > don't think so, since Axim is still writing to it. > check your mounts. type "mount" in konsole and see it's mount options, > is there an "ro" option? if yes, umount it, and try to manually mount it > with the "rw" option, the command should look like: > sudo mount /dev/ur_sd_card /media/somewhere_here -o rw > you can of course add the "-t file)system" option if you want. > now see if you can writ to it. > > as to why this might happen? sometimes, if a filesystem is improperly > unmounted, unplugged without safely removing first, and the filesystem > is a non-linux filesystem like FAT or NTFS, the system gets scared that > there might be corruption on the filesystem, and since such fs don't > have a proper fsck program in linux, they get mounted as read-only to > prevent further damage. if you type "dmesg | tail" after plugging your > card, you should see some info about this read-only mount, and it's > reasons. sometimes, like NTFS, you might need to use the force option in > order to mount an improperly unmounted fs as rw, so the command will end > with "-o rw,force". > hope this helps you. hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ dmesg | tail [ 1904.925562] sd 2:0:0:3: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0 [ 1907.366009] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) [ 1907.366016] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) [ 1907.366020] File system has been set read-only [ 1927.067153] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) [ 1927.067160] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) [ 2090.004226] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) [ 2090.004233] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) [ 2112.759870] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) [ 2112.759877] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) The economy is bad, but that should make the SD card feel more comfortable that I will not replace him. Why is it panicing then? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Oct 14 00:04:37 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:04:37 -0400 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810131657q1a6249f3id1322c1e2b16e9e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48F3DE42.3090308@gmail.com> <880dece00810131657q1a6249f3id1322c1e2b16e9e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810132004.37327.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 13 October 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ dmesg | tail > [ 1904.925562] sd 2:0:0:3: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0 > [ 1907.366009] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 1907.366016]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > [ 1907.366020]     File system has been set read-only > [ 1927.067153] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 1927.067160]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > [ 2090.004226] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 2090.004233]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > [ 2112.759870] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 2112.759877]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > > The economy is bad, but that should make the SD card feel more > comfortable that I will not replace him. Why is it panicing then? Looks like it might need reformatting. Filesystem is corrupted. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 00:06:08 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:06:08 +0300 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810131657q1a6249f3id1322c1e2b16e9e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48F3DE42.3090308@gmail.com> <880dece00810131657q1a6249f3id1322c1e2b16e9e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F3E270.3070702@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/14 Willy K. Hamra : >> cherryfinals wrote: >>> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> >>>> From: Dotan Cohen >>>> Subject: SD card suddenly read-only >>>> To: "kubuntu-users." >>>> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:27 PM >>>> I have been moving files back and forth between an PDA (Dell >>>> Axim) and >>>> my personal computer (the Kubuntu machine) via SD card all >>>> day. >>>> Suddenly, the Kubuntu machine insists that the card is >>>> read-only and >>>> will not write to it. Even reseting the machine and >>>> switching card >>>> readers does not help. The Axim still writes to the card >>>> just fine. >>>> What could be the cause? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>> Did you accidentally slip the little slide lock on the side of the >> card? I've done that a couple of times, when in a hurry. >>> Stan >> don't think so, since Axim is still writing to it. >> check your mounts. type "mount" in konsole and see it's mount options, >> is there an "ro" option? if yes, umount it, and try to manually mount it >> with the "rw" option, the command should look like: >> sudo mount /dev/ur_sd_card /media/somewhere_here -o rw >> you can of course add the "-t file)system" option if you want. >> now see if you can writ to it. >> >> as to why this might happen? sometimes, if a filesystem is improperly >> unmounted, unplugged without safely removing first, and the filesystem >> is a non-linux filesystem like FAT or NTFS, the system gets scared that >> there might be corruption on the filesystem, and since such fs don't >> have a proper fsck program in linux, they get mounted as read-only to >> prevent further damage. if you type "dmesg | tail" after plugging your >> card, you should see some info about this read-only mount, and it's >> reasons. sometimes, like NTFS, you might need to use the force option in >> order to mount an improperly unmounted fs as rw, so the command will end >> with "-o rw,force". >> hope this helps you. > > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ dmesg | tail > [ 1904.925562] sd 2:0:0:3: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0 > [ 1907.366009] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 1907.366016] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > [ 1907.366020] File system has been set read-only > [ 1927.067153] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 1927.067160] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > [ 2090.004226] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 2090.004233] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > [ 2112.759870] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) > [ 2112.759877] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) > > The economy is bad, but that should make the SD card feel more > comfortable that I will not replace him. Why is it panicing then? > it looks like a corruptio in the filesystem. do you have a windows machine? theyusually handle fat filesystems better, you can put it there, and run chkdsk on it. or you can use fsck.vfat in kubuntu (not sure if it's good, never tried it before), but remember to umount it first. sudo umount /dev/sdb1 sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdb1 -v -r (-r will run it in interactive repair mode) if this doesn't solve it, i guess you're only option is sudo umount /dev/sdb1 sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /somewhere -o rw,force (use at your own risk) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra : > it looks like a corruptio in the filesystem. do you have a windows > machine? theyusually handle fat filesystems better, you can put it > there, and run chkdsk on it. > or you can use fsck.vfat in kubuntu (not sure if it's good, never tried > it before), but remember to umount it first. > > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdb1 -v -r > (-r will run it in interactive repair mode) > > if this doesn't solve it, i guess you're only option is > > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /somewhere -o rw,force > (use at your own risk) > I don't have access to a Windows machine, but I will format the card when I do. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Tue Oct 14 02:48:48 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:48:48 -0400 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810131719o4d7a31fcq9e780fb100eb7634@mail.gmail.com> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48F3E270.3070702@gmail.com> <880dece00810131719o4d7a31fcq9e780fb100eb7634@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810132248.48889.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Monday 13 October 2008 20:19:24 Dotan Cohen wrote (Reply at bottom): > 2008/10/14 Willy K. Hamra : > > it looks like a corruptio in the filesystem. do you have a windows > > machine? theyusually handle fat filesystems better, you can put it > > there, and run chkdsk on it. > > or you can use fsck.vfat in kubuntu (not sure if it's good, never tried > > it before), but remember to umount it first. > > > > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > > sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdb1 -v -r > > (-r will run it in interactive repair mode) > > > > if this doesn't solve it, i guess you're only option is > > > > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > > sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /somewhere -o rw,force > > (use at your own risk) > > I don't have access to a Windows machine, but I will format the card > when I do. Thanks. you can format it with linux as well - sudo mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/[sdcard] or -F16 if you want fat16. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Oct 14 02:49:41 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:49:41 -0400 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F2C1E4.5090305@swbell.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810121703.58158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <48F2C1E4.5090305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200810132249.41138.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 October 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> Lisi Reisz wrote: >>>> On Sunday 12 October 2008 00:31:47 Gene Heskett wrote: >>>>>> Incidently, my local LUG currently has a membership ranging in age >>>>>> from 14 to 76. (So far as we know. There may, of course, be the odd >>>>>> closet 9 year old or 85 year old. ;-) ) Why do groups of people need >>>>>> to be all the same age for people to "belong"?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Lisi >>>>> >>>>> They don't Lisi, and that's the point. >>>> >>>> Yes - that is the point I was making. Willy had said that he felt he >>>> didn't belong because you and I are so ancient. >>>> >>>> Lisi >>> >>> Willy should enjoy it now. Youth is way to short. >>> >>> Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. >>> >>> A friend of mine say it's not the age that matters it's the mileage. I'm >>> one owner high mileage. >>> >>> I'm like an old broke down horse. Been rode hard and put away wet. >>> >>> The object is not to arrive at the pearly gates in perfect, pristine, >>> condition. The object is to slide in head first, broke down, burned out, >>> used up, and screaming "Man what a ride!" >> >> You have it precisely, Billy. > >> >>> You know, it's funny. I don't really feel old in my head [ does that >>> make any sense at all ]. I mean my body is "old" and not able to do as >>> many things as it used to but my brain keeps saying "you can do it" but >>> the body says "not on your nelly". And when my brain does talk my body >>> into doing something I pay for it for three or four days afterwards. >> >> Boy do I know that one! But I keep trying anyway. It does help keep me >> out of the bars. But the resultant aches & pains can sure screw up what >> should be a good nights sleep when you are certifiably tired. > >Gotta love those Loritabs. > >> ATM I'm building a woodworkers workbench, one intended to stay put when I >> clamp a piece of cherry to it and lay into it with a Bailey #7 jointer >> plane, which will leave that cherry optically flat IF the supporting bench >> is good. If its not solid, and allows the wood to move, then all bets are >> off and the piece is likely ruined. You don't want to ruin too much of it >> at $16 a bd/ft. > >I've got a sixty eight foot Rohn 25 tower and another 50 footer to put >up. We just got through dumping 7 eighty pound bags of concrete into the >hole for the big one [ I'll pay for that tomorrow ]. That will cure for >a few days while we get anchor posts set and ready for both. I have >twenty feet of the big one up and will have to climb and set the other >sections one by one. We can hinge the smaller one and put up thirty feet >in one go but that still leaves two sections to have to climb up and >set.. Then I get the fun of climbing up and setting all the antennas. >Four or five hours of climbing the tower and I'm half crippled up for a >couple days. > >Wanna trade jobs? Been there, done that several times. I am a semi-retired Chief Engineer, a J.O.A.T. at times. Last time up was in a 50-55 mph wind, a lazy tower crew had not tightened the 'gate cap' bolts on 450 feet (twice, 2 lines) of 3.125" rigid coax transmission line. Predictably, when the wind came up, we started picking up small bolts & nuts and a few of these caps on the ground under the tower. In the meantime I had around 300 feet of both runs loose and blowing in the wind, banging around on the tower hard enough to wake the dead. I grabbed my belt, a bag, stuffed some wrenches in it along with all the hardware I could pick up off the ground, and started up, after yelling at a friend that claimed he liked to climb to come and give me a hand. Wrapping an arm around the flailing line, I managed to coral the line long enough to get a bolt into one side of the cap, then pull the line in and swing the cap closed & put the other sides bolt in. This was every 10 feet as I climbed the tower in that wind. I had made it to about the 180 foot mark and was plumb tuckered out by the time my friend drove up. Then he screwed around for a good half an hour before he stuck a foot into the ladder. I kept going, but was beginning to see I wasn't going to have enough bolts & caps, but by the 220 foot mark when my friend arrived at my level, I had the lines in a much safer lockdown than when I started. When my friend arrived and we were talking, a particularly bad gust, probably 70 mph hit us and he froze to the tower. His harness was better than mine, but I was hooked in, so even if it blew me loose I wouldn't have fallen more than a foot. But that sent a message I was willing to listen to, so when he said lets get off of this thing, I agreed. But I thought I was gonna have to cut his fingers off to get him back down the tower. White and bloodless, they just plain didn't wanna let go and reach for the next rung down until I threatened to leave him hanging there. But we did get back down ok. And I sat there waiting for the tower crew who did that sloppy job, whom I had called at about 6 am when I found the situation, to arrive and do it right. In the meantime the wind died down to the 20's, and when the tower crew arrived, it turned out to be his daughter & she was half dead from a cold. By then it was also dark and I was still hot & upset, so she grabbed the spares she had and went back up to do it right. I had threatened them with a lawsuit if we got knocked off the air, and it would have included all lost revenues in addition to all damages. That's not all they did, they quit at dark one night while doing the job they were contracted to do, and left the top of the lines open at the towers top. And it rained about 3" that night. We had 4 major burnouts before we finally found that water, and we had to find it ourselves, they had been there and looked at it the first 3 times. Incompetent bunch of jerks. Needless to say, that tower service company has been personna non grata ever since. They've even stopped calling to see if we need a paint job or ?? So yes, you could say I've been there and done that. And I could have used some real help. 63 years old (then) coots like me don't really have any business crawling around on 'high steel':) >I SURE wish I was Willy's age again. Me too, but I think I'd do a couple of things differently next time around. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Mal: "No one's gonna hurt you... any more than we already did." --Episode #3, "Bushwacked" From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 14 03:33:31 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:33:31 -0500 Subject: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <200810132249.41138.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810121703.58158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <48F2C1E4.5090305@swbell.net> <200810132249.41138.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48F4130B.3000103@swbell.net> On 10/13/2008 Gene Heskett wrote: > > I SURE wish I was Willy's age again. > > Me too, but I think I'd do a couple of things differently next time > around. I don't know. When I was that age I was having so much fun, and I'm not so sure I'm smart enough to do it different. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 07:08:58 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:08:58 +0100 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <716157.46727.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <716157.46727.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810140808.58544.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Monday 13 October 2008 22:47:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Thorny wrote: > > From: Thorny > > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:42 PM > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter with > > > > Kubuntu Hardy installed. > > > > > It is fully updated. > > > > > > The needs are: > > > > > > A UK English base for most programs and the desktop. > > > > So a UK English > > > > > installation. > > > > > > Japanese input from the keyboard. > > > > > > Wireless connection using DHCP. > > > > > > The first two I have, tho' the second took a long > > > > while. > > Hello, again sharing experience and erading just this one mail - I also had > a trouble with the network configuration - not quite the same like you - > until I found that dbus is triggering the KDE networkmanager. I then fixed > the scripts in /etc/dbus-1/ > > Someone suggested to leave only the lo interface in the > /etc/network/interfaces and everything worked but not for me because I > have to have the network configured before I log in, because my root > partition is on nfs. > > So if you want to use ifconfig and so on there should be something in the > file telling ifconfig about your interface. In fact under debian I had > following > > # The primary network interface > auto eth1 > allow-hotplug eth1 > iface eth1 inet dhcp > > and it was working much better than now in terms that've been seeing the > network configuration under kde ... now I see that's connected (after I > added hotplug into the dbus files, but don't see IP etc. > > > > The internet connection is proving a nightmare. I can > > > > find no way of > > > > > making the settings endure, and no way of setting up > > > > DHCP at all. > > > > > Both ethernet and the wireless card will work for one > > > > session, and one > > > > > session only, if I put static settings in, but > > > > although I am told that the > > > > > settings have been saved, they clearly have not. > > > > > > I have tried installing and uninstalling > > > > knetworkmanager. It seems to > > > > > make not a blind bit of difference. > > > > > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing > > > > /etc/network/interfaces but > > > > > Kubuntu seems just to ignore it. I have reinstalled > > > > knetworkmanager > > > > > (which seems to be only an applet anyway, that links > > > > to the network > > > > > settings in the control panel), renamed > > > > /etc/network/interfaces and left > > > > > the network manager to reinstate it. Still the > > > > settings do not endure > > > > > past a restart and still DHCP simply doesn't work. > > > > > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend another > > > > distro that would > > > > > fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop and I > > > > have been trying to get > > > > > it going and fulfilling the criteria since the middle > > > > of August. She is > > > > > beginning, with some justification, to ask why I > > > > don't just use Windows. > > > > > TIA > > > Lisi > > > > I have no experience with networkmanager but I have seen it > > written > > several places as "network mangler" by people who > > have had frustrations > > with it. > > > > To make sure you are really back to a place where manual > > config could work > > perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than the K > > frontend. You could > > try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon that tries > > to keep a > > connection always up and which has caused lots of people > > difficulties, > > since Debian Etch if I remember correctly. > > Did you work on Etch - I spent years, and should disagree with you. > > > With it purged, you should be able to manually configure > > your ethernet > > interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto; inet; dhcp > > and when you > > restart networking it should ask the router's DHCP > > server for an IP > > address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if appropriate on > > your system) > > ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig (interface) > > up. That should > > read the manual configuration ...or, at least, drop some > > error message. > > I would recommend following > > 1) do you want network be configured before you login or not, by what you > are saying I conclude you don't care, so remove everyhting from > /etc/network/interfaces except your lo device config > > cat /etc/network/interfaces > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > address 127.0.0.1 > netmask 255.0.0.0 > > > 2) there is a problem with the dbus config I suppose but try restarting > dbus instead networiking (configure the interface over the kontrol center > to use dhcp) > > sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart restarted. No mention oif network when telling me both what it was shutting down and what what it was opening up. > > or just the network part > > sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart bash: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager: No such file or directory > 3) If 2 does not work check that you are member of the netdev and/or > plugdev group - I would bet it's your problem already in plugdev. Added to netdev. Same result. > 4) let us know if it helped See above. :-( I had finally successfully purged network-manager and network-manager-kde. Now I can't get on line to reinstall them. Not by any means. And they aren't on the install CD I used, anyhow according to apt. Now I'm really in a mess. I would reinstall teh whole thing from scratch, but that would scrap the Japanese and I still wouldn't be online. > I've fixed this by writing and reading few postings and experimenting for a > while > > - wireless works > - network works > > regards > > > PS.: this is another argument why developers should focus on making kubuntu > more stable and user friendly and not look much nicer ... but as I said I > don't want to discuss this topic over again From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 07:26:43 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:26:43 +0200 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <18bb29490810140026s1dfba55du6e46167b1ecd1f4a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/14 Steven Vollom : > I am not very experienced, however, I had a problem where I needed to > fix a broken package. I booted to where you have a choice of opening > your OS or opening in Safe Mode. When I clicked on that, there were two > choices where if you clicked on them they fixed problems. At the end of > the repair procedure, I was asked if I wanted to continue opening up > normally, I did, and the OS opened fixed. Did you have the installation CD in the PC? I know of no repair option like this. Did this option appair emediately, before booting the kernel? It sounds as if this would be what we need. -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. . . Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring " [R.Hunter, J.Garcia. In: Althea] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 08:37:31 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:37:31 +0200 Subject: OT: HTML/PHP==>Edit & Save remote ODF file using OO In-Reply-To: <200810131441.23986.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200810131441.23986.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: 2008/10/13 Larry Hartman : > I have an Apache2/PHP5/MySQL5 server set up, I use the same computer for > server and client, running Kubuntu 8.04 > > I would like to click on a link to an ODF file, have it open in OO, make > edits, and save (edits posted directly to file location on server). > > As its stands now, my code is just a standard link that opens the ODF file in > OO read only-mode. > > I did some googling around for solutions and nothing seems to be quite what I > am looking for. I saw some articles that suggest I may need an FTP service > set up on the server-side. > Hi With "link" is that a link on a web page and not a link on your filesystem? If it is on the same machine why not just browse the filesystem or are you making a web application that need access from other computers? I use sshfs to mount mine medialibrary on my server. Not really what you ask for but it works great and no need for a FTP server. You can chroot the account on the server for better security and use public keys for the user that needs access. You have to explain better what you want to do. / Jonas From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 09:37:07 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:37:07 -0700 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <716157.46727.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810140808.58544.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: [edit] > I had finally successfully purged network-manager and network-manager-kde. > Now I can't get on line to reinstall them. Not by any means. And they > aren't on the install CD I used, anyhow according to apt. > Okay, if you have finally purged network-manager then the package manager you used to do that has removed all the configuration files so the system in theory is now in a state where manual configuration could work because the things that were trying to automagically configure for you are out of the way. So, are you sure you've purged network-manager properly? If you now configure your interface in /etc/network/interfaces, for example: auto eth0 inet dhcp (use the appropriate interface for your system) Now that you have manually configured the interface (by the way, what method did you use for this), in a terminal (konsole would be a good terminal program to use): [I suppose you could skip this step if you so choose] sudo ifconfig (your interface name) down then: sudo ifconfig (your interface name) up Either your system will obtain an IP address from your router's DHCP server or there will be an error message created which could help identify the problem. If it fails, then post the error message. It might be worthwhile to also post your interfaces file in that case so we can see your manual configuration. > Not by any means. And they > aren't on the install CD I used, anyhow according to apt. > Well, if they installed the first time, it's highly likely that they are still there to be installed again. So be calm about this until you have tried to get manual configuration to work. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 09:46:35 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:46:35 -0700 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <716157.46727.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:47:04 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > Did you work on Etch - I spent years, and should disagree with you. > Yes Emanoil, I wrote my comment because I have been in several forums and lists and newsgroups where people have had trouble with network-manager. You, yourself stated you had trouble, so what are you disagreeing about? None of your advice is going to work *after* network-manager has been purged from the system, which is what the poster stated. > > PS.: this is another argument why developers should focus on making > kubuntu more stable and user friendly and not look much nicer ... but as I > said I don't want to discuss this topic over again Hummmmm! Generally people who don't want to discuss something further just don't mention it again. From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 10:42:39 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:42:39 -0400 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <200810132248.48889.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48F3E270.3070702@gmail.com> <880dece00810131719o4d7a31fcq9e780fb100eb7634@mail.gmail.com> <200810132248.48889.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810140342j483a54aeo2544c9647b4d43e6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Jason Straight wrote: > On Monday 13 October 2008 20:19:24 Dotan Cohen wrote (Reply at bottom): > >> 2008/10/14 Willy K. Hamra : > >> > it looks like a corruptio in the filesystem. do you have a windows > >> > machine? theyusually handle fat filesystems better, you can put it > >> > there, and run chkdsk on it. > >> > or you can use fsck.vfat in kubuntu (not sure if it's good, never tried > >> > it before), but remember to umount it first. > >> > > >> > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > >> > sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdb1 -v -r > >> > (-r will run it in interactive repair mode) > >> > > >> > if this doesn't solve it, i guess you're only option is > >> > > >> > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > >> > sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /somewhere -o rw,force > >> > (use at your own risk) > >> > >> I don't have access to a Windows machine, but I will format the card > >> when I do. Thanks. > > you can format it with linux as well - sudo mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/[sdcard] > > or -F16 if you want fat16. ckfs in Linux works fine on fat32. I'd try to repair if you need the data before you reformat. And yes, you can format it as fat32 in Linux. The WinMob OS on the Axim is likely not sophisticated enough to detect corruption in the file system until it becomes unusable. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 11:58:22 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:58:22 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: [edit] >>>It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly advise me >>>to >>> add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really >>> mean one pint (Imperial, not US). >>> >> Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? > > No, I expect he meant "ml". Well Derek, what is the conversion factor between ml and cc? :-) From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Tue Oct 14 12:10:09 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:10:09 +0200 Subject: removable media stopped showing 'view' Message-ID: <48F48C21.9000000@prayingforisrael.net> Hardy Heron - up-to-date. For the past couple of weeks I can't get any removable media (thumb drives, SD cards etc.) to show thumbnails of photos using Konqueror (3.5.9). Dolphin works fine. Yes I have View>Preview set in Konqueror, and if it's a dir on my hard drive, no problems at all - just on removable media. Any suggestion for a fix? Blessings, Nigel -- From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 13:06:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:06:38 -0300 Subject: Beta 8.10 released References: <374748.83093.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810121703.58158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <48F2C1E4.5090305@swbell.net> <200810132249.41138.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <48F4130B.3000103@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3331557.ItT6ydP7lY@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 10/13/2008 Gene Heskett wrote: >> > I SURE wish I was Willy's age again. >> >> Me too, but I think I'd do a couple of things differently next time >> around. > > I don't know. When I was that age I was having so much fun, and I'm not > so sure I'm smart enough to do it different. LOL. I've just started riding a motorcycle again, and it's as much fun as the first time, so it's darned difficult to remember that I almost killed myself more than once in my 20s. -- derek From rlp1938 at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 13:12:05 2008 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:05 +0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340810140612w687e57c0w250cfb91e5d7f795@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Thorny wrote: > [edit] >>>>It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly > advise me >>>>to >>>> add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really >>>> mean one pint (Imperial, not US). >>>> >>> Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? >> >> No, I expect he meant "ml". > > Well Derek, what is the conversion factor between ml and cc? :-) ml to cc; multiply by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 cc to ml; divide by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 13:15:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:15:30 -0300 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> <18bb29490810140026s1dfba55du6e46167b1ecd1f4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2409960.gLnm9gcsTT@cedar.serverforest.com> Ulrich Grün wrote: > 2008/10/14 Steven Vollom : >> I am not very experienced, however, I had a problem where I needed to >> fix a broken package. I booted to where you have a choice of opening >> your OS or opening in Safe Mode. When I clicked on that, there were two >> choices where if you clicked on them they fixed problems. At the end of >> the repair procedure, I was asked if I wanted to continue opening up >> normally, I did, and the OS opened fixed. > > Did you have the installation CD in the PC? I know of no repair option > like this. Did this option appair emediately, before booting the > kernel? > It sounds as if this would be what we need. I have a situation where, every dozen or so times I resume from hibernation (only since I set up dual-screens in X) X fails, and I'm forced to power off. On reboot, I get this screen about half way through the boot process (I think it's already in runlevel 2). I don't recall all the options, as I've always just been able to choose "resume normal boot". -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 13:27:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:27:01 -0300 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> <8f6eb7340810140612w687e57c0w250cfb91e5d7f795@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> Robert Parker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Thorny wrote: >> [edit] >>>>>It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly >> advise me >>>>>to >>>>> add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really >>>>> mean one pint (Imperial, not US). >>>>> >>>> Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? >>> >>> No, I expect he meant "ml". >> >> Well Derek, what is the conversion factor between ml and cc? :-) > > > ml to cc; multiply by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 > cc to ml; divide by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 How many zeroes before they diverge? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 13:24:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:24:30 -0300 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only References: <880dece00810131627h4aae3d36se56d3200a2202d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9287333.6iTRYaTtve@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have been moving files back and forth between an PDA (Dell Axim) and > my personal computer (the Kubuntu machine) via SD card all day. > Suddenly, the Kubuntu machine insists that the card is read-only and > will not write to it. Even reseting the machine and switching card > readers does not help. The Axim still writes to the card just fine. > What could be the cause? Marked dirty and in need of an fsck? It's just a filesystem like any other, and if it gets removed without being unmounted first, it's going to need to be fscked. -- derek From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Tue Oct 14 13:26:50 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:26:50 -0700 Subject: OT: HTML/PHP==>Edit & Save remote ODF file using OO In-Reply-To: References: <200810131441.23986.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200810140626.50814.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 01:37:31 am Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/13 Larry Hartman : > > I have an Apache2/PHP5/MySQL5 server set up, I use the same computer for > > server and client, running Kubuntu 8.04 > > > > I would like to click on a link to an ODF file, have it open in OO, make > > edits, and save (edits posted directly to file location on server). > > > > As its stands now, my code is just a standard link that opens the ODF > > file in OO read only-mode. > > > > I did some googling around for solutions and nothing seems to be quite > > what I am looking for. I saw some articles that suggest I may need an > > FTP service set up on the server-side. > > Hi > > With "link" is that a link on a web page and not a link on your > filesystem? If it is on the same machine why not just browse the > filesystem or are you making a web application that need access from > other computers? Link as in link on a webpage. While I am using the same computer as both client and server, at a later time, those functions will be separated. I am building/developing an application where the pages deliver certain information pertaining to the file that is being linked to. Larry From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 13:23:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:23:20 -0300 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <7954748.LSzdnoSRaD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810140932.53083.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:02:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: > > Thanks for the reply Derek > >> >> I had it working with Yahoo. It works with Google, but is read-only (at >> least I haven't found a way to write). > > What resource interface did you use with Yahoo? Sorry, I don't recall. >> > Its not even vaguely alpha quality software. >> >> The _calendar_ is production ready, it's the whole kontact groupware >> plugin structure that seems weak. > > > By the groupware plug-in structure do you mean the IMAP/groupdave/etc > interfaces? Yes. IMAP itself is pretty good (though as some have noted, there's still issues with disconnected IMAP), but I've had trouble with pretty well any other groupware functionality. > Hopefully akonadai will improve that side of things. I hope so too. I just started to use evolution last week! I had an XP machine sitting on my desk that was being used _purely_ for Outlook to access an Exchange server (which is not IMAP enabled). I could (and my colleague does) use Outlook Web Access from a browser, but that's an even worse pig than Outlook. Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong counts on messages (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it doesn't have anything remotely like logical navigation, but it does do a better job of synchronizing messages and calendars from the Exchange server than either the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a web browser. I sure wish I could do this with Kontact. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 13:33:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:33:52 -0300 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <716157.46727.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200810140808.58544.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4040962.GpgRsTYfRf@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 13 October 2008 22:47:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> 2) there is a problem with the dbus config I suppose but try restarting >> dbus instead networiking (configure the interface over the kontrol center >> to use dhcp) >> >> sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart Before resorting to that, always try >> or just the network part >> >> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart first. Restarting all of dbus is a sledgehammer approach with potential unwanted side-effects - e.g., I lose my battery monitoring until I restart guidance-power-manager > bash: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager: No such file or directory which says you don't actually have NetworkManager installed: $ dlocate 25Network network-manager: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager -- derek From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 13:53:04 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:53:04 -0700 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> <8f6eb7340810140612w687e57c0w250cfb91e5d7f795@mail.gmail.com> <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:27:01 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Thorny wrote: >>> [edit] >>>>>>It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly >>> advise me >>>>>>to >>>>>> add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really >>>>>> mean one pint (Imperial, not US). >>>>>> >>>>> Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? >>>> >>>> No, I expect he meant "ml". >>> >>> Well Derek, what is the conversion factor between ml and cc? :-) >> >> >> ml to cc; multiply by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 cc to ml; divide >> by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 > > How many zeroes before they diverge? I'm guessing that it's probably close enough for a soup recipe, eh? YMMV Good morning Derek. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Tue Oct 14 13:57:48 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:57:48 +0100 Subject: [OT - Crescent Wrench] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions In-Reply-To: <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> <8f6eb7340810140612w687e57c0w250cfb91e5d7f795@mail.gmail.com> <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48F4A55C.9020301@yahoo.it> Derek Broughton wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Thorny wrote: >>> [edit] >>>>>> It amuses me that Knorr (a Swiss company by birth?) solemnly >>> advise me >>>>>> to >>>>>> add 675mm of water in making up their packet soup when they really >>>>>> mean one pint (Imperial, not US). >>>>>> >>>>> Humm, do you mean to write 675cc? >>>> No, I expect he meant "ml". >>> Well Derek, what is the conversion factor between ml and cc? :-) >> >> ml to cc; multiply by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 >> cc to ml; divide by 1.0000000000000000000000000000000 > > How many zeroes before they diverge? infinite :D or enough to break the doubles on the machine.... I. From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:04:21 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:04:21 -0400 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc In-Reply-To: <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810140932.53083.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810141004.27413.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong counts on messages > (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it doesn't have anything remotely > like logical navigation, but it does do a better job of synchronizing > messages and calendars from the Exchange server than either the XP box > (which is a 7 year old P4, with only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a web browser.  I > sure wish I could do this with Kontact. I can't agree with you more. Except, I use Evolution instead of XP on an old box or a VM to connect. You get used to the navigation, and yes, its ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than doesn't work. Kmail is crashing almost every 15 minutes today. In fact, it crashed in the middle of writing this post. This didn't seem to happen with 1.9.9, only 1.9.10. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gloonie at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 14:11:04 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:11:04 -0400 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc In-Reply-To: <200810141004.27413.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810141004.27413.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810141011.04694.gloonie@earthlink.net> Kmail started crashing today for me too. I do not access IMAP, just straight pop3 mailboxes. And it has not given me any problems before today. (I am using kmail-kde4) Glenn On Tuesday 14 October 2008 10:04:21 Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: > > Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong counts on messages > > (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it doesn't have anything > > remotely like logical navigation, but it does do a better job of > > synchronizing messages and calendars from the Exchange server than either > > the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a > > web browser.  I sure wish I could do this with Kontact. > > I can't agree with you more. Except, I use Evolution instead of XP on an > old box or a VM to connect. You get used to the navigation, and yes, its > ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than doesn't work. > > Kmail is crashing almost every 15 minutes today. In fact, it crashed in > the middle of writing this post. > > This didn't seem to happen with 1.9.9, only 1.9.10. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Aşağı tükürsem sakal, yukarı tükürsem bıyık! From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:12:33 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:12:33 -0700 Subject: [OT - Ping Derek] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810111706.40538.melanie.t23@ukonline.co.uk> <200810111856.58602.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <2216487.o1d1i7DfML@cedar.serverforest.com> <8f6eb7340810140612w687e57c0w250cfb91e5d7f795@mail.gmail.com> <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: It's not in my authority to tell you what to do Derek, but as I'm not going to be here for a while, will you consider monitoring the thread where Lisi is trying to manually configure ethernet interface? Perhaps make sure that bad advice isn't given or taken. Now that I've mentioned this in public, no doubt there will be lots of knowledgeable and helpful people, that would be great, and peer review will help to solve the problem. Don't anyone be hurt that I picked on Derek for this, I just noticed that he was up (it's after 10 am in NS) and active and I've read enough of his posts to know he's up to the task. Naturally, it's possible he doesn't have the time and that's fine too. I do hope you've had the time to vote Derek, I'm off to do that now. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:27:09 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:27:09 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <200810132248.48889.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48F3E270.3070702@gmail.com> <880dece00810131719o4d7a31fcq9e780fb100eb7634@mail.gmail.com> <200810132248.48889.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: <880dece00810140727j2c78c19fje5bdb915977a0a8f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/14 Jason Straight : > you can format it with linux as well - sudo mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/[sdcard] > > or -F16 if you want fat16. > Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are picky about USB storage formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 filenames. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 14:35:06 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:35:06 -0300 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810140932.53083.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810141004.27413.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1368653.8ZJ61qh65B@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong counts on messages >> (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it doesn't have anything >> remotely like logical navigation, but it does do a better job of >> synchronizing messages and calendars from the Exchange server than either >> the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a >> web browser.  I sure wish I could do this with Kontact. > > I can't agree with you more. Except, I use Evolution instead of XP on an > old box or a VM to connect. Then you're agreeing completely :-) I _did_ use XP, but as of today that machine is just a boat anchor, because Evolution replaced it. > You get used to the navigation, and yes, its > ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than doesn't work. Indeed. The XP box was taking 10-15 minutes to log in, open outlook and connect to the Exchange server, and show me my new mail. Evolution is much faster and better (though ugly). -- derek From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:53:05 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:53:05 -0600 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc In-Reply-To: <1368653.8ZJ61qh65B@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810140932.53083.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810141004.27413.art.alexion@gmail.com> <1368653.8ZJ61qh65B@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810140753rc3c1310n3750f1272b9d1a76@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong counts on messages >>> (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it doesn't have anything >>> remotely like logical navigation, but it does do a better job of >>> synchronizing messages and calendars from the Exchange server than either >>> the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a >>> web browser. I sure wish I could do this with Kontact. >> >> I can't agree with you more. Except, I use Evolution instead of XP on an >> old box or a VM to connect. > > Then you're agreeing completely :-) I _did_ use XP, but as of today that > machine is just a boat anchor, because Evolution replaced it. > >> You get used to the navigation, and yes, its >> ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than doesn't work. > > Indeed. The XP box was taking 10-15 minutes to log in, open outlook and > connect to the Exchange server, and show me my new mail. Evolution is much > faster and better (though ugly). I tried to use evolution for months to contact my work exchange server. It just crashed and crashed and crashed. My solution was to buy crossover office and run outlook from KDE. Now I only have to restart outlook once a day, or so. kmail would actually work with the exchange imap server, but it was horribly slow and none of the groupware features were usable. My coworker here tried to use Evolution and KDE 4.1 under fedora and got constant lockups, so now he is converting to Gnome which seems to work better. :-( For KDE to be useful in a work setting, kmail (and the rest of Kontact) needs to get good Exchange support. Michael From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Tue Oct 14 14:59:44 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:59:44 +0200 Subject: Microphone does not work In-Reply-To: <48F3296C.50202@gmail.com> References: <48F3296C.50202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F4B3E0.90302@prayingforisrael.net> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Does anyone have any good idea how to make the mic working on a DELL > inspiron 1525 laptop? I've searched some forums but couldn't find > solution. It does not work even with external mic. Thanks. > Open KMix and experiment with 'Digital Input Source' ('Switches' Tab). I have mine as 'Analog Inputs', with the 3 'Input Source's as 'Mic'. I also have 'Analog Loopback' turned off (pale yellow light). I suggest that you subscribe to the [Dell] Linux-Desktops mailing list: http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops There is very good support there from other users as well as one Mario Limonciello, who works for Dell Engineering. Blessings, Nigel -- From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 15:04:08 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:04:08 +0300 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <18bb29490810140026s1dfba55du6e46167b1ecd1f4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> <18bb29490810140026s1dfba55du6e46167b1ecd1f4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810140804m57563e9av951faf1179cf710@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/14 Ulrich Grün : > 2008/10/14 Steven Vollom : >> I am not very experienced, however, I had a problem where I needed to >> fix a broken package. I booted to where you have a choice of opening >> your OS or opening in Safe Mode. When I clicked on that, there were two >> choices where if you clicked on them they fixed problems. At the end of >> the repair procedure, I was asked if I wanted to continue opening up >> normally, I did, and the OS opened fixed. > > Did you have the installation CD in the PC? I know of no repair option > like this. Did this option appair emediately, before booting the > kernel? > It sounds as if this would be what we need. > you don't need the CD. in GRUB menu, choose recovery. usually every kernel has a normal boot mode, and a recovery mode. when you choose the recovery option, usplash doesn't load, you see a lot of stuff scrolling on the screen, and finally you get greeted with a menu. you can choose to repair X, fix some package, and other stuff. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 15:21:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:21:33 +0200 Subject: Skype over bluetooth? (yes, I've googled!) Message-ID: <880dece00810140821m233b27b3p525b7ad5495e861d@mail.gmail.com> This message is crossposted to Ubuntu-users and Kubuntu-users as it may not be a Kubuntu-specific problem. I would like to route my skype conversations through a bluetooth headset as my laptop Kubuntu 8.04 machine has bluetooth support. I have found _lots_ of info by googling, but it is all specific to versions of Ubuntu <= 7.10 and for each version it is very specific. Additionally, it looks like PulseAudio may be a problem in Kubuntu 8.04. Is there a guide for using a bluetooth headset with Kubuntu 8.04 that is known to work? I am wary of experimenting with different guides that may or may not work on this, my work machine. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 14 15:22:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:22:08 -0300 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc References: <200810111058.09517.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810140932.53083.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1403996.sLj6V7Vr1B@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810141004.27413.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1602222.Y5HXaGO3iU@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong counts on messages >> (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it doesn't have anything >> remotely like logical navigation, but it does do a better job of >> synchronizing messages and calendars from the Exchange server than either >> the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a >> web browser.  I sure wish I could do this with Kontact. > > I can't agree with you more. Except, I use Evolution instead of XP on an > old > box or a VM to connect. You get used to the navigation, and yes, its > ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than doesn't work. How do you get it to actually show new mail? I thought I'd got it working properly, and now I see that it updates my new mail counts but never actually shows the mail unless I either disconnect/reconnect or restart the program. -- derek From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:45:27 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:45:27 -0400 Subject: [OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released Message-ID: <48F4F6D7.6090100@cfl.rr.com> > Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But if you disagree with > someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, not the person. That's not > fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not meant to be a scolding, I'm > not referring to what has been said; the technique of attacking a person > whose ideas we don't share is old and well known, the exact term escapes > me - is it "ad personam"?) ad hominem Tom Bell -- “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” -- Albert Einstein, Physicist (1879-1955) From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 20:34:21 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:34:21 -0400 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <2409960.gLnm9gcsTT@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> <18bb29490810140026s1dfba55du6e46167b1ecd1f4a@mail.gmail.com> <2409960.gLnm9gcsTT@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48F5024D.2040701@sbcglobal.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ulrich Grün wrote: > > >> 2008/10/14 Steven Vollom : >> >>> I am not very experienced, however, I had a problem where I needed to >>> fix a broken package. I booted to where you have a choice of opening >>> your OS or opening in Safe Mode. When I clicked on that, there were two >>> choices where if you clicked on them they fixed problems. At the end of >>> the repair procedure, I was asked if I wanted to continue opening up >>> normally, I did, and the OS opened fixed. >>> >> Did you have the installation CD in the PC? I know of no repair option >> like this. Did this option appair emediately, before booting the >> kernel? >> It sounds as if this would be what we need. >> I was hoping you knew that step. My laptop has an ON/OFF problem. I can't turn the computer on right now, or I would duplicate the process. One time when I press the on/off button it will work again, but not yet. I am pretty sure I did not have a CD in the machine though. I think now that it was recovery mode instead of repair, I still am not sure, however if you can get to that point, try it. If it opens with about four choices, the first being to resume normal boot, it was the second and fourth options that I tried. I am not sure which fixed the problem, but the problem was fixed. After that I clicked on the resume normal boot and everything was fine. I am so sorry to be so inexperienced, but it was a wonderful feeling to have the problem resolved without someone else's help. I am very greatful for help too, it is just this was one time I found an answer for myself. I need that to keep me motivated. If and when my laptop turns on again, I will repeat the procedure. My desktop is not the same. It is dual boot with two versions of Kubuntu. The laptop has only the Gutsy version of Kubuntu, so it doesn't boot to choices. It is that kind of screen that produced the four choices I mentioned. My memory says that the X server repair is the fourth choice. > > I have a situation where, every dozen or so times I resume from hibernation > (only since I set up dual-screens in X) X fails, and I'm forced to power > off. On reboot, I get this screen about half way through the boot process > (I think it's already in runlevel 2). I don't recall all the options, as > I've always just been able to choose "resume normal boot". > From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 20:37:12 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:37:12 -0400 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810140804m57563e9av951faf1179cf710@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> <48F3DDD0.3010000@sbcglobal.net> <18bb29490810140026s1dfba55du6e46167b1ecd1f4a@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40810140804m57563e9av951faf1179cf710@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F502F8.7010105@sbcglobal.net> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/10/14 Ulrich Grün : > >> 2008/10/14 Steven Vollom : >> >>> I am not very experienced, however, I had a problem where I needed to >>> fix a broken package. I booted to where you have a choice of opening >>> your OS or opening in Safe Mode. When I clicked on that, there were two >>> choices where if you clicked on them they fixed problems. At the end of >>> the repair procedure, I was asked if I wanted to continue opening up >>> normally, I did, and the OS opened fixed. >>> >> Did you have the installation CD in the PC? I know of no repair option >> like this. Did this option appair emediately, before booting the >> kernel? >> It sounds as if this would be what we need. >> >> > > you don't need the CD. in GRUB menu, choose recovery. usually every > kernel has a normal boot mode, and a recovery mode. when you choose > the recovery option, usplash doesn't load, you see a lot of stuff > scrolling on the screen, and finally you get greeted with a menu. you > can choose to repair X, fix some package, and other stuff. > This sounds like the repair suggestion I found. I am the inexperienced one. If you can understand how to do this step, I think you will succeed. Steven From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Tue Oct 14 20:59:56 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:59:56 +0100 Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F4F6D7.6090100@cfl.rr.com> References: <48F4F6D7.6090100@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <48F5084C.1080703@yahoo.it> tom bell wrote: >> Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But if you disagree with >> someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, not the person. That's not >> fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not meant to be a scolding, I'm >> not referring to what has been said; the technique of attacking a person >> whose ideas we don't share is old and well known, the exact term escapes >> me - is it "ad personam"?) > ad hominem > > Tom Bell :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer definitions of the arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it seems that ad hominem is the technique of using against the opponent the same arguments the opponent has put forward, while ad personam corresponds to try and discredit one's point by making personal attacks, either to let the audience believe that such a bad person can only be in the wrong or to make the opponent angry and therefore more susceptible to other dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my naming ;) I. From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 21:31:32 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:31:32 -0600 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810141431v5ea031b9p4dd636a30bde1e32@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear Ulrich, dear everybody >> >> But getting root access via 'sudo' does work? >> > > No, not really! By example the command 'sudo dkgp' delivers the > following result: > > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ sudo dkgp > [sudo] password for bas: (here I type my password and hit the enter button) > > One should expect getting in root now, but this is not the case. I see > again this at the terminal: > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ Do you have the right permissions? what is the output from "groups"? Secondly, what does /etc/sudoers look like? You should be in a group that is setup to be able to use sudo for anything. Michael From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 22:08:54 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:08:54 +0100 Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F5084C.1080703@yahoo.it> References: <48F4F6D7.6090100@cfl.rr.com> <48F5084C.1080703@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200810142308.54303.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 21:59:56 Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > tom bell wrote: > >> Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But if you disagree with > >> someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, not the person. That's not > >> fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not meant to be a scolding, I'm > >> not referring to what has been said; the technique of attacking a person > >> whose ideas we don't share is old and well known, the exact term escapes > >> me - is it "ad personam"?) > > > > ad hominem > > > > Tom Bell > > > :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer definitions of the > > arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it seems that ad hominem is > the technique of using against the opponent the same arguments the > opponent has put forward, while ad personam corresponds to try and > discredit one's point by making personal attacks, either to let the > audience believe that such a bad person can only be in the wrong or to > make the opponent angry and therefore more susceptible to other > dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my naming ;) > > I. For those further west whose brains might still be functioning (mine has gone to sleep): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Goodnight! Lisi (UTC+1) From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 22:11:51 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:11:51 -0600 Subject: Sudden complications with Adept and Synaptic - partly solved In-Reply-To: <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> References: <48F08B51.2090907@gmail.com> <200810111349.57491.kassube@gmx.net> <200810111358.07677.info@alvin.be> <48F0FB02.2060405@gmail.com> <18bb29490810120030wc7b1e54u62686140de4c26cb@mail.gmail.com> <48F26655.6060201@gmail.com> <18bb29490810121441t71649a23pcece5ac9adad8086@mail.gmail.com> <48F35866.80305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810141511n3467128kd554a199fb6ba7a9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear Ulrich, dear everybody >> >> But getting root access via 'sudo' does work? >> > > No, not really! By example the command 'sudo dkgp' delivers the > following result: > > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ sudo dkgp > [sudo] password for bas: (here I type my password and hit the enter button) > > One should expect getting in root now, but this is not the case. I see > again this at the terminal: > bas at Viaconsensus1:~$ Do you have the right permissions? what is the output from "groups"? Secondly, what does /etc/sudoers look like? You should be in a group that is setup to be able to use sudo for anything. Michael From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 22:28:47 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F5084C.1080703@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <883761.17690.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:59 PM > tom bell wrote: > >> Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But > if you disagree with > >> someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, > not the person. That's not > >> fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not > meant to be a scolding, I'm > >> not referring to what has been said; the technique > of attacking a person > >> whose ideas we don't share is old and well > known, the exact term escapes > >> me - is it "ad personam"?) > > ad hominem > > > > Tom Bell > > :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer > definitions of the > arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it seems that > ad hominem is > the technique of using against the opponent the same > arguments the > opponent has put forward, while ad personam corresponds to > try and > discredit one's point by making personal attacks, > either to let the > audience believe that such a bad person can only be in the > wrong or to > make the opponent angry and therefore more susceptible to > other > dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my naming ;) > > I. > This is an invention of Shopenhauer. The classical term is ad hominem, when personal characteristics are used as argument against some statement (thesis). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem I do not remember Shopenhauer in details to argue about. If you like it to be right I don't mind ;-) But in my posting I used a question (do you get the point now), which was in the middle of the debate ... and I do not see there any kind of argument (ad hominem or ad personam), which may lead you to this conclusion. In fact the subjective interpretation of this question, may let you think I'm insulting the person ... but I would say this goes too far and is/was a subject of discussion initiated by another question "What do you mean exactly?" Regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 22:36:30 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0810140753rc3c1310n3750f1272b9d1a76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <287377.10950.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Michael Hirsch wrote: > From: Michael Hirsch > Subject: Re: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:53 PM > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Derek Broughton > wrote: > > Art Alexion wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek > Broughton wrote: > >>> Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong > counts on messages > >>> (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it > doesn't have anything > >>> remotely like logical navigation, but it does > do a better job of > >>> synchronizing messages and calendars from the > Exchange server than either > >>> the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with > only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a > >>> web browser. I sure wish I could do this with > Kontact. > >> > >> I can't agree with you more. Except, I use > Evolution instead of XP on an > >> old box or a VM to connect. > > > > Then you're agreeing completely :-) I _did_ use > XP, but as of today that > > machine is just a boat anchor, because Evolution > replaced it. > > > >> You get used to the navigation, and yes, its > >> ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than > doesn't work. > > > > Indeed. The XP box was taking 10-15 minutes to log > in, open outlook and > > connect to the Exchange server, and show me my new > mail. Evolution is much > > faster and better (though ugly). > > I tried to use evolution for months to contact my work > exchange > server. It just crashed and crashed and crashed. My > solution was to > buy crossover office and run outlook from KDE. Now I only > have to > restart outlook once a day, or so. > > kmail would actually work with the exchange imap server, > but it was > horribly slow and none of the groupware features were > usable. > > My coworker here tried to use Evolution and KDE 4.1 under > fedora and > got constant lockups, so now he is converting to Gnome > which seems to > work better. :-( For KDE to be useful in a work setting, > kmail (and > the rest of Kontact) needs to get good Exchange support. > > Michael > I've been using evolution with exchange plugin with Suse 10.2 and now I switched to kubuntu 8.04 and use evolution the same way. I do not experience any troubles with it. It's working great. Calender, Mail, Reminder, public calender and so on. It has crashed once or twice in about 2 years noe, but I'm sure outlook crashes too, so may be you have to look at the debuging info and track the problem down. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 22:39:12 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810140727j2c78c19fje5bdb915977a0a8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <846427.39745.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > From: Dotan Cohen > Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:27 PM > 2008/10/14 Jason Straight > : > > you can format it with linux as well - sudo mkfs.vfat > -F32 /dev/[sdcard] > > > > or -F16 if you want fat16. > > > > Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are picky > about USB storage > formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 filenames. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has nothing to do with it. Correct me if I'm wrong. regards From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 23:03:28 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:03:28 -0400 Subject: On/Off switch problem on Compaq Ivo N620c. Message-ID: <48F52540.7020801@sbcglobal.net> Money and me are too much strangers. Recently I purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c Laptop. I only owned it a couple of days and the On/Off switch started giving me trouble. Also, the Hibernation button gave me the same problem before I learned that it was not the On/Off button. Anyway, the Laptop worked normally for the first two days. Each time I turned it off and back on again, it worked flawlessly. I did that several times. I was using the Hibernate button all those times, but it seemed to shut the computer off. Then it started to not turn on when the button was depressed. I would try from time to time and eventually it would turn the computer on again. For several days, I just kept the computer running while getting the new OS, Kubuntu Gutsy configured and working properly. I also was looking for and working out bugs and fixes. Finally, I thought I had figured the potential problem. I thought that perhaps the battery had to be in the computer to work, even if plugged into outside power. I thought perhaps that the connection pins had been used so much that they would not always make a complete connection, so I turned off the computer to allow the problem to return; I wantedd to test my theory. I planned to check the battery pins and clean and adjust if necessary. But when I turned off the computer, it would not turn on again. I have been trying to turn it on several times a day for several days without success. I thought perhaps Compaq Ivo owners may have had the same problems after four years or so of ownership. If so, I hoped to get a solution. As I mentioned I don't have a lot of money. I am retired on a very low fixed income and would like to fix the laptop myself. But it would be nice to know the exact problem before starting to buy parts that may not be defective. Any experience or knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Steven From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 23:05:37 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <465952.43933.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Thorny wrote: > From: Thorny > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 11:46 AM > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:47:04 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > > Did you work on Etch - I spent years, and should > disagree with you. > > > > Yes Emanoil, I wrote my comment because I have been in > several forums and > lists and newsgroups where people have had trouble with > network-manager. > You, yourself stated you had trouble, so what are you > disagreeing about? I had trouble with kubuntu and network manager not with debian. And the problem from my point of view is that there are few systems working (or not) together like dbus, avahi the old ifconfig etc ... and the gui part. > > None of your advice is going to work *after* > network-manager has been > purged from the system, which is what the poster stated. oh, I should have missed it. The poster could have installed it again ... for me it's working after fixing the dbus part. > > > > > PS.: this is another argument why developers should > focus on making > > kubuntu more stable and user friendly and not look > much nicer ... but as I > > said I don't want to discuss this topic over again > > Hummmmm! Generally people who don't want to discuss > something further just > don't mention it again. > This was the point ;-) regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 23:15:34 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200810140808.58544.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <416168.39449.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Lisi Reisz wrote: > From: Lisi Reisz > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 9:08 AM > On Monday 13 October 2008 22:47:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Thorny > wrote: > > > From: Thorny > > > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy > > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:42 PM > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz > wrote: > > > > I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter > with > > > > > > Kubuntu Hardy installed. > > > > > > > It is fully updated. > > > > > > > > The needs are: > > > > > > > > A UK English base for most programs and the > desktop. > > > > > > So a UK English > > > > > > > installation. > > > > > > > > Japanese input from the keyboard. > > > > > > > > Wireless connection using DHCP. > > > > > > > > The first two I have, tho' the second > took a long > > > > > > while. > > > > Hello, again sharing experience and erading just this > one mail - I also had > > a trouble with the network configuration - not quite > the same like you - > > until I found that dbus is triggering the KDE > networkmanager. I then fixed > > the scripts in /etc/dbus-1/ > > > > Someone suggested to leave only the lo interface in > the > > /etc/network/interfaces and everything worked but not > for me because I > > have to have the network configured before I log in, > because my root > > partition is on nfs. > > > > So if you want to use ifconfig and so on there should > be something in the > > file telling ifconfig about your interface. In fact > under debian I had > > following > > > > # The primary network interface > > auto eth1 > > allow-hotplug eth1 > > iface eth1 inet dhcp > > > > and it was working much better than now in terms > that've been seeing the > > network configuration under kde ... now I see > that's connected (after I > > added hotplug into the dbus files, but don't see > IP etc. > > > > > > The internet connection is proving a > nightmare. I can > > > > > > find no way of > > > > > > > making the settings endure, and no way of > setting up > > > > > > DHCP at all. > > > > > > > Both ethernet and the wireless card will > work for one > > > > > > session, and one > > > > > > > session only, if I put static settings in, > but > > > > > > although I am told that the > > > > > > > settings have been saved, they clearly have > not. > > > > > > > > I have tried installing and uninstalling > > > > > > knetworkmanager. It seems to > > > > > > > make not a blind bit of difference. > > > > > > > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing > > > > > > /etc/network/interfaces but > > > > > > > Kubuntu seems just to ignore it. I have > reinstalled > > > > > > knetworkmanager > > > > > > > (which seems to be only an applet anyway, > that links > > > > > > to the network > > > > > > > settings in the control panel), renamed > > > > > > /etc/network/interfaces and left > > > > > > > the network manager to reinstate it. Still > the > > > > > > settings do not endure > > > > > > > past a restart and still DHCP simply > doesn't work. > > > > > > > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend > another > > > > > > distro that would > > > > > > > fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop > and I > > > > > > have been trying to get > > > > > > > it going and fulfilling the criteria since > the middle > > > > > > of August. She is > > > > > > > beginning, with some justification, to ask > why I > > > > > > don't just use Windows. > > > > > > > TIA > > > > Lisi > > > > > > I have no experience with networkmanager but I > have seen it > > > written > > > several places as "network mangler" by > people who > > > have had frustrations > > > with it. > > > > > > To make sure you are really back to a place where > manual > > > config could work > > > perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than > the K > > > frontend. You could > > > try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon > that tries > > > to keep a > > > connection always up and which has caused lots of > people > > > difficulties, > > > since Debian Etch if I remember correctly. > > > > Did you work on Etch - I spent years, and should > disagree with you. > > > > > With it purged, you should be able to manually > configure > > > your ethernet > > > interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto; > inet; dhcp > > > and when you > > > restart networking it should ask the router's > DHCP > > > server for an IP > > > address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if > appropriate on > > > your system) > > > ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig > (interface) > > > up. That should > > > read the manual configuration ...or, at least, > drop some > > > error message. > > > > I would recommend following > > > > 1) do you want network be configured before you login > or not, by what you > > are saying I conclude you don't care, so remove > everyhting from > > /etc/network/interfaces except your lo device config > > > > cat /etc/network/interfaces > > auto lo > > iface lo inet loopback > > address 127.0.0.1 > > netmask 255.0.0.0 > > > > > > 2) there is a problem with the dbus config I suppose > but try restarting > > dbus instead networiking (configure the interface over > the kontrol center > > to use dhcp) > > > > sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart > > restarted. No mention oif network when telling me both > what it was shutting > down and what what it was opening up. > > > > or just the network part > > > > sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart > > bash: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager: No such file or > directory > > > 3) If 2 does not work check that you are member of the > netdev and/or > > plugdev group - I would bet it's your problem > > already in plugdev. Added to netdev. Same result. > > > 4) let us know if it helped > > See above. :-( > > I had finally successfully purged network-manager and > network-manager-kde. > Now I can't get on line to reinstall them. Not by any > means. And they > aren't on the install CD I used, anyhow according to > apt. > > Now I'm really in a mess. I would reinstall teh whole > thing from scratch, > but that would scrap the Japanese and I still wouldn't > be online. > > > I've fixed this by writing and reading few > postings and experimenting for a > > while > > > > - wireless works > > - network works > > > > regards > > > > > > PS.: this is another argument why developers should > focus on making kubuntu > > more stable and user friendly and not look much nicer > ... but as I said I > > don't want to discuss this topic over again apologize - seems that I'm pretty good in fixing things but not writing solutions for others. I hsould reconsider this in future. regards From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 15 00:15:33 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:15:33 -0400 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 99 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F53625.7050607@cfl.rr.com> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> > From: Ignazio Palmisano >> > Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released >> > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:59 PM >> > tom bell wrote: >>>> > >> Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But >> > if you disagree with >>>> > >> someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, >> > not the person. That's not >>>> > >> fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not >> > meant to be a scolding, I'm >>>> > >> not referring to what has been said; the technique >> > of attacking a person >>>> > >> whose ideas we don't share is old and well >> > known, the exact term escapes >>>> > >> me - is it "ad personam"?) >>> > > ad hominem >>> > > >>> > > Tom Bell >> > >> > :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer >> > definitions of the >> > arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it seems that >> > ad hominem is >> > the technique of using against the opponent the same >> > arguments the >> > opponent has put forward, while ad personam corresponds to >> > try and >> > discredit one's point by making personal attacks, >> > either to let the >> > audience believe that such a bad person can only be in the >> > wrong or to >> > make the opponent angry and therefore more susceptible to >> > other >> > dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my naming ;) >> > >> > I. >> > > > This is an invention of Shopenhauer. The classical term is ad hominem, when personal characteristics are used as argument against some statement (thesis). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > > I do not remember Shopenhauer in details to argue about. > > If you like it to be right I don't mind ;-) But in my posting I used a question (do you get the point now), which was in the middle of the debate ... and I do not see there any kind of argument (ad hominem or ad personam), which may lead you to this conclusion. > In fact the subjective interpretation of this question, may let you think I'm insulting the person ... but I would say this goes too far and is/was a subject of discussion initiated by another question "What do you mean exactly?" > > Regards > > If you ever take a course on debate you will find that indeed "ad hominem" is listed among the classic debate styles and is eschewed as a personal attack not worthy of being used in a serious debate. Tom Bell “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” -- Albert Einstein, Physicist (1879-1955) From murray.dw at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 01:51:55 2008 From: murray.dw at gmail.com (Douglas Murray) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:51:55 -0400 Subject: Lost Wireless with new 26.21 Kernel Message-ID: <613eb9d20810141851k484a159bqf811046c8f491a2d@mail.gmail.com> Hi All Can anyone help me with this problem? I run Ubuntu 8.04 with Kernel 26.19 and all runs fine(on eee 900) , until... The system let me know that their were upgrades waiting. I initiated the update which created a new kernel 26.21 which disabled (and I can't see where) the wrreless interface ath0. I verified the following: - Enabled in BIOS -- Yes - Hardware settings -- System sees both eth0 and ath0 - NetworkManager sees both interfaces -- No, just eth0 - Wireless indicator LED on -- Yes Any suggestions? My short term workaround was to use the previous kernel (via GRUB) but I would like to fix this. Thank you in advance, Doug! -- Henry Kissinger "There can't be a Crisis, my schedule is full for next week!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kap4lin at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 05:51:25 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:51:25 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: <48F1ED99.3050309@gmail.com> References: <200810061452.21947.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <200810072227.55927.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <48F1ED99.3050309@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > To the latter question, I cannot give a clear answer. However, I found > out some months ago how to generate a 'list of installed files' on one > Kubuntu machine in order to get the same software package on another [snip] > ~$ sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > kubuntu-files [snip] Oh boy, this is entirely different! You seem to have confused between a list of installed packages and the list of _files_ installed _by_ one package. For example, try the following: ~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep kdebase-bin-kde3 ~$ dpkg -L kdebase-bin-kde3 While the former shows that the software package "kdebase-bin-kde3" is installed the later gives the _files_ which are part of the kdebase-bin-kde3 package. And certainly, you do not need sudo privileges for --get-selections!! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 06:20:17 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:17 -0400 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 99 In-Reply-To: <48F53625.7050607@cfl.rr.com> References: <48F53625.7050607@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1224051618.5898.102.camel@iam> On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 20:15 -0400, tom bell wrote: > If you ever take a course on debate you will find that indeed "ad > hominem" is listed among the classic debate styles and is eschewed as a > personal attack not worthy of being used in a serious debate. Sorta like our present election system? :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 07:28:49 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:28:49 +0200 Subject: Lost Wireless with new 26.21 Kernel In-Reply-To: <613eb9d20810141851k484a159bqf811046c8f491a2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <613eb9d20810141851k484a159bqf811046c8f491a2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/15 Douglas Murray : > Hi All > > Can anyone help me with this problem? I run Ubuntu 8.04 with Kernel 26.19 > and all runs fine(on eee 900) , until... The system let me know that their > were upgrades waiting. I initiated the update which created a new kernel > 26.21 which disabled (and I can't see where) the wrreless interface ath0. > The kernel i have is 2.6.24.19.21 and the one i can upgrade to is 2.6.24.21.23 so i guess that 26.21 is just a typo? I can't see anything in the changelog for the kernel related to network though there is some network related changes in the linux-restricted-modules package. What networkcard do you have and what driver is it using? I would file a bug and keep running the old kernel until it's fixed. / Jonas From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 15 08:11:03 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:11:03 +0100 Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <883761.17690.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <883761.17690.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F5A597.4050909@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> From: Ignazio Palmisano >> Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:59 PM >> tom bell wrote: >>>> Fake politeness is useless, in this we agree. But >> if you disagree with >>>> someone else's ideas, you attack the ideas, >> not the person. That's not >>>> fake politeness, that's respect. (it's not >> meant to be a scolding, I'm >>>> not referring to what has been said; the technique >> of attacking a person >>>> whose ideas we don't share is old and well >> known, the exact term escapes >>>> me - is it "ad personam"?) >>> ad hominem >>> >>> Tom Bell >> :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer >> definitions of the >> arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it seems that >> ad hominem is >> the technique of using against the opponent the same >> arguments the >> opponent has put forward, while ad personam corresponds to >> try and >> discredit one's point by making personal attacks, >> either to let the >> audience believe that such a bad person can only be in the >> wrong or to >> make the opponent angry and therefore more susceptible to >> other >> dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my naming ;) >> >> I. >> > > This is an invention of Shopenhauer. The classical term is ad hominem, when personal characteristics are used as argument against some statement (thesis). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Uh that's rough, now I have to complain to Schopenhauer... will take forever to find his email address ;) From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 15 08:18:24 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:18:24 +0100 Subject: On/Off switch problem on Compaq Ivo N620c. In-Reply-To: <48F52540.7020801@sbcglobal.net> References: <48F52540.7020801@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48F5A750.4010200@yahoo.it> Steven Vollom wrote: > Money and me are too much strangers. Recently I purchased a used Compaq > Ivo N620c Laptop. I only owned it a couple of days and the On/Off > switch started giving me trouble. Also, the Hibernation button gave me > the same problem before I learned that it was not the On/Off button. > > Anyway, the Laptop worked normally for the first two days. Each time I > turned it off and back on again, it worked flawlessly. I did that > several times. I was using the Hibernate button all those times, but it > seemed to shut the computer off. Then it started to not turn on when > the button was depressed. I would try from time to time and eventually > it would turn the computer on again. Is it easy to disassemble the laptop close to the power button? It might be that there is some dust that's preventing it from working properly. HTH, I. > > For several days, I just kept the computer running while getting the new > OS, Kubuntu Gutsy configured and working properly. I also was looking > for and working out bugs and fixes. Finally, I thought I had figured > the potential problem. I thought that perhaps the battery had to be in > the computer to work, even if plugged into outside power. I thought > perhaps that the connection pins had been used so much that they would > not always make a complete connection, so I turned off the computer to > allow the problem to return; I wantedd to test my theory. I planned to > check the battery pins and clean and adjust if necessary. But when I > turned off the computer, it would not turn on again. I have been trying > to turn it on several times a day for several days without success. > > I thought perhaps Compaq Ivo owners may have had the same problems after > four years or so of ownership. If so, I hoped to get a solution. > > As I mentioned I don't have a lot of money. I am retired on a very low > fixed income and would like to fix the laptop myself. But it would be > nice to know the exact problem before starting to buy parts that may not > be defective. Any experience or knowledge would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Steven > From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 08:24:06 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:24:06 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <846427.39745.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00810140727j2c78c19fje5bdb915977a0a8f@mail.gmail.com> <846427.39745.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810150124y415b7154p2f608456e26010f8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : >> Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are picky >> about USB storage >> formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 filenames. >> > > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has nothing to do with it. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > That may be the problem, then. Hebrew Windows computers format the disk in such a way that I can move files with Hebrew filenames safely between systems. Linux does not. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 08:25:21 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F53625.7050607@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <248942.95170.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, tom bell wrote: > From: tom bell > Subject: Re: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 99 > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 2:15 AM > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Ignazio Palmisano > wrote: > > > >> > From: Ignazio Palmisano > > >> > Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad > hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 > released > >> > To: "Kubuntu Help and User > Discussions" > >> > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:59 PM > >> > tom bell wrote: > >>>> > >> Fake politeness is useless, > in this we agree. But > >> > if you disagree with > >>>> > >> someone else's ideas, > you attack the ideas, > >> > not the person. That's not > >>>> > >> fake politeness, that's > respect. (it's not > >> > meant to be a scolding, I'm > >>>> > >> not referring to what has > been said; the technique > >> > of attacking a person > >>>> > >> whose ideas we don't > share is old and well > >> > known, the exact term escapes > >>>> > >> me - is it "ad > personam"?) > >>> > > ad hominem > >>> > > > >>> > > Tom Bell > >> > > >> > :D out of curiosity I've reread > Schopenhauer > >> > definitions of the > >> > arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, > it seems that > >> > ad hominem is > >> > the technique of using against the opponent > the same > >> > arguments the > >> > opponent has put forward, while ad personam > corresponds to > >> > try and > >> > discredit one's point by making personal > attacks, > >> > either to let the > >> > audience believe that such a bad person can > only be in the > >> > wrong or to > >> > make the opponent angry and therefore more > susceptible to > >> > other > >> > dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right > in my naming ;) > >> > > >> > I. > >> > > > > > This is an invention of Shopenhauer. The classical > term is ad hominem, when personal characteristics are used > as argument against some statement (thesis). > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > > > > I do not remember Shopenhauer in details to argue > about. > > > > If you like it to be right I don't mind ;-) But > in my posting I used a question (do you get the point now), > which was in the middle of the debate ... and I do not see > there any kind of argument (ad hominem or ad personam), > which may lead you to this conclusion. > > In fact the subjective interpretation of this > question, may let you think I'm insulting the person ... > but I would say this goes too far and is/was a subject of > discussion initiated by another question "What do you > mean exactly?" > > > > Regards > > > > > If you ever take a course on debate you will find that > indeed "ad > hominem" is listed among the classic debate styles and > is eschewed as a > personal attack not worthy of being used in a serious > debate. > > Tom Bell > I think Ignatio took too many courses may be in philosophy as he is pointing me (us) to an aspect that I/we was/were not aware of. What I disagree with is the premiss (the assumption) he makes. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 08:42:08 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810150124y415b7154p2f608456e26010f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489912.44224.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > From: Dotan Cohen > Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 10:24 AM > 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : > >> Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are > picky > >> about USB storage > >> formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 > filenames. > >> > > > > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There > for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has > nothing to do with it. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > That may be the problem, then. Hebrew Windows computers > format the > disk in such a way that I can move files with Hebrew > filenames safely > between systems. Linux does not. > Linux does if you tell it to. Read the vfat portion of 'man mount' [cite] (Note: fat is not a separate filesystem, but a common part of the msdos, umsdos and vfat filesystems.) ... codepage=value Sets the codepage for converting to shortname characters on FAT and VFAT filesystems. By default, codepage 437 is used. ... conv=b[inary] / conv=t[ext] / conv=a[uto] The fat file system can perform CRLF<-->NL (MS-DOS text format to UNIX text format) conversion in the kernel. The following conversion modes are available: binary no translation is performed. This is the default. text CRLF<-->NL translation is performed on all files. auto CRLF<-->NL translation is performed on all files that don’t have a "well-known binary" extension. The list of known extensions can be found at the beginning of fs/fat/misc.c (as of 2.0, the list is: exe, com, bin, app, sys, drv, ovl, ovr, obj, lib, dll, pif, arc, zip, lha, lzh, zoo, tar, z, arj, tz, taz, tzp, tpz, gz, tgz, deb, gif, bmp, tif, gl, jpg, pcx, tfm, vf, gf, pk, pxl, dvi). Programs that do computed lseeks won’t like in-kernel text conversion. Several people have had their data ruined by this translation. Beware! For file systems mounted in binary mode, a conversion tool (fromdos/todos) is available. ... iocharset=value Character set to use for converting between 8 bit characters and 16 bit Unicode characters. The default is iso8859-1. Long filenames are stored on disk in Unicode format. [cite] It is obvious that for hebrew the defaulted codepage and iocharset are not correct. Windows is the owner of the fat/vfat (fat32) filesystem, so they do it more elegantly ... but you have there only the msdos or ntfs filesystems as an option - this makes it a bit easier for them and for you. Linux supports a dozen of filesystems .... so it's a bit more complicated when the system has to know what to do with a drive when mounted. I am not that experienced in the field to tell you how to configure automount, but there is a way to let the system recognize your drive and mount with options suitable for it. since Linux supports ntfs write I prefer using this for portable drives as the fs is more mature and safe, when it comes to recover data. In your case I assume your hendheld can do only fat/vfat, so no choice. Just make the correct entry in your fstab file for this drive and I hope it will work forever regards From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 09:14:04 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:14:04 +0200 Subject: Lost Wireless with new 26.21 Kernel In-Reply-To: References: <613eb9d20810141851k484a159bqf811046c8f491a2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810150214o7e84026dv69cf8853bc708156@mail.gmail.com> On 15/10/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/15 Douglas Murray : > > Hi All > > > > Can anyone help me with this problem? I run Ubuntu 8.04 with Kernel 26.19 > > and all runs fine(on eee 900) , until... The system let me know that their > > were upgrades waiting. I initiated the update which created a new kernel > > 26.21 which disabled (and I can't see where) the wrreless interface ath0. > > > > The kernel i have is 2.6.24.19.21 and the one i can upgrade to is > 2.6.24.21.23 so i guess that 26.21 is just a typo? > I can't see anything in the changelog for the kernel related to > network though there is some network related changes in the > linux-restricted-modules package. What networkcard do you have and > what driver is it using? I would file a bug and keep running the old > kernel until it's fixed. > sometimes i notice that a kernel gets releases, but the restricted modules for that kernel are not released along with it, could his problem be that he has not installed the restricted modules for his new kernel? i don't have an atheros wireless to test this out, so can't be sure. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 09:59:33 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:59:33 +0200 Subject: Is this the correct MD5sum-code for my Kubuntu 8.10 iso file? Message-ID: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> Dear everybody Some hours ago, I downloaded via 'KTorrent' an i386 iso file for Kubuntu 8.10 beta. Before burning the live CD and installing Intreprid on an empty partition, I would like to check the integrity of the downloaded iso file. So, I checked the instruction page on 'MD5SUM': https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes Following the instructions on that page, I opened a terminal and did the MD5SUM check. This is the code that came out: b054fd985294c80dcd6400fede533c72 kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso (I exactly copied this code from the terminal, including the empty space between '..c72' and 'kubuntu..'. ) As usual in similar situations, I went to this page to check whether this is the right MD5SUM code: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes But the 'md5 hash' codes for Intreprid have not yet been published on this page. So, I already filed an update request: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/283667 That's why would appreciate one or a few other forum members to also carry out the 'MD5SUM check' at the same iso file. Pls. let me now whether your MD5SUM code is the same as the one above. I have downloaded my iso file from an Ubuntu mirror in The Netherlands. May be you can do the MD5SUM check from the same iso file, but downloaded from one or a few other mirrors. Thanks, respectfully Yours, Bas Roufs. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Wed Oct 15 10:25:43 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:25:43 +0200 Subject: Is this the correct MD5sum-code for my Kubuntu 8.10 iso file? In-Reply-To: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> References: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bas, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > Some hours ago, I downloaded via 'KTorrent' an i386 iso file for Kubuntu > 8.10 beta. Before burning the live CD and installing Intreprid on an > empty partition, I would like to check the integrity of the downloaded > iso file. So, I checked the instruction page on 'MD5SUM': > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes > Following the instructions on that page, I opened a terminal and did the > MD5SUM check. This is the code that came out: > > b054fd985294c80dcd6400fede533c72 kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso You can findd the MD5SUMS on the download website here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10/MD5SUMS it's a text file with the codes for all Kubuntu versions And yes, your checksum is correct. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 10:34:31 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:34:31 +0200 Subject: Is this the correct MD5sum-code for my Kubuntu 8.10 iso file? In-Reply-To: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> References: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810150334kf1d9181o3dc13533be13d38e@mail.gmail.com> On 15/10/2008, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > Some hours ago, I downloaded via 'KTorrent' an i386 iso file for Kubuntu > 8.10 beta. Before burning the live CD and installing Intreprid on an > empty partition, I would like to check the integrity of the downloaded > iso file. So, I checked the instruction page on 'MD5SUM': > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes > Following the instructions on that page, I opened a terminal and did the > MD5SUM check. This is the code that came out: > > b054fd985294c80dcd6400fede533c72 kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso > > (I exactly copied this code from the terminal, including the empty space > between '..c72' and 'kubuntu..'. ) > > As usual in similar situations, I went to this page to check whether > this is the right MD5SUM code: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes > > But the 'md5 hash' codes for Intreprid have not yet been published on > this page. So, I already filed an update request: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/283667 > That's why would appreciate one or a few other forum members to also > carry out the 'MD5SUM check' at the same iso file. Pls. let me now > whether your MD5SUM code is the same as the one above. > > I have downloaded my iso file from an Ubuntu mirror in The Netherlands. > May be you can do the MD5SUM check from the same iso file, but > downloaded from one or a few other mirrors. > > Thanks, respectfully Yours, > > Bas Roufs. > while checking the MD5 sum of a downloaded file is a very important step, you don't actually need it in torrent downloads, since torrents have their own unique way of calculating hashes for the pieces downloaded. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 10:46:07 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:46:07 +0200 Subject: Is this the correct MD5sum-code for my Kubuntu 8.10 iso file? In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810150334kf1d9181o3dc13533be13d38e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> <15edeae40810150334kf1d9181o3dc13533be13d38e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/15 Willy Hamra : > > while checking the MD5 sum of a downloaded file is a very important > step, you don't actually need it in torrent downloads, since torrents > have their own unique way of calculating hashes for the pieces > downloaded. > He don't say where he downloaded the file from so if it's not from the kubuntu site it's _more_ important to check the checksum of the file. Verifying the checksum of a file is not only to see that's not a bad download but also to be sure it really is the file you want and not a hacked version distributed on a P2P network. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 11:02:06 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:02:06 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <846427.39745.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00810140727j2c78c19fje5bdb915977a0a8f@mail.gmail.com> <846427.39745.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> From: Dotan Cohen >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:27 PM >> 2008/10/14 Jason Straight >> : >> > you can format it with linux as well - sudo mkfs.vfat >> -F32 /dev/[sdcard] >> > >> > or -F16 if you want fat16. >> > >> >> Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are picky >> about USB storage >> formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 filenames. >> >> -- >> Dotan Cohen >> > > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has nothing to do with it. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > regards > I think you are wrong :-) If i remember right VFAT/FAT32 Long File Names can have up to 255 UTF-16 codec characters. I don't know if you can have Long file names in FAT16 but I'm sure wikipedia has the answer. / Jonas From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 11:06:16 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:06:16 -0400 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc In-Reply-To: <287377.10950.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <9c2aabaf0810140753rc3c1310n3750f1272b9d1a76@mail.gmail.com> <287377.10950.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810150406y197ea602v976c2fb893fbb1c7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Michael Hirsch wrote: > > Derek Broughton >> wrote: >> > Art Alexion wrote: >> > >> >> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 9:23:20 am Derek >> Broughton wrote: >> >>> Evolution is ugly, it routinely gives me wrong >> counts on messages >> >>> (especially unread ones) in a folder, and it >> doesn't have anything >> >>> remotely like logical navigation, but it does >> do a better job of >> >>> synchronizing messages and calendars from the >> Exchange server than either >> >>> the XP box (which is a 7 year old P4, with >> only 256 or 512MB RAM) or a >> >>> web browser. I sure wish I could do this with >> Kontact. >> >> >> > >> >> You get used to the navigation, and yes, its >> >> ugly, but I'd rather have ugly, than >> doesn't work. >> > >> > Indeed. The XP box was taking 10-15 minutes to log >> in, open outlook and >> > connect to the Exchange server, and show me my new >> mail. Evolution is much >> > faster and better (though ugly). >> >> I tried to use evolution for months to contact my work >> exchange >> server. It just crashed and crashed and crashed. My >> solution was to >> buy crossover office and run outlook from KDE. Now I only >> have to >> restart outlook once a day, or so. >> >> kmail would actually work with the exchange imap server, >> but it was >> horribly slow and none of the groupware features were >> usable. >> >> My coworker here tried to use Evolution and KDE 4.1 under >> fedora and >> got constant lockups, so now he is converting to Gnome >> which seems to >> work better. :-( For KDE to be useful in a work setting, >> kmail (and >> the rest of Kontact) needs to get good Exchange support. > > I've been using evolution with exchange plugin with Suse 10.2 and now I switched to kubuntu 8.04 and use evolution the same way. > > I do not experience any troubles with it. It's working great. > Calender, Mail, Reminder, public calender and so on. > > It has crashed once or twice in about 2 years noe, but I'm sure outlook crashes too, so may be you have to look at the debuging info and track the problem down. I have been using evolution-exchange for about 18 months. On SLED 10.1, Ubuntu Feisty through Hardy. With the exception of a KDE laptop, I usually use it u nder gnome. It is currently extremely stable. It goes through some days of instatability, but I have traced them to the exchange server which tends to go flakey from time to time. There have also been some releases of evolution flakier than others, but thhe devs tend to focus on performance and connectivity; the interface hasn't changed since I started using it. I had the problem Derek mentioned for a period, but seems to have gotten fixed a couple of weeks ago. The folder tree showed more unread than were there, but the title bar count was accurate. Evolution currently uses OWA for exchange data, and won't work with Exchange 2007. There is a MAPI replacement in development, but not yet ready, that will work with all versions of exchange. The conduits and back end are way more reliable than kpilot and the exchange data is updated properly with a sync. I think Ingo and the rest of the kontact developers work hard to be responsive to bugs, but don't seem to fix them, just acknowledge them. The evo developers seem to work on performance over interface, and that seems to be an illustration of gnome and kde these days. I use gnome at work and kde at home. I prefer the kde interface, but the performance has taken an increasing back seat to interface. With gnome, it mostly looks the same as it did 4 years ago, but stability and performance are rock solid and improving. -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 11:08:55 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: On/Off switch problem on Compaq Ivo N620c. In-Reply-To: <48F5A750.4010200@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <469057.17034.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: On/Off switch problem on Compaq Ivo N620c. > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 10:18 AM > Steven Vollom wrote: > > Money and me are too much strangers. Recently I > purchased a used Compaq > > Ivo N620c Laptop. I only owned it a couple of days > and the On/Off > > switch started giving me trouble. Also, the > Hibernation button gave me > > the same problem before I learned that it was not the > On/Off button. > > > > Anyway, the Laptop worked normally for the first two > days. Each time I > > turned it off and back on again, it worked flawlessly. > I did that > > several times. I was using the Hibernate button all > those times, but it > > seemed to shut the computer off. Then it started to > not turn on when > > the button was depressed. I would try from time to > time and eventually > > it would turn the computer on again. > > Is it easy to disassemble the laptop close to the power > button? It might > be that there is some dust that's preventing it from > working properly. > HTH, > I. I would try first with a vacuum cleaner, but from what Steven is writing I would think that there could be some other issue with it. He says it's being used - who knows how ... and why it was sold. I found once a site where there were instructions how to disassemble different kinds and models of notebooks. Don't have the link though. > > > > > For several days, I just kept the computer running > while getting the new > > OS, Kubuntu Gutsy configured and working properly. I > also was looking > > for and working out bugs and fixes. Finally, I > thought I had figured > > the potential problem. I thought that perhaps the > battery had to be in > > the computer to work, even if plugged into outside > power. I thought > > perhaps that the connection pins had been used so much > that they would > > not always make a complete connection, so I turned off > the computer to > > allow the problem to return; I wantedd to test my > theory. I planned to > > check the battery pins and clean and adjust if > necessary. But when I > > turned off the computer, it would not turn on again. > I have been trying > > to turn it on several times a day for several days > without success. > > > > I thought perhaps Compaq Ivo owners may have had the > same problems after > > four years or so of ownership. If so, I hoped to get > a solution. > > > > As I mentioned I don't have a lot of money. I am > retired on a very low > > fixed income and would like to fix the laptop myself. > But it would be > > nice to know the exact problem before starting to buy > parts that may not > > be defective. Any experience or knowledge would be > greatly > > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > Steven > > I don't think battery or power supply has to do something with it. I hope for you it's not a defective electronic component, because finding out what and replacing it is not that easy. By the way I think the notebook you are talking about is Evo not Ivo ... couldn't find anything about Ivo but a bunch of articles about Evo. It might be that the on/off button or the hibernate one is not actually contacting the switch below it. Or the switch is dirty or oxidated. In this case it should be cleaned up and a vacuum cleaner will not help. There are special fluids sold in shops for soldering parts in form of spray. But those are only theories. Supporting a company here I had experience with few heavily used notebooks where the switch was not working all the time. When we did open the cover it was visible that the copper plate below the switch was just used up. I can imagine this for the on/off switch but hibernation ... well might be the first owner was using it more frequently than I do. hope some of this will give you idea which way to go regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 11:12:39 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F5A597.4050909@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <335953.10976.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 10:11 AM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Ignazio Palmisano > wrote: > > > >> From: Ignazio Palmisano > > >> Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad > hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 > released > >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:59 PM > >> tom bell wrote: > >>>> Fake politeness is useless, in this we > agree. But > >> if you disagree with > >>>> someone else's ideas, you attack the > ideas, > >> not the person. That's not > >>>> fake politeness, that's respect. > (it's not > >> meant to be a scolding, I'm > >>>> not referring to what has been said; the > technique > >> of attacking a person > >>>> whose ideas we don't share is old and > well > >> known, the exact term escapes > >>>> me - is it "ad personam"?) > >>> ad hominem > >>> > >>> Tom Bell > >> :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer > >> definitions of the > >> arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it > seems that > >> ad hominem is > >> the technique of using against the opponent the > same > >> arguments the > >> opponent has put forward, while ad personam > corresponds to > >> try and > >> discredit one's point by making personal > attacks, > >> either to let the > >> audience believe that such a bad person can only > be in the > >> wrong or to > >> make the opponent angry and therefore more > susceptible to > >> other > >> dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my > naming ;) > >> > >> I. > >> > > > > This is an invention of Shopenhauer. The classical > term is ad hominem, when personal characteristics are used > as argument against some statement (thesis). > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > > Uh that's rough, now I have to complain to > Schopenhauer... will take > forever to find his email address ;) > Hahaha, may be in some next incarnation :-D Could you give me the name of the book you found this. I've read Schopenhauer many years ago and may be it's a time to reread. (unfortunately not before 8.11) regards From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 11:13:16 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:13:16 +0200 Subject: Is this the correct MD5sum-code for my Kubuntu 8.10 iso file? [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: <48F5BF05.5020201@gmail.com> <15edeae40810150334kf1d9181o3dc13533be13d38e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F5D04C.5060901@gmail.com> Dear Everybody Thanks for all the quick input in this short thread. My MD5SUM question has already been resolved. If you have a similar question on one of the Kubuntu 8.10 iso versions, you can find the answer at this page: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10/MD5SUMS Thanks for pointing at this page, Myriam. Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. ************************** From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 11:30:06 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <349421.35429.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jonas Norlander wrote: > From: Jonas Norlander > Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:02 PM > 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Dotan Cohen > wrote: > > > >> From: Dotan Cohen > >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:27 PM > >> 2008/10/14 Jason Straight > >> : > >> > you can format it with linux as well - sudo > mkfs.vfat > >> -F32 /dev/[sdcard] > >> > > >> > or -F16 if you want fat16. > >> > > >> > >> Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are > picky > >> about USB storage > >> formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 > filenames. > >> > >> -- > >> Dotan Cohen > >> > > > > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There > for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has > nothing to do with it. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > regards > > > > I think you are wrong :-) > > If i remember right VFAT/FAT32 Long File Names can have up > to 255 > UTF-16 codec characters. I don't know if you can have > Long file names > in FAT16 but I'm sure wikipedia has the answer. > > / Jonas Why should I then specify the codepage and iocharset as a mount option if it was all about UTF? defaulting to iso8859-1 (western europe without EURO sign) speaks for itself ... besides utf is not unicode - the specification says unicode. Windows is talking also about unicode. I think Dotans problem is useing default values which corresponds to western chars ... but of course I'm not sure about it. most file names are may be in the iso8859 table but having one in hebrew breaks his task ... as far as I understood regards From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:12:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:12:07 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <489912.44224.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00810150124y415b7154p2f608456e26010f8@mail.gmail.com> <489912.44224.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810150512j2b31c67j267f2676c4d4b0dc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> From: Dotan Cohen >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only >> To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 10:24 AM >> 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : >> >> Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are >> picky >> >> about USB storage >> >> formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 >> filenames. >> >> >> > >> > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There >> for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has >> nothing to do with it. >> > >> > Correct me if I'm wrong. >> > >> >> That may be the problem, then. Hebrew Windows computers >> format the >> disk in such a way that I can move files with Hebrew >> filenames safely >> between systems. Linux does not. >> > > Linux does if you tell it to. Read the vfat portion of 'man mount' > > [cite] > (Note: fat is not a separate filesystem, but a common part of the msdos, umsdos and vfat filesystems.) > > ... > > codepage=value > Sets the codepage for converting to shortname characters on FAT and VFAT filesystems. By > default, codepage 437 is used. > > ... > conv=b[inary] / conv=t[ext] / conv=a[uto] > The fat file system can perform CRLF<-->NL (MS-DOS text format to UNIX text format) conversion > in the kernel. The following conversion modes are available: > > binary no translation is performed. This is the default. > > text CRLF<-->NL translation is performed on all files. > > auto CRLF<-->NL translation is performed on all files that don't have a "well-known binary" > extension. The list of known extensions can be found at the beginning of fs/fat/misc.c > (as of 2.0, the list is: exe, com, bin, app, sys, drv, ovl, ovr, obj, lib, dll, pif, arc, > zip, lha, lzh, zoo, tar, z, arj, tz, taz, tzp, tpz, gz, tgz, deb, gif, bmp, tif, gl, jpg, > pcx, tfm, vf, gf, pk, pxl, dvi). > > Programs that do computed lseeks won't like in-kernel text conversion. Several people have had > their data ruined by this translation. Beware! > > For file systems mounted in binary mode, a conversion tool (fromdos/todos) is available. > ... > > iocharset=value > Character set to use for converting between 8 bit characters and 16 bit Unicode characters. The > default is iso8859-1. Long filenames are stored on disk in Unicode format. > [cite] > > It is obvious that for hebrew the defaulted codepage and iocharset are not correct. > > Windows is the owner of the fat/vfat (fat32) filesystem, so they do it more elegantly ... but you have there only the msdos or ntfs filesystems as an option - this makes it a bit easier for them and for you. > Linux supports a dozen of filesystems .... so it's a bit more complicated when the system has to know what to do with a drive when mounted. > > I am not that experienced in the field to tell you how to configure automount, but there is a way to let the system recognize your drive and mount with options suitable for it. > > since Linux supports ntfs write I prefer using this for portable drives as the fs is more mature and safe, when it comes to recover data. > > In your case I assume your hendheld can do only fat/vfat, so no choice. Just make the correct entry in your fstab file for this drive and I hope it will work forever > > regards > Thanks. I actually have read the manpage and come to the conclusion that while I _could_ format the drive properly in Linux by careful experimentation, and then mount it again on specific Linux computers after fiddling with fstab, I simply prefer to format the drive on Windows and have the advantage that it will work on any system with no fiddling. A side advantage is that I save the time of experimentation. Problem: I have not Windows computer! And the library machines do not have admin access, which is needed to format disks. So I kindly asked a student whom I do not know if I could format my drive on his laptop. Problem solved! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 15 12:45:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:45:20 -0300 Subject: Kontact Calendar - IMAP etc References: <9c2aabaf0810140753rc3c1310n3750f1272b9d1a76@mail.gmail.com> <287377.10950.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5a1f6bd00810150406y197ea602v976c2fb893fbb1c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1392362.jgjMVcRYtt@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > I had the problem Derek mentioned for a period, but seems to have > gotten fixed a couple of weeks ago. The folder tree showed more > unread than were there, but the title bar count was accurate. In fact, I think I'm putting that down to the exchange server too. If I wait long enough, the folder display is actually corrected. > Evolution currently uses OWA for exchange data, and won't work with > Exchange 2007. There is a MAPI replacement in development, but not > yet ready, that will work with all versions of exchange. That's good - I expect it will be available before this client actually gets around to upgrading to Exchange 2007 (which I would expect not to happen before 2009). > > The conduits and back end are way more reliable than kpilot and the > exchange data is updated properly with a sync. Great. That's the next thing I wanted to check. > > I think Ingo and the rest of the kontact developers work hard to be > responsive to bugs, but don't seem to fix them, just acknowledge them. Yes. I just got so tired of seeing not only acknowledgement of problems, but submitted patches that nobody would either apply or at even give an opinion of their value. I'm waiting for Intrepid, to see what the latest kontact looks like, but if it's not much-improved (and I get the impression it isn't), I may well switch the rest of my kontact usage to evolution, too. > The evo developers seem to work on performance over interface, and > that seems to be an illustration of gnome and kde these days. I use > gnome at work and kde at home. I prefer the kde interface, but the > performance has taken an increasing back seat to interface. With > gnome, it mostly looks the same as it did 4 years ago, but stability > and performance are rock solid and improving. Sad, but I think you're probably right. -- derek From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:22:04 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:22:04 +0100 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200810131151.29348.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810151422.05032.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Monday 13 October 2008 15:42:16 Thorny wrote: > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend another distro that would > > fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop and I have been trying to > > get it going and fulfilling the criteria since the middle of August. She > > is beginning, with some justification, to ask why I don't just use > > Windows. > > I have no experience with networkmanager but I have seen it written > several places as "network mangler" by people who have had frustrations > with it. > > To make sure you are really back to a place where manual config could work > perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than the K frontend. You could > try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon that tries to keep a > connection always up and which has caused lots of people difficulties, > since Debian Etch if I remember correctly. > > With it purged, you should be able to manually configure your ethernet > interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto; inet; dhcp and when you > restart networking it should ask the router's DHCP server for an IP > address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if appropriate on your system) > ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig (interface) up. That should > read the manual configuration ...or, at least, drop some error message. I have for the moment shelved this, and someone else is working on it for me, but I am very grateful for all the help. I may yet have to come back too, if he doesn't succeed either. I gather that I have perhaps made it difficult for people to assess my skill levels. I know nothing about wireless on Linux other than that people say it is tricky. Until now I have never had an occasion where I needed to use it. (I use homeplug on my own network.) But I do know/understand a reasonable, tho' not a large, chunk of the rest. My knowledge is patchy. Some things - things that I have managed to do in the past or that someone has explained clearly - I understand. Thorny has suggested that his original email in this thread might have been above my head. In fact, I understood it perfectly and had in fact already tried to do it, but had failed. It is the methid I use in my day to day contact with my network. Some of the other suggestions I had not met or did not understand/know. And I was panicking, so that I was not using either my brains or the knowledge I have got by the end. (E.g., it was not until after I had sent my last missive that I realised that I could get on line by booting to the command line. With Kubuntu out of the way the network was accessible. Those who have good memories and were reading the thread will remember taht I said to Willy that I had the experience but he the knowledge. I know a lot about computers compared to teh man in teh street, but not a lot about then compared to you lot. I am sad that I have not succeeded in getting wireless going, since that bugbear still lurks out there. But I think that I'll get it going on a Debian system or something else that I find comparatively easy before I try Kubuntu again. Unless, of course, I get this particular problem back. There is something in my genes that has problems with Kubuntu, or something in Kubuntu's genes which has problems with me. :-( But many thanks all of you for your help. Lisi From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:33:47 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:33:47 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <349421.35429.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <349421.35429.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> From: Jonas Norlander >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only >> To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:02 PM >> 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : >> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Dotan Cohen >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Dotan Cohen >> >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only >> >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> >> >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:27 PM >> >> 2008/10/14 Jason Straight >> >> : >> >> > you can format it with linux as well - sudo >> mkfs.vfat >> >> -F32 /dev/[sdcard] >> >> > >> >> > or -F16 if you want fat16. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thanks. I've found that Windows machines are >> picky >> >> about USB storage >> >> formated on Linux, especially when using UTF-8 >> filenames. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dotan Cohen >> >> >> > >> > I don't remember that FAT has UTF support. There >> for you specify it as mount option. The formatting has >> nothing to do with it. >> > >> > Correct me if I'm wrong. >> > >> > regards >> > >> >> I think you are wrong :-) >> >> If i remember right VFAT/FAT32 Long File Names can have up >> to 255 >> UTF-16 codec characters. I don't know if you can have >> Long file names >> in FAT16 but I'm sure wikipedia has the answer. >> >> / Jonas > > Why should I then specify the codepage and iocharset as a mount option if it was all about UTF? It's not all about UTF, FAT is an _old_ filesystem and it's still needs to read and store the filenames in the "old" format to be backward compatibility besides the vfat UTF-16 encoded names. You need the iocharset mount option in order for non-ASCII characters in file names to be interpreted properly and it should be the same as the character set of your locale. So if you have a UTF-8 locale it should be set to utf8 You need the codepage to do the conversion from long to short file names and it should be set to the codepage number used under MS-DOS in your country. > besides utf is not unicode - the specification says unicode. Windows is talking also about unicode. UTF (Unicode Transformation Format) is a variable-length character encoding for Unicode. There are several ways to encode Unicode, to name a few UTF-1, UTF-7, UTF-8 and UCS-4 there are all unicode just different ways how to encode them. > I think Dotans problem is useing default values which corresponds to western chars ... but of course I'm not sure about it. > most file names are may be in the iso8859 table but having one in hebrew breaks his task ... as far as I understood > > regards > Yes i think so to. Perhaps someday all layers involving characters will work with unicode and we dont have to care about all this conversation. / Jonas From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 15 14:33:35 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:33:35 +0100 Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <248942.95170.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <248942.95170.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F5FF3F.6010806@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, tom bell wrote: > >> From: tom bell >> If you ever take a course on debate you will find that >> indeed "ad >> hominem" is listed among the classic debate styles and >> is eschewed as a >> personal attack not worthy of being used in a serious >> debate. >> >> Tom Bell >> > > I think Ignatio took too many courses may be in philosophy Nope, I'm a computer junkie I. as he is pointing me (us) to an aspect that I/we was/were not aware of. > What I disagree with is the premiss (the assumption) he makes. > > regards > > > > From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 15 14:35:29 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:35:29 +0100 Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <335953.10976.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <335953.10976.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F5FFB1.8080703@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> From: Ignazio Palmisano >> Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 10:11 AM >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >>> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Ignazio Palmisano >> wrote: >>>> From: Ignazio Palmisano >> >>>> Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad >> hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 >> released >>>> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> >>>> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:59 PM >>>> tom bell wrote: >>>>>> Fake politeness is useless, in this we >> agree. But >>>> if you disagree with >>>>>> someone else's ideas, you attack the >> ideas, >>>> not the person. That's not >>>>>> fake politeness, that's respect. >> (it's not >>>> meant to be a scolding, I'm >>>>>> not referring to what has been said; the >> technique >>>> of attacking a person >>>>>> whose ideas we don't share is old and >> well >>>> known, the exact term escapes >>>>>> me - is it "ad personam"?) >>>>> ad hominem >>>>> >>>>> Tom Bell >>>> :D out of curiosity I've reread Schopenhauer >>>> definitions of the >>>> arguments ad personam and ad hominem. To me, it >> seems that >>>> ad hominem is >>>> the technique of using against the opponent the >> same >>>> arguments the >>>> opponent has put forward, while ad personam >> corresponds to >>>> try and >>>> discredit one's point by making personal >> attacks, >>>> either to let the >>>> audience believe that such a bad person can only >> be in the >>>> wrong or to >>>> make the opponent angry and therefore more >> susceptible to >>>> other >>>> dialectic tricks. So I maintain I was right in my >> naming ;) >>>> I. >>>> >>> This is an invention of Shopenhauer. The classical >> term is ad hominem, when personal characteristics are used >> as argument against some statement (thesis). >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >> Uh that's rough, now I have to complain to >> Schopenhauer... will take >> forever to find his email address ;) >> > > Hahaha, may be in some next incarnation :-D > > Could you give me the name of the book you found this. I've read Schopenhauer many years ago and may be it's a time to reread. (unfortunately not before 8.11) > > regards > http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/controversy/ I. From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 14:36:01 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <171948.2240.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jonas Norlander wrote: > From: Jonas Norlander > Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 3:33 PM > 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jonas Norlander > wrote: > > > >> From: Jonas Norlander > >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > >> To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and > User Discussions" > > >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:02 PM > >> 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev > : > >> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Dotan Cohen > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: Dotan Cohen > > >> >> Subject: Re: SD card suddenly read-only > >> >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User > Discussions" > >> > >> >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:27 PM > >> >> 2008/10/14 Jason Straight > >> >> : > >> >> > you can format it with linux as well > - sudo > >> mkfs.vfat > >> >> -F32 /dev/[sdcard] > >> >> > > >> >> > or -F16 if you want fat16. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Thanks. I've found that Windows > machines are > >> picky > >> >> about USB storage > >> >> formated on Linux, especially when using > UTF-8 > >> filenames. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Dotan Cohen > >> >> > >> > > >> > I don't remember that FAT has UTF > support. There > >> for you specify it as mount option. The formatting > has > >> nothing to do with it. > >> > > >> > Correct me if I'm wrong. > >> > > >> > regards > >> > > >> > >> I think you are wrong :-) > >> > >> If i remember right VFAT/FAT32 Long File Names can > have up > >> to 255 > >> UTF-16 codec characters. I don't know if you > can have > >> Long file names > >> in FAT16 but I'm sure wikipedia has the > answer. > >> > >> / Jonas > > > > Why should I then specify the codepage and iocharset > as a mount option if it was all about UTF? > > It's not all about UTF, FAT is an _old_ filesystem and > it's still > needs to read and store the filenames in the > "old" format to be > backward compatibility besides the vfat UTF-16 encoded > names. > > You need the iocharset mount option in order for non-ASCII > characters > in file names to be interpreted properly and it should be > the same as > the character set of your locale. So if you have a UTF-8 > locale it > should be set to utf8 > > You need the codepage to do the conversion from long to > short file > names and it should be set to the codepage number used > under MS-DOS in > your country. This all applies to Dotans issue. > > > > besides utf is not unicode - the specification says > unicode. Windows is talking also about unicode. > UTF (Unicode Transformation Format) is a variable-length > character > encoding for Unicode. There are several ways to encode > Unicode, to > name a few UTF-1, UTF-7, UTF-8 and UCS-4 there are all > unicode just > different ways how to encode them. As far as I remember unicode and utf were developed seperately and unified post factum, but this is irelevant now. > > > I think Dotans problem is useing default values which > corresponds to western chars ... but of course I'm not > sure about it. > > most file names are may be in the iso8859 table but > having one in hebrew breaks his task ... as far as I > understood > > > > regards > > > > Yes i think so to. Perhaps someday all layers involving > characters > will work with unicode and we dont have to care about all > this > conversation. > > / Jonas thanks for explaining all of this. Think now it's clear to everyone regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 14:42:47 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F5FF3F.6010806@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <455618.63945.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > From: Ignazio Palmisano > Subject: Re: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:33 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, tom bell > wrote: > > > >> From: tom bell > >> If you ever take a course on debate you will find > that > >> indeed "ad > >> hominem" is listed among the classic debate > styles and > >> is eschewed as a > >> personal attack not worthy of being used in a > serious > >> debate. > >> > >> Tom Bell > >> > > > > I think Ignatio took too many courses may be in > philosophy > > Nope, I'm a computer junkie > I. Resepct - a computer junkie whe reads Schopenhauer! (this is not meant ironically) Have a look at this Stephen Toulmin: 'The Uses of Argument' http://www.unl.edu/speech/comm109/Toulmin/index.htm regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 14:45:09 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT on OT: ad personam vs ad hominem][OT rude or not, a different opinion] -Re: Beta 8.10 released In-Reply-To: <48F5FFB1.8080703@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <972750.8029.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > > http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/controversy/ > > I. Great, thanks From m-wright at eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 14:35:26 2008 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:35:26 -0700 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <48F3E270.3070702@gmail.com> References: <876133.93828.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <880dece00810131657q1a6249f3id1322c1e2b16e9e1@mail.gmail.com> <48F3E270.3070702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810150735.26819.m-wright@eskimo.com> On Monday 13 October 2008 17:06, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > sudo umount /dev/sdb1 > sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdb1 -v -r > (-r will run it in interactive repair mode) > I have a 1GB flash drive that suddenly became read-only. The above procedure fixed it. Thank you, Maynard From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 14:57:19 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:57:19 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a while and although the performance was not as good as when I was running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge difference after upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially seems to have gone down hill. l8r, Mike -- Ed: This is worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:01:06 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200810151422.05032.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <389698.36121.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Lisi Reisz wrote: > From: Lisi Reisz > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 3:22 PM > On Monday 13 October 2008 15:42:16 Thorny wrote: > > > Can anyone offer any advice? Or recommend > another distro that would > > > fulfill the criteria? She needs this laptop and > I have been trying to > > > get it going and fulfilling the criteria since > the middle of August. She > > > is beginning, with some justification, to ask why > I don't just use > > > Windows. > > > > I have no experience with networkmanager but I have > seen it written > > several places as "network mangler" by > people who have had frustrations > > with it. > > > > To make sure you are really back to a place where > manual config could work > > perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than the K > frontend. You could > > try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon that > tries to keep a > > connection always up and which has caused lots of > people difficulties, > > since Debian Etch if I remember correctly. > > > > With it purged, you should be able to manually > configure your ethernet > > interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto; inet; > dhcp and when you > > restart networking it should ask the router's DHCP > server for an IP > > address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if appropriate > on your system) > > ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig > (interface) up. That should > > read the manual configuration ...or, at least, drop > some error message. > > I have for the moment shelved this, and someone else is > working on it for me, > but I am very grateful for all the help. > > I may yet have to come back too, if he doesn't succeed > either. > > I gather that I have perhaps made it difficult for people > to assess my skill > levels. I know nothing about wireless on Linux other than > that people say it > is tricky. Until now I have never had an occasion where I > needed to use it. > (I use homeplug on my own network.) But I do > know/understand a reasonable, > tho' not a large, chunk of the rest. My knowledge is > patchy. Some things - > things that I have managed to do in the past or that > someone has explained > clearly - I understand. Thorny has suggested that his > original email in this > thread might have been above my head. In fact, I > understood it perfectly and > had in fact already tried to do it, but had failed. It is > the methid I use > in my day to day contact with my network. Some of the > other suggestions I > had not met or did not understand/know. > > And I was panicking, so that I was not using either my > brains or the knowledge > I have got by the end. (E.g., it was not until after I had > sent my last > missive that I realised that I could get on line by booting > to the command > line. With Kubuntu out of the way the network was > accessible. > > Those who have good memories and were reading the thread > will remember taht I > said to Willy that I had the experience but he the > knowledge. I know a lot > about computers compared to teh man in teh street, but not > a lot about then > compared to you lot. > > I am sad that I have not succeeded in getting wireless > going, since that > bugbear still lurks out there. But I think that I'll > get it going on a > Debian system or something else that I find comparatively > easy before I try > Kubuntu again. Unless, of course, I get this particular > problem back. > > There is something in my genes that has problems with > Kubuntu, or something in > Kubuntu's genes which has problems with me. :-( > > But many thanks all of you for your help. > > Lisi It's kubuntu Lisi, not you! Don't give up! That's why I have forced the discussion here recently. People who know debian, would also know what it means unstable. Just polishing it and offering it to the masses is not enough for the pure user and at the other hand the major target of kubuntu are the pure users. I still do not understand this controversy. I'm still pleading that kubuntu devs should get a stable system for users who have windows level of computer knowledge aka no knowledge in computers at all. k/ubuntu has the potential but still lacking the will, making it easier for people with computer knowledge to do the job done but failing to win the pure home user. I've fixed the k/ubuntu installations of all my friends who are not willing to pay licenses to MS and I know what I'm saying. I also took them the root/sudo rights and they are very very glad - me too ;-) regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:07:54 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <267615.26710.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw wrote: > From: Mike Shaw > Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:57 PM > Hi Everyone, > > Just wanted to see what other people's experience with > Hardy after > upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 > for quite a > while and although the performance was not as good as when > I was > running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge > difference after > upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox > especially > seems to have gone down hill. > May be you did not notice the firefox version. hardy comes with v3 which is really a disaster. I removed it and installed the v2. There were als ofew bugs in firefox 3 that made at least 4 hairs on my head grey. I would recommend - backup what you need to backup and do a clean install. regards From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 15:14:16 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:14:16 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <267615.26710.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <267615.26710.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw wrote: > >> From: Mike Shaw >> Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:57 PM >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Just wanted to see what other people's experience with >> Hardy after >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 >> for quite a >> while and although the performance was not as good as when >> I was >> running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge >> difference after >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox >> especially >> seems to have gone down hill. >> > > May be you did not notice the firefox version. hardy comes with v3 which is really a disaster. I removed it and installed the v2. > > There were als ofew bugs in firefox 3 that made at least 4 hairs on my head grey. > > I would recommend - backup what you need to backup and do a clean install. > Yeah, I had thought about that but in that case what is the point of the upgrade? If they can't get a upgrade right then there really is no point. It seems like a lot of developers seem to forget that not everyone follows the M$/Inhell upgrade model. -- Ed: This is worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:23:18 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <698392.78873.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw wrote: > From: Mike Shaw > Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 5:14 PM > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Emanoil Kotsev > wrote: > > > > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw > wrote: > > > >> From: Mike Shaw > >> Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:57 PM > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Just wanted to see what other people's > experience with > >> Hardy after > >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on > my T41 > >> for quite a > >> while and although the performance was not as good > as when > >> I was > >> running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge > >> difference after > >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. > Firefox > >> especially > >> seems to have gone down hill. > >> > > > > May be you did not notice the firefox version. hardy > comes with v3 which is really a disaster. I removed it and > installed the v2. > > > > There were als ofew bugs in firefox 3 that made at > least 4 hairs on my head grey. > > > > I would recommend - backup what you need to backup and > do a clean install. > > > > Yeah, I had thought about that but in that case what is the > point of > the upgrade? If they can't get a upgrade right then > there really is > no point. It seems like a lot of developers seem to forget > that not > everyone follows the M$/Inhell upgrade model. > I'm not a dev, so I don't know what they intended, did or wanted to do. >From my linux experience only few upgrades has been working really well. What's making me angry is that even the same kde version (debian/kubuntu) did not manage it to work with one and the same home directory and the .kde settings there. Now each time I start debian the kgpg wizard starts. In the same time kgpg is already reunning (just an odd example) Devs, you have the word now. regards From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 15 15:12:03 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:12:03 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> Mike Shaw wrote: > Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after > upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a > while and although the performance was not as good as when I was > running Gentoo it was okay. No performance issues here with Hardy (updated from Gutsy). > But I noticed a huge difference after > upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially > seems to have gone down hill. So you are merely complaining about Firefox not about Hardy? Well, I don't use FF that often, so I don't see that difference. Nils From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 15:32:01 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:32:01 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Mike Shaw wrote: >> Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a >> while and although the performance was not as good as when I was >> running Gentoo it was okay. > > No performance issues here with Hardy (updated from Gutsy). > >> But I noticed a huge difference after >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially >> seems to have gone down hill. > > So you are merely complaining about Firefox not about Hardy? Well, I don't > use FF that often, so I don't see that difference. > No in general I have noticed the whole machine does not perform as well. Firefox seem to be the worse. But other apps such as Amarok, Liferea, Pidgin, etc. all seem to have gone down hill. I don't run Compiz(the eye candy is a waste) and the T41 has 1.5G of RAM. l8r, Mike -- Ed: This is worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 15 15:43:13 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:43:13 -0500 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F60F91.7070703@swbell.net> On 10/15/2008 Mike Shaw wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after > upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a > while and although the performance was not as good as when I was > running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge difference after > upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially > seems to have gone down hill. > > l8r, > > Mike My first Kubuntu was Fiesty. Since then I've just done complete upgrades till 8.10 [ That was a clean install on a seperate hard drive ]. I haven't noticed any performance issues with 8.04. In fact if I HAD to say one way or the other I would say it's been getting better [ until 8.10 but given time I'm sure things will straighten out there to. ]. I've had FAR fewer issues with 8.04 than I had with Fiesty, and everything in between. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 15 15:51:51 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:51:51 -0500 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48F61197.8030908@swbell.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Mike Shaw wrote: > >> Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a >> while and although the performance was not as good as when I was >> running Gentoo it was okay. >> > > No performance issues here with Hardy (updated from Gutsy). > > >> But I noticed a huge difference after >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially >> seems to have gone down hill. >> > > So you are merely complaining about Firefox not about Hardy? Well, I don't > use FF that often, so I don't see that difference. > > > Nils > > I use FF 3.0.3 all day every day and have had no issues with it. For a VERY short time it had an issue with Flash but that seems to have corrected itself in some update or other. I just figured that was a Flash plugin issue. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 15 16:08:05 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:08:05 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? Message-ID: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> There is something that has been bugging me for several years. While fairly new to Ubuntu I have been using Linux as my primary OS since Fedora core 2. The thing that has been a irritation for all of that time is the repeated recommendation to do a "Clean Install" instead of an upgrade. I spent most of the weekend rebuilding a friend's Windows laptop because it had gotten slow (tripled the speed just by reinstalling!). I was feeling quite superior in that I never have to do that with my laptop. It is always snappy regardless of what I add or remove and I am a software junky Then I check my email this morning and I see again the recommendation to do a "clean install" (<=rebuild your machine) and all the superior feelings dissipated. I upgraded my laptop from Fedora Core-2 through Fedora-7 without any issues. I did rebuild the laptop to convert it to Kubuntu. I installed GG-Beta and upgraded it through HH-Beta and the current HH. I plan on upgrading again when II goes GA. If I have to rebuild my laptop and my workstation at work I will be sorely disappointed, to put it lightly. Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? Why the constant advice to backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that you did not miss anything? -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:15:35 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:15:35 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <48F61197.8030908@swbell.net> References: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> <48F61197.8030908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810150915v50b3c05bi6b06ad91e9d4aa52@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I use FF 3.0.3 all day every day and have had no issues with it. For a > VERY short time it had an issue with Flash but that seems to have > corrected itself in some update or other. I just figured that was a > Flash plugin issue. My experience is the same, except I don't remember the flash issue. I use the flashblock extension, and only display the flash I want, so that may be why I missed that problem. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:18:22 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:18:22 -0400 Subject: kmail now crashing constantly - libc.so.6? Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810150918g417c2fc6gc7926e9e319174c4@mail.gmail.com> Kmail crashing has gotten so bad that it is every 15 minutes or so. Almost unusable. kmail 1.9.10 kde 3.5.10 Mostly when accessing gmail IMAP which had been stable and working fine. crash info [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb57306c0 (LWP 20258)] [New Thread 0xb3b39b90 (LWP 20262)] [New Thread 0xb433ab90 (LWP 20261)] [New Thread 0xb4b3bb90 (LWP 20260)] [New Thread 0xb533cb90 (LWP 20259)] [KCrash handler] #6 0xb7bf30d9 in KMFolder::open () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #7 0xb7d5bedb in KMMoveCommand::execute () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #8 0xb7d4ec39 in KMCommand::slotPostTransfer () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #9 0xb7d59382 in KMCommand::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #10 0xb7d5969b in KMMenuCommand::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #11 0xb7d596fb in KMMoveCommand::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #12 0xb5ff4704 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #13 0xb7d4d88f in KMCommand::messagesTransfered () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #14 0xb7d5a469 in KMCommand::transferSelectedMsgs () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #15 0xb7d5a627 in KMCommand::slotStart () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #16 0xb7d59367 in KMCommand::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #17 0xb7d5969b in KMMenuCommand::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #18 0xb7d596fb in KMMoveCommand::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so #19 0xb5ff4704 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #20 0xb6383aba in QSignal::signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #21 0xb60137b2 in QSignal::activate () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #22 0xb601b936 in QSingleShotTimer::event () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #23 0xb5f88c36 in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #24 0xb5f8aa5f in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #25 0xb674a9b2 in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #26 0xb5f1928d in QApplication::sendEvent () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #27 0xb5f7bb19 in QEventLoop::activateTimers () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #28 0xb5f2e64b in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #29 0xb5fa3f90 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #30 0xb5fa3c8e in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #31 0xb5f8a7df in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #32 0x0804a5fe in ?? () #33 0xb5794450 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #34 0x0804a381 in ?? () -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:18:00 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:18:00 +0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <267615.26710.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <267615.26710.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F617B8.1060603@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw wrote: > >> From: Mike Shaw >> Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:57 PM >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Just wanted to see what other people's experience with >> Hardy after >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 >> for quite a >> while and although the performance was not as good as when >> I was >> running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge >> difference after >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox >> especially >> seems to have gone down hill. >> > > May be you did not notice the firefox version. hardy comes with v3 which is really a disaster. I removed it and installed the v2. > > There were als ofew bugs in firefox 3 that made at least 4 hairs on my head grey. > > I would recommend - backup what you need to backup and do a clean install. > > regards > > i can't seem to understand what's wrong with firefox 3? i mean firefox 3 beta 4 and previous versions of firefox 3 were buggy alright, but beta 5 and the later releases work flawlessly and much lighter than firefox 2! firefox 2 used to take up to 300 megs of my memory with only 4 tabs, and without using any excessive flash, only one or 2 simple flash banners. whereas now, firefox 3 is taking 120 megs with 12 tabs divided in 2 windows! 12 tabs back in gutsy were impossible for me! as for the rest of hardy, i think it's the best release of kubuntu ever. light, compatible with loads of new hardware, almost bug free, i never had any major issue with hardy, unlike feisty or gutsy, and unlike intrepid. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 16:18:32 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:18:32 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810151218.32244.gloonie@earthlink.net> Paul, I too have had very good experiences with upgrades, especially with ubuntu. I haven't done a "clean install" for a while now (since Gutsy). When I was running SuSE Linux, I would occasionally have to reboot because it had trouble recognizing my SCSI CD, but that was long ago. I think people are just being prudent, since many people forget to back up regularly anyway, and if something should go wrong, they are out of luck. Glenn On Wednesday 15 October 2008 12:08:05 Paul Lemmons wrote: > There is something that has been bugging me for several years. While > fairly new to Ubuntu I have been using Linux as my primary OS since > Fedora core 2. The thing that has been a irritation for all of that time > is the repeated recommendation to do a "Clean Install" instead of an > upgrade. I spent most of the weekend rebuilding a friend's Windows > laptop because it had gotten slow (tripled the speed just by > reinstalling!). I was feeling quite superior in that I never have to do > that with my laptop. It is always snappy regardless of what I add or > remove and I am a software junky Then I check my email this morning and > I see again the recommendation to do a "clean install" (<=rebuild your > machine) and all the superior feelings dissipated. > > I upgraded my laptop from Fedora Core-2 through Fedora-7 without any > issues. I did rebuild the laptop to convert it to Kubuntu. I installed > GG-Beta and upgraded it through HH-Beta and the current HH. I plan on > upgrading again when II goes GA. If I have to rebuild my laptop and my > workstation at work I will be sorely disappointed, to put it lightly. > > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade > process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? Why the constant advice to > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that > you did not miss anything? From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:24:17 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:24:17 +0300 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48F61931.1090901@gmail.com> Paul Lemmons wrote: > There is something that has been bugging me for several years. While > fairly new to Ubuntu I have been using Linux as my primary OS since > Fedora core 2. The thing that has been a irritation for all of that time > is the repeated recommendation to do a "Clean Install" instead of an > upgrade. I spent most of the weekend rebuilding a friend's Windows > laptop because it had gotten slow (tripled the speed just by > reinstalling!). I was feeling quite superior in that I never have to do > that with my laptop. It is always snappy regardless of what I add or > remove and I am a software junky Then I check my email this morning and > I see again the recommendation to do a "clean install" (<=rebuild your > machine) and all the superior feelings dissipated. > > I upgraded my laptop from Fedora Core-2 through Fedora-7 without any > issues. I did rebuild the laptop to convert it to Kubuntu. I installed > GG-Beta and upgraded it through HH-Beta and the current HH. I plan on > upgrading again when II goes GA. If I have to rebuild my laptop and my > workstation at work I will be sorely disappointed, to put it lightly. > > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade > process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? Why the constant advice to > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that > you did not miss anything? > in my experience, i never had any performance problems, but you usually get loads of junk settings files here and there. some files stop being used in later releases, and such stuff. as for performance, non that i know of. but the thing with intrepid, is that you will be upgrading from KDE3 to KDE4, and with it, there might be loads of such junk settings files. i know of no person who upgraded to intrepid to be sure of how bad the upgrade will be, you might need to check here and there a bit. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I always do fresh installs. 1) It cleans things up... 2) You learn a lot. 3) You get to find out what is new and don't miss some of the new options. 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. And need to install fresh anyway. (this happened to me and is why I will never upgrade again) 5) If you have a minor bug in the upgraded system, you will never know whether it is a bug in the new release or some incompatibility in the upgrade. 6) You learn a lot 7) You get to go over your notes. (you *do* have notes don't you?) 8) You can get rid of things you never use or that didn't work out. 9) If you have the space, you can install the new and still keep the old, thus having both to cross-check things/bugs. 10) You learn a lot. From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 15 17:09:34 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:09:34 +0200 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810151909.34340.kassube@gmx.net> Paul Lemmons wrote: > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade > process? No, you are not alone. Since using Kubuntu I have always upgraded instead of a fresh install. And for the friends I support, I have also done upgrades only. Prior to Kubuntu I was using SUSE. As I had many problems with upgrades back then, I usually did a fresh install. Maybe SUSE works better with upgrades nowadays, but I will not return to SUSE, so I will not try it. > Why the constant advice to > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that > you did not miss anything? The advice to backup the system is never bad. But the advice of a clean install is not necessarily good for *Ubuntu systems, IMHO. Probably those who suggest a clean install never tried to upgrade. Or they had some bad experience. I would always suggest to at least try an upgrade first. If that really fails there is still the option to do a clean install. In my experience upgrades always succeeded, so it was less time consuming than fresh installs. Nils From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 17:14:58 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:14:58 +0200 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 18:46:29 schreef Bruce Marshall: > I always do fresh installs. If you do a fresh install and you have (as I do) my /home in a seperate partion, is the new install overwriting the existing /home? How do you go about that issue? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From jdz99 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 17:23:07 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:23:07 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I installed Kubuntu 8.1 into Sun VirtualBox VM. My displain in Windows supports 1280x800. Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, I can when I start up a Windows Server VM. It's frustrating because the window is so small. Thank you, _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 17:47:13 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:47:13 +0200 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810151947.13281.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > If you do a fresh install and you have (as I do) my /home in a seperate > partion, is the new install overwriting the existing /home? During install you get to partition the drive -- simply tell it *not* to format your current /home partition (make a note of where it is before you begin the installation). This way it will not be erased. When you get further in the install it will start to write stuff into .kde and other hidden folders in your home. You should make backups of these 'dot' folders before you begin installing -- *but* overall this is not a big deal and your new version should simply re-use (or overwrite) any old config files you had from before. I would backup my address book, emails and browser bookmarks at the very least. hth, \d From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 17:32:41 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:32:41 +0200 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810151932.41884.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:23:07 schreef Jim Douglas: > Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, same for me with host Kubuntu HH 8.04 with KDE 3.5, guest Kubuntu HH 8.04 with KDE 4.0 only gets to 800x600 -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Oct 15 17:32:38 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:32:38 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810151332.38925.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > > I always do fresh installs. > > If you do a fresh install and you have (as I do) my /home in a seperate > partion, is the new install overwriting the existing /home? > How do you go about that issue? > > No problem whatever. 1) I always do a manual partitioning of the system which allows me to specify that the old /home partition be mounted as the new /home. 2) When defining the user to the install, it will state that "/home/ already exists... use the same directory?" (or something like that) So you have the option of using the old /home/ or making a new one. From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 15 17:39:58 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:39:58 -0700 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F62AEE.8060504@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: From: Jim Douglas To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: 10/15/2008 10:23 AM > I installed Kubuntu 8.1 into Sun VirtualBox VM. My displain in > Windows supports 1280x800. > > Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, I can > when I start up a Windows Server VM. > > It's frustrating because the window is so small. > > Thank you, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from > Jamie. Learn Now > Did you install the VM extensions? -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 15 17:47:46 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:47:46 +0100 Subject: (VirtualBox definition) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F62CC2.7080007@yahoo.it> Jim Douglas wrote: > I installed Kubuntu 8.1 into Sun VirtualBox VM. My displain in Windows supports 1280x800. > > Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, I can when I start up a Windows Server VM. > > It's frustrating because the window is so small. > > Thank you, > Have you installed the VirtualBox extensions in the guest? The 2.0.2 has a seamless mode that will use your whole desktop. HTH, I. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 17:54:14 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:54:14 +0200 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151332.38925.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810151332.38925.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200810151954.14393.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:32:38 schreef Bruce Marshall: > No problem whatever.     > > 1) I always do a manual partitioning of the system which allows me to > specify that the old /home partition be mounted as the new /home. > > 2) When defining the user to the install, it will state that "/home/ > already exists...  use the same directory?"  (or something like that) > > So you have the option of using the old /home/ or making a new one. Thanks for the reassureness -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 17:56:48 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:56:48 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F62AEE.8060504@lemmons.name> References: <48F62AEE.8060504@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810151956.48880.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:39:58 schreef Paul Lemmons: > Did you install the VM extensions? which, the option in the guest menu? that works for windows XP but not for Kubuntu guest. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 17:59:41 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:59:41 +0200 Subject: (VirtualBox definition) In-Reply-To: <48F62CC2.7080007@yahoo.it> References: <48F62CC2.7080007@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200810151959.41976.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:47:46 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: > Have you installed the VirtualBox extensions in the guest? The 2.0.2 has > a seamless mode that will use your whole desktop. But not in a Kubuntu HH 8.04 guest. In the windows XP guest it works fine. Or do you mean a different VirtualBox extensions? If yes, where can I find them? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 15 17:51:34 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:51:34 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <5008002.GpEoHC8W2W@cedar.serverforest.com> Paul Lemmons wrote: > There is something that has been bugging me for several years. While > fairly new to Ubuntu I have been using Linux as my primary OS since > Fedora core 2. The thing that has been a irritation for all of that time > is the repeated recommendation to do a "Clean Install" instead of an > upgrade. Where? Not here. There'll always be some people who swim against the flow, but Debian-based distros aren't intended to be installed clean with every release. > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade > process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? I generally upgrade, but I'm typically buying either a new system, or at least a new drive, every third release or so, and then they get fresh installs. > Why the constant advice to > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that > you did not miss anything? Because you can? With Windows, I _couldn't_ do that. With Linux, I can. Install the base system, copy the old /home over it. Install the packages from /etc/apt/installed.txt (not a stock file - I create that), copy /etc & /var from the old system. Done. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 15 17:58:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:58:59 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200810151914.58446.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810151947.13281.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5175264.ml2bG0BxKE@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: >> If you do a fresh install and you have (as I do) my /home in a seperate >> partion, is the new install overwriting the existing /home? > During install you get to partition the drive -- simply tell it *not* to > format your current /home partition (make a note of where it is before you > begin the installation). This way it will not be erased. > > When you get further in the install it will start to write stuff into .kde > and other hidden folders in your home. You should make backups of these > 'dot' folders before you begin installing -- *but* overall this is not a > big deal and your new version should simply re-use (or overwrite) any old > config files you had from before. I'm suspecting a disaster in the making if you try this with the 8.10 upgrade, because of the change from kde3 to kde4. > > I would backup ... everything :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 15 17:46:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:46:25 -0300 Subject: (unknown) References: Message-ID: <20779348.XKWbPMzSxF@cedar.serverforest.com> Jim Douglas wrote: > > I installed Kubuntu 8.1 into Sun VirtualBox VM. My displain in Windows > supports 1280x800. > > Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, I can when I > start up a Windows Server VM. > > It's frustrating because the window is so small. You probably need the "Guest Additions". Later versions of the non-OSE version include them, but some versions require you to install them separately. Go to the VirtualBox site, and look for "Guest Additions" -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 15 18:00:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:00:59 -0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <200810151712.03436.kassube@gmx.net> <48F61197.8030908@swbell.net> <5a1f6bd00810150915v50b3c05bi6b06ad91e9d4aa52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6277390.fupTnMnMu7@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Billie Walsh > wrote: > >> I use FF 3.0.3 all day every day and have had no issues with it. For a >> VERY short time it had an issue with Flash but that seems to have >> corrected itself in some update or other. I just figured that was a >> Flash plugin issue. > > My experience is the same, except I don't remember the flash issue. I > use the flashblock extension, and only display the flash I want, so > that may be why I missed that problem. There was an early issue with the nonfree flash plugin, which was fixed within weeks of Hardy's release. -- derek From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:16:30 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:16:30 -0500 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy Message-ID: Hello list! I updated the kernel of my wifes laptop, kubuntu 8.04 all updates, with the latest kernel in the update stream. Kernel linux-image-2.6.24-21, after the update the updater advised to restart the computer, I did and when it came back the xserver would not start, complaining about lacking a specific module. I opted for the nvidia-glx-new-envy becasue the old driver corrupts terminials and will not come back after the power management blanks the screen, forcing a ctrl-alt-bksp to restart the server. My question is why doesn't envy update with the kernel. I seem to be lost on this one. Looked at the installed envy packages and could not find a place to start looking for help, like an envy home page or list. TIA -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 15 17:56:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:56:52 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Paul Lemmons wrote: >> Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade >> process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? Why the constant advice to >> backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then >> trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that >> you did not miss anything? > > I always do fresh installs. > > 1) It cleans things up... > 2) You learn a lot. > 3) You get to find out what is new and don't miss some of the new options. That shouldn't happen if you use the adept updater. It forces all the new stuff on you, anyway. > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. How? It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades in the last decade. > 5) If you have a minor bug in the upgraded system, you will never know > whether it is a bug in the new release or some incompatibility in the > upgrade. otoh, if you have a minor bug in a freshly installed system, you will never know if it's a bug in the new release, or some incorrectly set up application. > 6) You learn a lot See Rule # 2... > 7) You get to go over your notes. (you *do* have notes don't you?) Yeah, but they're always so obsolete by the time I need them, that I might as well not have them. > 8) You can get rid of things you never use or that didn't work out. You _can_ do that without fresh installs. > 9) If you have the space, you can install the new and still keep the old, > thus having both to cross-check things/bugs. You could do that in either case. > 10) You learn a lot. See Rule # 2... -- derek From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 15 18:21:13 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:21:13 -0700 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810151956.48880.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <48F62AEE.8060504@lemmons.name> <200810151956.48880.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F63499.9060304@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:800x600 in Kubuntu From: Peter Klaassen To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 10/15/2008 10:56 AM > Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:39:58 schreef Paul Lemmons: > >> Did you install the VM extensions? >> > > which, the option in the guest menu? > that works for windows XP but not for Kubuntu guest. > > Yes they do work with linux guests. Look for "Guest Additions" -- Sometimes I wonder. 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My displain in Windows > > supports 1280x800. > > > > Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, I can when I > > start up a Windows Server VM. > > > > It's frustrating because the window is so small. > > You probably need the "Guest Additions". Later versions of the non-OSE > version include them, but some versions require you to install them > separately. Go to the VirtualBox site, and look for "Guest Additions" > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 19:04:17 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:04:17 +0200 Subject: display resolutions In-Reply-To: <20779348.XKWbPMzSxF@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20779348.XKWbPMzSxF@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810152104.17806.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:46:25 schreef Derek Broughton: > Jim Douglas wrote: > > I installed Kubuntu 8.1 into Sun VirtualBox VM. My displain in Windows > > supports 1280x800. > > > > Inside the Kubuntu VM I cannot set the display past 800x600, I can when I > > start up a Windows Server VM. > > > > It's frustrating because the window is so small. > > You probably need the "Guest Additions". Later versions of the non-OSE > version include them, but some versions require you to install them > separately. Go to the VirtualBox site, and look for "Guest Additions" > -- > derek Guest additions work fine with Xp guest in my setup under Kubuntu host HH 8.04 nothing happens with Kubuntu HH 8.04 guest. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From jdz99 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:03:45 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:03:45 +0000 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F63499.9060304@lemmons.name> References: <48F62AEE.8060504@lemmons.name> <200810151956.48880.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F63499.9060304@lemmons.name> Message-ID: I installed them again, VirtualBox 2.0.2 Guest Additions installation Building the VirtualBox Guest Additions kernel module... Building the shared folder support kernel module... Installing the VirtualBox Guest Additions... Successfully installed the VirtualBox Guest Additions. You must restart your guest system in order to complete the installation. sa at sa-laptop:/media/cdrom$ After re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are Disabled 800x600 (Auto) 640x480 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:21:13 -0700 > From: paul at lemmons.name > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: 800x600 in Kubuntu > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:800x600 in Kubuntu > From: Peter Klaassen > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 10/15/2008 10:56 AM > > Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:39:58 schreef Paul Lemmons: > > > >> Did you install the VM extensions? > >> > > > > which, the option in the guest menu? > > that works for windows XP but not for Kubuntu guest. > > > > > Yes they do work with linux guests. Look for "Guest Additions" > > -- > Sometimes I wonder. 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Hamra > Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 6:18 PM > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw > wrote: > > > >> From: Mike Shaw > >> Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:57 PM > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Just wanted to see what other people's > experience with > >> Hardy after > >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on > my T41 > >> for quite a > >> while and although the performance was not as good > as when > >> I was > >> running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge > >> difference after > >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. > Firefox > >> especially > >> seems to have gone down hill. > >> > > > > May be you did not notice the firefox version. hardy > comes with v3 which is really a disaster. I removed it and > installed the v2. > > > > There were als ofew bugs in firefox 3 that made at > least 4 hairs on my head grey. > > > > I would recommend - backup what you need to backup and > do a clean install. > > > > regards > > > > > > i can't seem to understand what's wrong with > firefox 3? i mean firefox 3 > beta 4 and previous versions of firefox 3 were buggy > alright, but beta 5 > and the later releases work flawlessly and much lighter > than firefox 2! > firefox 2 used to take up to 300 megs of my memory with > only 4 tabs, and > without using any excessive flash, only one or 2 simple > flash banners. > whereas now, firefox 3 is taking 120 megs with 12 tabs > divided in 2 > windows! 12 tabs back in gutsy were impossible for me! > as for the rest of hardy, i think it's the best release > of kubuntu ever. > light, compatible with loads of new hardware, almost bug > free, i never > had any major issue with hardy, unlike feisty or gutsy, and > unlike intrepid. > Ok, here it is what's wrong. We use in our company a kind of older version of WebLogic server. There I have to create a user for some service and I have to setup a password for this user. Of course there are two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the password in both of them and press apply it does not send the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if it's normal?! I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is working fine :-P As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be a beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed about it in advance. regards From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Oct 15 19:11:16 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:11:16 +0100 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <48F62AEE.8060504@lemmons.name> <200810151956.48880.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F63499.9060304@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> Jim Douglas wrote: > I installed them again, > > VirtualBox 2.0.2 Guest Additions installation > Building the VirtualBox Guest Additions kernel module... > Building the shared folder support kernel module... > Installing the VirtualBox Guest Additions... > > Successfully installed the VirtualBox Guest Additions. > You must restart your guest system in order to complete the installation. > sa at sa-laptop:/media/cdrom$ > > > After re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are > > Disabled > 800x600 (Auto) > 640x480 I have not tried setting a different definition inside Kubuntu, I just resize the window by pulling a corner and the definition inside adapts. I. > > > > >> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:21:13 -0700 >> From: paul at lemmons.name >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: 800x600 in Kubuntu >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re:800x600 in Kubuntu >> From: Peter Klaassen >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> Date: 10/15/2008 10:56 AM >>> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:39:58 schreef Paul Lemmons: >>> >>>> Did you install the VM extensions? >>>> >>> which, the option in the guest menu? >>> that works for windows XP but not for Kubuntu guest. >>> >>> >> Yes they do work with linux guests. Look for "Guest Additions" >> >> -- >> Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Wed Oct 15 19:20:10 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:20:10 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <698392.78873.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <698392.78873.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Emanoil, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw wrote: > >> From: Mike Shaw >> Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? >> To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 5:14 PM >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Emanoil Kotsev >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mike Shaw >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Mike Shaw >> >> Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? >> >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> >> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:57 PM >> >> Hi Everyone, [snip] > > I'm not a dev, so I don't know what they intended, did or wanted to do. > From my linux experience only few upgrades has been working really well. > > What's making me angry is that even the same kde version (debian/kubuntu) did not manage it to work with one and the same home directory and the .kde settings there. Now each time I start debian the kgpg wizard starts. In the same time kgpg is already reunning (just an odd example) > > Devs, you have the word now. This is a user list, I hope you are aware that hardly any dev is lingering here. If you want to talk to devs I suggest IRC. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 19:27:55 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <609711.30236.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > > > Devs, you have the word now. > > This is a user list, I hope you are aware that hardly any > dev is > lingering here. If you want to talk to devs I suggest IRC. > Yes, I'm (already) aware of it. Thanks anyway for the advice. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 15 19:32:51 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:32:51 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> References: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 21:11:16 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: > > > > After re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are > > > > Disabled > > 800x600 (Auto) > > 640x480 I double check is the VirtualBoxGuestAdditions.iso already was loaded. It is. see devices, mount cd/dvd, mount cd/dvd image in the guest's menu/ still no possibility to change the resolution. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:49:32 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:49:32 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <48F617B8.1060603@gmail.com> <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Ok, here it is what's wrong. We use in our company a kind of older version of WebLogic server. > > There I have to create a user for some service and I have to setup a password for this user. Of course there are two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the password in both of them and press apply it does not send the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if it's normal?! > > I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is working fine :-P > > As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be a beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed about it in advance. > > regards Just guessing but could this be an issue with the web page not being standards compliant? I see a lot of complaints that look like this with people surfing using something besides FF. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Oct 15 19:59:41 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:59:41 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <5175264.ml2bG0BxKE@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151947.13281.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <5175264.ml2bG0BxKE@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810151559.41228.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > When you get further in the install it will start to write stuff into > > .kde and other hidden folders in your home. You should make backups of > > these 'dot' folders before you begin installing -- *but* overall this is > > not a big deal and your new version should simply re-use (or overwrite) > > any old config files you had from before. > > I'm suspecting a disaster in the making if you try this with the 8.10 > upgrade, because of the change from kde3 to kde4. I used my old /home directory on a fresh install of 8.10 beta and had no problems. It was on a test system so I didn't care what happened... but nothing bad did. From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:59:51 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:59:51 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <48F617B8.1060603@gmail.com> <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810151259p808206fo7593707805999ca7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > There I have to create a user for some service and I have to setup a password for this user. Of course there are two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the password in both of them and press apply it does not send the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if it's normal?! > > I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is working fine :-P > > As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be a beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed about it in advance. I can without hesitation say that I have never had that problem, and I have used Firefox daily since pre-1.0, Mozilla before that and Netscape before that. There have been occasional problems (usually involving memory leaks) but never that one. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Oct 15 20:02:06 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:02:06 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. > > How?  It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades in > the last decade. So software never breaks? I admit that when it happened to me it was with SuSE long ago, but I'm not about to risk that again. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:03:25 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:03:25 +0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <48F617B8.1060603@gmail.com> <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F64C8D.8030308@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: >> Ok, here it is what's wrong. We use in our company a kind of older version of WebLogic server. >> >> There I have to create a user for some service and I have to setup a password for this user. Of course there are two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the password in both of them and press apply it does not send the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if it's normal?! >> >> I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is working fine :-P >> >> As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be a beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed about it in advance. >> >> regards > > Just guessing but could this be an issue with the web page not being > standards compliant? I see a lot of complaints that look like this > with people surfing using something besides FF. > yes this unfortunately happens a lot, and people tend to blame the browser rather than the website. here in my country, most arabic websites are not Unicode, but use some weird encoding, and worst still, you'll find front page's signature in most of their headers! and of course, Firefox will give you a page loaded with gibberish unless you modify the preferences and change the encoding used for the website. but dear IE uses the correct encoding, and they geniusly suggest straight away that IE is smarter in rendering. very annoying indeed. -- Willy K. 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Perhaps someday all layers involving >> characters >> will work with unicode and we dont have to care about all >> this >> conversation. > > thanks for explaining all of this. Think now it's clear to everyone > At least Python 3 is moving in that direction, along with almost every popular Linux distro. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:16:35 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:16:35 +0300 Subject: Amarok 2 and Amarok 1.4 Message-ID: <48F64FA3.30306@gmail.com> http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 if you read the last line of the article, it's obvious that there is a part of the article missing! the sentence is cut in it's middle :S so anyone know if i can install amarok 2 and amarok 1.4 alongside each other in intrepid? is this possible? thanks in advance -- Willy K. 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Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:22:37 +0300 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <880dece00810151312o81d56bfje1ba50f3778a56ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <171948.2240.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <880dece00810151312o81d56bfje1ba50f3778a56ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F6510D.80203@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/15 Emanoil Kotsev : >>> You need the codepage to do the conversion from long to >>> short file >>> names and it should be set to the codepage number used >>> under MS-DOS in >>> your country. >> This all applies to Dotans issue. >> > > Rats, I could have save hundreds on that psychiatrist had I read that > years ago! And to think what a mess she's done with my 'issue'... > >>> Yes i think so to. Perhaps someday all layers involving >>> characters >>> will work with unicode and we dont have to care about all >>> this >>> conversation. >> thanks for explaining all of this. Think now it's clear to everyone >> > > At least Python 3 is moving in that direction, along with almost every > popular Linux distro. > if you read through LinuxFromScratch, you'll be surprised at the number of packages that can, with minor modifications, support Unicode, some of them will only support it as a legacy option, but many will be able to support it natively if the system locales are set to Unicode. of course, some packages still require from the ground up rebuild, and still crash in Unicode systems. but as said, sooner or later, we'll be using fully unicode systems, and get rid of all this hassle. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course there > are two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the > password in both of them and press apply it does not send > the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up > with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if > it's normal?! > >> > >> I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is > working fine :-P > >> > >> As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be > a beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed > about it in advance. > >> > >> regards > > > > Just guessing but could this be an issue with the web > page not being > > standards compliant? I see a lot of complaints that > look like this > > with people surfing using something besides FF. > > > > yes this unfortunately happens a lot, and people tend to > blame the > browser rather than the website. here in my country, most > arabic > websites are not Unicode, but use some weird encoding, and > worst still, > you'll find front page's signature in most of their > headers! and of > course, Firefox will give you a page loaded with gibberish > unless you > modify the preferences and change the encoding used for the > website. but > dear IE uses the correct encoding, and they geniusly > suggest straight > away that IE is smarter in rendering. very annoying indeed. > I "love" pages that can be viewed _only_ with IE. Others say "optimised for IE" - also a great statement. I'm waiting for the IE for linux all the time :-D From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 15 20:30:29 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:30:29 -0700 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:31:09 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810151259p808206fo7593707805999ca7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <102328.94263.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Art Alexion wrote: > From: Art Alexion > Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 9:59 PM > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Emanoil Kotsev > wrote: > > > > > There I have to create a user for some service and I > have to setup a password for this user. Of course there are > two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the > password in both of them and press apply it does not send > the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up > with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if > it's normal?! > > > > I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is > working fine :-P > > > > As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be a > beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed > about it in advance. > > I can without hesitation say that I have never had that > problem, and I > have used Firefox daily since pre-1.0, Mozilla before that > and > Netscape before that. There have been occasional problems > (usually > involving memory leaks) but never that one. > It has never happened to me either - there is always a first time for something ;-) I've been using netscape since version 4.7 ... but this behaviour of firefox 3 was odd. The other thing is that beta software is included in official kubuntu distro. I don't need pro or contra arguments - I've done my choice regards From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:38:19 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:38:19 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2 and Amarok 1.4 In-Reply-To: <48F64FA3.30306@gmail.com> References: <48F64FA3.30306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810151338q637668d6v497c34400cdaa292@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 > if you read the last line of the article, it's obvious that there is a > part of the article missing! the sentence is cut in it's middle :S > so anyone know if i can install amarok 2 and amarok 1.4 alongside each > other in intrepid? is this possible? > thanks in advance You can already do it with Hardy. Google "amarok-nightly" for the repo instructions. If you can't find them, I'll take a look at my sources.list a post them. The meta-package is amarok-nightly. Some days it works great other days it won't work at all. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Wed Oct 15 20:40:02 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:40:02 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2 and Amarok 1.4 In-Reply-To: <48F64FA3.30306@gmail.com> References: <48F64FA3.30306@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 > if you read the last line of the article, it's obvious that there is a > part of the article missing! the sentence is cut in it's middle :S > so anyone know if i can install amarok 2 and amarok 1.4 alongside each > other in intrepid? is this possible? It might get tricky since Kubuntu Intrepid doesn't use the .kde4/ configuration anymore but uses .kde/ by default, so you might experience difficulties. It was not a problem with KDE4 on Hardy as it used a separate configuration folder. Did you try Neon instead of Amarok 2 beta 2? This would use a .amarok-neon/ folder for the configuration IIRC Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:40:08 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897469.86530.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Knapp wrote: > From: Knapp > Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 9:49 PM > > Ok, here it is what's wrong. We use in our company > a kind of older version of WebLogic server. > > > > There I have to create a user for some service and I > have to setup a password for this user. Of course there are > two fields (password, confirm password) When I write the > password in both of them and press apply it does not send > the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up > with a message "Password differ!" You tell me if > it's normal?! > > > > I tried the same with firefox 2 - everything is > working fine :-P > > > > As I stated somewhere else I don't want to be a > beta tester for anything especially if I was not informed > about it in advance. > > > > regards > > Just guessing but could this be an issue with the web page > not being > standards compliant? I see a lot of complaints that look > like this > with people surfing using something besides FF. > My guess is that it has to do something with the passwords stored in firefox, but didn't have time to investigate and didn't want to. I have a working browser and it's called firefox 2 I indeed noticed that the v3 runs more smoothly but this issue was the sentence for v3. I can not hope that the software (Weblogic) would be changed in this version so if firefox 2 is working and v3 is not working it's definitely a firefox v3 issue. regards From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:44:09 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:44:09 +0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <778822.77545.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <778822.77545.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F65619.6020504@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> away that IE is smarter in rendering. very annoying indeed. >> > > I "love" pages that can be viewed _only_ with IE. > Others say "optimised for IE" - also a great statement. I'm waiting for the IE for linux all the time :-D > of course you will, this is the sign of a classy and modern website. it's actually a privilege that not many website owners can get, you need a lot of hard, deep-to-earth studies in order to get stamped by this IE-only expression. IE for linux? a couple of weeks ago, i was explaining to my stupid cousin what Linux is, and why we can't run win32 executable in Linux, and vice-versa for linux executables. and then we went to the discussion of wine, and i though he was catching up, until he asked, "can't you run Win XP under wine? wouldn't it be easier?" lmao, that's when i decided he's much better off with XP :-P so, i'm still waiting for the day when XP for linux gets released :-P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree, I need to be root to > install a packages globally. BUT why do I need root access to build a > .rpm from the source code??? Because rpm is a little broken. Since you need to be root to install rpms, the program seemed to assume that you were always root. It makes you be root to build rpms, by default. Actually, it is possible to reconfigure your environment so that you can build RPMs as a regular user. I don't know all the exact recipe, but I think you need to set an environment var to point to where your RPMs should be built. Or maybe that is in a config file somewhere. The problem is that RPM thinks that /usr/src/RPM is a good place to do builds. That is so 1990s! It really should be changed to ~/.rpmbuild/ or something like that. Michael From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Oct 15 20:54:29 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:54:29 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <5008002.GpEoHC8W2W@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <5008002.GpEoHC8W2W@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810151654.29823.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 15 October 2008 1:51:34 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Paul Lemmons wrote: > > There is something that has been bugging me for several years. While > > fairly new to Ubuntu I have been using Linux as my primary OS since > > Fedora core 2. The thing that has been a irritation for all of that time > > is the repeated recommendation to do a "Clean Install" instead of an > > upgrade. > > Where? Not here. There'll always be some people who swim against the > flow, but Debian-based distros aren't intended to be installed clean with > every release. > > > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade > > process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? > > I generally upgrade, but I'm typically buying either a new system, or at > least a new drive, every third release or so, and then they get fresh > installs. > > > Why the constant advice to > > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then > > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that > > you did not miss anything? > > Because you can? With Windows, I _couldn't_ do that. With Linux, I can. > Install the base system, copy the old /home over it. Install the packages > from /etc/apt/installed.txt (not a stock file - I create that), copy /etc > & /var from the old system. Done. Ok this piques my interest. why copy /etc and /var? what if the fresh install made changes to some files in those directories that your backups of /etc and /var didn't have? I usually only backup .kde/share/apps and .kde/share/config to a separate partition. All the rest of my saved documents, music, and everything else is also saved automatically on this separate partition as well which resides on a separate HD. When I do a fresh install (which I am soooooo guilty of) I cherry pick my files from the backups which is usually just settings for kontact and my contacts and mail server settings and the look and feel of my desktop. -- David M. From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:54:49 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:54:49 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <48F65619.6020504@gmail.com> References: <778822.77545.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F65619.6020504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810151354h62a01066k836bef32afffe92e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >>> away that IE is smarter in rendering. very annoying indeed. >>> >> >> I "love" pages that can be viewed _only_ with IE. >> Others say "optimised for IE" - also a great statement. I'm waiting for the IE for linux all the time :-D >> > > of course you will, this is the sign of a classy and modern website. > it's actually a privilege that not many website owners can get, you need > a lot of hard, deep-to-earth studies in order to get stamped by this > IE-only expression. IE for linux? a couple of weeks ago, i was > explaining to my stupid cousin what Linux is, and why we can't run win32 > executable in Linux, and vice-versa for linux executables. and then we > went to the discussion of wine, and i though he was catching up, until > he asked, "can't you run Win XP under wine? wouldn't it be easier?" > lmao, that's when i decided he's much better off with XP :-P > We have heard of wine and ies4lin haven't we? You can run increasingly more w32 executables, and with ies4lin, you can run IE. Why bother, you ask? Well, some people may need to. My office uses a custom "browser based" database front end from Lawson that will eventually run the financial infrastructure of the entire 3000+ employee company in 11 US states. Lawson uses active-x, so IE is necessary. Runs under IE6 in the ies4lin package. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:57:37 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:57:37 +0300 Subject: Amarok 2 and Amarok 1.4 In-Reply-To: References: <48F64FA3.30306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F65941.4070808@gmail.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Willy > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 >> if you read the last line of the article, it's obvious that there is a >> part of the article missing! the sentence is cut in it's middle :S >> so anyone know if i can install amarok 2 and amarok 1.4 alongside each >> other in intrepid? is this possible? > > It might get tricky since Kubuntu Intrepid doesn't use the .kde4/ > configuration anymore but uses .kde/ by default, so you might > experience difficulties. It was not a problem with KDE4 on Hardy as it > used a separate configuration folder. Did you try Neon instead of > Amarok 2 beta 2? This would use a .amarok-neon/ folder for the > configuration IIRC > > Greets > > Myriam > no luck, apparently neon is only for hardy, it creates loads of conflicts with QT libs in intrepid. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra wrote: > http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 > if you read the last line of the article, it's obvious that there is a > part of the article missing! the sentence is cut in it's middle :S > so anyone know if i can install amarok 2 and amarok 1.4 alongside each > other in intrepid? is this possible? > thanks in advance installing amarok2 removes amarok1.4, and vice-versa you can try it out, but I recommend backing up your amarokrc and your ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok just to be safe. Amarok2 uses a different database so I don't think there should be any issues there, but its always safe to back up. I have 'switched' back and forth a few times with no problems on the 1.4 version, but the older alpha/betas were unstable for me. but I haven't yet tried out the latest beta. -- Clay Weber From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Oct 15 21:37:48 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:37:48 -0500 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810151354h62a01066k836bef32afffe92e@mail.gmail.com> References: <778822.77545.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F65619.6020504@gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810151354h62a01066k836bef32afffe92e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F662AC.8050108@swbell.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> >>>> away that IE is smarter in rendering. very annoying indeed. >>>> >>>> >>> I "love" pages that can be viewed _only_ with IE. >>> Others say "optimised for IE" - also a great statement. I'm waiting for the IE for linux all the time :-D >>> >>> >> of course you will, this is the sign of a classy and modern website. >> it's actually a privilege that not many website owners can get, you need >> a lot of hard, deep-to-earth studies in order to get stamped by this >> IE-only expression. IE for linux? a couple of weeks ago, i was >> explaining to my stupid cousin what Linux is, and why we can't run win32 >> executable in Linux, and vice-versa for linux executables. and then we >> went to the discussion of wine, and i though he was catching up, until >> he asked, "can't you run Win XP under wine? wouldn't it be easier?" >> lmao, that's when i decided he's much better off with XP :-P >> >> > > We have heard of wine and ies4lin haven't we? You can run > increasingly more w32 executables, and with ies4lin, you can run IE. > Why bother, you ask? Well, some people may need to. My office uses a > custom "browser based" database front end from Lawson that will > eventually run the financial infrastructure of the entire 3000+ > employee company in 11 US states. Lawson uses active-x, so IE is > necessary. Runs under IE6 in the ies4lin package. > > > > Near as I can figure IES4LINUX is a dead project. The latest installation instructions appear to be written for "edgy", and nothing new since 2006. On top of that I can't get anything to work. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From jdz99 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 21:39:22 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:39:22 +0000 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> References: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> Message-ID: The additions were installed....I also updated Kubuntu. Still, after re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are Disabled 800x600 (Auto) 640x480 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:30:29 -0700 From: paul at lemmons.name To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: 800x600 in Kubuntu CC: ignazio_io at yahoo.it -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:800x600 in Kubuntu From: Peter Klaassen To: ignazio_io at yahoo.it, Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 10/15/2008 12:32 PM Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 21:11:16 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: After re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are Disabled 800x600 (Auto) 640x480 I double check is the VirtualBoxGuestAdditions.iso already was loaded. It is. see devices, mount cd/dvd, mount cd/dvd image in the guest's menu/ still no possibility to change the resolution. You have to *install* the additions, not just have the ISO mounted. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 21:40:32 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:32 +0200 Subject: SD card suddenly read-only In-Reply-To: <48F6510D.80203@gmail.com> References: <171948.2240.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <880dece00810151312o81d56bfje1ba50f3778a56ad@mail.gmail.com> <48F6510D.80203@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/15 Willy K. Hamra : > if you read through LinuxFromScratch, you'll be surprised at the number > of packages that can, with minor modifications, support Unicode, some of > them will only support it as a legacy option, but many will be able to > support it natively if the system locales are set to Unicode. of course, > some packages still require from the ground up rebuild, and still crash > in Unicode systems. but as said, sooner or later, we'll be using fully > unicode systems, and get rid of all this hassle. > We will get there, just in the last couple of years there has happened a lot in this area and i think the most of the basic program in a Linux system works OK with UTF-8 now. Linux from Scratch is a very good source for how a Linux OS works and the core of a basic linux system. You can learn a lot by just reading the book. I used to run Linux From Scratch but I'm to lazy to read all mailing list to find patches that fixes bugs and security for all programs. It's easier just to run apt-get upgrade :-) / Jonas From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 21:45:14 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <48F662AC.8050108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <521733.34724.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Billie Walsh wrote: > From: Billie Walsh > Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:37 PM > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Willy K. Hamra > wrote: > > > >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> > >>>> away that IE is smarter in rendering. very > annoying indeed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I "love" pages that can be viewed > _only_ with IE. > >>> Others say "optimised for IE" - also > a great statement. I'm waiting for the IE for linux all > the time :-D > >>> > >>> > >> of course you will, this is the sign of a classy > and modern website. > >> it's actually a privilege that not many > website owners can get, you need > >> a lot of hard, deep-to-earth studies in order to > get stamped by this > >> IE-only expression. IE for linux? a couple of > weeks ago, i was > >> explaining to my stupid cousin what Linux is, and > why we can't run win32 > >> executable in Linux, and vice-versa for linux > executables. and then we > >> went to the discussion of wine, and i though he > was catching up, until > >> he asked, "can't you run Win XP under > wine? wouldn't it be easier?" > >> lmao, that's when i decided he's much > better off with XP :-P > >> > >> > > > > We have heard of wine and ies4lin haven't we? You > can run > > increasingly more w32 executables, and with ies4lin, > you can run IE. > > Why bother, you ask? Well, some people may need to. > My office uses a > > custom "browser based" database front end > from Lawson that will > > eventually run the financial infrastructure of the > entire 3000+ > > employee company in 11 US states. Lawson uses > active-x, so IE is > > necessary. Runs under IE6 in the ies4lin package. > > > > > > > > > > Near as I can figure IES4LINUX is a dead project. The > latest > installation instructions appear to be written for > "edgy", and nothing > new since 2006. On top of that I can't get anything to > work. > I would rather prefer to see the w3c compliant logo on a web site, which means that any w3c compliant application can render the page. As of the example with the financial infrastructure it's always a matter of choice, design and implementation and I would cite the PERLs slogan "there is always morethen one way to do it". regards From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 21:51:04 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:51:04 -0500 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy Message-ID: Hello All! When using the envy driver for the nvidia chip does one need to reinstall the package after a kernel update. When I upgraded the kernel there was no envy driver update and when rebooted the kernel complained about the missing module. TIA -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 22:22:51 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:22:51 -0400 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810151822.51509.gloonie@earthlink.net> Did you install your previous nVidia using EnvyNG, or from Adept, etc.? I used EnvyNG, and everything worked like a charm during the upgrade. Glenn On Wednesday 15 October 2008 17:51:04 John Pierce wrote: > Hello All! > > When using the envy driver for the nvidia chip does one need to > reinstall the package after a kernel update. > > When I upgraded the kernel there was no envy driver update and when > rebooted the kernel complained about > the missing module. > > TIA > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image. -- Karl Marx From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 22:46:08 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:46:08 -0500 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: <200810151822.51509.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810151822.51509.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > Did you install your previous nVidia using EnvyNG, or from Adept, etc.? I used > EnvyNG, and everything worked like a charm during the upgrade. > > Glenn > Through Adept, I have just installed the envyng package and will check it out. See if it recommends removing and reinstalling, etc. Thanks. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Wed Oct 15 23:08:03 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:08:03 -0400 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48F677D3.8080009@ajinfosearch.com> Jim Douglas wrote: > The additions were installed....I also updated Kubuntu. > > Still, after re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are > > Disabled > 800x600 (Auto) > 640x480 For some reason vbox doesn't use it's own driver in 8.10 as a guest. You just have to add one line with "vboxvideo" as the driver to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file so it looks like this: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" Driver "vboxvideo" EndSection I had the same problem and it works just like it should now. Restart kdm and then you just have to resize the window and the display automatically fills it. Alan -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 23:10:00 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:10:00 -0400 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: References: <200810151822.51509.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810151910.01053.gloonie@earthlink.net> Just a heads up: I had some problems until I uninstalled the restricted nvidia stuff and then installed via EnvyNG HTH, glenn On Wednesday 15 October 2008 18:46:08 John Pierce wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Did you install your previous nVidia using EnvyNG, or from Adept, etc.? I > > used EnvyNG, and everything worked like a charm during the upgrade. > > > > Glenn > > Through Adept, I have just installed the envyng package and will check > it out. See if it > recommends removing and reinstalling, etc. > > Thanks. > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal From mdhirsch at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 23:15:33 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:15:33 -0600 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151654.29823.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <5008002.GpEoHC8W2W@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151654.29823.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810151615w4e4fa3d1kbf112a8050ecf7c7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM, David McGlone wrote: > Ok this piques my interest. why copy /etc and /var? what if the fresh install > made changes to some files in those directories that your backups of /etc > and /var didn't have? I don't usually backup /var, but I always back up /etc. What if the new install overwrites one of my configs, or is incompatible with it? I want to know how I had the X server setup before so that I can try to fix the new one. I want to recall how I had my dhcp setup to override the DNS entry and what if it is overwritten. What is my new fstab is missing something that worked before? /etc/ contains all of my system configuration. I back it up so that if I ever wonder how it used to work I can find it. Or, god forbid, I decided to reinstall the old version I have a complete backup of what worked. Michael From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 23:15:40 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:15:40 -0500 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: <200810151910.01053.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810151822.51509.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200810151910.01053.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > Just a heads up: I had some problems until I uninstalled the restricted nvidia > stuff and then installed via EnvyNG > Okay, I just installed the EnvyNG and let it install the kernel automatically and upon reboot it complained that there were multiple version of the module. And no runlevel 5, kdm just kept restarting. I am going to run the program again and let it uninstall and then restart with the vesa driver and then start again. Thanks -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From mdhirsch at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 23:18:52 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:18:52 -0600 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Mike Shaw wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after > upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a > while and although the performance was not as good as when I was > running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge difference after > upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially > seems to have gone down hill. I would agree. I think that each release has used more memory. After the hardy upgrade my wife's system is running out of memory. I'm ashamed that Linux can't run well in .5 Gig. She doesn't do much, but with firefox, kmail, and openoffice running, she's out of RAM. I figure with another stick or two it should be fine again. Michael From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 23:28:29 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:28:29 -0400 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: References: <200810151910.01053.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810151928.30126.gloonie@earthlink.net> John, I don't know if you have seen Alberto Milone's pages (author of EnvyNG): http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html They may contain something helpful. Glenn On Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:15:40 John Pierce wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Just a heads up: I had some problems until I uninstalled the restricted > > nvidia stuff and then installed via EnvyNG > > Okay, I just installed the EnvyNG and let it install the kernel > automatically and upon reboot it complained > that there were multiple version of the module. And no runlevel 5, > kdm just kept restarting. > > I am going to run the program again and let it uninstall and then > restart with the vesa driver and then start again. > > Thanks > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Millet hayatı tehlikeye maruz kalmayınca, savaş cinayettir -- M. Kemal Atatürk From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 07:05:00 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:05:00 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Michael Hirsch wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Mike Shaw wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after >> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a >> while and although the performance was not as good as when I was >> running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge difference after >> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially >> seems to have gone down hill. > > I would agree. I think that each release has used more memory. After > the hardy upgrade my wife's system is running out of memory. I'm > ashamed that Linux can't run well in .5 Gig. She doesn't do much, but > with firefox, kmail, and openoffice running, she's out of RAM. I > figure with another stick or two it should be fine again. > > Michael You blame Linux but if you look at what you just said, a large part of it is because the software you are using is dealing with MS stuff. If the web were always standards compliant and file formats did not have windows formats to deal with and all the drivers were open source you would see a much smaller memory footprint. As it is you can still run Damn Small Linux just fine with the memory on your wife's computer. Try booting it to ram, you will be shocked at the speed!! Thing is you most likely want all the bells and whistles. I would bet that just compiling your own Kernel would cut your memory usage way down with the removal of unused drivers. Of course I could be off here because the newer kernels only load what is needed. I have not played with this side of it in many years. Software always grows to use available space and speed and that is based on the nice computers a lot of the devs have. There is also a huge shift in how people code. When I wrote code for a C64 we would spend a week going over the machine code to remove a few bytes. Now when I code I go over it and make the code longer so that it is clearer for debugging and maintenance. I also rarely worry about making my code faster or smaller. Why would I waste the time? I have a HUGE hd and LOTS of ram and my CPU is a x2 64 bit monster. Then there are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less buggy but they don't make it more efficient or smaller. A lot of code is now done in Python, an interpreted language. It used to be all done in assemble or C and compiled. If you really want Kubuntu, FF, and OO then you will have to live with bloat. If you want small and fast change to Xubuntu with Dillo for your browser, and Abacus for writing. Or get really crazy and learn Vim, ELinks and just forget about a GUI! I can do 99% of my computer tasks without a GUI. The only time I need a GUI is for FF and Blender3D. The rest of the time I use it because it is convenient and I like to cut and paste between software. Linux is what you make it. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 07:15:43 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:15:43 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <187780.76576.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810160915.43876.valtermura@gmail.com> Il mercoledì 15 ottobre 2008 21:04:37 Emanoil Kotsev ha scritto: > > > > i can't seem to understand what's wrong with > > firefox 3? i mean firefox 3 > > beta 4 and previous versions of firefox 3 were buggy > > alright, but beta 5 > > and the later releases work flawlessly and much lighter > > than firefox 2! > > firefox 2 used to take up to 300 megs of my memory with > > only 4 tabs, and > > without using any excessive flash, only one or 2 simple > > flash banners. > > whereas now, firefox 3 is taking 120 megs with 12 tabs > > divided in 2 > > windows! 12 tabs back in gutsy were impossible for me! > > as for the rest of hardy, i think it's the best release > > of kubuntu ever. > > light, compatible with loads of new hardware, almost bug > > free, i never > > had any major issue with hardy, unlike feisty or gutsy, and > > unlike intrepid. > > Ok, here it is what's wrong. We use in our company a kind of older version > of WebLogic server. > > There I have to create a user for some service and I have to setup a > password for this user. Of course there are two fields (password, confirm > password) When I write the password in both of them and press apply it does > not send the password from the second field (I guess), so I end up with a > message "Password differ!" You tell me if it's normal?! Which version are you using? FF 3.0.2 had a bug with password, solved in 3.0.3: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454708 -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 09:07:08 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810160915.43876.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <464528.55258.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Valter Mura wrote: > From: Valter Mura > Subject: Re: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:15 AM > Il mercoledì 15 ottobre 2008 21:04:37 Emanoil Kotsev ha > scritto: > > > > > > i can't seem to understand what's wrong > with > > > firefox 3? i mean firefox 3 > > > beta 4 and previous versions of firefox 3 were > buggy > > > alright, but beta 5 > > > and the later releases work flawlessly and much > lighter > > > than firefox 2! > > > firefox 2 used to take up to 300 megs of my > memory with > > > only 4 tabs, and > > > without using any excessive flash, only one or 2 > simple > > > flash banners. > > > whereas now, firefox 3 is taking 120 megs with 12 > tabs > > > divided in 2 > > > windows! 12 tabs back in gutsy were impossible > for me! > > > as for the rest of hardy, i think it's the > best release > > > of kubuntu ever. > > > light, compatible with loads of new hardware, > almost bug > > > free, i never > > > had any major issue with hardy, unlike feisty or > gutsy, and > > > unlike intrepid. > > > > Ok, here it is what's wrong. We use in our company > a kind of older version > > of WebLogic server. > > > > There I have to create a user for some service and I > have to setup a > > password for this user. Of course there are two fields > (password, confirm > > password) When I write the password in both of them > and press apply it does > > not send the password from the second field (I guess), > so I end up with a > > message "Password differ!" You tell me if > it's normal?! > > Which version are you using? FF 3.0.2 had a bug with > password, solved in > 3.0.3: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454708 > ii firefox 3.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 meta package for the popular mozilla web bro ii firefox-3.0 3.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 safe and easy web browser from Mozilla regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 08:48:08 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:48:08 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Michael Hirsch > wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Mike Shaw wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Just wanted to see what other people's experience with Hardy after >>> upgrading from Gutsy? I had been running Gutsy on my T41 for quite a >>> while and although the performance was not as good as when I was >>> running Gentoo it was okay. But I noticed a huge difference after >>> upgrading to Hardy - and it wasn't a positive. Firefox especially >>> seems to have gone down hill. >> >> I would agree. I think that each release has used more memory. After >> the hardy upgrade my wife's system is running out of memory. I'm >> ashamed that Linux can't run well in .5 Gig. She doesn't do much, but >> with firefox, kmail, and openoffice running, she's out of RAM. I >> figure with another stick or two it should be fine again. >> >> Michael > > You blame Linux but if you look at what you just said, a large part of > it is because the software you are using is dealing with MS stuff. If > the web were always standards compliant and file formats did not have > windows formats to deal with and all the drivers were open source you > would see a much smaller memory footprint. As it is you can still run > Damn Small Linux just fine with the memory on your wife's computer. > Try booting it to ram, you will be shocked at the speed!! Thing is you > most likely want all the bells and whistles. I would bet that just > compiling your own Kernel would cut your memory usage way down with > the removal of unused drivers. Of course I could be off here because > the newer kernels only load what is needed. I have not played with > this side of it in many years. Software always grows to use available > space and speed and that is based on the nice computers a lot of the > devs have. > > There is also a huge shift in how people code. When I wrote code for a > C64 we would spend a week going over the machine code to remove a few > bytes. Now when I code I go over it and make the code longer so that > it is clearer for debugging and maintenance. I also rarely worry about > making my code faster or smaller. Why would I waste the time? I have a > HUGE hd and LOTS of ram and my CPU is a x2 64 bit monster. Then there > are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less buggy but > they don't make it more efficient or smaller. A lot of code is now > done in Python, an interpreted language. It used to be all done in > assemble or C and compiled. Thanks for mentioining this. I think it's really the problem and the real problem is the mentality behind ... as you said 'I don't care because my machine .... ' Each and every programmer should care about code optimization. I think younger programmers who did almost never code in C (they are usually using modern scripting language like python) tend to not think too much about what they are actually doing at low level as a result all of us suffer very very sad From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 10:37:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:37:17 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 16 October 2008 10:48:08 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > I think younger programmers who did almost never code in C (they are > usually using modern scripting language like python) tend to not think too > much about what they are actually doing at low level You can't have it both ways. The easier it gets to code (python and widget libraries for example) the more software choices we are all going to have. The best of those new apps will live and gradually get optimized. I speak from a little bit of experience. I am not a good programmer but I have not let that stop me trying to contribute in my own way. I don't care overly about 'optimization' because you have to have something *working* first. It's practical and real. If others suffer from my code they are welcome to fix it -- that's why it's GPL. > as a result all of us suffer Stop being silly. You are not suffering at all. You have choice and you have power to make a difference. My machine runs all kinds of Python/Ruby and other 'scripting' code. It's not slow. The slow-down you are experiencing will be something you'll find eventually and I bet it will be unrelated to python et al. \d From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 16 10:38:24 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:38:24 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> References: <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810161238.24239.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 22:30:29 schreef Paul Lemmons: > You have to *install* the additions, not just have the ISO mounted. Hitting that choice in the guest menu does not do anything. It seems that is already installed, so said an errormessage. But in the systemtray there is no icon from the guest additions, as in de XP guest. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Oct 16 10:43:00 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:43:00 +0100 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F71AB4.1030200@yahoo.it> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Knapp wrote: > [snip] >> >> There is also a huge shift in how people code. When I wrote code for a >> C64 we would spend a week going over the machine code to remove a few >> bytes. Now when I code I go over it and make the code longer so that >> it is clearer for debugging and maintenance. I also rarely worry about >> making my code faster or smaller. Why would I waste the time? I have a >> HUGE hd and LOTS of ram and my CPU is a x2 64 bit monster. Then there >> are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less buggy but >> they don't make it more efficient or smaller. A lot of code is now >> done in Python, an interpreted language. It used to be all done in >> assemble or C and compiled. > > Thanks for mentioining this. I think it's really the problem and the real > problem is the mentality behind ... as you said 'I don't care because my > machine .... ' > > Each and every programmer should care about code optimization. > > I think younger programmers who did almost never code in C (they are usually > using modern scripting language like python) tend to not think too much > about what they are actually doing at low level > > as a result all of us suffer > > very very sad > I am forced to cite Donald Knuth here, back from the seventies: premature optimization is the root of all evil :) the design is what must be honed over and over again, the details of the code come into play only very late in the game. Knapp said: "Then there are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less buggy but they don't make it more efficient or smaller." Faster is not more efficient? Smaller as in memory size, I agree, that's important, but less buggy, from my point of view, is the jackpot. I have done my share of programming in C and debugging other people's C code as well, you would not believe the difference that memory management does, both for size and speed. Java took care of that (up to a point), and the (nowadays little) extra cost is well worth the hours the developers would have to spend in hunting for subtle bugs and trying to defend themselves against buffer overloads - yeah, that's a battle that's still going on. Shortly ago the lack of resources (as in coder time) for Kubuntu was mentioned on this list. There is precious little of it, do you prefer to waste it in chasing assembler code through local and far jumps (been there, done that, the t-shirt is worn out nowadays), or to allow them to step back and realize why is way too slow? In a perfect world, the design should be good and the coding should be perfect. Sadly, in the real world you need compromises... my 2 cents, I. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Oct 16 10:50:00 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:50:00 +0100 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810161238.24239.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> <200810161238.24239.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F71C58.4090408@yahoo.it> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 22:30:29 schreef Paul Lemmons: >> You have to *install* the additions, not just have the ISO mounted. > > Hitting that choice in the guest menu does not do anything. > It seems that is already installed, so said an errormessage. > But in the systemtray there is no icon from the guest additions, > as in de XP guest. > Does the guest window capture your mouse? (I mean, when you click in it, does it stop the mouse from exiting again until you press the host key?) If it does not, then the guest additions are installed and running. Try just pulling the corner of the window and see if it resizes the guest display as well - it does in mine. HTH, I. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 16 11:11:33 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:11:33 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F677D3.8080009@ajinfosearch.com> References: <48F677D3.8080009@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <200810161311.33252.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Thursday 16 October 2008 01:08:03 schreef Alan Dacey: > For some reason vbox doesn't use it's own driver in 8.10 as a guest.  You > just have to add one line with "vboxvideo" as the driver to your > /etc/X11/xorg.conf file so it looks like this: > > Section "Device" >          Identifier      "Configured Video Device" >          Driver          "vboxvideo" > EndSection In 8.04 this does not start the X-server. The driver can not be found is the error message. someone else advised to use Driver "vesa" This start the X-server but still to a max of 800x600 -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 16 11:14:49 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:14:49 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F71C58.4090408@yahoo.it> References: <200810161238.24239.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F71C58.4090408@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200810161314.49795.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Thursday 16 October 2008 12:50:00 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: > Does the guest window capture your mouse? (I mean, when you click in it, > does it stop the mouse from exiting again until you press the host key?) yes, so it is not loaded when I choose the option in the guest window menu, nothing happens. > If it does not, then the guest additions are installed and running. Try > just pulling the corner of the window and see if it resizes the guest > display as well - it does in mine. Is there in your Kubuntu guest a guest additions icon in your left system tray? It does not in mine, but in the XP guest it does. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Oct 16 11:34:37 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:34:37 +0100 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810161314.49795.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810161238.24239.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F71C58.4090408@yahoo.it> <200810161314.49795.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F726CD.1090905@yahoo.it> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 16 October 2008 12:50:00 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: >> Does the guest window capture your mouse? (I mean, when you click in it, >> does it stop the mouse from exiting again until you press the host key?) > > yes, so it is not loaded > when I choose the option in the guest window menu, nothing happens. > >> If it does not, then the guest additions are installed and running. Try >> just pulling the corner of the window and see if it resizes the guest >> display as well - it does in mine. > > Is there in your Kubuntu guest a guest additions icon in your left system > tray? > It does not in mine, but in the XP guest it does. > No icon on tray on mine as well. My steps to install the extensions: - from the Virtuabox menu, Devices - install guest additions On windows, this triggers the autorun and the setup starts, in Linux I have to start the binary manually ... various messages saying driver installed and restart required - restart - mouse is no longer captured, guest definition can be changed by just pulling the window around - my current xorg.conf looks like the one attached HTH, I. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 11:52:07 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:52:07 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <48F71AB4.1030200@yahoo.it> References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> <48F71AB4.1030200@yahoo.it> Message-ID: > "Then there are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less > buggy but they don't make it more efficient or smaller." > > Faster is not more efficient? Smaller as in memory size, I agree, that's > important, but less buggy, from my point of view, is the jackpot. Faster CODING (as in writing the program not running it) is great, if you need to get something done, less buggy more so, but when I say efficient and smaller, I am talking about the final code that the computer runs being smaller and more efficient. There are at least two kinds of optimizations. There is the sort, like unrolling loops and such that lead to really bad to read but fast code and then there are they really important kind that comes WITH the design. A good example of this would be list sorting. You can use a bubble sort and it is easy to understand, it is easy to sell to your boss and it will be bug free most times. It is a good sort. BUT, then there is the quick sort. I still think it is magick! How does that really work?? Yes, I know how to write it but still, who ever invented it was a GREAT programmer! This is the sort of programming that we would really like to have for everything we write. Alas most programmers are not great programmers and most programs written by poor programmers will have bubble sort sort of code in them and no one will ever fix it. I think the person who said he just writes and lets other clean up is mess is wrong. You should not write that way. If you really do suck as a programmer but want to help then write that code of yours that works and then MAKE IT BETTER YOURSELF!!! You are the best person for the job. No one else understands that problem or your code better than you. Spend the time it takes to learn and take your time to think of the best way to do it. Become a better programmer! Cleaning up someone else's half ass code is not something any programmer wants to do. I think that if someone can ever write a python compiler that known when to treat the code like C and when to just let it be, we will have the best of both worlds. I looks like this is an AI nightmare at this point. The only reason we can use python for mainline programming is because our computers have become so fast and large (ram). Can you see a C64 OS being written in python? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 11:56:15 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:56:15 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > My machine runs all kinds of Python/Ruby and other 'scripting' code. It's not > slow. The slow-down you are experiencing will be something you'll find > eventually and I bet it will be unrelated to python et al. > > \d Did you read what I wrote? What sort of machine do you have? ROFLOL I bet you real money it is not a 386 like my laptop! (runs Xubuntu but suffers from it. I really should move it over to something like DSL. On the other hand it surfs the net and is code for coding as long as I compile on the big machine.) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:31:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:31:06 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810161431.06565.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:56:15 Knapp wrote: > Did you read what I wrote? What sort of machine do you have? ROFLOL True -- I kind of reacted to the post I replied to. > I bet you real money it is not a 386 like my laptop! Nope. It's not brand new, but I'm glad I left 386 behind when rust killed my mb! :) I must say on a 386 with Xubuntu I also struggled to get anything to run. I had to much more picky about what I installed. \d From thorntreehome at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:30:26 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:30:26 -0700 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <200810151422.05032.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <389698.36121.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:01:06 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > It's kubuntu Lisi, not you! Don't give up! > > That's why I have forced the discussion here recently. People who know > debian, would also know what it means unstable. Just polishing it and > offering it to the masses is not enough for the pure user and at the > other hand the major target of kubuntu are the pure users. I still do > not understand this controversy. > > I'm still pleading that kubuntu devs should get a stable system for > users who have windows level of computer knowledge aka no knowledge in > computers at all. k/ubuntu has the potential but still lacking the will, > making it easier for people with computer knowledge to do the job done > but failing to win the pure home user. > > I've fixed the k/ubuntu installations of all my friends who are not > willing to pay licenses to MS and I know what I'm saying. I also took > them the root/sudo rights and they are very very glad - me too ;-) > > regards Well Emanoil, you just recently mentioned in another thread that you didn't want to discuss that issue any further. It's not going to make you any friends in this community if you lurk waiting for some opportunity to interject the same stuff every chance you get. I imagine there are some who have already plonked you and thus don't see your posts, and though I haven't done that I really don't want to see the same "policy" argument brought up too many more times when it has all been said. Sure, Kubuntu is *based* on Debian Sid (unstable) but Kubuntu is not Debian unstable, developers have worked to make it much easier to use than Sid and I think they are very successful. Do you think that "pure" user you mention would have a good user experience if they tried to install and run Sid? Does everything about Kubuntu work flawlessly for people who don't know what they are doing, no, not *everything*. Would Debian have worked with the specific wlan card that Lisi has, not necessarily. What if it is a broadcom chip, would it have worked on Debian stable (currently Etch) out-of-the-box, no because of the non-free drivers and I haven't even mentioned old version vs. new version. And, just because your wlan card worked, one can't assume all would or even *should* work without user intervention. BTW, when you "fixed" the K/ubuntu installs by removing sudo, many people would characterise that as *breaking* the system. Not everyone shares the same opinions and GNU/Linux gives us a lot of opportunity to choose and the freedom to do so. You don't need to tell us you know what you are saying, we realise that is your opinion. From Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com Thu Oct 16 12:36:21 2008 From: Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com (Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:36:21 -0400 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Peter Klaassen wrote: >> Op Wednesday 15 October 2008 22:30:29 schreef Paul Lemmons: >>> You have to *install* the additions, not just have the ISO mounted. >> >> Hitting that choice in the guest menu does not do anything. >> It seems that is already installed, so said an errormessage. >> But in the systemtray there is no icon from the guest additions, >> as in de XP guest. >> > >Does the guest window capture your mouse? (I mean, when you click in it, >does it stop the mouse from exiting again until you press the host key?) > >If it does not, then the guest additions are installed and running. Try >just pulling the corner of the window and see if it resizes the guest >display as well - it does in mine. >HTH, >I. Maybe the guest additions are not installed. It works automatically for some OS's but I never had that happen in any linux distro as guest. The way I get it to work is like this: -make sure that VBoxGuestAdditions.iso is mounted -open a terminal and cd to /media/cdrom (or your mount point) -type this: sh -i ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run (or the -amd64 file) That runs the script and after a reboot & adding the vboxvideo to xorg.conf, it works fine. There may be better ways to do it, but this works for me. Alan ============================================================================== This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. ============================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 16 13:17:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:17:03 -0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3548389.FNiuzecWO6@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Michael Hirsch > wrote: > >> I would agree. I think that each release has used more memory. After >> the hardy upgrade my wife's system is running out of memory. I'm >> ashamed that Linux can't run well in .5 Gig. She doesn't do much, but >> with firefox, kmail, and openoffice running, she's out of RAM. I >> figure with another stick or two it should be fine again. > > You blame Linux but if you look at what you just said, a large part of > it is because the software you are using is dealing with MS stuff. If > the web were always standards compliant and file formats did not have > windows formats to deal with and all the drivers were open source you > would see a much smaller memory footprint. As it is you can still run > Damn Small Linux just fine with the memory on your wife's computer. > Try booting it to ram, you will be shocked at the speed!! Thing is you > most likely want all the bells and whistles. I agree. My wife doesn't do much on her laptop with .5GB, but she tends to keep somewhere around a million firefox windows & tabs open (give or take 900,000), and sometimes a VirtualBox Windows session. Not surprisingly it runs like a (very tired) dog, then. Usually if I get her to close the unused FF tabs, things pick up. > I would bet that just > compiling your own Kernel would cut your memory usage way down with > the removal of unused drivers. Of course I could be off here because > the newer kernels only load what is needed. The reason we have a "generic" Ubuntu kernel is because the devs could see no meaningful differences between a streamlined one and the generic in normal use. > There is also a huge shift in how people code. When I wrote code for a > C64 we would spend a week going over the machine code to remove a few > bytes. No kidding. In 1983, I shoehorned a program for an Apple IIe into a much larger PC, converting the original assembly code into Turbo Pascal. I believe I used about 10 times the memory of the original program. It's been all downhill from there :-) > Linux is what you make it. Ain't that the truth. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 16 13:23:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:23:27 -0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> <48F71AB4.1030200@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1876646.76JrMnhlpn@cedar.serverforest.com> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> > [snip] >>> >>> There is also a huge shift in how people code. When I wrote code for a >>> C64 we would spend a week going over the machine code to remove a few >>> bytes. Now when I code I go over it and make the code longer so that >>> it is clearer for debugging and maintenance. ... >> Thanks for mentioining this. I think it's really the problem and the real >> problem is the mentality behind ... as you said 'I don't care because my >> machine .... ' >> >> Each and every programmer should care about code optimization. >> >> I think younger programmers who did almost never code in C (they are >> usually using modern scripting language like python) tend to not think >> too much about what they are actually doing at low level >> >> as a result all of us suffer >> >> very very sad >> > > I am forced to cite Donald Knuth here, back from the seventies: > premature optimization is the root of all evil :) Nobody forced you! :-) Donald Knuth has always been one of my software icons, and a very wise man. > the design is what > must be honed over and over again, the details of the code come into > play only very late in the game. Knapp said: > > "Then there are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less > buggy but they don't make it more efficient or smaller." > > Faster is not more efficient? I agree. While I often pine for the days I coded, efficiently, in C or assembler, I can buy a lot of memory for the cost of a day spent optimizing my code. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 16 13:54:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:54:36 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. >> >> How?  It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades in >> the last decade. > > So software never breaks? I admit that when it happened to me it was with > SuSE long ago, but I'm not about to risk that again. Of course software breaks, and I've had it break badly enough that it's taken _days_ to get the system working again. I haven't, however, ever had an upgrade break badly enough that I'm "left with nothing". -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 16 13:51:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:51:18 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <5008002.GpEoHC8W2W@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151654.29823.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <8117587.lW9RzE9Qy0@cedar.serverforest.com> David McGlone wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2008 1:51:34 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >> Paul Lemmons wrote: >> >> > Why the constant advice to >> > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then >> > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that >> > you did not miss anything? >> >> Because you can? With Windows, I _couldn't_ do that. With Linux, I can. >> Install the base system, copy the old /home over it. Install the >> packages from /etc/apt/installed.txt (not a stock file - I create that), >> copy /etc >> & /var from the old system. Done. > > Ok this piques my interest. why copy /etc and /var? what if the fresh > install made changes to some files in those directories that your backups > of /etc and /var didn't have? Well, the post was more to say it was possible, than a how-to. On Windows, configuration & data is tightly coupled to applications, on Linux it goes in either /etc or /var (or /home if it applies to a single user). /var: possibly there's _nothing_ on a new, stock, Ubuntu system you'd need. On _my_ system, it's got the mail and news spools, so at the very least I have to have those. It also has all my web files - including an apt-move mirror of all the packages I've downloaded (from _any_ repo, not just Ubuntu). So basically, if you're running servers, you probably need /var. otoh, you probably _shouldn't_ copy /var/lib/dpkg from the old system. I'm not sure there'd be any harm, but there also shouldn't be anything that won't be recreated by installing all the old packages. The tricky part is /var/cache/debconf and, and now that I think of it, that needs to be on the new system _before_ reinstalling the packages from /etc/apt/installed.txt (it has all your answers to install prompts). I don't think there can be any real harm from overwriting the one from a fresh install - you _will_ lose the answers to any new questions on the packages already installed, but you gain all the answers to unchanged prompts. /etc should _also_ be copied before reinstalling packages. That way, you get all the prompts from dpkg about needing to overwrite a modified config file, and you get to make the decisions about what to keep and what to lose. Of course, if you've never modified anything in /etc, it's safer to leave it. Doing this, there _will_ be situations where applications don't work, because the old configuration isn't compatible with the new application, but I'm certain that this is a rarer case - for my style of installation - than the times that an application from the new install doesn't work because it doesn't have any of my personal customizations. Those problems, though, are why I always do upgrades rather than fresh installs, when upgrading existing hardware. -- derek From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Oct 16 14:12:00 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:12:00 +0100 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> <48F71AB4.1030200@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48F74BB0.8020509@yahoo.it> Knapp wrote: >> "Then there are all the new languages. They make coding faster and less >> buggy but they don't make it more efficient or smaller." >> >> Faster is not more efficient? Smaller as in memory size, I agree, that's >> important, but less buggy, from my point of view, is the jackpot. > > Faster CODING (as in writing the program not running it) is great, if > you need to get something done, less buggy more so, but when I say > efficient and smaller, I am talking about the final code that the > computer runs being smaller and more efficient. Sorry but that wasn't obvious from the original post :) > > There are at least two kinds of optimizations. There is the sort, like > unrolling loops and such that lead to really bad to read but fast code > and then there are they really important kind that comes WITH the > design. A good example of this would be list sorting. You can use a > bubble sort and it is easy to understand, it is easy to sell to your > boss and it will be bug free most times. It is a good sort. BUT, then > there is the quick sort. I still think it is magick! How does that > really work?? Yes, I know how to write it but still, who ever invented > it was a GREAT programmer! This is the sort of programming that we > would really like to have for everything we write. Alas most > programmers are not great programmers and most programs written by > poor programmers will have bubble sort sort of code in them and no one > will ever fix it. Unrolling loops, making sure you don't write outside array bounds, making sure your strings are safe etc etc... that's the kind of optimizations that work great in the compiler or in the interpreter. Developer time and ability would be wasted there, where the compiler can do a better job in a split second time (and those are some of the optimizations Java does :P that's the language I love, sorry...) > I think that if someone can ever write a python compiler that known > when to treat the code like C and when to just let it be, we will have > the best of both worlds. I looks like this is an AI nightmare at this > point. :D why so? optimizing compilers is quite a matter of knowing what costs a lot and how to circumvent around it. No need for AI (where stuff as inefficient as bubble sort is regarded as blazing fast :) trust me, some theoretical AI professors won't flinch if their algorithms turn out to be exponential. They have more complexity classes above exponential than below) Long story short, Derek says a gig of ram costs less than one day work. That's true in most places, not everywhere, but the general advice is: make it nice and pretty and efficient, but don't obsess about that. The real cost is likely somewhere else. I. From slewin at bmts.com Thu Oct 16 14:35:35 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:35:35 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. >> How? It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades in >> the last decade. > > So software never breaks? I admit that when it happened to me it was with > SuSE long ago, but I'm not about to risk that again. > Same here. A Kubuntu upgrade went bad for me and I was never warned that it may kill my system. So, I ended up losing my whole system plus some of my personal files because my system became unusable and I never backed anything up. It may be uncommon, but it is not extremely rare. This is one of the main reasons why I always prefer a new install every time. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Oct 16 15:09:39 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:09:39 +0100 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> Message-ID: <000601c92fa1$3db9b2b0$b92d1810$@net> > Same here. A Kubuntu upgrade went bad for me and I was never warned > that it may kill my system. So, I ended up losing my whole system plus > some of my personal files because my system became unusable and I never > backed anything up. It may be uncommon, but it is not extremely rare. > This is one of the main reasons why I always prefer a new install every > time. > An acquaintance of mine once decided to upgrade the home computer from windoze 95 to 98, I think it was. The machine had never, ever been backed up, so everything was lost. Including college work that his wife had spent several months typing up. For a while, divorce proceedings seemed to be imminent. Last I heard, they were still together, so maybe he spent his evenings and weekends doing lots and lots of typing. Personally, I prefer to make backups of everything I need to keep, then put a new hard drive in the computer, and install to that. That way, if you do discover that there was something else on the old drive that you needed, it can always be recovered. Considering the price of hard drives these days, the cost of doing this is almost irrelevant. A couple of months later, perhaps, the old drive can be recycled into another machine and put back into use. Dave From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 16 14:59:53 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:59:53 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200810161059.53785.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 16 October 2008, Scott wrote: > Same here.  A Kubuntu upgrade went bad for me and I was never warned > that it may kill my system.  So, I ended up losing my whole system plus > some of my personal files because my system became unusable and I never > backed anything up.  It may be uncommon, but it is not extremely rare. > This is one of the main reasons why I always prefer a new install every > time. I would think you could have used the live CD or a Knoppix CD to retrieve the personal files before reloading. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 16 15:21:10 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:21:10 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <000601c92fa1$3db9b2b0$b92d1810$@net> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> <000601c92fa1$3db9b2b0$b92d1810$@net> Message-ID: <200810161121.10193.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 16 October 2008, David Fletcher wrote: > Personally, I prefer to make backups of everything I need to keep, then put > a new hard drive in the computer, and install to that. That way, if you do > discover that there was something else on the old drive that you needed, it > can always be recovered. Considering the price of hard drives these days, > the cost of doing this is almost irrelevant. A couple of months later, > perhaps, the old drive can be recycled into another machine and put back > into use. Much better to define new partitions for the new system. That way you can boot either the new or the old system without a lot of hardware diddling, and you can also copy files from the old while running the new. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 16 15:24:53 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:24:53 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F726CD.1090905@yahoo.it> References: <200810161314.49795.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F726CD.1090905@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200810161724.53699.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Thursday 16 October 2008 13:34:37 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: > On windows, this triggers the autorun and the setup starts, in Linux I > have to start the binary manually how do you do that? if I change the xorg.conf as you the X does not start and the errormessage says that vboxvideo driver does not exist. probably because the guest additions are not installed. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Oct 16 15:30:54 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:30:54 +0100 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810161724.53699.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810161314.49795.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F726CD.1090905@yahoo.it> <200810161724.53699.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F75E2E.8080905@yahoo.it> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 16 October 2008 13:34:37 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: >> On windows, this triggers the autorun and the setup starts, in Linux I >> have to start the binary manually > > how do you do that? > > if I change the xorg.conf as you the X does not start and > the errormessage says that vboxvideo driver does not exist. > > probably because the guest additions are not installed. > > Once you mount the Additions image (you will see that a s a CDROM mounted) go to the command line, chage to the CDROM directory, and you will find VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run (or the amd64 flavor if your system is a 64 bit). then: sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run and after the script finishes and you restart the virtual machine, it should be good to go. HTH, I. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 15:32:25 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:32:25 +0300 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810161724.53699.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810161314.49795.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F726CD.1090905@yahoo.it> <200810161724.53699.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48F75E89.9060204@gmail.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 16 October 2008 13:34:37 schreef Ignazio Palmisano: >> On windows, this triggers the autorun and the setup starts, in Linux I >> have to start the binary manually > > how do you do that? > > if I change the xorg.conf as you the X does not start and > the errormessage says that vboxvideo driver does not exist. > > probably because the guest additions are not installed. > > maybe he needs to install the package starting with virtualbox-ose-guest-modules ? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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The latest > installation instructions appear to be written for "edgy", and nothing > > new since 2006. On top of that I can't get anything to work. I have it running for Hardy. It has been a while, but I installed it via some scripts, and not a deb. It was not Ubuntu specific. The command line scripts downloaded IE from the microsoft.com website and installed them to run under wine. They still work for me. I have not tried to install IE7 as I just need active-x for this one app and wouldn't use the browser for anything else. From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Oct 16 15:57:18 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:57:18 +0100 Subject: Dual boot Gutsy and Hardy Message-ID: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> I am running Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment. I now have the alternate install CD for Hardy. I have plenty of room on my hard disk (I am using under 10% at the moment) so I would like to add Hardy as a second distro, with the choice at log-in whether to run Gutsy or Hardy. I did this in the past with Mandriva and Kubuntu, using Mandriva partitioner and it worked well. I am not so sure now that I have Kubuntu installed. I have Googled for dual booting but everyone seems to assume that you want to have Linux and Windows. Not so. Can anyone start me off please? Will this be a simple task using the alternate CD? Thanks Neil Winchurst From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 16:00:33 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:00:33 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <521733.34724.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <521733.34724.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F76521.30305@gmail.com> On 10/15/2008 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > I would rather prefer to see the w3c compliant logo on a web site, which means that any w3c compliant application can render the page. > > I would rather spend my winters in the tropics, too. However, my employer has invested millions in this software (without obtaining my permission, if you can believe that!) and I will either find a way to use it or get another job (perhaps in the aforementioned tropics). From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 16 15:50:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:50:13 -0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> <48F71AB4.1030200@yahoo.it> <48F74BB0.8020509@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1288385.QnJYNvC6to@cedar.serverforest.com> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Long story short, Derek says a gig of ram costs less than one day work. > That's true in most places, not everywhere, LOL. You're right, but I actually said it was cheaper than _my_ work :-) -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Oct 16 16:17:04 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:17:04 -0500 Subject: Dual boot Gutsy and Hardy In-Reply-To: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> References: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48F76900.3000808@swbell.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I am running Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment. I now have the alternate > install CD for Hardy. I have plenty of room on my hard disk (I am using > under 10% at the moment) so I would like to add Hardy as a second > distro, with the choice at log-in whether to run Gutsy or Hardy. > > I did this in the past with Mandriva and Kubuntu, using Mandriva > partitioner and it worked well. I am not so sure now that I have Kubuntu > installed. > > I have Googled for dual booting but everyone seems to assume that you > want to have Linux and Windows. Not so. > > Can anyone start me off please? Will this be a simple task using the > alternate CD? > > Thanks > > Neil Winchurst > > Piece of cake. Pop in the install CD and boot the machine. Pick "Install". When it comes to the partition part of the install use the manual and set up how you want it done. Let it finish installation. DONE!!!! [ OH YEAH, you have to tell it where you want Grub installed. ] I KNOW your going to get other advice about using gparted, or something, to partition the disk before you start and all that stuff but I find that the installer partitioner [ probably gparted ] does just fine. During the Grub installation process it looks at ALL your hard drives and sets everything up for you. No sweat! -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 16 16:21:31 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:21:31 -0400 Subject: Dual boot Gutsy and Hardy In-Reply-To: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> References: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200810161221.31161.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 16 October 2008, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have Googled for dual booting but everyone seems to assume that you > want to have Linux and Windows. Not so. > > Can anyone start me off please? Will this be a simple task using the > alternate CD? Make a new partition for root (/) and boot (/boot) I will assume you have a partition all by itself for /home but if not, also define a new partition for /home Install the system and use the 'manual' definition of partitions. Assign your new partitions to / and /boot and /home (new or old) Tell it to format (if needed) the new / and /boot and if /home is new, format that too. Install the new system. It will now boot to the new system. You will have to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst to include the entries for the old system. When that is done, you can boot the old or new system. When I am doing the manual set up of partitions, I also assigned the old partitions in the system to make life easy. Such as: /bootgutsy /gutsy Thus, when hardy is booted, you will have access to the /bootgutsy and /gutsy partitions for copying files. If you made a new /home, you will have to copy the files from gutsy over to your new /home partition. From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 16:30:07 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:30:07 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c2aabaf0810151618n858479ahebc0429e0c6e8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F76C0F.6070508@gmail.com> On 10/15/2008 Michael Hirsch wrote: > I'm > ashamed that Linux can't run well in .5 Gig. She doesn't do much, but > > with firefox, kmail, and openoffice running, she's out of RAM. This does not surprise me, especially if she has numerous tabs in FF. OpenOffice runs much more efficiently than it used to, but still uses a lot of resources. From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 16:46:42 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:46:42 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > On Thursday, 16 October 2008 10:48:08 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> I think younger programmers who did almost never code in C (they are >> usually using modern scripting language like python) tend to not think >> too much about what they are actually doing at low level > > You can't have it both ways. The easier it gets to code (python and widget > libraries for example) the more software choices we are all going to have. > The best of those new apps will live and gradually get optimized. > > I speak from a little bit of experience. I am not a good programmer but I > have not let that stop me trying to contribute in my own way. I don't care > overly about 'optimization' because you have to have something *working* > first. > > It's practical and real. If others suffer from my code they are welcome to > fix it -- that's why it's GPL. > >> as a result all of us suffer > Stop being silly. You are not suffering at all. You have choice and you > have power to make a difference. > > My machine runs all kinds of Python/Ruby and other 'scripting' code. It's > not slow. The slow-down you are experiencing will be something you'll find > eventually and I bet it will be unrelated to python et al. > > \d Ok mr. python advocate From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 17:01:21 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:01:21 +0200 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <200810151422.05032.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <389698.36121.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thorny wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:01:06 -0700, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > >> It's kubuntu Lisi, not you! Don't give up! >> >> That's why I have forced the discussion here recently. People who know >> debian, would also know what it means unstable. Just polishing it and >> offering it to the masses is not enough for the pure user and at the >> other hand the major target of kubuntu are the pure users. I still do >> not understand this controversy. >> >> I'm still pleading that kubuntu devs should get a stable system for >> users who have windows level of computer knowledge aka no knowledge in >> computers at all. k/ubuntu has the potential but still lacking the will, >> making it easier for people with computer knowledge to do the job done >> but failing to win the pure home user. >> >> I've fixed the k/ubuntu installations of all my friends who are not >> willing to pay licenses to MS and I know what I'm saying. I also took >> them the root/sudo rights and they are very very glad - me too ;-) >> >> regards > > Well Emanoil, you just recently mentioned in another thread that you > didn't want to discuss that issue any further. It's not going to make you > any friends in this community if you lurk waiting for some opportunity to > interject the same stuff every chance you get. I imagine there are some > who have already plonked you and thus don't see your posts, and though I > haven't done that I really don't want to see the same "policy" argument > brought up too many more times when it has all been said. Yes you right. It's much much better than debian sid. But the apps are not stable enough. I still don't know for sure if  I'm satisfied. For me something is working when it's working 95-98% of the time and for few things it should be 101% (like kernel and disk stuff) May be I want to discuss even if people "plonk" me - I'm still not 100%sure - am I kubuntu software :-). There will be someone who reads the stuff and even if not, I still like to write it down. > > Sure, Kubuntu is *based* on Debian Sid (unstable) but Kubuntu is not > Debian unstable, developers have worked to make it much easier to use than > Sid and I think they are very successful. Do you think that "pure" user > you mention would have a good user experience if they tried to install and > run Sid? Does everything about Kubuntu work flawlessly for people who > don't know what they are doing, no, not *everything*. Would Debian have That's what I'm saying. kubuntu targets people with less experience. Instead of fixing kde 4.X bugs it might be better to give the users a more stable kubuntu and working system. Debian is not targeting those people, so when you go to debian you know what to expect from them. When you go to kubuntu you are told a great linux distro, also for people without linux knowledge - and those people fell on their nose. > worked with the specific wlan card that Lisi has, not necessarily. What if > it is a broadcom chip, would it have worked on Debian stable (currently > Etch) out-of-the-box, no because of the non-free drivers and I haven't > even mentioned old version vs. new version. And, just because your wlan > card worked, one can't assume all would or even *should* work without user > intervention. Of course not, but as you see an average kubuntu user can not manage it and even I had troubles with the networking stuff, but fixed it quickly. > > BTW, when you "fixed" the K/ubuntu installs by removing sudo, many people > would characterise that as *breaking* the system. Not everyone shares the > same opinions and GNU/Linux gives us a lot of opportunity to choose and > the freedom to do so. You don't need to tell us you know what you are > saying, we realise that is your opinion. I removed them as users from the sudoers file and did not remove sudo as a hole. I put myself there, so the next time they have troubles and forget their root password I'm able to help them. At the other hand without sudo they can not break anything and it's proven to work. If I have to visit one of them every day, I wouldn't have time to spent an evening at home. So they write down when what has happened and occasionally I fix the most of it at once - once or twice a year. Still my wish is to have a stable k/ubuntu system working for pure users and the discussins proves that many do think so. I don't care if it's based on unstable or experimental, but if kubuntu aims to target pure users more has to be done regards From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Oct 16 17:08:25 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:08:25 +0100 Subject: Dual boot Gutsy and Hardy In-Reply-To: <48F76900.3000808@swbell.net> References: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> <48F76900.3000808@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48F77509.1060209@drofle.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I am running Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment. I now have the alternate >> install CD for Hardy. I have plenty of room on my hard disk (I am using >> under 10% at the moment) so I would like to add Hardy as a second >> distro, with the choice at log-in whether to run Gutsy or Hardy. >> >> I did this in the past with Mandriva and Kubuntu, using Mandriva >> partitioner and it worked well. I am not so sure now that I have Kubuntu >> installed. >> >> I have Googled for dual booting but everyone seems to assume that you >> want to have Linux and Windows. Not so. >> >> Can anyone start me off please? Will this be a simple task using the >> alternate CD? >> >> Thanks >> >> Neil Winchurst >> >> > > Piece of cake. Pop in the install CD and boot the machine. Pick > "Install". When it comes to the partition part of the install use the > manual and set up how you want it done. Let it finish installation. > DONE!!!! [ OH YEAH, you have to tell it where you want Grub installed. ] > So where do I install it please? > I KNOW your going to get other advice about using gparted, or something, > to partition the disk before you start and all that stuff but I find > that the installer partitioner [ probably gparted ] does just fine. > > During the Grub installation process it looks at ALL your hard drives > and sets everything up for you. No sweat! > When I did the aforementioned Kubuntu install (when Mandriva was already installed) it went very well. What I did then was use the Mandriva partion program first to reduce the size of the main partition for Mandriva which left a chunk of HD 'empty'. When I then installed Edgy one of the choices was 'Use any empty space on the hard disk' for the new install. I did this and Edgy was installed into the empty part of the HD. When I rebooted at the end I found that the dual boot system was already set up for me, with Edgy as the first choice. Easy. I am happy to set up Hardy as a completely separate distro on the HD. I am not expecting to anything from my current Gutsy set up to be included. Then I can look at Hardy and use it to see if it should become my main distro. Thanks for any help Neil From slewin at bmts.com Thu Oct 16 17:11:16 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:11:16 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810161059.53785.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48F75137.40606@bmts.com> <200810161059.53785.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48F775B4.2030808@bmts.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > I would think you could have used the live CD or a Knoppix CD to retrieve the > personal files before reloading. > At the time I did not know how to mount file systems manually. It was when I was still fairly new to Linux. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:19:08 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:19:08 +0300 Subject: Dual boot Gutsy and Hardy In-Reply-To: <48F77509.1060209@drofle.com> References: <48F7645E.4070001@drofle.com> <48F76900.3000808@swbell.net> <48F77509.1060209@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48F7778C.3070003@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >>> I am running Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment. I now have the alternate >>> install CD for Hardy. I have plenty of room on my hard disk (I am using >>> under 10% at the moment) so I would like to add Hardy as a second >>> distro, with the choice at log-in whether to run Gutsy or Hardy. >>> >>> I did this in the past with Mandriva and Kubuntu, using Mandriva >>> partitioner and it worked well. I am not so sure now that I have Kubuntu >>> installed. >>> >>> I have Googled for dual booting but everyone seems to assume that you >>> want to have Linux and Windows. Not so. >>> >>> Can anyone start me off please? Will this be a simple task using the >>> alternate CD? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Neil Winchurst >>> >>> >> Piece of cake. Pop in the install CD and boot the machine. Pick >> "Install". When it comes to the partition part of the install use the >> manual and set up how you want it done. Let it finish installation. >> DONE!!!! [ OH YEAH, you have to tell it where you want Grub installed. ] >> > So where do I install it please? > >> I KNOW your going to get other advice about using gparted, or something, >> to partition the disk before you start and all that stuff but I find >> that the installer partitioner [ probably gparted ] does just fine. >> >> During the Grub installation process it looks at ALL your hard drives >> and sets everything up for you. No sweat! >> > When I did the aforementioned Kubuntu install (when Mandriva was already > installed) it went very well. What I did then was use the Mandriva > partion program first to reduce the size of the main partition for > Mandriva which left a chunk of HD 'empty'. > > When I then installed Edgy one of the choices was 'Use any empty space > on the hard disk' for the new install. I did this and Edgy was installed > into the empty part of the HD. When I rebooted at the end I found that > the dual boot system was already set up for me, with Edgy as the first > choice. Easy. > > I am happy to set up Hardy as a completely separate distro on the HD. I > am not expecting to anything from my current Gutsy set up to be > included. Then I can look at Hardy and use it to see if it should become > my main distro. > > Thanks for any help > > Neil > you can do a similar install for hardy then. in gutsy, use a paritioner like gparted and qtparted, and free some space for hardy, the option to use an empty space in the installer is still there. and hardy will automagically configure the dual boot for you. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's it. it works. Wonderfull. Thanks Alan and Ignazio. In Kubuntu HH 8.04 there was no need to alter the xorg.conf. that as done by the manual Guest Additions installation. Shouldn't this be reported as a bug?? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:29:53 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:29:53 +0200 Subject: Italian interface lost in Firefox Message-ID: <200810161929.53413.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi all, after an update (I don't remember which, but for sure something related with language pack for Kubuntu) I've lost, again, the Italian interface for Firefox 3.0.3, in Kubuntu 8.04. It's not a problem for me, but my wife do have. Does anybody know where to find the right one? PS: in the add-ons dialog, tab languages, the the program says the language pack "firefox (it) 3.0" is not compatible with FF 3.0.3 TIA and regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:38:52 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:38:52 +0200 Subject: Italian interface lost in Firefox - solved Message-ID: <200810161938.52945.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi all, Sorry, I've found the language pack... Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From juankawada at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:53:58 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:53:58 -0600 Subject: stuck at login screen kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: My friend's dell inspiron laptop is stuck at the logon screen. He did a dist-upgrade through adept, and has not been able to logon since then. After you type n the password, the screen blinks some, and then returns to the logon screen. I tried a console logon and startx but it produced the same result. Any ideas? I saw some others with this bug but no solution so far. -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw some others with this bug but no solution so far. >> >> -- >> --------------- >> Registered Linux user #475220 >> register at http://counter.li.org/ >> > > > > -- > --------------- > Registered Linux user #475220 > register at http://counter.li.org/ > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 18:36:26 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:36:26 +0000 Subject: Dual boot Gutsy and Hardy Message-ID: <101620081836.3913.48F789AA000ACCF100000F492200762194CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bruce Marshall > On Thursday 16 October 2008, Neil Winchurst wrote: > > I have Googled for dual booting but everyone seems to assume that you > > want to have Linux and Windows. Not so. > > > > Can anyone start me off please? Will this be a simple task using the > > alternate CD? > > Make a new partition for root (/) and boot (/boot) I will assume you have > a partition all by itself for /home but if not, also define a new > partition for /home > > Install the system and use the 'manual' definition of partitions. Assign > your new partitions to / and /boot and /home (new or old) > > Tell it to format (if needed) the new / and /boot and if /home is new, > format that too. > > Install the new system. > > It will now boot to the new system. You will have to edit > the /boot/grub/menu.lst to include the entries for the old system. When > that is done, you can boot the old or new system. > > When I am doing the manual set up of partitions, I also assigned the old > partitions in the system to make life easy. Such as: > > /bootgutsy > /gutsy > > Thus, when hardy is booted, you will have access to the /bootgutsy and /gutsy > partitions for copying files. > > If you made a new /home, you will have to copy the files from gutsy over to > your new /home partition. > I would not recommend sharing a /home partition unless you have diffeerent users for each version. Aside from the potential for conflicting user permissions you may also have conflicting application configuration issues. In the past, I've installed different distros/versions into different primary partitions and used /boot from the first primary. Make sure you know how to manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or install kgrubeditor Paul From jdz99 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 18:39:32 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:39:32 +0000 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48F677D3.8080009@ajinfosearch.com> References: <48F64054.9050000@yahoo.it> <200810152132.51427.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48F652E5.80506@lemmons.name> <48F677D3.8080009@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: How can I edit this file with Kate? When I try to navigate to the file it stops my at the /etc/X11 directory. If I can't login as "root" how can I switch from "sa" to "root" within the GUI? Thanks, Jim > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:08:03 -0400 > From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: 800x600 in Kubuntu > > Jim Douglas wrote: > > The additions were installed....I also updated Kubuntu. > > > > Still, after re-start of Kubuntu, my only display options are > > > > Disabled > > 800x600 (Auto) > > 640x480 > > > For some reason vbox doesn't use it's own driver in 8.10 as a guest. You just > have to add one line with "vboxvideo" as the driver to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf > file so it looks like this: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > Driver "vboxvideo" > EndSection > > I had the same problem and it works just like it should now. Restart kdm and > then you just have to resize the window and the display automatically fills it. > > Alan > > > -- > "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated > concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in > life and actually grok it." > - > author unknown > Things I grok: 0 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go—take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <521733.34724.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F76521.30305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1326869.lTAT3CjvQm@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On 10/15/2008 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> I would rather prefer to see the w3c compliant logo on a web site, which >> means that any w3c compliant application can render the page. >> >> > I would rather spend my winters in the tropics, too. However, my > employer has invested millions in this software (without obtaining my > permission, if you can believe that!) and I will either find a way to > use it or get another job (perhaps in the aforementioned tropics). They have hurricanes in the tropics, and all sorts of odd insect-borne diseases. -- derek From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:05:39 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:05:39 -0400 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <1326869.lTAT3CjvQm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <521733.34724.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F76521.30305@gmail.com> <1326869.lTAT3CjvQm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810161505.39805.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 16 October 2008 2:40:15 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On 10/15/2008 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> I would rather prefer to see the w3c compliant logo on a web site, which > >> means that any w3c compliant application can render the page. > >> > >>   > > > > I would rather spend my winters in the tropics, too.  However, my > > employer has invested millions in this software (without obtaining my > > permission, if you can believe that!) and I will either find a way to > > use it or get another job (perhaps in the aforementioned tropics). > > They have hurricanes in the tropics, and all sorts of odd insect-borne > diseases. 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For me it looks like X or KDM crashes for some reason. / Jonas From kassube at gmx.net Thu Oct 16 19:08:43 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:08:43 +0200 Subject: 800x600 in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810162052.47051.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810162052.47051.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810162108.43748.kassube@gmx.net> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 16 October 2008 20:39:32 schreef Jim Douglas: > > How can I edit this file with Kate?  When I try to navigate to the > > file it stops my at the /etc/X11 directory. > > > > If I can't login as "root" how can I switch from "sa" to "root" > > within the GUI? > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > use joe in terminal, kate is gui driven! Although I use joe myself, I wouldn't suggest it for others. The key bindings are not necessarily obvious. A better editor for the command line is nano. It shows the key bindings and it is included with the standard Kubuntu. OTOH, the GUI solution to edit a file as root would be "kdesu kate". Nils From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:17:39 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:17:39 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2 and Hardy Message-ID: Hi Any tried Amarok 2 in Hardy? I added the repro according to http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 But it crashing all the time. I get this error in the console. X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty) Resource id: 0xc0000c amarok: [ERROR!] GREPME MySQLe query failed! Table 'amarok.tags' doesn't exist on "SELECT s.deviceid,s.url FROM statistics AS s LEFT JOIN tags AS t ON s.deviceid = t.deviceid AND s.url = t.url WHERE t.url IS NULL AND s.deviceid != -2;" amarok: [MountPointManager] Trying to update 0 statistics rows amarok: [ERROR!] GREPME MySQLe query failed! Table 'amarok.tags_labels' doesn't exist on "SELECT l.deviceid,l.url FROM tags_labels AS l LEFT JOIN tags as t ON l.deviceid = t.deviceid AND l.url = t.url WHERE t.url IS NULL;" then it crash. ASSERT failure in QList::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 401 QSocketNotifier: Invalid socket 8 and type 'Read', disabling... amarok: Fatal IO error: client killed / Jonas From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:28:38 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:28:38 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2 and Hardy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810161528.43804.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 16 October 2008 3:17:39 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > Any tried Amarok 2 in Hardy? I added the repro according to > http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 > But it crashing all the time. I get this error in the console. Same here. It actually worked better several months ago at a time when most of the features didn't work, but it didn't crash on those that did. But I figure that's the way it is with nightly builds. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 20:07:34 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:07:34 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2 and Hardy In-Reply-To: <200810161528.43804.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <200810161528.43804.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/16 Art Alexion : > On Thursday 16 October 2008 3:17:39 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: >> Any tried Amarok 2 in Hardy? I added the repro according to >> http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 >> But it crashing all the time. I get this error in the console. > > Same here. It actually worked better several months ago at a time when most > of the features didn't work, but it didn't crash on those that did. But I > figure that's the way it is with nightly builds. > As far i understand this is not a nightly build but a beta release and at least it should be able to start. I hope there will be a new package that fixes this so we don't have to wait for the next beta release. Really looking forward to test Amarok 2. / Jonas From juankawada at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 21:02:54 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:02:54 -0600 Subject: stuck at login screen kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: nothing seems out of order when I try dmsg. no errors, and everything it tried to initialize is initialized. How do I view those files? I tried using kate to open them, but obviously that didn't work while x was down (and it told me so) xauth: error in locking authority file /home/eddie/.Xauthority Is another message I got while trying to start x On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/16 Juan Kawada : > > Also, heres some new information. when trying to start xorg from the > console > > I got a message saying "saw signal 11. server aborting. connection to x > > server is lost" > > > > Check the log files /var/log/Xorg.0.log /varlog/messages > ~/.xsession-errors and the output of dmesg for any clues. > For me it looks like X or KDM crashes for some reason. > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried using kate to open them, but obviously > that didn't work while x was down (and it told me so) > > xauth: error in locking authority file /home/eddie/.Xauthority > > Is another message I got while trying to start x > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jonas Norlander > wrote: >> >> 2008/10/16 Juan Kawada : >> > Also, heres some new information. when trying to start xorg from the >> > console >> > I got a message saying "saw signal 11. server aborting. connection to x >> > server is lost" >> > >> >> Check the log files /var/log/Xorg.0.log /varlog/messages >> ~/.xsession-errors and the output of dmesg for any clues. >> For me it looks like X or KDM crashes for some reason. >> >> / Jonas >> in the login screen there is a session button where you can choose failsafe, try that and see if it logs you in. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From lucafbb at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 21:30:32 2008 From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:30:32 +0200 Subject: USB HDD and Kubuntu Message-ID: <27308d500810161430t7448fa61ga3d5d6fa1b45593d@mail.gmail.com> Hi all. I've a little problem with my Kubuntu. Every time I turn on the laptop and a USB external hard drive is connected the GUI asked me to open the disk content. One of the last time I did it I also check the command that say "always do this for this media". The problem now is that very ofter the USD device isn't loaded at all, and the only way to reconnect it is to turn off and on the disk itself. Also (not so ofter) when I begin to access the disk I get disconnected by Dolphin. Question: I can clear my choice of always open the disk and returning to reply to the question every time?!? -- -- luca From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 23:07:14 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:07:14 -0500 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: <200810151928.30126.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810151910.01053.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200810151928.30126.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > John, > > I don't know if you have seen Alberto Milone's pages (author of EnvyNG): > > http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html > > They may contain something helpful. > > Glenn > > On Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:15:40 John Pierce wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Glenn R Williams > wrote: >> > Just a heads up: I had some problems until I uninstalled the restricted >> > nvidia stuff and then installed via EnvyNG >> >> Okay, I just installed the EnvyNG and let it install the kernel >> automatically and upon reboot it complained >> that there were multiple version of the module. And no runlevel 5, >> kdm just kept restarting. >> >> I am going to run the program again and let it uninstall and then >> restart with the vesa driver and then start again. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> John >> Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at >> http://counter.li.org > > -- > Glenn R Williams > ------------------------- > Millet hayatı tehlikeye maruz kalmayınca, savaş cinayettir > -- M. Kemal Atatürk > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Glenn, I got the xserver running again with acceleration and everything seems to be working fine. One question though, when a new kernel comes out will the system automatically build the new module or do I have to do it manually? Thanks -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 23:37:37 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:37:37 -0400 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: References: <200810151928.30126.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810161937.37224.gloonie@earthlink.net> Not sure. During the last update I installed afterwards via EnvyNG. I don't know what would have happened otherwise.... Glenn On Thursday 16 October 2008 19:07:14 John Pierce wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > John, > > > > I don't know if you have seen Alberto Milone's pages (author of EnvyNG): > > > > http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html > > > > They may contain something helpful. > > > > Glenn > > > > On Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:15:40 John Pierce wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Glenn R Williams > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > Just a heads up: I had some problems until I uninstalled the > >> > restricted nvidia stuff and then installed via EnvyNG > >> > >> Okay, I just installed the EnvyNG and let it install the kernel > >> automatically and upon reboot it complained > >> that there were multiple version of the module. And no runlevel 5, > >> kdm just kept restarting. > >> > >> I am going to run the program again and let it uninstall and then > >> restart with the vesa driver and then start again. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> -- > >> John > >> Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > >> http://counter.li.org > > > > -- > > Glenn R Williams > > ------------------------- > > Millet hayatı tehlikeye maruz kalmayınca, savaş cinayettir > > -- M. Kemal Atatürk > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Glenn, I got the xserver running again with acceleration and > everything seems to be working fine. > > One question though, when a new kernel comes out will the system > automatically build the new module or > do I have to do it manually? > > Thanks > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal From juankawada at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 00:48:06 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:48:06 -0600 Subject: stuck at login screen kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810161415k78778468hbac69b7520101c7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40810161415k78778468hbac69b7520101c7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: nope, same exact thing. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/10/17 Juan Kawada : > > nothing seems out of order when I try dmsg. no errors, and everything it > > tried to initialize is initialized. > > How do I view those files? I tried using kate to open them, but obviously > > that didn't work while x was down (and it told me so) > > > > xauth: error in locking authority file /home/eddie/.Xauthority > > > > Is another message I got while trying to start x > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jonas Norlander > > wrote: > >> > >> 2008/10/16 Juan Kawada : > >> > Also, heres some new information. when trying to start xorg from the > >> > console > >> > I got a message saying "saw signal 11. server aborting. connection to > x > >> > server is lost" > >> > > >> > >> Check the log files /var/log/Xorg.0.log /varlog/messages > >> ~/.xsession-errors and the output of dmesg for any clues. > >> For me it looks like X or KDM crashes for some reason. > >> > >> / Jonas > >> > > in the login screen there is a session button where you can choose > failsafe, try that and see if it logs you in. > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 05:23:02 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:23:02 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> My machine runs all kinds of Python/Ruby and other 'scripting' code. It's >> not slow. The slow-down you are experiencing will be something you'll find >> eventually and I bet it will be unrelated to python et al. >> >> \d > > Ok mr. python advocate Although I was going on about the size and lack of speed of python code VS C, I still write 99% of my code with Python these days. It is a wonderful language and the older computers now are struggling with it but give it 5 years and may code will run on anything! I LOVE Panda 3d!!! Check out this program. I has a 3d animated panda walking around a patch of rocks and bamboo with the camera soaring around filming it. Lets so you code that in assembly! LOL. Not only is the program short but non programmers can ALMOST read it. http://panda3d.org/wiki/index.php/Using_Intervals_to_move_the_Panda I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the reason it is not even in the repos now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kassube at gmx.net Fri Oct 17 04:53:00 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:53:00 +0200 Subject: stuck at login screen kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810170653.00635.kassube@gmx.net> Juan Kawada wrote: > nothing seems out of order when I try dmsg. no errors, and everything > it tried to initialize is initialized. > How do I view those files? I tried using kate to open them, but > obviously that didn't work while x was down (and it told me so) You can use a command line editor like "nano" or you can view the contents of the files with the commands "cat" (displays the entire file on the screen) or "less" (here you can navigate within the file using the arrow keys, quit with "q"). > xauth: error in locking authority file /home/eddie/.Xauthority > > Is another message I got while trying to start x Could it be that your "/home/eddie/.Xauthority" is owned by root? Try the command "ls -l /home/eddie/.Xauthority" to see permissions. Mine looks like this: -rw------- 1 nils nils 1053 Oct 17 06:42 /home/nils/.Xauthority If it is owned by root, you can use this command: sudo chown eddie /home/eddie/.Xauthority Nils From sundar.personal at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 05:59:59 2008 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:59:59 -0700 Subject: stuck at login screen kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Juan Kawada wrote: > sorry, I meant 8.10 > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Juan Kawada > wrote: > > My friend's dell inspiron laptop is stuck at the logon screen. He > did a dist-upgrade through adept, and has not been able to logon > since then. After you type n the password, the screen blinks some, > and then returns to the logon screen. > I tried a console logon and startx but it produced the same result. > Any ideas? I saw some others with this bug but no solution so far. > From the fact that a similar effect is seen on the console, it seems to look like login itself is failing . Maybe some problem with the dist-upgrade left a key library unusable - like libc or in some other way is preventing login authentication from happening. I can't think of a solution, but perhaps someone else can suggest ways to fix a failed libc upgrade or a failed PAM upgrade? From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 07:10:30 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:10:30 -0700 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <200810151422.05032.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <389698.36121.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: [edit] [thorny}>> Well Emanoil, you just recently mentioned in another thread that you >> didn't want to discuss that issue any further. It's not going to make >> you any friends in this community if you lurk waiting for some >> opportunity to interject the same stuff every chance you get. I imagine >> there are some who have already plonked you and thus don't see your >> posts, and though I haven't done that I really don't want to see the >> same "policy" argument brought up too many more times when it has all >> been said. > [Emanoil]> Yes you right. It's much much better than debian sid. But the apps are > not stable enough. I still don't know for sure if  I'm satisfied. For > me something is working when it's working 95-98% of the time and for few > things it should be 101% (like kernel and disk stuff) > > May be I want to discuss even if people "plonk" me - I'm still not > 100%sure - am I kubuntu software :-). There will be someone who reads > the stuff and even if not, I still like to write it down. > > Sure, but my point was that that discussion has already been done and people expressed their differing opinions and do not agree. You said you didn't want to discuss it further, yet you continue to bring it up in threads that are not about it and it is just your same opinion, that seems like you are trying to be difficult rather than respectful of others opinions. I think we all agree that we'd like to see Kubuntu better, not everyone agrees on the definition of better or how to achieve that. I also know that the point was made to you that this is a users list, a developers list would probably be a better place for you to try and influence decision making in the way you want. [thorny]>> Sure, Kubuntu is *based* on Debian Sid (unstable) but Kubuntu is not >> Debian unstable, developers have worked to make it much easier to use >> than Sid and I think they are very successful. Do you think that "pure" >> user you mention would have a good user experience if they tried to >> install and run Sid? Does everything about Kubuntu work flawlessly for >> people who don't know what they are doing, no, not *everything*. Would >> Debian have > [Emanoil]> That's what I'm saying. kubuntu targets people with less experience. > Instead of fixing kde 4.X bugs it might be better to give the users a > more stable kubuntu and working system. Debian is not targeting those > people, so when you go to debian you know what to expect from them. When > you go to kubuntu you are told a great linux distro, also for people > without linux knowledge - and those people fell on their nose. > > No Emanoil, only *some* people fell on their nose. There are lots and lots of people for whom Kubuntu has, and is, working very well, right out of the box, exactly the target audience. Here in user groups we mostly see the people with problems, that's why many come here. We don't see or hear the people for whom the system works correctly and they can easily figure things out, they don't need us. You must realise I know Debian, Emanoil, surely you can see from my header that I've sent this from a Debian box. One of the whines over in Debian forums is that with stable all the software is too old, lots of people complain about why doesn't Debian have newer features. So, you see, the argument is just the opposite. You personally don't want the newest cutting edge features and yet there is a user base that is constantly asking for the newest feature, right now. There is no way to make everyone happy. Just for the record, my opinion is very close to yours in this matter, but I know the other opinion is out there and I understand. [thorny]>> worked with the specific wlan card that Lisi has, not necessarily. What >> if it is a broadcom chip, would it have worked on Debian stable >> (currently Etch) out-of-the-box, no because of the non-free drivers and >> I haven't even mentioned old version vs. new version. And, just because >> your wlan card worked, one can't assume all would or even *should* work >> without user intervention. > [Emanoil]> Of course not, but as you see an average kubuntu user can not manage it > and even I had troubles with the networking stuff, but fixed it quickly. > > As above, I don't think we see the "average" user here. As a matter of fact, in my opinion, the Kubuntu Forums is populated with people who might be described by your "average user"(what you previously called "pure"). *This list*, also in my opinion, is populated by above average users, lots of the people here have some experience and almost all have a desire and willingness to learn. But, of course, not all. But network cards cause some problems for some users in any distro, yet many average users boot up and surf the Net with no trouble. [thorny]>> BTW, when you "fixed" the K/ubuntu installs by removing sudo, many >> people would characterise that as *breaking* the system. Not everyone >> shares the same opinions and GNU/Linux gives us a lot of opportunity to >> choose and the freedom to do so. You don't need to tell us you know >> what you are saying, we realise that is your opinion. > [Emanoil]> I removed them as users from the sudoers file and did not remove sudo as > a hole. I put myself there, so the next time they have troubles and > forget their root password I'm able to help them. At the other hand > without sudo they can not break anything and it's proven to work. If I > have to visit one of them every day, I wouldn't have time to spent an > evening at home. So they write down when what has happened and > occasionally I fix the most of it at once - once or twice a year. > > Yes, I do not require a tutorial on sudo, I understand the implications. This is another one of those "discussions" that has been going on since Ubuntu first released. And it is another discussion, that has strong feelings at both ends of the spectrum which doesn't need to be discussed again here. My personal choice, on a Debian Box I would never give a user ALL ALL, but I can happily use sudo on my Kubuntu workstation. I understand what you have done, and the reason for it, but it does take freedom away from those users of yours. Not everyone has the luxury of a technician to come by their house and fix things for them, Kubuntu has found a way to make it possible for people switching from Windows to have a similar enough experience that they can get things done even before they learn all the differences in a GNU/Linux system. [Emanoil]> Still my wish is to have a stable k/ubuntu system working for pure users > and the discussins proves that many do think so. I don't care if it's > based on unstable or experimental, but if kubuntu aims to target pure > users more has to be done I think almost all of us want that and I also know, from following that discussion, that almost everyone agrees more has to be done. What purpose will be served by continuing to say it here, why not take it to someone who has the power to make changes? From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 07:24:19 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:24:19 +0200 Subject: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy References: <200810151422.05032.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <389698.36121.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thorny wrote: > [edit] > [thorny}>> Well Emanoil, you just recently mentioned in another thread > that you >>> didn't want to discuss that issue any further. It's not going to make >>> you any friends in this community if you lurk waiting for some >>> opportunity to interject the same stuff every chance you get. I imagine >>> there are some who have already plonked you and thus don't see your >>> posts, and though I haven't done that I really don't want to see the >>> same "policy" argument brought up too many more times when it has all >>> been said. >> > [Emanoil]> Yes you right. It's much much better than debian sid. But the > apps are >> not stable enough. I still don't know for sure if  I'm satisfied. For >> me something is working when it's working 95-98% of the time and for few >> things it should be 101% (like kernel and disk stuff) >> >> May be I want to discuss even if people "plonk" me - I'm still not >> 100%sure - am I kubuntu software :-). There will be someone who reads >> the stuff and even if not, I still like to write it down. >> >> > Sure, but my point was that that discussion has already been done and > people expressed their differing opinions and do not agree. You said you > didn't want to discuss it further, yet you continue to bring it up in > threads that are not about it and it is just your same opinion, that seems > like you are trying to be difficult rather than respectful of others > opinions. I think we all agree that we'd like to see Kubuntu better, not > everyone agrees on the definition of better or how to achieve that. I also > know that the point was made to you that this is a users list, a > developers list would probably be a better place for you to try and > influence decision making in the way you want. > > > [thorny]>> Sure, Kubuntu is *based* on Debian Sid (unstable) but Kubuntu > is not >>> Debian unstable, developers have worked to make it much easier to use >>> than Sid and I think they are very successful. Do you think that "pure" >>> user you mention would have a good user experience if they tried to >>> install and run Sid? Does everything about Kubuntu work flawlessly for >>> people who don't know what they are doing, no, not *everything*. Would >>> Debian have >> > [Emanoil]> That's what I'm saying. kubuntu targets people with less > experience. >> Instead of fixing kde 4.X bugs it might be better to give the users a >> more stable kubuntu and working system. Debian is not targeting those >> people, so when you go to debian you know what to expect from them. When >> you go to kubuntu you are told a great linux distro, also for people >> without linux knowledge - and those people fell on their nose. >> >> > No Emanoil, only *some* people fell on their nose. There are lots and lots > of people for whom Kubuntu has, and is, working very well, right out of > the box, exactly the target audience. Here in user groups we mostly > see the people with problems, that's why many come here. We don't see or > hear the people for whom the system works correctly and they can easily > figure things out, they don't need us. You must realise I know Debian, > Emanoil, surely you can see from my header that I've sent this from a > Debian box. One of the whines over in Debian forums is that with stable > all the software is too old, lots of people complain about why doesn't > Debian have newer features. So, you see, the argument is just the > opposite. You personally don't want the newest cutting edge features and > yet there is a user base that is constantly asking for the newest feature, > right now. There is no way to make everyone happy. Just for the record, my > opinion is very close to yours in this matter, but I know the other > opinion is out there and I understand. > > > [thorny]>> worked with the specific wlan card that Lisi has, not > necessarily. What >>> if it is a broadcom chip, would it have worked on Debian stable >>> (currently Etch) out-of-the-box, no because of the non-free drivers and >>> I haven't even mentioned old version vs. new version. And, just because >>> your wlan card worked, one can't assume all would or even *should* work >>> without user intervention. >> > [Emanoil]> Of course not, but as you see an average kubuntu user can not > manage it >> and even I had troubles with the networking stuff, but fixed it quickly. >> >> > As above, I don't think we see the "average" user here. As a matter of > fact, in my opinion, the Kubuntu Forums is populated with people who might > be described by your "average user"(what you previously called "pure"). > *This list*, also in my opinion, is populated by above average users, lots > of the people here have some experience and almost all have a desire and > willingness to learn. But, of course, not all. > > But network cards cause some problems for some users in any distro, yet > many average users boot up and surf the Net with no trouble. > > > [thorny]>> BTW, when you "fixed" the K/ubuntu installs by removing sudo, > many >>> people would characterise that as *breaking* the system. Not everyone >>> shares the same opinions and GNU/Linux gives us a lot of opportunity to >>> choose and the freedom to do so. You don't need to tell us you know >>> what you are saying, we realise that is your opinion. >> > [Emanoil]> I removed them as users from the sudoers file and did not > remove sudo as >> a hole. I put myself there, so the next time they have troubles and >> forget their root password I'm able to help them. At the other hand >> without sudo they can not break anything and it's proven to work. If I >> have to visit one of them every day, I wouldn't have time to spent an >> evening at home. So they write down when what has happened and >> occasionally I fix the most of it at once - once or twice a year. >> >> > Yes, I do not require a tutorial on sudo, I understand the implications. > This is another one of those "discussions" that has been going on since > Ubuntu first released. And it is another discussion, that has strong > feelings at both ends of the spectrum which doesn't need to be discussed > again here. My personal choice, on a Debian Box I would never give a user > ALL ALL, but I can happily use sudo on my Kubuntu workstation. I > understand what you have done, and the reason for it, but it does take > freedom away from those users of yours. Not everyone has the luxury of a > technician to come by their house and fix things for them, Kubuntu has > found a way to make it possible for people switching from Windows to have > a similar enough experience that they can get things done even before they > learn all the differences in a GNU/Linux system. > > [Emanoil]> Still my wish is to have a stable k/ubuntu system working for > pure users >> and the discussins proves that many do think so. I don't care if it's >> based on unstable or experimental, but if kubuntu aims to target pure >> users more has to be done > > I think almost all of us want that and I also know, from following that > discussion, that almost everyone agrees more has to be done. What purpose > will be served by continuing to say it here, why not take it to someone > who has the power to make changes? > > I have to agree with all you say. Just to mention some of them got sudo to some services. But in general I can not argue with you, because your argumentation is correct. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 07:34:48 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:34:48 +0200 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Knapp wrote: >>> My machine runs all kinds of Python/Ruby and other 'scripting' code. >>> It's not slow. The slow-down you are experiencing will be something >>> you'll find eventually and I bet it will be unrelated to python et al. >>> >>> \d >> >> Ok mr. python advocate > > Although I was going on about the size and lack of speed of python > code VS C, I still write 99% of my code with Python these days. It is > a wonderful language and the older computers now are struggling with > it but give it 5 years and may code will run on anything! I LOVE Panda > 3d!!! > > Check out this program. I has a 3d animated panda walking around a > patch of rocks and bamboo with the camera soaring around filming it. > Lets so you code that in assembly! LOL. Not only is the program short > but non programmers can ALMOST read it. > http://panda3d.org/wiki/index.php/Using_Intervals_to_move_the_Panda > > I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as > part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop > to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there > would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the > license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the > reason it is not even in the repos now. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer > > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page Hello, Nice to know more. I'm pretty familiar with what and how python is. I just wanted to say that many mostly new and young programmers do not have the understanding of what has been done on memory or cpu level. It seems you do which helps you I guess also write a good code in python too. As I'm doing mostly linguistic stuff (text manipulation) I prefer programming in perl. I also learned perl when python was only in the imagination of some people, but when it comes to speed and size I have to code c or c++. I agree that python has many advantages and the coding is made nice and easy. The last company where I've been working did serious programming in python and turned it into C code, so this is another advantage of python. What I wanted to say - making it easy, compared with not understanding completely well what you are doing leads to causing only troubles. regards From sundar.personal at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 07:54:37 2008 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:54:37 -0700 Subject: stuck at login screen kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sundar Nagarajan wrote: > Juan Kawada wrote: >> sorry, I meant 8.10 >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Juan Kawada > > wrote: >> >> My friend's dell inspiron laptop is stuck at the logon screen. He >> did a dist-upgrade through adept, and has not been able to logon >> since then. After you type n the password, the screen blinks some, >> and then returns to the logon screen. >> I tried a console logon and startx but it produced the same result. >> Any ideas? I saw some others with this bug but no solution so far. >> > > From the fact that a similar effect is seen on the console, it seems to > look like login itself is failing . Maybe some problem with the > dist-upgrade left a key library unusable - like libc or in some other > way is preventing login authentication from happening. > > I can't think of a solution, but perhaps someone else can suggest ways > to fix a failed libc upgrade or a failed PAM upgrade? > > Looks like I misread the original post, and it does _not_ say that the console login is failing. Don't know if you tried this - by pressing CTRL-ALT-F1. If you can get in that way, it's probably a KDM / X misconfiguration, and you should look at /var/log/Xorg0.log From brb.lists at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 13:05:10 2008 From: brb.lists at gmail.com (Brian Blater) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:05:10 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2 and Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200810161528.43804.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7743536a0810170605v3e6faa8dhaf75b0c9f82bbbd4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/16 Art Alexion : >> On Thursday 16 October 2008 3:17:39 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: >>> Any tried Amarok 2 in Hardy? I added the repro according to >>> http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 >>> But it crashing all the time. I get this error in the console. >> >> Same here. It actually worked better several months ago at a time when most >> of the features didn't work, but it didn't crash on those that did. But I >> figure that's the way it is with nightly builds. >> > > As far i understand this is not a nightly build but a beta release and > at least it should be able to start. I hope there will be a new > package that fixes this so we don't have to wait for the next beta > release. > Really looking forward to test Amarok 2. > > / Jonas I just installed this yesterday on my T42 Ubuntu 8.04 running both Gnome and the KDE4 windows managers. I added the same repo as you and added the amarok-kde4 app and its dependencies. Install went fine and I'm able to load Amarok2 without any errors. Haven't added my music collection yet, so I don't know if that will cause any problems. I'm just beginning to test right now. So far I like what I've seen. Brian From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 17 14:07:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:07:57 -0300 Subject: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <200810161237.17642.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3650530.kyPLjxLe3K@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as > part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop > to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there > would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the > license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the > reason it is not even in the repos now. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy at estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the project! -- derek From john.j35 at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 16:09:06 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:09:06 -0400 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: <200810161937.37224.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810151928.30126.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200810161937.37224.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Okay Glenn, for your information and that of list members I am going to post what I found out this am. I did a fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 on a new 160 GB drive in my sons computer. I had the 24-19 series kernel installed fresh, I then installed the envyng package and allowed it to install the nvidia packages. I then ran the adept-updater and allowed it to upgrade all packages. Upon rebooting it took about 2 minutes longer than expected and kdm kept respawning, after that wait the nvidia logo splashed and kdm finally started with full acceleration. So, it would appear to rebuild the module as needed on a kernel update. Hope this helps some in the future. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From gloonie at earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 16:12:39 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:12:39 -0400 Subject: nvidia-glx-new-envy In-Reply-To: References: <200810161937.37224.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810171212.40114.gloonie@earthlink.net> Thanks for the summary, John. Should help people in the future! Glenn On Friday 17 October 2008 12:09:06 John Pierce wrote: > Okay Glenn, for your information and that of list members I am going > to post what I found out this am. > > I did a fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 on a new 160 GB drive in my sons > computer. > > I had the 24-19 series kernel installed fresh, I then installed the > envyng package and allowed it to install > the nvidia packages. I then ran the adept-updater and allowed it to > upgrade all packages. Upon rebooting it > took about 2 minutes longer than expected and kdm kept respawning, > after that wait the nvidia logo splashed > and kdm finally started with full acceleration. > > So, it would appear to rebuild the module as needed on a kernel update. > > Hope this helps some in the future. > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image. -- Karl Marx From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Oct 17 17:38:23 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:38:23 +0100 Subject: Drive errors Message-ID: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 drive which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is when a program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the drive had been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck on the drive which fixed a few problems. Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527263] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527511] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527515] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527801] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867602] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867772] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867774] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.868201] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372131] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372152] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372154] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372167] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.713302] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718375] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718378] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.720974] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725613] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725785] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725788] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.731356] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591394] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591479] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591481] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.600211] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.607422] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610114] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610117] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.619424] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 17:55:35 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:55:35 +0200 Subject: Drive errors References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: Mark Fraser wrote: > On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 drive > which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is when a > program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the drive had > been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck on the drive > which fixed a few problems. > > Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: > > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527263] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527511] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527515] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527801] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867602] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867772] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867774] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.868201] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372131] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372152] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372154] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372167] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.713302] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718375] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718378] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.720974] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725613] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725785] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725788] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.731356] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591394] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591479] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591481] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.600211] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.607422] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610114] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610117] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode > Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.619424] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write > cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > > To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? > You can check the drive from a k/ubuntu live cd with the badblocks program apply the -v option if you like to see more output but in general /sbin/badblocks /dev/sdX is enough where X is the drive letter if there are bad sectors you'll be informed. it's a good idea to mount read only and backup data as soon as posible if you are afraid your drive is "sick" badblocks should be run as root (sudo) regards From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 17 17:58:37 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:58:37 -0400 Subject: Drive errors In-Reply-To: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <48F8D24D.8030708@sbcglobal.net> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 drive > which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is when a > program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the drive had > been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck on the drive > which fixed a few problems. > > Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: > > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527263] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527511] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527515] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527801] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867602] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867772] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867774] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.868201] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372131] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372152] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372154] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372167] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.713302] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718375] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718378] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.720974] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725613] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725785] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725788] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.731356] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591394] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591479] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591481] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.600211] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.607422] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 > 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610114] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect > is off > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610117] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: > 00 3a 00 00 > Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.619424] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: > enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > > To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? > > Heres a article on how to see if your hard drive is on it's way out. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: smart-ctrl.txt URL: From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 17 18:03:30 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:03:30 -0400 Subject: Drive errors In-Reply-To: References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <48F8D372.1090303@sbcglobal.net> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > >> On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 drive >> which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is when a >> program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the drive had >> been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck on the drive >> which fixed a few problems. >> >> Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: >> >> Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527263] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527511] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527515] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:29:39 Rachael kernel: [16621.527801] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867602] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867772] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.867774] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:30:58 Rachael kernel: [16679.868201] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372131] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372152] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372154] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:33:01 Rachael kernel: [16770.372167] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.713302] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718375] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.718378] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.720974] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725613] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725785] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.725788] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:35:23 Rachael kernel: [16838.731356] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591394] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591479] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.591481] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.600211] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.607422] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 >> 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610114] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.610117] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode >> Sense: 00 3a 00 00 >> Oct 17 18:36:25 Rachael kernel: [16866.619424] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA >> >> To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? >> >> > > You can check the drive from a k/ubuntu live cd with the badblocks program > > apply the -v option if you like to see more output but in > general /sbin/badblocks /dev/sdX is enough where X is the drive letter > > if there are bad sectors you'll be informed. it's a good idea to mount read > only and backup data as soon as posible if you are afraid your drive > is "sick" > > badblocks should be run as root (sudo) > > regards > > > Check your drive out, read below -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: smart-ctrl.txt URL: From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Oct 17 19:39:59 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:39:59 +0100 Subject: Drive errors In-Reply-To: <48F8D24D.8030708@sbcglobal.net> References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <48F8D24D.8030708@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 17 October 2008 18:58:37 Jim wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 drive > > which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is when a > > program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the drive had > > been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck on the drive > > which fixed a few problems. > > > > Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: > > > > > > To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? > > Heres a article on how to see if your hard drive is on it's way out. > > Now, run a quick health check: > > # smartctl -H -d ata /dev/sda smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED > > This is good news. One more quick check — read the drive's error log: > > # smartctl -l error -d ata /dev/sda I have errors there, but nothing that's new. However, I did receive the following email from smartd this morning: The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon: Device: /dev/sda, Read SMART Self-Test Log Failed Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this morning and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was to copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 20:16:40 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:16:40 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >> reason it is not even in the repos now. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer > > Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy at > estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the > project! > -- > derek What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast switching. No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What would it look like to you? I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE or X. You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is something I am going to do anyway. The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not for ease of use to the average Newbie.) Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program from within Panda3d. BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. So do you REALLY want to try it? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From joelol75 at verizon.net Fri Oct 17 20:38:56 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:38:56 -0400 Subject: avi files In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810121008h2b4de80fy33a608a4bccf782f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810121246.59741.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810121158.24470.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810121008h2b4de80fy33a608a4bccf782f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F8F7E0.2000303@verizon.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Richard Ibbotson > wrote: > >> Peter >> >> >>> What makes .avi play under Kubuntu Linux HH 8.04? >>> Or do they have to me altered to another extension? >>> I have installed the medibuntu repo in my resources. >>> >> Just about anything. Xine, Gxine, VLC Mediaplayer, Mplayer. You can >> convert between formats with Kino. 'sudo apt-get install kino' at the >> command line or 'sudo apt-cache search xine-ui'. Or, 'sudo apt-cache >> show vlc'. Also, 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' >> might give you a sound driver that is not installed. >> >> See also 'sudo apt-cache search video' >> > > Keep in mind that avi is just a container which can store any of a > number of codecs. This is why some avi play better than others. > > > Yep, goto synaptic and search codec and install the good,bad, and ugly gstreamer codecs, the w32codec package and any other codecs you can find... VLC has all the codecs already installed (I think) so it's a one-stop-shop video player. Totem I believe uses the xine backend now. Some others use the gstreamer.... So to add to the confusion you need the same codecs over and over.... I think the ubuntu-restricted-extras package plants most of these and the libdvdcss2 and dvdread packages to watch commecial dvd's. Of course If you live in the draconian USA where nothing is free, doing anything I said is illegal and subject to... From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Fri Oct 17 21:10:38 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:10:38 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2 and Hardy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jonas, On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > Hi > > Any tried Amarok 2 in Hardy? I added the repro according to > http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2 > But it crashing all the time. I get this error in the console. > > X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 > Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty) > Resource id: 0xc0000c > amarok: [ERROR!] GREPME MySQLe query failed! Table 'amarok.tags' > doesn't exist on "SELECT s.deviceid,s.url FROM statistics AS s LEFT > JOIN tags AS t ON s.deviceid = t.deviceid AND s.url = t.url WHERE > t.url IS NULL AND s.deviceid != -2;" > amarok: [MountPointManager] Trying to update 0 statistics rows > amarok: [ERROR!] GREPME MySQLe query failed! Table > 'amarok.tags_labels' doesn't exist on "SELECT l.deviceid,l.url FROM > tags_labels AS l LEFT JOIN tags as t ON l.deviceid = t.deviceid AND > l.url = t.url WHERE t.url IS NULL;" > > then it crash. ... Did you install MySQL? From beta 1 to beta2 there has been a switch from SQLite to MySQL embedded, from your error message I guess you miss some MySQL files. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 21:16:44 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:16:44 +0200 Subject: Drive errors References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <48F8D24D.8030708@sbcglobal.net> <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: Mark Fraser wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2008 18:58:37 Jim wrote: >> Mark Fraser wrote: >> > On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 >> > drive which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is >> > when a program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the >> > drive had been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck >> > on the drive which fixed a few problems. >> > >> > Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: >> > >> > >> > To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? >> >> Heres a article on how to see if your hard drive is on it's way out. > >> >> Now, run a quick health check: >> >> # smartctl -H -d ata /dev/sda > > smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen > Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED > >> >> This is good news. One more quick check — read the drive's error log: >> >> # smartctl -l error -d ata /dev/sda > > I have errors there, but nothing that's new. However, I did receive the > following email from smartd this morning: > > The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon: > > Device: /dev/sda, Read SMART Self-Test Log Failed > > Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this > morning and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. > > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was to > copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? fsck checks the file system not the drive integrity use parted or fdisk I'm using fdisk usually. fdisk /dev/sdX then here is a short howto but better read man page or type h to see the help list after you've run fdisk p for print n for new h for help a for activate a boot partition w for write and quit so the 'a' command will make your partition bootable Of course manipulating the partition table will lead to all data to be lost Next you have to install the boot (lilo, grub or whatever) loader on this partition. Read the man page of the particular one to see how you can do it. usually using grub you do grub-install /dev/sdX etc. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 21:27:59 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:27:59 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >> >> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy >> at >> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the >> project! >> -- >> derek > > What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL > What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) > > So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating > balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a > full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for > movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the > mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast > switching. > > No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and > desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What > would it look like to you? > > I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run > software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need > something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing > about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer > hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE > or X. > > You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost > done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he > is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is > something I am going to do anyway. > > The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit > of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, > Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can > make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? > > I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving > using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in > feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with > body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not > for ease of use to the average Newbie.) > > Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program > from within Panda3d. > > BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years > ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming > and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. > > The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. > > So do you REALLY want to try it? > Hehe, good story. I remember few years ago some python programmers convinced me to try to learn it and indeed it's pretty handy language. So I was amazed how fast things get done. They were laughing at me using perl to get the job done. I've tried it and then I discovered the vpython module and programmed a 3d filebrowser in about few hours. Unfortunately after one cleanup it disappeared ;-( and I'm too lazy to search into the backups for it. Unfortunately since I'm using this stupid company dell notebook with intell graphic card and two monitors I forgot what 3d was. I can imagine that panda will not like my configuration - what do you think? regards From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Fri Oct 17 21:28:45 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:28:45 +0200 Subject: gtk2 apps not localized Message-ID: <200810172328.45250.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Strange issue here: most gtk2 apps here are in english tho the system setting is german. Some gtk apps are localized tho, mostly those using other toolkits like wxGTK, pygtk and so on (Sonata and amule are fine, GThumb and Gimp are not) Help? locale gives me this: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_TIME="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_NAME="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_ALL= -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From ender8282 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 05:13:01 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:13:01 -0700 Subject: Drive errors In-Reply-To: <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <48F8D24D.8030708@sbcglobal.net> <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <48F9705D.8000507@yahoo.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2008 18:58:37 Jim wrote: > >> Mark Fraser wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday this week I started to get some errors on my /dev/sda1 drive >>> which is mounted as '/'. The first I knew there was a problem is when a >>> program tried and failed to delete a file from /tmp because the drive had >>> been remounted as read only. I then shut down and did a fsck on the drive >>> which fixed a few problems. >>> >>> Now,however I'm getting thing like this in the logs: >>> >>> >>> To me this looks like the drive is about to fail, am I right? >>> >> Heres a article on how to see if your hard drive is on it's way out. >> > > >> Now, run a quick health check: >> >> # smartctl -H -d ata /dev/sda >> > > smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen > Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED > > >> This is good news. One more quick check — read the drive's error log: >> >> # smartctl -l error -d ata /dev/sda >> > > I have errors there, but nothing that's new. However, I did receive the > following email from smartd this morning: > > The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon: > > Device: /dev/sda, Read SMART Self-Test Log Failed > > Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this morning > and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. > > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was to copy > everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? > Someone mentioned to me the other day the ddrescue command. You might look into it. You can copy the entire drive onto a new drive. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 06:14:20 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:14:20 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hehe, good story. > > I remember few years ago some python programmers convinced me to try to > learn it and indeed it's pretty handy language. So I was amazed how fast > things get done. They were laughing at me using perl to get the job done. > I've tried it and then I discovered the vpython module and programmed a 3d > filebrowser in about few hours. > Unfortunately after one cleanup it disappeared ;-( and I'm too lazy to > search into the backups for it. > Unfortunately since I'm using this stupid company dell notebook with intell > graphic card and two monitors I forgot what 3d was. > > I can imagine that panda will not like my configuration - what do you think? > > regards Story?? I would say check out this page about installing and TESTING it. Not sure how fast your intel card is or your computer or how much memory you have. I would note that compiling your own is no longer needed as they have it on the site. You might also want to download samples, manual and art. Samples for sure because I don't think they come in the deb but I could be wrong. One other thing is that if you can't pull the speed you need with python Panda3d can be called from C. Prototype in Python and if needed production in C. Download http://panda3d.org/download.php Ubuntu help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45667&page=2 I started to learn Perl one time but got put off my RegX. :-) It does seem like a good text manipulation language but then so in Python. Really don't know which is best and for what. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 07:06:52 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:06:52 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1224313612.1374.93.camel@iam> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:46 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Paul Lemmons wrote: > > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade > > process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? Why the constant advice to > > backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and then > > trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a prayer that > > you did not miss anything? > > I always do fresh installs. > > 1) It cleans things up... > 2) You learn a lot. > 3) You get to find out what is new and don't miss some of the new options. > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. And need to install > fresh anyway. (this happened to me and is why I will never upgrade again) > 5) If you have a minor bug in the upgraded system, you will never know whether > it is a bug in the new release or some incompatibility in the upgrade. > 6) You learn a lot > 7) You get to go over your notes. (you *do* have notes don't you?) > 8) You can get rid of things you never use or that didn't work out. > 9) If you have the space, you can install the new and still keep the old, thus > having both to cross-check things/bugs. > 10) You learn a lot. I agree. Running Fedora I upgraded from FC4 to FC5 and udev went ape on bootup. It took a clean install to fix it. I've never trusted an update since, especially when major upgrades of gcc and the like are involved. What I do now is easier to me than an upgrade, I keep two major partitions and freshly install to one, while keeping the older version on it's own partition. Then, the install goes quickly and usually without any fuss. I get to play with it in "pristine" condition and slowly move data from the old to the new. I do that in baby steps. If something goes wrong, I just have one issue to deal with instead of a hopeless pile of errors to witch-hunt through. I quit using Fedora as I do not wish to beta-test while I need to be doing useful things. To many things routinely blew up in testing that interfere with my true work. So, I switched to Kubuntu to have a stable platform to work with and I have not looked back. Keep up the good work!! My two-cents, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From gkourtev at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 07:43:07 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:43:07 +0300 Subject: Microphone does not work In-Reply-To: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > >> From: Georgi Kourtev >> Subject: Microphone does not work >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 12:56 PM >> Does anyone have any good idea how to make the mic working >> on a DELL >> inspiron 1525 laptop? I've searched some forums but >> couldn't find >> solution. It does not work even with external mic. >> Thanks. >> >> > > It seems it should work with snd_hda_intell unfrotunately coudn't find information on the underlaying chipset > > could you provide the output from > > cat /proc/asound/cards > > cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec > > I helped a friend few months ago to find the proper snd_hda_intel driver (in his case we should download OEM version from realtek) > > regards > > > > > > Emanoil, Here it is. gkourtev at gkourtev-laptop:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xfe9fc000 irq 19 gkourtev at gkourtev-laptop:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards*/codec#* cat: /proc/asound/cards*/codec#*: No such file or directory From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 08:17:33 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:17:33 +0200 Subject: Microphone does not work References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > cat /proc/asound/cards*/codec#* sorry, the last command I posted was not correct use this: cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec Example from my dell: cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 this way we'll know which chipset you have inside regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 08:24:51 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:24:51 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: Knapp wrote: >> Hehe, good story. >> >> I remember few years ago some python programmers convinced me to try to >> learn it and indeed it's pretty handy language. So I was amazed how fast >> things get done. They were laughing at me using perl to get the job done. >> I've tried it and then I discovered the vpython module and programmed a >> 3d filebrowser in about few hours. >> Unfortunately after one cleanup it disappeared ;-( and I'm too lazy to >> search into the backups for it. >> Unfortunately since I'm using this stupid company dell notebook with >> intell graphic card and two monitors I forgot what 3d was. >> >> I can imagine that panda will not like my configuration - what do you >> think? >> >> regards > > Story?? yes, about you programming in c and now 10 years after moving to python > > I would say check out this page about installing and TESTING it. Not > sure how fast your intel card is or your computer or how much memory > you have. I would note that compiling your own is no longer needed as > they have it on the site. You might also want to download samples, > manual and art. Samples for sure because I don't think they come in > the deb but I could be wrong. > > One other thing is that if you can't pull the speed you need with > python Panda3d can be called from C. Prototype in Python and if needed > production in C. > > Download > http://panda3d.org/download.php > Ubuntu help > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45667&page=2 > > I started to learn Perl one time but got put off my RegX. :-) It does > seem like a good text manipulation language but then so in Python. > Really don't know which is best and for what. > I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when screen size is bigger than 2048 I should admit the perl syntax is not one would understand easy, but once you get used to it, it very easy to use it. I'm not motivated to do anything in python, because where I work we have only java and perl as an option besides of course shell. I'll have a look at the panda stuff though it looks cute. regards From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Oct 18 08:33:42 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:33:42 +0300 Subject: cannot create hybrid document after JRE upgrade Message-ID: <48F99F66.5060007@mail.ee> Hi! I use Kubuntu 8.04.1 LTS with KDE 3.5.10 and all of the rest latest updates until current date. I installed OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 and also PDF Import plugin v0.3.2. Previously I uninstalled old version of OpenOffice.org. Then I could also create hybrid document as described here - http://www.oooninja.com/2008/06/pdf-import-hybrid-odf-pdfs-extension-30.html So, it means that ODF+PDF are inside one document and file extension is .pdf but it is possible to open it with OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 + PDF Import plugin v0.3.2 and edit like regular ODF-file and then save as regular ODF-file and export again into PDF as hybrid document. This gives opportunity to open those .pdf files also by them, who doesn't have OpenOffice.org installed. Also who has installed OpenOffice.org, they can edit such PDF-files. Then I upgraded my Kubuntu and I mentioned, that also Java Runtime Environment 1.6.0_07 were installed during that upgrade. The result is, that I don't see anymore that option in PDF export dialog to create a hybrid document. I tried to create ~/.openoffice.org profile from scratch but it didn't help - hybrid document remains unavailable for me. Just for curious I checked this also in Windows XP, where I installed Firefox 3.0.3, JRE 1.6.0_10, Adobe Flash Plugin 10.0.12.36, OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 and PDF Import plugin v0.3.2 and there this PDF Import plugin worked and no problem. Has anyone similar problem or does anybody have any idea, how to fix this problem? Thanks for Advance, Edmund Laugasson From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 08:34:11 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:34:11 +0200 Subject: Microphone does not work References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> Message-ID: Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> cat /proc/asound/cards*/codec#* > > sorry, the last command I posted was not correct > > use this: > cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec > > Example from my dell: > cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec > Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 > > > this way we'll know which chipset you have inside > > regards After thinking a while I decided that it may be good to post the hole output from cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* 'cause we can see then also the Vendor Id Did you try the link that Nigel posted? post also the output from amixer regards From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Oct 18 08:37:53 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:37:53 +0300 Subject: cannot create hybrid document after JRE upgrade In-Reply-To: <48F99F66.5060007@mail.ee> References: <48F99F66.5060007@mail.ee> Message-ID: <48F9A061.5010902@mail.ee> > I tried to create ~/.openoffice.org profile from scratch but it didn't > help - hybrid document remains unavailable for me. I then removed that PDF Import plugin and tried to install again but I cannot install it anymore, because OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 announces me in popup window, that InvalidValueException has occured and cannot continue :( From barnaby at drofle.com Sat Oct 18 08:42:14 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:42:14 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox Message-ID: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> I have been reading some of the emails referring to KDE4 both in Hardy and the forthcoming Intrepid version. At the moment I am using Kubuntu Gutsy. This made me look out for another Window Manager. I had a look at several and at the moment I am using Fluxbox with Thunar file manager. I like this combination. Are there any experts on either, or both, out there who have any comments, suggestions etc. Thanks Neil Winchurst From barnaby at drofle.com Sat Oct 18 08:47:46 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:47:46 +0100 Subject: Upgrades to packages Message-ID: <48F9A2B2.6000403@drofle.com> I have been using Linux for over six years, and Kubuntu (currently Gutsy) for about two. I especially like the way that I am told when any upgrades are available via the red triangle. However I have realised that only some of the installed packages are included in this system. There are some packages, which were installed via adept, that never appear. Can anyone explain why please? If I realise that there are more recent version of a package available what is the best way to go about upgrading it? Thanks for any help Neil Winchurst From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Oct 18 08:55:27 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:55:27 +0100 Subject: Drive errors In-Reply-To: References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200810180955.27235.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 17 October 2008 22:16:44 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this > > morning and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. > > > > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was to > > copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? > > fsck checks the file system not the drive integrity Ran badblocks this morning and it completed without errors. Will see if I get any more errors in the logs today and then I'll have to use another drive. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sat Oct 18 09:04:11 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:04:11 +0200 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <48F61931.1090901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87wsg6cm0k.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Willy K. Hamra" writes: > in my experience, i never had any performance problems, but you usually > get loads of junk settings files here and there. some files stop being > used in later releases, and such stuff. as for performance, non that i > know of. but the thing with intrepid, is that you will be upgrading from > KDE3 to KDE4, and with it, there might be loads of such junk settings > files. i know of no person who upgraded to intrepid to be sure of how > bad the upgrade will be, you might need to check here and there a bit. I just did an upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid on one of my laptops. The upgrade wasn't really smooth (although it worked once I just dropped down to the shell and aptitude), but Kubuntu itself once it was up and running, is running great. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From gkourtev at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 09:12:17 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:12:17 +0300 Subject: Microphone does not work In-Reply-To: References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F9A871.8010409@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > >> cat /proc/asound/cards*/codec#* >> > > sorry, the last command I posted was not correct > > use this: > cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec > > Example from my dell: > cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec > Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 > > > this way we'll know which chipset you have inside > > regards > > > > This is the output from cat: Codec: Conexant ID 2c06 Codec: Generic 1095 SI HDMI Codec: SigmaTel STAC9228 ...and from amixer: Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Playback 123 [97%] [-3.00dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Headphone as Line Out',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Front',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Front Left: Playback 121 [95%] [-4.50dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 121 [95%] [-4.50dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Surround',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Front Left: Playback 103 [81%] [-18.00dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 103 [81%] [-18.00dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Center',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Playback 108 [85%] [-14.25dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Playback 120 [94%] [-5.25dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 14 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Capture',1 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 14 Front Left: Capture 14 [100%] [21.00dB] [off] Front Right: Capture 14 [100%] [21.00dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Capture',2 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 14 Front Left: Capture 13 [93%] [19.50dB] [off] Front Right: Capture 13 [93%] [19.50dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Analog Loopback',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'Digital',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 120 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Digital Input Source',0 Capabilities: enum Items: 'Analog Inputs' 'Digital Mic 1' Item0: 'Analog Inputs' Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' Item0: 'Mic' Simple mixer control 'Input Source',1 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' Item0: 'Mic' Simple mixer control 'Input Source',2 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' Item0: 'Front Mic' Simple mixer control 'Mux',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 4 Front Left: Capture 3 [75%] [30.00dB] Front Right: Capture 3 [75%] [30.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Mux',1 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 4 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Mux',2 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 4 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Swap Center/LFE',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 09:13:48 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:13:48 +0200 Subject: Drive errors References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200810180955.27235.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: Mark Fraser wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2008 22:16:44 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> Mark Fraser wrote: > >> > Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this >> > morning and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. >> > >> > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was >> > to copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? >> >> fsck checks the file system not the drive integrity > > Ran badblocks this morning and it completed without errors. Will see if I > get any more errors in the logs today and then I'll have to use another > drive. > If the drive is ok, then it might be another issue. You can check what chipset you have and google about issues with your specific chipset, or may be with your specific drive model. May be contact the kernel people, who will tell you to install the recent kernel and try again. regards From lucafbb at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 09:17:22 2008 From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:17:22 +0200 Subject: USB HDD and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <27308d500810161430t7448fa61ga3d5d6fa1b45593d@mail.gmail.com> References: <27308d500810161430t7448fa61ga3d5d6fa1b45593d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27308d500810180217u7daa6124l7dc2ac93593311cb@mail.gmail.com> This is becaming a big problem... I'm really not able to use the HDD... after some seconds it get disconnected! On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Luca wrote: > Hi all. > > I've a little problem with my Kubuntu. > Every time I turn on the laptop and a USB external hard drive is > connected the GUI asked me to open the disk content. > One of the last time I did it I also check the command that say > "always do this for this media". > > The problem now is that very ofter the USD device isn't loaded at all, > and the only way to reconnect it is to turn off and on the disk > itself. > > Also (not so ofter) when I begin to access the disk I get disconnected > by Dolphin. > > Question: I can clear my choice of always open the disk and returning > to reply to the question every time?!? > > -- > -- luca > -- -- luca From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 09:41:53 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:41:53 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when screen > size is bigger than 2048 > > I should admit the perl syntax is not one would understand easy, but once > you get used to it, it very easy to use it. > I'm not motivated to do anything in python, because where I work we have > only java and perl as an option besides of course shell. > I'll have a look at the panda stuff though it looks cute. Java has some need 3d stuff being added. I don't know how good it is but the demo stuff looked good. Panda3d is the best Lib I have ever found, if you want to do 3d games. I have looked at all the major 3d and 2d game libs that are open. It was made by Disney for Disney and they were nice enough to make it totally open source. The use it for their parks and for their online games. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 09:44:51 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:44:51 +0200 Subject: Microphone does not work References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> <48F9A871.8010409@gmail.com> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> Georgi Kourtev wrote: >> >> >>> cat /proc/asound/cards*/codec#* >>> >> >> sorry, the last command I posted was not correct >> >> use this: >> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec >> >> Example from my dell: >> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec >> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 >> >> >> this way we'll know which chipset you have inside >> >> regards >> >> >> >> > This is the output from cat: > > Codec: Conexant ID 2c06 > Codec: Generic 1095 SI HDMI > Codec: SigmaTel STAC9228 > > ...and from amixer: > > Simple mixer control 'Master',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 123 [97%] [-3.00dB] [on] > Simple mixer control 'Headphone as Line Out',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [off] > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 255 > Mono: > Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB] > Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB] > Simple mixer control 'Front',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: > Front Left: Playback 121 [95%] [-4.50dB] [on] > Front Right: Playback 121 [95%] [-4.50dB] [on] > Simple mixer control 'Surround',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: > Front Left: Playback 103 [81%] [-18.00dB] [on] > Front Right: Playback 103 [81%] [-18.00dB] [on] > Simple mixer control 'Center',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 108 [85%] [-14.25dB] [on] > Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 120 [94%] [-5.25dB] [on] > Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [on] > Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 > Capabilities: cvolume cswitch > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 14 > Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] > Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] > Simple mixer control 'Capture',1 > Capabilities: cvolume cswitch > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 14 > Front Left: Capture 14 [100%] [21.00dB] [off] > Front Right: Capture 14 [100%] [21.00dB] [off] > Simple mixer control 'Capture',2 > Capabilities: cvolume cswitch > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 14 > Front Left: Capture 13 [93%] [19.50dB] [off] > Front Right: Capture 13 [93%] [19.50dB] [off] > Simple mixer control 'Analog Loopback',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [on] > Simple mixer control 'Digital',0 > Capabilities: cvolume > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 120 > Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] > Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] > Simple mixer control 'Digital Input Source',0 > Capabilities: enum > Items: 'Analog Inputs' 'Digital Mic 1' > Item0: 'Analog Inputs' > Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0 > Capabilities: cenum > Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' > Item0: 'Mic' > Simple mixer control 'Input Source',1 > Capabilities: cenum > Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' > Item0: 'Mic' > Simple mixer control 'Input Source',2 > Capabilities: cenum > Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' > Item0: 'Front Mic' > Simple mixer control 'Mux',0 > Capabilities: cvolume > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 4 > Front Left: Capture 3 [75%] [30.00dB] > Front Right: Capture 3 [75%] [30.00dB] > Simple mixer control 'Mux',1 > Capabilities: cvolume > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 4 > Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] > Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] > Simple mixer control 'Mux',2 > Capabilities: cvolume > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 4 > Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] > Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] > Simple mixer control 'Swap Center/LFE',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [on] Well, we see here that your capture sources are muted 'off' you have to unmute them - did you follow the instructions from the link posted by Nigel. the screenshots are pretty nice. it has to look like this (pay attention to 'on') Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 15 Front Left: Capture 2 [13%] [3.00dB] [on] Front Right: Capture 2 [13%] [3.00dB] [on] Further more from the alsa (advanced linux sound architecture) documentation i.e. http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt 1015 STAC9227/9228/9229/927x 1016 ref Reference board 1017 3stack D965 3stack 1018 5stack D965 5stack + SPDIF 1019 dell-3stack Dell Dimension E520 you have to pass the module option model to the snd-hda-intel driver first check if there is something already configured grep -r 'options snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/ if there is no model then create a file kdesudo kedit /etc/modprobe.d/sound-custom and put this inside options snd-hda-intel model=ref or if it does not work one of the other options But your problem is definitely due to the muted capture sources regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 10:27:31 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:27:31 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: Knapp wrote: >> I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when >> screen size is bigger than 2048 >> >> I should admit the perl syntax is not one would understand easy, but once >> you get used to it, it very easy to use it. >> I'm not motivated to do anything in python, because where I work we have >> only java and perl as an option besides of course shell. >> I'll have a look at the panda stuff though it looks cute. > > Java has some need 3d stuff being added. I don't know how good it is > but the demo stuff looked good. we are not doing any visual stuff there. > Panda3d is the best Lib I have ever found, if you want to do 3d games. > I have looked at all the major 3d and 2d game libs that are open. It > was made by Disney for Disney and they were nice enough to make it > totally open source. The use it for their parks and for their online > games. > this is really a nice story. linux bless disney! I'll have a look at it as soon as I possible. regards From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 10:38:06 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:38:06 -0700 Subject: Drive errors References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <48F8D24D.8030708@sbcglobal.net> <200810172039.59302.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:39:59 +0100, Mark Fraser wrote: > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was to > copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? > It has never been necessary to mark a Linux partition "bootable", GRUB doesn't care. In the past it was necessary for the Windows partition to be marked bootable so the Windows/DOS MBR could hand-off and boot Windows. Grub has a command, makeactive, which I believe is included just so GRUB can hand-off to a non-supported OS like Windows. With Windows partitions(I only have old ones, Vista might be different, I don't know), I have always used makeactive in the stanza just before chainloader +1 for Windows partitions. If you have GRUB installed to a partition it's possible to chainload +1 to it but the makactive is not necessary, in fact this is the way some people choose to use multiple GRUB menus on multi-boot systems. So any Linus partition is a bootable partition, if it has the correct files in the correct location and the GRUB stanza points correctly to it. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 10:38:06 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:38:06 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1224313612.1374.93.camel@iam> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:06:52 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:46 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Paul Lemmons wrote: >> > Am I the only one with such a positive experience with the upgrade >> > process? Do more of you upgrade or rebuild? Why the constant advice >> > to backup your system, remember all of the apps you installed and >> > then trash it to install clean and restore apps and files with a >> > prayer that you did not miss anything? >> >> I always do fresh installs. >> >> 1) It cleans things up... >> 2) You learn a lot. >> 3) You get to find out what is new and don't miss some of the new >> options. 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. And >> need to install fresh anyway. (this happened to me and is why I will >> never upgrade again) 5) If you have a minor bug in the upgraded system, >> you will never know whether it is a bug in the new release or some >> incompatibility in the upgrade. 6) You learn a lot 7) You get to go >> over your notes. (you *do* have notes don't you?) 8) You can get rid >> of things you never use or that didn't work out. 9) If you have the >> space, you can install the new and still keep the old, thus having both >> to cross-check things/bugs. 10) You learn a lot. > > I agree. Running Fedora I upgraded from FC4 to FC5 and udev went ape on > bootup. It took a clean install to fix it. I've never trusted an update > since, especially when major upgrades of gcc and the like are involved. > What I do now is easier to me than an upgrade, I keep two major > partitions and freshly install to one, while keeping the older version > on it's own partition. Then, the install goes quickly and usually > without any fuss. I get to play with it in "pristine" condition and > slowly move data from the old to the new. I do that in baby steps. If > something goes wrong, I just have one issue to deal with instead of a > hopeless pile of errors to witch-hunt through. > > Certainly it is a matter of personal choice, whether to fresh install or not and I'm not trying to say that it is wrong to do so. On a simple workstation installation, especially one with only one user, it doesn't take too long to set things up the way you want them again, that may not be true for a more complex installation. I don't mean this to be insulting Ric but just because a person has difficulty with an upgrade doesn't mean the fault is due to the upgrade. I don't know FC but I do remember when Debian moved from Sarge to Etch as the stable release. Big changes bring big opportunities for problems. However, most of the problems that people had in Debian were covered in the release notes and many people didn't read them and follow the procedure given in them. I don't know if FC has release notes or if they would have helped. Just a note here, I thought I knew Debian well enough to just go ahead and ended up with a borked system which took me a couple of days to correct. But, by fixing it I did learn where I made an error and why things didn't work out, much more instructive than just reinstalling. It was not a which hunt, it was logical troubleshooting. I do realise anything above our current level of knowledge can appear to be magic. That being said, I agree with your two partition method, if one has a spare partition for it, your approach adds a measure of safety as you have detailed. In fact it's similar to what I do, just that I used that copy of the system as a fallback position, booted to it because it wasn't updated and it was still working, then I chrooted into the borked filesystem to fix it. I just wanted to add my $.02 of a different opinion. There are systems with a level of complexity that it is not time-saving to do a clean install, on simple workstations it could be. There are probably opportunities for learning either way. I do know that a fair number of Kubuntu users do recommend the fresh install method, just earlier this morning, in the Kubuntu forum I saw a post where a long-time user recommended not even saving /home, but always doing a fresh install when a new version comes out. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 18 11:54:46 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:54:46 -0400 Subject: Installation problem - dual boot - Hardy/Intrepid (no Windows) Message-ID: <48F9CE86.8050201@sbcglobal.net> I am having a couple of disk problems right now, however I would like to resolve the problem I am having installing Intrepid first. Current OS is Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. I have 2 hard drives, 80gb & 200gb. Currently I have Hardy installed on sdb1 of the 80gb HD, mount point '/'. I have 14gb dedicated and formatted on the 200gb drive, sda1, to install Intrepid. Moments ago, I mounted this partition and identified it as '/media'. This is the Intrepid version I downloaded for installation. #define DISKNAME Kubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex" - Beta i386 #define TYPE binary #define TYPEbinary 1 #define ARCH i386 #define ARCHi386 1 #define DISKNUM 1 #define DISKNUM1 1 #define TOTALNUM 0 #define TOTALNUM0 1 Then I booted with the CD installed. My CD boots first. A screen appeared with an option to INSTALL. I chose that option. After some time, a black screen appeared with a 'X' cursor in the center of the screen. The screen stays unchanged at that point, as though the system had crashed. Using the mouse, I verified that I could move the cursor, so I don't think a crash occurred. Can anyone explain what has happened? By the way, I set the file system for the empty boot partition as ext3, if that matters. TIA Steven From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 12:30:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:30:59 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I always thought (but not deeply :) ) that a first-person *world* would make a great UI. Imagine something like PlaneShift (the game, very nice BTW) where this happens: I am in the main room of my castle. Each wall is a 'desktop' I can zoom into it, tear away zip across to another (or the ceiling). I can go out the door into another set of desktops. Perhaps I code in the main room and run email and stuff in the next. I don't have time to walk through doors and down stairs, but I can setup hyperspace portals to any room. Icons to start apps can be on desktops or can be hanging like paintings on the walls or floating around the space. I can have a vast room full of folder icons. Documents that I can throw around (bump desktop style) and arrange into stacks as I need. The Recycle room can be a pile of trash -- folder and document icons all scrunched-up. I can arrange them as I need. I pull a lever on the wall and the floor opens and they all fall into a giant fire! I get a call on Skype (I know, don't kill me but Ekiga just won't work) and I zip up to my sky-room where the interface floats before me. If I need to drop a file onto the chat I can open a 'globe' which calls the entire castle into it and I can quickly zip to the folder room and find one. I drag the 3D document icons to the chat. Daemons could be actual monsters and such. Apache would be an indian with the feather :) They walk about in the dungeons mostly. Their speed of walking (flying, lurching) could indicate their activity. When the fork, they clone and the children are smaller and chained to the parent. To kill them you shoot them. Of course :D Outer space could be where you keep widgets orbiting the planet. Want to see the latest Dilbert? Hyperspace to there and fly around your widget space. SSH would start a new castle next door! And so on. Would be cool. Now go code damnit! \d From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Oct 18 12:30:06 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:30:06 +0100 Subject: Drive errors In-Reply-To: References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200810180955.27235.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200810181330.06733.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Saturday 18 October 2008 10:13:48 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2008 22:16:44 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> Mark Fraser wrote: > >> > Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this > >> > morning and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. > >> > > >> > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I was > >> > to copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable partition? > >> > >> fsck checks the file system not the drive integrity > > > > Ran badblocks this morning and it completed without errors. Will see if I > > get any more errors in the logs today and then I'll have to use another > > drive. > > If the drive is ok, then it might be another issue. You can check what > chipset you have and google about issues with your specific chipset, or may > be with your specific drive model. > > May be contact the kernel people, who will tell you to install the recent > kernel and try again. > > regards As an update, my computer locked up again this morning (nothing worked and something was constantly accessing one of my drives). When I rebooted and check smartctrl again I did see some errors: Error 176 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 2959 hours (123 days + 7 hours) When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle. After command completion occurred, registers were: ER ST SC SN CL CH DH -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 10 51 01 6e f0 50 e9 Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- 37 ff 01 6e f0 50 e9 00 03:35:52.602 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT 27 ff 00 6e f0 50 e0 00 03:35:52.378 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT 37 ff 00 6e f0 50 e9 00 03:35:52.313 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT 27 ff 01 6e f0 50 e0 00 03:35:50.233 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRES and: Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- 37 ff 01 6e f0 50 e9 00 01:48:28.144 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT 27 ff 00 6e f0 50 e0 00 01:48:28.093 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT 37 ff 00 6e f0 50 e9 00 01:48:28.092 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT 27 ff 01 6e f0 50 e0 00 01:48:28.092 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT 37 ff 01 6e f0 50 e9 00 01:48:28.092 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT Also ran Hard Disk Sentinel which came back with: HDD Device 0: /dev/sda HDD Model ID : ST380815AS HDD Serial No: 6RA4P3CL HDD Revision : 3.AAD HDD Size : 76319 MB Interface : S-ATA II Temperature : 40 °C Health : 100 % Performance : 100 % Power on time: 123 days, 9 hours Est. lifetime: more than 1000 days Still think I might have to replace the drive sooner than later. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 13:13:56 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:13:56 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Donn wrote: > I always thought (but not deeply :) ) that a first-person *world* would make a > great UI. Imagine something like PlaneShift (the game, very nice BTW) where > this happens: > > I am in the main room of my castle. Each wall is a 'desktop' I can zoom into > it, tear away zip across to another (or the ceiling). I can go out the door > into another set of desktops. Perhaps I code in the main room and run email > and stuff in the next. > > I don't have time to walk through doors and down stairs, but I can setup > hyperspace portals to any room. > > Icons to start apps can be on desktops or can be hanging like paintings on the > walls or floating around the space. > > I can have a vast room full of folder icons. Documents that I can throw around > (bump desktop style) and arrange into stacks as I need. > > The Recycle room can be a pile of trash -- folder and document icons all > scrunched-up. I can arrange them as I need. I pull a lever on the wall and > the floor opens and they all fall into a giant fire! > > I get a call on Skype (I know, don't kill me but Ekiga just won't work) and I > zip up to my sky-room where the interface floats before me. If I need to drop > a file onto the chat I can open a 'globe' which calls the entire castle into > it and I can quickly zip to the folder room and find one. I drag the 3D > document icons to the chat. > > Daemons could be actual monsters and such. Apache would be an indian with the > feather :) They walk about in the dungeons mostly. Their speed of walking > (flying, lurching) could indicate their activity. When the fork, they clone > and the children are smaller and chained to the parent. > To kill them you shoot them. Of course :D > > Outer space could be where you keep widgets orbiting the planet. Want to see > the latest Dilbert? Hyperspace to there and fly around your widget space. > > SSH would start a new castle next door! > > And so on. Would be cool. Now go code damnit! > > \d Did some research, running a 3d program that has floating icons, clicking them to start a program is easy. Making the program that is started project onto anything in the 3d program is VERY hard. So we could with ease make it an run it on top of KDE as a program started and fun toy. Anything more would take real work, unless I am missing something. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 13:38:31 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:38:31 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810181538.31865.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday, 18 October 2008 15:13:56 Knapp wrote: > Anything more would take real work, unless I am missing > something. Yeah - I was just dreaming aloud. I hear you. \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 13:30:34 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:30:34 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810181538.31865.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200810181538.31865.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: I might do it for fun sometime. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sat Oct 18 14:50:06 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:50:06 +0200 Subject: broken message in Kmail Message-ID: <200810181650.06896.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> How can one get ride a broken message in the in box. It can not be deleted, copied or moved. the moment you try something the messageheader is display with a horizontal line through it. after reentering the in box the horizontal line is gone, but still no changes or deletions are possible. any suggestions? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Oct 18 15:58:25 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:58:25 +0200 Subject: broken message in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200810181650.06896.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810181650.06896.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810181758.25432.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 18 October 2008 16:50, Peter Klaassen wrote: > How can one get ride a broken message in the in box. > It can not be deleted, copied or moved. > the moment you try something the messageheader is display > with a horizontal line through it. > > after reentering the in box the horizontal line is gone, > but still no changes or deletions are possible. > > any suggestions? > > -- > Peter > Registered Linux user # 458207 Hi Peter, See if you can copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/"yourFolder"/cur (or wherever your file is) with konquereor or a terminal. If that works, and to be on the safe side I suggest you first backup the whole kmail folder. The problem is that the files in those .../mail/...folders don't appear with their name, so to isolate your broken message you could create a "newYourFolder" in KMail and move all messages (but the faulty one) from "yourFolder" to there. Then, after having closed KMail, you could probably delete your file with Konq. HTH Perry -- BOFH excuse #6: global warming From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 16:00:14 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:00:14 +0200 Subject: Drive errors References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200810180955.27235.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200810181330.06733.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: Mark Fraser wrote: > On Saturday 18 October 2008 10:13:48 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> Mark Fraser wrote: >> > On Friday 17 October 2008 22:16:44 Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> >> Mark Fraser wrote: >> >> > Emanoil, I haven't run badblocks yet, but I loaded up a live CD this >> >> > morning and ran fsck.ext3 which didn't find anything wrong. >> >> > >> >> > Also, I have done a backup of the majority of the drive, but if I >> >> > was to copy everything to a new drive how do I make a bootable >> >> > partition? >> >> >> >> fsck checks the file system not the drive integrity >> > >> > Ran badblocks this morning and it completed without errors. Will see if >> > I get any more errors in the logs today and then I'll have to use >> > another drive. >> >> If the drive is ok, then it might be another issue. You can check what >> chipset you have and google about issues with your specific chipset, or >> may be with your specific drive model. >> >> May be contact the kernel people, who will tell you to install the recent >> kernel and try again. >> >> regards > > As an update, my computer locked up again this morning (nothing worked and > something was constantly accessing one of my drives). When I rebooted and > check smartctrl again I did see some errors: > > Error 176 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 2959 hours (123 days + 7 > hours) When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was > active or idle. > > After command completion occurred, registers were: > ER ST SC SN CL CH DH > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > 10 51 01 6e f0 50 e9 > > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- > 37 ff 01 6e f0 50 e9 00 03:35:52.602 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT > 27 ff 00 6e f0 50 e0 00 03:35:52.378 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT > 37 ff 00 6e f0 50 e9 00 03:35:52.313 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT > 27 ff 01 6e f0 50 e0 00 03:35:50.233 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRES > > and: > > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- > 37 ff 01 6e f0 50 e9 00 01:48:28.144 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT > 27 ff 00 6e f0 50 e0 00 01:48:28.093 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT > 37 ff 00 6e f0 50 e9 00 01:48:28.092 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT > 27 ff 01 6e f0 50 e0 00 01:48:28.092 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT > 37 ff 01 6e f0 50 e9 00 01:48:28.092 SET MAX ADDRESS EXT > > > Also ran Hard Disk Sentinel which came back with: > > HDD Device 0: /dev/sda > HDD Model ID : ST380815AS > HDD Serial No: 6RA4P3CL > HDD Revision : 3.AAD > HDD Size : 76319 MB > Interface : S-ATA II > Temperature : 40 °C > Health : 100 % > Performance : 100 % > Power on time: 123 days, 9 hours > Est. lifetime: more than 1000 days > > Still think I might have to replace the drive sooner than later. As I suggested the only one who can help you take the right decision are the kernel people, or a linux hard drive expert. I fully trust the badblocks program. It didn't show any errors, so my bet would be that some hardware component is not working properly. But I can not help you further. Post the message to the kernel harddisk (sata) list. regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 16:17:13 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:17:13 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > I always thought (but not deeply :) ) that a first-person *world* would > make a great UI. Imagine something like PlaneShift (the game, very nice > BTW) where this happens: > > I am in the main room of my castle. Each wall is a 'desktop' I can zoom > into it, tear away zip across to another (or the ceiling). I can go out > the door into another set of desktops. Perhaps I code in the main room and > run email and stuff in the next. > > I don't have time to walk through doors and down stairs, but I can setup > hyperspace portals to any room. > > Icons to start apps can be on desktops or can be hanging like paintings on > the walls or floating around the space. > > I can have a vast room full of folder icons. Documents that I can throw > around (bump desktop style) and arrange into stacks as I need. > > The Recycle room can be a pile of trash -- folder and document icons all > scrunched-up. I can arrange them as I need. I pull a lever on the wall and > the floor opens and they all fall into a giant fire! > > I get a call on Skype (I know, don't kill me but Ekiga just won't work) > and I zip up to my sky-room where the interface floats before me. If I > need to drop a file onto the chat I can open a 'globe' which calls the > entire castle into it and I can quickly zip to the folder room and find > one. I drag the 3D document icons to the chat. > > Daemons could be actual monsters and such. Apache would be an indian with > the feather :) They walk about in the dungeons mostly. Their speed of > walking (flying, lurching) could indicate their activity. When the fork, > they clone and the children are smaller and chained to the parent. > To kill them you shoot them. Of course :D > > Outer space could be where you keep widgets orbiting the planet. Want to > see the latest Dilbert? Hyperspace to there and fly around your widget > space. > > SSH would start a new castle next door! > > And so on. Would be cool. Now go code damnit! > > \d Donn, I had almost the same dream. In my one directories are also rooms and files are objects and there is a virtual assistant, who brings me the skype phone when I'm being called or the notepad if someone contacts me on icq. Unfortunately I discovered recently that the idea has been already implemented and a research in the AI field has been done :-( funded by X millions of € and $. Check this: www.smartkom.org About the 3d desktop as a startup the virtual space without "fire effects" would be enough. I remember there was a demonstration of such kind of thing already with kde2 and now the compiz and beryl projects did touch the topic. Unfortunately my stupid intel graphics card will never do this with two monitors - how can I punish intel - I I wish I would be david and intel was goliath, but this turns to be another dream :-D. Integrating apps into such a desktop would be hard I agree, but a 3d desktop is a good thing to start with. Mail me when you start working ;-) I would write pyhton (panda) code or whatever I can code then. regards From slewin at bmts.com Sat Oct 18 16:23:47 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:23:47 -0400 Subject: Panel shading on KDE4 Message-ID: <48FA0D93.8080003@bmts.com> Hi, I can not remember what it is called, but how do you get a panel to disappear when not in use on KDE4? What I like to do is have the panel not visible until I move the mouse to the bottom of the screen and have it pop up. I also like to have a panel at the top that does the same thing. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From godshatter at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 16:24:35 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:24:35 -0700 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FA0DC3.1040104@yahoo.com> Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Donn wrote: > >> I always thought (but not deeply :) ) that a first-person *world* would make a >> great UI. Imagine something like PlaneShift (the game, very nice BTW) where >> this happens: >> >> I am in the main room of my castle. Each wall is a 'desktop' I can zoom into >> it, tear away zip across to another (or the ceiling). I can go out the door >> into another set of desktops. Perhaps I code in the main room and run email >> and stuff in the next. >> >> I don't have time to walk through doors and down stairs, but I can setup >> hyperspace portals to any room. >> >> Icons to start apps can be on desktops or can be hanging like paintings on the >> walls or floating around the space. >> >> I can have a vast room full of folder icons. Documents that I can throw around >> (bump desktop style) and arrange into stacks as I need. >> >> The Recycle room can be a pile of trash -- folder and document icons all >> scrunched-up. I can arrange them as I need. I pull a lever on the wall and >> the floor opens and they all fall into a giant fire! >> >> I get a call on Skype (I know, don't kill me but Ekiga just won't work) and I >> zip up to my sky-room where the interface floats before me. If I need to drop >> a file onto the chat I can open a 'globe' which calls the entire castle into >> it and I can quickly zip to the folder room and find one. I drag the 3D >> document icons to the chat. >> >> Daemons could be actual monsters and such. Apache would be an indian with the >> feather :) They walk about in the dungeons mostly. Their speed of walking >> (flying, lurching) could indicate their activity. When the fork, they clone >> and the children are smaller and chained to the parent. >> To kill them you shoot them. Of course :D >> >> Outer space could be where you keep widgets orbiting the planet. Want to see >> the latest Dilbert? Hyperspace to there and fly around your widget space. >> >> SSH would start a new castle next door! >> >> And so on. Would be cool. Now go code damnit! >> >> \d >> > > Did some research, running a 3d program that has floating icons, > clicking them to start a program is easy. Making the program that is > started project onto anything in the 3d program is VERY hard. So we > could with ease make it an run it on top of KDE as a program started > and fun toy. Anything more would take real work, unless I am missing > something. > > Why not make a desktop environment specific to compiz-fusion? There is already a windows manager for compiz, why not a DE? The cube is already a step down that path. You don't have to jump fully into a Quake-like environment, you can start by replacing the start bar with something 3-D and working your way up from there. Paul - who runs compiz happily both at work and at home From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 18 17:09:44 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:09:44 -0400 Subject: Panel shading on KDE4 In-Reply-To: <48FA0D93.8080003@bmts.com> References: <48FA0D93.8080003@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200810181309.45151.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday October 18 2008 12:23:47 pm Scott wrote: > Hi, > > I can not remember what it is called, but how do you get a panel to > disappear when not in use on KDE4? What I like to do is have the panel > not visible until I move the mouse to the bottom of the screen and have > it pop up. I also like to have a panel at the top that does the same > thing. > > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > http://sgaming.org > > Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 The panel autohide will be available in KDE 4.2 once that is back, you should be able to add a second panel to the top and have it work the same way. -- Clay Weber From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 17:27:20 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:27:20 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <48FA0DC3.1040104@yahoo.com> References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48FA0DC3.1040104@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Why not make a desktop environment specific to compiz-fusion? There is > already a windows manager for compiz, why not a DE? The cube is already > a step down that path. You don't have to jump fully into a Quake-like > environment, you can start by replacing the start bar with something 3-D > and working your way up from there. > > Paul - who runs compiz happily both at work and at home The big problem is that you are starting from the ground up, on that path. With Panda you can write the quake like thing in about 1000 lines of code. The problem is that you can't get a program to run with it's out as a Panda3d texture. Perhaps a synthesis of all that would be not to much work but I am not a Dev on ether end. How does a program export it's image to X? Can that block of memory be found and then sent to panda as a texture? That is the core question. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sat Oct 18 17:40:17 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:40:17 +0200 Subject: broken message in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200810181758.25432.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200810181650.06896.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810181758.25432.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200810181940.17186.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Saturday 18 October 2008 17:58:25 schreef Sylviane et Perry White: > On Saturday 18 October 2008 16:50, Peter Klaassen wrote: > > How can one get ride a broken message in the in box. > > It can not be deleted, copied or moved. > > the moment you try something the messageheader is display > > with a horizontal line through it. > > > > after reentering the in box the horizontal line is gone, > > but still no changes or deletions are possible. > > > > any suggestions? > > > > -- > > Peter > > Registered Linux user # 458207 > > Hi Peter, > > See if you can copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/"yourFolder"/cur > (or wherever your file is) with konquereor or a terminal. > If that works, and to be on the safe side I suggest you first backup the > whole kmail folder. > > The problem is that the files in those .../mail/...folders don't appear > with their name, so to isolate your broken message you could create a > "newYourFolder" in KMail and move all messages (but the faulty one) from > "yourFolder" to there. > > Then, after having closed KMail, you could probably delete your file with > Konq. > > > HTH Perry > > > > -- > BOFH excuse #6: global warming Thanks Perry, In .../cur the inboxfiles are listed seperatedly but not with a name. just used krusader to find the right one, exited kmail, deleted it, and started kmail again and it was gone. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 18 16:16:53 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:16:53 +0200 Subject: USB HDD and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <27308d500810161430t7448fa61ga3d5d6fa1b45593d@mail.gmail.com> References: <27308d500810161430t7448fa61ga3d5d6fa1b45593d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810181816.54018.kassube@gmx.net> Luca wrote: > Every time I turn on the laptop and a USB external hard drive is > connected the GUI asked me to open the disk content. > One of the last time I did it I also check the command that say > "always do this for this media". > > The problem now is that very ofter the USD device isn't loaded at all, > and the only way to reconnect it is to turn off and on the disk > itself. > > Also (not so ofter) when I begin to access the disk I get disconnected > by Dolphin. I'm not sure what you mean with "I get disconnected by Dolphin". Does dolphin crash or is the disk suddenly unmounted? > Question: I can clear my choice of always open the disk and returning > to reply to the question every time?!? If you are using KDE 3.5.* the setting is stored in "$HOME/.kde/share/config/medianotifierrc". You can delete that file. If you want to navigate to the .kde directory with your file manager you should enable the display of hidden files. I can't tell you where to look if you have KDE 4.*. Nils From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 19:32:37 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:32:37 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2 and Hardy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/17 Myriam Schweingruber : > Did you install MySQL? From beta 1 to beta2 there has been a switch > from SQLite to MySQL embedded, from your error message I guess you > miss some MySQL files. > > Greets > > Myriam > All required and recommended for Amarok 2 is installed. I decided to remove it until next version is out. / Jonas From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 17:50:56 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:50:56 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1224352256.1374.104.camel@iam> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:54 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. > >> > >> How? It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades in > >> the last decade. > > > > So software never breaks? I admit that when it happened to me it was with > > SuSE long ago, but I'm not about to risk that again. > > Of course software breaks, and I've had it break badly enough that it's > taken _days_ to get the system working again. I haven't, however, ever had > an upgrade break badly enough that I'm "left with nothing". > -- > derek OTOH, it consumes a lot of brain cells during that process that many are just not up to. When I tried updating to FC5 from FC4 UDEV broke horribly and it seemed I was the only one experiencing the problem. I filed bugzilla and no resolution came of it. In the end, I re-installed cleanly and the problem went away. (It took udev about 5 minutes to churn on bootup and it made me crazy in short order) Plus, I find a clean install to be quicker from DVD than eating up my satellite. If you're fortunate enough to have a fat pipe, an upgrade would make more sense. But to those in rural areas with nothing more than a 56k modem connection, upgrading would take forever and be highly prone to breakage from interruptions. Jus' my two-cents worth, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 18:09:14 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:09:14 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1224313612.1374.93.camel@iam> Message-ID: <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 03:38 -0700, Thorny wrote: > On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:06:52 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > That being said, I agree with your two partition method, if one has a > spare partition for it, your approach adds a measure of safety as you have > detailed. In fact it's similar to what I do, just that I used that copy of > the system as a fallback position, booted to it because it wasn't updated > and it was still working, then I chrooted into the borked filesystem to > fix it. Ah! But guess how many newbies just understood what you wrote? In the Fedora and CentOS distros, it's pretty much assumed you had a clue. I would have thought that within Kubuntu that there are far more newbies to be considered on this list. I'm sure you remember the old days when "rolling your own" was the standard first introduction to Linux. But, I could make my old 486 do tricks that Windows couldn't running with a Pentium processor, and my 486 ran much faster. I learned to really know my system inside and out, you betcha! I dunno, there is a new "paradigm" nowadays; getting Linux Desktop to replace Windows Desktop. Those refugees from the Windows world do have a learning curve to jump through and I guess there are no easy answers for them. BTW, Thorny. When I went through my Google email account spam folder, gmail filtered you to there, so I resurrected you. It must have parsed "horny" from your account name. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 21:46:13 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:46:13 -0400 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1224366373.1374.128.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 11:41 +0200, Knapp wrote: > > I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when screen > > size is bigger than 2048 > > > > I should admit the perl syntax is not one would understand easy, but once > > you get used to it, it very easy to use it. > > I'm not motivated to do anything in python, because where I work we have > > only java and perl as an option besides of course shell. > > I'll have a look at the panda stuff though it looks cute. > > Java has some need 3d stuff being added. I don't know how good it is > but the demo stuff looked good. I am currently using the 3D Wonderland project and it has a tremendous amount of potential for live conferencing using VoIP and 3D world building. And, best of all, both the client and the server are GPL'd! It's good of Java/Sun to be heading that direction. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 21:52:13 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:52:13 -0400 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <200810181538.31865.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200810181430.59423.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200810181538.31865.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224366733.1374.134.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 15:38 +0200, Donn wrote: > On Saturday, 18 October 2008 15:13:56 Knapp wrote: > > Anything more would take real work, unless I am missing > > something. > Yeah - I was just dreaming aloud. I hear you. >From within Wonderland you can launch X11 apps to be on a wall or wherever, plus view pdf documents, play multimedia and such. It's pretty cool, but is very much in Beta right now. The telephony part for conferencing is going to be extremely nifty. There is a way to include a user not within the virtual conference (in avatar) who just calls in via phone/cell phone to connect to a user in the conference and appear as a balloon attached to a user. That user can hand the call off to another or the group by passing the balloon around to who ever else wants to talk to the incoming caller. Really cool stuff! Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 18 22:53:25 2008 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Xorg.conf vs. Xorg.config With BFG Nvidia G71 [GeForce 7300GS] & Hardy 64 Bit Message-ID: <341047.80353.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have both xorg config files in /etc/X11/ with the xorg.config(set up with nvidia-xconfig or -settings) and contains the "nvidia-glx-new-envy" driver that I want to use(newest available) but I can't determine by googling if it will even work with my graphic card.  Have had many xorg.conf trial files set up with xfix, nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig, whatever, but when I try to enable Compiz via kde4.1, kmenu->System->Desktop Effects, it tells me to reboot so the driver is in effect to enable the desktop effects.  When I do that, whatever xorg.conf I'm using, it goes into low resolution mode again. Then have to fix xorg.conf again, PITA, with the process being reproducable ad infinitum. Virtually all the time I have to add a screen subsection specifying my monitors(LG L226WTQ Flatron Wide lcd) native resolution to get out of low res mode.  I'm fairly sure I must be doing something wrong but don't know what and the more I google the more uncertain I am of what to do. Specifically: 1. Am I using the right driver for my graphics card(nvidia or nvidia-glx-new-envy)? 2. When I bought the card, the tech man indicated it is a low end card but capable of running most games and graphics. Is it sufficient to run Compiz? 3. What's the story on having two xorg configuration files? Which one prevails or is somehow both used by X? Why can I remove the xorg.conf file, leaving only xorg.config, and X still works? This indicates to me that the nvidia-glx-new-envy driver is in effect.  Is that true?  Note: "nvidia" is driver in xorg.conf and "nvidia-glx-new-envy" is driver in xorg.config. 4. How can I activate "Desktop Effects" or "Compiz"(I assume they are the same thing) without going into low graphics mode after rebooting? Do I need both xorg.conf and xorg.config?  Specifically, which nvidia driver do I need for my card(most advanced)? Any guidance is most appreciated, Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From temps.jo at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 01:29:15 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:29:15 +0200 Subject: Installation problem - dual boot - Hardy/Intrepid (no Windows) In-Reply-To: <48F9CE86.8050201@sbcglobal.net> References: <48F9CE86.8050201@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: HI, maybe youd CD is broken, try an oser one 2008/10/18 Steven Vollom > I am having a couple of disk problems right now, however I would like to > resolve the problem I am having installing Intrepid first. Current OS > is Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. > > I have 2 hard drives, 80gb & 200gb. > > Currently I have Hardy installed on sdb1 of the 80gb HD, mount point '/'. > > I have 14gb dedicated and formatted on the 200gb drive, sda1, to install > Intrepid. Moments ago, I mounted this partition and identified it as > '/media'. > > This is the Intrepid version I downloaded for installation. > > #define DISKNAME Kubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex" - Beta i386 > #define TYPE binary > #define TYPEbinary 1 > #define ARCH i386 > #define ARCHi386 1 > #define DISKNUM 1 > #define DISKNUM1 1 > #define TOTALNUM 0 > #define TOTALNUM0 1 > > Then I booted with the CD installed. My CD boots first. A screen > appeared with an option to INSTALL. I chose that option. After some > time, a black screen appeared with a 'X' cursor in the center of the > screen. The screen stays unchanged at that point, as though the system > had crashed. Using the mouse, I verified that I could move the cursor, > so I don't think a crash occurred. > > Can anyone explain what has happened? By the way, I set the file system > for the empty boot partition as ext3, if that matters. TIA > > Steven > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slewin at bmts.com Sun Oct 19 03:00:28 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:00:28 -0400 Subject: Panel shading on KDE4 In-Reply-To: <200810181309.45151.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <48FA0D93.8080003@bmts.com> <200810181309.45151.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <48FAA2CC.2060400@bmts.com> claydoh wrote: > The panel autohide will be available in KDE 4.2 > once that is back, you should be able to add a second panel to the top and > have it work the same way. Thank you for the info. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From kap4lin at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 04:34:12 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:34:12 -0400 Subject: list of installed files during "make install" In-Reply-To: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810060821.07644.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Glenn R Williams wrote: > You can also do: > > make -n install > output.txt 2>&1 I was checking this option carefully. This will fail to capture the steps of any nested make, right? What I mean is, if the current make tries to run make inside further sub directories, the output from those "nested" makes will not be captured! Is there any way to replace every make by a "make -n"? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 09:40:26 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:40:26 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <1224366373.1374.128.camel@iam> References: <1224366373.1374.128.camel@iam> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 11:41 +0200, Knapp wrote: >> > I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when screen >> > size is bigger than 2048 >> > >> > I should admit the perl syntax is not one would understand easy, but once >> > you get used to it, it very easy to use it. >> > I'm not motivated to do anything in python, because where I work we have >> > only java and perl as an option besides of course shell. >> > I'll have a look at the panda stuff though it looks cute. >> >> Java has some need 3d stuff being added. I don't know how good it is >> but the demo stuff looked good. > > I am currently using the 3D Wonderland project and it has a tremendous > amount of potential for live conferencing using VoIP and 3D world > building. And, best of all, both the client and the server are GPL'd! > It's good of Java/Sun to be heading that direction. Ric > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: > "There are two Great Sins in the world... > ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. > Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ > https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ > Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 > Yes, I ran into that project last year while researching the best language and libs for my game project. It looks really cool but I bet it is 5 to 10 more years before it goes mainstream. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From paul at paulhurley.co.uk Sun Oct 19 10:36:14 2008 From: paul at paulhurley.co.uk (Paul Hurley) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:36:14 +0100 Subject: Administrator Mode in Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 Message-ID: <48FB0D9E.9080300@paulhurley.co.uk> Hey. After my venerable M300 lappie died and was reborn recently, I rebuilt it with 8.04 and KDE4. Things are going ok, but one niggle is that system settings doesn't have an administrator mode button any more. I want to do things like set my system to login automatically, which was easy in KDE3. I've done a quick google, and there are several places where people moan, and some that say to run it from the konsole under sudo, but is there a better way ? Thanks Paul. -- Paul Hurley http://www.paulhurley.co.uk/ The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 19 10:51:05 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:51:05 +1000 Subject: Text - menus etc much clearer under gnome om 8.10 Beta Message-ID: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> Has anyone else noticed this? I have both the the gnome and kubuntu desktop installed (Intrepid) and I find text in general - menus, browsing, email is much more readable under gnome than kubuntu. This applies to gnome and KDE4 programs - and I do have a complete set of MS fonts installed. Have tried with Font smoothing on and off. I'd go further and say the Gnome buttons, icons, menus etc are much more clearly defined. IMHO KDE looks much better - but after half an hour I'm getting noticeable eyestrain. Its a relief and a disappointment to switch back to gnome. I did not find this with 7.10 / KDE3 NVidia 6100 - restricted drivers installed (and working) -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 19 10:52:01 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:52:01 +1000 Subject: Administrator Mode in Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 In-Reply-To: <48FB0D9E.9080300@paulhurley.co.uk> References: <48FB0D9E.9080300@paulhurley.co.uk> Message-ID: <48FB1151.3030407@optusnet.com.au> Paul Hurley wrote: > I've done a quick google, and there are several places where people > moan, and some that say to run it from the konsole under sudo, but is > there a better way ? > I'm afraid not :( -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 11:00:08 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:00:08 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1224313612.1374.93.camel@iam> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:09:14 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 03:38 -0700, Thorny wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:06:52 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > >> That being said, I agree with your two partition method, if one has a >> spare partition for it, your approach adds a measure of safety as you >> have detailed. In fact it's similar to what I do, just that I used that >> copy of the system as a fallback position, booted to it because it >> wasn't updated and it was still working, then I chrooted into the borked >> filesystem to fix it. > > Ah! But guess how many newbies just understood what you wrote? In > the Fedora and CentOS distros, it's pretty much assumed you had a clue. I > would have thought that within Kubuntu that there are far more newbies to > be considered on this list. I'm sure you remember the old days when > "rolling your own" was the standard first introduction to Linux. But, I > could make my old 486 do tricks that Windows couldn't running with a > Pentium processor, and my 486 ran much faster. I learned to really know my > system inside and out, you betcha! I dunno, there is a new "paradigm" > nowadays; getting Linux Desktop to replace Windows Desktop. Those refugees > from the Windows world do have a learning curve to jump through and I > guess there are no easy answers for them. > > BTW, Thorny. When I went through my Google email account spam folder, > gmail filtered you to there, so I resurrected you. It must have parsed > "horny" from your account name. Ric Yes Ric, I did speak to you as an experienced user. I might even have seen your name around previously somewhere. :-) And you are correct that the aim of Kubuntu is to be easy for beginners (and/or people coming from Windows). What I wrote would have been written very differently if I thought my audience was a newbie. On the other hand, some of those newbies are keeners and will grab anything they didn't understand from our post and google with it or perhaps, learn to read man pages. If nothing else, we can serve as examples by discussing things in public, I know in the beginning for me, I lurked and listened and learned, then read and read and read. It was harder to post in those days, unless one had a flame suit. ;-) The l33t did not suffer fools gladly. Naturally, it would be wonderful if everyone took OS classes, building a system with LFS would also be instructive but both those scenarios are unrealistic for people who just want a system to use and I can understand that. I choose to shoot for the top line, the motivated. BTW, are you sure a novice would even understand how to do what you wrote, many people have not yet learned to carve out a partition to act as backup, if I remember correctly what I have read around cyberspace. Since many people these days always want the very latest and greatest the "upgrade" will have to be crafted to work smoothly, preferably with one click or, horrors, automagically. :-) LOL, OMG! I used to be *horny* but, these days I usually just feel old and tired. Seriously, though, I'm surprised that gmail would filter that way, never had a problem pinging from this account to one of my other gmail accounts. Have you got gogles on? If you don't see my mail, no matter, you're not likely to need my help and some people think most of what I write is drivel anyway. Nice talking to you, thanks. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 11:11:58 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:11:58 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224352256.1374.104.camel@iam> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:50:56 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:54 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. >> >> >> >> How? It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades >> >> in the last decade. >> > >> > So software never breaks? I admit that when it happened to me it was >> > with SuSE long ago, but I'm not about to risk that again. >> >> Of course software breaks, and I've had it break badly enough that it's >> taken _days_ to get the system working again. I haven't, however, ever >> had an upgrade break badly enough that I'm "left with nothing". -- >> derek > > OTOH, it consumes a lot of brain cells during that process that many are > just not up to. When I tried updating to FC5 from FC4 UDEV broke horribly > and it seemed I was the only one experiencing the problem. I filed > bugzilla and no resolution came of it. In the end, I re-installed cleanly > and the problem went away. (It took udev about 5 minutes to churn on > bootup and it made me crazy in short order) Plus, I find a clean install > to be quicker from DVD than eating up my satellite. If you're fortunate > enough to have a fat pipe, an upgrade would make more sense. But to those > in rural areas with nothing more than a 56k modem connection, upgrading > would take forever and be highly prone to breakage from interruptions. > Jus' my two-cents worth, Ric Being one of those out here in a rural area with only access to a dialup, I can say you are correct, it sucks. I usually option the package manager to download only and then, several days later, when all the necessary debs have downloaded, I upgrade. That avoids interruption breakage but it's still slooooooow. From out here, it seems to me that *everyone* else has that fat pipe. :-( I suppose we all will eventually. Some of my friends are accustomed to me showing up to leach from their router. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 11:24:36 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:24:36 +0200 Subject: Text - menus etc much clearer under gnome om 8.10 Beta In-Reply-To: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> References: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <880dece00810190424r3bddc21fq2883efb623c5b785@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/19 Lindsay Mathieson : > Has anyone else noticed this? I have both the the gnome and kubuntu > desktop installed (Intrepid) and I find text in general - menus, > browsing, email is much more readable under gnome than kubuntu. This > applies to gnome and KDE4 programs - and I do have a complete set of MS > fonts installed. Have tried with Font smoothing on and off. > > I'd go further and say the Gnome buttons, icons, menus etc are much more > clearly defined. > > IMHO KDE looks much better - but after half an hour I'm getting > noticeable eyestrain. Its a relief and a disappointment to switch back > to gnome. > > > I did not find this with 7.10 / KDE3 > > NVidia 6100 - restricted drivers installed (and working) > Could you please post screenshots? As is, your post is very subjective but I would like to examine the issue further, providing that objective facts can be derived. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 19 11:37:53 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:37:53 +1000 Subject: Text - menus etc much clearer under gnome om 8.10 Beta In-Reply-To: <880dece00810190424r3bddc21fq2883efb623c5b785@mail.gmail.com> References: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> <880dece00810190424r3bddc21fq2883efb623c5b785@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810192137.54134.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:24:36 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > Could you please post screenshots? As is, your post is very subjective > but I would like to examine the issue further, providing that > objective facts can be derived. Certainly, probably tomorrow as its bed time here ... Does the list accept attachments? > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 18 14:05:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:05:50 -0300 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: <8579255.TonF9AX7Sf@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when > screen size is bigger than 2048 Ah! That's the limitation. I just knew that since I started a Xinerama setup I have't had GL. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 18 14:08:00 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:08:00 -0300 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: <1257911.C55nypVN4M@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >> >> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy >> at >> estimating project costs :-)  But if it's the first, count me in on the >> project! > > What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? GnuRomancer! > LOL > What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) Time!  But you say "would not even be that much code", and I'd love to believe you, but have my doubts. > So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating > balls of light in a large room? How do you differentiate between different balls of light?  Something must identify them. > When clicked on they blow up into a > full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for > movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the > mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast > switching. > > No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and > desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What > would it look like to you? I've always envisioned it something like a 3d cityscape, so there are roads to follow to get where you want to be, and buildings contain related collections.  That's probably too literal :-)  I like gravity.  I'm not sure quite what you'd do with it, but it adds a 4d sense as there's a time component > > I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run > software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need > something on top of that, whatever it was. Panda3d would, essentially, be your window manager. > > You really want to try this? I have no idea if I have the time but I'd love to try.  I've always wanted an interesting Window manager.  Remember Microsoft Bob? Everybody laughed, and nobody bought it, but I still think it was one of the best ideas MS has ever had. > Stick with Qt? I don't know, either. > Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program > from within Panda3d. I've never even looked at Panda but I can't see _that_ being a problem at all. > The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. Not really. It would be good, but not an absolute necessity for development. > So do you REALLY want to try it? You bet. The _real_ first step is to set up a project (sourceforge is simple) and a mailing list if we have more than two of us. Then _planning_ :-) What do we really want it to look like. -- derek From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Sun Oct 19 12:26:33 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:26:33 +0200 Subject: Text - menus etc much clearer under gnome om 8.10 Beta In-Reply-To: <200810192137.54134.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> <880dece00810190424r3bddc21fq2883efb623c5b785@mail.gmail.com> <200810192137.54134.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Lindsay, On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:24:36 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Could you please post screenshots? As is, your post is very subjective >> but I would like to examine the issue further, providing that >> objective facts can be derived. > > Certainly, probably tomorrow as its bed time here ... > > Does the list accept attachments? Probably not, but you can use http://www.imageshack.us for pictures and post the link to it. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 12:40:21 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:40:21 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: <1257911.C55nypVN4M@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1257911.C55nypVN4M@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton >> wrote: >>> Knapp wrote: >>> >>>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >>> >>> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy >>> at >>> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the >>> project! >> >> What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? > > GnuRomancer! Nice. >> LOL >> What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) > > Time! But you say "would not even be that much code", and I'd love to > believe you, but have my doubts. Roaming Ralph is an example of an interactive 3d guy running around on mountain/hills, depending if you come from Florida or not, with trees and rocks. 269 lines of code. So you would need to make a collision detection trigger a program. It has the detection in it now so you don't walk through the trees and rocks. >> So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating >> balls of light in a large room? > > How do you differentiate between different balls of light? Something must > identify them. Balls of light with names on them. :-) Really to do it right you need someone to go into Blender3d and make some nice whatevers to be the triggers. >> When clicked on they blow up into a >> full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for >> movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the >> mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast >> switching. >> >> No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and >> desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What >> would it look like to you? > > I've always envisioned it something like a 3d cityscape, so there are roads > to follow to get where you want to be, and buildings contain related > collections. That's probably too literal :-) I like gravity. I'm not > sure quite what you'd do with it, but it adds a 4d sense as there's a time > component Very easy to do, bit of 3d art work to make a nice city. But you would really be slowed down by having to walk all over to start a program. >> I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run >> software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need >> something on top of that, whatever it was. > > Panda3d would, essentially, be your window manager. Yes or at least a go between. >> >> You really want to try this? > > I have no idea if I have the time but I'd love to try. I've always wanted > an interesting Window manager. Remember Microsoft Bob? Everybody laughed, > and nobody bought it, but I still think it was one of the best ideas MS > has ever had. Never saw it. Just youtube it. Looks like my daughters learning program. Sort of funny. >> Stick with Qt? > > I don't know, either. This is a stupid idea but you could just rewrite all the software with python in Panda3d and have it REALLY be the desktop and X. > >> Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program >> from within Panda3d. > > I've never even looked at Panda but I can't see _that_ being a problem at > all. > >> The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. > > Not really. It would be good, but not an absolute necessity for > development. > >> So do you REALLY want to try it? > > You bet. The _real_ first step is to set up a project (sourceforge is > simple) and a mailing list if we have more than two of us. Then > _planning_ :-) What do we really want it to look like. > -- > derek I would be willing to join the project but not manage it. I have 2 projects that I manage now. I would recommend google for the project because you can have a listserv, web page and svn all knit together. http://code.google.com First thing you should do is get panda3d installed and run Roaming Ralph. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Oct 19 13:46:13 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:46:13 +0200 Subject: Administrator Mode in Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 In-Reply-To: <48FB0D9E.9080300@paulhurley.co.uk> References: <48FB0D9E.9080300@paulhurley.co.uk> Message-ID: <200810191546.13790.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Sunday 19 October 2008 12:36, Paul Hurley wrote: > Hey. > > After my venerable M300 lappie died and was reborn recently, I rebuilt > it with 8.04 and KDE4. Things are going ok, but one niggle is that > system settings doesn't have an administrator mode button any more. I > want to do things like set my system to login automatically, which was > easy in KDE3. > Thanks > > Paul. Hi Paul. I can't help with the missing button, but if you want to set up the autologin, and have a bit of practice on the command line at the same time, try the following. (By the way, I don't have KDE4 on my HH 8.04, but stuff below should still be ok) sudo kate, then navigate to /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc. Click on "View" on Kate, and on the line "Show Line Numbers". Scroll down to line 539, which should read, # Enable automatic login. USE WITH EXTREME CARE!, if your on the correct line. Remove the # from the start of line 541, so that it reads, AutoLoginEnable=true Now on line 551, remove the # from the line #AutoLoginUser=fred, and change "fred" for your user name, unless it is fred. Save the changes, and that should be job done. Read all the lines well from line 539 to the end of the file. If you have more than one user set up on the machine, you should uncomment line 548 as well, which should result in the greeter being shown for 10secs, giving you a chance to choose a different user to login. You probably know all the above, but just in case. All the best. Nigel. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 13:56:01 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:56:01 +0100 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> Message-ID: <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Sunday 19 October 2008 12:00:08 Thorny wrote: > Seriously, though, I'm surprised that gmail would filter that way, > never had a problem pinging from this account to one of my other gmail > accounts. Have you got gogles on? If you don't see my mail, no matter, > you're not likely to need my help and some people think most of what I > write is drivel anyway. Gmail has been binning some of your emails on my account as well. But not all, which is very odd. I just rescue them. Gmail's spam filter has been playing up recently. I am getting more spam coming through. Still not a lot, but I would rather have none. And it filtered as spam the communications from my granddaughter's parents telling us which day and which flight she was arriving on from Japan. Lisi From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 17:45:53 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:45:53 +0200 Subject: Brainstorm: Gnome-like support for KDE in *buntu. Message-ID: <880dece00810191045p4ece1464q202f81e8a65eaa13@mail.gmail.com> All Kubuntu users should take a look at this brainstorm: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/ If you are not yet a brainstorm member, this thread is reason enough to sign up. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 20:30:56 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:30:56 +0200 Subject: Anyone have a 64 bit Dillo 2 deb for 8.04? Message-ID: Subject says it all. OR know how to make one? Is it hard? Any idea of when it will make it into the repos? Thanks. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 19 21:13:00 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:13:00 +1000 Subject: Text - menus etc much clearer under gnome om 8.10 Beta - screenshots In-Reply-To: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> References: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48FBA2DC.9010505@optusnet.com.au> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Has anyone else noticed this? I have both the the gnome and kubuntu > desktop installed (Intrepid) and I find text in general - menus, > browsing, email is much more readable under gnome than kubuntu. This > applies to gnome and KDE4 programs - and I do have a complete set of MS > fonts installed. Have tried with Font smoothing on and off. > > I'd go further and say the Gnome buttons, icons, menus etc are much more > clearly defined. > > IMHO KDE looks much better - but after half an hour I'm getting > noticeable eyestrain. Its a relief and a disappointment to switch back > to gnome. > > > I did not find this with 7.10 / KDE3 > > NVidia 6100 - restricted drivers installed (and working) > Thunderbird on KDE4 http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5946/thunderbirdkde4dw5.png Thunderbird on Gnome http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/70/thunderbirdgnomehk3.png Note: The font settings are the same for Thunderbird on KDE and Gnom. KMail on KDE4 http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2592/kmailkde4qj0.png -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 19 22:27:42 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:27:42 +1000 Subject: Text - menus etc much clearer under gnome om 8.10 Beta - screenshots In-Reply-To: <48FBA2DC.9010505@optusnet.com.au> References: <48FB1119.1090807@optusnet.com.au> <48FBA2DC.9010505@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48FBB45E.6060602@optusnet.com.au> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Thunderbird on KDE4 > http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5946/thunderbirdkde4dw5.png > > Thunderbird on Gnome > http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/70/thunderbirdgnomehk3.png > > Note: The font settings are the same for Thunderbird on KDE and Gnom. > > KMail on KDE4 > http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2592/kmailkde4qj0.png > > > > I should add that I changed window managers for the respective sessions - gdm for Gnome, kdm for KDE and reboot to change. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 08:49:08 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:49:08 +0200 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <8579255.TonF9AX7Sf@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Derek Broughton wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> >> I ment the intell chip does not support 3d (gl) on two monitors when >> screen size is bigger than 2048 > > Ah! That's the limitation. I just knew that since I started a Xinerama > setup I have't had GL. very pity, yes. I received this notbook from the company, so couldn't say what exactly I need inside and indeed for business it's ok, but after I found out this 3d limit I was really speechless. cheers From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 11:00:04 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:00:04 +0200 Subject: if you don't like the kickoff menu Message-ID: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main wish it existed for kde3.... From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 11:48:07 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:48:07 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:56:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Gmail has been binning some of your emails on my account as well. But not > all, which is very odd. I just rescue them. > > Gmail's spam filter has been playing up recently. I am getting more spam > coming through. Still not a lot, but I would rather have none. And it > filtered as spam the communications from my granddaughter's parents > telling us which day and which flight she was arriving on from Japan. > Wow Lisi, that's a surprise. As I mentioned, pings (in this case meaning test messages not ICMP packets) from this account to to my other gmail accounts do not end up in junk. If someone is filtering on words, it is my understanding google goggles can do that, perhaps it's some of the words I'm using. That's the best explanation I can come up with without more data. From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 12:00:54 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:00:54 -0400 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been reading some of the emails referring to KDE4 both in Hardy > and the forthcoming Intrepid version. At the moment I am using Kubuntu > Gutsy. This made me look out for another Window Manager. > > I had a look at several and at the moment I am using Fluxbox with Thunar > file manager. I like this combination. Are there any experts on either, > or both, out there who have any comments, suggestions etc. Thunar is the default for xfce as well. It doesn't do network browsing. IMO, it is among the things that make xubuntu a poor choice. To do a lot of things in xfce, you need to run the gnome stuff that is installed in xubuntu. If you going to run gnome under xfce, why not just run gnome. That said, I like fluxbox for low powered machines and when I need a gui on a server. For servers I install fluxbox or IceWM, and webmin and do everything through the browser. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 19 20:47:41 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:47:41 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224352256.1374.104.camel@iam> Message-ID: <4943431.ikflbPWkTN@cedar.serverforest.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:54 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday 15 October 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> > 4) If the upgrade goes bad, you are left with nothing. >> >> >> >> How? It's _never_ happened to me, and I've botched a lot of upgrades >> >> in the last decade. >> > >> > So software never breaks? I admit that when it happened to me it was >> > with SuSE long ago, but I'm not about to risk that again. >> >> Of course software breaks, and I've had it break badly enough that it's >> taken _days_ to get the system working again. I haven't, however, ever >> had an upgrade break badly enough that I'm "left with nothing". > > OTOH, it consumes a lot of brain cells during that process that many are > just not up to. I don't disagree. I don't object to anybody choosing to do fresh installs if that's what they prefer - and I've argued that I don't agree that it's a Windows-style activity. A fresh install in Linux is much more capable of using parts of a previous install than Windows upgrades. Still, I've never had an upgrade actually leave me "with nothing". > When I tried updating to FC5 from FC4 UDEV broke horribly Let's not compare apples to oranges. An Ubuntu (or any Debian-based distro) upgrade is nothing like a Fedora upgrade. > Plus, I find a > clean install to be quicker from DVD than eating up my satellite. If you've got a DVD, you can do an upgrade too, so that's not a valid argument. The DVD provides a local repository. -- derek From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 14:52:22 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:52:22 +0400 Subject: if you don't like the kickoff menu In-Reply-To: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> References: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FC9B26.5010009@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main > > wish it existed for kde3.... > > have you tried tasty menu? >sudo apt-get install tastymenu then add this applet to your panel. It's quite similar. From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Oct 20 15:06:10 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:06:10 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> Art Alexion wrote: > Thunar is the default for xfce as well. It doesn't do network > browsing. IMO, it is among the things that make xubuntu a poor > choice. To do a lot of things in xfce, you need to run the gnome > stuff that is installed in xubuntu. If you going to run gnome under > xfce, why not just run gnome. > Yes, I realise that thunar does not do network browsing. In KDE I use Konqueror as my file manager. I know that konqueror is also a web browser but I never use it for that. And, of course, in fluxbox I can use konqueror if I want to. And I never use Gnome at all. > That said, I like fluxbox for low powered machines and when I need a > gui on a server. For servers I install fluxbox or IceWM, and webmin > and do everything through the browser. > That sounds interesting. I will have a look at IceWM. Neil From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 15:31:15 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:31:15 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:56:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Gmail has been binning some of your emails on my account as well. But not > all, which is very odd. I just rescue them. > > Gmail's spam filter has been playing up recently. I am getting more spam > coming through. Still not a lot, but I would rather have none. And it > filtered as spam the communications from my granddaughter's parents > telling us which day and which flight she was arriving on from Japan. > > Lisi Wow Lisi, that's a surprise. As I mentioned, pings (in this case meaning test messages not ICMP packets) from this account to to my other gmail accounts do not end up in junk. If someone is filtering on words, it is my understanding google goggles can do that, perhaps it's some of the words I'm using. That's the best explanation I can come up with without more data. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 16:10:04 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:10:04 +0300 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FCAD5C.5060608@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:56:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> Gmail has been binning some of your emails on my account as well. But not >> all, which is very odd. I just rescue them. >> >> Gmail's spam filter has been playing up recently. I am getting more spam >> coming through. Still not a lot, but I would rather have none. And it >> filtered as spam the communications from my granddaughter's parents >> telling us which day and which flight she was arriving on from Japan. >> >> Lisi > > Wow Lisi, that's a surprise. As I mentioned, pings (in this case meaning > test messages not ICMP packets) from this account to to my other gmail > accounts do not end up in junk. If someone is filtering on words, it is my > understanding google goggles can do that, perhaps it's some of the words > I'm using. That's the best explanation I can come up with without more > data. > > > thorny, are you using some smtp server other than gmail's? some unofficial smtp server? after noticing ur mail in spam, i checked the web interface, it said that your email can not be verified that is actually coming from the claimed sender (you). that's why i thought that you might be sending from other than the smtp server of google. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 20 16:15:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:15:38 -0300 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: <1257911.C55nypVN4M@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <10845940.iIZ0WlSd1u@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> I have no idea if I have the time but I'd love to try. I've always >> wanted >> an interesting Window manager. Remember Microsoft Bob? Everybody >> laughed, and nobody bought it, but I still think it was one of the best >> ideas MS has ever had. > > Never saw it. Just youtube it. Looks like my daughters learning > program. Sort of funny. It must have come out around the same time as Neuromancer, and I saw the potential, but it was primitive, and it was certainly not 3d. > >>> Stick with Qt? >> >> I don't know, either. > > This is a stupid idea but you could just rewrite all the software with > python in Panda3d and have it REALLY be the desktop and X. The "software" would be pointless. It's not 3d, anyway. And there's no need to change X - that's doing the job of actually rendering windows, but I see no reason that Panda couldn't be your desktop. > >> >>> Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program >>> from within Panda3d. >> >> I've never even looked at Panda but I can't see _that_ being a problem at >> all. >> >> You bet. The _real_ first step is to set up a project (sourceforge is >> simple) and a mailing list if we have more than two of us. Then >> _planning_ :-) What do we really want it to look like. > > I would be willing to join the project but not manage it. I have 2 > projects that I manage now. I would recommend google for the project > because you can have a listserv, web page and svn all knit together. > http://code.google.com Sourceforge, google, it makes little difference... > > First thing you should do is get panda3d installed and run Roaming Ralph. Yes. -- derek From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 16:53:37 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:53:37 -0400 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Monday 20 October 2008 11:06:10 am Neil Winchurst wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > Thunar is the default for xfce as well.  It doesn't do network > > browsing.  IMO, it is among the things that make xubuntu a poor > > choice.  To do a lot of things in xfce, you need to run the gnome > > stuff that is installed in xubuntu.  If you going to run gnome under > > xfce, why not just run gnome. > > Yes, I realise that thunar does not do network browsing. In KDE I use > Konqueror as my file manager. I know that konqueror is also a web > browser but I never use it for that. And, of course, in fluxbox I can > use konqueror if I want to. And I never use Gnome at all. Neil, I am not sure what you are doing, but for what it's worth: People generally choose the lighter WMs to preserve resources taken up by the bigger environments like Gnome and KDE. But if you run a KDE app, like Konqueror, under xfce or fluxbox, it loads the KDE libs in order to function. So now, you are not only using the substantial resources that KDE alone uses, but you are using them on top of the smaller, but still significant, fluxbox resources. Now there are gnome programs that load gnome libs, and GTK programs that only load gtk+ libs. I am not sure about KDE, but I assume that qt programs (as opposed to full blown KDE programs) only load qt libs. So, if you are going to run gnome, or KDE, apps regularly, you are better off running them under gnome or KDE than running them under Fluxbox. 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URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 17:00:01 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:00:01 -0400 Subject: USB HDD and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810181816.54018.kassube@gmx.net> References: <27308d500810161430t7448fa61ga3d5d6fa1b45593d@mail.gmail.com> <200810181816.54018.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810201000l2697dba8i790cd6ef513eb872@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Luca wrote: >> Every time I turn on the laptop and a USB external hard drive is >> connected the GUI asked me to open the disk content. >> One of the last time I did it I also check the command that say >> "always do this for this media". >> >> The problem now is that very ofter the USD device isn't loaded at all, >> and the only way to reconnect it is to turn off and on the disk >> itself. >> >> Also (not so ofter) when I begin to access the disk I get disconnected >> by Dolphin. > > I'm not sure what you mean with "I get disconnected by Dolphin". Does > dolphin crash or is the disk suddenly unmounted? > I get ad hoc USB unmounts as well. Usually when the device has been idle for a while. I don't use dolphin, so I don't think that is the culprit. I don't have the problem with gnome, so I think it is a KDE thing. As it usually happens with the storage has been idle, it is not usually a problem to reconnect it when I need it. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 17:02:57 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:02:57 -0400 Subject: broken message in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200810181650.06896.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810181650.06896.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810201002n37658a8v78e39ff09bd7cc7e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Peter Klaassen wrote: > How can one get ride a broken message in the in box. > It can not be deleted, copied or moved. > the moment you try something the messageheader is display > with a horizontal line through it. > > after reentering the in box the horizontal line is gone, > but still no changes or deletions are possible. > > any suggestions? You didn't say POP or IMAP. If IMAP, try accessing through webmail if you can and delete the message from there. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From fred.schaer at free.fr Mon Oct 20 19:08:50 2008 From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:08:50 +0200 Subject: if you don't like the kickoff menu In-Reply-To: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> References: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FCD742.7060003@free.fr> Hi, Thanks ! I just need to find how to re-order favorites now (can't both with krunner and lancelot ??) :] O. Sinclair a écrit : > http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main > > wish it existed for kde3.... > > From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 02:37:01 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:37:01 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <4943431.ikflbPWkTN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224352256.1374.104.camel@iam> <4943431.ikflbPWkTN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1224556621.12643.201.camel@iam> On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 17:47 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > When I tried updating to FC5 from FC4 UDEV broke horribly > > Let's not compare apples to oranges. An Ubuntu (or any Debian-based distro) > upgrade is nothing like a Fedora upgrade. How so? People make mistakes 15% of the time as a statistical average. Mistakes will happen. To me there is far less chance of breakage if I install clean, then add the bits I need from my old install to the new one, at my speed, that are not included in the new install (original work). So, I don't see an Apple VS Oranges here. If I were Joe Lunchbucket with little more to lose than email and some Firefox links, that would be one thing. But, with quite a bit of time invested in my work, I just play it cautious ...and do it the way I prefer. > > Plus, I find a > > clean install to be quicker from DVD than eating up my satellite. > > If you've got a DVD, you can do an upgrade too, so that's not a valid > argument. I don't get that. Upgrading and Installing Clean are two different approaches. With the former you are shoe-horning new packages into and over top of an old install. With the latter there is no trace of the former install, at all. No conflicts, nor potential for conflicts unless the install is flawed to begin with. > The DVD provides a local repository. I like that, you had to jump through a couple of hoops to enable that with Fedora. With Kunbuntu I just click on a check-box. Sweet! Don't get me wrong, I love the Fedora folks. The breakneck speed of development finally just plain wore me out. I'm hitting 60 soon enough and enjoy keeping it simple. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 02:42:56 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:42:56 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1224313612.1374.93.camel@iam> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> Message-ID: <1224556976.12643.206.camel@iam> On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 04:00 -0700, Thorny wrote: > BTW, are you sure a novice would even understand how to do what you wrote, > many people have not yet learned to carve out a partition to act as > backup, if I remember correctly what I have read around cyberspace. Since > many people these days always want the very latest and greatest the > "upgrade" will have to be crafted to work smoothly, preferably with one > click or, horrors, automagically. :-) LOL, OMG! Prolly not, Linux does have a way of teaching things that come out of the blue! > I used to be *horny* but, these days I usually just feel old and > tired. Ha! Gene and I rant about that situation quite a bit on the Mandrake OT list. > Seriously, though, I'm surprised that gmail would filter that way, > never had a problem pinging from this account to one of my other gmail > accounts. Have you got gogles on? Nope, don't even know what it is. > If you don't see my mail, no matter, > you're not likely to need my help and some people think most of what I > write is drivel anyway. Drivel is good and has it's place. Besides, one never knows from whence their deliverance may come. It may just come from you when I get into a jam. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 02:45:47 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:45:47 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224557147.12643.210.camel@iam> On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 14:56 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 19 October 2008 12:00:08 Thorny wrote: > > Seriously, though, I'm surprised that gmail would filter that way, > > never had a problem pinging from this account to one of my other gmail > > accounts. Have you got gogles on? If you don't see my mail, no matter, > > you're not likely to need my help and some people think most of what I > > write is drivel anyway. > > Gmail has been binning some of your emails on my account as well. But not > all, which is very odd. I just rescue them. > > Gmail's spam filter has been playing up recently. I am getting more spam > coming through. Still not a lot, but I would rather have none. And it > filtered as spam the communications from my granddaughter's parents telling > us which day and which flight she was arriving on from Japan. Russian women through those marriage agencies manage to get through on mine, more than any other. Maybe I should just marry one to find out how?? I'm too chicken to click on Elena to see what she looks like. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Oct 21 06:50:37 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:50:37 +0300 Subject: strigi search in intrepid? Message-ID: <48FD7BBD.90203@akl.lt> Hi, is there a way to use strigi search in Kubuntu Intrepid / kde4.1.2? the strigiapplet currently opens konqueror window, which does not support strigi:/ protocol. Donatas G. From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Oct 21 08:17:19 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:17:19 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> >> Art Alexion wrote: > > Neil, I am not sure what you are doing, but for what it's worth: > > People generally choose the lighter WMs to preserve resources taken up by the > bigger environments like Gnome and KDE. But if you run a KDE app, like > Konqueror, under xfce or fluxbox, it loads the KDE libs in order to function. > So now, you are not only using the substantial resources that KDE alone uses, > but you are using them on top of the smaller, but still significant, fluxbox > resources. > I was looking at an alternative to KDE partly to see what is out there. It is not lack of resources, I have a fast computer with a huge HD and two GB of RAM. It is just that, reading some of the comments about KDE4, I am wondering if it is all getting too heavy for my needs. I know I said that it is possible to run KDE apps under Fluxbox, but it is not something I would normally do. Only on the odd occasion if I had not yet found the Fluxbox way of doing something. > Now there are gnome programs that load gnome libs, and GTK programs that only > load gtk+ libs. I am not sure about KDE, but I assume that qt programs (as > opposed to full blown KDE programs) only load qt libs. > > So, if you are going to run gnome, or KDE, apps regularly, you are better off > running them under gnome or KDE than running them under Fluxbox. If you only > run them rarely, that's another story. > > Yes, very occasionally and hopefully eventually not at all. I am using Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment and I am still wary of trying out Hardy, let alone Intrepid. I suspect that it is all getting a bit too heavy for me and my needs, especially KDE in its new version. Anyway, that is why I was trying out various window managers. Neil From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Oct 21 08:24:08 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:24:08 +0300 Subject: knetworkmanager and ppp support in intrepid Message-ID: <48FD91A8.6050604@akl.lt> Does anyone understand how to manage the ppp connections in Kubuntu Intrepid? I had a way to do that through KNetworkManager in Hardy, but now it seems to be missing entirely... NetworkManager 0.7, included in Intrepid, claims to support ppp interface management (that includes 3G mobile connections) - a thing badly needed in Kubuntu. Knetworkmanager in Kubuntu 8.04 had rudimentary ppp connection support (it acted as a gui for ifup), but now the new version of Knetworkmanager in Intrepid is missing even that rudimentary support. Or maybe I do not find it? Donatas From browny254 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 08:50:17 2008 From: browny254 at gmail.com (browny) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Widgets not working Message-ID: <20085981.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi, I upgraded to kde 4 a week or so ago and tried installing a few new widgets but couldnt get any to work, but since then most of my default widgets no longer work. On the main panel the show desktop/dashboard and minimize all windows widgets no longer appear (probably more but those are the 3 I have tried using), instead its just a blank space and when you right click on that space the menu that pops up mentions it being an unknown applet. Infact the Show Dashboard widget does not even appear in my list of widgets to select from anymore. Also when I tried and add widgets to the desktop the only ones that work are the folder view (which I added before I had problems, but others that I was using before having problems no longer work either). Whenever I add new widgets they just appear as a little circle in the top left corner of the screen (this happens for the Binary clock, calculator and comic strip (possibly more) while the analog clock and battery monitor do work). Anyone know how I can get this back to normal, or what I can do to post some info that may be more helpful? Also another problem I have had that started the same time as the widget problems was my Alt-Tab window switcher isnt working correctly. I had it set to use the Vista like one, but now when I do it all it does is cycle through windows in order instantly (ie i cant hold down alt-tab and select what window i want to go it but I have to flick through all). Thanks for any help anyone can give. Cheers. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Widgets-not-working-tp20085981p20085981.html Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 21 09:26:33 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:26:33 +1000 Subject: Widgets not working In-Reply-To: <20085981.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20085981.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48FDA049.9000809@optusnet.com.au> browny wrote: > Hi, I upgraded to kde 4 a week or so ago and tried installing a few new > widgets but couldnt get any to work, but since then most of my default > widgets no longer work. > Did you change your default colour scheme? I found a lot of my widgets vanished after that. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 09:45:05 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:45:05 -0700 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1224313612.1374.93.camel@iam> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <1224556976.12643.206.camel@iam> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:42:56 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 04:00 -0700, Thorny wrote: > > Ha! Gene and I rant about that situation quite a bit on the Mandrake OT > list. > Bingo, now I think I place your name, the Mandrake newsgroup. I bailed when they lost the wand, the blue hat and wand were what attracted me in the first place. I've nymshifted since then. > Drivel is good and has it's place. Besides, one never knows from whence > their deliverance may come. It may just come from you when I get into a > jam. :) Ric If you do I'd be glad to help if I am able. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 10:16:15 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:16:15 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu Message-ID: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 10:24:15 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:24:15 +0100 Subject: Intrepid install disk problem - bluetooth hangs on boot Message-ID: <48FDADCF.2040201@tiscali.co.uk> I decided that as there is a major change of version for KDE, I'd reinstall rather than upgrade. I downloaded the files (both the amd-64 and the i386) for the live CD and tried to boot into the live version to see what it looked like. It hangs for a couple of minutes while it tries to configure my network card (which I don't use) and then zips through to near the end of the boot sequence and hangs on the bluetooth. As far as I know, I don't have any bluetooth stuff in my computer but it hangs for at least 5 minutes (I don't have patience to wait any longer). Is there any way to say "ignore bluetooth" to the boot process so I can get to the end and see the desktop? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 10:43:49 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:43:49 -0400 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> Yes, very occasionally and hopefully eventually not at all. I am using > Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment and I am still wary of trying out Hardy, let > alone Intrepid. I suspect that it is all getting a bit too heavy for me > and my needs, especially KDE in its new version. Hardy was a great uppgrade. No reason not to upgrade if you are using gutsy. I understand the same is true of the non-KDE Intrepids. > > Anyway, that is why I was trying out various window managers. Try IceWM and AfterStep as well. Also, there is xubuntu. > > Neil > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From browny254 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 10:47:17 2008 From: browny254 at gmail.com (browny) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Widgets not working In-Reply-To: <48FDA049.9000809@optusnet.com.au> References: <20085981.post@talk.nabble.com> <48FDA049.9000809@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20087704.post@talk.nabble.com> I may have changed it to look at the others, but I would have put it back to the default right away as thats what I have been using. Most of the default widgets on the panel are still working, App launcher, Pager, Task Manager, System tray, Dig clock and Battery monitor all work, and I have added Lancelot since and that works. The widgets I tried installing included Quicklauncher, Prettytasks, Qalculate, Quickaccess and Email notify. I got to the make or the make install stage for each of them before I had problems. So I dont know if something I have done there may have affected things. blackpaw wrote: > > browny wrote: >> Hi, I upgraded to kde 4 a week or so ago and tried installing a few new >> widgets but couldnt get any to work, but since then most of my default >> widgets no longer work. >> > > Did you change your default colour scheme? I found a lot of my widgets > vanished after that. > > > > -- > Lindsay > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Widgets-not-working-tp20085981p20087704.html Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 10:56:50 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:56:50 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> This is something I would really like, but I question the voting process. The developers participating in the last thread seemed really offended by the whole concept of users demanding features (or resources) without contributing code. Some projects, notably kmymoney, kdepim and tellico, have very responsive develpers, but the core KDE developers seem to have a siege mentality, perhaps precipitated by the criticism or KDE 4 which they have worked hard to develop. Of course, they made some decisions that insured the criticism, deserved or not. But in the current climate, "voting" on core components and features seems fruitless, and perhaps counterproductive. 2008/10/21 Dotan Cohen : > Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps > on Kubuntu) > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Oct 21 10:58:28 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:58:28 +0200 Subject: Widgets not working In-Reply-To: <20087704.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20085981.post@talk.nabble.com> <48FDA049.9000809@optusnet.com.au> <20087704.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Browny, On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM, browny wrote: > > I may have changed it to look at the others, but I would have put it back to > the default right away as thats what I have been using. > > Most of the default widgets on the panel are still working, App launcher, > Pager, Task Manager, System tray, Dig clock and Battery monitor all work, > and I have added Lancelot since and that works. > > The widgets I tried installing included Quicklauncher, Prettytasks, > Qalculate, Quickaccess and Email notify. I got to the make or the make > install stage for each of them before I had problems. So I dont know if > something I have done there may have affected things. This highly depends on your KDE 4 version: be sure tu run at least 4.1.2 Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Oct 21 11:01:37 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:01:37 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDB691.1090109@drofle.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >>> Yes, very occasionally and hopefully eventually not at all. I am using >> Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment and I am still wary of trying out Hardy, let >> alone Intrepid. I suspect that it is all getting a bit too heavy for me >> and my needs, especially KDE in its new version. > > Hardy was a great uppgrade. No reason not to upgrade if you are using > gutsy. I understand the same is true of the non-KDE Intrepids. > > > >> Anyway, that is why I was trying out various window managers. > > Try IceWM and AfterStep as well. Also, there is xubuntu. > > Yes, I am trying that out also. Seems pretty good too. I suppose I must choose one and concentrate on it. Neil From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Oct 21 11:03:13 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:03:13 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDB6F1.5000408@drofle.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >>> Yes, very occasionally and hopefully eventually not at all. I am using >> Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment and I am still wary of trying out Hardy, let >> alone Intrepid. I suspect that it is all getting a bit too heavy for me >> and my needs, especially KDE in its new version. > > Hardy was a great uppgrade. No reason not to upgrade if you are using > gutsy. I understand the same is true of the non-KDE Intrepids. > > > >> Anyway, that is why I was trying out various window managers. > > Try IceWM and AfterStep as well. Also, there is xubuntu. > > Yes, I am trying that out also. Seems pretty good too. I suppose I must choose one and concentrate on it. And I am thinking of adding Hardy as a dual boot on my computer. I have plenty of room. Neil From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:07:52 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:07:52 +0200 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? Message-ID: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something not to bother with? I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on the Kubuntu list. Thoughts? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:09:57 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:09:57 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> If there is an eee ubuntu list where I should have posted this, please redirect me, but I know the issue has been dealt with here before. I am being driven nuts by the tap to click feature. I have installed gsynaptics, and made the following changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" Option "SHMConfig" "true" Option "MaxTapTime" "0" Option "MaxTapMove" "0" EndSection The last three lines being added to enable the synaptics app, and turn it off universally via xorg.conf. Neither has seemed to work. I suspect that the problem is that X is no longer controlling the X configuration in *ubuntu. Any and all helo and suggestions will be appreciated. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:16:25 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:16:25 +0200 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Knapp wrote: > Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? > Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something > not to bother with? I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on > the Kubuntu list. > Thoughts? Sorry, I have no idea how I emailed this here! :-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 11:25:33 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:25:33 +0100 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48FDBC2D.6010108@tiscali.co.uk> Knapp wrote: > Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? > Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something > not to bother with? I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on > the Kubuntu list. > Thoughts? > > erm... this *is* the Kubuntu list... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 21 11:27:52 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:27:52 -0500 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810200500w40e8026dq1ec7c9e21da19d31@mail.gmail.com> <48FC9E62.6080803@drofle.com> <200810201253.42629.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48FDBCB8.9080105@swbell.net> On 10/21/2008 Neil Winchurst wrote: > Yes, very occasionally and hopefully eventually not at all. I am using > Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment and I am still wary of trying out Hardy, > let alone Intrepid. I suspect that it is all getting a bit too heavy for > me and my needs, especially KDE in its new version. IMHO , 8.04 with KDE3.5.9/10 is quite good. A few of the niggly little problems I had with 7.10 got fixed somewhere along the line. If I was you I would grab it before it goes away. 8.04/3.5.10 is going to be my OS of choice for the foreseeable future. I had an extra hard drive available so I installed 8.10/4.x to play with till KDE 4.x grows up a little more, or I figure out how to make it do what I want. Whichever comes first. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:28:53 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:28:53 -0400 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810210428p394336c3padc36b9dfaeca651@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Knapp wrote: > Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? > Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something > not to bother with? I have not updated my Ubuntu desktop or laptop, but I am only hearing good things from co-workers who have. Same is true of Xubuntu. > I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on > the Kubuntu list. This is the Kubuntu list, isn't it? > Thoughts? > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 21 11:36:35 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:36:35 -0500 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDBEC3.9040901@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps > on Kubuntu) > > OK, time for my ignorance to poke out again. What is this "file chooser" and what does it do. I'm not sure I understand the issue. Sorry to be so ignorant but I am trying to learn. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:43:27 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:43:27 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48FDBEC3.9040901@swbell.net> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <48FDBEC3.9040901@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810210443p656ba61cp90eea268c3745b58@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps >> on Kubuntu) >> >> > > OK, time for my ignorance to poke out again. What is this "file chooser" > and what does it do. I'm not sure I understand the issue. I assumed he was referring to the shared file open and save as dialogs. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:59:47 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:59:47 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810210459s4f56af77p581e81a6a068d441@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Art Alexion : > This is something I would really like, but I question the voting > process. The developers participating in the last thread seemed > really offended by the whole concept of users demanding features (or > resources) without contributing code. > > Some projects, notably kmymoney, kdepim and tellico, have very > responsive develpers, but the core KDE developers seem to have a siege > mentality, perhaps precipitated by the criticism or KDE 4 which they > have worked hard to develop. > > Of course, they made some decisions that insured the criticism, > deserved or not. But in the current climate, "voting" on core > components and features seems fruitless, and perhaps > counterproductive. > Which thread was that? I have filed literally hundreds of wish-bugs at KDE, *buntus, Fedora, Open Office, Mozilla, Zim, and other Bug Trackers, and have seen many of my ideas implemented. Regarding voting, the forum that I linked to is an official Ubuntu forum designed just for end users to vote on what they want. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 12:00:25 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:00:25 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48FDBEC3.9040901@swbell.net> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <48FDBEC3.9040901@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00810210500i2403bcbdnc4012488e4d09195@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Billie Walsh : > OK, time for my ignorance to poke out again. What is this "file chooser" > and what does it do. I'm not sure I understand the issue. > Open / Save dialogs. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 21 12:22:21 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:22:21 -0500 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210500i2403bcbdnc4012488e4d09195@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <48FDBEC3.9040901@swbell.net> <880dece00810210500i2403bcbdnc4012488e4d09195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDC97D.1080507@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/21 Billie Walsh : > >> OK, time for my ignorance to poke out again. What is this "file chooser" >> and what does it do. I'm not sure I understand the issue. >> >> > > Open / Save dialogs. > > Thanks to everyone else also. I guess I never thought about it actually having a name. Just used it. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From dave at thefletchers.net Tue Oct 21 12:48:52 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:48:52 +0100 Subject: Open Office 3.0 Impress bullet points broken? Message-ID: <001b01c9337b$5eee2870$1cca7950$@net> Is anybody Open Office 3.0 presentation software? Specifically, bullet points in text frames? Unfortunately I have to use XP at work, and the bullet points facility in the XP version seems pretty fouled up. I can't get points to go in at all. When I run version 2.4 with a Kubuntu Hardy VM under vmware, it works just fine. If I copy that file back to XP then open it with version 3.0, it places bullet points from the first line in a text frame, even though it was saved by the 2.4 version with bullets starting at the second or third paragraph. Just wondering if anybody else has problems with this. Dave From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 12:52:53 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:52:53 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:56, Art Alexion wrote: > Some projects, notably kmymoney, kdepim and tellico, have very > responsive develpers, but the core KDE developers seem to have a siege > mentality, perhaps precipitated by the criticism or KDE 4 which they > have worked hard to develop. Even though bashing on the KDE developers seems to be the new hype from what I've been reading here... Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying 'hacks' for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? > But in the current climate, "voting" on core components and features seems > fruitless, and perhaps counterproductive. Honestly, they would be 100% right to deny feature requests that doesn't even concern their project at all. -- Gordon. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 13:04:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:04:48 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <880dece00810210604q28debcc8sb3dbaab3b3526a30@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:56, Art Alexion wrote: > >> Some projects, notably kmymoney, kdepim and tellico, have very >> responsive develpers, but the core KDE developers seem to have a siege >> mentality, perhaps precipitated by the criticism or KDE 4 which they >> have worked hard to develop. > > Even though bashing on the KDE developers seems to be the new hype from > what I've been reading here... > Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using > QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying 'hacks' > for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? > They shouldn't. This is a Kubuntu wish, not a KDE wish. >> But in the current climate, "voting" on core components and features seems >> fruitless, and perhaps counterproductive. > Honestly, they would be 100% right to deny feature requests that doesn't > even concern their project at all. This concerns the Kubuntu project, not the KDE project. As Kubuntu has integration of GTK apps (you can install them from the default repos) thus the integration lies with them. I have not noticed the dev-bashing, so I am obviously not participating in the right threads. I happen to greatly appreciate the KDE devs and the Kubuntu devs. I have not a bad work for either of them. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From slewin at bmts.com Tue Oct 21 13:14:21 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:14:21 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDD5AD.2020904@bmts.com> I'm in the same boat here I have been trying to turn off the tapping "feature" on the synaptics touchpad for some time now. I have not been able to to so yet in intrepid as Gsynaptics won't work and ksynaptics seems to have disapeared from the repositories. I tried touchfreeze, but that does nothing either and it is really getting me angury as twice in writing this message the touch clicked off my writing. -- Your friend, Scott. http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 13:23:31 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:23:31 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210604q28debcc8sb3dbaab3b3526a30@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210604q28debcc8sb3dbaab3b3526a30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021132331.GA27147@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:04, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using > > QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying 'hacks' > > for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? > > > > They shouldn't. This is a Kubuntu wish, not a KDE wish. I agree with you voicing this feature request towards Kubuntu developers and I see its usefulness in that regard. My reply was directed towards Art who was turning it against the KDE developers being stubborn not implementing these kinds of requests. -- Gordon. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 13:29:11 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:29:11 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FDD5AD.2020904@bmts.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <48FDD5AD.2020904@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48FDD927.8070207@gmail.com> Scott wrote: > I'm in the same boat here I have been trying to turn off the tapping > "feature" on the synaptics touchpad for some time now. I have not been > able to to so yet in intrepid as Gsynaptics won't work and ksynaptics > seems to have disapeared from the repositories. I tried touchfreeze, > but that does nothing either and it is really getting me angury as twice > in writing this message the touch clicked off my writing. > try this: add this line Option "MaxTapTime" "2" to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11), it disables the tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. Sinclair From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 13:34:14 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:34:14 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:09, Art Alexion wrote: > I am being driven nuts by the tap to click feature. I have installed > gsynaptics, and made the following changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: [...] Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? -- Gordon. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:02:46 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:02:46 +0200 Subject: post kernel 2.6.24-21 update problems SOLVED - sort of... Message-ID: <48FDE106.4050205@gmail.com> I originally posted this on Dell-users mailinglist but thought perhaps it could help someone on this list too. Note that there are steps to be done before diving into this, such as enabling a ppa repository w Dell specific files. Instructions found on Dell Linux wiki: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_8.04 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hardware: Dell Vostro 1400 / Inspiron 1420 "all Intel" cards Kubuntu 8.04.1 After upgrade to kernel 2.6.24-21 I lost sound and modem. Following Dell wiki steps I could get sound back but only by removing modemdriver that I need on daily basis. Mario Limonciello (Dell) advised me to do the following command: # apt-cache policy linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic that gave the following output: inux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.6.24-21.32 Version table: 2.6.24-21.32 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages 2.6.24-21.30Dell1 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages NOTE this is before upgrade. Seeing "Dell1" I upgraded with known results. Now after some analysing I noted that the Candidate version is actually from hardy-updates, not Dell PPA.... I edited sources.list to disable hardy-updates, then "sudo aptitude update". I then did: # sudo apt-get remove linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic followed by # sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic I then removed the modemdriver and reinstalled it Rebooted and voila! Sound and modem working.... Also a strange bug in K3b disappeared, I could not burn CDs (only discovered today) I have now uncommented hardy-updates in sources.list and following that am now "nagged" to upgrade linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic... I now get: # apt-cache policy linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic: Installed: 2.6.24-21.30Dell1 Candidate: 2.6.24-21.32 Version table: 2.6.24-21.32 0 500 http://zw.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages *** 2.6.24-21.30Dell1 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Candidate version is once more from Ubuntu Kernel Team. Am NOT going to update. Problem solved for now but this was a tricky one... Regards, Sinclair _______________________________________________ Linux-Desktops mailing list Linux-Desktops at dell.com http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:05:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:05:49 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021132331.GA27147@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210604q28debcc8sb3dbaab3b3526a30@mail.gmail.com> <20081021132331.GA27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <880dece00810210705l2c7615dbwbb81a708d45a1852@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : > I agree with you voicing this feature request towards Kubuntu > developers and I see its usefulness in that regard. > My reply was directed towards Art who was turning it against the KDE > developers being stubborn not implementing these kinds of requests. He's right- this isn't a KDE issue. It _could_ be a GTK issue, as it is the GTK applications that would have to change. But then one could argue "why stop at the file picker, and not change the whole theme" which could quickly get out of hand. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Oct 21 14:13:49 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:13:49 +0200 Subject: Open Office 3.0 Impress bullet points broken? In-Reply-To: <001b01c9337b$5eee2870$1cca7950$@net> References: <001b01c9337b$5eee2870$1cca7950$@net> Message-ID: David Fletcher wrote: > Is anybody Open Office 3.0 presentation software? Specifically, bullet > points in text frames? > > Unfortunately I have to use XP at work, and the bullet points facility in > the XP version seems pretty fouled up. I can't get points to go in at all. > > When I run version 2.4 with a Kubuntu Hardy VM under vmware, it works just > fine. > > If I copy that file back to XP then open it with version 3.0, it places > bullet points from the first line in a text frame, even though it was saved > by the 2.4 version with bullets starting at the second or third paragraph. > > Just wondering if anybody else has problems with this. > > Dave > > > There currently is a thread about this on the german openoffice user list where the essence is that the odf of 2.41 is kind of broken, while it has been fixed with 3.0. It should be fixed in 2.42. kind regards Eberhard From slewin at bmts.com Tue Oct 21 14:25:14 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:25:14 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <48FDE64A.6060306@bmts.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:09, Art Alexion wrote: >> I am being driven nuts by the tap to click feature. I have installed >> gsynaptics, and made the following changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > [...] > > Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? I know you where asking Art that, but I tried doing the instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad and when I did that I got, "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From hvontres at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:26:50 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:26:50 -0700 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210428p394336c3padc36b9dfaeca651@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210428p394336c3padc36b9dfaeca651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Art Alexion wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Knapp wrote: >> Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? >> Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something >> not to bother with? > > I have not updated my Ubuntu desktop or laptop, but I am only hearing > good things from co-workers who have. Same is true of Xubuntu. > > > >> I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on >> the Kubuntu list. > > This is the Kubuntu list, isn't it? >> Thoughts? >> >> -- >> Douglas E Knapp >> >> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > > -- > artAlexion > sent unsigned from webmail interface > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I can't speak for the gnome parts of intrepid, but I was impressed by how well the kernel played with my HP dv2416 us laptop. out of the box the following things worked: - BCM 4311 rev 2 wireless (had to build wireless compat to get that to work right in hardy) - nvidia Wired Ethernet - backlight brightness (never worked in hardy) - sound - suspend to disk unfortunately, suspend to ram seems to suffer from some sort of SATA bug. HTH -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) From slewin at bmts.com Tue Oct 21 14:27:22 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:27:22 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FDD927.8070207@gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <48FDD5AD.2020904@bmts.com> <48FDD927.8070207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDE6CA.6020805@bmts.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Scott wrote: >> I'm in the same boat here I have been trying to turn off the tapping >> "feature" on the synaptics touchpad for some time now. I have not been >> able to to so yet in intrepid as Gsynaptics won't work and ksynaptics >> seems to have disapeared from the repositories. I tried touchfreeze, >> but that does nothing either and it is really getting me angury as twice >> in writing this message the touch clicked off my writing. >> > try this: > add this line > Option "MaxTapTime" "2" > to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11), it disables the > tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. > > Sinclair > I will try and see if that works. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 14:15:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:15:53 -0300 Subject: post kernel 2.6.24-21 update problems SOLVED - sort of... References: <48FDE106.4050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5109426.723SCgkH8r@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > I originally posted this on Dell-users mailinglist but thought perhaps > it could help someone on this list too. Note that there are steps to be > done before diving into this, such as enabling a ppa repository w Dell > specific files. Instructions found on Dell Linux wiki: > http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_8.04 Yes, it's well worth having this here. > I have now uncommented hardy-updates in sources.list and following that > am now "nagged" to upgrade linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic... > > I now get: > # apt-cache policy linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic ... > Version table: > 2.6.24-21.32 0 > 500 http://zw.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages > *** 2.6.24-21.30Dell1 0 > 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages > > Candidate version is once more from Ubuntu Kernel Team. Am NOT going to > update. Problem solved for now but this was a tricky one... # sudo aptitude hold linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic Should fix that... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 14:17:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:17:50 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1551194.FznIbeWnSq@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps > on Kubuntu) > Oh, YES!! I _soo_ hate those GTK file dialogs. -- derek From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:34:54 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:34:54 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FDE64A.6060306@bmts.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDE64A.6060306@bmts.com> Message-ID: <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:25, Scott wrote: > > Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? > I know you where asking Art that, but I tried doing the instructions > from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad and when I did > that I got, "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" For clients such as synclient to function you need Option "SHMConfig" "on" in your xorg.conf's Synaptics section - which enables shared memory access. -- Gordon. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 14:17:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:17:05 -0300 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? References: Message-ID: <2704287.QIzu8SZ7pu@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Knapp wrote: >> Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? >> Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something >> not to bother with? I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on >> the Kubuntu list. >> Thoughts? > > Sorry, I have no idea how I emailed this here! :-) Talk about trolling :-) -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:40:04 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:40:04 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FDE6CA.6020805@bmts.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <48FDD5AD.2020904@bmts.com> <48FDD927.8070207@gmail.com> <48FDE6CA.6020805@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48FDE9C4.8010007@gmail.com> Scott wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Scott wrote: >>> I'm in the same boat here I have been trying to turn off the tapping >>> "feature" on the synaptics touchpad for some time now. I have not been >>> able to to so yet in intrepid as Gsynaptics won't work and ksynaptics >>> seems to have disapeared from the repositories. I tried touchfreeze, >>> but that does nothing either and it is really getting me angury as twice >>> in writing this message the touch clicked off my writing. >>> >> try this: >> add this line >> Option "MaxTapTime" "2" >> to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11), it disables the >> tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. >> >> Sinclair >> > I will try and see if that works. > I only now noticed from earlier posts that you might already have tried something similar to this. It works for me on Kubuntu 8.04.1, KDE 3.5.10 on a Dell Vostro/Inspiron 1400 From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Tue Oct 21 14:42:22 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:42:22 +0100 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081021154222.016dd75a@graham-desktop> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:07:52 +0200 Knapp wrote: > Intrepid?? I feel like being a bit facetious here, so please ignore my comments if you feel them unwarranted... >KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? IMHO Gnome has always been horrible, even before Ubuntu burst on the scene. I hate using and watching Gnome, despite some eye candy being foisted on the unlucky user. In any case, extensive discussion on that question should be on the Ubuntu list. But the underlying problem remains: I HATE GNOME. > Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something > not to bother with? I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on > the Kubuntu list. > Thoughts? Kubuntu 8.10 is a VERY good upgrade and KDE 4.1.0 will be mature enough to use soon.. Does anyone know of distro that combines KDE and Enlightenment WITHOUT USING GNOME (feels better now I've got that off my chest...) -- Graham Todd From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 14:37:33 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:37:33 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:56, Art Alexion wrote: > >> Some projects, notably kmymoney, kdepim and tellico, have very >> responsive develpers, but the core KDE developers seem to have a siege >> mentality, perhaps precipitated by the criticism or KDE 4 which they >> have worked hard to develop. I'm not quite sure whether you're saying they worked hard to develop KDE4, or the criticism thereof :-) > Even though bashing on the KDE developers seems to be the new hype from > what I've been reading here... > Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using > QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying > 'hacks' for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? Because KDE, as long as I've cared, has always had the ability to allow you to run GTK apps and make them look at least something like KDE. If it really is possible to make GTK apps use a KDE file dialog, it's well worth it. The alternative is to make every GTK app that users "must" have (Firefox comes quickly to mind) actually use QT instead. > >> But in the current climate, "voting" on core components and features >> seems fruitless, and perhaps counterproductive. I can't see how it's "counterproductive", but I've always thought voting (I've always voted for KDE wishlist items) was largely useless. > Honestly, they would be 100% right to deny feature requests that doesn't > even concern their project at all. Well, they're the developers. Regrettable as the attitude might be, they're 100% right to deny any feature request they care to, if it isn't accompanied with a patch. -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:52:18 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:52:18 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDE64A.6060306@bmts.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <48FDECA2.50508@gmail.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:25, Scott wrote: > >>> Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? >> I know you where asking Art that, but I tried doing the instructions >> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad and when I did >> that I got, "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" > For clients such as synclient to function you need > > Option "SHMConfig" "on" > > in your xorg.conf's Synaptics section - which enables shared memory > access. I believe this function is disabled in Ubuntu by default (recent version) as it is seen as potentially security risk. I can not remember where I found that info but I searched quite a lot when Ksynaptics disappeared in one update. Sinclair From slewin at bmts.com Tue Oct 21 14:55:27 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:55:27 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDE64A.6060306@bmts.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <48FDED5F.9000804@bmts.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:25, Scott wrote: > >>> Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? >> I know you where asking Art that, but I tried doing the instructions >> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad and when I did >> that I got, "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" > For clients such as synclient to function you need > > Option "SHMConfig" "on" > > in your xorg.conf's Synaptics section - which enables shared memory > access. In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. But this is not true as the programs are still not working. It mentions doing syndaemon -d -t and it should turn off your touchpad for 2 seconds while typing. I tried doing syndaemon -d -t -i 100 and it seems to be half working. Sometimes it does not click when tapped. Personally, I am trying to diable the tapping altogether, so, even if it did work it would only help me a bit. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10 From slewin at bmts.com Tue Oct 21 14:58:14 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:58:14 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FDD927.8070207@gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <48FDD5AD.2020904@bmts.com> <48FDD927.8070207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDEE06.9050806@bmts.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > try this: > add this line > Option "MaxTapTime" "2" > to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11), it disables the > tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. I just noticed a few things. First, my xorg.conf did not have anything about synaptic touchpad in it, so I tried adding it and X will not start with anything about the touch pad in xorg.conf. I just had to repair X to get my desktop working again. Also, in the wiki I read it mentioned altering shmconfig.fdi instead by doing the following: " true " I did that and it did not seem to work for me. -- Your friend Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:58:27 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:58:27 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210459s4f56af77p581e81a6a068d441@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810210459s4f56af77p581e81a6a068d441@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 7:59:47 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > Which thread was that? I have filed literally hundreds of wish-bugs at > KDE, *buntus, Fedora, Open Office, Mozilla, Zim, and other Bug > Trackers, and have seen many of my ideas implemented. > That would be the one you posted on Kubuntu getting as much support from Cannonical as Ubuntu. The responses from the Gnome developers seemed overwhelmingly, "so many more people use Gnome that equal support for KDE doesn't make sense", and from Kubuntu developers, "We don't have the resources, so if you want more polish, stop complaining and contribute some code." > Regarding voting, the forum that I linked to is an official Ubuntu > forum designed just for end users to vote on what they want. And while that is true, I get the impression that it is the official Ubuntu forum for users to vent, but not necessarily to affect decisions. I don't disagree with your ideas, Dotan. I am just pessimistic that posting them makes any difference with the core developers. 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 14:52:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:52:57 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224352256.1374.104.camel@iam> <4943431.ikflbPWkTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224556621.12643.201.camel@iam> Message-ID: <1390662.PU9u5TbSnD@cedar.serverforest.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 17:47 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Ric Moore wrote: > >> > When I tried updating to FC5 from FC4 UDEV broke horribly >> >> Let's not compare apples to oranges. An Ubuntu (or any Debian-based >> distro) upgrade is nothing like a Fedora upgrade. > > How so? People make mistakes 15% of the time as a statistical average. > Mistakes will happen. To me there is far less chance of breakage if I > install clean, then add the bits I need from my old install to the new > one, at my speed, that are not included in the new install (original > work). So, I don't see an Apple VS Oranges here. Really? Now you're throwing in pears as well. What's next, peaches? :-) Seriously, I was talking about the _vast_ difference between a Redhat-style upgrade and a Debian-style upgrade. I'm still too intimidated to move that @#$%^ Centos server to version 5, but I've been doing dist-upgrades to Debian-based systems since I was a newbie - a decade ago. _That_ pro/con discussion is not really at all related to whether or not clean installs are better than upgrades. I imagine there are probably yum users who think apt is scary, too, but the point is that the issue with *ubuntu is whether to do a clean install or an apt-based upgrade, and whether upgrading Fedora is safe is definitely a red herring. >> > Plus, I find a >> > clean install to be quicker from DVD than eating up my satellite. >> >> If you've got a DVD, you can do an upgrade too, so that's not a valid >> argument. > > I don't get that. Upgrading and Installing Clean are two different > approaches. Of course they are, but you said that one reason to do a clean install was because you couldn't afford the network bandwidth (I'm on a satellite too, so I feel your pain), and I'm saying that if you already have a DVD you can do an upgrade from it just as simply as a clean install, so bandwidth is a poor argument. > With the former you are shoe-horning new packages into and > over top of an old install. With the latter there is no trace of the > former install, at all. If there's "no trace" of an old install, I see no point in doing it. I've spent 15 years assembling this mass of materials (some of it coming from pre-Windows days) and I want to keep it. The beauty of a clean install on Linux is that I _can_ do that, because programs, configuration, and data are all separate. The beauty of an upgrade is that I can (usually) do it faster. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 14:53:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:53:57 -0300 Subject: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <1224557147.12643.210.camel@iam> Message-ID: <34995528.aW6opEQman@cedar.serverforest.com> Ric Moore wrote: > Russian women through those marriage agencies manage to get through on > mine, more than any other. Maybe I should just marry one to find out > how?? I'm too chicken to click on Elena to see what she looks like. :) Don't let the beard fool you... -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:08:22 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:08:22 +0200 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: <20081021154222.016dd75a@graham-desktop> References: <20081021154222.016dd75a@graham-desktop> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Graham Todd wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:07:52 +0200 > Knapp wrote: > >> Intrepid?? > > I feel like being a bit facetious here, so please ignore my comments > if you feel them unwarranted... > >>KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? > > IMHO Gnome has always been horrible, even before Ubuntu burst on the > scene. I hate using and watching Gnome, despite some eye candy being > foisted on the unlucky user. > > In any case, extensive discussion on that question should be on the > Ubuntu list. But the underlying problem remains: I HATE GNOME. > >> Do you like 8.10? Is it a good upgrade or will it just be something >> not to bother with? I don't want to hear about kde, that belongs on >> the Kubuntu list. >> Thoughts? > > Kubuntu 8.10 is a VERY good upgrade and KDE 4.1.0 will be mature enough > to use soon.. > > Does anyone know of distro that combines KDE and Enlightenment WITHOUT > USING GNOME (feels better now I've got that off my chest...) > > > -- > Graham Todd http://distrowatch.com/ PS I find Gnome to be useless also, If I go that route, useless that is, then I use Xubuntu and get useless, small and fast at the same time. I asked the question to find out about stuff in Kubuntu not including KDE. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:09:58 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:09:58 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810210809h408af66cxbef8d912fae9c12@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Derek Broughton : >>> But in the current climate, "voting" on core components and features >>> seems fruitless, and perhaps counterproductive. > > I can't see how it's "counterproductive", but I've always thought voting > (I've always voted for KDE wishlist items) was largely useless. > On the KDE bugtracker voting is useless. I only do so to bookmark the bugs that I am interested in. However, the brainstorm.ubuntu.com website was _created_ so that users could propose and vote on issues that interest them. It's different from the bugtracker. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From slewin at bmts.com Tue Oct 21 15:15:02 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:15:02 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee Message-ID: <48FDF1F6.8060004@bmts.com> I found a fix for intrepid 8.10 on the wiki. You need to create a new file using "sudo kate /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi" and in that file put the following: true You are not suppose to need to do this in intrepid 8.10, but you do for now. Gsynaptics and touchfreeze will both work if you do this. Gsynaptics will allow you to turn off the tapping and still use the touch pad. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10 From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:17:47 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:17:47 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:37, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using > > QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying > > 'hacks' for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? > > Because KDE, as long as I've cared, has always had the ability to allow you > to run GTK apps and make them look at least something like KDE. If it > really is possible to make GTK apps use a KDE file dialog, it's well worth > it. The alternative is to make every GTK app that users "must" have > (Firefox comes quickly to mind) actually use QT instead. I agree with you here - but then again some GNOME users will probably want to give their right leg for Amarok to use GTK. Unless there is some freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file selectors) anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a quite crude hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to version etc. -- Gordon. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:18:34 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:18:34 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810210459s4f56af77p581e81a6a068d441@mail.gmail.com> <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810210818k38fb23b0n643473e734f3202e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Art Alexion : > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 7:59:47 am Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Which thread was that? I have filed literally hundreds of wish-bugs at >> KDE, *buntus, Fedora, Open Office, Mozilla, Zim, and other Bug >> Trackers, and have seen many of my ideas implemented. >> > > That would be the one you posted on Kubuntu getting as much support from > Cannonical as Ubuntu. The responses from the Gnome developers seemed > overwhelmingly, "so many more people use Gnome that equal support for KDE > doesn't make sense", and from Kubuntu developers, "We don't have the > resources, so if you want more polish, stop complaining and contribute some > code." > The point is exactly that we need to show Canonical that we are using Kubuntu. So long as they think that Kubunu is a fringe distro, the attitiude will persist. >> Regarding voting, the forum that I linked to is an official Ubuntu >> forum designed just for end users to vote on what they want. > > And while that is true, I get the impression that it is the official Ubuntu > forum for users to vent, but not necessarily to affect decisions. > There are quite a few "ideas" from that site that have been implemented. > I don't disagree with your ideas, Dotan. I am just pessimistic that posting > them makes any difference with the core developers. > Maybe, but if we don't post then _surely_ nothing will get done. > As I said, some of the app developers seem astoundingly responsive to user > requests and suggestions, among them Thomas Baumgart and Alvaro Sanchez of > kmymoney, Ingo Klöcker of kmail, Adriaan de Groot of kpilot, Robby Stephenson > of tellico, and many more, but this does not seem to be the case with the > core KDE developers whose mantra these days seems to be something like, "This > is what we want to do. We are the ones doing it. If you don't like it, and > would like something different, *you* do it." As most are volunteers, I > can't really criticize them for this attitude, but I can say that the > attitude is not universal among FOSS developers. > Ingo Klöcker has been very helpful in the past. I am not sure about the others, but the name Adriaan de Groot also stands out as someone who has been helpful in the past. Maybe it's a matter of how we approach them. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:20:11 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:20:11 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200810211120.16929.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 8:52:53 am Gordon Schulz wrote: > Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using > QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying > 'hacks' for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? Because some apps do not have a fully functional KDE equivalent. Firefox and OpenOffice come to mind.* While the core KDE team may have no interest in this, there is usually someone with development talent who does. That is the nice thing about global open source. Someone already has done some of this in a package, the name of which escapes me at this point. *Yeah, I know there is konqueror and koffice, but there are plenty of web sites that konqueror does not work well with, and koffice, while admirable is not adequate in a heterogeneous office environment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:29:45 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:29:45 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810211120.16929.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <200810211120.16929.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021152945.GE27147@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:20, Art Alexion wrote: > > Could someone enlighten me why anyone developing for KDE and thus using > > QT and kdelibs should be interested in and spending time on deploying > > 'hacks' for GTK apps to use foreign file selectors? > > Because some apps do not have a fully functional KDE equivalent. Firefox and > OpenOffice come to mind.* While the core KDE team may have no interest in > this, there is usually someone with development talent who does. Art, as I pointed out in this thread already - I do agree. Give me a QT'd Firefox and I'll be all over it. Actually I only replied to your op in the first place since it sounded as if you were expecting the core KDE team to pick this up and blaming them for not doing so. -- Gordon. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:30:53 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:30:53 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : > I agree with you here - but then again some GNOME users will probably > want to give their right leg for Amarok to use GTK. dotan at laptop:~$ limbtogtk -l rightLeg | grep amarok http://www.exaile.org/ > Unless there is some > freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and > GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file selectors) > anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a quite crude > hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to version etc. Actually, they do work stably enough from version to version, but not from app to app. So the Firefox solution differs from the Open Office solution, etc. However, once implemented this could be maintained by the _distro_, where it should be maintained. This is a distro issue, not an application issue. And it is a real issue for a lot of people. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jdz99 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:34:29 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:34:29 +0000 Subject: kdesudo Message-ID: why doesn't this command work, kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf (I also tried kdesudo kate) I can start kate... When I run kdesudo it comes back with a command not found error. ...apt-get install says kdesudo is installed. This is kde4 with Kubuntu... 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Thanks for pointing that out. > > Unless there is some > > freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and > > GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file selectors) > > anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a quite crude > > hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to version etc. > > Actually, they do work stably enough from version to version, but not > from app to app. So the Firefox solution differs from the Open Office > solution, etc. However, once implemented this could be maintained by > the _distro_, where it should be maintained. This is a distro issue, > not an application issue. Is it really a distribution issue? So OpenSuSE should have their own set of patches against Firefox and Ooo as should Mandriva, Kubuntu and all the other KDE-centric distributions? I'm not liking that idea too much - sounds like reinventing the wheel over and over again. But then again I dislike most distribution-specific patches anyway, probably comes from horrible experiences with old SuSE and RedHat kernels. > And it is a real issue for a lot of people. Not doubting that. I know first hand my parents got really confused why different programs got really different looks and partly different functionality in terms of 'core' functionality like font- and file-selectors when I first installed them a Linux distribution on their laptop. -- Gordon. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:50:49 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:50:49 +0300 Subject: kdesudo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> Jim Douglas wrote: > why doesn't this command work, > > kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf > (I also tried kdesudo kate) > > I can start kate... > > When I run kdesudo it comes back with a command not found error. > > ...apt-get install says kdesudo is installed. > This is kde4 with Kubuntu... > intrepid or hardy? not sure it makes a difference either way. i have intrepid here, and the above command works flawlessly from the run dialog (alt+f2) and from konsole. and i'm very sure it used to work in hardy KDE4. what is saying command not found? is it saying that kdesudo is not found? or is kdesudo complaining that kate is not found? if it's the second case, there might be a PATH problem. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Firefox and >> OpenOffice come to mind.* While the core KDE team may have no interest in >> this, there is usually someone with development talent who does. > Art, as I pointed out in this thread already - I do agree. Give me a > QT'd Firefox and I'll be all over it. Actually I only replied to your op > in the first place since it sounded as if you were expecting the core > KDE team to pick this up and blaming them for not doing so. Actually, this is not something to ask in the distros or DE, but upstream where the developers sit. Good news for Firefox: the Mozilla Foundation is working on a Qt GUI, check out here: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080818-nokia-helps-port-firefox-to-qt.html Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:03:16 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:03:16 +0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDFD44.9090408@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : >> I agree with you here - but then again some GNOME users will probably >> want to give their right leg for Amarok to use GTK. > > dotan at laptop:~$ limbtogtk -l rightLeg | grep amarok > http://www.exaile.org/ > >> Unless there is some >> freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and >> GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file selectors) >> anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a quite crude >> hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to version etc. > > Actually, they do work stably enough from version to version, but not > from app to app. So the Firefox solution differs from the Open Office > solution, etc. However, once implemented this could be maintained by > the _distro_, where it should be maintained. This is a distro issue, > not an application issue. And it is a real issue for a lot of people. > one of the things i don't like about linux distros is that they don't actually work much in the features. look at kubuntu for example. they take the KDE desktop as it is from KDE, do some editing on it to become *buntu style, and put it in the repos, the same for all apps, how much development are the distro devs actually doing? packaging and debugging? the distro needs more actual coding and work from the developers, create their own unique style. i can install a debian system, put KDE4 on it, and do some personal customizations on it, like widgets and wallpaper and etc... , and then take kubuntu intrepid, and apply the same customizatins, show the 2 systems to an average user, and i bet you anything he won't make the difference between them! why? because what he is seeing is neither debians work, nor ubuntu's work, this is KDE's work! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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And why would Amarok addicts have to miss it using Gnome? It works quite well in the Gnome environment too. But don't even ask the Amarok developers to port it to GTK, that's a no go and makes simply no sense. IMHO: why port something beautiful to something ugly? Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:06:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:06:37 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021154609.GF27147@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> <20081021154609.GF27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <880dece00810210906q5ab10e46w5c7dc1f88903b242@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:30, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> > I agree with you here - but then again some GNOME users will probably >> > want to give their right leg for Amarok to use GTK. >> >> dotan at laptop:~$ limbtogtk -l rightLeg | grep amarok >> http://www.exaile.org/ > Interesting, I wasn't aware such a project existed. Thanks for pointing > that out. > >> > Unless there is some >> > freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and >> > GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file selectors) >> > anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a quite crude >> > hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to version etc. >> >> Actually, they do work stably enough from version to version, but not >> from app to app. So the Firefox solution differs from the Open Office >> solution, etc. However, once implemented this could be maintained by >> the _distro_, where it should be maintained. This is a distro issue, >> not an application issue. > Is it really a distribution issue? So OpenSuSE should have their own set > of patches against Firefox and Ooo as should Mandriva, Kubuntu and all the > other KDE-centric distributions? Right, just like every distro has their own installer, and package management, and bugtrackers, etc. The distro is the glue holding the packages together. Whatever affects the integration of the upstream packages is the responsibility of the distro. > I'm not liking that idea too much - > sounds like reinventing the wheel over and over again. So is having multiple installers, package managers, etc... > But then again I > dislike most distribution-specific patches anyway, probably comes from > horrible experiences with old SuSE and RedHat kernels. > >> And it is a real issue for a lot of people. > Not doubting that. I know first hand my parents got really confused why > different programs got really different looks and partly different > functionality in terms of 'core' functionality like font- and > file-selectors when I first installed them a Linux distribution on their > laptop. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mlsoft at videotron.ca Tue Oct 21 16:06:38 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:06:38 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810211206.38888.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 06:16:15 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps > on Kubuntu) > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü there is a project called KGtk who offer the kde file chooser to gtk apps without any modifications to the programs. I use it, and it works well. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:08:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:08:48 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810210459s4f56af77p581e81a6a068d441@mail.gmail.com> <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810210908s4abcc3f0w18097e9703d5ab8f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Art Alexion : > I don't disagree with your ideas, Dotan. I am just pessimistic that posting > them makes any difference with the core developers. > THIS JUST IN: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/ So, somebody is listening! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Oct 21 16:09:03 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:09:03 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48FDFD44.9090408@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> <48FDFD44.9090408@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy, On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > one of the things i don't like about linux distros is that they don't > actually work much in the features. look at kubuntu for example. they > take the KDE desktop as it is from KDE, do some editing on it to become > *buntu style, and put it in the repos, the same for all apps, how much > development are the distro devs actually doing? packaging and debugging? > the distro needs more actual coding and work from the developers, create > their own unique style. i can install a debian system, put KDE4 on it, > and do some personal customizations on it, like widgets and wallpaper > and etc... , and then take kubuntu intrepid, and apply the same > customizatins, show the 2 systems to an average user, and i bet you > anything he won't make the difference between them! why? because what he > is seeing is neither debians work, nor ubuntu's work, this is KDE's work! Believe me, that's something the developers upstream don't like at all and happily Kubuntu does NOT customise KDE too much. OpenSuSE's Ozone layer is the best example how not to make things: years of Plasma development and Oxygen design ruined in one distro is something nobody wants to see. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jdz99 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:19:02 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:19:02 +0000 Subject: kdesudo In-Reply-To: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> References: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I run kdesudo by itself it comes back with a command not found errorIt works fine on my other machine. This is 8.10 after the upgrade... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:50:49 +0300 > From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: kdesudo > > Jim Douglas wrote: > > why doesn't this command work, > > > > kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > (I also tried kdesudo kate) > > > > I can start kate... > > > > When I run kdesudo it comes back with a command not found error. > > > > ...apt-get install says kdesudo is installed. > > This is kde4 with Kubuntu... > > > > intrepid or hardy? not sure it makes a difference either way. > i have intrepid here, and the above command works flawlessly from the > run dialog (alt+f2) and from konsole. > and i'm very sure it used to work in hardy KDE4. > what is saying command not found? is it saying that kdesudo is not > found? or is kdesudo complaining that kate is not found? > if it's the second case, there might be a PATH problem. > > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:23:30 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:23:30 +0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810211206.38888.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <200810211206.38888.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <48FE0202.5030500@gmail.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 06:16:15 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps >> on Kubuntu) >> > > there is a project called KGtk who offer the kde file chooser > to gtk apps without any modifications to the programs. > > I use it, and it works well. > any links please? apt-cache search kgtk gives nothing, so i'm guessing you downloaded it somewhere, if it works, i could check it out and do a packaging request for it -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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Note that this is an official Ubuntu website made especially for end users to suggest and vote on the issues that they are interested in: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:26:04 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:26:04 +0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210908s4abcc3f0w18097e9703d5ab8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810210459s4f56af77p581e81a6a068d441@mail.gmail.com> <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> <880dece00810210908s4abcc3f0w18097e9703d5ab8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FE029C.9030502@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/21 Art Alexion : >> I don't disagree with your ideas, Dotan. I am just pessimistic that posting >> them makes any difference with the core developers. >> > > THIS JUST IN: > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/ > > So, somebody is listening! > yup, this is just wonderful, we really need more of such developers, according to the required skills they're asking for, this is just the kind of devs we want. let's hope they find a good one soon -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra : > any links please? apt-cache search kgtk gives nothing, so i'm guessing > you downloaded it somewhere, if it works, i could check it out and do a > packaging request for it http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From ender8282 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 16:36:27 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:36:27 -0700 Subject: kdesudo In-Reply-To: References: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FE050B.6080905@yahoo.com> Jim Douglas wrote: > When I run kdesudo by itself it comes back with a command not found error > It works fine on my other machine. This is 8.10 after the upgrade... > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu > > Can you give the output of the commands: 'which kdesudo' 'locate kdesudo' The first identifies if the command is in your path. It sounds like it isn't. The second command shows if it is installed in your system. If locate doesn't find it then try running: 'sudo apt-get install kdesudo' from the terminal. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From ender8282 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 16:40:22 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:40:22 -0700 Subject: kdesudo In-Reply-To: <48FE050B.6080905@yahoo.com> References: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> <48FE050B.6080905@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48FE05F6.2030104@yahoo.com> John Hubbard wrote: > > If locate doesn't find it then try running: > 'sudo apt-get install kdesudo' > from the terminal. > Sorry I jut read more and saw that you had already tried to install. I would guess that somehow the command isn't in your path. Can we also get the output of: 'echo $PATH' -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From kap4lin at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:47:02 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:47:02 -0400 Subject: how to pin specific packages based on origin Message-ID: Hi, Specifically, why doesn't the following pinning work? Package: *vlc* Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net Pin-Priority: 800 Whereas the following does: Package: * Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net Pin-Priority: 800 This is not what I want! I just want to pin the vlc packages from launchpad at higher piority. This is not vlc or launchpad specific. I have tried to ping other packages from different origin, without success; unless I pin ALL (using *) packages from that origin! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:49:46 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:49:46 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210906q5ab10e46w5c7dc1f88903b242@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> <20081021154609.GF27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210906q5ab10e46w5c7dc1f88903b242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021164946.GA27201@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:06, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Is it really a distribution issue? So OpenSuSE should have their own set > > of patches against Firefox and Ooo as should Mandriva, Kubuntu and all the > > other KDE-centric distributions? > > Right, just like every distro has their own installer, and package > management, and bugtrackers, etc. The distro is the glue holding the > packages together. Whatever affects the integration of the upstream > packages is the responsibility of the distro. Well, one could argue a lot here, depends on point of view I guess. For me packages are just what they are - upstream applications that are bundled together to fit the distribution's layout and package management. On a side note - despite loving Debian that's what I don't like, their habit of patching too much on their own ignoring upstream. The installers, bugtrackers (apart from Ubuntu most use something 'normal' like Bugzilla anyway) and the artwork is something that brands the distribution but in no way concerns any upstream work. -- Gordon. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:02:03 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:02:03 +0200 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021164946.GA27201@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> <20081021154609.GF27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210906q5ab10e46w5c7dc1f88903b242@mail.gmail.com> <20081021164946.GA27201@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <880dece00810211002k39602475m2a65908e85cf6668@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : > Well, one could argue a lot here, depends on point of view I guess. For > me packages are just what they are - upstream applications that are > bundled together to fit the distribution's layout and package > management. On a side note - despite loving Debian that's what I don't > like, their habit of patching too much on their own ignoring upstream. > The installers, bugtrackers (apart from Ubuntu most use something > 'normal' like Bugzilla anyway) and the artwork is something that brands > the distribution but in no way concerns any upstream work. When you find the distro that does not touch upstream, let me know! Actually, there is foreskin which is a distro for showcasing the latest Gnome, and I think that they have a KDE version. However, they have an unusual package system and I will not learn yet another package system! I am firmly against that wheel being reinvented yet again. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:10:34 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:10:34 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200810211310.40368.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:17:47 am Gordon Schulz wrote: > Unless there is some > freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and > GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file > selectors) anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a quite > crude hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to version etc. I couldn't write a line of code to save my life, but I have a reasonable understanding of how it works. The gtk APIs/calls to the file open dialog have to be standard among current gtk+ apps. Otherwise gtk+ programs couldn't share them. Likewise the qt APIs have to be standard so that current versions of KDE programs can access them. What needs to be developed is a translation layer that translates calls from the gtk app to the gtk file open dialog to be redirected to a call to the corresponding action on a qt file open dialog. In turn, it would translate the dialog response to the gtk app. So, say a single translation layer should work for all calls from gtk 2 apps to kde 3.5.x apps, though a separate layer might be needed for gtk 1 apps (if there are still any) or kde 4 apps. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't expect any volunteer to do everything the app developers I mentioned do for the users. I understand that most apps are born of a need or interest of the original developer. But as apps grow — take amarok for example — the project becomes bigger than the original vision. A lot of developers take satisfaction in the widespread adoption of their brainchild. That happens when the userbase is happy with the product, and some developers gain incentive for pleasing users in order to gain widespread acceptance an use. I have usually found open source software to be more responsive to the wishes of users than proprietary software. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:39:38 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:39:38 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200810211339.44272.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 9:34:14 am Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:09, Art Alexion wrote: > > I am being driven nuts by the tap to click feature.  I have installed > > gsynaptics, and made the following changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > > [...] > > Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? No. "Can't access shared memory area. Is SHMConfig diabled?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:42:20 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:42:20 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <48FDE64A.6060306@bmts.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200810211342.20353.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:34:54 am Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:25, Scott wrote: > > > Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? > > > > I know you where asking Art that, but I tried doing the instructions > > from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad and when I did > > that I got, "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" > > For clients such as synclient to function you need > > Option          "SHMConfig"             "on" > > in your xorg.conf's Synaptics section - which enables shared memory > access. I have tried "on" and "true" and neither seem to work. I am getting the feeling that my X on 8.04.1 is controlled by something other than /etc/X11/xorg.conf. I have two machines at work where all of the sections in that file are empty and yet X is functioning. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:45:46 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:45:46 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <200810211339.44272.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021133414.GB27147@slug.azmolan> <200810211339.44272.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021174546.GB27201@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:39, Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 9:34:14 am Gordon Schulz wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:09, Art Alexion wrote: > > > I am being driven nuts by the tap to click feature.  I have installed > > > gsynaptics, and made the following changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > > > > [...] > > > > Does 'synclient -l' reflect the changes you made in xorg.conf? > > No. "Can't access shared memory area. Is SHMConfig diabled?" That's weird... Maybe try changing the "true" in SHMConfig to "on" in your xorg.conf. -- Gordon. From jdz99 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:53:39 2008 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:53:39 +0000 Subject: kdesudo In-Reply-To: <48FE05F6.2030104@yahoo.com> References: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> <48FE050B.6080905@yahoo.com> <48FE05F6.2030104@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The problem I had was after installing the Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE4 from the downloaded CD... I just reinstalled with an older version of the 8.04 desktop and everything is fine...even after the upgrade to 8.1 and KDE4 Don't know why. > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:40:22 -0700 > From: ender8282 at yahoo.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: kdesudo > > John Hubbard wrote: > > > > If locate doesn't find it then try running: > > 'sudo apt-get install kdesudo' > > from the terminal. > > > Sorry I jut read more and saw that you had already tried to install. I > would guess that somehow the command isn't in your path. Can we also get > the output of: > 'echo $PATH' > > -- > -john > > To be or not to be, that is the question > 2b || !2b > (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) > 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 > 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 > 0b11111111 > 255, that is the answer. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 17:50:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:50:31 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00810210809h408af66cxbef8d912fae9c12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5550798.MyUPIGDToG@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/21 Derek Broughton : >>>> But in the current climate, "voting" on core components and features >>>> seems fruitless, and perhaps counterproductive. >> >> I can't see how it's "counterproductive", but I've always thought voting >> (I've always voted for KDE wishlist items) was largely useless. >> > > On the KDE bugtracker voting is useless. I only do so to bookmark the > bugs that I am interested in. Yes, that's why I do it. > However, the brainstorm.ubuntu.com > website was _created_ so that users could propose and vote on issues > that interest them. It's different from the bugtracker. To an extent, but just because Canonical supports the idea doesn't mean that it'll have any more effect - especially on MOTU supported software. -- derek From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 18:00:23 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:00:23 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <200810211356.46174.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <200810211339.44272.art.alexion@gmail.com> <20081021174546.GB27201@slug.azmolan> <200810211356.46174.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081021180023.GC27201@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:56, Art Alexion wrote: > > That's weird... Maybe try changing the "true" in SHMConfig to "on" in > > your xorg.conf. > > Tried that as well. No good. Sorry, can't help you then. Currently not on a Kubuntu box - but on this Sidux (Debian unstable) rig it definately works. Tapping is disabled. -- Gordon. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 21 18:04:27 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:04:27 -0500 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <48FDFD44.9090408@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> <48FDFD44.9090408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FE19AB.20205@swbell.net> On 10/21/2008 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > one of the things i don't like about linux distros is that they don't > actually work much in the features. look at kubuntu for example. they > take the KDE desktop as it is from KDE, do some editing on it to > become > *buntu style, and put it in the repos, the same for all apps, how much > development are the distro devs actually doing? packaging and > debugging? > the distro needs more actual coding and work from the developers, > create > their own unique style. i can install a debian system, put KDE4 on it, > and do some personal customizations on it, like widgets and wallpaper > and etc... , and then take kubuntu intrepid, and apply the same > customizatins, show the 2 systems to an average user, and i bet you > anything he won't make the difference between them! why? because what > he > is seeing is neither debians work, nor ubuntu's work, this is KDE's > work! A lot of people would say that it's a plus point that from one distro to the next KDE or Gnome look and act the same. Are you saying that each distro should develope it's own desktop/windowing system? -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 17:57:56 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:56 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <200810211206.38888.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1330618.Ofat9bMBGH@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 06:16:15 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Please vote for this idea, it is desperately needed: >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/ (KDE File Chooser in GTK apps >> on Kubuntu) > there is a project called KGtk who offer the kde file chooser > to gtk apps without any modifications to the programs. > > I use it, and it works well. I just looked at that this morning, and while it doesn't modify the _programs_, it modifies the way you _call_ all the programs, which makes it a major PITA for someone like me, let alone for a poor newbie. So this brainstorm would still be a big advance on that (though probably starting with KGtk). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 18:01:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:01:10 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <200810211120.16929.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2071207.20YKNrAVTB@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > Firefox and > OpenOffice come to mind.* ... > *Yeah, I know there is konqueror and koffice, but there are plenty of web > sites that konqueror does not work well with, and koffice, while admirable > is not adequate in a heterogeneous office environment. In fact, even if Konqueror was perfect, those of us who do web development would _still_ have to run Firefox, because we need to be sure that what we do works on Firefox and IE (and at the moment, it barely matters except to my own piece of mind if it works in Konqueror). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 18:06:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:06:51 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <200810211310.40368.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3373890.J53Qf0bDjB@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:17:47 am Gordon Schulz wrote: >> Unless there is some >> freedesktop.org standardization or well defined APIs by both KDE/QT and >> GNOME/GTK (which is pretty unlikely for something as internal as file >> selectors) anything that does what the OP linked to is pretty much a >> quite crude hack in my book. Quite likely to break from version to >> version etc. > > I couldn't write a line of code to save my life, but I have a reasonable > understanding of how it works. > > The gtk APIs/calls to the file open dialog have to be standard among > current > gtk+ apps. Otherwise gtk+ programs couldn't share them. > > Likewise the qt APIs have to be standard so that current versions of KDE > programs can access them. > > What needs to be developed is a translation layer that translates calls > from the gtk app to the gtk file open dialog to be redirected to a call to > the > corresponding action on a qt file open dialog. In turn, it would > translate the dialog response to the gtk app. It should be (and I assume it's what kGtk does, but I haven't looked yet) be as simple as providing a kde library that contains functions of the same name as the gtk library functions. The trick is to make them get called before the gtk functions _only_ when your desktop is KDE (no doubt _someone_ would find another use case, but geeks can take it from there...). > > So, say a single translation layer should work for all calls from gtk 2 > apps to kde 3.5.x apps, though a separate layer might be needed for gtk 1 > apps (if there are still any) or kde 4 apps. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 18:09:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:09:12 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4927693.8Xv02PtfG3@cedar.serverforest.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/10/21 Gordon Schulz : >>> I agree with you here - but then again some GNOME users will probably >>> want to give their right leg for Amarok to use GTK. >> >> dotan at laptop:~$ limbtogtk -l rightLeg | grep amarok >> http://www.exaile.org/ > > It is a Amarok clone, but cloned from the 1.4.0 times of Amarok, ages > behind what Amarok 2 is doing now (currently in beta 2). > > And why would Amarok addicts have to miss it using Gnome? It works > quite well in the Gnome environment too. But don't even ask the Amarok > developers to port it to GTK, that's a no go and makes simply no > sense. IMHO: why port something beautiful to something ugly? Absolutely, but if you're used to ugly, you'd probably hate having a single beautiful application on your desktop, making everything else look bad :-) Cinderella's stepsisters didn't like her showing them up, either. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 21 18:15:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:15:10 -0300 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <5a1f6bd00810210356q64fccc22sf7c65c5e0c75db47@mail.gmail.com> <20081021125253.GA27135@slug.azmolan> <2348422.5V1yhXBhT6@cedar.serverforest.com> <20081021151747.GD27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210830xef3e34k53b13bef798863d0@mail.gmail.com> <20081021154609.GF27147@slug.azmolan> <880dece00810210906q5ab10e46w5c7dc1f88903b242@mail.gmail.com> <20081021164946.GA27201@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <43745739.7PVcg65AM6@cedar.serverforest.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:06, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> > Is it really a distribution issue? So OpenSuSE should have their own >> > set >> > of patches against Firefox and Ooo as should Mandriva, Kubuntu and all >> > the other KDE-centric distributions? >> >> Right, just like every distro has their own installer, and package >> management, and bugtrackers, etc. The distro is the glue holding the >> packages together. Whatever affects the integration of the upstream >> packages is the responsibility of the distro. > Well, one could argue a lot here, depends on point of view I guess. For > me packages are just what they are - upstream applications that are > bundled together to fit the distribution's layout and package > management. On a side note - despite loving Debian that's what I don't > like, their habit of patching too much on their own ignoring upstream. I wouldn't say they ignore upstream at all. *ubuntu is a good example. Each Ubuntu release begins with Debian Sid. The Ubuntu developers try hard to push all _their_ patches onto Debian, or even further upstream, then they won't have to maintain them, but for various reasons not all changes are accepted upstream. So then the Ubuntu devs have to decide whether it's worth maintaining a separate patch, or just dropping it. If it was popular with the user base, they really don't have a lot of choice - they have to keep it, and if possible improve it enough to make upstream want it. -- derek From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 18:32:59 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:32:59 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <5550798.MyUPIGDToG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810210809h408af66cxbef8d912fae9c12@mail.gmail.com> <5550798.MyUPIGDToG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810211432.59478.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 1:50:31 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > especially on MOTU supported software art at art-kubuntu:~$ wtf MOTU Gee... I don't know what MOTU means... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is SHMConfig diabled?" >> That's weird... Maybe try changing the "true" in SHMConfig to "on" in >> your xorg.conf. > > Tried that as well. No good. > here is my full xorg.conf, running on 8.04.1 and Dell Inspiron 1420. Though I have a nagging feeling that the shmconfig does nothing (am not using K/Gsynaptics and not Touchfreeze) and that I did something else. Sorry but it was a while ago i tampered with this: code: -------------------- Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "se" Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" Option "SHMConfig" "on" Option "MaxTapTime" "2" # added to disable tapping, use buttons instead EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" EndSection From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 18:41:02 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:41:02 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4927693.8Xv02PtfG3@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <4927693.8Xv02PtfG3@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810211441.03128.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 2:09:12 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > But don't even ask the Amarok > > developers to port it to GTK, that's a no go and makes simply no > > sense. IMHO: why port something beautiful to something ugly? > > Absolutely, but if you're used to ugly, you'd probably hate having a single > beautiful application on your desktop, making everything else look bad :-) > > Cinderella's stepsisters didn't like her showing them up, either. I have a couple of gnome computers and occasionally monitor the Ubuntu and other Gnome lists. I can assure, they dislike KDE as much as KDE aficionados dislike Gnome. It isn't that they haven't seen KDE, they really like Gnome better. I prefer KDE myself, but some things, like evolution/exchange just work better than any KDE alternative. Frankly, looks can be pleasant, but works well is much more important to me. I prefer konqueror because it *works* better than nautilus. I prefer amarok because it *works* better than banshee. But I prefer the ugly easyTAG because it *works* better than kid3. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 19:04:47 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:04:47 -0400 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00810210908s4abcc3f0w18097e9703d5ab8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <200810211059.10326.art.alexion@gmail.com> <880dece00810210908s4abcc3f0w18097e9703d5ab8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810211504.47579.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:08:48 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/21 Art Alexion : > > I don't disagree with your ideas, Dotan.  I am just pessimistic that > > posting them makes any difference with the core developers. > > THIS JUST IN: > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/ > > So, somebody is listening! So it seems... That is a great development. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks GAG From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 20:48:34 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:48:34 +0100 Subject: KDE File Chooser in GTK apps on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200810211432.59478.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810210316y51fbd9b6ja2a8150ce7cb341c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810210809h408af66cxbef8d912fae9c12@mail.gmail.com> <5550798.MyUPIGDToG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810211432.59478.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FE4022.60704@tiscali.co.uk> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 1:50:31 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > >> especially on MOTU supported software >> > > art at art-kubuntu:~$ wtf MOTU > Gee... I don't know what MOTU means... > Masters Of The Universe... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From kassube at gmx.net Tue Oct 21 20:56:14 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:56:14 +0200 Subject: Process Protocol Error? In-Reply-To: <20081021143505.4ury4ylvkw8k0w84@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> References: <20081021143505.4ury4ylvkw8k0w84@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Message-ID: <200810212256.14056.kassube@gmx.net> G. A. Gallup wrote: > My Kubuntu 8.03 produces the following errors at KDE start up. > Two small windows, each with the title "KDE: Desktop", an error > Now no icons appear on the Desktop. Has anyone > else seen this problem and solved it? Thanks If it is this bug you can choose a smaller wallpaper for your desktop. Nils From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 22 00:24:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:24:37 -0300 Subject: kdesudo References: <48FDFA59.9040008@gmail.com> <200810211457.59720.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19782258.0mrrr119oQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:50:49 am Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Jim Douglas wrote: >> > why doesn't this command work, >> > >> > kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> > (I also tried kdesudo kate) >> > >> > I can start kate... >> > >> > When I run kdesudo it comes back with a command not found error. >> > >> > ...apt-get install says kdesudo is installed. >> > This is kde4 with Kubuntu... >> >> intrepid or hardy? not sure it makes a difference either way. >> i have intrepid here, and the above command works flawlessly from the >> run dialog (alt+f2) and from konsole. > > Does not work in 8.04.1 with KDE 3.5.10. kdesu works fine. works fine for me. Since kdesu is only supposed to be a symlink to kdesudo, I'd have to guess that you have (both) somehow managed to not install the "kdesudo" package. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 22 00:20:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:20:17 -0300 Subject: Process Protocol Error? References: <20081021143505.4ury4ylvkw8k0w84@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Message-ID: <1501999.yTyF8giZR0@cedar.serverforest.com> G. A. Gallup wrote: > Greetings, > My Kubuntu 8.03 produces the following errors at KDE start up. > Two small windows, each with the title "KDE: Desktop", an error > message, and otherwise only an "OK" button. The first has the error > message, > "The process for file protocol has died unexpectedly." > After clicking on "OK" the second follows with the message, > "The process for media protocol has died unexpectedly." > This is a new phenomenon, starting recently after several months > running successfully. Now no icons appear on the Desktop. Has anyone > else seen this problem and solved it? Thanks Can't quite remember the circumstances, but I have seen that sort of thing when KDE starts up a saved session where some of the saved apps can't be restarted properly. iirc, it might have had something to do with having had something running under kdesudo at shutdown. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 22 00:32:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:32:53 -0300 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDED5F.9000804@bmts.com> <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2037682.LMFJX2EdL9@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:55:27 am Scott wrote: >> In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to >> enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. > > Scott, what is the URL for this wiki? I am using 8.04 and would like to > see > what it says about that. When I googled, the only wiki was gentoo hosted. That would be the info mentioned earlier about creating the .fdi file for hal - the file is supposedly included in Intrepid. -- derek From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 00:59:31 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:59:31 -0400 Subject: Question on bug reporting Message-ID: <200810212059.32088.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, I have a question on bug reporting. I reported two bugs to to KDE at http://bugs.kde.org Should I be reporting to somewhere else as well? Neither bug has been resolved yet, they're registered at least. I was just wondering if there is another bug list. TIA, Glenn -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Aşağı tükürsem sakal, yukarı tükürsem bıyık! From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 22 01:23:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:23:29 -0300 Subject: Question on bug reporting References: <200810212059.32088.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5178023.M3eTNIkFeC@cedar.serverforest.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > I have a question on bug reporting. I reported two bugs to to KDE at > http://bugs.kde.org > > Should I be reporting to somewhere else as well? Neither bug has been > resolved yet, they're registered at least. I was just wondering if there > is another bug list. Generally, (k)ubuntu bugs go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ where you can link them to bugs at kde.org. I have no idea if they'll get fixed faster or slower if you only file bugs at one or the other, but if they're show-stoppers for Kubuntu, the kubuntu devs certainly need to know about them. -- derek From slewin at bmts.com Wed Oct 22 02:48:58 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:48:58 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDED5F.9000804@bmts.com> <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FE949A.6010909@bmts.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:55:27 am Scott wrote: >> In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to >> enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. > > Scott, what is the URL for this wiki? I am using 8.04 and would like to see > what it says about that. When I googled, the only wiki was gentoo hosted. > Its at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad. It does have some good stuff about 8.04 as well. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10 From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 04:24:58 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:24:58 +0200 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FE949A.6010909@bmts.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDED5F.9000804@bmts.com> <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FE949A.6010909@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48FEAB1A.7060007@gmail.com> Scott wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:55:27 am Scott wrote: >>> In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to >>> enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. >> Scott, what is the URL for this wiki? I am using 8.04 and would like to see >> what it says about that. When I googled, the only wiki was gentoo hosted. >> > Its at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad. It does > have some good stuff about 8.04 as well. > only problem is that neither q/ or Ksynaptics are in the repos for 8.04.1... only gsynaptics is there. the other packages show but you can not install as there are no packages. So the wiki is kind of in need of updating. From joantur at cancullet.org Wed Oct 22 05:29:23 2008 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:29:23 +0200 Subject: Guidance power manager; bugs? Message-ID: <200810220554.m9M5sDJW018890@srv3.neointeractiva.com> Hi, I've moved to Kubuntu 8.10 beta, and I've found a problem with guidance-power- manager; in 8.04 I was using klaptopdaemon & Kde 3.5.10, because I found the same problem there. I use to have the battery stored in its bag (it's a Sony TZ11 laptop); powering on with no battery inserted means the icon shows as is it had a fully charged battery, and I get no information about the battery if inserted when online. The information in /proc/acpi/battery is displayed and actualized fine (I'm using "watch -n2 cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state" to monitor it). On the other hand, if the laptop has the battery inserted when powering on, everything seems to work fine; it shows the actual charge, and removing or adding the battery online works as expected. Any help? The "about" option shows https://launchpad.net/guidance, but it seems not to be up to date, nor am I able to post a bug. Thanks ;) -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Neil Winchurst From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:15:21 2008 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:15:21 -0700 Subject: [OT] Re: Fresh install? References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <1224353354.1374.118.camel@iam> <200810191456.02130.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48FCAD5C.5060608@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:10:04 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > thorny, are you using some smtp server other than gmail's? some > unofficial smtp server? after noticing ur mail in spam, i checked the web > interface, it said that your email can not be verified that is actually > coming from the claimed sender (you). that's why i thought that you might > be sending from other than the smtp server of google. Sorry I didn't answer, I missed this one. Yes, I am using a smtp server other than gmail's interface as you can probably see from my headers. The list doesn't accept email from other than registered users does it? Or, perhaps it does, I don't know. Since the emails you receive at gmail come from the list, rather than me (unless I reply only to sender, which I almost never do), they wouldn't be sent to you if it didn't verify, would they. At the particular time this was being discussed, my posts weren't coming through to the list at all, hours later they were. Perhaps something in the path was being reconfigured. But enough of this OT thread this is pretty far afield of Installs and not of much interest to anyone else. Over and out. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 22 13:12:24 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:12:24 +0200 Subject: calendar, contacts, notes Message-ID: <200810221512.24602.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Can somebody tell me where Kontact places the details of my calender, contactpersons, to do's and notes by default. (for backup purposes) I was only able to find the mailfolder. ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From paulatgm at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 13:17:42 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:17:42 -0400 Subject: Intrepid?? KDE4 is causing a ruckus, how is Gnome with the new system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48FF27F6.2050703@gmail.com> I've tried an upgraded intrepid kubuntu on another partition and am having problems with slow application startup time, poor fonts in firefox and t'bird, slowness (unusable) in google-earth, broken hibernate, and many keyboard functions (i.e. eject, battery monitor, suspend, hibernate) don't work. Maybe this is all because I did an upgrade, instead of a fresh install, so I'll give it another try after it comes out final. For now, I'm staying with hardy and kde 3.5.10 on my productivity partition where everything is working well. regards, From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 13:19:38 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:38 -0400 Subject: calendar, contacts, notes In-Reply-To: <200810221512.24602.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810221512.24602.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200810220919.38711.gloonie@earthlink.net> I believe: /home/gloonie/.kde4/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf for contacts. /home/gloonie/.kde4/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics for calendar and to-do's. /home/gloonie/.kde4/share/apps/kjots for "notebooks". Not sure about Journal, since I don't use it. HTH, Glenn On Wednesday 22 October 2008 09:12:24 Peter Klaassen wrote: > Can somebody tell me where Kontact places the details of > my calender, contactpersons, to do's and notes by default. > (for backup purposes) > > I was only able to find the mailfolder. > ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > -- > Peter > Registered Linux user # 458207 -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 22 14:36:55 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:36:55 +0200 Subject: calendar, contacts, notes In-Reply-To: <200810220919.38711.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200810221512.24602.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200810220919.38711.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200810221636.55908.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 22 October 2008 15:19:38 schreef Glenn R Williams: > I believe: > > /home/gloonie/.kde4/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf for contacts. > /home/gloonie/.kde4/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics for calendar and to-do's. these are ok thanks Glenn -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From hvontres at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 14:36:23 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:36:23 -0700 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been using Fluxbox for a while now and I am getting on quite well > with it. (I am running it on top of Kubuntu Gutsy). > > I have noticed that the numlock key is not activated when I startup > Fluxbox. This was true for Gutsy also, but I have altered that now. (Why > the default in (k)ununtu is to start with the numlock off is beyond me, > but that is by the way.) Have you evder tried using a laptop with num-lock on ? half the keybord suddenly disapears :) -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Oct 22 14:51:57 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:51:57 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48FF3E0D.9020804@drofle.com> Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I have been using Fluxbox for a while now and I am getting on quite well >> with it. (I am running it on top of Kubuntu Gutsy). >> >> I have noticed that the numlock key is not activated when I startup >> Fluxbox. This was true for Gutsy also, but I have altered that now. (Why >> the default in (k)ununtu is to start with the numlock off is beyond me, >> but that is by the way.) > > Have you evder tried using a laptop with num-lock on ? half the > keybord suddenly disapears :) > > > Thanks for that info. I don't use laptops, but I do realise that there is no keypad. I didn't know that having numlock on would cause any problems with a laptop. I expected it to be simply ignored. Anyway, the problem is sorted. I installed numlockx this morning and this afternoon, when I logged on using Fluxbox, the numlock light came on, so it is now working. Neil From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 16:03:28 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:03:28 +0200 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: <48FF3E0D.9020804@drofle.com> References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> <48FF3E0D.9020804@drofle.com> Message-ID: > Thanks for that info. I don't use laptops, but I do realise that there > is no keypad. I didn't know that having numlock on would cause any > problems with a laptop. I expected it to be simply ignored. > > Anyway, the problem is sorted. I installed numlockx this morning and > this afternoon, when I logged on using Fluxbox, the numlock light came > on, so it is now working. > > Neil There is a keypad and that is the problem. The key pad is over the keys on the right half of the keyboard. Look close at a keyboard and you will see the numbers ghosted next to the normal letters. http://www.notebookforum.at/notebooktest/D620/DellLatitudeD620Bericht_dateien/PicHQ/KeyboardHQ.jpg -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Oct 22 17:23:53 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:23:53 +0100 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> <48FF3E0D.9020804@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48FF61A9.5080509@drofle.com> Knapp wrote: >> Thanks for that info. I don't use laptops, but I do realise that there >> is no keypad. I didn't know that having numlock on would cause any >> problems with a laptop. I expected it to be simply ignored. >> >> Anyway, the problem is sorted. I installed numlockx this morning and >> this afternoon, when I logged on using Fluxbox, the numlock light came >> on, so it is now working. >> >> Neil > > There is a keypad and that is the problem. The key pad is over the > keys on the right half of the keyboard. Look close at a keyboard and > you will see the numbers ghosted next to the normal letters. > http://www.notebookforum.at/notebooktest/D620/DellLatitudeD620Bericht_dateien/PicHQ/KeyboardHQ.jpg Well, I am certainly learning things today. I have never noticed that before. So how do you turn those keys into a keypad equivalent? Neil From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 22 17:38:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:38:54 -0300 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <20081021143454.GC27147@slug.azmolan> <48FDED5F.9000804@bmts.com> <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FE949A.6010909@bmts.com> <48FEAB1A.7060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2214344.ztIpEdtvOR@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Scott wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >>> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:55:27 am Scott wrote: >>>> In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to >>>> enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. >>> Scott, what is the URL for this wiki? I am using 8.04 and would like to >>> see >>> what it says about that. When I googled, the only wiki was gentoo >>> hosted. >>> >> Its at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad. It does >> have some good stuff about 8.04 as well. >> > only problem is that neither q/ or Ksynaptics are in the repos for > 8.04.1... only gsynaptics is there. the other packages show but you can > not install as there are no packages. So the wiki is kind of in need of > updating. Do you have a touchpad configuration under "System Settings"/"Keyboard & Mouse"? I don't know whether I have that _because_ I still have ksynaptics installed, or whether it's separate. -- derek From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 18:06:37 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:06:37 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <2037682.LMFJX2EdL9@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> <2037682.LMFJX2EdL9@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810221406.43908.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 8:32:53 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:55:27 am Scott wrote: > >> In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to > >> enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. > > > > Scott, what is the URL for this wiki? I am using 8.04 and would like to > > see > > what it says about that. When I googled, the only wiki was gentoo > > hosted. > > That would be the info mentioned earlier about creating the .fdi file for > hal - the file is supposedly included in Intrepid. > Doesn't seem to work on the eee. Saw something about a kernel module being disabled? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 18:25:43 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:25:43 -0400 Subject: synaptics touchpad on ubuntu eee In-Reply-To: <48FE949A.6010909@bmts.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810210409k6f5f2203j25e486ab7f48d6fc@mail.gmail.com> <200810211445.44530.art.alexion@gmail.com> <48FE949A.6010909@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200810221425.47700.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:48:58 pm Scott wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 10:55:27 am Scott wrote: > >> In the synaptics touchpad wiki entry it mentions you no longer need to > >> enable SHMConfig in Intrepid 8.10. > > > > Scott, what is the URL for this wiki?  I am using 8.04 and would like to > > see what it says about that.  When I googled, the only wiki was gentoo > > hosted. > > Its at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad.  It does > have some good stuff about 8.04 as well. Except it doesn't work. 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Hamra wrote: > >> Jim Douglas wrote: > >> > >> > >> intrepid or hardy? not sure it makes a difference either way. > >> i have intrepid here, and the above command works flawlessly from the > >> run dialog (alt+f2) and from konsole. > > > > Does not work in 8.04.1 with KDE 3.5.10.  kdesu works fine. > > works fine for me.  Since kdesu is only supposed to be a symlink to > kdesudo, I'd have to guess that you have (both) somehow managed to not > install the "kdesudo" package. Turns out it was installed and works from konsole, but for some reason doesn't work with +< I would expect this is some sort of path issue, except how would konsole be able to find it? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Oct 22 18:32:56 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:32:56 -0400 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: <48FF61A9.5080509@drofle.com> References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> <48FF61A9.5080509@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200810221433.01052.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 22 October 2008 1:23:53 pm Neil Winchurst wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> Thanks for that info. I don't use laptops, but I do realise that there > >> is no keypad. I didn't know that having numlock on would cause any > >> problems with a laptop. I expected it to be simply ignored. > >> > >> Anyway, the problem is sorted. I installed numlockx this morning and > >> this afternoon, when I logged on using Fluxbox, the numlock light came > >> on, so it is now working. > >> > >> Neil > > > > There is a keypad and that is the problem. The key pad is over the > > keys on the right half of the keyboard. Look close at a keyboard and > > you will see the numbers ghosted next to the normal letters. > > http://www.notebookforum.at/notebooktest/D620/DellLatitudeD620Bericht_dat > >eien/PicHQ/KeyboardHQ.jpg > > Well, I am certainly learning things today. I have never noticed that > before. So how do you turn those keys into a keypad equivalent? The FN key in the lower left is used to activate the keys. -- David M. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 18:36:50 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:36:50 -0400 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200810221436.50467.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:36:23 am Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > > I have been using Fluxbox for a while now and I am getting on quite well > > with it. (I am running it on top of Kubuntu Gutsy). > > > > I have noticed that the numlock key is not activated when I startup > > Fluxbox. This was true for Gutsy also, but I have altered that now. (Why > > the default in (k)ununtu is to start with the numlock off is beyond me, > > but that is by the way.) > > Have you evder tried using a laptop with num-lock on ? half the > keybord suddenly disapears :) That doesn't seem to be the case with my Compaq evo n610c, nor my eee 1000. Both seem to require numlock on and the Fn key combo to use the letters as numkeys instead of alpha. I always thought it was a holdover from the old XT keyboards that had the arrow and numpad on the same keys. If numlock was on, you couldn't use the arrow keys. Modern 101/103 keyboards still have this but also have a separate group of arrow keys. I don't know why. Is it just to accommodate people who are still used to the XT? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jdesmond at fast.net Wed Oct 22 19:33:16 2008 From: jdesmond at fast.net (jdesmond at fast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:33:16 -0400 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1224703996.48ff7ffc207a6@webmail.uslec.net> Salutations, gentlefolk, As my old Windows computer is hittingthe 'one-horse-shay' point, I decided to join the 21st century, and acquired a lightly-used Dell Dimension 8200 running Kubuntu (Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic, KDE 3.5.9) Got the bright idea that I could install old hard disk - with FAT32 file system - in new computer, make shifting files easier. So, following instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive typed into terminal: sudo lshw -C disk with the results *-disk:0 description: ATA Disk product: MAXTOR 6L080J4 vendor: Maxtor physical id: 0 bus info: scsi at 0:0.0.0 logical name: /dev/sda version: A93. serial: 664218617651 size: 74GiB (80GB) capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=00000001 *-disk:1 description: ATA Disk product: WDC WD800JB-00FM vendor: Western Digital physical id: 0.1.0 bus info: scsi at 0:0.1.0 logical name: /dev/sdb version: 13.0 serial: WD-WCAJ93326997 size: 74GiB (80GB) capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos configuration: ansiversion=5 *-cdrom ... then typed in: john at blackbox:~$ sudo mkdir /media/westdigA john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/westdigA and got back: mount: you must specify the filesystem type So, going to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions I inputted, and received: john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,exec /dev/sdb /media/westdigA [sudo] password for john: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so So: john at blackbox:~$ dmesg | tail [66288.808561] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [66289.307943] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [66289.643516] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [66290.066992] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [66290.486446] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [66290.901925] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [66291.199633] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK [66291.199642] end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 19872 [68788.543978] FAT: invalid media value (0x06) [68788.543987] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb. OK, what doth I do now ? Second, is there any Linux clupboard manager equivalent to ClipMate (www.thornsoft.com for details thereon) ? Used to that productivity tool, miss it now. Thanks very much for your help with these questions. Yours, John Desmond From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 19:59:13 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:59:13 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions In-Reply-To: <1224703996.48ff7ffc207a6@webmail.uslec.net> References: <1224703996.48ff7ffc207a6@webmail.uslec.net> Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10810221259w719ed80eh2ec18991de9c1000@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:33 PM, wrote: [...] > john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/westdigA [...] sdb is the whole harddisk. sdb[1-9] are the partitions. You can only mount a partition, not the whole harddisk. -- Greetings, Gordon. From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 21:14:39 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:14:39 -0400 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions In-Reply-To: <1224703996.48ff7ffc207a6@webmail.uslec.net> References: <1224703996.48ff7ffc207a6@webmail.uslec.net> Message-ID: <200810221714.39247.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Wednesday 22 October 2008 3:33:16 pm jdesmond at fast.net wrote: >  john at blackbox:~$  sudo mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,exec /dev/sdb > /media/westdigA [sudo] password for john: > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb refers to your second hard drive. /dev/sdb1 refers to the first data partition on your second hard drive. Assumeing your drive has only one partition, adjust your syntax accordingly, and that should do it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:21:39 +0300 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions In-Reply-To: <200810221714.39247.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <1224703996.48ff7ffc207a6@webmail.uslec.net> <200810221714.39247.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FF9963.7030206@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 3:33:16 pm jdesmond at fast.net wrote: >> �john at blackbox:~$ �sudo mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,exec /dev/sdb >> /media/westdigA [sudo] password for john: >> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, > > /dev/sdb refers to your second hard drive. > /dev/sdb1 refers to the first data partition on your second hard drive. > Assumeing your drive has only one partition, adjust your syntax accordingly, > and that should do it. > in order to know for sure the names of ur partitions, if there is more than one, run the following command in a konsole: sudo fdisk /dev/sdb -l -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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I don't know about ClipMate, but KDE comes with (or it can be installed quickly) 'klipper' which is pretty damn productive! Also remember that in most desktop managers simply *selecting* text copies it to a kind of voodoo clipboard in the sky and you can paste that by middle-click (usually clicking the mouse wheel does this). So you get ctrl-C/V and Select/Middle-click which gives you two clipboards right off the bat. \d From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Oct 22 23:52:58 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:52:58 -0700 Subject: if you don't like the kickoff menu In-Reply-To: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> References: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810221652.58502.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 20 October 2008 4:00:04 am O. Sinclair wrote: > http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main > > wish it existed for kde3.... KDE4 IS available for KDE 3...!! :) :) -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Oct 23 03:41:38 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:41:38 +0100 Subject: Intrepid install disk problem - bluetooth hangs on boot In-Reply-To: <48FDADCF.2040201@tiscali.co.uk> References: <48FDADCF.2040201@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <48FFF272.5000603@tiscali.co.uk> Wulfy wrote: > I decided that as there is a major change of version for KDE, I'd > reinstall rather than upgrade. I downloaded the files (both the amd-64 > and the i386) for the live CD and tried to boot into the live version to > see what it looked like. It hangs for a couple of minutes while it > tries to configure my network card (which I don't use) and then zips > through to near the end of the boot sequence and hangs on the > bluetooth. As far as I know, I don't have any bluetooth stuff in my > computer but it hangs for at least 5 minutes (I don't have patience to > wait any longer). > > Is there any way to say "ignore bluetooth" to the boot process so I can > get to the end and see the desktop? > > Does no-one have any suggestions? If not, I suppose I'll just have to upgrade... can't install if I can't boot the system! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Oct 23 04:22:15 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:22:15 -0700 Subject: sed experts. Help Message-ID: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> Sed experts, I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line removed. The line begins with... References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <490000A0.6020709@yahoo.com> Rick Knight wrote: > Sed experts, > > I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line > removed. The line begins with... > > > and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to > remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? > > Thanks, > Rick > > I have found a bunch of sed stuff here: http://student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt There is an example that shows how to remove Subject lines from messages. Look at that. I am not sure how to recursively walk through directories but I am sure someone else will chime in that that. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 04:54:10 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:54:10 -0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860810222154u52bb3190lb74b2c6766e6e491@mail.gmail.com> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed command, right? something like this should work... find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^.bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to revert. -Jared On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight wrote: > Sed experts, > > I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line > removed. The line begins with... > > > and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to > remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? > > Thanks, > Rick > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From kap4lin at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 05:32:31 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:32:31 -0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <2759cf860810222154u52bb3190lb74b2c6766e6e491@mail.gmail.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <2759cf860810222154u52bb3190lb74b2c6766e6e491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed > command, right? > > something like this should work... > > find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^ -type f -exec sed -i.bak '1d' {} \; this will delete the first line from every file and keep any other lines that begin with " ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups > (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to > revert. -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From jdesmond at fast.net Thu Oct 23 06:26:17 2008 From: jdesmond at fast.net (jdesmond at fast.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:26:17 -0400 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> Salutations, gentlefolk ! And thanks for the prompt advice! Now, I typed in: john at blackbox:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sdb -l and got: Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive And then: john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA mount: you must specify the filesystem type Second, have downloaded the file thunderbird-2.0.0.17.tar.gz, and extracted the contents. Trying to ifgure out how to get the program up and running and retreiving my Emails ? Thanks very much, again, for your help with these questions. Yours, John Desmond From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 06:50:33 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:50:33 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> References: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> Message-ID: <49001EB9.5030006@gmail.com> jdesmond at fast.net wrote: > Salutations, gentlefolk ! > > And thanks for the prompt advice! > > Now, I typed in: > > john at blackbox:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sdb -l > > and got: > > Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x00000000 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive > > And then: > > john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA > mount: you must specify the filesystem type > > > Second, have downloaded the file thunderbird-2.0.0.17.tar.gz, and extracted the > contents. Trying to ifgure out how to get the program up and running and > retreiving my Emails ? > I am not too good with the mount this and mount that but why don't you try and open System Settings from the menu, then go to the Advanced tab and choose Disks and Filesystems? I think you should be able to sort it from there. Thunderbird: From menu open Adept (found under System menu), search for Thunderbird. Expand the Thunderbird "arrow", choose Request Install and then press button Apply Changes. The Adept system is the main way of installing things in Kubuntu. Regards, Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 07:13:41 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:13:41 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> References: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> Message-ID: <200810230913.41141.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA > mount: you must specify the filesystem type Try: fdisk -l /dev/sdb That should show you what type 55 is. Then try your mount again. > Second, have downloaded the file thunderbird-2.0.0.17.tar.gz, and extracted Try kmail first! > the contents. Trying to ifgure out how to get the program up and running > and retreiving my Emails ? Should be able to go into that directory and type: ./thunderbird If not: chmod u+x thunderbird then: ./thunderbird (assuming the name of the run-file is 'thunderbird' ... ) If that works, then you can make a shortcut icon on your KDE desktop or wherever. Include the full path to the 'thunderbird' executable file. \d -- "Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From ollie at techieinblack.info Thu Oct 23 07:42:40 2008 From: ollie at techieinblack.info (Ollie Killingback) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:42:40 +0100 Subject: Alt+F2 history Message-ID: <49002AF0.5010307@techieinblack.info> I frequently access internet sites by getting the run dialogue with Alt+F2 and typing the address. It has a complete history, which is very useful, but which has now become cluttered, so I decided to clear it out. Ideally I'd like to edit it, but I suppose a complete clear out would be acceptable. Can I find it? No! I'm using Feisty, and I'd be grateful for any pointers. -- Ollie K http://picasaweb.google.com/ollie.killingback Registered Linux User #416431 http://counter.li.org Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 08:16:00 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:16:00 +0200 Subject: Alt+F2 history In-Reply-To: <49002AF0.5010307@techieinblack.info> References: <49002AF0.5010307@techieinblack.info> Message-ID: <200810231016.00449.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 23 October 2008 09:42:40 Ollie Killingback wrote: >  Can I find it?  No!  I'm using Feisty, and I'd be > grateful for any pointers. I found mine in: ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc I am on Gutsy. hth, \d From ed.lau at mail.ee Thu Oct 23 08:00:19 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:00:19 +0300 Subject: Alt+F2 history In-Reply-To: <49002AF0.5010307@techieinblack.info> References: <49002AF0.5010307@techieinblack.info> Message-ID: <49002F13.2010508@mail.ee> > I frequently access internet sites by getting the run dialogue with > Alt+F2 and typing the address. It has a complete history, which is very > useful, but which has now become cluttered, so I decided to clear it > out. Ideally I'd like to edit it, but I suppose a complete clear out > would be acceptable. Can I find it? No! I'm using Feisty, and I'd be > grateful for any pointers. 1) Press ALT+F2 and type kcontrol - it will run KDE Control Center 2) Open "Security and Privacy" 3) Open "Privacy" 4) There are all checkboxes marked. Tick off those you want not to clear (if any) 5) Press "Clear" button bottom right 6) That's it! I must apologize if some of my menu choices aren't the exact as in your system. I use KDE in Estonian language and I translated on the fly those terms. Best Regards, Edmund From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 09:34:28 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:34:28 +0200 Subject: Fluxbox and NumLock In-Reply-To: <48FF61A9.5080509@drofle.com> References: <48FF04C8.5010301@drofle.com> <48FF3E0D.9020804@drofle.com> <48FF61A9.5080509@drofle.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Knapp wrote: >>> Thanks for that info. I don't use laptops, but I do realise that there >>> is no keypad. I didn't know that having numlock on would cause any >>> problems with a laptop. I expected it to be simply ignored. >>> >>> Anyway, the problem is sorted. I installed numlockx this morning and >>> this afternoon, when I logged on using Fluxbox, the numlock light came >>> on, so it is now working. >>> >>> Neil >> >> There is a keypad and that is the problem. The key pad is over the >> keys on the right half of the keyboard. Look close at a keyboard and >> you will see the numbers ghosted next to the normal letters. >> http://www.notebookforum.at/notebooktest/D620/DellLatitudeD620Bericht_dateien/PicHQ/KeyboardHQ.jpg > > Well, I am certainly learning things today. I have never noticed that > before. So how do you turn those keys into a keypad equivalent? > > Neil The answer was posted. I found out because I let my baby pound on my keyboard for 30 seconds and then when I went to use it, all I got where numbers on half the board. At first I thought I had trashed my computer! After a bit of searching (5 min of panic) I finally saw that little key! I felt sort of dumb for my panic. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 09:48:32 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:48:32 -0400 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> References: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:26 AM, wrote: > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive > > And then: > > john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA > mount: you must specify the filesystem type EZ-Drive is microsoft's implementation of LVM. It is not a standard NTFS partition. I don't know if mount currently handles it. Perhaps someone has an answer? If you boot windows, right click "my computer and select manage, there is a branch of the tree for managing drives. Using that utility, you can convert the drive to regular NTFS and mount it under Linux. -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 11:57:18 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:57:18 +0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <4900669E.309@gmail.com> Rick Knight wrote: > Sed experts, > > I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line > removed. The line begins with... > > > and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to > remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? > > Thanks, > Rick > > why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: $grep - v " References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860810230611j2bd107b9p469d78fa15a461e3@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Rick Knight wrote: >> Sed experts, >> >> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >> removed. The line begins with... >> >> > >> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >> > why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: > $grep - v " will match every line but not mentioned. Sed (with the -i option) has the added benefit of editing in-place. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 13:24:41 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:24:41 +0200 Subject: if you don't like the kickoff menu In-Reply-To: <48FC9B26.5010009@gmail.com> References: <48FC64B4.90608@gmail.com> <48FC9B26.5010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49007B19.4080604@gmail.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main >> >> wish it existed for kde3.... >> >> > have you tried tasty menu? > >sudo apt-get install tastymenu > then add this applet to your panel. It's quite similar. > I did and you are right and I am now using it! thanx Sinclair From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 23 14:28:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:28:28 -0300 Subject: sed experts. Help References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1915779.0IT0SRZGkj@cedar.serverforest.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Rick Knight wrote: >> Sed experts, >> >> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >> removed. The line begins with... >> >> > >> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >> > why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: > $grep - v " will match every line but not mentioned. OK, and then how do you get the output into 1000 different files? -- derek From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 15:08:29 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:08:29 +0200 Subject: Sound problem in Kubuntu 8.10 Message-ID: Dear everybody Already for more than 1 year I have been trying to access my sound card in my PC - first via Kubuntu 7.10, today via Kubuntu 8.10. But still no sound at all! I have tried to follow the instructions at this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 This is the so-called 'Comprehensive sound check Problem Solutions Guide'. At the Windows partition, the sound works OK - so there is no hardware problem. Moreover, Linux does recognise my sound card. The terminal command lspci -v delivers -amongst others!- the following result: (....) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2a28 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at ffa3c000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel (....) Here I see the first strange thing: " Capabilities: ". Could this (partly) explain the problem I am dealing with? Via this page: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0 ... I found out that needed to install the driver 'intel8x0'. I have done in the ways suggested by the '.... Solutions Guide'.... Can anyone give me a clue what to do next? Thanks for your repy. Bas Roufs. -- =============== Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht M. +31.6.446.835.10 T. +31.30.785.20.40. BasRoufs at gmail.com =============== From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Oct 23 15:09:43 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:09:43 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> References: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:26 AM, wrote: >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive >> >> And then: >> >> john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA >> mount: you must specify the filesystem type > > EZ-Drive is microsoft's implementation of LVM. It is not a standard > NTFS partition. I don't know if mount currently handles it. Perhaps > someone has an answer? > > If you boot windows, right click "my computer and select manage, > there is a branch of the tree for managing drives. Using that > utility, you can convert the drive to regular NTFS and mount it under > Linux. > > I am afraid, this is not correct. Imho EZ-drive was used years ago as a sort of overlay Bios to use the full harddrive capacity when the old Bios could not recognize (all of) it. To remove it, google for "ez drive removal" or have a look here for more insight on the associated problems (attention: this one is for a maxtor Harddisk, yours is western digital!). Kind regards Eberhard http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/43457-maxtor-hd.html#post194418 From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Oct 23 15:18:13 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:18:13 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> References: <1224743177.49001909dd6bd@webmail.uslec.net> <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:26 AM, wrote: >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive >> >> And then: >> >> john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA >> mount: you must specify the filesystem type > > EZ-Drive is microsoft's implementation of LVM. It is not a standard > NTFS partition. I don't know if mount currently handles it. Perhaps > someone has an answer? > > If you boot windows, right click "my computer and select manage, > there is a branch of the tree for managing drives. Using that > utility, you can convert the drive to regular NTFS and mount it under > Linux. > > Hi, sorry for posting twice. Just to add to it: http://fatooh.org/misc/ez-drive.html Title: How to Remove EZ-Drive Without Reinstalling or Moving Data Best of all: as it seems, things can be done from linux. Kind regards Eberhard From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 15:24:21 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:24:21 -0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <2759cf860810222154u52bb3190lb74b2c6766e6e491@mail.gmail.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <2759cf860810222154u52bb3190lb74b2c6766e6e491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> Jared, sed -i '/^ there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed > command, right? > > something like this should work... > > find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^ \; > > ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups > (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to > revert. > > -Jared > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight wrote: > > Sed experts, > > > > I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line > > removed. The line begins with... > > > > > > > and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to > > remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? > > > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 15:40:11 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:40:11 +0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <1915779.0IT0SRZGkj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> <1915779.0IT0SRZGkj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49009ADB.3090200@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Alexander Smirnov wrote: > > >> Rick Knight wrote: >> >>> Sed experts, >>> >>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>> removed. The line begins with... >>> >>> >> >>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >> why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: >> $grep - v "> will match every line but not mentioned. >> > > OK, and then how do you get the output into 1000 different files? > something like #!/bin/sh mkdir new_files for a in 'ls'; do grep - v " new_files/$a done; this solution doesn't change original files. This could be a benefit :) yes, i do know about -i.ext sed option :) From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Oct 23 15:49:40 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:49:40 -0700 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900669E.309@gmail.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49009D14.1040101@rlknight.com> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Rick Knight wrote: > >> Sed experts, >> >> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >> removed. The line begins with... >> >> > >> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >> >> > why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: > $grep - v " will match every line but not mentioned. > > Doesn't have to be sed. Sed just came to mind as a way to do what I need to do, remove a line of code from the top of several php files. I know how to use grep to find the line of text. How would I use grep to remove it? WOuld I pipe the output of grep to rm? Thanks, Rick From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Oct 23 17:00:51 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:00:51 -0700 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <2759cf860810230611j2bd107b9p469d78fa15a461e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> <2759cf860810230611j2bd107b9p469d78fa15a461e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4900ADC3.9060507@rlknight.com> Jared Greenwald wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Alexander Smirnov > wrote: > >> Rick Knight wrote: >> >>> Sed experts, >>> >>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>> removed. The line begins with... >>> >>> >> >>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >> why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: >> $grep - v "> will match every line but not mentioned. >> > > Sed (with the -i option) has the added benefit of editing in-place. > > There is a typo in my original post. The line of code I need to remove begins with... References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <2759cf860810222154u52bb3190lb74b2c6766e6e491@mail.gmail.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > Jared, > > sed -i '/^ can I add .bak to this command to have it backup the files? > will update all files in place, deleteing all lines beginning with: > > This should have been Make a backup first, since this is a very poerful command! > > > HTH, > > Glenn > > > On Thursday 23 October 2008 00:54:10 Jared Greenwald wrote: > >> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed >> command, right? >> >> something like this should work... >> >> find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^> \; >> >> ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups >> (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to >> revert. >> >> -Jared >> >> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight >> > wrote: > >>> Sed experts, >>> >>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>> removed. The line begins with... >>> >>> >> >>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rick >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> > > Thanks, Rick From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 17:15:32 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:15:32 -0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900ADC3.9060507@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <2759cf860810230611j2bd107b9p469d78fa15a461e3@mail.gmail.com> <4900ADC3.9060507@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <200810231315.32222.gloonie@earthlink.net> Rick, You just have to escape both the asterisks and the forward slashes, since they are metacharacters to sed. This should work: sed -i "/^ Jared Greenwald wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Alexander Smirnov > > > > wrote: > >> Rick Knight wrote: > >>> Sed experts, > >>> > >>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line > >>> removed. The line begins with... > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to > >>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Rick > >> > >> why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: > >> $grep - v " >> will match every line but not mentioned. > > > > Sed (with the -i option) has the added benefit of editing in-place. > > There is a typo in my original post. The line of code I need to remove > begins with... > > > Note the addition of /**/ to the line. When I add this to the sed > command I get an error... > > sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unknown option to `s' > > I assume this means I need to escape the /**/ somehow but when I pu \ in > front of / I get a different error... > > sed: -e expression #1, char 40: Invalid preceding regular expression > > How do I get past this? > > Thanks, > Rick -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Bildiğin ayranı bilmediğin yoğurda değişme -- Atasöz From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 17:20:15 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:20:15 -0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> To add a backup file, just put the suffix you want after the "-i" option. In this example, I have sed name backup files with a ".bak" suffix: sed -i.bak "/^ Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Jared, > > > > sed -i '/^ > can I add .bak to this command to have it backup the files? > > > will update all files in place, deleteing all lines beginning with: > > > > > This should have been would I add /**/ to this command? > > > Make a backup first, since this is a very poerful command! > > > > > > HTH, > > > > Glenn > > > > On Thursday 23 October 2008 00:54:10 Jared Greenwald wrote: > >> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed > >> command, right? > >> > >> something like this should work... > >> > >> find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^ >> {} \; > >> > >> ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups > >> (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to > >> revert. > >> > >> -Jared > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight > > > > wrote: > >>> Sed experts, > >>> > >>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line > >>> removed. The line begins with... > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to > >>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Rick > >>> > >>> -- > >>> kubuntu-users mailing list > >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Thanks, > Rick -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- The footprints of occupation are beautiful when they are in a museum -- Mahmoud Darwish From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Oct 23 17:37:19 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:37:19 -0700 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > To add a backup file, just put the suffix you want after the "-i" option. In > this example, I have sed name backup files with a ".bak" suffix: > > sed -i.bak "/^ > Glenn > One more question, How can I make this command work recursively. I tried just adding "find -type f exec" to the front of the command but it gives an error... find: missing argument to `-exec' I've also added the file exstension to Jarreds command but that also gives an error... find: paths must precede expression. How can I combine recursive function and the file extension? There are several .html and .cfg files that don't need to fixed, so I would like to avoid them if possible. Thanks, Rick > On Thursday 23 October 2008 13:04:17 Rick Knight wrote: > >> Glenn R Williams wrote: >> >>> Jared, >>> >>> sed -i '/^>> >> can I add .bak to this command to have it backup the files? >> >> >>> will update all files in place, deleteing all lines beginning with: >>> >>> >> >> This should have been > would I add /**/ to this command? >> >> >>> Make a backup first, since this is a very poerful command! >>> >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> On Thursday 23 October 2008 00:54:10 Jared Greenwald wrote: >>> >>>> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed >>>> command, right? >>>> >>>> something like this should work... >>>> >>>> find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^>>> {} \; >>>> >>>> ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups >>>> (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to >>>> revert. >>>> >>>> -Jared >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> Sed experts, >>>>> >>>>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>>>> removed. The line begins with... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>>>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> > > From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 17:45:59 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:45:59 +0200 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900ADC3.9060507@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> <2759cf860810230611j2bd107b9p469d78fa15a461e3@mail.gmail.com> <4900ADC3.9060507@rlknight.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/23 Rick Knight : > There is a typo in my original post. The line of code I need to remove > begins with... > > > Note the addition of /**/ to the line. When I add this to the sed > command I get an error... > > sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unknown option to `s' > > I assume this means I need to escape the /**/ somehow but when I pu \ in > front of / I get a different error... > > sed: -e expression #1, char 40: Invalid preceding regular expression > > How do I get past this? > > Thanks, > Rick > You don't have to use the '/' as a delimiter in sed, you can use other character like '@'. So if you searching strings with many '/' it will be easier to read the sed script. So the script would be something like this (Warning untested): find -type f -iname *.php -exec sed -i.bak '@^ I have been running HH with with both KDE 3.5.10 and 4.1.2. Primarily I have stayed with 3.5 but am considering upgrading to II and am doing a little pre-planning. The upgrade to II will upgrade my KDE to v4. Now, since I already have v4 on my system is it likely to loose its mind or will it know what to do? Should I remove all vestiges of KDE v4 first? -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 17:48:37 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:48:37 -0400 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860810231048q7aa7fccby56eecee608bef34b@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget that when using the -exec option to find {} is the currently-found file/object and you need to end your command with \; If you were to be just looking for php files to update... find -type f -name "*.php" -exec sed -i.bak "/^ is the top of the directory where all of this is residing. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Rick Knight wrote: > Glenn R Williams wrote: >> To add a backup file, just put the suffix you want after the "-i" option. In >> this example, I have sed name backup files with a ".bak" suffix: >> >> sed -i.bak "/^> >> Glenn >> > One more question, How can I make this command work recursively. I tried > just adding "find -type f exec" to the front of the command but > it gives an error... > > find: missing argument to `-exec' > > I've also added the file exstension to Jarreds command but that also > gives an error... > > find: paths must precede expression. > > How can I combine recursive function and the file extension? There are > several .html and .cfg files that don't need to fixed, so I would like > to avoid them if possible. > > Thanks, > Rick >> On Thursday 23 October 2008 13:04:17 Rick Knight wrote: >> >>> Glenn R Williams wrote: >>> >>>> Jared, >>>> >>>> sed -i '/^>>> >>> can I add .bak to this command to have it backup the files? >>> >>> >>>> will update all files in place, deleteing all lines beginning with: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> This should have been >> would I add /**/ to this command? >>> >>> >>>> Make a backup first, since this is a very poerful command! >>>> >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>> On Thursday 23 October 2008 00:54:10 Jared Greenwald wrote: >>>> >>>>> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed >>>>> command, right? >>>>> >>>>> something like this should work... >>>>> >>>>> find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^>>>> {} \; >>>>> >>>>> ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups >>>>> (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to >>>>> revert. >>>>> >>>>> -Jared >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Sed experts, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>>>>> removed. The line begins with... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>>>>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Rick >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rick >>> >> >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 17:50:54 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:50:54 +0200 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/23 Rick Knight : > One more question, How can I make this command work recursively. I tried > just adding "find -type f exec" to the front of the command but > it gives an error... > > find: missing argument to `-exec' > I think you missed the '{}' \; that must be last if you use -exec with find. > I've also added the file exstension to Jarreds command but that also > gives an error... > > find: paths must precede expression. > > How can I combine recursive function and the file extension? There are > several .html and .cfg files that don't need to fixed, so I would like > to avoid them if possible. > Use the -name or -iname options with fine find -type f -iname *.php - exec.... / Jonas From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu Thu Oct 23 17:55:32 2008 From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:55:32 -0500 Subject: Upgrading HH to II - KDE v4 In-Reply-To: <4900B87D.2080301@lemmons.name> References: <4900B87D.2080301@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810231255.32960.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> On Thursday October 23 2008 12:46:37 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > I have been running HH with with both KDE 3.5.10 and 4.1.2. Primarily I > have stayed with 3.5 but am considering upgrading to II and am doing a > little pre-planning. The upgrade to II will upgrade my KDE to v4. Now, > since I already have v4 on my system is it likely to loose its mind or > will it know what to do? Should I remove all vestiges of KDE v4 first? Depends. I just upgraded from 8.04-KDE4 to 8.10, and here's what I had to do: 1. In 8.04, your KDE settings folder is .kde4, in 8.10 it's .kde. So before you log in to KDE for the first time, drop back to a terminal and "mv .kde4/ -t .kde/" or it won't find your settings. 2. If you've got hand-compiled programs (I run the svn version of Krusader, but also any compiled Plasmoids or whatever) "sudo make uninstall" them before upgrading and install them fresh afterward. I did not do this with Krusader, and some renamed libs in Cmake meant I couldn't do it afterward and had to uninstall by hand using the InstallManifest.txt file. It was massive PITA. 3. You may or may not need to reinstall your printer. I've been having trouble with mine. That should be it. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu Thu Oct 23 18:00:04 2008 From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:00:04 -0500 Subject: Upgrading HH to II - KDE v4 In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810231057w337c5350pa50da1cda8ad2981@mail.gmail.com> References: <4900B87D.2080301@lemmons.name> <15edeae40810231057w337c5350pa50da1cda8ad2981@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810231300.04444.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> On Thursday October 23 2008 12:57:47 pm Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/10/23 Paul Lemmons : > > I have been running HH with with both KDE 3.5.10 and 4.1.2. Primarily I > > have stayed with 3.5 but am considering upgrading to II and am doing a > > little pre-planning. The upgrade to II will upgrade my KDE to v4. Now, > > since I already have v4 on my system is it likely to loose its mind or > > will it know what to do? Should I remove all vestiges of KDE v4 first? > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion > > this is a nice summary to read, check the migration section, as far as > i can tell, > KDE4 in hardy will be discarded, and KDE3 will get upgraded to KDE4. If you let it do it automagically, that's what happens. See my other reply. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Oct 23 18:02:40 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:02:40 -0700 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <2759cf860810231048q7aa7fccby56eecee608bef34b@mail.gmail.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> <2759cf860810231048q7aa7fccby56eecee608bef34b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4900BC40.50605@rlknight.com> Jared Greenwald wrote: > Don't forget that when using the -exec option to find {} is the > currently-found file/object and you need to end your command with \; > > If you were to be just looking for php files to update... > > find -type f -name "*.php" -exec sed -i.bak "/^ \/\*\*\/eval(base64_decode(/d" {} \; > > Where is the top of the directory where all of this is residing. > Thanks Jared, I had tried -name *.php, but I had not added the quotes. Thanks, Rick > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Rick Knight wrote: > >> Glenn R Williams wrote: >> >>> To add a backup file, just put the suffix you want after the "-i" option. In >>> this example, I have sed name backup files with a ".bak" suffix: >>> >>> sed -i.bak "/^>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> >> One more question, How can I make this command work recursively. I tried >> just adding "find -type f exec" to the front of the command but >> it gives an error... >> >> find: missing argument to `-exec' >> >> I've also added the file exstension to Jarreds command but that also >> gives an error... >> >> find: paths must precede expression. >> >> How can I combine recursive function and the file extension? There are >> several .html and .cfg files that don't need to fixed, so I would like >> to avoid them if possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >>> On Thursday 23 October 2008 13:04:17 Rick Knight wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Glenn R Williams wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jared, >>>>> >>>>> sed -i '/^>>>> >>>>> >>>> can I add .bak to this command to have it backup the files? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> will update all files in place, deleteing all lines beginning with: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> This should have been >>> would I add /**/ to this command? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Make a backup first, since this is a very poerful command! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday 23 October 2008 00:54:10 Jared Greenwald wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed >>>>>> command, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> something like this should work... >>>>>> >>>>>> find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^>>>>> {} \; >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups >>>>>> (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to >>>>>> revert. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Jared >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Sed experts, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>>>>>> removed. The line begins with... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>>>>>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Rick >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Thu Oct 23 18:03:34 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:03:34 +0200 Subject: Sound problem in Kubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810232003.36006.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Hi Bas. Welcome to the sound problems club. Suggestions below. On Thursday 23 October 2008 17:08, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > Already for more than 1 year I have been trying to access my sound > card in my PC - first via Kubuntu 7.10, today via Kubuntu 8.10. But > still no sound at all! > I have tried to follow the instructions at this page: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 > This is the so-called 'Comprehensive sound check Problem Solutions Guide'. > > At the Windows partition, the sound works OK - so there is no hardware > problem. Moreover, Linux does recognise my sound card. The terminal > command lspci -v delivers -amongst others!- the following result: > (....) > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 > Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) > Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2a28 > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 > Memory at ffa3c000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] > Capabilities: > Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel > Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel > > > (....) > > Here I see the first strange thing: > " Capabilities: ". > > Could this (partly) explain the problem I am dealing with? No. To see the capabilities, you have to run lspci as root (eg: sudo lspci -v) > > Via this page: > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0 > ... I found out that needed to install the driver 'intel8x0'. > I have done in the ways suggested by the '.... Solutions Guide'.... > > Can anyone give me a clue what to do next? > > Thanks for your repy. > > Bas Roufs. I havn't got Intrepid 8.10 installed, but do have both 7.10, and 8.04 on one of my machines, which uses an hda intel soundcard, and the sounds work ok. Saying that though, there are many, many different versions of this card, using different codecs. The first question is, is this a laptop, or PC, and make, and model please. Do you have any usb devices which are sound related plugged in? For example, webcams, usb midi keyboards, etc. If so remove them temporarily. Do you get any output from the following commands? (all run as user) cat /proc/asound/version cat /proc/asound/cards lsmod | grep snd Post back, and we will see how this goes. I'm not a sound guru, but have helped out from time to time. Nigel. From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 18:08:29 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:08:29 -0400 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: References: <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810231408.37213.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 23 October 2008 11:09:43 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:26 AM,   wrote: > >>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System > >> /dev/sdb1   *           1        1023     8217243   55  EZ-Drive > >> > >> And then: > >> > >> john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA > >> mount: you must specify the filesystem type > > > > EZ-Drive is microsoft's implementation of LVM.  It is not a standard > > NTFS partition.  I don't know if mount currently handles it.  Perhaps > > someone has an answer? > > > > If you boot windows, right click "my computer and select  manage, > > there is a branch of the tree for managing drives.  Using that > > utility, you can convert the drive to regular NTFS and mount it under > > Linux. > > I am afraid, this is not correct. > > Imho EZ-drive was used years ago as a sort of overlay Bios to use the > full harddrive capacity when the old Bios could not recognize (all of) it. OK. I was wrong about it being a MS product, and it is not LVM, but it functions like LVM in that it can also have a large logical partition span multiple disks. I responded to this without web research, but based on the advice of a co-worker when I first encountered one of these partitions last week. WindowsXP would not mount the drive automatically either. The disk management utility presented me with the options of "importing" it (essentially mounting it without changing it) or converting it to NTFS of FAT32. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Oct 23 18:17:38 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:17:38 -0700 Subject: sed experts. Help In-Reply-To: <4900BC40.50605@rlknight.com> References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <200810231124.21308.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900AE91.7000504@rlknight.com> <200810231320.15551.gloonie@earthlink.net> <4900B64F.3030902@rlknight.com> <2759cf860810231048q7aa7fccby56eecee608bef34b@mail.gmail.com> <4900BC40.50605@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <4900BFC2.9010600@rlknight.com> Rick Knight wrote: > Jared Greenwald wrote: > >> Don't forget that when using the -exec option to find {} is the >> currently-found file/object and you need to end your command with \; >> >> If you were to be just looking for php files to update... >> >> find -type f -name "*.php" -exec sed -i.bak "/^> \/\*\*\/eval(base64_decode(/d" {} \; >> >> Where is the top of the directory where all of this is residing. >> >> > Thanks Jared, I had tried -name *.php, but I had not added the quotes. > > Thanks, > Rick > > >> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Rick Knight wrote: >> >> >>> Glenn R Williams wrote: >>> >>> >>>> To add a backup file, just put the suffix you want after the "-i" option. In >>>> this example, I have sed name backup files with a ".bak" suffix: >>>> >>>> sed -i.bak "/^>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> One more question, How can I make this command work recursively. I tried >>> just adding "find -type f exec" to the front of the command but >>> it gives an error... >>> >>> find: missing argument to `-exec' >>> >>> I've also added the file exstension to Jarreds command but that also >>> gives an error... >>> >>> find: paths must precede expression. >>> >>> How can I combine recursive function and the file extension? There are >>> several .html and .cfg files that don't need to fixed, so I would like >>> to avoid them if possible. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rick >>> >>> >>>> On Thursday 23 October 2008 13:04:17 Rick Knight wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Glenn R Williams wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jared, >>>>>> >>>>>> sed -i '/^>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> can I add .bak to this command to have it backup the files? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> will update all files in place, deleteing all lines beginning with: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> This should have been >>>> would I add /**/ to this command? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Make a backup first, since this is a very poerful command! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday 23 October 2008 00:54:10 Jared Greenwald wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> there's nothing that says you need to do all the files in one sed >>>>>>> command, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> something like this should work... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> find -type f -exec sed -i.bak 's/^>>>>>> {} \; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...Not only will it do all the line removal, it will also make backups >>>>>>> (as .bak) so if you screw up you will have the original files to >>>>>>> revert. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jared >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rick Knight >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sed experts, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>>>>>>> removed. The line begins with... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>>>>>>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Rick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > Everyone, Thanks for your help with this. A combination of all these commands worked perfectly. Thanks again, Rick From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 23 18:20:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:20:35 -0300 Subject: Sound problem in Kubuntu 8.10 References: <200810232003.36006.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <1798532.Tgri3QPch4@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Bas. Welcome to the sound problems club. Suggestions below. You may notice I respond to questions about anything _but_ sound. It "Just Works" on my current system, and I never could get it reliably working on my previous laptop (which my wife now uses, and probably hasn't realized has no sound). They're using the same intel on-board sound card, and same kernel! So, yeah, welcome to the sound problems club :-( -- derek From mlsoft at videotron.ca Thu Oct 23 19:44:47 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:44:47 -0400 Subject: Sound problem in Kubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810231544.48040.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Thursday 23 October 2008 11:08:29 Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > Already for more than 1 year I have been trying to access my sound > card in my PC - first via Kubuntu 7.10, today via Kubuntu 8.10. But > still no sound at all! > I have tried to follow the instructions at this page: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 > This is the so-called 'Comprehensive sound check Problem Solutions Guide'. > > At the Windows partition, the sound works OK - so there is no hardware > problem. Moreover, Linux does recognise my sound card. The terminal > command lspci -v delivers -amongst others!- the following result: > (....) > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 > Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) > Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2a28 > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 > Memory at ffa3c000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] > Capabilities: > Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel > Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel > > > (....) > > Here I see the first strange thing: > " Capabilities: ". > > Could this (partly) explain the problem I am dealing with? > > Via this page: > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0 > ... I found out that needed to install the driver 'intel8x0'. > I have done in the ways suggested by the '.... Solutions Guide'.... > > Can anyone give me a clue what to do next? > > Thanks for your repy. > > Bas Roufs. > 1- Did you unmute the sound? the sound is muted at install time. go to your kmixer, and be sure the volume levels are ok and unmuted. 2- Do the mixer SEE a intel card as the first sound card? (on top right corner of kmixer) 3- do the module snd_intel8x0 is loaded ? (lsmod | grep snd ) (it should be automatically loaded at boot time) 4- did you configure the sound card in kde ? (in kde-system-settings / sound ) these steps should assure you to detect what was the problem, and solve it. Just make sure to answer YES to the 4 questions. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 20:26:43 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:26:43 +0200 Subject: Sound problem in Kubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <200810231544.48040.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <200810231544.48040.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Hello Nigel, Derek, Martin and Everybody Else Thanks for all your quick input so far! I have to leave my PC for a few days. Sunday or Monday, I will check through all your suggestions and get back to you via this forum, in this thread. Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- =============== Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht M. +31.6.446.835.10 T. +31.30.785.20.40. BasRoufs at gmail.com =============== From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 20:58:03 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:58:03 -0400 Subject: Fresh install? In-Reply-To: <1390662.PU9u5TbSnD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48F61565.9050407@lemmons.name> <200810151246.29165.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2012748.ccsSXDnvWE@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810151602.06960.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <3788831.m4b84FTDDU@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224352256.1374.104.camel@iam> <4943431.ikflbPWkTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <1224556621.12643.201.camel@iam> <1390662.PU9u5TbSnD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1224795483.5888.10.camel@iam> On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 11:52 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > If there's "no trace" of an old install, I see no point in doing it. I've > spent 15 years assembling this mass of materials (some of it coming from > pre-Windows days) and I want to keep it. The beauty of a clean install on > Linux is that I _can_ do that, because programs, configuration, and data > are all separate. The beauty of an upgrade is that I can (usually) do it > faster. That wasn't my experience in the "Yum/RPM" world. Just one bleep or bloop on the line and potentially you could get hosed by a stalled upgrade. The Fedora List had it's share of people posting that is exactly what happened. So, I buy the DVD for cheap, and install fresh to a partition. I chain load both grubs and can also mount the other partition to move things over, slowly and effectively. Me, I dink with my system a lot too, so a fresh install has none of the dinkings I did... which were usually the result of some system tool being borked which I manually repaired. If I get lucky in the fresh install, if the problem became fixed, then my previous dinkings aren't in the way. So, I'm hesitant to disturb things. The case for fresh install vs Upgrading is purely personal. It depends on your/my experiences as to why one or the other would be used. I like having my fall-back position, as a result of my experiences from another Distro. Also, since this is my livelyhood, I'm darn cautious. Our Non-Profit has accumulated a bunch of writings, which I backup to another hard drive as well. But, I have to be up, online and running well in order to get paid. Just chalk me up as paranoid! :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Oct 23 22:40:38 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:40:38 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: <200810231408.37213.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> <200810231408.37213.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 23 October 2008 11:09:43 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:26 AM, wrote: >>>> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >>>> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive >>>> >>>> And then: >>>> >>>> john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA >>>> mount: you must specify the filesystem type >>> EZ-Drive is microsoft's implementation of LVM. It is not a standard >>> NTFS partition. I don't know if mount currently handles it. Perhaps >>> someone has an answer? >>> >>> If you boot windows, right click "my computer and select manage, >>> there is a branch of the tree for managing drives. Using that >>> utility, you can convert the drive to regular NTFS and mount it under >>> Linux. >> I am afraid, this is not correct. >> >> Imho EZ-drive was used years ago as a sort of overlay Bios to use the >> full harddrive capacity when the old Bios could not recognize (all of) it. > > OK. I was wrong about it being a MS product, and it is not LVM, but it > functions like LVM in that it can also have a large logical partition span > multiple disks. > > I responded to this without web research, but based on the advice of a > co-worker when I first encountered one of these partitions last week. > WindowsXP would not mount the drive automatically either. The disk > management utility presented me with the options of "importing" it > (essentially mounting it without changing it) or converting it to NTFS of > FAT32. > Well, honestly it is more than a decade ago that I used this for a 200 MB!! drive on my old 468/66. If I remember correctly this works as an intermediate Partitiontable which translates larger harddisk data to what old Biossses know. As both Windows (since NT 4 imho) and Linux for years work without Bios Support for reading disks, it might work ok. Nevertheless imho the real challenge is not how to convert the filesystem, but how to get cleanly rid of the ezcode within the mbr. Kind regards Eberhard From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Oct 24 01:11:02 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:11:02 -0700 Subject: sound problem Message-ID: <200810231811.02794.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> We have a problem with the sound after the recent kernel update. On the first 1525n everything works and on the second 1525n there is a red x and no sound. When you open the mixer window and look in the help menu under hardware information you find: "sound drivers supported:ALSA + OSS" "Sound drivers used: ALSA" on the one which works. On the other one you find: "sound drivers supported:ALSA + OSS" "Sound drivers used: ALSAOSS" "Experimental multiple-Driver mode activated" and there is no sound. Both machines with kernel 2.6.24-21- generic. However, if you boot the second machine into the prior 2.6.24-19 - generic the same readout as the first machine is attained and then there is sound. With the 21 kernel it will also state there is no soundcard found. Both of these machines are identical 1525n pre-installed Ubuntu machines. The first one however was updated to 8.04 from 7.10 while the second was pre-installed with 8.04. The manual says there is a kmixrc file which one can "enable" this multi driver mode but the file does not have the line it says to put in there. Any idea how to fix this? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From kap4lin at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 02:56:47 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:56:47 -0400 Subject: how to pin specific packages based on origin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM, P Kapat wrote: > Hi, > > Specifically, why doesn't the following pinning work? > > Package: *vlc* > Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net > Pin-Priority: 800 > > Whereas the following does: > > Package: * > Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net > Pin-Priority: 800 > > This is not what I want! I just want to pin the vlc packages from > launchpad at higher piority. This is not vlc or launchpad specific. I > have tried to ping other packages from different origin, without > success; unless I pin ALL (using *) packages from that origin! No apt- guru here? Share some of your apt-fu.... -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Fri Oct 24 12:50:15 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo El Feo) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:50:15 -0200 Subject: Guidance power manager; bugs? In-Reply-To: <200810220554.m9M5sDJW018890@srv3.neointeractiva.com> References: <200810220554.m9M5sDJW018890@srv3.neointeractiva.com> Message-ID: <200810241050.16181.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> I've been having that same problem since I moved to 8.04. And I still have it in 8.10 betas (haven't tried the RC yet). The only workaround I have so far is to close guidance and restart it after you put the battery in the laptop. My bet is that it has something to do with the hal, because all battery monitoring programs act the same. If you find something out there, please, post it here. Thanks El Wednesday 22 October 2008 03:29:23 Joan Tur escribió: > Hi, > > I've moved to Kubuntu 8.10 beta, and I've found a problem with > guidance-power- manager; in 8.04 I was using klaptopdaemon & Kde 3.5.10, > because I found the same problem there. > > I use to have the battery stored in its bag (it's a Sony TZ11 laptop); > powering on with no battery inserted means the icon shows as is it had a > fully charged battery, and I get no information about the battery if > inserted when online. > > The information in /proc/acpi/battery is displayed and actualized fine (I'm > using "watch -n2 cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state" to monitor it). > > > On the other hand, if the laptop has the battery inserted when powering on, > everything seems to work fine; it shows the actual charge, and removing or > adding the battery online works as expected. > > Any help? The "about" option shows https://launchpad.net/guidance, but it > seems not to be up to date, nor am I able to post a bug. > > Thanks ;) From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 24 13:19:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:19:25 -0300 Subject: how to pin specific packages based on origin References: Message-ID: <2028657.RI4FltLbIV@cedar.serverforest.com> P Kapat wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM, P Kapat wrote: >> >> Specifically, why doesn't the following pinning work? >> >> Package: *vlc* >> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net >> Pin-Priority: 800 >> >> Whereas the following does: >> >> Package: * >> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net >> Pin-Priority: 800 >> >> This is not what I want! I just want to pin the vlc packages from >> launchpad at higher piority. This is not vlc or launchpad specific. I >> have tried to ping other packages from different origin, without >> success; unless I pin ALL (using *) packages from that origin! > > No apt- guru here? Share some of your apt-fu.... Well, I've done it before, but pinning is pretty arcane and always liable to work differently from your expectations, so I gave it up. I went looking for examples when you asked, but I don't have anything left around. -- derek From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Oct 24 15:06:34 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:06:34 -0700 Subject: Fluxbox In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F9A166.3090102@drofle.com> <48FD900F.2080509@drofle.com> <5a1f6bd00810210343k8010131ta576c36049a354ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810240806.34814.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 3:43:49 am Art Alexion wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> Yes, very occasionally and hopefully eventually not at all. I am using > > > > Kubuntu Gutsy at the moment and I am still wary of trying out Hardy, let > > alone Intrepid. I suspect that it is all getting a bit too heavy for me > > and my needs, especially KDE in its new version. > > Hardy was a great uppgrade. No reason not to upgrade if you are using > gutsy. I understand the same is true of the non-KDE Intrepids. Yes, Hardy is likely to be my distro for awhile as it is to be supported for a longer time than intrepid. I also use KDE and so I want to keep 3 rather than go to 4 although I also have 4 on this Hardy install. > > Anyway, that is why I was trying out various window managers. > > Try IceWM and AfterStep as well. Also, there is xubuntu. I also have Xfce and Gnome installed on this laptop. Xfce has some nice features but not close to KDE. Nor is Gnome for that matter but it came with the base install so I kept it on the machine. I have been over there much less than I have been over to Xfce. I have been over to KDE4 everytime there comes updates for it just to see what has changed but seldom use it for anything. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From kap4lin at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 16:11:36 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:11:36 -0400 Subject: .kderc - needed? Message-ID: Hi, The file ~/.kderc has a few font and background color information. Is this used by KDE3 or KDE4 or both? Removing this file doesn't seem to change the "look-n-feel" of the KDE3 desktop. Any clues? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From kap4lin at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 16:11:41 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:11:41 -0400 Subject: .kderc - needed? Message-ID: Hi, The file ~/.kderc has a few font and background color information. Is this used by KDE3 or KDE4 or both? Removing this file doesn't seem to change the "look-n-feel" of the KDE3 desktop. Any clues? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From kap4lin at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 16:19:24 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:19:24 -0400 Subject: how to pin specific packages based on origin In-Reply-To: <2028657.RI4FltLbIV@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2028657.RI4FltLbIV@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > P Kapat wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM, P Kapat wrote: >>> >>> Specifically, why doesn't the following pinning work? >>> >>> Package: *vlc* >>> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net >>> Pin-Priority: 800 >>> >>> Whereas the following does: >>> >>> Package: * >>> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net >>> Pin-Priority: 800 >>> >>> This is not what I want! I just want to pin the vlc packages from >>> launchpad at higher piority. This is not vlc or launchpad specific. I >>> have tried to ping other packages from different origin, without >>> success; unless I pin ALL (using *) packages from that origin! >> >> No apt- guru here? Share some of your apt-fu.... > > Well, I've done it before, but pinning is pretty arcane and always liable to > work differently from your expectations, so I gave it up. I went looking > for examples when you asked, but I don't have anything left around. Thanks Derek. I certainly agree with your point of pinning being arcane. I've always stayed away from it, unless forced to. The current days in Hardy are very difficult. I want to use some of the latest software like vlc, opera, R, etc. but official repos won't have them. So, I have to resort to other repos, and of them, ppa.launchpad is a huge one. But I don't want unnecessary packages to be upgraded just because of enabling these repos. So, I am forced to apt-pinning. Where do you suggest I mail? Debian-users? Anywhere apt-specific? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 17:35:28 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:35:28 +0200 Subject: .kderc - needed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810241935.28914.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday, 24 October 2008 18:11:36 P Kapat wrote: > Any clues? None. Keep a backup and ignore it. If all hell breaks loose, restore it. \d From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 17:42:24 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:42:24 +0200 Subject: Dumb gnubie hard disk question, part II In-Reply-To: References: <5a1f6bd00810230248l49b5f0b5vab891b5c77428c30@mail.gmail.com> <200810231408.37213.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/24 Eberhard Roloff : > Art Alexion wrote: >> On Thursday 23 October 2008 11:09:43 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> Art Alexion wrote: >>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:26 AM, wrote: >>>>> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >>>>> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1023 8217243 55 EZ-Drive >>>>> >>>>> And then: >>>>> >>>>> john at blackbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/westdigA >>>>> mount: you must specify the filesystem type >>>> EZ-Drive is microsoft's implementation of LVM. It is not a standard >>>> NTFS partition. I don't know if mount currently handles it. Perhaps >>>> someone has an answer? >>>> >>>> If you boot windows, right click "my computer and select manage, >>>> there is a branch of the tree for managing drives. Using that >>>> utility, you can convert the drive to regular NTFS and mount it under >>>> Linux. >>> I am afraid, this is not correct. >>> >>> Imho EZ-drive was used years ago as a sort of overlay Bios to use the >>> full harddrive capacity when the old Bios could not recognize (all of) it. >> >> OK. I was wrong about it being a MS product, and it is not LVM, but it >> functions like LVM in that it can also have a large logical partition span >> multiple disks. >> >> I responded to this without web research, but based on the advice of a >> co-worker when I first encountered one of these partitions last week. >> WindowsXP would not mount the drive automatically either. The disk >> management utility presented me with the options of "importing" it >> (essentially mounting it without changing it) or converting it to NTFS of >> FAT32. >> > Well, honestly it is more than a decade ago that I used this for a 200 > MB!! drive on my old 468/66. If I remember correctly this works as an > intermediate Partitiontable which translates larger harddisk data to > what old Biossses know. > As both Windows (since NT 4 imho) and Linux for years work without Bios > Support for reading disks, it might work ok. Nevertheless imho the real > challenge is not how to convert the filesystem, but how to get cleanly > rid of the ezcode within the mbr. > > Kind regards > Eberhard If you have a floppy drive and a DOS boot disk you can run fdisk /mbr to write a new mbr. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/69013 / Jonas From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 24 19:03:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:03:29 -0300 Subject: how to pin specific packages based on origin References: <2028657.RI4FltLbIV@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2148666.GHYNJbDG0H@cedar.serverforest.com> P Kapat wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> P Kapat wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM, P Kapat wrote: >>>> >>>> Specifically, why doesn't the following pinning work? >>>> >>>> Package: *vlc* >>>> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net >>>> Pin-Priority: 800 >>>> >>>> Whereas the following does: >>>> >>>> Package: * >>>> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net >>>> Pin-Priority: 800 >>>> >>>> This is not what I want! I just want to pin the vlc packages from >>>> launchpad at higher piority. This is not vlc or launchpad specific. I >>>> have tried to ping other packages from different origin, without >>>> success; unless I pin ALL (using *) packages from that origin! >>> >>> No apt- guru here? Share some of your apt-fu.... >> >> Well, I've done it before, but pinning is pretty arcane and always liable >> to >> work differently from your expectations, so I gave it up. I went looking >> for examples when you asked, but I don't have anything left around. > > Thanks Derek. > > I certainly agree with your point of pinning being arcane. I've always > stayed away from it, unless forced to. The current days in Hardy are > very difficult. I want to use some of the latest software like vlc, > opera, R, etc. but official repos won't have them. So, I have to > resort to other repos, and of them, ppa.launchpad is a huge one. But I > don't want unnecessary packages to be upgraded just because of > enabling these repos. So, I am forced to apt-pinning. Where do you > suggest I mail? Debian-users? Anywhere apt-specific? For things where I want _some_ currently bleeding edge package, but don't need to continue to stay on the edge - I just want a particular feature - I usually just enable the repo, download the package and its dependencies and then turn off that repo, expecting the official package to catch up and supercede that package eventually. Any other packages I use where I want to stay at the forefront, at the moment anyway, come with repositories that contain just a package or two (like Wine from winehq). -- derek From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Fri Oct 24 19:40:47 2008 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: sound problem References: <200810231811.02794.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:11:02 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > We have a problem with the sound after the recent kernel update. On the > first 1525n everything works and on the second 1525n there is a red x > and no sound. When you open the mixer window and look in the help menu > under hardware information you find: > "sound drivers supported:ALSA + OSS" > "Sound drivers used: ALSA" > on the one which works. On the other one you find: "sound drivers > supported:ALSA + OSS" > "Sound drivers used: ALSAOSS" > "Experimental multiple-Driver mode activated" and there is no sound. > Both machines with kernel 2.6.24-21- generic. However, if you boot the > second machine into the prior 2.6.24-19 - generic the same readout as > the first machine is attained and then there is sound. With the 21 > kernel it will also state there is no soundcard found. Both of these > machines are identical 1525n pre-installed Ubuntu machines. The first > one however was updated to 8.04 from 7.10 while the second was > pre-installed with 8.04. > > The manual says there is a kmixrc file which one can "enable" this > multi driver mode but the file does not have the line it says to put in > there. Any idea how to fix this? Is there an online version of this manual? http://linux.dell.com/ might help. Good luck! -Frans From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sat Oct 25 03:00:53 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:00:53 +1000 Subject: Stopping KOrganiser loading Message-ID: <200810251300.53669.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Is there anyway to stop the korganiser daemon (korgac) loading with kontact? I don't even have the calendar component enabled Thanks -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Oct 25 11:03:52 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:03:52 -0400 Subject: Stopping KOrganiser loading In-Reply-To: <200810251300.53669.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810251300.53669.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200810250703.57679.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 24 October 2008 11:00:53 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Is there anyway to stop the korganiser daemon (korgac) loading with > kontact? I don't even have the calendar component enabled Yes. rename /usr/share/autostart/korgac.desktop. I always rename mine to korgac.desktop.bak -- David M. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sat Oct 25 11:30:22 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:30:22 +1000 Subject: Stopping KOrganiser loading In-Reply-To: <200810250703.57679.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200810251300.53669.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810250703.57679.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200810252130.22308.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:03:52 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 24 October 2008 11:00:53 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > Is there anyway to stop the korganiser daemon (korgac) loading with > > kontact? I don't even have the calendar component enabled > > Yes. rename /usr/share/autostart/korgac.desktop. > > I always rename mine to korgac.desktop.bak Thanks! I didn't know about that directory. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 11:34:45 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:34:45 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 3? Message-ID: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Are there any debs for OpenOffice3 in any K/Ubuntu-specific repository yet? Paul From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Oct 25 11:38:09 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:38:09 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3? In-Reply-To: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: Paul Kaplan wrote: > Are there any debs for OpenOffice3 in any K/Ubuntu-specific repository yet? > Paul > not that I know of. In case that you need it, I got mine from http://download.openoffice.org/index.html Kind regards Eberhard From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 11:56:42 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:56:42 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice 3? In-Reply-To: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810251256.42777.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> Hi On Saturday 25 October 2008 12:34:45 Paul Kaplan wrote: > Are there any debs for OpenOffice3 in any K/Ubuntu-specific > repository yet? Paul This may be of some use .... http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=751 Works for me :) -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 25 12:14:48 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:14:48 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 3? In-Reply-To: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200810250814.49395.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday October 25 2008 7:34:45 am Paul Kaplan wrote: > Are there any debs for OpenOffice3 in any K/Ubuntu-specific repository yet? > Paul it's for Intrpeid only, but there is a ppa archive for it here https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive Though the oem OOo packages work just fine, I think the ui in the ppa packages looks a little bit better Though the -- Clay Weber From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Oct 25 12:56:34 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:56:34 -0400 Subject: Stopping KOrganiser loading In-Reply-To: <200810252130.22308.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810251300.53669.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810250703.57679.d.mcglone@att.net> <200810252130.22308.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200810250856.39094.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 25 October 2008 7:30:22 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:03:52 pm David McGlone wrote: > > On Friday 24 October 2008 11:00:53 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > > Is there anyway to stop the korganiser daemon (korgac) loading with > > > kontact? I don't even have the calendar component enabled > > > > Yes. rename /usr/share/autostart/korgac.desktop. > > > > I always rename mine to korgac.desktop.bak > > Thanks! I didn't know about that directory. No problem. -- David M. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Oct 25 14:05:12 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:05:12 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3? In-Reply-To: <200810251256.42777.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> References: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200810251256.42777.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224943512.12403.0.camel@pc> is there an AMD 64b ? those are only 32 b Le samedi 25 octobre 2008 à 12:56 +0100, Richard Ibbotson a écrit : > Hi > > On Saturday 25 October 2008 12:34:45 Paul Kaplan wrote: > > Are there any debs for OpenOffice3 in any K/Ubuntu-specific > > repository yet? Paul > > This may be of some use .... > > http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=751 > > Works for me :) > > > -- > Richard > www.sheflug.org.uk > From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 25 19:53:23 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (kjb.jones at embarqmail.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:53:23 -0700 Subject: GUI interface for encoding/recoding video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49037933.2000402@embarqmail.com> Hello all, can any one help me find a video encoder/decoder to use on H.H. KDE 3.5.10 that has a gui? Lots of programs for command line use, but I am not skilled at this. Thanks for anyone who can help Kevin Jones From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 25 20:06:31 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:06:31 +0200 Subject: GUI interface for encoding/recoding video In-Reply-To: <49037933.2000402@embarqmail.com> References: <49037933.2000402@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200810252206.31669.kassube@gmx.net> kjb.jones at embarqmail.com wrote: > can any one help me find a video encoder/decoder to use on H.H. KDE > 3.5.10 that has a gui? I think you are looking for the packages avidemux or avidemux-qt. Even if the name suggests it is for AVI files, it works with many video formats. Nils From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 22:15:43 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:15:43 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice 3? In-Reply-To: <1224943512.12403.0.camel@pc> References: <200810250734.45436.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200810251256.42777.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> <1224943512.12403.0.camel@pc> Message-ID: <200810252315.43591.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> On Saturday 25 October 2008 15:05:12 Girard Henri wrote: > is there an AMD 64b ? > those are only 32 b http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/#extmirrors ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/ny1.mirror.openoffice.org/stable/3.0.0 -- Richard From john.j35 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 04:10:48 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:10:48 -0500 Subject: KDMRC file Message-ID: Hello All! I have been reading the manual at the following location: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-workspace/kdm/kdm-files.html as I have been trying to figure this one out on my own, with little success. I have the following section in my /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file: [General] ConfigVersion=2.3 ConsoleTTYs=tty1,tty2,tty3,tty4,tty5,tty6 PidFile=/var/run/kdm.pid ServerVTs=-7 StaticServers=:0,:1,:2,:3 ReserveServers= The manual states that the ReserveServers is empty by default, so I changed it to be empty. I did this because the manual indicates that the ReserveServers= line is for "on demand" server. I am trying to get 4 static servers, which I have finally achieved to some extent. I have running static xservers on vt7, vt9, vt10, and vt11. Vt8 looks like it is being used for some kind of log output. I have never configured this for kdm, just gdm and all worked fine and my static xservers were on 7, 8, 9, and 10 consecutively, not the case with kdm. I routinely stayed logged into 3 other machines on a gigabit lan and would like to get my server consecutive again. I also have the following section for each static server: [X-:0-Core] AutoLoginAgain=false AutoLoginDelay=0 AutoLoginEnable=false AutoLoginLocked=false AutoLoginUser=eagle1 ClientLogFile=.xsession-errors Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all! -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 26 05:19:15 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:19:15 +1000 Subject: Column Layout persistance Message-ID: <200810261519.15749.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Is this a common problem? in all versions of KDE 4.x (most lately 4.1.2 on 8.10RC) columns width and layouts do not stay saved in various apps. The one I notice it the most in is Aggregator, where columns I've hidden (e.g the feed title) keep reappearing and the widths keep increasing on me past the screen width, giving rise to a horizontal scroll bar - most annoying. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 10:43:34 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:43:34 +0100 Subject: KDMRC file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/26 John Pierce : > Hello All! > > I have been reading the manual at the following location: > http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-workspace/kdm/kdm-files.html > as I have been trying to figure this one out on my own, with little success. > > I have the following section in my /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file: The manual you are reading looks like it's for KDE 4 and the file you are editing is for KDE 3, perhaps that could be the cause? / Jonas From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sun Oct 26 10:45:19 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:45:19 +0200 Subject: Latest 8.10 updates mess up KDE Message-ID: <49044A3F.6050309@prayingforisrael.net> I just did an update on my boys box and now there are all sorts of problems with KDE. Apps take ages to load - if they actually do.... I noticed that skim (skim - smart common input method platform for KDE) gets installed and places an icon on the kicker bar. I closed it and now can't type anything anywhere (inside KDE)> If I logout I can type in my password to login again but then nothing once I'm logged in. Anybody else notice this? Is there a fix on the way? Blessings, Nigel -- From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 26 10:51:41 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:51:41 +1000 Subject: Latest 8.10 updates mess up KDE In-Reply-To: <49044A3F.6050309@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49044A3F.6050309@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810262051.41963.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:45:19 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just did an update on my boys box and now there are all sorts of problems > with KDE. Apps take ages to load - if they actually do.... Trying doing a "ps -e" from the console - you may find hundreds of scim daemons running. If so Doing a killall will fix the immediate problem but it will return next boot. Not sure what the easy fix is :( I fixed it by reinstalling from scratch. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From john.j35 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 12:31:22 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:31:22 -0500 Subject: KDMRC file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/26 John Pierce : >> Hello All! >> >> I have been reading the manual at the following location: >> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-workspace/kdm/kdm-files.html >> as I have been trying to figure this one out on my own, with little success. >> >> I have the following section in my /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file: > > The manual you are reading looks like it's for KDE 4 and the file you > are editing is for KDE 3, perhaps that could be the cause? > > / Jonas > Just checked and the kde3 kdm section files it uses is verbatim as the original page I linked to. Thanks for that info though, I am still working on it. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From atrypa at eskimo.com Sun Oct 26 15:24:48 2008 From: atrypa at eskimo.com (Wendell Cochran) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:24:48 -0700 Subject: Lost: KMail's message list Message-ID: <200810260824.48434.atrypa@eskimo.com> Suddenly KMail opens the mail spool directly where formerly the message list appeared. I can read mail only by scrolling through the lot. That works, but it's slow & awkward. My guess is that I've unknowingly fumblefingered (or misclicked) a configuration button. But what & where? So far I recognize nothing helpful in either the context menus nor KMail documentation. That's running Kubuntu 2.6.22-14 KDE 3.5.8 KMail 1.9.6 Can anyone set me on the right course? Wendell Cochran West Seattle From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 26 16:51:49 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0500 Subject: converting video files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810261151.49255.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Dear all I am trying to convert some avi files to windows readable files...I have a zune and want to use it for both video and audio. I do have a command line program but does anyone know of an opensource linux program for converting video files? Actually..............ffmpeg is installed and if anyone knows of a good set of instructions that I could follow that would be good. Thanks in advance for your help Kevin > > ------------------------------ From mailinglists at steffenkrapp.de Sun Oct 26 17:39:37 2008 From: mailinglists at steffenkrapp.de (Steffen Krapp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:39:37 +0100 Subject: converting video files In-Reply-To: <200810261151.49255.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> References: <200810261151.49255.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200810261839.37725.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Dear Kevin, Am Sonntag, 26. Oktober 2008 schrieb Kevin Jones: > Dear all > > > I am trying to convert some avi files to windows readable > files Windows should be able to read avi-files. > ...I have a zune and want to use it for both video and audio. I > do have a command line program but does anyone know of an opensource > linux program for converting video files? What video-format needs your zune? > Actually..............ffmpeg is installed and if anyone knows of a > good set of instructions that I could follow that would be good. ffmpeg or mencoder http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/d (Section 13 and 14) Greetings Steffen From sahana.basavapatna at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 17:57:05 2008 From: sahana.basavapatna at gmail.com (Sahana Basavapatna) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:27:05 +0530 Subject: Help Message-ID: Hello!! I have recently started using Linux operating system and have absolutely no clue how this works. So far, its been fine because I am not a techy and Kubuntu is quite user friendly. In the last couple of days, a problem has emerged and I am not sure how to deal with it. I am not even sure this is the right place to share this query. Whenever I try to open a dialogue page, and click on the icon, instead of opening the page, it actually disappears. This is with both when I use the mouse and when I use the touch pad. I have partitioned my laptop and have Windows XP as well. When I used XP to see if the problem persists, I find that there is no problem with the mouse then. I am not sure this is a software or a hardware problem. I really appreciate if anyone can help. Cheers, Sahana -- Sahana Basavapatna Coordinator - Burmese Refugee Desk The Other Media No 31, Nalanda Apartments D Block, Vikaspuri New Delhi Ph: +91 11 285 30 431 Email: refugeedesk at theothermedia.org Mobile: +91 99682 96202 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Sun Oct 26 17:57:07 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L. Berdaguer) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:57:07 -0200 Subject: strigi search in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <48FD7BBD.90203@akl.lt> References: <48FD7BBD.90203@akl.lt> Message-ID: <200810261557.07744.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Well... I finally upgraded to KDE4 with kubuntu's RC. I got strigi daemon running... In nepomuk settings from system settings there's an option to use Strigi. krunner (Alt+F2) has an xesam client plugin (disabled by default) and, if I understood correctly what I've been reading, strigi is compatible with xesam. strigidaemon is running, but it doesn't seem to be indexing anything. It's been running for 3 days in a ~/ of 20Gb... but ~/.strigi/ is 8Kb. And this is my configuration file: I'm not really sure what that means. But it may help someonw tell me what's wrong. El Tuesday 21 October 2008 04:50:37 Donatas G. escribió: > Hi, is there a way to use strigi search in Kubuntu Intrepid / kde4.1.2? > > the strigiapplet currently opens konqueror window, which does not > support strigi:/ protocol. > > Donatas G. From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sun Oct 26 18:13:47 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:13:47 +0200 Subject: Latest 8.10 updates mess up KDE In-Reply-To: <200810262051.41963.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <49044A3F.6050309@prayingforisrael.net> <200810262051.41963.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4904B35B.7060406@prayingforisrael.net> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:45:19 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I just did an update on my boys box and now there are all sorts of problems >> with KDE. Apps take ages to load - if they actually do.... > > Trying doing a "ps -e" from the console - you may find hundreds of scim daemons > running. If so Doing a killall will fix the immediate problem but it will > return next boot. > > Not sure what the easy fix is :( I fixed it by reinstalling from scratch. > I tried the killall thing but scim kept coming back to life. So, I uninstalled it and now no more problems. Who needs scim anyway? Wait, wasn't there a long discussion on this a few months ago..... OK forget it. Blessings, Nigel -- From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 18:35:22 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:35:22 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/26 Sahana Basavapatna : > Hello!! > > I have recently started using Linux operating system and have absolutely no > clue how this works. So far, its been fine because I am not a techy and > Kubuntu is quite user friendly. > > In the last couple of days, a problem has emerged and I am not sure how to > deal with it. I am not even sure this is the right place to share this > query. > > Whenever I try to open a dialogue page, and click on the icon, instead of > opening the page, it actually disappears. This is with both when I use the > mouse and when I use the touch pad. I have partitioned my laptop and have > Windows XP as well. When I used XP to see if the problem persists, I find > that there is no problem with the mouse then. > > I am not sure this is a software or a hardware problem. I really appreciate > if anyone can help. > > Cheers, > Sahana > Can you describe better what exact you doing? What program? What do you click? / Jonas From kap4lin at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 19:39:39 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:39:39 -0400 Subject: Latest 8.10 updates mess up KDE In-Reply-To: <4904B35B.7060406@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49044A3F.6050309@prayingforisrael.net> <200810262051.41963.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <4904B35B.7060406@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:45:19 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> I just did an update on my boys box and now there are all sorts of problems >>> with KDE. Apps take ages to load - if they actually do.... >> >> Trying doing a "ps -e" from the console - you may find hundreds of scim daemons >> running. If so Doing a killall will fix the immediate problem but it will >> return next boot. >> >> Not sure what the easy fix is :( I fixed it by reinstalling from scratch. >> > > I tried the killall thing but scim kept coming back to life. So, I uninstalled it and now no more > problems. On a RedHat EL5 machine for KDE3, ~/.xinputrc has the following lines (uncommented). Since I do not have root access on this machine (hence cannot uninstall), I commented them and things work fine. Though starting any gui application from the command line always gives a one line warning from SCIM. ## DO NOT DELETE THIS #XIM=SCIM #XIM_PROGRAM=scim #XIM_ARGS="-d" #XINPUT_AUX=/etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/aux #SCIM_BRIDGE_GTK=${XINPUT_AUX}/scim-bridge-gtk #if [ -r "${SCIM_BRIDGE_GTK}" ]; then # . ${SCIM_BRIDGE_GTK} #else # GTK_IM_MODULE=scim #fi #unset SCIM_BRIDGE_GTK #SCIM_QTIMM=${XINPUT_AUX}/scim-qtimm #if [ -r "${SCIM_QTIMM}" ]; then # . ${SCIM_QTIMM} #else # QT_IM_MODULE=xim #fi #unset SCIM_QTIMM #unset XINPUT_AUX -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Sun Oct 26 20:46:29 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L. Berdaguer) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:46:29 -0200 Subject: USB disks directorys Message-ID: <200810261846.29845.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> I upgraded to KDE4 some days ago. I have a usb HD and it works just fine... but I want to make a little tweak. Whenever you the device notifier mounts the disk it mounts it in a /media/disk directory... or disk-1, or disk-2... depending on what's free at that moment. That behaviour prevents us users to create links to the contents of the disk, because the directory may change each time the disk is mounted. In KDE3 I could change that and force a folder for a partition just by changeing the name of the icon in the desktop... But now I can't do that any more and I can't find anywhere to configure that. Regards, Pablo From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Oct 26 21:03:05 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:03:05 +0100 Subject: transfering emails from Kmail to Thunderbird Message-ID: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Is it possible to manually transfer my emailarchive from Kmail to Thunderbird. The import function of TB does not recognize Kmail. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From ejviolet at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 22:06:25 2008 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: converting video files In-Reply-To: <200810261839.37725.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Message-ID: <637224.66870.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: Steffen Krapp > Subject: Re: converting video files > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:39 PM > Dear Kevin, > > Windows should be able to read avi-files. I just ran a avi file in Windows Media Player. Worked fine. Yes, embarrassingly I still have a windows box that I paid $3 for. Earl From paul at lemmons.name Sun Oct 26 22:35:21 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:35:21 -0700 Subject: transfering emails from Kmail to Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <4904F0A9.2010606@lemmons.name> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Is it possible to manually transfer my emailarchive from Kmail > to Thunderbird. The import function of TB does not recognize > Kmail. > > http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Berdaguer wrote: > I upgraded to KDE4 some days ago. > > I have a usb HD and it works just fine... but I want to make a little tweak. > > Whenever you the device notifier mounts the disk it mounts it in a /media/disk > directory... or disk-1, or disk-2... depending on what's free at that moment. > > That behaviour prevents us users to create links to the contents of the disk, > because the directory may change each time the disk is mounted. > > In KDE3 I could change that and force a folder for a partition just by changeing > the name of the icon in the desktop... But now I can't do that any more and I > can't find anywhere to configure that. One suggestion is to find the UUID of the disk and create an entry in /etc/fstab -- -- artAlexion sent unsigned from webmail interface From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 00:48:18 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:48:18 +0100 Subject: sed experts. Help References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <4900669E.309@gmail.com> <49009D14.1040101@rlknight.com> Message-ID: Rick Knight wrote: > Alexander Smirnov wrote: >> Rick Knight wrote: >> >>> Sed experts, >>> >>> I have a bunch of php scripts, over 1000, that all need to have 1 line >>> removed. The line begins with... >>> >>> >> >>> and is at the top of each file. How would I construct a sed command to >>> remove this line from every file in a directory and it's subs? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >> why sed? you can use excluding option of grep: >> $grep - v "> will match every line but not mentioned. >> >> > Doesn't have to be sed. Sed just came to mind as a way to do what I need > to do, remove a line of code from the top of several php files. I know > how to use grep to find the line of text. How would I use grep to remove > it? WOuld I pipe the output of grep to rm? > > Thanks, > Rick Then you can also use perl perl -pi -e 's:^ <5a1f6bd00810261637u6a3e1985jdf39882db3406a20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Art Alexion wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Pablo L. Berdaguer > wrote: >> I upgraded to KDE4 some days ago. >> >> I have a usb HD and it works just fine... but I want to make a little >> tweak. >> >> Whenever you the device notifier mounts the disk it mounts it in a >> /media/disk directory... or disk-1, or disk-2... depending on what's free >> at that moment. >> >> That behaviour prevents us users to create links to the contents of the >> disk, because the directory may change each time the disk is mounted. >> >> In KDE3 I could change that and force a folder for a partition just by >> changeing the name of the icon in the desktop... But now I can't do that >> any more and I can't find anywhere to configure that. > > One suggestion is to find the UUID of the disk and create an entry in > /etc/fstab > > for some reason the UUID label option is not working with KDE for me (may be it's working only on boot) or I'm just missing something, but here I found a way to make usb disk mount to a specific directory. I think it's required that the directory is under /media I have posted this to related discussion on debians user list 1) with sudo vol_id -u device get the UUID from the usb drive partition you want to edit (device is the file of interest i.e. /dev/sdb1) 2) In the KDE -> 'System Settings' go to advanced and click 'Disk & Filesystems' 3) switch to administrator by clicking on the admin button at the bottom + password etc. - so now you are admin 3) click on the drive partition you want to mount 3a) select the mount point /media/usb_XXXX in your case, or write down something meaningful i.e. /media/usb_data_1_partition_1 3b) click by UUID and the UUID should be the same with the one you get in 1) 3c) click enable at start (optional) 3d) Slect "Mount Permission" (optional) 3e) click OK 4a) edit /etc/fstab replace UUID= as shown below for the UUID which you get in 1) /dev/disk/by-uuid/ /media/usb_XXXX auto users,noauto,atime,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 4b) save and close voila it all works From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Oct 27 02:31:01 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:31:01 -0400 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490527E5.60102@cfl.rr.com> > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:27:05 +0530 > From: "Sahana Basavapatna" > Subject: Help > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello!! > > I have recently started using Linux operating system and have absolutely no > clue how this works. So far, its been fine because I am not a techy and > Kubuntu is quite user friendly. > > In the last couple of days, a problem has emerged and I am not sure how to > deal with it. I am not even sure this is the right place to share this > query. > > Whenever I try to open a dialogue page, and click on the icon, instead of > opening the page, it actually disappears. This is with both when I use the > mouse and when I use the touch pad. I have partitioned my laptop and have > Windows XP as well. When I used XP to see if the problem persists, I find > that there is no problem with the mouse then. > > I am not sure this is a software or a hardware problem. I really appreciate > if anyone can help. > > Cheers, > Sahana > > -- Sahana Basavapatna Coordinator - Burmese Refugee Desk The Other Media No 31, > > Nalanda Apartments D Block, Vikaspuri New Delhi Ph: +91 11 285 30 431 Kubuntu has some quirky behavior. If you right click on an icon and don't release right away you could end up doing something in the subsequent onscreen menu that you didn't mean to do. Quite often I have clicked on an icon and nothing happened. Apparently the focus was somewhere else and all my click did was refocus off the other object and onto the icon without doing anything. I have right-clicked on an icon and as I released the button it selected whatever menu choice the mouse was over as I released the button. Neither of the above is considered normal behavior, but it happens in Kubuntu all the time in my experience and is not related, at least so far, to one particular version. I would say to make all clicks "click and release" without the least delay. Otherwise, click and see what appears where and move the mouse out of the way, then release. This is a quirk of Kubuntu that I have had to learn to live with. Good luck! Tom Bell “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” -- Albert Einstein, Physicist (1879-1955) From paul at lemmons.name Mon Oct 27 03:18:37 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:18:37 -0700 Subject: Intrepid Video Message-ID: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> I just upgraded my laptop to Intrepid and everything looks pretty much as expected. No real problems yet. Some of the applications are very immature but again, that is expected. There is one thing driving me crazy though... When I flip between desktops, open menus or start a dialog, the screen, for lack of a better word, goes hay-wire. It is like it looses sync and then gets its act together and updates to something readable. Is this just something else to be expected or is there a cure? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So far, its been fine because I am not a techy and > > Kubuntu is quite user friendly. > > > > In the last couple of days, a problem has emerged and I am not sure how > to > > deal with it. I am not even sure this is the right place to share this > > query. > > > > Whenever I try to open a dialogue page, and click on the icon, instead of > > opening the page, it actually disappears. This is with both when I use > the > > mouse and when I use the touch pad. I have partitioned my laptop and have > > Windows XP as well. When I used XP to see if the problem persists, I find > > that there is no problem with the mouse then. > > > > I am not sure this is a software or a hardware problem. I really > appreciate > > if anyone can help. > > > > Cheers, > > Sahana > > > > Can you describe better what exact you doing? What program? What do you > click? > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Sahana Basavapatna Coordinator - Burmese Refugee Desk The Other Media No 31, Nalanda Apartments D Block, Vikaspuri New Delhi Ph: +91 11 285 30 431 Email: refugeedesk at theothermedia.org Mobile: +91 99682 96202 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 27 05:17:41 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:17:41 -0400 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 160 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225084661.2480.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Earl Violet > Subject: Re: converting video files > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <637224.66870.qm at web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > From: Steffen Krapp > > Subject: Re: converting video files > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:39 PM > > Dear Kevin, > > > > > Windows should be able to read avi-files. > > I just ran a avi file in Windows Media Player. Worked fine. Yes, embarrassingly I still have a windows box that I paid $3 for. > > Earl > > > > > > > -Earl, I thought so too. For some reason my windows media player does not play avi files. And certainly the zune gadget I just bought seems to be very restricted in what it plays. I have one laptop that I keep for when I need windows type stuff, and even then use vlc as a player. I do have a converter for windows, but would have liked one for the kubuntu Kevin From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Mon Oct 27 06:30:07 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:30:07 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 Message-ID: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'; unpacked it and navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? There are 47 .deb files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? Blessings, Nigel -- From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 07:02:32 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:02:32 +0100 Subject: USB disks directorys In-Reply-To: References: <200810261846.29845.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <5a1f6bd00810261637u6a3e1985jdf39882db3406a20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49056788.9040900@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Pablo L. Berdaguer >> wrote: >>> I upgraded to KDE4 some days ago. >>> >>> I have a usb HD and it works just fine... but I want to make a little >>> tweak. >>> >>> Whenever you the device notifier mounts the disk it mounts it in a >>> /media/disk directory... or disk-1, or disk-2... depending on what's free >>> at that moment. >>> >>> That behaviour prevents us users to create links to the contents of the >>> disk, because the directory may change each time the disk is mounted. >>> >>> In KDE3 I could change that and force a folder for a partition just by >>> changeing the name of the icon in the desktop... But now I can't do that >>> any more and I can't find anywhere to configure that. >> One suggestion is to find the UUID of the disk and create an entry in >> /etc/fstab >> >> > > for some reason the UUID label option is not working with KDE for me (may be > it's working only on boot) or I'm just missing something, but here I found > a way to make usb disk mount to a specific directory. I think it's required > that the directory is under /media > > I have posted this to related discussion on debians user list > > 1) with sudo vol_id -u device get the UUID from the usb drive partition you > want to edit (device is the file of interest i.e. /dev/sdb1) > 2) In the KDE -> 'System Settings' go to advanced and click 'Disk & > Filesystems' > 3) switch to administrator by clicking on the admin button at the bottom + > password etc. - so now you are admin > 3) click on the drive partition you want to mount > > 3a) select the mount point /media/usb_XXXX in your case, or write down > something meaningful i.e. /media/usb_data_1_partition_1 > 3b) click by UUID and the UUID should be the same with the one you get in 1) > 3c) click enable at start (optional) > 3d) Slect "Mount Permission" (optional) > 3e) click OK > > 4a) edit /etc/fstab replace UUID= as shown below for the UUID which you get > in 1) > > /dev/disk/by-uuid/ /media/usb_XXXX auto > users,noauto,atime,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 > > 4b) save and close > > voila it all works You could also label your usb disk and/or partitions. Detailed instructions are found on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive -- lanzen From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 07:12:22 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:12:22 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: simple answer: sudo dpkg -i *.deb long answer: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-openoffice-3.0.0-on-ubuntu-8.04 Oh no top posted!! :-{ On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'; unpacked it and > navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? There are 47 .deb files. How does one go about > installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? > > Blessings, > > Nigel -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From sahana.basavapatna at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 07:28:21 2008 From: sahana.basavapatna at gmail.com (Sahana Basavapatna) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:58:21 +0530 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I solved the problem myself!!!!! I had changed the properties of the panel! Thanks Jonas and Tom. Sahana 2008/10/27 Sahana Basavapatna > The left click on the mouse/touchpad is usually programmed to open/close > documents. When i click to open a document on the bottom panel (when the > doc/page is minimized), instead of teh document opening, it actually > disappears. I dont have this problem when I switch to Windows XP. I dont > know if I have changed any settings, but the mouse settings seeem to be > fine. Its frustrating everytime to right click on the mouse and maximze the > document. > > I hope I make sense. > > Sahana > > 2008/10/27 Jonas Norlander > > 2008/10/26 Sahana Basavapatna : >> > Hello!! >> > >> > I have recently started using Linux operating system and have absolutely >> no >> > clue how this works. So far, its been fine because I am not a techy and >> > Kubuntu is quite user friendly. >> > >> > In the last couple of days, a problem has emerged and I am not sure how >> to >> > deal with it. I am not even sure this is the right place to share this >> > query. >> > >> > Whenever I try to open a dialogue page, and click on the icon, instead >> of >> > opening the page, it actually disappears. This is with both when I use >> the >> > mouse and when I use the touch pad. I have partitioned my laptop and >> have >> > Windows XP as well. When I used XP to see if the problem persists, I >> find >> > that there is no problem with the mouse then. >> > >> > I am not sure this is a software or a hardware problem. I really >> appreciate >> > if anyone can help. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Sahana >> > >> >> Can you describe better what exact you doing? What program? What do you >> click? >> >> / Jonas >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > Sahana Basavapatna > Coordinator - Burmese Refugee Desk > The Other Media > No 31, Nalanda Apartments > D Block, Vikaspuri > New Delhi > > Ph: +91 11 285 30 431 > Email: refugeedesk at theothermedia.org > Mobile: +91 99682 96202 > -- Sahana Basavapatna Coordinator - Burmese Refugee Desk The Other Media No 31, Nalanda Apartments D Block, Vikaspuri New Delhi Ph: +91 11 285 30 431 Email: refugeedesk at theothermedia.org Mobile: +91 99682 96202 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgvirtual at akl.lt Mon Oct 27 08:54:31 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:54:31 +0200 Subject: transfering emails from Kmail to Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <490581C7.8000200@akl.lt> Peter Klaassen rašė: > Is it possible to manually transfer my emailarchive from Kmail > to Thunderbird. The import function of TB does not recognize > Kmail. > > thunderbird faq has an answer: http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#kmail Donatas G. From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 08:56:13 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:56:13 +0000 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810270856.13866.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> On Monday 27 October 2008 06:30:07 Nigel Ridley wrote: > OK, so I downloaded the > 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'; unpacked it and > navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? There are 47 .deb > files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? cd to the directory where you put the DEBS. And then ... cd desktop-integration/ sudo dpkg -i openoffice.org3.0-debian-menus_3.0-9354_all.deb If this doesn't work it doesn't matter a lot. Then... cd .. (back up one to the directory where the DEBS are) dpkg -i *.deb That works for me :) -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Oct 27 09:34:06 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:34:06 +0200 Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working Message-ID: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> Hi! Has anybody problem, that if you run Firefox 3.0.3, it does not start? I tried from GUI and command line - no feedback - it just won't start :( Sometimes it will start some minutes later. Often I just kill the process, because I'm not so patient to wait some minutes. I found this thread - http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840240 - but it didn't help me. I also read from Google, that one TTF-font beginning with letter "t" caused problem - I removed all my TTF-fonts with beginning "t" - no result. I run also fc-cache -rv and made several restarts to PC - no effect :( So, I'm stuck and considering reinstall whole system and hoping, that next time it will not happen. Thanks, Edmund From pacopa at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 09:44:43 2008 From: pacopa at gmail.com (Francisco Fernandez) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:44:43 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working In-Reply-To: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> Message-ID: <11fe13f0810270244web0a79sbdbbfbf20e06a226@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/27 Edmund Laugasson > Hi! > > Has anybody problem, that if you run Firefox 3.0.3, it does not start? > > I tried from GUI and command line - no feedback - it just won't start :( > Sometimes it will start > some minutes later. Often I just kill the process, because I'm not so > patient to wait some minutes. > > I found this thread - > http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840240 - but it > didn't help me. > > I also read from Google, that one TTF-font beginning with letter "t" caused > problem - I removed all > my TTF-fonts with beginning "t" - no result. I run also fc-cache -rv and > made several restarts to PC > - no effect :( > > So, I'm stuck and considering reinstall whole system and hoping, that next > time it will not happen. > > > Thanks, > Edmund > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Can you try sudo /etc/init.d/xfs restart? I have problems with firefox 3.0 and have to do this before starting firefox. Best regards, Paco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Often I just kill the process, because I'm not so >> patient to wait some minutes. >> >> I found this thread - >> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840240 - but it >> didn't help me. >> >> I also read from Google, that one TTF-font beginning with letter "t" >> caused problem - I removed all >> my TTF-fonts with beginning "t" - no result. I run also fc-cache -rv and >> made several restarts to PC >> - no effect :( >> >> So, I'm stuck and considering reinstall whole system and hoping, that next >> time it will not happen. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Edmund >> xfs is not used by default in Kubuntu. He don't say what version he has but xfs is not installed on my Kubunt Gutsy or Hardy. I have no problem with Firefox 3.0.3. The first thing i would try is to backup the .mozilla folder, remove it and start firefox to make sure it's not some extension or settings that's the cause. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 11:26:33 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:26:33 +0100 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 160 In-Reply-To: <1225084661.2480.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1225084661.2480.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/10/27 Kevin Jones : > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Earl Violet >> Subject: Re: converting video files >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> Message-ID: <637224.66870.qm at web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> > From: Steffen Krapp >> > Subject: Re: converting video files >> > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:39 PM >> > Dear Kevin, >> >> > >> > Windows should be able to read avi-files. >> >> I just ran a avi file in Windows Media Player. Worked fine. Yes, embarrassingly I still have a windows box that I paid $3 for. >> >> Earl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Earl, > I thought so too. For some reason my windows media player does not > play avi files. And certainly the zune gadget I just bought seems to be > very restricted in what it plays. I have one laptop that I keep for when > I need windows type stuff, and even then use vlc as a player. > I do have a converter for windows, but would have liked one for the > kubuntu > > Kevin > AVI is just a container you have to know what format/codecs of the video and sound your zune supports before you can start converting. One easy GUI converter to work with is avidemux. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 11:30:14 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:30:14 +0100 Subject: Intrepid Video In-Reply-To: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> References: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> Message-ID: 2008/10/27 Paul Lemmons : > I just upgraded my laptop to Intrepid and everything looks pretty much as > expected. No real problems yet. Some of the applications are very immature > but again, that is expected. There is one thing driving me crazy though... > > When I flip between desktops, open menus or start a dialog, the screen, for > lack of a better word, goes hay-wire. It is like it looses sync and then > gets its act together and updates to something readable. Is this just > something else to be expected or is there a cure? > Do you have desktop effects activated? Many things like this i blame on the desktop effects which is not very stable yet, at least not for me. / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 11:34:12 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:34:12 +0100 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch Message-ID: Nice talk about it. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027 -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From d.mcglone at att.net Mon Oct 27 11:40:43 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:40:43 -0400 Subject: Connecting to wireless In-Reply-To: <49054A3D.3060304@lemmons.name> References: <49054A3D.3060304@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810270740.49129.d.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 27 October 2008 12:57:33 am Paul Lemmons wrote: > Is there a way to effect the order of start up when you login so that > wireless is at the head of the list? Every time I boot I get to listen > to FF, TB and Kopete whine about not being able to connect to the > network. If the wireless connected first it may cut down on some noise. remove the checkmark to "start at boot" in the other profiles. -- David M. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 12:11:58 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:11:58 +0200 Subject: Connecting to wireless In-Reply-To: <200810270740.49129.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <49054A3D.3060304@lemmons.name> <200810270740.49129.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <4905B00E.3070709@gmail.com> David McGlone wrote: > On Monday 27 October 2008 12:57:33 am Paul Lemmons wrote: >> Is there a way to effect the order of start up when you login so that >> wireless is at the head of the list? Every time I boot I get to listen >> to FF, TB and Kopete whine about not being able to connect to the >> network. If the wireless connected first it may cut down on some noise. > > remove the checkmark to "start at boot" in the other profiles. > > That was a bit short... where do I find this checkmark and said profiles? Sinclair From d.mcglone at att.net Mon Oct 27 12:45:51 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:45:51 -0400 Subject: Connecting to wireless In-Reply-To: <4905B00E.3070709@gmail.com> References: <49054A3D.3060304@lemmons.name> <200810270740.49129.d.mcglone@att.net> <4905B00E.3070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810270845.56148.d.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 27 October 2008 8:11:58 am O. Sinclair wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Monday 27 October 2008 12:57:33 am Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> Is there a way to effect the order of start up when you login so that > >> wireless is at the head of the list? Every time I boot I get to listen > >> to FF, TB and Kopete whine about not being able to connect to the > >> network. If the wireless connected first it may cut down on some noise. > > > > remove the checkmark to "start at boot" in the other profiles. > > That was a bit short... where do I find this checkmark and said profiles? Sorry my bad. In system settings under network you will see eth0, wlan0 etc, etc. Click on them and look in there properties you will see a checkbox with "start on boot" at the bottom. -- David M. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 27 13:51:55 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:51:55 -0400 Subject: converting video files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225115515.19381.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:26:33 +0100 > From: "Jonas Norlander" > Subject: Re: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 160 > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 2008/10/27 Kevin Jones : > > > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: Earl Violet > >> Subject: Re: converting video files > >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > >> Message-ID: <637224.66870.qm at web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> > >> > From: Steffen Krapp > >> > Subject: Re: converting video files > >> > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:39 PM > >> > Dear Kevin, > >> > >> > > >> > Windows should be able to read avi-files. > >> > >> I just ran a avi file in Windows Media Player. Worked fine. Yes, embarrassingly I still have a windows box that I paid $3 for. > >> > >> Earl > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Earl, > > I thought so too. For some reason my windows media player does not > > play avi files. And certainly the zune gadget I just bought seems to be > > very restricted in what it plays. I have one laptop that I keep for when > > I need windows type stuff, and even then use vlc as a player. > > I do have a converter for windows, but would have liked one for the > > kubuntu > > > > Kevin > > > > AVI is just a container you have to know what format/codecs of the > video and sound your zune supports before you can start converting. > One easy GUI converter to work with is avidemux. > > / Jonas > > > > ------------------------------ > Earl, Jonas, and all Thanks for the information. I remember reading some time ago that the extension (avi, etc) was just a container but I did not understand what that meant. I have just gone to the 'getdeb' site and I am downloading the avidemux application. It looks good so far, Thanks for the timely and helpful comments/advice Kevin From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 27 15:02:57 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:02:57 +0100 Subject: transfering emails from Kmail to Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <4904F0A9.2010606@lemmons.name> References: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <4904F0A9.2010606@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200810271602.57099.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Sunday 26 October 2008 23:35:21 schreef Paul Lemmons: > Peter Klaassen wrote: > > Is it possible to manually transfer my emailarchive from Kmail > > to Thunderbird. The import function of TB does not recognize > > Kmail. > > http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq How do I import e-mail messages from kmail (Linux)? Make a new folder in kmail and name it inboxmbox. You'll see a dialogue in which you can save it as an mbox folder. Copy all posts in your kmail inbox folder to the new inboxmbox folder. Exit kmail. Next, copy or move inboxmbox to the subfolder Mail/Local Folders in your profile folder. When you open Thunderbird you'll see the inboxmbox folder under Local Folders. Copy the messages into your Inbox folder if you like. Nice, but not with 100 plus archive folders in Kmail. Thanks anyway Paul -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From jriddell at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 27 15:26:59 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:26:59 +0000 Subject: 8.10 Candidate CD Testing Message-ID: <20081027152659.GU26237@muse.19inch.net> 8.10 is due out this week. Please help us test the candidate CD images. You can install on a real machine or on a virtual system. Some information here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing Report results http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all As of this e-mail alternate images are up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ and desktop images are due shortly. Come and find us on IRC in #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-testing Jonathan From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Oct 27 15:28:41 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:28:41 +0200 Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working In-Reply-To: References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <11fe13f0810270244web0a79sbdbbfbf20e06a226@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4905DE29.3000803@mail.ee> >>> Has anybody problem, that if you run Firefox 3.0.3, it does not start? >>> >>> I tried from GUI and command line - no feedback - it just won't start :( >>> Sometimes it will start >>> some minutes later. Often I just kill the process, because I'm not so >>> patient to wait some minutes. >>> >>> I found this thread - >>> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840240 - but it >>> didn't help me. >>> >>> I also read from Google, that one TTF-font beginning with letter "t" >>> caused problem - I removed all >>> my TTF-fonts with beginning "t" - no result. I run also fc-cache -rv and >>> made several restarts to PC >>> - no effect :( >>> >>> So, I'm stuck and considering reinstall whole system and hoping, that next >>> time it will not happen. > > xfs is not used by default in Kubuntu. He don't say what version he > has but xfs is not installed on my Kubunt Gutsy or Hardy. > I have no problem with Firefox 3.0.3. The first thing i would try is > to backup the .mozilla folder, remove it and start firefox to make > sure it's not some extension or settings that's the cause. I already did that - moved ~/.mozilla to another place and started firefox again - no result :( From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Mon Oct 27 16:24:04 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:24:04 -0200 Subject: USB disks directorys In-Reply-To: <49056788.9040900@gmail.com> References: <200810261846.29845.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <49056788.9040900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810271424.05246.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> El Monday 27 October 2008 05:02:32 lanzen escribió: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Pablo L. Berdaguer > >> > >> wrote: > >>> I upgraded to KDE4 some days ago. > >>> > >>> I have a usb HD and it works just fine... but I want to make a little > >>> tweak. > >>> > >>> Whenever you the device notifier mounts the disk it mounts it in a > >>> /media/disk directory... or disk-1, or disk-2... depending on what's > >>> free at that moment. > >>> > >>> That behaviour prevents us users to create links to the contents of the > >>> disk, because the directory may change each time the disk is mounted. > >>> > >>> In KDE3 I could change that and force a folder for a partition just by > >>> changeing the name of the icon in the desktop... But now I can't do > >>> that any more and I can't find anywhere to configure that. > >> > >> One suggestion is to find the UUID of the disk and create an entry in > >> /etc/fstab > > > > for some reason the UUID label option is not working with KDE for me (may > > be it's working only on boot) or I'm just missing something, but here I > > found a way to make usb disk mount to a specific directory. I think it's > > required that the directory is under /media > > > > I have posted this to related discussion on debians user list > > > > 1) with sudo vol_id -u device get the UUID from the usb drive partition > > you want to edit (device is the file of interest i.e. /dev/sdb1) > > 2) In the KDE -> 'System Settings' go to advanced and click 'Disk & > > Filesystems' > > 3) switch to administrator by clicking on the admin button at the bottom > > + password etc. - so now you are admin > > 3) click on the drive partition you want to mount > > > > 3a) select the mount point /media/usb_XXXX in your case, or write down > > something meaningful i.e. /media/usb_data_1_partition_1 > > 3b) click by UUID and the UUID should be the same with the one you get in > > 1) 3c) click enable at start (optional) > > 3d) Slect "Mount Permission" (optional) > > 3e) click OK > > > > 4a) edit /etc/fstab replace UUID= as shown below for the UUID which you > > get in 1) > > > > /dev/disk/by-uuid/ /media/usb_XXXX auto > > users,noauto,atime,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 > > > > 4b) save and close > > > > voila it all works > > You could also label your usb disk and/or partitions. Detailed > instructions are found on: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive > > -- > lanzen Thank you guys! Labeling the partition did exactly what I intended! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 16:48:26 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:48:26 -0500 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810271148.26393.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 27 October 2008 01:30:07 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'; > unpacked it and navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? There are 47 > .deb files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- Howdy, Nigel. Before you go to installing All 47 packages, remove the .deb files for language support that you do not need. Either delete them (if you still have the compressed download file) or move them. That way you don't install a lot of space wasting files you don't need. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 16:51:09 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:09 -0500 Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working In-Reply-To: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 27 October 2008 04:34:06 am Edmund Laugasson wrote: > Hi! > > Has anybody problem, that if you run Firefox 3.0.3, it does not start? > > I tried from GUI and command line - no feedback - it just won't start :( > Sometimes it will start some minutes later. Often I just kill the process, > because I'm not so patient to wait some minutes. > > I found this thread - > http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840240 - but it > didn't help me. > > I also read from Google, that one TTF-font beginning with letter "t" caused > problem - I removed all my TTF-fonts with beginning "t" - no result. I run > also fc-cache -rv and made several restarts to PC - no effect :( > > So, I'm stuck and considering reinstall whole system and hoping, that next > time it will not happen. > > > Thanks, > Edmund Since you've tried everything else, try removing all firefox packages, with purge selected (from synaptic it would be "completely remove including config files"). Then try reinstalling them. It may be that some lib or some font didn't get installed, or maybe a lang support package. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 16:51:17 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:51:17 +0200 Subject: Changing screen DPI settings Message-ID: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> I use Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.10. The KDE 3 series was designed, like most user interfaces, for 72 DPI monitors. However, my 1680x1050 15.4" laptop has a DPI of about 128, which makes text and UI elements tiny. How can one configure the screen DPI in Kubuntu? I have been all over Kcontrol and cannot find it. In Windows it is very easy to find by clicking on the desktop properties and following the obvious settings trail. Note that I know how to change the text size, but DPI affects other interface elements as well. Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From gloonie at earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 16:51:24 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:51:24 -0400 Subject: Error in ubuntu-standard install (at fails) In-Reply-To: References: <48FFFBF7.6030006@rlknight.com> <49009D14.1040101@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <200810271251.24783.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, Has anyone had a problem installing the Intrepid package for "at". Here's what happens when I try to reinstall: Setting up at (3.1.10.1ubuntu3) ... * Starting deferred execution scheduler atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing at (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: at There is a bug report on Launchpad: Bug 286172. I prevents me from configuring ubuntu-standard and lsb-base. Glenn From ejviolet at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 16:57:20 2008 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: converting video files (getting OT) In-Reply-To: <1225115515.19381.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1447.37555.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Kevin Jones wrote: > > >> I just ran a avi file in Windows Media > Player. Worked fine. Yes, embarrassingly I still have a > windows box that I paid $3 for. > > >> > > >> Earl > > >> -Earl, > > > I thought so too. For some reason my windows > media player does not > > > play avi files. And certainly the zune gadget I > just bought seems to be > > > very restricted in what it plays. I have one > laptop that I keep for when > > > I need windows type stuff, and even then use vlc > as a player. > > > I do have a converter for windows, but would have > liked one for the > > > kubuntu > > > > > > Kevin You might need to go to tools-options section and see if avi is selected. I'm running Win2K. Earl From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 27 16:47:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:47:25 -0300 Subject: Connecting to wireless References: <49054A3D.3060304@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <2301909.nEpq6Kj59V@cedar.serverforest.com> Paul Lemmons wrote: > Is there a way to effect the order of start up when you login so that > wireless is at the head of the list? Every time I boot I get to listen > to FF, TB and Kopete whine about not being able to connect to the > network. If the wireless connected first it may cut down on some noise. There are two issues here, as I see it. One, Wireless can't start until you give it access to your gpg secrets if it uses WPA, and it can't access those until after login. Two, as far as those apps can tell - and if I follow the network config correctly - you ARE connected to a network. The annoying avahi stuff brings up eth0 even when I don't have anything plugged in, so all of my network apps whine too, because they think they're connected but DNS never resolves. Pulling anything related to avahi might help significantly. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 27 16:50:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:50:44 -0300 Subject: Help References: Message-ID: <1342086.7XW9rGe18R@cedar.serverforest.com> Sahana Basavapatna wrote: > I solved the problem myself!!!!! I had changed the properties of the > panel! > >> The left click on the mouse/touchpad is usually programmed to open/close >> documents. When i click to open a document on the bottom panel (when the >> doc/page is minimized), instead of teh document opening, it actually >> disappears. I dont have this problem when I switch to Windows XP. This _is_ after all, not Windows XP - it's like that because some people like to be able to do that. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 27 16:56:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:56:55 -0300 Subject: transfering emails from Kmail to Thunderbird References: <200810262203.05700.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <4904F0A9.2010606@lemmons.name> <200810271602.57099.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <5000671.cVbRSYJV2V@cedar.serverforest.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Sunday 26 October 2008 23:35:21 schreef Paul Lemmons: >> Peter Klaassen wrote: >> > Is it possible to manually transfer my emailarchive from Kmail >> > to Thunderbird. The import function of TB does not recognize >> > Kmail. >> >> http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq > > How do I import e-mail messages from kmail (Linux)? > > Make a new folder in kmail and name it inboxmbox. You'll see a > dialogue in > which you can save it as an mbox folder. Copy all posts in your kmail > inbox folder to the new inboxmbox folder. Exit kmail. Next, copy or move > inboxmbox to the subfolder Mail/Local Folders in your profile folder. When > you open Thunderbird you'll see the inboxmbox folder under Local Folders. > Copy the messages into your Inbox folder if you like. > > Nice, but not with 100 plus archive folders in Kmail. > > Thanks anyway Paul Considering that KMail gives you two ways to store your mail - as mboxes or as Maildirs (I believe it defaults to Maildirs, but I could be wrong), and Thunderbird reads either, just point Thunderbird at them and go. TB does not "recognize" kmail, because kmail doesn't have a mail format. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 17:16:31 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:16:31 +0200 Subject: Changing screen DPI settings In-Reply-To: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810271016p2c75d497udecca22773faae8c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/27 Dotan Cohen : > I use Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.10. The KDE 3 series was designed, > like most user interfaces, for 72 DPI monitors. However, my 1680x1050 > 15.4" laptop has a DPI of about 128, which makes text and UI elements > tiny. How can one configure the screen DPI in Kubuntu? I have been all > over Kcontrol and cannot find it. In Windows it is very easy to find > by clicking on the desktop properties and following the obvious > settings trail. Note that I know how to change the text size, but DPI > affects other interface elements as well. > > Thanks in advance. > i'm not sure, it's been a while since i used KDE3, but i think in KDE4 and KDE3 it's in the same section. go to system settings, appearance, the section about fonts and such stuff. i'm on windows right now, but i think it's called fonts. there is a DPI setting over there. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From paul at lemmons.name Mon Oct 27 17:29:22 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:29:22 -0700 Subject: Intrepid Video In-Reply-To: References: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4905FA72.7030209@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:Intrepid Video From: "Jonas Norlander" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Date: 10/27/2008 04:30 AM > 2008/10/27 Paul Lemmons : > >> I just upgraded my laptop to Intrepid and everything looks pretty much as >> expected. No real problems yet. Some of the applications are very immature >> but again, that is expected. There is one thing driving me crazy though... >> >> When I flip between desktops, open menus or start a dialog, the screen, for >> lack of a better word, goes hay-wire. It is like it looses sync and then >> gets its act together and updates to something readable. Is this just >> something else to be expected or is there a cure? >> >> > > Do you have desktop effects activated? Many things like this i blame > on the desktop effects which is not very stable yet, at least not for > me. > > / Jonas > > I turned off desktop effects and it did significantly improve. So, is this one of those things that I just need to sit back and be patient with? If so, that is ok. If there is a fix, though, that would be better. Gotta have those wobbly windows you know. Such a productivity booster :) -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> -- > > Howdy, Nigel. > Before you go to installing All 47 packages, remove the .deb files for > language support that you do not need. > > Either delete them (if you still have the compressed download file) or move > them. > > That way you don't install a lot of space wasting files you don't need. > > Actually the only extra language was/is a French dictionary. I downloaded the: OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz Using 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' (on the DEBS dir) it installed into /opt -- which means I keep OOoo 2.4 as well. Blessings, Nigel -- From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 18:17:25 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:17:25 +0100 Subject: Intrepid Video In-Reply-To: <4905FA72.7030209@lemmons.name> References: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> <4905FA72.7030209@lemmons.name> Message-ID: 2008/10/27 Paul Lemmons : > I turned off desktop effects and it did significantly improve. So, is this > one of those things that I just need to sit back and be patient with? If so, > that is ok. If there is a fix, though, that would be better. Gotta have > those wobbly windows you know. Such a productivity booster :) > Faster/better graphics card could make a difference or other drivers for it. I have a Nvidia 9600 with 512 Ram and using the restricted drivers and it still don't work smooth enough that i want to use it all the time, though i read that there is some problems with KDE4 desktop effekts and nvidias driver. I would sit back and be patient, waiting for all things to mature a bit. / Jonas From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Oct 27 18:21:12 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:21:12 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 and QSettings: failed to open file '/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc' Message-ID: <49060698.9080700@mail.ee> Hi! Installed Kubuntu 8.04.1 LTS (KDE 3.5.10) and latest kernel and other updates. Running OpenOffice.org binary soffice at command line tells me: QSettings: failed to open file '/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc' Checking that folder: $ ls -l /etc/qt3/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62 2007-10-12 18:06 kstylerc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 790 2007-10-12 18:06 lipstikstylerc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 837 2007-10-12 18:06 polyesterstylerc -rw-r----- 1 root root 1058 2008-10-09 21:45 qt_plugins_3.3rc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 210 2007-10-30 19:28 qt_plugins_3.3rc.dpkg-dist -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 975 2007-10-30 19:28 qtrc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 143 2007-10-12 18:06 speedcrunchrc I fixed that permission problem and now there is: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1058 2008-10-09 21:45 qt_plugins_3.3rc No more that error message but OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 won't run :( I looked inside the file: $ cat /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc [usr] lib/kde3/plugins/styles/plastik.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-08-26T13:09:16^e lib/kde3/plugins/styles/polyester.so=30307^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2007-06-14T18:04:04^e lib/kde3/plugins/styles/qtcurve.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-03-31T15:14:19^e lib/qt3/plugins/imageformats/libqmng.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-04-09T19:28:44^e lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/im-scim-bridge.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-03-07T01:11:07^e lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqimsw-multi.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-04-09T19:28:44^e lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqimsw-none.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-04-09T19:28:44^e lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqscim.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-04-15T00:41:06^e lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqsimple.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-04-09T19:28:44^e lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqxim.so=30300^e3^ei686 Linux g++-4.* full-config^e2008-04-09T19:28:44^e Then I looked at folder: $ ls -l /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1051 2008-08-26 12:45 highcolor.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 69828 2008-08-26 13:09 highcolor.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1069 2008-08-26 12:45 highcontrast.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 56568 2008-08-26 13:09 highcontrast.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1039 2008-08-26 12:46 keramik.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 209860 2008-08-26 13:09 keramik.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1167 2008-08-26 12:46 kthemestyle.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 163840 2008-08-26 13:09 kthemestyle.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1027 2008-08-26 12:46 light.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89980 2008-08-26 13:09 light.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1039 2008-08-26 12:45 plastik.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 126420 2008-08-26 13:09 plastik.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1058 2008-03-01 01:24 polyester.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 163784 2008-03-01 01:24 polyester.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 227116 2008-03-31 15:14 qtcurve.so ... and also: $ ls -l /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/imageformats/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21404 2008-04-09 19:28 libqmng.so $ ls -l /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 97268 2008-03-07 01:11 im-scim-bridge.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39904 2008-04-09 19:28 libqimsw-multi.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16652 2008-04-09 19:28 libqimsw-none.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1060 2008-04-15 00:40 libqscim.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131620 2008-04-15 00:41 libqscim.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 151380 2008-04-09 19:28 libqsimple.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48208 2008-04-09 19:28 libqxim.so I also found the following addresses: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/opera-%2B-java-stuerzt-ab-%2B-qt-version-geht-nic/ removing or renaming /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3r didn't help. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/05/28/%23ubuntu-devel.txt I made symlink: ln -s /etc/qt3 /etc/qt3-32 ... but it didn't help me... Currently after some time (several minutes) there might be happen, that OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 will run. Then the following message appeared onto console after several minutes, when Openoffice.org 3.0.0 started: $ /opt/openoffice.org3/program/../basis-link/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqscim.so) /opt/openoffice.org3/program/../basis-link/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqscim.so) Then I googled: http://www.google.com/search?q=version+`GLIBCXX_3.4.9'+not+found and found: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/usrliblibstdc.so.6-version-glibcxx3.4.9-not-found-required-by-.example1-604625/ Searching apt: sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search glibcxx ... did not found nothing Then I found: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.g++.help/msg/32c0df4f11ff018a but it's quite complicated... http://autopackage.org/apbuild-apgcc.php - does anybody know, is this the solution? Or will this error fixed in next update? I made some days ago complete remove (--purge conf files) to sun-java6*, firefox, openoffice.org3 and then reinstalled again and everything worked. Even digital signing with Estonian ID-card worked again. Thanks, Edmund From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 18:34:21 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:34:21 +0100 Subject: Changing screen DPI settings In-Reply-To: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/27 Dotan Cohen : > I use Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.10. The KDE 3 series was designed, > like most user interfaces, for 72 DPI monitors. However, my 1680x1050 > 15.4" laptop has a DPI of about 128, which makes text and UI elements > tiny. How can one configure the screen DPI in Kubuntu? I have been all > over Kcontrol and cannot find it. In Windows it is very easy to find > by clicking on the desktop properties and following the obvious > settings trail. Note that I know how to change the text size, but DPI > affects other interface elements as well. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Dotan Cohen I found this on the gentoo wiki. The site is down so you have to use googles cached: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:9dzqFHNpCoEJ:gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Set_DPI_(Dots_Per_Inch)+xorg.conf+dpi&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=se&client=firefox-a / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 18:44:17 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:44:17 +0100 Subject: Changing screen DPI settings In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/10/27 Dotan Cohen : >> I use Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.10. The KDE 3 series was designed, >> like most user interfaces, for 72 DPI monitors. However, my 1680x1050 >> 15.4" laptop has a DPI of about 128, which makes text and UI elements >> tiny. How can one configure the screen DPI in Kubuntu? I have been all >> over Kcontrol and cannot find it. In Windows it is very easy to find >> by clicking on the desktop properties and following the obvious >> settings trail. Note that I know how to change the text size, but DPI >> affects other interface elements as well. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> -- >> Dotan Cohen > > I found this on the gentoo wiki. The site is down so you have to use > googles cached: > http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:9dzqFHNpCoEJ:gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Set_DPI_(Dots_Per_Inch)+xorg.conf+dpi&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=se&client=firefox-a > > / Jonas Gimp does all that too. It is under preferences, monitor. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 18:58:12 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:58:12 +0200 Subject: Intrepid Video In-Reply-To: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> References: <4905330D.1070705@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <15edeae40810271158t44dc25aasc18c95072a007018@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/27 Paul Lemmons : > I just upgraded my laptop to Intrepid and everything looks pretty much as > expected. No real problems yet. Some of the applications are very immature > but again, that is expected. There is one thing driving me crazy though... > > When I flip between desktops, open menus or start a dialog, the screen, for > lack of a better word, goes hay-wire. It is like it looses sync and then > gets its act together and updates to something readable. Is this just > something else to be expected or is there a cure? > what's ur graphics card? if it's nvidia, this nvidia's problem.nvidia's restricted driver is currently not working well with KDE4, the KDE team have already notified nvidia of this, and nvidia released a better working driver (177) but is still buggy. if you're using some other graphic cards, then you might be experiencing some buggy KDE code, but when desktop effects are diabled for me, i don't get any glitch. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From deloptes at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:00:40 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:00:40 +0100 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >> >> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy >> at >> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the >> project! >> -- >> derek > > What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL > What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) > > So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating > balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a > full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for > movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the > mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast > switching. > > No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and > desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What > would it look like to you? > > I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run > software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need > something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing > about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer > hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE > or X. > > You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost > done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he > is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is > something I am going to do anyway. > > The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit > of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, > Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can > make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? > > I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving > using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in > feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with > body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not > for ease of use to the average Newbie.) > > Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program > from within Panda3d. > > BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years > ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming > and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. > > The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. > > So do you REALLY want to try it? > Something I found by incident, look at it, it sounds interesting: http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 20:07:30 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:07:30 +0100 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton >> wrote: >>> Knapp wrote: >>> >>>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >>> >>> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're lousy >>> at >>> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the >>> project! >>> -- >>> derek >> >> What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL >> What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) >> >> So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating >> balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a >> full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for >> movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the >> mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast >> switching. >> >> No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and >> desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What >> would it look like to you? >> >> I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run >> software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need >> something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing >> about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer >> hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE >> or X. >> >> You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost >> done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he >> is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is >> something I am going to do anyway. >> >> The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit >> of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, >> Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can >> make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? >> >> I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving >> using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in >> feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with >> body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not >> for ease of use to the average Newbie.) >> >> Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program >> from within Panda3d. >> >> BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years >> ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming >> and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. >> >> The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. >> >> So do you REALLY want to try it? >> > > > Something I found by incident, look at it, it sounds interesting: > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page Is that a joke? Did you see my sig? Or did you forget to type something? I hope this does not come off rude. I am really confused is all. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Oct 27 21:31:05 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:31:05 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 and QSettings: failed to open file '/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc' -> SOLVED In-Reply-To: <49060698.9080700@mail.ee> References: <49060698.9080700@mail.ee> Message-ID: <49063319.4090207@mail.ee> > Running OpenOffice.org binary soffice at command line tells me: > QSettings: failed to open file '/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc' > Then the following message appeared onto console after several minutes, > when Openoffice.org 3.0.0 started: > $ > /opt/openoffice.org3/program/../basis-link/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6: > version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by > /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqscim.so) > /opt/openoffice.org3/program/../basis-link/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6: > version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by > /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/libqscim.so) The solution is located here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=808045 Well, problem circumvented by actually *fixing* the system to use scim in XIM-dependent programs. My /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/skim file, which was chosen as the alternative for /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL, was *incomplete*. I didn't have the option to choose scim or scim-bridge instead. That likely would've fixed the issue straight-away, since I only have scim installed because skim pulled it as a dependency. The top of said skim file read: Code: XIM=SCIM XIM_PROGRAM=" " Obviously, the latter line worried me, since all guides and howtos I've read says to modify scim and/or scim-bridge to say the following: Code: XIM=SCIM XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/scim XIM_ARGS="-d" XIM_PROGRAM_SETS_ITSELF_AS_DAEMON=yes So I modified it thus, logged out, did a /etc/init.d/kdm restart, and everything now works. From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Oct 28 09:50:13 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:50:13 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working In-Reply-To: <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Monday 27 October 2008 04:34:06 am Edmund Laugasson wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Has anybody problem, that if you run Firefox 3.0.3, it does not start? >> >> I tried from GUI and command line - no feedback - it just won't start :( >> Sometimes it will start some minutes later. Often I just kill the process, >> because I'm not so patient to wait some minutes. >> >> I found this thread - >> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840240 - but it >> didn't help me. >> >> I also read from Google, that one TTF-font beginning with letter "t" caused >> problem - I removed all my TTF-fonts with beginning "t" - no result. I run >> also fc-cache -rv and made several restarts to PC - no effect :( >> >> So, I'm stuck and considering reinstall whole system and hoping, that next >> time it will not happen. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Edmund > > Since you've tried everything else, try removing all firefox packages, with > purge selected (from synaptic it would be "completely remove including config > files"). > > Then try reinstalling them. It may be that some lib or some font didn't get > installed, or maybe a lang support package. > Before going there, you might open a terminal and see, what "sudo firefox" shows. In any case "reinstall whole system and hoping, that next time it will not happen." is not a viable option, imho. Generally in Linux it is far more preferable to fix your problem before going for the "windowisch problem solution strategy". And, after all and as far as I can see, firefox works excellently on x/k/ubuntu, (nearly) anywhere. Kind regards Eberhard Kind regards Eberhard From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 11:27:06 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:27:06 +0100 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Emanoil Kotsev > wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton >>> wrote: >>>> Knapp wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>>>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>>>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>>>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>>>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>>>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >>>> >>>> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're >>>> lousy at >>>> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the >>>> project! >>>> -- >>>> derek >>> >>> What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL >>> What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) >>> >>> So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating >>> balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a >>> full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for >>> movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the >>> mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast >>> switching. >>> >>> No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and >>> desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What >>> would it look like to you? >>> >>> I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run >>> software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need >>> something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing >>> about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer >>> hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE >>> or X. >>> >>> You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost >>> done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he >>> is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is >>> something I am going to do anyway. >>> >>> The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit >>> of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, >>> Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can >>> make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? >>> >>> I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving >>> using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in >>> feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with >>> body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not >>> for ease of use to the average Newbie.) >>> >>> Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program >>> from within Panda3d. >>> >>> BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years >>> ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming >>> and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. >>> >>> The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. >>> >>> So do you REALLY want to try it? >>> >> >> >> Something I found by incident, look at it, it sounds interesting: >> >> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > Is that a joke? Did you see my sig? Or did you forget to type > something? I hope this does not come off rude. I am really confused is > all. > I saw your signature after I've posted to the thread. I just remembered the panda3d discussion, while I was looking for something else, I followed a link to this site. On my turn I don't understand what you wanted to say about the joke or so... I posted the link because think it is related to the topic, that's all. After this I read more about it and saw your name somewhere, so wasn't quite sure it's you, but thought so. regards From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 12:45:30 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:45:30 +0100 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Emanoil Kotsev >> wrote: >>> Knapp wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton >>>> wrote: >>>>> Knapp wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>>>>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new desktop >>>>>> to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer and there >>>>>> would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. BTW the >>>>>> license has been changed to be fully open source now. That being the >>>>>> reason it is not even in the repos now. >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >>>>> >>>>> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're >>>>> lousy at >>>>> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on the >>>>> project! >>>>> -- >>>>> derek >>>> >>>> What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL >>>> What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) >>>> >>>> So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating >>>> balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a >>>> full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for >>>> movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the >>>> mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast >>>> switching. >>>> >>>> No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and >>>> desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What >>>> would it look like to you? >>>> >>>> I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run >>>> software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need >>>> something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing >>>> about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer >>>> hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE >>>> or X. >>>> >>>> You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost >>>> done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he >>>> is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is >>>> something I am going to do anyway. >>>> >>>> The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit >>>> of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, >>>> Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can >>>> make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? >>>> >>>> I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving >>>> using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in >>>> feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with >>>> body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not >>>> for ease of use to the average Newbie.) >>>> >>>> Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program >>>> from within Panda3d. >>>> >>>> BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years >>>> ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming >>>> and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. >>>> >>>> The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. >>>> >>>> So do you REALLY want to try it? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Something I found by incident, look at it, it sounds interesting: >>> >>> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page >> >> Is that a joke? Did you see my sig? Or did you forget to type >> something? I hope this does not come off rude. I am really confused is >> all. >> > > I saw your signature after I've posted to the thread. I just remembered the > panda3d discussion, while I was looking for something else, I followed a > link to this site. > > On my turn I don't understand what you wanted to say about the joke or so... > > I posted the link because think it is related to the topic, that's all. > After this I read more about it and saw your name somewhere, so wasn't > quite sure it's you, but thought so. > > regards Ah OK, no joke. I just did not understand. Yes, that is my site. I am making a game science fiction game using panda3d. That sight is for my scribbles and designs. It was made with the idea of others helping but mostly it is my work with and idea here and there given by others. Is is a fun project and I wish I could get more people to help. It is a large project with a lot of branches that could all be done at the same time. I have been working this week on the part that makes orbits for multiple star systems. I am glad to be almost done with the galaxy making program because next comes the space ship flight program and that is something others can play. I am hoping as I put out an alpha to recruit more programmers. The alpha will be simple with just 2 ships, each ship having a crew of 3 people. I will start with them just exploring the galaxy but then move into them fighting. Fighting is to the goal of my game but it is a good way to test out the ships. After that I will work more on economics, space-stations and planet landings. I would love to get this game into the Ubuntu repositories! First goal is to get panda3d in there. I am hoping that that will happen soon. If not I might have to push the issue. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 14:43:42 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:43:42 +0100 Subject: The NEW 3D PanUbuntu Was: Is it me or does Hardy run like a pig? References: Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Emanoil Kotsev > wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Emanoil Kotsev >>> wrote: >>>> Knapp wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Derek Broughton >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Knapp wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that it would be great fun to include panda3d in *Ubuntu as >>>>>>> part of the standard install and then use it for making a new >>>>>>> desktop to replace KDE, Gnome etc. You could do one like Neuromancer >>>>>>> and there would not even be that much code. Talk about eye candy. >>>>>>> BTW the license has been changed to be fully open source now. That >>>>>>> being the reason it is not even in the repos now. >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer >>>>>> >>>>>> Either you're the most brilliant programmer ever, or like me you're >>>>>> lousy at >>>>>> estimating project costs :-) But if it's the first, count me in on >>>>>> the project! >>>>>> -- >>>>>> derek >>>>> >>>>> What do we call it PanUbuntu because the devil is in the details? LOL >>>>> What costs? We all work for free around here. :-) >>>>> >>>>> So what do we need? A bunch of links to software seen as floating >>>>> balls of light in a large room? When clicked on they blow up into a >>>>> full normal 2d screen. Perhaps like a first person shooter for >>>>> movement with your shot starting up the balls of light? Moving the >>>>> mouse to the bottom of a 2d program brings up kicker like bar for fast >>>>> switching. >>>>> >>>>> No start up menu but some sort of rotating 3d lists?? Favorites and >>>>> desktop choices float. Do we have gravity? How much animation? What >>>>> would it look like to you? >>>>> >>>>> I have in the past started something, X??, and you can start and run >>>>> software there but no windows manager is running, so we just need >>>>> something on top of that, whatever it was. Yes, I know almost nothing >>>>> about that layer of Linux. I am a game programmer turned computer >>>>> hobby game writer. Never bothered to learn the gritty details of KDE >>>>> or X. >>>>> >>>>> You really want to try this? I have the animation of the man almost >>>>> done. He can walk right now. Better yet, lets use ManCandy, because he >>>>> is ugly but REALLY well done and open source. Making a walk for him is >>>>> something I am going to do anyway. >>>>> >>>>> The simple room would take 10 minutes to make. 3d icons would be a bit >>>>> of work but we could prototype it with like FF, KVirc, OO, Kate, >>>>> Konqueror. Stick with Qt? Make this a sort of 3d KDE? Perhaps we can >>>>> make it standard in Kununtu for the April Fools Day release? >>>>> >>>>> I have a movement interface designed for doing complex puppet moving >>>>> using the 10 key and the mouse. It is a bit like Mortal Kombat in >>>>> feel. (OK, this might not be the best choice as it was designed with >>>>> body language portrayal usage for interacting with others online, not >>>>> for ease of use to the average Newbie.) >>>>> >>>>> Only thing I am not sure of is the launching and ending of a program >>>>> from within Panda3d. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, I don't claim to be the best programmer anymore, perhaps 20 years >>>>> ago but not know. I went for 10 years without doing any programming >>>>> and now I am REALLY rusty and just getting good with python. >>>>> >>>>> The real first step would be to get Panda3d into the repositories. >>>>> >>>>> So do you REALLY want to try it? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Something I found by incident, look at it, it sounds interesting: >>>> >>>> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page >>> >>> Is that a joke? Did you see my sig? Or did you forget to type >>> something? I hope this does not come off rude. I am really confused is >>> all. >>> >> >> I saw your signature after I've posted to the thread. I just remembered >> the panda3d discussion, while I was looking for something else, I >> followed a link to this site. >> >> On my turn I don't understand what you wanted to say about the joke or >> so... >> >> I posted the link because think it is related to the topic, that's all. >> After this I read more about it and saw your name somewhere, so wasn't >> quite sure it's you, but thought so. >> >> regards > > Ah OK, no joke. I just did not understand. Yes, that is my site. I am > making a game science fiction game using panda3d. That sight is for my > scribbles and designs. It was made with the idea of others helping but > mostly it is my work with and idea here and there given by others. Is > is a fun project and I wish I could get more people to help. It is a > large project with a lot of branches that could all be done at the > same time. I have been working this week on the part that makes orbits > for multiple star systems. I am glad to be almost done with the galaxy > making program because next comes the space ship flight program and > that is something others can play. I am hoping as I put out an alpha > to recruit more programmers. > > The alpha will be simple with just 2 ships, each ship having a crew of > 3 people. I will start with them just exploring the galaxy but then > move into them fighting. Fighting is to the goal of my game but it is > a good way to test out the ships. After that I will work more on > economics, space-stations and planet landings. > > I would love to get this game into the Ubuntu repositories! First goal > is to get panda3d in there. I am hoping that that will happen soon. If > not I might have to push the issue. > Understand. I was following a thread about MatLab equivalent under linux and surprisingly came to this site. I'm interested in mathematical modelling of phenomenons primary for linguistics, but 3d is interesting because I'm thinking of an animated assistant (agent) may be the so called talking head, who speaks and helps you do things on and with your desktop ... regards From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Oct 28 16:49:02 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:49:02 +0000 Subject: Upgrading packages Message-ID: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic updating of packages, eg Universe. If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that there is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? Neil Winchurst From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 18:17:18 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:17:18 -0400 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> Knapp said the following on 10/27/2008 07:34 AM: > Nice talk about it. > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027 > It's not a very good choice, is it? I'm kinda torn. I want to keep the latest xorg code to get the best drivers for my ATI card, so I need to go with the current distro. But, I've spent more than a day playing with kde4, and it just doesn't work well enough to use for production. It's actually worse than gnome. Maybe someone will backport kde3 to ibex .. we can hope. regards, From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu Tue Oct 28 18:22:23 2008 From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:22:23 -0500 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> References: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810281322.25246.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> On Tuesday October 28 2008 01:17:18 pm Paul S wrote: > Knapp said the following on 10/27/2008 07:34 AM: > > Nice talk about it. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027 > > It's not a very good choice, is it? > > I'm kinda torn. I want to keep the latest xorg code to get the best > drivers for my ATI card, so I need to go with the current distro. > > But, I've spent more than a day playing with kde4, and it just doesn't > work well enough to use for production. It's actually worse than gnome. > > Maybe someone will backport kde3 to ibex .. we can hope. I'm not going to tell anyone to use anything they don't want to use, but I at least hope you submitted the bugs and missing functionality that you encountered before you went back to KDE3. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Tue Oct 28 18:41:11 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:41:11 +0200 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> References: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49075CC7.6000304@prayingforisrael.net> Paul S wrote: > Knapp said the following on 10/27/2008 07:34 AM: >> Nice talk about it. >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027 >> > > It's not a very good choice, is it? > > I'm kinda torn. I want to keep the latest xorg code to get the best > drivers for my ATI card, so I need to go with the current distro. > > But, I've spent more than a day playing with kde4, and it just doesn't > work well enough to use for production. It's actually worse than gnome. > > Maybe someone will backport kde3 to ibex .. we can hope. > > regards, > I've spent more than a week already using it on and off on my boys' box - I'm starting to like it. Something different now and again gets you out of the rut and gives a fresh ability to think laterally -- always a good thing....... Blessings, Nigel -- From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Tue Oct 28 18:18:40 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:18:40 +0200 Subject: Changing screen DPI settings In-Reply-To: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49075780.90400@prayingforisrael.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > I use Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.10. The KDE 3 series was designed, > like most user interfaces, for 72 DPI monitors. However, my 1680x1050 > 15.4" laptop has a DPI of about 128, which makes text and UI elements > tiny. How can one configure the screen DPI in Kubuntu? I have been all > over Kcontrol and cannot find it. In Windows it is very easy to find > by clicking on the desktop properties and following the obvious > settings trail. Note that I know how to change the text size, but DPI > affects other interface elements as well. > > Thanks in advance. > Hi Dotan, Go to 'System Settings > Appearance (under 'Look & Feel') > Fonts' and you will see a small box 'Force fonts DPI:'. You can change the settings there. Blessings, Nigel -- From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 28 19:28:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:53 -0300 Subject: Upgrading packages References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> Message-ID: <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic > updating of packages, eg Universe. > > If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that there > is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? Turn on universe in your favorite package manager... If it's not included in automatic updating, it's only because it's either not present or not enabled in sources.list -- derek From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Oct 28 20:44:56 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:44:56 -0700 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> References: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810281344.56163.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Tuesday 28 October 2008 11:17:18 am Paul S wrote: > But, I've spent more than a day playing with kde4, and it just doesn't > work well enough to use for production.  It's actually worse than gnome. That is my feeling also but have have played with it for a couple of hours each time they do an update. Still can't use it for anything but it has been getting better! I'm not sure it is actually as bad as Gnome but it is mighty close! You can make the menu system useful which makes it a little better but the rest is still not what I'd choose for a working machine. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 21:44:56 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:44:56 +0200 Subject: Changing screen DPI settings In-Reply-To: <49075780.90400@prayingforisrael.net> References: <880dece00810270951o6026b9favaaebaa870a1ac2b0@mail.gmail.com> <49075780.90400@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <880dece00810281444u5ea22f72gab594b0dabbecbb6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/28 Nigel Ridley : > Go to 'System Settings > Appearance (under 'Look & Feel') > Fonts' and you will see a small box > 'Force fonts DPI:'. You can change the settings there. > Thanks, Nigel, Willy mentioned that too. I have played with that setting, and it has no effect on my system (even after a reboot). I will have to play with the items mentioned in the Gentoo wiki I suppose, but that will have to wait. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mailinglist at endosquid.com Tue Oct 28 23:23:17 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:23:17 -0400 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> References: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810281923.18386.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Tuesday 28 October 2008, Paul S wrote: > Knapp said the following on 10/27/2008 07:34 AM: > > Nice talk about it. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027 > > It's not a very good choice, is it? > > I'm kinda torn. I want to keep the latest xorg code to get the best > drivers for my ATI card, so I need to go with the current distro. > > But, I've spent more than a day playing with kde4, and it just doesn't > work well enough to use for production. It's actually worse than gnome. "Work well enough for me" or "Work well enough" i.e. buggy or broken? From almilis at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 01:02:39 2008 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:02:39 +0700 Subject: USB Disk: not detected problem and not ejected messaga Message-ID: <36135600810281802wbd262f0s970eabcdcb1a76e8@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've got several USB disks which always work fine with XP and Vista. Unfortunately, once in a while the kubuntu system can not detect those USB disks. No information is available in /etc/fstab nor "/dev/" node is created. How can I handle it? Sometimes it works after I do "fdisk -l" and "lsusb", but sometimes nothing happens. Also, I always get a "The device was succesfuly unmounted, but could not be rejected" message. It is annoying, but I can live with that. Regards, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From almilis at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 01:09:39 2008 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:09:39 +0700 Subject: VMware Player 2.5.0: throwing 'Glib::FileError' Message-ID: <36135600810281809m3ae6eeebgc11e5f094761a43e@mail.gmail.com> I have successfully installed VMware Player on many kubuntus but one systems! When running the player, it will abort with this error message: "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::FileError'" I tried to Google, but could not find any working solution. Thank you for any clue! -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From dhcolesj at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 02:13:54 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:13:54 -0500 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <4905FBFE.9020503@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <200810271148.26393.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4905FBFE.9020503@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810282113.55062.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 27 October 2008 12:35:58 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Monday 27 October 2008 01:30:07 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'; > >> unpacked it and navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? There are > >> 47 .deb files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? > >> > >> Blessings, > >> > >> Nigel > >> > >> -- > > > > Howdy, Nigel. > > Before you go to installing All 47 packages, remove the .deb files for > > language support that you do not need. > > > > Either delete them (if you still have the compressed download file) or > > move them. > > > > That way you don't install a lot of space wasting files you don't need. > > Actually the only extra language was/is a French dictionary. I downloaded > the: OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz > > Using 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' (on the DEBS dir) it installed into /opt -- > which means I keep OOoo 2.4 as well. Sounds good. The last time I downloaded a tar package for OOo it had all the languages in it. I must have downloaded the wrong file. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 02:31:31 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:31:31 -0400 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <49075CC7.6000304@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> <49075CC7.6000304@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <5D8A351F-3E80-4886-9303-85420AB72FB7@gmail.com> OK, so, three things have pushed me to decide. A fresh install of Kubuntu went horribly. Unusable. Off center screen I can't adjust with hardware controls. Invisible but functioning mouse. I know I can probably troubleshoot it, but from what I see when I launch KDE 4 from 8.04.1, it isn't worth the effort yet. Intrepid Gnome installed flawlessly on the same test box, and when I upgraded my work gnome box. It is definitely a winner. I read in the cited article and on the Debian web site that Lenny will support KDE 3.5.9 or 10 for about 4 more years. So that's my KDE LTS. So I stick with kubuntu 8.04.1 for another year and see if KDE 4 is ready at that time. If it is, I upgrade to the current kubuntu at that time. If not, I switch to Debian Lenny. Problem solved. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Paul S wrote: >> Knapp said the following on 10/27/2008 07:34 AM: >>> Nice talk about it. >>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027 >>> >> >> It's not a very good choice, is it? >> >> I'm kinda torn. I want to keep the latest xorg code to get the best >> drivers for my ATI card, so I need to go with the current distro. >> >> But, I've spent more than a day playing with kde4, and it just >> doesn't >> work well enough to use for production. It's actually worse than >> gnome. >> >> Maybe someone will backport kde3 to ibex .. we can hope. >> >> regards, >> > > I've spent more than a week already using it on and off on my boys' > box - I'm starting to like it. > Something different now and again gets you out of the rut and gives > a fresh ability to think > laterally -- always a good thing....... > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Wed Oct 29 03:01:30 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:01:30 -0400 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <5D8A351F-3E80-4886-9303-85420AB72FB7@gmail.com> References: <49075CC7.6000304@prayingforisrael.net> <5D8A351F-3E80-4886-9303-85420AB72FB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810282301.30435.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Tuesday 28 October 2008 22:31:31 Art Alexion wrote (Reply at bottom): > So I stick with kubuntu 8.04.1 for another year and see if KDE 4 is   > ready at that time. If it is, I upgrade to the current kubuntu at that   > time. If not, I switch to Debian Lenny. > > Problem solved. Yeah, I agree, there's no need for knee jerk reactions. 8.04 will be supported for a while longer and even though there won't be many new packages for it they will still likely be more up to date than other distro's offering 3.5.x I've been following the kde developers planned features and it appears that most of the missing parts (config) and annoyances will be fixed in kde 4.2 come January. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 06:53:00 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:53:00 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <200810282113.55062.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <200810271148.26393.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4905FBFE.9020503@prayingforisrael.net> <200810282113.55062.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4908084C.8060101@gmail.com> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Monday 27 October 2008 12:35:58 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >>> On Monday 27 October 2008 01:30:07 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>> OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'; >>>> unpacked it and navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? There are >>>> 47 .deb files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> >>>> Nigel >>>> >>>> -- >>> Howdy, Nigel. >>> Before you go to installing All 47 packages, remove the .deb files for >>> language support that you do not need. >>> >>> Either delete them (if you still have the compressed download file) or >>> move them. >>> >>> That way you don't install a lot of space wasting files you don't need. >> Actually the only extra language was/is a French dictionary. I downloaded >> the: OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz >> >> Using 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' (on the DEBS dir) it installed into /opt -- >> which means I keep OOoo 2.4 as well. > > > Sounds good. The last time I downloaded a tar package for OOo it had all the > languages in it. I must have downloaded the wrong file. > > I downloaded and installed but unless I run it with kdesu or sudo it can not open any files, it just starts the recovery manager over and over again. I changed all files from root to my username with chown and chgrp but no difference. Anyone have a hint of why or seen similar behaviour? From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 09:48:47 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:48:47 +0200 Subject: USB Disk: not detected problem and not ejected messaga In-Reply-To: <36135600810281802wbd262f0s970eabcdcb1a76e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600810281802wbd262f0s970eabcdcb1a76e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810290248v35cc3e15q58cbfe825d34b17e@mail.gmail.com> On 29/10/2008, Ali Milis wrote: > Hi, > > I've got several USB disks which always work fine with XP and Vista. > Unfortunately, once in a while the kubuntu system can not detect those > USB disks. No information is available in /etc/fstab nor "/dev/" node > is created. > > How can I handle it? Sometimes it works after I do "fdisk -l" and > "lsusb", but sometimes nothing happens. > > Also, I always get a "The device was succesfuly unmounted, but > could not be rejected" message. It is annoying, but I can live > with that. > > Regards, > hi, can you please, after inserting this USB in kubuntu, and you find it's not working, go to a terminal, and type "dmesg | tail" without the quotes, and put the output here? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Oct 29 10:08:57 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:08:57 +0000 Subject: Upgrading packages In-Reply-To: <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic >> updating of packages, eg Universe. >> >> If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that there >> is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? > > Turn on universe in your favorite package manager... > > If it's not included in automatic updating, it's only because it's either > not present or not enabled in sources.list Universe is enabled in sources.list. Here is the relevant section from the file > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu > ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to > ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in > ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security > ## team. > deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe > deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe > deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe As you can see it says that I will not receive updates. Is there some way around this please? Neil From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 10:24:13 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:24:13 +0200 Subject: Upgrading packages In-Reply-To: <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> Message-ID: <490839CD.9040907@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >>> I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic >>> updating of packages, eg Universe. >>> >>> If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that there >>> is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? >> Turn on universe in your favorite package manager... >> >> If it's not included in automatic updating, it's only because it's either >> not present or not enabled in sources.list > > Universe is enabled in sources.list. Here is the relevant section from > the file > >> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu >> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to >> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in >> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security >> ## team. >> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe >> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe >> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe >> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > As you can see it says that I will not receive updates. Is there some > way around this please? > I believe that you are just interpreting the statement the wrong way. It says that the Ubuntu Security Team are not involved in reviewing updates to the Universe repos as these are packages not maintained by Ubuntu Security Team. That does not mean they do not get updated every now and then. Correct me if I am wrong, Sinclair From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Oct 29 10:45:21 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:45:21 +0200 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? Message-ID: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? Blessings, Nigel -- From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 10:48:21 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:48:21 -0400 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <200810282301.30435.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> References: <49075CC7.6000304@prayingforisrael.net> <5D8A351F-3E80-4886-9303-85420AB72FB7@gmail.com> <200810282301.30435.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> Message-ID: One proviso as I test Lenny, it seems to have the newer "guts" of Intrepid, like an improved Samba, but with the stable KDE. May be worth switching now if you have a separate /home partition. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:01 PM, Jason Straight wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2008 22:31:31 Art Alexion wrote (Reply at > bottom): > > So I stick with kubuntu 8.04.1 for another year and see if KDE 4 is > > ready at that time. If it is, I upgrade to the current kubuntu at > that > > time. If not, I switch to Debian Lenny. > > > > Problem solved. > Yeah, I agree, there's no need for knee jerk reactions. 8.04 will be > supported for a while longer and even though there won't be many new > packages for it they will still likely be more up to date than other > distro's offering 3.5.x > I've been following the kde developers planned features and it > appears that most of the missing parts (config) and annoyances will > be fixed in kde 4.2 come January. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 10:51:04 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:51:04 +0200 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40810290351o7f63f8b5ud02135a13c519c1e@mail.gmail.com> On 29/10/2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK > (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > i'm not sure it will run. Intrepid seems to be sluggish a bit. i guess you can always try the live cd, it won't be fast, but you'll get the idea of how responsive the programs, and moving their windows will be. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 10:53:34 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:53:34 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <4908084C.8060101@gmail.com> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <200810271148.26393.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4905FBFE.9020503@prayingforisrael.net> <200810282113.55062.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4908084C.8060101@gmail.com> Message-ID: No problems with the ppa install, but the pdfimport.oxt does not install. Installs and works well under windows. I can't wait until they fix the Linux version. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:53 AM, "O. Sinclair" wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >> On Monday 27 October 2008 12:35:58 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >>>> On Monday 27 October 2008 01:30:07 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>>> OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en- >>>>> US_deb.tar.gz'; >>>>> unpacked it and navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? >>>>> There are >>>>> 47 .deb files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? >>>>> >>>>> Blessings, >>>>> >>>>> Nigel >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> Howdy, Nigel. >>>> Before you go to installing All 47 packages, remove the .deb >>>> files for >>>> language support that you do not need. >>>> >>>> Either delete them (if you still have the compressed download >>>> file) or >>>> move them. >>>> >>>> That way you don't install a lot of space wasting files you don't >>>> need. >>> Actually the only extra language was/is a French dictionary. I >>> downloaded >>> the: OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz >>> >>> Using 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' (on the DEBS dir) it installed into / >>> opt -- >>> which means I keep OOoo 2.4 as well. >> >> >> Sounds good. The last time I downloaded a tar package for OOo it >> had all the >> languages in it. I must have downloaded the wrong file. >> >> > I downloaded and installed but unless I run it with kdesu or sudo it > can > not open any files, it just starts the recovery manager over and over > again. I changed all files from root to my username with chown and > chgrp > but no difference. Anyone have a hint of why or seen similar > behaviour? > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 10:57:49 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:57:49 -0400 Subject: Upgrading packages In-Reply-To: <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> Message-ID: <51F3FFBF-F328-4A68-BA8A-8B3C8E9457E7@gmail.com> Oh, you mean as a matter of policy as opposed to technical reasons. That's why it is "universe". Universe is not officially supported. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >>> I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic >>> updating of packages, eg Universe. >>> >>> If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that >>> there >>> is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? >> >> Turn on universe in your favorite package manager... >> >> If it's not included in automatic updating, it's only because it's >> either >> not present or not enabled in sources.list > > Universe is enabled in sources.list. Here is the relevant section from > the file > >> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by >> the Ubuntu >> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy >> yourself as to >> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software >> in >> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu >> security >> ## team. >> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe >> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe >> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe >> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > As you can see it says that I will not receive updates. Is there some > way around this please? > > Neil > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 11:17:53 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:17:53 +0100 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: Nigel Ridley wrote: > I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK > (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > sure! xubuntu, obenbox, fluxbox, icewm... ? regards Eberhard From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 11:24:58 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:24:58 +0100 Subject: Strigi and Intrepid Message-ID: Hi I wanted to test if strigi was usable in Intrepid but it wasn't (at least not for me). Strigi and Nepomuk was constant running on more then 50% cpu on my AMD X2 5600. So for me that's the third release with an unusable strigi. Is it normal with 50% cpu on a fast computer even if it's indexing a lot of new files or am i alone with strigi problems in Intrepid? / Jonas From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Wed Oct 29 11:31:59 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:31:59 +0000 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810291132.00007.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 10:45:21 Nigel Ridley wrote: > I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run > Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? There is some info on it here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 11:34:48 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:34:48 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <200810271148.26393.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4905FBFE.9020503@prayingforisrael.net> <200810282113.55062.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4908084C.8060101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49084A58.8030203@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > No problems with the ppa install, but the pdfimport.oxt does not > install. > > Installs and works well under windows. I can't wait until they fix the > Linux version. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as > well. > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:53 AM, "O. Sinclair" wrote: > >> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >>> On Monday 27 October 2008 12:35:58 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >>>>> On Monday 27 October 2008 01:30:07 am Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>>>> OK, so I downloaded the 'OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en- >>>>>> US_deb.tar.gz'; >>>>>> unpacked it and navigated to the 'DEBS' directory. Now what!? >>>>>> There are >>>>>> 47 .deb files. How does one go about installing OpenOffice 3.0.0? >>>>>> >>>>>> Blessings, >>>>>> >>>>>> Nigel >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Howdy, Nigel. >>>>> Before you go to installing All 47 packages, remove the .deb >>>>> files for >>>>> language support that you do not need. >>>>> >>>>> Either delete them (if you still have the compressed download >>>>> file) or >>>>> move them. >>>>> >>>>> That way you don't install a lot of space wasting files you don't >>>>> need. >>>> Actually the only extra language was/is a French dictionary. I >>>> downloaded >>>> the: OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz >>>> >>>> Using 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' (on the DEBS dir) it installed into / >>>> opt -- >>>> which means I keep OOoo 2.4 as well. >>> >>> Sounds good. The last time I downloaded a tar package for OOo it >>> had all the >>> languages in it. I must have downloaded the wrong file. >>> >>> >> I downloaded and installed but unless I run it with kdesu or sudo it >> can >> not open any files, it just starts the recovery manager over and over >> again. I changed all files from root to my username with chown and >> chgrp >> but no difference. Anyone have a hint of why or seen similar >> behaviour? >> Yes maybe so but I am on Hardy, not Intrepid From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 11:41:04 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:41:04 +0100 Subject: Strigi and Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jonas Norlander wrote: > Hi > > I wanted to test if strigi was usable in Intrepid but it wasn't (at > least not for me). Strigi and Nepomuk was constant running on more > then 50% cpu on my AMD X2 5600. So for me that's the third release > with an unusable strigi. Is it normal with 50% cpu on a fast computer > even if it's indexing a lot of new files or am i alone with strigi > problems in Intrepid? > > / Jonas > I am still on Hardy and I do not know whether this is your problem. However, depending on your data volume to be indexed, you might probably want to allow for some time to have it indexed. On a way smaller system than yours, I found that after 24h of indexing huge photo and music collections, things calmed down coniderably. /Eberhard From almilis at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 12:04:55 2008 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:04:55 +0700 Subject: USB Disk: not detected problem and not ejected messaga In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810290248v35cc3e15q58cbfe825d34b17e@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600810281802wbd262f0s970eabcdcb1a76e8@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40810290248v35cc3e15q58cbfe825d34b17e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600810290504g3c67b18o782aedd085d280b5@mail.gmail.com> > hi, can you please, after inserting this USB in kubuntu, and you find > it's not working, go to a terminal, and type "dmesg | tail" without > the quotes, and put the output here? Thanks! I will do this next time the USB does not work. -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From almilis at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 12:23:26 2008 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:23:26 +0700 Subject: VMware Player 2.5.0: throwing 'Glib::FileError' In-Reply-To: <36135600810281809m3ae6eeebgc11e5f094761a43e@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600810281809m3ae6eeebgc11e5f094761a43e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600810290523x23e508b1s9eb62c106da49eae@mail.gmail.com> Gee... Google is really fast! But, well no answer :( .... http://www.linux-archive.org/kubuntu-user/183824-vmware-player-2-5-0-throwing-glib-fileerror.html Ali Milis wrote: > I have successfully installed VMware Player on many kubuntus but > one systems! > > When running the player, it will abort with this error message: > "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::FileError'" > > I tried to Google, but could not find any working solution. > Thank you for any clue! -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 12:38:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:38:48 +0200 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/29 Nigel Ridley : > I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK > (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > I have installed Kubuntu Hardy on a 1.4Hz P4 machine with 512MB RAM and it ran well. Memory seemed to be the bottleneck, not CPU. Your case is a bit more extreme, though, and I don't think that you will be able to run OOo or Firefox with many extensions. Try it and let us know how goes it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From francisco.borges at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 13:07:52 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:07:52 +0100 Subject: yakuake session state Message-ID: <20081029130752.GA21387@duo.arnhem.chello.nl> Hello, I use both konsole and yakuake a lot. One feature from konsole that I miss in yakuake is being able to save the session state, so that all my previously opened and named sessions are restored when I restart KDE. Is there any way to get this done? Is this supported in KDE 4? (I still use KDE 3.X) Cheers, -- Francisco Borges From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Oct 29 13:35:17 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:35:17 -0700 Subject: Upgrading packages In-Reply-To: <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200810290635.17782.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 3:08:57 am Neil Winchurst wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic > >> updating of packages, eg Universe. > >> > >> If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that there > >> is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? > > > > Turn on universe in your favorite package manager... > > > > If it's not included in automatic updating, it's only because it's either > > not present or not enabled in sources.list > > Universe is enabled in sources.list. Here is the relevant section from > the file > > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the > > Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy > > yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that > > software in ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the > > Ubuntu security ## team. > > deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe > > deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe > > deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe > > As you can see it says that I will not receive updates. Is there some > way around this please? No, it says you will not receive updates "from the Ubuntu security team". When you DO receive updates they will be from someone else is all. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 13:59:56 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:59:56 +0100 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/29 Nigel Ridley : >> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK >> (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > > I have installed Kubuntu Hardy on a 1.4Hz P4 machine with 512MB RAM > and it ran well. Memory seemed to be the bottleneck, not CPU. Your > case is a bit more extreme, though, and I don't think that you will be > able to run OOo or Firefox with many extensions. Try it and let us > know how goes it. > I do not get that. When RAM is the bottleneck, 768 MB (3x 256) will be 50% better than 512. ;-) And indeed Linux responds far better to more RAM than to more CPU Mhz. I for one would way prefer the 768MB/650Mhz (possibly extended to 4x 256) over a 1.4Ghz, restricted to 512MB. With a 1,4Ghz machine, beefed up to more RAM, this is an entirely different matter. Kind regards Eberhard From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 14:08:44 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:08:44 +0200 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810290708p3775f8b5if892f362d2a3273e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/29 Eberhard Roloff : > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/10/29 Nigel Ridley : >>> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK >>> (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >>> >>> Blessings, >>> >>> Nigel >>> >> >> I have installed Kubuntu Hardy on a 1.4Hz P4 machine with 512MB RAM >> and it ran well. Memory seemed to be the bottleneck, not CPU. Your >> case is a bit more extreme, though, and I don't think that you will be >> able to run OOo or Firefox with many extensions. Try it and let us >> know how goes it. >> > I do not get that. When RAM is the bottleneck, 768 MB (3x 256) will be > 50% better than 512. ;-) > That means that I would have preferred a machine with more RAM and less CPU, like his machine has. > And indeed Linux responds far better to more RAM than to more CPU Mhz. > > I for one would way prefer the 768MB/650Mhz (possibly extended to 4x > 256) over a 1.4Ghz, restricted to 512MB. > > With a 1,4Ghz machine, beefed up to more RAM, this is an entirely > different matter. > In any case, there are other important differences between P3 and P4 besides speed. Take the L-* cache for instance. Measured in kilobytes on the P3. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 14:27:06 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:27:06 +0100 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <880dece00810290708p3775f8b5if892f362d2a3273e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810290708p3775f8b5if892f362d2a3273e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/29 Eberhard Roloff : >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> 2008/10/29 Nigel Ridley : >>>> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK >>>> (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> >>>> Nigel >>>> >>> I have installed Kubuntu Hardy on a 1.4Hz P4 machine with 512MB RAM >>> and it ran well. Memory seemed to be the bottleneck, not CPU. Your >>> case is a bit more extreme, though, and I don't think that you will be >>> able to run OOo or Firefox with many extensions. Try it and let us >>> know how goes it. >>> >> I do not get that. When RAM is the bottleneck, 768 MB (3x 256) will be >> 50% better than 512. ;-) >> > > That means that I would have preferred a machine with more RAM and > less CPU, like his machine has. Fully agreed. > >> And indeed Linux responds far better to more RAM than to more CPU Mhz. >> >> I for one would way prefer the 768MB/650Mhz (possibly extended to 4x >> 256) over a 1.4Ghz, restricted to 512MB. >> >> With a 1,4Ghz machine, beefed up to more RAM, this is an entirely >> different matter. >> > > > In any case, there are other important differences between P3 and P4 > besides speed. Take the L-* cache for instance. Measured in kilobytes > on the P3. > > agreed. But I understood that we are not talking about a sophisticated server, serving data to a huge number of users. I thought that it was a plain old desktop for boring Office work. For this imho the 650 will do ok, given a slim windows manager and a sufficient amount of RAM. regards Eberhard From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 14:40:55 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:40:55 +0200 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810290708p3775f8b5if892f362d2a3273e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00810290740i511807a6k6e20426f72f55cc2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/29 Eberhard Roloff : > agreed. But I understood that we are not talking about a sophisticated > server, serving data to a huge number of users. I thought that it was a > plain old desktop for boring Office work. For this imho the 650 will do > ok, given a slim windows manager and a sufficient amount of RAM. > Abiword or Koffice maybe, but not Open Office. Open Office really does need a modern CPU or else it takes literally minutes to load, and things like spellcheck become almost impossible. It is both CPU and memory intensive. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 15:16:25 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:16:25 +0100 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 11:45:21 schrieb Nigel Ridley: > I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run > Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- Dude it doesn't even properly calc 3x256 :D -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? 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Also, please note that >>> software in ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the >>> Ubuntu security ## team. >>> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe >>> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe >>> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe >>> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe >> As you can see it says that I will not receive updates. Is there some >> way around this please? > > No, it says you will not receive updates "from the Ubuntu security team". > When you DO receive updates they will be from someone else is all. > > As an example ........ I use sylpheed email client which I installed from the repositories. It is version 2.4.5. Looking at the web site I see that the latest stable version is 2.5.0, but I have not seen any update information at all. So my question is, will I ever get updates for such packages and if so how? Neil From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 29 16:02:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:02:27 -0300 Subject: Upgrading packages References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> Message-ID: <1833338.3RmLfiVK41@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >>> I notice that some repositories are not included in the automatic >>> updating of packages, eg Universe. >>> >>> If I am using a package from such a repository and I notice that there >>> is a new version available, what is the best way to upgrade please? >> >> Turn on universe in your favorite package manager... >> >> If it's not included in automatic updating, it's only because it's either >> not present or not enabled in sources.list > > Universe is enabled in sources.list. Here is the relevant section from > the file ... >> Also, please note that >> ## software in universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the >> ## Ubuntu security team. > > As you can see it says that I will not receive updates. Is there some > way around this please? It doesn't say that at all - it says universe will not receive updates FROM THE SECURITY TEAM. Universe is not maintained by Canonical, it's maintained by MOTU (The Masters of the Universe) - basically a LUG :-) They determine when Universe is updated, and they provide any security updates. -- derek From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Wed Oct 29 17:31:54 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:31:54 -0200 Subject: Strigi and Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810291531.54713.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Yep... I use a smaller system and a smalles collection but, from time to time, one of the many instances of nepomukservices that are running on my computer uses 50% of the cpu time for a little while... I guess it's indexing with one core. Any way... I still don't konw how to search. I cant find any strigi client, and the xesam plugin fot krunner only freezes krunner for about a minute when I type... but never finds anything it doesn't find without xesam. El Wednesday 29 October 2008 09:41:04 Eberhard Roloff escribió: > Jonas Norlander wrote: > > Hi > > > > I wanted to test if strigi was usable in Intrepid but it wasn't (at > > least not for me). Strigi and Nepomuk was constant running on more > > then 50% cpu on my AMD X2 5600. So for me that's the third release > > with an unusable strigi. Is it normal with 50% cpu on a fast computer > > even if it's indexing a lot of new files or am i alone with strigi > > problems in Intrepid? > > > > / Jonas > > I am still on Hardy and I do not know whether this is your problem. > > However, depending on your data volume to be indexed, you might probably > want to allow for some time to have it indexed. On a way smaller system > than yours, I found that after 24h of indexing huge photo and music > collections, things calmed down coniderably. > > /Eberhard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:06:06 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:06:06 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <49084A58.8030203@gmail.com> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <49084A58.8030203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810291406.11479.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 7:34:48 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Yes maybe so but I am on Hardy, not Intrepid Contrary to what was reported, there is a ppa for Hardy. Just make your choice from the drop down on this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:18:10 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:10 -0400 Subject: Upgrading packages In-Reply-To: <49088983.8050608@drofle.com> References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <200810290635.17782.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <49088983.8050608@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200810291418.15498.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 12:04:19 pm Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use sylpheed email client which I installed from the repositories. It > is version 2.4.5. Looking at the web site I see that the latest stable > version is 2.5.0, but I have not seen any update information at all. So > my question is, will I ever get updates for such packages and if so how? Maybe, but probably not. Except for the backports repos, the PPAs and some third party repos, package versions are usually frozen for a distro version. Updates that are available are usually security updates and major bug fixes. As an example, take samba which I believe is in main. Current version is 3.0.28a-1ubuntu4.5 for Hardy. It will not see an upgrade to version 4, but may see some security fixes. If you want upgrades like you describe, you will need to (a) find another source, (b) compile from source, or (c) upgrade your distro. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gkourtev at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:45:01 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:45:01 +0200 Subject: Microphone does not work In-Reply-To: References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> <48F9A871.8010409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4908AF2D.1060107@gmail.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > >> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> >>> Georgi Kourtev wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> cat /proc/asound/cards*/codec#* >>>> >>>> >>> sorry, the last command I posted was not correct >>> >>> use this: >>> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec >>> >>> Example from my dell: >>> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* | grep Codec >>> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 >>> >>> >>> this way we'll know which chipset you have inside >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> This is the output from cat: >> >> Codec: Conexant ID 2c06 >> Codec: Generic 1095 SI HDMI >> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9228 >> >> ...and from amixer: >> >> Simple mixer control 'Master',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >> Mono: Playback 123 [97%] [-3.00dB] [on] >> Simple mixer control 'Headphone as Line Out',0 >> Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Mono: Playback [off] >> Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume >> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Playback 0 - 255 >> Mono: >> Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB] >> Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB] >> Simple mixer control 'Front',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch >> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >> Mono: >> Front Left: Playback 121 [95%] [-4.50dB] [on] >> Front Right: Playback 121 [95%] [-4.50dB] [on] >> Simple mixer control 'Surround',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch >> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >> Mono: >> Front Left: Playback 103 [81%] [-18.00dB] [on] >> Front Right: Playback 103 [81%] [-18.00dB] [on] >> Simple mixer control 'Center',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >> Mono: Playback 108 [85%] [-14.25dB] [on] >> Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 >> Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >> Mono: Playback 120 [94%] [-5.25dB] [on] >> Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 >> Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Mono: Playback [on] >> Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 >> Capabilities: cvolume cswitch >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 14 >> Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] >> Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] >> Simple mixer control 'Capture',1 >> Capabilities: cvolume cswitch >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 14 >> Front Left: Capture 14 [100%] [21.00dB] [off] >> Front Right: Capture 14 [100%] [21.00dB] [off] >> Simple mixer control 'Capture',2 >> Capabilities: cvolume cswitch >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 14 >> Front Left: Capture 13 [93%] [19.50dB] [off] >> Front Right: Capture 13 [93%] [19.50dB] [off] >> Simple mixer control 'Analog Loopback',0 >> Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Mono: Playback [on] >> Simple mixer control 'Digital',0 >> Capabilities: cvolume >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 120 >> Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] >> Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] >> Simple mixer control 'Digital Input Source',0 >> Capabilities: enum >> Items: 'Analog Inputs' 'Digital Mic 1' >> Item0: 'Analog Inputs' >> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0 >> Capabilities: cenum >> Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' >> Item0: 'Mic' >> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',1 >> Capabilities: cenum >> Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' >> Item0: 'Mic' >> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',2 >> Capabilities: cenum >> Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' >> Item0: 'Front Mic' >> Simple mixer control 'Mux',0 >> Capabilities: cvolume >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 4 >> Front Left: Capture 3 [75%] [30.00dB] >> Front Right: Capture 3 [75%] [30.00dB] >> Simple mixer control 'Mux',1 >> Capabilities: cvolume >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 4 >> Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] >> Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] >> Simple mixer control 'Mux',2 >> Capabilities: cvolume >> Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right >> Limits: Capture 0 - 4 >> Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] >> Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] >> Simple mixer control 'Swap Center/LFE',0 >> Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined >> Playback channels: Mono >> Mono: Playback [on] >> > > Well, we see here that your capture sources are muted 'off' > > you have to unmute them - did you follow the instructions from the link > posted by Nigel. the screenshots are pretty nice. > > it has to look like this (pay attention to 'on') > > Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 > Capabilities: cvolume cswitch > Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Capture 0 - 15 > Front Left: Capture 2 [13%] [3.00dB] [on] > Front Right: Capture 2 [13%] [3.00dB] [on] > > > Further more from the alsa (advanced linux sound architecture) documentation > i.e. > http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt > > 1015 STAC9227/9228/9229/927x > 1016 ref Reference board > 1017 3stack D965 3stack > 1018 5stack D965 5stack + SPDIF > 1019 dell-3stack Dell Dimension E520 > > you have to pass the module option model to the snd-hda-intel driver > > first check if there is something already configured > > grep -r 'options snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/ > > if there is no model then create a file > kdesudo kedit /etc/modprobe.d/sound-custom > and put this inside > options snd-hda-intel model=ref > or if it does not work one of the other options > > But your problem is definitely due to the muted capture sources > > regards > > > > > It might sound rather stupid, but being new to Linux couldn't get the right command to switch the microphone on. I have tried all options in kmixer unsuccessfully... Can you guide me through? I spent one week trying... Many thanks. gk From locke314 at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:49:12 2008 From: locke314 at gmail.com (locke314) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:49:12 +0400 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4908B028.7090202@gmail.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 11:45:21 schrieb Nigel Ridley: > >> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run >> Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >> hi all! I try to run Xubuntu Intrepid (installed to a HDD, with default settings) with 256 mb ram, but there was celeron 2GHz :) so, I have not noticed any problems :-D From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 19:11:46 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:11:46 +0100 Subject: Microphone does not work References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> <48F9A871.8010409@gmail.com> <4908AF2D.1060107@gmail.com> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > kdesudo kedit /etc/modprobe.d/sound-custom let's try create a file kdesudo kedit /etc/modprobe.d/sound-custom and put this inside options snd-hda-intel model=ref run amixer controls look for Capture Switch and try to run amixer cset iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch' on numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=2 : values=on,on pay attention to the on,on values you have to unmute your input/capture device regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 19:13:29 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:13:29 +0100 Subject: Microphone does not work References: <138167.56412.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48F9938B.9050701@gmail.com> <48F9A871.8010409@gmail.com> <4908AF2D.1060107@gmail.com> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > and put this inside >> options snd-hda-intel model=ref forgot to say you have to reload the module or reboot after editing the file I was talking about in the prevoious mail sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=ref regards From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 29 19:22:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:22:39 -0300 Subject: Upgrading packages References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> <200810290635.17782.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <49088983.8050608@drofle.com> Message-ID: <1933848.45EcgSfdbW@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use sylpheed email client which I installed from the repositories. It > is version 2.4.5. Looking at the web site I see that the latest stable > version is 2.5.0, but I have not seen any update information at all. So > my question is, will I ever get updates for such packages and if so how? And the answer is an uninformative "maybe", and the same way you get updates for anything else... Each Universe package will have its own maintainer, and you're at the mercy of the maintainer whether you ever get security updates. You generally _won't_ get version updates for _any_ packages, not just universe. When security patches are made, the patches are applied to the current release, not the latest version available upstream. The good news in this case is that you can have 2.5.0 next week if you upgrade to Intrepid... -- derek From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Wed Oct 29 19:46:01 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:46:01 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <4908084C.8060101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810291546.02290.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 6:53:34 am Art Alexion wrote: > No problems with the ppa install, but the pdfimport.oxt does not   > install. I downloaded pdfimport.oxt, then searched for other .oxt files in /opt, and copied it there. It seems to work. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= Eschew obfuscation! From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 19:56:42 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:56:42 +0100 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <4908B028.7090202@gmail.com> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <4908B028.7090202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810292056.42875.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 19:49:12 schrieb locke314: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 11:45:21 schrieb Nigel Ridley: > >> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run > >> Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? > > hi all! I try to run Xubuntu Intrepid (installed to a HDD, with default > settings) with 256 mb ram, but there was celeron 2GHz :) so, I have not > noticed any problems :-D Since it's the Kubuntu list I guess he attempts to install KDE on it. Well, what can one say - it will work, but rather sluggish. And I don't mean "depends on how much suffering you can take" sluggish, I mean Really Really Sluggish. I'd go for xfce as well... and not even for a Ubuntu base here, it's not really a performer. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Oct 29 20:01:09 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:01:09 +0200 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4908C105.6060706@prayingforisrael.net> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 11:45:21 schrieb Nigel Ridley: >> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run >> Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> -- > > Dude it doesn't even properly calc 3x256 :D > That was _the obvious mistake_ to see who was paying attention ;-) Actually it was my poor over-tired brain trying to do simple arithmetic in my head - Ok, it should be 768 MB -- how did we manage without calculators?? Blessings, Nigel -- From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 29 21:28:25 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:28:25 +1000 Subject: Yakuake auto hide in Interpid RC? Message-ID: <200810300728.25857.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> When I used Yakuake in Hardy it had autohide, i.e when I switched to another app it roll itself up. However in Intrepid it just stays topmost over everything. Anyone know how I can restore the auto hide behaviour? -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Oct 29 22:34:34 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:34:34 +0000 Subject: Upgrading packages In-Reply-To: <1933848.45EcgSfdbW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4907427E.1080007@drofle.com> <2081655.IT5uouHs6r@cedar.serverforest.com> <49083639.4040609@drofle.com> <200810290635.17782.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <49088983.8050608@drofle.com> <1933848.45EcgSfdbW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4908E4FA.2070709@drofle.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> I use sylpheed email client which I installed from the repositories. It >> is version 2.4.5. Looking at the web site I see that the latest stable >> version is 2.5.0, but I have not seen any update information at all. So >> my question is, will I ever get updates for such packages and if so how? > > And the answer is an uninformative "maybe", and the same way you get updates > for anything else... > > Each Universe package will have its own maintainer, and you're at the mercy > of the maintainer whether you ever get security updates. You generally > _won't_ get version updates for _any_ packages, not just universe. When > security patches are made, the patches are applied to the current release, > not the latest version available upstream. > > The good news in this case is that you can have 2.5.0 next week if you > upgrade to Intrepid... Thanks for all the info. And I will not be upgrading to Intrepid. I still use Gutsy, though I may add Hardy as a dual boot soon. But not with KDE4. Neil From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 22:58:59 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:58:59 +0000 Subject: [OT - Ping Derek] - Re: 8.10b - first impression =?iso-8859-1?q?and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200810292258.59970.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 15:12:33 Thorny wrote: > It's not in my authority to tell you what to do Derek, but as I'm not > going to be here for a while, will you consider monitoring the thread > where Lisi is trying to manually configure ethernet interface? Perhaps > make sure that bad advice isn't given or taken. Now that I've mentioned > this in public, no doubt there will be lots of knowledgeable and helpful > people, that would be great, and peer review will help to solve the > problem. Don't anyone be hurt that I picked on Derek for this, I just > noticed that he was up (it's after 10 am in NS) and active and I've read > enough of his posts to know he's up to the task. Naturally, it's possible > he doesn't have the time and that's fine too. I do hope you've had the > time to vote Derek, I'm off to do that now. The chap who was going to set this up for me has got nowhere, and I am getting desperate for this. My granddaughter needs this for school and we are already half way through the term (trimester). I am trying very hard to get the chap who has it to give it back to me. Would those of you kind souls who were willing to see this through to the end before be prepared to do so now? If I am trying at a task which someone more experienced than I has failed in, then I shall need a lot of help; I know I don't deserve it, but I do need it. Thanks, Lisi From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Wed Oct 29 22:58:56 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:58:56 -0400 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <4908EAB0.2060802@ajinfosearch.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run Intrepid Ibex OK >> (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > sure! > > xubuntu, obenbox, fluxbox, icewm... ? > > regards > Eberhard > > I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 on an old IBM ThinkPad A30 laptop. It's something like 900Mhz and has 512Mb ram. Things take some time to start up, but everything works fine after that. Used for email, music, watching movies, flash plays fine in firefox or kaffeine, some OO stuff (haven't noticed spell check dogging). Alan -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Oct 29 23:12:32 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:12:32 -0400 Subject: [OT - Ping Derek] - Re: 8.10b - first impression =?iso-8859-1?q?and=09questions?= In-Reply-To: <200810292258.59970.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810292258.59970.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810291912.32646.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 29 October 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am trying very hard to get the chap who has it to give it back to me. >  Would those of you kind souls who were willing to see this through to the > end before be prepared to do so now?  If I am trying at a task which > someone more experienced than I has failed in, then I shall need a lot of > help; I know I don't deserve it, but I do need it. I hear your plea...... I haven't been following this thread so could you fill in the basics of the problem? Your hardware (wireless, hard-wired, etc) Hardy? Laptop? Your network setup... router? DSL? How do you (expect to) connect to the I-net? Anything that can be of help... From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 00:07:06 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:07:06 +1000 Subject: KDE 4 - Konquorer inline spell check Message-ID: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Is there any reason why konquorer highlights misspelled words in edit fields but doesn't offer a right click menu of suggestions? KMail manages it just fine. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 00:12:02 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:12:02 +0200 Subject: KDE 4 - Konquorer inline spell check In-Reply-To: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <15edeae40810291712o7644c6afn55df8844948cf0e5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/30 Lindsay Mathieson : > Is there any reason why konquorer highlights misspelled words in edit fields > but doesn't offer a right click menu of suggestions? KMail manages it just fine. > -- > Lindsay > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album > > lmao, never noticed that, but noticed it in kopete :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 00:17:34 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:17:34 +1000 Subject: KDE 4 - Konquorer inline spell check In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810291712o7644c6afn55df8844948cf0e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <15edeae40810291712o7644c6afn55df8844948cf0e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810301017.34302.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:02 am Willy Hamra wrote: > lmao, never noticed that, but noticed it in kopete :P Yah, don't use kopete much but just checked - no right click suggestions on mine either :( I'm under the impression that kmail just uses the konquorer kpart for editing so it should be possible for konquorer to do it ... -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 30 00:20:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:20:54 -0300 Subject: [OT - Ping Derek] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810292258.59970.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1538921.UWddRFiqCk@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > The chap who was going to set this up for me has got nowhere, and I am > getting > desperate for this. My granddaughter needs this for school and we are > already half way through the term (trimester). Er, I'm afraid I was only participating in a silly discussion about tools... I haven't a clue what the problem was (going back in this thread didn't help). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 30 00:29:56 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:29:56 -0300 Subject: [OT - Ping Derek] - Re: 8.10b - first impression and questions References: <2812946.KqPf9xSjEc@cedar.serverforest.com> <2346088.oILPuTzQq2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200810292258.59970.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361215.EBekZe0di0@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > The chap who was going to set this up for me has got nowhere, and I am > getting > desperate for this. My granddaughter needs this for school and we are > already half way through the term (trimester). I guess we must be talking about _this_ thread: http://groups.google.com/group/kubuntu-users-archive/msg/5d81b5b6ffdf7306 and another called "internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy" (odd that I can get a handy link to google if the post's expired off my news server, but not if I still have it!) So you have Network Manager uninstalled, and you're relying on /etc/network/interfaces. What do you get from: # route -n # ifconfig and what's in /etc/network/interfaces? -- derek From joelol75 at verizon.net Thu Oct 30 01:04:52 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:04:52 -0400 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <880dece00810290740i511807a6k6e20426f72f55cc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <880dece00810290538u4d2fb281k644e1265f307d929@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810290708p3775f8b5if892f362d2a3273e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00810290740i511807a6k6e20426f72f55cc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49090834.5040704@verizon.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/10/29 Eberhard Roloff : > >> agreed. But I understood that we are not talking about a sophisticated >> server, serving data to a huge number of users. I thought that it was a >> plain old desktop for boring Office work. For this imho the 650 will do >> ok, given a slim windows manager and a sufficient amount of RAM. >> >> > > Abiword or Koffice maybe, but not Open Office. Open Office really does > need a modern CPU or else it takes literally minutes to load, and > things like spellcheck become almost impossible. It is both CPU and > memory intensive. > > I'm using Hardy on a slow dell latitude PIII 500MHz computer with 512M RAM. It is slow, but usable... Especially after ditching Gnome and KDE and going with xubuntu-desktop (xfce) It runs OO pretty decent... Except for long delays with Impress with picture slideshows, but even a P4 takes a long to load these... For even more speed and less RAM requirement, try Fluxbox. Linux Mint (A Ubuntu derivative) even has a fluxbox edition for slow (or fast) computers. Fluxbox runs much faster than xfce even... http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_elyssa_fluxbox.php I'm more of an Ubuntu person, so you could just apt get fluxbox... But knowing how slow these computers are, Ubuntu needs more "restricted" drivers and software installed while Linux Mint is more ready otb. Searching though Synaptic for all the software and installing it takes HOURS on my slow P3 with its lowly 2300 RPM drive so the less I have to fuss with the better... From lydia at kde.org Thu Oct 30 01:06:04 2008 From: lydia at kde.org (Lydia Pintscher) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:06:04 +0100 Subject: KDE 4 - Konquorer inline spell check In-Reply-To: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <938b46780810291806w106bc54bob1410c08d078e8ee@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Is there any reason why konquorer highlights misspelled words in edit fields > but doesn't offer a right click menu of suggestions? KMail manages it just fine. This will be changed in KDE 4.2. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher Amarok community manager kde.org - amarok.kde.org - kubuntu.org claimid.com/nightrose From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 01:33:10 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:33:10 +1000 Subject: KDE 4 - Konquorer inline spell check In-Reply-To: <938b46780810291806w106bc54bob1410c08d078e8ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810301007.07061.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <938b46780810291806w106bc54bob1410c08d078e8ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810301133.10578.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:06:04 am Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Lindsay Mathieson > > wrote: > > Is there any reason why konquorer highlights misspelled words in edit > > fields but doesn't offer a right click menu of suggestions? KMail manages > > it just fine. > > This will be changed in KDE 4.2. Brilliant! 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In-Reply-To: <200810292056.42875.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <4908B028.7090202@gmail.com> <200810292056.42875.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4909506A.4010602@prayingforisrael.net> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 19:49:12 schrieb locke314: >> Dexter Filmore wrote: >>> Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 11:45:21 schrieb Nigel Ridley: >>>> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run >>>> Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >> hi all! I try to run Xubuntu Intrepid (installed to a HDD, with default >> settings) with 256 mb ram, but there was celeron 2GHz :) so, I have not >> noticed any problems :-D > > Since it's the Kubuntu list I guess he attempts to install KDE on it. > Well, what can one say - it will work, but rather sluggish. > And I don't mean "depends on how much suffering you can take" sluggish, I mean > Really Really Sluggish. > I'd go for xfce as well... and not even for a Ubuntu base here, it's not > really a performer. > > Actually I already have Hardy on it and it's not that sluggish. I think though that I will do a fresh install of Xubuntu and see how it goes. Blessings, Nigel -- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 06:48:50 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:48:50 +0200 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches Message-ID: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> Kubuntu 8.04.1, KDE 3.5.10, Amarok 1.4.9.1 Every time I try to listen to a Shoutcast or cool-stream radio live the same thing happens: it retrieves the playlist it buffers it starts playing after a minute or more it stops and the "sound indicator" at the bottom of the Amarok window just "flickers" constantly. I am on a fairly slow connection but listening via various webplayers works much better. Anyone have any idea of what I could try to sort this out? Sinclair From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 06:54:24 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:54:24 +0100 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches In-Reply-To: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:48 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Kubuntu 8.04.1, KDE 3.5.10, Amarok 1.4.9.1 > > Every time I try to listen to a Shoutcast or cool-stream radio live the > same thing happens: > it retrieves the playlist > it buffers > it starts playing > after a minute or more it stops and the "sound indicator" at the bottom > of the Amarok window just "flickers" constantly. > > I am on a fairly slow connection but listening via various webplayers > works much better. Anyone have any idea of what I could try to sort this > out? > > Sinclair I don't know the answer but I have been having problems with Amarok and those broadcasts too. I have also noticed that there have been a lot of Amarok updates lately and that the playing is getting better. For a long time if I changed channels, I needed to play a normal file first between them to get the new station to work. That seems to be fixed now but I am not 100% sure of that yet. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 06:55:28 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:55:28 +0200 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches In-Reply-To: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49095A60.3080205@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Kubuntu 8.04.1, KDE 3.5.10, Amarok 1.4.9.1 > > Every time I try to listen to a Shoutcast or cool-stream radio live the > same thing happens: > it retrieves the playlist > it buffers > it starts playing > after a minute or more it stops and the "sound indicator" at the bottom > of the Amarok window just "flickers" constantly. > > I am on a fairly slow connection but listening via various webplayers > works much better. Anyone have any idea of what I could try to sort this > out? > > Sinclair > I should add that Last.FM is the same, even though I can listen perfectly via the website From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 07:09:23 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:09:23 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <200810291406.11479.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <49084A58.8030203@gmail.com> <200810291406.11479.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49095DA3.1050800@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 29 October 2008 7:34:48 am O. Sinclair wrote: >> Yes maybe so but I am on Hardy, not Intrepid > > Contrary to what was reported, there is a ppa for Hardy. Just make your > choice from the drop down on this page: > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive > Well, the page clearly states "Intrepid only" and trying it with "hardy" instead of "intrepid" gives no result whatsoever for me. Sinclair From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Oct 30 07:35:13 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:35:13 +0100 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <4908C105.6060706@prayingforisrael.net> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <200810291616.25342.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <4908C105.6060706@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: Nigel Ridley wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: >> Am Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 11:45:21 schrieb Nigel Ridley: >>> I've got this oldish PIII 650Mhz with 678 MB ram (3x256) -- will it run >>> Intrepid Ibex OK (obviously without all the 'Desktop Effects')? >>> >>> Blessings, >>> >>> Nigel >>> >>> -- >> Dude it doesn't even properly calc 3x256 :D >> > > That was _the obvious mistake_ to see who was paying attention ;-) > Actually it was my poor over-tired brain trying to do simple arithmetic in my head - Ok, it > should be 768 MB -- how did we manage without calculators?? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > Hi Nigel, an other goody to have a PIII: PIIIs are running extremely low on temperature, especially when compared to PIV machines or the more recent quadcore/Nvidia/ATI gaming mosters. If your 650 Mhz PIII will be a desktop (i.e. not a laptop), you will see how redicoulously easy it is in regard to cooling. Fwiw, I recently had a PIII 1Ghz and just added a PSU with a 120mm fan and adapted another 120 mm fan to cool cpu and surroundings. In fact, it is now running almost inaudible. And this really is fun! ;-)) Kind regards Eberhard From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 08:15:26 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:15:26 +0200 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches In-Reply-To: References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:48 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Kubuntu 8.04.1, KDE 3.5.10, Amarok 1.4.9.1 >> >> Every time I try to listen to a Shoutcast or cool-stream radio live the >> same thing happens: >> it retrieves the playlist >> it buffers >> it starts playing >> after a minute or more it stops and the "sound indicator" at the bottom >> of the Amarok window just "flickers" constantly. >> >> I am on a fairly slow connection but listening via various webplayers >> works much better. Anyone have any idea of what I could try to sort this >> out? >> >> Sinclair > > I don't know the answer but I have been having problems with Amarok > and those broadcasts too. I have also noticed that there have been a > lot of Amarok updates lately and that the playing is getting better. > For a long time if I changed channels, I needed to play a normal file > first between them to get the new station to work. That seems to be > fixed now but I am not 100% sure of that yet. Hm - that seems to improve things a bit. If I use LastFM I can actually get thru a couple of songs but then it gets stuck. I then play a "disk-song" and then reconnects and it works for some time again. Only Last.FM though, Shoutcast etc. still unusable From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 08:17:02 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:02 +1000 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 Message-ID: <200810301817.02685.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:09:23 pm O. Sinclair wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 October 2008 7:34:48 am O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Yes maybe so but I am on Hardy, not Intrepid > > > > Contrary to what was reported, there is a ppa for Hardy. Just make your > > choice from the drop down on this page: > > > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive > > Well, the page clearly states "Intrepid only" and trying it with "hardy" > instead of "intrepid" gives no result whatsoever for me. ? The hardy drop down gives the following: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu hardy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu hardy main And following the link does reveal hardy packages. > > Sinclair -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 08:51:53 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:51:53 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <200810301817.02685.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810301817.02685.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <490975A9.2000506@gmail.com> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:09:23 pm O. Sinclair wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >>> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 7:34:48 am O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Yes maybe so but I am on Hardy, not Intrepid >>> Contrary to what was reported, there is a ppa for Hardy. Just make your >>> choice from the drop down on this page: >>> >>> https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive >> Well, the page clearly states "Intrepid only" and trying it with "hardy" >> instead of "intrepid" gives no result whatsoever for me. > > ? The hardy drop down gives the following: > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu hardy main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu hardy main > > And following the link does reveal hardy packages. All I find are empty directories. From locke314 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 09:24:29 2008 From: locke314 at gmail.com (locke314) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:24:29 +0400 Subject: Ibex on a PIII? In-Reply-To: <4908EAB0.2060802@ajinfosearch.com> References: <49083EC1.1070601@prayingforisrael.net> <4908EAB0.2060802@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <49097D4D.3020803@gmail.com> Alan Dacey пишет: > I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 on an old IBM ThinkPad A30 laptop. It's something like > 900Mhz and has 512Mb ram. Things take some time to start up, but everything > works fine after that. Used for email, music, watching movies, flash plays fine > in firefox or kaffeine, some OO stuff (haven't noticed spell check dogging). > > Alan > > Ok. I'm running Kubuntu hardy KDE4 64-bit on an workstation with AMD phenom 9950BE (4 cores, 2,6GHz), 8Gb RAM; radeon 3200 (256 mb). The same story: > Things take some time to start up... --slower than vista. WHY? From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 30 14:37:36 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:37:36 +0200 Subject: Ibex is here! Message-ID: <4909C6B0.5060203@prayingforisrael.net> Just started to download now :-) Blessings, Nigel -- From jriddell at ubuntu.com Thu Oct 30 14:40:42 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:40:42 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released Message-ID: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> Kubuntu 8.10 is out and available now. This intrepid release lives up to its codename and features the cutting edge KDE 4 desktop. If you are unsure if you are ready for KDE 4 do try it from a live CD. If you would rather stay with what you know, 8.04 is still fully supported and there will be no automatic upgrade prompting. The website is a bit overloaded as is usual for release day but you can grab the torrents from here http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/torrents/ seeders needed. Or upgrade following these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu Do glance over the announcement, including the known problems at the bottom. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release If you'd rather download directly the first mirrors have updated http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/ http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/ You can leave feedback here which goes straight into my inbox https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback More help always needed of course https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu Hope you enjoy it! Jonathan and your Kubuntu Team From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 30 14:58:07 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:58:07 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released In-Reply-To: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <4909CB7F.20704@prayingforisrael.net> Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Kubuntu 8.10 is out and available now. > > This intrepid release lives up to its codename and features the > cutting edge KDE 4 desktop. If you are unsure if you are ready for > KDE 4 do try it from a live CD. If you would rather stay with what you > know, 8.04 is still fully supported and there will be no automatic > upgrade prompting. > > The website is a bit overloaded as is usual for release day but you > can grab the torrents from here > http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/torrents/ > seeders needed. > > Or upgrade following these instructions > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu > > Do glance over the announcement, including the known problems at the > bottom. > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release > > If you'd rather download directly the first mirrors have updated > http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/ > http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/ > > You can leave feedback here which goes straight into my inbox > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback > > More help always needed of course > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu > > Hope you enjoy it! > > Jonathan and your Kubuntu Team > Hi Jonathan, Where are the md5sums located? Blessings, Nigel -- From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 15:18:06 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:18:06 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released In-Reply-To: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: Dear Jonathan, dear Everybody. Thanks for all your efforts so far. Just one practical question for this moment. About 2 weeks ago, I installed a beta version of Kubuntu 8.10 'from scratch', at a separate partition. Is this beta version automatically being changed into the official release via the adept updates I install regularly? I finish this message with a short general evaluation. Most of the software I have been using so far via 'Ibex' works sufficiently well, quick and smoothly. The screen looks lovely. The new version of Adept works very well. So far, I have identified 3 major points of attention: * some minor difficulties with the 'widget' panel and the desktop screen; * difficulties to adept the 'compose key' settings via REGIONAL/ LANGUAGE > xkb settings. * difficulties to get sound. I will get back to each of these issues in separate messages. Respectfully Yours, Bas Roufs. -- =============== Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht M. +31.6.446.835.10 T. +31.30.785.20.40 BasRoufs at gmail.com =============== From TonySivori at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 15:50:32 2008 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:50:32 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> <4909CB7F.20704@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:58:07 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > Where are the md5sums located? Kubuntu 8.10 MD5 sums here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10/MD5SUMS 4dc5bad5ee18648cd9dfbb87d86880b5 *kubuntu-8.10-alternate-amd64.iso 04a2c5c8f394175e6d6579e626995c7a *kubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso b054fd985294c80dcd6400fede533c72 *kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso 824de6bea59d41637a41f17c00d33f7d *kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso 82c02dc7386dfb6858a9ec09a5059e1e *kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso Ubuntu 8.10 MD5 sums here: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ ea6d44667ea3fd435954d6e1f0e89122 *ubuntu-8.10-alternate-amd64.iso f9e0494e91abb2de4929ef6e957f7753 *ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso f9cdb7e9ad85263dde17f8fc81a6305b *ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso 24ea1163ea6c9f5dae77de8c49ee7c03 *ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso e3028a105a083339be8e5af5afbe7444 *ubuntu-8.10-server-amd64.iso a2ec9975a91e1228c8292ed9799dc302 *ubuntu-8.10-server-i386.iso 2796c696ab368415a30fddc8278e08b0 *wubi.exe -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. From slewin at bmts.com Thu Oct 30 16:19:17 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:19:17 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released In-Reply-To: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <4909DE85.1060800@bmts.com> Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Kubuntu 8.10 is out and available now. The torrents for both alternate CD's seem to be missing as I got a not found error. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10 From slewin at bmts.com Thu Oct 30 16:35:56 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:35:56 -0400 Subject: Does Kwallet work in 8.10 Final? Message-ID: <4909E26C.8070005@bmts.com> Hi, I have been using the Beta version for about a couple weeks now and the one thing that annoys me the most is that kwallet does not work. I was just wondering if anyone can tell me if it works on a fresh final install? -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10 From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 16:44:54 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:44:54 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 3.0.0 In-Reply-To: <49095DA3.1050800@gmail.com> References: <49055FEF.5090008@prayingforisrael.net> <200810291406.11479.art.alexion@gmail.com> <49095DA3.1050800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810301245.01906.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Thursday 30 October 2008 3:09:23 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 October 2008 7:34:48 am O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Yes maybe so but I am on Hardy, not Intrepid > > > > Contrary to what was reported, there is a ppa for Hardy.  Just make your > > choice from the drop down on this page: > > > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive > > Well, the page clearly states "Intrepid only" and trying it with "hardy" > instead of "intrepid" gives no result whatsoever for me. Indeed, the page is a bit self-contradicting. It says Intrepid-only, but the drop-down includes hardy, and does present what appear to be hardy repos. I did not try it on my Kubunut Hardy box, only my Ubuntu Intrepid box, so I don't know if the hardy repo works. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From almilis at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 17:29:24 2008 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:29:24 +0700 Subject: USB Disk: not detected problem and not ejected messaga In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810290248v35cc3e15q58cbfe825d34b17e@mail.gmail.com> References: <36135600810281802wbd262f0s970eabcdcb1a76e8@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40810290248v35cc3e15q58cbfe825d34b17e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600810301029x2e8311b7xa9d02def6c551257@mail.gmail.com> > hi, can you please, after inserting this USB in kubuntu, and you find > it's not working, go to a terminal, and type "dmesg | tail" without > the quotes, and put the output here? It seems that it stops after /dev/sdb1 attachment(?) ================================================== [ 115.301687] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 [ 115.516818] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 115.727639] usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual [ 115.769476] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [ 115.789435] scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [ 115.791462] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [ 115.791474] USB Mass Storage support registered. [ 115.792313] usb-storage: device found at 2 [ 115.792321] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [ 120.788126] usb-storage: device scan complete [ 120.795114] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access Ut165 USB2FlashStorage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 120.816113] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 15155200 512-byte hardware sectors (7759 MB) [ 120.823080] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 120.823090] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00 [ 120.823094] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 120.849056] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 15155200 512-byte hardware sectors (7759 MB) [ 120.856062] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 120.856072] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00 [ 120.856077] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 120.856089] sdb: sdb1 [ 120.927207] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 120.927280] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 =================================================== Thank you -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 30 17:36:00 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:36:00 +0200 Subject: Problem burning ISO Message-ID: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the original. How come? I've never had this happen before. Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a coaster. As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? Blessings, Nigel -- From miron.florea at web.de Thu Oct 30 17:36:23 2008 From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:36:23 +0200 Subject: Yakuake auto hide in Interpid RC? In-Reply-To: <200810300728.25857.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200810300728.25857.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4909F097.20104@web.de> In Settings (the middle, arrow-down button) uncheck Keep window open after losing focus. From hvontres at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 17:47:19 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:47:19 -0700 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check > the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the > original. > > How come? I've never had this happen before. > > Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a > coaster. > As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Nigjel, I think this may be an issue with the latest k3b in hardy. I had the same problem burning a replacement 8.04 disk recently, yet the disk seems to be working. Unfortunately I can't check it right now as my poor laptop went to HP for repairs and had to be "revirginized" first. I just hope my backups work.... -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 18:15:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:15:22 +0200 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40810301115y5d0a3fb3i867f28890cca6c23@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/30 Nigel Ridley : > I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check > the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the > original. > > How come? I've never had this happen before. > > Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a > coaster. > As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? > Nigel, it's either, as someone else pointed, a problem with k3b, i'm not so sure about this, i never used k3b's checking capability, or it's a matter of either bad CD, or bad burner. but i wouldn't rely on that to rule out a corruption. CDs are very sensitive, and checksums become wrong if one single bytes is not read correctly. and so far, no linux CD has ever succeeded in their self checks, they always end up telling me i have a bad media disk. and none of them failed to install :S -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 30 18:30:12 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:30:12 -0400 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <4909FD34.9020208@sbcglobal.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check > the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the > original. > > How come? I've never had this happen before. > > Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a > coaster. > As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > What size is the ISO ?, I have had this problem on burning a ISO, a ISO that around 680, 690MB and trying to burn it on a CD which is 700MB, I had to do the burn on a DVD to correct the problem. And in k3b be sure you tell it to burn a DVD.ISO, In /Tools/Burn DVD ISO image selection. From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Thu Oct 30 19:35:59 2008 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:35:59 +0000 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nigel Ridley > wrote: >> I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check >> the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the >> original. >> >> How come? I've never had this happen before. >> >> Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a >> coaster. >> As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> -- >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > Nigjel, I think this may be an issue with the latest k3b in hardy. I > had the same problem burning a replacement 8.04 disk recently, yet the > disk seems to be working. Unfortunately I can't check it right now as > my poor laptop went to HP for repairs and had to be "revirginized" > first. I just hope my backups work.... I am sure it is a k3b/hardy problem. I have got k3b post burn checks as all fails and I checked each one separately using md5sum and they are all ok. I guess it is realated to the k3b telling the burner drive to eject and hen reload, not sure, but anyway, the burns are ok, just the self check is a problem. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Oct 30 19:49:36 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:49:36 +0200 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <490A0FD0.5060905@prayingforisrael.net> alan c wrote: > Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nigel Ridley >> wrote: >>> I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check >>> the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the >>> original. >>> >>> How come? I've never had this happen before. >>> >>> Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a >>> coaster. >>> As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? >>> >>> Blessings, >>> >>> Nigel >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> >> Nigjel, I think this may be an issue with the latest k3b in hardy. I >> had the same problem burning a replacement 8.04 disk recently, yet the >> disk seems to be working. Unfortunately I can't check it right now as >> my poor laptop went to HP for repairs and had to be "revirginized" >> first. I just hope my backups work.... > > I am sure it is a k3b/hardy problem. I have got k3b post burn checks > as all fails and I checked each one separately using md5sum and they > are all ok. I guess it is realated to the k3b telling the burner drive > to eject and hen reload, not sure, but anyway, the burns are ok, just > the self check is a problem. Actually it's not the k3b post burn checks - I then took the CD to the box to do the install and it failed on a specific file. I then restarted the process but choose the 'Check Cd' (or something like that) - the option beneath 'Install' (this is the alternate CD). Anyway, the self check got about half way through a complained about a corrupted file - another coaster! I shall wait until the weekend and try again. Blessings, Nigel -- From k7qo at commspeed.net Thu Oct 30 19:50:17 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:50:17 -0700 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <200810301250.18021.k7qo@commspeed.net> On Thursday 30 October 2008 12:35:59 alan c wrote: > Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nigel Ridley > > > > wrote: > >> I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the > >> md5sum). I got K3B to check the integrity of the burn and it came up > >> with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the original. > >> > >> How come? I've never had this happen before. > >> Gang, The problem is not with K3B. The original image is an ISO. The created disc is NOT an ISO, it is a bootable disc. So, any comparison to the original with the created will fail. Guaranteed. I found this out long ago and thought every one knew. Take the created disc and put it into a system and boot from it. Then run the disc check from the bootup menu of items. FYI chuck From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 19:53:27 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:53:27 +1000 Subject: Yakuake auto hide in Interpid RC? In-Reply-To: <4909F097.20104@web.de> References: <200810300728.25857.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <4909F097.20104@web.de> Message-ID: <200810310553.27810.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:36:23 am Octavian Florea wrote: > In Settings (the middle, arrow-down button) uncheck Keep window open > after losing focus. Thanks -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From k7qo at commspeed.net Thu Oct 30 20:08:15 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:08:15 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10, bittorrent and K3B Message-ID: <200810301308.15466.k7qo@commspeed.net> I just took the 8.10 ISO that I got via bittorrent a few hours ago and burned it to disc using K3B. All this on a kubuntu 8.04.1 AMD 64 system. The cd/dvd burner is an LG dual-layer drive. This drive has never failed me yet on any burn. I took the new disc and took it to another AMD 64 system and ran the integrity check on it and it did pass with flying colors. So the distro that is currently being sent out via bittorrent does pass the check. FYI chuck From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 20:11:40 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:11:40 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released - RC Upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200810310611.40271.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:40:42 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Kubuntu 8.10 is out and available now. Brilliant, thanks Jonathan! Is a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" all that's needed for the 8.10 RC to upgrade? -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu Thu Oct 30 20:29:22 2008 From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:29:22 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released - RC Upgrade? In-Reply-To: <200810310611.40271.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> <200810310611.40271.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200810301529.25463.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> On Thursday October 30 2008 03:11:40 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:40:42 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Kubuntu 8.10 is out and available now. > > Brilliant, thanks Jonathan! > > Is a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" all that's needed for the 8.10 RC to > upgrade? > > -- > Lindsay > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album Yeah, but right now it's slow slow slow and I think the keyserver must be down because I'm getting public key errors on main. Give it a day or two, let the servers stop smoking. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 20:50:07 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:50:07 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 Released - RC Upgrade? In-Reply-To: <200810301529.25463.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> References: <20081030144042.GC26237@muse.19inch.net> <200810310611.40271.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <200810301529.25463.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200810310650.07979.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:29:22 am p.daniels wrote: > > Yeah, Thanks > but right now it's slow slow slow and I think the keyserver must be > down because I'm getting public key errors on main. Give it a day or two, > let the servers stop smoking. Heh :) > > -p. -- Lindsay http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From deloptes at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 21:43:27 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:43:27 +0100 Subject: Problem burning ISO References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <4909FD34.9020208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Jim wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the >> md5sum). I got K3B to check the integrity of the burn and it came up with >> an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the original. >> >> How come? I've never had this happen before. >> >> Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning >> another copy but it too is a coaster. >> As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? >> Will it make any difference? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> > What size is the ISO ?, I have had this problem on burning a ISO, a ISO > that around 680, 690MB and trying to burn it on a CD which is 700MB, I > had to do the burn on a DVD to correct the problem. > And in k3b be sure you tell it to burn a DVD.ISO, In /Tools/Burn DVD > ISO image selection. guys, what kind of stories are you telling here?! I got scared! Unfortunately I always check after burn and did never had a problem like the described above, except a CD/DVD was really bad. The only thing that is a problem is the eject option activated on some specific hardware. Also it doesn't matter if cd or dvd is bootable or not compare it to an image should work md5sum /dev/cdrom md5sum image.iso would work quite the same regards From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 21:59:49 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:29:49 +0530 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions Message-ID: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? I believe only the corresponding parts will get upgraded, like kde-4.x --> kde-4.y,...and so on. Why exactly is 'kubuntu-desktop' essential for a proper upgrade? Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From akamad+linux at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 22:04:24 2008 From: akamad+linux at gmail.com (Ranmadhu Wijayatilaka) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:04:24 +1100 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <490A2F68.7040503@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check > the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the > original. > > Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a > coaster. > As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? > It might be worth trying to burn on a slower speed. I've had similar issues in the past and I've found that if I set the speed to as low as possible, it works. Ranmadhu From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 22:05:16 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:05:16 -0600 Subject: Adding widgets from Internet Message-ID: <256f4e900810301505g14f84df9gc6ffac69006ad69@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure there will be a bzillion questions appearing here as a bunch of us now try KDE4 for the first time and can't find answers to questions using google. So here's one from me. When I try to add a widget and say "Download from Internet", the only widget that appears is "Scripted Image". But when I click the little question mark to show me the contents of kde-look.org, there are a ton of neat-looking widgets. Why don't I seem to be able to install them directly from the Internet? (And what's different about "Scripted Image" so that it does look like it's downloadable -- even though I don't want that one.) From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 22:41:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:41:49 +0200 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <880dece00810301541g37d3a912iafe57cecd859bbb3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/30 Nigel Ridley : > I just burnt a copy of the latest Ibex 8.10 (after first checking the md5sum). I got K3B to check > the integrity of the burn and it came up with an error -- that the burnt image doesn't match the > original. > > How come? I've never had this happen before. > > Any pointers on how to overcome this problem? I tried twice burning another copy but it too is a > coaster. > As I said the md5sum is OK -- should I try downloading the ISO again? Will it make any difference? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > If the md5sum is fine then you do not need to download again. Can you try a different media company? I usually have better luck with the no-name CDs than with Sony or other brand name media. They may not last as long, but they burn better. If you need it and can wait, I can mail you a disk tomorrow. Send me your address and I'll get it out first thing in the morning (assuming that this download ever completes). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Oct 30 23:42:57 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:42:57 -0800 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490A4681.9050307@dmiyu.org> Mani A wrote: > I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a > upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? Most likely. > I believe only the corresponding parts will get upgraded, like kde-4.x > --> kde-4.y,...and so on. > Why exactly is 'kubuntu-desktop' essential for a proper upgrade? Because that is KUbuntu. From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Oct 30 23:58:09 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:58:09 -0800 Subject: kde 3 vs 4 distrowatch In-Reply-To: <200810281344.56163.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <4907572E.5020105@gmail.com> <200810281344.56163.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <490A4A11.6090509@dmiyu.org> Pastor JW wrote: > You can make the menu system useful which makes it a little better > but the rest is still not what I'd choose for a working machine. Have you tried erm, Google time! Dunnunnunnun dunnun dunnun Google time! There it is, Lancelot? http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main It is available as plasmoid-lancelot in 8.04 at least. Not sure of 8.10. From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 23:01:16 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:01:16 -0600 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid Message-ID: <256f4e900810301601u57eb5b85ue12b6d4b4896f3e0@mail.gmail.com> I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't understand adept at all :-( What am I doing wrong?... I tried to install tmpreaper by: 1. opening adept 2. typing "tmpreaper" in the search bar in "Browse" mode It said that there were no hits. I thought at first that this meant that tmpreaper was no longer available. But if I try to add it from the command line, apt-get finds it, downloads it and installs it just fine. So how am I supposed to search for packages using adept? From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 23:10:47 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:10:47 -0400 Subject: Temporary solution a problem configuring "at" in Intrepid In-Reply-To: <490A4A11.6090509@dmiyu.org> References: <200810281344.56163.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <490A4A11.6090509@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200810301910.48038.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, I posted this as a bug, but though I should post my temporary solution here: I was having a problem from the latest upgrade to Intrepid because adept couldn't configure at, ubuntu-standard, or the lsb-* packages. It kept reporting: dpkg: error processing at (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Well, following an old bug, I looked at /var/spool/cron: ls -l /var/spool/cron total 3 drwxrwx--T 2 bin bin 1024 2007-06-21 10:10 atjobs drwxrwx--T 2 daemon daemon 1024 2008-07-10 11:01 atspool drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 1024 2008-10-17 23:28 crontabs Notice that atjobs has owner as bin/bin. I changed this to daemon:daemon: sudo chown daemon:daemon /var/spool/cron/atjobs Then I was able to configure at, ubuntu-standard and lsb-core: $sudo dpkg --configure at Setting up at (3.1.10.1ubuntu3) ... * Starting deferred execution scheduler atd [ OK ] $ sudo dpkg --configure ubuntu-standard Setting up ubuntu-standard (1.124) ... $ sudo dpkg --configure lsb-core Setting up lsb-core (3.2-14ubuntu2) ... $ sudo dpkg --configure lsb-graphics Setting up lsb-graphics (3.2-14ubuntu2) ... I still don't know what change the ownership on /var/spool/cron/atjobs, but the temporary chown seems to work for now. Here are the bug reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/286172 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/279395 Glenn From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 23:25:39 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:25:39 +0000 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <200810301250.18021.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> <200810301250.18021.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <200810302325.40017.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 30 October 2008 19:50:17 chuck adams wrote: > The problem is not with K3B.  The original image is an ISO. > The created disc is NOT an ISO, it is a bootable disc.  So, > any comparison to the original with the created will fail. > Guaranteed. I have only ever had it fail on ISO burns when it was indeed corrupted. So almost never. .exe files and tarballs are a different story - but they don't fail, they just sometimes hang and the check itself fails. Lisi From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 23:33:03 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:03:03 +0530 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <490A4681.9050307@dmiyu.org> References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> <490A4681.9050307@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <78323d480810301633y4f0be275p2cf99b64543117f2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > Mani A wrote: >> I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a >> upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? > > Most likely. Will it get deleted? > >> I believe only the corresponding parts will get upgraded, like kde-4.x >> --> kde-4.y,...and so on. >> Why exactly is 'kubuntu-desktop' essential for a proper upgrade? > > Because that is KUbuntu. That is meta-package. I don't use a lot of stuff (incl open office) required by it. There must be a better way. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu Thu Oct 30 23:39:19 2008 From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:39:19 -0500 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <78323d480810301633y4f0be275p2cf99b64543117f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> <490A4681.9050307@dmiyu.org> <78323d480810301633y4f0be275p2cf99b64543117f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225409959.32069.0.camel@brother-love> On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 05:03 +0530, Mani A wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Mani A wrote: > >> I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a > >> upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? > > > > Most likely. > > Will it get deleted? Yes. KDE3.x is no longer available in 8.10 (until someone ports it, which I'm sure someone will). If you don't want to use KDE4 you should not upgrade to 8.10. -p. From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 23:47:47 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (lindsay.mathieson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:47:47 +1000 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid Message-ID: <490a47a3.1e9.46b7.263831559@blackpaw.dyndns.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. R. Evans" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:01:16 -0600 > I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't > understand adept at all :-( > > What am I doing wrong?... > > I tried to install tmpreaper by: > > 1. opening adept > 2. typing "tmpreaper" in the search bar in "Browse" mode Did you hit enter? the search doesn't occur until you do that. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 30 23:44:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:44:11 -0300 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid References: <256f4e900810301601u57eb5b85ue12b6d4b4896f3e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3560239.WR9y7TKJRJ@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't understand adept at > all :-( So install synaptic - I still haven't found a GUI apt manager I like half as much as kpackage in Corel Linux 1.0, but synaptic almost does the job and I keep it on my Kubuntu system. > So how am I supposed to search for packages using adept? Not a clue - it's just so much easier to use aptitude :-) -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 23:51:17 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:51:17 -0600 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid In-Reply-To: <490a47a3.1e9.46b7.263831559@blackpaw.dyndns.org> References: <490a47a3.1e9.46b7.263831559@blackpaw.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <256f4e900810301651h3b3cd560jdad36dc45efa19a8@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I'm not QUITE that stupid :-) On 2008-10-30, lindsay.mathieson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. R. Evans" > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:01:16 -0600 > >> I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't >> understand adept at all :-( >> >> What am I doing wrong?... >> >> I tried to install tmpreaper by: >> >> 1. opening adept >> 2. typing "tmpreaper" in the search bar in "Browse" mode > > > Did you hit enter? the search doesn't occur until you do > that. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 30 23:41:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:41:51 -0300 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3386085.CilMVHplOm@cedar.serverforest.com> Mani A wrote: > I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a > upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? > I believe only the corresponding parts will get upgraded, like kde-4.x > --> kde-4.y,...and so on. Not sure, but I believe "kde" (kde3, now) will be replace by kde 4, so yes, 3.x will be affected. > Why exactly is 'kubuntu-desktop' essential for a proper upgrade? As near as I can tell, it isn't. What it _does_ do, is create dependencies for other software that the developers think you _should_ have. I've been through a couple of upgrades without kubuntu-desktop and one with. I decided I just wanted to find out what was new. Even so, I removed a lot of stuff, including kubuntu-desktop right after the last upgrade. -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 23:57:52 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:57:52 -0600 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid In-Reply-To: <3560239.WR9y7TKJRJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <256f4e900810301601u57eb5b85ue12b6d4b4896f3e0@mail.gmail.com> <3560239.WR9y7TKJRJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <256f4e900810301657t73a3cf80yf244d8fe1177f038@mail.gmail.com> On 2008-10-30, Derek Broughton wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: > >> I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't understand adept at >> all :-( > > So install synaptic - I still haven't found a GUI apt manager I like half as Well that WAS stupid of me, wasn't it? I tried it, but somehow I had it in my head that the package was called "ksynaptic", so of course apt-get didn't find it. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 31 00:48:57 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:48:57 -0500 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid In-Reply-To: <3560239.WR9y7TKJRJ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <256f4e900810301601u57eb5b85ue12b6d4b4896f3e0@mail.gmail.com> <3560239.WR9y7TKJRJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <490A55F9.3030300@swbell.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: > > >> I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't understand adept at >> all :-( >> > > So install synaptic - I still haven't found a GUI apt manager I like half as > much as kpackage in Corel Linux 1.0, but synaptic almost does the job and I > keep it on my Kubuntu system. > > >> So how am I supposed to search for packages using adept? >> > > Not a clue - it's just so much easier to use aptitude :-) > They trashed Adept. It's basically worthless now. Reminds me of Smart Package Manager in SuSE [ more like Stupid Package Manager ]. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 31 00:47:26 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:47:26 -0300 Subject: problem finding packages to install in intrepid References: <256f4e900810301601u57eb5b85ue12b6d4b4896f3e0@mail.gmail.com> <3560239.WR9y7TKJRJ@cedar.serverforest.com> <256f4e900810301657t73a3cf80yf244d8fe1177f038@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24056521.9jxN0nFXS2@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > On 2008-10-30, Derek Broughton wrote: >> D. R. Evans wrote: >> >>> I feel half-lost without synaptic; I obviously don't understand adept at >>> all :-( >> >> So install synaptic - I still haven't found a GUI apt manager I like half >> as > > Well that WAS stupid of me, wasn't it? > > I tried it, but somehow I had it in my head that the package was > called "ksynaptic", so of course apt-get didn't find it. ksynaptics is the (defunct) gui for the synaptic touch pad :-) (which you wouldn't find because it hasn't been included since at least feisty) Don't think of it as stupid, just another senior moment. If you're too young for senior moments ... worry :-) -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 01:13:21 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:13:21 +0200 Subject: ISP caching and updating Message-ID: <490A5BB1.5070305@gmail.com> I started noticing a problem with issuing aptitude update about a month ago. i issue the command, and try to install a package, to get a 404 error. i manually check the files in the repos to discover that aptitude is trying to download an old version of a package that is no longer available. so i suspected a lag in the mirror or something (was using the main repo), i changed my mirror, and updated, everything worked fine. but a week later, the problem came back. i tried to watch the "sudo aptitude update" output, and found that it's hitting and ignoring loads of stuff, meaning that these are unchanged, so i changed my mirror again, and everything worked fine. but today, is my third change of the mirror, and this is starting to annoy me. after some thinking, i know my ISP uses Squid caching, i see it's error messages a lot when browsing, and i think it's caching the package lists, that's why aptitude is only hitting them. what can i do about it? usually, when i want to skip the cache for some site, i use https (if available by website), is there a way i can use a secure connection for aptitude? or some other way to go around this problem? thanks in advance -- Willy K. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Oct 31 01:45:09 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:45:09 -0700 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <78323d480810301633y4f0be275p2cf99b64543117f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> <490A4681.9050307@dmiyu.org> <78323d480810301633y4f0be275p2cf99b64543117f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810301845.09308.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 30 October 2008 4:33:03 pm Mani A wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Mani A wrote: > >> I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a > >> upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? > > > > Most likely. > > Will it get deleted? Not exactly but what is happening is the .kde4 you had in Hardy will in intrepid became just plain ol' .kde. What do you suppose happens to all that kde3 information? Why can't you just keep kde3 ? Because all your old kde directories will be overwritten! > > >> I believe only the corresponding parts will get upgraded, like kde-4.x > >> --> kde-4.y,...and so on. > >> Why exactly is 'kubuntu-desktop' essential for a proper upgrade? > > > > Because that is KUbuntu. > > That is meta-package. I don't use a lot of stuff (incl open office) > required by it. > There must be a better way. As other have said, KDE developers are pushing to only support the CURRENT KDE. It takes man hours to support so they feel it is better spent in ONE direction rather than two! I have to agree although I do NOT like the feel of KDE4 so far. I do however, have faith that it will get better! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 02:51:38 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:51:38 -0400 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches In-Reply-To: <49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> <49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:15 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:48 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Kubuntu 8.04.1, KDE 3.5.10, Amarok 1.4.9.1 > >> > >> Every time I try to listen to a Shoutcast or cool-stream radio live the > >> same thing happens: > >> it retrieves the playlist > >> it buffers > >> it starts playing > >> after a minute or more it stops and the "sound indicator" at the bottom > >> of the Amarok window just "flickers" constantly. > >> > >> I am on a fairly slow connection but listening via various webplayers > >> works much better. Anyone have any idea of what I could try to sort this > >> out? > >> > >> Sinclair > > > > I don't know the answer but I have been having problems with Amarok > > and those broadcasts too. I have also noticed that there have been a > > lot of Amarok updates lately and that the playing is getting better. > > For a long time if I changed channels, I needed to play a normal file > > first between them to get the new station to work. That seems to be > > fixed now but I am not 100% sure of that yet. > Hm - that seems to improve things a bit. If I use LastFM I can actually > get thru a couple of songs but then it gets stuck. I then play a > "disk-song" and then reconnects and it works for some time again. > > Only Last.FM though, Shoutcast etc. still unusable I've noticed quite a few sound apps and multimedia apps crap out if Firefox is running. Try without it up and running. See if that helps. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 02:55:47 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:55:47 -0400 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <490A0FD0.5060905@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> <490A0FD0.5060905@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <1225421747.7223.6.camel@iam> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 21:49 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Actually it's not the k3b post burn checks - I then took the CD to the box to do the install and > it failed on a specific file. I then restarted the process but choose the 'Check Cd' (or > something like that) - the option beneath 'Install' (this is the alternate CD). Anyway, the self > check got about half way through a complained about a corrupted file - another coaster! > > I shall wait until the weekend and try again. You might restrict the burn rate to something like 2X, SLOW-- and see if that helps. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 31 06:12:43 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:12:43 +0200 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <1225421747.7223.6.camel@iam> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> <490A0FD0.5060905@prayingforisrael.net> <1225421747.7223.6.camel@iam> Message-ID: <490AA1DB.8060000@prayingforisrael.net> Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 21:49 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> Actually it's not the k3b post burn checks - I then took the CD to the box to do the install and >> it failed on a specific file. I then restarted the process but choose the 'Check Cd' (or >> something like that) - the option beneath 'Install' (this is the alternate CD). Anyway, the self >> check got about half way through a complained about a corrupted file - another coaster! >> >> I shall wait until the weekend and try again. > > You might restrict the burn rate to something like 2X, SLOW-- and see if > that helps. Ric > x10 is the minimum on my Dell 1525 :-( Blessings, Nigel -- From TonySivori at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 06:16:49 2008 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:16:49 -0400 Subject: ISP caching and updating References: <490A5BB1.5070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:13:21 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > I started noticing a problem with issuing aptitude update about a month > ago. > i know my ISP uses Squid caching, i see it's error messages a lot when > browsing, and i think it's caching the package lists, > or some other way to go around this problem? Complain to your ISP that their cache is serving you stale data. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be Fri Oct 31 08:07:49 2008 From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:07:49 +0100 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <200810301845.09308.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> <78323d480810301633y4f0be275p2cf99b64543117f2@mail.gmail.com> <200810301845.09308.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200810310907.53025.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> I think the KDE3 applications that are available for KDE4 will replaced, but other KDE3 applications will stay (I suppose the KDE3 libraries are still there). So, only the replaced KDE3 applications will seen their configuration files in .kde overwritten (but you make a copy to ".kde3"). Since I am using KDE4 for a while, I suppose that I can copy (after the installation) all the files for ".kde4" to ".kde" to obtain my current configuration. On vendredi 31 octobre 2008, Pastor JW wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2008 4:33:03 pm Mani A wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > Mani A wrote: > > >> I did read the release notes, but will kde-3.x get affected by a > > >> upgrade when lots of desktops are installed? > > > > > > Most likely. > > > > Will it get deleted? > > Not exactly but what is happening is the .kde4 you had in Hardy will in > intrepid became just plain ol' .kde. What do you suppose happens to all > that kde3 information? Why can't you just keep kde3 ? Because all your > old kde directories will be overwritten! > > > >> I believe only the corresponding parts will get upgraded, like kde-4.x > > >> --> kde-4.y,...and so on. > > >> Why exactly is 'kubuntu-desktop' essential for a proper upgrade? > > > > > > Because that is KUbuntu. > > > > That is meta-package. I don't use a lot of stuff (incl open office) > > required by it. > > There must be a better way. > > As other have said, KDE developers are pushing to only support the CURRENT > KDE. It takes man hours to support so they feel it is better spent in ONE > direction rather than two! I have to agree although I do NOT like the feel > of KDE4 so far. I do however, have faith that it will get better! > > > -- > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq Researcher Université Libre de Bruxelles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 08:39:25 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:39:25 +0200 Subject: Firefox and Thunderbirddo not work after update to KDE 8.10 Message-ID: All, After updating from 8..04 to 8.10 Firefox and Thunderbird are not working. Both programs are loaded in the task list but do not work at all. Any idea as these are the main programs I use? Thanks. gk From francisco.borges at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 09:25:49 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:25:49 +0100 Subject: kde4 (intrepid) questions: not using configuration from KDE3? Message-ID: I just upgraded from Gutsy to Intrepid. I have many problems, all related to the fact that I had configured KDE to my taste and needs (like font size), and now all my personal settings seem to have been erased. Is there any way to have KDE4 use the configuration values from KDE3? Things I lost and would like to recover: -- my panels. I had two highly configured panels. One is reset to default, the other is gone. -- my Konsole font settings. I cannot use a computer with small font sizes, and KDE4 ignores my old font size settings. (I also could not find where to change those). (I could list more stuff here.... like my wallpaper slideshow) Or the assumption is that KDE4 would simply trash the configuration state of the applications from KDE3? Thanks in advance for any comments, -- Francisco From sahana.basavapatna at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 10:01:32 2008 From: sahana.basavapatna at gmail.com (Sahana Basavapatna) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:31:32 +0530 Subject: Installing wireless network drivers Message-ID: Hello! Can anyone please help me install drivers for wireless networking? I use a Lenevo Y410. Thanks! Sahana. -- Sahana Basavapatna Coordinator - Burmese Refugee Desk The Other Media No 31, Nalanda Apartments D Block, Vikaspuri New Delhi Ph: +91 11 285 30 431 Email: refugeedesk at theothermedia.org Mobile: +91 99682 96202 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 10:45:15 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:45:15 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10: did the updates convert the beta version into the official release? Message-ID: Dear Everybody About two weeks ago, I installed the beta version of Kubuntu 8.10 which was available at that moment. I carried out the install 'from scratch', at a seperate partition. I still have maintained Kubuntu 7.10 at another partition. However it may be, I have downloaded and installed all the available updates via 'Adept' up to and including the ones that came in today. My question is now: did all these update sessions 'automatically' convert that 8.10 beta configuration into the one which has been 'officially' released yesterday? Or do I need to do anything else to convert the beta configuration into the one prevailing today? Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- =============== Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht M. +31.6.446.835.10 T. +31.30.785.20.40 BasRoufs at gmail.com =============== From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 10:53:58 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:53:58 +0100 Subject: Installing wireless network drivers References: Message-ID: Sahana Basavapatna wrote: > Lenevo Y410 you'll need to check if firmware is installed. check if using iwl lsmod | grep iwl iwl3945 86004 0 firmware_class 7680 3 iwl3945,tuner_xc2028,pcmcia mac80211 207860 1 iwl3945 led_class 4356 1 iwl3945 cfg80211 24712 2 iwl3945,mac80211 or ipw lsmod | grep ipw in the console write ls -al /lib/firmware/* | grep iwl iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode or if ipw ls -al /lib/firmware/* | grep ipw ipw3945.ucode if not download and copy this file there check if the wlan kill switch is disabled running /sbin/iwconfig /sbin/iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth1 no wireless extensions. wmaster0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=off Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 In this example Tx-Power=off is set so it has been disabled by software. go to kontrol center internet/network settings and configure your wlan interface regards From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 31 12:30:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:30:57 -0300 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> <49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam> Message-ID: <17028517.M7qWMELLtR@cedar.serverforest.com> Ric Moore wrote: > I've noticed quite a few sound apps and multimedia apps crap out if > Firefox is running. Try without it up and running. See if that helps. And vice versa. I have a Firefox flash app (I hate flash, love the app) that I use regularly and it won't work sometimes if I've been listening to music. I have to log right out before I can get it working - and listening to music _while_ using the app is impossible. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 31 12:32:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:32:21 -0300 Subject: Installing wireless network drivers References: Message-ID: <1802518.B4yfAgGSrp@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Sahana Basavapatna wrote: > >> Lenevo Y410 > > you'll need to check if firmware is installed. check if using iwl > > lsmod | grep iwl > iwl3945 86004 0 Surely it doesn't only have one possible wireless NIC? Every laptop I've had had two or three options for factory installed wireless - and then you could have added a card. -- derek From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 14:08:57 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:08:57 -0400 Subject: Upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10? Message-ID: <490B1179.80301@gmail.com> Can anyone tell me if it's possible to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10? If so, how do I do that? Thanks for your help. Eric Jackson From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Oct 31 14:22:34 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:22:34 +0000 Subject: Upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10? In-Reply-To: <490B1179.80301@gmail.com> References: <490B1179.80301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <490B14AA.20703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Eric wrote: > Can anyone tell me if it's possible to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10? If so, > how do I do that? Yes it is possible. See the 8.10 release notes http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810 Be careful to check the know issues beforehand though. Chris From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 14:24:38 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:24:38 +0200 Subject: No 1680x1050 resolution with Intrepid Message-ID: <880dece00810310724p46b02339l4d9e2d3966d6c31e@mail.gmail.com> Updating to Intrepid on a self-built box (Asus motherboard with onboard ATI video) does not let me enable 1680x1050 screen resolution. I do have the proprietary driver enabled, and KDE windows effects are working, but there is no 1680x1050 resolution to choose from in System Settings -> Display. I thought about simply adding it manually to xorg.conf, but that does not seem likely to help; ety at intrepid-desktop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # snip comments Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" EndSection ety at intrepid-desktop:~$ I suppose that xorg.conf is mostly empty because of bulletproof X, but now how can one configure it? Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 15:13:53 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:13:53 -0400 Subject: No 1680x1050 resolution with Intrepid In-Reply-To: <880dece00810310724p46b02339l4d9e2d3966d6c31e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00810310724p46b02339l4d9e2d3966d6c31e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810311113.53194.art.alexion@gmail.com> On Friday 31 October 2008 10:24:38 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > I suppose that xorg.conf is mostly empty because of bulletproof X, but > now how can one configure it? Thanks in advance. I've been meaning to ask this question myself. I am really anxious for an answer. After years of trying to master xorg.conf, they go and change it on me %!*&&%% From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 31 15:41:30 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:41:30 +0200 Subject: xorg.conf was Re: No 1680x1050 resolution with Intrepid In-Reply-To: <200810311113.53194.art.alexion@gmail.com> References: <880dece00810310724p46b02339l4d9e2d3966d6c31e@mail.gmail.com> <200810311113.53194.art.alexion@gmail.com> Message-ID: <490B272A.9060206@prayingforisrael.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2008 10:24:38 am Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I suppose that xorg.conf is mostly empty because of bulletproof X, but >> now how can one configure it? Thanks in advance. > > I've been meaning to ask this question myself. I am really anxious for an > answer. > > After years of trying to master xorg.conf, they go and change it on me %!*&&%% > I remember recently reading that HAL is 'replacing' xorg.conf. HAL is supposed to automagically detect everything so that there is no need for a xorg.conf anymore - but if you do create one, then xorg will use it. See this: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/131728-xorg-conf-going-away-now-what.html There is probably more info out there..... Blessings, Nigel -- From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 15:54:24 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:54:24 +0200 Subject: kde4 (intrepid) questions: not using configuration from KDE3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15edeae40810310854r7f436bf5ne473017f966d26b0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/31 Francisco Borges : > I just upgraded from Gutsy to Intrepid. > > I have many problems, all related to the fact that I had configured > KDE to my taste and needs (like font size), and now all my personal > settings seem to have been erased. > > Is there any way to have KDE4 use the configuration values from KDE3? > > Things I lost and would like to recover: > > -- my panels. I had two highly configured panels. One is reset to > default, the other is gone. > -- my Konsole font settings. I cannot use a computer with small font > sizes, and KDE4 ignores my old font size settings. (I also could not > find where to change those). > (I could list more stuff here.... like my wallpaper slideshow) > > Or the assumption is that KDE4 would simply trash the configuration > state of the applications from KDE3? > > Thanks in advance for any comments, > -- > Francisco > i'm afraid you can't. KDE4 and KDE3 are very different. the panels that used to exist in KDE3 are no longer even available in KDE4 to use their settings, those in KDE4 are plasma objects. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 15:57:31 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:57:31 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10: did the updates convert the beta version into the official release? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15edeae40810310857k54038fc6pbd40d65330a130f3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/31 Bas Roufs : > Dear Everybody > > About two weeks ago, I installed the beta version of Kubuntu 8.10 > which was available at that moment. I carried out the install 'from > scratch', at a seperate partition. I still have maintained Kubuntu > 7.10 at another partition. > > However it may be, I have downloaded and installed all the available > updates via 'Adept' up to and including the ones that came in today. > My question is now: did all these update sessions 'automatically' > convert that 8.10 beta configuration into the one which has been > 'officially' released yesterday? Or do I need to do anything else to > convert the beta configuration into the one prevailing today? > > yes, if you do a normal update for your beta last week, it would have become the RC, and if you do an update now, then it would become the official release. this has always been the way for ubuntu systems. cheers -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 16:16:34 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:16:34 -0600 Subject: intrepid howto for adding a printer? Message-ID: <256f4e900810310916g2b6c57f4x8b3ed4acdabe41cd@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know where there are detailed instructions as to how to add a CUPS-based printer under intrepid? I have such a printer: 1. a computer running hardy can access it perfectly 2. The lack of "Printers" under System Configuration in intrepid confused me, but there's a "Printing" application accessible from the system menu. So that's what I tried to use. The fact that it doesn't even seem to require root privs is bothering, though. 3. I note that the printer does not appear in the list of remote printers (even though I have "show printers shared by other systems ticked), so I had to try to add it manually. Obviously, I did something wrong. Doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Fri Oct 31 16:22:19 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:22:19 +0100 Subject: Upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10? In-Reply-To: <490B1179.80301@gmail.com> References: <490B1179.80301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225470139.6759.3.camel@pc> i did successfully with 64 bits intrepid : in a shell : update-manager -d no one problem though it was still in beta... i have no choice ... 8.10 doesn't run on my intel dualcore... I can install it but when i reboot kernel block (so i don't use kernel 2.6.27) Le vendredi 31 octobre 2008 à 10:08 -0400, Eric a écrit : > Can anyone tell me if it's possible to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10? If so, > how do I do that? > > Thanks for your help. > > Eric Jackson > From jussi01 at ubuntu.com Fri Oct 31 16:42:12 2008 From: jussi01 at ubuntu.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:42:12 +0200 Subject: intrepid howto for adding a printer? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900810310916g2b6c57f4x8b3ed4acdabe41cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900810310916g2b6c57f4x8b3ed4acdabe41cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:16 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > Does anyone know where there are detailed instructions as to how to add a > CUPS-based printer under intrepid? > > I have such a printer: > > 1. a computer running hardy can access it perfectly > 2. The lack of "Printers" under System Configuration in intrepid confused > me, but there's a "Printing" application accessible from the system menu. So > that's what I tried to use. The fact that it doesn't even seem to require > root privs is bothering, though. > 3. I note that the printer does not appear in the list of remote printers > (even though I have "show printers shared by other systems ticked), so I had > to try to add it manually. Obviously, I did something wrong. > Try navigating to: http://localhost:631 hope this helps, Jussi > Doc > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From michael at weblore.com Fri Oct 31 16:42:17 2008 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:17 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine Problem Message-ID: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com> I'm trying to play a DVD and getting an encryption error message. The message says that I need to run 'sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" - which I have done. Even after running this, I still get the encryption error. Can anyone suggest a fix? From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 16:47:44 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:47:44 +0100 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> <49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam> <17028517.M7qWMELLtR@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Derek Broughton wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > >> I've noticed quite a few sound apps and multimedia apps crap out if >> Firefox is running. Try without it up and running. See if that helps. > > And vice versa. I have a Firefox flash app (I hate flash, love the app) > that I use regularly and it won't work sometimes if I've been listening to > music. I have to log right out before I can get it working - and > listening to music _while_ using the app is impossible. try set this in your environment export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" or FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox to check if it works regards From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 16:54:44 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:54:44 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10: did the updates convert the beta version into the official release? - SOLVED Message-ID: THANKS, WILLY, FOR YOUR QUICK REPLY. IT'S ENOUGH CLEAR NOW. BAS. 2008/10/31 Willy Hamra : > 2008/10/31 Bas Roufs : >> Dear Everybody >> >> About two weeks ago, I installed the beta version of Kubuntu 8.10 >> which was available at that moment. I carried out the install 'from >> scratch', at a seperate partition. I still have maintained Kubuntu >> 7.10 at another partition. >> >> However it may be, I have downloaded and installed all the available >> updates via 'Adept' up to and including the ones that came in today. >> My question is now: did all these update sessions 'automatically' >> convert that 8.10 beta configuration into the one which has been >> 'officially' released yesterday? Or do I need to do anything else to >> convert the beta configuration into the one prevailing today? >> >> > > yes, if you do a normal update for your beta last week, it would have > become the RC, and if you do an update now, then it would become the > official release. this has always been the way for ubuntu systems. > cheers > > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- =============== Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht M. +31.6.446.835.10 T. +31.30.785.20.40 BasRoufs at gmail.com =============== From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 16:49:59 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:49:59 +0100 Subject: Installing wireless network drivers References: <1802518.B4yfAgGSrp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Derek Broughton wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >> Sahana Basavapatna wrote: >> >>> Lenevo Y410 >> >> you'll need to check if firmware is installed. check if using iwl >> >> lsmod | grep iwl >> iwl3945 86004 0 > > Surely it doesn't only have one possible wireless NIC? Every laptop I've > had had two or three options for factory installed wireless - and then you > could have added a card. this model seems to have intel 3945 wireless chip regards From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 17:05:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:05:51 +0200 Subject: kde4 (intrepid) questions: not using configuration from KDE3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00810311005l73e34dd9i369b4d43da52e82d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/31 Francisco Borges : > I just upgraded from Gutsy to Intrepid. > > I have many problems, all related to the fact that I had configured > KDE to my taste and needs (like font size), and now all my personal > settings seem to have been erased. > > Is there any way to have KDE4 use the configuration values from KDE3? > > Things I lost and would like to recover: > > -- my panels. I had two highly configured panels. One is reset to > default, the other is gone. > -- my Konsole font settings. I cannot use a computer with small font > sizes, and KDE4 ignores my old font size settings. (I also could not > find where to change those). > (I could list more stuff here.... like my wallpaper slideshow) > > Or the assumption is that KDE4 would simply trash the configuration > state of the applications from KDE3? > > Thanks in advance for any comments, > -- > Francisco > There is an open bug on this in bugs.kde.org but I cannot find it. If you find it, please link to it and comment. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu Fri Oct 31 17:25:07 2008 From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:25:07 -0500 Subject: 8.04 -->8.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <200810310907.53025.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> References: <78323d480810301459m7f854a46r2db1053a2ba70348@mail.gmail.com> <200810301845.09308.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200810310907.53025.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <200810311225.07697.carl1086@morris.umn.edu> On Friday October 31 2008 03:07:49 am Pascal Francq wrote: > I think the KDE3 applications that are available for KDE4 will replaced, > but other KDE3 applications will stay (I suppose the KDE3 libraries are > still there). Yeah, and it's actually pretty cool how it works; Qt4 (the KDE toolkit) has the ability to "translate" Qt3 apps (KDE3) and GTK apps to the Qt4 toolkit, so everything has the same look no matter what applications you're using. Pretty awesome, if you ask me. -pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 18:42:56 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:42:56 +0100 Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches In-Reply-To: References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com> <49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam> <17028517.M7qWMELLtR@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: > try set this in your environment > > export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" > > or FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox > > to check if it works > > regards What do you mean by environment? How or where do you set that? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Oct 31 18:56:45 2008 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:56:45 +0000 Subject: xorg.conf was Re: No 1680x1050 resolution with Intrepid In-Reply-To: <490B272A.9060206@prayingforisrael.net> References: <880dece00810310724p46b02339l4d9e2d3966d6c31e@mail.gmail.com> <200810311113.53194.art.alexion@gmail.com> <490B272A.9060206@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <20081031185645.43be9e74.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:41:30 +0200 Nigel Ridley wrote: NR> Art Alexion wrote: NR> > On Friday 31 October 2008 10:24:38 am Dotan Cohen wrote: NR> >> I suppose that xorg.conf is mostly empty because of bulletproof NR> >X, but > now how can one configure it? Thanks in advance. NR> > NR> > I've been meaning to ask this question myself. I am really NR> > anxious for an answer. NR> > NR> > After years of trying to master xorg.conf, they go and change it NR> > on me %!*&&%% NR> > NR> NR> I remember recently reading that HAL is 'replacing' xorg.conf. HAL NR> is supposed to automagically detect everything so that there is no NR> need for a xorg.conf anymore - but if you do create one, then xorg NR> will use it. See this: NR> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/131728-xorg-conf-going-away-now-what.html NR> There is probably more info out there..... It seems to me that the big problem here is that of monitors that don't correctly return their capabilities (not that uncommon especially with laptop screens). Right now it looks as if those who have such hardware are worse off than they were in the era of (say) RedHat 4.2, in that there is no config tool which will allow you to easily tell X what the monitor can do and so the only options look like an ancient live-CD (and copy the xorg.conf that it generates) or hand-editing xorg.conf. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From eric-kubuntu at skoozdag.com Fri Oct 31 19:15:57 2008 From: eric-kubuntu at skoozdag.com (Eric (Kubuntu)) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:57 -0400 Subject: Wireless works with Ubuntu 8.10, but not with Kubuntu 8.10 Message-ID: <490B596D.8080507@skoozdag.com> Hey everyone. Congrats on the release of 8.10. I have a laptop that has a Broadcom wireless card in it, which has always been somewhat of a pain to get wireless working right on it. Until Ubuntu 8.04 that is. Since then, piece of cake. I did a fresh install last night, because I wanted to try out Kubuntu this time around. Install went fine. I tossed the firmware for the broadcom stuff in /lib/firmware and viola, the light on my Laptop indicating the wireless was on came on. Except... No luck. I messed with it for hours and I never could connect to my wireless network. So, this morning I decided to give Ubuntu 8.10 a try. Same process, I installed it, and tossed the firmware into /lib/firmware. POOF! Wireless worked fine under Ubuntu 8.10. Same laptop, same install process, same firmware, same wireless network ... Works fine in Ubuntu, but no worky in Kubuntu. I'd really like to give Kubuntu a try, I'm kinda excited about the KDE4 stuff, it looks pretty neat... I've been a Gnome guy for a long time, but I want to at least give KDE4 a shot since its come so far. Anyway... Without wireless, the laptop is no good to me, so Kubuntu is off of it until I can get figure this out. BTW, its a Broadcom 4318 chipset. Obviously I know it works in Linux, since it works in Ubuntu, just not Kubuntu. Any thoughts? Suggestions? Where to start? Thanks! --Eric From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 19:54:46 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:54:46 +0200 Subject: Wireless works with Ubuntu 8.10, but not with Kubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <490B596D.8080507@skoozdag.com> References: <490B596D.8080507@skoozdag.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40810311254s985b404pdaea902bfd8c579e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/31 Eric (Kubuntu) : > Hey everyone. Congrats on the release of 8.10. > > I have a laptop that has a Broadcom wireless card in it, which has > always been somewhat of a pain to get wireless working right on it. > Until Ubuntu 8.04 that is. Since then, piece of cake. > > I did a fresh install last night, because I wanted to try out Kubuntu > this time around. Install went fine. I tossed the firmware for the > broadcom stuff in /lib/firmware and viola, the light on my Laptop > indicating the wireless was on came on. Except... No luck. I messed > with it for hours and I never could connect to my wireless network. > > So, this morning I decided to give Ubuntu 8.10 a try. Same process, I > installed it, and tossed the firmware into /lib/firmware. POOF! > Wireless worked fine under Ubuntu 8.10. > > Same laptop, same install process, same firmware, same wireless network > ... Works fine in Ubuntu, but no worky in Kubuntu. > > I'd really like to give Kubuntu a try, I'm kinda excited about the KDE4 > stuff, it looks pretty neat... I've been a Gnome guy for a long time, > but I want to at least give KDE4 a shot since its come so far. > > Anyway... Without wireless, the laptop is no good to me, so Kubuntu is > off of it until I can get figure this out. > > BTW, its a Broadcom 4318 chipset. Obviously I know it works in Linux, > since it works in Ubuntu, just not Kubuntu. > > Any thoughts? Suggestions? Where to start? > > > Thanks! > --Eric this is really weird. do you mind having 2 desktop environments? the laptop have ubuntu (gnome) now, and wireless is working right? try to install using your favourite package manager, the package "kubuntu-desktop", the simplest way is to run from konsole: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop this will install KDE4 alongside GNOME, effectively giving you kubuntu, but on the same setup that is successfully configuring wireless. and then at the login screen, you can choose if you want to log into GNOME or KDE. hope this helps -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 19:59:42 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:59:42 -0400 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <490AA1DB.8060000@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490A0C9F.4020507@candt.waitrose.com> <490A0FD0.5060905@prayingforisrael.net> <1225421747.7223.6.camel@iam> <490AA1DB.8060000@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <1225483182.12125.11.camel@iam> On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 08:12 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 21:49 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > > >> Actually it's not the k3b post burn checks - I then took the CD to the box to do the install and > >> it failed on a specific file. I then restarted the process but choose the 'Check Cd' (or > >> something like that) - the option beneath 'Install' (this is the alternate CD). Anyway, the self > >> check got about half way through a complained about a corrupted file - another coaster! > >> > >> I shall wait until the weekend and try again. > > > > You might restrict the burn rate to something like 2X, SLOW-- and see if > > that helps. Ric > > > > x10 is the minimum on my Dell 1525 :-( Huh, I thought k3b did the setting of the burn speed as an option. x10 for reading perhaps?? I dunno. I have a pretty fast burner as well, darn near new, but k3b will let me burn at a crawl ...which works really well. My two cents, Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Fri Oct 31 20:04:45 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:04:45 +0100 Subject: Kaffeine Problem In-Reply-To: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com> References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <200810312104.47506.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Friday 31 October 2008 17:42, Michael Satterwhite wrote: > I'm trying to play a DVD and getting an encryption error message. The > message says that I need to run 'sudo > /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" - which I have done. Even after > running this, I still get the encryption error. > > Can anyone suggest a fix? This problem with Kaffeine was discussed a while back, and I did get Kaffeine working on my Hardy heron install. You need to make sure that you have the libdvdcss2 package installed, so that encrypted DVD's can be decrypted. Even after installing the package you may still get the above message, which is misleading as to the actual problem. You can get libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repo, details below if you dont have it in /etc/apt/sources.list. Go to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu , and add the repos for your as directed for your Kubuntu version. Then do an apt-get install medibuntu-keyring , which will install the GPG key for the repo. I got my Kaffeine playing DVD's, after installing libdvdcss2, by renaming the ~/.xine file, and restarting Kaffeine, which then created a new .xine file. Saying that though, I may have had to do that a couple of times, as I see I have 2 backups for .xine, and possibly rebooted as well. I remember having to go through the hoops a bit, to get Kaffeine working with DVD's. Something else I remember from the earlier kaffeine thread, was to do with Kaffeine not finding the optical drive, which is why the error message displayed. My Kaffeine >Settings > xine Engine Parameters >media, shows the dvd device as /dev/dvd. Have a look in /dev, and see which block device /dev/dvd is pointing to. Mine in Hardy Heron is pointing to scd0, which is correct. That will do for now. Post back please. Which Kubuntu version have you installed, and was this an upgrade, or a fresh install? All the best. Nigel. From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 20:28:47 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:28:47 +0100 Subject: Kaffeine Problem In-Reply-To: <200810312104.47506.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com> <200810312104.47506.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2008 17:42, Michael Satterwhite wrote: >> I'm trying to play a DVD and getting an encryption error message. The >> message says that I need to run 'sudo >> /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" - which I have done. Even after >> running this, I still get the encryption error. >> >> Can anyone suggest a fix? > > This problem with Kaffeine was discussed a while back, and I did get Kaffeine > working on my Hardy heron install. You need to make sure that you have the > libdvdcss2 package installed, so that encrypted DVD's can be decrypted. Even > after installing the package you may still get the above message, which is > misleading as to the actual problem. You can get libdvdcss2 from the > medibuntu repo, details below if you dont have it in /etc/apt/sources.list. > > Go to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu , and add the repos for your > as directed for your Kubuntu version. > > Then do an apt-get install medibuntu-keyring , which will install the GPG key > for the repo. > > I got my Kaffeine playing DVD's, after installing libdvdcss2, by renaming the > ~/.xine file, and restarting Kaffeine, which then created a new .xine file. > Saying that though, I may have had to do that a couple of times, as I see I > have 2 backups for .xine, and possibly rebooted as well. I remember having to > go through the hoops a bit, to get Kaffeine working with DVD's. > > Something else I remember from the earlier kaffeine thread, was to do with > Kaffeine not finding the optical drive, which is why the error message > displayed. My Kaffeine >Settings > xine Engine Parameters >media, shows the > dvd device as /dev/dvd. Have a look in /dev, and see which block > device /dev/dvd is pointing to. Mine in Hardy Heron is pointing to scd0, > which is correct. > > That will do for now. Post back please. > > Which Kubuntu version have you installed, and was this an upgrade, or a fresh > install? > > All the best. > > Nigel. All what has been said was true but it was only a patch. The end solution was this and it is very easy to do, IF this is your problem. If not it is easy to undo this fix too and get back to us. The rest is a repost: The best thing to do is leave all those packages the way they were at first and just remove (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules Then reboot your computer. All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems and will make ALL the software work. The only bad side of this is that you should undo my first patch. The patch will still work though as long as the drive does not move from scd0 which it could if you add a new drive or upgrade your system. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 20:35:22 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:35:22 +1100 Subject: re kopete Message-ID: Kopete want accept my email address to check rayburke at yahoo.com, so dont understand how to use Kopete proparly??????? _________________________________________________________________ From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Fri Oct 31 20:35:38 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:35:38 +0100 Subject: Problem burning ISO In-Reply-To: <1225483182.12125.11.camel@iam> References: <4909F080.2060800@prayingforisrael.net> <490AA1DB.8060000@prayingforisrael.net> <1225483182.12125.11.camel@iam> Message-ID: <200810312135.38378.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Friday 31 October 2008 20:59, Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 08:12 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 21:49 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > >> Actually it's not the k3b post burn checks - I then took the CD to the > > >> box to do the install and it failed on a specific file. I then > > >> restarted the process but choose the 'Check Cd' (or something like > > >> that) - the option beneath 'Install' (this is the alternate CD). > > >> Anyway, the self check got about half way through a complained about > > >> a corrupted file - another coaster! > > >> > > >> I shall wait until the weekend and try again. > > > > > > You might restrict the burn rate to something like 2X, SLOW-- and see > > > if that helps. Ric > > > > x10 is the minimum on my Dell 1525 :-( > > Huh, I thought k3b did the setting of the burn speed as an option. x10 > for reading perhaps?? I dunno. I have a pretty fast burner as well, darn > near new, but k3b will let me burn at a crawl ...which works really > well. My two cents, Ric Something that comes to mind is that the media check, when installing, can be unreliable. A fail on a specific file, may not prevent the install proceeding without any problems whatsoever. I must admit that I normally skip the media check, as I've found it to be unreliable. did you try booting the newly burned cd on the machine that you'd burned it on? Skip the media check, and just see if you get as far as the installer. You don't have to proceed with the install if it does get that far. I havn't used the alternate CD, so am not sure how it works. Nigel Henry. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 20:42:51 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:42:51 +0200 Subject: re kopete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/31 Ray Burke : > > Kopete want accept my email address to check rayburke at yahoo.com, so dont understand how to use Kopete proparly??????? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > can you please explain more? what version of kubuntu are you using? what were you doing when kopete misbehaved? what were you expecting it to do,and what happened? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 20:48:06 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:48:06 +1100 Subject: re kopete In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Willy, I have Kubuntu 8.0.4 and are a newie as I am from the windows school of xp pro and now dual boot with Kubuntu, I expected that kopete to monitor all my emails that come in over yahoo,hotmail and alphalink where I have emails logged to these ISP's???????? ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:42:51 +0200 > From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: re kopete > > 2008/10/31 Ray Burke : >> >> Kopete want accept my email address to check rayburke at yahoo.com, so dont understand how to use Kopete proparly??????? >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > can you please explain more? what version of kubuntu are you using? > what were you doing when kopete misbehaved? what were you expecting it > to do,and what happened? > > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ From p.romuloo at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 21:01:14 2008 From: p.romuloo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paulo_R=F4mulo?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:01:14 -0300 Subject: [OT] Medibuntu servers down? Message-ID: Sorry if anyone already asked (I didn't see recent messages about this), but are the servers of Medibuntu down? There is in the Launchpad an issue relating to a DNS problem, but was said in the comments that had been resolved. Thanks in advance, -- Paulo Rômulo Alves Barros Graduando em Ciência da Computação Membro do Laboratório de Sistemas Distribuídos UFCG / CEEI / DSC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is in the Launchpad an issue > relating to a DNS problem, but was said in the comments that had been > resolved. > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Paulo Rômulo Alves Barros > Graduando em Ciência da Computação > Membro do Laboratório de Sistemas Distribuídos > UFCG / CEEI / DSC > i haven't noticed any problems with medibuntu, aptitude was working fine yesterday, but wine's repos were having problems :S -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 21:45:11 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:45:11 +1100 Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails Message-ID: Does anyone know of an Application in Kubuntu that is able to pre-read emails(Number) with different ISP's instead of connecting to them singularly, like pop peeper in xp pro _________________________________________________________________ From michael at weblore.com Fri Oct 31 21:50:21 2008 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:50:21 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine Problem - Fix didn't work In-Reply-To: References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com> <200810312104.47506.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200810311650.21455.michael@weblore.com> On Friday 31 October 2008 15:28:47 Knapp wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Nigel Henry > > wrote: > > On Friday 31 October 2008 17:42, Michael Satterwhite wrote: > >> I'm trying to play a DVD and getting an encryption error message. The > >> message says that I need to run 'sudo > >> /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" - which I have done. Even after > >> running this, I still get the encryption error. > >> > >> Can anyone suggest a fix? > > > > This problem with Kaffeine was discussed a while back, and I did get > > Kaffeine working on my Hardy heron install. You need to make sure that > > you have the libdvdcss2 package installed, so that encrypted DVD's can be > > decrypted. Even after installing the package you may still get the above > > message, which is misleading as to the actual problem. You can get > > libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repo, details below if you dont have it in > > /etc/apt/sources.list. > > > > Go to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu , and add the repos for > > your as directed for your Kubuntu version. > > > > Then do an apt-get install medibuntu-keyring , which will install the GPG > > key for the repo. > > > > I got my Kaffeine playing DVD's, after installing libdvdcss2, by renaming > > the ~/.xine file, and restarting Kaffeine, which then created a new .xine > > file. Saying that though, I may have had to do that a couple of times, as > > I see I have 2 backups for .xine, and possibly rebooted as well. I > > remember having to go through the hoops a bit, to get Kaffeine working > > with DVD's. > > > > Something else I remember from the earlier kaffeine thread, was to do > > with Kaffeine not finding the optical drive, which is why the error > > message displayed. My Kaffeine >Settings > xine Engine Parameters >media, > > shows the dvd device as /dev/dvd. Have a look in /dev, and see which > > block device /dev/dvd is pointing to. Mine in Hardy Heron is pointing to > > scd0, which is correct. > > > > That will do for now. Post back please. > > > > Which Kubuntu version have you installed, and was this an upgrade, or a > > fresh install? > > > > All the best. > > > > Nigel. > > All what has been said was true but it was only a patch. The end > solution was this and it is very easy to do, IF this is your problem. > If not it is easy to undo this fix too and get back to us. The rest is > a repost: > > The best thing to do is leave all those packages the way they were at > first and just remove > (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file > called > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > Then reboot your computer. > All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems > and will make ALL the software work. I saw both of your posts at once, so I hadn't made the first change. I did rename the file as you suggested and rebooted. I *DO* have libdvdcss2 installed (I just check Adept to be sure). After the reboot, I tried to play the DVD again, and again got the message "This DVD is encrypted, ,,," again. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Fri Oct 31 21:55:07 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:55:07 +0000 Subject: re kopete In-Reply-To: References: <15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk> Ray Burke wrote: > Willy, > > I have Kubuntu 8.0.4 and are a newie as I am from the windows school of xp pro and now dual boot with Kubuntu, > I expected that kopete to monitor all my emails that come in over yahoo,hotmail and alphalink where I have emails > logged to these ISP's???????? Kopete is an Instant Messenger program, not an e-mail program... > Description: instant messenger for KDE > Kopete is an instant messenger program which can communicate with a > variety > of IM systems, such as Yahoo, ICQ, MSN, IRC and Jabber. > . > Kopete includes the "Now Listening" plug-in that can report what > music you > are currently listening to, in a number of different players, including > noatun, kscd, juk, kaffeine and amarok. > . > Support for more IM protocols can be added through a plugin system. > . > This package is part of KDE, as a component of the KDE network module. > See the 'kde' and 'kdenetwork' packages for more information. > . > Homepage: http://kopete.kde.org For e-mail use either Kmail or Thunderbird > Description: KDE Email client > KMail is a fully-featured email client that fits nicely into the KDE > desktop. It has features such as support for IMAP, POP3, multiple > accounts, > mail filtering and sorting, PGP/GnuPG privacy, and inline attachments. > . > You need to install kdepim-kio-plugins if you want to use IMAP or > mbox files, and/or kdebase-kio-plugins if you want to use POP3. > . > This package is part of KDE, and a component of the KDE PIM module. > See the 'kde' and 'kdepim' packages for more information. > . > Homepage: http://kmail.kde.org/ > Description: mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support > Thunderbird is a lightweight mail/news/RSS client, based on the > Mozilla suite. > It supports different mail accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has an integrated > learning Spam filter, and offers easy organization of mails with > tagging and > virtual folders. Also, more features can be added by installing > extensions. I hope this helps... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Fri Oct 31 22:50:52 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:50:52 +0100 Subject: Kaffeine Problem - Fix didn't work In-Reply-To: <200810311650.21455.michael@weblore.com> References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com> <200810311650.21455.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <200810312350.52417.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Friday 31 October 2008 22:50, Michael Satterwhite wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2008 15:28:47 Knapp wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Nigel Henry > > > > wrote: > > > On Friday 31 October 2008 17:42, Michael Satterwhite wrote: > > >> I'm trying to play a DVD and getting an encryption error message. The > > >> message says that I need to run 'sudo > > >> /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" - which I have done. Even > > >> after running this, I still get the encryption error. > > >> > > >> Can anyone suggest a fix? > > > > > > This problem with Kaffeine was discussed a while back, and I did get > > > Kaffeine working on my Hardy heron install. You need to make sure that > > > you have the libdvdcss2 package installed, so that encrypted DVD's can > > > be decrypted. Even after installing the package you may still get the > > > above message, which is misleading as to the actual problem. You can > > > get libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repo, details below if you dont have > > > it in /etc/apt/sources.list. > > > > > > Go to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu , and add the repos > > > for your as directed for your Kubuntu version. > > > > > > Then do an apt-get install medibuntu-keyring , which will install the > > > GPG key for the repo. > > > > > > I got my Kaffeine playing DVD's, after installing libdvdcss2, by > > > renaming the ~/.xine file, and restarting Kaffeine, which then created > > > a new .xine file. Saying that though, I may have had to do that a > > > couple of times, as I see I have 2 backups for .xine, and possibly > > > rebooted as well. I remember having to go through the hoops a bit, to > > > get Kaffeine working with DVD's. > > > > > > Something else I remember from the earlier kaffeine thread, was to do > > > with Kaffeine not finding the optical drive, which is why the error > > > message displayed. My Kaffeine >Settings > xine Engine Parameters > > > >media, shows the dvd device as /dev/dvd. Have a look in /dev, and see > > > which block device /dev/dvd is pointing to. Mine in Hardy Heron is > > > pointing to scd0, which is correct. > > > > > > That will do for now. Post back please. > > > > > > Which Kubuntu version have you installed, and was this an upgrade, or a > > > fresh install? > > > > > > All the best. > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > All what has been said was true but it was only a patch. The end > > solution was this and it is very easy to do, IF this is your problem. > > If not it is easy to undo this fix too and get back to us. The rest is > > a repost: > > > > The best thing to do is leave all those packages the way they were at > > first and just remove > > (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file > > called > > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > > Then reboot your computer. > > All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems > > and will make ALL the software work. > > I saw both of your posts at once, so I hadn't made the first change. I did > rename the file as you suggested and rebooted. I *DO* have libdvdcss2 > installed (I just check Adept to be sure). After the reboot, I tried to > play the DVD again, and again got the message "This DVD is encrypted, ,,," > again. I only got into Kaffeine, and playing DVD's, from folks not being able to play DVD's on Kaffeine on a previous thread. I got Kaffeine playing DVD's, but normally use VLC for playing DVD's. I did see some folks that were trying to get Kaffeine to play DVD's, and even with all the suggestions, failed to resolve the problem. I'm not knocking Kaffeine, but if all you want is to play your DVD's, just install VLC. I know this works ok, and you already have libdvdcss installed (which is required). I got Kaffeine playing DVD's, others got it working using Knapp's suggestion, but I did see other folks on the earlier Kaffeine thread not resolving the problem. All a bit puzzling, but I suppose that is par for the course when working with computers. Nigel. From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 23:51:18 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:51:18 +1100 Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up Message-ID: Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the dial-up using the amount have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store all this info for counting purposes. _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: