From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 03:39:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:39:16 -0300 Subject: Skype replacement References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White : >> I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. >> I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, and >> just >> foud out that SKIPE is >> *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* > > Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all > proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating > system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been > accused of having backdoors. ... > In any case, Skype is a network application. Always assume that every > node along the network is sniffing. > Precisely. I don't know or care whether skype has any such module, because it doesn't matter. Various government agencies _do_ monitor phone calls and the Internet. We know the Chinese monitor the Internet in great detail. There's nothing that Skype could grab from your conversations that the NSA or MI6 or Maxwell Smart can't pull directly from the 'net. Now, if Skype had some secret module that turned on your microphone and bugged your home, _that_ would be scary. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 03:39:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:39:59 -0300 Subject: Skype replacement References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2185370.IEl9oVOvT5@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > The only thing that keeps the government from knowing everything about > everything you do is that they don't want to know. If they do you will > loose. Think of it this way. How can you stop them from walking into > your house when you are not there and replacing part of your computer > or the whole thing save the HD?? You would never know and that is just > the low tech approach. Thing is they most likely don't care at all > what you do. I've always been afraid of that... It's so sad to not matter :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 03:32:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:32:42 -0300 Subject: saving package list References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> <48BA6A59.5050304@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <1650361.TIOqP80o8U@cedar.serverforest.com> Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Guys, > If you copy the contents of "/var/cache/apt/archives" & "sudo dpkg -i > *.deb" you should get all the packages installed that are in that > directory. There's absolutely no guarantee that all of your packages are _in_ /var/cache/apt/archives. Mine certainly aren't. dpkg keeps the list, I believe, in /var/lib/dkpg/status -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 03:42:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:42:13 -0300 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one References: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> John Hubbard wrote: > jhubbard at jhubbard-server:~$ w > 10:54:48 up 32 days, 2:45, 2 users, load average: 0.32, 0.27, 0.16 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT > jhubbard :0 - Mon21 ?xdm? 14:52 0.10s /bin/sh > /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc > > Why does the w command list that I have two users currently logged in > but only show one. I realize that there are actually many more than 2 > users logged in (all users with a uid <1000) but either all or none of > them should be shown. > Beats me - my system tells me 2, also, but there really are - I have this session on ":0" and a console login on tty1, and w shows both. -- derek From spwhite at freesurf.ch Mon Sep 1 04:02:38 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:02:38 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809010602.39174.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Sunday 31 August 2008 18:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > foud out that SKIPE  is > > *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* > > Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all > proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating > system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been > accused of having backdoors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software. That was one link provided by Edmund. [snip] > you should google the underhanded C contest and see that these > backdoors can exist in FOSS software as well. Only more difficult to hide. I also read about how SKYPE has an obfuscated code to hinder retro-engeneering. > > In any case, Skype is a network application. Always assume that every > node along the network is sniffing. Right, I knew that and I wonder why I overreacted to the mere fact that the sniffing was built in the program. Perhaps this is somewhat more efficient than network sniffing. > Knap said: > The only thing that keeps the government from knowing everything about > everything you do is that they don't want to know. In Switzerland we had a police file scandal when it turned out a huge number of people were "filed" for just any reason (on saturdays he stays bare-chested in his garden...) At that time the bigger the file, the less usefull it could be. Now with modern computing... I guess we shall all live happily in this Brave New World. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #198: Post-it Note Sludge leaked into the monitor From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 04:59:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:59:10 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200809010602.39174.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> <200809010602.39174.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00808312159s5f899495w6ef1776d9171c5f5@mail.gmail.com> I added this comment about the supposed government interception module to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_VoIP_software#Skype_hidden_Government_Interception_Module I would appreciate it if knowledgable people would comment before I commit the change. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 1 05:48:55 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:48:55 +0200 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <48BB0EBE.8010502@earthlink.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <1220171721.16821.114.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48BB0EBE.8010502@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809010748.55262.kassube@gmx.net> John Heinen wrote: > Aha, I am getting there, thanks for getting me on the way, but if I > would have asked you the way to Washington DC , you could say " just > take your car and drive east ." > So, where do I go and find this 'wvdial' ? Go to system?, click on > computer?, click on network?, click on ? and on? Good point. Wvdial is a CLI program, i.e. you have to open a terminal and type the command wvdial. However that isn't exactly true as well because first you would have to configure the modem. I just connected my old 56k modem and tested how it works - you need this command: sudo wvdialconf The modem was connected via a serial <-> USB converter and it was found at the right port /dev/ttyUSB0 without extra input and I didn't need an init string because the configuration program is "intelligent" enough. Probably it will find your modem as well without extra input. However I didn't test how to setup and connect to a provider because I don't have a dialin provider any longer. If you really want to use wvdial, you will have to look at the documentation. You can use the command man -a wvdial wvdialconf wvdial.conf to read a lot of info which will hopefully get you started. Or you can read the individual man page sections if you enter "#wvdial" etc. into the address bar of konqueror. And now you can probably forget (nearly?) all of what I wrote before because I would recommend to use the program kppp instead. It is a GUI program and is probably easier to setup. You can find it in the internet section of the K-menu. In the configuration of kppp you have to select the port for your modem (/dev/ttyACM0) and again I didn't need an init string for the modem. The rest should be more or less obvious. And now I'll put that old modem away again :) > I won't quit though, because some day I too will be a full fledged > Linux operator, click here, click there, and finally get to where I > want to be. Please don't take this as being sarcastic, no, absolutely > no, I and many others appreciate your input. Grandpa I don't take it as being sarcastic. Sometimes I (and probably others here as well) need a reminder that what is obvious to me isn't obvious to everybody. Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 08:03:21 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:03:21 +0200 Subject: distribution lists missing after upgrade to KDE 3.5.10 Message-ID: <48BBA1C9.2030407@gmail.com> Running Kubuntu 8,04.1 I upgraded to KDE 3.5.10 last week. Today I notice that my distribution lists are gone or at least nowhere to be found! Version says Kontact 1.29 and Kadressbook 3.5.10. Anyone noticed the same or can tell me where they normally "reside" so that I might try and restore (have a backup on external harddisk)? Regards, Sinclair From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 08:58:25 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:58:25 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White : > >>> I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. >>> I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, and >>> just >>> foud out that SKIPE is >>> *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* >> >> Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all >> proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating >> system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been >> accused of having backdoors. > ... >> In any case, Skype is a network application. Always assume that every >> node along the network is sniffing. >> > Precisely. I don't know or care whether skype has any such module, because > it doesn't matter. Various government agencies _do_ monitor phone calls > and the Internet. We know the Chinese monitor the Internet in great > detail. There's nothing that Skype could grab from your conversations that > the NSA or MI6 or Maxwell Smart can't pull directly from the 'net. > I don't think it's that easy to just sniff the net for skype calls and get any usefully info from that. For what i know the skype protocol uses RSA for key negotiation and AES to encrypt the conversation. So without the keys or some program/access to the "end-points" of the conversations i don't think you can listen to the call. / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 09:03:03 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:03:03 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Knapp wrote: > Hello, it seems on upgrade my Kaffeine player is broken. When I play a > dvd it pops up with DVD is encrypted etc. > I have CSS installed and that is not the real problem. It seems on > looking closer that the dvd is now on scd0 and not on cd0 like the > program expects and this is making the error. If I change the device > to the right one, the DVD will play just fine but I must use VLC to do > that, I can't do it in Kaffeine. VLC reports the same problem if I > don't change it. > > So this is a problem somewhere under these players. Any ideas what is > going on here? > > Thanks ALL! > ANYONE??? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 09:34:52 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:34:52 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809011134.52115.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday, 01 September 2008 11:03:03 Knapp wrote: > > looking closer that the dvd is now on scd0 and not on cd0 like the > ANYONE??? I dunno from anything, but what about a link in /dev sudo ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cd0 But be carefull that /dev/cd0 does not exist already. And check my ln syntax! Best guess, hth, \d From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 09:27:28 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:27:28 +0300 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BBB580.5060802@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020103050809090108030809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Knapp wrote: >> Hello, it seems on upgrade my Kaffeine player is broken. When I play a= >> dvd it pops up with DVD is encrypted etc. >> I have CSS installed and that is not the real problem. It seems on >> looking closer that the dvd is now on scd0 and not on cd0 like the >> program expects and this is making the error. If I change the device >> to the right one, the DVD will play just fine but I must use VLC to do= >> that, I can't do it in Kaffeine. VLC reports the same problem if I >> don't change it. >> >> So this is a problem somewhere under these players. Any ideas what is >> going on here? >> >> Thanks ALL! >> >=20 > ANYONE??? >=20 >=20 i hope someone on the list can tell me if this suggestion is safe or not, it's just an idea, doing a "sudo ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cd0" this will create a /dev/cd0 that is a link to /dev/scd0, but like i said, i'm not sure that's safe --=20 Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net --------------020103050809090108030809 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="w_hamra1987.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="w_hamra1987.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOldpbGx5IEhhbXJhDQpuOkhhbXJhO1dpbGx5DQplbWFpbDtpbnRl cm5ldDp3LmhhbXJhMTk4N0BnbWFpbC5jb20NCngtbW96aWxsYS1odG1sOkZBTFNFDQp2ZXJz aW9uOjIuMQ0KZW5kOnZjYXJkDQoNCg== --------------020103050809090108030809-- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra wrote: > Donn wrote: >> On Monday, 01 September 2008 11:03:03 Knapp wrote: >>>> looking closer that the dvd is now on scd0 and not on cd0 like the >>> ANYONE??? >> I dunno from anything, but what about a link in /dev >> >> sudo ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cd0 >> >> But be carefull that /dev/cd0 does not exist already. And check my ln syntax! >> >> Best guess, >> hth, >> \d >> > > argh, i suggested this method a couple of minutes after you, lol, didn't > notice your email! lol > > -- > Willy K. Hamra This redirection may work but why the problem in the first place? What makes dev files? There must be a config somewhere. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 09:47:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:47:09 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809011134.52115.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48BBB60A.9060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Donn wrote: >>> On Monday, 01 September 2008 11:03:03 Knapp wrote: >>>>> looking closer that the dvd is now on scd0 and not on cd0 like the >>>> ANYONE??? >>> I dunno from anything, but what about a link in /dev >>> >>> sudo ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cd0 >>> >>> But be carefull that /dev/cd0 does not exist already. And check my ln syntax! >>> >>> Best guess, >>> hth, >>> \d >>> >> >> argh, i suggested this method a couple of minutes after you, lol, didn't >> notice your email! lol >> >> -- >> Willy K. Hamra > > This redirection may work but why the problem in the first place? What > makes dev files? There must be a config somewhere. Is this all correct?? # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/sda7 UUID=6d02b2c5-6b57-44ed-89f0-141afc6ca8de / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # /dev/sda6 UUID=4f9b82bd-3d8c-46c8-950a-4a8acc86df87 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 # /dev/sda5 UUID=79B2-0C4E /windows vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 # /dev/sda8 UUID=578be745-0d4a-413c-8de2-48e0aa6cd074 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 10:46:20 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:46:20 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809011134.52115.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48BBB60A.9060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/1 Knapp : > > This redirection may work but why the problem in the first place? What > makes dev files? There must be a config somewhere. > The dev files is created by the UDEV daemon and it's getting it's information about the hardware from HAL (Some devices is copied from /lib/udev/devices to /dev early at boot before udev is started). The UDEV config and rule files is located under /etc/udev. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 10:51:54 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:51:54 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809011134.52115.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48BBB60A.9060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/1 Knapp : > /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 > You can have it but you don't need to. I have comment it out and letting HAL do the automounting and have not had any problems for over a year. / Jonas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:02:12 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:02:12 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <48BBB60A.9060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809011402.12128.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday, 01 September 2008 11:35:52 Knapp wrote: > This redirection may work but why the problem in the first place? What > makes dev files? There must be a config somewhere. Yeah, it's lipstick on a pig but I don't know anything about HAL etc. \d From pandarsson at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 12:10:05 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:10:05 -0500 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Monday 01 September 2008 4:47:09 am Knapp wrote: > Is this all correct?? > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > # /dev/sda7 > UUID=6d02b2c5-6b57-44ed-89f0-141afc6ca8de / ext3 > defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 > # /dev/sda6 > UUID=4f9b82bd-3d8c-46c8-950a-4a8acc86df87 /home ext3 > defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sda5 > UUID=79B2-0C4E /windows vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 > 1 # /dev/sda8 > UUID=578be745-0d4a-413c-8de2-48e0aa6cd074 none swap sw > 0 0 > /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 I might be totally off base here as I haven't messed with motherboards or controller cards for quite a while, but is it even possible to have both an hda and an sda? I experienced a problem while installing another distro where the installation CD was loading the wrong kernel module for my chipset and it interpreted my hda as sda (and so forth) and was therefore was unable to mount anything until I changed the module. Unless I'm completely wrong, I would say that last line stands out as being out of sequence. Unless you can have both (and if that s in sda stands for scsi, I can understand that), it shouldn't even be the "a" drive. From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:21:28 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:21:28 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > On Monday 01 September 2008 4:47:09 am Knapp wrote: >> Is this all correct?? >> >> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> # >> # >> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 >> # /dev/sda7 >> UUID=6d02b2c5-6b57-44ed-89f0-141afc6ca8de / ext3 >> defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 >> # /dev/sda6 >> UUID=4f9b82bd-3d8c-46c8-950a-4a8acc86df87 /home ext3 >> defaults 0 2 >> # /dev/sda5 >> UUID=79B2-0C4E /windows vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 >> 1 # /dev/sda8 >> UUID=578be745-0d4a-413c-8de2-48e0aa6cd074 none swap sw >> 0 0 >> /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 > > I might be totally off base here as I haven't messed with motherboards or > controller cards for quite a while, but is it even possible to have both an > hda and an sda? I experienced a problem while installing another distro where > the installation CD was loading the wrong kernel module for my chipset and it > interpreted my hda as sda (and so forth) and was therefore was unable to mount > anything until I changed the module. Unless I'm completely wrong, I would say > that last line stands out as being out of sequence. Unless you can have both > (and if that s in sda stands for scsi, I can understand that), it shouldn't > even be the "a" drive. My board is a Asus M2N-E http://www.de.gentoo-wiki.com/ASUS_M2N-E It has IDE (DVD) and SATA (hda) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:23:38 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:23:38 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > My board is a Asus M2N-E > http://www.de.gentoo-wiki.com/ASUS_M2N-E > > > It has IDE (DVD) and SATA (xxx) Sorry that is wrong! Sata (sda) > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:39:27 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:39:27 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: douglas at frog:~$ kaffeine click play dvd (BTW What do you guys have for the xine media settings in kaffeine?) douglas at frog:~$ ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376) ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376) ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376) ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376) libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.11.1 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Attempting to use device /dev/sda7 mounted on / for CSS authentication Device dev/sda7 !!!! What the heck? Why?? libdvdread: Could not open /dev/sda7 with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/sda7 for reading libdvdread: Device /dev/sda7 inaccessible, CSS authentication not available. libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device. libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/douglas/.dvdnav/.map' libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.11.1 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Couldn't find device name. libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device. libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/douglas/.dvdnav/.map' libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:40:32 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:40:32 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I forgot, I changed the etc/fdisk settings my commenting it out and it now shows the mount point as /media but the problem is still here. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:55:05 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:55:05 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809010555x278f72a9n329c4863887e7cf0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Jonas Norlander : > I don't think it's that easy to just sniff the net for skype calls and > get any usefully info from that. For what i know the skype protocol > uses RSA for key negotiation and AES to encrypt the conversation. So > without the keys or some program/access to the "end-points" of the > conversations i don't think you can listen to the call. > Unless call initiation is done through a node that you control. Then you can MITM the negotiation and listen in all you want. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 13:07:20 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:07:20 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/1 Constantinos Maltezos : > On Monday 01 September 2008 4:47:09 am Knapp wrote: >> Is this all correct?? >> >> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> # >> # >> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 >> # /dev/sda7 >> UUID=6d02b2c5-6b57-44ed-89f0-141afc6ca8de / ext3 >> defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 >> # /dev/sda6 >> UUID=4f9b82bd-3d8c-46c8-950a-4a8acc86df87 /home ext3 >> defaults 0 2 >> # /dev/sda5 >> UUID=79B2-0C4E /windows vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 >> 1 # /dev/sda8 >> UUID=578be745-0d4a-413c-8de2-48e0aa6cd074 none swap sw >> 0 0 >> /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 > > I might be totally off base here as I haven't messed with motherboards or > controller cards for quite a while, but is it even possible to have both an > hda and an sda? I experienced a problem while installing another distro where > the installation CD was loading the wrong kernel module for my chipset and it > interpreted my hda as sda (and so forth) and was therefore was unable to mount > anything until I changed the module. Unless I'm completely wrong, I would say > that last line stands out as being out of sequence. Unless you can have both > (and if that s in sda stands for scsi, I can understand that), it shouldn't > even be the "a" drive. > In recent kernel (Hardy) both ATA/SATA harddisks and dvd drives show up as scsi devices. The /dev/hda in Knapps fstab is could be a leftover after upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy, is that so Knapp? / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 13:08:21 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:08:21 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: A bit more data. When I place a dvd in the player it pops up a dvd icon on the desktop with the following info. Gereral Type DVD video Disk location / (media) size meta info medium information Device Node /dev/scd0 Mounting check on access time updates mountpoint /media/ check on mount as user. Filesystem udf all other boxes uncheck. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 13:16:16 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:16:16 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player In-Reply-To: References: <200809010710.06063.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > In recent kernel (Hardy) both ATA/SATA harddisks and dvd drives show > up as scsi devices. The /dev/hda in Knapps fstab is could be a > leftover after upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy, is that so Knapp? > > / Jonas I did upgrade. And have done so many times. At one point I did a fresh install but I am not sure anymore when that was. It might have been with gutsy but I kept my /home intact. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au Mon Sep 1 13:37:41 2008 From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:37:41 +1000 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. Message-ID: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. I started a thread on the forum regarding this, but gave up, as either it worked for them, and they couldn't understand my problem. Or they did not have a clue what could be wrong. Certainly in the land of oz it is it is beyond a joke. It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, and enalind user video and cd makes not a scrap of difference. If one plays it first as a root GUI login, logs out and then logs in as user it then plays, until you reboot of course then back to silly "this DVD is encrypted" despite libdvdcss2 being installed. It will also play a DVD if one boots with it in the drive, but not any other one may care to try in that session. Fortunately VLC does not succumb to this silly error, and plays OK. Its stuff like this that makes su and sudo a real nuisance. Wish I could excise the silly sudo su stuff from Kubuntu, and make it act like its parent Debian which keeps it black and white user or root, which keeps it much simpler, and none of this kaffeine borking stuff. Strangely Gutsy had no such Kaffeine behavior, but in Ibex Kaffeine is also borked with the less than optimal KDE 4.01. Regards Rod From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 13:51:20 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:51:20 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rod Lovett wrote: > Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. > > I started a thread on the forum regarding this, but gave up, > as either it worked for them, and they couldn't understand my problem. > Or they did not have a clue what could be wrong. > Certainly in the land of oz it is it is beyond a joke. > It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, > and enalind user video and cd makes not a scrap of difference. > If one plays it first as a root GUI login, logs out and > then logs in as user it then plays, until you reboot of course > then back to silly "this DVD is encrypted" despite libdvdcss2 being > installed. > It will also play a DVD if one boots with it in the drive, but not any > other one may care to try in that session. > Fortunately VLC does not succumb to this silly error, and plays OK. > Its stuff like this that makes su and sudo a real nuisance. > > Wish I could excise the silly sudo su stuff from Kubuntu, and make it > act like its parent Debian which keeps it black and white user or root, > which keeps it much simpler, and none of this kaffeine borking stuff. > > Strangely Gutsy had no such Kaffeine behavior, but in Ibex Kaffeine is > also borked with the less than optimal KDE 4.01. > Regards > Rod Rob, I just fixed it with kaffeine by clicking on settings xine engine and then media. Then I changed all the devices to dev/scd0. It now works. I have not rebooted yet. I wlll let you know if it breaks otherwise it is working!! BTW I had that same behavior with restarting KDE and all that. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 14:00:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:00:07 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <880dece00809010700n542e5663x538780e93f4956e6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Rod Lovett : > Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. > > I started a thread on the forum regarding this, but gave up, > as either it worked for them, and they couldn't understand my problem. > Or they did not have a clue what could be wrong. > Certainly in the land of oz it is it is beyond a joke. > It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, > and enalind user video and cd makes not a scrap of difference. > If one plays it first as a root GUI login, logs out and > then logs in as user it then plays, until you reboot of course > then back to silly "this DVD is encrypted" despite libdvdcss2 being > installed. > It will also play a DVD if one boots with it in the drive, but not any > other one may care to try in that session. > Fortunately VLC does not succumb to this silly error, and plays OK. > Its stuff like this that makes su and sudo a real nuisance. > > Wish I could excise the silly sudo su stuff from Kubuntu, and make it > act like its parent Debian which keeps it black and white user or root, > which keeps it much simpler, and none of this kaffeine borking stuff. > > Strangely Gutsy had no such Kaffeine behavior, but in Ibex Kaffeine is > also borked with the less than optimal KDE 4.01. Rod, I opened this mail with the intention of triaging your condition, but you bury your content in adjectives and irrelevant details. Please tell us what you did, what happened, and what you expected to happen. I'll take it from there. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 14:24:47 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:24:47 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809010700n542e5663x538780e93f4956e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010700n542e5663x538780e93f4956e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/1 Rod Lovett : >> Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. >> >> I started a thread on the forum regarding this, but gave up, >> as either it worked for them, and they couldn't understand my problem. >> Or they did not have a clue what could be wrong. >> Certainly in the land of oz it is it is beyond a joke. >> It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, >> and enalind user video and cd makes not a scrap of difference. >> If one plays it first as a root GUI login, logs out and >> then logs in as user it then plays, until you reboot of course >> then back to silly "this DVD is encrypted" despite libdvdcss2 being >> installed. >> It will also play a DVD if one boots with it in the drive, but not any >> other one may care to try in that session. >> Fortunately VLC does not succumb to this silly error, and plays OK. >> Its stuff like this that makes su and sudo a real nuisance. >> >> Wish I could excise the silly sudo su stuff from Kubuntu, and make it >> act like its parent Debian which keeps it black and white user or root, >> which keeps it much simpler, and none of this kaffeine borking stuff. >> >> Strangely Gutsy had no such Kaffeine behavior, but in Ibex Kaffeine is >> also borked with the less than optimal KDE 4.01. > > Rod, I opened this mail with the intention of triaging your condition, > but you bury your content in adjectives and irrelevant details. Please > tell us what you did, what happened, and what you expected to happen. > I'll take it from there. Thanks. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Dotan, it seems his problem is exactly the same as mine and he is fed up with it. I understand but I think he is wrong about the sudo and su thing. It is just a problem that looks like that because the error message is totally wrong. The problem is with the kaffiene program looking at the wrong drive for some reason that seem to have to do with the upgrade to 8.04. I would bet what I told him fixes his problem unless his dvd player is not on dev/scd0 like mine is. Computers can REALLY piss people off. It used to be in NY city when the stock market crashed people throw themselves out the windows, now they throw the computers out. :-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 14:36:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:36:32 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> Rod Lovett wrote: > Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. > > I started a thread on the forum regarding this, but gave up, > as either it worked for them, and they couldn't understand my problem. I'd go with the latter. You _really_ need to try to write comprehensible English. > Or they did not have a clue what could be wrong. > Certainly in the land of oz it is it is beyond a joke. Does that mean anything? > It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, Why are you even _using_ sudo? Kaffeine is a user-executable program, and even if you _did_ need root privilege, you shouldn't be doing it via sudo - you use kdesudo for gui apps. > and enalind user video and cd makes not a scrap of difference. Again, that sentence makes no sense. > If one plays it first as a root GUI login, logs out and > then logs in as user it then plays, until you reboot of course > then back to silly "this DVD is encrypted" despite libdvdcss2 being > installed. Region codes? > It will also play a DVD if one boots with it in the drive, but not any > other one may care to try in that session. Another sentence that makes no sense. > Fortunately VLC does not succumb to this silly error, and plays OK. > Its stuff like this that makes su and sudo a real nuisance. What does sudo have to do with it? You know - you'd probably get the problem fixed a whole lot sooner if you actually explained what happens when it doesn't work. As it is, I'll take a leap and suggest you check your home directory for hidden files or directories owned by root. If you run gui apps via sudo, it has a habit of creating config files that can no longer be accessed by the program when run as a normal user - so don't do it. fwiw, Kaffeine in 8.04 is certainly not borked. I've yet to find a DVD I couldn't play. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 14:44:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:44:17 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010700n542e5663x538780e93f4956e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1433586.SSxHtAqCcN@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> Rod, I opened this mail with the intention of triaging your condition, >> but you bury your content in adjectives and irrelevant details. Please >> tell us what you did, what happened, and what you expected to happen. >> I'll take it from there. Thanks. >> snippage of .sigs Douglas - it's nice to see bottom posting, but please snip the sigs :-) > Dotan, it seems his problem is exactly the same as mine and he is fed > up with it. I understand but I think he is wrong about the sudo and su > thing. It is just a problem that looks like that because the error > message is totally wrong. The problem is with the kaffiene program > looking at the wrong drive for some reason that seem to have to do > with the upgrade to 8.04. I would bet what I told him fixes his > problem unless his dvd player is not on dev/scd0 like mine is. I'm glad you could make something of it, because I had the same frustration as Dotan. As you describe your fix, I suspect you're right - it sounds like if there's a DVD in the drive, it gets mounted by the "mount -a" that happens at boot time, and then Kaffeine can see it, but a user doesn't have mount privilege on the same device. If so, then in addition to what you've done, I'd suggest you both should check /etc/fstab to ensure that the correct device is mentioned there. > Computers can REALLY piss people off. It used to be in NY city when > the stock market crashed people throw themselves out the windows, now > they throw the computers out. :-) I _suppose_ that's a healthier reaction :-) -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 14:52:41 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:52:41 +0200 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48BBFBCC.2070907@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <48BAB34C.1000704@verizon.net> <48BBFBCC.2070907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Michael wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Lindsay Mathieson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This has what to do with Kubuntu? >>>> -- >>>> Lindsay Mathieson >>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/albu >>> Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights >> >> That's a stretch... >> > > Not really. Check out http://www.ubuntu.org/ (.org not .com) > > Whats his name from Canonical (the maker/sponsor of *buntu) is some far > left, bleeding heart liberal who is all into sitting around holding > hands and chanting kum ba yah . . . Assuming you are talking about Mark Shuttleworth, where do you see his name on that site? This is more about him. Also why call him names? He helps people. What is wrong with that? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/biography -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 1 15:05:15 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:05:15 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky Message-ID: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure enough changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but there's a new problem. Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 15:07:52 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:07:52 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010700n542e5663x538780e93f4956e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809010807n731ddecbn3bc544fb9ec21fed@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Knapp : > Dotan, it seems his problem is exactly the same as mine and he is fed > up with it. I understand but I think he is wrong about the sudo and su > thing. It is just a problem that looks like that because the error > message is totally wrong. The problem is with the kaffiene program > looking at the wrong drive for some reason that seem to have to do > with the upgrade to 8.04. I would bet what I told him fixes his > problem unless his dvd player is not on dev/scd0 like mine is. > > Computers can REALLY piss people off. It used to be in NY city when > the stock market crashed people throw themselves out the windows, now > they throw the computers out. :-) > I did see your recent post, and I wanted to be sure this is the same issue before I go on. I know that computers are frustrating, but I was not commenting on his frustration. Rather, I was having a hard time digging out the issue from the cruft. No offence to the OP, I was just trying to help. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 15:09:54 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:09:54 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >> It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, > > Why are you even _using_ sudo? Kaffeine is a user-executable program, and > even if you _did_ need root privilege, you shouldn't be doing it via sudo - > you use kdesudo for gui apps. > In another thread the OP had to create a symlink to the cdrom drive. Naturally, that is done as root. Apearently there are situations in which Kaffiene cannot find the cdrom drive. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From ender8282 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 16:06:56 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:06:56 -0700 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one In-Reply-To: <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48BC1320.2080007@yahoo.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > John Hubbard wrote: > > >> jhubbard at jhubbard-server:~$ w >> 10:54:48 up 32 days, 2:45, 2 users, load average: 0.32, 0.27, 0.16 >> USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT >> jhubbard :0 - Mon21 ?xdm? 14:52 0.10s /bin/sh >> /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc >> >> Why does the w command list that I have two users currently logged in >> but only show one. I realize that there are actually many more than 2 >> users logged in (all users with a uid <1000) but either all or none of >> them should be shown. >> >> > > Beats me - my system tells me 2, also, but there really are - I have this > session on ":0" and a console login on tty1, and w shows both. > It does scale properly. If I add an ssh login or a tty# login it still shows expected logins +1. Is it possible that I have been hacked? I have a few ports open to the internet. I have trimmed this back to only include 22 (SSH) but for a while ports 20~23 (ftp, ssh, telnet), 8080 (apache2), and 6881 (ktorrent) were open. I plan to reboot in a little while but I am always sad to see the uptime drop back down to 0. -- -john There are only 10 kinds of people, Those who understand binary and those who don't. From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:04:23 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:04:23 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >>> It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, >> >> Why are you even _using_ sudo? Kaffeine is a user-executable program, and >> even if you _did_ need root privilege, you shouldn't be doing it via sudo - >> you use kdesudo for gui apps. >> > > In another thread the OP had to create a symlink to the cdrom drive. > Naturally, that is done as root. Apearently there are situations in > which Kaffiene cannot find the cdrom drive. > > -- > Dotan Cohen I did not use the link idea because I saw it is a patch to whatever the real problem is. I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was called hd0 and now is called scd0. Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and has not been updated to look for scd0. When you do update it everything is then fine. All this seems to be related to fdisk settings being outdated do to the new use off HAL or something like that that automatically sets up the fdisk stuff at boot. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:10:05 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:10:05 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I > had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about > dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure enough > changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but there's > a new problem. > > Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial > media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there > shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive > light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system there are a lot of choices. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:16:13 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:16:13 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Knapp : > I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was > called hd0 and now is called scd0. Correct me if I am wrong, but hd0 sounds like an IDE device whereas scd0 sounds like a SATA device. Is your comment about ubuntu < 8.04 calling the cdrom hd0 and ubuntu >= 8.04 calling the cdrom scd0 tested on the same hardware? > Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and > has not been updated to look for scd0. Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From hensandpat at earthlink.net Mon Sep 1 16:19:30 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:19:30 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <200809010748.55262.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <1220171721.16821.114.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48BB0EBE.8010502@earthlink.net> <200809010748.55262.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48BC1612.7020608@earthlink.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > John Heinen wrote: > >> Aha, I am getting there, thanks for getting me on the way, but if I >> would have asked you the way to Washington DC , you could say " just >> take your car and drive east ." >> So, where do I go and find this 'wvdial' ? Go to system?, click on >> computer?, click on network?, click on ? and on? >> > > Good point. Wvdial is a CLI program, i.e. you have to open a terminal and > type the command wvdial. However that isn't exactly true as well because > first you would have to configure the modem. I just connected my old 56k > modem and tested how it works - you need this command: > > sudo wvdialconf > > The modem was connected via a serial <-> USB converter and it was found at > the right port /dev/ttyUSB0 without extra input and I didn't need an init > string because the configuration program is "intelligent" enough. > Probably it will find your modem as well without extra input. However I > didn't test how to setup and connect to a provider because I don't have a > dialin provider any longer. If you really want to use wvdial, you will > have to look at the documentation. You can use the command > > man -a wvdial wvdialconf wvdial.conf > > to read a lot of info which will hopefully get you started. Or you can > read the individual man page sections if you enter "#wvdial" etc. into > the address bar of konqueror. > > And now you can probably forget (nearly?) all of what I wrote before > because I would recommend to use the program kppp instead. It is a GUI > program and is probably easier to setup. You can find it in the internet > section of the K-menu. In the configuration of kppp you have to select > the port for your modem (/dev/ttyACM0) and again I didn't need an init > string for the modem. The rest should be more or less obvious. And now > I'll put that old modem away again :) > > >> I won't quit though, because some day I too will be a full fledged >> Linux operator, click here, click there, and finally get to where I >> want to be. Please don't take this as being sarcastic, no, absolutely >> no, I and many others appreciate your input. Grandpa >> > > I don't take it as being sarcastic. Sometimes I (and probably others here > as well) need a reminder that what is obvious to me isn't obvious to > everybody. > > > Nils > > Geat guy, thanks. I'll get back to you after a few days. J.H. From hensandpat at earthlink.net Mon Sep 1 16:22:15 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:22:15 -0500 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48BC16B7.5070806@earthlink.net> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >>> 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White : >>> >>>> I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. >>>> I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, and >>>> just >>>> foud out that SKIPE is >>>> *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* >>>> >>> Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all >>> proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating >>> system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been >>> accused of having backdoors. >>> >> ... >> >>> In any case, Skype is a network application. Always assume that every >>> node along the network is sniffing. >>> >>> >> Precisely. I don't know or care whether skype has any such module, because >> it doesn't matter. Various government agencies _do_ monitor phone calls >> and the Internet. We know the Chinese monitor the Internet in great >> detail. There's nothing that Skype could grab from your conversations that >> the NSA or MI6 or Maxwell Smart can't pull directly from the 'net. >> >> > > I don't think it's that easy to just sniff the net for skype calls and > get any usefully info from that. For what i know the skype protocol > uses RSA for key negotiation and AES to encrypt the conversation. So > without the keys or some program/access to the "end-points" of the > conversations i don't think you can listen to the call. > > / Jonas > > Put your full name into google, you be surprised. From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:30:34 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:30:34 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Correct me if I am wrong, but hd0 sounds like an IDE device whereas > scd0 sounds like a SATA device. Is your comment about ubuntu < 8.04 > calling the cdrom hd0 and ubuntu >= 8.04 calling the cdrom scd0 tested > on the same hardware? Yes, no hardware changes or bios or anything like that. And the DVD burner is and IDE device. My HD is a Sata device. You can see the details if you like in the other emails from me about this subject including my fdisk file before I commented out the line as suggested. >> Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and >> has not been updated to look for scd0. > > Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? I have no idea what it SHOULD be doing but I know what worked. If you do know what SHOULD be please let me know and I will test it out. > -- > Dotan Cohen -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:47:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:47:48 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809010947g52095aa3g5a66ef2accce4866@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Knapp : > Yes, no hardware changes or bios or anything like that. And the DVD > burner is and IDE device. My HD is a Sata device. You can see the > details if you like in the other emails from me about this subject > including my fdisk file before I commented out the line as suggested. > I won't be able to get you any further than your earlier thread, but you might want to ask on the Debian list. The real hardware gurus hang out there, but make sure when you ask that you state exactly what you did, what happened, and what you expected to happen. Also detail how you STFW trying to fix it and give details about your hardware. Mention that you are using "a Debian-derived distro: Kubuntu 8.04" to stress that the post is relevant for the Debian list. The Debian list has some terrific brains, but they are not as newbie tolerant as the *buntu lists. For a good reason! >> Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? > > I have no idea what it SHOULD be doing but I know what worked. > > If you do know what SHOULD be please let me know and I will test it out. I could only guess, but most end-user programs look in /mnt as opposed to /dev. I do not know if that is standard, it is just an observation of mine. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 16:53:55 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:53:55 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1531953.dPcgfU8pHj@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >>>> It seems tied up with silly old sudo permissions, >>> >>> Why are you even _using_ sudo? Kaffeine is a user-executable program, >>> and even if you _did_ need root privilege, you shouldn't be doing it via >>> sudo - you use kdesudo for gui apps. >> >> In another thread the OP had to create a symlink to the cdrom drive. >> Naturally, that is done as root. Sure, but then you wouldn't actually run kaffeine as root - this seems to be part of the issue. >> Apearently there are situations in >> which Kaffiene cannot find the cdrom drive. > > I did not use the link idea because I saw it is a patch to whatever > the real problem is. > > I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was > called hd0 and now is called scd0. Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and > has not been updated to look for scd0. When you do update it > everything is then fine. IF that's the situation, it has absolutely nothing to do with 8.04. Depending on your hardware config, that device change may have happened long ago (dapper or edgy, in my case). > All this seems to be related to fdisk settings being outdated do to > the new use off HAL or something like that that automatically sets up > the fdisk stuff at boot. No, nothing like that at all. Not related to hal _or_ fdisk. Just check your fstab. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 16:58:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:58:31 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: >> >> Correct me if I am wrong, but hd0 sounds like an IDE device whereas >> scd0 sounds like a SATA device. Is your comment about ubuntu < 8.04 >> calling the cdrom hd0 and ubuntu >= 8.04 calling the cdrom scd0 tested >> on the same hardware? > > Yes, no hardware changes or bios or anything like that. And the DVD > burner is and IDE device. My HD is a Sata device. You can see the > details if you like in the other emails from me about this subject > including my fdisk file before I commented out the line as suggested. > >>> Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and >>> has not been updated to look for scd0. >> >> Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? Shouldn't think so - I don't have _anything_ in /mnt, but one would expect that to be a mount point, not a device. My xine settings say /dev/cdrom for CD and /dev/dvd for DVD (they both point to the same device). These are stock settings from a gutsy install. -- derek From gloonie at earthlink.net Mon Sep 1 17:09:57 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:09:57 -0400 Subject: kfontview not displaying characters In-Reply-To: References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809011309.57571.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, Does ANYONE else have a problem viewing TTF fonts with kfontview? when I right click on a ttf font and select Open with kfontview, a kfontview window pops up, but no characters are displayed. I can use the fonts in documents and on screen perfectly well. In fact, if I open with the gnome font viewer I can see all the characters. I see periodic postings for this problem, but most people don't seem to have it. It may be the presence of a bad config file somewhere. Any suggestions? this is driving me crazy! I am running kubuntu with KDE 4.1.0 on Hardy, kernel is 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP. kfontview is in the package kdebase-workspace-bin version 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa3. TIA, Glenn -- Glenn R Williams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 17:13:35 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:13:35 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/1 Dotan Cohen : > 2008/9/1 Knapp : >> I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was >> called hd0 and now is called scd0. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but hd0 sounds like an IDE device whereas > scd0 sounds like a SATA device. Is your comment about ubuntu < 8.04 > calling the cdrom hd0 and ubuntu >= 8.04 calling the cdrom scd0 tested > on the same hardware? > >> Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and >> has not been updated to look for scd0. > > Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? > When playing DVD movies or Audio CD there is no mounting, the program is accessing the device directly so they will not show up under /media or /mnt. / Jonas From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 17:13:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:13:51 -0300 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one References: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC1320.2080007@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2735740.PrauehJEDm@cedar.serverforest.com> John Hubbard wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> John Hubbard wrote: >> >>> jhubbard at jhubbard-server:~$ w >>> 10:54:48 up 32 days, 2:45, 2 users, load average: 0.32, 0.27, 0.16 >>> USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT >>> jhubbard :0 - Mon21 ?xdm? 14:52 0.10s /bin/sh >>> /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc >>> >>> Why does the w command list that I have two users currently logged in >>> but only show one. I realize that there are actually many more than 2 >>> users logged in (all users with a uid <1000) but either all or none of >>> them should be shown. >> >> Beats me - my system tells me 2, also, but there really are - I have this >> session on ":0" and a console login on tty1, and w shows both. >> > It does scale properly. If I add an ssh login or a tty# login it still > shows expected logins +1. Is it possible that I have been hacked? I have > a few ports open to the internet. I have trimmed this back to only > include 22 (SSH) but for a while ports 20~23 (ftp, ssh, telnet), 8080 > (apache2), and 6881 (ktorrent) were open. I plan to reboot in a little > while but I am always sad to see the uptime drop back down to 0. I don't really know, because I'd never heard of 'w' until you asked, but what does "ps a" show you? You should see tty1-tty6, which are running either /sbin/getty, meaning they're waiting for a login, or some program (usually /bin/login) indicating a logged-in user. If it's running /bin/login, it will also have at the least a process running a login shell. Then you'll have tty7 - and possibly 8-12 - running X (as root), on which your desktop users are logged in. The "pts" sessions shouldn't matter unless they're SSH session - they're terminals inside your destkop. 'w' will show the ssh sessions as "from" somewhere else, anyway. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 17:44:35 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:44:35 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <48BC16B7.5070806@earthlink.net> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> <3299310.hncvh7aQkS@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC16B7.5070806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40809011044x6b53d43ema3e6abf10fd1396a@mail.gmail.com> > Put your full name into google, you be surprised. > seeing my name in google would have been a surprise to me before joining this list, as for now, it is hits from mailing list archive websites, which makes comfortable that wherever i'm mentioned elsewhere, would be hidden by the huge mass of mialing list emails and websites. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 1 17:54:27 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:54:27 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I >> had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about >> dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure enough >> changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but there's >> a new problem. >> >> Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial >> media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there >> shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive >> light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. >> >> -- >> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. >> > > Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for > openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the > best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system > there are a lot of choices. Probably should also say it Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.9 It's an ATI Radeon video card using the ATI drivers. Near as I can figure it out Kaffeine is set to use the default driver/card under xengine parameters. It's the built in video "card" on the mother board. Is there a CLI command that will give me the exact card? It seems that I used to use the fglrx drivers on this computer, but can't guarantee that. That is an option in System settings. The other options listed are fbdev, 8500, and vesa -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 1 18:39:50 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:39:50 +0200 Subject: kubuntu.iso Message-ID: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing when placed in a virgin machine. What can be wrong? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From ender8282 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 19:05:42 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:05:42 -0700 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one In-Reply-To: <2735740.PrauehJEDm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC1320.2080007@yahoo.com> <2735740.PrauehJEDm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48BC3D06.1000809@yahoo.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > > I don't really know, because I'd never heard of 'w' until you asked, but > what does "ps a" show you? You should see tty1-tty6, which are running > either /sbin/getty, meaning they're waiting for a login, or some program > (usually /bin/login) indicating a logged-in user. If it's > running /bin/login, it will also have at the least a process running a > login shell. Then you'll have tty7 - and possibly 8-12 - running X (as > root), on which your desktop users are logged in. The "pts" sessions > shouldn't matter unless they're SSH session - they're terminals inside your > destkop. 'w' will show the ssh sessions as "from" somewhere else, anyway. > 'ps a' shows tty1~6 as expected and it shows tty7 as /usr/bin/X (graphical login)and 2 pts/0 running '/bin/bash' and 'ps a'. It doesn't list who is running any of the commands, or that any other commands are being run. Could this just be a bug in the 'w' command? I get the same users listed with a 'who' command and I see the same number of logged in users with the uptime command. Are these commands using the same underlying code? -- -john There are only 10 kinds of people, Those who understand binary and those who don't. From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:01:01 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:01:01 -0400 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48BC3BED.6060501@gmail.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing > when placed in a virgin machine. > What can be wrong? Did you check the MDsum to make sure the disk itself is good? And why are you trying to mount it? It should be used as a boot disk. Eric > From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Mon Sep 1 19:05:20 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:05:20 -0400 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48BC3CF0.9040103@ajinfosearch.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing > when placed in a virgin machine. > What can be wrong? > Did you set the computer's BIOS to boot from CD? What are the hardware specs? Alan -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From admin at asaguiar.med.br Mon Sep 1 19:07:59 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:07:59 -0300 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809011607.59757@portatil01> Em Segunda 01 Set 2008 às 15:39, Peter Klaassen declarou solenemente: > What can be wrong? Boot order in the machine setup. Maybe? Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- I never resist temptation because I have found that things that are bad for me do not tempt me. -- George Bernard Shaw, The Apple Cart (1930) From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 1 19:17:31 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:17:31 +0200 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <48BC3BED.6060501@gmail.com> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48BC3BED.6060501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809012117.33158.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Monday 01 September 2008 21:01:01 schreef Eric: > Peter Klaassen wrote: > > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com > > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. > > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing > > when placed in a virgin machine. > > What can be wrong? > > Did you check the MDsum to make sure the disk itself is good? K3b does that and accepted the iso. > > And why are you trying to mount it? Just to check it. > It should be used as a boot disk. I tried to boot the disk, where other live cd's donot have any problem -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From raeknouhl at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:24:55 2008 From: raeknouhl at gmail.com (Raeknouhl) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:24:55 +0200 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809012124.55493.raeknouhl@gmail.com> > Peter Klaassen wrote: > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing > when placed in a virgin machine. > What can be wrong? Did you check the BIOS settings and that the CD has no faults? MFG, Raeknouhl From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:25:36 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:25:36 +0200 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one In-Reply-To: <48BC3D06.1000809@yahoo.com> References: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC1320.2080007@yahoo.com> <2735740.PrauehJEDm@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC3D06.1000809@yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/1 John Hubbard : > Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> I don't really know, because I'd never heard of 'w' until you asked, but >> what does "ps a" show you? You should see tty1-tty6, which are running >> either /sbin/getty, meaning they're waiting for a login, or some program >> (usually /bin/login) indicating a logged-in user. If it's >> running /bin/login, it will also have at the least a process running a >> login shell. Then you'll have tty7 - and possibly 8-12 - running X (as >> root), on which your desktop users are logged in. The "pts" sessions >> shouldn't matter unless they're SSH session - they're terminals inside your >> destkop. 'w' will show the ssh sessions as "from" somewhere else, anyway. >> > 'ps a' shows tty1~6 as expected and it shows tty7 as /usr/bin/X > (graphical login)and 2 pts/0 running '/bin/bash' and 'ps a'. It doesn't > list who is running any of the commands, "ps au" will give the users. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:43:23 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:43:23 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1531953.dPcgfU8pHj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <1531953.dPcgfU8pHj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809011243i3167405cv5cdbd5bf4a8e34c3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : > Sure, but then you wouldn't actually run kaffeine as root - this seems to be > part of the issue. I did not realize that is what he was doing. No, Kaffiene should never be run as root. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:47:31 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:47:31 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >>> Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? > > Shouldn't think so - I don't have _anything_ in /mnt, but one would expect > that to be a mount point, not a device. > > My xine settings say /dev/cdrom for CD and /dev/dvd for DVD (they both point > to the same device). These are stock settings from a gutsy install. I may have been thinking in Fedora terms. Here on my Kubuntu box the cdrom is in /media: $ ls /media cdrom cdrom0 In any case, removable storage is usually accessed by user programs outside of /dev, whether it be /media or /mnt or /whatever. Only fixed hardware is generally still accessed from /dev, such as webcams and the like. Again this may not be a hard fast rule, just something that I've observed. I might have my head on backwards in this area though. I'll shut up before someone gets hurt. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From ed.lau at mail.ee Mon Sep 1 19:55:39 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:55:39 +0300 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48BC48BB.5060503@mail.ee> > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing > when placed in a virgin machine. > What can be wrong? Did you check MD5 sum? Check it at: http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/hardy/MD5SUMS More reading at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM From phantom21 at mindspring.com Mon Sep 1 20:01:16 2008 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:01:16 -0400 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <48BC48BB.5060503@mail.ee> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48BC48BB.5060503@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200809011601.17087.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Monday 01 September 2008 03:55:39 pm Edmund Laugasson wrote: > > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com > > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. > > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing > > when placed in a virgin machine. > > What can be wrong? > > Did you check MD5 sum? > > Check it at: > http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/hardy/MD5SUMS > > More reading at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM did you burn it as an iso or simply burn the saved iso file to the CD? Mark From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 20:32:58 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:32:58 -0300 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one References: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> <1375176.0v2U5SQmBe@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC1320.2080007@yahoo.com> <2735740.PrauehJEDm@cedar.serverforest.com> <48BC3D06.1000809@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7078148.hTURxXPyTY@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/1 John Hubbard : >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>> I don't really know, because I'd never heard of 'w' until you asked, but >>> what does "ps a" show you? You should see tty1-tty6, which are running >>> either /sbin/getty, meaning they're waiting for a login, or some program >>> (usually /bin/login) indicating a logged-in user. If it's >>> running /bin/login, it will also have at the least a process running a >>> login shell. Then you'll have tty7 - and possibly 8-12 - running X (as >>> root), on which your desktop users are logged in. The "pts" sessions >>> shouldn't matter unless they're SSH session - they're terminals inside >>> your >>> destkop. 'w' will show the ssh sessions as "from" somewhere else, >>> anyway. >>> >> 'ps a' shows tty1~6 as expected and it shows tty7 as /usr/bin/X >> (graphical login)and 2 pts/0 running '/bin/bash' and 'ps a'. So that's exactly what you'd expect - tty7 is X, pts/0 is a terminal, so runs a shell, and the shell is running the 'ps' command that gave you the output. Nothing whatsoever about another user. >> It doesn't list who is running any of the commands, > > "ps au" will give the users. Yes, but it sounds like he's getting exactly what you'd expect for one user, anyway. I haven't a clue why 'w' says there's another user. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 20:33:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:33:52 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <1531953.dPcgfU8pHj@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011243i3167405cv5cdbd5bf4a8e34c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3044932.4CQ0eEzvht@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >> Sure, but then you wouldn't actually run kaffeine as root - this seems to >> be part of the issue. > > I did not realize that is what he was doing. No, Kaffiene should never > be run as root. Well, given the lack of clarity in the question, perhaps that _isn't_ what he's doing, but that's what it seemed like :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 1 20:38:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:38:08 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6656457.svGX7XxPI5@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >>>> Shouldn't it be looking in /mnt and not in /dev? >> >> Shouldn't think so - I don't have _anything_ in /mnt, but one would >> expect that to be a mount point, not a device. >> >> My xine settings say /dev/cdrom for CD and /dev/dvd for DVD (they both >> point >> to the same device). These are stock settings from a gutsy install. > > I may have been thinking in Fedora terms. Here on my Kubuntu box the > cdrom is in /media: > $ ls /media > cdrom cdrom0 Yes, but that's the mount point - that's where you'll see a filesystem, but as somebody else pointed out, DVDs and Audio CDs don't strictly have a filesystem. > > In any case, removable storage is usually accessed by user programs > outside of /dev, But not by media programs, which usually need to know the device (q.v. k3b or any other burner utility, that - like kaffeine - need to access the device). > whether it be /media or /mnt or /whatever. Only fixed > hardware is generally still accessed from /dev, such as webcams and > the like. Actually, my webcam isn't... :-) It's really not about the type of device, it's what you want to do with it. If you have to access a filesystem on a device, you access its mountpoint. If you have to access the device itself, while you may get it via a symlink, it's the /dev device you talk to. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 22:05:34 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:05:34 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <6656457.svGX7XxPI5@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <6656457.svGX7XxPI5@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809011505n655224eak8a7cd9e929159197@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >> I may have been thinking in Fedora terms. Here on my Kubuntu box the >> cdrom is in /media: >> $ ls /media >> cdrom cdrom0 > > Yes, but that's the mount point - that's where you'll see a filesystem, but > as somebody else pointed out, DVDs and Audio CDs don't strictly have a > filesystem. No, but they are mounted to the system filesystem, and their contents is presented as files, just like everything else (even directories) in Linux. >> In any case, removable storage is usually accessed by user programs >> outside of /dev, > > But not by media programs, which usually need to know the device (q.v. k3b > or any other burner utility, that - like kaffeine - need to access the > device). > I agree the k3b (or rather, the tools that k3b manages) do need to access the device, I do not believe that read-only needs to access the device. Kaffeine only needs the files, which can be represented under a mountpoint on the filesystem. >> whether it be /media or /mnt or /whatever. Only fixed >> hardware is generally still accessed from /dev, such as webcams and >> the like. > > Actually, my webcam isn't... :-) > Interesting. I've had to play around with configuring webcams, and all the ones I have had the misfortune of trying were under /dev. Though, they were all usb devices. I would like to stress that I am not the guru in this department. > It's really not about the type of device, it's what you want to do with it. > If you have to access a filesystem on a device, you access its mountpoint. > If you have to access the device itself, while you may get it via a > symlink, it's the /dev device you talk to. Agreed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 2 01:11:56 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:11:56 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> On Monday 01 September 2008 1:54:27 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I > >> had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about > >> dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure enough > >> changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but there's > >> a new problem. > >> > >> Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial > >> media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there > >> shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive > >> light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. > >> > >> -- > >> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > > > > Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for > > openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the > > best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system > > there are a lot of choices. > > Probably should also say it Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.9 > > It's an ATI Radeon video card using the ATI drivers. Near as I can > figure it out Kaffeine is set to use the default driver/card under > xengine parameters. It's the built in video "card" on the mother board. > > Is there a CLI command that will give me the exact card? > > It seems that I used to use the fglrx drivers on this computer, but > can't guarantee that. That is an option in System settings. The other > options listed are fbdev, 8500, and vesa Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is an example of mine: Section "Device"         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"         Option          "VideoOverlay"  "on"         Driver          "fglrx" Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any choppy video now. -- David M. From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 2 02:02:20 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:02:20 -0400 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48BBFBCC.2070907@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <48BAB34C.1000704@verizon.net> <48BBFBCC.2070907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BC9EAC.2090703@verizon.net> Michael wrote: > > Whats his name from Canonical (the maker/sponsor of *buntu) is some far > left, bleeding heart liberal who is all into sitting around holding > hands and chanting kum ba yah . . . > > ...and I suppose you think he is some kind of sucker for letting you use his distro for free... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au Tue Sep 2 04:16:45 2008 From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:16:45 +1000 Subject: Well done Douglas Message-ID: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> Hi Kubuntu users have been more helpful than the forums. Changing the xine parameters in Kaffeine from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd to dev/scd0 fixed this annoying kaffeine problem. The hdo not being updated to scdo for the storage media was a bit obscure, and hopefully the developers will take note. I'll test with a reboot soon to see if the settings I made persist. Cheers Rod I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was called hd0 and now is called scd0. Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and has not been updated to look for scd0. When you do update it everything is then fine. All this seems to be related to fdisk settings being outdated do to the new use off HAL or something like that that automatically sets up the fdisk stuff at boot. Douglas E Knapp From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 2 04:20:38 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> david wrote: > On Monday 01 September 2008 1:54:27 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>>> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I >>>> had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about >>>> dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure enough >>>> changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but there's >>>> a new problem. >>>> >>>> Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial >>>> media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there >>>> shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive >>>> light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. >>>> >>> Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for >>> openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the >>> best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system >>> there are a lot of choices. >>> >> Probably should also say it Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.9 >> >> It's an ATI Radeon video card using the ATI drivers. Near as I can >> figure it out Kaffeine is set to use the default driver/card under >> xengine parameters. It's the built in video "card" on the mother board. >> >> Is there a CLI command that will give me the exact card? >> >> It seems that I used to use the fglrx drivers on this computer, but >> can't guarantee that. That is an option in System settings. The other >> options listed are fbdev, 8500, and vesa >> > > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is > an example of mine: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > Driver "fglrx" > > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any > choppy video now. > > This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of etc/x11/xorg.conf Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Thats all there is. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From kap4lin at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 04:57:16 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:57:16 -0400 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? Message-ID: Hello All, Due to reason most unfortunate, my evga (nVidia) video card died and I am forced to use an old ATI video card: $ sudo lspci -vv -d 1002:5159 01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 7000 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > david wrote: > >> On Monday 01 September 2008 1:54:27 pm Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> >>> Knapp wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I >>>>> had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about >>>>> dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure enough >>>>> changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but there's >>>>> a new problem. >>>>> >>>>> Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial >>>>> media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there >>>>> shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive >>>>> light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for >>>> openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the >>>> best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system >>>> there are a lot of choices. >>>> >>>> >>> Probably should also say it Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.9 >>> >>> It's an ATI Radeon video card using the ATI drivers. Near as I can >>> figure it out Kaffeine is set to use the default driver/card under >>> xengine parameters. It's the built in video "card" on the mother board. >>> >>> Is there a CLI command that will give me the exact card? >>> >>> It seems that I used to use the fglrx drivers on this computer, but >>> can't guarantee that. That is an option in System settings. The other >>> options listed are fbdev, 8500, and vesa >>> >>> >> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is >> an example of mine: >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >> Driver "fglrx" >> >> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any >> choppy video now. >> >> >> > This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of etc/x11/xorg.conf > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > EndSection > > Thats all there is. > > I just noticed that even the mouse motion is jerky while the DVD is playing. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 06:23:57 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:23:57 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> Message-ID: >> >> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is >> an example of mine: >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >> Driver "fglrx" >> >> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any >> choppy video now. >> >> > This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of etc/x11/xorg.conf > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > EndSection > > Thats all there is. It seems to be that Linux is switching over to totally auto configure instead of using configure files. I don't KNOW this but it seems to be what is happening. My xorg.conf was blank like that too but I had to add a lot. Just be sure to make a backup of the original and then play with it. Did you try David's idea? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au Tue Sep 2 06:28:15 2008 From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:28:15 +1000 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. Message-ID: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. Cheers Rod P.S. This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. FYI there is no such thing as never in a free world and this was but an experiment ly, and merely exhibited the confusion and false trails this scd0 issue has caused users out there. GUI is the future for most users, and as they say in Debian land "if you break it you get to keep both halves" ie caveat emptor, a learning experience. An open mind is like a parachute, it can save one. A closed mind is like a closed parachute---can be disastrous. Best Rod 008/9/1 Derek Broughton : >> Sure, but then you wouldn't actually run kaffeine as root - this seems to >> be part of the issue. > > I did not realize that is what he was doing. No, Kaffiene should never > be run as root. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 06:28:32 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:28:32 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is > an example of mine: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > Driver "fglrx" > > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any > choppy video now. > > -- > David M. Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Sep 2 06:35:21 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:35:21 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Walsh schrieb: > > I just noticed that even the mouse motion is jerky while the DVD is playing. > Hi, just another thought. Maybe a DMA Issue? Is your dvd set to use DMA. to find out, try sudo hdparm /dev/yourDVDdevice Kind regards Eberhard From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 06:49:06 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:49:06 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Rod Lovett wrote: > Hi Kubuntu users have been more helpful than the forums. > Changing the xine parameters in Kaffeine from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd to dev/scd0 fixed this annoying kaffeine problem. > The hdo not being updated to scdo for the storage media was a bit obscure, and hopefully the developers will take note. > I'll test with a reboot soon to see if the settings I made persist. > Cheers > Rod > > > I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was > called hd0 and now is called scd0. Kaffiene is set to look for hdo and > has not been updated to look for scd0. When you do update it > everything is then fine. > All this seems to be related to fdisk settings being outdated do to > the new use off HAL or something like that that automatically sets up > the fdisk stuff at boot. > Douglas E Knapp > Thanks. I still wonder what is really wrong and where but at least Kaffeine works. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 07:10:18 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:10:18 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rod Lovett wrote: > Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from > dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and > survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. > Cheers > Rod Nothing like having the list jump down your throat. I had it happen to me because I happen to like automatix and stood up for a great tool of it's time. LOL The real problem here is that that system (kaffiene??) is giving this encryption error. That is wrong and misleading. It can't access the disk so it thinks it is the encryption when it is that the disk does not exist. Some dev somewhere needs to fix that. I would file and error report but I am not even sure where to file it. I don't think it is Kaffiene because you get the error from other players too. Maybe xine?? Also if there are boards out there that are still fighting this, that you know of, please post the answer there and date it too! I am so sick of finding answers that don't work because they are for *ubuntu from years ago but don't say so. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kassube at gmx.net Tue Sep 2 07:28:45 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:28:45 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Rod Lovett wrote: > > Hi Kubuntu users have been more helpful than the forums. > > Changing the xine parameters in Kaffeine from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd > > to dev/scd0 fixed this annoying kaffeine problem. The hdo not being > > updated to scdo for the storage media was a bit obscure, and > > hopefully the developers will take note. I'll test with a reboot soon > > to see if the settings I made persist. Cheers > > Rod > > > > > > I think the real problem is that in older than 8.04 the cdrom was > > called hd0 and now is called scd0. Kaffiene is set to look for hdo > > and has not been updated to look for scd0. When you do update it > > everything is then fine. > > All this seems to be related to fdisk settings being outdated do to > > the new use off HAL or something like that that automatically sets up > > the fdisk stuff at boot. > > Douglas E Knapp > > Thanks. I still wonder what is really wrong and where but at least > Kaffeine works. Probably the cause of the problem is that a dist upgrade doesn't touch any files in the home directory. The device used for kaffeine is stored in one of the kaffeine config files (~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/xine-config) and therefore survives a dist upgrade. But now the device from the old distribution no longer exists. I wonder why the device was /dev/hda instead of /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom. While /dev/hda doesn't exist any longer, /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom should still exist. At least on my machines they do - and those are updated from previous Kubuntu versions as well. Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 07:58:35 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:58:35 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: > Probably the cause of the problem is that a dist upgrade doesn't touch any > files in the home directory. The device used for kaffeine is stored in > one of the kaffeine config files (~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/xine-config) > and therefore survives a dist upgrade. But now the device from the old > distribution no longer exists. Yes, likely. > I wonder why the device was /dev/hda > instead of /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom. While /dev/hda doesn't exist any > longer, /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom should still exist. At least on my > machines they do - and those are updated from previous Kubuntu versions > as well. > > Nils I have those devices but they did not work when I tested them but I might have done it wrong. Perhaps I should go back and redo this using /dev/dvd1, because that is then linked on my system to /dev/scd0, also sr0, cdrom1,cdrw1, dvdrw1 also point there. And what of that bit about /media?? It might be a more generic and more correct answer. I just tested setting them all do /dev/dvd1 and it works to as I expected. Perhaps this is better advice for the masses because they might not have scd0? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kassube at gmx.net Tue Sep 2 09:30:41 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:30:41 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200809021130.41802.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > Perhaps I should go back and redo this using > /dev/dvd1, because that is then linked on my system to /dev/scd0, also > sr0, cdrom1,cdrw1, dvdrw1 also point there. And what of that bit about > /media?? > It might be a more generic and more correct answer. There is a big difference between /dev/cdrom and /media/cdrom. /dev/cdrom is the device node which can control the hardware. You need this type of access point whenever you want to read audio CDs or write to a CDRW. Actually then it would be more likely /dev/cdrw, but like you say, both are just symlinks pointing to the same device which is /dev/scd0. Now if you insert a CD with a filesystem on it (e.g. your Kubuntu CD), the automount mechanism of Kubuntu can see there is a file system and mounts it to /media/cdrom0/ and there you can read the files on the CD just like any other file in your file system. There is also the symlink /media/cdrom pointing to /media/cdrom0 which is another path to reach the files on the CD. Usually I would expect to find symlinks /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd which are generic names pointing to the actual device while they are independent from the actual hardware device name. These devices in /dev are needed by Xine (and Kaffeine via the Xine engine) to have direct access to the drive if the contents is something other than a file system, i.e. a video DVD or audio CD. > I just tested setting them all do /dev/dvd1 and it works to as I > expected. Perhaps this is better advice for the masses because they > might not have scd0? Yes, /dev/dvd (or /dev/dvd1) is better because you don't know which device name will be used by the kernel of future Kubuntu versions. This is where the problem started in the first place. Previously it was /dev/hda and now it is /dev/scd0. And I would expect the symlink /dev/dvd to be still there even for future kernel versions. Nils From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Tue Sep 2 09:58:48 2008 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:58:48 +0100 Subject: kubuntu.iso In-Reply-To: <200809012117.33158.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809012039.50468.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48BC3BED.6060501@gmail.com> <200809012117.33158.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48BD0E58.70805@candt.waitrose.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Monday 01 September 2008 21:01:01 schreef Eric: >> Peter Klaassen wrote: >> > I downloaded kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso from ubuntu.com >> > I burned a cd-rw with success through K3B. >> > Howver the cd can not be mounted and is doning nothing >> > when placed in a virgin machine. >> > What can be wrong? >> >> Did you check the MDsum to make sure the disk itself is good? > K3b does that and accepted the iso. k3b calculates the md5sum and displays it. It does not make a decision as to the figure being correct or not. the figure shown will hopefully be identical to the md5sum given from the downloads mirrors. If it is th esame then it shows that your downloaded file is intact. >> >> And why are you trying to mount it? > Just to check it. If the cd rw i snot being accepted as a 'CD' then maybe the burning process is suspect in some way. I hav enever tried to use a rw medium I have only ever used cd-r, they are pretty cheap. > >> It should be used as a boot disk. > I tried to boot the disk, where other live cd's donot have any problem have you had any sucess with booting with a cd-rw? good luck -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:10:36 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:10:36 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <200809021130.41802.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> <200809021130.41802.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> Perhaps I should go back and redo this using >> /dev/dvd1, because that is then linked on my system to /dev/scd0, also >> sr0, cdrom1,cdrw1, dvdrw1 also point there. And what of that bit about >> /media?? >> It might be a more generic and more correct answer. > > There is a big difference between /dev/cdrom and /media/cdrom. /dev/cdrom > is the device node which can control the hardware. You need this type of > access point whenever you want to read audio CDs or write to a CDRW. > Actually then it would be more likely /dev/cdrw, but like you say, both > are just symlinks pointing to the same device which is /dev/scd0. > > Now if you insert a CD with a filesystem on it (e.g. your Kubuntu CD), the > automount mechanism of Kubuntu can see there is a file system and mounts > it to /media/cdrom0/ and there you can read the files on the CD just like > any other file in your file system. There is also the > symlink /media/cdrom pointing to /media/cdrom0 which is another path to > reach the files on the CD. > > Usually I would expect to find symlinks /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd which are > generic names pointing to the actual device while they are independent > from the actual hardware device name. These devices in /dev are needed by > Xine (and Kaffeine via the Xine engine) to have direct access to the > drive if the contents is something other than a file system, i.e. a video > DVD or audio CD. > >> I just tested setting them all do /dev/dvd1 and it works to as I >> expected. Perhaps this is better advice for the masses because they >> might not have scd0? > > Yes, /dev/dvd (or /dev/dvd1) is better because you don't know which device > name will be used by the kernel of future Kubuntu versions. This is where > the problem started in the first place. Previously it was /dev/hda and > now it is /dev/scd0. And I would expect the symlink /dev/dvd to be still > there even for future kernel versions. > > > Nils I expected to find and use /dev/dvd but I don't have that on my system at all only dvd1. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 2 11:10:04 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:10:04 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> Rod Lovett wrote: > Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. > Cheers > Rod > > P.S. > > This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 11:45:37 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:45:37 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > Rod Lovett wrote: >> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. >> Cheers >> Rod >> >> P.S. >> >> This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. > > I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and > the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. > > To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. > > My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. I think you are most likely right. Can you post your ftab file? And also look and see what you have in /dev/ as far as cd and dvd stuff? Use ls -al to get the links to show. I am just wondering what IS going on. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 2 11:57:38 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:57:38 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200809020757.38542.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 2:28:32 am Knapp wrote: > > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here > > is an example of mine: > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > > Driver "fglrx" > > > > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > > any choppy video now. > > > > -- > > David M. > > Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? I'm not completely sure. I have never owened an Nvidia. I watch a lot of guitar instructional videos and I was having all the jerky problems as knapp describe. You also may need to set DMA but I wanted to take it a step at a time so nobody gets confused. David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 2 11:59:10 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:59:10 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809020759.10963.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 2:35:21 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Billie Walsh schrieb: > > I just noticed that even the mouse motion is jerky while the DVD is > > playing. > > Hi, > > just another thought. > Maybe a DMA Issue? > > Is your dvd set to use DMA. > to find out, try > > sudo hdparm /dev/yourDVDdevice Yup I second this. This was going to be my next step if the xorg hack didn't work for him. David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 2 12:07:33 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:07:33 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809020807.34046.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 12:20:38 am Billie Walsh wrote: > david wrote: > > On Monday 01 September 2008 1:54:27 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Knapp wrote: > >>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >>>> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I > >>>> had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about > >>>> dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure > >>>> enough changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, but > >>>> there's a new problem. > >>>> > >>>> Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial > >>>> media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there > >>>> shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard drive > >>>> light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > >>> > >>> Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for > >>> openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the > >>> best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system > >>> there are a lot of choices. > >> > >> Probably should also say it Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.9 > >> > >> It's an ATI Radeon video card using the ATI drivers. Near as I can > >> figure it out Kaffeine is set to use the default driver/card under > >> xengine parameters. It's the built in video "card" on the mother board. > >> > >> Is there a CLI command that will give me the exact card? > >> > >> It seems that I used to use the fglrx drivers on this computer, but > >> can't guarantee that. That is an option in System settings. The other > >> options listed are fbdev, 8500, and vesa > > > > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here > > is an example of mine: > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > > Driver "fglrx" > > > > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > > any choppy video now. > > This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of etc/x11/xorg.conf > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > EndSection > > Thats all there is. That's correct. Mine was the same way until I added the ati drivers for 3D which in turn added the "fglrx" line and then I added the video overlay option myself from suggestions on the web. There is one more thing to do which is check DMA access. Follow Eberhard's post for that and between both of our suggestions the choppy video issue will go away. David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Tue Sep 2 12:11:28 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:11:28 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809020811.28308.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 2:03:21 am Billie Walsh wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > david wrote: > >> On Monday 01 September 2008 1:54:27 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > >>> Knapp wrote: > >>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >>>>> I've been following the thread about Kaffeine Borked with interest. I > >>>>> had been unable to get DVD,s to play also. Some error message about > >>>>> dvdcss not being installed but it was. Anyway, I checked and sure > >>>>> enough changing the source to scd0 fixed that part. Now they play, > >>>>> but there's a new problem. > >>>>> > >>>>> Playback is VERY jerky on both home recorded media and commercial > >>>>> media.. The computer is a 3.5GHz, with two gigs of memory so there > >>>>> shouldn't be an issue there. What I notice is that both the hard > >>>>> drive light and dvd drive lights are on constantly during playback. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > >>>> > >>>> Start by telling what graphics card you have and if it is set up for > >>>> openGL and if your player is set to use it. I an not sure what the > >>>> best driver selections are for the players but I know on my system > >>>> there are a lot of choices. > >>> > >>> Probably should also say it Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.9 > >>> > >>> It's an ATI Radeon video card using the ATI drivers. Near as I can > >>> figure it out Kaffeine is set to use the default driver/card under > >>> xengine parameters. It's the built in video "card" on the mother board. > >>> > >>> Is there a CLI command that will give me the exact card? > >>> > >>> It seems that I used to use the fglrx drivers on this computer, but > >>> can't guarantee that. That is an option in System settings. The other > >>> options listed are fbdev, 8500, and vesa > >> > >> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. > >> Here is an example of mine: > >> > >> Section "Device" > >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > >> Driver "fglrx" > >> > >> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > >> any choppy video now. > > > > This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of > > etc/x11/xorg.conf > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > > EndSection > > > > Thats all there is. > > I just noticed that even the mouse motion is jerky while the DVD is > playing. This sounds more of a problem with DMA instead of video. Go ahead and add the option to your xorg and make your dvd rom use DMA and I guarantee all of these problems will dissapear. David M. From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 12:32:57 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:32:57 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809020757.38542.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <200809020757.38542.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM, David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 2:28:32 am Knapp wrote: >> > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here >> > is an example of mine: >> > >> > Section "Device" >> > Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >> > Driver "fglrx" >> > >> > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have >> > any choppy video now. >> > >> > -- >> > David M. >> >> Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? > > I'm not completely sure. I have never owened an Nvidia. I watch a lot of > guitar instructional videos and I was having all the jerky problems as knapp > describe. I did not post that. Just asked about nvidia. > You also may need to set DMA but I wanted to take it a step at a time so > nobody gets confused. > > David M. BTW the dma command does not work on my computer, all I get is this. What is iocti?? It is just an IDE dvd burnner on 8.04 and yes that is the right device; scd0. sudo hdparm /dev/scd0 douglas at frog:/$ sudo hdparm /dev/scd0 [sudo] password for douglas: /dev/scd0: IO_support = 0 (default) 16-bit) HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dgvirtual at akl.lt Tue Sep 2 12:43:39 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:43:39 +0300 Subject: EEEpc wireless In-Reply-To: <48B9B793.3010603@swbell.net> References: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> <200808301733.24058.kubuntu@neversfelde.de> <48B9B793.3010603@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809021543.40262.dgvirtual@akl.lt> There is a kernel built especially for ubuntu, that includes wireless support. See my links for eeepc: http://del.icio.us/dgvirtual/eeepc Donatas G. On Sunday 31 August 2008 00:11:47 Billie Walsh wrote: > There's also an Ubuntu that is optimized just for the EeePC. > > http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page > > I haven't tried it myself yet but have been thinking about it. Would > prefer eeeKubuntu but....... > > I suppose one could always install the KDE desktop after installation. > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 13:17:22 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:17:22 +0200 Subject: EEEpc wireless In-Reply-To: <200809021543.40262.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> <200808301733.24058.kubuntu@neversfelde.de> <48B9B793.3010603@swbell.net> <200809021543.40262.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <48BD3CE2.5060305@gmail.com> On 02/09/2008 Donatas G. wrote: > There is a kernel built especially for ubuntu, that includes wireless > support. > See my links for eeepc: > http://del.icio.us/dgvirtual/eeepc I got kernel 2.6.24-21-eeepc from array and it works fine on open networks, but it doesn't wanna know 'bout wpa. Have you been luckier? From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 13:36:45 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:36:45 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00809020636q60e3dcdeh303e63bcf4e9a6d9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/2 Art Alexion : > I still think this may be a bigger problem. Yes, changing the rendering engine is not a fix, it is a patch. I suggest that the OP file a bug in launchpad and let the devs walk him through a solution. Then the solution could be incorporated into future versions of *buntu. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 14:00:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:00:21 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <4043983.4k9hIxWRx0@cedar.serverforest.com> Rod Lovett wrote: > Hi Kubuntu users have been more helpful than the forums. > Changing the xine parameters in Kaffeine from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd to > dev/scd0 fixed this annoying kaffeine problem. OK, then this is definitely _not_ a kaffeine problem, because /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd are the correct symlinks. One has to wonder why they're not pointing at the correct location. Please do: ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd and send us the output. What is in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules? It should create symlinks for specific PCI paths for the /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom devices, and /dev/disk/by-path/ should have a corresponding path name that links to /dev/scd0. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 14:12:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:12:22 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1300844.TMI3pLPaWs@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Rod Lovett > wrote: >> Thanks. I still wonder what is really wrong and where but at least >> Kaffeine works. > > Probably the cause of the problem is that a dist upgrade doesn't touch any > files in the home directory. No, the kaffeine values are right (at least on Rod's system) so the place to look is udev. Douglas, see my response to Rod and send us the same details. Good call on the workaround, anyway! -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 14:14:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:14:31 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <200809020928.45733.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > I just tested setting them all do /dev/dvd1 and it works to as I > expected. Perhaps this is better advice for the masses because they > might not have scd0? No, they _must_ have scd0 (at least if they have a CD/DVD, without which they wouldn't get much from kaffeine, anyway!), but they very well may not have /dev/dvd1 (you should only have /dev/dvd1 if you have multiple DVDs) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 14:27:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:27:17 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <3057831.qquQA5ul7B@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rod Lovett > wrote: >> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings >> from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and >> survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. > > Nothing like having the list jump down your throat. I had it happen to > me because I happen to like automatix and stood up for a great tool of > it's time. LOL Hey now, the two cases are totally different! We wanted to help Rod, but couldn't understand him. We really _didn't_ want to help you with Automatix, because it was an ugly, dangerous, kludge, that could be dealt with by far safer methods :-) > The real problem here is that that system (kaffiene??) is giving this > encryption error. That is wrong and misleading. You're right - _that_ would seem to be a kaffeine/xine error, and is the only thing that kaffeine/xine is doing wrong (wrt this situation, anyway). > It can't access the > disk so it thinks it is the encryption when it is that the disk does > not exist. Some dev somewhere needs to fix that. I would file and > error report but I am not even sure where to file it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/230670 You & Rod should both comment on it (though I'm pretty sure this is not a HAL problem, as stated - no wonder it isn't getting any attention). > I don't think it > is Kaffiene because you get the error from other players too. Maybe > xine?? Again, you're probably right. btw, always search bugs.launchpad.net first - you'd have found this, and the workaround, by mid May. (in fact, a simple google for "kaffeine encryption error" finds this bug report...) -- derek From info at alvin.be Tue Sep 2 14:34:00 2008 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:34:00 +0200 Subject: XML completion in Kate (KDE4) Message-ID: <200809021634.00689.info@alvin.be> According to http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/editors/kate-kde4 kate's features include: * XML completion and validation In kate (KDE3) this was done by installing kate-plugins, enabling XML completion and using the shortcut (Ctrl + <). Is there anyone who knows how this is done in the new Kate (KDE4)? -- Alvin From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 14:28:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:28:30 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2084118.s5y4cpONVT@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > Rod Lovett wrote: >> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings >> from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and >> survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. Cheers Rod >> >> P.S. >> >> This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below >> su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. > > I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and > the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. > > To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. > > My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. That's where the bug is filed, but I think it's really just udev. We'll see when they send us more info. -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 2 14:35:34 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:35:34 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BD4F36.5010209@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: >>> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is >>> an example of mine: >>> >>> Section "Device" >>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >>> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >>> Driver "fglrx" >>> >>> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any >>> choppy video now. >>> >>> >>> >> This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of etc/x11/xorg.conf >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> EndSection >> >> Thats all there is. >> > > It seems to be that Linux is switching over to totally auto configure > instead of using configure files. I don't KNOW this but it seems to be > what is happening. My xorg.conf was blank like that too but I had to > add a lot. Just be sure to make a backup of the original and then play > with it. Did you try David's idea? > > > I haven't had a chance to try his suggestion yet. I was up half the night with trashed video settings. *<]:oD First I made sure the fglrx drivers were all in place. Then I went through System Settings to set the video driver to fglrx. Bad idea!! After restarting all I could get was 800x600 resolution. System settings couldn't "fix" it. Long story short, after messing with it for a couple hours I finally opened a terminal and "sudo dolphin". Deleted all but one known good version of xorg.conf from an earlier setup, renamed it "xorg.conf", renamed the "falback" conf to keep it from running, crossed my fingers and restarted. Back to 1280x1024 where it belongs. One part lucky, one part stupid. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:16:02 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:16:02 +0200 Subject: Installing Intrepid Alpha 4 under Virtualbox Kernel Panic Message-ID: Hi! I wanted to try Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha 4 so i downloaded it and started the installer under Virtualbox but i always get a kernel panic as fast i press "Install Kubuntu". Any other tried to install it in Virtualbox? Actually while i was writing this mail i wanted to try it one last time and this time it manage to boot and the install went fine but at the reboot i get Kernel panic again. / Jonas From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Sep 2 15:11:52 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:11:52 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <3057831.qquQA5ul7B@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <3057831.qquQA5ul7B@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809021711.53884.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 16:27, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rod Lovett > > The real problem here is that that system (kaffiene??) is giving this > > encryption error. That is wrong and misleading. > > You're right - _that_ would seem to be a kaffeine/xine error, and is the > only thing that kaffeine/xine is doing wrong (wrt this situation, anyway). > > > It can't access the > > disk so it thinks it is the encryption when it is that the disk does > > not exist. Some dev somewhere needs to fix that. I would file and > > error report but I am not even sure where to file it. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/230670 > > You & Rod should both comment on it (though I'm pretty sure this is not a > HAL problem, as stated - no wonder it isn't getting any attention). > > > I don't think it > > is Kaffiene because you get the error from other players too. Maybe > > xine?? > > Again, you're probably right. > > btw, always search bugs.launchpad.net first - you'd have found this, and > the workaround, by mid May. (in fact, a simple google for "kaffeine > encryption error" finds this bug report...) > -- > derek I'll come in on this thread if I may, as I can't get Kaffeine to play DVD's either. Whether there is a DVD in the drive or not, I get these complaints about needing libdvdcss to be installed, but it already is. Kaffeine will play audio CD's with not problem. Both the /dev/cdrom, and dev/dvd symlinks are pointing to /dev/scd0 on Kubuntu HH 8.04, and to /dev/hda on GG 7.10, which are both correct. VLC will play DVD's on both 7.10, and 8.04 with no problems, so the optical drive is ok. On 8.04 which I have booted at the mo, VLC is pointing directly to /dev/scd0. I've just installed xine-ui, which has also pulled in libxine1-ffmpeg as a dep, and will try xine directly with DVD's. Watch this space. Nigel. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 2 15:17:22 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:17:22 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BD5902.7060504@swbell.net> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Billie Walsh schrieb: > > >> I just noticed that even the mouse motion is jerky while the DVD is playing. >> >> > Hi, > > just another thought. > Maybe a DMA Issue? > > Is your dvd set to use DMA. > to find out, try > > sudo hdparm /dev/yourDVDdevice > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > > I get basically nothing. /dev/scd0: IO_support = 0 (default) 16-bit) HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device I don't know what an "ioctl" is either. Tried it with a disk in the drive and not in. Same results either way. Looking in /dev I see cdrom2, cdrom3, cdrw2, cdrw3, dvd2, dvd3, dvdrw2 listed. I have one (1) cd/dvd combo drive and one (1) dvdrw drive. Mostly I use the dvdrw. I'm wondering if there's an issue of system resources. Playing a disc in my laptop [ 8.04/3.5.9 - 1.8GHz 4gig ] the hard drive and DVD lights just flicker every once in a while. Same on my winders box. BUT, in my main computer [ 8.04/3.5.9 - 3GHz 2gig ] the hard drive light in on continuous as well as the DVD light. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From kassube at gmx.net Tue Sep 2 15:21:35 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:21:35 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > No, they _must_ have scd0 (at least if they have a CD/DVD, without > which they wouldn't get much from kaffeine, anyway!), but they very > well may not have /dev/dvd1 (you should only have /dev/dvd1 if you have > multiple DVDs) I'm not sure what you want to say here but I just checked my Kaffeine (Xine engine) parameters. They are /dev/cdrom for audio CDs and /dev/dvd for DVDs. Then I checked that it was working with an audio CD and a DVD. So I think the reason is more likely that if there are multiple CD/DVD drives there is no symlink /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd but only /dev/cdrom1 and /dev/dvd1. But like you wrote in the other mail, the place to look is udev. Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:32:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:32:09 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <200809021711.53884.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <3057831.qquQA5ul7B@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021711.53884.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 16:27, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rod Lovett > >> > The real problem here is that that system (kaffiene??) is giving this >> > encryption error. That is wrong and misleading. >> >> You're right - _that_ would seem to be a kaffeine/xine error, and is the >> only thing that kaffeine/xine is doing wrong (wrt this situation, anyway). >> >> > It can't access the >> > disk so it thinks it is the encryption when it is that the disk does >> > not exist. Some dev somewhere needs to fix that. I would file and >> > error report but I am not even sure where to file it. >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/230670 >> >> You & Rod should both comment on it (though I'm pretty sure this is not a >> HAL problem, as stated - no wonder it isn't getting any attention). >> >> > I don't think it >> > is Kaffiene because you get the error from other players too. Maybe >> > xine?? >> >> Again, you're probably right. >> >> btw, always search bugs.launchpad.net first - you'd have found this, and >> the workaround, by mid May. (in fact, a simple google for "kaffeine >> encryption error" finds this bug report...) >> -- >> derek > > I'll come in on this thread if I may, as I can't get Kaffeine to play DVD's > either. Whether there is a DVD in the drive or not, I get these complaints > about needing libdvdcss to be installed, but it already is. Kaffeine will > play audio CD's with not problem. Both the /dev/cdrom, and dev/dvd symlinks > are pointing to /dev/scd0 on Kubuntu HH 8.04, and to /dev/hda on GG 7.10, > which are both correct. > > VLC will play DVD's on both 7.10, and 8.04 with no problems, so the optical > drive is ok. On 8.04 which I have booted at the mo, VLC is pointing directly > to /dev/scd0. > > I've just installed xine-ui, which has also pulled in libxine1-ffmpeg as a > dep, and will try xine directly with DVD's. > > Watch this space. > > Nigel. I am not sure I am following what you are saying but did you change the settings in Kaffiene -> xine->media as suggested to /dev/dvd1? It should fix the problem. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:34:43 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:34:43 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BD5902.7060504@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> <48BD5902.7060504@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Billie Walsh schrieb: >> >> >>> I just noticed that even the mouse motion is jerky while the DVD is playing. >>> >>> >> Hi, >> >> just another thought. >> Maybe a DMA Issue? >> >> Is your dvd set to use DMA. >> to find out, try >> >> sudo hdparm /dev/yourDVDdevice >> >> Kind regards >> Eberhard >> >> >> > I get basically nothing. > > /dev/scd0: > IO_support = 0 (default) > 16-bit) > HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 256 (on) > HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > > I don't know what an "ioctl" is either. > > Tried it with a disk in the drive and not in. Same results either way. > > Looking in /dev I see cdrom2, cdrom3, cdrw2, cdrw3, dvd2, dvd3, dvdrw2 > listed. I have one (1) cd/dvd combo drive and one (1) dvdrw drive. > Mostly I use the dvdrw. > > I'm wondering if there's an issue of system resources. Playing a disc in > my laptop [ 8.04/3.5.9 - 1.8GHz 4gig ] the hard drive and DVD lights > just flicker every once in a while. Same on my winders box. BUT, in my > main computer [ 8.04/3.5.9 - 3GHz 2gig ] the hard drive light in on > continuous as well as the DVD light. > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. I get the same result with that command but mine plays well still. There is still this clash between old and new ways going on even from the helpers. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:36:17 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:36:17 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BD5902.7060504@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BCBF16.9020808@swbell.net> <48BCD729.1040404@swbell.net> <48BD5902.7060504@swbell.net> Message-ID: 2008/9/2 Billie Walsh : > /dev/scd0: > IO_support = 0 (default) > 16-bit) > HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 256 (on) > HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > > I don't know what an "ioctl" is either. > >From the manual: NAME ioctl - control device SYNOPSIS #include int ioctl(int d, int request, ...); DESCRIPTION The ioctl() function manipulates the underlying device parameters of special files. In particular, many operating characteristics of character special files (e.g., terminals) may be controlled with ioctl() requests. From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:46:35 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:46:35 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> No, they _must_ have scd0 (at least if they have a CD/DVD, without >> which they wouldn't get much from kaffeine, anyway!), but they very >> well may not have /dev/dvd1 (you should only have /dev/dvd1 if you have >> multiple DVDs) > > I'm not sure what you want to say here but I just checked my Kaffeine > (Xine engine) parameters. They are /dev/cdrom for audio CDs and /dev/dvd > for DVDs. Then I checked that it was working with an audio CD and a DVD. > So I think the reason is more likely that if there are multiple CD/DVD > drives there is no symlink /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd but only /dev/cdrom1 > and /dev/dvd1. But like you wrote in the other mail, the place to look is > udev. > > > Nils Thing is that I have never had more than one DVD on this system nor have I messed with the settings before this problem. I have also never changed the hardware. I am sorry but I missed what info you wanted and this tread has split so much I am loosing track of what is were. Some *****70 file or something? What was it? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Sep 2 15:57:09 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:57:09 -0700 Subject: Installing Intrepid Alpha 4 under Virtualbox Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080902155709.GB5682@dmiyu.org> On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:16:02PM +0200, Jonas Norlander wrote: > I wanted to try Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha 4 so i downloaded it and > started the installer under Virtualbox but i always get a kernel panic > as fast i press "Install Kubuntu". Any other tried to install it in > Virtualbox? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 2nd note under Caveats. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other tried to install it in >> Virtualbox? > > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 2nd note under Caveats. > Thanks / Jonas From kap4lin at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 16:26:07 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:26:07 -0400 Subject: Installing Intrepid Alpha 4 under Virtualbox Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: <20080902155709.GB5682@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902155709.GB5682@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:16:02PM +0200, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> I wanted to try Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha 4 so i downloaded it and >> started the installer under Virtualbox but i always get a kernel panic >> as fast i press "Install Kubuntu". Any other tried to install it in >> Virtualbox? Same here... I think, we should wait till beta 1/2 comes out... > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 2nd note under Caveats. I saw this yesterday, and tried the "noreplace-paravirt" kernel option before booting. Though this makes the kernel in Alpha 4 boot without panic, but as noted in one comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067/comments/106 the virtual machine really really really slow... -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From silentph03nix at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 16:36:17 2008 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:36:17 -0500 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Knapp wrote: > > Thing is that I have never had more than one DVD on this system nor > have I messed with the settings before this problem. I have also never > changed the hardware. > I am sorry but I missed what info you wanted and this tread has split > so much I am loosing track of what is were. Some *****70 file or > something? What was it? > Here are mine from my server. I have a Creative Labs DVD rom drive and a DVD writer in the same box. Here are my files. ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvd2 -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvd3 -> scd1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvdrw3 -> scd1 ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/cdrom2 -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/cdrom3 -> scd1 ph03nix at server:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules # This file maintains persistent names for CD/DVD reader and writer devices. # See udev(7) for syntax. # # Entries are automatically added by the 75-persistent-cd-generator.rules # file; however you are also free to add your own entries provided you # add the ENV{GENERATED}=1 flag to your own rules as well. # HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" # CREATIVEDVD1240E (pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-0:1) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-0:1", SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-0:1", SYMLINK+="dvd1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" # DVD1240E (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom2", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", SYMLINK+="dvd2", ENV{GENERATED}="1" # DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvd3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" So, as you can see, mine end up being dvd2 & 3 and cdrom 2 & 3 as opposed to 0 and 1 as I would assume they would be. I'd love to know what I need to change to get them fixed. -- Ph03nix Adrienne Gusoff - "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Sep 2 16:45:19 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:45:19 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <200809021711.53884.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200809021845.20539.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 17:32, Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 16:27, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Knapp wrote: > >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rod Lovett > >> > > >> > The real problem here is that that system (kaffiene??) is giving this > >> > encryption error. That is wrong and misleading. > >> > >> You're right - _that_ would seem to be a kaffeine/xine error, and is the > >> only thing that kaffeine/xine is doing wrong (wrt this situation, > >> anyway). > >> > >> > It can't access the > >> > disk so it thinks it is the encryption when it is that the disk does > >> > not exist. Some dev somewhere needs to fix that. I would file and > >> > error report but I am not even sure where to file it. > >> > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/230670 > >> > >> You & Rod should both comment on it (though I'm pretty sure this is not > >> a HAL problem, as stated - no wonder it isn't getting any attention). > >> > >> > I don't think it > >> > is Kaffiene because you get the error from other players too. Maybe > >> > xine?? > >> > >> Again, you're probably right. > >> > >> btw, always search bugs.launchpad.net first - you'd have found this, and > >> the workaround, by mid May. (in fact, a simple google for "kaffeine > >> encryption error" finds this bug report...) > >> -- > >> derek > > > > I'll come in on this thread if I may, as I can't get Kaffeine to play > > DVD's either. Whether there is a DVD in the drive or not, I get these > > complaints about needing libdvdcss to be installed, but it already is. > > Kaffeine will play audio CD's with not problem. Both the /dev/cdrom, and > > dev/dvd symlinks are pointing to /dev/scd0 on Kubuntu HH 8.04, and to > > /dev/hda on GG 7.10, which are both correct. > > > > VLC will play DVD's on both 7.10, and 8.04 with no problems, so the > > optical drive is ok. On 8.04 which I have booted at the mo, VLC is > > pointing directly to /dev/scd0. > > > > I've just installed xine-ui, which has also pulled in libxine1-ffmpeg as > > a dep, and will try xine directly with DVD's. > > > > Watch this space. > > > > Nigel. > > I am not sure I am following what you are saying but did you change > the settings in Kaffiene -> xine->media as suggested to /dev/dvd1? It > should fix the problem. > > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp Well no, because unless you have more than 1 DVD optical drive /dev/dvd1 does not exist, and as I only have one optical drive capable of playing DVD's on this machine, I only have /dev/dvd, which is a symlink pointing to /dev/scd0. As I said on a previous post, VLC will play DVD's with no problem, but Kaffeine appears to be having some problems accessing the optical drive to play DVD's. I've installed the xine-ui, and xine will play DVD's using the same settings for the xine engine in Kaffeine, although with some weird problems, which are on another thread. Nigel. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 2 16:58:32 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:58:32 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48BD70B8.4090703@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > >> Rod Lovett wrote: >> >>> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. >>> Cheers >>> Rod >>> >>> P.S. >>> >>> This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. >>> >> I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and >> the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. >> >> To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. >> >> My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. >> > > I think you are most likely right. Can you post your ftab file? proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/hda1 UUID=f5818467-4e5c-4219-94f2-182bf7e6b42b / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1 # /dev/hda5 UUID=b06ff899-4a37-4613-9020-5ada5959c8b9 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 /dev/sdc /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 /dev/sda3 /media/SuSE auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /media/NTFS auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 I have three hard drives and two cd/dvd. One IDE, Kubuntu, and two SATA, XP and OpenSuse. > And > also look and see what you have in /dev/ as far as cd and dvd stuff? > Use ls -al to get the links to show. I am just wondering what IS going > on. I posted a list of he CD/DVD listed in /dev in another post -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 2 17:00:55 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:00:55 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48BD7147.8070301@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > >> Rod Lovett wrote: >> >>> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. >>> Cheers >>> Rod >>> >>> P.S. >>> >>> This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. >>> >> I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and >> the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. >> >> To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. >> >> My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. >> > > I think you are most likely right. Can you post your ftab file? And > also look and see what you have in /dev/ as far as cd and dvd stuff? > Use ls -al to get the links to show. I am just wondering what IS going > on. ls -al returns 608 total at this time. Should I post the whole list or is there a certain part? -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 17:30:20 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:30:20 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Silent Ph03nix wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Knapp wrote: >> >> Thing is that I have never had more than one DVD on this system nor >> have I messed with the settings before this problem. I have also never >> changed the hardware. >> I am sorry but I missed what info you wanted and this tread has split >> so much I am loosing track of what is were. Some *****70 file or >> something? What was it? >> > > Here are mine from my server. I have a Creative Labs DVD rom drive > and a DVD writer in the same box. Here are my files. > > > ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvd2 -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvd3 -> scd1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvdrw3 -> scd1 > ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/cdrom2 -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/cdrom3 -> scd1 > > ph03nix at server:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > # This file maintains persistent names for CD/DVD reader and writer devices. > # See udev(7) for syntax. > # > # Entries are automatically added by the 75-persistent-cd-generator.rules > # file; however you are also free to add your own entries provided you > # add the ENV{GENERATED}=1 flag to your own rules as well. > # HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", > SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > # CREATIVEDVD1240E (pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-0:1) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-0:1", > SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-0:1", > SYMLINK+="dvd1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > # DVD1240E (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom2", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd2", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > # DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrw3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvdrw3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > > So, as you can see, mine end up being dvd2 & 3 and cdrom 2 & 3 as > opposed to 0 and 1 as I would assume they would be. I'd love to know > what I need to change to get them fixed. > > -- > Ph03nix > Adrienne Gusoff - "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." As a former programmer, I find that really interesting. I would bet that they skipped all the installs from before and just started after that. Mine skips the first slot with one drive and yours skips the first 2 with 2 drives. Question is was it a mistake or a failed plan? I would send that file now but I am not on that computer. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 17:36:25 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:36:25 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <200809021845.20539.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <200809021711.53884.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <200809021845.20539.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 17:32, Knapp wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Nigel Henry > wrote: >> > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 16:27, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Knapp wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rod Lovett >> >> > >> >> > The real problem here is that that system (kaffiene??) is giving this >> >> > encryption error. That is wrong and misleading. >> >> >> >> You're right - _that_ would seem to be a kaffeine/xine error, and is the >> >> only thing that kaffeine/xine is doing wrong (wrt this situation, >> >> anyway). >> >> >> >> > It can't access the >> >> > disk so it thinks it is the encryption when it is that the disk does >> >> > not exist. Some dev somewhere needs to fix that. I would file and >> >> > error report but I am not even sure where to file it. >> >> >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/230670 >> >> >> >> You & Rod should both comment on it (though I'm pretty sure this is not >> >> a HAL problem, as stated - no wonder it isn't getting any attention). >> >> >> >> > I don't think it >> >> > is Kaffiene because you get the error from other players too. Maybe >> >> > xine?? >> >> >> >> Again, you're probably right. >> >> >> >> btw, always search bugs.launchpad.net first - you'd have found this, and >> >> the workaround, by mid May. (in fact, a simple google for "kaffeine >> >> encryption error" finds this bug report...) >> >> -- >> >> derek >> > >> > I'll come in on this thread if I may, as I can't get Kaffeine to play >> > DVD's either. Whether there is a DVD in the drive or not, I get these >> > complaints about needing libdvdcss to be installed, but it already is. >> > Kaffeine will play audio CD's with not problem. Both the /dev/cdrom, and >> > dev/dvd symlinks are pointing to /dev/scd0 on Kubuntu HH 8.04, and to >> > /dev/hda on GG 7.10, which are both correct. >> > >> > VLC will play DVD's on both 7.10, and 8.04 with no problems, so the >> > optical drive is ok. On 8.04 which I have booted at the mo, VLC is >> > pointing directly to /dev/scd0. >> > >> > I've just installed xine-ui, which has also pulled in libxine1-ffmpeg as >> > a dep, and will try xine directly with DVD's. >> > >> > Watch this space. >> > >> > Nigel. >> >> I am not sure I am following what you are saying but did you change >> the settings in Kaffiene -> xine->media as suggested to /dev/dvd1? It >> should fix the problem. >> >> >> >> -- >> Douglas E Knapp > > Well no, because unless you have more than 1 DVD optical drive /dev/dvd1 does > not exist, and as I only have one optical drive capable of playing DVD's on > this machine, I only have /dev/dvd, which is a symlink pointing to /dev/scd0. > > As I said on a previous post, VLC will play DVD's with no problem, but > Kaffeine appears to be having some problems accessing the optical drive to > play DVD's. I've installed the xine-ui, and xine will play DVD's using the > same settings for the xine engine in Kaffeine, although with some weird > problems, which are on another thread. > > Nigel. Nothing wrong with your logic but is that the reality of your system? Have you looked at a ls -al of your drives in /dev? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 17:38:32 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:38:32 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <48BD7147.8070301@swbell.net> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> <48BD7147.8070301@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: >> >>> Rod Lovett wrote: >>> >>>> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. >>>> Cheers >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> >>>> This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. >>>> >>> I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and >>> the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. >>> >>> To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. >>> >>> My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. >>> >> >> I think you are most likely right. Can you post your ftab file? And >> also look and see what you have in /dev/ as far as cd and dvd stuff? >> Use ls -al to get the links to show. I am just wondering what IS going >> on. > > ls -al returns 608 total at this time. Should I post the whole list or > is there a certain part? No I meant only the parts todo with cd and dvd don't need the rest. The question for me is do you have dvd or dvd0 or what and what do they link to? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 17:39:19 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:39:19 +0300 Subject: File Recovery Message-ID: <48BD7A47.2020207@gmail.com> i accidentally excluded a wanted directory from my monthly backup, and from all the times that i needed to use the backup for a recovery yesterday, with this incomplete backup, and i didn't notice that the diectory wasn't backed up until after i deleted the whole system and restored from the backup, so basically i ended up with around 4 GiB of downloaded data missing! i use ext3 filesystem, and have seperate /usr /var /home /boot partitions, leaving the rest of the root partition almost empty, that's why i chose /sharedstuff as a common place for downloading and sharing stuff on samba. what are my chances of recoveringsome of these files? and what programs can i use? this directory contained many small files that i don't care about, but 2huge files (dvd images being downloaded with utorrent and pre allocated, these 2 are what i care about most -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 18:07:25 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:07:25 +0200 Subject: File Recovery In-Reply-To: <48BD7A47.2020207@gmail.com> References: <48BD7A47.2020207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BD80DD.2070201@gmail.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i accidentally excluded a wanted directory from my monthly backup, and > from all the times that i needed to use the backup for a recovery > yesterday, with this incomplete backup, and i didn't notice that the > diectory wasn't backed up until after i deleted the whole system and > restored from the backup, so basically i ended up with around 4 GiB of > downloaded data missing! > > i use ext3 filesystem, and have seperate /usr /var /home /boot > partitions, leaving the rest of the root partition almost empty, that's > why i chose /sharedstuff as a common place for downloading and sharing > stuff on samba. > > what are my chances of recoveringsome of these files? and what programs > can i use? > > this directory contained many small files that i don't care about, but > 2huge files (dvd images being downloaded with utorrent and pre > allocated, these 2 are what i care about most > > Linux Magazine had an article about file recovery in a recent issue, go to their website http://www.linux-magazine.com/ and search there. Good luck, I am afraid you are in for a tough time. Sinclair From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 18:43:51 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:43:51 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules # This file maintains persistent names for CD/DVD reader and writer devices. # See udev(7) for syntax. # # Entries are automatically added by the 75-persistent-cd-generator.rules # file; however you are also free to add your own entries provided you # add the ENV{GENERATED}=1 flag to your own rules as well. # TSSTcorpCDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" # CDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvd1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" Now that is odd. I have one CD player and have always had one and it has NEVER changed! Oh, wait a second those 2 are the same?? IS that normal? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 18:44:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:44:22 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1629081.3Gio5pTlCr@cedar.serverforest.com> Silent Ph03nix wrote: > Here are mine from my server. I have a Creative Labs DVD rom drive > and a DVD writer in the same box. Here are my files. > > > ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvd2 -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvd3 -> scd1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/dvdrw3 -> scd1 > ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/cdrom2 -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-01 12:14 /dev/cdrom3 -> scd1 > > ph03nix at server:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > # This file maintains persistent names for CD/DVD reader and writer > # devices. See udev(7) for syntax. > # > # Entries are automatically added by the 75-persistent-cd-generator.rules > # file; however you are also free to add your own entries provided you > # add the ENV{GENERATED}=1 flag to your own rules as well. > # HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ... > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom2", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > > So, as you can see, mine end up being dvd2 & 3 and cdrom 2 & 3 as > opposed to 0 and 1 as I would assume they would be. I'd love to know > what I need to change to get them fixed. So this is the heart of the problem. I should have asked for: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path too, but I think I know what it would show. When your system identified your CD/DVDs as IDE, the hardware "path" was pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0. Now that they're being id'd as SCSI, the path is pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0. When the new symlinks were generated, it didn't delete the old & obsolete rules. I believe that if you simply deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules, on the next reboot it would be built correctly. BUT I HAVEN'T TESTED THAT! So, you might want to rename the file (to anything that doesn't end with .rules - or into another directory), reboot, and see what you have. If a new one isn't generated, just rename the old one and reboot. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 18:35:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:35:09 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4741523.xlyVDFFLWW@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> No, they _must_ have scd0 (at least if they have a CD/DVD, without >> which they wouldn't get much from kaffeine, anyway!), but they very >> well may not have /dev/dvd1 (you should only have /dev/dvd1 if you have >> multiple DVDs) > > I'm not sure what you want to say here but I just checked my Kaffeine > (Xine engine) parameters. They are /dev/cdrom for audio CDs and /dev/dvd > for DVDs. Right. I was replying to: > I just tested setting them all do /dev/dvd1 and it works to as I > expected. Perhaps this is better advice for the masses because they > might not have scd0? Doug has it backwards. _All_ systems should have /dev/scd0, but _may_ not have /dev/dvd1. > So I think the reason is more likely that if there are multiple CD/DVD > drives there is no symlink /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd but only /dev/cdrom1 > and /dev/dvd1. I think the intent was that multiple drives would be numbered 0-n or maybe 1-n, but the first should still also be "dvd" or "cdrom". But afaict, neither Douglas nor Rod actually has multiple drives. After all, if you have multiple physical devices, you already know you're likely to have to tell the system which one to use, but if you only have one, everythin should be able to find it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 18:48:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:48:01 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > As a former programmer, I find that really interesting. I would bet > that they skipped all the installs from before and just started after > that. Mine skips the first slot with one drive and yours skips the > first 2 with 2 drives. Question is was it a mistake or a failed plan? > Sort of both, I suspect. When IDE drives first started to migrate to SCSI, they must have manually removed the old rules, since most of us don't have this problem. Yours seem to have been in the second wave of migrations, and that _didn't_ get done. I suspect the people testing it had already been through that migration, so didn't see a regression. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 18:57:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:57:59 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> <48BD70B8.4090703@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1463686.re9pWuN2Hs@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 Those are almost certainly wrong. Does "ls /dev/hd*" still show devices? If not, change them to scd0 and scd1. -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:05:56 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:05:56 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> As a former programmer, I find that really interesting. I would bet >> that they skipped all the installs from before and just started after >> that. Mine skips the first slot with one drive and yours skips the >> first 2 with 2 drives. Question is was it a mistake or a failed plan? >> > Sort of both, I suspect. When IDE drives first started to migrate to SCSI, > they must have manually removed the old rules, since most of us don't have > this problem. Yours seem to have been in the second wave of migrations, > and that _didn't_ get done. I suspect the people testing it had already > been through that migration, so didn't see a regression. > -- > derek But why change it to from IDE to SCSI? My drive is plugged into an IDE port. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:06:03 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:06:03 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <4741523.xlyVDFFLWW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <4741523.xlyVDFFLWW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: >> I just tested setting them all do /dev/dvd1 and it works to as I >> expected. Perhaps this is better advice for the masses because they >> might not have scd0? > > Doug has it backwards. _All_ systems should have /dev/scd0, but _may_ not > have /dev/dvd1. No, not backwards. I was thinking that scd0 is the hardward that can change but dvd1 was the link and should be stable. As I see it now in SHOULD be DVD but as we have seen that failed and hence the problem in the first place. I will test out that reboot with the updated files and see what happens. Also this idea of using dvd1 should still be right for people with the same problem as mine. As we have pointed out though it is really a problem in that other file. What was it?? something70. I need to go and kill it now. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 18:56:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:56:21 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42111754.KFX74UAktu@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > # This file maintains persistent names for CD/DVD reader and writer > # devices. See udev(7) for syntax. > # > # Entries are automatically added by the 75-persistent-cd-generator.rules > # file; however you are also free to add your own entries provided you > # add the ENV{GENERATED}=1 flag to your own rules as well. > # TSSTcorpCDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > # CDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrw1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvdrw1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > > > Now that is odd. I have one CD player and have always had one and it > has NEVER changed! Oh, wait a second those 2 are the same?? IS that > normal? > > I'm not sure which "two" you mean are the same. The dvd and cdrom links are to your _players_, the *rw links are to your _recorders_ - and of course for most people they're all the same physical device. But the device names ending in "1" are _not_ the same as the others - one has an IDE path and the other has a SCSI path. I'll give you the same advice as phoenix - rename your 70-persistent-cd.rules to something not ending in .rules, reboot, and see if it's generated a new, correct, one. If not, just rename the old one back. -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Sep 2 19:22:51 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:22:51 -0700 Subject: 4.1 white screen? Message-ID: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> I have been bouncing back and forth between 3.5.10 and 4.1. This is inside a VBox VM. Recently 4.1 gets part way through the startup process (the 2nd, 3rd and 4th icons start to fuzz-in as it were) when the entire screen goes white. I can still see and move my mouse pointer but nothing else shows. Has anyone else seen this or have a pointer to what might be going on? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The dvd and cdrom links are > to your _players_, the *rw links are to your _recorders_ - and of course > for most people they're all the same physical device. But the device names > ending in "1" are _not_ the same as the others - one has an IDE path and > the other has a SCSI path. I'll give you the same advice as phoenix - > rename your 70-persistent-cd.rules to something not ending in .rules, > reboot, and see if it's generated a new, correct, one. If not, just rename > the old one back. > -- > derek Ahead of you. It is done and it worked. DVD is now in dev and dvd1 is gone same for the cd1 stuff too. Guess I should change back the kaffiene settings but they still will work with /dev/scd0 of course. douglas at frog:/dev$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_cd_rules # program, probably run by the cd-aliases-generator.rules rules file. # # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line # and set the $GENERATED variable. # CDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" Now someone needs to write this up as solved! I would but am VERY out of time. Thanks everyone for all the help!! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From silentph03nix at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:25:05 2008 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:25:05 -0500 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <1629081.3Gio5pTlCr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <1629081.3Gio5pTlCr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <944d71fe0809021225u7eeab93fr47a0ab2d56554f0e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > So this is the heart of the problem. I should have asked for: > ls -l /dev/disk/by-path > too, but I think I know what it would show. > > When your system identified your CD/DVDs as IDE, the hardware "path" was > pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0. Now that they're being id'd as SCSI, the path is > pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0. When the new symlinks were generated, it > didn't delete the old & obsolete rules. > > I believe that if you simply > deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules, on the next reboot it > would be built correctly. BUT I HAVEN'T TESTED THAT! So, you might want > to rename the file (to anything that doesn't end with .rules - or into > another directory), reboot, and see what you have. If a new one isn't > generated, just rename the old one and reboot. > -- > derek Ok. Cool. So, I renamed my 70-persistent-cd.rules file to .orig and rebooted. Here are the results. ph03nix at server:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_cd_rules # program, probably run by the cd-aliases-generator.rules rules file. # # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line # and set the $GENERATED variable. # DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" # DVD1240E (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0) ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", SYMLINK+="dvd1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/cdrom -> scd1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/cdrom1 -> scd0 ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/dvd -> scd1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/dvd1 -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/dvdrw -> scd1 So, that appears to have worked well. This box is a holdover from feisty, I think. I've just upgraded it every time since it's my server and I hate trying to get my mail set back up. -- Ph03nix Fran Lebowitz - "Life is something to do when you can't get to sleep." From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:31:12 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:31:12 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <944d71fe0809021225u7eeab93fr47a0ab2d56554f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <1629081.3Gio5pTlCr@cedar.serverforest.com> <944d71fe0809021225u7eeab93fr47a0ab2d56554f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Silent Ph03nix wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> So this is the heart of the problem. I should have asked for: >> ls -l /dev/disk/by-path >> too, but I think I know what it would show. >> >> When your system identified your CD/DVDs as IDE, the hardware "path" was >> pci-0000:00:09.0-ide-1:0. Now that they're being id'd as SCSI, the path is >> pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0. When the new symlinks were generated, it >> didn't delete the old & obsolete rules. >> >> I believe that if you simply >> deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules, on the next reboot it >> would be built correctly. BUT I HAVEN'T TESTED THAT! So, you might want >> to rename the file (to anything that doesn't end with .rules - or into >> another directory), reboot, and see what you have. If a new one isn't >> generated, just rename the old one and reboot. >> -- >> derek > > Ok. Cool. So, I renamed my 70-persistent-cd.rules file to .orig and > rebooted. Here are the results. > > > ph03nix at server:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_cd_rules > # program, probably run by the cd-aliases-generator.rules rules file. > # > # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line > # and set the $GENERATED variable. > > # DVDRAM_GSA-H10L (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-1:0:0:0", > SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > # DVD1240E (pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0) > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", > SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:09.0-scsi-0:0:1:0", > SYMLINK+="dvd1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" > > ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/cdrom -> scd1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/cdrom1 -> scd0 > > ph03nix at server:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/dvd -> scd1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/dvd1 -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-09-02 14:18 /dev/dvdrw -> scd1 > > So, that appears to have worked well. This box is a holdover from > feisty, I think. I've just upgraded it every time since it's my > server and I hate trying to get my mail set back up. > > -- > Ph03nix > Fran Lebowitz - "Life is something to do when you can't get to sleep." The longer I have Ubuntu the more I dread upgrades because I get it just right and then it all breaks again. Not just talking errors here. There are all the custom things I like that get lost too. Sometimes the middle ages with little change in a life starts looking good after watching how fast computers change. I still know the C64 memory locations for stuff. Talk about useless knowledge! This error has been a fun ride and glad to be RID of it! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:32:13 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:32:13 -0600 Subject: Q: how to share printer in hardy? Message-ID: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> I must be missing something really obvious... I have an officejet 4215 that I just attached to a hardy kubuntu box. I want to share it with a Windows box, but I can't find the magic dialogue anywhere that will let me do that. (I even tried manually editing smb.conf, but for some reason the windows box says "access denied; unable to connect"; probably I'm messing up one of the bzillion authentication commands in the smb.conf file, although I have cut-and-pasted that section from several places all of which purport to work (such as the smb.conf man page).) Can someone please tell me where to find the right place to configure this? No, googling didn't help.... :-( Doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:33:54 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:33:54 +0300 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > I have been bouncing back and forth between 3.5.10 and 4.1. This is > inside a VBox VM. Recently 4.1 gets part way through the startup process (the > 2nd, 3rd and 4th icons start to fuzz-in as it were) when the entire screen > goes white. I can still see and move my mouse pointer but nothing else shows. > Has anyone else seen this or have a pointer to what might be going on? > > could it be an empty screen? try right-clicking, maybe it's a screen with no widgets, just a guess -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 19:50:09 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:50:09 +0300 Subject: Q: how to share printer in hardy? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BD98F1.9030809@gmail.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > I must be missing something really obvious... > > I have an officejet 4215 that I just attached to a hardy kubuntu box. I want > to share it with a Windows box, but I can't find the magic dialogue anywhere > that will let me do that. > > (I even tried manually editing smb.conf, but for some reason the windows box > says "access denied; unable to connect"; probably I'm messing up one of the > bzillion authentication commands in the smb.conf file, although I have > cut-and-pasted that section from several places all of which purport to work > (such as the smb.conf man page).) > > Can someone please tell me where to find the right place to configure this? > > No, googling didn't help.... :-( > > Doc > > i didn't mess with any smb.conf file while setting up my shared samsung ml-1610, but on the windows machines i use an executable called winsteg.exe downloaded from adobe's website, it set up postscript printers, and i find it easy to use. i got these info from a website, i'll see if i can find it and post a link later on, but most of the settings to be configured are cups settings as far as i remember. -- Willy K. 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I want > to share it with a Windows box, but I can't find the magic dialogue anywhere > that will let me do that. > > (I even tried manually editing smb.conf, but for some reason the windows box > says "access denied; unable to connect"; probably I'm messing up one of the > bzillion authentication commands in the smb.conf file, although I have > cut-and-pasted that section from several places all of which purport to work > (such as the smb.conf man page).) > > Can someone please tell me where to find the right place to configure this? > > No, googling didn't help.... :-( > > Doc > > here is some links http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/sharing_with_windows.html http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/IX.CUPS-Samba/IX.Samba-HOWTO-Collection-Chapter-7.html -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW: Congrats for solving the mystery why there were /dev/dvd1 and /dev/cdrom1 but not /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom. Nils From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 20:03:50 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:03:50 +0300 Subject: Q: how to share printer in hardy? In-Reply-To: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> References: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BD9C26.3050607@gmail.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > I must be missing something really obvious... > > I have an officejet 4215 that I just attached to a hardy kubuntu box. I want > to share it with a Windows box, but I can't find the magic dialogue anywhere > that will let me do that. > > (I even tried manually editing smb.conf, but for some reason the windows box > says "access denied; unable to connect"; probably I'm messing up one of the > bzillion authentication commands in the smb.conf file, although I have > cut-and-pasted that section from several places all of which purport to work > (such as the smb.conf man page).) > > Can someone please tell me where to find the right place to configure this? > > No, googling didn't help.... :-( > > Doc > > i was still working on recovering my /sharedstuff diectory when i remembered it contained my printer drivers to be shared, a quick google search for, sharedstuff samba cups, gave the page i originally used to set up my printer, there you go http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3621876 -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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That's good > because there is only one section of the kernel responsible for disks, > but it is confusing for users. Especially for users who know there is a > difference between IDE and SCSI and that IDE devices used to have hd* > names. > > BTW: Congrats for solving the mystery why there were /dev/dvd1 > and /dev/cdrom1 but not /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom. > > > Nils Thanks, but I am not really sure that I should get the credit. All I did was see that it was not an encryption error but something wrong with the drive numbers/ids (whatever it is called) and guess that missing dvd in the devs must be wrong and therefor something setting that up was broken. Lots of others help get to the bottom of it. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From silentph03nix at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 20:28:45 2008 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:28:45 -0500 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809022154.15539.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <944d71fe0809021328y4be136c5la6ae4b6f86c580ef@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Knapp wrote: > > Thanks, but I am not really sure that I should get the credit. All I > did was see that it was not an encryption error but something wrong > with the drive numbers/ids (whatever it is called) and guess that > missing dvd in the devs must be wrong and therefor something setting > that up was broken. Lots of others help get to the bottom of it. > > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp Yeah, gotta give thanks to Derek for pointing us to the 70-persistent-cd.rules file. So, well done. -- Ph03nix George Carlin - "In comic strips, the person on the right always speaks first." From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 20:37:23 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:37:23 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: <944d71fe0809021328y4be136c5la6ae4b6f86c580ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809022154.15539.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809021328y4be136c5la6ae4b6f86c580ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Silent Ph03nix wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Knapp wrote: >> >> Thanks, but I am not really sure that I should get the credit. All I >> did was see that it was not an encryption error but something wrong >> with the drive numbers/ids (whatever it is called) and guess that >> missing dvd in the devs must be wrong and therefor something setting >> that up was broken. Lots of others help get to the bottom of it. >> >> >> >> -- >> Douglas E Knapp > > Yeah, gotta give thanks to Derek for pointing us to the > 70-persistent-cd.rules file. So, well done. > > -- > Ph03nix > George Carlin - "In comic strips, the person on the right always speaks first." Thanks, Derek :-) Really all of you too! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Sep 2 20:39:35 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:39:35 -0700 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:33:54PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > could it be an empty screen? try right-clicking, maybe it's a screen > with no widgets, just a guess Nope, no combo of mouse clicks or keyboard shortcuts yields any results positive or negative. Just a pure white screen with a mouse pointer. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mlsoft at videotron.ca Tue Sep 2 20:48:25 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:48:25 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809020757.38542.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200809021648.25354.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 08:32:57 Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM, David McGlone wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 2:28:32 am Knapp wrote: > >> > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here > >> > is an example of mine: > >> > > >> > Section "Device" > >> > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >> > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > >> > Driver "fglrx" > >> > > >> > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > >> > any choppy video now. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > David M. > >> > >> Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? > > > > I'm not completely sure. I have never owened an Nvidia. I watch a lot of > > guitar instructional videos and I was having all the jerky problems as knapp > > describe. > > I did not post that. Just asked about nvidia. > > > You also may need to set DMA but I wanted to take it a step at a time so > > nobody gets confused. > > > > David M. > > BTW the dma command does not work on my computer, all I get is this. > What is iocti?? It is just an IDE dvd burnner on 8.04 and yes that is > the right device; scd0. > > sudo hdparm /dev/scd0 > douglas at frog:/$ sudo hdparm /dev/scd0 > [sudo] password for douglas: > > /dev/scd0: > IO_support = 0 (default) > 16-bit) > HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 256 (on) > HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > Try with sudo sdparm /dev/scd0 sdparm is the pendent of hdparm for scsi bus -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 21:08:21 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:08:21 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809021648.25354.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809020757.38542.d.mcglone@att.net> <200809021648.25354.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: > Try with > > sudo sdparm /dev/scd0 > > sdparm is the pendent of hdparm for scsi bus > > > > -- > Martin Laberge douglas at frog:~$ sudo sdparm /dev/scd0 /dev/scd0: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB00 [cd/dvd] Read write error recovery mode page: AWRE 0 [cha: y, def: 0] ARRE 0 [cha: n, def: 0] PER 0 [cha: y, def: 0] Write parameters (MMC) mode page: BUFE 0 [cha: y, def: 0] WR_T 1 [cha: y, def: 1] MULTI_S 3 [cha: y, def: 3] Informational exceptions control mode page: EWASC 0 [cha: n, def: 0] DEXCPT 0 [cha: n, def: 0] MRIE 0 [cha: n, def: 0] What does all that mean to you? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 23:54:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:54:08 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2195300.cS0LTaIE7u@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >> >>> As a former programmer, I find that really interesting. I would bet >>> that they skipped all the installs from before and just started after >>> that. Mine skips the first slot with one drive and yours skips the >>> first 2 with 2 drives. Question is was it a mistake or a failed plan? >>> >> Sort of both, I suspect. When IDE drives first started to migrate to >> SCSI, they must have manually removed the old rules, since most of us >> don't have >> this problem. Yours seem to have been in the second wave of migrations, >> and that _didn't_ get done. I suspect the people testing it had already >> been through that migration, so didn't see a regression. > > But why change it to from IDE to SCSI? My drive is plugged into an IDE > port. Because the kernel now treats all disk devices the same way. I'm not quite sure, though, why this didn't happen for _everybody_ at the same time. Some kinds of IDE device didn't get converted when the majority did, though. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 23:58:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:58:12 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <42111754.KFX74UAktu@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2561341.hGh4o3y62N@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: >>> # TSSTcorpCDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0) >>> # CDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0) > >>> Now that is odd. I have one CD player and have always had one and it >>> has NEVER changed! Oh, wait a second those 2 are the same?? IS that >>> normal? >>> >>> >> I'm not sure which "two" you mean are the same. > By two I meant the two at the top of this page. They start out > different but are really the same device. > > The dvd and cdrom links are >> to your _players_, the *rw links are to your _recorders_ - and of course >> for most people they're all the same physical device. But the device >> names ending in "1" are _not_ the same as the others - one has an IDE >> path and >> the other has a SCSI path. I'll give you the same advice as phoenix - >> rename your 70-persistent-cd.rules to something not ending in .rules, >> reboot, and see if it's generated a new, correct, one. If not, just >> rename the old one back. >> -- >> derek > > Ahead of you. It is done and it worked. DVD is now in dev and dvd1 is > gone same for the cd1 stuff too. Guess I should change back the > kaffiene settings but they still will work with /dev/scd0 of course. Excellent. I'll update the bug report I pointed you to, to indicate the real cause (and the proper fix), and file another for udev. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 2 23:56:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:56:24 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809022154.15539.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809021328y4be136c5la6ae4b6f86c580ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5606367.FCFBSh75td@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Silent Ph03nix > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Knapp wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, but I am not really sure that I should get the credit. All I >>> did was see that it was not an encryption error but something wrong >>> with the drive numbers/ids (whatever it is called) and guess that >>> missing dvd in the devs must be wrong and therefor something setting >>> that up was broken. Lots of others help get to the bottom of it. >> >> Yeah, gotta give thanks to Derek for pointing us to the >> 70-persistent-cd.rules file. So, well done. > > Thanks, Derek :-) > Really all of you too! Well debugging is my life :-( I just knew where the problem had to be when we established that the error wasn't really encryption. Figuring out that that was a red herring was the biggest part of finding the solution. -- derek From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 00:20:55 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:20:55 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BD4F36.5010209@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BD4F36.5010209@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:35:34 am Billie Walsh wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >>> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. > >>> Here is an example of mine: > >>> > >>> Section "Device" > >>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >>> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > >>> Driver "fglrx" > >>> > >>> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > >>> any choppy video now. > >> > >> This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of > >> etc/x11/xorg.conf > >> > >> Section "Device" > >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >> EndSection > >> > >> Thats all there is. > > > > It seems to be that Linux is switching over to totally auto configure > > instead of using configure files. I don't KNOW this but it seems to be > > what is happening. My xorg.conf was blank like that too but I had to > > add a lot. Just be sure to make a backup of the original and then play > > with it. Did you try David's idea? > > I haven't had a chance to try his suggestion yet. I was up half the > night with trashed video settings. *<]:oD > > First I made sure the fglrx drivers were all in place. Then I went > through System Settings to set the video driver to fglrx. Bad idea!! > After restarting all I could get was 800x600 resolution. System settings > couldn't "fix" it. Long story short, after messing with it for a couple > hours I finally opened a terminal and "sudo dolphin". Deleted all but > one known good version of xorg.conf from an earlier setup, renamed it > "xorg.conf", renamed the "falback" conf to keep it from running, crossed > my fingers and restarted. Back to 1280x1024 where it belongs. One part > lucky, one part stupid. How did you check for the fglrx drivers? did you use the command fgl_glxgears? also how did you install the drivers? Did you use the hardware drivers manager? I remember not too long ago, I had this same problem. If I recall correctly I solved it by logging into safe settings starting X and changing things from there, from then on I could change it under a normal session even after re-installing a couple times. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 00:26:56 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:26:56 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809021648.25354.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200809022026.56778.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 5:08:21 pm Knapp wrote: > > Try with > > > > sudo sdparm /dev/scd0 > > > > sdparm is the pendent of hdparm for scsi bus > > > > > > > > -- > > Martin Laberge > > douglas at frog:~$ sudo sdparm /dev/scd0 > /dev/scd0: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB00 [cd/dvd] > Read write error recovery mode page: > AWRE 0 [cha: y, def: 0] > ARRE 0 [cha: n, def: 0] > PER 0 [cha: y, def: 0] > Write parameters (MMC) mode page: > BUFE 0 [cha: y, def: 0] > WR_T 1 [cha: y, def: 1] > MULTI_S 3 [cha: y, def: 3] > Informational exceptions control mode page: > EWASC 0 [cha: n, def: 0] > DEXCPT 0 [cha: n, def: 0] > MRIE 0 [cha: n, def: 0] > > What does all that mean to you? it means your DVD rom is on scd0 and is alive and well. ;-) after you issued that command have you tried to play a DVD now? -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 00:32:01 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:32:01 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809020757.38542.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200809022032.01989.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 8:32:57 am Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM, David McGlone wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 2:28:32 am Knapp wrote: > >> > Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. > >> > Here is an example of mine: > >> > > >> > Section "Device" > >> > Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >> > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > >> > Driver "fglrx" > >> > > >> > Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > >> > any choppy video now. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > David M. > >> > >> Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? > > > > I'm not completely sure. I have never owened an Nvidia. I watch a lot of > > guitar instructional videos and I was having all the jerky problems as > > knapp describe. > > I did not post that. Just asked about nvidia. My mistake. I wasn't paying attention to who posted. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 00:38:44 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:38:44 -0400 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200809022038.44665.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 4:39:35 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:33:54PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > could it be an empty screen? try right-clicking, maybe it's a screen > > with no widgets, just a guess > > Nope, no combo of mouse clicks or keyboard shortcuts yields any results > positive or negative. Just a pure white screen with a mouse pointer. Have you tried re-configuring X? -- David M. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 01:24:30 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:24:30 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is no longer borked. In-Reply-To: <48BD70B8.4090703@swbell.net> References: <48BCDCFF.20907@ozemail.com.au> <48BD1F0C.2060102@verizon.net> <48BD70B8.4090703@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BDE74E.7070907@swbell.net> Sorry. I'm claiming a senior moment. I got mixed up on which thread. Please ignore everything I replied. Billie Walsh wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: >> >> >>> Rod Lovett wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Oh well changing the xine engine parameter media in Kaffeine settings from dev/cdrom and dev/dvd both to /dev/scdo stops all this sillyness and survives reboot so once again well done Douglas. >>>> Cheers >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> >>>> This "scd0 advice" was certainly somewhat more helpful than the below su(do) advice dictated too often in (K)ubuntu land. >>>> >>>> >>> I still think this may be a bigger problem. I have two DVD drives, and >>> the suggested solution only would fix the problem with one of the devices. >>> >>> To confuse matters, one of my DVD drives is an IDE, and the other a SATA. >>> >>> My suspicion is that this is a HAL/DBUS problem at heart. >>> >>> >> I think you are most likely right. Can you post your ftab file? >> > > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > # /dev/hda1 > UUID=f5818467-4e5c-4219-94f2-182bf7e6b42b / ext3 > nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1 > # /dev/hda5 > UUID=b06ff899-4a37-4613-9020-5ada5959c8b9 none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/sdc /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/sda3 /media/SuSE auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 > /dev/sdb1 /media/NTFS auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 > > I have three hard drives and two cd/dvd. One IDE, Kubuntu, and two SATA, > XP and OpenSuse. > > >> And >> also look and see what you have in /dev/ as far as cd and dvd stuff? >> Use ls -al to get the links to show. I am just wondering what IS going >> on. >> > > I posted a list of he CD/DVD listed in /dev in another post > > -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Sep 3 01:31:14 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:31:14 -0700 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <200809022038.44665.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> <200809022038.44665.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48BDE8E2.1090201@dmiyu.org> david wrote: > Have you tried re-configuring X? No. 3.5.10 is working fine. If X were borked then 3.5.10 would not work. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 02:06:26 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:06:26 -0500 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <1400845.YugbQfD9ff@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48BDF122.8080408@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Knapp wrote: >> >> >>> As a former programmer, I find that really interesting. I would bet >>> that they skipped all the installs from before and just started after >>> that. Mine skips the first slot with one drive and yours skips the >>> first 2 with 2 drives. Question is was it a mistake or a failed plan? >>> >>> >> Sort of both, I suspect. When IDE drives first started to migrate to SCSI, >> they must have manually removed the old rules, since most of us don't have >> this problem. Yours seem to have been in the second wave of migrations, >> and that _didn't_ get done. I suspect the people testing it had already >> been through that migration, so didn't see a regression. >> -- >> derek >> > > But why change it to from IDE to SCSI? My drive is plugged into an IDE port. > > > A while back on a suse list there was some chatter about this subject. I don't recall all the gory details because at the time I wasn't terribly concerned with it. But it boils down to the kernel, or whatever, no longer tags drives by "hd". It tags all drives with an "s". That no longer designates scsi. If I remember right some people were not happy about this change. Basically, it boils down to a basic change within Linux. -- Life is what happens while your busy makeing other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 03:17:39 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:17:39 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BD4F36.5010209@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> david wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:35:34 am Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Knapp wrote: >> >>>>> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. >>>>> Here is an example of mine: >>>>> >>>>> Section "Device" >>>>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >>>>> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >>>>> Driver "fglrx" >>>>> >>>>> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have >>>>> any choppy video now. >>>>> >>>> This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of >>>> etc/x11/xorg.conf >>>> >>>> Section "Device" >>>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >>>> EndSection >>>> >>>> Thats all there is. >>>> >>> It seems to be that Linux is switching over to totally auto configure >>> instead of using configure files. I don't KNOW this but it seems to be >>> what is happening. My xorg.conf was blank like that too but I had to >>> add a lot. Just be sure to make a backup of the original and then play >>> with it. Did you try David's idea? >>> >> I haven't had a chance to try his suggestion yet. I was up half the >> night with trashed video settings. *<]:oD >> >> First I made sure the fglrx drivers were all in place. Then I went >> through System Settings to set the video driver to fglrx. Bad idea!! >> After restarting all I could get was 800x600 resolution. System settings >> couldn't "fix" it. Long story short, after messing with it for a couple >> hours I finally opened a terminal and "sudo dolphin". Deleted all but >> one known good version of xorg.conf from an earlier setup, renamed it >> "xorg.conf", renamed the "falback" conf to keep it from running, crossed >> my fingers and restarted. Back to 1280x1024 where it belongs. One part >> lucky, one part stupid. >> > > How did you check for the fglrx drivers? > Opened Adept and looked. > did you use the command fgl_glxgears? > No. But I just tried it and got this silly rotating box with gears twirling around. Looks like it might be intended to be a screen saver of some sort. > also how did you install the drivers? > Again, Adept. > Did you use the hardware drivers manager? > No. I don't even know what "the hardware drivers manager" is. > I remember not too long ago, I had this same problem. If I recall correctly I > solved it by logging into safe settings starting X and changing things from > there, from then on I could change it under a normal session even after > re-installing a couple times. > > > I'm a command line dummy. I need the book, "CLI For Dummies". Some say that makes me a very poor Linux user. But looking at it the other way around. Not being conversant in CLI I tend to look for GUI methods of doing things. Many times I see someone giving long lists of CLI commands to do something I can do in just a few seconds with my mouse in the GUI. Take for instance adding "Option "VideoOverlay" "on"" to xorg.conf. My method: Open Dolphin navigate to /etc/x11/ - About three mouse clicks highlight xorg.conf - hover over the file on the right side "Edit as Root" enter password, hit enter scroll down to where it gets added add line save exit DONE Dolphin automatically makes a backup of the file for me. [ Never understand why people don't like Dolphin. I find it incredibly handy for many things. ] One of the biggest complaints I get whenever talking to someone about using Linux is, "you have to be a programmer to use it" or "everything has to be done in a text screen" [ CLI ]. I usually hand them my computer and tell them to look at it. Most times they are impressed at what it looks like and how it works. -- Life is what happens while your busy makeing other plans. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 04:19:10 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:19:10 +0200 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48BE103E.7010408@gmail.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:33:54PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> could it be an empty screen? try right-clicking, maybe it's a screen >> with no widgets, just a guess > > Nope, no combo of mouse clicks or keyboard shortcuts yields any results > positive or negative. Just a pure white screen with a mouse pointer. > > Did you switch on Desktop Effects? I did that in my VBox 4.1 and the screen went black, not white... I somehow managed to recover but can't remember how. From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Sep 3 05:06:51 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:06:51 -0700 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <48BE103E.7010408@gmail.com> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> <48BE103E.7010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BE1B6B.90502@dmiyu.org> O. Sinclair wrote: > Did you switch on Desktop Effects? I did that in my VBox 4.1 and the > screen went black, not white... I somehow managed to recover but can't > remember how. I don't believe I did but I wouldn't be surprised if something, somewhere tripped them on. It seems like a reasonable explanation. I'll presume that's the case and try to figure out a way to verify they're on and disable them if they are. Thanks. From kassube at gmx.net Wed Sep 3 05:23:52 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:23:52 +0200 Subject: Well done Douglas In-Reply-To: References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <200809022154.15539.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200809030723.52771.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > Thanks, but I am not really sure that I should get the credit. Sorry, I didn't mention Derek as well, but I think you both solved it. Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 06:27:10 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:27:10 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BD4F36.5010209@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> Message-ID: >> did you use the command fgl_glxgears? >> > > No. But I just tried it and got this silly rotating box with gears > twirling around. Looks like it might be intended to be a screen saver of > some sort. That is good that you got that. It is a test. You see it uses the graphics in a way that it would NOT work if your system was broken. So by saying you got it means your system passed that test. >> Did you use the hardware drivers manager? >> > > No. I don't even know what "the hardware drivers manager" is. Me ether. I will have to google it. > > I'm a command line dummy. I need the book, "CLI For Dummies". Have you seen all the posts here about rute book? You can load it with adept and read it. I like adept too but sometimes apt-get is much faster. CLI if I know exactly what I want to install and gui if I am browsing or searching. >Some say > that makes me a very poor Linux user. But looking at it the other way > around. Not being conversant in CLI I tend to look for GUI methods of > doing things. Many times I see someone giving long lists of CLI commands > to do something I can do in just a few seconds with my mouse in the GUI. Ya, sometimes it is like that. I often find it easier to move files around using konquerer and CLI > One of the biggest complaints I get whenever talking to someone about > using Linux is, "you have to be a programmer to use it" or "everything > has to be done in a text screen" [ CLI ]. I usually hand them my > computer and tell them to look at it. Most times they are impressed at > what it looks like and how it works. This is mostly holdover image from 10 years back. I remember my first try at Linux. It was like trying to install a raw Gentoo distro without manuals. The image will takes some time to catch up, especially when it is still sometimes true. I compare the GUI to the CLI by saying it is like a car with auto transmission VS one that is manual. Auto will always get you there but with manual you can go fast when you want and you can conserve gas when you want. Of course computers on both ends are a whole lot more complex. Learning the CLI will give you much more power than just GUI but at least now we can mostly avoid it, if we are happy with the statusquo... -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 06:46:51 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:46:51 -0400 Subject: apache package Message-ID: <1220424411.5096.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> I'm having problems locating the apache package. Thanks for any help. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 07:03:14 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:03:14 -0500 Subject: apache package In-Reply-To: <1220424411.5096.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1220424411.5096.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > I'm having problems locating the apache package. Thanks for any help. > Ric > Try apache2 or sudo apt-get install apache2 -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Sep 3 09:40:49 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:40:49 -0400 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <48BDE8E2.1090201@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <200809022038.44665.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BDE8E2.1090201@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200809030540.49614.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Ahem, That's what I would have assumed. I've seen the white screen on most 4.1 logins, but it is usually replaced by a normal desktop in a few seconds. However, I've had a variety of odd behaviors w/ 4.1 on a system that has 3.5.9. I haven't traced any of the problems, but in general I would say that 4.1 sometimes behaves badly w/ certain X configurations and it definitely interacts with the 3.5 configuration. I suggest using a minimum xorg.conf file (comment out everything you don't absolutely need, which for a single screen config is just about everything). What happens? Rename both ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 and then start kde4. What happens? Quit, replace the new ~/.kde4 w/ the saved one and restart kde4. What happens? Start kde3. Quit and restart kde4. What happens? Restore the saved ~/.kde3. Restart kde4. What happens? Paul On Tuesday 02 September 2008 9:31:14 Steve Lamb wrote: > david wrote: > > Have you tried re-configuring X? > > No. 3.5.10 is working fine. If X were borked then 3.5.10 would not > work. From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 11:32:58 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:32:58 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 11:17:39 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > david wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:35:34 am Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Knapp wrote: > >>>>> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. > >>>>> Here is an example of mine: > >>>>> > >>>>> Section "Device" > >>>>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >>>>> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > >>>>> Driver "fglrx" > >>>>> > >>>>> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't > >>>>> have any choppy video now. > >>>> > >>>> This just gets weirder and weirder. Here is my section of > >>>> etc/x11/xorg.conf > >>>> > >>>> Section "Device" > >>>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >>>> EndSection > >>>> > >>>> Thats all there is. > >>> > >>> It seems to be that Linux is switching over to totally auto configure > >>> instead of using configure files. I don't KNOW this but it seems to be > >>> what is happening. My xorg.conf was blank like that too but I had to > >>> add a lot. Just be sure to make a backup of the original and then play > >>> with it. Did you try David's idea? > >> > >> I haven't had a chance to try his suggestion yet. I was up half the > >> night with trashed video settings. *<]:oD > >> > >> First I made sure the fglrx drivers were all in place. Then I went > >> through System Settings to set the video driver to fglrx. Bad idea!! > >> After restarting all I could get was 800x600 resolution. System settings > >> couldn't "fix" it. Long story short, after messing with it for a couple > >> hours I finally opened a terminal and "sudo dolphin". Deleted all but > >> one known good version of xorg.conf from an earlier setup, renamed it > >> "xorg.conf", renamed the "falback" conf to keep it from running, crossed > >> my fingers and restarted. Back to 1280x1024 where it belongs. One part > >> lucky, one part stupid. > > > > How did you check for the fglrx drivers? > > Opened Adept and looked. > > > did you use the command fgl_glxgears? > > No. But I just tried it and got this silly rotating box with gears > twirling around. Looks like it might be intended to be a screen saver of > some sort. This is a test and means you have 3D enabled and it will tell you how many frames per second (fps) you are achieving. > > > also how did you install the drivers? > > Again, Adept. > > > Did you use the hardware drivers manager? > > No. I don't even know what "the hardware drivers manager" is. kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager Or alt+f2 jockey-kde The Hardware drivers manager helps you install proprietary drivers for your system. In other words it will automagically install the ATI graphics drivers for you. > > > I remember not too long ago, I had this same problem. If I recall > > correctly I solved it by logging into safe settings starting X and > > changing things from there, from then on I could change it under a normal > > session even after re-installing a couple times. > > I'm a command line dummy. I need the book, "CLI For Dummies". Some say > that makes me a very poor Linux user. But looking at it the other way > around. Not being conversant in CLI I tend to look for GUI methods of > doing things. Many times I see someone giving long lists of CLI commands > to do something I can do in just a few seconds with my mouse in the GUI. > > Take for instance adding "Option "VideoOverlay" "on"" to xorg.conf. > > My method: > Open Dolphin > navigate to /etc/x11/ - About three mouse clicks > highlight xorg.conf - hover over the file > on the right side "Edit as Root" > enter password, hit enter > scroll down to where it gets added > add line > save > exit > DONE Here is my menthod: open konsole type sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf add line hit ctrl+s to save exit > > Dolphin automatically makes a backup of the file for me. [ Never > understand why people don't like Dolphin. I find it incredibly handy for > many things. ] My problem with dolphin is when you select to show hidden files, then change the directory the files are hidden again. > > One of the biggest complaints I get whenever talking to someone about > using Linux is, "you have to be a programmer to use it" or "everything > has to be done in a text screen" [ CLI ]. I usually hand them my > computer and tell them to look at it. Most times they are impressed at > what it looks like and how it works. I guess it all depends on the person. I use the CLI mostly when I want to get things done quicker. I also know several ways to accomplish a task, so when I get ready to do something whatever method I naturally go for first is what I use. When troubleshooting, I would say I aim for the CLI 99% of the time. David M. From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au Wed Sep 3 11:38:51 2008 From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:38:51 +1000 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 Message-ID: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> Hi guys, I am a simple fix guy, and replacing the /dev/cd and /dev/dvd both with /dev/scd0 sure worked for me, and seems logical given what the cd/dvd calls itself (ie scd0) mounted in (K)ubuntu Hardy. And It is the same in Ibex KDE 4.01 as well. It sure fixed both Kaffeine and Xine which also gave the encryption error. Surely I am not a unique case out there, there must have been many with the same problem. No jerky replay either, it works great. Incidentally kscd would not play either until I went into the configuration and confirmed the /dev/scd0 it had detected and then it was fine too playing cd's. So thanx again Douglas for that vital piece of information, for me the case seems closed and proven from 3 packages now. Surely thee times proves it. Cheers Rod From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 11:39:35 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:39:35 -0400 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <48BDE8E2.1090201@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <200809022038.44665.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BDE8E2.1090201@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200809030739.36069.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 9:31:14 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > david wrote: > > Have you tried re-configuring X? > > No. 3.5.10 is working fine. If X were borked then 3.5.10 would not > work. Ah that is true. I sure wasn't paying attention to the original post. DUH Me. David M. From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Sep 3 12:23:29 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:23:29 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <48BE81C1.4040608@verizon.net> Rod Lovett wrote: > I am a simple fix guy, and replacing the /dev/cd and /dev/dvd > both with /dev/scd0 sure worked for me, and seems logical given what the > cd/dvd calls itself (ie scd0) mounted in (K)ubuntu Hardy. And It is the > same in Ibex KDE 4.01 as well. > It sure fixed both Kaffeine and Xine which also gave the encryption error. Rod, It's not really a fix because it wouldn't fix the problem for those with multiple optical drives. The solution involving the udev rules is more elegant, and probably involves fewer steps, i.e. simpler, and yet more effective. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au Wed Sep 3 12:25:41 2008 From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:25:41 +1000 Subject: Further on Kaffeine, Xine and kscd Message-ID: <48BE8245.6000909@ozemail.com.au> Tried the scd0 fix on my main machine, a dual core AMD 64 with SATA2 drive and SATA dvd/cd writer with same good results, Kaffeine, xine and kscd all fixed. So hopefully one update perhaps this will be cleverly automated, but I fear pigs may fly first. This was by bringing the same drive across from the AMD 2400+ single core it was on before with IDE drives it was installed on----pretty neat. Kubuntu is the only linux distro I have found that can do this so far without problems. If there are 2 dvd drive, you could doubtless find out what they are called in storage media properties and maybe fix them too. Cheers Rod From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 12:32:57 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:32:57 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: On 9/3/08, Rod Lovett wrote: > Hi guys, > I am a simple fix guy, and replacing the /dev/cd and /dev/dvd > both with /dev/scd0 sure worked for me, and seems logical given what the > cd/dvd calls itself (ie scd0) mounted in (K)ubuntu Hardy. And It is the > same in Ibex KDE 4.01 as well. > It sure fixed both Kaffeine and Xine which also gave the encryption error. > > Surely I am not a unique case out there, there must have been many with > the same problem. > No jerky replay either, it works great. > Incidentally kscd would not play either until I went into the > configuration and confirmed the /dev/scd0 it had detected and then it > was fine too playing cd's. > So thanx again Douglas for that vital piece of information, for me the > case seems closed and proven from 3 packages now. > Surely thee times proves it. > Cheers > Rod Sorry to say this but Art Alexion is correct. The best thing to do is leave all those packages the way they were at first and just remove (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules Then reboot your computer. All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems and will make ALL the software work. The only bad side of this is that you should undo my first patch. The patch will still work though as long as the drive does not move from scd0 which it could if you add a new drive or upgrade your system. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 12:45:16 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:45:16 +0300 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <48BE1B6B.90502@dmiyu.org> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> <48BE103E.7010408@gmail.com> <48BE1B6B.90502@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48BE86DC.1000101@gmail.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Did you switch on Desktop Effects? I did that in my VBox 4.1 and the >> screen went black, not white... I somehow managed to recover but can't >> remember how. > > I don't believe I did but I wouldn't be surprised if something, somewhere > tripped them on. It seems like a reasonable explanation. I'll presume that's > the case and try to figure out a way to verify they're on and disable them if > they are. Thanks. > if i'm not mistaken, and assuming kde is still accepting keyboard strokes, alt-shift-f12 toggles desktop effects on and off, you could try this. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 13:01:03 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:01:03 -0600 Subject: Q: how to share printer in hardy? In-Reply-To: <48BD9C26.3050607@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> <48BD9C26.3050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BE8A8F.1050301@gmail.com> Willy K. Hamra said the following at 09/02/2008 02:03 PM : > > i was still working on recovering my /sharedstuff diectory when i > remembered it contained my printer drivers to be shared, a quick google > search for, sharedstuff samba cups, gave the page i originally used to > set up my printer, there you go > > http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3621876 > > Man! Is that the only way to share a printer? That, frankly, is ridiculous. I was sure that when I started messing with hand-editing smb.conf I was not doing the right thing... but now it turns out that not only should I be editing smb.conf, but I also need to find and hand-edit a CUPS configuration file as well :-( I've been sharing printers under Mandrake/Mandriva for years, and I don't recall ever having to edit a file manually. And now, FWIW, I still haven't been able to get it to work; Windows still keeps telling me that it can't connect. Almost certainly it's some kind of authentication error... but I can't find any way to tell if it's samba or cups that is complaining. The cups log file unhelpfully says that the jobs are received and printed just fine. My smb.conf file is rather complex (much more so than the examples on the pages to which you've pointed me), so I imagine that that's where the problem is. So I guess I'll keep ploughing on until I find the right combination of entries. This is very frustrating, though. One shouldn't have to spend hours of tinkering with configuration files just to put a printer on a network. Doc PS Thank you, anyway. I'm frustrated at Kubuntu, not you. PPS I waited a while to respond, in the hope that someone would say, "Oh, no; you don't have to do all that; it's easy: just click here and here". -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Sep 3 13:38:35 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:38:35 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <200809030938.41326.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 8:32:57 am Knapp wrote: > Sorry to say this but Art Alexion is correct. you are sorry that I am correct? :-D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 3 13:31:59 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:31:59 -0300 Subject: Well done Douglas References: <48BCBE2D.4080807@ozemail.com.au> <1816402.NpJ8SAEkFI@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809021721.35161.kassube@gmx.net> <944d71fe0809020936h70de5a85h271b341d89253fd3@mail.gmail.com> <42111754.KFX74UAktu@cedar.serverforest.com> <2561341.hGh4o3y62N@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <3996597.L3bXhd8CKC@cedar.serverforest.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >>>> # TSSTcorpCDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-ide-0:0) >>>> # CDDVDW_SH-S182D (pci-0000:00:04.0-scsi-0:0:0:0) >> >>>> Now that is odd. I have one CD player and have always had one and it >>>> has NEVER changed! Oh, wait a second those 2 are the same?? IS that >>>> normal? >>>> >>>> >>> I'm not sure which "two" you mean are the same. >> By two I meant the two at the top of this page. They start out >> different but are really the same device. >> >> The dvd and cdrom links are >>> to your _players_, the *rw links are to your _recorders_ - and of course >>> for most people they're all the same physical device. But the device >>> names ending in "1" are _not_ the same as the others - one has an IDE >>> path and >>> the other has a SCSI path. I'll give you the same advice as phoenix - >>> rename your 70-persistent-cd.rules to something not ending in .rules, >>> reboot, and see if it's generated a new, correct, one. If not, just >>> rename the old one back. >>> -- >>> derek >> >> Ahead of you. It is done and it worked. DVD is now in dev and dvd1 is >> gone same for the cd1 stuff too. Guess I should change back the >> kaffiene settings but they still will work with /dev/scd0 of course. > > Excellent. I'll update the bug report I pointed you to, to indicate the > real cause (and the proper fix), and file another for udev. Actually, I updated that one and pointed it to udev (https://bugs.launchpad.net/udev/+bug/230670) and put a note in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/231933 -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 3 13:58:40 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:58:40 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <1299685.jnnjET4m9v@cedar.serverforest.com> Rod Lovett wrote: > Hi guys, > I am a simple fix guy, and replacing the /dev/cd and /dev/dvd > both with /dev/scd0 sure worked for me, and seems logical given what the > cd/dvd calls itself (ie scd0) mounted in (K)ubuntu Hardy. And It is the > same in Ibex KDE 4.01 as well. The problem with doing it this way rather than keeping /dev/cd and /dev/dvd and fixing the udev links, is what happens _next_ time a kernel change changes the physical name of the device - kaffeine breaks again, but this time it's harder for the rest of us to debug, because you no longer have a stock configuration. -- derek From dave at thefletchers.net Wed Sep 3 14:06:23 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:06:23 +0100 Subject: Q: how to share printer in hardy? In-Reply-To: <48BE8A8F.1050301@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> <48BD9C26.3050607@gmail.com> <48BE8A8F.1050301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080903140328.3954912880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> So far I've only used Dapper Server as a print server, and I've not succeeded in getting Vista to print to it, but with XP it's a piece of cake. Install CUPS on the server. Remote configuration by web browser is disabled by default with Dapper. Might be different with Hardy, I don't know, but with Dapper you'll have to find a how-to to enable it if needed. If you're using a desktop machine as the server, no problem, just use http://localhost:631 and you should get CUPS administration. Add your printer(s). Create classes and add printers to them if you like. If you're running a firewall, make sure it lets port 631 in. On your XP machine, add a printer, choose the networked printer option, next, then the third option for a printer connected to the internet or home/office network, enter http://serverIPaddress:631/printersorclasses/nameofyourprinterorclassontheCUPSserver next, tell it to use the generic postscript driver, (MS Publisher Imagesetter seems to work for me), next, and that's about it. No messing around with Samba. Does this help? Dave Fletcher From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 3 14:04:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:04:57 -0300 Subject: Further on Kaffeine, Xine and kscd References: <48BE8245.6000909@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <1616175.eZqMFpsAV4@cedar.serverforest.com> Rod Lovett wrote: > Tried the scd0 fix on my main machine, a dual core AMD 64 with SATA2 > drive and SATA dvd/cd writer with same good results, Kaffeine, xine and > kscd all fixed. > So hopefully one update perhaps this will be cleverly automated, but I > fear pigs may fly first. I redirected the bug report to udev, but I rather doubt clever automation will fix this to everybody's enjoyment. The problem is that the software can't tell whether the PCI path has changed because the kernel has changed, or because the hardware has changed. If the hardware has changed, perhaps you're planning to put the old hardware back. Now, it seems to me that deleting the rules file on _every_ boot would do the job well enough, but I suspect there are users out there who'd be screaming for my blood if I were the developer who made that change :-) Perhaps it's time for udev to have two rules directories - one in /etc and one in /tmp, for rules it generates itself on boot. -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 15:23:54 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:23:54 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <200809030938.41326.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809030938.41326.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 03 September 2008 8:32:57 am Knapp wrote: >> Sorry to say this but Art Alexion is correct. > > you are sorry that I am correct? :-D > No sorry to say it. :-) (because it means more work for him) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 15:34:51 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:34:51 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 11:17:39 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > >> No. I don't even know what "the hardware drivers manager" is. >> > > kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager > Or > alt+f2 jockey-kde > > The Hardware drivers manager helps you install proprietary drivers for your > system. In other words it will automagically install the ATI graphics drivers > for you. > Never noticed it before. Learn something new every day. Out of curiosity I opened it. It shows the ATI accelerated graphics drivers installed and enabled. I didn't see any way to add, delete, or modify [ other than the enabled check box - I didn't click it *<]:o) ] anything. >> I'm a command line dummy. I need the book, "CLI For Dummies". Some say >> that makes me a very poor Linux user. But looking at it the other way >> around. Not being conversant in CLI I tend to look for GUI methods of >> doing things. Many times I see someone giving long lists of CLI commands >> to do something I can do in just a few seconds with my mouse in the GUI. >> >> Take for instance adding "Option "VideoOverlay" "on"" to xorg.conf. >> >> My method: >> Open Dolphin >> navigate to /etc/x11/ - About three mouse clicks >> highlight xorg.conf - hover over the file >> on the right side "Edit as Root" >> enter password, hit enter >> scroll down to where it gets added >> add line >> save >> exit >> DONE >> > > Here is my menthod: > open konsole > type sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf > add line > hit ctrl+s to save > exit > At least you didn't use vi. >> Dolphin automatically makes a backup of the file for me. [ Never >> understand why people don't like Dolphin. I find it incredibly handy for >> many things. ] >> > > My problem with dolphin is when you select to show hidden files, then change > the directory the files are hidden again. > There is that annoying feature. Perhaps someone with the know how will fix that some day. But, just maybe that isn't always a bad thing. Maybe it keeps me from doing something even stupider than I usually do. [ just kidding actually ] >> One of the biggest complaints I get whenever talking to someone about >> using Linux is, "you have to be a programmer to use it" or "everything >> has to be done in a text screen" [ CLI ]. I usually hand them my >> computer and tell them to look at it. Most times they are impressed at >> what it looks like and how it works. >> > > I guess it all depends on the person. I use the CLI mostly when I want to get > things done quicker. I also know several ways to accomplish a task, so when I > get ready to do something whatever method I naturally go for first is what I > use. When troubleshooting, I would say I aim for the CLI 99% of the time. > > > David M. If I wasn't such a CLI Dummy I probably would use it more. I've never found a "dictionary" of CLI commands that didn't assume one had more basic knowledge. Back in the Dark Ages [ DOS ] I found a "dictionary" that spelled out in VERY simple language how it all worked. It "assumed" if you were reading it that you were a complete dumb ass so used the K.I.S.S. Principle. Worked for me. *<]:oD -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 15:49:10 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:49:10 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > If I wasn't such a CLI Dummy I probably would use it more. I've never > found a "dictionary" of CLI commands that didn't assume one had more > basic knowledge. Back in the Dark Ages [ DOS ] I found a "dictionary" > that spelled out in VERY simple language how it all worked. It "assumed" > if you were reading it that you were a complete dumb ass so used the > K.I.S.S. Principle. Worked for me. *<]:oD Have you read rutebook yet? If you need help with command line, I would be happy to help. I like Kate too but vim is FUN and comes with a built in tutor! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Sep 3 16:04:22 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:04:22 -0700 Subject: 4.1 white screen? In-Reply-To: <48BE86DC.1000101@gmail.com> References: <20080902192251.GC6105@dmiyu.org> <48BD9522.6080106@gmail.com> <20080902203935.GD6105@dmiyu.org> <48BE103E.7010408@gmail.com> <48BE1B6B.90502@dmiyu.org> <48BE86DC.1000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080903160422.GA6386@dmiyu.org> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:45:16PM +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Did you switch on Desktop Effects? I did that in my VBox 4.1 and the > >> screen went black, not white... I somehow managed to recover but can't > >> remember how. [ Snippage of my comment in the middle ] > if i'm not mistaken, and assuming kde is still accepting keyboard > strokes, alt-shift-f12 toggles desktop effects on and off, you could try > this. You two deserve a gold star. O. Sinclair for hitting the problem and Willy K. Harma for providing the exact key sequence for the fix. :) Thanks everyone else for the suggestions. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 16:49:06 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:49:06 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> David McGlone wrote: >> >> If I wasn't such a CLI Dummy I probably would use it more. I've never >> found a "dictionary" of CLI commands that didn't assume one had more >> basic knowledge. Back in the Dark Ages [ DOS ] I found a "dictionary" >> that spelled out in VERY simple language how it all worked. It "assumed" >> if you were reading it that you were a complete dumb ass so used the >> K.I.S.S. Principle. Worked for me. *<]:oD >> > > Have you read rutebook yet? > Speaking of rute book. I just finished going through my e-mails so installed it using adept. It took some digging but I finally found where adept hid it. Kind of read through the contents pages so far. I moved it to someplace more accessible. > If you need help with command line, I would be happy to help. > Thanks for the offer. I'll give rute book a shot and see where I need to start asking stupid questions. > I like Kate too but vim is FUN and comes with a built in tutor! > and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD I looked at vim for just a bit but all that's installed right now is tiny-vim. After some experience with vi I don't know. > > -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 17:02:16 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:02:16 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BEC318.9040700@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> >>> David McGlone wrote: >>> >>> If I wasn't such a CLI Dummy I probably would use it more. I've never >>> found a "dictionary" of CLI commands that didn't assume one had more >>> basic knowledge. Back in the Dark Ages [ DOS ] I found a "dictionary" >>> that spelled out in VERY simple language how it all worked. It "assumed" >>> if you were reading it that you were a complete dumb ass so used the >>> K.I.S.S. Principle. Worked for me. *<]:oD >>> >> Have you read rutebook yet? >> > > Speaking of rute book. I just finished going through my e-mails so > installed it using adept. It took some digging but I finally found where > adept hid it. Kind of read through the contents pages so far. I moved it > to someplace more accessible. > >> If you need help with command line, I would be happy to help. >> > > Thanks for the offer. I'll give rute book a shot and see where I need to > start asking stupid questions. > >> I like Kate too but vim is FUN and comes with a built in tutor! >> > > and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD > > I looked at vim for just a bit but all that's installed right now is > tiny-vim. After some experience with vi I don't know. > i've been using the terminal for most of the administration work on kubuntu, for a year now, and still, rutebook provides a lot more info, stuff, i haven't experimented with yet. i didn't get the hinge of vim or vi, i prefer something simple like nano, or even better (beat me for saying this) i like dear old MS-DOS EDIT.COM :-P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 17:12:35 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:12:35 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> Message-ID: > and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD Better than walking around with a numb face all day. :-P > > I looked at vim for just a bit but all that's installed right now is > tiny-vim. After some experience with vi I don't know. There are two programs that are modal in nature and they give people fits that are not willing to take the time to learn them well. On is VIM AKA VI and the other is Blender3d. In both cases once you know it you will never want to go back to the slow inefficient style of the old ways, also both have great power once mastered. In the case of VIM, unless you have do a lot of editing and writing you are better off with Kate. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 17:28:08 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:28:08 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim Message-ID: sudo vim dhtn keys more the cursor around and the arrow keys work too. dd deletes current line 5dd deletes 5 lines including current line. r changes character under cursor i enters edit mode. (edit mode is just like Kate) esc exits edit mode :wq (saves file and quits) :w :q! quits no matter what is wrong, like an unsaved file. I bet there is not much more that you do with Kate most of the time. Am I wrong? For more check this out. http://tips.webdesign10.com/another-vim-tutorial -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 17:47:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:47:37 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Knapp : > sudo vim > > dhtn keys more the cursor around and the arrow keys work too. > > dd deletes current line > > 5dd deletes 5 lines including current line. > > r changes character under cursor > > i enters edit mode. (edit mode is just like Kate) > > esc exits edit mode > > :wq (saves file and quits) > > :w > > :q! quits no matter what is wrong, like an unsaved file. > > I bet there is not much more that you do with Kate most of the time. Am I wrong? > > For more check this out. > http://tips.webdesign10.com/another-vim-tutorial > Thanks, Douglas. How about logging into a remote server from my bookmarks within VIM, browsing to the file I need, and editing it on the server? While flipping tabs between a local file and a remote file? Yes, that is part of my daily workflow. Kate does all that. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Sep 3 18:35:21 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:35:21 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 11:49:10 am Knapp wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > David McGlone wrote: > > > > If I wasn't such a CLI Dummy I probably would use it more. I've never > > found a "dictionary" of CLI commands that didn't assume one had more > > basic knowledge. Back in the Dark Ages [ DOS ] I found a "dictionary" > > that spelled out in VERY simple language how it all worked. It "assumed" > > if you were reading it that you were a complete dumb ass so used the > > K.I.S.S. Principle. Worked for me. *<]:oD > > Have you read rutebook yet? > > If you need help with command line, I would be happy to help. > > I like Kate too but vim is FUN and comes with a built in tutor! The only time I use vi is when my X is broken. David M. From kassube at gmx.net Wed Sep 3 18:40:50 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:40:50 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809032040.50419.kassube@gmx.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, Douglas. How about logging into a remote server from my > bookmarks within VIM, browsing to the file I need, and editing it on > the server? While flipping tabs between a local file and a remote > file? > > Yes, that is part of my daily workflow. Kate does all that. Hey, what's that? Do you really want to start a flamewar vi <-> kate? Now that's something new :) Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 18:44:25 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:44:25 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Thanks, Douglas. How about logging into a remote server from my > bookmarks within VIM, browsing to the file I need, and editing it on > the server? While flipping tabs between a local file and a remote > file? > > Yes, that is part of my daily workflow. Kate does all that. > > -- > Dotan Cohen ROFLOL, I have no idea with VIM OR KATE! BTW I DO like kate. Kate has bookmarks?? This is coming from a person that uses it almost everyday. :-) HELP --- google. Somehow that must be more in the section for smart asses. Tabs in vim vim -p file1 file2 file3 That will open vim with 3 files each in it's own tab. gt in normal mode with switch tabs. For more read here. http://www.linux.com/feature/59533 Edit a romote file. I have no idea but I bet you can combine that with tabs. Now for the bookmarks. vim scp://user at host/[path_to_file] search this page for bookmark but I bet that is not quite what you had in mind. http://jmcpherson.org/editing.html You want to open a file on a remote machine with one click right? Perhaps a machro is what you want. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 18:51:51 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:51:51 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I forgot this link to the remote stuff: http://tipotheday.com/2008/06/08/editing-remote-files-with-vim-and-scp/ As for the bookmarks, one thing that I do is from the CLI press Ctrl-R and then type the same of the site you want. It will find the last time you typed that, then press enter. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 18:54:49 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:54:49 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: > The only time I use vi is when my X is broken. > > David M. > That is sort of how I learned it too. I had spent and hour earlier in the week using the vim tutor program to find out why everyone thought vim was so great and then my X broke so I used vim to fix it. Sort of grew from there. I like the way it highlights everything too. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 18:56:12 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:56:12 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Wednesday 03 September 2008 11:49:10 am Knapp wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> >>> David McGlone wrote: >>> >>> If I wasn't such a CLI Dummy I probably would use it more. I've never >>> found a "dictionary" of CLI commands that didn't assume one had more >>> basic knowledge. Back in the Dark Ages [ DOS ] I found a "dictionary" >>> that spelled out in VERY simple language how it all worked. It "assumed" >>> if you were reading it that you were a complete dumb ass so used the >>> K.I.S.S. Principle. Worked for me. *<]:oD >>> >> Have you read rutebook yet? >> >> If you need help with command line, I would be happy to help. >> >> I like Kate too but vim is FUN and comes with a built in tutor! >> > > The only time I use vi is when my X is broken. > > David M. > > > A while back I purchased an Asus EeePC with Xandros Linux installed. It's kernel was hardwired to not recognize anything over 1gig memory. I wanted 2gig. To make a long tedious story short. After trashing my boot sequence a couple times using vi and having to reload the OS I did finally get working. I would just about rather have that root canal without anesthetic than use it again. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 19:22:20 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:22:20 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> Message-ID: > A while back I purchased an Asus EeePC with Xandros Linux installed. > It's kernel was hardwired to not recognize anything over 1gig memory. I > wanted 2gig. To make a long tedious story short. After trashing my boot > sequence a couple times using vi and having to reload the OS I did > finally get working. I would just about rather have that root canal > without anesthetic than use it again. I can understand that. The first week of daily use of VIM must include a handy quick reference sheet by your side at all times. This is a power tool that you can use for life. You must learn how to use it and develop skills with it. The first time you tied you shoes, I bet you wished they had not invented shoelaces. All skills for complex tasks are like that. Once you master VIM you can do really incredible things with it in just a few key strokes. This link goes to a page of cool things that you can do with VIM but keep in mind it is ADVANCED for the most part. Don't let it scare you off. See my vim thread for more because we are way off topic for helping this poor slow drive. Did this problem get fixed?????? http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Vim_Tips -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 19:28:18 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:28:18 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Knapp. I was being a bit of a smartass in response to this question of yours in the original post: > I bet there is not much more that you do with Kate most > of the time. Am I wrong? I am sure that VIM had those features down pat back when Kate was called Little Katie and was being picked on in second grade. Both editors are great and I use them both: Kate when I have a GUI Linux machine nearby, and VIM when I have to SSH into the server with Putty. Though, I have not done nearly the heavy lifting with VIM as I have done with Kate, just small fixes here and there. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 3 19:25:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:25:24 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2378048.IsJ0qrpKMu@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD My dentist insists that the root canal she insists I need won't hurt because the nerve's long dead, so it shouldn't matter. I think the dentist is secretly laughing... Frankly, I think your problem is playing jerky. That slot on the side or front of your computer is for CDs and DVDs. DO NOT PUT JERKY IN THERE! Also, it is not a cup holder... -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 19:40:24 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:40:24 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, Knapp. I was being a bit of a smartass in response to this > question of yours in the original post: >> I bet there is not much more that you do with Kate most >> of the time. Am I wrong? > > I am sure that VIM had those features down pat back when Kate was > called Little Katie and was being picked on in second grade. > > Both editors are great and I use them both: Kate when I have a GUI > Linux machine nearby, and VIM when I have to SSH into the server with > Putty. Though, I have not done nearly the heavy lifting with VIM as I > have done with Kate, just small fixes here and there. > > -- > Dotan Cohen There is no doubt that VIM is old school! It has more power that almost any other piece of software out there due to use by programming nerds since 1976 vi and then 1991 vim. VIM is VI with improvements. VI stands for visual editor. IE gui of it's day! I am going to go and read about the visual mode of VIM because I don't know it at all. Best, -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 3 19:33:33 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:33:33 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4446276.yspjQaTEo6@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: >> and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD > > Better than walking around with a numb face all day. :-P > >> >> I looked at vim for just a bit but all that's installed right now is >> tiny-vim. After some experience with vi I don't know. > > There are two programs that are modal in nature and they give people > fits that are not willing to take the time to learn them well. On is > VIM AKA VI and the other is Blender3d. In both cases once you know it > you will never want to go back to the slow inefficient style of the > old ways, also both have great power once mastered. LOL. How many people actually use Blender? I don't know vi, don't want to, but I was once an Emacs guru, and since the subject of vi vs emacs can cause so many flame wars, I have to assume that the capabilities are at least similar. But I'm _never_ going back to Emacs - these _editors_ are just that: editors. All the other things they can do are just enormous time-wasters that suck you in. Why would I want to turn vi or emacs into an IDE? I have eclipse for that. Why do I need syntax highlighting? Even kate can do that. Why would I want vi to be my email editor? We have mail programs. You name a wonderful feature I can get from vi, and I bet I have another, more intuitive, way to do it. I'd get rid of vim-tiny if there weren't insane dependencies on it... [I now return you to your regularly scheduled root canal] -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 19:48:07 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:48:07 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BEE9F7.8020502@swbell.net> On 09/03/2008 Knapp wrote: > This link goes to a page of cool things that you can do with VIM but > keep in mind it is ADVANCED for the most part. Don't let it scare you > off. See my vim thread for more because we are way off topic for > helping this poor slow drive. Did this problem get fixed?????? > http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Vim_Tips > > I was noticing that we were drifting quite far afield if the original problem. No, the problem still exists. I don't believe it has anything to do with Kaffeine but is a system problem of some sort. It's no big deal really. I have DVD players that I can watch if I need to watch a DVD. If we're on the road or somthing they play perfectly on our laptops.. I'm not to worried about it. Right here at my desk in our computer room we have a DVD Recorder, DVD/VCR, and a Blue Ray player. I don't need to watch DVD's on my computer. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Sep 3 19:52:21 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:52:21 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <2378048.IsJ0qrpKMu@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809022020.55441.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BE01D3.5090109@swbell.net> <200809030732.58575.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> <2378048.IsJ0qrpKMu@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48BEEAF5.8010507@swbell.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > >> and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD >> > > My dentist insists that the root canal she insists I need won't hurt because > the nerve's long dead, so it shouldn't matter. I think the dentist is > secretly laughing... > > Frankly, I think your problem is playing jerky. That slot on the side or > front of your computer is for CDs and DVDs. DO NOT PUT JERKY IN THERE! > Also, it is not a cup holder... > What!!!! You mean I'm not supposed to put my cup in that nice slide out cup holder! A while back we were browsing around a computer shop. I found a 5.5 inch computer drive slot addon. It was a pop out cup holder with an electric cigarette lighter. I cracked up. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:20:41 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:20:41 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BEE9F7.8020502@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> <48BEE9F7.8020502@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2008 Knapp wrote: >> This link goes to a page of cool things that you can do with VIM but >> keep in mind it is ADVANCED for the most part. Don't let it scare you >> off. See my vim thread for more because we are way off topic for >> helping this poor slow drive. Did this problem get fixed?????? >> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Vim_Tips >> >> > > I was noticing that we were drifting quite far afield if the original > problem. > > No, the problem still exists. I don't believe it has anything to do with > Kaffeine but is a system problem of some sort. It's no big deal really. > I have DVD players that I can watch if I need to watch a DVD. If we're > on the road or somthing they play perfectly on our laptops.. I'm not to > worried about it. > > Right here at my desk in our computer room we have a DVD Recorder, > DVD/VCR, and a Blue Ray player. I don't need to watch DVD's on my computer. I think we should fix your computers problem and all the vim/kate stuff can go play on that thread. Your computer is not working for some reason and that reason could be doing a bunch of other bad things like messing up DVD burns or slowing down reads or perhaps messing up games or other graphics intensive work depending on the REAL cause of the problem. So what was the frame rate of the gears thing now that we know it worked? Are there any other problems on your system? how does movie play back work with other sources. Like say copy an iso to your hard drive and mount that and try and play it. Does it work or not, thus is it the DVD or something else? And yes LOTS of people use Blender3d, they just make a cute little movie using just that. A lot of game art is done with it too. It is great for video editing too. If you replay to this line lets please change the subject like so we can get this guy helped. I know I started this messing about (sort of anyway). -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:26:33 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:26:33 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just found a program called cream. Check it out. It is like a vim * Kate cross. It is friendly like Kate but has the power of Vim. It is X based. sudo apt-get install cream -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:35:25 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:35:25 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809031335k15911b68i313425caeefe6867@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Knapp : > I just found a program called cream. Check it out. It is like a vim * > Kate cross. It is friendly like Kate but has the power of Vim. It is X > based. > sudo apt-get install cream I may look at that, but there is a GSoC project with KDE SVN access that is making a VIM mode for Kate. The only problem is that he recoded the VIM parts himself, instead of embedding actually VIM. Therefore I doubt the project's maintainability. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:47:07 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:47:07 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809031335k15911b68i313425caeefe6867@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031335k15911b68i313425caeefe6867@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I may look at that, but there is a GSoC project with KDE SVN access > that is making a VIM mode for Kate. The only problem is that he > recoded the VIM parts himself, instead of embedding actually VIM. > Therefore I doubt the project's maintainability. > -- > Dotan Cohen I really started this tread because a lot of the ubuntu help out there says, "use VIM", to edit such and such. As a newbie I would type vim filename and then not have a clue how to get back out or save what I did. The first message of this tread should save people from that. It is also a good editor when X is out the window or you want to do something fast. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:53:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:53:39 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00809031047y32950856va40b153829c5275a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031228p2b9ac709sbc4d9f7236b95c68@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809031335k15911b68i313425caeefe6867@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BEF953.5020807@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: >> I may look at that, but there is a GSoC project with KDE SVN access >> that is making a VIM mode for Kate. The only problem is that he >> recoded the VIM parts himself, instead of embedding actually VIM. >> Therefore I doubt the project's maintainability. >> -- >> Dotan Cohen > > I really started this tread because a lot of the ubuntu help out there > says, "use VIM", to edit such and such. As a newbie I would type vim > filename and then not have a clue how to get back out or save what I > did. The first message of this tread should save people from that. It > is also a good editor when X is out the window or you want to do > something fast. > you're right, they always point to vim, and the first time i used vim, i didn't know how to close it! X wasn't running, and i started vim to edit xorg.conf, had no clue how to work, or how to quit, i switched to the second tty, and started working there :P i searched for a text editor using apropos, and came across nano. but it's a gap in everybody's computer literacy to not know how to use vim. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From calebegg at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:57:49 2008 From: calebegg at gmail.com (Caleb Eggensperger) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:57:49 -0500 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:28, Knapp wrote: > dhtn keys more the cursor around and the arrow keys work too. dhtn? I assume you meant hjkl? Also, I would never suggest a newb use vim; if console editing is required, I always suggest nano. If they know vim well enough to use it, they'll also know that they can use any text editor in place of nano. -- Caleb Eggensperger http://calebegg.com/ From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Wed Sep 3 21:28:56 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:28:56 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <200809031728.57075.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 8:32:57 am Knapp wrote: > Sorry to say this but Art Alexion is correct. The best thing to do is > leave all those packages the way they were at first and just remove > (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file > called > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules > Then reboot your computer. > All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems > and will make ALL the software work. > > The only bad side of this is that you should undo my first patch. The > patch will still work though as long as the drive does not move from > scd0 which it could if you add a new drive or upgrade your system. I've tried all these and nothing works here. Kubuntu 8.04 was originally installed from a newly formatted partition. My new .rules file is the same as the one I renamed ".backup". It doesn't matter whether I have "/dev/cd" and "/dev/dvd" or "/dev/scd0" in the Kaffien settings, I still get the following error: This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh. In some countries it is illegal to install the decryption software without permission from the video copyright holder. When I run sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh, I get: --17:18:39-- http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.5-1_i386.deb => `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' Resolving www.dtek.chalmers.se... 129.16.30.198 Connecting to www.dtek.chalmers.se|129.16.30.198|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 25,178 (25K) [text/plain] 100%[==================================================================================================>] 25,178 61.98K/s 17:18:40 (61.82 KB/s) - `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' saved [25178/25178] (Reading database ... 126266 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libdvdcss2 1.2.5-1 (using /tmp/libdvdcss.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libdvdcss2 ... Setting up libdvdcss2 (1.2.5-1) ... --17:18:39-- http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.5-1_i386.deb => `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' Resolving www.dtek.chalmers.se... 129.16.30.198 Connecting to www.dtek.chalmers.se|129.16.30.198|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 25,178 (25K) [text/plain] 100%[==================================================================================================>] 25,178 61.98K/s 17:18:40 (61.82 KB/s) - `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' saved [25178/25178] (Reading database ... 126266 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libdvdcss2 1.2.5-1 (using /tmp/libdvdcss.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libdvdcss2 ... Setting up libdvdcss2 (1.2.5-1) ... Processing triggers for libc6 ... ldconfig deferred processing now taking place Processing triggers for libc6 ... ldconfig deferred processing now taking place ...but it still doesn't run dvds. A search doesn't find libdvdcss either. I don't have any problems playing dvds in Mandriva 2008.1 so it can't be the drive. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= The National Multiple Sclerosis Society of America recently started an advertising campaign with the slogan "MS: It's not a software company". Seasoned IT professionals will have no trouble telling the two MS's apart. One is a debilitating and surprisingly widespread affliction that renders the sufferer barely able to perform the simplest task. The other is a disease. From kap4lin at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 23:26:09 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:26:09 -0400 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:57 AM, P Kapat wrote: > Hello All, > > $ sudo lspci -vv -d 1002:5159 > 01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 > QY [Radeon 7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) > > Q1: Is it possible to get OpenGL working with this old card? If so, > what options/driver should I add to xorg.conf. Do the proprietery ATI > drivers support this old card? > > Q2: Looking into Xorg.0.log, I see that the system is trying to load > the "glx" extension, giving the following error: > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) > > Should I blacklist "glx" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? I hate to be replying to myself... Anyone with any clue? Any _for_dummy_ pointers to installing ATI drivers on (K)Ubuntu? Is there any difference between "ati" and "radeon" drivers? How does "fglrx" fit in? Just a plethora of related question, looking for some starting point.... -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From ender8282 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 23:34:27 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:34:27 -0700 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BF1F03.20209@yahoo.com> P Kapat wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:57 AM, P Kapat wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> $ sudo lspci -vv -d 1002:5159 >> 01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 >> QY [Radeon 7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) >> >> Q1: Is it possible to get OpenGL working with this old card? If so, >> what options/driver should I add to xorg.conf. Do the proprietery ATI >> drivers support this old card? >> >> Q2: Looking into Xorg.0.log, I see that the system is trying to load >> the "glx" extension, giving the following error: >> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) >> >> Should I blacklist "glx" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? >> > > I hate to be replying to myself... > Anyone with any clue? Any _for_dummy_ pointers to installing ATI > drivers on (K)Ubuntu? Is there any difference between "ati" and > "radeon" drivers? How does "fglrx" fit in? Just a plethora of related > question, looking for some starting point.... > > I can't remember where but Hardy should give you the option to load the 'restricted drivers' for you video card. Are you using the restricted drivers or the open source ones? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Thu Sep 4 00:16:14 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:16:14 -0400 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BF28CE.5030200@ajinfosearch.com> P Kapat wrote: > Hello All, > > Due to reason most unfortunate, my evga (nVidia) video card died and I > am forced to use an old ATI video card: > > $ sudo lspci -vv -d 1002:5159 > 01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 > QY [Radeon 7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) > Q1: Is it possible to get OpenGL working with this old card? If so, > what options/driver should I add to xorg.conf. Do the proprietery ATI > drivers support this old card? > > Q2: Looking into Xorg.0.log, I see that the system is trying to load > the "glx" extension, giving the following error: > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) > > Should I blacklist "glx" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? > > Thanks for the support. If it matters, I am running Hardy/KDE 3.5.10 > with KDE 4.1 packages from ppa repositories. According to Wikipedia it supports OpenGL 1.3 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R100 Have you tried Envy? It is supposed to work for ATI & Nvidia drivers although I have only used it on nvidia cards and it worked fine for a GTS8800 and an old LE6200. I haven't heard anything about older cards on KDE 4 but I'm sure it's worth a try. I believe the package is called 'envyng' in the repositories. Alan -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 00:30:17 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:30:17 -0600 Subject: Q: how to share printer in hardy? In-Reply-To: <48BED3DE.7090500@gmail.com> References: <256f4e900809021232m1909ad4clf9b7229bfa41d113@mail.gmail.com> <48BD9C26.3050607@gmail.com> <48BE8A8F.1050301@gmail.com> <20080903140328.3954912880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> <48BED3DE.7090500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BF2C19.3000902@gmail.com> Michael said the following at 09/03/2008 12:13 PM : > David Fletcher wrote: > > This post is from Dave Selby back in July. It looks helpful . . . > -- I'm afraid that I had already tried what Dave said: > samba: printing: server > > Add a raw printer called 'SambaC46' via KDE system settings > printer. > Cant use http://localhost:631, the option just aint there ! > > 'local printer' ... > select printer ... > tick RAW box The 'local printer' option is greyed out here, and hence unselectable. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Sep 4 01:02:22 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:02:22 -0400 Subject: Only slightly off topic, but hilarious. In-Reply-To: <48BF2C9D.603@gmail.com> References: <48BF2C9D.603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BF339E.3030803@gatech.edu> Michael wrote: > http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html Hmm. It seems like Debian and Gentoo are exactly switched. Nobody talks about Debian ricers, but Gentoo... (http://funroll-loops.info/). Matt Flaschen From claydoh at midmaine.com Thu Sep 4 01:09:27 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:09:27 -0400 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809032109.28073.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 7:26:09 pm P Kapat wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:57 AM, P Kapat wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > $ sudo lspci -vv -d 1002:5159 > > 01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 > > QY [Radeon 7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) > > > > Q1: Is it possible to get OpenGL working with this old card? If so, > > what options/driver should I add to xorg.conf. Do the proprietery ATI > > drivers support this old card? > > > > Q2: Looking into Xorg.0.log, I see that the system is trying to load > > the "glx" extension, giving the following error: > > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not > > found) > > > > Should I blacklist "glx" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? > > I hate to be replying to myself... > Anyone with any clue? Any _for_dummy_ pointers to installing ATI > drivers on (K)Ubuntu? Is there any difference between "ati" and > "radeon" drivers? How does "fglrx" fit in? Just a plethora of related > question, looking for some starting point.... > > -- > Regards > PK > -------------------------------------- > http://counter.li.org #402424 look here for info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver Your card has full 3d support using the opensource 'ati' built-in driver, so most likely you shouldn't have to do any driver fiddling The fglrx does not support your card afaik. I have a laptop with a radeon mobility 7500 from 2003 (I think it is a similar class gpu to yours) and it runs Intrepid with kwin effects rather well straight out of the box using the stock unmodified xorg, no extra packages to install or any of the incantations needed for other cards. I suggest undoing anything you have done driver-wise and reverting to a stock xorg.conf and run the command 'glxinfo' to see if it is working. -- Clay Weber From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 02:00:48 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:00:48 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> <48BEE9F7.8020502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> On 09/03/2008 Knapp wrote: > I think we should fix your computers problem and all the vim/kate > stuff can go play on that thread. > Your computer is not working for some reason and that reason could be > doing a bunch of other bad things like messing up DVD burns or slowing > down reads or perhaps messing up games or other graphics intensive > work depending on the REAL cause of the problem. > > So what was the frame rate of the gears thing now that we know it > worked? Are there any other problems on your system? how does movie > play back work with other sources. Like say copy an iso to your hard > drive and mount that and try and play it. Does it work or not, thus is > it the DVD or something else? I tried to run the glxgears thing a few minutes ago and it wouldn't start. It said that I needed to install mesa-utils. Computers, gotta love em. Anyway, got that sorted out and ran it long enough for th eframe rate to sort of hits it's peak. Below is the result 4141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 828.106 FPS 4710 frames in 5.0 seconds = 941.914 FPS 4730 frames in 5.0 seconds = 945.933 FPS 4703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 940.582 FPS 4651 frames in 5.0 seconds = 930.079 FPS 4677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 935.373 FPS 4720 frames in 5.0 seconds = 943.928 FPS 4853 frames in 5.0 seconds = 970.476 FPS 4370 frames in 5.0 seconds = 873.987 FPS 3996 frames in 5.0 seconds = 799.120 FPS 4005 frames in 5.0 seconds = 800.939 FPS 4721 frames in 5.0 seconds = 944.116 FPS 4761 frames in 5.0 seconds = 952.176 FPS 4735 frames in 5.0 seconds = 946.598 FPS 4715 frames in 5.0 seconds = 942.939 FPS 4752 frames in 5.0 seconds = 950.319 FPS 4729 frames in 5.0 seconds = 945.773 FPS 4691 frames in 5.0 seconds = 938.195 FPS 4688 frames in 5.0 seconds = 937.599 FPS 4680 frames in 5.0 seconds = 935.944 FPS 4699 frames in 5.0 seconds = 939.280 FPS 4639 frames in 5.0 seconds = 927.708 FPS I'm not sure what you mean by mounting an ISO and playing it. What it kind of reminds me of is like when your playing a video off the web and it has to stop till the download catches up and then play some more. I can't understand why it would, but it's kind of like it's trying to copy the video to the hard drive and play it from there rather than playing off the DVD. I've been doing a little more experimenting. First I tried my CD/DVD combo drive. Same effects. Then I copied a movie DVD to my hard drive [ one I recorded myself ]. I probably didn't play it correctly but............ I right clicked on some of the different files until one said "Play With Kafeine". The video played pretty well with just an occasional glitch. [ then I realized that I still had another video playing in Firefox on another desktop ] One thing I noticed was that when playing the movie from the hard drive the drive light was on less than when playing from the DVD. It appears the problem is NOT Kafeine itself. I think the issue has to be related to why the hard drive light runs nearly continuous when playing a movie. Whatever is driving the hard drive is eating processor time. > > And yes LOTS of people use Blender3d, they just make a cute little > movie using just that. A lot of game art is done with it too. It is > great for video editing too. If you replay to this line lets please > change the subject like so we can get this guy helped. I know I > started this messing about (sort of anyway). -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 02:02:13 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:02:13 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809032202.13763.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 3:22:20 pm Knapp wrote: > > A while back I purchased an Asus EeePC with Xandros Linux installed. > > It's kernel was hardwired to not recognize anything over 1gig memory. I > > wanted 2gig. To make a long tedious story short. After trashing my boot > > sequence a couple times using vi and having to reload the OS I did > > finally get working. I would just about rather have that root canal > > without anesthetic than use it again. > > I can understand that. The first week of daily use of VIM must include > a handy quick reference sheet by your side at all times. This is a > power tool that you can use for life. You must learn how to use it and > develop skills with it. The first time you tied you shoes, I bet you > wished they had not invented shoelaces. All skills for complex tasks > are like that. Once you master VIM you can do really incredible things > with it in just a few key strokes. > > This link goes to a page of cool things that you can do with VIM but > keep in mind it is ADVANCED for the most part. Don't let it scare you > off. See my vim thread for more because we are way off topic for > helping this poor slow drive. Did this problem get fixed?????? > http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Vim_Tips Ha Ha, in my last post I wanted to close it by asking whether the sdparm command worked and if his video quit being jerky, but I didn't want to sound mean. It apparently seems that we started off trying to solve his problem and somehow redirected his attention to downloading the VIM manual and now he's learning VIM. Comical? I'd say so. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 02:08:00 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <2378048.IsJ0qrpKMu@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEC002.6000602@swbell.net> <2378048.IsJ0qrpKMu@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809032208.00893.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 3:25:24 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD > > My dentist insists that the root canal she insists I need won't hurt > because the nerve's long dead, so it shouldn't matter. I think the dentist > is secretly laughing... > > Frankly, I think your problem is playing jerky. That slot on the side or > front of your computer is for CDs and DVDs. DO NOT PUT JERKY IN THERE! > Also, it is not a cup holder... Are you sure it's not A "Jerkins" (aka Jergens) dispenser. LMAO -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 02:15:30 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:15:30 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <4446276.yspjQaTEo6@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <4446276.yspjQaTEo6@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809032215.30512.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 3:33:33 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> and I suppose you like root canals without anesthetic also. *<]:oD > > > > Better than walking around with a numb face all day. :-P > > > >> I looked at vim for just a bit but all that's installed right now is > >> tiny-vim. After some experience with vi I don't know. > > > > There are two programs that are modal in nature and they give people > > fits that are not willing to take the time to learn them well. On is > > VIM AKA VI and the other is Blender3d. In both cases once you know it > > you will never want to go back to the slow inefficient style of the > > old ways, also both have great power once mastered. > > LOL. How many people actually use Blender? > > I don't know vi, don't want to, but I was once an Emacs guru, and since the > subject of vi vs emacs can cause so many flame wars, I have to assume that > the capabilities are at least similar. But I'm _never_ going back to > Emacs - these _editors_ are just that: editors. All the other things they > can do are just enormous time-wasters that suck you in. Why would I want > to turn vi or emacs into an IDE? I have eclipse for that. Why do I need > syntax highlighting? Even kate can do that. Why would I want vi to be my > email editor? We have mail programs. You name a wonderful feature I can > get from vi, and I bet I have another, more intuitive, way to do it. Here is the biggest reason in the world to use it: Our wives don't know how to! LOL You think she wants to read your e-mail in a dull ugly black screen like pine? Ha! if she even knew how to use a CLI she'd most likely get out her makeup case and try to make it look better instead of reading your e-mail. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 02:24:17 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:24:17 -0400 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809032224.17145.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 7:26:09 pm P Kapat wrote: > > Should I blacklist "glx" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? No. > > I hate to be replying to myself... > Anyone with any clue? Any _for_dummy_ pointers to installing ATI > drivers on (K)Ubuntu? Is there any difference between "ati" and > "radeon" drivers? How does "fglrx" fit in? Just a plethora of related > question, looking for some starting point.... kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager put a checkmark in the box next to your probed ati video card -- David M. From godshatter at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 02:31:57 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:31:57 -0700 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> He or she must be using the dvorak keyboard layout, which has a different key layout than the standard qwerty layout. I use this as well, but I don't recommend it for the faint-hearted - I was unable to type in either scheme for a while after I started learning it. Now I'm bi-keyboardal for the most part. Paul Caleb Eggensperger wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:28, Knapp wrote: > >> dhtn keys more the cursor around and the arrow keys work too. >> > > dhtn? I assume you meant hjkl? > > Also, I would never suggest a newb use vim; if console editing is > required, I always suggest nano. If they know vim well enough to use > it, they'll also know that they can use any text editor in place of > nano. > > From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 02:54:58 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:54:58 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 03 September 2008 10:00:48 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2008 Knapp wrote: > > I think we should fix your computers problem and all the vim/kate > > stuff can go play on that thread. > > Your computer is not working for some reason and that reason could be > > doing a bunch of other bad things like messing up DVD burns or slowing > > down reads or perhaps messing up games or other graphics intensive > > work depending on the REAL cause of the problem. > > > > So what was the frame rate of the gears thing now that we know it > > worked? Are there any other problems on your system? how does movie > > play back work with other sources. Like say copy an iso to your hard > > drive and mount that and try and play it. Does it work or not, thus is > > it the DVD or something else? > > I tried to run the glxgears thing a few minutes ago and it wouldn't > start. It said that I needed to install mesa-utils. Computers, gotta > love em. Anyway, got that sorted out and ran it long enough for th > eframe rate to sort of hits it's peak. Below is the result > > 4141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 828.106 FPS > 4710 frames in 5.0 seconds = 941.914 FPS > 4730 frames in 5.0 seconds = 945.933 FPS > 4703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 940.582 FPS > 4651 frames in 5.0 seconds = 930.079 FPS > 4677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 935.373 FPS > 4720 frames in 5.0 seconds = 943.928 FPS > 4853 frames in 5.0 seconds = 970.476 FPS > 4370 frames in 5.0 seconds = 873.987 FPS > 3996 frames in 5.0 seconds = 799.120 FPS > 4005 frames in 5.0 seconds = 800.939 FPS > 4721 frames in 5.0 seconds = 944.116 FPS > 4761 frames in 5.0 seconds = 952.176 FPS > 4735 frames in 5.0 seconds = 946.598 FPS > 4715 frames in 5.0 seconds = 942.939 FPS > 4752 frames in 5.0 seconds = 950.319 FPS > 4729 frames in 5.0 seconds = 945.773 FPS > 4691 frames in 5.0 seconds = 938.195 FPS > 4688 frames in 5.0 seconds = 937.599 FPS > 4680 frames in 5.0 seconds = 935.944 FPS > 4699 frames in 5.0 seconds = 939.280 FPS > 4639 frames in 5.0 seconds = 927.708 FPS > > I'm not sure what you mean by mounting an ISO and playing it. > > What it kind of reminds me of is like when your playing a video off the > web and it has to stop till the download catches up and then play some > more. I can't understand why it would, but it's kind of like it's trying > to copy the video to the hard drive and play it from there rather than > playing off the DVD. > > I've been doing a little more experimenting. First I tried my CD/DVD > combo drive. Same effects. Then I copied a movie DVD to my hard drive [ > one I recorded myself ]. I probably didn't play it correctly > but............ I right clicked on some of the different files until one > said "Play With Kafeine". The video played pretty well with just an > occasional glitch. [ then I realized that I still had another video > playing in Firefox on another desktop ] One thing I noticed was that > when playing the movie from the hard drive the drive light was on less > than when playing from the DVD. > > It appears the problem is NOT Kafeine itself. I think the issue has to > be related to why the hard drive light runs nearly continuous when > playing a movie. Whatever is driving the hard drive is eating processor > time. Lets try this: go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI driver and reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. > > > And yes LOTS of people use Blender3d, they just make a cute little > > movie using just that. A lot of game art is done with it too. It is > > great for video editing too. If you replay to this line lets please > > change the subject like so we can get this guy helped. I know I > > started this messing about (sort of anyway). > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -- David M. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Sep 4 04:42:21 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:42:21 +0200 Subject: updatedb suspiciously fast Message-ID: <200809040642.21181.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> I noticed after moving from debian to hardy that updatedb is surprisingly fast, speaking of a manner of seconds rather than a minute or two. How does that work? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 04:57:30 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:57:30 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> On 09/03/2008 david wrote: > Lets try this: > > go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI > driver and > reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. Lets just say I'm chicken. How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From kap4lin at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 05:29:06 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:29:06 -0400 Subject: OpenGL on Radeon 7000/VE ? In-Reply-To: <200809032109.28073.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200809032109.28073.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all.... Here are some more inputs... Clay: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:09 PM, claydoh wrote: > look here for info: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver > > Your card has full 3d support using the opensource 'ati' built-in driver, so > most likely you shouldn't have to do any driver fiddling > The fglrx does not support your card afaik. Reading up the the above link, I think so too. Let us see how it works out. > I suggest undoing anything you have done driver-wise and reverting to a stock > xorg.conf and run the command 'glxinfo' to see if it is working. OK, I removed the one line (Driver "radeon") that I had added. I am attaching the xorg.conf (which is practically empty) and a stripped down version of Xorg.0.log (blame me if I snipped off any important line and kept the unimportant ones). I have added some comments (look for '## <<<<<<<<<' at the end of some lines). The main points are these: 1. The "glx" module being loaded is from vendor="NVIDIA Corporation". I guess this is a hangover from my earlier driver. `dpkg -l | grep nvidia` shows: ii nvidia-glx-new ii nvidia-kernel-common ii nvidia-settings The only one (EE) line in the log seems to support this surmise. (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) Am I right? Solution? Purge nvidia-*? 2. Which actual driver is being used to drive the video card is not clear to me. Looking into Xog.0.log, I see that all the three -- "ati", "radeon", and "int10", drivers are being loaded!!! I have marked those lines in the attached log (look for ## <<<<<<<<<). Also here is the glxinfo output: $ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". 0x21 24 tc 1 0 0 c . . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". 0x22 24 dc 1 0 0 c . . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". 0x55 32 tc 1 0 0 c . . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None David: (I think John was suggesting this too) On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM, david wrote: > kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager > > put a checkmark in the box next to your probed ati video card There is nothing in there... empty => no proprietary cards?? Alan,: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Alan Dacey wrote: > According to Wikipedia it supports OpenGL 1.3 > -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R100 > > Have you tried Envy? Thanks for the wikipedia link, the information there also says that my card 'should' have full 3d support. For the Envy, you are right, the packages are envyng-{gtk,qt,core}. I'll try them if I need the proprietary fglrx drivers. They are only for the prop-binary drivers, right? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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AFAIK, updatedb does not index the $HOME files, so what I do is this: Run a cronjob with /usr/bin/updatedb -l 0 -U /home/$USER -o /home/$USER/.mlocate.db where, alias mlocate="locate -d ~/.mlocate.db" Sorry, I guess I did not answer your question !! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 06:21:39 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:21:39 +0200 Subject: updatedb suspiciously fast In-Reply-To: References: <200809040642.21181.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:46 AM, P Kapat wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dexter Filmore wrote: >> I noticed after moving from debian to hardy that updatedb is surprisingly >> fast, speaking of a manner of seconds rather than a minute or two. >> >> How does that work? > > AFAIK, updatedb does not index the $HOME files, so what I do is this: > Run a cronjob with > > /usr/bin/updatedb -l 0 -U /home/$USER -o /home/$USER/.mlocate.db > > where, > alias mlocate="locate -d ~/.mlocate.db" > > Sorry, I guess I did not answer your question !! > -- > Regards > PK > -------------------------------------- > http://counter.li.org #402424 I don't know this but it seems faster here too. Perhaps they improved the indexer to not index stuff that was done before but only the new stuff? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 06:33:14 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:33:14 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2008 david wrote: >> Lets try this: >> >> go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI >> driver and >> reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. > > Lets just say I'm chicken. > > How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? > > I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. Worst case is you loose X and have no gui. Do you have a second computer that lets you read emails? If not get links or elinks or whatever someone here thinks is the best CLI HTML web browser. Then if you do loose X you can still get on the web to tell us we are a bunch of idiots. :-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 06:40:28 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:40:28 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul Rumelhart wrote: > He or she must be using the dvorak keyboard layout, which has a > different key layout than the standard qwerty layout. I use this as > well, but I don't recommend it for the faint-hearted - I was unable to > type in either scheme for a while after I started learning it. Now I'm > bi-keyboardal for the most part. > > Paul Hole in One. I just knew it was the right hand home row and typed it. LOL sorry about that! My computer runs Dvorak, US, and German keyboards. When you sit down you never know what you will get. I have thought about learning to type on the German Dvorak but desided that was a bit much. I love my change to US Dvorak though. It can slow me down when I have to change to a public computer with the stupid qwerty keyboard. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:09:19 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:09:19 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Caleb Eggensperger : > Also, I would never suggest a newb use vim; if console editing is > required, I always suggest nano. If they know vim well enough to use > it, they'll also know that they can use any text editor in place of > nano. > ++iagree -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:12:55 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:12:55 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809040012p53330239wef64a73761565f41@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/4 Paul Rumelhart : > Now I'm > bi-keyboardal for the most part. > Kinky! I was tri-keyboardal for a short time (US, Dvorak, Hebrew) but as I am a heavy keyboard-shortcut user Dvorak was driving me crazy in that regard. I simply could not continue switching keyboard layouts for the accelerator keys, and the dvorak layout is not good for keyboard shortcuts (think Ctrl-X,C,V). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:16:45 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:16:45 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/3 Caleb Eggensperger : >> Also, I would never suggest a newb use vim; if console editing is >> required, I always suggest nano. If they know vim well enough to use >> it, they'll also know that they can use any text editor in place of >> nano. >> > > ++iagree > > -- > Dotan Cohen I agree also but I think that often nano is not installed whereas VIM is. True of other editors also. I know I have in the past been off line leading some help and been told to boot some program that I don't have on the computer. It drive one mad when you are in the midst of some other aggravating problem. I think one way to make vim much more usable is for it to start in edit mode and with a little message that says press :wq to save and quit and :q! to force quit. People then could use it without problems for just a little edit. The other thing is to have nano as a default install. Is it at this point? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:18:29 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:18:29 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809040012p53330239wef64a73761565f41@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> <880dece00809040012p53330239wef64a73761565f41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/4 Paul Rumelhart : >> Now I'm >> bi-keyboardal for the most part. >> > > Kinky! > > I was tri-keyboardal for a short time (US, Dvorak, Hebrew) but as I am > a heavy keyboard-shortcut user Dvorak was driving me crazy in that > regard. I simply could not continue switching keyboard layouts for the > accelerator keys, and the dvorak layout is not good for keyboard > shortcuts (think Ctrl-X,C,V). > > -- > Dotan Cohen True, when I use Blender3d, I switch to US keyboard. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:33:19 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:33:19 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809040033ka9fecb8oc6a3a7404e45210e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/4 Knapp : > I agree also but I think that often nano is not installed whereas VIM > is. True of other editors also. I know I have in the past been off > line leading some help and been told to boot some program that I don't > have on the computer. It drive one mad when you are in the midst of > some other aggravating problem. > > I think one way to make vim much more usable is for it to start in > edit mode and with a little message that says press :wq to save and > quit and :q! to force quit. People then could use it without problems > for just a little edit. > > The other thing is to have nano as a default install. Is it at this point? $ which nano /usr/bin/nano Now, this is far from a new install, but I certain did not add that myself. So either something pulled nano is as a dependency (doubtful), or it comes installed in 8.04 By the way, Ubuntu does not come with VIM on a standard install either. You are using VIM-tiny, which is missing quite a few features, such as vimtutor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/225231 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 08:17:54 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:17:54 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809040033ka9fecb8oc6a3a7404e45210e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040033ka9fecb8oc6a3a7404e45210e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > $ which nano > /usr/bin/nano > > Now, this is far from a new install, but I certain did not add that > myself. So either something pulled nano is as a dependency (doubtful), > or it comes installed in 8.04 > > By the way, Ubuntu does not come with VIM on a standard install > either. You are using VIM-tiny, which is missing quite a few features, > such as vimtutor: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/225231 > > -- > Dotan Cohen $ which vim /usr/bin/vim How can you tell if it is vim-tiny? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au Thu Sep 4 08:46:12 2008 From: gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au (Greg Gamble) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:46:12 +0800 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040033ka9fecb8oc6a3a7404e45210e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080904084612.GA5287@abutilon> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:17:54AM +0200, Knapp wrote: > > $ which nano > > /usr/bin/nano > > > > Now, this is far from a new install, but I certain did not add that > > myself. So either something pulled nano is as a dependency (doubtful), > > or it comes installed in 8.04 > > > > By the way, Ubuntu does not come with VIM on a standard install > > either. You are using VIM-tiny, which is missing quite a few features, > > such as vimtutor: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/225231 > > > > -- > > Dotan Cohen > > $ which vim > /usr/bin/vim > > How can you tell if it is vim-tiny? When commands are replaced by something that purports to do the same thing it's invariably done via symbolic links, e.g. you will find vi on pretty well every Linux distribution somehow points to a variant of vim. Anyway, that was how I first discovered that vim on my system was actually vim-tiny ... until I apt-get-ed (apt-got?) other bits of vim, e.g. do something like this sequence: $ which vim /usr/bin/vim $ ls -l /usr/bin/vim lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2008-05-09 22:27 /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim* $ ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-06-19 17:19 /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.basic* Regards, Greg Gamble From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 09:04:52 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:04:52 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809041104.52872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I dunno if anyone has said this already, but I have been using VIM recently and when I switch to other editors (or even the command line) I find myself hitting ESC and then 'i' and ':w' and stuff -- Arrgh! My backspace key has a huge dent in it now :D \d From ubuntu-ml at rwz.de Thu Sep 4 09:27:06 2008 From: ubuntu-ml at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:27:06 +0200 Subject: Plugin-Problems on amd64 after last update of libxm2 Message-ID: <20080904112706.4bac4ad9.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> Hi list, after the last update of libxml2, my citrix-plugin (npica) does not work on my amd64-system. Starting any browser and launch an citrix-application, xterm showes me the following error: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/ICAClient/npica.so [/us r/lib/ICAClient/npica.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32] [...] Error: 32 (E_XERROR) I've found that the link: ln -s /usr/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/lib32/libXm.so.3 was not set anymore, so I have set it again, but with no success. Is it a known problem after the update ? And how can I reset the last update to check that the problem was realy from it ? -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 10:51:29 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:51:29 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <200809041104.52872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809041104.52872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809040351j50bb391emf1efa324d4cac7cf@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/4 Donn : > I dunno if anyone has said this already, but I have been using VIM recently > and when I switch to other editors (or even the command line) I find myself > hitting ESC and then 'i' and ':w' and stuff -- Arrgh! My backspace key has a > huge dent in it now :D > When you naturally tap your left pinky 10cm NW of whatever you were just _writing_, you can talk! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 10:55:20 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:55:20 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809040655.21026.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 12:57:30 am Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2008 david wrote: > > Lets try this: > > > > go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI > > driver and > > reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. > > Lets just say I'm chicken. > > How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? The desktop should still work. You just won't have 3D capability. The drivers I asked you to disable are not enabled during install anyway, so disabling them shouldn't break anything. > > I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. I understand, but you can't learn to swim without getting your feet wet first. David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 10:58:34 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:58:34 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 2:33:14 am Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > On 09/03/2008 david wrote: > >> Lets try this: > >> > >> go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI > >> driver and > >> reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. > > > > Lets just say I'm chicken. > > > > How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? > > > > I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. > > > > -- > > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > > Worst case is you loose X and have no gui. Do you have a second > computer that lets you read emails? If not get links or elinks or > whatever someone here thinks is the best CLI HTML web browser. Then if > you do loose X you can still get on the web to tell us we are a bunch > of idiots. :-) LOL you're gonna scare the him all the way back to winder land. David M. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 11:50:05 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:50:05 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <880dece00809040351j50bb391emf1efa324d4cac7cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809041104.52872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00809040351j50bb391emf1efa324d4cac7cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809041350.05873.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 04 September 2008 12:51:29 Dotan Cohen wrote: > When you naturally tap your left pinky 10cm NW of whatever you were > just _writing_, you can talk! Sounds like ESCapeitis to me. Welcome, fellow sufferer :) \d -- When there's an emergency how come we never hear anyone shout "Let me through, I'm an aromatherapist!" -- unknown Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 12:03:05 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:03:05 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: > LOL you're gonna scare the him all the way back to winder land. > > David M. He seemed way smarter than that! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 12:04:55 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:04:55 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <200809041350.05873.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809041104.52872.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00809040351j50bb391emf1efa324d4cac7cf@mail.gmail.com> <200809041350.05873.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > When there's an emergency how come we never hear anyone shout "Let me through, > I'm an aromatherapist!" > -- unknown Ever hear of smelling salts? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 12:23:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:23:17 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <200809041350.05873.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809041423.18025.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 04 September 2008 14:04:55 Knapp wrote: > Ever hear of smelling salts? Clever. But I think real doctors have that covered ;) \d From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 4 12:50:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:50:18 -0300 Subject: OT vi (was Kaffeine playback jerky References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <4446276.yspjQaTEo6@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809032215.30512.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <3224037.yeKGvSiYXA@cedar.serverforest.com> david wrote: [re vi] > Here is the biggest reason in the world to use it: > > Our wives don't know how to! LOL Sorry, my wife is an IT professional. She's _awful_ with PCs (she managed to lose her Firefox browser last night in the middle of a bridge game!), but she _does_ know vi. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 4 12:55:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:55:39 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BEAE9B.2090607@swbell.net> <200809031435.21975.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BEDDCC.6050906@swbell.net> <48BEE9F7.8020502@swbell.net> <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1904078.85KG0q5fKc@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/03/2008 Knapp wrote: >> I think we should fix your computers problem and all the vim/kate >> stuff can go play on that thread. Er, I thought you started that... > I tried to run the glxgears thing a few minutes ago and it wouldn't > start. It said that I needed to install mesa-utils. OK - did you try kaffeine after that? It needs mesa-utils to properly use gl as well. > I'm not sure what you mean by mounting an ISO and playing it. Copy the contents of the DVD to an .iso (image) file on your hard drive (k3b can do that). > I've been doing a little more experimenting. First I tried my CD/DVD > combo drive. Same effects. Then I copied a movie DVD to my hard drive [ > one I recorded myself ]. OK, that's what Douglas asked :-) >> And yes LOTS of people use Blender3d, they just make a cute little >> movie using just that. DOUGLAS! Quit complaining about thread drift and then inciting the drift! >> A lot of game art is done with it too. It is >> great for video editing too. If you replay to this line lets please >> change the subject like so we can get this guy helped. I know I >> started this messing about (sort of anyway). This "guy", isn't... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 4 13:04:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:04:35 -0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4696912.BAfBDY9Rk5@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > I agree also but I think that often nano is not installed whereas VIM > is. Not true on Debian/Ubuntu or CentOS, at least. nano is the default, minimal, editor. I prefer joe, but _that_ I have to install myself. > The other thing is to have nano as a default install. Is it at this point? $ apt-cache rdepends nano nano Reverse Depends: ... ubuntu-standard -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 13:11:59 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:59 +0200 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <200809041423.18025.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809041350.05873.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809041423.18025.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Donn wrote: > On Thursday, 04 September 2008 14:04:55 Knapp wrote: >> Ever hear of smelling salts? > Clever. But I think real doctors have that covered ;) Anyone that helps someone get better is a real doctor. What does this have to do with vim?? ;-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 4 13:02:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:02:03 -0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <48BF489D.6070007@yahoo.com> <880dece00809040012p53330239wef64a73761565f41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1423451.9iqHmDbKR6@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/4 Paul Rumelhart : >> Now I'm bi-keyboardal for the most part. > > I was tri-keyboardal for a short time (US, Dvorak, Hebrew) but as I am > a heavy keyboard-shortcut user Dvorak was driving me crazy in that > regard. I simply could not continue switching keyboard layouts for the > accelerator keys, and the dvorak layout is not good for keyboard > shortcuts (think Ctrl-X,C,V). Neat thought. Of course, the keyboard shortcuts have evolved to be efficient for a standard keyboard layout. I haven't a clue where that would put XCV on a Dvorak layout, but no doubt nowhere close to a control key. I'd bet X would be in a top corner. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 4 13:07:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:07:45 -0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040033ka9fecb8oc6a3a7404e45210e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2606416.bSVAWb5ci8@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: >> $ which nano >> /usr/bin/nano >> >> Now, this is far from a new install, but I certain did not add that >> myself. So either something pulled nano is as a dependency (doubtful), >> or it comes installed in 8.04 >> >> By the way, Ubuntu does not come with VIM on a standard install >> either. You are using VIM-tiny, which is missing quite a few features, >> such as vimtutor: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/225231 >> >> -- >> Dotan Cohen > > $ which vim > /usr/bin/vim > > How can you tell if it is vim-tiny? # aptitude search vim will tell you the state of all the vim-associated packages. Or # aptitude search ~ivim will show the installed ones -- derek From rlyle at compulan2.com Thu Sep 4 13:44:05 2008 From: rlyle at compulan2.com (Ron Lyle) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:44:05 -0500 Subject: installing a remote printer Message-ID: <48BFE625.2070306@compulan2.com> I have tried to install a remote printer (LaserJet4) and I am getting "Unable to load requested driver" What permissions do I need and how do I load a driver. I am a newbe to Kubuntu and any help would be helpful. Ron From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 4 13:33:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:33:30 -0300 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809031728.57075.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <1357380.pfbFfkFNPq@cedar.serverforest.com> Jerry Lapham wrote: > I've tried all these and nothing works here. Kubuntu 8.04 was originally > installed from a newly formatted partition. My new .rules file is the same > as > the one I renamed ".backup". It doesn't matter whether I have "/dev/cd" > and "/dev/dvd" or "/dev/scd0" in the Kaffien settings, I still get the > following error: > > This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to > install libdvdcss by running from a console: And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing device link. Add the following file: $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list ## Medibuntu - Ubuntu 8.04 LTS "hardy heron" ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free Update your packages, using whichever package manager you use, and install libdvdcss2 -- derek From ubuntu-ml at rwz.de Thu Sep 4 13:55:03 2008 From: ubuntu-ml at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:55:03 +0200 Subject: Plugin-Problems on amd64 after last update of libxm2 In-Reply-To: <20080904112706.4bac4ad9.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> References: <20080904112706.4bac4ad9.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> Message-ID: <20080904155503.346a1315.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> > after the last update of libxml2, my citrix-plugin (npica) does not work > on my amd64-system. > Starting any browser and launch an citrix-application, xterm showes me > the following error: > > LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/ICAClient/npica.so [/us > r/lib/ICAClient/npica.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32] > [...] > Error: 32 (E_XERROR) > > I've found that the link: ln -s /usr/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/lib32/libXm.so.3 was not set > anymore, so I have set it again, but with no success. > > Is it a known problem after the update ? And how can I reset the last update to check > that the problem was realy from it ? After removing/downgrading libxml2 and libxml2-dev to older version via aptitude, the ica-client works fine. But now adept_notifier always wants to update the lib. How do I cancel the upgrade of libxml2 and install all other updates ? -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Thu Sep 4 14:29:55 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:29:55 +0100 Subject: Kreetingkard Message-ID: <20080904152955.0ac1386c@graham-desktop> Does anyone know if the Kreetingkard project is still maintained and/or under development? Kreetingkard's website has a News page, but there's no later news on it than that dated December 2005... -- Graham Todd From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 15:22:13 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:22:13 +0200 Subject: Kreetingkard In-Reply-To: <20080904152955.0ac1386c@graham-desktop> References: <20080904152955.0ac1386c@graham-desktop> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Graham Todd wrote: > Does anyone know if the Kreetingkard project is still maintained and/or > under development? Kreetingkard's website has a News page, but there's > no later news on it than that dated December 2005... > > -- > Graham Todd > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > No idea but inkscape has a lot of art on the net for it and you could easily make cards with it. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 15:33:11 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:33:11 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48BFFFB7.1030306@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 09/03/2008 david wrote: >> >>> Lets try this: >>> >>> go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI >>> driver and >>> reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. >>> >> Lets just say I'm chicken. >> >> How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? >> >> I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. >> >> -- >> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. >> > > Worst case is you loose X and have no gui. Do you have a second > computer that lets you read emails? If not get links or elinks or > whatever someone here thinks is the best CLI HTML web browser. Then if > you do loose X you can still get on the web to tell us we are a bunch > of idiots. :-) > > > > There's no shortage of computers around here. I have two desktops and three laptops then there's the better half's computers. I should be able to find something around here to cuss at you with if things go south. It is looking like today is going to be a busy one and I need to back up a couple things just in case the worst happens so it might be later tonight before I can get back to this problem. I know, I should stay on top of my backups better but...................................... -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 15:42:11 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:42:11 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> David McGlone wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 2:33:14 am Knapp wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> >>> On 09/03/2008 david wrote: >>> >>>> Lets try this: >>>> >>>> go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI >>>> driver and >>>> reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. >>>> >>> Lets just say I'm chicken. >>> >>> How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? >>> >>> I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. >>> >>> -- >>> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. >>> >> Worst case is you loose X and have no gui. Do you have a second >> computer that lets you read emails? If not get links or elinks or >> whatever someone here thinks is the best CLI HTML web browser. Then if >> you do loose X you can still get on the web to tell us we are a bunch >> of idiots. :-) >> > > LOL you're gonna scare the him all the way back to winder land. > > David M. > > > Taint likely. I keep windows around so when I get frustrated with some problem [ usually caused by me - ID Ten T error ] I can boot into windows and remind myself why I switched in the first place. Especially if I boot into the Vista partition on my new laptop. A few minutes and I'm ready to go back to whatever stupid thing I did and try to figure it out. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 15:43:01 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:43:01 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48C00205.8030508@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: >> LOL you're gonna scare the him all the way back to winder land. >> >> David M. >> > > He seemed way smarter than that! > > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 15:47:57 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:47:57 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48BFFFB7.1030306@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BF4150.8070307@swbell.net> <200809032254.58294.d.mcglone@att.net> <48BF6ABA.80208@swbell.net> <48BFFFB7.1030306@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48C0032D.3040602@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 09/03/2008 david wrote: >> >>> Lets try this: >>> >>> go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI >>> driver and >>> reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. >>> >> Lets just say I'm chicken. >> >> How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are disabled? >> >> I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. >> >> -- >> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. >> > Worst case is you loose X and have no gui. Do you have a second > computer that lets you read emails? If not get links or elinks or > whatever someone here thinks is the best CLI HTML web browser. Then if > you do loose X you can still get on the web to tell us we are a bunch > of idiots. :-) > > > > there is w3m , a cli web browser that i thought might be useful, well, it's really horrible to use a cli browser, there's also lynx. and trust me, the more you look at w3m, the more you ealize you are an idiot :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 15:56:15 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:56:15 -0500 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: References: <7c2ef8ab0809031357s7cc23913k12fa14af3173b7c7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040009v6436a598j5f34c6c5ac8ff8c4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809040033ka9fecb8oc6a3a7404e45210e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C0051F.80905@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: >> $ which nano >> /usr/bin/nano >> >> Now, this is far from a new install, but I certain did not add that >> myself. So either something pulled nano is as a dependency (doubtful), >> or it comes installed in 8.04 >> >> By the way, Ubuntu does not come with VIM on a standard install >> either. You are using VIM-tiny, which is missing quite a few features, >> such as vimtutor: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/225231 >> >> -- >> Dotan Cohen >> > > $ which vim > /usr/bin/vim > > How can you tell if it is vim-tiny? > > > When I opened a terminal and typed in "vim" yesterday the screen that opened told me it was vim-tiny and what was needed to install to have full functionality. With the talk about nano I tried that and it came up. Whether it's a default install or something that something else installed I don't know, but it's there. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From ed.lau at mail.ee Thu Sep 4 16:02:53 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:02:53 +0300 Subject: Kreetingkard In-Reply-To: References: <20080904152955.0ac1386c@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <48C006AD.5090609@mail.ee> >> Does anyone know if the Kreetingkard project is still maintained and/or >> under development? Kreetingkard's website has a News page, but there's >> no later news on it than that dated December 2005... > No idea but inkscape has a lot of art on the net for it and you could > easily make cards with it. There is also similar program to Inkscape - it's Xara Xtreme: http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xara_Xtreme To install it under Kubuntu (in multiverse repository): sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xaralx xaralx-examples xaralx-svg Both Inkscape and Xara Xtreme has similar and also unique features and together are great programs. There is also Synfig, which is meant to animation but can be used also for drawing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synfig http://www.synfig.org/ Some more reading - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_vector_graphics_editors Best Regards, Edmund From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Sep 4 16:08:44 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:08:44 -0700 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 04 September 2008 08:42:11 am Billie Walsh wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 2:33:14 am Knapp wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >>> On 09/03/2008 david wrote: > >>>> Lets try this: > >>>> > >>>> go to kmenu->system->hardware drivers manager and disable the ATI > >>>> driver and > >>>> reboot. then see if you still get choppy video. > >>> > >>> Lets just say I'm chicken. > >>> > >>> How can the desktop work if the drivers for the video card are > >>> disabled? > >>> > >>> I worry about digging myself into a hole I can't climb out of. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > >> > >> Worst case is you loose X and have no gui. Do you have a second > >> computer that lets you read emails? If not get links or elinks or > >> whatever someone here thinks is the best CLI HTML web browser. Then if > >> you do loose X you can still get on the web to tell us we are a bunch > >> of idiots. :-) > > > > LOL you're gonna scare the him all the way back to winder land. > > > > David M. > > Taint likely. I keep windows around so when I get frustrated with some > problem [ usually caused by me - ID Ten T error ] I can boot into > windows and remind myself why I switched in the first place. Especially > if I boot into the Vista partition on my new laptop. A few minutes and > I'm ready to go back to whatever stupid thing I did and try to figure it > out. Have you checked out this thread? "Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0" Seemed to echo several of your same symtoms. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 4 16:14:04 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <48C0094C.6030600@swbell.net> On 09/04/2008 Pastor JW wrote: > Have you checked out this thread? "Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in > Hardy > by /dev/scd0" Seemed to echo several of your same symtoms. That got my DVD's to play and then I found this other problem. Up to that point I didn't know there was a problem. *<]:oD -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 16:18:29 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:18:29 -0400 Subject: kfontview redux In-Reply-To: <48BFFFB7.1030306@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BFFFB7.1030306@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809041218.30323.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, Can one of you with Hardy, kubuntu and kde 4.1.1 try starting this command from Konsole: kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf and let me know if kfontview comes up in a window and displays the characters in the font? I get the popu window, but no characters - just plain white. (You may have to change to another font if you don't have msttcorefonts installed. It doesn't matter what font - I still don't get a display). Thanks in advance, Glenn From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Sep 4 16:22:14 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:22:14 -0700 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <200809041423.18025.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809041423.18025.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809040922.14945.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 04 September 2008 05:23:17 am Donn wrote: > On Thursday, 04 September 2008 14:04:55 Knapp wrote: > > Ever hear of smelling salts? > > Clever. But I think real doctors have that covered ;) I don't think there IS such a thing as a real doctor. They all seem to be practicing...! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Sep 4 17:47:13 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:47:13 -0400 Subject: installing a remote printer In-Reply-To: <48BFE625.2070306@compulan2.com> References: <48BFE625.2070306@compulan2.com> Message-ID: <200809041347.19608.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 9:44:05 am Ron Lyle wrote: > I have tried to install a remote printer (LaserJet4) and I am getting > "Unable to load requested driver" What permissions do I need and how do > I load a driver. I am a newbe to Kubuntu and any help would be helpful. Tell us something about the remote printer, like what it is attached to. Is it attached to another machine? If so, is that a windows or Linux or Mac machine? Or is it an IP printer? 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URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Sep 4 17:53:21 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:53:21 -0700 Subject: kfontview redux In-Reply-To: <200809041218.30323.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BFFFB7.1030306@swbell.net> <200809041218.30323.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809041053.21344.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:18:29 am Glenn R Williams wrote: > Hi All, > > Can one of you with Hardy, kubuntu and kde 4.1.1 try starting this command > from Konsole: > > kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > and let me know if kfontview comes up in a window and displays the > characters in the font? Using your command line, mine brings up: "Font Viewer Version 1.1 Using KDE 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1)" and shows a bunch of sizes of Andale Mono, Regular. > I get the popu window, but no characters - just plain white. Does your window have the dropdown menus on it? "File", "Setting", and "Help"? If so, what does "About" say about the window? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Sep 4 18:13:19 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:13:19 -0400 Subject: OT vi (was Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <3224037.yeKGvSiYXA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809032215.30512.d.mcglone@att.net> <3224037.yeKGvSiYXA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809041413.19256.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 8:50:18 am Derek Broughton wrote: > david wrote: > > [re vi] > > > Here is the biggest reason in the world to use it: > > > > Our wives don't know how to! LOL > > Sorry, my wife is an IT professional. She's _awful_ with PCs (she managed > to lose her Firefox browser last night in the middle of a bridge game!), > but she _does_ know vi. > -- > derek Ah man! You're in trouble. Maybe you can hide things in Firefox. ;-) -- David M. From atrypa at eskimo.com Thu Sep 4 18:36:57 2008 From: atrypa at eskimo.com (Wendell Cochran) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:36:57 -0700 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim Message-ID: <200809041136.57282.atrypa@eskimo.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:53:39 +0300 From: "Willy K. Hamra" Knapp: >> . . . a VIM mode for Kate. . . . >>> Dotan Cohen >> . . . As a newbie I would type vim filename and then not have a >> clue how to get back out or save what I did. . . . Willy K. Hamra: > the first time i used vim, i didn't know how to close it! X wasn't > running, and i started vim to edit xorg.conf, had no clue how to > work, or how to quit, . . . it's a gap in everybody's computer > literacy to not know how to use vim. Quite so. 1. I've learned painfully: NEVER start a program unless I know how to stop it. Quit, ESCape, Exit, ^C . . . (Sadist coders appear to devise novel ways of keeping a user inside their pet programs until in desperation the victim hits the Big Red Switch.) 2. Almost every introduction to vi(m) opens with a warning that the program is anti-intuitive & forbidding -- that the learning curve is nearly vertical. What a way to teach! The bugbears are wrong. Luckily for me, I learned the basics of vi before being told it was impossibly difficult for my sort. (I used _Learning the vi Editor_ [1992 O'Reilly] by Linda Lamb. The 6th edition is bloated to near inutility -- for beginners, anyhow.) Nor had anyone revealed that in vi mnemonic aids abound. For example, a (the command for append), b[back up, c[hange operator, d[elete, e[nd, f[ind, G[o to . . . . 3. Prospective users of vi should ignore invidious comparisons with emacs. At best they're trolls. Instead bear in mind Unix (& Linux) philosophy, under which we use the tool that best fits the job at hand. Wendell Cochran West Seattle From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 18:33:13 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:33:13 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:47 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I may have been thinking in Fedora terms. Here on my Kubuntu box the > cdrom is in /media: > $ ls /media > cdrom cdrom0 Dotan, it was FC6 or so that Fedora changed to /media instead of /mnt. Confused me for a bit, too! Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 18:49:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:49:14 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/4 Ric Moore : > Dotan, it was FC6 or so that Fedora changed to /media instead of /mnt. > Confused me for a bit, too! Ric > Ah, FC6: the last Fedora that would install on my laptop. I distro hopped between FC3 - 6 and Ubuntu Warty - Edgy. Both distros were a pain to install on this machine. However, FC 7 would not install, and Feisty was the first distro that installed without a problem. What a split! I still run Fedora on a desktop machine, though. I don't remember which version, but it still updates :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 18:51:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:51:14 +0300 Subject: Dummkopf's guide to vim In-Reply-To: <200809041136.57282.atrypa@eskimo.com> References: <200809041136.57282.atrypa@eskimo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809041151s600154car4117776a9f81bb1@mail.gmail.com> What's wrong with vimtutor? I would argue that is the best way to learn. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 19:57:54 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:57:54 -0400 Subject: kfontview redux In-Reply-To: <200809041053.21344.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809041218.30323.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809041053.21344.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200809041557.54554.gloonie@earthlink.net> Here's what it now says (although I had the problem before yesterday's update): "About" reports: Version 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1) I do have all the buttons (File, Settings and Help), but the place where the font display should be is all white except for 2 horizontal lines. On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:53:21 Pastor JW wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:18:29 am Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Can one of you with Hardy, kubuntu and kde 4.1.1 try starting this > > command from Konsole: > > > > kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > > > and let me know if kfontview comes up in a window and displays the > > characters in the font? > > Using your command line, mine brings up: > > "Font Viewer > Version 1.1 > Using KDE 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1)" > > and shows a bunch of sizes of > Andale Mono, Regular. > > > I get the popu window, but no characters - just plain white. > > Does your window have the dropdown menus on it? "File", "Setting", > and "Help"? If so, what does "About" say about the window? > > > > > -- > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Aşağı tükürsem sakal, yukarı tükürsem bıyık! From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 20:36:28 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:36:28 +0300 Subject: Plugin-Problems on amd64 after last update of libxm2 In-Reply-To: <20080904155503.346a1315.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> References: <20080904112706.4bac4ad9.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080904155503.346a1315.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> Message-ID: <15edeae40809041336o2da2f45o5453be339782a29a@mail.gmail.com> i just found this thread in spam :S , i still don't know on what basis gmail marks messages as spam! 2008/9/4 Jens Strohschnitter : > >> after the last update of libxml2, my citrix-plugin (npica) does not work >> on my amd64-system. >> Starting any browser and launch an citrix-application, xterm showes me >> the following error: >> >> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/ICAClient/npica.so [/us >> r/lib/ICAClient/npica.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32] >> [...] >> Error: 32 (E_XERROR) >> >> I've found that the link: ln -s /usr/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/lib32/libXm.so.3 was not set >> anymore, so I have set it again, but with no success. >> >> Is it a known problem after the update ? And how can I reset the last update to check >> that the problem was realy from it ? > > After removing/downgrading libxml2 and libxml2-dev to older version via aptitude, the ica-client > works fine. > But now adept_notifier always wants to update the lib. How do I cancel the upgrade of libxml2 > and install all other updates ? > > -- > kind regards, > > Jens Strohschnitter > > ----------------------------------------- > LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX > > Set the controls > for the heart of the sun > > LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX > ----------------------------------------- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 20:38:16 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:38:16 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:49 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/4 Ric Moore : > > Dotan, it was FC6 or so that Fedora changed to /media instead of /mnt. > > Confused me for a bit, too! Ric > > > > Ah, FC6: the last Fedora that would install on my laptop. I distro > hopped between FC3 - 6 and Ubuntu Warty - Edgy. Both distros were a > pain to install on this machine. However, FC 7 would not install, and > Feisty was the first distro that installed without a problem. What a > split! > > I still run Fedora on a desktop machine, though. I don't remember > which version, but it still updates :) I just couldn't handle the Fedora "cycle". But, it is what it is, bleeding edge. So, I put my money where my mouth is and switched. I've installed Kubuntu and CentOS both to my machine. The problems I had with Xvfb went away with CentOS. Imagine that. Glad to see ya here. Kubuntu is sweet! Plus, the members of this list aren't the knuckle draggers others would have had me believe. Good community of folks here. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Thu Sep 4 20:50:54 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:50:54 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <1357380.pfbFfkFNPq@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809031728.57075.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> <1357380.pfbFfkFNPq@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809041650.54706.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Thursday 04 September 2008 9:33:30 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Jerry Lapham wrote: > > I've tried all these and nothing works here. Kubuntu 8.04 was originally > > installed from a newly formatted partition. My new .rules file is the > > same as > > the one I renamed ".backup". It doesn't matter whether I have "/dev/cd" > > and "/dev/dvd" or "/dev/scd0" in the Kaffien settings, I still get the > > following error: > > > > This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to > > install libdvdcss by running from a console: > > And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing > device link. > > Add the following file: > $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list > ## Medibuntu - Ubuntu 8.04 LTS "hardy heron" > ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free > #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free > > Update your packages, using whichever package manager you use, and install > libdvdcss2 > -- > derek I keep getting: 16:04:47 (43.60 KB/s) - `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' saved [25178/25178] (Reading database ... 127730 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libdvdcss2 1.2.5-1 (using /tmp/libdvdcss.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libdvdcss2 ... Setting up libdvdcss2 (1.2.5-1) ... Processing triggers for libc6 ... ldconfig deferred processing now taking place What do those last two lines mean? Are they the problem. I think I've installed/updated libdvdcss2 but I can't find it with a search. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= Walk to Emmaus: Fueling station for a spirit-filled church From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 21:09:17 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:09:17 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1724633.FsoVNj7bBc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:49 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/9/4 Ric Moore : >>> Dotan, it was FC6 or so that Fedora changed to /media instead of /mnt. >>> Confused me for a bit, too! Ric >>> >> Ah, FC6: the last Fedora that would install on my laptop. I distro >> hopped between FC3 - 6 and Ubuntu Warty - Edgy. Both distros were a >> pain to install on this machine. However, FC 7 would not install, and >> Feisty was the first distro that installed without a problem. What a >> split! >> >> I still run Fedora on a desktop machine, though. I don't remember >> which version, but it still updates :) > > I just couldn't handle the Fedora "cycle". But, it is what it is, > bleeding edge. So, I put my money where my mouth is and switched. > > I've installed Kubuntu and CentOS both to my machine. The problems I had > with Xvfb went away with CentOS. Imagine that. Glad to see ya here. > Kubuntu is sweet! Plus, the members of this list aren't the knuckle > draggers others would have had me believe. Good community of folks here. > Ric > kubuntu was my introduction to linux, i have been a windows user for all my life, some distro chooser test recommended kubuntu for my level of experience, and i tried it, seeing how i have no clue what a distro is :-P it's been a year since that day, and thanks to this wonderful list, and not to forget the nice folks on IRC, i learned about linux in 1 year, what took me no less than 3 years to learn on windows. kubuntu so far has never disappointed me with hardware problems, it simply loves my machine, even development versions starting from alpha versions (i start using them starting from alpha 3 usually) never did any serious problems, with the exception of intrepid (KDE is to be blamed). my only experience with other distros is a SUSE liveCD, that i think was very nice, and like yast a lot, though i'm sure i haven't ried all it's powers on a liveCD. and i installed fedora 7 on vmware, and the install hanged 3 times, and had to re do it before being capable to use it, i installed GNOME, didn't like the interface, had no idea i could have installed KDE, with all this frustration, i deleted the VM after barely using it for a day :-P -- Willy K. 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Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:13:07 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <200809041650.54706.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809031728.57075.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> <1357380.pfbFfkFNPq@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809041650.54706.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <48C04F63.4080706@gmail.com> Jerry Lapham wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 9:33:30 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> Jerry Lapham wrote: >>> I've tried all these and nothing works here. Kubuntu 8.04 was originally >>> installed from a newly formatted partition. My new .rules file is the >>> same as >>> the one I renamed ".backup". It doesn't matter whether I have "/dev/cd" >>> and "/dev/dvd" or "/dev/scd0" in the Kaffien settings, I still get the >>> following error: >>> >>> This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to >>> install libdvdcss by running from a console: >> And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing >> device link. >> >> Add the following file: >> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list >> ## Medibuntu - Ubuntu 8.04 LTS "hardy heron" >> ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ >> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free >> #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free >> >> Update your packages, using whichever package manager you use, and install >> libdvdcss2 >> -- >> derek > > I keep getting: > > 16:04:47 (43.60 KB/s) - `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' saved [25178/25178] > > (Reading database ... 127730 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace libdvdcss2 1.2.5-1 (using /tmp/libdvdcss.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement libdvdcss2 ... > Setting up libdvdcss2 (1.2.5-1) ... > > Processing triggers for libc6 ... > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place > > > What do those last two lines mean? Are they the problem. I think I've > installed/updated libdvdcss2 but I can't find it with a search. > > -Jerry no, the last 2 lines are normal. and are usually the last 2 lines when installing many other packages. so i will assume that libdvdcss2 is now installed -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rlyle at compulan2.com Thu Sep 4 21:20:09 2008 From: rlyle at compulan2.com (Ron Lyle) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:20:09 -0500 Subject: installing a remote printer In-Reply-To: <200809041347.19608.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48BFE625.2070306@compulan2.com> <200809041347.19608.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C05109.7020700@compulan2.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 9:44:05 am Ron Lyle wrote: > >> I have tried to install a remote printer (LaserJet4) and I am getting >> "Unable to load requested driver" What permissions do I need and how do >> I load a driver. I am a newbe to Kubuntu and any help would be helpful. >> > > > Tell us something about the remote printer, like what it is attached to. Is > it attached to another machine? If so, is that a windows or Linux or Mac > machine? Or is it an IP printer? If so, do you know the IP of the print > server? What steps have you taken in trying to install? > > > The printer is attached to an IP print server (Hawking 1 port 10/100 IP print server) I can ping the server and the Win_xp computers can print to the print server (using LPR). Step by step: From the "K" -- system setting -- printers set print system current used: "LPR/LPRng Add printer -- add printer/class "Add printer wizard" remote LPD queue hosts "192.168.XXX.XXX "---- Queue "LP1" Print model selection HP ----" LaserJet 4L" select the driver, I have tried them all Then "Unable to load Required drivers" something about the required drivers not loaded, and not the correct permissions. I have a printer attached to a Win_xp computer and served to the network, I get the same results when I try to attach to this printer also. I had the printer working on a Kubuntu 8.04 before the disk crash. The Kubuntu now is 8.04.1 desktop. I have tried reloading, getting a newer copy of Kubuntu, and have had no luck after several reinstalls. Ron From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Sep 4 21:41:11 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:41:11 -0400 Subject: installing a remote printer In-Reply-To: <48C05109.7020700@compulan2.com> References: <48BFE625.2070306@compulan2.com> <200809041347.19608.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C05109.7020700@compulan2.com> Message-ID: <200809041741.17517.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 5:20:09 pm Ron Lyle wrote: > The printer is attached to an IP print server (Hawking 1 port 10/100 IP > print server) I can ping the server > and the Win_xp computers can print to the print server (using LPR). > Step by step: >  From the "K" -- system setting -- printers > set print system current used: "LPR/LPRng > Add printer -- add printer/class > "Add printer wizard" remote LPD queue > hosts "192.168.XXX.XXX "---- Queue "LP1" > Print model selection HP ----" LaserJet 4L" > select the driver, I have tried them all OK, the problem appears that you are trying to use the old LP protocols and there is no remote LPD server. Choose IP (or IPP) printer. Don't bother to scan. Enter the IP address and the port 9100, then fill in the other appropriate data. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 22:09:01 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:09:01 -0400 Subject: kfontview redux In-Reply-To: <200809041557.54554.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809041053.21344.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200809041557.54554.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809041809.01595.gloonie@earthlink.net> One more interesting thing I found. Even though the font does not display in the kfontview window, if I select Print from the file menu and print to pdf, they appear on the output! So it sounds like a rendering problem. Any ideas? Glenn On Thursday 04 September 2008 15:57:54 Glenn R Williams wrote: > Here's what it now says (although I had the problem before yesterday's > update): > > "About" reports: Version 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1) > > I do have all the buttons (File, Settings and Help), but the place where > the font display should be is all white except for 2 horizontal lines. > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:53:21 Pastor JW wrote: > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:18:29 am Glenn R Williams wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Can one of you with Hardy, kubuntu and kde 4.1.1 try starting this > > > command from Konsole: > > > > > > kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/andalemo.ttf > > > > > > and let me know if kfontview comes up in a window and displays the > > > characters in the font? > > > > Using your command line, mine brings up: > > > > "Font Viewer > > Version 1.1 > > Using KDE 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1)" > > > > and shows a bunch of sizes of > > Andale Mono, Regular. > > > > > I get the popu window, but no characters - just plain white. > > > > Does your window have the dropdown menus on it? "File", "Setting", > > and "Help"? If so, what does "About" say about the window? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 > > http://the-inner-circle.org > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr > From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Thu Sep 4 23:44:22 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:44:22 -0700 Subject: Time Updates Message-ID: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Over the past few months the clock on my notebook has been constantly falling behind in time. 1. Do the newer computers still use a battery to keep the system clock going? 2. Is there a way to have the KDE clock reach out the net when I log in and do a self-adjustment? From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Sep 5 00:06:34 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:06:34 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <20080905000634.GA5643@dmiyu.org> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:44:22PM -0700, Larry Hartman wrote: > 1. Do the newer computers still use a battery to keep the system clock > going? Yes. > 2. Is there a way to have the KDE clock reach out the net when I log in and > do a self-adjustment? Yes. Do a search in your preferred apt tool for ntp. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Make sure the "Set date and time automatically" is selected and "pool.ntp.org" is set on top if you are n the states. If not, pick one that is where you are. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a way to have the KDE clock reach out the net when I log >> in and do a self-adjustment? >> >> > 1. yes > 2. yes > > Go to "System Setting" and look at "Date and Time". Make sure the "Set > date and time automatically" is selected and "pool.ntp.org" is set on > top if you are n the states. If not, pick one that is where you are. > I would also recommend this page if you want the time to be updated continuously. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/network-time-protocol-ntp-server-and-clients-setup-in-ubuntu.html -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do a search in your preferred apt tool for ntp. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, bu hasret bizim -- Nazım Hikmet From gloonie at earthlink.net Fri Sep 5 01:09:53 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:09:53 -0400 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200809042109.53523.gloonie@earthlink.net> Be aware that a bug has been filed for trying to go through systemsettings --> date and time and change things: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169015 On Thursday 04 September 2008 19:44:22 Larry Hartman wrote: > Over the past few months the clock on my notebook has been constantly > falling behind in time. > > 1. Do the newer computers still use a battery to keep the system clock > going? 2. Is there a way to have the KDE clock reach out the net when I > log in and do a self-adjustment? -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yurtta Sulh, Cihanda Sulh -- Mustafa Kemal Atatürk From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 5 01:19:41 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:19:41 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 5:09:17 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:49 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/9/4 Ric Moore : > >>> Dotan, it was FC6 or so that Fedora changed to /media instead of /mnt. > >>> Confused me for a bit, too! Ric > >> > >> Ah, FC6: the last Fedora that would install on my laptop. I distro > >> hopped between FC3 - 6 and Ubuntu Warty - Edgy. Both distros were a > >> pain to install on this machine. However, FC 7 would not install, and > >> Feisty was the first distro that installed without a problem. What a > >> split! > >> > >> I still run Fedora on a desktop machine, though. I don't remember > >> which version, but it still updates :) > > > > I just couldn't handle the Fedora "cycle". But, it is what it is, > > bleeding edge. So, I put my money where my mouth is and switched. > > > > I've installed Kubuntu and CentOS both to my machine. The problems I had > > with Xvfb went away with CentOS. Imagine that. Glad to see ya here. > > Kubuntu is sweet! Plus, the members of this list aren't the knuckle > > draggers others would have had me believe. Good community of folks here. > > Ric > > kubuntu was my introduction to linux, i have been a windows user for all > my life, some distro chooser test recommended kubuntu for my level of > experience, and i tried it, seeing how i have no clue what a distro is :-P > > it's been a year since that day, and thanks to this wonderful list, and > not to forget the nice folks on IRC, i learned about linux in 1 year, > what took me no less than 3 years to learn on windows. > > kubuntu so far has never disappointed me with hardware problems, it > simply loves my machine, even development versions starting from alpha > versions (i start using them starting from alpha 3 usually) never did > any serious problems, with the exception of intrepid (KDE is to be > blamed). my only experience with other distros is a SUSE liveCD, that i > think was very nice, and like yast a lot, though i'm sure i haven't ried > all it's powers on a liveCD. and i installed fedora 7 on vmware, and the > install hanged 3 times, and had to re do it before being capable to use > it, i installed GNOME, didn't like the interface, had no idea i could > have installed KDE, with all this frustration, i deleted the VM after > barely using it for a day :-P I guess i'll pitch in my experience with linux. I started using linux in 1992 or 1994 using RH 5.x (can't remember) Anyway after about a year of RH I switched to Mandrake. I spent about 2 years with mandrake and tried SuSE. I liked SuSE. Other than Yast sometimes taking ages to work, it was overall a great distro. I used SuSE up until they made YaST closed source. After that a friend suggested trying Ubuntu, but I am a KDE guy so I opted to try Kubuntu. I've been with it ever since! (I'm pretty sure 3 years now) I've even tried RH and almost switched back to SuSE last year. that lasted about 2 days when I realized I really really missed apt!!!! I'll never leave apt. -- David M. From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 5 01:39:38 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (kevin) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:39:38 -0500 Subject: KDE and Compiz Message-ID: <200809042039.39002.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Dear All, Is it possible to use compiz on kde 3.5.9 and HH 8.04? I have an ATI graphics card and would especially like to be able to hover my mouse over the minimize bar at the bottom of the screen and be able to see a smaller version of the screen. I have tried to use Compiz in kde but get myself into plenty of 'snaggles' such as losing the control buttons at the top right of the screen as well as other annoyances. Is there a recommended way of setting about using compiz in kde? Kevin jones From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Fri Sep 5 02:09:22 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:09:22 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <48C04F63.4080706@gmail.com> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809041650.54706.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> <48C04F63.4080706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809042209.23052.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Thursday 04 September 2008 5:13:07 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Jerry Lapham wrote: > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 9:33:30 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Jerry Lapham wrote: > >>> I've tried all these and nothing works here. Kubuntu 8.04 was > >>> originally installed from a newly formatted partition. My new .rules > >>> file is the same as > >>> the one I renamed ".backup". It doesn't matter whether I have > >>> "/dev/cd" and "/dev/dvd" or "/dev/scd0" in the Kaffien settings, I > >>> still get the following error: > >>> > >>> This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to > >>> install libdvdcss by running from a console: > >> > >> And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing > >> device link. > >> > >> Add the following file: > >> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list > >> ## Medibuntu - Ubuntu 8.04 LTS "hardy heron" > >> ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ > >> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free > >> #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free > >> > >> Update your packages, using whichever package manager you use, and > >> install libdvdcss2 > >> -- > >> derek > > > > I keep getting: > > > > 16:04:47 (43.60 KB/s) - `/tmp/libdvdcss.deb' saved [25178/25178] > > > > (Reading database ... 127730 files and directories currently installed.) > > Preparing to replace libdvdcss2 1.2.5-1 (using /tmp/libdvdcss.deb) ... > > Unpacking replacement libdvdcss2 ... > > Setting up libdvdcss2 (1.2.5-1) ... > > > > Processing triggers for libc6 ... > > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place > > > > > > What do those last two lines mean? Are they the problem. I think I've > > installed/updated libdvdcss2 but I can't find it with a search. > > > > -Jerry > > no, the last 2 lines are normal. and are usually the last 2 lines when > installing many other packages. > so i will assume that libdvdcss2 is now installed Is that /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.4? That's all I can find. The weird thing is my laptop, also running Kubuntu 8.04, can play the same DVD with Kaffeine and there is no libdvdcss* anywhere on the HD. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= Walk to Emmaus: Fueling station for a spirit-filled church "I have my own jet," Tom leared. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Sep 5 02:57:30 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:30 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905000634.GA5643@dmiyu.org> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 05:37:55 pm Glenn R Williams wrote: > Actually, the app you want is "ntpdate" I have ntpdate installed already and the automatic update turned on. The only way I can get accurate time is by opening the clock settings, switching the time server, and hitting the apply button. > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 20:06:34 Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:44:22PM -0700, Larry Hartman wrote: > > > 1. Do the newer computers still use a battery to keep the system clock > > > going? > > > > Yes. > > > > > 2. Is there a way to have the KDE clock reach out the net when I log > > > in and do a self-adjustment? > > > > Yes. Do a search in your preferred apt tool for ntp. > > -- > Glenn R Williams > ------------------------- > Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür > ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, > bu hasret bizim > -- Nazım Hikmet From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Sep 5 02:58:24 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:58:24 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <48C07CA4.8010006@lemmons.name> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48C079A0.4000502@lemmons.name> <48C07CA4.8010006@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200809041958.24459.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> > I would also recommend this page if you want the time to be updated > continuously. > > http://www.ubuntugeek.com/network-time-protocol-ntp-server-and-clients-setu >p-in-ubuntu.html What part of this page should I be interested in for a laptop? Larry From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 03:58:58 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:58:58 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <1220587138.3176.101.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:19 -0400, david wrote: > Anyway after about a year of RH I switched to Mandrake. I spent about 2 years > with mandrake and tried SuSE. I liked SuSE. Other than Yast sometimes taking > ages to work, it was overall a great distro. I used SuSE up until they made > YaST closed source. After that a friend suggested trying Ubuntu, but I am a > KDE guy so I opted to try Kubuntu. I've been with it ever since! (I'm pretty > sure 3 years now) I've even tried RH and almost switched back to SuSE last > year. that lasted about 2 days when I realized I really really missed apt!!!! > > I'll never leave apt. I've heard about apt for years, never used it. I found it to be sweet, everything yum could be but isn't. I never liked YAST as I found it slow, as you mentioned. I really liked Caldera, back in it's hey-day. It was "elegant" and fulla nifty apps tailored for business use. Then they folded. That was sad. It was Ray Norda's intellectual child. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Sep 5 04:02:32 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:02:32 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905000634.GA5643@dmiyu.org> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48C0AF58.5020904@dmiyu.org> Glenn R Williams wrote: > Actually, the app you want is "ntpdate" That depends on what they want to do. ntpdate is a once-off run that hits a server and then is done. ntp-server (which is also a client) allows for continual updates as long as the machine has a network connection. Since it wasn't specified which one (the OP's message could have been taken either way) the best option is to search on ntp and they can choose from there. ;) From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 04:02:56 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:02:56 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <200809042209.23052.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809041650.54706.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> <48C04F63.4080706@gmail.com> <200809042209.23052.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <1220587376.3176.105.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 22:09 -0400, Jerry Lapham wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 5:13:07 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > no, the last 2 lines are normal. and are usually the last 2 lines when > > installing many other packages. > > so i will assume that libdvdcss2 is now installed > > Is that /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.4? That's all I can find. > > The weird thing is my laptop, also running Kubuntu 8.04, can play the same DVD > with Kaffeine and there is no libdvdcss* anywhere on the HD. Open up a terminal window, su root and then type 'updatedb' then type 'locate libdvd' ...which should bring you all instances of libdvd* If that don't find it, it ain't there. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From abhishekrane at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 04:34:56 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (abhishek rane) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:04:56 +0530 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1220587138.3176.101.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> <1220587138.3176.101.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <99d719740809042134p4d255d24k7a0538e89debbba3@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:19 -0400, david wrote: > > > Anyway after about a year of RH I switched to Mandrake. I spent about 2 > years > > with mandrake and tried SuSE. I liked SuSE. Other than Yast sometimes > taking > > ages to work, it was overall a great distro. I used SuSE up until they > made > > YaST closed source. After that a friend suggested trying Ubuntu, but I am > a > > KDE guy so I opted to try Kubuntu. I've been with it ever since! (I'm > pretty > > sure 3 years now) I've even tried RH and almost switched back to SuSE > last > > year. that lasted about 2 days when I realized I really really missed > apt!!!! > > > > I'll never leave apt. > > I've heard about apt for years, never used it. I found it to be sweet, > everything yum could be but isn't. I never liked YAST as I found it > slow, as you mentioned. I really liked Caldera, back in it's hey-day. It > was "elegant" and fulla nifty apps tailored for business use. Then they > folded. That was sad. It was Ray Norda's intellectual child. Ric > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: > "There are two Great Sins in the world... > ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. 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URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 5 04:45:20 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:45:20 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> I'm firmly believing this is not a video issue. When I was burning some discs tonight I had the same problem. The mouse pointer was jerky and it took forever to do anything else while the disk was burning [ reading e-mails and deleting ]. It has to be some sort of a system resource issue. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Fri Sep 5 04:46:29 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:46:29 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <1220587376.3176.105.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809042209.23052.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> <1220587376.3176.105.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200809050046.29864.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Friday 05 September 2008 12:02:56 am Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 22:09 -0400, Jerry Lapham wrote: > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 5:13:07 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > > no, the last 2 lines are normal. and are usually the last 2 lines when > > > installing many other packages. > > > so i will assume that libdvdcss2 is now installed > > > > Is that /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.4? That's all I can find. > > > > The weird thing is my laptop, also running Kubuntu 8.04, can play the > > same DVD with Kaffeine and there is no libdvdcss* anywhere on the HD. > > Open up a terminal window, su root and then type 'updatedb' > then type 'locate libdvd' ...which should bring you all instances of > libdvd* If that don't find it, it ain't there. :) Ric On the desktop I get: jerry at mylinuxbox:~$ locate libdvd /home/jerry/.kde/share/apps/RecentDocuments/libdvdcss.so.2.0.4.desktop /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2 /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.4 /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2 /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/README /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/copyright /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvdcss2.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvdcss2.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvdcss2.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvdcss2.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvdcss2.shlibs On the laptop, I get nothing. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= "...San Francisco, where you take a chance on being turned to salt if you look back when you are leaving." - Dick Boland From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 05:25:13 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:25:13 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: I started with mandrake and loved it after many blue screens of death drove me from windows plus I started feeling guilty about all the stolen programs on my machine. I had every great program for that system off the net, all cracked. Mandrake was great. I missed a few programs but then Mandrake started to turn in to pay for everything hell and I could not get help when I needed it. So then I found ubuntu. I could not stand Gnome because I could never get it to do simple stuff like change keyboards so I switched to Kubuntu and have been happy even since. I no longer miss any software ether since FF is great and then all the other programs have grown up to a point of being very good tools, often better than what you can get for MS (Although a lot of them now run there too.). Last thing is that install is so EASY with Kubuntu. Installing windows sucked! reboot hell plus the great driver hunt for days on end. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 05:26:22 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:26:22 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> Message-ID: How much ram do you have? How much does the computer show is being used? Maybe one is not working or failed without complaint. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Fri Sep 5 06:35:46 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:35:46 +0100 Subject: Kreetingkard In-Reply-To: References: <20080904152955.0ac1386c@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <20080905073546.17f03c40@graham-desktop> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:22:13 +0200 Knapp wrote: > No idea but inkscape has a lot of art on the net for it and you could > easily make cards with it. Yes, and I use Inkscape already, but as Kreetingkard seems to be a lightweight alternative for simple jobs yet looks as though it has "arrested development", I simply wondered if the project was still active. Linux seems to be short of those basic applications that are less than full blown DTP applications but with which you can do a wide range of printing jobs, so it would be a great shame if a project that offered that and was in the repositories already, had simply faded away. -- Graham Todd From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Fri Sep 5 07:39:46 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:39:46 +0100 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905000634.GA5643@dmiyu.org> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:30 -0700 Larry Hartman wrote: > I have ntpdate installed already and the automatic update turned on. [snipped] Sounds like ntpdate is installed but not running, or that its just not connecting with any ntp servers. Is your laptop one with wi-fi capability, and if so is that on all the time? If so,try changing your ntp server. Or, this is always a last resort, enter in a console ntpdate and it may give some indication of what is happening. -- Graham Todd From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 07:43:44 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <1220600625.3176.115.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 07:25 +0200, Knapp wrote: > I started with mandrake and loved it after many blue screens of death > drove me from windows plus I started feeling guilty about all the > stolen programs on my machine. I had every great program for that > system off the net, all cracked. AH! The Grand Old Days of software piracy! T'was a noble calling to "make" software free. We're talking back in Apple][ days. Now there is no need and I get to stay out of jail. That's a plus! YoHo! Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 07:47:32 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:47:32 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1220600852.3176.120.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 23:45 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > I'm firmly believing this is not a video issue. When I was burning some > discs tonight I had the same problem. The mouse pointer was jerky and it > took forever to do anything else while the disk was burning [ reading > e-mails and deleting ]. > > It has to be some sort of a system resource issue. I'll put money on an IRQ issue. Do you have a USB mouse or an older serial/ps2 one?? Poking around in /proc may be in order as well as checking out dmesg to see if you have issues during boottime. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 07:55:31 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:55:31 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1220601331.3176.128.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 07:26 +0200, Knapp wrote: > How much ram do you have? How much does the computer show is being > used? Maybe one is not working or failed without complaint. I agree, the OP has something going on all FUBAR'd. Heck, aside from IRQ's, memory problems, he might have a flaky power supply. If he can round up the local Linux Posse, and spring for pizza, it might get really interesting. Worse comes to worse, he might back up a kernel or two, just to see what happens. This is trouble-shooting with a shot gun. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 08:18:49 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:18:49 +0100 Subject: setting smtp in Kmail Message-ID: <200809050918.49998.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> I am having a problem with setting smtp on my granddaughter's Kubuntu 8.04. I have tried both via Gmail's smtp server (she is using a Gmail address) and our ISP's smtp server. If I attempt to send I get: Sending failed: Unknown host mailhost.zen.co.uk or Sending failed: Unknown host smtp.googlemail.com I have checked and rechecked the settings and have compared teh Zen settings to mine, which works flawlessly. What should I do next? TIA Lisi From abhishekrane at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:21:42 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (abhishek rane) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:51:42 +0530 Subject: setting smtp in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200809050918.49998.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809050918.49998.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99d719740809050221qd5ca4bj27f8448895768611@mail.gmail.com> Have you provided the smtp settings properly ? A proper guide to the same can be found at this link http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/11/howto-configuring-kmail-with-gmail-imap-and-disconnected-imap/ 2nd problem could be that your ISP might be blocking ports. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am having a problem with setting smtp on my granddaughter's Kubuntu 8.04. > I > have tried both via Gmail's smtp server (she is using a Gmail address) and > our ISP's smtp server. > > If I attempt to send I get: > > Sending failed: > Unknown host mailhost.zen.co.uk > > > or > > Sending failed: > Unknown host smtp.googlemail.com > > > I have checked and rechecked the settings and have compared teh Zen > settings > to mine, which works flawlessly. > > What should I do next? > > TIA > Lisi > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:19:15 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:19:15 +0300 Subject: setting smtp in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200809050918.49998.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809050918.49998.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C107A3.7080904@gmail.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am having a problem with setting smtp on my granddaughter's Kubuntu 8.04. I > have tried both via Gmail's smtp server (she is using a Gmail address) and > our ISP's smtp server. > > If I attempt to send I get: > > Sending failed: > Unknown host mailhost.zen.co.uk > > > or > > Sending failed: > Unknown host smtp.googlemail.com > > > I have checked and rechecked the settings and have compared teh Zen settings > to mine, which works flawlessly. > > What should I do next? > > TIA > Lisi > have you set up kmail to use proxy? or do you have a proxy that you forgot to set up? can you browser websites with konqueror? sounds like a DNS problem to me. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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A proper guide to the same > can be found at this link > http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/11/howto-configuring-kmail-with-gmail-imap-an >d-disconnected-imap/ 2nd problem could be that your ISP might be blocking > ports. Abhishek, I owe you a deep grovel for wasting your time. That'll larn me for doing things late at night and when I am very tired, and then getting stuck in a groove. The solution is to insert the wireless card. I am very ashamed and apologetic. And the worst is that I fear I shan't learn. :-( I shall still do things late at night when I shouldn't and make stupid mistakes. :-( But I am very grateful that you were helping. Lisi From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:29:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:29:39 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1220600625.3176.115.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> <200809042119.41552.d.mcglone@att.net> <1220600625.3176.115.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48C10A13.7030004@gmail.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 07:25 +0200, Knapp wrote: >> I started with mandrake and loved it after many blue screens of death >> drove me from windows plus I started feeling guilty about all the >> stolen programs on my machine. I had every great program for that >> system off the net, all cracked. > > AH! The Grand Old Days of software piracy! T'was a noble calling to > "make" software free. We're talking back in Apple][ days. > Now there is no need and I get to stay out of jail. That's a plus! > > YoHo! Ric > lol, it's even worse here, only the other day, a 16 year old boy comes and ask me, why would a company with thousands of workers, work on games and stuff that takes years to be done, and put them on the net for free? what benefit do they get? i laughed my head off when i heard him. not to mention that other kid, who asked why aren't the cracks integrated in the install itself, a respectable company would make it's install in one click, without all this hassle of copying the contents of the folder to the installation directory :-P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What must I do to start troubleshooting? > > have you managed to resolve that? From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:51:28 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:51:28 +0300 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <200808081247.12506.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> <200808081247.12506.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <48C10F30.1020605@gmail.com> Pastor JW wrote: > On Friday 08 August 2008 10:50:30 am Steve C. Lamb wrote: >> Ok, I've posted a few times to this list my utter disgust at the state >> of KDE v4.0. I feel that it is only fair that I also post my initial >> reaction to 4.1. >> >> My first reaction while KDE 4.1 was starting up was that the background >> is very, very nice. I know that is fluff but as pretty as the Gnome >> background is in 8.04 I felt it was a shame that KUbuntu did not have an >> equally striking background. KDE 4.1's background is absolutely spot on. >> Subdued and not busy enough to work as a wallpaper, striking in its lines >> and colors. I love it. > > You know, I have never used a default background, they NEVER match my mood, > but this one came up when I installed 4.1. It is what I am using in 3.5 so > I guess 4.1 uses the same file? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > the "as night falls" pic, i love this one, have it on both KDEs. i liked the KDE 4.1 default pic, which happens to be the same as the default background of kdm-kde4, those curves. just amazing the same file? you mean you want to use your KDE 3.5 pics in KDE4? you will need to copy them from $HOME/.kde/share/wallpapers to $HOME/.kde4/share/wallpapers -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could it be related to Compiz/Desktop effects as i see many bugs like this when i us Compiz? / Jonas From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 12:01:28 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:01:28 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00809050501v46fbc251y302c53ee4a0d103c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/4 Ric Moore : > I just couldn't handle the Fedora "cycle". But, it is what it is, > bleeding edge. So, I put my money where my mouth is and switched. > > I've installed Kubuntu and CentOS both to my machine. The problems I had > with Xvfb went away with CentOS. Imagine that. Glad to see ya here. > Kubuntu is sweet! Plus, the members of this list aren't the knuckle > draggers others would have had me believe. Good community of folks here. > Ric > I do remember your name from the Fedora list. Welcome aboard! You might want to subscribe to either the Ubuntu or Debian lists as well. The Ubuntu list has higher traffic so it's good for asking non-KDE-specific questions. And the Debian list has a very high Guru-Noob ratio, so it is a great place to learn from reading- very similar to the Fedo ura list but less tolerant of non-FOSS software. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 12:06:34 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:06:34 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C04E7D.6050403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809050506i74d6c829v277fe0e1125e743d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/5 Willy K. Hamra : > kubuntu was my introduction to linux, i have been a windows user for all > my life, some distro chooser test recommended kubuntu for my level of > experience, and i tried it, seeing how i have no clue what a distro is :-P > > it's been a year since that day, and thanks to this wonderful list, and > not to forget the nice folks on IRC, i learned about linux in 1 year, > what took me no less than 3 years to learn on windows. > > kubuntu so far has never disappointed me with hardware problems, it > simply loves my machine, even development versions starting from alpha > versions (i start using them starting from alpha 3 usually) never did > any serious problems, with the exception of intrepid (KDE is to be > blamed). my only experience with other distros is a SUSE liveCD, that i > think was very nice, and like yast a lot, though i'm sure i haven't ried > all it's powers on a liveCD. and i installed fedora 7 on vmware, and the > install hanged 3 times, and had to re do it before being capable to use > it, i installed GNOME, didn't like the interface, had no idea i could > have installed KDE, with all this frustration, i deleted the VM after > barely using it for a day :-P > Willy, you will find that Linux distros are like beer and not like woman: you can enjoy two at once and even flip flop between them! I very much recommend that users of KDE use GNOME for a while and vice versa, and to distro hop a bit. I like finding new features to suggest to my 'usual' software, and I like knowing how to use software in general, not specific applications. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From rlyle at compulan2.com Fri Sep 5 12:16:20 2008 From: rlyle at compulan2.com (Ron Lyle) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:16:20 -0500 Subject: installing a remote printer In-Reply-To: <200809041741.17517.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48BFE625.2070306@compulan2.com> <200809041347.19608.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C05109.7020700@compulan2.com> <200809041741.17517.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C12314.3060202@compulan2.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 5:20:09 pm Ron Lyle wrote: > >> The printer is attached to an IP print server (Hawking 1 port 10/100 IP >> print server) I can ping the server >> and the Win_xp computers can print to the print server (using LPR). >> Step by step: >> From the "K" -- system setting -- printers >> set print system current used: "LPR/LPRng >> Add printer -- add printer/class >> "Add printer wizard" remote LPD queue >> hosts "192.168.XXX.XXX "---- Queue "LP1" >> Print model selection HP ----" LaserJet 4L" >> select the driver, I have tried them all >> > > OK, the problem appears that you are trying to use the old LP protocols and > there is no remote LPD server. Choose IP (or IPP) printer. Don't bother to > scan. Enter the IP address and the port 9100, then fill in the other > appropriate data. > This is a TCP/IP LPR print server. The port address is not 9100 but 515. I have tried your setup with the same results. The LPD setup worked on a Kubuntu computer (8.4.0) before the disk failure. The print server has a queue "lp1". The computer finds the print server on the network or I would not had gotten this far into the installation. I have spent to much time on this simple problem, there is something I am missing in the setup of Ubuntu or KDE permissions or the driver is not loaded. I think the driver is loaded as the install displays the option to select a driver from a list. The "adept Manager" shows the drivers installed and I have reinstalled the drivers. I haven't tried the install from a shell, can that be done? Me thinks the problem is KDE and I just do not know my way around in the package that well. The first install was a breeze, no problems and the KDE was great, but since the disk crash, I have had trouble installing Kubuntu. The new download of kubuntu from the net, copied from several mirrors or the pilot trying to do the install? Ron From gloonie at earthlink.net Fri Sep 5 12:16:49 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:49 -0400 Subject: kfontview redux In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809041557.54554.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> On Friday 05 September 2008 07:29:15 Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/4 Glenn R Williams : > > Here's what it now says (although I had the problem before yesterday's > > update): > > > > "About" reports: Version 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1) > > > > I do have all the buttons (File, Settings and Help), but the place where > > the font display should be is all white except for 2 horizontal lines. > > I got the same result in Kubuntu Intrepid amd64. Could it be related > to Compiz/Desktop effects as i see many bugs like this when i us > Compiz? > > / Jonas That's possible. When I first upgraded to kubuntu 4.0, the default window manager was set to compiz, not kwin for some reason. The strange thing is that most people do not seem to be having the problem. I get is 100% of the time, and have tried removing files, etc. I aset up a separate login with no local files, and still I get the problem, so it must be a system config somewhere (or conflicting software). If you would like to reinforce the bug report, I filed one with kde: Bug 170435a - http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170435 You could add your info on Intrepid... Glenn From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 5 12:35:34 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:35:34 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809050835.34321.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 05 September 2008 12:45:20 am Billie Walsh wrote: > I'm firmly believing this is not a video issue. When I was burning some > discs tonight I had the same problem. The mouse pointer was jerky and it > took forever to do anything else while the disk was burning [ reading > e-mails and deleting ]. > > It has to be some sort of a system resource issue. Billie, I had the same problem on my laptop that you are having and it was because I had the ATI driver enabled. Once I disabled the driver everything worked fine. My laptop still doesn't have the driver enabled because of this. I'm not saying that it could be something else, but I sure know it has something to do with X and the driver. I haven't switched back to the ATI driver in my laptop because it wasn't all that important to me to have 3D on the laptop. As long as my guitar dvd's worked without jerking I was happy. The reason I think you are having the jerkiness while burning a disk or playing a movie is because X is having a problem redrawing the screen when you are using an app that requires more rendering such as k3b's progress bar or even more extensive rendering from a movie. Try this. on an empty desktop with no apps running, move your mouse around slowly. Does it jerk? now move it around fast. Does it jerk? now open an application and while it is opening move your mouse around, I bet it jerks even worse while the window is opening as opposed to an empty desktop. David M. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Sep 5 12:51:41 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:51:41 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200809050551.42187.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> > Is your laptop one with wi-fi capability, and if so is that on all the > time? yes, but network not always available > If so,try changing your ntp server. Or, this is always a last > resort, enter in a console > > ntpdate > > and it may give some indication of what is happening. 5 Sep 05:49:58 ntpdate[7041]: no servers can be used, exiting huh? It updates manually...several servers listed in the config box. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Sep 5 12:53:51 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:53:51 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <48C0AF58.5020904@dmiyu.org> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48C0AF58.5020904@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200809050553.52143.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:02:32 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Actually, the app you want is "ntpdate" > > That depends on what they want to do. ntpdate is a once-off run that > hits a server and then is done. By once-run do you mean at boot-time? Or install time? > ntp-server (which is also a client) allows > for continual updates as long as the machine has a network connection. Sounds like the continual method is what I am looking for... > Since it wasn't specified which one (the OP's message could have been taken > either way) the best option is to search on ntp and they can choose from > there. ;) Hi there, I am the op! Larry From dave at thefletchers.net Fri Sep 5 13:10:00 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:10:00 +0100 Subject: Apache2 ssl certificate script not present in Hardy Message-ID: <200809051410.08419.dave@thefletchers.net> I've got a small, spare machine at work that I can experiment on. I've installed a server (command line only install option) on it using the Ubuntu Hardy Alternate CD. I would like to get squirrelmail working over ssl, for access to my mail server whilst away from home. Squirrelmail is installed and working (showing my mail box - I've done nothing else with it yet) over http. What I've done next is:- Edit the /etc/apache2/available-servers/squirrelmail file to enable switching from http to https. This is working. Downloaded and unpacked the squirrelmail secure login plugin. I'm assuming that I need this. Copied /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl and edited as described in the how-to I found to set the port number to 443 and switch on ssl. The problem is, I don't have the /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem certificate file. When I previously set up a server (to run subversion over Apache/ssl) with Dapper there was a script in /usr/sbin/ called apache2-ssl-certificate, which created a certificate for Apache to use over ssl, and it works just fine. That script is not present on the Hardy system I just installed. Question - What do I use instead of apache2-ssl-certificate to create /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem? Or has everything changed? TIA Dave -- FACT - Millions of people worldwide continue to pay money to one of the richest companies in the world for its products, even though perfectly good software is given away completely free of charge by the open source community! I can't understand it either. Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From abhishekrane at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:36:18 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (abhishek rane) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:06:18 +0530 Subject: setting smtp in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200809051125.52829.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809050918.49998.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <99d719740809050221qd5ca4bj27f8448895768611@mail.gmail.com> <200809051125.52829.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99d719740809050636w7ed00bcdn95d67aad72328c6f@mail.gmail.com> Oh don't fret because this happens to everyone..Anyways I was glad I could help.Maybe god forbid if this prob occurs you'll be able to solve using that link.. ;-) On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 05 September 2008 10:21:42 abhishek rane wrote: > > Have you provided the smtp settings properly ? A proper guide to the same > > can be found at this link > > > http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/11/howto-configuring-kmail-with-gmail-imap-an > >d-disconnected-imap/ 2nd problem could be that your ISP might be blocking > > ports. > > Abhishek, I owe you a deep grovel for wasting your time. That'll larn me > for > doing things late at night and when I am very tired, and then getting stuck > in a groove. > > The solution is to insert the wireless card. I am very ashamed and > apologetic. And the worst is that I fear I shan't learn. :-( I shall > still > do things late at night when I shouldn't and make stupid mistakes. :-( > > But I am very grateful that you were helping. > > Lisi > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More important than huge sections of the kernel. Once upon a time, it was possible to run an apt upgrade and have libc6 get partially installed, and leave your system in a completely unusable state. Particularly, I remember situations where both libc6 and libc6-i686 were to be updated (libc6-i686 has 686-optimized versions of some parts of libc6) and libc6-i686 would be updated while libc6 was in its original state. Recovery was traumatic. I took to removing libc6-i686 before doing any upgrade, and reinstalling it after. So now, whenever a library is updated that has certain dependencies on libc6, you'll see these messages - it's just ensuring that the updates to the library loading configuration get done at safe point. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 5 14:49:12 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:49:12 -0400 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200809051050.29964.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 05 September 2008 3:39:46 am Graham Todd wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:30 -0700 > > Larry Hartman wrote: > > I have ntpdate installed already and the automatic update turned on. > > [snipped] > > Sounds like ntpdate is installed but not running, or that its just not > connecting with any ntp servers. > > Is your laptop one with wi-fi capability, and if so is that on all the > time? If so,try changing your ntp server Use this command to set the time: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org Ubuntu gets network time at boot. If this is a WiFi issue and your WiFi isn't connected until you log in to KDE, you need to either run it manually or set it up as a periodic cron job. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 15:07:17 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:07:17 +0300 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809051050.29964.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> <200809051050.29964.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C14B25.3010704@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 05 September 2008 3:39:46 am Graham Todd wrote: >> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:30 -0700 >> >> Larry Hartman wrote: >>> I have ntpdate installed already and the automatic update turned on. >> [snipped] >> >> Sounds like ntpdate is installed but not running, or that its just not >> connecting with any ntp servers. >> >> Is your laptop one with wi-fi capability, and if so is that on all the >> time? If so,try changing your ntp server > > Use this command to set the time: > sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org > > Ubuntu gets network time at boot. If this is a WiFi issue and your WiFi isn't > connected until you log in to KDE, you need to either run it manually or set > it up as a periodic cron job. > > weird i tried the above command and got willy at server1:~$ sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org [sudo] password for willy: 5 Sep 18:05:37 ntpdate[10545]: no server suitable for synchronization found willy at server1:~$ -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to System guard I have 1.9 used and 55 meg free. Swap shows 39 k used and 3.2 gig free. To me that seems about normal.Right now I have six windows open counting this compose window. Use all the ram first then swap if necessary. Processor [ Intel dual core 3.2 GHz ] load idling seems to run about 12 percent. Finally found a breakdown on the color scheme. Application [ running apps ] memory seems to be running about 500 meg, buffered memory about 100 meg, and cached memory using the rest of it. Playing a DVD raises the processor usage to nearly 100%. Application memory doesn't change but the buffered memory starts a constant upward slant. Swap doesn't change. After a while buffered memory levels off at about 1 gig and cached drops to just under 1.5 gig [ numbers are in total memory used ]. Turning off the Kafeine instantly drops memory usage to 579K and processor usage back to the idle percent. Here's a thought. This is a 64 bit machine but running 32 bit version of 8.04. My laptop is a 64 bit processor with 64 bit 8.04 and works fine. Could the 32 bit version not be using the whole processor? Would a change to 64 bit 8.04 help? -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From paul at lemmons.name Fri Sep 5 16:39:57 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:39:57 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809041958.24459.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48C079A0.4000502@lemmons.name> <48C07CA4.8010006@lemmons.name> <200809041958.24459.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <48C160DD.80507@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <880dece00809050501v46fbc251y302c53ee4a0d103c@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010809x322403d8v650cf78b6fd7b715@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809050501v46fbc251y302c53ee4a0d103c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220632801.3176.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:01 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/4 Ric Moore : > > I just couldn't handle the Fedora "cycle". But, it is what it is, > > bleeding edge. So, I put my money where my mouth is and switched. > > > > I've installed Kubuntu and CentOS both to my machine. The problems I had > > with Xvfb went away with CentOS. Imagine that. Glad to see ya here. > > Kubuntu is sweet! Plus, the members of this list aren't the knuckle > > draggers others would have had me believe. Good community of folks here. > > Ric > > > > I do remember your name from the Fedora list. Welcome aboard! You > might want to subscribe to either the Ubuntu or Debian lists as well. > The Ubuntu list has higher traffic so it's good for asking > non-KDE-specific questions. And the Debian list has a very high > Guru-Noob ratio, so it is a great place to learn from reading- very > similar to the Fedo ura list but less tolerant of non-FOSS software. I doubt I'd be welcome there. When it comes down to getting a job done and out the door, if I have to I install non-FOSS software. It's a rare circumstance, I assure you. But way back when I shelled out the $10 fee for Hannu's OSS to get the X's sound system to work. To insist that she do without sound for a couple of years over $10 and idealism, still seems to be faulty logic, as in not "The Right Thing". Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From paul at lemmons.name Fri Sep 5 16:41:49 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:41:49 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809042109.53523.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809042109.53523.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48C1614D.9070608@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Using system ram, instead of video card vram has always seemed to be 'iffy' with Linux. Jus' wondering. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Sep 5 16:53:24 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:53:24 +0200 Subject: hide/show panel button Message-ID: <200809051853.24596.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Hi all, Is it possible to install on Feisty Fawn the following: on Suse 9.3 I have a nice button at the right of the panel that displays as tip: hide panel (or if toggeled, show panel). Hiding panel lets you enjoy a bigger useful screen (as long as you don't need the fuctions in the panel) ? Thanks in advance Perry -- BOFH excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 16:54:20 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:54:20 +0200 Subject: Kreetingkard In-Reply-To: <20080905073546.17f03c40@graham-desktop> References: <20080904152955.0ac1386c@graham-desktop> <20080905073546.17f03c40@graham-desktop> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Graham Todd wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:22:13 +0200 > Knapp wrote: > >> No idea but inkscape has a lot of art on the net for it and you could >> easily make cards with it. > > Yes, and I use Inkscape already, but as Kreetingkard seems to be a > lightweight alternative for simple jobs yet looks as though it has > "arrested development", I simply wondered if the project was still > active. > > Linux seems to be short of those basic applications that are less than > full blown DTP applications but with which you can do a wide range of > printing jobs, so it would be a great shame if a project that offered > that and was in the repositories already, had simply faded away. > > -- > Graham Todd Have you tried Xara? I just found out about it from this thread. It is really cool. It has been much easier for me to play with than Inkscape ever was. I am a newbie at both though. Does anyone have expertize with both so that they can do a contrast and compare? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:04:23 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:04:23 +0300 Subject: hide/show panel button In-Reply-To: <200809051853.24596.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200809051853.24596.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <48C16697.2040300@gmail.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it possible to install on Feisty Fawn the following: > on Suse 9.3 I have a nice button at the right of the panel that displays as > tip: hide panel (or if toggeled, show panel). Hiding panel lets you enjoy a > bigger useful screen (as long as you don't need the fuctions in the panel) ? > > > Thanks in advance Perry > yes, i have it too here, very useful right-click the panel and choose configure panel... go to the tab called hiding there is a section called panel hiding buttons, you can choose a right button, a left button or both, and you can of course edit the hiding's settings, with animation, speed of animation ... have fun -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Sep 5 17:27:17 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:27:17 -0700 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <48C10F30.1020605@gmail.com> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> <200808081247.12506.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C10F30.1020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809051027.17876.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 05 September 2008 03:51:28 am Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Pastor JW wrote: > > On Friday 08 August 2008 10:50:30 am Steve C. Lamb wrote: > >> Ok, I've posted a few times to this list my utter disgust at the > >> state of KDE v4.0. I feel that it is only fair that I also post my > >> initial reaction to 4.1. > >> > >> My first reaction while KDE 4.1 was starting up was that the > >> background is very, very nice. I know that is fluff but as pretty as > >> the Gnome background is in 8.04 I felt it was a shame that KUbuntu did > >> not have an equally striking background. KDE 4.1's background is > >> absolutely spot on. Subdued and not busy enough to work as a wallpaper, > >> striking in its lines and colors. I love it. > > > > You know, I have never used a default background, they NEVER match my > > mood, but this one came up when I installed 4.1. It is what I am using > > in 3.5 so I guess 4.1 uses the same file? > > > the "as night falls" pic, i love this one, have it on both KDEs. > i liked the KDE 4.1 default pic, which happens to be the same as the > default background of kdm-kde4, those curves. just amazing > the same file? you mean you want to use your KDE 3.5 pics in KDE4? No, the screen was showing 4.1 with the background I use. I sent this quite awhile ago! I guess it was held for awhile to check the attachment. Actually I never installed it to 4.1 but it is the background I have on 3.9.10 and when I went into KDE 4.1 it was there. I also have a blue background on Gnome but I never really go there except to show people the different desktops available on this machine. People can't believe this OS doesn't cost! Just finished setting up my seventh Dell Ubuntu preinstalled laptop with Kubuntu-desktop! They all came about because of my demonstations with my machine! The Vista users were the most amazed; made their language and even their appearance way better! They start smiling and had spring in their step! They became whole new people! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Fri Sep 5 18:02:19 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:02:19 +0200 Subject: kaudiocreator default direcotry Message-ID: <200809052002.19974.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Unlike soundjuicer, I can not trace a setting to let kaudiocreator place the ripped mp3-files in. It places it's ripped en encoded files in /home/peter/mp3 Any suggestions? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 5 18:41:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:41:39 -0300 Subject: automatic update notifer References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808281918.24809.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <2550023.4rUtOIfJ9c@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808282037.09604.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <2107067.h8KdDliOQm@cedar.serverforest.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 28 August 2008 19:50:46 schreef Derek Broughton: >> So, what about the other questions? > > I sent a message with 1,2 mg syslog > apparantly the forum does not accept that. Thankfully! Nobody would have waded through it. > I close the systemn every night/ > anacron is installed, but something is wrong. see end of my syslog file. > > in terminal i started anacron; > in the end of syslog it shows: > Aug 28 19:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[9660]: (root) CMD ( cd / && > run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) > Aug 28 19:20:14 pk2-desktop anacron[9692]: Anacron 2.3 started on > 2008-08-28 Aug 28 19:20:14 pk2-desktop anacron[9692]: Can't open timestamp > file for job cron.daily: Permission denied > Aug 28 19:20:14 pk2-desktop anacron[9692]: Aborted > unquote > > I cut the syslog to the last part starting when I fired up the machine > this morning. (see enclosed) A good thing too. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong from your log - except that I don't see anacron starting other thanwhen you did it manually (and _that_ didn't work because you didn't use "sudo"). I'm nearly certain the problem is anacron not running, but I'm not sure why - it gets started from a huge variety of locations: /etc/init.d/ on boot; or acpid, pmi or apmd on power and hibernation events (so that cron jobs run when the machine is powered off, even if not rebooted). Try: grep anacron /var/log/syslog grep anacron /var/log/syslog.0 Just to check. One of those should have a message saying "Will run job `cron.daily' in 5 min.", and a few more indicating success. If you don't have that, you don't have anacron running. I'd suggest the simplest and most likely fix would be: sudo aptitude purge anacron; sudo aptitude install anacron fwiw, do you REALLY need ntpd? It's unlikely you need it if you're just running a home system - and you're running ntpdate, as well, which is redundant. -- derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Fri Sep 5 18:58:24 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:58:24 +0200 Subject: automatic update notifer In-Reply-To: <2107067.h8KdDliOQm@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808282037.09604.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <2107067.h8KdDliOQm@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809052058.24994.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Friday 05 September 2008 20:41:39 schreef Derek Broughton: > fwiw, do you REALLY need ntpd? It's unlikely you need it if you're just > running a home system - and you're running ntpdate, as well, which is > redundant. > -- > derek no, but have no glue how to get rid of them. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 5 19:07:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:07:01 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48C0AF58.5020904@dmiyu.org> <200809050553.52143.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> Larry Hartman wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:02:32 pm Steve Lamb wrote: >> Glenn R Williams wrote: >> > Actually, the app you want is "ntpdate" >> >> That depends on what they want to do. ntpdate is a once-off run that >> hits a server and then is done. > > By once-run do you mean at boot-time? Or install time? > >> ntp-server (which is also a client) allows >> for continual updates as long as the machine has a network connection. > > Sounds like the continual method is what I am looking for... > >> Since it wasn't specified which one (the OP's message could have been >> taken either way) the best option is to search on ntp and they can choose >> from there. ;) Sheesh - he asked how to set HIS time, not a network's. ntp is serious overkill. ntpdate is _not_ once-off, anyway. On a default install it runs every time a network interface is upped - which should keep everything on time, but I find the defaults rarely actually find a server. This almost always works for me: $ cat /etc/default/ntpdate # servers to check. (Separate multiple servers with spaces.) NTPSERVERS="north-america.pool.ntp.org ntp.ubuntulinux.org pool.ntp.org" # # additional options for ntpdate #NTPOPTIONS="-v" NTPOPTIONS="-u -v" -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 19:23:12 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:23:12 +0300 Subject: Kaffeine in Kubuntu 8.04 is borked. In-Reply-To: <1220632801.3176.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809050501v46fbc251y302c53ee4a0d103c@mail.gmail.com> <1220632801.3176.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00809051223h66fb9c52tece70d0c2679be49@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/5 Ric Moore : > I doubt I'd be welcome there. When it comes down to getting a job done > and out the door, if I have to I install non-FOSS software. It's a rare > circumstance, I assure you. But way back when I shelled out the $10 fee > for Hannu's OSS to get the X's sound system to work. To insist that she > do without sound for a couple of years over $10 and idealism, still > seems to be faulty logic, as in not "The Right Thing". Ric > I know, I never mention proprietary software there. One day, I hope to see someone hijack a thread on that list with a top posted HTML mail with Outlook in the headers and Myspace in the sig, asking how to install MS Office under Crossover on Debian. Of course, the return address shouldn't have an @ sign or a TLD because AOL users don't know that's necessary yet. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 19:56:59 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:56:59 +0200 Subject: kaudiocreator default direcotry In-Reply-To: <200809052002.19974.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809052002.19974.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: 2008/9/5 Peter Klaassen : > Unlike soundjuicer, I can not trace a setting to let kaudiocreator > place the ripped mp3-files in. It places it's ripped en encoded files > in /home/peter/mp3 > > Any suggestions? Yes i have. In the settings for Kaudiocreator/codec you have an option for filenames, something like this, "~/%{extension}/%{albumartist}/%{albumtitle}/%{artist} - %{number} - %{title}.%{extension}" replace the first "%{extension}" with the folder you want to store the ripped files in. I have: "~/Music/%{albumartist} - %{year} - %{albumtitle}/%{artist} - %{number} - %{title}.%{extension}". / Jonas From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 20:10:56 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:10:56 +0300 Subject: 3.5.10 Kontact crashing on startup In-Reply-To: <48C10B6A.40508@gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290513s72abbd1w53139ddba07e75c0@mail.gmail.com> <48C10B6A.40508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809051310t36d0e9f9h4c9a7fdf85f1f2fd@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/5 Alexander Smirnov : > Dotan Cohen пишет: >> I had just upgraded to KDE 3.5.10 and now I cannot start Kontact: >> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ kontact >> QLayout::addChildLayout: layout already has a parent >> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( >> QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance ) >> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ KCrash: Application 'kontact' crashing... >> >> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ >> >> This is a mission-critical app for me. What must I do to start troubleshooting? >> >> > have you managed to resolve that? > No, Alexander, I have not. The problem persists. I have discovered that if I click quickly enough, I can switch to a separate component, which prevents the app from crashing. Thus, a viable workaround is to set Kontact to always open in the Summary view. However, I consider this a workaround and not a solution. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 5 20:19:07 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:19:07 -0500 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <1220633023.3176.141.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> <48C15891.3010505@swbell.net> <1220633023.3176.141.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48C1943B.50209@swbell.net> Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 11:04 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > > >> Here's a thought. This is a 64 bit machine but running 32 bit version of >> 8.04. My laptop is a 64 bit processor with 64 bit 8.04 and works fine. >> Could the 32 bit version not be using the whole processor? >> Would a change to 64 bit 8.04 help? >> > > Is this a built-in video to the motherboard or an add-on card? Using > system ram, instead of video card vram has always seemed to be 'iffy' > with Linux. Jus' wondering. Ric > > It's a built in using shared ram. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 5 21:47:13 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:47:13 -0400 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <48C14B25.3010704@gmail.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809041957.30449.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <20080905083946.405c07e6@graham-desktop> <200809051050.29964.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C14B25.3010704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C1A8E1.8090809@verizon.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> On Friday 05 September 2008 3:39:46 am Graham Todd wrote: >>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:30 -0700 >>> >>> Larry Hartman wrote: >>>> I have ntpdate installed already and the automatic update turned on. >>> [snipped] >>> >>> Sounds like ntpdate is installed but not running, or that its just not >>> connecting with any ntp servers. >>> >>> Is your laptop one with wi-fi capability, and if so is that on all the >>> time? If so,try changing your ntp server >> Use this command to set the time: >> sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org >> >> Ubuntu gets network time at boot. If this is a WiFi issue and your WiFi isn't >> connected until you log in to KDE, you need to either run it manually or set >> it up as a periodic cron job. >> >> > > weird i tried the above command and got > > willy at server1:~$ sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org > [sudo] password for willy: > 5 Sep 18:05:37 ntpdate[10545]: no server suitable for synchronization found > willy at server1:~$ > > > Weird indeed, unless you don't have a connection. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 388 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <880dece00809051223h66fb9c52tece70d0c2679be49@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BBF025.7020709@ozemail.com.au> <880dece00809010916p632c27eby6c82c13887f12840@mail.gmail.com> <1361878.rfof1s1u1U@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809011247l7ab81754x7250b42ea63deeac@mail.gmail.com> <1220553193.3176.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809041149w676a3293l54073df0a16a5f2@mail.gmail.com> <1220560696.3176.82.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809050501v46fbc251y302c53ee4a0d103c@mail.gmail.com> <1220632801.3176.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00809051223h66fb9c52tece70d0c2679be49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C1B1EF.2030508@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/5 Ric Moore : > >> I doubt I'd be welcome there. When it comes down to getting a job done >> and out the door, if I have to I install non-FOSS software. It's a rare >> circumstance, I assure you. But way back when I shelled out the $10 fee >> for Hannu's OSS to get the X's sound system to work. To insist that she >> do without sound for a couple of years over $10 and idealism, still >> seems to be faulty logic, as in not "The Right Thing". Ric >> >> > > I know, I never mention proprietary software there. > > One day, I hope to see someone hijack a thread on that list with a top > posted HTML mail with Outlook in the headers and Myspace in the sig, > asking how to install MS Office under Crossover on Debian. Of course, > the return address shouldn't have an @ sign or a TLD because AOL users > don't know that's necessary yet. > > Whats it worth to you? *<]:oD -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Sep 6 00:51:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:51:20 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48C0AF58.5020904@dmiyu.org> <200809050553.52143.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <6749687.73Q0WbSCzU@cedar.serverforest.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > >> On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:02:32 pm Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Glenn R Williams wrote: >>> > Actually, the app you want is "ntpdate" >>> >>> That depends on what they want to do. ntpdate is a once-off run >>> that >>> hits a server and then is done. >> >> By once-run do you mean at boot-time? Or install time? >> >>> ntp-server (which is also a client) allows >>> for continual updates as long as the machine has a network connection. >> >> Sounds like the continual method is what I am looking for... >> >>> Since it wasn't specified which one (the OP's message could have been >>> taken either way) the best option is to search on ntp and they can >>> choose >>> from there. ;) > > Sheesh - he asked how to set HIS time, not a network's. ntp is serious > overkill. OK, somebody who is henceforth forever plonked thinks it's appropriate to disagree with this statement in private email. If I wanted to have private discussions with you I wouldn't be on a mailing list. So, it's got nothing to do with the fact that you can download an ntp package that's just about exactly the size of ntpdate. It's got to do with the fact that it's a SERVER. If you don't know what you're doing, and you start running servers, some network admins are going to get a little ticked off with you. On top of that, it's a server that's always doing something. It's just more processes that a normal user doesn't need. For a normal user, with a normal computer, running ntpdate every time you power up, configure a network interface, or at least every 24 hours, will keep your machine close enough to universal time that you won't know the difference. -- derek From godshatter at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 01:08:49 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:08:49 -0700 Subject: KDE and Compiz In-Reply-To: <48C1AB39.2090807@verizon.net> References: <200809042039.39002.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> <48C1AB39.2090807@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C1D821.3010606@yahoo.com> I'm not sure what I did to get it this way, but I run compiz on both Hardy Heron at home and Gutsy Gibbon at work, running kubuntu, without the need to manually launch it every time. I know I had to install some extra packages, particularly at least one package to let me configure it more thoroughly. I am running KDE 3.5.9 at home right now with compiz running without problems. Here is the list of compiz packages I have installed: compiz-extra compiz-dev compiz-gtk compiz-kde compizconfig-backend-gconf compiz-fusion-bcop compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-bcop compizconfig-backend-kconfig compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-compcomm-plugins-main compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gnome Paul Art Alexion wrote: > kevin wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Is it possible to use compiz on kde 3.5.9 and HH 8.04? >> > > Yes. > > > Is there a recommended > >> way of setting about using compiz in kde? >> > > I don't know about "recommended" but I use the compiz-icon package. > Works fine for me except I have to manually launch the icon and reload > the window manager every time I log in. Not the case with Ubuntu > (Gnome) where it "just works". > > > > From godshatter at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 01:24:34 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:24:34 -0700 Subject: KDE and Compiz In-Reply-To: <48C1D821.3010606@yahoo.com> References: <200809042039.39002.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> <48C1AB39.2090807@verizon.net> <48C1D821.3010606@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C1DBD2.2060603@yahoo.com> Replying to my own post here... That list is the total list of compiz packages, may bad. The ones I have installed from that list are: compiz compizconfig-backend-gconf compizconfig-backend-kconfig compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gnome compiz-kde I also have desktop-effects-kde, emerald, and fusion-icon installed. Sorry for the confusion. I dumped apt-cache pkgnames compiz and then later realized it showed all packages, not just what I have installed. Is there an easy way using apt or aptitude to get a list of installed packages that match a filter? Paul Paul Rumelhart wrote: > I'm not sure what I did to get it this way, but I run compiz on both > Hardy Heron at home and Gutsy Gibbon at work, running kubuntu, without > the need to manually launch it every time. I know I had to install some > extra packages, particularly at least one package to let me configure it > more thoroughly. I am running KDE 3.5.9 at home right now with compiz > running without problems. > > Here is the list of compiz packages I have installed: > > compiz-extra > compiz-dev > compiz-gtk > compiz-kde > compizconfig-backend-gconf > compiz-fusion-bcop > compiz-plugins > compizconfig-settings-manager > compiz-bcop > compizconfig-backend-kconfig > compiz-fusion-plugins-extra > compiz-compcomm-plugins-main > compiz > compiz-core > compiz-fusion-plugins-main > compiz-gnome > > Paul > > Art Alexion wrote: > >> kevin wrote: >> >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Is it possible to use compiz on kde 3.5.9 and HH 8.04? >>> >>> >> Yes. >> >> >> Is there a recommended >> >> >>> way of setting about using compiz in kde? >>> >>> >> I don't know about "recommended" but I use the compiz-icon package. >> Works fine for me except I have to manually launch the icon and reload >> the window manager every time I log in. Not the case with Ubuntu >> (Gnome) where it "just works". >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sat Sep 6 03:20:30 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:20:30 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <6749687.73Q0WbSCzU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> <6749687.73Q0WbSCzU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809052020.30667.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> > OK, somebody who is henceforth forever plonked thinks it's appropriate to > disagree with this statement in private email. If I wanted to have private > discussions with you I wouldn't be on a mailing list. > > So, it's got nothing to do with the fact that you can download an ntp > package that's just about exactly the size of ntpdate. It's got to do with > the fact that it's a SERVER. If you don't know what you're doing, and you > start running servers, some network admins are going to get a little ticked > off with you. On top of that, it's a server that's always doing something. > It's just more processes that a normal user doesn't need. For a normal > user, with a normal computer, running ntpdate every time you power up, > configure a network interface, or at least every 24 hours, will keep your > machine close enough to universal time that you won't know the difference. > -- > derek My intuition was leading me to the same conclusion, server not the best solution, but not so succinct as you made it here. A comment made in the other thread on this topic leads me in another direction... Art stated: > Ubuntu gets network time at boot.  If this is a WiFi issue and your WiFi > isn't connected until you log in to KDE, you need to either run it manually > or set it up as a periodic cron job. I am running WICD rather than KNetworkManager because it works much better for my wifi model. It does not seem to set up its connection until late in the user login process. Could this be the culprit? If so, will your edits to the NTPdate config file work in this situation? Larry From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 05:22:14 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:22:14 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48C1943B.50209@swbell.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809040658.34513.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C001D3.4020707@swbell.net> <200809040908.44252.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48C0B960.8@swbell.net> <48C15891.3010505@swbell.net> <1220633023.3176.141.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C1943B.50209@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1220678534.24820.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:19 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 11:04 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > > >> Here's a thought. This is a 64 bit machine but running 32 bit version of > >> 8.04. My laptop is a 64 bit processor with 64 bit 8.04 and works fine. > >> Could the 32 bit version not be using the whole processor? > >> Would a change to 64 bit 8.04 help? > >> > > > > Is this a built-in video to the motherboard or an add-on card? Using > > system ram, instead of video card vram has always seemed to be 'iffy' > > with Linux. Jus' wondering. Ric > > > > > It's a built in using shared ram. I had a similar problem with Fedora. Our two main third party repos that had the codecs for things like mplayer, xine and kaffine were not always in step with each other. I found that freshrpms supplied the libraries that worked, while I had problems, like you're having, using the Livna repo. I've not used Kubuntu long enough to advise you but if there are multiple sources, I'd trying using only one of them first, and if that doesn't work without what I called "stuttering", then rip it all out, and install from another source. That was around Fedora 7. Xine stuttered like crazy. It took a complete re-install from another source to fix it for me. What version of kaffine and xine are you running?? trouble shooting with a shotgun. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Sep 6 12:11:07 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:11:07 -0400 Subject: hide/show panel button In-Reply-To: <200809051853.24596.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200809051853.24596.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <48C2735B.3040004@verizon.net> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it possible to install on Feisty Fawn the following: > on Suse 9.3 I have a nice button at the right of the panel that displays as > tip: hide panel (or if toggeled, show panel). Hiding panel lets you enjoy a > bigger useful screen (as long as you don't need the fuctions in the panel) ? Yes. That is a standard panel option, not specific to Suse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hiding panel lets you > > enjoy a bigger useful screen (as long as you don't need the fuctions in > > the panel) ? > > Yes. That is a standard panel option, not specific to Suse Thanks Willy and Art, Me Dummkopf, my apologies for not having searched by myself, I must have been under the false belief that if it wasn't turned on by default it wasn't there. Perry -- BOFH excuse #111: The salesman drove over the CPU board From gloonie at earthlink.net Sat Sep 6 15:50:52 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:50:52 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> Hi All, This is a little off topic, but I was just wondering if anyone seen the new Dell Mini 9? I got an email from them and the ad says: OPERATING SYSTEM(Ubuntu) Mini OS powered by Ubuntu 8.04 Glenn From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 16:02:33 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:02:33 +0300 Subject: audiocd:/ kio slave works only as root Message-ID: <48C2A999.5050100@gmail.com> the title explains pretty much the whole situation :-P this happened after a very wrongly done restore from a backup. when i backup into a tar.bz2 file , aren't permissions stored along with the files? everything got root permissions after the restore, and i had to manually chown my home to access it. so now, the audiocd:/ protocol is not working dor my user, but i have no idea what needs to be changed? what are the files or devs responsible for it? it tried chowning /dev/hda (the cd drive) , and /dev/audio to no avail this is what i get when i press on audio cd An error occurred while loading audiocd:/: Device doesn't have read permissions for this account. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dave at thefletchers.net Sat Sep 6 16:14:11 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:14:11 +0100 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 06 Sep 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote: > Hi All, > > This is a little off topic, but I was just wondering if anyone seen the new > Dell Mini 9? I got an email from them and the ad says: > > OPERATING SYSTEM(Ubuntu) > Mini OS powered by Ubuntu 8.04 > > Glenn > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > No, I've not seen that one, but I have seen the little Elonex laptop stocked by Carphone Warehouse in the UK. Nice little machine I think, apparently it has 1G RAM and 80G hard drive, runs Ubuntu, and sells for GBP220. And I'm told that it is selling well. Watch out, $soft! PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? Is it the LTS issue? Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From gloonie at earthlink.net Sat Sep 6 16:18:46 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:18:46 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200809061218.46853.gloonie@earthlink.net> The Dell is available only for "pre-order" and is expected out in October. I think you are right - it's the LTS issue that keeps from Kubuntu. Also, the description stated the OS was "Mini OS Powered by Ubuntu 8.04". What does THAT mean? Glenn On Saturday 06 September 2008 12:14:11 David Fletcher wrote: > On Saturday 06 Sep 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > This is a little off topic, but I was just wondering if anyone seen the > > new Dell Mini 9? I got an email from them and the ad says: > > > > OPERATING SYSTEM(Ubuntu) > > Mini OS powered by Ubuntu 8.04 > > > > Glenn > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > No, I've not seen that one, but I have seen the little Elonex laptop > stocked by Carphone Warehouse in the UK. Nice little machine I think, > apparently it has 1G RAM and 80G hard drive, runs Ubuntu, and sells for > GBP220. And I'm told that it is selling well. > > Watch out, $soft! > > PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? Is it the > LTS issue? > > Dave > > > -- > > > Registered Linux user number 393408 > > I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 > For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: > http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- ﺎﺴﺘﺷﺍﺭﺓ ﺖﻘﻨﻳﺓ ﻢﻌﻟﻮﻣﺎﺗ ﻞﺠﻠﻴﻧ ﻮﻴﻠﻳﺎﻣﺯ From gloonie at earthlink.net Sat Sep 6 16:27:45 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:27:45 -0400 Subject: audiocd:/ kio slave works only as root In-Reply-To: <48C2A999.5050100@gmail.com> References: <48C2A999.5050100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809061227.45634.gloonie@earthlink.net> Willie, Don't know if this helps, but I get that screen when no cd is loaded in the drive. When I put one in, it comes up. If you go into system Settings --> Advanced there is an icon for "Audio CDs', where you can configure the Audio CDs, including which device (mine is /dev/cdrom). HTH, Glenn On Saturday 06 September 2008 12:02:33 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > the title explains pretty much the whole situation :-P > this happened after a very wrongly done restore from a backup. when i > backup into a tar.bz2 file , aren't permissions stored along with the > files? everything got root permissions after the restore, and i had to > manually chown my home to access it. > so now, the audiocd:/ protocol is not working dor my user, but i have no > idea what needs to be changed? what are the files or devs responsible > for it? it tried chowning /dev/hda (the cd drive) , and /dev/audio to no > avail > this is what i get when i press on audio cd > > An error occurred while loading audiocd:/: > Device doesn't have read permissions for this account. Check the read > permissions on the device. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 16:43:49 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:43:49 +0300 Subject: audiocd:/ kio slave works only as root In-Reply-To: <200809061227.45634.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48C2A999.5050100@gmail.com> <200809061227.45634.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48C2B345.4050301@gmail.com> that solved it, i changed the settings from /dev/cdrom to /dev/hda, now it's reading the audiocd correctly without requiring root permissions thanks Glenn Glenn R Williams wrote: > Willie, Don't know if this helps, but I get that screen when no cd is loaded > in the drive. When I put one in, it comes up. > > If you go into system Settings --> Advanced there is an icon for "Audio CDs', > where you can configure the Audio CDs, including which device (mine is > /dev/cdrom). > > HTH, > > Glenn > > On Saturday 06 September 2008 12:02:33 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> the title explains pretty much the whole situation :-P >> this happened after a very wrongly done restore from a backup. when i >> backup into a tar.bz2 file , aren't permissions stored along with the >> files? everything got root permissions after the restore, and i had to >> manually chown my home to access it. >> so now, the audiocd:/ protocol is not working dor my user, but i have no >> idea what needs to be changed? what are the files or devs responsible >> for it? it tried chowning /dev/hda (the cd drive) , and /dev/audio to no >> avail >> this is what i get when i press on audio cd >> >> An error occurred while loading audiocd:/: >> Device doesn't have read permissions for this account. Check the read >> permissions on the device. > -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you are right - it's the LTS issue that keeps from Kubuntu. Also, the description stated the OS was "Mini OS Powered by Ubuntu 8.04". What does THAT mean? Glenn On Saturday 06 September 2008 12:14:11 David Fletcher wrote: > On Saturday 06 Sep 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > This is a little off topic, but I was just wondering if anyone seen the > > new Dell Mini 9? I got an email from them and the ad says: > > > > OPERATING SYSTEM(Ubuntu) > > Mini OS powered by Ubuntu 8.04 > > > > Glenn > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > No, I've not seen that one, but I have seen the little Elonex laptop > stocked by Carphone Warehouse in the UK. Nice little machine I think, > apparently it has 1G RAM and 80G hard drive, runs Ubuntu, and sells for > GBP220. And I'm told that it is selling well. > > Watch out, $soft! > > PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? Is it the > LTS issue? > > Dave > > > -- > > > Registered Linux user number 393408 > > I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 > For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: > http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- ﺎﺴﺘﺷﺍﺭﺓ ﺖﻘﻨﻳﺓ ﻢﻌﻟﻮﻣﺎﺗ ﻞﺠﻠﻴ [The entire original message is not included] From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Sat Sep 6 18:34:01 2008 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:34:01 -0400 Subject: KDE and Compiz In-Reply-To: <48C1DBD2.2060603@yahoo.com> References: <200809042039.39002.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> <48C1AB39.2090807@verizon.net> <48C1D821.3010606@yahoo.com> <48C1DBD2.2060603@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C2CD19.8090206@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Replying to my own post here... > > That list is the total list of compiz packages, may bad. The ones I > have installed from that list are: > > compiz > compizconfig-backend-gconf > compizconfig-backend-kconfig > compizconfig-settings-manager > compiz-core > compiz-fusion-plugins-extra > compiz-fusion-plugins-main > compiz-gnome > compiz-kde > > I also have desktop-effects-kde, emerald, and fusion-icon installed. > > Sorry for the confusion. I dumped apt-cache pkgnames compiz and then > later realized it showed all packages, not just what I have installed. > Is there an easy way using apt or aptitude to get a list of installed > packages that match a filter? Not in apt and I don't know about aptitude, but one can do that with dpkg: # dpkg -l \*compiz\* Sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIws0ZejaFVltl6E8RAkyWAJ9Zn7dck2Gf4f0tiweCOpCCB/qofQCfUtW6 yY2dXVJcrx59I93WSSCkq30= =W1vT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Sep 6 19:06:17 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:06:17 +0200 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48c2bcf8.9e03be0a.759a.ffffa17d@mx.google.com> References: <48c2bcf8.9e03be0a.759a.ffffa17d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jonathan Jesse schrieb: >> >> Watch out, $soft! >> Hi, Imho the concept of Linux on a netbook is way better than anything Microsoft has on Offer. Yet, there is a surprising amount of people on all the mini pc forums that I look at, who immediately convert their tiny Linux toys to either XP Vista. So, $soft still has a good standing.;-( Kind regards Eberhard From godshatter at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 22:21:21 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:21:21 -0700 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> David Fletcher wrote: > PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? Is it the LTS > issue? > > Dave > I think it's the ubiquitous notion that seems to be common out there that gnome is easier for Windows users to adapt to than KDE. It has less items in it's menus to confuse your average user with, and it tends to coddle them more. I don't like it personally, but at least you can install a few packages and be running Kubuntu with a little effort. I live for all the applets I use in panels, though I'm sure if I stuck with gnome long enough I'd get it setup the way I like it. It might be the LTS/KDE4 thing, but it's not like Kubuntu was a common choice before that started. Perhaps they don't want to have to explain the name "Kubuntu". Explaining "Ubuntu" is hard enough already. Paul From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 22:42:44 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:42:44 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> Paul Rumelhart wrote: > David Fletcher wrote: > >> PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? Is it the LTS >> issue? >> >> Dave >> >> > > > I think it's the ubiquitous notion that seems to be common out there > that gnome is easier for Windows users to adapt to than KDE. It has > less items in it's menus to confuse your average user with, and it tends > to coddle them more. I don't like it personally, but at least you can > install a few packages and be running Kubuntu with a little effort. I > live for all the applets I use in panels, though I'm sure if I stuck > with gnome long enough I'd get it setup the way I like it. > > It might be the LTS/KDE4 thing, but it's not like Kubuntu was a common > choice before that started. Perhaps they don't want to have to explain > the name "Kubuntu". Explaining "Ubuntu" is hard enough already. > > Paul > > > The thing that gets under my skin about the Dell Inspiron 9 , from what I can see on there website, is that the Ubuntu Laptop only offers you a 4gb SSD , whereas $Windows is getting a 8 or 16gb SSD for $50.00 more.(Which is the cost of $Windows) Sure you can get the larger drive for Linux for a lot more $$ . That sure stops me from buying a Dell. Dell has got this plan setup that your going to pay extra for the goodies and still end up paying the same or more, than if you bought a EEEpc. At least least my EEEpc 702 has a 8gb SSD. Dell is not really doing you any favors here. From godshatter at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 23:17:11 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:17:11 -0700 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48C30F77.4090800@yahoo.com> Jim wrote: > The thing that gets under my skin about the Dell Inspiron 9 , from what > I can see on there website, is that the Ubuntu Laptop only offers you a > 4gb SSD , whereas $Windows is getting a 8 or 16gb SSD for $50.00 > more.(Which is the cost of $Windows) > Sure you can get the larger drive for Linux for a lot more $$ . > That sure stops me from buying a Dell. > Dell has got this plan setup that your going to pay extra for the > goodies and still end up paying the same or more, than if you bought a > EEEpc. > At least least my EEEpc 702 has a 8gb SSD. > Dell is not really doing you any favors here. > From what I've heard, the reason putting Ubuntu (or any other distro) on a Dell causes either the price to go up or the components to be downgraded is because they're missing out on all the deals they get to put AOL icons on the desktop or the Yahoo bar in the task bar or to bundle some company's photo software with the computer. If these companies see the light someday and start making cross-platform software, then the difference in price between Ubuntu and Microsoft will become obvious. Barring attempts by MS to change that, of course. Paul From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Sep 6 23:46:36 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:46:36 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48c2bcf8.9e03be0a.759a.ffffa17d@mx.google.com> References: <48c2bcf8.9e03be0a.759a.ffffa17d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48C3165C.9070006@verizon.net> Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > suprm1 (Mario) works on the Dell Ubuntu project for Dell. suprm1 also does Mythbuntu as well If this is Mario Limoncello, he is also active on Dell's linux-desktop list as well, and very helpful about Ubuntu on Dell issues, drivers, etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Paul From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be Sun Sep 7 12:37:07 2008 From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:37:07 +0200 Subject: knetworkmanager/kde4 In-Reply-To: <200809070645.31413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200809070645.31413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200809071437.10434.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> I had the same problem. I was using Compiz with KDE4 and most of the time the KDE3 applets (I also use the battery applet of KDE3 to control how the processors should manage the bateries when my laptop is not connected) were not shown correctly. Since I go back to KWin, I have no problems anymore. It is seems that a KDE4 version of KNetworkManager will be developed in KDE 4.2. On dimanche 7 septembre 2008, Paul wrote: > I'm having a problem w/ knetworkmanager in kde4. It runs as shown in a > process table, but it doesn't appear in the system tray. 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URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Sep 7 13:31:55 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:31:55 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <6749687.73Q0WbSCzU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809042037.55776.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48C0AF58.5020904@dmiyu.org> <200809050553.52143.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> <6749687.73Q0WbSCzU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48C3D7CB.2040000@dmiyu.org> Derek Broughton wrote: > OK, somebody who is henceforth forever plonked thinks it's appropriate to > disagree with this statement in private email. If I wanted to have private > discussions with you I wouldn't be on a mailing list. Irony abounds. Plonked by people for keeping mail on list. Plonked by people for taking it off list. Sorry, but the venue is the choice of the sender and I felt it was straying too far for the list. > So, it's got nothing to do with the fact that you can download an ntp > package that's just about exactly the size of ntpdate. It's got to do with > the fact that it's a SERVER. If you don't know what you're doing, and you > start running servers, some network admins are going to get a little ticked > off with you. I highly doubt this is one of those cases. Running a mail server or an web server on a home connection, yeah, I can see that. Firing up an NTP CLIENT (which also happens to be a server) to pull from pool probably will never raise eyebrows. I mean there's only a dozen or so custom one for Windows and it's been standard in that OS since XP as a continuous client. As I said from the onset though, my advice was not for either one. My advice was to give a string which hit both and allowed the OP to choose. Mea culpa for actually providing a comprehensive answer that presented both options and allowed for end-user choice. > On top of that, it's a server that's always doing something. That's a gross over statement. {grey at teleute:~} ps auwx | grep ntp ntp 5182 0.0 0.0 4176 616 ? Ss Jun19 0:02 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -u 120:130 -g Since Jun 19th, 79 days ago, it has used a whopping 2 seconds of CPU time. Lemme break it down for you. 6825600 seconds of elapsed of which 2 were spent keeping the machine's clock in sync. Well, correction, this particular install servers as a third tier for my local network and those 2 seconds were spent syncing the local machine and answering queries from my game machine, my wife's machine and my laptop; all of which run continuous NTP *clients*, 2 of which happen to be in a package named "ntp-server". :P > It's just more processes that a normal user doesn't need. For a normal > user, with a normal computer, running ntpdate every time you power up, > configure a network interface, or at least every 24 hours, will keep your > machine close enough to universal time that you won't know the difference. Yes, and I left that up to the OP to determine instead of presuming to foist what I felt was the better choice upon him. Since I'm "forever plonked" I'm sure this question will go unanswered but, seriously, what is so wrong with letting the other people be informed of choices and actually choose or... if nothing else, asking more questions? From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sun Sep 7 14:28:09 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:28:09 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <48C3D7CB.2040000@dmiyu.org> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <6749687.73Q0WbSCzU@cedar.serverforest.com> <48C3D7CB.2040000@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200809070728.09278.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> > Yes, and I left that up to the OP to determine instead of presuming to > foist what I felt was the better choice upon him. Since I'm "forever > plonked" I'm sure this question will go unanswered but, seriously, what is > so wrong with letting the other people be informed of choices and actually > choose or... if nothing else, asking more questions? Me got choices! No worries about sys-admin here, as this is my personal lappie. Still not sure that I need to go in the server direction, although numbers you provided for actual processing time spent clearly show low consumption. Read my most recent post for the why's as to not going the server route. I believe it can be fixed without installing something new. I do not wish to egg on an argument between two folks trying to help. I did read the page you linked to and learned something new as a result. Larry From gkourtev at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 15:12:35 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:12:35 +0300 Subject: Problems with wifi Message-ID: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> I have installed kubuntu on a DELL inspiron 1525. Being new to linux, I could not get the wifi working. What is happening is that the laptop find the wifi modem, but after providing the WPA password, it stops at somewhere about 27%. Can somebody help? Thanks. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Sep 7 15:42:21 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:42:21 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809050553.52143.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809070842.21284.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 05 September 2008 12:07:01 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 09:02:32 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Glenn R Williams wrote: > >> > Actually, the app you want is "ntpdate" > >> > >> That depends on what they want to do. ntpdate is a once-off run > >> that hits a server and then is done. > > > > By once-run do you mean at boot-time? Or install time? > > > >> ntp-server (which is also a client) allows > >> for continual updates as long as the machine has a network connection. > > > > Sounds like the continual method is what I am looking for... > > > >> Since it wasn't specified which one (the OP's message could have been > >> taken either way) the best option is to search on ntp and they can > >> choose from there. ;) > > Sheesh - he asked how to set HIS time, not a network's. ntp is serious > overkill. ntpdate is _not_ once-off, anyway. On a default install it runs > every time a network interface is upped - which should keep everything on > time, but I find the defaults rarely actually find a server. > > This almost always works for me: > $ cat /etc/default/ntpdate > # servers to check. (Separate multiple servers with spaces.) > NTPSERVERS="north-america.pool.ntp.org ntp.ubuntulinux.org pool.ntp.org" > # > # additional options for ntpdate > #NTPOPTIONS="-v" > NTPOPTIONS="-u -v" I get thiswhen I run the above: # The settings in this file are used by the program ntpdate-debian, but not # by the upstream program ntpdate. so does that mean this is for Debian flavor rather than Kubuntu? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From ender8282 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 16:58:05 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:58:05 -0700 Subject: Problems with wifi In-Reply-To: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> References: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C4081D.2090708@yahoo.com> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have installed kubuntu on a DELL inspiron 1525. Being new to linux, I > could not get the wifi working. What is happening is that the laptop > find the wifi modem, but after providing the WPA password, it stops at > somewhere about 27%. Can somebody help? > > Thanks. > > I have a E1505 and I have had problems getting it to work. I found a form post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 that covered how to fix everything. It talks about how to identify if you have the same wireless controller. If you do it should be simple, just follow the steps. If not you might be able to replace the driver he talks about with the correct driver for your hardware. Let me know if there are things that are unclear about the post and I will try to help. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From ender8282 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 17:08:10 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:08:10 -0700 Subject: Problems with wifi In-Reply-To: <48C4081D.2090708@yahoo.com> References: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> <48C4081D.2090708@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C40A7A.5060007@yahoo.com> John Hubbard wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> I have installed kubuntu on a DELL inspiron 1525. Being new to linux, I >> could not get the wifi working. What is happening is that the laptop >> find the wifi modem, but after providing the WPA password, it stops at >> somewhere about 27%. Can somebody help? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> > I have a E1505 and I have had problems getting it to work. I found a > form post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 that covered > how to fix everything. It talks about how to identify if you have the > same wireless controller. If you do it should be simple, just follow the > steps. If not you might be able to replace the driver he talks about > with the correct driver for your hardware. Let me know if there are > things that are unclear about the post and I will try to help. > > And then I finished reading the post and realized that you can see the nic. I don't think that the website provided will help. You say that it gets to 27% and stops. Does it give any errors? What program are you using to try to connect? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From abhishekrane at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 17:37:34 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (abhishek rane) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:07:34 +0530 Subject: Problems with wifi In-Reply-To: <48C40A7A.5060007@yahoo.com> References: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> <48C4081D.2090708@yahoo.com> <48C40A7A.5060007@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99d719740809071037k3a7875f4x16e7b8711432f00f@mail.gmail.com> Try updating ur kubuntu with a dist-upgrading by getting hold of some wired connections coz newer kernel versions have much greater support for wireless. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:38 PM, John Hubbard wrote: > John Hubbard wrote: > > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > > >> I have installed kubuntu on a DELL inspiron 1525. Being new to linux, I > >> could not get the wifi working. What is happening is that the laptop > >> find the wifi modem, but after providing the WPA password, it stops at > >> somewhere about 27%. Can somebody help? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> > > I have a E1505 and I have had problems getting it to work. I found a > > form post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 that covered > > how to fix everything. It talks about how to identify if you have the > > same wireless controller. If you do it should be simple, just follow the > > steps. If not you might be able to replace the driver he talks about > > with the correct driver for your hardware. Let me know if there are > > things that are unclear about the post and I will try to help. > > > > > And then I finished reading the post and realized that you can see the > nic. I don't think that the website provided will help. > You say that it gets to 27% and stops. Does it give any errors? What > program are you using to try to connect? > > -- > -john > > To be or not to be, that is the question > 2b || !2b > (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) > 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 > 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 > 0b11111111 > 255, that is the answer. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 7 17:46:15 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:46:15 +0200 Subject: Problems with wifi In-Reply-To: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> References: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809071946.15219.kassube@gmx.net> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have installed kubuntu on a DELL inspiron 1525. Being new to linux, > I could not get the wifi working. What is happening is that the laptop > find the wifi modem, but after providing the WPA password, it stops at > somewhere about 27%. Can somebody help? Can you tell us which version of Kubuntu you use? And which wireless chipset is in your laptop? Nils From TonySivori at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 20:44:45 2008 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:44:45 -0400 Subject: Only slightly off topic, but hilarious. References: <48BF2C9D.603@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:32:29 -0500, Michael wrote: > http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html "Bandwidth exceeded". Ha, that joke never gets old. :-) -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. From TonySivori at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 20:58:49 2008 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:58:49 -0400 Subject: Konqueror is very slow to start References: <48AE692E.7030509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:22:22 +0400, Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Tony Sivori wrote: >> After a reboot, Konqueror is very slow to start. Konqueror takes about >> three minutes to start. This used to happen only sometimes, but after >> the last Konqueror update it now does it every time. > Check your DNS preferences. Good thought, considering that Kmail is also affected. But Pan, Adept Updater, KWeather, and Firefox all work normally. I'm using my ISP's DNS, which lately has been adequate. Besides, when DNS is down, programs start normally but I get a "site not found" or "unable to connect" type of error. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. From TonySivori at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 21:03:58 2008 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:03:58 -0400 Subject: Konqueror is very slow to start References: <48AE692E.7030509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:04:11 -0700, Juan Kawada wrote: > Are you only using konqueror as a file manager, or do you use it as a > browser also? sorry if this is a stupid question, I'd just like to > clarify. Konqueror is my default file manager and web browser. It took me about five minutes to decide that I want no part of Dolphin in it's current state of development. I also use Firefox for web browsing, but only on sites that require Java and Java Script. I have all that junk turned off in Konqueror for 95% of my web browsing, and the web is a much nicer place. Konqueror is my default file manager and web browser. It took me about five minutes to decide that I want no part of Dolphin in it's current state of development. I also use Firefox for web browsing, but only on sites that require Java and Java Script. I have all that junk turned off in Konqueror for 95% of my web browsing, and the web is a much nicer place. Konqueror is slow to start whether I'm trying to open google.com (my home page) or any random directory. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Sep 7 21:50:41 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:50:41 -0400 Subject: Problems with wifi In-Reply-To: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> References: <48C3EF63.9080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C44CB1.9040703@verizon.net> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have installed kubuntu on a DELL inspiron 1525. Being new to linux, I > could not get the wifi working. What is happening is that the laptop > find the wifi modem, but after providing the WPA password, it stops at > somewhere about 27%. Can somebody help? > > Thanks. > Go to http://linux.dell.com/ Enable the appropriate Dell Ubuntu repository and install the appropriate driver for your hardware. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was not aware that KUbuntu installs an NTP client by default so I was erring more on the side of my deep Debian roots than learning what Ubuntu has to offer. Something which has gotten me in trouble in the past. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 1FC01004 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As long as ntpdate is finding a time server, this should be setting the time as soon as the network comes up -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 8 00:32:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:32:32 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809050553.52143.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <27135096.oQPRPdrF1L@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809070842.21284.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <12218369.ifFy3pLrDu@cedar.serverforest.com> Pastor JW wrote: > I get thiswhen I run the above: > > # The settings in this file are used by the program ntpdate-debian, but > # not by the upstream program ntpdate. > > so does that mean this is for Debian flavor rather than Kubuntu? >From Kubuntu, Debian _is_ upstream. That just means that the file is provided by Debian maintainers but not KDE developers. -- derek From jjesse at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 02:35:17 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:35:17 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Jim wrote: > Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > David Fletcher wrote: > > > >> PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? Is it > the LTS > >> issue? > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > > > > > > I think it's the ubiquitous notion that seems to be common out there > > that gnome is easier for Windows users to adapt to than KDE. It has > > less items in it's menus to confuse your average user with, and it tends > > to coddle them more. I don't like it personally, but at least you can > > install a few packages and be running Kubuntu with a little effort. I > > live for all the applets I use in panels, though I'm sure if I stuck > > with gnome long enough I'd get it setup the way I like it. > > > > It might be the LTS/KDE4 thing, but it's not like Kubuntu was a common > > choice before that started. Perhaps they don't want to have to explain > > the name "Kubuntu". Explaining "Ubuntu" is hard enough already. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > The thing that gets under my skin about the Dell Inspiron 9 , from what > I can see on there website, is that the Ubuntu Laptop only offers you a > 4gb SSD , whereas $Windows is getting a 8 or 16gb SSD for $50.00 > more.(Which is the cost of $Windows) > Sure you can get the larger drive for Linux for a lot more $$ . > That sure stops me from buying a Dell. > Dell has got this plan setup that your going to pay extra for the > goodies and still end up paying the same or more, than if you bought a > EEEpc. > At least least my EEEpc 702 has a 8gb SSD. > Dell is not really doing you any favors here. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > The Dell Mini that I have purchased comes with Ubuntu 8.04 and a 16 Gig SSD Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com Mon Sep 8 02:42:19 2008 From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:42:19 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine, Xine and kscd fixed in Hardy by /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <1357380.pfbFfkFNPq@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48BE774B.5070308@ozemail.com.au> <200809031728.57075.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> <1357380.pfbFfkFNPq@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809072242.19877.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com> On Thursday 04 September 2008 9:33:30 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Jerry Lapham wrote: > > I've tried all these and nothing works here.  Kubuntu 8.04 was originally > > installed from a newly formatted partition. My new .rules file is the > > same as > > the one I renamed ".backup".  It doesn't matter whether I have "/dev/cd" > > and "/dev/dvd" or "/dev/scd0" in the Kaffien settings, I still get the > > following error: > > > > This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to > > install libdvdcss by running from a console: > > And in your case, it's almost certainly the encryption, not a missing > device link. Actually, it was neither. I received an email today with a .wmv file as an attachment. When I tried to open the .wmv file with Kaffeine, I got a message that some codecs were missing and did I want to install them. I said "OK" and it did. Now not only can I run the .wmv video but the DVD video also works. The laptop, which could run the DVD video before can also play the .wmv video. Thanks to everyone for your help. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at cinci.rr.com ============================================= "This must be Kansas," said Tom flatly. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 8 03:00:54 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:00:54 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48C49566.6060901@sbcglobal.net> Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Jim > wrote: > > Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > David Fletcher wrote: > > > >> PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? > Is it the LTS > >> issue? > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > > > > > > I think it's the ubiquitous notion that seems to be common out there > > that gnome is easier for Windows users to adapt to than KDE. It has > > less items in it's menus to confuse your average user with, and > it tends > > to coddle them more. I don't like it personally, but at least > you can > > install a few packages and be running Kubuntu with a little > effort. I > > live for all the applets I use in panels, though I'm sure if I stuck > > with gnome long enough I'd get it setup the way I like it. > > > > It might be the LTS/KDE4 thing, but it's not like Kubuntu was a > common > > choice before that started. Perhaps they don't want to have to > explain > > the name "Kubuntu". Explaining "Ubuntu" is hard enough already. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > The thing that gets under my skin about the Dell Inspiron 9 , from > what > I can see on there website, is that the Ubuntu Laptop only offers > you a > 4gb SSD , whereas $Windows is getting a 8 or 16gb SSD for $50.00 > more.(Which is the cost of $Windows) > Sure you can get the larger drive for Linux for a lot more $$ . > That sure stops me from buying a Dell. > Dell has got this plan setup that your going to pay extra for the > goodies and still end up paying the same or more, than if you bought a > EEEpc. > At least least my EEEpc 702 has a 8gb SSD. > Dell is not really doing you any favors here. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > The Dell Mini that I have purchased comes with Ubuntu 8.04 and a 16 > Gig SSD > > Jonathan How much did you pay for it ? From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 8 05:52:09 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:52:09 +0100 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop Message-ID: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> I have a Hi-Grade Model Number 332 laptop, which has an Intel wi-fi card built in, and I have installed Kubuntu 8.04 on it. KWIFIManager shows that I am connected to my router with good signal strength, but I can't connect to Konqueror or Opera. I checked with System Settings->Network Settings and I found that my interface was neither Configured nor Enabled so I Configured the Wireless Interface and enabled it. I rebooted and confirmed my Wireless interface enabled and correctly confirmed and KWIFIManager shows a connection to my router with good signal strength, but I still cannot get a connection to either Konqueror or Opera. When I reconnect the ethernet cable and reboot, all is well, but unfortunately there are no ethernet sockets in the study rooms at university (which I start again on 29th of this month): only wi-fi hotspots. Can anyone help me? -- Graham Todd From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 06:02:10 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:02:10 -0400 Subject: Only slightly off topic, but hilarious. In-Reply-To: References: <48BF2C9D.603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220853730.2949.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 16:44 -0400, Tony Sivori wrote: > On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:32:29 -0500, Michael wrote: > > > http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html > > "Bandwidth exceeded". Ha, that joke never gets old. :-) I must be getting dense. I didn't get it. Clue me in so I won't feel like an idiot. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 07:02:55 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:02:55 +0200 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop In-Reply-To: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> References: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Graham Todd wrote: > I have a Hi-Grade Model Number 332 laptop, which has an Intel wi-fi > card built in, and I have installed Kubuntu 8.04 on it. > > KWIFIManager shows that I am connected to my router with good signal > strength, but I can't connect to Konqueror or Opera. I checked with > System Settings->Network Settings and I found that my interface was > neither Configured nor Enabled so I Configured the Wireless Interface > and enabled it. > > I rebooted and confirmed my Wireless interface enabled and correctly > confirmed and KWIFIManager shows a connection to my router with good > signal strength, but I still cannot get a connection to either > Konqueror or Opera. > > When I reconnect the ethernet cable and reboot, all is well, but > unfortunately there are no ethernet sockets in the study rooms at > university (which I start again on 29th of this month): only wi-fi > hotspots. > > Can anyone help me? > > -- > Graham Todd > Hi, I have that same problem with my system. So far I have found that I can at the command line make the computer connect but have not yet been able to do it with auto settings? Help anyone?? Before we get dumb, is there a password? Have you set it right? What system is being used for encryption? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:04:27 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:04:27 +0400 Subject: 3.5.10 Kontact crashing on startup In-Reply-To: <880dece00809051310t36d0e9f9h4c9a7fdf85f1f2fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290513s72abbd1w53139ddba07e75c0@mail.gmail.com> <48C10B6A.40508@gmail.com> <880dece00809051310t36d0e9f9h4c9a7fdf85f1f2fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C522DB.3080609@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen пишет: > 2008/9/5 Alexander Smirnov : > >> Dotan Cohen пишет: >> >>> I had just upgraded to KDE 3.5.10 and now I cannot start Kontact: >>> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ kontact >>> QLayout::addChildLayout: layout already has a parent >>> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( >>> QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance ) >>> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ KCrash: Application 'kontact' crashing... >>> >>> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ >>> >>> This is a mission-critical app for me. What must I do to start troubleshooting? >>> >>> >>> >> have you managed to resolve that? >> >> > > No, Alexander, I have not. The problem persists. > > I have discovered that if I click quickly enough, I can switch to a > separate component, which prevents the app from crashing. Thus, a > viable workaround is to set Kontact to always open in the Summary > view. However, I consider this a workaround and not a solution. > > ok. looks mysterious. I often have problems with kontact app when upgrading it. This is a compound application, and every it's atom should be updated in order to get all this zoo working. I've found that 'kdepim' package is the meta package which installs all necessary applications (there are many separate packages like 'kmail', 'akregator', 'kontact' and this confuses). Could you please ensure that 'kdepim' is installed on your system? try sudo apt-get install kdepim From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Sep 8 13:00:25 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:00:25 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <1220842445.gDS8KQhLOb@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809052020.30667.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <1220842445.gDS8KQhLOb@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809080600.25371.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Sunday 07 September 2008 05:23:09 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > > I am running WICD rather than KNetworkManager because it works much > > better for > > my wifi model. It does not seem to set up its connection until late in > > the user login process. > > neither does knetworkmanager. > > > Could this be the culprit? If so, will your edits to > > the NTPdate config file work in this situation? > > It makes no difference. The ntpdate package contains the > file /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate which is run whenever a network interface > is brought up. As long as ntpdate is finding a time server, this should be > setting the time as soon as the network comes up > -- > derek My ntpdate file: # The settings in this file are used by the program ntpdate-debian, but not # by the upstream program ntpdate. # Set to "yes" to take the server list from /etc/ntp.conf, from package ntp, # so you only have to keep it in one place. NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes # List of NTP servers to use (Separate multiple servers with spaces.) # Not used if NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF is yes. NTPSERVERS="north-america.pool.ntp.org ntp.ubuntulinux.org pool.ntp.org" # Additional options to pass to ntpdate NTPOPTIONS="-u -v" .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file on my system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to any servers. I have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am watching to see if this is now resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. larry From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:10:01 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:10:01 +0300 Subject: 3.5.10 Kontact crashing on startup In-Reply-To: <48C522DB.3080609@gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290513s72abbd1w53139ddba07e75c0@mail.gmail.com> <48C10B6A.40508@gmail.com> <880dece00809051310t36d0e9f9h4c9a7fdf85f1f2fd@mail.gmail.com> <48C522DB.3080609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809080710y290b5a52w6b2c146f930cc2c4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/8 Alexander Smirnov : > ok. looks mysterious. I often have problems with kontact app when > upgrading it. This is a compound application, and every it's atom should > be updated in order to get all this zoo working. I've found that > 'kdepim' package is the meta package which installs all necessary > applications (there are many separate packages like 'kmail', > 'akregator', 'kontact' and this confuses). > > Could you please ensure that 'kdepim' is installed on your system? > try > sudo apt-get install kdepim > Very inteersting. kdepim is one of the first apps that I install on a new Kubuntu build, in fact, it is the first item in my 'new-build' script. However, just to play along I tried to install it anyway and sure enough, apt-get installed an additional 16 packages and now the problem 'went away'. Thank you for the tip. Alexander, and I will double check that the packages that I _think_ are install are in fact installed before I start troubleshooting. Have a great week. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:14:49 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:14:49 +0300 Subject: 3.5.10 Kontact crashing on startup In-Reply-To: <880dece00809080710y290b5a52w6b2c146f930cc2c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290513s72abbd1w53139ddba07e75c0@mail.gmail.com> <48C10B6A.40508@gmail.com> <880dece00809051310t36d0e9f9h4c9a7fdf85f1f2fd@mail.gmail.com> <48C522DB.3080609@gmail.com> <880dece00809080710y290b5a52w6b2c146f930cc2c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C53359.2000401@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/8 Alexander Smirnov : >> ok. looks mysterious. I often have problems with kontact app when >> upgrading it. This is a compound application, and every it's atom should >> be updated in order to get all this zoo working. I've found that >> 'kdepim' package is the meta package which installs all necessary >> applications (there are many separate packages like 'kmail', >> 'akregator', 'kontact' and this confuses). >> >> Could you please ensure that 'kdepim' is installed on your system? >> try >> sudo apt-get install kdepim >> > > Very inteersting. kdepim is one of the first apps that I install on a > new Kubuntu build, in fact, it is the first item in my 'new-build' > script. However, just to play along I tried to install it anyway and > sure enough, apt-get installed an additional 16 packages and now the > problem 'went away'. > > Thank you for the tip. Alexander, and I will double check that the > packages that I _think_ are install are in fact installed before I > start troubleshooting. > > Have a great week. > weird, i never tried kdepim or even know what it is, but kontact ran perfectly in 3.5.9 and 3.5.10 :S -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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If so, will your edits to > > > the NTPdate config file work in this situation? > > > > It makes no difference. The ntpdate package contains the > > file /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate which is run whenever a network > > interface is brought up. As long as ntpdate is finding a time server, > > this should be setting the time as soon as the network comes up > > -- > > derek > > My ntpdate file: > > # The settings in this file are used by the program ntpdate-debian, but not > # by the upstream program ntpdate. > > # Set to "yes" to take the server list from /etc/ntp.conf, from package > ntp, # so you only have to keep it in one place. > NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes > > # List of NTP servers to use (Separate multiple servers with spaces.) > # Not used if NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF is yes. > NTPSERVERS="north-america.pool.ntp.org ntp.ubuntulinux.org pool.ntp.org" > > # Additional options to pass to ntpdate > NTPOPTIONS="-u -v" > > > .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file on my > system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to any servers. I > have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am watching to see if this is now > resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. > > > larry I restarted and no effect....was still 7 minutes or so behind from the last manual update of time I did three or so days ago. larry From jjesse at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:30:40 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:30:40 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C49566.6060901@sbcglobal.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <200809050816.50132.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061150.52885.gloonie@earthlink.net> <200809061714.11628.dave@thefletchers.net> <48C30261.5000109@yahoo.com> <48C30764.5060100@sbcglobal.net> <48C49566.6060901@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I think $504 USD if I recall w/ shipping etc. Same laptop specs w/ shipping and tax is 495. Don't know what the difference is though. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Jim wrote: > Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Jim > > wrote: > > > > Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > > David Fletcher wrote: > > > > > >> PS Why do all of these machines run Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu? > > Is it the LTS > > >> issue? > > >> > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think it's the ubiquitous notion that seems to be common out > there > > > that gnome is easier for Windows users to adapt to than KDE. It > has > > > less items in it's menus to confuse your average user with, and > > it tends > > > to coddle them more. I don't like it personally, but at least > > you can > > > install a few packages and be running Kubuntu with a little > > effort. I > > > live for all the applets I use in panels, though I'm sure if I > stuck > > > with gnome long enough I'd get it setup the way I like it. > > > > > > It might be the LTS/KDE4 thing, but it's not like Kubuntu was a > > common > > > choice before that started. Perhaps they don't want to have to > > explain > > > the name "Kubuntu". Explaining "Ubuntu" is hard enough already. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > The thing that gets under my skin about the Dell Inspiron 9 , from > > what > > I can see on there website, is that the Ubuntu Laptop only offers > > you a > > 4gb SSD , whereas $Windows is getting a 8 or 16gb SSD for $50.00 > > more.(Which is the cost of $Windows) > > Sure you can get the larger drive for Linux for a lot more $$ . > > That sure stops me from buying a Dell. > > Dell has got this plan setup that your going to pay extra for the > > goodies and still end up paying the same or more, than if you bought > a > > EEEpc. > > At least least my EEEpc 702 has a 8gb SSD. > > Dell is not really doing you any favors here. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > The Dell Mini that I have purchased comes with Ubuntu 8.04 and a 16 > > Gig SSD > > > > Jonathan > How much did you pay for it ? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Why are you using kwifimanager? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 8 15:00:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:00:29 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <1220842445.gDS8KQhLOb@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809080600.25371.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809080720.49203.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <2484362.cp3rPg33N6@cedar.serverforest.com> Larry Hartman wrote: >> >> .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file on my >> system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to any servers. >> I have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am watching to see if this is >> now >> resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. > I restarted and no effect....was still 7 minutes or so behind from the > last manual update of time I did three or so days ago. So look at the logs: $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* -- derek From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Sep 8 15:33:04 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:33:04 -0700 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop In-Reply-To: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> References: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200809080833.04367.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 07 September 2008 10:52:09 pm Graham Todd wrote: > I have a Hi-Grade Model Number 332 laptop, which has an Intel wi-fi > card built in, and I have installed Kubuntu 8.04 on it. > > KWIFIManager shows that I am connected to my router with good signal > strength, but I can't connect to Konqueror or Opera. I checked with > System Settings->Network Settings and I found that my interface was > neither Configured nor Enabled so I Configured the Wireless Interface > and enabled it. I have found that KWiFiManager does indeed show good signal on the bar graph however, it does not always get an IP address. I use WiFi Radar to make sure of an IP address. Every time I have full bars but no connections with FireFox, it has been because of no IP address. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From paul at lemmons.name Mon Sep 8 16:41:38 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:41:38 -0700 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop In-Reply-To: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> References: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <48C555C2.6000301@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop From: Graham Todd To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: 09/07/2008 10:52 PM > I have a Hi-Grade Model Number 332 laptop, which has an Intel wi-fi > card built in, and I have installed Kubuntu 8.04 on it. > > KWIFIManager shows that I am connected to my router with good signal > strength, but I can't connect to Konqueror or Opera. I checked with > System Settings->Network Settings and I found that my interface was > neither Configured nor Enabled so I Configured the Wireless Interface > and enabled it. > > I rebooted and confirmed my Wireless interface enabled and correctly > confirmed and KWIFIManager shows a connection to my router with good > signal strength, but I still cannot get a connection to either > Konqueror or Opera. > > When I reconnect the ethernet cable and reboot, all is well, but > unfortunately there are no ethernet sockets in the study rooms at > university (which I start again on 29th of this month): only wi-fi > hotspots. > > Can anyone help me? > > I have had a similar probelm with my laptop (Lenovo T61 w/Intel 3954abgn). I found a huge improvement by: sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic Seems the stock kernel has problem with it. You did not mention which NIC you are using so YMMV. -- Sometimes I wonder. 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[snipped] Because it was one of the tools in the menu. What should I have used? -- Graham Todd From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 8 21:45:22 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:45:22 -0500 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop In-Reply-To: <20080908210747.7d9ed669@graham-desktop> References: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> <1280474.LaDPW5GdJ9@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080908210747.7d9ed669@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <48C59CF2.6010703@swbell.net> Graham Todd wrote: > On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:26:56 -0300 > Derek Broughton wrote: > > >> Why are you using kwifimanager? >> > [snipped] > > Because it was one of the tools in the menu. What should I have used? > > I use Knetworkmanager. I have a Gateway with Intel chipset. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 22:13:22 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:13:22 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <200809081813.22939.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 08 September 2008 3:34:02 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: > Thanks perry need a laugh today thanks again Here's a laugh. The laptops come in 3 SSD sizes. The largest size is only available for Windows. We buy a lot from Dell, and have our own account rep and configurations. We asked Dell if we could get Ubuntu on the largest drive. The initial answer was something like "Yes you are correct, there are only 3 drive sizes." When we rephrased the request (in homage to the movie "Philadelphia", so a 4 year old could understand it) we were told that, "no, you can only get the larger drive with XP preinstalled." 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In-Reply-To: <1220853730.2949.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BF2C9D.603@gmail.com> <1220853730.2949.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <2a131af80809081607p562844f8u16eeba5551d737be@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/8 Ric Moore : > > On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 16:44 -0400, Tony Sivori wrote: >> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:32:29 -0500, Michael wrote: >> >> > http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html >> >> "Bandwidth exceeded". Ha, that joke never gets old. :-) > > I must be getting dense. I didn't get it. Clue me in so I won't feel > like an idiot. :) Ric take a look at the last posts by JSKY and Matt inside that Linux-Humor thread :-) robert. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: > "There are two Great Sins in the world... > ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. > Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ > https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ > Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 8 23:44:45 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:44:45 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809081813.22939.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809081813.22939.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 08 September 2008 3:34:02 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: > >> Thanks perry need a laugh today thanks again >> > > Here's a laugh. The laptops come in 3 SSD sizes. The largest size is only > available for Windows. We buy a lot from Dell, and have our own account rep > and configurations. We asked Dell if we could get Ubuntu on the largest > drive. > > The initial answer was something like "Yes you are correct, there are only 3 > drive sizes." > > When we rephrased the request (in homage to the movie "Philadelphia", so a 4 > year old could understand it) we were told that, "no, you can only get the > larger drive with XP preinstalled." > > So, although we are a Dell shop, we are going to give it one last shot at > getting a bare drive with access to any proprietary drivers for the Ubuntu > install, and then install Ubuntu ourselves. If that fails, we are going to > buy eeePCs instead. > This is example of what I was saying earlier about the larger hard drive for Windows . I don't know what Dell has in mind about this , but is it the reason I won't buy a Dell Inspiron 9. If you get the eeePc, as far as the wireless card and webcam, you want to use the kernel-2.6.27-0.312 in Fedora 10. I'm using that kernel in FC9, on a eeePC 702 From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Tue Sep 9 01:33:33 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:33:33 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <2484362.cp3rPg33N6@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809041644.22360.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809080720.49203.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <2484362.cp3rPg33N6@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809081833.34201.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > >> .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file on my > >> system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to any servers. > >> I have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am watching to see if this > >> is now > >> resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. > > > > I restarted and no effect....was still 7 minutes or so behind from the > > last manual update of time I did three or so days ago. > > So look at the logs: > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* > > -- > derek absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. larry From joelol75 at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 01:51:34 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:51:34 -0400 Subject: Apache2 ssl certificate script not present in Hardy In-Reply-To: <200809051410.08419.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200809051410.08419.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <48C5D6A6.3080008@verizon.net> David Fletcher wrote: > I've got a small, spare machine at work that I can experiment on. I've > installed a server (command line only install option) on it using the Ubuntu > Hardy Alternate CD. > > I would like to get squirrelmail working over ssl, for access to my mail > server whilst away from home. > > Squirrelmail is installed and working (showing my mail box - I've done nothing > else with it yet) over http. What I've done next is:- > > Edit the /etc/apache2/available-servers/squirrelmail file to enable switching > from http to https. This is working. > > Downloaded and unpacked the squirrelmail secure login plugin. I'm assuming > that I need this. > > Copied /etc/apache2/sites-available/default > to /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl and edited as described in the how-to I > found to set the port number to 443 and switch on ssl. The problem is, I > don't have the /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem certificate file. When I > previously set up a server (to run subversion over Apache/ssl) with Dapper > there was a script in /usr/sbin/ called apache2-ssl-certificate, which > created a certificate for Apache to use over ssl, and it works just fine. > That script is not present on the Hardy system I just installed. > > Question - What do I use instead of apache2-ssl-certificate to > create /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem? Or has everything changed? > > TIA > > Dave > > > > The SSL is included with apache2 but needs to be enabled. a2enmod ssl should do the trick... Then just create certificates (Info at http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign_ubuntu.html )and set up the site similar to : NameVirtualHost *:443 ServerAdmin user at gmail.com SSLEngine on SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/apache.pem DocumentRoot /www/ssl/ Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Order allow,deny allow from all ScriptAlias /proxy/ /www/cgi/ AllowOverride Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Order allow,deny Allow from all ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/sslerror.log # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, # alert, emerg. LogLevel warn CustomLog /var/log/apache2/sslaccess.log combined ServerSignature Off From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 02:01:30 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:01:30 -0400 Subject: knetworkmanager/kde4 In-Reply-To: <200809071437.10434.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> References: <200809070645.31413.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200809071437.10434.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <200809082201.30710.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Thanks. Turning off compiz did the trick. Paul On Sunday 07 September 2008 8:37:07 Pascal Francq wrote: > I had the same problem. I was using Compiz with KDE4 and most of the time > the KDE3 applets (I also use the battery applet of KDE3 to control how the > processors should manage the bateries when my laptop is not connected) were > not shown correctly. Since I go back to KWin, I have no problems anymore. > It is seems that a KDE4 version of KNetworkManager will be developed in KDE > 4.2. > > On dimanche 7 septembre 2008, Paul wrote: > > I'm having a problem w/ knetworkmanager in kde4. It runs as shown in a > > process table, but it doesn't appear in the system tray. As a result I > > can't adjust any of my wireless connection settings. > > > > Oddly, I have one machine running kde4 where it does appear in the tray > > and one where it does not. Both machines also have a full kde3 > > installation although there are no logged in kde3 users. > > > > How can I get access knetworkmanager. Or is there a kde4 app which > > provides the same functionality? > > > > Thanks, > > Paul From jjesse at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 02:06:17 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:06:17 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809081813.22939.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jim wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 08 September 2008 3:34:02 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > >> Thanks perry need a laugh today thanks again > >> > > > > Here's a laugh. The laptops come in 3 SSD sizes. The largest size is > only > > available for Windows. We buy a lot from Dell, and have our own account > rep > > and configurations. We asked Dell if we could get Ubuntu on the largest > > drive. > > > > The initial answer was something like "Yes you are correct, there are > only 3 > > drive sizes." > > > > When we rephrased the request (in homage to the movie "Philadelphia", so > a 4 > > year old could understand it) we were told that, "no, you can only get > the > > larger drive with XP preinstalled." > > > > So, although we are a Dell shop, we are going to give it one last shot at > > getting a bare drive with access to any proprietary drivers for the > Ubuntu > > install, and then install Ubuntu ourselves. If that fails, we are going > to > > buy eeePCs instead. > > > This is example of what I was saying earlier about the larger hard drive > for Windows . > I don't know what Dell has in mind about this , but is it the reason I > won't buy a Dell Inspiron 9. > If you get the eeePc, as far as the wireless card and webcam, you want > to use the kernel-2.6.27-0.312 in Fedora 10. > I'm using that kernel in FC9, on a eeePC 702 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > That is interesting, I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is for the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive and from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for Windows? Please explain what I'm missing Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This time the pictures came through. I was seeing some sort of error messages where the pics were supposed to be! Heh, I like the Ubuntu one, especially after being a die-hard RedHat fanboy for many years! Thanks, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From abhishekrane at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 04:46:43 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (abhishek rane) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:16:43 +0530 Subject: Only slightly off topic, but hilarious. In-Reply-To: <1220933385.2949.143.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48BF2C9D.603@gmail.com> <1220853730.2949.22.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <2a131af80809081607p562844f8u16eeba5551d737be@mail.gmail.com> <1220933385.2949.143.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <99d719740809082146v5add93c8v682f45e137a8d166@mail.gmail.com> The gentoo one is awesome . On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 01:07 +0200, Robert Costa wrote: > > 2008/9/8 Ric Moore : > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 16:44 -0400, Tony Sivori wrote: > > >> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:32:29 -0500, Michael wrote: > > >> > > >> > http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html > > >> > > >> "Bandwidth exceeded". Ha, that joke never gets old. :-) > > > > > > I must be getting dense. I didn't get it. Clue me in so I won't feel > > > like an idiot. :) Ric > > > > take a look at the last posts by JSKY and Matt inside that Linux-Humor > > thread :-) > > Ah! 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URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Sep 9 13:53:31 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:53:31 +0200 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809081813.22939.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Jonathan Jesse schrieb: > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jim > wrote: > > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 08 September 2008 3:34:02 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > >> Thanks perry need a laugh today thanks again > >> > > > > Here's a laugh. The laptops come in 3 SSD sizes. The largest > size is only > > available for Windows. We buy a lot from Dell, and have our own > account rep > > and configurations. We asked Dell if we could get Ubuntu on the > largest > > drive. > > > > The initial answer was something like "Yes you are correct, there > are only 3 > > drive sizes." > > > > When we rephrased the request (in homage to the movie > "Philadelphia", so a 4 > > year old could understand it) we were told that, "no, you can > only get the > > larger drive with XP preinstalled." > > > > So, although we are a Dell shop, we are going to give it one last > shot at > > getting a bare drive with access to any proprietary drivers for > the Ubuntu > > install, and then install Ubuntu ourselves. If that fails, we > are going to > > buy eeePCs instead. > > > This is example of what I was saying earlier about the larger hard drive > for Windows . > I don't know what Dell has in mind about this , but is it the reason I > won't buy a Dell Inspiron 9. > If you get the eeePc, as far as the wireless card and webcam, you want > to use the kernel-2.6.27-0.312 in Fedora 10. > I'm using that kernel in FC9, on a eeePC 702 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > That is interesting, I guess I don't understand the whole the largest > drive you can get is for the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on > it has a 16GB SSD drive and from the Dell site I can the largest I caan > get is 16 Gig for Windows? Please explain what I'm missing > > Jonathan > Same with me. I just configured an Ubuntu based Mini-9 with 16GB SSD and bluetooth and 1GB of RAM. The prize tag gets a bit steep (at least for me) at $622 but I could easily add it to my shopping cart. Actually I did not buy since I prefer for myself a very good display and a very good keyboard, but I honestly do not need Atom Power on a netbook. So my choice would be the HP 2133, if I were unhappy with my small (but admitteldly not tiny) 10year old Thinkpad T21. ;-)) Kind regards Eberhard From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Tue Sep 9 14:03:11 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:03:11 +0100 Subject: Time Updates Message-ID: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:33:33 Larry Hartman wrote: > On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: > > Larry Hartman wrote: > > >> .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file on > > >> my system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to any > > >> servers. I have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am watching to > > >> see if this is now > > >> resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. > > > > > > I restarted and no effect....was still 7 minutes or so behind from the > > > last manual update of time I did three or so days ago. > > > > So look at the logs: > > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* > > > > -- > > derek > > absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. I'm getting nothing here too. Manually doing a sudo ntpdate-debian works: 9 Sep 14:47:58 ntpdate[32107]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset -2.149841 sec -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 9 14:34:35 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:34:35 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809081813.22939.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48C6897B.9060004@sbcglobal.net> Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jim > wrote: > > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 08 September 2008 3:34:02 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: > > > >> Thanks perry need a laugh today thanks again > >> > > > > Here's a laugh. The laptops come in 3 SSD sizes. The largest > size is only > > available for Windows. We buy a lot from Dell, and have our own > account rep > > and configurations. We asked Dell if we could get Ubuntu on the > largest > > drive. > > > > The initial answer was something like "Yes you are correct, > there are only 3 > > drive sizes." > > > > When we rephrased the request (in homage to the movie > "Philadelphia", so a 4 > > year old could understand it) we were told that, "no, you can > only get the > > larger drive with XP preinstalled." > > > > So, although we are a Dell shop, we are going to give it one > last shot at > > getting a bare drive with access to any proprietary drivers for > the Ubuntu > > install, and then install Ubuntu ourselves. If that fails, we > are going to > > buy eeePCs instead. > > > This is example of what I was saying earlier about the larger hard > drive > for Windows . > I don't know what Dell has in mind about this , but is it the reason I > won't buy a Dell Inspiron 9. > If you get the eeePc, as far as the wireless card and webcam, you want > to use the kernel-2.6.27-0.312 in Fedora 10. > I'm using that kernel in FC9, on a eeePC 702 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > That is interesting, I guess I don't understand the whole the largest > drive you can get is for the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu > on it has a 16GB SSD drive and from the Dell site I can the largest I > caan get is 16 Gig for Windows? Please explain what I'm missing > > Jonathan On the Dell site, what I had seen was a 4gb with Ubuntu on it and 16gb for Windows and the Windows was $50.00 more. From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 17:00:32 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 08 September 2008 10:06:17 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: > I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is for > the Windows XP one?  The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive and > from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for Windows?  > Please explain what I'm missing Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Our experience same as Jim's. Could this be that Dell is selling different configurations in the US vs. Europe? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 17:08:06 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:08:06 +0300 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 08 September 2008 10:06:17 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: >> I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is for >> the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive and >> from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for Windows? >> Please explain what I'm missing > > Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. > what do they get though? i don't understand, what's the point? ubuntu is much cheaper (free) than windows, for the price of a windows license, they can put a bigger SSD drive! or you think they don't want ubuntu getting more customer base than windows? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Sep 9 17:26:17 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:26:17 -0500 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C6B1B9.2080406@swbell.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Monday 08 September 2008 10:06:17 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: >> >>> I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is for >>> the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive and >>> from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for Windows? >>> Please explain what I'm missing >>> >> Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. >> >> > > what do they get though? i don't understand, what's the point? ubuntu is > much cheaper (free) than windows, for the price of a windows license, > they can put a bigger SSD drive! or you think they don't want ubuntu > getting more customer base than windows? > > I don't remember if it was on this list or another discussing the mini-pc's. But, I think they may have hit it on the head. By using Ubuntu they lose income. Have you bought an "off-the-shelf" computer lately. It takes hours to delete all the crap-ware that comes pre-installed. I'm quite sure there are benefits attached with which software gets installed and which doesn't. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From dave at thefletchers.net Tue Sep 9 17:28:13 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:28:13 +0100 Subject: Apache2 ssl certificate script not present in Hardy - Sorted In-Reply-To: <48C5D6A6.3080008@verizon.net> References: <200809051410.08419.dave@thefletchers.net> <48C5D6A6.3080008@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200809091828.23362.dave@thefletchers.net> On Tuesday 09 Sep 2008, Joel Oliver wrote: Thanks, it's now working. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Sep 9 18:03:45 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:03:45 +0200 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C6B1B9.2080406@swbell.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> <48C6B1B9.2080406@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Walsh schrieb: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >> >>> On Monday 08 September 2008 10:06:17 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: >>> >>>> I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is for >>>> the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive and >>>> from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for Windows? >>>> Please explain what I'm missing >>>> >>> Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. >>> >>> >> what do they get though? i don't understand, what's the point? ubuntu is >> much cheaper (free) than windows, for the price of a windows license, >> they can put a bigger SSD drive! or you think they don't want ubuntu >> getting more customer base than windows? >> >> > > I don't remember if it was on this list or another discussing the > mini-pc's. But, I think they may have hit it on the head. By using > Ubuntu they lose income. Have you bought an "off-the-shelf" computer > lately. It takes hours to delete all the crap-ware that comes > pre-installed. I'm quite sure there are benefits attached with which > software gets installed and which doesn't. > If Dell delivers crapware as a means to finance profits (I do not know since it is years ago that I bought Dell as a business customer) then it would only be fair that customers charge back Dell for the time they need to delete this mess. Furthermore, against what soem people here experience, I am situated in germany, visited the Dell US Website, that charges dollars, not Euros. And as pointed out, I could configure and move to my cart ubuntu with 16GB ssd, bluetooth, vga, warranty extension, memory upgrde for $ 622 So I can only conclude that Dell offers Europeans a different US website that they have for Americans? Hard to believe, I think. Lastly, I would make it very clear to Dell that it is the customer who decides what product to buy. If more people do it, they will surely learn from it.;-) Kind regard Eberhard Kind From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Tue Sep 9 18:10:26 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:10:26 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? Message-ID: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Can't find it in the repos. Only "bmpx" - I don't want experimental, I just want something winamp-ish easy to use. Amarok sucks. Pointers? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From slewin at bmts.com Tue Sep 9 18:10:27 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:10:27 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C6BC13.6050404@bmts.com> Art Alexion wrote: > Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. > That is weird because when I went to their site, the US one, to check it out I was able to upgrade the SSD to 16GB with a Ubuntu OS. I did not get the laptop because it is not available here in Canada yet, but it looked nice. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Tue Sep 9 18:27:03 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:27:03 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809092027.03309.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Tuesday 09 September 2008 20:10:26 schreef Dexter Filmore: > Amarok sucks. why is that? I use Amarok now over 1,5 year and have nop problems what so ever/ -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From slewin at bmts.com Tue Sep 9 18:27:34 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:27:34 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C6BC13.6050404@bmts.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6BC13.6050404@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48C6C016.9040401@bmts.com> Scott wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. I just checked the US Dell site again. I don't know what people are talking about. You can not only get a 16gb SSD with Ubuntu, you get it at the same price as the windows one. I just checked and the 16GB windows inspiron 9 is the exact same thing as a Ubuntu one with a 16GB SDD upgrade and a 1GB RAM upgrade. Actually, technically at least, the Ubuntu machine is cheaper because both show a price tag of $449, but the windows one shows the actual price at $489 with a $40 discount. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 18:48:40 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:48:40 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809092048.40847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday, 09 September 2008 20:10:26 Dexter Filmore wrote: > Amarok sucks I'd have to say I wouldn't use such strong terms, but Amarok sucks my system into a slow down for sure :) I think it's all the sundry Ruby and whatnot going on. I use xmms mostly, but I think it's long dead now. Still, simple, lightweight and just play me darn songs. \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 18:48:59 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:48:59 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <200809092048.40847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809092048.40847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Donn wrote: > On Tuesday, 09 September 2008 20:10:26 Dexter Filmore wrote: >> Amarok sucks > I'd have to say I wouldn't use such strong terms, but Amarok sucks my system > into a slow down for sure :) I think it's all the sundry Ruby and whatnot > going on. > > I use xmms mostly, but I think it's long dead now. Still, simple, lightweight > and just play me darn songs. > > \d If you want light, why use the gui at all? I like Amarok but it can slow down laptops. We need an Amarok lite fork! http://www.linux.com/feature/53095 Read the comments on the end. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 19:07:37 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:07:37 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809092048.40847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809092107.37182.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday, 09 September 2008 20:48:59 Knapp wrote: > If you want light, why use the gui at all? Too true. I guess I like the old drag and bop :) \d From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 19:15:34 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:15:34 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: 2008/9/9 Dexter Filmore : > Can't find it in the repos. > Only "bmpx" - I don't want experimental, I just want something winamp-ish easy > to use. Amarok sucks. > > Pointers? The best "winamp-ish" i know is audacious, it's in the repro (http://audacious-media-player.org/ ). For the console a really good ncursed based player is C* Music Player (cmus). http://cmus.sourceforge.net/. / Jonas From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 9 19:21:51 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:21:51 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C6CCCF.407@sbcglobal.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Monday 08 September 2008 10:06:17 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: >> >>> I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is for >>> the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive and >>> from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for Windows? >>> Please explain what I'm missing >>> >> Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. >> >> > > what do they get though? i don't understand, what's the point? ubuntu is > much cheaper (free) than windows, for the price of a windows license, > they can put a bigger SSD drive! or you think they don't want ubuntu > getting more customer base than windows? > > I kind of smell $Microsoft close by. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 19:39:55 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:39:55 +0300 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high Message-ID: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> I couldn't help but notice how games seemed more sluggish than usual on my system CPU 3.0 GHz with HT RAM 1.5 GiB DDR2 VGA nVidia GeForce 7300 LE 256 MiB games used to run blazing fast, but now, they're not after watching htop for a while, i was intrigued by kget first. kget runs at <90% most of the time, consuming all of the power of the first CPU, then there is this other process that i couldn't get much info about, called artsd .it also runs at high level, but does it for 5~10 seconds at a time, and rests for another 5~10 seconds. these 2 proceses are killing my system! why would kget need such CPU usage? it's only a download manager! and what is this artsd ? using kubuntu hardy, with KDE 3.5.10 , and no desktop effects of any kind running. thanks in advance -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From fsunoles at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 20:47:21 2008 From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Homer) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:47:21 -0600 Subject: monitor and display Message-ID: <75db45220809091347l27c045e9lec104ed733506db5@mail.gmail.com> Kubuntu Hardy I've installed xorg and kde-core. What package do I need to install to get the Monitor and Display option? From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 22:01:21 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:01:21 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <200809092027.03309.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809092027.03309.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10809091501w104e828cnc63497e655cbf579@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Tuesday 09 September 2008 20:10:26 schreef Dexter Filmore: >> Amarok sucks. > > why is that? > I use Amarok now over 1,5 year and have nop problems what so ever/ More so... Amarok is one of the reasons I can not ever live without a KDE system. It is the damn best audio player available. -- Greetings, Gordon. From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 01:50:49 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:50:49 -0400 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <2cdd5ab10809091501w104e828cnc63497e655cbf579@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809092027.03309.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <2cdd5ab10809091501w104e828cnc63497e655cbf579@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221011449.27207.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 00:01 +0200, Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Peter Klaassen > wrote: > > Op Tuesday 09 September 2008 20:10:26 schreef Dexter Filmore: > >> Amarok sucks. > > > > why is that? > > I use Amarok now over 1,5 year and have nop problems what so ever/ > More so... Amarok is one of the reasons I can not ever live without a > KDE system. It is the damn best audio player available. I use the heck out of it and have had no problems. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 01:53:02 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:53:02 -0400 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 22:39 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: > I couldn't help but notice how games seemed more sluggish than usual > on my system > CPU 3.0 GHz with HT > RAM 1.5 GiB DDR2 > VGA nVidia GeForce 7300 LE 256 MiB > > games used to run blazing fast, but now, they're not > after watching htop for a while, i was intrigued by kget first. kget > runs at <90% most of the time, consuming all of the power of the first > CPU, then there is this other process that i couldn't get much info > about, called artsd .it also runs at high level, but does it for 5~10 > seconds at a time, and rests for another 5~10 seconds. these 2 > proceses are killing my system! > why would kget need such CPU usage? it's only a download manager! > > and what is this artsd ? It's the KDE audio system, ARTS, running as a daemon. (artsd) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Wed Sep 10 02:27:51 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:27:51 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200809091927.51780.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 07:03:11 am Mark Fraser wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:33:33 Larry Hartman wrote: > > On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Larry Hartman wrote: > > > >> .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file on > > > >> my system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to any > > > >> servers. I have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am watching to > > > >> see if this is now > > > >> resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. > > > > > > > > I restarted and no effect....was still 7 minutes or so behind from > > > > the last manual update of time I did three or so days ago. > > > > > > So look at the logs: > > > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* > > > > > > -- > > > derek > > > > absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. > > I'm getting nothing here too. Manually doing a sudo ntpdate-debian works: > > 9 Sep 14:47:58 ntpdate[32107]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset > -2.149841 sec > -- > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org Thanx Mark, Only one question, does this tell me when the time server was last polled by my computer, or does it actually poll and adjust my current time? Larry From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 02:50:57 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:50:57 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> <48C6B1B9.2080406@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48C73611.6030301@verizon.net> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > If Dell delivers crapware as a means to finance profits (I do not know > since it is years ago that I bought Dell as a business customer) then > it would only be fair that customers charge back Dell for the time > they need to delete this mess. Arguably the customers already do because the computer is often discounted because of the crapware -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose there are enough stupid people out ther e that just send in the money before the trial period runs out to make it profitable. When I used to work at Wal Mart there were hundreds of AOL Free Trial CD's everywhere in the store. Wal Mart made $10.00 for every disc that got used. OK, lets say a computer manufacturer puts on a trial version of Norton. Mr' Stupid buys the computer and sends Symantec the $$$$$. Symantec then pays $$$ to the computer manufacturer for putting it on the computer. Add in the $$$ paid by the gaming site for preloading a trial on the computer, A trial version of some DVD software, Music download sites, ad infinitum and the bucks add up. So now Mr. Smart wants to buy a computer with Linux on it. 99.9% of Linux software is free so the computer manufacturer loses out on that extra $$$ from all the trial software manufacturers. Now the computer manufacturer isn't going to lose if he can help it so he charges Mr. Smart a little extra. Probably less than a Windows computer but still more than it should cost. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Sep 10 05:23:46 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:23:46 +0300 Subject: Backports ?? Message-ID: <48C759E2.6080400@rmk.co.il> I've been meaning to ask this for some time now - what advantages are there in enabling the backports repos? Are there any disadvantages? Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 10 06:04:37 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:04:37 -0400 Subject: Network says "online", no surf Message-ID: <48C76375.6000202@cfl.rr.com> I had a problem I have seen mentioned in this list. I was able to get "Wifi Radar" to connect to my home wireless router (protected) but could not get Firefox to surf. It kept saying I had no network connection. Needless to say, this drove me crazy!!! I finally found a solution. I opened FF (3.0, by the way) and under the EDIT menu I clicked on Preferences I then clicked on the tab ADVANCED. On the advanced page appeared several more tabs. I clicked on the NETWORK tab. On that page I clicked on the SETTINGS button over to the right. On that page was a list of selections, the second of which was "Auto-detect proxy settings for this network". I clicked (for our British cousins, ticked) that one and closed everything. I was then able to surf. This really bugged me for about three weeks, and I am glad it is over. I only hope someone makes effective use of this information. Good luck! Tom Bell From h_taheri at isc.iranet.net Wed Sep 10 06:55:46 2008 From: h_taheri at isc.iranet.net (homayoon taheri) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:25:46 +0430 Subject: How to play flash! Message-ID: <1221029746.8176.10.camel@ubuntu804> Hi Guys my ubuntu 8.04 is installed on amd64 and I'm using firefox3.0.1 and then I couldn't find adobe flash player version x86-64 what should I do to view flash on my browser? thanks homayoon From jussi01 at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 10 07:01:35 2008 From: jussi01 at ubuntu.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:01:35 +0300 Subject: How to play flash! In-Reply-To: <1221029746.8176.10.camel@ubuntu804> References: <1221029746.8176.10.camel@ubuntu804> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:55 AM, homayoon taheri wrote: > Hi Guys > > my ubuntu 8.04 is installed on amd64 and > I'm using firefox3.0.1 and then > I couldn't find adobe flash player version x86-64 > > what should I do to view flash on my browser? Flash on 64 bit takes a little setting up. you can find the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava BR Jussi > > thanks > homayoon > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 07:16:17 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:16:17 +0200 Subject: How to play flash! In-Reply-To: References: <1221029746.8176.10.camel@ubuntu804> Message-ID: 2008/9/10 Jussi Schultink : > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:55 AM, homayoon taheri > wrote: >> Hi Guys >> >> my ubuntu 8.04 is installed on amd64 and >> I'm using firefox3.0.1 and then >> I couldn't find adobe flash player version x86-64 >> >> what should I do to view flash on my browser? > > Flash on 64 bit takes a little setting up. you can find the > instructions here: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava > > BR > > Jussi >> There is no need to do that anymore. If you don't have the multiverse repro enabled, do that and then install flashplugin-nonfree and it should work "out of the box" with firefox and konqueror. I have not had any problem to install flash in hardy. / Jonas From alain.muls at telenet.be Wed Sep 10 08:12:35 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:12:35 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1.1 Message-ID: <200809101012.35196.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I am a happy user of KDE v4.1.1, and very much like its looks (better than 3.5 in my opinion) but some things are a bit annoying me. - I like the 'finder' way of dolphin where the subsequent directories are listed in columns. However, when you want to go back up several dirs (so several columns) to select another dir, than dolphin crashes. Are there others who observe this behavoiur before I enter a bug for that? - I do not know whether kubuntu has a package for the plasmoids or how to compile myself these plasmoids (which packages needed). Can you give me a pointer to these instructions? - the 3.5.x applet for managing the battery (define hibernation or shutdown at low battery) of my laptop is missing in 4.1, is there an equivalent or should I install the 3.5.x applet and use it? - kontact can take a lot of time to update its screen when fetching mail. Is this normal? - konqueror is unable to auto detect the proxy settings as firefox does. How come, I thought konqueror was the 'killer app' of KDE? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alain MULS alain.muls at telenet.be CISS-GENA +32.2.7426340 Renaissance Avenue 30 1000 BRUSSELS - Belgium ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 08:23:37 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:23:37 +0300 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <1221011449.27207.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809092027.03309.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <2cdd5ab10809091501w104e828cnc63497e655cbf579@mail.gmail.com> <1221011449.27207.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40809100123k57852459l8c917648fb3d025@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/10 Ric Moore : > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 00:01 +0200, Gordon Schulz wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Peter Klaassen >> wrote: >> > Op Tuesday 09 September 2008 20:10:26 schreef Dexter Filmore: >> >> Amarok sucks. >> > >> > why is that? >> > I use Amarok now over 1,5 year and have nop problems what so ever/ >> More so... Amarok is one of the reasons I can not ever live without a >> KDE system. It is the damn best audio player available. > > I use the heck out of it and have had no problems. Ric > the best audio player ever, 2 people i know are now Linux users just after seeing amarok, it's really fantastic lyrics fetching, cover fetching, collection organising, wonderful track queuing, tons of other scripts to add, what else does one need? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 08:26:32 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:26:32 +0300 Subject: Backports ?? In-Reply-To: <48C759E2.6080400@rmk.co.il> References: <48C759E2.6080400@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <15edeae40809100126i615175a9hfe36ad354297eef8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/10 Nigel Ridley : > I've been meaning to ask this for some time now - what advantages are there in enabling the > backports repos? Are there any disadvantages? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > you get new versions of packages that are considered unsafe for main, when packages are updated, they are sent to main, if the update affects the minor version number, but if the major version number changed, ubuntu has a policy of putting this package in the backports instead. i never got any problems from backports so far -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 08:45:26 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:45:26 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809100123k57852459l8c917648fb3d025@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1221011449.27207.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809100123k57852459l8c917648fb3d025@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809101045.26812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 10 September 2008 10:23:37 Willy Hamra wrote: > what else does one need? RAM :D \d From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:01:09 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:01:09 +0300 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high In-Reply-To: <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40809100201h58b4d902v6ac0cd365c952805@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/10 Ric Moore : > > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 22:39 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: >> I couldn't help but notice how games seemed more sluggish than usual >> on my system >> CPU 3.0 GHz with HT >> RAM 1.5 GiB DDR2 >> VGA nVidia GeForce 7300 LE 256 MiB >> >> games used to run blazing fast, but now, they're not >> after watching htop for a while, i was intrigued by kget first. kget >> runs at <90% most of the time, consuming all of the power of the first >> CPU, then there is this other process that i couldn't get much info >> about, called artsd .it also runs at high level, but does it for 5~10 >> seconds at a time, and rests for another 5~10 seconds. these 2 >> proceses are killing my system! >> why would kget need such CPU usage? it's only a download manager! >> >> and what is this artsd ? > > It's the KDE audio system, ARTS, running as a daemon. (artsd) Ric > thnx, yes, amarok is running almost all of the time, but once i start playing i stop it. but kget keeps running in the background though. so basically, kget is the culprit of all this slugishness, it's really weird, what CPU intensive operations does a download manager require? as far as i know, download managers has always been idle processes, doing nothing but waiting for data to be received (you know, blazing fast data transfer, 128 kbps :P) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:03:47 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:03:47 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: <200809101045.26812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1221011449.27207.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809100123k57852459l8c917648fb3d025@mail.gmail.com> <200809101045.26812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Donn wrote: > On Wednesday, 10 September 2008 10:23:37 Willy Hamra wrote: >> what else does one need? > RAM > :D > You can get 2gb for 30 euros! What more do you want? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:26:34 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:26:34 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? In-Reply-To: References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101045.26812.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 10 September 2008 11:03:47 Knapp wrote: > What more do you want? 30 euros! I can do this all day :D \d -- When you allow legends to rule your life, your world is based on fiction -- Segio Aragones (Groo the Wanderer Number 99) Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Sep 10 09:26:16 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:26:16 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1.1 In-Reply-To: <200809101012.35196.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200809101012.35196.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200809100526.16197.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Wednesday 10 September 2008 04:12:35 Alain Muls wrote: > - I like the 'finder' way of dolphin where the subsequent directories are > listed in columns. However, when you want to go back up several dirs (so > several columns) to select another dir, than dolphin crashes. Are there > others who observe this behavoiur before I enter a bug for that? It's been stable for me, although I don't use this config. I found that after upgrading from 4.1.0 to 4.1.1, it was necessary to rename my ~/.kde4 directory, let it rebuild, and then copy over any application specific configs that I was too lazy to rebuild. > - I do not know whether kubuntu has a package for the plasmoids or how to > compile myself these plasmoids (which packages needed). Can you give me a > pointer to these instructions? Down load the source file Then # tar -xvzf # cd # mkdir build # cd build # cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. # make # make install It should appear in the Add Widgets dialog. For some apps (not plasmoids), I've had to run sudo make install, make sure you install kdebin-workspace-dev, gcc, and g++. If you get any errors during compiling, you can usually google the error text and quickly find which additional package you'll need to install. > - the 3.5.x applet for managing the battery (define hibernation or > shutdown at low battery) of my laptop is missing in 4.1, is there an > equivalent or should I install the 3.5.x applet and use it? powerdevil (see above) > - kontact can take a lot of time to update its screen when fetching mail. > Is this normal? I haven't noticed, but see my first comment > - konqueror is unable to auto detect the proxy settings as firefox does. > How come, I thought konqueror was the 'killer app' of KDE? Haven't tried yet. 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 01:33:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0300 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop References: <20080908065209.014e4555@graham-desktop> <1280474.LaDPW5GdJ9@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080908210747.7d9ed669@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <8791679.SeR5AlMU1v@cedar.serverforest.com> Graham Todd wrote: > On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:26:56 -0300 > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Why are you using kwifimanager? > [snipped] > > Because it was one of the tools in the menu. What should I have used? What version of Ubuntu are you using - or perhaps what version of KDE? I'm pretty sure that kwifimanager has not been part of the official kubuntu distribution for at least two releases. Oddly, it _does_ appear to be part of the KDE4 packaging. knetwork-manager (or network-manager-kde - they provide the same thing) is the system default network tool, and it doesn't always handle every possible case, but it works pretty well _most_ of the time. However, if you just try to switch to that now, I guarantee it won't work either - because you've now modified /etc/network/interfaces, and it ignores interfaces defined in there. If you want to try knetwork-manager, remove any mention of your wireless interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 01:37:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:37:25 -0300 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2382942.y9J45QKCix@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> On Monday 08 September 2008 10:06:17 pm Jonathan Jesse wrote: >>> I guess I don't understand the whole the largest drive you can get is >>> for >>> the Windows XP one? The Dell Mini w/ Ubuntu on it has a 16GB SSD drive >>> and from the Dell site I can the largest I caan get is 16 Gig for >>> Windows? Please explain what I'm missing >> >> Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. >> > > what do they get though? i don't understand, what's the point? ubuntu is > much cheaper (free) than windows, for the price of a windows license, > they can put a bigger SSD drive! or you think they don't want ubuntu > getting more customer base than windows? > No, I think Microsoft is saying we won't sell you OEM licenses at all if you don't create a configuration that gives preference to Windows - and they can't do that in Europe, because the EU won't let them. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 01:44:07 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:44:07 -0300 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> <48C6B1B9.2080406@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1526106.1AsITejpDp@cedar.serverforest.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Furthermore, against what soem people here experience, I am situated > in germany, visited the Dell US Website, that charges dollars, not Euros. > > And as pointed out, I could configure and move to my cart ubuntu with > 16GB ssd, bluetooth, vga, warranty extension, memory upgrde for $ 622 > > So I can only conclude that Dell offers Europeans a different US > website that they have for Americans? Hard to believe, I think. Sort of... Art's talking about Business purchases. In actual fact, at the Business part of the site, _every_ company sees a slightly different website - and hardware available to one company may not be available to another. I'm sure Art could go to the same site as you, but he wouldn't get the same deal he gets for company purchases (which is sometimes no deal at all - I've heard people complaining that the government standing offer for monitors only allows purchasers to pay about 50% more for the monitor than they could pay by walking into a Future Shop or Best Buy) - and they can't have a 22" LCD at all. -- derek From alain.muls at telenet.be Wed Sep 10 12:38:17 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:38:17 +0200 Subject: help for compiling a plasmoid Message-ID: <200809101438.17395.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I tried to compile the powerdevil plasmoid, but I get the following error: [amuls at geod02:/tmp/powerdevil-0.9.0a] make [ 4%] Generating powerdeviladaptor.cpp, powerdeviladaptor.h /bin/sh: QT_DBUSXML2CPP_EXECUTABLE-NOTFOUND: not found make[2]: *** [daemon/powerdeviladaptor.cpp] Error 127 make[1]: *** [daemon/CMakeFiles/kded_powerdevil.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 I cannot find anything on google, so I hope you can advice me? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alain MULS alain.muls at telenet.be CISS-GENA +32.2.7426340 Renaissance Avenue 30 1000 BRUSSELS - Belgium ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:25:07 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:25:07 +0100 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <200809091927.51780.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809091927.51780.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 10 September 2008 03:27:51 Larry Hartman wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 07:03:11 am Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:33:33 Larry Hartman wrote: > > > On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: > > > > Larry Hartman wrote: > > > > >> .....I checked and discovered that there is no /etc/ntp.conf file > > > > >> on my system. This tells me that ntpdate was not reaching out to > > > > >> any servers. I have since switched the "yes" to "no" and am > > > > >> watching to see if this is now > > > > >> resolved. I also added your options that you posted previously. > > > > > > > > > > I restarted and no effect....was still 7 minutes or so behind from > > > > > the last manual update of time I did three or so days ago. > > > > > > > > So look at the logs: > > > > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* > > > > > > > > -- > > > > derek > > > > > > absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. > > > > I'm getting nothing here too. Manually doing a sudo ntpdate-debian works: > > > > 9 Sep 14:47:58 ntpdate[32107]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset > > -2.149841 sec > > -- > > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > Thanx Mark, > > Only one question, does this tell me when the time server was last polled > by my computer, or does it actually poll and adjust my current time? It polls and adjusts your current time. I'm sure there must be some way of getting to update upon boot. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Sep 10 13:37:28 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:37:28 +0200 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion schrieb: > > Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. > ok, then you can still get Windows Refunds. For a start, see here: http://www.linux.com/articles/59381 kind regards Eberhard From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 14:34:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:34:11 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809091927.51780.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Wednesday 10 September 2008 03:27:51 Larry Hartman wrote: >> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 07:03:11 am Mark Fraser wrote: >> > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:33:33 Larry Hartman wrote: >> > > On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> > > > So look at the logs: >> > > > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* >> > > >> > > absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. >> > >> > I'm getting nothing here too. Manually doing a sudo ntpdate-debian >> > works: >> > >> > 9 Sep 14:47:58 ntpdate[32107]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset >> > -2.149841 sec >> >> Only one question, does this tell me when the time server was last polled >> by my computer, or does it actually poll and adjust my current time? > > It polls and adjusts your current time. I'm sure there must be some way of > getting to update upon boot. Do you have /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate? If not, you should, because it is part of the ntpdate package. If you do, what happens if you disconnect from and reconnect to the network? It's possible that that runs before you can actually get to a time server (I've seen that) but even so, it should give a message. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 14:38:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:38:09 -0300 Subject: Backports ?? References: <48C759E2.6080400@rmk.co.il> <15edeae40809100126i615175a9hfe36ad354297eef8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <101766061.kWl3fa6SmK@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/9/10 Nigel Ridley : >> I've been meaning to ask this for some time now - what advantages are >> there in enabling the backports repos? Are there any disadvantages? >> > you get new versions of packages that are considered unsafe for main, > when packages are updated, they are sent to main, Not really true. Once a release is made, "main" is static except for security issues (and they should come from the ubuntu-security repo. Backports can have new features. > if the update > affects the minor version number, but if the major version number > changed, ubuntu has a policy of putting this package in the backports > instead. i never got any problems from backports so far Neither have I. -- derek From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Wed Sep 10 16:45:49 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:45:49 +0100 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809101745.49905.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 10 September 2008 15:34:11 Derek Broughton wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Wednesday 10 September 2008 03:27:51 Larry Hartman wrote: > >> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 07:03:11 am Mark Fraser wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:33:33 Larry Hartman wrote: > >> > > On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > > > So look at the logs: > >> > > > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* > >> > > > >> > > absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. > >> > > >> > I'm getting nothing here too. Manually doing a sudo ntpdate-debian > >> > works: > >> > > >> > 9 Sep 14:47:58 ntpdate[32107]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset > >> > -2.149841 sec > >> > >> Only one question, does this tell me when the time server was last > >> polled by my computer, or does it actually poll and adjust my current > >> time? > > > > It polls and adjusts your current time. I'm sure there must be some way > > of getting to update upon boot. > > Do you have /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate? Yes I do. > If not, you should, because it is part of the ntpdate package. If you do, > what happens if you disconnect from and reconnect to the network? It's > possible that that runs before you can actually get to a time server (I've > seen that) but even so, it should give a message. I found from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime that I needed to install the ntp package. After rebooting and running grep ntp /var/log/syslog* I get: Sep 10 15:42:28 Rachael ntpd[1324]: time reset -0.135819 s Sep 10 15:54:36 Rachael ntpd[1324]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 Sep 10 17:09:07 Rachael ntpd[4371]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 So, it looks like it is working OK now. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 16:51:08 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:51:08 +0300 Subject: help for compiling a plasmoid In-Reply-To: <200809101438.17395.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200809101438.17395.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <48C7FAFC.50003@gmail.com> Alain Muls wrote: > Hi > > I tried to compile the powerdevil plasmoid, but I get the following error: > > [amuls at geod02:/tmp/powerdevil-0.9.0a] make > [ 4%] Generating powerdeviladaptor.cpp, powerdeviladaptor.h > /bin/sh: QT_DBUSXML2CPP_EXECUTABLE-NOTFOUND: not found > make[2]: *** [daemon/powerdeviladaptor.cpp] Error 127 > make[1]: *** [daemon/CMakeFiles/kded_powerdevil.dir/all] Error 2 > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > I cannot find anything on google, so I hope you can advice me? do you have libplasma-dev installed? try running sudo apt-get install libplasma-dev -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For instance, when dragging a bunch of messages to the Trash in my Gmail account, the messages disappear one at a time, and I am unable to open any other messages in the folder until the operation concludes. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 18:07:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:07:23 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809101745.49905.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <1670344.vOtLYphktQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > I found from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime that I needed to > install the ntp package. You don't. I don't have ntp. > After rebooting and running > grep ntp /var/log/syslog* > > I get: > > Sep 10 15:42:28 Rachael ntpd[1324]: time reset -0.135819 s > Sep 10 15:54:36 Rachael ntpd[1324]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 > Sep 10 17:09:07 Rachael ntpd[4371]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 > > So, it looks like it is working OK now. No, it's not. You can do that if you want, but it's ntpd not ntpdate that's setting your time. You _don't_ need ntpd, and I really think it's not a good idea to be running servers you don't understand. -- derek From manuel at mclure.org Wed Sep 10 18:13:15 2008 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:13:15 -0700 Subject: audiocd:/ kioslave and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <2a131af80807311548l1b238c18u8943748a38576e51@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2fd9c60807311516i61cb58a6n2500e3dbc02b4d77@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80807311548l1b238c18u8943748a38576e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b2fd9c60809101113he053a8egedc8140ba4a0a582@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Robert Costa wrote: > 2008/8/1 Manuel McLure : >> Has anyone had success using the audiocd:/ kioslave on KDE 4.1? When I >> use it, I see the tracks of the CD in the root directory as .wav >> files, and I see Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, MP3 and other subdirectories, but >> if I open one of the subdirectories (except for Full Disc) it's empty. >> Amarok (using the 3.5 kioslave) sees the MP3/Ogg files just fine. Just >> wondering if I'm missing something obvious, or if I should report this >> as a bug. This works fine on 3.5. > > You're not alone. I get the same behavior here. Typing "audiocd:/" > into Dolphin's location text field gives me some directories without > entries and the wav files in the main dir. The subdirs are: The good news is that this seems to be fixed in KDE 4.1.1. I've ripped a CD or two already using Dolphin on 4.1.1. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Sep 10 19:17:14 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:17:14 +0200 Subject: Can't pin firefox-3 not to install Message-ID: <200809102117.14684.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> /etc/apt/preferences looks like this: Package: firefox Pin: version 3.* Pin-Priority: -100 apt-cache policy firefox gives me: firefox: Installed: (none) Candidate: 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 Package pin: 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 Version table: 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 -100 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Packages 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 -100 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages Doesn't look quite right to me. Besides firefox-2 is installed. Isn't listed as installed since it's not really another version but a different package, I take it. Still, how about ff3? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From ender8282 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 19:23:34 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:23:34 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <1670344.vOtLYphktQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809101745.49905.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1670344.vOtLYphktQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48C81EB6.1090209@yahoo.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > >> I found from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime that I needed to >> install the ntp package. >> > > You don't. I don't have ntp. > > >> After rebooting and running >> grep ntp /var/log/syslog* >> >> I get: >> >> Sep 10 15:42:28 Rachael ntpd[1324]: time reset -0.135819 s >> Sep 10 15:54:36 Rachael ntpd[1324]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 >> Sep 10 17:09:07 Rachael ntpd[4371]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 >> >> So, it looks like it is working OK now. >> > > No, it's not. You can do that if you want, but it's ntpd not ntpdate that's > setting your time. You _don't_ need ntpd, and I really think it's not a > good idea to be running servers you don't understand. > I read the man page for ntpd and it looks like ntpd can either be a daemon that wakes itself up on interval and updates the time in your machine or actually broadcasts time to other machines. In the man page it notes that with the '-q' option it mimics the behavior of ntpdate, "which is to be retired". I then poked around at /etc/ntp.conf and it looks like the default is to just listen. There was a line commented out about broadcast. Am I correct in believing that the default for ntpd is to just update my time on a regular interval and not broadcast the time to the network? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Sep 10 19:51:58 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:51:58 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? -thanks, man! In-Reply-To: References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809102151.58859.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Dienstag, 9. September 2008 21:15:34 schrieb Jonas Norlander: > 2008/9/9 Dexter Filmore : > > Can't find it in the repos. > > Only "bmpx" - I don't want experimental, I just want something winamp-ish > > easy to use. Amarok sucks. > > > > Pointers? > > The best "winamp-ish" i know is audacious, it's in the repro > (http://audacious-media-player.org/ ). *Exactly* what I need, thanks a bunch, didn't even know this one. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Sep 10 19:54:48 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:54:48 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu In-Reply-To: <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, awesome! I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I don't like it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone and got THIS. Thanks to Jonas Norlander for a USEFUL answer. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 20:01:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:01:03 -0300 Subject: Time Updates References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809101745.49905.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1670344.vOtLYphktQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <48C81EB6.1090209@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1548508.g64KkHmkfj@cedar.serverforest.com> John Hubbard wrote: > I read the man page for ntpd and it looks like ntpd can either be a > daemon that wakes itself up on interval and updates the time in your > machine or actually broadcasts time to other machines. In the man page > it notes that with the '-q' option it mimics the behavior of ntpdate, > "which is to be retired". istr it's said that for years. I'll believe it when it happens. > I then poked around at /etc/ntp.conf and it looks like the default is to > just listen. There was a line commented out about broadcast. > Am I correct in believing that the default for ntpd is to just update my > time on a regular interval and not broadcast the time to the network? it should be - I just hate the idea of installing a program that with one small change by a user who doesn't know what he's doing, is going to start broadcasting to the network. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Sep 10 20:08:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:08:24 -0300 Subject: Can't pin firefox-3 not to install References: <200809102117.14684.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1645935.fbnl27H7Kb@cedar.serverforest.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > /etc/apt/preferences looks like this: > > Package: firefox > Pin: version 3.* > Pin-Priority: -100 > > > apt-cache policy firefox > > gives me: > > firefox: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 > Package pin: 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 > Version table: > 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 -100 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Packages > 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 -100 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages > > Doesn't look quite right to me. Besides firefox-2 is installed. Isn't > listed as installed since it's not really another version but a different > package, I take it. > Still, how about ff3? What's the question? That package is pinned - I can't recall whether -100 says never download, but both versions are definitely priority -100. But that package isn't firefox-3.0, either. So you could install a 2.x version of this package (if you can find one) and it will (presumably) depend on firefox-2. Then it should never be upgraded, because the 3.x versions will always have lower priority than the installed version (which is 100) -- derek From joelol75 at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 20:21:08 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:21:08 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C82C34.8000205@verizon.net> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Art Alexion schrieb: > > >> Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. >> >> > > ok, then you can still get Windows Refunds. For a start, see here: > > http://www.linux.com/articles/59381 > > kind regards > Eberhard > > > Just get the version with XP on it and reformat it and install Ubuntu. Thats what most people do anyway. It seems like only the crap versions of laptops come with Ubuntu preinstalled and are very expensive (Because of the crapware discounts) It's just going to prove the point that Windows Vista is selling well, Ubuntu preinstalled is a flop... Isn't this what they really want to do? If I can get a Dell with a better processor, more memory, better video card cheaper than a Dell that's stripped down with Ubuntu and costs more.... I will get the Vista/XP one and nuke it... So another preinstalled Ubuntu laptop sits collecting dust proving that linux prinstalled is a failure (since it doesn't sell) So everyone MUST be using Windows.... This is what Microsoft "wants" the vendors to "see". I'd love to know the real numbers (via Windows Update would probably be more accurate, although it still may be a dual boot Windows install thats rarely used, or in my case a Virtualbox inside linux that I keep updated just in case I need to use it (I haven't for 2 years now anyway...) So probably microsoft kicks back to Symantic, McAffee, Adobe.... whatnot to kick back to the vendors to kill the whole linux preinstalled idea... It seems to work for now. Hope the future looks brighter :) From joelol75 at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 21:25:45 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:25:45 -0400 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <48C83B59.1060900@verizon.net> Knapp wrote: >> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is >> an example of mine: >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >> Driver "fglrx" >> >> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any >> choppy video now. >> >> -- >> David M. >> > > Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? > > No, for NVIDIA cards you use something similar to: Section "Device" Identifier "nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150]" Driver "nvidia" BusID "PCI:0:5:0" EndSection But, using either fglrx or nvidia requires installing the restricted drivers, and nvidia-glx-new for anything newer than a GeForce 4, nvidia-glx for Geforce 3-Geforce 4 cards and nvidia-glx-legacy for old TNT and Riva cards to Geforce 2 cards. The BusID above may not be the same on your system. Use lspci in a terminal to find your BusID.... Or don't fill it in at all, as the newer Xorg is pretty smart about guessing... Which is why there is no driver listed and it still works.... Probably picking vesa or ati which won't allow hardware acceleration which explains the slowdown... Back to the OP: Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log It will give you much info as to what driver it did pick... The bad news will be aparent running glxinfo | grep direct Actually there's 5 drivers that you can use for your card, but only fglrx will deliver the 3d accell you need. The others that will work in my order of preference from best to worst is radeon, ati, vesa, and fbdev, but all of these are going to be slow as molasses. Just load up synaptic/adept and search ati and fglrx and install the restricted package and it should work after sticking driver "fglrx" in there... Hope this helps the jitters... From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 21:25:25 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:25:25 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <1526106.1AsITejpDp@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C5B8ED.5020905@sbcglobal.net> <200809091300.38948.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48C6AD76.3090204@gmail.com> <48C6B1B9.2080406@swbell.net> <1526106.1AsITejpDp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1221081926.28061.78.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 22:44 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > > Furthermore, against what soem people here experience, I am situated > > in germany, visited the Dell US Website, that charges dollars, not Euros. > > > > And as pointed out, I could configure and move to my cart ubuntu with > > 16GB ssd, bluetooth, vga, warranty extension, memory upgrde for $ 622 > > > > So I can only conclude that Dell offers Europeans a different US > > website that they have for Americans? Hard to believe, I think. > > Sort of... Art's talking about Business purchases. In actual fact, at the > Business part of the site, _every_ company sees a slightly different > website - and hardware available to one company may not be available to > another. I'm sure Art could go to the same site as you, but he wouldn't > get the same deal he gets for company purchases (which is sometimes no deal > at all - I've heard people complaining that the government standing offer > for monitors only allows purchasers to pay about 50% more for the monitor > than they could pay by walking into a Future Shop or Best Buy) - and they > can't have a 22" LCD at all. That's usually an indication that the company has GSA contracts, which forbid them by law to not sell lower than. Else, someone goes to crowbar hotel. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From joelol75 at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 21:30:54 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:30:54 -0400 Subject: KDE and Compiz In-Reply-To: <200809042039.39002.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> References: <200809042039.39002.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <48C83C8E.4060206@verizon.net> kevin wrote: > Dear All, > > Is it possible to use compiz on kde 3.5.9 and HH 8.04? > I have an ATI graphics card and would especially like to be able to hover my > mouse over the minimize bar at the bottom of the screen and be able to see... > Maybe... I had an ATI X1400 that wouldn't work with fiesty or gutsy (May be fixed now, but ???) It depends on the card... Some of the newer cards (Like FireGL) don't have the driver support yet... Some had success compiling their own drivers,ect... but sketchy at best. Joel. From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 21:36:00 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:36:00 -0400 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809100201h58b4d902v6ac0cd365c952805@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809100201h58b4d902v6ac0cd365c952805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221082560.28061.83.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 12:01 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/9/10 Ric Moore : > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 22:39 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: > >> I couldn't help but notice how games seemed more sluggish than usual > >> on my system > >> CPU 3.0 GHz with HT > >> RAM 1.5 GiB DDR2 > >> VGA nVidia GeForce 7300 LE 256 MiB > >> > >> games used to run blazing fast, but now, they're not > >> after watching htop for a while, i was intrigued by kget first. kget > >> runs at <90% most of the time, consuming all of the power of the first > >> CPU, then there is this other process that i couldn't get much info > >> about, called artsd .it also runs at high level, but does it for 5~10 > >> seconds at a time, and rests for another 5~10 seconds. these 2 > >> proceses are killing my system! > >> why would kget need such CPU usage? it's only a download manager! > >> > >> and what is this artsd ? > > > > It's the KDE audio system, ARTS, running as a daemon. (artsd) Ric > > > > thnx, yes, amarok is running almost all of the time, but once i start > playing i stop it. > but kget keeps running in the background though. so basically, kget is > the culprit of all this slugishness, it's really weird, what CPU > intensive operations does a download manager require? as far as i > know, download managers has always been idle processes, doing nothing > but waiting for data to be received (you know, blazing fast data > transfer, 128 kbps :P) I would hazard a guess that Kget is what's running in the background to dnload the content for Amarok. This may be worth a shot, try turning off "fade-out" in Configure Amarok / playback. That should kill kget off faster when you shut down, as it's still peddling. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From dave at thefletchers.net Wed Sep 10 22:40:29 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:40:29 +0100 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C82C34.8000205@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C82C34.8000205@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200809102340.29863.dave@thefletchers.net> On Wednesday 10 Sep 2008, Joel Oliver wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Just get the version with XP on it and reformat it and install Ubuntu. > Thats what most people do anyway. It seems like only the crap versions > of laptops come with Ubuntu preinstalled and are very expensive (Because > of the crapware discounts) > Unless you're buying in loads of units for a business, there's no need to buy ready built desktop PCs. I've been building my own for years. I prefer it that way - I can specify for myself exactly what goes in, and there's no $soft tribute to pay. This one is my best ever, in many ways. Laptops are more difficult - you can't pick your own case, motherboard, power supply etc. and put it together - they come as one unit. But there are suppliers out there who sell them without an installed OS. I'm thinking of http://www.novatech.co.uk/ in the UK. Hopefully there are similar outlets in other countries. You specify a fixed hardware configuration, then at the checkout the cheapest price is for the one without an OS, rising in a first increment of GBP58 for XP, up to GBP117 extra for Vista Ultimate. Going back to the original subject of the thread, the great thing about all these mini laptops being in the shops, is that it raises public awareness of Linux. Everybody who now enquires about one in a shop is exposed to the name, and those who take one home will hopefully start thinking "Hey this isn't half bad - I wonder how this Linux would run on my old desktop machine?" and so on. I've been saying to my friends and colleagues for years that I reckon Linux adoption is an exponential curve. And I think it's getting steeper all the time. Mini laptops with Linux can only help. Dave From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 11 01:10:37 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:10:37 -0500 Subject: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu In-Reply-To: <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <48C8700D.6030705@swbell.net> On 09/10/2008 Dexter Filmore wrote: > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask > for, > awesome! > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I > don't like > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp > clone and > got THIS. > > Thanks to Jonas Norlander for a USEFUL answer. I take it you haven't been around Linux support lists [ pick your favorite flavor ] for very long. Once a thread is started each takes on a life of their own. Only a few posts will actually be directed towards the OP. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Thu Sep 11 01:49:44 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:49:44 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <1548508.g64KkHmkfj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <48C81EB6.1090209@yahoo.com> <1548508.g64KkHmkfj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809101849.44330.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Wednesday 10 September 2008 01:01:03 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > John Hubbard wrote: > > I read the man page for ntpd and it looks like ntpd can either be a > > daemon that wakes itself up on interval and updates the time in your > > machine or actually broadcasts time to other machines. In the man page > > it notes that with the '-q' option it mimics the behavior of ntpdate, > > "which is to be retired". > > istr it's said that for years. I'll believe it when it happens. > > > I then poked around at /etc/ntp.conf and it looks like the default is to > > just listen. There was a line commented out about broadcast. > > Am I correct in believing that the default for ntpd is to just update my > > time on a regular interval and not broadcast the time to the network? > > it should be - I just hate the idea of installing a program that with one > small change by a user who doesn't know what he's doing, is going to start > broadcasting to the network. > -- > derek ~$ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* /var/log/syslog:Sep 10 18:36:22 Joseph ntpdate[8335]: ntpdate 4.2.4p4 at 1.1520-o Fri Mar 7 20:24:08 UTC 2008 (1) /var/log/syslog:Sep 10 18:36:25 Joseph ntpdate[8335]: step time server 69.36.240.252 offset 42.538743 sec Just on a whim I retried the grep command offered earlier. Judging by this I am assuming that my ntpdate is now working? Mysterious indeed.... The only thing I did that could have had any affect on this is the sudo ntpdate-debian command. I won't say it is solved until I've restarted a couple more times and grepped ntpd to see how consistant it is. Larry From godshatter at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 03:25:50 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:25:50 -0700 Subject: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu In-Reply-To: <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <48C88FBE.5050809@yahoo.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, > awesome! > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I don't like > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone and > got THIS. > > Thanks to Jonas Norlander for a USEFUL answer. > > > Imagine you're at a dinner party conversing with a small group of people. You ask your question to the group. The conversation, like you might imagine, heads in it's own direction based on the inputs of other people as well as yourself. Don't you think it would be rude, ten minutes later, to stomp your foot and berate everyone for not promptly answering your question and having the audacity to let the topic slide off of your desired topic, if only slightly? Others that might want to know about the whole spectrum of multimedia players available or the pros and cons of using Amarok might actually benefit from these discussions. I know I was happy to learn that I could run mplayer even when logged in without a gui and get music played through my speakers. If you're going to demand quick pointed answers to your questions, go pay for support. Paul From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 03:55:19 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:55:19 -0400 Subject: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu In-Reply-To: <48C88FBE.5050809@yahoo.com> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48C88FBE.5050809@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1221105319.28061.126.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 20:25 -0700, Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, > > awesome! > > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I don't like > > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone and > > got THIS. > > > > Thanks to Jonas Norlander for a USEFUL answer. > > > > > > > > Imagine you're at a dinner party conversing with a small group of > people. You ask your question to the group. The conversation, like you > might imagine, heads in it's own direction based on the inputs of other > people as well as yourself. Don't you think it would be rude, ten > minutes later, to stomp your foot and berate everyone for not promptly > answering your question and having the audacity to let the topic slide > off of your desired topic, if only slightly? > > Others that might want to know about the whole spectrum of multimedia > players available or the pros and cons of using Amarok might actually > benefit from these discussions. I know I was happy to learn that I > could run mplayer even when logged in without a gui and get music played > through my speakers. > > If you're going to demand quick pointed answers to your questions, go > pay for support. Kinda like asking seals to bark for no fish. And if you whiz on the locals, there might be no barking at all. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Thu Sep 11 04:08:07 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:08:07 -0400 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found Message-ID: Hi I'm a multiboot linux user from way back. Currently I'm running Kubuntu, Sabayon, & openSuSE linux installations on both my desktop AND my laptop. However I noticed that the kubuntu on my laptop, a Gateway (MT6451 Notebook PC) which has an AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a 120 gig HD, was still edgy, I decided to do a clean install from an 8.04.1 alt install cd. Which install worked but I'm having a slight problem with the console (I've already ran # update-rc.d -f kdm remove to get my cherished non-gui login back) startx fires up kde just like it should. But it's very annoying that console keeps getting this sequence of error messages: [ 1001.541325] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or load failed. [ 1001.541384] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware (version 4). [ 1063.140201] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or load failed. [ 1063.140263] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware (version 4). [ 1124.715360] evdev: nomore free evdev devices [ 1124.715397] input: failed to attach handler evdev to device input32, error: -23 Then the sequence repeats with higher numbers: "[ ####.######]" & "device input##," This makes it difficult to edit config files from the console... I don't know much about this except to say that this gateway laptop has some kind of fancy combination eth0/wlan0 device that I'm supposed to be able to switch with an fn key combo. I just leave wireless disabled at all times as I don't ever want my laptop to use wireless anyway, and so far most linux have defaulted to seeing it as /dev/eth0 Though there was a copy of mepis I tried once that didn't believe there was an eth0 and insisted the wlan0 wasn't working properly... All I know is since I really don't want my laptop to attempt to use this as a wireless device I'm not so sure I should be downloading such a driver anyway. And I wouldn't know what to do with said driver if I did download it anyway... Is there a way to get hardy to stop looking for a driver for a wireless device that isn't ever going to be enabled??? Otherwise would someone care to suggest where I should put the driver (and how) if I did download it??? Thanks -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Thu Sep 11 04:39:44 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:39:44 -0400 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! Message-ID: OH no!!!!! I've just installed hardy from an 8.04.1 alt install cd on a Gateway laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a 120 gig HD It installed, but there are a few problems. To me the biggest is that this laptop has one of those ^&$^&$*%^(*&(^&ing touchpad pointing devices that defaults to tapping enabled. For vista I installed synaptics just so I could disable tapping. For every linux I've ever installed on this laptop I've installed ksynaptics for the same reason. This included the edgy I just replaced with hardy... GAWD do I wish I had used apt-get to upgrade through each of the releases in between as then I might still have ksynaptics which is apparently no longer in the repositories... apt-get install ksynaptics just gets me the fact that it's not available but mentioned in another package... This happens even when I enable backports in /etc/apt/sources.list. I'm VERY dependent on disabling tapping. With tapping enabled I can't get the mouse pointer from point a to point b without having undesired click events happening to each and every object in between... And even when I'm typing on the keyboard it seems like the hairs on my wrist can apply enough force to the fscking touchpad to cause a click event when I didn't think I was touching the durned thing at all... Would someone please tell me how to disable tapping in hardy kubuntu ??? -- | | ^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ ` J(tWdy)P | ___ <> | ' ` From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 05:11:06 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:11:06 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu In-Reply-To: <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Dexter Filmore wrote: > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, > awesome! > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I don't like > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone and > got THIS. > It is called a joke in English. Anyway you are now black listed and you will NEVER get any help from me! WHAT AN ASS! I have never seen anyone on the list behave this badly before! I see you live close to me. SAD, show for Germans. Good think I know that not all Germans act like you. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 05:26:12 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:26:12 +0200 Subject: Kaffeine playback jerky In-Reply-To: <48C83B59.1060900@verizon.net> References: <48BC04AB.7050804@swbell.net> <48BC2C53.7080007@swbell.net> <200809012111.57259.d.mcglone@att.net> <48C83B59.1060900@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Joel Oliver wrote: > Knapp wrote: >>> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. Here is >>> an example of mine: >>> >>> Section "Device" >>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >>> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >>> Driver "fglrx" >>> >>> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have any >>> choppy video now. >>> >>> -- >>> David M. >>> >> >> Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? >> >> > No, for NVIDIA cards you use something similar to: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150]" > Driver "nvidia" > BusID "PCI:0:5:0" > EndSection > > But, using either fglrx or nvidia requires installing the restricted > drivers, and nvidia-glx-new for anything newer than a GeForce 4, > nvidia-glx for Geforce 3-Geforce 4 cards and nvidia-glx-legacy for old > TNT and Riva cards to Geforce 2 cards. > > The BusID above may not be the same on your system. Use lspci in a > terminal to find your BusID.... Or don't fill it in at all, as the newer > Xorg is pretty smart about guessing... Which is why there is no driver > listed and it still works.... Probably picking vesa or ati which won't > allow hardware acceleration which explains the slowdown... Thank you! Great answer. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 07:22:31 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:22:31 +1000 Subject: brother printer dcp-130c driver install for kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: Anyone, Has anybody hook up a borther printer "all in one dcp-130c" to work on there Kubuntu o/s as i have a dual boot system with windows xp pro sp3 and Kubuntu, and has always worked on my xp pro system and just recently installed the kubuntu, but no driver was regonized so I downloaded from brother solutions the driver and followed to instructions for installing I ran the install for the sane-uitils.deb and reinstall the printer.deb but now says under Documant Print status/view/show printer status in this window shows"-DCP 130c printer dcp 130c may not be connected", but is???????????????? can any one help please ray _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? 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And some mustard. :D \d From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 08:42:56 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:42:56 +0200 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080911084256.GA7819@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:39, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Would someone please tell me how to disable tapping in hardy kubuntu ??? Edit your xorg.conf and add the following options to the synaptics section, should work and disable tapping. Option “MaxTapTime” “0" Option “MaxTapMove” “0" -- Gordon. From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 08:47:56 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:47:56 +0200 Subject: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu In-Reply-To: <48C831FB.3040003@comcast.net> References: <200809092010.26949.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809101126.34968.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809102154.48702.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48C831FB.3040003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080911084756.GB7819@slug.azmolan> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:45, Ian L. Target wrote: > Listen . . . Can you hear that? > > Does anyone hear someone whining? No. Thanks 'ye gods for killfiles. -- Gordon. From abhishekrane at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:26:00 2008 From: abhishekrane at gmail.com (abhishek rane) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:56:00 +0530 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99d719740809110226o3d7d688en6752fd652223bc29@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > OH no!!!!! > > I've just installed hardy from an 8.04.1 alt install cd on a Gateway > laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a > 120 gig HD > > It installed, but there are a few problems. To me the biggest is that > this laptop has one of those ^&$^&$*%^(*&(^&ing touchpad pointing > devices that defaults to tapping enabled. For vista I installed > synaptics just so I could disable tapping. For every linux I've ever > installed on this laptop I've installed ksynaptics for the same reason. > > This included the edgy I just replaced with hardy... GAWD do I wish I > had used apt-get to upgrade through each of the releases in between > as then I might still have ksynaptics which is apparently no longer > in the repositories... > > apt-get install ksynaptics > > just gets me the fact that it's not available but mentioned in another > package... > > This happens even when I enable backports in /etc/apt/sources.list. > > I'm VERY dependent on disabling tapping. With tapping enabled I can't > get the mouse pointer from point a to point b without having undesired > click events happening to each and every object in between... > > And even when I'm typing on the keyboard it seems like the hairs on my > wrist can apply enough force to the fscking touchpad to cause a click > event when I didn't think I was touching the durned thing at all... > > Would someone please tell me how to disable tapping in hardy kubuntu ??? > > > -- > | > | ^^^ ^^^ > | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook > | ^ ` J(tWdy)P > | ___ <> > | ' ` > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Here you can find the .deb file and source http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17286 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 11 13:11:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:11:22 -0300 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found References: Message-ID: <1328317.Ij9nn7xBCZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Hi I'm a multiboot linux user from way back. Currently I'm running > Kubuntu, Sabayon, & openSuSE linux installations on both my desktop AND > my laptop. However I noticed that the kubuntu on my laptop, a Gateway > (MT6451 Notebook PC) which has an AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a > 120 gig HD, was still edgy, I decided to do a clean install from an > 8.04.1 alt install cd. Which install worked but I'm having a slight > problem with the console (I've already ran # update-rc.d -f kdm remove > to get my cherished non-gui login back) startx fires up kde just like it > should. But it's very annoying that console keeps getting this sequence > of error messages: > > > [ 1001.541325] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or > [ load failed. 1001.541384] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to > [ http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and > [ download the correct firmware (version 4). 1063.140201] b43-phy0 ERROR: > [ Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or load failed. 1063.140263] > [ b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to > [ http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and > [ download the correct firmware (version 4). 1124.715360] evdev: nomore > [ free evdev devices 1124.715397] input: failed to attach handler evdev to > [ device input32, error: -23 > > Then the sequence repeats with higher numbers: > > "[ ####.######]" & "device input##," > > This makes it difficult to edit config files from the console... Sorry, but if you want to use the system in decidedly non-standard ways, and don't understand how to keep your login console separate from the system console, I can't say I have a whole lot of sympathy. However, if you just want to stop the wireless messages you have two options: do what it says, and get the up-to-date firmware (which ubuntu doesn't distribute because it's not Free) - from the URL it points you to, which has full instructions; or just blacklist b43 and b43legacy in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (or any other file in that directory) -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 13:17:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:17:22 +0300 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high In-Reply-To: <1221082560.28061.83.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809100201h58b4d902v6ac0cd365c952805@mail.gmail.com> <1221082560.28061.83.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40809110617o6412b579h558ad726037b72c3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/11 Ric Moore : > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 12:01 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: >> 2008/9/10 Ric Moore : >> > >> > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 22:39 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: >> >> I couldn't help but notice how games seemed more sluggish than usual >> >> on my system >> >> CPU 3.0 GHz with HT >> >> RAM 1.5 GiB DDR2 >> >> VGA nVidia GeForce 7300 LE 256 MiB >> >> >> >> games used to run blazing fast, but now, they're not >> >> after watching htop for a while, i was intrigued by kget first. kget >> >> runs at <90% most of the time, consuming all of the power of the first >> >> CPU, then there is this other process that i couldn't get much info >> >> about, called artsd .it also runs at high level, but does it for 5~10 >> >> seconds at a time, and rests for another 5~10 seconds. these 2 >> >> proceses are killing my system! >> >> why would kget need such CPU usage? it's only a download manager! >> >> >> >> and what is this artsd ? >> > >> > It's the KDE audio system, ARTS, running as a daemon. (artsd) Ric >> > >> >> thnx, yes, amarok is running almost all of the time, but once i start >> playing i stop it. >> but kget keeps running in the background though. so basically, kget is >> the culprit of all this slugishness, it's really weird, what CPU >> intensive operations does a download manager require? as far as i >> know, download managers has always been idle processes, doing nothing >> but waiting for data to be received (you know, blazing fast data >> transfer, 128 kbps :P) > > I would hazard a guess that Kget is what's running in the background to > dnload the content for Amarok. > > This may be worth a shot, try turning off "fade-out" in Configure > Amarok / playback. That should kill kget off faster when you shut down, > as it's still peddling. Ric > maybe you misunderstood, they both use high resources, but kget got nothing to do with amarok, all my music files are local on the HD, and kget's only job now is downloading intrepid alpha5, and it consumes a hell lot of CPU while downloading, the moment i pause the download, it's CPU usage drops to nil. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 13:25:37 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:25:37 +0200 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found In-Reply-To: <1328317.Ij9nn7xBCZ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1328317.Ij9nn7xBCZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > >> Hi I'm a multiboot linux user from way back. Currently I'm running >> Kubuntu, Sabayon, & openSuSE linux installations on both my desktop AND >> my laptop. However I noticed that the kubuntu on my laptop, a Gateway >> (MT6451 Notebook PC) which has an AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a >> 120 gig HD, was still edgy, I decided to do a clean install from an >> 8.04.1 alt install cd. Which install worked but I'm having a slight >> problem with the console (I've already ran # update-rc.d -f kdm remove >> to get my cherished non-gui login back) startx fires up kde just like it >> should. But it's very annoying that console keeps getting this sequence >> of error messages: >> >> >> [ 1001.541325] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or >> [ load failed. 1001.541384] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to >> [ http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and >> [ download the correct firmware (version 4). 1063.140201] b43-phy0 ERROR: >> [ Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or load failed. 1063.140263] >> [ b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to >> [ http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and >> [ download the correct firmware (version 4). 1124.715360] evdev: nomore >> [ free evdev devices 1124.715397] input: failed to attach handler evdev to >> [ device input32, error: -23 >> >> Then the sequence repeats with higher numbers: >> >> "[ ####.######]" & "device input##," >> >> This makes it difficult to edit config files from the console... > > Sorry, but if you want to use the system in decidedly non-standard ways, and > don't understand how to keep your login console separate from the system > console, I can't say I have a whole lot of sympathy. A lack of sympathy often reflexes a genetic variation that you inherited. People with this variation often have trouble keeping sexual partners and tend to fail at marriages. Joke right? :-) Really though, have you never gotten in over your head while learning a new system? > However, if you just want to stop the wireless messages you have two > options: do what it says, and get the up-to-date firmware (which ubuntu > doesn't distribute because it's not Free) - from the URL it points you to, > which has full instructions; or just blacklist b43 and b43legacy > in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (or any other file in that directory) > -- > derek -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Sep 11 13:26:24 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:26:24 +0200 Subject: Network says "online", no surf In-Reply-To: <48C76375.6000202@cfl.rr.com> References: <48C76375.6000202@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: tom bell schrieb: > I had a problem I have seen mentioned in this list. I was able to get > "Wifi Radar" to connect to my home wireless router (protected) but could > not get Firefox to surf. It kept saying I had no network connection. > Needless to say, this drove me crazy!!! > I finally found a solution. > I opened FF (3.0, by the way) and under the EDIT menu I clicked on > Preferences > I then clicked on the tab ADVANCED. > On the advanced page appeared several more tabs. > I clicked on the NETWORK tab. > On that page I clicked on the SETTINGS button over to the right. > On that page was a list of selections, the second of which was > "Auto-detect proxy settings for this network". > I clicked (for our British cousins, ticked) that one and closed everything. > I was then able to surf. So, imho that means, that the device, which you call a router, in fact works and acts as a proxy server. Funny that this was not detected or mentioned earlier. ;-) Kind regards Eberhard From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 11 13:19:44 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:19:44 -0300 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! References: Message-ID: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > OH no!!!!! > > I've just installed hardy from an 8.04.1 alt install cd on a Gateway > laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a > 120 gig HD > > It installed, but there are a few problems. To me the biggest is that > this laptop has one of those ^&$^&$*%^(*&(^&ing touchpad pointing > devices that defaults to tapping enabled. For vista I installed > synaptics just so I could disable tapping. For every linux I've ever > installed on this laptop I've installed ksynaptics for the same reason. > > This included the edgy I just replaced with hardy... GAWD do I wish I > had used apt-get to upgrade through each of the releases in between > as then I might still have ksynaptics which is apparently no longer > in the repositories... > > apt-get install ksynaptics You're right. ime, it never did a darn thing anyway. Both the synaptics and alps touchpads I've used basically automatically tap whether tapping is on or off or I'm even near the touchpad. But thanks for your question, because this has been driving me batty, recently, and I've just realized it's because setting up multiple displays in Xorg.conf has regressed my touchpad fix. Add to the xorg.conf "InputDevice" section for your touchpad: Option "MaxTapTime" "0" I think that will do what you want - I know it will fix _my_ situation! > And even when I'm typing on the keyboard it seems like the hairs on my > wrist can apply enough force to the fscking touchpad to cause a click > event when I didn't think I was touching the durned thing at all... Oh! That's what it is. Time to shave my wrists :-) If you really want ksynaptics and can't just find a deb, I'll email you the latest one that was in Ubuntu, as I do still have it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 11 14:12:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:12:45 -0300 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found References: <1328317.Ij9nn7xBCZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1678888.ULAJDaAJem@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Sorry, but if you want to use the system in decidedly non-standard ways, >> and don't understand how to keep your login console separate from the >> system console, I can't say I have a whole lot of sympathy. > > A lack of sympathy often reflexes a genetic variation that you > inherited. People with this variation often have trouble keeping > sexual partners and tend to fail at marriages. > Joke right? :-) Well, I never had trouble _keeping_ partners, it was getting them... But I've been married for almost 22 years, thanks :-) > Really though, have you never gotten in over your head while learning > a new system? Absolutely, but this isn't someone learning a new system - it certainly smacks of someone coercing Ubuntu into a very _old_ form. Starting X from your console using startx went out of fashion about a decade ago. Ubuntu isn't intended to have X started out of somebody's console, so I just don't like to see people complaining about getting console messages on a terminal that Ubuntu wouldn't have used. If he'd been using Ubuntu as it was intended, he wouldn't have had an issue (and probably would never even have noticed) -- derek From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Thu Sep 11 15:24:04 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:24:04 +0100 Subject: Wi-Fi Problem on Hi-Grade laptop Message-ID: <20080911162404.33399425@graham-desktop> Thanks to all those who have trying to help me. Thanks in particular to Derek Broughton who pointed out that I was using a non-officiat version of Kubuntu which had been "passed down" to me from a friend who used Antix (the cut down version of simplyMEPIS) and had formatted the hard disk and installed Kubuntu 8.04 with "a few other packages". So I apologise. Its not completely finished, but I'm almost there... -- Graham Todd From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Thu Sep 11 15:51:24 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:51:24 +0100 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809111651.24789.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 10 September 2008 15:34:11 Derek Broughton wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Wednesday 10 September 2008 03:27:51 Larry Hartman wrote: > >> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 07:03:11 am Mark Fraser wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:33:33 Larry Hartman wrote: > >> > > On Monday 08 September 2008 08:00:29 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > > > So look at the logs: > >> > > > $ grep ntpd /var/log/syslog* > >> > > > >> > > absolutely nothing....this is plenty curious. > >> > > >> > I'm getting nothing here too. Manually doing a sudo ntpdate-debian > >> > works: > >> > > >> > 9 Sep 14:47:58 ntpdate[32107]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset > >> > -2.149841 sec > >> > >> Only one question, does this tell me when the time server was last > >> polled by my computer, or does it actually poll and adjust my current > >> time? > > > > It polls and adjusts your current time. I'm sure there must be some way > > of getting to update upon boot. > > Do you have /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate? > > If not, you should, because it is part of the ntpdate package. If you do, > what happens if you disconnect from and reconnect to the network? It's > possible that that runs before you can actually get to a time server (I've > seen that) but even so, it should give a message. Yes, I do have /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate #!/bin/sh ( if [ -r /lib/udev/hotplug.functions ]; then . /lib/udev/hotplug.functions wait_for_file /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian fi if [ ! -x /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian ]; then exit 0 fi if [ "$METHOD" = loopback ]; then exit 0 fi # This is a heuristic: The idea is that if a static interface is brought # up, that is a major event, and we can put in some extra effort to fix # the system time. Feel free to change this, especially if you regularly # bring up new network interfaces. if [ "$METHOD" = static ]; then OPTS="-b" fi invoke-rc.d --quiet ntp stop || true /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian -s $OPTS 2>/dev/null invoke-rc.d --quiet ntp start || true ) & Still doesn't seem to be running. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From blandyb at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 16:23:38 2008 From: blandyb at gmail.com (BLANDY ALLRED) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:23:38 -0700 Subject: brother printer dcp-130c driver install for kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:43 AM, wrote: > Send kubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kubuntu-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu > (Paul Rumelhart) > 2. Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu (Ric Moore) > 3. b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found > (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) > 4. hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics > $#&^%#&^! (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) > 5. Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu (Knapp) > 6. Re: Kaffeine playback jerky (Knapp) > 7. brother printer dcp-130c driver install for kubuntu 8.04 > (Ray Burke) > 8. Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu (Donn) > 9. Re: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics > $#&^%#&^! (Gordon Schulz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:25:50 -0700 > From: Paul Rumelhart > Subject: Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <48C88FBE.5050809 at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, > > awesome! > > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I don't > like > > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone > and > > got THIS. > > > > Thanks to Jonas Norlander for a USEFUL answer. > > > > > > > > Imagine you're at a dinner party conversing with a small group of > people. You ask your question to the group. The conversation, like you > might imagine, heads in it's own direction based on the inputs of other > people as well as yourself. Don't you think it would be rude, ten > minutes later, to stomp your foot and berate everyone for not promptly > answering your question and having the audacity to let the topic slide > off of your desired topic, if only slightly? > > Others that might want to know about the whole spectrum of multimedia > players available or the pros and cons of using Amarok might actually > benefit from these discussions. I know I was happy to learn that I > could run mplayer even when logged in without a gui and get music played > through my speakers. > > If you're going to demand quick pointed answers to your questions, go > pay for support. > > Paul > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:55:19 -0400 > From: Ric Moore > Subject: Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <1221105319.28061.126.camel at iam.wayward4now.net> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 20:25 -0700, Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, > > > awesome! > > > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I > don't like > > > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone > and > > > got THIS. > > > > > > Thanks to Jonas Norlander for a USEFUL answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine you're at a dinner party conversing with a small group of > > people. You ask your question to the group. The conversation, like you > > might imagine, heads in it's own direction based on the inputs of other > > people as well as yourself. Don't you think it would be rude, ten > > minutes later, to stomp your foot and berate everyone for not promptly > > answering your question and having the audacity to let the topic slide > > off of your desired topic, if only slightly? > > > > Others that might want to know about the whole spectrum of multimedia > > players available or the pros and cons of using Amarok might actually > > benefit from these discussions. I know I was happy to learn that I > > could run mplayer even when logged in without a gui and get music played > > through my speakers. > > > > If you're going to demand quick pointed answers to your questions, go > > pay for support. > > Kinda like asking seals to bark for no fish. And if you whiz on the > locals, there might be no barking at all. Ric > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: > "There are two Great Sins in the world... > ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. > Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ > https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ > Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:08:07 -0400 > From: "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" > Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi I'm a multiboot linux user from way back. Currently I'm running > Kubuntu, Sabayon, & openSuSE linux installations on both my desktop AND > my laptop. However I noticed that the kubuntu on my laptop, a Gateway > (MT6451 Notebook PC) which has an AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a > 120 gig HD, was still edgy, I decided to do a clean install from an > 8.04.1 alt install cd. Which install worked but I'm having a slight > problem with the console (I've already ran # update-rc.d -f kdm remove > to get my cherished non-gui login back) startx fires up kde just like it > should. But it's very annoying that console keeps getting this sequence > of error messages: > > > [ 1001.541325] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or > load failed. > [ 1001.541384] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to > http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download > the correct firmware (version 4). > [ 1063.140201] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or > load failed. > [ 1063.140263] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to > http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download > the correct firmware (version 4). > [ 1124.715360] evdev: nomore free evdev devices > [ 1124.715397] input: failed to attach handler evdev to device input32, > error: -23 > > Then the sequence repeats with higher numbers: > > "[ ####.######]" & "device input##," > > This makes it difficult to edit config files from the console... > > I don't know much about this except to say that this gateway laptop has > some kind of fancy combination eth0/wlan0 device that I'm supposed to be > able to switch with an fn key combo. I just leave wireless disabled at > all times as I don't ever want my laptop to use wireless anyway, and so > far most linux have defaulted to seeing it as /dev/eth0 Though there was > a copy of mepis I tried once that didn't believe there was an eth0 and > insisted the wlan0 wasn't working properly... > > All I know is since I really don't want my laptop to attempt to use this > as a wireless device I'm not so sure I should be downloading such a > driver anyway. And I wouldn't know what to do with said driver if I did > download it anyway... > > Is there a way to get hardy to stop looking for a driver for a wireless > device that isn't ever going to be enabled??? > > Otherwise would someone care to suggest where I should put the > driver (and how) if I did download it??? > > Thanks > > -- > | ~^~ ~^~ > | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook > | ^ J(tWdy)P > | \___/ <> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:39:44 -0400 > From: "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" > Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics > $#&^%#&^! > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > OH no!!!!! > > I've just installed hardy from an 8.04.1 alt install cd on a Gateway > laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a > 120 gig HD > > It installed, but there are a few problems. To me the biggest is that > this laptop has one of those ^&$^&$*%^(*&(^&ing touchpad pointing > devices that defaults to tapping enabled. For vista I installed > synaptics just so I could disable tapping. For every linux I've ever > installed on this laptop I've installed ksynaptics for the same reason. > > This included the edgy I just replaced with hardy... GAWD do I wish I > had used apt-get to upgrade through each of the releases in between > as then I might still have ksynaptics which is apparently no longer > in the repositories... > > apt-get install ksynaptics > > just gets me the fact that it's not available but mentioned in another > package... > > This happens even when I enable backports in /etc/apt/sources.list. > > I'm VERY dependent on disabling tapping. With tapping enabled I can't > get the mouse pointer from point a to point b without having undesired > click events happening to each and every object in between... > > And even when I'm typing on the keyboard it seems like the hairs on my > wrist can apply enough force to the fscking touchpad to cause a click > event when I didn't think I was touching the durned thing at all... > > Would someone please tell me how to disable tapping in hardy kubuntu ??? > > > -- > | > | ^^^ ^^^ > | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook > | ^ ` J(tWdy)P > | ___ <> > | ' ` > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:11:06 +0200 > From: Knapp > Subject: Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Dexter Filmore > wrote: > > Yeah, great, thanks, eleven replies full of bullshit I didn't ask for, > > awesome! > > I don't give a damn if you like Amarok, I don't wanna explain why I don't > like > > it, I give a RAT about how much RAM costs - I asked for a WinAmp clone > and > > got THIS. > > > It is called a joke in English. Anyway you are now black listed and > you will NEVER get any help from me! WHAT AN ASS! I have never seen > anyone on the list behave this badly before! I see you live close to > me. SAD, show for Germans. Good think I know that not all Germans act > like you. > > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:26:12 +0200 > From: Knapp > Subject: Re: Kaffeine playback jerky > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Joel Oliver > wrote: > > Knapp wrote: > >>> Here Billie, Add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" to your xorg.conf file. > Here is > >>> an example of mine: > >>> > >>> Section "Device" > >>> Identifier "Configured Video Device" > >>> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > >>> Driver "fglrx" > >>> > >>> Then restart your X server or reboot your computer. You shouldn't have > any > >>> choppy video now. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> David M. > >>> > >> > >> Would this work with Nvidia too? What does it do? > >> > >> > > No, for NVIDIA cards you use something similar to: > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150]" > > Driver "nvidia" > > BusID "PCI:0:5:0" > > EndSection > > > > But, using either fglrx or nvidia requires installing the restricted > > drivers, and nvidia-glx-new for anything newer than a GeForce 4, > > nvidia-glx for Geforce 3-Geforce 4 cards and nvidia-glx-legacy for old > > TNT and Riva cards to Geforce 2 cards. > > > > The BusID above may not be the same on your system. Use lspci in a > > terminal to find your BusID.... Or don't fill it in at all, as the newer > > Xorg is pretty smart about guessing... Which is why there is no driver > > listed and it still works.... Probably picking vesa or ati which won't > > allow hardware acceleration which explains the slowdown... > > Thank you! Great answer. > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:22:31 +1000 > From: Ray Burke > Subject: brother printer dcp-130c driver install for kubuntu 8.04 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Anyone, > > > >Has anybody hook up a borther printer "all in one dcp-130c" to work on > there Kubuntu o/s > >as i have a dual boot system with windows xp pro sp3 and Kubuntu, and has > always worked > >on my xp pro system and just recently installed the kubuntu, but no driver > was regonized > >so I downloaded from brother solutions the driver and followed to > instructions for installing > > >I ran the install for the sane-uitils.deb and reinstall the printer.deb > but now says under Documant Print status/view/show printer status in this > window shows"-DCP 130c printer dcp >130c may not be connected", but > is???????????????? > > > >can any one help please > > > >ray > Hi Yes I have a Brother MFC-440CN witch works great go to http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html and down load the drivers you will need the LPR and Cupswrapper drivers, they also have install instructions install the LPR driver first here is a link to instructions http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install6.html Thanks Blandy > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre > > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080911/69d677af/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:53:14 +0200 > From: Donn > Subject: Re: what happened to beep media player? - kub00ntu > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <200809111053.14294.donn.ingle at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > :O > > I thought there were lots of great suggestions. And a bit of fun too. > > Go have a beer. And a sausage. And some mustard. > :D > > \d > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:42:56 +0200 > From: Gordon Schulz > Subject: Re: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics > $#&^%#&^! > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <20080911084256.GA7819 at slug.azmolan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:39, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > Would someone please tell me how to disable tapping in hardy kubuntu ??? > Edit your xorg.conf and add the following options to the synaptics > section, should work and disable tapping. > > Option ?MaxTapTime? ?0" > Option ?MaxTapMove? ?0" > > -- > Gordon. > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > End of kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 44, Issue 60 > ********************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 16:33:35 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:33:35 -0400 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809110617o6412b579h558ad726037b72c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809100201h58b4d902v6ac0cd365c952805@mail.gmail.com> <1221082560.28061.83.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809110617o6412b579h558ad726037b72c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221150815.28061.189.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:17 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: > maybe you misunderstood, they both use high resources, but kget got > nothing to do with amarok, all my music files are local on the HD, and > kget's only job now is downloading intrepid alpha5, and it consumes a > hell lot of CPU while downloading, the moment i pause the download, > it's CPU usage drops to nil. Sorry WIlly, I thought you were streaming from the net-radio stations. That has become a favorite of mine. Amarok will still do some net stuff, even just playing local files. Go through the config and see if any of them are turned on and turn them off. Look for CDDB entries. Maybe they aren't resolving and the system slows WAY down?? I take it you're not streaming. I'd kill off anything that suggests a web connect. I hope something gives you relief! Do you have browser set to Firefox?? Whatever fixes this will be from out in left-field, no doubt! Trouble shooting with a shotgun, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Sep 11 16:39:48 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:39:48 +0200 Subject: CPU resources weirdly high In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809110617o6412b579h558ad726037b72c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40809091239x2da1150eqc95857421e3a8f07@mail.gmail.com> <1221011582.27207.20.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809100201h58b4d902v6ac0cd365c952805@mail.gmail.com> <1221082560.28061.83.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <15edeae40809110617o6412b579h558ad726037b72c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Willy Hamra schrieb: > maybe you misunderstood, they both use high resources, but kget got > nothing to do with amarok, all my music files are local on the HD, and > kget's only job now is downloading intrepid alpha5, and it consumes a > hell lot of CPU while downloading, the moment i pause the download, > it's CPU usage drops to nil. > you could consider to simply remove kget and then use something from here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-download-managers-available-in-ubuntu.html kind regards Eberhard From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 16:47:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:47:33 +0300 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu Message-ID: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> How can the user can configure the appearance of the GTK applications in Kubuntu? I do not have Gnome installed, though I suspect that in Gnome there would be a System Settings application to configure GTK appearance. Is there a text file that I can edit, or a GTK-appearance application that I can install? Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 11 16:51:05 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:51:05 -0500 Subject: Probably a stupid question Message-ID: <48C94C79.2000903@swbell.net> I need to install drivers for a Holux GPS Receiver puck. I have the Linux drivers for it but I'm so ignorant of CLI that I don't know how to install them. The drivers come with a make file [ makefile ] and what I suppose are the actual drivers. I Googled for "make" and found lots of stuff about how to make a "makefile" but nothing on how to make it do it's thing. Kubuntu 8.01 X86-64 Could someone give some simple command to make it work? Please! -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From paul at lemmons.name Thu Sep 11 17:07:21 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:07:21 -0700 Subject: Probably a stupid question In-Reply-To: <48C94C79.2000903@swbell.net> References: <48C94C79.2000903@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48C95049.3090607@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Probably a stupid question From: Billie Walsh To: Kubuntu-Users Date: 09/11/2008 09:51 AM > I need to install drivers for a Holux GPS Receiver puck. I have the > Linux drivers for it but I'm so ignorant of CLI that I don't know how to > install them. The drivers come with a make file [ makefile ] and what I > suppose are the actual drivers. I Googled for "make" and found lots of > stuff about how to make a "makefile" but nothing on how to make it do > it's thing. > > Kubuntu 8.01 X86-64 > > Could someone give some simple command to make it work? Please! > > The question is only stupid if you ask it twice :) I am going to assume from your note that you can get to a command line and that you have the files in a directory and that you can see the "makefile" when you type "ls". If that is so, simply type "make" and it will read the makefile and compile your program. Some other information that may or may not apply: Often times there is also a "configure" file in the directory. If you see one type "./configure" before your un the make command. This will go out and look at your machine and write the makefile so that it will work properly for your setup. Also the make command can take arguments. The make command by itself will compile your driver but, mostlikely, will not put it where it goes. Many times you have to follow the "make" command with a "sudo make install" command to actually install the program. Sometimes you can also do a "make test" or "make check" to test out the program to see if it works. This will probably not be the case for a driver. Lastly there is a convention of putting a file called README and/or INSTALL in the directory. These are almost always useful to read. You will see a lot of "sometimes", "often times" and "can" in my instructions above. That is because every programmer/packager hasthe option to do things any way they want to. The instructions above reflect what most developers do. Hope this helps. Good luck! -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Andrew From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 11 17:37:30 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:37:30 -0500 Subject: Probably a stupid question In-Reply-To: <48C95049.3090607@lemmons.name> References: <48C94C79.2000903@swbell.net> <48C95049.3090607@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48C9575A.3050605@swbell.net> Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Probably a stupid question > From: Billie Walsh > To: Kubuntu-Users > Date: 09/11/2008 09:51 AM >> I need to install drivers for a Holux GPS Receiver puck. I have the >> Linux drivers for it but I'm so ignorant of CLI that I don't know how >> to install them. The drivers come with a make file [ makefile ] and >> what I suppose are the actual drivers. I Googled for "make" and found >> lots of stuff about how to make a "makefile" but nothing on how to >> make it do it's thing. >> >> Kubuntu 8.01 X86-64 >> >> Could someone give some simple command to make it work? Please! >> >> > The question is only stupid if you ask it twice :) > > I am going to assume from your note that you can get to a command line > and that you have the files in a directory and that you can see the > "makefile" when you type "ls". If that is so, simply type "make" and > it will read the makefile and compile your program. > > Some other information that may or may not apply: > > Often times there is also a "configure" file in the directory. If you > see one type "./configure" before your un the make command. This will > go out and look at your machine and write the makefile so that it will > work properly for your setup. > > Also the make command can take arguments. The make command by itself > will compile your driver but, mostlikely, will not put it where it > goes. Many times you have to follow the "make" command with a "sudo > make install" command to actually install the program. > > Sometimes you can also do a "make test" or "make check" to test out > the program to see if it works. This will probably not be the case for > a driver. > > Lastly there is a convention of putting a file called README and/or > INSTALL in the directory. These are almost always useful to read. > > You will see a lot of "sometimes", "often times" and "can" in my > instructions above. That is because every programmer/packager hasthe > option to do things any way they want to. The instructions above > reflect what most developers do. > > Hope this helps. Good luck! > Thank you. I was trying to make it more complicated than necessary. The simplest solution is usually overlooked. *<]:oD -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 11 17:48:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:48:36 -0300 Subject: Probably a stupid question References: <48C94C79.2000903@swbell.net> <200809111314.04804.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1341334.pYZysPAz4z@cedar.serverforest.com> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Thursday 11 September 2008 12:51:05 pm Billie Walsh wrote: >> Could someone give some simple command to make it work? Please! First - "aptitude install build-essential" > Put the files in some directory somewhere (probably in your home folder). > cd /some/directory/somewhere Probably best to use /usr/src/ (it's a long time since I did this but I'm fairly sure that matters for drivers because it looks for headers in the same place - so also make sure you have headers for your current system in /usr/src/linux-headers* - you may need to install the linux-headers package) > ./configure (might not be needed) > sudo make && make install make && sudo make install It's only strictly the install step that needs to be sudoed, and the way you have it, it won't be. > > That's the general idea. You might get some errors about unresolved > dependencies -- just post back here and we can figure it out. Generally make will tell you it's checking for all the things you need, so when it tells you it's missing "XYZ" or "libXYZ", you need to install libXYZ-dev (always the -dev version - again, to get the relevant headers). -- derek From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Sep 11 19:13:39 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:13:39 +0300 Subject: Multivalent Message-ID: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: tool.pdf.Compress at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:323) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:268) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:336) Could not find the main class: tool.pdf.Compress. Program will exit. I tried the following (according the the Multivalent website): Tools all live in the file Multivalent.jar, and that file is made visible to Java by adding its path to your CLASSPATH environment variable. For example, for UNIX (including Mac OS X and Linux), depending on your shell, setenv CLASSPATH $CLASSPATH:/path/to/Multivalent.jar or export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/path/to/Multivalent.jar. But I get error messages trying to run the above: nigel at laptop:~$ sudo setenv CLASSPATH $CLASSPATH:/home/nigel/Downloads/Multivalent/Multivalent.jar sudo: setenv: command not found nigel at laptop:~$ sudo export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/home/nigel/Downloads/Multivalent/Multivalent.jar sudo: export: command not found They also suggest: Alternatively, you can set the classpath explicitly as an option, as in java -classpath /path/to/Multivalent.jar tool.XXX [options] files but I don't understand the '[options] files' part. How can I set the classpath so as to get multivalent to run? Yes I have enabled the 'executable' option under 'Permissions' on the actual Multivalent.jar file. Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 19:31:46 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:31:46 -0400 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1221161506.28061.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:13 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: > nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress First off, typing "which java" will/should return to you the version of java that the machine sees as installed. Whatcha got as a result?? (checking for paths here) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Sep 11 19:35:58 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:35:58 +0300 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <1221161506.28061.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> <1221161506.28061.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48C9731E.7040109@rmk.co.il> Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:13 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: >> nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf >> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress > > First off, typing "which java" will/should return to you the version of > java that the machine sees as installed. Whatcha got as a result?? > (checking for paths here) Ric > /usr/bin/java Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Sep 11 19:51:27 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:51:27 +0100 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <48C976BF.9000303@yahoo.it> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: > nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress > Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: tool.pdf.Compress > at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217) > at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) > at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205) > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:323) > at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294) > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:268) > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:336) > Could not find the main class: tool.pdf.Compress. Program will exit. > > I tried the following (according the the Multivalent website): > Tools all live in the file Multivalent.jar, and that file is made visible to Java by adding its > path to your CLASSPATH environment variable. For example, for UNIX (including Mac OS X and > Linux), depending on your shell, setenv CLASSPATH $CLASSPATH:/path/to/Multivalent.jar or export > CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/path/to/Multivalent.jar. > > But I get error messages trying to run the above: > nigel at laptop:~$ sudo setenv CLASSPATH $CLASSPATH:/home/nigel/Downloads/Multivalent/Multivalent.jar > sudo: setenv: command not found > nigel at laptop:~$ sudo export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/home/nigel/Downloads/Multivalent/Multivalent.jar > sudo: export: command not found > > They also suggest: > Alternatively, you can set the classpath explicitly as an option, as in > java -classpath /path/to/Multivalent.jar tool.XXX [options] files > but I don't understand the '[options] files' part. [options] are the options for the java program. In your case, -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf, as in your original command line > > How can I set the classpath so as to get multivalent to run? I have used export in script files, e.g. .bashrc > Yes I have enabled the 'executable' option under 'Permissions' on the actual Multivalent.jar file. Should not be needed. HTH, I. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Sep 11 19:53:55 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:53:55 +0100 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <48C9731E.7040109@rmk.co.il> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> <1221161506.28061.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C9731E.7040109@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <48C97753.60008@yahoo.it> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:13 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: >>> nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf >>> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress >> First off, typing "which java" will/should return to you the version of >> java that the machine sees as installed. Whatcha got as a result?? >> (checking for paths here) Ric >> > /usr/bin/java > > Nigel > to know the specific java version, either type java -version or check your package manager for which java package is installed; /usr/bin/java is the common symbolic link that will be there for any version. HTH, I. From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Sep 11 20:16:00 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:16:00 +0300 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <48C97753.60008@yahoo.it> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> <1221161506.28061.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C9731E.7040109@rmk.co.il> <48C97753.60008@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48C97C80.20307@rmk.co.il> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Ric Moore wrote: >>> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:13 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>> I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: >>>> nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf >>>> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress >>> First off, typing "which java" will/should return to you the version of >>> java that the machine sees as installed. Whatcha got as a result?? >>> (checking for paths here) Ric >>> >> /usr/bin/java >> >> Nigel >> > > to know the specific java version, either type > java -version > or check your package manager for which java package is installed; > /usr/bin/java is the common symbolic link that will be there for any > version. > HTH, > I. > > nigel at laptop:~$ java -version java version "1.6.0_0" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b11) OpenJDK Server VM (build 1.6.0_0-b11, mixed mode) nigel at laptop:~$ Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From zabbarob at googlemail.com Thu Sep 11 20:47:35 2008 From: zabbarob at googlemail.com (Robert Costa) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:47:35 +0200 Subject: audiocd:/ kioslave and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <5b2fd9c60809101113he053a8egedc8140ba4a0a582@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2fd9c60807311516i61cb58a6n2500e3dbc02b4d77@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80807311548l1b238c18u8943748a38576e51@mail.gmail.com> <5b2fd9c60809101113he053a8egedc8140ba4a0a582@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a131af80809111347o6c49c9bq43a18d44b40834c9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/10 Manuel McLure : > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Robert Costa wrote: >> 2008/8/1 Manuel McLure : >>> Has anyone had success using the audiocd:/ kioslave on KDE 4.1? When I >>> use it, I see the tracks of the CD in the root directory as .wav >>> files, and I see Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, MP3 and other subdirectories, but >>> if I open one of the subdirectories (except for Full Disc) it's empty. >>> Amarok (using the 3.5 kioslave) sees the MP3/Ogg files just fine. Just >>> wondering if I'm missing something obvious, or if I should report this >>> as a bug. This works fine on 3.5. >> >> You're not alone. I get the same behavior here. Typing "audiocd:/" >> into Dolphin's location text field gives me some directories without >> entries and the wav files in the main dir. The subdirs are: > > The good news is that this seems to be fixed in KDE 4.1.1. I've ripped > a CD or two already using Dolphin on 4.1.1. Acknowledged! CD ripping with audiocd:/ kioslave is working here too. But I've got another problem now: while the file name is set correctly, ID3 tags / metadata is not. Each file has the song title of it's successor. e.g.: The files are named: Ministry [2006] Rio Grande Blood [01] Rio Grande Blood.mp3 Ministry [2006] Rio Grande Blood [02] Senor Peligro.mp3 Ministry [2006] Rio Grande Blood [03] Gangreen.mp3 And the ID3 tags show these song titles: Track 1: Senor Peligro Track 2: Gangreen Track 3: Fear (Is Big Business) and so on... When I use the KDE3.5 audiocd kioslave the song titles are set correctly. Can it be a settings problem on my system or does someone else experience the same effect? Cya, Robert. > -- > Manuel A. McLure WW1FA > ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, > no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. From zabbarob at googlemail.com Thu Sep 11 21:21:52 2008 From: zabbarob at googlemail.com (Robert Costa) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:21:52 +0200 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/11 Dotan Cohen : > How can the user can configure the appearance of the GTK applications > in Kubuntu? I do not have Gnome installed, though I suspect that in > Gnome there would be a System Settings application to configure GTK > appearance. Is there a text file that I can edit, or a GTK-appearance > application that I can install? Maybe the package gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is what you're searching for? There's something similar for KDE3, too. I just can't find the package right now :-) BTW Firefox looks a bit "crappy" with gtk-qt-engine-kde4 installed. Dunno if it's a bug or maybe something's set incorrectly here. It's like just the upper half of buttons or checkboxes are drawn or they get only drawn when I move the mouse over it. Cya, Robert. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. From manuel at mclure.org Thu Sep 11 21:34:49 2008 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:34:49 -0700 Subject: audiocd:/ kioslave and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <2a131af80809111347o6c49c9bq43a18d44b40834c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2fd9c60807311516i61cb58a6n2500e3dbc02b4d77@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80807311548l1b238c18u8943748a38576e51@mail.gmail.com> <5b2fd9c60809101113he053a8egedc8140ba4a0a582@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80809111347o6c49c9bq43a18d44b40834c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b2fd9c60809111434p283577bw2d25345b9fa33266@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Robert Costa wrote: > But I've got another problem now: while the file name is set > correctly, ID3 tags / metadata is not. Each file has the song title of > it's successor. e.g.: Now that you mention it, I saw the same problem. I though it was a problem with Amarok (since that's where I noticed it) but now I know it's an audiocd:/ bug. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Sep 11 21:55:32 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:55:32 +0100 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <48C82C34.8000205@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <48C82C34.8000205@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200809112255.32548.dave@thefletchers.net> On Wednesday 10 Sep 2008, Joel Oliver wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Art Alexion schrieb: > > > > > >> Dell will not sell us the 16 GB drive with Ubuntu -- only with Windows. > >> > >> > > > > ok, then you can still get Windows Refunds. For a start, see here: > > > > http://www.linux.com/articles/59381 > > > > kind regards > > Eberhard > > > > > > > Just get the version with XP on it and reformat it and install Ubuntu. > Thats what most people do anyway. It seems like only the crap versions > of laptops come with Ubuntu preinstalled and are very expensive (Because > of the crapware discounts) > > It's just going to prove the point that Windows Vista is selling well, > Ubuntu preinstalled is a flop... Isn't this what they really want to > do? If I can get a Dell with a better processor, more memory, better > video card cheaper than a Dell that's stripped down with Ubuntu and > costs more.... I will get the Vista/XP one and nuke it... So another > preinstalled Ubuntu laptop sits collecting dust proving that linux > prinstalled is a failure (since it doesn't sell) So everyone MUST be > using Windows.... This is what Microsoft "wants" the vendors to > "see". I'd love to know the real numbers (via Windows Update would > probably be more accurate, although it still may be a dual boot Windows > install thats rarely used, or in my case a Virtualbox inside linux that > I keep updated just in case I need to use it (I haven't for 2 years now > anyway...) > > > So probably microsoft kicks back to Symantic, McAffee, Adobe.... whatnot > to kick back to the vendors to kill the whole linux preinstalled idea... > It seems to work for now. > > > Hope the future looks brighter :) > > Now that we've all had a good chat about this issue amongst ourselves, the only real way to do anything about it is letter writing - on proper paper. Bring the issue to the attention of your Senator, European Commissioner, whoever you have in your region. Mine is ready to go in the air mail tomorrow. Dave From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Thu Sep 11 22:13:10 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:13:10 -0400 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found In-Reply-To: <1678888.ULAJDaAJem@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1328317.Ij9nn7xBCZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <1678888.ULAJDaAJem@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 11, Derek Broughton did say: > > Knapp wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Derek Broughton > > wrote: > > >> Sorry, but if you want to use the system in decidedly non-standard ways, > >> and don't understand how to keep your login console separate from the > >> system console, I can't say I have a whole lot of sympathy. > > > > A lack of sympathy often reflexes a genetic variation that you > > inherited. People with this variation often have trouble keeping > > sexual partners and tend to fail at marriages. > > Joke right? :-) > > Well, I never had trouble _keeping_ partners, it was getting them... But > I've been married for almost 22 years, thanks :-) > > > Really though, have you never gotten in over your head while learning > > a new system? > > Absolutely, but this isn't someone learning a new system - it certainly > smacks of someone coercing Ubuntu into a very _old_ form. Starting X from > your console using startx went out of fashion about a decade ago. Ubuntu > isn't intended to have X started out of somebody's console, so I just don't > like to see people complaining about getting console messages on a terminal > that Ubuntu wouldn't have used. If he'd been using Ubuntu as it was > intended, he wouldn't have had an issue (and probably would never even have > noticed) Well I thought linux was about being able to choose... And since there used to be a traditional method of selecting gui vs non-gui login by setting id:3:initdefault: or id:5:initdefault: in the now defunct /etc/inittab I felt like Kubuntu was trying to coerce me into using my pc someone elses way... Though I must say that at least Kubuntu still includes a working startx script And a mechanizim for returning to the login method I prefer THANK YOU Kubuntu! But even If I were using the gui login I'd still want to access the consoles via ++ when planning to run a root shell to use apt-get or visudo or some such. So I would have still noticed it... Please don't misunderstand me though Derek, I'm not complaining that you seam to feel just as strongly that I should just use the gui login as I do that the console login and startx should still be a personal choice... In fact I'd like to applaud you! You _do_ evidently feel strongly that I shouldn't still be using startx, and yet you very kindly included two possible solutions in your original reply. for this I can only say: TTTTTTTTTTTT HH HH AA NN NN KK SSSS TT HH HH A A NNNN NN KK KK SS SS TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KK KK SS TT HHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAA NN NN NN KK KK SSSSS TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KKKK KK SS TT HH HH AA AA NN NNNN KK KK SS SS TT HH HH AA AA NN NN KK KK SSSS It takes a great man to be kind to those he disagrees with... -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Thu Sep 11 22:58:51 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:58:51 -0400 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! In-Reply-To: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 11, Derek Broughton did say: > > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > OH no!!!!! - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - - > > This included the edgy I just replaced with hardy... GAWD do I wish I > > had used apt-get to upgrade through each of the releases in between > > as then I might still have ksynaptics which is apparently no longer > > in the repositories... > > You're right. ime, it never did a darn thing anyway. Both the synaptics > and alps touchpads I've used basically automatically tap whether tapping is > on or off or I'm even near the touchpad. But thanks for your question, > because this has been driving me batty, recently, and I've just realized > it's because setting up multiple displays in Xorg.conf has regressed my > touchpad fix. > > Add to the xorg.conf "InputDevice" section for your touchpad: > Option "MaxTapTime" "0" > I think that will do what you want - I know it will fix _my_ situation! Well I thank you again Derek (and Gordon as well) for providing me with what is probably the best solution... Considering that the only reason I ever wanted ksynaptics was to disable tapping... And if this works at all it should free me from having to make my first chore after gui start up be to get either ksynaptics or kcontrol up so that I can access the tapping disabled setting (that always seams to be ignored when kde is started) just so I can toggle the setting on then back off and apply the changes which kde will only respect for the current session... That was a pain which your solution should spare me from. I thank you!!! > > And even when I'm typing on the keyboard it seems like the hairs on my > > wrist can apply enough force to the fscking touchpad to cause a click > > event when I didn't think I was touching the durned thing at all... > Oh! That's what it is. Time to shave my wrists :-) I considered it... But gave up on the idea when I saw a fly trigger a click event by bouncing of the durned touchpad... (Only saw it happen once, but the idea that a fly could confirm some action I'd decided was to risky, made me focus on just shutting tapping down every time I fire this puppy up...) > If you really want ksynaptics and can't just find a deb, I'll email you the > latest one that was in Ubuntu, as I do still have it. Thanks but no thanks. I like your solution better... Besides I'm a little leery of manually applying debs, or rpms or tarballs to any distro I might be using. Since I multi boot AND need to spend some time actually using my computer, I learned a long time ago I'd have much fewer headaches if I let the smart geeks who maintain the repositories deal with as many of the dependency issues as possible. Thanks again! -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 00:41:47 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:41:47 -0400 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <48C9731E.7040109@rmk.co.il> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> <1221161506.28061.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <48C9731E.7040109@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1221180107.28061.298.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:35 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:13 +0300, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: > >> nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf > >> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress > > > > First off, typing "which java" will/should return to you the version of > > java that the machine sees as installed. Whatcha got as a result?? > > (checking for paths here) Ric > > > /usr/bin/java GREAT! Same thing for javac?? I would imagine so. If you used adept, then all the dependencies should have been drug in, too. If this first install of java to the system?? You may have two or even three versions on your machine. Try this: "java -version" and see if what responds is what you installed last. It can get -real- surprising. Java7 is already in beta, so in the near future we'll have a unified java install. Praise be... I've just ripped out every package with java in the name, on my CentOS partition, for the same reasons. Several versions all banging up against each other. When the going gets weird, the weird get going. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 01:40:55 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:40:55 -0400 Subject: Multivalent In-Reply-To: <48C976BF.9000303@yahoo.it> References: <48C96DE3.2020402@rmk.co.il> <48C976BF.9000303@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1221183655.28061.304.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 20:51 +0100, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > > I'm trying to run multivalent from the command line but get this error: > > nigel at laptop:~/Downloads/Multivalent$ java tool.pdf.Compress -noalt Sept-08-print-EN.pdf > > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: tool/pdf/Compress > > Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: tool.pdf.Compress > > at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217) > > at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) > > at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205) > > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:323) > > at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294) > > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:268) > > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:336) > > Could not find the main class: tool.pdf.Compress. Program will exit. > > > > I tried the following (according the the Multivalent website): > > Tools all live in the file Multivalent.jar, and that file is made visible to Java by adding its > > path to your CLASSPATH environment variable. For example, for UNIX (including Mac OS X and > > Linux), depending on your shell, setenv CLASSPATH $CLASSPATH:/path/to/Multivalent.jar or export > > CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/path/to/Multivalent.jar. > > > > But I get error messages trying to run the above: > > nigel at laptop:~$ sudo setenv CLASSPATH $CLASSPATH:/home/nigel/Downloads/Multivalent/Multivalent.jar > > sudo: setenv: command not found > > nigel at laptop:~$ sudo export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/home/nigel/Downloads/Multivalent/Multivalent.jar > > sudo: export: command not found > > > > They also suggest: > > Alternatively, you can set the classpath explicitly as an option, as in > > java -classpath /path/to/Multivalent.jar tool.XXX [options] files > > but I don't understand the '[options] files' part. > > [options] are the options for the java program. In your case, -noalt > Sept-08-print-EN.pdf, as in your original command line > > > > > How can I set the classpath so as to get multivalent to run? > > I have used export in script files, e.g. .bashrc If you want it to be changed/added immediately, then type 'source .bashrc' or where ever you decide to declare the path statement. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 12 02:24:14 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:24:14 -0400 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found In-Reply-To: References: <1678888.ULAJDaAJem@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809112224.15089.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 11 September 2008 6:13:10 pm Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > It would appear that on Sep 11, Derek Broughton did say: > > Knapp wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Derek Broughton > > > > > > wrote: > > >> Sorry, but if you want to use the system in decidedly non-standard > > >> ways, and don't understand how to keep your login console separate > > >> from the system console, I can't say I have a whole lot of sympathy. > > > > > > A lack of sympathy often reflexes a genetic variation that you > > > inherited. People with this variation often have trouble keeping > > > sexual partners and tend to fail at marriages. > > > Joke right? :-) > > > > Well, I never had trouble _keeping_ partners, it was getting them... But > > I've been married for almost 22 years, thanks :-) > > > > > Really though, have you never gotten in over your head while learning > > > a new system? > > > > Absolutely, but this isn't someone learning a new system - it certainly > > smacks of someone coercing Ubuntu into a very _old_ form. Starting X > > from your console using startx went out of fashion about a decade ago. > > Ubuntu isn't intended to have X started out of somebody's console, so I > > just don't like to see people complaining about getting console messages > > on a terminal that Ubuntu wouldn't have used. If he'd been using Ubuntu > > as it was intended, he wouldn't have had an issue (and probably would > > never even have noticed) > > Well I thought linux was about being able to choose... > > And since there used to be a traditional method of selecting gui vs > non-gui login by setting id:3:initdefault: or id:5:initdefault: in > the now defunct /etc/inittab I felt like Kubuntu was trying to > coerce me into using my pc someone elses way... Though I must > say that at least Kubuntu still includes a working startx > script And a mechanizim for returning to the login method I > prefer THANK YOU Kubuntu! > > But even If I were using the gui login I'd still want to > access the consoles via ++ when planning to > run a root shell to use apt-get or visudo or some such. So I > would have still noticed it... > > Please don't misunderstand me though Derek, I'm not > complaining that you seam to feel just as strongly that I > should just use the gui login as I do that the console login > and startx should still be a personal choice... In fact I'd > like to applaud you! You _do_ evidently feel strongly that I > shouldn't still be using startx, and yet you very kindly > included two possible solutions in your original reply. > > for this I can only say: > > TTTTTTTTTTTT HH HH AA NN NN KK SSSS > TT HH HH A A NNNN NN KK KK SS SS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KK KK SS > TT HHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAA NN NN NN KK KK SSSSS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KKKK KK SS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NNNN KK KK SS SS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NN KK KK SSSS > > It takes a great man to be kind to those he disagrees with... We should cut him some slack. He's just having a bad hair day in a place where the sun don't shine. ;-) -- David M. From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Sep 12 03:08:53 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:08:53 -0700 Subject: Time Updates In-Reply-To: <1670344.vOtLYphktQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809091503.11992.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200809101425.07859.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1436085.qRdWXbvyJC@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809101745.49905.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1670344.vOtLYphktQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080912030853.GB6114@dmiyu.org> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 03:07:23PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > No, it's not. You can do that if you want, but it's ntpd not ntpdate that's > setting your time. You _don't_ need ntpd, and I really think it's not a > good idea to be running servers you don't understand. Of course one only gains understanding through doing so according to your logic one would never run anything since they would never understand it... ;P -- Steve C. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 04:21:21 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:21:21 +0300 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809112121y5d433d98m8d5f54cff7b78382@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/12 Robert Costa : > Maybe the package gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is what you're searching for? > There's something similar for KDE3, too. I just can't find the package > right now :-) Thanks. I do have the gtk-qt engine installed. However, I need to configure so GTK appearance settings besides those that the gtk-qt engine plays with. > BTW Firefox looks a bit "crappy" with gtk-qt-engine-kde4 > installed. Dunno if it's a bug or maybe something's set incorrectly > here. It's like just the upper half of buttons or checkboxes are drawn > or they get only drawn when I move the mouse over it. > Thanks, I filed bug on that but it was invalidated twice: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 Another, related bug by me that is being triaged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta/+bug/229804 Of course, I am the fool who filed the bug that KDE4 should not be the default in Kubuntu 8.04 (remember that fiasco?) and that got invalidated too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 Apparently I'm full of bad ideas. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Sep 12 06:04:08 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:04:08 +0200 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00809112121y5d433d98m8d5f54cff7b78382@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809112121y5d433d98m8d5f54cff7b78382@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen schrieb: > Of course, I am the fool who filed the bug that KDE4 should not be the > default in Kubuntu 8.04 (remember that fiasco?) and that got > invalidated too: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/182786 > > Apparently I'm full of bad ideas. > Ah, That was you. Glad, I finally found the famous fool. ;-)) Imho it would have been far better to use the "LTS" Label for Kubuntu and to switch to KDE 4.x at Ubuntu 8.10, earliest. This reminds me of some words from another famous person: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. :-)))) regards EbR From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 07:52:24 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:52:24 +0200 Subject: SOLVED: Logitech RX 1000 mouse config Message-ID: After a long time and a lot of help from everyone, I have at last gotten my mouse to work with ALL buttons! This answer is a lot of answers put together. Sorry it took me so long to get this right and get back to everyone. Thanks all! Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Logitech RX1000" Driver "evdev" Option "Protocol" "evdev" Option "Name" "Logitech USB Optical Mouse" Option "Phys" "usb-*/input0" Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB_Optical_Mouse-event-mouse" Option "Buttons" "8" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Resolution" "1000" Option "CorePointer" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" Vendorname "Generic LCD Display" Modelname "LCD Panel 1680x1050" Horizsync 31.5-65.5 Vertrefresh 56.0 - 65.0 modeline "800x600 at 56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync modeline "800x600 at 60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync modeline "1280x768 at 60" 80.14 1280 1344 1480 1680 768 769 772 795 -hsync +vsync modeline "1280x720 at 60" 74.48 1280 1336 1472 1664 720 721 724 746 -hsync +vsync modeline "1280x800 at 60" 83.46 1280 1344 1480 1680 800 801 804 828 -hsync +vsync modeline "1440x900 at 60" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -hsync +vsync modeline "1600x1024 at 60" 136.36 1600 1704 1872 2144 1024 1025 1028 1060 -hsync +vsync modeline "1680x1050 at 60" 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 -hsync +vsync Gamma 1.0 EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0 InputDevice "Logitech RX1000" "CorePointer" EndSection -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 07:56:29 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:56:29 +0300 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809112121y5d433d98m8d5f54cff7b78382@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809120056q54c109eetd7837d22767b6270@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/12 Eberhard Roloff : > This reminds me of some words from another famous person: > First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win. :-)))) > Ghandi, no? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 09:54:10 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:54:10 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 hangs at shutdown Message-ID: <200809120554.10310.pkaplan1@comcast.net> When I attempt to shutdown my system from kde 4.1.1 (not logout but full shutdown), all the kde programs get killed and kde exits to a black screen at which point...nothing. In order to shutdown the system I have to kill X (ctrl+alt+bkspc) which gives me a virtual terminal with a login prompt. I then have to login and issue a shutdown command. Going through the same excercise with kde 3.5.9 doesn't cause this problem and the system shuts down without any help. The fact that I get to a VT suggests that the system has already logged me out and that kdm may be the culprit, but don't forget that it doesn't happen w/ 3.5. Any thoughts? Paul From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Sep 12 11:33:40 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:33:40 +0100 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809121233.40441.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Thursday 11 September 2008 22:21:52 Robert Costa wrote: > 2008/9/11 Dotan Cohen : > > How can the user can configure the appearance of the GTK applications > > in Kubuntu? I do not have Gnome installed, though I suspect that in > > Gnome there would be a System Settings application to configure GTK > > appearance. Is there a text file that I can edit, or a GTK-appearance > > application that I can install? > > Maybe the package gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is what you're searching for? > There's something similar for KDE3, too. I just can't find the package > right now :-) BTW Firefox looks a bit "crappy" with gtk-qt-engine-kde4 > installed. Dunno if it's a bug or maybe something's set incorrectly > here. It's like just the upper half of buttons or checkboxes are drawn > or they get only drawn when I move the mouse over it. That bug also occurs with KDE3, I had to install gtk2-engines-qtcurve to get the tick boxes working. There is a bug open on it. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Fri Sep 12 12:06:55 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:06:55 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 hangs at shutdown In-Reply-To: <200809120554.10310.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200809120554.10310.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200809120806.56564.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Friday 12 September 2008 05:54:10 Paul Kaplan wrote (Reply at bottom): > When I attempt to shutdown my system from kde 4.1.1 (not logout but full > shutdown), all the kde programs get killed and kde exits to a black screen > at which point...nothing. In order to shutdown the system I have to kill X > (ctrl+alt+bkspc) which gives me a virtual terminal with a login prompt. I > then have to login and issue a shutdown command. > > Going through the same excercise with kde 3.5.9 doesn't cause this problem > and the system shuts down without any help. > > The fact that I get to a VT suggests that the system has already logged me > out and that kdm may be the culprit, but don't forget that it doesn't > happen w/ 3.5. > > Any thoughts? > Paul Which version of KDM are you using? the 3.5.x or 4.1.1? -- | Jason Straight | http://www.cafepress.com/jasonrs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 12 13:42:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:42:28 -0300 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found References: <1328317.Ij9nn7xBCZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <1678888.ULAJDaAJem@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <6985273.i6ny3ZfSvE@cedar.serverforest.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Well I thought linux was about being able to choose... Absolutely - and I didn't say "don't do that"; I just don't sympathize :-) > > And since there used to be a traditional method of selecting gui vs > non-gui login by setting id:3:initdefault: or id:5:initdefault: in Well, not really. One version of Linux introduced that. Debian and its derivatives have never used it. > the now defunct /etc/inittab I felt like Kubuntu was trying to > coerce me into using my pc someone elses way... Just "the way it's always been" :-) > But even If I were using the gui login I'd still want to > access the consoles via ++ when planning to > run a root shell to use apt-get or visudo or some such. So I > would have still noticed it... No. With the standard login, all of those messages are popping up on tty8, and when I use tty1-6 I don't see console messages. I'm not sure of the mechanism going on there, because it's never mattered to me, but it's been consistent for 2 or 3 releases, at least. > > Please don't misunderstand me though Derek, I'm not > complaining that you seam to feel just as strongly that I > should just use the gui login as I do that the console login > and startx should still be a personal choice... In fact I'd > like to applaud you! You _do_ evidently feel strongly that I > shouldn't still be using startx, and yet you very kindly > included two possible solutions in your original reply. No, really, I _don't_ feel strongly that you shouldn't use startx; I feel strongly that people shouldn't blame Ubuntu for not being able to do things Ubuntu doesn't do. Which isn't to say that that's _quite_ what I thought you were doing... > > for this I can only say: > > TTTTTTTTTTTT HH HH AA NN NN KK SSSS > TT HH HH A A NNNN NN KK KK SS SS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KK KK SS > TT HHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAA NN NN NN KK KK SSSSS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KKKK KK SS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NNNN KK KK SS SS > TT HH HH AA AA NN NN KK KK SSSS You're welcome. > > It takes a great man to be kind to those he disagrees with... Nah, I just like to show my knowledge (besides which I'd just been through the whole business of getting the b43 drivers installed, because I upgraded my kernel and it started spitting those messages...). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 12 13:50:40 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:50:40 -0300 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! References: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2069721.FeEatDcdQ0@cedar.serverforest.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Thanks but no thanks. I like your solution better... Besides I'm a little > leery of manually applying debs, or rpms or tarballs to any distro I > might be using. You're wise to be. In this case, I am still running the old ksynaptics without any conflicts, but then you don't know me - I could be feeding you viruses. I've just remembered out why I stopped using ksynaptics - every time I do, it tells me "Shared memory is not accessible" and to add "SHMConfig on" to xorg.conf, but every time I add that, something regresses it. It's missing again. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 12 13:44:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:44:03 -0300 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found References: <1678888.ULAJDaAJem@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809112224.15089.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <6608064.jq91CxuyNr@cedar.serverforest.com> david wrote: > We should cut him some slack. He's just having a bad hair day in a place > where the sun don't shine. ;-) One of these days, you'll be old enough to have hair growing in unspeakable places, too. [it takes a very twisted mind to even come up with a line like that] -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 14:42:04 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:42:04 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <1526106.1AsITejpDp@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <1526106.1AsITejpDp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809121042.10518.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 9:44:07 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Furthermore, against what soem people here experience, I am situated > > in germany, visited the Dell US Website, that charges dollars, not Euros. > > > > And as pointed out, I could configure and move to my cart ubuntu with > > 16GB ssd, bluetooth, vga, warranty extension, memory upgrde for $ 622 > > > > So I can only conclude that Dell offers Europeans a different US > > website that they have for Americans? Hard to believe, I think. > >   > Sort of...  Art's talking about Business purchases.  In actual fact, at the > Business part of the site, _every_ company sees a slightly different > website - and hardware available to one company may not be available to > another.  I'm sure Art could go to the same site as you, but he wouldn't > get the same deal he gets for company purchases (which is sometimes no deal > at all - I've heard people complaining that the government standing offer > for monitors only allows purchasers to pay about 50% more for the monitor > than they could pay by walking into a Future Shop or Best Buy) - and they > can't have a 22" LCD at all. Derek is correct. However, I have found that I can get ubuntu with the largest drive. This is hidden from us, though. If I choose the unit with the largest drive and XP, I cannot change the OS, but if I choose the ubuntu unit with the smallest drive, I can upgrade the drive. 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But we buy PCs from Dell with XP pre-installed everyday. How? Certain Vista licenses (the more expensive ones) come with "downgrade" rights to XP. So when we buy an XP box, we are really buying a Vista box with the downgrade option pre-installed. This makes it (1) more expensive to buy XP, and (2) makes it appear that Vista is selling more than it is actually being used. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Sep 12 15:13:50 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:13:50 -0400 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found In-Reply-To: <6608064.jq91CxuyNr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809112224.15089.d.mcglone@att.net> <6608064.jq91CxuyNr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809121113.50299.d.mcglone@att.net> On Friday 12 September 2008 9:44:03 am Derek Broughton wrote: > david wrote: > > We should cut him some slack. He's just having a bad hair day in a place > > where the sun don't shine. ;-) > > One of these days, you'll be old enough to have hair growing in unspeakable > places, too. If you only knew how old I was. It don't have anything to do with growing hair in unspeakable places. Ever heard the saying "he's just got a hair in his a**" when someone is not having a good day and they are ticked off about something, and the slightest little thing sets them off? > > [it takes a very twisted mind to even come up with a line like that] Just be thankful I was trying to ease the threat of a flame war and add a little ease to your direct bluntness to spare Joe the humiliation and embarrassment of posting a legitimate question :-) David M. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 12 15:15:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:15:42 -0300 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <1526106.1AsITejpDp@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809121042.10518.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5270771.cGPyoI5xuK@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > However, I have found that I can get ubuntu with the largest drive. This > is > hidden from us, though. If I choose the unit with the largest drive and > XP, I cannot change the OS, but if I choose the ubuntu unit with the > smallest drive, I can upgrade the drive. Go figure. But that's so Linuxish - always more than one way to do a job :-) Man, I hate Dell almost as much as Microsoft... -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 16:02:57 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <5270771.cGPyoI5xuK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809121042.10518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <5270771.cGPyoI5xuK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809121203.02581.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 12 September 2008 11:15:42 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Man, I hate Dell almost as much as Microsoft... Me too, and it is exacerbated by the fact that my boss loves them. 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 12 16:38:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:38:12 -0300 Subject: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found References: <200809112224.15089.d.mcglone@att.net> <6608064.jq91CxuyNr@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809121113.50299.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <28407708.erOkM34eyM@cedar.serverforest.com> David McGlone wrote: > Just be thankful I was trying to ease the threat of a flame war and add a > little ease to your direct bluntness to spare Joe the humiliation and > embarrassment of posting a legitimate question :-) I'm always game for a little light-hearted frivolity. I'm still squirming about that hair, though... -- derek From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Sep 12 17:00:44 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:00:44 +0200 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809121203.02581.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809121042.10518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <5270771.cGPyoI5xuK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809121203.02581.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion schrieb: > On Friday 12 September 2008 11:15:42 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> Man, I hate Dell almost as much as Microsoft... > > Me too, and it is exacerbated by the fact that my boss loves them. I > continually get better deals from Softmart, where a real person, capable of > communication can get me just about anything, and he just pays more for less > with Dell. > ok, I am not a big Dell Fan either, mainly becuase imho they wear out to quickly to be useable as second hand equipment which I preferably use for my own. Nevertheless Dell is imho the only mayor PC manufacturer outside the netbook scenery, that offers Linux, while ex. Lenovo currently "sidesteps" it's Linux strategy and this deserves our respect. Kind regards Eberhard From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 17:14:03 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:14:03 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <48c57e2b.0405be0a.1b08.ffff830a@mx.google.com> <200809121203.02581.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200809121314.03300.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 12 September 2008 1:00:44 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Nevertheless Dell is imho the only mayor PC > manufacturer outside the netbook scenery, that offers Linux, while ex. > Lenovo currently "sidesteps" it's Linux strategy and this deserves our > respect. HP sells with Linux pre-installed as well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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URL: From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 17:16:50 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:16:50 +0000 Subject: kde4.1 hangs at shutdown Message-ID: <091220081716.29251.48CAA4020005E992000072432202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jason Straight > On Friday 12 September 2008 05:54:10 Paul Kaplan wrote (Reply at bottom): > > When I attempt to shutdown my system from kde 4.1.1 (not logout but full > > shutdown), all the kde programs get killed and kde exits to a black screen > > at which point...nothing. In order to shutdown the system I have to kill X > > (ctrl+alt+bkspc) which gives me a virtual terminal with a login prompt. I > > then have to login and issue a shutdown command. > > > > Going through the same excercise with kde 3.5.9 doesn't cause this problem > > and the system shuts down without any help. > > > > The fact that I get to a VT suggests that the system has already logged me > > out and that kdm may be the culprit, but don't forget that it doesn't > > happen w/ 3.5. > > > > Any thoughts? > > Paul > > Which version of KDM are you using? the 3.5.x or 4.1.1? 3.5 > > -- > | Jason Straight > | http://www.cafepress.com/jasonrs > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jason Straight Subject: Re: kde4.1 hangs at shutdown Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:07:48 +0000 Size: 6566 URL: From jnantz at cox.net Fri Sep 12 17:19:18 2008 From: jnantz at cox.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:19:18 -0700 Subject: xdmcp broken Message-ID: <48CAA496.3070200@cox.net> A few days ago I installed kde4 on my Kubuntu box. Before the installation I had xdmcp working so I could log into my kubuntu box without having to go into the other room. I would log in using Xming on my windows xp box. This worked fine. After installing kde4 nothing happens when I try to use Xming to log in. Xming opens with the grey screen and the black x. I didn't change any firewall settings on either box. Any ideas? Thanks Jim From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 18:20:18 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:20:18 +0300 Subject: Configuring GTK applications' appearance in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00809120056q54c109eetd7837d22767b6270@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809110947k5dc2ae92v3e749a3c9a89d27d@mail.gmail.com> <2a131af80809111421i525a5fcbt5b79f5674edaaa4e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809112121y5d433d98m8d5f54cff7b78382@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00809120056q54c109eetd7837d22767b6270@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CAB2E2.2020506@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/12 Eberhard Roloff : >> This reminds me of some words from another famous person: >> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, >> then you win. :-)))) >> > > Ghandi, no? > can't tell who's the original sayer, but robbie williams used it in a song :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >> continually get better deals from Softmart, where a real person, capable >> of communication can get me just about anything, and he just pays more >> for less with Dell. >> > ok, I am not a big Dell Fan either, mainly becuase imho they wear out > to quickly to be useable as second hand equipment which I preferably > use for my own. Nevertheless Dell is imho the only mayor PC > manufacturer outside the netbook scenery, that offers Linux, while ex. > Lenovo currently "sidesteps" it's Linux strategy and this deserves our > respect. Not at the expense of customer service. A lousy retailer that sells machines with Linux on them is no better than a lousy retailer that sells only Windows machines. And since Dell flat out refused to even take my calls or answer emails about the broken wireless in the last Dell machine I bought (for which I paid for an extended warranty) I prefer to just bad-mouth them for the rest of eternity. It's way cheaper, more fun, and probably more effective, than taking them to court. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 12 19:55:26 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:55:26 -0300 Subject: xdmcp broken References: <48CAA496.3070200@cox.net> Message-ID: <1256837.caal6Z3cmU@cedar.serverforest.com> Jim wrote: > A few days ago I installed kde4 on my Kubuntu box. Before the > installation I had xdmcp working so I could log into my kubuntu box > without having to go into the other room. I would log in using Xming on > my windows xp box. This worked fine. > > After installing kde4 nothing happens when I try to use Xming to log in. > Xming opens with the grey screen and the black x. I didn't change any > firewall settings on either box. Find the kdmrc file - it has an [xdmcp] section, where by default xdmcp is turned off. -- derek From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Sep 12 20:42:49 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:42:49 +0200 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: <200809121314.44424.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200809121314.44424.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: Art Alexion schrieb: > On Friday 12 September 2008 1:00:44 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Nevertheless Dell is imho the only mayor PC >> manufacturer outside the netbook scenery, that offers Linux, while ex. >> Lenovo currently "sidesteps" it's Linux strategy and this deserves our >> respect. > > HP sells with Linux pre-installed as well. > ok then. I just tried to look for a HP Notebook with Linux, apart from the 2133 netbook which has Linux as an option. Maybe I overlooked it but what I mostly saw, is "HP recommends Windows Vista" and you had the option to downgrade to XP and FreeDOS was frequently mentioned, as well (I know the latter, since I use it sometimes). So is it well hidden or what do I have to do to get a Linux Desktop (i.e. Notebook or stationary machine) from them? Kind regards and thanks much for enlighting me Eberhard From jnantz at cox.net Fri Sep 12 22:23:06 2008 From: jnantz at cox.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:23:06 -0700 Subject: xdmcp broken In-Reply-To: <1256837.caal6Z3cmU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48CAA496.3070200@cox.net> <1256837.caal6Z3cmU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48CAEBCA.3070807@cox.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Jim wrote: > >> A few days ago I installed kde4 on my Kubuntu box. Before the >> installation I had xdmcp working so I could log into my kubuntu box >> without having to go into the other room. I would log in using Xming on >> my windows xp box. This worked fine. >> >> After installing kde4 nothing happens when I try to use Xming to log in. >> Xming opens with the grey screen and the black x. I didn't change any >> firewall settings on either box. > > Find the kdmrc file - it has an [xdmcp] section, where by default xdmcp is > turned off. Before I installed kde4 the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file allowed xdmcp. I had it turned on. Here is the xdmcp section from that file. [Xdmcp] ChoiceTimeout=20 Enable=true KeyFile=/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmkeys Port=177 Willing=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xwilling Xaccess=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess The only other kdmrc file on my system is at /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc [Xdmcp] # Whether KDM should listen to incoming XDMCP requests. # Default is true Enable=true # The UDP port on which KDM should listen for XDMCP requests. Do not change. # Default is 177 Port=177 # File with the private keys of X-terminals. Required for XDM authentication. # Default is "" KeyFile=/usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmkeys # XDMCP access control file in the usual XDM-Xaccess format. # Default is "/usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess" Xaccess= # Number of seconds to wait for display to respond after the user has # selected a host from the chooser. # Default is 15 ChoiceTimeout=25 # Strip domain name from remote display names if it is equal to the local # domain. # Default is true #RemoveDomainname=false # Use the numeric IP address of the incoming connection on multihomed hosts # instead of the host name. # Default is false #SourceAddress=true # The program which is invoked to dynamically generate replies to XDMCP # DirectQuery or BroadcastQuery requests. # If empty, no program is invoked and "Willing to manage" is sent. # Default is "" Willing=/usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/Xwilling If there's something that might clear this up that I didn't put here, I put all of both files at http://www.kd7nnv.net/kde Thanks Jim From alain.muls at telenet.be Fri Sep 12 22:55:28 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:55:28 +0200 Subject: common directory with group controlled acces for multiple users Message-ID: <200809130055.28426.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I need to setup an account on my server for 3 students so that they can have access to executables and scripts for processing daily GPS observations. Since I want only 1 copy of these exe/scripts, I am thinking about setting them up in /usr/local/share/gpsprog dir and I want to set the s-bit on the group, so that I have rxwrws--- /usr/local/share/gpsprog Now if one of the students modify a script, the others should have access to this dir. I think I should set something similar to umask for these persons. How can I do that? Also in this context, I wonder whether I should grant them a graphical login (if so, how) or a ssh login, which does not give them a menu perhaps causing them to get lost. Any advice is greatly appreciated Tx/Alain PS: the PC is run by Kubuntu 3.5.9 (or .8?) From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 23:59:28 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:59:28 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Dell Mini In-Reply-To: References: <200809121314.44424.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1221263968.27636.46.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 22:42 +0200, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Art Alexion schrieb: > > On Friday 12 September 2008 1:00:44 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >> Nevertheless Dell is imho the only mayor PC > >> manufacturer outside the netbook scenery, that offers Linux, while ex. > >> Lenovo currently "sidesteps" it's Linux strategy and this deserves our > >> respect. > > > > HP sells with Linux pre-installed as well. > > > ok then. > I just tried to look for a HP Notebook with Linux, apart from the 2133 > netbook which has Linux as an option. > > Maybe I overlooked it but what I mostly saw, is "HP recommends Windows > Vista" and you had the option to downgrade to XP and FreeDOS was > frequently mentioned, as well (I know the latter, since I use it > sometimes). FreeDOS is the old Caldera offering. I remember Caldera fondly. I would imagine if they installed FreeDOS, then you wouldn't be paying the Windows tax?? What's the price difference? Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From rick_knight at rlknight.com Sat Sep 13 01:53:24 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:53:24 -0700 Subject: libc6 broken - Can't install any apps - Hardy 8.04 Message-ID: <48CB1D14.8070708@rlknight.com> I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 a week or so ago and everything went OK. My PC has been running fine since. Today I wanted to install EncFS, but apt-get failed with these messages... sudo apt-get install encfs Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: encfs: Depends: librlog1c2a but it is not going to be installed libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-10ubuntu3) but 2.7-10ubuntu4 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). Running apt-get -f install yields this... sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libwvstreams4.3-extras liblaunchpad-integration0 libmtp6 libneon26 xserver-xorg-video-amd libsnmp10 g++-4.1 libhal-storage-dev libdns32 libcamel1.2-10 libxalan110 libsoup2.2-8 libgpod2 libgnome-menu2 libnss3-dev libcdio6 libstdc++6-4.1-dev libsvg1 libgutenprintui2-1 ecj libpt-plugins-v4l libbrlapi1 libwvstreams4.3-base libiso9660-4 libhal-dev libsvnqt3 libpt-plugins-alsa libdb4.5 libtotem-plparser7 libuniconf4.3 libytnef0 libxerces27 libnss3-0d libkdcraw1 libntfs-3g16 libpisync0 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: libc6-i686 The following packages will be upgraded: libc6-i686 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded. 8 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/1243kB of archives. After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/perl terminated Segmentation fault Setting up libc6 (2.7-10ubuntu4) ... *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/perl terminated dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) Errors were encountered while processing: libc6 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) So, I opened Adept Package Manager to try to install EncFS. Selected encfs and then looked in Preview Changes and found that libc6-i686 is listed as... libc6-i686 BROKEN (upgradable) upgrade Because of the broken libc6-i686 I am unable to install encfs. How can I fix this? Thanks, Rick From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 02:52:41 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:52:41 -0400 Subject: libc6 broken - Can't install any apps - Hardy 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48CB1D14.8070708@rlknight.com> References: <48CB1D14.8070708@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <1221274362.27636.147.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:53 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > Because of the broken libc6-i686 I am unable to install encfs. How can I > fix this? It's been my experience that when the upgrade process upgrades anything like libc it's best for your machine to be in stupid mode, booting from a CD or DVD image, and it has mounted your file system to make the change over as either an "fresh install" or "upgrade", not while running live. You may get lucky and re-boot to find everything peachy or find everything in smoke and ruins. I'd burn a upgrade CD/DVD while it's still running. Others may have no problem. To me, it's risky and I've been burnt before. Now, I have much fear and loathing of version upgrades. I backup to a bunch of harddrives and install new now. Plus, that gets rid of all the "fixes" I may have attempted in the past and regret even touching. YMMV, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sat Sep 13 04:24:12 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:24:12 -0400 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. can't apt-get install ksynaptics $#&^%#&^! In-Reply-To: <2069721.FeEatDcdQ0@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> <2069721.FeEatDcdQ0@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 12, Derek Broughton did say: > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > Thanks but no thanks. I like your solution better... Besides I'm a little > > leery of manually applying debs, or rpms or tarballs to any distro I > > might be using. > > You're wise to be. In this case, I am still running the old ksynaptics > without any conflicts, but then you don't know me - I could be feeding you > viruses. > > I've just remembered out why I stopped using ksynaptics - every time I do, > it tells me "Shared memory is not accessible" and to add "SHMConfig on" to > xorg.conf, but every time I add that, something regresses it. It's missing > again. Ahhh so THAT's what SHMConfig is for... I think you mentioned that the MaxTapTime option also gets regressed sometimes... In an effort to stop forgetting fixes I've just re-established a special email folder called GeneralLinuxClues to keep such thing as is useful for ANY distro I might be using... This time I'm forwarding copies of such thing to my laptop in the hopes that my next catastrophic hard disk failure doesn't one again return me to cluelessness ;-) That MaxTapTime option definitely belongs there... it works for Kubuntu, OpenSuSE, And Sabayon... -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sat Sep 13 04:32:36 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:32:36 -0700 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. Download KSynaptics from this link. In-Reply-To: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809122132.37052.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> > If you really want ksynaptics and can't just find a deb, I'll email you the > latest one that was in Ubuntu, as I do still have it. http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/ksynaptics (scroll to very bottom for package types) Funny thing....people all over the net advising others to enable Gutsy repos in a Hardy installation to get this package. No need to do this potentially dangerous notion. Individual packages can be downloaded off the net for the different versions. I provided this link to the general public so that Derek doesn't have to email it out to the hundreds/thousands of people who are looking for an easy fix on this issue. Larry From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sat Sep 13 05:00:19 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:00:19 -0400 Subject: I'm confused. about jave runtime environment (lack of) Message-ID: I have simple shellscript that opens some specific documents with ooffice from a konsole, and once ooffice spins off, it then proceeds to open a related text file with vim... I was using it in sabayon, But since I just got a brand new hardy installation all nice and configured I thought I'd see if it worked just as good under Kubuntu... It does, but I notice that when openoffice.org 2.4 starts up I see an konsole message about "javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!" That I wasn't seeing when sabayon fires up openoffice.org 2.3 It doesn't seem to mater But I don't know WHY ooffice wants java. It occured to me that some functionality might run better if it has it. So I searched http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/allpackages for java, and soon found: ia32-sun-java5-bin (1.5.0-15-0ubuntu1) [multiverse] Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (32-bit) Which apt-get said it had been replaced by sun-java5-jre Which I installed. The next time I ran my script I found out that javaldx still cant find a runtime environment... It probably doesn't mater, I expect to see odd things when I start gui applications from a konsole But I'd like to think that after I installed sun-java5-jre, javaldx should have been able to find it... Am I missing something stupid here or what??? -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Sep 13 05:09:37 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:09:37 -0700 Subject: KRDC 4.1.1 laggier than KRDC 3.5.10? Message-ID: <20080913050937.GC5783@dmiyu.org> Hello, Has anyone else noticed that KRDC 4.1.1 appears far laggier than KRDC 3.5.10? Specifically the mouse pointer? I find that connecting to the same remote session over the very same connection 4.1.1's mouse movements lags by almost a second why 3.5.10 is barely noticable on the lag, maybe 1/10th a second? Also redraws suffer horribly under 4.1.1's KRDC. Can anyone confirm? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jferrando at netplc.com Sat Sep 13 08:05:23 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:05:23 +0200 Subject: KRDC 4.1.1 laggier than KRDC 3.5.10? In-Reply-To: <20080913050937.GC5783@dmiyu.org> References: <20080913050937.GC5783@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48CB7443.2010408@netplc.com> Hi Steve, I do. I continue using 3.5.10 krdc: $ /usr/bin/krdc This is a very annoying bug that will keep me away from krdc 4.x until it gets fixed. Steve Lamb escribió: > Hello, > Has anyone else noticed that KRDC 4.1.1 appears far laggier than KRDC > 3.5.10? Specifically the mouse pointer? I find that connecting to the same > remote session over the very same connection 4.1.1's mouse movements lags by > almost a second why 3.5.10 is barely noticable on the lag, maybe 1/10th a > second? Also redraws suffer horribly under 4.1.1's KRDC. Can anyone confirm? > > From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 09:55:20 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:55:20 +0100 Subject: wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 Message-ID: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> I have a MSI 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi card with the Ralink RT2500 Chipset in a Dell Latitude p4 connecting - or failing to connect :-( - via a Netgear DG834G v4 wireless ADSL modem router. When I first installed Hardy, the wireless card was recognised and both green lights were on, but it could only connect with static IP. After numerous attempts over several days, in desperation I tried manually editing /etc/network/interfaces. Still no joy. I tried a few different combinations, including finally deleting /etc/network/interfaces and letting Kubuntu regenerate it. So I installed linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic. One of the green lights went out and it would now not connect at all, even tho' network settings could still see it. So I uninstalled linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic (apt-get purge linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic, aptget autoremove). Now the lights are both on, but there is no actual connection. I tried pinging the router. All packets were dropped. I pinged the laptop from the router and all packets reached their destination. So I pinged the router from the laptop. Nada. So I again pinged the laptop from the router. This time nothing. And that is still the situation. I also tried connecting the ethernet connection via DHCP. It would work only if I told it the DNS to use - it could not get the information from the server. Not much use for roving!! But the wrieless card could not even get an IP from the router. Suggestions? I'll try anything, short of throwing the whole lot through the window. I have to get wireless DHCP going on this laptop. :-( TIA Lisi From zabbarob at googlemail.com Sat Sep 13 10:51:27 2008 From: zabbarob at googlemail.com (Robert Costa) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:51:27 +0200 Subject: wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a131af80809130351g6388e4acrd367fecc39578d9f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Lisi, can you post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and maybe the output of the lspci command and lsmod, just in case no drivers are running the WiFi card. hmm.. if it's a driver problem you could also try out installing ndiswrapper and using the manufacturers drivers, but of cause that's not an option if you want to stay on linux native drivers :-)... Cya, Robert. 2008/9/13 Lisi Reisz : > I have a MSI 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi card with the Ralink RT2500 Chipset in a Dell > Latitude p4 connecting - or failing to connect :-( - via a Netgear DG834G v4 > wireless ADSL modem router. > > When I first installed Hardy, the wireless card was recognised and both green > lights were on, but it could only connect with static IP. After numerous > attempts over several days, in desperation I tried manually > editing /etc/network/interfaces. Still no joy. I tried a few different > combinations, including finally deleting /etc/network/interfaces and letting > Kubuntu regenerate it. > > So I installed linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic. One of the green lights > went out and it would now not connect at all, even tho' network settings > could still see it. > > So I uninstalled linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic (apt-get purge > linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic, aptget autoremove). Now the lights > are both on, but there is no actual connection. > > I tried pinging the router. All packets were dropped. I pinged the laptop > from the router and all packets reached their destination. So I pinged the > router from the laptop. Nada. So I again pinged the laptop from the router. > This time nothing. And that is still the situation. > > I also tried connecting the ethernet connection via DHCP. It would work only > if I told it the DNS to use - it could not get the information from the > server. Not much use for roving!! But the wrieless card could not even get > an IP from the router. > > Suggestions? I'll try anything, short of throwing the whole lot through the > window. I have to get wireless DHCP going on this laptop. :-( > > TIA > Lisi > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:26:09 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:26:09 +0100 Subject: wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <2a131af80809130351g6388e4acrd367fecc39578d9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <2a131af80809130351g6388e4acrd367fecc39578d9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809131326.09909.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Hi, Robert, Saturday 13 September 2008 11:51:27 に Robert Costa さんは書きました: > 2008/9/13 Lisi Reisz : > > I have a MSI 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi card with the Ralink RT2500 Chipset in a > > Dell Latitude p4 connecting - or failing to connect :-( - via a Netgear > > DG834G v4 wireless ADSL modem router. > can you post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and > maybe the output of the lspci command and lsmod, just in case no > drivers are running the WiFi card. hmm.. if it's a driver problem you > could also try out installing ndiswrapper and using the manufacturers > drivers, but of cause that's not an option if you want to stay on > linux native drivers :-)... Herewith. The /etc/network/interfaces file has been generated by Kubuntu, and I currently have the Ralink configured to static. When it is configured to DHCP it vanishes from /etc/network/interfaces. The 3 things together are rather long, I'm afraid. I'd better say thank you here at the beginning! So, thank you :-). Lisi **/etc/network/interfaces** iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.7 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 auto eth0 iface lo inet loopback address 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 auto lo iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 wireless-essid Chitose auto wlan0 ------------------------------------------------------ ***lspci*** root at localhost:/home/user# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 42) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801CAM ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801CAM IDE U100 Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go] (rev a3) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) 02:01.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4451 PC card Cardbus Controller 02:01.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4451 PC card Cardbus Controller 02:01.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCI4451 IEEE-1394 Controller 07:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) root at localhost:/home/user# ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****lsmod**** root at localhost:/home/user# lsmod Module Size Used by rfcomm 41744 2 l2cap 25728 13 rfcomm bluetooth 61156 4 rfcomm,l2cap ppdev 10372 0 speedstep_ich 6288 0 speedstep_lib 6532 1 speedstep_ich cpufreq_ondemand 9740 1 cpufreq_powersave 2688 0 cpufreq_stats 7104 0 freq_table 5536 3 speedstep_ich,cpufreq_ondemand,cpufreq_stats cpufreq_userspace 5284 0 cpufreq_conservative 8712 0 container 5632 0 sbs 15112 0 sbshc 7680 1 sbs dock 11280 0 iptable_filter 3840 0 ip_tables 14820 1 iptable_filter x_tables 16132 1 ip_tables aes_i586 33536 0 dm_crypt 15364 0 dm_mod 62660 1 dm_crypt sbp2 24072 0 lp 12324 0 arc4 2944 2 ecb 4480 2 blkcipher 8324 1 ecb rt2500pci 20352 0 rt2x00pci 11264 1 rt2500pci rt2x00lib 22528 2 rt2500pci,rt2x00pci rfkill 8592 1 rt2x00lib input_polldev 5896 1 rt2x00lib crc_itu_t 3072 1 rt2x00lib mac80211 165652 3 rt2500pci,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib cfg80211 15112 1 mac80211 eeprom_93cx6 3200 1 rt2500pci pcmcia 40876 0 ipv6 267780 8 video 19856 0 output 4736 1 video snd_intel8x0 35356 3 snd_ac97_codec 101028 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus 3072 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss 42144 0 snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 78596 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_dummy 4868 0 yenta_socket 27276 3 rsrc_nonstatic 13696 1 yenta_socket serio_raw 7940 0 pcmcia_core 40596 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic i2c_core 24832 0 button 9232 0 battery 14212 0 snd_seq_oss 35584 0 snd_seq_midi 9376 0 ac 6916 0 snd_rawmidi 25760 1 snd_seq_midi parport_pc 36260 1 parport 37832 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc irda 203068 0 dcdbas 9504 0 evdev 13056 5 snd_seq_midi_event 8320 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi crc_ccitt 3072 1 irda snd_seq 54224 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 24836 3 snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 9612 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq intel_agp 25492 1 snd 56996 15 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore 8800 1 snd shpchp 34452 0 pci_hotplug 30880 1 shpchp agpgart 34760 1 intel_agp iTCO_wdt 13092 0 iTCO_vendor_support 4868 1 iTCO_wdt snd_page_alloc 11400 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm pcspkr 4224 0 psmouse 40336 0 ext3 136712 3 jbd 48404 1 ext3 mbcache 9600 1 ext3 sg 36880 0 sr_mod 17956 0 cdrom 37408 1 sr_mod sd_mod 30720 5 ata_generic 8324 0 ata_piix 19588 4 floppy 59588 0 ohci1394 33584 0 pata_acpi 8320 0 ieee1394 93752 2 sbp2,ohci1394 uhci_hcd 27024 0 3c59x 46376 0 mii 6400 1 3c59x libata 159344 3 ata_generic,ata_piix,pata_acpi scsi_mod 151436 5 sbp2,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata usbcore 146028 2 uhci_hcd thermal 16796 1 processor 36872 2 thermal fan 5636 1 fbcon 42912 0 tileblit 3456 1 fbcon font 9472 1 fbcon bitblit 6784 1 fbcon softcursor 3072 1 bitblit fuse 50708 1 root at localhost:/home/user# > > When I first installed Hardy, the wireless card was recognised and both > > green lights were on, but it could only connect with static IP. After > > numerous attempts over several days, in desperation I tried manually > > editing /etc/network/interfaces. Still no joy. I tried a few different > > combinations, including finally deleting /etc/network/interfaces and > > letting Kubuntu regenerate it. > > > > So I installed linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic. One of the green > > lights went out and it would now not connect at all, even tho' network > > settings could still see it. > > > > So I uninstalled linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic (apt-get purge > > linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic, aptget autoremove). Now the > > lights are both on, but there is no actual connection. > > > > I tried pinging the router. All packets were dropped. I pinged the > > laptop from the router and all packets reached their destination. So I > > pinged the router from the laptop. Nada. So I again pinged the laptop > > from the router. This time nothing. And that is still the situation. > > > > I also tried connecting the ethernet connection via DHCP. It would work > > only if I told it the DNS to use - it could not get the information from > > the server. Not much use for roving!! But the wrieless card could not > > even get an IP from the router. > > > > Suggestions? I'll try anything, short of throwing the whole lot through > > the window. I have to get wireless DHCP going on this laptop. :-( From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:34:42 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:34:42 +0100 Subject: wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 - "solution" found :-(( In-Reply-To: <2a131af80809130351g6388e4acrd367fecc39578d9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <2a131af80809130351g6388e4acrd367fecc39578d9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809131334.42877.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Saturday 13 September 2008 11:51:27 に Robert Costa さんは書きました: > Hi Lisi, > > can you post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and > maybe the output of the lspci command and lsmod, just in case no > drivers are running the WiFi card. hmm.. Robert you have traced it for me already! > if it's a driver problem you > could also try out installing ndiswrapper and using the manufacturers > drivers, but of cause that's not an option if you want to stay on > linux native drivers :-)... I'm open to all suggestions. Download a non-free driver, buy another card that is known to work. Anything. If I don't get wireless going on dhcp this week, my granddaughter is going to desert to Windows. :-(( I shall try the route suggested on that web page as soon as I have joined Arthur in a nice hot cup of tea. I need fortifying. ;-) Lisi. > 2008/9/13 Lisi Reisz : > > I have a MSI 802.11g PCMCIA WiFi card with the Ralink RT2500 Chipset in a > > Dell Latitude p4 connecting - or failing to connect :-( - via a Netgear > > DG834G v4 wireless ADSL modem router. > > > > When I first installed Hardy, the wireless card was recognised and both > > green lights were on, but it could only connect with static IP. After > > numerous attempts over several days, in desperation I tried manually > > editing /etc/network/interfaces. Still no joy. I tried a few different > > combinations, including finally deleting /etc/network/interfaces and > > letting Kubuntu regenerate it. > > > > So I installed linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic. One of the green > > lights went out and it would now not connect at all, even tho' network > > settings could still see it. > > > > So I uninstalled linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic (apt-get purge > > linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic, aptget autoremove). Now the > > lights are both on, but there is no actual connection. > > > > I tried pinging the router. All packets were dropped. I pinged the > > laptop from the router and all packets reached their destination. So I > > pinged the router from the laptop. Nada. So I again pinged the laptop > > from the router. This time nothing. And that is still the situation. > > > > I also tried connecting the ethernet connection via DHCP. It would work > > only if I told it the DNS to use - it could not get the information from > > the server. Not much use for roving!! But the wrieless card could not > > even get an IP from the router. > > > > Suggestions? I'll try anything, short of throwing the whole lot through > > the window. I have to get wireless DHCP going on this laptop. :-( > > > > TIA > > Lisi > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- > Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sat Sep 13 13:08:09 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:08:09 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images Message-ID: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width and a resolution of 72 pdi? Of course with a good quality as end-result. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From kassube at gmx.net Sat Sep 13 13:40:37 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:40:37 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809131540.37467.kassube@gmx.net> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > and a resolution of 72 pdi? Of course with a good quality > as end-result. Try "convert" - a command line program from the "imagemagick" package. Nils From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Sep 13 13:50:33 2008 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:50:33 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809131550.33411.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 13 September 2008 15:08:09 Peter Klaassen wrote: > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > and a resolution of 72 pdi? Of course with a good quality > as end-result. I use package konq-kim for just that. In konquerer, when going to a directory with images only, select all or some, right-click and select 'actions'. Then, choose from several options, such as 'compress and resize with Kim', 'rename' , 'create web gallery' etc.. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 8.04) ********* From d.mcglone at att.net Sat Sep 13 14:31:22 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:31:22 -0400 Subject: syncing Message-ID: <200809131031.22457.d.mcglone@att.net> Hi all, Does anyone know if there have been any threads about syncing in the archives? I'm looking in the archives but it would could take me weeks to find something on the subject so while I look I figured I'd ask if anyone can recall anything. I'm looking into how to sync my e-mail folders and contacts on the desktop and laptop. I'm tired of having contacts and e-mail on one or the other and not both. I checked out Kitchensync and it didn't work, so I at the moment I have installed multisync. It seems to work except the file that is supposed to be populated with the synchronized data is always empty. David M. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 15:32:32 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:32:32 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809131732.32870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I just discovered something today. 1. It uses imagemagick. 2. I dunno about the dpi, but check the man pages for that. 3. Here's the recipe: ls *.jpg | sed 's/.jpg//' | xargs -I F convert F -quality 80 F.png That: a. picked all jpg files. b. stripped the .jpg off (using sed) c. used 'xargs' to handle things like too many files at once and spaces in names. It also puts the filename into 'F' (The arg to xargs is a dash capital "i", BTW, not a lower L) d. calls convert on file 'F' setting quality to 80 and converting to F.png You can adjust as you need to. HTH \d From gloonie at earthlink.net Sat Sep 13 15:43:06 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:43:06 -0400 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131732.32870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200809131732.32870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809131143.06851.gloonie@earthlink.net> Donn, I think there is a mistake in your recipe: After the convert command, instead of just "F" you need F.jpg, since the files are named filename.jpg. So the command line becomes: ls *.jpg | sed 's/.jpg//' | xargs -I F convert F.jpg -quality 80 F.png ---- HTH, Glenn On Saturday 13 September 2008 11:32:32 Donn wrote: > I just discovered something today. > 1. It uses imagemagick. > 2. I dunno about the dpi, but check the man pages for that. > 3. Here's the recipe: > ls *.jpg | sed 's/.jpg//' | xargs -I F convert F -quality 80 F.png > That: > a. picked all jpg files. > b. stripped the .jpg off (using sed) > c. used 'xargs' to handle things like too many files at once and spaces in > names. It also puts the filename into 'F' > (The arg to xargs is a dash capital "i", BTW, not a lower L) > d. calls convert on file 'F' setting quality to 80 and converting to F.png > > You can adjust as you need to. > > HTH > \d -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- The footprints of occupation are beautiful when they are in a museum -- Mahmoud Darwish From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 16:27:01 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:27:01 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131143.06851.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200809131732.32870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809131143.06851.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200809131827.01656.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I think there is a mistake in your recipe: Yes, good catch. \d From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net Sat Sep 13 17:18:38 2008 From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:18:38 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 hangs at shutdown In-Reply-To: <091220081716.29251.48CAA4020005E992000072432202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> References: <091220081716.29251.48CAA4020005E992000072432202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200809131318.39160.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net> On Friday 12 September 2008 13:16:50 pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote (Reply at bottom): > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Jason Straight > > > On Friday 12 September 2008 05:54:10 Paul Kaplan wrote (Reply at bottom): > > > When I attempt to shutdown my system from kde 4.1.1 (not logout but > > > full shutdown), all the kde programs get killed and kde exits to a > > > black screen at which point...nothing. In order to shutdown the system > > > I have to kill X (ctrl+alt+bkspc) which gives me a virtual terminal > > > with a login prompt. I then have to login and issue a shutdown > > > command. > > > > > > Going through the same excercise with kde 3.5.9 doesn't cause this > > > problem and the system shuts down without any help. > > > > > > The fact that I get to a VT suggests that the system has already logged > > > me out and that kdm may be the culprit, but don't forget that it > > > doesn't happen w/ 3.5. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > Paul > > > > Which version of KDM are you using? the 3.5.x or 4.1.1? > > 3.5 > > > -- > > > > | Jason Straight > > | http://www.cafepress.com/jasonrs Hrm, I'm using kdm4 too and I'm not having any problems with that - perhaps worth a try? -- | Jason Straight | http://www.cafepress.com/jasonrs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 17:46:05 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:46:05 +0200 Subject: Probably a stupid question In-Reply-To: <200809111314.04804.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> References: <48C94C79.2000903@swbell.net> <200809111314.04804.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/11 Andrew Jarrett : > On Thursday 11 September 2008 12:51:05 pm Billie Walsh wrote: >> Could someone give some simple command to make it work? Please! > Put the files in some directory somewhere (probably in your home folder). > cd /some/directory/somewhere > ./configure (might not be needed) > sudo make && make install > Not to be picky but i don't see any reason to run make ( compiling) as root. I would rather do it like "make && sudo make install" but that's probably what you meant? / Jonas From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Sep 13 18:24:27 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:24:27 +0200 Subject: syncing In-Reply-To: <200809131031.22457.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200809131031.22457.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: David McGlone schrieb: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if there have been any threads about syncing in the archives? > I'm looking in the archives but it would could take me weeks to find > something on the subject so while I look I figured I'd ask if anyone can > recall anything. > > I'm looking into how to sync my e-mail folders and contacts on the desktop > and laptop. I'm tired of having contacts and e-mail on one or the other and > not both. I checked out Kitchensync and it didn't work, so I at the moment I > have installed multisync. It seems to work except the file that is supposed > to be populated with the synchronized data is always empty. > > David M. > The best sync tool that I know is rsync, which has multiple guis, of wich I only used grsync. imho a bit easier, also with textual and visual interfaces is unison. Both btw. also work from win to lin (ok not on a generic windows but you can install both on windows) and/or vice versa. Kind regards Eberhard From dave at thefletchers.net Sat Sep 13 19:00:06 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:00:06 +0100 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809132000.17219.dave@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width I wrote myself a script to do just this sort of job. See below - this one converts my png files to jpg files at 8x6 inches, 300dpi, for printing at Jessops. Works a treat. Modify as required. Enjoy, everybody! #!/bin/bash for pngname in $(ls --format=single-column *.png) do pngnamecroplen=`expr ${#pngname} - 4` basename=${pngname:0:$pngnamecroplen} echo convert $pngname to $basename.jpg if convert -resize 2400x1800! -density 300 -quality 80 $pngname $basename.jpg then rm -f $pngname fi done Might need to use a text editor to put the convert line back together :-) Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From randy.earl at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 22:10:01 2008 From: randy.earl at gmail.com (Randy) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:10:01 +0200 Subject: syncing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809140010.02074.randy.earl@gmail.com> On Saturday 13 September 2008 17:43:35 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Send kubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kubuntu-users digest..." I had the same desire you do, and came up with two solutions I tested, both of which worked, and found the one I preferred. I settled on a solution using SyncML (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML) which is a protocol common to many clients and servers, which made it ideal for the solution I wanted. I sync across two machines, both of which I dual boot XP and Kubuntu. I wanted to have my email, contacts, and calendar on all of them. There are enough different SyncML client connectors and plugins (see Wikipedia article for a listing) that I could connect on any of my configurations. Basically, the data is synchronized not machine-to-machine, but machine-to-server, so one has to select a SyncML hosting service. There are multiple (again, see Wikipedia for a list), but the one you hear about most often is Scheduleworld.com. I tried that one and didn't like the interface. I settled on Memotoo, which has a very user-friendly interface and I have gotten great tech support from them. They do charge a small fee above certain volumes, but I found it worth it and pay gladly (I think it is about 15 USD per year). There are free services available (last time I looked, and I think Scheduleworld is). There are different SyncML servers, the one I have seen most commonly discussed is Funambol (again, see Wikipedia for a list). So, you put all these three together, and what do you have? Well, there is a Funambol plugin for Thunderbird, so I can sync with Tbird on my Windows PC (not that I really use it any more), and there is also a Funambol plugin for Outlook, although I haven't used it an about a year, but did use the plugin for a while before I quit Outlook. With Evolution I used SyncEvolution very happily to connect to both Scheduleworld and Memotoo (I started with Scheduleworld, and then found and moved to Memotoo). Finally, I found that with Kmail I can have real-time synchronization via WebDAV, and now I am happily hooked on that solution. My calendar, contacts, and tasks are up-to-date on all of my machines all the time. When I travel, even if I don't have my laptop, I have access to my info via the Memotoo website. One other part of the solution, is that I use my Gmail account via IMAP on Kontact and Evolution (when I was testing both), so the same applies with email - I am synched on all machines at all times. As an example of how to do this on Memotoo, here is an explanation of the ways you can connect Kontact to Memotoo: http://www.memotoo.com/mescontacts.php?rub=sync One other thing, there is also a Funambol plugin for my Blackberry, so I sync with it too! (have to install it via a Windows machine, though...). Finally, this is not dead easy; it took a little investment in time to figure this all out, and I'm sure it will take you a little effort to figure it all out on your particular configuration and what you want to do. However, I consider it completely worth the effort, as it was crucial to me to have my email and PIM data the same on all environments. Good luck! Randy Earl From ka8sep at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 14 02:06:55 2008 From: ka8sep at sbcglobal.net (Ted Fischer) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:06:55 -0400 Subject: programing help Message-ID: <48CC71BF.2080001@sbcglobal.net> I want to write a program for kde. I have played with the win API so it shouldn't be hard. I copied the hello world from kde tutorials for the main,cpp and ran the next command ted at ted-tower:~$ g++ main.cpp -o tutoral1 -I$QTDIR/include/Qt -I$QTDIR/include/QtCore -I$QTDIR/ -I$KDEDIR/include/KDE -I$KDEDIR/include -L$KDEDIR/lib -L$QTDIR/lib -lQtCore -lQtGui -lkdeui -lkdecore and then i get the following errors main.cpp:1:23: error: Application: No such file or directory main.cpp:2:22: error: KAboutData: No such file or directory main.cpp:3:24: error: KCmdLineArgs: No such file or directory main.cpp:4:23: error: KMessageBox: No such file or directory main.cpp:39:2: warning: no newline at end of file main.cpp: In function ‘int main(int, char**)’: main.cpp:8: error: ‘KAboutData’ was not declared in this scope main.cpp:8: error: expected `;' before ‘aboutData’ main.cpp:32: error: ‘KCmdLineArgs’ has not been declared main.cpp:32: error: ‘aboutData’ was not declared in this scope main.cpp:33: error: ‘KApplication’ was not declared in this scope main.cpp:33: error: expected `;' before ‘app’ main.cpp:34: error: ‘KGuiItem’ was not declared in this scope main.cpp:34: error: expected `;' before ‘yesButton’ main.cpp:37: error: ‘KMessageBox’ has not been declared main.cpp:37: error: ‘i18n’ was not declared in this scope main.cpp:38: error: ‘yesButton’ was not declared in this scope any ideas? From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 14 06:54:09 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:54:09 +0200 Subject: programing help In-Reply-To: <48CC71BF.2080001@sbcglobal.net> References: <48CC71BF.2080001@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809140854.09329.kassube@gmx.net> Ted Fischer wrote: > I want to write a program for kde. I have played with the win API so it > shouldn't be hard. > > I copied the hello world from kde tutorials for the main,cpp and ran > the next command > > ted at ted-tower:~$ g++ main.cpp -o tutoral1 -I$QTDIR/include/Qt > -I$QTDIR/include/QtCore -I$QTDIR/ -I$KDEDIR/include/KDE > -I$KDEDIR/include -L$KDEDIR/lib -L$QTDIR/lib -lQtCore -lQtGui -lkdeui > -lkdecore > > and then i get the following errors > > main.cpp:1:23: error: Application: No such file or directory > main.cpp:2:22: error: KAboutData: No such file or directory > main.cpp:3:24: error: KCmdLineArgs: No such file or directory > main.cpp:4:23: error: KMessageBox: No such file or directory It looks like you don't have the necessary -dev packages installed. The package "kdebase-dev" should be a good candidate for a start, but look for other packages with a name ending with "-dev" to install. Nils From barnaby at drofle.com Sun Sep 14 09:13:40 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:13:40 +0100 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48CCD5C4.6040503@drofle.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > and a resolution of 72 pdi? Of course with a good quality > as end-result. > I have read some of the answers, and nobody has mentioned phatch. This is on the repositories list (I am using Kubuntu Gutsy) or the web site is http://photobatch.stani.be/ It may be what you are looking for. Neil Winchurst From gloonie at earthlink.net Sun Sep 14 12:27:07 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:27:07 -0400 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <48CCD5C4.6040503@drofle.com> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48CCD5C4.6040503@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809140827.07643.gloonie@earthlink.net> Another is picwiz (in the distribution). On Sunday 14 September 2008 05:13:40 Neil Winchurst wrote: > Peter Klaassen wrote: > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > > and a resolution of 72 pdi? Of course with a good quality > > as end-result. > > I have read some of the answers, and nobody has mentioned phatch. This > is on the repositories list (I am using Kubuntu Gutsy) or the web site is > > http://photobatch.stani.be/ > > It may be what you are looking for. > > Neil Winchurst -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Sun Sep 14 15:27:32 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo El Feo) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:27:32 -0300 Subject: Battery state update Message-ID: <200809141227.32637.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Hello, I've been using KHardy for some time now, before I used KGutsy. When I started Gutsy in my tx1000 laptop without the battey in it's slot, guidance knew that there cold be one and showed me the yellow thrnder only. When I inserted the battery, it updated it's icon and the powermanagement state. This does not happen in Hardy. When I start w/o battery, guidance shows the thunder + battery icon, and battery settings are disabled. And when I insert the battery... nothing happens: no icon change, no state change, no popup message... nothing. That's until I restart guidance with the battery. Then it starts working properly. I'm using Kubuntu 8.04.1 on a HP Pavilion TX1270ep. Does any one knows why or has the same issue?... or maybe knows if this is a feature insted of an error. Thnks, Pablo From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 16:24:00 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:24:00 +0200 Subject: Konsole Message-ID: Anyone know how to get the tabs to stay at the top? I can set it there with the pulldown but everytime I reload it they are back at the bottom. I am afraid the Firefox has made me feel all tabs must be at the top. Thanks all. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 14 16:34:09 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:34:09 +0200 Subject: Konsole In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809141834.09974.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > Anyone know how to get the tabs to stay at the top? I can set it there > with the pulldown but everytime I reload it they are back at the > bottom. Did you save the settings? I.e. Settings -> Save as default (or something similar - this is my translation). Nils From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 16:57:59 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:57:59 +0200 Subject: Konsole In-Reply-To: <200809141834.09974.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200809141834.09974.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> Anyone know how to get the tabs to stay at the top? I can set it there >> with the pulldown but everytime I reload it they are back at the >> bottom. > > Did you save the settings? I.e. Settings -> Save as default (or something > similar - this is my translation). > > > Nils Missed that, thanks. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From admin at asaguiar.med.br Sun Sep 14 17:50:41 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:50:41 -0300 Subject: date navigator fonts Message-ID: <200809141450.42221@asaguiar.email.system> Hi, How can I configure fonts in date navigator kalendar sidebar? It seems to take information from kde system font setup but shows them much, much bigger than in kde. Besides, in one of my machines I am able to shrink date navigator window while in the other two it won't shink beyond a certain limit clearly defined by font size. TIA. Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- But in the new (math) approach, the important thing is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the right answer. -- Tom Lehrer From admin at asaguiar.med.br Sun Sep 14 17:54:57 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:54:57 -0300 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <48CCD5C4.6040503@drofle.com> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48CCD5C4.6040503@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809141454.57790@asaguiar.email.system> Em Domingo 14 Set 2008 às 06:13, Neil Winchurst declarou solenemente: > Peter Klaassen wrote: > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > http://photobatch.stani.be/ > It may be what you are looking for. Phatch is great stuff! Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- We are so accustomed to disguise ourselves to others that in the end we become disguised to ourselves. -- Francois de La Rochefoucauld From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Sep 14 23:16:27 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:16:27 -0700 Subject: KUbuntu 8.10 under VBox. Message-ID: <20080914231627.GB5764@dmiyu.org> I know a few people wondered about the segdfaults from KUbuntu 8.10 under VBox. It is a known issue. However, VBox 2.02 was released just recently and the changelog states that the segfault with 8.10 has been fixed on their end. I can't confirm currently (don't have the Ibex ISO handy) but thought if those people are still reading they may want to get the latest VBox and give it another go. -- Steve C. 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Since using KDEv4.1 I have only sporadic access to my printers (@work and @home). I cannot find the way to add/modify these settings, but it is a real drawback for KDEv4.1. How does one manage its printers? 2. I also tried to compile powerdevil but get the following error [amuls at geod02:/tmp/powerdevil-0.9.0a/build] make [ 4%] Generating powerdeviladaptor.cpp, powerdeviladaptor.h /bin/sh: QT_DBUSXML2CPP_EXECUTABLE-NOTFOUND: not found make[2]: *** [daemon/powerdeviladaptor.cpp] Error 127 make[1]: *** [daemon/CMakeFiles/kded_powerdevil.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 What is wrong here? Tx/Alain -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alain MULS alain.muls at telenet.be CISS-GENA +32.2.7426340 Renaissance Avenue 30 1000 BRUSSELS - Belgium ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk Mon Sep 15 09:56:11 2008 From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (list at loampitsfarm.co.uk) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:56:11 +0100 Subject: repositories Message-ID: <200809151056.11995.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> I've just been trying to install, using synaptic, kmail as the default e-mail client on a computer running xubuntu xfe. I'm getting the error message "http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.5.6-Oubuntu20.1_i386.deb 404 not found". Is it possible to find another repository with this in and add it to sources.list? Andrew Heggie From cary at bielenberg.id.au Mon Sep 15 10:11:34 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:11:34 +1000 Subject: repositories In-Reply-To: <200809151056.11995.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> References: <200809151056.11995.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <48CE34D6.5080101@bielenberg.id.au> Andrew, remove the gb to use the main repo! http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.5.6-Oubuntu20.1_i386.deb Cary list at loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote: > I've just been trying to install, using synaptic, kmail as the > default e-mail client on a computer running xubuntu xfe. I'm getting > the error > message "http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.5.6-Oubuntu20.1_i386.deb > 404 not found". > > Is it possible to find another repository with this in and add it to > sources.list? > > Andrew Heggie > > From cary at bielenberg.id.au Mon Sep 15 10:23:25 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:23:25 +1000 Subject: repositories In-Reply-To: <48CE34D6.5080101@bielenberg.id.au> References: <200809151056.11995.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> <48CE34D6.5080101@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <48CE379D.5000809@bielenberg.id.au> Just tried it & has been replaced, I assume you are using Feisty but I found it here! http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/i386/kdebase-bin/download Cary Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Andrew, remove the gb to use the main repo! > > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.5.6-Oubuntu20.1_i386.deb > > > Cary > > > list at loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote: > >> I've just been trying to install, using synaptic, kmail as the >> default e-mail client on a computer running xubuntu xfe. I'm getting >> the error >> message "http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.5.6-Oubuntu20.1_i386.deb >> 404 not found". >> >> Is it possible to find another repository with this in and add it to >> sources.list? >> >> Andrew Heggie >> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pali.rohar at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 10:21:06 2008 From: pali.rohar at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGFsaSBSb2jDoXI=?=) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:06 +0200 Subject: Lock screen when hibernate or suspend pc via acpi Message-ID: <48CE3712.4060302@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:51:58 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:51:58 +0400 Subject: I'm confused. about jave runtime environment (lack of) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CE5A6E.4010206@gmail.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook пишет: > I have simple shellscript that opens some specific documents with ooffice > from a konsole, and once ooffice spins off, it then proceeds to open a > related text file with vim... > > I was using it in sabayon, But since I just got a brand new hardy > installation all nice and configured I thought I'd see if it worked > just as good under Kubuntu... It does, but I notice that when > openoffice.org 2.4 starts up I see an konsole message about > > "javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!" > > That I wasn't seeing when sabayon fires up openoffice.org 2.3 > It doesn't seem to mater But I don't know WHY ooffice wants java. It > occured to me that some functionality might run better if it has it. > So I searched http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/allpackages for java, and > soon found: > > ia32-sun-java5-bin (1.5.0-15-0ubuntu1) [multiverse] > Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (32-bit) > > Which apt-get said it had been replaced by sun-java5-jre Which I > installed. The next time I ran my script I found out that javaldx still > cant find a runtime environment... > > It probably doesn't mater, I expect to see odd things when I start gui > applications from a konsole But I'd like to think that after I installed > sun-java5-jre, javaldx should have been able to find it... > > Am I missing something stupid here or what??? > > Try setting jvm for ooffice: 1. run ooffice 2. Service > Parameters > openOffice.org > Java 3. Select your java machine there, try your script again From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 15 13:10:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:10:35 -0300 Subject: xdmcp broken References: <48CAA496.3070200@cox.net> <1256837.caal6Z3cmU@cedar.serverforest.com> <48CAEBCA.3070807@cox.net> Message-ID: <1265295.qiXqQiU3HY@cedar.serverforest.com> Jim wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Jim wrote: >> >>> A few days ago I installed kde4 on my Kubuntu box. Before the >>> installation I had xdmcp working so I could log into my kubuntu box >>> without having to go into the other room. I would log in using Xming on >>> my windows xp box. This worked fine. >>> >>> After installing kde4 nothing happens when I try to use Xming to log in. >>> Xming opens with the grey screen and the black x. I didn't change any >>> firewall settings on either box. >> >> Find the kdmrc file - it has an [xdmcp] section, where by default xdmcp >> is turned off. > > Before I installed kde4 the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file allowed xdmcp. I > had it turned on. Here is the xdmcp section from that file. ??? But you've now installed kde4 - why would you expect it to be using /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc? That's why I said to "find" the kdmrc file - because I have no idea where it's going to be in the current kde4 version. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 15 13:19:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:25 -0300 Subject: libc6 broken - Can't install any apps - Hardy 8.04 References: <48CB1D14.8070708@rlknight.com> <1221274362.27636.147.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <1789127.iqBXP20bps@cedar.serverforest.com> Ric Moore wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:53 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > >> Because of the broken libc6-i686 I am unable to install encfs. How can I >> fix this? > > It's been my experience that when the upgrade process upgrades anything > like libc it's best for your machine to be in stupid mode I haven't had a problem with this since the upgrade processed introduced "deferred" processing for ldconfig, but the simple solution for this specific case is usually: # sudo aptitude remove libc6-i686 # sudo aptitude -f install # sudo aptitude ... (ie, whatever you were really trying to do - installing encfs, upgrading, etc) # sudo aptitude install libc6-i686 You never _need_ libc6-i686, it just provides some optimized routines, and it's possible to get libc6 and libc6-i686 out of sync. > , booting from > a CD or DVD image, and it has mounted your file system to make the > change over as either an "fresh install" or "upgrade", not while running > live. You may get lucky and re-boot to find everything peachy or find > everything in smoke and ruins. That's not even worth a . There's nothing funny about a system so b0rked that it can't be upgraded. Personally, I think you're foolishly paranoid, but if you really believe the upgrade process is this dangerous you should be filing bug reports and trying to help fix it. In this particularly case, it can't possibly have anything to do with Rick's upgrade anyway. libc6 doesn't just stop working a week after it's modified. It's got to be the actual encfs install. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 15 13:24:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:24:51 -0300 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. Download KSynaptics from this link. References: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809122132.37052.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <2300311.VeYHjsJBE4@cedar.serverforest.com> Larry Hartman wrote: >> If you really want ksynaptics and can't just find a deb, I'll email you >> the latest one that was in Ubuntu, as I do still have it. > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/ksynaptics > (scroll to very bottom for package types) > > Funny thing....people all over the net advising others to enable Gutsy > repos > in a Hardy installation to get this package. No need to do this > potentially > dangerous notion. Individual packages can be downloaded off the net for > the different versions. > > I provided this link to the general public so that Derek doesn't have to > email it out to the hundreds/thousands of people who are looking for an > easy fix on this issue. That wouldn't have happened:-) There really is nothing even potentially dangerous about enabling the gutsy repos. They contain nothing that a user who has upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy might not already have, and everything that can't run with Hardy gets superceded by the Hardy packages. I would far rather enable Gutsy repos than download a single package, and then another to fix a dependency, and another... Also, having Gutsy enabled has to be far safer than, say, Medibuntu, and I heartily recommend Medibuntu, too. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 15 13:30:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:30:18 -0300 Subject: wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <2a131af80809130351g6388e4acrd367fecc39578d9f@mail.gmail.com> <200809131326.09909.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1776429.WRXIhVhaZ0@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > Saturday 13 September 2008 11:51:27 に Robert Costa さんは書きました: >> can you post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and > > Herewith. The /etc/network/interfaces file has been generated by Kubuntu, > and > I currently have the Ralink configured to static. When it is configured > to DHCP it vanishes from /etc/network/interfaces. As it should. How did you get Kubutu to "generate" this - I've never known it to generate static interfaces, you have to do that. > > iface wlan0 inet static > address 192.168.0.8 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > wireless-essid Chitose This should not be here - it's turning off Network Manager. -- derek From jnantz at cox.net Mon Sep 15 15:24:30 2008 From: jnantz at cox.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:24:30 -0700 Subject: xdmcp broken In-Reply-To: <1265295.qiXqQiU3HY@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48CAA496.3070200@cox.net> <1256837.caal6Z3cmU@cedar.serverforest.com> <48CAEBCA.3070807@cox.net> <1265295.qiXqQiU3HY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48CE7E2E.5040606@cox.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Jim wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Jim wrote: >>> >>>> A few days ago I installed kde4 on my Kubuntu box. Before the >>>> installation I had xdmcp working so I could log into my kubuntu box >>>> without having to go into the other room. I would log in using Xming on >>>> my windows xp box. This worked fine. >>>> >>>> After installing kde4 nothing happens when I try to use Xming to log in. >>>> Xming opens with the grey screen and the black x. I didn't change any >>>> firewall settings on either box. >>> Find the kdmrc file - it has an [xdmcp] section, where by default xdmcp >>> is turned off. >> Before I installed kde4 the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file allowed xdmcp. I >> had it turned on. Here is the xdmcp section from that file. > > ??? > > But you've now installed kde4 - why would you expect it to be > using /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc? That's why I said to "find" the kdmrc file - > because I have no idea where it's going to be in the current kde4 version. I installed kde4 while leaving kde3 installed. The kdmrc for kde 4 is at /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Sep 15 16:27:32 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:27:32 -0400 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809131550.33411.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200809131550.33411.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <200809151227.32702.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Saturday 13 September 2008, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Saturday 13 September 2008 15:08:09 Peter Klaassen wrote: > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > > and a resolution of 72 pdi? Of course with a good quality > > as end-result. > > I use package konq-kim for just that. In konquerer, when going to a > directory with images only, select all or some, right-click and > select 'actions'. Then, choose from several options, such > as 'compress and resize with Kim', 'rename' , 'create web gallery' > etc.. +1 vote for konq-kim. From rick_knight at rlknight.com Mon Sep 15 16:29:17 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:29:17 -0700 Subject: libc6 broken - Can't install any apps - Hardy 8.04 In-Reply-To: <1789127.iqBXP20bps@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48CB1D14.8070708@rlknight.com> <1221274362.27636.147.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1789127.iqBXP20bps@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48CE8D5D.3050904@rlknight.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > >> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:53 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: >> >> >>> Because of the broken libc6-i686 I am unable to install encfs. How can I >>> fix this? >>> >> It's been my experience that when the upgrade process upgrades anything >> like libc it's best for your machine to be in stupid mode >> > > I haven't had a problem with this since the upgrade processed > introduced "deferred" processing for ldconfig, but the simple solution for > this specific case is usually: > > # sudo aptitude remove libc6-i686 > # sudo aptitude -f install > # sudo aptitude ... > (ie, whatever you were really trying to do - installing encfs, upgrading, > etc) > # sudo aptitude install libc6-i686 > > You never _need_ libc6-i686, it just provides some optimized routines, and > it's possible to get libc6 and libc6-i686 out of sync. > I removed hardy-proposed and ran apt-get update and then dpkg --configure -a. That removed libc6-dev. Tonight I'll try what you suggest above. I was able to install encfs, but I have another app that won't install, gramofile. Maybe that will solve that problem. > >> , booting from >> a CD or DVD image, and it has mounted your file system to make the >> change over as either an "fresh install" or "upgrade", not while running >> live. You may get lucky and re-boot to find everything peachy or find >> everything in smoke and ruins. >> > > That's not even worth a . There's nothing funny about a system so > b0rked that it can't be upgraded. Personally, I think you're foolishly > paranoid, but if you really believe the upgrade process is this dangerous > you should be filing bug reports and trying to help fix it. > > In this particularly case, it can't possibly have anything to do with Rick's > upgrade anyway. libc6 doesn't just stop working a week after it's > modified. It's got to be the actual encfs install. > Thanks Derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 15 17:20:16 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:20:16 +0200 Subject: update notifier Message-ID: <200809151920.16651.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> On my old machine update notifier wasń working. on my new machine in khardy all works fine except for 1 update for k3b. it looks as if the update is installed but the notifie rkeeps coming back, even if there are other updates. any idea? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 15 17:21:03 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:21:03 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809132000.17219.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200809132000.17219.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200809151921.03947.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Saturday 13 September 2008 21:00:06 schreef David Fletcher: > On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width I found aut that digikam can handle these batches very well. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 15 17:34:36 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:34:36 -0500 Subject: update notifier In-Reply-To: <200809151920.16651.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809151920.16651.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48CE9CAC.8010503@swbell.net> Peter Klaassen wrote: > On my old machine update notifier wasń working. > on my new machine in khardy all works fine except for > 1 update for k3b. it looks as if the update is installed > but the notifie rkeeps coming back, even if there are > other updates. > any idea? > I opened Adept and did the install from there and the notifier went away. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Sep 15 17:44:35 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:44:35 -0700 Subject: update notifier In-Reply-To: <200809151920.16651.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809151920.16651.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809151044.35621.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 15 September 2008 10:20:16 am Peter Klaassen wrote: > On my old machine update notifier wasń working. > on my new machine in khardy all works fine except for > 1 update for k3b. it looks as if the update is installed > but the notifie rkeeps coming back, even if there are > other updates. > any idea? I clicked on the little triangle icon in the system tray and installed from there. It removes an obsolete file and updates or replaces three others. Have seen no ill effects as of yet! :) From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 19:32:43 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:32:43 +0100 Subject: wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <1776429.WRXIhVhaZ0@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200809131326.09909.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <1776429.WRXIhVhaZ0@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809152032.43803.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Monday 15 Sep 2008 14:30:18 に Derek Broughton さんは書きました: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Saturday 13 September 2008 11:51:27 に Robert Costa さんは書きました: > >> can you post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and > > > > Herewith. The /etc/network/interfaces file has been generated by > > Kubuntu, and > > I currently have the Ralink configured to static. When it is configured > > to DHCP it vanishes from /etc/network/interfaces. > > As it should. How did you get Kubutu to "generate" this - I've never known > it to generate static interfaces, you have to do that. > > > iface wlan0 inet static > > address 192.168.0.8 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > wireless-essid Chitose > > This should not be here - it's turning off Network Manager. It was put there by Network Manager. I deleted the whole network interfaces file and let Network Manager regenerate it as it wished, or didn't wish. All that information was answers I gave to questions in Network Manager. I did nothing to the interfaces file except read it. And I posted it in answer to a question. I am finding Network Manager a nightmare. :-( Give me an editable interfaces file any day. But Kubuntu is willing to accept Japanese input from the keyboard, albeit only in K apps. So I have somehow got to live with this. Anyhow, thanks for your reply. I am about to try NDISwrapper and the Windows driver. Or can anyone recommend a wireless chipset that Kubuntu can run on DHCP otb? Lisi From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Tue Sep 16 01:11:33 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:11:33 -0400 Subject: hardy on amd laptop. Download KSynaptics from this link. In-Reply-To: <2300311.VeYHjsJBE4@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <39418035.7l5tbQNFgo@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809122132.37052.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <2300311.VeYHjsJBE4@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 15, Derek Broughton did say: > There really is nothing even potentially dangerous about enabling the gutsy > repos. They contain nothing that a user who has upgraded from Gutsy to > Hardy might not already have, and everything that can't run with Hardy gets > superceded by the Hardy packages. I would far rather enable Gutsy repos > than download a single package, and then another to fix a dependency, and > another... Hmmmnnn Good to know! If I got you right this would be safe even IF you had done a clean install to hardy and therefore never had gutsy? > Also, having Gutsy enabled has to be far safer than, say, Medibuntu, and I > heartily recommend Medibuntu, too. Now THAT IS interesting... I must confess to living under a rock or something... But this is the very first time I heard of this Medibuntu. I try to spend more time using my computer than thinking about upgrading it's OSs... I just googled, found, and read a bit. Basically I do believe I'll be adding this to my sources... Thanks for mentioning it... -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From rscrawford at mossroot.com Tue Sep 16 04:35:21 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35:21 -0700 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE Message-ID: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. Firefox) with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> Appearance, and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option is gone now, and now my GTK applications look awful. Any suggestions, anyone? -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From tycho at tycho.ws Tue Sep 16 04:47:29 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:47:29 -0500 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400809152147m6ccc6c5flf19a86aaadd0040c@mail.gmail.com> Richard: Are you using KDE 3.5 or 4.1? In 4.1 the option is exactly where you described (at least for me). Tycho On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. Firefox) > with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> Appearance, > and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option is gone now, and > now my GTK applications look awful. > > Any suggestions, anyone? > > -- > Slainte, > Richard S. Crawford > Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) > Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Sep 16 07:27:25 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:27:25 +0100 Subject: Firefox problem Message-ID: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> Here's a strange one.... I was updating my blog on my personal website, using FF when suddenly it (the blog) stopped responding. I have looked into this and found out that .... FF will not open my website at all, not even the index file, with the following error message ------------------------- Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, neil at holsdev.vispa.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. NOYB Server at www.pamneil.com Port 80 --------------------------- but, my other browsers (Opera and Seamonkey) will open up my web site as normal and I can also then access my blog, photoblog etc as usual. Firefox works just fine on everything else including my other personal web site. It is just the one website that is failing. And why there is a reference to vispa I do not know. That is an email address that I use just occasionally and not today at all. Anyone any ideas please? Neil Winchurst From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 07:59:07 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:59:07 +0200 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809160959.07398.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Firefox works just fine on everything else including my other personal > web site. It is just the one website that is failing. Odd indeed -- try again because that's a server-side error. But it could be something in your cache gumming the works. Try to clear cache, cookies, history etc. Also, run FF from a konsole and go to your site, perhaps there will be a clue. \d From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Sep 16 07:57:43 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:57:43 +0100 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <200809160959.07398.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809160959.07398.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CF66F7.9090707@drofle.com> Donn wrote: >> Firefox works just fine on everything else including my other personal >> web site. It is just the one website that is failing. > > Odd indeed -- try again because that's a server-side error. But it could be > something in your cache gumming the works. Try to clear cache, cookies, > history etc. > > Also, run FF from a konsole and go to your site, perhaps there will be a clue. > > \d > I had already tried after clearing out my so called 'private data' and that made no difference. History is empty because I don't keep it. Edit > Preferences > Privacy > Remember visited pages for the last 0 days. By putting zero in there no history is kept. Checking my cookies list there are many items listed, very many in fact. If I clear them all out won't that cause me problems with other sites? When you refer to 'cache' what do you mean exactly? Thanks for any help Neil Winchurst From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 08:14:50 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:14:50 +0200 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. Firefox) > with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> Appearance, > and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option is gone now, and > now my GTK applications look awful. Is gtk-qt-engine still installed? -- Gordon. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 08:35:00 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:35:00 +0200 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <48CF66F7.9090707@drofle.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809160959.07398.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48CF66F7.9090707@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809161035.00806.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday, 16 September 2008 09:57:43 Neil Winchurst wrote: > When you refer to 'cache' what do you mean exactly? You pretty much got it in the 'clear private data' menu. Clear all that you can stand. OR Make a new Firefox profile and try from there. If it works, then it's something in your old profile and you can decide further. Run something like: firefox -a blah then create a new profile and test it with that profile. Have you tried the run-from-konsole trick yet? \d From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 08:25:02 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:25:02 +0200 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <48CF66F7.9090707@drofle.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809160959.07398.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48CF66F7.9090707@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809161025.02160.valtermura@gmail.com> Il martedì 16 settembre 2008 09:57:43 Neil Winchurst ha scritto: > Donn wrote: > >> Firefox works just fine on everything else including my other personal > >> web site. It is just the one website that is failing. > > > > Odd indeed -- try again because that's a server-side error. But it could > > be something in your cache gumming the works. Try to clear cache, > > cookies, history etc. > > > > Also, run FF from a konsole and go to your site, perhaps there will be a > > clue. > > > > \d > > I had already tried after clearing out my so called 'private data' and > that made no difference. History is empty because I don't keep it. > > Edit > Preferences > Privacy > Remember visited pages for the last 0 days. > > By putting zero in there no history is kept. > > Checking my cookies list there are many items listed, very many in fact. > If I clear them all out won't that cause me problems with other sites? > > When you refer to 'cache' what do you mean exactly? Pages stored in the comp for a quick access (tipically "/home/user/.mozilla/firefox/phuzym13.default(I don't know if you have the same name here)/Cache/") -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From lydia at kde.org Tue Sep 16 08:33:55 2008 From: lydia at kde.org (Lydia Pintscher) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:33:55 +0200 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <938b46780809160133g6106fbadld1ccbf05579ad41b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > >> I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. Firefox) >> with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> Appearance, >> and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option is gone now, and >> now my GTK applications look awful. > Is gtk-qt-engine still installed? I had the same problem here. I fixed it by going to systemsettings -> appereance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and setting it to "use my KDE style in GTK applications". Before that it was set to "use another Style" and the dropdown was empty. I am pretty sure it was not empty before but I am not sure what I had set it to. gtk-qt-engine is installed as well as gtk-qt-engine-kde4. I am CC'ing Harald so he can have a look. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher Amarok community manager kde.org - amarok.kde.org - kubuntu.org claimid.com/nightrose From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 08:50:24 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:50:24 +0100 Subject: Further to wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <200809152032.43803.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <1776429.WRXIhVhaZ0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809152032.43803.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809160950.24936.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Monday 15 Sep 2008 20:32:43 に Lisi Reisz さんは書きました: > I am finding Network Manager a nightmare. :-(  Give me an editable > interfaces file any day. Googling leads me to suppose that I can remove Network Manager. Has anyone any ( helpful ;-0 ) comments? TIA Lisi From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 09:17:47 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:17:47 +0100 Subject: Further to wireless network connections on Kubuntu 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <200809160950.24936.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809131055.20470.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200809152032.43803.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <200809160950.24936.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809161017.47682.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Tuesday 16 Sep 2008 09:50:24 に Lisi Reisz さんは書きました: > Monday 15 Sep 2008 20:32:43 に Lisi Reisz さんは書きました: > > I am finding Network Manager a nightmare. :-(  Give me an editable > > interfaces file any day. > > Googling leads me to suppose that I can remove Network Manager. > > Has anyone any ( helpful ;-0 ) comments? In part answer to my own question, I have found this: But I would still value comments, particularly on the best way to go to retain any advantages that Network Manager may have, but wrest networking from its grasp. TIA Lisi From admin at asaguiar.med.br Tue Sep 16 10:45:05 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:45:05 -0300 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809160745.05572@asaguiar.email.system> Dear Neil Winchurst, Em Terça 16 Set 2008 às 04:27, Neil Winchurst escreveu: > FF will not open my website at all, not even the index file, with the > following error message > ------------------------- > Internal Server Error This kind of error happens at the server before browser checks for cache, etc. It is also unlikely that a blog, an application that uses dynamic pages, is ever cached. Your service provider's server has a problem. Not FF. My 2 cents. Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- Quote from actual Medical Records (U.S.): On the second day the knee was better and on the third day it had completely disappeared. From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 12:40:49 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:40:49 +0100 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <200809161340.49989.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> Hi On Tuesday 16 September 2008 05:35:21 Richard S. Crawford wrote: > I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. > Firefox) with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System > Settings -> Appearance, and there'd be an option for GTK > applications. That option is gone now, and now my GTK applications > look awful. > > Any suggestions, anyone? This happened to me after I installed KDE 4.1 alongside KDE 3.5.10. Used Google for more info. Can't find anything. Since it only occurred after KDE 4.1 was installed I can only assume that this is something to do with the immaturity of KDE 4.xx in comparison with KDE 3.xx. For example, in the KDE 4.1 version of Konsole there isn't a button in the bottom left of the application to allow you to open a new bash session. You have to use the menu at the top of Konsole instead. -- Richard From apachelogger at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 16 13:42:12 2008 From: apachelogger at ubuntu.com (Harald Sitter) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:42:12 +0200 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <938b46780809160133g6106fbadld1ccbf05579ad41b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> <938b46780809160133g6106fbadld1ccbf05579ad41b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809161542.13137.apachelogger@ubuntu.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 10:33:55 Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Gordon Schulz wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > >> I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. > >> Firefox) with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> > >> Appearance, and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option > >> is gone now, and now my GTK applications look awful. > > > > Is gtk-qt-engine still installed? > > I had the same problem here. I fixed it by going to systemsettings -> > appereance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and setting it to "use my KDE style > in GTK applications". Before that it was set to "use another Style" > and the dropdown was empty. I am pretty sure it was not empty before > but I am not sure what I had set it to. > > gtk-qt-engine is installed as well as gtk-qt-engine-kde4. You probably have to do as described by Lydia ... at least in KDE 4. gtk-qt-engine from the KDE 4 PPA is the same as -kde4, so you won't be able to theme properly in KDE 3 anymore. The reason is that we have to force a switch to the Qt 4 version of gtk-qt- engine, otherwise flash in KDE 4's Konqueror is going down in no time. We came to the decision that ugly GTK in KDE 3 is better than a crashy konqueror in KDE 4. You can however add a file named '/etc/apt/preferences' with the following content: Package: gtk-qt-engine gtk-qt-engine-kde4 Pin: release o=Ubuntu Pin-Priority: 1001 This will give the official packages higher priority than the PPA ones and prevent an upgrade. It will also downgrade the package to the official version in case you already upgraded. I'd like to note that you should really stick with the broken GTK theming in KDE 3 if you use Konqueror 4. Also, if you are using KDE 3 and are affacted, you shouldn't leave unused repositories in your sources list (we made this decision partly based on the assumption that people who constantly have the KDE 4 PPA in the sources list, are actually using KDE 4). Regards, Harald From rscrawford at mossroot.com Tue Sep 16 15:08:33 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:08:33 -0700 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200809160808.34010.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 01:14:50 Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. > > Firefox) with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> > > Appearance, and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option is > > gone now, and now my GTK applications look awful. > > Is gtk-qt-engine still installed? Yep. I've uninstalled and reinstalled it several times. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From rscrawford at mossroot.com Tue Sep 16 15:09:39 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:09:39 -0700 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <938b46780809160133g6106fbadld1ccbf05579ad41b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <20080916081450.GA9457@slug.azmolan> <938b46780809160133g6106fbadld1ccbf05579ad41b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809160809.39684.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 01:33:55 Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Gordon Schulz wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > >> I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. > >> Firefox) with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings -> > >> Appearance, and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That option > >> is gone now, and now my GTK applications look awful. > > > > Is gtk-qt-engine still installed? > > I had the same problem here. I fixed it by going to systemsettings -> > appereance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and setting it to "use my KDE style > in GTK applications". Before that it was set to "use another Style" > and the dropdown was empty. I am pretty sure it was not empty before > but I am not sure what I had set it to. The problem, though, is that I no longer have that option under Appearance. It used to be there; now it's gone. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From rscrawford at mossroot.com Tue Sep 16 15:12:40 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:12:40 -0700 Subject: GTK apps appearance under KDE In-Reply-To: <200809161542.13137.apachelogger@ubuntu.com> References: <200809152135.21248.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <938b46780809160133g6106fbadld1ccbf05579ad41b@mail.gmail.com> <200809161542.13137.apachelogger@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200809160812.40205.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 06:42:12 Harald Sitter wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 10:33:55 Lydia Pintscher wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Gordon Schulz > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:35, Richard S. Crawford > > > > > wrote: > > >> I seem to have lost the ability to style my GTK applications (e.g. > > >> Firefox) with my KDE look. I used to be able to go to System Settings > > >> -> Appearance, and there'd be an option for GTK applications. That > > >> option is gone now, and now my GTK applications look awful. > > > > > > Is gtk-qt-engine still installed? > > > > I had the same problem here. I fixed it by going to systemsettings -> > > appereance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and setting it to "use my KDE style > > in GTK applications". Before that it was set to "use another Style" > > and the dropdown was empty. I am pretty sure it was not empty before > > but I am not sure what I had set it to. > > > > gtk-qt-engine is installed as well as gtk-qt-engine-kde4. > > You probably have to do as described by Lydia ... at least in KDE 4. > > gtk-qt-engine from the KDE 4 PPA is the same as -kde4, so you won't be able > to theme properly in KDE 3 anymore. > > The reason is that we have to force a switch to the Qt 4 version of gtk-qt- > engine, otherwise flash in KDE 4's Konqueror is going down in no time. We > came to the decision that ugly GTK in KDE 3 is better than a crashy > konqueror in KDE 4. > > You can however add a file named '/etc/apt/preferences' with the following > content: > Package: gtk-qt-engine gtk-qt-engine-kde4 > Pin: release o=Ubuntu > Pin-Priority: 1001 > > This will give the official packages higher priority than the PPA ones and > prevent an upgrade. It will also downgrade the package to the official > version in case you already upgraded. > > I'd like to note that you should really stick with the broken GTK theming > in KDE 3 if you use Konqueror 4. > Also, if you are using KDE 3 and are affacted, you shouldn't leave unused > repositories in your sources list (we made this decision partly based on > the assumption that people who constantly have the KDE 4 PPA in the sources > list, are actually using KDE 4). > > Regards, > Harald I got it. Thanks, Harald. As it is, I'm still using KDE 3. I do have KDE 4 installed and have tried it a couple of times, but I don't really have the patience to sit down and make it as useful to me as the KDE 3 desktop I've tuned over the years. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Sep 16 15:26:10 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:26:10 +0100 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <200809160745.05572@asaguiar.email.system> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809160745.05572@asaguiar.email.system> Message-ID: <48CFD012.80001@drofle.com> Alexandre Aguiar wrote: > Dear Neil Winchurst, > > Em Terça 16 Set 2008 às 04:27, Neil Winchurst escreveu: >> FF will not open my website at all, not even the index file, with the >> following error message >> ------------------------- >> Internal Server Error > > This kind of error happens at the server before browser checks for cache, > etc. It is also unlikely that a blog, an application that uses dynamic > pages, is ever cached. > > Your service provider's server has a problem. Not FF. > > My 2 cents. > > > Alexandre > I have already checked with my service provider and he says that everything looks normal. No error messages. Neil From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Sep 16 15:27:45 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:27:45 +0100 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <200809161035.00806.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809160959.07398.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48CF66F7.9090707@drofle.com> <200809161035.00806.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CFD071.4030602@drofle.com> Donn wrote: > On Tuesday, 16 September 2008 09:57:43 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> When you refer to 'cache' what do you mean exactly? > You pretty much got it in the 'clear private data' menu. Clear all that you > can stand. > > OR > > Make a new Firefox profile and try from there. If it works, then it's > something in your old profile and you can decide further. > > Run something like: > firefox -a blah > then create a new profile and test it with that profile. > > Have you tried the run-from-konsole trick yet? > > \d > Yes. No error messages. FF starts up normally. Neil From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Sep 16 15:35:54 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:35:54 +0100 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <200809160745.05572@asaguiar.email.system> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809160745.05572@asaguiar.email.system> Message-ID: <48CFD25A.4050102@drofle.com> Alexandre Aguiar wrote: > Dear Neil Winchurst, > > Em Terça 16 Set 2008 às 04:27, Neil Winchurst escreveu: >> FF will not open my website at all, not even the index file, with the >> following error message >> ------------------------- >> Internal Server Error > > This kind of error happens at the server before browser checks for cache, > etc. It is also unlikely that a blog, an application that uses dynamic > pages, is ever cached. > > Your service provider's server has a problem. Not FF. > > My 2 cents. > > > Alexandre > Further to my previous answer, as I have said, my other browsers (Opera and Seamonkey and also Konqueror) all work fine. I can open up my web site with them all, no problem. It is only FF that has a problem and only with my web site. Otherwise, FF is working as normal. So I do not think that it can be the server. If it were, surely nothing would work??? Neil From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Sep 16 16:23:49 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:23:49 -0700 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <48CFD071.4030602@drofle.com> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809161035.00806.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48CFD071.4030602@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809160923.49190.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 8:27:45 am Neil Winchurst wrote: > Donn wrote: > > On Tuesday, 16 September 2008 09:57:43 Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> When you refer to 'cache' what do you mean exactly? > > > > You pretty much got it in the 'clear private data' menu. Clear all that > > you can stand. > > > > OR > > > > Make a new Firefox profile and try from there. If it works, then it's > > something in your old profile and you can decide further. > > > > Run something like: > > firefox -a blah > > then create a new profile and test it with that profile. > > > > Have you tried the run-from-konsole trick yet? > > > > \d > > Yes. No error messages. FF starts up normally. I don't think it is the start-up messages they are looking for, it is the messages konsole would give when trying to display your problem page they would be interested in. What happens when someone else's Firefox encounters your page? Or is this just happening while editing the page? From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 16 17:25:08 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:25:08 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems Message-ID: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> I recently downloaded a user manual from Mackie.com: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/onyx1640_om.pdf After downloading it I wanted to print it - but it would only print some colored heading but not the actual text. This was using both Adobe Reader 8 and KPDF. Actually I couldn't even highlight and copy any text (the resulting box only gave the option of copying a graphic to the clipboard). I ended up printing it from my wife's XP computer at work. Why should the Windows version of Adobe Reader 8 print it when the Linux version wouldn't? OK. things got stranger. I also use Scribus and somebody offered a script to reduce the size of large PDF's. It uses pdftops and pstopdf with a simple perl script (being lazy and tired, I just ran the script on the PDF - 'just to see'). Anyway, there were a couple of errors: nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ ./compress-newsletter.pl /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf Running pdftk ... Error: Failed to open PDF file: /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf OWNER PASSWORD REQUIRED, but not given (or incorrect) Errors encountered. No output created. Done. Input errors, so no output created. Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at ./compress-newsletter.pl line 202. Running pdftops ... Running gs ... Running pdfopt ... -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2071083 2008-09-15 19:13 /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om_new.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 1897192 2008-09-06 15:25 /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 63134149 2008-09-15 19:12 /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.ps_8U1cYk -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2068838 2008-09-15 19:13 /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.tmp_XXJ0Db nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ but it did produce a PDF that I could highlight and copy text from - but on copying the text (and some graphics) into OpenOffice - it still wouldn't print (as if the text was invisible) BUT, and this is a bit weird - I then changed the fonts/text to a different color (80% gray - I try to save ink!) and it printed!!?? What's going on? Anybody care to enlighten me? TIA Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Sep 16 17:26:28 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:26:28 +0100 Subject: Firefox problem In-Reply-To: <200809160923.49190.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48CF5FDD.1000909@drofle.com> <200809161035.00806.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <48CFD071.4030602@drofle.com> <200809160923.49190.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <48CFEC44.70606@drofle.com> Pastor JW wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 8:27:45 am Neil Winchurst wrote: >> Donn wrote: >>> On Tuesday, 16 September 2008 09:57:43 Neil Winchurst wrote: >>>> When you refer to 'cache' what do you mean exactly? >>> You pretty much got it in the 'clear private data' menu. Clear all that >>> you can stand. >>> >>> OR >>> >>> Make a new Firefox profile and try from there. If it works, then it's >>> something in your old profile and you can decide further. >>> >>> Run something like: >>> firefox -a blah >>> then create a new profile and test it with that profile. >>> >>> Have you tried the run-from-konsole trick yet? >>> >>> \d >> Yes. No error messages. FF starts up normally. > > I don't think it is the start-up messages they are looking for, it is the > messages konsole would give when trying to display your problem page they > would be interested in. What happens when someone else's Firefox encounters > your page? Or is this just happening while editing the page? > Don't ask me why or how, but suddenly it is working properly again. Firefox will now open my web site as normal and everything is back as it should be. Computers, don't you just love them!!! Neil From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 17:34:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:34:51 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : > I recently downloaded a user manual from Mackie.com: > http://www.mackie.com/pdf/onyx1640_om.pdf > > After downloading it I wanted to print it - but it would only print some colored heading but not > the actual text. This was using both Adobe Reader 8 and KPDF. Actually I couldn't even highlight > and copy any text (the resulting box only gave the option of copying a graphic to the clipboard). > > I ended up printing it from my wife's XP computer at work. Why should the Windows version of > Adobe Reader 8 print it when the Linux version wouldn't? > > OK. things got stranger. I also use Scribus and somebody offered a script to reduce the size of > large PDF's. It uses pdftops and pstopdf with a simple perl script (being lazy and tired, I just > ran the script on the PDF - 'just to see'). > Anyway, there were a couple of errors: > > nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ ./compress-newsletter.pl > /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf > Running pdftk ... > Error: Failed to open PDF file: > /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf > OWNER PASSWORD REQUIRED, but not given (or incorrect) > Errors encountered. No output created. > Done. Input errors, so no output created. > Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at ./compress-newsletter.pl line 202. > Running pdftops ... > Running gs ... > Running pdfopt ... > -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2071083 2008-09-15 19:13 > /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om_new.pdf > -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 1897192 2008-09-06 15:25 > /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf > -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 63134149 2008-09-15 19:12 > /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.ps_8U1cYk > -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2068838 2008-09-15 19:13 > /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.tmp_XXJ0Db > nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ > > but it did produce a PDF that I could highlight and copy text from - but on copying the text (and > some graphics) into OpenOffice - it still wouldn't print (as if the text was invisible) BUT, and > this is a bit weird - I then changed the fonts/text to a different color (80% gray - I try to > save ink!) and it printed!!?? > > What's going on? Anybody care to enlighten me? > Nigel, for me on Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.10 the PDF opened fine in Okular. I could copy text (text, not only image) and test prionting in the Print Preview and Print To PDF both worked fine. Which KDE do you use? How does Print To PDF turn out? As the problem is common to both KPDF and to Acrobat, which I do not think share any code, I suspect your print drivers (or even the printer, if it is not the same machine as your wife connects to). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 16 17:40:26 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:40:26 +0300 Subject: adding protocols to Firefox Message-ID: <48CFEF8A.6000209@rmk.co.il> I often visit a news site in Israel and their news video for linux requires that Firefox associate a program with the protocol 'mms'. The website video page is: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/TV/Linux.aspx The actual error message from Firefox: Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (mms) isn't associated with any program. So how do I 'associate' a program (probably mplayer). Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From gloonie at earthlink.net Tue Sep 16 17:46:51 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:46:51 -0400 Subject: adding protocols to Firefox In-Reply-To: <48CFEF8A.6000209@rmk.co.il> References: <48CFEF8A.6000209@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200809161346.51565.gloonie@earthlink.net> Nigel, here are some instructions I found at http://www.cinlug.org/node/316 (1.) Open Firefox and type "about:config" (no quotes) in the address window, and click enter. (2.) Right click on the window and choose , then from the pop-up menu that appears. (3.) In the first pop-up box, enter: "network.protocol-handler.app.mms" (no quotes, and it might just be easier to cut 'n paste this into the box). (4.) In the next pop-up box enter the path to Kaffeine (e.g. "/usr/bin/kaffeine"). (5.) Now, click in the main window again but choose (6.) In the first pop-up box, enter: "network.protocol-handler.external.mms" (7.) In the second pop-up select . I'm pretty sure I did this to make it work (substituting mplayer) HTH, Glenn On Tuesday 16 September 2008 13:40:26 Nigel Ridley wrote: > I often visit a news site in Israel and their news video for linux requires > that Firefox associate a program with the protocol 'mms'. > The website video page is: > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/TV/Linux.aspx > > The actual error message from Firefox: > Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (mms) > isn't associated with any program. > > So how do I 'associate' a program (probably mplayer). > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 16 17:58:35 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:58:35 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : >> I recently downloaded a user manual from Mackie.com: >> http://www.mackie.com/pdf/onyx1640_om.pdf >> >> After downloading it I wanted to print it - but it would only print some colored heading but not >> the actual text. This was using both Adobe Reader 8 and KPDF. Actually I couldn't even highlight >> and copy any text (the resulting box only gave the option of copying a graphic to the clipboard). >> >> I ended up printing it from my wife's XP computer at work. Why should the Windows version of >> Adobe Reader 8 print it when the Linux version wouldn't? >> >> OK. things got stranger. I also use Scribus and somebody offered a script to reduce the size of >> large PDF's. It uses pdftops and pstopdf with a simple perl script (being lazy and tired, I just >> ran the script on the PDF - 'just to see'). >> Anyway, there were a couple of errors: >> >> nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ ./compress-newsletter.pl >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf >> Running pdftk ... >> Error: Failed to open PDF file: >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf >> OWNER PASSWORD REQUIRED, but not given (or incorrect) >> Errors encountered. No output created. >> Done. Input errors, so no output created. >> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at ./compress-newsletter.pl line 202. >> Running pdftops ... >> Running gs ... >> Running pdfopt ... >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2071083 2008-09-15 19:13 >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om_new.pdf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 1897192 2008-09-06 15:25 >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 63134149 2008-09-15 19:12 >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.ps_8U1cYk >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2068838 2008-09-15 19:13 >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.tmp_XXJ0Db >> nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ >> >> but it did produce a PDF that I could highlight and copy text from - but on copying the text (and >> some graphics) into OpenOffice - it still wouldn't print (as if the text was invisible) BUT, and >> this is a bit weird - I then changed the fonts/text to a different color (80% gray - I try to >> save ink!) and it printed!!?? >> >> What's going on? Anybody care to enlighten me? >> > > Nigel, for me on Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.10 the PDF opened fine in > Okular. I could copy text (text, not only image) and test prionting in > the Print Preview and Print To PDF both worked fine. > > Which KDE do you use? How does Print To PDF turn out? As the problem > is common to both KPDF and to Acrobat, which I do not think share any > code, I suspect your print drivers (or even the printer, if it is not > the same machine as your wife connects to). > Hi Dotan, Using KPDf I can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. If I open it in Acroread and print to file, then open the resulting .ps with KGhostView, I again can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. Actually the printer (an Epson Stylus CX3700) does all the sounds and mechanical works - I can hear the print head going back and forward, nice and slowly as if it's printing something but it's invisible! It just prints a piece of text on the side column (vertically) "Owner's manual ONYX 1640" in a light blue color. My wife's XP box is in her office at work - not connected at all to mine (at home). I am using Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 16 18:05:45 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:05:45 -0400 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200809161405.50878.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 1:58:35 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : > >> I recently downloaded a user manual from Mackie.com: > >> http://www.mackie.com/pdf/onyx1640_om.pdf > >> > >> After downloading it I wanted to print it - but it would only print some > >> colored heading but not the actual text. This was using both Adobe > >> Reader 8 and KPDF. Actually I couldn't even highlight and copy any text > >> (the resulting box only gave the option of copying a graphic to the > >> clipboard). > >> > >> I ended up printing it from my wife's XP computer at work. Why should > >> the Windows version of Adobe Reader 8 print it when the Linux version > >> wouldn't? > >> > >> OK. things got stranger. I also use Scribus and somebody offered a > >> script to reduce the size of large PDF's. It uses pdftops and pstopdf > >> with a simple perl script (being lazy and tired, I just ran the script > >> on the PDF - 'just to see'). > >> Anyway, there were a couple of errors: > >> > >> nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ ./compress-newsletter.pl > >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf > >> Running pdftk ... > >> Error: Failed to open PDF file: > >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf > >> OWNER PASSWORD REQUIRED, but not given (or incorrect) > >> Errors encountered. No output created. > >> Done. Input errors, so no output created. > >> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at > >> ./compress-newsletter.pl line 202. Running pdftops ... > >> Running gs ... > >> Running pdfopt ... > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2071083 2008-09-15 19:13 > >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om_new.pdf > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 1897192 2008-09-06 15:25 > >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 63134149 2008-09-15 19:12 > >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.ps_8U1cYk > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2068838 2008-09-15 19:13 > >> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.tmp_XXJ0D > >>b nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ > >> > >> but it did produce a PDF that I could highlight and copy text from - but > >> on copying the text (and some graphics) into OpenOffice - it still > >> wouldn't print (as if the text was invisible) BUT, and this is a bit > >> weird - I then changed the fonts/text to a different color (80% gray - I > >> try to save ink!) and it printed!!?? > >> > >> What's going on? Anybody care to enlighten me? > > > > Nigel, for me on Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.10 the PDF opened fine in > > Okular. I could copy text (text, not only image) and test prionting in > > the Print Preview and Print To PDF both worked fine. > > > > Which KDE do you use? How does Print To PDF turn out? As the problem > > is common to both KPDF and to Acrobat, which I do not think share any > > code, I suspect your print drivers (or even the printer, if it is not > > the same machine as your wife connects to). > > Hi Dotan, > > Using KPDf I can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. > If I open it in Acroread and print to file, then open the resulting .ps > with KGhostView, I again can 'see' the text in the print preview but it > doesn't print. Actually the printer (an Epson Stylus CX3700) does all the > sounds and mechanical works - I can hear the print head going back and > forward, nice and slowly as if it's printing something but it's invisible! > It just prints a piece of text on the side column (vertically) "Owner's > manual ONYX 1640" in a light blue color. > > My wife's XP box is in her office at work - not connected at all to mine > (at home). > > I am using Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 > > I can select text and it prints fine to both color and monochrome laser printers here. The problem is likely with your printer drivers or your ink cartridge. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Tue Sep 16 18:09:10 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:09:10 +0200 Subject: can't play Intel Indeo 5 video (IV50) on 64bit Message-ID: <200809162009.11034.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> So - no player (tried xine, mplayer, vlc) plays the old Intel Indeo 5 video. Under 32bit no problem. w64codecs are installed, medibuntu enabled. Solutions? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 16 18:12:51 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:12:51 +0300 Subject: adding protocols to Firefox In-Reply-To: <200809161346.51565.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48CFEF8A.6000209@rmk.co.il> <200809161346.51565.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48CFF723.7020809@rmk.co.il> Glenn R Williams wrote: > Nigel, > > here are some instructions I found at > > http://www.cinlug.org/node/316 > > > (1.) Open Firefox and type "about:config" (no quotes) in the address window, > and click enter. > (2.) Right click on the window and choose , then from the pop-up > menu that appears. > (3.) In the first pop-up box, enter: "network.protocol-handler.app.mms" (no > quotes, and it might just be easier to cut 'n paste this into the box). > (4.) In the next pop-up box enter the path to Kaffeine (e.g. > "/usr/bin/kaffeine"). > (5.) Now, click in the main window again but choose > (6.) In the first pop-up box, enter: "network.protocol-handler.external.mms" > (7.) In the second pop-up select . > > I'm pretty sure I did this to make it work (substituting mplayer) > > HTH, > > Glenn Thanks Glenn - that did it :-) Blessings, Nigel > > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 13:40:26 Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I often visit a news site in Israel and their news video for linux requires >> that Firefox associate a program with the protocol 'mms'. >> The website video page is: >> http://www.israelnationalnews.com/TV/Linux.aspx >> >> The actual error message from Firefox: >> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (mms) >> isn't associated with any program. >> >> So how do I 'associate' a program (probably mplayer). >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> -- >> PrayingForIsrael.net >> http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Sep 16 18:30:55 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:30:55 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <200809161405.50878.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> <200809161405.50878.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48CFFB5F.2000202@rmk.co.il> Art Alexion wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 1:58:35 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : >>>> I recently downloaded a user manual from Mackie.com: >>>> http://www.mackie.com/pdf/onyx1640_om.pdf >>>> >>>> After downloading it I wanted to print it - but it would only print some >>>> colored heading but not the actual text. This was using both Adobe >>>> Reader 8 and KPDF. Actually I couldn't even highlight and copy any text >>>> (the resulting box only gave the option of copying a graphic to the >>>> clipboard). >>>> >>>> I ended up printing it from my wife's XP computer at work. Why should >>>> the Windows version of Adobe Reader 8 print it when the Linux version >>>> wouldn't? >>>> >>>> OK. things got stranger. I also use Scribus and somebody offered a >>>> script to reduce the size of large PDF's. It uses pdftops and pstopdf >>>> with a simple perl script (being lazy and tired, I just ran the script >>>> on the PDF - 'just to see'). >>>> Anyway, there were a couple of errors: >>>> >>>> nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ ./compress-newsletter.pl >>>> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf >>>> Running pdftk ... >>>> Error: Failed to open PDF file: >>>> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf >>>> OWNER PASSWORD REQUIRED, but not given (or incorrect) >>>> Errors encountered. No output created. >>>> Done. Input errors, so no output created. >>>> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at >>>> ./compress-newsletter.pl line 202. Running pdftops ... >>>> Running gs ... >>>> Running pdfopt ... >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2071083 2008-09-15 19:13 >>>> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om_new.pdf >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 1897192 2008-09-06 15:25 >>>> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.pdf >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 63134149 2008-09-15 19:12 >>>> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.ps_8U1cYk >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nigel nigel 2068838 2008-09-15 19:13 >>>> /home/nigel/Hamaayan/Newsletters/September-08/Test/onyx1640_om.tmp_XXJ0D >>>> b nigel at laptop:~/Documents/PDF_scripts$ >>>> >>>> but it did produce a PDF that I could highlight and copy text from - but >>>> on copying the text (and some graphics) into OpenOffice - it still >>>> wouldn't print (as if the text was invisible) BUT, and this is a bit >>>> weird - I then changed the fonts/text to a different color (80% gray - I >>>> try to save ink!) and it printed!!?? >>>> >>>> What's going on? Anybody care to enlighten me? >>> Nigel, for me on Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.10 the PDF opened fine in >>> Okular. I could copy text (text, not only image) and test prionting in >>> the Print Preview and Print To PDF both worked fine. >>> >>> Which KDE do you use? How does Print To PDF turn out? As the problem >>> is common to both KPDF and to Acrobat, which I do not think share any >>> code, I suspect your print drivers (or even the printer, if it is not >>> the same machine as your wife connects to). >> Hi Dotan, >> >> Using KPDf I can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. >> If I open it in Acroread and print to file, then open the resulting .ps >> with KGhostView, I again can 'see' the text in the print preview but it >> doesn't print. Actually the printer (an Epson Stylus CX3700) does all the >> sounds and mechanical works - I can hear the print head going back and >> forward, nice and slowly as if it's printing something but it's invisible! >> It just prints a piece of text on the side column (vertically) "Owner's >> manual ONYX 1640" in a light blue color. >> >> My wife's XP box is in her office at work - not connected at all to mine >> (at home). >> >> I am using Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 >> >> > > > I can select text and it prints fine to both color and monochrome laser > printers here. The problem is likely with your printer drivers or your ink > cartridge. > No problem with the printer or the cartridges - after I copied the text into OpenOffice and changed the color to gray, then I was able to print it just fine. I just did a test print and the black nozzle appears to be blocked - I'm cleaning it now... That was it - a blocked [black] nozzle! Sometimes we look for difficult solutions when in actual fact it's the simple ones that need to be checked first... Thanks for the pointer - which led to the fix! :-) Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 16 18:43:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:43:25 -0300 Subject: adding protocols to Firefox References: <48CFEF8A.6000209@rmk.co.il> <200809161346.51565.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2317451.dBlA65Zq8z@cedar.serverforest.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > Nigel, > > here are some instructions I found at > > http://www.cinlug.org/node/316 > > > (1.) Open Firefox and type "about:config" (no quotes) in the address > window, and click enter. > (2.) Right click on the window and choose , then from the > pop-up menu that appears. > (3.) In the first pop-up box, enter: "network.protocol-handler.app.mms" > (no quotes, and it might just be easier to cut 'n paste this into the > box). (4.) In the next pop-up box enter the path to Kaffeine (e.g. > "/usr/bin/kaffeine"). > (5.) Now, click in the main window again but choose > (6.) In the first pop-up box, enter: > "network.protocol-handler.external.mms" (7.) In the second pop-up select > . > > I'm pretty sure I did this to make it work (substituting mplayer) @#$%^&!!!!!! That looks suspiciously like it should work - not like the last two attempts I made to get FF to associate any app with a file type. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 18:54:04 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:54:04 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <880dece00809161154ldce623cm59cae15d0c24090@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : > Using KPDf I can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. > If I open it in Acroread and print to file, then open the resulting .ps with KGhostView, I again > can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. Actually the printer (an Epson > Stylus CX3700) does all the sounds and mechanical works - I can hear the print head going back > and forward, nice and slowly as if it's printing something but it's invisible! It just prints a > piece of text on the side column (vertically) "Owner's manual ONYX 1640" in a light blue color. > > My wife's XP box is in her office at work - not connected at all to mine (at home). > > I am using Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 > Sounds like you're out of ink. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 18:54:57 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:54:57 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <48CFFB5F.2000202@rmk.co.il> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> <200809161405.50878.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48CFFB5F.2000202@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <880dece00809161154j17a24d51we10e6f6761ea403@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : > No problem with the printer or the cartridges - after I copied the text into OpenOffice and > changed the color to gray, then I was able to print it just fine. > > I just did a test print and the black nozzle appears to be blocked - I'm cleaning it now... > > That was it - a blocked [black] nozzle! Sometimes we look for difficult solutions when in actual > fact it's the simple ones that need to be checked first... > > Thanks for the pointer - which led to the fix! :-) > Ah, fixed! Great! Take care. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tycho at tycho.ws Tue Sep 16 19:52:35 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:52:35 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.1 Twinview background Message-ID: <49b3a7400809161252mfd48969ge91b41737ed84c98@mail.gmail.com> Hello all: I've got an nVidia card with a dual monitor setup (they like to call it Twinview). In KDE 3.5, I could set a single picture to be the background across both monitors (this worked well with panoramics). However I haven't found a way to do this in KDE 4.1. Anyone know if this is possible (yet)? Thanks, Tycho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 19:58:29 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:58:29 +0300 Subject: adding protocols to Firefox In-Reply-To: <48CFF723.7020809@rmk.co.il> References: <48CFEF8A.6000209@rmk.co.il> <200809161346.51565.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48CFF723.7020809@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <880dece00809161258r15e62943j21113dec1ece9233@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : > Thanks Glenn - that did it :-) > I had spoken with Mati, the developer of israelnationalnews, in the past about MMS on his website. In my opinion, at that time (three months ago) the Linux page did not exist. Just now, I tried the solution outlined here and it worked, so I mailed him again letting him know the solution, with a suggestion to put the info right there on the site. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Tue Sep 16 20:25:46 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:25:46 +0000 Subject: KDE 4.1 Twinview background Message-ID: <091620082025.9832.48D0164A00071995000026682207021553CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> I spent a lot of time w/ 4.1 and 4.1.1 with a integrated intel video chip. I haven't looked for a way to span an image, but in my case right clicking on the Desktop allows you to select "Desktop Settings", which can be used to independently control the desktop image for each monitor (depending on which desktop you right click from). I've also found that it was best to make a minimal xorg.conf file and let 4.1.x interact with xrandr without distractions. Good luck. Paul -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tycho Andersen" > Hello all: > > I've got an nVidia card with a dual monitor setup (they like to call it > Twinview). In KDE 3.5, I could set a single picture to be the background > across both monitors (this worked well with panoramics). However I haven't > found a way to do this in KDE 4.1. Anyone know if this is possible (yet)? > > Thanks, > Tycho -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Tycho Andersen" Subject: KDE 4.1 Twinview background Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:53:22 +0000 Size: 1860 URL: From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Sep 17 01:28:01 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:28:01 +0300 Subject: Strange PDF printing problems In-Reply-To: <880dece00809161154ldce623cm59cae15d0c24090@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CFEBF4.3050409@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161034n4894ep5de5630455fe9c1b@mail.gmail.com> <48CFF3CB.1040508@rmk.co.il> <880dece00809161154ldce623cm59cae15d0c24090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D05D21.4010905@rmk.co.il> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/16 Nigel Ridley : >> Using KPDf I can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. >> If I open it in Acroread and print to file, then open the resulting .ps with KGhostView, I again >> can 'see' the text in the print preview but it doesn't print. Actually the printer (an Epson >> Stylus CX3700) does all the sounds and mechanical works - I can hear the print head going back >> and forward, nice and slowly as if it's printing something but it's invisible! It just prints a >> piece of text on the side column (vertically) "Owner's manual ONYX 1640" in a light blue color. >> >> My wife's XP box is in her office at work - not connected at all to mine (at home). >> >> I am using Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 >> > > Sounds like you're out of ink. > Hi Dotan, According to 'mtink' there was enough of each of the colors. After testing, and noticing that other colors printed but not the black, I used mtink to 'clean the nozzle'. After that everthing is back in working order. Have a great day. Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From bbales at cox.net Wed Sep 17 03:00:43 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:00:43 -0500 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <200809151921.03947.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809131508.10038.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200809132000.17219.dave@thefletchers.net> <200809151921.03947.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809162200.43457.bbales@cox.net> On Monday 15 September 2008 12:21:03 Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Saturday 13 September 2008 21:00:06 schreef David Fletcher: > > On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > > I found aut that digikam can handle these batches very well. > > > -- > Peter > Registered Linux user # 458207 convert a bunch of pictures titled p8240???.jpg to 800x600 titled pp8240???.jpg for i in p8140*; do convert -sample 800x600 "$i" p$i; done If you tell it "-sample 800" without the "x600," it will keep the same form factor. You have to have imagemagick installed. bruce From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk Wed Sep 17 08:02:06 2008 From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (Andrew Heggie) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:02:06 +0100 Subject: repositories In-Reply-To: <48CE379D.5000809@bielenberg.id.au> References: <200809151056.11995.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> <48CE34D6.5080101@bielenberg.id.au> <48CE379D.5000809@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <48D0B97E.1020705@loampitsfarm.co.uk> Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Just tried it & has been replaced, I assume you are using Feisty but I > found it here! > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/i386/kdebase-bin/download Thanks Cary, Yes I am using Fiesty, on an mpc-l which I don't think would be happy with later versions. I don't think it is really up to kde apps but I wanted to use the same e-mail client on this "always on" computer as my other pc. If the file is at the url you mention above then do I download it separately? Where should it be stored for synaptic to find it or do I have to instal from the command line? Andrew Heggie From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Sep 17 07:45:04 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:45:04 +1000 Subject: repositories In-Reply-To: <48D0B97E.1020705@loampitsfarm.co.uk> References: <200809151056.11995.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> <48CE34D6.5080101@bielenberg.id.au> <48CE379D.5000809@bielenberg.id.au> <48D0B97E.1020705@loampitsfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <48D0B580.8000108@bielenberg.id.au> Andrew, If you download it to your home folder & open a terminal & navigate to your home folder "cd ~/" then type "sudo dpkg -i packagename" it will ask for your password then install for you. You have to change the package name with the name of the file. hint type the 1st 3 characters then hit the tab key & it will autofill the name in, if there is nothing with the same name. Cary Andrew Heggie wrote: > Cary Bielenberg wrote: > >> Just tried it & has been replaced, I assume you are using Feisty but I >> found it here! >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/i386/kdebase-bin/download >> > > Thanks Cary, > > Yes I am using Fiesty, on an mpc-l which I don't think would be happy > with later versions. > I don't think it is really up to kde apps but I wanted to use the same > e-mail client on this > "always on" computer as my other pc. > > If the file is at the url you mention above then do I download it > separately? Where should > it be stored for synaptic to find it or do I have to instal from the > command line? > > Andrew Heggie > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 17 08:34:50 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:34:50 +0200 Subject: update notifier In-Reply-To: <48CE9CAC.8010503@swbell.net> References: <200809151920.16651.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48CE9CAC.8010503@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809171034.50354.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Monday 15 September 2008 19:34:36 schreef Billie Walsh: > I opened Adept and did the install from there and the notifier went away. Thnaks, that solved the problem at this end too. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:28:52 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:28:52 +0200 Subject: Keyboard leds stopped working Message-ID: Hi! For some reason my keyboard leds don't toggle when i pressing Caps lock, Scroll lock or num lock anymore. The state of them is working, by that a mean that pressing caps it's switching to the other state. The num lock is constant on. What can be the cause to that? Ar there any new kernel updates in the past week i forgot? / Jonas From kokiperex at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:46:28 2008 From: kokiperex at gmail.com (kokiperex at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:46:28 -0500 Subject: batch for transforming images Message-ID: <9da4567f0809170646y353e1752n69d9f17f048eca28@mail.gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:00:43 -0500 > From: Bruce Bales > Subject: Re: batch for transforming images > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <200809162200.43457.bbales at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Monday 15 September 2008 12:21:03 Peter Klaassen wrote: >> Op Saturday 13 September 2008 21:00:06 schreef David Fletcher: >> > On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: >> > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize >> > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width >> >> I found aut that digikam can handle these batches very well. >> >> >> -- >> Peter >> Registered Linux user # 458207 > > convert a bunch of pictures titled p8240???.jpg to 800x600 titled > pp8240???.jpg > > for i in p8140*; do convert -sample 800x600 "$i" p$i; done > > If you tell it "-sample 800" without the "x600," it will keep the same form > factor. You have to have imagemagick installed. > bruce > > I like this ones: mogrify -resize 800x600 *.jpg or mogrify -resize 800 *.jpg or mogrify -resize 50% *.jpg -- Jorge From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:48:54 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:48:54 +0200 Subject: Processes using all resources Message-ID: What do you do when a program is running wild and using all the resources and you can't use the computer to kill the process? It happened for me when i left the computer for a couple hours with firefox running with some flash pages. When i got back the harddisk was trashing (I think flash crashed and started to use all my memory) and the GUI almost unresponsive, if i moved the mouse, two minutes later the mouse pointer moved and open a console, running top to see what process using all the resources was out of the question. So what can one do in that case? And don't the kernel have a function that should kill processes using to much resources (was reading about that a couple years ago)? / Jonas From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:15:46 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:15:46 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <9da4567f0809170646y353e1752n69d9f17f048eca28@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4567f0809170646y353e1752n69d9f17f048eca28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809171615.46729.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:46:28 kokiperex at gmail.com wrote: > I like this ones: > > mogrify -resize 800x600 *.jpg Yeah, but beware you will lose all your original jps files. So make a backup. \d From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Sep 17 15:04:07 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:04:07 +0200 Subject: Processes using all resources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 15:48, Jonas Norlander wrote: > What do you do when a program is running wild and using all the > resources and you can't use the computer to kill the process? It > happened for me when i left the computer for a couple hours with > firefox running with some flash pages. When i got back the harddisk > was trashing (I think flash crashed and started to use all my memory) > and the GUI almost unresponsive, if i moved the mouse, two minutes > later the mouse pointer moved and open a console, running top to see > what process using all the resources was out of the question. > > So what can one do in that case? And don't the kernel have a function > that should kill processes using to much resources (was reading about > that a couple years ago)? > > / Jonas Have you tried "Ctrl-Alt-Esc" ? -- BOFH excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 15:25:22 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:25:22 +0200 Subject: Processes using all resources In-Reply-To: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200809171725.22742.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:04:07 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > Have you tried "Ctrl-Alt-Esc" ? Just to add - that gives you a kill-anything cursor. Whatever you click dies horribly! This includes your desktop or taskbar or whatever... so click carefully. \d From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:10:37 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:10:37 +0200 Subject: Processes using all resources In-Reply-To: <200809171725.22742.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200809171725.22742.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/17 Donn : > On Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:04:07 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >> Have you tried "Ctrl-Alt-Esc" ? > Just to add - that gives you a kill-anything cursor. Whatever you click dies > horribly! This includes your desktop or taskbar or whatever... so click > carefully. > > \d > Was looking for that shortcut :-) I may have been able to kill firefox with that but if the program don't have a window and most processes don't have it? How about the kernel killing processes none heard about that or perhaps a daemon monitoring things? / Jonas From tycho at tycho.ws Wed Sep 17 18:50:13 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:50:13 -0500 Subject: Processes using all resources In-Reply-To: References: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200809171725.22742.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400809171150x16ecb437pf1593c78dedf04f2@mail.gmail.com> I've had X die a few times while playing games on Wine. The simplest solution (at least for me) seems to be to SSH into my box from a roomate's and kill whatever is wreaking havoc. Tycho On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/17 Donn : > > On Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:04:07 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > >> Have you tried "Ctrl-Alt-Esc" ? > > Just to add - that gives you a kill-anything cursor. Whatever you click > dies > > horribly! This includes your desktop or taskbar or whatever... so click > > carefully. > > > > \d > > > > Was looking for that shortcut :-) > I may have been able to kill firefox with that but if the program > don't have a window and most processes don't have it? How about the > kernel killing processes none heard about that or perhaps a daemon > monitoring things? > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 19:08:49 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:08:49 +0200 Subject: Processes using all resources In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400809171150x16ecb437pf1593c78dedf04f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200809171725.22742.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <49b3a7400809171150x16ecb437pf1593c78dedf04f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/17 Tycho Andersen : > I've had X die a few times while playing games on Wine. The simplest > solution (at least for me) seems to be to SSH into my box from a roomate's > and kill whatever is wreaking havoc. > > Tycho > That was the first i tried as i thought that X crashed and locked keyboard and mouse but in my case the system was so overloaded that i never got a ssh login prompt. / Jonas From admin at asaguiar.med.br Wed Sep 17 21:06:38 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:06:38 -0300 Subject: nfs strange behavior Message-ID: <200809171806.39763@asaguiar.email.system> Hi, I have a few nfs shares from a machine running an old linux version. From one kubuntu machine I am able to mount them all. From the other the mounting command returns an error of access denied while in the server the operation looks pretty normal. In the server log all lines are like this Sep 17 17:45:10 machineX rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:817 for /home (/home) Same permissions, 755, correct names and paths. In machineX the shares are configured like /home xxx.xxx.xxx.*(async,no_root_squash,rw) and in the clients it is like machineX:/home /home nfs nousers,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 1 1 None of the network adapters (internal network) has firewall restrictions. TIA. Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- Useless fact for today: The average person swallows 8 spiders a year. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 21:27:40 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:27:40 +0300 Subject: Processes using all resources In-Reply-To: References: <200809171704.07828.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200809171725.22742.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <49b3a7400809171150x16ecb437pf1593c78dedf04f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40809171427i72932408hb498ca53ac8bed47@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/17 Jonas Norlander : > 2008/9/17 Tycho Andersen : >> I've had X die a few times while playing games on Wine. The simplest >> solution (at least for me) seems to be to SSH into my box from a roomate's >> and kill whatever is wreaking havoc. >> >> Tycho >> > > That was the first i tried as i thought that X crashed and locked > keyboard and mouse but in my case the system was so overloaded that i > never got a ssh login prompt. > sometimes amsn does some real weird behaviour when i have offline messages, and it locks the desktop, i don't know how safe it is do so, but i use the ctrl-alt-backspace, which restarts the X server, along with all processes using it. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 22:15:34 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:15:34 +0300 Subject: No Ctrl-Alt-Esc with Compiz Message-ID: <880dece00809171515s51d04e02i605d4e58a0cf44ab@mail.gmail.com> I have noticed that with Compiz enabled one cannot get the skull-and-crossbones killer cursor with Ctrl-Alt-Esc on Kubuntu 8.04. Is there a workaround? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From godshatter at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 04:10:59 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:10:59 -0700 Subject: No Ctrl-Alt-Esc with Compiz In-Reply-To: <880dece00809171515s51d04e02i605d4e58a0cf44ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809171515s51d04e02i605d4e58a0cf44ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D1D4D3.7010802@yahoo.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have noticed that with Compiz enabled one cannot get the > skull-and-crossbones killer cursor with Ctrl-Alt-Esc on Kubuntu 8.04. > Is there a workaround? Thanks. > > I googled around and found a thread about this... If you go into the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings, choose General and Command, you can specify a command number and give it the command "xkill". Then open the key bindings and choose a key binding for the command number you chose. It doesn't look like you can use the esc key, but I did get it to work using . It looks like they have a special command (Command11 on my system) setup to do the same thing already, but it doesn't seem to work. I never knew about the xkill command, it's nice to find. Paul From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 07:52:40 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:52:40 +0200 Subject: On killing stuff -- with Elephants. Message-ID: <200809180952.40819.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi all, On the subject of killing stuff when a machine is too far gone and you begin to eye the power switch with a sad look, this recipe works a bomb! I found this online somewhere and can't find the source: SKINNY ELEPHANTS Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring Or, I remember it as: Really Stupid Elephants In Ugly Boxers (go figure :) ) Here is how you do it. It's like playing those really hard chords on a guitar, but it's not supposed to be easy! Alt+SysRq+r ( The LEFT Alt key ) ( SysRq is on the same button as print screen ) Alt+SysRq+s Alt+SysRq+e Alt+SysRq+i Alt+SysRq+u Alt+SysRq+b Give a little time between keystrokes. Very NB! The r stands for put keyboard in raw mode The s for sync the disk The e for terminate all processes The i for kill all processes The u for remount all filesystems read only The b for reboot the system If your filesystem is Ext3 or ReiserFS and on reboot it wants you to do a filesystem check, don't touch any key when it asks you to press "Y" and let it recover the journal automatically. NOTE: For the skinny elephants to work you need to have the sysrq-key enabled in the kernel. (CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ) You can check if it is enabled by typing 'ls /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq' if it's there, it's enabled. hth \d From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:46:26 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:46:26 +0300 Subject: No Ctrl-Alt-Esc with Compiz In-Reply-To: <48D1D4D3.7010802@yahoo.com> References: <880dece00809171515s51d04e02i605d4e58a0cf44ab@mail.gmail.com> <48D1D4D3.7010802@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809180346r512513b6ic4ba9f3aa585e8d9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/18 Paul Rumelhart : > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have noticed that with Compiz enabled one cannot get the >> skull-and-crossbones killer cursor with Ctrl-Alt-Esc on Kubuntu 8.04. >> Is there a workaround? Thanks. >> >> > I googled around and found a thread about this... > Where? I googled as well but found nothing. What keywords did you google on? > If you go into the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings, choose General and > Command, you can specify a command number and give it the command > "xkill". Then open the key bindings and choose a key binding for the > command number you chose. It doesn't look like you can use the esc key, > but I did get it to work using . It looks like they > have a special command (Command11 on my system) setup to do the same > thing already, but it doesn't seem to work. > > I never knew about the xkill command, it's nice to find. > I turns out that command 11 was already set as xkill, and was already configured for Ctrl-Alt-Esc. However, that did not work, as you know. Changing to Ctrl-Alt-End like you suggested does work. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From erik_m89 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 11:14:18 2008 From: erik_m89 at hotmail.com (Erik Blagoev) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:14:18 +0000 Subject: MMS:// files whit password and user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all. I'm trying to play a mms files and i play them with kaffeine and mplayer. The problem is that the website asks for user and password but the pop-up is not displayed on my screen in order to put them. I don't know what to do... Someone have idea? PS: I'm new in this world of linux and i'm sorry if the question is resolved, but i couldn't find anything on i-net. _________________________________________________________________ Изтегли 30 БЕЗПЛАТНИ емотиконки за твоя Windows Live Messenger! http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/bg-bg/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 18 12:51:06 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:51:06 -0400 Subject: "Show desktop" button missing In-Reply-To: <48D24CD4.2050302@gmail.com> References: <48D24CD4.2050302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> 1. left click on the upper right corner plasma icon 2. click on "add widgets" 3. scroll down to "Show Desktop" 4. click on "add widget" HTH, Glenn On Thursday 18 September 2008 08:43:00 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have installed KDE 4.1.1 and realised that the button 'Show Desktop' > (which minimises all windows) at the Widgets is not available. Does > anyone knows how to put this icon on? -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Değirmende doğmuş sıçan, gök gürlemesinden korkmaz -- Atasöz From chief at porterfire.org Thu Sep 18 12:54:02 2008 From: chief at porterfire.org (Michael W. 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Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From martinrnelson at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 13:10:21 2008 From: martinrnelson at gmail.com (Martin Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:10:21 +0100 Subject: confirm d81046051c890a406222582a0f82f8c48be31f22 In-Reply-To: <200809180854.02754.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200809180854.02754.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <48D2533D.1050704@gmail.com> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 20:27:39 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > wrote: > >> Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled >> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >> 18-Sep-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until >> you re-enable your membership. 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As a >> reminder, your membership password is >> >> chief1 >> >> If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner >> at >> >> kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com >> > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From charioteer7 at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 13:44:02 2008 From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:44:02 -0400 Subject: confirm d81046051c890a406222582a0f82f8c48be31f22 In-Reply-To: <48D2533D.1050704@gmail.com> References: <200809180854.02754.lists@ptfd.org> <48D2533D.1050704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <646a014e0809180644k873df3vfde92c458968697c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Martin Nelson wrote: > > > Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 20:27:39 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com >> wrote: >> >>> Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled >>> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >>> 18-Sep-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until >>> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like >>> this before your membership in the list is deleted. >>> >>> To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message >>> (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at >>> >>> >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/kubuntu-users/d81046051c890a406222 >>> 582a0f82f8c48be31f22 >>> >>> >>> You can also visit your membership page at >>> >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/kubuntu-users/lists%40ptfd.org >>> >>> >>> On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such >>> as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a >>> reminder, your membership password is >>> >>> chief1 >>> >>> If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner >>> at >>> >>> kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com >>> >> >> > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From godshatter at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 14:06:33 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:06:33 -0700 Subject: No Ctrl-Alt-Esc with Compiz In-Reply-To: <880dece00809180346r512513b6ic4ba9f3aa585e8d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809171515s51d04e02i605d4e58a0cf44ab@mail.gmail.com> <48D1D4D3.7010802@yahoo.com> <880dece00809180346r512513b6ic4ba9f3aa585e8d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D26069.10902@yahoo.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/18 Paul Rumelhart : > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> I have noticed that with Compiz enabled one cannot get the >>> skull-and-crossbones killer cursor with Ctrl-Alt-Esc on Kubuntu 8.04. >>> Is there a workaround? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >> I googled around and found a thread about this... >> >> > > Where? I googled as well but found nothing. What keywords did you google on? > I used these keywords: ctrl alt esc shortcut compiz. That got me to here: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=5857 Paul From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 18 14:02:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:02:20 -0300 Subject: MMS:// files whit password and user References: Message-ID: <1423460.IQx3oWEEqb@cedar.serverforest.com> Erik Blagoev wrote: > Hi all. > I'm trying to play a mms files and i play them with kaffeine and mplayer. > The problem is that the website asks for user and password but the pop-up > is not displayed on my screen in order to put them. I don't know what to > do... Someone have idea? > > PS: I'm new in this world of linux and i'm sorry if the question is > resolved, but i couldn't find anything on i-net. I don't know about getting either kaffeine or mplayer to prompt you for a password, but a URL, in general, is "protocol://user:password at domain/path", so try: "mms://yourname:yourpassword at ..." -- derek From gkourtev at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 14:15:54 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:15:54 +0300 Subject: "Show desktop" button missing In-Reply-To: <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48D24CD4.2050302@gmail.com> <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48D2629A.9050306@gmail.com> Thanks, that is what I thought. However I dont have Show Desktop option there. Glenn R Williams wrote: > 1. left click on the upper right corner plasma icon > 2. click on "add widgets" > 3. scroll down to "Show Desktop" > 4. click on "add widget" > > HTH, > > Glenn > > On Thursday 18 September 2008 08:43:00 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> I have installed KDE 4.1.1 and realised that the button 'Show Desktop' >> (which minimises all windows) at the Widgets is not available. Does >> anyone knows how to put this icon on? >> > > From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 18 15:13:05 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:13:05 -0400 Subject: "Show desktop" button missing In-Reply-To: <48D2629A.9050306@gmail.com> References: <48D24CD4.2050302@gmail.com> <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48D2629A.9050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809181113.05672.gloonie@earthlink.net> You may need to install the kdeplasma-addons package. Make sure you DON'T install "extragear-plasma", since that is no longer good. Glenn On Thursday 18 September 2008 10:15:54 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Thanks, that is what I thought. However I dont have Show Desktop option > there. > > Glenn R Williams wrote: > > 1. left click on the upper right corner plasma icon > > 2. click on "add widgets" > > 3. scroll down to "Show Desktop" > > 4. click on "add widget" > > > > HTH, > > > > Glenn > > > > On Thursday 18 September 2008 08:43:00 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> I have installed KDE 4.1.1 and realised that the button 'Show Desktop' > >> (which minimises all windows) at the Widgets is not available. Does > >> anyone knows how to put this icon on? -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, bu hasret bizim -- Nazım Hikmet From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 18 16:25:31 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:25:31 -0500 Subject: confirm d81046051c890a406222582a0f82f8c48be31f22 In-Reply-To: <646a014e0809180644k873df3vfde92c458968697c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809180854.02754.lists@ptfd.org> <48D2533D.1050704@gmail.com> <646a014e0809180644k873df3vfde92c458968697c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D280FB.5080403@swbell.net> Geoffrey Bays wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Martin Nelson wrote: > >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 20:27:39 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled >>>> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >>>> 18-Sep-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until >>>> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like >>>> this before your membership in the list is deleted. >>>> >>>> To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message >>>> (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at >>>> >>>> >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/kubuntu-users/d81046051c890a406222 >>>> 582a0f82f8c48be31f22 >>>> >>>> >>>> You can also visit your membership page at >>>> >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/kubuntu-users/lists%40ptfd.org >>>> >>>> >>>> On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such >>>> as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a >>>> reminder, your membership password is >>>> >>>> chief1 >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner >>>> at >>>> >>>> kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >> may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > Ok, I'll bite. Is there some game going on that I missed the rules for? -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Sep 18 16:42:25 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:42:25 -0400 Subject: confirm d81046051c890a406222582a0f82f8c48be31f22 In-Reply-To: <48D280FB.5080403@swbell.net> References: <646a014e0809180644k873df3vfde92c458968697c@mail.gmail.com> <48D280FB.5080403@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809181242.25468.gloonie@earthlink.net> It IS annoying, isn't it? On Thursday 18 September 2008 12:25:31 Billie Walsh wrote: > Geoffrey Bays wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Martin Nelson wrote: > >> Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >>> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 20:27:39 > >>> kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled > >>>> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > >>>> 18-Sep-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until > >>>> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like > >>>> this before your membership in the list is deleted. > >>>> > >>>> To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > >>>> (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/kubuntu-users/d81046051c890a4 > >>>>06222 582a0f82f8c48be31f22 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You can also visit your membership page at > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/kubuntu-users/lists%40ptfd.or > >>>>g > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such > >>>> as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a > >>>> reminder, your membership password is > >>>> > >>>> chief1 > >>>> > >>>> If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner > >>>> at > >>>> > >>>> kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > >> > >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > >> attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your > >> computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > >> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > >> permitted by UK legislation. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Ok, I'll bite. Is there some game going on that I missed the rules for? > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, bu hasret bizim -- Nazım Hikmet From bbales at cox.net Thu Sep 18 22:26:25 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:26:25 -0500 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <9da4567f0809170646y353e1752n69d9f17f048eca28@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4567f0809170646y353e1752n69d9f17f048eca28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809181726.25708.bbales@cox.net> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 08:46:28 kokiperex at gmail.com wrote: > > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:00:43 -0500 > > From: Bruce Bales > > Subject: Re: batch for transforming images > > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Message-ID: <200809162200.43457.bbales at cox.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > On Monday 15 September 2008 12:21:03 Peter Klaassen wrote: > >> Op Saturday 13 September 2008 21:00:06 schreef David Fletcher: > >> > On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > >> > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > >> > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > >> > >> I found aut that digikam can handle these batches very well. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Peter > >> Registered Linux user # 458207 > > > > convert a bunch of pictures titled p8240???.jpg to 800x600 titled > > pp8240???.jpg > > > > for i in p8140*; do convert -sample 800x600 "$i" p$i; done > > > > If you tell it "-sample 800" without the "x600," it will keep the same > > form factor. You have to have imagemagick installed. > > bruce > > I like this ones: > > mogrify -resize 800x600 *.jpg > or > mogrify -resize 800 *.jpg > or > mogrify -resize 50% *.jpg > > -- > Jorge He said all the images in a dir. To mogrify hundreds of images might take a while. The script does them all at once. bruce From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 19 02:58:43 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:58:43 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> Hello all, I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? Thanks, Rick From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 05:27:21 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:27:21 -0400 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <1221802041.12737.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 19:58 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I > have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out > connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through > my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have > the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have > the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. > At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input > was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers > and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only > source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. > Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can > anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? Maybe it has something to do with PulseAudio?? Is it installed?? I'm new to kubuntu, but over at the Fedora side some of the users had to remove PulseAudio when they had recording problems. Me, I've never used it. Trouble shooting with a shotgun here, it may be a place to look though. YMMV, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 From alain.muls at telenet.be Fri Sep 19 08:03:45 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:03:45 +0200 Subject: Dolphin and Konqueror Message-ID: <200809191003.46001.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I like the column layout with the places at the left and information at the right of Dolphin-kde4, but Dolphin does crash quite often in this setting. I just discovered that konqueror also has the column layout, but I cannot find how to set - the places at the left - the information window at the right - I also find it nice that the current directory is displayed not as text but as a horizontal series of icons. Can konqueror be tweaked like Dolphin-kde4? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alain MULS alain.muls at telenet.be CISS-GENA +32.2.7426340 Renaissance Avenue 30 1000 BRUSSELS - Belgium ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 09:29:58 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:29:58 +0300 Subject: getting nvidia display drivers Message-ID: <48D37116.8020705@gmail.com> i installed kubuntu intrepid 32-bit on my PC, but i'm still lacking the display drivers for my nvidia geforce 7300. jockey-kde, or more know as the hardware drivers program, crashes exactly as explained in this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/271317 i tried installing envyng, but it's not working properly too, i'm getting a lot of parsing errors that fills the konsole, and konsole would be spending about 50% of CPU to display this torrent of messages, and eventually, the program crashes. is there anyway to install the driver? can i install it manually from the repos? can't i know what jockey or envyng do, and so i can do the same but manually? if there are ways of installing, i prefer the ubuntu way, ie, i prefer packages from the repos rather than nvidia's website for example (if available of course) thanks in advance -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 12:40:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:40:06 +0200 Subject: On killing stuff -- with Elephants. Message-ID: <200809191440.06980.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Second send - don't think it hit the list. Just apropos to recent threads about stuff needing killing. Hi all, On the subject of killing stuff when a machine is too far gone and you begin to eye the power switch with a sad look, this recipe works a bomb! I found this online somewhere and can't find the source: SKINNY ELEPHANTS Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring Or, I remember it as: Really Stupid Elephants In Ugly Boxers (go figure :) ) Here is how you do it. It's like playing those really hard chords on a guitar, but it's not supposed to be easy! Alt+SysRq+r ( The LEFT Alt key ) ( SysRq is on the same button as print screen ) Alt+SysRq+s Alt+SysRq+e Alt+SysRq+i Alt+SysRq+u Alt+SysRq+b Give a little time between keystrokes. Very NB! The r stands for put keyboard in raw mode The s for sync the disk The e for terminate all processes The i for kill all processes The u for remount all filesystems read only The b for reboot the system If your filesystem is Ext3 or ReiserFS and on reboot it wants you to do a filesystem check, don't touch any key when it asks you to press "Y" and let it recover the journal automatically. NOTE: For the skinny elephants to work you need to have the sysrq-key enabled in the kernel. (CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ) You can check if it is enabled by typing 'ls /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq' if it's there, it's enabled. hth \d From pali.rohar at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 12:40:14 2008 From: pali.rohar at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGFsaSBSb2jDoXI=?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:40:14 +0200 Subject: Lock screen when hibernate or suspend pc via acpi Message-ID: <48D39DAE.2090107@gmail.com> Hello, Kubuntu 8.04 and develop 8.10alfa5 aren't still lock screen, when I hibernate or suspend pc via acpi (sudo /etc/apci/sleep.sh or sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh). On http://linux-tipps.blogspot.com/2008/06/locking-your-screen-with-dbus-from.html I found, how to fix. with dbus-send I can lock screen: dbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver --type=method_call --print-reply ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock On site http://linux-tipps.blogspot.com/2008/06/locking-your-screen-with-dbus-from.html is added this to /etc/acpi/resume.d/90-xscreensaver.sh but better is when lock script starts earlier. I creat new file /etc/acpi/resume.d/50-kde4-lock.sh: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh for x in /tmp/.X11-unix/*; do displaynum=`echo $x | sed s#/tmp/.X11-unix/X##` getXuser; if [ x"$XAUTHORITY" != x"" ]; then export DISPLAY=":$displaynum" su $user -c "dbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver --type=method_call --print-reply /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock" fi done ------------------------------------------------------------------------ and this fix this problem. Can you add this script to new kubuntu 8.10? -- Pali Rohár pali.rohar at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I'm unsure if that's the right place - Ubuntu seems to be moving from acpid to pm-utils. -- derek From kokiperex at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 13:55:34 2008 From: kokiperex at gmail.com (kokiperex at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:55:34 -0500 Subject: batch for transforming images Message-ID: <9da4567f0809190655t5edb19fgc24318a472cce4df@mail.gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:26:25 -0500 > From: Bruce Bales > Subject: Re: batch for transforming images > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <200809181726.25708.bbales at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 08:46:28 kokiperex at gmail.com wrote: >> > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:00:43 -0500 >> > From: Bruce Bales >> > Subject: Re: batch for transforming images >> > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> > Message-ID: <200809162200.43457.bbales at cox.net> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > On Monday 15 September 2008 12:21:03 Peter Klaassen wrote: >> >> Op Saturday 13 September 2008 21:00:06 schreef David Fletcher: >> >> > On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: >> >> > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize >> >> > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width >> >> >> >> I found aut that digikam can handle these batches very well. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Peter >> >> Registered Linux user # 458207 >> > >> > convert a bunch of pictures titled p8240???.jpg to 800x600 titled >> > pp8240???.jpg >> > >> > for i in p8140*; do convert -sample 800x600 "$i" p$i; done >> > >> > If you tell it "-sample 800" without the "x600," it will keep the same >> > form factor. You have to have imagemagick installed. >> > bruce >> >> I like this ones: >> >> mogrify -resize 800x600 *.jpg >> or >> mogrify -resize 800 *.jpg >> or >> mogrify -resize 50% *.jpg >> >> -- >> Jorge > > He said all the images in a dir. To mogrify hundreds of images might take a > while. The script does them all at once. > bruce > > But with *.jpg you can change all the images in the dir --- Jorge From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 14:00:58 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:00:58 +0300 Subject: Lock screen when hibernate or suspend pc via acpi In-Reply-To: <7694002.t6WvTNhepE@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48D39DAE.2090107@gmail.com> <7694002.t6WvTNhepE@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48D3B09A.3080109@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Pali Rohár wrote: > >> Can you add this script to new kubuntu 8.10? > > This is not the place to ask - you need to file a bug at launchpad.net > (though I'll guarantee you it's too late to make it into 8.10). > > However, I'm unsure if that's the right place - Ubuntu seems to be moving > from acpid to pm-utils. yes, remember when i used to whine about hibernate not working with 90% of the kernels? now i'm using intrepid, i tried 3 kernels so far, and using pm-hibernate works great! i never realized how much i missed hibernate till now! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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The script does them all at once. >> bruce >> >> > > But with *.jpg you can change all the images in the dir > --- > Jorge .jpg is lossy and thus every time you open and then save it or change it you lose detail. PNG is way better because you don't loose anything. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From john at wexfordpress.com Fri Sep 19 14:40:28 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:40:28 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 Message-ID: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in Slackware-current. Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? Comments? -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Sep 19 14:53:07 2008 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:53:07 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <20080919155307.128c8d92.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:40:28 -0400 John Culleton wrote: JC> Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in JC> Slackware-current. Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? JC> Comments? JC> If you have hardy-backports enabled, you will get 3.5.10 -- I'm not noticed any significant advantages or disadvantages compared with 3.5.[89] -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 14:53:24 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:53:24 +0300 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: References: <9da4567f0809190655t5edb19fgc24318a472cce4df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D3BCE4.808@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: >>>> I like this ones: >>>> >>>> mogrify -resize 800x600 *.jpg >>>> or >>>> mogrify -resize 800 *.jpg >>>> or >>>> mogrify -resize 50% *.jpg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jorge >>> He said all the images in a dir. To mogrify hundreds of images might take a >>> while. The script does them all at once. >>> bruce >>> >>> >> But with *.jpg you can change all the images in the dir >> --- >> Jorge > > .jpg is lossy and thus every time you open and then save it or change > it you lose detail. PNG is way better because you don't loose > anything. > i agree, but this is in the case you're doing many editings on the pic, but if the pic is going to it's final edit, jpg is better for it's compression. i tend to send a lot of photos over the net, and with upload speeds blazing fast (60 bps :P), it is a hell to try sending 20~30 PNG images. but when editing, PNG is the format of choice -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The script does them all at once. >>>> bruce >>>> >>>> >>> But with *.jpg you can change all the images in the dir >>> --- >>> Jorge >> >> .jpg is lossy and thus every time you open and then save it or change >> it you lose detail. PNG is way better because you don't loose >> anything. >> > > i agree, but this is in the case you're doing many editings on the pic, > but if the pic is going to it's final edit, jpg is better for it's > compression. i tend to send a lot of photos over the net, and with > upload speeds blazing fast (60 bps :P), it is a hell to try sending > 20~30 PNG images. but when editing, PNG is the format of choice > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net I agree with what you are saying but would tell anyone that is doing this sort of work to be sure to understand that jpg gets better compression not by compressing better but by dropping information into the trash. Wikipedia has good info IF you read all 4 pages in the set. JPG, PNG, TIFF and GIFF. The 4 pages seem to have some misleading info when talking about other formats that the one the pages is on. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 15:20:15 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:20:15 +0200 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: References: <9da4567f0809190655t5edb19fgc24318a472cce4df@mail.gmail.com> <48D3BCE4.808@gmail.com> Message-ID: One other thing. The number of edits that you can do to a jpg without having to toss out the picture is related to how good the picture was in the first place, what compression setting you have set on jpg and what you will be using the picture for. Sometimes one edit can make a picture unusable. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Sep 19 15:30:30 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:30:30 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <200809190830.30123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 19 September 2008 7:40:28 am John Culleton wrote: > Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in > Slackware-current. Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? Yes, using it since it was offered in Kubuntu. > Comments? None really, Don't see much if any difference to 3.5.9. Everything is just working. Oh, I do notice one thing that happened, my Bluetooth dongle started working but I am not sure if it was KDE or some other update which made it work! It allows me to sync my Palm LifeDrive without having to use the cable! I like that! From joantur at cancullet.org Fri Sep 19 15:42:56 2008 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:42:56 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200809190830.30123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809190830.30123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200809191742.58268.joantur@cancullet.org> | On Friday 19 September 2008 7:40:28 am John Culleton wrote: | > Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in | > Slackware-current.  Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? All news about the different kde versions are available at the Kde's website: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_9to3_5_10.php http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.10.php http://www.kde.org/info/3.5.10.php -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Sep 19 15:48:44 2008 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:48:44 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <20080919155307.128c8d92.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <20080919155307.128c8d92.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20080919164844.498bac42.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:53:07 +0100 James Tappin wrote: JT> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:40:28 -0400 JT> John Culleton wrote: JT> JT> JC> Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 JT> JC> in Slackware-current. Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with JT> JC> Kubuntu? Comments? JT> JC> JT> JT> If you have hardy-backports enabled, you will get 3.5.10 -- I'm not JT> noticed any significant advantages or disadvantages compared with JT> 3.5.[89] JT> I tshould have added, third number updates are bug-fix releases so there shouldn't be much difference. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Sep 19 16:00:04 2008 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:00:04 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <48D3C9EE.7040104@gmail.com> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D3C9EE.7040104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080919170004.37fb6a77.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:49:02 -0500 Michael wrote: M> I am pretty sure 8.04 is a LTS version, so I probably will not M> upgrade my KDE until after 8.04 stops being supported. Not for KDE, there was concern about the potential problems of supporting KDE3.x for 3 years if upstream stops support in a year or so. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 19 16:44:21 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:44:21 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <20080919170004.37fb6a77.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D3C9EE.7040104@gmail.com> <20080919170004.37fb6a77.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <48D3D6E5.5000103@swbell.net> James Tappin wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:49:02 -0500 > Michael wrote: > > M> I am pretty sure 8.04 is a LTS version, so I probably will not > M> upgrade my KDE until after 8.04 stops being supported. > > Not for KDE, there was concern about the potential problems of > supporting KDE3.x for 3 years if upstream stops support in a year or so. > > Then why does my 8.04/KDE 3.5.* show "LTS"? -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Sep 19 16:59:34 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:59:34 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <48D3D6E5.5000103@swbell.net> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D3C9EE.7040104@gmail.com> <20080919170004.37fb6a77.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> <48D3D6E5.5000103@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Walsh schrieb: > James Tappin wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:49:02 -0500 >> Michael wrote: >> >> M> I am pretty sure 8.04 is a LTS version, so I probably will not >> M> upgrade my KDE until after 8.04 stops being supported. >> >> Not for KDE, there was concern about the potential problems of >> supporting KDE3.x for 3 years if upstream stops support in a year or so. >> >> > Then why does my 8.04/KDE 3.5.* show "LTS"? > first google find for "+kubuntu +lts" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002066.html regards Eberhard From bbales at cox.net Fri Sep 19 17:05:22 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:05:22 -0500 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: <9da4567f0809190655t5edb19fgc24318a472cce4df@mail.gmail.com> References: <9da4567f0809190655t5edb19fgc24318a472cce4df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809191205.22679.bbales@cox.net> On Friday 19 September 2008 08:55:34 kokiperex at gmail.com wrote: > > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:26:25 -0500 > > From: Bruce Bales > > Subject: Re: batch for transforming images > > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Message-ID: <200809181726.25708.bbales at cox.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 08:46:28 kokiperex at gmail.com wrote: > >> > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:00:43 -0500 > >> > From: Bruce Bales > >> > Subject: Re: batch for transforming images > >> > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > >> > Message-ID: <200809162200.43457.bbales at cox.net> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > > >> > On Monday 15 September 2008 12:21:03 Peter Klaassen wrote: > >> >> Op Saturday 13 September 2008 21:00:06 schreef David Fletcher: > >> >> > On Saturday 13 Sep 2008, Peter Klaassen wrote: > >> >> > > Is thre a GUI or terminal programm that can resize > >> >> > > all the imgaes in a dir to for instance 800 pixels width > >> >> > >> >> I found aut that digikam can handle these batches very well. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Peter > >> >> Registered Linux user # 458207 > >> > > >> > convert a bunch of pictures titled p8240???.jpg to 800x600 titled > >> > pp8240???.jpg > >> > > >> > for i in p8140*; do convert -sample 800x600 "$i" p$i; done > >> > > >> > If you tell it "-sample 800" without the "x600," it will keep the > >> > same form factor. You have to have imagemagick installed. > >> > bruce > >> > >> I like this ones: > >> > >> mogrify -resize 800x600 *.jpg > >> or > >> mogrify -resize 800 *.jpg > >> or > >> mogrify -resize 50% *.jpg > >> > >> -- > >> Jorge > > > > He said all the images in a dir. To mogrify hundreds of images might > > take a while. The script does them all at once. > > bruce > > But with *.jpg you can change all the images in the dir > --- > Jorge Oooh! My mistake. I'll have to try mogrify. bruce From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Sep 19 17:24:26 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:24:26 +0100 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 19 September 2008 03:58:43 Rick Knight wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I > have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out > connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through > my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have > the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have > the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. > At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input > was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers > and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only > source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. > Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can > anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? Have you tried using the USB connection? I've got an ion USB Turntable and all I had to do was select the correct input in Audacity and click on the record button. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 19 18:01:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:01:29 -0300 Subject: Lock screen when hibernate or suspend pc via acpi References: <48D39DAE.2090107@gmail.com> <7694002.t6WvTNhepE@cedar.serverforest.com> <48D3B09A.3080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6798538.9KZedAJvIO@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Pali Rohár wrote: >> >>> Can you add this script to new kubuntu 8.10? >> >> This is not the place to ask - you need to file a bug at launchpad.net >> (though I'll guarantee you it's too late to make it into 8.10). >> >> However, I'm unsure if that's the right place - Ubuntu seems to be moving >> from acpid to pm-utils. > > yes, remember when i used to whine about hibernate not working with 90% > of the kernels? now i'm using intrepid, i tried 3 kernels so far, and > using pm-hibernate works great! i never realized how much i missed > hibernate till now! Personally I don't find pm-hibernate as good as the acpid version (it's the same actual hibernate code, but different things are happening pre- & post-). 95% or more of the time, it works perfectly, but that 1 in 20 results in some incorrect reinitialization of the graphics adapter, and X won't resume properly, resulting in an eventual reboot. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 19 18:04:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:04:13 -0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <1436225.mp9aEBika6@cedar.serverforest.com> John Culleton wrote: > Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in > Slackware-current. Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? > Comments? > Almost everyone? It's the kurrent version in kubuntu hardy. Looks just like 3.5.9 -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 19 18:07:04 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:07:04 -0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D3C9EE.7040104@gmail.com> <20080919170004.37fb6a77.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> <48D3D6E5.5000103@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2968967.RqM7B0IqX7@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > James Tappin wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:49:02 -0500 >> Michael wrote: >> >> M> I am pretty sure 8.04 is a LTS version, so I probably will not >> M> upgrade my KDE until after 8.04 stops being supported. >> >> Not for KDE, there was concern about the potential problems of >> supporting KDE3.x for 3 years if upstream stops support in a year or so. >> >> > Then why does my 8.04/KDE 3.5.* show "LTS"? Where? I've never seen any mention of LTS. However, if you installed Ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop, you effectively have the LTS version with Kubuntu. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 19 18:08:26 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:08:26 -0300 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <1605600.JCRUAeKxMe@cedar.serverforest.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Friday 19 September 2008 03:58:43 Rick Knight wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. OSS? That's been deprecated for a long time. >> At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input >> was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers >> and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only >> source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. >> Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can >> anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? > > Have you tried using the USB connection? I've got an ion USB Turntable and > all I had to do was select the correct input in Audacity and click on the > record button. For which you'd actually _need_ a device that outputs to USB. -- derek From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Sep 19 18:27:58 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:27:58 +0200 Subject: On killing stuff -- with Elephants. In-Reply-To: <200809191440.06980.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809191440.06980.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809192027.58871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Friday 19 September 2008 14:40, Donn wrote: > Second send - don't think it hit the list. > Just apropos to recent threads about stuff needing killing. Déjà vu, you sent that yesterday, you could have found it in the archives (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-September/author.html) but perrhaps I misunderstood you... What do you mean by "hit the list", that it reached it or made such a deep impression that you would have received a lot of feed-back? BTW I really appreciate that trick but I'm afraid I won't be able to remember it when in need, although you provided two mnemotechnical tricks: > Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring > Or, I remember it as: > Really Stupid Elephants In Ugly Boxers Real stupid me, I didn't get it until today (blush) and Il' never remember the "SysRq" stuff. Thanks Perry -- Who are those people, who don't even belive our lies? From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 18:53:48 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:53:48 +0300 Subject: "Show desktop" button missing In-Reply-To: <200809181113.05672.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48D24CD4.2050302@gmail.com> <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> <48D2629A.9050306@gmail.com> <200809181113.05672.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48D3F53C.1070208@gmail.com> Glenn, thanks. It works now. Georgi Glenn R Williams wrote: > You may need to install the kdeplasma-addons package. Make sure you DON'T > install "extragear-plasma", since that is no longer good. > > Glenn > > On Thursday 18 September 2008 10:15:54 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> Thanks, that is what I thought. However I dont have Show Desktop option >> there. >> >> Glenn R Williams wrote: >> >>> 1. left click on the upper right corner plasma icon >>> 2. click on "add widgets" >>> 3. scroll down to "Show Desktop" >>> 4. click on "add widget" >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> On Thursday 18 September 2008 08:43:00 Georgi Kourtev wrote: >>> >>>> I have installed KDE 4.1.1 and realised that the button 'Show Desktop' >>>> (which minimises all windows) at the Widgets is not available. Does >>>> anyone knows how to put this icon on? >>>> > > From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Sep 19 18:56:28 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:56:28 +0100 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <1605600.JCRUAeKxMe@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1605600.JCRUAeKxMe@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809191956.28519.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 19 September 2008 19:08:26 Derek Broughton wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Friday 19 September 2008 03:58:43 Rick Knight wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I > >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out > >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through > >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have > >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have > >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. > > OSS? That's been deprecated for a long time. > > >> At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input > >> was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers > >> and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only > >> source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. > >> Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can > >> anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? > > > > Have you tried using the USB connection? I've got an ion USB Turntable > > and all I had to do was select the correct input in Audacity and click on > > the record button. > > For which you'd actually _need_ a device that outputs to USB. Which I thought he had from the first line: > >> I have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 19 19:02:12 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:02:12 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <1221802041.12737.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <1221802041.12737.138.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48D3F734.4080300@rlknight.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 19:58 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. >> At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input >> was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers >> and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only >> source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. >> Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can >> anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? >> > > Maybe it has something to do with PulseAudio?? Is it installed?? I'm new > to kubuntu, but over at the Fedora side some of the users had to remove > PulseAudio when they had recording problems. Me, I've never used it. > Trouble shooting with a shotgun here, it may be a place to look though. > YMMV, Ric > > Problem solved. I had checked the "capture" device in alsamixer and it was unmuted and the level was at 74. In Kmix, the "capture" device was muted and the level was at 0. I unmuted the device and raised the level and Audacity started working. Not sure why Alsamixer and Kmix would differ in settings, but everything is working now. Rick From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 19 19:11:59 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:11:59 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <48D3F97F.1010107@rlknight.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Friday 19 September 2008 03:58:43 Rick Knight wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. >> At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input >> was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers >> and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only >> source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. >> Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can >> anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? >> > > Have you tried using the USB connection? I've got an ion USB Turntable and all > I had to do was select the correct input in Audacity and click on the record > button. > > > Yes, I did try the USB connection and it didn't work also. Now that I've solved the problem I'll try the USB port again as it's the way I would prefer to connect the TT. Thanks, Rick From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 19:12:44 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:12:44 +0300 Subject: Nokia phone synchronisation Message-ID: <48D3F9AC.9010007@gmail.com> Hi all. I have Nokia N61 and wonder whether there is a way to sync its address book with my default email program Kontakt's address book. i have looked and some forums but most of them comment how to connect to internet via mobile phone, rather than the above issue. Thanks. From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 19 19:16:49 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:16:49 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <1605600.JCRUAeKxMe@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1605600.JCRUAeKxMe@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48D3FAA1.404@rlknight.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > >> On Friday 19 September 2008 03:58:43 Rick Knight wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >>> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >>> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >>> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >>> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >>> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. >>> > > OSS? That's been deprecated for a long time. > > >>> At one point I thought I had it working, but it turned out the mic input >>> was not muted and the mic was picking up the sound from the PC speakers >>> and recording that. When I muted the mic and made sure that the only >>> source was line1 and that it was not muted, I got no recording again. >>> Recording from mic seems to work while recording line1 does not. Can >>> anyone tell me how to get Audacity to work? >>> >> Have you tried using the USB connection? I've got an ion USB Turntable and >> all I had to do was select the correct input in Audacity and click on the >> record button. >> > > For which you'd actually _need_ a device that outputs to USB. > Derek, I'm using ALSA on my system, but Audacity's config page lists OSS:/dev/dsp as the first and default choice. There are also several other choices for alsa with my SB card, but none of them seemed to work. And my AudioTechnica TT has 3 outputs, standard mag phono, linelevel and USB. Thanks, Rick From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 20:48:27 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:48:27 +0200 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/19 Rick Knight : > Hello all, > > I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I > have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out > connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through > my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have > the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have > the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. Are you sure you need to use OSS? Should you not select your ALSA input? / Jonas From admin at asaguiar.med.br Fri Sep 19 22:33:02 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:33:02 -0300 Subject: Nokia phone synchronisation In-Reply-To: <48D3F9AC.9010007@gmail.com> References: <48D3F9AC.9010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809191933.03731@portatil01> Em Sexta 19 Set 2008 às 16:12, Georgi Kourtev declarou solenemente: > i have looked and some forums but most of them comment how to connect to > internet via mobile phone, rather than the above issue. Kmobile has done this job quite well for other Nokia model. You might give it a try. Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible. -- Albert Einstein From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 19 22:37:47 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:37:47 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/19 Rick Knight : > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. >> > > Are you sure you need to use OSS? Should you not select your ALSA input? > > / Jonas > > No, I'm not sure I need OSS. I tried the ALSA devices but they didn't work either and they gave me an error that OSS didn't give me (Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate.). Now that I have Audacity working with OSS I've gone back and tried the ALSA drivers and they still don't work and still give the same error message. Is there a trick to setting up Audacity with ALSA on Kubuntu? Thanks, Rick From dave at thefletchers.net Fri Sep 19 22:42:33 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:42:33 +0100 Subject: batch for transforming images In-Reply-To: References: <9da4567f0809190655t5edb19fgc24318a472cce4df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809192342.40234.dave@thefletchers.net> > > .jpg is lossy and thus every time you open and then save it or change > it you lose detail. PNG is way better because you don't loose > anything. > Which is precisely why I take my images in raw format, transform them using ufraw into png format for viewing/storage, and use the script I posted to transform a directory of copies of my png files to jpg for digital printing. The printing services only accept jpg format, as far as I know. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From rscrawford at mossroot.com Fri Sep 19 22:51:04 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:51:04 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <200809191551.04531.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Friday 19 September 2008 07:40:28 John Culleton wrote: > Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in > Slackware-current.  Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? > Comments? None, except that the Mal channel still doesn't exist in KPilot. Bugger. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From rick_knight at rlknight.com Fri Sep 19 22:58:49 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:58:49 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <48D42EA9.5040501@rlknight.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/19 Rick Knight : > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. >> > > Are you sure you need to use OSS? Should you not select your ALSA input? > > / Jonas > > Jonas, I've gone back into Audacity config and checked my ALSA drivers. They only combination that does not give the error message beside OSS is... Playback device>ALSA:SB PCI512 [CT4790]: ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback (hw:0,0) Record device>ALSA:SB PCI512 [CT4790]: ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback (hw:0,0) I'll try recording with this tonight. Rick From admin at asaguiar.med.br Fri Sep 19 23:11:08 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:11:08 -0300 Subject: Nokia phone synchronisation In-Reply-To: <200809191933.03731@portatil01> References: <48D3F9AC.9010007@gmail.com> <200809191933.03731@portatil01> Message-ID: <200809192011.09711@portatil01> Em Sexta 19 Set 2008 às 19:33, Alexandre Aguiar escreveu: > Kmobile has done this job quite well for other Nokia model. Kmobiletools. Sorry. Alexandre Alexandre -- personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) -- The future is created through hard work. -- Jaime Escalante From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 04:59:25 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:59:25 +0200 Subject: On killing stuff -- with Elephants. In-Reply-To: <200809191440.06980.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809191440.06980.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D4832D.2090405@gmail.com> On 19/09/2008 Donn wrote: > Second send - don't think it hit the list. > Just apropos to recent threads about stuff needing killing. No, it did Donn. The old google sent mail blackhole has just hit you. Pretty useful, thanks - though I knew it. ;-) -- lanzen From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 06:24:21 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:24:21 +0200 Subject: On killing stuff -- with Elephants. In-Reply-To: <200809192027.58871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200809191440.06980.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200809192027.58871.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200809200824.21876.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday, 19 September 2008 20:27:58 Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > What do you mean by "hit the list", that it reached it or made such a deep > impression that you would have received a lot of feed-back? No, I meant only that I had a bad email day and lots of stuff I sent didn't actually send. Kmail was also crashing, to make life simpler ;) I should have checked the archives first, never thought of it. \d From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 06:29:20 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:29:20 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200809191742.58268.joantur@cancullet.org> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809190830.30123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200809191742.58268.joantur@cancullet.org> Message-ID: <48D49840.5020506@gmail.com> Joan Tur wrote: > | On Friday 19 September 2008 7:40:28 am John Culleton wrote: > | > Slackware, which always is a late adopter, now offers KDE 3.5.10 in > | > Slackware-current. Has anyone here used KDE 3.5.10 with Kubuntu? > > All news about the different kde versions are available at the Kde's website: > > http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_9to3_5_10.php > http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.10.php > http://www.kde.org/info/3.5.10.php > > If you are using Kontact and have distribution-lists make sure you have these backed up/exported somehow. The format has changed betweend 3.5.9 and 10 and you will not find your existing distribution lists.... a solution has been published but I am not sure it has been distributed. Sinclair From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Sat Sep 20 10:37:25 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:37:25 +0200 Subject: Nokia phone synchronisation References: <48D3F9AC.9010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Hi all. I have Nokia N61 and wonder whether there is a way to sync its > address book with my default email program Kontakt's address book. > > i have looked and some forums but most of them comment how to connect to > internet via mobile phone, rather than the above issue. Check the opensync page if it is supported. I had success with N95 and the syncml plugin Jan From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 19 19:26:34 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:26:34 -0300 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <200809191824.26701.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <1605600.JCRUAeKxMe@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809191956.28519.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <1962339.5Waa3DvteH@cedar.serverforest.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Friday 19 September 2008 19:08:26 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Mark Fraser wrote: >> > On Friday 19 September 2008 03:58:43 Rick Knight wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. >> >> I have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line >> >> out connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl >> For which you'd actually _need_ a device that outputs to USB. > > Which I thought he had from the first line: > >> >> I have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. Doh. So sorry, you're absolutely right. I'll just crawl off and hide now... -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 12:27:23 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:27:23 +0300 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! 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From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sat Sep 20 15:42:05 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:42:05 +0200 Subject: kaffeine won't play DVDs (8.04) In-Reply-To: <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> References: <200809201452.27263.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809201742.05268.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Samstag, 20. September 2008 15:52:22 schrieb Billie Walsh: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Pulled libdvdcss from medibuntu, still kaffeine says it can't play > > encrypted DVDs. Tried SMplayer, plays them alright. How come? > > > > Dex > > In Kaffeine go to Settings>Xine Engine Performance>Media. Down where it > says "dvd device" change that to reflect your DVD drive. Mine reads > "/dev/scd0". > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. Hah. Works. Thanks. The error message here is misleading. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? 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URL: From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sat Sep 20 16:42:58 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:42:58 +0200 Subject: turning japanese with 8.04 Message-ID: <200809201842.59078.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Migrated a friend to Linux, i.e. Kubuntu yesterday. So far, so good. She studies japanese, so I need tools to input japanese signs. What should one install here? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 17:05:55 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:05:55 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1.1 Task manager In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400809200935o76fb645bv666c175ec0c2a9b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49b3a7400809200935o76fb645bv666c175ec0c2a9b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D52D73.8070606@gmail.com> Tycho Andersen wrote: > Hello, > > Sometimes, KDE 4.1.1 (Task Manager widget) keeps things on the task manager > after their processes die (a major culprit is the "Run Command" ALT+F2 > menu). Is anyone else experiencing this? Does anyone know a way to "reap" > the task manager of these dead processes once in a while? > > TIA! > Tycho > > i noticed this too, but i give task manager focus (clicking mouse on it, restoring from minimize, etc..) i wait around 2 seconds, and everything becomes normal again. this also happens for newly started processes. they also don't appear straight away, but appear a couple of seconds after starting to watch task manager. but also note that this doesn't happen all the time! only around half the times i used it. there are times when the program would be working flawlessly and updating the process list fast without any lags! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john at wexfordpress.com Sat Sep 20 17:09:01 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:09:01 -0400 Subject: Qt 4.4? Message-ID: <200809201309.02019.john@wexfordpress.com> Does any version of Kubuntu use Qt 4.4? it is required for development versions of Scribus. -- John Culleton From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 17:17:30 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:17:30 -0400 Subject: Qt 4.4? In-Reply-To: <200809201309.02019.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809201309.02019.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <200809201317.30888.pkaplan1@comcast.net> 8.04 On Saturday 20 September 2008 13:09:01 John Culleton wrote: > Does any version of Kubuntu use Qt 4.4? it is required for development > versions of Scribus. > -- > John Culleton From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 19:05:22 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:05:22 +0200 Subject: kaffeine won't play DVDs (8.04) In-Reply-To: <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> References: <200809201452.27263.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: >> Pulled libdvdcss from medibuntu, still kaffeine says it can't play encrypted >> DVDs. Tried SMplayer, plays them alright. How come? >> >> Dex >> >> > In Kaffeine go to Settings>Xine Engine Performance>Media. Down where it > says "dvd device" change that to reflect your DVD drive. Mine reads > "/dev/scd0". This may work for you but is not the real answer and you will still have other programs that break from the same problem. Go back and read the archives about this problem. You need to rename the file called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules to xxxx.bak and reboot. All will then work unless you really have some other problem. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From john at wexfordpress.com Sat Sep 20 19:13:40 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:13:40 -0400 Subject: multiple screen resolutions. Message-ID: <200809201513.40734.john@wexfordpress.com> In my Slack 12.0 system xorg.conf has lines like this: Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection This allows cycling through various screen resolutions. Can I just insert these lines in my Kubuntu xorg.conf? -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From john at wexfordpress.com Sat Sep 20 19:19:37 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:19:37 -0400 Subject: Qt 4.4? In-Reply-To: <200809201317.30888.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200809201309.02019.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809201317.30888.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200809201519.37425.john@wexfordpress.com> On Saturday 20 September 2008 01:17:30 pm Paul Kaplan wrote: > 8.04 > > On Saturday 20 September 2008 13:09:01 John Culleton wrote: > > Does any version of Kubuntu use Qt 4.4? it is required for > > development versions of Scribus. > > -- > > John Culleton Thanks. Is there an upgrade path or do I need to reinstall? My disk dates back to January so it was probably not 8.04. -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Sep 20 19:33:33 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:33:33 -0400 Subject: multiple screen resolutions. In-Reply-To: <200809201513.40734.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809201513.40734.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <200809201533.44162.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Saturday 20 September 2008 15:13:40 John Culleton wrote: > In my Slack 12.0 system xorg.conf has lines like this: >  Subsection "Display" >         Depth       24 >         Modes  "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" >     EndSubsection > > This allows cycling through various screen resolutions. Can I just > insert these lines in my Kubuntu xorg.conf? Some will work, others won't. The modes you use have to be defined in another section of xorg.conf. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 19:40:59 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:40:59 +0300 Subject: multiple screen resolutions. In-Reply-To: <200809201533.44162.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200809201513.40734.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809201533.44162.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48D551CB.6010207@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 15:13:40 John Culleton wrote: >> In my Slack 12.0 system xorg.conf has lines like this: >> �Subsection "Display" >> � � � � Depth � � � 24 >> � � � � Modes �"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" >> � � EndSubsection >> >> This allows cycling through various screen resolutions. Can I just >> insert these lines in my Kubuntu xorg.conf? > > Some will work, others won't. The modes you use have to be defined in another > section of xorg.conf. > after days of trying to get a working x, along with the vga working and all when i first installed hardy, i got in the habit of saving my xorg.conf on a remote PC. now i use this same file after each reinstall, i just do some slight editing to it. for example, now in intrepid, i can safely remove my input fields in the file. and had to remove 2 high resolutions since i now use a new horrible monitor that can't support my "out of range" resolutions. it's a lot simpler.... -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john at wexfordpress.com Sat Sep 20 19:43:31 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:43:31 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> <1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> Message-ID: <200809201543.31758.john@wexfordpress.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 04:45:21 am Girard Henri wrote: > >From time to time this question is asked ! > > It should be better to write it down on kubuntu or ubuntu doc > I think it's somewhere anyhow because i found it one day :) > x...buntu family use sudo with an user at installation > I don't like it though i am using it for few years now > i like to decide myself what i have to do... open mind !! > then you use sudo and you are ask for your password ! > if you want to create a root passwd and work as root > do this : > but if you break your linux one day don't complain :) lol > in a shell : > sudo passwd root > and you are asked for your password and an unix one :) > then you should get "ok" > su root and password and you become root > to install it in gdm or kdm go to /etc/gdm or kdm .conf > and change allowrootlogin=false to true > save and restart the manager > /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm restart > then you should be able to work as root > often it doesn't work so well > for kdm_kde4 you have to find it in /usr/lib/kde4/apps/kdm.conf > but i am not sure where exactly it is as i don't use it .. it's > crap on my computer ! > on ubuntu i use gdm and installed kde4.1 after from ppa.. > wish you good enjoying :) > > Le mardi 05 août 2008 à 10:05 +0200, Ulrich Grün a écrit : > > 2008/8/5 Gordon Schulz : > > > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:15, Sadik AYTAC wrote: > > >> During install I was not asked to set up a root password and > > >> the user I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do > > >> I get the root? > > > > > > What others already said... But if you are like me and don't > > > like the whole sudo thing - 'sudo passwd' will allow you to set > > > a seperate root password. > > > > But then you still need to use sudo, since every application that > > needs root-privileges, will ask for your sudo passwd. > > This behaviour could probably be changed as well, but I don't > > know how. > > I can't find allowrootlogin=false I use kde. I am past the age of consent. (Born 1932). I have used some version of Linux since about 1996. Before that I had Unix, Xenix, Coherent etc. I'll try booting up in repair mode or whatever and changing it there. There are 1001 reasons to hang on to my old partition from a different distro. This may be one of them. -- John Culleton From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 19:58:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:58:39 +0300 Subject: Qt 4.4? In-Reply-To: <200809201519.37425.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809201309.02019.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809201317.30888.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200809201519.37425.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <48D555EF.7090405@gmail.com> John Culleton wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 01:17:30 pm Paul Kaplan wrote: >> 8.04 >> >> On Saturday 20 September 2008 13:09:01 John Culleton wrote: >>> Does any version of Kubuntu use Qt 4.4? it is required for >>> development versions of Scribus. >>> -- >>> John Culleton > > Thanks. Is there an upgrade path or do I need to reinstall? My disk > dates back to January so it was probably not 8.04. > simply type in a terminal (konsole): lsb_release -r -s this will give you what version of (k)ubuntu you're using, you can type: lsb_release -a if you want to know more about you're system. if it shows 7.10 (gutsy gibbon) then you can use the procedure here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu o upgrade. otherwise, if it shows an older version, i'm afraid you'll have to reinstall, since doing multiple upgrades up to hardy is time consuming and not very recommended. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sat Sep 20 20:05:16 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:05:16 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200809201543.31758.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> <200809201543.31758.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <200809202205.16366.kassube@gmx.net> John Culleton wrote: > I can't find allowrootlogin=false > I use kde. If you are using KDE 3.5.x you find it in "/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc". The line reads "AllowRootLogin=false". Nils From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 20:21:36 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:21:36 -0400 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <1221942096.7696.1.camel@iam> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 15:37 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > Jonas Norlander wrote: > > 2008/9/19 Rick Knight : > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I > >> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out > >> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through > >> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have > >> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have > >> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. > >> > > > > Are you sure you need to use OSS? Should you not select your ALSA input? > > > > / Jonas > > > > > No, I'm not sure I need OSS. I tried the ALSA devices but they didn't > work either and they gave me an error that OSS didn't give me (Error > while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and > the project sample rate.). Now that I have Audacity working with OSS > I've gone back and tried the ALSA drivers and they still don't work and > still give the same error message. Is there a trick to setting up > Audacity with ALSA on Kubuntu? Did you get the message "device /dev/snd missing"? Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 20:29:37 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:29:37 -0400 Subject: getting nvidia display drivers In-Reply-To: <48D37116.8020705@gmail.com> References: <48D37116.8020705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221942577.7696.7.camel@iam> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:29 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i installed kubuntu intrepid 32-bit on my PC, but i'm still lacking the > display drivers for my nvidia geforce 7300. > jockey-kde, or more know as the hardware drivers program, crashes > exactly as explained in this bug report > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/271317 > > i tried installing envyng, but it's not working properly too, I just used it last week and it worked like a charm, on a fairly new install. Sure you were connected to the net when you used it? Study up on what driver you wish to install, and try the manual method and see if that works. If it still bombs, dnload the driver directly from nVidia into your home directory and try it again. I just happened to have the .bin file and it picked up on it and installed that. The usual manual install wants you to be in text mode, with no X running, and since I've not figured out how to do "init 3" to run in text mode with kubuntu, this app did the trick to install the modules/drivers while X was running and after rebooted the system. I thought that was a pretty slick application! It is kinda tricky to grok at first. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 21:02:42 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:02:42 +0300 Subject: getting nvidia display drivers In-Reply-To: <1221942577.7696.7.camel@iam> References: <48D37116.8020705@gmail.com> <1221942577.7696.7.camel@iam> Message-ID: <48D564F2.8050603@gmail.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:29 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i installed kubuntu intrepid 32-bit on my PC, but i'm still lacking the >> display drivers for my nvidia geforce 7300. >> jockey-kde, or more know as the hardware drivers program, crashes >> exactly as explained in this bug report >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/271317 >> >> i tried installing envyng, but it's not working properly too, > > I just used it last week and it worked like a charm, on a fairly new > install. Sure you were connected to the net when you used it? Study up > on what driver you wish to install, and try the manual method and see if > that works. If it still bombs, dnload the driver directly from nVidia > into your home directory and try it again. I just happened to have > the .bin file and it picked up on it and installed that. The usual > manual install wants you to be in text mode, with no X running, and > since I've not figured out how to do "init 3" to run in text mode with > kubuntu, this app did the trick to install the modules/drivers while X > was running and after rebooted the system. I thought that was a pretty > slick application! It is kinda tricky to grok at first. :) Ric > thanks ric, i did more search through the repos, and passed by nvidia-glx-177, which was what i wanted. i know about nvidia's official driver, but it crashed my hardy install few months ago, so now i have a phobia from this scary file still sitting in my home directory :P to install the driver from text mode, click ctrl-alt-f1, this will put you in tty1, login, and type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop", this will shut down kde. and then run the driver package, but be careful with it though. after you're done, restart using "sudo shutdown -r now" -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Sep 20 22:25:09 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:25:09 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i just read in slashdot > (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230) that > canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since > these are important for the user experience etc.. > what about w32codecs though? it's in medibuntu and not the universe > repos, but aren't these enough? w32codecs are illegal. Canonical's codecs will be like Opera (which they already distribute), legal but proprietary. Pick your poison... Matt Flaschen From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 23:01:07 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:01:07 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221951667.7696.20.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 15:27 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i just read in slashdot > (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230) that > canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since > these are important for the user experience etc.. > what about w32codecs though? it's in medibuntu and not the universe > repos, but aren't these enough? i can play all the DVDs i ever got in > kubuntu using w32codecs allright. as for songs, i usually prefer to > convert everyting to ogg using oggconvert, but i already have mp3 and rm > support. so what codecs are they planning to sell? does this affect > w32codecs in anyway? There is a package of codecs that has been for sale for some time. I ferget the name. Hopefully someone will jump in with it. I guess Canonical could sell them as easily as anyone else, with it's large customer base. Meanwhile, I doubt it will affect anyone using the mplayer, xine and ffmpeg codex's without much to worry over. Heck, way back when a $10 investment in oss was the only route to enable most motherboard based sound cards. With a lifetime of updates, it wasn't a bad deal. It was 10 bucks or beat your brains out for weeks, to no effect, so you did have a choice. Plus Hannu released his source later on, so things worked out in the end by keeping the "Open" in "Open-Source". BTW, OSS is not "depreciated". It is still alive and well. Only Hannu can depreciate it, as it's his intellectual child. I think the website is http://www.opensound.com Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 23:05:39 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:05:39 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200809202205.16366.kassube@gmx.net> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> <200809201543.31758.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809202205.16366.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1221951940.7696.22.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 22:05 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > John Culleton wrote: > > I can't find allowrootlogin=false > > I use kde. > > If you are using KDE 3.5.x you find it in "/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc". The line > reads "AllowRootLogin=false". Works good, too! -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 23:12:01 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:12:01 -0400 Subject: getting nvidia display drivers In-Reply-To: <48D564F2.8050603@gmail.com> References: <48D37116.8020705@gmail.com> <1221942577.7696.7.camel@iam> <48D564F2.8050603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221952321.7696.29.camel@iam> On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 00:02 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > thanks ric, i did more search through the repos, and passed by > nvidia-glx-177, which was what i wanted. i know about nvidia's official > driver, but it crashed my hardy install few months ago, so now i have a > phobia from this scary file still sitting in my home directory :P > > to install the driver from text mode, click ctrl-alt-f1, this will put > you in tty1, login, and type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop", this will shut > down kde. and then run the driver package, but be careful with it > though. after you're done, restart using "sudo shutdown -r now" Thanks! I'm used to the RedHat init statement to really shut down X with an "init 3". I noticed there is no "inittab" in /etc with Kubuntu too. I installed the bin file using a terminal and X went ape. Using Envy there was nary a burp in the barrel and my framerate as reported by GLXgears went up 50%. It worked for me beautifully. So, that is what I'd suggest. YMMV, Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From slewin at bmts.com Sat Sep 20 23:34:17 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:34:17 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > w32codecs are illegal. I'm not a professional in law, but I'm pretty sure it is only illegal in certain countries. I highly doubt w32codecs is illegal in all countries. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 21 01:08:33 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:08:33 -0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809190830.30123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200809191742.58268.joantur@cancullet.org> <48D49840.5020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3450657.HLVVOUVA8X@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > If you are using Kontact and have distribution-lists make sure you have > these backed up/exported somehow. The format has changed betweend 3.5.9 > and 10 and you will not find your existing distribution lists.... a > solution has been published but I am not sure it has been distributed. It can't be so simple. I have a distribution list that I use exactly once a year, and I used it this August without problems, yet the last time I used it was under 3.5.9. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 21 01:12:04 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:12:04 -0300 Subject: multiple screen resolutions. References: <200809201513.40734.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <1315384.mfXrO1cqjc@cedar.serverforest.com> John Culleton wrote: > In my Slack 12.0 system xorg.conf has lines like this: > Subsection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubsection > > This allows cycling through various screen resolutions. Can I just > insert these lines in my Kubuntu xorg.conf? As Art said, the modelines either have to be defaulted or specified elsewhere. But X is X - you should just be able to use the xorg.conf from your Slackware system. -- derek From rick_knight at rlknight.com Sun Sep 21 02:42:38 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:42:38 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <1221942096.7696.1.camel@iam> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> <1221942096.7696.1.camel@iam> Message-ID: <48D5B49E.403@rlknight.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 15:37 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > >> Jonas Norlander wrote: >> >>> 2008/9/19 Rick Knight : >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to record some vinyl using Audacity and having no success. I >>>> have an Audio Technica USB turntable with line out. I have the line out >>>> connected to the line in on my sound card. I can play the vinyl through >>>> my PC speakers but I cannot get Audacity to record it. In Kmix I have >>>> the record input set to line1 and line1 is not muted. In audacity I have >>>> the record source set to OSS:/dev/dsp, same setting for playback device. >>>> >>>> >>> Are you sure you need to use OSS? Should you not select your ALSA input? >>> >>> / Jonas >>> >>> >>> >> No, I'm not sure I need OSS. I tried the ALSA devices but they didn't >> work either and they gave me an error that OSS didn't give me (Error >> while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and >> the project sample rate.). Now that I have Audacity working with OSS >> I've gone back and tried the ALSA drivers and they still don't work and >> still give the same error message. Is there a trick to setting up >> Audacity with ALSA on Kubuntu? >> > > Did you get the message "device /dev/snd missing"? Ric > > No, I did not get that message. Also, as I said in a previous post I have been able to get the ALSA drivers to work. But I still cannot get the USB input to work, with Audacity or in general. In fact, my USB device does not show up in Alsamixer. It shows up in Kmix, but only as an input device and just as a microphone. No sound from the USB at all. Is there additional configuration required for a USB device with ALSA? Thanks, Rick From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Sep 21 03:02:36 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:02:36 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200809202302.37010.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 20 September 2008 7:34:17 pm Scott wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > w32codecs are illegal. > > I'm not a professional in law, but I'm pretty sure it is only illegal in > certain countries. I highly doubt w32codecs is illegal in all countries. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > http://sgaming.org > > Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/the-legality-or-illegality-of-w32codecs- and-libdvdcss2/ this piece has some good info, but doesn't clear it up a lot. Those of us without any windows licenses at all anywhere are probably where this is targeted. -- Clay Weber From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 03:36:05 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:36:05 -0400 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48D5B49E.403@rlknight.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> <1221942096.7696.1.camel@iam> <48D5B49E.403@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <1221968165.7696.113.camel@iam> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 19:42 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > Did you get the message "device /dev/snd missing"? Ric > > > > > No, I did not get that message. Also, as I said in a previous post I > have been able to get the ALSA drivers to work. But I still cannot get > the USB input to work, with Audacity or in general. In fact, my USB > device does not show up in Alsamixer. It shows up in Kmix, but only as > an input device and just as a microphone. No sound from the USB at all. > Is there additional configuration required for a USB device with ALSA? If you have the terminal command "lsusb" handy, that will tell you what the system sees attached to usb. It's been ages since I had to use it to set up a webcam, but getting the device's numbers may be of use to you, if it shows up. If your device doesn't show up, then it's another can of worms. Have you goggled on your USB device to see if others have a similar problem?? If so, you may just have to forgo using it as a USB device and do the patch cord thing that you said did work. I really wish I or another could be of more help. Maybe getting a 3 foot or so stereo cable extension would prevent you from having to dink with the backside of your system. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From bpremeaux at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 04:19:36 2008 From: bpremeaux at gmail.com (Barry Premeaux) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:19:36 -0700 Subject: turning japanese with 8.04 In-Reply-To: <200809201842.59078.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809201842.59078.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <6c6b0bfc0809202119k44ef8f21i253a76dde8a7643b@mail.gmail.com> For Thai support, I install the locales in KDE for Thai language in addition to my primary english language locales. Once you have installed the locales for Japanese, you will also need to install the assorted fonts for Japanese. You should then be able to go into KDE Control Center and add the Japanese language for the keyboard. I believe this will give her a button down on the kicker panel that will allow her to select between languages for the keyboard. When I played with a Thai version of Knoppix and a Thai Linux based on Fedora, they both had the button. You may have to do some searching on google for the keyboard layout. There are a couple versions for Thai and I had to find the right one. Barry On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dexter Filmore wrote: > Migrated a friend to Linux, i.e. Kubuntu yesterday. > So far, so good. > She studies japanese, so I need tools to input japanese signs. > > What should one install here? > > Dex > > > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- > w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ > b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Sun Sep 21 05:16:08 2008 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:16:08 +0100 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <48D5D898.1080502@candt.waitrose.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i just read in slashdot >> (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230) that >> canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since >> these are important for the user experience etc.. >> what about w32codecs though? it's in medibuntu and not the universe >> repos, but aren't these enough? > > w32codecs are illegal. Which country are you referring to? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Sun Sep 21 05:24:49 2008 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:24:49 +0100 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D5DAA1.8090500@candt.waitrose.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i just read in slashdot > (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230) that > canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since > these are important for the user experience etc.. > what about w32codecs though? it's in medibuntu and not the universe > repos, but aren't these enough? i can play all the DVDs i ever got in > kubuntu using w32codecs allright. as for songs, i usually prefer to > convert everyting to ogg using oggconvert, but i already have mp3 and rm > support. so what codecs are they planning to sell? does this affect > w32codecs in anyway? As commented in the responses to the slashdot article, it is likely to be an advantage to oem installers to be able to use a one stop shop for such needs. An obvious difference between winworld and k/ubuntu world is that almost all windows users around the world bought their windows on a pre installed machine. A business like and convenient method of obtaining certain codecs will facilitate more oem activity for k/ubuntu. Some end users may also find a retail product useful. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Sep 21 05:34:51 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:34:51 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48D5DCFB.7050809@gatech.edu> Scott wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> w32codecs are illegal. > I'm not a professional in law, but I'm pretty sure it is only illegal in > certain countries. I highly doubt w32codecs is illegal in all countries. I never said it was illegal in all countries. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Sep 21 05:38:46 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:38:46 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D5D898.1080502@candt.waitrose.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <48D5D898.1080502@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <48D5DDE6.9080509@gatech.edu> alan c wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> Willy K. Hamra wrote: >>> i just read in slashdot >>> (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230) that >>> canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since >>> these are important for the user experience etc.. >>> what about w32codecs though? it's in medibuntu and not the universe >>> repos, but aren't these enough? >> w32codecs are illegal. > > Which country are you referring to? Mine, of course. If you want legal information valid for all countries, you should expect to pay someone. Matt Flaschen From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 05:55:37 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:55:37 +0200 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D5DDE6.9080509@gatech.edu> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <48D5D898.1080502@candt.waitrose.com> <48D5DDE6.9080509@gatech.edu> Message-ID: >> Which country are you referring to? > > Mine, of course. If you want legal information valid for all countries, > you should expect to pay someone. > > Matt Flaschen > And you think we know where you live? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 06:17:54 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:17:54 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D5DDE6.9080509@gatech.edu> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <48D5D898.1080502@candt.waitrose.com> <48D5DDE6.9080509@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1221977874.15351.20.camel@iam> On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 01:38 -0400, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > alan c wrote: > > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >>> i just read in slashdot > >>> (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230) that > >>> canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since > >>> these are important for the user experience etc.. > >>> what about w32codecs though? it's in medibuntu and not the universe > >>> repos, but aren't these enough? > >> w32codecs are illegal. > > > > Which country are you referring to? > > Mine, of course. If you want legal information valid for all countries, > you should expect to pay someone. He didn't ask that. He merely asked "Which country" ...expecting a singular answer. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 21 06:19:14 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:19:14 +1000 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D5DCFB.7050809@gatech.edu> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> <48D5DCFB.7050809@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <200809211619.14216.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Sunday 21 September 2008 15:34:51 Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Scott wrote: > > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> w32codecs are illegal. > > > > I'm not a professional in law, but I'm pretty sure it is only illegal in > > certain countries. I highly doubt w32codecs is illegal in all countries. > > I never said it was illegal in all countries. Well actually you pretty much did. > w32codecs are illegal.  Canonical's codecs will be like Opera (which > they already distribute), legal but proprietary.  Pick your poison... Without specifying a country than the only assumption is you mean international. -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Canonical's codecs will be like Opera (which > > > they already distribute), legal but proprietary. Pick your > poison... > > Without specifying a country than the only assumption is you mean > international. Seemed that way to me, as well. I doubt that the jackboots are gonna kick in my door, here in the US, over some codecs any way. But, the underlying technology to playback/recording of encrypted DVD's and MP3's is patented. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2005-10/msg00222.html is a good intelligent and brief review on that topic. While it's illegal as heck to run a red light, you can run them all day long ...until you're caught and prosecuted and the law becomes enforced. Using OGG is really the best bet all around. Then we screw the bozo's. No one needs libdvdcss2 as long as no one buys encrypted DVD's? Making a point to tell the artists about that is about all else that you can do. The pendulum aways swings. I think I'll fire off an email to Bono and Sting. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 07:13:43 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:13:43 +0200 Subject: kaffeine won't play DVDs (8.04) In-Reply-To: <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> References: <200809201452.27263.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809210913.43548.valtermura@gmail.com> Il sabato 20 settembre 2008 15:52:22 Billie Walsh ha scritto: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Pulled libdvdcss from medibuntu, still kaffeine says it can't play > > encrypted DVDs. Tried SMplayer, plays them alright. How come? > > > > Dex > > In Kaffeine go to Settings>Xine Engine Performance>Media. Down where it > says "dvd device" change that to reflect your DVD drive. Mine reads > "/dev/scd0". In my case, which number of region should I put? I live in Italy, Europe. TIA, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 21 07:46:55 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:46:55 +0200 Subject: kaffeine won't play DVDs (8.04) In-Reply-To: <200809210913.43548.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200809201452.27263.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> <200809210913.43548.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809210946.56256.kassube@gmx.net> Valter Mura wrote: > Il sabato 20 settembre 2008 15:52:22 Billie Walsh ha scritto: > > In Kaffeine go to Settings>Xine Engine Performance>Media. Down where > > it says "dvd device" change that to reflect your DVD drive. Mine > > reads "/dev/scd0". > > In my case, which number of region should I put? I live in Italy, > Europe. I'm not sure why you want to change the region. Anyway, you can read about it here: And please note: On most DVD players you can change the region code only a very few times. Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 09:39:46 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:39:46 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <3450657.HLVVOUVA8X@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809191040.28578.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809190830.30123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200809191742.58268.joantur@cancullet.org> <48D49840.5020506@gmail.com> <3450657.HLVVOUVA8X@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48D61662.7030107@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> If you are using Kontact and have distribution-lists make sure you have >> these backed up/exported somehow. The format has changed betweend 3.5.9 >> and 10 and you will not find your existing distribution lists.... a >> solution has been published but I am not sure it has been distributed. > > It can't be so simple. I have a distribution list that I use exactly once a > year, and I used it this August without problems, yet the last time I used > it was under 3.5.9. I had a long discussion both on kde-pim-users mailinglist and with the maintainer of the code. the way distribution-lists are stored have changed between versions. Here a quote from those mails: "--- Comment #2 from Tobias Koenig 2008-09-04 11:45:27 --- Hej, there is a tool now in 3.5 branch, which will upgrade the distribution lists to the new format automatically. Please bug your distributor to provide updated patches soon. Ciao, Tobias" possibly you got the tool, quote once more: "kabcdistlistupdater, however you don't have to run it manually, it is executed automatically on next KDE startup once it is installed." it was then in the svn branch, this was early September. I since seem to have got it myself as I know see the old lists! Sinclair From paulvarjak at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 10:26:07 2008 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Salva .) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:26:07 +0200 Subject: weird behaviour Message-ID: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> Yesterday I was running a script to remove orphaned packages. The list of packages removed is: libcaptury0 python-gnome2 libzip1 kdepimlibs-data libpqxx-2.6.9ldbl libpoppler-qt4-2 libungif4g libqca2-plugin-ossl gs-esp-x libkscan1 libdmx1 libportaudio0 kdebase-workspace-data ttf-gentium libsqlite0 libvncserver0 libdb4.2 libdb4.4 xfslibs-dev libkonq5-templates libqimageblitz4 libkbluetooth0 koffice-libs libx11-xcb1 python-notify libdns32 libarchive1 libpam-foreground libxklavier12 libstdc++5 After rebooting the system has become very slow for some things, not for others. For example if I open a konsole the window appears inmediately, but the prompt can take a minute or more to appear. I've tried to create a new, clean user but same behaviour. I've tried to reinstall the removed packages but same behaviour. Top shows nothing eating CPU or memory. There's nothing strange in /var/log/messages has anyone seen this before or has any clue on where to start looking? Thanks, Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sun Sep 21 10:35:05 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:35:05 -0400 Subject: weird behaviour In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809210635.06014.pkaplan1@comcast.net> A thought...try renaming ~/.kde (and/or ~/.kde4, depending on which version you use. Then restart kde. You'll have to rebuild any customizations you've added. P On Sunday 21 September 2008 06:26:07 Salva . wrote: > Yesterday I was running a script to remove orphaned packages. > > The list of packages removed is: > > libcaptury0 python-gnome2 libzip1 kdepimlibs-data libpqxx-2.6.9ldbl > libpoppler-qt4-2 libungif4g libqca2-plugin-ossl gs-esp-x libkscan1 libdmx1 > libportaudio0 kdebase-workspace-data ttf-gentium libsqlite0 libvncserver0 > libdb4.2 libdb4.4 xfslibs-dev libkonq5-templates libqimageblitz4 > libkbluetooth0 koffice-libs libx11-xcb1 python-notify libdns32 libarchive1 > libpam-foreground libxklavier12 libstdc++5 > > After rebooting the system has become very slow for some things, not for > others. For example if I open a konsole the window appears inmediately, but > the prompt can take a minute or more to appear. > > I've tried to create a new, clean user but same behaviour. > I've tried to reinstall the removed packages but same behaviour. > Top shows nothing eating CPU or memory. > > There's nothing strange in /var/log/messages > > has anyone seen this before or has any clue on where to start looking? > > Thanks, > Paul. From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 11:45:03 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:45:03 -0400 Subject: multiple screen resolutions. In-Reply-To: <1315384.mfXrO1cqjc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809201513.40734.john@wexfordpress.com> <1315384.mfXrO1cqjc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <9721D3F1-328B-41A7-8363-2BCCAA8DA9A4@gmail.com> I've found the easiest and most foolproof way to to fix a broken xorg.conf is to run the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > John Culleton wrote: > >> In my Slack 12.0 system xorg.conf has lines like this: >> Subsection "Display" >> Depth 24 >> Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" >> EndSubsection >> >> This allows cycling through various screen resolutions. Can I just >> insert these lines in my Kubuntu xorg.conf? > > As Art said, the modelines either have to be defaulted or specified > elsewhere. But X is X - you should just be able to use the > xorg.conf from > your Slackware system. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 12:32:57 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:32:57 +0300 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <880dece00809210532q56d538e6m49ce7b683c9e2b71@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/21 Matthew Flaschen : > w32codecs are illegal. Only in the US and it's sphere of influence. Users in Lebanon, for instance, are not encumbered by US software patents. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 12:36:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:36:33 +0300 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <1221980225.15351.39.camel@iam> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> <48D5DCFB.7050809@gatech.edu> <200809211619.14216.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1221980225.15351.39.camel@iam> Message-ID: <880dece00809210536j59d8516egdb752b0171864acd@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/21 Ric Moore : > Making a point to > tell the artists about that is about all else that you can do. The > pendulum aways swings. I think I'll fire off an email to Bono and > Sting. :) Ric > Please do write that email. I have. While you are at it, pick a piece of hardware that does not work with Linux (wifi cards, for instance) and write to the manufacturer. I do that once a week. The more people that voice thier wants, the more likely that the companies will give us what we want. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 12:46:48 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:46:48 +0300 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <880dece00809210532q56d538e6m49ce7b683c9e2b71@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <880dece00809210532q56d538e6m49ce7b683c9e2b71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D64238.7060405@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/21 Matthew Flaschen : >> w32codecs are illegal. > > Only in the US and it's sphere of influence. Users in Lebanon, for > instance, are not encumbered by US software patents. > i know that we in lebanon don't have to worry about these useless greedy patents. i was actually more worried that the release of such codecs on sale will mean their removal from medibuntu. if canonical is truly only interested in the *buntu experience of it's users, and want to provide a solution for those afraid of legalities, then it's a nice idea. but if they ever start thinking in terms of $$, they might close medibuntu, and that would, i guess, bring them a step closer to our friends in redmond. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also check your ~/.xsession-errors file for any clues and run the programs from a console to see the output from them. / Jonas From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 13:25:21 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:25:21 +0300 Subject: weird behaviour In-Reply-To: References: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> <200809210635.06014.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48D64B41.3050908@gmail.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/21 Paul Kaplan : >> A thought...try renaming ~/.kde (and/or ~/.kde4, depending on which version >> you use. Then restart kde. You'll have to rebuild any customizations you've >> added. >> P > > He created a new user and that should give the same result as renaming > the .kde dir. I would try with some monitor program to see if there > are some process using CPU or other resources. Also check your > ~/.xsession-errors file for any clues and run the programs from a > console to see the output from them. > > / Jonas > but the program is a cosole! he is reporting that konsole seems sluggish. not konsole itself, but bash running in it. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Larry From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 21 13:52:38 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:52:38 -0500 Subject: kaffeine won't play DVDs (8.04) In-Reply-To: <200809210946.56256.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200809201452.27263.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48D50016.3050700@swbell.net> <200809210913.43548.valtermura@gmail.com> <200809210946.56256.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48D651A6.9020409@swbell.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Valter Mura wrote: > >> Il sabato 20 settembre 2008 15:52:22 Billie Walsh ha scritto: >> >>> In Kaffeine go to Settings>Xine Engine Performance>Media. Down where >>> it says "dvd device" change that to reflect your DVD drive. Mine >>> reads "/dev/scd0". >>> >> In my case, which number of region should I put? I live in Italy, >> Europe. >> > > I'm not sure why you want to change the region. Anyway, you can read about > it here: > > > > And please note: On most DVD players you can change the region code only a > very few times. > > > Nils > > One DVD player we have/had in the manual it said it would play any region but once three or four of a region was played it "locked" it into only that region DVD's. That just really sucks big time. In todays world economy most movies are available everywhere regardless of region, but sometimes if you want a low volume DVD you might have to get it from a region outside your own. I spent some time looking for a certain movie special edition. I finally found one available in Australia. That's not my "region". I also see where Australia has determined that regionalized DVD players are against free trade and require them to be region free. New Zealand was also considering the same ruling.I guess the best bet would be to buy DVD players from Australia. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sun Sep 21 13:58:16 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:58:16 +0200 Subject: turning japanese with 8.04 - input methods In-Reply-To: <6c6b0bfc0809202119k44ef8f21i253a76dde8a7643b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809201842.59078.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <6c6b0bfc0809202119k44ef8f21i253a76dde8a7643b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809211558.16208.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Sonntag, 21. September 2008 06:19:36 schrieb Barry Premeaux: > For Thai support, I install the locales in KDE for Thai language in > addition to my primary english language locales. Once you have > installed the locales for Japanese, you will also need to install the > assorted fonts for Japanese. You should then be able to go into KDE > Control Center and add the Japanese language for the keyboard. I > believe this will give her a button down on the kicker panel that will > allow her to select between languages for the keyboard. > > When I played with a Thai version of Knoppix and a Thai Linux based on > Fedora, they both had the button. You may have to do some searching > on google for the keyboard layout. There are a couple versions for > Thai and I had to find the right one. Well, I rather need something where you can draw the signs so they are kind of auto-ocr'ed. > > Barry > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Migrated a friend to Linux, i.e. Kubuntu yesterday. > > So far, so good. > > She studies japanese, so I need tools to input japanese signs. > > > > What should one install here? > > > > Dex > > > > > > -- > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.12 > > GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- > > w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ > > b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 14:06:36 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:06:36 +0300 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes In-Reply-To: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> Larry Hartman wrote: > My dv8000 with AMD Turion, 2GB memory, experienced multiple hard lockups > yesterday, can't seem to figure out the cause. Log files that I know to look > at are clean. > > I was running Firefox 3.0 and Krusader at the time...have a LAMP, wikimedia > server running as well. I have been running these constantly for about 9 > months, so do not believe they are the culprit. > > My gut feeling tells me to look at CPU temperature, but do not know the > tools/configuration for this. Any help? > > > Larry > you can try installing ksensors, which is a GUI frontend for lm-sensors. it can provide with many info about the computer, including temperatures. fan speeds, CPU loads, memory info, swap info and many other things. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 14:25:58 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:25:58 +0200 Subject: weird behaviour In-Reply-To: <48D64B41.3050908@gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> <200809210635.06014.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <48D64B41.3050908@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/21 Willy K. Hamra : > Jonas Norlander wrote: >> 2008/9/21 Paul Kaplan : >>> A thought...try renaming ~/.kde (and/or ~/.kde4, depending on which version >>> you use. Then restart kde. You'll have to rebuild any customizations you've >>> added. >>> P >> >> He created a new user and that should give the same result as renaming >> the .kde dir. I would try with some monitor program to see if there >> are some process using CPU or other resources. Also check your >> ~/.xsession-errors file for any clues and run the programs from a >> console to see the output from them. >> >> / Jonas >> > but the program is a cosole! he is reporting that konsole seems > sluggish. not konsole itself, but bash running in it. > Konsole/bash was a example so i assume there are other program. To verify if it's bash i would try to log in at a linux console and run the same commands and if it behaves the same it could be bash. I would also check the bash startup scripts, ~/.bash* and .profile. And ~/.xsession-errors is a good place to look for output from X window programs. / Jonas From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Sep 21 14:30:32 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:30:32 -0400 Subject: kaffeine won't play DVDs (8.04) In-Reply-To: <48D651A6.9020409@swbell.net> References: <200809201452.27263.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809210946.56256.kassube@gmx.net> <48D651A6.9020409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809211030.32580.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 21 September 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >Nils Kassube wrote: >> Valter Mura wrote: >>> Il sabato 20 settembre 2008 15:52:22 Billie Walsh ha scritto: >>>> In Kaffeine go to Settings>Xine Engine Performance>Media. Down where >>>> it says "dvd device" change that to reflect your DVD drive. Mine >>>> reads "/dev/scd0". >>> >>> In my case, which number of region should I put? I live in Italy, >>> Europe. >> >> I'm not sure why you want to change the region. Anyway, you can read about >> it here: >> >> >> >> And please note: On most DVD players you can change the region code only a >> very few times. >> >> >> Nils > >One DVD player we have/had in the manual it said it would play any >region but once three or four of a region was played it "locked" it into >only that region DVD's. That just really sucks big time. In todays world >economy most movies are available everywhere regardless of region, but >sometimes if you want a low volume DVD you might have to get it from a >region outside your own. I spent some time looking for a certain movie >special edition. I finally found one available in Australia. That's not >my "region". > >I also see where Australia has determined that regionalized DVD players >are against free trade and require them to be region free. New Zealand >was also considering the same ruling.I guess the best bet would be to >buy DVD players from Australia. > Or a determined search can often find an Aussie firmware for your player. In my case I put the firmware on a cd as an image, and just put the cd in the drawer. It will rewrite your region code crippled firmware without it, and get rid of the &*^$#&^ macrovision at the same time. It plays anything I put in the drawer now. Flawlessly. >-- >Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) When you are working hard, get up and retch every so often. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 14:49:43 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:43 +0100 Subject: turning japanese with 8.04 - input methods In-Reply-To: <200809211558.16208.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809201842.59078.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <6c6b0bfc0809202119k44ef8f21i253a76dde8a7643b@mail.gmail.com> <200809211558.16208.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809211549.43381.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Sunday 21 Sep 2008 14:58:16 に Dexter Filmore さんは書きました: > Am Sonntag, 21. September 2008 06:19:36 schrieb Barry Premeaux: > > For Thai support, I install the locales in KDE for Thai language in > > addition to my primary english language locales. Once you have > > installed the locales for Japanese, you will also need to install the > > assorted fonts for Japanese. You should then be able to go into KDE > > Control Center and add the Japanese language for the keyboard. I > > believe this will give her a button down on the kicker panel that will > > allow her to select between languages for the keyboard. > > > > When I played with a Thai version of Knoppix and a Thai Linux based on > > Fedora, they both had the button. You may have to do some searching > > on google for the keyboard layout. There are a couple versions for > > Thai and I had to find the right one. > > Well, I rather need something where you can draw the signs so they are kind > of auto-ocr'ed. I had quite a struggle with this for my granddaughter. It is documented on the OpenOffice.org mailing list: That is actually the end of a very long saga. I think that I had installed scim and skim before that thread started. The final result is that my granddaughter can now type on a UK keyboard, in a British English installation of Kubuntu, and get Kana or Kanji, but only in K* applications. However this is not too restricting, as she can cut and paste from, say, KWord into OpenOffice.org Write and the correct Japanese characters remain. HTH Lisi From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Sep 21 15:34:50 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:34:50 +0200 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes In-Reply-To: <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> Message-ID: Willy K. Hamra schrieb: > Larry Hartman wrote: >> My dv8000 with AMD Turion, 2GB memory, experienced multiple hard lockups >> yesterday, can't seem to figure out the cause. Log files that I know to look >> at are clean. >> >> I was running Firefox 3.0 and Krusader at the time...have a LAMP, wikimedia >> server running as well. I have been running these constantly for about 9 >> months, so do not believe they are the culprit. >> >> My gut feeling tells me to look at CPU temperature, but do not know the >> tools/configuration for this. Any help? >> >> >> Larry >> > > you can try installing ksensors, which is a GUI frontend for lm-sensors. > it can provide with many info about the computer, including > temperatures. fan speeds, CPU loads, memory info, swap info and many > other things. > > and as you are at it, install smartmon tools, to. If you are lucky, you will be able to also monitor your harddisk temps with ksensors, as well. Should you have a "SMART" (or similar) setting in your bios, do not forget to activate it, beforehand. kind regards Eberhard From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Sep 21 16:04:15 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:04:15 -0700 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes In-Reply-To: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200809210904.16123.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 21 September 2008 6:39:06 am Larry Hartman wrote: > My dv8000 with AMD Turion, 2GB memory, experienced multiple hard lockups > yesterday, can't seem to figure out the cause. Log files that I know to > look at are clean. > > I was running Firefox 3.0 and Krusader at the time...have a LAMP, wikimedia > server running as well. I have been running these constantly for about 9 > months, so do not believe they are the culprit. > > My gut feeling tells me to look at CPU temperature, but do not know the > tools/configuration for this. Any help? Back in July I think it was there was a discussion on how to put a temp applet in your system tray. It uses KSysGuard and works well. Only drawback is that it reads out in Celsius. Look for the subject "temp applet" in the archives. From rick_knight at rlknight.com Sun Sep 21 16:40:23 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:40:23 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <1221968165.7696.113.camel@iam> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> <1221942096.7696.1.camel@iam> <48D5B49E.403@rlknight.com> <1221968165.7696.113.camel@iam> Message-ID: <48D678F7.20202@rlknight.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 19:42 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: > >> Ric Moore wrote: >> > > >>> Did you get the message "device /dev/snd missing"? Ric >>> >>> >>> >> No, I did not get that message. Also, as I said in a previous post I >> have been able to get the ALSA drivers to work. But I still cannot get >> the USB input to work, with Audacity or in general. In fact, my USB >> device does not show up in Alsamixer. It shows up in Kmix, but only as >> an input device and just as a microphone. No sound from the USB at all. >> Is there additional configuration required for a USB device with ALSA? >> > > If you have the terminal command "lsusb" handy, that will tell you what > the system sees attached to usb. It's been ages since I had to use it to > set up a webcam, but getting the device's numbers may be of use to you, > if it shows up. If your device doesn't show up, then it's another can of > worms. > > Have you goggled on your USB device to see if others have a similar > problem?? If so, you may just have to forgo using it as a USB device and > do the patch cord thing that you said did work. I really wish I or > another could be of more help. Maybe getting a 3 foot or so stereo cable > extension would prevent you from having to dink with the backside of > your system. :) Ric > > Got the USB audio working. All it took was a restart with the USB turntable plugged in, so probably just restarting the soundserver would do the same. Thanks, Rick From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:46:11 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:46:11 +0300 Subject: Accessing external IDE drive via USB2 with IDE - USB adaptor cable. Message-ID: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> I need to access the data on an IDE hard drive. I have connected the drive to power and to the computer via an IDE - USB adaptor cable, however I do not see how I can mount this disk. My internal hard disk is sda, with the fileystem on sda2 and /home on sda4. There are no other hard disks connected to the machine. Here is what I get: hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ lsusb -snip-Bus 002 Device 021: ID 152d:2338 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JM20337 Hi-Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ tail /var/log/messages Sep 21 20:23:00 hardy2-laptop kernel: [17814.139565] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS Sep 21 20:23:00 hardy2-laptop kernel: [17814.144484] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk Sep 21 20:23:00 hardy2-laptop kernel: [17814.144525] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Sep 21 20:31:11 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18304.788361] usb 2-3: USB disconnect, address 20 Sep 21 20:31:50 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18343.596192] usb 2-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21 Sep 21 20:31:50 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18343.729932] usb 2-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Sep 21 20:31:50 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18343.730526] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.725245] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.727118] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.727156] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ mount /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw) /dev/sda4 on /home type ext3 (rw,relatime) securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From rick_knight at rlknight.com Sun Sep 21 18:02:48 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:02:48 -0700 Subject: Help with Audacity on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48D678F7.20202@rlknight.com> References: <48D31563.4090700@rlknight.com> <48D429BB.2000302@rlknight.com> <1221942096.7696.1.camel@iam> <48D5B49E.403@rlknight.com> <1221968165.7696.113.camel@iam> <48D678F7.20202@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <48D68C48.8020600@rlknight.com> Rick Knight wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > >> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 19:42 -0700, Rick Knight wrote: >> >> >>> Ric Moore wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >>>> Did you get the message "device /dev/snd missing"? Ric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> No, I did not get that message. Also, as I said in a previous post I >>> have been able to get the ALSA drivers to work. But I still cannot get >>> the USB input to work, with Audacity or in general. In fact, my USB >>> device does not show up in Alsamixer. It shows up in Kmix, but only as >>> an input device and just as a microphone. No sound from the USB at all. >>> Is there additional configuration required for a USB device with ALSA? >>> >>> >> If you have the terminal command "lsusb" handy, that will tell you what >> the system sees attached to usb. It's been ages since I had to use it to >> set up a webcam, but getting the device's numbers may be of use to you, >> if it shows up. If your device doesn't show up, then it's another can of >> worms. >> >> Have you goggled on your USB device to see if others have a similar >> problem?? If so, you may just have to forgo using it as a USB device and >> do the patch cord thing that you said did work. I really wish I or >> another could be of more help. Maybe getting a 3 foot or so stereo cable >> extension would prevent you from having to dink with the backside of >> your system. :) Ric >> >> >> > Got the USB audio working. All it took was a restart with the USB > turntable plugged in, so probably just restarting the soundserver would > do the same. > > Thanks, > Rick > > I still have one problem with the USB turntable. I can record through the USB device, but I can't just play a record through my sound card. I can only hear the audio when I play back the recorded audio. Is there any way to get the USB device to play through my sound card? Thanks, Rick From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 18:03:49 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:03:49 +0200 Subject: Accessing external IDE drive via USB2 with IDE - USB adaptor cable. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/21 Dotan Cohen : > I need to access the data on an IDE hard drive. I have connected the > drive to power and to the computer via an IDE - USB adaptor cable, > however I do not see how I can mount this disk. My internal hard disk > is sda, with the fileystem on sda2 and /home on sda4. There are no > other hard disks connected to the machine. Here is what I get: > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ tail /var/log/messages > Sep 21 20:23:00 hardy2-laptop kernel: [17814.139565] scsi 2:0:0:0: > Direct-Access PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS > Sep 21 20:23:00 hardy2-laptop kernel: [17814.144484] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] > Attached SCSI disk > Sep 21 20:23:00 hardy2-laptop kernel: [17814.144525] sd 2:0:0:0: > Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 > Sep 21 20:31:11 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18304.788361] usb 2-3: USB > disconnect, address 20 > Sep 21 20:31:50 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18343.596192] usb 2-3: new high > speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21 > Sep 21 20:31:50 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18343.729932] usb 2-3: > configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > Sep 21 20:31:50 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18343.730526] scsi3 : SCSI > emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.725245] scsi 3:0:0:0: > Direct-Access PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS > Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.727118] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] > Attached SCSI disk > Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.727156] sd 3:0:0:0: > Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 It looks like it cant find any partitions on the disk. dmesg gives me this output for my USB Corsair flash disk: [18715.252402] usb 1-4.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11 [18715.287109] usb 1-4.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [18715.289627] scsi14 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [18715.289841] usb-storage: device found at 11 [18715.289842] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [18717.075274] usb-storage: device scan complete [18717.075845] scsi 14:0:0:0: Direct-Access Corsair UFD 1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [18717.079050] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] 31457280 512-byte hardware sectors (16106 MB) [18717.080076] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Write Protect is off [18717.080078] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 [18717.080080] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Assuming drive cache: write through [18717.083690] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] 31457280 512-byte hardware sectors (16106 MB) [18717.084718] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Write Protect is off [18717.084720] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 [18717.084721] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Assuming drive cache: write through [18717.084724] sdk: sdk1 sdk3 [18717.109092] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] Attached SCSI removable disk [18717.109124] sd 14:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg11 type 0 what do "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" give you? / Jonas From kassube at gmx.net Sun Sep 21 18:19:24 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:19:24 +0200 Subject: Accessing external IDE drive via USB2 with IDE - USB adaptor cable. In-Reply-To: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809212019.24696.kassube@gmx.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > I need to access the data on an IDE hard drive. I have connected the > drive to power and to the computer via an IDE - USB adaptor cable, > however I do not see how I can mount this disk. My internal hard disk > is sda, with the fileystem on sda2 and /home on sda4. There are no > other hard disks connected to the machine. Here is what I get: > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ tail /var/log/messages > Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.727118] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Obviously the disk is at "/dev/sdb" but there doesn't seem to be a partition known to the kernel. What is the output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb in a terminal? Nils From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 19:51:54 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:51:54 -0400 Subject: what raid controller? Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 20:21:45 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:21:45 +0300 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> uriah heep wrote: > I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one > suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not > business. > > before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ender8282 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 21:16:31 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:16:31 -0700 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D6B9AF.6010607@yahoo.com> uriah heep wrote: > I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any > one suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not > business. > As was just mentioned in another thread Ubuntu supports software raid. There is no such thing as a cheap TRUE hardware raid controller, and there are rarely drivers for fake hardware raid. If you download the Ubuntu alternate installer it will let you configure two (or more drives) as a raid system. I don't have any benchmarks but I keep hearing that Linux software raid is plenty fast enough. -- -john There are only 10 kinds of people, Those who understand binary and those who don't. From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 23:49:20 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:49:20 -0400 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0809211649l562e5daew795653de62e07f1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:51 PM, uriah heep wrote: > I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one > suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not > business. > I agree with those who say that software RAID is the way to go. Much safer, more reliable, cheaper -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tycho -- http://tycho.ws From khj at cs.appstate.edu Mon Sep 22 02:04:28 2008 From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:04:28 -0400 Subject: Two Screen Saver "Slide Show" Images Simultaneously Displayed! Message-ID: <873ajtvsur.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> This one's got me baffled ... I upgraded to 8.04 (*not* a fresh install). Now, whenever I enable the "Banners & Pictures/Slide Show" option within the "Screen Saver Settings" and the "screen saver" starts up, I see *two* images displayed -- centered, one on top of the other -- from within the specified "Image Folder"! It is as if two copies of the "Slide Show" are running. I looked at all running processes (using 'ps') and could not see multiple "screen saver"-related programs running (though not really sure exactly *what* process name to look for). I also, of course, "searched", but found nothing. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker khj at cs.appstate.edu Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj Appalachian State Univ Boone, NC 28608 USA From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Sep 22 05:50:29 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:50:29 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <200809211619.14216.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> <48D5DCFB.7050809@gatech.edu> <200809211619.14216.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48D73225.8000309@gatech.edu> Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > Without specifying a country than the only assumption is you mean > international. You may assume that, but doing so is not reasonable. There is no legal statement that applies to all countries. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Sep 22 05:51:49 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:51:49 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <1221980225.15351.39.camel@iam> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D58879.50501@bmts.com> <48D5DCFB.7050809@gatech.edu> <200809211619.14216.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <1221980225.15351.39.camel@iam> Message-ID: <48D73275.5080100@gatech.edu> Ric Moore wrote: > Using OGG is really the best bet all around. Then we screw the bozo's. No one needs > libdvdcss2 as long as no one buys encrypted DVD's? Agreed. We have to exert our market power. That means insisting on DRM-free and open formats whenever possible. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Sep 22 05:53:39 2008 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:53:39 -0400 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <48D5D898.1080502@candt.waitrose.com> <48D5DDE6.9080509@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <48D732E3.30903@gatech.edu> Knapp wrote: >>> Which country are you referring to? >> Mine, of course. If you want legal information valid for all countries, >> you should expect to pay someone. >> >> Matt Flaschen >> > > And you think we know where you live? Given that it's publicly posted multiple places and pretty obvious from my domain, you can certainly find out if you're interested. If you're not interested, that's fine too. Matt Flaschen From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 06:15:20 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:15:20 +0200 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0809211649l562e5daew795653de62e07f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0809211649l562e5daew795653de62e07f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/22 John DeCarlo : > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:51 PM, uriah heep wrote: >> >> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one >> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >> business. > > I agree with those who say that software RAID is the way to go. Much safer, > more reliable, cheaper > I don't agree with you that a software RAID should be safer and more reliable than a real hardware RAID, it's one more layer that can mess things up if your are unlucky, but it's much cheaper and that could make it worth it depending how value your data is. / Jonas From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 08:17:13 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:17:13 +0200 Subject: canonical to sell proprietary codecs! In-Reply-To: <48D64238.7060405@gmail.com> References: <48D4EC2B.1060704@gmail.com> <48D57845.8060001@gatech.edu> <880dece00809210532q56d538e6m49ce7b683c9e2b71@mail.gmail.com> <48D64238.7060405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809220117w72ddfe68ja3c520818105ac20@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/21 Willy K. Hamra : > i know that we in lebanon don't have to worry about these useless greedy > patents. i was actually more worried that the release of such codecs on > sale will mean their removal from medibuntu. if canonical is truly only > interested in the *buntu experience of it's users, and want to provide a > solution for those afraid of legalities, then it's a nice idea. but if > they ever start thinking in terms of $$, they might close medibuntu, and > that would, i guess, bring them a step closer to our friends in redmond. > Medibuntu is not maintained by, nor even affiliated with, Canonical so far as I understand. Canonical cannot legally include said software, so the community developed Medibuntu. However, Medibuntu is not an option for OEMs (such as Dell) that will sell PCs with Ubuntu preinstalled. Therefore, Canonical is offering the codecs in an officially licensed package. Furthermore, this protects Canonnical from allegations that it may support software piracy. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 08:21:21 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:21:21 +0200 Subject: Accessing external IDE drive via USB2 with IDE - USB adaptor cable. In-Reply-To: <200809212019.24696.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> <200809212019.24696.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <880dece00809220121p254795f2re36087ecbdbb87fa@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/21 Nils Kassube : > Obviously the disk is at "/dev/sdb" but there doesn't seem to be a > partition known to the kernel. What is the output of > > sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > in a terminal? > I had to take care of some other business, and then I had to return the IDE-USB adaptor as it was needed. As soon as I have access to the adaptor again I will continue this thread. Thank you very much, at least I have something to start with. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From paulvarjak at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 09:29:01 2008 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Salva .) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:29:01 +0200 Subject: weird behaviour In-Reply-To: References: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> <200809210635.06014.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <48D64B41.3050908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e33e3860809220229l27efec45nbe84249b7e11bf02@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the advices... I'll start looking into logs in a while. Don't know why but I see myself reinstalling in a while... :( Paul On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/21 Willy K. Hamra : > > Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> 2008/9/21 Paul Kaplan : > >>> A thought...try renaming ~/.kde (and/or ~/.kde4, depending on which > version > >>> you use. Then restart kde. You'll have to rebuild any customizations > you've > >>> added. > >>> P > >> > >> He created a new user and that should give the same result as renaming > >> the .kde dir. I would try with some monitor program to see if there > >> are some process using CPU or other resources. Also check your > >> ~/.xsession-errors file for any clues and run the programs from a > >> console to see the output from them. > >> > >> / Jonas > >> > > but the program is a cosole! he is reporting that konsole seems > > sluggish. not konsole itself, but bash running in it. > > > > Konsole/bash was a example so i assume there are other program. To > verify if it's bash i would try to log in at a linux console and run > the same commands and if it behaves the same it could be bash. I would > also check the bash startup scripts, ~/.bash* and .profile. And > ~/.xsession-errors is a good place to look for output from X window > programs. > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Sep 22 10:08:54 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:08:54 +0200 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> Message-ID: Willy K. Hamra schrieb: > uriah heep wrote: >> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one >> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >> business. >> >> > > before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, > you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? > > This imho is dangerous advice. Imagine you use the "internal fake raid" controller. Let's say, three years from now, your motherboard will fail. Usually, not a big deal but you will surely not be able to buy a motherboard with the same fake raid controller, then. Now what happens to your fake raided data? Well, it will be on your backup tape, if you are lucky... As drever things are, this advice is mainly targeted at Windows users but even with Linux I would never ever touch such a mess for raid purposes..... Kind regards Eberhard From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 11:04:43 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:04:43 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1.1 Task manager In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400809211906n4b663719ga855eba9896675da@mail.gmail.com> References: <49b3a7400809200935o76fb645bv666c175ec0c2a9b7@mail.gmail.com> <48D52D73.8070606@gmail.com> <49b3a7400809211906n4b663719ga855eba9896675da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D77BCB.1040301@gmail.com> Tycho Andersen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i noticed this too, but i give task manager focus (clicking mouse on it, >> restoring from minimize, etc..) i wait around 2 seconds, and everything >> becomes normal again. > > Sounds like you're talking about the desktop widget. I'm speaking of > the widget on the panel (which naturally, can't be minimized ;-). I've > tried playing around with it, and the only way I can clear it right > now is by logging out and logging back in (or, when kwin crashes). > > Tycho > -- > http://tycho.ws > i'm so used to task manager from windows, i call all process viewers task managers, my mistake. i thought you were talking about "system activity" ctrl+esc . the task manager here works fine. unless i'm running some gtk app in the foreground, the whole bar starts appearing and disappearing till i minimize the or close the application, it specifically hates the compose window of thunderbird! you mentioned something about krunner, are you talking about applications that send feedback to the task manager that they're going to run, but no window actually appear, are these what annoys you? coz these usually disappear after a while. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is for a home computer not >>> business. >>> >>> >> before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, >> you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? >> >> > This imho is dangerous advice. > > Imagine you use the "internal fake raid" controller. Let's say, three > years from now, your motherboard will fail. Usually, not a big deal > but you will surely not be able to buy a motherboard with the same > fake raid controller, then. Now what happens to your fake raided data? > > Well, it will be on your backup tape, if you are lucky... > > As drever things are, this advice is mainly targeted at Windows users > but even with Linux I would never ever touch such a mess for raid > purposes..... > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > i only tried RAID once on a dg965wh mobo using windows a couple of years ago, and decided i'm no expert in it and returned back to IDE. so basically such a RAID is also a fake RAID? i thought this is a hardware RAID because it's set up before windows boot up, and before i even see the intel splash screen. so it's not hardware? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is an option under Audio I/O labled Software Playthrough, but it says uncheck when recording a stereo mix which is what I want it for. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From paulvarjak at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 13:48:38 2008 From: paulvarjak at gmail.com (Salva .) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:48:38 +0200 Subject: weird behaviour In-Reply-To: <5e33e3860809220229l27efec45nbe84249b7e11bf02@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e33e3860809210326n3f0a6e1as94827f5732207d87@mail.gmail.com> <200809210635.06014.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <48D64B41.3050908@gmail.com> <5e33e3860809220229l27efec45nbe84249b7e11bf02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e33e3860809220648y7f7219c5pacd566434dce1425@mail.gmail.com> The solution, finally has been something like: sudo apt-get remove --purge kde* sudo apt-get install kde reboot Of course, I don't know what was wrong, but now is not wrong anymore. Thanks all, Salvador On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Salva . wrote: > Thanks for all the advices... I'll start looking into logs in a while. > > Don't know why but I see myself reinstalling in a while... :( > > Paul > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> 2008/9/21 Willy K. Hamra : >> > Jonas Norlander wrote: >> >> 2008/9/21 Paul Kaplan : >> >>> A thought...try renaming ~/.kde (and/or ~/.kde4, depending on which >> version >> >>> you use. Then restart kde. You'll have to rebuild any customizations >> you've >> >>> added. >> >>> P >> >> >> >> He created a new user and that should give the same result as renaming >> >> the .kde dir. I would try with some monitor program to see if there >> >> are some process using CPU or other resources. Also check your >> >> ~/.xsession-errors file for any clues and run the programs from a >> >> console to see the output from them. >> >> >> >> / Jonas >> >> >> > but the program is a cosole! he is reporting that konsole seems >> > sluggish. not konsole itself, but bash running in it. >> > >> >> Konsole/bash was a example so i assume there are other program. To >> verify if it's bash i would try to log in at a linux console and run >> the same commands and if it behaves the same it could be bash. I would >> also check the bash startup scripts, ~/.bash* and .profile. And >> ~/.xsession-errors is a good place to look for output from X window >> programs. >> >> / Jonas >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Sep 22 14:13:25 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:13:25 -0700 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes In-Reply-To: <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809220713.25584.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Sunday 21 September 2008 07:06:36 am Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > > My dv8000 with AMD Turion, 2GB memory, experienced multiple hard lockups > > yesterday, can't seem to figure out the cause. Log files that I know to > > look at are clean. > > > > I was running Firefox 3.0 and Krusader at the time...have a LAMP, > > wikimedia server running as well. I have been running these constantly > > for about 9 months, so do not believe they are the culprit. > > > > My gut feeling tells me to look at CPU temperature, but do not know the > > tools/configuration for this. Any help? > > > > > > Larry > > you can try installing ksensors, which is a GUI frontend for lm-sensors. > it can provide with many info about the computer, including > temperatures. fan speeds, CPU loads, memory info, swap info and many > other things. nifty little tool, thanx! Incidentally I purchased a new CR2032 clock battery and installed yesterday...I do not know the mechanics of all that a new battery would affect, but my whole system seems to have settled down a bit since then. Coincidental? And...I bought an external hard drive and backed up all of my work. Larry From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Sep 22 15:07:14 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:14 +0200 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <48D77D07.2010508@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> <48D77D07.2010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: Willy K. Hamra schrieb: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >>> uriah heep wrote: >>>> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one >>>> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >>>> business. >>>> >>>> >>> before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, >>> you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? >>> >>> >> This imho is dangerous advice. >> >> Imagine you use the "internal fake raid" controller. Let's say, three >> years from now, your motherboard will fail. Usually, not a big deal >> but you will surely not be able to buy a motherboard with the same >> fake raid controller, then. Now what happens to your fake raided data? >> >> Well, it will be on your backup tape, if you are lucky... >> >> As drever things are, this advice is mainly targeted at Windows users >> but even with Linux I would never ever touch such a mess for raid >> purposes..... >> >> Kind regards >> Eberhard >> >> > > i only tried RAID once on a dg965wh mobo using windows a couple of years > ago, and decided i'm no expert in it and returned back to IDE. > so basically such a RAID is also a fake RAID? i thought this is a > hardware RAID because it's set up before windows boot up, and before i > even see the intel splash screen. so it's not hardware? > > well, any non software raid is hardware, just by definition. ;-)) Now fake raid are at least part of made of software. As I see it, fake raid is any non removable raid adapter that does not have his own bios but relies on a (mostly) propriatary driver to work, instead. ex. in order to install windows on "fake raid" you need to prepare a special "raid driver disk" in order to make that work. In contrast, on a real raid, you get a raid bios where you arrange your disks to your likings and the OS will see just the disks you configured in the raid controller as being singular, physical disks, afterwards. Again from my view, the main disadvantage is not the driver (assuming that this will be available for any existing and future operating system that needs to run there). ok, this is a major disadvantage in itself, to. ;-) It is more the incompatible data format that causes trouble when you are in a situation where your mobo is dead, but not available any more. Now imagine how quickly hardware changes and my conclusion is: Either "real hardware raid" or software raid and you are safe. The very few times that I installed used fake raid were on windows with Raid 0, meant to get as most power from the disk as possible for hardcore gaming purposes. But this is another world, not mine.... kind regards Eberhard From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 15:55:08 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:55:08 +0300 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> <48D77D07.2010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40809220855g54d26538i96c34da173a82ae0@mail.gmail.com> On 22/09/2008, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >>>> uriah heep wrote: >>>>> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any >>>>> one >>>>> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >>>>> business. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, >>>> you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? >>>> >>>> >>> This imho is dangerous advice. >>> >>> Imagine you use the "internal fake raid" controller. Let's say, three >>> years from now, your motherboard will fail. Usually, not a big deal >>> but you will surely not be able to buy a motherboard with the same >>> fake raid controller, then. Now what happens to your fake raided data? >>> >>> Well, it will be on your backup tape, if you are lucky... >>> >>> As drever things are, this advice is mainly targeted at Windows users >>> but even with Linux I would never ever touch such a mess for raid >>> purposes..... >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Eberhard >>> >>> >> >> i only tried RAID once on a dg965wh mobo using windows a couple of years >> ago, and decided i'm no expert in it and returned back to IDE. >> so basically such a RAID is also a fake RAID? i thought this is a >> hardware RAID because it's set up before windows boot up, and before i >> even see the intel splash screen. so it's not hardware? >> >> > well, any non software raid is hardware, just by definition. ;-)) > > Now fake raid are at least part of made of software. As I see it, fake > raid is any non removable raid adapter that does not have his own bios > but relies on a (mostly) propriatary driver to work, instead. > ex. in order to install windows on "fake raid" you need to prepare a > special "raid driver disk" in order to make that work. > In contrast, on a real raid, you get a raid bios where you arrange > your disks to your likings and the OS will see just the disks you > configured in the raid controller as being singular, physical disks, > afterwards. > > Again from my view, the main disadvantage is not the driver (assuming > that this will be available for any existing and future operating > system that needs to run there). ok, this is a major disadvantage in > itself, to. ;-) > > It is more the incompatible data format that causes trouble when you > are in a situation where your mobo is dead, but not available any > more. Now imagine how quickly hardware changes and my conclusion is: > Either "real hardware raid" or software raid and you are safe. > > The very few times that I installed used fake raid were on windows > with Raid 0, meant to get as most power from the disk as possible for > hardcore gaming purposes. But this is another world, not mine.... > thanks for the info, i didn't know about fake raids, weirdly is the fact that this particular raid i tried had it's own bios which is configured before the mobo's bios, and the mobo's bios saw it as 1 disk. but still windows required raid drivers, and it caused hell loads of trouble and finally removed it. thnx for your info though. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From ender8282 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 16:27:56 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:27:56 -0700 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> <48D77D07.2010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7C78C.8080600@yahoo.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >>>> uriah heep wrote: >>>>> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one >>>>> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >>>>> business. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, >>>> you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? >>>> >>>> >>> This imho is dangerous advice. >>> >>> Imagine you use the "internal fake raid" controller. Let's say, three >>> years from now, your motherboard will fail. Usually, not a big deal >>> but you will surely not be able to buy a motherboard with the same >>> fake raid controller, then. Now what happens to your fake raided data? >>> >>> Well, it will be on your backup tape, if you are lucky... >>> >>> As drever things are, this advice is mainly targeted at Windows users >>> but even with Linux I would never ever touch such a mess for raid >>> purposes..... >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Eberhard >>> >>> >> i only tried RAID once on a dg965wh mobo using windows a couple of years >> ago, and decided i'm no expert in it and returned back to IDE. >> so basically such a RAID is also a fake RAID? i thought this is a >> hardware RAID because it's set up before windows boot up, and before i >> even see the intel splash screen. so it's not hardware? >> >> > well, any non software raid is hardware, just by definition. ;-)) > > Now fake raid are at least part of made of software. As I see it, fake > raid is any non removable raid adapter that does not have his own bios > but relies on a (mostly) propriatary driver to work, instead. > ex. in order to install windows on "fake raid" you need to prepare a > special "raid driver disk" in order to make that work. > In contrast, on a real raid, you get a raid bios where you arrange > your disks to your likings and the OS will see just the disks you > configured in the raid controller as being singular, physical disks, > afterwards. > > Again from my view, the main disadvantage is not the driver (assuming > that this will be available for any existing and future operating > system that needs to run there). ok, this is a major disadvantage in > itself, to. ;-) > > It is more the incompatible data format that causes trouble when you > are in a situation where your mobo is dead, but not available any > more. Now imagine how quickly hardware changes and my conclusion is: > Either "real hardware raid" or software raid and you are safe. > > The very few times that I installed used fake raid were on windows > with Raid 0, meant to get as most power from the disk as possible for > hardcore gaming purposes. But this is another world, not mine.... > > kind regards > Eberhard > > Couldn't the same argument be made about the failure of the hardware raid controller? Will it still be available 3 years from now? Will you be able to get your data off of the array? Are you sure that whatever format it uses will be supported by what every device you try to replace it with? -- -john There are only 10 kinds of people, Those who understand binary and those who don't. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Sep 22 17:12:36 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:12:36 +0100 Subject: what raid controller? In-Reply-To: <48D7C78C.8080600@yahoo.com> References: <69c7ddfb0809211251v37b5d606s3515ddb123994e4@mail.gmail.com> <48D6ACD9.4000306@gmail.com> <48D77D07.2010508@gmail.com> <48D7C78C.8080600@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D7D204.7000707@yahoo.it> John Hubbard wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >>> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>>> Willy K. Hamra schrieb: >>>>> uriah heep wrote: >>>>>> I would like to set up mirroring on 2 sata WD hard drives. Could any one >>>>>> suggest a good low cost controller. This is for a home computer not >>>>>> business. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before getting a controller, many current mother boards support RAID, >>>>> you sure yours doesn't? what's its model? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> This imho is dangerous advice. >>>> >>>> Imagine you use the "internal fake raid" controller. Let's say, three >>>> years from now, your motherboard will fail. Usually, not a big deal >>>> but you will surely not be able to buy a motherboard with the same >>>> fake raid controller, then. Now what happens to your fake raided data? >>>> >>>> Well, it will be on your backup tape, if you are lucky... >>>> [snip] >> > Couldn't the same argument be made about the failure of the hardware > raid controller? Will it still be available 3 years from now? Will you > be able to get your data off of the array? Are you sure that whatever > format it uses will be supported by what every device you try to replace > it with? > I guess the same may be said of the hard drives this RAID should work with... even if the interfaces do not change in the next three years, it's unlikely that the available sizes will be the same, and as far as I understand RAID that means either you don't find the spares or your spares are only partially used. Also, given the need for RAID, I'd also guess that the OP has a policy for frequent backups and the like... so when one of the components fails and is not replaceable, hopefully all the data has been backed up somewhere else, on a support which is accessible... I. From paul at lemmons.name Mon Sep 22 17:19:16 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:19:16 -0700 Subject: OT: LG Dare Message-ID: <48D7D394.6040103@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there >> any way to get the USB device to play through my sound card? >> >> > > I'd like to be able to do that too, but I haven't found a way yet either. > There is an option under Audio I/O labled Software Playthrough, but it says > uncheck when recording a stereo mix which is what I want it for. > > > Mark, I geuss this is a common problem? Have you looked on the alsa-users list? I posted there last night. Hopefully someone will respond with a solution. Thanks, Rick From john at wexfordpress.com Mon Sep 22 19:42:08 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:42:08 -0400 Subject: svn and cmake. Message-ID: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> I discovered that Kubuntu won't download the package svn, which is required for downloading the latest versions of many programs such as Scribus. I am running the latest bleeding edge Kubuntu I can find, 8.10 Alpha. So I rebooted Slackware and mounted my Kubuntu 8.10 partition as a subordinate partition. Then I was able to run Slackware's svn in a directory on the Kubuntu partition and download the latest Scribus source. The next step will be to run cmake. Is this downloadable by Kubuntu or must I create a more generic Debian partition instead? -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From paul at lemmons.name Mon Sep 22 19:48:40 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:48:40 -0700 Subject: svn and cmake. In-Reply-To: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <48D7F698.9040902@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: svn and cmake. From: John Culleton To: "kubuntu-users." Date: 09/22/2008 12:42 PM > I discovered that Kubuntu won't download the package svn, which is > required for downloading the latest versions of many programs such as > Scribus. I am running the latest bleeding edge Kubuntu I can find, > 8.10 Alpha. So I rebooted Slackware and mounted my Kubuntu 8.10 > partition as a subordinate partition. Then I was able to run > Slackware's svn in a directory on the Kubuntu partition and download > the latest Scribus source. > > The next step will be to run cmake. Is this downloadable by Kubuntu > or must I create a more generic Debian partition instead? > sudo apt-get install subversion I *think* this is what you are asking for... The same would apply for scribus as well, uless you are in desperate need of the development version of the software. sudo apt-get install scribus -- Sometimes I wonder. 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URL: From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Tue Sep 23 00:49:25 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:49:25 -0700 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes--hdparm and harddrive temps/cycles In-Reply-To: <200809220713.25584.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> <200809220713.25584.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200809221749.25883.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> > > you can try installing ksensors, which is a GUI frontend for lm-sensors. > > it can provide with many info about the computer, including > > temperatures. fan speeds, CPU loads, memory info, swap info and many > > other things. > > nifty little tool, thanx! > > Incidentally I purchased a new CR2032 clock battery and installed > yesterday...I do not know the mechanics of all that a new battery would > affect, but my whole system seems to have settled down a bit since then. > Coincidental? > > And...I bought an external hard drive and backed up all of my work. > > Larry Well I got to nosing around all sorts of things......I have an average load count of 12 cycles per hour on both of my harddrives (there are two in my laptop).....hdparm -B is set to 254. The laptop is 95% of the time running on AC. Seems 12 is a little high for AC? Wondering if I am getting temp problems relating to hard drive activity. Larry From phantom21 at mindspring.com Tue Sep 23 01:28:20 2008 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:28:20 -0400 Subject: Accessing external IDE drive via USB2 with IDE - USB adaptor cable. In-Reply-To: <200809212019.24696.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00809211046i34128885s230288c3358d1e09@mail.gmail.com> <200809212019.24696.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200809222128.20521.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Sunday 21 September 2008 02:19:24 pm Nils Kassube wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I need to access the data on an IDE hard drive. I have connected the > > drive to power and to the computer via an IDE - USB adaptor cable, > > however I do not see how I can mount this disk. My internal hard disk > > is sda, with the fileystem on sda2 and /home on sda4. There are no > > other hard disks connected to the machine. Here is what I get: > > > > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ tail /var/log/messages > > > > Sep 21 20:31:55 hardy2-laptop kernel: [18348.727118] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] > > Obviously the disk is at "/dev/sdb" but there doesn't seem to be a > partition known to the kernel. What is the output of > > sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > in a terminal? > Have you tried mounting the drive? first create a mount point (like /mnt/usb) then: mount /dev/sdb /mnt/usb and see what that gets you. Mark From tycho at tycho.ws Tue Sep 23 02:14:38 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:14:38 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.1.1 Task manager In-Reply-To: <48D77BCB.1040301@gmail.com> References: <49b3a7400809200935o76fb645bv666c175ec0c2a9b7@mail.gmail.com> <48D52D73.8070606@gmail.com> <49b3a7400809211906n4b663719ga855eba9896675da@mail.gmail.com> <48D77BCB.1040301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400809221914l2ac6bd4bjcb03b481c2f6b9ab@mail.gmail.com> > you mentioned something about krunner, are you talking about > applications that send feedback to the task manager that they're going > to run, but no window actually appear, are these what annoys you? coz > these usually disappear after a while. For me the krunner windows stay open long after the process started from them has run and died. When I right click on them and click close, nothing happens. This happens for other windows too (rarely, dolphin is the only other one I've noticed), but it happens about 80% of the time for krunner. Tycho From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 06:15:45 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:15:45 +0200 Subject: Panda 3D Message-ID: Any one know when or if Panda3d will be added to the repositories? It has changed to a fully open source license. I know that was what was holding it back before. Thanks, -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Sep 23 06:45:01 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:45:01 +0200 Subject: Panda 3D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Douglas, 2008/9/23 Knapp : > Any one know when or if Panda3d will be added to the repositories? It > has changed to a fully open source license. I know that was what was > holding it back before. I think you should file a wish on Launchpad. Actually, there are packages available on their website you can download and install with dpkg. I don't think it will hit the repos so soon as Intrepid is pretty much frozen for packages, so it's unlikely to make it's way to universe before Jaunty... Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 07:01:56 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:01:56 +0200 Subject: Panda 3D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809230901.56703.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday, 23 September 2008 08:15:45 Knapp wrote: > Any one know when or if Panda3d will be added to the repositories? It > has changed to a fully open source license. I know that was what was > holding it back before. Wow - I didn't know it had shifted. I wanted to play with it but was stopped by all the Disney stuff. Great news! \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 12:25:15 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:25:15 +0200 Subject: Panda 3D In-Reply-To: <200809230901.56703.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200809230901.56703.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Donn wrote: > On Tuesday, 23 September 2008 08:15:45 Knapp wrote: >> Any one know when or if Panda3d will be added to the repositories? It >> has changed to a fully open source license. I know that was what was >> holding it back before. > Wow - I didn't know it had shifted. I wanted to play with it but was stopped > by all the Disney stuff. Great news! I have know for about 3 years that they wanted to shift but had given up hope only to find out about this! Great news for sure. IT is a really great package. I have researched almost all the major 3d engines and it is about the best, if you want more than just 3d. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From john at wexfordpress.com Tue Sep 23 14:32:51 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:32:51 -0400 Subject: svn and cmake. In-Reply-To: <48D7F698.9040902@lemmons.name> References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D7F698.9040902@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> On Monday 22 September 2008 03:48:40 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > > sudo apt-get install subversion > > I *think* this is what you are asking for... > > The same would apply for scribus as well, uless you are in > desperate need of the development version of the software. > > sudo apt-get install scribus First, I was disappointed in Kubuntu in several respects, not the least of which the silly restriction against signing on as root. So I tried a few Debian installs, ending up with Debian testing. This offered the current stable version of Scribus (1.3.3.12). But I was looking for the bleeding edge version. I did apt-get install subversion and that worked fine. Thanks for the hint. I did apt-get install gcc I think there is a more general command to download the compiler, the linker etc. but I don't know what it is. After making two directories and successfulley running svn in one I did apt-get install cmake and that succeeded but apparently there is some setup required for cmake. It errored off because the compiler is not specified. I'll try copying over the Slack version of cmake and see if that works. This list is probably not the right one to discuss the innards of Debian testing so I'll look for a more appropriate one. Thanks for your help with subversion. Guessing what Debian/Kubuntu calls things is a bit of an art form. -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Tue Sep 23 14:47:48 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:47:48 +0100 Subject: svn and cmake. In-Reply-To: <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D7F698.9040902@lemmons.name> <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <48D90194.10405@yahoo.it> John Culleton wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2008 03:48:40 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> sudo apt-get install subversion >> >> I *think* this is what you are asking for... >> >> The same would apply for scribus as well, uless you are in >> desperate need of the development version of the software. >> >> sudo apt-get install scribus > > First, I was disappointed in Kubuntu in several respects, not the > least of which the silly restriction against signing on as root. So > I tried a few Debian installs, ending up with Debian testing. This > offered the current stable version of Scribus (1.3.3.12). But I was > looking for the bleeding edge version. I did > apt-get install subversion > and that worked fine. Thanks for the hint. I did > apt-get install gcc > I think there is a more general command to download the compiler, the > linker etc. but I don't know what it is. Try: sudo apt-get install build-essential (or your preferred package manager) HTH, I. > After making two directories and successfulley running svn in one I > did > apt-get install cmake > and that succeeded but apparently there is some setup required for > cmake. It errored off because the compiler is not specified. I'll > try copying over the Slack version of cmake and see if that works. > > This list is probably not the right one to discuss the innards of > Debian testing so I'll look for a more appropriate one. Thanks for > your help with subversion. Guessing what Debian/Kubuntu calls things > is a bit of an art form. > From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 15:38:33 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:38:33 +0200 Subject: svn and cmake. In-Reply-To: <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D7F698.9040902@lemmons.name> <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM, John Culleton wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2008 03:48:40 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> >> sudo apt-get install subversion >> >> I *think* this is what you are asking for... >> >> The same would apply for scribus as well, uless you are in >> desperate need of the development version of the software. >> >> sudo apt-get install scribus > > First, I was disappointed in Kubuntu in several respects, not the > least of which the silly restriction against signing on as root. So > I tried a few Debian installs, ending up with Debian testing. This > offered the current stable version of Scribus (1.3.3.12). But I was > looking for the bleeding edge version. I did > apt-get install subversion > and that worked fine. Thanks for the hint. I did > apt-get install gcc > I think there is a more general command to download the compiler, the > linker etc. but I don't know what it is. > After making two directories and successfulley running svn in one I > did > apt-get install cmake > and that succeeded but apparently there is some setup required for > cmake. It errored off because the compiler is not specified. I'll > try copying over the Slack version of cmake and see if that works. > > This list is probably not the right one to discuss the innards of > Debian testing so I'll look for a more appropriate one. Thanks for > your help with subversion. Guessing what Debian/Kubuntu calls things > is a bit of an art form. > > -- > John Culleton I had this same problem so I just started up adept manager and typed svn and up pops subversion. I am sure you can do this with command line too. And there is a meta package for compiling stuff. Can't think of the name of the top of my head. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 23 16:21:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:21:30 -0300 Subject: svn and cmake. References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <48D7F698.9040902@lemmons.name> <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <2964187.YRcQmYJleA@cedar.serverforest.com> John Culleton wrote: > First, I was disappointed in Kubuntu in several respects, not the > least of which the silly restriction against signing on as root. Man, I get SOOO tired of people complaining about this. There is no such restriction. There is, however, a very well-thought policy that doesn't create a root login by default, and that policy has absolutely nothing to do with trying to prevent users from becoming root. Why on earth did you bother to install Kubuntu if you want something completely different? (That question applies to using cutting-edge software, too - Debian/Ubuntu _don't_ provide the cutting edge packages, because they're not intended for users who are into experimenting at that level, and because it takes time to ensure that packages actually work in the distro's environment). > This list is probably not the right one to discuss the innards of > Debian testing so I'll look for a more appropriate one. Thanks for > your help with subversion. Guessing what Debian/Kubuntu calls things > is a bit of an art form. No, it's not. It's simplicity itself. "apt-cache search svn", or even just search in the default package manager. Still, since the project is called "subversion" (see http://subversion.tigris.org/), not "svn", it would seem that subversion would have been a pretty smart choice. -- derek From john at wexfordpress.com Tue Sep 23 17:53:00 2008 From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:53:00 -0400 Subject: svn and cmake. In-Reply-To: <2964187.YRcQmYJleA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> <2964187.YRcQmYJleA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809231353.00358.john@wexfordpress.com> On Tuesday 23 September 2008 12:21:30 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > John Culleton wrote: > > First, I was disappointed in Kubuntu in several respects, not the > > least of which the silly restriction against signing on as root. > > Man, I get SOOO tired of people complaining about this. There is > no such restriction. There is, however, a very well-thought policy > that doesn't create a root login by default, and that policy has > absolutely nothing to do with trying to prevent users from becoming > root. Why on earth did you bother to install Kubuntu if you want > something completely different? (That question applies to using > cutting-edge software, too - Debian/Ubuntu _don't_ provide the > cutting edge packages, because they're not intended for users who > are into experimenting at that level, and because it takes time to > ensure that packages actually work in the distro's environment). > > > This list is probably not the right one to discuss the innards of > > Debian testing so I'll look for a more appropriate one. Thanks > > for your help with subversion. Guessing what Debian/Kubuntu calls > > things is a bit of an art form. > > No, it's not. It's simplicity itself. "apt-cache search svn", or > even just search in the default package manager. > > Still, since the project is called "subversion" (see > http://subversion.tigris.org/), not "svn", it would seem that > subversion would have been a pretty smart choice. > -- > derek Walk a yard or two in my moccasins. I have used Slackware since the days when it came on floppy disk images. Somewhere along the way it abandoned Gnome. I became interested in a layout program called Scribus and a drawing program called Illustrator. Scribus uses Qt and the current Illustrator requires some very up to date Gtk packages. The developmental Scribus requires QT 4. I tried modernizing my Slackware but the results were unsatisfactory. I needed an OS that allowed easy access to recent gtk packages and easy access to Qt4. After years of use I didn't want to give up on KDE. Kubuntu seemed like a match. It was out of the Debian family but featured KDE. I recognized that it doesn't feature cutting edge programs but figured I could bend it to my needs. No such luck. So now I am trying Debian testing. So far not bad. Thanks to some helpful answers here I will get the compiler package working right and I still have hopes for cmake. Unfortunately that is a deal buster for recent versions of Scribus. The developers think cmake is the greatest thing since jellybeans and have abandoned ./configure for development versions of Scribus. So thanks for all the help on this list and goodbye. I have found a more suitable path with Debian testing. (The stable Debian is behind even Slackware in the up to date package area.) There are a few annoyances, like why do I have to fire up the net connection with a separate action and why does my Slack partion show up several times in Grub, but nothing there I can't live with. If Kubuntu folks are tired hearing about the lack of an easy way to create root access they could always fix it in the install routine. I figured out how to change root's password in maintenance mode but there is an elusive parameter somewhere that prohibits root logins that I haven't found---and won't find it seems since I have switched to Debian. Signing off now. -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Tue Sep 23 19:14:50 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:14:50 -0400 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] Message-ID: Just installed alpha 6 from the alt install image... I'm definitely not used to KDE4, so I don't know how much of what I'm having difficulty with is KDE4 and how much is Intrepid specific... But I have some issues with my first experience with it. I'm not talking about the unexpected application crashes that I figure are just part of trying an alpha release. The first issue I have with it is that I can't find a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to pull up the Kmenu... When I first tried to do this I thought it would be as simple as opening the kcontrol panel and fining the action "popup launch menu" and assigning the + shortcut. But I couldn't start kcontrol. I had already gotten rid of the vista like thing that the start menu button uses by default nowadays, so it took a bit to find out which menu setting to use so that the kmenu would include the current tool that does the job of kcontrol... ( I never liked the click on the icon selection mechanism and this doesn't seam to offer much for keyboard centric controls but once thing are configured I shouldn't need to go here much Though when I do I'll have to figure out how to find it all over again because the only kmenu setting that includes it outside of the favorites list that I expect it to have expired from, doesn't have much else. And since I don't know it's command name I haven't a clue how to menu edit it into the standard applications style kmenu. But anyway when I finally found the commandnameless control center, and discovered that keyboard shortcuts were no longer under the heading of regional & accessibility. I then discovered that the shortcut assignment method was more mouse intensive That is with kcontrol I could use the keyboard to scroll down the list of actions, eliminate the MANY that I didn't want with +N. IE since I can close a window from the window operations menu which I set to a comfortable shortcut, I do not want any shortcut assigned to close, max, Min, shade, or for that matter kill window actions. eliminating these with this point n click intensive method was far more cumbersome. And at first I was simply taken aback by the fact that I wasn't finding an action labeled popup launch menu... Then when I eventually looked under the kde component called plasma (what is plasma????) I found to actions one that said + was assigned to something called "Application Launcher" and the other that said + would show dashboard... Well + did pop up something I guess is the so called dashboard (and disappeared the taskbar. Fortunately it was a toggle so I got my task bar back easy enough. BUT NOTHING happens when I press + whatsoever. I also can't find a way to get rid of that mini display area labeled desktop on what I think of as the desktop. Nor a way to ditch that %&%)*&%)*& yellow notes: (I never liked paper postit notes either) If I want to keep notes I'll simply keep them in text files I can open with any dang editor I choose. I want that thing off my desktop... Like I said at the beginning, since I've never used kde4, I have no idea how much of this is kde4 and how much is Intrepid. All I can say is "YUCK!" I just hope kubuntu outgrows this "thing" before support for Hardy vanishes. Cause I sure don't plan on migrating to THIS environment... -- | --- --- | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | J(tWdy)P ^ | <> /---\ "bla bla bla..." | \___/ "...and bla..." At least I know my mouth is running, I just can't find the off button! From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 23 19:39:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:39:36 -0300 Subject: svn and cmake. References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> <2964187.YRcQmYJleA@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809231353.00358.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <1235469.G7uhEc6p2N@cedar.serverforest.com> John Culleton wrote: > If Kubuntu folks are tired hearing about the lack of an easy way to > create root access they could always fix it in the install routine. There's nothing to fix. You don't NEED it. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 19:52:33 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:52:33 +0300 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Just installed alpha 6 from the alt install image... > > I'm definitely not used to KDE4, so I don't know how much of what I'm > having difficulty with is KDE4 and how much is Intrepid specific... > > But I have some issues with my first experience with it. I'm not talking > about the unexpected application crashes that I figure are just part of > trying an alpha release. > > The first issue I have with it is that I can't find a way to assign a > keyboard shortcut to pull up the Kmenu... > > When I first tried to do this I thought it would be as simple as opening > the kcontrol panel and fining the action "popup launch menu" and > assigning the + shortcut. But I couldn't start kcontrol. > > I had already gotten rid of the vista like thing that the start menu > button uses by default nowadays, so it took a bit to find out which menu > setting to use so that the kmenu would include the current tool that does > the job of kcontrol... ( I never liked the click on the icon > selection mechanism and this doesn't seam to offer much for > keyboard centric controls but once thing are configured I > shouldn't need to go here much Though when I do I'll have to > figure out how to find it all over again because the only > kmenu setting that includes it outside of the favorites list > that I expect it to have expired from, doesn't have much else. > And since I don't know it's command name I haven't a clue how > to menu edit it into the standard applications style kmenu. > > But anyway when I finally found the commandnameless control > center, and discovered that keyboard shortcuts were no longer > under the heading of regional & accessibility. I then > discovered that the shortcut assignment method was more mouse > intensive That is with kcontrol I could use the keyboard to > scroll down the list of actions, eliminate the MANY that I > didn't want with +N. IE since I can close a window from the window > operations menu which I set to a comfortable shortcut, I do > not want any shortcut assigned to close, max, Min, shade, or for > that matter kill window actions. eliminating these with this > point n click intensive method was far more cumbersome. > And at first I was simply taken aback by the fact that I > wasn't finding an action labeled popup launch menu... Then > when I eventually looked under the kde component called plasma > (what is plasma????) I found to actions one that said > + was assigned to something called "Application > Launcher" and the other that said + would show > dashboard... > > Well + did pop up something I guess is the so > called dashboard (and disappeared the taskbar. Fortunately it > was a toggle so I got my task bar back easy enough. BUT > NOTHING happens when I press + whatsoever. > > I also can't find a way to get rid of that mini display area > labeled desktop on what I think of as the desktop. Nor a way to > ditch that %&%)*&%)*& yellow notes: (I never liked paper > postit notes either) If I want to keep notes I'll simply keep > them in text files I can open with any dang editor I choose. I > want that thing off my desktop... > > Like I said at the beginning, since I've never used kde4, I have > no idea how much of this is kde4 and how much is Intrepid. > All I can say is "YUCK!" I just hope kubuntu outgrows this > "thing" before support for Hardy vanishes. Cause I sure don't > plan on migrating to THIS environment... > KDE4 has it's problems all right, and so is intrepid, but you're just being harsh. have you read the list of known bugs? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6 it says that keyboard shortcuts have problems, and clearly states how to fix this. kcontrol is gone for ever i assume, it doesn't exist anymore, get over it, there are other ways to change settings around the system, and systemsettings is there for a reason. apparently, you are very confused about KDE4 and dislike so many of it's features because you are missing the one and probably most important feature in KDE4, PLASMA! everything around you on the screen (almost everything) is a plasmoid. the k-menu included. and so are the other stuff around the desktop you hate. right-click the desktop, and click add widget, click unlock widgets if you couldn't find the add widgets menu entry. now you can remove and add widgets from there. (widgets are plasmoids) you can remove the default k-menu and add the old k-menu if you want, and put anything you like! plasma is a very fun thing to mess and play around with. i compiled and installed the win-embed plasmoid http://ksvladimir.blogspot.com/2008/06/converting-any-window-into-plasmoid.html, i can't live without it now. the thing labeled desktop is the plasmoid called pager BTW. KDE4 is still in development, and so is intrepid, it got it's flaws, but no, it's not yuck at all. i like it with all it's bugs and huger cockroaches. i do have some issues with some apps missing with no similar alternatives, like kooka for example. but it's good, it works, i chat, i browse the net, i print, i collaborate with others using samba shares, i use IRC, i scan using xsane (not exactly kooka, but still decent), i read email on thunderbird, and i play games! it hasn't crashed a single time, i started using it in alpha5, apps crash sometimes, but not the apps i'm using, usually background processes are the ones that crash a lot. and apport is very helpful for identifying them. so basically, IT WORKS! it still can't do rocket science projects, but that's not what almost all ppl's daily uses are! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not clunky (imo) like kooka is, but not as complex as xsane. I don't know why it isn't installed by default. I am going to suggest it -- Clay Weber From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 20:33:09 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switch to kubuntu first impressions Message-ID: <929925.98952.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I've been using debian for years now, but the stable version is rather recomended for server hardware, because it lacks support for modern hardware used on notebooks. I've been using SuSE on my notebook, but it is pretty heavy, so few friends and linux experts recommended to go to k/ubuntu. I've installed it the day before and the first impresion is pretty good, but I think I've expected much more. Despite of this that some expectations are unmet, I have few questions. 1) dhclient When I did network restart sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart it said permission denied on /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script. I did ls -al /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script -rwsr-xr-- 1 root ssh 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script Why the h* it has permissions root:ssh I've installed another kubuntu and there it says -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dhcp 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script 2. wlan After installation wireless worked fine. I've installed a bunch of programs and now I can not activate the wlan trough knetworkmanager. Why? I was previously able to switch on/off by the hardware kill switch. What should I do to make it work I've been using the old ipw3945 with ipw3945d, I don't know much about iwl*. I read that few problems regarding this on dell notebooks will be solved in 2.6.27. When I use the software or hardware kill switch (and I do this because I don't like wave transmissions around me) I have permanent syslog messages like Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:0c:00.0 disabled It seems that there is link missing to ACPI. How can I get rid of it? The only way I found to enable/disable wlan is following: a) press the button for wireless control Fn+F2 b) run iwconfig txpower on c) modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 (this is necessary to initialize the driver. otherwise it says tx-power=-1Dbm) d) enable wlan over knetworkmanager. This is too much, especially as it requires superuser privileges. How can this be solved? There are few systems that seem not to work smoothly together like dbus/hal/acpi/ifplug(udev). So I think I am over-challenged with this. Any help is appreciated. 3) shutdown/reboot When I reboot the system says sending TERM/KILL signal and it stays so for about a minute. Why? 4) dual monitor layout Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid 3d limitation of screen size and when using two monitors there is no 3d acceleration I observed following. When I login with a new user it spannes the screen on both monitors. With my old user I can not do this and have to run xrandr manually. When I have the home on the local partition I put the xrandr script in .kde/Autostart and it works but when I have my home on nfs partition it does not. Where is the problem. There are two other issues with this intel card and xrandr. Who is responsible to extend the functionallity of the krandrtray, so a user can say use two desktops - I'm really missing it. Also a feature for screen A left/right of screen B would be fine. Screen here is monitor of course. thanks for all you help regards From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 20:40:40 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:40:40 +0200 Subject: switch to kubuntu first impressions In-Reply-To: <929925.98952.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <929925.98952.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry I can't be more help on your questions but I have one for you. Why go with kubuntu when you want something light? I would at least pick Xubuntu if not something really light like Damn small Linux. I do run KDE on my very old laptop and it works OK as long as I don't try and run 2 things at the same time. It works better with Xubuntu though but then I miss KDE. Best of luck, -- Douglas E Knapp, KDE addict http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ender8282 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 20:51:32 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:51:32 -0700 Subject: svn and cmake. In-Reply-To: <200809231353.00358.john@wexfordpress.com> References: <200809221542.08660.john@wexfordpress.com> <200809231032.52268.john@wexfordpress.com> <2964187.YRcQmYJleA@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809231353.00358.john@wexfordpress.com> Message-ID: <48D956D4.1070502@yahoo.com> When I type svn into my kubuntu (8.04.1) bash prompt it tells me: @ The program 'svn' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: @ sudo apt-get install subversion @ bash: svn: command not found and a very similar message comes up when I try to run cmake. How did you figure out that these weren't installed and not see this message? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 20:56:36 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switch to kubuntu first impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <474527.41550.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Knapp wrote: > Why go with kubuntu when you want something light? I would > at least I think I'm kde/debian addicted :-) I love debian. I know most of the file structure and where to find things, how to compile packages and maintain the system. So I'm really happy with it. That's why I think kubuntu is the best choice for my notebook (for now) regards From tycho at tycho.ws Tue Sep 23 21:42:07 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:42:07 -0500 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49b3a7400809231442t74e63213v965be8ad1a625810@mail.gmail.com> > I also can't find a way to get rid of that mini display area > labeled desktop on what I think of as the desktop. Nor a way to > ditch that %&%)*&%)*& yellow notes: (I never liked paper > postit notes either) If I want to keep notes I'll simply keep > them in text files I can open with any dang editor I choose. I > want that thing off my desktop... Right click, select "Unlock widgets" and then hover your mouse over the post-it note for a second. A little black bar will appear on the side, with an (admittedly small) X that you can click to wipe it away forever. This works with any other widget you have installed as well. When you're done, right click again and click "Lock widgets". The lock/unlock distinction is a new one to the KDE configuration world, but it is growing on me. That said, there are some stability issues, even in 4.1.1. 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URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Sep 24 06:25:53 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:25:53 +0200 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes--hdparm and harddrive temps/cycles In-Reply-To: <200809221749.25883.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48D654EC.6020208@gmail.com> <200809220713.25584.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809221749.25883.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: Larry Hartman schrieb: >>> you can try installing ksensors, which is a GUI frontend for lm-sensors. >>> it can provide with many info about the computer, including >>> temperatures. fan speeds, CPU loads, memory info, swap info and many >>> other things. >> nifty little tool, thanx! >> >> Incidentally I purchased a new CR2032 clock battery and installed >> yesterday...I do not know the mechanics of all that a new battery would >> affect, but my whole system seems to have settled down a bit since then. >> Coincidental? >> >> And...I bought an external hard drive and backed up all of my work. >> >> Larry > > Well I got to nosing around all sorts of things......I have an average load > count of 12 cycles per hour on both of my harddrives (there are two in my > laptop).....hdparm -B is set to 254. The laptop is 95% of the time running > on AC. Seems 12 is a little high for AC? Wondering if I am getting temp > problems relating to hard drive activity. > > Larry > Larry, what do all the nifty dials of ksensors report in regard to load and cpu/hh temperatures? Kind regards Eberhard From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 09:48:19 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kunbuntu widgets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427729.74456.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't understand your question What are those widgets that you mean --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Ray Burke wrote: > From: Ray Burke > Subject: Kunbuntu widgets > To: "kubuntu-users mail support" , "Kubuntu-users request_lists" > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:18 AM > I am new to Kunbubtu on my sencond hdd1 and have set up a > dual boot with xp pro sp3 (on hdd0), > and I want to know how operate widgets on the > system?????????? > From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Wed Sep 24 12:59:08 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:59:08 -0700 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes--hdparm and harddrive temps/cycles In-Reply-To: References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809221749.25883.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200809240559.08651.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Tuesday 23 September 2008 11:25:53 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Larry Hartman schrieb: > >>> you can try installing ksensors, which is a GUI frontend for > >>> lm-sensors. it can provide with many info about the computer, including > >>> temperatures. fan speeds, CPU loads, memory info, swap info and many > >>> other things. > >> > >> nifty little tool, thanx! > >> > >> Incidentally I purchased a new CR2032 clock battery and installed > >> yesterday...I do not know the mechanics of all that a new battery would > >> affect, but my whole system seems to have settled down a bit since then. > >> Coincidental? > >> > >> And...I bought an external hard drive and backed up all of my work. > >> > >> Larry > > > > Well I got to nosing around all sorts of things......I have an average > > load count of 12 cycles per hour on both of my harddrives (there are two > > in my laptop).....hdparm -B is set to 254. The laptop is 95% of the time > > running on AC. Seems 12 is a little high for AC? Wondering if I am > > getting temp problems relating to hard drive activity. > > > > Larry > > Larry, > > what do all the nifty dials of ksensors report in regard to load and > cpu/hh temperatures? > > Kind regards > Eberhard there is only the CPU temp sensor listed in the program config window....this fluctuates between 103-140ish, the high end when the CPU is crunched. I placed the simple system monitor applet on my panel and the system tray icon for ksensors to watch the CPU activity in conjunction with the CPU temp. I have smartmon tools installed--is there a gui related to this that is convenient to mon hdd temp? I do hear the occassional park click on one of my harddrives every now and then, but am not counting anywhere close to 12 an hour. Larry From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Sep 24 13:41:27 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:41:27 +0200 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes--hdparm and harddrive temps/cycles In-Reply-To: <200809240559.08651.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809221749.25883.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809240559.08651.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: Larry Hartman schrieb: >> Larry, >> >> what do all the nifty dials of ksensors report in regard to load and >> cpu/hh temperatures? >> > > there is only the CPU temp sensor listed in the program config window....this > fluctuates between 103-140ish, the high end when the CPU is crunched. Did you try as root sensors-detect. If you are lucky a few sensors might be detected and afterwards KDE should offer them for display. I > placed the simple system monitor applet on my panel and the system tray icon > for ksensors to watch the CPU activity in conjunction with the CPU temp. > > I have smartmon tools installed--is there a gui related to this that is > convenient to mon hdd temp? I do hear the occassional park click on one of > my harddrives every now and then, but am not counting anywhere close to 12 an > hour. For sure there are commandline tools that I currently do not remeber. However, I experienced both on different machines: working harddsik monitoring via ksensors and no monitoring at all. Again, should your BIOS have a "smartmon" (or very similar) configuration, be sure to activate this. Kind regards Eberhard > > Larry > From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Sep 24 14:45:34 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:45:34 +0200 Subject: turning japanese with 8.04 - input methods In-Reply-To: <200809211549.43381.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200809201842.59078.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809211558.16208.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809211549.43381.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809241645.34227.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Sonntag, 21. September 2008 16:49:43 schrieb Lisi Reisz: snip > I had quite a struggle with this for my granddaughter. It is documented on > the OpenOffice.org mailing list: > > nput&defaultField=subject&Search=Search> > > That is actually the end of a very long saga. I think that I had installed > scim and skim before that thread started. > > The final result is that my granddaughter can now type on a UK keyboard, in > a British English installation of Kubuntu, and get Kana or Kanji, but only > in K* applications. However this is not too restricting, as she can cut > and paste from, say, KWord into OpenOffice.org Write and the correct > Japanese characters remain. > > HTH > Lisi That's just not a good solution. I need it working in qt and gtk2 apps alike by installing a few packages. If it was me - alright. But not for some user. Anyone else got a more simple solution? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Sep 24 16:41:10 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:41:10 -0700 Subject: Kunbuntu widgets In-Reply-To: <427729.74456.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <427729.74456.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200809240941.10271.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 24 September 2008 2:48:19 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > I don't understand your question > > What are those widgets that you mean He is talking about KDE 4.1.* which if evidently you are not running. Actually since they are a new addition to KDE, quite a few of us don't yet know how to use them! However, because 8.10 is moving to KDE 4.1.* , we'd best figure out how to use it or revert to Gnome!! From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Sep 24 17:45:29 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:45:29 -0400 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] In-Reply-To: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> References: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Tue, 23 Sep 2008 Willy K. Hamra did say: > KDE4 has it's problems all right, and so is intrepid, but you're just > being harsh. have you read the list of known bugs? > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6 OK perhaps I was being a bit harsh, But it felt harsh to me. It seams like all control settings are going to be primarily made with the rodent in hand. Which annoys me a bit because I lack some of the hand/eye/screen coordination needed to use the dang thing well. I do a little better with track balls but even then it's usually easier for me to type 30 or forty words than to get the gosh durned rodent accurately pointed at anything I need to click on. (and that's not to say I consider myself a typist... If it weren't for spell check, even I wouldn't know what I typed most of the time...) And I'll confess I hadn't read the bug list... Thanks for the url ;-) > it says that keyboard shortcuts have problems, and clearly states how to > fix this. IF that's what was meant by the expression "some keys might misbehave in X", then I suppose it shouldn't be hard too set the keyboard model to "Generic Evdev-managed"... > kcontrol is gone for ever i assume, it doesn't exist anymore, get over > it, there are other ways to change settings around the system, and > systemsettings is there for a reason. Yeah I figured kcontrol was gone I liked it too much, and that usually spell the end of things {Though how the Nielsens seam to know which shows I've just begun to like, so they can kill them off so promptly I'll never know...:-( } And while I dislike the point'n click intensive style of windowfull of icons that seams to have replaced it. I CAN, given enough time, make the few settings I need to with it. I'm not sure if the way you typed "systemsettings" as on word implies a command name that will call it up from the run prompt the way kcontol used to call up the old control center or not but next time I boot intrepid I'll sure find out. > apparently, you are very confused about KDE4 and dislike so many of it's > features because you are missing the one and probably most important > feature in KDE4, PLASMA! everything around you on the screen (almost > everything) is a plasmoid. the k-menu included. and so are the other > stuff around the desktop you hate. right-click the desktop, and click > add widget, click unlock widgets if you couldn't find the add widgets > menu entry. now you can remove and add widgets from there. (widgets are > plasmoids) you can remove the default k-menu and add the old k-menu if > you want, and put anything you like! plasma is a very fun thing to mess > and play around with. i compiled and installed the win-embed plasmoid > http://ksvladimir.blogspot.com/2008/06/converting-any-window-into-plasmoid.html, > i can't live without it now. the thing labeled desktop is the plasmoid > called pager BTW. Maybe that is something to do with my problem. I don't actually think visually. I usually configure kde to not even allow icons on my desktop. I open MOST applications from the run prompt or call them from a konsole command line. When I'm done actively using an application that I don't want to terminate, I minimize it, when I can finally see an unimpeded view of my "wallpaper" I know I've completed all the tasks I set up to do on that desk top. When I get an unimpeded view of the "wallpaper" on all 4 of my desktops, I know it's time to decide if I'm going to use my PC to "play", watch TV, or check with my lady about what she'd like us to do... To me it seams like these plasmoids are just a way to have what I'd call fancy semi-interactive icons cluttering up my background image when I don't have any non-minimized open windows in the way. In which case I don't want them. Especially if I gotta control them with the (to me) laborious, time consuming process of manipulating the &%&*)%^& rodent into just the right position to click, right click etc.. to do something that I used to be able to do (most of) with just my keyboard. When you say I can put back the old kmenu do you mean the whole thing? Or do you mean the several separate pieces of it that seem to coincide with the "categories" you get when you select one of the horizontal row of buttons that line the bottom of the new style k-menu... I don't feel like it's the old k-menu when I gotta right click on the menu start button to change the currently displayed category. A process that for me is both time consuming and laborious to wrestle with the ^%^(&% rodent until I finally have the pointer on just the right spot so I can HOPE I don't accidentally let it drift to far from the spot while I try to "click" on it.. {took me almost 2 minutes just to successfully right click on the k-menu start button, and select the old k-menu style} And that didn't count selecting a category... Speaking of which, I couldn't find a setting that defaulted to displaying ALL of the said categories... I suppose that IF I can figure out the actual the command names of all those menu items that I don't use enough to just remember what to type at the run prompt to invoke them, then I could pick the k-menu style I liked best and then use menu edit to add in all the choices from the other categories, But I'm doubtful that KDE would automatically add new menu items to it for newly installed software that happened to normally get inserted into one of the other categories. > KDE4 is still in development, and so is intrepid, it got it's flaws, but > no, it's not yuck at all. i like it with all it's bugs and huger > cockroaches. i do have some issues with some apps missing with no > similar alternatives, like kooka for example. but it's good, it works, i > chat, i browse the net, i print, i collaborate with others using samba > shares, i use IRC, i scan using xsane (not exactly kooka, but still > decent), i read email on thunderbird, and i play games! it hasn't > crashed a single time, i started using it in alpha5, apps crash > sometimes, but not the apps i'm using, usually background processes are > the ones that crash a lot. and apport is very helpful for identifying > them. so basically, IT WORKS! it still can't do rocket science projects, > but that's not what almost all ppl's daily uses are! Well I'm glad somebody finds it useful. But to me anytime mouse intensive control methods supplant rather than supplement existing keyboard control methods it is very much a "yuck"... As is every time an existing list of selectable text items is supplanted with icon _ONLY_ views of the same selections. The original reason why I chose kde instead of gnome was that back then, kde tended to organize things in menu choices, where I could find things even when I didn't know they existed prior to my browsing the menu. And when I'd ask a gnome user how the heck they did something in gnome I invariably was told that I just needed to put the mouse someplace { that usually wasn't labeled } and right click on it to get a pop-up choice to do what I wanted... DANG IT! I hates computer rodents more than Yosemite Sam ever hated rabbits... -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <#> <#> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | |---| <> From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Sep 24 17:50:44 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:50:44 -0400 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] In-Reply-To: <200809231619.23459.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> <200809231619.23459.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 23, claydoh did say: > try skanlite for scanning . Not clunky (imo) like kooka is, but not as complex > as xsane. I don't know why it isn't installed by default. I am going to > suggest it Until Willy mentioned it I hadn't even noticed that kooka was unavailable... But it would have frustrated me soon. Thanks for mentioning a possible replacement... Thanks! -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 18:04:16 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kunbuntu widgets In-Reply-To: <200809240941.10271.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <783004.49099.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, thanks, I was confused first because of the widgets and then by mentioning XP. I don't use kde4 I like stable stuff as much as possible. thanks and regards --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Pastor JW wrote: > He is talking about KDE 4.1.* which if evidently you are > not running. > Actually since they are a new addition to KDE, quite a few > of us don't yet > know how to use them! However, because 8.10 is moving to > KDE 4.1.* , we'd > best figure out how to use it or revert to Gnome!! From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Sep 24 19:13:03 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:13:03 -0400 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400809231442t74e63213v965be8ad1a625810@mail.gmail.com> References: <49b3a7400809231442t74e63213v965be8ad1a625810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 23, Tycho Andersen did say: > Right click, select "Unlock widgets" and then hover your mouse over the > post-it note for a second. A little black bar will appear on the side, with > an (admittedly small) X that you can click to wipe it away forever. This > works with any other widget you have installed as well. When you're done, > right click again and click "Lock widgets". > > The lock/unlock distinction is a new one to the KDE configuration world, but > it is growing on me. That said, there are some stability issues, even in > 4.1.1. > > I wrote a short little comparison between KDE 3.5 and 4.1 > Well first off thanks for the instruction on how to get rid of annoying desktop things I don't want to look at... This lock/unlock feature is going to have a hard time growing on me unless there is a keyboard only method of doing it... As I mentioned in my reply to Willy, I have difficulty with the mouse, hence I have little use for icons, things that only appear while the mouse is hovering in the right spot and especially "small" click targets. I looked at your comparison and I gotta say I have very little use for those tiny icons on the panel, The only thing I ever had use for what I still call the taskbar is the list of open windows which includes even minimized ones I might have forgotten about. And the displayed time... Though I'll admit that if I could find a way to bind a hot key to the action of clicking on the clock face I'd use the pop-up calender more often than walking out to the kitchen to look at the one on the wall... To start applications I generally use the keyboard to select either the run prompt with + to type the ones I can remember how, or pop open the K-menu with + and scroll around it with the cursor control keys (If I try to use the mouse for that I never can keep the pointer between the lines long enough to reach the 2nd layer pop-up menu without accidentally changing focus to sub-menu above or below first...) I disable almost all shortcuts involving the control of windows except for the one that opens the windows operations menu which I always set to ++ and if I could delete "shade" from that menu I would... I dislike click launch icons. I positively hate the way they replaced the run prompts text based command history with a pop up display of distracting icons... ( I don't actually think in pictures so to figure out what each icon means my brain wants to process the proverbial thousand words) Worse still, The picture somehow gets priority processing anyway so I can't even read the words that MAY be under it until my brain gives up trying to process the picture. And woe unto me if some animation moves while I'm trying to read the text cause trying to read while something on the screen/page/billboard/etc... is moving rapidly gives me an intense headache... I think I'd prefer to totally disable ALL command history/suggestive help of any kind before I'd want all those icons... If/when I HAVE to convert to this kde4, I think I'm going to have to reassign + to the konsole and waste one of those every time I want a run prompt... At least I'd have bash's command history, and I suspect it will be a very long time before konsole starts waving all those distracting icons at me as I try to type a command. It is possible that I'll risk using hardy for years after it's officially unsupported rather than go with kde4... That said, I'll play with intrepid a bit. Though I don't think I'll want try to get any work done with it... -- | ^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <> | | From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be Wed Sep 24 19:32:09 2008 From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:32:09 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu and iPod Shuffle Message-ID: <200809242132.12343.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Hi, I have just buy a iPod Shuffle 1 Gb. I plug-it in, Amarok recognize it and I could copy some mp3 files on it. My problem is that the iPod does not charge (I can charge a iPod Video without any problem): the orange light is always blinking. I have seen a lot of comments on the Internet explaining that the iPod seems to wait a synchronization with iTunes (which I do not have of course). Anyone has an idea on how to charge it ,without to buy some accessory to charge from the sector ;-) Thanks. -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq Researcher Université Libre de Bruxelles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Wed Sep 24 19:51:10 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:51:10 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu and iPod Shuffle In-Reply-To: <200809242132.12343.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> References: <200809242132.12343.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <200809241551.15475.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 24 September 2008 3:32:09 pm Pascal Francq wrote: > Hi, > I have just buy a iPod Shuffle 1 Gb. I plug-it in, Amarok recognize it and > I could copy some mp3 files on it. > My problem is that the iPod does not charge (I can charge a iPod Video > without any problem): the orange light is always blinking. I have seen a > lot of comments on the Internet explaining that the iPod seems to wait a > synchronization with iTunes (which I do not have of course). Anyone has an > idea on how to charge it ,without to buy some accessory to charge from the > sector ;-) > Thanks. I have not tried this with the newest iPod shuffles, but the older ones (that look like a pack of chewing gum) charge, even when they are showing blinking orange. Try giving it a bit more time for charging. When fully charged, the light stays on, and blinks while charging. Don't remember the color. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tycho at tycho.ws Wed Sep 24 22:16:20 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:16:20 -0500 Subject: Can't seam to assign alt+F1 to pop up the kmenu???? [Kubuntu Intrepid alpha 6] In-Reply-To: References: <49b3a7400809231442t74e63213v965be8ad1a625810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400809241516j1769f863w844a9c7e1a5f5b51@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > Well first off thanks for the instruction on how to get rid of annoying > desktop things I don't want to look at... This lock/unlock feature is > going to have a hard time growing on me unless there is a keyboard only > method of doing it... As I mentioned in my reply to Willy, I have > difficulty with the mouse, hence I have little use for icons, things > that only appear while the mouse is hovering in the right spot and > especially "small" click targets. Unless you reconfigure everything a lot, I don't think it will be a problem. I didn't like it either at first, but after my initial configuration it's not been an issue at all. > If/when I HAVE to convert to this kde4, I think I'm going to have to > reassign + to the konsole and waste one of those every time I > want a run prompt... At least I'd have bash's command history, and I > suspect it will be a very long time before konsole starts waving all > those distracting icons at me as I try to type a command. You might be a great candidate for Yakuake. I'm guessing you've probably never played the Quake series of videogames, but suffice it to say that this awesome innovation was derived from there. Yakuake is a simple app that wraps konsole in a dropdown window. You can bind it to a global hotkey (in my case the tilda key, the default is F12) and it will bring down a terminal immediately without startup delays, because it loads konsole into your main memory when you start KDE. If you've heard of it and didn't like it, you can ignore this; however I found it to be a really useful piece of software once I tried it. It's even available in the repos (it's a KDE 3.5 version for Hardy right now, though a 4.1 version has been released). I use Yakuake for most quick terminal work, but I'll start a real Konsole whenever I need the terminal for an extended period of time. Since I've been having my own issues with the ALT+F2 menu, I've been using Yakuake more and more to launch programs (appending an & onto the end of the command makes it run in the background: firefox &). > It is possible that I'll risk using hardy for years after it's > officially unsupported rather than go with kde4... That said, I'll > play with intrepid a bit. Though I don't think I'll want try to get > any work done with it... Like anything else, it probably just takes some getting used to. Good luck! Tycho From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Sep 25 05:56:41 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:56:41 +0200 Subject: ssh -X and sudo: permission mayhem Message-ID: <200809250756.41373.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Two machines, alice and bob From alice ssh'ed into bob with $ ssh -X user at bob then *on* bob ran $ sudo bash to get a root prompt. Then ran # konsole which got forwarded to alice's X. As intended. I did some root stuff like aptitude, moved stuff around with mc and such. Then logged out and rebooted bob, logged in as user to find KDE bitching about: DCOP not there something about how it can't start ksmserver or sumsuch. Hence no KDE session. Checking permissions I find that user's .ICEauthority and .mc dir now belong to root:root instead of to user:user. Why? Finally I killed those files plus other stuff and /tmp and got a clean KDE session again. How do I prevent this from happening again? What corrupted my permissions? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Sep 25 05:57:47 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:57:47 +0200 Subject: more admins: how? Message-ID: <200809250757.47321.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Needed to setup a test account with root rights the other day. logging into that account and going sysadmin mode in kcontrol I got "user unknown to sudo" while I explicitly set the account to have admin rights. What else? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Sep 25 05:59:17 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:59:17 +0200 Subject: KDM resolution Message-ID: <200809250759.18014.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> On a fresh box KDM comes up on the attached CRT with 1920x1440 at 60Hz which is about the maximum the monitor can take. Said CRT is old tho and I don't know how it will take to running this fo rlonger than a few minutes. Once I'm in KDE it's 1280x960 at 85 as supposed to. How do I make KDM use that right from the start, too? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From kassube at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 06:52:46 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:52:46 +0200 Subject: ssh -X and sudo: permission mayhem In-Reply-To: <200809250756.41373.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809250756.41373.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809250852.46365.kassube@gmx.net> Dexter Filmore wrote: > $ ssh -X user at bob > then *on* bob ran > > $ sudo bash > # konsole Don't do that - root may steal some of the user's config files. Install package gksu on the remote machine and use "gksu konsole" instead of "sudo bash". Unfortunately you can't use the intended KDE program for your remote application because kdesu is broken: Nils From alain.muls at telenet.be Thu Sep 25 08:20:25 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:20:25 +0200 Subject: Konqueror problems Message-ID: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi Some time ago, there was a animated discussion about konqueror being THE KDE application that could be used for everything and that it would be far superior than eg Dolphin (I use the KDE4.1 version). I decided to try both. I quite like Dolphin and its "mac finder"-like column view, but I find that it crashes all together too often (crashes due to going up in the directory for several levels at one, or when a refresh of current directory is needed). Since Konqueror was so applauded, I decided to try it out for file management and web browsing. In file management, the column view behaves exactly the same as in Dolphin and the exact same crashes are experienced. I suppose both applications use the same code. I therefore decided to stay with Dolphin for file management and live with these occasional crashes. In web browsing, I found Konqueror lacking the ability to auto-detect the proxy settings, which is handled correctly by firefox. Also, when I open a link from a feed in kontact, I often get an error that konqueror is unable to display the html page since its render engine died, needing a restart. Moreover Konqueror does not display pages correctly displayed by firefox. This makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, or am I doing something wrong? Tx/ALain From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Sep 25 08:21:08 2008 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:21:08 +0100 Subject: more admins: how? In-Reply-To: <200809250757.47321.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809250757.47321.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <000f01c91ee7$a98f9dd0$fcaed970$@net> -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dexter Filmore Sent: 25 September 2008 06:58 To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: more admins: how? Needed to setup a test account with root rights the other day. logging into that account and going sysadmin mode in kcontrol I got "user unknown to sudo" while I explicitly set the account to have admin rights. What else? I've done that for my own account at home. Use the system settings application, go into users. There's a group, I think it's called admin or something similar, that you add the user to. That did it for me, using Gutsy. I can just issue sudo commands without having to su - into the administrator account. Suppose I ought to take it off one day. Dave From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 10:21:35 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:21:35 -0400 Subject: KDM resolution In-Reply-To: <200809250759.18014.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200809250759.18014.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <80649F06-BFE7-4E60-9A7C-43F9167C92B3@gmail.com> I'm not at my computer right now, so I don't have the exact wording. In /etc/X11/xorg.conf look for the section with the screen resolution choices that you are set to be able to cycle through. One of the lines starts with 'default'. Change it there. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Dexter Filmore wrote: > On a fresh box KDM comes up on the attached CRT with 1920x1440 at 60Hz > which is > about the maximum the monitor can take. > Said CRT is old tho and I don't know how it will take to running > this fo > rlonger than a few minutes. > Once I'm in KDE it's 1280x960 at 85 as supposed to. > How do I make KDM use that right from the start, too? > > > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- > w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ > b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 10:32:38 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:32:38 -0400 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <0E5029E8-A9C1-489F-BB63-5C1189CBD80D@gmail.com> The prior discussion revolved around KDE 3.5.x. Konqueror 4.x uses dolphin.part for file management. As for web browsing, Firefox was always better at displaying certain sites because Konqueror insists more on wc3 standards. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Alain Muls wrote: > Hi > > Some time ago, there was a animated discussion about konqueror being > THE KDE > application that could be used for everything and that it would be far > superior than eg Dolphin (I use the KDE4.1 version). > > I decided to try both. > I quite like Dolphin and its "mac finder"-like column view, but I > find that it > crashes all together too often (crashes due to going up in the > directory for > several levels at one, or when a refresh of current directory is > needed). > Since Konqueror was so applauded, I decided to try it out for file > management > and web browsing. > > In file management, the column view behaves exactly the same as in > Dolphin and > the exact same crashes are experienced. I suppose both applications > use the > same code. I therefore decided to stay with Dolphin for file > management and > live with these occasional crashes. > > In web browsing, I found Konqueror lacking the ability to auto- > detect the > proxy settings, which is handled correctly by firefox. Also, when I > open a link > from a feed in kontact, I often get an error that konqueror is > unable to > display the html page since its render engine died, needing a restart. > Moreover Konqueror does not display pages correctly displayed by > firefox. This > makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, or am I doing > something wrong? > > Tx/ALain > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Sep 25 12:25:57 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:25:57 +0200 Subject: KVM Message-ID: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Will KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) work on a Intel Core 2 Duo? When I run KVM a terminal opens full with digits that shuffle and finally disappear? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Thu Sep 25 12:43:42 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:43:42 -0700 Subject: Laptop CPU freezes--hdparm and harddrive temps/cycles In-Reply-To: References: <200809210639.06336.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200809240559.08651.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <200809250543.42738.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Wednesday 24 September 2008 06:41:27 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Larry Hartman schrieb: > >> Larry, > >> > >> what do all the nifty dials of ksensors report in regard to load and > >> cpu/hh temperatures? > > > > there is only the CPU temp sensor listed in the program config > > window....this fluctuates between 103-140ish, the high end when the CPU > > is crunched. > > Did you try as root sensors-detect. If you are lucky a few sensors > might be detected and afterwards KDE should offer them for display. > Nothing more added. > > placed the simple system monitor applet on my panel and the system tray > > icon for ksensors to watch the CPU activity in conjunction with the CPU > > temp. > > > > I have smartmon tools installed--is there a gui related to this that is > > convenient to mon hdd temp? I do hear the occassional park click on one > > of my harddrives every now and then, but am not counting anywhere close > > to 12 an hour. > > For sure there are commandline tools that I currently do not remeber. > However, I experienced both on different machines: working harddsik > monitoring via ksensors and no monitoring at all. > Again, should your BIOS have a "smartmon" (or very similar) > configuration, be sure to activate this. No joy....apparent to me that manufacturer didnt spend any money to add these tools. Went through BIOS three times to be sure. Oh well From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 25 12:59:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:59:52 -0300 Subject: ssh -X and sudo: permission mayhem References: <200809250756.41373.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1853535.R2HOA0UzEL@cedar.serverforest.com> Dexter Filmore wrote: > Two machines, alice and bob > > From alice ssh'ed into bob with > > $ ssh -X user at bob > then *on* bob ran > > $ sudo bash > to get a root prompt. ... > Why? OK, I'm really weak on the whole concept of ssh and X, but it looks like that "sudo bash" command. Don't do that :-( "sudo -i" gives you a root _login_ shell. "sudo bash" (or "sudo -s") gives you root permissions but all of your environment is set for "bob". This invariably causes problems - and mostly with X apps. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 13:13:36 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:13:36 -0400 Subject: KVM In-Reply-To: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <200809250913.41789.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 25 September 2008 8:25:57 am Peter Klaassen wrote: > Will KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) work on a Intel Core 2 Duo? Some, not all. > When I run KVM a terminal opens full with digits that shuffle and > finally disappear? ...and the question is? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Sep 25 13:11:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:11:01 -0300 Subject: Konqueror problems References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <9058723.vf4nWaP4ma@cedar.serverforest.com> Alain Muls wrote: > Some time ago, there was a animated discussion about konqueror being THE > KDE application that could be used for everything and that it would be far > superior than eg Dolphin (I use the KDE4.1 version). > > I decided to try both. > I quite like Dolphin and its "mac finder"-like column view, but I find > that it crashes all together too often (crashes due to going up in the > directory for several levels at one, or when a refresh of current > directory is needed). Since Konqueror was so applauded, I decided to try > it out for file management and web browsing. > > In file management, the column view behaves exactly the same as in Dolphin > and the exact same crashes are experienced. I suppose both applications > use the same code. They should. File management is part of Dolphin, and KDE's use of kparts should ensure that konqueror will always use the same part. It's disappointing though - I really hoped this business would be fixed. Try doing a "find" in konqueror, and then clicking on any of the files before the last one has been found... Essentially anything that causes Konqueror (and presumably Dolphin) to migrate away from a page that hasn't yet been completely updated, causes a crash. > > In web browsing, I found Konqueror lacking the ability to auto-detect the > proxy settings, which is handled correctly by firefox. works for me. > Also, when I open a > link from a feed in kontact, I often get an error that konqueror is unable > to display the html page since its render engine died, needing a restart. I've never seen that - I hope it isn't a new bug in KDE4. > Moreover Konqueror does not display pages correctly displayed by firefox. Konqueror often doesn't display invalid HTML. That's nuts, but that's the way it's intended. Otherwise, the only thing I know it won't do is open "javascript:" links, which it should... otoh, there are _many_ pages that Konqueror won't open because the page's _author_ decides not to support unusual browsers. That's just bad programming - on the HTML author's part, not konqueror's developers - and there's nothing much we can do about it. > This makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, or am I doing > something wrong? I thought you said you read the animated discussion? :-) We love it because it can do so many things that Firefox can't, because it's integrated with KDE. The day Firefox supports kio_slaves, I may well stop using Konqueror. -- derek From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Sep 25 14:19:41 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:19:41 +0100 Subject: Graphics cards Message-ID: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> Can anyone remind me please how to check which graphics card my computer is using? Thanks. (Kubuntu Gutsy). A second question - the manufacturer I hear most mentioned is nvidia. Is this the best one for us Linux users? TIA Neil Winchurst From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 25 14:21:05 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:21:05 -0500 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> On 09/25/2008 Alain Muls wrote: > This makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, Konqueror is/was the "Swiss Army Knife" of KDE. And, you know how people love their Swiss Army Knife. Try to take it away from them, or change it, and they will fight you. Being fairly new to Linux/KDE [ just couple years now ] I was originally struck with how much Konqueror "looked" like Windows Explorer in file manager mode. [ I don't know which came first, Konqueror or Explorer but have my suspicions ] When Dolphin first showed up on my desktop I was kind of wondering why, but soon learned that for a light weight file manager it does it's job quite well. I like it as well. I can do some things intuitively in Dolphin that I didn't see how to do in Konqueror. I use 8.04/3.5.10 so don't know much about Dolphin and Konqueror in 4.1 but I can't recall ever having Dolphin having an issue. Perhaps I just haven't pushed it hard enough yet. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Thu Sep 25 14:33:42 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:33:42 +0200 Subject: ssh -X and sudo: permission mayhem In-Reply-To: <200809250852.46365.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200809250756.41373.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200809250852.46365.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200809251633.42588.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2008 08:52:46 schrieb Nils Kassube: > Dexter Filmore wrote: > > $ ssh -X user at bob > > then *on* bob ran > > > > $ sudo bash > > # konsole > > Don't do that - root may steal some of the user's config files. Install > package gksu on the remote machine and use "gksu konsole" instead of "sudo > bash". Unfortunately you can't use the intended KDE program for your > remote application because kdesu is broken: > > Thanks for the info. How come this never happened when using sudo bash locally? -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From kassube at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 14:43:10 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:43:10 +0200 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> References: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809251643.10036.kassube@gmx.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Can anyone remind me please how to check which graphics card my > computer is using? Thanks. (Kubuntu Gutsy). Usually you can find out with the command lspci in a terminal. Look for something like "VGA compatible controller". > A second question - the manufacturer I hear most mentioned is nvidia. > Is this the best one for us Linux users? Depends on what you call "best". Personally I prefer onboard Intel graphics because Intel supports open source drivers. But if that is no option, I prefer Nvidia because IMHO their drivers are much better than the ATI drivers. However, ATI is moving towards open source drivers for their new cards - check the availability of drivers first if you want to buy a new ATI card. Nils From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 14:44:13 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:44:13 +0300 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/25/2008 Alain Muls wrote: >> This makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, > > Konqueror is/was the "Swiss Army Knife" of KDE. And, you know how people > love their Swiss Army Knife. Try to take it away from them, or change > it, and they will fight you. > > Being fairly new to Linux/KDE [ just couple years now ] I was > originally struck with how much Konqueror "looked" like Windows Explorer > in file manager mode. [ I don't know which came first, Konqueror or > Explorer but have my suspicions ] When Dolphin first showed up on my > desktop I was kind of wondering why, but soon learned that for a light > weight file manager it does it's job quite well. I like it as well. I > can do some things intuitively in Dolphin that I didn't see how to do in > Konqueror. > > I use 8.04/3.5.10 so don't know much about Dolphin and Konqueror in 4.1 > but I can't recall ever having Dolphin having an issue. Perhaps I just > haven't pushed it hard enough yet. > i can't say that either dolphin or konqueror are lightweight in KDE4. they are both waaaay too sluggish, even with desktop effects turned off. clicking a menu needs around 3~4 seconds, and I'm talking about a 3.0 GHz CPU with hyper threading, and 1.5 GiB of RAM! in KDE 3.5, konqueror was blazing fast, even dolphin, but still, i found konqueror faster and more responsive than dolphin! but here i KDE4, file management simply sucks on both of them, forcing me o resort to dear old konsole for most of my file management. even browsing directories through other programs, like Kate's "save as" dialog, is just too slow. and i hate how now konqueror and dolphin uses this stupid vista like selection method of clicking a plus sign on a file when i need to select multiple files! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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On mercredi 24 septembre 2008, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wednesday 24 September 2008 3:32:09 pm Pascal Francq wrote: > > Hi, > > I have just buy a iPod Shuffle 1 Gb. I plug-it in, Amarok recognize it > > and I could copy some mp3 files on it. > > My problem is that the iPod does not charge (I can charge a iPod Video > > without any problem): the orange light is always blinking. I have seen a > > lot of comments on the Internet explaining that the iPod seems to wait a > > synchronization with iTunes (which I do not have of course). Anyone has > > an idea on how to charge it ,without to buy some accessory to charge from > > the sector ;-) > > Thanks. > > I have not tried this with the newest iPod shuffles, but the older ones > (that look like a pack of chewing gum) charge, even when they are showing > blinking orange. Try giving it a bit more time for charging. When fully > charged, the light stays on, and blinks while charging. Don't remember the > color. -- Dr. Ir. 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Is > this the best one for us Linux users? > > TIA > > Neil Winchurst > > > Dear Neil, I have seen your name posted so many times, I hope you will help me with the answer to a question that got nothing but abusive answers when asked before. I have been monitoring email from this source for a couple of years now. I have occasionally been able to help someone, however I am a beginner and don't know how to use Kubuntu very well. I have used the return address shown at the top of the email when I open to read its contints and looked for an instruction for how to post a question. An example of a question is how do I get a link on an email to open my browser automatically without having to copy and paste the link from the email to the browser? I have a few questions that I have never seen a post on that I would like to know, however, as stated, I don't know how to make a post. Please be kind enough to tell me how you enter your questions so that I too may receive some help? Thanks for any trouble you may go to, Steven Vollom From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Sep 25 15:12:27 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:12:27 -0400 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> References: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809251112.27423.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 25 September 2008, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Can anyone remind me please how to check which graphics card my computer > is using? Thanks. (Kubuntu Gutsy). > > A second question - the manufacturer I hear most mentioned is nvidia. Is > this the best one for us Linux users? > > TIA I've been using Nvidia cards in my (4 yr?) old computers. I guess there are onboard graphics on these boards but have always shied away from them in the past. I used to like ATI but they don't really support things as well and use software drivers too much when hardware could do the job better. I used the NV proprietary drivers from their web site and haven't had any problems. But......... another caveat is that unless you really need high-powered graphics, try to find a card that doesn't have a fan on it. There are many out there. I have come to believe that fans and other mechanical things are the biggest reliability concerns for desktop computers. From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Sep 25 15:12:41 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:12:41 +0100 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <200809251643.10036.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> <200809251643.10036.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48DBAA69.9030001@drofle.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: >> Can anyone remind me please how to check which graphics card my >> computer is using? Thanks. (Kubuntu Gutsy). > > Usually you can find out with the command > > lspci > Many thanks. I did that and the result was .. VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] rev a4) So now I know. Can I assume that my graphics card driver is up to date or is it possible that I could improve speed etc by upgrading it? And if so it that easy or should I leave well alone? Thanks for your help Neil From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 15:14:26 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:14:26 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu and iPod Shuffle In-Reply-To: <200809251646.32132.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> References: <200809242132.12343.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> <200809241551.15475.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809251646.32132.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <200809251114.31288.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 25 September 2008 10:46:23 am Pascal Francq wrote: > I have try to charge it during 8 hours (the double as necessary), and it > seems that it still does not charge. When I start the iPod, the light turn > green during 2-3 seconds (without any sound) and then it stops. I can only go by personal experience. If you have a friend with a Mac or WinPC, you can try plugging it in there, just to see. If it is still not charging, it could be a battery problem. I bought a Memorex charger (for travel) from a convenience store for about $15. Because the Shuffles are USB-only, I had to also buy an iPod to USB converter, for probably less than $10. Works well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Sep 25 15:23:56 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:23:56 +0100 Subject: Graphics cards In-Reply-To: <48DBA56D.10505@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DB9DFD.1040907@drofle.com> <48DBA56D.10505@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DBAD0C.4000906@drofle.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: >> Can anyone remind me please how to check which graphics card my computer >> is using? Thanks. (Kubuntu Gutsy). >> >> A second question - the manufacturer I hear most mentioned is nvidia. Is >> this the best one for us Linux users? >> >> TIA >> >> Neil Winchurst >> >> >> > Dear Neil, > I have seen your name posted so many times, I hope you will help me with > the answer to a question that got nothing but abusive answers when asked > before. > > I have been monitoring email from this source for a couple of years > now. I have occasionally been able to help someone, however I am a > beginner and don't know how to use Kubuntu very well. > > I have used the return address shown at the top of the email when I open > to read its contints and looked for an instruction for how to post a > question. An example of a question is how do I get a link on an email > to open my browser automatically without having to copy and paste the > link from the email to the browser? > > I have a few questions that I have never seen a post on that I would > like to know, however, as stated, I don't know how to make a post. > > Please be kind enough to tell me how you enter your questions so that I > too may receive some help? Thanks for any trouble you may go to, > > Steven Vollom > Well, you must be a list member if you have been receiving emails, but I suppose you mean that you have always replied to emails and not ever set up a new question of your own. So, write a new email To: kubutu-users at lists.ubuntu.com and put something relevant in the Subject slot. The email should then be sent to all list members, including you, and any replies should show up on your email client. I hope that I have understood your request for help Neil From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:39:57 2008 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:39:57 -0400 Subject: Troubles with Amaya Message-ID: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> In looking around for an html editor I decided to try Amaya and pulled it down with synaptic. But when executing applications->development->amaya I merely got a screen flash and then nothing. When doing a command line: gie at charon:~$ amaya 12:19:26 PM: Deleted stale lock file '/home/gie/.amaya_bin-gie'. Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". FATAL ERROR : Your OpenGL implementation does not support needed features! Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". *** Amaya: Irrecoverable error ***Segmentation fault Searching synaptic for GLX yields tons of result and loads of confusion. Suggestions, please! Thank-you. Or, lastly, is there a better html editor and should I scrap this path? -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Thu Sep 25 16:45:45 2008 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:45:45 -0400 Subject: KVM In-Reply-To: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48DBC039.1040305@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Klaassen wrote: > Will KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) work on a Intel Core 2 Duo? Quite likely, but --- for KVM you need Intel's VT enabled: 1. 'vmx' should be available among CPU flags: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vmx 2. VT must also be enabled in BIOS. > When I run KVM a terminal opens full with digits that shuffle and > finally disappear? Not sure how/what do you run... Sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjbwDkACgkQejaFVltl6E+AIwCgtK8UpSKyEArBiqHIzA+mTVRA u98Anj9O8U+J6B6UD5v4YUdoN93+gnbR =dZPQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:54:51 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:54:51 +0300 Subject: Troubles with Amaya In-Reply-To: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DBC25B.3000704@gmail.com> Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > In looking around for an html editor I decided to try Amaya and pulled it down > with synaptic. But when executing applications->development->amaya I merely > got a screen flash and then nothing. When doing a command line: > > gie at charon:~$ amaya > 12:19:26 PM: Deleted stale lock file '/home/gie/.amaya_bin-gie'. > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > FATAL ERROR : Your OpenGL implementation does not support needed features! > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > *** Amaya: Irrecoverable error ***Segmentation fault > > Searching synaptic for GLX yields tons of result and loads of confusion. > > Suggestions, please! > > Thank-you. > > Or, lastly, is there a better html editor and should I scrap this path? > glx? it looks like you need a glx graphics driver :S either amaya needs such a driver, which is weird for an html editor, or i'm mistaken. i use kompozer for html editing, similar to nvu on windoze, and it quite serves my simple html needs. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 17:12:39 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:12:39 +0200 Subject: Troubles with Amaya In-Reply-To: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809251912.39507.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 25 September 2008 18:39:57 Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > Or, lastly, is there a better html editor and should I scrap this path? I like "Quanta" -- it's in the repos. But nothing really beats just doing it by hand in a text file and keeping some reference open in another window. Amaya is hardcore and confusing at best. \d From spwhite at freesurf.ch Thu Sep 25 17:10:56 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:10:56 +0200 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: References: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809251910.57438.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 24 September 2008 19:45, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > OK perhaps I was being a bit harsh, But it felt harsh to me. It seams > like all control settings are going to be primarily made with the rodent > in hand. Which annoys me a bit because I lack some of the hand/eye/screen > coordination needed to use the dang thing well. I do a little better with > track balls but even then it's usually easier for me to type 30 or forty > words than to get the gosh durned rodent accurately pointed at anything I > need to click on. (and that's not to say I consider myself a typist... If > it weren't for spell check, even I wouldn't know what I typed most of the > time...) Joe, I have a feeling you have past the point where a computer novice gets lost when the mouse reaches the edge of the table before the pointer reaches its target (very funny). Also using shortcuts instead of mouse is good practice. Still there are cases where the easyest way is to move the pointer or focus. I don't know what applies in your case but I would consider: 1) "Ball" mice may not roll smoothly, sometimes they need cleaning (not just the ball as manufacturer tell, but the shafts it rools against) 2) Settings for the mouse may be adapted to your needs (speed, acceleration) 3) Tabulator and arrows (up, down, left, right), in conjunction with other keys (alt, shift, ctrl...) may change the focus... sorry, can't tell you all the details because *I* rather use the mouse than remember this stuff. 4) It is even possible to move the pointer anywhere without a mouse, I just don't remember how :0( I hope some of this can help you, but you may have had a necessity to learn all this much better than I. As a sidenote, for a seamless integration of your mails in this list, since you talk about spell checkers and you appear (I don't want to use the word "seam" ;0) ) to use this very word "seam" quite often, I will advise you not to trust your spell checker (it doe's not spell the end of things :P because of a spell casted on all primitive spell checkers so that they are unable to take the context into account to flag out a correctly spelled world that shouldn't belong here) on that world and use "seem" or "appear" instead. Your wife may use the word "seam" if she is a dressmaker or she does some sewing. YMMV ;P Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #247: Due to Federal Budget problems we have been forced to cut back on the number of users able to access the system at one time (namely none allowed....) From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 25 17:11:36 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:11:36 -0500 Subject: Troubles with Amaya In-Reply-To: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200809251239.57069.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DBC648.9010700@swbell.net> Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > In looking around for an html editor I decided to try Amaya and pulled it down > with synaptic. But when executing applications->development->amaya I merely > got a screen flash and then nothing. When doing a command line: > > gie at charon:~$ amaya > 12:19:26 PM: Deleted stale lock file '/home/gie/.amaya_bin-gie'. > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > FATAL ERROR : Your OpenGL implementation does not support needed features! > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". > *** Amaya: Irrecoverable error ***Segmentation fault > > Searching synaptic for GLX yields tons of result and loads of confusion. > > Suggestions, please! > > Thank-you. > > Or, lastly, is there a better html editor and should I scrap this path? > > Quanta+ KompoZer Then you have: Open Office Koffice Kate Kwrite NVU [ not in development any longer ] -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 17:28:23 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:28:23 -0400 Subject: System Information Message-ID: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to system information, I believe. Is there something like that in Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 17:38:10 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:38:10 +0300 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DBCC82.9090309@gmail.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used > Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, > memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system > information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an > Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to > system information, I believe. Is there something like that in > Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven > i don't know if this gives you enough info about your system, but you can try kinfocenter , either press alt-f2 and type it, or from a terminal. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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'vmx' should be available among CPU flags would the AMD flag be the same? I have two new Dells, one Intel and one AMD, and I am not seeing it on either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 17:48:28 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:48:28 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 25 September 2008 1:28:23 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used > Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, > memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system > information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an > Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to > system information, I believe. Is there something like that in > Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven Try sudo dmidecode I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it is universal or Dell specific. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Thu Sep 25 17:52:19 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:52:19 +0100 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DBCFD3.3030700@yahoo.it> Steven Vollom wrote: > I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used > Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, > memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system > information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an > Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to > system information, I believe. Is there something like that in > Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven > About memory, I found this site (www.crucial.com) to be quite informative. For yopur model, http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Evo%20Notebook%20N620c%20Series&pl=HP%20-%20Compaq&cat=RAM it says max memory is 2 gb, 2 slot for DDR PC2700, max 1 GB each (SODIMM 200 pin). For other information, have a look at dmesg, lsusb, lspci (I'm no expert in these fields but someone else on the list is). HTH, I. From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Thu Sep 25 17:53:55 2008 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:53:55 -0400 Subject: KVM In-Reply-To: <200809251346.01685.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48DBC039.1040305@math.dartmouth.edu> <200809251346.01685.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48DBD033.60008@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2008 12:45:45 pm Sarunas Burdulis wrote: >>> Will KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) work on a Intel Core 2 Duo? >> Quite likely, but --- for KVM you need Intel's VT enabled: >> >> 1. 'vmx' should be available among CPU flags > > would the AMD flag be the same? No, for AMD's Pacifica technology it's 'svm'. Sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjb0DMACgkQejaFVltl6E/vJQCgqlSHeJl6sIFc1b0Be3Du+TiZ Y/wAoJza4SfB9jFnjDBWFT+MlHwRjhEB =bBL2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Sep 25 18:12:11 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:12:11 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809251412.11948.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 25 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used > Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, > memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system > information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an > Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to > system information, I believe. Is there something like that in > Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven You will probably have to load this program but it is excellent. sudo apt-get install hwinfo Then hwinfo -h to learn the options. (lots of them) or just hwinfo alone which will show you lots of info about your hardware. (too much all at once) For instance, to learn about your graphics card: hwinfo --gfxcard From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Thu Sep 25 18:15:01 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:15:01 -0400 Subject: [intrepid alpha6] undefined kernal keycodes | + error Message-ID: I recently decided to check out intrepid alpha 6 and through it kde4. I can't say I like everything. But I'm beginning to think I could get used to it (with a few workarounds in-place)... However as a user who has MUCH greater difficulty using the mouse than the keyboard being unable to pop up the menu with + is a serious issue. Somebody kindly pointed me at some known bugs and I did my best to follow the listed workarounds There were two workarounds that I saw for this kind of problem. 1)was a reference to "System/Preferences/Keyboard" which I eventually found out was the gnome equivalent of KDE's "System Settings -> Regional & Language-> Keyboard Layout" which I set to "Evdev-managed keyboard" This didn't seam to have any effect until I also did the other workaround... 2)"dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" Where I also selected the Evdev-managed keyboard and then answered several configuration questions where I mostly accepted the default answers... When it was done asking, the console screen filled up with output including a warning about some undefined kernel keycodes ( specifically: 213 218 220 223 225 227 229 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 ) I don't know how significant these are but after I ran dpkg-reconfigure, I rebooted and quickly found out that + Still doesn't pop up anything. I note that the only place in the keyboard shortcut settings I could find a reference to anything that looked like it might be the pop-up kmenu was the action listed under Plasma as "Application Launcher" which was already set to +. I'm not completely sure that the "Application Launcher" is the kmenu, but even if it's some other method of launching applications, the + key combination should still do something... I also noticed that that it seams that some of the cursor and paging keys don't work in this configuration... That is the ones built into the keypad work fine ( as long as numlock is off of course... ) But 5 of the gray keys to the left of it for page up, page down, left, right, & up don't work. (there could be more but that's all I noticed so far)... Should I be concerned about the undefined kernel keycodes ?? Are they likely the reason + doesn't work? what do I gotta do to get them defined? What else should I try to get + to actually pop-open the K-menu? Thanks -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:17:04 2008 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:17:04 -0400 Subject: And now it is Quanta Message-ID: <200809251417.04599.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> On one suggestion I tried quanta. It loads OK with a bunch of warnings about missing applications for full functionality BUT the reference sidebar is almost all worthless. For example: tag html->forms->button and you get: "An error occurred while loading file:///usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/docbook/ref-element.html: The file or folder /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/docbook/ref-element.html does not exist." Looking at /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc I find four broken symbolic links: css, docbook, html and php. I did some 'find's for the base names of the reference htmls but nothing is under /usr/share. Any ideas, please. Thanks in advance. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 18:39:05 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:39:05 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCFD3.3030700@yahoo.it> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <48DBCFD3.3030700@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48DBDAC9.3050009@sbcglobal.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >> >> > > About memory, I found this site (www.crucial.com) to be quite > informative. For yopur model, > http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Evo%20Notebook%20N620c%20Series&pl=HP%20-%20Compaq&cat=RAM > > it says max memory is 2 gb, 2 slot for DDR PC2700, max 1 GB each (SODIMM > 200 pin). > > For other information, have a look at dmesg, lsusb, lspci (I'm no expert > in these fields but someone else on the list is). > HTH, > I. > > Thank you very much. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 18:40:33 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:40:33 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <200809251412.11948.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251412.11948.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48DBDB21.6020707@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >> > > You will probably have to load this program but it is excellent. > > sudo apt-get install hwinfo > > > Then > > hwinfo -h > > to learn the options. (lots of them) or just hwinfo alone which will show > you lots of info about your hardware. (too much all at once) > > For instance, to learn about your graphics card: > > hwinfo --gfxcard > > Thanks Bruce. I am so inexperienced. Your help was wonderful. Steven Vollom From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 18:44:31 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:44:31 -0400 Subject: KVM In-Reply-To: <48DBD033.60008@math.dartmouth.edu> References: <200809251425.57189.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200809251346.01685.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DBD033.60008@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <200809251444.36129.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 25 September 2008 1:53:55 pm Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > > would the AMD flag be the same? > > No, for AMD's Pacifica technology it's 'svm'. Thanks appears to be disabled in the BIOS, and no way to enable (Dell 740 Enhanced). Doesn't seem very enhanced to me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Thu Sep 25 19:30:20 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:30:20 +0100 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200809252030.20540.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Thursday 25 September 2008 18:48:28 Art Alexion wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2008 1:28:23 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used > > Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, > > memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system > > information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an > > Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to > > system information, I believe. Is there something like that in > > Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven > > Try > > sudo dmidecode > > I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it is > universal or Dell specific. Doesn't seem to be specific to Dell as I've had output from Gigabyte and MSI motherboards. Also, I didn't have to install it as it was already there. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 19:33:52 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:33:52 +0200 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 09/25/2008 Alain Muls wrote: >>> This makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, >> >> Konqueror is/was the "Swiss Army Knife" of KDE. And, you know how people >> love their Swiss Army Knife. Try to take it away from them, or change >> it, and they will fight you. >> >> Being fairly new to Linux/KDE [ just couple years now ] I was >> originally struck with how much Konqueror "looked" like Windows Explorer >> in file manager mode. [ I don't know which came first, Konqueror or >> Explorer but have my suspicions ] When Dolphin first showed up on my >> desktop I was kind of wondering why, but soon learned that for a light >> weight file manager it does it's job quite well. I like it as well. I >> can do some things intuitively in Dolphin that I didn't see how to do in >> Konqueror. >> >> I use 8.04/3.5.10 so don't know much about Dolphin and Konqueror in 4.1 >> but I can't recall ever having Dolphin having an issue. Perhaps I just >> haven't pushed it hard enough yet. >> > > i can't say that either dolphin or konqueror are lightweight in KDE4. > they are both waaaay too sluggish, even with desktop effects turned off. > clicking a menu needs around 3~4 seconds, and I'm talking about a 3.0 > GHz CPU with hyper threading, and 1.5 GiB of RAM! in KDE 3.5, konqueror > was blazing fast, even dolphin, but still, i found konqueror faster and > more responsive than dolphin! but here i KDE4, file management simply > sucks on both of them, forcing me o resort to dear old konsole for most > of my file management. even browsing directories through other programs, > like Kate's "save as" dialog, is just too slow. and i hate how now > konqueror and dolphin uses this stupid vista like selection method of > clicking a plus sign on a file when i need to select multiple files! > > -- > Willy K. Hamra Man, all this makes me NEVER want to switch to KDE 4!! Is it true that 8.10 will only have kde 4 and thus I will be forced to use Dolphine?? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 19:50:40 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:50:40 +0300 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DBEB90.8020208@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> On 09/25/2008 Alain Muls wrote: >>>> This makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, >>> Konqueror is/was the "Swiss Army Knife" of KDE. And, you know how people >>> love their Swiss Army Knife. Try to take it away from them, or change >>> it, and they will fight you. >>> >>> Being fairly new to Linux/KDE [ just couple years now ] I was >>> originally struck with how much Konqueror "looked" like Windows Explorer >>> in file manager mode. [ I don't know which came first, Konqueror or >>> Explorer but have my suspicions ] When Dolphin first showed up on my >>> desktop I was kind of wondering why, but soon learned that for a light >>> weight file manager it does it's job quite well. I like it as well. I >>> can do some things intuitively in Dolphin that I didn't see how to do in >>> Konqueror. >>> >>> I use 8.04/3.5.10 so don't know much about Dolphin and Konqueror in 4.1 >>> but I can't recall ever having Dolphin having an issue. Perhaps I just >>> haven't pushed it hard enough yet. >>> >> i can't say that either dolphin or konqueror are lightweight in KDE4. >> they are both waaaay too sluggish, even with desktop effects turned off. >> clicking a menu needs around 3~4 seconds, and I'm talking about a 3.0 >> GHz CPU with hyper threading, and 1.5 GiB of RAM! in KDE 3.5, konqueror >> was blazing fast, even dolphin, but still, i found konqueror faster and >> more responsive than dolphin! but here i KDE4, file management simply >> sucks on both of them, forcing me o resort to dear old konsole for most >> of my file management. even browsing directories through other programs, >> like Kate's "save as" dialog, is just too slow. and i hate how now >> konqueror and dolphin uses this stupid vista like selection method of >> clicking a plus sign on a file when i need to select multiple files! >> >> -- >> Willy K. Hamra > > Man, all this makes me NEVER want to switch to KDE 4!! Is it true that > 8.10 will only have kde 4 and thus I will be forced to use Dolphine?? > > > the last time i checked, the devs were saying it's going to be hard to let KDE3 be installable in 8.10 since the default directories for KDE4 are no longer .kde4, but rather .kde , which means more work on KDE3 packages for intrepid, which they're trying to avoid. so in short, don't let your hopes high for KDE3 in intrepid. if you want KDE3, stick to hardy, it's LTS and won't go stale for a while now, there is really no need to upgrade to intrepid if you're looking for hardy's stability. so far, i've tried feisty, gutsy, hardy, and now intrepid. and to be honest, hardy is the best version i've seen so far, most of the instabilities i witnesses in previous versions are gone, and it's constantly updated will programs and desktop environments to the moment, and will continue to. if you're not the type of ppl who want bleeding edge software, no matter how unstable they are, then seriously, stick to hardy, it's the best there is. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rick_knight at rlknight.com Thu Sep 25 19:51:05 2008 From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:51:05 -0700 Subject: VNC on Kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: <48DBEBA9.10404@rlknight.com> Hello, I'm trying to run vncserver on one of my machines. I've looked at several howto and they all suggest using xinet.d to start and stop the vnc server. My problem is, when I use the xinet.d method all I get when I connect to the server is a gray screen with the X11 X mouse pointer. When I start the server at the command line with $vncserver it works fine. It seems when I use xinet.d the server can't find xstartup and gives just a plain X window. I would prefer to use xinet.d if I can get it working. Anyone have a solution? Thanks, Rick From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 20:08:04 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:08:04 +0200 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <48DBEB90.8020208@gmail.com> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> <48DBEB90.8020208@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Man, all this makes me NEVER want to switch to KDE 4!! Is it true that >> 8.10 will only have kde 4 and thus I will be forced to use Dolphine?? >> >> >> > > the last time i checked, the devs were saying it's going to be hard to > let KDE3 be installable in 8.10 since the default directories for KDE4 > are no longer .kde4, but rather .kde , which means more work on KDE3 > packages for intrepid, which they're trying to avoid. so in short, don't > let your hopes high for KDE3 in intrepid. if you want KDE3, stick to > hardy, it's LTS and won't go stale for a while now, there is really no > need to upgrade to intrepid if you're looking for hardy's stability. > so far, i've tried feisty, gutsy, hardy, and now intrepid. and to be > honest, hardy is the best version i've seen so far, most of the > instabilities i witnesses in previous versions are gone, and it's > constantly updated will programs and desktop environments to the moment, > and will continue to. if you're not the type of ppl who want bleeding > edge software, no matter how unstable they are, then seriously, stick to > hardy, it's the best there is. > > -- > Willy K. Hamra Bleeding edge for me is all in the 3d graphics department and I don't see that being a problem. On the other hand I have always upgraded but perhaps my upgrade to hardy will be my last for some time. I have heard nothing about KDE 4 that makes me think of it as being ready for the real world. It is really crazy of them to force Dolphine on people when it is not yet stable and to make Konq use Dolphine as the file browser makes me feel mad. This is the first time I have ever felt that way about *Ubuntu. I remember feeling like that about Madrake right before it flopped. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 20:08:05 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:08:05 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem Message-ID: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help please. Steven Vollom From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 20:10:21 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:10:21 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <200809252030.20540.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809252030.20540.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <48DBF02D.7040700@sbcglobal.net> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2008 18:48:28 Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Thursday 25 September 2008 1:28:23 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >>> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >>> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >>> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >>> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >>> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >>> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >>> >> Try >> >> sudo dmidecode >> >> I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it is >> universal or Dell specific. >> > > Doesn't seem to be specific to Dell as I've had output from Gigabyte and MSI > motherboards. Also, I didn't have to install it as it was already there. > > Thank you Mark. I was able to get a lot of information that I wanted. Other replies to my problem have provided additional information that differs from what your code provides. I still don't have a motherboard identity. Thanks again for your kind help. By the way, it is not Dell specific. From kassube at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 20:10:35 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:10:35 +0200 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809252210.35104.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > Man, all this makes me NEVER want to switch to KDE 4!! Is it true that > 8.10 will only have kde 4 and thus I will be forced to use Dolphine?? Yes, Intrepid only has KDE4 and it is impossible to uninstall dolphin without uninstalling many other applications. Maybe you can avoid dolphin if you adjust default applications, but I didn't try that. Instead I try to get familiar with Xubuntu - just in case I even don't like KDE4 when it is finished. Nils From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Thu Sep 25 20:50:02 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:50:02 -0400 Subject: how can I change Krusader's font size in KDE??? Message-ID: I recently discovered the Krusader file manager, It's the first time I've ever encountered a gui file manager that I could stand for more than a few minutes. (I usually use mc in a konsole) I think I like it. But I have a slight problem with the font used to display the filenames etc... I need it just a little larger. (bad eyes) {My reading glasses are no good for video displays because my eyes start to water and I soon get a headache} First I looked in it's internal Settings menu, But while I could change the font colors, I didn't find anything to change the font size... Then I tried going to the control center and one at a time doubling the font size in each of the 7 font categories from General to Desktop, clicking on apply switching to a Krusader session, And looking for the change... I know I can affect the menus But I can't find a setting that has any effect on the size or style of font used inside the panels where the filenames are displayed... Is there a way to change that font size??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From jferrando at netplc.com Thu Sep 25 20:51:59 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:51:59 +0200 Subject: VNC on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48DBEBA9.10404@rlknight.com> References: <48DBEBA9.10404@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <48DBF9EF.5010606@netplc.com> Hi Rick, This is how it works for me, vnc server 'windows stype', starts up with kde3. 1) Install the package x11vnc: $ sudo aptitide install x11vnc 2) Install the package vnc-common: $ sudo aptitude install vnc-common 3) Create a vnc password: $ vncpasswd 4) Edit /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup and add: /usr/bin/x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -bg -o /var/log/x11vnc.log -rfbauth /home/your_user_name/.vnc/passwd Good luck Rick Knight escribió: > Hello, > > I'm trying to run vncserver on one of my machines. I've looked at > several howto and they all suggest using xinet.d to start and stop the > vnc server. My problem is, when I use the xinet.d method all I get when > I connect to the server is a gray screen with the X11 X mouse pointer. > When I start the server at the command line with $vncserver it works > fine. It seems when I use xinet.d the server can't find xstartup and > gives just a plain X window. I would prefer to use xinet.d if I can get > it working. Anyone have a solution? > > Thanks, > Rick > > From jferrando at netplc.com Thu Sep 25 20:52:08 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:52:08 +0200 Subject: VNC on Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48DBEBA9.10404@rlknight.com> References: <48DBEBA9.10404@rlknight.com> Message-ID: <48DBF9F8.9000700@netplc.com> Hi Rick, This is how it works for me, vnc server 'windows stype', starts up with kde3. 1) Install the package x11vnc: $ sudo aptitide install x11vnc 2) Install the package vnc-common: $ sudo aptitude install vnc-common 3) Create a vnc password: $ vncpasswd 4) Edit /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup and add: /usr/bin/x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -bg -o /var/log/x11vnc.log -rfbauth /home/your_user_name/.vnc/passwd Good luck Rick Knight escribió: > Hello, > > I'm trying to run vncserver on one of my machines. I've looked at > several howto and they all suggest using xinet.d to start and stop the > vnc server. My problem is, when I use the xinet.d method all I get when > I connect to the server is a gray screen with the X11 X mouse pointer. > When I start the server at the command line with $vncserver it works > fine. It seems when I use xinet.d the server can't find xstartup and > gives just a plain X window. I would prefer to use xinet.d if I can get > it working. Anyone have a solution? > > Thanks, > Rick > > From tycho at tycho.ws Thu Sep 25 21:23:56 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:23:56 -0500 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > however when I attempt to send an email, a window > opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password > an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an > unable to connect to the server also. It strikes me that if you can receive but not send, you probably have the outgoing SMTP information configured incorrectly (probably typo or something). Check and make sure the outgoing SMTP information for your laptop's Thunderbird matches your desktop's. Tycho From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Sep 25 21:39:58 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:39:58 -0500 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the > email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE > 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my > DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well > as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window > opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password > an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an > unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from > att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail > program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft > or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird > on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but > cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help > please. > > Steven Vollom > > I know this is a stupid suggestion BUT quadruple check your outgoing mail server settings [ smtp.att.yahoo.com ]. Also security setting. Whenever I've had that problem that's what I find. Usually I have hit comma instead of period. Find that after I've pulled out a few handfulls of hair. Isn't it just swell that so many people just refuse to help if your not a Microsofty. Actually, most of those people on the help line couldn't change their mind if it wasn't on their computer screen. All they know is what comes up after they punch in the issue. Click the "Yes/No" buttons to get to the next screen. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From paul at lemmons.name Thu Sep 25 22:02:32 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:02:32 -0700 Subject: And now it is Quanta In-Reply-To: <200809251417.04599.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200809251417.04599.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DC0A78.2050909@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: And now it is Quanta From: "Gerald I. Evenden" To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 09/25/2008 11:17 AM > On one suggestion I tried quanta. It loads OK with a bunch of warnings about > missing applications for full functionality BUT the reference sidebar is > almost all worthless. For example: tag html->forms->button and you get: > > "An error occurred while loading > file:///usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/docbook/ref-element.html: > The file or folder /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/docbook/ref-element.html does not exist." > > Looking at /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc I find four broken symbolic links: css, > docbook, html and php. > > I did some 'find's for the base names of the reference htmls but nothing is > under /usr/share. > > Any ideas, please. > > Thanks in advance. > > This is a problem specific to Kubuntu and nobody has, as of yet, addressed it. The solution is not difficult: $ sudo su - # cd /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc # rm -rf css* # rm -rf html* # rm -rf php* # rm -rf docbook* # ^D $ Open quanta and then right click in the documentation panel. Click on "Download Documentation". Select the doc's that are interesting to you and install them. Non of the documentation is signed with a key so you will get a warning. You can accept the warning or not it is up to you. If you want the documentation you will have to accept. Now you have documentation. P.S. If you are not comfortable removing the files you can move the instead. eg: ... ... # mkdir /home/me/quantadoc # mv css* /home/me/quantadoc ... ... -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've looked at >> several howto and they all suggest using xinet.d to start and stop the >> vnc server. My problem is, when I use the xinet.d method all I get when >> I connect to the server is a gray screen with the X11 X mouse pointer. >> When I start the server at the command line with $vncserver it works >> fine. It seems when I use xinet.d the server can't find xstartup and >> gives just a plain X window. I would prefer to use xinet.d if I can get >> it working. Anyone have a solution? >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >> >> > > > Thanks Jordi, That helped. I was also able to get x11vnc to run as a service and connect to it without the gray screen. I would like to be able to start a second X session though. Does anyone know how to use the x11vnc -create option to create a new X session? Thanks, Rick From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Sep 25 22:52:07 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:52:07 -0700 Subject: how can I change Krusader's font size in KDE??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809251552.08057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 25 September 2008 1:50:02 pm Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > I recently discovered the Krusader file manager, It's the first time > I've ever encountered a gui file manager that I could stand for more > than a few minutes. It reminds me very much of DirMaster or DOpus for Amiga. Maybe not quite as nice or as fast but very useful just the same > Is there a way to change that font size??? Sure, in Krusader go to "Settings", then "Configure Krusader", then to "Look and Feel" then to the Panel tab and set your panel font! From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 23:12:28 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:12:28 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> Tycho Andersen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: > >> however when I attempt to send an email, a window >> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password >> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an >> unable to connect to the server also. >> > > It strikes me that if you can receive but not send, you probably have > the outgoing SMTP information configured incorrectly (probably typo or > something). Check and make sure the outgoing SMTP information for your > laptop's Thunderbird matches your desktop's. > > Tycho > > Dear Tycho, I took a serious look at each letter and punctuation mark. They are exactly the same. I downloaded and read your help email from the laptop at the time, nonetheless, I was unable to reply from the laptop, so I am writing you right now from my desktop computer. It must be something else. I will wait to see if someone else has experienced the same problem. Thank you so very much for trying to help me, and so promptly too. Cordially, Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired From msalsman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 23:13:16 2008 From: msalsman at yahoo.com (Michael Salsman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:13:16 -0500 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Steven, I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if you still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can get great information on what's inside the case with a utility called Belarc Advisor. It's a free download for one machine, and can tell you all sorts of information about the hardware, as well as the software, operating system (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish someone would write a utility like that for Linux. Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to start if you already have Microsoft installed, and you are either getting ready to dump it for a GOOD operating system, or at a minimum set it up for dual-booting. Mike On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:28 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: > I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used > Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, > memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system > information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an > Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to > system information, I believe. Is there something like that in > Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 23:23:10 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:23:10 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the >> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE >> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my >> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well >> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window >> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password >> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an >> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from >> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail >> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft >> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird >> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help >> please. >> >> Steven Vollom >> >> >> > I know this is a stupid suggestion BUT quadruple check your outgoing > mail server settings [ smtp.att.yahoo.com ]. Also security setting. > Whenever I've had that problem that's what I find. Usually I have hit > comma instead of period. Find that after I've pulled out a few handfulls > of hair. > > Isn't it just swell that so many people just refuse to help if your not > a Microsofty. Actually, most of those people on the help line couldn't > change their mind if it wasn't on their computer screen. All they know > is what comes up after they punch in the issue. Click the "Yes/No" > buttons to get to the next screen. > > Dear Billie, Tycho Andersen gave the selfsame instruction. I cannot be any more careful. I checked slowly letter by letter, making sure no period was a comma. The configuration is correct. I removed Thunderbird from my laptop, restarted my computer and reinstalled Thunderbird. The problem remains. Is there anything in the computer hardware that could have an effect on the package or installation that you know of? I am stumped. I sure appreciate the prompt response by you and others, though. I will just have to wait and see if someone else has worked through the same problem. I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on. Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't turn back on. Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will reconnect, and eventually it does. Many times it starts without a problem several times before that symptom returns; I have not been able to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an electrical short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to send? It seems rediculous on the surface, but sometimes illogical thinking spurs a different thought. Anyway thanks for trying. Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired From ender8282 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 23:28:25 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:28:25 -0700 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DC1E99.7040607@yahoo.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Dear Tycho, > > I took a serious look at each letter and punctuation mark. They are > exactly the same. I downloaded and read your help email from the laptop > at the time, nonetheless, I was unable to reply from the laptop, so I am > writing you right now from my desktop computer. It must be something > else. I will wait to see if someone else has experienced the same > problem. Thank you so very much for trying to help me, and so promptly too. > > Cordially, > Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired > > Always start with the obvious: are you sure you are entering the correct password? i.e. caps lock isn't on. Assuming that that isn't the problem, you might try copying your desktop setting over to your laptop. There will be a folder "~/.thunderbird" or "~/mozilla-thunderbird" or something like that. If you copy the entire folder from desktop to laptop you will have all of you settings. If you still have problems you can be sure that it isn't a setting problem. And if everything is fixed, well then yippee. One side note is that I think my ISP doesn't let me use their send mail server from outside their network. It works fine if I am plugged into my router at home but fails when I am connected at work. Could this be a factor? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 23:28:30 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:28:30 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Message-ID: <48DC1E9E.5020902@sbcglobal.net> Michael Salsman wrote: > Steven, > > I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if > you still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can > get great information on what's inside the case with a utility called > Belarc Advisor. It's a free download for one machine, and can tell > you all sorts of information about the hardware, as well as the > software, operating system (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish > someone would write a utility like that for Linux. > > Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to start > if you already have Microsoft installed, and you are either getting > ready to dump it for a GOOD operating system, or at a minimum set it > up for dual-booting. > > Mike > > > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:28 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: >> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >> >> Dear Mike, Thanks for the thought. I have been away from Microsoft long enough to never want to go back. I surely wouldn't pay money for the result. Maybe someday I will be able to write such a program, who knows? I think it would be a good package too. The one good thing that comes from struggling through a problem like this is the things you learn. You are no longer that little doggie in the back window of your car that is always shaking its head in agreement. Cordially, Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired From paul at lemmons.name Thu Sep 25 23:36:23 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:36:23 -0700 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Message-ID: <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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'It' the laptop or 'it' the network connection? > Many times it starts without a > problem several times before that symptom returns; Are you talking about powering on the laptop, booting the laptop, or starting the network? > I have not been able > to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an electrical > short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to send? Hardware problems could cause anything but the fact that is only affecting a mail send makes it unlikely. It really sounds more like a configuration/settings issue. You are sending packets to request the incoming mail, so the machine can send packets. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 23:38:58 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:38:58 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DBCFD3.3030700@yahoo.it> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <48DBCFD3.3030700@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48DC2112.2090609@sbcglobal.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >> >> > > About memory, I found this site (www.crucial.com) to be quite > informative. For yopur model, > http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Evo%20Notebook%20N620c%20Series&pl=HP%20-%20Compaq&cat=RAM > > it says max memory is 2 gb, 2 slot for DDR PC2700, max 1 GB each (SODIMM > 200 pin). > > For other information, have a look at dmesg, lsusb, lspci (I'm no expert > in these fields but someone else on the list is). > HTH, > I. > > Dear Ignazio, Thank you for finding that information for me. The strange thing is that the Laptop has identifers on the bottom of the screen. Bottom left says Compaq - bottom right says Ivo N620c. Even when I go to Compaq website there are no specs for a Compaq N620c, only 610 and 600, and none of them are at 1.8ghz. The highest is 1.6ghz. Nonetheless, my computer runs from 1200mhz to 1800mhz depending on my need. Perhaps this is an experimental model or something. All manuals list as N610c. That is why I want some internal response from my computer. Perhaps the motherboard or other things are different from the normal laptop of the day. So when I request parts I may need different numbers. Anyway thanks for the help. 2gigs of memory should get me the results I want, if I can get this electrical problem squared away. I sure would like to get a larger hard drive than 60gb too. I only have 30 now. Cordially, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 23:49:44 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:49:44 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC1E99.7040607@yahoo.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> <48DC1E99.7040607@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DC2398.6040400@sbcglobal.net> John Hubbard wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Dear Tycho, >> >> I took a serious look at each letter and punctuation mark. They are >> exactly the same. I downloaded and read your help email from the laptop >> at the time, nonetheless, I was unable to reply from the laptop, so I am >> writing you right now from my desktop computer. It must be something >> else. I will wait to see if someone else has experienced the same >> problem. Thank you so very much for trying to help me, and so promptly too. >> >> Cordially, >> Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired >> >> >> > Always start with the obvious: are you sure you are entering the correct > password? i.e. caps lock isn't on. > Assuming that that isn't the problem, you might try copying your desktop > setting over to your laptop. There will be a folder "~/.thunderbird" or > "~/mozilla-thunderbird" or something like that. If you copy the entire > folder from desktop to laptop you will have all of you settings. If you > still have problems you can be sure that it isn't a setting problem. And > if everything is fixed, well then yippee. > > One side note is that I think my ISP doesn't let me use their send mail > server from outside their network. It works fine if I am plugged into my > router at home but fails when I am connected at work. Could this be a > factor? > > Dear John, Thank you for your response. I was extremely careful on several occasions of rechecking everything to make sure I typed in the correct password. No caps-lock. My server is att.yahoo.com. Strangely enough att was a partner in the creation of Linux originally and they don't support their invention. As far as being outside their network, both computers are in the same room. I use the same DSL modem for both. Due to ISP's unwillingness to help set up the router, I still don't have that working properly yet. So maybe you have come onto something. They don't support Linux or Firefox or Thunderbird; each time I need help I am given the choice to pay them $200 per year for Linux support or fix it myself. Pretty discriminatory I think. Anyway, I am not willing to pay them $200 to answer that question. And the first time someone in my area will sell their service for the low fee I pay, I will change ISP's. I am old on a low fixed income and have to watch my pennies. I get DSL for $19.95. I am going to try your copy suggestions as soon as I send this email. I will let you know if you cured the problem. Thanks again friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 00:03:42 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:03:42 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC20D1.9080903@yahoo.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <48DC20D1.9080903@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DC26DE.1070100@sbcglobal.net> John Hubbard wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on. >> Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't turn >> back on. >> > If you have powered off (not suspended) and you can't power back on then > it is a hardware problem If you can power on but not boot then we might > be able to help. If you are suspending but can't resume then there might > be help. > /It is when I power off completely that I have difficulty turning it back on. When it comes on properly, two lights blink immediately on the front left portion of the laptop. I click on the 'ON" button, if the two lights blink immediately on it boots up and works. When those lights do not blink, they don't come on at all and the computer does not boot up./ >> Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will >> reconnect, and eventually it does. >> > 'It' the laptop or 'it' the network connection? > /The laptop./ >> Many times it starts without a >> problem several times before that symptom returns; >> > Are you talking about powering on the laptop, booting the laptop, or > starting the network? > /I am talking about powering on the laptop./ >> I have not been able >> to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an electrical >> short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to send? >> > Hardware problems could cause anything but the fact that is only > affecting a mail send makes it unlikely. It really sounds more like a > configuration/settings issue. You are sending packets to request the > incoming mail, so the machine can send packets. > /I am sorry that I confused you here. The email problem is a separate issue. The email has been configured properly, but I wondered if the hardware had a problem that was close in the wiring to the send part of the email package, causing a glitch of some kind. Not very logical, but I actually have three problems that I am trying to work out. I just don't know if they are interrelated. I am also having a little trouble configuring a router. My ISP isn't helpful because I use Linux. These problems fixed and I have a good little laptop, my first. / > /Thanks for the help, friend,/ > Steven Vollom > > From paul at lemmons.name Fri Sep 26 00:14:35 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:14:35 -0700 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48DC296B.1010401@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 00:29:26 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:29:26 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48DC2CE6.2080002@sbcglobal.net> Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:System Information > From: Michael Salsman > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 09/25/2008 04:13 PM >> Steven, >> >> I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if >> you still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can >> get great information on what's inside the case with a utility called >> Belarc Advisor. It's a free download for one machine, and can tell >> you all sorts of information about the hardware, as well as the >> software, operating system (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish >> someone would write a utility like that for Linux. >> >> Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to start >> if you already have Microsoft installed, and you are either getting >> ready to dump it for a GOOD operating system, or at a minimum set it >> up for dual-booting. >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:28 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: >>> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >>> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >>> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >>> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >>> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >>> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >>> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >>> >>> > Take a look at: http://xyzz.kexik.net/node/12 > > This will give you some instructions on how to install an old Fedora > utility called "smolt" which collects and displays a significant > amount of information. It may or may not have what you are looking for > but might be a good starting place. In a nutshell you download two > files, dpkg -i to install them and run the command smoltSendProfile. > Reply "n" to ignore the request to actually send the profile to the > smolt server. > > -- > Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. > I went to the site, tried the code that was offered and my computer could not find it. I attempted installing as follows: sudo dpkg -i urlgrabber_3.1.0-2_all.deb The package was not found. I am new to using the terminal, however they set it up so I could not make a mistake in my entry, I don't think. I was very careful to copy it exactly as you see. Thank you friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 00:36:33 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:36:33 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DC296B.1010401@lemmons.name> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> <48DC296B.1010401@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <48DC2E91.7010204@sbcglobal.net> Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:System Information > From: Paul Lemmons > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 09/25/2008 04:36 PM >>> >>> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:28 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >>>> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >>>> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >>>> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >>>> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >>>> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >>>> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >>>> >>>> >> Take a look at: http://xyzz.kexik.net/node/12 >> >> This will give you some instructions on how to install an old Fedora >> utility called "smolt" which collects and displays a significant >> amount of information. It may or may not have what you are looking >> for but might be a good starting place. In a nutshell you download >> two files, dpkg -i to install them and run the command >> smoltSendProfile. Reply "n" to ignore the request to actually send >> the profile to the smolt server. >> > You know, I am not too bright sometimes. You can of course look the > easy yourself: > > cat /proc/cpuinfo > cat /proc/meminfo > lspci > > I suspect these three commands will give you a lot of what you are > looking for... > > -- > Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. > Thanks heaps. Much of this I have wanted to see before this. It doesn't provide all I want but it is exciting to know code that will help me in the future. You are very kind. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 00:38:55 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:38:55 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC1E99.7040607@yahoo.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> <48DC1E99.7040607@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DC2F1F.7000705@sbcglobal.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Fri Sep 26 01:00:09 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:09 -0400 Subject: how can I change Krusader's font size in KDE??? In-Reply-To: <200809251552.08057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200809251552.08057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 25, Pastor JW did say: > It reminds me very much of DirMaster or DOpus for Amiga. Maybe not quite as > nice or as fast but very useful just the same Then if I used an Amiga I'd probably like DirMaster or DOpus... > > Is there a way to change that font size??? > Sure, in Krusader go to "Settings", then "Configure Krusader", then to "Look > and Feel" then to the Panel tab and set your panel font! Thank you! But now I feel dumb... I looked all over the configure Krusader settings and yet failed to see that... musta been blinded by the rigidity of my own thought patterns... Now that I think about it, when I was busy trying to find the font settings in Krusaders internal settings, I hadn't yet realized that the place(s) the font I wanted to change was inside of, were called panel by Krusader...(which considering mc also calls them panels makes me feel even dumber Thus I probably never even clicked on that tab. THANKS AGAIN! -- | ^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From paul at lemmons.name Fri Sep 26 01:10:22 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:10:22 -0700 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DC2CE6.2080002@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> <48DC2077.4050402@lemmons.name> <48DC2CE6.2080002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DC367E.4050001@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 06:30:05 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:30:05 +0200 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809260830.06155.valtermura@gmail.com> Il venerdì 26 settembre 2008 01:23:10 Steven Vollom ha scritto: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the > >> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE > >> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my > >> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well > >> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window > >> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password > >> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an > >> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from > >> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail > >> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft > >> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird > >> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but > >> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help > >> please. Hi Steven, in the smtp/outgoing settings, have you tried to uncheck or check the authenticate box inside Thunderbird? What about these settings? Does the server require authentication? I was using a Yahoo account several moths ago, and I cannot manage the smtp server too. For this reason, I migrated to Gmail... I'm thinking it is a business policy of Yahoo... you buy a premium account, you get a working smtp server; if not, your mail won't work. Also try to setup mail with Kmail and see what happens. Kmail has a command that checks settings for smtp server. I Kmail works, TB (setting) is the problem. Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Fri Sep 26 07:01:23 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:01:23 -0400 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: <200809251910.57438.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> <200809251910.57438.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 25, Sylviane et Perry White did say: > On Wednesday 24 September 2008 19:45, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > OK perhaps I was being a bit harsh, But it felt harsh to me. It seams > > like all control settings are going to be primarily made with the rodent > > in hand. Which annoys me a bit because I lack some of the hand/eye/screen > > coordination needed to use the dang thing well. I do a little better with > > track balls but even then it's usually easier for me to type 30 or forty > > words than to get the gosh durned rodent accurately pointed at anything I > > need to click on. (and that's not to say I consider myself a typist... If > > it weren't for spell check, even I wouldn't know what I typed most of the > > time...) > Joe, > I have a feeling you have past the point where a computer novice gets lost > when the mouse reaches the edge of the table before the pointer reaches its > target (very funny). What? You mean I didn't have to get a bigger desk and a mouse with an extra long cord after all???? Yeah I do hope I'm past that point. Actually I'm not so much a novice as set in my ways... > Also using shortcuts instead of mouse is good practice. > > Still there are cases where the easiest way is to move the pointer or focus. > I don't know what applies in your case but I would consider: > 1) "Ball" mice may not roll smoothly, sometimes they need cleaning (not just > the ball as manufacturer tell, but the shafts it rools against) That's a big 10-4, In fact my track ball does sometimes have that problem. Every now and again I tip it upside down (catch the ball) and spray the Redmond out of it's guts with a can of air... The rodent usually works a little smoother afterwards. But it still doesn't help me keep the pointer in between the lines... Though to tell the truth I may have exaggerated (slightly) as at times I can make it work a little easier. but if I spend much time with it, my hands start to go numb, and once that happens it's a hopeless cause. Funny that, I can keypunch for hours without such problems, But it only takes a few minutes trying to control the mouse... > 2) Settings for the mouse may be adapted to your needs (speed, acceleration) I do slow it down some. But if I gotta drag n drop something with it set too dang slow, the finger on the button is bound to wiggle before I get there... > 3) Tabulator and arrows (up, down, left, right), in conjunction with other > keys (alt, shift, ctrl...) may change the focus... sorry, can't tell you all > the details because *I* rather use the mouse than remember this stuff. If you mean inside an application to move between fields and/or tabs, then I think it usually works But I keep forgetting when to switch to the arrow keys... I put a lot more faith in a labeled fields with an underscored character in the fieldname being reached via +{the underscored character} > 4) It is even possible to move the pointer anywhere without a mouse, I just > don't remember how :0( Actually I do . I found some of this a long time ago but never had a clue how to make it work. Which since it was such a pain to find the complete info when I googled "kde keyboard mouse emulation" I'll list what I learned here for the benefit of others... Actually there are two different places where mouse emulation / navigation is mentioned in the old kcontrol that I'm used to... And you just inspired me to spend some serious time googling the subject. Eventually I pieced together that the item kde calls mouse emulation in the shortcut keys assignment screen (usually set to +) will temporarily tie your cursor keys to the mouse pointer. The space-bar will generate one single click and exit mouse emulation. And that is all it can do. Whereas if you go into the peripherals -> mouse -> mouse navigation, you can activate num pad mouse nav. Which is then toggled on/off with a three key ++. When on, there are several control key combination that If used with great care can do the job. IE all the number keys except 5 & 0 move the pointer. "Set" {but not click} left, middle, or right button emulation with "/", "*", & "-" respectively then click with "5" or double click with "+" The "0" is supposed to emulate holding the button for drag n drop, the "." is supposed to let go. But I didn't get stable results from all of that when I tested it. But if I only use { / 5 } to click, { / 55 } to double-click/mark-word { / 555 } to triple-click/mark-line and { * 5 } to paste-marked. While leaving the other click controls alone I get fairly predictable results in Hardy... If that works as well elsewhere IE Intrepid, Sabayon, & OpenSuSE then it will be worth teaching myself to use it consistently. > I hope some of this can help you, but you may have had a necessity to learn > all this much better than I. Actually you motivated me to spend a few hours finding the info I lacked on Mouse Navigation... Thanks! > As a side-note, for a seamless integration of your mails in this list, since > you talk about spell checkers and you appear (I don't want to use the word > "seam" ;0) ) to use this very word "seam" quite often, I will > advise you not to trust your spell checker (it doe's not spell the end > of things :P because of a spell casted on all primitive spell checkers so > that they are unable to take the context into account to flag out a > correctly spelled world that shouldn't belong here) on that world and use > "seem" or "appear" instead. Your wife may use the word "seam" if she is > a dressmaker or she does some sewing. YMMV ;P Touche! Actually I don't completely trust my spell checker. I know its a relatively primitive one that doesn't include context checking... But for similar reasons to why mouse intensive controls bother me I find most gui spellcheckers annoy me with the need to use corded keys to select from the pop-up list of suggestions ignore add etc... And often there is no way, without resorting to the mouse, to actually select the 2nd suggested word instead of the first. Plus they tend to put their pop-up dialog box right squarely in front of the context I need to determine which if any of the suggestions I likely intended to say. AND I prefer to compose with vim, thus I use the following key bindings in my .vimrc file to spell check my text with an admittedly simplistic spellchecker That none-the less catches better than 90 percent of my typos... :map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -c $spellfile^M :map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G Of course the ^M in the .vimrc are the actual tokens vim generates with +V ... -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri Sep 26 07:16:40 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (tom bell) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:16:40 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem Message-ID: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:08:05 -0400 > From: Steven Vollom > Subject: Laptop email sending problem > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <48DBEFA5.3010401 at sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the > email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE > 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my > DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well > as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window > opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password > an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an > unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from > att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail > program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft > or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird > on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but > cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help > please. > > Steven Vollom Sounds to me like you are attempting to send out email using a secure login. Check your desk settings and see if it is set for a secure login when using SMTP to send email. You do need a login for receiving email via POP, but most of the time unless the ISP requires it you don't need a password for using SMTP. I have had serveral ISPs over the years and have never had to enter a password for secure login with SMTP. For background, I have been using the internet since the days of telnet, gopher, archie, and File Transfer Protocol, before HTML was even invented. I have used dialup, ISDN, DSL and now cable. I ran a BBS for eight years out of my home. So, I would say check "Edit->Account Settings->Outgoing Server->Edit" and seed if "Use secure connection" is checked (or ticked). To send outgoing email make sure it is. If you plug into another internet connection (i.e., your friend's or work) that is not your ISP then you cannot send email by SMTP. You can use a browser to login to your ISP's homepage and go to their email login and compose email online and send it that way. That is my fifty cents worth (inflation on 2 cents). Good luck! Tom -- “We trained hard-but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization.” -- Petronius (1st Century Roman and Advisor to Emperor Nero) From barnaby at drofle.com Fri Sep 26 07:55:58 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:55:58 +0100 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DC958E.6030600@drofle.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the > email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE > 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my > DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well > as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window > opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password > an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an > unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from > att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail > program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft > or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird > on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but > cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help > please. > > Steven Vollom > I had exactly this problem too. I have looked at the other replies and not found a mention of what I did, so ... In Thunderbird Edit > Account Settings then click on Outgoing Server. Then click on the Edit button. A new window will open up which will include Security and Authentication. I found that 'Use name and password' was selected. Deselect it and all should be well. It worked for me anyway. Hope that works Neil Winchurst From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 10:53:51 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:53:51 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8E127FBD-5D8C-4567-BF88-2C904B06FD2B@gmail.com> If addresses are spelled correctly -- and they probably are as you seem to be getting to the server, just not authenticating -- I would take a look at your authentication protocol settings, SSL, TLS, plain, etc. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > Tycho Andersen wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Steven Vollom >> wrote: >> >>> however when I attempt to send an email, a window >>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the >>> password >>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I >>> get an >>> unable to connect to the server also. >>> >> >> It strikes me that if you can receive but not send, you probably have >> the outgoing SMTP information configured incorrectly (probably typo >> or >> something). Check and make sure the outgoing SMTP information for >> your >> laptop's Thunderbird matches your desktop's. >> >> Tycho >> >> > Dear Tycho, > > I took a serious look at each letter and punctuation mark. They are > exactly the same. I downloaded and read your help email from the > laptop > at the time, nonetheless, I was unable to reply from the laptop, so > I am > writing you right now from my desktop computer. It must be something > else. I will wait to see if someone else has experienced the same > problem. Thank you so very much for trying to help me, and so > promptly too. > > Cordially, > Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 10:59:15 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:59:15 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Message-ID: <231219A8-9CB8-44B6-9A48-4254D5217886@gmail.com> I don't mean to curt, but the last reason that I can think of for installing windows is system transparency and diagnosis. Windows administrators usually boot a Linux CD when they need to learn this sort of stuff or fix serious problems. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Michael Salsman wrote: > Steven, > > I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if > you still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can > get great information on what's inside the case with a utility > called Belarc Advisor. It's a free download for one machine, and > can tell you all sorts of information about the hardware, as well as > the software, operating system (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish > someone would write a utility like that for Linux. > > Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to > start if you already have Microsoft installed, and you are either > getting ready to dump it for a GOOD operating system, or at a > minimum set it up for dual-booting. > > Mike > > > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:28 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: >> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of >> motherboard, >> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! >> Steven >> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 11:04:14 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:04:14 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2C40D0BF-ECDC-4D0C-B4A9-B73E0CD899F4@gmail.com> Steve, I seriously doubt any hardware problems you may have would affect SMTP and not POP/IMAP. As long as you are otherwise able to get TCP/IP connections, it is unlikely hardware. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured >>> the >>> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE >>> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I >>> attach my >>> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as >>> well >>> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window >>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the >>> password >>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I >>> get an >>> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from >>> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their >>> mail >>> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of >>> Microsoft >>> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and >>> Thunderbird >>> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >>> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is >>> working. Help >>> please. >>> >>> Steven Vollom >>> >>> >>> >> I know this is a stupid suggestion BUT quadruple check your outgoing >> mail server settings [ smtp.att.yahoo.com ]. Also security setting. >> Whenever I've had that problem that's what I find. Usually I have hit >> comma instead of period. Find that after I've pulled out a few >> handfulls >> of hair. >> >> Isn't it just swell that so many people just refuse to help if your >> not >> a Microsofty. Actually, most of those people on the help line >> couldn't >> change their mind if it wasn't on their computer screen. All they >> know >> is what comes up after they punch in the issue. Click the "Yes/No" >> buttons to get to the next screen. >> >> > Dear Billie, > > Tycho Andersen gave the selfsame instruction. I cannot be any more > careful. I checked slowly letter by letter, making sure no period > was a > comma. The configuration is correct. I removed Thunderbird from my > laptop, restarted my computer and reinstalled Thunderbird. The > problem > remains. Is there anything in the computer hardware that could have > an > effect on the package or installation that you know of? I am stumped. > I sure appreciate the prompt response by you and others, though. I > will > just have to wait and see if someone else has worked through the same > problem. > > I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on. > Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't turn > back on. Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will > reconnect, and eventually it does. Many times it starts without a > problem several times before that symptom returns; I have not been > able > to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an electrical > short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to send? > It seems rediculous on the surface, but sometimes illogical thinking > spurs a different thought. Anyway thanks for trying. > > Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 11:11:04 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:11:04 +0200 Subject: Ark crash Message-ID: Any ideas what is going on? It just started happening, perhaps an update killed it? ark ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=583255 This fix worked for me too but why is it happening? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 11:16:18 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:16:18 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC26DE.1070100@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <48DC20D1.9080903@yahoo.com> <48DC26DE.1070100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steve, You seem experienced enough with Linux that you shouldn't need to tell your ISP that you use Linux. When support says open Outlook Express, open T-bird. When you are asked to go to Tools|options, go to Edit|Preferences and so on. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > John Hubbard wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on. >>> Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't >>> turn >>> back on. >>> >> If you have powered off (not suspended) and you can't power back on >> then >> it is a hardware problem If you can power on but not boot then we >> might >> be able to help. If you are suspending but can't resume then there >> might >> be help. >> > /It is when I power off completely that I have difficulty turning it > back on. When it comes on properly, two lights blink immediately on > the > front left portion of the laptop. I click on the 'ON" button, if the > two lights blink immediately on it boots up and works. When those > lights do not blink, they don't come on at all and the computer does > not > boot up./ >>> Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will >>> reconnect, and eventually it does. >>> >> 'It' the laptop or 'it' the network connection? >> > /The laptop./ >>> Many times it starts without a >>> problem several times before that symptom returns; >>> >> Are you talking about powering on the laptop, booting the laptop, or >> starting the network? >> > /I am talking about powering on the laptop./ >>> I have not been able >>> to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an >>> electrical >>> short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to >>> send? >>> >> Hardware problems could cause anything but the fact that is only >> affecting a mail send makes it unlikely. It really sounds more like a >> configuration/settings issue. You are sending packets to request the >> incoming mail, so the machine can send packets. >> > /I am sorry that I confused you here. The email problem is a separate > issue. The email has been configured properly, but I wondered if the > hardware had a problem that was close in the wiring to the send part > of > the email package, causing a glitch of some kind. Not very logical, > but > I actually have three problems that I am trying to work out. I just > don't know if they are interrelated. I am also having a little > trouble > configuring a router. My ISP isn't helpful because I use Linux. > These > problems fixed and I have a good little laptop, my first. > / >> /Thanks for the help, friend,/ >> > Steven Vollom >> >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 11:19:21 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:19:21 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <200809260830.06155.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <200809260830.06155.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: I second this advice. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 26, 2008, at 2:30 AM, Valter Mura wrote: > Il venerdì 26 settembre 2008 01:23:10 Steven Vollom ha scritto: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I >>>> configured the >>>> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and >>>> KDE >>>> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I >>>> attach my >>>> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as >>>> well >>>> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a >>>> window >>>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the >>>> password >>>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I >>>> get an >>>> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help >>>> from >>>> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their >>>> mail >>>> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of >>>> Microsoft >>>> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and >>>> Thunderbird >>>> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >>>> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is >>>> working. Help >>>> please. > > > Hi Steven, > > in the smtp/outgoing settings, have you tried to uncheck or check the > authenticate box inside Thunderbird? > > What about these settings? Does the server require authentication? > > I was using a Yahoo account several moths ago, and I cannot manage > the smtp > server too. For this reason, I migrated to Gmail... > I'm thinking it is a business policy of Yahoo... you buy a premium > account, > you get a working smtp server; if not, your mail won't work. > > Also try to setup mail with Kmail and see what happens. Kmail has a > command > that checks settings for smtp server. I Kmail works, TB (setting) is > the > problem. > > Ciao > -- > Valter > Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org > Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com > Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org > "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From deloptes at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 11:24:26 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions Message-ID: <427221.3351.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, few days ago I posted those questions - can somebody answer them please! --- I've been using debian for years now, but the stable version is rather recomended for server hardware, because it lacks support for modern hardware used on notebooks. I've been using SuSE on my notebook, but it is pretty heavy, so few friends and linux experts recommended to go to k/ubuntu. I've installed it the day before and the first impresion is pretty good, but I think I've expected much more. Despite of this that some expectations are unmet, I have few questions. 1) dhclient When I did network restart sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart it said permission denied on /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script. I did ls -al /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script -rwsr-xr-- 1 root ssh 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script Why the h* it has permissions root:ssh I've installed another kubuntu and there it says -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dhcp 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script 2. wlan After installation wireless worked fine. I've installed a bunch of programs and now I can not activate the wlan trough knetworkmanager. Why? I was previously able to switch on/off by the hardware kill switch. What should I do to make it work I've been using the old ipw3945 with ipw3945d, I don't know much about iwl*. I read that few problems regarding this on dell notebooks will be solved in 2.6.27. When I use the software or hardware kill switch (and I do this because I don't like wave transmissions around me) I have permanent syslog messages like Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:0c:00.0 disabled It seems that there is link missing to ACPI. How can I get rid of it? The only way I found to enable/disable wlan is following: a) press the button for wireless control Fn+F2 b) run iwconfig txpower on c) modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 (this is necessary to initialize the driver. otherwise it says tx-power=-1Dbm) d) enable wlan over knetworkmanager. This is too much, especially as it requires superuser privileges. How can this be solved? There are few systems that seem not to work smoothly together like dbus/hal/acpi/ifplug(udev). So I think I am over-challenged with this. Any help is appreciated. 3) shutdown/reboot When I reboot the system says sending TERM/KILL signal and it stays so for about a minute. Why? 4) dual monitor layout Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid 3d limitation of screen size and when using two monitors there is no 3d acceleration I observed following. When I login with a new user it spannes the screen on both monitors. With my old user I can not do this and have to run xrandr manually. When I have the home on the local partition I put the xrandr script in .kde/Autostart and it works but when I have my home on nfs partition it does not. Where is the problem. There are two other issues with this intel card and xrandr. Who is responsible to extend the functionallity of the krandrtray, so a user can say use two desktops - I'm really missing it. Also a feature for screen A left/right of screen B would be fine. Screen here is monitor of course. thanks for all you help regards From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 12:14:27 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:14:27 +0200 Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: <427221.3351.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <427221.3351.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hi, > > few days ago I posted those questions - can somebody answer them please! > > --- > > I've been using debian for years now, but the stable version is rather recomended for server hardware, because it lacks support for modern hardware used on notebooks. > I've been using SuSE on my notebook, but it is pretty heavy, so few friends and linux experts recommended to go to k/ubuntu. > > I've installed it the day before and the first impresion is pretty good, but I think I've expected much more. Despite of this that some expectations are unmet, I have few questions. > > 1) dhclient > > When I did network restart > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart > it said permission denied on /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script. > > I did ls -al /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > -rwsr-xr-- 1 root ssh 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > Why the h* it has permissions root:ssh > > I've installed another kubuntu and there it says > > -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dhcp 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > 2. wlan > After installation wireless worked fine. I've installed a bunch of programs and now I can not activate the wlan trough knetworkmanager. > Why? I was previously able to switch on/off by the hardware kill switch. What should I do to make it work > I've been using the old ipw3945 with ipw3945d, I don't know much about iwl*. > I read that few problems regarding this on dell notebooks will be solved in 2.6.27. > > When I use the software or hardware kill switch (and I do this because I don't like wave transmissions around me) I have permanent syslog messages like > > Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch > Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:0c:00.0 disabled > > It seems that there is link missing to ACPI. How can I get rid of it? > > The only way I found to enable/disable wlan is following: > > a) press the button for wireless control Fn+F2 > b) run iwconfig txpower on > c) modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 (this is necessary to initialize the driver. otherwise it says tx-power=-1Dbm) > d) enable wlan over knetworkmanager. > > This is too much, especially as it requires superuser privileges. How can this be solved? > There are few systems that seem not to work smoothly together like dbus/hal/acpi/ifplug(udev). So I think I am over-challenged with this. Any help is appreciated. > > 3) shutdown/reboot > When I reboot the system says sending TERM/KILL signal and it stays so for about a minute. Why? > > 4) dual monitor layout > Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid 3d limitation of screen size and when using two monitors there is no 3d acceleration I observed following. When I login with a new user it spannes the screen on both monitors. With my old user I can not do this and have to run xrandr manually. When I have the home on the local partition I put the xrandr script in .kde/Autostart and it works but when I have my home on nfs partition it does not. Where is the problem. > > There are two other issues with this intel card and xrandr. > > Who is responsible to extend the functionallity of the krandrtray, so a user can say use two desktops - I'm really missing it. > Also a feature for screen A left/right of screen B would be fine. Screen here is monitor of course. I can't answer your questions but if you get no answer here try the Ubuntu list because a lot of this is not KDE specific and even when it is people there often know the answers. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:19:18 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:19:18 -0500 Subject: some updates that are not intalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809260919.18740.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Hello all for some time my little red update icon at te bottom right has been asking me to install updates When I click on the icon the followng package appear amarok amorak-xine k3b libavcodec1d all are marked upgradable but.... all request 'no change' do Ineed to change some setting HH 8.10 I am not sure of the kde version... any help would be appreciated. Lastly.. I have installed compiz the only feature I would like is to hover over a minimized screen and see a small pop up wndow.. does anyone know ow to activate this? thanks in advance Kevin From godshatter at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 14:38:49 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:38:49 -0700 Subject: some updates that are not intalling In-Reply-To: <200809260919.18740.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> References: <200809260919.18740.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <48DCF3F9.5050109@yahoo.com> Kevin Jones wrote: > Lastly.. I have installed compiz the only feature I would like is to hover > over a minimized screen and see a small pop up wndow.. does anyone know ow > to activate this? > I think what you are looking for is Advanced Desktop Effects Settings -> Extras -> Window Previews. You may have to install compizconfig-settings-manager and/or compiz-fusion-plugins-extra. This shows a preview of what the actual window contents look like when you cursor over the window icon in the taskbar. It can be configured to do this for all windows, or just the windows on the current desktop. Paul From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:48:25 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:48:25 +0300 Subject: some updates that are not intalling In-Reply-To: <200809260919.18740.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> References: <200809260919.18740.kjb.jones@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <48DCF639.7010804@gmail.com> Kevin Jones wrote: > > > Hello all > for some time my little red update icon at te bottom right has been asking me > to install updates > When I click on the icon the followng package appear > > amarok > amorak-xine > k3b > libavcodec1d > all are marked upgradable but.... > all request 'no change' > do Ineed to change some setting > HH 8.10 > I am not sure of the kde version... > > any help would be appreciated. > > Lastly.. I have installed compiz the only feature I would like is to hover > over a minimized screen and see a small pop up wndow.. does anyone know ow > to activate this? > > thanks in advance > > Kevin > it seems that these packages might cause some dependency issue, and adept is keeping them back by default. i don't know the best was to update them through GUI, but you can go to a terminal, alt+F2, konsole. and type the following: sudo aptitude full-upgrade or you can type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade both should lead to the same result. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 26 14:52:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:52:05 -0300 Subject: And now it is Quanta References: <200809251417.04599.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <48DC0A78.2050909@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <1507726.iD7R1d2ud0@cedar.serverforest.com> Paul Lemmons wrote: > From: "Gerald I. Evenden" > Date: 09/25/2008 11:17 AM >> On one suggestion I tried quanta. It loads OK with a bunch of warnings >> about missing applications for full functionality BUT the reference >> sidebar is >> almost all worthless. For example: tag html->forms->button and you get: >> >> "An error occurred while loading >> file:///usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/docbook/ref-element.html: >> The file or folder /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/docbook/ref-element.html >> does not exist." >> >> Looking at /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc I find four broken symbolic links: >> css, docbook, html and php. >> >> > This is a problem specific to Kubuntu and nobody has, as of yet, > addressed it. The solution is not difficult: > $ sudo su - > # cd /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc > # rm -rf css* > # rm -rf html* > # rm -rf php* > # rm -rf docbook* > # ^D > $ > > Open quanta and then right click in the documentation panel. ... I haven't had to do any of that, and I don't get any errors. Since the only occurrence I have of a file named ref-element.html is in the package docbook-defguide, and I usually use "aptitude" to install - which by default installs all "Recommends" packages, and docbook-defguide is recommended by quanta, I would suspect that's all you need. If you have other errors, you might try installing any or all of cervisia, gnupg, kompare, and kxsldbg, which are all also recommended. So I'd say it's intentional, though it could probably have been cleaner. -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 26 15:02:26 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:02:26 -0500 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> On 09/26/2008 tom bell wrote: > If you plug into another internet connection (i.e., your friend's or > work) that is not your ISP then you cannot send email by SMTP. You > can > use a browser to login to your ISP's homepage and go to their email > login and compose email online and send it that way. With an att.yahoo account you want "SSL" for sending but no security setting for receiving. Just so you know, with att.yahoo you can send mail from any connection unless the ISP blocks it. We have an att.yahoo account that we keep as a backup. Our main provider, wireless, requires ALL outgoing mail to go through their server. I receive it through the att.yahoo account. When traveling and using wifi connections at hotels and such I send through the att.yahoo account without difficulty. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 26 15:18:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:18:05 -0300 Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions References: <427221.3351.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1635422.DQxeuQeg00@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > 1) dhclient > > When I did network restart > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart > it said permission denied on /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script. > > I did ls -al /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > -rwsr-xr-- 1 root ssh 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 > /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > Why the h* it has permissions root:ssh You didn't actually install Kubuntu, fresh, did you? You've upgraded from Debian, which is likely to result in a fair number of problems. Particularly, your /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd and probably /etc/group & /etc/gpasswd are out of sync. > 2. wlan > After installation wireless worked fine. I've installed a bunch of > programs and now I can not activate the wlan trough knetworkmanager. Why? > > I was previously able to switch on/off by the hardware kill switch. What > should I do to make it work I've been using the old ipw3945 with ipw3945d, > I don't know much about iwl*. I read that few problems regarding this on > dell notebooks will be solved in 2.6.27. > > When I use the software or hardware kill switch (and I do this because I > don't like wave transmissions around me) I have permanent syslog messages > like > > Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill > switch Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device > 0000:0c:00.0 disabled > > It seems that there is link missing to ACPI. How can I get rid of it? No, it says that you disabled the device. That seems perfectly reasonable. > There are few systems that seem not to work smoothly together like > dbus/hal/acpi/ifplug(udev). So I think I am over-challenged with this. > Any help is appreciated. > > 3) shutdown/reboot > When I reboot the system says sending TERM/KILL signal and it stays so for > about a minute. Why? Incorrectly written DSDT in the BIOS. Sorry, I don't recall the fix but it's an ACPI parameter in the grub boot settings. > 4) dual monitor layout > Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid 3d limitation of screen size > and when using two monitors there is no 3d acceleration I observed > following. Cheap hardware gives cheap results. I can live with those limitations. I don't even know if the Intel graphics can do that in Vista, but certainly not in X. > Who is responsible to extend the functionallity of the krandrtray, so a > user can say use two desktops - I'm really missing it. Also a feature for > screen A left/right of screen B would be fine. Screen here is monitor of > course. I have that with my laptop and a 945 graphics card. System Settings - Monitor and Display. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 15:32:00 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:32:00 +0300 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <880dece00809260832h383f7972sde752fc767d53d10@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/25 Alain Muls : > I quite like Dolphin and its "mac finder"-like column view, but I find that it > crashes all together too often (crashes due to going up in the directory for > several levels at one, or when a refresh of current directory is needed). Could you provide more details? Have you checked if the bug has already been filed? There are a few crashers still left in the 4.x code. > Also, when I open a link > from a feed in kontact, I often get an error that konqueror is unable to > display the html page since its render engine died, needing a restart. This sounds new to me. More details, please. If you can copy (or screenshot) the exact error message, which website you were visiting, and how you got to that page (link from other site, link in other application, bookmark, url bar), then we should file a new bug. > Moreover Konqueror does not display pages correctly displayed by firefox. This > makes me wonder why konqueror is so much liked, or am I doing something wrong? > Konqueror displays correctly coded pages better than any other browser with the possible exception of Opera. However, Firefox is much more forgiving of non-compliant code. Furthermore, some webpages rely upon pixel-perfect alignment of elements which do not have such alignments defined in HTML specs. Therefore, each browser displays them a bit differently. When viewed in a browser which uses a different amount of padding / spacing than the browser that it was coded for, the site looks bad. Truth is, I am borderline guilty of coding some of my own sites this way. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 16:15:56 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:15:56 +0200 Subject: DVD and encryption error, a new look at why. Message-ID: I just found this on the ubuntu list and I would bet that this could be what caused all the DVD problems out there! >>>>> I think I know what you're asking now. Update-manager handles day-to-day package upgrades just as easily as Synaptic or adept afaik. But when it comes to Distribution Upgrades Update-manager has special logic/programming to resolve the weird situations which arise as well as (previously mentioned) making sure depreciated packages are removed and new packages required by the new distribution *but not necessarily by your already installed packages* are installed. That is, Ibex proper may need package X which is not a dependency of any of your other installed packages, thus performing an upgrade via Synaptic etc. may result with it not being installed, whereas Update-manager would make sure it was installed. >>>>> -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Fri Sep 26 16:17:40 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:17:40 +0100 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: References: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> <200809251910.57438.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <48DD0B24.1010705@yahoo.it> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: [snip] >> 1) "Ball" mice may not roll smoothly, sometimes they need cleaning (not just >> the ball as manufacturer tell, but the shafts it rools against) > > That's a big 10-4, In fact my track ball does sometimes have that > problem. Every now and again I tip it upside down (catch the ball) and > spray the Redmond out of it's guts with a can of air... The rodent usually > works a little smoother afterwards. I used to open the 'rodent' and scrub the dirt out with whatever tool was needed or at hand for the job, then I bought mi first optic mouse and was done with all that mess. Also, I'm saving money in the long run, I only bought two optical mice in the last 7 years (because I kept forgetting one in the office or at home while moving the laptop). But it still doesn't help me keep the > pointer in between the lines... Though to tell the truth I may have > exaggerated (slightly) as at times I can make it work a little easier. > but if I spend much time with it, my hands start to go numb, and once > that happens it's a hopeless cause. Funny that, I can keypunch for hours > without such problems, But it only takes a few minutes trying to control > the mouse... I had the same problem when I first started using a computer. Over time I learned that the problem in my case was that I needed to keep the whole forearm on the table, so that the hand does not have to push on the mouse with the weight of the whole arm. Might be worth a try? (I escaped carpal tunnel syndrome as well that way :)). HTH, I. From paul at lemmons.name Fri Sep 26 16:23:04 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:23:04 -0700 Subject: And now it is Quanta In-Reply-To: <200809261026.14089.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200809251417.04599.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <48DC0A78.2050909@lemmons.name> <200809261026.14089.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DD0C68.1030904@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I attach my >>>> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well >>>> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window >>>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password >>>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an >>>> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from >>>> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail >>>> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft >>>> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird >>>> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >>>> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help >>>> please. >>>> > > > Hi Steven, > > in the smtp/outgoing settings, have you tried to uncheck or check the > authenticate box inside Thunderbird? > > What about these settings? Does the server require authentication? > > I was using a Yahoo account several moths ago, and I cannot manage the smtp > server too. For this reason, I migrated to Gmail... > I'm thinking it is a business policy of Yahoo... you buy a premium account, > you get a working smtp server; if not, your mail won't work. > > Also try to setup mail with Kmail and see what happens. Kmail has a command > that checks settings for smtp server. I Kmail works, TB (setting) is the > problem. > > Ciao > Dear Ciao, Thank you so very much. I have been looking at that box over and over and at each and every little thing including making sure I didn't accidentally hit a comma instead of a period. I am embarrassed that I missed it. I think people like me were made so that others can feel better about themselves. If that is the case, I wear my stupid banner as a medal. Thanks again, Steven From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 26 16:25:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:25:51 -0300 Subject: Laptop email sending problem References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3713763.hvK0qzgvQ2@cedar.serverforest.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Tycho Andersen gave the selfsame instruction. I cannot be any more > careful. I checked slowly letter by letter, making sure no period was a > comma. The configuration is correct. It's hard not to sound patronizing at this point, so I apologize in advance, but you need to realize that, in fact, it's not possible that the configuration is correct - you have something wrong. Now, not using Thunderbird I can't tell you where the configurations are stored, but the best thing you can do, is find the files where the data is kept, and compare them (hoping that they're actually in clear text...). -- derek From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 16:51:23 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:51:23 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <48DD130B.3010708@sbcglobal.net> tom bell wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:08:05 -0400 >> From: Steven Vollom >> Subject: Laptop email sending problem >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> Message-ID: <48DBEFA5.3010401 at sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the >> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE >> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my >> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well >> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window >> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password >> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an >> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from >> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail >> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft >> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird >> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help >> please. >> >> Steven Vollom >> > Sounds to me like you are attempting to send out email using a secure > login. Check your desk settings and see if it is set for a secure login > when using SMTP to send email. You do need a login for receiving email > via POP, but most of the time unless the ISP requires it you don't need > a password for using SMTP. I have had serveral ISPs over the years and > have never had to enter a password for secure login with SMTP. > For background, I have been using the internet since the days of telnet, > gopher, archie, and File Transfer Protocol, before HTML was even > invented. I have used dialup, ISDN, DSL and now cable. I ran a BBS for > eight years out of my home. > So, I would say check "Edit->Account Settings->Outgoing Server->Edit" > and seed if "Use secure connection" is checked (or ticked). To send > outgoing email make sure it is. > If you plug into another internet connection (i.e., your friend's or > work) that is not your ISP then you cannot send email by SMTP. You can > use a browser to login to your ISP's homepage and go to their email > login and compose email online and send it that way. > That is my fifty cents worth (inflation on 2 cents). > Good luck! > > Tom > > Dear Tom, Thanks for your help. Valter Mura gave me the solution. Apparently I was seeing without seeing. I thought I was so careful to check every jot and tittle that I overlooked something that I actually knew all the time. I sometimes have to prove I can make stupider mistakes than previously. You'd think at my age I would learn. I have taken so much time from so many kind people only to find I was careless. Thanks again. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 16:54:19 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:54:19 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DC958E.6030600@drofle.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC958E.6030600@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48DD13BB.6040701@sbcglobal.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured the >> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE >> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I attach my >> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as well >> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window >> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the password >> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I get an >> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from >> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their mail >> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of Microsoft >> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and Thunderbird >> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is working. Help >> please. >> >> Steven Vollom >> >> > I had exactly this problem too. I have looked at the other replies and > not found a mention of what I did, so ... > > In Thunderbird > > Edit > Account Settings then click on Outgoing Server. Then click on > the Edit button. > > A new window will open up which will include > > Security and Authentication. > > I found that 'Use name and password' was selected. Deselect it and all > should be well. It worked for me anyway. > > Hope that works > > Neil Winchurst > > Thanks Neil, Valter Mura came to the same conclusion. It solved my problem. Trouble is that I actually knew that and still overlooked it perhaps 50 times. I was so frustrated, I started looking for hardware problems. I am sorry to have taken so much time from so many kind people, for something I should have known better. Thanks again. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 16:59:43 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:59:43 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <8E127FBD-5D8C-4567-BF88-2C904B06FD2B@gmail.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <49b3a7400809251423x7bf16e64qc247b578e2513aab@mail.gmail.com> <48DC1ADC.4070502@sbcglobal.net> <8E127FBD-5D8C-4567-BF88-2C904B06FD2B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DD14FF.4070606@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > If addresses are spelled correctly -- and they probably are as you > seem to be getting to the server, just not authenticating -- I would > take a look at your authentication protocol settings, SSL, TLS, plain, > etc. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as > well. > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: > > >> Tycho Andersen wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Steven Vollom >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> however when I attempt to send an email, a window >>>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the >>>> password >>>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I >>>> get an >>>> unable to connect to the server also. >>>> >>>> >>> It strikes me that if you can receive but not send, you probably have >>> the outgoing SMTP information configured incorrectly (probably typo >>> or >>> something). Check and make sure the outgoing SMTP information for >>> your >>> laptop's Thunderbird matches your desktop's. >>> >>> Tycho >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Tycho, >> >> I took a serious look at each letter and punctuation mark. They are >> exactly the same. I downloaded and read your help email from the >> laptop >> at the time, nonetheless, I was unable to reply from the laptop, so >> I am >> writing you right now from my desktop computer. It must be something >> else. I will wait to see if someone else has experienced the same >> problem. Thank you so very much for trying to help me, and so >> promptly too. >> >> Cordially, >> Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > Dear Art, Valter Mura finally got that point through to my minuscule brain. I must have overlooked that 50 times not realizing it. I am sorry that I have used up so many kind people's time on the matter. I am a little embarrassed, however, I have actually done stupider things than that before, so I guess I will have to just keep moving on. Thanks again, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 17:11:59 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:11:59 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <231219A8-9CB8-44B6-9A48-4254D5217886@gmail.com> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> <231219A8-9CB8-44B6-9A48-4254D5217886@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DD17DF.9070609@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > I don't mean to curt, but the last reason that I can think of for > installing windows is system transparency and diagnosis. Windows > administrators usually boot a Linux CD when they need to learn this > sort of stuff or fix serious problems. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Michael Salsman > wrote: > >> Steven, >> >> I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if >> you still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can >> get great information on what's inside the case with a utility called >> Belarc Advisor. It's a free download for one machine, and can tell >> you all sorts of information about the hardware, as well as the >> software, operating system (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish >> someone would write a utility like that for Linux. >> >> Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to start >> if you already have Microsoft installed, and you are either getting >> ready to dump it for a GOOD operating system, or at a minimum set it >> up for dual-booting. >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:28 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: >>> I have been trying to find the components in my newly purchased used >>> Compaq Evo N620c laptop. The information I want is name of motherboard, >>> memory limitations and type of memory, and other relevant system >>> information. I operate Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. My processor is an >>> Intel P4 1.8mhz M. When I got similar information on XP, I went to >>> system information, I believe. Is there something like that in >>> Kubuntu. I don't seem to Google a suitable question. Thanks! Steven >>> >>> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Dear Art, You are just fine. I don't see your response as curt. I stopped using Windows 3 years ago, though, so I am a little confused. There are a few things wrong with a used laptop I bought and I am not a techie, and the model of laptop does not come up even when going to the Compaq site. It is an Evo N620c according to the indication of the laptop and is 1.8ghz. Those factors never show on any of the Compaq technical data. Consequently, I am unsure what to purchase to fix and upgrade the laptop. I am also not very experienced using a Linux terminal or opening up the laptop to verify the hardware. I have gotten some commands from kind people that provide a lot of information about this laptop that I wanted to know, but I still can't identify the motherboard. I have an issue where when pressing the on/off button to turn on the computer, it doesn't turn on. I wait and try again and again and again until eventually it turns on. I expect it is the on/off switch or a short, but I would like to know before I try to fix the problem myself. Unfortunately, I am old, on a low fixed income and cannot afford to hire a technician. So I must solve the problem and search for an inexpensive replacement part to get the computer fixed. Your help is most appreciated. Fortunately I was able to fix the email problem, even though it was stupidity on my part. Usually is. Thanks again friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 17:14:47 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:14:47 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <2C40D0BF-ECDC-4D0C-B4A9-B73E0CD899F4@gmail.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <2C40D0BF-ECDC-4D0C-B4A9-B73E0CD899F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DD1887.4020803@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > Steve, > > I seriously doubt any hardware problems you may have would affect SMTP > and not POP/IMAP. As long as you are otherwise able to get TCP/IP > connections, it is unlikely hardware. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as > well. > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: > > >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I configured >>>> the >>>> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE >>>> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I >>>> attach my >>>> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as >>>> well >>>> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a window >>>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the >>>> password >>>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I >>>> get an >>>> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help from >>>> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their >>>> mail >>>> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of >>>> Microsoft >>>> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and >>>> Thunderbird >>>> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >>>> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is >>>> working. Help >>>> please. >>>> >>>> Steven Vollom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I know this is a stupid suggestion BUT quadruple check your outgoing >>> mail server settings [ smtp.att.yahoo.com ]. Also security setting. >>> Whenever I've had that problem that's what I find. Usually I have hit >>> comma instead of period. Find that after I've pulled out a few >>> handfulls >>> of hair. >>> >>> Isn't it just swell that so many people just refuse to help if your >>> not >>> a Microsofty. Actually, most of those people on the help line >>> couldn't >>> change their mind if it wasn't on their computer screen. All they >>> know >>> is what comes up after they punch in the issue. Click the "Yes/No" >>> buttons to get to the next screen. >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Billie, >> >> Tycho Andersen gave the selfsame instruction. I cannot be any more >> careful. I checked slowly letter by letter, making sure no period >> was a >> comma. The configuration is correct. I removed Thunderbird from my >> laptop, restarted my computer and reinstalled Thunderbird. The >> problem >> remains. Is there anything in the computer hardware that could have >> an >> effect on the package or installation that you know of? I am stumped. >> I sure appreciate the prompt response by you and others, though. I >> will >> just have to wait and see if someone else has worked through the same >> problem. >> >> I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on. >> Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't turn >> back on. Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will >> reconnect, and eventually it does. Many times it starts without a >> problem several times before that symptom returns; I have not been >> able >> to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an electrical >> short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to send? >> It seems rediculous on the surface, but sometimes illogical thinking >> spurs a different thought. Anyway thanks for trying. >> >> Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > Dear Art, > Actually I overlooked an error maybe 50 times. I don't know why I didn't see it. That is why I feel so foolish about this problem. Anyway Valter Mura returned it to my attention; I made the correction; it worked. Thanks again for spending so much of your time trying to help me. Cordially, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 17:20:37 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:20:37 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <48DC20D1.9080903@yahoo.com> <48DC26DE.1070100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DD19E5.6080705@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > Steve, > > You seem experienced enough with Linux that you shouldn't need to tell > your ISP that you use Linux. > > When support says open Outlook Express, open T-bird. When you are > asked to go to Tools|options, go to Edit|Preferences and so on. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as > well. > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: > > >> John Hubbard wrote: >> >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on. >>>> Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't >>>> turn >>>> back on. >>>> >>>> >>> If you have powered off (not suspended) and you can't power back on >>> then >>> it is a hardware problem If you can power on but not boot then we >>> might >>> be able to help. If you are suspending but can't resume then there >>> might >>> be help. >>> >>> >> /It is when I power off completely that I have difficulty turning it >> back on. When it comes on properly, two lights blink immediately on >> the >> front left portion of the laptop. I click on the 'ON" button, if the >> two lights blink immediately on it boots up and works. When those >> lights do not blink, they don't come on at all and the computer does >> not >> boot up./ >> >>>> Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will >>>> reconnect, and eventually it does. >>>> >>>> >>> 'It' the laptop or 'it' the network connection? >>> >>> >> /The laptop./ >> >>>> Many times it starts without a >>>> problem several times before that symptom returns; >>>> >>>> >>> Are you talking about powering on the laptop, booting the laptop, or >>> starting the network? >>> >>> >> /I am talking about powering on the laptop./ >> >>>> I have not been able >>>> to find a solution to that problem either. Do you think an >>>> electrical >>>> short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to >>>> send? >>>> >>>> >>> Hardware problems could cause anything but the fact that is only >>> affecting a mail send makes it unlikely. It really sounds more like a >>> configuration/settings issue. You are sending packets to request the >>> incoming mail, so the machine can send packets. >>> >>> >> /I am sorry that I confused you here. The email problem is a separate >> issue. The email has been configured properly, but I wondered if the >> hardware had a problem that was close in the wiring to the send part >> of >> the email package, causing a glitch of some kind. Not very logical, >> but >> I actually have three problems that I am trying to work out. I just >> don't know if they are interrelated. I am also having a little >> trouble >> configuring a router. My ISP isn't helpful because I use Linux. >> These >> problems fixed and I have a good little laptop, my first. >> / >> >>> /Thanks for the help, friend,/ >>> >>> >> Steven Vollom >> >>> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > Dear Art, I am older now. I try not to lie or misinform anyone anymore. I guess I fear the afterlife, if I can't clean up this one. Anyway, I think what AT&T is doing is discriminatory and unethical, and perhaps even involvement with Microsoft to help them get the dominance they seem to want. In any event, I won't tell even a small lie anymore to get the things I want. People tell me I am stupid, but wait untill you get close to the end of your life and see if you don't consider the possibility of GOD and punishment for needless crimes. Try not to be too hard on people like me. Fear is one of the things we have to deal with after not spending enough time living our life right when we were younger. You are fantastic though; you have sent many emails attempting to help me. And, I am truly grateful my friend. Steven From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 17:24:17 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:24:17 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DD14FF.4070606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <8E127FBD-5D8C-4567-BF88-2C904B06FD2B@gmail.com> <48DD14FF.4070606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809261324.27331.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 26 September 2008 12:59:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >  I am a little > embarrassed, however, I have actually done stupider things than that > before, so I guess I will have to just keep moving on.  Thanks again, Sometimes we all need someone else to point out what seems so obvious to us once it is brought to our attention. Glad you fixed it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 17:26:26 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:26:26 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <200809260830.06155.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DD1B42.60700@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > I second this advice. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as > well. > > On Sep 26, 2008, at 2:30 AM, Valter Mura wrote: > > >> Il venerdì 26 settembre 2008 01:23:10 Steven Vollom ha scritto: >> >>> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> >>>>> I recently purchased a used Compaq Ivo N620c laptop. I >>>>> configured the >>>>> email client the same as my desktop. Both have Kubuntu 8.04 and >>>>> KDE >>>>> 3.5.9. Both run Firefox and Thunderbird as default. When I >>>>> attach my >>>>> DSL cable moden to the laptop, I am able to surf the internet, as >>>>> well >>>>> as receive emails, however when I attempt to send an email, a >>>>> window >>>>> opens asking the password for my email server. I type in the >>>>> password >>>>> an click enter and the selfsame window opens again and again. I >>>>> get an >>>>> unable to connect to the server also. I have tried to get help >>>>> from >>>>> att.yahoo, but they are not helpful because I am not using their >>>>> mail >>>>> program or their browser and am using Kubuntu Hardy instead of >>>>> Microsoft >>>>> or Apple. I have used Kubuntu for 3 years with Firefox and >>>>> Thunderbird >>>>> on my desktop with no problems. The fact that I receive emails but >>>>> cannot send suggests that at least part of the program is >>>>> working. Help >>>>> please. >>>>> >> Hi Steven, >> >> in the smtp/outgoing settings, have you tried to uncheck or check the >> authenticate box inside Thunderbird? >> >> What about these settings? Does the server require authentication? >> >> I was using a Yahoo account several moths ago, and I cannot manage >> the smtp >> server too. For this reason, I migrated to Gmail... >> I'm thinking it is a business policy of Yahoo... you buy a premium >> account, >> you get a working smtp server; if not, your mail won't work. >> >> Also try to setup mail with Kmail and see what happens. Kmail has a >> command >> that checks settings for smtp server. I Kmail works, TB (setting) is >> the >> problem. >> >> Ciao >> -- >> Valter >> Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org >> Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com >> Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org >> "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > Dear Art, His advice was the advice that I took that fixed the problem. I was embarrassed because I knew that solution and somehow overlooked it over and over, perhaps 50 times. You are a fine person. You pursued my problem to its conclusion and more. I hope others are as kind to you when you have a need as you have been to me. I probably won't hear from you again, until I suppose the next problem, but I want to wish the best to you and those you care for and hope I come into contact again. It would really be nice if you had a problem that I could help you fix. Cordially, Steven From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 17:28:17 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:28:17 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <48DD17DF.9070609@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <231219A8-9CB8-44B6-9A48-4254D5217886@gmail.com> <48DD17DF.9070609@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809261328.17760.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:11:59 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > There are a few > things wrong with a used laptop I bought and I am not a techie,  and the > model of laptop does not come up even when going to the Compaq site.  It > is an Evo N620c according to the indication of the laptop and is > 1.8ghz.   I have one of those Evo N610c's. I am going to guess that Compaq/HP did not market or sell the 620 in the US, and you are being redirected to the US portion of hp.com. You need to google the model and see where it was marketed and try going to that portion of the HP site. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 17:29:43 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:29:43 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48DD1C07.2050605@sbcglobal.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/26/2008 tom bell wrote: > >> If you plug into another internet connection (i.e., your friend's or >> work) that is not your ISP then you cannot send email by SMTP. You >> can >> use a browser to login to your ISP's homepage and go to their email >> login and compose email online and send it that way. >> > > With an att.yahoo account you want "SSL" for sending but no security > setting for receiving. > > Just so you know, with att.yahoo you can send mail from any connection > unless the ISP blocks it. We have an att.yahoo account that we keep as a > backup. Our main provider, wireless, requires ALL outgoing mail to go > through their server. I receive it through the att.yahoo account. When > traveling and using wifi connections at hotels and such I send through > the att.yahoo account without difficulty. > > Thank you Billie, I finally got the problem solved. Valter Mura gave me a solution I already knew and overlooked perhaps 50 times. You are among several that helped me solve the problem and I am grateful. Best wishes to you and yours. Again, thanks! Cordially, Steven From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 26 17:17:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:17:13 -0300 Subject: DVD and encryption error, a new look at why. References: Message-ID: <1419256.c7Ukxz02ON@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > I just found this on the ubuntu list and I would bet that this could > be what caused all the DVD problems out there! Er?? I don't think so... >>>>>> > Update-manager handles day-to-day package upgrades just as easily as > Synaptic or adept afaik. But when it comes to Distribution Upgrades > Update-manager has special logic/programming to resolve the weird > situations which arise as well as (previously mentioned) making sure > depreciated packages are removed and new packages required by the new > distribution *but not necessarily by your already installed packages* > are installed. And you didn't read my response that Adept _is_ the tool that does the same thing as update-manager in KDE? What caused all the DVD problems "out there" afaict is that there was no way provided to transparently handle the changed device names if they changed with the last release, instead of with Gutsy as they did for most of us. -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Fri Sep 26 17:06:51 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:06:51 +0200 Subject: DVD and encryption error, a new look at why. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809261906.51309.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > I just found this on the ubuntu list and I would bet that this could > be what caused all the DVD problems out there! > >>>>> > I think I know what you're asking now. > > Update-manager handles day-to-day package upgrades just as easily as > Synaptic or adept afaik. But when it comes to Distribution Upgrades > Update-manager has special logic/programming to resolve the weird > situations which arise as well as (previously mentioned) making sure > depreciated packages are removed and new packages required by the new > distribution *but not necessarily by your already installed packages* > are installed. > > That is, Ibex proper may need package X which is not a dependency of > any of your other installed packages, thus performing an upgrade via > Synaptic etc. may result with it not being installed, whereas > Update-manager would make sure it was installed. > >>>>> Now the question is, what is your assumption? 1) Update-manager was faulty when the link /dev/dvd -> /dev/hda became /dev/dvd1 ->/dev/scd0. 2) Some people have used the unsupported upgrade path with another package manager and that didn't take care of the problem. I think both are possible. When Hardy was released, a neighbour upgraded several machines always using update-manager. IIRC he had the problem of the broken link /dev/dvd1 -> /dev/scd0 on those machines. And people using the unsupported path sure didn't know about the problem. Nils From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 17:40:46 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:40:46 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 Message-ID: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would prefer HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. Steven From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 17:48:31 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:48:31 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DD19E5.6080705@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DD19E5.6080705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809261348.45131.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:20:37 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > I think > what AT&T is doing is discriminatory and unethical, and perhaps even > involvement with Microsoft to help them get the dominance they seem to > want I support desktop PCs on my job. I can tell you it is unlikely that this has any nefarious basis. It is pure economics and complexity. You hire first level techs, you pay them as little as you can. The ones who work for so little are the least skilled. You enable them to do the job with a script that works most of the time. (A point here about perspective. If you are on this list — if you bother to subscribe to any technical list — you either know or at least desire to know more about computers than most users. Most users indeed ask the basic, repetitive questions that the scripts address.) In order to get a script that works most of the time, you need to aim it at the OS/software the customer is most likely to use. That would be Windows and software that is included with it. You are not going to get Opera support for Windows, and probably not Firefox, either. Thunderbird for Windows works just like Thunderbird for Linux. You can bet that Windows Thunderbird users aren't getting help with it either. The beauty of Open Source for its devotees is that they can use it and customize it however they want. They don't have to take defaults. You can use Ubuntu with Gnome or KDE, or xfce or Fluxbox or Windowmaker, whatever. You can use mail, pine, elm, mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution or Kmail. That is great for us. It is a nightmare to support cheaply. It isn't a plot. It's money. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 17:51:53 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:51:53 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability.  Is there > a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. > > Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option.  I would prefer > HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing lists. You probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be tolerated better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Fri Sep 26 17:59:46 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:59:46 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there >> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >> >> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would prefer >> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. > > It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing lists. You > probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be tolerated > better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. > True, many people on mailing lists will complain (maybe "most everyone I write emails to" did not include this list :) ), but in TB it's possible to set which recipients will only accept plain text. To configure this stuff: TB -> preferences -> composition -> general -> send options and there you see which domains accept (i.e. TB will send in a specific format) which format. I can't find a setting for having html as default format, however. HTH, I. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Sep 26 18:11:15 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:11:15 -0500 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DD130B.3010708@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <48DD130B.3010708@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DD25C3.4040807@swbell.net> On 09/26/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: > Dear Tom, > > Thanks for your help. Valter Mura gave me the solution. Apparently > I > was seeing without seeing. I thought I was so careful to check every > jot and tittle that I overlooked something that I actually knew all > the > time. I sometimes have to prove I can make stupider mistakes than > previously. You'd think at my age I would learn. I have taken so > much > time from so many kind people only to find I was careless. Thanks > again. > > Steven I'm glad it is working for you. Sometimes it's the simplest, stupidist, thing that will drive us right up a wall. Don't feel bad. I'm sure we have all been there. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 18:19:37 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:19:37 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <3713763.hvK0qzgvQ2@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DBEFA5.3010401@sbcglobal.net> <48DC052E.7040008@swbell.net> <48DC1D5E.2040203@sbcglobal.net> <3713763.hvK0qzgvQ2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48DD27B9.1000203@sbcglobal.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > >> Tycho Andersen gave the selfsame instruction. I cannot be any more >> careful. I checked slowly letter by letter, making sure no period was a >> comma. The configuration is correct. >> > > It's hard not to sound patronizing at this point, so I apologize in advance, > but you need to realize that, in fact, it's not possible that the > configuration is correct - you have something wrong. Now, not using > Thunderbird I can't tell you where the configurations are stored, but the > best thing you can do, is find the files where the data is kept, and > compare them (hoping that they're actually in clear text...). > Thanks Derek, You are right. I got the problem fixed. I must have overlooked the problem 50 times; I don't know how. Nonetheless, Valter Mura pointed out the embarrassing solution. I am sorry to have taken your time on this, but I probably have overlooked the problem another 50 or more times and still not seen it, if it hadn't been for him. It was obvious which made it embarrassing. Thanks for trying, you and many others have been very kind about this. Cordially, Steven Vollom From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Sep 26 18:26:02 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:26:02 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DD1C07.2050605@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> <48DD1C07.2050605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 26 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > Thank you Billie, > > I finally got the problem solved.  Valter Mura gave me a solution I > already knew and overlooked perhaps 50 times.  You are among several > that helped me solve the problem and I am grateful.  Best wishes to you > and yours.  Again, thanks! Hey Steven: Just a gentle heads up on list usage...... not really a complaint because you are really trying hard to do it right. When you solve a problem like your email problem, it is NOT really necessary to go back through all the replies (at least in my opinion) and thank each person individually. What's the best thing to do? Change the Subject line to be "Laptop email sending problem (SOLVED)" and post that email with the solution. And also thank all those in one shot who helped with the solution. Thus, everyone can read the solution and also the thanks in one shot. Some people have to pay for each email they download. This saves your time and their money. Just my $.02 From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 18:30:45 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:30:45 +0200 Subject: DVD and encryption error, a new look at why. In-Reply-To: <200809261906.51309.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200809261906.51309.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: > Now the question is, what is your assumption? > > 1) Update-manager was faulty when the link /dev/dvd -> /dev/hda > became /dev/dvd1 ->/dev/scd0. > > 2) Some people have used the unsupported upgrade path with another package > manager and that didn't take care of the problem. > > I think both are possible. When Hardy was released, a neighbour upgraded > several machines always using update-manager. IIRC he had the problem of > the broken link /dev/dvd1 -> /dev/scd0 on those machines. And people > using the unsupported path sure didn't know about the problem. > > > Nils My assumption was number 2. And that might be why it got some but not all the people. It could be that it did get all the people with just that sort of drive. I don't have data one way or the other to prove it. I think I upgraded using apt-get dist-upgrade. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 18:33:38 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:33:38 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <200809261328.17760.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <231219A8-9CB8-44B6-9A48-4254D5217886@gmail.com> <48DD17DF.9070609@sbcglobal.net> <200809261328.17760.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48DD2B02.9080609@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008 1:11:59 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> There are a few >> things wrong with a used laptop I bought and I am not a techie, and the >> model of laptop does not come up even when going to the Compaq site. It >> is an Evo N620c according to the indication of the laptop and is >> 1.8ghz. >> > > I have one of those Evo N610c's. I am going to guess that Compaq/HP did not > market or sell the 620 in the US, and you are being redirected to the US > portion of hp.com. > > You need to google the model and see where it was marketed and try going to > that portion of the HP site. > Thanks Art, I will try that. Talk to you later. Steven From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 18:48:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:48:02 +0300 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Message-ID: <880dece00809261148l4116b48dw3805ec237cb7bc98@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/26 Michael Salsman : > Steven, > > I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if you > still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can get great > information on what's inside the case with a utility called Belarc Advisor. > It's a free download for one machine, and can tell you all sorts of > information about the hardware, as well as the software, operating system > (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish someone would write a utility like that > for Linux. > What features does that program have that you cannot find in kinfocenter or with one of the command line utilities? Let's identify what is needed. > Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to start if you > already have Microsoft installed, and you are either getting ready to dump > it for a GOOD operating system, or at a minimum set it up for dual-booting. > Microsoft is not installed, it is a software company. And even on my Linux computer, I have Microsoft software installed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 19:13:12 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:13:12 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there >>> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >>> >>> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would prefer >>> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. >>> >> It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing lists. You >> probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be tolerated >> better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. >> >> > > True, many people on mailing lists will complain (maybe "most everyone I > write emails to" did not include this list :) ), but in TB it's possible > to set which recipients will only accept plain text. To configure this > stuff: > TB -> preferences -> composition -> general -> send options > and there you see which domains accept (i.e. TB will send in a specific > format) which format. I can't find a setting for having html as default > format, however. > HTH, > I. > > Thanks Ignozio, I will try that. I don't remember if I explained why, but mostly when I get help on the internet it involves referring back and forth to data received in an email. What I like is to either bold the print or italisize it so that it looks different from the sender. Then you can respond on a line next to the sender's content, and don't have to refer back to their email. Also, you don't forget to answer a question that was posed, because by answering within their email the reference is right in front of you. If you do that with the same print, it mixes together and becomes a mental problem separating the response from the question. Where I want to use it the most is where it is wanted least, I guess, so I guess I will have to pass on that idea. Thanks for the reply. See you later, friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 19:24:06 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:24:06 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48DD36D6.4080700@sbcglobal.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there >>> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >>> >>> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would prefer >>> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. >>> >> It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing lists. You >> probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be tolerated >> better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. >> >> > > True, many people on mailing lists will complain (maybe "most everyone I > write emails to" did not include this list :) ), but in TB it's possible > to set which recipients will only accept plain text. To configure this > stuff: > TB -> preferences -> composition -> general -> send options > and there you see which domains accept (i.e. TB will send in a specific > format) which format. I can't find a setting for having html as default > format, however. > HTH, > I. > > I, I looked for TB configuration send options; I couldn't find it in my version. TB 2.0.0.17 (20080925). That's OK though, I would rather not upset the regular membership with things that only interest me. I have spent enough of my life swimming up-stream. I haven't used abbreviations before but I will learn. S From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 19:58:51 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:58:51 -0400 Subject: System Information In-Reply-To: <880dece00809261148l4116b48dw3805ec237cb7bc98@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <1222384396.5905.4.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> <880dece00809261148l4116b48dw3805ec237cb7bc98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DD3EFB.3060704@sbcglobal.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/26 Michael Salsman : > >> Steven, >> >> I know that this would be considered going to the dark side, but if you >> still had a Windoze O/S still installed on that laptop, you can get great >> information on what's inside the case with a utility called Belarc Advisor. >> It's a free download for one machine, and can tell you all sorts of >> information about the hardware, as well as the software, operating system >> (as long as it's Microsoft). I wish someone would write a utility like that >> for Linux. >> >> > > What features does that program have that you cannot find in > kinfocenter or with one of the command line utilities? Let's identify > what is needed. > > >> Check out http://www.belarc.com .... It would be a good way to start if you >> already have Microsoft installed, and you are either getting ready to dump >> it for a GOOD operating system, or at a minimum set it up for dual-booting. >> >> > > Microsoft is not installed, it is a software company. And even on my > Linux computer, I have Microsoft software installed. > > It is not right for a person to be embarrassed this much on the same day. I remember looking at this the first day I installed Kubuntu. It was so confusing that I never went back. The good news is that it is not quite as confusing today. And the only thing missing that I could use right now is an identifier for the Motherboard. This has been one of my better days this past three years. I have gotten more help, learned more about how to use my system and finally have been able to use this forum. I hope to be able to contribute more from now on. Thanks again. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 20:04:32 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:04:32 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> <48DD1C07.2050605@sbcglobal.net> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48DD4050.6060304@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Thank you Billie, >> >> I finally got the problem solved. Valter Mura gave me a solution I >> already knew and overlooked perhaps 50 times. You are among several >> that helped me solve the problem and I am grateful. Best wishes to you >> and yours. Again, thanks! >> > > Hey Steven: > > Just a gentle heads up on list usage...... not really a complaint because you > are really trying hard to do it right. > > When you solve a problem like your email problem, it is NOT really necessary > to go back through all the replies (at least in my opinion) and thank each > person individually. > > What's the best thing to do? > > Change the Subject line to be "Laptop email sending problem (SOLVED)" and > post that email with the solution. And also thank all those in one shot who > helped with the solution. > > Thus, everyone can read the solution and also the thanks in one shot. > > Some people have to pay for each email they download. This saves your time > and their money. > > Just my $.02 > > Thanks so much for the info Bruce, I will answer this one and try to remember the process. I have always answered every email as a matter of respect to the sender. That is not the case with unwanted emails, but all were trying to help me and I have always felt it they can take the time I surely should. I agree with the sentiment and will try to remember. Please forgive me if it takes a little time, I am older now and a little forgetful and rely sometimes on patterns. But fear not I can and desire to change. I want to fit in and be useful. I am not the brightest bulb on the tree, but I am learning. I will always help those who are behind me on the learning curve, if that ever happens. Cordially, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 20:07:06 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:07:06 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> <48DD1C07.2050605@sbcglobal.net> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48DD40EA.9070107@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Thank you Billie, >> >> I finally got the problem solved. Valter Mura gave me a solution I >> already knew and overlooked perhaps 50 times. You are among several >> that helped me solve the problem and I am grateful. Best wishes to you >> and yours. Again, thanks! >> > > Hey Steven: > > Just a gentle heads up on list usage...... not really a complaint because you > are really trying hard to do it right. > > When you solve a problem like your email problem, it is NOT really necessary > to go back through all the replies (at least in my opinion) and thank each > person individually. > > What's the best thing to do? > > Change the Subject line to be "Laptop email sending problem (SOLVED)" and > post that email with the solution. And also thank all those in one shot who > helped with the solution. > > Thus, everyone can read the solution and also the thanks in one shot. > > Some people have to pay for each email they download. This saves your time > and their money. > > Just my $.02 > > Thanks to all of you who helped me work this problem. You can rely on me to help, when I am able. Steven Vollom, fine-artist retired From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Sep 26 21:13:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:13:25 -0300 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1287374.nIj5492xB0@cedar.serverforest.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there > a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. > Yeah, but please don't do it here... Actually, I don't know where that setting is in Thunderbird, but it _is_ there. For computer lists, it's almost always a _very_ bad idea to send HTML mail, as we get irritable :-) -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Sep 26 21:38:34 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:38:34 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DD4050.6060304@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48DD4050.6060304@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809261738.34327.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 26 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: >  Please forgive me if it takes a > little time, I am older now and a little forgetful and rely sometimes on > patterns.  But fear not I can and desire to change.   You're dealing with an old F.rt here that just turned 70. I'm sure you can do it.... :-) From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 05:58:03 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:58:03 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> On 26/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: > What I like is to either bold the print or > italisize it so that it looks different from the sender. Quote Color* extension might help. It works on both plain txt and html although I've never tested it much on the latter. Have a good look in the option tabs to set it to what is best for you. https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/170 -- lanzen From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 06:54:21 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:54:21 -0400 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> <48DBEB90.8020208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222498461.10763.119.camel@iam> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 22:08 +0200, Knapp wrote: > Bleeding edge for me is all in the 3d graphics department and I don't > see that being a problem. On the other hand I have always upgraded but > perhaps my upgrade to hardy will be my last for some time. I have > heard nothing about KDE 4 that makes me think of it as being ready for > the real world. It is really crazy of them to force Dolphine on people > when it is not yet stable and to make Konq use Dolphine as the file > browser makes me feel mad. This is the first time I have ever felt > that way about *Ubuntu. I remember feeling like that about Madrake > right before it flopped. As a very long time Red Hat fan, Fedora just sucked the wind out of me as I spent more time maintaining a "bleeding edge" platform that blew up routinely with an over night upgrade. I really had some important stuff to do, and none was getting done patching up overnight problems. But, if you just want bleeding edge on the desktop and enjoy that kinda thing, it's the place to be for an experienced user. It's murder on a newbie though. So, I finally switched to Kubuntu as I didn't want to be forced into KDE4 and am perfectly happy with KDE3. I'm finally getting devel stuff done, and that is what I want to do with my computer. Use it as a useful tool. I agree that KDE has to grow and evolve. No question about it. I just happen to like the fact that Kubuntu remains stable for a much longer period of time than a distro like Fedora. I also have CentOS on another partition, but since I need Sun's JDK instead of openjdk, Kubuntu wins hands down for native support. My two cents. And yes, once KDE4 settles down and matures, I'll use it. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 08:24:15 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:24:15 +0200 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: <1222498461.10763.119.camel@iam> References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <48DB9E51.6050701@swbell.net> <48DBA3BD.5050506@gmail.com> <48DBEB90.8020208@gmail.com> <1222498461.10763.119.camel@iam> Message-ID: >> Bleeding edge for me is all in the 3d graphics department and I don't >> see that being a problem. On the other hand I have always upgraded but >> perhaps my upgrade to hardy will be my last for some time. I have >> heard nothing about KDE 4 that makes me think of it as being ready for >> the real world. It is really crazy of them to force Dolphine on people >> when it is not yet stable and to make Konq use Dolphine as the file >> browser makes me feel mad. This is the first time I have ever felt >> that way about *Ubuntu. I remember feeling like that about Madrake >> right before it flopped. > > As a very long time Red Hat fan, Fedora just sucked the wind out of me > as I spent more time maintaining a "bleeding edge" platform that blew up > routinely with an over night upgrade. I really had some important stuff > to do, and none was getting done patching up overnight problems. But, if > you just want bleeding edge on the desktop and enjoy that kinda thing, > it's the place to be for an experienced user. It's murder on a newbie > though. So, I finally switched to Kubuntu as I didn't want to be forced > into KDE4 and am perfectly happy with KDE3. I'm finally getting devel > stuff done, and that is what I want to do with my computer. Use it as a > useful tool. I agree that KDE has to grow and evolve. No question about > it. I just happen to like the fact that Kubuntu remains stable for a > much longer period of time than a distro like Fedora. I also have CentOS > on another partition, but since I need Sun's JDK instead of openjdk, > Kubuntu wins hands down for native support. My two cents. And yes, once > KDE4 settles down and matures, I'll use it. Ric Agreed, when KDE4 runs ever major bit of software just as well as 3 but with less cpu usage and less memory usage and does it without me having to edit 20 files, I will switch also. If not then it is not an improvement. I don't like eye candy, well I like it for a about 60 minutes, after that I want to get work done. If it improves my work flow then I am all for it. If it improves beauty then that is good to but not at the cost of many cpu cycles or memory. My computer is a tool for doing things, the desktop is the bit for moving from tool to tool and maybe helping with the transfer of data. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 09:23:37 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: <1635422.DQxeuQeg00@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <698351.56475.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, thank you for answering --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > > 1) dhclient > > > > When I did network restart > > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart > > it said permission denied on > /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script. > > > > I did ls -al /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > > > -rwsr-xr-- 1 root ssh 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 > > /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script > > > > Why the h* it has permissions root:ssh > > You didn't actually install Kubuntu, fresh, did you? > You've upgraded from > Debian, which is likely to result in a fair number of > problems. False asumption - I did install clean kubuntu. I just said that I'm switching to kubuntu from debian - keeping my home-data and stuff - but I _did_ clean install > Particularly, your /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd and probably > /etc/group > & /etc/gpasswd are out of sync. this is based on the wrong assumption made above. It's there for not true. > > > 2. wlan > > After installation wireless worked fine. I've > installed a bunch of > > programs and now I can not activate the wlan trough > knetworkmanager. Why? > > > > I was previously able to switch on/off by the hardware > kill switch. What > > should I do to make it work I've been using the > old ipw3945 with ipw3945d, > > I don't know much about iwl*. I read that few > problems regarding this on > > dell notebooks will be solved in 2.6.27. > > > > When I use the software or hardware kill switch (and I > do this because I > > don't like wave transmissions around me) I have > permanent syslog messages > > like > > > > Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: iwl3945: Radio > disabled by HW RF Kill > > switch Sep 23 22:14:01 maistor kernel: ACPI: PCI > interrupt for device > > 0000:0c:00.0 disabled > > > > It seems that there is link missing to ACPI. How can I > get rid of it? > > No, it says that you disabled the device. That seems > perfectly reasonable. Hm, ok, but it's flooding my syslog. I don't want to see there this - may be I should reconfigure syslogd, though. What I mean is that the system should be knowing that I've disabled the device on purpose. > > > There are few systems that seem not to work smoothly > together like > > dbus/hal/acpi/ifplug(udev). So I think I am > over-challenged with this. > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > 3) shutdown/reboot > > When I reboot the system says sending TERM/KILL signal > and it stays so for > > about a minute. Why? > > Incorrectly written DSDT in the BIOS. Sorry, I don't > recall the fix but > it's an ACPI parameter in the grub boot settings. What is to be done? Which paramter? > > > 4) dual monitor layout > > Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid 3d > limitation of screen size > > and when using two monitors there is no 3d > acceleration I observed > > following. > > Cheap hardware gives cheap results. I can live with those > limitations. I > don't even know if the Intel graphics can do that in > Vista, but certainly > not in X. Well, where is this magic kde setting written, so that new user gets monitors automatically configured and old users do not? > > > Who is responsible to extend the functionallity of the > krandrtray, so a > > user can say use two desktops - I'm really missing > it. Also a feature for > > screen A left/right of screen B would be fine. Screen > here is monitor of > > course. > > I have that with my laptop and a 945 graphics card. System > Settings - > Monitor and Display. How do you proceed there? I'm command line user and do it with xrandr as I said, what I'm looking for is a setting to make it permanentloy working. Thanks for the response again. I would be glad to have definite answers that can help me fix the things I don't like regards From deloptes at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 09:25:10 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <941256.19533.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok thanks, wil try the ubuntu list. --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Knapp wrote: > From: Knapp > Subject: Re: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions > > I can't answer your questions but if you get no answer > here try the > Ubuntu list because a lot of this is not KDE specific and > even when it > is people there often know the answers. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp From art.alexion at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 13:24:20 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:24:20 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> Message-ID: It has been years since I used thunderbird, but I recall a setting where mail composed with formatting was sent as HTML but those without were sent as plain text. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is >>> there >>> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >>> >>> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would >>> prefer >>> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. >> >> It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing lists. >> You >> probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be >> tolerated >> better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. >> > > True, many people on mailing lists will complain (maybe "most > everyone I > write emails to" did not include this list :) ), but in TB it's > possible > to set which recipients will only accept plain text. To configure this > stuff: > TB -> preferences -> composition -> general -> send options > and there you see which domains accept (i.e. TB will send in a > specific > format) which format. I can't find a setting for having html as > default > format, however. > HTH, > I. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 13:43:42 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:43:42 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <66E26AD3-B2FB-47E7-BA05-97C0FA6877DA@gmail.com> Steven, If I recall correctly, thunderbird inserts '>' in front of quoted lines, so readers should have no problem distinguishing your response from the quote. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 26, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: >> >>> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>>> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. >>>> Is there >>>> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >>>> >>>> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would >>>> prefer >>>> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. >>>> >>> It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing >>> lists. You >>> probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be >>> tolerated >>> better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. >>> >>> >> >> True, many people on mailing lists will complain (maybe "most >> everyone I >> write emails to" did not include this list :) ), but in TB it's >> possible >> to set which recipients will only accept plain text. To configure >> this >> stuff: >> TB -> preferences -> composition -> general -> send options >> and there you see which domains accept (i.e. TB will send in a >> specific >> format) which format. I can't find a setting for having html as >> default >> format, however. >> HTH, >> I. >> >> Thanks Ignozio, > I will try that. I don't remember if I explained why, but mostly > when I > get help on the internet it involves referring back and forth to data > received in an email. What I like is to either bold the print or > italisize it so that it looks different from the sender. Then you can > respond on a line next to the sender's content, and don't have to > refer > back to their email. Also, you don't forget to answer a question that > was posed, because by answering within their email the reference is > right in front of you. If you do that with the same print, it mixes > together and becomes a mental problem separating the response from the > question. > > Where I want to use it the most is where it is wanted least, I > guess, so > I guess I will have to pass on that idea. > > Thanks for the reply. See you later, friend. > Steven > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Sat Sep 27 13:48:21 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:48:21 +0200 Subject: System Information - dmidecode In-Reply-To: <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> > Try > > sudo dmidecode > > I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it is > universal or Dell specific. Wow, damn, cool, didn't know this one thanks. Works on a custom non-Dell box btw. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Sep 27 14:30:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:30:43 -0300 Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions References: <1635422.DQxeuQeg00@cedar.serverforest.com> <698351.56475.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4565399.DS1gjYXzUR@cedar.serverforest.com> Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > Hi, thank you for answering >> > I did ls -al /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script >> > >> > -rwsr-xr-- 1 root ssh 2960 2008-04-02 15:38 >> > /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script >> > >> > Why the h* it has permissions root:ssh >> >> You didn't actually install Kubuntu, fresh, did you? >> You've upgraded from >> Debian, which is likely to result in a fair number of >> problems. > > False asumption - I did install clean kubuntu. I just said that I'm > switching to kubuntu from debian - keeping my home-data and stuff - but I > _did_ clean install It's not an assumption, it's a guess based on insufficient data from you. Quite simply, I can imagine no way that can happen - and I have enough experience to have done it myself - without restoring a /etc/passwd file from another system. > >> Particularly, your /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd and probably >> /etc/group >> & /etc/gpasswd are out of sync. > > this is based on the wrong assumption made above. It's there for not true. whatever. >> Incorrectly written DSDT in the BIOS. Sorry, I don't >> recall the fix but >> it's an ACPI parameter in the grub boot settings. > > What is to be done? Which paramter? For heaven's sake - google! Why should _we_ have to be able to dredge it up - it's common and well known. >> >> > 4) dual monitor layout >> > Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid 3d >> limitation of screen size >> > and when using two monitors there is no 3d >> acceleration I observed >> > following. >> >> Cheap hardware gives cheap results. I can live with those >> limitations. I >> don't even know if the Intel graphics can do that in >> Vista, but certainly >> not in X. > > Well, where is this magic kde setting written, so that new user gets > monitors automatically configured and old users do not? That's got nothing to do with the above. Intel can't do 3D on dual monitors in X for new or old users. > >> >> > Who is responsible to extend the functionallity of the >> krandrtray, so a >> > user can say use two desktops - I'm really missing >> it. Also a feature for >> > screen A left/right of screen B would be fine. Screen >> here is monitor of >> > course. >> >> I have that with my laptop and a 945 graphics card. System >> Settings - >> Monitor and Display. > > How do you proceed there? I'm command line user and do it with xrandr as I > said, what I'm looking for is a setting to make it permanentloy working. How can you be complaining about lack of functionality in KDE, and then complaining that I tell you how to make the settings in KDE? While I usually give command line solutions for things that can be done appropriately at the command line, just because they're so much easier to demonstrate completely in a text medium, this is a KDE issue, so use the KDE System Settings. -- derek From wjsme at hughes.net Sat Sep 27 15:04:17 2008 From: wjsme at hughes.net (W J Seidl) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:04:17 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48DE4B71.7040506@hughes.net> Art Alexion wrote: > It has been years since I used thunderbird, but I recall a setting > where mail composed with formatting was sent as HTML but those without > were sent as plain text. > > -- > > Art Alexion > Art and all: In the latest versions of T-bird, you can select which you want to send, either plain text, HTML, or both. This depends on which version you "elect" to send to specific recipients. I never selected either for most of the people in my address book. As a result, T-bird gives me a popup window when I hit "send" that asks which I would prefer...plain text, plain text _and_ HTML, or HTML only. Also, you are correct. When one hits "reply" all quoted text appears with a ">" in front of each line. Tools and options (I don't remember which) allow you to select replying above or below quoted text. Best, Wayne Seidl From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 16:00:03 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:00:03 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <200809261738.34327.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48DD4050.6060304@sbcglobal.net> <200809261738.34327.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48DE5883.4030500@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Please forgive me if it takes a >> little time, I am older now and a little forgetful and rely sometimes on >> patterns. But fear not I can and desire to change. >> > > You're dealing with an old F.rt here that just turned 70. > > I'm sure you can do it.... :-) > > Thanks Bruce. From temps.jo at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 16:37:17 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:37:17 +0200 Subject: System Information - dmidecode In-Reply-To: <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: It work fine on Dell dimension 5150 2008/9/27 Dexter Filmore > > Try > > > > sudo dmidecode > > > > I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it > is > > universal or Dell specific. > > Wow, damn, cool, didn't know this one thanks. Works on a custom non-Dell > box > btw. > > > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- > w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ > b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ It work fine on Dell dimension 5150 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msalsman at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 17:00:32 2008 From: msalsman at yahoo.com (Michael Salsman) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:00:32 -0500 Subject: System Information - dmidecode In-Reply-To: <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1222534832.6575.2.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Dexter, My earlier comment on a Windows based tool was simply because I did not know that a utility like this existed under Linux. This is exactly what I thought was missing. BTW, works great on a Dell Latitude D600 laptop. Mike On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 15:48 +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote: > > Try > > > > sudo dmidecode > > > > I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it is > > universal or Dell specific. > > Wow, damn, cool, didn't know this one thanks. Works on a custom non-Dell box > btw. > > > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- > w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ > b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sat Sep 27 17:46:06 2008 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:46:06 +0300 Subject: System Information - dmidecode In-Reply-To: <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <48DE715E.6010603@prayingforisrael.net> Dexter Filmore wrote: >> Try >> >> sudo dmidecode >> >> I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know if it is >> universal or Dell specific. > > Wow, damn, cool, didn't know this one thanks. Works on a custom non-Dell box > btw. > > Just one caveat: "More often than not, information contained in the DMI tables is inaccurate, incomplete or simply wrong." Taken from: http://linux.die.net/man/8/dmidecode Blessings, Nigel -- From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 18:49:21 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:49:21 -0400 Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: <698351.56475.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1635422.DQxeuQeg00@cedar.serverforest.com> <698351.56475.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0809271149m3b4d443bwcce8c5b009d59bee@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > You've upgraded from > > Debian, which is likely to result in a fair number of > > problems. > > False asumption - I did install clean kubuntu. I just said that I'm > switching to kubuntu from debian - keeping my home-data and stuff - but I > _did_ clean install > You do have to be careful keep your home from one system to another. Folders like your ".kde" folder might have very different settings than needed for your current system. Try all this with a new user, to see if there is something in your own home folder messing things up. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 18:55:15 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:55:15 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DE8193.7000801@sbcglobal.net> lanzen wrote: > On 26/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: > > >> What I like is to either bold the print or >> italisize it so that it looks different from the sender. >> > > Quote Color* extension might help. It works on both plain txt and html > although I've never tested it much on the latter. Have a good look in > the option tabs to set it to what is best for you. > > https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/170 > > Thanks friend Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 19:03:55 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:03:55 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> Michael wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there >> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >> >> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would prefer >> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. >> >> Steven >> >> > > Steven, > > If the recipient of the email you are sending is already in your address book, you will need to change that setting in your address book. In other words, it is a per recipient option. Now, if you are composing is not in your address book, there is (probably) a default option for that as well. Where that particular option is set, I do not know. I am sure someone will have that information and post it. > > I see one of the replies has already mentioned not posting HTML in most (technical) lists. Since you will probably have the email address of the list in your address book, again, that is where you would set that option. > > Hope this helps. > > Michael > > > Dear Michael, I have decided to join those who do not use HTML. That seems the best solution, because my intent was to use *Bold* and /Italic /to make responses of help in forum business. I thought that by using one or the other, I could answer a comment right next to their statement so they wouldn't have to search for it. Also, if there were several notes to be remembered in an email, they could be addressed as they were read. It just seemed like it would be easier. But I would rather not create waves if there are some that don't like it. Thanks again for the help. By the way, I posted this issue as resolved. I understand some pay per email just to respond. I don't want that to happen to those kind folks that don't realize I have solved my problem. Great to hear from you though, and thanks again! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 19:10:33 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:10:33 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <48DCF982.4050305@swbell.net> <48DD1C07.2050605@sbcglobal.net> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48DE8529.2080706@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Thank you Billie, >> >> I finally got the problem solved. Valter Mura gave me a solution I >> already knew and overlooked perhaps 50 times. You are among several >> that helped me solve the problem and I am grateful. Best wishes to you >> and yours. Again, thanks! >> > > Hey Steven: > > Just a gentle heads up on list usage...... not really a complaint because you > are really trying hard to do it right. > > When you solve a problem like your email problem, it is NOT really necessary > to go back through all the replies (at least in my opinion) and thank each > person individually. > > What's the best thing to do? > > Change the Subject line to be "Laptop email sending problem (SOLVED)" and > post that email with the solution. And also thank all those in one shot who > helped with the solution. > > Thus, everyone can read the solution and also the thanks in one shot. > > Some people have to pay for each email they download. This saves your time > and their money. > > Just my $.02 > > Dear Bruce, I thought I did that after receiving this same email from you. I clicked the reply button and included the word [solved] in the subject line at the end of the subject. I am still receiving lots of emails, and I don't know what to do. Should I have created a new email and put the problem in the Subject box then include [solved], or was the reply method OK. I surely don't want to anger you after trying to help me. As soon as I figure this out, I will comply faithfully. Other than that, I am answering those who still try to help. I am so very grateful for the help and do not wish to seem thoughtless. Thanks again friend, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 19:13:40 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:13:40 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48DE85E4.90903@sbcglobal.net> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Friday 26 September 2008 1:40:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Most everyone I write emails to has HTML receiving capability. Is there >>> a way to make HTML the default when writing an email. >>> >>> Each time I send, I have to click on the HTML option. I would prefer >>> HTML then the ability to chose the other selections. >>> >> It is best if you do not use HTML mail on technical mailing lists. You >> probably shouldn't use it on any mailing list, but it will be tolerated >> better on, say, a motorcycle list, than a Linux list. >> >> > > True, many people on mailing lists will complain (maybe "most everyone I > write emails to" did not include this list :) ), but in TB it's possible > to set which recipients will only accept plain text. To configure this > stuff: > TB -> preferences -> composition -> general -> send options > and there you see which domains accept (i.e. TB will send in a specific > format) which format. I can't find a setting for having html as default > format, however. > HTH, > I. > > Dear Ignazio, Great to hear from you again. I think it is default in Thunderbird, so I don't have to change anything to comply with everyone else. I put a problem solved email on this issue. I hope you don't have to pay by the email like some who respond. Cordially, friend, Steven From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Sep 27 19:22:19 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:22:19 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <48DE8529.2080706@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48DE8529.2080706@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809271522.20052.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 27 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > I thought I did that after receiving this same email from you.  I > clicked the reply button and included the word [solved] in the subject > line at the end of the subject.  I am still receiving lots of emails, > and I don't know what to do.  Should I have created a new email and put > the problem in the Subject box then include [solved], or was the reply > method OK.  I surely don't want to anger you after trying to help me.   > As soon as I figure this out, I will comply faithfully.  Other than > that, I am answering those who still try to help.  I am so very grateful > for the help and do not wish to seem thoughtless.  Thanks again friend, Hee... horns of a dilemma... You have to realize that many people don't read the lists regularly but may only do 'catch up' once a week or even more. If you have put out the 'solved' message, than I would ignore any other responses unless they have something added of real value. They'll see the solved message and realize you no longer have the problem. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 19:35:07 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:35:07 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE5B0A.1050807@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> <48DE5B0A.1050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> Michael wrote: > lanzen wrote: > >> On 26/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: >> >> >> >>> What I like is to either bold the print or >>> italisize it so that it looks different from the sender. >>> >>> >> Quote Color* extension might help. It works on both plain txt and html >> although I've never tested it much on the latter. Have a good look in >> the option tabs to set it to what is best for you. >> >> https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/170 >> >> > > Just installed this addon - it is great! Thanks to whoever posted it. > > > Dear Lanzen, > Is quote color a Linux package? It opened in Kate, but I don't know how to install a downloaded package unless I download it using Adept Package Manager or Synaptic Package Manager. It doesn't come up when I look there. Is there code that will get and install it for me, like sudo apt-get install and an address or something? Thanks! It looks great. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 19:36:14 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:36:14 -0400 Subject: Laptop email sending problem In-Reply-To: <200809271522.20052.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DC8C58.6020704@cfl.rr.com> <200809261426.02838.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48DE8529.2080706@sbcglobal.net> <200809271522.20052.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48DE8B2E.9000305@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 27 September 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I thought I did that after receiving this same email from you. I >> clicked the reply button and included the word [solved] in the subject >> line at the end of the subject. I am still receiving lots of emails, >> and I don't know what to do. Should I have created a new email and put >> the problem in the Subject box then include [solved], or was the reply >> method OK. I surely don't want to anger you after trying to help me. >> As soon as I figure this out, I will comply faithfully. Other than >> that, I am answering those who still try to help. I am so very grateful >> for the help and do not wish to seem thoughtless. Thanks again friend, >> > > Hee... horns of a dilemma... > > You have to realize that many people don't read the lists regularly but may > only do 'catch up' once a week or even more. > > If you have put out the 'solved' message, than I would ignore any other > responses unless they have something added of real value. > > They'll see the solved message and realize you no longer have the problem. > > I guess I did OK then. Thanks. I get it right now, I think. No need respond. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Sep 27 19:39:20 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:39:20 -0700 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809271239.21011.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:03:55 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > I have decided to join those who do not use HTML. Welcome! There is MUCH less pollution of the bandwidth that way! Note the actual size of this message, in HTML it would have been at least three times as large with exactly the same content! > That seems the best > solution, because my intent was to use *Bold* and /Italic /to make > responses of help in forum business. I thought that by using one or the > other, I could answer a comment right next to their statement so they > wouldn't have to search for it. This can be done and in fact is done all the time to make responses easy to follow and to answer multiple questions in a single e-mail. > Also, if there were several notes to be > remembered in an email, they could be addressed as they were read. It > just seemed like it would be easier. It IS easier, for both the reader and the writer when the answers directly follow the question. Few of us can answer questions before they are asked, so why try to write that way? > But I would rather not create waves if there are some that don't like it. It is done not to be different but to make it easier to follow multiple conversations. > I understand some pay per > email just to respond. I don't want that to happen to those kind folks > that don't realize I have solved my problem. The best way to do that is to trim out those parts which you are not answering! That way it keeps each message focused and to the point! I went over the top on this e-mail just for example, but did you find it hard to determine what you wrote and what I wrote? Did you find it difficult to follow the meaning of the message? This was written using a standard KMail but should be able to be read by any e-mail client out there. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 19:44:25 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:44:25 -0400 Subject: Lost Kmenu bar while installing router. Message-ID: <48DE8D19.6010406@sbcglobal.net> I just got help from a friend setting the configuration on the installation of my new router. It worked fine; my laptop was able to connect wirelessly. Nonetheless, just moments before he had to leave, the Kmenu disappeared from my screen and will not reappear. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 Desktop. I set the Kmenu bar at the top of my screen. I set it to only appear when I put the cursor in the upper left corner of the window; it would then drop down. I was able, by right-clicking on the desktop, to get a 'find' option and typed in thunderbird and my email client appeared. I did the same with success with firefox, however when I attempted to open adept, my package manager, it would not open. I was attempting to remove then reinstall the Kmenu package. I am unable to open a terminal either, but even if able, I am too inexperienced to know what to type in to correct the problem. Any ideas please? TIA Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 20:10:06 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:10:06 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200809271239.21011.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> <200809271239.21011.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <48DE931E.5030001@sbcglobal.net> Pastor JW wrote: > On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:03:55 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I have decided to join those who do not use HTML. >> > > Welcome! There is MUCH less pollution of the bandwidth that way! Note the > actual size of this message, in HTML it would have been at least three times > as large with exactly the same content! > > >> That seems the best >> solution, because my intent was to use *Bold* and /Italic /to make >> responses of help in forum business. I thought that by using one or the >> other, I could answer a comment right next to their statement so they >> wouldn't have to search for it. >> > > This can be done and in fact is done all the time to make responses easy to > follow and to answer multiple questions in a single e-mail. > > >> Also, if there were several notes to be >> remembered in an email, they could be addressed as they were read. It >> just seemed like it would be easier. >> > > It IS easier, for both the reader and the writer when the answers directly > follow the question. Few of us can answer questions before they are asked, > so why try to write that way? > > >> But I would rather not create waves if there are some that don't like it. >> > > It is done not to be different but to make it easier to follow multiple > conversations. > > >> I understand some pay per >> email just to respond. I don't want that to happen to those kind folks >> that don't realize I have solved my problem. >> > > The best way to do that is to trim out those parts which you are not > answering! That way it keeps each message focused and to the point! I went > over the top on this e-mail just for example, but did you find it hard to > determine what you wrote and what I wrote? Did you find it difficult to > follow the meaning of the message? This was written using a standard KMail > but should be able to be read by any e-mail client out there. > > > > Dear Pastor JW, Christian? I am. I use thunderbird. I had trouble with kmail when I first tried to use it. I notice there are some color bars to the left of the comments, is that done automatically? It appears a great way to solve my desired result. Mostly, I want to show respect and consideration when posting. I am trying to learn some of the abbreviations too to shorten my comments. I lack confidence in my wording and get a little wordy. I will try to learn shorter ways to say what I want. I prefer not to anger anyone with my inexperience. I am going to close as I would with my children and friends; if you are not a Christian, I mean no disrespect. In CHRIST, Steven From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 20:19:34 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:19:34 +0300 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE931E.5030001@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> <200809271239.21011.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48DE931E.5030001@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DE9556.5070305@gmail.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Pastor JW wrote: >> On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:03:55 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> I have decided to join those who do not use HTML. >>> >> Welcome! There is MUCH less pollution of the bandwidth that way! Note the >> actual size of this message, in HTML it would have been at least three times >> as large with exactly the same content! >> >> >>> That seems the best >>> solution, because my intent was to use *Bold* and /Italic /to make >>> responses of help in forum business. I thought that by using one or the >>> other, I could answer a comment right next to their statement so they >>> wouldn't have to search for it. >>> >> This can be done and in fact is done all the time to make responses easy to >> follow and to answer multiple questions in a single e-mail. >> >> >>> Also, if there were several notes to be >>> remembered in an email, they could be addressed as they were read. It >>> just seemed like it would be easier. >>> >> It IS easier, for both the reader and the writer when the answers directly >> follow the question. Few of us can answer questions before they are asked, >> so why try to write that way? >> >> >>> But I would rather not create waves if there are some that don't like it. >>> >> >> It is done not to be different but to make it easier to follow multiple >> conversations. >> >> >>> I understand some pay per >>> email just to respond. I don't want that to happen to those kind folks >>> that don't realize I have solved my problem. >>> >> The best way to do that is to trim out those parts which you are not >> answering! That way it keeps each message focused and to the point! I went >> over the top on this e-mail just for example, but did you find it hard to >> determine what you wrote and what I wrote? Did you find it difficult to >> follow the meaning of the message? This was written using a standard KMail >> but should be able to be read by any e-mail client out there. >> >> >> >> > Dear Pastor JW, > > Christian? I am. I use thunderbird. I had trouble with kmail when I > first tried to use it. I notice there are some color bars to the left > of the comments, is that done automatically? It appears a great way to > solve my desired result. Mostly, I want to show respect and > consideration when posting. I am trying to learn some of the > abbreviations too to shorten my comments. I lack confidence in my > wording and get a little wordy. I will try to learn shorter ways to say > what I want. I prefer not to anger anyone with my inexperience. > > I am going to close as I would with my children and friends; if you are > not a Christian, I mean no disrespect. > > In CHRIST, > Steven > this is called quoting. when in thunderbird you right click a message and click reply, reply to all, or reply to sender only, you would notice that in the newly opened compose window, there is the message you are going to reply to, but all lines are now preceded by > symbol. this means that the line is a quote. you can create spaces between the lines of the quoted message, and insert your comments there. this also works in almost all types of email clients, and even web based email. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > set it to only appear when I put the cursor in the upper left corner of > the window; it would then drop down. I was able, by right-clicking on > the desktop, to get a 'find' option and typed in thunderbird and my > email client appeared. I did the same with success with firefox, > however when I attempted to open adept, my package manager, it would not > open. I was attempting to remove then reinstall the Kmenu package. I > am unable to open a terminal either, but even if able, I am too > inexperienced to know what to type in to correct the problem. Any ideas > please? TIA > I assume you mean that the panel containing the kmenu won't appear. This has happened to me. What I did was press to get the "run command" dialog, and ran the command "kcontrol" to get the kde control center. In the control center click on desktop and then panels. Then click on the hiding tab, select "only hide when a panel-hiding button is clicked", then click on "apply". The panel should appear. Then set things back to the way you want them and click "apply" again. HTH Karl From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 20:32:41 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:32:41 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE9556.5070305@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> <200809271239.21011.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48DE931E.5030001@sbcglobal.net> <48DE9556.5070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DE9869.1050405@sbcglobal.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Pastor JW wrote: >> >>> On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:03:55 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I have decided to join those who do not use HTML. >>>> >>>> >>> Welcome! There is MUCH less pollution of the bandwidth that way! Note the >>> actual size of this message, in HTML it would have been at least three times >>> as large with exactly the same content! >>> >>> >>> >>>> That seems the best >>>> solution, because my intent was to use *Bold* and /Italic /to make >>>> responses of help in forum business. I thought that by using one or the >>>> other, I could answer a comment right next to their statement so they >>>> wouldn't have to search for it. >>>> >>>> >>> This can be done and in fact is done all the time to make responses easy to >>> follow and to answer multiple questions in a single e-mail. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Also, if there were several notes to be >>>> remembered in an email, they could be addressed as they were read. It >>>> just seemed like it would be easier. >>>> >>>> >>> It IS easier, for both the reader and the writer when the answers directly >>> follow the question. Few of us can answer questions before they are asked, >>> so why try to write that way? >>> >>> >>> >>>> But I would rather not create waves if there are some that don't like it. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> It is done not to be different but to make it easier to follow multiple >>> conversations. >>> >>> >>> >>>> I understand some pay per >>>> email just to respond. I don't want that to happen to those kind folks >>>> that don't realize I have solved my problem. >>>> >>>> >>> The best way to do that is to trim out those parts which you are not >>> answering! That way it keeps each message focused and to the point! I went >>> over the top on this e-mail just for example, but did you find it hard to >>> determine what you wrote and what I wrote? Did you find it difficult to >>> follow the meaning of the message? This was written using a standard KMail >>> but should be able to be read by any e-mail client out there. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Pastor JW, >> >> Christian? I am. I use thunderbird. I had trouble with kmail when I >> first tried to use it. I notice there are some color bars to the left >> of the comments, is that done automatically? It appears a great way to >> solve my desired result. Mostly, I want to show respect and >> consideration when posting. I am trying to learn some of the >> abbreviations too to shorten my comments. I lack confidence in my >> wording and get a little wordy. I will try to learn shorter ways to say >> what I want. I prefer not to anger anyone with my inexperience. >> >> I am going to close as I would with my children and friends; if you are >> not a Christian, I mean no disrespect. >> >> In CHRIST, >> Steven >> >> > > this is called quoting. when in thunderbird you right click a message > and click reply, reply to all, or reply to sender only, you would notice > that in the newly opened compose window, there is the message you are > going to reply to, but all lines are now preceded by > symbol. this > means that the line is a quote. you can create spaces between the lines > of the quoted message, and insert your comments there. this also works > in almost all types of email clients, and even web based email. > > Thank you Willie, I have never right clicked and seen that option when replying to an email from anyone. That is just great. I expect that this email is just directed to you only, as intended. You are very kind to help me this way. I will use it from now on. Cordially, Steven From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 20:47:51 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:47:51 +0300 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE9869.1050405@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DD3037.9020709@gmail.com> <48DE839B.5040208@sbcglobal.net> <200809271239.21011.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <48DE931E.5030001@sbcglobal.net> <48DE9556.5070305@gmail.com> <48DE9869.1050405@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DE9BF7.2090501@gmail.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> >>> Pastor JW wrote: >>> >>>> On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:03:55 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have decided to join those who do not use HTML. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Welcome! There is MUCH less pollution of the bandwidth that way! Note the >>>> actual size of this message, in HTML it would have been at least three times >>>> as large with exactly the same content! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That seems the best >>>>> solution, because my intent was to use *Bold* and /Italic /to make >>>>> responses of help in forum business. I thought that by using one or the >>>>> other, I could answer a comment right next to their statement so they >>>>> wouldn't have to search for it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> This can be done and in fact is done all the time to make responses easy to >>>> follow and to answer multiple questions in a single e-mail. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Also, if there were several notes to be >>>>> remembered in an email, they could be addressed as they were read. It >>>>> just seemed like it would be easier. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It IS easier, for both the reader and the writer when the answers directly >>>> follow the question. Few of us can answer questions before they are asked, >>>> so why try to write that way? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> But I would rather not create waves if there are some that don't like it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is done not to be different but to make it easier to follow multiple >>>> conversations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I understand some pay per >>>>> email just to respond. I don't want that to happen to those kind folks >>>>> that don't realize I have solved my problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The best way to do that is to trim out those parts which you are not >>>> answering! That way it keeps each message focused and to the point! I went >>>> over the top on this e-mail just for example, but did you find it hard to >>>> determine what you wrote and what I wrote? Did you find it difficult to >>>> follow the meaning of the message? This was written using a standard KMail >>>> but should be able to be read by any e-mail client out there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Pastor JW, >>> >>> Christian? I am. I use thunderbird. I had trouble with kmail when I >>> first tried to use it. I notice there are some color bars to the left >>> of the comments, is that done automatically? It appears a great way to >>> solve my desired result. Mostly, I want to show respect and >>> consideration when posting. I am trying to learn some of the >>> abbreviations too to shorten my comments. I lack confidence in my >>> wording and get a little wordy. I will try to learn shorter ways to say >>> what I want. I prefer not to anger anyone with my inexperience. >>> >>> I am going to close as I would with my children and friends; if you are >>> not a Christian, I mean no disrespect. >>> >>> In CHRIST, >>> Steven >>> >>> >> this is called quoting. when in thunderbird you right click a message >> and click reply, reply to all, or reply to sender only, you would notice >> that in the newly opened compose window, there is the message you are >> going to reply to, but all lines are now preceded by > symbol. this >> means that the line is a quote. you can create spaces between the lines >> of the quoted message, and insert your comments there. this also works >> in almost all types of email clients, and even web based email. >> >> > Thank you Willie, > > I have never right clicked and seen that option when replying to an > email from anyone. That is just great. I expect that this email is > just directed to you only, as intended. You are very kind to help me > this way. I will use it from now on. > Cordially, > Steven > actually, it got sent to the list :P i assume you clicked reply to sender only? in this case the sender is actually kubuntu-users at list.ubuntu.com , you can of course notice this in the To: field at the top of the compose window cheers -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 20:50:47 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:50:47 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> <48DE5B0A.1050807@gmail.com> <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> On 27/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: > Is quote color a Linux package? Well, no... it's a Thunderbird extension. In Thunderbird go to Tools -> Extensions (roughly translated, sorry). Then you have to install it by giving the path to where it was downloaded or by simple drag and drop on to the extensions window. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 20:53:34 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:53:34 +0300 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> <48DE5B0A.1050807@gmail.com> <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DE9D4E.2020608@gmail.com> lanzen wrote: > On 27/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Is quote color a Linux package? > > Well, no... it's a Thunderbird extension. > > In Thunderbird go to Tools -> Extensions (roughly translated, sorry). > Then you have to install it by giving the path to where it was > downloaded or by simple drag and drop on to the extensions window. > > it's tools-->add-ons actually ;) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Sep 27 22:24:06 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:24:06 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> Message-ID: <200809271824.06306.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 27 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > I have an HP LaserJet 1020 which I want to use for several computers. I > have it attached to a print server on my network. I can ping the print > server just fine, and I installed it using CUPS. When I try to print a > test page I get this error: > > Unable to write print data: Broken pipe > > I Googled this error, but so far all I have found is a lot of other > people who got it, but not much in the way of solutions. Any idea where > I can go with this next? Most print servers use a special port for the printer, particularly if the server will control more than one printer. Have you checked in great detail just how to use the print server? For example, I have a print server that will handle two printers, and the ports than it uses are 4010 and 4020 and the network address is 192.168.0.12. You will need both the port number and ip address to access the print. That's the best I can do with the information you have provided. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Sep 28 01:38:38 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:38:38 -0700 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809271838.38999.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 27 September 2008 1:50:47 pm lanzen wrote: > On 27/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: > > Is quote color a Linux package? > > Well, no... it's a Thunderbird extension. > > In Thunderbird go to Tools -> Extensions (roughly translated, sorry). > Then you have to install it by giving the path to where it was > downloaded or by simple drag and drop on to the extensions window. Is it similar to K-mail's different quote colors for each different person quoted in the message? From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 03:00:47 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:00:47 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE9D4E.2020608@gmail.com> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> <48DE5B0A.1050807@gmail.com> <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> <48DE9D4E.2020608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DEF35F.8090802@sbcglobal.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > lanzen wrote: > >> On 27/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: >> >> >>> Is quote color a Linux package? >>> >> Well, no... it's a Thunderbird extension. >> >> In Thunderbird go to Tools -> Extensions (roughly translated, sorry). >> Then you have to install it by giving the path to where it was >> downloaded or by simple drag and drop on to the extensions window. >> >> >> > > it's tools-->add-ons actually ;) > > Dear Willy, That was great. Not only does it work good, I learned a way to install plugins that was unfamiliar to me. What a wonderful day this is. Please consider your advice taken and in use. I am not going to include this as a problem solved, because you introduced the solution separately and I have already posted the problem as solved. I was going to just use the default settings and forget about it, but now I have this solution that is just great. Thanks so very much, my friend. I hope we connect again sometime. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 03:13:10 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:13:10 -0400 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. Message-ID: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> I am on so much I appologize, but this has been an unresolved problem for a long time. When I receive an email that has a link included, and I am told to click on the link, the link never functions for me. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 Thunderbird 2.0.0.1.6 (20080724) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092313 Firefox/3.0.2. To go to the link location, I have been copying the link location, opening the browser, highlighting the Address line and pasting the address. Years ago, when I was using XP, I could just click on a link sent in an email and it would open the browser to the correct address. Is this something I can have happen with my present system. TIA for help Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 03:21:18 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:21:18 -0400 Subject: Lost Kmenu bar while installing router. (RESOLVED) In-Reply-To: <48DE983A.7070906@fastmail.fm> References: <48DE8D19.6010406@sbcglobal.net> <48DE983A.7070906@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <48DEF82E.5030503@sbcglobal.net> Karl Klinger wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I just got help from a friend setting the configuration on the >> installation of my new router. It worked fine; my laptop was able to >> connect wirelessly. Nonetheless, just moments before he had to leave, >> the Kmenu disappeared from my screen and will not reappear. Kubuntu >> 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 Desktop. I set the Kmenu bar at the top of my screen. I >> set it to only appear when I put the cursor in the upper left corner of >> the window; it would then drop down. I was able, by right-clicking on >> the desktop, to get a 'find' option and typed in thunderbird and my >> email client appeared. I did the same with success with firefox, >> however when I attempted to open adept, my package manager, it would not >> open. I was attempting to remove then reinstall the Kmenu package. I >> am unable to open a terminal either, but even if able, I am too >> inexperienced to know what to type in to correct the problem. Any ideas >> please? TIA >> >> > I assume you mean that the panel containing the kmenu won't appear. > This has happened to me. What I did was press to get the "run > command" dialog, and ran the command "kcontrol" to get the kde control > center. In the control center click on desktop and then panels. Then > click on the hiding tab, select "only hide when a panel-hiding button is > clicked", then click on "apply". The panel should appear. Then set > things back to the way you want them and click "apply" again. HTH > > Karl > > > Dear Karl, I am having so much fun. Thanks so much. I have never been able to figure out how to get help until I was able post on this source. I have learned more in two days than the entire 2 years I have been trying to solve my problems. There was just too much to learn without help. Sorry to be winded, but I am so very happy. Thanks again friend. Steven From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 28 03:49:21 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:49:21 -0500 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > I am on so much I appologize, but this has been an unresolved problem > for a long time. > > When I receive an email that has a link included, and I am told to click > on the link, the link never functions for me. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 > Thunderbird 2.0.0.1.6 (20080724) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; i686; en-US; > rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092313 Firefox/3.0.2. > > To go to the link location, I have been copying the link location, > opening the browser, highlighting the Address line and pasting the > address. > > Years ago, when I was using XP, I could just click on a link sent in an > email and it would open the browser to the correct address. Is this > something I can have happen with my present system. TIA for help > > Steven > > In Thunderbird. Edit Preferences Advanced General Config Editor In the window that opens. Right click New String Add: network.protocol-handler.app.http next box your favorite browser network.protocol-handler.app.https and your browser again -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 04:46:19 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:46:19 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200809271838.38999.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> <48DE9CA7.4090701@gmail.com> <200809271838.38999.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <48DF0C1B.8030701@gmail.com> On 28/09/2008 Pastor JW wrote: > Is it similar to K-mail's different quote colors for each different > person quoted in the message? Yes, but it does a bit more like changing the background and inserting separating lines on a side, both, at the beginning and at the end, I use all of them so that cited text fits in a square. It also strips away all markers like **, //, __. leaving formatted text an can cut signatures out. Another useful ext is quick quote. I'm a big fan of kmail and kontact, but here, Ubuntu on eeepc, space matters and imap works better with Thunderbird. ;-) From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 06:39:34 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:39:34 -0400 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I am on so much I appologize, but this has been an unresolved problem >> for a long time. >> >> When I receive an email that has a link included, and I am told to click >> on the link, the link never functions for me. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 >> Thunderbird 2.0.0.1.6 (20080724) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; i686; en-US; >> rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092313 Firefox/3.0.2. >> >> To go to the link location, I have been copying the link location, >> opening the browser, highlighting the Address line and pasting the >> address. >> >> Years ago, when I was using XP, I could just click on a link sent in an >> email and it would open the browser to the correct address. Is this >> something I can have happen with my present system. TIA for help >> >> Steven >> >> >> > > In Thunderbird. > > Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General > Config Editor > > In the window that opens. > Right click > New > String > > Add: > network.protocol-handler.app.http > First I right clicked as you suggested and copy and pasted this into the opened box. > next box your favorite browser > Because I did not understand, I copied this next and pasted it into the box that reopened. > network.protocol-handler.app.https > I then right-clicked and created a new string box and copied this into the box. > and your browser again > I then added 'and your browser again' here. This didn't make sense; I suppose I should have known, so I re-did the process first open the new string and copied 'network.protocol-handler.app.https, clicked OK then typed 'firefox' into the next open window. I repeated the process once more. Then I closed everything and attempted to open links. The link for email opened a pre-addressed email response window, so that worked, but when I clicked on a browser address, nothing happened as before. Can you tell me what I did wrong? Sorry for being so stupid. Thanks for the help. From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sun Sep 28 07:52:05 2008 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:52:05 -0400 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: <48DD0B24.1010705@yahoo.it> References: <48D94901.7030208@gmail.com> <200809251910.57438.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48DD0B24.1010705@yahoo.it> Message-ID: It would appear that on Sep 26, Ignazio Palmisano did say: > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > [snip] > > >> 1) "Ball" mice may not roll smoothly, sometimes they need cleaning (not just > >> the ball as manufacturer tell, but the shafts it rools against) > > > > That's a big 10-4, In fact my track ball does sometimes have that > > problem. Every now and again I tip it upside down (catch the ball) and > > spray the Redmond out of it's guts with a can of air... The rodent usually > > works a little smoother afterwards. > > I used to open the 'rodent' and scrub the dirt out with whatever tool > was needed or at hand for the job, then I bought mi first optic mouse > and was done with all that mess. Also, I'm saving money in the long run, > I only bought two optical mice in the last 7 years (because I kept > forgetting one in the office or at home while moving the laptop). Yeah optical is nice. But given how hard it is to find retailers with TRACKBALLS I'd have to order it from someplace... I always preferred getting my hands on something to physically check it out before purchase... But the next time I replace the durned thing I intend to shop for an optical version... Perhaps I should get around to it before the old one dies... > > But it still doesn't help me keep the > > pointer in between the lines... Though to tell the truth I may have > > exaggerated (slightly) as at times I can make it work a little easier. > > but if I spend much time with it, my hands start to go numb, and once > > that happens it's a hopeless cause. Funny that, I can keypunch for hours > > without such problems, But it only takes a few minutes trying to control > > the mouse... > > I had the same problem when I first started using a computer. Over time > I learned that the problem in my case was that I needed to keep the > whole forearm on the table, so that the hand does not have to push on > the mouse with the weight of the whole arm. Might be worth a try? (I > escaped carpal tunnel syndrome as well that way :)). Well in my case, NOTHING helped with the mouse ( & I've been using computers so long my first one (excluding a commodore64) had only 640 KB of ram...) Funny you should mention carpal tunnel syndrome, I've been dancing around that for a long time. I used to "form cables" for AT&T before they spun off Lucent. This involved a repetitive "sewing" operation (they didn't like cable ties...) It was then That I noticed my hands would get numb if I wrote (with a pen & paper) too long. By the time I stopped forming cables I couldn't "write" for 15 minutes. But that improved over time and I can write for about a 1/2 hr or so now... I can usually use the trackball for about the same time, or an actual mouse for about 15 minutes before that happens. But if I spend much time trying to be precise (such as trying to stay between the lines of menu choices to get to a sub menu that opened on the other side of the menu entry. Or to click on several small icons in a row and it often takes less than 5 minutes to go numb. Yet somehow I can keypunch for hours on end before I have that problem... And no, I don't touch type. I started to take a typing course once, but when I tried to reach all the right keys with the right fingers I found that numbness creeping up on me so quickly That I dropped the course and returned to my peek and poke style where I use whatever finger of whatever hand happens to be handy at the time while avoiding using the same finger/hand continuously for very long... And thus can keypunch for many hours... Go figure! I've suspected for a long time it might be the beginning stages of carpal tunnel, but by being careful how I use my hands (including avoiding the rodent as much as possible) I can avoid that numbness. Over time, most of the symptoms faded. And since I've developed a strong distrust of the medical system, I've never asked a doctor to check it out. -- | ^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <> | | From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 10:09:05 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:09:05 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE4B71.7040506@hughes.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DE4B71.7040506@hughes.net> Message-ID: Yes, Wayne. That is how I recall it working with whatever version came with Ubuntu Warty. One of the nicer features in this regard was that it only presented you with those options was if you actually composed rich text. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 27, 2008, at 11:04 AM, W J Seidl wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: >> It has been years since I used thunderbird, but I recall a setting >> where mail composed with formatting was sent as HTML but those >> without >> were sent as plain text. >> >> -- >> >> Art Alexion >> > Art and all: > In the latest versions of T-bird, you can select which you want to > send, > either plain text, HTML, or both. > This depends on which version you "elect" to send to specific > recipients. > I never selected either for most of the people in my address book. > As a > result, T-bird gives me a popup window > when I hit "send" that asks which I would prefer...plain text, plain > text _and_ HTML, or HTML only. > > Also, you are correct. When one hits "reply" all quoted text appears > with a ">" in front of each line. Tools and options > (I don't remember which) allow you to select replying above or below > quoted text. > > Best, > Wayne Seidl > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 10:14:14 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:14:14 -0400 Subject: System Information - dmidecode In-Reply-To: <1222534832.6575.2.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <1222534832.6575.2.camel@nbmsalsman-lnx> Message-ID: Mike, I am a sys admin in a 98% windows environment by day. Even my die hard windows co-workers use Linux tools for this sort of stuff. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 27, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Michael Salsman wrote: > Dexter, > > My earlier comment on a Windows based tool was simply because I did > not know that a utility like this existed under Linux. This is > exactly what I thought was missing. > > BTW, works great on a Dell Latitude D600 laptop. > > Mike > > > On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 15:48 +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote: >> > Try >> > >> > sudo dmidecode >> > >> > I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know >> if it is >> > universal or Dell specific. >> >> Wow, damn, cool, didn't know this one thanks. Works on a custom non- >> Dell box >> btw. >> >> >> -- >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >> Version: 3.12 >> GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- >> w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ >> b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >> >> http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de >> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 10:17:43 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:17:43 -0400 Subject: System Information - dmidecode In-Reply-To: <48DE715E.6010603@prayingforisrael.net> References: <48DBCA37.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <200809251348.28801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200809271548.21947.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <48DE715E.6010603@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Nigel. I wasn't aware of that. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 27, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Dexter Filmore wrote: >>> Try >>> >>> sudo dmidecode >>> >>> I know it gives you just about everything on Dells. I don't know >>> if it is >>> universal or Dell specific. >> >> Wow, damn, cool, didn't know this one thanks. Works on a custom non- >> Dell box >> btw. >> >> > Just one caveat: > "More often than not, information contained in the DMI tables is > inaccurate, incomplete or simply > wrong." > > Taken from: > http://linux.die.net/man/8/dmidecode > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 10:26:05 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:26:05 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird default email reply. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DD1E9E.1050200@sbcglobal.net> <200809261351.53518.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48DD2312.3020600@yahoo.it> <48DD3448.6030208@sbcglobal.net> <48DDCB6B.3070501@gmail.com> <48DE5B0A.1050807@gmail.com> <48DE8AEB.1000903@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0A404875-4D7F-47CC-98E4-6B1B80ED09B2@gmail.com> Thunderbird uses the same xpi format as Firefox, except with Thunderbird, they don't automatically install. Save the addon to your computer, and then use the Thunderbird extension manager to install it. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 27, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > Michael wrote: >> lanzen wrote: >> >>> On 26/09/2008 Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> What I like is to either bold the print or >>>> italisize it so that it looks different from the sender. >>>> >>>> >>> Quote Color* extension might help. It works on both plain txt and >>> html >>> although I've never tested it much on the latter. Have a good look >>> in >>> the option tabs to set it to what is best for you. >>> >>> https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/170 >>> >>> >> >> Just installed this addon - it is great! Thanks to whoever posted >> it. >> >> >> Dear Lanzen, >> > Is quote color a Linux package? It opened in Kate, but I don't know > how > to install a downloaded package unless I download it using Adept > Package > Manager or Synaptic Package Manager. It doesn't come up when I look > there. Is there code that will get and install it for me, like sudo > apt-get install and an address or something? Thanks! It looks great. > Steven > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 10:41:15 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:41:15 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <200809271824.06306.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809271824.06306.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <23117658-8D6B-48F2-967F-A52759A59B0B@gmail.com> If the print server itself is cups (unlikely), use port 631. Usually, though, its 9100. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 27, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 27 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: >> I have an HP LaserJet 1020 which I want to use for several >> computers. I >> have it attached to a print server on my network. I can ping the >> print >> server just fine, and I installed it using CUPS. When I try to >> print a >> test page I get this error: >> >> Unable to write print data: Broken pipe >> >> I Googled this error, but so far all I have found is a lot of other >> people who got it, but not much in the way of solutions. Any idea >> where >> I can go with this next? > > Most print servers use a special port for the printer, particularly > if the > server will control more than one printer. Have you checked in > great detail > just how to use the print server? > > For example, I have a print server that will handle two printers, > and the > ports than it uses are 4010 and 4020 and the network address is > 192.168.0.12. > > You will need both the port number and ip address to access the print. > > That's the best I can do with the information you have provided. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 10:47:02 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:47:02 -0400 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <238B1084-08E9-4822-9EC4-53D744843345@gmail.com> Most mailers do a good job of detecting urls in plain text and presenting them as hyperlinks. They sometimes get confused when the URL is part of an html message but not formatted as link. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 27, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > I am on so much I appologize, but this has been an unresolved problem > for a long time. > > When I receive an email that has a link included, and I am told to > click > on the link, the link never functions for me. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 > Thunderbird 2.0.0.1.6 (20080724) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; i686; en-US; > rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092313 Firefox/3.0.2. > > To go to the link location, I have been copying the link location, > opening the browser, highlighting the Address line and pasting the > address. > > Years ago, when I was using XP, I could just click on a link sent in > an > email and it would open the browser to the correct address. Is this > something I can have happen with my present system. TIA for help > > Steven > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From barnaby at drofle.com Sun Sep 28 11:10:02 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:10:02 +0100 Subject: Auto updater Message-ID: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> Today I saw the triangle on the panel to show that there were some updates available. I went through the normal routine to run the updates but came up with an error message saying the it would not do the updates as they might cause an error. Well, OK, so forget them. But now the triangle is still showing instead of the green circle so I will not know it there are any new ones to update. I have tried cancelling the changes but I have not found any way to remove them or to permanently cancel the update. Can anyone help please? Neil Winchurst From art.alexion at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 11:15:08 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 07:15:08 -0400 Subject: OT: ubuntu eee issues Message-ID: <1AD6659B-B164-4EC0-9E12-56C262C3D69B@gmail.com> I know I should be asking this on the ubuntu list, but I don't subscribe anymore. Is there a list specific to ubuntu eee? I can't get automount of removable usb drives to work. It complains about permissions. I have insured the user has all permissions in the Users & Groups GUI and the appropriate parts of the Authorizations GUI. Still get the error whenever I insert a USB stick. The other problem involves getting stnaptics/gsynaptics to work. I have inserted the SHMConfig option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I still get the error that it is not there. Any ideas? -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Sep 28 12:01:20 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:01:20 +0100 Subject: Anacron job 'cron.daily' Message-ID: <200809281301.20725.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> I've started getting errors mailed to me on one of my machines: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: error running postrotate script for /var/log/acpid run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 Has anyone got any idea what it means and how to stop it happening? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 12:15:50 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:15:50 +0200 Subject: Anacron job 'cron.daily' In-Reply-To: <200809281301.20725.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200809281301.20725.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Fraser wrote: > I've started getting errors mailed to me on one of my machines: > > /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: > error: error running postrotate script for /var/log/acpid > run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 > > Has anyone got any idea what it means and how to stop it happening? > > -- > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org I Googled up this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tor/+bug/139956 -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From gloonie at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 12:22:20 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:22:20 -0400 Subject: Auto updater In-Reply-To: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> References: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200809280822.20277.gloonie@earthlink.net> I went into Synaptic and told it to "Fix broken packages"". It said it could not install the libc6-686 package, but then it seemed to and when I rebooted I was able to install the other updates and things are back to normal. (Synaptic is part of Ubuntu GNOME, but seemed to do the trick). HTH, Glenn On Sunday 28 September 2008 07:10:02 Neil Winchurst wrote: > Today I saw the triangle on the panel to show that there were some > updates available. I went through the normal routine to run the updates > but came up with an error message saying the it would not do the updates > as they might cause an error. > > Well, OK, so forget them. But now the triangle is still showing instead > of the green circle so I will not know it there are any new ones to > update. > > I have tried cancelling the changes but I have not found any way to > remove them or to permanently cancel the update. > > Can anyone help please? > > Neil Winchurst -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 12:39:03 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:39:03 +0200 Subject: OT: ubuntu eee issues In-Reply-To: <1AD6659B-B164-4EC0-9E12-56C262C3D69B@gmail.com> References: <1AD6659B-B164-4EC0-9E12-56C262C3D69B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DF7AE7.90809@gmail.com> Art Alexion wrote: > I know I should be asking this on the ubuntu list, but I don't > subscribe anymore. Is there a list specific to ubuntu eee? Not that I know of. I usually start searches at http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page > I can't get automount of removable usb drives to work. It complains > about permissions. I have insured the user has all permissions in the > Users & Groups GUI and the appropriate parts of the Authorizations > GUI. Still get the error whenever I insert a USB stick. > > The other problem involves getting stnaptics/gsynaptics to work. I > have inserted the SHMConfig option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I still > get the error that it is not there. > > Any ideas? I don't have these two issues and all worked mostly since installed. The only thing that come o mind, is it a recent version? -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 28 12:54:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:54:19 -0300 Subject: Auto updater References: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> <200809280822.20277.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1512133.B8TbAf2tx0@cedar.serverforest.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > I went into Synaptic and told it to "Fix broken packages"". It said it > could not install the libc6-686 package, but then it seemed to and when I > rebooted I was able to install the other updates and things are back to > normal. (Synaptic is part of Ubuntu GNOME, but seemed to do the trick). It might have actually removed it - you don't have to have libc6-i686, but it provides optimizations over the base libc6. Check, and if it's not installed, you should now be able to reinstall it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 28 12:59:25 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:59:25 -0300 Subject: Anacron job 'cron.daily' References: <200809281301.20725.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <1303105.j1SrTLsrtB@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Fraser > wrote: >> I've started getting errors mailed to me on one of my machines: >> >> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: >> error: error running postrotate script for /var/log/acpid >> run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 >> >> Has anyone got any idea what it means and how to stop it happening? > > I Googled up this: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tor/+bug/139956 It seems a little unlikely that a bug in tor would cause an error rotating /var/log/acpid (though actually the principle's the same). Generally, logrotate errors come from removing packages that create logfiles without removing the appropriate configs in /etc/logrotate.d/ (not your fault - bad packaging) -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Sep 28 13:48:11 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:48:11 -0500 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48DF8B1B.2010106@swbell.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > First I right clicked as you suggested and copy and pasted this into the > opened box. > >> next box your favorite browser >> >> > Because I did not understand, I copied this next and pasted it into the > box that reopened. > If you go back to the config editor and scroll down [ they are in alphabetical order ] to where you see the additions mine reads: network.protocol-handler.app.http user set string firefox network.protocol-handler.app.https user set string firefox Is this what your reads? -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From gloonie at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 13:57:08 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:57:08 -0400 Subject: Auto updater In-Reply-To: <1512133.B8TbAf2tx0@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> <200809280822.20277.gloonie@earthlink.net> <1512133.B8TbAf2tx0@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809280957.08257.gloonie@earthlink.net> It may have removed then reinstalled it. It stopped being listed as broken and is currently installed. Maybe it was a fleeting packaging problem. Glenn On Sunday 28 September 2008 08:54:19 Derek Broughton wrote: > Glenn R Williams wrote: > > I went into Synaptic and told it to "Fix broken packages"". It said it > > could not install the libc6-686 package, but then it seemed to and when I > > rebooted I was able to install the other updates and things are back to > > normal. (Synaptic is part of Ubuntu GNOME, but seemed to do the trick). > > It might have actually removed it - you don't have to have libc6-i686, but > it provides optimizations over the base libc6. Check, and if it's not > installed, you should now be able to reinstall it. > -- > derek -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yurtta Sulh, Cihanda Sulh -- Mustafa Kemal Atatürk From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Sep 28 14:52:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:52:32 -0300 Subject: Auto updater References: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> <200809280822.20277.gloonie@earthlink.net> <1512133.B8TbAf2tx0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809280957.08257.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1624092.Gm32pysber@cedar.serverforest.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > It may have removed then reinstalled it. It stopped being listed as broken > and is currently installed. Maybe it was a fleeting packaging problem. > > On Sunday 28 September 2008 08:54:19 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Glenn R Williams wrote: >> > I went into Synaptic and told it to "Fix broken packages"". It said it >> > could not install the libc6-686 package, but then it seemed to and when >> > I rebooted I was able to install the other updates and things are back >> > to normal. (Synaptic is part of Ubuntu GNOME, but seemed to do the >> > trick). fwiw, it's exactly the same as "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" >> It might have actually removed it - you don't have to have libc6-i686, >> but >> it provides optimizations over the base libc6. Check, and if it's not >> installed, you should now be able to reinstall it. There is always an issue with anything that upgrades libc6-i686, because if libc6 gets upgraded and libc6-686 hasn't yet been (or vice-versa) the system can be nearly irretrievably broken. So there's a system in place to defer the actual changes until it's safe to do so, but it seems to be not quite rock-solid yet. But at least it doesn't completely break the OS. -- derek From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Sep 28 16:29:31 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:29:31 -0700 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: References: <48DD0B24.1010705@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 28 September 2008 12:52:05 am Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > I've suspected for a long time it might be the beginning stages of carpal > tunnel, but by being careful how I use my hands (including avoiding the > rodent as much as possible) I can avoid that numbness. Over time, most > of the symptoms faded. And since I've developed a strong distrust of the > medical system, I've never asked a doctor to check it out. Best thing I have found for that is simply alfalfa tea! Even if one does not like tea he'll soon like the effects! Besides the tea tastes good. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 19:11:37 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:11:37 -0400 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. [SOLVED] Thanks! to all In-Reply-To: <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48DFD6E9.3000401@sbcglobal.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I am on so much I appologize, but this has been an unresolved problem >> for a long time. >> >> When I receive an email that has a link included, and I am told to click >> on the link, the link never functions for me. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 >> Thunderbird 2.0.0.1.6 (20080724) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; i686; en-US; >> rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092313 Firefox/3.0.2. >> >> To go to the link location, I have been copying the link location, >> opening the browser, highlighting the Address line and pasting the >> address. >> >> Years ago, when I was using XP, I could just click on a link sent in an >> email and it would open the browser to the correct address. Is this >> something I can have happen with my present system. TIA for help >> >> Steven >> >> >> > > In Thunderbird. > > Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General > Config Editor > > In the window that opens. > Right click > New > String > > Add: > network.protocol-handler.app.http > next box your favorite browser > > network.protocol-handler.app.https > and your browser again > > From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 21:52:06 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:52:06 +0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice Message-ID: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? Thanks in advance -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems to use less system resources and, I think, because it uses KDE libraries it takes up less hard drive space too. I have not tried it out long enough to develop a full opinion yet and would like to see what other people think myself. The one thing I have noticed is a little thing that is annoying. In every other spreadsheet I have ever used (even including on the Palm) there is always a button beside the A and above the one in the upper left corner of the sheet. When you press this button it would do a select all. For some reason Kspread does not have this and I can't find an easy way to select all. -- Your friend, Scott http://sgaming.org Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 22:16:45 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:16:45 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48DFFF94.9060700@bmts.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48DFFF94.9060700@bmts.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0809281516v4742d27bu211eb406a6e2feda@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott wrote: > For some reason Kspread does not have this and I can't find > an easy way to select all. > Probably because hardly anyone even knows about that button. Try Ctrl-A - it works to select all in every office-type program I have used in the past years. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I try to >>> print a >>> test page I get this error: >>> >>> Unable to write print data: Broken pipe >>> >>> I Googled this error, but so far all I have found is a lot of other >>> people who got it, but not much in the way of solutions. Any idea >>> where >>> I can go with this next? >>> >> Most print servers use a special port for the printer, particularly >> if the >> server will control more than one printer. Have you checked in >> great detail >> just how to use the print server? >> >> For example, I have a print server that will handle two printers, >> and the >> ports than it uses are 4010 and 4020 and the network address is >> 192.168.0.12. >> >> You will need both the port number and ip address to access the print. >> >> That's the best I can do with the information you have provided. >> I have verified that the ip address (192.168.1.107 on my network) and the port (9100) are the same on both ends. Thye server is looking for stuff on 9100, and CUPs on my Kubuntu box is configured to send to port 9100. Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 "If you can't say anything good about someone, sit right here by me." Alice Roosevelt Longworth From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Sep 29 00:00:56 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:00:56 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48E012ED.5010708@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <23117658-8D6B-48F2-967F-A52759A59B0B@gmail.com> <48E012ED.5010708@palain.com> Message-ID: <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 28 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > I have verified that the ip address (192.168.1.107 on my network) and > the port (9100) are the same on both ends. Thye server is looking for > stuff on 9100, and CUPs on my Kubuntu box is configured to send to port > 9100. Can you describe the method you used to set it up in CUPS. What type of printer did you specify? (network printer I hope using port 9100) If you go to System Settings --> Printers --> and select the printer (lp?) and then Properties --> Interface, you should see something like: Network Printer (socket) URI: socket://192.168.1.107:9100 From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Sep 29 00:39:15 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:39:15 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sunday 28 September 2008 5:52:06 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever > since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think > it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but > what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything > special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better > in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would > look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? > > Thanks in advance Koffice is nice enough, and much 'lighter' but it isn't quite as powerful as OOo, My wife likes the simplicity (of appearance) of Kword as compared to OOo or MS word, for example. I don't think the MS office compatibility isn't as strong as it is in OOo, but that may be improved in version 2. I am downloading the new beta for KOffice 2 as I type to check it out. I don't have many MS docs around, but I do have a couple Excel spreadsheets that I converted to opendocument format and still have to originals somewhere so I can compare. -- Clay Weber From teeahr1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 00:52:18 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:52:18 -0500 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200809281952.24807.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Sunday September 28 2008 19:39:15 claydoh wrote: > On Sunday 28 September 2008 5:52:06 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever > > since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think > > it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but > > what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything > > special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better > > in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would > > look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? > > > > Thanks in advance > > Koffice is nice enough, and much 'lighter' but it isn't quite as powerful > as OOo, My wife likes the simplicity (of appearance) of Kword as compared > to OOo or MS word, for example. I don't think the MS office compatibility > isn't as strong as it is in OOo, but that may be improved in version 2. I > am downloading the new beta for KOffice 2 as I type to check it out. I > don't have many MS docs around, but I do have a couple Excel spreadsheets > that I converted to opendocument format and still have to originals > somewhere so I can compare. > > -- > Clay Weber Just as a datapoint, I've never had trouble reading .doc or .xls files in Koffice 1 or 2. Sometimes, though, I have trouble with reading OOo .odf files in Koffice or vice versa. Little stuff, like bullets changing to a numbered list or images not keeping their alignment. YMMV. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Sep 29 01:11:08 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:11:08 -0400 Subject: Konqueror problems In-Reply-To: References: <200809251020.25836.alain.muls@telenet.be> <1222498461.10763.119.camel@iam> Message-ID: <200809282111.08982.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 27 September 2008 4:24:15 am Knapp wrote: > >> Bleeding edge for me is all in the 3d graphics department and I don't > >> see that being a problem. On the other hand I have always upgraded but > >> perhaps my upgrade to hardy will be my last for some time. I have > >> heard nothing about KDE 4 that makes me think of it as being ready for > >> the real world. It is really crazy of them to force Dolphine on people > >> when it is not yet stable and to make Konq use Dolphine as the file > >> browser makes me feel mad. This is the first time I have ever felt > >> that way about *Ubuntu. I remember feeling like that about Madrake > >> right before it flopped. > > > > As a very long time Red Hat fan, Fedora just sucked the wind out of me > > as I spent more time maintaining a "bleeding edge" platform that blew up > > routinely with an over night upgrade. I really had some important stuff > > to do, and none was getting done patching up overnight problems. But, if > > you just want bleeding edge on the desktop and enjoy that kinda thing, > > it's the place to be for an experienced user. It's murder on a newbie > > though. So, I finally switched to Kubuntu as I didn't want to be forced > > into KDE4 and am perfectly happy with KDE3. I'm finally getting devel > > stuff done, and that is what I want to do with my computer. Use it as a > > useful tool. I agree that KDE has to grow and evolve. No question about > > it. I just happen to like the fact that Kubuntu remains stable for a > > much longer period of time than a distro like Fedora. I also have CentOS > > on another partition, but since I need Sun's JDK instead of openjdk, > > Kubuntu wins hands down for native support. My two cents. And yes, once > > KDE4 settles down and matures, I'll use it. Ric > > Agreed, when KDE4 runs ever major bit of software just as well as 3 > but with less cpu usage and less memory usage and does it without me > having to edit 20 files, I will switch also. If not then it is not an > improvement. I don't like eye candy, well I like it for a about 60 > minutes, after that I want to get work done. If it improves my work > flow then I am all for it. If it improves beauty then that is good to > but not at the cost of many cpu cycles or memory. My computer is a > tool for doing things, the desktop is the bit for moving from tool to > tool and maybe helping with the transfer of data. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page Who is forcing anyone to use Dolphin? Konqueror is still a file browser, just like it is in KDE3. I don't understand all this fuss and fud over something that is plain false. Stick with Hardy, there is nothing wrong with doing that. Use the tool that works best for YOU -- Clay Weber From gkourtev at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 13:54:13 2008 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:54:13 +0300 Subject: "Show desktop" button missing In-Reply-To: <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48D24CD4.2050302@gmail.com> <200809180851.06607.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48D25D85.4040707@gmail.com> Thanks, that is what I thought. However I dont have Show Desktop option there (see attached screenshot) Glenn R Williams wrote: > 1. left click on the upper right corner plasma icon > 2. click on "add widgets" > 3. scroll down to "Show Desktop" > 4. click on "add widget" > > HTH, > > Glenn > > On Thursday 18 September 2008 08:43:00 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> I have installed KDE 4.1.1 and realised that the button 'Show Desktop' >> (which minimises all windows) at the Widgets is not available. Does >> anyone knows how to put this icon on? >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: snapshot Type: image/png Size: 78300 bytes Desc: not available URL: From deloptes at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 08:45:21 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: kubunto locales Message-ID: <620495.36695.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hello, I setup the locales on my new kubuntu system to bg_BG.UTF-8 and LANG is bulgarian. So why the h*. the system panel shows arabic script. Part of the text is in bulgarian, part in arabic and part in german. THIS IS ODD! I speak few languages but not that many. Let me know how to fix it - here is a screen shot. regards -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kubuntu.png Type: image/png Size: 60410 bytes Desc: not available URL: From janzrockers at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 04:31:59 2008 From: janzrockers at yahoo.com (jan bulawan) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HELP Message-ID: <884608.23904.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hello, I have question. I install Kubuntu on my desktop, i had core dou processor and i installed kubuntu 8.04(64bit).. my video card is builtin with my motherboard(asus). why is it the after i install the grafics of the kubuntu breaks? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 18:41:25 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:41:25 -0400 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48DFCFD5.2010507@sbcglobal.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> I am on so much I appologize, but this has been an unresolved problem >> for a long time. >> >> When I receive an email that has a link included, and I am told to click >> on the link, the link never functions for me. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9 >> Thunderbird 2.0.0.1.6 (20080724) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; i686; en-US; >> rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092313 Firefox/3.0.2. >> >> To go to the link location, I have been copying the link location, >> opening the browser, highlighting the Address line and pasting the >> address. >> >> Years ago, when I was using XP, I could just click on a link sent in an >> email and it would open the browser to the correct address. Is this >> something I can have happen with my present system. TIA for help >> >> Steven >> >> >> > > In Thunderbird. > > Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General > Config Editor > > In the window that opens. > Right click > New > String > > Add: > network.protocol-handler.app.http > next box your favorite browser > > network.protocol-handler.app.https > and your browser again > > Dear Billie, When I opened the configuration page this morning, the entry that was missing 'firefox' was not there, so I right-clicked and created a new string network.protocol-handler.app.http clicked OK then entered firefox in the next window, clicked OK, closed Thunderbird rebooted the computer then attempted to use a link. When I clicked on the kubuntu list email address it opened, however, when I attempted to open the kubuntu list website from the bottom of an email, it would not open the browser. Additionally, there is only one entry showing in the configuration (attached png). How would I remove the previous attempts so that I can start over. I must have made a mistake somehow. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: linkConfg1.png Type: image/png Size: 93895 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karlok at fastmail.fm Mon Sep 29 01:39:23 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl Klinger) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:39:23 -0700 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DFCFD5.2010507@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> <48DFCFD5.2010507@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E031CB.7060204@fastmail.fm> Steven Vollom wrote: > When I opened the configuration page this morning, the entry that was > missing 'firefox' was not there, so I right-clicked and created a new > string network.protocol-handler.app.http clicked OK then entered > firefox in the next window, clicked OK, closed Thunderbird rebooted the > computer then attempted to use a link. When I clicked on the kubuntu > list email address it opened, however, when I attempted to open the > kubuntu list website from the bottom of an email, it would not open the > browser. Additionally, there is only one entry showing in the > configuration (attached png). How would I remove the previous attempts > so that I can start over. I must have made a mistake somehow. > Your entry for network.protocol-handler.app.http looks fine; however you also need an entry for network.protocol-handler.app.https. Note that the web address at the bottom of the email uses the https protocol. Karl From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Sep 29 01:56:31 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:56:31 -0700 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <48E035CF.60903@dmiyu.org> claydoh wrote: > Koffice is nice enough, and much 'lighter' but it isn't quite as powerful as > OOo, My wife likes the simplicity (of appearance) of Kword as compared to OOo > or MS word, I'll say it is lighter... Here's KWord and OOWriter with the same 17 pg. odt opened... grey 6562 5.8 9.5 52936 36804 pts/2 SN 18:09 0:04 kword grey 6608 21.0 18.7 206112 72476 pts/2 Sl 18:10 0:04 oowriter 1/2 the size in memory. Also KWord does something sensible. I can save my document in uncompressed odt. When doing so the content.xml is not a single line. For most people this is probably not important. However, I am a programmer and when I think of writing I think of how programming tools can be applied to writing. Having, at least, each paragraph on its own line means that I can use Mercurial sensibly for revision control. OOWriter's uncompressed odt stores the entire file in a single line. As such each revision's diff is just a snapshot of the document. Might as well just cp the file and append the date/time and be done with it. With each statement on a line one can do for writing all the fun software development tricks that Mercurial makes possible for code. For example, create a branch and play with rewriting a portion of the text in Chapter 2. Break out another branch and rewrite a portion of Chapter 8. Then when you're satisfied with both, merge them together and back into the mainline document through Mercurial's automatic merging. All because KWord's version has newlines. Go figger! The really crazy part is that the KWord version with newlines is smaller than the unpacked odt. {grey at igbuntu:~/Documents/NightsEnd} ls -l ??test/content.xml -rw-r--r-- 1 grey grey 59287 Sep 28 18:05 kwtest/content.xml -rw-r--r-- 1 grey grey 63302 May 18 09:54 ootest/content.xml How's that for craziness? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After that, I was able to install the firefox and thunderbird upgrades, and my work-in-progress program started behaving normally again. Paul Glenn R Williams wrote: > I went into Synaptic and told it to "Fix broken packages"". It said it could > not install the libc6-686 package, but then it seemed to and when I rebooted I > was able to install the other updates and things are back to normal. > (Synaptic is part of Ubuntu GNOME, but seemed to do the trick). > > HTH, > > Glenn > > > On Sunday 28 September 2008 07:10:02 Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> Today I saw the triangle on the panel to show that there were some >> updates available. I went through the normal routine to run the updates >> but came up with an error message saying the it would not do the updates >> as they might cause an error. >> >> Well, OK, so forget them. But now the triangle is still showing instead >> of the green circle so I will not know it there are any new ones to >> update. >> >> I have tried cancelling the changes but I have not found any way to >> remove them or to permanently cancel the update. >> >> Can anyone help please? >> >> Neil Winchurst >> > > From paul at lemmons.name Mon Sep 29 03:35:02 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:35:02 -0700 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever > since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think > it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but > what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything > special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better > in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would > look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? > > Thanks in advance > > KOffice is nice and simple. It does 90% of what you want in an office suite, if you are a heavy office suite user. If you are a lite user or are just working with personal documents that percentage approaches 100% pretty quickly. I think that the biggest difference between the two products is the philosophy driving both products. OOo's goal is to compete directly with the MS Suite. They read and write the MS formats transparently. Their programs compete on the feature level as well. It is their goal to be useful in a business or corporate environment where MS has a dominate footprint. Koffice take a different track. They ask the question, what makes sense in a wordprocessor/spreadsheet/etc. Then they focus their efforts there. They do not necessarily see that compatibility with the MS Suite as a high priority. They want to make a good standalone product first. This is a two edged sword, though. By focusing on the application they have created a fairly usable, simple suite that meets almost 100% of the needs of the average home user. They do this with a small footprint and be quite nimble about it. The downside is that it is not usable in a corporate environment. While it is pretty good and reading Word documents, it is not perfect. The last time I tried it it could not write Word documents at all. If you want to used alternatives to MS in a large business it must be able to play 100% with the MS Suite. You may hear a little frustration here. I really like KDE. I really WANT to use the PIM and Office suites. I can't. While I respect their focus I believe that they have neglected the corporate user. Until their suite integrates well with the the corporate world, it will stay a tool for the hobbyist and home user. It is really too bad. It could be so much more. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 05:37:22 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:37:22 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> Message-ID: Want to have fun look at file size for 3 text documents between the big four. Word OO Kword Acrobat There load speed is about in that order too, starting with slowest. (I have not used word in years, so maybe it is faster now.) Their ability to open Word docs in about in that order too but I have heard that sometimes OO does better than word with opening old MS files. Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more loading. Does it still? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kassube at gmx.net Mon Sep 29 05:54:36 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:54:36 +0200 Subject: HELP In-Reply-To: <884608.23904.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <884608.23904.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200809290754.36647.kassube@gmx.net> jan bulawan wrote: > hello, I have question. I install Kubuntu on my desktop, i had core dou > processor and i installed kubuntu 8.04(64bit).. my video card is > builtin with my motherboard(asus). why is it the after i install the > grafics of the kubuntu breaks? While I'm not sure I can help, there are some questions which might narrow down your problem: - Are you sure you have a 64-Bit CPU? Core-Duo is only 32-Bit while Core-2-Duo is 64-Bit. [1], [2] - Can you tell us what type of graphics card is built-in to your machine (Intel, ATI, Nvidia, VIA, ...)? - Can you clarify what you mean with "why is it the after i install the grafics of the kubuntu breaks?"? To me that sentence doesn't really make sense - probably because I'm not a native English speaker. Especially I'm not sure when Kubuntu breaks. Is it some time during the installation process or is it after the system was fully installed and working? Nils [1] [2] From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 07:16:36 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:16:36 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200809281952.24807.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200809281952.24807.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40809290016k4da59039s2755dac09ee819a1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/29 p.daniels : > On Sunday September 28 2008 19:39:15 claydoh wrote: > >> On Sunday 28 September 2008 5:52:06 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> > I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever > >> > since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think > >> > it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but > >> > what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything > >> > special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better > >> > in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would > >> > look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance > >> > >> Koffice is nice enough, and much 'lighter' but it isn't quite as powerful > >> as OOo, My wife likes the simplicity (of appearance) of Kword as compared > >> to OOo or MS word, for example. I don't think the MS office compatibility > >> isn't as strong as it is in OOo, but that may be improved in version 2. I > >> am downloading the new beta for KOffice 2 as I type to check it out. I > >> don't have many MS docs around, but I do have a couple Excel spreadsheets > >> that I converted to opendocument format and still have to originals > >> somewhere so I can compare. > >> > >> -- > >> Clay Weber > > Just as a datapoint, I've never had trouble reading .doc or .xls files in > Koffice 1 or 2. Sometimes, though, I have trouble with reading OOo .odf > files in Koffice or vice versa. Little stuff, like bullets changing to a > numbered list or images not keeping their alignment. YMMV. > > -p. > i even forgot to ask about that! what is the default file format of koffice? i do care a lot about MS office files, word, excel, and powerpoint, since my uni, alas, refuses to deal with any other office suite, and except for some open minded programming professors, no one uses PDF -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 07:24:56 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:24:56 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <15edeae40809290024n3ed8b102g7efd9346a3eaf457@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/29 Paul Lemmons : > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >> I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. Ever >> since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think >> it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but >> what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything >> special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave better >> in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it would >> look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> > > KOffice is nice and simple. It does 90% of what you want in an office suite, > if you are a heavy office suite user. If you are a lite user or are just > working with personal documents that percentage approaches 100% pretty > quickly. > > I think that the biggest difference between the two products is the > philosophy driving both products. OOo's goal is to compete directly with the > MS Suite. They read and write the MS formats transparently. Their programs > compete on the feature level as well. It is their goal to be useful in a > business or corporate environment where MS has a dominate footprint. > > Koffice take a different track. They ask the question, what makes sense in a > wordprocessor/spreadsheet/etc. Then they focus their efforts there. They do > not necessarily see that compatibility with the MS Suite as a high priority. > They want to make a good standalone product first. > > This is a two edged sword, though. By focusing on the application they have > created a fairly usable, simple suite that meets almost 100% of the needs of > the average home user. They do this with a small footprint and be quite > nimble about it. The downside is that it is not usable in a corporate > environment. While it is pretty good and reading Word documents, it is not > perfect. The last time I tried it it could not write Word documents at all. > If you want to used alternatives to MS in a large business it must be able > to play 100% with the MS Suite. > > You may hear a little frustration here. I really like KDE. I really WANT to > use the PIM and Office suites. I can't. While I respect their focus I > believe that they have neglected the corporate user. Until their suite > integrates well with the the corporate world, it will stay a tool for the > hobbyist and home user. It is really too bad. It could be so much more. > you convinced me! no, i don't need it for a corporate environment, nor am i the kind of people that types more than a dozen page a day, only 4 or 5 pages a day. OOo is full of features, which even though i rarely use them, they can come in handy sometimes, for a certain document. but i guess having a lighter and faster program is more important to me than these rarely used features. the only downside is if this new version is also incapable of dealing with MS office files as you mentioned. and someone mentioned it has problems with OOo files? i hope not. can koffice save or export as PDF? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Sep 29 07:34:16 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:34:16 +0100 Subject: Auto updater (SORTED) In-Reply-To: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> References: <48DF660A.9000804@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48E084F8.2040907@drofle.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Today I saw the triangle on the panel to show that there were some > updates available. I went through the normal routine to run the updates > but came up with an error message saying the it would not do the updates > as they might cause an error. > > Well, OK, so forget them. But now the triangle is still showing instead > of the green circle so I will not know it there are any new ones to > update. > > I have tried cancelling the changes but I have not found any way to > remove them or to permanently cancel the update. > > Can anyone help please? > > Neil Winchurst > Replying to my own email ...... Today I tried again and this time the updates went through with no problems. Perhaps I had something running yesterday and not today. Whatever the reason, it is now sorted. Neil From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 07:35:01 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:35:01 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/29 Knapp : > Want to have fun look at file size for 3 text documents between the big four. > Word > OO > Kword > Acrobat > > There load speed is about in that order too, starting with slowest. (I > have not used word in years, so maybe it is faster now.) > Their ability to open Word docs in about in that order too but I have > heard that sometimes OO does better than word with opening old MS > files. not any faster, in MS office 2007, try pasting 2 pages, with at least one picture in them, happy waiting :P it took about 1 minute on a 3.0 GHz CPU! OOo has only one problem with MS files, and that is fonts! the use of different fonts by the 2 suites is really a problem. some guy comes in with a MS office 2003 doc file, using some fancy font (one of the fonts supplied by MS office, not a custom one), i open it with OOo, and... looks horrible in some normal font. that's one of the reasons i keep MS office installed on all my windows PCs, in case i can't print it from kubuntu. > Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that > switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more > loading. Does it still? > not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows version does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and even when not, switching application is fast. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 08:02:39 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:02:39 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809290016k4da59039s2755dac09ee819a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809281952.24807.teeahr1@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290016k4da59039s2755dac09ee819a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809291002.40064.valtermura@gmail.com> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 09:16:36 Willy Hamra ha scritto: > i even forgot to ask about that! what is the default file format of > koffice? i do care a lot about MS office files, word, excel, and > powerpoint, since my uni, alas, refuses to deal with any other office > suite, and except for some open minded programming professors, no one uses > PDF Ahi, ahi, Willy, your University approach is not good... Please note: http://www.koffice.org/faq/#WhatdataformatdoesKOfficereadandwritenatively Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 08:16:07 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:16:07 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 09:35:01 Willy Hamra ha scritto: > > not any faster, in MS office 2007, try pasting 2 pages, with at least > one picture in them, happy waiting :P it took about 1 minute on a 3.0 > GHz CPU! OOo has only one problem with MS files, and that is fonts! > the use of different fonts by the 2 suites is really a problem. some > guy comes in with a MS office 2003 doc file, using some fancy font > (one of the fonts supplied by MS office, not a custom one), i open it > with OOo, and... looks horrible in some normal font. that's one of the > reasons i keep MS office installed on all my windows PCs, in case i > can't print it from kubuntu. And this is due to the reckless evolution of the computer market... 90% of computers has Windows and we must fight against these things... Do we want to start an OT thread concerning "why" when I go to a shop I find (I speak for Italy) only systems with pre-installed Windows? Better not, this could be very OT. > > > Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that > > switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more > > loading. Does it still? > > not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows version > does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and even > when not, switching application is fast. Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way OOo is faster... As OpenOffice.org, this is its real name, is integrated in the Kubuntu system, some things could be different from Windows, because here you make a fresh installation not bundled in the system, so links and menus are chosen by default by the OOo Organization. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 08:24:00 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:24:00 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809290024n3ed8b102g7efd9346a3eaf457@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290024n3ed8b102g7efd9346a3eaf457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 09:24:56 Willy Hamra ha scritto: > you convinced me! no, i don't need it for a corporate environment, nor > am i the kind of people that types more than a dozen page a day, only > 4 or 5 pages a day. OOo is full of features, which even though i > rarely use them, they can come in handy sometimes, for a certain > document. but i guess having a lighter and faster program is more > important to me than these rarely used features. I totally disagree with this line. What about if you can buy "almost only" Ford cars and if you go to a seller and you find only them in exhibition? This is the sad situation. > > the only downside is if this new version is also incapable of dealing > with MS office files as you mentioned. and someone mentioned it has > problems with OOo files? i hope not. > can koffice save or export as PDF? Again; http://www.koffice.org/filters/1.6/ Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 08:38:28 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:38:28 +0200 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809291038.28550.valtermura@gmail.com> Il domenica 28 settembre 2008 08:39:34 Steven Vollom ha scritto: > > In Thunderbird. > > > > Edit > > Preferences > > Advanced > > General > > Config Editor > > > > In the window that opens. > > Right click > > New > > String > > > > Add: > > network.protocol-handler.app.http > > First I right clicked as you suggested and copy and pasted this into the > opened box. > > > next box your favorite browser > > Because I did not understand, I copied this next and pasted it into the > box that reopened. > > > network.protocol-handler.app.https > > I then right-clicked and created a new string box and copied this into > the box. > > > and your browser again > > I then added 'and your browser again' here. > > This didn't make sense; I suppose I should have known, so I re-did the > process first open the new string and copied > 'network.protocol-handler.app.https, clicked OK then typed 'firefox' > into the next open window. I repeated the process once more. Then I > closed everything and attempted to open links. The link for email > opened a pre-addressed email response window, so that worked, but when I > clicked on a browser address, nothing happened as before. Can you tell > me what I did wrong? Sorry for being so stupid. Thanks for the help. Steven, have you tried to check in "System Settings >>> Default Application" which is your preferred browser and mailer? Set also Firefox there and try again. Also check here the "file association" tab. BTW, I use default combination KMail + Konqueror and everything goes well here. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 08:58:24 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:58:24 +0200 Subject: HELP In-Reply-To: <200809290754.36647.kassube@gmx.net> References: <884608.23904.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200809290754.36647.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: > - Can you clarify what you mean with "why is it the after i install the > grafics of the kubuntu breaks?"? To me that sentence doesn't really make > sense - probably because I'm not a native English speaker. I am a native speaker and it still does not make sense. My guess of what is should would be, "Why is it that after I install xxxx the graphics of Kubuntu breaks?" I have no idea what xxxx is, perhaps a video driver? > Especially I'm > not sure when Kubuntu breaks. Is it some time during the installation > process or is it after the system was fully installed and working? > > Nils -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 09:03:58 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:03:58 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/9/29 Knapp : >> Want to have fun look at file size for 3 text documents between the big four. >> Word >> OO >> Kword >> Acrobat >> >> There load speed is about in that order too, starting with slowest. (I >> have not used word in years, so maybe it is faster now.) >> Their ability to open Word docs in about in that order too but I have >> heard that sometimes OO does better than word with opening old MS >> files. > > not any faster, in MS office 2007, try pasting 2 pages, with at least > one picture in them, happy waiting :P it took about 1 minute on a 3.0 > GHz CPU! OOo has only one problem with MS files, and that is fonts! > the use of different fonts by the 2 suites is really a problem. some > guy comes in with a MS office 2003 doc file, using some fancy font > (one of the fonts supplied by MS office, not a custom one), i open it > with OOo, and... looks horrible in some normal font. that's one of the > reasons i keep MS office installed on all my windows PCs, in case i > can't print it from kubuntu. > >> Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that >> switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more >> loading. Does it still? > > -- > Willy K. Hamra If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and install them on Linux? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Sep 29 09:06:48 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:06:48 +0100 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E035CF.60903@dmiyu.org> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809282039.15896.claydoh@midmaine.com> <48E035CF.60903@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48E09AA8.3080207@yahoo.it> Steve Lamb wrote: > claydoh wrote: >> Koffice is nice enough, and much 'lighter' but it isn't quite as powerful as >> OOo, My wife likes the simplicity (of appearance) of Kword as compared to OOo >> or MS word, > > I'll say it is lighter... Here's KWord and OOWriter with the same 17 pg. > odt opened... > > grey 6562 5.8 9.5 52936 36804 pts/2 SN 18:09 0:04 kword > grey 6608 21.0 18.7 206112 72476 pts/2 Sl 18:10 0:04 oowriter > > 1/2 the size in memory. > > Also KWord does something sensible. I can save my document in > uncompressed odt. When doing so the content.xml is not a single line. For > most people this is probably not important. However, I am a programmer and > when I think of writing I think of how programming tools can be applied to > writing. Having, at least, each paragraph on its own line means that I can > use Mercurial sensibly for revision control. > > OOWriter's uncompressed odt stores the entire file in a single line. As > such each revision's diff is just a snapshot of the document. Might as well > just cp the file and append the date/time and be done with it. > > With each statement on a line one can do for writing all the fun software > development tricks that Mercurial makes possible for code. For example, > create a branch and play with rewriting a portion of the text in Chapter 2. > Break out another branch and rewrite a portion of Chapter 8. Then when you're > satisfied with both, merge them together and back into the mainline document > through Mercurial's automatic merging. All because KWord's version has > newlines. Go figger! > > The really crazy part is that the KWord version with newlines is smaller > than the unpacked odt. > > {grey at igbuntu:~/Documents/NightsEnd} ls -l ??test/content.xml > -rw-r--r-- 1 grey grey 59287 Sep 28 18:05 kwtest/content.xml > -rw-r--r-- 1 grey grey 63302 May 18 09:54 ootest/content.xml > > How's that for craziness? mmm, blind guess would be koffice picks the xml entities better :) I'm curious about accessing odf documents this way, I was planning to do someting similar with spreadsheets. Do you know whether you can convert a content.xml from one line to the traditional indented version (the one you see when opening an XML file with Firefox, for example) and still be read without problems by the application? I'd say the parser should be good enough to do that, but... I. From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 09:57:34 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:57:34 -0400 Subject: OT: ubuntu eee issues In-Reply-To: <48DF7AE7.90809@gmail.com> References: <1AD6659B-B164-4EC0-9E12-56C262C3D69B@gmail.com> <48DF7AE7.90809@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is hardy 8.04. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:39 AM, lanzen wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > >> I know I should be asking this on the ubuntu list, but I don't >> subscribe anymore. Is there a list specific to ubuntu eee? > > Not that I know of. I usually start searches at > http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page > > >> I can't get automount of removable usb drives to work. It complains >> about permissions. I have insured the user has all permissions in the >> Users & Groups GUI and the appropriate parts of the Authorizations >> GUI. Still get the error whenever I insert a USB stick. >> >> The other problem involves getting stnaptics/gsynaptics to work. I >> have inserted the SHMConfig option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I still >> get the error that it is not there. >> >> Any ideas? > > I don't have these two issues and all worked mostly since installed. > The > only thing that come o mind, is it a recent version? > > -- > lanzen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:06:23 2008 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:06:23 +0700 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: > > If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and > install them on Linux? It's not necessary. apt-get install msttcorefonts -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:19:47 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:19:47 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86AD0EAD-012D-4985-AA2D-5B2C8EAF6C3B@gmail.com> Remember when xfree86 did not support ttf? Only ps type 2? Now you can install any and all of your ttf fonts. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 29, 2008, at 6:06 AM, "Robert Parker" wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: >> >> If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and >> install them on Linux? > > It's not necessary. > apt-get install msttcorefonts > > -- > In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux > instead! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:29:20 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:29:20 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48DFFF94.9060700@bmts.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48DFFF94.9060700@bmts.com> Message-ID: <739A7719-C419-4DF5-B93F-164AF7242739@gmail.com> When I tried it last, it was far less mature than ooo, and I found that the word processor behaved more like a desktop publisher than a word processor. That was a while ago, and you may actually like the framemaker-like way of doing things. I'd stick with ooo if you need ms office compatibility. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 28, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Scott wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. >> Ever >> since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think >> it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but >> what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything >> special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave >> better >> in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it >> would >> look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? > I have not used the newer version yet, but I am currently trying > out > version 1.6.3. It seems to use less system resources and, I think, > because it uses KDE libraries it takes up less hard drive space > too. I > have not tried it out long enough to develop a full opinion yet and > would like to see what other people think myself. > > The one thing I have noticed is a little thing that is annoying. > In > every other spreadsheet I have ever used (even including on the Palm) > there is always a button beside the A and above the one in the upper > left corner of the sheet. When you press this button it would do a > select all. For some reason Kspread does not have this and I can't > find > an easy way to select all. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > http://sgaming.org > > Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Sep 29 10:35:50 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:35:50 +0200 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> Message-ID: Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > I have an HP LaserJet 1020 which I want to use for several computers. I > have it attached to a print server on my network. I can ping the print > server just fine, and I installed it using CUPS. When I try to print a > test page I get this error: > > Unable to write print data: Broken pipe > > I Googled this error, but so far all I have found is a lot of other > people who got it, but not much in the way of solutions. Any idea where > I can go with this next? > > Regards, > The 1020 is supported by hplip. So, make sure that hplip is installed. If this does not solve your problem, try "hp-setup" (from the commandline as root). Still no success? Google for hplip and find: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html Maybe the "troubleshooting"-link there will help you along. Surely I missed it. Please let us know, what the name and type of your printserver is. From time to time, I found that "non HP jetdirect" printservers might have trouble to work with hp printers. Admittedly this does not happen often, but it happens now and then. kind regards Eberhard From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Sep 29 10:48:32 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:48:32 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290024n3ed8b102g7efd9346a3eaf457@mail.gmail.com> <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: Valter Mura wrote: > Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 09:24:56 Willy Hamra ha scritto: > >> you convinced me! no, i don't need it for a corporate environment, nor >> am i the kind of people that types more than a dozen page a day, only >> 4 or 5 pages a day. OOo is full of features, which even though i >> rarely use them, they can come in handy sometimes, for a certain >> document. but i guess having a lighter and faster program is more >> important to me than these rarely used features. > > I totally disagree with this line. > > What about if you can buy "almost only" Ford cars and if you go to a seller > and you find only them in exhibition? This is the sad situation. > >> the only downside is if this new version is also incapable of dealing >> with MS office files as you mentioned. and someone mentioned it has >> problems with OOo files? i hope not. >> can koffice save or export as PDF? > > Again; > > http://www.koffice.org/filters/1.6/ > > Regards, Btw, _any_ linux application that can print, can print to pdf. regards Eberhard From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:56:56 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:56:56 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809291256.56665.valtermura@gmail.com> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 12:48:32 Eberhard Roloff ha scritto: > >> the only downside is if this new version is also incapable of dealing > >> with MS office files as you mentioned. and someone mentioned it has > >> problems with OOo files? i hope not. > >> can koffice save or export as PDF? > > > > Again; > > > > http://www.koffice.org/filters/1.6/ > > > > Regards, > > Btw, _any_ linux application that can print, can print to pdf. Yes, of course, I forgot this... :-) Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:06:31 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:06:31 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/29 Robert Parker : > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: >> >> If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and >> install them on Linux? > > It's not necessary. > apt-get install msttcorefonts > That will not install any of the fonts from MS Office and they are the one you want. / Jonas From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Sep 29 11:20:56 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:20:56 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/29 Robert Parker : >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: >>> If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and >>> install them on Linux? >> It's not necessary. >> apt-get install msttcorefonts >> > > That will not install any of the fonts from MS Office and they are the > one you want. > Then you are legally out of luck. Either you will have buy a license of windows and MS-office, as Robert suggested, (which you do not use as a Linux User) or you'll need to license the fonts. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/RedistributionFAQ.mspx Kind regards Eberhard From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 11:22:30 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:22:30 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809290722.30876.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: >2008/9/29 Robert Parker : >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: >>> If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and >>> install them on Linux? >> >> It's not necessary. >> apt-get install msttcorefonts > >That will not install any of the fonts from MS Office and they are the >one you want. > >/ Jonas Can those be obtained from goldenweb.it? I've picked up some very nice fonts for Ooo from there, but you may have to rummage around. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Ryan's Law: Make three correct guesses consecutively and you will establish yourself as an expert. From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:29:41 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:29:41 +0200 Subject: OT: ubuntu eee issues In-Reply-To: References: <1AD6659B-B164-4EC0-9E12-56C262C3D69B@gmail.com> <48DF7AE7.90809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E0BC25.1020801@gmail.com> On 29/09/2008 Art Alexion wrote: > It is hardy 8.04. > lsb_release gives me Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 8.04.1 Release: 8.04 Codename: hardy and uname -a Linux ikkyu4 2.6.24-21-eeepc #1 SMP Thu Aug 7 22:18:05 MDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux on a p701 If it's earlier than that, the last version should work better. -- lanzen From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:35:17 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:35:17 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <7F41E029-AA53-40E6-94B6-19CCCD52E361@gmail.com> Interesting last paragraph. (Sorry, the iTouch mail.app doesn't allow selecting of quoted text for trimming) I use KDE/kontact for everything personal and prefer it, but gnome and evolution integrate much better on my work machine. It does seem to be a matter of philosophy. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:35 PM, Paul Lemmons wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> I've read in Kubuntu's website about the new koffice beta released. >> Ever >> since i started using linux, i've been using openoffice, and i think >> it's a very nice suite, definitely better than Microsoft Office. but >> what about this koffice? i've never seen it or tried it yet. anything >> special about it? any more functionality? i guess it would behave >> better >> in KDE since it's designed using qt (if i'm not mistaken), so it >> would >> look and behave better than gtk apps, but anything fancy about it? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> > KOffice is nice and simple. It does 90% of what you want in an > office suite, if you are a heavy office suite user. If you are a > lite user or are just working with personal documents that > percentage approaches 100% pretty quickly. > > I think that the biggest difference between the two products is the > philosophy driving both products. OOo's goal is to compete directly > with the MS Suite. They read and write the MS formats transparently. > Their programs compete on the feature level as well. It is their > goal to be useful in a business or corporate environment where MS > has a dominate footprint. > > Koffice take a different track. They ask the question, what makes > sense in a wordprocessor/spreadsheet/etc. Then they focus their > efforts there. They do not necessarily see that compatibility with > the MS Suite as a high priority. They want to make a good standalone > product first. > > This is a two edged sword, though. By focusing on the application > they have created a fairly usable, simple suite that meets almost > 100% of the needs of the average home user. They do this with a > small footprint and be quite nimble about it. The downside is that > it is not usable in a corporate environment. While it is pretty good > and reading Word documents, it is not perfect. The last time I tried > it it could not write Word documents at all. If you want to used > alternatives to MS in a large business it must be able to play 100% > with the MS Suite. > > You may hear a little frustration here. I really like KDE. I really > WANT to use the PIM and Office suites. I can't. While I respect > their focus I believe that they have neglected the corporate user. > Until their suite integrates well with the the corporate world, it > will stay a tool for the hobbyist and home user. It is really too > bad. It could be so much more. > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:44:21 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:44:21 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> Message-ID: I don't know about ooo opening old doc files better than word 2007, but the Linux version of ooo opens the new docx files better than older versions of word. My cash-strapped non-profit mostly uses office 2000 still, and I used to install ooo windows so they could open docx files. Though the Linux version handles them well, the windows version lost its ability to recognize them. I suspect a windows update broke this. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 AM, Knapp wrote: > Want to have fun look at file size for 3 text documents between the > big four. > Word > OO > Kword > Acrobat > > There load speed is about in that order too, starting with slowest. (I > have not used word in years, so maybe it is faster now.) > Their ability to open Word docs in about in that order too but I have > heard that sometimes OO does better than word with opening old MS > files. > Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that > switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more > loading. Does it still? > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 29 12:12:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:12:53 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> Valter Mura wrote: > Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 09:35:01 Willy Hamra ha scritto: > >> not any faster, in MS office 2007, try pasting 2 pages, with at least >> one picture in them, happy waiting :P it took about 1 minute on a 3.0 >> GHz CPU! OOo has only one problem with MS files, and that is fonts! >> the use of different fonts by the 2 suites is really a problem. some >> guy comes in with a MS office 2003 doc file, using some fancy font >> (one of the fonts supplied by MS office, not a custom one), i open it >> with OOo, and... looks horrible in some normal font. that's one of the >> reasons i keep MS office installed on all my windows PCs, in case i >> can't print it from kubuntu. > > And this is due to the reckless evolution of the computer market... > 90% of computers has Windows and we must fight against these things... That's awfully naive. As a Linux user I believe in _Freedom_ to use the software you want. That means that if, for various poorly-thought reasons, my colleagues are using Word, I absolutely need to be able to read and write Word documents. And because I'm a decent person, it doesn't mean I rewrite them in some Open format before sending them back, and then complain because they won't accept them. >> > Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that >> > switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more >> > loading. Does it still? >> >> not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows version >> does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and even >> when not, switching application is fast. > > Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way > OOo is faster... What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. -- derek From khj at cs.appstate.edu Mon Sep 29 12:16:33 2008 From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:16:33 -0400 Subject: Two Screen Saver "Slide Show" Images Simultaneously Displayed! In-Reply-To: <873ajtvsur.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> (Kenneth Jacker's message of "Sun\, 21 Sep 2008 22\:04\:28 -0400") References: <873ajtvsur.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <87tzbz5eqm.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> [ Sorry about the "self reply", but wanted to close the "thread". ] khj> Whenever I enable the "Banners & Pictures/Slide Show" khj> option within the "Screen Saver Settings" and the "screen khj> saver" starts up, I see *two* images displayed -- centered, one khj> on top of the other -- from within the specified "Image Folder"! I replaced the older ATI video board with a newer NVidia one, and the double image problem went away! So, apparently there was an "issue" with the 8.04 X11 server, video device driver and/or KDE. Problem solved. -Kenneth From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 29 12:15:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:15:54 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <48E04CE6.3040809@lemmons.name> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340809290306i35187ce1s838f55ea53cacbc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1535327.Tamng0pNIo@cedar.serverforest.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Jonas Norlander wrote: >> 2008/9/29 Robert Parker : >>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: >>>> If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and >>>> install them on Linux? >>> It's not necessary. >>> apt-get install msttcorefonts >>> >> >> That will not install any of the fonts from MS Office and they are the >> one you want. >> > Then you are legally out of luck. Maybe... > > Either you will have buy a license of windows and MS-office, as Robert > suggested, (which you do not use as a Linux User) or you'll need to > license the fonts. > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/RedistributionFAQ.mspx I maintain that I _bought_ a license for Windows, and Word (not Office) when I got my laptop with preinstalled Windows. I realize MS claims I can't actually use those within Linux, but they can sue me... (I wouldn't expect to win in the US, I _do_ expect to win in Canada). -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 12:37:50 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:37:50 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E0CC1E.9020305@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Valter Mura wrote: > >> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 09:35:01 Willy Hamra ha scritto: >> >>> not any faster, in MS office 2007, try pasting 2 pages, with at least >>> one picture in them, happy waiting :P it took about 1 minute on a 3.0 >>> GHz CPU! OOo has only one problem with MS files, and that is fonts! >>> the use of different fonts by the 2 suites is really a problem. some >>> guy comes in with a MS office 2003 doc file, using some fancy font >>> (one of the fonts supplied by MS office, not a custom one), i open it >>> with OOo, and... looks horrible in some normal font. that's one of the >>> reasons i keep MS office installed on all my windows PCs, in case i >>> can't print it from kubuntu. >> And this is due to the reckless evolution of the computer market... >> 90% of computers has Windows and we must fight against these things... > > That's awfully naive. As a Linux user I believe in _Freedom_ to use the > software you want. That means that if, for various poorly-thought reasons, > my colleagues are using Word, I absolutely need to be able to read and > write Word documents. And because I'm a decent person, it doesn't mean I > rewrite them in some Open format before sending them back, and then > complain because they won't accept them. > >>>> Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that >>>> switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more >>>> loading. Does it still? >>> not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows version >>> does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and even >>> when not, switching application is fast. >> Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way >> OOo is faster... > > What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > Have you checked the Memory settings in Ooo? Tools/options/Openoffie.org/Memory. I have the following: Undo steps 20, Graphics cache 100Mb for Ooo, 10 Mb per object, remove from memory after 10 minutes and Number of objects 20. With those settings Ooo opens quite fast imho. You can also make it faster by disabling use of Java Runtime Environment in Ooo. I think only the wizards use it but I could be wrong, I am no expert user. Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 13:09:16 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:09:16 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 14:12:53 Derek Broughton ha scritto: > > > > And this is due to the reckless evolution of the computer market... > > 90% of computers has Windows and we must fight against these things... > > That's awfully naive. As a Linux user I believe in _Freedom_ to use the > software you want. That means that if, for various poorly-thought reasons, > my colleagues are using Word, I absolutely need to be able to read and > write Word documents. And because I'm a decent person, it doesn't mean I > rewrite them in some Open format before sending them back, and then > complain because they won't accept them. Oh, yes, you're right. But explain me which is the reason why "in my country" (I don't know in yours), when the average customer cannot choose between an open source OS and a propietary one. If you go in a shop, the 100% (except for MAC systems) of the systems are Windows... Nobody in the shop asks you: "Hey, do you want a Windows system or a Linux one in your new desktop?" The naive thought made the fortune of Mr. Gates. > > >> > Also OO used to open the whole office at the same time so that > >> > switching between writing and spread sheet did not mean any more > >> > loading. Does it still? > >> > >> not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows version > >> does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and even > >> when not, switching application is fast. > > > > Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way > > OOo is faster... > > What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. What do you mean? Docs stored in the Internet? Perhaps your connection is slow, I use OpenOffice.org with no problems and without these kind of delays... -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 29 14:27:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:27:38 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E0CC1E.9020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1320523.SSWaRAFMbb@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > > You can also make it faster by disabling use of Java Runtime Environment > in Ooo. To which the only possible response is "oooo" :-) > I think only the wizards use it but I could be wrong, I am no > expert user. I didn't know that. Another thing that bugs me about opening files from the net with OO is that it does it in some manner that's completely different from _every_ other app I've ever used. Generally, when I click on a file link, it either gets opened by some local app, or I get a prompt asking whether to save or open it. If I ask to have it opened by OO, instead of just opening the downloaded stream, it appears to send a separate request to the server for the file - requiring me to log in again to sites requiring a login. So it takes a minute to start up OO, and only _then_ do I get a username/password prompt. It's generally faster to save to /tmp and then open the /tmp file. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Sep 29 14:40:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:40:30 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> Valter Mura wrote: > Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 14:12:53 Derek Broughton ha scritto: > > Oh, yes, you're right. But explain me which is the reason why "in my > country" (I don't know in yours), when the average customer cannot choose > between an open source OS and a propietary one. If you go in a shop, the > 100% (except for MAC systems) of the systems are Windows... Then demand Linux. 100% seems awfully high - back when I used to by my systems from a friend who built PCs in his basement, I could have had Linux if I wanted (in fact, I think I _did_ get my first linux CD from him). Unfortunately, he's now 2000km away :-) It shouldn't be too difficult to find places like his, though. >> >> not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows version >> >> does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and even >> >> when not, switching application is fast. >> > >> > Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way >> > OOo is faster... >> >> What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > > What do you mean? Docs stored in the Internet? Perhaps your connection is > slow, I use OpenOffice.org with no problems and without these kind of > delays... No, actually I was thinking of spreadsheets on my own laptop, coming from a server I'm testing. I just tried to open a 93 byte .csv file with OO, and it took 95 seconds just to get to the point of prompting me for a login/password (which it shouldn't be doing, anyway). -- derek From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 14:55:40 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:55:40 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0809290755r19682a5bmbaab6f8b035eada5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > No, actually I was thinking of spreadsheets on my own laptop, coming from a > server I'm testing. I just tried to open a 93 byte .csv file with OO, and > it took 95 seconds just to get to the point of prompting me for a > login/password (which it shouldn't be doing, anyway). > Are you using Konqueror, Firefox, Thunderbird, directly entering an smb: file name, or mounting an smb folder or what? I have never seen anything like this myself in the years I have used OO. The only time that seems to happen is if I click on a URL pointing to a file name, but it also seems that I get the password prompt from Firefox, not OO. If I open a 12 MB document from my network server, it takes a long time, like 10 seconds (forever in Internet time) before the document opens. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps a moderator would email me with a solution to my problem. My Problem with Ktorrent is in the downloading of a movie. It is 80% completed on the download, however on status it shows no data to update. This has happened before; usually I just delete and forget it, however this movie is a classic and I very much want it, and it rarely surfaces for download. When the tracker is refreshed, immediately it is shows that all data is available and download resumes for perhaps a minute then data availability returns to zero until the next time it is refreshed. This has been happening for days. Am I failing some protocol of behavior and being restricted? If so, how can I correct this? I cannot think of anything I have done that would restrict my service of the program, other than if I download something that turns out to be particularly offensive, I delete and remove it before I have uploaded the amount I downloaded. Could that be the reason I am having this problem? When I am offended, I do not want to participate in offending someone else. Steven From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 15:00:30 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:00:30 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1320523.SSWaRAFMbb@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <48E0CC1E.9020305@gmail.com> <1320523.SSWaRAFMbb@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48E0ED8E.4060301@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> You can also make it faster by disabling use of Java Runtime Environment >> in Ooo. > > To which the only possible response is "oooo" :-) > >> I think only the wizards use it but I could be wrong, I am no >> expert user. > > I didn't know that. > > Another thing that bugs me about opening files from the net with OO is that > it does it in some manner that's completely different from _every_ other > app I've ever used. > > Generally, when I click on a file link, it either gets opened by some local > app, or I get a prompt asking whether to save or open it. If I ask to have > it opened by OO, instead of just opening the downloaded stream, it appears > to send a separate request to the server for the file - requiring me to log > in again to sites requiring a login. So it takes a minute to start up OO, > and only _then_ do I get a username/password prompt. It's generally faster > to save to /tmp and then open the /tmp file. I dont have that problem but then the docs/files I use from servers are normally on windows server shares in a LAN. No speed problem there. Sinclair From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 15:03:22 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:03:22 +0200 Subject: Free computers? Message-ID: I have friend working in a large store in the USA. He just told me that they are throwing out all the PCs that will not run Vista. You and I both know that these computer will run Kubuntu just fine. I wonder how many other stores are doing this? Want a fairly new free computer? Just go to the dump. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 29 15:10:46 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:10:46 -0400 Subject: Free computers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E0EFF6.3080904@sbcglobal.net> Knapp wrote: > I have friend working in a large store in the USA. He just told me > that they are throwing out all the PCs that will not run Vista. > You and I both know that these computer will run Kubuntu just fine. I > wonder how many other stores are doing this? Want a fairly new free > computer? Just go to the dump. > > I would like to know the name of a store that is doing this. I church teaches how to operate computers to the needy. When finished they give them a computer, however mostly the computers they give are not very current. Some of the Pentium II's and III's. That sure would reduce a sad waste and help a lot of unfortunate people. Steven From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 15:17:46 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:17:46 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809291117.51205.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 6:48:32 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Btw, _any_ linux application that can print, can print to pdf. I assume you are talking about the CUPS/PDF driver. I use this all of the time but with a fresh install of Hardy for eee, I can't find the resulting PDFs. On every other *ubuntu, they are in ~/PDF, but not with this install. Furthermore, I can't find where the location can be set or changed. Anyone? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Mon Sep 29 15:19:30 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:19:30 +0200 Subject: Free computers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809291719.30389.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Monday 29 September 2008 17:03, Knapp wrote: > I have friend working in a large store in the USA. He just told me > that they are throwing out all the PCs that will not run Vista. > You and I both know that these computer will run Kubuntu just fine. I > wonder how many other stores are doing this? Want a fairly new free > computer? Just go to the dump. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp The best I've got from stuff put out on the pavement (sidewalk) in the small town where I live in France, is a couple of keyboards. There were 15" crt monitors as well, but I've only got a bike, and those were seriously out of the question. If there had of been PC's, I think I would have struggled along with one, balanced it on the saddle, and walked the 3 miles home. Nigel. From richard.ibbotson at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 15:23:55 2008 From: richard.ibbotson at gmail.com (Richard Ibbotson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:23:55 +0100 Subject: Free computers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809291623.55537.richard.ibbotson@gmail.com> On Monday 29 September 2008 16:03:22 Knapp wrote: > I have friend working in a large store in the USA. He just told me > that they are throwing out all the PCs that will not run Vista. > You and I both know that these computer will run Kubuntu just fine. > I wonder how many other stores are doing this? Want a fairly new > free computer? Just go to the dump. http://www.freecycle.org/ Quite a few computers and spares and CDs can be found here. If your local group is at all active. Our own Sheffield branch here in the UK is absolutely amazing. -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 15:27:27 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:27:27 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1535327.Tamng0pNIo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <1535327.Tamng0pNIo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809291127.27594.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 8:15:54 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> 2008/9/29 Robert Parker : > >>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Knapp wrote: > >>>> If you have windows then can't you just take the fonts from it and > >>>> install them on Linux? > >>> > >>> It's not necessary. > >>> apt-get install msttcorefonts > >> > >> That will not install any of the fonts from MS Office and they are the > >> one you want. > > > > Then you are legally out of luck. > > Maybe... > > > Either you will have buy a license of windows and MS-office, as Robert > > suggested, (which you do not use as a Linux User) or you'll need to > > license the fonts. > > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/RedistributionFAQ.mspx > > I maintain that I _bought_ a license for Windows, and Word (not Office) > when I got my laptop with preinstalled Windows. I realize MS claims I > can't actually use those within Linux, but they can sue me... (I wouldn't > expect to win in the US, I _do_ expect to win in Canada). If you have the fonts, copy them to a removable medium. Insert the medium into your Linux box. Open the medium in konqueror. Open a new tab in konqueror and navigate to fonts:// Select the fonts you want to install and drag and drop them into either the user or system folder under fonts:// Easy as that. If you put the fonts on a web site for public download you might get sued. If you try to sell them you might get sued. But if you copy them personally from one machine to another — and even write a letter to MS saying you are doing that — you are highly unlikely to face a lawsuit. That's not legal advice. No, no, no. It is pragmatic common sense. Oh, and some of the fonts you may want don't even belong to MS, but to Bitstream, Adobe, etc. MS is just a licensee. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 15:31:06 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:31:06 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: > What a joke!  OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. You are either downloading enormously complex docs, or your machine needs some tuning. I didn't even have that issue with a PIII. One thing that can really slow down OOo loading is too many extensions loading at once. You can actually install so many that it takes an hour for the app to start. I learned that the hard way. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 15:36:04 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:36:04 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809291736.04628.valtermura@gmail.com> Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 16:40:30 Derek Broughton ha scritto: > Valter Mura wrote: > > Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 14:12:53 Derek Broughton ha scritto: > > > > Oh, yes, you're right. But explain me which is the reason why "in my > > country" (I don't know in yours), when the average customer cannot choose > > between an open source OS and a propietary one. If you go in a shop, the > > 100% (except for MAC systems) of the systems are Windows... > > Then demand Linux. 100% seems awfully high - back when I used to by my > systems from a friend who built PCs in his basement, I could have had Linux > if I wanted (in fact, I think I _did_ get my first linux CD from him). > Unfortunately, he's now 2000km away :-) It shouldn't be too difficult to > find places like his, though. Yes, I understand it... :-) , also here I can find single, private technicians who set up a good Linux-based system. But I'm referring to "average customer"..., people that go to a supermarket to buy a comp. This is a problem of informatics culture and education. Many people don't even know that there are different possibilties. They know there is Windows, IE, MSN and so on. Office suite? obviously, cracked MS Office! this is not the way to proceed, not, at least in the 2008... I'm not pointing my finger against Microsoft (well, many things are to say, but...), but against (my) Government. MS is doing its job... How do Government protect citizens against the overwhelming power of Uncle Bill? But, sorry, this thread is becoming too OT and it's better to stop it here. > > >> >> not sure about the version supplied by ubuntu, but the windows > >> >> version does. it starts blazing fast since it's always preloaded, and > >> >> even when not, switching application is fast. > >> > > >> > Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this > >> > way OOo is faster... > >> > >> What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > > > > What do you mean? Docs stored in the Internet? Perhaps your connection is > > slow, I use OpenOffice.org with no problems and without these kind of > > delays... > > No, actually I was thinking of spreadsheets on my own laptop, coming from a > server I'm testing. I just tried to open a 93 byte .csv file with OO, and > it took 95 seconds just to get to the point of prompting me for a > login/password (which it shouldn't be doing, anyway). Hmmm I think this is odd. Why don't you open an issue in Openoffice.org site? Maybe you could help them or you'd find something similar. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html (registration needed) Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 16:40:52 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:40:52 +0200 Subject: Free computers? In-Reply-To: <48E0EFF6.3080904@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E0EFF6.3080904@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> I have friend working in a large store in the USA. He just told me >> that they are throwing out all the PCs that will not run Vista. >> You and I both know that these computer will run Kubuntu just fine. I >> wonder how many other stores are doing this? Want a fairly new free >> computer? Just go to the dump. >> >> > I would like to know the name of a store that is doing this. I church > teaches how to operate computers to the needy. When finished they give > them a computer, however mostly the computers they give are not very > current. Some of the Pentium II's and III's. That sure would reduce a > sad waste and help a lot of unfortunate people. > > Steven I would love to say but I don't feel good about sending out private trusted insider info over a public system or in a way that it could be recorded. But that being said, this can't be the only store with this problem, which is why I posted it. I would call around and see what you might scare up. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From teeahr1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 16:47:18 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:47:18 -0500 Subject: OT: Why not Linux? (was Re: KOffice vs. OpenOffice) In-Reply-To: <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809291147.20131.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Monday September 29 2008 09:40:30 Derek Broughton wrote: > Valter Mura wrote: > > Il lunedì 29 settembre 2008 14:12:53 Derek Broughton ha scritto: > > > > Oh, yes, you're right. But explain me which is the reason why "in my > > country" (I don't know in yours), when the average customer cannot choose > > between an open source OS and a propietary one. If you go in a shop, the > > 100% (except for MAC systems) of the systems are Windows... > > Then demand Linux. 100% seems awfully high - back when I used to by my > systems from a friend who built PCs in his basement, I could have had Linux > if I wanted (in fact, I think I _did_ get my first linux CD from him). > Unfortunately, he's now 2000km away :-) It shouldn't be too difficult to > find places like his, though. Or do what I did and do it yourself! I realized there was nobody in my town (and I live in a city of 400,000) selling or supporting Linux machines, and said "I smell money." My friends told me I was loony, they told me "There's no market for it." I said "I can make a market." So I started selling and supporting and marketing desktop Linux to Joe and Jane User (Linux exclusively; I do not handle Windows and I do not handle Macs). That was 36 months ago. Today I am doing well enough that six months back I quit my day job. Not only that, but I'm making an impact on my market. I know of at least one shop that used to be Win-only that now supports (but does not sell) Ubuntu machines. Because of me. There is at least one middle school that now accepts students' work in .odf as well as .doc. Because of me (me personally that time, I had an upset customer call me and complain, and I called the teacher about it.) I say this not to be like "Ooh, look at me and what I'm doing," but to let people know that it can totally be done, but the only way it's going to get done is if people just do it themselves. It's a complex ecosystem. Every major city has some sort of Best Buy-ish place(s), they're Win/Mac only because they're Evil Corporations and they're all in bed with each other, and you and I can't affect that directly. But every major city also has the legion of freelance/small-time operators that put fliers at coffeeshops and stuff. These guys aren't selling Windows because they're married to Windows, they're just trying to make the rent and it's accepted wisdom that that's the way to do it. Now that's something I can affect. Me selling Linux machines makes me money, which is good for me. It also establishes Linux as a player in the market (a tiny tiny player, but I'm just one guy), which means somebody might ask some other freelancer "Hey, what about this Linux thing I saw at the coffeeshop?" or they might ask their kid's teacher "Why can't my kid hand in her assignment?" And that's good for everyone. I'm sorry, I've gone on for a while here, as I am wont to do when I start talking about my job (zealot for hire, that's me). I'll end this with a Linus Torvalds quote. *The Linux philosophy is to laugh in the face of danger. Oops, wrong one. "Do it yourself," that's it.* -pete daniels, zealot for hire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And because I'm a decent person, it > doesn't mean I > > > rewrite them in some Open format before sending them back, and > then > > > complain because they won't accept them. > > Oh, yes, you're right. But explain me which is the reason why "in my > country" > (I don't know in yours), when the average customer cannot choose > between an > open source OS and a propietary one. If you go in a shop, the 100% > (except > for MAC systems) of the systems are Windows... > > Nobody in the shop asks you: "Hey, do you want a Windows system or a > Linux one > in your new desktop?" > > The naive thought made the fortune of Mr. Gates. > > My better half was out shopping for a computer part the other day and sitting in a prominate position in this one store was a desktop running Ubuntu. This isn't a national chain store but a local, popular, computer store, but it's a good thing to see. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 29 16:56:26 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:56:26 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. Message-ID: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> When I click on the box to maximize a window, it fills the screen and beyond. Additionally the middle box in the upper right corner does not change to two overlapping boxes, it retains the single box icon and the window can be dragged rather than staying fixed in place like it should. The biggest problem that this creates is that vertically the data in the window goes below the bottom of the screen, and I am unable to get the grabbers that resize the window. It causes problems when you have to click on an Administrator button at the bottom of a window, because when you drag a page to the top of the screen, there is still data below the bottom of the screen. The Administrator button is usually located at the bottom right next to the apply option, so if you can't drag the window high enough to expose the Administrator option you can not get the necessary Administrator priveleges. I am not yet capable using a terminal. Additionally, the drag to resize the window feature on my computer will only allow me to reduce the window to about 1/2 the screen width even though I can drag the window Up/Down as large or small as I want. And this isn't the case always. Sometimes I have been able to resize a window to perhaps an inch high by an inch wide, but usually width is restricted, and height can not be adjusted. I haven't yet noticed specifically what is happing when the difference in resizing ability allows resizing to any size you choose as opposed to when you restricted to about 1/2 the screen width regardless of height. I do remember that width restrictions do appear when I use Dolphin. But it has always been that way in Dolphin even though I would alway prefers to be able to resize to my own preference. This is a very difficult thought to try to describe, I hope I am being understood. Steven From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 17:03:52 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:03:52 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0809291003j5b8336b4wb6e7e86f47b0989b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > When I click on the box to maximize a window, it fills the screen and > beyond. I have only seen this when the desktop size is greater than the screen size. Let us say that your screen is 1024x768. If your desktop is set to 1280x1024, then some windows and such can go out of where you can see them. Can you move your mouse off the visible screen, too? That is another symptom of this. > Additionally the middle box in the upper right corner does not > change to two overlapping boxes, it retains the single box icon and the > window can be dragged rather than staying fixed in place like it > should. I don't know why this would happen. It may also be a problem with some sort of 3D graphics setting or other desktop setting. Or maybe even the wrong video driver. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 17:57:54 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:57:54 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 12:56:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > When I click on the box to maximize a window, it fills the screen and > beyond. Two things come to mind. First, you can have a virtual setting in xorg.conf. If that is the case, moving the mouse beyond the edge of the screen causes it to pan. If you like the "larger" view of a low resolution, but need to use dialogs and such that are written for 1024x768 or greater, this virtual setting may be good for you. If that is not the case and you have your video set for 800x600 or below, that may be the cause of your problem. A number of developers are not testing their GUI at these low resolutions and the dialogs don't fit the screen. In this case you can (1) use a virtual resolution, (2) increase your resolution to 1024x768, or (3) live with it by holding down the Alt key while clicking on the dialog to move it around. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Sep 29 18:43:24 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:43:24 -0500 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> On 09/29/2008 Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 12:56:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > When I click on the box to maximize a window, it fills the screen > and > > > beyond. > > Two things come to mind. > > First, you can have a virtual setting in xorg.conf. If that is the case, > moving the mouse beyond the edge of the screen causes it to pan. If you like > the "larger" view of a low resolution, but need to use dialogs and such that > are written for 1024x768 or greater, this virtual setting may be good for you. This caught my attention. I have the same problem on my EeePC. The screen is SO small that even at higher resolutions settings box's and such sometimes run off the edge. What would you add/change? -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 29 19:48:36 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:48:36 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 09/29/2008 Art Alexion wrote: > >> On Monday 29 September 2008 12:56:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> > > When I click on the box to maximize a window, it fills the screen >> and >> > > beyond. >> >> Two things come to mind. >> >> First, you can have a virtual setting in xorg.conf. If that is the case, >> moving the mouse beyond the edge of the screen causes it to pan. If >> > you like > >> the "larger" view of a low resolution, but need to use dialogs and >> > such that > >> are written for 1024x768 or greater, this virtual setting may be good >> > for you. > > > This caught my attention. I have the same problem on my EeePC. The > screen is SO small that even at higher resolutions settings box's and > such sometimes run off the edge. > > What would you add/change? > It *isn't* like not having a big enough screen, it is having too long a page *where the scrolling option is missing*. If I could scroll to read what is below the screen, I wouldn't consider it a problem. When I say screen, I mean the monitor's surface, when I say window I mean the page that you open on the screen. When that window exceeds the screen and their is no scrolling capability, you cannot get to the hidden information. This isn't all the time. While I am writing you, I have the ability to scroll down; what I am talking about is for instance using my torrent program. That as well as other packages is affected by this problem. Many of the buttons that allow you to view alternate information involving the ktorrent package are at the bottom of the page. I am talking about things like status, peers, etc. The window that provides all that information is longer than my computer screen, and in that package (Ktorrent), there is no way to scroll to get to what is at the bottom. When I am able to move a page around on the screen, I can only move the page until the cursor gets to the top of the screen, then I am stopped. Because the information continues below the bottom of the screen and because the scrolling option is not present, I can not scroll down to get to that information. I am probably getting redundant, but I am trying to reword each time until I can make myself understood. If only I were brighter. I have tried to get on the Ktorrent Forum to see if it is exclusively a ktorrent problem, but somehow my login is not accepted and they do not provide a method of correcting the problem. Asking them a question that they themselves have not posed is not one of the choices on their webside. When I click on what should get me to someone who can help me, I am required to log in. And that is my problem there. By the way, in case I haven't included in this problem, my OS is Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.9. I realize all who are currently trying to help me are trying to understand what I am trying to say and having difficulty, for that I apologize. Steven From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Sep 29 20:06:03 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:06:03 +0100 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E1352B.6020807@yahoo.it> Steven Vollom wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> >> This caught my attention. I have the same problem on my EeePC. The >> screen is SO small that even at higher resolutions settings box's and >> such sometimes run off the edge. >> >> What would you add/change? >> > It *isn't* like not having a big enough screen, it is having too long a > page *where the scrolling option is missing*. If I could scroll to read > what is below the screen, I wouldn't consider it a problem. When I say > screen, I mean the monitor's surface, when I say window I mean the page > that you open on the screen. When that window exceeds the screen and > their is no scrolling capability, you cannot get to the hidden > information. It might well be that the problems described have similar origin and maybe similar solution. I've had the same issues sometime in the past, when the resolution was too low, e.g. around 640 x 480. This was back when I had Dapper installed, at some point I managed to get the resolution to 800x600 and that solved the problem in all programs I was using. Sorry I don't have any hint on how to fix that properly. I. From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 20:20:38 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:20:38 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > > You are either downloading enormously complex docs, or your machine needs some > tuning. I didn't even have that issue with a PIII. > > One thing that can really slow down OOo loading is too many extensions loading > at once. You can actually install so many that it takes an hour for the app > to start. I learned that the hard way. That reminds me of the time I put every font I could find on the net on my computer. Some things started taking forever to load and sometimes would sit for minutes when certain buttons were push. I forget how many I had, 5000+? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 20:22:01 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:22:01 +0200 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: 2008/9/29 Steven Vollom : > It *isn't* like not having a big enough screen, it is having too long a > page *where the scrolling option is missing*. If I could scroll to read > what is below the screen, I wouldn't consider it a problem. When I say > screen, I mean the monitor's surface, when I say window I mean the page > that you open on the screen. When that window exceeds the screen and > their is no scrolling capability, you cannot get to the hidden > information. > > This isn't all the time. While I am writing you, I have the ability to > scroll down; what I am talking about is for instance using my torrent > program. That as well as other packages is affected by this problem. > > Many of the buttons that allow you to view alternate information > involving the ktorrent package are at the bottom of the page. I am > talking about things like status, peers, etc. The window that > provides all that information is longer than my computer screen, and in > that package (Ktorrent), there is no way to scroll to get to what is at > the bottom. When I am able to move a page around on the screen, I can > only move the page until the cursor gets to the top of the screen, then > I am stopped. Because the information continues below the bottom of the > screen and because the scrolling option is not present, I can not scroll > down to get to that information. Not a answer to your problem but perhaps a workaround. If you holding the Alt key down and left click in a windows with the mouse you can drag the windows so you can see the whole window. / Jonas From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 21:03:31 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:03:31 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200809291703.31778.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 2:43:24 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > What would you add/change? man xorg.conf | grep -5 virtual I don't recall the syntax off the top of my head and don't have it currently set to check. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 21:06:19 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:06:19 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 3:48:36 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > It *isn't* like not having a big enough screen, it is having too long a > page *where the scrolling option is missing*.  If I could scroll to read > what is below the screen, I wouldn't consider it a problem.  When I say > screen, I mean the monitor's surface, when I say window I mean the page > that you open on the screen.  When that window exceeds the screen and > their is no scrolling capability, you cannot get to the hidden > information. I understood that from your initial post. What screen resolution are you running? When your mouse bumps up against the edge of the screen does it "scroll down"? It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your reply. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 21:08:43 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:08:43 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E1352B.6020807@yahoo.it> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <48E1352B.6020807@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200809291708.43856.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 4:06:03 pm Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > I've had the same issues sometime in the past, > when the resolution was too low, e.g. around 640 x 480. This was back > when I had Dapper installed, at some point I managed to get the > resolution to 800x600 and that solved the problem in all programs I was > using. Sorry I don't have any hint on how to fix that properly. The low resolution IS the problem. Solving it involves using a higher resolution, if you do not have a visual impairment that prohibits that. If you do have a visual impairment, consider using the virtual resolution capability of xorg, as described in previous posts. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 21:19:39 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:19:39 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E12C99.9050309@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E12C99.9050309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809291719.45854.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 29 September 2008 3:29:29 pm you wrote: > Think about what you would do if you did not have the ability to scroll > down a page and important information went past the screen.  How would > you get to the information? I would hold the Alt button, left click the window while holding it down, and move the window up the screen with the mouse. > > It is a tough problem. I am not surprised you are having it, but I am surprised you are having it at 1024x768. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nadreck at palain.com Mon Sep 29 22:16:26 2008 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:16:26 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <23117658-8D6B-48F2-967F-A52759A59B0B@gmail.com> <48E012ED.5010708@palain.com> <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 28 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > >> I have verified that the ip address (192.168.1.107 on my network) and >> the port (9100) are the same on both ends. Thye server is looking for >> stuff on 9100, and CUPs on my Kubuntu box is configured to send to port >> 9100. >> > > Can you describe the method you used to set it up in CUPS. What type of > printer did you specify? (network printer I hope using port 9100) > > If you go to System Settings --> Printers --> and select the printer (lp?) > and then Properties --> Interface, you should see something like: > > > Network Printer (socket) > URI: socket://192.168.1.107:9100 > That is *exactly* what I see there. Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." -- Ernest Hemingway From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Sep 29 22:38:12 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:38:12 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> Message-ID: <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > > Network Printer (socket) > > URI:     socket://192.168.1.107:9100 > >   > > That is *exactly* what I see there. All I can add is that print servers (and some printers) can be very fussy beasts and sometimes it is required to turn everything off (to reset) and try again. If someone in the stream gets upset, nothing is going to print. From nadreck at palain.com Tue Sep 30 01:43:05 2008 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:43:05 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > >>> Network Printer (socket) >>> URI: socket://192.168.1.107:9100 >>> >>> >> That is *exactly* what I see there. >> > > All I can add is that print servers (and some printers) can be very fussy > beasts and sometimes it is required to turn everything off (to reset) and try > again. If someone in the stream gets upset, nothing is going to print Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be difficult. Thank you for your suggestions. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -- Hunter S. Thompson From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Sep 30 01:50:54 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:50:54 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> Message-ID: <200809292150.55144.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, > but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be difficult. Take a look in the error logs in /var/log/cups From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Sep 30 02:33:01 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:33:01 -0700 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <200809292150.55144.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> <200809292150.55144.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200809291933.01676.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 29 September 2008 6:50:54 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > > Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, > > but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be > > difficult. > > Take a look in the error logs in /var/log/cups I've never been able to make cups work in Linux. I have to save a document to a memory card, then remove the card and put it into the cardreader of the machine which has the printer attached and then sign into that computer and print it. Everyone tells me I have to have some sort of windows machine in my network in order to print so that is more off putting than not being able to print through my network. I have asked the question now on 18 maillists have 17,089 replies which tell me how to set up a windoze print server on my network and exactly zero replies on how to MAKE IT WORK where every one of my 8 machines run Linux. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From mlsoft at videotron.ca Tue Sep 30 06:40:39 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:40:39 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> Message-ID: <200809300240.39874.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Saturday 27 September 2008 18:09:03 Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > I have an HP LaserJet 1020 which I want to use for several computers. I > have it attached to a print server on my network. I can ping the print > server just fine, and I installed it using CUPS. When I try to print a > test page I get this error: > > Unable to write print data: Broken pipe > > I Googled this error, but so far all I have found is a lot of other > people who got it, but not much in the way of solutions. Any idea where > I can go with this next? > > Regards, > > -- > Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL > nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 > configure your print-server to accept LPD jobs and then configure cups to print on the remote LPD server as simple as that. (tested with many bizars (and not so bizars) print servers, with success) -- Martin Laberge martin.laberge at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 07:47:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:47:07 +0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/29 Derek Broughton : >> Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way >> OOo is faster... > > What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > Have you tried OOo 2.4? I find it to be acceptably quick, when the previous 2.x series was very slow to open. I'd also like to add that I had used Koffice initially for it's low resources and terrific design. However, as too many people that I communicate with standardized on .doc, that meant that I had to use OOo in any case. Instead of learning two office suites, I just use OOo for my own use. Additionally, I have never asked a question on the Koffice mailing list, but the OOo mailing list is terrific. They are very newbie friendly and there are knowledgeable people at all skill levels. Support is very important to me, and the OOo list is terrific. That alone makes it my favorite choice now, and I rarely ask questions anymore. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 07:52:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:52:02 +0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00809300052tbc252e3rab87bf8dab7d646d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/29 Derek Broughton : >> Oh, yes, you're right. But explain me which is the reason why "in my >> country" (I don't know in yours), when the average customer cannot choose >> between an open source OS and a propietary one. If you go in a shop, the >> 100% (except for MAC systems) of the systems are Windows... > > Then demand Linux. That is very good advice. Every time I go into a computer store, I make sure to mention that I use Linux very happily. When I buy hardware I ask the salesman if it works with Linux. The more that the computer stores see people using and enjoying Linux, the faster Linux acceptance will occur. But don't be a jerk about it, like the fools who booked all the Apple Genius spots. Be a nice, friendly customer who just happens to use Linux. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 07:53:41 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:53:41 +0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200809291117.51205.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> <200809291117.51205.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00809300053q440c0435gc2e7585f6d3d737e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/29 Art Alexion : > On Monday 29 September 2008 6:48:32 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Btw, _any_ linux application that can print, can print to pdf. > > I assume you are talking about the CUPS/PDF driver. I use this all of the > time but with a fresh install of Hardy for eee, I can't find the resulting > PDFs. > > On every other *ubuntu, they are in ~/PDF, but not with this install. > Furthermore, I can't find where the location can be set or changed. Anyone? > Have you looked in /tmp $HOME and $HOME/Desktop? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 09:56:30 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:56:30 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <200809291933.01676.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> <200809292150.55144.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200809291933.01676.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: To turn that around, I have never had problem getting cups to work under linux or OSX. Even when I tested Novell SLED, and I couldn't set up a shared windows printer, cups automatically configured itself to use every shared cups printer already on the network. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Pastor JW wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 6:50:54 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: >>> Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the >>> computer, >>> but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be >>> difficult. >> >> Take a look in the error logs in /var/log/cups > > I've never been able to make cups work in Linux. I have to save a > document to > a memory card, then remove the card and put it into the cardreader > of the > machine which has the printer attached and then sign into that > computer and > print it. Everyone tells me I have to have some sort of windows > machine in > my network in order to print so that is more off putting than not > being able > to print through my network. I have asked the question now on 18 > maillists > have 17,089 replies which tell me how to set up a windoze print > server on my > network and exactly zero replies on how to MAKE IT WORK where every > one of my > 8 machines run Linux. > > -- > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 09:56:40 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:56:40 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809301156.40443.valtermura@gmail.com> Il martedì 30 settembre 2008 09:47:07 Dotan Cohen ha scritto: > 2008/9/29 Derek Broughton : > >> Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way > >> OOo is faster... > > > > What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > > Have you tried OOo 2.4? I find it to be acceptably quick, when the > previous 2.x series was very slow to open. Also v. 3 is coming. Now they are at RC2 downloadable at http://download.openoffice.org/680/ -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 10:01:16 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:01:16 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <095069F5-A3C4-4D60-B9CB-53AF7E06C672@gmail.com> Dotan, The last time I looked into the ooo lists, they were such high volume that it was difficult to keep up with them. Which one do you recommend? -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:47 AM, "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > 2008/9/29 Derek Broughton : >>> Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In >>> this way >>> OOo is faster... >> >> What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. >> > > Have you tried OOo 2.4? I find it to be acceptably quick, when the > previous 2.x series was very slow to open. > > I'd also like to add that I had used Koffice initially for it's low > resources and terrific design. However, as too many people that I > communicate with standardized on .doc, that meant that I had to use > OOo in any case. Instead of learning two office suites, I just use OOo > for my own use. > > Additionally, I have never asked a question on the Koffice mailing > list, but the OOo mailing list is terrific. They are very newbie > friendly and there are knowledgeable people at all skill levels. > Support is very important to me, and the OOo list is terrific. That > alone makes it my favorite choice now, and I rarely ask questions > anymore. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ- > ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 10:05:50 2008 From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:05:50 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <880dece00809300053q440c0435gc2e7585f6d3d737e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291024.00229.valtermura@gmail.com> <200809291117.51205.art.alexion@verizon.net> <880dece00809300053q440c0435gc2e7585f6d3d737e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No, yes and yes. I will have to check /tmp. Is this configurable? Its great when you are on a laptop and want to save something to be printed later. -- Art Alexion Sent unsigned from an iPod. That's the reason for the top posting as well. On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:53 AM, "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > 2008/9/29 Art Alexion : >> On Monday 29 September 2008 6:48:32 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> Btw, _any_ linux application that can print, can print to pdf. >> >> I assume you are talking about the CUPS/PDF driver. I use this all >> of the >> time but with a fresh install of Hardy for eee, I can't find the >> resulting >> PDFs. >> >> On every other *ubuntu, they are in ~/PDF, but not with this install. >> Furthermore, I can't find where the location can be set or >> changed. Anyone? >> > > Have you looked in /tmp $HOME and $HOME/Desktop? > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ- > ק-ר-ש-ת > > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 13:34:40 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:34:40 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <095069F5-A3C4-4D60-B9CB-53AF7E06C672@gmail.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> <095069F5-A3C4-4D60-B9CB-53AF7E06C672@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I had a problem with OO, I just used IRC and got an answer quickly. Nice people there too. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 13:37:12 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:37:12 +0200 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> <095069F5-A3C4-4D60-B9CB-53AF7E06C672@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Knapp wrote: > When I had a problem with OO, I just used IRC and got an answer quickly. > Nice people there too. > I just wanted to add that when I had problems with OO, it was my problems not software bugs. I often don't like to read manuals and would rather figure it out myself and ask 2 or 3 dumb questions. :-) In this case I wanted to copy out every other line from a spreadsheet to a new page. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Sep 30 14:11:43 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:11:43 -0400 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <200809291933.01676.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809292150.55144.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200809291933.01676.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200809301011.44281.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 29 September 2008, Pastor JW wrote: >  I have asked the question now on 18 maillists > have 17,089 replies which tell me how to set up a windoze print server on > my network and exactly zero replies on how to MAKE IT WORK where every one > of my 8 machines run Linux. You must have some kind of weird setup then. Maybe telling us about your printer environment would be good. I currently use CUPS on 6 linux machines to print to an HP network printer as well as a HP 5550 printing through a network print server. But I have also used local printers using CUPS and allowing other network printers to use CUPS to print through that one linux machine with the local printer attached. This was at least 7 years ago so CUPS has been working correctly for quite some time. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 30 14:48:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:48:48 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <15edeae40809290035j463ca021i66496ce9abcd424a@mail.gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00809300047l2cf902d3s2012fa6b52d46a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1500423.o4paUuR4cx@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/9/29 Derek Broughton : >>> Yes, if you run "ooffice" OOo opens without starting a doc. In this way >>> OOo is faster... >> >> What a joke! OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. >> > > Have you tried OOo 2.4? I find it to be acceptably quick, when the > previous 2.x series was very slow to open. I'm using 2.4 -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 30 14:55:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:55:51 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809291509.16531.valtermura@gmail.com> <2071843.3vlrFmga04@cedar.serverforest.com> <3dde113c0809290755r19682a5bmbaab6f8b035eada5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3226421.YVdGuZQKq5@cedar.serverforest.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Derek Broughton > wrote: > >> No, actually I was thinking of spreadsheets on my own laptop, coming from >> a >> server I'm testing. I just tried to open a 93 byte .csv file with OO, >> and it took 95 seconds just to get to the point of prompting me for a >> login/password (which it shouldn't be doing, anyway). >> > Are you using Konqueror, Firefox, Thunderbird, directly entering an smb: > file name, or mounting an smb folder or what? Using either Konqueror or Firefox to browse a Plone (a content management system) site that requires the user to login. If I click on an Excel file, I can choose to download it, and it gets immediately saved on my filesystem. If I instead choose to "open with..." and select OO, instead of opening the downloaded stream, as I would expect, it seems to initiate a whole new dialog with the server - which requires it to login again. That shouldn't be happening with _either_ Konqueror or Firefox. I suppose I should really try out IE as well. > > I have never seen anything like this myself in the years I have used OO. > The only time that seems to happen is if I click on a URL pointing to a > file name, but it also seems that I get the password prompt from Firefox, > not OO. Maybe you do, but it still shouldn't be happening. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Sep 30 14:50:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:50:11 -0300 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291016.08039.valtermura@gmail.com> <1271484.mcaa85vyRK@cedar.serverforest.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> What a joke!  OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > > You are either downloading enormously complex docs, or your machine needs > some > tuning. I didn't even have that issue with a PIII. As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 seconds > One thing that can really slow down OOo loading is too many extensions > loading > at once. You can actually install so many that it takes an hour for the > app to start. I learned that the hard way. I haven't installed _any_. -- derek From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 17:29:43 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:29:43 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E26207.1030307@sbcglobal.net> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/9/29 Steven Vollom : > >> It *isn't* like not having a big enough screen, it is having too long a >> page *where the scrolling option is missing*. If I could scroll to read >> what is below the screen, I wouldn't consider it a problem. When I say >> screen, I mean the monitor's surface, when I say window I mean the page >> that you open on the screen. When that window exceeds the screen and >> their is no scrolling capability, you cannot get to the hidden >> information. >> >> This isn't all the time. While I am writing you, I have the ability to >> scroll down; what I am talking about is for instance using my torrent >> program. That as well as other packages is affected by this problem. >> >> Many of the buttons that allow you to view alternate information >> involving the ktorrent package are at the bottom of the page. I am >> talking about things like status, peers, etc. The window that >> provides all that information is longer than my computer screen, and in >> that package (Ktorrent), there is no way to scroll to get to what is at >> the bottom. When I am able to move a page around on the screen, I can >> only move the page until the cursor gets to the top of the screen, then >> I am stopped. Because the information continues below the bottom of the >> screen and because the scrolling option is not present, I can not scroll >> down to get to that information. >> > > Not a answer to your problem but perhaps a workaround. > If you holding the Alt key down and left click in a windows with the > mouse you can drag the windows so you can see the whole window. > > / Jonas > > Dear Jonas, Thanks a lot, that works and helps a lot. I am still going to keep the post up, to see if I can get a proper fix, nonetheless, this at least will make it so I can continue work. Cordially, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 17:36:10 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:10 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200809291703.31778.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291357.59971.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <200809291703.31778.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E2638A.3030601@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 2:43:24 pm Billie Walsh wrote: > >> What would you add/change? >> > > man xorg.conf | grep -5 virtual > > I don't recall the syntax off the top of my head and don't have it currently > set to check. > I read all the information when typing into terminal, but I am too inexperienced to know how to use that information. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 17:57:26 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:57:26 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 3:48:36 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> It *isn't* like not having a big enough screen, it is having too long a >> page *where the scrolling option is missing*. If I could scroll to read >> what is below the screen, I wouldn't consider it a problem. When I say >> screen, I mean the monitor's surface, when I say window I mean the page >> that you open on the screen. When that window exceeds the screen and >> their is no scrolling capability, you cannot get to the hidden >> information. >> > > I understood that from your initial post. > > What screen resolution are you running? > 1024 x 768 > When your mouse bumps up against the edge of the screen does it "scroll down"? > No > It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your > reply. > The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now. I haven't been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. *There was an instruction with warning as follows*: # edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) * I did not do this. Later I may have screwed up. It says as follows*: # if you have edited this file but wopuld like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg *I did this with the following result: *steven at steven-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfgure -phigh xserver-xorg [sudo] password for steven: ** xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-custpomised configuration file; backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.20080930134446 steven at steven-laptop:~$ *Have I damaged anything? Steven * From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 30 17:59:47 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:59:47 -0400 Subject: KOffice vs. OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48DFFC86.7000901@gmail.com> <200809291131.06824.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1942002.vR8cQBAorl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200809301359.47291.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 10:50:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 29 September 2008 8:12:53 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> What a joke!  OO takes _minutes_ to open most docs I get off the net. > > > > You are either downloading enormously complex docs, or your machine needs > > some > > tuning. I didn't even have that issue with a PIII. > > As I detailed elsewhere - a 93 byte .csv on my own system took 95 seconds > > > One thing that can really slow down OOo loading is too many extensions > > loading > > at once. You can actually install so many that it takes an hour for the > > app to start. I learned that the hard way. > > I haven't installed _any_. Does it take as long if OOo is running already? That is, is it a app loading or downloading issue? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 17:59:34 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:59:34 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <200809291708.43856.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <48E1352B.6020807@yahoo.it> <200809291708.43856.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E26906.5020207@sbcglobal.net> Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 4:06:03 pm Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> I've had the same issues sometime in the past, >> when the resolution was too low, e.g. around 640 x 480. This was back >> when I had Dapper installed, at some point I managed to get the >> resolution to 800x600 and that solved the problem in all programs I was >> using. Sorry I don't have any hint on how to fix that properly. >> > > The low resolution IS the problem. Solving it involves using a higher > resolution, if you do not have a visual impairment that prohibits that. If > you do have a visual impairment, consider using the virtual resolution > capability of xorg, as described in previous posts. > > Notice that what you are addressing was written by another person responding to the post. Ignazio Palmisano, not me. Steven From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 18:02:28 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:02:28 -0400 Subject: Links sent in emails do not work. In-Reply-To: <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> References: <48DEF646.1010209@sbcglobal.net> <48DEFEC1.5090202@swbell.net> <48DF26A6.8080107@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1222797748.8865.42.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 02:39 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: > I then right-clicked and created a new string box and copied this into > the box. > > and your browser again > > > I then added 'and your browser again' here. > > This didn't make sense; I suppose I should have known, so I re-did the > process first open the new string and copied > 'network.protocol-handler.app.https, clicked OK then typed 'firefox' > into the next open window. I repeated the process once more. Then I > closed everything and attempted to open links. The link for email > opened a pre-addressed email response window, so that worked, but when I > clicked on a browser address, nothing happened as before. Can you tell > me what I did wrong? Sorry for being so stupid. Thanks for the help. I "think" that you have to supply the directory as well ie: /usr/bin/firefox. Not completely sure, but I just had a tooth extracted and the codeine is kicking in! Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 18:05:46 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:05:46 -0400 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <48DD0B24.1010705@yahoo.it> <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <1222797946.8865.45.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 09:29 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Sunday 28 September 2008 12:52:05 am Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > > I've suspected for a long time it might be the beginning stages of carpal > > tunnel, but by being careful how I use my hands (including avoiding the > > rodent as much as possible) I can avoid that numbness. Over time, most > > of the symptoms faded. And since I've developed a strong distrust of the > > medical system, I've never asked a doctor to check it out. > > Best thing I have found for that is simply alfalfa tea! Even if one does not > like tea he'll soon like the effects! Besides the tea tastes good. I bought one of those sliding shelf brackets which I mounted under the top of my computer desk. Now my mouse and hand using it is lower, and it really helps. Using a mouse on top of a desk is a killer for the wrist and arm. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 30 18:24:46 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:24:46 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E26906.5020207@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291708.43856.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26906.5020207@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809301424.46543.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 1:59:34 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Monday 29 September 2008 4:06:03 pm Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >   > > > >> I've had the same issues sometime in the past, > >> when the resolution was too low, e.g. around 640 x 480. This was back > >> when I had Dapper installed, at some point I managed to get the > >> resolution to 800x600 and that solved the problem in all programs I was > >> using. Sorry I don't have any hint on how to fix that properly. > >>     > > > > The low resolution IS the problem.  Solving it involves using a higher > > resolution, if you do not have a visual impairment that prohibits that. > >  If you do have a visual impairment, consider using the virtual > > resolution capability of xorg, as described in previous posts. > > > >   > > Notice that what you are addressing was written by another person > responding to the post.  Ignazio Palmisano, not me. That's how these help and discussion lists are supposed to work. People respond to the original post and a multilateral discussion ensues. The idea is that many with similar problems will work out their common problems. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Tue Sep 30 18:39:54 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:39:54 +0100 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <48E121CC.6060702@swbell.net> <48E13114.4020102@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E2727A.3070704@yahoo.it> Steven Vollom wrote: [snip] >> It may be helpful if you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your >> reply. >> > The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now. I haven't > been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. You don't need to print the screen, just attaching the file will be enough > > *There was an instruction with warning as follows*: # edit this file > with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. > # (type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) * I did not do this. > > Later I may have screwed up. It says as follows*: > # if you have edited this file but wopuld like it to be automatically > updated > # again, run the following command: > # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg *I did this with the > following result: > > *steven at steven-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfgure -phigh xserver-xorg > [sudo] password for steven: ** > xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-custpomised > configuration > file; backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.20080930134446 > steven at steven-laptop:~$ *Have I damaged anything? > > Steven > * Unlikely. I. From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Sep 30 18:28:13 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:28:13 -0400 Subject: When Maximized, data goes beyong edge of screen. In-Reply-To: <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> References: <48E108BA.1010505@sbcglobal.net> <200809291706.19436.art.alexion@verizon.net> <48E26886.1010204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200809301428.13610.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 1:57:26 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > The problem is on my laptop and I am on my desktop right now.  I haven't > been able to get the print screen key to function yet on the laptop. Shouldn't be necessary. Either open the file in kate (advanced text editor, in the menu) and copy and paste it, or type cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a terminal and copy it from there. > > *There was an instruction with warning as follows*: # edit this file > with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. > # (type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) * I did not do this. > > Later I may have screwed up.  It says as follows*: > # if you have edited this file but wopuld like it to be automatically > updated > # again, run the following command: > # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg  *I did this with the > following result: >     > *steven at steven-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfgure -phigh xserver-xorg > [sudo] password for steven: ** > xserver-xorg postinst warning:  overwriting possibly-custpomised > configuration >    file; backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.20080930134446 > steven at steven-laptop:~$  *Have I damaged anything? Unlikely. How does it work now? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:30:31 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0809271149m3b4d443bwcce8c5b009d59bee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <368761.47091.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you John, you've got my point. I want to know where I should look for to fix my problems. I have used absolutely the same kde version under debian, so I think I don't have to warry about migration. it is kde 3.5.9. So the question is where are these settings hidden. For example why krandrtray does not expand my desktop automatically. With a new user, as I wrote before, it is expanding automatically to highest possible size. On the other hand when I keep my kde settings I have all my programs and taskbar etc as I had the mbefore. this is great. The issue with the xrandr and krandrtray is acute for me and perhaps many using the intell 945 graphic chipset. I can not that easy configure the X server particularly the graphic driver to use two monitors, as it seems to be pretty cheap hardware, so I tried to configure with the monitor tool and it did over write my xorg.conf, so I have to find out where these setting is kept. IF you can help it would be great. diff -r on a new user is also not an option, because I have too much in my .kde that diffs. thanks and regards --- On Sat, 9/27/08, John DeCarlo wrote: > From: John DeCarlo > Subject: Re: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions > To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 8:49 PM > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Emanoil Kotsev > wrote: > > > > You've upgraded from > > > Debian, which is likely to result in a fair > number of > > > problems. > > > > False asumption - I did install clean kubuntu. I just > said that I'm > > switching to kubuntu from debian - keeping my > home-data and stuff - but I > > _did_ clean install > > > > You do have to be careful keep your home from one system to > another. > > Folders like your ".kde" folder might have very > different settings than > needed for your current system. > > Try all this with a new user, to see if there is something > in your own home > folder messing things up. > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From deloptes at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:46:24 2008 From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions In-Reply-To: <4565399.DS1gjYXzUR@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <864331.63164.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Derek, thank you for all the information. I think the Monitor->Setting thing is not perfect and is not working for me. May be I'm doing something wrong, which I doubt. That's why I'm writing here. --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > From: Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: switching to kubunto first impressions and few questions > >> Incorrectly written DSDT in the BIOS. Sorry, I > don't > >> recall the fix but > >> it's an ACPI parameter in the grub boot > settings. > > > > What is to be done? Which paramter? > > For heaven's sake - google! Why should _we_ have to be > able to dredge it > up - it's common and well known. If you don't want to answer the question, then don't ;-) I still have the right to put it. If you have time to read this mail may be it's not that hard to write the answer. > > >> > >> > 4) dual monitor layout > >> > Appart the fact that intel 945 has a stupid > 3d > >> limitation of screen size > >> > and when using two monitors there is no 3d > >> acceleration I observed > >> > following. > >> > >> Cheap hardware gives cheap results. I can live > with those > >> limitations. I > >> don't even know if the Intel graphics can do > that in > >> Vista, but certainly > >> not in X. > > > > Well, where is this magic kde setting written, so that > new user gets > > monitors automatically configured and old users do > not? > > That's got nothing to do with the above. Intel > can't do 3D on dual > monitors in X for new or old users. So it's not working in Windows OS too? I've not used windows since years. mainly command line and I think that's why I am asking about the visual stuff here. :-) nice to meet you! > > > >> > >> > Who is responsible to extend the > functionallity of the > >> krandrtray, so a > >> > user can say use two desktops - I'm > really missing > >> it. Also a feature for > >> > screen A left/right of screen B would be > fine. Screen > >> here is monitor of > >> > course. > >> > >> I have that with my laptop and a 945 graphics > card. System > >> Settings - > >> Monitor and Display. > > > > How do you proceed there? I'm command line user > and do it with xrandr as I > > said, what I'm looking for is a setting to make it > permanentloy working. > > How can you be complaining about lack of functionality in > KDE, and then > complaining that I tell you how to make the settings in > KDE? While I > usually give command line solutions for things that can be > done Did I complain? I just want to do this setting and don't know how. And believe me. I've tried a lot before I started writing here. > appropriately at the command line, just because they're > so much easier to > demonstrate completely in a text medium, this is a KDE > issue, so use the > KDE System Settings. But how? this is my quesiton :-D sorry but you make me lough. I know that I have to use the kde system settings. After this dual display _is_not_ working. I hope my english is good enough to explain it. So may be tell me what and how I have to setup ot point me to a good manual, where I can read about. The things I found are not working. I wrote this here in the hope that kubuntu, as kde based and especially desktop oriented would be interested in this subject. Sorry if I insulted you somehow. It was not ment this way and most of all I do not complain. I share my experience and hope to learn from all of it. kind regards From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Sep 30 21:05:33 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:05:33 +0200 Subject: how can I change Krusader's font size in KDE??? In-Reply-To: <33770.4829209999$1222375911@news.gmane.org> References: <33770.4829209999$1222375911@news.gmane.org> Message-ID: Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > I recently discovered the Krusader file manager, It's the first time > I've ever encountered a gui file manager that I could stand for more > than a few minutes. (I usually use mc in a konsole) I think I like it. While Krusader is great, indeed, imho, emelfm and emelfm2 are also very good GUI replacements for the "mc side of life". While the former is slighly more lightweight, the latter is much easier to configure, especially in regard to the panel font size. Admittedly both are based on Gtk. Nevertheless I use them on KDE all the time for the "very quick filemanager" view, when in GUI mood. Kind regards Eberhard From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Sep 30 21:17:28 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:17:28 +0200 Subject: Printing problem In-Reply-To: <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> References: <48DEAEFF.6060405@palain.com> <200809282000.56312.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E153BA.3050104@palain.com> <200809291838.12431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48E18429.8000301@palain.com> Message-ID: Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Monday 29 September 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: >> >>>> Network Printer (socket) >>>> URI: socket://192.168.1.107:9100 >>>> >>>> >>> That is *exactly* what I see there. >>> >> All I can add is that print servers (and some printers) can be very fussy >> beasts and sometimes it is required to turn everything off (to reset) and try >> again. If someone in the stream gets upset, nothing is going to print > Well, I tried power-cycling the print server and rebooting the computer, > but that did not change anything. I guess this is going to be difficult. > Not necessarily so. I would like to reiterate: What exactly is the make and type of your printserver? Or are you printing to an etherprot that is integrated into your printer? Afaik the 1020 is a cheap usb printer that does not have a network connection. If I missed it, please forgive my ignorance. You also should try to connect the printer directly via usb, just for testing. Doing this will rule out any problem that possibly is caused by your printserver Kind regards Eberhard From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Sep 30 22:30:11 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:30:11 -0700 Subject: OT: rodent usage In-Reply-To: <1222797946.8865.45.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <200809280929.32007.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <1222797946.8865.45.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200809301530.11687.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 11:05:46 am Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 09:29 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > > On Sunday 28 September 2008 12:52:05 am Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > I've suspected for a long time it might be the beginning stages of > > > carpal tunnel, but by being careful how I use my hands (including > > > avoiding the rodent as much as possible) I can avoid that numbness. > > > Over time, most of the symptoms faded. And since I've developed a > > > strong distrust of the medical system, I've never asked a doctor to > > > check it out. > > > > Best thing I have found for that is simply alfalfa tea! Even if one does > > not like tea he'll soon like the effects! Besides the tea tastes good. > > I bought one of those sliding shelf brackets which I mounted under the > top of my computer desk. Now my mouse and hand using it is lower, and it > really helps. Using a mouse on top of a desk is a killer for the wrist > and arm. I have one of those as well! Actually my office is the most comfortable place to sit in the house as everything is set to perfectly fit me! Which is good as at times I spend 18 hours straight, right there! Carpal tunnel can be relieved by having keyboards, chairs, armrests, and even the monitor set to ergonomic height, thereby relieving a lot of strain. However, both my wife and I avoided surgery for severe carpel tunnel, neither of us could hold a cup of coffee in one hand, by use of alfalfa tea. Doctors ask us both how we cured that problem without the surgery they thought was so necessary! They are amazed at the difference. She works in an office as typist among other things and she was suffering badly each day she worked on a keyboard, now there is no problem. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr